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Subject: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra
From: "dirtracin" <igetthebug(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 23, 2016
here are a few pics of what I'm dealing with... The wing is set at 3.4 degrees and is in contact with the flap tang/flange... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461535#461535 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/14716218_899158316881130_8794337127641064577_n_259.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra
From: "dirtracin" <igetthebug(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 23, 2016
here you can see the contact between the flap flange and the wing root when set at the 3.4 degrees... if I move the wing out then I dont have enough room to pin the wing root to the fuselage... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461536#461536 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/14724609_899158313547797_8819378937121285255_n_516.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/14721753_899158320214463_5055405320923361270_n_102.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra
From: "dirtracin" <igetthebug(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 23, 2016
there is an easy fix for this... If I'm doing this correctly... it looks like the flap rod that goes out to each side could be cut down a little and replaced... but I need to know what I'm doing is right before I go cutting stuff... I did do a search on incidence and it seems the older kolbs with the short landing gear used a different angle of incidence... ok I have the old version, but I have the newer longer curved landing gear... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461538#461538 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 23, 2016
New Fuselage and old wings? The root ribs look different...? Herb On 10/23/2016 09:15 AM, dirtracin wrote: > > here are a few pics of what I'm dealing with... The wing is set at 3.4 degrees and is in contact with the flap tang/flange... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461535#461535 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/14716218_899158316881130_8794337127641064577_n_259.jpg > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 23, 2016
Isn't that root rib mounting tab in the wrong location? Been a while and the one I rebuilt was a MkIII C.. Herb On 10/23/2016 09:20 AM, dirtracin wrote: > > here you can see the contact between the flap flange and the wing root when set at the 3.4 degrees... if I move the wing out then I dont have enough room to pin the wing root to the fuselage... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461536#461536 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/14724609_899158313547797_8819378937121285255_n_516.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/14721753_899158320214463_5055405320923361270_n_102.jpg > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra
From: "dirtracin" <igetthebug(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 23, 2016
It was bought as an unfinished kit... some of the parts were assembled when i bought it... at some point i think some of the parts where stored outdoors... the fuselage was pretty rusty before i had it powder coated so it looks newer than the wings... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461541#461541 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 23, 2016
Looks as if all of the regular kolbers are off doing something else...? Naturally, Bryan at the factory would be glad to help.. I am wondering about the root rib more than anything at the moment...perhaps some pictures with a larger view might help...? Herb On 10/23/2016 10:02 AM, dirtracin wrote: > > It was bought as an unfinished kit... some of the parts were assembled when i bought it... at some point i think some of the parts where stored outdoors... the fuselage was pretty rusty before i had it powder coated so it looks newer than the wings... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461541#461541 > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra
From: "dirtracin" <igetthebug(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 23, 2016
lowering the wings has now created a new problem... the gap seal I have cannot work with the wings that low... the leading edge of the wing now sits lower than the upper windshield mount/bar... yet the gap seal I have the leading edge would have to be above the windshield mount/bar... I think I will just call Bryan tomorrow... thanks for responding... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461546#461546 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 23, 2016
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra
The book says 1.4 degrees, and you say you set it at 3.4 degrees and it won't fit. Why the difference? -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 10/23/16, dirtracin wrote: Subject: Kolb-List: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Date: Sunday, October 23, 2016, 8:40 AM "dirtracin" I got that info straight from my manual... I do have the 11th Mk3 Xtra.. So there maybe some differences from the newer models... I did set the wings at 3.4 last night which put me inline with the tab on the wing root but now the wing root is in contact with the flap tangs that stick out through the fuselage... And when I moved the wing outward to clear the flap tangs now the wing root tab that mounts to the fuselage is to far out to be pinned to the fuselage... Something is not right!.. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461530#461530 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img008_162.jpg Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - MATRONICS LIST WIKI - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 23, 2016
Subject: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra
If it's an old 3X are the leading edges of the horizontal stabilizer set in the middle of the boom tube or near the top edge? The Mark 3C would have them set near the top edge and the early X's also used this setting. If you mix the "C" setting of the HS with the lower wing incidence of the "X" your airplane will not fly correctly. Rick On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 10:58 AM, dirtracin wrote: > > lowering the wings has now created a new problem... the gap seal I have > cannot work with the wings that low... the leading edge of the wing now > sits lower than the upper windshield mount/bar... yet the gap seal I have > the leading edge would have to be above the windshield mount/bar... I thi nk > I will just call Bryan tomorrow... thanks for responding... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461546#461546 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 23, 2016
Subject: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra
Just realized I forgot about the gap cover. Yep, the "C" cover will not work with the "X" (latest) wing incidence setting. Attached are pictures of the one I made for the PfH. Rick PS Found the incidence numbers I used, although setting the motor mount at zero is a PITA, you end up the nose on the ground and the tail in the rafters. :-} 1) with motor mount set at level in BOTH directions, i.e.--0 degrees 2) boom tube should be -6.1 deg (mine was!!) 3) hor. stab should be -4.6 deg 4) dihedral should be 1.6 degrees per wing (I chose 2.7, because my diagonal struts were already made. When repositioning the wings to the new lower position, this has the effect of adding dihedral) 5) main wing should be +3.4 deg, but this has been revised to +2.8 deg After looking at the numbers I began to wonder if you aren't confusing the dihedral setting with the incidence setting. Just a thought. On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Richard Girard wrote : > Just realized I forgot about the gap cover. Yep, the "C" cover will not > work with the "X" (latest) wing incidence setting. Attached are pictures of > the one I made for the PfH. > > Rick > > PS Found the incidence numbers I used, although setting the motor mount a t > zero is a PITA, you end up the nose on the ground and the tail in the > rafters. :-} After looking at the numbers I began to wonder if you aren't > confusing the dihedral setting with the incidence setting. Just a thought . > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Richard Girard > wrote: > >> If it's an old 3X are the leading edges of the horizontal stabilizer set >> in the middle of the boom tube or near the top edge? >> The Mark 3C would have them set near the top edge and the early X's also >> used this setting. If you mix the "C" setting of the HS with the lower w ing >> incidence of the "X" your airplane will not fly correctly. >> >> Rick >> >> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 10:58 AM, dirtracin wrote : >> >>> >>> lowering the wings has now created a new problem... the gap seal I have >>> cannot work with the wings that low... the leading edge of the wing now >>> sits lower than the upper windshield mount/bar... yet the gap seal I ha ve >>> the leading edge would have to be above the windshield mount/bar... I t hink >>> I will just call Bryan tomorrow... thanks for responding... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461546#461546 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. =9D Groucho >> Marx <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx> >> >> > > > -- > =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. =9D Groucho Marx > <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx> > > -- =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 23, 2016
I have an Xtra that is the same vintage as yours (within 2 numbers). I ordered a MarkIII and then changed it when the Xtra came out. I called Brian in July, 2011 when I started final rigging. The numbers he gave me are very close to Rick's. At Motor mount of 0 degrees, wing is 3.4, boom is -6.1, horiz. stab is -4.8 (I have the larger horiz. stab.). I set my D.H. so the tips are about 2 1/4" high each side. I also have the longer heavy steel legs from Kolb. Be sure to take several readings and average them. Those numbers have worked great for me. I think the u-joints on the wing can be turned upside down and that also Kolb has make some a little different. I don't remember the details or exactly what I had to do to get his numbers. I do remember that it was a lot of hassle going back and forth. Change one thing and you affect everything else. You might call Brian if nothing seems to work. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461554#461554 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 24, 2016
If you use a digital level you can set it on the motor mount and "zero"it. Then you can take your readings as the plane is sitting. Also, I taped the level to the bottom of a longer precision level to measure the wing angle on the bottom of every other rib. You may be surprised at the deviation. Just average them and try to make the outboard end of the wings close to the same angle so you have an even stall. The more I think about it I may have turned the back wing u-joints upside down or used some that Kolb made with the holes in a different location. Can't remember, but I do remember that Brian had some suggestions. I think the older "blue" manual had some good tips and suggestions that were not incorporated in the newer one. I could scan the wing set up part and send it to you offline if you want. I could also send you pictures of my front and back wing attachment points if you wish. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461561#461561 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 24, 2016
From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 7/16 x .028 shims
Kolbers , On my Firefly construction Im told to cut two shims of 4130 7/16 x 028 I believe they will be about 1/8 each or less I dont have any tubing of that size laying around so i called Aircraft Spruce and they dont have a ny either the thinnest wall that they have is .035 so i thought maybe someo ne on the list might be able to send me a little piece by us mail wont cost much for shipping so can anyone help me out?thank u Chris =C2-Chris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash building Firefly ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra
From: "dirtracin" <igetthebug(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 24, 2016
Yes Rex... anything you can do will help me out... the manual would be a great start because i have the new manual and it doesn't mach my plane... also my plans are from a classic so its all screwed up... can you measure the distance between the left and right wing roots at the rear by the u joint and where it is pinned to the fuselage... and no i have not tried rotating the u joints... i never gave that a thought... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461564#461564 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 7/16 x .028 shims
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 24, 2016
Chris I do not recall them..what is the purpose? Herb On 10/24/2016 09:36 AM, chris davis wrote: > Kolbers , On my Firefly construction Im told to cut two shims of 4130 > 7/16 x 028 I believe they will be about 1/8 each or less I dont have > any tubing of that size laying around so i called Aircraft Spruce and > they dont have any either the thinnest wall that they have is .035 so > i thought maybe someone on the list might be able to send me a little > piece by us mail wont cost much for shipping so can anyone help me > out?thank u Chris > > > Chris Davis > KXP 503 492 hrs > Glider Pilot > Disabled from crash building Firefly -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Aileron trim and a new video
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 24, 2016
Thanks to all for the aileron trim suggestions a few months ago. I made an adjustable trim and then had to add a little bit on the rudder trim for the extra drag. See attached pictures. Also, I made a new video with the camera mounted outside and added some music. I'm flying about 2500'. Would like to go lower but a little nervous as some times no good options for landing if an engine out occurs. Go to utube and type in "flying a kolb over table rock lake" and it should come up. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461566#461566 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_20160927_125540311_176.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron trim and a new video
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 24, 2016
Forgot to reduce the size of the picture. Sorry! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461568#461568 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 24, 2016
Subject: Re: Aileron trim and a new video
Not bad Rex. The mount seems to be pretty steady. I am surprised that You Tube allowed you to post it. I had some videos on YT and they blocked the video's since I didn't have copywrite permission for the song I used. That is why I went to Vimeo. Larry On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Rex Rodebush wrote: > > Forgot to reduce the size of the picture. Sorry! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461568#461568 > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
From: B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 24, 2016
Subject: Re: Aileron trim and a new video
"Forgot to reduce the size of the picture. Sorry!" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my curiosity is getting to me...... the picture of the aileron trim.... can you take another picture from further away... is the trim tab mounted dynamically? does it flex as you move the aileron? or is it fixed? what is the rod that the linkage is mounted to? I have the aileron counter weights on my mkIII.... but they go from the aileron torque tube forward.... Assuming they are dynamic and move as you move the ailerons.. do they reduce some of the stick pressure like a spade would do? and then maybe I am over imagining things here.... boyd young On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Rex Rodebush wrote: > > Forgot to reduce the size of the picture. Sorry! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461568#461568 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra
From: "Frankd" <FDucker(at)aol.com>
Date: Oct 24, 2016
Hello Sir, I have one of the early MkIII Xtra's as well. I did change to the new taller steel legs and would advise anyone to do that. Both the Wing and the tail Horizontal incidences need to set correctly and I would certainly call the factory for the latest settings. I don't remember what they are but I did set the Leading edge of the HS too low, per a factory letter for newer models, and this created a dangerous first flight with wayyy too much UP pitch which could have killed me.. I did get a new universal joint from the factory that was much wider then the original and I have a bunch of washers to get the wing incidence correct. This is the trick to getting it all lined up right. The factory reset the wing incidence to reduce the effect of the wide nose during flight. You will have to reset the gap seal and windshield fairing again and maybe make a new one, once all the incidences are set . I remember it took some effort but I eventually used the original fiberglass parts. To summarize:- a/ I'd recommend getting the tall steel legs. There is a left and right and make sure you install them correctly. I had to redo this as its easy to b/ Call the factory, get the new incidences for both the wing and tail and a possible new wide universal bracket. c/ You should not have to cut any of the flap controls, that does not look right. AND we will try to help as well.. Regards FrankD MkIII Xtra, N1014S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461573#461573 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 10/16/16
Date: Oct 24, 2016
> Am I being paranoid? Any thoughts? You will probably be fine without brakes. However, I do have a concern. Consider this; you are going downhill in the rain pulling your trailer. You enter a tight corner, it's tighter than you expected so you put the brakes on. All of the trailer inertia is attempting to turn your PU sideways. You are in prime condition for a nasty jack-knife. I had a close call like this once on dry pavement. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra
From: "dirtracin" <igetthebug(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 24, 2016
I just got off the phone with Bryan at Kolb and he told me to set it up like the mk3 classic... lol He also said not to set it up with the adjustable u joints... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461580#461580 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 24, 2016
Not sure what he meant by adjustable u-joints. The only adjustment I am aware is with washers. ?? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461584#461584 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron trim and a new video
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 24, 2016
Larry, I got the music from a web side for "free" music. No copyright problems. I'll see if I can find out where. Rex Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461585#461585 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron trim and a new video
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 24, 2016
Boyd, It's a fixed tab mounted to an extension of the aileron counter-balance. I'll send a pix tomorrow. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461586#461586 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron trim and a new video
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 24, 2016
Larry, I could not find out where I got the music but google "free music for utube videos" and a bunch of stuff comes up. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461587#461587 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 24, 2016
Subject: Re: Aileron trim and a new video
It doesn't matter, I won't be returning to You Tube no matter what. Larry On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Rex Rodebush wrote: > > Larry, I got the music from a web side for "free" music. No copyright > problems. I'll see if I can find out where. > > Rex > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461585#461585 > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Aileron trim and a new video
Date: Oct 25, 2016
Lovely smooth video. No music unfortunately. I think if I was flying in yo ur area I would choose an amphibian. Stayed many years ago with a guy in La ke Wales and flew a Buccaneer (I think). I have flown a French amphib.also . The amphibian is an exciting change, Easy to fly, the water landings are really not much trouble. I was sent solo after two trips dual. Swimming an d fishing from the plane and the use of deserted beaches for picnics opens up your options plus a lot of places to land if it does suddenly get all qu iet. Pat ________________________________ From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-kolb-list-server@matronic s.com> on behalf of Rex Rodebush Sent: 24 October 2016 16:38:55 Subject: Kolb-List: Aileron trim and a new video Thanks to all for the aileron trim suggestions a few months ago. I made an adjustable trim and then had to add a little bit on the rudder trim for th e extra drag. See attached pictures. Also, I made a new video with the camera mounted outside and added some mus ic. I'm flying about 2500'. Would like to go lower but a little nervous a s some times no good options for landing if an engine out occurs. Go to utube and type in "flying a kolb over table rock lake" and it should come up. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461566#461566 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_20160927_125540311_176.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron trim and a new video
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 25, 2016
Pat, I have looked at making it an amphibian. The main concerns I have are that with the extra weight and a full tank it pretty much becomes a single place airplane. Also, you need a paved or very smooth grass runway. You would give up many off field landing areas. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461605#461605 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 7/16 x .028 shims
From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 25, 2016
Herb the shims go on the 3/8 bolt that goes through th H tube so the flapero n arms can swivel freely . Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 24, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Herb wrote: > > Chris > > I do not recall them..what is the purpose? Herb > >> On 10/24/2016 09:36 AM, chris davis wrote: >> Kolbers , On my Firefly construction Im told to cut two shims of 4130 7/1 6 x 028 I believe they will be about 1/8 each or less I dont have any tubing of that size laying around so i called Aircraft Spruce and they dont have a ny either the thinnest wall that they have is .035 so i thought maybe someon e on the list might be able to send me a little piece by us mail wont cost m uch for shipping so can anyone help me out?thank u Chris >> >> >> >> Chris Davis >> KXP 503 492 hrs >> Glider Pilot >> Disabled from crash building Firefly > > -- > "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democr acies give way to tyranny." > > Aristotle > > "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and w hat does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 7/16 x .028 shims
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 25, 2016
Chris Those are short pieces of tubing that fit over the h section through bolt..Just a bit longer than the actuation levers are wide...Herb On 10/25/2016 11:14 AM, chris davis wrote: > Herb the shims go on the 3/8 bolt that goes through th H tube so the > flaperon arms can swivel freely . > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 24, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Herb > wrote: > >> Chris >> >> I do not recall them..what is the purpose? Herb >> >> >> On 10/24/2016 09:36 AM, chris davis wrote: >>> Kolbers , On my Firefly construction Im told to cut two shims of >>> 4130 7/16 x 028 I believe they will be about 1/8 each or less I dont >>> have any tubing of that size laying around so i called Aircraft >>> Spruce and they dont have any either the thinnest wall that they >>> have is .035 so i thought maybe someone on the list might be able to >>> send me a little piece by us mail wont cost much for shipping so can >>> anyone help me out?thank u Chris >>> >>> >>> Chris Davis >>> KXP 503 492 hrs >>> Glider Pilot >>> Disabled from crash building Firefly >> >> -- >> "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." >> >> Aristotle >> >> "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 7/16 x .028 shims
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 25, 2016
the holes in the levers should be just large enough to allow the shims to slide freely through.. ..Herb On 10/25/2016 12:36 PM, Herb wrote: > > Chris > > Those are short pieces of tubing that fit over the h section > through bolt..Just a bit longer than the actuation levers are wide...Herb > > > On 10/25/2016 11:14 AM, chris davis wrote: >> Herb the shims go on the 3/8 bolt that goes through th H tube so the >> flaperon arms can swivel freely . >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 24, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Herb > > wrote: >> >>> Chris >>> >>> I do not recall them..what is the purpose? Herb >>> >>> >>> On 10/24/2016 09:36 AM, chris davis wrote: >>>> Kolbers , On my Firefly construction Im told to cut two shims of >>>> 4130 7/16 x 028 I believe they will be about 1/8 each or less I >>>> dont have any tubing of that size laying around so i called >>>> Aircraft Spruce and they dont have any either the thinnest wall >>>> that they have is .035 so i thought maybe someone on the list might >>>> be able to send me a little piece by us mail wont cost much for >>>> shipping so can anyone help me out?thank u Chris >>>> >>>> >>>> Chris Davis >>>> KXP 503 492 hrs >>>> Glider Pilot >>>> Disabled from crash building Firefly >>> >>> -- >>> "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." >>> >>> Aristotle >>> >>> "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... > > -- > "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." > > Aristotle > > "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 25, 2016
Attached are downsized pictures of the aileron trim attachment, the landing gear and some pictures of my rear u-joints. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461618#461618 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_20161025_120104653_138.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_20161025_115731040_511.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 25, 2016
two pictures did not attach. Hope this works. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461619#461619 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 25, 2016
One more time Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461620#461620 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_20161025_120104653_948.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_20161025_120104653_229.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Kolb Firestar 1...
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 25, 2016
I am looking at a 5 rib Firestar 1... Is that a KXP? And what is a KXP? When were they built? And the engine ,447 , shows an ign box under the carb, but the coil is mounted in the location where the dual coils would be mounted for a points ign engine..Single coil, waste spark ... Any info would be appreciated...Herb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 25, 2016
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar 1...
It is my understanding that the KXP came after the 5 rib. I believe it was the first 7 rib firestar. Larry On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 5:27 PM, Herb wrote: > > > I am looking at a 5 rib Firestar 1... Is that a KXP? And what is a KXP? > When were they built? > And the engine ,447 , shows an ign box under the carb, but the coil is > mounted in the location where the dual coils would be mounted for a points > ign engine..Single coil, waste spark ... > Any info would be appreciated...Herb > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
From: B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 25, 2016
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar 1... Kxp
Kolb web sight has a history page. It explains the timeline and development of the different models. http://www.kolbaircraft.com/history.htm ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar 1... Kxp
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 25, 2016
thanks for the reminder...been there and read that before... :-) Herb On 10/25/2016 06:51 PM, B Young wrote: > > Kolb web sight has a history page. It explains the timeline and > development of the different models. > > http://www.kolbaircraft.com/history.htm > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar 1...
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 25, 2016
If I read it right...the one I am looking at is a KX...per 1990 maybe? Herb On 10/25/2016 06:32 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > It is my understanding that the KXP came after the 5 rib. I believe it > was the first 7 rib firestar. > Larry > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 5:27 PM, Herb > wrote: > > > > > > I am looking at a 5 rib Firestar 1... Is that a KXP? And what is a > KXP? When were they built? > And the engine ,447 , shows an ign box under the carb, but the > coil is mounted in the location where the dual coils would be > mounted for a points ign engine..Single coil, waste spark ... > Any info would be appreciated...Herb > > =================================== > -List" rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > =================================== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > =================================== > WIKI - > errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > =================================== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > =================================== > > > -- > /The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant > of others./ > / > / > /If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending./ -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar 1...
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 25, 2016
pre 1990.... Herb On 10/25/2016 08:23 PM, Herb wrote: > > If I read it right...the one I am looking at is a KX...per 1990 > maybe? Herb > > > On 10/25/2016 06:32 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: >> It is my understanding that the KXP came after the 5 rib. I believe >> it was the first 7 rib firestar. >> Larry >> >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 5:27 PM, Herb > > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> I am looking at a 5 rib Firestar 1... Is that a KXP? And what is >> a KXP? When were they built? >> And the engine ,447 , shows an ign box under the carb, but the >> coil is mounted in the location where the dual coils would be >> mounted for a points ign engine..Single coil, waste spark ... >> Any info would be appreciated...Herb >> >> =================================== >> -List" rel="noreferrer" >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> =================================== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> =================================== >> WIKI - >> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> =================================== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> =================================== >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> /The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant >> of others./ >> / >> / >> /If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email >> address before sending./ > > -- > "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." > > Aristotle > > "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 7/16 x .028 shims
From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 25, 2016
Yes herb I know what they are I was just trying to locate a piece of tubing t hat size 7/16 x 028 as I said I don't have any and I call aircraft spruce an d they don't have any 7/16 with a wall that thin 035 was the thinnest wall t hey sell so instead of buying a lot more than I need somewhere else I though t perhaps someone on the list might have a piece they could send me ? Get m y drift? Thanks for the comeback if no one else responds I guess I will look elsewhere or maybe even ask Bryon at KOLB for a piece . Chris Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 25, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Herb wrote: > > Chris > > Those are short pieces of tubing that fit over the h section through bo lt..Just a bit longer than the actuation levers are wide...Herb > >> On 10/25/2016 11:14 AM, chris davis wrote: >> Herb the shims go on the 3/8 bolt that goes through th H tube so the flap eron arms can swivel freely . >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 24, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Herb wrote: >> >>> Chris >>> >>> I do not recall them..what is the purpose? Herb >>> >>>> On 10/24/2016 09:36 AM, chris davis wrote: >>>> Kolbers , On my Firefly construction Im told to cut two shims of 4130 7 /16 x 028 I believe they will be about 1/8 each or less I dont have any tubi ng of that size laying around so i called Aircraft Spruce and they dont have any either the thinnest wall that they have is .035 so i thought maybe some one on the list might be able to send me a little piece by us mail wont cost much for shipping so can anyone help me out?thank u Chris >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Chris Davis >>>> KXP 503 492 hrs >>>> Glider Pilot >>>> Disabled from crash building Firefly >>> >>> -- >>> "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine demo cracies give way to tyranny." >>> >>> Aristotle >>> >>> "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation an d what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" w ho is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... > > -- > "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democr acies give way to tyranny." > > Aristotle > > "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and w hat does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Aileron trim and a new video
Date: Oct 26, 2016
Hi, I think that I would go for a properly designed amphib. rather than try to convert a Kolb. I can`t remember much about the Buccaneer, it was a long ti me ago but I remember it as a roomy side by side cockpit with easy access and good visibility. I think it had wing tip floats for stability when anch ored. They guy I stayed with had a wooden ramp from his land into Lake Wale s. He kept the plane parked on the ramp and when we were aboard he just too k off the brake and we trundled backward into the water. There was some qui ck work with a paddle to float us clear of the trees which surrounded the l ake. He turned into wind and pulled the starter cord and we gently nosed ou t into the lake. When the engine is running you gotta go. We did the checks as we nosed into wind, checked that there were no boats about, opened the throttle and bounced into the air after quite a short take off run. When we returned after a few circuits, and a beat up across the lake flat out at a round ten feet, great fun, we landed and taxied straight out of the water and up his ramp. Unfortunately the next day we could not get the engine sta rted and I never solo`d. I remember he had friends arriving by boat and pla ne from all over the lake , all offering advice, and beer, while we worked in the shade of a big tree. It was a great day and one of the best `hangar flying` days I ever had. The French amphib. I flew was twenty years later. It was designed by a bo at designer with aeronautical experience. Lots of things were operated by t oggles and ropes, just like a small sailing dinghy. The rudder retracted by pulling a toggle. The wheels dropped from their retracted position by pull ing a toggle. All very boaty. The main difference to the Bucanceer was that the main pod was cast in plastic not just fabric beefed up with a sole pl ate. The engine had an electric starter too. Altogether a more up together outfit but as I said it was at least twenty years later and things had mov ed on in the microlight world. I tried to get a flight with a guy who had put a Kolb on floats when I was down in the Keys at one time. Unfortunately, after a long drive to find him he had the plane in bits doing some maintenance. It looked as though it wo uld work OK and I remember seeing Kolbs on floats on you tube at one point but the drag caused by inflatable floats with little streamlining must have been tremendous. I did find a guy down in the Keys who had fitted a weightshift wing and eng ine to a rubber dinghy but although it looked fun I didn`t fancy it for ser ious flying. Your flying area is very attractive. Is the water warm enough to swim in? I should find it very frustrating if it was like San Francisco, where the wa ter looks so attractive but you need a diving suit to get in it. Good luck Pat ________________________________ From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-kolb-list-server@matronic s.com> on behalf of Rex Rodebush Sent: 25 October 2016 15:53:20 Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron trim and a new video Pat, I have looked at making it an amphibian. The main concerns I have ar e that with the extra weight and a full tank it pretty much becomes a singl e place airplane. Also, you need a paved or very smooth grass runway. You would give up many off field landing areas. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461605#461605 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 7/16 x .028 shims
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 26, 2016
Chris Looking at the plans..it would be hard to tell if it is a piece of tubing or just a flat washer..:-) I think Kolb went to all .035 in the Firefly fuselage to standardize it to all the other models. I will check my stock...and let you know...If not..betting Bryan can send you a couple of pre cut shims...for shipping cost ...Herb On 10/25/2016 10:15 PM, chris davis wrote: > Yes herb I know what they are I was just trying to locate a piece of > tubing that size 7/16 x 028 as I said I don't have any and I call > aircraft spruce and they don't have any 7/16 with a wall that thin 035 > was the thinnest wall they sell so instead of buying a lot more than I > need somewhere else I thought perhaps someone on the list might have a > piece they could send me ? Get my drift? Thanks for the comeback if > no one else responds I guess I will look elsewhere or maybe even ask > Bryon at KOLB for a piece . Chris > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 25, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Herb > wrote: > >> Chris >> >> Those are short pieces of tubing that fit over the h section >> through bolt..Just a bit longer than the actuation levers are >> wide...Herb >> >> >> On 10/25/2016 11:14 AM, chris davis wrote: >>> Herb the shims go on the 3/8 bolt that goes through th H tube so the >>> flaperon arms can swivel freely . >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Herb >> > wrote: >>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> I do not recall them..what is the purpose? Herb >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/24/2016 09:36 AM, chris davis wrote: >>>>> Kolbers , On my Firefly construction Im told to cut two shims of >>>>> 4130 7/16 x 028 I believe they will be about 1/8 each or less I >>>>> dont have any tubing of that size laying around so i called >>>>> Aircraft Spruce and they dont have any either the thinnest wall >>>>> that they have is .035 so i thought maybe someone on the list >>>>> might be able to send me a little piece by us mail wont cost much >>>>> for shipping so can anyone help me out?thank u Chris >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chris Davis >>>>> KXP 503 492 hrs >>>>> Glider Pilot >>>>> Disabled from crash building Firefly >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." >>>> >>>> Aristotle >>>> >>>> "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... >> >> -- >> "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." >> >> Aristotle >> >> "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 26, 2016
From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 7/16 x .028 shims
Herb, I guess that I will try Bryan. According to my plans it is a piece of tubing and I have tried to find a washer that only has an outside diameter of 7/16 and would have an inside diameter of 3/8 to no avail so I guess I will try KOLB.Thanks for your input . Chris =C2-Chris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash building Firefly On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 9:24 AM, Herb wrote: Chris =C2- Looking at the plans..it would be hard to tell if it is a p iece of tubing or just a flat washer..:-)=C2-=C2-=C2- I think Kolb we nt to all .035 in the Firefly fuselage to standardize it to all the other m odels. I will check my stock...and let you know...If not..betting Bryan can send you a couple of pre cut shims...for shipping cost ...Herb =C2- On 10/25/2016 10:15 PM, chris davis wrote: Yes herb I know what they are I was just trying to locate a piece of tubin g that size 7/16 x 028 as I said I don't have any and I call aircraft spruc e and they don't have any 7/16 with a wall that thin 035 was the thinnest w all they sell so instead of buying a lot more than I need somewhere else I thought perhaps someone on the list might have a piece they could send me =C2-? Get my drift? Thanks for the comeback if no one else responds I gue ss I will look elsewhere or maybe even ask Bryon at KOLB for a piece . Chri s Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Herb wrote: Chris =C2- Those are short pieces of tubing that fit=C2- over the h s ection through bolt..Just a bit longer than the actuation levers are wide.. .Herb On 10/25/2016 11:14 AM, chris davis wrote: Herb the shims go on the 3/8 bolt that goes through th H tube so the flape ron arms can swivel freely .=C2- Sent from my iPhone On Oct 24, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Herb wrote: Chris =C2- I do not recall them..what is the purpose?=C2- Herb On 10/24/2016 09:36 AM, chris davis wrote: Kolbers , On my Firefly construction Im told to cut two shims of 4130 7/1 6 x 028 I believe they will be about 1/8 each or less I dont have any tubin g of that size laying around so i called Aircraft Spruce and they dont have any either the thinnest wall that they have is .035 so i thought maybe so meone on the list might be able to send me a little piece by us mail wont c ost much for shipping so can anyone help me out?thank u Chris =C2- Chris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash building Firefly -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democra cies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and w hat does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" wh o is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democra cies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and w hat does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" wh o is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democra cies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and w hat does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" wh o is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Aileron trim and a new video
Date: Oct 26, 2016
Rex, I missed your point about rough landing fields. Sorry that I cannot help th ere. As I said, the plane in Lake Wales when we flew it went straight from a ramp into the water. The next time I saw it, it was for sale at Sun n Fu n. The French amphib. I flew was from Vance-Meucon airfield to the sea and back. Vance had a single concrete runway on the edge of the town where the factory which built the plane was situated so the use of rough fields did n ot come up. I do remember however that the company was exporting 5 planes t o a missionary outfit in Africa where I would not expect landing strip to b e very good. For what its worth. Pat ________________________________ From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-kolb-list-server@matronic s.com> on behalf of Rex Rodebush Sent: 25 October 2016 15:53:20 Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron trim and a new video Pat, I have looked at making it an amphibian. The main concerns I have ar e that with the extra weight and a full tank it pretty much becomes a singl e place airplane. Also, you need a paved or very smooth grass runway. You would give up many off field landing areas. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461605#461605 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 26, 2016
From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar 1...
Herb Larry is right the KXP had & rib wings and a stronger drag strut to ma ke the Firestar able to use a 503 Rotax. Chris=C2-=C2-Chris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash building Firefly On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:36 PM, Herb wrote: pre 1990.... Herb On 10/25/2016 08:23 PM, Herb wrote: If I read it right...the one I am looking at is a KX...per 1990 maybe?=C2 - Herb On 10/25/2016 06:32 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: It is my understanding that the KXP came after the 5 rib. I believe it was the first 7 rib firestar. Larry On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 5:27 PM, Herb wrote: I am looking at a 5 rib Firestar 1... Is that a KXP? And what is a KXP?=C2 - =C2-When were they built? =C2- And the engine ,447 , shows an ign box under the carb, but the coil is mounted in the location where the dual coils would be mounted for a poi nts ign engine..Single coil, waste spark ... =C2- Any info would be appreciated...Herb ==== ==================== ========== = -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?Kolb-List ==== ==================== ========== = FORUMS - eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com ==== ==================== ========== = WIKI - errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com ==== ==================== ========== = b Site - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contr ibutio n ==== ==================== ========== = -- The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others. If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email addr ess before sending. -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democra cies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and w hat does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" wh o is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democra cies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and w hat does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" wh o is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron trim and a new video
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 26, 2016
Pat, We are in Southern Missouri just about 10 miles north of Arkansas. The weather is warm and the lake temperature can get into the 80's during summer. No problem swimming. I have a neighbor (a retired airline pilot) that built an early kolb twinstar and put floats on it. He and a fellow pilot flew it on the Mississippi river near St. Louis. The floats were not amphibious. They hauled it back and forth. This was probably 15/20 years ago. I think he gave me a picture of it. I'll see if I can scan and attach it. Rex Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461639#461639 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 7/16 x .028 shims
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 26, 2016
I went to my tubing stash and did not find anything...Herb On 10/26/2016 09:03 AM, chris davis wrote: > Herb, I guess that I will try Bryan. According to my plans it is a > piece of tubing and I have tried to find a washer that only has an > outside diameter of 7/16 and would have an inside diameter of 3/8 to > no avail so I guess I will try KOLB. > Thanks for your input . Chris > > > Chris Davis > KXP 503 492 hrs > Glider Pilot > Disabled from crash building Firefly > > > On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 9:24 AM, Herb wrote: > > > Chris > Looking at the plans..it would be hard to tell if it is a piece of > tubing or just a flat washer..:-) I think Kolb went to all .035 in > the Firefly fuselage to standardize it to all the other models. I will > check my stock...and let you know...If not..betting Bryan can send you > a couple of pre cut shims...for shipping cost ...Herb > > > On 10/25/2016 10:15 PM, chris davis wrote: >> Yes herb I know what they are I was just trying to locate a piece of >> tubing that size 7/16 x 028 as I said I don't have any and I call >> aircraft spruce and they don't have any 7/16 with a wall that thin >> 035 was the thinnest wall they sell so instead of buying a lot more >> than I need somewhere else I thought perhaps someone on the list >> might have a piece they could send me ? Get my drift? Thanks for the >> comeback if no one else responds I guess I will look elsewhere or >> maybe even ask Bryon at KOLB for a piece . Chris >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 25, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Herb > > wrote: >> >>> Chris >>> Those are short pieces of tubing that fit over the h section >>> through bolt..Just a bit longer than the actuation levers are >>> wide...Herb >>> >>> On 10/25/2016 11:14 AM, chris davis wrote: >>>> Herb the shims go on the 3/8 bolt that goes through th H tube so >>>> the flaperon arms can swivel freely . >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Herb >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> I do not recall them..what is the purpose? Herb >>>>> >>>>> On 10/24/2016 09:36 AM, chris davis wrote: >>>>>> Kolbers , On my Firefly construction Im told to cut two shims of >>>>>> 4130 7/16 x 028 I believe they will be about 1/8 each or less I >>>>>> dont have any tubing of that size laying around so i called >>>>>> Aircraft Spruce and they dont have any either the thinnest wall >>>>>> that they have is .035 so i thought maybe someone on the list >>>>>> might be able to send me a little piece by us mail wont cost much >>>>>> for shipping so can anyone help me out?thank u Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris Davis >>>>>> KXP 503 492 hrs >>>>>> Glider Pilot >>>>>> Disabled from crash building Firefly >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." >>>>> >>>>> Aristotle >>>>> >>>>> "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... >>> >>> -- >>> "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." >>> >>> Aristotle >>> >>> "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... > > -- > "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." > > Aristotle > > "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar 1...
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 26, 2016
This one has an odd 447..odd in that I have never seen one with a dual ign coil..and with an ign box below the carbs.. 5 rib wing...so a KX . Likely something from a motorcycle...? I read the history blurb on the Kolb site but could not get a good feel as to the age of a Firestar with the 5 rib wing..Herb On 10/26/2016 09:21 AM, chris davis wrote: > Herb Larry is right the KXP had & rib wings and a stronger drag strut > to make the Firestar able to use a 503 Rotax. Chris > Chris Davis > KXP 503 492 hrs > Glider Pilot > Disabled from crash building Firefly > > > On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:36 PM, Herb wrote: > > > pre 1990.... Herb > > On 10/25/2016 08:23 PM, Herb wrote: > If I read it right...the one I am looking at is a KX...per 1990 > maybe? Herb > > On 10/25/2016 06:32 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: >> It is my understanding that the KXP came after the 5 rib. I believe >> it was the first 7 rib firestar. >> Larry >> >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 5:27 PM, Herb > > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> I am looking at a 5 rib Firestar 1... Is that a KXP? And what is >> a KXP? When were they built? >> And the engine ,447 , shows an ign box under the carb, but the >> coil is mounted in the location where the dual coils would be >> mounted for a points ign engine..Single coil, waste spark ... >> Any info would be appreciated...Herb >> >> ==== ============================== = >> -List" rel="noreferrer" >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?Kolb-List >> ==== ============================== = >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> <http://forums.matronics.com/> >> ==== ============================== = >> WIKI - >> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> <http://wiki.matronics.com/> >> ==== ============================== = >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contr >> ibution >> ==== ============================== = >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> /The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant >> of others./ >> / >> / >> /If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email >> address before sending./ > > -- > "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." > > Aristotle > > "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... > > -- > "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." > > Aristotle > > "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 7/16 x .028 shims
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 26, 2016
Chris A bronze bushing might work? ACE hardware for one...Herb On 10/25/2016 10:15 PM, chris davis wrote: > Yes herb I know what they are I was just trying to locate a piece of > tubing that size 7/16 x 028 as I said I don't have any and I call > aircraft spruce and they don't have any 7/16 with a wall that thin 035 > was the thinnest wall they sell so instead of buying a lot more than I > need somewhere else I thought perhaps someone on the list might have a > piece they could send me ? Get my drift? Thanks for the comeback if > no one else responds I guess I will look elsewhere or maybe even ask > Bryon at KOLB for a piece . Chris > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 25, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Herb > wrote: > >> Chris >> >> Those are short pieces of tubing that fit over the h section >> through bolt..Just a bit longer than the actuation levers are >> wide...Herb >> >> >> On 10/25/2016 11:14 AM, chris davis wrote: >>> Herb the shims go on the 3/8 bolt that goes through th H tube so the >>> flaperon arms can swivel freely . >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Herb >> > wrote: >>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> I do not recall them..what is the purpose? Herb >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/24/2016 09:36 AM, chris davis wrote: >>>>> Kolbers , On my Firefly construction Im told to cut two shims of >>>>> 4130 7/16 x 028 I believe they will be about 1/8 each or less I >>>>> dont have any tubing of that size laying around so i called >>>>> Aircraft Spruce and they dont have any either the thinnest wall >>>>> that they have is .035 so i thought maybe someone on the list >>>>> might be able to send me a little piece by us mail wont cost much >>>>> for shipping so can anyone help me out?thank u Chris >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chris Davis >>>>> KXP 503 492 hrs >>>>> Glider Pilot >>>>> Disabled from crash building Firefly >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." >>>> >>>> Aristotle >>>> >>>> "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... >> >> -- >> "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." >> >> Aristotle >> >> "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 7/16 x .028 shims
From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 26, 2016
Herb I emailed Kolb and Bryan said he would send me some , thanks for your e ffort ..Chris Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 26, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Herb wrote: > > I went to my tubing stash and did not find anything...Herb > >> On 10/26/2016 09:03 AM, chris davis wrote: >> Herb, I guess that I will try Bryan. According to my plans it is a piece o f tubing and I have tried to find a washer that only has an outside diameter of 7/16 and would have an inside diameter of 3/8 to no avail so I guess I w ill try KOLB. >> Thanks for your input . Chris >> >> >> >> Chris Davis >> KXP 503 492 hrs >> Glider Pilot >> Disabled from crash building Firefly >> >> >> On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 9:24 AM, Herb wrote: >> >> >> Chris >> Looking at the plans..it would be hard to tell if it is a piece of tubi ng or just a flat washer..:-) I think Kolb went to all .035 in the Firefl y fuselage to standardize it to all the other models. I will check my stock. ..and let you know...If not..betting Bryan can send you a couple of pre cut s hims...for shipping cost ...Herb >> >> >>> On 10/25/2016 10:15 PM, chris davis wrote: >>> Yes herb I know what they are I was just trying to locate a piece of tub ing that size 7/16 x 028 as I said I don't have any and I call aircraft spru ce and they don't have any 7/16 with a wall that thin 035 was the thinnest w all they sell so instead of buying a lot more than I need somewhere else I t hought perhaps someone on the list might have a piece they could send me ? G et my drift? Thanks for the comeback if no one else responds I guess I will l ook elsewhere or maybe even ask Bryon at KOLB for a p iece . Chris >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 25, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Herb wrote: >>> >>>> Chris >>>> Those are short pieces of tubing that fit over the h section through bolt..Just a bit longer than the actuation levers are wide...Herb >>>> >>>>> On 10/25/2016 11:14 AM, chris davis wrote: >>>>> Herb the shims go on the 3/8 bolt that goes through th H tube so the f laperon arms can swivel freely . >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Herb wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> I do not recall them..what is the purpose? Herb >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10/24/2016 09:36 AM, chris davis wrote: >>>>>>> Kolbers , On my Firefly construction Im told to cut two shims of 413 0 7/16 x 028 I believe they will be about 1/8 each or less I dont have any t ubing of that size laying around so i called Aircraft Spruce and they dont h ave any either the thinnest wall that they have is .035 so i thought maybe s omeone on the list might be able to send me a little piece by us mail wont c ost much for shipping so can anyone help me out?thank u Chris >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris Davis >>>>>>> KXP 503 492 hrs >>>>>>> Glider Pilot >>>>>>> Disabled from crash building Firefly >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine d emocracies give way to tyranny." >>>>>> >>>>>> Aristotle >>>>>> >>>>>> "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? An d" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine dem ocracies give way to tyranny." >>>> >>>> Aristotle >>>> >>>> "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation a nd what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... >> >> -- >> "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democ racies give way to tyranny." >> >> Aristotle >> >> "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" w ho is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... >> >> > > -- > "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democr acies give way to tyranny." > > Aristotle > > "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and w hat does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar 1...
From: "wakataka" <wakataka(at)charter.net>
Date: Oct 26, 2016
The snowmobile engines had a Ducati electronic ignition ignition with a single two-lead coil and a 'black box' that could be mounted in various places. It's a good system. I believe it has an electronic advance built in that makes the engine idle smoother. I know mine idled a lot smoother when I switched it from points to this set up. -------- There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461652#461652 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Aileron trim and a new video
Date: Oct 27, 2016
I have been looking at pics on YouTube and the Buccaneer shown there with t he pilot fitting the wheels while in flight is definitely not the one I fle w. Mine folded the wheels up in a very awkward config which made the plane look like a stork swimming and trying to keep its feet dry. Worked though. Pat ________________________________ From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-kolb-list-server@matronic s.com> on behalf of Rex Rodebush Sent: 26 October 2016 16:34:59 Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron trim and a new video Pat, We are in Southern Missouri just about 10 miles north of Arkansas. The wea ther is warm and the lake temperature can get into the 80's during summer. No problem swimming. I have a neighbor (a retired airline pilot) that built an early kolb twins tar and put floats on it. He and a fellow pilot flew it on the Mississippi river near St. Louis. The floats were not amphibious. They hauled it bac k and forth. This was probably 15/20 years ago. I think he gave me a pict ure of it. I'll see if I can scan and attach it. Rex Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461639#461639 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar 1...
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 27, 2016
Your description matches what I am seeing...but I am wondering if the unit can be fired by points or inductive pick up? Herb On 10/26/2016 10:33 PM, wakataka wrote: > > The snowmobile engines had a Ducati electronic ignition ignition with a single two-lead coil and a 'black box' that could be mounted in various places. It's a good system. I believe it has an electronic advance built in that makes the engine idle smoother. I know mine idled a lot smoother when I switched it from points to this set up. > > -------- > There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. > > Mark Twain > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461652#461652 > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron trim and a new video
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 27, 2016
Attached is a pix of the twinstar on floats. It's a pdf file so don't know if it will work. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461660#461660 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/twinstar_floats_1_180.pdf ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 27, 2016
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Aileron trim and a new video
The pdf file worked with no problem. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 10/27/16, Rex Rodebush wrote: Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron trim and a new video To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Date: Thursday, October 27, 2016, 11:22 AM "Rex Rodebush" Attached is a pix of the twinstar on floats. It's a pdf file so don't know if it will work. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461660#461660 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/twinstar_floats_1_180.pdf Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - MATRONICS LIST WIKI - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Second chance chute
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 27, 2016
Anyone have an idea as to the age of this BRS? Took it out of a Z Max...and I am pretty sure it has been installed for more than 10 years...Any details also. Herb http://s1248.photobucket.com/user/herbgh/media/IMG_1453_zpsyn4mklxj.jpg.html?sort=3&o=17 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Second chance chute
From: Russ Kinne <russk50(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 27, 2016
Herb - doesnt BRS know?? > On Oct 27, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Herb wrote: > > > > Anyone have an idea as to the age of this BRS? Took it out of a Z Max...and I am pretty sure it has been installed for more than 10 years...Any details also. Herb > > http://s1248.photobucket.com/user/herbgh/media/IMG_1453_zpsyn4mklxj.jpg.html?sort=3&o=17 > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron trim and a new video
From: Russ Kinne <russk50(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 27, 2016
Rex - thanx for pic of the Kolb on floats. But IMHO the Kolb is an IDEAL configuration for a floating-hull seaplane or amphib, with stubby sponsons. Better than floats IMHO. Fair winds, Russ K > On Oct 27, 2016, at 11:22 AM, Rex Rodebush wrote: > > > Attached is a pix of the twinstar on floats. It's a pdf file so don't know if it will work. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461660#461660 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/twinstar_floats_1_180.pdf > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Second chance chute
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 27, 2016
I went to their site and could not download the pages...kinda frustrating...but I will give it another try..I know it is an old unit and thought some of you guys might have good input...Herb On 10/27/2016 05:11 PM, Russ Kinne wrote: > > Herb - doesnt BRS know?? > >> On Oct 27, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Herb wrote: >> >> >> >> Anyone have an idea as to the age of this BRS? Took it out of a Z Max...and I am pretty sure it has been installed for more than 10 years...Any details also. Herb >> >> http://s1248.photobucket.com/user/herbgh/media/IMG_1453_zpsyn4mklxj.jpg.html?sort=3&o=17 >> >> >> >> > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 28, 2016
From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Second chance chute
Herb and all Do you guys know somthing I dont? Did BRS =C2-buy Second Cha ntz? I had a Second Chantz on my Firestar and they where about the only com pany that was competing with BRS =C2-So when I was flying there was no su ch thing as a Second Chaniz Brs =C2-they where two companies did they bec ome one? =C2-Just wanted to know if i missed something/ Chris =C2-Chris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash building Firefly On Thursday, October 27, 2016 7:22 PM, Herb wrote: I went to their site and could not download the pages...kinda frustrating...but I will give it another try..I know it is an old unit and thought some of you guys might have good input...Herb On 10/27/2016 05:11 PM, Russ Kinne wrote: > > Herb - doesn=99t BRS know?? > >> On Oct 27, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Herb wrote: >> >> >> >> Anyone have an idea as to the age of this BRS?=C2- Took it out of a Z Max...and I am pretty sure it has been installed for more than 10 years...A ny details also.=C2- Herb >> >> http://s1248.photobucket.com/user/herbgh/media/IMG_1453_zpsyn4mklxj.jpg. html?sort=3&o=17 >> >> >> >> > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democra cies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and w hat does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" wh o is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... S - WIKI - - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Second chance chute
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 27, 2016
The one I have is old and made by Second Chante...They are now back in business... Do not know anything about either company...Emails bounce to Second Chantz.. I would like to sell the one I have..but until I get some info..do not know how to price...Herb On 10/27/2016 09:41 PM, chris davis wrote: > Herb and all Do you guys know somthing I dont? Did BRS buy Second > Chantz? I had a Second Chantz on my Firestar and they where about the > only company that was competing with BRS So when I was flying there > was no such thing as a Second Chaniz Brs they where two companies did > they become one? Just wanted to know if i missed something/ Chris > > > Chris Davis > KXP 503 492 hrs > Glider Pilot > Disabled from crash building Firefly > > > On Thursday, October 27, 2016 7:22 PM, Herb wrote: > > > > > > I went to their site and could not download the pages...kinda > frustrating...but I will give it another try..I know it is an old unit > and thought some of you guys might have good input...Herb > > > On 10/27/2016 05:11 PM, Russ Kinne wrote: > > > > > > Herb - doesnt BRS know?? > > > >> On Oct 27, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Herb > wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> > >> Anyone have an idea as to the age of this BRS? Took it out of a Z > Max...and I am pretty sure it has been installed for more than 10 > years...Any details also. Herb > >> > >> > http://s1248.photobucket.com/user/herbgh/media/IMG_1453_zpsyn4mklxj.jpg.html?sort=3&o=17 > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine > democracies give way to tyranny." > > Aristotle > > "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation > and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you > unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's > GGgranddaughter... -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Second chance chute
From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
Date: Oct 27, 2016
I have one of the last original Second Chantz chutes ever sold, it is on my MKIII. There is a guy at Skydive Kentucky who still has the Second Chantz manuals and can repack it if you need. https://skydivekentucky.com/ -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461676#461676 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Second chance chute
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 27, 2016
Richard did you see the one I have in the link? Look familiar ? The package is designed to fit in the turtle deck of a Z max that I have. The cords wrap around the landing gear.. I am only interested in selling. Just trying to develop some info...and a more than fair price..:-) Herb On 10/27/2016 10:16 PM, Richard Pike wrote: > > I have one of the last original Second Chantz chutes ever sold, it is on my MKIII. There is a guy at Skydive Kentucky who still has the Second Chantz manuals and can repack it if you need. > https://skydivekentucky.com/ > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > Would you consider yourself to be a good person? > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461676#461676 > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar 1...
From: "wakataka" <wakataka(at)charter.net>
Date: Oct 27, 2016
The Ducati ignition system has a small inductive 'trigger' mounted behind the flywheel. There are no breaker points. -------- There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461678#461678 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Second chance chute
From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
Date: Oct 28, 2016
Yours looks smaller than mine. I bought mine when I bought my MKIII kit, it has a physically bigger bag and also a larger nitrogen bottle. Back in the dim recesses of my memory I seem to remember that Second Chantz selling your model, but don't remember anything useful. You got me curious, and I went digging around in my envelope of MKIII receipts. I spent $2050 for my Second Chantz. I also found the receipt from Kolb for my MKIII kit: $7020. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461681#461681 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Second chance chute
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 28, 2016
Yep.. Mini Max...small...likely 600 lbs? I emailed Second Chantz and it bounced...called and got answering machine...We shall see...Not sure if I need to replace the canister and have a repack or just the repack? Herb On 10/28/2016 09:02 AM, Richard Pike wrote: > > Yours looks smaller than mine. I bought mine when I bought my MKIII kit, it has a physically bigger bag and also a larger nitrogen bottle. Back in the dim recesses of my memory I seem to remember that Second Chantz selling your model, but don't remember anything useful. > You got me curious, and I went digging around in my envelope of MKIII receipts. I spent $2050 for my Second Chantz. > I also found the receipt from Kolb for my MKIII kit: $7020. > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > Would you consider yourself to be a good person? > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461681#461681 > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Second chance chute
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 28, 2016
Just got a call from Second Chantz...new rocket and repack is 1k...and he gave me instructions on how to remove the pyrotechnic from the rocket... Herb ps...guess I am up for a visit from the gubmint now...:-) On 10/28/2016 09:02 AM, Richard Pike wrote: > > Yours looks smaller than mine. I bought mine when I bought my MKIII kit, it has a physically bigger bag and also a larger nitrogen bottle. Back in the dim recesses of my memory I seem to remember that Second Chantz selling your model, but don't remember anything useful. > You got me curious, and I went digging around in my envelope of MKIII receipts. I spent $2050 for my Second Chantz. > I also found the receipt from Kolb for my MKIII kit: $7020. > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > Would you consider yourself to be a good person? > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461681#461681 > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 5 and 6 inch tubing
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 29, 2016
Wonder what quantity has to be bought..and what alloy? Cannot be 500 plus dollars for 20 feet! That would be a whole lot of Lettuce !! some one near by..go over and check out the dumpster! :-) Herb http://hastingsirrigation.com/node/13 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 29, 2016
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
Herb- I don't see what alloy this stuff is made from, nor do I know what Kolb uses. I bought a new main tube from Kolb a few years ago, and don't recall what I paid. Bill Sullivan -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 10/29/16, Herb wrote: Subject: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Date: Saturday, October 29, 2016, 12:55 PM Herb Wonder what quantity has to be bought..and what alloy? Cannot be 500 plus dollars for 20 feet! That would be a whole lot of Lettuce !! some one near by..go over and check out the dumpster! :-) Herb http://hastingsirrigation.com/node/13 Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - MATRONICS LIST WIKI - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 29, 2016
6063 T? as I recall? 20 foot length is over 500 bucks now.. Not sure the alloy of the wing spars...same I am pretty sure..Plenty strong...I am guessing that small quantities can be bought from them or an end user...Herb ps this link will make you guys with bent booms and spars salivate...:-) Herb http://www.mairrigation.com/aluminum-pipe---tubing.html On 10/29/2016 12:51 PM, william sullivan wrote: > > Herb- I don't see what alloy this stuff is made from, nor do I know what Kolb uses. I bought a new main tube from Kolb a few years ago, and don't recall what I paid. > > Bill Sullivan > -------------------------------------------- > On Sat, 10/29/16, Herb wrote: > > Subject: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Saturday, October 29, 2016, 12:55 PM > > Herb > > Wonder what quantity has to be bought..and what alloy? > Cannot be 500 > plus dollars for 20 feet! That would be a whole lot of > Lettuce !! > > some one near by..go over and check > out the dumpster! :-) Herb > > > > > > http://hastingsirrigation.com/node/13 > > Forum - > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > MATRONICS LIST WIKI - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
From: Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 29, 2016
I don't know what alloy it is, but it makes a great one piece hangar/shop door. 10' tall, 30' wide; counterbalanced for manual operation. If your state publishes an agricultural newsletter, look there for deals on used irrigation tubing. Charlie On 10/29/2016 12:51 PM, william sullivan wrote: > > Herb- I don't see what alloy this stuff is made from, nor do I know what Kolb uses. I bought a new main tube from Kolb a few years ago, and don't recall what I paid. > > Bill Sullivan > -------------------------------------------- > On Sat, 10/29/16, Herb wrote: > > Subject: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Saturday, October 29, 2016, 12:55 PM > > Herb > > Wonder what quantity has to be bought..and what alloy? > Cannot be 500 > plus dollars for 20 feet! That would be a whole lot of > Lettuce !! > > some one near by..go over and check > out the dumpster! :-) Herb > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 29, 2016
From: Jim Baker <jimbaker(at)npacc.net>
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
6061-T6 Jim Baker 405 426 5377 -----Original Message----- From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> Sent: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 13:51 Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing Herb- I don't see what alloy this stuff is made from, nor do I know what Kolb uses. I bought a new main tube from Kolb a few years ago, and don't recall what I paid. Bill Sullivan -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 10/29/16, Herb wrote: Subject: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Date: Saturday, October 29, 2016, 12:55 PM Herb Wonder what quantity has to be bought..and what alloy? Cannot be 500 plus dollars for 20 feet! That would be a whole lot of Lettuce !! some one near by..go over and check out the dumpster! :-) Herb http://hastingsirrigation.com/node/13 Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - MATRONICS LIST WIKI - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 29, 2016
Betting that it is the same stuff as our spars and boom tubes are made from... Used...scratch and dent? ...might stay away from that...dollar and forty cents a foot.. so new must be on the order of 2 to 3 bucks a foot...!! Herb On 10/29/2016 03:36 PM, Charlie England wrote: > I don't know what alloy it is, but it makes a great one piece > hangar/shop door. 10' tall, 30' wide; counterbalanced for manual > operation. > > If your state publishes an agricultural newsletter, look there for > deals on used irrigation tubing. > > Charlie > > On 10/29/2016 12:51 PM, william sullivan wrote: >> >> >> Herb- I don't see what alloy this stuff is made from, nor do I >> know what Kolb uses. I bought a new main tube from Kolb a few years >> ago, and don't recall what I paid. >> >> Bill Sullivan >> -------------------------------------------- >> On Sat, 10/29/16, Herb wrote: >> >> Subject: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing >> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com >> Date: Saturday, October 29, 2016, 12:55 PM >> Herb >> Wonder what quantity has to be bought..and what alloy? >> Cannot be 500 >> plus dollars for 20 feet! That would be a whole lot of >> Lettuce !! >> some one near by..go over and check >> out the dumpster! :-) Herb >> > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 29, 2016
Very surprised...irrigation tubing does not need to be a quality alloy...I am pretty sure I heard that the spars and boom tubes were 6063 or something near that alloy...Herb On 10/29/2016 04:41 PM, Jim Baker wrote: > > 6061-T6 > > Jim Baker > 405 426 5377 > > -----Original Message----- > From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 13:51 > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing > > > Herb- I don't see what alloy this stuff is made from, nor do I know what Kolb uses. I bought a new main tube from Kolb a few years ago, and don't recall what I paid. > > Bill Sullivan > -------------------------------------------- > On Sat, 10/29/16, Herb wrote: > > Subject: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Saturday, October 29, 2016, 12:55 PM > > Herb > > Wonder what quantity has to be bought..and what alloy? > Cannot be 500 > plus dollars for 20 feet! That would be a whole lot of > Lettuce !! > > some one near by..go over and check > out the dumpster! :-) Herb > > > > > > http://hastingsirrigation.com/node/13 > > Forum - > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > MATRONICS LIST WIKI - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 29, 2016
From: jimbaker(at)npacc.net
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
Pretty sure Kolbs are 6061. Center pivot irrigation stuff is generally marine grade 5052-H38 in extra thick wall types. Way too heavy for our applications. Jim Baker 405.426.5377 -----Original Message----- From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> Sent: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 19:16 Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing Very surprised...irrigation tubing does not need to be a quality alloy...I am pretty sure I heard that the spars and boom tubes were 6063 or something near that alloy...Herb On 10/29/2016 04:41 PM, Jim Baker wrote: > > 6061-T6 > > Jim Baker > 405 426 5377 > > -----Original Message----- > From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 13:51 > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing > > > Herb- I don't see what alloy this stuff is made from, nor do I know what Kolb uses. I bought a new main tube from Kolb a few years ago, and don't recall what I paid. > > Bill Sullivan > -------------------------------------------- > On Sat, 10/29/16, Herb wrote: > > Subject: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Saturday, October 29, 2016, 12:55 PM > > Herb > > Wonder what quantity has to be bought..and what alloy? > Cannot be 500 > plus dollars for 20 feet! That would be a whole lot of > Lettuce !! > > some one near by..go over and check > out the dumpster! :-) Herb > > > > > > http://hastingsirrigation.com/node/13 > > Forum - > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > MATRONICS LIST WIKI - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 29, 2016
The sites showed some thin wall stuff... same as Kolb....058 and .051 or 052. as I recall...Kolb uses 6061 T6 tubing exclusively...but I do not think the spars and boom are? 6063 is not as strong...certainly... Herb On 10/29/2016 10:22 PM, jimbaker(at)npacc.net wrote: > > Pretty sure Kolbs are 6061. Center pivot irrigation stuff is generally marine grade 5052-H38 in extra thick wall types. Way too heavy for our applications. > > Jim Baker > 405.426.5377 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 19:16 > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing > > > Very surprised...irrigation tubing does not need to be a quality > alloy...I am pretty sure I heard that the spars and boom tubes were 6063 > or something near that alloy...Herb > > > On 10/29/2016 04:41 PM, Jim Baker wrote: >> >> 6061-T6 >> >> Jim Baker >> 405 426 5377 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> >> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com >> Sent: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 13:51 >> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing >> >> >> Herb- I don't see what alloy this stuff is made from, nor do I know what Kolb uses. I bought a new main tube from Kolb a few years ago, and don't recall what I paid. >> >> Bill Sullivan >> -------------------------------------------- >> On Sat, 10/29/16, Herb wrote: >> >> Subject: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing >> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com >> Date: Saturday, October 29, 2016, 12:55 PM >> >> Herb >> >> Wonder what quantity has to be bought..and what alloy? >> Cannot be 500 >> plus dollars for 20 feet! That would be a whole lot of >> Lettuce !! >> >> some one near by..go over and check >> out the dumpster! :-) Herb >> >> >> >> >> >> http://hastingsirrigation.com/node/13 >> >> Forum - >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> MATRONICS LIST WIKI - >> List Contribution Web Site - >> -Matt >> Dralle, List Admin. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2016
From: Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
SO a irrigation tube or3 would make For a good door beam frame in the pivot and lift =C2-style?=C2-Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker Michigan Sport Pilot Repair http://michigansportpilotrepair.comLSRM-A, PPC, WS Great Sails - Sailmaker for Ultralight & Light Sport (989)513-3022=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- On Sunday, October 30, 2016 12:53 AM, Herb wrote: The sites showed some thin wall stuff...=C2- same as Kolb....058 and .051 or 052.=C2- as I recall...Kolb uses 6061 T6=C2- tubing exclusively...bu t I do not think the spars and boom are? 6063 is not as strong...certainly... Herb On 10/29/2016 10:22 PM, jimbaker(at)npacc.net wrote: > > Pretty sure Kolbs are 6061. Center pivot irrigation stuff is generally ma rine grade 5052-H38 in extra thick wall types. Way too heavy for our applic ations. > > Jim Baker > 405.426.5377 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 19:16 > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing > > > Very surprised...irrigation tubing does not need to be a quality > alloy...I am pretty sure I heard that the spars and boom tubes were 6063 > or something near that alloy...Herb > > > On 10/29/2016 04:41 PM, Jim Baker wrote: >> >> 6061-T6 >> >> Jim Baker >> 405 426 5377 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> >> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com >> Sent: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 13:51 >> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing >> net> >> >>=C2- =C2- Herb- I don't see what alloy this stuff is made from, nor d o I know what Kolb uses.=C2- I bought a new main tube from Kolb a few yea rs ago, and don't recall what I paid. >> >>=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2 - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- Bill Sulliva n >> -------------------------------------------- >> On Sat, 10/29/16, Herb wrote: >> >>=C2- =C2- Subject: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing >>=C2- =C2- To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com >>=C2- =C2- Date: Saturday, October 29, 2016, 12:55 PM >>=C2- =C2- >>=C2- =C2- Herb >>=C2- =C2- >>=C2- =C2- Wonder what quantity has to be bought..and what alloy? >>=C2- =C2- Cannot be 500 >>=C2- =C2- plus dollars for 20 feet!=C2- That would be a whole lot o f >>=C2- =C2- Lettuce !! >>=C2- =C2- >>=C2- =C2- =C2- some one=C2- near by..go over and check >>=C2- =C2- out the dumpster! :-) Herb >>=C2- =C2- >>=C2- =C2- >>=C2- =C2- >>=C2- =C2- >>=C2- =C2- >>=C2- =C2- http://hastingsirrigation.com/node/13 >>=C2- =C2- >>=C2- =C2- Forum - >>=C2- =C2- =C2- - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >>=C2- =C2- MATRONICS LIST WIKI - >>=C2- =C2- List Contribution Web Site - >>=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt >>=C2- =C2- Dralle, List Admin. >>=C2- =C2- >>=C2- =C2- >>=C2- =C2- >>=C2- =C2- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democra cies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and w hat does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" wh o is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... S - WIKI - - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2016
From: Jim Baker <jimbaker(at)npacc.net>
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5052_aluminium_alloy If you're looking for strength and weldability, as long as you can verify the alloy series, 5052 should work well in a structural setting. Jim Baker 405 426 5377 -----Original Message----- From: Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 6:42 Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing ------=_Part_571230_631422605.1477824138294 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SO a irrigation tube or3 would make For a good door beam frame in the pivot and lift =C2-style?=C2-Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker Michigan Sport Pilot Repair http://michigansportpilotrepair.comLSRM-A, PPC, WS Great Sails - Sailmaker for Ultralight & Light Sport (989)513-3022=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- On Sunday, October 30, 2016 12:53 AM, Herb wrote: The sites showed some thin wall stuff...=C2- same as Kolb....058 and .051 or 052.=C2- as I recall...Kolb uses 6061 T6=C2- tubing exclusively...bu t I do not think the spars and boom are? 6063 is not as strong...certainly... Herb On 10/29/2016 10:22 PM, jimbaker(at)npacc.net wrote: > > Pretty sure Kolbs are 6061. Center pivot irrigation stuff is generally ma rine grade 5052-H38 in extra thick wall types. Way too heavy for our applic ations. > > Jim Baker > 405.426.5377 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 19:16 > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing > > > Very surprised...irrigation tubing does not need to be a quality > alloy...I am pretty sure I heard that the spars and boom tubes were 6063 > or something near that alloy...Herb > > > On 10/29/2016 04:41 PM, Jim Baker wrote: >> >> 6061-T6 >> >> Jim Baker >> 405 426 5377 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> >> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com >> Sent: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 13:51 >> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing >> net> >> >>=C2- =C2- Herb- I don't see what alloy this stuff is made from, nor d o I know what Kolb uses.=C2- I bought a new main tube from Kolb a few yea rs ago, and don't recall what I paid. >> >>=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2 - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- Bill Sulliva n >> -------------------------------------------- >> On Sat, 10/29/16, Herb wrote: >> >>=C2- =C2- Subject: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing >>=C2- =C2- To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com >>=C2- =C2- Date: Saturday, October 29, 2016, 12:55 PM >>=C2- =C2- >>=C2- =C2- Herb >>=C2- =C2- >>=C2- =C2- Wonder what quantity has to be bought..and what alloy? >>=C2- =C2- Cannot be 500 >>=C2- =C2- plus dollars for 20 feet!=C2- That would be a whole lot o f >>=C2- =C2- Lettuce !! >>=C2- =C2- >>=C2- =C2- =C2- some one=C2- near by..go over and check >>=C2- =C2- out the dumpster! :-) Herb >>=C2- =C2- >>=C2- =C2- >>=C2- =C2- >>=C2- =C2- >>=C2- =C2- >>=C2- =C2- http://hastingsirrigation.com/node/13 >>=C2- =C2- >>=C2- =C2- Forum - >>=C2- =C2- =C2- - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >>=C2- =C2- MATRONICS LIST WIKI - >>=C2- =C2- List Contribution Web Site - >>=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt >>=C2- =C2- Dralle, List Admin. >>=C2- =C2- >>=C2- =C2- >>=C2- =C2- >>=C2- =C2- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democra cies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and w hat does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" wh o is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... S - WIKI - - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ------=_Part_571230_631422605.1477824138294 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Sunday, October 30, 2016 12:53 AM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc .com> wrote:


- -> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>

The s ites showed some thin wall stuff...  same as Kolb....058 and .051
or 052.  as I recall...Kolb uses 6061 T6  tubing exclusively...bu t I do
not think the spars and boom are? 6063 is not as strong...certai nly... Herb


On 10/29/2016 10:22 PM, jimbaker(at)npacc.net wrot e:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jimbaker(at)npacc.net
& gt;
> Pretty sure Kolbs are 6061. Center pivot irrigation stuff is ge nerally marine grade 5052-H38 in extra thick wall types. Way too heavy for our applications.
>
> Jim Baker
> 405.426.5377
>
Herbgh(at)nctc.com>< br>> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sat, 29 Oc t 2016 19:16
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
&g t;
> Very surprised...irrigation tubing does not need to be a quality
> alloy...I am pretty sure I heard that the spars and boom tubes wer e 6063
> or something near that alloy...Herb
>
>
> On 10/29/2016 04:41 PM, Jim Baker wrote:
>> --> Kolb-List messa ge posted by: Jim Baker <jimbaker(at)npacc.net>
>>
&g t;> 6061-T6
>>
>> Jim Baker
>> 405 426 5377williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
>> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
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>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing
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>>    Herb- I don't see what alloy this stuff is made from, nor do I know what Kolb uses.  I bought a new main tube from Kolb a few years ago, and do n't recall what I paid.
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>>    Wonder what quantity has to be bought..and what alloy?
>>    Cannot be 500
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Date: Oct 30, 2016
From: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
Anyone who is suggesting the use of industrial, irrigation, or plumbing parts as a straight-across substitute for the materials thatw ere specified in the original engineering DAMN well better have the engineering ability and qualifications to back it up. The person suggesting 5052 as an equivalent material... can you provide the engineering basis or qualifications for making that statement please? If my suspicions are correct (maybe yes, maybe no), I need to nip this in the bud right here and now. There is no need for any welding on the Kolb spars or fuselage tube, so a "weldable" alloy has no advantage whatsoever. "Durable" is also a very misleading term. Pure aluminium (1100 series) is "durable" because it is highly corrosion resistant. It also has very very little strength, stiffness, and load-carrying ability. So if you build an airplane out of any old "durable" materials, your wing spar could break, but the broken piece would be nice and shiny and rust-free for the funeral. 7075 alloy (develkoped for the B-29 bomber in WW2) is not very resistant to corrosion, but it is the strongest of the normal aluminum alloys. So you have to take better care of it corrosion wise, but you will have a wing spar that can take a LOT more G loads before breaking, and causing the funeral. I don't know about any of you guys, but I've been to way too many !(#*$ funerals in aviation,and if I can prevent one more needless funeral by opening up my great big mouth here then I sure as heck will. An average non-engineer homebuilder (like me) CANNOT make decisions to substitute materials in the majority of cases. There are some of us with some amount of experience, who may have have learned anough from the real engineers to make a few basic decisions conservatively. But not for wing spars and fuselage tailbooms. As a GENERAL rule in aviation, you can USUALLY substitute 2024-T3 for 6061-T6 and have higher strength and equal stiffness. But there are even plenty of exceptions to this, because you cannot weld 2024-T3 very well. So if you are welding, you are usually stuck with the 6061. When you weld it you lose the majority of the stiffness (resistance to bending under load), and you essentially have a casting instead of a heat treated material. You CANNOT substitute 6061 for 2024, you lose strength. I also believe you cannot substitute 5052 for 6061, because you lose strength. You cannot substitute 2024 for 7075, because 7075 is quite a bit stronger/stiffer than even 2024 "airplane" alloy. Again, I am not a trained aircraft structures engineer. But substituting 5052 for 6061 or 6063 alloy SEEMS to be wrong to me. Any real, trained strctural engineers here on this forum can feel free to correct me. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 30, 2016
Here's an idea. Call Brian at TNK and order the tubing you want. I know we all want to save money. However, paying a little more to support TNK and get tubing that works seems like a reasonable thing to me. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461745#461745 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2016
From: Jim Baker <jimbaker(at)npacc.net>
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
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Date: Oct 30, 2016
From: Jim Baker <jimbaker(at)npacc.net>
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
Yer wraped around the axle for no reason. The initial conversation was about alum tubing suitable for a hangar/hangar door, not for an aircraft. Geez. Jim Baker 405 426 5377 -----Original Message----- From: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> Sent: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 16:59 Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing Anyone who is suggesting the use of industrial, irrigation, or plumbing parts as a straight-across substitute for the materials thatw ere specified in the original engineering DAMN well better have the engineering ability and qualifications to back it up. The person suggesting 5052 as an equivalent material... can you provide the engineering basis or qualifications for making that statement please? If my suspicions are correct (maybe yes, maybe no), I need to nip this in the bud right here and now. There is no need for any welding on the Kolb spars or fuselage tube, so a "weldable" alloy has no advantage whatsoever. "Durable" is also a very misleading term. Pure aluminium (1100 series) is "durable" because it is highly corrosion resistant. It also has very very little strength, stiffness, and load-carrying ability. So if you build an airplane out of any old "durable" materials, your wing spar could break, but the broken piece would be nice and shiny and rust-free for the funeral. 7075 alloy (develkoped for the B-29 bomber in WW2) is not very resistant to corrosion, but it is the strongest of the normal aluminum alloys. So you have to take better care of it corrosion wise, but you will have a wing spar that can take a LOT more G loads before breaking, and causing the funeral. I don't know about any of you guys, but I've been to way too many !(#*$ funerals in aviation,and if I can prevent one more needless funeral by opening up my great big mouth here then I sure as heck will. An average non-engineer homebuilder (like me) CANNOT make decisions to substitute materials in the majority of cases. There are some of us with some amount of experience, who may have have learned anough from the real engineers to make a few basic decisions conservatively. But not for wing spars and fuselage tailbooms. As a GENERAL rule in aviation, you can USUALLY substitute 2024-T3 for 6061-T6 and have higher strength and equal stiffness. But there are even plenty of exceptions to this, because you cannot weld 2024-T3 very well. So if you are welding, you are usually stuck with the 6061. When you weld it you lose the majority of the stiffness (resistance to bending under load), and you essentially have a casting instead of a heat treated material. You CANNOT substitute 6061 for 2024, you lose strength. I also believe you cannot substitute 5052 for 6061, because you lose strength. You cannot substitute 2024 for 7075, because 7075 is quite a bit stronger/stiffer than even 2024 "airplane" alloy. Again, I am not a trained aircraft structures engineer. But substituting 5052 for 6061 or 6063 alloy SEEMS to be wrong to me. Any real, trained strctural engineers here on this forum can feel free to correct me. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 30, 2016
I may have started the discussion...it is a discussion? right? Inquiring minds want to know... Way back in the dark recesses of my brain...I seem to recall that the spars and boom are not 6061 T6.. but 6063...t651 ...from memory..could be and likely am wrong...said so to the list...nothing wrong with that ...right?? Hoping someone would have the answer... I know ...call Bryan.....:-) Not advocating anything except good common sense... and it works this way...I am my own business...operate to always be in the black...and if I send 500+ dollars to anyone..when I could buy for half or less..then my good business sense says to do it... I make charitable contributions because I am in the black......to childrens hospitals and the like. but not to a business..as much as I like that particular business...In the end...a business must stand on its own profit and loss statement...and bottom line... Right??? Herb On 10/30/2016 05:42 PM, Jim Baker wrote: > > Yer wraped around the axle for no reason. The initial conversation was about alum tubing suitable for a hangar/hangar door, not for an aircraft. > > Geez. > > Jim Baker > 405 426 5377 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 16:59 > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing > > > Anyone who is suggesting the use of industrial, irrigation, or plumbing parts as a straight-across substitute for the materials thatw ere specified in the original engineering DAMN well better have the engineering ability and qualifications to back it up. > > The person suggesting 5052 as an equivalent material... can you provide the engineering basis or qualifications for making that statement please? If my suspicions are correct (maybe yes, maybe no), I need to nip this in the bud right here and now. > > There is no need for any welding on the Kolb spars or fuselage tube, so a "weldable" alloy has no advantage whatsoever. "Durable" is also a very misleading term. Pure aluminium (1100 series) is "durable" because it is highly corrosion resistant. It also has very very little strength, stiffness, and load-carrying ability. So if you build an airplane out of any old "durable" materials, your wing spar could break, but the broken piece would be nice and shiny and rust-free for the funeral. 7075 alloy (develkoped for the B-29 bomber in WW2) is not very resistant to corrosion, but it is the strongest of the normal aluminum alloys. So you have to take better care of it corrosion wise, but you will have a wing spar that can take a LOT more G loads before breaking, and causing the funeral. I don't know about any of you guys, but I've been to way too many !(#*$ funerals in aviation,and if I can prevent one more needless funeral by opening up my great big mouth here then I sure as heck > > will. > > An average non-engineer homebuilder (like me) CANNOT make decisions to substitute materials in the majority of cases. There are some of us with some amount of experience, who may have have learned anough from the real engineers to make a few basic decisions conservatively. But not for wing spars and fuselage tailbooms. > > As a GENERAL rule in aviation, you can USUALLY substitute 2024-T3 for 6061-T6 and have higher strength and equal stiffness. But there are even plenty of exceptions to this, because you cannot weld 2024-T3 very well. So if you are welding, you are usually stuck with the 6061. When you weld it you lose the majority of the stiffness (resistance to bending under load), and you essentially have a casting instead of a heat treated material. > > You CANNOT substitute 6061 for 2024, you lose strength. I also believe you cannot substitute 5052 for 6061, because you lose strength. You cannot substitute 2024 for 7075, because 7075 is quite a bit stronger/stiffer than even 2024 "airplane" alloy. > > Again, I am not a trained aircraft structures engineer. But substituting 5052 for 6061 or 6063 alloy SEEMS to be wrong to me. Any real, trained strctural engineers here on this forum can feel free to correct me. > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2016
From: <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
Thanks for posting your comments below, Rex. Folks, the only thing that keeps Kolb Aircraft alive is us few that still support them. They are an extremely small company with shallow pockets. What they have, parts to keep our aging aircraft alive, will disappear if they do not continue to stay in business. Support Kolb Aircraft. Besides, you won't meet finer folks anywhere. john h mkIII El Centro, California ---- Rex Rodebush wrote: > > Here's an idea. Call Brian at TNK and order the tubing you want. I know we all want to save money. However, paying a little more to support TNK and get tubing that works seems like a reasonable thing to me. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461745#461745 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2016
From: <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: 5 and 6 inch tubing
...I am pretty sure I heard that the spars and boom tubes were 6063 or something near that alloy...Herb Herb/Kolbers: 5 and 6 inch booms and spars are drawn for irrigation pipe. They are 6061 T-6 .058" wall. Biggest problem for Kolb is finding tubes that do not have dents and scratches. That tubing is not handled with kid gloves once it is manufactured. I remember the Kolb Gang going to the factory and going through many, many tubes to find the "good" ones. The 6061 is probably used for circle irrigation systems because of the increased strength required to keep the system together. The "el cheapo" non-spec'd tubing is probably used for systems that are laid out on the ground and not mobile. john h mkIII El Centro, California ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 30, 2016
Didn't pick up that the tubing was for a garage door. Not sure what a garage door has to do with Kolb aircraft. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461751#461751 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Oct 30, 2016
I went to the barn and looked at all of my 5 inch tubes that I bought from Kolb many years back..they had a trailer full of scratch and dents..None had the typical rolled on alloy identification. .Travis explained that they were perfectly good but if they sent a spar or boom to a customer, it had to be perfect...so..I bought quite a few of them.. Stayed away from scratches and bought those with small dents.. dollar a foot...wish I had bought more.. By the way...I have a good set of Firefly spars...I went with single lift struts,ala firestar, on my first Firefly...unfortunately...all the holes are drilled for the ribs...no extra charge...:-) 6061 T6 it is...!! :-) who would have thought...25 or so dollars a foot!! Herb On 10/30/2016 06:50 PM, jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com wrote: > > > ...I am pretty sure I heard that the spars and boom tubes were 6063 or something near that alloy...Herb > > > Herb/Kolbers: > > 5 and 6 inch booms and spars are drawn for irrigation pipe. They are 6061 T-6 .058" wall. > > Biggest problem for Kolb is finding tubes that do not have dents and scratches. That tubing is not handled with kid gloves once it is manufactured. I remember the Kolb Gang going to the factory and going through many, many tubes to find the "good" ones. > > The 6061 is probably used for circle irrigation systems because of the increased strength required to keep the system together. The "el cheapo" non-spec'd tubing is probably used for systems that are laid out on the ground and not mobile. > > > john h > mkIII > El Centro, California > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
From: Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 30, 2016
On 10/30/2016 7:11 PM, Rex Rodebush wrote: > > Didn't pick up that the tubing was for a garage door. Not sure what a garage door has to do with Kolb aircraft. > > I don't remember what the original subject was, but I doubt it was about garage doors. That was probably my fault. I posted a pic of the hangar door I built using irrigation tubing; intended as a joking response to the question about strength of irrigation tubing. I'd never recommend using used ag products as aircraft structure. But as John pointed out, the irrigation tubing is pretty strong. What does a 30 foot long 6" diameter tube of water weigh? Charlie ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net>
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
Date: Oct 30, 2016
365.7 pounds. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 7:59 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing On 10/30/2016 7:11 PM, Rex Rodebush wrote: > > Didn't pick up that the tubing was for a garage door. Not sure what a garage door has to do with Kolb aircraft. > > I don't remember what the original subject was, but I doubt it was about garage doors. That was probably my fault. I posted a pic of the hangar door I built using irrigation tubing; intended as a joking response to the question about strength of irrigation tubing. I'd never recommend using used ag products as aircraft structure. But as John pointed out, the irrigation tubing is pretty strong. What does a 30 foot long 6" diameter tube of water weigh? Charlie ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 10/29/16
Date: Oct 31, 2016
> Wonder what quantity has to be bought..and what alloy? Cannot be 500 plus dollars for 20 feet! My bud here in Fresno CA went out of business and has lots of various things in his shop. He has several tubes- I think exactly what Kolb used- and he wants to get rid of the stuff. MUCH cheaper than new, yet this has been stored inside since he bought it new. I don't recall what he was asking. I can put ya'll in touch with him if you have any interest. I remember changing the sprinklers on the alfalfa fields at night. Those kind of tubes you had to unlatch each section and carry it to the new location then reassemble. I remember how flexible they seemed. I'm sure things have changed but I sure wouldn't want that on my plane. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 31, 2016
From: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
I'm sorry. I didn't know that this conversation was regarding hangar doors. I had thought that the discussion was about sources for the 5 and 6 inch diameter tubes used on Kolb spars and fuselage (tailboom) tubes. Being a city boy myself, I have absolutely never seen a hangar that required very thin wall 5 or 6 inch aluminum tubes for the structure, that just happened to be the same materials as what the Kolb aircraft structure uses. I'm genuinely sorry about getting wrapped around the axle if a hangar door was really the subject of the discussion. Any of us who have been around airplanes for a while, and gone to funerals that didn't need to happen, are a little bit trigger-happy about this kind of stuff. I woke up one day and realized that I was the "silly old guy" at the airport who was warning the younger pilots not to do stupid things, and to check stuff two or three times before you fly. It seemed like it was just the day before when I was the smart-ass young pilot, all testosterone and no brains, and laughing at the silly old guys at the airport who were always shaking their finger at me about safety and risk. I could hear all of the old guys roaring with laughter up in the clouds. I would humbly suggest that instead of thin wall 5 or 6 inch aluminum tube, you use galvanized conduit, or square steel tube, for your hangar. A whole lot cheaper, easier to work with, doesn't dent as easily, and the thicker wall materials can have a bolt through them without the bolt hole getting loose in a week. Thin wall aluminum tube is really an incorrect material for a hangar in my opinion. Otherwise you would see all the airport hangars and Butler Buildings and barns made out of it I guess. Bill Yer wraped around the axle for no reason. The initial conversation was about alum tubing suitable for a hangar/hangar door, not for an aircraft. Geez. Jim Baker ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
From: Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 31, 2016
Hi Bill, As I said earlier, I have no idea what the original subject was; I might not have ever seen the original post. I get individual emails from the list; I suspect that I don't see some of the posts made directly to the forum version. As far as I know, I'm the one that mentioned hangar doors made from irrigation tubing (intended as a good natured diversion; something that's apparently hard to achieve on this list...). Obviously, steel is a better choice, generally, for hangar doors. But a local farm operation was selling a large quantity of 6"x30' sections for a dollar a foot. That, combined with some old highway signs from the scrap yard for gussets and some rivets (driven where I could reach both sides and 3/16" 'pop' where I couldn't), resulted in a 10'x30' one-piece door with counter weight that was much cheaper than a steel frame and light enough for me to assemble and hang without any outside assistance from man or lifting machine. And if nothing else, it's a great conversation piece when a new visitor arrives and I open the door with a light shove. :-) You're absolutely right that no one should be substituting materials in an a/c without knowing exactly what they are doing. But it's also extremely unlikely that a low volume a/c kit company is having custom seamless tubing extrusions made for spars and/or tail booms. The trick (if one is intent on bypassing the kit company) is to know exactly the specs of the off-the-shelf product the kit company is using. And now, back to our regularly scheduled humorless pokes and jabs programming. (That's a joke, son...) Charlie On 10/31/2016 12:24 PM, Bill Berle wrote: > > I'm sorry. I didn't know that this conversation was regarding hangar doors. I had thought that the discussion was about sources for the 5 and 6 inch diameter tubes used on Kolb spars and fuselage (tailboom) tubes. > > Being a city boy myself, I have absolutely never seen a hangar that required very thin wall 5 or 6 inch aluminum tubes for the structure, that just happened to be the same materials as what the Kolb aircraft structure uses. > > I'm genuinely sorry about getting wrapped around the axle if a hangar door was really the subject of the discussion. Any of us who have been around airplanes for a while, and gone to funerals that didn't need to happen, are a little bit trigger-happy about this kind of stuff. I woke up one day and realized that I was the "silly old guy" at the airport who was warning the younger pilots not to do stupid things, and to check stuff two or three times before you fly. It seemed like it was just the day before when I was the smart-ass young pilot, all testosterone and no brains, and laughing at the silly old guys at the airport who were always shaking their finger at me about safety and risk. I could hear all of the old guys roaring with laughter up in the clouds. > > I would humbly suggest that instead of thin wall 5 or 6 inch aluminum tube, you use galvanized conduit, or square steel tube, for your hangar. A whole lot cheaper, easier to work with, doesn't dent as easily, and the thicker wall materials can have a bolt through them without the bolt hole getting loose in a week. Thin wall aluminum tube is really an incorrect material for a hangar in my opinion. Otherwise you would see all the airport hangars and Butler Buildings and barns made out of it I guess. > > Bill > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 31, 2016
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
Bill/All I thought the discussion was for our Kolb airplanes also, so if it really wasn't there were a bunch of us that thought it was. I support Bill's comments 100%. It's good for the quality of our airplanes, their reputation, and it keeps more people alive. Just buy from Kolb and you will get the right stuff. It is also very important buy from Kolb to keep our factory support alive and well. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Bill Berle wrote: > > I'm sorry. I didn't know that this conversation was regarding hangar > doors. I had thought that the discussion was about sources for the 5 and 6 > inch diameter tubes used on Kolb spars and fuselage (tailboom) tubes. > > Being a city boy myself, I have absolutely never seen a hangar that > required very thin wall 5 or 6 inch aluminum tubes for the structure, that > just happened to be the same materials as what the Kolb aircraft structure > uses. > > I'm genuinely sorry about getting wrapped around the axle if a hangar door > was really the subject of the discussion. Any of us who have been around > airplanes for a while, and gone to funerals that didn't need to happen, are > a little bit trigger-happy about this kind of stuff. I woke up one day and > realized that I was the "silly old guy" at the airport who was warning the > younger pilots not to do stupid things, and to check stuff two or three > times before you fly. It seemed like it was just the day before when I was > the smart-ass young pilot, all testosterone and no brains, and laughing at > the silly old guys at the airport who were always shaking their finger at > me about safety and risk. I could hear all of the old guys roaring with > laughter up in the clouds. > > I would humbly suggest that instead of thin wall 5 or 6 inch aluminum > tube, you use galvanized conduit, or square steel tube, for your hangar. A > whole lot cheaper, easier to work with, doesn't dent as easily, and the > thicker wall materials can have a bolt through them without the bolt hole > getting loose in a week. Thin wall aluminum tube is really an incorrect > material for a hangar in my opinion. Otherwise you would see all the > airport hangars and Butler Buildings and barns made out of it I guess. > > Bill > > > Yer wraped around the axle for no reason. The initial conversation was > about alum tubing suitable for a hangar/hangar door, not for an aircraft. > > Geez. > > Jim Baker > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 31, 2016
From: Jim Baker <jimbaker(at)npacc.net>
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
Didn't mean to sound high and mighty. I was confused right along with y'all. At first I thought it was about Kolbs but then got an email off list that asked, so...its OK to use for a door. That, in conjunction with the hangar picture, is where I thought that conversation was headed. Instead, I think I just steered it into the weeds. Apologies to all...... Jim Baker 405 426 5377 -----Original Message----- From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> Sent: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 14:45 Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing --001a114b05fc958f3505402d9b0d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Bill/All I thought the discussion was for our Kolb airplanes also, so if it really wasn't there were a bunch of us that thought it was. I support Bill's comments 100%. It's good for the quality of our airplanes, their reputation, and it keeps more people alive. Just buy from Kolb and you will get the right stuff. It is also very important buy from Kolb to keep our factory support alive and well. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Bill Berle wrote: > > I'm sorry. I didn't know that this conversation was regarding hangar > doors. I had thought that the discussion was about sources for the 5 and 6 > inch diameter tubes used on Kolb spars and fuselage (tailboom) tubes. > > Being a city boy myself, I have absolutely never seen a hangar that > required very thin wall 5 or 6 inch aluminum tubes for the structure, that > just happened to be the same materials as what the Kolb aircraft structure > uses. > > I'm genuinely sorry about getting wrapped around the axle if a hangar door > was really the subject of the discussion. Any of us who have been around > airplanes for a while, and gone to funerals that didn't need to happen, are > a little bit trigger-happy about this kind of stuff. I woke up one day and > realized that I was the "silly old guy" at the airport who was warning the > younger pilots not to do stupid things, and to check stuff two or three > times before you fly. It seemed like it was just the day before when I was > the smart-ass young pilot, all testosterone and no brains, and laughing at > the silly old guys at the airport who were always shaking their finger at > me about safety and risk. I could hear all of the old guys roaring with > laughter up in the clouds. > > I would humbly suggest that instead of thin wall 5 or 6 inch aluminum > tube, you use galvanized conduit, or square steel tube, for your hangar. A > whole lot cheaper, easier to work with, doesn't dent as easily, and the > thicker wall materials can have a bolt through them without the bolt hole > getting loose in a week. Thin wall aluminum tube is really an incorrect > material for a hangar in my opinion. Otherwise you would see all the > airport hangars and Butler Buildings and barns made out of it I guess. > > Bill > > > Yer wraped around the axle for no reason. The initial conversation was > about alum tubing suitable for a hangar/hangar door, not for an aircraft. > > Geez. > > Jim Baker > > --001a114b05fc958f3505402d9b0d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bil l/All

I thought the discu ssion was for our Kolb airplanes also, so if it really wasn't there wer e a bunch of us that thought it was. I support Bill's comments 100%. It 's good for the quality of our airplanes, their reputation, and it keep s more people alive. Just buy from Kolb and you will get the right stuff. I t is also very important buy from Kolb to keep our factory support alive an d well.

Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglob al.net> wrote:
--> Kolb- List message posted by: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>

I'm sorry. I didn't know that this conversation was regarding hanga r doors. I had thought that the discussion was about sources for the 5 and 6 inch diameter tubes used on Kolb spars and fuselage (tailboom) tubes.

Being a city boy myself, I have absolutely never seen a hangar that require d very thin wall 5 or 6 inch aluminum tubes for the structure, that just ha ppened to be the same materials as what the Kolb aircraft structure uses.
I'm genuinely sorry about getting wrapped around the axle if a hangar d oor was really the subject of the discussion. Any of us who have been aroun d airplanes for a while, and gone to funerals that didn't need to happe n, are a little bit trigger-happy about this kind of stuff. I woke up one d ay and realized that I was the "silly old guy" at the airport who was warning the younger pilots not to do stupid things, and to check stuff two or three times before you fly. It seemed like it was just the day befo re when I was the smart-ass young pilot, all testosterone and no brains, an d laughing at the silly old guys at the airport who were always shaking the ir finger at me about safety and risk. I could hear all of the old guys roa ring with laughter up in the clouds.

I would humbly suggest that instead of thin wall 5 or 6 inch aluminum tube, you use galvanized conduit, or square steel tube, for your hangar. A whole lot cheaper, easier to work with, doesn't dent as easily, and the thic ker wall materials can have a bolt through them without the bolt hole getti ng loose in a week. Thin wall aluminum tube is really an incorrect material for a hangar in my opinion. Otherwise you would see all the airport hangar s and Butler Buildings and barns made out of it I guess.

Bill

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=C2-Yer wraped around the axle for no reason. The initial conversation wa s about alum tubing suitable for a hangar/hangar door, not for an aircraft.

=C2-Geez.

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From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 02, 2016
Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
Amen to supporting Kolb. They give so much to all of us and I take comfort in just knowing they're out there, ready, willing and able to help. When I first got my Mk III it was Travis who helped me solve my landing problems. The funny thing was, Travis isn't a pilot but he picked up so much from all the pilots he talked to that he knew exactly what I was doing wrong. I followed his ideas and my landings improved almost instantly. Where else are we going to get service like that? Rick Girard On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 6:40 PM, wrote: > > Thanks for posting your comments below, Rex. > > Folks, the only thing that keeps Kolb Aircraft alive is us few that still > support them. They are an extremely small company with shallow pockets. > What they have, parts to keep our aging aircraft alive, will disappear if > they do not continue to stay in business. > > Support Kolb Aircraft. > > Besides, you won't meet finer folks anywhere. > > john h > mkIII > El Centro, California > > > ---- Rex Rodebush wrote: > > > > Here's an idea. Call Brian at TNK and order the tubing you want. I > know we all want to save money. However, paying a little more to support > TNK and get tubing that works seems like a reasonable thing to me. > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461745#461745 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx> ________________________________________________________________________________
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Thank You thats a pretty cool place! -------- 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=462341#462341 ________________________________________________________________________________
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From: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Firestar KXP
Someone had posted on the Kolb List that they were looking for a Firestar 1 or KXP. Herb was that you? I ran across this, may be of interest: https://billings.craigslist.org/for/5864063598.html Kolb firestar KXP E-LSA, Rotax 503, DCDI, 52 HP, Appx. 200 hrs., fresh covering on wings, runs and flies great. Very clean and in good condition. Phone 406-839-0826. NO text. So whoever is looking for the FS1, maybe the Kolb List can make sure that the message gets to him. Bill Berle www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 10/30/16, Herb wrote: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Date: Sunday, October 30, 2016, 4:21 PM Herb I went to the barn and looked at all of my 5 inch tubes that I bought from Kolb many years back..they had a trailer full of scratch and dents..None had the typical rolled on alloy identification. .Travis explained that they were perfectly good but if they sent a spar or boom to a customer, it had to be perfect...so..I bought quite a few of them.. Stayed away from scratches and bought those with small dents.. dollar a foot...wish I had bought more.. By the way...I have a good set of Firefly spars...I went with single lift struts,ala firestar, on my first Firefly...unfortunately...all the holes are drilled for the ribs...no extra charge...:-) 6061 T6 it is...!! :-) who would have thought...25 or so dollars a foot!! Herb On 10/30/2016 06:50 PM, jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com wrote: > > > > ...I am pretty sure I heard that the spars and boom tubes were 6063 or something near that alloy...Herb > > >Herb/Kolbers: > > 5 and 6 inch booms and spars are drawn for irrigation pipe. They are 6061 T-6 .058" wall. > > Biggest problem for Kolb is finding tubes that do not have dents and scratches. That tubing is not handled with kid gloves once it is manufactured. I remember the Kolb Gang going to the factory and going through many, many tubes to find the "good" ones. > > The 6061 is probably used for circle irrigation systems because of the increased strength required to keep the system together. The "el cheapo" non-spec'd tubing is probably used for systems that are laid out on the ground and not mobile. > > > john h > mkIII > El Centro, California > > > > > > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - MATRONICS LIST WIKI - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2016
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in
December! Dear Listers, The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 13, 2016
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [PLEASE READ] Why I Have A Fund Raiser...
Since the beginning, the Matronics List and Forum experience has been free from advertising. I have been approached by fair number of vendors wanting to tap into the large volume of activity across the various lists hosted here, but have always flatly refused. Everywhere you go on the Internet these days, a user is pummeled with flashing banners and videos and ads for crap that they don't want. Yahoo, Google and that ilk are not "free". The user must constantly endure their barrage of commercialism thrust into their face at an ever increasing rate. Enough is enough, and the Lists at Matronics choose not to succumb to that. That being said, running a service of this size is not "free". It costs a lot of money to maintain the hardware, pay for the electricity, air conditioning, maintenance contracts, etc, etc. etc. I choose to hold a PBS-like fund raiser each year during the month of November where I simply send out a short email every other day asking the members to make a small contribution to support the operation. That being said, that contribution is completely voluntary and non-compulsory. Many members choose not to contribute and that's fine. However, a very modest percentage of the members do choose to make a contribution and it is that financial support that keeps the Lists running. And that's it. To my way of thinking, it is a much more pleasant way of maintaining the Lists and Forums. The other 11 months of the year, you don't see a single advertisement or request for support. That's refreshing and that is a List and Forum that I want to belong to. I think other people feel the same way. Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support these Lists? http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 15, 2016
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Reminder
Dear Listers, A quick reminder that November is the annual Matronics List Fund Raiser. The Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are covered solely through your Contributions during this time of the year. *Your* personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free. Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running for another great year! Use a credit card or your PayPal account here: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by sending a personal check to: Matronics / Matt Dralle 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 17, 2016
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What's Your Contribution Used For?
Dear Listers, You might have wondered at some point, "What's my Contribution used for?" Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables... It provides for the expensive, commercial-grade Internet connection used on the List. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest performance possible for List services such as the Archive Search Engine, List Browser, and the Web Forums. It pays for the over 23 years of on-line archive data always available for instant search and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications that power these List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki. But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation, censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables all these aspects of Matronics List services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of the best investments you can make in your Sport! List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or, you can send a personal check to the following address: Matronics / Matt Dralle 581 Jeannie Way Livermore, CA 94550 Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net>
Subject: Win or Loose please donate to the Matronics List Strong...
Date: Nov 18, 2016
Kolbrers, Whether you voted, didnt vote, are worried or pleased please dont forget to donate to the Matronics List Enjoy, Nick Cassara Snow free Palmer, Alaska ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Be out noise electronic trouble
From: "jamlieleven" <jamlieleven(at)muchomail.com>
Date: Nov 19, 2016
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Subject: Re: Be out noise electronic trouble
From: Russ Kinne <russk50(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 19, 2016
THIS NOTHING BUT A SALES PITCH - NOTHING TO DO WITH KOLBS PLEASE GO ELSEWHERE > On Nov 19, 2016, at 11:07 AM, jamlieleven wrote: > > > Mobile phone becomes so important in our lives that we don't know how to live without it. It is more than a mobile phone, it is our movie center, our game box, our wallet, our computer, our camera, our music player, actually it is a closer friend of us. It makes us to live easier lives. But at the same time, it pushs us to trouble situations when it becomes more and more popular, so mobile phone jammer (http://www.skybuying.com/category-177-b0.html) comes. Someone may want to know what is a mobile phone jammer. The mobile phone jammer, as a new technology device, is a kind of device that can be used to block the signal of mobile phone from the base station. It could help us to use mobile phones better and better. It gives us a peaceful life in the world of mobile phones. It is a helpful assistant when we don't need to be disturbed by mobile phone noise. Now the mobile phone jammer is widely used in many kinds of places, like meeting room, theater, church, library, ! > government, gas station, examination room, military area and so on. > > A very good example is, the mobile phone jammer help to solve the problem of cheating in school, which ensures the equity in student exams. When it is installed in church, court, library, meeting room, theater, it can prevent mobile phone from receiving signals, which maintains absolute silence. As is known to us, using mobile phones in the gas station may be dangerous, when mobile phone jammers applied in gas stations, they can block mobile phone signals so as to ensure the safety in the gas station. They are also necessities of government and military field, which can also be seen as the guarantee of military security. > > First, it comes our universal mobile phone signal jammer. It has compact size that is only slightly bigger than a standard IPOD. With a built-in heat dissipative design, this mini mobile phone jammer will not generate an undue amount of heat. It can run on AC power, battery power or recharging from AC charger (110/220V). It can block the signals in a range of 15 meters. What makes it the best-selling mobile phone jammer? The price maybe also an important factor. It cost you less than 80 dollars, everyone could afford to buy this cheap but perfect mobile phone jammer. > > On the other hand, we also offer high power mobile phone blocker (http://www.skybuying.com/) and professional mobile phone jammer for special purpose. In the next, we want to introduce you our 70W high power mobile phone jammer with Omni- directional Antenna. It can block all kinds of mobile phone signals. With the AC adapter, it can work continuously with a total output power of 70W. Besides, its built-in cooling fan enables it to have the good heat dissipation. Equipped with Omni-directional Antenna, it can jamming signal from all directions and its jamming range can reach up 1000 meters. > > Besides of above two mobile phone jammers, we have many other mobile phone jammers also. They have different jamming distance, different functions, different outlook, different weight, different size, they could meet different requirement. If you are interested in the mobile phone jammers, if you have the request, you may want to know more about them. Just come to our website, here you could find all kinds of mobile phone jammers as well as much knowledge about the jammers. As a professional jammer supplier, we provide the most advanced mobile phone jammers at the most reasonable price. But there is one very important thing you should know before you buy a mobile phone jammer, please check the raw of your country, make sure it is legal to buy and use a mobile phone jammer in your place. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=462754#462754 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 19, 2016
Subject: Re: Be out noise electronic trouble
This post has no place on our list. Matt, can you get this person blocked. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 11:07 AM, jamlieleven wrote: > > Mobile phone becomes so important in our lives that we don't know how to > live without it. It is more than a mobile phone, it is our movie center, > our game box, our wallet, our computer, our camera, our music player, > actually it is a closer friend of us. It makes us to live easier lives. > But at the same time, it pushs us to trouble situations when it becomes > more and more popular, so mobile phone jammer ( > http://www.skybuying.com/category-177-b0.html) comes. Someone may want > to know what is a mobile phone jammer. The mobile phone jammer, as a new > technology device, is a kind of device that can be used to block the signal > of mobile phone from the base station. It could help us to use mobile > phones better and better. It gives us a peaceful life in the world of > mobile phones. It is a helpful assistant when we don't need to be > disturbed by mobile phone noise. Now the mobile phone jammer is widely > used in many kinds of places, like meeting room, theater, church, library, ! > government, gas station, examination room, military area and so on. > > A very good example is, the mobile phone jammer help to solve the problem > of cheating in school, which ensures the equity in student exams. When it > is installed in church, court, library, meeting room, theater, it can > prevent mobile phone from receiving signals, which maintains absolute > silence. As is known to us, using mobile phones in the gas station may be > dangerous, when mobile phone jammers applied in gas stations, they can > block mobile phone signals so as to ensure the safety in the gas station. > They are also necessities of government and military field, which can also > be seen as the guarantee of military security. > > First, it comes our universal mobile phone signal jammer. It has compact > size that is only slightly bigger than a standard IPOD. With a built-in > heat dissipative design, this mini mobile phone jammer will not generate an > undue amount of heat. It can run on AC power, battery power or recharging > from AC charger (110/220V). It can block the signals in a range of 15 > meters. What makes it the best-selling mobile phone jammer? The price > maybe also an important factor. It cost you less than 80 dollars, everyone > could afford to buy this cheap but perfect mobile phone jammer. > > On the other hand, we also offer high power mobile phone blocker ( > http://www.skybuying.com/) and professional mobile phone jammer for > special purpose. In the next, we want to introduce you our 70W high power > mobile phone jammer with Omni- directional Antenna. It can block all kinds > of mobile phone signals. With the AC adapter, it can work continuously with > a total output power of 70W. Besides, its built-in cooling fan enables it > to have the good heat dissipation. Equipped with Omni-directional Antenna, > it can jamming signal from all directions and its jamming range can reach > up 1000 meters. > > Besides of above two mobile phone jammers, we have many other mobile phone > jammers also. They have different jamming distance, different functions, > different outlook, different weight, different size, they could meet > different requirement. If you are interested in the mobile phone jammers, > if you have the request, you may want to know more about them. Just come > to our website, here you could find all kinds of mobile phone jammers as > well as much knowledge about the jammers. As a professional jammer > supplier, we provide the most advanced mobile phone jammers at the most > reasonable price. But there is one very important thing you should know > before you buy a mobile phone jammer, please check the raw of your country, > make sure it is legal to buy and use a mobile phone jammer in your place. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=462754#462754 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 19, 2016
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists...
Dear Listers, Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution too! The Contribution Site is fast and easy: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 21, 2016
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution
Today! Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Please take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors (LOC)! As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems at least as valuable a building / entertainment tool as your typical magazine subscription! Assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 23, 2016
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Value of the List...
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20 or $30 worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription to some magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that amount and get a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to think of it, you do... :-) Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support these Lists? http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively through YOUR generosity!! Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Kolb FSII for sale
From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
Date: Nov 25, 2016
Since the list has been pretty quiet for a while (Hiding from Matt while he solicits donations?) I guess it is time to stick my head up and get back in the game... I have acquired a Firestar II that is now for sale. The owner decided that he was no longer capable of committing aviation safely, and for reasons of liability, parted out a perfectly functional FSII. So somebody is going to get themselves a really good basket case/project. So here's the deal: Kolb FSII, NDH, engine is a Rotax 503, dual carb, 418 TT, PTO end cylinder seized at 356 hours, bored to 2nd over. Runs good, B box, 2.58:1, 2 blade Ivo in excellent condition. Wings are good, one LE has a slight indention in the front, should not be a problem. Cage is excellent. Instruments will be included. Nose bowl fairing not included, it is going to our Firefly project. Two damaged nose bowl fairings included, I have figured out how to repair them, but now I don't need to. You can fix them if you wish. Or Bryan will be glad to sell you a new one. Landing gear is straight, includes cable brakes. Previous owner modified the axle/gear leg fittings to make them stronger. (?) Your call. Factory upgrade might be an idea... Boom tube ~ Since the FSII uses the latest quick fold mechanism, we are taking the boom tube and tail assembly from this airplane and grafting it onto our Firefly project. So you will get a Firestar boom tube and tail assembly from an original Firestar. As best we can tell from the plans, there is no difference in the tubing sizes or dimensions of any of these parts. If anyone on the list knows different, I would be glad to be corrected, however, this is how I see it to the best of my knowledge. The original Firestar used the original Kolb tail folding mechanism which is not as convenient as the current mechanism. It would not be terribly difficult to upgrade the tail to incorporate the current tail ring, vertical tail post, and elevator control system into the tail boom and elevators, but that is your call. I do have the elevator actuator/cable attach mechanism which can be included. I do not have the tail ring/vertical stab assembly or the elevator inserts, you would need to get them from Kolb if you wanted to upgrade to the newer system. Or if you don't need to fold the tail on a regular basis, this system will work just fine. By next week I/we (my partner & I) will have migrated the FS boom and tail to the FSII cage, & the FSII boom & tail to the Firefly cage (all the dimensions are identical) and I can post pictures of that, but right now it is a slow night and I am bored, so I'll get things started now with just a few pictures of the wings. $3500 for everything. No N numbers, no registration, this is a pure basket case sale, and the buyer will be signing for a collection of unairworthy parts of unknown description. Everything has been de-skinned, no plumbing, fabric, wiring, Lexan, fuel tanks or cables. (Scrounging is good) You will be buying in effect a KOLB FSII (mostly assembled kit) that needs to be recovered, wired, plumbed, and totally rebuilt, registered, etc. but signing a bill of sale that says you are buying a collection of unairworthy junk. PM me. I need to get this thing out of my carport before the snow gets here. No tire kickers, price is firm. More pictures next week. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463102#463102 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050422_medium_764.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050415_medium_196.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050404_medium_917.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050397_medium_111.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050395_medium_197.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2016
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just A Few Days Left...
Dear Listers, There are just a few days left for this year's List Fund Raiser. If you've been putting off making a Contribution until the last minute, well, this is it! The last minute, that is... :-) There are some GREAT new gift selections to choose from this year. I personally want at least three of them! There's probably something you can't live without too! And, best of all it supports your Lists! Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions during this Fund Raiser. Let's make this a "Black Friday" for the Lists! Please make a Contribution today! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb FSII for sale
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Nov 26, 2016
Hey Richard Waiting for the fuselage and other pics...Herb On 11/25/2016 09:45 PM, Richard Pike wrote: > > Since the list has been pretty quiet for a while (Hiding from Matt while he solicits donations?) I guess it is time to stick my head up and get back in the game... > > I have acquired a Firestar II that is now for sale. The owner decided that he was no longer capable of committing aviation safely, and for reasons of liability, parted out a perfectly functional FSII. So somebody is going to get themselves a really good basket case/project. > > So here's the deal: Kolb FSII, NDH, engine is a Rotax 503, dual carb, 418 TT, PTO end cylinder seized at 356 hours, bored to 2nd over. Runs good, B box, 2.58:1, 2 blade Ivo in excellent condition. > > Wings are good, one LE has a slight indention in the front, should not be a problem. Cage is excellent. Instruments will be included. Nose bowl fairing not included, it is going to our Firefly project. Two damaged nose bowl fairings included, I have figured out how to repair them, but now I don't need to. You can fix them if you wish. Or Bryan will be glad to sell you a new one. > > Landing gear is straight, includes cable brakes. Previous owner modified the axle/gear leg fittings to make them stronger. (?) Your call. Factory upgrade might be an idea... > > Boom tube ~ Since the FSII uses the latest quick fold mechanism, we are taking the boom tube and tail assembly from this airplane and grafting it onto our Firefly project. So you will get a Firestar boom tube and tail assembly from an original Firestar. As best we can tell from the plans, there is no difference in the tubing sizes or dimensions of any of these parts. If anyone on the list knows different, I would be glad to be corrected, however, this is how I see it to the best of my knowledge. > > The original Firestar used the original Kolb tail folding mechanism which is not as convenient as the current mechanism. It would not be terribly difficult to upgrade the tail to incorporate the current tail ring, vertical tail post, and elevator control system into the tail boom and elevators, but that is your call. I do have the elevator actuator/cable attach mechanism which can be included. I do not have the tail ring/vertical stab assembly or the elevator inserts, you would need to get them from Kolb if you wanted to upgrade to the newer system. > > Or if you don't need to fold the tail on a regular basis, this system will work just fine. > > By next week I/we (my partner & I) will have migrated the FS boom and tail to the FSII cage, & the FSII boom & tail to the Firefly cage (all the dimensions are identical) and I can post pictures of that, but right now it is a slow night and I am bored, so I'll get things started now with just a few pictures of the wings. > > $3500 for everything. No N numbers, no registration, this is a pure basket case sale, and the buyer will be signing for a collection of unairworthy parts of unknown description. Everything has been de-skinned, no plumbing, fabric, wiring, Lexan, fuel tanks or cables. (Scrounging is good) > You will be buying in effect a KOLB FSII (mostly assembled kit) that needs to be recovered, wired, plumbed, and totally rebuilt, registered, etc. but signing a bill of sale that says you are buying a collection of unairworthy junk. > > PM me. I need to get this thing out of my carport before the snow gets here. No tire kickers, price is firm. > > More pictures next week. > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > Would you consider yourself to be a good person? > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463102#463102 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050422_medium_764.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050415_medium_196.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050404_medium_917.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050397_medium_111.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050395_medium_197.jpg > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb FSII for sale
From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
Date: Nov 26, 2016
How about now? -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463194#463194 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb FSII for sale
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Nov 26, 2016
Noop No Pics...Herb On 11/26/2016 04:50 PM, Richard Pike wrote: > > How about now? > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > Would you consider yourself to be a good person? > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463194#463194 > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2016
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb FSII for sale
Nothing attached to your e-mail, Richard. The wings photos came through fine, though. -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 11/26/16, Richard Pike wrote: Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb FSII for sale To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Date: Saturday, November 26, 2016, 5:50 PM "Richard Pike" How about now? -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463194#463194 Lists This Month -- Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) Raiser. Click on more about Gifts provided www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com www.mypilotstore.com www.mrrace.com -Matt Dralle, List Admin. Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - MATRONICS LIST WIKI - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb FSII for sale
From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
Date: Nov 26, 2016
All the pictures are in the original post from Friday. I edited it. Look there. (I know they are in there because I used my wife's computer to look them up) -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463203#463203 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb FSII for sale
From: Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 26, 2016
On 11/26/2016 9:48 PM, Richard Pike wrote: > > All the pictures are in the original post from Friday. I edited it. Look there. (I know they are in there because I used my wife's computer to look them up) > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Some of us get messages by email. If you edited a forum post, we won't see the edit. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb FSII for sale
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Nov 27, 2016
Richard It is the second batch...airframe...etc that has not come through...Herb On 11/26/2016 10:57 PM, Charlie England wrote: > > On 11/26/2016 9:48 PM, Richard Pike wrote: >> >> >> All the pictures are in the original post from Friday. I edited it. >> Look there. (I know they are in there because I used my wife's >> computer to look them up) >> >> -------- >> Richard Pike >> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) >> Kingsport, TN 3TN0 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Keith Callfas <kkcmax(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 11/26/16
Date: Nov 27, 2016
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Date: Nov 27, 2016
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists...
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Subject: Re: Kolb FSII for sale
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Nov 27, 2016
Hi Richard Think I have it this time... The white tail feathers and boom tube and the blue/black fuselage on the gear are what is being sold...plus the wings in the previous pics along with engine and prop...Pretty much sum it up? Herb On 11/25/2016 09:45 PM, Richard Pike wrote: > > Since the list has been pretty quiet for a while (Hiding from Matt while he solicits donations?) I guess it is time to stick my head up and get back in the game... > > I have acquired a Firestar II that is now for sale. The owner decided that he was no longer capable of committing aviation safely, and for reasons of liability, parted out a perfectly functional FSII. So somebody is going to get themselves a really good basket case/project. > > So here's the deal: Kolb FSII, NDH, engine is a Rotax 503, dual carb, 418 TT, PTO end cylinder seized at 356 hours, bored to 2nd over. Runs good, B box, 2.58:1, 2 blade Ivo in excellent condition. > > Wings are good, one LE has a slight indention in the front, should not be a problem. Cage is excellent. Instruments will be included. Nose bowl fairing not included, it is going to our Firefly project. Two damaged nose bowl fairings included, I have figured out how to repair them, but now I don't need to. You can fix them if you wish. Or Bryan will be glad to sell you a new one. > > Landing gear is straight, includes cable brakes. Previous owner modified the axle/gear leg fittings to make them stronger. (?) Your call. Factory upgrade might be an idea... > > Boom tube ~ Since the FSII uses the latest quick fold mechanism, we are taking the boom tube and tail assembly from this airplane and grafting it onto our Firefly project. So you will get a Firestar boom tube and tail assembly from an original Firestar. As best we can tell from the plans, there is no difference in the tubing sizes or dimensions of any of these parts. If anyone on the list knows different, I would be glad to be corrected, however, this is how I see it to the best of my knowledge. > > The original Firestar used the original Kolb tail folding mechanism which is not as convenient as the current mechanism. It would not be terribly difficult to upgrade the tail to incorporate the current tail ring, vertical tail post, and elevator control system into the tail boom and elevators, but that is your call. I do have the elevator actuator/cable attach mechanism which can be included. I do not have the tail ring/vertical stab assembly or the elevator inserts, you would need to get them from Kolb if you wanted to upgrade to the newer system. > > Or if you don't need to fold the tail on a regular basis, this system will work just fine. > > By next week I/we (my partner & I) will have migrated the FS boom and tail to the FSII cage, & the FSII boom & tail to the Firefly cage (all the dimensions are identical) and I can post pictures of that, but right now it is a slow night and I am bored, so I'll get things started now with just a few pictures of the wings. > > $3500 for everything. No N numbers, no registration, this is a pure basket case sale, and the buyer will be signing for a collection of unairworthy parts of unknown description. Everything has been de-skinned, no plumbing, fabric, wiring, Lexan, fuel tanks or cables. (Scrounging is good) > You will be buying in effect a KOLB FSII (mostly assembled kit) that needs to be recovered, wired, plumbed, and totally rebuilt, registered, etc. but signing a bill of sale that says you are buying a collection of unairworthy junk. > > PM me. I need to get this thing out of my carport before the snow gets here. No tire kickers, price is firm. > > More pictures next week. > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > Would you consider yourself to be a good person? > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463102#463102 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050422_medium_764.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050415_medium_196.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050404_medium_917.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050397_medium_111.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050395_medium_197.jpg > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb FSII for sale
From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
Date: Nov 27, 2016
[quote="Herbgh(at)nctc.com"]Hi Richard Think I have it this time... The white tail feathers and boom tube and the blue/black fuselage on the gear are what is being sold...plus the wings in the previous pics along with engine and prop...Pretty much sum it up? Herb On 11/25/2016 09:45 PM, Richard Pike wrote: [quote] You got it. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463295#463295 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb FSII for sale
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Nov 27, 2016
yep..got it...Herb On 11/27/2016 05:36 PM, Richard Pike wrote: > > [quote="Herbgh(at)nctc.com"]Hi Richard > > Think I have it this time... > > The white tail feathers and boom tube and the blue/black fuselage on > the gear are what is being sold...plus the wings in the previous pics > along with engine and prop...Pretty much sum it up? Herb > > > On 11/25/2016 09:45 PM, Richard Pike wrote: > [quote] > > You got it. > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2016
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Fund Raiser Behind By 28% - Please Contribute Today!
Dear Listers, The percentage of members making a Contribution to support the Lists this year is currently behind last year by at this time by roughly 28%. Please take this opportunity to show your support for the Matronics Lists and Forums! Please remember that it is *solely* your direct Contributions that keep these Lists and Forums up and running and most importantly - AD FREE! If the members don't want to support the Lists directly, then I might have to add advertisements to offset the costs of running the Lists. But I don't want to have to do that. I really like the non-commercial atmosphere here and I think that a lot of the members appreciate that too. Please take a moment to make a Contribution today in support of the continued ad-free operation of all these Lists: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that have already made their generous Contribution to support the Lists! Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List and Forums Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fund Raiser
From: Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 28, 2016
I just want to encourage everyone to chip in, to keep Matt's lists alive. I've been around these lists for a very long time, and there's no better run aviation forum out there. The number of times I've gotten help from these lists is uncountable. I've been guilty over the years of not contributing, but as I see so many other clunky, over-moderated, advertising loaded sites, I'm much more motivated to help Matt keep fighting the good fight. I hope y'all will agree, and put your wallets where your mouths are. :-) Matt makes it easy to do; just pick your favorite method & amount. Charlie ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: cooling fan belts
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Nov 29, 2016
List Looking for replacement belts for the cooling fan on a 503 and a 447... I recall that one engine had a belt made by Mitsubishi... the 447 ...size 10x590 . also had Rotax 94_4 B stamped on it.. I also have a ,made in Taiwan, 9.5x650 that may have come off of a 447. Just looking for a local purchase...and would trust anything made by Gates...Herb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 29, 2016
Subject: Re: cooling fan belts
Herb I think that if you first match the width, so it fits into the pulley correctly. second match the length so that the belt tightening adjustment is around 1/3 to 1/2 of its travel when taunt. Any automobile belt should provide good service. Maybe someone smarter than I can shed more light on the subject. If because of differences between metric and our standard,. If you can't match the width I would go with the next narrower belt. provided it rides in the pulley on the tapered sides, not the bottom of the groove. A wider belt will ride high in the pulley and have more of a chance to pop out. Boyd List Looking for replacement belts for the cooling fan on a 503 and a 447. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: cooling fan belts
Date: Nov 29, 2016
Take the old one to any auto parts store and start comparing. Nothing magic about a belt that drives a tiny fan. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of B Young Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 9:22 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: cooling fan belts Herb I think that if you first match the width, so it fits into the pulley correctly. second match the length so that the belt tightening adjustment is around 1/3 to 1/2 of its travel when taunt. Any automobile belt should provide good service. Maybe someone smarter than I can shed more light on the subject. If because of differences between metric and our standard,. If you can't match the width I would go with the next narrower belt. provided it rides in the pulley on the tapered sides, not the bottom of the groove. A wider belt will ride high in the pulley and have more of a chance to pop out. Boyd List Looking for replacement belts for the cooling fan on a 503 and a 447. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2016
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just Two Days Left! - Still Behind...
Dear Listers, There are just two more days left in this years List Fund Raiser. We are still way behind last year in terms of the number of contributions and total contribution amount. I really want to keep providing these services to the homebuilt community, but it take resources. Since there's no advertising budget or deep pockets to keep the operation a float, its solely your generosity during the Fund Raiser that keeps things going. Please make a Contribution today. If you've been putting off showing your support for the Lists, now is the time to do it! Make a contribution with a Credit Card or though PayPal at that Matronics Contribution web site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a check in the mail: Matronics / Matt Dralle 581 Jeannie Way Livermore, CA 94550 Thank you in advance for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Kolb Xtra For Sale
From: "yellowbird1" <nationcap(at)comcast.net>
Date: Nov 29, 2016
Kolbers- I'm selling my MK 3 Xtra. It's very well equipped with approximately 200hr TT, Rotax 912 80Hp, Warp Drive 3-blade prop,19 gal aluminum gas tank with 1 gal header tank and fuel Filter/water separator, Intercom, Electric trim, EIS, Garmin GNC 250XL NavCom, GTX 327 transponder , New ELT, New Lithium battery, new tires and a never used BRS. It's hangered at Sandia Air Park, New Mexico. Brad Nation 505-306-7831 -------- Brad Nation, Albuquerque, NM MK3 Xtra Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463515#463515 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1904_628.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1906_183.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1911_137.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1895_758.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1914_758.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1908_213.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: cooling fan belts (Herb)
Date: Nov 30, 2016
> and would trust anything made by Gates... I have had a new Gates fail on me. I have a 1990 Ford F250 diesel. It has several belts. One EOM belt looks thin for its length; it turns several accessories. It had about 75k miles on it. It broke on a trip somewhere at 2 AM. I put a new Gates on there after the EOM belt broke. It only lasted for 2-3 months. I went to all the auto parts places in town, bought a recommended belt from each of them, all different brands. I eye-balled them. The Gates looked like all the rest. The EOM cost about the same as the rest but it was several layers thicker and heftier. Does this mean anything to us? I doubt it except be careful and check everything.. GeoB PS I also have a 1992 diesel Ford and they changed over to serpentine. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: cooling fan belts (Herb)
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Nov 30, 2016
The belt is 10/590. Mitsubishi...The spec on the CPS web page is 10/6/590. A bit confusing... Could not find a belt of the same size on the net...found a 587 which should work.. I have a 1991 Ford f250..diesel...:-) Runs like a top... Herb On 11/30/2016 04:11 AM, George Bearden wrote: > >> and would trust anything made by Gates... > I have had a new Gates fail on me. > > I have a 1990 Ford F250 diesel. It has several belts. One EOM belt looks > thin for its length; it turns several accessories. It had about 75k miles on > it. It broke on a trip somewhere at 2 AM. I put a new Gates on there after > the EOM belt broke. It only lasted for 2-3 months. I went to all the auto > parts places in town, bought a recommended belt from each of them, all > different brands. I eye-balled them. The Gates looked like all the rest. The > EOM cost about the same as the rest but it was several layers thicker and > heftier. > > Does this mean anything to us? I doubt it except be careful and check > everything.. > > GeoB > > PS I also have a 1992 diesel Ford and they changed over to serpentine. > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2016
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser!
Dear Listers, It's November 30th and that always means a couple of things. Its my birthday again - 53! :-) But it also means that it's that last official day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been thinking about picking up one of those really nice incentive gifts now is the time to jump on it!! If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting it off for some reason, NOW is the time! I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want to be known as a person that supported the Lists! I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running and I don't ever forget it. The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making your Contribution right now: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA Thank you in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Stuart Harner paid me a visit
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Nov 30, 2016
Yep..All the way from North Dakota....! Actually Stuart was in the area of Lexington Ky on business and decided to pay me a visit...We had a great time ...topped off by a visit to Pizza Hut....Look out London,Ky...I think he may be headed that way tomorrow... To top it off...he never said anything about the bum 447 I sold him!! :-) Hope you make it home ok...Stuart...little bit of snow in the Dakota's I hear , well actually saw..on his cell phone.. A bit of show and tell...in my home,barn and garage and off we went to lunch... Enjoyed it very much...Herb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net>
Subject: Stuart Harner paid me a visit
Date: Dec 02, 2016
Thanks for the hospitality Herb. I had a great time. Herb has more projects squirrelled away than I would want to tackle. :) Kentucky: Pretty countryside Good folks No snow, so I went home. (I know I'm a sick puppy but I never grew up and still enjoy a sled or toboggan ride) Stuart -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:53 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Stuart Harner paid me a visit Yep..All the way from North Dakota....! Actually Stuart was in the area of Lexington Ky on business and decided to pay me a visit...We had a great time ...topped off by a visit to Pizza Hut....Look out London,Ky...I think he may be headed that way tomorrow... To top it off...he never said anything about the bum 447 I sold him!! :-) Hope you make it home ok...Stuart...little bit of snow in the Dakota's I hear , well actually saw..on his cell phone.. A bit of show and tell...in my home,barn and garage and off we went to lunch... Enjoyed it very much...Herb ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Stuart Harner paid me a visit
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Dec 03, 2016
Looks like you made it home Stuart...good thing Travis was not at the Kolb factory! I could never leave there without him grabbing a few hundred dollars from me ...even though I just went for a visit...:-) Herb On 12/02/2016 10:38 PM, Stuart Harner wrote: > > Thanks for the hospitality Herb. I had a great time. > > Herb has more projects squirrelled away than I would want to tackle. :) > > Kentucky: > Pretty countryside > Good folks > No snow, so I went home. > (I know I'm a sick puppy but I never grew up and still enjoy a sled or > toboggan ride) > > Stuart > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:53 PM > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Stuart Harner paid me a visit > > > Yep..All the way from North Dakota....! Actually Stuart was in the area of > Lexington Ky on business and decided to pay me a visit...We had a great time > ...topped off by a visit to Pizza Hut....Look out London,Ky...I think he may > be headed that way tomorrow... > To top it off...he never said anything about the bum 447 I sold him!! > :-) > Hope you make it home ok...Stuart...little bit of snow in the Dakota's I > hear , well actually saw..on his cell phone.. > A bit of show and tell...in my home,barn and garage and off we went to > lunch... > Enjoyed it very much...Herb > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net>
Subject: New tail wheel
Date: Dec 03, 2016
Well, I did manage to buy a new tail wheel and adjustable rear spar bracket for the Firefly. $ well spent at the factory. Breakaway swiveling tail wheel is a really neat design. Better wheel and well built. Probably weights a tiny bit more but won't know the actual numbers until I get them both on the scales. I can't imagine the impact on CG will even be measurable. The new wheel is wider and has larger bearings spaced farther apart. It should reduce twisting/shearing forces on the tail leg/spring bolts. Time will tell. Stuart -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 7:38 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Stuart Harner paid me a visit Looks like you made it home Stuart...good thing Travis was not at the Kolb factory! I could never leave there without him grabbing a few hundred dollars from me ...even though I just went for a visit...:-) Herb ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New tail wheel
From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
Date: Dec 03, 2016
My initial response would be "Anything would be better that the stock tailwheel" but then I got to thinking - What if you extended the lever arms off the bottom of the rudder, made them longer, and shortened the arms of the tailwheel bracket a bit? Now the (light) factory tail wheel & assembly would be able to turn tighter, and by so doing, put less stress on the rest of the stock assembly? (Since I am in the process of trying to build a genuine Part 103 legal Firefly, topics such as this are especially interesting to me) -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463664#463664 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net>
Subject: Re: New tail wheel
Date: Dec 04, 2016
Interesting idea but IMHO I don't think that will help you much. What you are proposing will make the tail wheel turn more (theoretically up to 90) but does nothing for the swivel function. The stock tail wheel does a good enough job. In fact it works perfectly on pavement and handles a well-groomed grass strip just fine. I was surprised at how well the Firefly handles on the ground without the use of brakes. The stock wheel also was about the lightest thing you could have on the tail except a skid. The problem with the stock tail wheel is that it does not swivel and it is so narrow that it has a tendency to dig into soft surfaces. The new tail wheel will unlock from the rudder and act as a true caster wheel. If you have differential braking this should allow you to pivot around either main wheel with just a tap of the brakes once you are rolling at least a little bit. It will auto lock back into the straight forward position once you release the brakes and roll a short distance. The other great advantage of a swiveling tail wheel is the ability to push it backwards when maneuvering around in a hangar. With the wings are extended all you have to do is pick up the tail boom and walk. However, with the wings folded your options are limited. In my case, I fold every time and push the Firefly uphill into a narrow opening. Lastly the new tail wheel is about twice as wide as the stock one, which means it should not dig into soft ground as much. Unfortunately it will be next spring before I find out if all of the above is correct. Stuart -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 6:20 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New tail wheel --> My initial response would be "Anything would be better that the stock tailwheel" but then I got to thinking - What if you extended the lever arms off the bottom of the rudder, made them longer, and shortened the arms of the tailwheel bracket a bit? Now the (light) factory tail wheel & assembly would be able to turn tighter, and by so doing, put less stress on the rest of the stock assembly? (Since I am in the process of trying to build a genuine Part 103 legal Firefly, topics such as this are especially interesting to me) -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463664#463664 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New tail wheel
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 04, 2016
My tailwheel mods were on an Xtra so don't know how much would be applicable to a Firefly. Had many, many problems with my tailwheel. Finally found the right combination that would give me good control in a crosswind and still be able to release to make a tight turn if needed. Tried many combinations of linkage ratios, springs, and mounts. The tailwheel pivot angle should be vertical or tilted back a few degrees. I had to make a custom mount to achieve that. I also went to a 6" pneumatic wheel. See attached pictures. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463677#463677 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_20150730_140741532_179.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_20150730_140801233_344.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 04, 2016
Subject: Re: New tail wheel
Rex/All Interesting. Looks to be a bit of work making it work. The solid rubber tail wheel I have makes a pronounced thump going over runway expansion joints. I used the factory optional full swivel tail wheel. The factory setup was easier to mount but not ideal. They supplied light springs which allowed the tail wheel to rotate enough to unlock but also unlocked when I didn't want it to. It looks like Rex had to adjust the ratio to get his to unlock also. The factory optional tail wheel allowed me to drill holes in board to attach the control chains so the tail wheel would unlock. I then installed compression springs. No more unlocking in cross wind taxi. I see Rex left some slack in the control chains. I'm old enough to remember cars that had slop in the steering and never liked it. My tail wheel chains are just short of tight. I can taxie fairly fast on hard surfaces, even turning onto taxiways at speed with confidence. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Rex Rodebush wrote: > > My tailwheel mods were on an Xtra so don't know how much would be > applicable to a Firefly. > > Had many, many problems with my tailwheel. Finally found the right > combination that would give me good control in a crosswind and still be > able to release to make a tight turn if needed. Tried many combinations of > linkage ratios, springs, and mounts. The tailwheel pivot angle should be > vertical or tilted back a few degrees. I had to make a custom mount to > achieve that. I also went to a 6" pneumatic wheel. See attached pictures. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463677#463677 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_20150730_140741532_179.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_20150730_140801233_344.jpg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New tail wheel
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Dec 04, 2016
Stuart Send a pic of the tail wheel...and what is the damage for one at Kolb? Herb On 12/04/2016 09:45 AM, Stuart Harner wrote: > > Interesting idea but IMHO I don't think that will help you much. What you > are proposing will make the tail wheel turn more (theoretically up to 90) > but does nothing for the swivel function. > > The stock tail wheel does a good enough job. In fact it works perfectly on > pavement and handles a well-groomed grass strip just fine. I was surprised > at how well the Firefly handles on the ground without the use of brakes. The > stock wheel also was about the lightest thing you could have on the tail > except a skid. > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New tail wheel
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 04, 2016
Rick is correct about the slack connections. I tightened them up after some more tests after the picture was taken. I forgot to mention that. Rex Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463689#463689 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net>
Subject: Firefly swivel tailwheel
Date: Dec 04, 2016
Hopefully these are reduced in size enough. $160 from the factory, new heavier springs included. Wheel is 5" in diameter. There was a larger wheel assembly for the larger models. Stuart ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Firefly swivel tailwheel
From: Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 04, 2016
On 12/4/2016 9:54 PM, Stuart Harner wrote: > Hopefully these are reduced in size enough. > > $160 from the factory, new heavier springs included. > > Wheel is 5" in diameter. There was a larger wheel assembly for the larger > models. > > Stuart If you depend on tailwheel steering, the 1st thing to do is replace those springs with compression style springs. Just sayin'.... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ted Cowan <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Dec 07, 2016
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/06/16
2007 BRS 600-CAN-TOP BRS-6 Now is time of year to install. Complete system for kolbs. In boxes never opened, never installed. Must be picked up or delivered. $3000. Make offer. Selling for friend who sold kolb it was going to be installed on. Ted Cowan. Alabama 334 332 3457. tc1917@bellsouth. net Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 7, 2016, at 2:02 AM, Kolb-List Digest Server wrote: > > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Kolb-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Kolb-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 16-12-06&Archive=Kolb > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 16-12-06&Archive=Kolb > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Kolb-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Tue 12/06/16: 0 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rotax 670 update
From: "kenw" <worthken67(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 07, 2016
dennis are you still flying the 670..? ive been researching a purchase. thank you in advance. -------- kenw Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463773#463773 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: anybody using a Rotax 670 in a Kolb Mk III?
From: "kenw" <worthken67(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 07, 2016
mike did you ever make the 670 engine decision? researching the 670 as an option... identical airframe thanks ken worth -------- kenw Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463774#463774 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb FSII for sale - This is where the pictures are
From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
Date: Dec 09, 2016
Sold. Heading to Ohio. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463801#463801 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: anybody using a Rotax 670 in a Kolb Mk III?
Date: Dec 09, 2016
Yes, I ran my 690 from 2003 till 2014 on my Mk 3. Fine running smooth engine especially when I converted to 28mm Mikuni carbs. Took it off to replace it with a Rotax 670 in 2014 and would make you a great deal on the whole package with rads mounts and many extra parts. Dennis Rowe > On Dec 7, 2016, at 9:30 PM, kenw wrote: > > > mike did you ever make the 670 engine decision? > researching the 670 as an option... identical airframe > thanks ken worth > > -------- > kenw > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463774#463774 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Rotax 670 update
Date: Dec 09, 2016
If you are asking me, see my previous post. Have it sitting in the basement collecting dust. Dennis Rowe > On Dec 7, 2016, at 9:17 PM, kenw wrote: > > > dennis are you still flying the 670..? > ive been researching a purchase. > thank you in advance. > > -------- > kenw > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463773#463773 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Kolb Sighting in Florida...well, kinda
From: "Bolserst" <stephen.t.bolser(at)lmco.com>
Date: Dec 10, 2016
Long time Kolb fan and lurker... I did a double take the other night while watching a rerun of CSI Miami. Attached are a couple screen grabs with Kolb FS in frame. The episode originally aired in late 2011. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463821#463821 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_miami_season9_ep22_01_488.png http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_miami_season9_ep22_02_117.png http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_miami_season9_ep22_03_144.png ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb Sighting in Florida...well, kinda
Date: Dec 10, 2016
Wonder where the airstrip is located, and who owns the FS? john h mkIII Titus, Alabama - Hunkered down next to the fireplace this morning. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bolserst Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 10:11 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Sighting in Florida...well, kinda Long time Kolb fan and lurker... I did a double take the other night while watching a rerun of CSI Miami. Attached are a couple screen grabs with Kolb FS in frame. The episode originally aired in late 2011. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463821#463821 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_miami_season9_ep22_01_488.png http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_miami_season9_ep22_02_117.png http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_miami_season9_ep22_03_144.png ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Sighting in Florida...well, kinda
From: "Bolserst" <stephen.t.bolser(at)lmco.com>
Date: Dec 11, 2016
I was wondering that myself...and did figure it out the location. Although the location is identified in the show as Homestead General south west of Miami, it obviously isn't. The Wiki page for the show mentions nearly all filming is done in CA, not FL. The yellow trainer in the background is a Breese 2 and has the word SCHOOL under the right wing. A bit of searching turned up N18VE. http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/000535002.html The airport-data page mentions the owner is a member of VCUAS(Ventura County Ultralight Aircraft Society) which is based at the Camarillo airport. They have a separate ultralight area at the south west corner of the airport. Looks like the kolb was positioned just west of the first T-hangar. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463836#463836 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/camarillo_airport_swcorner_177.png ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb Sighting in Florida...well, kinda
Date: Dec 11, 2016
Thanks for the information. I landed at Homestead for fuel in 1994. Soon after the hurricane that devastated the airport. Took on 20 gallons of fuel. FOB was operating out of an old mobile home and pumping fuel out of an old rusty fuel truck. When I told the FOB where I had flown the past 40 days, he refused to take my money. His airport had been blown away. There was nothing left, yet he wanted to help me complete my flight. I met a lot of people like him on that flight in Alaska, Canada, and CONUS. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bolserst Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 9:47 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Sighting in Florida...well, kinda I was wondering that myself...and did figure it out the location. Although the location is identified in the show as Homestead General south west of Miami, it obviously isn't. The Wiki page for the show mentions nearly all filming is done in CA, not FL. The yellow trainer in the background is a Breese 2 and has the word SCHOOL under the right wing. A bit of searching turned up N18VE. http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/000535002.html The airport-data page mentions the owner is a member of VCUAS(Ventura County Ultralight Aircraft Society) which is based at the Camarillo airport. They have a separate ultralight area at the south west corner of the airport. Looks like the kolb was positioned just west of the first T-hangar. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463836#463836 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/camarillo_airport_swcorner_177.png ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 11, 2016
Subject: Kolb Twinstar Mark II weight and balance
From: "Wayne Schneider" <jwaynes(at)gmail.com>
Gentlemen, I have acquired a Kolb Twinstar Mark II built in 1989. =C2-However, it is missing one important piece of information: the weight & balance and gross weight document. =C2-I intend to weigh the plane and do a complete weigh t and balance workup, but it would really be nice to have some examples to work from. =C2- Could some of you Twinstar Mk II pilots send me images of your W&B or post them here? Thanks, Wayne S. N359RT ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb Sighting in Florida...well, kinda
Date: Dec 12, 2016
Dear John I have picked up your email on Pat's computer. I am sorry to tell you that Pat is terminally ill and is now in a nearby nursing home permanently. I am so sorry to be the bearer of such sad news. He has always enjoyed his association with the Kolb List. I would be grateful if you could circulate the list for me as I am unsure h ow to do this. Both Pat and I have fond memories of meeting you and the others in Monument Valley a few years ago. All the best to you all Wendy Ladd ________________________________ From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-kolb-list-server@matronic s.com> on behalf of John Hauck Sent: 11 December 2016 16:40:06 Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Sighting in Florida...well, kinda Thanks for the information. I landed at Homestead for fuel in 1994. Soon after the hurricane that devastated the airport. Took on 20 gallons of fuel. FOB was operating out of an old mobile home and pumping fuel out of an old rusty fuel truck. Whe n I told the FOB where I had flown the past 40 days, he refused to take my money. His airport had been blown away. There was nothing left, yet he wanted to help me complete my flight. I met a lot of people like him on that flight in Alaska, Canada, and CONUS. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bolserst Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 9:47 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Sighting in Florida...well, kinda I was wondering that myself...and did figure it out the location. Although the location is identified in the show as Homestead General south west of Miami, it obviously isn't. The Wiki page for the show mentions nearly all filming is done in CA, not FL. The yellow trainer in the background is a Breese 2 and has the word SCHOOL under the right wing. A bi t of searching turned up N18VE. http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/000535002.html The airport-data page mentions the owner is a member of VCUAS(Ventura Count y Ultralight Aircraft Society) which is based at the Camarillo airport. They have a separate ultralight area at the south west corner of the airport. Looks like the kolb was positioned just west of the first T-hangar. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463836#463836 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/camarillo_airport_swcorner_177.png rsbooks.com> m> > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com>
Date: Dec 12, 2016
Subject: Re: Kolb Sighting in Florida...well, kinda
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Patrick Ladd wrote: > Dear John > > I have picked up your email on Pat's computer. I am sorry to tell you > that Pat is terminally ill and is now in a nearby nursing home permanentl y. > > I am so sorry to be the bearer of such sad news. He has always enjoyed > his association with the Kolb List. > > I would be grateful if you could circulate the list for me as I am unsure > how to do this. > > Both Pat and I have fond memories of meeting you and the others in > Monument Valley a few years ago. > > All the best to you all > > Wendy Ladd > =8BWendy -- Your posting was sent to the entire Kolb-List, so everyone now knows of Pat's situation. Thank you for letting us know. Our best wishes go with you, and tell Pat to keep his chin up! -- Robert =8B ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb Sighting in Florida...well, kinda
Date: Dec 12, 2016
Wendy: Sorry to hear about Patrick. I wish him well and will keep him in my prayers. Patrick and I go back a long way. He flew with a radio that had flown to Alaska in my MKIII. We met at Monument Valley about 2008. I have a photo of Patrick, John Williamson, and me, standing on the parking pad at MV airstrip. I found and attached the photo. I am going to miss Patrick's banter on the Kolb List. I know Larry Cottrell will miss Patrick's video/audio coaching. ;-) Take care my friend. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Ladd Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Sighting in Florida...well, kinda Dear John I have picked up your email on Pat's computer. I am sorry to tell you that Pat is terminally ill and is now in a nearby nursing home permanently. I am so sorry to be the bearer of such sad news. He has always enjoyed his association with the Kolb List. I would be grateful if you could circulate the list for me as I am unsure how to do this. Both Pat and I have fond memories of meeting you and the others in Monument Valley a few years ago. All the best to you all Wendy Ladd ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 12, 2016
From: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing
If I had not lost my camera, there would be photos attached to this post :) I have more or less finalized the layout and design for mounting my HKS engine on the Firestar. Thanks to two fellow EAA chapter members, I have the engine mounting plate cut, shaped, de-burred, lightened, and semi-smoothed. The engine mount plate is semi-permanently mounted on the Kolb airframe Lord mounts. Putting the correct length bolts in and installing the self-lock nuts instead of the "shop work" plain nuts is the last step. The 3/8" aluminum engine mount plate was designed with a "wing-shaped" extension on the starboard forward corner to serve as the rear mounting for the oil cooler. After much head-scratching and "staring at it", the final position of the oi l cooler was determined, and a rear mounting bracket was fabricated from three pieces of aerospace surplus 2024-T3 extruded angle and (8) AN470AD4 rivets. Since the rear of the cooler is mounted on something that moves, the forward mounting had to provide enough "compliance" movement on all three axes. The forward mount is a standoff with a single central pivot bolt that is retained through two rubber grommets. This standoff mount is attached to the spar carry-through using modified rubber-padded Adel clamps. This flexible mount arrangement prevents the oil cooler itself from flexing, keeps the front of the cooler attached securely to the airframe, but allows movement in any direction and rotational movement on the bolt axis. The oil cooler is about 1.5 x 4 x 13 inches, and mounts lengthwise just inboard of the starboard wing root. The top surface of the cooler is flush with the top of the wing. Ram air will be fed to the cooler from a scoop on the underside of the center section wing cover, travel upwards through the cooler, and exit into the lower pressure airflow above the wing. Because the cooler is located a foot behind the thickest point of the airfoil the "low pressure" area above the wing is not 100% ideal, but it will still be far lower ambient pressure than the underside of the wing. In order to have more of a pressure drop across the cooler, I would have needed to move the cooler forward near the wing leading edge, and this would require a more complex and heavier cantilever mounting system. The engine has been mounted onto the engine mount plate more or less permanently. I went from 1 inch risers under the engine to 2 inch risers. I believe this is how Larry C's engine is mounted. Because I didn't want to raise the engine any higher, there was still a difficult interference problem with the aileron torque tubes and the exhaust pipes. I decided to use the system shown recently on the photographs that were posted on the List.... a Y shaped exhaust with the pipes coming inboard from the cylinders, meeting under the engine, and the main muffler or exhaust pipe traveling vertically down the rear of the steel cage. The large (dry sump) oil tank was another vexing problem that was finally (FINALLY!) resolved to my satisfaction after weeks of head-scratching. A small weldment consisting of two "half-pipe" pieces of steel tube crossed at 90 degrees will allow the tank to mount directly to the Kolb keel tube, keeping it out of the fuel and baggage areas and keeping the oil lines shorter/lighter. This weldment will use large screw type "hose clamps" to hold the tank to the mount,and the mount to the airframe. The HKS installation manual specifies a limited range of "height" where the oil tank can be mounted. Too high above the oil pump and it will flood or drown the oil pump, too low will make the oil pump work too hard to lift the oil out of the tank. While waiting for this oil tank mount to be "finish-welded", I have started on designing and fabricating the ignition component mounting plate, which will be Adel clamped to the keel tube and the port side steel spar carry-through structure.This will keep the ignition coils, electronic controllers, etc.close to the engine and keep it out of the fuel and baggage areas. The repairs to the cockpit longerons (bending them back straight), and the structural doublers to the wing spar pin attach lugs have been completed. Only a couple of squirts of Zinc Chromate on the spar root main doubler plates remain. After that all of the crash damage will have been repaired. Progress is agonizingly slow. But I'm trying to do things right, and extra safe. Bill Berle www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 12/12/16, John Hauck wrote: Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Sighting in Florida...well, kinda To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Date: Monday, December 12, 2016, 2:05 PM Wendy: Sorry to hear about Patrick. I wish him well and will keep him in my prayers. Patrick and I go back a long way. He flew with a radio that had flown to Alaska in my MKIII. We met at Monument Valley about 2008. I have a photo of Patrick, John Williamson, and me, standing on the parking pad at MV airstrip. I found and attached the photo. I am going to miss Patrick's banter on the Kolb List. I know Larry Cottrell will miss Patrick's video/audio coaching. ;-) Take care my friend. john hmkIIITitus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Ladd Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 10:38 AM To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Sighting in Florida...well, kinda Dear JohnI have picked up your email on Pat's computer. I am sorry to tell you that Pat is terminally ill and is now in a nearby nursing home permanently.I am so sorry to be the bearer of such sad news. He has always enjoyed his association with the Kolb List.I would be grateful if you could circulate the list for me as I am unsure how to do this.Both Pat and I have fond memories of meeting you and the others in Monument Valley a few years ago.All the best to you allWendy Ladd ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing
From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
Date: Dec 12, 2016
Anybody who can afford an HKS and do all that stuff can afford a camera; so - pictures or you are making it all up. JUST KIDDING! Seriously, looking forward to pictures. Merry Christmas, keep up the good work. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463871#463871 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Airport Courtesy Cars App Closing?
From: "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 14, 2016
IMPORTANT! If you are a user of the app version of Airport Courtesy Cars, please view it for an important message about the possible closure of the app, or view the page here: https://www.airportcourtesycars.com/app-status.html -------- Glenn Brasch RV-9A Flying Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret) Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App and www.airportcourtesycars.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463924#463924 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing
Date: Dec 15, 2016
If I understand this correctly, you mounted your oil cooler to the engine base plate which is setting on Lord mounts, and also to the rear spar carry through? Sounds sketchy at best, I'd let the oil hoses do the flexing and mount the cooler to the airframe only, away from the shaking engine. Dennis Rowe Mk3 Rotax 670 > On Dec 12, 2016, at 6:50 PM, Bill Berle wrote: > > > If I had not lost my camera, there would be photos attached to this post :) > > I have more or less finalized the layout and design for mounting my HKS engine on the Firestar. Thanks to two fellow EAA chapter members, I have the engine mounting plate cut, shaped, de-burred, lightened, and semi-smoothed. The engine mount plate is semi-permanently mounted on the Kolb airframe Lord mounts. Putting the correct length bolts in and installing the self-lock nuts instead of the "shop work" plain nuts is the last step. > > The 3/8" aluminum engine mount plate was designed with a "wing-shaped" extension on the starboard forward corner to serve as the rear mounting for the oil cooler. After much head-scratching and "staring at it", the final position of the oi l cooler was determined, and a rear mounting bracket was fabricated from three pieces of aerospace surplus 2024-T3 extruded angle and (8) AN470AD4 rivets. Since the rear of the cooler is mounted on something that moves, the forward mounting had to provide enough "compliance" movement on all three axes. The forward mount is a standoff with a single central pivot bolt that is retained through two rubber grommets. This standoff mount is attached to the spar carry-through using modified rubber-padded Adel clamps. This flexible mount arrangement prevents the oil cooler itself from flexing, keeps the front of the cooler attached securely to the airframe, but allows movement in any direction and rotational movement on the bolt axis. > > The oil cooler is about 1.5 x 4 x 13 inches, and mounts lengthwise just inboard of the starboard wing root. The top surface of the cooler is flush with the top of the wing. Ram air will be fed to the cooler from a scoop on the underside of the center section wing cover, travel upwards through the cooler, and exit into the lower pressure airflow above the wing. Because the cooler is located a foot behind the thickest point of the airfoil the "low pressure" area above the wing is not 100% ideal, but it will still be far lower ambient pressure than the underside of the wing. In order to have more of a pressure drop across the cooler, I would have needed to move the cooler forward near the wing leading edge, and this would require a more complex and heavier cantilever mounting system. > > The engine has been mounted onto the engine mount plate more or less permanently. I went from 1 inch risers under the engine to 2 inch risers. I believe this is how Larry C's engine is mounted. Because I didn't want to raise the engine any higher, there was still a difficult interference problem with the aileron torque tubes and the exhaust pipes. I decided to use the system shown recently on the photographs that were posted on the List.... a Y shaped exhaust with the pipes coming inboard from the cylinders, meeting under the engine, and the main muffler or exhaust pipe traveling vertically down the rear of the steel cage. > > The large (dry sump) oil tank was another vexing problem that was finally (FINALLY!) resolved to my satisfaction after weeks of head-scratching. A small weldment consisting of two "half-pipe" pieces of steel tube crossed at 90 degrees will allow the tank to mount directly to the Kolb keel tube, keeping it out of the fuel and baggage areas and keeping the oil lines shorter/lighter. This weldment will use large screw type "hose clamps" to hold the tank to the mount,and the mount to the airframe. The HKS installation manual specifies a limited range of "height" where the oil tank can be mounted. Too high above the oil pump and it will flood or drown the oil pump, too low will make the oil pump work too hard to lift the oil out of the tank. > > While waiting for this oil tank mount to be "finish-welded", I have started on designing and fabricating the ignition component mounting plate, which will be Adel clamped to the keel tube and the port side steel spar carry-through structure.This will keep the ignition coils, electronic controllers, etc.close to the engine and keep it out of the fuel and baggage areas. > > The repairs to the cockpit longerons (bending them back straight), and the structural doublers to the wing spar pin attach lugs have been completed. Only a couple of squirts of Zinc Chromate on the spar root main doubler plates remain. After that all of the crash damage will have been repaired. > > Progress is agonizingly slow. But I'm trying to do things right, and extra safe. > > > > > > Bill Berle > www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft > www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities > > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 12/12/16, John Hauck wrote: > > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Sighting in Florida...well, kinda > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Monday, December 12, 2016, 2:05 PM > > Wendy: Sorry to hear about > Patrick. I wish him well and will keep him in my > prayers. Patrick and I go back a long > way. He flew with a radio that had flown to Alaska in > my MKIII. We met at Monument Valley about 2008. > I have a photo of Patrick, John Williamson, and me, standing > on the parking pad at MV airstrip. I found and > attached the photo. I am going to miss > Patrick's banter on the Kolb List. I know Larry > Cottrell will miss Patrick's video/audio coaching. > ;-) Take care my > friend. john hmkIIITitus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf > Of Patrick Ladd > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 10:38 AM > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Sighting in > Florida...well, kinda Dear JohnI > have picked up your email on Pat's computer. I am > sorry to tell you that Pat is terminally ill and is now in a > nearby nursing home permanently.I > am so sorry to be the bearer of such sad news. He has > always enjoyed his association with the Kolb > List.I would be grateful if you could > circulate the list for me as I am unsure how to do > this.Both Pat and I have fond memories > of meeting you and the others in Monument Valley a few years > ago.All the best to you > allWendy > Ladd > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 15, 2016
From: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing
That's not quite correct Dennis, I mounted the rear of the oil cooler to the engine mount plate, and the front of the oil cooler to the forward (main) spar carry-trough tube. The front mount has rubber grommets and a pivot bolt, to prevent the cooler from flexing, twisting, or bending. Essentially this design creates a movable mount that is clamped to a fixed part of the airframe. Tonight after work the oil tank mount gets finish-welded and hopefully painted, and mounted to the airframe.. Bill Berle www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 12/15/16, Dennis Rowe wrote: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016, 2:13 PM Dennis Rowe If I understand this correctly, you mounted your oil cooler to the engine base plate which is setting on Lord mounts, and also to the rear spar carry through? Sounds sketchy at best, I'd let the oil hoses do the flexing and mount the cooler to the airframe only, away from the shaking engine. Dennis Rowe Mk3 Rotax 670 > On Dec 12, 2016, at 6:50 PM, Bill Berle wrote: > > > If I had not lost my camera, there would be photos attached to this post :) > > I have more or less finalized the layout and design for mounting my HKS engine on the Firestar. Thanks to two fellow EAA chapter members, I have the engine mounting plate cut, shaped, de-burred, lightened, and semi-smoothed. The engine mount plate is semi-permanently mounted on the Kolb airframe Lord mounts. Putting the correct length bolts in and installing the self-lock nuts instead of the "shop work" plain nuts is the last step. > > The 3/8" aluminum engine mount plate was designed with a "wing-shaped" extension on the starboard forward corner to serve as the rear mounting for the oil cooler. After much head-scratching and "staring at it", the final position of the oi l cooler was determined, and a rear mounting bracket was fabricated from three pieces of aerospace surplus 2024-T3 extruded angle and (8) AN470AD4 rivets. Since the rear of the cooler is mounted on something that moves, the forward mounting had to provide enough "compliance" movement on all three axes. The forward mount is a standoff with a single central pivot bolt that is retained through two rubber grommets. This standoff mount is attached to the spar carry-through using modified rubber-padded Adel clamps. This flexible mount arrangement prevents the oil cooler itself from flexing, keeps the front of the cooler attached securely to the airframe, but allows movement in any direction and rotational movement on the bolt axis. > > The oil cooler is about 1.5 x 4 x 13 inches, and mounts lengthwise just inboard of the starboard wing root. The top surface of the cooler is flush with the top of the wing. Ram air will be fed to the cooler from a scoop on the underside of the center section wing cover, travel upwards through the cooler, and exit into the lower pressure airflow above the wing. Because the cooler is located a foot behind the thickest point of the airfoil the "low pressure" area above the wing is not 100% ideal, but it will still be far lower ambient pressure than the underside of the wing. In order to have more of a pressure drop across the cooler, I would have needed to move the cooler forward near the wing leading edge, and this would require a more complex and heavier cantilever mounting system. > > The engine has been mounted onto the engine mount plate more or less permanently. I went from 1 inch risers under the engine to 2 inch risers. I believe this is how Larry C's engine is mounted. Because I didn't want to raise the engine any higher, there was still a difficult interference problem with the aileron torque tubes and the exhaust pipes. I decided to use the system shown recently on the photographs that were posted on the List.... a Y shaped exhaust with the pipes coming inboard from the cylinders, meeting under the engine, and the main muffler or exhaust pipe traveling vertically down the rear of the steel cage. > > The large (dry sump) oil tank was another vexing problem that was finally (FINALLY!) resolved to my satisfaction after weeks of head-scratching. A small weldment consisting of two "half-pipe" pieces of steel tube crossed at 90 degrees will allow the tank to mount directly to the Kolb keel tube, keeping it out of the fuel and baggage areas and keeping the oil lines shorter/lighter. This weldment will use large screw type "hose clamps" to hold the tank to the mount,and the mount to the airframe. The HKS installation manual specifies a limited range of "height" where the oil tank can be mounted. Too high above the oil pump and it will flood or drown the oil pump, too low will make the oil pump work too hard to lift the oil out of the tank. > > While waiting for this oil tank mount to be "finish-welded", I have started on designing and fabricating the ignition component mounting plate, which will be Adel clamped to the keel tube and the port side steel spar carry-through structure.This will keep the ignition coils, electronic controllers, etc.close to the engine and keep it out of the fuel and baggage areas. > > The repairs to the cockpit longerons (bending them back straight), and the structural doublers to the wing spar pin attach lugs have been completed. Only a couple of squirts of Zinc Chromate on the spar root main doubler plates remain. After that all of the crash damage will have been repaired. > > Progress is agonizingly slow. But I'm trying to do things right, and extra safe. > > > > > > Bill Berle > www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft > www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities > > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 12/12/16, John Hauck wrote: > > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Sighting in Florida...well, kinda > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Monday, December 12, 2016, 2:05 PM > > Wendy: Sorry to hear about > Patrick. I wish him well and will keep him in my > prayers. Patrick and I go back a long > way. He flew with a radio that had flown to Alaska in > my MKIII. We met at Monument Valley about 2008. > I have a photo of Patrick, John Williamson, and me, standing > on the parking pad at MV airstrip. I found and > attached the photo. I am going to miss > Patrick's banter on the Kolb List. I know Larry > Cottrell will miss Patrick's video/audio coaching. > ;-) Take care my > friend. john hmkIIITitus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf > Of Patrick Ladd > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 10:38 AM > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Sighting in > Florida...well, kinda Dear JohnI > have picked up your email on Pat's computer. I am > sorry to tell you that Pat is terminally ill and is now in a > nearby nursing home permanently.I > am so sorry to be the bearer of such sad news. He has > always enjoyed his association with the Kolb > List.I would be grateful if you could > circulate the list for me as I am unsure how to do > this.Both Pat and I have fond memories > of meeting you and the others in Monument Valley a few years > ago.All the best to you > allWendy > Ladd > > > > > Lists This Month -- Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) Raiser. 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Date: Dec 15, 2016
From: "brubakermal(at)yahoo.com" <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 912 install
I am making a list for a install of a 912. fuel lines .wiring plugs. coolen t hoses .clamps . Im installing a Grand Rapids- EIS.- =0A=0ASent from Y ahoo Mail on Android=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing
Date: Dec 15, 2016
Recommend mounting cooler to airframe with shock mounts. I used 4 each 582 radiator shock mounts to hang my coolers, coolant and oil, piggy backed, from the rear of the fuselage. My experience mounting accessories to the engine resulted in severe vibration fatigue. I have my doubts the way you are mounting your cooler, engine mount and rubber grommets to the airframe. If you decide to go that route, and I think you have, let us know how it works out after a 100 hours or so. john h mkIII Titus, Al -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Berle Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 4:39 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing That's not quite correct Dennis, I mounted the rear of the oil cooler to the engine mount plate, and the front of the oil cooler to the forward (main) spar carry-trough tube. The front mount has rubber grommets and a pivot bolt, to prevent the cooler from flexing, twisting, or bending. Essentially this design creates a movable mount that is clamped to a fixed part of the airframe. Tonight after work the oil tank mount gets finish-welded and hopefully painted, and mounted to the airframe.. Bill Berle www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 12/15/16, Dennis Rowe wrote: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016, 2:13 PM Dennis Rowe If I understand this correctly, you mounted your oil cooler to the engine base plate which is setting on Lord mounts, and also to the rear spar carry through? Sounds sketchy at best, I'd let the oil hoses do the flexing and mount the cooler to the airframe only, away from the shaking engine. Dennis Rowe Mk3 Rotax 670 > On Dec 12, 2016, at 6:50 PM, Bill Berle wrote: > plain nuts is the last step. > > The 3/8" aluminum engine mount plate was designed with a "wing-shaped" extension on the starboard forward corner to serve as the rear mounting for the oil cooler. After much head-scratching and "staring at it", the final position of the oi l cooler was determined, and a rear mounting bracket was fabricated from three pieces of aerospace surplus 2024-T3 extruded angle and (8) AN470AD4 rivets. Since the rear of the cooler is mounted on something that moves, the forward mounting had to provide enough "compliance" movement on all three axes. The forward mount is a standoff with a single central pivot bolt that is retained through two rubber grommets. This standoff mount is attached to the spar carry-through using modified rubber-padded Adel clamps. This flexible mount arrangement prevents the oil cooler itself from flexing, keeps the front of the cooler attached securely to the airframe, but allows movement in any direction and rotational movement on the bolt axis. > > The oil cooler is about 1.5 x 4 x 13 inches, and mounts lengthwise just inboard of the starboard wing root. The top surface of the cooler is flush with the top of the wing. Ram air will be fed to the cooler from a scoop on the underside of the center section wing cover, travel upwards through the cooler, and exit into the lower pressure airflow above the wing. Because the cooler is located a foot behind the thickest point of the airfoil the "low pressure" area above the wing is not 100% ideal, but it will still be far lower ambient pressure than the underside of the wing. In order to have more of a pressure drop across the cooler, I would have needed to move the cooler forward near the wing leading edge, and this would require a more complex and heavier cantilever mounting system. > > The engine has been mounted onto the engine mount plate more or less permanently. I went from 1 inch risers under the engine to 2 inch risers. I believe this is how Larry C's engine is mounted. Because I didn't want to raise the engine any higher, there was still a difficult interference problem with the aileron torque tubes and the exhaust pipes. I decided to use the system shown recently on the photographs that were posted on the List.... a Y shaped exhaust with the pipes coming inboard from the cylinders, meeting under the engine, and the main muffler or exhaust pipe traveling vertically down the rear of the steel cage. > > The large (dry sump) oil tank was another vexing problem that was finally (FINALLY!) resolved to my satisfaction after weeks of head-scratching. A small weldment consisting of two "half-pipe" pieces of steel tube crossed at 90 degrees will allow the tank to mount directly to the Kolb keel tube, keeping it out of the fuel and baggage areas and keeping the oil lines shorter/lighter. This weldment will use large screw type "hose clamps" to hold the tank to the mount,and the mount to the airframe. The HKS installation manual specifies a limited range of "height" where the oil tank can be mounted. Too high above the oil pump and it will flood or drown the oil pump, too low will make the oil pump work too hard to lift the oil out of the tank. > > While waiting for this oil tank mount to be "finish-welded", I have started on designing and fabricating the ignition component mounting plate, which will be Adel clamped to the keel tube and the port side steel spar carry-through structure.This will keep the ignition coils, electronic controllers, etc.close to the engine and keep it out of the fuel and baggage areas. > > The repairs to the cockpit longerons (bending them back straight), and the structural doublers to the wing spar pin attach lugs have been completed. Only a couple of squirts of Zinc Chromate on the spar root main doubler plates remain. After that all of the crash damage will have been repaired. > > Progress is agonizingly slow. But I'm trying to do things right, and extra safe. > > > > > > Bill Berle > www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft > www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities > > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 12/12/16, John Hauck wrote: > > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Sighting in Florida...well, kinda > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Monday, December 12, 2016, 2:05 PM > > Wendy: Sorry to hear about > Patrick. I wish him well and will keep him in my > prayers. Patrick and I go back a long > way. He flew with a radio that had flown to Alaska in > my MKIII. We met at Monument Valley about 2008. > I have a photo of Patrick, John Williamson, and me, standing > on the parking pad at MV airstrip. I found and > attached the photo. I am going to miss > Patrick's banter on the Kolb List. I know Larry > Cottrell will miss Patrick's video/audio coaching. > ;-) Take care my > friend. john hmkIIITitus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf > Of Patrick Ladd > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 10:38 AM > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Sighting in > Florida...well, kinda Dear JohnI > have picked up your email on Pat's computer. I am > sorry to tell you that Pat is terminally ill and is now in a > nearby nursing home permanently.I > am so sorry to be the bearer of such sad news. He has > always enjoyed his association with the Kolb > List.I would be grateful if you could > circulate the list for me as I am unsure how to do > this.Both Pat and I have fond memories > of meeting you and the others in Monument Valley a few years > ago.All the best to you > allWendy > Ladd > > > > > Lists This Month -- Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) Raiser. Click on more about Gifts provided www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com www.mypilotstore.com www.mrrace.com -Matt Dralle, List Admin. Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - MATRONICS LIST WIKI - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing
From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
Date: Dec 15, 2016
OK, your first post was 3 days ago and you still don't have any pictures and my feeble mind is having trouble figuring out just exactly what it is you are doing. Do we need to take up a collection and buy you a camera, so you can post pictures? (Appropriately resized of course) [Rolling Eyes] And I say this with a clear conscience, because I spent Monday and Tuesday finishing up the brake disc mounts/spacers for the FF wheels, and yesterday I finished welding up the aileron linkage and lower cage tubes, took pictures, and sent them to my partner for his approval, and have already heard back. C'mon you slacker, post some pictures! [Laughing] -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463959#463959 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Keith Callfas <kkcmax(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 12/15/16
Date: Dec 16, 2016
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Subject: Re: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing
From: "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 16, 2016
OK , So... why don't we get any pictures? -------- West1m Hastings, MN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463967#463967 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 16, 2016
From: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing
John H and Kolbers, I realize full well that the oil cooler installation I described is "outside the box" and not common. You will have to trust me that I did NOT do it this way just to be a smart aleck (although I'm usually guilty of that too). My first idea with the cooler was exactly as John H described... vertically mounted at the rear of the fuselage cage. Would have been easy-peasy. But this created two problems. First it would require longer oil hoses to go back and forth between the cooler and the engine AND the oil tank. The HKS manual specifically suggests keeping the oil lines short. Second, the exhaust will be running through that same area right behind the cage. I wanted to keep any oil leakage or seeping from the cooler away from exhaust components for fire safety. More importantly, mounting the exhaust system directly behind the cooler would impede the outflow of air through the cooler, reducing the effectiveness of the cooler. Nothing would have made me happier than being able to mount the cooler to the airframe only. But the engine mounting structure/configuration of the Kolb was done with the Rotax 2 stroke engine in mind, and adapting another entire class of engine to it creates all sorts of problems. Another recent poster (and a whole lot of previous posts) was 100% right... leaving the 447 on it would have been much easier. But I have a good reason to want a 4 stroke engine, and I have to put my nose to the grindstone and do what it takes to do things right. Bill Berle www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing
Date: Dec 16, 2016
I don't know that I fully understand the way you have mounted the oil cooler. How about posting some photos. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Berle Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 3:34 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing John H and Kolbers, I realize full well that the oil cooler installation I described is "outside the box" and not common. You will have to trust me that I did NOT do it this way just to be a smart aleck (although I'm usually guilty of that too). My first idea with the cooler was exactly as John H described... vertically mounted at the rear of the fuselage cage. Would have been easy-peasy. But this created two problems. First it would require longer oil hoses to go back and forth between the cooler and the engine AND the oil tank. The HKS manual specifically suggests keeping the oil lines short. Second, the exhaust will be running through that same area right behind the cage. I wanted to keep any oil leakage or seeping from the cooler away from exhaust components for fire safety. More importantly, mounting the exhaust system directly behind the cooler would impede the outflow of air through the cooler, reducing the effectiveness of the cooler. Nothing would have made me happier than being able to mount the cooler to the airframe only. But the engine mounting structure/configuration of the Kolb was done with the Rotax 2 stroke engine in mind, and adapting another entire class of engine to it creates all sorts of problems. Another recent poster (and a whole lot of previous posts) was 100% right... leaving the 447 on it would have been much easier. But I have a good reason to want a 4 stroke engine, and I have to put my nose to the grindstone and do what it takes to do things right. Bill Berle www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 16, 2016
From: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing
Yeah, I figure I owe the group some photos after getting everyone all riled up again :) I will borrow a camera Saturday if I can't find mine. Bill Berle www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12/16/16, John Hauck wrote: Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Date: Friday, December 16, 2016, 1:49 PM "John Hauck" I don't know that I fully understand the way you have mounted the oil cooler. How about posting some photos. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Berle Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 3:34 PM To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing John H and Kolbers, I realize full well that the oil cooler installation I described is "outside the box" and not common. You will have to trust me that I did NOT do it this way just to be a smart aleck (although I'm usually guilty of that too). My first idea with the cooler was exactly as John H described... vertically mounted at the rear of the fuselage cage. Would have been easy-peasy. But this created two problems. First it would require longer oil hoses to go back and forth between the cooler and the engine AND the oil tank. The HKS manual specifically suggests keeping the oil lines short. Second, the exhaust will be running through that same area right behind the cage. I wanted to keep any oil leakage or seeping from the cooler away from exhaust components for fire safety. More importantly, mounting the exhaust system directly behind the cooler would impede the outflow of air through the cooler, reducing the effectiveness of the cooler. Nothing would have made me happier than being able to mount the cooler to the airframe only. But the engine mounting structure/configuration of the Kolb was done with the Rotax 2 stroke engine in mind, and adapting another entire class of engine to it creates all sorts of problems. Another recent poster (and a whole lot of previous posts) was 100% right... leaving the 447 on it would have been much easier. But I have a good reason to want a 4 stroke engine, and I have to put my nose to the grindstone and do what it takes to do things right. Bill Berle www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities Lists This Month -- Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) Raiser. Click on more about Gifts provided www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com www.mypilotstore.com www.mrrace.com -Matt Dralle, List Admin. Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - MATRONICS LIST WIKI - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 16, 2016
From: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Kolb Firestar 2 kit For Sale
This is a reminder for the Kolb group that I have a partially completed Firestar 2 kit project for sale. This can be sold with or without a low time Rotax 447. Had to promise the wife that if I bought a completed Firestar I would sell the kit project that I had been working on. I'd rather keep it and build it (was enjoying the build), but a promise is a promise... especially with a 12 gauge pointed at my head. Sell or trade. Bill Berle www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Airport Courtesy Cars App Closing?
From: "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 18, 2016
I am happy to report that thanks to donations, the site continues. View the donors or add your name by clicking here: https://www.airportcourtesycars.com/thank-you-donors-.html Thanks, Glenn -------- Glenn Brasch RV-9A Flying Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret) Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App and www.airportcourtesycars.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464112#464112 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 19, 2016
From: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing
Trying like hell to attach photos as prmoised.... my e-mail posting keeps getting rejected. Bill Berle www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Dec 19, 2016
Bill A suggestion...I use Photobucket... Its a web site where you can post your pictures for free...and there seems to be no problem with picture size... With that, all you need to do is post the link here buy doing a copy and paste...Herb On 12/19/2016 12:46 AM, Bill Berle wrote: > > Trying like hell to attach photos as prmoised.... my e-mail posting keeps getting rejected. > > Bill Berle > www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft > www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Dec 19, 2016
Bill Here is my example...Herb http://s1248.photobucket.com/user/herbgh/library/?sort=3&page=1 On 12/19/2016 12:46 AM, Bill Berle wrote: > > Trying like hell to attach photos as prmoised.... my e-mail posting keeps getting rejected. > > Bill Berle > www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft > www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing
Date: Dec 19, 2016
Let's see if we can attach a photo in Alabama. May be a California thing. John Williamson and me at one of the early Kolb Homecomings. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama Trying like hell to attach photos as prmoised.... my e-mail posting keeps getting rejected. Bill Berle ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: HKS
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Date: Dec 19, 2016
Larry Think I said...I have the 80 hour...second gen HKS on a Rans S-14... Wondering if it was a big job to install one on the Firestar? I have two 503's...well actually three..since I have one on the Challenger 2 that was in the pics that you saw... My thought is to move the HKS to the Firestar and install a 503 on the Rans... So...a question....or two..firstly how many brackets and the like were you required to make and two..did you make your own hoses for the dry sump? Herb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 19, 2016
Subject: Re: HKS
I didn't have to make any brackets other than for my oil cooler and tank. I think that I got every thing I needed from Jerry @Green sky. The mounting plate has to have a divot in it to accommedate the sump on the HKS, as well as . Jerry had some brackets that he made for the mags and other electrical stuff. I received the hose and fittings from him as well, and every thing worked out well. I left the muffler where he suggested, but changed the oil cooler to the back of the cage. You might check with Berle and see what if any improvements he came up with. I will be glad to furnish you with any pictures you might want and between Bill Berle and myself find something that will fit what you want. Larry On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Herb wrote: > > Larry > > Think I said...I have the 80 hour...second gen HKS on a Rans S-14... > Wondering if it was a big job to install one on the Firestar? I have two > 503's...well actually three..since I have one on the Challenger 2 that was > in the pics that you saw... My thought is to move the HKS to the Firestar > and install a 503 on the Rans... > > So...a question....or two..firstly how many brackets and the like were > you required to make and two..did you make your own hoses for the dry > sump? Herb > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 19, 2016
From: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: photo test
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