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If you want to share subjects not Kolb related, take them somewhere else. Start a bull shit list for bull shit subjects. There are times traffic on the Kolb List is slow and nonexistent. That does not mean the List is dead. When someone has a problem or wants to share something Kolb, they will, and the conversations begin on that subject. Please do not destroy our Kolb List. john h Kolb MKIII, N101AB -----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Ladd Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: legs
Come on you guys, there would seem to be some great stories out there. Lets have `em. Let the procedure police stew for while. Pat -----Original Message-----
From: Brad Nation
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:04 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs Does an hour back seat ride in an A-7 with an emergency landing or taxi ride in a B-57G count? Sent from my iPad Brad > On Aug 10, 2015, at 09:37, Tom O'Hara wrote: > > --> > > Okay, are we comparing who paid what for how many hours in what type > of aircraft? If so..... crossed the Alps in hot air. Left Murren, > flew > 5.75 hours, up to 19,500 ft. Dropper to 10' and flew the Eiger glacier. > Landed north of Lugano and could see all the way down the Italian boot. > At one point had a Swiss Air 747 doing a turn around us. Best day of > my > life---- with my pants on. Cost about $2200USD. That included meals > and a hotel for the night before. Lifted off with 120 gallons of > propane and landed with less than 10--phew. > > Still love my Kolb!! Just think the Kolb is about 10x faster! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445771#445771 > > = Photoshare, and much much more: = = = ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Primer Bulb
Date: Aug 18, 2015
Brother Pike: I have no doubt you will make the very best fuel line connections possible, no matter how many there are. I can assure you my 65 hp MKIII flew quite well with neoprene fuel line. Most folks know I build heavy airplanes, haul 25 gallons of fuel, and 100 or more pounds of gear when I go flying. I didn't encounter any problem flying to Lakeland, FL, Homer Kolb's house, and Oshkosh hauling all that load with 65 hp. I doubt very seriously you or your 65 hp MKIII would ever notice the difference in a few extra ounces. john h mkIII powered with 65, 80, and 100 (95 useable) HP engines. JBER, Anchorage, Alaska I guess if I had 100 hp on my MKIII I wouldn't care about hauling around extra ounces either, but since neoprene is heavier than aluminum fuel line, and I only have 65 hp to work with, I will use the good/light stuff and insure due diligence at my connections. Clear skies and tailwinds to you Bro. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.' Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446130#446130 = Photoshare, and much much more: = = = ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2015
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: fly safe...use a rubber...hose that is!!
Pore ole Herb....I go into the auto parts store and ask for Gates fuel line...Most sell that particular brand...Neoprene seems to refer to the outside cover.. Three layers... good for 10% corn elixir... That what you buy..John? Wonder if Beauford gets his corn through a straw or gates hose?? :-) For all of those on the edge of their seats :-) ,,,,Just about ready to commit to the air...got caught in that 90% done 90% to go syndrome...and to be honest lots of things to do on my 35 acres... The Firefly is looking pretty good... Full enclosure is done... Wondering if the two blade 60 inch Warp Drive prop is going to be enough...? As I said before...I will trade a three blade, medium(503,582) Ivo for a three blade UL version... I like the smoothness of the IVO .. And....all my previous builds were completely done in Insignia White....so I have no experience in taping and trim painting....I want to do the Bryan Milborn standard paint job...quite similar to half of the Kolbs that are for sale on Barnstormers....The previous owner had painted the tail feathers in a trim scheme that looks close to Factory.. Interesting that a so so Firefly for sale has an asking of 9k and a darn pretty one 25k!! I know well that my 1k john boat will catch as many fish as a 50K bass boat...:-) Maybe the 9k version does not come with a fishing pole? But I digress! The previous owner had painted the tail feathers in a trim scheme that looks close to Factory... I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up as much news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper that has the small holes in it... I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying that with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper.... need all the help that I can get... Herb in Ky ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Procedure police
Date: Aug 19, 2015
John, you took so long jumping on this one I thought you must be on a Xcountry somewhere and out of touch. Yes it is a Kolb list, not exclusively a Kolb BUILDERS list, but a list for Kolb owners and flyers. Surprisingly there are some listers who are not enthused by the never ending discussion of adding primer bulbs and pumps to an engine which works perfectly well straight from the makers without them. Fine if that is what turns you on. But there are others who would like to talk about flying occasionally. See how popular the flying videos are. People have adventures, mischances, experiences which are not only interesting but often instructive of the `I learned about flying from that` genre. Your own stories of your Xcountries are fascinating if a little too short. When I was dithering about my proposed Spitfire flight several listers posted urging me to go for it and TELL THE LIST ABOUT IT AFTERWARDS. A few yarns about something other than how to straighten gear legs will not signal the end of the list as we know it. It will be a short diversion and then we shall be back to the usual fare. No one wishes to change the basic format of the list, it has survived and proved itself, but it would be interesting to hear other listers flying experiences sometimes. Cheers Pat -----Original Message----- From: John Hauck Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:19 AM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: legs I'm certainly not the "procedure police", but I am and have been a member of the Kolb Builder and Flyers List for many years. I speak for myself and no one else. The best way to kill a good Kolb List is to ignore the posted guidelines, turning a List for serious builders and flyers of Kolb aircraft into a chat room. It is then no longer the Kolb List. Please have some respect for those of us that are "real" Kolb enthusiast. Some of you seem to do you damnedest to ruin our List. If you want to share subjects not Kolb related, take them somewhere else. Start a bull shit list for bull shit subjects. There are times traffic on the Kolb List is slow and nonexistent. That does not mean the List is dead. When someone has a problem or wants to share something Kolb, they will, and the conversations begin on that subject. Please do not destroy our Kolb List. john h Kolb MKIII, N101AB -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Ladd Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs Come on you guys, there would seem to be some great stories out there. Lets have `em. Let the procedure police stew for while. Pat -----Original Message----- From: Brad Nation Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:04 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs Does an hour back seat ride in an A-7 with an emergency landing or taxi ride in a B-57G count? Sent from my iPad Brad > On Aug 10, 2015, at 09:37, Tom O'Hara wrote: > > --> > > Okay, are we comparing who paid what for how many hours in what type > of aircraft? If so..... crossed the Alps in hot air. Left Murren, > flew > 5.75 hours, up to 19,500 ft. Dropper to 10' and flew the Eiger glacier. > Landed north of Lugano and could see all the way down the Italian boot. > At one point had a Swiss Air 747 doing a turn around us. Best day of > my > life---- with my pants on. Cost about $2200USD. That included meals > and a hotel for the night before. Lifted off with 120 gallons of > propane and landed with less than 10--phew. > > Still love my Kolb!! Just think the Kolb is about 10x faster! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445771#445771 > > = Photoshare, and much much more: = = = ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: legs
Date: Aug 19, 2015
Great Stuff, Brad. More interesting than primer bulbs!. Pat From: Brad Nation Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 4:18 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs Thought this is not Kolb but it is however flying. Yes they both were for different reasons. The B-57G taxi ride was when I was about 12 and we were stationed at Eglin A.F.B. Fl. Every month my Dad would take my brother and me to get our hair cut and breakfast. On this occasion we stopped by to check on his airplane, which was on the flight line as it had just getting some repair or maintenance. The Crew Chief suggested that my Dad take it for a taxi. I don=92t know who suggested that by brother and I get in the back seat. Of course being the obedient military brats we climbed right in. Being that we were just kids and their wasn=92t then normal parachute or survival pack seat so we weren=92t able see out out But that didn=92t matter, we were riding not just a military plane by Dad=92s plane. How cool was that? Very! The A-7 ride was an incentive ride while I was in the New Mexico Air National Guard. The flight started out as a 4 ship training mission to an MOA in Colorado, a bombing mission. Two of the planes had to return to base due to some mechanical problems. I got to fly pretty much the whole way up. For each run we would come in low, invert to acquire the target, roll out drop the bombs and pull out with about 3.5 Gs. Yes the G suites do work. After the bombing runs my pilot asks me if I=92m ready to join up with the lead. I tell him yes and he pulls up and do a few barrel rolls around the lead. I go to full O2. On the return to base over Northern NM we are doing some somewhat low level terrain following a few 100 feet off the deck. And that=92s when I ask the pilot what the yellow GEN light is for, he says give me some reply that isn=92t =93yeppy=94. He deploys the RAT (Ram Air Turbine) which is supposed to spin up in the slip stream and generate electricity for some of the hydraulics and such, nothing really important, just brakes, air conditioning, and some other stuff. By the way this is taking place in the summer in New Mexico it=92s hot but not nearly so as Phoenix. But it=92s a dry heat. I=92m informed that if anything else goes wrong we are punching out so we go over the ejection procedures. Fortunately we don=92t have to. We contact NMANG Ops and let home know we have an emergency. The A-7 was originally a Navy design so it has an arresting tail hook. It takes a bit for them to set up the arresting gear on the runway so we have to circle around a bit in the summer sun with no air-conditioning. The landing is uneventful but very quick. Had I been quick enough I should have asked to log the dual instruction time in my log book, not sure if that would have happened but it would have been nice. Brad ___________________________ =93Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.=94 -- President Ronald Reagan On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:46 , Tom O'Hara wrote: Yellowbird-- if we are really counting, they count. If we are not counting, they still count! Both must have been good rides! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445900#445900 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net>
Subject: Painting trim
Date: Aug 19, 2015
Herb, You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the line you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another layer of tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in the ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking tape for this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down before I start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and "eyeball" your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape gets applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see that if you have the masking paper in place. Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than straight areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the whole masked up edge. I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in rolls up to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try newspapers as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't have any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first 12" away from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier in that area. Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent the new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to dry, the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch. Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done! Stuart I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up as much news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper that has the small holes in it... I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying that with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper.... need all the help that I can get... Herb in Ky ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2015
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Painting trim
Stuart I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the acetone and mek that is in the paint? Think I will buy some brown paper at one of the auto or hardware stores...Herb ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the fuselage..will paint the wing leading edge outside...:-) On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM, Stuart Harner wrote: > > Herb, > > You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the line > you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another layer of > tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in the > ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking tape for > this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down before I > start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and "eyeball" > your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape gets > applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see that if > you have the masking paper in place. > > Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than straight > areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the whole > masked up edge. > > I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in rolls up > to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try newspapers > as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't have > any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first 12" away > from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier in > that area. > > Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it > contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh > tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent the > new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape > sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to dry, > the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be > removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch. > > Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done! > > Stuart > > > > I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up as much > news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper > that has the small holes in it... > > I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying that > with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper.... > need all the help that I can get... Herb in Ky > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pcking" <pc.king(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Painting trim
Date: Aug 19, 2015
Test masking tape for paint bleed under the edges before you put it all over your Kolb. Blue painter's tape is low stick and has a better edge. You can buy blue tape with paper already applied to it. It costs more but is worth the lower effort. Taping paper is like hanging wallpaper by yourself. It's not pretty. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herb" <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim > > Stuart > > I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the acetone > and mek that is in the paint? Think I will buy some brown paper at one of > the auto or hardware stores...Herb > > ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the fuselage..will > paint the wing leading edge outside...:-) > > On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM, Stuart Harner wrote: >> >> Herb, >> >> You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the line >> you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another layer >> of >> tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in the >> ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking tape >> for >> this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down before I >> start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and >> "eyeball" >> your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape >> gets >> applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see that >> if >> you have the masking paper in place. >> >> Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than >> straight >> areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the >> whole >> masked up edge. >> >> I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in rolls >> up >> to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try >> newspapers >> as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't >> have >> any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first 12" >> away >> from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier in >> that area. >> >> Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it >> contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh >> tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent the >> new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape >> sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to >> dry, >> the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be >> removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch. >> >> Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done! >> >> Stuart >> >> >> >> >> >> I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up as >> much >> news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper >> that has the small holes in it... >> >> I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying >> that >> with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper.... >> need all the help that I can get... Herb in Ky >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Edit Subject Line
From: "Jason Omelchuck" <jason@trek-tech.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2015
Richard P. If you believe this tag line "There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'" Is kind, generous and loving I believe you have a ways to go to be like the gentleman in the video. FWIW Jason Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446189#446189 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2015
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Edit Subject Line
I have met Brother Pike...a fine gentleman! Instantly likeable.... Richard is tops in my book for contributing unselfishly to the list... I have learned a lot reading his post... Finally...when Richard and millions like him...are gone,,,what then ? My byline if I could figure how to do it...would be " The most dangerous man in America; Any honest man with principle"!! Herb Little more Tolerance would not hurt... On 08/20/2015 10:34 AM, Jason Omelchuck wrote: > > Richard P. > > If you believe this tag line > > "There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'" > > Is kind, generous and loving I believe you have a ways to go to be like the gentleman in the video. > > FWIW > Jason > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446189#446189 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2015
From: GARY JINDRA <gajindra(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Painting trim
=C2-They sell fine line tape for painting at the auto parts. It is very t hin is plastic so it can be stretched to make curves. It has smooth edges t hat will not leave rough paint lines. You put it on first to get lines or d esigns then use blue painters tape on it. Spend the money to use good tape and paper if you want the best paint job you can do.=C2-Gary Jindra=C2- =C2-=C2- Mark 3c 912 ul380 hours From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim Stuart =C2- I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the aceton e and mek that is in the paint?=C2- Think I will buy some brown paper at on e of the auto or hardware stores...Herb ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the fuselage..will paint the wing leading edge outside...:-) On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM, Stuart Harner wrote: > > Herb, > > You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the line > you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another layer o f > tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in the > ease of application.=C2- You can actually use plain old brown masking t ape for > this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down before I > start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and "eyeba ll" > your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape get s > applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see that if > you have the masking paper in place. > > Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than straig ht > areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the whol e > masked up edge. > > I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in rolls up > to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try newspape rs > as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't ha ve > any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first 12" a way > from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier in > that area. > > Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it > contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh > tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent the > new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape > sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to dry , > the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be > removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch. > > Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done! > > Stuart > > > >=C2- =C2- I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathere d up as much > news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper > that has the small holes in it... > >=C2- =C2- I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overl aying that > with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper.... > need all the help that I can get...=C2- Herb in Ky > > S - - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Edit Subject Line
From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
Date: Aug 20, 2015
Jason Omelchuck wrote: > Richard P. > > If you believe this tag line > > "There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'" > > Is kind, generous and loving I believe you have a ways to go to be like the gentleman in the video. > > FWIW > Jason I have a long ways to go to be like any number of gentlemen. Just a sinner saved by grace. Never claimed to be any more than that. Definitely a work in progress, and not always doing all that well. So how's it going with you? -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446218#446218 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2015
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Painting trim
I bought the blue tape and gave it a try this evening...for the life of me could not run a straight line across the top of the wing...!! Gave up and put the puppy back in the garage...Think I will prevail on a buddy who painted F4's for McDonald Douglas back in St Louis...Quite a step down and I know he will have his nose in the air...but he owes me one...:-) Herb On 08/20/2015 05:10 PM, GARY JINDRA wrote: > They sell fine line tape for painting at the auto parts. It is very > thin is plastic so it can be stretched to make curves. It has smooth > edges that will not leave rough paint lines. You put it on first to > get lines or designs then use blue painters tape on it. Spend the > money to use good tape and paper if you want the best paint job you > can do. > */Gary Jindra > /* > */Mark 3c 912 ul/* > */380 hours > /* > *//* > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Herb > *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:41 PM > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim > > > > > Stuart > > I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the acetone > and mek that is in the paint? Think I will buy some brown paper at one > of the auto or hardware stores...Herb > > ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the > fuselage..will paint the wing leading edge outside...:-) > > On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM, Stuart Harner wrote: > > > > > > Herb, > > > > You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the > line > > you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another > layer of > > tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just > in the > > ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking > tape for > > this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down > before I > > start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and > "eyeball" > > your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes > tape gets > > applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see > that if > > you have the masking paper in place. > > > > Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than > straight > > areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the > whole > > masked up edge. > > > > I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in > rolls up > > to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try > newspapers > > as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you > won't have > > any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first > 12" away > > from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be > heavier in > > that area. > > > > Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it > > contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh > > tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help > prevent the > > new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape > > sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two > to dry, > > the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be > > removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch. > > > > Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done! > > > > Stuart > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up > as much > > news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper > > that has the small holes in it... > > > > I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying > that > > with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper.... > > need all the help that I can get... > Her://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List" > target="_blank">http://www.matr --> > <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: legs
From: "Flylawnchairs" <Flylawnchairs(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2015
Very cool brad ! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446223#446223 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net>
Subject: Painting trim
Date: Aug 21, 2015
Herb, To run a long straight line, try using some dental floss. Tape it down securely at one end and then pull it tight and tape it on the other end. Or depending on where it is you may be able to just hang a weight on it to keep it tight. Now go along the line every few inches and make a real light pencil mark. Now you have a guide and only have to tape from mark to mark. Try lightly sticking down only the edge you are trying to create that way it is easy to pick up and reposition if needed. I have watched guys who are pros stick down one end and then pull the tape all the way to the other end. Hold it straight and then lay it down and it was perfect. Since I couldn=99t duplicate their skills, I had to find a way to cheat! There is nothing that says it has to be all one piece of tape either. Work in short(er) sections if that helps you out. Best of luck, Stuart From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 9:09 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim I bought the blue tape and gave it a try this evening...for the life of me could not run a straight line across the top of the wing...!! Gave up and put the puppy back in the garage...Think I will prevail on a buddy who painted F4's for McDonald Douglas back in St Louis...Quite a step down and I know he will have his nose in the air...but he owes me one...:-) Herb On 08/20/2015 05:10 PM, GARY JINDRA wrote: They sell fine line tape for painting at the auto parts. It is very thin is plastic so it can be stretched to make curves. It has smooth edges that will not leave rough paint lines. You put it on first to get lines or designs then use blue painters tape on it. Spend the money to use good tape and paper if you want the best paint job you can do. Gary Jindra Mark 3c 912 ul 380 hours _____ From: Herb <mailto:Herbgh(at)nctc.com> <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim Stuart I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the acetone and mek that is in the paint? Think I will buy some brown paper at one of the auto or hardware stores...Herb ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the fuselage..will paint the wing leading edge outside...:-) On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM, Stuart Harner wrote: > > Herb, > > You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the line > you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another layer of > tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in the > ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking tape for > this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down before I > start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and "eyeball" > your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape gets > applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see that if > you have the masking paper in place. > > Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than straight > areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the whole > masked up edge. > > I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in rolls up > to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try newspapers > as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't have > any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first 12" away > from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier in > that area. > > Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it > contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh > tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent the > new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape > sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to dry, > the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be > removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch. > > Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done! > > Stuart > > > > I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up as much > news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper > that has the small holes in it... > > I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying that > with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper.... > need all the help that I can get... Her://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List" target="_blank">http://www.matr --> - The Kolb-List Email Forum - Un/Subscription, FAQ, href= "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?Kolb-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 21, 2015
Subject: Re: Painting trim
From: Denny Baber <baberdk(at)gmail.com>
A friend of mine is a painter and he told me that if after you put the tape on, spray the edge with hair spray, or paint the tape with the color underneath the tape. Either one makes a really nice line when the tape is removed. Respectfully, Dennis Baber (305) 814-7218 baberdk(at)gmail.com "I can't stand intolerance !!" ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 08/20/15
From: "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net>
Date: Aug 21, 2015
lcottrell wrote: > . . .S N I P . . . For crying out loud, don't read the damn thing if it bothers you that much. You can even go so far as to block his messages to your email, but I have found him to be helpful. Go do something worth while, wash your plane or something.enough for crying out loud, > Larry > . . . . S N I P . . . > At the risk of offending someone...... To you Larry, I say AMEN -------- George Alexander FS II R503 N709FS http://www.oh2fly.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446260#446260 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Procedure police
From: Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net>
Date: Aug 21, 2015
Perhaps my previous post on a couple of back seat rides has inspired some of the recent posts concerning Kolb relatedness. Please allow me to correct my post. Bla bla bla bla back seat ride in non Kolb aircraft bla bla bla. Bla bla bla bla another back seat ride in another non Kolb aircraft bla bla bla. Even though both of these aircraft were not Kolb aircraft I had a great time and I still enjoy flying, riding in, and reading about Kolb airplanes and I am sure my dad (who was the pilot of the B-57) would love flying a Kolb as well. Now the corrected post is a Kolb post as Kolb is mentioned not just once but five times. Thank you very much. Make it a great day. Reduce your stress, go fly. Brad > On Aug 19, 2015, at 03:23, Patrick Ladd wrote: > > > John, > you took so long jumping on this one I thought you must be on a Xcountry somewhere and out of touch. > Yes it is a Kolb list, not exclusively a Kolb BUILDERS list, but a list for Kolb owners and flyers. Surprisingly there are some listers who are not enthused by the never ending discussion of adding primer bulbs and pumps to an engine which works perfectly well straight from the makers without them. Fine if that is what turns you on. But there are others who would like to talk about flying occasionally. See how popular the flying videos are. People have adventures, mischances, experiences which are not only interesting but often instructive of the `I learned about flying from that` genre. Your own stories of your Xcountries are fascinating if a little too short. When I was dithering about my proposed Spitfire flight several listers posted urging me to go for it and TELL THE LIST ABOUT IT AFTERWARDS. A few yarns about something other than how to straighten gear legs will not signal the end of the list as we know it. It will be a short diversion and then we shall be back to the usual fare. No one wishes to change the basic format of the list, it has survived and proved itself, but it would be interesting to hear other listers flying experiences sometimes. > Cheers > > Pat > -----Original Message----- From: John Hauck > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:19 AM > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: legs > > > I'm certainly not the "procedure police", but I am and have > been a member of the Kolb Builder and Flyers List for many > years. > > I speak for myself and no one else. > > The best way to kill a good Kolb List is to ignore the > posted guidelines, turning a List for serious builders and > flyers of Kolb aircraft into a chat room. It is then no > longer the Kolb List. > > Please have some respect for those of us that are "real" > Kolb enthusiast. Some of you seem to do you damnedest to > ruin our List. > > If you want to share subjects not Kolb related, take them > somewhere else. Start a bull shit list for bull shit > subjects. > > There are times traffic on the Kolb List is slow and > nonexistent. That does not mean the List is dead. When > someone has a problem or wants to share something Kolb, they > will, and the conversations begin on that subject. > > Please do not destroy our Kolb List. > > john h > Kolb MKIII, N101AB > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Patrick Ladd > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:38 AM > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs > > > > Come on you guys, there would seem to be some great stories > out there. Lets have `em. Let the procedure police stew for > while. Pat > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Nation > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:04 AM > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs > > > > Does an hour back seat ride in an A-7 with an emergency > landing or taxi ride in a B-57G count? > > Sent from my iPad > > Brad > >> On Aug 10, 2015, at 09:37, Tom O'Hara > wrote: >> >> --> >> >> Okay, are we comparing who paid what for how many hours in > what type >> of aircraft? If so..... crossed the Alps in hot air. > Left Murren, >> flew >> 5.75 hours, up to 19,500 ft. Dropper to 10' and flew the > Eiger glacier. >> Landed north of Lugano and could see all the way down the > Italian boot. >> At one point had a Swiss Air 747 doing a turn around us. > Best day of >> my >> life---- with my pants on. Cost about $2200USD. That > included meals >> and a hotel for the night before. Lifted off with 120 > gallons of >> propane and landed with less than 10--phew. >> >> Still love my Kolb!! Just think the Kolb is about 10x > faster! >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445771#445771 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > = > Photoshare, and much much more: > = > = > = > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Procedure police
Date: Aug 22, 2015
Nice one, Brad . Pat -----Original Message----- From: Brad Nation Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 6:31 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Procedure police Perhaps my previous post on a couple of back seat rides has inspired some of the recent posts concerning Kolb relatedness. Please allow me to correct my post. Bla bla bla bla back seat ride in non Kolb aircraft bla bla bla. Bla bla bla bla another back seat ride in another non Kolb aircraft bla bla bla. Even though both of these aircraft were not Kolb aircraft I had a great time and I still enjoy flying, riding in, and reading about Kolb airplanes and I am sure my dad (who was the pilot of the B-57) would love flying a Kolb as well. Now the corrected post is a Kolb post as Kolb is mentioned not just once but five times. Thank you very much. Make it a great day. Reduce your stress, go fly. Brad > On Aug 19, 2015, at 03:23, Patrick Ladd wrote: > > > John, > you took so long jumping on this one I thought you must be on a Xcountry > somewhere and out of touch. > Yes it is a Kolb list, not exclusively a Kolb BUILDERS list, but a list > for Kolb owners and flyers. Surprisingly there are some listers who are > not enthused by the never ending discussion of adding primer bulbs and > pumps to an engine which works perfectly well straight from the makers > without them. Fine if that is what turns you on. But there are others who > would like to talk about flying occasionally. See how popular the flying > videos are. People have adventures, mischances, experiences which are not > only interesting but often instructive of the `I learned about flying from > that` genre. Your own stories of your Xcountries are fascinating if a > little too short. When I was dithering about my proposed Spitfire flight > several listers posted urging me to go for it and TELL THE LIST ABOUT IT > AFTERWARDS. A few yarns about something other than how to straighten gear > legs will not signal the end of the list as we know it. It will be a short > diversion and then we shall be back t! o the usual fare. No one wishes to change the basic format of the list, it has survived and proved itself, but it would be interesting to hear other listers flying experiences sometimes. > Cheers > > Pat > -----Original Message----- From: John Hauck > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:19 AM > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: legs > > > I'm certainly not the "procedure police", but I am and have > been a member of the Kolb Builder and Flyers List for many > years. > > I speak for myself and no one else. > > The best way to kill a good Kolb List is to ignore the > posted guidelines, turning a List for serious builders and > flyers of Kolb aircraft into a chat room. It is then no > longer the Kolb List. > > Please have some respect for those of us that are "real" > Kolb enthusiast. Some of you seem to do you damnedest to > ruin our List. > > If you want to share subjects not Kolb related, take them > somewhere else. Start a bull shit list for bull shit > subjects. > > There are times traffic on the Kolb List is slow and > nonexistent. That does not mean the List is dead. When > someone has a problem or wants to share something Kolb, they > will, and the conversations begin on that subject. > > Please do not destroy our Kolb List. > > john h > Kolb MKIII, N101AB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Patrick Ladd > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:38 AM > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs > > > > Come on you guys, there would seem to be some great stories > out there. Lets have `em. Let the procedure police stew for > while. Pat > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Nation > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:04 AM > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs > > > > Does an hour back seat ride in an A-7 with an emergency > landing or taxi ride in a B-57G count? > > Sent from my iPad > > Brad > >> On Aug 10, 2015, at 09:37, Tom O'Hara > wrote: >> >> --> >> >> Okay, are we comparing who paid what for how many hours in > what type >> of aircraft? If so..... crossed the Alps in hot air. > Left Murren, >> flew >> 5.75 hours, up to 19,500 ft. Dropper to 10' and flew the > Eiger glacier. >> Landed north of Lugano and could see all the way down the > Italian boot. >> At one point had a Swiss Air 747 doing a turn around us. > Best day of >> my >> life---- with my pants on. Cost about $2200USD. That > included meals >> and a hotel for the night before. Lifted off with 120 > gallons of >> propane and landed with less than 10--phew. >> >> Still love my Kolb!! Just think the Kolb is about 10x > faster! >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445771#445771 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > = > Photoshare, and much much more: > = > = > = > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2015
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 08/21/15
From: B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com>
If you can't pull the tape into a straight line,,, make it a curved line.... follow the scallops in the fabric... Boyd ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2015
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 08/21/15
Boyd That became the straw that broke the camel's back...I made a straight line and pressed the tape into the scallops one at a time..trying not to stretch the tape....later..discovered that the tape had pulled loose.. !! On 08/22/2015 09:02 AM, B Young wrote: > > If you can't pull the tape into a straight line,,, make it a curved > line.... follow the scallops in the fabric... > Boyd > > * > > > * -- Signature text; This the byline area? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2015
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 08/21/15
By the way...did a static wt on the little puppy this morning...with 4.5 gals of gas...wt was 293....empty 266.. with full enclosure...not bad..for a Firefly Herb On 08/22/2015 09:42 AM, Herb wrote: > Boyd > > That became the straw that broke the camel's back...I made a > straight line and pressed the tape into the scallops one at a > time..trying not to stretch the tape....later..discovered that the > tape had pulled loose.. !! > > On 08/22/2015 09:02 AM, B Young wrote: >> >> If you can't pull the tape into a straight line,,, make it a curved >> line.... follow the scallops in the fabric... >> Boyd >> >> * >> >> >> * > > -- > Signature text; This the byline area? > * > > > * -- Signature text; This the byline area? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2015
Subject: Striping tape
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
While reworking a friend's cowling I learned that striping tape is easy to get off, just shave it off with a single edge razor blade. Getting the tape's adhesive off is another matter. The stuff is absolutely tenacious and the solvents that remove it also remove Polytone. If you're thinking of using striping tape on fabric, make sure you really, REALLY like your paint job and have no intention of repainting at some point in the future. If you're unsure keep the striping tape away from glued joints or tapes as you are very likely to weaken or completely destroy their bond while trying to remove the adhesive. Rick Girard -- =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2015
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Striping tape
I will put about 25 hours on this bird,sell it and move on to the Firestar project... did not know that the better 3m tape leaves residue?? I have discovered that N Butanol seems to clean residues from Poly vinyl paints...Herb On 08/22/2015 10:07 AM, Richard Girard wrote: > While reworking a friend's cowling I learned that striping tape is > easy to get off, just shave it off with a single edge razor blade. > Getting the tape's adhesive off is another matter. The stuff is > absolutely tenacious and the solvents that remove it also remove > Polytone. If you're thinking of using striping tape on fabric, make > sure you really, REALLY like your paint job and have no intention of > repainting at some point in the future. If you're unsure keep the > striping tape away from glued joints or tapes as you are very likely > to weaken or completely destroy their bond while trying to remove the > adhesive. > > Rick Girard > > -- > > > Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. Groucho > Marx <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx> > > > * > > > * -- Signature text; This the byline area? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Striping tape
From: Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 22, 2015
>I will put about 25 hours on this bird,sell it and move on to the >Firestar project... > > did not know that the better 3m tape leaves residue?? I have >discovered that N Butanol seems to clean residues from Poly vinyl >paints...Herb > >On 08/22/2015 10:07 AM, Richard Girard wrote: >> While reworking a friend's cowling I learned that striping tape is >> easy to get off, just shave it off with a single edge razor blade. >> Getting the tape's adhesive off is another matter. The stuff is >> absolutely tenacious and the solvents that remove it also remove >> Polytone. If you're thinking of using striping tape on fabric, make >> sure you really, REALLY like your paint job and have no intention of >> repainting at some point in the future. If you're unsure keep the >> striping tape away from glued joints or tapes as you are very likely >> to weaken or completely destroy their bond while trying to remove the > >> adhesive. >> >> Rick Girard >> >> -- >> >> >> Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. Groucho >> Marx <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx> >> >> >> * >> >> >> * > >-- >Signature text; This the byline area? I'll bet there are some crossed electrons. There is tape to define painted stripes, and then there's tape that makes stripes... -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2015
Subject: new video
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
https://vimeo.com/137028167 password - owyheeflyer I have talked many times about checking my neighbors place for Cows stuck in his "Pothole" field. Today it paid off. My cost for flying- $3.00, his savings- $1200.00 Helping a neighbor- priceless. Larry -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: new video
Date: Aug 23, 2015
Looked a lovely day for flying. Nice one. Pat From: Larry Cottrell Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 1:20 AM Subject: Kolb-List: new video https://vimeo.com/137028167 password - owyheeflyer I have talked many times about checking my neighbors place for Cows stuck in his "Pothole" field. Today it paid off. My cost for flying- $3.00, his savings- $1200.00 Helping a neighbor- priceless. Larry -- If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: new video
From: "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 23, 2015
What happens? Do the calves just sink in the mud? Keep the videos coming! [quote="lcottrell"]https://vimeo.com/137028167 (https://vimeo.com/137028167?utm_source=email&utm_medium=clip-transcode_complete-finished-20120100&utm_campaign=7701&email_id=Y2xpcF90cmFuc2NvZGVkfGYyZGRjZjc1YzMyN2UwYzVkOTUwZGJjNWY3OTEyMDk2NzAzfDc2NDA2NDl8MTQ0MDI4Njk0Nnw3NzAx) password - owyheeflyer I have talked many times about checking my neighbors place for Cows stuck in his "Pothole" field. Today it paid off. My cost for flying- $3.00, his savings- $1200.00 Helping a neighbor- priceless. Larry -- If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. > [b] -------- West1m Hastings, MN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446303#446303 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 23, 2015
Subject: Re: new video
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
They have to saddle up a couple of horses, ride over there and pull them out. This one was close to the bank, so they could get close enough to it to be able to rope it from horse back. One of the big Cows that I found was so far out, they couldn't get close to it with the horse. So one of the guy's went out and tossed a loop over its head. We ran the winch of my quad out as far as I could, and winched it out of the mud. The ground in that area is full of little artesian wells. If no one finds them they either die in a couple of days or the Coyotes chew on them till they die.This particular cow only had her head showing above the mud. Larry On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 6:59 PM, west1m wrote: > > What happens? Do the calves just sink in the mud? > > Keep the videos coming! > > > [quote="lcottrell"]https://vimeo.com/137028167 ( > https://vimeo.com/137028167?utm_source=email&utm_medium=clip-transcode_complete-finished-20120100&utm_campaign=7701&email_id=Y2xpcF90cmFuc2NvZGVkfGYyZGRjZjc1YzMyN2UwYzVkOTUwZGJjNWY3OTEyMDk2NzAzfDc2NDA2NDl8MTQ0MDI4Njk0Nnw3NzAx) > password - owyheeflyer > > I have talked many times about checking my neighbors place for Cows stuck > in his "Pothole" field. Today it paid off. My cost for flying- $3.00, his > savings- $1200.00 Helping a neighbor- priceless. > Larry > > -- > If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending. > > > > [b] > > > -------- > West1m > Hastings, MN > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446303#446303 > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Flying Mark III with no doors.
From: "Dee One" <leblancds(at)cox.net>
Date: Aug 23, 2015
I've taught flying for 20 years out of a Kolb Twister; i.e. completely open cockpit. Currently rebuilding a Mk3. I'm contemplating flying the Mk3 with the doors off via removing the wire on the piano hinges. This should provide more of an open-cockpit experience for the summer months. My question is: What's your experience flying with doors removed from the Mk3? Any adverse handling characteristics besides more drag? Thanks for your feedback. Dee -------- The Past is History The Future is a Mystery Today is a Gift Thats Why They Call it the Present Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446308#446308 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net>
Subject: Step on gear leg?
Date: Aug 23, 2015
Hello Kolb builders and Flyers, I am still working on my Kolbra Prototype rebuild. I have a picture of the plane when the company first built it, and bolted on the right gear leg there in a little step. The plane has tall gear and there is good reason for that step. The step does not look like a one off and has gold finish on it. Travis was never able to figure out where it came from or what happened to it, and I have never found one in a catalog. Has anyone ever seen a bolt on step, that would fit on a Kolb gear leg? Thanks as always, Nick Cassara Palmer, Alaska ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: new video
From: "lownslow" <mnmcouillard(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 23, 2015
what a fun way to help out a neighbor! way to go Larry! love the people on this list; you are a special bunch of folk! lookin' forward to getting my mark 3 flying! Mike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446323#446323 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: new video
Date: Aug 24, 2015
Hi Larry, I remember about 70 years ago when I was in the Boy Scouts. We were camping by the side of a river and a farmer came and asked for our help in extricating a cow. It had fallen down a steep bank into the soft mud on the rivers edge. The whole troop, about 12 of us plus the farmers couple of hands got a rope round the horns and dragged the cow up the bank. It was too exhausted even to get up on its legs. i shall never understand how we rescued the poor thing without pulling its head off. Pat From: Larry Cottrell Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 2:11 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: new video They have to saddle up a couple of horses, ride over there and pull them out. This one was close to the bank, so they could get close enough to it to be able to rope it from horse back. One of the big Cows that I found was so far out, they couldn't get close to it with the horse. So one of the guy's went out and tossed a loop over its head. We ran the winch of my quad out as far as I could, and winched it out of the mud. The ground in that area is full of little artesian wells. If no one finds them they either die in a couple of days or the Coyotes chew on them till they die.This particular cow only had her head showing above the mud. Larry On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 6:59 PM, west1m wrote: What happens? Do the calves just sink in the mud? Keep the videos coming! [quote="lcottrell"]https://vimeo.com/137028167 (https://vimeo.com/137028167?utm_source=email&utm_medium=clip-transco de_complete-finished-20120100&utm_campaign=7701&email_id=Y2xpcF90cmFu c2NvZGVkfGYyZGRjZjc1YzMyN2UwYzVkOTUwZGJjNWY3OTEyMDk2NzAzfDc2NDA2NDl8MTQ0M DI4Njk0Nnw3NzAx) password - owyheeflyer I have talked many times about checking my neighbors place for Cows stuck in his "Pothole" field. Today it paid off. My cost for flying- $3.00, his savings- $1200.00 Helping a neighbor- priceless. Larry -- If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. > [b] -------- West1m Hastings, MN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446303#446303 ========== -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ========== FORUMS - eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com ========== b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Theodore Cowan <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Aug 24, 2015
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/23/15
I have a kolb slingshot. It has an even higher seat. I put a bolt on fold up motorcycle road peg on the gear. Works great. Also have a seven rib firestar completely rebuilt, registered ready to fly. 503. $8500. Ted Cowan. 334-332-3457 Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 24, 2015, at 2:02 AM, Kolb-List Digest Server wrote: > > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Kolb-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Kolb-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 15-08-23&Archive=Kolb > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 15-08-23&Archive=Kolb > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Kolb-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sun 08/23/15: 6 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 03:18 AM - Re: new video (Patrick Ladd) > 2. 05:59 PM - Re: new video (west1m) > 3. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: new video (Larry Cottrell) > 4. 06:53 PM - Flying Mark III with no doors. (Dee One) > 5. 09:06 PM - Step on gear leg? (Nick Cassara) > 6. 11:30 PM - Re: new video (lownslow) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: new video > > Looked a lovely day for flying. Nice one. Pat > > From: Larry Cottrell > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 1:20 AM > Subject: Kolb-List: new video > > https://vimeo.com/137028167 password - owyheeflyer > > I have talked many times about checking my neighbors place for Cows > stuck in his "Pothole" field. Today it paid off. My cost for flying- > $3.00, his savings- $1200.00 Helping a neighbor- priceless. > Larry > > > -- > > If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending. > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: new video > From: "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> > > > What happens? Do the calves just sink in the mud? > > Keep the videos coming! > > > [quote="lcottrell"]https://vimeo.com/137028167 (https://vimeo.com/137028167?utm_source=email&utm_medium=clip-transcode_complete-finished-20120100&utm_campaign=7701&email_id=Y2xpcF90cmFuc2NvZGVkfGYyZGRjZjc1YzMyN2UwYzVkOTUwZGJjNWY3OTEyMDk2NzAzfDc2NDA2NDl8MTQ0MDI4Njk0Nnw3NzAx) > password - owyheeflyer > > I have talked many times about checking my neighbors place for Cows stuck in his > "Pothole" field. Today it paid off. My cost for flying- $3.00, his savings- > $1200.00 Helping a neighbor- priceless. > Larry > > -- > If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before > sending. > > >> [b] > > > -------- > West1m > Hastings, MN > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446303#446303 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: new video > From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> > > They have to saddle up a couple of horses, ride over there and pull them > out. This one was close to the bank, so they could get close enough to it > to be able to rope it from horse back. One of the big Cows that I found was > so far out, they couldn't get close to it with the horse. So one of the > guy's went out and tossed a loop over its head. We ran the winch of my quad > out as far as I could, and winched it out of the mud. > > The ground in that area is full of little artesian wells. If no one finds > them they either die in a couple of days or the Coyotes chew on them till > they die.This particular cow only had her head showing above the mud. > Larry > >> On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 6:59 PM, west1m wrote: >> >> >> What happens? Do the calves just sink in the mud? >> >> Keep the videos coming! >> >> >> [quote="lcottrell"]https://vimeo.com/137028167 ( >> https://vimeo.com/137028167?utm_source=email&utm_medium=clip-transcode_complete-finished-20120100&utm_campaign=7701&email_id=Y2xpcF90cmFuc2NvZGVkfGYyZGRjZjc1YzMyN2UwYzVkOTUwZGJjNWY3OTEyMDk2NzAzfDc2NDA2NDl8MTQ0MDI4Njk0Nnw3NzAx) >> password - owyheeflyer >> >> I have talked many times about checking my neighbors place for Cows stuck >> in his "Pothole" field. Today it paid off. My cost for flying- $3.00, his >> savings- $1200.00 Helping a neighbor- priceless. >> Larry >> >> -- >> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email >> address before sending. >> >> >>> [b] >> >> >> -------- >> West1m >> Hastings, MN >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446303#446303 > > > -- > *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending.* > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ > > > Subject: Kolb-List: Flying Mark III with no doors. > From: "Dee One" <leblancds(at)cox.net> > > > I've taught flying for 20 years out of a Kolb Twister; i.e. completely open cockpit. > Currently rebuilding a Mk3. I'm contemplating flying the Mk3 with the doors > off via removing the wire on the piano hinges. This should provide more of > an open-cockpit experience for the summer months. > > My question is: What's your experience flying with doors removed from the Mk3? > Any adverse handling characteristics besides more drag? Thanks for your feedback. > > Dee > > -------- > The Past is History > The Future is a Mystery > Today is a Gift > Thats Why They Call it the Present > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446308#446308 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ > > > From: Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> > Subject: Kolb-List: Step on gear leg? > > > Hello Kolb builders and Flyers, > > I am still working on my Kolbra Prototype rebuild. I have a picture of the plane > when the company first built it, and bolted on the right gear leg there in a > little step. The plane has tall gear and there is good reason for that step. > The step does not look like a one off and has gold finish on it. Travis was never > able to figure out where it came from or what happened to it, and I have never > found one in a catalog. Has anyone ever seen a bolt on step, that would fit > on a Kolb gear leg? > > Thanks as always, > > Nick Cassara > Palmer, Alaska > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ > > > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: new video > From: "lownslow" <mnmcouillard(at)yahoo.com> > > > what a fun way to help out a neighbor! way to go Larry! love the people on this > list; you are a special bunch of folk! > > lookin' forward to getting my mark 3 flying! > > Mike > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446323#446323 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Flying Mark III with no doors.
From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
Date: Aug 24, 2015
Tried it once, no change in flying characteristics, but the amount of wind drawn through by the shape of the cockpit was incredible. I suggest half doors, which is what I use in the summer. Open cockpit without the wind. It is easy enough to have 2 sets of doors; one set for the winter, one for the summer. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446339#446339 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1040729_small_535.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dee LeBlanc <leblancds(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Flying Mark III with no doors.
Date: Aug 24, 2015
Is this half door of your own design? Do you have a photo? Sounds like a good compromise. Dee LeBlanc leblancds(at)cox.net cell 225-802-1038 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Past is History The Future is a Mystery Today is a Gift That=92s Why They Call it the Present > On Aug 24, 2015, at 9:15 AM, Richard Pike wrote: > > > Tried it once, no change in flying characteristics, but the amount of wind drawn through by the shape of the cockpit was incredible. I suggest half doors, which is what I use in the summer. Open cockpit without the wind. It is easy enough to have 2 sets of doors; one set for the winter, one for the summer. > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > Would you consider yourself to be a good person? > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446339#446339 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1040729_small_535.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Kolb in Hendersonville, NC?
From: "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 25, 2015
Hi, Gang, I'm visiting Hendersonvillle, NC. Last evening, I saw what looked like a Kolb meandering around over Flat Rock, just south of town. I'd like to connect with the owner, and chat about flying around the Blue Ridge Mountains. Does anyone know if there is a Kolb owner in this area? Thanks, Dave Watkins Mk III Pompano Beach, FL 954 608 5423 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446379#446379 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Flying Mark III with no doors.
From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
Date: Aug 25, 2015
They are identical to stock MKIII doors with that back half cut off and the curved back vertical moved forward and reattached with some of the curve taken out. I started with the Lexan extending back further, a straight edge, and kept cutting it away until I could see past it and still not have a lot of wind. Anyway, the top hinged piece extends up 29" from the edge of the fiberglass fairing, the rest of it is just eyeballed to suit, I doubt it is at all critical. I have used these since 1998, replaced the Lexan a couple times as it gets scratched. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446390#446390 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Firefly in Ky getting close...
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2015
Getting close...just two months behind schedule.... Pic resized for Bro Pike . :-) any one know the total length of the engine pull rope for the 447 on a Firefly..? Herb ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 26, 2015
Subject: Re: Firefly in Ky getting close...
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Make it as long as you can get rope on there. That way you will never come up short.:-) Larry On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Herb wrote: > Getting close...just two months behind schedule.... Pic resized for Bro > Pike . :-) > > any one know the total length of the engine pull rope for the 447 on a > Firefly..? Herb > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Firefly in Ky getting close...
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2015
Makes sense! :-) Dollar a foot...trying to get close...:-) Unfolded the wings and was prepared to start the engine for the second time...wings on....forgot to install the pull rope pulley and bring the handle through the hole in the back of the cockpit....:-) Just goes to show...always something!! Herb On 08/26/2015 08:12 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > Make it as long as you can get rope on there. That way you will never > come up short.:-) > Larry > > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Herb > wrote: > > Getting close...just two months behind schedule.... Pic resized > for Bro Pike . :-) > > any one know the total length of the engine pull rope for the > 447 on a Firefly..? Herb > > > -- > /If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending./ > http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Signature text; This the byline area? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Firefly in Ky getting close...
From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
Date: Aug 27, 2015
Years ago I had a Maxair Hummer, the engine was behind the wing, Rotax 277, and the pull handle was mounted alongside the panel, so you could start it from the cockpit while seated. It used 3/32" stainless cable/flying wire. If you go that route, you can put as many feet of it on the reel as you could reasonably want. Just be sure to use regular aircraft pulleys to turn the corners. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446460#446460 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Firefly in Ky getting close...
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Aug 27, 2015
That is a good idea...I have the cable on hand....also have a bunch of aircraft pulleys from years of trading... Off to the garage to have a go at it...Herb On 08/27/2015 10:29 AM, Richard Pike wrote: > > Years ago I had a Maxair Hummer, the engine was behind the wing, Rotax 277, and the pull handle was mounted alongside the panel, so you could start it from the cockpit while seated. It used 3/32" stainless cable/flying wire. If you go that route, you can put as many feet of it on the reel as you could reasonably want. Just be sure to use regular aircraft pulleys to turn the corners. > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > Would you consider yourself to be a good person? > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446460#446460 > > -- Signature text; This the byline area? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Firefly in Ky getting close...
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Aug 27, 2015
Actually, had a bit over 5 feet of pull rope on the pull start so going to try that first.... while the pulley is off..decided to order the belt...Lockwood...35 dollars including shipping for a 10x590 belt...Made my Mitsubishi...or has their name on it...Looks mighty standard to me..so ordered one made by gates from O Reillys..we shall see...9 bucks...Herb On 08/27/2015 10:29 AM, Richard Pike wrote: > > Years ago I had a Maxair Hummer, the engine was behind the wing, Rotax 277, and the pull handle was mounted alongside the panel, so you could start it from the cockpit while seated. It used 3/32" stainless cable/flying wire. If you go that route, you can put as many feet of it on the reel as you could reasonably want. Just be sure to use regular aircraft pulleys to turn the corners. > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > Would you consider yourself to be a good person? > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446460#446460 > > -- Signature text; This the byline area? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dee LeBlanc <leblancds(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Flying Mark III with no doors.
Date: Aug 27, 2015
Thanks Richard, I plan to give it a try. Maybe I=92ll start with old Lexan and trim to my liking for a pattern. Dee LeBlanc leblancds(at)cox.net cell 225-802-1038 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Past is History The Future is a Mystery Today is a Gift That=92s Why They Call it the Present > On Aug 25, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Richard Pike wrote: > > > They are identical to stock MKIII doors with that back half cut off and the curved back vertical moved forward and reattached with some of the curve taken out. I started with the Lexan extending back further, a straight edge, and kept cutting it away until I could see past it and still not have a lot of wind. > > Anyway, the top hinged piece extends up 29" from the edge of the fiberglass fairing, the rest of it is just eyeballed to suit, I doubt it is at all critical. I have used these since 1998, replaced the Lexan a couple times as it gets scratched. > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > Would you consider yourself to be a good person? > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446390#446390 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Flying Mark III with no doors.
From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
Date: Aug 27, 2015
Excellent plan! -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446465#446465 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: second chantz chutes
From: "crankpot" <bobg379(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 28, 2015
Here is an update on the Second Chantz disaster. I downloaded the Forms from the Carson city Nevada small claims court as I begin the process to Sue for recovery of damages. I figure the guy was dead and my best hope was getting a judgment against his estate. Out of the blue, I get a call from a lady named Nadja Verebely. She tells me he is alive and she has been hired to clean up some of this colossal mess he has made and pledges to help. He says via her that I need to return the entire chute to him for repairs, but refuses to send any form of shipping label despite the fact he got me for $1500. Then...all communications abruptly stop. Nadja Verebely stops responding and as has been the past, John Dunham never responds. I repeatedly texted and emailed and telephoned both. Nothing. Still screwed and back on my original mission of suing this prick. SECOND CHANTZ CHUTES. DON'T SEND HIM ANY MONEY! Feel free to call him and bitch him out and ask him why he wont fix my defective chute or respond to any call, or emails. Or why he wont refund my money, or why he needs to use a check cashing store to cash a check. secondchantz.com Bob -------- 1984 kolb ultrstar Former 1997 kolb firestat Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446490#446490 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Hat's off to Turtle lake WI.
From: "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 29, 2015
I went out the other day for the longest distance I have ever done. Nothing like the rest of you, going to Alaska and the like... But for me it was great. I went from New Richmond to Chetek to Rice lake to Cumberland and back to New Richmond. In all a bit over one hundred miles. Yeah yeah, big deal! Any way, had a great time, froze my fanny off on the way to Chetek, where a guy gave me a ride into town where I purchased a sweat shirt. All was well until about Turtle lake when I had a slight wardrobe malfunction... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP9irkNoMTI -------- West1m Hastings, MN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446522#446522 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 29, 2015
Subject: Re: Hat's off to Turtle lake WI.
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Thanks for the video. I laughed as much as you probably did, after you landed and saw the footage. As John Hauck is always saying those long flights were made up of short hops, just like you did that day. I am sure that you are happy with your little bird, it looks like a sweet one. However if you would like to make it more suitable for those long hops, it wouldn't take much. I used to use the short wind screen when I first started, but the wind would hit me just about the top of the head, so I was always worried about my hat, and the wind would make my nose run. I got tired of snot on my glasses, so I bought a full enclosure from Kolb and put it on. Besides giving me about 5 MPH more speed, I was a lot warmer. The wind beating on you while going around the patch is nothing. Multiply that over a hundred miles and your senses are reeling. Oh, if you should decide that you want to get the enclosure, don't use the part that closes off the back, that will negate the additional speed that you gained with the full screen. I made a hot air capture device for my 447 and could fly in temps as low as 50 degrees in a tee shirt. Thanks for the video, Larry On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 2:46 PM, west1m wrote: > > I went out the other day for the longest distance I have ever done. > Nothing like the rest of you, going to Alaska and the like... But for me it > was great. > I went from New Richmond to Chetek to Rice lake to Cumberland and back to > New Richmond. In all a bit over one hundred miles. Yeah yeah, big deal! > Any way, had a great time, froze my fanny off on the way to Chetek, where > a guy gave me a ride into town where I purchased a sweat shirt. All was > well until about Turtle lake when I had a slight wardrobe malfunction... > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP9irkNoMTI > > -------- > West1m > Hastings, MN > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446522#446522 > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Hat's off to Turtle lake WI.
Date: Aug 29, 2015
Congratulations. All cross country flights are made up of legs. To make a long cross country flight takes a few more legs than the short ones. Enjoyed your video. Glad you did not lose your hat or get beat to death with you hoodie draw strings. john h mkIII Prince George, BC, Canada -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of west1m Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 1:46 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Hat's off to Turtle lake WI. I went out the other day for the longest distance I have ever done. Nothing like the rest of you, going to Alaska and the like... But for me it was great. I went from New Richmond to Chetek to Rice lake to Cumberland and back to New Richmond. In all a bit over one hundred miles. Yeah yeah, big deal! Any way, had a great time, froze my fanny off on the way to Chetek, where a guy gave me a ride into town where I purchased a sweat shirt. All was well until about Turtle lake when I had a slight wardrobe malfunction... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP9irkNoMTI -------- West1m Hastings, MN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446522#446522 = Photoshare, and much much more: = = = ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Hat's off to Turtle lake WI.
From: "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 29, 2015
Thanks guys. Larry I would appreciate a picture of your heat device. And Larry, your are the Video King! -------- West1m Hastings, MN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446528#446528 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Orth" <mosurf(at)xplornet.com>
Subject: Re: Hat's off to Turtle lake WI.
Date: Aug 29, 2015
A couple of S/S woodscrews would cure that flying-hat problem. Michael http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso 170120T00&p0=263&m sg=Obama+GTFO ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- -----Original Message----- From: west1m Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 1:46 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Hat's off to Turtle lake WI. I went out the other day for the longest distance I have ever done. Nothing like the rest of you, going to Alaska and the like... But for me it was great. I went from New Richmond to Chetek to Rice lake to Cumberland and back to New Richmond. In all a bit over one hundred miles. Yeah yeah, big deal! Any way, had a great time, froze my fanny off on the way to Chetek, where a guy gave me a ride into town where I purchased a sweat shirt. All was well until about Turtle lake when I had a slight wardrobe malfunction... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP9irkNoMTI -------- West1m Hastings, MN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446522#446522 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 08/29/15 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 29, 2015
Subject: Re: Hat's off to Turtle lake WI.
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
You are lucky, I managed to find the pictures on my wife's computer. The way the heater works is that it captures the hot air coming out of the shroud and is funneled into a scat tube that I ran to the nose pod. In the image- Tools to bend- I used a 1 1/2 or 2 inch chunk of pipe with a thin piece of flat stock welded to the pipe to hold the aluminum that will make up the tube. I drilled a hole in the end to stick a piece of 3/8 rod to give me leverage enough to bend the piece. I left the alum about three inches longer than the opening in the shroud so that I could fit the scat tubing over it. The next picture- tools for flanges- is merely a piece of 2x4 with a kerf cut about 1/2 inch deep is to bend enough of the tubing into a flange so that you can rivet it to the shroud. I then cut a circle that I could close off one end of the tube. In the picture- heater open you can see that I cut out panels so that I could allow all the heat to escape if I didn't need it. I used a push pull cable to activate the door, and I placed that in the cockpit. Once you get it made, put down a strip of high temp silicone sealer and rivet it to the shroud. Even with the back of the enclosure open I was able to fly mine all winter long and still be able to stay pretty comfortable. If any of this is not plain, feel free to ask for clarification. Larry On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 4:04 PM, west1m wrote: > > Thanks guys. Larry I would appreciate a picture of your heat device. > And Larry, your are the Video King! > > -------- > West1m > Hastings, MN > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446528#446528 > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
From: kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Hat's off to Turtle lake WI.
Date: Aug 29, 2015
A staple gun is quicker and easier > On Aug 29, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Michael Orth wrote: > > A couple of S/S woodscrews would cure that flying-hat problem. > > Michael > http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso 170120T00&p0=263&ms g=Obama+GTFO <http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso 170120T00&p0=263&m sg=Obama+GTFO> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > -----Original Message----- > From: west1m > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 1:46 PM > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Hat's off to Turtle lake WI. > > > I went out the other day for the longest distance I have ever done. Nothing like the rest of you, going to Alaska and the like... But for me it was great. > I went from New Richmond to Chetek to Rice lake to Cumberland and back to New Richmond. In all a bit over one hundred miles. Yeah yeah, big deal! > Any way, had a great time, froze my fanny off on the way to Chetek, where a guy gave me a ride into town where I purchased a sweat shirt. All was well until about Turtle lake when I had a slight wardrobe malfunction... > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP9irkNoMTI > > -------- > West1m > Hastings, MN > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446522#446522 > > > > > > > > ============ > Kolb-List Email Forum - > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > ============= sp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - ============= sp; - List Contribution Web Site - sp; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. http://www.matronics.com/contribution ============ > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 08/29/15 > > <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Hat's off to Turtle lake WI.
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Aug 29, 2015
Nice video...nearly Larry quality...:-) Good looking bird too! I agree with having the full enclosure... only way to go...this last Firefly came in at 266 lbs with full enclosure.. Easy to make...from raw stock...The lexan; 1/16th inch cost 40 some bucks at the local plastic outlet...one of the few things that has not gone up in price ... Think I bought 3/4 of a sheet...? The tubing was from stock..The first time I made one...I looked at a picture...then ran some straight edge material from the nose to the approximate area for the top bow..I used 1x1 aluminum angle on both sides...Attached the left side to the frame and attached the other side to the lexan and some simple latches..Works well... Herb On 08/29/2015 04:28 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > Thanks for the video. I laughed as much as you probably did, after you > landed and saw the footage. As John Hauck is always saying those long > flights were made up of short hops, just like you did that day. > > I am sure that you are happy with your little bird, it looks like a > sweet one. However if you would like to make it more suitable for > those long hops, it wouldn't take much. I used to use the short wind > screen when I first started, but the wind would hit me just about the > top of the head, so I was always worried about my hat, and the wind > would make my nose run. I got tired of snot on my glasses, so I bought > a full enclosure from Kolb and put it on. Besides giving me about 5 > MPH more speed, I was a lot warmer. The wind beating on you while > going around the patch is nothing. Multiply that over a hundred miles > and your senses are reeling. > > Oh, if you should decide that you want to get the enclosure, don't use > the part that closes off the back, that will negate the additional > speed that you gained with the full screen. I made a hot air capture > device for my 447 and could fly in temps as low as 50 degrees in a tee > shirt. > > Thanks for the video, > Larry > > On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 2:46 PM, west1m > wrote: > > > > > I went out the other day for the longest distance I have ever > done. Nothing like the rest of you, going to Alaska and the > like... But for me it was great. > I went from New Richmond to Chetek to Rice lake to Cumberland and > back to New Richmond. In all a bit over one hundred miles. Yeah > yeah, big deal! > Any way, had a great time, froze my fanny off on the way to > Chetek, where a guy gave me a ride into town where I purchased a > sweat shirt. All was well until about Turtle lake when I had a > slight wardrobe malfunction... > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP9irkNoMTI > > -------- > West1m > Hastings, MN > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446522#446522 > > > ========== > -List" rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > ========== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > -- > /The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant./ > / > / > /If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending./ > http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Signature text; This the byline area? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Hat's off to Turtle lake WI.
From: "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 29, 2015
Larry, the heater system looks great! I have not heard of "scat tube" before but I can see it on the side of the picture. I tried to look it up on the internet but all I came up with was a ton of porn sites. The enclosed front end sounds like the way to go. It isn't getting any warmer here in Minnesota any time soon. I'll have to look at some picts of that too and see if I can make one. I have seen a few pictures here and there. The staple gun is probably a better way to go, I am kind of clumsy so I would hate to stab my self with a screwdriver trying to use the wood screws. -------- West1m Hastings, MN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446548#446548 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 29, 2015
Subject: Re: Hat's off to Turtle lake WI.
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
LOL, sorry about that. I am having trouble typing still, but I looked up a link for you. Larry http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/scat.php On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 9:28 PM, west1m wrote: > > Larry, the heater system looks great! I have not heard of "scat tube" > before but I can see it on the side of the picture. I tried to look it up > on the internet but all I came up with was a ton of porn sites. > > The enclosed front end sounds like the way to go. It isn't getting any > warmer here in Minnesota any time soon. I'll have to look at some picts of > that too and see if I can make one. I have seen a few pictures here and > there. > > The staple gun is probably a better way to go, I am kind of clumsy so I > would hate to stab my self with a screwdriver trying to use the wood screws. > > -------- > West1m > Hastings, MN > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446548#446548 > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: second chantz chutes
From: "wakataka" <wakataka(at)charter.net>
Date: Aug 29, 2015
I think the name is John Dunham, not Dunlap. He repacked a BRS canister for me about 3 years ago. The bridle was folded wrong and that prevented the cover from fitting on properly. He had tried to stick it on with slilcone. It blew off and went through the prop on the second flight. He promised a replacement cover that never came. Another friend who is very knowledgeable about BRS chutes repacked the bridle for me. The last I saw John was about a year ago and it looked like he might be living in the old van he was traveling in, along with some very ragged female company. I hope he gets past the mid-life crisis he seemed to be going through. Meanwhile, I won't be sending him any more chutes. -------- There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446551#446551 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Hat's off to Turtle lake WI.
From: kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 30, 2015
West, SCAT tubing is well-known and used in nearly all certificated aircraft. Many sizes & styles. Check Aircraft Spruce. > On Aug 29, 2015, at 11:28 PM, west1m wrote: > > > Larry, the heater system looks great! I have not heard of "scat tube" before but I can see it on the side of the picture. I tried to look it up on the internet but all I came up with was a ton of porn sites. > > The enclosed front end sounds like the way to go. It isn't getting any warmer here in Minnesota any time soon. I'll have to look at some picts of that too and see if I can make one. I have seen a few pictures here and there. > > The staple gun is probably a better way to go, I am kind of clumsy so I would hate to stab my self with a screwdriver trying to use the wood screws. > > -------- > West1m > Hastings, MN > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446548#446548 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Paule David <dpaule(at)frii.com>
Subject: Need Photo
Date: Aug 30, 2015
I'm looking for one photo of a Kolb that I can use to illustrate an article in Kitplanes. Ideally this will be of a Firestar or one of the other Kolbs with a single strut per wing. The photo should have lots of pixels and ideally will show the whole airplane with the struts clearly obvious. A front view with a non-distracting background would be perfect. The article will be about the structural analysis of column buckling. Struts are nearly perfect examples of a column that's designed to avoid buckling, and the Kolbs with no jury struts are especially illustrative of the simple idealized case. The article won't reference a Kolb except for this photo and the photo's caption. You'll get credit for the photo but no payment. I've got a photo that I like of the FS II I used to own but it doesn't have enough pixels (it has 1632 x 1232 pixels, definitely need considerably more) and I no longer own that airplane, so I can't take another photo. Thanks! David Paule ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Protective tape
From: "fdeloera" <fdeloera(at)att.net>
Date: Aug 30, 2015
Does anyone know of a protective tape that I can put on the top edges of the side rails of my Firestar? As I work on the plane, the tops of the side rails get all beat-up and dirty. Maybe the tape will help. Thanks in advance, Fred Phoenix -------- Fred Phoenix Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446600#446600 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 30, 2015
Subject: Re: Protective tape
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
You can buy leading edge tape from Spruce I am sure in most sizes. It is rubber based, and really tough. I however took a thin piece of alum. beat it into a U over a like sized rod, placed it over the tubing and used a hammer to finish the bends around the rod. Larry On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 9:06 PM, fdeloera wrote: > > Does anyone know of a protective tape that I can put on the top edges of > the side rails of my Firestar? As I work on the plane, the tops of the side > rails get all beat-up and dirty. Maybe the tape will help. > > Thanks in advance, > > Fred > Phoenix > > -------- > Fred > Phoenix > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446600#446600 > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Protective tape
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Aug 31, 2015
I used the same book binding tape that is used as aileron gap seal... Herb On 08/30/2015 10:06 PM, fdeloera wrote: > > Does anyone know of a protective tape that I can put on the top edges of the side rails of my Firestar? As I work on the plane, the tops of the side rails get all beat-up and dirty. Maybe the tape will help. > > Thanks in advance, > > Fred > Phoenix > > -------- > Fred > Phoenix > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446600#446600 > > -- Signature text; This the byline area? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Protective tape
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 31, 2015
I used PVC tubing from Home Depot. Split it down the middle with a band saw then riveted it to the top of the tubes. Very light and has worked great so far. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446615#446615 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Protective tape
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Aug 31, 2015
All of these suggestions are good...but for simplicity and long lasting and cheap..the book binding tape stays put...but will show the dirt on the fabric ! On 08/31/2015 09:44 AM, Rex Rodebush wrote: > > I used PVC tubing from Home Depot. Split it down the middle with a band saw then riveted it to the top of the tubes. Very light and has worked great so far. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446615#446615 > > -- Signature text; This the byline area? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Aileron Gap Seals
From: "Shadow94" <seanote(at)echoes.net>
Date: Aug 31, 2015
Starting to plan ahead for sealing the aileron gaps and was hoping a few of my fellow Kolbers might be able and willing to share some photos of gap sealing methods. Preferably ones that work the best for them. -------- Mark Twinstar MKII Great Bend, PA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446620#446620 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron Gap Seals
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 31, 2015
Use the search engine and find a post by Ray Baker in December of 2000. It gives a detailed procedure that I found works well. You'll need a buddy to help. Its almost impossible for one person to work with the sticky tape and do a nice job. (for me anyway) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446621#446621 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron Gap Seals
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Aug 31, 2015
book binding tape ....works well and can be done by one person...though two work better... think I am on a book binding tape trip this morning..Herb On 08/31/2015 12:03 PM, Rex Rodebush wrote: > > Use the search engine and find a post by Ray Baker in December of 2000. It gives a detailed procedure that I found works well. You'll need a buddy to help. Its almost impossible for one person to work with the sticky tape and do a nice job. (for me anyway) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446621#446621 > > -- Signature text; This the byline area? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 31, 2015
From: mojavjoe(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Aileron Gap Seals
On my firestar I use piano hinge (in two pieces side by side) the length of the aileron. mojavjoe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shadow94" <seanote(at)echoes.net> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 12:32:17 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Aileron Gap Seals Starting to plan ahead for sealing the aileron gaps and was hoping a few of my fellow Kolbers might be able and willing to share some photos of gap se aling methods. =C2-Preferably ones that work the best for them. -------- Mark Twinstar MKII Great Bend, PA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446620#446620 =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net>
Subject: runway question
Date: Aug 31, 2015
Guys, Do (have) any of you flown off of a runway that sloped from one side to the other? What affect if any does it have on your flying technique? There is a place at a friend's house that parallels a fence. It is about 50' wide and apparently slopes from side to side away from the fence. The drop off is 12" to 18". With the narrow gear of a Firefly, would I even notice it? Thanks, Stuart ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: runway question
From: "Larlaeb" <larlaeb(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 31, 2015
I land on the beach which I think has more slope than that (18" over 50') and I don't seem to have any problem. I either land with a slight bank already on or land on one wheel and let the other down easy depending on the wind. Thanks, Allan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446638#446638 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Need Photo
Date: Aug 31, 2015
David P/Kolbers: I have a 1992 Kolb MKIII. Fuselage was built in January 1991. My plans call for jury struts. Wasn't going to put jury struts on the MKIII. I didn't have jury struts on my Ultrastar or Firestar. While working on my MKIII at the Kolb Aircraft Factory, January 1991,Homer Kolb asked me to install jury struts. His reasoning was if I put them on mine, maybe others would install them on their MKIII. He even donated streamlined 4130, although the plans call for 6061 tubing. Interesting to note, none of the factory MKIII's ever had jury struts installed. 1 July 2000, I broke the gear leg/axle socket off the left side of my MKIII while shooting a landing in an extremely rough gravel (rock) airstrip near Mucho Lake, BC. The left wing dropped catching the left lift strut on top of the left wheel, just about under the jury strut. No damage to the lift strut. Had I not had the jury strut, the lift strut would have failed by getting knocked out of column and in compression. I don't know of anyone else ever installing lift struts on the MKIII or any other Kolb model. There may be some out there, but I haven't run across them. I'm including some photos of Miss P'fer, with jury struts, for info only. john h mkIII Omak, WA -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paule David Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 1:54 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Need Photo I'm looking for one photo of a Kolb that I can use to illustrate an article in Kitplanes. Ideally this will be of a Firestar or one of the other Kolbs with a single strut per wing. The photo should have lots of pixels and ideally will show the whole airplane with the struts clearly obvious. A front view with a non-distracting background would be perfect. The article will be about the structural analysis of column buckling. Struts are nearly perfect examples of a column that's designed to avoid buckling, and the Kolbs with no jury struts are especially illustrative of the simple idealized case. The article won't reference a Kolb except for this photo and the photo's caption. You'll get credit for the photo but no payment. I've got a photo that I like of the FS II I used to own but it doesn't have enough pixels (it has 1632 x 1232 pixels, definitely need considerably more) and I no longer own that airplane, so I can't take another photo. Thanks! David Paule = Photoshare, and much much more: = = = ________________________________________________________________________________
From: McCarthy Tom <mccarthy(at)jefnet.com>
Subject: HKS to 912 Slingshot
Date: Sep 01, 2015
I have not posted for some time, but read the list fairly regularly. After a little over 5 years and 203 hours, the HKS 700E was removed and I am now in the process of installing the 912 UL on my Slingshot. I was very pleased with the HKS, but thought it lacked the climb I was used to in my previous Kolb planes. I was able to sell the motor on Barnstormers in one day with many other takers in waiting. I have been collecting the necessary parts over the past 3 years for the changeover, and thanks to Brian's help at EAA, the last of the expensive stuff was acquired. Additional thanks should go out to Daryl at Warp drive, it is a pleasure to deal with these companies that have customer skills that equal the excellent products they sell. I have a used Titan exhaust and am surprised that it was not pre drilled for the EGT probes, any insight would be appreciated. Tom McCarthy Slingshot N863GB 912 UL Zenith 601HD N514TM 912 UL ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Aileron Gap Seals
Date: Sep 01, 2015
The best method for durability is the same procedure outlined in old Kolb Aircraft instruction manuals. Tape is temporary. I have an aileron gap seal that is 23 years old and 3,300.0+ hours. Another that is 15 years old and I don't know how many hours on that one. Both are showing some age, but still serviceable. This system is more work intensive than tape, but looks and performs the best, in my humble opinion. john h mkIII Omak, WA -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shadow94 Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 10:32 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Aileron Gap Seals Starting to plan ahead for sealing the aileron gaps and was hoping a few of my fellow Kolbers might be able and willing to share some photos of gap sealing methods. Preferably ones that work the best for them. -------- Mark Twinstar MKII Great Bend, PA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446620#446620 = Photoshare, and much much more: = = = ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron Gap Seals
From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
Date: Sep 01, 2015
What John said. Here is what Stits fabric gap seals look like after 20 years. The area within the prop arc is starting to crack on one aileron, will be a simple repair. This winter. Not a priority. Everything else is still OK. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446666#446666 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1040741_small_130.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1040743_small_739.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1040742_small_684.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: HKS to 912 Slingshot
Date: Sep 01, 2015
I have had 912 series engines. Never had an EGT. Never needed and EGT. Put a few hours on all of them. john h mkIII Omak, WA -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of McCarthy Tom Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 6:33 AM Subject: Kolb-List: HKS to 912 Slingshot I have not posted for some time, but read the list fairly regularly. After a little over 5 years and 203 hours, the HKS 700E was removed and I am now in the process of installing the 912 UL on my Slingshot. I was very pleased with the HKS, but thought it lacked the climb I was used to in my previous Kolb planes. I was able to sell the motor on Barnstormers in one day with many other takers in waiting. I have been collecting the necessary parts over the past 3 years for the changeover, and thanks to Brian's help at EAA, the last of the expensive stuff was acquired. Additional thanks should go out to Daryl at Warp drive, it is a pleasure to deal with these companies that have customer skills that equal the excellent products they sell. I have a used Titan exhaust and am surprised that it was not pre drilled for the EGT probes, any insight would be appreciated. Tom McCarthy Slingshot N863GB 912 UL Zenith 601HD N514TM 912 UL = Photoshare, and much much more: = = = ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: HKS to 912 Slingshot
Date: Sep 01, 2015
Meant to say, "I have had three 912.............. Sorry about that. Getting old is Hell. ;-) john h -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 4:22 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: HKS to 912 Slingshot I have had 912 series engines. Never had an EGT. Never needed and EGT. Put a few hours on all of them. john h mkIII Omak, WA -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of McCarthy Tom Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 6:33 AM Subject: Kolb-List: HKS to 912 Slingshot I have not posted for some time, but read the list fairly regularly. After a little over 5 years and 203 hours, the HKS 700E was removed and I am now in the process of installing the 912 UL on my Slingshot. I was very pleased with the HKS, but thought it lacked the climb I was used to in my previous Kolb planes. I was able to sell the motor on Barnstormers in one day with many other takers in waiting. I have been collecting the necessary parts over the past 3 years for the changeover, and thanks to Brian's help at EAA, the last of the expensive stuff was acquired. Additional thanks should go out to Daryl at Warp drive, it is a pleasure to deal with these companies that have customer skills that equal the excellent products they sell. I have a used Titan exhaust and am surprised that it was not pre drilled for the EGT probes, any insight would be appreciated. Tom McCarthy Slingshot N863GB 912 UL Zenith 601HD N514TM 912 UL = Photoshare, and much much more: = = = = Photoshare, and much much more: = = = ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 08/31/15
Date: Sep 02, 2015
> Does anyone know of a protective tape that I can put on the top edges > of the side rails To protect the paint on some exposed areas of my recumbent bike I use a heavy aluminum tape with adhesive on one side. I think air conditioner guys use it. I had a roll from building a pre-fab metal shed. Cut off the requisite length, round the corners with scissors, apply, then fly. Good stuff but not as tuff as PVC pipe idea, ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <andysheila(at)eltopia.com>
Subject: Re: HKS to 912 Slingshot
Date: Sep 02, 2015
Hey John, I see you are in Omak headed south. Stop by on your way through. We are only 2 miles off of Hwy 17 near Mesa. We would like to see ya'll! Just let us know. Andy -----Original Message----- From: John Hauck Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 3:21 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: HKS to 912 Slingshot I have had 912 series engines. Never had an EGT. Never needed and EGT. Put a few hours on all of them. john h mkIII Omak, WA -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of McCarthy Tom Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 6:33 AM Subject: Kolb-List: HKS to 912 Slingshot I have not posted for some time, but read the list fairly regularly. After a little over 5 years and 203 hours, the HKS 700E was removed and I am now in the process of installing the 912 UL on my Slingshot. I was very pleased with the HKS, but thought it lacked the climb I was used to in my previous Kolb planes. I was able to sell the motor on Barnstormers in one day with many other takers in waiting. I have been collecting the necessary parts over the past 3 years for the changeover, and thanks to Brian's help at EAA, the last of the expensive stuff was acquired. Additional thanks should go out to Daryl at Warp drive, it is a pleasure to deal with these companies that have customer skills that equal the excellent products they sell. I have a used Titan exhaust and am surprised that it was not pre drilled for the EGT probes, any insight would be appreciated. Tom McCarthy Slingshot N863GB 912 UL Zenith 601HD N514TM 912 UL = Photoshare, and much much more: = = = ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <andysheila(at)eltopia.com>
Subject: Re: HKS to 912 Slingshot
Date: Sep 02, 2015
Once again, John, In my invite I neglected to mention my Kolb Firestar II/ HKS 912 project is near ready for inspection. Would like to have your "critique". Hope you will stop by. Andy -----Original Message----- From: John Hauck Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 3:21 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: HKS to 912 Slingshot I have had 912 series engines. Never had an EGT. Never needed and EGT. Put a few hours on all of them. john h mkIII Omak, WA -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of McCarthy Tom Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 6:33 AM Subject: Kolb-List: HKS to 912 Slingshot I have not posted for some time, but read the list fairly regularly. After a little over 5 years and 203 hours, the HKS 700E was removed and I am now in the process of installing the 912 UL on my Slingshot. I was very pleased with the HKS, but thought it lacked the climb I was used to in my previous Kolb planes. I was able to sell the motor on Barnstormers in one day with many other takers in waiting. I have been collecting the necessary parts over the past 3 years for the changeover, and thanks to Brian's help at EAA, the last of the expensive stuff was acquired. Additional thanks should go out to Daryl at Warp drive, it is a pleasure to deal with these companies that have customer skills that equal the excellent products they sell. I have a used Titan exhaust and am surprised that it was not pre drilled for the EGT probes, any insight would be appreciated. Tom McCarthy Slingshot N863GB 912 UL Zenith 601HD N514TM 912 UL = Photoshare, and much much more: = = = ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Theodore Cowan <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Angle of engine
Date: Sep 03, 2015
To explain my comment on raising the rear of the engine on slingshots I offer this: They changed the angle of attack on the slingshot from the norm of 12 degrees AOA to 9 degrees. As you added speed to the kolbs the tail kept climbing up until it was almost tipping over in the air. It creates its own drag. You could change a few things and still never keep it level. However, the kolb is designed to stay level in flight throughout the speed cycle. Somehow they missed the fact the engine mounts were not in the proper line with the fuse. You MUST raise the rear of the engine to keep the prop more aligned to the flightline of the aircraft or the motor actually pushes the craft over onto its nose - in flight and on the ground. The slingshot is the only one to have this extreme problem. Without modification the engine looks as if it is falling backwards and the thrust pushes the craft over. I suppose there will be a doubting Thomas out there. The drag induced by this setup is extreme. I reversed the lord mounts so the rear were up and the front mounts were down and added a 3/8 inch shim (kolb supplied) on top of the mount in the rear. Spent many hours with my 582 and then again with the 912 correcting this flaw in the design of the SS. There is no bungie in the world that will straighten your flight as the cure I just mentioned. Trust me on this. I would be happy to discuss this off line with anyone. Email me and i will call you. If you have never flown a slingshot you will not understand this. The 'New kolb company' knew this. The short tail boom really makes it stand out. I almost never have to change el trim in flight up to 95 mph. Faster requires a little effort on the stick. Hope this helps anyone out there with a slingshot they are fighting with for trim. Ted cowan slingshot 900hrs 912ul zoom zoom By the way, 85 to 95 is normal cruse for this combination at abt 3.4 gph!!! Sent from my iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Angle of engine
Date: Sep 03, 2015
I didn't understand what you meant by "heavy stick". Thanks for the info. john h mkIII Wenatchee, WA -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Theodore Cowan Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:08 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Angle of engine To explain my comment on raising the rear of the engine on slingshots I offer this: They changed the angle of attack on the slingshot from the norm of 12 degrees AOA to 9 degrees. As you added speed to the kolbs the tail kept climbing up until it was almost tipping over in the air. It creates its own drag. You could change a few things and still never keep it level. However, the kolb is designed to stay level in flight throughout the speed cycle. Somehow they missed the fact the engine mounts were not in the proper line with the fuse. You MUST raise the rear of the engine to keep the prop more aligned to the flightline of the aircraft or the motor actually pushes the craft over onto its nose - in flight and on the ground. The slingshot is the only one to have this extreme problem. Without modification the engine looks as if it is falling backwards and the thrust pushes the craft over. I suppose there will be a doubting Thomas out there. The drag induced by this se! tup is extreme. I reversed the lord mounts so the rear were up and the front mounts were down and added a 3/8 inch shim (kolb supplied) on top of the mount in the rear. Spent many hours with my 582 and then again with the 912 correcting this flaw in the design of the SS. There is no bungie in the world that will straighten your flight as the cure I just mentioned. Trust me on this. I would be happy to discuss this off line with anyone. Email me and i will call you. If you have never flown a slingshot you will not understand this. The 'New kolb company' knew this. The short tail boom really makes it stand out. I almost never have to change el trim in flight up to 95 mph. Faster requires a little effort on the stick. Hope this helps anyone out there with a slingshot they are fighting with for trim. Ted cowan slingshot 900hrs 912ul zoom zoom By the way, 85 to 95 is normal cruse for this combination at abt 3.4 gph!!! Sent from my iPhone = Photoshare, and much much more: = = = ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron Gap Seals
From: "Shadow94" <seanote(at)echoes.net>
Date: Sep 03, 2015
Richard, Thanks for the photos. I appears that the gap seals are attached to the bottom of both the wing and the aileron with a bit of slack to account for aileron movement. I assume the are constructed out of the same covering as the wing and aileron. thanks again for the input. -------- Mark Twinstar MKII Great Bend, PA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446739#446739 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Aileron Gap Seals
Date: Sep 03, 2015
Realize the post was addressed to Richard only. Hope it will be permissible to share a response. Unless I am badly mistaken, 3" finishing tape is used for the gap seals. The original Kolb Aircraft construction manuals have some very good information (tricks of the trade) for installing and finishing gap seals. I'm not at home or I would attach those instructions to this post. john h mkIII Wenatchee, WA -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shadow94 Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 9:49 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron Gap Seals Richard, Thanks for the photos. I appears that the gap seals are attached to the bottom of both the wing and the aileron with a bit of slack to account for aileron movement. I assume the are constructed out of the same covering as the wing and aileron. thanks again for the input. -------- Mark Twinstar MKII Great Bend, PA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446739#446739 = Photoshare, and much much more: = = = ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron Gap Seals
From: "Shadow94" <seanote(at)echoes.net>
Date: Sep 04, 2015
John, no permission needed great input and help is always welcome. I will review my build manual and details but when you are able if you would forward your info that would be much appreciated. I can't wait to post some progress photos. -------- Mark Twinstar MKII Great Bend, PA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446781#446781 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Aileron Gap Seals
Date: Sep 04, 2015
Remind me when I get home next month. john h Wenatchee, WA -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shadow94 Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 4:05 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron Gap Seals John, no permission needed great input and help is always welcome. I will review my build manual and details but when you are able if you would forward your info that would be much appreciated. I can't wait to post some progress photos. -------- Mark Twinstar MKII Great Bend, PA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446781#446781 = Photoshare, and much much more: = = = ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron Gap Seals
From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
Date: Sep 05, 2015
John; your memory serves you well. It was in the Firestar book, since we still have 10 minutes before dove season opens, I went ahead and scanned it and saved you the trouble. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446825#446825 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img152_medium_199.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img153_medium_101.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net>
Subject: Caulking Tube ends...?
Date: Sep 08, 2015
Hello All, On the Kolb U-Tube building instructions they seal the rib ends with some type of caulking. Why? Thanks, Nick Cassara Palmer, Alaska ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Caulking Tube ends...?
Date: Sep 08, 2015
Hi Nick: Being at the Rock House I finally have reliable WIFI for the first time in two months. BTW, Kolbers, passing through Palmer, Alaska, a few weeks ago, I got to meet Nick Cassara at the airport. He is doing a fine job of rejuvenating and modifying the original Kolb Kolbra, New Kolb Aircraft's prototype. Wish Nell and I could have spent more time with Nick. While passing south through Mesa, Washington, Nell and I spent the day with Andy and Sheila Slinkard. Andy is an old home builder and recently completed an HKS powered FS II. Got to take a real close look at the FS and Andy's work. He is a real craftsman. Reference caulking rib tube ends, I have never seen this in any Kolb manual. I, personally, would not want to plug them. I see no reason to. Down side might be a good place to trap moisture/condensation. I don't recommend doing that. Good to be back in the Lower 48. Another BTW. The annual Rock House Kolb Flyin will be the end of the week, starting this Friday. Just because it is a Kolb Flyin doesn't make it a Kolb only flyin. All aircraft and Kolb enthusiasts are welcome. This is the 11th Annual Rock House Kolb Flyin. Actually, the first was on the Alvord Desert in 2005. Larry and Karen Cottrell, two dogs, a cat, a parakeet, a Peregrine Falcon, a Kolb FS, and a motor home, were waiting for me (MKIII), John Williamson (Kolbra), and Gary Haley (MKIII), at a set of GPS coordinates right where they were supposed to be. The three of us flew up to the Alvord after the Unplanned/Unorganized Kolb Flyin, Monument Valley, Utah. Some great memories from these experiences. john h mkIII Rock House, 7 miles south of Burns Junction, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Cassara Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 5:09 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Caulking Tube ends...? Hello All, On the Kolb U-Tube building instructions they seal the rib ends with some type of caulking. Why? Thanks, Nick Cassara Palmer, Alaska = Photoshare, and much much more: = = = ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Caulking Tube ends...?
From: "Ducati SS" <hiwingflyer6219(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 09, 2015
Because the rib ends are open to the inside of the wing after covering I suspect there is some concern that debris created during fabric riveting or later repair will find there way inside the wing. Any debris would likely, due to flexing and vibration find its way between the structure and fabric. I guess each builder would have to decide which is the bigger risk, moisture or debris. Perhaps covering the ends with something porous such as fine nylon mesh would work. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446910#446910 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Caulking Tube ends...?
Date: Sep 09, 2015
I use high pressure air to blow out pop rivet mandrel ends and drill chips. This usually cleans them up pretty good. I remember the first wings I built I did not do that. Ended up with this debris wondering around loose inside the wing. john h mkIII Rock House, OR -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ducati SS Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 3:43 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Caulking Tube ends...? Because the rib ends are open to the inside of the wing after covering I suspect there is some concern that debris created during fabric riveting or later repair will find there way inside the wing. Any debris would likely, due to flexing and vibration find its way between the structure and fabric. I guess each builder would have to decide which is the bigger risk, moisture or debris. Perhaps covering the ends with something porous such as fine nylon mesh would work. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446910#446910 = Photoshare, and much much more: = = = ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jerry Scrabeck" <skrabekk(at)charter.net>
Subject: tube caulk
Date: Sep 09, 2015
I believe the reason for caulking the rib tube ends is to prevent rivet hole drillings& chips and rivet ball ends from vibrating down to the leading edge of the wing where they get stuck between the fabric and leading edge tube.They will eventually cut through the fabric. Drilling the holes before covering with the fabric will make this unnecessary Jerry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 11, 2015
Subject: Re: tube caulk
You are right. Drilling the holes first would eliminate the chips, but some of the rivet ball ends would still be dropping out. Also, after the fabric is on, the fittings that support the folded wings need to be attached, and those rivet ball ends also have a chance to drop out and roll around inside the wing. I read once that Pazmany used epoxy on the ends of the rivets and that may hold the ball ends in place, but he did say it was a sticky mess to deal with. Bill Varnes FireStar Audubon, NJ In a message dated 9/9/2015 11:07:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, skrabekk(at)charter.net writes: I believe the reason for caulking the rib tube ends is to prevent rivet hole drillings& chips and rivet ball ends from vibrating down to the leading edge of the wing where they get stuck between the fabric and leading edge tube.They will eventually cut through the fabric. Drilling the holes before covering with the fabric will make this unnecessary Jerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Firefly Lift Struts
From: Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Sep 14, 2015
I built a set of new wings for my First Firefly...used 5" H sections as is used on the Firestar... Now I have a set of wings...built , covered and painted...and am wondering if anyone has built single lift struts in place of the dual ones? I have streamlined material to cover them with... Thinking that a cro molly tube with the same fittings as the Firestar would work for the fuselage end and some sort of "T" for the wing end...That is...the lift strut would resemble a "T" with the lift strut welded to a cross piece of cromolly...and a long bolt would go through the tangs and the cross tube on the lift strut... anyone ever seen this done? Wondering what size cro molly tube would be required... ? As to the Firefly..finally got some color on the wings...and next and last is to add some color to the fuselage..ala the Factory Paint job... Herb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 09/14/15
Date: Sep 15, 2015
Now I have a set of wings...built , covered and painted...and am wondering if anyone has built single lift struts in place of the dual ones? I have streamlined material to cover them with... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going from memory here, use this information as a starting place for your research. as I remember the firefly paperwork that I read mentioned that the 2 struts was necessary to keep the plane within the speed requirements of part 103. I dont know how the struts mount,,, but I would think a T would not be as robust as something that is triangulated, also I have no information on the torsion loads on the wing.... if they are using the 2 struts to help handle the torsion loads of the wing a tee would eliminate that support and the wing could be unstable. and any twisting on the T would cause metal fatigue and possible failure. unless you are smarter than the designer... my opinion would be to stay with a proven design.... boyd --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: firefly behind schedule...
From: Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Sep 15, 2015
Color on the wings yesterday...fuselage today...ran engine for abt an hour... top rpm's were 5400...with the 60" two blade warp set at 32 inch pitch... I will try 30 tomorrow... sorry Bro. Pike for the large pic....too tired to resize...:-) Herb Ps...forgot that I need to install the velcro for the wing center section!!!! always something..!! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Firefly Lift Struts
From: Dave Kulp <undoctor(at)rcn.com>
Date: Sep 15, 2015
Herb, Don Gheridini built the FlagFly with single struts. The strut was faired like the shape of a wing with inserts at each end. Of course the lower was a single pin and the upper fit inside both wing receivers for a total of 3 safety pins per wing. It was probably stronger than the original and not only reduced the drag component due to half the struts, but the shape of the strut as well. With the full windscreen and the single struts, as well as extra polyester to form almost a full enclosure, I would cruise at about 68 mph at 5400 RPMs. Attached is a pic where you can see how it looked on each side. Hope this helps. Dave Kulp Bethlehem, PA On 9/14/2015 10:03 PM, Herb wrote: > > > I built a set of new wings for my First Firefly...used 5" H sections > as is used on the Firestar... > > Now I have a set of wings...built , covered and painted...and am > wondering if anyone has built single lift struts in place of the dual > ones? I have streamlined material to cover them with... > > Thinking that a cro molly tube with the same fittings as the > Firestar would work for the fuselage end and some sort of "T" for the > wing end...That is...the lift strut would resemble a "T" with the > lift strut welded to a cross piece of cromolly...and a long bolt > would go through the tangs and the cross tube on the lift strut... > > anyone ever seen this done? Wondering what size cro molly tube > would be required... ? > > As to the Firefly..finally got some color on the wings...and next > and last is to add some color to the fuselage..ala the Factory Paint > job... Herb > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Firefly Lift Struts
From: Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Sep 15, 2015
Very close to my idea...thanks.... I would use cro molly tubing with a streamlined pvc strut covering, which I have ...The lower attach point would be the same as now..but modified just a bit...to accept the single strut... or could use the crushed tube per other Kolbs... Should be as strong if not stronger...as you say...I do not see any danger of twisting moments creating fatigue on the tangs...Herb On 09/15/2015 02:01 PM, Dave Kulp wrote: > Herb, > > Don Gheridini built the FlagFly with single struts. The strut was > faired like the shape of a wing with inserts at each end. Of course > the lower was a single pin and the upper fit inside both wing > receivers for a total of 3 safety pins per wing. It was probably > stronger than the original and not only reduced the drag component due > to half the struts, but the shape of the strut as well. With the full > windscreen and the single struts, as well as extra polyester to form > almost a full enclosure, I would cruise at about 68 mph at 5400 RPMs. > Attached is a pic where you can see how it looked on each side. > > Hope this helps. > > Dave Kulp > Bethlehem, PA > > On 9/14/2015 10:03 PM, Herb wrote: >> >> >> >> I built a set of new wings for my First Firefly...used 5" H sections >> as is used on the Firestar... >> >> Now I have a set of wings...built , covered and painted...and am >> wondering if anyone has built single lift struts in place of the dual >> ones? I have streamlined material to cover them with... >> >> Thinking that a cro molly tube with the same fittings as the >> Firestar would work for the fuselage end and some sort of "T" for the >> wing end...That is...the lift strut would resemble a "T" with the >> lift strut welded to a cross piece of cromolly...and a long bolt >> would go through the tangs and the cross tube on the lift strut... >> >> anyone ever seen this done? Wondering what size cro molly tube >> would be required... ? >> >> As to the Firefly..finally got some color on the wings...and next >> and last is to add some color to the fuselage..ala the Factory Paint >> job... Herb >> >> >> >> > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: firefly behind schedule...
Date: Sep 16, 2015
Very pretty. i would say that as it is more or less as I had my Xtra painted except that I had a zig-zag flash in red running just below and up behind the the canopy. Pat -----Original Message----- From: Herb Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:29 PM Subject: Kolb-List: firefly behind schedule... Color on the wings yesterday...fuselage today...ran engine for abt an hour... top rpm's were 5400...with the 60" two blade warp set at 32 inch pitch... I will try 30 tomorrow... sorry Bro. Pike for the large pic....too tired to resize...:-) Herb Ps...forgot that I need to install the velcro for the wing center section!!!! always something..!! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: firefly behind schedule...
From: Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Sep 16, 2015
Thanks Pat My MKIII classic was all white...and my painting skills have not improved . I managed to get the left side of the Fuselage taped and painted yesterday...Hope to have the right side done by evening...but Golf is on the menu this morning... Have my airstrip mowed and at the ready...but think I should find a much longer runway for initial testing... :-) I have flown all my builds from my shorter 700 foot strip...The 1300 strip is very bumpy...a hay field esentially... Dialed in the Warp drive prop to bring the rpm's up to 6k...gonna leave it there for now..Sure wish I had a three blade IVO...much easier to dial in...and certainly smoother.. I could likely go a zig zag with two or three rum and cokes! :-) By the way...watched , as I may have said, the BBC story of the Spitfire...Wondering if there is only one two seater left in England? Herb On 09/16/2015 03:38 AM, Patrick Ladd wrote: > > Very pretty. > i would say that as it is more or less as I had my Xtra painted > except that I had a zig-zag flash in red running just below and up > behind the the canopy. Pat > > -----Original Message----- From: Herb > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:29 PM > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: firefly behind schedule... > > > Color on the wings yesterday...fuselage today...ran engine for abt an > hour... > > top rpm's were 5400...with the 60" two blade warp set at 32 inch > pitch... I will try 30 tomorrow... > > sorry Bro. Pike for the large pic....too tired to resize...:-) Herb > > Ps...forgot that I need to install the velcro for the wing center > section!!!! always something..!! > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 16, 2015
From: keith coddington <kac_86(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: firefly behind schedule...
=C2-good strip in central pa, 3000',grass in center hall just east of sta te college pa. open to public, i got older firestar there =C2- =C2- =C2 - =C2-good luck , keith On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 8:49 AM, Herb wrote : Thanks Pat =C2- My MKIII classic was all white...and my painting skills have not improved .=C2- I managed to get=C2- the left side of the Fuselage taped and painted yesterday...Hope to have the right side done by evening...but Golf is on the menu this morning... =C2- =C2- Have my airstrip mowed and at the ready...but think I should find a much longer runway for initial testing... :-)=C2- I have flown all my builds from my shorter 700 foot strip...The 1300 strip is very bumpy...a hay field esentially... =C2- =C2- Dialed in the Warp drive prop to bring the rpm's up to 6k...g onna leave it there for now..Sure wish I had a three blade IVO...much easier to dial in...and certainly smoother.. =C2- =C2- I could likely go a zig zag with two or three rum and cokes! :-) =C2- =C2- By the way...watched , as I may have said, the BBC story of t he Spitfire...Wondering if there is only one two seater left in England?=C2- Herb On 09/16/2015 03:38 AM, Patrick Ladd wrote: > > Very pretty. > i would say that as=C2- it is more or less as I had my Xtra painted > except that I had a zig-zag flash in red running just below and up=C2- > behind the=C2- the canopy. Pat > > -----Original Message----- From: Herb > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:29 PM > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: firefly behind schedule... > > > Color on the wings yesterday...fuselage today...ran engine for abt an > hour... > >=C2- top rpm's were 5400...with the 60"=C2- two blade warp set at 32 i nch > pitch... I will try 30 tomorrow... > >=C2- sorry Bro. Pike for the large pic....too tired to resize...:-) Herb > >=C2- Ps...forgot that I need to install the velcro for the wing center > section!!!!=C2- always something..!! > > S - - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: firefly behind schedule...
From: Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Sep 16, 2015
Hold the gate open...I will be there! :-) Going to trailer the Fly to Lafayette Tenn..airport...just 15 miles away... My next build, thanks to Bro. Pike and Jerry? Larry? Kingsport and Chattanooga area respectively.. (how soon we forget) :-) is a Firestar...I have the wings and tail feathers and dibs on a fuselage...447 engine in hand...plan to use a belt drive if I can manage a decent thrust line... Plan to use different landing gear also.. Herb On 09/16/2015 10:15 AM, keith coddington wrote: > good strip in central pa, 3000',grass in center hall just east of > state college pa. open to public, i got older firestar there > good luck , keith > > > On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 8:49 AM, Herb wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Pat > > My MKIII classic was all white...and my painting skills have not > improved . I managed to get the left side of the Fuselage taped and > painted yesterday...Hope to have the right side done by evening...but > Golf is on the menu this morning... > > Have my airstrip mowed and at the ready...but think I should find a > much longer runway for initial testing... :-) I have flown all my > builds from my shorter 700 foot strip...The 1300 strip is very bumpy...a > hay field esentially... > > Dialed in the Warp drive prop to bring the rpm's up to 6k...gonna > leave it there for now..Sure wish I had a three blade IVO...much easier > to dial in...and certainly smoother.. > > I could likely go a zig zag with two or three rum and cokes! :-) > > By the way...watched , as I may have said, the BBC story of the > Spitfire...Wondering if there is only one two seater left in England? > Herb > > On 09/16/2015 03:38 AM, Patrick Ladd wrote: > > > > > > Very pretty. > > i would say that as it is more or less as I had my Xtra painted > > except that I had a zig-zag flash in red running just below and up > > behind the the canopy. Pat > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Herb > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:29 PM > > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: Kolb-List: firefly behind schedule... > > > > > > > > Color on the wings yesterday...fuselage today...ran engine for abt an > > hour... > > > > top rpm's were 5400...with the 60" two blade warp set at 32 inch > > pitch... I will try 30 tomorrow... > > > > sorry Bro. Pike for the large pic....too tired to resize...:-) Herb > > > > Ps...forgot that I need to install the velcro for the wing center > > section!!!! alwattp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List" > target="_blank">http://www.m= --> > > > <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 17, 2015
Subject: video
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
https://vimeo.com/139545018 password - owyheeflyer Three of us flew down to visit a friend of mine at his ranch on 12 mile. I had never landed there before, but was convinced that it would cause no problem for the Firestar. The Wild (feral) horses are pretty thick in that area. Larry -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: video
Date: Sep 17, 2015
Great piece of work. How did you get that shot of the other plane taking off? Pat From: Larry Cottrell Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 3:34 PM Subject: Kolb-List: video https://vimeo.com/139545018 password - owyheeflyer Three of us flew down to visit a friend of mine at his ranch on 12 mile. I had never landed there before, but was convinced that it would cause no problem for the Firestar. The Wild (feral) horses are pretty thick in that area. Larry -- The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant. If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 17, 2015
Subject: Re: video
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
I have one camera on my right wing and the other on the nose. So when it flew out of the side view, I inserted the front view.The only hard part was the timing, since I am slow compared to him. So in reality - the way that I got the shot was pure Luck. :-) Larry On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Patrick Ladd wrote: > Great piece of work. How did you get that shot of the other plane taking > off? Pat > > *From:* Larry Cottrell > *Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2015 3:34 PM > *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Kolb-List: video > > https://vimeo.com/139545018 > > password - owyheeflyer > > Three of us flew down to visit a friend of mine at his ranch on 12 mile. I > had never landed there before, but was convinced that it would cause no > problem for the Firestar. The Wild (feral) horses are pretty thick in that > area. > Larry > -- > *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* > > *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending.* > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com ">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution ">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > * > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: firefly behind schedule...
Date: Sep 17, 2015
<< By the way...watched , as I may have said, the BBC story of the Spitfire...Wondering if there is only one two seater left in England? Herb>> Keep your eyes open for `The return of the Spitfires` broadcast last night. 38 Spits, Hurricanes and a Blenheim took off from Goodwood (the old RAF field of Westhampnet) split ionto flights and covered the South of England. I saw red flight of 6 Spits routed round the South coast and then Salisbury to Bristol diverting slightly over my home town of Trowbridge were Spits were built, taken my old gliding field at Keevil, 5 miles away and then flown by the ATA to the squadrons. pink flight which was routed Bath to Colerne was running so late I went home. I remember Colerne as an active `drome protecting Bath during the blitz. Several 2 seaters flew. Prince Harry was scheduled for one seat but gave it up to someone else whose Spitfire had gone crook. Good mark for the Royals. I am still scheduled to fly for Oct 28th. They want to feature me in a promo video. I am trying to parlay that into some stick time inspite of `you will not be allowed to touch the controls` in the small print. I can cancel right up to engine start. Unless there are dual controls I think i will do that. Pat From: Herb Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 5:19 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: firefly behind schedule... On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 8:49 AM, Herb mailto:herbgh(at)nctc.com wrote: Thanks Pat My MKIII classic was all white...and my painting skills have not improved . I managed to get the left side of the Fuselage taped and painted yesterday...Hope to have the right side done by evening...but Golf is on the menu this morning... Have my airstrip mowed and at the ready...but think I should find a much longer runway for initial testing... :-) I have flown all my builds from my shorter 700 foot strip...The 1300 strip is very bumpy...a hay field esentially... Dialed in the Warp drive prop to bring the rpm's up to 6k...gonna leave it there for now..Sure wish I had a three blade IVO...much easier to dial in...and certainly smoother.. I could likely go a zig zag with two or three rum and cokes! :-) By the way...watched , as I may have said, the BBC story of the Spitfire...Wondering if there is only one two seater left in England? Herb On 09/16/2015 03:38 AM, Patrick Ladd wrote: > > Very pretty. > i would say that as it is more or less as I had my Xtra painted > except that I had a zig-zag flash in red running just below and up > behind the the canopy. Pat > > -----Original Message----- From: Herb > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:29 PM > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: firefly behind schedule... > > > > Color on the wings yesterday...fuselage today...ran engine for abt an > hour... > > top rpm's were 5400...with the 60" two blade warp set at 32 inch > pitch... I will try 30 tomorrow... > > sorry Bro. Pike for the large pic....too tired to resize...:-) Herb > > Ps...forgot that I need to install the velcro for the wing center > section!!!! alwattp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List" target="_blank">http://www.m=/ --> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: video
Date: Sep 17, 2015
A masterly piece of work. Pat From: Larry Cottrell Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 5:20 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: video I have one camera on my right wing and the other on the nose. So when it flew out of the side view, I inserted the front view.The only hard part was the timing, since I am slow compared to him. So in reality - the way that I got the shot was pure Luck. :-) Larry On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Patrick Ladd wrote: Great piece of work. How did you get that shot of the other plane taking off? Pat From: Larry Cottrell Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 3:34 PM To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Kolb-List: video https://vimeo.com/139545018 password - owyheeflyer Three of us flew down to visit a friend of mine at his ranch on 12 mile. I had never landed there before, but was convinced that it would cause no problem for the Firestar. The Wild (feral) horses are pretty thick in that area. Larry -- The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant. If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant. If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron Gap Seals
From: "crankpot" <bobg379(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 17, 2015
I've used book binding tape on both my firestar and now the ultrastar. Yes, its temporary but so am I. It lasts a good long time and looks way better than the stits tape IMHO -------- 1984 kolb ultrstar Former 1997 kolb firestat Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447166#447166 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron Gap Seals
From: Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Sep 17, 2015
That is the way I will proceed...I am done with the Firefly save for the aileron gap seals.. Office depot sold me a roll back when... I did the stits proceedure with the MkIII but someone at Kolb or on this list sold me on the tape.. May have said this before...but need a three blade IVO prop...UL version...Have a three blade Mid range IVO to trade... Blades for blades...I do not have the quick adjust hub...but I make my own...very simple with a lathe...Herb Pics of the finished Firefly...as one can see..the Puppies are real excited about it...! :-) On 09/17/2015 02:03 PM, crankpot wrote: > > I've used book binding tape on both my firestar and now the ultrastar. Yes, its temporary but so am I. It lasts a good long time and looks way better than the stits tape IMHO > > -------- > 1984 kolb ultrstar > Former 1997 kolb firestat > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447166#447166 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: firefly behind schedule...
From: Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Sep 17, 2015
I will look for it...My only method of access it to find the Torrent and download that...Likely too early to find an upload... nuther Firefly pic. :-) Herb On 09/17/2015 11:33 AM, Patrick Ladd wrote: > << By the way...watched , as I may have said, the BBC story of the > Spitfire...Wondering if there is only one two seater left in England? > Herb>> > Keep your eyes open for `The return of the Spitfires` broadcast last > night. 38 Spits, Hurricanes and a Blenheim took off from Goodwood (the > old RAF field of Westhampnet) split ionto flights and covered the > South of England. I saw red flight of 6 Spits routed round the South > coast and then Salisbury to Bristol diverting slightly over my home > town of Trowbridge were Spits were built, taken my old gliding field > at Keevil, 5 miles away and then flown by the ATA to the squadrons. > pink flight which was routed Bath to Colerne was running so late I > went home. I remember Colerne as an active `drome protecting Bath > during the blitz. > Several 2 seaters flew. Prince Harry was scheduled for one seat but > gave it up to someone else whose Spitfire had gone crook. Good mark > for the Royals. I am still scheduled to fly for Oct 28th. They want to > feature me in a promo video. I am trying to parlay that into some > stick time inspite of `you will not be allowed to touch the controls` > in the small print. I can cancel right up to engine start. Unless > there are dual controls I think i will do that. Pat > > *From:* Herb > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 16, 2015 5:19 PM > *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: firefly behind schedule... >> >> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 8:49 AM, Herb mailto:herbgh(at)nctc.com >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> Thanks Pat >> >> My MKIII classic was all white...and my painting skills have not >> improved . I managed to get the left side of the Fuselage taped and >> painted yesterday...Hope to have the right side done by evening...but >> Golf is on the menu this morning... >> >> Have my airstrip mowed and at the ready...but think I should find a >> much longer runway for initial testing... :-) I have flown all my >> builds from my shorter 700 foot strip...The 1300 strip is very bumpy...a >> hay field esentially... >> >> Dialed in the Warp drive prop to bring the rpm's up to 6k...gonna >> leave it there for now..Sure wish I had a three blade IVO...much easier >> to dial in...and certainly smoother.. >> >> I could likely go a zig zag with two or three rum and cokes! :-) >> >> By the way...watched , as I may have said, the BBC story of the >> Spitfire...Wondering if there is only one two seater left in >> England? Herb >> >> On 09/16/2015 03:38 AM, Patrick Ladd wrote: >> > >> > >> > Very pretty. >> > i would say that as it is more or less as I had my Xtra painted >> > except that I had a zig-zag flash in red running just below and up >> > behind the the canopy. Pat >> > >> > -----Original Message----- From: Herb >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:29 PM >> > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com >> > Subject: Kolb-List: firefly behind schedule... >> > >> > >> > >> > Color on the wings yesterday...fuselage today...ran engine for abt an >> > hour... >> > >> > top rpm's were 5400...with the 60" two blade warp set at 32 inch >> > pitch... I will try 30 tomorrow... >> > >> > sorry Bro. Pike for the large pic....too tired to resize...:-) Herb >> > >> > Ps...forgot that I need to install the velcro for the wing center >> > section!!!! alwattp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List" >> target="_blank">http://www.m=/ --> >> >> >> >> >> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >> ** <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > > <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List* > *href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c * > http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: video
From: "w0odi" <woodyz1957(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 17, 2015
Larry This Video is amazing I am not a fan of music on these type videos I generally would rather hear the engine but your choice of music along with your voice narrating all blended well with the video...thanks for sharing.. :) ... love the graphics telling direction, speed and altitude.. Would you care to tell us what camera is that you are using that allows you do do that?? Thanks Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447169#447169 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: video
Date: Sep 17, 2015
Larry and the gang are out hiking at the moment, so I will take the liberty to respond. The camera is a Garmin Virb. john h mkIII Rock House, OR -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of w0odi Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:30 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: video Larry This Video is amazing I am not a fan of music on these type videos I generally would rather hear the engine but your choice of music along with your voice narrating all blended well with the video...thanks for sharing.. :) ... love the graphics telling direction, speed and altitude.. Would you care to tell us what camera is that you are using that allows you do do that?? Thanks Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447169#447169 = Photoshare, and much much more: = = = ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 17, 2015
Subject: Re: video
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
I am using the Virb Elite. The editing program has been a PIA, but it has been getting better. Larry On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 2:29 PM, w0odi wrote: > > > ... love the graphics telling direction, speed and altitude.. Would you > care to tell us what camera is that you are using that allows you do do > that?? > > Thanks > Larry > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447169#447169 > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: video
From: "Larlaeb" <larlaeb(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 17, 2015
Thanks for the video. Enjoyed it much as always! Allan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447175#447175 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net>
Subject: RE: Herb' paint job
Date: Sep 17, 2015
Herb, Looking GOOD! No matter what the canines think... Fully enclosed back section sure makes it look different. How do you get to the gas tank to fill it? Stuart -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:48 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron Gap Seals That is the way I will proceed...I am done with the Firefly save for the aileron gap seals.. Office depot sold me a roll back when... I did the stits proceedure with the MkIII but someone at Kolb or on this list sold me on the tape.. May have said this before...but need a three blade IVO prop...UL version...Have a three blade Mid range IVO to trade... Blades for blades...I do not have the quick adjust hub...but I make my own...very simple with a lathe...Herb Pics of the finished Firefly...as one can see..the Puppies are real excited about it...! :-) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RE: Herb' paint job
From: Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Sep 17, 2015
thanks Stuart... Yeah. Takes a squirrel or rabbit to enthuse the pups... or a slice of bologna..:-) The panel is held in place by two bolts which are welded to the bottom corners of the lower longeron that defines the access area... Kinda nifty...but the previous builder came up with that(the plane came to me as a quick build )... the bolts have drilled holes and I will get a couple of wing nuts to hold it in place along with a couple of latch pins... He also changed the fuselage to hold a larger gas tank...10 gals...I will place a red line at the 5 gallon mark ! :-) I will do an all up wt and bal with 10 gals just for grins....That would be something on the order of a 520 gross... 490 with 5 gals... By the way... I have heard that stits one part coatings cannot be wet sanded....not so.. I painted part of one wing with the second coat of poly brush before I saw that it was going on like sand paper.... Using 320 and 600 grit took good care of that area....need to be careful with 320 grit on 1.8 oz fabric however.. Herb On 09/17/2015 07:59 PM, Stuart Harner wrote: > > Herb, > > Looking GOOD! No matter what the canines think... > > Fully enclosed back section sure makes it look different. > > How do you get to the gas tank to fill it? > > Stuart > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:48 PM > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron Gap Seals > > That is the way I will proceed...I am done with the Firefly save for the > aileron gap seals.. Office depot sold me a roll back when... > > I did the stits proceedure with the MkIII but someone at Kolb or on this > list sold me on the tape.. > > May have said this before...but need a three blade IVO prop...UL > version...Have a three blade Mid range IVO to trade... Blades for blades...I > do not have the quick adjust hub...but I make my own...very simple with a > lathe...Herb > > Pics of the finished Firefly...as one can see..the Puppies are real > excited about it...! :-) > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "KIRBY, DENNIS T GS-13 USAF AFMC AFNWC/EZS" <dennis.kirby.3(at)us.af.mil>
Subject: Re: Aileron Gap Seals
Date: Sep 18, 2015
"crankpot" wrote: << I've used book binding tape on both my firestar and now the ultrastar. Yes, its temporary but so am I. It lasts a good long time and looks way better than the stits tape IMHO. >> All - Crankpot is right - the clear 3M book binding tape lasts about six years. Then it starts cracking and breaking off. When this happened to me, I replaced the gap seal tape with dacron sail repair tape. Now I have the best of both methods! The sail repair tape comes in a 2-inch wide roll, just like the clear 3M book tape. Comes in various colors. I used white. And it's very sticky. You install it exactly as you would the clear tape, with the same sticky-side-to-sticky-side overlap of a half-inch. But now you have the benefit of a dacron fabric gap seal, which is stronger and should last a bunch longer than the clear tape. Looks good, too. Dennis Kirby Mark-3c / 912ul Sandia Park, NM ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 18, 2015
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Aileron Gap Seals
Dennis- Where do you find sail repair tape? Bill Sullivan -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 9/18/15, KIRBY, DENNIS T GS-13 USAF AFMC AFNWC/EZS wrote: Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron Gap Seals To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com" Date: Friday, September 18, 2015, 9:54 AM "KIRBY, DENNIS T GS-13 USAF AFMC AFNWC/EZS" "crankpot" wrote: << I've used book binding tape on both my firestar and now the ultrastar. Yes, its temporary but so am I. It lasts a good long time and looks way better than the stits tape IMHO. >> All - Crankpot is right - the clear 3M book binding tape lasts about six years. Then it starts cracking and breaking off. When this happened to me, I replaced the gap seal tape with dacron sail repair tape. Now I have the best of both methods! The sail repair tape comes in a 2-inch wide roll, just like the clear 3M book tape. Comes in various colors. I used white. And it's very sticky. You install it exactly as you would the clear tape, with the same sticky-side-to-sticky-side overlap of a half-inch. But now you have the benefit of a dacron fabric gap seal, which is stronger and should last a bunch longer than the clear tape. Looks good, too. Dennis Kirby Mark-3c / 912ul Sandia Park, NM Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Elevator backwords.... =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F0=9F=98=A1?= do not
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From: "Keith84" <keithdienelt(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 18, 2015
I bought a firefly a few months ago and promptly buried the nose in dirt while taxing. So i fixed the cone and ton of minor issues with the plane with a TON help of a friend on this forum over the past few months. Last night we got all the minor things fixed and I took it back out and NOSED OVER AGAIN while going relatively slow on the ground. Thats when we noticed that whoever built the firefly RIGGED THE ELEVATOR BACKWORDS. I am now trying to figure out if need to switch the cables on the stick or were they connect to the elevator. The seller did not have manual or anything with the plane, can I simply just switch the cables on the stick? -------- 98' Kolb FireFly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447196#447196 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: video
From: "crankpot" <bobg379(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 18, 2015
Very nice! what camera are you using to produce the data in the corner? Bob -------- 1984 kolb ultrstar Former 1997 kolb firestat Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447198#447198 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: video
From: "w0odi" <woodyz1957(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 18, 2015
Larry Thanks for the info on the camera... I figured it was probably the Virb Elite..... I am getting by fairly good on my Sony hdr-as100vr it lacks heading and altitude but does show ground speed and the track...but would love to have the elite... maybe next year.. :) lcottrell wrote: > I am using the Virb Elite. The editing program has been a PIA, but it has been getting better.Larry > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447169#447169 (http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447169#447169) > > > > > > > > ========== > -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > ========== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > -- The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant. If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. > [b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447212#447212 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Firefly add ons...
From: Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Sep 19, 2015
Thought I would send some pics , showing access to the fuel tank...also one of the storage box just to the rear....naturally..one must be careful adding too much wt to this compartment...Tie downs, oil and maybe an empty fuel tank? The storage compartment needs a cover to keep things contained in rough weather...Herb ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Elevator backwords.... =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F0=9F=98=A1?= do
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From: "Frankd" <FDucker(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 19, 2015
Hi Keith84, sorry to hear that you nosed over again, but mighty glad you did.. I must share with you that I have destroyed two nice RC models with reversed controls. The flights were quite short, both models had reversed ailerons and the plane climbed out but as soon as it started to turn I did input the correction only to have it roll into the ground. This taught me an expensive lesson (twice) that I apply to flying kolbs..My biggest model yet.. The good thing about RC models is that you are not in them.Double check everything.. If you just reverse the cables you must check that they don't rub or bind, you should get the manual like John said and follow that. The worst story I heard was the KOLB pilot that forgot to put the bolts connecting the struts to the wing, just the rivets held it together for about 20 mins of flight and then the plane crashed. I would also recommend you contact a local EAA chapter and have someone else look over your plane. I did for mine and he found a few things that helped me a lot. Be safe , live long and enjoy your kolb. FrankD MkIII Xtra N1014S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447252#447252 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Firefly add ons...
Date: Sep 21, 2015
Very neat. We are somewhat restricted (at least in theory) in adding weight as the controlling factor which decides if it is a microlight or not is the MAUW. My Xtra was fairly heavy as the guy who built it was more versed in `normal` aircraft than in microlights. Consequently when he saw what he considered a `weak` point or a part a bit underdesigned he merrily put in an extra stiffening piece or a brace. Unfortunately the weight it all added up and only left a little `wriggle room`. It was never a problem for me but someone who wanted to load their machine like the Hauk does on his x countries would find themselves illegal. Of course that doesn`t mean that everyone always stays inside the limits. Pat. -----Original Message----- From: Herb Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 7:24 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly add ons... Thought I would send some pics , showing access to the fuel tank...also one of the storage box just to the rear....naturally..one must be careful adding too much wt to this compartment...Tie downs, oil and maybe an empty fuel tank? The storage compartment needs a cover to keep things contained in rough weather...Herb ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Firefly add ons...
From: Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Sep 21, 2015
My MkIIi classic came in at 490 lbs.. Rotax 532 engine and three blade IVO prop. No frills.. Pleased that the Firefly is just a bit over wt...Planning to do another Wt and Bal Today...266 seems quite lite , given the full enclosure ? Herb On 09/21/2015 05:47 AM, Patrick Ladd wrote: > > Very neat. We are somewhat restricted (at least in theory) in adding > weight as the controlling factor which decides if it is a microlight > or not is the MAUW. My Xtra was fairly heavy as the guy who built it > was more versed in `normal` aircraft than in microlights. Consequently > when he saw what he considered a `weak` point or a part a bit > underdesigned he merrily put in an extra stiffening piece or a brace. > Unfortunately the weight it all added up and only left a little > `wriggle room`. It was never a problem for me but someone who wanted > to load their machine like the Hauk does on his x countries would find > themselves illegal. Of course that doesn`t mean that everyone always > stays inside the limits. Pat. > > -----Original Message----- From: Herb > Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 7:24 PM > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly add ons... > > > Thought I would send some pics , showing access to the fuel tank...also > one of the storage box just to the rear....naturally..one must be > careful adding too much wt to this compartment...Tie downs, oil and > maybe an empty fuel tank? The storage compartment needs a cover to > keep things contained in rough weather...Herb > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Firefly add ons...
Date: Sep 22, 2015
Hi. 2 seat has to come in below 992lbs. Single seat below 661lbs. This includes fuel and pilot who is assumed to be 200lbs. The plane must stall at less than 35knots at MAUW. and there is a wing loading limit. This is to stop someone building a `lead sled` which is beyond the control of a `normal` pilot. Nevertheless we have models cruising around 100 mph and topping out at 120. No retractable u/c allowed here although they do on the Continent. i think to get mine through we worked out a calculation of the wing loading by including the wing strut area in the wing area. Where theres a will.. Pat -----Original Message----- From: Herb Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 12:27 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly add ons... My MkIIi classic came in at 490 lbs.. Rotax 532 engine and three blade IVO prop. No frills.. Pleased that the Firefly is just a bit over wt...Planning to do another Wt and Bal Today...266 seems quite lite , given the full enclosure ? Herb On 09/21/2015 05:47 AM, Patrick Ladd wrote: > > Very neat. We are somewhat restricted (at least in theory) in adding > weight as the controlling factor which decides if it is a microlight or > not is the MAUW. My Xtra was fairly heavy as the guy who built it was more > versed in `normal` aircraft than in microlights. Consequently when he saw > what he considered a `weak` point or a part a bit underdesigned he merrily > put in an extra stiffening piece or a brace. Unfortunately the weight it > all added up and only left a little `wriggle room`. It was never a problem > for me but someone who wanted to load their machine like the Hauk does on > his x countries would find themselves illegal. Of course that doesn`t mean > that everyone always stays inside the limits. Pat. > > -----Original Message----- From: Herb > Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 7:24 PM > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly add ons... > > > Thought I would send some pics , showing access to the fuel tank...also > one of the storage box just to the rear....naturally..one must be > careful adding too much wt to this compartment...Tie downs, oil and > maybe an empty fuel tank? The storage compartment needs a cover to > keep things contained in rough weather...Herb > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 22, 2015
Subject: Re: Firefly add ons...Firefly add ons...
From: Denny Baber <baberdk(at)gmail.com>
I have found it helpful to shift weight instead of adding weight. I have relocated my battery more than once as I gain or lose weight. I wonder how easy it would be to have the motor on a sliding (but secure) plate? Respectfully, Dennis Baber Patience is the best remedy for every trouble ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Clear Lake / NASA Video
From: "Larlaeb" <larlaeb(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 22, 2015
Hi All, I thought I would try a voice over video again just to see what happens. Just a short little flight. Thanks, Allan https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxdXwdWJkFExRUNSdW1KelNBUnc/view?usp=sharing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447346#447346 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Clear Lake / NASA Video
Date: Sep 22, 2015
Enjoyed your video. Thanks for sharing. john h mkIII Rock House, OR -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larlaeb Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 1:35 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Clear Lake / NASA Video Hi All, I thought I would try a voice over video again just to see what happens. Just a short little flight. Thanks, Allan https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxdXwdWJkFExRUNSdW1KelNBUnc /view?usp=sharing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447346#447346 = Photoshare, and much much more: = = = ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Original Firestar History
Date: Sep 22, 2015
Here are a few photos of the rebuild of my original FS which was done the winter of 87 and 88. A few of the updates were: 1-An aluminum 18 gal fuel tank. 2-A provision for moving the instrument panel from the nose cone rearward to make it comfortably reachable. 3-4130 streamline lift struts. This increased cruise speed. 4-Faired around tail boom and bottom of fuselage. This increased cruise speed. 5-Mounted 6" Lexan fairing on top edge of windshield. This increased cruise speed by moving air up and over the leading edge of the gap seal. Also allowed me to fly with baseball cap and glasses, rather than a David Clark cloth helmet and goggles. There were more mods that winter, but time has taken its toll on my memory. My FS had brought home the 1988 Sun and Fun Grand Champion Ultralight trophy prior to the rebuild. Oshkosh 1989 we brought home a Gold Lindy for Oshkosh Grand Champion Ultralight. I am still very proud of the aircraft, which like all the rest of my Kolbs, was never trailered, but always flown to its destination. I built them to fly, not trailer. john h mkIII Rock House, OR ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 22, 2015
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Clear Lake / NASA Video
Nicely done! I notice that you have a yaw string. I was watching a Mythbusters episode a couple of weeks ago. Adam Savage went up in a U-2. It also had a yaw string! All that money, and over 100 years of development, and a piece of yarn works best. Bill Sullivan -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 9/22/15, John Hauck wrote: Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Clear Lake / NASA Video To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2015, 4:03 PM "John Hauck" Enjoyed your video. Thanks for sharing. john h mkIII Rock House, OR -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larlaeb Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 1:35 PM To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Kolb-List: Clear Lake / NASA Video Hi All, I thought I would try a voice over video again just to see what happens. Just a short little flight. Thanks, Allan https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxdXwdWJkFExRUNSdW1KelNBUnc /view?usp=sharing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447346#447346 = Photoshare, and much much more: = = = Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Emergency Start Battery
Date: Sep 22, 2015
I've been on the road, out West and Alaska, for 4 months. One of the primary toys is my Polaris RZR, which has but one way to start the engine. That is a good battery. If the battery fails, I am dead on the trail. Was reading the RZR Forum the other day. One of the guys had purchased an emergency start battery. Sounded like good insurance, not only for the RZR, but also the MKIII with 912ULS. If I got stuck somewhere with a low battery, unable to start the 912ULS, I would not be going anywhere. With the emergency start battery, I'd soon be on my way. I might add, I did hand start my 912UL once to see if it was possible. Never considered the 912ULS because of the high compression engine (10.5:1) driving through a gear box. The battery is a Bestek G-11, purchased from Amazon. Larry C also got one for his HKS. We paid 42.99 each. There are larger ones, but this little one started the RZR this morning 5 consecutive times and still had reserve power. The RZR battery was completely disconnected. Only the Bestek was used to start. They are extremely small, light weight, have a small LED light, will charge most all your hand held electronics through a USB connection. The Bestek can be charged from a USB port on your desk top or lap top, 110 vac usb charger or 12vdc usb charger. Not trying to sell these, but seemed like cheap insurance for the airplane and many other emergencies. http://www.amazon.com/Ulta-Slim-Multi-Functional-Portable-Ex ternal-Charging/dp/B00ZZKGVY4 john h mkIII Rock House, OR ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 22, 2015
Subject: Re: Clear Lake / NASA Video
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
I liked the video, voice over was great. I am very thankful that my flying area is a lot less populated with much better visibility. Definitely spoiled. I do like to see the areas where all of you fly. Good job, Larry On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Larlaeb wrote: > > Hi All, > I thought I would try a voice over video again just to see what happens. > Just a short little flight. > > Thanks, > Allan > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxdXwdWJkFExRUNSdW1KelNBUnc/view?usp=sharing > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447346#447346 > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Clear Lake / NASA Video
From: "Larlaeb" <larlaeb(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 22, 2015
Yes, it's hard to compete with your area and your efforts are part of my inspiration. Maybe some day I can get out that way. :) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447353#447353 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 22, 2015
Subject: Re: Clear Lake / NASA Video
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Come on, there is plenty of parking places. Larry On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Larlaeb wrote: > > Yes, it's hard to compete with your area and your efforts are part of my > inspiration. Maybe some day I can get out that way. :) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447353#447353 > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Clear Lake / NASA Video
Date: Sep 23, 2015
Nice video. Great idea cutting in a view of the plane, made it very professional. I went to Galveston once. Drove from Houston to get some oil for the B17 the Confederate Air Force was flying the next weekend. Also met the guy who did a ONE WHEEL touch down with the B17 to simulate the landing by a damaged B17 during the attack on Pearl Harbor. Nice guy. His exhibition was spectacular.He lowered one wheel only and flew all the way down a very long runway with the wheel on the ground holding the plane level. Cheers. Pat -----Original Message----- From: Larlaeb Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 8:35 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Clear Lake / NASA Video Hi All, I thought I would try a voice over video again just to see what happens. Just a short little flight. Thanks, Allan https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxdXwdWJkFExRUNSdW1KelNBUnc/view?usp=sharing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447346#447346 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Clear Lake / NASA Video
Date: Sep 23, 2015
Adam Savage went up in a U-2.>> Chatted to the crew of a U2 many years ago while they were being kitted out for a flight. As complicated as going to the moon I remember. They said she was a pig to fly and only skated along over about a 15 mph cruise range when she was at max height.. Very accurate flying called for. Fell out of the sky if the speed was allowed to drop. A long time ago. Pat -----Original Message----- From: william sullivan Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 9:28 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Clear Lake / NASA Video Nicely done! I notice that you have a yaw string. I was watching a Mythbusters episode a couple of weeks ago. Adam Savage went up in a U-2. It also had a yaw string! All that money, and over 100 years of development, and a piece of yarn works best. Bill Sullivan -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 9/22/15, John Hauck wrote: Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Clear Lake / NASA Video Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2015, 4:03 PM "John Hauck" Enjoyed your video. Thanks for sharing. john h mkIII Rock House, OR -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larlaeb Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 1:35 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Clear Lake / NASA Video Hi All, I thought I would try a voice over video again just to see what happens. Just a short little flight. Thanks, Allan https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxdXwdWJkFExRUNSdW1KelNBUnc /view?usp=sharing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447346#447346 = Photoshare, and much much more: = = = Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Emergency Start Battery
From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
Date: Sep 23, 2015
That is very cool. The link you posted did not work for me, here is a different one that might work. http://www.amazon.com/Ulta-Slim-Multi-Functional-Portable-External-Charging/dp/B00ZZKGXEC/ref=pd_sim_sbs_107_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=1F1BB27WFX7Z2AXSJ9GG&dpID=41ZeUR70pML&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_ -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447372#447372 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Emergency Start Battery
Date: Sep 23, 2015
Probably have to cut and paste the url. The email dropped the last half. john h mkIII Rock House, OR -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 6:40 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Emergency Start Battery --> That is very cool. The link you posted did not work for me, here is a different one that might work. http://www.amazon.com/Ulta-Slim-Multi-Functional-Portable-Ex ternal-Charging/dp/B00ZZKGXEC/ref=pd_sim_sbs_107_1?ie=UTF8&r efRID=1F1BB27WFX7Z2AXSJ9GG&dpID=41ZeUR70pML&dpSrc=sims&preST =_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_ -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447372#447372 = Photoshare, and much much more: = = = ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Emergency Start Battery
From: Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Sep 23, 2015
5.6 amp hour battery..guessing it is a Nickle Metal Hydride type...? Cables are pretty small..but it works!! amazing...Herb On 09/23/2015 07:40 AM, Richard Pike wrote: > > That is very cool. The link you posted did not work for me, here is a different one that might work. > http://www.amazon.com/Ulta-Slim-Multi-Functional-Portable-External-Charging/dp/B00ZZKGXEC/ref=pd_sim_sbs_107_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=1F1BB27WFX7Z2AXSJ9GG&dpID=41ZeUR70pML&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_ > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > Would you consider yourself to be a good person? > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447372#447372 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Emergency Start Battery
From: Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Sep 23, 2015
Noticed that the jumper wire size is 10 awg(Amazon pic) ...which is pretty small... Guessing that a short set of jumper cables and a 10 amp hour sealed battery would do as well ..? Probably not as convenient...however.. Herb wondering if the batteries are Lithium Ion? On 09/23/2015 09:25 AM, John Hauck wrote: > > Probably have to cut and paste the url. The email dropped > the last half. > > john h > mkIII > Rock House, OR > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Richard Pike > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 6:40 AM > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Emergency Start Battery > > --> > > That is very cool. The link you posted did not work for me, > here is a different one that might work. > http://www.amazon.com/Ulta-Slim-Multi-Functional-Portable-Ex > ternal-Charging/dp/B00ZZKGXEC/ref=pd_sim_sbs_107_1?ie=UTF8&r > efRID=1F1BB27WFX7Z2AXSJ9GG&dpID=41ZeUR70pML&dpSrc=sims&preST > =_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_ > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > Would you consider yourself to be a good person? > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447372#447372 > > > = > Photoshare, and much much more: > = > = > = > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Emergency Start Battery
From: Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 23, 2015
> >5.6 amp hour battery..guessing it is a Nickle Metal Hydride type...? >Cables are pretty small..but it works!! amazing...Herb > >On 09/23/2015 07:40 AM, Richard Pike wrote: > >> >> That is very cool. The link you posted did not work for me, here is a >different one that might work. >> >http://www.amazon.com/Ulta-Slim-Multi-Functional-Portable-External-Charging/dp/B00ZZKGXEC/ref=pd_sim_sbs_107_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=1F1BB27WFX7Z2AXSJ9GG&dpID=41ZeUR70pML&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_ >> >> -------- >> Richard Pike >> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) >> Kingsport, TN 3TN0 >> >> Would you consider yourself to be a good person? >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447372#447372 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Got to be one of the lithium types. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net>
Subject: Photos of your Firestar instrument panel.....
Date: Sep 23, 2015
Hello All, I enjoyed the video that Allen posted, and got a few glimpses of his instrument panel. I would be very appeachitive if anyone who has a Firestar size panel would post a picture of their panel. I have spent a lot of time trying to figure out a layout to accommodate everything I want to mount on my panel. Thanks for your help, Nick Cassara Palmer, Alaska Prototype Kolbra (with Firestar nose) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 23, 2015
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Photos of your Firestar instrument panel.....
Nick- I sent a photo to your e-mail address. I hope it works, as I am not very good attaching photos. Easier for one person to have to delete, than for everybody plus Matt. Let us know, and I will share with the List. Bill Sullivan Windsor Locks, Ct. FS 447 -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 9/23/15, Nick Cassara wrote: Subject: Kolb-List: Photos of your Firestar instrument panel..... To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2015, 2:09 PM Nick Cassara Hello All, I enjoyed the video that Allen posted, and got a few glimpses of his instrument panel. I would be very appeachitive if anyone who has a Firestar size panel would post a picture of their panel. I have spent a lot of time trying to figure out a layout to accommodate everything I want to mount on my panel. Thanks for your help, Nick Cassara Palmer, Alaska Prototype Kolbra (with Firestar nose) Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 23, 2015
Subject: Re: Photos of your Firestar instrument panel.....
From: Martin Koxxy <martinkoxxy(at)gmail.com>
Here is a photo of the panel in my just completed Earthstar eGull (electric powered). Not a Firestar, but might still offer some ideas. The 8.4" Samsung tablet in the center will normally show a moving map sectional (I use Avare). When hooked up to bus power (via a simple 12V-5V adapter) it can run at full brightness, which is about as good as it gets on tablets. On the right is a GRT Mini-X EFIS with all the options- amazing product, highly recommended. I replicated the USB on the back in the panel, for easier software updates and downloading flight stats to a memory stick. Under the EFIS is a "Cycle Analyst" to display battery data, etc - not something you would use. It provides a handy finger rest for operating the EFIS buttons in turbulence. On the left I have a Flightline FL-760 radio. Since my plane has an electric motor, I thought I might get away with a ceiling speaker and gooseneck mic (and PTT on the stick), but the feedback between the mic and speaker made me reconsider. I am now installing jacks for a headset. On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Nick Cassara wrote: > > Hello All, > > I enjoyed the video that Allen posted, and got a few glimpses of his > instrument panel. I would be very appeachitive if anyone who has a Firestar > size panel would post a picture of their panel. I have spent a lot of time > trying to figure out a layout to accommodate everything I want to mount on > my panel. > > Thanks for your help, > > Nick Cassara > Palmer, Alaska > > Prototype Kolbra (with Firestar nose) > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 23, 2015
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Photos of your Firestar instrument panel.....
My original Firestar, with 1/2 windscreen. Bill Sulliv an Windsor Loc ks, Ct. FS 447 Hello All, I enjoyed the video that Allen posted, and got a few glimpses of his instrument panel. I would be very appeachitive if anyone who has a Firestar size panel would post a picture of their panel. I have spent a lot of time trying to figure out a layout to accommodate everything I want to mount on my panel.--- Thanks for your help, Nick Cassara Palmer, Alaska Prototype Kolbra (with Firestar nose) Forum - ---- MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contribution Web Site - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 23, 2015
Subject: Re: Photos of your Firestar instrument panel.....
From: Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com>
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Martin Koxxy wrote : > The 8.4" Samsung tablet in the center will normally show a moving map > sectional (I use Avare) =8BMartin -- It's just a thought, but, have you considered fabricating a small hood for the tablet? Might make it a bit easier to see=8B. -- Robert ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 23, 2015
Subject: Re: Photos of your Firestar instrument panel.....
From: Martin Koxxy <martinkoxxy(at)gmail.com>
It is hard to tell from the photo, but the glare shield does extend about 3" back over the panel. Even at full brightness, the tablet cannot touch the brightness of the GRT EFIS next to it. I don't know of any other tablet or phone that would - probably due to the need to conserve battery. And even the best tablets cannot touch the GPS and accelerometers in a dedicated aviation instrument, not to speak of pitot, static and OAT input which allows the EFIS to provide density altitude and wind vectors. But as a moving map / sectional, the tablet is well worth the panel space. On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Robert Laird wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Martin Koxxy > wrote: > >> The 8.4" Samsung tablet in the center will normally show a moving map >> sectional (I use Avare) > > > =8BMartin -- > > It's just a thought, but, have you considered fabricating a small hood fo r > the tablet? Might make it a bit easier to see=8B. > > -- Robert > > > * > =========== onics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 23, 2015
Subject: Re: Photos of your Firestar instrument panel.....
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Here is my panel. There is only one problem with it and that is with the compass, there is no where on the panel that I can get it far enough away from steel to allow it to be any where near correct. Larry On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Nick Cassara wrote: > > Hello All, > > I enjoyed the video that Allen posted, and got a few glimpses of his > instrument panel. I would be very appeachitive if anyone who has a Firestar > size panel would post a picture of their panel. I have spent a lot of time > trying to figure out a layout to accommodate everything I want to mount on > my panel. > > Thanks for your help, > > Nick Cassara > Palmer, Alaska > > Prototype Kolbra (with Firestar nose) > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Elevator Stops on Mark III
From: "Dee One" <leblancds(at)cox.net>
Date: Sep 23, 2015
I am nearing completion of my Mk3 rebuild. I would like information on how to install limit stops on the elevator up and elevator down positions. I don't see this in the manual that came with my used Mark3. See attachments. A down stop is installed but needs modification; however I see no up stops at all. An up stop is needed because the controls stick hits the seat. Your input, especially photos, are appreciated. Thanks, Dee -------- The Past is History The Future is a Mystery Today is a Gift Thats Why They Call it the Present Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447407#447407 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1189_210.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: battery/starting issues
Date: Sep 24, 2015
> If I got stuck somewhere with a low battery, unable to start the 912ULS, I would not be going anywhere. I poke around in really remote areas on my various trail bikes. On some, and especially on my road bikes, Honda scooters (250cc and 600cc) I like to monitor the charging system. Hate to have it quit way out there. I can no longer count on my body to walk back in. Long years ago I was a crew leader on a FS hot-shot crew. Now... things are different. Oh- yeah, charging... I install a lil LED thingee that shows the state of charge. I would immediately know if my alternator stopped working or something. These are cheap and easy to install. They show several levels of charge from flat to a red blinking state for over-charging. It goes through off, orange, green, red blinking red and maybe another. It's orange when I turn the ignition on. That shows the battery is good but isn't being charged. Once running, one gets used to the solid green (around 13.5v - 14.5 IIRC) and if it ever were to change it would grab my attention quickly. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 24, 2015
Subject: Re: Elevator Stops on Mark III
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Dee, Is yours an early Mk III? Is there a serial number on the aft end of the engine mount tube? I ask because the bell crank to which the elevator cables are attached is not the latest version. Is the cable that appears in this picture: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg the trim cable? Does it run all the back to the elevator bell crank at the elevator? Rick Girard PS If that is a paper fuel filter you ought to consider replacing it with one that has a synthetic element. Rotax has a service bulletin that recommends against using paper elements. If you get ethanol gas there is a possibility that water held in suspension by the ethanol can saturate paper element and effectively block the flow of fuel. On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:06 PM, Dee One wrote: > > I am nearing completion of my Mk3 rebuild. I would like information on ho w > to install limit stops on the elevator up and elevator down positions. I > don't see this in the manual that came with my used Mark3. See > attachments. A down stop is installed but needs modification; however I s ee > no up stops at all. An up stop is needed because the controls stick hits > the seat. Your input, especially photos, are appreciated. > > Thanks, > Dee > > -------- > The Past is History > The Future is a Mystery > Today is a Gift > That=99s Why They Call it the Present > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447407#447407 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1189_210.jpg > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Photos of your Firestar instrument panel.....
From: "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 24, 2015
Here is my new panel and my old panel on my Firestar. Don't paint it white. Big mistake. Reflects too much off the lexan. -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447415#447415 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cimg2910_144.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/cimg0396_989.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dee LeBlanc <leblancds(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Elevator Stops on Mark III
Date: Sep 24, 2015
Yes, it=99s a early (old) Mk3. There=99s no SN on the aft end of the engine mount tube. There are two cables shown in the photo. The one in the foreground (the one out of focus) is one of the rudder cables. The other cable (with the plastic sleeve) is the trim cable that goes all the way back do the elevator horn. Dee LeBlanc leblancds(at)cox.net cell 225-802-1038 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Past is History The Future is a Mystery Today is a Gift That=99s Why They Call it the Present > On Sep 24, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Richard Girard wrote: > > Dee, Is yours an early Mk III? Is there a serial number on the aft end of the engine mount tube? I ask because the bell crank to which the elevator cables are attached is not the latest version. Is the cable that appears in this picture: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg <http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg> the trim cable? Does it run all the back to the elevator bell crank at the elevator? > > Rick Girard > > PS If that is a paper fuel filter you ought to consider replacing it with one that has a synthetic element. Rotax has a service bulletin that recommends against using paper elements. If you get ethanol gas there is a possibility that water held in suspension by the ethanol can saturate paper element and effectively block the flow of fuel. > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:06 PM, Dee One > wrote: > > > I am nearing completion of my Mk3 rebuild. I would like information on how to install limit stops on the elevator up and elevator down positions. I don't see this in the manual that came with my used Mark3. See attachments. A down stop is installed but needs modification; however I see no up stops at all. An up stop is needed because the controls stick hits the seat. Your input, especially photos, are appreciated. > > Thanks, > Dee > > -------- > The Past is History > The Future is a Mystery > Today is a Gift > That=99s Why They Call it the Present > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447407#447407 <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447407#447407> > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg <http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1189_210.jpg <http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1189_210.jpg> > > > > > ========== > -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> > ========== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/> > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > ========== > > > > > > > -- > =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. =9D Groucho Marx <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx> > > > <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 09/23/15
Date: Sep 24, 2015
Bill Sullivan: > I sent a photo to your e-mail address. I would also like a pic of the instrument panel if you don't mind the trouble. I am also planning my panel. I have the same EIS too. thanks GeoB ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 24, 2015
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 09/23/15
George- Let me know if you can get a good look at the photo. If not, I wil l have my son-in-law come and take another. My only talent with a camera i nvolves a photo of my thumb. As far as the compass location, I cut out the panel, and made a mold from several layers of aluminum foil. Covered it w ith Saran wrap, and glassed it in. The compass does not seem to be affecte d by the other instruments. Bill Sullivan Windsor Locks, Ct. FS 447 -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 9/24/15, George Bearden wrote: Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 09/23/15 To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2015, 5:37 PM "George Bearden" Bill Sullivan: > I sent a photo to your e-mail address. I would also like a pic of the instrument panel if you don't mind the trouble. I am also planning my panel. I have the same EIS too. thanks GeoB - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Forum - ---- MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contribution Web Site - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Emergency Start Battery
From: Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 24, 2015
have been carrying an Anti Gravity brand jump start kit for a year..It will start car, come with a bunch of adapters and connectors to charge your phone or computer or camera.Bought it at Amazon .they offer many models.Thanks to Louie Champau for the info. G.Aman MK 3 C Jabiru > On Sep 23, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Herb wrote: > > > 5.6 amp hour battery..guessing it is a Nickle Metal Hydride type...? Cables are pretty small..but it works!! amazing...Herb > > On 09/23/2015 07:40 AM, Richard Pike wrote: >> >> That is very cool. The link you posted did not work for me, here is a different one that might work. >> http://www.amazon.com/Ulta-Slim-Multi-Functional-Portable-External-Charging/dp/B00ZZKGXEC/ref=pd_sim_sbs_107_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=1F1BB27WFX7Z2AXSJ9GG&dpID=41ZeUR70pML&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_ >> >> -------- >> Richard Pike >> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) >> Kingsport, TN 3TN0 >> >> Would you consider yourself to be a good person? >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447372#447372 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 25, 2015
Subject: Re: Elevator Stops on Mark III
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Dee, What I don't see is how the trim system is set up. This is why I asked about the foreground cable. When I got my Mk III the trim cable ran all the way back to the elevator and then back up to the bell crank. The result was that when you pulled trim, the rudder cable went slack and banged around in the boom tube. It really made for some crappy control harmony. I could pull back on the stick and nothing happened. I just had to feel my way around until the elevator cable became tight again. I created a fix that approximates the current factory bell crank and I've attached a photo of it. In honor of my departed friend Jeff Johnson, the tang used to create the trim link was off Jeff's EipperFormance FlexiFlier. Hope this helps a bit. Rick On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Dee LeBlanc wrote: > Yes, it=99s a early (old) Mk3. There=99s no SN on the aft end of the engine > mount tube. There are two cables shown in the photo. The one in the > foreground (the one out of focus) is one of the rudder cables. The other > cable (with the plastic sleeve) is the trim cable that goes all the way > back do the elevator horn. > > Dee LeBlanc > leblancds(at)cox.net > cell 225-802-1038 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Past is History > The Future is a Mystery > Today is a Gift > That=99s Why They Call it the Present > > > On Sep 24, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Richard Girard wrote: > > Dee, Is yours an early Mk III? Is there a serial number on the aft end of > the engine mount tube? I ask because the bell crank to which the elevator > cables are attached is not the latest version. Is the cable that appears in > this picture: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg the > trim cable? Does it run all the back to the elevator bell crank at the > elevator? > > Rick Girard > > PS If that is a paper fuel filter you ought to consider replacing it with > one that has a synthetic element. Rotax has a service bulletin that > recommends against using paper elements. If you get ethanol gas there is a > possibility that water held in suspension by the ethanol can saturate pap er > element and effectively block the flow of fuel. > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:06 PM, Dee One wrote: > >> >> I am nearing completion of my Mk3 rebuild. I would like information on >> how to install limit stops on the elevator up and elevator down position s. >> I don't see this in the manual that came with my used Mark3. See >> attachments. A down stop is installed but needs modification; however I see >> no up stops at all. An up stop is needed because the controls stick hits >> the seat. Your input, especially photos, are appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Dee >> >> -------- >> The Past is History >> The Future is a Mystery >> Today is a Gift >> That=99s Why They Call it the Present >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447407#447407 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1189_210.jpg >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributi on >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > -- > =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. =9D Groucho Marx > <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx> > > * > > class="">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > class="">http://forums.matronics.com > class="">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > * > =========== onics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > -- =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dee LeBlanc <leblancds(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Elevator Stops on Mark III
Date: Sep 25, 2015
Hey Rick, thanks for your response. Sounds like my elevator trim is set up similar to yours; i.e. the springed trim cable goes all the way back to the elevator up control horn (this is independent from the rudder cables). I'm simply looking for a good installation for an elevator up stop. Control stick hitting the seat as mine does is not the best arrangement. Thanks for your insight, Dee LeBlanc leblancds(at)cox.net cell 225-802-1038 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Past is History The Future is a Mystery Today is a Gift That=99s Why They Call it the Present > On Sep 25, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Richard Girard wrote: > > Dee, What I don't see is how the trim system is set up. This is why I asked about the foreground cable. > When I got my Mk III the trim cable ran all the way back to the elevator and then back up to the bell crank. The result was that when you pulled trim, the rudder cable went slack and banged around in the boom tube. It really made for some crappy control harmony. I could pull back on the stick and nothing happened. I just had to feel my way around until the elevator cable became tight again. I created a fix that approximates the current factory bell crank and I've attached a photo of it. > In honor of my departed friend Jeff Johnson, the tang used to create the trim link was off Jeff's EipperFormance FlexiFlier. > Hope this helps a bit. > > > Rick > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Dee LeBlanc > wrote: > Yes, it=99s a early (old) Mk3. There=99s no SN on the aft end of the engine mount tube. There are two cables shown in the photo. The one in the foreground (the one out of focus) is one of the rudder cables. The other cable (with the plastic sleeve) is the trim cable that goes all the way back do the elevator horn. > > Dee LeBlanc > leblancds(at)cox.net > cell 225-802-1038 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Past is History > The Future is a Mystery > Today is a Gift > That=99s Why They Call it the Present > > > > > > > >> On Sep 24, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Richard Girard > wrote: >> >> Dee, Is yours an early Mk III? Is there a serial number on the aft end of the engine mount tube? I ask because the bell crank to which the elevator cables are attached is not the latest version. Is the cable that appears in this picture: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg <http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg> the trim cable? Does it run all the back to the elevator bell crank at the elevator? >> >> Rick Girard >> >> PS If that is a paper fuel filter you ought to consider replacing it with one that has a synthetic element. Rotax has a service bulletin that recommends against using paper elements. If you get ethanol gas there is a possibility that water held in suspension by the ethanol can saturate paper element and effectively block the flow of fuel. >> >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:06 PM, Dee One > wrote: > >> >> I am nearing completion of my Mk3 rebuild. I would like information on how to install limit stops on the elevator up and elevator down positions. I don't see this in the manual that came with my used Mark3. See attachments. A down stop is installed but needs modification; however I see no up stops at all. An up stop is needed because the controls stick hits the seat. Your input, especially photos, are appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Dee >> >> -------- >> The Past is History >> The Future is a Mystery >> Today is a Gift >> That=99s Why They Call it the Present >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447407#447407 <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447407#447407> >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg <http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1189_210.jpg <http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1189_210.jpg> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/> >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >> ========== >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. =9D Groucho Marx <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx> >> >> >> >> class="">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> >> class="">http://forums.matronics.com >> class="">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >> >> > > > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > -- > =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. =9D Groucho Marx <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 25, 2015
Subject: Re: Elevator Stops on Mark III
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Dee, Just don't short change yourself on up elevator. I flew a Mk IIIX at 1280 lb once and I had about 1/4" between the stick and the forward seat bar just to maintain straight and level. Rick On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Dee LeBlanc wrote: > Hey Rick, thanks for your response. Sounds like my elevator trim is set u p > similar to yours; i.e. the springed trim cable goes all the way back to t he > elevator up control horn (this is independent from the rudder cables). I' m > simply looking for a good installation for an elevator up stop. Control > stick hitting the seat as mine does is not the best arrangement. > > Thanks for your insight, > Dee LeBlanc > leblancds(at)cox.net > cell 225-802-1038 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Past is History > The Future is a Mystery > Today is a Gift > That=99s Why They Call it the Present > > > On Sep 25, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Richard Girard wrote: > > Dee, What I don't see is how the trim system is set up. This is why I > asked about the foreground cable. > When I got my Mk III the trim cable ran all the way back to the elevator > and then back up to the bell crank. The result was that when you pulled > trim, the rudder cable went slack and banged around in the boom tube. It > really made for some crappy control harmony. I could pull back on the sti ck > and nothing happened. I just had to feel my way around until the elevator > cable became tight again. I created a fix that approximates the current > factory bell crank and I've attached a photo of it. > In honor of my departed friend Jeff Johnson, the tang used to create the > trim link was off Jeff's EipperFormance FlexiFlier. > Hope this helps a bit. > > > Rick > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Dee LeBlanc wrote: > >> Yes, it=99s a early (old) Mk3. There=99s no SN on the aft en d of the engine >> mount tube. There are two cables shown in the photo. The one in the >> foreground (the one out of focus) is one of the rudder cables. The other >> cable (with the plastic sleeve) is the trim cable that goes all the way >> back do the elevator horn. >> >> Dee LeBlanc >> leblancds(at)cox.net >> cell 225-802-1038 >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> The Past is History >> The Future is a Mystery >> Today is a Gift >> That=99s Why They Call it the Present >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 24, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Richard Girard wrote : >> >> Dee, Is yours an early Mk III? Is there a serial number on the aft end o f >> the engine mount tube? I ask because the bell crank to which the elevato r >> cables are attached is not the latest version. Is the cable that appears in >> this picture: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg the >> trim cable? Does it run all the back to the elevator bell crank at the >> elevator? >> >> Rick Girard >> >> PS If that is a paper fuel filter you ought to consider replacing it wit h >> one that has a synthetic element. Rotax has a service bulletin that >> recommends against using paper elements. If you get ethanol gas there is a >> possibility that water held in suspension by the ethanol can saturate pa per >> element and effectively block the flow of fuel. >> >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:06 PM, Dee One wrote: >> >>> >>> I am nearing completion of my Mk3 rebuild. I would like information on >>> how to install limit stops on the elevator up and elevator down positio ns. >>> I don't see this in the manual that came with my used Mark3. See >>> attachments. A down stop is installed but needs modification; however I see >>> no up stops at all. An up stop is needed because the controls stick hit s >>> the seat. Your input, especially photos, are appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Dee >>> >>> -------- >>> The Past is History >>> The Future is a Mystery >>> Today is a Gift >>> That=99s Why They Call it the Present >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447407#447407 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Attachments: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1189_210.jpg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========== >>> -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >>> ========== >>> FORUMS - >>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> b Site - >>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion >>> ========== >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. =9D Groucho >> Marx <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx> >> >> * >> >> class="">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> class="">http://forums.matronics.com >> class="">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * >> >> >> >> * >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * >> >> > > > -- > =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. =9D Groucho Marx > <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx> > > > > > * > =========== onics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > -- =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dee LeBlanc <leblancds(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Elevator Stops on Mark III
Date: Sep 25, 2015
RightO Rick, my salient need for a elevator stop is because the pivot bolt on the controls dick jams up against the forwards seat rivets; thereby preventing unobstructed aileron control. By the way, do you know how many degrees up and down elevator travel the Mark III is supposed to get? Mine gets 30=C2=B0 up and 25=C2=B0 down before the elevator bell crank starts hitting the aft end of the boom. Dee LeBlanc leblancds(at)cox.net cell 225-802-1038 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Past is History The Future is a Mystery Today is a Gift That=99s Why They Call it the Present > On Sep 25, 2015, at 3:22 PM, Dee LeBlanc wrote: > > Hey Rick, thanks for your response. Sounds like my elevator trim is set up similar to yours; i.e. the springed trim cable goes all the way back to the elevator up control horn (this is independent from the rudder cables). I'm simply looking for a good installation for an elevator up stop. Control stick hitting the seat as mine does is not the best arrangement. > > Thanks for your insight, > Dee LeBlanc > leblancds(at)cox.net > cell 225-802-1038 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Past is History > The Future is a Mystery > Today is a Gift > That=99s Why They Call it the Present > > > > > > > >> On Sep 25, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Richard Girard > wrote: >> >> Dee, What I don't see is how the trim system is set up. This is why I asked about the foreground cable. >> When I got my Mk III the trim cable ran all the way back to the elevator and then back up to the bell crank. The result was that when you pulled trim, the rudder cable went slack and banged around in the boom tube. It really made for some crappy control harmony. I could pull back on the stick and nothing happened. I just had to feel my way around until the elevator cable became tight again. I created a fix that approximates the current factory bell crank and I've attached a photo of it. >> In honor of my departed friend Jeff Johnson, the tang used to create the trim link was off Jeff's EipperFormance FlexiFlier. >> Hope this helps a bit. >> >> >> Rick >> >> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Dee LeBlanc > wrote: >> Yes, it=99s a early (old) Mk3. There=99s no SN on the aft end of the engine mount tube. There are two cables shown in the photo. The one in the foreground (the one out of focus) is one of the rudder cables. The other cable (with the plastic sleeve) is the trim cable that goes all the way back do the elevator horn. >> >> Dee LeBlanc >> leblancds(at)cox.net >> cell 225-802-1038 >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> The Past is History >> The Future is a Mystery >> Today is a Gift >> That=99s Why They Call it the Present >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Sep 24, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Richard Girard > wrote: >>> >>> Dee, Is yours an early Mk III? Is there a serial number on the aft end of the engine mount tube? I ask because the bell crank to which the elevator cables are attached is not the latest version. Is the cable that appears in this picture: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg <http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg> the trim cable? Does it run all the back to the elevator bell crank at the elevator? >>> >>> Rick Girard >>> >>> PS If that is a paper fuel filter you ought to consider replacing it with one that has a synthetic element. Rotax has a service bulletin that recommends against using paper elements. If you get ethanol gas there is a possibility that water held in suspension by the ethanol can saturate paper element and effectively block the flow of fuel. >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:06 PM, Dee One > wrote: > >>> >>> I am nearing completion of my Mk3 rebuild. I would like information on how to install limit stops on the elevator up and elevator down positions. I don't see this in the manual that came with my used Mark3. See attachments. A down stop is installed but needs modification; however I see no up stops at all. An up stop is needed because the controls stick hits the seat. Your input, especially photos, are appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Dee >>> >>> -------- >>> The Past is History >>> The Future is a Mystery >>> Today is a Gift >>> That=99s Why They Call it the Present >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447407#447407 <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447407#447407> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Attachments: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg <http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg> >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1189_210.jpg <http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1189_210.jpg> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========== >>> -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> >>> ========== >>> FORUMS - >>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/> >>> ========== >>> b Site - >>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >>> ========== >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx> >>> >>> >>> >>> class="">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> >>> class="">http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/> >>> class="">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. =9D Groucho Marx <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx> >> >> > > > <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pcking" <pc.king(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: battery/starting issues
Date: Sep 25, 2015
George, And where would we find this little marvel? ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 7:41 AM Subject: Kolb-List: battery/starting issues > >> If I got stuck somewhere with a low battery, unable to start the 912ULS, > I would not be going anywhere. > > I poke around in really remote areas on my various trail bikes. On some, > and > especially on my road bikes, Honda scooters (250cc and 600cc) I like to > monitor the charging system. Hate to have it quit way out there. I can no > longer count on my body to walk back in. Long years ago I was a crew > leader > on a FS hot-shot crew. Now... things are different. Oh- yeah, charging... > I > install a lil LED thingee that shows the state of charge. I would > immediately know if my alternator stopped working or something. These are > cheap and easy to install. They show several levels of charge from flat to > a > red blinking state for over-charging. It goes through off, orange, green, > red blinking red and maybe another. It's orange when I turn the ignition > on. > That shows the battery is good but isn't being charged. Once running, one > gets used to the solid green (around 13.5v - 14.5 IIRC) and if it ever > were > to change it would grab my attention quickly. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 25, 2015
Subject: Video- Boredom Relief
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
https://vimeo.com/140472319 password- owyheeflyer I got a bit bored today, and finely got up enough gumption to roll out the plane. I had no where specific to go, no where to be, so I just wandered. It worked, I was no longer bored and not only that I had a job to do- making a short video. Its kept me busy all the rest of the day. Larry -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: battery/starting issues
From: "GeoB" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Sep 25, 2015
> And where would we find this little marvel? Here is one, much like mine, not exactly. I bought my last one several years ago, still looking for that source in my records. http://www.ebay.com/itm/12v-LED-Battery-charge-alternator-level-indicator-monitor-warning-light-lamp-E-/190401283689?hash=item2c54cd0669 This has dual-range which is nice if you use a trolling motor. Mine doesn't have this. Think mine is smaller in dia.. $16.98 + $2.99 -------- GeoB "Members of Congress should be compelled to wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers, so we could identify their corporate sponsors" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447449#447449 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Photos of your Firestar instrument panel.....
From: "fdeloera" <fdeloera(at)att.net>
Date: Sep 25, 2015
I noticed that some of the panels are extended towards the pilot. How far is it practical to extend the panel away from the original fiberglass surface? Four or five inches or more? -------- Fred Phoenix Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447454#447454 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Video- Boredom Relief
Date: Sep 26, 2015
Hi Larry, hope you get the playback problem sorted. Nice laid back flight. Pat From: Larry Cottrell Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 12:44 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Video- Boredom Relief https://vimeo.com/140472319 password- owyheeflyer I got a bit bored today, and finely got up enough gumption to roll out the plane. I had no where specific to go, no where to be, so I just wandered. It worked, I was no longer bored and not only that I had a job to do- making a short video. Its kept me busy all the rest of the day. Larry -- The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant. If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 26, 2015
Subject: Re: Elevator Stops on Mark III
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Dee, Off the top of my head I'd say +/- 25 degrees sounds about right. After everything settles down later tonight I'll get out my Mk III drawing set and see if it's spec'd there. Rick On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Dee LeBlanc wrote: > RightO Rick, my salient need for a elevator stop is because the pivot bol t > on the controls dick jams up against the forwards seat rivets; thereby > preventing unobstructed aileron control. By the way, do you know how many > degrees up and down elevator travel the Mark III is supposed to get? Mine > gets 30=C2=B0 up and 25=C2=B0 down before the elevator bell crank starts hitting the > aft end of the boom. > > Dee LeBlanc > leblancds(at)cox.net > cell 225-802-1038 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Past is History > The Future is a Mystery > Today is a Gift > That=99s Why They Call it the Present > > > On Sep 25, 2015, at 3:22 PM, Dee LeBlanc wrote: > > Hey Rick, thanks for your response. Sounds like my elevator trim is set u p > similar to yours; i.e. the springed trim cable goes all the way back to t he > elevator up control horn (this is independent from the rudder cables). I' m > simply looking for a good installation for an elevator up stop. Control > stick hitting the seat as mine does is not the best arrangement. > > Thanks for your insight, > Dee LeBlanc > leblancds(at)cox.net > cell 225-802-1038 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Past is History > The Future is a Mystery > Today is a Gift > That=99s Why They Call it the Present > > > On Sep 25, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Richard Girard wrote: > > Dee, What I don't see is how the trim system is set up. This is why I > asked about the foreground cable. > When I got my Mk III the trim cable ran all the way back to the elevator > and then back up to the bell crank. The result was that when you pulled > trim, the rudder cable went slack and banged around in the boom tube. It > really made for some crappy control harmony. I could pull back on the sti ck > and nothing happened. I just had to feel my way around until the elevator > cable became tight again. I created a fix that approximates the current > factory bell crank and I've attached a photo of it. > In honor of my departed friend Jeff Johnson, the tang used to create the > trim link was off Jeff's EipperFormance FlexiFlier. > Hope this helps a bit. > > > Rick > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Dee LeBlanc wrote: > >> Yes, it=99s a early (old) Mk3. There=99s no SN on the aft en d of the engine >> mount tube. There are two cables shown in the photo. The one in the >> foreground (the one out of focus) is one of the rudder cables. The other >> cable (with the plastic sleeve) is the trim cable that goes all the way >> back do the elevator horn. >> >> Dee LeBlanc >> leblancds(at)cox.net >> cell 225-802-1038 >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> The Past is History >> The Future is a Mystery >> Today is a Gift >> That=99s Why They Call it the Present >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 24, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Richard Girard wrote : >> >> Dee, Is yours an early Mk III? Is there a serial number on the aft end o f >> the engine mount tube? I ask because the bell crank to which the elevato r >> cables are attached is not the latest version. Is the cable that appears in >> this picture: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg the >> trim cable? Does it run all the back to the elevator bell crank at the >> elevator? >> >> Rick Girard >> >> PS If that is a paper fuel filter you ought to consider replacing it wit h >> one that has a synthetic element. Rotax has a service bulletin that >> recommends against using paper elements. If you get ethanol gas there is a >> possibility that water held in suspension by the ethanol can saturate pa per >> element and effectively block the flow of fuel. >> >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:06 PM, Dee One wrote: >> >>> >>> I am nearing completion of my Mk3 rebuild. I would like information on >>> how to install limit stops on the elevator up and elevator down positio ns. >>> I don't see this in the manual that came with my used Mark3. See >>> attachments. A down stop is installed but needs modification; however I see >>> no up stops at all. An up stop is needed because the controls stick hit s >>> the seat. Your input, especially photos, are appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Dee >>> >>> -------- >>> The Past is History >>> The Future is a Mystery >>> Today is a Gift >>> That=99s Why They Call it the Present >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447407#447407 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Attachments: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1189_210.jpg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========== >>> -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >>> ========== >>> FORUMS - >>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> b Site - >>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion >>> ========== >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. =9D Groucho >> Marx <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx> >> >> * >> >> class="">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> class="">http://forums.matronics.com >> class="">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * >> >> >> >> * >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * >> >> > > > -- > =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. =9D Groucho Marx > <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx> > > > > > * > > class="">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > class="">http://forums.matronics.com > class="">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > * > =========== onics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > -- =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Video- Boredom Relief
Date: Sep 27, 2015
Larry, Today I drove along a road where I had a view across Salisbury Plain. I flew low level there once and it made me think of your video. It was a good many years ago and I was returning from one of my usual one hour to 90 minute evening flights. Usually in a big circuit. For some reason I cut a corner and flew over an unfamiliar couple of miles of grassland. It was well away from any building behind some army shooting butts.I went down low, very low and was charging across this large field with tall grasses. I was being stupid and flying with the wheels just above the grass. Suddenly a deer leapt in the air from the tall grass, right in front of me..It didn`t run or give me any warning, it just erupted smack bang on the nose. I can only assume that I was so low that the sound of the engine scared it. I have no idea how I missed it, I assume that I automatically pulled up and skipped over the damn thing. It gave me the fright of my life. I have had an engine quit on me a couple of times and that is guaranteed to get your attention. This was much worse. I shook for an hour and it cured me of being terminally stupid. For a whole week anyway. It has often occurred to me since and I saw myself writing to my Insurance. Dear Sir, you see, there was this deer...... Cheers Pat From: Larry Cottrell Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 12:44 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Video- Boredom Relief https://vimeo.com/140472319 password- owyheeflyer I got a bit bored today, and finely got up enough gumption to roll out the plane. I had no where specific to go, no where to be, so I just wandered. It worked, I was no longer bored and not only that I had a job to do- making a short video. Its kept me busy all the rest of the day. Larry -- The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant. If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 27, 2015
Subject: Re: Video- Boredom Relief
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Pat wrote: "This was much worse. I shook for an hour and it cured me of being terminally stupid. For a whole week anyway." What are you trying to say? :-) One year John Hauck, John Williamson, were arriving on a windy day after a long flight from Alabama and Texas. There was a pretty nasty cross wind and as John touched down, an Antelope Buck erupted out of the Sage right in front of him. Hard to say which was the most frightened. On a side note, I was able to feed them a meal from that same Buck the next year. I once asked John W about his style of flight, and what would happen if something went bad. His answer was- "Its going to hurt, isn't it". He accepted the consequences, and I am willing to do the same. Larry On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Patrick Ladd wrote: > Larry, > Today I drove along a road where I had a view across Salisbury Plain. I > flew low level there once and it made me think of your video. It was a > good many years ago and I was returning from one of my usual one hour to 90 > minute evening flights. Usually in a big circuit. For some reason I cut a > corner and flew over an unfamiliar couple of miles of grassland. It was > well away from any building behind some army shooting butts.I went down > low, very low and was charging across this large field with tall grasses. I > was being stupid and flying with the wheels just above the grass. Suddenly > a deer leapt in the air from the tall grass, right in front of me..It > didn`t run or give me any warning, it just erupted smack bang on the nose. > I can only assume that I was so low that the sound of the engine scared it. > I have no idea how I missed it, I assume that I automatically pulled up and > skipped over the damn thing. It gave me the fright of my life. I have had > an engine quit on me a couple of times and that is guaranteed to get your > attention. This was much worse. I shook for an hour and it cured me of > being terminally stupid. For a whole week anyway. It has often occurred to > me since and I saw myself writing to my Insurance. Dear Sir, you see, there > was this deer...... > Cheers > Pat > *From:* Larry Cottrell > *Sent:* Saturday, September 26, 2015 12:44 AM > *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Kolb-List: Video- Boredom Relief > > https://vimeo.com/140472319 password- owyheeflyer > > I got a bit bored today, and finely got up enough gumption to roll out the > plane. I had no where specific to go, no where to be, so I just wandered. > It worked, I was no longer bored and not only that I had a job to do- > making a short video. Its kept me busy all the rest of the day. > Larry > > -- > *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* > > *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending.* > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com ">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution ">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > * > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Video- Boredom Relief
Date: Sep 27, 2015
Me scared? YES! john h mkIII Wendover, Nevada and Bonneville Salt Flats, Utah From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 3:36 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Video- Boredom Relief Pat wrote: "This was much worse. I shook for an hour and it cured me of being terminally stupid. For a whole week anyway." What are you trying to say? :-) One year John Hauck, John Williamson, were arriving on a windy day after a long flight from Alabama and Texas. There was a pretty nasty cross wind and as John touched down, an Antelope Buck erupted out of the Sage right in front of him. Hard to say which was the most frightened. On a side note, I was able to feed them a meal from that same Buck the next year. I once asked John W about his style of flight, and what would happen if something went bad. His answer was- "Its going to hurt, isn't it". He accepted the consequences, and I am willing to do the same. Larry On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Patrick Ladd wrote: Larry, Today I drove along a road where I had a view across Salisbury Plain. I flew low level there once and it made me think of your video. It was a good many years ago and I was returning from one of my usual one hour to 90 minute evening flights. Usually in a big circuit. For some reason I cut a corner and flew over an unfamiliar couple of miles of grassland. It was well away from any building behind some army shooting butts.I went down low, very low and was charging across this large field with tall grasses. I was being stupid and flying with the wheels just above the grass. Suddenly a deer leapt in the air from the tall grass, right in front of me..It didn`t run or give me any warning, it just erupted smack bang on the nose. I can only assume that I was so low that the sound of the engine scared it. I have no idea how I missed it, I assume that I automatically pulled up and skipped over the damn thing. It gave me the fright of my life. I have had an engine quit on me a couple of times and that is guaranteed to get your attention. This was much worse. I shook for an hour and it cured me of being terminally stupid. For a whole week anyway. It has often occurred to me since and I saw myself writing to my Insurance. Dear Sir, you see, there was this deer...... Cheers Pat From: Larry Cottrell <mailto:lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 12:44 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Video- Boredom Relief https://vimeo.com/140472319 password- owyheeflyer I got a bit bored today, and finely got up enough gumption to roll out the plane. I had no where specific to go, no where to be, so I just wandered. It worked, I was no longer bored and not only that I had a job to do- making a short video. Its kept me busy all the rest of the day. Larry -- The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant. If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant. If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Video- Boredom Relief
From: "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 28, 2015
> I once asked John W about his style of flight, and what would happen if something went bad. His answer was- "Its going to hurt, isn't it". He accepted the consequences, and I am willing to do the same. > Larry > Larry, flying low in a desert is a lot different than in the midwest where there are people, towers, power lines, etc. Here in Minnesota, we have over 10,000 lakes and during the winter months we can fly low over them without the fear of hitting anything as long as we stay out of the way of cars, ice houses, and people. I don't think you are as much at risk. Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000+ hours 28 years flying it Kolbra 912ULS N20386 500 hours Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447503#447503 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 28, 2015
Subject: Re: Video- Boredom Relief
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Definitely true. I admit to being both blessed and spoiled. Larry On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Ralph B wrote: > > > > I once asked John W about his style of flight, and what would happen if > something went bad. His answer was- "Its going to hurt, isn't it". He > accepted the consequences, and I am willing to do the same. > > Larry > > > > > Larry, flying low in a desert is a lot different than in the midwest where > there are people, towers, power lines, etc. Here in Minnesota, we have over > 10,000 lakes and during the winter months we can fly low over them without > the fear of hitting anything as long as we stay out of the way of cars, ice > houses, and people. I don't think you are as much at risk. > > Ralph > > -------- > Ralph B > Original Firestar 447 > N91493 E-AB > 1000+ hours > 28 years flying it > > Kolbra 912ULS > N20386 > 500 hours > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447503#447503 > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Firestar 1 forsale
From: "heliguy02" <heliguy02(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 30, 2015
Older Firestar 1. 377 engine, brakes, new 5 gallon tank, new tires, rebuilt engine with low hours. Runs excellent. BRS in picture is not included. $5200 Call for more info. 812-314-1648 Thanks, Tony Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447558#447558 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_182.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Inquiry - Firestar II SS
From: "kenw" <worthken67(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 02, 2015
I am interested in any available Firestar II SS info pics, The good, bad or ugly... Considering new build project. Any advice/suggestions is appreciated. -------- kenw Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447605#447605 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kirk Smith" <kirk.smith(at)frontier.com>
Subject: Re: Inquiry - Firestar II SS
Date: Oct 02, 2015
-----Original Message----- From: kenw Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 7:10 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Inquiry - Firestar II SS I am interested in any available Firestar II SS info pics, The good, bad or ugly... Considering new build project. Any advice/suggestions is appreciated. -------- kenw Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447605#447605 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dee LeBlanc <leblancds(at)cox.net>
Subject: Center-of-Gravity for Mark 3
Date: Oct 03, 2015
I just completed the weight-and-balance for my newly rebuilt Mark3 (see attached file). I don=99t have a manual for this plane. Can anyone tell me what the acceptable center-of-gravity range is for a Mk3 (as a distance from the leading edge)? Per my calculations, I=99m getting numbers that show a substantially aft center-of-gravity. I=99 m getting, depending on loading condition COG ranging from 21.94=9D to 29.34=9D. One entry on the matronics website indicate that the range should be from 16.5=9D to 23.1=9D from the leading edge??? Thanks for your help, Dee LeBlanc leblancds(at)cox.net cell 225-802-1038 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Past is History The Future is a Mystery Today is a Gift That=99s Why They Call it the Present ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Center-of-Gravity for Mark 3
From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
Date: Oct 03, 2015
According to the original manual, the cg is determined as a percentage of the chord, rather than a specific number of inches. http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/Lexan%20rear%20enclosure.html Go to page 40 on the link, it is on 3 pages total, 40-43. Looking at your figures, I realize that my answer is not exactly what you need, sort of an apples and oranges thing - here is how I did mine using the manual; see attachment. Hope this helps. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447622#447622 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wt_and_bal_form_medium_726.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Center-of-Gravity for Mark 3
From: "Larlaeb" <larlaeb(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 03, 2015
The range I use for my MkIII is: Aft CG Limit is 23.1" or 35% of wing chord Forward CG Limit is 16.5" or 25% of wing chord Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447625#447625 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Kolb Mk III Classic for sale
From: "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 04, 2015
Hi, Gang, I decided to make a walk-around video to accompany my Barnstormers ad for the Kolb. The link below is to You Tube. Hope you enjoy it! Dave http://youtu.be/dwpU42ViVDA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447629#447629 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New (free) Aviation App
From: "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 04, 2015
Thank you iPhone users for waiting out the IOS 9 upgrade while the Airport Courtesy Car app was down. The app is back up for all users and the layout and look of the app has been upgraded also. The listings continue to grow, currently at over 1,520, and approaches 25,000 launches. Please continue to send in listings I have missed or corrections that need to be made and I will get right on them. And if you use and like the app, please consider a small donation to help with expenses, even the tip that you leave on the lunch counter is appreciated. There are PayPal links on the app, and my mailing address is also listed within the app. Glenn -------- Glenn Brasch RV-9A Flying 1952 Piper Tri-Pacer Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret) Tucson, Arizona Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447661#447661 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 04, 2015
From: Bob Underwood <bob.pipercolt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Center-of-Gravity for Mark 3
Hi DeeMy Mark 3 Builders Manual show the same numbers as you have, 16.5" to 23.1". I hope that helps. Bob On Saturday, October 3, 2015 4:54 PM, Dee LeBlanc wrote: I just completed the weight-and-balance for my newly rebuilt Mark3 (see at tached file). =C2-I don=99t have a manual for this plane. Can anyon e tell me what the acceptable center-of-gravity range is for a Mk3 (as a di stance from the leading edge)? =C2-Per my calculations, I=99m getti ng numbers that show a substantially aft center-of-gravity. I=99m get ting, depending on loading condition COG ranging from 21.94=9D to 29. 34=9D. =C2- One entry on the matronics website indicate that the ra nge should be from 16.5=9D to 23.1=9D from the leading edge??? Thanks for your help, Dee LeBlancleblancds(at)cox.netcell 225-802-1038~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The Past is Hi storyThe Future is a MysteryToday is a GiftThat=99s Why They Call it the Present ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 05, 2015
Subject: October flight
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
I replaced the tail wheel springs on my plane with ones from Aircraft Spruce ( Compression Springs). It was obvious that the springs that I had were too wimpy to do the job, but the big rudder allowed me to get where I wanted to go with no real problems. I still decided that I would follow the recommendations that I kept getting, and see if they really were that much better. When I got them in the mail, I was surprised at how stiff they were. So as usual, I contacted John Hauck to get his opinion. He assured me that I would like them when I tried them. I finely ran out of excuses and since it was a typical fine October day, I decided that I could at least try the springs out. I considered whether or not I would put the camera on the plane as I was fairly sure that I would not be doing anything either risky or noteworthy, or even new. Then I decided that if something did come up I would berate myself for not having recorded it. After all I don't have to go to the trouble of making a video. I had no where to go after I got off the ground, but the air was quite nice, and the clarity of the air was such, that I just followed the whims of the admiring eye. I kept seeing things that I wanted to see better and the first thing I knew I had flown for about 49 minutes. I had promised the wife that I would clean the chimney today, so I had that to do before she went to town with the lady next door. (three miles away) I got the chimney cleaned and read for winter before the neighbor came over and they left me to my own entertainment. I decided to look at the video that I had taken and one thing lead to another and here it is. https://vimeo.com/141479109 password- owyheeflyer. Perhaps there is a video makers support group somewhere that could help me kick this habit? Oh by the way, I like the springs. Thanks John, Larry -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 07, 2015
From: mojavjoe(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Inquiry - Firestar II SS
Hi kenw I'm in the process of building a side by side. I've rebuilt wings and tail feathers from my Firestar II that has in a freakish strong wind storm, and wasted a whole lot of hours designing and building a larger fuel tank and b raking system (which I'm using)=C2-and ailerons and elevates (which were heaver then original and were scrapped). I've just installed the tail boom and will be rigging the wings soon. =C2- I have the photos of my building progress for the FAA inspector but I'm not sure if that's what you want. I'll post subject matter I have but you woul d get a better view by watching Bryan Malcome on you tube building a firest ar. =C2- When I picked up my frame at Klob, they were finishing a side by side, I do n't knew who it belonged to but if you contact Bryan M.=C2-at Kolb he wou ld give you info of that and other=C2-builds. =C2- Yours Mojavjoe =C2- =C2- ----- Original Message ----- From: "kenw" <worthken67(at)gmail.com> Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 7:10:17 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Inquiry - Firestar II SS I am interested in any available Firestar II SS info pics, =C2-The good, bad or ugly... Considering new build project. Any advice/suggestions is appreciated. -------- kenw Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447605#447605 =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: World Ultralight Fly-In
From: "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 07, 2015
Hi, Gang, In case you're interested, this Saturday is the World Ultralight Fly-in. You can get details at this website. http://www.daytonultralights.com/wufi-.html I plan to participate if the weather permits in Pompano. Experimentals, LSA's, Ultralights... everyone who flies lilght aircraft is welcome to particiipate in the "40th anniversary of Ultralights" celebration. WUFI! Dave MkIII Classic Pompano Beach, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447743#447743 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Center-of-Gravity for Mark 3
From: "Dee One" <leblancds(at)cox.net>
Date: Oct 08, 2015
Just completed the weight and balance utilizing a more accurate digital scale. The results seem to be reasonable with no nose balanced required. Attached are the results if you'd like to see them. Thanks for everyone's help. Dee -------- The Past is History The Future is a Mystery Today is a Gift Thats Why They Call it the Present Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447750#447750 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/weight_and_balance_final1_118.xlsx http://forums.matronics.com//files/weight_and_balance_final1_158.xlsx ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 07, 2015
Subject: yet another video
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
I got a call from an acquaintance that had bought a Firestar last year. He had a lot of work to do on it, and I had not heard from him all spring and summer. He and a couple of Gyro friends were on the Alvord, and he wanted me to come visit. Even though I had quite a lot to do, the Firestar began its siren song, so what the heck. I could always work, flying weather is another story. The day was just gorgeous, and the wind was less than one mile per hour, and forecast to stay that way until evening. I actually had not been to the Alvord more than twice this year, so it was a good excuse. I climbed to 1500 agl and leaned out the mixture until I had reached 1330 EGT's. For whatever reason my HKS is not registering my RPM's, so I guessed at cruise speed. Since I averaged 69 MPH both directions, I think I might have been on the high end of my cruise range. As I crossed over Coyote Lake, I could see a line of Wild Horses trotting across the Playa to the South end of the Lake bed. Even at 1500 feet above the lake bed, they still run when they hear a plane. I also noticed that some one was camping behind one of the Sage Islands in the middle of the playa. Talk about solitude, that is "getting away". The air was silky smooth, I hardly had to touch the stick other than to correct for wind drift. The trip back was not so smooth, as the thermals had kicked in by the time I left. https://vimeo.com/141750685 password- owyheeflyer As I flew over I noticed that I had almost gotten to the Alvord and still had not burned one gallon of fuel. I watched the fuel gauge and when it registered one gallon burned I was showing 27 miles traveled. Not bad at all. Hopefully the reason that the list is so dead is that every one is taking advantage of the great fall weather and is too busy flying. It will not last forever, better get out there, while you can. Larry -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: yet another video
From: "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 08, 2015
Watching your latest video is enough to make me a bit home sick for Southern California. Lake El Mirage, Soggy Dry Lake and others look just like the lake at Alvord you show, Right down the the mountains in the background. All that flat straight lake bed is how I learned to fly in a Weedhopper. -------- West1m Hastings, MN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447760#447760 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/weedhopper_108.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: yet another video
From: "GeoB" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Oct 09, 2015
Larry, what provision have you made for an engine-out far from home? Do you have communication with home? Some fancy electronic emergency gadget? I have been ruminating on various solutions for myself. -------- GeoB "Members of Congress should be compelled to wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers, so we could identify their corporate sponsors" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447767#447767 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: yet another video
From: "GeoB" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Oct 09, 2015
west1m wrote: > Lake El Mirage, Soggy Dry Lake I have a Kasperwing that I have yet to assemble. I tore it apart for shipping and life happened. The manufacturer provided a Home DIY teach-yourself-to-fly section. The KW is weight shift for pitch, has a yoke for steering, and a way to deploy the spoilers as air brakes. Supposed to weigh 180 lbs, TO at 18 mph. The deal is the motion you would use in GA for pitch- pushing/pulling the yoke, is opposite in the KW. Pulling on the yoke (swinging your weight forward in the slung seat) makes you pitch down, not up. Well, you can see where I am going with this. I can't think of a decent way to get training on this before committing flight. I have been thinking about hauling it down to El Mirage or one of the others for training/practice. One good thing about El Mirage is that they generally have medical personnel and an ambulance standing by on weekends. Not sure of other times. i welcome comments, but please- I have been on these forums for years and I have read all the warnings and predictions about being self-taught. Let's just gimme credit for reading and understanding them so you guys don't feel the need to repeat them. -------- GeoB "Members of Congress should be compelled to wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers, so we could identify their corporate sponsors" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447768#447768 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 09, 2015
Subject: Re: yet another video
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
About the only thing that I can use in that circumstance is a Spot. The Spot has the capability of sending locations, calling for help, and sending a 911 emergency call. It also, as you can see from the attachment, that by clicking on the spots location it will give you the lat and long. on a map. This model sends a location every 10 minutes. There are newer ones that can be programmed for any length of time that you require. Kolbs are generally slow enough that 10 minutes will put you very close. :-) I always wear clothing suitable for a cross country hike, for what ever good that does. I just don't want to hike home wearing house slippers. Under most circumstances, I feel that I can survive an off field landing. I of course carry a first aid kit, and sundry survival gear. The plane is set up with larger tires, spring steel landing legs, the best engine I can get. I have a base station at home that will reach as far as 60 miles or more away, for a possible "Mayday". The other choice is watching TV. Larry On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 2:33 AM, GeoB wrote: > > Larry, what provision have you made for an engine-out far from home? Do > you have communication with home? Some fancy electronic emergency gadget? I > have been ruminating on various solutions for myself. > > -------- > GeoB > > "Members of Congress should be compelled to wear uniforms like NASCAR > drivers, so we could identify their corporate sponsors" > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447767#447767 > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: October flight
Date: Oct 09, 2015
Glad you like your new compression tail wheel springs. Probably first time you have taxied with tail wheel steering. ;-) john h mkIII Somewhere in the desert on the Utah/Nevada Border, Hwy 50. From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 8:02 PM Subject: Kolb-List: October flight I replaced the tail wheel springs on my plane with ones from Aircraft Spruce ( Compression Springs). It was obvious that the springs that I had were too wimpy to do the job, but the big rudder allowed me to get where I wanted to go with no real problems. I still decided that I would follow the recommendations that I kept getting, and see if they really were that much better. When I got them in the mail, I was surprised at how stiff they were. So as usual, I contacted John Hauck to get his opinion. He assured me that I would like them when I tried them. I finely ran out of excuses and since it was a typical fine October day, I decided that I could at least try the springs out. I considered whether or not I would put the camera on the plane as I was fairly sure that I would not be doing anything either risky or noteworthy, or even new. Then I decided that if something did come up I would berate myself for not having recorded it. After all I don't have to go to the trouble of making a video. I had no where to go after I got off the ground, but the air was quite nice, and the clarity of the air was such, that I just followed the whims of the admiring eye. I kept seeing things that I wanted to see better and the first thing I knew I had flown for about 49 minutes. I had promised the wife that I would clean the chimney today, so I had that to do before she went to town with the lady next door. (three miles away) I got the chimney cleaned and read for winter before the neighbor came over and they left me to my own entertainment. I decided to look at the video that I had taken and one thing lead to another and here it is. https://vimeo.com/141479109 password- owyheeflyer. Perhaps there is a video makers support group somewhere that could help me kick this habit? Oh by the way, I like the springs. Thanks John, Larry -- The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant. If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: yet another video
Date: Oct 09, 2015
Kasperwings don't have much in common with Kolb aircraft, so I don't have much advice for flying one. If you decide to takeoff with zero experience, please don't inadvertently injure or kill an innocent bystander. john h mkIII Marysvale, Utah -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of GeoB Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 2:45 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: yet another video west1m wrote: > Lake El Mirage, Soggy Dry Lake I have a Kasperwing that I have yet to assemble. I tore it apart for shipping and life happened. The manufacturer provided a Home DIY teach-yourself-to-fly section. The KW is weight shift for pitch, has a yoke for steering, and a way to deploy the spoilers as air brakes. Supposed to weigh 180 lbs, TO at 18 mph. The deal is the motion you would use in GA for pitch- pushing/pulling the yoke, is opposite in the KW. Pulling on the yoke (swinging your weight forward in the slung seat) makes you pitch down, not up. Well, you can see where I am going with this. I can't think of a decent way to get training on this before committing flight. I have been thinking about hauling it down to El Mirage or one of the others for training/practice. One good thing about El Mirage is that they generally have medical personnel and an ambulance standing by on weekends. Not sure of other times. i welcome comments, but please- I have been on these forums for years and I have read all the warnings and predictions about being self-taught. Let's just gimme credit for reading and understanding them so you guys don't feel the need to repeat them. -------- GeoB "Members of Congress should be compelled to wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers, so we could identify their corporate sponsors" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447768#447768 = Photoshare, and much much more: = = = ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: yet another video
From: "GeoB" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Oct 09, 2015
lcottrell wrote: > The other choice is watching TV. I hear you. I made that decision years ago. I do a lot by myself, camping, motorcycling as far from civilization as I can get, and not-so-mild 4x4ing. Some of it gets dicey at times. Yes, I am expecting to get Spot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AvYbpiCUwg Having a winch doesn't mean you won't get stuck- it just means you'll get stuck worse and further away from help. -------- GeoB "Members of Congress should be compelled to wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers, so we could identify their corporate sponsors" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447795#447795 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: World Ultralight Fly-In
From: "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 10, 2015
Here is my official photo showing participation in the WUFI. It's taken 400 ft over the water at Hillsboro Inlet Lighthouse, in Pompano Beach, FL. Hope other Kolbers were able to participate! Dave Watkins Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447805#447805 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_450.jpeg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: yet another video
From: Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 11, 2015
There are other choices. For pure emergency use, a PLB would probably be better, with no fees. http://www.outdoorgearlab.com/Personal-Locator-Beacon-Reviews/Buying-Advice Even an old 121mhz ELT (relatively cheap & still available) might suffice, if you've got friends/loved ones who know which direction you went & can call in the cavalry and point in the right direction. Charlie On 10/10/2015 12:55 AM, GeoB wrote: > > > lcottrell wrote: >> The other choice is watching TV. > > I hear you. I made that decision years ago. I do a lot by myself, camping, motorcycling as far from civilization as I can get, and not-so-mild 4x4ing. Some of it gets dicey at times. > > Yes, I am expecting to get Spot. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AvYbpiCUwg > > Having a winch doesn't mean you won't get stuck- it just means you'll get stuck worse and further away from help. > > -------- > GeoB ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: yet another video
From: "GeoB" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Oct 12, 2015
Thanks for the great suggestion! -------- GeoB "Members of Congress should be compelled to wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers, so we could identify their corporate sponsors" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447838#447838 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: What will you replace your rotax 447 with?
From: "Keith84" <keithdienelt(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 16, 2015
I have 70 hours on my 447 after 3 months of flying and I am starting to think ahead. Instead of rebuilding the rotax wouldnt it be wiser to buy a current production engine? I spent sometime on jack b harts page and he it looks like he is a big fan of the mz4. It seems our current options are the mz34, victor1+, maybe mz201, h-33, and kawasaki 440. Is there any I am missing? What your opinions on what or if to replace the 447 with? -------- 98' Kolb FireFly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=448014#448014 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net>
Subject: What will you replace your rotax 447 with?
Date: Oct 16, 2015
Well the price of a 447 rebuild, especially if you have the mandatory crank replacement, puts you well on the way towards a new engine. The new Hirth would be way up on my list. The 2702 is the closest replacement for the 447. Also very interesting is the F-23 opposed cylinder unit. Weighs a lot less and has more HP than the 447. At the rate I am putting hours on my 447 it will probably last me the rest of my life. :( At the very least, it should last until there is a good electric alternative. With 5 Gal. of fuel providing 1.5 hours of flight for a weight of 130# the Rotax is a pretty good setup. But with a 10# motor, how much battery weight does it take to fly 1.5 hours? Not there yet, but hopefully in the next few years... On the other hand, if your 447 is performing well and can be rebuilt for a reasonable price, you might be able to get another service cycle out of it. By then, who knows what will be available? A tough decision that only you can make when it comes to reliability/convenience/dollars, etc. Stuart -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith84 Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 1:04 PM Subject: Kolb-List: What will you replace your rotax 447 with? I have 70 hours on my 447 after 3 months of flying and I am starting to think ahead. Instead of rebuilding the rotax wouldnt it be wiser to buy a current production engine? I spent sometime on jack b harts page and he it looks like he is a big fan of the mz4. It seems our current options are the mz34, victor1+, maybe mz201, h-33, and kawasaki 440. Is there any I am missing? What your opinions on what or if to replace the 447 with? -------- 98' Kolb FireFly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=448014#448014 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: legs
From: kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 16, 2015
Pat Its October and then some. Did you get your Spit flight? Hope so. Fair winds, Russ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: What will you replace your rotax 447 with?
From: "Keith84" <keithdienelt(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 16, 2015
It really seems like electric is a long ways away. Even when it becomes possible in a part 103 application I assume it will cost a fortune. Interestingly enough, I met a fellow a few months ago that designed his own plane and is going through the process of getting his plane certified (through the faa?). He said it would be an electric hybrid 5 passanger plane. It would have a very small deisel generator onboard that would contine to charge its batteries in flight. I forget what the performance specs were but they pretty impressive. Anyways, i doubt such an idea could be impletmented in a part 103 plane, but who knows!!! -------- 98' Kolb FireFly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=448026#448026 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: legs
Date: Oct 17, 2015
Hi mate, Not due until the end of the month. Thank goodness as I am suffering from a very heavy cold/flu/sore throat/loss of voice etc at the moment. Some American friends came to stay and we took them to Wales for a few days. They had been in Berlin and Prague and one was suffering from the this nasty when they arrived. As it happens my daughter has been in Prague making a film and has gone down with the same thing so it may be some odd strain going around. I was scheduled to give a talk to a Lunch Club locally (How I broke my leg hang gliding) and our friends had extended their stay by 24 hours so that he could accompany me to hear me speak. During our time away in Wales I lost my voice completely and had to unscramble the whole arrangement. The Yanks departed last Thursday and I have been in bed ever since.Even passed up my usual drink with mates this morning. i will let you know when (and if, the weather is deteriorating) the flight happens. Cheers Pat -----Original Message----- From: kinne russ Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 11:26 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: legs Pat Its October and then some. Did you get your Spit flight? Hope so. Fair winds, Russ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Apologies
Date: Oct 17, 2015
Whoops. Sorry about sending my private message to Russ to the whole list. I just hit reply..and there you go. Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: What will you replace your rotax 447 with?
Date: Oct 17, 2015

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