Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-na
August 27, 2014 - October 16, 2014
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| From: | Mike <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Angle of attack indicators...Angle of attack indicators...Angle |
of attack indicators...
Denny=2C
I have seen this AOA indicator. I don't think he had it for sale back w
hen I was investigating it. This isthe one I referred to that uses the Hal
l Effect circuit. VERY good price!! For $60=2C if you wanted a decent AO
A=2C this is an excellent way to go.
Mike Welch
Date: Wed=2C 27 Aug 2014 08:17:13 -0500
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Angle of attack indicators...Angle of attack indic
ators...Angle of attack indicators...
From: baberdk(at)gmail.com
Here is an AOA for $60.
http://www.barkeraircraft.com/AOA_kit.htmlSincerely=2C
Denny Baber
baberdk(at)gmail.com
=0A
309-796-2476
The pessimist complains about the wind=3B the optimist expects it to change
=3B the realist adjusts the sails
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 80 or 100 hp? |
Kolbers:
Essentially, the 100 hp will climb faster than the 80hp, especially at high
altitudes. Had a good chance to compare performance between my airplane,
100 hp, and a MKIII, 80 hp, during a flight from Price, Utah, to Wendover,
UT. During the climb to aprx 12,000 feet ASL, the 80hp could not keep up.
Top speed and cruise speed remain about the same for the 65, 80, and 100 hp
engines on my mkIII. Seems to hit a wall about 85 mph.
Actually, on a mkIII, the more power applied on takeoff, after a certain
point, the longer it takes to get off the ground. I believe this is caused
by the configuration of our engines in the high pusher configuration. I
experienced this the first time I tried to takeoff after swapping from 80 to
100 hp engines. Came as a complete surprise. Now, after many takeoffs, I
am not aware of the difference, if there is any anymore.
There are a lot of great advantages of both engines. Don't have time to go
into them now.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
My MkIIIC has the 80hp and I haven't flown the 100hp or flown with one but
the previous owner has. He reports that he notices a pretty good difference
at altitude. Performance from high fields is better. I would imagine that
the 100hp is or can be faster too but as we all know the returns on adding
hp to a draggy form diminish rapidly.
Thanks,
Allan
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Personally, I doubt there is any advantage in additional stall warning on a
Kolb aircraft other than the airspeed indicator. Monitoring the Kolb List
indicates most folks that inadvertently stall their Kolb had no idea how
fast they were flying THROUGH THE AIR at the time of their inadvertent
stall.
Make it a practice to hold at least 10 mph above stall speed when flying low
and making approaches and landings. If the air is lumpy, add a little more
airspeed (forget about ground speed). Check the stall speed any time the
weight and configuration of the Kolb changes, i.e., fuel, cargo, passenger.
Know that to prevent accelerated stalls, carry a little more airspeed. Very
seldom, back in the old days at Lakeland and Oshkosh, while demonstrating
the MKIII could I get it into an accelerated stall. At low altitudes if you
let the Kolb stall, you probably will not have enough altitude to recover,
depending on how low you are. The low level stall comes as a complete
surprise and you are on the ground before you figure out what you did wrong
and decide to attempt to correct it. Most folks pull the stick back while
aggravates the situation.
Before you load your airplane up with a lot of extra instrumentation, really
learn to fly the Kolb, especially with the ASI. Get out there and wring it
out. Gets used to how it flies.
If you don't change the attitude of the aircraft, probably will not change
airspeed unknowingly. If you get into the habit of making a good cross
check of airspeed, you may not inadvertently stall your Kolb.
In 2009, on takeoff from Grants, NM, field elevation 6,460 feet, D/A
probably out of sight (I failed to check D/A prior to takeoff), direct cross
wind 15 gusting to 30 mph, visible and invisible dust devils in close
proximity to runway, I stalled my fully loaded mkIII. I had no idea what my
airspeed was. Unconsciously, made a takeoff like I would normally at home
at 400 feet ASL. I broke one of my cardinal rules, did not know what my
airspeed was, busted my butt, but did not do any more than bend my steel
gear a little. The mkIII quit flying about 30 feet, the wind blew me to the
left, just off the tarmac, smacking the sandy desert, which may have saved
the mkIII from more serious damage. Two mkIII's took off before me, had a
lot of trouble overcoming the undesirable conditions, but I did not realize
their problem until we landed at Gallup, NM. I remember waiting a little
longer to take off to insure I did not get into their wake turbulence.
Don't know if I did or did not. All three of us were into our second day at
fields with elevations of more than 5,000 feet. Muscle memory took over.
Remember, at the beginning of this post I said "personally". That means
what I said above, is my own personal opinion and experience after building,
breaking, and flying Kolb aircraft for more than 30 years.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 9:23 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: AOA-parts, etc
Russ, others interested,
For those interested in the subject;
I'd like to mention there is a subtle difference between AOA and lift
reserve indicator, although they perform essentially the same basic
function, which is point out a pending stall.
An AOA is predicated upon a specific angle that a person has found that
would create a stall situation on a given wing shape. Let's say 15 degrees.
Then, when flying along, no matter what the airspeed is, when THAT
particular wing is tilted such that the angle of attack is 15 degrees, it
will stall. This angle is not variable. Whether the plane is lightly
loaded, or not, or flying fast or not, THAT angle, when crossed will stall
the wing.
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| From: | "woody" <n3022.176(at)gmail.com> |
The pumps are connected in series so when the Facet failed, the vacuum pump stopped
pumping as well. When I took it apart, the check valve was stuck tight enough
that I had to use needle nose pliers to pull it out of the factory bevel
in the housing.
I still haven't had the plane running. After I fixed the fuel pump, the battery
died on me. It turned over 3 turns & croaked. The new battery is in the plane
but I forgot to take a 7mm wrench to tighten the leads to the battery.
Maybe tomorrow..................
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429492#429492
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Hi,
My ex flying partner still flies a Eurostar, the same type we shared but
not the same machine. He is a good pilot and meticulous about
maintenance. I forwarded our recent posts about pumps to him and this
is his reply.
For what its worth.
On another tack John flew me to a local airshow last weekend where we
had a flyover of the only two Lancasters still flying.The Canadian one
is over her for a month. A once in a lifetime experience
Cheers
Pat
Pat,
Don't know whether you are inclined to forward this to your Kolb list?
As you may know, mine - a 4 year old example - was one of the series of
Rotax 912s recommended for a change of fuel pump. Apparently, several
of the previous type had failed in service. A replacement was provided
free by the then UK Rotax agent and it certainly looked a
better-engineered piece of work than its predecessor. That said, the
previous one had given me no trouble over 4 years and 300 hours. Nor
had the one on a previous Rotax-powered aircraft I had owned over 6
years and 650 hours.
Experience with the new pump belied appearance. I try to stay safe by
being attentive to anything about the aircraft which changes - sight,
sound or feel - and investigating. The new fuel pump showed big and
seemingly random variations in pressure, between 0.2 and 0.4 bar. (The
previous pump had given virtually constant readings under all
conditions.) It therefore didn't feel "safe".
Matters came to a head when flying over one of the more inhospitable
areas of the UK, when the pressure dropped off from its "norm" at just
over 0.3 bar to 0.2 bar before recovering several sweaty minutes later.
I raised this with the Rotax agent and with our Light Aircraft
Association. The answer was that nothing could be done about it. The
new pumps did give variations in pressure and my results were within the
specified range. I subsequently borrowed a new-type pump from elsewhere
and this gave better results, although still subject to some variation.
I have since returned that to its rightful owners and purchased a
further new pump. This also gives better results, but still subject to
some variation. I may be deluding myself but I think the variability
may be diminishing with time. It appears, from talking to others, that
the new type fuel pump is just not engineered to very tight tolerances:
strange given the strong engineering tradition of where in Europe I
assume it comes from.
Not being an engineer or an expert, I cannot advise on what your
colleague Dennis Kirby should do! I just add my tale to the request for
thoughts.
Regards,
John
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
Hi,
My Warp Drive prop (3 blade- 60") arrived yesterday and I am getting ready
to set it up. It is going on my Firefly with a Rotax 447 (single
carb),B-Gearbox with 2.58 ratio.
Is anyone running this same setup?
What amount of pitch do you think I should start with?
Do I shoot for 6500 or 6800 RPM static?
Just waiting for muffler mount and engine instruments so I can do the final
assembly.
Getting anxious!
Thanks in advance,
Stuart
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
If I was flying it, I would prop it to bump 6,500 rpm, wide open throttle,
straight and level flight. Without looking for the book, I think the 447 is
rated at 6,500 rpm max continuous. 6,800 rpm is like military power, can
only be run at that speed for 5 minutes max. If you had an in flight
adjustable prop you could pitch to turn 6,800 rpm, but a ground adjustable
prop works best propped as described above.
I don't know what static rpm would be, probably 6,300. Been too many years
since I had a 447 on my FS.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Harner
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 3:41 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: pitch?
Hi,
My Warp Drive prop (3 blade- 60") arrived yesterday and I am getting ready
to set it up. It is going on my Firefly with a Rotax 447 (single
carb),B-Gearbox with 2.58 ratio.
Is anyone running this same setup?
What amount of pitch do you think I should start with?
Do I shoot for 6500 or 6800 RPM static?
Just waiting for muffler mount and engine instruments so I can do the final
assembly.
Getting anxious!
Thanks in advance,
Stuart
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| From: | "Beauford " <beauford173(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
Brother Harner:
Cannot speak directly to the Warp. Mine has a 66 inch IVO. But load is load.
That said, I would suspect that anything over
6100 or 6150 static might be a tad skinny on loading. When I set 6150
static WOT, I get easy 6600 in level flight WOT.
Personally fer me, that is about enough. 6800 static would be like an
argument with my first wife. makes my few remaining teeth hurt.
(how mad are you at your bearings.?)
Worth What Ye Paid Fer It.
beauford
FF-076
Brandon, FL
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Harner
Subject: Kolb-List: pitch?
What amount of pitch do you think I should start with?
Do I shoot for 6500 or 6800 RPM static?
Stuart
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| From: | "t41pilot" <t41pilot(at)frontier.com> |
I'm running a 447 on my firefly with a 60 inch IVO prop. 6500 WOT is by the book
and typically 200 RPM less static on the ground would yield whatever WOT setting
you are looking for. That being said, I have found from a lot of reading
on the subject that not all 447's are going to run identically. You should dial
in your prop to whatever setting makes your CHT and EGT fall within the normal
operating range during flight conditions.
On my particular engine that ended up being 6000 static and 6300 WOT. It took a
few flights to get that figured out. Definitely 6800 WOT is too much. I would
start at 61 or 62 static and see how she goes. Add more pitch if the EGT is too
high. Fiddling with carb jets to get the temps right can lead to a vicious
circle of prop pitch changes and wrong conclusions. I did end up with my clip
set rich and one size larger on my main jet but in most cases the stock size
jets should work.
--------
Gregg Kaat
2011 Firefly
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
What John & the others said. Let me add a few remarks from my own experience: leave
the jets alone and fine tune the EGT with prop pitch. When the pitch is ideal,
your EGT's will stay roughly between 1050 & 1150 at any typical in-flight
throttle setting except WOT, where they will be 1000-1050. As the EGT rises
and falls from summer to winter, once again, leave the jets alone and add or remove
pitch.
I marked this on my Ivo hub abut 3 years ago, so the arrows are a bit faded, but
coarse is one way, fine is the other. Takes less than 2 minutes, usually a half
a turn is enough.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
If I remember correctly, ROTAX sets up their two strokes, before they leave
the factory, for operation from sea level to 3000 feet on a 70F day. It has
the correct heat range spark plugs and is jetted correctly. It will run
perfect right out of the box.
It is up to the operator to load the prop correctly. Do it by pitch
adjustment and leave the engine alone.
My experience with two stroke aircraft engines, which are continuous duty
engines, is WOT, straight and level flight, just bump the red line, 6500
rpm. I discovered if I set up the engine this way, my EGTs would be right
in the green. Loading and unloading the prop by changing pitch attitude
also affects EGTs, but temporarily. EGTs can be controlled with throttle
settings.
This info is nothing new. We have been doing it this way since 1984, and
others long before me.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
What John & the others said. Let me add a few remarks from my own
experience: leave the jets alone and fine tune the EGT with prop pitch. When
the pitch is ideal, your EGT's will stay roughly between 1050 & 1150 at any
typical in-flight throttle setting except WOT, where they will be 1000-1050.
As the EGT rises and falls from summer to winter, once again, leave the jets
alone and add or remove pitch.
I marked this on my Ivo hub abut 3 years ago, so the arrows are a bit faded,
but coarse is one way, fine is the other. Takes less than 2 minutes, usually
a half a turn is enough.
--------
Richard Pike
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| From: | Frank Goodnight <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
Kolbers
Just starting to get used to my mk3 classic. I have a question for those of you
with
experience in mk3s. I fly from the right seat, after a bit of fooling around with
the flaps and wing incedence i have got the
plane so it flys pretty much straight and level, handsoff. I find the ailerons
to be very heavy
and slow to react, much more so than my Firestar. If I enter a decending left turn
at about
75 mph ---nothing radical just a normal turn to left base ,close pattern---to roll
level takes about
3 seconds and enough right stick and rudder pressure that I'm almost afraid something
will
break I' m tempted to use both hands on the stick. Doesn't seem to matter much
what power
setting is used. If the initial turn is to the right there seems not to be a problem
to roll left
to level. From level flight the problem is much less pronounced, although it is
somewhat
easier to turn left than to turn right.Any thoughts and comments would be much
appreciated.
I don't think it's dangerous , but not sure
Frank Goodnight
Fayetteville ,AR
912 uls
Sent from my iPad
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| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
What kind of fooling around with the flaps and incidence did you do?
If you have trimmed the plane by putting the wings and control surfaces out
of proper alignment instead of installing a trim tab that may be adding to
the condition???
As for the heavy stick,, mine was a bit heavy as well, I drilled holes
about 1 inch in on the control linkage just above the boom tube, this
gives a bit more mechanical advantage
Do you have a912? If so you should need Bit of right rudder,,,a trim there
will reduce the pilot work load
Boyd Young
On Aug 29, 2014 6:58 AM, "Frank Goodnight" wrote:
>
> Kolbers
> Just starting to get used to my mk3 classic. I have a question for those
> of you with
> experience in mk3s. I fly from the right seat, after a bit of fooling
> around with the flaps and wing incedence i have got the
> plane so it flys pretty much straight and level, handsoff. I find the
> ailerons to be very heavy
> and slow to react, much more so than my Firestar. If I enter a decending
> left turn at about
> 75 mph ---nothing radical just a normal turn to left base ,close
> pattern---to roll level takes about
> 3 seconds and enough right stick and rudder pressure that I'm almost
> afraid something will
> break I' m tempted to use both hands on the stick. Doesn't seem to matter
> much what power
> setting is used. If the initial turn is to the right there seems not to be
> a problem to roll left
> to level. From level flight the problem is much less pronounced, although
> it is somewhat
> easier to turn left than to turn right.Any thoughts and comments would be
> much appreciated.
> I don't think it's dangerous , but not sure
> Frank Goodnight
> Fayetteville ,AR
> 912 uls
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
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| From: | Colin Hudson <colin.scott.hudson(at)gmail.com> |
Frank when I switched to dual controls on my M3Xtra I had the same problem, too
much slack and not enough leverage. I hated it. Switched back to single control
and the problem went away. You didn't say what type of controls you have,
but that may be it. By the way, anybody that would like a set of dual controls,
I'll sell them cheap.
Scott Hudson
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 29, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Frank Goodnight wrote:
>
>
> Kolbers
> Just starting to get used to my mk3 classic. I have a question for those of you
with
> experience in mk3s. I fly from the right seat, after a bit of fooling around
with the flaps and wing incedence i have got the
> plane so it flys pretty much straight and level, handsoff. I find the ailerons
to be very heavy
> and slow to react, much more so than my Firestar. If I enter a decending left
turn at about
> 75 mph ---nothing radical just a normal turn to left base ,close pattern---to
roll level takes about
> 3 seconds and enough right stick and rudder pressure that I'm almost afraid something
will
> break I' m tempted to use both hands on the stick. Doesn't seem to matter much
what power
> setting is used. If the initial turn is to the right there seems not to be a
problem to roll left
> to level. From level flight the problem is much less pronounced, although it
is somewhat
> easier to turn left than to turn right.Any thoughts and comments would be much
appreciated.
> I don't think it's dangerous , but not sure
> Frank Goodnight
> Fayetteville ,AR
> 912 uls
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Frank Goodnight <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
Hi Boyd,
Thanks for your reply.
When I bought the plane from Bruce he was flying it from the left seat and I
suppose
had it trimmed to suit him. I switched to the right seat so the throttle is o
n my left , been
on the left in every plane I've ever owned. I almost tore the trim lever out
of the MK3
the first timeI landed it from the left seat trying to get to idle rpm. When
I switched to the right seat
The right wing was extremely heavy. I called kolb and talked to Travis and t
o Bryan, Bryan
Suggested two things. He explained that because of the way the flaps are att
ached to the
torque tube for the ailerons they can be used as huge aileron trim tabs and s
hould be adjusted
the same way as if you were adjusting a Alieron trim tab , I did that and it
helped to raise the
right wing. Travis had told me that in order to sell Kolbs in England there h
as to be a way to
Adjust the incidence of the wings. In order to comply Kolb sells an extra wi
de 1/2 of the u joint
that attaches the trailing edge of the wing to the fuselage. The adjustment i
s made by stacking
4 washers above or below the attach point. Bryan suggested that if I needed m
ore adjustment
than I could get with the flaps I should try that , I lowered the angle of a
ttack of the left wing
By 4 washers--don't know many degrees--it worked , the plane flys straight a
nd level hands
off and the yaw string is right down the middle at cruise. So tail trim tab i
s OK. I do have a
912 ULS 100HP The only problem is the one I mentioned in the earlier post.I w
ould like to
hear from any and all kolb pilots.
Frank G
Fayetteville ,AR
PS Boyd I changed the hole position on the Firestar , it helped. Will look i
nto doing it to the
MK3 tomorrow, thanks
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 29, 2014, at 8:29 AM, B Young wrote:
> What kind of fooling around with the flaps and incidence did you do?
> If you have trimmed the plane by putting the wings and control surfaces ou
t of proper alignment instead of installing a trim tab that may be adding to
the condition???
> As for the heavy stick,, mine was a bit heavy as well, I drilled holes abo
ut 1 inch in on the control linkage just above the boom tube, this gives a b
it more mechanical advantage
> Do you have a912? If so you should need Bit of right rudder,,,a trim there
will reduce the pilot work load
> Boyd Young
>
> On Aug 29, 2014 6:58 AM, "Frank Goodnight" wrote
:
>
>>
>> Kolbers
>> Just starting to get used to my mk3 classic. I have a question for those o
f you with
>> experience in mk3s. I fly from the right seat, after a bit of fooling aro
und with the flaps and wing incedence i have got the
>> plane so it flys pretty much straight and level, handsoff. I find the ail
erons to be very heavy
>> and slow to react, much more so than my Firestar. If I enter a decending l
eft turn at about
>> 75 mph ---nothing radical just a normal turn to left base ,close pattern-
--to roll level takes about
>> 3 seconds and enough right stick and rudder pressure that I'm almost afra
id something will
>> break I' m tempted to use both hands on the stick. Doesn't seem to matter
much what power
>> setting is used. If the initial turn is to the right there seems not to b
e a problem to roll left
>> to level. =46rom level flight the problem is much less pronounced, althou
gh it is somewhat
>> easier to turn left than to turn right.Any thoughts and comments would be
much appreciated.
>> I don't think it's dangerous , but not sure
>> Frank Goodnight
>> Fayetteville ,AR
>> 912 uls
>> Sent from my iPad
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Stuart, As long as you're in the ballpark it will be okay. If, after first
setting, you find the engine is winding out and EGT is running hot, put in
more pitch. On the other hand if it's a bit boggy, doesn't rev up and the
CHT's are running hot, take a little pitch out. Somewhere around John's or
Beauford's recommendation should be the Goldilocks setting.
Good luck and have fun.
Rick Girard
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Beauford
wrote:
> Brother Harner:
>
>
> Cannot speak directly to the Warp Mine has a 66 inch IVO
But load is
> load. That said, I would suspect that anything over
>
> 6100 or 6150 static might be a tad skinny on loading. When I set 6150
> static WOT, I get easy 6600 in level flight WOT.
>
> Personally fer me, that is about enough. 6800 static would be like an
> argument with my first wife makes my few remaining teeth hurt.
>
> (how mad are you at your bearings?)
>
>
> Worth What Ye Paid Fer It
>
>
> beauford
>
> FF-076
>
> Brandon, FL
>
>
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> owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Stuart Harner
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: pitch?
>
>
> What amount of pitch do you think I should start with?
>
>
> Do I shoot for 6500 or 6800 RPM static?
>
>
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| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
When I first flew my plane it had the same till you describe,, and had to
hold a lot of left stick,,, but when you looked at the trailing edges of
ailerons and flaps it all lined up perfect.... I did all the changes you
have done,, it flew hands off,, but the trailing edges were out of
line....bad....I undid my fixes and put on a trim tab...note it flies hand
off and the trailing edges line up again...
Maybe you should add linkage and add a,, second,, left hand throttle
Boyd Young
On Aug 29, 2014 12:29 PM, "Frank Goodnight" wrote:
> Hi Boyd,
> Thanks for your reply.
> When I bought the plane from Bruce he was flying it from the left seat and
> I suppose
> had it trimmed to suit him. I switched to the right seat so the throttle
> is on my left , been
> on the left in every plane I've ever owned. I almost tore the trim lever
> out of the MK3
> the first timeI landed it from the left seat trying to get to idle rpm.
> When I switched to the right seat
> The right wing was extremely heavy. I called kolb and talked to Travis and
> to Bryan, Bryan
> Suggested two things. He explained that because of the way the flaps are
> attached to the
> torque tube for the ailerons they can be used as huge aileron trim tabs
> and should be adjusted
> the same way as if you were adjusting a Alieron trim tab , I did that and
> it helped to raise the
> right wing. Travis had told me that in order to sell Kolbs in England
> there has to be a way to
> Adjust the incidence of the wings. In order to comply Kolb sells an extra
> wide 1/2 of the u joint
> that attaches the trailing edge of the wing to the fuselage. The
> adjustment is made by stacking
> 4 washers above or below the attach point. Bryan suggested that if I
> needed more adjustment
> than I could get with the flaps I should try that , I lowered the angle of
> attack of the left wing
> By 4 washers--don't know many degrees--it worked , the plane flys straight
> and level hands
> off and the yaw string is right down the middle at cruise. So tail trim
> tab is OK. I do have a
> 912 ULS 100HP The only problem is the one I mentioned in the earlier
> post.I would like to
> hear from any and all kolb pilots.
> Frank G
> Fayetteville ,AR
> PS Boyd I changed the hole position on the Firestar , it helped. Will look
> into doing it to the
> MK3 tomorrow, thanks
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 29, 2014, at 8:29 AM, B Young wrote:
>
> What kind of fooling around with the flaps and incidence did you do?
> If you have trimmed the plane by putting the wings and control surfaces
> out of proper alignment instead of installing a trim tab that may be adding
> to the condition???
> As for the heavy stick,, mine was a bit heavy as well, I drilled holes
> about 1 inch in on the control linkage just above the boom tube, this
> gives a bit more mechanical advantage
> Do you have a912? If so you should need Bit of right rudder,,,a trim there
> will reduce the pilot work load
> Boyd Young
> On Aug 29, 2014 6:58 AM, "Frank Goodnight"
> wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>> Kolbers
>> Just starting to get used to my mk3 classic. I have a question for those
>> of you with
>> experience in mk3s. I fly from the right seat, after a bit of fooling
>> around with the flaps and wing incedence i have got the
>> plane so it flys pretty much straight and level, handsoff. I find the
>> ailerons to be very heavy
>> and slow to react, much more so than my Firestar. If I enter a decending
>> left turn at about
>> 75 mph ---nothing radical just a normal turn to left base ,close
>> pattern---to roll level takes about
>> 3 seconds and enough right stick and rudder pressure that I'm almost
>> afraid something will
>> break I' m tempted to use both hands on the stick. Doesn't seem to matter
>> much what power
>> setting is used. If the initial turn is to the right there seems not to
>> be a problem to roll left
>> to level. From level flight the problem is much less pronounced, although
>> it is somewhat
>> easier to turn left than to turn right.Any thoughts and comments would be
>> much appreciated.
>> I don't think it's dangerous , but not sure
>> Frank Goodnight
>> Fayetteville ,AR
>> 912 uls
>> Sent from my iPad
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| From: | Frank <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
Thanks for your response. Will keep
Your fix in mind and try it in the next
Couple of weeks. Will let you know
If it works on my plane.
Frank
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 29, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Frank Goodnight wrote
:
> Hi Boyd,
> Thanks for your reply.
> When I bought the plane from Bruce he was flying it from the left seat and
I suppose
> had it trimmed to suit him. I switched to the right seat so the throttle i
s on my left , been
> on the left in every plane I've ever owned. I almost tore the trim lever o
ut of the MK3
> the first timeI landed it from the left seat trying to get to idle rpm. Wh
en I switched to the right seat
> The right wing was extremely heavy. I called kolb and talked to Travis and
to Bryan, Bryan
> Suggested two things. He explained that because of the way the flaps are a
ttached to the
> torque tube for the ailerons they can be used as huge aileron trim tabs an
d should be adjusted
> the same way as if you were adjusting a Alieron trim tab , I did that and i
t helped to raise the
> right wing. Travis had told me that in order to sell Kolbs in England ther
e has to be a way to
> Adjust the incidence of the wings. In order to comply Kolb sells an extra w
ide 1/2 of the u joint
> that attaches the trailing edge of the wing to the fuselage. The adjustmen
t is made by stacking
> 4 washers above or below the attach point. Bryan suggested that if I neede
d more adjustment
> than I could get with the flaps I should try that , I lowered the angle of
attack of the left wing
> By 4 washers--don't know many degrees--it worked , the plane flys straight
and level hands
> off and the yaw string is right down the middle at cruise. So tail trim ta
b is OK. I do have a
> 912 ULS 100HP The only problem is the one I mentioned in the earlier post.
I would like to
> hear from any and all kolb pilots.
> Frank G
> Fayetteville ,AR
> PS Boyd I changed the hole position on the Firestar , it helped. Will look
into doing it to the
> MK3 tomorrow, thanks
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 29, 2014, at 8:29 AM, B Young wrote:
>
>> What kind of fooling around with the flaps and incidence did you do?
>> If you have trimmed the plane by putting the wings and control surfaces o
ut of proper alignment instead of installing a trim tab that may be adding t
o the condition???
>> As for the heavy stick,, mine was a bit heavy as well, I drilled holes ab
out 1 inch in on the control linkage just above the boom tube, this gives a
bit more mechanical advantage
>> Do you have a912? If so you should need Bit of right rudder,,,a trim ther
e will reduce the pilot work load
>> Boyd Young
>>
>> On Aug 29, 2014 6:58 AM, "Frank Goodnight" wrot
e:
t>
>>>
>>> Kolbers
>>> Just starting to get used to my mk3 classic. I have a question for those
of you with
>>> experience in mk3s. I fly from the right seat, after a bit of fooling ar
ound with the flaps and wing incedence i have got the
>>> plane so it flys pretty much straight and level, handsoff. I find the ai
lerons to be very heavy
>>> and slow to react, much more so than my Firestar. If I enter a decending
left turn at about
>>> 75 mph ---nothing radical just a normal turn to left base ,close pattern
---to roll level takes about
>>> 3 seconds and enough right stick and rudder pressure that I'm almost afr
aid something will
>>> break I' m tempted to use both hands on the stick. Doesn't seem to matte
r much what power
>>> setting is used. If the initial turn is to the right there seems not to b
e a problem to roll left
>>> to level. =46rom level flight the problem is much less pronounced, altho
ugh it is somewhat
>>> easier to turn left than to turn right.Any thoughts and comments would b
e much appreciated.
>>> I don't think it's dangerous , but not sure
>>> Frank Goodnight
>>> Fayetteville ,AR
>>> 912 uls
>>> Sent from my iPad
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
Thanks everyone for the replies.
Any idea where I should start, maybe 10=C2=B0?
Stuart
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Girard
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pitch?
Stuart, As long as you're in the ballpark it will be okay. If, after
first setting, you find the engine is winding out and EGT is running
hot, put in more pitch. On the other hand if it's a bit boggy, doesn't
rev up and the CHT's are running hot, take a little pitch out. Somewhere
around John's or Beauford's recommendation should be the Goldilocks
setting.
Good luck and have fun.
Rick Girard
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Beauford
wrote:
Brother Harner:
Cannot speak directly to the Warp Mine has a 66 inch
IVO But load is load. That said, I would suspect that anything
over
6100 or 6150 static might be a tad skinny on loading. When I set 6150
static WOT, I get easy 6600 in level flight WOT.
Personally fer me, that is about enough. 6800 static would be like an
argument with my first wife makes my few remaining teeth hurt.
(how mad are you at your bearings?)
Worth What Ye Paid Fer It
beauford
FF-076
Brandon, FL
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Harner
Subject: Kolb-List: pitch?
What amount of pitch do you think I should start with?
Do I shoot for 6500 or 6800 RPM static?
Stuart
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| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
My trim tab is about 3 1/2. By just longer than 1 bay width...
At 1 1/2 inch I bent the tab do when the 1 1/2 is on the table the 2 inch
side is about 1/2 to5/8 off at the trailing edge..
Installed on the bottom side of the left aileron Roth the bend down
Boyd Young
On Aug 29, 2014 6:21 PM, "Frank" wrote:
> Thanks for your response. Will keep
> Your fix in mind and try it in the next
> Couple of weeks. Will let you know
> If it works on my plane.
> Frank
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 29, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Frank Goodnight
> wrote:
>
> Hi Boyd,
> Thanks for your reply.
> When I bought the plane from Bruce he was flying it from the left seat and
> I suppose
> had it trimmed to suit him. I switched to the right seat so the throttle
> is on my left , been
> on the left in every plane I've ever owned. I almost tore the trim lever
> out of the MK3
> the first timeI landed it from the left seat trying to get to idle rpm.
> When I switched to the right seat
> The right wing was extremely heavy. I called kolb and talked to Travis and
> to Bryan, Bryan
> Suggested two things. He explained that because of the way the flaps are
> attached to the
> torque tube for the ailerons they can be used as huge aileron trim tabs
> and should be adjusted
> the same way as if you were adjusting a Alieron trim tab , I did that and
> it helped to raise the
> right wing. Travis had told me that in order to sell Kolbs in England
> there has to be a way to
> Adjust the incidence of the wings. In order to comply Kolb sells an extra
> wide 1/2 of the u joint
> that attaches the trailing edge of the wing to the fuselage. The
> adjustment is made by stacking
> 4 washers above or below the attach point. Bryan suggested that if I
> needed more adjustment
> than I could get with the flaps I should try that , I lowered the angle of
> attack of the left wing
> By 4 washers--don't know many degrees--it worked , the plane flys straight
> and level hands
> off and the yaw string is right down the middle at cruise. So tail trim
> tab is OK. I do have a
> 912 ULS 100HP The only problem is the one I mentioned in the earlier
> post.I would like to
> hear from any and all kolb pilots.
> Frank G
> Fayetteville ,AR
> PS Boyd I changed the hole position on the Firestar , it helped. Will look
> into doing it to the
> MK3 tomorrow, thanks
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 29, 2014, at 8:29 AM, B Young wrote:
>
> What kind of fooling around with the flaps and incidence did you do?
> If you have trimmed the plane by putting the wings and control surfaces
> out of proper alignment instead of installing a trim tab that may be adding
> to the condition???
> As for the heavy stick,, mine was a bit heavy as well, I drilled holes
> about 1 inch in on the control linkage just above the boom tube, this
> gives a bit more mechanical advantage
> Do you have a912? If so you should need Bit of right rudder,,,a trim there
> will reduce the pilot work load
> Boyd Young
> On Aug 29, 2014 6:58 AM, "Frank Goodnight"
> wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>> Kolbers
>> Just starting to get used to my mk3 classic. I have a question for those
>> of you with
>> experience in mk3s. I fly from the right seat, after a bit of fooling
>> around with the flaps and wing incedence i have got the
>> plane so it flys pretty much straight and level, handsoff. I find the
>> ailerons to be very heavy
>> and slow to react, much more so than my Firestar. If I enter a decending
>> left turn at about
>> 75 mph ---nothing radical just a normal turn to left base ,close
>> pattern---to roll level takes about
>> 3 seconds and enough right stick and rudder pressure that I'm almost
>> afraid something will
>> break I' m tempted to use both hands on the stick. Doesn't seem to matter
>> much what power
>> setting is used. If the initial turn is to the right there seems not to
>> be a problem to roll left
>> to level. From level flight the problem is much less pronounced, although
>> it is somewhat
>> easier to turn left than to turn right.Any thoughts and comments would be
>> much appreciated.
>> I don't think it's dangerous , but not sure
>> Frank Goodnight
>> Fayetteville ,AR
>> 912 uls
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| From: | Frank <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
Thanks Boyd
I'll let you know how it turns out
but it will be a couple of weeks
Frank
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 29, 2014, at 8:04 PM, B Young wrote:
> My trim tab is about 3 1/2. By just longer than 1 bay width...
> At 1 1/2 inch I bent the tab do when the 1 1/2 is on the table the 2 inch s
ide is about 1/2 to5/8 off at the trailing edge..
> Installed on the bottom side of the left aileron Roth the bend down
> Boyd Young
>
> On Aug 29, 2014 6:21 PM, "Frank" wrote:
>> Thanks for your response. Will keep
>> Your fix in mind and try it in the next
>> Couple of weeks. Will let you know
>> If it works on my plane.
>> Frank
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 29, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Frank Goodnight wr
ote:
>>
>>> Hi Boyd,
>>> Thanks for your reply.
>>> When I bought the plane from Bruce he was flying it from the left seat a
nd I suppose
>>> had it trimmed to suit him. I switched to the right seat so the throttle
is on my left , been
>>> on the left in every plane I've ever owned. I almost tore the trim lever
out of the MK3
>>> the first timeI landed it from the left seat trying to get to idle rpm. W
hen I switched to the right seat
>>> The right wing was extremely heavy. I called kolb and talked to Travis a
nd to Bryan, Bryan
>>> Suggested two things. He explained that because of the way the flaps are
attached to the
>>> torque tube for the ailerons they can be used as huge aileron trim tabs a
nd should be adjusted
>>> the same way as if you were adjusting a Alieron trim tab , I did that an
d it helped to raise the
>>> right wing. Travis had told me that in order to sell Kolbs in England th
ere has to be a way to
>>> Adjust the incidence of the wings. In order to comply Kolb sells an extr
a wide 1/2 of the u joint
>>> that attaches the trailing edge of the wing to the fuselage. The adjustm
ent is made by stacking
>>> 4 washers above or below the attach point. Bryan suggested that if I nee
ded more adjustment
>>> than I could get with the flaps I should try that , I lowered the angle o
f attack of the left wing
>>> By 4 washers--don't know many degrees--it worked , the plane flys straig
ht and level hands
>>> off and the yaw string is right down the middle at cruise. So tail trim t
ab is OK. I do have a
>>> 912 ULS 100HP The only problem is the one I mentioned in the earlier pos
t.I would like to
>>> hear from any and all kolb pilots.
>>> Frank G
>>> Fayetteville ,AR
>>> PS Boyd I changed the hole position on the Firestar , it helped. Will lo
ok into doing it to the
>>> MK3 tomorrow, thanks
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Aug 29, 2014, at 8:29 AM, B Young wrote:
>>>
>>>> What kind of fooling around with the flaps and incidence did you do?
>>>> If you have trimmed the plane by putting the wings and control surfaces
out of proper alignment instead of installing a trim tab that may be adding
to the condition???
>>>> As for the heavy stick,, mine was a bit heavy as well, I drilled holes a
bout 1 inch in on the control linkage just above the boom tube, this gives a
bit more mechanical advantage
>>>> Do you have a912? If so you should need Bit of right rudder,,,a trim th
ere will reduce the pilot work load
>>>> Boyd Young
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 29, 2014 6:58 AM, "Frank Goodnight" wr
ote:
net>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kolbers
>>>>> Just starting to get used to my mk3 classic. I have a question for tho
se of you with
>>>>> experience in mk3s. I fly from the right seat, after a bit of fooling a
round with the flaps and wing incedence i have got the
>>>>> plane so it flys pretty much straight and level, handsoff. I find the a
ilerons to be very heavy
>>>>> and slow to react, much more so than my Firestar. If I enter a decendi
ng left turn at about
>>>>> 75 mph ---nothing radical just a normal turn to left base ,close patte
rn---to roll level takes about
>>>>> 3 seconds and enough right stick and rudder pressure that I'm almost a
fraid something will
>>>>> break I' m tempted to use both hands on the stick. Doesn't seem to mat
ter much what power
>>>>> setting is used. If the initial turn is to the right there seems not t
o be a problem to roll left
>>>>> to level. =46rom level flight the problem is much less pronounced, alt
hough it is somewhat
>>>>> easier to turn left than to turn right.Any thoughts and comments would
be much appreciated.
>>>>> I don't think it's dangerous , but not sure
>>>>> Frank Goodnight
>>>>> Fayetteville ,AR
>>>>> 912 uls
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
>
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 3:41 PM
Hi,
My Warp Drive prop (3 blade- 60) arrived yesterday and I am getting ready to
set it up. It is going on my Firefly with a Rotax 447 (single carb),
B-Gearbox with 2.58 ratio.
........................
>
Stuart,
I hope you have considered the following:
The B gearbox is rated for a max moment of inertia of 1025 lb-in squared or
3000 kg-cm squared.
Ultralight News of Canada found the three blade Warp prop exceeded these numbers.
See: http://www.ultralightnews.ca/articles/driveselection.htm
Warp Drive should be able to tell you the moment of inertia of your propeller.
Or, the above site can direct you to a Rotax Service Bulletin that explains
how to determine the moment of inertia of your prop.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Since the aileron trim changes depending on whether you have a passenger or not,
I made my trim tab adjustable.
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg6.htm
I also made the mod to change aileron leverage.
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg7.htm
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
My soul shall be joyful in the LORD; It shall rejoice in His salvation. Psalm 35:9
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429633#429633
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Frank
The Kolb MKIII isn't a firestar or firefly. The ailerons are a bit heavy
compared to the lighter Kolbs and the roll rate is more leisurely. The best
way to fix roll trim issues is to use the English trim fitting that Kolb
offers. That way you get all flying surfaces all going the same direction.
Trim tabs and flap adjustments may resolve the issue but add unnecessary
drag.
The stick forces you describe are not normal and I would not fly it that
way. Well... I'm right handed and fly from the left seat is your left arm
weak? Go back over what you have done and make sure you haven't introduced
a problem. Aileron control force in a MKIIIC is heaver than elevator
control force but is never to the point that you would need two hands.
Everything set up correctly roll forces should be the same right and left.
Homer designed the ailerons to have enough power to handle wind direction
changes that can occur flying slow near the ground, moving the hinge point
to make it easier also reduces the deflection that you might need someday.
Worth what you paid for it, refunds available anytime.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Frank Goodnight
wrote:
> Hi Boyd,
> Thanks for your reply.
> When I bought the plane from Bruce he was flying it from the left seat and
> I suppose
> had it trimmed to suit him. I switched to the right seat so the throttle
> is on my left , been
> on the left in every plane I've ever owned. I almost tore the trim lever
> out of the MK3
> the first timeI landed it from the left seat trying to get to idle rpm.
> When I switched to the right seat
> The right wing was extremely heavy. I called kolb and talked to Travis and
> to Bryan, Bryan
> Suggested two things. He explained that because of the way the flaps are
> attached to the
> torque tube for the ailerons they can be used as huge aileron trim tabs
> and should be adjusted
> the same way as if you were adjusting a Alieron trim tab , I did that and
> it helped to raise the
> right wing. Travis had told me that in order to sell Kolbs in England
> there has to be a way to
> Adjust the incidence of the wings. In order to comply Kolb sells an extra
> wide 1/2 of the u joint
> that attaches the trailing edge of the wing to the fuselage. The
> adjustment is made by stacking
> 4 washers above or below the attach point. Bryan suggested that if I
> needed more adjustment
> than I could get with the flaps I should try that , I lowered the angle of
> attack of the left wing
> By 4 washers--don't know many degrees--it worked , the plane flys straight
> and level hands
> off and the yaw string is right down the middle at cruise. So tail trim
> tab is OK. I do have a
> 912 ULS 100HP The only problem is the one I mentioned in the earlier
> post.I would like to
> hear from any and all kolb pilots.
> Frank G
> Fayetteville ,AR
> PS Boyd I changed the hole position on the Firestar , it helped. Will look
> into doing it to the
> MK3 tomorrow, thanks
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 29, 2014, at 8:29 AM, B Young wrote:
>
> What kind of fooling around with the flaps and incidence did you do?
> If you have trimmed the plane by putting the wings and control surfaces
> out of proper alignment instead of installing a trim tab that may be adding
> to the condition???
> As for the heavy stick,, mine was a bit heavy as well, I drilled holes
> about 1 inch in on the control linkage just above the boom tube, this
> gives a bit more mechanical advantage
> Do you have a912? If so you should need Bit of right rudder,,,a trim there
> will reduce the pilot work load
> Boyd Young
> On Aug 29, 2014 6:58 AM, "Frank Goodnight"
> wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>> Kolbers
>> Just starting to get used to my mk3 classic. I have a question for those
>> of you with
>> experience in mk3s. I fly from the right seat, after a bit of fooling
>> around with the flaps and wing incedence i have got the
>> plane so it flys pretty much straight and level, handsoff. I find the
>> ailerons to be very heavy
>> and slow to react, much more so than my Firestar. If I enter a decending
>> left turn at about
>> 75 mph ---nothing radical just a normal turn to left base ,close
>> pattern---to roll level takes about
>> 3 seconds and enough right stick and rudder pressure that I'm almost
>> afraid something will
>> break I' m tempted to use both hands on the stick. Doesn't seem to matter
>> much what power
>> setting is used. If the initial turn is to the right there seems not to
>> be a problem to roll left
>> to level. From level flight the problem is much less pronounced, although
>> it is somewhat
>> easier to turn left than to turn right.Any thoughts and comments would be
>> much appreciated.
>> I don't think it's dangerous , but not sure
>> Frank Goodnight
>> Fayetteville ,AR
>> 912 uls
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb List- Right Turn |
Frank- I have no experience with this, but after reading all the comments I do
have a suggestion. Try flying it from the left seat, just to see if it's a
sideways balance issue of some type.
Bill Sullivan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
Jack,
Some others have raised that issue. I was aware of the MOI limits on
gearboxes and quizzed Darrell at Warp Drive before I ordered the prop. He
assured me it would be OK, but had no hard numbers for me.
Now I am beginning to wonder if I was fooled by a salesman. :(
I can easily set up and run the MOI tests myself to get the true answer, but
I suspect I am not going to like it.
Options are buy a new milled aluminum hub, but that is saving all the weight
at the center, which won't help the MOI much. I could convert to a two
blade hub, but the 60" is probably not able to put enough load on the engine
at any kind of a reasonable pitch.
I wanted to check out the Power Fin props at OSH, but could not find them on
the field nor in the list of vendors.
Now what I am going to say next is strictly personal and is NOT meant to
start any flame wars over props:
I know Travis recommends the IVO, but for me they are not an option due to
other's experiences. End of story, no more gas for the flames.
I have a good regard for the Warp Drives, related to the above sentence,
again, no more gas.
I am completely open to any other prop that gets the job done that is
reasonably priced.
I don't care about looks, but am concerned about vibration, price and noise,
but of course they have to take a back seat to proper application.
Some things I have read and conversations I have had led me to think that
the 3 blade would be a better choice as it would be smoother and quieter
than a 2 blade. I also liked the idea of a lower overall folded size (my
hanger/trailer situation came into play here).
Anybody want to buy a new prop that has not even had the bolts torqued down?
Not the first stupid thing I have done, probably not the last either.....
Stuart
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack B. Hart
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: pitch?
-->
>
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 3:41 PM
Hi,
My Warp Drive prop (3 blade- 60) arrived yesterday and I am getting ready to
set it up. It is going on my Firefly with a Rotax 447 (single carb),
B-Gearbox with 2.58 ratio.
........................
>
Stuart,
I hope you have considered the following:
The B gearbox is rated for a max moment of inertia of 1025 lb-in squared or
3000 kg-cm squared.
Ultralight News of Canada found the three blade Warp prop exceeded these
numbers.
See: http://www.ultralightnews.ca/articles/driveselection.htm
Warp Drive should be able to tell you the moment of inertia of your
propeller.
Or, the above site can direct you to a Rotax Service Bulletin that explains
how to determine the moment of inertia of your prop.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
I would think that the shorter blades of your 60"prop would drastically reduce
it's inertia. Also if it's a tapered tip that would also make it lighter.
Most Kolb props are 66-72" dia.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, Rotax 670,
Leechburg, PA
> On Aug 30, 2014, at 12:03 PM, "Stuart Harner" wrote:
>
>
> Jack,
>
> Some others have raised that issue. I was aware of the MOI limits on
> gearboxes and quizzed Darrell at Warp Drive before I ordered the prop. He
> assured me it would be OK, but had no hard numbers for me.
>
> Now I am beginning to wonder if I was fooled by a salesman. :(
>
> I can easily set up and run the MOI tests myself to get the true answer, but
> I suspect I am not going to like it.
>
> Options are buy a new milled aluminum hub, but that is saving all the weight
> at the center, which won't help the MOI much. I could convert to a two
> blade hub, but the 60" is probably not able to put enough load on the engine
> at any kind of a reasonable pitch.
>
> I wanted to check out the Power Fin props at OSH, but could not find them on
> the field nor in the list of vendors.
>
> Now what I am going to say next is strictly personal and is NOT meant to
> start any flame wars over props:
>
> I know Travis recommends the IVO, but for me they are not an option due to
> other's experiences. End of story, no more gas for the flames.
> I have a good regard for the Warp Drives, related to the above sentence,
> again, no more gas.
>
> I am completely open to any other prop that gets the job done that is
> reasonably priced.
>
> I don't care about looks, but am concerned about vibration, price and noise,
> but of course they have to take a back seat to proper application.
>
> Some things I have read and conversations I have had led me to think that
> the 3 blade would be a better choice as it would be smoother and quieter
> than a 2 blade. I also liked the idea of a lower overall folded size (my
> hanger/trailer situation came into play here).
>
> Anybody want to buy a new prop that has not even had the bolts torqued down?
>
> Not the first stupid thing I have done, probably not the last either.....
>
> Stuart
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack B. Hart
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:02 AM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: pitch?
>
> -->
>
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 3:41 PM
>
> Hi,
>
> My Warp Drive prop (3 blade- 60) arrived yesterday and I am getting ready to
> set it up. It is going on my Firefly with a Rotax 447 (single carb),
> B-Gearbox with 2.58 ratio.
> ........................
>
> Stuart,
>
> I hope you have considered the following:
>
> The B gearbox is rated for a max moment of inertia of 1025 lb-in squared or
> 3000 kg-cm squared.
>
> Ultralight News of Canada found the three blade Warp prop exceeded these
> numbers.
>
> See: http://www.ultralightnews.ca/articles/driveselection.htm
>
> Warp Drive should be able to tell you the moment of inertia of your
> propeller.
> Or, the above site can direct you to a Rotax Service Bulletin that explains
> how to determine the moment of inertia of your prop.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Daryl Heineman, President of Warp Drive, is probably the salesman you are
referring to that sold you the prop. Normally, he is the only one selling
them. Good man. Knowledgeable when it comes to Warp Drive Props and engine
combos.
I've flown with Warp, and done business with them, for 21 years. Tested
them, unintentionally, to the max. They always come through and get me back
home.
I don't know what kind of flying you will be doing, but doubt you will ever
be able to over stress your gear box with this prop and a FS????
Daryl was not trying to fool you, I am sure.
I'd fly that combo.
My experience and opinion only. Don't try this at home.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Harner
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 11:04 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: pitch?
Jack,
Some others have raised that issue. I was aware of the MOI limits on
gearboxes and quizzed Darrell at Warp Drive before I ordered the prop. He
assured me it would be OK, but had no hard numbers for me.
Now I am beginning to wonder if I was fooled by a salesman. :(
I can easily set up and run the MOI tests myself to get the true answer, but
I suspect I am not going to like it.
Options are buy a new milled aluminum hub, but that is saving all the weight
at the center, which won't help the MOI much. I could convert to a two
blade hub, but the 60" is probably not able to put enough load on the engine
at any kind of a reasonable pitch.
I wanted to check out the Power Fin props at OSH, but could not find them on
the field nor in the list of vendors.
Now what I am going to say next is strictly personal and is NOT meant to
start any flame wars over props:
I know Travis recommends the IVO, but for me they are not an option due to
other's experiences. End of story, no more gas for the flames.
I have a good regard for the Warp Drives, related to the above sentence,
again, no more gas.
I am completely open to any other prop that gets the job done that is
reasonably priced.
I don't care about looks, but am concerned about vibration, price and noise,
but of course they have to take a back seat to proper application.
Some things I have read and conversations I have had led me to think that
the 3 blade would be a better choice as it would be smoother and quieter
than a 2 blade. I also liked the idea of a lower overall folded size (my
hanger/trailer situation came into play here).
Anybody want to buy a new prop that has not even had the bolts torqued down?
Not the first stupid thing I have done, probably not the last either.....
Stuart
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Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: pitch?
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>
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 3:41 PM
Hi,
My Warp Drive prop (3 blade- 60) arrived yesterday and I am getting ready to
set it up. It is going on my Firefly with a Rotax 447 (single carb),
B-Gearbox with 2.58 ratio.
........................
>
Stuart,
I hope you have considered the following:
The B gearbox is rated for a max moment of inertia of 1025 lb-in squared or
3000 kg-cm squared.
Ultralight News of Canada found the three blade Warp prop exceeded these
numbers.
See: http://www.ultralightnews.ca/articles/driveselection.htm
Warp Drive should be able to tell you the moment of inertia of your
propeller.
Or, the above site can direct you to a Rotax Service Bulletin that explains
how to determine the moment of inertia of your prop.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 80 or 100 hp? |
| From: | "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com> |
Allan, John, thanks for the replies. I find it interesting that the 100 hp took
longer on takeoffs. Too much of a good thing maybe??
Would be interested in hearing the benefits you have for the 80 hp John if you
get the time. Seems it is more popular when I see Mark III's for sale. Maybe lower
fuel consumption from the 80 hp?
--------
Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429644#429644
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 80 or 100 hp? |
First off 80 hp runs on 87 octane unleaded. 100 requires 91 and higher.
Recommended spark plug change: 200 hours for the 80 and 100 hours for the
100.
80 runs a lot cooler.
Mine burned 4 gph at 5000 cruise. 100 hp burns 5 gph at 5000 cruise. Both
have same cruise speed on my mkIII.
The 100 definitely climbs better and gives you a lot more boot in the butt
than the 80. I could never go back to the 80.
I did the 1994 flight, US border and Deadhorse/Prudhoe Bay, Alaska, flight
with an 80. Did fine, but the 100 gave me a lot more comfort flying over
Atigun Pass through the Brooks Range in Alaska.
Both are great engines. Wish I had the money for a 912IS. I always wanted
a good fuel injection system to simplify the system, but I think the 912IS
also has dual carbs. ;-(
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
Allan, John, thanks for the replies. I find it interesting that the 100 hp
took longer on takeoffs. Too much of a good thing maybe??
Would be interested in hearing the benefits you have for the 80 hp John if
you get the time. Seems it is more popular when I see Mark III's for sale.
Maybe lower fuel consumption from the 80 hp?
--------
Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 80 or 100 hp? |
Where did I get that idea from? Probably the 914 turbo?
Looks like the 912IS is a single throttle body. That makes a lot of sense.
john
Both are great engines. Wish I had the money for a 912IS. I always wanted
a good fuel injection system to simplify the system, but I think the 912IS
also has dual carbs. ;-(
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Stuart, Before you get rid of your WD prop, know this. Most of the MOI
problems on "B" gearboxes come from trying to make the engine idle at too
low an RPM. Doing this beats up the dogs and wears out the spring washers
in the gearbox. Just keep the RPM at idle at 2000 or more and you'll be
just fine.
You have one more option before you dump the prop. Have the blades tapered.
It's going to mean putting another $200 or so dollars into the prop but
tapering the blades gets rid of mass on the blade tips where you get some
good out of it.
My 2 cents, your $200 bucks if you decide to do it.
Rick Girard
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 2:59 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Daryl Heineman, President of Warp Drive, is probably the salesman you are
> referring to that sold you the prop. Normally, he is the only one selling
> them. Good man. Knowledgeable when it comes to Warp Drive Props and
> engine
> combos.
>
> I've flown with Warp, and done business with them, for 21 years. Tested
> them, unintentionally, to the max. They always come through and get me
> back
> home.
>
> I don't know what kind of flying you will be doing, but doubt you will ever
> be able to over stress your gear box with this prop and a FS????
>
> Daryl was not trying to fool you, I am sure.
>
> I'd fly that combo.
>
> My experience and opinion only. Don't try this at home.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Harner
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 11:04 AM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: pitch?
>
>
> Jack,
>
> Some others have raised that issue. I was aware of the MOI limits on
> gearboxes and quizzed Darrell at Warp Drive before I ordered the prop. He
> assured me it would be OK, but had no hard numbers for me.
>
> Now I am beginning to wonder if I was fooled by a salesman. :(
>
> I can easily set up and run the MOI tests myself to get the true answer,
> but
> I suspect I am not going to like it.
>
> Options are buy a new milled aluminum hub, but that is saving all the
> weight
> at the center, which won't help the MOI much. I could convert to a two
> blade hub, but the 60" is probably not able to put enough load on the
> engine
> at any kind of a reasonable pitch.
>
> I wanted to check out the Power Fin props at OSH, but could not find them
> on
> the field nor in the list of vendors.
>
> Now what I am going to say next is strictly personal and is NOT meant to
> start any flame wars over props:
>
> I know Travis recommends the IVO, but for me they are not an option due to
> other's experiences. End of story, no more gas for the flames.
> I have a good regard for the Warp Drives, related to the above sentence,
> again, no more gas.
>
> I am completely open to any other prop that gets the job done that is
> reasonably priced.
>
> I don't care about looks, but am concerned about vibration, price and
> noise,
> but of course they have to take a back seat to proper application.
>
> Some things I have read and conversations I have had led me to think that
> the 3 blade would be a better choice as it would be smoother and quieter
> than a 2 blade. I also liked the idea of a lower overall folded size (my
> hanger/trailer situation came into play here).
>
> Anybody want to buy a new prop that has not even had the bolts torqued
> down?
>
> Not the first stupid thing I have done, probably not the last either.....
>
> Stuart
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack B. Hart
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:02 AM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: pitch?
>
> -->
>
> >
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 3:41 PM
>
> Hi,
>
> My Warp Drive prop (3 blade- 60) arrived yesterday and I am getting ready
> to
> set it up. It is going on my Firefly with a Rotax 447 (single carb),
> B-Gearbox with 2.58 ratio.
> ........................
> >
>
> Stuart,
>
> I hope you have considered the following:
>
> The B gearbox is rated for a max moment of inertia of 1025 lb-in squared or
> 3000 kg-cm squared.
>
> Ultralight News of Canada found the three blade Warp prop exceeded these
> numbers.
>
> See: http://www.ultralightnews.ca/articles/driveselection.htm
>
> Warp Drive should be able to tell you the moment of inertia of your
> propeller.
> Or, the above site can direct you to a Rotax Service Bulletin that explains
> how to determine the moment of inertia of your prop.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: New Kolb Twinstar Owner |
| From: | "Shadow94" <seanote(at)echoes.net> |
I would like to thank Mike and Lee for reaching out to me and being willing to
help me with my Twinstar documents. Mike and Lee I really appreciate you help.
Looking forward to hearing more from the both of you as I move forward with my
rebuild.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429651#429651
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
John,
That was the exact impression I had, and the reason I did not question it
any further. Seemed like he knew the plane, the engine and the gearbox. I
did not get the "used car salesman" red flag.
I really did not give it much extra thought until some replies to my
starting pitch angle came back, indicating that this combo would not work.
The numbers back this up, Rotax did not put the limits in the book just for
the heck of it.
However, no one has replied that Yes, they are running this combination and
it is fine. The flip side of that is no one has said "I tried that and it
tore up my gearbox", only some have warned that it would not work, according
to the numbers.
So, it would seem that it all comes down to whether I want to try it or not.
I have been doing some research on this subject today, some of it I did not
understand. I like physics, but am not very good at it.
To me, a heavier prop (flywheel) would help smooth out the pulses of
combustion, at the expense of quick throttle response. It seems to me that
a lighter prop would speed up and slow down "faster" so that it would
"hammer" the gears more. More rotational mass (MOI) would be slower to
reach a set speed, but would also tend to continue rotating at that speed
(minus the drag of producing thrust) therefore carrying the inertia into the
next combustion pulse. To me this should dampen the "hammering of the gears
effect". Maybe I just don't "get it".
Something else I find interesting is that the Rotax manual warns never to
run the engine without a prop (load) as it will damage the gearbox. They
give a max MOI, but wouldn't there also be a minimum MOI?
Maybe I am fretting over nothing. Maybe I should bolt it on and fly!
I value EVERYONE's input, and thank you one and all.
Stuart
P.S. I still haven't heard a suggested starting pitch angle....
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: pitch?
Daryl Heineman, President of Warp Drive, is probably the salesman you are
referring to that sold you the prop. Normally, he is the only one selling
them. Good man. Knowledgeable when it comes to Warp Drive Props and engine
combos.
I've flown with Warp, and done business with them, for 21 years. Tested
them, unintentionally, to the max. They always come through and get me back
home.
I don't know what kind of flying you will be doing, but doubt you will ever
be able to over stress your gear box with this prop and a FS????
Daryl was not trying to fool you, I am sure.
I'd fly that combo.
My experience and opinion only. Don't try this at home.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Harner
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 11:04 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: pitch?
Jack,
Some others have raised that issue. I was aware of the MOI limits on
gearboxes and quizzed Darrell at Warp Drive before I ordered the prop. He
assured me it would be OK, but had no hard numbers for me.
Now I am beginning to wonder if I was fooled by a salesman. :(
I can easily set up and run the MOI tests myself to get the true answer, but
I suspect I am not going to like it.
Options are buy a new milled aluminum hub, but that is saving all the weight
at the center, which won't help the MOI much. I could convert to a two
blade hub, but the 60" is probably not able to put enough load on the engine
at any kind of a reasonable pitch.
I wanted to check out the Power Fin props at OSH, but could not find them on
the field nor in the list of vendors.
Now what I am going to say next is strictly personal and is NOT meant to
start any flame wars over props:
I know Travis recommends the IVO, but for me they are not an option due to
other's experiences. End of story, no more gas for the flames.
I have a good regard for the Warp Drives, related to the above sentence,
again, no more gas.
I am completely open to any other prop that gets the job done that is
reasonably priced.
I don't care about looks, but am concerned about vibration, price and noise,
but of course they have to take a back seat to proper application.
Some things I have read and conversations I have had led me to think that
the 3 blade would be a better choice as it would be smoother and quieter
than a 2 blade. I also liked the idea of a lower overall folded size (my
hanger/trailer situation came into play here).
Anybody want to buy a new prop that has not even had the bolts torqued down?
Not the first stupid thing I have done, probably not the last either.....
Stuart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack B. Hart
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: pitch?
-->
>
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 3:41 PM
Hi,
My Warp Drive prop (3 blade- 60) arrived yesterday and I am getting ready to
set it up. It is going on my Firefly with a Rotax 447 (single carb),
B-Gearbox with 2.58 ratio.
........................
>
Stuart,
I hope you have considered the following:
The B gearbox is rated for a max moment of inertia of 1025 lb-in squared or
3000 kg-cm squared.
Ultralight News of Canada found the three blade Warp prop exceeded these
numbers.
See: http://www.ultralightnews.ca/articles/driveselection.htm
Warp Drive should be able to tell you the moment of inertia of your
propeller.
Or, the above site can direct you to a Rotax Service Bulletin that explains
how to determine the moment of inertia of your prop.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Stuart, I'm re-posting this response just in case it didn't come through.
And I'm going to add something after.
Before you get rid of your WD prop, know this. Most of the MOI problems on
"B" gearboxes come from trying to make the engine idle at too low an RPM.
Doing this beats up the dogs and wears out the spring washers in the
gearbox. Just keep the RPM at idle at 2000 or more and you'll be just fine.
You have one more option before you dump the prop. Have the blades tapered.
It's going to mean putting another $200 or so dollars into the prop but
tapering the blades gets rid of mass on the blade tips where you get some
good out of it.
My 2 cents, your $200 bucks if you decide to do it.
Rick Girard
In the winter of 2006, hot out of LSARM training I built a rig and did the
rotational inertia per Rotax Service Instruction 11 UL 91E published
December of 1992 (attached). At the time I had six props for various
aircraft in the shop. As I recall only the wood two blade that came with my
Firestar passed and being of multi-laminate constuction only did barely.
Jimmy Young also did tests on two props, a WD and an IVO if memory serves.
Both were three blade props.
Anyway, I stand by the recommendations above.
I know I'm not alone in recommending WD props for one simple reason. They
are great at holding up to the trials and tribulations of the pusher
configuration. I put an AN 6 bolt through a Warp and didn't even know it
until I landed. I put a cheap pair of bifocals through the Power Fin on my
trike and it cost me two new blades.
Rick
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Stuart Harner
wrote:
>
> John,
>
> That was the exact impression I had, and the reason I did not question it
> any further. Seemed like he knew the plane, the engine and the gearbox. I
> did not get the "used car salesman" red flag.
>
> I really did not give it much extra thought until some replies to my
> starting pitch angle came back, indicating that this combo would not work.
> The numbers back this up, Rotax did not put the limits in the book just for
> the heck of it.
>
> However, no one has replied that Yes, they are running this combination and
> it is fine. The flip side of that is no one has said "I tried that and it
> tore up my gearbox", only some have warned that it would not work,
> according
> to the numbers.
>
> So, it would seem that it all comes down to whether I want to try it or
> not.
>
> I have been doing some research on this subject today, some of it I did not
> understand. I like physics, but am not very good at it.
>
> To me, a heavier prop (flywheel) would help smooth out the pulses of
> combustion, at the expense of quick throttle response. It seems to me that
> a lighter prop would speed up and slow down "faster" so that it would
> "hammer" the gears more. More rotational mass (MOI) would be slower to
> reach a set speed, but would also tend to continue rotating at that speed
> (minus the drag of producing thrust) therefore carrying the inertia into
> the
> next combustion pulse. To me this should dampen the "hammering of the
> gears
> effect". Maybe I just don't "get it".
>
> Something else I find interesting is that the Rotax manual warns never to
> run the engine without a prop (load) as it will damage the gearbox. They
> give a max MOI, but wouldn't there also be a minimum MOI?
>
> Maybe I am fretting over nothing. Maybe I should bolt it on and fly!
>
> I value EVERYONE's input, and thank you one and all.
>
> Stuart
> P.S. I still haven't heard a suggested starting pitch angle....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 3:00 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: pitch?
>
>
> Daryl Heineman, President of Warp Drive, is probably the salesman you are
> referring to that sold you the prop. Normally, he is the only one selling
> them. Good man. Knowledgeable when it comes to Warp Drive Props and
> engine
> combos.
>
> I've flown with Warp, and done business with them, for 21 years. Tested
> them, unintentionally, to the max. They always come through and get me
> back
> home.
>
> I don't know what kind of flying you will be doing, but doubt you will ever
> be able to over stress your gear box with this prop and a FS????
>
> Daryl was not trying to fool you, I am sure.
>
> I'd fly that combo.
>
> My experience and opinion only. Don't try this at home.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Harner
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 11:04 AM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: pitch?
>
>
> Jack,
>
> Some others have raised that issue. I was aware of the MOI limits on
> gearboxes and quizzed Darrell at Warp Drive before I ordered the prop. He
> assured me it would be OK, but had no hard numbers for me.
>
> Now I am beginning to wonder if I was fooled by a salesman. :(
>
> I can easily set up and run the MOI tests myself to get the true answer,
> but
> I suspect I am not going to like it.
>
> Options are buy a new milled aluminum hub, but that is saving all the
> weight
> at the center, which won't help the MOI much. I could convert to a two
> blade hub, but the 60" is probably not able to put enough load on the
> engine
> at any kind of a reasonable pitch.
>
> I wanted to check out the Power Fin props at OSH, but could not find them
> on
> the field nor in the list of vendors.
>
> Now what I am going to say next is strictly personal and is NOT meant to
> start any flame wars over props:
>
> I know Travis recommends the IVO, but for me they are not an option due to
> other's experiences. End of story, no more gas for the flames.
> I have a good regard for the Warp Drives, related to the above sentence,
> again, no more gas.
>
> I am completely open to any other prop that gets the job done that is
> reasonably priced.
>
> I don't care about looks, but am concerned about vibration, price and
> noise,
> but of course they have to take a back seat to proper application.
>
> Some things I have read and conversations I have had led me to think that
> the 3 blade would be a better choice as it would be smoother and quieter
> than a 2 blade. I also liked the idea of a lower overall folded size (my
> hanger/trailer situation came into play here).
>
> Anybody want to buy a new prop that has not even had the bolts torqued
> down?
>
> Not the first stupid thing I have done, probably not the last either.....
>
> Stuart
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack B. Hart
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:02 AM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: pitch?
>
> -->
>
> >
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 3:41 PM
>
> Hi,
>
> My Warp Drive prop (3 blade- 60) arrived yesterday and I am getting ready
> to
> set it up. It is going on my Firefly with a Rotax 447 (single carb),
> B-Gearbox with 2.58 ratio.
> ........................
> >
>
> Stuart,
>
> I hope you have considered the following:
>
> The B gearbox is rated for a max moment of inertia of 1025 lb-in squared or
> 3000 kg-cm squared.
>
> Ultralight News of Canada found the three blade Warp prop exceeded these
> numbers.
>
> See: http://www.ultralightnews.ca/articles/driveselection.htm
>
> Warp Drive should be able to tell you the moment of inertia of your
> propeller.
> Or, the above site can direct you to a Rotax Service Bulletin that explains
> how to determine the moment of inertia of your prop.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
Thanks Rick, that helps.
This list once again proves what a great bunch of guys make it up.
I have sent an email to WD about this and will wait for a reply.
Holiday weekend and all, plus I am on the road for work next week, so it
may be a while before I find out what they say.
I will let you know what comes of this.
Thanks again to everyone!
Stuart
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Girard
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pitch?
Stuart, I'm re-posting this response just in case it didn't come
through. And I'm going to add something after.
Before you get rid of your WD prop, know this. Most of the MOI problems
on "B" gearboxes come from trying to make the engine idle at too low an
RPM. Doing this beats up the dogs and wears out the spring washers in
the gearbox. Just keep the RPM at idle at 2000 or more and you'll be
just fine.
You have one more option before you dump the prop. Have the blades
tapered. It's going to mean putting another $200 or so dollars into the
prop but tapering the blades gets rid of mass on the blade tips where
you get some good out of it.
My 2 cents, your $200 bucks if you decide to do it.
Rick Girard
In the winter of 2006, hot out of LSARM training I built a rig and did
the rotational inertia per Rotax Service Instruction 11 UL 91E published
December of 1992 (attached). At the time I had six props for various
aircraft in the shop. As I recall only the wood two blade that came with
my Firestar passed and being of multi-laminate constuction only did
barely. Jimmy Young also did tests on two props, a WD and an IVO if
memory serves. Both were three blade props.
Anyway, I stand by the recommendations above.
I know I'm not alone in recommending WD props for one simple reason.
They are great at holding up to the trials and tribulations of the
pusher configuration. I put an AN 6 bolt through a Warp and didn't even
know it until I landed. I put a cheap pair of bifocals through the Power
Fin on my trike and it cost me two new blades.
Rick
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Stuart Harner
wrote:
John,
That was the exact impression I had, and the reason I did not question
it
any further. Seemed like he knew the plane, the engine and the gearbox.
I
did not get the "used car salesman" red flag.
I really did not give it much extra thought until some replies to my
starting pitch angle came back, indicating that this combo would not
work.
The numbers back this up, Rotax did not put the limits in the book just
for
the heck of it.
However, no one has replied that Yes, they are running this combination
and
it is fine. The flip side of that is no one has said "I tried that and
it
tore up my gearbox", only some have warned that it would not work,
according
to the numbers.
So, it would seem that it all comes down to whether I want to try it or
not.
I have been doing some research on this subject today, some of it I did
not
understand. I like physics, but am not very good at it.
To me, a heavier prop (flywheel) would help smooth out the pulses of
combustion, at the expense of quick throttle response. It seems to me
that
a lighter prop would speed up and slow down "faster" so that it would
"hammer" the gears more. More rotational mass (MOI) would be slower to
reach a set speed, but would also tend to continue rotating at that
speed
(minus the drag of producing thrust) therefore carrying the inertia into
the
next combustion pulse. To me this should dampen the "hammering of the
gears
effect". Maybe I just don't "get it".
Something else I find interesting is that the Rotax manual warns never
to
run the engine without a prop (load) as it will damage the gearbox.
They
give a max MOI, but wouldn't there also be a minimum MOI?
Maybe I am fretting over nothing. Maybe I should bolt it on and fly!
I value EVERYONE's input, and thank you one and all.
Stuart
P.S. I still haven't heard a suggested starting pitch angle....
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From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: pitch?
Daryl Heineman, President of Warp Drive, is probably the salesman you
are
referring to that sold you the prop. Normally, he is the only one
selling
them. Good man. Knowledgeable when it comes to Warp Drive Props and
engine
combos.
I've flown with Warp, and done business with them, for 21 years. Tested
them, unintentionally, to the max. They always come through and get me
back
home.
I don't know what kind of flying you will be doing, but doubt you will
ever
be able to over stress your gear box with this prop and a FS????
Daryl was not trying to fool you, I am sure.
I'd fly that combo.
My experience and opinion only. Don't try this at home.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Harner
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 11:04 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: pitch?
Jack,
Some others have raised that issue. I was aware of the MOI limits on
gearboxes and quizzed Darrell at Warp Drive before I ordered the prop.
He
assured me it would be OK, but had no hard numbers for me.
Now I am beginning to wonder if I was fooled by a salesman. :(
I can easily set up and run the MOI tests myself to get the true answer,
but
I suspect I am not going to like it.
Options are buy a new milled aluminum hub, but that is saving all the
weight
at the center, which won't help the MOI much. I could convert to a two
blade hub, but the 60" is probably not able to put enough load on the
engine
at any kind of a reasonable pitch.
I wanted to check out the Power Fin props at OSH, but could not find
them on
the field nor in the list of vendors.
Now what I am going to say next is strictly personal and is NOT meant to
start any flame wars over props:
I know Travis recommends the IVO, but for me they are not an option due
to
other's experiences. End of story, no more gas for the flames.
I have a good regard for the Warp Drives, related to the above sentence,
again, no more gas.
I am completely open to any other prop that gets the job done that is
reasonably priced.
I don't care about looks, but am concerned about vibration, price and
noise,
but of course they have to take a back seat to proper application.
Some things I have read and conversations I have had led me to think
that
the 3 blade would be a better choice as it would be smoother and quieter
than a 2 blade. I also liked the idea of a lower overall folded size
(my
hanger/trailer situation came into play here).
Anybody want to buy a new prop that has not even had the bolts torqued
down?
Not the first stupid thing I have done, probably not the last
either.....
Stuart
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From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack B. Hart
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: pitch?
-->
>
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 3:41 PM
Hi,
My Warp Drive prop (3 blade- 60) arrived yesterday and I am getting
ready to
set it up. It is going on my Firefly with a Rotax 447 (single carb),
B-Gearbox with 2.58 ratio.
........................
>
Stuart,
I hope you have considered the following:
The B gearbox is rated for a max moment of inertia of 1025 lb-in squared
or
3000 kg-cm squared.
Ultralight News of Canada found the three blade Warp prop exceeded these
numbers.
See: http://www.ultralightnews.ca/articles/driveselection.htm
Warp Drive should be able to tell you the moment of inertia of your
propeller.
Or, the above site can direct you to a Rotax Service Bulletin that
explains
how to determine the moment of inertia of your prop.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Prop inertia & the B box |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Years ago CPS had a complete series of tech articles in their catalog on Rotax
engines and gearboxes and one of those articles was on prop inertia and how much
the B box could handle. CPS currently has a number of those tech articles online
but not all of them. I still have an old CPS catalog that includes all the
old articles and this is the article on prop inertia, so I scanned it, perhaps
it will be useful.
Also, since I am the list curmudgeon who gripes about ridiculously oversize pictures,
and since I am not sure how big these pictures will turn out to be, I thought
I better put it in a separate thread... [Wink]
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Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
From: "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net>
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 08:34:47 -0500
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
..................
I have been doing some research on this subject today, some of it I did not
understand. I like physics, but am not very good at it.
To me, a heavier prop (flywheel) would help smooth out the pulses of
combustion, at the expense of quick throttle response. It seems to me that
a lighter prop would speed up and slow down "faster" so that it would
"hammer" the gears more. More rotational mass (MOI) would be slower to
reach a set speed, but would also tend to continue rotating at that speed
(minus the drag of producing thrust) therefore carrying the inertia into the
next combustion pulse. To me this should dampen the "hammering of the gears
effect". Maybe I just don't "get it".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Stuart,
May be I can help you "get it".
The moment of inertia is the spread of the mass about the center of rotation
times the radius of gyration squared.
Take a large hex nut and tie to the end of a string.
Give it a whirl in the horizontal plane with a short
radius and notice the tension in the string and the
revolution count.
Double string length and try to keep the rotation
speed the same as before.
You will find that the string tension more than doubles and the energy you
have to exert to swing the whole thing goes way up. In this case the system
mass "the nut" is constant but as the mass is moved out from the center of
rotation more torque is required to keep rpm constant.
These represent the loads as seen by the gear box and the crank. It is
desirable to have a low inertia propeller so that the propeller can
accelerate and de accelerate and absorb some of the firing impulse exerted
on the crank by the piston and connecting rod. This reduces the peak
oscillatory torque loads in the crank and on the face of the gear
teeth.
It is some what counter intuitive. With a lower inert propeller, the
engine and gearbox will jump around a little more on the mounts. But
internally the gear box and crank and piston rod bearing assemblies will be
operating under lower peak loads while the system is delivering the same hp
as it would with a higher inertia propeller.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Rudder Failure on my Xtra. |
Kolbers,
The good news is that no one was ingured and the aircraft damage was
relatively minor. It could have been a lot worse if it happened in the
air.
Recently we had a taxi test in my Xtra with a once around the pattern
and shortly after landing the right rudder failed! Atfter a sharp left
turn to exit off the runway, without the benefit of a taxiway, the Xtra
ending up off the runway with both axels sheered off at the wheel and a
bent right wing tip.
After getting the plane back to the hanger I found that the rudder
failure was caused by the weld failing between the upright square bar
that connects the rudder to the cables. I also noticed that the axel is
hollow. Should the axel be solid?
Have any of the Kolbers experienced this before and if so, any
suggestions as to the cause of the failure and the best course of
action, repair or replace the failed part?
I have attached the photos of the failed part and the sheered axel.
Brad Nation
MK III Xtra
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Rudder Failure on my Xtra. |
Not rudder failure, but what looks like a rudder crank that failed, not
because the weld failed, but the round tube wall stressed cracked over time
and failed. I had a similar aileron crank failure on a Ultrastar in 1985.
Weld was good but the rotating tube wall stress cracked and failed.
First I have heard of this type failure in a rudder crank. That doesn't
mean much.
Axles are normally tubular. Looks like yours are the popular 5/8" OD axles
that use little ball bearings which cannot be adjusted. I upgraded to 3/4"
OD axles with tapered roller bearings after I lost a wheel at Muncho Lake,
BC, in 2000. Never had another problem with wheels, axles, and gear legs.
Our MKIII aircraft are heavy when we strap in a couple husky guys, a full
load of fuel, and anything else we can stick in there. I think MATCO
advertises the 5/8" axles as 600 lbs static and 2000 lbs max. Most of us
exceed that number a great deal. If you land at 3 g's, that's 1980 lbs. 4
g's is 2400 lbs. See what I mean. That is if you and your airplane weigh
600 lbs. 900 to 1000-1200 lbs is more like it.
I guarantee those wheels, axles, and bearings have been constantly
overstressed. I didn't realize that 14 years ago when I broke mine.
Sorry it happened. It always hurts to break our airplane.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brad Nation
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:19 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Rudder Failure on my Xtra.
Kolbers,
The good news is that no one was ingured and the aircraft damage was
relatively minor. It could have been a lot worse if it happened in the air.
Recently we had a taxi test in my Xtra with a once around the pattern and
shortly after landing the right rudder failed! Atfter a sharp left turn to
exit off the runway, without the benefit of a taxiway, the Xtra ending up
off the runway with both axels sheered off at the wheel and a bent right
wing tip.
After getting the plane back to the hanger I found that the rudder failure
was caused by the weld failing between the upright square bar that connects
the rudder to the cables. I also noticed that the axel is hollow. Should
the axel be solid?
Have any of the Kolbers experienced this before and if so, any suggestions
as to the cause of the failure and the best course of action, repair or
replace the failed part?
I have attached the photos of the failed part and the sheered axel.
Brad Nation
MK III Xtra
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Failure on my Xtra. |
| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
The kolb list is very valuable in spreading the word if there is an issue.
Thanks for reporting it.
I think the issue might be that the rudder control system wasn't designed
to handle the load that toe brakes put on the rudder control system. Flight
loads and ground control steering just doesn't put that much load on it.
Like so many things when a seemingly small change is made it can effect a
bunch of other things. Those of us that have the old heal brakes shouldn't
have a issue. For those that have toe brakes check for stress in the area
described. Also check the rudder control horn on the rudder and the rudder
hinges. It would seem that some beefing up of the rudder system is in order
when using the newer toe brake setup. Seems like there was one toe brake
installation that increased the leverage to the master cylinders for this
very reason. Maybe both areas need to be looked at. In the mean time don't
stand on those toe brakes.
As always worth what you paid for it and refunds anytime.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 8:47 PM, John Hauck wrote:
> Not rudder failure, but what looks like a rudder crank that failed, not
> because the weld failed, but the round tube wall stressed cracked over ti
me
> and failed. I had a similar aileron crank failure on a Ultrastar in 1985
.
> Weld was good but the rotating tube wall stress cracked and failed.
>
>
> First I have heard of this type failure in a rudder crank. That doesn't
> mean much.
>
>
> Axles are normally tubular. Looks like yours are the popular 5/8" OD
> axles that use little ball bearings which cannot be adjusted. I upgraded
> to 3/4" OD axles with tapered roller bearings after I lost a wheel at
> Muncho Lake, BC, in 2000. Never had another problem with wheels, axles,
> and gear legs.
>
>
> Our MKIII aircraft are heavy when we strap in a couple husky guys, a full
> load of fuel, and anything else we can stick in there. I think MATCO
> advertises the 5/8" axles as 600 lbs static and 2000 lbs max. Most of us
> exceed that number a great deal. If you land at 3 g's, that=99s 19
80 lbs. 4
> g's is 2400 lbs. See what I mean. That is if you and your airplane
> weigh 600 lbs. 900 to 1000-1200 lbs is more like it.
>
>
> I guarantee those wheels, axles, and bearings have been constantly
> overstressed. I didn't realize that 14 years ago when I broke mine.
>
>
> Sorry it happened. It always hurts to break our airplane.
>
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> *From:* owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Brad Nation
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:19 PM
> *To:* Kolb-list
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Rudder Failure on my Xtra.
>
>
> Kolbers,
>
> The good news is that no one was ingured and the aircraft damage was
> relatively minor. It could have been a lot worse if it happened in the ai
r.
>
>
> Recently we had a taxi test in my Xtra with a once around the pattern and
> shortly after landing the right rudder failed! Atfter a sharp left turn
to
> exit off the runway, without the benefit of a taxiway, the Xtra ending up
> off the runway with both axels sheered off at the wheel and a bent right
> wing tip.
>
>
> After getting the plane back to the hanger I found that the rudder failur
e
> was caused by the weld failing between the upright square bar that connec
ts
> the rudder to the cables. I also noticed that the axel is hollow. Should
> the axel be solid?
>
>
> Have any of the Kolbers experienced this before and if so, any suggestion
s
> as to the cause of the failure and the best course of action, repair or
> replace the failed part?
>
>
> I have attached the photos of the failed part and the sheered axel.
>
>
> Brad Nation
>
> MK III Xtra
>
>
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| From: | "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop inertia & the B box |
Richard good post the article you scanned in was a good read.
when I read the second paragraph "Plotting your prop inertia" (see the
second attachment below,,, ~~prop 2~~ ).... near the bottom. I found the
following information... I am paraphrasing,,,,it states if your inertia is
under 3000 use an a or b box,, if the inertia is between 3000 and 6000
use a C box,,, above 6000 not advised for 2 stroke.... this much we all
agree on....
still paraphrasing,,,,,,, it says,, if you are over the limits, you may
want to go to the next larger gear box, or live with what is probably a
rough idling engine, change props, or use a prop balancer. there was no
mention that it would rip the gears out, or run rough,,,, only idle
rough,,, john mentioned if you idle at a faster speed it will eliminate
the roughness,,, , this is probably the cheapest / easiest advice I have
seen on the list as a solution for this issue. next is buy a larger gear
box or lighter prop.
I always idle faster than the minimum recommended speed anyway,,, that has
always made things run smother / last longer. because the enrichener
works best at a lower idle setting, my throttle will go down to a lower
rpm... but as soon as the engine is running I bump the throttle to 2000.
this works for me,,, your mileage may vary, again worth your subscription
price.
boyd young
>>>>>>>>>>>
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Failure on my Xtra. |
| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Brad/All
The both axles failing at the same time got me thinking. I see dual Matco
brake calipers (one may be a bigger caliper) along with the failed rudder
controls. I would bet that the brakes were slammed on extremely hard
sheering off the axles and braking the rudder system. Not sure what to say.
It looks like the brakes were instantly locked up putting way too much
torque on the axles. What landing gear legs did you have? I would guess a
nose over could have occurred if things hadn't failed.
I have the original Kolb optional solid tapered spring steel gear legs.
Not sure how they would handle that much braking force.
Again worth what you paid and refunds anytime.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Brad Nation wrote:
> Kolbers,
> The good news is that no one was ingured and the aircraft damage was
> relatively minor. It could have been a lot worse if it happened in the air.
>
> Recently we had a taxi test in my Xtra with a once around the pattern and
> shortly after landing the right rudder failed! Atfter a sharp left turn to
> exit off the runway, without the benefit of a taxiway, the Xtra ending up
> off the runway with both axels sheered off at the wheel and a bent right
> wing tip.
>
> After getting the plane back to the hanger I found that the rudder failure
> was caused by the weld failing between the upright square bar that connects
> the rudder to the cables. I also noticed that the axel is hollow. Should
> the axel be solid?
>
> Have any of the Kolbers experienced this before and if so, any suggestions
> as to the cause of the failure and the best course of action, repair or
> replace the failed part?
>
> I have attached the photos of the failed part and the sheered axel.
>
> Brad Nation
> MK III Xtra
>
>
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| From: | Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder Failure on my Xtra. |
The rudder control failed first causing the hard left turn and running
into the soft dirt embankment which caused the wheels to sheer off. The
gear legs are tapered steel. The gear legs were buried in the dirt
about 4 - 5 inches. Most of the time around here the dirt would have
been as hard a concrete, but we have had a very wet rainy season, and
would most likely just ridden up the embankment and not into it.
The reason for the dual breaks is that the single ones were not
providing enough break pressure. I wasn=92t able to hold the plane
while doing a run up. I could have replaced the masters or added
another set of pads, I opted for the extra pads.
On Sep 1, 2014, at 9:56 , Rick Neilsen wrote:
> Brad/All
>
> The both axles failing at the same time got me thinking. I see dual
Matco brake calipers (one may be a bigger caliper) along with the failed
rudder controls. I would bet that the brakes were slammed on extremely
hard sheering off the axles and braking the rudder system. Not sure what
to say. It looks like the brakes were instantly locked up putting way
too much torque on the axles. What landing gear legs did you have? I
would guess a nose over could have occurred if things hadn't failed.
>
> I have the original Kolb optional solid tapered spring steel gear
legs. Not sure how they would handle that much braking force.
>
> Again worth what you paid and refunds anytime.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Brad Nation
wrote:
> Kolbers,
> The good news is that no one was ingured and the aircraft damage was
relatively minor. It could have been a lot worse if it happened in the
air.
>
> Recently we had a taxi test in my Xtra with a once around the pattern
and shortly after landing the right rudder failed! Atfter a sharp left
turn to exit off the runway, without the benefit of a taxiway, the Xtra
ending up off the runway with both axels sheered off at the wheel and a
bent right wing tip.
>
> After getting the plane back to the hanger I found that the rudder
failure was caused by the weld failing between the upright square bar
that connects the rudder to the cables. I also noticed that the axel is
hollow. Should the axel be solid?
>
> Have any of the Kolbers experienced this before and if so, any
suggestions as to the cause of the failure and the best course of
action, repair or replace the failed part?
>
> I have attached the photos of the failed part and the sheered axel.
>
> Brad Nation
> MK III Xtra
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Ivo prop for sale |
| From: | "Ducati SS" <hiwingflyer6219(at)yahoo.com> |
Ground adjustable - 5 blades, can be run as two or 3 blade - used on my Firefly
about 15 hrs. 225 plus shipping.
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| Subject: | Re: Ivo prop for sale |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Length?
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
This is my first video from my plane using a Drift 170. There is no audio
this time and the camera mount needed to be pointed down more so that we
aren't looking at the bottom of the wing.
I wanted to get some video of water. Lake Michigan is 400 miles long,
mostly 100 miles wide, almost 900 ft deep, fresh water, no salt and no
sharks. The lake froze over last winter and is only just now warming to the
low 70s on the surface. Living along the lake we haven't seen much over 75
degrees this summer and never when the wind is north or west. My home is a
red three story on the left as I fly back to the lake shore from the sand
dunes.
Enjoy
https://vimeo.com/105024907
The password for access is....... mears
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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=0A Rick,=0ANice video,steady and good color.A lot nicer view
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| From: | "baberdk" <baberdk(at)gmail.com> |
I started at 16 degrees and then adjusted for 6250 rpm static
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| Subject: | Fwd: Re Mark IIIC roll issue |
| From: | Frank <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
Sent from my iPhone
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Frank Goodnight <frank.goodnight(at)att.net>
> Date: September 2, 2014, 4:03:41 PM CDT
> To: John Bickham
> Subject: Re: Re Mark IIIC roll issue
>
> John,
> After reading your e-mail,I found the problem with Bruce's MK3. I decided I
would jack up the
> outboard ends of the horizontal stabilizers a couple of inches in order to
simulate flight
> loads and move the controls around. At first everything was normal then al
l a once the
> stick locked up exactly as it does when entering a descending left turn.. T
urns out that
> at some time either duel sticks were added or the canopy /windshield was c
hanged.
> The windshield has 2 aluminum tubes that go from the instrument panel up t
o the fuselage
> that are about 2 ft.apart and the side doors hinge onto them . I fly from t
he right seat
> so when I entered a left descending turn , the top of the other -- the lef
t hand-- stick would
> get behind the aluminum tube and lock up the stick .The only way to get an
y Alieron action
> to correct the left turn was to pull hard enough to get a little spring in
the left stick. Witch is
> why you and I both thought something was about to break. Bruce flew from t
he left seat
> so his problem was getting out of a right turn. The cure --- I cut 1inch o
ff the top of each
> stick.Stick now isn't. long enough to get stuck behind the tube &the plane
now flys normal. Hard problem to find cause when it locked up I was MUCH mo
re interested in my stick than the other one, also it only locked up when in
a desending left turn. Thanks again.
> Frank Goodnight
> Fayetteville, AR
> MK3 classic
> Rotax ULS
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 1, 2014, at 4:06 PM, John Bickham wrote:
>
>> Hey Mr Frank,
>>
>> John H tells me you looking for me. Understand you bought Bruce Chaisson
's Mark IIIC and are having some roll/hard stick problems.
>>
>> I met Bruce when he contacted me regarding the same issue. He wanted me t
o fly with him because he was having the same problem. I didn't appreciate i
t until we got in the air. It has been quite a few years and I honestly don
't remember in was right or left turn that was difficult. I know I shared yo
ur concern about something breaking and asked to get back on the ground.
>>
>> After investigating all the obvious stuff like wing incidence, aileron de
flection, and angle, etc. Took a look at the tail. Found the tail wires to
be pretty loose. Because of the folding design of the tail, any flex in the
horizontal stabilizers will bind hinges and lock the stick. Partially fold
the tail and try to move the stick to see what I'm talking about. On the gr
ound, there are no forces on the tail and stick movement is normal. At flyi
ng speed, the lift forces can cause the tell to flex and bind the hinges.
>>
>> Bruce told me tightening the wires improved things. Can't attest to that
personally, never flew with him again. However, he did make the trip to MV a
nd on to the Rock House with us.
>>
>> Not sure if this is the problem you are having but I'm hoping it is this s
imple. Check the tail wires and make them as tight as banjo strings. If an
ything, eliminate this.
>>
>> Call me if you need to discuss. Cell =225-505-4353
>> Apologize in advance if u may have to leave a message. I'll get back to y
ou. Running pretty hard to get things done before leaving for the Rock Hous
e this Sunday.
>>
>> Be safe. Hope this is helpful.
>>
>> Thanks 2 much,
>> John Bickham
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| From: | "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 09/02/14 |
> Where did all those dunes come from? No sand visible around the shore.
Wave action creates sand along oceans and large lakes. Wind action does the
same in deserts. Then the wind moves the sand down-wind in drifts. I am
guessing that you see little sand along the shore because the wind action is
very efficient at moving the sand away.
At Pismo beach, central CA, there is a VERY fine sand that gets everywhere,
not like regular beach sand. This is sand made smaller by the action of
100,000's of vehicles roaring around on it. Away from vehicle action it
isn't so fine. The dunes extend eastward about a 1/2 mile to a mile. I think
so much sand is created there because the ocean floor is not steep at all. A
very mild grade, you can wade out quite a ways. This gives more area being
worked over by the wave action.
After a weekend there on motorcycles/quads/4x4s I get sand behind my
eyeballs. Only way I have found to get it out is to pull the skin/eye-lids
away from my eyeballs and spray the shower in there.
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| From: | Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 09/02/14 |
I have a Jabiru 2200 w/ Bing carb spewing fuel out of the air filter. I am
taking the carb off today and looking it over, what do you think I will find?
what should I look out for
Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
http://michigansportpilotrepair.com/
LSRM-A, PPC, WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022
________________________________
From: George Bearden <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 6:24 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 09/02/14
> Where did all those dunes come from? No sand visible around the shore.
Wave action creates sand along oceans and large lakes. Wind action does the
same in deserts. Then the wind moves the sand down-wind in drifts. I am
guessing that you see little sand along the shore because the wind action is
very efficient at moving the sand away.
At Pismo beach, central CA, there is a VERY fine sand that gets everywhere,
not like regular beach sand. This is sand made smaller by the action of
100,000's of vehicles roaring around on it. Away from vehicle action it
isn't so fine. The dunes extend eastward about a 1/2 mile to a mile. I think
so much sand is created there because the ocean floor is not steep at all. A
very mild grade, you can wade out quite a ways. This gives more area being
worked over by the wave action.
After a weekend there on motorcycles/quads/4x4s I get sand behind my
eyeballs. Only way I have found to get it out is to pull the skin/eye-lids
away from my eyeballs and spray the shower in there.
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| Subject: | wanting to see Kolb |
| From: | "joe" <okjoek2000(at)yahoo.com> |
I live in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma, basically Tulsa. I would like to see a Kolb in
person. I am building our final house outside of Locust Grove, Oklahoma and
am there most days which is close to the Arkansas border, nearest town to Locust
Grove people would probably be familiar with would be Fayetteville, Ar.
If anyone lives in either of those areas and wouldn't mind letting me see their
Kolb I would really appreciate it. I am hoping to get at least a Sport Pilot
license when I finish our house, still need to break that part of it to the wife.
Joe
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| From: | Frank <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
Hi Joe,
I have a kolb MK3 classic inFayetteville
AR. Would be happy to show it to you
most any time. Ph 479 236 1121.
Frank Goodnight
Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Failure on my Xtra. |
I agree, it is disconcerting to have a flight critical part fail. Please remember
you are flying an experimental aircraft. It is built with non aircraft (approved)
parts and not designed and built to approved aircraft standards. Even
when planes are built with approved parts they fail. I would use this as a
wake up call to inspect every piece of steel on your aircraft for cracks. I would
mention this desire to the next person who annuals the aircraft. It is good
you have posted this on the list so others can immediately go inspect their
aircraft. Use this as an opportunity to adjust your perspective and make yourself
safer.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder Failure on my Xtra. |
Jason O/Kolbers:
The reason I bought my first Kolb aircraft kit, an Ultrastar, February 1984,
was because it was delivered with, primarily, aviation parts and material.
Even then, I had an aileron bell crank fail like the MKIIIx rudder bell
crank. Pulled the crank right out of the tube wall, weld and all. As far
as I know, I am the only one that achieved that mark of distinction. There
may have been others, but Homer Kolb kept it a secret if there was.
Kolb aircraft are built with standard aviation parts and material,
especially in flight critical areas. There are non-standard items on Kolb
aircraft, but most all of them are not used in flight critical systems.
I got a feeling our friend has a strong leg and a strong arm on the
controls. Took some work to weaken the rudder pedal bell crank and axles,
to the point they failed his last landing. I may have the heaviest MKIII in
the inventory, and probably fly with heavier loads than most. I used those
same axles and wheels for more than two thousand hours and thousands of
landings. Never broke an axle but broke the weld/tube wall from the gear
leg/axle socket. I have a feeling if I had kept on accumulating hours and
landings on those 5/8" axles, they would have failed too.
Personally, and my opinion only, the failure of a rudder pedal or bell crank
is not flight critical on a Kolb. If you were club footed enough to break
one in the air, you can fly and land the Kolb without killing yourself.
Here's where it is nice to have good differential braking, that works. Very
easy to maintain and control yaw, and steer the Kolb on the ground with
differential brakes. Because I have around 100 lbs on my tail wheel, I
depend on differential brakes most of the time to help me control my MKIII
on the ground.
Kolbs are experimental to a point. For the most part, Hauck's opinion
again, that doesn't mean much except the aircraft may have been amateur
built and has not been certified. I have an FAA Airworthiness Certificate
issued for N101AB. That's good enough for me. I like to think Homer Kolb's
airplanes have been tested with thousands and thousands of flight hours over
the past 30 plus years. Like Jason said, there are parts that wear out and
break on certified aircraft. When something like that happens to our Kolbs,
this is a good place to share so we can all make note of it and take
necessary action to fix it.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
I agree, it is disconcerting to have a flight critical part fail. Please
remember you are flying an experimental aircraft. It is built with non
aircraft (approved) parts and not designed and built to approved aircraft
standards. Even when planes are built with approved parts they fail
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Failure on my Xtra. |
Rick, your MKIII must have been different than mine because mine was not built
to any aircraft standard. I did not compare the parts I received to the engineering
drawings, I did not even receive dimensional drawings to compare the parts
to. Heck I even put a plaque in my that stated it was amateur built and did
not comply with FAA standard aircraft rules. Mine was put together with a
couple of thousand hardware store stainless steel pop rivets. The poly fiber
I used was not FAA/PMA stamped. I think you take my post the wrong way. I like
Kolbs and think they are fine aircraft and for me that is not diminished by
the fact it does not meet aircraft standards. Some of the parts I used may be
the same alloys or manufactured the same way as aircraft parts but that does
not make the airplane built to FAA aircraft standards.
FWIW
Jason
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| Subject: | Re: 80 or 100 hp? |
| From: | "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks John. The 80 hp has some really good attributes that I did not know of.
I am used to everyone in the PPC world saying it's gotta be the 100 hp. It is
probably because the PPC wings are so ineffecient. Thanks again for your input.
Wes
--------
Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
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| Subject: | Current value of Rotax 447 |
| From: | "Ducati SS" <hiwingflyer6219(at)yahoo.com> |
Preparing to list my 447 with B gearbox and 17 hrs. TT on Barnstormers. I have
not paid any attention to engine prices for some time, anyone have any idea of
the current value?
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430062#430062
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| Subject: | Leaking carb floats |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Besides checking with Rotax for info on bad floats you might want to check
with the Bing Agency, too.
http://www.bingcarburetor.com/
Rick Girard
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
Believe those who are seeking for the truth, doubt those who find it.
- Andre Gide
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| From: | "joe" <okjoek2000(at)yahoo.com> |
Want to say thanks to Rex who has offered to show me his Kolb, hope to make it
there to see his, and to Frank who I did meet with, I don't know if I will ever
see a nicer one than his. Very impressive machine.
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Failure on my Xtra. |
| From: | kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
HEY JOHN
BONG VOYAGE AND HAVE A GREAT FLITE!
WE ALL ENVY YOU
RUSS
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Failure on my Xtra. |
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Rudder Failure on my Xtra. |
Wish you all could fly along with me.
john
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kinne russ
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rudder Failure on my Xtra.
HEY JOHN
BONG VOYAGE AND HAVE A GREAT FLITE!
WE ALL ENVY YOU
RUSS
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Failure on my Xtra. |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 5:29 PM, kinne russ wrote:
>
> HEY JOHN
> BONG VOYAGE AND HAVE A GREAT FLITE!
> WE ALL ENVY YOU
> RUSS
>
>
Yeah, but John doesn't smoke! :-)
Larry
>
>
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address before sending.*
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| From: | Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder Failure on my Xtra. |
You think we could stay with the topic of the original post? Just a
suggestion :-)
Yellow Bird 1
Brad Nation
MKIII Xtra
N952DK
On Sep 6, 2014, at 17:29 , kinne russ wrote:
>
> HEY JOHN
> BONG VOYAGE AND HAVE A GREAT FLITE!
> WE ALL ENVY YOU
> RUSS
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Failure on my Xtra. |
| From: | Denny Baber <baberdk(at)gmail.com> |
I have a Mark III, but I didn't mean to imply to disconnect the rudders.
What I meant to say was to put springs in series between the rudders and
the pedals that would withstand around two hundred pounds of tension. The
only time they would operate would be if you pushed on both pedals and
exceeded the springs limits, but before you could damage metal parts. The
only time they would operate would be to save the plane from pilot error. I
have not tried this, I was wondering if anyone had thought about it and
tried it so I wouldn't have to. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Sincerely,
Denny Baber
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| From: | <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder Failure on my Xtra. |
Personally, I wouldn't wouldn't try that. Normally, the pedals would bend before
they broke. One must try extremely hard break rudder pedals while flying or
crashing.
john h
mkIII
Plainview, TX
---- Denny Baber wrote:
> I have a Mark III, but I didn't mean to imply to disconnect the rudders.
> What I meant to say was to put springs in series between the rudders and
> the pedals that would withstand around two hundred pounds of tension. The
> only time they would operate would be if you pushed on both pedals and
> exceeded the springs limits, but before you could damage metal parts. The
> only time they would operate would be to save the plane from pilot error. I
> have not tried this, I was wondering if anyone had thought about it and
> tried it so I wouldn't have to. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Denny Baber
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Failure on my Xtra. |
| From: | "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com> |
My thoughts about adding springs.
Cons:
More weight.
More stuff to break. Kind of defeats the purpose of these in the first place.
May let the rudder flutter with nothing you can do expect apply more pressure and
hope it works until you cramp a calf.
May allow tailwheel to flutter while touching down or taking off.
Provides much less feel to rudder / tailwheel operation.
Pros:
May prevent rudder system failure from pilot over applying pressure to pedals.
I think if you really had to "Fix" the rudder pedal situation you would be better
off using the additional weight the springs would have added towards thicker
steel rudder pedals, brackets, or whatever you think is the weak spot. I'd
rather use a system that has a great track record then invent a new system and
risk my life on it.
--------
Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/
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| From: | "Nick Cassara" <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Anti Flutter idea.... |
Hello Kolbers,
I had a though about aileron flutter.I have these heavy counter weights that
I will be installing on the outboard ends of my ailerons soon.
Disclaimer. I am a True "amateur" so please tell me why this idea is a bad
one!
If the idea of these weight is to apply resistance to keep the aileron from
fluttering, could this function not also be accomplished by install a
fiberglass rod running along the bottom of the end wing rib, and continuing
out to the end of the aileron. The rod would flex up or done through the
movement on the aileron, but would dampen the aileron movements. Ok, what do
you think? Has this ever been tried..did the pilot live?
Thanks,
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
Fulltime Amateur!
607AK
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| From: | jimbaker(at)npacc.net |
| Subject: | Re: Anti Flutter idea.... |
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| From: | "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti Flutter idea.... |
Nick it is not a resistance,,,, it is a MASS counter balance
a rod from the rib to under the aileron, would increase the working load on
the stick, pilot, linkages,,, and make a somewhat heavy aileron near im
possible to maneuver,,, IMHO in my humble opinion.
boyd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If the idea of these weight is to apply resistance to keep the aileron from
fluttering, could this function not also be accomplished by install a
fiberglass rod running along the bottom of the end wing rib, and continuing
out to the end of the aileron. The rod would flex up or done through the
movement on the aileron, but would dampen the aileron movements. Ok, what d
o
you think? Has this ever been tried..did the pilot live?
Thanks,
Nick Cassara
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| From: | "The Kuffels" <kuffel(at)cyberport.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti Flutter idea.... |
Nick,
<< fluttering, could this function not also be accomplished by install
a fiberglass rod running along the bottom of the end wing rib, and
continuing out to the end of the aileron. The rod would flex up or done
through the movement on the aileron, but would dampen the aileron
movements >>
I agree with Jim Baker, this is a bad idea. While I'm no expert in
aerodynamics either, I use to do flutter and spin testing so have some
experience with the issues. A simple thought experiment may help
explain why this is a bad idea.
Consider one wing as it goes through a thermal. As the wing enters the
thermal, the trailing edge of the aileron will want to go down, on
leaving the trailing edge will want to go up. With the counterweight,
inertia will resist the entering downward movement and inertia and
momentum will resist the exiting upward movement.
With the rod, on entering the rod is flexed upward, on leaving this flex
will increase the upward movement of the aileron trailing edge. Doesn't
take too much imagination to suspect things could get very bad, very
fast. This ignores the mechanical complexity of some sort of flexible
mounting to accommodate the different effective length of the rod as the
aileron moves.
We have almost 100 years of experience with mass balancing of control
surfaces to eliminate flutter. Believe it is best in this case to stick
with what is known to work.
Tom Kuffel, CFI etc.
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| Subject: | Re: Anti Flutter idea.... |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Use the tried and true counterweight method. Your proposal is (quite frankly) a
good way to disassemble your Kolb in a remarkably instantaneous fashion..
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Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | Anti Flutter idea.... |
Nick,
I think your thought process has some merit however, it did not quite go far
enough.
Putting a damper on a control surface should indeed help prevent flutter
(oscillations).
A thin light weight fiberglass or carbon fiber rod would probably provide
the force needed to do the job, insofar as it would absorb some of the
energy used to move the control surface from neutral to non-neutral.
Unfortunately, this is where the usefulness of the rod (spring) comes to an
end. Now that the spring has all of this stored energy, the only way it can
release it is back into the control surface. In flutter, the surface is
going to oscillate and the release of the stored energy will only contribute
to the problem, adding force to the opposite motion, thus making it worse
instead of better.
In short, the rod helps during the first half of the flutter motion, but
hurts during the second half. At least until the surface gets back to
neutral, then the process starts all over.
What you attempted to do was add a dampener, but what actually happened was
you added a spring.
There probably have been entire books written on this subject, all of which
I am sure are way beyond me.
A shock absorber of the right size would probably work. Keep thinking, you
may come up with a solution that is totally new.
Just my $.02 and a few electrons.
Stuart
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Cassara
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 12:25 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Anti Flutter idea....
Hello Kolbers,
I had a though about aileron flutter.I have these heavy counter weights that
I will be installing on the outboard ends of my ailerons soon.
Disclaimer. I am a True "amateur" so please tell me why this idea is a bad
one!
If the idea of these weight is to apply resistance to keep the aileron from
fluttering, could this function not also be accomplished by install a
fiberglass rod running along the bottom of the end wing rib, and continuing
out to the end of the aileron. The rod would flex up or done through the
movement on the aileron, but would dampen the aileron movements. Ok, what do
you think? Has this ever been tried..did the pilot live?
Thanks,
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
Fulltime Amateur!
607AK
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| From: | <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Flight West 2014 |
Hi Folks:
Miracles never cease to amaze me. I found a computer that works at the airport
in Ely, Nevada.
Decided to celebrate my 75th year with another round trip across CONUS. Haven't
been through Monument Valley in 5 years, so decided to take the long way to
the next Kolb/Rock House Flyin near Burns Junction, Oregon. Departed Gantt International
Airport, Titus, Alabama, Sunday morning at 0800. After 8 hours of
flying, landed at Sherman, Texax, where I spent the night in the FOB. Another
8 hours of flying got me to Los Lunas, New Mexico, where I spent the night with
friends at Midland Airpark. They are also flying to the Rock House, Friday.
Yesterday I flew 4 hours and after the third attempt, got the Kolb MKIII on
the ground. Wished I had had a video camera. It was exciting. Landed in a
rain storm, unusual for MV, with extreme cross wind. Velocity, I do not know,
but don't want to do it again. Today I have flown 4 hours. I have another 2
hours to make Elko, Nevada, where I will dine at the Star Hotel, enjoy some wonderful
Basque food (I've been here before), and spend the night with friends.
Tomorrow will be an easy 2 hour flight across the mountains to the Rock House.
If I deviate to the east a little, there is a gravel strip at Owyhee, NV.
Other than that, it is high desert wilderness and mountains with pointy tops.
Wish you all were here.
john hauck
Ely, NV
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight West 2014 |
John,I wish """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Iwas there also !jjust had my 42nd
anniversary and my 63 birthday got married the day i turned 21.WHAT A WOMAN
.Have a great trip . your friend Chris
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:45 PM, "jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com"
wrote:
>
>
>Hi Folks:
>
>Miracles never cease to amaze me. I found a computer that works at the airport
in Ely, Nevada.
>
>Decided to celebrate my 75th year with another round trip across CONUS. Haven't
been through Monument Valley in 5 years, so decided to take the long way to
the next Kolb/Rock House Flyin near Burns Junction, Oregon. Departed Gantt International
Airport, Titus, Alabama, Sunday morning at 0800. After 8 hours of
flying, landed at Sherman, Texax, where I spent the night in the FOB. Another
8 hours of flying got me to Los Lunas, New Mexico, where I spent the night
with friends at Midland Airpark. They are also flying to the Rock House, Friday.
Yesterday I flew 4 hours and after the third attempt, got the Kolb MKIII on
the ground. Wished I had had a video camera. It was exciting. Landed in a
rain storm, unusual for MV, with extreme cross wind. Velocity, I do not know,
but don't want to do it again. Today I have flown 4 hours. I have another
2 hours to make Elko, Nevada, where I will dine at the Star Hotel, enjoy some
wonderful Basque food (I've
been here before), and sp!
>end the night with friends. Tomorrow will be an easy 2 hour flight across the
mountains to the Rock House. If I deviate to the east a little, there is a gravel
strip at Owyhee, NV. Other than that, it is high desert wilderness and
mountains with pointy tops.
>
>Wish you all were here.
>
>john hauck
>Ely, NV
>
>
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| From: | "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
> Putting a damper on a control surface should indeed help prevent flutter
> landed at Sherman, Texax, where I spent the night in the FOB.
While I imagine the night wasn't too bad, if I had known soon enough I would
have made a phone call. I'm a Texican in California but have people in
Sherman. Be nice to haul you out to the ranch for some good food and rest.
Stuart and Nick;
As I sit here totally removed from any resulting misadventure of my
technical ruminations, I give them to you freely, without charge.
Suppose some part of the aileron was used to move a disc in a closed
cylinder... an aluminum disc perhaps and maybe an aluminum cylinder... Such
a device would not 'seal' well and the moving disc would encounter very
little resistance to reciprocating movement within the cylinder, if the
period of the reciprocation approximated that of the intended use of the
system. However perhaps an oscillation excited by the aircraft's airflow
would have a much shorter period. Perhaps one short enough that said
cylinder and piston machination would tend to dampen the movement of the
aileron. Maybe to call this an "idea" is generous- maybe it is the sporadic
bio-electric misfiring that pass for thoughts generated by the decaying
detritus of this old man's brain.
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Wonder if R/C truck shocks would work if you took the spring off?
http://www.hobbyhot.com/RC-Model-Car-Aluminum-98mm-R-C-Hobby-Oil-Shock-Damper-2pcs-OS340.html
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | JOHN HAUCK 2014 TRIP WEST |
| From: | "kolbaircraft" <customersupport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com> |
MR John Hauck called yesterday morning from Monument Valley Utah . He had landed
there Tuesday the 9TH.He said the rest of the day he just relaxed and enjoyed
his time there. He was having a cup of coffee waiting for daylight to fly over
to Bryce Canyon for some fuel. Than he is on To Elko, NV and to The Rock House
for today the 11TH.. The trip is going great. The Kolb MIII is doing beautiful.
He flew 8 hours Sunday and another 8 hours Monday ,4 hours Tuesday . He
is having a wonderful trip in all aspects . He ask me to share this update with
the Kolb group, family,friends.
Travis
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| Subject: | Re: Flight West 2014 |
| From: | "kolbaircraft" <customersupport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com> |
MR John Hauck called yesterday morning from Monument Valley Utah . He had landed
there Tuesday the 9TH.He said the rest of the day he just relaxed and enjoyed
his time there. He was having a cup of coffee waiting for daylight to fly over
to Bryce Canyon for some fuel. Than he is on To Elko, NV and to The Rock House
for today the 11TH.. The trip is going great. The Kolb MIII is doing beautiful.
He flew 8 hours Sunday and another 8 hours Monday ,4 hours Tuesday . He
is having a wonderful trip in all aspects . He ask me to share this update with
the Kolb group, family,friends.
Travis
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| Subject: | rock house arrival |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
John just touched down at the rock house.
Larry
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
Here are some pictures.
Larry
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| Subject: | rock house arrival |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
List: I was trying to reduce the size of the pictures for John and screwed
up. Here are the reduced copies of the pictures that he wanted you to see.
Couldn't arouse the curmudgeon:-)
Larry
Hi Folks:
Larry didn't tell you I logged 3.5 landings upon my arrival at the Rock
House airstrip.
Great to be here. First internet I have had in some time.
I departed home Sunday and completed my flight West in 4.5 days. Flew
2,025 miles in 28.7 hours. These figures I am pulling off the top of my
head. Guessing I burned about 150.0 gal of fuel. Used zero oil. Had
absolutely no engine or aircraft problems. Well I did have one slight
problem I picked up and corrected during my preflight at Monument Valley
yesterday morning. I discovered a coolant hose clamp I had not snugged
tight enough when I replaced them prior to my flight West. Here's how my
flight time worked out day by day:
-Day One: 8.0
-Day Two: 8.0
-Day Three:4.0
-Day Four: 6.7
-Day Five: 2.0
Highest altitude was 12,400 feet right over the top of a mountain about 6.0
miles from Ely, NV, airport at about 6,500 ft. That's a lot of fun
dropping down the side of the mountain that quickly.
Weather is nice an cool out here and the humidity if extremely low. Feels
good to get out of the heat and humidity of the SE.
I'm very proud of my MKIII. I has done a great job getting me to the Rock
House safely. Wish I had had a video camera to record my approach to and
triple attempt to land at Monument Valley. That video would be a great
response to questions of how safe is the Kolb and how well does it handle
extreme weather. It did good.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, near Burns Junction, Oregon
---- Larry Cottrell wrote:
> John just touched down at the rock house.
> Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Flight West 2014 |
| From: | "Frankd" <FDucker(at)aol.com> |
Hi John/kolbers,
Way to go, John!!!
I am amazed... you are truly taking the saying "live life to the fullest" and
making it happen..
A few 8 hour days of flying is no small feat, I find I'm tired after flying my
kolb around for an hour or so... A long cross country would be a huge effort
for me but you just jump in and go!! Well done..
And I'm only 55.. OK I have a hip implant but still...
I think this is a testament to your continual improvement of your bird, you have
kept working on it to make it better and I am inspired to do the same, always
think of ways to improve and keep it in tip-top condition.
I carefully read all of your recommendations and think how I can use that information.
Thank you.
And thanks Homer, I am happy I have a KOLB which gives me the opportunity to experiment
and fly LSA, inexpensively, at the same time.. its a GREAT aircraft
for lots of things.
Have a great time and a safe trip home.
If you come by San Jose/Hollister in California you are welcome at my place anytime.
FrankD
Mk III Xtra,
N1014S
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| From: | <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight West 2014 |
Thanks for the kind comments, Frank D.
This flight has been one of the best. The MKIII was absolutely flawless. I did
have to tighten one radiator clamp that I failed to snug up when I replaced
the radiator hoses prior to this trip. The Rotax 912ULS never missed a beat.
I believe they get better after a few long flight days. Cleans them out and
loosens them up.
I have had an electrical problem bugging me for a few years now. Engine oil temp
and oil pressure gauges had a mind of their own. The bad thing was the oil
temp would read high and the pressure low after takeoff. I've had the instrument
panel off several times. Removed and replaced connections, checked wiring,
but never could get them to read correctly. Always....first thought is an engine
problem. After about the second day of this trip I noticed the gauges were
all pointing where they were supposed to be pointing, and they continued to
indicate as they should. Go figure...
Our Kolb group is getting larger at the Rock House. Most folks that are attending
will be arriving this week. Wish you all could be here to share the fun.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, Oregon
> Way to go, John!!!
> And thanks Homer, I am happy I have a KOLB which gives me the opportunity to
experiment and fly LSA, inexpensively, at the same time.. its a GREAT aircraft
for lots of things.
>
> Have a great time and a safe trip home.
> If you come by San Jose/Hollister in California you are welcome at my place anytime.
>
> FrankD
> Mk III Xtra,
> N1014S
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: rock house arrival |
johnh,
Congratulations on making the trip safely. I understand what 3, or even 4
attempts at landing in high gusty winds would be, but I don't know what
3.5 landing attempts is. Please explain
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
In a message dated 9/11/2014 9:22:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com writes:
Hi Folks:
Larry didn't tell you I logged 3.5 landings upon my arrival at the Rock
House airstrip.
Great to be here. First internet I have had in some time.
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| From: | <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: rock house arrival |
3.5? I don't know if I understand myself.
I know for sure I bounced 3 times. ;-)
john h
mkIII
Burns Junction, OR
---- WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com wrote:
> johnh,
>
> Congratulations on making the trip safely. I understand what 3, or even 4
> attempts at landing in high gusty winds would be, but I don't know what
> 3.5 landing attempts is. Please explain
>
>
> Bill Varnes
> Original Kolb FireStar
> Audubon NJ
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/11/2014 9:22:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com writes:
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> Larry didn't tell you I logged 3.5 landings upon my arrival at the Rock
> House airstrip.
>
> Great to be here. First internet I have had in some time.
>
>
>
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| From: | "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 09/14/14 |
> that is what is known as 3 landings for the price of one
You should do this often, and bank them. Then if something awful happens
aloft, just play one of your saved landings card and you're good. Like maybe
you fell asleep flying and woke to find yourself surrounded by swirling
mists, having been sucked up into a nimbus-cumulous.. rising so fast you
can't dive out of it.
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| Subject: | Re: rock house arrival |
| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
Any pictures or news from the Rock House?
Sittin' here at work wishin' I was there!
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West1m
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| From: | <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: rock house arrival |
News from the Rock House.
We have 14 folks here. The are aircraft numbers are lower than normal. We have
3 Kolbs (a MKIII, 2 Firestars, 2 Just Highlanders).
Everybody is having a good time. Weather is normal for this time of the year,
calm in the morning, with wind in the afternoon.
This morning we flew down to Owyhee Reservoir State Airport, a dirt strip at the
south end of Owyhee Reservoir. About an hour down the beautiful Owyhee River
Canyon, then direct home. The air is full of smoke and difficult to see. Also
has gotten hot again.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, Oregon
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| Subject: | Rock House video |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
https://vimeo.com/106355155
Password - owyheeflyer
OK, here is the first installment. We have had 14 people so far with 3
Kolbs, 2 Highlanders, one Murphy Rebel. We may still have a few others join
us. Its been great fun, with way too much food. The wives all chip in with
the cooking and sometimes even a few of the guy's help clean up.
Tomorrow is kids day with the neighbor kids coming over for their flights.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Rock House video |
| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
I seem to be missing the video:(
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West1m
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
https://vimeo.com/106420402
password- owyheeflyer
A little trip to Rome and back.
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| Subject: | Re: Rock House video |
| From: | "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com> |
I want to see the video...... [Crying or Very sad]
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Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
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| Subject: | Re: 5 rib firestar |
| From: | "flyingfischead" <flyingfischead(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello 5 rib- This is a little late but I've not been on the site for a while. Anyway,
I purchased a 5 rib Firestar restoration project a couple years ago and
thought I would repower it from a 447 to a 503. While I had it stripped down
to the frame, I took it by the new Kolb factory for some updates and asked the
question about the 503 exchange. Their recommendation-don't do it. Having the
extra power load on the frame is very stressful. The steel tube that the engine
mounts to had a wall thickness thin enough to help with holding down weight
to stay 103. When at full power in a climb, all of a sudden you fly into a thermal
and really bump the strain on the mounting tube which could fold up. That's
the explanation Dennis at Kolb gave me and after hearing that-made sense.
I'm staying with the 447 but I have other issues with that engine I'm trying to
figure out. The pull starter does not pull thru as it should. Feels like it
has way to much compression and just bumps from stroke to stroke not able to spin
it up. Any ideas welcome.
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| From: | <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 5 rib firestar |
Either you have some extra drag on the pull rope, or you need to visit the local
gym.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
---- flyingfischead wrote:
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> Hello 5 rib- This is a little late but I've not been on the site for a while.
Anyway, I purchased a 5 rib Firestar restoration project a couple years ago and
thought I would repower it from a 447 to a 503. While I had it stripped down
to the frame, I took it by the new Kolb factory for some updates and asked the
question about the 503 exchange. Their recommendation-don't do it. Having the
extra power load on the frame is very stressful. The steel tube that the engine
mounts to had a wall thickness thin enough to help with holding down weight
to stay 103. When at full power in a climb, all of a sudden you fly into a
thermal and really bump the strain on the mounting tube which could fold up. That's
the explanation Dennis at Kolb gave me and after hearing that-made sense.
I'm staying with the 447 but I have other issues with that engine I'm trying
to figure out. The pull starter does not pull thru as it should. Feels like it
has way to much compression and just bumps from str
o!
> ke to stroke not able to spin it up. Any ideas welcome.
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 5 rib firestar |
Pull the plugs to see if it is something other than the engine at
fault..Herb
On 09/20/2014 05:51 PM, jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com wrote:
>
> Either you have some extra drag on the pull rope, or you need to visit the local
gym.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
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> ---- flyingfischead wrote:
>>
>> Hello 5 rib- This is a little late but I've not been on the site for a while.
Anyway, I purchased a 5 rib Firestar restoration project a couple years ago
and thought I would repower it from a 447 to a 503. While I had it stripped down
to the frame, I took it by the new Kolb factory for some updates and asked
the question about the 503 exchange. Their recommendation-don't do it. Having
the extra power load on the frame is very stressful. The steel tube that the engine
mounts to had a wall thickness thin enough to help with holding down weight
to stay 103. When at full power in a climb, all of a sudden you fly into a
thermal and really bump the strain on the mounting tube which could fold up.
That's the explanation Dennis at Kolb gave me and after hearing that-made sense.
I'm staying with the 447 but I have other issues with that engine I'm trying
to figure out. The pull starter does not pull thru as it should. Feels like
it has way to much compression and just bumps from str
> o!
>> ke to stroke not able to spin it up. Any ideas welcome.
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| Subject: | Re: 5 rib firestar |
| From: | "flyingfischead" <flyingfischead(at)yahoo.com> |
well I attend the gym regularly with my Marine buddies who also have a hard time
pulling the engine thru. With the plugs out, it pulls easy like it should. I
had a 503 for 20 years and it never pulled like this. The pull starter was removed
and checked out fine. Pistons look good as they should thru the exhaust
ports. Put the plugs back in and major compression.
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| Subject: | Re: 5 rib firestar |
| From: | "Ducati SS" <hiwingflyer6219(at)yahoo.com> |
Do you know the history of this engine? When was it last run? If the engine sat
without proper storage procedures the pistons may have corroded, sticking the
rings. If the rings of both cylinders are stuck the rope will be quite hard to
pull. There will be no noticeable compression events, just a steady hard pull.
Pull the exhaust, use a light, rotate engine and inspect the piston and rings.
I have seen the pistons white with corrosion and completely ruined after just
1 season of neglected storage.
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| Subject: | Kolbra Cruisin' in South Texas |
| From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
Kolbers,
I shot this very unprofessional video yesterday of my Kolbra cruising along at
90 - 95 mph straight & level as I flew her through a light rain shower for a bath.
I have had a lot of fun with the Kolbra the last 10 months, did a lot of
minor repairs, radio work, & rigging changes. I've put about 50 hrs on her in
that time & I have sold her to a fellow in Virginia. He should be picking her
up within the next few weeks & I will introduce him to the Kolb List once he gets
her home. The 912UL 80 hp has plenty of power and has been an unbelievable
performance difference compared to my old Firestar with the HKS. However, the
Kolbra is not nearly as nimble as the Firestar was and requires a much wider
turning radius. I have enjoyed the 2 Kolbs I've owned and I have no doubt I'll
own another one some day.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVx9ppASfm4&feature=youtu.be
Enjoy,
Jimmy Y
Houston TX
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| Subject: | Re: 5 rib firestar |
| From: | "Thumper" <dlong1957(at)yahoo.com> |
Well do you have a prop on it? I once had a Hirth F33 single cylinder that no
one could pull through, no one. With plug removed it pulled fine. Called Rec
Power and he asked me that same question, we thought he was nuts. But we installed
the prop and it pulled through just fine and started right up. Ran great
till I sold it. Guess the prop weight acts like a flywheel and helps with
overcoming the next compression stroke. Try reattaching the prop and see what
happens? Just an idea.
Dennis
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Dennis Long
Oakland TN
2000 Aeroprakt A20 Vista Cruiser
Previously Kolb Mark IIIC, 94 Firestar, 84 Ultrastar.
700+hours since 1/1/2009
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbra Cruisin' in South Texas |
| From: | "Larlaeb" <larlaeb(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Jimmy,
Was fun flying with you along side in my MKIII from time to time.
Allan
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
I re-installed my HKS on my Kolb Firestar after testing a 503 that I had
acquired. I neglected to re-install my HACman system from Green Sky. I also
left off the tubes from the chamber vent ports. This of course force fed
the carbs. I flew to the top of the Steen's Mtn, or rather attempted to.
https://vimeo.com/104478744
password- Owyheeflyer
The engine was running rough, EGT's Dropped to 940 or less, could not
maintain rpm's and finally had to drop off the Mtn at 9600 feet. My RPM's
Dropped to 5400 at that altitude with full throttle.
I re-installed the HACman from Jerry and finally got the time to fly. It
was pretty overcast with smoke from the California fires. I had a bit of
trouble with my camera having enough light to give a clear picture.
My best climb speed is 50 MPH, and I averaged 500 FPM to 10,100 feet MSL
That is a climb of 6100 feet. It took me 23 minutes to climb. The HACman
allowed me to maintain 1230 EGT, engine rpm's remained at 5750 RPM's.
Engine CHT was 315 degrees.
At 10100, I cut the engine and did a dead stick landing. It took me 10
minutes to touch down at a descent speed of 40 MPH. I also checked my stall
speed at 10,000 feet and it was 29 MPH.
The engine never seemed to bog down and ran just like it should. I can't
say enough about Jerry @Green sky Adventures for the help he has given me.
Of course my little Kolb Firestar II completes the picture.
After landing I restarted the engine and after it warmed up, took off again
and flew around the area for a bit for a total flight time of 54 minutes. I
burned 1.75 gallons of fuel for the entire flight.
https://vimeo.com/106739407
password - owyheeflyer
Larry
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| From: | "George T. Alexander, Jr." <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
Make the password for the first video a lower case o . Works
fine.
Thanks Larry!
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Cottrell
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 2:11 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: HACman test
I re-installed my HKS on my Kolb Firestar after testing a 503 that I had
acquired. I neglected to re-install my HACman system from Green Sky. I
also left off the tubes from the chamber vent ports. This of course
force fed the carbs. I flew to the top of the Steen's Mtn, or rather
attempted to.
https://vimeo.com/104478744 password-
Owyheeflyer
The engine was running rough, EGT's Dropped to 940 or less, could not
maintain rpm's and finally had to drop off the Mtn at 9600 feet. My
RPM's Dropped to 5400 at that altitude with full throttle.
I re-installed the HACman from Jerry and finally got the time to fly. It
was pretty overcast with smoke from the California fires. I had a bit of
trouble with my camera having enough light to give a clear picture.
My best climb speed is 50 MPH, and I averaged 500 FPM to 10,100 feet MSL
That is a climb of 6100 feet. It took me 23 minutes to climb. The HACman
allowed me to maintain 1230 EGT, engine rpm's remained at 5750 RPM's.
Engine CHT was 315 degrees.
At 10100, I cut the engine and did a dead stick landing. It took me 10
minutes to touch down at a descent speed of 40 MPH. I also checked my
stall speed at 10,000 feet and it was 29 MPH.
The engine never seemed to bog down and ran just like it should. I can't
say enough about Jerry @Green sky Adventures for the help he has given
me. Of course my little Kolb Firestar II completes the picture.
After landing I restarted the engine and after it warmed up, took off
again and flew around the area for a bit for a total flight time of 54
minutes. I burned 1.75 gallons of fuel for the entire flight.
https://vimeo.com/106739407 password - owyheeflyer
Larry
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
George T. Alexander, Jr.
1:06 PM (36 minutes ago)
to kolb-list
Make the password for the first video a lower case o . Works fine.
Thanks Larry!
Thanks George, must have been the hypoxia.
all small case will do it.
Larry
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 1:06 PM, George T. Alexander, Jr. <
gtalexander(at)att.net> wrote:
> Make the password for the first video a lower case o . Works fine.
>
> Thanks Larry!
>
>
> *From:* owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Larry Cottrell
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 21, 2014 2:11 PM
> *To:* undisclosed-recipients:
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: HACman test
>
>
> I re-installed my HKS on my Kolb Firestar after testing a 503 that I had
> acquired. I neglected to re-install my HACman system from Green Sky. I also
> left off the tubes from the chamber vent ports. This of course force fed
> the carbs. I flew to the top of the Steen's Mtn, or rather attempted to.
>
>
> https://vimeo.com/104478744
>
> password- Owyheeflyer
>
>
> The engine was running rough, EGT's Dropped to 940 or less, could not
> maintain rpm's and finally had to drop off the Mtn at 9600 feet. My RPM's
> Dropped to 5400 at that altitude with full throttle.
>
>
> I re-installed the HACman from Jerry and finally got the time to fly. It
> was pretty overcast with smoke from the California fires. I had a bit of
> trouble with my camera having enough light to give a clear picture.
>
>
> My best climb speed is 50 MPH, and I averaged 500 FPM to 10,100 feet MSL
> That is a climb of 6100 feet. It took me 23 minutes to climb. The HACman
> allowed me to maintain 1230 EGT, engine rpm's remained at 5750 RPM's.
> Engine CHT was 315 degrees.
>
>
> At 10100, I cut the engine and did a dead stick landing. It took me 10
> minutes to touch down at a descent speed of 40 MPH. I also checked my stall
> speed at 10,000 feet and it was 29 MPH.
>
>
> The engine never seemed to bog down and ran just like it should. I can't
> say enough about Jerry @Green sky Adventures for the help he has given me.
> Of course my little Kolb Firestar II completes the picture.
>
>
> After landing I restarted the engine and after it warmed up, took off
> again and flew around the area for a bit for a total flight time of 54
> minutes. I burned 1.75 gallons of fuel for the entire flight.
>
>
> https://vimeo.com/106739407
>
> password - owyheeflyer
>
>
> Larry
>
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
I have an old Firestar, with a 447sc, "B" box 2.58, and a two blade Warp prop.
I have had a little trouble tracing a gas leak on the Bing 54. When idling
at 1600 rpm, the engine shakes pretty good, and will shudder. At this point,
gas drips from the bottom of the bowl. I changed the bowl gasket- looked a little
crushed. The gas line clamp was a little too big, leaving a flat spot when
it wasn't compressed in a full circle. The idle air screw "O" ring was a
little loose. Fixed both problems. Could the low idle be shaking the floats
enough that gas is just overflowing? I can't get really close enough to check
it running, with the fan there and all that. The engine also starts right up
with the enricher, but I have to play with the throttle to keep it that way for
a few seconds. I think that is normal.
At 2000 rpm, very smooth, no vibration or shaking, and I don't see gas until
I slow it down to shut it down.
Ideas, anyone?
Bill Sullivan
Windsor
Locks, Ct.
original
FS, 447
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| From: | "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
yes the fuel can shake and come out the float bowl vent into the inlet of t
he carb. it usually will drip from the bottom of the air cleaner. and so
mewhere I have seen a drip tray that can be added to keep that from happeni
ng.... I don=99t remember where I have seen it.... but if idling fa
ster will eliminate the problem... that is your answer. my throttle stop i
s set lower because the enrichener works better at a more closed setting,
but as soon as it is started, I idle at no less than 1800 but usually clo
ser to 2000.the gear box likes it better there . if the inside of the air c
leaner is dry and the float bowl is wet, I am not sure where you could be
having a problem... if you take the carb off and cap the inlet and outlet
and with very light pressure blow into the fuel inlet and see if you can d
etermine any leaks. depending on where a leak may be, it could cause you
to run lean.
good luck
boyd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Could the low idle be shaking the floats enough that gas is just overflowin
g?
Bill
Sullivan
Wind
sor Locks, Ct.
ori
ginal FS, 447
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| From: | Samuel Briseno <litefly(at)att.net> |
You don't have a leak. You idle at start up is too low. Besides dripping gas
out of the overflow, your wrecking your gear box. Min. rpm should be 1800- 2
000 as has already been suggested.
> On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:57 PM, william sullivan w
rote:
>
> I have an old Firestar, with a 447sc, "B" box 2.58, and a two blade Warp
prop. I have had a little trouble tracing a gas leak on the Bing 54. When
idling at 1600 rpm, the engine shakes pretty good, and will shudder. At th
is point, gas drips from the bottom of the bowl. I changed the bowl gasket-
looked a little crushed. The gas line clamp was a little too big, leaving a
flat spot when it wasn't compressed in a full circle. The idle air screw "
O" ring was a little loose. Fixed both problems. Could the low idle be sha
king the floats enough that gas is just overflowing? I can't get really clo
se enough to check it running, with the fan there and all that. The engine a
lso starts right up with the enricher, but I have to play with the throttle t
o keep it that way for a few seconds. I think that is normal.
> At 2000 rpm, very smooth, no vibration or shaking, and I don't see gas u
ntil I slow it down to shut it down.
> Ideas, anyone?
>
> Bil
l Sullivan
> Win
dsor Locks, Ct.
> or
iginal FS, 447
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| From: | Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com> |
I like landing in a short field but my roll out is very long and my prop gets
green stuff all over it and needs re building every time I take off from there
I have already taken off the breaks because I cant find a good way to keep the
grass from getting clogged in them and beefed up the pito tube so it wont
get ripped off by the grass coming over the nose cone any moo.r any suggestions
on how to shorten up my ground rol.l
Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
http://michigansportpilotrepair.com/
LSRM-A, PPC, WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport.
(989)513-3022
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 9/23/2014 12:58:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
williamtsullivan(at)att.net writes:
When idling at 1600 rpm, the engine shakes pretty good, and will shudder.
Hi Bill,
Are you getting your FireStar ready to fly?
As some others have already pointed out, I think your idle RPM is way too
low. I have mine set at 2100 RPM and it idles really smooth. However, it
does cause hard starting because the enrichener jet (choke) doesn't work
well, if at all, at the higher idle setting.
I installed a primer system that directs fuel to the carb. (not the primer
Bulb), but found out that it doesn't work so well for me either. When the
plane sits for a week or so between flights, most of the fuel in the
primer line leaks back into the fuel tank. So when I push/pull the primer knob,
I can never tell whether it is sending fuel to the carb. or not. I
usually end up flooding it.
My current procedure to start is to first use the primer Bulb to bring
fuel up from the tank to the float bowl. Then I turn the idle screw back two
turns, apply the enrichener and pull until it starts. I then use the
throttle to vary the RPM until it gets warmed up and then shut it down. Go back
and turn the idle screw back to its original position. Restart and go
flying.
Hope this helps,
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
(First flight 1994 years)
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
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| From: | <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Been a while, but I believe I set low idle on my 447 at 1600. Once started on
the enricher, immediately idled up to 2000. That took all the rattle out of the
gear box. Kept at 2000 with throttle.
john
---- WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 9/23/2014 12:58:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> williamtsullivan(at)att.net writes:
>
> When idling at 1600 rpm, the engine shakes pretty good, and will shudder.
>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Are you getting your FireStar ready to fly?
>
> As some others have already pointed out, I think your idle RPM is way too
> low. I have mine set at 2100 RPM and it idles really smooth. However, it
> does cause hard starting because the enrichener jet (choke) doesn't work
> well, if at all, at the higher idle setting.
>
> I installed a primer system that directs fuel to the carb. (not the primer
> Bulb), but found out that it doesn't work so well for me either. When the
> plane sits for a week or so between flights, most of the fuel in the
> primer line leaks back into the fuel tank. So when I push/pull the primer knob,
> I can never tell whether it is sending fuel to the carb. or not. I
> usually end up flooding it.
>
> My current procedure to start is to first use the primer Bulb to bring
> fuel up from the tank to the float bowl. Then I turn the idle screw back two
> turns, apply the enrichener and pull until it starts. I then use the
> throttle to vary the RPM until it gets warmed up and then shut it down. Go
back
> and turn the idle screw back to its original position. Restart and go
> flying.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Bill Varnes
> Original Kolb FireStar
> (First flight 1994 years)
> Audubon NJ
> Do Not Archive
>
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| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: long rool out |
Man, I would cut the grass, but that won't help shorten your roll outs.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, Rotax 670,
Leechburg, PA
> On Sep 23, 2014, at 4:05 PM, Malcolm Brubaker wrot
e:
>
> I like landing in a short field but my roll out is very long and my prop
gets green stuff all over it and needs re building every time I take off fr
om there I have already taken off the breaks because I cant find a good way t
o keep the grass from getting clogged in them and beefed up the pito tube s
o it wont get ripped off by the grass coming over the nose cone any moo.r
any suggestions on how to shorten up my ground rol.l
> Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
> Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
> http://michigansportpilotrepair.com/
> LSRM-A, PPC, WS
> Great Sails - Sailmaker
> for Ultralight & Light Sport.
> (989)513-3022
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: long rool out |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
It could cut down on the repairs however. Just how tall is this "grass"?
Maybe you could give demo's on how to land in cornfield or Bean fields.
Larry
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Dennis Rowe
wrote:
> Man, I would cut the grass, but that won't help shorten your roll outs.
>
> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> Mk3, Rotax 670,
> Leechburg, PA
>
>
> On Sep 23, 2014, at 4:05 PM, Malcolm Brubaker
> wrote:
>
> I like landing in a short field but my roll out is very long and my prop
> gets green stuff all over it and needs re building every time I take off
> from there I have already taken off the breaks because I cant find a good
> way to keep the grass from getting clogged in them and beefed up the pito
> tube so it wont get ripped off by the grass coming over the nose cone
> any moo.r any suggestions on how to shorten up my ground rol.l
> Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
> Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
> http://michigansportpilotrepair.com/
> LSRM-A, PPC, WS
> Great Sails - Sailmaker
> for Ultralight & Light Sport.
> (989)513-3022
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| From: | "Ducati SS" <hiwingflyer6219(at)yahoo.com> |
I suspect that due to the low idle speed and shaking some fuel is splashing around
and exiting the atmospheric vents. The carb relies on atmospheric pressure
to push the fuel up thru the jets to the lower pressure area of the venturi.
So there are ports that allow atmospheric pressure directly into the float chamber.
The problem may be aggravated by a higher than normal fuel level if the
floats and inlet needle are bouncing and allowing fuel past the valve. Do not
let the engine shake like that, not only is it bad for the gear box but it will
fatigue, damage and wear engine parts as well.
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| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: long rool out |
Just realized this original post has to be a joke, seriously, grass over the
nosecone and wrecking the prop on every take off? No way. Not to mention a l
ong run out in this jungle in any Kolb? Mine stops in 200 feet of short gras
s almost every time.
We've been had.=F0=9F=98=9C
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, Rotax 670,
Leechburg, PA
> On Sep 23, 2014, at 8:31 PM, Larry Cottrell wrot
e:
>
> It could cut down on the repairs however. Just how tall is this "grass"? M
aybe you could give demo's on how to land in cornfield or Bean fields.
> Larry
>
>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Dennis Rowe w
rote:
>> Man, I would cut the grass, but that won't help shorten your roll outs.
>>
>> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
>> Mk3, Rotax 670,
>> Leechburg, PA
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 23, 2014, at 4:05 PM, Malcolm Brubaker wr
ote:
>>>
>>> I like landing in a short field but my roll out is very long and my pr
op gets green stuff all over it and needs re building every time I take off f
rom there I have already taken off the breaks because I cant find a good way
to keep the grass from getting clogged in them and beefed up the pito tube
so it wont get ripped off by the grass coming over the nose cone any moo.
r any suggestions on how to shorten up my ground rol.l
>>> Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
>>> Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
>>> http://michigansportpilotrepair.com/
>>> LSRM-A, PPC, WS
>>> Great Sails - Sailmaker
>>> for Ultralight & Light Sport.
>>> (989)513-3022
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| From: | <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Time to head back to hauck's holler and Gantt International Airport. Hope to finish
loading and take off in the morning.
Route of flight will be:
Rock House, OR
Buhl, ID
Paris, ID
Rawlins, WY
Akron, WY
Goodland, KS
Great Bend, KS
El Dorado, KS
Neosho, MO
Clinton, AR (?)
Clarksdale, MS
Starkville, MS
Gantt IAP, AL
1870 sm/24.0 flight hours/120 gal gas
Should make it in 4 days. I did two years ago. Weather looks OK, with wind, blowing
the wrong direction, in Kansas. Not as much wind in Arkansas, Mississippi,
and Alabama, but blowing the wrong way.
All systems are working well on the MKIII.
Will try to keep you all updated on my progress as time and FBO computers become
available.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
Rock House, Oregon
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| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Heading Home |
Safe travels.
Donotarchive
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, Rotax 670,
Leechburg, PA
> On Sep 24, 2014, at 12:08 AM, wrote:
>
>
> Time to head back to hauck's holler and Gantt International Airport. Hope to
finish loading and take off in the morning.
>
> Route of flight will be:
>
> Rock House, OR
> Buhl, ID
> Paris, ID
> Rawlins, WY
> Akron, WY
> Goodland, KS
> Great Bend, KS
> El Dorado, KS
> Neosho, MO
> Clinton, AR (?)
> Clarksdale, MS
> Starkville, MS
> Gantt IAP, AL
>
> 1870 sm/24.0 flight hours/120 gal gas
>
> Should make it in 4 days. I did two years ago. Weather looks OK, with wind,
blowing the wrong direction, in Kansas. Not as much wind in Arkansas, Mississippi,
and Alabama, but blowing the wrong way.
>
> All systems are working well on the MKIII.
>
> Will try to keep you all updated on my progress as time and FBO computers become
available.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Rock House, Oregon
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: long rool out |
LOL Yes it was But this is no Joke, today we are delivering another fir
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, this makes just another plane I have had around that I have not had the
experience of flying , I suppose it is like Dick Rayhill once told me when
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ding in a short field but my roll out is very long and my prop gets green
stuff all over it and needs re building every time I take off from there I
have already taken off the breaks because I cant find a good way to keep th
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
John left this morning for points East. Fair winds!
Larry
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| From: | David Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Eastward bound |
Golly, John, how'd you keep it so shiny for so many miles and so much
desert time??? Have a safe and enjoyable flight home.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
On 9/24/2014 10:24 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> John left this morning for points East. Fair winds!
> Larry
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| From: | Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 09/24/14 |
Great John. Hope you have a great flight home to Hauck's holler, etc. Always
wonderful to hear about
your trips.
Any one know if there will be a gathering at Kolb (London, KY) this Fall???
Bob G
MKIIIX N830PB
> On Sep 24, 2014, at 12:08 AM, wrote:
> Time to head back to hauck's holler and Gantt International Airport. Hope to
finish loading and take off in the morning.
> Route of flight will be:
> Rock House, OR
> Buhl, ID
> Paris, ID
> Rawlins, WY
> Akron, WY
> Goodland, KS
> Great Bend, KS
> El Dorado, KS
> Neosho, MO
> Clinton, AR (?)
> Clarksdale, MS
> Starkville, MS
> Gantt IAP, AL
>
> 1870 sm/24.0 flight hours/120 gal gas
>
> Should make it in 4 days. I did two years ago. Weather looks OK, with wind,
blowing the wrong direction, in Kansas. Not as much wind in Arkansas, Mississippi,
and Alabama, but blowing the wrong way.
>
> All systems are working well on the MKIII.
>
> Will try to keep you all updated on my progress as time and FBO computers become
available.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Rock House, Oregon
>
>
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| From: | "Michael Velemirov" <mvelemirov(at)neo.rr.com> |
Subject: 503 muffler.
I am looking for a muffler for a 503 rotax. Mine has cracks in the
expansion chamber and My weld shop/moto cross shop said it was too far gone.
I'm looking for a used one at a reasonable price or a shop that can rebuild
(replace exhaust chamber) mine. I'm open to suggestions.
Mike Velemirov
Twinstar MK II
Akron, Ohio
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Miss P'fer Is Home |
Departed El Dorado, KS, this morning. Landed at Gantt IAP, AL, at 1834.
Sun set was 1836. Logged 9.5 hours today. Would have taken an additional
day, but weather is moving into the SE tonight and for the next 3 days. Did
not want to take a chance on getting hung out at some lonely airport for a
few days.
Had a great flight out and back. Will post some pics and more info later.
I'm beat. ;-)
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Miss P'fer Is Home |
| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
Great to hear you made it home safe.
Hope you had a wonderful time!
I can't wait to see some of your pictures.
--------
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Flight West 2014 Numbers |
Hi Folks:
Had a great flight to the Rock House. Airplane and pilot did good. No
problems.
Total trip duration: 21 days (4 west and 4 east)
63.2 total flight hours: 28.7 west
27.0 east
7.5 local at Rock House
294.2 gal fuel (primarily 100LL)
Fuel cost: $1,825.17
Did not have to add any oil (zero oil usage). Did change oil, 3 qts and a
filter, at the Rock House.
Averaged 5.0 GPH west/5.5 east. Cruised 5,000 rpm west/5,200/5,300 rpm
east.
Flew 4,637.9 miles: 2,040.3 west
1,997.6 east
600.0 local @ Rock House
Had good weather entire flight, but pushed headwinds west and east.
Headwinds on long cross country flights tend to wear one down. Tailwinds
make us smile.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Flight West Photos |
Howdy:
Day three found me approaching Monument Valley from the SE. Did not look
good and it wasn't. Should have loitered to the south until the weather
moved out of Goulding's, but I got impatient and pushed my way in. Was
raining pretty hard, extremely windy with typical MV wind gusts. On my 3d
attempt to land, I made it.
Was cold, wet, and windy. Good to be on the ground at one of my favorite
places. First time I had flown into MV since 2009.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Flight West 2014 |
Think I am still unwinding from my flight west.
In the Wichita, Tx, area, I planned a stop at Kickapoo Airport to take a
break. However, as I got closer to Kickapoo, I realized it was very busy.
Decided to land at Danaher Airport a few miles SW of Kickapoo. During my
approach I realized this old airport hadn't been used in a while. The
asphalt was crumbling and the weeds were growing. Did not realize the
history of this airport and the owner until I got home. Check it out.
http://airportjournals.com/tom-danaher-not-an-average-pilot/ Also check out
the unique quarters on top of the hanger.
The Grumman Goose, noted in the article, could be seen in the first hanger
through the dirty window. I didn't take a picture of it. Had I know it's
history, I would have.
Amazing how big the wind mills are in Texas.
Canyon de Chelly in Arizona, near the Navajo town of Chinle. Canyon de
Chelly was home to the Anasazi.
I flew in the following states:
Alabama
Mississippi
Louisiana
Arkansas
Texas
New Mexico
Arizona
Utah
Nevada
Oregon
Idaho
Wyoming
Colorado
Kansas
Missouri
And, of course, all my flights originate at Gantt International Airport, 750
feet long. For years it was 600 feet. Then I started stretching it out.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight West 2014 |
Wow
Donotarchive
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, Rotax 670,
Leechburg, PA
> On Oct 1, 2014, at 9:54 AM, "John Hauck" wrote:
>
> Think I am still unwinding from my flight west.
>
> In the Wichita, Tx, area, I planned a stop at Kickapoo Airport to take a
> break. However, as I got closer to Kickapoo, I realized it was very busy.
> Decided to land at Danaher Airport a few miles SW of Kickapoo. During my
> approach I realized this old airport hadn't been used in a while. The
> asphalt was crumbling and the weeds were growing. Did not realize the
> history of this airport and the owner until I got home. Check it out.
> http://airportjournals.com/tom-danaher-not-an-average-pilot/ Also check out
> the unique quarters on top of the hanger.
>
> The Grumman Goose, noted in the article, could be seen in the first hanger
> through the dirty window. I didn't take a picture of it. Had I know it's
> history, I would have.
>
> Amazing how big the wind mills are in Texas.
>
> Canyon de Chelly in Arizona, near the Navajo town of Chinle. Canyon de
> Chelly was home to the Anasazi.
>
> I flew in the following states:
>
> Alabama
> Mississippi
> Louisiana
> Arkansas
> Texas
> New Mexico
> Arizona
> Utah
> Nevada
> Oregon
> Idaho
> Wyoming
> Colorado
> Kansas
> Missouri
>
> And, of course, all my flights originate at Gantt International Airport, 750
> feet long. For years it was 600 feet. Then I started stretching it out.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight West 2014 |
| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
Your pictures are awesome!
Thanks for sharing.
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Hastings, MN
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| Subject: | New definition of STUPID! |
| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
This is why you should ALWAYS put the safety pins in the roll pins that hold the
wings on. I just put the wings up and slid the pins in the slots long enough
to adjust the aileron linkage before putting it on a trailer to haul to the airport.
Looking good Right? Been sitting in my garage for quite a while wonder
how it runs? It ran great for a while!
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Hastings, MN
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| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: New definition of STUPID! |
Oh that's a tough one! So sorry for your misfortune, that's one good looking Fly.
Donotarchive
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, Rotax 670,
Leechburg, PA
> On Oct 2, 2014, at 11:22 AM, "west1m" wrote:
>
>
> This is why you should ALWAYS put the safety pins in the roll pins that hold
the wings on. I just put the wings up and slid the pins in the slots long enough
to adjust the aileron linkage before putting it on a trailer to haul to the
airport. Looking good Right? Been sitting in my garage for quite a while wonder
how it runs? It ran great for a while!
>
> --------
> West1m
> Hastings, MN
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New definition of STUPID! |
| From: | kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
West -- you have the sypmathy of all the List-ers. We've all done thins lke this
but often get away with it. Tough break, sorry to read about it. BTW I think
those are Clevis pins not roll pins
On Oct 2, 2014, at 11:22 AM, west1m wrote:
>
> This is why you should ALWAYS put the safety pins in the roll pins that hold
the wings on. I just put the wings up and slid the pins in the slots long enough
to adjust the aileron linkage before putting it on a trailer to haul to the
airport. Looking good Right? Been sitting in my garage for quite a while wonder
how it runs? It ran great for a while!
>
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> Hastings, MN
>
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| Subject: | Re: New definition of STUPID! |
| From: | "Rick Lewis" <cktman(at)wildblue.net> |
well holey crap on this. A simple mistake and just look. Thank you for
sharing this with us.
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Flight West 2014 |
| From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
John,
I found the link did not get me to the story about Tom Danaher but I found it with
a search.
http://www.texomashomepage.com/story/d/story/services-held-for-aviation-legend-tom-danaher/38127/eeq8Af2GMEORuGQw8srAFw
Thanks for the photos & the recap of your flight -
Jimmy Y
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| Subject: | Re: New definition of STUPID! |
Wow, It looks like there was a whole lot of excitement for a short period of time.
Sorry this happened to you.
Jason
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| Subject: | Re: New definition of STUPID! |
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Welcome to the club. My screw ups started back in 1984, after I finished building
my Ultrastar. I have been consistent since then. Hopefully, one of these
days I'll wake up, double and triple check stuff before I hit the go button.
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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: New definition of STUPID! |
I am very sorry that you had to pay such a price for a moments inattention.
"The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune!".
But not stupid, just a human mistake. I seriously doubt that you are in any
way stupid. I find that as I age I have to change/build new habits to
compensate for my lack of short-term memory.
Like everybody here I could tell stories of my own mistakes, but I won't
because.. ah.. because I don't have pictures! :-)
GeoB
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| From: | David Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net> |
| Subject: | New definition of STUPID! |
I'm sorry, too, for the damage to your beautiful 'Fly. However,
sometimes Providence smiles on us and our payment isn't nearly as great
as it may have been! I guess it's time to own up to my own "stupid"
experience...
When I first took possession of the FlagFly, one day I was taking off
and landing between short flights where I'd make an adjustment here and
there. I didn't preflight before each flight, as I'd preflighted before
I began. After one flight I was going over the result and discovered
that after dropping a wing and re-setting it I had put the clevis into
place and took off without the safety pin! I assure you that will get
your attention for years after the "what if's" are thoroughly drilled
into your mind.
For the wise, life itself is a learning experience, so we can all
benefit from our "stupid" mistakes. Keep us informed of your repair
progress.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
On 10/3/2014 6:09 PM, George Bearden wrote:
>
> I am very sorry that you had to pay such a price for a moments
> inattention. "The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune!".
>
> But not stupid, just a human mistake. I seriously doubt that you are
> in any way stupid. I find that as I age I have to change/build new
> habits to compensate for my lack of short-term memory.
>
> Like everybody here I could tell stories of my own mistakes, but I
> won't because.. ah.. because I don't have pictures! :-)
>
> GeoB
>
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| Subject: | Re: New definition of STUPID! |
| From: | "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com> |
My story is forgetting my seatbelt in my open cockpit powered parachute. I unbuckled
after doing my preflight to go move the parachute and my mind already "checked
off" the seatbelt part of my routine. Nothing bad happened but it could
have been pretty bad. It happens to everyone but I remember to check things more
closely now and that's what's important.
Wes
"One day I will own and fly a Kolb"
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Sport Pilot-PPC
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| Subject: | 503 on Firestar 1 |
| From: | "GeoB" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I'm wondering if anyone, or how many folks are running a 503 on the original Firestar.
I did read the msg about Kolb suggesting not.
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GeoB
"Members of Congress should be compelled to wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers,
so we could identify their corporate sponsors"
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| Subject: | Re: Flight West 2014 |
| From: | "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com> |
What a life! It always amazes me how much some people have done. I was in Wichita
Falls for a little while in the Air Force. I am sure if I lived their longer
I would have heard of this man as it seems he was very well known. Thanks for
sharing John.
Wes
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| From: | "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 10/03/14 |
> and took off without the safety pin!
If I croak off by way of airplane, it will be from a mistake like that!
I have done so many... um... bought an expensive sailboat, left the hatch
open, took it out for the first time with a coupla acquaintances who were
from CN and assured me they were experienced sailors. But I am not blaming
them. The turbulent weather sent a huge gust my way and I was screaming and
hooting, having a great time, till I noticed the passengers weren't climbing
to the high-side as I instructed. Then I found that the fat slow one had
wedged himself against my tiller, so I wasn't gonna spill no wind heading
up. So I tried to release the main sheet which should never have left my
hand. Yes, I turtled it on my first outing in that boat. I retrieved it
later and it is sitting in my yard the last two years waiting for me to
finish repairing it. I dumped about $4000 into it since then. I almost
bought the farm via hypothermia that time. It was in May, the water temp was
57-59. Asked one of them to release the mainsheet so's I could right the
boat- he cut every line he could find and I lost my main sail. :-(
I made sure the others were hauled aboard 1st- but I was in worse shape than
them younger guys. I was in for around 45 minutes.
And I have lots more sorta like. Sucks to be me sometimes.
GeoB
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Please allow me to introduce my new Kolb Firefly, Serenity.
No fan of Josh Whedon (like I am) needs an explanation why I HAVE to name a
Firefly "Serenity".
For those who are not SciFi fans, just know that serenity is what I feel
while in the shop working on my airplane and I am sure that will be one of
the main emotions I have when flying her.
This was a quick build kit delivered last December. I have worked pretty
much all of my spare time on her.
Today was the first time the finished airplane was assembled into one piece.
She is back in the garage tonight awaiting setup for weight and balance
procedures.
I still need to add the skid ball and calibrate the markings on the fuel
tank.
After that, it will be time for first engine start!
If the weather holds, I may be able to get a flight or two in yet this fall.
Only time will tell.
Thanks for listening (reading, what-ever, I am just excited to be to this
point)!
Stuart
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| From: | "pcking" <pc.king(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: My new Firefly |
Stuart,
Shiny.
PCKing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 8:55 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: My new Firefly
> Ladies and Gentlemen,
>
> Please allow me to introduce my new Kolb Firefly, Serenity.
>
> No fan of Josh Whedon (like I am) needs an explanation why I HAVE to name
> a
> Firefly "Serenity".
>
> For those who are not SciFi fans, just know that serenity is what I feel
> while in the shop working on my airplane and I am sure that will be one of
> the main emotions I have when flying her.
>
> This was a quick build kit delivered last December. I have worked pretty
> much all of my spare time on her.
>
> Today was the first time the finished airplane was assembled into one
> piece.
>
> She is back in the garage tonight awaiting setup for weight and balance
> procedures.
>
> I still need to add the skid ball and calibrate the markings on the fuel
> tank.
>
> After that, it will be time for first engine start!
>
> If the weather holds, I may be able to get a flight or two in yet this
> fall.
> Only time will tell.
>
> Thanks for listening (reading, what-ever, I am just excited to be to this
> point)!
>
> Stuart
>
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| From: | tblankenheim(at)charter.net |
What motor are you using?
Tom B
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 7:55 PM, Stuart Harner wrote:
> Ladies and Gentlemen,
>
> Please allow me to introduce my new Kolb Firefly, Serenity.
>
> No fan of Josh Whedon (like I am) needs an explanation why I HAVE to
> name a
> Firefly "Serenity".
>
> For those who are not SciFi fans, just know that serenity is what I
> feel
> while in the shop working on my airplane and I am sure that will be
> one of
> the main emotions I have when flying her.
>
> This was a quick build kit delivered last December. I have worked
> pretty
> much all of my spare time on her.
>
> Today was the first time the finished airplane was assembled into one
> piece.
>
> She is back in the garage tonight awaiting setup for weight and
> balance
> procedures.
>
> I still need to add the skid ball and calibrate the markings on the
> fuel
> tank.
>
> After that, it will be time for first engine start!
>
> If the weather holds, I may be able to get a flight or two in yet this
> fall.
> Only time will tell.
>
> Thanks for listening (reading, what-ever, I am just excited to be to
> this
> point)!
>
> Stuart
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Congratulations on your new airplane, Stuart.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Please allow me to introduce my new Kolb Firefly, Serenity.
Stuart
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| Subject: | Re: Flight West 2014 |
| From: | "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com> |
This is one of my favorite pictures from your flight. Thanks again!
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Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503 - N1782C
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight West 2014 |
Yes, that is a good one. One of my favorite copilots on that trip. I had
three.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
This is one of my favorite pictures from your flight. Thanks again!
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Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503 - N1782C
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
That is a Rotax 447
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tblankenheim(at)charter.net
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 9:12 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: My new Firefly
What motor are you using?
Tom B
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: My new Firefly |
Stuart
Have you run the engine ? Herb
On 10/05/2014 07:59 AM, Stuart Harner wrote:
>
> That is a Rotax 447
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tblankenheim(at)charter.net
> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 9:12 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: My new Firefly
>
>
> What motor are you using?
>
> Tom B
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New definition of STUPID! |
| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
It is good to hear you got home safely as that is exactly how this happened.
Luckily I had no intention of flying it at the time.
[quote="undoctor"]I'm sorry, too, for the damage to your beautiful 'Fly. However,
sometimes Providence smiles on us and our payment isn't nearly as
great as it may have been! I guess it's time to own up to my own "stupid"
experience...
When I first took possession of the FlagFly, one day I was taking off
and landing between short flights where I'd make an adjustment here and there.
I didn't preflight before each flight, as I'd preflighted before I began.
After one flight I was going over the result and discovered that after
dropping a wing and re-setting it I had put the clevis into place and
took off without the safety pin! I assure you that will get your attention
for years after the "what if's" are thoroughly drilled into your mind.
For the wise, life itself is a learning experience, so we can all benefit
from our "stupid" mistakes. Keep us informed of your repair progress.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
On 10/3/2014 6:09 PM, George Bearden wrote:
>
> I am very sorry that you had to pay such a price for a
moments inattention. "The slings and arrows of outrageous
fortune!".
> But not stupid, just a human mistake. I seriously doubt that
you are in any way stupid. I find that as I age I have to
change/build new habits to compensate for my lack of short-term
memory.
>
> Like everybody here I could tell stories of my own mistakes,
but I won't because.. ah.. because I don't have pictures!
:-)
>
> GeoB
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: New definition of STUPID! |
| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
It is good to hear you got home safely as that is exactly how this happened.
Luckily I had no intention of flying it at the time.
.
.
[quote="undoctor"]I'm sorry, too, for the damage to your beautiful 'Fly. However,
sometimes Providence smiles on us and our payment isn't nearly as
great as it may have been! I guess it's time to own up to my own "stupid"
experience...
When I first took possession of the FlagFly, one day I was taking off
and landing between short flights where I'd make an adjustment here and there.
I didn't preflight before each flight, as I'd preflighted before I began.
After one flight I was going over the result and discovered that after
dropping a wing and re-setting it I had put the clevis into place and
took off without the safety pin! I assure you that will get your attention
for years after the "what if's" are thoroughly drilled into your mind.
For the wise, life itself is a learning experience, so we can all benefit
from our "stupid" mistakes. Keep us informed of your repair progress.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
On 10/3/2014 6:09 PM, George Bearden wrote:
>
> I am very sorry that you had to pay such a price for a
moments inattention. "The slings and arrows of outrageous
fortune!".
> But not stupid, just a human mistake. I seriously doubt that
you are in any way stupid. I find that as I age I have to
change/build new habits to compensate for my lack of short-term
memory.
>
> Like everybody here I could tell stories of my own mistakes,
but I won't because.. ah.. because I don't have pictures!
:-)
>
> GeoB
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New definition of STUPID! |
I discovered an unlatched safety pin on a Kolb at the flyin one
year...Did not know whether to re latch it or find the
owner....anyway...I kept my eye on the plane and searched around til I
found the owner...Herb
On 10/05/2014 10:24 AM, west1m wrote:
>
> It is good to hear you got home safely as that is exactly how this happened.
> Luckily I had no intention of flying it at the time.
> .
> .
>
>
> [quote="undoctor"]I'm sorry, too, for the damage to your beautiful 'Fly. However,
sometimes Providence smiles on us and our payment isn't nearly as
great as it may have been! I guess it's time to own up to my own "stupid"
experience...
>
> When I first took possession of the FlagFly, one day I was taking off
and landing between short flights where I'd make an adjustment here and
there. I didn't preflight before each flight, as I'd preflighted before
I began. After one flight I was going over the result and discovered that
after dropping a wing and re-setting it I had put the clevis into place and
took off without the safety pin! I assure you that will get your attention
for years after the "what if's" are thoroughly drilled into your mind.
>
> For the wise, life itself is a learning experience, so we can all benefit
from our "stupid" mistakes. Keep us informed of your repair progress.
>
> Dave Kulp
> Bethlehem, PA
>
>
> On 10/3/2014 6:09 PM, George Bearden wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I am very sorry that you had to pay such a price for a
moments inattention. "The slings and arrows of outrageous
fortune!".
>> But not stupid, just a human mistake. I seriously doubt that
you are in any way stupid. I find that as I age I have to
change/build new habits to compensate for my lack of short-term
memory.
>>
>> Like everybody here I could tell stories of my own mistakes,
but I won't because.. ah.. because I don't have pictures!
:-)
>>
>> GeoB
>>
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| From: | "Michael Orth" <mosurf(at)xplornet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New definition of STUPID! |
Dave,
I once knew a guy who was missing his index finger down to the first
knuckle on both hands.
He was in his shop and decided to cut a piece of wire.
He wrapped the wire around both index fingers and flipped on the table
saw to cut the wire.
The wire remained intact but both finger tips departed thanks to his
makeshift wire guillotine.
Now that was STUPID.
Michael
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From: "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 8:17 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New definition of STUPID!
>
> It is good to hear you got home safely as that is exactly how this
happened.
> Luckily I had no intention of flying it at the time.
>
>
> [quote="undoctor"]I'm sorry, too, for the damage to your beautiful
'Fly. However, sometimes Providence smiles on us and our payment
isn't nearly as great as it may have been! I guess it's time to own
up to my own "stupid" experience...
>
> When I first took possession of the FlagFly, one day I was taking
off and landing between short flights where I'd make an adjustment
here and there. I didn't preflight before each flight, as I'd
preflighted before I began. After one flight I was going over the
result and discovered that after dropping a wing and re-setting it I
had put the clevis into place and took off without the safety pin!
I assure you that will get your attention for years after the "what
if's" are thoroughly drilled into your mind.
>
> For the wise, life itself is a learning experience, so we can all
benefit from our "stupid" mistakes. Keep us informed of your repair
progress.
>
> Dave Kulp
> Bethlehem, PA
>
>
> On 10/3/2014 6:09 PM, George Bearden wrote:
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>>
>> I am very sorry that you had to pay such a price for a
moments inattention. "The slings and arrows of outrageous
fortune!".
>> But not stupid, just a human mistake. I seriously doubt
that you are in any way stupid. I find that as I age I
have to change/build new habits to
compensate for my lack of short-term memory.
>>
>> Like everybody here I could tell stories of my own
mistakes, but I won't because.. ah.. because I don't have
pictures! :-)
>>
>> GeoB
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
Thanks, it is always good to meet a fellow Browncoat.
Stuart
Serenity is knowing which River NOT to cross!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pcking
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: My new Firefly
Stuart,
Shiny.
PCKing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 8:55 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: My new Firefly
> Ladies and Gentlemen,
>
> Please allow me to introduce my new Kolb Firefly, Serenity.
>
> No fan of Josh Whedon (like I am) needs an explanation why I HAVE to name
> a
> Firefly "Serenity".
>
> For those who are not SciFi fans, just know that serenity is what I feel
> while in the shop working on my airplane and I am sure that will be one of
> the main emotions I have when flying her.
>
> This was a quick build kit delivered last December. I have worked pretty
> much all of my spare time on her.
>
> Today was the first time the finished airplane was assembled into one
> piece.
>
> She is back in the garage tonight awaiting setup for weight and balance
> procedures.
>
> I still need to add the skid ball and calibrate the markings on the fuel
> tank.
>
> After that, it will be time for first engine start!
>
> If the weather holds, I may be able to get a flight or two in yet this
> fall.
> Only time will tell.
>
> Thanks for listening (reading, what-ever, I am just excited to be to this
> point)!
>
> Stuart
>
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| Subject: | Mark III xtra for tall pilot |
| From: | "Dougflyer71" <dougflyer71(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello all. I"m looking at building a Mark III xtra. Can somebody tell me how I
would fit in the airplane. I'm 6'6" tall and usually have problems with legroom.
Also, I have 0 tailwheel time and wonder if this airplane is difficult to taxi.
I watched a guy struggle with a firestar, but admittedly the wind was fairly
stiff that day.(here in the lovely midwest).
Doug
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431545#431545
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | Firefly wing fold questions |
Hey guys,
When you are by yourself and folding or unfolding the wings, how do you
handle the struts?
Do you fold them out toward the tip or in toward the root?
How to you keep it from swinging into the dirt while you are maneuvering the
wing?
How do you keep it where it belongs once the wings are folded?
Thanks,
Stuart
Seems like there is something new to learn every day
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly wing fold questions |
| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
Take the struts off when folding,, when setting up attach at the cage and
set on the wheel till ready to attach to the wing.
Boyd
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| Subject: | Re: My new Firefly |
| From: | "pipercolt" <bob.pipercolt(at)yahoo.com> |
I can not see any pictures. Any guesses why?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431552#431552
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | Firefly wing fold questions |
Do you have pins at the wing fittings?
Mine came with bolts and spacers, two bolts with two spacers for each
bolt on each wing.
Getting all of that assembled was quite a bit of work, even with the
wings upside down on the bench. I don=99t think I would want to
go through that every time I fly.
I was under the impression that you just pull the single pin at the
bottom of the strut and then fold the strut up against the wing. From
the one time I tried it (with help), the fuselage was in the way for
folding up, so I flipped it out towards the tip, but it was hard to hang
onto everything at once. Plus there is no easy place to fasten it to.
Do you have any pictures of your Firefly you could share? Direct email
is OK, stuart(at)harnerfarm.net
Still scratching my head on this one.
Stuart
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of B Young
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly wing fold questions
Take the struts off when folding,, when setting up attach at the cage
and set on the wheel till ready to attach to the wing.
Boyd
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| From: | Doug Syler <doug.syler(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | FireFly Trailer With Clamping Wheel Chocks |
The picture shows a weldment I use to chock my wheels on a
home-made 20-foot trailer, with 36-inch tongue. The wheels roll up over a hinged
part that swings up to immobilize the wheel when tied up with
rope. The rear of the FireFly 5-inch boom tube needs to be supported by a cradle
that swings down out of the way for loading.
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| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firefly wing fold questions |
Stuart,
I don't think Boyd realized you have a Firefly, he described the way we do i
t on my Mk-3 and Dave's Slingshot.
The Fly struts do fold up to the wing, I believe every time I've seen it don
e the struts fold toward the wing tip.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, Rotax 670,
Leechburg, PA
> On Oct 5, 2014, at 8:02 PM, "Stuart Harner" wrote:
>
> Do you have pins at the wing fittings?
>
> Mine came with bolts and spacers, two bolts with two spacers for each bolt
on each wing.
>
> Getting all of that assembled was quite a bit of work, even with the wings
upside down on the bench. I don=99t think I would want to go through
that every time I fly.
>
> I was under the impression that you just pull the single pin at the bottom
of the strut and then fold the strut up against the wing. >=46rom the one t
ime I tried it (with help), the fuselage was in the way for folding up, so I
flipped it out towards the tip, but it was hard to hang onto everything at o
nce. Plus there is no easy place to fasten it to.
>
> Do you have any pictures of your Firefly you could share? Direct email is
OK, stuart(at)harnerfarm.net
>
> Still scratching my head on this one.
>
> Stuart
>
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of B Young
> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 6:09 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly wing fold questions
>
> Take the struts off when folding,, when setting up attach at the cage and
set on the wheel till ready to attach to the wing.
> Boyd
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Firefly wing fold questions |
| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
I have a mk 3 and forgot that the fly has 2 lift struts. Guess I don't know
the exact procedure for the fly
Boyd
On Oct 5, 2014 6:05 PM, "Stuart Harner" wrote:
> Do you have pins at the wing fittings?
>
>
> Mine came with bolts and spacers, two bolts with two spacers for each bol
t
> on each wing.
>
>
> Getting all of that assembled was quite a bit of work, even with the wing
s
> upside down on the bench. I don=99t think I would want to go throu
gh that
> every time I fly.
>
>
> I was under the impression that you just pull the single pin at the botto
m
> of the strut and then fold the strut up against the wing. >From the one
> time I tried it (with help), the fuselage was in the way for folding up,
so
> I flipped it out towards the tip, but it was hard to hang onto everything
> at once. Plus there is no easy place to fasten it to.
>
>
> Do you have any pictures of your Firefly you could share? Direct email i
s
> OK, stuart(at)harnerfarm.net
>
>
> Still scratching my head on this one.
>
>
> Stuart
>
>
> *From:* owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *B Young
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 05, 2014 6:09 PM
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Firefly wing fold questions
>
>
> Take the struts off when folding,, when setting up attach at the cage an
d
> set on the wheel till ready to attach to the wing.
> Boyd
>
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List *
>
> *http://forums.matronics.com *
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III xtra for tall pilot |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
Don't think you would have a problem but your welcome to try mine on for size.
It's at the Branson West airport.
You should definitely get some tail dragger time before flying. I would also
strongly suggest some time in a MX3.
Rex
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| Subject: | Re: New definition of STUPID! |
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| Subject: | Re: My new Firefly |
| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
I did not get the pictures either.
Seems to happen a lot, someone mentions their pictures but I do not see them in
the posts.
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West1m
Hastings, MN
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431582#431582
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | Re: My new Firefly (now missing pictures) |
Are you looking at an email that was sent to you, or are you logged into the
forum on the web site and looking at the message there?
Stuart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of west1m
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 2:53 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: My new Firefly
I did not get the pictures either.
Seems to happen a lot, someone mentions their pictures but I do not see them
in the posts.
--------
West1m
Hastings, MN
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431582#431582
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| From: | "KIRBY, DENNIS T GS-13 USAF AFMC AFNWC/ENS" <dennis.kirby.3(at)us.af.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: My new Firefly |
"Stuart Harner" wrote: << Kolb Firefly, Serenity ... I still need to add the skid
ball and calibrate the markings on the fuel tank. >>
Stuart - nice looking airplane!
About that skid ball ... if it were me, I'd leave it out. Save the panel space
for something more useful.
I installed a skid ball in my Mark-3 when I first built it, and I never look at
it anymore.
Instead, at the advice of an old glider pilot friend of mine, I taped a 6-inch
piece of red yarn to the center of the windshield for a slip/skid indicator.
I tell people it's the most accurate instrument on my airplane ... because it IS.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3/912ul/Powerfin-72
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| Subject: | Re: My new Firefly (now missing pictures) |
| From: | "pipercolt" <bob.pipercolt(at)yahoo.com> |
logged into Matroniks
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431588#431588
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| Subject: | Re: My new Firefly (now missing pictures) |
| From: | kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
Stuart - pls tell us how to access the website?
On Oct 6, 2014, at 4:56 PM, Stuart Harner wrote:
>
> Are you looking at an email that was sent to you, or are you logged into the
> forum on the web site and looking at the message there?
>
> Stuart
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of west1m
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 2:53 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: My new Firefly
>
>
> I did not get the pictures either.
> Seems to happen a lot, someone mentions their pictures but I do not see them
> in the posts.
>
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> West1m
> Hastings, MN
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> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431582#431582
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| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: My new Firefly |
On the other hand, I have a space saver skidball in my Mk-3 and use it all the
time.
Donotarchive
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, Rotax 670,
Leechburg, PA
> On Oct 6, 2014, at 4:59 PM, "KIRBY, DENNIS T GS-13 USAF AFMC AFNWC/ENS"
wrote:
>
>
> "Stuart Harner" wrote: << Kolb Firefly, Serenity ... I still need to add the
skid ball and calibrate the markings on the fuel tank. >>
>
> Stuart - nice looking airplane!
> About that skid ball ... if it were me, I'd leave it out. Save the panel space
for something more useful.
> I installed a skid ball in my Mark-3 when I first built it, and I never look
at it anymore.
> Instead, at the advice of an old glider pilot friend of mine, I taped a 6-inch
piece of red yarn to the center of the windshield for a slip/skid indicator.
> I tell people it's the most accurate instrument on my airplane ... because it
IS.
>
> Dennis Kirby
> Mark-3/912ul/Powerfin-72
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My new Firefly |
| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
I hung a plum Bob from my lower instrument panel that centered over my
rudder cables on my mk 3. After getting my ruder trim tab set..I removed
the plum Bob
Boyd Young
On Oct 6, 2014 4:49 PM, "Dennis Rowe" wrote:
>
> On the other hand, I have a space saver skidball in my Mk-3 and use it all
> the time.
> Donotarchive
>
> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> Mk3, Rotax 670,
> Leechburg, PA
>
>
> > On Oct 6, 2014, at 4:59 PM, "KIRBY, DENNIS T GS-13 USAF AFMC AFNWC/ENS" <
> dennis.kirby.3(at)us.af.mil> wrote:
> >
> AFNWC/ENS"
> >
> > "Stuart Harner" wrote: << Kolb Firefly, Serenity ... I still need to
> add the skid ball and calibrate the markings on the fuel tank. >>
> >
> > Stuart - nice looking airplane!
> > About that skid ball ... if it were me, I'd leave it out. Save the
> panel space for something more useful.
> > I installed a skid ball in my Mark-3 when I first built it, and I never
> look at it anymore.
> > Instead, at the advice of an old glider pilot friend of mine, I taped a
> 6-inch piece of red yarn to the center of the windshield for a slip/skid
> indicator.
> > I tell people it's the most accurate instrument on my airplane ...
> because it IS.
> >
> > Dennis Kirby
> > Mark-3/912ul/Powerfin-72
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: My new Firefly |
Actually, it is a slip/skid indicator. I have a Winter Slip/Skid Indicator
in my MKIII. Been there for 22 years and 3,300+ hours. Don't need a yaw
string, except to check that the slip/skid indicator is adjusted correctly.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
> Stuart - nice looking airplane!
> About that skid ball ... if it were me, I'd leave it out. Save the panel
space for something more useful.
> I installed a skid ball in my Mark-3 when I first built it, and I never
look at it anymore.
> Instead, at the advice of an old glider pilot friend of mine, I taped a
6-inch piece of red yarn to the center of the windshield for a slip/skid
indicator.
> I tell people it's the most accurate instrument on my airplane ... because
it IS.
>
> Dennis Kirby
> Mark-3/912ul/Powerfin-72
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: My new Firefly |
| From: | "Shadow94" <seanote(at)echoes.net> |
I can't see any photos either. Would you mind posting again?
Thanks
Mark
--------
Mark
Twinstar MKII
Great Bend, PA
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| Subject: | testing missing pics and other wierd stuff from forum |
| From: | "Airknocker" <airknocker(at)harnerfarm.net> |
I have noticed that sometimes I get emails from the list that are a reply but I
never saw the original post.
I also have received emails that had a subject, but no text in the body. These
always appear to be a reply to a previous email, which I may or may not have seen.
I sent my original email about Serenity with an attached photo using Outlook and
sending it to the kolb-list email address. My email came back to me with an
attachment of 189 KB, just as I had sent it.
However, while investigating this, I logged onto the forum web site (http://forums.matronics.com/) and to my surprise, my original email was not there, but SOME of the replies were.
There seems to be a disconnect between the forum and the list serv. I don't understand
it, maybe Matt can shed some light on this for us.
So, I am going to post this message from the forum on the web, and an identical
message except for this last paragraph from my email.
Stuart (and Serenity)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431627#431627
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_7928__copy_170.jpg
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | testing missing pics and other weird stuff from email |
I have noticed that sometimes I get emails from the list that are a reply
but I never saw the original post.
I also have received emails that had a subject, but no text in the body.
These always appear to be a reply to a previous email, which I may or may
not have seen.
I sent my original email about Serenity with an attached photo using Outlook
and sending it to the kolb-list email address. My email came back to me
with an attachment of 189 KB, just as I had sent it.
However, while investigating this, I logged onto the forum web site
(http://forums.matronics.com/) and to my surprise, my original email was not
there, but SOME of the replies were.
There seems to be a disconnect between the forum and the list serv. I don't
understand it, maybe Matt can shed some light on this for us.
So, I am going to post this message from my email, and an identical message
except for this last paragraph from the forum on the web.
Stuart (and Serenity)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | testing missing pics and other weird stuff from forum |
OK, this message came into my email just fine. There is no picture
attached, but there is a link added to the bottom of the message.
Clicking on that link opens my web browser and shows the picture just fine.
Stuart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Airknocker
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 6:19 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: testing missing pics and other wierd stuff from forum
-->
I have noticed that sometimes I get emails from the list that are a reply
but I never saw the original post.
I also have received emails that had a subject, but no text in the body.
These always appear to be a reply to a previous email, which I may or may
not have seen.
I sent my original email about Serenity with an attached photo using Outlook
and sending it to the kolb-list email address. My email came back to me
with an attachment of 189 KB, just as I had sent it.
However, while investigating this, I logged onto the forum web site
(http://forums.matronics.com/) and to my surprise, my original email was not
there, but SOME of the replies were.
There seems to be a disconnect between the forum and the list serv. I don't
understand it, maybe Matt can shed some light on this for us.
So, I am going to post this message from the forum on the web, and an
identical message except for this last paragraph from my email.
Stuart (and Serenity)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431627#431627
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_7928__copy_170.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | testing missing pics and other weird stuff from email |
OK, this is really goofy.
This email came back to me just fine, attachment intact.
However, when I look at the forum on the web, BOTH original messages show
up, but my reply to the forum posted message, shows up under a new thread,
not as a reply to the original message.
OOPs, just figured it out. My reply auto corrected my spelling mistake in
the subject line, which forced the server to consider it as a new topic
(thread).
Everything seems to be working as it should this evening. I still can't
explain some of the postings in the past.
Stuart
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Harner
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 6:22 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: testing missing pics and other weird stuff from email
I have noticed that sometimes I get emails from the list that are a reply
but I never saw the original post.
I also have received emails that had a subject, but no text in the body.
These always appear to be a reply to a previous email, which I may or may
not have seen.
I sent my original email about Serenity with an attached photo using Outlook
and sending it to the kolb-list email address. My email came back to me
with an attachment of 189 KB, just as I had sent it.
However, while investigating this, I logged onto the forum web site
(http://forums.matronics.com/) and to my surprise, my original email was not
there, but SOME of the replies were.
There seems to be a disconnect between the forum and the list serv. I don't
understand it, maybe Matt can shed some light on this for us.
So, I am going to post this message from my email, and an identical message
except for this last paragraph from the forum on the web.
Stuart (and Serenity)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: testing missing pics and other weird stuff from forum |
| From: | kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
Stuart
FWIW your text & pic came thru fine. That's a fine looking bird! Congratulations
Fair winds,
Russ K
On Oct 7, 2014, at 7:29 PM, Stuart Harner wrote:
>
> OK, this message came into my email just fine. There is no picture
> attached, but there is a link added to the bottom of the message.
>
> Clicking on that link opens my web browser and shows the picture just fine.
>
> Stuart
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Airknocker
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 6:19 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: testing missing pics and other wierd stuff from forum
>
> -->
>
> I have noticed that sometimes I get emails from the list that are a reply
> but I never saw the original post.
>
> I also have received emails that had a subject, but no text in the body.
> These always appear to be a reply to a previous email, which I may or may
> not have seen.
>
> I sent my original email about Serenity with an attached photo using Outlook
> and sending it to the kolb-list email address. My email came back to me
> with an attachment of 189 KB, just as I had sent it.
>
> However, while investigating this, I logged onto the forum web site
> (http://forums.matronics.com/) and to my surprise, my original email was not
> there, but SOME of the replies were.
>
> There seems to be a disconnect between the forum and the list serv. I don't
> understand it, maybe Matt can shed some light on this for us.
>
> So, I am going to post this message from the forum on the web, and an
> identical message except for this last paragraph from my email.
>
> Stuart (and Serenity)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431627#431627
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_7928__copy_170.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Unfolding, Flying and Folding a Kolb Firefly (UFFKF) |
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
Kolbers & Kolbettes:
For those who would be interested in seeing how a seasoned Kolb Firefly builder
& flyer manages the process of Unfolding, Flying and Folding a Kolb Firefly,
the link following goes to a You Tube (3 minutes worth) depicting the aforementioned
activities.
Link: http://youtu.be/2BUSd6tP72Y
(Depending on how you view the list messages, you may have to copy and paste the
link to get to it.)
Comments and questions are welcome (ask Beauford).
Just remember, worth what you paid for it and follow this process at your own risk.
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431656#431656
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Unfolding, Flying and Folding a Kolb Firefly (UFFKF) |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
Good one guy's, I enjoyed it!
Larry
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:43 AM, George Alexander
wrote:
>
> Kolbers & Kolbettes:
> For those who would be interested in seeing how a seasoned Kolb Firefly
> builder & flyer manages the process of Unfolding, Flying and Folding a Kolb
> Firefly, the link following goes to a You Tube (3 minutes worth) depicting
> the aforementioned activities.
>
> Link: http://youtu.be/2BUSd6tP72Y
>
> (Depending on how you view the list messages, you may have to copy and
> paste the link to get to it.)
>
> Comments and questions are welcome (ask Beauford).
>
> Just remember, worth what you paid for it and follow this process at your
> own risk.
>
> --------
> George Alexander
> FS II R503 N709FS
> http://www.oh2fly.net
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431656#431656
>
>
--
*If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
address before sending.*
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Unfolding, Flying and Folding a Kolb Firefly (UFFKF) |
Everything worked perfect for me. Although I do not own a FF, I am
inspired!!
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
Kolbers & Kolbettes:
For those who would be interested in seeing how a seasoned Kolb Firefly
builder & flyer manages the process of Unfolding, Flying and Folding a Kolb
Firefly, the link following goes to a You Tube (3 minutes worth) depicting
the aforementioned activities.
Link: http://youtu.be/2BUSd6tP72Y
(Depending on how you view the list messages, you may have to copy and paste
the link to get to it.)
Comments and questions are welcome (ask Beauford).
Just remember, worth what you paid for it and follow this process at your
own risk.
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | Unfolding, Flying and Folding a Kolb Firefly (UFFKF) |
Thank You!
That is exactly what I needed to see.
I especially liked the rope on the strut trick. BRILLIANT!
Stuart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Alexander
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 12:43 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Unfolding, Flying and Folding a Kolb Firefly (UFFKF)
-->
Kolbers & Kolbettes:
For those who would be interested in seeing how a seasoned Kolb Firefly
builder & flyer manages the process of Unfolding, Flying and Folding a Kolb
Firefly, the link following goes to a You Tube (3 minutes worth) depicting
the aforementioned activities.
Link: http://youtu.be/2BUSd6tP72Y
(Depending on how you view the list messages, you may have to copy and paste
the link to get to it.)
Comments and questions are welcome (ask Beauford).
Just remember, worth what you paid for it and follow this process at your
own risk.
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431656#431656
________________________________________________________________________________
At about the 6 minute mark of this video there is a picture sequence of folding
my MKIII. It is a little different than the Fire Fly because the struts do not
hold the wing up, you have to have a stand. I folded every time I flew.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL-IsBKFPjU
FWIW
Jason
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431681#431681
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | GRT EIS for sale |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
Is there any interest here for a used Grand Rapids Engine Information
System?
I've got a model EIS-3-Adv-W/912 Dual Aux but I need more inputs for my
application. I've got the harness and most, if not all of the probes. This
is one of the older models with two 9-pin connectors, and is in excellent
condition; previously installed in an RV-6 built by an airline pilot,
monitoring a rotary engine.
If you need one, drop me a line or give me a call. Convince me that it's
worth more to you than it's worth as upgrade bait at GRT for a 4000 or
6000. :-)
Thanks,
Charlie
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: GRT EIS for sale |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Charlie England
wrote:
> Is there any interest here for a used Grand Rapids Engine Information
> System?
>
> I've got a model EIS-3-Adv-W/912 Dual Aux but I need more inputs for my
> application. I've got the harness and most, if not all of the probes. This
> is one of the older models with two 9-pin connectors, and is in excellent
> condition; previously installed in an RV-6 built by an airline pilot,
> monitoring a rotary engine.
>
> If you need one, drop me a line or give me a call. Convince me that it's
> worth more to you than it's worth as upgrade bait at GRT for a 4000 or
> 6000. :-)
>
OOPS; forgot my phone number: 601-879-9596
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: GRT EIS for sale |
| From: | Paule David <dpaule(at)frii.com> |
Charlie,
Thanks for thinking of me!
I haven't decided upon my EMS yet. If I go with the Sport SX, which is being phased
out, then I'll want a 4000. But if I go with a Mini-x or Mini-AP, then I'll
need a third-party EMS.
Since I haven't started the fuselage yet, I can wait a bit for that decision. Leading
candidates would be a new GRT EMS, the MGL small EMS or even the ancient
Dynon one.
Thanks again,
Dave
On Oct 9, 2014, at 3:51 PM, Charlie England wrote:
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Charlie England wrote:
Is there any interest here for a used Grand Rapids Engine Information System?
I've got a model EIS-3-Adv-W/912 Dual Aux but I need more inputs for my application.
I've got the harness and most, if not all of the probes. This is one of
the older models with two 9-pin connectors, and is in excellent condition; previously
installed in an RV-6 built by an airline pilot, monitoring a rotary engine.
If you need one, drop me a line or give me a call. Convince me that it's worth
more to you than it's worth as upgrade bait at GRT for a 4000 or 6000. :-)
OOPS; forgot my phone number: 601-879-9596
Thanks,
Charlie
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | idle mixture air adjust screw, O-ring |
OK guys, since my idle mixture screw does not look like the ones in the book
(#6 in the drawing), I have a question.
Which is the proper position for the O-ring?
Next to the threads, or in the groove closest to the head?
When I took the carb (Bing 54) apart for an overhaul last winter, I forgot
to take pictures as I went. No problem, I have a parts drawing, and there
were no two parts alike, so things can only go in one place. When I went to
put it back together, I had a little debate with myself about the placement
of this O-ring and the parts drawing was no help. I used my "best logic" as
to where to put it. I think I was wrong and will continue the story after I
hear some replies. :)
BTW, I did a full break in routine on the 447 today. I did not need to as
Herb had done it originally, but wanted to get some experience with this
engine. This gave me a chance to watch all the temps through all the
ranges. It was quite an education. All appears well except for a mid-range
lean problem, which I worked around by using the enricher circuit to cool it
off while in that RPM range.
All is well, except for a leaking bowl gasket, time for taxi testing!
Stuart
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| Subject: | Re: idle mixture air adjust screw, O-ring |
| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
I would put it in the groove closest to the screw driver slot ( head)
Boyd
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | idle mixture air adjust screw, O-ring |
That is what I thought too. Why else would there be an O-ring sized
groove in the screw?
As it turns out, I could not get it to idle properly, even with the
screw turned all the way in, it was still too lean.
After moving the O-ring to be next to the threads and setting the screw
to =C2=BD turn, I was able to dial in the idle mixture by turning the
screw only a tiny amount.
It would have been a lot easier if the screw were not on the propeller
side of the carb, but what the heck it worked!
Thanks,
Stuart
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of B Young
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: idle mixture air adjust screw, O-ring
I would put it in the groove closest to the screw driver slot ( head)
Boyd
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| From: | kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
Hello Kolbers!
Anyone have a left-side solid aluminum gear leg for sale, or a pair of legs?
Russ K
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| From: | Frank Goodnight <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
Russ,
Dan @ 402-750-6149 probably has a set for a Firestar .
Good luck
Frank Goodnight
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 10, 2014, at 6:26 PM, kinne russ wrote:
>
> Hello Kolbers!
> Anyone have a left-side solid aluminum gear leg for sale, or a pair of legs?
> Russ K
>
>
>
>
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| From: | kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
Sorry, shoulda mentioned; legs are for an Xtra
Begin forwarded message:
> From: kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com>
> Date: October 10, 2014 7:26:11 PM EDT
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: q
> content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
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> x-universally-unique-identifier: 2647b850-4b07-41da-8a97-34d3ff17e3dc
> message-id: <14313D47-C8A6-472F-8204-3187B123B69B(at)gmail.com>
> mime-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085)
>
> Hello Kolbers!
> Anyone have a left-side solid aluminum gear leg for sale, or a pair of
legs?
> Russ K
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
Would probably be helpful to put the subject matter in the subject line,
too. :-)
A look through the archives (or an email inbox) for subject line 'q'
reveals nothing at all about the contents of the email. Something like
'WTB Xtra gear legs' would let readers know immediately whether they
might be able to help you.
FWIW,
Charlie
On 10/10/2014 6:46 PM, kinne russ wrote:
> Sorry, shoulda mentioned; legs are for an Xtra
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> *From: *kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com <mailto:russk50(at)gmail.com>>
>> *Date: *October 10, 2014 7:26:11 PM EDT
>> *To: *kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>> *Subject: **q*
>> *content-type: *text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> *content-transfer-encoding: *7bit
>> *x-smtp-server: *smtp.gmail.com:russk50(at)gmail.com
>> *x-universally-unique-identifier: *2647b850-4b07-41da-8a97-34d3ff17e3dc
>> *message-id: *<14313D47-C8A6-472F-8204-3187B123B69B(at)gmail.com
>> >
>> *mime-version: *1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085)
>>
>> Hello Kolbers!
>> Anyone have a left-side solid aluminum gear leg for sale, or a pair
>> of legs?
>> Russ K
>
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| From: | kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
Charlie
Thanx the suggestion. Confusers hate me. I'll try better, What's WTB?
Want To Buy?
Russ
On Oct 10, 2014, at 8:22 PM, Charlie England wrote:
> Would probably be helpful to put the subject matter in the subject
line, too. :-)
>
> A look through the archives (or an email inbox) for subject line 'q'
reveals nothing at all about the contents of the email. Something like
'WTB Xtra gear legs' would let readers know immediately whether they
might be able to help you.
>
> FWIW,
>
> Charlie
>
>
>
> On 10/10/2014 6:46 PM, kinne russ wrote:
>> Sorry, shoulda mentioned; legs are for an Xtra
>>
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com>
>>> Date: October 10, 2014 7:26:11 PM EDT
>>> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: q
>>> content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>> content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
>>> x-smtp-server: smtp.gmail.com:russk50(at)gmail.com
>>> x-universally-unique-identifier:
2647b850-4b07-41da-8a97-34d3ff17e3dc
>>> message-id: <14313D47-C8A6-472F-8204-3187B123B69B(at)gmail.com>
>>> mime-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085)
>>>
>>> Hello Kolbers!
>>> Anyone have a left-side solid aluminum gear leg for sale, or a pair
of legs?
>>> Russ K
>>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
Correct!
Still useful to give a detailed message in the body of the message; I'm
sure that you're not the only person that could miss the acronym (I
don't know 90% of them, myself).
Charlie
On 10/10/2014 7:32 PM, kinne russ wrote:
> Charlie
> Thanx the suggestion. Confusers hate me. I'll try better, What's WTB?
> Want To Buy?
> Russ
>
>
> On Oct 10, 2014, at 8:22 PM, Charlie England wrote:
>
>> Would probably be helpful to put the subject matter in the subject
>> line, too. :-)
>>
>> A look through the archives (or an email inbox) for subject line 'q'
>> reveals nothing at all about the contents of the email. Something
>> like 'WTB Xtra gear legs' would let readers know immediately whether
>> they might be able to help you.
>>
>> FWIW,
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/10/2014 6:46 PM, kinne russ wrote:
>>> Sorry, shoulda mentioned; legs are for an Xtra
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>>> *From: *kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com <mailto:russk50(at)gmail.com>>
>>>> *Date: *October 10, 2014 7:26:11 PM EDT
>>>> *To: *kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> *Subject: **q*
>>>> *content-type: *text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>> *content-transfer-encoding: *7bit
>>>> *x-smtp-server: *smtp.gmail.com:russk50(at)gmail.com
>>>> *x-universally-unique-identifier: *2647b850-4b07-41da-8a97-34d3ff17e3dc
>>>> *message-id: *<14313D47-C8A6-472F-8204-3187B123B69B(at)gmail.com
>>>> >
>>>> *mime-version: *1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085)
>>>>
>>>> Hello Kolbers!
>>>> Anyone have a left-side solid aluminum gear leg for sale, or a pair
>>>> of legs?
>>>> Russ K
>>>
>>
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| From: | "pipercolt" <bob.pipercolt(at)yahoo.com> |
Hey Russ
I have a left gear leg off a Mark 111 Classic. I don't know if they are the same.
If interested, call me at 765-346-2622
Bob
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431758#431758
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| From: | kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
A lot I don't know either. Heard of a chap who got into trouble asking
a waitress Put In Some Sugar, and commenting Swellest Hotel In Town
Russ
On Oct 10, 2014, at 9:43 PM, Charlie England wrote:
> Correct!
>
> Still useful to give a detailed message in the body of the message;
I'm sure that you're not the only person that could miss the acronym (I
don't know 90% of them, myself).
>
> Charlie
>
>
> On 10/10/2014 7:32 PM, kinne russ wrote:
>> Charlie
>> Thanx the suggestion. Confusers hate me. I'll try better, What's WTB?
Want To Buy?
>> Russ
>>
>>
>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 8:22 PM, Charlie England wrote:
>>
>>> Would probably be helpful to put the subject matter in the subject
line, too. :-)
>>>
>>> A look through the archives (or an email inbox) for subject line 'q'
reveals nothing at all about the contents of the email. Something like
'WTB Xtra gear legs' would let readers know immediately whether they
might be able to help you.
>>>
>>> FWIW,
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/10/2014 6:46 PM, kinne russ wrote:
>>>> Sorry, shoulda mentioned; legs are for an Xtra
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>
>>>>> From: kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com>
>>>>> Date: October 10, 2014 7:26:11 PM EDT
>>>>> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>>>>> Subject: q
>>>>> content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>> content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
>>>>> x-smtp-server: smtp.gmail.com:russk50(at)gmail.com
>>>>> x-universally-unique-identifier:
2647b850-4b07-41da-8a97-34d3ff17e3dc
>>>>> message-id: <14313D47-C8A6-472F-8204-3187B123B69B(at)gmail.com>
>>>>> mime-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085)
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Kolbers!
>>>>> Anyone have a left-side solid aluminum gear leg for sale, or a
pair of legs?
>>>>> Russ K
>>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "firestar503(at)yahoo.com" <firestar503(at)yahoo.com> |
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| From: | kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
Anyone have any luck straightening solid aluminum gear legs?
Thanx in advance
Russ K
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
I have never seen this mentioned on the List before. What is the proper lubricant
for all the control surfaces? Stick and rudder pivot points, rod ends,
hinges on wings and tail, etc.
Bill
Sullivan
Windsor
Locks, Ct.
FS
447
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| From: | David Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net> |
I'm not an expert, but personally I used spray silicone because it
doesn't collect dirt and airborne particles.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
On 10/15/2014 10:08 PM, william sullivan wrote:
> I have never seen this mentioned on the List before. What is the
> proper lubricant for all the control surfaces? Stick and rudder pivot
> points, rod ends, hinges on wings and tail, etc.
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Windsor Locks, Ct.
> FS 447
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>
>
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
On bigger homebuilts, the recommendation is a non-greasy lube, so it won't
catch & hold dirt in the pivot points.
Charlie
On Oct 15, 2014 9:11 PM, "william sullivan"
wrote:
> I have never seen this mentioned on the List before. What is the proper
> lubricant for all the control surfaces? Stick and rudder pivot points, rod
> ends, hinges on wings and tail, etc.
>
>
> Bill Sullivan
>
> Windsor Locks, Ct.
>
> FS 447
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
I use "zoom spout turbine oil" on my home built for everything but the
hinges. For the hinges I use some CRC spray lube, or something similar.
I haven't found anything that won't attract dirt, especially in the
desert. Maybe Larry Cottrell will chime in here with his expertise. He
is a "real" desert rat.
I don't know if I have a "bigger or smaller home built". An RV8 is
24X21 and a MKIII is 30X23.5. Yet a Bearhawk is 33X23.5. I am in a
dilemma.
john h
mkIII
Crawfordville, FL
On bigger homebuilts, the recommendation is a non-greasy lube, so it
won't catch & hold dirt in the pivot points.
Charlie
On Oct 15, 2014 9:11 PM, "william sullivan"
wrote:
I have never seen this mentioned on the List before. What is the
proper lubricant for all the control surfaces? Stick and rudder pivot
points, rod ends, hinges on wings and tail, etc.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS 447
~
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| From: | "KIRBY, DENNIS T GS-13 USAF AFMC AFNWC/ENS" <dennis.kirby.3(at)us.af.mil> |
<< What is the proper lubricant for all the control surfaces? Stick and rudder
pivot points, rod ends, hinges on wings and tail, etc. Bill Sullivan >>
Bill / Kolb Friends -
For steel-on-steel pivot points (like the torque tubes) and for rod ends, I use
ordinary 3-in-1 oil. For all the alum hinges, I use dry-moly lubricant, like
what they sell in the bike shops for the insides of brake cables.
The dry lubricant will not collect dust and dirt. This is important for your hinges
(which are aluminum), because grit in the hinge will quickly wear away the
metal, with the constant motion of a moving hinge.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3 / 912ul
Sandia Park, New Mexico
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| From: | "Nick Cassara" <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Question for the builders... |
Hello Kolb builders,
I have all my surfaces ready to cover. I have laid out my wings flaps and
ailerons. The only thing I have not done is drill the holes to test mount
the hinges. Is there any reason I could not wait and drill the hinge rivet
holes once everything is covered? Thanks as always for your thought!
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
Kolbra N607AK
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| Subject: | Re: Question for the builders... |
| From: | James Beard <azjimmyb(at)gmail.com> |
Nick... I'm not certain why, but the constr. manual calls for all 1,000
holes to be drilled & deburred prior to covering.
This also allows you to clean out all the drilling debris, probably a good
idea.
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Nick Cassara wrote:
> Hello Kolb builders,
>
>
> I have all my surfaces ready to cover. I have laid out my wings flaps and
> ailerons. The only thing I have not done is drill the holes to test mount
> the hinges. Is there any reason I could not wait and drill the hinge rivet
> holes once everything is covered? Thanks as always for your thought!
>
>
> Nick Cassara
>
> Palmer, Alaska
>
>
> Kolbra N607AK
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Question for the builders... |
Nick:
I find it much easier to trim the hinges to fit, drill all
the rivet holes in the hinges, then fit, adjust, and drill
all the holes in the spars using the predrilled hinges,
secured with Clecos, as a template.
When I finish covering wings, ailerons, and flaps, I use a
pencil tip soldering iron to open rivet and drain holes.
After Polybrush, I cement the gap seal, complete processing
the wing through finish paint. Finally, I rivet the hinges
to the wings, flaps, and ailerons. Makes a much finer
looking job.
john h
mkIII
Crawfordville, Florida
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Nick Cassara
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:10 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Question for the builders...
Hello Kolb builders,
I have all my surfaces ready to cover. I have laid out my
wings flaps and ailerons. The only thing I have not done is
drill the holes to test mount the hinges. Is there any
reason I could not wait and drill the hinge rivet holes once
everything is covered? Thanks as always for your thought!
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
Kolbra N607AK
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| Subject: | Re: Question for the builders... |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
I agree. Drilling the hinge holes with the fabric on would be a real mess. The
hot solder iron trick works great.
Caution: When I covered my flaps and ailerons I went too far with the heat shrink
and bowed the leading edges. Not a lot but enough that the hinges could not
be installed. Had to recover. Just watch the L..E. and when it just starts
to bend...STOP.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431960#431960
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