Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-oo
June 13, 2017 - August 20, 2017
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| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Strange Flying characteristics of new to me Mark III clasic |
Jimmy I am posting things on the Kolb e-mail list, but nobody seems to have a direct
answer for why the airplane rolls one way and not another.
I have three separate ideas for you to try, but I have not tested any of them.
First, Use a digital level, measuring at three or four places on each wing, to
make sure your airplane is not warped or built improperly. If one wing is twisted
only a few degrees, it will answer half of these problems immediately. Tape
or clamp the level onto a piece of aluminum angle or a straight edge that is
100% straight. Jack up the tailwheel until the airplane is level by their definition.
Measure at the root rib on each side, two ribs on each wing in the middle,
and the last tip rib. You are checking to see that ALL of these lines are
exactly the same.
Second, make 100% sure your airplane is rigged and adjusted to the factory specs.
Get this information from Bryan Melbourne if you don't already have it. Basically,
forget about anything that anyone else has done, and "zero out" the settings
to whatever Kolb says they are supposed to be.
Third, make a piece of tube or dowel that fits into or onto the control stick,
that allows you to have another 6 or 8 inches of leverage. This can be temporary,
but you definitely need to have more control avaiilable than you need to use.
Fourth, actually measure and record how much each aileron twists when you move
the stick and someone holds the tip of the aileron. What you are looking for is
one aileron being more flexible than the other, or one aileron having something
loose or cracked, etc.
At that time, after you have proven the wings are not twisted, and all four control
surfaces are where the factory says they should be,a nd nothing is weak or
cracked... THEN go test fly the aircraft again. Test it on the main runway,
before the control tower opens. Do short flights at 5 foot altitude, verify that
the airplane flies straight and that you have no "pull" or roll to the right
or left. You MUST prove to yourself (and your kids) that you have plenty of
aileron control authority to roll right and left equally, BEFORE you let yourself
get above 5 feet.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 6/12/17, jonealjr wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: Strange Flying characteristics of new to me Mark III clasic
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, June 12, 2017, 1:31 PM
"jonealjr"
PLEASE HELP IF ANYONE HAS EXPERIENCE
WITH THIS :)
I have a mark III classic w 912 uls
Acting odd during taxi needs lots of left rudder to keep on
the runway with tail on and off the ground and while flying
needs lots of right stick to keep plane level. If you let go
of the controls during straight and level flight the plane
wants to roll to the left has anyone had similar experiences
and or has anybody had any luck with adjusting engine mounts
changing the thrust angle to help with aileron trim etc
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| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Strange Flying characteristics of new to me Mark III |
clasic
Jimmy
I agree with John H make sure the plane is built to specifications first.
Bill
I disagree 100%. Kolb airplanes never have control issues if they are built
correctly. That being said they are built by builders of all skill levels.
So to say it in a more technical way, shit happens.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 7:03 PM, Bill Berle
wrote:
>
> That is very helpful, thank you for taking time to respond.
>
> Over and above the potential causes and fixes for this, another thing I am
> getting out of all this discussion is that significant aileron system
> issues (control heaviness, asymmetrical loads and high required force) is
> not seen as being rare or abnormal for a Kolb.
>
> As a suggestion, I will advise Jimmy O'Neal to find the original Kolb
> rigging and control setup specifications and start by making sure that this
> is all set back to the factory specs. That way he will know where he is
> starting from.
>
> I will also advise him to make a proper series of measurements to
> determine whether there is a warp, twist, or other "big picture" issue with
> the aircraft.
>
> As far as resolving the high force to actuate the aileron system, does
> anyone on the Kolb list know whether the aerobatic style "spades" that were
> developed for one Kolb actually solved this problem? It seems like a lot of
> effort and modification, but I also know that these spades do work (on
> aerobatic aircraft and for a different intended purpose).
>
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and
> for-profit entities
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 6/13/17, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Strange Flying characteristics of new to me
> Mark III clasic
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2017, 3:45 PM
>
> Hauck"
>
> In my experience it was lack of an
> adequate trim tab, if all else was rigged to specs and the
> control system had not been changed or modified.
>
> The aircraft I was flying was much
> easier to roll right than left.
>
> John h
> mkIII
> Fayetteville, NC
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of Bill Berle
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 6:32 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Strange
> Flying characteristics of new to me Mark III clasic
>
> Bill Berle
>
> John H thank you for your reply, but I
> am still left with a specific question:
>
> If you were test flying someone's Mk 3
> Classic, and you found that it was 2X or 3X as difficult to
> roll the aircraft to the right as opposed to rolling it the
> left, and if the roll rate to the right was 1/2 as fast as
> the roll rate to the left, what would you suspect as the
> cause of this condition?
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety
> & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net -
> winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 6/13/17, John Hauck
> wrote:
>
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Strange
> Flying characteristics of new to me Mark III clasic
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2017, 3:18 PM
>
> "John
> Hauck"
>
> If the aircraft was mine and I had
> all
> those problems, I'd start from
> scratch, insure the aircraft was built correctly, had
> not been modified (especially the control system), and
> everything was rigged as specified in the plans and
> instructions. I would insure I was starting my
> journey from a standard beginning.
>
> Once I got it back to standard
> configuration, then I would test fly
> it, insuring I did the test flight alone, not with a
> passenger on board. If I wasn't an experienced
> MKIII pilot, I'd find one that was to do my test
> flying. He would know what to expect from the
> MKIII in flight.
>
> If I still encountered the same
> problems, I'd put the standard (large)
> rudder trim tab on temporarily. It can be
> attached with Gorilla Tape to test fly.
> Sometimes the rudder trim tab will correct adverse
> roll problems, when your mind is telling you that it
> is aileron or wing incidence problems.
>
> Always change only one thing at a
> time. After each change, test
> fly to see what that change has affected.
>
> I would not change thrust line in any
> way, unless it has been
> modified. Then I would change it back to what it
> should be per the instructions. The thrust lines
> on Kolb aircraft, all models, are correct the way they
> were designed and fabricated. Incorrect thrust
> lines would not affect the aircrafts flight
> characteristic as described unless you mounted the
> engine backwards.
>
> I would not try to trim the aircraft
> with flap(s).
>
> Aileron trim tabs are effective for
> slight roll problems, not the problems
> you all describe.
>
> I test flew the latest model MKIII
> Extra. It demonstrated similar
> characteristics. Wanted to fly straight if it was
> allowed to roll 10 to 15 degrees to the right.
> Was a terrible, unnatural feeling. Took a Hell
> of a lot of left stick to fly it straight and level,
> but was happy flying rolled right. This flight was
> without a rudder trim tab. We installed the
> large rudder trim tab, test flew, and the problem was
> gone. Hard for me to grasp, but it worked.
>
> These are my thoughts and
> experiences. It is the way I
> would do it. I am not recommending anyone else
> try this at home.
>
> John h
> Fayetteville, NC
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of Bill Berle
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 5:00 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Strange
> Flying characteristics of new to me
> Mark III clasic
>
> Bill Berle
>
> One or more Kolbers has pointed to
> the
> flaps as a possible reason for the
> problems we had. This may be the problem... does the
> following make sense to the experienced Kolbers??? :
>
> Let's say that the airplane was not
> built perfectly straight, and it
> wanted to roll one way (like many homebuilts).
>
> One owner installed the "adjustable"
> U-joint on one side of the fuselage on
> this aircraft, hoping to trim out the problem that
> way.
>
> The same owner, or perhaps a
> subsequent owner, tried to adjust one of the wing
> flaps a little more up or down, still trying to solve
> the problem.
>
> But because the flaps are hinged
> directly to the aileron torque tubes,
> adjusting the flap will have an unfortunate side
> effect of inducing different forces on the ailerons as
> well.
>
> If one flap has been adjusted
> downward
> (attempt to trim airplane to fly
> straight), then when the stick is moved in that
> direction the pilot has to use more force, because the
> pilot is pushing that FLAP down into the airstream
> more than he has to push the other flap.
>
> Jimmy removed the adjustable U-joint
> and replaced it with the standard
> U-joint, on advice from the factory. This may have
> also taken out HALF of the previous corrective efforts
> to trim the airplane.
>
> Does this make sense to any of you?
> Have any of you seen Kolbs where the
> owner tried to adjust the flaps in order to correct a
> wing issue?
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety
> & performance upgrade for light
> aircraft www.grantstar.net
> - winning proposals for non-profit and
> for-profit entities
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Strange Flying characteristics of new to me Mark III |
clasic
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
On 6/13/2017 2:55 PM, Ralph B wrote:
>
> Along with the U-joints, there is also the offset fin. This was installed by
the builder and I don't see how I would do without it. I've also included a picture
of the adjustable rudder trim tab. Between the U-joints, offset fin, and
rudder trim tab, the Kolbra can fly hands off in calm air. For pitch trim, the
builder installed a motorized bungee windup to move the stick forward or aft.
It is controlled with a toggle switch for nose up or down trim.
>
> Ralph B
>
> --------
> Ralph B
>
> Kolb Kolbra 912uls
> N20386
> 550 hours
Clever ideas, but a couple of questions.
1st, no safety wire on that turnbuckle?
2nd, what's to keep those little shackles on the horizontal stabs from
going overcenter & moving the leading edge up instead of down?
Charlie
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| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Strange Flying characteristics of new to me Mark III clasic |
Jimmy
We don't know your airplane so we can only guess what maybe the problem.
You have our best suggestions..... Maybe it isn't the airplane?
Bill may have some good suggestions but do not follow the 5 foot
suggestion. Our Kolbs do not react well in this maneuver. I can't think of
a better way to bend a perfectly good Kolb.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Bill Berle
wrote:
>
> Jimmy I am posting things on the Kolb e-mail list, but nobody seems to
> have a direct answer for why the airplane rolls one way and not another.
>
> I have three separate ideas for you to try, but I have not tested any of
> them.
>
> First, Use a digital level, measuring at three or four places on each
> wing, to make sure your airplane is not warped or built improperly. If one
> wing is twisted only a few degrees, it will answer half of these problems
> immediately. Tape or clamp the level onto a piece of aluminum angle or a
> straight edge that is 100% straight. Jack up the tailwheel until the
> airplane is level by their definition. Measure at the root rib on each
> side, two ribs on each wing in the middle, and the last tip rib. You are
> checking to see that ALL of these lines are exactly the same.
>
> Second, make 100% sure your airplane is rigged and adjusted to the factory
> specs. Get this information from Bryan Melbourne if you don't already have
> it. Basically, forget about anything that anyone else has done, and "zero
> out" the settings to whatever Kolb says they are supposed to be.
>
> Third, make a piece of tube or dowel that fits into or onto the control
> stick, that allows you to have another 6 or 8 inches of leverage. This can
> be temporary, but you definitely need to have more control avaiilable than
> you need to use.
>
> Fourth, actually measure and record how much each aileron twists when you
> move the stick and someone holds the tip of the aileron. What you are
> looking for is one aileron being more flexible than the other, or one
> aileron having something loose or cracked, etc.
>
> At that time, after you have proven the wings are not twisted, and all
> four control surfaces are where the factory says they should be,a nd
> nothing is weak or cracked... THEN go test fly the aircraft again. Test it
> on the main runway, before the control tower opens. Do short flights at 5
> foot altitude, verify that the airplane flies straight and that you have no
> "pull" or roll to the right or left. You MUST prove to yourself (and your
> kids) that you have plenty of aileron control authority to roll right and
> left equally, BEFORE you let yourself get above 5 feet.
>
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and
> for-profit entities
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 6/12/17, jonealjr wrote:
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Strange Flying characteristics of new to me Mark III
> clasic
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Monday, June 12, 2017, 1:31 PM
>
> "jonealjr"
>
> PLEASE HELP IF ANYONE HAS EXPERIENCE
> WITH THIS :)
>
> I have a mark III classic w 912 uls
> Acting odd during taxi needs lots of left rudder to keep on
> the runway with tail on and off the ground and while flying
> needs lots of right stick to keep plane level. If you let go
> of the controls during straight and level flight the plane
> wants to roll to the left has anyone had similar experiences
> and or has anybody had any luck with adjusting engine mounts
> changing the thrust angle to help with aileron trim etc
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470012#470012
>
>
> The Kolb-List Email Forum -
> Navigator to browse
> List Un/Subscription,
> 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> via the Web Forums!
> - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI -
> Email List Wiki!
> - List Contribution Web Site -
> support!
>
> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Strange Flying characteristics of new to me Mark III clasic |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
https://microsoft-powertoys-image-resizer.en.softonic.com/
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470077#470077
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Strange Flying characteristics of new to me Mark |
III clasic
Kolbs were not designed for aerobatics and fast roll rates at higher speeds.
Homer Kolb's idea of the epitome of flight was to fly slowly, just above the stall
and just above the tree tops, to be in contact with the ground. His requirement
was full aileron control right through the stall. In order to do this,
Kolbs have very large ailerons. The Ultrastars and Firestars had full span deep
cord ailerons just for that purpose. If one wants quick full aileron throw
he must slow down. The faster the airspeed the heavier the aileron. At higher
speeds, 80, 90, and higher, the MKIII is still very flyable, but you aren't
going to move the ailerons very much very quickly. If you want faster roll
rate, slow down.
If one is flying fast, gets into severe turbulence, and think they need a lot of
aileron input quickly, you ain't gonna get it. Slow down to a comfortable maneuvering
speed and your bird will do exactly what you tell it to. You cannot
be forceful. There is a lot of leverage in that control stick. If you force
it, something might bend or break.
At slower speeds my MKIII, and the other two Kolbs I built, will respond quite
readily to aileron input. One can easily get full aileron travel.
I once complained to Homer Kolb about the heavy ailerons. Homer told me to be
gentle and the airplane would do what I wanted it to do. A gentle pilot, in my
opinion, is a much better pilot than one that tries to force an airplane to
respond.
Again, my own opinion. Don't recommend anyone doing like I do, but it works for
me.
John h
mkIII
Fayetteville, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Berle
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:03 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Strange Flying characteristics of new to me Mark III
clasic
That is very helpful, thank you for taking time to respond.
Over and above the potential causes and fixes for this, another thing I am getting
out of all this discussion is that significant aileron system issues (control
heaviness, asymmetrical loads and high required force) is not seen as being
rare or abnormal for a Kolb.
As a suggestion, I will advise Jimmy O'Neal to find the original Kolb rigging and
control setup specifications and start by making sure that this is all set
back to the factory specs. That way he will know where he is starting from.
I will also advise him to make a proper series of measurements to determine whether
there is a warp, twist, or other "big picture" issue with the aircraft.
As far as resolving the high force to actuate the aileron system, does anyone on
the Kolb list know whether the aerobatic style "spades" that were developed
for one Kolb actually solved this problem? It seems like a lot of effort and modification,
but I also know that these spades do work (on aerobatic aircraft
and for a different intended purpose).
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 6/13/17, John Hauck wrote:
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Strange Flying characteristics of new to me Mark
III clasic
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2017, 3:45 PM
Hauck"
In my experience it was lack of an
adequate trim tab, if all else was rigged to specs and the control system had
not been changed or modified.
The aircraft I was flying was much
easier to roll right than left.
John h
mkIII
Fayetteville, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Bill Berle
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 6:32 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Strange
Flying characteristics of new to me Mark III clasic
Bill Berle
John H thank you for your reply, but I
am still left with a specific question:
If you were test flying someone's Mk 3
Classic, and you found that it was 2X or 3X as difficult to roll the aircraft
to the right as opposed to rolling it the left, and if the roll rate to the
right was 1/2 as fast as the roll rate to the left, what would you suspect as
the cause of this condition?
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety
& performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 6/13/17, John Hauck
wrote:
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Strange
Flying characteristics of new to me Mark III clasic
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2017, 3:18 PM
"John
Hauck"
If the aircraft was mine and I had
all
those problems, I'd start from
scratch, insure the aircraft was built correctly, had not been modified (especially
the control system), and everything was rigged as specified in the
plans and instructions. I would insure I was starting my journey from a standard
beginning.
Once I got it back to standard
configuration, then I would test fly
it, insuring I did the test flight alone, not with a passenger on board. If
I wasn't an experienced MKIII pilot, I'd find one that was to do my test
flying. He would know what to expect from the MKIII in flight.
If I still encountered the same
problems, I'd put the standard (large) rudder trim tab on temporarily. It
can be attached with Gorilla Tape to test fly. Sometimes the rudder trim tab
will correct adverse roll problems, when your mind is telling you that it
is aileron or wing incidence problems.
Always change only one thing at a
time. After each change, test
fly to see what that change has affected.
I would not change thrust line in any
way, unless it has been
modified. Then I would change it back to what it should be per the instructions.
The thrust lines on Kolb aircraft, all models, are correct the way they
were designed and fabricated. Incorrect thrust lines would not affect
the aircrafts flight characteristic as described unless you mounted the engine
backwards.
I would not try to trim the aircraft
with flap(s).
Aileron trim tabs are effective for
slight roll problems, not the problems you all describe.
I test flew the latest model MKIII
Extra. It demonstrated similar
characteristics. Wanted to fly straight if it was allowed to roll 10 to 15
degrees to the right. Was a terrible, unnatural feeling. Took a Hell of a
lot of left stick to fly it straight and level, but was happy flying rolled
right. This flight was without a rudder trim tab. We installed the large
rudder trim tab, test flew, and the problem was gone. Hard for me to grasp,
but it worked.
These are my thoughts and
experiences. It is the way I
would do it. I am not recommending anyone else try this at home.
John h
Fayetteville, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Bill Berle
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 5:00 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Strange
Flying characteristics of new to me
Mark III clasic
Bill Berle
One or more Kolbers has pointed to
the
flaps as a possible reason for the
problems we had. This may be the problem... does the following make sense to
the experienced Kolbers??? :
Let's say that the airplane was not
built perfectly straight, and it
wanted to roll one way (like many homebuilts).
One owner installed the "adjustable"
U-joint on one side of the fuselage on this aircraft, hoping to trim out the
problem that way.
The same owner, or perhaps a
subsequent owner, tried to adjust one of the wing flaps a little more up or
down, still trying to solve the problem.
But because the flaps are hinged
directly to the aileron torque tubes,
adjusting the flap will have an unfortunate side effect of inducing different
forces on the ailerons as well.
If one flap has been adjusted
downward
(attempt to trim airplane to fly
straight), then when the stick is moved in that direction the pilot has to use
more force, because the pilot is pushing that FLAP down into the airstream
more than he has to push the other flap.
Jimmy removed the adjustable U-joint
and replaced it with the standard
U-joint, on advice from the factory. This may have also taken out HALF of the
previous corrective efforts to trim the airplane.
Does this make sense to any of you?
Have any of you seen Kolbs where the
owner tried to adjust the flaps in order to correct a wing issue?
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety
& performance upgrade for light
aircraft www.grantstar.net
- winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
The Kolb-List Email Forum -
Navigator to browse
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7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
- MATRONICS WEB
FORUMS -
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WIKI -
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Site -
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Admin.
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-Matt Dralle, List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Strange Flying characteristics of new to me Mark III clasic |
| From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
Richard Pike wrote:
> https://microsoft-powertoys-image-resizer.en.softonic.com/
Richard, I scaled down the images by 50%. It works much better!
Ralph B
--------
Ralph B
Kolb Kolbra 912uls
N20386
550 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Strange Flying characteristics of new to me Mark III clas |
| From: | "kenw" <worthken67(at)gmail.com> |
I am currently building a NEW Mark III Classic... If you need any Plans or blue
print spec info, let me know.
worthken67(at)gmail.com
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kenw
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470121#470121
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| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Michigan Kolb Gathering |
I'm trying setup a impromptu Kolb gatering in Mighigan There are three of
us in the Hart, Cadillac, and Howard City area. Seems like Chris Ambrose
was at Houghton Lake. Is Chris still around and flying his Kolb? Anyone
else in the area that would like to join us? Time, date, and location
flexible.
Contact me Off List at: NeilsenRM(at)gmail.com
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Michigan Kolb Gathering |
Depending on time frame I may be able to fly up.
John h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Neilsen
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 3:27 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Michigan Kolb Gathering
I'm trying setup a impromptu Kolb gatering in Mighigan There are three
of us in the Hart, Cadillac, and Howard City area. Seems like Chris
Ambrose was at Houghton Lake. Is Chris still around and flying his Kolb?
Anyone else in the area that would like to join us? Time, date, and
location flexible.
Contact me Off List at: NeilsenRM(at)gmail.com
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Michigan Kolb Gathering |
That would be very cool, John!
Have a great day!
> On Jun 14, 2017, at 3:44 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Depending on time frame I may be able to fly up.
>
> John h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Neilsen
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 3:27 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Michigan Kolb Gathering
>
> I'm trying setup a impromptu Kolb gatering in Mighigan There are three of u
s in the Hart, Cadillac, and Howard City area. Seems like Chris Ambrose was a
t Houghton Lake. Is Chris still around and flying his Kolb? Anyone else in t
he area that would like to join us? Time, date, and location flexible.
>
> Contact me Off List at: NeilsenRM(at)gmail.com
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Michigan Kolb Gathering |
I haven=99t done a cross country flight since Sun and Fun 2016.
Had thought about flying back to the Rock House in Oregon, but changed
my mind on that one. It is 750 air miles to the center of the three
towns referenced below. A two day flight for an old fart in a MKIII.
Route of flight takes me right over Fort Knox. ;-) Maybe I could RON
there and make a withdrawal at the same time. That would help pay for
the fuel to get up there and back.
Round trip flight is 1500 air miles, 20 hours flight time, and 100 gals
of fuel. Works out to 4 days travel time up and back. Doesn=99t
count any flying while up there.
I=99ll think about it and see what falls out. For now, count me
in.
John h
MKIII
Fayetteville, NC
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Helton
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Michigan Kolb Gathering
That would be very cool, John!
Have a great day!
On Jun 14, 2017, at 3:44 PM, John Hauck wrote:
Depending on time frame I may be able to fly up.
John h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Neilsen
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 3:27 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Michigan Kolb Gathering
I'm trying setup a impromptu Kolb gatering in Mighigan There are three
of us in the Hart, Cadillac, and Howard City area. Seems like Chris
Ambrose was at Houghton Lake. Is Chris still around and flying his Kolb?
Anyone else in the area that would like to join us? Time, date, and
location flexible.
Contact me Off List at: NeilsenRM(at)gmail.com
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Roll problems of the Mk III |
Bill, John is right. I had the misfortune to deal with a Mk III C
conversion to a III X. It had 29 hours on it and five owners. I think
almost all of the posts I made while fixing it make reference to The Plane
from Hell. You can read about all I did to bring the aircraft back to trim.
At one point I took the rudder trim tab off it. The aircraft became
unflyable for all practical purposes. If I could keep enough rudder in it
to center a yaw string my right leg was cramped before I reached downwind.
I put the factory recommended trim tab back on and it flew like a Mk III
again.
There is one other thing that will cause problems and that is not covering
the lower frame between the wings (the one under the engine). Uncovered,
the aircraft will have half the climb rate of one with the lower frame
covered. I never flew the aircraft without the lower covering and no rudder
trim tab.
Rick Girard
=9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D
Groucho Marx
<http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx>
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| Subject: | Re: Strange Flying characteristics of new to me Mark III |
clas
| From: | Russ Kinne <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
Kenw, that;s very generous of you and Im sure everyone on the List appreciates
it
Where are you scatted?
Russ K
> On Jun 14, 2017, at 3:04 PM, kenw wrote:
>
>
> I am currently building a NEW Mark III Classic... If you need any Plans or blue
print spec info, let me know.
> worthken67(at)gmail.com
>
> --------
> kenw
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470121#470121
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Strange Flying characteristics of new to me Mark III clasic |
| From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
I failed to mention the Kolbra fin offset was built that way due to the powerful
912 engine that spins in the opposite direction of a 2-stroke engine. From the
rear of the airplane, it spins in a counterclockwise direction whereas a 2-stroke
will spin in a clockwise direction. This makes a difference in how the
airplane is trimmed out. When I upgraded to the 912uls 100hp engine, I was very
happy have that offset built in as the rudder trim tab would not have been able
to hold it without using constant rudder on the pedals. Even then, the airplane
would have been flying in a constant yawed condition which I didn't like.
Ralph B
--------
Ralph B
Kolb Kolbra 912uls
N20386
550 hours
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Strange Flying characteristics of new to me Mark III |
clasic
Don't want to contradict Ralph B, but I have a little different take on the
upper vertical stabilizer leading edge offset.
I tried for a very long time to get Old Kolb Aircraft to experiment with
offsetting the leading edge of the upper vertical stabilizer on the factory
MKIII because I had an idea that this would help remedy the adverse yaw
problem. However, they never did.
At that time I was flying with a rudder trim tab half the length of what I
finally discovered solved the yaw problem.
The reason I didn't want to experiment on my MKIII was because I didn't want
to drill a bunch of holes and screw up my airplane. I had already made a
17,200 mile flight with the slip/skid ball yawed a half ball out, and got
tired of looking at it. My MKIII flew great this way, but it just wasn't
right.
I started out by offsetting the leading edge by 1/2". No observable change.
Drilled out the SS rivets and tried 1". Very slight change. Finally I got
it pushed over to 1.5" with hardly any difference. Not worth all the
effort. On the down side, doing it my way was actually twisting the tail
post and bending the leading edge tube of the upper vertical stabilizer
which eventually failed. Big job repairing this. When I did I went back to
centering the upper vertical stabilizer the way it should be.
Then I decided to experiment with the rudder trim tab. I chose to go big
and built the first one three rib bays long. Wow! That was an overkill.
Since I had attached with duct tape, I snatched it off, cut off a third (one
rib bay), stuck it back on and discovered it was perfect. Slip/skid ball
centered with my feet on the deck. ;-)
I think Mark German modified the tail post on his Kolbra after he saw mine
and talked with me. Cannot remember for sure.
There is no need to offset the upper vertical stabilizer because an adequate
rudder trim tab solves the yaw problem. A much simpler and effective
solution.
Direction of prop rotation and HP did not make much difference to the yaw
problem. I had it with 65, 80, and 100 hp on my MKIII.
John h
mkIII
Fayetteville, NC
I failed to mention the Kolbra fin offset was built that way due to the
powerful 912 engine that spins in the opposite direction of a 2-stroke
engine. From the rear of the airplane, it spins in a counterclockwise
direction whereas a 2-stroke will spin in a clockwise direction. This makes
a difference in how the airplane is trimmed out. When I upgraded to the
912uls 100hp engine, I was very happy have that offset built in as the
rudder trim tab would not have been able to hold it without using constant
rudder on the pedals. Even then, the airplane would have been flying in a
constant yawed condition which I didn't like.
Ralph B
--------
Ralph B
Kolb Kolbra 912uls
N20386
550 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Strange Flying characteristics of new to me Mark III clasic |
| From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
John,
While in flight do you have to hold any rudder at all or are your feet neutral
on the pedals with the ball centered? Just wondering ...
The reason I say this is if you have to hold any rudder, then your trim tab is
not working.
I believe Mark German did consult with you and others before offsetting the fin
like that. He didn't want to drill out extra holes in the tube, I'm sure, if
he didn't have to.
As it stands, with my 100hp 912, the only way to keep it from rolling was the offset
fin. If I didn't have that, I would probably need a very large trim tab
as you have.
Ralph B
--------
Ralph B
Kolb Kolbra 912uls
N20386
550 hours
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Strange Flying characteristics of new to me Mark III |
clasic
Yes sir, I fly can with my feet off the pedals and on the deck with centered
slip/skid ball, as I indicated in my original comment.
John h
mkIII
Fayetteville, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph B
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:21 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Strange Flying characteristics of new to me Mark III
clasic
John,
While in flight do you have to hold any rudder at all or are your feet
neutral on the pedals with the ball centered? Just wondering ...
The reason I say this is if you have to hold any rudder, then your trim tab
is not working.
I believe Mark German did consult with you and others before offsetting the
fin like that. He didn't want to drill out extra holes in the tube, I'm
sure, if he didn't have to.
As it stands, with my 100hp 912, the only way to keep it from rolling was
the offset fin. If I didn't have that, I would probably need a very large
trim tab as you have.
Ralph B
--------
Ralph B
Kolb Kolbra 912uls
N20386
550 hours
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470159#470159
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Flight to the Great Salt Lake / spiral jetty |
This morning my wife and I flew to the spiral jetty, the last time we
were there, the water was 1/4 to 1/2 mile from the jetty. 5 years of
drought. Winter snow fall was 200 to 250 percent of normal... Spring
runoff is about done and the lake is rising
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | K I <wrk2win4u(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | List Contributors |
Greetings Kolb list,
I spent the entire day yesterday with Boyd Young at Brigham city airport. I was
going to fly my plane I purchased last year. I spend my spare time during the
last year patching, repairing and replacing all of the components that needed
upgrading.
When going over the EIS, it was discovered there were gremlins in the electrical
system. I don't think I could've asked for a better person to have with me when
going over and repairing this system. I can't help but be impressed with Boyd's
knowledge and skill locating the problems and resolving issues. This includes
his knowledge of the Kolb Mark III structure and flight characteristics.
Over the years I have continually read the posted information on the Kolb list
by pilots to include Boyd Young, John Hauck, Richard Pike, Larry Cottrell and
the list goes on.
This is my third Kolb. The advice provided on the Kolb list has been invaluable
when it comes to making tweaks and fixes.
This is a THANK YOU to all those contributors on the list that make flying fun
and safer for Kolb drivers.
Thanks Boyd,
Kurt
Kolb Mark III 912 UL
Sent from my iPhone
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: List Contributors |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
You are very kind. Thank you.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
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| Subject: | Re: Strange Flying characteristics of new to me Mark III clasic |
| From: | "jonealjr" <jonealjr(at)gmail.com> |
Than you everyone for ALL the input
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| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
Friday's flight to the lakes north west arm. This arm has the most salt
concentration and it supports the growth of an algae that is purple in color
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: List Contributors |
| From: | "jonealjr" <jonealjr(at)gmail.com> |
Boyd is the real deal that is for sure. He has been helping me a ton.
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| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: List Contributors |
Absolutely agree! Boyd has been a very generous contributor to assisting myself
and others. All of the Kolb List "wise men" have provided tremendously important
and relevant information, even when I was just researching an idea, or trying
to figure out why something is done a certain way on the Kolb that seems strange
to me as a "certified airplane" guy.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 6/18/17, K I wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: List Contributors
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com"
Date: Sunday, June 18, 2017, 11:25 AM
Greetings Kolb list,
I spent the entire day yesterday with
Boyd Young at Brigham city airport. I was going to fly my
plane I purchased last year. I spend my spare time during
the last year patching, repairing and replacing all of the
components that needed upgrading.
When going over the EIS, it was
discovered there were gremlins in the electrical system. I
don't think I could've asked for a better person to have
with me when going over and repairing this system. I can't
help but be impressed with Boyd's knowledge and skill
locating the problems and resolving issues. This includes
his knowledge of the Kolb Mark III structure and flight
characteristics.
Over the years I have continually read
the posted information on the Kolb list by pilots to include
Boyd Young, John Hauck, Richard Pike, Larry Cottrell and
the list goes on.
This is my third Kolb. The advice
provided on the Kolb list has been invaluable when it comes
to making tweaks and fixes.
This is a THANK YOU to all those
contributors on the list that make flying fun and safer for
Kolb drivers.
Thanks Boyd,
Kurt
Kolb Mark III 912 UL
Sent from my iPhone
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
I took a short flight this morning before it got too hot, to check on
the water levels of the Owyhee River. I kept some of the visual
highlights for a video to share with you. One of the biggest problems
with making a video is that our range is naturally fairly short, so it
gets a bit repetitious. The other is trying to find some music that
might remotely fit the scenes and haven't been used too many times
before. I think I have used both of these songs before, but one of
them (Thank you ) reminds me of Possum, whose video's inspired me to
bore you guy's with some of my own. For some reason Possum no longer
posts to this site, and I personally consider that to be a shame. If
any of you know what happened to him, I would be anxious to hear of
it. Or if any of you know him personally and have contact with him,
give him my regards.
https://vimeo.com/222426663 password- owyheeflyer
Larry
--
The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others.
If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
address before sending.
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Good stuff. Thank you.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | spoofing?????????? |
The messages that I get back when I post to the kolb list has the
heading that the message might be a spoof. Does anyone else get this
heading with the messages I post? I am a bit confused as to how to get
it across to Gmail that I really am me:-/
Larry
--
The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others.
If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
address before sending.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | George Alexander <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: spoofing?????????? |
No spoofing messages here Larry. =C2-Normal format.
On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:47 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.
com> wrote:
The messages that I get back when I post to the kolb list has the
heading that the message might be a spoof. Does anyone else get this
heading with the messages I post? I am a bit confused as to how to get
it across to Gmail that I really am me:-/
Larry
--
The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of othe
rs.
If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
address before sending.
S -
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
Cool video,Larry! I always enjoy them. Nice quality.
George H.
Firestar, FS100
14GDH
Mesick, Michigan
gdhelton(at)gmail.com
Have a great day!
> On Jun 20, 2017, at 8:54 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
>
>
> I took a short flight this morning before it got too hot, to check on
> the water levels of the Owyhee River. I kept some of the visual
> highlights for a video to share with you. One of the biggest problems
> with making a video is that our range is naturally fairly short, so it
> gets a bit repetitious. The other is trying to find some music that
> might remotely fit the scenes and haven't been used too many times
> before. I think I have used both of these songs before, but one of
> them (Thank you ) reminds me of Possum, whose video's inspired me to
> bore you guy's with some of my own. For some reason Possum no longer
> posts to this site, and I personally consider that to be a shame. If
> any of you know what happened to him, I would be anxious to hear of
> it. Or if any of you know him personally and have contact with him,
> give him my regards.
>
> https://vimeo.com/222426663 password- owyheeflyer
>
> Larry
>
> --
> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others.
>
> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
> address before sending.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Finally got home where I can send an email. Been reading the Kolb List on
occasion, but the free WIFI I snagged here and there would not send my
email. ;-(
I like the video. Brings back a bunch of memories and makes me want to
exert the effort to fly back to the Rock House. All I have to do is figure
out how to light that fire in my gut to do another long cross country, to
take off, point the nose of Miss P'fer NW, and fly until I get there.
River looked good. Looks like there ought to be some fish ready to bite.
Good eating fish come out of the Owyhee River.
Still trying to figure out how to get to the Rock House Flyin in the
airplane, and also have time to get back out to do my annual ground trip
West. I think I can do it if we get started on or about the first of Sep.
We'll see.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
> On Jun 20, 2017, at 8:54 PM, Larry Cottrell
wrote:
>
> -->
>
> I took a short flight this morning before it got too hot, to check on
> the water levels of the Owyhee River
> https://vimeo.com/222426663 password- owyheeflyer
>
> Larry
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| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks for another great video!
--------
West1m
Hastings, MN
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| From: | "japowell" <japnmjp(at)twc.com> |
Since the list is dead and since I am slowly making progress on the project that
I purchased from Rev. Pike back in December, I thought I would post some of
the progress. I have rebuilt the wings and fuselage and now have them under paint.
I fabricated a set of 4130 gear legs and tundra tires. I am in the process
of fabricating a more comfortable seat similar to the one Richard has. I
am trying to decide which way to go on the windshield, short or full. I will
be installing hydraulic brakes and a trim system. Wings are set at 3* dyhedral
and I have a set of fairings for the struts and the gear legs.
Progress is slow but I'm having a blast. Richard gave me a lot of tips on building
this thing that has really been great. Also, I picked up a chute from Ted
in Bama and also a lot of building tips. Trying to decide on the instruments,
EIS or analog. Don't know the advantages of either except for the warning light.
Any comments or suggestion would be welcome. I have learned a ton from this list
and appreciate all the comments, good or bad. Are there any Kolbs in Ohio?
I'm in Zanesville.
Still trying to figure this picture thing out.
Jim in Ohio.
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Jim P
WAR EAGLE
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Show and tell |
My only comment would concern the wind screen. If you get too short on
the screen and do not wear a helmet. The wind will hit you somewhere
around the chin and if it is a bit cool then you will have problems
with snot getting on your glasses. The streaks tend to distort your
vision a bit. Roger Hankins met me at a place called Paisley in
Eastern Oregon. He had always flown by himself and didn't need or use
a radio, so he had always worn a Motorcycle helmet. I insisted on a
radio, so to counteract the wind effect he had to resort to breaking
the connecting line to some ear plugs and stuffing the plugs up his
nose. I thought he looked quite dashing in his little plane with two
blue strings hanging out of his nose.
The short screen will cost you on speed however. Some where in the
area of 5-7 MPH.
Just an observation
Larry
On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 5:08 PM, japowell wrote:
>
> Since the list is dead and since I am slowly making progress on the project that
I purchased from Rev. Pike back in December, I thought I would post some of
the progress. I have rebuilt the wings and fuselage and now have them under
paint. I fabricated a set of 4130 gear legs and tundra tires. I am in the process
of fabricating a more comfortable seat similar to the one Richard has.
I am trying to decide which way to go on the windshield, short or full. I will
be installing hydraulic brakes and a trim system. Wings are set at 3* dyhedral
and I have a set of fairings for the struts and the gear legs.
>
> Progress is slow but I'm having a blast. Richard gave me a lot of tips on building
this thing that has really been great. Also, I picked up a chute from Ted
in Bama and also a lot of building tips. Trying to decide on the instruments,
EIS or analog. Don't know the advantages of either except for the warning
light.
>
> Any comments or suggestion would be welcome. I have learned a ton from this list
and appreciate all the comments, good or bad. Are there any Kolbs in Ohio?
I'm in Zanesville.
>
> Still trying to figure this picture thing out.
>
> Jim in Ohio.
>
> --------
> Jim P
> WAR EAGLE
>
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| Subject: | Re: Show and tell |
| From: | "japowell" <japnmjp(at)twc.com> |
Hopefully the pic'swork. If not, sorry Richard I'm trying.
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Jim P
WAR EAGLE
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| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
Excellent what a great looking place to fly.
Thank you for sharing
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Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
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| From: | mike stone <captanstone(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Slingshot owners |
Hello again everybody, I have learned a lot from everybody here and just wo
ndered how many current slingshot owners and flyers are still here other th
an Ted C and myself ?=C2- Thanks Mike Stone=C2- SS# 012
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| From: | Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Show and tell |
There are 3 or 4 MK 3's in our club near Akron Ohio. We are the North coast lite
flyers.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 22, 2017, at 7:08 PM, japowell wrote:
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> Since the list is dead and since I am slowly making progress on the project that
I purchased from Rev. Pike back in December, I thought I would post some of
the progress. I have rebuilt the wings and fuselage and now have them under
paint. I fabricated a set of 4130 gear legs and tundra tires. I am in the process
of fabricating a more comfortable seat similar to the one Richard has.
I am trying to decide which way to go on the windshield, short or full. I will
be installing hydraulic brakes and a trim system. Wings are set at 3* dyhedral
and I have a set of fairings for the struts and the gear legs.
>
> Progress is slow but I'm having a blast. Richard gave me a lot of tips on building
this thing that has really been great. Also, I picked up a chute from Ted
in Bama and also a lot of building tips. Trying to decide on the instruments,
EIS or analog. Don't know the advantages of either except for the warning
light.
>
> Any comments or suggestion would be welcome. I have learned a ton from this list
and appreciate all the comments, good or bad. Are there any Kolbs in Ohio?
I'm in Zanesville.
>
> Still trying to figure this picture thing out.
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> Jim in Ohio.
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| From: | "jonealjr" <jonealjr(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you very much for sharing this well done vid
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| Subject: | Re: Show and tell |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Looks good!
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
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| Subject: | Re: Show and tell |
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Show and tell |
blong6826 blong6826(at)sbcglobal.net via matronics.com
9:13 AM (44 minutes ago)
to kolb-list
I would go full. Had a short and put on a full. A good 5 to 7 faster.
Better mileage. Only down side is photography.
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Try this solution. The only thing is, that I made it with the plane
sitting flat. So when it is in flying attitude, the window is a bit
tilted. Just decide whether you want the angle to be aligned when
sitting or flying.
Larry
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| From: | "jonealjr" <jonealjr(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you very much for sharing well done
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| From: | "jonealjr" <jonealjr(at)gmail.com> |
Off Airport Landing spot near Aqua Dulce, Ca
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| Subject: | Video Flight to Santa Ynez, Ca |
| From: | "jonealjr" <jonealjr(at)gmail.com> |
https://vimeo.com/222986733
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| Subject: | Re: Great Salt Lake |
| From: | "jonealjr" <jonealjr(at)gmail.com> |
Great view , my wife was just in that area a few days ago saying how beautiful
it was from the air
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| From: | mojavjoe(at)comcast.net |
Here's an interesting video for those who like to video their flights.
"Ultralight Airplane Chase Cam Test"
http://youtu.be/Sg9gl2upNBI
joe
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| From: | mojavjoe(at)comcast.net |
Sorry! I couldn't get the video to come up by clicking on the https but it came
up by going to youtube and searching for ultralight airplane chase cam test
joe
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq9gI2upNBI
This one should do it. The ultimate selfie.
I tried to find it on You tube and couldn't but I highlighted it and
clicked "search Google" and it came up.
Larry
On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 8:26 AM, wrote:
> Sorry! I couldn't get the video to come up by clicking on the https but it
> came up by going to youtube and searching for ultralight airplane chase cam
> test
>
> joe
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| From: | "wakataka" <wakataka(at)charter.net> |
At the risk of boring you all, here's a link to a couple of videos on the development
of my chase cam.
https://youtu.be/Sq9gI2upNBI
https://youtu.be/egd30HslaSY
Here's one with some detailed instructions about how I made the camera drogue:
https://youtu.be/qtj13raGESk
Apropos of the Kolb list, here's a couple of chase cam videos featuring my 1985
Kolb Firestar:
https://youtu.be/toCBMcCzrzg
https://youtu.be/IXhvF7ikoBM
I'm using a Drift Ghost S camera with a remote shutter release. It works really
well in this application. The early videos in this series were shot using a previous
version of the Drift camera, an HD720. I found the range on the HD720
remote wasn't adequate and I could never be sure whether it was turned on. The
Ghost S has a two-way remote with LED's that indicate the status of the camera.
The remote can also change the mode of the camera from video to single rapid-burst
photo. Both of those cameras have a very clever rotating lens that allows
for easily correcting for tilt of the camera. It seems to be a good choice
for chase cam use.
I'm still a rank amature at video editing so please bear with the rough transitions
and lack of a music track. I'd rather spend time flying and working on my
airplanes than learning video software.
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Desert photo flight |
http://highdesertflier.blogspot.com/
I made a flight this morning and while it wasn't anything that would
lend itself to a video there are several pictures that are worth
sharing. I also publish a blog for my friends. You are welcome to
check it for the description of this mornings flight and the pictures.
If you click on any of the pictures it brings them up to normal size.
Larry
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| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Slingshot owners |
My buddy Dave Lewis flys a sweet flying Slingshot with 582 and E gearbox.
He's not on the list but I Rep for him here.=F0=9F=98=82
Dennis Rowe
> On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:44 PM, mike stone wrote:
>
> Hello again everybody, I have learned a lot from everybody here and just w
ondered how many current slingshot owners and flyers are still here other th
an Ted C and myself ? Thanks Mike Stone SS# 012
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| From: | mike stone <captanstone(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Slingshot owners |
where does he live? I am close to Dallas
On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 8:28 AM, Dennis Rowe wrote:
My buddy Dave Lewis flys a sweet flying Slingshot with 582 and E gearbox.H
e's not on the list but I Rep for him here.=F0=9F=98=82
Dennis Rowe
On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:44 PM, mike stone wrote:
Hello again everybody, I have learned a lot from everybody here and just wo
ndered how many current slingshot owners and flyers are still here other th
an Ted C and myself ?=C2- Thanks Mike Stone=C2- SS# 012
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| From: | Ted Cowan <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/27/17 |
Ted Cowan here in Alabama 912 80 hp slingshot zoom zoom
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> From: Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Slingshot owners
>
> My buddy Dave Lewis flys a sweet flying Slingshot with 582 and E gearbox.
> He's not on the list but I Rep for him here.=F0=9F=98=82
>
> Dennis Rowe
>
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:44 PM, mike stone wrote:
>>
>> Hello again everybody, I have learned a lot from everybody here and just w
> ondered how many current slingshot owners and flyers are still here other th
> an Ted C and myself ? Thanks Mike Stone SS# 012
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
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> From: mike stone <captanstone(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Slingshot owners
>
> where does he live? I am close to Dallas
>
> On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 8:28 AM, Dennis Rowe t> wrote:
>
>
> My buddy Dave Lewis flys a sweet flying Slingshot with 582 and E gearbox.H
> e's not on the list but I Rep for him here.=F0=9F=98=82
>
> Dennis Rowe
> On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:44 PM, mike stone wrote:
>
>
> Hello again everybody, I have learned a lot from everybody here and just wo
> ndered how many current slingshot owners and flyers are still here other th
> an Ted C and myself ?=C2- Thanks Mike Stone=C2- SS# 012
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| Subject: | "Driving Lesson" |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Took my 13 year old granddaughter for a ride in the MKIII this morning. We had
been talking about her getting some flying lessons and she was pretty interested,
she asked a lot of questions about the airplane and how it worked. I did the
usual this-is-how-it-works thing, and we took off. I got her over the highway
that runs to her house and showed her the basics of how to keep a heading and
airspeed, she wasn't great, but probably typical.
After flying over her house, she was still having trouble figuring out why airspeed
was important, so we climbed up 3,000, and I showed her what an approach
to a stall was, and then a mild stall. Eyes got big...
Then I gave it back to her and we headed back to the strip, she did much better
with the headings and airspeeds.
One of my better landings, taxied back and shut everything down. She announced
with a big grin "Wow; I just had my first driving lesson and it wasn't even in
a car!"
It was a great day.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: "Driving Lesson" |
atta boy!
Larry
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 7:58 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> Took my 13 year old granddaughter for a ride in the MKIII this morning. We had
been talking about her getting some flying lessons and she was pretty interested,
she asked a lot of questions about the airplane and how it worked. I did
the usual this-is-how-it-works thing, and we took off. I got her over the highway
that runs to her house and showed her the basics of how to keep a heading
and airspeed, she wasn't great, but probably typical.
>
> After flying over her house, she was still having trouble figuring out why airspeed
was important, so we climbed up 3,000, and I showed her what an approach
to a stall was, and then a mild stall. Eyes got big...
> Then I gave it back to her and we headed back to the strip, she did much better
with the headings and airspeeds.
>
> One of my better landings, taxied back and shut everything down. She announced
with a big grin "Wow; I just had my first driving lesson and it wasn't even
in a car!"
>
> It was a great day.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470568#470568
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | "Driving Lesson" |
Good for you, Grand Pa.
Always enjoy introducing children for their first flight. They, for the
most part, always enjoy it. Maybe not at first until they find out that
everything is going to be ok. Then they lighten up and really get into
flying. After the first one it is difficult to keep them out of the
cockpit.
Had a friend's young son and daughter that were not cut out for flight.
Both talked big on the ground, but in the air they were devastated. Had to
make highly modified circuit and get them on the ground quick.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: Kolb-List: "Driving Lesson"
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Took my 13 year old granddaughter for a ride in the MKIII this morning. We
had been talking about her getting some flying lessons and she was pretty
interested, she asked a lot of questions about the airplane and how it
worked. I did the usual this-is-how-it-works thing, and we took off. I got
her over the highway that runs to her house and showed her the basics of how
to keep a heading and airspeed, she wasn't great, but probably typical.
After flying over her house, she was still having trouble figuring out why
airspeed was important, so we climbed up 3,000, and I showed her what an
approach to a stall was, and then a mild stall. Eyes got big...
Then I gave it back to her and we headed back to the strip, she did much
better with the headings and airspeeds.
One of my better landings, taxied back and shut everything down. She
announced with a big grin "Wow; I just had my first driving lesson and it
wasn't even in a car!"
It was a great day.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470568#470568
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
The afternoon of my last flight we had quite a bit of wind and a dry
Thunder storm that started a range fire. Luckily the BLM fire crew was
able to put it out before it got too far along. That is some pretty
rough country out there on the ground.
Larry
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| Subject: | Just got a Kolb ra |
| From: | "3benny3" <the3benny3(at)gmail.com> |
Hey folks, been looking around here for a bit. Glad I found the list, a little
different than the usual forums. But about the only place I can find with any
Kolb info. I picked up this Kolbra (King Kolbra?) already pretty much built by
a fellow who I believe built it to replace his hurricane damaged Mark III. Brought
it back to NC from Arkansas. But it was never registered, all the paper
work has been sent it awaiting registration then hopefully a simple inspection
followed by an airworthiness. Seems to be a fairly well built little guy, with
a 912ul. Has dual inner caliper matco mains (any one have experience on the
inner vs outer caliper matco's? And standard bearing vs taper bearings?) So far
have fixed some wiring issues, new fuel lines (seperated the tanks front and
back by selecter. (Just can't stand the idea that if one of the T'ed off tank
lines draws air it's all over.)Thanks and any other info is welcomed! ,Ben
--------
912ul King Kolbra ;fun plane
O300 Cessna 172B ;travel plane
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470640#470640
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Just got a Kolb ra |
| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
Very nice looking Kolb, looks like you will be having fun in it real soon.
--------
West1m
Hastings, MN
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470647#470647
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Slingshot owners |
North East of Pittsburgh PA=F0=9F=98=AC
Dennis Rowe
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 9:32 PM, mike stone wrote:
>
> where does he live? I am close to Dallas
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 8:28 AM, Dennis Rowe w
rote:
>
>
> My buddy Dave Lewis flys a sweet flying Slingshot with 582 and E gearbox.
> He's not on the list but I Rep for him here.=F0=9F=98=82
>
> Dennis Rowe
>
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:44 PM, mike stone wrote:
>>
>> Hello again everybody, I have learned a lot from everybody here and just w
ondered how many current slingshot owners and flyers are still here other th
an Ted C and myself ? Thanks Mike Stone SS# 012
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mike stone <captanstone(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Slingshot owners |
Hello Mike stone here with SS #012=C2- I am installing a rotax 670 on min
e (118 HP). what engine and prop do you have on your sling shot?=C2- what
s cruise speed? Fuel burn? I am trying to make a good cross country SS out
of mine.Thanks
On Sunday, July 2, 2017 8:08 PM, Dennis Rowe
wrote:
North East of Pittsburgh PA=F0=9F=98=AC
Dennis Rowe
On Jun 27, 2017, at 9:32 PM, mike stone wrote:
where does he live? I am close to Dallas
On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 8:28 AM, Dennis Rowe wrote:
My buddy Dave Lewis flys a sweet flying Slingshot with 582 and E gearbox.H
e's not on the list but I Rep for him here.=F0=9F=98=82
Dennis Rowe
On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:44 PM, mike stone wrote:
Hello again everybody, I have learned a lot from everybody here and just wo
ndered how many current slingshot owners and flyers are still here other th
an Ted C and myself ?=C2- Thanks Mike Stone=C2- SS# 012
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
https://vimeo.com/224120539 password owyheeflyer
I slipped out this morning before the heat got too bad and the wind
too high to check what I had seen from altitude last week.
Have a great "Independence Day",
Larry
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
Fun video, Larry.
Have a great day!
> On Jul 3, 2017, at 8:30 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
>
>
> https://vimeo.com/224120539 password owyheeflyer
>
> I slipped out this morning before the heat got too bad and the wind
> too high to check what I had seen from altitude last week.
>
> Have a great "Independence Day",
> Larry
>
> --
> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others.
>
> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
> address before sending.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
I clipped a few screen shots of today's flight. They are pretty small,
so they should be OK.
Larry
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| Subject: | Kolb flyers/owners map |
| From: | "3benny3" <the3benny3(at)gmail.com> |
Made one of these for a T-Bird group when I had one. If folks like/use it could
make it a sticky. Is nice to use to see who is around where and to meet the real
people local and when on trips. Is pretty simple to use, just mark a location
for your aircraft and add some info (standard format description).
https://drive.google.com/open?id=14Re-0FZLIQZBxWLt4ABuuS5Glps&usp=sharing
--------
912ul King Kolbra ;fun plane
O300 Cessna 172B ;travel plane
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470706#470706
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "3benny3" <the3benny3(at)gmail.com> |
Looks like a awfully nice place to play around! It's all mountains (beautiful but
not very friendly), trees, and small fields around here
--------
912ul King Kolbra ;fun plane
O300 Cessna 172B ;travel plane
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470707#470707
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb flyers/owners map |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
This is a great idea, but for those of us that are elderly, and computerly challenged,
could you add some info as to exactly how to do this? I clicked on the
link, got myself to Indian Springs Airport (3TN0) and then couldn't figure out
what to do next.
And meanwhile Google (which shows the airport) is better at confusing things than
making them plain, so that's no help...
So yeah, great idea, but exactly how to implement it is the problem.
Talk us through, Bro...
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470714#470714
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb flyers/owners map |
I thought we did this once upon a time. I opened it up enlarged it enough
to see where I was and clicked on the little lolypop symbol which opened a
box where I could enter my info. clicked save and gotter done.
Larry
On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 8:40 PM, Richard Pike
wrote:
>
> This is a great idea, but for those of us that are elderly, and computerly
> challenged, could you add some info as to exactly how to do this? I clicked
> on the link, got myself to Indian Springs Airport (3TN0) and then couldn't
> figure out what to do next.
> And meanwhile Google (which shows the airport) is better at confusing
> things than making them plain, so that's no help...
> So yeah, great idea, but exactly how to implement it is the problem.
>
> Talk us through, Bro...
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470714#470714
>
>
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks to all who commented about the pictures. Its rather amusing that I
got more comments concerning the pictures than I ever get for all the work
in producing a video. ? If you guy's would prefer pictures, they are a lot
less work, =F0=9F=98=8A
Larry
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others.*
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address before sending.*
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | I Love all the Videos |
Larry,
I enjoy everything you postvideo or stills. I like to superimpose myself in the
cockpit in the videos, and enjoy the flight. The still pictures give the eye
a chance to tease apart the country and how hostel it is.would not want to have
to walk back to the homestead through most of those places!
Keep them coming!
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
607AK ..90% done.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Daniel Bindl <bindldaniel5(at)gmail.com> |
Good Morning Larry, Thanks for all the great video, and picture, 'sharing'.
I have been experimenting with this stuff for the last half century, and
your work, with this 'modern' equipment, makes you my recording guru!!!
Keep up the good work (sharing).
My first home built experiences were the Kolb UltraStar #306 & #307 in
1985, in southern Wisconsin. I am currently in Florida. Your wide open
spaces, of the west, are worshiped by many of us, keep the videos and
pictures, and, how you harvest those videos and pictures, coming, to those
of us not so privileged, to live in your environment.
On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 11:31 PM, Larry Cottrell
wrote:
> Thanks to all who commented about the pictures. Its rather amusing that I
> got more comments concerning the pictures than I ever get for all the wor
k
> in producing a video. ? If you guy's would prefer pictures, they are a lo
t
> less work, =F0=9F=98=8A
> Larry
>
> --
> *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of
> others.*
>
> *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
> address before sending.*
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
I appreciate them both Larry. You do great job on your video productions. I w
ish I could do something just close to the quality of yours.
George H.
Firestar FS100
14GDH
Mesick, Mi
gdhelton(at)gmail.com
Have a great day!
> On Jul 5, 2017, at 11:31 PM, Larry Cottrell wrot
e:
>
> Thanks to all who commented about the pictures. Its rather amusing that I g
ot more comments concerning the pictures than I ever get for all the work in
producing a video. ? If you guy's would prefer pictures, they are a lot les
s work, =F0=9F=98=8A
> Larry
>
> --
> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of oth
ers.
>
> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email addre
ss before sending.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
lcottrell wrote:
>
>
> .S . N . I . P .
> If you guy's would prefer pictures, they are a lot less work,Larry
> .S . N . I . P .
>
Larry, if you are looking for votes, put me down for the videos.
Like someone else had said, it's nice to go along for the ride. Your narratives
make them even better.
Hopefully most of the viewers appreciate the work you put into them.
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470721#470721
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Wayne Schneider <jwaynes(at)gmail.com> |
I find the video inspiring. Today, I was thinking how much work that must
be to put together. It is appreciated.
From: Larry Cottrell
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 9:33 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Pictures
Thanks to all who commented about the pictures. Its rather amusing that I g
ot more comments concerning the pictures than I ever get for all the work i
n producing a video. ? If you guy's would prefer pictures, they are a lot l
ess work,=C2-=F0=9F=98=8A
Larry
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rs.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
I agree with Wayne S. Putting video together is a lot work and time.
Time Larry C could be doing chores and honey do's. ;-)
I enjoy them because that part of the world is completely opposite of my
little piece of dirt. I like the West so much I have been going there
every year since 2003, sometimes twice a year. I missed the Kolb
Unplanned/Unorganized Flyin Monument Valley, UT, in 2010, but made it to
the Rock House 3 months after I had a nasty accident on my mountain
bike. I still like my home base at hauck's holler, Alabama, but
thoroughly enjoy exploring the West. Not the populated areas, but the
remote back country.
Still tossing around what to do this year for the Rock House Kolb Flyin.
Fly or pull the 5th wheel??? Want to do both, but the timing just
ain't right.
I drug Miss P'fer, my 1992 Kolb MKIII, out of the hanger a couple days
ago. First time in 3 months. She was nice and clean the first of
April, with brand new John Gilpin STOL Speed Vortex Generators
installed. She flew great despite the load of barn dust, bug and bird
crap. I got an hour flight time. Shot a bunch of landings at my short
strip and at the longer grass strip at Wetumpka Airport, 08A, 11.2 miles
away. I enjoy flying with the VGs, after all these years. They make an
old rusty pilot look halfway decent on his landings despite my efforts
to screw them up. I need to fly more to get back in the groove and
really learn about the STOL Speed VGs.
Keep the photos and vids coming Larry C. I enjoy them. They bring back
memories of the last 12 years me and my buddies have been flying in your
neck of the woods. After flying out of Gantt International Airport for
the last 33 years, looking at the top of pine trees and flat ground gets
boring. Not at the Rock House though. There's always somewhere to go
to see something new and exciting. The big plus is getting together
with old Kolb friends that met because of Homer Kolb's little airplanes.
Had it not been for Homer, I would have missed out on a big part of the
long, exciting life I have enjoyed since retiring in 1980, and my good
friends from all over the world.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Schneider
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 7:51 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Pictures
I find the video inspiring. Today, I was thinking how much work that
must be to put together. It is appreciated.
From: Larry Cottrell <mailto:lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 9:33 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Pictures
Thanks to all who commented about the pictures. Its rather amusing that
I got more comments concerning the pictures than I ever get for all the
work in producing a video. ? If you guy's would prefer pictures, they
are a lot less work, =F0=9F=98=8A
Larry
--
The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of
others.
If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
address before sending.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I Love all the Videos |
Obviously I enjoy making the videos, It allows me to enjoy them again as
well as makes it easier when telling someone about some part of this
country. There is no doubt that I am blessed with a great area to fly, and
having a Kolb just makes it all that much better. It gives me great
pleasure to share my good fortune with all of you.
As for having to "walk back", I will take High Desert over muskeg any day.
Larry
On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 1:31 AM, Nick Cassara wrote:
>
> Larry,
>
> I enjoy everything you postvideo or stills. I like to superimpos
e myself
> in the cockpit in the videos, and enjoy the flight. The still pictures
> give the eye a chance to tease apart the country and how hostel it
> is.would not want to have to walk back to the homestead through
most of
> those places!
>
> Keep them coming!
>
> Nick Cassara
> Palmer, Alaska
>
> 607AK ..90% done.
>
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>
>
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| From: | Billy Bob Thornton <woodman1957(at)yahoo.com> |
Larry, Please NO!!! I would hope that you never stop your video's.. I know
that editing video is much more difficult that uploading pictures but your
are one flyer that I keep going back to over and over to watch your video's
you just have a way with your commentary and your flying they just go toge
ther.. and your voice is soothing to listen to... Even my wife likes your v
ideos...I hope you continue your flights and videos as long as you want to.
.. safe flying... I fly A PPC but have always been intrigued by the Kolb Fi
restar II... almost bought one but seemed to be to small for my lard butt..
:)
anotherLarry
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com"
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 10:34 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Pictures
Thanks to all who commented about the pictures. Its rather amusing that I g
ot more comments concerning the pictures than I ever get for all the work i
n producing a video. ? If you guy's would prefer pictures, they are a lot l
ess work,=C2-=F0=9F=98=8ALarry
--
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rs.
If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email addres
s before sending.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Small Kolb gathering, Michigan |
I thought I'd post a few pictures from our fly-in breakfast to the Evart Air
port in central lower Michigan. It's pretty tough getting Kolb flyers to get
together up here. Rick Nielsen, Gregg Kaat and I made this, kind of spur of
the moment flight for a Mickey "D's" breakfast in Evart. Rick flew some 65 m
iles, MKIII VW, Gregg, 45+ Firefly 447 and I about 30 each way in my Firesta
r (original)377. We managed to catch one of those rare beautiful, windless d
ays. A little ground fog early.
I'm posting these pictures fairly small as not get trouble with our webmaste
r.
I'm the guy with the camera. So no mugshot.
George H.
Firestar , FS100
14GDH
Mesick, Michigan
Have a great day!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Lanny Lambdin <lambdinwilliam(at)gmail.com> |
Greetings, All,
My name is Lanny, and I have been on this list for a few months now, learnin
g
more about the Kolb airplanes. I presently fly a Challenger II CWS I built,
and a
single place Loehle Sport Parasol. I built the two place Challenger mostly s
o my
wife and I could enjoy flying together, but she is so uncomfortable in the b
ack seat
(And I don't have any experience flying from the back), so I started looking
at Kolb
Mark threes. We plan to attend Sun N Fun next April so we can try on the Ko
lb, get
a demo ride perhaps and make a decision about selling the Challenger and get
ting
a Kolb.
That being said, I have enjoyed the pics and videos, Larry's especially, as I
am in the
mountains of Virginia, and that terrain out West is so different. I enjoy c
reating
videos from my flight footage, especially when the flight is with a friend a
nd
particularly a grandchild! Below is a link to one of my YouTube videos in w
hich
my grandson, Chase, who was 8 at the time, got his first flight in Miss Suns
hine
my Challenger. If you are interested, I have a number of videos posted on m
y
YouTube site, just search on YouTube for Miss Sunshine, or PaPaLan publicati
ons to
find more.
Hope you enjoy,
Safe flights all,
Lanny. https://youtu.be/yDByWwjpZM0
Sent from my iPad
> On Jul 6, 2017, at 10:53 AM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> I agree with Wayne S. Putting video together is a lot work and time. Tim
e Larry C could be doing chores and honey do's. ;-)
>
> I enjoy them because that part of the world is completely opposite of my l
ittle piece of dirt. I like the West so much I have been going there every y
ear since 2003, sometimes twice a year. I missed the Kolb Unplanned/Unorgan
ized Flyin Monument Valley, UT, in 2010, but made it to the Rock House 3 mon
ths after I had a nasty accident on my mountain bike. I still like my home b
ase at hauck's holler, Alabama, but thoroughly enjoy exploring the West. No
t the populated areas, but the remote back country.
>
> Still tossing around what to do this year for the Rock House Kolb Flyin.
Fly or pull the 5th wheel??? Want to do both, but the timing just ain't rig
ht.
>
> I drug Miss P'fer, my 1992 Kolb MKIII, out of the hanger a couple days ago
. First time in 3 months. She was nice and clean the first of April, with b
rand new John Gilpin STOL Speed Vortex Generators installed. She flew great
despite the load of barn dust, bug and bird crap. I got an hour flight tim
e. Shot a bunch of landings at my short strip and at the longer grass strip
at Wetumpka Airport, 08A, 11.2 miles away. I enjoy flying with the VGs, af
ter all these years. They make an old rusty pilot look halfway decent on hi
s landings despite my efforts to screw them up. I need to fly more to get b
ack in the groove and really learn about the STOL Speed VGs.
>
> Keep the photos and vids coming Larry C. I enjoy them. They bring back m
emories of the last 12 years me and my buddies have been flying in your neck
of the woods. After flying out of Gantt International Airport for the last
33 years, looking at the top of pine trees and flat ground gets boring. No
t at the Rock House though. There's always somewhere to go to see something
new and exciting. The big plus is getting together with old Kolb friends t
hat met because of Homer Kolb's little airplanes. Had it not been for Homer
, I would have missed out on a big part of the long, exciting life I have en
joyed since retiring in 1980, and my good friends from all over the world.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
>
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Schneider
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 7:51 AM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Pictures
>
> I find the video inspiring. Today, I was thinking how much work that must
be to put together. It is appreciated.
>
> From: Larry Cottrell
> Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 9:33 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Pictures
>
> Thanks to all who commented about the pictures. Its rather amusing that I g
ot more comments concerning the pictures than I ever get for all the work in
producing a video. ? If you guy's would prefer pictures, they are a lot les
s work, =F0=9F=98=8A
> Larry
>
> --
> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of oth
ers.
>
> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email addre
ss before sending.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tony &Heather Oldman <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: I Love all the Videos |
Please keep the vidios coming. They offer a rare insite into the places you
fly as well as your entertaining naratives . In my part of the world,, we
do not have so much of the open spaces you have.
Tony
South Island
New Zealand
> On 07 July 2017 at 03:10 Larry Cottrell wrote:
>
> Obviously I enjoy making the videos, It allows me to enjoy them again
as well as makes it easier when telling someone about some part of this co
untry. There is no doubt that I am blessed with a great area to fly, and ha
ving a Kolb just makes it all that much better. It gives me great pleasure
to share my good fortune with all of you.
>
> As for having to "walk back", I will take High Desert over muskeg any
day.
>
> Larry
>
> On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 1:31 AM, Nick Cassara wrote:
>
mailto:nickc(at)mtaonline.net >
Larry,
I enjoy everything you postvideo or stills. I like to superimpose
myself in the cockpit in the videos, and enjoy the flight. The still pictu
res give the eye a chance to tease apart the country and how hostel it is
.would not want to have to walk back to the homestead through most
of those places!
Keep them coming!
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
607AK ..90% done.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Lanny L/Kolbers:
Might be a good idea to check with the Kolb Aircraft Co before going to
Sun and Fun to get a ride in a Kolb MKIII.
Give Bryan Melborn a call to insure they will have a MKIII at Lakeland.
Not far from Virginia to London, KY. Might be a good idea to visit the
Kolb Factory sooner.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lanny Lambdin
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 6:12 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pictures
Greetings, All,
My name is Lanny, and I have been on this list for a few months now,
learning
more about the Kolb airplanes. I presently fly a Challenger II CWS I
built, and a
single place Loehle Sport Parasol. I built the two place Challenger
mostly so my
wife and I could enjoy flying together, but she is so uncomfortable in
the back seat
(And I don't have any experience flying from the back), so I started
looking at Kolb
Mark threes. We plan to attend Sun N Fun next April so we can try on
the Kolb, get
a demo ride perhaps and make a decision about selling the Challenger and
getting
a Kolb.
That being said, I have enjoyed the pics and videos, Larry's especially,
as I am in the
mountains of Virginia, and that terrain out West is so different. I
enjoy creating
videos from my flight footage, especially when the flight is with a
friend and
particularly a grandchild! Below is a link to one of my YouTube videos
in which
my grandson, Chase, who was 8 at the time, got his first flight in Miss
Sunshine
my Challenger. If you are interested, I have a number of videos posted
on my
YouTube site, just search on YouTube for Miss Sunshine, or PaPaLan
publications to
find more.
Hope you enjoy,
Safe flights all,
Lanny. https://youtu.be/yDByWwjpZM0
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 6, 2017, at 10:53 AM, John Hauck wrote:
I agree with Wayne S. Putting video together is a lot work and time.
Time Larry C could be doing chores and honey do's. ;-)
I enjoy them because that part of the world is completely opposite of my
little piece of dirt. I like the West so much I have been going there
every year since 2003, sometimes twice a year. I missed the Kolb
Unplanned/Unorganized Flyin Monument Valley, UT, in 2010, but made it to
the Rock House 3 months after I had a nasty accident on my mountain
bike. I still like my home base at hauck's holler, Alabama, but
thoroughly enjoy exploring the West. Not the populated areas, but the
remote back country.
Still tossing around what to do this year for the Rock House Kolb Flyin.
Fly or pull the 5th wheel??? Want to do both, but the timing just
ain't right.
I drug Miss P'fer, my 1992 Kolb MKIII, out of the hanger a couple days
ago. First time in 3 months. She was nice and clean the first of
April, with brand new John Gilpin STOL Speed Vortex Generators
installed. She flew great despite the load of barn dust, bug and bird
crap. I got an hour flight time. Shot a bunch of landings at my short
strip and at the longer grass strip at Wetumpka Airport, 08A, 11.2 miles
away. I enjoy flying with the VGs, after all these years. They make an
old rusty pilot look halfway decent on his landings despite my efforts
to screw them up. I need to fly more to get back in the groove and
really learn about the STOL Speed VGs.
Keep the photos and vids coming Larry C. I enjoy them. They bring back
memories of the last 12 years me and my buddies have been flying in your
neck of the woods. After flying out of Gantt International Airport for
the last 33 years, looking at the top of pine trees and flat ground gets
boring. Not at the Rock House though. There's always somewhere to go
to see something new and exciting. The big plus is getting together
with old Kolb friends that met because of Homer Kolb's little airplanes.
Had it not been for Homer, I would have missed out on a big part of the
long, exciting life I have enjoyed since retiring in 1980, and my good
friends from all over the world.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Schneider
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 7:51 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Pictures
I find the video inspiring. Today, I was thinking how much work that
must be to put together. It is appreciated.
From: Larry Cottrell <mailto:lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 9:33 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Pictures
Thanks to all who commented about the pictures. Its rather amusing that
I got more comments concerning the pictures than I ever get for all the
work in producing a video. ? If you guy's would prefer pictures, they
are a lot less work, =F0=9F=98=8A
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: I Love all the Videos |
| From: | "KelleyT" <toadkelly2000(at)yahoo.com> |
Larry,
You are blessed to live in beautiful country. I always check to see if you have
posted any new pictures or videos and I really like the way you present them.
Thank you very much for all of your efforts.
I grew up in a high desert, desolate area and now live in the big city with a million
other idiots. I hope to pick up a Kolb and trailer that I can transport
back to where I grew up and spend time there seeing all of the beauty before
it is too late for me.
Again, thanks for the wonderful videos and pictures.
TK
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | fuel tank residue ID? Pull-start wimp? |
Anyone have an idea on the brown goo in this long-unused Twinstar tank?
It's about the color and consistency of old-school Permatex gasket sealant,
and just about as sticky. A bit of E-free mogas is marinating it now, and
it seems to be softening.
Old 2stroke oil? Actual mogas residue?
Also, need some perspective on a pull start Rotax 503, for someone who's
prior 2stroke experience is Lawn Boy & weed eaters. Am I just so over the
hill that I can't pull it through more than one compression stroke? With
plugs out, it seems to spin ok, but it certainly doesn't free-wheel. It has
the gearbox mounted, but no prop.
Thanks,
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb flyers/owners map |
| From: | "wakataka" <wakataka(at)charter.net> |
I put a pin on this map yesterday in Corning California and it's disappeared today.
Anybody know what's causing that? Is it possible for anyone who logs in to
just delete pins off the map?
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank residue ID? Pull-start wimp? |
| From: | "wakataka" <wakataka(at)charter.net> |
That junk looks a lot like what you might see in the bottom of a float bowl that's
been sitting for a few years. I'd toss that tank and get a new one. Just as
old gas turns to varnish, old plastic gets brittle and even though you might
be able to clean that tank out, it's likely a lot more prone to cracking than
a fuel tank should be.
You can definitely get workout with pull start 503, and with no prop mounted there's
less 'flywheel' effect so each compression stroke is more noticeable on
the pull rope, but it should still be possible to spin the engine through several
compression strokes with a good strong pull. Do you have the right amount
of rope on the pulley? Are you able to pull it straight out of starter or do
you have to pull it at an angle so the rope rubs on the ferrule? If the rope
is rubbing on the ferrule it can bind and make it a lot harder to pull.
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conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank residue ID? Pull-start wimp? |
| From: | "wakataka" <wakataka(at)charter.net> |
That junk looks a lot like what you might see in the bottom of a float bowl that's
been sitting for a few years. I'd toss that tank and get a new one. Just as
old gas turns to varnish, old plastic gets brittle and even though you might
be able to clean that tank out, it's likely a lot more prone to cracking than
a fuel tank should be.
You can definitely get workout with pull start 503, and with no prop mounted there's
less 'flywheel' effect so each compression stroke is more noticeable on
the pull rope, but it should still be possible to spin the engine through several
compression strokes with a good strong pull. Do you have the right amount
of rope on the pulley? Are you able to pull it straight out of starter or do
you have to pull it at an angle so the rope rubs on the ferrule? If the rope
is rubbing on the ferrule it can bind and make it a lot harder to pull.
--------
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conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | fuel tank residue ID? Pull-start wimp? |
Put a prop on it. The small flywheel doesn't have enough inertia to
overcome the compression.
The nasty stuff in the tank is old gas and oil.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie
England
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 3:05 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: fuel tank residue ID? Pull-start wimp?
Anyone have an idea on the brown goo in this long-unused Twinstar tank?
It's about the color and consistency of old-school Permatex gasket
sealant, and just about as sticky. A bit of E-free mogas is marinating
it now, and it seems to be softening.
Old 2stroke oil? Actual mogas residue?
Also, need some perspective on a pull start Rotax 503, for someone who's
prior 2stroke experience is Lawn Boy & weed eaters. Am I just so over
the hill that I can't pull it through more than one compression stroke?
With plugs out, it seems to spin ok, but it certainly doesn't
free-wheel. It has the gearbox mounted, but no prop.
Thanks,
Charlie
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| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb flyers/owners map |
Well, there was no visible way for me to put a pin in this map. Whoever designed
this mapping system is missing a chromosome for common sense.
The only thing that looked like a lollipop did not open up anything that said "put
a pin on the map", so I am stumped.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Fri, 7/7/17, wakataka wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb flyers/owners map
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Friday, July 7, 2017, 1:47 PM
"wakataka"
I put a pin on this map yesterday in
Corning California and it's disappeared today. Anybody know
what's causing that? Is it possible for anyone who logs in
to just delete pins off the map?
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science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out
of such a trifling investment of fact.
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb flyers/owners map |
Maybe it looks like a balloon??? Perhaps I was hungry at the time. :-/
Its just to the left of the hand.
Larry
On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Bill Berle
wrote:
>
> Well, there was no visible way for me to put a pin in this map. Whoever
> designed this mapping system is missing a chromosome for common sense.
>
> The only thing that looked like a lollipop did not open up anything that
> said "put a pin on the map", so I am stumped.
>
> Bill Berle
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> for-profit entities
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 7/7/17, wakataka wrote:
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb flyers/owners map
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Friday, July 7, 2017, 1:47 PM
>
> "wakataka"
>
> I put a pin on this map yesterday in
> Corning California and it's disappeared today. Anybody know
> what's causing that? Is it possible for anyone who logs in
> to just delete pins off the map?
>
> --------
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> science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out
> of such a trifling investment of fact.
>
> Mark Twain
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb flyers/owners map |
All I get is a blank page.
Do I have to join something, or what to get this thing to open?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Cottrell
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb flyers/owners map
Maybe it looks like a balloon??? Perhaps I was hungry at the time. :-/
Its just to the left of the hand.
Larry
On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Bill Berle
wrote:
Well, there was no visible way for me to put a pin in this map. Whoever
designed this mapping system is missing a chromosome for common sense.
The only thing that looked like a lollipop did not open up anything that
said "put a pin on the map", so I am stumped.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and
for-profit entities
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On Fri, 7/7/17, wakataka wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb flyers/owners map
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Friday, July 7, 2017, 1:47 PM
"wakataka"
I put a pin on this map yesterday in
Corning California and it's disappeared today. Anybody know
what's causing that? Is it possible for anyone who logs in
to just delete pins off the map?
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: fuel tank residue ID? Pull-start wimp? |
You sure got good info. from that post. Throw the tank away. It not worth tr
ying to save it. That's a nasty looking tank.
I had a 503 on my Twinstar MKII. They're a bear to pull start. I personally u
sed to prop start mine. Full choke, throttle at idle. Make sure both wheels
are chocked. Let me stress that' " throttle idle". I still prefer to prop s
tart my little 377. Just my thing. If it's been awhile since it was last run
adjust idle screw out until the carb slide is completely seated at the butt
on then lift the slide up by the throttle cable. Adjust the idle screw in tw
o complete turns. You might check the plunger seat on the choke. They tend t
o deteriorate if they sit to o many years closed. I speak from past experien
ce.
Have a great day!
> On Jul 7, 2017, at 5:06 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Put a prop on it. The small flywheel doesn't have enough inertia to overc
ome the compression.
>
> The nasty stuff in the tank is old gas and oil.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England
> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 3:05 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: fuel tank residue ID? Pull-start wimp?
>
> Anyone have an idea on the brown goo in this long-unused Twinstar tank? It
's about the color and consistency of old-school Permatex gasket sealant, an
d just about as sticky. A bit of E-free mogas is marinating it now, and it s
eems to be softening.
>
> Old 2stroke oil? Actual mogas residue?
>
> Also, need some perspective on a pull start Rotax 503, for someone who's p
rior 2stroke experience is Lawn Boy & weed eaters. Am I just so over the hil
l that I can't pull it through more than one compression stroke? With plugs o
ut, it seems to spin ok, but it certainly doesn't free-wheel. It has the gea
rbox mounted, but no prop.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: fuel tank residue ID? Pull-start wimp? |
On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 4:03 PM, wakataka wrote:
>
> That junk looks a lot like what you might see in the bottom of a float
> bowl that's been sitting for a few years. I'd toss that tank and get a new
> one. Just as old gas turns to varnish, old plastic gets brittle and even
> though you might be able to clean that tank out, it's likely a lot more
> prone to cracking than a fuel tank should be.
>
> You can definitely get workout with pull start 503, and with no prop
> mounted there's less 'flywheel' effect so each compression stroke is more
> noticeable on the pull rope, but it should still be possible to spin the
> engine through several compression strokes with a good strong pull. Do you
> have the right amount of rope on the pulley? Are you able to pull it
> straight out of starter or do you have to pull it at an angle so the rope
> rubs on the ferrule? If the rope is rubbing on the ferrule it can bind and
> make it a lot harder to pull.
>
> --------
> There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale
> returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
>
> Mark Twain
>
> Thank you to John and wakataka.
Never thought about the prop as flywheel, when it's on the other end of a
reduction drive. I'll get 'er on. The rope goes down & slightly aft to a
flex-mounted pulley mounted on the a/c frame, then horizontal through the
'eye' that's welded to the forward frame member, above the pilot's head.
There seems to be plenty of rope in the recoil mechanism; I can pull slowly
& get 7 or 8 compression strokes before the rope handle is out in front of
the rudder pedals. Obviously no way to pull that far in a single pull; just
shows there's plenty of rope.
Anyone know if the starter/ring gear from a Ski-Doo/Moto-Ski, etc will fit
the a/c version of a 503? There are a couple on ebay now at a bit less than
oxy-sucking prices.
Charlie
I'll definitely check the tank for cracking tendencies. It's been sitting
for years, but has been inside.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb flyers/owners map |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Once I logged in to Google, then it made sense. If you don't have a Google account,
then I guess you are out of luck.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb flyers/owners map |
| From: | "3benny3" <the3benny3(at)gmail.com> |
I have a google account so can't really tell what you see if you don't. But once
you click link you should see a google satellite view map with locations tagged
and a list there of on the left.
*To add a location; use the search bar at the top to find your location or general
area; then click on the upside down tear drop that is under the search bar,
your pointer should turn to a cross when over the map now; click the location
you wish to mark; a box should pop up to which you can add your info and picture
if you want.
In order to allow any one to "edit" the map (add locations/info) I have to leave
it open for anyone with the link to view and edit the map. Therefore anyone
can add, edit, and delete markers... If a blank marker has been made with no
info in the box I usually delete them to keep things neat and clean as sometimes
folks make lots of meaningless markers while trying to figure things out.
--------
912ul King Kolbra ;fun plane
O300 Cessna 172B ;travel plane
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| From: | Lanny Lambdin <lambdinwilliam(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks, John. I have talked with Travis several times when they were instal
ling
a MZ202 for a customer. We shared info as I initially installed one on my C
hallenger.
It didn't work out for me-that's a long story-but hope it suited the custome
rs' needs.
I'll give them a call and see what we can work out.
Take care,
Lanny
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> On Jul 7, 2017, at 9:36 AM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Lanny L/Kolbers:
>
> Might be a good idea to check with the Kolb Aircraft Co before going to Su
n and Fun to get a ride in a Kolb MKIII.
>
> Give Bryan Melborn a call to insure they will have a MKIII at Lakeland.
>
> Not far from Virginia to London, KY. Might be a good idea to visit the Ko
lb Factory sooner.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
>
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lanny Lambdin
> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 6:12 AM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pictures
>
> Greetings, All,
>
> My name is Lanny, and I have been on this list for a few months now, learn
ing
>
> more about the Kolb airplanes. I presently fly a Challenger II CWS I buil
t, and a
>
> single place Loehle Sport Parasol. I built the two place Challenger mostl
y so my
>
> wife and I could enjoy flying together, but she is so uncomfortable in the
back seat
>
> (And I don't have any experience flying from the back), so I started looki
ng at Kolb
>
> Mark threes. We plan to attend Sun N Fun next April so we can try on the K
olb, get
>
> a demo ride perhaps and make a decision about selling the Challenger and g
etting
>
> a Kolb.
>
> That being said, I have enjoyed the pics and videos, Larry's especially, a
s I am in the
>
> mountains of Virginia, and that terrain out West is so different. I enjoy
creating
>
> videos from my flight footage, especially when the flight is with a friend
and
>
> particularly a grandchild! Below is a link to one of my YouTube videos in
which
>
> my grandson, Chase, who was 8 at the time, got his first flight in Miss Su
nshine
>
> my Challenger. If you are interested, I have a number of videos posted on
my
>
> YouTube site, just search on YouTube for Miss Sunshine, or PaPaLan publica
tions to
>
> find more.
>
> Hope you enjoy,
>
> Safe flights all,
>
> Lanny. https://youtu.be/yDByWwjpZM0
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 6, 2017, at 10:53 AM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> I agree with Wayne S. Putting video together is a lot work and time. Tim
e Larry C could be doing chores and honey do's. ;-)
>
> I enjoy them because that part of the world is completely opposite of my l
ittle piece of dirt. I like the West so much I have been going there every y
ear since 2003, sometimes twice a year. I missed the Kolb Unplanned/Unorgan
ized Flyin Monument Valley, UT, in 2010, but made it to the Rock House 3 mon
ths after I had a nasty accident on my mountain bike. I still like my home b
ase at hauck's holler, Alabama, but thoroughly enjoy exploring the West. No
t the populated areas, but the remote back country.
>
> Still tossing around what to do this year for the Rock House Kolb Flyin.
Fly or pull the 5th wheel??? Want to do both, but the timing just ain't rig
ht.
>
> I drug Miss P'fer, my 1992 Kolb MKIII, out of the hanger a couple days ago
. First time in 3 months. She was nice and clean the first of April, with b
rand new John Gilpin STOL Speed Vortex Generators installed. She flew great
despite the load of barn dust, bug and bird crap. I got an hour flight tim
e. Shot a bunch of landings at my short strip and at the longer grass strip
at Wetumpka Airport, 08A, 11.2 miles away. I enjoy flying with the VGs, af
ter all these years. They make an old rusty pilot look halfway decent on hi
s landings despite my efforts to screw them up. I need to fly more to get b
ack in the groove and really learn about the STOL Speed VGs.
>
> Keep the photos and vids coming Larry C. I enjoy them. They bring back m
emories of the last 12 years me and my buddies have been flying in your neck
of the woods. After flying out of Gantt International Airport for the last
33 years, looking at the top of pine trees and flat ground gets boring. No
t at the Rock House though. There's always somewhere to go to see something
new and exciting. The big plus is getting together with old Kolb friends t
hat met because of Homer Kolb's little airplanes. Had it not been for Homer
, I would have missed out on a big part of the long, exciting life I have en
joyed since retiring in 1980, and my good friends from all over the world.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
>
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Schneider
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 7:51 AM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Pictures
>
> I find the video inspiring. Today, I was thinking how much work that must
be to put together. It is appreciated.
>
> From: Larry Cottrell
> Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 9:33 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Pictures
>
> Thanks to all who commented about the pictures. Its rather amusing that I g
ot more comments concerning the pictures than I ever get for all the work in
producing a video. ? If you guy's would prefer pictures, they are a lot les
s work, =F0=9F=98=8A
> Larry
>
> --
> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of oth
ers.
>
> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email addre
ss before sending.
>
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Lanny; where in Virginia are you at? I'm in Kingsport Tn, maybe I can be of some
help.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470785#470785
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| From: | Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 07/07/17 |
Greetings Kolbers. I have enjoyed the info and encouragement for many years.
I have come to the conclusions I will not finish my KolbMarkIII Extra project.
I have decided to offer this project a final time.
It has appeared on the barnstormers list a couple of times but I have not wanted
to give it away since I have spent over $20K to buy the kits, build them (poli-stits
up through color coat done on all surfaces) and then buy the zero time
VW 2180 with dual ignition and re-drive, built by Great Plains AViation Supply.
If anyone is seriously interested in buying a project that has 95% of all
that is needed to complete the building process you can contact me by using my
email address, Bgreen(at)bimi.org.
Thank you.
Bob
Kolb Mark III Extra, N830PB project.
Sent from my iPad
> On Jul 8, 2017, at 3:13 AM, Kolb-List Digest Server
wrote:
>
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| From: | Lanny Lambdin <lambdinwilliam(at)gmail.com> |
Hey, Richard,
Thanks for the info/offer! I just googled directions and it would be a 4hr
(239 mile) trip for us, as we are in Amherst, Va, about 1/2hr north of Lynchburg.
Not bad at all, with the majority of the trip on I 81.
Betty, my wife, and I are retired and have really over-scheduled our summer
and early fall, so maybe we could arrange something toward the end of Sept.
When you get time, I would appreciate info/pics/ videos of your Kolb and the
flying you do. You can access videos of me and my planes on my YouTube site:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyassx3BGAUc-weOBtcMwtQ
Thanks again for the offer, and we shall communicate more soon,
Lanny
Sent from my iPad
> On Jul 8, 2017, at 7:41 AM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
>
> Lanny; where in Virginia are you at? I'm in Kingsport Tn, maybe I can be of some
help.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470785#470785
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
Its really been hot and today was supposed to get up to 103 or more. I
still wanted to fly for a while, but need to get it done before the heat
got up too high. I choose the Alvord because I would have a tailwind coming
back. I liked the scenery from the last flight, so I again climbed up to
6000 for the view. The second picture has the only wildlife that I saw on
the whole trip. Its hard to see since I am 1000 feet agl, but there is a
line of "mustangs" just in front of the plane shadow. The rest is just
scenery. Even though there is 11 pictures, none are bigger than 400 k's
I flew for 1.5 hours, burning 4 gallons of fuel. Most of the way I used the
HACman system to lean the fuel, but when I turned towards home, The air
temps at 6500 feet was 77 at 11 AM. I saw that my cht's was running at 320
degrees. I still had 15 degrees to go, but I richened the fuel just to see
how much the temps came down and they dropped 16 degrees when running
normal without leaning. It was heating up rapidly, and I had no inclination
to dodge Dust Devils, so I turned for home.
Larry
--
*The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of
others.*
*If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
address before sending.*
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| From: | Denny Baber <baberdk(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: fuel tank residue ID? Pull-start wimp? |
If you pull a rotax with the plugs out, make sure you have the ignition
primaries grounded. I cranked mine over with the starter and the plugs out,
and in that position, the ignition is in the run position. It shorted my
coils and they were $700.
Respectfully,
Dennis Baber
baberdk(at)gmail.com
Stay Curious
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: fuel tank residue ID? Pull-start wimp? |
Ouch. I haven't tried to really spin it hard with the rope (not sure I
could), and now I know not to try. Thanks for the heads-up.
Charlie
On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Denny Baber wrote:
>
> If you pull a rotax with the plugs out, make sure you have the ignition
> primaries grounded. I cranked mine over with the starter and the plugs out,
> and in that position, the ignition is in the run position. It shorted my
> coils and they were $700.
>
> Respectfully,
> Dennis Baber
> baberdk(at)gmail.com
>
> Stay Curious
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: flight pictures |
| From: | Lanny Lambdin <lambdinwilliam(at)gmail.com> |
Larry, that is some rough, but beautiful terrain there. Thanks for sharing
.
Lanny
Sent from my iPad
> On Jul 8, 2017, at 3:40 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote
:
>
> Its really been hot and today was supposed to get up to 103 or more. I sti
ll wanted to fly for a while, but need to get it done before the heat got up
too high. I choose the Alvord because I would have a tailwind coming back. I
liked the scenery from the last flight, so I again climbed up to 6000 for t
he view. The second picture has the only wildlife that I saw on the whole tr
ip. Its hard to see since I am 1000 feet agl, but there is a line of "mustan
gs" just in front of the plane shadow. The rest is just scenery. Even though
there is 11 pictures, none are bigger than 400 k's
>
> I flew for 1.5 hours, burning 4 gallons of fuel. Most of the way I used th
e HACman system to lean the fuel, but when I turned towards home, The air te
mps at 6500 feet was 77 at 11 AM. I saw that my cht's was running at 320 deg
rees. I still had 15 degrees to go, but I richened the fuel just to see how m
uch the temps came down and they dropped 16 degrees when running normal with
out leaning. It was heating up rapidly, and I had no inclination to dodge Du
st Devils, so I turned for home.
>
> Larry
>
> --
> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of oth
ers.
>
> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email addre
ss before sending.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Hale <halesbeer(at)gmail.com> |
Are there plans for a flyin this year at the rock house? Is the rock house in
the path of the eclipse?
Or where is the rock house? This is Mike in Seattle, lurking for many years. FS
2 503 Rotax
Cell 206-963-2118
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fly in out west |
As a matter of fact there are the usual plans for the Rock House fly-in. We
will gather Sept 8th until everyone gets tired and goes back home. It
rarely last more than a week.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6713155,-117.8597774,1324m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en
I will have some gas available, and if more is needed we can go get some.
Meals are group affairs, but you should arrive with any speciality items
that you may require. The area is a bit remote from what you may be used to.
The runway is dirt, and quite smooth. The taxi ways are a bit less so.
There is about 2800 feet of smooth runway. The altitude is just under 4000
feet. There are tiedowns and plenty of room for camping.
You can either drive in, with or without a plane if you are so inclined. Or
even arrive in a "spam can". Our only requirement is an interest in planes
and a nice temperament. Grouches will be ejected.
Larry Cottrell
541 586 5030
On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 8:31 AM, Mike Hale wrote:
>
> Are there plans for a flyin this year at the rock house? Is the rock
> house in the path of the eclipse?
> Or where is the rock house? This is Mike in Seattle, lurking for many
> years. FS 2 503 Rotax
>
> Cell 206-963-2118
>
>
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others.*
*If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
address before sending.*
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
https://vimeo.com/225632176
password
- owyheeflyer
Local flight to Antelope reservoir. My flight covered 1.25 hours - 89 miles
- less than 4 gallons.
Larry
--
*The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of
others.*
*If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
address before sending.*
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Another beautiful flight Larry, thank you for posting the video.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 7/14/17, Larry Cottrell wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: video
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com"
Date: Friday, July 14, 2017, 10:43 PM
https://vimeo.com/225632176password
- owyheeflyer
Local flight to Antelope reservoir. My flight
covered 1.25 hours - 89 miles - less than 4
gallons.
Larry
--
The
older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are
intolerant of others.
If you forward this email, or any part of
it, please remove my email address before sending.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Enjoyed the flight.
Your videos give me the urge to fly, but I think I will be more
comfortable in the 5th wheel.
Another couple weeks and I'm out of here. Got a VA apt 2 Aug, then I am
free to travel.
Take care,
john
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Cottrell
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 12:44 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: video
https://vimeo.com/225632176 password -
owyheeflyer
Local flight to Antelope reservoir. My flight covered 1.25 hours - 89
miles - less than 4 gallons.
Larry
--
The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of
others.
If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
address before sending.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Pictures from last flight |
The last pictures I sent to the list were "screen shots" taken from the
video footage that was taken on my Virb camera. The were pretty small. My
camera remote gives me the option to take pictures while still recording
video. I gave it a try yesterday, and the shots are a bit better, but still
a pretty small size. The screen shots were about 300 KB while the camera
snaps are about 500 KB. Should be small enough that the "Rev" doesn't have
to call me out. =F0=9F=98=8A Of course with all photography it is lighting
that
matters, but it is better than not seeing it at all.
Larry
--
*The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of
others.*
*If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
address before sending.*
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
Another great video, Larry! I really enjoy your video. You posted some great
photos of this area too. Keep'em coming! Thanks, George
Have a great day!
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:00 AM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Enjoyed the flight.
>
> Your videos give me the urge to fly, but I think I will be more comfortabl
e in the 5th wheel.
>
> Another couple weeks and I'm out of here. Got a VA apt 2 Aug, then I am f
ree to travel.
>
> Take care,
>
> john
>
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell
> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 12:44 AM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: video
>
> https://vimeo.com/225632176 password - owyheeflyer
>
> Local flight to Antelope reservoir. My flight covered 1.25 hours - 89 mile
s - less than 4 gallons.
>
> Larry
>
>
> --
> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of oth
ers.
>
> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email addre
ss before sending.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Pictures from last flight |
Sorry about posting my last to the List. You know how that goes,
thinking I am replying to the sender, not realizing it was a Kolb List
message.
Used to do two trips a year out West, but scheduling has put a crimp in
that schedule. Went through the planning stages of flying the MKIII out
to the Rock House, fly commercial back to Alabama to get the 5th wheel
and RZR. After the flyin, fly the MKIII back to Alabama and fly
commercial back to Boise, ID. Sounded like a good idea at first,
but....burns up a lot of time and money, plus puts me in a position
where I have deadlines to meet. I don't do good with deadlines and
appointments. Figured doing the trip on the ground sounded a wee bit
better this year. Maybe next year I can fly out in May, fly home, get
the 5th wheel and then do my ground trip out West. 13 years ago I flew
out to the Kolb Unplanned/Unorganized Monument Valley Flyin, then back
to Alabama, reloaded the MKIII and flew to Point Barrow, Kaktovik,
Alaska, and Tuktoyaktuk, North West Territory. My what a difference 13
years makes. ;-) Never thought I would be such an old woozie.
Gee, I forgot why I was writing this reply. ???
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Cottrell
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 10:07 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Pictures from last flight
The last pictures I sent to the list were "screen shots" taken from the
video footage that was taken on my Virb camera. The were pretty small.
My camera remote gives me the option to take pictures while still
recording video. I gave it a try yesterday, and the shots are a bit
better, but still a pretty small size. The screen shots were about 300
KB while the camera snaps are about 500 KB. Should be small enough that
the "Rev" doesn't have to call me out. =F0=9F=98=8A Of course with all
photography it is lighting that matters, but it is better than not
seeing it at all.
Larry
--
The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of
others.
If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
address before sending.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pictures from last flight |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Great pictures. Thanks for all you do.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471032#471032
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pictures from last flight |
You are all most welcome!
Larry
On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Richard Pike
wrote:
>
> Great pictures. Thanks for all you do.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471032#471032
>
>
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*The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of
others.*
*If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
address before sending.*
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pictures from last flight |
| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
Great videos and pictures, thanks again.
I still have a problem thinking of this landscape in Oregon.
All that goes through the mind is green trees and Crater Lake
when I think of Oregon.
--------
West1m
Hastings, MN
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471041#471041
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| From: | "jonealjr" <jonealjr(at)gmail.com> |
Great Video
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471092#471092
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| Subject: | The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Took it to the field of a friend, 3,000' grass strip (!) I flew it twice this morning,
took off, climbed to 30', flew it down the runway and landed. Went back
this evening to fly it some more, David & I both flew it for a total of 11 times,
a bit over 2 hours. Burned 2.5 gallons of gas.
The 277 seems to be plenty of power, but IMO it vibrates a bit much. Maybe I am
spoiled by 2 cylinder engines...
Performance is ideal for an ultralight, cruises at 54 mph at 4900 rpm, climbout
at 45 indicated at 7-800 fpm. Should have gone ahead and put the requisite trim
tab on the right aileron, and then it would have been trimmed right to start
with. Will do that tomorrow.
Extremely pleased.
https://youtu.be/Rq8NCDpBg1A
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471150#471150
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
Should have gone ahead and put the requisite trim tab on the right
aileron, and then it would have been trimmed right to start with
Sorry hit the wrong button.... I have seen a mk 3 that wanted to roll
right on first flight,,, one wanted to roll left.... And a third
required no trim
Boyd Y
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
Hey Richard, congrats on getting the little bird flying! I liked the 1st flight
takeoff video. George
Have a great day!
> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:17 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
>
> Took it to the field of a friend, 3,000' grass strip (!) I flew it twice this
morning, took off, climbed to 30', flew it down the runway and landed. Went back
this evening to fly it some more, David & I both flew it for a total of 11
times, a bit over 2 hours. Burned 2.5 gallons of gas.
> The 277 seems to be plenty of power, but IMO it vibrates a bit much. Maybe I
am spoiled by 2 cylinder engines...
> Performance is ideal for an ultralight, cruises at 54 mph at 4900 rpm, climbout
at 45 indicated at 7-800 fpm. Should have gone ahead and put the requisite
trim tab on the right aileron, and then it would have been trimmed right to start
with. Will do that tomorrow.
> Extremely pleased.
> https://youtu.be/Rq8NCDpBg1A
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471150#471150
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
It seemed to get up in the air really quickly. Any wind? What was the finished
weight?
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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On Tue, 7/18/17, Richard Pike wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!)
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, July 18, 2017, 11:17 PM
Pike"
Took it to the field of a friend,
3,000' grass strip (!) I flew it twice this morning, took
off, climbed to 30', flew it down the runway and landed.
Went back this evening to fly it some more, David & I
both flew it for a total of 11 times, a bit over 2 hours.
Burned 2.5 gallons of gas.
The 277 seems to be plenty of power,
but IMO it vibrates a bit much.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
Congratulations on the new Fire Fly.
Glad it performed well.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 10:18 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!)
-->
Took it to the field of a friend, 3,000' grass strip (!) I flew it twice
this morning, took off, climbed to 30', flew it down the runway and landed.
Went back this evening to fly it some more, David & I both flew it for a
total of 11 times, a bit over 2 hours. Burned 2.5 gallons of gas.
The 277 seems to be plenty of power, but IMO it vibrates a bit much. Maybe I
am spoiled by 2 cylinder engines...
Performance is ideal for an ultralight, cruises at 54 mph at 4900 rpm,
climbout at 45 indicated at 7-800 fpm. Should have gone ahead and put the
requisite trim tab on the right aileron, and then it would have been trimmed
right to start with. Will do that tomorrow.
Extremely pleased.
https://youtu.be/Rq8NCDpBg1A
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471150#471150
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | relaying information |
I received an email from a Northern flyer concerning an accident with his
plane. He did not wish to be identified for some reason. This is what I got.
Would you mind passing this on to the Kolb group? I'd like to not put my
name in with it.
I recently wrecked a perfectly good Kolb MK III and would like to pass on
a couple of comments.
You can see some details of the incident at:
http://www.summit107.com/news/east-kootenay-news/plane-crash
-near-creston-results-in-two-people-receiving-minor-injuries/
The engine was a beautifully converted Geo 4 cylinder that ran as smooth as
silk. This installation might be a little heavier than a 912 and a friend
predicted that in an accident the engine would be in our laps. In fact, as
you can see from the picture, there was next to no structural failure in
the cage/engine mount area in spite of a landing that wiped off the gear,
flattened the belly and essentially wrote off the plane.
I was the pilot and sustained minor back damage: lots of aches and pains
and a minor concussion (some memory loss of the last critical moments) but
nothing broken. My friend on the other hand had severe back damage as in a
broken back needing pins to fuse several vertebrae.She will recover most
function but will not likely be up to her pre-accident capability. It is
possible that her damage was caused by impact with the battery which was
under her seat. If I ever own another plane like this I would look into
some kind of rigid seat pan for back protection
Because of the memory loss, I cannot say for sure what happened. There was
a power reduction after take-off . I did push the nose down to go under
power lines. I did not pull up enough. Don't know why.
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One of the things that we could take away from this incident is that the
sling seats can be hazardous to your health.
Larry
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
How in the world did you find an operating 277? It seemed to do just fine
with it. I am considering repainting my plane back to blue again. I'm
having a hard time sneaking up on my neighbor next door.
Congratulations
Larry
On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Richard Pike
wrote:
>
> Took it to the field of a friend, 3,000' grass strip (!) I flew it twice
> this morning, took off, climbed to 30', flew it down the runway and landed.
> Went back this evening to fly it some more, David & I both flew it for a
> total of 11 times, a bit over 2 hours. Burned 2.5 gallons of gas.
> The 277 seems to be plenty of power, but IMO it vibrates a bit much. Maybe
> I am spoiled by 2 cylinder engines...
> Performance is ideal for an ultralight, cruises at 54 mph at 4900 rpm,
> climbout at 45 indicated at 7-800 fpm. Should have gone ahead and put the
> requisite trim tab on the right aileron, and then it would have been
> trimmed right to start with. Will do that tomorrow.
> Extremely pleased.
> https://youtu.be/Rq8NCDpBg1A
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471150#471150
>
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| Subject: | Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
We are still struggling with the weight, our cheesy bathroom scales say it is ~260,
it could be legal, but we don't know what it actually weighs. Even with these
bogus scales it at least falls within the W&B envelope. Got an A&P friend
with real scales, will get him to weigh it. Anyway, it is very close to legal
U/L weight and we are not done fiddling with that part yet; we are determined
that it is going to end up legal.
Flight yesterday was with no wind, it accelerates slower on the flat than the other
Kolbs due to the small engine, but once it gets off, it climbs really good
because of the light weight.
We found a local guy who had purchased a 277 and sent it to Lockwood and had it
totally rebuilt, it has a 2.58:1 A box on it, 64" 2 blade Ivoprop. It runs really
smooth at cruise power, but vibrates a lot at idle, don't yet know why.
Will be putting a trim tab on the right aileron this evening and hoping to fly
it to it's permanent home. Nice little 28 mile cross country.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
Very nice. All I can suggest is to re-read Jack Hart's web site for dietary
suggestions. Anybody hear from him lately?
Bil Sullivan
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On Wed, 7/19/17, Richard Pike wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!)
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, July 19, 2017, 1:48 PM
Pike"
We are still struggling with the
weight, our cheesy bathroom scales say it is ~260, it could
be legal, but we don't know what it actually weighs. Even
with these bogus scales it at least falls within the W&B
envelope.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
Does it still have the same vibration problem at high idle? At what RPM
does it clean up?
Over the years I have seen most folks try to slow idle all models of the
Rotax, while the engine it trying to eat itself with adverse feedback and
gear box chatter.
If it was mine, I'd idle it fast enough to get out of the vibrations mode,
if that is possible, and still being able to comfortably control the
aircraft.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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We are still struggling with the weight, our cheesy bathroom scales say it
is ~260, it could be legal, but we don't know what it actually weighs. Even
with these bogus scales it at least falls within the W&B envelope. Got an
A&P friend with real scales, will get him to weigh it. Anyway, it is very
close to legal U/L weight and we are not done fiddling with that part yet;
we are determined that it is going to end up legal.
Flight yesterday was with no wind, it accelerates slower on the flat than
the other Kolbs due to the small engine, but once it gets off, it climbs
really good because of the light weight.
We found a local guy who had purchased a 277 and sent it to Lockwood and had
it totally rebuilt, it has a 2.58:1 A box on it, 64" 2 blade Ivoprop. It
runs really smooth at cruise power, but vibrates a lot at idle, don't yet
know why.
Will be putting a trim tab on the right aileron this evening and hoping to
fly it to it's permanent home. Nice little 28 mile cross country.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
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| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
On Wed, 7/19/17, John Hauck wrote:
"... while the engine it trying to eat itself with adverse feedback and gear box
chatter.
If it was mine, I'd idle it fast enough to get out of the vibrations mode, ..."
Agree 100%. I have very little experience with 2 stroke engines, but I do know
that harmonic vibrations and harsh load reversals are bad for any engine. There
is little or no upside to operating any engine in an RPM range that creates
bad vicrations. Any experienced pilot will tell you that an airplane will "talk
to you" and tell you when it's happy or unhappy.
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| Subject: | Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
It cleans up at around 3500. I am wondering if the power pulses of a single and
the coupling design of the A & B gearboxes is not going to make for a happy relationship?
Years ago I had a 277 on my Hummer with the Maxair belt drive and
it was smooth as silk. Might have to look into trying to scrounge up an old belt
redrive.
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Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | Wayne Schneider <jwaynes(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
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| Subject: | Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Prop weight is well within range for an A or B box, it is a new two blade 64" Ivo,
so that is minimal, but something is screwy with whatever we are doing. We
idled it up to 3,000 minimum and got rid of all the single cylinder/gearbox shake
at idle, but then trying to land it was a pain - float and float some more.
So idled it back down to 2,200 so you can slow down on approach and then throttle
it right back up to 3,000 once you get down and settled. So you only have
a few moments of excessive shake.
But that is not the problem; the problem is that even when it is running comparitively
smoothly @ 3,000 rpm or over, this thing simply vibrates way more than
any airplane or U/L I have ever flown, something is not right.
The little engine runs fine, flew it a short 30 mile cross country this evening
from the big grass strip where we did our test flights to the field where it
will be living for the next few months, and the only rpm that doesn't vibrate
excessively is right at 5,200, everything else you can feel the vibration all
through the airframe.
Something Dave pointed out is that when we first got this airplane it had a 447
on it; after we put the airframe back together and ran it up, that engine vibrated
excessively just like this one does. I am starting to wonder about our Lord
mounts.
But right now we are open to all suggestions. Tomorrow I'll post some pictures
of the engine/mounts, etc.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
On 7/19/2017 9:06 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> Prop weight is well within range for an A or B box, it is a new two blade 64"
Ivo, so that is minimal, but something is screwy with whatever we are doing.
We idled it up to 3,000 minimum and got rid of all the single cylinder/gearbox
shake at idle, but then trying to land it was a pain - float and float some more.
So idled it back down to 2,200 so you can slow down on approach and then
throttle it right back up to 3,000 once you get down and settled. So you only
have a few moments of excessive shake.
>
> But that is not the problem; the problem is that even when it is running comparitively
smoothly @ 3,000 rpm or over, this thing simply vibrates way more than
any airplane or U/L I have ever flown, something is not right.
>
> The little engine runs fine, flew it a short 30 mile cross country this evening
from the big grass strip where we did our test flights to the field where it
will be living for the next few months, and the only rpm that doesn't vibrate
excessively is right at 5,200, everything else you can feel the vibration all
through the airframe.
>
> Something Dave pointed out is that when we first got this airplane it had a 447
on it; after we put the airframe back together and ran it up, that engine vibrated
excessively just like this one does. I am starting to wonder about our
Lord mounts.
>
> But right now we are open to all suggestions. Tomorrow I'll post some pictures
of the engine/mounts, etc.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
Richard,
I don't remember seeing many UL/light plane guys talk about prop
balance; particularly dynamic balance. But it might be worth a look,
especially if an EAA chapter nearby has a dynamic prop balancer for loan
or rent (ours does, here in central MS).
What you're describing could easily be caused by prop imbalance. It's
the nature of the beast that we notice lower frequency vibes, but are
not sensitive to higher frequencies. So your vibe may be there all
across the rpm spectrum, but you just can't feel it when the engine's
running at higher rpm.
There's also the issue of resonance. Your particular combination of
prop, gearbox, engine, airframe, mount cushions, etc may be near its
system resonance in the range they you're able to idle the engine
effectively. Any imbalance may be conspiring with a possible resonant
freq that's near your idle rpm to give you severe vibes in that range.
Without actual data it's just wild speculation, but something to consider.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
| From: | "wakataka" <wakataka(at)charter.net> |
Richard -
Congratulations on the successful first flight. I had about 100 hours on 277 engines
before I went to Kawasaki, mainly to avoid vibration that was tearing up
my airframe. The 277 is a really powerful and light weight little engine, but
it does vibrate more than any 2 cylinder I've ever flown. I had one of those
dynamic prop balancer thingies on mine and it helped just a bit. Not sure it was
worth the extra weight, particularly if you are striving to make it legal.
One thing you might want to check the spring washers in the gearbox. If spring
washers get weak there will be excessive 'give' in the knuckle joint. It can make
the engine shake really bad at low RPM. If you're hearing a clacking noise
associated with the vibration, suspect your spring washers. There was a service
bulletin on the A gearbox. It originally had something like 9 spring washers
and it was updated to 12. Same shaft, just more washers packed onto it to tighten
up the knuckle joint. B boxes always had the larger number of spring washers.
I'll try to attach the service bulletin and the gearbox repair instructions
from the CPS catalog.
I was able to do the spring washer replacement in a big bench vise using a big
socket in place of the special Rotax tool, which is no longer available. If you
read the Rotax manuals, they say the spring washers should be replaced something
like every 100 hours. Nobody I know does that, but if the spring washers
do get weak, it will make your engine shake like crazy, be hard to start, and
sometimes hard to get to come off idle.
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| Subject: | Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Thanks for those instructions Wakataka, the engine and gearbox are a new rebuild
from Lockwood, the engine is very easy to start - usually one pull, and it has
no problems coming off idle. Nevertheless, we may still need to take the box
apart to have a look and those instructions will be necessary.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
I think we found the vibration problem; we think that dummy Pike designed the rubber
muffler hangars incorrectly, allowing a harmonic resonance to set up between
the engine and the muffler. Will fabricate new rubber hangars this afternoon
to replace the ones that got destroyed in only 3.5 hours of flight, and run
it up tomorrow so we can watch it close and see what is happening in that area.
Thanks for all the helpful suggestions.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
I flew to Jordan Craters today so that I could get a video record with a
much better camera. I made a video some years ago but the camera only had a
resolution of 480 at the best. It is such a striking visual area that I
wanted to do it again. The flight was an hour and 36 minutes, burning about
3.25 gallons of fuel. Average speed of 65, which was much better than I
expected. I actually got a bit chilly on the way back, which was unusual to
say the least.
I will upload the video tonight since my upload link is about 1MB . The
video unfortunately is about 9 minutes long. I cut as much out as I could,
unfortunately there is a lot that is worth seeing, at least I think so. :-/
Here are some of the snapshots of the flight.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
At least the Ultra Bug is in good company while we try and figure out how to make
it's shakes go away:
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Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
Must of had a sale on blue paint. :-)
Larry
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 9:16 PM, Richard Pike
wrote:
>
> At least the Ultra Bug is in good company while we try and figure out how
> to make it's shakes go away:
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471215#471215
>
>
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Flight to Jordan Craters |
https://vimeo.com/226399752 password - owyheeflyer
Larry
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
It is difficult to grasp how large the Jordan Craters are, how huge the
lava spout is, even when standing on it. Must have really been an eye
catcher when the lava was flowing.
Thanks for sharing.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Cottrell
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 8:35 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: flight today
I flew to Jordan Craters today so that I could get a video record with a
much better camera. I made a video some years ago but the camera only
had a resolution of 480 at the best. It is such a striking visual area
that I wanted to do it again. The flight was an hour and 36 minutes,
burning about 3.25 gallons of fuel. Average speed of 65, which was much
better than I expected. I actually got a bit chilly on the way back,
which was unusual to say the least.
I will upload the video tonight since my upload link is about 1MB . The
video unfortunately is about 9 minutes long. I cut as much out as I
could, unfortunately there is a lot that is worth seeing, at least I
think so. :-/ Here are some of the snapshots of the flight.
Larry
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| From: | Jim Thomson <mojaveclimber(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: flight today |
Larry
Great pictures, I suspect any mono camera does not fully capture the
panorama. We all know piloting one's own aircraft is nearly magical. The
chill on your return, that is due to Global Warming.
Jim
Mk3 Pilot
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 5:59 AM, John Hauck wrote:
> It is difficult to grasp how large the Jordan Craters are, how huge the
> lava spout is, even when standing on it. Must have really been an eye
> catcher when the lava was flowing.
>
>
> Thanks for sharing.
>
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> *From:* owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-
> server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Larry Cottrell
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 8:35 PM
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: flight today
>
>
> I flew to Jordan Craters today so that I could get a video record with a
> much better camera. I made a video some years ago but the camera only had a
> resolution of 480 at the best. It is such a striking visual area that I
> wanted to do it again. The flight was an hour and 36 minutes, burning about
> 3.25 gallons of fuel. Average speed of 65, which was much better than I
> expected. I actually got a bit chilly on the way back, which was unusual to
> say the least.
>
>
> I will upload the video tonight since my upload link is about 1MB . The
> video unfortunately is about 9 minutes long. I cut as much out as I could,
> unfortunately there is a lot that is worth seeing, at least I think so. :-/
> Here are some of the snapshots of the flight.
>
> Larry
>
>
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| From: | Jim Thomson <mojaveclimber(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
Gentlemen:
The propeller is by far the larges rotating mass and therefore the largest
potential for vibration. From your discussion I am confident your
propeller is out of balance. Swap in a known good propeller. I expect
your vibration will disappear.
Jim
Mk3 Pilot
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Charlie England
wrote:
>
> On 7/19/2017 9:06 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>> Prop weight is well within range for an A or B box, it is a new two blade
>> 64" Ivo, so that is minimal, but something is screwy with whatever we are
>> doing. We idled it up to 3,000 minimum and got rid of all the single
>> cylinder/gearbox shake at idle, but then trying to land it was a pain -
>> float and float some more. So idled it back down to 2,200 so you can slow
>> down on approach and then throttle it right back up to 3,000 once you get
>> down and settled. So you only have a few moments of excessive shake.
>>
>> But that is not the problem; the problem is that even when it is running
>> comparitively smoothly @ 3,000 rpm or over, this thing simply vibrates way
>> more than any airplane or U/L I have ever flown, something is not right.
>>
>> The little engine runs fine, flew it a short 30 mile cross country this
>> evening from the big grass strip where we did our test flights to the field
>> where it will be living for the next few months, and the only rpm that
>> doesn't vibrate excessively is right at 5,200, everything else you can feel
>> the vibration all through the airframe.
>>
>> Something Dave pointed out is that when we first got this airplane it had
>> a 447 on it; after we put the airframe back together and ran it up, that
>> engine vibrated excessively just like this one does. I am starting to
>> wonder about our Lord mounts.
>>
>> But right now we are open to all suggestions. Tomorrow I'll post some
>> pictures of the engine/mounts, etc.
>>
>> --------
>> Richard Pike
>> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>>
>> Richard,
>
> I don't remember seeing many UL/light plane guys talk about prop balance;
> particularly dynamic balance. But it might be worth a look, especially if
> an EAA chapter nearby has a dynamic prop balancer for loan or rent (ours
> does, here in central MS).
>
> What you're describing could easily be caused by prop imbalance. It's the
> nature of the beast that we notice lower frequency vibes, but are not
> sensitive to higher frequencies. So your vibe may be there all across the
> rpm spectrum, but you just can't feel it when the engine's running at
> higher rpm.
>
> There's also the issue of resonance. Your particular combination of prop,
> gearbox, engine, airframe, mount cushions, etc may be near its system
> resonance in the range they you're able to idle the engine effectively. Any
> imbalance may be conspiring with a possible resonant freq that's near your
> idle rpm to give you severe vibes in that range.
>
> Without actual data it's just wild speculation, but something to consider.
>
> Charlie
>
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| Subject: | Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Problem appears to be resolved. It was in how I had tied the muffler to the head
braces via the rubber exhaust hangers. I had them too tight, and it set up a
resonant interaction between the engine and the muffler. Consequently - during
a 1 hour flight - it broke 3 out of the 4 muffler hangars. These are the exact
same hangars I use on my MKIII, and typically they last several years, and
then I replace them just as a precaution, not because they are damaged or worn.
Ran it a bunch with the new rubber hangars this morning, vibration was about 90%
better, flew it a couple times while adjusting the aileron pushrods and resizing
the right aileron trim tab, and I think we are about to get it whipped.
We would like to change the muffler configuration: if anybody has a Rotax straight
exhaust expansion cone (A- "Straight" Exhaust in the attachment) and you
want to sell it, let me know.Would also consider a "C" exhaust as in the jpeg.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight to Jordan Craters |
Great video,Larry! Mighty rugged country. You deal with rock and I deal with to
many trees. I took off the 4:00X 6 tires that I had using a went to some slightly
larger 6:00X6 turf tires. Kinda smoothes out some of the rougher grass runways
we have up here in northern Michigan.
Have a great day! George
Firestar , FS100
14GDH
Mesick, Michigan
gdhelton(at)gmail.com
> On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:19 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
>
> owyheeflyer
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| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight to Jordan Craters |
Larry
I think I have a nice back yard to fly in but yours is super. Thanks for
sharing.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 8:19 AM, Larry Cottrell
wrote:
> https://vimeo.com/226399752 password - owyheeflyer
>
> Larry
>
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| Subject: | summer windscreen templet |
| From: | "japowell" <japnmjp(at)twc.com> |
Starting to work on the finishing details for my cockpit on the FS II. I am thinking
of using the short summer windscreen. Does Kolb or anyone have a pattern
for this? Thanks.
--------
Jim P
WAR EAGLE
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
This should be the last video, since I am running out of new places to show
you. I am a bit disappointed in this one. It was taken too early in the
morning. The sun plays havoc with the sensors in the camera. The Virb
editing program has changed and I left out all the metric's gathered by the
camera. I started to redo it, but it was so much trouble and time
consuming, that I scrapped the idea.
The area is magnificent however, and I am amazed at the courage and
toughness that some one would have chosen it to "raise a family". My
sources tell me that it was a Basque Sheep Herder from Spain that built the
ranch and Lived there.
https://vimeo.com/226653937 password - owyheeflyer
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| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
Another great video. I certainly hope that is not your last one.
Your videos are great and I am always looking forward to the next one.
Thank You for putting them up.
--------
West1m
Hastings, MN
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Thank you Larry. Nice way to end a great day.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
Larry, wonderful video as usual! Are you using a Virb Elite? I'm thinking ab
out buying one of these. I think the quality of your recording is excellent.
I'd like another camera to go along with my GoPro Session 5. Thanks, George
Have a great day!
> On Jul 23, 2017, at 8:43 PM, Larry Cottrell wrot
e:
>
> This should be the last video, since I am running out of new places to sho
w you. I am a bit disappointed in this one. It was taken too early in the mo
rning. The sun plays havoc with the sensors in the camera. The Virb editing p
rogram has changed and I left out all the metric's gathered by the camera. I
started to redo it, but it was so much trouble and time consuming, that I s
crapped the idea.
>
> The area is magnificent however, and I am amazed at the courage and toughn
ess that some one would have chosen it to "raise a family". My sources tell m
e that it was a Basque Sheep Herder from Spain that built the ranch and Live
d there.
>
> https://vimeo.com/226653937 password - owyheeflyer
>
> Larry
> --
> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of oth
ers.
>
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
George, I am using a virb Elite. I think it is better than the go pro. I
never was able to stabilize a go pro. The battery life is excellent, you
can take pictures while recording as well. Right now they are only about
$149. on Amazon.
Larry
On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 9:25 PM, George Helton wrote:
> Larry, wonderful video as usual! Are you using a Virb Elite? I'm thinking
> about buying one of these. I think the quality of your recording is
> excellent. I'd like another camera to go along with my GoPro Session 5.
> Thanks, George
>
> Have a great day!
>
> On Jul 23, 2017, at 8:43 PM, Larry Cottrell
> wrote:
>
> This should be the last video, since I am running out of new places to
> show you. I am a bit disappointed in this one. It was taken too early in
> the morning. The sun plays havoc with the sensors in the camera. The Virb
> editing program has changed and I left out all the metric's gathered by the
> camera. I started to redo it, but it was so much trouble and time
> consuming, that I scrapped the idea.
>
> The area is magnificent however, and I am amazed at the courage and
> toughness that some one would have chosen it to "raise a family". My
> sources tell me that it was a Basque Sheep Herder from Spain that built the
> ranch and Lived there.
>
> https://vimeo.com/226653937 password - owyheeflyer
>
> Larry
> --
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> others.*
>
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you for your for input Larry. I'm going to order one today. The GoPro S
ession 5 is very small and works well. But, they are pricey and Virb Elite s
eems to have all of the same features for less money. Thank you! George
Have a great day!
> On Jul 23, 2017, at 11:51 PM, Larry Cottrell wro
te:
>
> George, I am using a virb Elite. I think it is better than the go pro. I n
ever was able to stabilize a go pro. The battery life is excellent, you can t
ake pictures while recording as well. Right now they are only about $149. on
Amazon.
> Larry
>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 9:25 PM, George Helton wrote
:
>> Larry, wonderful video as usual! Are you using a Virb Elite? I'm thinking
about buying one of these. I think the quality of your recording is excelle
nt. I'd like another camera to go along with my GoPro Session 5. Thanks, Geo
rge
>>
>> Have a great day!
>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2017, at 8:43 PM, Larry Cottrell wr
ote:
>>>
>>> This should be the last video, since I am running out of new places to s
how you. I am a bit disappointed in this one. It was taken too early in the m
orning. The sun plays havoc with the sensors in the camera. The Virb editing
program has changed and I left out all the metric's gathered by the camera.
I started to redo it, but it was so much trouble and time consuming, that I
scrapped the idea.
>>>
>>> The area is magnificent however, and I am amazed at the courage and toug
hness that some one would have chosen it to "raise a family". My sources tel
l me that it was a Basque Sheep Herder from Spain that built the ranch and L
ived there.
>>>
>>> https://vimeo.com/226653937 password - owyheeflyer
>>>
>>> Larry
>>> --
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thers.
>>>
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ress before sending.
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| Subject: | Fun Fest Balloon Rally 2017 |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Took a lady from church flying Saturday morning, it was the last day of a week
long local event called Fun Fest. She was an enthusiastic photographer, here are
some of the ones she took.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Fun Fest Balloon Rally 2017 |
I like the Sun Burst Balloon. Enjoyed its smile which put a smile on my
face too.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Al
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Took a lady from church flying Saturday morning, it was the last day of a
week long local event called Fun Fest. She was an enthusiastic photographer,
here are some of the ones she took.
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Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | "KelleyT" <toadkelly2000(at)yahoo.com> |
[quote="lcottrell"]This should be the last video, since I am running out of new
places to show you. ....
Larry,
I hope that you make more videos. I really look forward to them and I want to
thank you for all you have done so far.
I have been curious about your engine that you seem to be having good luck with
so far. I think there would be many of us who would like to see a short video
of you showing and talking about your engine and aircraft.
You are blessed to live in such beautiful county. Thanks again.
TK
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| Subject: | Re: Fun Fest Balloon Rally 2017 |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
John Hauck wrote:
> I like the Sun Burst Balloon. Enjoyed its smile which put a smile on my face
too.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Al--
That's the Fun Fest mascot; "Festus."
:D
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Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fun Fest Balloon Rally 2017 |
Wow, nice pictures!
Have a great day!
> On Jul 25, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
>
> Took a lady from church flying Saturday morning, it was the last day of a week
long local event called Fun Fest. She was an enthusiastic photographer, here
are some of the ones she took.
>
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> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Yet another Video |
I had thought that I was done, but then the Monsoons from NM and Arizona
decide to bend the jet stream our way. This of course brings heat and
moisture. The heavy clouds build up static electricity that just has to
discharge as it passes over some of the most volatale terrain outside of
lower California. We were under "flood watch", but the forecast was for
only 30 percent of the area. Well the floods did not arrive, but the
lightening did.
The area that got the most of it was the area burned over 3 or 4 years ago,
and consisting of Cheat Grass. Of course fires soon generate their own
wind, and it doesn't take too long before things get interesting. I waited
until I was sure that the fire was out and whatever TFR's were in place,
were not in effect. The fire consumed about 1700 acres before it was put
out.
You will notice that at the South end of the fire, further burning was
stopped by the application of Fire retardant. They use "crop dusters"
first, to drop loads of retardant. It takes time and quite possibly the
large tankers are in use at higher priority fires and are not available.
You can see quite plainly that they effectively put out the fire on the
South end of the mountain.
https://vimeo.com/227323102 password owyheeflyer
Larry
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Yet another Video |
I made a mistake on the size of the fire, Rather than 1700 acres correct
that to 17000 acres.
Larry
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Yet another Video |
That's okay, Larry. It was another well done video. My new virb elite arrive
d yesterday. Now it's going be figuring out the software and where to mount i
t. Looks like a nice camera. George
Have a great day!
> On Jul 27, 2017, at 11:40 PM, Larry Cottrell wro
te:
>
> I made a mistake on the size of the fire, Rather than 1700 acres correct t
hat to 17000 acres.
> Larry
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Virb settings - Yet another video |
The settings that I use fits my needs best, and are as follows.
video mode 1080P
field of view- Ultra Zoom
Loop- off
Auto Record- When moving
Digital Stabilizer- on
Lens correction- check
Of all the settings on the camera, the "Ultra Zoom" is the most important
and gets rid of the fish eye effect.
I use Auto record simply because it makes its use "fool proof". I do have a
remote, but I am so ingenious that I can still screw it up. With a good
Micro SD card it will record up to about 6 hours, and none of us has that
much range. You can still activate the camera while the virb is recording
with the remote. The camera has Wifi, but its line of sight and not as
reliable as a real remote.
If you want to see the G Metrix (Speed etc) you will have to use the
editing program that comes with the camera. It ( to me) seems to be a bit
difficult to use, but then I probably haven't invested the time to learn
it. I make a basic cut of what I want to show, then export it to a folder
on my computer. I will then import it into Cyberlink editing program and
finish it there.
If there is any way that I can help you with it don't hesitate to ask.
Looking forward to some videos from you.
Larry
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| Subject: | Kolb Firestar and =?ISO-8859-1?Q?20=99?= container hangar - |
possible?
| From: | "ave8ta" <ave8ta(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi all,
I would like to purchase a FireStar II SS. Love the folding wing capabilities!
Can the Kolb FireStar II SS fit and be hangered inside a 20 container?
Where I live security is a real issue and she must be stored between flights in
a 20 Container. Comparing the dimensions of the container and FireStar II SS
we see a small problem with length :
Container Mark III
Conclusion
Height 74 (door) 64 fits
Width 76 (door) 610 fits
Length 195 interior length 222 -27
http://www.dimensionsinfo.com/20ft-container-size/
What are your thoughts please? Will angling her up let her fit ? Removing nose
or rudder? Any one flying from a 20' foot container?
Thanking you in advance.
Strength for today, Bright Hope for tomorrow
Yours Faithfully
Paul Dalley
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar and =?ISO-8859-1?Q?20=99?= container hangar |
- possible?
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
According to the Kolb web site, the FSII SS is 22' long. There is no point in removing
the nose cone because the rudder pedals & nose wheel will still be out
there. You might gain a few inches by making the front of the nose cone quick
detach.
You would need to shorten the wings a bit as well as make the rudder quick disconnect
because when folded, the wing tips typically come back to the end of the
rudder. The trailing edges of the elevators are still going to stick bak out
there though.
Search the archives for info on shortening the tail boom, several people have done
that in the past and were not real happy with the results, but I don't remember
the details, that is an old topic. It might be possible to shorten it just
a little, but from what I remember, not very much or things go wonky.
Maybe it would be easier to buy four 8' pieces of scrap steel 2' wide, cut one
end of the container off, weld in the 2' wide pieces of steel and make the container
longer? A decent welding shop ought to be able to knock that out in a day.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar and =?ISO-8859-1?Q?20=99?= container hangar |
- possible?
| From: | "ave8ta" <ave8ta(at)yahoo.com> |
Good morning Richard.
Thank you for your detailed reply.
Your first hand knowledge is what was needed thank you.
Yes if the wings actually come all the way to the back of the rudder, then it looks
likes as you say the wings and the tail boom will both have to be shortened,
which is unfeasible.
I'm a kiwi pilot flying in the South Pacific Island nation of Vanuatu. Oh World
War Two fame as Bali High in the Tales of the South Pacific. Carry my fair share
of sick of dying and so many of these jungle villages are completely isolated.
THe last dead baby we carried was in a battered old suitcase and its heartbreaking.
Done some missionary flying up in PNG so on my days off want to help
and fly as much as I can. So with nurse girl friend we would like to do aerial
drops to the villages etc.
There is no infrastructure at all here and certainly no hangars at any of the airports
for airplanes. At times shipping containers reach the two ports - so a
20 foot container in the 'captial' and the northern 'town' where i am based and
one more sent out on the twice a year boat far north would give me three little
hangars across the nation.
Had considered modifying a container and will consider that. 40' containers cant
be carried by the local barge so that doesnt work either.
A folding wing Kolb that could live in a 20' container, purchased in its own portable
container would be greatly appreciated around the world . . .
Thank you again.
Strength for today, Bright hope for tomorrow
Yours Faithfully
Paul
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Virb settings - Yet another video |
Well Larry, I received my virb elite yesterday. I took it out for a flight t
his morning. I mounted in the GoPro mount that's on my nose cone of my Fires
tar original. I used all of your settings. The camera works great,color, res
olution, etc. unfortunately it's weight is a lot more then the GoPro session
5. A half pound verses 2 oz. . Besides wind vibration I'm getting a lot of r
esonance vibrations thru the airframe especially at reduced or while reducin
g power. I was wondering how you mount your camera because your videos are s
o smooth and vibration free. I really like this camera. It's works well. Tha
nks, George
Have a great day!
> On Jul 28, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Larry Cottrell wro
te:
>
> The settings that I use fits my needs best, and are as follows.
> video mode 1080P
> field of view- Ultra Zoom
> Loop- off
> Auto Record- When moving
> Digital Stabilizer- on
> Lens correction- check
>
> Of all the settings on the camera, the "Ultra Zoom" is the most important
and gets rid of the fish eye effect.
>
> I use Auto record simply because it makes its use "fool proof". I do have a
remote, but I am so ingenious that I can still screw it up. With a good Mic
ro SD card it will record up to about 6 hours, and none of us has that much r
ange. You can still activate the camera while the virb is recording with the
remote. The camera has Wifi, but its line of sight and not as reliable as a
real remote.
>
> If you want to see the G Metrix (Speed etc) you will have to use the editi
ng program that comes with the camera. It ( to me) seems to be a bit difficu
lt to use, but then I probably haven't invested the time to learn it. I make
a basic cut of what I want to show, then export it to a folder on my comput
er. I will then import it into Cyberlink editing program and finish it there
.
>
> If there is any way that I can help you with it don't hesitate to ask.
>
> Looking forward to some videos from you.
> Larry
>
> --
> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of oth
ers.
>
> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email addre
ss before sending.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Virb settings - Yet another video |
This is where mine is located. I have tried every where else and this is
the only place on my plane that gives me a decent video.
I have a pitot tube right through the front of the pod. I think I got it
from LEAF and the original attraction is that the pitot tube can be
removed. I had one bent at a airshow. By someones spoiled kid of course, so
I got this one. The shorter you can keep the connections and extensions the
firmer the mount.
The other spot would be on the fold hard point on the wing. You can record
right side up or upside down in the settings, just no in between.
The mount is set up for a drift camera now, you would have to secure the
cradle rather than the screw in. If you are fond of selfies the wing would
be the way to go. :-)
Larry
On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 7:22 PM, George Helton wrote:
> Well Larry, I received my virb elite yesterday. I took it out for a flight
> this morning. I mounted in the GoPro mount that's on my nose cone of my
> Firestar original. I used all of your settings. The camera works
> great,color, resolution, etc. unfortunately it's weight is a lot more then
> the GoPro session5. A half pound verses 2 oz. . Besides wind vibration I'm
> getting a lot of resonance vibrations thru the airframe especially at
> reduced or while reducing power. I was wondering how you mount your camera
> because your videos are so smooth and vibration free. I really like this
> camera. It's works well. Thanks, George
>
> Have a great day!
>
> On Jul 28, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Larry Cottrell
> wrote:
>
> The settings that I use fits my needs best, and are as follows.
> video mode 1080P
> field of view- Ultra Zoom
> Loop- off
> Auto Record- When moving
> Digital Stabilizer- on
> Lens correction- check
>
> Of all the settings on the camera, the "Ultra Zoom" is the most important
> and gets rid of the fish eye effect.
>
> I use Auto record simply because it makes its use "fool proof". I do have
> a remote, but I am so ingenious that I can still screw it up. With a good
> Micro SD card it will record up to about 6 hours, and none of us has that
> much range. You can still activate the camera while the virb is recording
> with the remote. The camera has Wifi, but its line of sight and not as
> reliable as a real remote.
>
> If you want to see the G Metrix (Speed etc) you will have to use the
> editing program that comes with the camera. It ( to me) seems to be a bit
> difficult to use, but then I probably haven't invested the time to learn
> it. I make a basic cut of what I want to show, then export it to a folder
> on my computer. I will then import it into Cyberlink editing program and
> finish it there.
>
> If there is any way that I can help you with it don't hesitate to ask.
>
> Looking forward to some videos from you.
> Larry
>
> --
> *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of
> others.*
>
> *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
> address before sending.*
>
>
--
*The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of
others.*
*If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
address before sending.*
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar and 20 ft. container hangar - possible? |
The main parameter for the flight characteristics being discussed is called "Tail
Volume". This is expressed as area times moment arm, where area is the square
footage area of the tail surface in question, and moment arm is the distance
between the aircrft center pf gravity and the center of the square footage "area"
of the tail.
It's like a child's "teeter totter": You can have a heavier person that is close
to the pivot point,a nd a ligh ter person that is further away form the pivot
point,a nd it can still balance.
So ALL OTHER THINGS EQUAL, on a "NORMAL" aircraft, if you need to shorten the tail
then you can increase the size (area) of the tail and still achioeve the same
"Tail Volume".
Let's say that your fin and rudder together add up to ten square feet (no idea
if this is what the Kolb fin/rudder area is), and the center of this area is 13
feet from the aircraft's center of gravity (I think the Kolb tailbooms are 13
feet long). The "Tail Volume" of this is a value of 130.
If you needed o shorten the tailboom length down to 10 feet (to fit in your container),
then in order to achieve the same tail volume (and flight characteristics)
you need to increase the size of the fin and rudder until the area is 13
square feet. In THEORY, and according to the textbooks, the airplane SHOULD fly
exactly the same as it did with the old tail.
Now there are exceptions tot his "theory" and a whole l ot of other things that
can affect the actual result. On a Kolb side by side aircraft, the wide fuselage
and all those sharp awkward angles behind the widest point, will almost certainly
create a bunch of separated and jumbled upa irflow behind it. So if you
go really short on the tailboom, like 7 or 8 feet, you will probably have a
strange or unsafe flying airplane no matter how large you make the tail.
But shortening a 13 foot tailboom down to 11.5 or 12 feet will PROBABLY be just
fine if you increase the size of the tail to the corresponding correct area.
Before you take a hacksaw to a Kolb tailboom, PLEASE check with a REAL trained
aerodynamics guy who can figure out all these numbers, and verify or disprove
what I said about the tail volume.
Shortening the wings slightly is a l ot easier and a lot lower risk. There are
several factory versions of the Kolb with shorter wingspans (and shorter tails)
than the Firestar, and those aircraft have been shown to fl y well, safely,
etc.
Essentially, If you only need to make the airplane a foot or less shorter to fit
in the container, then I believe you can consult with a proper trained aero
guy, increase the fin/rudder and stabilizer/elevator areas by a small amount,
shorten the tailboom, make smaller wingtips,a nd have a safe and reasonable airplane.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 7/29/17, Richard Pike wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Firestar and 20 container hangar - possible?
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Saturday, July 29, 2017, 7:44 AM
Pike"
According to the Kolb web site, the
FSII SS is 22' long. There is no point in removing the nose
cone because the rudder pedals & nose wheel will still
be out there. You might gain a few inches by making the
front of the nose cone quick detach.
You would need to shorten the wings a
bit as well as make the rudder quick disconnect because when
folded, the wing tips typically come back to the end of the
rudder. The trailing edges of the elevators are still going
to stick bak out there though.
Search the archives for info on
shortening the tail boom, several people have done that in
the past and were not real happy with the results, but I
don't remember the details, that is an old topic. It might
be possible to shorten it just a little, but from what I
remember, not very much or things go wonky.
Maybe it would be easier to buy four 8'
pieces of scrap steel 2' wide, cut one end of the container
off, weld in the 2' wide pieces of steel and make the
container longer? A decent welding shop ought to be able to
knock that out in a day.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar and 20 ft. container hangar - possible? |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Found the old thread:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=16762082&highlight=shorter+tail+boom
--------
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Twinstar fuel tank options |
Got to thinking about replacing my tank (which did actually crack sitting
here in the ground) and tried to call Kolb last week but I guess they were
gone to OSH. Wondered if I could find it 'online' & found what you see
here. On left is a virtually exact replacement, except for the included
capped vent on the handle (missing on the original). Less than $13 plus
shipping. On the right is an 8 gallon tank from the same vendor. A bit more
expensive, but still not bad. Bigger versions got closer to $100, so I
didn't order 'samples'; at least not yet.
Not to start a 'feeder war', but how many of you are using top feed tanks?
I'm looking forward to the re-fueling process, and being able to pull the
cap/feed tube & sit the can on the ground seems like a much easier way to
fuel the plane. What say the experienced?
Charlie
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Twinstar fuel tank options |
I think this a matter of personal preference. I prefer stationary mounting. I don't
enjoy restrapping a heavy tank back in place every time. You must have an
original Twinstar. The Twinstar MKII like I built had the fuel tanks (2) mounted
behind you with a covered firewall so they really couldn't be removed.
In the early days, 1983, ultralighters who flew Phantoms and Avengers use to use
top feeders with flexible fuel hose inside the the tank with weighted ends on
them for aerobatics and inverted flight . The fuel pickup hose could move from
bottom air feeder to top feeder. They also equipped the engines with pumper
type carbs for sustained inverted flight. Was never my bag.
I just prefer not taken things apart and putting them back together. That's just
my input. You know how opinions go. Whatever works for you.
George H.
Firestar , FS100
14GDH
Mesick, Michigan
gdhelton(at)gmail.com
Have a great day!
> On Jul 31, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Charlie England wrote:
>
> yet.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Virb settings - Yet another video |
Well, I tried this mount today. I'll see how it worked as soon as the video f
inishes downloading?
Have a great day!
> On Jul 29, 2017, at 9:46 PM, Larry Cottrell wrot
e:
>
> This is where mine is located. I have tried every where else and this is t
he only place on my plane that gives me a decent video.
>
> I have a pitot tube right through the front of the pod. I think I got it f
rom LEAF and the original attraction is that the pitot tube can be removed. I
had one bent at a airshow. By someones spoiled kid of course, so I got this
one. The shorter you can keep the connections and extensions the firmer the
mount.
>
> The other spot would be on the fold hard point on the wing. You can record
right side up or upside down in the settings, just no in between.
>
> The mount is set up for a drift camera now, you would have to secure the c
radle rather than the screw in. If you are fond of selfies the wing would be
the way to go. :-)
>
> Larry
>
>> On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 7:22 PM, George Helton wrote
:
>> Well Larry, I received my virb elite yesterday. I took it out for a fligh
t this morning. I mounted in the GoPro mount that's on my nose cone of my Fi
restar original. I used all of your settings. The camera works great,color, r
esolution, etc. unfortunately it's weight is a lot more then the GoPro sessi
on5. A half pound verses 2 oz. . Besides wind vibration I'm getting a lot of
resonance vibrations thru the airframe especially at reduced or while reduc
ing power. I was wondering how you mount your camera because your videos are
so smooth and vibration free. I really like this camera. It's works well. T
hanks, George
>>
>> Have a great day!
>>
>>> On Jul 28, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Larry Cottrell w
rote:
>>>
>>> The settings that I use fits my needs best, and are as follows.
>>> video mode 1080P
>>> field of view- Ultra Zoom
>>> Loop- off
>>> Auto Record- When moving
>>> Digital Stabilizer- on
>>> Lens correction- check
>>>
>>> Of all the settings on the camera, the "Ultra Zoom" is the most importa
nt and gets rid of the fish eye effect.
>>>
>>> I use Auto record simply because it makes its use "fool proof". I do hav
e a remote, but I am so ingenious that I can still screw it up. With a good M
icro SD card it will record up to about 6 hours, and none of us has that muc
h range. You can still activate the camera while the virb is recording with t
he remote. The camera has Wifi, but its line of sight and not as reliable as
a real remote.
>>>
>>> If you want to see the G Metrix (Speed etc) you will have to use the edi
ting program that comes with the camera. It ( to me) seems to be a bit diffi
cult to use, but then I probably haven't invested the time to learn it. I ma
ke a basic cut of what I want to show, then export it to a folder on my comp
uter. I will then import it into Cyberlink editing program and finish it the
re.
>>>
>>> If there is any way that I can help you with it don't hesitate to ask.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to some videos from you.
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> --
>>> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of o
thers.
>>>
>>> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email add
ress before sending.
>
>
>
> --
> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of oth
ers.
>
> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email addre
ss before sending.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Twinstar fuel tank options |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
Yep; very early kit=2E Hard to visualize either under-wing or over-the-top
fueling, with the fill neck a few inches under the wing=2E It's tempting to
mount that 8gal tank on the boom tube, under the engine, if it won't cause
cg issues=2E
I enjoy acro, but I think I'll control the urge while flying
this one=2E :-)
Thanks for the insight=2E
=81=A3Sent from BlueMail
=8B
On Jul 31, 2017, 4:10 PM, at 4:10 PM, George Helton wrote:
@gmail=2Ecom>
>
>I think this a matter of personal preference=2E I prefer s
tationary
>mounting=2E I don't enjoy restrapping a heavy tank back in place
every
>time=2E You must have an original Twinstar=2E The Twinstar MKII lik
e I
>built had the fuel tanks (2) mounted behind you with a covered
>firew
all so they really couldn't be removed=2E
>In the early days, 1983, ultral
ighters who flew Phantoms and Avengers
>use to use top feeders with flexibl
e fuel hose inside the the tank with
>weighted ends on them for aerobatics
and inverted flight =2E The fuel
>pickup hose could move from bottom air fe
eder to top feeder=2E They also
>equipped the engines with pumper type carb
s for sustained inverted
>flight=2E Was never my bag=2E
>I just prefer not
taken things apart and putting them back together=2E
>That's just my input
=2E You know how opinions go=2E Whatever works for you=2E
>George H=2E
>Fir
estar , FS100
>14GDH
>Mesick, Michigan
>gdhelton@gmail=2Ecom
>
>Have a gre
at day!
>
>> On Jul 31, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Charlie England
>wrote:
>>
>> yet=2E
>
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| Subject: | Re: Balancing Tundra tires... |
| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
>
> Hello Kolbers,
>
> A few weeks back I finished a project, with Larry and Boyds help, and I promised
to share it with the List.
> So here goes.
>
> I had never thought of balancing the tires on my plane, and if I had not bought
the Desser 8.50 x 6 inch tires, I am not sure it would matter.
> As you probably remember Larry posted another example of his homestead creativity,
where he melted down what looked like about a 1/2 pound of .357 lead wad
cutter, poured them into appropriately sized molds to balance each wheel, then
when they cooled he hot glued these custom weights to his rims and balanced
his tundra tires.
>
> Larry and Boyd said the better way to balance a tire is out at the tread" rather
than at the center, and encouraged me to try it. I discovered that the front
bias ply tires of tractor trailer rigs are in fact balanced using leaded patch
stuck on the inside of the tire.
> These leaded patches are of a scale way beyond what I needed. I found however
that regular radial truck tire patches were heavy enough.
>
> I balanced my tires by spinning them on a dowel to find the light spots. By taping
1/4 oz, lead car tire weights, to the outside of my Tundra tires tread I
determined that it only required 1 3/4 oz of lead to balance my first tire, verses
5 oz taped on the rim. The other tire required 6 oz on the rim and 2 oz
on the tread.
>
> I then mounted radial tire patches to the appropriate locations on the inside
of the tires to balance the tires. The first tire was balanced with one patch
glued to the inside of the tire. The second tire required two patches trimmed
down and mated together to form one slightly elongated patch. Ideally the patches
would be mounted to the tubes, but I did not think I was a good enough Tire
technician to pull that off. Putting the tubes in and out of the tires was
the hardest part of the whole project for me, and I felt it unlikely that I would
get the patches in the correct position on the tubes.
>
> Time will tell how this approach works out.
>
> For what it is worth,
>
> Nick Cassara
> Palmer, Alaska
>
> Kolb Kolbra Prototype about 90% done
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Balancing Tundra tires... |
| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
>
> Hello Kolbers,
>
> A few weeks back I finished a project, with Larry and Boyds help, and I promised
to share it with the List.
> So here goes.
>
> I had never thought of balancing the tires on my plane, and if I had not bought
the Desser 8.50 x 6 inch tires, I am not sure it would matter.
> As you probably remember Larry posted another example of his homestead creativity,
where he melted down what looked like about a 1/2 pound of .357 lead wad
cutter, poured them into appropriately sized molds to balance each wheel, then
when they cooled he hot glued these custom weights to his rims and balanced
his tundra tires.
>
> Larry and Boyd said the better way to balance a tire is out at the tread" rather
than at the center, and encouraged me to try it. I discovered that the front
bias ply tires of tractor trailer rigs are in fact balanced using leaded patch
stuck on the inside of the tire.
> These leaded patches are of a scale way beyond what I needed. I found however
that regular radial truck tire patches were heavy enough.
>
> I balanced my tires by spinning them on a dowel to find the light spots. By taping
1/4 oz, lead car tire weights, to the outside of my Tundra tires tread I
determined that it only required 1 3/4 oz of lead to balance my first tire, verses
5 oz taped on the rim. The other tire required 6 oz on the rim and 2 oz
on the tread.
>
> I then mounted radial tire patches to the appropriate locations on the inside
of the tires to balance the tires. The first tire was balanced with one patch
glued to the inside of the tire. The second tire required two patches trimmed
down and mated together to form one slightly elongated patch. Ideally the patches
would be mounted to the tubes, but I did not think I was a good enough Tire
technician to pull that off. Putting the tubes in and out of the tires was
the hardest part of the whole project for me, and I felt it unlikely that I would
get the patches in the correct position on the tubes.
>
> Time will tell how this approach works out.
>
> For what it is worth,
>
> Nick Cassara
> Palmer, Alaska
>
> Kolb Kolbra Prototype about 90% done
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Balancing Tundra tires... |
| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
>
> Hello Kolbers,
>
> A few weeks back I finished a project, with Larry and Boyds help, and I promised
to share it with the List.
> So here goes.
>
> I had never thought of balancing the tires on my plane, and if I had not bought
the Desser 8.50 x 6 inch tires, I am not sure it would matter.
> As you probably remember Larry posted another example of his homestead creativity,
where he melted down what looked like about a 1/2 pound of .357 lead wad
cutter, poured them into appropriately sized molds to balance each wheel, then
when they cooled he hot glued these custom weights to his rims and balanced
his tundra tires.
>
> Larry and Boyd said the better way to balance a tire is out at the tread" rather
than at the center, and encouraged me to try it. I discovered that the front
bias ply tires of tractor trailer rigs are in fact balanced using leaded patch
stuck on the inside of the tire.
> These leaded patches are of a scale way beyond what I needed. I found however
that regular radial truck tire patches were heavy enough.
>
> I balanced my tires by spinning them on a dowel to find the light spots. By taping
1/4 oz, lead car tire weights, to the outside of my Tundra tires tread I
determined that it only required 1 3/4 oz of lead to balance my first tire, verses
5 oz taped on the rim. The other tire required 6 oz on the rim and 2 oz
on the tread.
>
> I then mounted radial tire patches to the appropriate locations on the inside
of the tires to balance the tires. The first tire was balanced with one patch
glued to the inside of the tire. The second tire required two patches trimmed
down and mated together to form one slightly elongated patch. Ideally the patches
would be mounted to the tubes, but I did not think I was a good enough Tire
technician to pull that off. Putting the tubes in and out of the tires was
the hardest part of the whole project for me, and I felt it unlikely that I would
get the patches in the correct position on the tubes.
>
> Time will tell how this approach works out.
>
> For what it is worth,
>
> Nick Cassara
> Palmer, Alaska
>
> Kolb Kolbra Prototype about 90% done
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Balancing Tundra tires... |
| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
>
> Hello Kolbers,
>
> A few weeks back I finished a project, with Larry and Boyds help, and I promised
to share it with the List.
> So here goes.
>
> I had never thought of balancing the tires on my plane, and if I had not bought
the Desser 8.50 x 6 inch tires, I am not sure it would matter.
> As you probably remember Larry posted another example of his homestead creativity,
where he melted down what looked like about a 1/2 pound of .357 lead wad
cutter, poured them into appropriately sized molds to balance each wheel, then
when they cooled he hot glued these custom weights to his rims and balanced
his tundra tires.
>
> Larry and Boyd said the better way to balance a tire is out at the tread" rather
than at the center, and encouraged me to try it. I discovered that the front
bias ply tires of tractor trailer rigs are in fact balanced using leaded patch
stuck on the inside of the tire.
> These leaded patches are of a scale way beyond what I needed. I found however
that regular radial truck tire patches were heavy enough.
>
> I balanced my tires by spinning them on a dowel to find the light spots. By taping
1/4 oz, lead car tire weights, to the outside of my Tundra tires tread I
determined that it only required 1 3/4 oz of lead to balance my first tire, verses
5 oz taped on the rim. The other tire required 6 oz on the rim and 2 oz
on the tread.
>
> I then mounted radial tire patches to the appropriate locations on the inside
of the tires to balance the tires. The first tire was balanced with one patch
glued to the inside of the tire. The second tire required two patches trimmed
down and mated together to form one slightly elongated patch. Ideally the patches
would be mounted to the tubes, but I did not think I was a good enough Tire
technician to pull that off. Putting the tubes in and out of the tires was
the hardest part of the whole project for me, and I felt it unlikely that I would
get the patches in the correct position on the tubes.
>
> Time will tell how this approach works out.
>
> For what it is worth,
>
> Nick Cassara
> Palmer, Alaska
>
> Kolb Kolbra Prototype about 90% done
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Balancing Tundra tires... |
| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
>
> Hello Kolbers,
>
> A few weeks back I finished a project, with Larry and Boyds help, and I promised
to share it with the List.
> So here goes.
>
> I had never thought of balancing the tires on my plane, and if I had not bought
the Desser 8.50 x 6 inch tires, I am not sure it would matter.
> As you probably remember Larry posted another example of his homestead creativity,
where he melted down what looked like about a 1/2 pound of .357 lead wad
cutter, poured them into appropriately sized molds to balance each wheel, then
when they cooled he hot glued these custom weights to his rims and balanced
his tundra tires.
>
> Larry and Boyd said the better way to balance a tire is out at the tread" rather
than at the center, and encouraged me to try it. I discovered that the front
bias ply tires of tractor trailer rigs are in fact balanced using leaded patch
stuck on the inside of the tire.
> These leaded patches are of a scale way beyond what I needed. I found however
that regular radial truck tire patches were heavy enough.
>
> I balanced my tires by spinning them on a dowel to find the light spots. By taping
1/4 oz, lead car tire weights, to the outside of my Tundra tires tread I
determined that it only required 1 3/4 oz of lead to balance my first tire, verses
5 oz taped on the rim. The other tire required 6 oz on the rim and 2 oz
on the tread.
>
> I then mounted radial tire patches to the appropriate locations on the inside
of the tires to balance the tires. The first tire was balanced with one patch
glued to the inside of the tire. The second tire required two patches trimmed
down and mated together to form one slightly elongated patch. Ideally the patches
would be mounted to the tubes, but I did not think I was a good enough Tire
technician to pull that off. Putting the tubes in and out of the tires was
the hardest part of the whole project for me, and I felt it unlikely that I would
get the patches in the correct position on the tubes.
>
> Time will tell how this approach works out.
>
> For what it is worth,
>
> Nick Cassara
> Palmer, Alaska
>
> Kolb Kolbra Prototype about 90% done
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Balancing Tundra tires... |
Sounds like a great idea. I didn't know about farm tractors and semi-trucks using
this method. A lot less weight to get the job done.
Boy, those tires would look good on Miss P'fer. ;-)
Your post reminded me of delivering some 800X6 tires and tubes from Palmer, AK,
to the Rock House in Oregon a couple years ago.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Cassara
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 8:28 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Balancing Tundra tires...
>
> Hello Kolbers,
>
> A few weeks back I finished a project, with Larry and Boyds help, and I promised
to share it with the List.
> So here goes.
>
> I had never thought of balancing the tires on my plane, and if I had not bought
the Desser 8.50 x 6 inch tires, I am not sure it would matter.
> As you probably remember Larry posted another example of his homestead creativity,
where he melted down what looked like about a 1/2 pound of .357 lead wad
cutter, poured them into appropriately sized molds to balance each wheel, then
when they cooled he hot glued these custom weights to his rims and balanced
his tundra tires.
>
> Larry and Boyd said the better way to balance a tire is out at the tread" rather
than at the center, and encouraged me to try it. I discovered that the front
bias ply tires of tractor trailer rigs are in fact balanced using leaded patch
stuck on the inside of the tire.
> These leaded patches are of a scale way beyond what I needed. I found however
that regular radial truck tire patches were heavy enough.
>
> I balanced my tires by spinning them on a dowel to find the light spots. By taping
1/4 oz, lead car tire weights, to the outside of my Tundra tires tread I
determined that it only required 1 3/4 oz of lead to balance my first tire, verses
5 oz taped on the rim. The other tire required 6 oz on the rim and 2 oz
on the tread.
>
> I then mounted radial tire patches to the appropriate locations on the inside
of the tires to balance the tires. The first tire was balanced with one patch
glued to the inside of the tire. The second tire required two patches trimmed
down and mated together to form one slightly elongated patch. Ideally the patches
would be mounted to the tubes, but I did not think I was a good enough Tire
technician to pull that off. Putting the tubes in and out of the tires was
the hardest part of the whole project for me, and I felt it unlikely that I would
get the patches in the correct position on the tubes.
>
> Time will tell how this approach works out.
>
> For what it is worth,
>
> Nick Cassara
> Palmer, Alaska
>
> Kolb Kolbra Prototype about 90% done
>
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| Subject: | Re: Balancing Tundra tires... |
| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
>
> Hello Kolbers,
>
> A few weeks back I finished a project, with Larry and Boyds help, and I promised
to share it with the List.
> So here goes.
>
> I had never thought of balancing the tires on my plane, and if I had not bought
the Desser 8.50 x 6 inch tires, I am not sure it would matter.
> As you probably remember Larry posted another example of his homestead creativity,
where he melted down what looked like about a 1/2 pound of .357 lead wad
cutter, poured them into appropriately sized molds to balance each wheel, then
when they cooled he hot glued these custom weights to his rims and balanced
his tundra tires.
>
> Larry and Boyd said the better way to balance a tire is out at the tread" rather
than at the center, and encouraged me to try it. I discovered that the front
bias ply tires of tractor trailer rigs are in fact balanced using leaded patch
stuck on the inside of the tire.
> These leaded patches are of a scale way beyond what I needed. I found however
that regular radial truck tire patches were heavy enough.
>
> I balanced my tires by spinning them on a dowel to find the light spots. By taping
1/4 oz, lead car tire weights, to the outside of my Tundra tires tread I
determined that it only required 1 3/4 oz of lead to balance my first tire, verses
5 oz taped on the rim. The other tire required 6 oz on the rim and 2 oz
on the tread.
>
> I then mounted radial tire patches to the appropriate locations on the inside
of the tires to balance the tires. The first tire was balanced with one patch
glued to the inside of the tire. The second tire required two patches trimmed
down and mated together to form one slightly elongated patch. Ideally the patches
would be mounted to the tubes, but I did not think I was a good enough Tire
technician to pull that off. Putting the tubes in and out of the tires was
the hardest part of the whole project for me, and I felt it unlikely that I would
get the patches in the correct position on the tubes.
>
> Time will tell how this approach works out.
>
> For what it is worth,
>
> Nick Cassara
> Palmer, Alaska
>
> Kolb Kolbra Prototype about 90% done
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Balancing Tundra tires... |
| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
>
> Hello Kolbers,
>
> A few weeks back I finished a project, with Larry and Boyds help, and I promised
to share it with the List.
> So here goes.
>
> I had never thought of balancing the tires on my plane, and if I had not bought
the Desser 8.50 x 6 inch tires, I am not sure it would matter.
> As you probably remember Larry posted another example of his homestead creativity,
where he melted down what looked like about a 1/2 pound of .357 lead wad
cutter, poured them into appropriately sized molds to balance each wheel, then
when they cooled he hot glued these custom weights to his rims and balanced
his tundra tires.
>
> Larry and Boyd said the better way to balance a tire is out at the tread" rather
than at the center, and encouraged me to try it. I discovered that the front
bias ply tires of tractor trailer rigs are in fact balanced using leaded patch
stuck on the inside of the tire.
> These leaded patches are of a scale way beyond what I needed. I found however
that regular radial truck tire patches were heavy enough.
>
> I balanced my tires by spinning them on a dowel to find the light spots. By taping
1/4 oz, lead car tire weights, to the outside of my Tundra tires tread I
determined that it only required 1 3/4 oz of lead to balance my first tire, verses
5 oz taped on the rim. The other tire required 6 oz on the rim and 2 oz
on the tread.
>
> I then mounted radial tire patches to the appropriate locations on the inside
of the tires to balance the tires. The first tire was balanced with one patch
glued to the inside of the tire. The second tire required two patches trimmed
down and mated together to form one slightly elongated patch. Ideally the patches
would be mounted to the tubes, but I did not think I was a good enough Tire
technician to pull that off. Putting the tubes in and out of the tires was
the hardest part of the whole project for me, and I felt it unlikely that I would
get the patches in the correct position on the tubes.
>
> Time will tell how this approach works out.
>
> For what it is worth,
>
> Nick Cassara
> Palmer, Alaska
>
> Kolb Kolbra Prototype about 90% done
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Balancing Tundra tires... |
| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
>
> Hello Kolbers,
>
> A few weeks back I finished a project, with Larry and Boyds help, and I promised
to share it with the List.
> So here goes.
>
> I had never thought of balancing the tires on my plane, and if I had not bought
the Desser 8.50 x 6 inch tires, I am not sure it would matter.
> As you probably remember Larry posted another example of his homestead creativity,
where he melted down what looked like about a 1/2 pound of .357 lead wad
cutter, poured them into appropriately sized molds to balance each wheel, then
when they cooled he hot glued these custom weights to his rims and balanced
his tundra tires.
>
> Larry and Boyd said the better way to balance a tire is out at the tread" rather
than at the center, and encouraged me to try it. I discovered that the front
bias ply tires of tractor trailer rigs are in fact balanced using leaded patch
stuck on the inside of the tire.
> These leaded patches are of a scale way beyond what I needed. I found however
that regular radial truck tire patches were heavy enough.
>
> I balanced my tires by spinning them on a dowel to find the light spots. By taping
1/4 oz, lead car tire weights, to the outside of my Tundra tires tread I
determined that it only required 1 3/4 oz of lead to balance my first tire, verses
5 oz taped on the rim. The other tire required 6 oz on the rim and 2 oz
on the tread.
>
> I then mounted radial tire patches to the appropriate locations on the inside
of the tires to balance the tires. The first tire was balanced with one patch
glued to the inside of the tire. The second tire required two patches trimmed
down and mated together to form one slightly elongated patch. Ideally the patches
would be mounted to the tubes, but I did not think I was a good enough Tire
technician to pull that off. Putting the tubes in and out of the tires was
the hardest part of the whole project for me, and I felt it unlikely that I would
get the patches in the correct position on the tubes.
>
> Time will tell how this approach works out.
>
> For what it is worth,
>
> Nick Cassara
> Palmer, Alaska
>
> Kolb Kolbra Prototype about 90% done
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David Kulp <undoctor(at)rcn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Balancing Tundra tires... |
Nick, I've been using balancing beads in my cycle tires for years. Same
idea, balancing at outer circumference, but there's no user adjustment. As
soon as the wheel spins the beads position themselves to balance the wheel
perfectly. Got 15K miles on the last front tire on my BMW K1600GTL. Coming
on 30K now with some tread remaining.
I've never had a problem but I do remind the techy to be careful not to
splash tire lube inside. I buy "large" quantities online and weigh out 2
oz. on a postal scale each time.
FWIW.
Dave Kulp
no Kolb except by blood
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On July 31, 2017 9:31:12 PM Nick Cassara wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Hello Kolbers,
>>
>> A few weeks back I finished a project, with Larry and Boyds help, and I
>> promised to share it with the List.
>> So here goes.
>>
>> I had never thought of balancing the tires on my plane, and if I had not
>> bought the Desser 8.50 x 6 inch tires, I am not sure it would matter.
>> As you probably remember Larry posted another example of his homestead
>> creativity, where he melted down what looked like about a 1/2 pound of .357
>> lead wad cutter, poured them into appropriately sized molds to balance each
>> wheel, then when they cooled he hot glued these custom weights to his rims
>> and balanced his tundra tires.
>>
>> Larry and Boyd said the better way to balance a tire is out at the tread"
>> rather than at the center, and encouraged me to try it. I discovered that
>> the front bias ply tires of tractor trailer rigs are in fact balanced using
>> leaded patch stuck on the inside of the tire.
>> These leaded patches are of a scale way beyond what I needed. I found
>> however that regular radial truck tire patches were heavy enough.
>>
>> I balanced my tires by spinning them on a dowel to find the light spots. By
>> taping 1/4 oz, lead car tire weights, to the outside of my Tundra tires
>> tread I determined that it only required 1 3/4 oz of lead to balance my
>> first tire, verses 5 oz taped on the rim. The other tire required 6 oz on
>> the rim and 2 oz on the tread.
>>
>> I then mounted radial tire patches to the appropriate locations on the
>> inside of the tires to balance the tires. The first tire was balanced with
>> one patch glued to the inside of the tire. The second tire required two
>> patches trimmed down and mated together to form one slightly elongated
>> patch. Ideally the patches would be mounted to the tubes, but I did not
>> think I was a good enough Tire technician to pull that off. Putting the
>> tubes in and out of the tires was the hardest part of the whole project for
>> me, and I felt it unlikely that I would get the patches in the correct
>> position on the tubes.
>>
>> Time will tell how this approach works out.
>>
>> For what it is worth,
>>
>> Nick Cassara
>> Palmer, Alaska
>>
>> Kolb Kolbra Prototype about 90% done
>>
>
>
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| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Balancing Tundra tires... |
David and Kolb enthusiast
>From my research,,, and I did suggest to Larry that he try them....
The tire beads do work,,, but they don't start until you reach around 30
mph. From the time I go from 30 to when my wheels are off the ground is
of a short enough duration,, that I no longer think the beads have a
chance to position themselves.... This was noted by another mkiii
driver.
Dyna beads list aircraft, generically, on their web sight,, but do not
have a page showing how many beads to use... Too many sizes and weights.
When I sent an email on their contact page they were good to reply, when
supplied with wheel weights and dimensions, they made suggestions of how
many beads to use. I currently have a set on my desk, but I am now to
gun-shy to try.
Boyd Young
On Aug 1, 2017 7:01 AM, "David Kulp" wrote:
>
> Nick, I've been using balancing beads in my cycle tires for years. Same
> idea, balancing at outer circumference, but there's no user adjustment.
As
> soon as the wheel spins the beads position themselves to balance the whee
l
> perfectly. Got 15K miles on the last front tire on my BMW K1600GTL. Comin
g
> on 30K now with some tread remaining.
>
> I've never had a problem but I do remind the techy to be careful not to
> splash tire lube inside. I buy "large" quantities online and weigh out 2
> oz. on a postal scale each time.
>
> FWIW.
> Dave Kulp
>
> no Kolb except by blood=F0=9F=98'
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
>
> On July 31, 2017 9:31:12 PM Nick Cassara wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hello Kolbers,
>>>
>>> A few weeks back I finished a project, with Larry and Boyd=99s he
lp, and I
>>> promised to share it with the =9CList=9D.
>>> So here goes.
>>>
>>> I had never thought of balancing the tires on my plane, and if I had no
t
>>> bought the Desser 8.50 x 6 inch tires, I am not sure it would matter.
>>> As you probably remember Larry posted another example of his homestead
>>> creativity, where he melted down what looked like about a 1/2 pound of
.357
>>> lead wad cutter, poured them into appropriately sized molds to balance
each
>>> wheel, then when they cooled he hot glued these custom weights to his r
ims
>>> and balanced his tundra tires.
>>>
>>> Larry and Boyd said the better way to balance a tire =9Cis out at
the
>>> tread" rather than at the center, and encouraged me to try it. I discov
ered
>>> that the front bias ply tires of tractor trailer rigs are in fact balan
ced
>>> using =9Cleaded patch=9D stuck on the inside of the tire.
>>> These leaded patches are of a scale way beyond what I needed. I found
>>> however that regular radial truck tire patches were heavy enough.
>>>
>>> I balanced my tires by spinning them on a dowel to find the light spots
.
>>> By taping 1/4 oz, lead car tire weights, to the outside of my Tundra ti
res
>>> =9Ctread=9D I determined that it only required 1 3/4 oz of
lead to balance my
>>> first tire, verses 5 oz taped on the rim. The other tire required 6 oz
on
>>> the rim and 2 oz on the tread.
>>>
>>> I then mounted radial tire patches to the appropriate locations on the
>>> inside of the tires to balance the tires. The first tire was balanced w
ith
>>> one patch glued to the inside of the tire. The second tire required two
>>> patches trimmed down and mated together to form one slightly elongated
>>> patch. Ideally the patches would be mounted to the tubes, but I did not
>>> think I was a good enough Tire technician to pull that off. Putting the
>>> tubes in and out of the tires was the hardest part of the whole project
for
>>> me, and I felt it unlikely that I would get the patches in the correct
>>> position on the tubes.
>>>
>>> Time will tell how this approach works out.
>>>
>>> For what it is worth,
>>>
>>> Nick Cassara
>>> Palmer, Alaska
>>>
>>> Kolb Kolbra Prototype about 90% done
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Balancing Tundra tires... |
Nick, I've been using balancing beads in my cycle tires for years. Same
idea, balancing at outer circumference, but there's no user adjustment. As
soon as the wheel spins the beads position themselves to balance the wheel
perfectly. Got 15K miles on the last front tire on my BMW K1600GTL. Coming
on 30K now with some tread remaining.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The first thing I tried was balancing beads. I ordered some from O'Reilly's
but could never get any of them in the tube. The tubes for these Tundra
tires has an opening so small I could never get anything in them. I tried
every method on You tube, and as far as I know never got a single bead in
the tube. That's when I gave up and made my own weights.
The beads were very small, but not small enough to get them aywhere but the
floor.
Larry
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| From: | David Kulp <undoctor(at)rcn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Balancing Tundra tires... |
Hey Boyd,
Thanks for the input. I have never been able to tell at what speed they
balance, I think because as soon as the wheel begins to show a need for
balance the beads position themselves to eliminate the need. I believe
30K miles on just two front tires supports my trust in them. I personally
wouldn't hesitate to use them in an airplane if I had one.
Dave
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On August 1, 2017 9:29:47 AM B Young wrote:
> David and Kolb enthusiast
>
>>From my research,,, and I did suggest to Larry that he try them....
> The tire beads do work,,, but they don't start until you reach around 30
> mph. From the time I go from 30 to when my wheels are off the ground is
> of a short enough duration,, that I no longer think the beads have a
> chance to position themselves.... This was noted by another mkiii
> driver.
> Dyna beads list aircraft, generically, on their web sight,, but do not
> have a page showing how many beads to use... Too many sizes and weights.
> When I sent an email on their contact page they were good to reply, when
> supplied with wheel weights and dimensions, they made suggestions of how
> many beads to use. I currently have a set on my desk, but I am now to
> gun-shy to try.
>
> Boyd Young
>
> On Aug 1, 2017 7:01 AM, "David Kulp" wrote:
>
>>
>> Nick, I've been using balancing beads in my cycle tires for years. Same
>> idea, balancing at outer circumference, but there's no user adjustment. As
>> soon as the wheel spins the beads position themselves to balance the wheel
>> perfectly. Got 15K miles on the last front tire on my BMW K1600GTL. Coming
>> on 30K now with some tread remaining.
>>
>> I've never had a problem but I do remind the techy to be careful not to
>> splash tire lube inside. I buy "large" quantities online and weigh out 2
>> oz. on a postal scale each time.
>>
>> FWIW.
>> Dave Kulp
>>
>> no Kolb except by blood
>>
>> Sent with AquaMail for Android
>> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>>
>>
>> On July 31, 2017 9:31:12 PM Nick Cassara wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello Kolbers,
>>>>
>>>> A few weeks back I finished a project, with Larry and Boyds help, and I
>>>> promised to share it with the List.
>>>> So here goes.
>>>>
>>>> I had never thought of balancing the tires on my plane, and if I had not
>>>> bought the Desser 8.50 x 6 inch tires, I am not sure it would matter.
>>>> As you probably remember Larry posted another example of his homestead
>>>> creativity, where he melted down what looked like about a 1/2 pound of .357
>>>> lead wad cutter, poured them into appropriately sized molds to balance each
>>>> wheel, then when they cooled he hot glued these custom weights to his rims
>>>> and balanced his tundra tires.
>>>>
>>>> Larry and Boyd said the better way to balance a tire is out at the
>>>> tread" rather than at the center, and encouraged me to try it. I discovered
>>>> that the front bias ply tires of tractor trailer rigs are in fact balanced
>>>> using leaded patch stuck on the inside of the tire.
>>>> These leaded patches are of a scale way beyond what I needed. I found
>>>> however that regular radial truck tire patches were heavy enough.
>>>>
>>>> I balanced my tires by spinning them on a dowel to find the light spots.
>>>> By taping 1/4 oz, lead car tire weights, to the outside of my Tundra tires
>>>> tread I determined that it only required 1 3/4 oz of lead to balance my
>>>> first tire, verses 5 oz taped on the rim. The other tire required 6 oz on
>>>> the rim and 2 oz on the tread.
>>>>
>>>> I then mounted radial tire patches to the appropriate locations on the
>>>> inside of the tires to balance the tires. The first tire was balanced with
>>>> one patch glued to the inside of the tire. The second tire required two
>>>> patches trimmed down and mated together to form one slightly elongated
>>>> patch. Ideally the patches would be mounted to the tubes, but I did not
>>>> think I was a good enough Tire technician to pull that off. Putting the
>>>> tubes in and out of the tires was the hardest part of the whole project for
>>>> me, and I felt it unlikely that I would get the patches in the correct
>>>> position on the tubes.
>>>>
>>>> Time will tell how this approach works out.
>>>>
>>>> For what it is worth,
>>>>
>>>> Nick Cassara
>>>> Palmer, Alaska
>>>>
>>>> Kolb Kolbra Prototype about 90% done
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Sorry about the duplicate messages |
Kolbers,
Sorry about the duplicate messagesnot only did your have the option of reading
my post eight times, but I received a message that my post was undeliverable.amazing
what my ignorance is capable some times!
Nick Cassara
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| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Sorry about the duplicate messages |
Kolbers,
Sorry about the duplicate messagesnot only did your have the option of reading
my post eight times, but I received a message that my post was undeliverable.amazing
what my ignorance is capable some times!
Nick Cassara
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sorry about the duplicate messages |
Perhaps your inexperience is just due to the fact that you don't post often
enough.
Larry
On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Nick Cassara wrote:
>
> Kolbers,
>
> Sorry about the duplicate messagesnot only did your have the opt
ion of
> reading my post eight times, but I received a message that my post was
> undeliverable.amazing what my ignorance is capable some times!
>
> Nick Cassara
>
>
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| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Sorry about the duplicate messages |
Kolbers,
Sorry about the duplicate messagesnot only did your have the option of reading
my post eight times, but I received a message that my post was undeliverable.amazing
what my ignorance is capable some times!
Nick Cassara
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| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Sorry about the duplicate messages |
Kolbers,
Sorry about the duplicate messagesnot only did your have the option of reading
my post eight times, but I received a message that my post was undeliverable.amazing
what my ignorance is capable some times!
Nick Cassara
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Sorry about the duplicate messages |
Kolbers,
Sorry about the duplicate messagesnot only did your have the option of reading
my post eight times, but I received a message that my post was undeliverable.amazing
what my ignorance is capable some times!
Nick Cassara
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Balancing Tundra tires... |
Nick,
I too use the beads in my motorcycle tires with great success. So much so I put
them in my Ford Explorer at last tire change. I wouldn't hesitate to try them
in the Firefly tires if the need ever arises.
The question of when they "kick in" is a bit tricky for me to figure out. Your
tire would be turning faster than a motorcycle tire so the centripetal force would
be greater, but the distance from the axle would be shorter so that may negate
the increased rotational speed.
As for getting the beads into the tires. Are you using tubes? If not, seat the
tire, then deflate and break one bead. Push it down and pour the beads in. If
you have a tube the valve stem should be the same size as any other tire. Take
the core out and put a short piece of 1/4" hose on the stem. Put the beads in
a small squeeze bottle that has a spout on it. Insert spout into hose and squeeze
gently. If the beads bind up in the tube gently tap the valve stem with a
screwdriver or something and they will flow in. Remember, just go slow.
Make sure that there is no left over lube in the tire as it will cause the beads
to clump together.
Hope this helps,
Stuart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Cassara
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 8:28 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Balancing Tundra tires...
>
> Hello Kolbers,
>
> A few weeks back I finished a project, with Larry and Boyds help, and I promised
to share it with the List.
> So here goes.
>
> I had never thought of balancing the tires on my plane, and if I had not bought
the Desser 8.50 x 6 inch tires, I am not sure it would matter.
> As you probably remember Larry posted another example of his homestead creativity,
where he melted down what looked like about a 1/2 pound of .357 lead wad
cutter, poured them into appropriately sized molds to balance each wheel, then
when they cooled he hot glued these custom weights to his rims and balanced
his tundra tires.
>
> Larry and Boyd said the better way to balance a tire is out at the tread" rather
than at the center, and encouraged me to try it. I discovered that the front
bias ply tires of tractor trailer rigs are in fact balanced using leaded patch
stuck on the inside of the tire.
> These leaded patches are of a scale way beyond what I needed. I found however
that regular radial truck tire patches were heavy enough.
>
> I balanced my tires by spinning them on a dowel to find the light spots. By taping
1/4 oz, lead car tire weights, to the outside of my Tundra tires tread I
determined that it only required 1 3/4 oz of lead to balance my first tire, verses
5 oz taped on the rim. The other tire required 6 oz on the rim and 2 oz
on the tread.
>
> I then mounted radial tire patches to the appropriate locations on the inside
of the tires to balance the tires. The first tire was balanced with one patch
glued to the inside of the tire. The second tire required two patches trimmed
down and mated together to form one slightly elongated patch. Ideally the patches
would be mounted to the tubes, but I did not think I was a good enough Tire
technician to pull that off. Putting the tubes in and out of the tires was
the hardest part of the whole project for me, and I felt it unlikely that I would
get the patches in the correct position on the tubes.
>
> Time will tell how this approach works out.
>
> For what it is worth,
>
> Nick Cassara
> Palmer, Alaska
>
> Kolb Kolbra Prototype about 90% done
>
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| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Sorry about the duplicate messages |
Kolbers,
Sorry about the duplicate messagesnot only did your have the option of reading
my post eight times, but I received a message that my post was undeliverable.amazing
what my ignorance is capable some times!
Nick Cassara
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Balancing Tundra tires... |
On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Stuart Harner
wrote:
>
>
> As for getting the beads into the tires. Are you using tubes? If not, seat
> the tire, then deflate and break one bead. Push it down and pour the beads
> in. If you have a tube the valve stem should be the same size as any other
> tire. Take the core out and put a short piece of 1/4" hose on the stem. Put
> the beads in a small squeeze bottle that has a spout on it. Insert spout
> into hose and squeeze gently. If the beads bind up in the tube gently tap
> the valve stem with a screwdriver or something and they will flow in.
> Remember, just go slow.
>
> Make sure that there is no left over lube in the tire as it will cause the
> beads to clump together.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Stuart
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> I decided that the tube for the tundra's was a special tube and perhaps
> the opening under the valve stem was different from other tires. In any
> case I used fuel line to fit over the stem. (valve stem removed of course)
> tried to tap them into the tube. Nope balled up! Then saw a you tube video
> of blowing them in with a short burst of air, air- Nope, balled up, or blew
> back out when the air hose was removed. Tried three different times, and
> only got them on the floor. At that point I started melting lead.
>
Larry
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Balancing Tundra tires... |
The day before I departed Alabama to fly to Sherman, TX, to meet my Kolb bu
ddies flying in from Texas and LA, I decided to Slime my main gear tubes.
The year prior, 2008, several Kolbs had tire problems. I knew if I got in
that situation I would be SOL. Takes an act of God to get break the beads
and remove the tubes to repair or replace, if one has a replacement. I dec
ided to Slime them. That would take care of the little problems that might
crop up.
Took off the next morning for our rendezvous at Sherman, TX. Soon as I sta
rted rolling good on takeoff I knew I had made a bad mistake. Thought the
main gear was going to shake the MKIII to pieces. I lived with this super
shake to Monument Valley, UT, Rock House, OR, and all the way back to Alaba
ma. I dreaded taking off and landing. I think a flat tire would have been
easier to live with.
Needless to say I changed out the tubes soon as I got back home. No more S
lime in my airplane tires! I can live with a little tire bounce. Hit the
brakes soon after breaking ground and it is gone. Don't notice it landing
because I am bouncing anyhow.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Balancing Tundra tires...
On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Stuart Harner wrot
e:
As for getting the beads into the tires. Are you using tubes? If not, seat
the tire, then deflate and break one bead. Push it down and pour the beads
in. If you have a tube the valve stem should be the same size as any other
tire. Take the core out and put a short piece of 1/4" hose on the stem. Put
the beads in a small squeeze bottle that has a spout on it. Insert spout i
nto hose and squeeze gently. If the beads bind up in the tube gently tap th
e valve stem with a screwdriver or something and they will flow in. Remembe
r, just go slow.
Make sure that there is no left over lube in the tire as it will cause the
beads to clump together.
Hope this helps,
Stuart
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-------------------------------------------
I decided that the tube for the tundra's was a special tube and perhaps the
opening under the valve stem was different from other tires. In any case I
used fuel line to fit over the stem. (valve stem removed of course) tried
to tap them into the tube. Nope balled up! Then saw a you tube video of blo
wing them in with a short burst of air, air- Nope, balled up, or blew back
out when the air hose was removed. Tried three different times, and only go
t them on the floor. At that point I started melting lead.
Larry
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| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Sorry about the duplicate messages |
Kolbers,
Sorry about the duplicate messagesnot only did your have the option of reading
my post eight times, but I received a message that my post was undeliverable.amazing
what my ignorance is capable some times!
Nick Cassara
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| From: | David Kulp <undoctor(at)rcn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Balancing Tundra tires... |
Larry, the Dyna Beads I bought had a device to get them in the valve stem
shipped with them. Never had to use it since my scoot has tubeless tires.
Just put 2 oz in a baggie and he pours them in.
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On August 1, 2017 9:40:53 AM Larry Cottrell wrote:
>
> Nick, I've been using balancing beads in my cycle tires for years. Same
> idea, balancing at outer circumference, but there's no user adjustment. As
> soon as the wheel spins the beads position themselves to balance the wheel
> perfectly. Got 15K miles on the last front tire on my BMW K1600GTL. Coming
> on 30K now with some tread remaining.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> The first thing I tried was balancing beads. I ordered some from O'Reilly's
> but could never get any of them in the tube. The tubes for these Tundra
> tires has an opening so small I could never get anything in them. I tried
> every method on You tube, and as far as I know never got a single bead in
> the tube. That's when I gave up and made my own weights.
>
> The beads were very small, but not small enough to get them aywhere but the
> floor.
>
> Larry
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| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Sorry about the duplicate messages |
Kolbers,
Sorry about the duplicate messagesnot only did your have the option of reading
my post eight times, but I received a message that my post was undeliverable.amazing
what my ignorance is capable some times!
Nick Cassara
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Virb settings - Yet another video |
Well Larry this setup seems to help the jitters some. I think a lot of probl
ems are related to harmonic vibrations caused by running a two blade prop. W
hen changing power settings.
I'm going to try a wing mount next. I may try reinforcing under the nose pod
where the camera sits too. Thanks for your help, George
Have a great day!
> On Jul 29, 2017, at 9:46 PM, Larry Cottrell wrot
e:
>
> This is where mine is located. I have tried every where else and this is t
he only place on my plane that gives me a decent video.
>
> I have a pitot tube right through the front of the pod. I think I got it f
rom LEAF and the original attraction is that the pitot tube can be removed. I
had one bent at a airshow. By someones spoiled kid of course, so I got this
one. The shorter you can keep the connections and extensions the firmer the
mount.
>
> The other spot would be on the fold hard point on the wing. You can record
right side up or upside down in the settings, just no in between.
>
> The mount is set up for a drift camera now, you would have to secure the c
radle rather than the screw in. If you are fond of selfies the wing would be
the way to go. :-)
>
> Larry
>
>> On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 7:22 PM, George Helton wrote
:
>> Well Larry, I received my virb elite yesterday. I took it out for a fligh
t this morning. I mounted in the GoPro mount that's on my nose cone of my Fi
restar original. I used all of your settings. The camera works great,color, r
esolution, etc. unfortunately it's weight is a lot more then the GoPro sessi
on5. A half pound verses 2 oz. . Besides wind vibration I'm getting a lot of
resonance vibrations thru the airframe especially at reduced or while reduc
ing power. I was wondering how you mount your camera because your videos are
so smooth and vibration free. I really like this camera. It's works well. T
hanks, George
>>
>> Have a great day!
>>
>>> On Jul 28, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Larry Cottrell w
rote:
>>>
>>> The settings that I use fits my needs best, and are as follows.
>>> video mode 1080P
>>> field of view- Ultra Zoom
>>> Loop- off
>>> Auto Record- When moving
>>> Digital Stabilizer- on
>>> Lens correction- check
>>>
>>> Of all the settings on the camera, the "Ultra Zoom" is the most importa
nt and gets rid of the fish eye effect.
>>>
>>> I use Auto record simply because it makes its use "fool proof". I do hav
e a remote, but I am so ingenious that I can still screw it up. With a good M
icro SD card it will record up to about 6 hours, and none of us has that muc
h range. You can still activate the camera while the virb is recording with t
he remote. The camera has Wifi, but its line of sight and not as reliable as
a real remote.
>>>
>>> If you want to see the G Metrix (Speed etc) you will have to use the edi
ting program that comes with the camera. It ( to me) seems to be a bit diffi
cult to use, but then I probably haven't invested the time to learn it. I ma
ke a basic cut of what I want to show, then export it to a folder on my comp
uter. I will then import it into Cyberlink editing program and finish it the
re.
>>>
>>> If there is any way that I can help you with it don't hesitate to ask.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to some videos from you.
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> --
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thers.
>>>
>>> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email add
ress before sending.
>
>
>
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ers.
>
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ss before sending.
>
>
>
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| From: | "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Water for balance, anyone? |
I have had my 4x4 Suzuki Samurai for over twenty years. I have been
modifying it for all of that time. It was my daily driver for many years. I
have a set of tires and wheels for the street and a set for off-road. Or
F'road. Froad. I'm a froader. :-)
I change my 4x4 tires all the time it seems. I trade for different ones, my
4x4 buds and I like to try different ones for different terrain and regions.
In years past I have tried a number of ways to balance big heavy tires.
Off-road it isn't an issue of course, but sometimes I drive hundreds of
miles to my destination.
After all that, no- I have no special insight. I have tried beads and they
are OK. I remember putting some into an inner-tube but forget the other
details. I used them in tubeless tires too just fine. Then I got lazy. With
big knobby meats in sharp rocks you might lose 1/2 a lug or more, or the
tire can have striations all around the circumference. So sometimes on the
way home it gets bumpy. I started using 2-4 ounces of water in my off-road
tires when needed. I had aluminum wheels. Now I use steel wheels and no
longer use water. Might be OK, just haven't tried it. Water works about the
same as beads IN MY OPINION but I have tried no special objective
measurements to determine that, it's all seat of the pants.
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| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
Hi to all.
A buddy is looking for ideas as to the best way/method to install gap seals on
his Firestar2
Thanks in advance for any help.
Mike
--------
2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471635#471635
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| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
Ideas to install gap seal.
I have a vls brs. The tray for the brs is mounted to the motor mount
tube... I've riveted a 7/8 tube to the brs mounting plate... As I built
ribs for the gap seal they were built in a manner that I could rivet an
internal brace to the 7/8 tube... Then built a faring between the top of
the windshield and bottom of the gap seal, riveting in place.... The
sides of the gap seal are 1/4 to 3/8 inches from the wings..
I can fold the wings without removing the gap seal.
Boyd Young
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
It would appear that Boyd and I are the only ones awake today. I purposely
waited for someone smarter than myself to give you guidance. I suppose he
is out flying.
I have seen three ways to do a gap seal. One is using the fabric that Kolb
gives you. It works, but I never liked it.
The Mark III's all seem to build a solid gap seal such as described by
Boyd. It works well, but I was either never smart enough to build one or
too lazy. I couldn't say for sure which. It works well
The method that I used for my Firestar II is a bent tin front secured to a
piece of lexan with a cut out for a motor or any thing else in the way such
as my muffler. It is secured to the wings with velcro. When you take it
off, just slide a towel or a piece of lexan or cardboard between the two
pieces of velcro and lift it off..
Larry
On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Mcabbage wrote:
>
> Hi to all.
> A buddy is looking for ideas as to the best way/method to install gap
> seals on his Firestar2
> Thanks in advance for any help.
> Mike
>
> --------
> 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
> Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
> Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471635#471635
>
>
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others.*
*If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
address before sending.*
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
Call Helen at Kolb Aircraft. She will make you a fabric gap that is held in p
lace with super 2" wide Velcro. They work great. They hold up well. I had th
e old zipper type originally and these work and hold up just as well or bett
er.
George H.
Firestar, FS# 100
14GDH
Mesick, Michigan
Have a great day!
> On Aug 8, 2017, at 6:59 PM, Mcabbage wrote:
>
>
> Hi to all.
> A buddy is looking for ideas as to the best way/method to install gap seal
s on his Firestar2
> Thanks in advance for any help.
> Mike
>
> --------
> 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
> Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
> Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471635#471635
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 08/08/17 |
Matt, thanks for the great service through the years. Please remove my nam
e and email from the list.
I have sold my MarkIII Extra and will no longer be building or flying a Kol
b.
Thank you again. Thanks to all the Kolbers too.
Bob Green
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| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
Thanks guys
I'm sorry I wasn't more clear in my post.
I was looking for info on sealing the gap between the
wing and airilons. My friend said some folks are using
some kind of new strechy material that is easier to remove
if needed.
Thanks Mike
--------
2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471716#471716
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Oh. You want packaging tape. Check the archives, tons of entries.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
I guess some use book binding tape? I did mine per Kolbs plans using 2" Stitts
polyfiber tape and polybrush. It has lasted since 1986. Still looks great! Do
you want fast and easy or quality?
Have a great day! George H.
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 2:35 PM, Mcabbage wrote:
>
>
> Thanks guys
> I'm sorry I wasn't more clear in my post.
> I was looking for info on sealing the gap between the
> wing and airilons. My friend said some folks are using
> some kind of new strechy material that is easier to remove
> if needed.
> Thanks Mike
>
> --------
> 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
> Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
> Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471716#471716
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "wakataka" <wakataka(at)charter.net> |
Brian Carpenter has come up with a great way to make gap seals from foam pool noodles.
He pulls the noodles through a heated die.
https://electricmotorglider.com/2017/07/15/57-80-10-large-gap-seal/
The resulting foam shape fits snugly between the aileron tube and the trailing
edge of the wing and completely fills in the profile of the wing shape between
the trailing edge and the aileron.
--------
There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of
conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
Mark Twain
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| From: | Jim Thomson <mojaveclimber(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Twinstar fuel tank options |
Air-Tech Inc Ultralights sells a 10 gallon fuel tank. I purchased and
installed two tanks on my Kolb Mk3 and am very happy with the now 20 gallon
fuel capacity.
https://www.air-techinc.com/product_detail.php?pid=1079
Jim
On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Charlie England
wrote:
> Yep; very early kit. Hard to visualize either under-wing or over-the-top
> fueling, with the fill neck a few inches under the wing. It's tempting to
> mount that 8gal tank on the boom tube, under the engine, if it won't caus
e
> cg issues.
>
> I enjoy acro, but I think I'll control the urge while flying this one. :-
)
>
> Thanks for the insight.
>
> Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r?b=10215>
> On Jul 31, 2017, at 4:10 PM, George Helton wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think this a matter of personal preference. I prefer stationary mounti
ng. I don't enjoy restrapping a heavy tank back in place every time. You mu
st have an original Twinstar. The Twinstar MKII like I built had the fuel t
anks (2) mounted behind you with a covered firewall so they really couldn'
t be removed.
>> In the early days, 1983, ultralighters who flew Phantoms and Avengers us
e to use top feeders with flexible fuel hose inside the the tank with weigh
ted ends on them for aerobatics and inverted flight . The fuel pickup hose
could move from bottom air feeder to top feeder. They also equipped the eng
ines with pumper type carbs for sustained inverted flight. Was never my bag
.
>> I just prefer not taken things apart and putting them back together. Tha
t's just my input. You know how opinions go. Whatever works for you.
>> George H.
>> Firestar , FS100
>> 14GDH
>> Mesick, Michigan
>> gdhelton(at)gmail.com
>>
>> Have a great day!
>>
>> On Jul 31, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Charlie England wr
ote:
>>>
>>> yet.
>>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
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| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
Pretty interesting.
Thank you guys.
--------
2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
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| From: | mojavjoe(at)comcast.net |
I tried making the noodle gap seals but because of the way Kolb ailerons are hinged
they pop out.
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "wakataka" <wakataka(at)charter.net>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 9:22:48 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Gap seal
Brian Carpenter has come up with a great way to make gap seals from foam pool noodles.
He pulls the noodles through a heated die.
https://electricmotorglider.com/2017/07/15/57-80-10-large-gap-seal/
The resulting foam shape fits snugly between the aileron tube and the trailing
edge of the wing and completely fills in the profile of the wing shape between
the trailing edge and the aileron.
--------
There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of
conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
Mark Twain
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471770#471770
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
They *look* like they would cause significantly increased control system
drag, due to friction between/among the fixed & moving surfaces and the
noodle. I guess that in some a/c designs, it might not be noticeable.
On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 7:28 AM, wrote:
> I tried making the noodle gap seals but because of the way Kolb ailerons
> are hinged they pop out.
>
> Joe
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"wakataka" <wakataka(at)charter.net>
> *To: *"kolb-list"
> *Sent: *Friday, August 11, 2017 9:22:48 PM
> *Subject: *Kolb-List: Re: Gap seal
>
>
> Brian Carpenter has come up with a great way to make gap seals from foam
> pool noodles. He pulls the noodles through a heated die.
>
> https://electricmotorglider.com/2017/07/15/57-80-10-large-gap-seal/
>
> The resulting foam shape fits snugly between the aileron tube and the
> trailing edge of the wing and completely fills in the profile of the wing
> shape between the trailing edge and the aileron.
>
> --------
> There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale
> returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
>
> Mark Twain
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471770#471770
>
>
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Twinstar fuel tank options |
Looks really nice, but they are quite proud of it. If you could have
settled for 16 gal, you could have bought 2 ea 8 gal tanks for half what
one of the Air-Tech 10 gal tanks costs ($30 each). US Plastic also has a 20
gal tank for ~$160.
https://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=23334&catid=934
Charlie
On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Jim Thomson
wrote:
> Air-Tech Inc Ultralights sells a 10 gallon fuel tank. I purchased and
> installed two tanks on my Kolb Mk3 and am very happy with the now 20 gall
on
> fuel capacity.
>
> https://www.air-techinc.com/product_detail.php?pid=1079
>
> Jim
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Charlie England
> wrote:
>
>> Yep; very early kit. Hard to visualize either under-wing or over-the-top
>> fueling, with the fill neck a few inches under the wing. It's tempting t
o
>> mount that 8gal tank on the boom tube, under the engine, if it won't cau
se
>> cg issues.
>>
>> I enjoy acro, but I think I'll control the urge while flying this one. :
-)
>>
>> Thanks for the insight.
>>
>> Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r?b=10215>
>> On Jul 31, 2017, at 4:10 PM, George Helton wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I think this a matter of personal preference. I prefer stationary mount
ing. I don't enjoy restrapping a heavy tank back in place every time. You m
ust have an original Twinstar. The Twinstar MKII like I built had the fuel
tanks (2) mounted behind you with a covered firewall so they really couldn
't be removed.
>>> In the early days, 1983, ultralighters who flew Phantoms and Avengers u
se to use top feeders with flexible fuel hose inside the the tank with weig
hted ends on them for aerobatics and inverted flight . The fuel pickup hose
could move from bottom air feeder to top feeder. They also equipped the en
gines with pumper type carbs for sustained inverted flight. Was never my ba
g.
>>> I just prefer not taken things apart and putting them back together. Th
at's just my input. You know how opinions go. Whatever works for you.
>>> George H.
>>> Firestar , FS100
>>> 14GDH
>>> Mesick, Michigan
>>> gdhelton(at)gmail.com
>>>
>>> Have a great day!
>>>
>>> On Jul 31, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Charlie England w
rote:
>>>>
>>>> yet.
>>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | elevator & aileron deflection angles? |
I'm setting up the rigging on this (original) Twinstar restoration, & can't
find anything in my plans that details elevator (or aileron) deflection.
Does the Twinstar have more-or-less symmetrical control surface up/down
deflection?
Thanks,
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: elevator & aileron deflection angles? |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
35 degrees up and down. It's on page 4.
http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/Lexan%20rear%20enclosure.html
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: elevator & aileron deflection angles? |
On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Richard Pike
wrote:
>
> 35 degrees up and down. It's on page 4.
> http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/Lexan%20rear%20enclosure.html
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
>
> My plans set apparently came with the plane (very old), & my sheet 4 is a
drawing of the front cage. I can't get your page to load right now, but the
fact that they are symmetrical up/down is what I need to know.
Many thanks,
Charlie
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| From: | "Michael Adams" <altojazz35(at)earthlink.net> |
Thought some of you might think this is interesting...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaZBeHtTVyQ
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| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Sail Repair tape for Gap Seal... |
Hello Kolbers,
I do remember someone suggesting the use of Sail Repair Tape for creating gap seals.
I saw the tape a West Marine, and have been thinking I would try it when
that day shows up.
Enjoy,
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
90% done on the my Firestar lll, Prototype Kolbra, MarkIII Classic, Extra"
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| From: | Daniel Bindl <bindldaniel5(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Model Firestar |
Fantastic video, any chance I could get more information on the model
building, and flying. Where was the location of this video? When? Who?
My first homebuilding experience, was the UltraStar, back in 1985, in
southern Wisconsin. I am currently in Florida, and I am involved with a
FireFly.
On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Michael Adams
wrote:
> >
>
> Thought some of you might think this is interesting...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaZBeHtTVyQ
>
>
--
Daniel Bindl
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Model Firestar |
Michael, congratulations on a beautiful model of your family aircraft! 'bout
time there was an R/C Kolb!
I have a humble suggestion for the model. It looks like an electric motor has been
installed where a gas engine was originally designed tot be. IMHO There needs
to be a streamlined cover over the engine and wing center section. Even on
the video you can hear the propeller beating against the dead and separated air
on the top center section of the wing. Also put small vortex generators above
the leading edges of the wings within the diameter of the propeller to guarantee
attached airflow into the prop. That buzzing noise is telling you that the
propeller is not making smooth strong thrust.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 8/13/17, Michael Adams wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: Model Firestar
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Sunday, August 13, 2017, 8:50 AM
Adams"
Thought some of you might think this is
interesting...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaZBeHtTVyQ
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| Subject: | Re: Sail Repair tape for Gap Seal... |
| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
Seems like great idea. Ive used it on my hang glider and paraglider sails
before it stuck on there really well.
thx
--------
2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
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| From: | "Michael Adams" <altojazz35(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/14/17 |
Good points.... we are still in the testing phase
The wing does have a gap cover that covers a lot more than the real
Firestar.
Can't cover the motor since they really like to have open air flow. Heat.
The airplane has way more thrust than needed. I was testing some 3 cells
which the motor is not rated for. The motor suggests 4 to 6 cells. The
motor is much more efficient with 4 cells and can take off easily with a
little over 1/2 throttle. The 3 cell required full throttle. This model
could easily aero tow a large glider with 4 cells. Can't imagine what 6
cells would do.
My dad immediately thought the prop was the wrong fit for the airplane due
to the sound of the prop/motor but I'm not sold on that idea just yet. The
motor may have an issue that could be mimicking stalled prop tips sounds.
Would take too long to explain but you'll just have to trust me on this.
I have some things to do to the airplane before any more flying can take
place. I'll post videos as the flight test continue. A good thing is the
model didn't require VG's on the horizontal stab. My big Firestar fly's
much better with them and there was no indication of elevator stall on the
model.
From: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Model Firestar
Michael, congratulations on a beautiful model of your family aircraft!
'bout
time there was an R/C Kolb!
I have a humble suggestion for the model. It looks like an electric motor
has been
installed where a gas engine was originally designed tot be. IMHO There
needs
to be a streamlined cover over the engine and wing center section. Even on
the video you can hear the propeller beating against the dead and separated
air
on the top center section of the wing. Also put small vortex generators
above
the leading edges of the wings within the diameter of the propeller to
guarantee
attached airflow into the prop. That buzzing noise is telling you that the
propeller is not making smooth strong thrust.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | James Swan <arksey(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | rubber grommet for gas tanks |
Hi....where can I can I get the rubber grommet's for the bottom of the 5 gal plastic
gas tanks on my kolb firestar ll... and maybe also new tanks ? thanks
Jim Swan....
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| Subject: | Re: rubber grommet for gas tanks |
| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
Are these the same thing? I used them on my Quicksilver.
https://www.air-techinc.com/product_detail.php?pid=1087
--------
West1m
Hastings, MN
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: rubber grommet for gas tanks |
Yep!
Larry
On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 11:11 AM, west1m wrote:
>
> Are these the same thing? I used them on my Quicksilver.
> https://www.air-techinc.com/product_detail.php?pid=1087
>
> --------
> West1m
> Hastings, MN
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| Subject: | Re: rubber grommet for gas tanks |
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
jimswan wrote:
> Hi....where can I can I get the rubber grommet's for the bottom of the 5 gal
plastic gas tanks on my kolb firestar ll... and maybe also new tanks ? thanks
Jim Swan....
Jim: Kolb should have both the grommets and tanks.
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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| From: | Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: rubber grommet for gas tanks |
Jbm has them, couple days to you
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 15, 2017, at 2:38 PM, Larry Cottrell wrot
e:
>
> Yep!
> Larry
>
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 11:11 AM, west1m wrote:
>>
>> Are these the same thing? I used them on my Quicksilver.
>> https://www.air-techinc.com/product_detail.php?pid=1087
>>
>> --------
>> West1m
>> Hastings, MN
>>
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Rock House Fly-in |
The time for the Rock House Fly-in is near, and I would like to extend an
invitation to all Kolb flyers and even wanna be Kolb Flyers to join us for
our annual get together. Our core group is about 14 participants who join
together to enjoy flying in the Deserts of Eastern Oregon and each others
company. It is totally unorganized and therefore fun. Plenty of Desert to
camp in and explore. Meals so far have been communal and supplied by me.
There will be a limited amount of non ethanol 91 oct. gasoline available,
we can go get more if needed.
42 40.419 N 117 51.198 W will get you here. Runway is 2800 feet of
natural desert soil, with no obstructions at either end of the runway.
Freguency will be 123.450
Arrivals should be around Sept 8th, with the core group and any others that
are not usefully employed lasting most of the following week.
It is mostly unoccupied High Desert, so come prepared for any emergency.
Bring your own gas if possible.
RSVP
Larry Cottrell
541 586 5030
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| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: rubber grommet for gas tanks |
JMB industries
Dennis Rowe
> On Aug 15, 2017, at 9:54 AM, James Swan wrote:
>
> Hi....where can I can I get the rubber grommet's for the bottom of the 5 g
al plastic gas tanks on my kolb firestar ll... and maybe also new tanks ?
thanks Jim Swan....
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| From: | "dansbird" <hemidann(at)yahoo.com> |
Greetings all, I am new to the site and am looking at a Kolb to purchase, I am
looking at a MK II and am curious as to what years they were built. Any tips would
be helpful as to what I should look at. I am a field engineer so I have mechanical
background and abilities but anything specific to these planes would
be welcomed. Any info would be helpful or if anyone would be willing to chat
with me about their experiences with this model I would be happy to give a call.
dansbird
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| Subject: | Mark III Classic Dash |
| From: | "jonealjr" <jonealjr(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Guys,
Hope everyone is enjoying there Kolb in one way or another. I am in progress of
designing a new aluminum dash for my Mark III Classic, mainly because I have
some new avionics but secondly I am sick and tires of not being able to reach
the current dash. I would really appreciate any input from others that have improved
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