Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-nl
April 28, 2015 - June 09, 2015
| Subject: | Re: Firefly/447 RPM question |
That's what I'm thinking. I can't see well enough to tell minute
differences.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
I have always heard that, but years ago when I was building dirt bikes - 2
stroke - I would check the plugs after a plain "ride," and then do a run at
a specific speed or load to check the jetting, and I couldn't see the
difference. Perhaps an expert with a magnifying glass could, but in my
laymans experience, the plugs sort of were what they were. For instance,
putting in brand new plugs, going out and doing a test, and then pulling
them and looking at them, there was not enough accumulation to tell much of
anything.
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and
those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Baker <jimbaker(at)npacc.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firefly/447 RPM question |
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| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
Lookin' forward to seeing Steve's new MKIII!
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West1m
Hastings, MN
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441457#441457
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly/447 RPM question |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
OK, had a good flying day today. Temp when we started flying was low 60's. MKIII
Classic, 582, 2 people, 1@200 lbs, 1@185. Full throttle climbout, 6300 rpm,
50 mph, EGT 1000. Water temp constant at 140 in all situations.
Cruise 1075-1100 EGT, stayed very constant, no appreciable variability. RPM varies
5500-5900. (Lots of lift & sink across the low hills) Airspeed averaged 65.
Temp later in the day 70, no change in any of the above numbers, airspeed on final
approach at a couple different strips was 60, EGT 1000 @ 3000-3800 rpm. I
fly cruise airspeed until time to throttle back, dump the flaps, and reset the
trim.
Final numbers, 1.5 hours total, 7 gallons used. Last landing of the day before
I took the pictures had time on final of probably less than a minute at 3-4k rpm,
burst of power on short final. Landing, turning around and taxiing to the
hangar took probably around a minute and a half, was at a low rpm, EGT was at
900. Pulled the plugs and took several pictures, this one is the most accurate
in terms of how they actually looked. Interestingly, the plugs at the PTO end
were lighter and more reddish, the ones at the mag end were a bit darker and
more grey.
Numbering from left to right, #1 is closest to the mag. #2 is also mag end cylinder,
but closer to the PTO end, #3 is the PTO side cylinder, mag end, and #4
is PTO side cylinder, PTO end. Have no idea why the difference.
Based on everything I have seen today, and on the way the plugs look now (IMO slightly
on the rich side of ideal) I think that once summer gets here with much
hotter temperatures, I will raise the needle clip by one notch to lower the
needle and lean it a tad, and in the fall drop it back down to its current position
to richen it a bit in the winter.
Not sure that this establishes any sort of jetting/load/EGT/spark plug doctrine
or proves anything, I just found this whole topic interesting and wanted to pursue
it. Maybe it will be food for thought, and as Beauford says: worth what
ya paid for it.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those
to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441475#441475
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firefly/447 RPM question |
Well today the wind was light and variable and it was 60 by noon. Headed to
the airport.
By the time I got launched into the air, it was nearly 2PM. Rough and bumpy!
Just enough thermal action to make it not pleasant. Went up to 1500' AGL
and it only got worse. Dropped back to 800' and it was a little better.
Did some playing around at different RPM's and airspeeds. 5500 was yielding
about 60 to 65 indicated. Nosing over and unloading the engine would spike
the EGT. I have reset the alarm to 1190 Saw it jump to 1220 once. Quick
application of throttle or enricher takes care of it. Flew for about 30
minutes between 5 and 6K. Not much fun so headed back. EGT spike again,
added full enrich to keep it cool. Kept some power on all the way to the
ground and made a nice landing. Back to idle, tail down, engine quit!
WTH???
Turns out I just forgot to take off the enrich and I flooded it. Got it
going again and taxied back to the hangar. Decided to add 1/2 of pitch to
the prop. Messed around with that for a while, had a soft drink, visited
around some. Then could not stand it any longer, had to go back up.
Was able to get 6300+ on takeoff and it still climbs like a scalded cat. Air
was a little smoother, so decided to go for a ride. Flew up to my house ~20
miles away. At 5500 I was getting a consistent 65 MPH indicated, 600o would
get me to 70. In the thermals if I nosed over to keep from climbing, I could
easily see 70-75 MPH. Air was still rough enough it was hard to maintain
speed AND altitude. So I would work on one, then the other. Even at 5000 RPM
I was still seeing 60 MPH or more and the EGT was running in the mid to
upper 1100 range but no alarms going off.
Back to the airport, if I pulled power into the high 4000 range and nosed
over, I would get an alarm. Just as I was struggling to get down for a
landing, I noticed that the wind had shifted and was now on my tail. Go
around time! Circled and got lined up for the opposite end and still had
some trouble getting down, even with some fairly aggressive slips. Backed
down to the3500 range and nosed over, then the ground came up fast.
Airspeed was at 50 so all was well, added some power and rounded out for a
fairly decent landing.
So all in all, the mid-range lean problem is much smaller than it was and
even though I moved the prop a little towards a cruise setting it did not
affect the climb at all. I want to get up in some really smooth air to do
more testing before making any more changes. 1.8 hours on the tach and a
good day!
Thanks for all the advice and input. This is going to be FUN!
Stuart
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| From: | Jim Baker <jimbaker(at)npacc.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firefly/447 RPM question |
This a single point egt setup?
Jim Baker
405 426 5377
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Pike <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 8:55 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question
OK, had a good flying day today. Temp when we started flying was low 60's. MKIII
Classic, 582, 2 people, 1@200 lbs, 1@185. Full throttle climbout, 6300 rpm,
50 mph, EGT 1000. Water temp constant at 140 in all situations.
Cruise 1075-1100 EGT, stayed very constant, no appreciable variability. RPM varies
5500-5900. (Lots of lift & sink across the low hills) Airspeed averaged 65.
Temp later in the day 70, no change in any of the above numbers, airspeed on final
approach at a couple different strips was 60, EGT 1000 @ 3000-3800 rpm. I
fly cruise airspeed until time to throttle back, dump the flaps, and reset the
trim.
Final numbers, 1.5 hours total, 7 gallons used. Last landing of the day before
I took the pictures had time on final of probably less than a minute at 3-4k rpm,
burst of power on short final. Landing, turning around and taxiing to the
hangar took probably around a minute and a half, was at a low rpm, EGT was at
900. Pulled the plugs and took several pictures, this one is the most accurate
in terms of how they actually looked. Interestingly, the plugs at the PTO end
were lighter and more reddish, the ones at the mag end were a bit darker and
more grey.
Numbering from left to right, #1 is closest to the mag. #2 is also mag end cylinder,
but closer to the PTO end, #3 is the PTO side cylinder, mag end, and #4
is PTO side cylinder, PTO end. Have no idea why the difference.
Based on everything I have seen today, and on the way the plugs look now (IMO slightly
on the rich side of ideal) I think that once summer gets here with much
hotter temperatures, I will raise the needle clip by one notch to lower the
needle and lean it a tad, and in the fall drop it back down to its current position
to richen it a bit in the winter.
Not sure that this establishes any sort of jetting/load/EGT/spark plug doctrine
or proves anything, I just found this whole topic interesting and wanted to pursue
it. Maybe it will be food for thought, and as Beauford says: worth what
ya paid for it.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those
to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441475#441475
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1040455_medium_124.jpg
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firefly/447 RPM question |
There are probes for both cylinders (and heads). The page I was using on the EIS
shows Altitude and Rate of Climb so it only shows the hottest cylinder.
Adding the small amount of pitch did increase the head temps by a few degrees,
but they are staying below 400.
This is a single carb setup and the rear cylinder runs a few degrees warmer than
the front.
Stuart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Baker
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 5:30 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question
This a single point egt setup?
Jim Baker
405 426 5377
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Pike <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 8:55 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question
-->
OK, had a good flying day today. Temp when we started flying was low 60's. MKIII
Classic, 582, 2 people, 1@200 lbs, 1@185. Full throttle climbout, 6300 rpm,
50 mph, EGT 1000. Water temp constant at 140 in all situations.
Cruise 1075-1100 EGT, stayed very constant, no appreciable variability. RPM varies
5500-5900. (Lots of lift & sink across the low hills) Airspeed averaged 65.
Temp later in the day 70, no change in any of the above numbers, airspeed on final
approach at a couple different strips was 60, EGT 1000 @ 3000-3800 rpm. I
fly cruise airspeed until time to throttle back, dump the flaps, and reset the
trim.
Final numbers, 1.5 hours total, 7 gallons used. Last landing of the day before
I took the pictures had time on final of probably less than a minute at 3-4k rpm,
burst of power on short final. Landing, turning around and taxiing to the
hangar took probably around a minute and a half, was at a low rpm, EGT was at
900. Pulled the plugs and took several pictures, this one is the most accurate
in terms of how they actually looked. Interestingly, the plugs at the PTO end
were lighter and more reddish, the ones at the mag end were a bit darker and
more grey.
Numbering from left to right, #1 is closest to the mag. #2 is also mag end cylinder,
but closer to the PTO end, #3 is the PTO side cylinder, mag end, and #4
is PTO side cylinder, PTO end. Have no idea why the difference.
Based on everything I have seen today, and on the way the plugs look now (IMO slightly
on the rich side of ideal) I think that once summer gets here with much
hotter temperatures, I will raise the needle clip by one notch to lower the
needle and lean it a tad, and in the fall drop it back down to its current position
to richen it a bit in the winter.
Not sure that this establishes any sort of jetting/load/EGT/spark plug doctrine
or proves anything, I just found this whole topic interesting and wanted to pursue
it. Maybe it will be food for thought, and as Beauford says: worth what
ya paid for it.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those
to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441475#441475
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1040455_medium_124.jpg
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firefly/447 RPM question |
I believe it is normal for the PTO cylinder to run warmer than the Mag cylinder
based on the cooling system configuration.
Over the years I discovered Rotax two stroke engines were tuned at the factory
for 0 to 1500 feet ASL on a 70F day. To keep temps in the green, all that is
necessary is prop the engine/aircraft correctly. I also discovered if I propped
the engine/aircraft to just bump the red line, 6500 rpm, wide open throttle,
straight and level flight, all parameters were happy and I got the best performance,
climb and cruise, with a fixed pitch/ground adjustable prop.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
This is a single carb setup and the rear cylinder runs a few degrees warmer than
the front.
Stuart
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| From: | "Jerry Scrabeck" <skrabekk(at)charter.net> |
I=99m still hopeing to find someone who has a 5 inch .058 6061
alum. tube to replace my twinstar=98s broken spar.need 12 ft,. 4
in.Any information on manufacturers or retailers also appreciated. Jerry
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firefly/447 RPM question |
Airport elevation is 1940' so that would make me think that the factory setup would
run rich but that is not what I am seeing. I have checked the carb and all
the parts are original sizes.
Total time on the engine is only 20 hours, so I am inclined to leave things about
where they are until I get another 20 or so on it. If I do anything, it would
be to add another little bit of pitch.
In ND we are the state of wild temperature changes so there is likely to be at
least some variation from day to day.
Stuart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 8:39 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question
I believe it is normal for the PTO cylinder to run warmer than the Mag cylinder
based on the cooling system configuration.
Over the years I discovered Rotax two stroke engines were tuned at the factory
for 0 to 1500 feet ASL on a 70F day. To keep temps in the green, all that is
necessary is prop the engine/aircraft correctly. I also discovered if I propped
the engine/aircraft to just bump the red line, 6500 rpm, wide open throttle,
straight and level flight, all parameters were happy and I got the best performance,
climb and cruise, with a fixed pitch/ground adjustable prop.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
This is a single carb setup and the rear cylinder runs a few degrees warmer than
the front.
Stuart
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| From: | "George Myers" <gmyers(at)grandecom.net> |
I have a 5=9D twinstar tube 14=996=9D long.
George Myers
1500 IH 35 South
San Marcos, TX 78666
512-353-4860
Mon-Fri 9am to 5pm
Sat 9am to 3pm
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Scrabeck
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 10:41 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: 5 inch tube
I=99m still hopeing to find someone who has a 5 inch .058 6061
alum. tube to replace my twinstar=98s broken spar.need 12 ft,. 4
in.Any information on manufacturers or retailers also appreciated. Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly/447 RPM question |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
[quote="John Hauck"]I believe it is normal for the PTO cylinder to run warmer than
the Mag cylinder based on the cooling system configuration.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
[quote]
Is that for air cooled or water cooled? I can see that for aircooled on a pusher,
but how would that work on a 582? The water temp ought to be 140 on both cylinders
since that was what my new probe in the head was claiming.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those
to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'
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| From: | Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
Jerry
Hope you understand my position...once I began to think about
shipping...I could see that I did not have the ability to get it to you
safely... It is wrapped and in the barn...if you know of someone who can
pick it up...
I do not know of anyone...Travis tells me that , and I think I told
you. the only plant is in Ohio and they require 1000 lb order to run the
6 and 5 inch tubes.. Not sure about that..but a search of the web did
not turn anything up...
Herb
On 04/29/2015 10:40 AM, Jerry Scrabeck wrote:
> Im still hopeing to find someone who has a 5 inch .058 6061 alum.
> tube to replace my twinstars broken spar.need 12 ft,. 4 in.Any
> information on manufacturers or retailers also appreciated. Jerry
> *
>
>
> *
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firefly/447 RPM question |
Air cooled.
jrh
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From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:56 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question
-->
[quote="John Hauck"]I believe it is normal for the PTO cylinder to run
warmer than the Mag cylinder based on the cooling system configuration.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
[quote]
Is that for air cooled or water cooled? I can see that for aircooled on a
pusher, but how would that work on a 582? The water temp ought to be 140 on
both cylinders since that was what my new probe in the head was claiming.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and
those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Check with an irrigation company. They use 5 and 6 inch 6061T6 for
their circle irrigation systems. The only problem with attempting to
obtain a tube from them is the condition of the tube after it leaves the
mill. They don't baby them the way we airplane builders do. They will
be scratched and dented. If you could find one with minor flaws, could
probably be polished out. I see a few specimens that have been saved
and are still flying, although I don't think I would want one on my
mkIII.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 5 inch tube
Jerry
Hope you understand my position...once I began to think about
shipping...I could see that I did not have the ability to get it to you
safely... It is wrapped and in the barn...if you know of someone who can
pick it up...
I do not know of anyone...Travis tells me that , and I think I told
you. the only plant is in Ohio and they require 1000 lb order to run the
6 and 5 inch tubes.. Not sure about that..but a search of the web did
not turn anything up...
Herb
On 04/29/2015 10:40 AM, Jerry Scrabeck wrote:
I=99m still hopeing to find someone who has a 5 inch .058 6061
alum. tube to replace my twinstar=98s broken spar.need 12 ft,. 4
in.Any information on manufacturers or retailers also appreciated. Jerry
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| From: | "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com> |
Hi, Gang,
The gentleman from Minnesota has decided not to buy my Mark III Classic, so if
anyone knows of an interested party, please forward this information.
I've tried to attach a picture, but not sure it stuck! I have lots of pictures
and an equipment sheet that I'll be glad to forward off-list.
Thanks,
Dave Watkins
954-608-5423
david.watkins0(at)gmail.com
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Shucks!
Thought for sure it was sold.
Yep, that is the same flyer I saw tacked over the urinal in
the porta-pottie near my tent at Lakeland. ;-)
john h
mkIII
Athens, Tennessee
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Watkinsdw
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:41 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: N58SG Sold
Hi, Gang,
The gentleman from Minnesota has decided not to buy my Mark
III Classic, so if anyone knows of an interested party,
please forward this information.
I've tried to attach a picture, but not sure it stuck! I
have lots of pictures and an equipment sheet that I'll be
glad to forward off-list.
Thanks,
Dave Watkins
954-608-5423
david.watkins0(at)gmail.com
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Photoshare, and much much more:
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| From: | "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 04/29/15 |
> still hopeing to find someone who has a 5 inch
Jerry, my buddy here in Fresno has three(3) tubes. All new and properly
stored. He is getting out of aviation after 70-some years.
Gimme a call or txt at (559) 287-5983
George
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| Subject: | Re: second chantz chutes |
| From: | "crankpot" <bobg379(at)yahoo.com> |
Ok i talked to John dunlap and everything seems fine. I pulled the canopy from
my canister to inspect it as he instructed and it looked and smelled like brand
new. He says he'll inspect and test the fabric and lines for strength and if
they pass will rebuild my canopy into his new system for $1495. BRS wouldnt even
touch it as they claim after 24 years you must buy their new $4000 system.
Will report back later.
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1984 kolb ultrstar
Former 1997 kolb firestat
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| From: | "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com> |
I received an inquiry about my Mk III via "private message" last week from a lister
who is looking for a very clean Mk III that he can feel comfortable flying
his wife and kids. Can't seem to find the address. Hoping that he received my
reply.
If not, please resend your request.
Thanks, and clear skies to all!
Dave Watkins
MkIII Classic
Pompano Beach, FL
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| From: | "Db4spd" <dboothe3(at)bellsouth.net> |
That would be me. I am new to the site but have been lurking for a while.
I have been reading up on the Kolb line of aircraft and leaning toward building
my own.
It is obvious one can save a ton of money by buying this particular plane.
I will PM you again.
Thanks
Derek
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Getting back into light aircraft building and flying
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| Subject: | Re: 250# pilot to heavy to solo Kolbra? |
| From: | "w0odi" <woodyz1957(at)gmail.com> |
Ralph B wrote:
> Larry, as far as your up front max weight of 260 lbs, it's not a problem. My
wife and I weigh about 400 lbs (total weight of course) ahead of the cg and yes
the nose is a little heavy, but I always have enough up elevator to make safe
landings. I would recommend the Rotax 912uls (100 hp) for max performance and
the added weight aft of the cg to offset your weight if you are concerned about
it. I have my weight and balance sheets on file if you are interested.
>
> I have made several videos with my wife and I flying the Kolbra. She does all
the video from the rear seat and yes you will be able to fly yours from the front.
If you would like to see any of these videos they are here on my youtube
channel:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/user/flyguy8294
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks Ralph I have watched most of your videos and really enjoy them.. but you
guys are polar bears.....I am from missouri and it doesn't get that cold very
often down here Thank The Lord.... any way I just wanted to thank you for your
kind reply and Dennis told me you fly a regular firestar and you are some
lighter than me but he mentioned you said it flew fine with your weight.. Thanks
again for your comment on this..
>
> Larry
>
> Ralph
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| Subject: | what kind of seat do you have in your Kolb Firestar II |
| From: | "w0odi" <woodyz1957(at)gmail.com> |
I just would like to see what kind of a seat you have in your Kolb Firestar II..
I am 6'2" and 260 and I sat in one recently and it seemed like i was leaning way
back is that normal? I won't bee needing the room for the second seat since
I am to heavy for passengers..
I hope to see some pics of your seat configurations..or any ideas on how to make
it more comfortable for me..
I tried to ad a pic dunno if it worked or not..... my wife told me I looked like
a bull in a china shop...lol
Thanks
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: what kind of seat do you have in your Kolb Firestar II |
| From: | "w0odi" <woodyz1957(at)gmail.com> |
try again
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: what kind of seat do you have in your Kolb Firestar II |
I have an old original Firestar, and when sitting on level ground it gives the
impression of leaning way back. I have the sling seat. When flying yours,
the tail will come up above level, and the seat will seem normal. Try sitting
in it while the tail is lifted up a few inches above level.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks,
Ct.
original FS,
447
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On Sun, 5/3/15, w0odi wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: what kind of seat do you have in your Kolb Firestar II
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Sunday, May 3, 2015, 11:58 PM
"w0odi"
I just would like to see what kind of a seat you have in
your Kolb Firestar II..
I am 6'2" and 260 and I sat in one recently and it seemed
like i was leaning way back is that normal? I won't
bee needing the room for the second seat since I am to heavy
for passengers..
I hope to see some pics of your seat configurations..or any
ideas on how to make it more comfortable for me..
I tried to ad a pic dunno if it worked or not..... my wife
told me I looked like a bull in a china shop...lol
Thanks
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: what kind of seat do you have in your Kolb Firestar II |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Owner is about 5'11" and 260 pounds, likes this seat real well. http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/FSII%20seat%20page.html
With this windshield getting in and out was easy.
http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/Latch.html
Check the last picture on this page - 2 tubes made it much more difficult.
http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/Panel.htm
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those
to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'
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| Subject: | Re: what kind of seat do you have in your Kolb Firestar II |
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
w0odi wrote:
> - S - N - I - P -
> I am 6'2" and 260 and I sat in one recently and it seemed like i was leaning
way back is that normal? I won't bee needing the room for the second seat since
I am to heavy for passengers..
>
> I hope to see some pics of your seat configurations..or any ideas on how to make
it more comfortable for me..
> - S - N - I - P -
> Thanks
> Larry
Larry:
You and I are about the same dimensions... and I have a FS II.
While I don't have a picture of my seat configuration, I'll offer this:
Refer to the attached in-flight picture.
Bill Sullivan is correct about sitting upright when the tail comes up to flying
stance.
and
Assuming that you are average proportions for 6'2" (legs & torso) you may encounter
a problem (minor) with your knees sticking up. I tend to fly with my legs
flayed to the outside to give maximum throw of the stick for the ailerons. As
you can see in the picture, I don't have/need a full enclosure.
The remedy for this situation would be to reconfigure the seat to move it back.
The biggest issue in doing this would be to move the tube that runs horizontally
behind the seat back. While it does serve the purpose of being a stop for
the seat back, its primary purpose (according to Dennis Jackson, Kolb's master
welder) is to minimize the collapsing of the cage should it opt to become a
lawn dart.
One thing that helped a little was to reduce the padding in seat (both bottom and
back). I replaced the foam the builder had use with the 1" memory foam. Probably
only gave me an additional 1/2" to 1" in both pieces, but every little
bit helps.
Also gave consideration to moving the rudder pedals forward, but with size 13 shoes,
there's only so much room in that nose pod.
Bottom line, the near standard configuration has not been a problem for me and
I've been flying this FS II for over 10 years. If you are planning to do a lot
of cross country with 2-3 hour legs, your results may vary.
Here is the link to a YouTube video with the camera mounted under the wing. May
be able to see how it is. As the Turtle Man would say..... "Live Action"
https://youtu.be/dOte07vGiEg
"Worth what you paid fer it." Beauford William Tuton III
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George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Dennis Souder permissions |
Try this _flykolb(at)pa.net_ (mailto:flykolb(at)pa.net)
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
In a message dated 5/9/2015 10:32:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
thegreybaron(at)charter.net writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike"
Does anyone on the list have a current email address or phone # for
Dennis?
Do not archive
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,'
and those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'
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| Subject: | Re: Dennis Souder permissions |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Talked to Travis at Kolb; everything is cool.
Matt Dralle - you can delete this thread, thanks.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those
to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'
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| Subject: | Horizontal stab position |
| From: | Tony Malins <malins888(at)gmail.com> |
My Kolb flew again yesterday, and the test pilot, another Mk3x owner,
commented that the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer appeared to be
set too high on the boom. Could someone send me some photos of one
correctly fixed. Aussie Tony
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Horizontal stab position |
Tony:
Can you send us a photo of your horizontal stabilizer?
What was the test pilot's observation of the horizontal stabilizer based
on?
Was it, by chance, because the aircraft needs nose up pitch trim?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Malins
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 5:27 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Horizontal stab position
My Kolb flew again yesterday, and the test pilot, another Mk3x owner,
commented that the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer appeared to
be set too high on the boom. Could someone send me some photos of one
correctly fixed. Aussie Tony
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| From: | Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Firefly quick build and Danny Day |
Trying to locate Danny Day...mentioned in an UL news article a few weeks
back... Engine rebuilder in Phoenix Arizona...I have two engines which
have had the Rotax label removed and his name and probably a serial
number engraved on a copper plate installed in its place... I need to
know the history of these engines.. for I bought them and a Kolb Firefly
quick build and a Trike from an estate in LA County California...I
suspect that they are fresh rebuilds or low time engines...but cannot be
sure...one is a 447 that looks new...the other is a nice running 503...
I plan to sell the trike and and the 503 and finish the Firefly...and
keep the 447 for it...
Thus far , I am missing motor mounts, rudder and elevator cables.
tail wheel rod, seat webbing,right axle. Likely in a box that went to
the L.A. county landfill! :-) Herb
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| From: | Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | New Firefly quick build |
Here is a pic of the quick build cage..Just got the vert stab and rudder
installed this evening.. Herb
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| Subject: | Re: Horizontal stab position |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Dude, I'll do you better than that: here is what's left of the blueprints that
tell you exactly where they are supposed to go. The front of the horizontal stab
is even with the top of the boom tube. Parts of the blueprint are missing:
the mice got hungry.
True story.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'
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| Subject: | Re: Horizontal stab position |
| From: | "Frankd" <FDucker(at)aol.com> |
Hi Tony,
Before you change anything, how did the plane fly? I had an issue like this on
my MkIII Xtra that made the aircraft unsafe to fly, but if the flight went
well on your aircraft maybe there are no changes to be made.
Now, like John H mentioned, if the aircraft needed full up trim then maybe the
Horz Stab angle is set incorrectly. But all these planes are a little different
to each other and I would review the flight handling first before making
any change. Also, make small changes using washers, etc, if you can, until you
get it dialed in.
Safe flying.
FrankD
N1014S, MkIIIXtra.
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| From: | Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firefly quick build and Danny Day |
if you give me the diameter of the tail spring =C2-I may have a pice of 7
0_75 alum also Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair http://michigansportpilotrepair.comLSRM-A, PPC,
WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:50 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly quick build and Danny Day
Trying to locate Danny Day...mentioned in an UL news article a few weeks
back... Engine rebuilder in Phoenix Arizona...I have two engines which
have had the Rotax label removed and his name and probably a serial
number engraved on a copper plate installed in its place... I need to
know the history of these engines.. for I bought them and a Kolb Firefly
quick build and a Trike from an estate in LA County California...I
suspect that they are fresh rebuilds or low time engines...but cannot be
sure...one is a 447 that looks new...the other is a nice running 503...
I plan to sell the trike and and the 503 and finish the Firefly...and
keep the 447 for it...
=C2- Thus far , I am missing motor mounts, rudder and elevator cables.
tail wheel rod, seat webbing,right axle.=C2- Likely in a box that went to
the L.A. county landfill! :-)=C2- Herb
S -
-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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| From: | Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firefly quick build and Danny Day |
Herb I have a set of new =C2-firefly axils ,a folding wing holder, the pa
rt that sits on the boom tube and can sew a seat for you. I also have a win
d screen =C2-call or email off list for moor info=C2-=C2- the Danny D
ay thing is a mystery to me! Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair http://michigansportpilotrepair.comLSRM-A, PPC,
WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:50 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly quick build and Danny Day
Trying to locate Danny Day...mentioned in an UL news article a few weeks
back... Engine rebuilder in Phoenix Arizona...I have two engines which
have had the Rotax label removed and his name and probably a serial
number engraved on a copper plate installed in its place... I need to
know the history of these engines.. for I bought them and a Kolb Firefly
quick build and a Trike from an estate in LA County California...I
suspect that they are fresh rebuilds or low time engines...but cannot be
sure...one is a 447 that looks new...the other is a nice running 503...
I plan to sell the trike and and the 503 and finish the Firefly...and
keep the 447 for it...
=C2- Thus far , I am missing motor mounts, rudder and elevator cables.
tail wheel rod, seat webbing,right axle.=C2- Likely in a box that went to
the L.A. county landfill! :-)=C2- Herb
S -
-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Horizontal stab position |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
The L.E. position of the horiz. stab. has been changed several times since the
Xtra came out. I set mine per instructions from Brian at TNK and it has worked
great. I think it was given in degrees using the motor mounts as a base. He
also gave me the wing angle based on the same. I used a digital level. Call
Travis or Brian for information.
Rex (will have my 40 hours flown off by this summer)
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| From: | Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firefly quick build and Danny Day |
Quite a few small parts missing...and I was promised a box of parts from
California that were left behind...gonna wait on that ...... plus I
will be at the Kolb factory next week...so will save shipping...Herb
On 05/15/2015 07:59 AM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote:
> if you give me the diameter of the tail spring I may have a pice of
> 70_75 alum also
> Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
> Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
> *http://michigansportpilotrepair.com*
> <http://michigansportpilotrepair.com/>
> LSRM-A, PPC, WS
> Great Sails - Sailmaker
> for Ultralight & Light Sport
> (989)513-3022
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Herb
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:50 PM
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Firefly quick build and Danny Day
>
> >
>
>
> Trying to locate Danny Day...mentioned in an UL news article a few weeks
> back... Engine rebuilder in Phoenix Arizona...I have two engines which
> have had the Rotax label removed and his name and probably a serial
> number engraved on a copper plate installed in its place... I need to
> know the history of these engines.. for I bought them and a Kolb Firefly
> quick build and a Trike from an estate in LA County California...I
> suspect that they are fresh rebuilds or low time engines...but cannot be
> sure...one is a 447 that looks new...the other is a nice running 503...
> I plan to sell the trike and and the 503 and finish the Firefly...and
> keep the 447 for it...
>
> Thus far , I am missing motor mounts, rudder and elevator cables.
> tail wheel rod, seat webbing,right axle. Likely in a box that went to
> the L.A. county lb-List"
> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Lista
> href="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.mat
> &nbs//www.matronics.com/contribution"
> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.co=================
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firefly quick build and Danny Day |
thes parts I have are new 10 years old =C2-never installed=C2-=C2- I
got them from an estate sail in Michigan ill sell them cheep=C2- so let m
e know Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair http://michigansportpilotrepair.comLSRM-A, PPC,
WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly quick build and Danny Day
Quite a few small parts missing...and I was promised a box of parts from
California that were left behind...gonna wait on that ...... plus=C2- I w
ill be at the Kolb factory next week...so will save shipping...Herb=C2-
On 05/15/2015 07:59 AM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote:
if you give me the diameter of the tail spring =C2-I may have a pice o
f 70_75 alum also Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair http://michigansportpilotrepair.com LSRM-A, P
PC, WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022 =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:50 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly quick build and Danny Day
Trying to locate Danny Day...mentioned in an UL news article a few weeks
back... Engine rebuilder in Phoenix Arizona...I have two engines which
have had the Rotax label removed and his name and probably a serial
number engraved on a copper plate installed in its place... I need to
know the history of these engines.. for I bought them and a Kolb Firefly
quick build and a Trike from an estate in LA County California...I
suspect that they are fresh rebuilds or low time engines...but cannot be
sure...one is a 447 that looks new...the other is a nice running 503...
I plan to sell the trike and and the 503 and finish the Firefly...and
keep the 447 for it...
=C2- Thus far , I am missing motor mounts, rudder and elevator cables.
tail wheel rod, seat webbing,right axle.=C2- Likely in a box that went t
o
the L.A. county lb-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Naviga
tor?Kolb-Lista href="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http
://forums.mat =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- &nbs//www.matronics.com/contribution" target="_blank">http://w
ww.matronics.co=================
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
=0AHi KOLBERS as you may know i am building a handicap Kolb Firefly . it id
the second Kolb Ivhave buit my firstwas a Fiestar fat and fast .I have a r
equest does anybodyvhave a picture of thier Firefly cables after they leave
the stick and rudder pedals they go overfour pulleys then under four pulle
ys then into the fusalage tube .My prblem is thwt ill-=0A=0A=0A-cant fi
nd a plan or an explanaton -of how the first four are rigged TRAVIS has s
ent me plans and a new construction kanual as I.had to move my roject from
Fl. To Ma. And somehow it disapeared Travis said they use washrs to pace th
em but the angle seems wrongvthe cables -don travel strait over the pulle
y when you run them throughvth next set so a PIC or two would help a lot TR
AVIS Said tha BRIAN -changed the design since the plans were drawn?=0A=0A
Thankq you CHRIS DAVIS=0A=0ASent from Yahoo Mail on Androidk=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Horizontal stab position |
| From: | Tony Malins <malins888(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the info Rex. Will do that.
Cheers
Tony
On 16/05/2015 12:54 AM, "Rex Rodebush" wrote:
>
> The L.E. position of the horiz. stab. has been changed several times since
> the Xtra came out. I set mine per instructions from Brian at TNK and it
> has worked great. I think it was given in degrees using the motor mounts
> as a base. He also gave me the wing angle based on the same. I used a
> digital level. Call Travis or Brian for information.
>
> Rex (will have my 40 hours flown off by this summer)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442140#442140
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: firefly cables |
| From: | "Ducati SS" <hiwingflyer6219(at)yahoo.com> |
Go to page 7 of this list and open Kolbd detail photos. Pictures of stick connections,
turn buckles and boom pulley.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442165#442165
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
Here are some greatly reduced images. Hopefully they are what you need.
If you want to see the original files email me directly and I can send them
to you. They are about 1.5 MB each.
Stuart
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of chris davis
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:30 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: firefly cables
Hi KOLBERS as you may know i am building a handicap Kolb Firefly . it id the
second Kolb Ivhave buit my firstwas a Fiestar fat and fast .I have a request
does anybodyvhave a picture of thier Firefly cables after they leave the
stick and rudder pedals they go overfour pulleys then under four pulleys
then into the fusalage tube .My prblem is thwt ill
cant find a plan or an explanaton of how the first four are rigged TRAVIS
has sent me plans and a new construction kanual as I.had to move my roject
from Fl. To Ma. And somehow it disapeared Travis said they use washrs to
pace them but the angle seems wrongvthe cables don travel strait over the
pulley when you run them throughvth next set so a PIC or two would help a
lot TRAVIS Said tha BRIAN changed the design since the plans were drawn?
Thankq you CHRIS DAVIS
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
k
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | MKIII Classic construction drawings online |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
I hope this will be a useful resource.
http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/Lexan%20rear%20enclosure.html
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those
to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442170#442170
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jules <delaunj53(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 05/15/15 |
I am trying to reschedule to attend but will probably be late.
On May 16, 2015, at 2:03 AM, Kolb-List Digest Server
wrote:
*
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Total Messages Posted Fri 05/15/15: 8
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Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 08:58 AM - Re: Horizontal stab position (Frankd)
2. 10:00 AM - Re: Firefly quick build and Danny Day (Malcolm Brubaker)
3. 10:05 AM - Re: Firefly quick build and Danny Day (Malcolm Brubaker)
4. 10:51 AM - Re: Horizontal stab position (Rex Rodebush)
5. 12:30 PM - Re: Firefly quick build and Danny Day (Herb)
6. 01:28 PM - Re: Firefly quick build and Danny Day (Malcolm Brubaker)
7. 08:30 PM - firefly cables (chris davis)
8. 10:49 PM - Re: Re: Horizontal stab position (Tony Malins)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Horizontal stab position
From: "Frankd" <FDucker(at)aol.com>
Hi Tony,
Before you change anything, how did the plane fly? I had an issue like this on
my MkIII Xtra that made the aircraft unsafe to fly, but if the flight went
well on your aircraft maybe there are no changes to be made.
Now, like John H mentioned, if the aircraft needed full up trim then maybe the
Horz Stab angle is set incorrectly. But all these planes are a little different
to each other and I would review the flight handling first before making
any change. Also, make small changes using washers, etc, if you can, until you
get it dialed in.
Safe flying.
FrankD
N1014S, MkIIIXtra.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442132#442132
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
From: Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly quick build and Danny Day
if you give me the diameter of the tail spring =C2-I may have a pice of 7
0_75 alum also Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair http://michigansportpilotrepair.comLSRM-A, PPC,
WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:50 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly quick build and Danny Day
Trying to locate Danny Day...mentioned in an UL news article a few weeks
back... Engine rebuilder in Phoenix Arizona...I have two engines which
have had the Rotax label removed and his name and probably a serial
number engraved on a copper plate installed in its place... I need to
know the history of these engines.. for I bought them and a Kolb Firefly
quick build and a Trike from an estate in LA County California...I
suspect that they are fresh rebuilds or low time engines...but cannot be
sure...one is a 447 that looks new...the other is a nice running 503...
I plan to sell the trike and and the 503 and finish the Firefly...and
keep the 447 for it...
=C2- Thus far , I am missing motor mounts, rudder and elevator cables.
tail wheel rod, seat webbing,right axle.=C2- Likely in a box that went to
the L.A. county landfill! :-)=C2- Herb
S -
-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
From: Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly quick build and Danny Day
Herb I have a set of new =C2-firefly axils ,a folding wing holder, the pa
rt that sits on the boom tube and can sew a seat for you. I also have a win
d screen =C2-call or email off list for moor info=C2-=C2- the Danny D
ay thing is a mystery to me! Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair http://michigansportpilotrepair.comLSRM-A, PPC,
WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:50 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly quick build and Danny Day
Trying to locate Danny Day...mentioned in an UL news article a few weeks
back... Engine rebuilder in Phoenix Arizona...I have two engines which
have had the Rotax label removed and his name and probably a serial
number engraved on a copper plate installed in its place... I need to
know the history of these engines.. for I bought them and a Kolb Firefly
quick build and a Trike from an estate in LA County California...I
suspect that they are fresh rebuilds or low time engines...but cannot be
sure...one is a 447 that looks new...the other is a nice running 503...
I plan to sell the trike and and the 503 and finish the Firefly...and
keep the 447 for it...
=C2- Thus far , I am missing motor mounts, rudder and elevator cables.
tail wheel rod, seat webbing,right axle.=C2- Likely in a box that went to
the L.A. county landfill! :-)=C2- Herb
S -
-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Horizontal stab position
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
The L.E. position of the horiz. stab. has been changed several times since the
Xtra came out. I set mine per instructions from Brian at TNK and it has worked
great. I think it was given in degrees using the motor mounts as a base. He
also gave me the wing angle based on the same. I used a digital level. Call
Travis or Brian for information.
Rex (will have my 40 hours flown off by this summer)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442140#442140
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly quick build and Danny Day
Quite a few small parts missing...and I was promised a box of parts from
California that were left behind...gonna wait on that ...... plus I
will be at the Kolb factory next week...so will save shipping...Herb
> On 05/15/2015 07:59 AM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote:
> if you give me the diameter of the tail spring I may have a pice of
> 70_75 alum also
> Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
> Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
> *http://michigansportpilotrepair.com*
> <http://michigansportpilotrepair.com/>
> LSRM-A, PPC, WS
> Great Sails - Sailmaker
> for Ultralight & Light Sport
> (989)513-3022
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Herb
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:50 PM
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Firefly quick build and Danny Day
>
> >
>
>
> Trying to locate Danny Day...mentioned in an UL news article a few weeks
> back... Engine rebuilder in Phoenix Arizona...I have two engines which
> have had the Rotax label removed and his name and probably a serial
> number engraved on a copper plate installed in its place... I need to
> know the history of these engines.. for I bought them and a Kolb Firefly
> quick build and a Trike from an estate in LA County California...I
> suspect that they are fresh rebuilds or low time engines...but cannot be
> sure...one is a 447 that looks new...the other is a nice running 503...
> I plan to sell the trike and and the 503 and finish the Firefly...and
> keep the 447 for it...
>
> Thus far , I am missing motor mounts, rudder and elevator cables.
> tail wheel rod, seat webbing,right axle. Likely in a box that went to
> the L.A. county lb-List"
> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Lista
> href="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.mat
> &nbs//www.matronics.com/contribution"
> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.co================
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
From: Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly quick build and Danny Day
thes parts I have are new 10 years old =C2-never installed=C2-=C2- I
got them from an estate sail in Michigan ill sell them cheep=C2- so let m
e know Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair http://michigansportpilotrepair.comLSRM-A, PPC,
WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly quick build and Danny Day
Quite a few small parts missing...and I was promised a box of parts from
California that were left behind...gonna wait on that ...... plus=C2- I w
ill be at the Kolb factory next week...so will save shipping...Herb=C2-
On 05/15/2015 07:59 AM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote:
if you give me the diameter of the tail spring =C2-I may have a pice o
f 70_75 alum also Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair http://michigansportpilotrepair.com LSRM-A, P
PC, WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022 =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:50 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly quick build and Danny Day
Trying to locate Danny Day...mentioned in an UL news article a few weeks
back... Engine rebuilder in Phoenix Arizona...I have two engines which
have had the Rotax label removed and his name and probably a serial
number engraved on a copper plate installed in its place... I need to
know the history of these engines.. for I bought them and a Kolb Firefly
quick build and a Trike from an estate in LA County California...I
suspect that they are fresh rebuilds or low time engines...but cannot be
sure...one is a 447 that looks new...the other is a nice running 503...
I plan to sell the trike and and the 503 and finish the Firefly...and
keep the 447 for it...
=C2- Thus far , I am missing motor mounts, rudder and elevator cables.
tail wheel rod, seat webbing,right axle.=C2- Likely in a box that went t
o
the L.A. county lb-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Naviga
tor?Kolb-Lista href="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http
://forums.mat =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- &nbs//www.matronics.com/contribution" target="_blank">http://w
ww.matronics.co================
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: firefly cables
=0AHi KOLBERS as you may know i am building a handicap Kolb Firefly . it id
the second Kolb Ivhave buit my firstwas a Fiestar fat and fast .I have a r
equest does anybodyvhave a picture of thier Firefly cables after they leave
the stick and rudder pedals they go overfour pulleys then under four pulle
ys then into the fusalage tube .My prblem is thwt ill-=0A=0A=0A-cant fi
nd a plan or an explanaton -of how the first four are rigged TRAVIS has s
ent me plans and a new construction kanual as I.had to move my roject from
Fl. To Ma. And somehow it disapeared Travis said they use washrs to pace th
em but the angle seems wrongvthe cables -don travel strait over the pulle
y when you run them throughvth next set so a PIC or two would help a lot TR
AVIS Said tha BRIAN -changed the design since the plans were drawn?=0A=0A
Thankq you CHRIS DAVIS=0A=0ASent from Yahoo Mail on Androidk=0A=0A
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Horizontal stab position
From: Tony Malins <malins888(at)gmail.com>
Thanks for the info Rex. Will do that.
Cheers
Tony
> On 16/05/2015 12:54 AM, "Rex Rodebush" wrote:
>
>
> The L.E. position of the horiz. stab. has been changed several times since
> the Xtra came out. I set mine per instructions from Brian at TNK and it
> has worked great. I think it was given in degrees using the motor mounts
> as a base. He also gave me the wing angle based on the same. I used a
> digital level. Call Travis or Brian for information.
>
> Rex (will have my 40 hours flown off by this summer)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442140#442140
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jules <delaunj53(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 05/15/15 |
I am trying to reschedule to attend but will probably be late.
On May 16, 2015, at 2:03 AM, Kolb-List Digest Server
wrote:
*
=================================================
Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
=================================================
Today's complete Kolb-List Digest can also be found in either of the
two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
of the Kolb-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
such as Notepad or with a web browser.
HTML Version:
http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 15-05-15&Archive=Kolb
Text Version:
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===============================================
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===============================================
----------------------------------------------------------
Kolb-List Digest Archive
---
Total Messages Posted Fri 05/15/15: 8
----------------------------------------------------------
Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 08:58 AM - Re: Horizontal stab position (Frankd)
2. 10:00 AM - Re: Firefly quick build and Danny Day (Malcolm Brubaker)
3. 10:05 AM - Re: Firefly quick build and Danny Day (Malcolm Brubaker)
4. 10:51 AM - Re: Horizontal stab position (Rex Rodebush)
5. 12:30 PM - Re: Firefly quick build and Danny Day (Herb)
6. 01:28 PM - Re: Firefly quick build and Danny Day (Malcolm Brubaker)
7. 08:30 PM - firefly cables (chris davis)
8. 10:49 PM - Re: Re: Horizontal stab position (Tony Malins)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Horizontal stab position
From: "Frankd" <FDucker(at)aol.com>
Hi Tony,
Before you change anything, how did the plane fly? I had an issue like this on
my MkIII Xtra that made the aircraft unsafe to fly, but if the flight went
well on your aircraft maybe there are no changes to be made.
Now, like John H mentioned, if the aircraft needed full up trim then maybe the
Horz Stab angle is set incorrectly. But all these planes are a little different
to each other and I would review the flight handling first before making
any change. Also, make small changes using washers, etc, if you can, until you
get it dialed in.
Safe flying.
FrankD
N1014S, MkIIIXtra.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442132#442132
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
From: Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly quick build and Danny Day
if you give me the diameter of the tail spring =C2-I may have a pice of 7
0_75 alum also Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair http://michigansportpilotrepair.comLSRM-A, PPC,
WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:50 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly quick build and Danny Day
Trying to locate Danny Day...mentioned in an UL news article a few weeks
back... Engine rebuilder in Phoenix Arizona...I have two engines which
have had the Rotax label removed and his name and probably a serial
number engraved on a copper plate installed in its place... I need to
know the history of these engines.. for I bought them and a Kolb Firefly
quick build and a Trike from an estate in LA County California...I
suspect that they are fresh rebuilds or low time engines...but cannot be
sure...one is a 447 that looks new...the other is a nice running 503...
I plan to sell the trike and and the 503 and finish the Firefly...and
keep the 447 for it...
=C2- Thus far , I am missing motor mounts, rudder and elevator cables.
tail wheel rod, seat webbing,right axle.=C2- Likely in a box that went to
the L.A. county landfill! :-)=C2- Herb
S -
-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
From: Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly quick build and Danny Day
Herb I have a set of new =C2-firefly axils ,a folding wing holder, the pa
rt that sits on the boom tube and can sew a seat for you. I also have a win
d screen =C2-call or email off list for moor info=C2-=C2- the Danny D
ay thing is a mystery to me! Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair http://michigansportpilotrepair.comLSRM-A, PPC,
WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:50 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly quick build and Danny Day
Trying to locate Danny Day...mentioned in an UL news article a few weeks
back... Engine rebuilder in Phoenix Arizona...I have two engines which
have had the Rotax label removed and his name and probably a serial
number engraved on a copper plate installed in its place... I need to
know the history of these engines.. for I bought them and a Kolb Firefly
quick build and a Trike from an estate in LA County California...I
suspect that they are fresh rebuilds or low time engines...but cannot be
sure...one is a 447 that looks new...the other is a nice running 503...
I plan to sell the trike and and the 503 and finish the Firefly...and
keep the 447 for it...
=C2- Thus far , I am missing motor mounts, rudder and elevator cables.
tail wheel rod, seat webbing,right axle.=C2- Likely in a box that went to
the L.A. county landfill! :-)=C2- Herb
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________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Horizontal stab position
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
The L.E. position of the horiz. stab. has been changed several times since the
Xtra came out. I set mine per instructions from Brian at TNK and it has worked
great. I think it was given in degrees using the motor mounts as a base. He
also gave me the wing angle based on the same. I used a digital level. Call
Travis or Brian for information.
Rex (will have my 40 hours flown off by this summer)
Read this topic online here:
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From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly quick build and Danny Day
Quite a few small parts missing...and I was promised a box of parts from
California that were left behind...gonna wait on that ...... plus I
will be at the Kolb factory next week...so will save shipping...Herb
> On 05/15/2015 07:59 AM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote:
> if you give me the diameter of the tail spring I may have a pice of
> 70_75 alum also
> Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
> Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
> *http://michigansportpilotrepair.com*
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> LSRM-A, PPC, WS
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>
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> *From:* Herb
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:50 PM
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Firefly quick build and Danny Day
>
> >
>
>
> Trying to locate Danny Day...mentioned in an UL news article a few weeks
> back... Engine rebuilder in Phoenix Arizona...I have two engines which
> have had the Rotax label removed and his name and probably a serial
> number engraved on a copper plate installed in its place... I need to
> know the history of these engines.. for I bought them and a Kolb Firefly
> quick build and a Trike from an estate in LA County California...I
> suspect that they are fresh rebuilds or low time engines...but cannot be
> sure...one is a 447 that looks new...the other is a nice running 503...
> I plan to sell the trike and and the 503 and finish the Firefly...and
> keep the 447 for it...
>
> Thus far , I am missing motor mounts, rudder and elevator cables.
> tail wheel rod, seat webbing,right axle. Likely in a box that went to
> the L.A. county lb-List"
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From: Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly quick build and Danny Day
thes parts I have are new 10 years old =C2-never installed=C2-=C2- I
got them from an estate sail in Michigan ill sell them cheep=C2- so let m
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From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly quick build and Danny Day
Quite a few small parts missing...and I was promised a box of parts from
California that were left behind...gonna wait on that ...... plus=C2- I w
ill be at the Kolb factory next week...so will save shipping...Herb=C2-
On 05/15/2015 07:59 AM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote:
if you give me the diameter of the tail spring =C2-I may have a pice o
f 70_75 alum also Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair http://michigansportpilotrepair.com LSRM-A, P
PC, WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022 =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:50 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly quick build and Danny Day
Trying to locate Danny Day...mentioned in an UL news article a few weeks
back... Engine rebuilder in Phoenix Arizona...I have two engines which
have had the Rotax label removed and his name and probably a serial
number engraved on a copper plate installed in its place... I need to
know the history of these engines.. for I bought them and a Kolb Firefly
quick build and a Trike from an estate in LA County California...I
suspect that they are fresh rebuilds or low time engines...but cannot be
sure...one is a 447 that looks new...the other is a nice running 503...
I plan to sell the trike and and the 503 and finish the Firefly...and
keep the 447 for it...
=C2- Thus far , I am missing motor mounts, rudder and elevator cables.
tail wheel rod, seat webbing,right axle.=C2- Likely in a box that went t
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From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: firefly cables
=0AHi KOLBERS as you may know i am building a handicap Kolb Firefly . it id
the second Kolb Ivhave buit my firstwas a Fiestar fat and fast .I have a r
equest does anybodyvhave a picture of thier Firefly cables after they leave
the stick and rudder pedals they go overfour pulleys then under four pulle
ys then into the fusalage tube .My prblem is thwt ill-=0A=0A=0A-cant fi
nd a plan or an explanaton -of how the first four are rigged TRAVIS has s
ent me plans and a new construction kanual as I.had to move my roject from
Fl. To Ma. And somehow it disapeared Travis said they use washrs to pace th
em but the angle seems wrongvthe cables -don travel strait over the pulle
y when you run them throughvth next set so a PIC or two would help a lot TR
AVIS Said tha BRIAN -changed the design since the plans were drawn?=0A=0A
Thankq you CHRIS DAVIS=0A=0ASent from Yahoo Mail on Androidk=0A=0A
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Horizontal stab position
From: Tony Malins <malins888(at)gmail.com>
Thanks for the info Rex. Will do that.
Cheers
Tony
> On 16/05/2015 12:54 AM, "Rex Rodebush" wrote:
>
>
> The L.E. position of the horiz. stab. has been changed several times since
> the Xtra came out. I set mine per instructions from Brian at TNK and it
> has worked great. I think it was given in degrees using the motor mounts
> as a base. He also gave me the wing angle based on the same. I used a
> digital level. Call Travis or Brian for information.
>
> Rex (will have my 40 hours flown off by this summer)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442140#442140
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: firefly cables |
Stewart
On my first Friefly, the sling seat allowed my rear end stretch the
sling seat enough to touch the cables...Is that what you see? Herb
On 05/16/2015 10:09 AM, Stuart Harner wrote:
>
> Here are some greatly reduced images. Hopefully they are what you need.
>
> If you want to see the original files email me directly and I can send
> them to you. They are about 1.5 MB each.
>
> Stuart
>
> *From:*owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *chris davis
> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 10:30 PM
> *To:* Kolb-List Diget Server; .Kolb-List(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: firefly cables
>
>
> Hi KOLBERS as you may know i am building a handicap Kolb Firefly . it
> id the second Kolb Ivhave buit my firstwas a Fiestar fat and fast .I
> have a request does anybodyvhave a picture of thier Firefly cables
> after they leave the stick and rudder pedals they go overfour pulleys
> then under four pulleys then into the fusalage tube .My prblem is thwt
> ill
>
> cant find a plan or an explanaton of how the first four are rigged
> TRAVIS has sent me plans and a new construction kanual as I.had to
> move my roject from Fl. To Ma. And somehow it disapeared Travis said
> they use washrs to pace them but the angle seems wrongvthe cables don
> travel strait over the pulley when you run them throughvth next set so
> a PIC or two would help a lot TRAVIS Said tha BRIAN changed the
> design since the plans were drawn?
>
> Thankq you CHRIS DAVIS
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> k
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: firefly cables |
Stuartthank you for the pics they are very clear Ithonk that I can nloe the
m up on my compiter I have A wuestion the two brackets tjay hpld the pulley
s Arethey parrilell. To the cross bar?Mine appear to be at about 26-30 degr
eeup on the outsideand that seems to be the reason that the cables dont run
true to the pulleys .I will check out your picms on the big screen a.d if
I cant figure it out i will write you off list and ask you to send me the f
ull original files . Thanks again CHRIS=0A=0ASent from Yahoo Mail on Androi
d=0A=0AFrom:"Stuart Harner" =0ADate:Sat, May 16, 201
5 at 11:18 AM=0ASubject:RE: Kolb-List: firefly cables=0AUu=0A=0AHere are so
me grefttplpatly reduced images. Hopefully they are what you need.=0A=0A-
=0A=0AIf you want to see the original files email me directly and I can sen
d them to you. They are about 1.5 MB each.=0A=0A-=0A=0AStuart=0A=0A-=0A
=0AFrom: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-serve
r(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of chris davis=0ASent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:3
0 PM=0ATo: Kolb-List Diget Server; .Kolb-List(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Kolb
-List: firefly cables=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0AHi KOLBERS as you may know i am buil
ding a handicap Kolb Firefly . it id the second Kolb Ivhave buit my firstwa
s a Fiestar fat and fast .I have a request does anybodyvhave a picture of t
hier Firefly cables after they leave the stick and rudder pedals they go ov
erfour pulleys then under four pulleys then into the fusalage tube .My prbl
em is thwt ill-=0A=0A-=0A=0A-cant find a plan or an explanaton -of
how the first four are rigged TRAVIS has sent me plans and a new constructi
on kanual as I.had to move my roject from Fl. To Ma. And somehow it disapea
red Travis said they use washrs to pace them but the angle seems wrongvthe
cables -don travel strait over the pulley when you run them throughvth ne
xt set so a PIC or two would help a lot TRAVIS Said tha BRIAN -changed th
e design since the plans were drawn?=0A=0AThankq you CHRIS DAVIS=0A=0ASent
from Yahoo Mail on Androidk=0A=0A- -http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?
Kolb-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
Herb,
Not that I have noticed. Guess I will have to have someone look at it from
the side while I am in the seat. I did install the seat as tight as I could
get it, but it does stretch a little when I am in it. It also "recovers" in
a couple of hours.
Did you have the sling on the top of the tube at the back of your butt, or
did it wrap under it?
Stuart
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: firefly cables
Stewart
On my first Friefly, the sling seat allowed my rear end stretch the sling
seat enough to touch the cables...Is that what you see? Herb
On 05/16/2015 10:09 AM, Stuart Harner wrote:
Here are some greatly reduced images. Hopefully they are what you need.
If you want to see the original files email me directly and I can send them
to you. They are about 1.5 MB each.
Stuart
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of chris davis
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:30 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: firefly cables
Hi KOLBERS as you may know i am building a handicap Kolb Firefly . it id the
second Kolb Ivhave buit my firstwas a Fiestar fat and fast .I have a request
does anybodyvhave a picture of thier Firefly cables after they leave the
stick and rudder pedals they go overfour pulleys then under four pulleys
then into the fusalage tube .My prblem is thwt ill
cant find a plan or an explanaton of how the first four are rigged TRAVIS
has sent me plans and a new construction kanual as I.had to move my roject
from Fl. To Ma. And somehow it disapeared Travis said they use washrs to
pace them but the angle seems wrongvthe cables don travel strait over the
pulley when you run them throughvth next set so a PIC or two would help a
lot TRAVIS Said tha BRIAN changed the design since the plans were drawn?
Thankq you CHRIS DAVIS
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
k
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
Chris,
Not they are not parallel to the tube, they are angled up a little.
I had some trouble getting the pulleys into the bracket. Bryan at the
factory said it was fine to "bend" them a little to get things to line up. I
also had to use different bolts that were called out in the plans.
A bit of a trick figuring it all out, but it worked fine in the end.
Stuart
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of chris davis
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Kolb-List: firefly cables
Stuartthank you for the pics they are very clear Ithonk that I can nloe them
up on my compiter I have A wuestion the two brackets tjay hpld the pulleys
Arethey parrilell. To the cross bar?Mine appear to be at about 26-30
degreeup on the outsideand that seems to be the reason that the cables dont
run true to the pulleys .I will check out your picms on the big screen a.d
if I cant figure it out i will write you off list and ask you to send me the
full original files . Thanks again CHRIS
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
_____
From:"Stuart Harner"
Date:Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:18 AM
Subject:RE: Kolb-List: firefly cables
Uu
Here are some grefttplpatly reduced images. Hopefully they are what you
need.
If you want to see the original files email me directly and I can send them
to you. They are about 1.5 MB each.
Stuart
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of chris davis
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:30 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: firefly cables
Hi KOLBERS as you may know i am building a handicap Kolb Firefly . it id the
second Kolb Ivhave buit my firstwas a Fiestar fat and fast .I have a request
does anybodyvhave a picture of thier Firefly cables after they leave the
stick and rudder pedals they go overfour pulleys then under four pulleys
then into the fusalage tube .My prblem is thwt ill
cant find a plan or an explanaton of how the first four are rigged TRAVIS
has sent me plans and a new construction kanual as I.had to move my roject
from Fl. To Ma. And somehow it disapeared Travis said they use washrs to
pace them but the angle seems wrongvthe cables don travel strait over the
pulley when you run them throughvth next set so a PIC or two would help a
lot TRAVIS Said tha BRIAN changed the design since the plans were drawn?
Thankq you CHRIS DAVIS
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
k
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| Subject: | Re: firefly cables |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 10:16 PM, Stuart Harner
wrote:
> Herb,
>
>
> Not that I have noticed. Guess I will have to have someone look at it fro
m
> the side while I am in the seat. I did install the seat as tight as I
> could get it, but it does stretch a little when I am in it. It also
> =9Crecovers=9D in a couple of hours.
>
>
> Did you have the sling on the top of the tube at the back of your butt, o
r
> did it wrap under it?
>
>
> Stuart
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
>
> I don't know about the rest of you, but I didn't feel all that good with
the sling bottom. I riveted a thin alum sheet onto the framework for the
seat and put me a nice temper foam pad down to sit on. I would hate to set
down HARD and end up with a suppository.
Larry
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| From: | Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: firefly cables |
over the top Stuart... as you say the seat webbing sags a bit , no
matter how tight..and the space between that and the cables is small..
The original builder of my new Firefly project added a reinforced
aluminum pan between the two seat cross members.. Pretty heavy..and I am
considering going back to the sling seat...He made some good touches but
all add weight... For one he built an aluminum storage box to fit into
the triangular space behind the fuel tank,( a good place to carry tie
downs, oil and a small mixing tank)....and he fully enclosed the
fuselage including a door on the Right side to access the fuel and the
storage box.. I will need to have the box loaded when I do the wt and bal...
Another touch that I like is a couple of cro molly tie downs added to
the far outboard end of the wings...they are at the end of the leading
edge tube and would have been better placed if attached to the ends of
the main spar...I always used the lift struts to attach tie down rope...
Gonna be interesting at weigh in time... 285 to 290 is as heavy as I
want with full enclosure ..Herb
On 05/16/2015 11:16 PM, Stuart Harner wrote:
>
> Herb,
>
> Not that I have noticed. Guess I will have to have someone look at it
> from the side while I am in the seat. I did install the seat as tight
> as I could get it, but it does stretch a little when I am in it. It
> also recovers in a couple of hours.
>
> Did you have the sling on the top of the tube at the back of your
> butt, or did it wrap under it?
>
> Stuart
>
> *From:*owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Herb
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 16, 2015 11:26 AM
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: firefly cables
>
> Stewart
>
> On my first Friefly, the sling seat allowed my rear end stretch the
> sling seat enough to touch the cables...Is that what you see? Herb
>
> On 05/16/2015 10:09 AM, Stuart Harner wrote:
>
> Here are some greatly reduced images. Hopefully they are what you
> need.
>
> If you want to see the original files email me directly and I can
> send them to you. They are about 1.5 MB each.
>
> Stuart
>
> *From:*owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
>
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *chris
> davis
> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 10:30 PM
> *To:* Kolb-List Diget Server; .Kolb-List(at)matronics.com
>
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: firefly cables
>
>
> Hi KOLBERS as you may know i am building a handicap Kolb Firefly .
> it id the second Kolb Ivhave buit my firstwas a Fiestar fat and
> fast .I have a request does anybodyvhave a picture of thier
> Firefly cables after they leave the stick and rudder pedals they
> go overfour pulleys then under four pulleys then into the fusalage
> tube .My prblem is thwt ill
>
> cant find a plan or an explanaton of how the first four are
> rigged TRAVIS has sent me plans and a new construction kanual as
> I.had to move my roject from Fl. To Ma. And somehow it disapeared
> Travis said they use washrs to pace them but the angle seems
> wrongvthe cables don travel strait over the pulley when you run
> them throughvth next set so a PIC or two would help a lot TRAVIS
> Said tha BRIAN changed the design since the plans were drawn?
>
> Thankq you CHRIS DAVIS
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> k
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| Subject: | Large head aluminum rivets |
| From: | "herbgh" <herbgh(at)juno.com> |
Just noticed that Aircraft Spruce has 100 large head eight by eight aluminum rivets
for 22 dollars and change...Likely the same rivet for sale on EBay 1000 for
28 bucks... I have 6 wings to cover and paint...guess who will get my business.?
:-) Herb
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1000-Aluminum-POP-Rivets-Large-Flange-1-8-x-1-8-Grip-Quantity-Price-Breaks-/360556490046?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53f2d76d3e
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| From: | Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | reinforcing tape |
Wondering also if this glass weave reinforcing tape would be suitable
for the underlayment for the large head rivets on the ribs? would need
some sort of hole punch to make the rivet holes...Herb
http://www.ebay.com/itm/12mm-Glassweave-Reinforcing-Tape-5523613-/331411251241?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4d29a66029
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | reinforcing tape |
Is it safe to substitute a non-aircraft product in critical component?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
Wondering also if this glass weave reinforcing tape would be suitable for
the underlayment for the large head rivets on the ribs? would need some
sort of hole punch to make the rivet holes...Herb
http://www.ebay.com/itm/12mm-Glassweave-Reinforcing-Tape-5523613-/3314112512
41?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4d29a66029
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: reinforcing tape |
John
The Poly Fiber half inch Dacron reinforcing tape is almost a dollar a
yard...so looking for a suitable substitute seems in order...but safety
should always be the main concern...certainly... Then again...I have 6
wings to recover..
That said , if one could find a suitable material of similar or
better breaking strength...then I would have no problem using it.. The
poly fiber tape is a cross weave dacron polyester.. near as I can tell..
not all that strong...and does not have to be given the 17 rivets that
hold it to the ribs... top and bottom , if I counted correctly.. Very
easy to use however..
I am reminded that the Mini Max I flew for 60 or more hours used no
reinforcing at all..just the fabric covering glued to the ribs...
similar wing loading to the Firefly... I would not try that on a Firefly
given the minimal area of the metal ribs...
Always considering options and alternatives......:-) Thinking
about rib stitching....Herb
On 05/17/2015 07:07 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Is it safe to substitute a non-aircraft product in critical component?
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
>
>
> Wondering also if this glass weave reinforcing tape would be suitable for
> the underlayment for the large head rivets on the ribs? would need some
> sort of hole punch to make the rivet holes...Herb
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/12mm-Glassweave-Reinforcing-Tape-5523613-/3314112512
> 41?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4d29a66029
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | reinforcing tape |
Is rib stitching recommended for 5/16" round tube ribs?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
I am reminded that the Mini Max I flew for 60 or more hours used no
reinforcing at all..just the fabric covering glued to the ribs...
similar wing loading to the Firefly... I would not try that on a Firefly
given the minimal area of the metal ribs...
Always considering options and alternatives......:-) Thinking
about rib stitching....Herb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: reinforcing tape |
Haven't gotten that far...maybe not? Just went to the Poly Fiber site
to see a short video on rib lacing...but it was a standard rib..not
tubular...
Figured out why prices are as they are...Ceconite,Poly Fiber and
Randolph coatings are owned by Consolidated Aircraft Coatings... :-)
Herb
On 05/17/2015 08:51 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Is rib stitching recommended for 5/16" round tube ribs?
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> I am reminded that the Mini Max I flew for 60 or more hours used no
> reinforcing at all..just the fabric covering glued to the ribs...
> similar wing loading to the Firefly... I would not try that on a Firefly
> given the minimal area of the metal ribs...
>
> Always considering options and alternatives......:-) Thinking
> about rib stitching....Herb
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | reinforcing tape |
When I talked with Travis at Kolb he said that either would work just fine,
do what I wanted.
Personally I think not having a bunch of 1/8" holes in 5/16" tube is
stronger, but I have no proof either.
Stuart
As always, worth what you paid for it. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 8:51 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: reinforcing tape
Is rib stitching recommended for 5/16" round tube ribs?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
I am reminded that the Mini Max I flew for 60 or more hours used no
reinforcing at all..just the fabric covering glued to the ribs...
similar wing loading to the Firefly... I would not try that on a Firefly
given the minimal area of the metal ribs...
Always considering options and alternatives......:-) Thinking
about rib stitching....Herb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | reinforcing tape |
Herb,
I rib stitched and it was quite easy to do. Used the Poly Fiber reinforcing
tape that was wider than needed. The nice part about the Poly Fiber tape is
that it has adhesive on one side so I cleaned the fabric with MEK then just
stuck the tape down. Next, I used a small finish nail held in vice grips
and a propane torch to heat the nail. I could melt through the tape and the
fabric at every hole location. This made the stitching go MUCH easier.
I was cheap and used a piece of welding rod to make my own needle. I kept a
pair of pliers handy so that I could modify the bend(s) in the needle as
conditions dictated. There were a couple of places on each rib that required
some creative thinking about how to make the next stitch, but it was kind of
fun.
It took a couple of ribs to get the technique down and to get into a rhythm
but after that it went quite fast. I figured layout time was about the same
as for rivets and melting the holes was way faster than drilling all those
ribs so I had time to spare in the stitching time which admittedly would
take longer than pulling the rivets.
Rivets are fine. I just didn't want to really screw things up by drilling
lots of holes in small ribs, call it the chicken factor. Two big advantages
for me with stitching is the easy removal if needed and slightly smaller
"bumps" under the tape. Personal preference.
I have some tape and almost a full roll of stitching cord left over. If you
are interested in it send me a private email. I will have to go to the shop
to check quantities.
Stuart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: reinforcing tape
John
The Poly Fiber half inch Dacron reinforcing tape is almost a dollar a
yard...so looking for a suitable substitute seems in order...but safety
should always be the main concern...certainly... Then again...I have 6 wings
to recover..
That said , if one could find a suitable material of similar or better
breaking strength...then I would have no problem using it.. The poly fiber
tape is a cross weave dacron polyester.. near as I can tell..
not all that strong...and does not have to be given the 17 rivets that hold
it to the ribs... top and bottom , if I counted correctly.. Very easy to
use however..
I am reminded that the Mini Max I flew for 60 or more hours used no
reinforcing at all..just the fabric covering glued to the ribs...
similar wing loading to the Firefly... I would not try that on a Firefly
given the minimal area of the metal ribs...
Always considering options and alternatives......:-) Thinking
about rib stitching....Herb
On 05/17/2015 07:07 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Is it safe to substitute a non-aircraft product in critical component?
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
>
>
> Wondering also if this glass weave reinforcing tape would be suitable
> for the underlayment for the large head rivets on the ribs? would
> need some sort of hole punch to make the rivet holes...Herb
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/12mm-Glassweave-Reinforcing-Tape-5523613-/3314
> 112512
> 41?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4d29a66029
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | reinforcing tape |
Rib stitching is normally used on ribs with a cap strip or flat edges.
Tubing presents a problem with a tiny apex on a small tube edge.
The stitch on a 1/2" cap strip is a flat 1/2" wide flat stitch.
If you make a 5/16" or 1/4" stitch on a 5/16" round tube, the stitch will
pull the fabric and reinforcing tape down and around the top half of the
tube, causing a dimple, stressing the fabric at the stitch. Doesn't look
very professional and may not be as strong as a cap strip stitch.
That is why fabric rivets were developed for round tube ribs. I have
personal experience working with a friend's Kolb Slingshot with rib stitched
wing fabric. Not long after the Slingshot started flying, the prop began
drumming the inboard fabric enough to loosen the stitching and allow the
fabric to balloon above several inboard ribs. Caused a severe vibration and
an uncomfortable drumming noise. Took several test flights to discover the
problem. I flew close behind and above the Slingshot. At that time I saw
the fabric had pulled loose and was ballooned above the ribs. Didn't make
me feel good. I had flown the Slingshot earlier in the day at the request
of the owner to see if I could ID the problem. Flying it, I could not.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
Haven't gotten that far...maybe not? Just went to the Poly Fiber site to
see a short video on rib lacing...but it was a standard rib..not tubular...
Figured out why prices are as they are...Ceconite,Poly Fiber and
Randolph coatings are owned by Consolidated Aircraft Coatings... :-)
Herb
On 05/17/2015 08:51 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Is rib stitching recommended for 5/16" round tube ribs?
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | reinforcing tape |
Don't believe fabric rivets weaken the rib, but make it stronger. Once the
rivet is pulled, there is no longer a hole.
The wing and rib is constructed with holes, gussets, flanges, and rivets.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
When I talked with Travis at Kolb he said that either would work just fine,
do what I wanted.
Personally I think not having a bunch of 1/8" holes in 5/16" tube is
stronger, but I have no proof either.
Stuart
As always, worth what you paid for it. :)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | reinforcing tape |
A small pencil tip soldering iron works great for burning rivet holes in the
fabric and tape, plus burning drain holes in wings and control surfaces.
Hope the other 99.9% of us that built according to the Kolb Manual didn't
screw our wings up. ;-)
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
Herb,
I was cheap and used a piece of welding rod to make my own needle. I kept a
pair of pliers handy so that I could modify the bend(s) in the needle as
conditions dictated. There were a couple of places on each rib that required
some creative thinking about how to make the next stitch, but it was kind of
fun.
Rivets are fine. I just didn't want to really screw things up by drilling
lots of holes in small ribs, call it the chicken factor. Two big advantages
for me with stitching is the easy removal if needed and slightly smaller
"bumps" under the tape. Personal preference.
Stuart
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
| From: | "Carolina Flyer" <joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com> |
I have a source that has these rivets for 500 for $14.62 just I case you do not
need 1000
http://www.autotoolworld.com/Marson-40214-Abl42A-AlumAlum-Blind-Rivet-Packaged-Pack-Of-500_p_123414.html
--------
Kolb Firestar II
503 C-Box / RK400
Soon to have a
Rotax 670 DCDI
with a C-Box and
RK 400 Clutch
Challenger II
503 Tall Drive
Location : Buffalo South Carolina
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442220#442220
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mojavjoe(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
Wicks has 3/8 dome head x 1/8 rivets at $6.62/100
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolina Flyer" <joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 3:18:54 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
I have a source that has these rivets for 500 for $14.62 just I case you do
not need 1000
http://www.autotoolworld.com/Marson-40214-Abl42A-AlumAlum-Blind-Rivet-Packa
ged-Pack-Of-500_p_123414.html
--------
Kolb Firestar II
503 C-Box / RK400
Soon to have a
Rotax 670 DCDI
with a C-Box and
RK 400 Clutch
Challenger II
503 Tall Drive
Location : =C2-Buffalo South Carolina
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442220#442220
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| From: | Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
Free shipping and no tax...likely makes the Ebay merchant cheaper..? I
just ordered 500...
Herb
On 05/18/2015 02:18 AM, Carolina Flyer wrote:
>
> I have a source that has these rivets for 500 for $14.62 just I case you do not
need 1000
> http://www.autotoolworld.com/Marson-40214-Abl42A-AlumAlum-Blind-Rivet-Packaged-Pack-Of-500_p_123414.html
>
> --------
> Kolb Firestar II
> 503 C-Box / RK400
> Soon to have a
> Rotax 670 DCDI
> with a C-Box and
> RK 400 Clutch
>
> Challenger II
> 503 Tall Drive
>
> Location : Buffalo South Carolina
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442220#442220
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
500 for 16.52 on Ebay. Herb
http://www.ebay.com/itm/500-Aluminum-Rivet-Large-Flange-1-8-x-1-8-Grip-/361248909505?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item541c1ce8c1
On 05/18/2015 06:07 AM, mojavjoe(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Wicks has 3/8 dome head x 1/8 rivets at $6.62/100
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"Carolina Flyer" <joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com>
> *To: *"kolb-list"
> *Sent: *Monday, May 18, 2015 3:18:54 AM
> *Subject: *Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
>
>
> I have a source that has these rivets for 500 for $14.62 just I case
> you do not need 1000
> http://www.autotoolworld.com/Marson-40214-Abl42A-AlumAlum-Blind-Rivet-Packaged-Pack-Of-500_p_123414.html
>
> --------
> Kolb Firestar II
> 503 C-Box / RK400
> Soon to have a
> Rotax 670 DCDI
> with a C-Box and
> RK 400 Clutch
>
> Challenger II
> 503 Tall Drive
>
> Location : Buffalo South Carolina
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442220#442220
>
>
> bsp; -===============
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
Had a long talk with Danny Day...Rebuilt some engines for Homer Kolb
back when!! Retired engine builder in Phoenix now...Had an accident
that left him disabled.. So I got the poop on the engines that I have..
As to the wing covering...since I will likely sell the Firefly in a
year or two...will go with the standard covering method...
By the way.. Mild soap and water the best way to clean the Poly Tone
paint? Herb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | Danny Day(Poly Tone) |
Herb,
I would think that even fairly strong soaps like Simple Green or Dawn would
be fine for Poly Tone. You would want to stay away from harsh chemicals
that are used as solvents like MEK, Toluene, etc.
Poly Fiber has a cleaner that can be used I think they call it 310.
Aero-Thane (the shiny stuff) on the other hand should be impervious to most
chemicals.
Oil and gas stains should come off with a good soap. Bugs are a different
story.
The Poly Fiber manual recommends waxing with a good Carnauba wax. Which
reminds me, as soon as it gets warm enough, Serenity needs a bath and wax.
If I did only the leading edge and the nose cone would that be a "bikini
wax" ? :)
Stuart
>>>>>>>>>>>
By the way.. Mild soap and water the best way to clean the Poly Tone
paint? Herb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Lithium Battery Update |
| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
I purchased a Aerovoltz Lithium Iron Phosphate battery last summer. As I
discussed last summer the battery is incredibly light. I received comments
that lithium batteries needed to be recharged often so I left the battery
in the plane last winter in Michigan. The engine started just fine this
week with no recharging.
I have ordered a balance charger and plan to balance the cell voltages from
time to time.
Last summer there was a discussion about Lithium batteries being sold in
AH equivalent capacities. This is true so if you have concerns about
battery powered devices continuing to run after the alternator quits you
may want to order a larger battery no matter what type of battery you
purchase.
Note! There is a notice on the Areovolts web site warning that Rotax
voltage regulator model 866 080 should not be used with these batteries.
They report that these regulators have been known to fail and over charge.
Apparently there was no fire but a
melt down.
Again worth what you paid for it.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
=9CWith or without religion, you would have good people doing good th
ings and
evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that
takes religion.=9D
- Steven Weinberg
<http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/86758.Steven_Weinberg>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Danny Day(Poly Tone) |
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
[quote="stuart(at)harnerfarm.net"]Herb,
I would think that even fairly strong soaps like Simple Green or Dawn would
be fine for Poly Tone.
......S N I P......
Stuart
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
>
There has been discussion and cautionary statements against using Simple Green
(Regular variety) where it will come in contact with anything aluminum. Supposedly
they make a blend that is OK with aluminum.
Dawn works great..... particularly if there is any petroleum based crud on the
surface.
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442265#442265
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: reinforcing tape |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
John Ol' Buddy, hate to do this to ya, but... rib stitching a Kolb 5/16" rib has
worked for me for 18 years, and counting. I rib stitched my MKIII wing, vertical
fin, rudder, horizontal stab, elevator and ailerons when I built it, and
none of the ribs, stitches, or anything else is showing the least bit of problem
in any sense whatsoever. It works just fine. And we are still buds John, OK?
Get a big pot of coffee, a good friend, a couple of spare needles that you can
bend up or modify to fit around the drag strut or anything else that might be
inside and in the way because you still want everything to line up good - go for
it. Takes about 90 minutes to 2 hours per wing wing once you and your helper
get the hang of it and get into rhythm. Good times, good memories, thanks Greg,
thanks Muff, for being there to help me.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those
to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Danny Day(Poly Tone) |
The "crud" is mostly aluminum oxide deposited by my fingers..some
shipping dirt...Herb
On 05/18/2015 03:56 PM, George Alexander wrote:
>
> [quote="stuart(at)harnerfarm.net"]Herb,
>
> I would think that even fairly strong soaps like Simple Green or Dawn would
> be fine for Poly Tone.
> ......S N I P......
>
> Stuart
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>
>
> There has been discussion and cautionary statements against using Simple Green
(Regular variety) where it will come in contact with anything aluminum. Supposedly
they make a blend that is OK with aluminum.
> Dawn works great..... particularly if there is any petroleum based crud on the
surface.
>
> --------
> George Alexander
> FS II R503 N709FS
> http://www.oh2fly.net
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442265#442265
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Danny Day(Poly Tone) |
Yeah, I wouldn't want to get any liquid where I could not wipe it off right
away. Certainly not get it wet enough to creep in under fabric. That is just
asking for trouble.
My choice for light dirt and oily substances would be Dawn in a small bucket
of water with a sponge and a clean towel for drying.
Stuart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Alexander
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 3:57 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Danny Day(Poly Tone)
-->
[quote="stuart(at)harnerfarm.net"]Herb,
I would think that even fairly strong soaps like Simple Green or Dawn would
be fine for Poly Tone.
......S N I P......
Stuart
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
>
There has been discussion and cautionary statements against using Simple
Green (Regular variety) where it will come in contact with anything
aluminum. Supposedly they make a blend that is OK with aluminum.
Dawn works great..... particularly if there is any petroleum based crud on
the surface.
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442265#442265
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Noise Canceling Ear Buds |
| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
I purchased a set of Bose noise canceling ear buds QC20i The i is for
IPhone. They list for app. $300 but I found a set new on E-Bay for $220. I
purchased them primarily for better noise canceling on long commercial air
flights.
For grins I tried them under my Sigtronics headphones that I had installed
the Headphones noise canceling kit and went flying in my VW powered Kolb
MKIIIC. I have been using the passive sony ear buds under my headphones for
years but wanted a bit more. The results are impressive. I could still hear
the engine but it was just a purr. That big VW demands to be heard. I
turned the noise canceling off in the headset only and couldn't tell much
difference. Then I turned only the Bose noise canceling off, big difference
.
The only issue is they have a much lower impedance than the Sonys which
makes the radio and side band too loud. I turned the intercom all the way
down which helped but need more. I ran out of time but will try the radio
volume also. There is a volume control on the Bose units but that only
controls the IPhone volume. I'm going to look for a inline volume control
that could fit between the intercom out and the Bose if the radio volume
doesn't help.
As always worth what you paid for it.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
=9CThere was a time when religion ruled the world. It is known as the
Dark
Ages.=9D
- Ruth Hurmence Green
<http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/170734.Ruth_Hurmence_Green>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lithium Battery Update |
Hi, for what its worth. I rigged a small solar operated battery charger
on the roof of my hangar. Totally trouble free apart from having to wipe
the muck off the panel occasionally. Battery was always fully
operational. Pat
From: Rick Neilsen
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 9:43 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Lithium Battery Update
I purchased a Aerovoltz Lithium Iron Phosphate battery last summer. As I
discussed last summer the battery is incredibly light. I received
comments that lithium batteries needed to be recharged often so I left
the battery in the plane last winter in Michigan. The engine started
just fine this week with no recharging.
I have ordered a balance charger and plan to balance the cell voltages
from time to time.
Last summer there was a discussion about Lithium batteries being sold in
AH equivalent capacities. This is true so if you have concerns about
battery powered devices continuing to run after the alternator quits you
may want to order a larger battery no matter what type of battery you
purchase.
Note! There is a notice on the Areovolts web site warning that Rotax
voltage regulator model 866 080 should not be used with these batteries.
They report that these regulators have been known to fail and over
charge. Apparently there was no fire but a
melt down.
Again worth what you paid for it.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
=9CWith or without religion, you would have good people doing good
things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil
things, that takes religion.=9D
- Steven Weinberg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Noise Canceling Ear Buds |
Do the Bose plug into the cell phone jack on the Sigtronics?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Neilsen
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 9:14 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Noise Canceling Ear Buds
I purchased a set of Bose noise canceling ear buds QC20i The i is for
IPhone. They list for app. $300 but I found a set new on E-Bay for $220.
I purchased them primarily for better noise canceling on long commercial
air flights.
For grins I tried them under my Sigtronics headphones that I had
installed the Headphones noise canceling kit and went flying in my VW
powered Kolb MKIIIC. I have been using the passive sony ear buds under
my headphones for years but wanted a bit more. The results are
impressive. I could still hear the engine but it was just a purr. That
big VW demands to be heard. I turned the noise canceling off in the
headset only and couldn't tell much difference. Then I turned only the
Bose noise canceling off, big difference.
The only issue is they have a much lower impedance than the Sonys which
makes the radio and side band too loud. I turned the intercom all the
way down which helped but need more. I ran out of time but will try the
radio volume also. There is a volume control on the Bose units but that
only controls the IPhone volume. I'm going to look for a inline volume
control that could fit between the intercom out and the Bose if the
radio volume doesn't help.
As always worth what you paid for it.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
=9CThere was a time when religion ruled the world. It is known as
the Dark Ages.=9D
-
<http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/170734.Ruth_Hurmence_Green> Ruth
Hurmence Green
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Lithium Battery Update |
Me too, Patrick.
Odyssey batteries last a very long time since I installed a solar
powered charger and conditioner.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Ladd
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Lithium Battery Update
Hi, for what its worth. I rigged a small solar operated battery charger
on the roof of my hangar. Totally trouble free apart from having to wipe
the muck off the panel occasionally. Battery was always fully
operational. Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Noise Canceling Ear Buds |
| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
John
The Bose ear phones plug into my intercom. I have a 1/4" to 3.5mm adapter
that allows me to plug into the intercom.
My Sigtronics headphones don't have a cell phone plug.
Rick Neilsen
redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:41 AM, John Hauck wrote:
> Do the Bose plug into the cell phone jack on the Sigtronics?
>
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> *From:* owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Neilsen
> *Sent:* Monday, May 18, 2015 9:14 PM
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Noise Canceling Ear Buds
>
>
> I purchased a set of Bose noise canceling ear buds QC20i The i is for
> IPhone. They list for app. $300 but I found a set new on E-Bay for $220.
I
> purchased them primarily for better noise canceling on long commercial ai
r
> flights.
>
>
> For grins I tried them under my Sigtronics headphones that I had installe
d
> the Headphones noise canceling kit and went flying in my VW powered Kolb
> MKIIIC. I have been using the passive sony ear buds under my headphones f
or
> years but wanted a bit more. The results are impressive. I could still he
ar
> the engine but it was just a purr. That big VW demands to be heard. I
> turned the noise canceling off in the headset only and couldn't tell much
> difference. Then I turned only the Bose noise canceling off, big differen
ce.
>
>
> The only issue is they have a much lower impedance than the Sonys which
> makes the radio and side band too loud. I turned the intercom all the way
> down which helped but need more. I ran out of time but will try the radio
> volume also. There is a volume control on the Bose units but that only
> controls the IPhone volume. I'm going to look for a inline volume control
> that could fit between the intercom out and the Bose if the radio volume
> doesn't help.
>
>
> As always worth what you paid for it.
>
>
> Rick Neilsen
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Lithium Battery Update |
| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
I'm trying to get a discussion going on lithium batteries.
Lithium batteries loose app. 10% of their charge per year so storage
maintainers aren't as necessary. They do appear to have cell voltage
imbalance issues when charging. I would assume as the technology matures on
board balance chargers will be more available if not standard. The
batteries last longer if cell voltages are balanced from time to time.
I found a lithium balance charger on amazon for $55 and the required 4S
(this is a 5 contact connector for the 4 cell 12 volt lithium batteries)
balance charging cable ends with pig tails. The cable ends come in a ten
pack so if anyone needs a pair of them I will have a few for the cost of
shipping.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:50 AM, John Hauck wrote:
> Me too, Patrick.
>
>
> Odyssey batteries last a very long time since I installed a solar powered
> charger and conditioner.
>
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> *From:* owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Ladd
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 19, 2015 3:30 AM
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Lithium Battery Update
>
>
> Hi, for what its worth. I rigged a small solar operated battery charger on
> the roof of my hangar. Totally trouble free apart from having to wipe the
> muck off the panel occasionally. Battery was always fully operational. Pat
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Fly In David City Nebraska |
| From: | Duane Ransdell <radiobluebook(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Everyone,
Just thought I'd throw this out there if there is anyone close. We're
having a flyin also known as the Annual Nebraska Ultralight Gathering
(ANUG) at the David City Nebraska airport (93y) on July 10th, 11th and
12th. Camping is available to the north west side of the field. Fuel
including 87 octane and 100LL will be available at the regular airport
rate. Prizes given for furtherest flown to the event and best aircraft.
I plan to be there with with the Aeronca Champ giving rides as much as
possible. Wish it was with my Kolb, but it won't be ready by then. Hope to
see you there.
Cheers!
Duane
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
We got some badly needed rain recently. Pretty close to the first this
year. our little creek swelled up well beyond its banks with all of the
recent rain. (see attached picture below) I was curious whether or not the
Sheep head range behind us got any of it, and was hoping that there was
enough to fill the ponds up there. We have had a pretty serious drought for
the last three or four years, with every thing drying up last year. Our
normal water for the year is reputed to be 4.5 inches. Not a whole lot. The
rain that we got was in excess of 1 inch. It appears that most of it sunk
into the ground where it belongs. The weather abated enough that I rolled
out the Kolb to get a first hand view.
https://vimeo.com/128531834 password - owyheeflyer
The video is in 1080 HD, so if your connection is a bit slow and jerky,
after you start it, pause it and let the down load get far enough ahead
that it will run without jerking, or reduce the file by clicking on the
highlighted "HD".
Since I needed to get up to 6000 feet, I began my flight using my HACman
system that allows me to adjust my fuel mixture, thus leaning it out. The
normal fuel burn listed for for the HKS is 3 gph. I ran the engine at max
cruise of 5800 RPM's for most of the flight. After arriving back at the
hangar showing 66 minutes on the meter. However there was warm up and taxi
time in there as well. Even so I saved 1/2 gallon of fuel by using it.
Larry
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| From: | Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: New video |
Excellent video as usual. Background music is fine but the vocal makes
it difficult to hear the commentary. As the commentary is always
interesting that is a shame. Pat
From: Larry Cottrell
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 2:11 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Fwd: New video
We got some badly needed rain recently. Pretty close to the first this
year. our little creek swelled up well beyond its banks with all of the
recent rain. (see attached picture below) I was curious whether or not
the Sheep head range behind us got any of it, and was hoping that there
was enough to fill the ponds up there. We have had a pretty serious
drought for the last three or four years, with every thing drying up
last year. Our normal water for the year is reputed to be 4.5 inches.
Not a whole lot. The rain that we got was in excess of 1 inch. It
appears that most of it sunk into the ground where it belongs. The
weather abated enough that I rolled out the Kolb to get a first hand
view.
https://vimeo.com/128531834 password - owyheeflyer
The video is in 1080 HD, so if your connection is a bit slow and jerky,
after you start it, pause it and let the down load get far enough ahead
that it will run without jerking, or reduce the file by clicking on the
highlighted "HD".
Since I needed to get up to 6000 feet, I began my flight using my HACman
system that allows me to adjust my fuel mixture, thus leaning it out.
The normal fuel burn listed for for the HKS is 3 gph. I ran the engine
at max cruise of 5800 RPM's for most of the flight. After arriving back
at the hangar showing 66 minutes on the meter. However there was warm up
and taxi time in there as well. Even so I saved 1/2 gallon of fuel by
using it.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: New video |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
Patrick Ladd patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com
3:10 AM (4 hours ago)
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On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 3:10 AM, Patrick Ladd
wrote:
> Excellent video as usual. Background music is fine but the vocal makes
> it difficult to hear the commentary. As the commentary is always
> interesting that is a shame. Pat
>
> *From:* Larry Cottrell
> *Sent:* Friday, May 22, 2015 2:11 AM
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Fwd: New video
>
>
> Keeping a similar comment from you in mind when I was adding the sound
> track to the video, I was again surprised that the sound track was louder
> in the finished project than the original. The picture quality is cleaner
> and more vivid than was noticeable than what was showing on my computer
> screen as well. I personally did not have any problem in hearing the
> narrative, but then again, I already knew what the narration sounded like
> and was more interested in the vocals. I am curious if any one else felt
> that the music was more of a distraction than help. I will try to keep that
> in mind if I ever do another.
>
Larry
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
The vocal did make it more difficult for me to hear and understand your
commentary. Would have been alright had the audio not been as loud as
it was. Also, I caught myself listening to Willie, at times, and
missing out on what you were saying.
Great video. A few years back the desert flooded during the time I had
my airplane out there. Certainly changed the normal appearance of the
normally dry desert. Everything is so green.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Cottrell
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fwd: New video
Patrick Ladd patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com
3:10 AM (4 hours ago)
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On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 3:10 AM, Patrick Ladd
wrote:
Excellent video as usual. Background music is fine but the vocal makes
it difficult to hear the commentary. As the commentary is always
interesting that is a shame. Pat
From: Larry Cottrell <mailto:lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 2:11 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Fwd: New video
Keeping a similar comment from you in mind when I was adding the sound
track to the video, I was again surprised that the sound track was
louder in the finished project than the original. The picture quality is
cleaner and more vivid than was noticeable than what was showing on my
computer screen as well. I personally did not have any problem in
hearing the narrative, but then again, I already knew what the narration
sounded like and was more interested in the vocals. I am curious if any
one else felt that the music was more of a distraction than help. I will
try to keep that in mind if I ever do another.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: New video |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
I guess I am guilty of really liking the song well enough to have possibly
cranked up the sound loud enough to hear it. :-)
Larry
On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 7:52 AM, John Hauck wrote:
> The vocal did make it more difficult for me to hear and understand your
> commentary. Would have been alright had the audio not been as loud as it
> was. Also, I caught myself listening to Willie, at times, and missing
> out on what you were saying.
>
>
> Great video. A few years back the desert flooded during the time I had
> my airplane out there. Certainly changed the normal appearance of the
> normally dry desert. Everything is so green.
>
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> *From:* owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Larry Cottrell
> *Sent:* Friday, May 22, 2015 8:35 AM
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Fwd: New video
>
>
> *Patrick Ladd patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com *
>
> 3:10 AM (4 hours ago)
>
> to kolb-list
>
>
> On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 3:10 AM, Patrick Ladd
> wrote:
>
> Excellent video as usual. Background music is fine but the vocal makes it
> difficult to hear the commentary. As the commentary is always interesting
> that is a shame. Pat
>
>
> *From:* Larry Cottrell
>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 22, 2015 2:11 AM
>
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Fwd: New video
>
>
> Keeping a similar comment from you in mind when I was adding the sound
> track to the video, I was again surprised that the sound track was louder
> in the finished project than the original. The picture quality is cleaner
> and more vivid than was noticeable than what was showing on my computer
> screen as well. I personally did not have any problem in hearing the
> narrative, but then again, I already knew what the narration sounded like
> and was more interested in the vocals. I am curious if any one else felt
> that the music was more of a distraction than help. I will try to keep that
> in mind if I ever do another.
>
> Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: New video |
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
>
>
> Larry Cottrell wrote:
>
> Keeping a similar comment from you in mind when I was adding the sound track
to the video, I was again surprised that the sound track was louder in the finished
project than the original. The picture quality is cleaner and more vivid
than was noticeable than what was showing on my computer screen as well. I personally
did not have any problem in hearing the narrative, but then again, I
already knew what the narration sounded like and was more interested in the vocals.
I am curious if any one else felt that the music was more of a distraction
than help. I will try to keep that in mind if I ever do another.
>
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No complaints here Larry. Videos in all respects continue to be great to watch
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: New video |
Larry- Please do without the music. I can't hear either the commentary or the
engine.
--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 5/22/15, Larry Cottrell wrote:
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fwd: New video
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com"
Date: Friday, May 22, 2015, 10:03 AM
I guess I am guilty
of really liking the song well enough to have possibly
cranked up the sound loud enough to hear it.
:-)Larry
On Fri, May 22, 2015
at 7:52 AM, John Hauck
wrote:
The vocal did make it
more difficult for me to hear and understand your
commentary. Would have been alright had the
audio not been as loud as it was. Also, I
caught myself listening to Willie, at times, and missing out
on what you were saying.Great video.
A few years back the desert flooded during the time I
had my airplane out there. Certainly changed
the normal appearance of the normally dry desert.
Everything is so
green.john
hmkIIITitus,
AlabamaFrom: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf Of
Larry Cottrell
Sent: Friday,
May 22, 2015 8:35 AM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re:
Kolb-List: Fwd: New
videoPatrick Laddpatrickjladd(at)hotmail.com3:10 AM (4 hours
ago)tokolb-listOn Fri, May 22,
2015 at 3:10 AM, Patrick Ladd
wrote:Excellent video as
usual. Background music is fine but the vocal makes it
difficult to hear the commentary. As the commentary is
always interesting that is a shame.
PatFrom: Larry Cottrell
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015
2:11 AMTo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Kolb-List: Fwd: New
video
Keeping a similar comment from you in mind when I was adding
the sound track to the video, I was again surprised that the
sound track was louder in the finished project than the
original. The picture quality is cleaner and more vivid than
was noticeable than what was showing on my computer screen
as well. I personally did not have any problem in hearing
the narrative, but then again, I already knew what the
narration sounded like and was more interested in the
vocals. I am curious if any one else felt that the music
was more of a distraction than help. I will try to keep that
in mind if I ever do
another.Larry
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Keep doing what you are doing.
Impossible to please us all. ;-)
Don't let the desert dry up before I get out there. Be nice to run the
trails without the dust.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
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Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fwd: New video
I guess I am guilty of really liking the song well enough to have
possibly cranked up the sound loud enough to hear it. :-)
Larry
On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 7:52 AM, John Hauck
wrote:
The vocal did make it more difficult for me to hear and understand your
commentary. Would have been alright had the audio not been as loud as
it was. Also, I caught myself listening to Willie, at times, and
missing out on what you were saying.
Great video. A few years back the desert flooded during the time I had
my airplane out there. Certainly changed the normal appearance of the
normally dry desert. Everything is so green.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Cottrell
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fwd: New video
Patrick Ladd patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com
3:10 AM (4 hours ago)
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On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 3:10 AM, Patrick Ladd
wrote:
Excellent video as usual. Background music is fine but the vocal makes
it difficult to hear the commentary. As the commentary is always
interesting that is a shame. Pat
From: Larry Cottrell <mailto:lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 2:11 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Fwd: New video
Keeping a similar comment from you in mind when I was adding the sound
track to the video, I was again surprised that the sound track was
louder in the finished project than the original. The picture quality is
cleaner and more vivid than was noticeable than what was showing on my
computer screen as well. I personally did not have any problem in
hearing the narrative, but then again, I already knew what the narration
sounded like and was more interested in the vocals. I am curious if any
one else felt that the music was more of a distraction than help. I will
try to keep that in mind if I ever do another.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: New video |
| From: | "Larlaeb" <larlaeb(at)gmail.com> |
Great video! Loved it and enjoyed flying with you as always.
Thanks,
Allan
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: New video |
| From: | "Leland.Lam" <wadelamoreaux(at)gmail.com> |
Larry,
Thanks for taking all of us on your flight. Always nice to watch your Videos and
listen to your commentary.
Leland
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| From: | "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | commentary or not? |
> Keep doing what you are doing.
So, what is the down-side to giving two versions?
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| From: | Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: commentary or not? |
reminds me...have a 90 year old buddy...half the time when I call, he
fusses about my phone audio...:-) Tells me to get another phone....
Finally, he bought a hearing aid...:-) Herb
On 05/23/2015 02:49 AM, George Bearden wrote:
>
>> Keep doing what you are doing.
> So, what is the down-side to giving two versions?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: commentary or not? |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
I have to admit that I have considered just taking 5 minutes of flight and
leaving the roar of the engine as it is, just to see if that would help the
hearing impaired, and to see who would complain. :-) I am just as pleased
that I have been able to resist that impulse- so far.
The down side to doing two videos is that while I have a 10 mbs of down
load, I only have 1 mbs of upload (DSL in the least populated county in the
state.) This last video took a bit more than 2 hours to upload. Plus the
damn things are pretty large files. The last I checked I have 104 videos on
Vimeo, and on my computer. Its easier to listen to Pat bitch. :-)
Larry
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 1:49 AM, George Bearden wrote:
>
> > Keep doing what you are doing.
>
> So, what is the down-side to giving two versions?
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | commentary or not? |
If Patrick wasn't bitching, Patrick would not be breathing. He is just
like a Army Private. If he ain't bitching, he ain't happy.
Love you Patrick. Glad John Williamson and I got to spend time with you
and Wendy at Monument Valley some years ago.
Larry, make the videos just like you like them. After all, they are
yours. You do the work. We watch and enjoy them.
To all the Veterans on the Kolb List I wish you all a very happy
Memorial Day. Remember those that gave their all so that we can enjoy
the freedom we enjoy in America.
Nowhere else on earth can people build and fly their own airplanes with
the freedom we can. Never forget that.
Loading the 5th wheel to head NW to the Rock House, then North to
Alaska. Been 18 years since I made a road trip up there and 11 years
since I flew. Hope to see some of our Kolbers along the way.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Cottrell
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: commentary or not?
I have to admit that I have considered just taking 5 minutes of flight
and leaving the roar of the engine as it is, just to see if that would
help the hearing impaired, and to see who would complain. :-) I am just
as pleased that I have been able to resist that impulse- so far.
The down side to doing two videos is that while I have a 10 mbs of down
load, I only have 1 mbs of upload (DSL in the least populated county in
the state.) This last video took a bit more than 2 hours to upload. Plus
the damn things are pretty large files. The last I checked I have 104
videos on Vimeo, and on my computer. Its easier to listen to Pat bitch.
:-)
Larry
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| From: | "joe" <okjoek2000(at)yahoo.com> |
I never post here, just read as I don't have a Kolb and have very little hope of
getting one. I used to think I would be able to pull it off but there have been
some set backs both financial and health.
I met with Frank Goodnight once, he is not that far from me, to get to fly in a
Kolb but there was a problem and we didn't get to fly it, I did get to sit in
it though, he since has sold it I believe. Still hope someday to get to go up
in one.
As I don't get to fly I absolutely love it when people post videos and Larry's
are some of my favorites. I have no complaints about background music or not,
my problem is just not enough of them!
Joe
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| From: | Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: New video |
Hi Larry
Sorry if I appeared to be bitching. Let me say that A) I loved the video
as usual. B) the background music was at about the right level. It was
merely that the vocal was distracting like trying to listen to two
conversations at the same time. I would rather listen to your
commentary.What you were saying was much more interesting. I am always
fascinated by your comments about the rains, or lack of, what the grass
is doing, the wild horses etc. Interested too in the fact that you can
fly so far without seeing anyone. Unfortunately the UK is not like that.
Of course it hasn`t been like that here for hundreds of years but the
last 50 years has seen towns and villages expanding. All the fields and
swimming holes which my gang used to roam over, birds nesting, building
dams and so forth are under concrete now.
I liked your little aside that you were looking to shoot something for
your raptors. Could we some some pictures some time? Keeping hawks is
something which has always fascinated me. Unfortunately I have a strong
aversion the touch of fur or feather, alive or dead. I just puke, so
although I have read a fair amount of stuff about flying hawks and
falcons and even flown a a couple of hawks from the wrist (protected by
the usual glove) I couldn`t take it up as a sport.
When I was flying gliders I have been rescued from landing out a couple
of times by joining a hawk or a buzzard in a thermal and scraping away
so I view them as flying friends.
Cheers, keep the videos coming.
Pat
From: Larry Cottrell
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fwd: New video
Patrick Ladd patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com
3:10 AM (4 hours ago)
to kolb-list
On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 3:10 AM, Patrick Ladd
wrote:
Excellent video as usual. Background music is fine but the vocal makes
it difficult to hear the commentary. As the commentary is always
interesting that is a shame. Pat
From: Larry Cottrell
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 2:11 AM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Kolb-List: Fwd: New video
Keeping a similar comment from you in mind when I was adding the sound
track to the video, I was again surprised that the sound track was
louder in the finished project than the original. The picture quality is
cleaner and more vivid than was noticeable than what was showing on my
computer screen as well. I personally did not have any problem in
hearing the narrative, but then again, I already knew what the narration
sounded like and was more interested in the vocals. I am curious if any
one else felt that the music was more of a distraction than help. I will
try to keep that in mind if I ever do another.
Larry
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
Pat, I probably should send this back copy, and will send you another that
is on the subject of falconry by bcc, but there are a couple of points that
I feel need to be touched on. Besides there isn't a whole lot going on with
the list any way.
Firstly, I am not offended by your comments, I fully understand your
frustration, and I take all comments as constructive criticism. I like to
make the movies, and I want them to be as good as I can make them. I like
music, and find that motor noise is something that has to be lived with
when flying, but not when watching. I also admit that I especially liked
that song and forced it into that clip only because I like it, not that it
fit. Am I sorry, nope! The main reason that I am using Vimeo instead of You
tube is that I can make the vids private, and can use music without all the
hassle of copyrite problems. Since I am not trying to make money from them,
and they are restricted I can use any music I want. It is difficult to find
music that will fit however.
Next, my reasons for cheering the rain that fills the ponds that nourish
the game birds, means that there will be enough of them to hunt WITH my
falcon, not for my falcon. My "sport" hunting is with the Falcon , not a
gun. Nothing against it. Just too easy.
https://vimeo.com/113760833 - password- owyheeflyer
Warning- the only flying you will see in this video is not with a Kolb.
Delete if necessary, I promise to not do it again.
Larry
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Patrick Ladd
wrote:
> Hi Larry
> Sorry if I appeared to be bitching. Let me say that A) I loved the video
> as usual. B) the background music was at about the right level. It was
> merely that the vocal was distracting like trying to listen to two
> conversations at the same time. I would rather listen to your
> commentary.What you were saying was much more interesting. I am always
> fascinated by your comments about the rains, or lack of, what the grass is
> doing, the wild horses etc. Interested too in the fact that you can fly so
> far without seeing anyone. Unfortunately the UK is not like that. Of course
> it hasn`t been like that here for hundreds of years but the last 50 years
> has seen towns and villages expanding. All the fields and swimming holes
> which my gang used to roam over, birds nesting, building dams and so forth
> are under concrete now.
> I liked your little aside that you were looking to shoot something for
> your raptors. Could we some some pictures some time? Keeping hawks is
> something which has always fascinated me. Unfortunately I have a strong
> aversion the touch of fur or feather, alive or dead. I just puke, so
> although I have read a fair amount of stuff about flying hawks and falcons
> and even flown a a couple of hawks from the wrist (protected by the usual
> glove) I couldn`t take it up as a sport.
> When I was flying gliders I have been rescued from landing out a couple
> of times by joining a hawk or a buzzard in a thermal and scraping away so I
> view them as flying friends.
>
> Cheers, keep the videos coming.
>
> Pat
>
>
> *From:* Larry Cottrell
> *Sent:* Friday, May 22, 2015 2:34 PM
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Fwd: New video
>
> Patrick Ladd patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com
> 3:10 AM (4 hours ago)
> to kolb-list
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>
> On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 3:10 AM, Patrick Ladd
> wrote:
>
>> Excellent video as usual. Background music is fine but the vocal makes
>> it difficult to hear the commentary. As the commentary is always
>> interesting that is a shame. Pat
>>
>> *From:* Larry Cottrell
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 22, 2015 2:11 AM
>> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Fwd: New video
>>
>>
>> Keeping a similar comment from you in mind when I was adding the sound
>> track to the video, I was again surprised that the sound track was louder
>> in the finished project than the original. The picture quality is cleaner
>> and more vivid than was noticeable than what was showing on my computer
>> screen as well. I personally did not have any problem in hearing the
>> narrative, but then again, I already knew what the narration sounded like
>> and was more interested in the vocals. I am curious if any one else felt
>> that the music was more of a distraction than help. I will try to keep that
>> in mind if I ever do another.
>>
> Larry
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| From: | "KelleyT" <toadkelly2000(at)yahoo.com> |
Larry,
Thanks so much for sharing that wonderful video. I really can't think of a better
use for such an aircraft.
I noticed you said you had to climb up to 6000' and am curious at what elevation
you are starting at? I am seriously considering getting a Kolb this year and
our starting elevation is about 5000' in the area of Colorado that I would prefer
to fly in. I have a lot of stuff to learn yet in terms of which aircraft
model and engine combination might be best. I'll be doing a lot more reading
and research before purchasing. I also look forward to more of your posts to
see how you are getting along with your new engine.
Again, thanks.
Kelly
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: commentary or not? |
John h.
Thank you John, for thinking of all the vets We love what they did and
are still doing every day.
One of them,
Bill Varnes
Audubon, NJ
85 Kolb FireStar
USAF 59~63
In a message dated 5/23/2015 10:05:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com writes:
To all the Veterans on the Kolb List I wish you all a very happy Memorial
Day. Remember those that gave their all so that we can enjoy the freedom
we enjoy in America.
Nowhere else on earth can people build and fly their own airplanes with
the freedom we can. Never forget that.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tony &Heather Oldman <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: New video |
Dont be sorry Larry, fying is flying. I love your vidio's. It is hard to be
lieve from this side of the world that you loo/k forward to so little rain
.. 1 inch the cause of floods? , we can get that over night and not even not
ice=C2-in the morning . Our average rain fall is abot 30" The west coast
of the south Island gets about 3 to 6 mtrs thats 36 to 72 inchs . They star
t to dry off if there is no rain for two weeks . On our side of the coast w
e can go 3 months without much rain but things get very dry.If we are forca
st for 100mm { 4 inch } over 12 hours we get a river may rise warning. =C2
-It is really interesting to visit your part of the world through your vi
dio's . I love your commentries ,dont mind the music either.
Regards=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-Tony=C2- =C2-
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On Sunday, 24 May 2015 5:22 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
Pat, I probably should send this back copy, and will send you another that
is on the subject of falconry by bcc, but there are a couple of points tha
t I feel need to be touched on. Besides there isn't a whole lot going on wi
th the list any way.
Firstly, I am not offended by your comments, I fully understand your frustr
ation, and I take all comments as constructive criticism. I like to make th
e movies, and I want them to be as good as I can make them. I like music, a
nd find that motor noise is something that has to be lived with when flying
, but not when watching. I also admit that I especially liked that song and
forced it into that clip only because I like it, not that it fit. Am I sor
ry, nope! The main reason that I am using Vimeo instead of You tube is that
I can make the vids private, and can use music without all the hassle of c
opyrite problems. Since I am not trying to make money from them, and they a
re restricted I can use any music I want. It is difficult to find music tha
t will fit however.
Next, my reasons for cheering the rain that fills the ponds that nourish th
e game birds, means that there will be enough of them to hunt WITH my falco
n, not for my falcon.=C2- My "sport" hunting is with the Falcon , not a g
un. Nothing against it. Just too easy.
https://vimeo.com/113760833 =C2-- password- =C2- =C2- =C2- owyheefl
yer
Warning- the only flying you will see in this video is not with a Kolb. Del
ete if necessary, I promise to not do it again.Larry
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Patrick Ladd w
rote:
Hi LarrySorry if I appeared to be bitching. Let me say that A) I loved the
video as usual.=C2- B) the background music was at about the right level.
It was merely that the vocal was distracting like trying to listen to two
conversations at the same time.=C2- I would rather listen to your comment
ary.What you were saying was much more interesting. I am always fascinated
by your comments about the rains, or lack of, what the grass is doing, the
wild horses etc. Interested too in the fact that you can fly so far without
seeing anyone. Unfortunately the UK is not like that. Of course it hasn`t
been like that here for hundreds of years but the last 50 years has seen to
wns and villages expanding. All the fields and swimming holes which my gang
used to roam over, birds nesting, building dams and so forth are under con
crete now.I liked your little aside that you were looking to shoot somethin
g for your raptors. Could we some some pictures some time?=C2- Keeping ha
wks is something which has always fascinated me. Unfortunately I have a str
ong aversion the=C2- touch of fur or feather, alive or dead. I just puke,
so although I have read a fair amount of stuff about flying hawks and falc
ons and even flown a a couple of hawks from the wrist (protected by the usu
al glove) I couldn`t take it up as a sport.When I was flying gliders I have
=C2- been rescued from landing out a couple of times by joining a hawk or
a buzzard in a thermal and scraping away so I view them as flying friends.
=C2-Cheers, keep the videos coming.=C2-Pat=C2-=C2-=C2-From: Larry
Cottrell Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 2:34 PMTo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sub
ject: Re: Kolb-List: Fwd: New video=C2-
|
|
Patrick Ladd=C2-patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com=C2-
|
| 3:10 AM (4 hours ago) | | |
|
| to kolb-list |
|
=C2-=C2-=C2-On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 3:10 AM, Patrick Ladd wrote:
Excellent video as usual. Background music is fine but the vocal makes
it difficult to hear the commentary. As the commentary is always interestin
g that is a shame. Pat =C2- From: Larry Cottrell Sent: Friday, May 22
, 2015 2:11 AM To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Kolb-List: Fwd: New vi
deo =C2-
Keeping a similar comment from you in mind when I was adding the sound trac
k to the video, I was again surprised that the sound track was louder in th
e finished project than the original. The picture quality is cleaner and mo
re vivid than was noticeable than what was showing on my computer screen as
well. I personally did not have any problem in hearing the narrative, but
then again, I already knew what the narration sounded like and was more int
erested in the vocals.=C2- I am curious if any one else felt that the mus
ic was more of a distraction than help. I will try to keep that in mind if
I ever do another.
Larry
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| From: | Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: New video |
Larry,
I am pleased that I asked. What a superb blog and the video is great.
You must be unique in releasing your birds back into the wild. I know
that the merlin which was only flown by `ladies` was `whistled down the
wind` at the end of the season as it was considered too much trouble to
keep them over until the next season, but a fully trained bird had so
much time invested in the training that they were kept in the mews until
they were too old to hunt.
Do you get hawks migrating through Idaho? We get the beginnings o f the
great migration across Europe here in the South of England. Just for a
few days each year there are goshawks and sparrowhawks and the
occasional peregrine everywhere you look. Then unfortunately they fly
across Europe where the French and the Italians in particular shoot at
everything that moves and slaughter small birds,including singing birds,
by the thousand. One of the unforeseen consequences of motorways is that
hawks have taken up residence in the grass strips between the
carriageways and can often be seen hunting. Of course they are not
disturbed by pedestrians as the traffic stops anyone getting on to the
central reservation and they have learned to live with the traffic.
Salisbury Plain, near my home, which is to a great extent put aside for
army ranges is used by falconers. It is mainly treeless so the bigwinged
falcons are favoured and again because civilian access is limited the
bird life has flourished.
Thanks again.
Pat
From: Larry Cottrell
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fwd: New video
Pat, I probably should send this back copy, and will send you another
that is on the subject of falconry by bcc, but there are a couple of
points that I feel need to be touched on. Besides there isn't a whole
lot going on with the list any way.
Firstly, I am not offended by your comments, I fully understand your
frustration, and I take all comments as constructive criticism. I like
to make the movies, and I want them to be as good as I can make them. I
like music, and find that motor noise is something that has to be lived
with when flying, but not when watching. I also admit that I especially
liked that song and forced it into that clip only because I like it, not
that it fit. Am I sorry, nope! The main reason that I am using Vimeo
instead of You tube is that I can make the vids private, and can use
music without all the hassle of copyrite problems. Since I am not trying
to make money from them, and they are restricted I can use any music I
want. It is difficult to find music that will fit however.
Next, my reasons for cheering the rain that fills the ponds that nourish
the game birds, means that there will be enough of them to hunt WITH my
falcon, not for my falcon. My "sport" hunting is with the Falcon , not
a gun. Nothing against it. Just too easy.
https://vimeo.com/113760833 - password- owyheeflyer
Warning- the only flying you will see in this video is not with a Kolb.
Delete if necessary, I promise to not do it again.
Larry
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Patrick Ladd
wrote:
Hi Larry
Sorry if I appeared to be bitching. Let me say that A) I loved the
video as usual. B) the background music was at about the right level.
It was merely that the vocal was distracting like trying to listen to
two conversations at the same time. I would rather listen to your
commentary.What you were saying was much more interesting. I am always
fascinated by your comments about the rains, or lack of, what the grass
is doing, the wild horses etc. Interested too in the fact that you can
fly so far without seeing anyone. Unfortunately the UK is not like that.
Of course it hasn`t been like that here for hundreds of years but the
last 50 years has seen towns and villages expanding. All the fields and
swimming holes which my gang used to roam over, birds nesting, building
dams and so forth are under concrete now.
I liked your little aside that you were looking to shoot something for
your raptors. Could we some some pictures some time? Keeping hawks is
something which has always fascinated me. Unfortunately I have a strong
aversion the touch of fur or feather, alive or dead. I just puke, so
although I have read a fair amount of stuff about flying hawks and
falcons and even flown a a couple of hawks from the wrist (protected by
the usual glove) I couldn`t take it up as a sport.
When I was flying gliders I have been rescued from landing out a
couple of times by joining a hawk or a buzzard in a thermal and scraping
away so I view them as flying friends.
Cheers, keep the videos coming.
Pat
From: Larry Cottrell
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 2:34 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fwd: New video
Patrick Ladd patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com
3:10 AM (4 hours ago)
to kolb-list
On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 3:10 AM, Patrick Ladd
wrote:
Excellent video as usual. Background music is fine but the vocal
makes it difficult to hear the commentary. As the commentary is always
interesting that is a shame. Pat
From: Larry Cottrell
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 2:11 AM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Kolb-List: Fwd: New video
Keeping a similar comment from you in mind when I was adding the
sound track to the video, I was again surprised that the sound track was
louder in the finished project than the original. The picture quality is
cleaner and more vivid than was noticeable than what was showing on my
computer screen as well. I personally did not have any problem in
hearing the narrative, but then again, I already knew what the narration
sounded like and was more interested in the vocals. I am curious if any
one else felt that the music was more of a distraction than help. I will
try to keep that in mind if I ever do another.
Larry
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Thank you Larry for all your videos, including the one with Jessie. When I was
younger I was fascinated with the idea of falconry. Good to see someone who actually
does it.
As far as the music, your choices in instrumental music suit me perfectly, I often
get on YouTube after watching your videos and try to hear other selections
by the artists you use. It broadens my musical horizons.
Since you asked, I prefer instrumentals, but how ever you choose to do it is all
good for me. Thank you for posting and sharing them.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: New video |
Richard and all...
A little Willie Nelson never hurt anyone...!! :-) Herb (half way
through building another Firefly...Wings to cover..engine to mount and
instruments to hook up...more than 90% done and 90% to go...)
On 05/24/2015 07:25 AM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> Thank you Larry for all your videos, including the one with Jessie. When I was
younger I was fascinated with the idea of falconry. Good to see someone who
actually does it.
> As far as the music, your choices in instrumental music suit me perfectly, I
often get on YouTube after watching your videos and try to hear other selections
by the artists you use. It broadens my musical horizons.
> Since you asked, I prefer instrumentals, but how ever you choose to do it is
all good for me. Thank you for posting and sharing them.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
> There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and
those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442524#442524
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: New video |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
[quote="Herbgh(at)nctc.com"]Richard and all... A little Willie Nelson never hurt
anyone...!! :-) [quote]
LOL! My wife and I have been Round Dancers for years, and this is a Willie Nelson/Toby Keith song I have often thought about choreographing into a 2 step. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arXuLdzVfQQ
Meanwhile, years ago Willie came to Kingsport for a free concert, and he was so
totally in the bag - as in: totally in the bag... - we just gave up and went
home. Some things are not worthy to be endured no matter who is doing what.
Sigh...
And to all our Veterans - Have a great day. And if you are so minded as to lift
up a glass in remembrance of your particular fight against evil forces - Thank
you and may God Bless you.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those
to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442546#442546
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Kolb Fly In and Airport Open House |
Anyone planning on attending the Kolb Fly In this coming June 27th?
Brad Nation
MKIII Xtra
N952DK
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Fly In and Airport Open House |
I will be there...flying or driving...Herb
On 05/25/2015 09:41 PM, Brad Nation wrote:
> Anyone planning on attending the Kolb Fly In this coming June 27th?
>
> Brad Nation
> MKIII Xtra
> N952DK
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Kolb Fly In and Airport Open House |
Who, what, when, and where?
Folks need info.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brad Nation
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 9:41 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Fly In and Airport Open House
Anyone planning on attending the Kolb Fly In this coming June 27th?
Brad Nation
MKIII Xtra
N952DK
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Fly In and Airport Open House |
I looked on you tube and got my first glimpse of the Kolb hangar... 2014
open house.. Did not see any announcement of this years open house...Herb
On 05/25/2015 10:20 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Who, what, when, and where?
>
> Folks need info.
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, Alabama
>
> *From:*owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Brad Nation
> *Sent:* Monday, May 25, 2015 9:41 PM
> *To:* Kolb-list
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Kolb Fly In and Airport Open House
>
> Anyone planning on attending the Kolb Fly In this coming June 27th?
>
> Brad Nation
>
> MKIII Xtra
>
> N952DK
>
> * *
> * *
> **
> * - The Kolb-List Email Forum -*
> **
> **
> **
> **
> **
> * -->http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List*
> **
> **
> * - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -*
> **
> **
> * -->http://forums.matronics.com*
> **
> **
> * - List Contribution Web Site -*
> * Thank you for your generous support!*
> * -Matt Dralle, List Admin.*
> * -->http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
> **
> * *
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lanny" <donaho1(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: Parting out Firestar II |
From: Lanny
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 9:41 AM
Subject: Parting out Firestar II
I will consider offers on anything I left to sell. It will be the price
we settle on, plus actual shipping costs, on items small enough to ship.
Large items are pick up only. You will pay the price agreed upon, I will
ship, and scan the shipping receipt, so you can see the actual cost of
shipping. After you receive your item and are satisfied, you will
reimburse me for the shipping cost. Already sold are the Rotax 503, BRS
and Landing gear. The Cage and fuselage tube are trash, and can not be
used. Parts of interest I still have are, 2, five gal. fuel tanks with
dual fuel senders and gauge, streamline struts, Wheel pants (broken but
repairable if you can do fiberglass work.) Tail feathers, Wheels and
tires with go cart brakes, Right wing, all good. Left wing has damage to
wing tip but is repairable. Bendix / King KX99 radio. NEW Telex
50-Digital Noise Cancelling headset. Open flat bed trailer. Lowrance
Airmap GPS. Too many smaller items to list. E-mail me off list, if you
are interested in anything listed, or need something not listed. Please,
serious inquiries only! Lanny Fetterman donaho1(at)verizon.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FireFly Page Is Back UP |
Tommy,
Thank you for your comments about my FireFly page. The reason it has taken
so long to answer is that I broke my leg and my email computer is in the
basement. Still have to get rid of the boot. Good luck on your project.
Where do you live?
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Hello Jack Hart. Thank you for your FireFly page. I am the owner of FireFly
0058. It is without an engine right now as thieves took the Rotax 447 before
I got it. I am now in process of getting a Hirth 2702 installed by Matt
Dandridge at Rec Power. Your pages are just so interesting and filled with
great ideas and skills well demonstrated. One day I would like to meet you.
Tommy
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FireFly Page Is Back UP |
Had I known that, I would have sent you a lap top. Was wondering what
happened to you. Sorry to hear of your accident. I can certainly empathize
with you and a broken leg. Broke my knee/tibia/hand 5 years ago. Darn it.
Caused me to miss MV 2000. ;-)
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack B. Hart
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FireFly Page Is Back UP
-->
Tommy,
Thank you for your comments about my FireFly page. The reason it has taken
so long to answer is that I broke my leg and my email computer is in the
basement. Still have to get rid of the boot. Good luck on your project.
Where do you live?
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Hello Jack Hart. Thank you for your FireFly page. I am the owner of
>FireFly
0058. It is without an engine right now as thieves took the Rotax 447 before
I got it. I am now in process of getting a Hirth 2702 installed by Matt
Dandridge at Rec Power. Your pages are just so interesting and filled with
great ideas and skills well demonstrated. One day I would like to meet you.
Tommy
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lanny" <donaho1(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Forgot to add address for parting out FSII |
2074 Old Reading Rd, Catawissa Pa. 17820
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bradley Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Fly In and Airport Open House |
There is a link on Kolb=92s main web page and here=92s a link to the
airport open house;
http://www.london-corbinairport.com/open-house.html
<http://www.london-corbinairport.com/open-house.html>
Brad
> On May 26, 2015, at 5:31 , Herb > wrote:
>
> I looked on you tube and got my first glimpse of the Kolb hangar...
2014 open house.. Did not see any announcement of this years open
house...Herb
>
> On 05/25/2015 10:20 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>> Who, what, when, and where?
>>
>> Folks need info.
>>
>> john h
>> mkIII
>> Titus, Alabama
>>
>> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of Brad Nation
>> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 9:41 PM
>> To: Kolb-list
>> Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Fly In and Airport Open House
>>
>> Anyone planning on attending the Kolb Fly In this coming June 27th?
>>
>> Brad Nation
>> MKIII Xtra
>> N952DK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - The Kolb-List Email Forum -
>> --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List>
>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
>> --> http://forums.matronics.com
>> - List Contribution Web Site -
>> Thank you for your generous support!
>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>> --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
<http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List>
<http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Fly In and Airport Open House |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Yellowbird1, that link refers to 2010.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those
to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442591#442591
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
| From: | "Aircraft Spruce Info" <info(at)aircraftspruce.com> |
We noticed the recent postings regarding the price of blind aluminum rivets that
we offer on our website. These are our p/n 09-18900 and are priced at $22 for
100 rivets. These rivets are from Poly Fiber. As an alternative, we also have
p/n 09-04580 which is the same size rivet and we offer them in bags of 500 for
$19.65.
Aircraft Spruce
Customer Service Dept.
custservice(at)aircraftspruce.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442595#442595
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
16 dollars and change from Ebay... Just bought 500...
By the way...the Poly Fiber price tells one everything they need to
know about that brand.... Herb
On 05/27/2015 11:39 AM, Aircraft Spruce Info wrote:
>
> We noticed the recent postings regarding the price of blind aluminum rivets that
we offer on our website. These are our p/n 09-18900 and are priced at $22
for 100 rivets. These rivets are from Poly Fiber. As an alternative, we also have
p/n 09-04580 which is the same size rivet and we offer them in bags of 500
for $19.65.
>
> Aircraft Spruce
> Customer Service Dept.
> custservice(at)aircraftspruce.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442595#442595
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
.22 compared to .04 a piece. Highway robbery.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aircraft Spruce
Info
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:39 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
-->
We noticed the recent postings regarding the price of blind aluminum rivets
that we offer on our website. These are our p/n 09-18900 and are priced at
$22 for 100 rivets. These rivets are from Poly Fiber. As an alternative, we
also have p/n 09-04580 which is the same size rivet and we offer them in
bags of 500 for $19.65.
Aircraft Spruce
Customer Service Dept.
custservice(at)aircraftspruce.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442595#442595
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
John
I will spend 2000 dollars quicker than I will spend 2 dollars...
what concerns me more is the cost of the parts and beyond that is
the quick response from someone with Aircraft Spruce about the cost of
those rivets...who told them? do they monitor these lists?
I own the Thatcher CX4/CX5 list at Yahoo and have never had a
response when a company is criticized. Guess they must
sponsor/Monitor this list?
Must say..the folks at the Aircraft Spruce in Ga. are friendly and
give good service...but cannot see me doing business with them in the
future...given the high cost of doing business.
http://conaircraft.com/ That is the company who owns Poly
Fiber,Ceconite and Randolph....
Cleaning out the garage preparatory to covering the wings on my new
to me Firefly...(Poly fiber process...:-) ) Herb
On 05/27/2015 12:03 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> .22 compared to .04 a piece. Highway robbery.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aircraft Spruce
> Info
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:39 AM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
>
> -->
>
> We noticed the recent postings regarding the price of blind aluminum rivets
> that we offer on our website. These are our p/n 09-18900 and are priced at
> $22 for 100 rivets. These rivets are from Poly Fiber. As an alternative, we
> also have p/n 09-04580 which is the same size rivet and we offer them in
> bags of 500 for $19.65.
>
> Aircraft Spruce
> Customer Service Dept.
> custservice(at)aircraftspruce.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442595#442595
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
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On 05/27/2015 12:03 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> .22 compared to .04 a piece. Highway robbery.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aircraft Spruce
> Info
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:39 AM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
>
> -->
>
> We noticed the recent postings regarding the price of blind aluminum rivets
> that we offer on our website. These are our p/n 09-18900 and are priced at
> $22 for 100 rivets. These rivets are from Poly Fiber. As an alternative, we
> also have p/n 09-04580 which is the same size rivet and we offer them in
> bags of 500 for $19.65.
>
> Aircraft Spruce
> Customer Service Dept.
> custservice(at)aircraftspruce.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442595#442595
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
Commercial enterprises, large and small, that use this List for their
profit, rubs me the wrong way. I make a donation every year to keep the
List operating. I have never seen any of the businesses that advertise on
"our" List ever make the donation List.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
John
I will spend 2000 dollars quicker than I will spend 2 dollars...
what concerns me more is the cost of the parts and beyond that is the
quick response from someone with Aircraft Spruce about the cost of those
rivets...who told them? do they monitor these lists?
I own the Thatcher CX4/CX5 list at Yahoo and have never had a
response when a company is criticized. Guess they must
sponsor/Monitor this list?
Must say..the folks at the Aircraft Spruce in Ga. are friendly and give
good service...but cannot see me doing business with them in the
future...given the high cost of doing business.
http://conaircraft.com/ That is the company who owns Poly Fiber,Ceconite
and Randolph....
Cleaning out the garage preparatory to covering the wings on my new to me
Firefly...(Poly fiber process...:-) ) Herb
On 05/27/2015 12:03 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> .22 compared to .04 a piece. Highway robbery.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aircraft Spruce
> Info
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:39 AM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
>
> -->
>
> We noticed the recent postings regarding the price of blind aluminum
rivets
> that we offer on our website. These are our p/n 09-18900 and are priced at
> $22 for 100 rivets. These rivets are from Poly Fiber. As an alternative,
we
> also have p/n 09-04580 which is the same size rivet and we offer them in
> bags of 500 for $19.65.
>
> Aircraft Spruce
> Customer Service Dept.
> custservice(at)aircraftspruce.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442595#442595
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
Imagine the chilling effect if Spruce had said" do not like the
unfavourable comments"...out lawyer will be in contact....Herb
On 05/27/2015 01:51 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Commercial enterprises, large and small, that use this List for their
> profit, rubs me the wrong way. I make a donation every year to keep the
> List operating. I have never seen any of the businesses that advertise on
> "our" List ever make the donation List.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:31 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
>
>
> John
>
> I will spend 2000 dollars quicker than I will spend 2 dollars...
>
> what concerns me more is the cost of the parts and beyond that is the
> quick response from someone with Aircraft Spruce about the cost of those
> rivets...who told them? do they monitor these lists?
>
> I own the Thatcher CX4/CX5 list at Yahoo and have never had a
> response when a company is criticized. Guess they must
> sponsor/Monitor this list?
>
> Must say..the folks at the Aircraft Spruce in Ga. are friendly and give
> good service...but cannot see me doing business with them in the
> future...given the high cost of doing business.
>
> http://conaircraft.com/ That is the company who owns Poly Fiber,Ceconite
> and Randolph....
>
> Cleaning out the garage preparatory to covering the wings on my new to me
> Firefly...(Poly fiber process...:-) ) Herb
>
>
> On 05/27/2015 12:03 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>>
>> .22 compared to .04 a piece. Highway robbery.
>>
>> john h
>> mkIII
>> Titus, Alabama
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aircraft Spruce
>> Info
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:39 AM
>> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
>>
>> -->
>>
>> We noticed the recent postings regarding the price of blind aluminum
> rivets
>> that we offer on our website. These are our p/n 09-18900 and are priced at
>> $22 for 100 rivets. These rivets are from Poly Fiber. As an alternative,
> we
>> also have p/n 09-04580 which is the same size rivet and we offer them in
>> bags of 500 for $19.65.
>>
>> Aircraft Spruce
>> Customer Service Dept.
>> custservice(at)aircraftspruce.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442595#442595
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
I'll reserve comment on that one. I don't take threats lightly.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
Imagine the chilling effect if Spruce had said" do not like the unfavourable
comments"...out lawyer will be in contact....Herb
On 05/27/2015 01:51 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Commercial enterprises, large and small, that use this List for their
> profit, rubs me the wrong way. I make a donation every year to keep
> the List operating. I have never seen any of the businesses that
> advertise on "our" List ever make the donation List.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:31 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
>
>
> John
>
> I will spend 2000 dollars quicker than I will spend 2 dollars...
>
> what concerns me more is the cost of the parts and beyond that is
> the quick response from someone with Aircraft Spruce about the cost of
> those rivets...who told them? do they monitor these lists?
>
> I own the Thatcher CX4/CX5 list at Yahoo and have never had a
> response when a company is criticized. Guess they must
> sponsor/Monitor this list?
>
> Must say..the folks at the Aircraft Spruce in Ga. are friendly and
> give good service...but cannot see me doing business with them in the
> future...given the high cost of doing business.
>
> http://conaircraft.com/ That is the company who owns Poly
> Fiber,Ceconite and Randolph....
>
> Cleaning out the garage preparatory to covering the wings on my
> new to me Firefly...(Poly fiber process...:-) ) Herb
>
>
> On 05/27/2015 12:03 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>>
>> .22 compared to .04 a piece. Highway robbery.
>>
>> john h
>> mkIII
>> Titus, Alabama
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aircraft
>> Spruce Info
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:39 AM
>> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
>>
>> -->
>>
>> We noticed the recent postings regarding the price of blind aluminum
> rivets
>> that we offer on our website. These are our p/n 09-18900 and are
>> priced at
>> $22 for 100 rivets. These rivets are from Poly Fiber. As an
>> alternative,
> we
>> also have p/n 09-04580 which is the same size rivet and we offer them
>> in bags of 500 for $19.65.
>>
>> Aircraft Spruce
>> Customer Service Dept.
>> custservice(at)aircraftspruce.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442595#442595
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
I don't know about their sponsorship but don't think it is relevant either.
Past dealings with them have been....shall we say less positive than yours.
I tend to look elsewhere first.
John H is right, I think jumping into a thread like this is pushy on their
part and I will remember that.
YMMV
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Rowe
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
Easy here guys, I believe Spruce has sponsored Matts fundraiser drives with
gifts for years. All their message said was "yeah, we have these rivets from
so and so that may be overpriced, but we also sell these more reasonable
price rivets that are equivalent.
To me, I appreciated the info and have always found Spruce to be a great
source for aviation products with great prices and better service.
Am I missing something?
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, Rotax 670,
Leechburg, PA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | FW: Matronics Kolb forum |
Kolbers:
Got a note from Jim Irwin, President, Aircraft Spruce, in response to a post
I made on the Kolb List reference the extremely high price of rivets.
Thought it only fair to share it with you all.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: Jim Irwin [mailto:jimirwin(at)aircraftspruce.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 5:42 PM
Subject: Matronics Kolb forum
John,
I saw your posting on the forum and wanted to let you know that it was not
Customer Service's intent to use the list for profit. I think they just
wanted to point out that the rivets Herb was referring to are from
Poly-Fiber and our prices is based on their cost to us, and that we do have
a much cheaper alternative available. The implication in the original post
was that Aircraft Spruce was gouging their customers with the 22 cent
rivets, and this is certainly not our intent.
We appreciate the orders you place with Aircraft Spruce and look forward to
continuing to serve you.
Best Regards,
Jim Irwin
President
Aircraft Spruce
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FW: Matronics Kolb forum |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Guys, For what it's worth I tried to get aluminum fabric rivets from
Hansons and the price was more than Spruce and I'd have to buy a 1000 to
get it. I've always found that McMaster Carr is hard to beat.
Rick Girard
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:39 PM, John Hauck wrote:
> Kolbers:
>
>
> Got a note from Jim Irwin, President, Aircraft Spruce, in response to a
> post I made on the Kolb List reference the extremely high price of rivets.
>
>
> Thought it only fair to share it with you all.
>
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> *From:* Jim Irwin [mailto:jimirwin(at)aircraftspruce.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 5:42 PM
> *To:* jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com
> *Subject:* Matronics Kolb forum
>
>
> John,
>
>
> I saw your posting on the forum and wanted to let you know that it was not
> Customer Service's intent to use the list for profit. I think they just
> wanted to point out that the rivets Herb was referring to are from
> Poly-Fiber and our prices is based on their cost to us, and that we do have
> a much cheaper alternative available. The implication in the original post
> was that Aircraft Spruce was gouging their customers with the 22 cent
> rivets, and this is certainly not our intent.
>
>
> We appreciate the orders you place with Aircraft Spruce and look forward
> to continuing to serve you.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Jim Irwin
>
> President
>
> Aircraft Spruce
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Believe those who are seeking the truth, doubt those who find it.
-Andre Gide
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: quit while you are behind!! |
Is anyone thinking what I am thinking? Maybe I am the last to know?
Companies must subscribe to services that scan the net looking for
keywords...kick them to the proper subscriber? sort of a mini CIA?
I well understand that all our browsing is followed...by a host of
services that fill our mail box with goods and services from
subscribers...or worse...!! Herb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: Matronics Kolb forum |
I don't care to see commercial use here, either, but it's hard to fault
someone for correcting misconceptions or untruths about themselves.
And since Hanson's name came up... I had a serious problem with them a
number of years ago. They shipped me defective rivets. The rivets had
incorrect length break-point length on their anvils (the 'nails'). When
pulled, the anvils would consistently break leaving ~3/32" of anvil
sticking out of the head. Now anyone can have a defective product slip
through now and then, but....
I spent days of fighting with them over the phone, with me offering to
send images of the problem, and offering to send the bad rivets back at
my expense. They never believed me, and never accepted my offer to show
them the problem rivets. They finally shipped replacements, after I'd
lost far more in time than the original cost of the rivets. And it
wasn't a small order. I'm positive that the only reason they finally
sent replacements was because I was costing *them* more than the rivets
were worth.
Charlie
On 5/27/2015 7:48 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Guys, For what it's worth I tried to get aluminum fabric rivets from
> Hansons and the price was more than Spruce and I'd have to buy a 1000
> to get it. I've always found that McMaster Carr is hard to beat.
>
> Rick Girard
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:39 PM, John Hauck > wrote:
>
> Kolbers:
>
>
>
> Got a note from Jim Irwin, President, Aircraft Spruce, in response
> to a post I made on the Kolb List reference the extremely high
> price of rivets.
>
>
>
> Thought it only fair to share it with you all.
>
>
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:*Jim Irwin [mailto:jimirwin(at)aircraftspruce.com
> ]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 5:42 PM
> *To:* jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com
> *Subject:* Matronics Kolb forum
>
>
>
> John,
>
>
>
> I saw your posting on the forum and wanted to let you know that it
> was not Customer Service's intent to use the list for profit. I
> think they just wanted to point out that the rivets Herb was
> referring to are from Poly-Fiber and our prices is based on their
> cost to us, and that we do have a much cheaper alternative
> available. The implication in the original post was that Aircraft
> Spruce was gouging their customers with the 22 cent rivets, and
> this is certainly not our intent.
>
>
>
> We appreciate the orders you place with Aircraft Spruce and look
> forward to continuing to serve you.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Jim Irwin
>
> President
>
> Aircraft Spruce
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | quit while you are behind!! |
Big Brother is watching.
Makes one feel violated.
I have been a member of the Kolb List for 17+ years. First time I have
experienced anything like this. I always felt our List was more or less
private, although not technically so.
Nothing like being bugged.
Is Aircraft Spruce a member of the Kolb List?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: quit while you are behind!!
Is anyone thinking what I am thinking? Maybe I am the last to know?
Companies must subscribe to services that scan the net looking for
keywords...kick them to the proper subscriber? sort of a mini CIA?
I well understand that all our browsing is followed...by a host of
services that fill our mail box with goods and services from
subscribers...or worse...!! Herb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | quit while you are behind!! |
Big Brother is watching.
Makes one feel violated.
I have been a member of the Kolb List for 17+ years. First time I have
experienced anything like this. I always felt our List was more or less
private, although not technically so.
Nothing like being bugged.
Is Aircraft Spruce a member of the Kolb List?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: quit while you are behind!!
Is anyone thinking what I am thinking? Maybe I am the last to know?
Companies must subscribe to services that scan the net looking for
keywords...kick them to the proper subscriber? sort of a mini CIA?
I well understand that all our browsing is followed...by a host of
services that fill our mail box with goods and services from
subscribers...or worse...!! Herb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: quit while you are behind!! |
You should feel violated, because Big Brother is definitely watching,
but his name ain't Aircraft Spruce. He's much more of a Patriot (Act).
You don't need some sophisticated NSA grade web crawler to find
references to a particular item or company; it's built into every decent
email client and forum application. I'd be surprised if there weren't
Spruce employees that at least read the archives, along with a lot of
other vendors who sell to homebuilders. Don't you think that someone
from TNKolb is reading? I know that Van's Aircraft guys monitor lists
and forums dedicated to RV's. They don't hype their stuff; they offer
assistance and occasionally offer corrections if incorrect info shows up.
It's in any vendor's best interest to monitor lists like this, because
we're going to tell our friends what (and who) works and what (and who)
doesn't. And it's usually in our best interest, as well, because most
vendors will use that info to make improvements in their products or
service.
Just another opinion....
Charlie
On 5/27/2015 10:46 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Big Brother is watching.
>
> Makes one feel violated.
>
> I have been a member of the Kolb List for 17+ years. First time I have
> experienced anything like this. I always felt our List was more or less
> private, although not technically so.
>
> Nothing like being bugged.
>
> Is Aircraft Spruce a member of the Kolb List?
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:08 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: quit while you are behind!!
>
>
> Is anyone thinking what I am thinking? Maybe I am the last to know?
>
> Companies must subscribe to services that scan the net looking for
> keywords...kick them to the proper subscriber? sort of a mini CIA?
>
> I well understand that all our browsing is followed...by a host of
> services that fill our mail box with goods and services from
> subscribers...or worse...!! Herb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
I got this from a friend of mine that lives on the Oregon Coast. I have
never seen anything remotely like it. Any thoughts from the group. It looks
scary to me.
Larry
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Alexis <parker.toby92(at)gmail.com>
Date: Wed, May 27, 2015 at 10:02 PM
Subject: Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic
Hey Larry I am trying to find out if this is something you might know
about My cousin and uncle are wanting to buy it but they need to find
out more about Kolbs and if this sound like something that would work My
cousin is Ron Wallace I believe his address will be with this .. If there
is and input that you can provide they would like to hear it Toby
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ron Wallace <ron(at)worldpiper.com>
Date: Wed, May 27, 2015 at 8:31 PM
Subject: Kolb Anphib pic
Toby,
I=99m interested in buying this Kolb and am wondering if you know an
yone
that owns one, especially that is an anphib like this one. I=99d li
ke to
chat with them.
=8B
--
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| From: | "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I am not at all upset that AS posted a msg to our group. They don't harangue
us with ads, they don't get in arguments on-line, they simply offered
information on a live topic. Yes, I too am not happy about the Big Brother
idea either.
I think everyone on here except me is certain they are talking about the
specific correct rivet needed for the Kolb wings. I read a story about a guy
who used rivets with the correct metal in the rivet, the correct shaft dia.,
the correct head diameter, but they didn't work because the lower edge of
the rivet heads was sharp and cut through the fabric. I am probably the only
one who is not certain that we are all talking apples/apples with all the
different sourced rivets.
I agree with Charlie's statement earlier. I am guessing that the cost of the
rivets is high because it isn't a standard item. I am guessing they just
don't sell tons of them. They have to keep track of the parts via computer
and warehouse, they have to pay flooring costs to have them on hand, the
have to physically store them... then try to make a profit w/o alienating
everyone in sight.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com> |
Gosh you guys sure have hair triggers. Give the guys a break. If you
were supplying goods to the aircraft industry wouldn`t you keep an eye
on the literature? These days that includes lists and blogs. I don`t
see any `Big Brother` in that. Just good business practice.
They saw an item being criticised for being over priced and just pointed
out that it was being compared to a different product and mentioned the
fact that they also sell cheaper ones. Seems reasonable to me.
It appears that they support the sponsorship deal. Seems to show good
intent.
An old saying occurs to me. Something about `With hold your verdict
until all the evidence is in`
Incidentally its no good sending me posts telling me that I am wrong a I
am off to Norway for seven days in the morning.
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic |
Doesn't look like there is much Kolb left in that one.
I would not touch it.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Cottrell
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 12:07 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic
I got this from a friend of mine that lives on the Oregon Coast. I have
never seen anything remotely like it. Any thoughts from the group. It
looks scary to me.
Larry
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Alexis <parker.toby92(at)gmail.com>
Date: Wed, May 27, 2015 at 10:02 PM
Subject: Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic
Hey Larry I am trying to find out if this is something you might know
about My cousin and uncle are wanting to buy it but they need to
find out more about Kolbs and if this sound like something that would
work My cousin is Ron Wallace I believe his address will be with this
.. If there is and input that you can provide they would like to hear
it Toby
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ron Wallace <ron(at)worldpiper.com>
Date: Wed, May 27, 2015 at 8:31 PM
Subject: Kolb Anphib pic
Toby,
I=99m interested in buying this Kolb and am wondering if you know
anyone that owns one, especially that is an anphib like this one.
I=99d like to chat with them.
=8B
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| Subject: | Re: quit while you are behind!! |
I don't believe they are "monitoring" websites, like all good businesses they have
services (web crawlers) that notify them when their name is mentioned in any
web text. You could get the same service on your name and every time someone
mentioned your name on the web, they would send you a link to where it was
mentioned. Its not like they have to sit and read all the forums to see who is
saying what about them.
FWIW
Jason
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442671#442671
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: quit while you are behind!! |
What I thought...Some sort of subscription service..
for instance,,,if my 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee was rear ended and the
gas tank exploded, perhaps Fiat,Chrysler would like to know..:-)
Herb--out to the newly cleaned garage to cover Firefly wings...should
keep me of of the list and out of trouble/controversy for a while...:-)
On 05/28/2015 09:27 AM, Jason Omelchuck wrote:
>
> I don't believe they are "monitoring" websites, like all good businesses they
have services (web crawlers) that notify them when their name is mentioned in
any web text. You could get the same service on your name and every time someone
mentioned your name on the web, they would send you a link to where it was
mentioned. Its not like they have to sit and read all the forums to see who
is saying what about them.
>
> FWIW
> Jason
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442671#442671
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic |
| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Wow that looks really neet. I think I see a Kolb Firestar under there. The
hull seems to be designed to keep spray from the prop. The cockpit and
forward folding wind screen is nice. I would want to see it takeoff and
land on water. It even has one of the old Kolb trailers. Get some one that
knows Kolbs to check it out but go for it.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
=9CWhen one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. Wh
en many
people suffer from a delusion it is called a Religion.=9D
- Robert M. Pirsig
<http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/401.Robert_M_Pirsig>
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 1:06 AM, Larry Cottrell
wrote:
> I got this from a friend of mine that lives on the Oregon Coast. I have
> never seen anything remotely like it. Any thoughts from the group. It loo
ks
> scary to me.
> Larry
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Alexis <parker.toby92(at)gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, May 27, 2015 at 10:02 PM
> Subject: Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic
> To: Larry Cottrell
>
>
> Hey Larry I am trying to find out if this is something you might know
> about My cousin and uncle are wanting to buy it but they need to fin
d
> out more about Kolbs and if this sound like something that would work
My
> cousin is Ron Wallace I believe his address will be with this .. If there
> is and input that you can provide they would like to hear it Toby
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Ron Wallace <ron(at)worldpiper.com>
> Date: Wed, May 27, 2015 at 8:31 PM
> Subject: Kolb Anphib pic
> To: Toby Parker
>
>
> Toby,
>
> I=99m interested in buying this Kolb and am wondering if you know
anyone
> that owns one, especially that is an anphib like this one. I=99d
like to
> chat with them.
>
> =8B
>
>
> --
> *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
> address before sending.*
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
While it does look interesting at first glance, I would wonder about its
"sea worthiness", not to mention of what its like to fly. I don't see that
the gear legs, and wheels move out of the way. I wonder what the effect of
sticking one of those suckers in the water if there was a bit of chop on
the water. Is it still a ground loop? Maybe a bit of a cross wind.? Lets
see- 14 foot wings compared to a 2 foot at its widest, bottom that is most
likely shaped into a wide Vee? I also notice that there is no N number. It
looks like a lot of work with very little thought. I could be prejudiced
since I live in the Desert.?????
Larry
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On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Rick Neilsen wrote:
> Wow that looks really neet. I think I see a Kolb Firestar under there. Th
e
> hull seems to be designed to keep spray from the prop. The cockpit and
> forward folding wind screen is nice. I would want to see it takeoff and
> land on water. It even has one of the old Kolb trailers. Get some one tha
t
> knows Kolbs to check it out but go for it.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
> =9CWhen one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity.
When many
> people suffer from a delusion it is called a Religion.=9D
> - Robert M. Pirsig
> <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/401.Robert_M_Pirsig>
>
>> =8B
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic |
| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Larry
Look at the gear legs as they go into the cage. It looks like they could be
retractable. There might be an issue with this being a LSA with
retractable. Some manufactures call the gear repositionable and the FAA
goes along with LSA. The lack of N number could be a bigger issue but?
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Larry Cottrell
wrote:
> While it does look interesting at first glance, I would wonder about its
> "sea worthiness", not to mention of what its like to fly. I don't see tha
t
> the gear legs, and wheels move out of the way. I wonder what the effect o
f
> sticking one of those suckers in the water if there was a bit of chop on
> the water. Is it still a ground loop? Maybe a bit of a cross wind.? Lets
> see- 14 foot wings compared to a 2 foot at its widest, bottom that is mos
t
> likely shaped into a wide Vee? I also notice that there is no N number.
> It looks like a lot of work with very little thought. I could be prejudic
ed
> since I live in the Desert.?????
> Larry
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------
> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Rick Neilsen wrote
:
>
>> Wow that looks really neet. I think I see a Kolb Firestar under there.
>> The hull seems to be designed to keep spray from the prop. The cockpit a
nd
>> forward folding wind screen is nice. I would want to see it takeoff and
>> land on water. It even has one of the old Kolb trailers. Get some one th
at
>> knows Kolbs to check it out but go for it.
>>
>> Rick Neilsen
>> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>> =9CWhen one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity.
When
>> many people suffer from a delusion it is called a Religion.=9D
>> - Robert M. Pirsig
>> <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/401.Robert_M_Pirsig>
>>
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| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: quit while you are behind!! |
I agree Charlie, this doesn't rise to the level of big brother with me, so much
worse things to get my panties twisted over.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, Rotax 670,
Leechburg, PA
> On May 28, 2015, at 12:55 AM, Charlie England wrote:
>
>
> You should feel violated, because Big Brother is definitely watching, but his
name ain't Aircraft Spruce. He's much more of a Patriot (Act).
>
> You don't need some sophisticated NSA grade web crawler to find references to
a particular item or company; it's built into every decent email client and forum
application. I'd be surprised if there weren't Spruce employees that at least
read the archives, along with a lot of other vendors who sell to homebuilders.
Don't you think that someone from TNKolb is reading? I know that Van's
Aircraft guys monitor lists and forums dedicated to RV's. They don't hype their
stuff; they offer assistance and occasionally offer corrections if incorrect
info shows up.
>
> It's in any vendor's best interest to monitor lists like this, because we're
going to tell our friends what (and who) works and what (and who) doesn't. And
it's usually in our best interest, as well, because most vendors will use that
info to make improvements in their products or service.
>
> Just another opinion....
>
> Charlie
>
>
>
>> On 5/27/2015 10:46 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>>
>> Big Brother is watching.
>>
>> Makes one feel violated.
>>
>> I have been a member of the Kolb List for 17+ years. First time I have
>> experienced anything like this. I always felt our List was more or less
>> private, although not technically so.
>>
>> Nothing like being bugged.
>>
>> Is Aircraft Spruce a member of the Kolb List?
>>
>> john h
>> mkIII
>> Titus, Alabama
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:08 PM
>> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: quit while you are behind!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Is anyone thinking what I am thinking? Maybe I am the last to know?
>>
>> Companies must subscribe to services that scan the net looking for
>> keywords...kick them to the proper subscriber? sort of a mini CIA?
>>
>> I well understand that all our browsing is followed...by a host of
>> services that fill our mail box with goods and services from
>> subscribers...or worse...!! Herb
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
Bon Voyage, Pat! =97 got your trout rod with you?
Russ
> On May 28, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Patrick Ladd
wrote:
>
> Gosh you guys sure have hair triggers. Give the guys a break. If you
were supplying goods to the aircraft industry wouldn`t you keep an eye
on the literature? These days that includes lists and blogs. I don`t
see any `Big Brother` in that. Just good business practice.
> They saw an item being criticised for being over priced and just
pointed out that it was being compared to a different product and
mentioned the fact that they also sell cheaper ones. Seems reasonable to
me.
> It appears that they support the sponsorship deal. Seems to show good
intent.
>
> An old saying occurs to me. Something about `With hold your verdict
until all the evidence is in`
>
> Incidentally its no good sending me posts telling me that I am wrong a
I am off to Norway for seven days in the morning.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
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| From: | Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Russ,
no such luck. A weeks cruise. Southampton to Stavangar first leg. Its
raining and blowing up a hooghlie at the moment and the temps in Norway
are way down. Taking my wheelchair but don`t anticipate
getting around too much. Sit on the boat and read and draw. Shame. this
is the first time I have ventured abroad since I was taken ill 5 years
ago on the eve of going to the States.. Tal;k to you in a week.
Pat
From: kinne russ
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rivets
Bon Voyage, Pat! =97 got your trout rod with you?
Russ
On May 28, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Patrick Ladd
wrote:
Gosh you guys sure have hair triggers. Give the guys a break. If you
were supplying goods to the aircraft industry wouldn`t you keep an eye
on the literature? These days that includes lists and blogs. I don`t
see any `Big Brother` in that. Just good business practice.
They saw an item being criticised for being over priced and just
pointed out that it was being compared to a different product and
mentioned the fact that they also sell cheaper ones. Seems reasonable to
me.
It appears that they support the sponsorship deal. Seems to show good
intent.
An old saying occurs to me. Something about `With hold your verdict
until all the evidence is in`
Incidentally its no good sending me posts telling me that I am wrong a
I am off to Norway for seven days in the morning.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "Leland.Lam" <wadelamoreaux(at)gmail.com> |
Ok Kolbers I have a dilemma that I need advice on. I am installing an MGL altimeter
in my Mark III and it comes with the integrated ASI. I already have an Airspeed
indicator so the question becomes:
1) Can a single Pitot ram air source be split to drive two ASI?
2) Ignore the MGL ASI and use the old analog ASI already in the plane.
3) Install an additional Pitot tube.
It would be nice to have a redundant system, but I am not really all that excited
about installing another pitot tube.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442764#442764
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot Source |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
>
>Ok Kolbers I have a dilemma that I need advice on. I am installing an
>MGL altimeter in my Mark III and it comes with the integrated ASI. I
>already have an Airspeed indicator so the question becomes:
>
>
> 1) Can a single Pitot ram air source be split to drive two ASI?
> 2) Ignore the MGL ASI and use the old analog ASI already in the plane.
> 3) Install an additional Pitot tube.
>
>It would be nice to have a redundant system, but I am not really all
>that excited about installing another pitot tube.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442764#442764
>
>
Or 4: remove the old a/s indicator...
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot Source |
| From: | Martin Koxxy <martinkoxxy(at)gmail.com> |
I have seen several specs for instruments that use pitot pressure saying
that one pitot for several instruments is OK. Makes sense when you realize
that a pitot system does not actually move air, but rather transmits
pressure. The only downside is that you give up redundancy (clogged or
disconnected tubing, leaking fittings).
BTW, do not try to blow out obstructions without disconnecting the
instrument(s). That goes for the static port as well.
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Leland.Lam
wrote:
>
> Ok Kolbers I have a dilemma that I need advice on. I am installing an MGL
> altimeter in my Mark III and it comes with the integrated ASI. I already
> have an Airspeed indicator so the question becomes:
>
>
> 1) Can a single Pitot ram air source be split to drive two ASI?
> 2) Ignore the MGL ASI and use the old analog ASI already in the plane.
> 3) Install an additional Pitot tube.
>
> It would be nice to have a redundant system, but I am not really all that
> excited about installing another pitot tube.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442764#442764
>
>
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
If I were to have redundant ASI systems, I would not want them tied together
for the sake of redundancy.
Past experience:
1) Forced the rear end of a bug into the pitot tube while on takeoff roll.
Airspeed was up, rotated and started climb out. Glanced back at ASI and it
was at 0!
I would want the second pitot tube several inches from the first so that a
really big butt bug couldn't plug them both. The odds of spearing a bug on
takeoff, fairly large. Spearing two on the same flight?
2) Child of passenger crawled under the wing and broke the pitot tube after
I had checked in on pre-flight. Little bugger "put it back" so as to cover
up the damage. It worked fine until we were in the air. In this case, the
kid probably would have busted two pitot tubes if he could have......
There is no substitute for the "seat of your pants". :)
Stuart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Leland.Lam
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 1:35 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Pitot Source
Ok Kolbers I have a dilemma that I need advice on. I am installing an MGL
altimeter in my Mark III and it comes with the integrated ASI. I already
have an Airspeed indicator so the question becomes:
1) Can a single Pitot ram air source be split to drive two ASI?
2) Ignore the MGL ASI and use the old analog ASI already in the plane.
3) Install an additional Pitot tube.
It would be nice to have a redundant system, but I am not really all that
excited about installing another pitot tube.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442764#442764
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot Source |
| From: | "Leland.Lam" <wadelamoreaux(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you for all of the replies. I was happy with just one ASI, but I needed an
altimeter and since the MGL has the ASI built into it I was hoping to utilize
this function.
I am flying in and out of a Class D under the Mode C veil of PHX, so I have had
to add a few things into the airplane to keep the controllers happy.
Many thanks to you all,
Leland
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
How does one tell airspeed by the seat of their pants?
john h
mkIII
Meridian, MS
There is no substitute for the "seat of your pants". :)
Stuart
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot Source |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
I tell by how big a bite I am taking out of my shorts. :-) It helps to err
on the side of TOO FAST. :-)
Larry
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 6:18 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> How does one tell airspeed by the seat of their pants?
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Meridian, MS
>
>
> There is no substitute for the "seat of your pants". :)
>
> Stuart
>
>
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
Yeah, when I smucked that bug with the pitot, I must have been doing 90
MPH when the Chief got back to earth. J
Actually, probably not. Years later, I realized that after the runway
was made, I never look at the ASI. It took a question from a fellow
pilot about what speed I touch down at. I realized I couldn=99t
answer it because I never look at the panel when I touch down, I am
concentrating on the runway at that moment. I have to force myself to
look inside.
Stuart
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Cottrell
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pitot Source
I tell by how big a bite I am taking out of my shorts. :-) It helps to
err on the side of TOO FAST. :-)
Larry
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 6:18 PM, John Hauck
wrote:
How does one tell airspeed by the seat of their pants?
john h
mkIII
Meridian, MS
There is no substitute for the "seat of your pants". :)
Stuart
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
The friction causes them to heat up. :)
Altitude too:
Grass stains mean you were too low and ice means you were too high.
Attitude too:
Sun burn means you were upside down. Brown stains means, well you can
imagine that one!
Stuart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 7:19 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Pitot Source
How does one tell airspeed by the seat of their pants?
john h
mkIII
Meridian, MS
There is no substitute for the "seat of your pants". :)
Stuart
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| Subject: | Re: New Firefly quick build |
| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
Looks great!
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | new Serenity video |
Hi Everyone,
I have been practicing with my Firefly and with a Garmin Virb Elite camera.
Not real good with either, but things are advancing. The recordings of the
flights are watched over and over as a review on days that the weather
doesn't want me to fly. This is proving to be very helpful.
Was out last Wednesday morning, it was perfectly calm air. Did some air
work, checking on hands off flight. Have a slight roll to the right and a
pretty good yaw to the right. I found the left aileron was hanging a little
low, so corrected that but won't know how much it will change things until
the next flight.
At 5800 RPM I am getting an indicated air speed of about 63 MPH. I am also
getting a really consistent fuel burn of just under 3 gallons per hour. This
pleases me a great deal. (Rotax 447/Warp Drive 60" 3 blade)
EGT problems have mostly gone away. I just apply a little "choke" when
reducing RPMs into mid-range. On landing approach I turn that off just
before adding a little power for final touch down.
At Y19 there is 400' of the grass runway between the main runway and the
taxiway. I was able to get in and out on that little bit last week.
The takeoff and landing was edited down to a minute and a half. The file is
a .MP4 and is 88MB in size.
Take a look if you so desire:
http://www.harnerfarm.net/serenity/videos/TandL%20%282%29.mp4
Stuart
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| Subject: | My Mk III Classic is still available |
| From: | "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com> |
Greetings, Kolbers,
My Steven Green-built MkIII Classic is still available. It was built in 2001, and
has about 770 hours on the airframe and the 100 hp Rotax 912 ULS.
The compression test in May showed a maximum of 3 lbs. drop in the cylinder pressures,
which is phenomenal.
This Kolb has always been hangared, has a BRS, Mode C transponder, and comes with
many extras. It will be sold with a fresh Condition Inspection.
If you or anyone you know is looking for a fine MkIII, please contact me off-list.
The asking price is $23,500.
Thanks for your support,
Dave Watkins
david.watkins0(at)gmail.com
954-608-5423
PS. The attached photo shows the previous engine, not the 912.
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| From: | kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
Believe it or not, I remember Stavanger with pleasure! Would love to see
it again but doubt I ever will. Say hello to the town for me
Have fun & keep a flask on the wheelchair. Eliminates squeaks and
squawks.
Fair winds,
Russ
> On May 29, 2015, at 5:32 AM, Patrick Ladd
wrote:
>
> Hi Russ,
> no such luck. A weeks cruise. Southampton to Stavangar first leg. Its
raining and blowing up a hooghlie at the moment and the temps in Norway
are way down. Taking my wheelchair but don`t anticipate
> getting around too much. Sit on the boat and read and draw. Shame.
this is the first time I have ventured abroad since I was taken ill 5
years ago on the eve of going to the States.. Tal;k to you in a week.
>
> Pat
> From: kinne russ <mailto:russk50(at)gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:57 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rivets
>
> Bon Voyage, Pat! =97 got your trout rod with you?
> Russ
>
>> On May 28, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Patrick Ladd > wrote:
>>
>> Gosh you guys sure have hair triggers. Give the guys a break. If you
were supplying goods to the aircraft industry wouldn`t you keep an eye
on the literature? These days that includes lists and blogs. I don`t
see any `Big Brother` in that. Just good business practice.
>> They saw an item being criticised for being over priced and just
pointed out that it was being compared to a different product and
mentioned the fact that they also sell cheaper ones. Seems reasonable to
me.
>> It appears that they support the sponsorship deal. Seems to show good
intent.
>>
>> An old saying occurs to me. Something about `With hold your verdict
until all the evidence is in`
>>
>> Incidentally its no good sending me posts telling me that I am wrong
a I am off to Norway for seven days in the morning.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
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>> class="">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Removing bolt from elevator control mechanism |
| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
Hi All
Just starting a rebuild of a new to me FS2 and I am in the process of disassembly.
I am trying to remove the bolt holding the elevator control mechanism to the elevator
it is rusted stuck in place to the bolt and was wondering if i could cut
the tubing and bolt and just replace the tubing that appears to be inserted
threw the tubing attached to the elevator?
Are they supposed to sliding on each other? Mine are rusted together.
Rust never sleeps!
Thank you Mike
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Removing bolt from elevator control mechanism |
On 6/3/2015 6:49 PM, Mcabbage wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> Just starting a rebuild of a new to me FS2 and I am in the process of disassembly.
>
> I am trying to remove the bolt holding the elevator control mechanism to the
elevator it is rusted stuck in place to the bolt and was wondering if i could
cut the tubing and bolt and just replace the tubing that appears to be inserted
threw the tubing attached to the elevator?
>
> Are they supposed to sliding on each other? Mine are rusted together.
>
> Rust never sleeps!
> Thank you Mike
>
Have you tried some of the more powerful rust dissolvers? (50-50 mix of
acetone and automatic transmission fluid works amazingly well.) If it
were mine, I'd also at least try a 2 jaw gear puller to see if it could
push the bolt out (after the home-built rust cutter treatment).
Charlie
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | Removing bolt from elevator control mechanism |
Yes, acetone/ATF is a fantastic mix. It takes time to soak through.
Also heat it with a torch and then cool it off. Heat/cool cycles work to
break the rust loose. Alternating the heat/cool, soak routine and be
patient, it will come loose!
Stuart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Removing bolt from elevator control mechanism
On 6/3/2015 6:49 PM, Mcabbage wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> Just starting a rebuild of a new to me FS2 and I am in the process of
disassembly.
>
> I am trying to remove the bolt holding the elevator control mechanism to
the elevator it is rusted stuck in place to the bolt and was wondering if i
could cut the tubing and bolt and just replace the tubing that appears to be
inserted threw the tubing attached to the elevator?
>
> Are they supposed to sliding on each other? Mine are rusted together.
>
> Rust never sleeps!
> Thank you Mike
>
Have you tried some of the more powerful rust dissolvers? (50-50 mix of
acetone and automatic transmission fluid works amazingly well.) If it were
mine, I'd also at least try a 2 jaw gear puller to see if it could push the
bolt out (after the home-built rust cutter treatment).
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Removing bolt from elevator control mechanism |
| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
Thanks will give it a try!
--------
2007 Firestar 2 503
Moster 185 flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
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| Subject: | Need measurement on M3X with 912 |
| From: | jody morgan <jodymorgan(at)earthlink.net> |
Hey All,
I'm building a M3X planning to mount a Suzuki 4 cyl engine on it.
I need the distance from the center of the prop hub to the top of the main
boom tube to see what I have to do to get the prop at the same height as
the 912.
Hope that makes sense.
Thanks,
Jody
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| From: | Colin Hudson <colin.scott.hudson(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Need measurement on M3X with 912 |
Jody I have a factory built M3X with a Jabiru 2200 in it. It's 38 1/4".
Scott Hudson
N424AL
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 4, 2015, at 10:21 AM, jody morgan wrote:
>
> Hey All,
>
> I'm building a M3X planning to mount a Suzuki 4 cyl engine on it.
> I need the distance from the center of the prop hub to the top of the main
boom tube to see what I have to do to get the prop at the same height as th
e 912.
>
> Hope that makes sense.
> Thanks,
> Jody
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Removing bolt from elevator control mechanism |
| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
I finally cut them off with a die grinder after talking with Bryan
at Kolb. The tubing is just spacers so easily replaced.
However the remaining bolt is frozen inside the elevators so bad
I can't twist out the bolts even with vice grips! So I'm soaking in
the Acetone mix tonight hopefully I don't have to remake the elevators.
Thanks guys I appreciate the suggestions.
Mike
--------
2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
Moster 185 flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
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| Subject: | Re: Removing bolt from elevator control mechanism |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
https://imageresizer.codeplex.com/
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-xp/help/digitalphotography/resize-digital-pictures
http://microsoft-powertoys-image-resizer.en.softonic.com/
Sigh...
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those
to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'
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| From: | Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi,
back from Norway a couple of hours ago. Storms in the fiords. Where we
were supposed to go ashore by lighter was scrapped. Disappointed by
fiords. Was expecting steep sided gorges and all we got was small islets
as if in a large estuary. Good cruise companions though. One couple
were yacht charterers and had been about a bit. drank a lot and good
shows on board and NO KIDS. Super crossing coming home. Like a mill
pond. glad to be back.
Just finished writing a jazz horror story. About 40 pages single side
A4. Would you like it? Can send attached to e-mail.
Pat
From: kinne russ
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rivets
Believe it or not, I remember Stavanger with pleasure! Would love to see
it again but doubt I ever will. Say hello to the town for me
Have fun & keep a flask on the wheelchair. Eliminates squeaks and
squawks.
Fair winds,
Russ
On May 29, 2015, at 5:32 AM, Patrick Ladd
wrote:
Hi Russ,
no such luck. A weeks cruise. Southampton to Stavangar first leg. Its
raining and blowing up a hooghlie at the moment and the temps in Norway
are way down. Taking my wheelchair but don`t anticipate
getting around too much. Sit on the boat and read and draw. Shame.
this is the first time I have ventured abroad since I was taken ill 5
years ago on the eve of going to the States.. Tal;k to you in a week.
Pat
From: kinne russ
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:57 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rivets
Bon Voyage, Pat! =97 got your trout rod with you?
Russ
On May 28, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Patrick Ladd
wrote:
Gosh you guys sure have hair triggers. Give the guys a break. If you
were supplying goods to the aircraft industry wouldn`t you keep an eye
on the literature? These days that includes lists and blogs. I don`t
see any `Big Brother` in that. Just good business practice.
They saw an item being criticised for being over priced and just
pointed out that it was being compared to a different product and
mentioned the fact that they also sell cheaper ones. Seems reasonable to
me.
It appears that they support the sponsorship deal. Seems to show
good intent.
An old saying occurs to me. Something about `With hold your verdict
until all the evidence is in`
Incidentally its no good sending me posts telling me that I am wrong
a I am off to Norway for seven days in the morning.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Removing bolt from elevator control mechanism |
| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
Thanks Richard.
Sorry guys pics easy to resize in windows not quite used to the android experience.
will resize in the future.
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Moster 185 flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
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| Subject: | Re: Removing bolt from elevator control mechanism |
| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
Thanks Richard.
Sorry guys pics pretty easy for me to resize in windows not quite used to the android
cellphone experience.
will resize in the future.
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Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
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| Subject: | Re: Removing bolt from elevator control mechanism |
| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
Testing I think I got it?
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| From: | Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com> |
Sorry to everyone that my message to Russ was sent to the list by
mistake. Finger trouble. Pat
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| Subject: | 503 DCDI cutting out. |
| From: | "Kirkds" <kirk.smith(at)frontier.com> |
I have a Firestar II with a Rotax 503 DCDI and it's been cutting out. I replaced
all the fuel lines, filter, and fuel pump. When I turn on the electric pump
the problem goes away. Help!!!!
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Kirk Smith
Columbiaville, MI
Firestar II
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| Subject: | Re: 503 DCDI cutting out. |
| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
My first guess would be to see what pressure the pump is putting out,
followed by knowing what pressure it goes to when you add the electric
pump.
Next I would check the fuel passageway on the inlet to the carb, paying
special attention to the small opening above the float needle valve.
>From there I would have to rethink..
When using only the pulse pump does adding the enrichener help?
Boyd
On Jun 5, 2015 9:03 AM, "Kirkds" wrote:
>
> I have a Firestar II with a Rotax 503 DCDI and it's been cutting out. I
> replaced all the fuel lines, filter, and fuel pump. When I turn on the
> electric pump the problem goes away. Help!!!!
>
> --------
> Kirk Smith
> Columbiaville, MI
>
> Firestar II
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| From: | "Kirk Smith" <kirk.smith(at)frontier.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 503 DCDI cutting out. |
Haven=99t tried the enrichener. Will have to find a pressure gauge. W
hat=99s odd is I=99ve taken off 3 times on just the pulse pump
with lots of power, climb to 300 feet to level off and then is when it star
ts cutting out so I flip the electric on, land, and go back to the drawing
board. I think I=99ll just pull the carbs and clean them.
From: B Young
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 503 DCDI cutting out.
My first guess would be to see what pressure the pump is putting out, fo
llowed by knowing what pressure it goes to when you add the electric pump.
Next I would check the fuel passageway on the inlet to the carb, paying spe
cial attention to the small opening above the float needle valve.
>From there I would have to rethink..
When using only the pulse pump does adding the enrichener help?
Boyd
On Jun 5, 2015 9:03 AM, "Kirkds" wrote:
I have a Firestar II with a Rotax 503 DCDI and it's been cutting out. I r
eplaced all the fuel lines, filter, and fuel pump. When I turn on the elect
ric pump the problem goes away. Help!!!!
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Columbiaville, MI
Firestar II
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| Subject: | Re: 503 DCDI cutting out. |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
I have ran a 447- 2-503's, and an HKS on a Firestar. With my fuel line
routing the pulse pump has never been enough to run the engine on full
throttle. Leave the electric on, it won't hurt anything. Your pulse is not
capable or intended to lift that high. I think? that the fuel source is
supposed to be within 18 inches of the pump.. Only 700 hours on my Facett
so far.
Larry
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Kirkds wrote:
>
> I have a Firestar II with a Rotax 503 DCDI and it's been cutting out. I
> replaced all the fuel lines, filter, and fuel pump. When I turn on the
> electric pump the problem goes away. Help!!!!
>
> --------
> Kirk Smith
> Columbiaville, MI
>
> Firestar II
>
>
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| From: | "Kirk Smith" <kirk.smith(at)frontier.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 503 DCDI cutting out. |
Up until recently it has ran fine on the pulse pump but started cutting out
so I replaced all the lines, the filter, and pump thinking the pump was go
ing bad. Got to quit testing for a while as the weather is deteriorating
now. Thx!
From: Larry Cottrell
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 503 DCDI cutting out.
I have ran a 447- 2-503's, and an HKS on a Firestar. With my fuel line rout
ing the pulse pump has never been enough to run the engine on full throttle
. Leave the electric on, it won't hurt anything. Your pulse is not capable
or intended to lift that high. I think? that the fuel source is supposed to
be within 18 inches of the pump.. Only 700 hours on my Facett so far.
Larry
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Kirkds wrote:
I have a Firestar II with a Rotax 503 DCDI and it's been cutting out. I r
eplaced all the fuel lines, filter, and fuel pump. When I turn on the elect
ric pump the problem goes away. Help!!!!
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Columbiaville, MI
Firestar II
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| From: | Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 503 DCDI cutting out. |
check the vent on the tank...
On 06/05/2015 11:08 AM, Kirk Smith wrote:
> Havent tried the enrichener. Will have to find a pressure gauge.
> Whats odd is Ive taken off 3 times on just the pulse pump with lots
> of power, climb to 300 feet to level off and then is when it starts
> cutting out so I flip the electric on, land, and go back to the
> drawing board. I think Ill just pull the carbs and clean them.
> *From:* B Young
> *Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2015 11:55 AM
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: 503 DCDI cutting out.
>
> My first guess would be to see what pressure the pump is putting
> out, followed by knowing what pressure it goes to when you add the
> electric pump.
> Next I would check the fuel passageway on the inlet to the carb,
> paying special attention to the small opening above the float needle
> valve.
>
> From there I would have to rethink..
>
> When using only the pulse pump does adding the enrichener help?
> Boyd
>
> On Jun 5, 2015 9:03 AM, "Kirkds" > wrote:
>
> >
>
> I have a Firestar II with a Rotax 503 DCDI and it's been cutting
> out. I replaced all the fuel lines, filter, and fuel pump. When I
> turn on the electric pump the problem goes away. Help!!!!
>
> --------
> Kirk Smith
> Columbiaville, MI
>
> Firestar II
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| From: | Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 503 DCDI cutting out. |
Reading down the list...everyone thought of the tank vents :-) Herb
could be a problem with carb bowl vents also..
On 06/05/2015 12:48 PM, Kirk Smith wrote:
> Up until recently it has ran fine on the pulse pump but started
> cutting out so I replaced all the lines, the filter, and pump thinking
> the pump was going bad. Got to quit testing for a while as the
> weather is deteriorating now. Thx!
> *From:* Larry Cottrell
> *Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2015 12:12 PM
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: 503 DCDI cutting out.
> I have ran a 447- 2-503's, and an HKS on a Firestar. With my fuel line
> routing the pulse pump has never been enough to run the engine on full
> throttle. Leave the electric on, it won't hurt anything. Your pulse is
> not capable or intended to lift that high. I think? that the fuel
> source is supposed to be within 18 inches of the pump.. Only 700 hours
> on my Facett so far.
> Larry
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Kirkds > wrote:
>
> >
>
> I have a Firestar II with a Rotax 503 DCDI and it's been cutting
> out. I replaced all the fuel lines, filter, and fuel pump. When I
> turn on the electric pump the problem goes away. Help!!!!
>
> --------
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> Columbiaville, MI
>
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| Subject: | Re: 503 DCDI cutting out. |
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
Kirkds wrote:
> I have a Firestar II with a Rotax 503 DCDI and it's been cutting out. I replaced
all the fuel lines, filter, and fuel pump. When I turn on the electric pump
the problem goes away. Help!!!!
You indicated that you had replaced the pump. Are you sure the replacement was
a good one? I would consider rebuilding the original pump. Easy, simple and
cheap.
If turning the electric on eliminates the problem, I wouldn't suspect venting.
You could tie it down and run it like you would on take off. If and when it cuts
out, shut it down without turning the electric pump on and drop the bowls.
Bowls dry? Both or one? May be a clue there.
Worth what you paid for it..... your results may vary....
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FS II R503 N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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| From: | "Kirk Smith" <kirk.smith(at)frontier.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 503 DCDI cutting out. |
I=99m going to pull the electric fuel pump and maybe back flush it .
There could be some restriction there as it=99s in series with the pu
lse pump. The manual says it should be in parallel though it=99s been
working a long time in series with no problems. I=99m thinking I sh
ould just lower the pulse pump too.
From: Herb
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 503 DCDI cutting out.
Reading down the list...everyone thought of the tank vents :-) Herb
could be a problem with carb bowl vents also..
On 06/05/2015 12:48 PM, Kirk Smith wrote:
Up until recently it has ran fine on the pulse pump but started cutting o
ut so I replaced all the lines, the filter, and pump thinking the pump was
going bad. Got to quit testing for a while as the weather is deterioratin
g now. Thx!
From: Larry Cottrell
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 12:12 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 503 DCDI cutting out.
I have ran a 447- 2-503's, and an HKS on a Firestar. With my fuel line ro
uting the pulse pump has never been enough to run the engine on full thrott
le. Leave the electric on, it won't hurt anything. Your pulse is not capabl
e or intended to lift that high. I think? that the fuel source is supposed
to be within 18 inches of the pump.. Only 700 hours on my Facett so far.
Larry
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Kirkds wrote:
I have a Firestar II with a Rotax 503 DCDI and it's been cutting out. I
replaced all the fuel lines, filter, and fuel pump. When I turn on the ele
ctric pump the problem goes away. Help!!!!
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Columbiaville, MI
Firestar II
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| From: | "Kirk Smith" <kirk.smith(at)frontier.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 503 DCDI cutting out. |
I can do that ( tie it down). Thx! I'm thinking the pump I replaced is a
good one as it does the same thing on the new one which is why I replaced
the old one. Maybe they are both bad .....:>(
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From: George Alexander
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 2:48 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 503 DCDI cutting out.
Kirkds wrote:
> I have a Firestar II with a Rotax 503 DCDI and it's been cutting out. I
> replaced all the fuel lines, filter, and fuel pump. When I turn on the
> electric pump the problem goes away. Help!!!!
You indicated that you had replaced the pump. Are you sure the replacement
was a good one? I would consider rebuilding the original pump. Easy,
simple and cheap.
If turning the electric on eliminates the problem, I wouldn't suspect
venting.
You could tie it down and run it like you would on take off. If and when it
cuts out, shut it down without turning the electric pump on and drop the
bowls. Bowls dry? Both or one? May be a clue there.
Worth what you paid for it..... your results may vary....
--------
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FS II R503 N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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| Subject: | Firestar for sale |
503, warp drive prop, flip top windscreen, completely reconditioned. Ted Cow
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