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there dash. If you have any pictures, drawings, dimensions or just some
ideas you might have thought of because you're struggling from same deal. I thank
anyone who shares with me in advanced.
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| From: | Russ Kinne <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic Dash |
Jonesy, cant help you much. I=99ve sold my Kolb, but had little
prob with the standard setup.
Except the radio! - that was hard to use
Good luck &
fair winds,
Russ
> On Aug 20, 2017, at 4:32 PM, jonealjr wrote:
>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> Hope everyone is enjoying there Kolb in one way or another. I am in
progress of designing a new aluminum dash for my Mark III Classic,
mainly because I have some new avionics but secondly I am sick and tires
of not being able to reach the current dash. I would really appreciate
any input from others that have improved there dash. If you have any
pictures, drawings, dimensions or just some ideas you might have thought
of because you're struggling from same deal. I thank anyone who shares
with me in advanced.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472008#472008
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| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic Dash |
I made a stick out of aluminium sized long enough to reach things on my
dash. On one end I put a short piece of rubber tubing for turning altimeter
knobs and flipping switches. on the other end I cut a slot for turning my
keyed ignition switch. Then fashioned a place to mount the stick when I'm
not using it.
Not real fancy but it works, it is quick and easy.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Russ Kinne wrote:
> Jonesy, cant help you much. I=99ve sold my Kolb, but had little pro
b with
> the standard setup.
> Except the radio! - that was hard to use
> Good luck &
> fair winds,
> Russ
>
>
> On Aug 20, 2017, at 4:32 PM, jonealjr wrote:
>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> Hope everyone is enjoying there Kolb in one way or another. I am in
> progress of designing a new aluminum dash for my Mark III Classic, mainly
> because I have some new avionics but secondly I am sick and tires of not
> being able to reach the current dash. I would really appreciate any input
> from others that have improved there dash. If you have any pictures,
> drawings, dimensions or just some ideas you might have thought of because
> you're struggling from same deal. I thank anyone who shares with me in
> advanced.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472008#472008
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic Dash |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
The other option is to make a little console that goes between your legs and then
you don't have to reach very far. Does require you to figure out how to put
a bunch of small switches in a confined space.
Here is my solution: the radio has been replaced with a new one, but essentially
it is still the same as in this picture.
http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/pg4.htm
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
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| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic Dash |
I put a 4 x 6 in plastic Box 2 inches deep riveted to the bottom of the Gap
seal right behind the windshield BowI run Master switches ignition switches
intercom switches avionics switches fuses fuel pump switches starter
switch, , and it just right over your hand when you raise it up works
great.
The altimeter transponder on the dash is still hard to reach... Been
thinking about a stick like Rick described, but haven't done it yet.
Boyd Young
On Aug 20, 2017 2:34 PM, "jonealjr" wrote:
Hi Guys,
Hope everyone is enjoying there Kolb in one way or another. I am in
progress of designing a new aluminum dash for my Mark III Classic, mainly
because I have some new avionics but secondly I am sick and tires of not
being able to reach the current dash. I would really appreciate any input
from others that have improved there dash. If you have any pictures,
drawings, dimensions or just some ideas you might have thought of because
you're struggling from same deal. I thank anyone who shares with me in
advanced.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472008#472008
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
https://vimeo.com/230376068 password owyheeflyer
I made a trip to the Alvord to see if it was clogged with Californians to
view the Solar eclipse tomorrow. Our Hwy (Hwy 95) has been clogged with
cars for about a week. Normally in a 5 mile trip to the closest town you
might see 10 cars, this last week has been strings as much as a mile long
coming from Ca. heading to the path in Oregon and Idaho. The phenomenon has
been on Fox news quite a bit here this last week. While the Alvord is not
in the path of totality, its pretty close.
I first checked "winds aloft" and found that at 6000 feet there was
supposed to be a 14 mph wind from the NNW, and since I am SSE from there I
knew that I would be better off at low levels. I can pick up about 4 MPH by
flying in "ground effects", so I dropped down to the tops of the Sage and
started out.
I've got a bit left to do before our fly-in so I decided to clear the
carbon from the HKS and set it to maximum cruise of 5800 RPM's. I flew for
an hour and 24 minutes, a total of 84.5 miles and four gallons of fuel.
If you want to change quality of the video click on the "gear" and set your
download speed to what you want to see. It is recorded at 1080 P, so the
quality is there if you have the speed.
Larry
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| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Clear coating sails |
I'm putting new dacron sails on my plane, and will be using AeroThane 100 c
lear coat to protect the fabric.
Does anyone have any experience with using a roller instead of spraying on
the AeroThane? I've heard that it is easier, wastes less product, and actua
lly covers more evenly.
Comments?
Arty TrostSandy, Oregon=C2-www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm
"Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe t
hrough life just to arrive safely at death."
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
Outstanding video, Larry! I love low level flying. I don't get to do that mu
ch up here in Michigan because of the trees. I fly a 377 Rotax so my low lev
el trust factor is not like it was over the deserts of SoCal. Would love an H
KS.
Thanks for another great video. George
Have a great day!
> On Aug 20, 2017, at 10:57 PM, Larry Cottrell wro
te:
>
> https://vimeo.com/230376068 password owyheeflyer
>
> I made a trip to the Alvord to see if it was clogged with Californians to v
iew the Solar eclipse tomorrow. Our Hwy (Hwy 95) has been clogged with cars f
or about a week. Normally in a 5 mile trip to the closest town you might see
10 cars, this last week has been strings as much as a mile long coming from
Ca. heading to the path in Oregon and Idaho. The phenomenon has been on Fox
news quite a bit here this last week. While the Alvord is not in the path o
f totality, its pretty close.
>
> I first checked "winds aloft" and found that at 6000 feet there was suppos
ed to be a 14 mph wind from the NNW, and since I am SSE from there I knew th
at I would be better off at low levels. I can pick up about 4 MPH by flying i
n "ground effects", so I dropped down to the tops of the Sage and started ou
t.
>
> I've got a bit left to do before our fly-in so I decided to clear the carb
on from the HKS and set it to maximum cruise of 5800 RPM's. I flew for an ho
ur and 24 minutes, a total of 84.5 miles and four gallons of fuel.
>
> If you want to change quality of the video click on the "gear" and set you
r download speed to what you want to see. It is recorded at 1080 P, so the q
uality is there if you have the speed.
>
> Larry
>
> --
> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of oth
ers.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic Dash |
| From: | "jonealjr" <jonealjr(at)gmail.com> |
jonealjr wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> Hope everyone is enjoying there Kolb in one way or another. I am in progress
of designing a aluminum dash for my Mark III Classic, mainly because I have some
new avionics but secondly I am sick and tired of not being able to reach the
stock dash. I would really appreciate any input from others that have improved
there dash. If you have any pictures, drawings, dimensions or just some ideas
you might have thought of because you're struggling from same deal. I thank
anyone who shares with me in advanced.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472024#472024
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| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic Dash |
Bring the instrument panel center part back toward you as far as you want, but
IMHO do not extend the sides of the fiberglassnose cone rearward. The sides need
to be that far forward because you need to get your feet in and out, and extending
the sides rearward would prevent that.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Sun, 8/20/17, jonealjr wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III Classic Dash
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Sunday, August 20, 2017, 9:40 PM
"jonealjr"
jonealjr wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> Hope everyone is enjoying there
Kolb in one way or another. I am in progress of designing a
aluminum dash for my Mark III Classic, mainly because I have
some new avionics but secondly I am sick and tired of not
being able to reach the stock dash. I would really
appreciate any input from others that have improved there
dash. If you have any pictures, drawings, dimensions or just
some ideas you might have thought of because you're
struggling from same deal. I thank anyone who shares with me
in advanced.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472024#472024
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| From: | "KelleyT" <toadkelly2000(at)yahoo.com> |
Absolutely beautiful country and video. Thanks again Larry for sharing. I just
wish I had a wife who was as willing to live away from the populated areas as
yours is. Its not that I dislike people, I just dislike most of them.
T
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| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks for another great video. Watching your flights seems to be the only flying
I have been able to do lately.
We were in Oregon a couple weeks ago, Smoke from Portland to Crater lake and most
of the way back to North Dakota.
The whole state was on fire or something, in the afternoon you could not see the
far side of Crater Lake for the smoke. We stayed at Diamond lake, the plume
of smoke rising from just beyond the lake looked like an erupting volcano.
--------
West1m
Hastings, MN
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
Yeah, its been a bit rough this year. Things will begin to get better the
closer we get to Sept. Just in case you make the trip again, try for Sept
and Oct. Those are the best months for the Coast as well as the interior.
Thanks for the comments.
Larry
On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 3:27 PM, west1m wrote:
>
> Thanks for another great video. Watching your flights seems to be the only
> flying I have been able to do lately.
> We were in Oregon a couple weeks ago, Smoke from Portland to Crater lake
> and most of the way back to North Dakota.
> The whole state was on fire or something, in the afternoon you could not
> see the far side of Crater Lake for the smoke. We stayed at Diamond lake,
> the plume of smoke rising from just beyond the lake looked like an erupting
> volcano.
>
> --------
> West1m
> Hastings, MN
>
>
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| From: | "jonealjr" <jonealjr(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you Larry for another great Video. I have enjoyed each and every one.
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| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Wanted: 68" 3-blade Warp Drive prop |
I'm looking for a used pusher Warp Drive prop. 68", 3 blade - preferably wi
th nickle leading edges, but that's not a requirement.
I have a hub - so I'd also consider buying a set of the three blades, if th
at's what you have.
Arty TrostSandy, Oregon=C2-www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm
"Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe t
hrough life just to arrive safely at death."
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| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Wanted: Warp Drive 68", 3 blade, pusher prop |
I'm looking for a used pusher Warp Drive prop. 68", 3 blade - preferably wi
th nickle leading edges, but that's not a requirement.
I have a hub - so I'd also consider buying a set of the three blades, if th
at's what you have.
Arty TrostSandy, Oregon=C2-=C2-www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure20
09.htm "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip
toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
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| Subject: | Anybody have a MK 2 ??? |
| From: | "dansbird" <hemidann(at)yahoo.com> |
So I just purchased a Kolb MK II and have questions and would like some pictures
if anyone is rebuilding one or has older pictures of a build and willing to
chat with me, assistance would be greatly appreciated.
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| From: | "Lee" <lmorgan100(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Anybody have a MK 2 ??? |
I rebuilt a Kolb Twinstar MK II 2 years ago. Anything specific that you are
looking for ?
Lee
So I just purchased a Kolb MK II and have questions and would like some
pictures if anyone is rebuilding one or has older pictures of a build and
willing to chat with me, assistance would be greatly appreciated.
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| Subject: | Re: Anybody have a MK 2 ??? |
| From: | "Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com> |
I saw the posted message, and thought "did I post that?". (Likely too many miles
of driving and too few flying!). I too just purchased a MK II, and should
have a set of manuals on the way probably today. With mine, I have a few fuse
issues to resolve, and a friend is going over the 503. Hopefully it won't be
too long before I'm in the air with it.
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: Twinstar fuel tank options |
| From: | "Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com> |
Needing fuel tanks or tank for a recent MK II purchase, I looked at the US Plastics
listings. All say "Not for Fuel". Does anyone have experience using these?
Or if they are OK to use?
Jerry
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| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Looking for a used Warp Driver prop |
I'm looking for a used pusher Warp Drive prop. 68", 3 blade - preferably wi
th nickle leading edges, but that's not a requirement.
I have a hub and all the mounting bolts, etc. - so if you have three matchi
ng 68" blades, let me know
Arty TrostSandy, Oregon=C2-www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm
"Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe t
hrough life just to arrive safely at death."
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| Subject: | Re: Anybody have a MK 2 ??? |
| From: | "dansbird" <hemidann(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks for the reply, I am looking for pictures of the main cage structure (drivers
compartment) it looks like someone has done some work to it and not sure
if structure is missing, not correct or just missing all together, the landing
gear has also been changed and not happy with the way the left wheel sits, so
pictures of the landing gear would also be helpful. PM me and I would be happy
to give my phone # and talk in person. This is my first plane so excited to
learn all about it but for my own piece of mind got to make sure everything is
right.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472174#472174
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| Subject: | Re: Twinstar fuel tank options |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
On 8/25/2017 10:56 AM, Jerry-TS-MkII wrote:
>
> Needing fuel tanks or tank for a recent MK II purchase, I looked at the US Plastics
listings. All say "Not for Fuel". Does anyone have experience using these?
Or if they are OK to use?
> Jerry
>
The 5 gal tank you buy from Kolb is also 'not for fuel'. It's just a 5
gal chemical jug. That is not just from observation of the product; it's
straight from the horse's mouth at Kolb, as of a couple of weeks ago.
If you want a truly fuel rated tank, US plastics has those, too. They
just cost about 4 times as much. Look for 'CARB' rated tanks on the web
site. But all you're really getting for the money is a sticker on the
tank. None of the tanks used in experimental a/c are 'approved' for
fuel, because the haven't paid to get some gov. official's 'seal of
approval'.
US Plastics also have all manner of fittings, vented/unvented caps,
bushings for the tanks (though those are a bit more expensive than from
the aviation suppliers), quick disconnects, etc.
But don't just take my advice without doing your own research; it's only
worth what you paid for it. :-)
Charlie
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Twinstar fuel tank options |
Kolb Aircraft. Com
They can supply everything you need, including new rubber grommets. We need to
support them all we can.
I built Twinstar MKII back in the late 80's. Flew it for about 4 years. It was
a good airplane. What year is the Kolb you bought? Restoring can be a big job.
I just finished restoring a original Firestar.
George H.
Firestar, FS 100
14GDH
Mesick, MI.
gdhelton(at)gmail.com
Have a great day!
> On Aug 25, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Jerry-TS-MkII <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Needing fuel tanks or tank for a recent MK II purchase, I looked at the US Plastics
listings. All say "Not for Fuel". Does anyone have experience using these?
Or if they are OK to use?
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472172#472172
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| From: | mojavjoe(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Twinstar fuel tank options |
Go to the fuel tank section of U S Plastics
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 11:56:53 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Twinstar fuel tank options
Needing fuel tanks or tank for a recent MK II purchase, I looked at the US Plastics
listings. All say "Not for Fuel". Does anyone have experience using these?
Or if they are OK to use?
Jerry
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472172#472172
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| From: | Mark <seanote(at)echoes.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Anybody have a MK 2 =?UTF-8?Q?=3F=3F=3F? |
I have a few more photos from several angles if you want to take a
look. Let me know.
Mark
On 08/25/2017 12:29, dansbird wrote:
>
> Thanks for the reply, I am looking for pictures of the main cage
> structure (drivers compartment) it looks like someone has done some
> work to it and not sure if structure is missing, not correct or just
> missing all together, the landing gear has also been changed and not
> happy with the way the left wheel sits, so pictures of the landing
> gear would also be helpful. PM me and I would be happy to give my
> phone # and talk in person. This is my first plane so excited to
> learn
> all about it but for my own piece of mind got to make sure everything
> is right.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472174#472174
>
>
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| From: | Wayne Schneider <jwaynes(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Twinstar fuel tank options |
The boating industry seems to have a good supply for fuel rated tanks. My
Mark II Twinstar has a 12 gallon tank.
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| Subject: | Re: Twinstar fuel tank options |
| From: | "Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the info. My intent is to get this in the air before winter... to do
a bit of flying,and find out what it might truly need. So the plastic tank(s)
would only be temporary anyway. In looking inside the fuse, I think a inverted
saddle tank, that goes under the boom would be ideal. But that also means
vinyl ester, or aluminum/tig fabrication.. better for a winter project. Installation
would be easy from below, and a "normal" fuel tank filler thru the side
of the fabric would also be a nice addition. Something about two tanks sitting
right behind my head.. not ideal. I'll do a search for tank installations
or option photos asap. jr
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Twinstar fuel tank options |
Modifying a Twinstar is something that shouldn't be done without careful consideration?
Mounting fuel under the boom tube could quite dangerous for two reasons.
One is a radical shift in the CG of aircraft and the second is possibly rupturing
of tank or tanks on bent or broken landing gear situations. The only thing
wrong with the present placement behind you is, they're a pain in the rear
to refuel. But, their placement is critical to prevent an aft CG situation.
This is just my opinion from years of flying a MKII. If you post some pictures
of your cage Assy. I'd look them over. I built mine according to the plans provided
by Kolb.
George
Have a great day!
> On Aug 25, 2017, at 1:10 PM, Jerry-TS-MkII <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for the info. My intent is to get this in the air before winter... to
do a bit of flying,and find out what it might truly need. So the plastic tank(s)
would only be temporary anyway. In looking inside the fuse, I think a inverted
saddle tank, that goes under the boom would be ideal. But that also means
vinyl ester, or aluminum/tig fabrication.. better for a winter project. Installation
would be easy from below, and a "normal" fuel tank filler thru the
side of the fabric would also be a nice addition. Something about two tanks
sitting right behind my head.. not ideal. I'll do a search for tank installations
or option photos asap. jr
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472180#472180
>
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Twinstar fuel tank options |
On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Jerry-TS-MkII <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info. My intent is to get this in the air before winter...
> to do a bit of flying,and find out what it might truly need. So the
> plastic tank(s) would only be temporary anyway. In looking inside the
> fuse, I think a inverted saddle tank, that goes under the boom would be
> ideal. But that also means vinyl ester, or aluminum/tig fabrication..
> better for a winter project. Installation would be easy from below, and a
> "normal" fuel tank filler thru the side of the fabric would also be a nice
> addition. Something about two tanks sitting right behind my head.. not
> ideal. I'll do a search for tank installations or option photos asap. jr
>
> Aluminum/tank sealant/rivets is also a reasonable option. Closed head
'pop' rivets are available, if you don't have bucking equipment. Attached
is a pic of the US Plastics 8gal tank I'm fitting. I wish it would fit
between the bracing & the boom tube, but it's just a bit too tall. So, it
has to sit in the original location of the 5gal tank. I'll try facing the
filler forward, and hope I can set up the root fairing so I can peel it off
for fueling. If that doesn't work, I'll just turn it around so it's
oriented like the original tank. My ideal choice would be a tank that fits
under the bracing, sitting on the boom tube just behind the seats, with the
filler pointing forward between the seats (original Twinstar with no
enclosure).
If you don't mind the fueling inconvenience (my big gripe with the stock
'high' location) and intend to bottom-feed from the tanks, two of the US-P
5gal chemical tanks is by far the simplest, and cheapest way to go.
Probably under $30 including shipping.
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| From: | mojavjoe(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic Dash |
My Firestar SS is setup for a pod similar to the MarkIII. I wanted space for an
I-Fly and an Amptronic GX-2 so I built one from fiberglass. I'll attach two photos
to this message and a couple to the next
----- Original Message -----
From: "jonealjr" <jonealjr(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 4:32:18 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Mark III Classic Dash
Hi Guys,
Hope everyone is enjoying there Kolb in one way or another. I am in progress of
designing a new aluminum dash for my Mark III Classic, mainly because I have
some new avionics but secondly I am sick and tires of not being able to reach
the current dash. I would really appreciate any input from others that have improved
there dash. If you have any pictures, drawings, dimensions or just some
ideas you might have thought of because you're struggling from same deal. I thank
anyone who shares with me in advanced.
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| From: | mojavjoe(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic Dash |
more photos
----- Original Message -----
From: "jonealjr" <jonealjr(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 4:32:18 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Mark III Classic Dash
Hi Guys,
Hope everyone is enjoying there Kolb in one way or another. I am in progress of
designing a new aluminum dash for my Mark III Classic, mainly because I have
some new avionics but secondly I am sick and tires of not being able to reach
the current dash. I would really appreciate any input from others that have improved
there dash. If you have any pictures, drawings, dimensions or just some
ideas you might have thought of because you're struggling from same deal. I thank
anyone who shares with me in advanced.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472008#472008
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Twinstar fuel tank options |
I found this for fueling the Firefly. I mix the gas in the can, insert the
pump and then lift the can onto a stand sitting next to the fuselage. Then
just pump the fuel into the plane, no pouring involved.
With 4 AA batteries, it will move 5 gallons of gas in less than 3 minutes.
No Spills!
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SBZRKEU/ref=s9_acsd_hps_bw_c_x_1_w
Stuart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Helton
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Twinstar fuel tank options
Modifying a Twinstar is something that shouldn't be done without careful
consideration? Mounting fuel under the boom tube could quite dangerous for
two reasons. One is a radical shift in the CG of aircraft and the second is
possibly rupturing of tank or tanks on bent or broken landing gear
situations. The only thing wrong with the present placement behind you is,
they're a pain in the rear to refuel. But, their placement is critical to
prevent an aft CG situation. This is just my opinion from years of flying a
MKII. If you post some pictures of your cage Assy. I'd look them over. I
built mine according to the plans provided by Kolb.
George
Have a great day!
> On Aug 25, 2017, at 1:10 PM, Jerry-TS-MkII <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com>
wrote:
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> --> <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com>
>
> Thanks for the info. My intent is to get this in the air before
> winter... to do a bit of flying,and find out what it might truly need.
> So the plastic tank(s) would only be temporary anyway. In looking
> inside the fuse, I think a inverted saddle tank, that goes under the
> boom would be ideal. But that also means vinyl ester, or aluminum/tig
> fabrication.. better for a winter project. Installation would be easy
> from below, and a "normal" fuel tank filler thru the side of the
> fabric would also be a nice addition. Something about two tanks
> sitting right behind my head.. not ideal. I'll do a search for tank
> installations or option photos asap. jr
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472180#472180
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| Subject: | Firestar 2 checklists |
| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
Hi Guys
Can anybody share their preflight/landing & post flight checklist
for their firestar
thank you
Mike
--------
2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
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| Subject: | Twinstar MK II Items to examine |
| From: | "Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com> |
Hello to all,
I just purchased a Mk II, and thought I would ask a few general questions. It
has a 503 DCDI, B box, and 64" Ivo 3 blade prop. Flying it solo, can anyone share
Vx for Best climb angle? And what cruise I might expect?
One flyer mentioned a benefit of a 2 blade 68" Ivo, to lighten the loads on the
B box. Any other input or other prop suggestions?
I fully plan to completely examine the plane before it's put back in service, but
asking here about any specific known problems that might need extra attention?
I have read over many of the posts.
I'll be adding bracing on either side of the tail wheel, and examining the fuse
tube connection, and checking brace wire and control wire tensions, and the aileron
bellcrank support AD. I read about some leading edge tubes with fractures
and may have to scope the tubes and main spar. In general it looks good,
but not knowing this plane, I'm asking about any other problem areas that others
have encountered. Many thanks for any replies. Jerry
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472210#472210
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| From: | Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Twinstar MK II Items to examine |
we have a nice mk 2 listed on barnstormers here in Michigan, check it out!
=C2-Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair http://michigansportpilotrepair.comLSRM-A, PPC,
WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
From: Jerry-TS-MkII <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 8:09 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Twinstar MK II Items to examine
Hello to all,
I just purchased a Mk II, and thought I would ask a few general questions.
=C2- It has a 503 DCDI, B box, and 64" Ivo 3 blade prop.=C2- Flying it
solo, can anyone share Vx for Best climb angle?=C2- And what cruise I mig
ht expect?
One flyer mentioned a benefit of a 2 blade 68" Ivo, to lighten the loads on
the B box.=C2- Any other input or other prop suggestions?
I fully plan to completely examine the plane before it's put back in servic
e, but asking here about any specific known problems that might need extra
attention?=C2- I have read over many of the posts.
I'll be adding bracing on either side of the tail wheel, and examining the
fuse tube connection, and checking brace wire and control wire tensions, an
d the aileron bellcrank support AD.=C2- I read about some leading edge tu
bes with fractures and may have to scope the tubes and main spar.=C2- In
general it looks good, but not knowing this plane, I'm asking about any oth
er problem areas that others have encountered.=C2- Many thanks for any re
plies.=C2- Jerry
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472210#472210
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WIKI -
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=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Twinstar MK II Items to examine |
I ran a 503 single carb on mine. It liked 50 to 52 mph on climb out as I rec
all? It's been a lot of years ago. I built Twinstar, TS 205. It came with a
wood 68" Tennessee Propeller. Which worked great. I later went to 64" three
blade Ivoprop. It worked fine and was very smooth. I do think it climbed be
tter with the two blade thou. I don't think there was a lot of difference in
the gearbox loading. I changed my gearbox oil every 50 hours and never noti
ced any excessive wear. I flew the Twinstar for about four years. It was a g
ood unit. A bit sluggish, but it is a two seater after all.
George H.
Firestar, FS100, 1986
14GDH
Mesick, Michigan
gdhelton(at)gmail.com
Have a great day!
> On Aug 26, 2017, at 8:04 AM, Jerry-TS-MkII <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com> wrote
:
>
>
> Hello to all,
> I just purchased a Mk II, and thought I would ask a few general questions.
It has a 503 DCDI, B box, and 64" Ivo 3 blade prop. Flying it solo, can a
nyone share Vx for Best climb angle? And what cruise I might expect?
>
> One flyer mentioned a benefit of a 2 blade 68" Ivo, to lighten the loads o
n the B box. Any other input or other prop suggestions?
>
> I fully plan to completely examine the plane before it's put back in servi
ce, but asking here about any specific known problems that might need extra a
ttention? I have read over many of the posts.
>
> I'll be adding bracing on either side of the tail wheel, and examining the
fuse tube connection, and checking brace wire and control wire tensions, an
d the aileron bellcrank support AD. I read about some leading edge tubes wi
th fractures and may have to scope the tubes and main spar. In general it l
ooks good, but not knowing this plane, I'm asking about any other problem ar
eas that others have encountered. Many thanks for any replies. Jerry
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472210#472210
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Twinstar MK II Items to examine |
| From: | "Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks George!
When I had asked about the 3 blade.. the other flyer felt that the 2-blade 68"
was more efficient on a 503. I'm more interested in a climb prop, and that usually
follows a lower pitch and larger diameter. His experience was regarding
the physical loading of the bearings and components in a B box.. ie spinning
less mass, which means less stress in general to accelerate the prop, etc. He
rebuilds a lot of Rotax engines (mainly for trikes), so he sees more than a typical
airplane owner might. My biggest concern was in thinking the 3 blade pusher,
right behind the wing might be smoother than 2. But it sounds as thou
your Tennessee worked just fine. I may look for 68" Ivo blades once the dust
settles. Always good to hear multiple comments that all point towards the same
(positive) results. And it would be slightly lighter too. Again, Thanks!
jr
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472223#472223
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Twinstar MK II Items to examine |
I think you'll kind that a Twinstar climbs like a homesick angel when solo. Mine
did. I like Ivoprops. I flew off a lot of decomposed granite and sand surfaces
in Southern California and with the stainless steel leading edges it was pretty
much indestructible. I do think my two blade was a better climb prop.
I fly off of primarily grass fields these days. So the risk of prop damage is not
as great. I should receive my new Tennessee 66X28 prop with composite edges
this week. Under $600.00 delivered. My 30 year old Culver wood just doesn't seem
to doing the job anymore? I'm not sure what has changed but I'm turned 7100
rpm on takeoff which is to high. I thought it was my tachometer. But, my new
one agrees with the old one. Later, George
Have a great day!
> On Aug 26, 2017, at 5:27 PM, Jerry-TS-MkII <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks George!
> When I had asked about the 3 blade.. the other flyer felt that the 2-blade 68"
was more efficient on a 503. I'm more interested in a climb prop, and that
usually follows a lower pitch and larger diameter. His experience was regarding
the physical loading of the bearings and components in a B box.. ie spinning
less mass, which means less stress in general to accelerate the prop, etc.
He rebuilds a lot of Rotax engines (mainly for trikes), so he sees more than a
typical airplane owner might. My biggest concern was in thinking the 3 blade
pusher, right behind the wing might be smoother than 2. But it sounds as thou
your Tennessee worked just fine. I may look for 68" Ivo blades once the dust
settles. Always good to hear multiple comments that all point towards the same
(positive) results. And it would be slightly lighter too. Again, Thanks!
jr
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472223#472223
>
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| Subject: | Re: Twinstar MK II Items to examine |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
My experience was that the 2 blade climbs better. Also, using Mobil 1 gearbox lube
not only keeps the gearbox cooler, when changing the oil during the annual,
it comes out looking pretty much the way it looked when it went in with minimal
mung on the magnet.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar 2 checklists |
| From: | "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com> |
Here is mine. I'm sure it was originally supplied by someone else and I have modified
it.
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar 2 checklists |
| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
Perfect thanks so much I appreciate it.
Mike
--------
2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
https://vimeo.com/231334174
password owyheeflyer
I had gone out with our local fire district truck to a reported fire last
week. After coming back home I couldn't find my Bino's, and of course
assumed that I had left them in the fire truck. The truck is kept at one of
the ranches South of here about 45 miles away. I decided to fly down there
to look for them. I had noticed that he had a hay field that came up to the
parking area, so I figured to land there.
I discovered after coming home and viewing the video that I needed to point
my camera up a bit, and that I had successfully concealed said Bino's
inside my own truck. Sigh!.
Larry
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| From: | Wayne Schneider <jwaynes(at)gmail.com> |
Any excuse to fly =F0=9F=98=8A
From: Larry Cottrell
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 9:24 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: short video
https://vimeo.com/231334174=C2- password =C2- owyheeflyer
I had gone out with our local fire district truck to a reported fire last w
eek. After coming back home I couldn't find my Bino's, and of course assume
d that I had left them in the fire truck. The truck is kept at one of the r
anches South of here about 45 miles away. I decided to fly down there to lo
ok for them. I had noticed that he had a hay field that came up to the park
ing area, so I figured to land there.
I discovered after coming home and viewing the video that I needed to point
my camera up a bit, and that I had successfully concealed said Bino's insi
de my own truck. Sigh!.
Larry
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rs.
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| Subject: | Parts needed: Old style Ivo prop adjustment cams |
| From: | "Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com> |
Hello everyone,
Having a OLD STYLE 3 blade Ivo that I hope to use initially on my Twinstar Mk II,
it came without the adjustment cams or adjustment shims. This prop doesn't
have the large "easy to adjust external screw and lock nut") So it's at 6 degrees
as I read the "no-cam" default. Ideally, I need to find/make/buy 3 cams,
and a set of shims.. but I can make either if needed. The shims just round
plates, of unknown thickness (at this point) that stack in front, or behind the
prop blades, to move the 3 cams.
Not sure if Ivo will send me any drawings since they are discontinued parts. But
apparently they just have a screw (and some Lock-tite) holding them onto the
end of the torque rod in the prop blade. If anyone has converted from 3 blade
to 2, and has a spare blade w/cam, and would be willing to sell 3, or 1, or
send me one cam and shim to duplicate, I'd gladly return with a coupon to your
pub of choice, or health-food store, (I find them to be one and the SAME place
myself.. but others might not). Someone's junk drawer probably has one (or
more). But if like my shop, 3 weeks to find them would be the problem.. LOL.
Any productive thoughts, sources, manifest instructions, etc, all welcome!
Thanks, Jerry
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Parts needed: Old style Ivo prop adjustment cams |
Jerry, The one that I had the levers that were on the end of the prop and
only about an inch long. You adjusted it by the addition of thin washers to
increase pitch. More washers more pitch????? At least I think that is the
way it goes. I still have some of that stuff, but I need to know for sure
what it is that you need. If you can be more specific - pictures- then I
may be able to help.
Having said all that- If it was me I would just buy a new prop., and I
would get a two blade. A 503 on that plane is going to be to "me" marginal
at best. A two blade will give you better climb, which to me is more useful
than quiet or faster cruise. Your cruise speed is going to be probably a
bit less than 60 MPH without some clean up of drag factors any way.
Of course every thing that could be considered advice only mirrors what
suits me, nothing more. The offer still holds however- I know I have a
three inch spacer and several shims and plates. If you can use them, no
charge, just postage.
Larry
On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Jerry-TS-MkII <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
> Having a OLD STYLE 3 blade Ivo that I hope to use initially on my Twinstar
> Mk II, it came without the adjustment cams or adjustment shims. This prop
> doesn't have the large "easy to adjust external screw and lock nut") So
> it's at 6 degrees as I read the "no-cam" default. Ideally, I need to
> find/make/buy 3 cams, and a set of shims.. but I can make either if
> needed. The shims just round plates, of unknown thickness (at this point)
> that stack in front, or behind the prop blades, to move the 3 cams.
>
> Not sure if Ivo will send me any drawings since they are discontinued
> parts. But apparently they just have a screw (and some Lock-tite) holding
> them onto the end of the torque rod in the prop blade. If anyone has
> converted from 3 blade to 2, and has a spare blade w/cam, and would be
> willing to sell 3, or 1, or send me one cam and shim to duplicate, I'd
> gladly return with a coupon to your pub of choice, or health-food store, (I
> find them to be one and the SAME place myself.. but others might not).
> Someone's junk drawer probably has one (or more). But if like my shop, 3
> weeks to find them would be the problem.. LOL. Any productive thoughts,
> sources, manifest instructions, etc, all welcome! Thanks, Jerry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472321#472321
>
>
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Parts needed: Old style Ivo prop adjustment cams |
I was curious so I went out to the shop to see what I had. If I am correct
what you need is the lever on the end of the prop and perhaps the plate and
spacer. The blade was on a 447 and still running when I flipped upside
down, so I don't think the blade is usable. If any of the rest is of use
let me know.
Larry
541 586 5030
On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Jerry-TS-MkII <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
> Having a OLD STYLE 3 blade Ivo that I hope to use initially on my Twinstar
> Mk II, it came without the adjustment cams or adjustment shims. This prop
> doesn't have the large "easy to adjust external screw and lock nut") So
> it's at 6 degrees as I read the "no-cam" default. Ideally, I need to
> find/make/buy 3 cams, and a set of shims.. but I can make either if
> needed. The shims just round plates, of unknown thickness (at this point)
> that stack in front, or behind the prop blades, to move the 3 cams.
>
> Not sure if Ivo will send me any drawings since they are discontinued
> parts. But apparently they just have a screw (and some Lock-tite) holding
> them onto the end of the torque rod in the prop blade. If anyone has
> converted from 3 blade to 2, and has a spare blade w/cam, and would be
> willing to sell 3, or 1, or send me one cam and shim to duplicate, I'd
> gladly return with a coupon to your pub of choice, or health-food store, (I
> find them to be one and the SAME place myself.. but others might not).
> Someone's junk drawer probably has one (or more). But if like my shop, 3
> weeks to find them would be the problem.. LOL. Any productive thoughts,
> sources, manifest instructions, etc, all welcome! Thanks, Jerry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472321#472321
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Parts needed: Old style Ivo prop adjustment cams |
| From: | "Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com> |
Larry,
Those would be very helpful! My reduction box didn't have the extension, so that,
and the plate, and shims (if you have any, I could use). I sent you a PM.
(and a text). Get back with me, and I'll send an address. Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: Parts needed: Old style Ivo prop adjustment cams |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Wish I had posted 2 months ago on the list that I needed a spacer. I bought a new
one from Ivo for the FF...
Sigh...
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Head for 503 DCDI |
One of the guys here at Cherokee Strip needs a head for the 503 DCDI on the
Challenger he's rebuilding. Anyone have one for sale or know of a vendor to
go to?
Rick Girard
--
=9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D
Groucho Marx
<http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx>
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| Subject: | Re: Head for 503 DCDI |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
On 8/29/2017 9:28 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
> One of the guys here at Cherokee Strip needs a head for the 503 DCDI
> on the Challenger he's rebuilding. Anyone have one for sale or know of
> a vendor to go to?
>
> Rick Girard
>
> --
>
>
> Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. Groucho
> Marx <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx>
>
>
Tried ebay? I *think* I saw one on there just a couple of days ago.
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| Subject: | Re: Parts needed: Old style Ivo prop adjustment cams |
| From: | "woody" <n3022.176(at)gmail.com> |
I hope that the old spacer system works out for you but like Larry said, I would
just buy a new prop. There is a reason that they quit making those. My 503 DCDI
was a pain to dial in to keep my EGT in check. A full turn is all there is
between "to hot" and "acceptable". The EGT temps still run about 1075 in level
flight according to my EIS. WOT on climb out gets me about 6550 rpm.
If you melt a piston, a new engine will cost you a lot more than a prop.
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| Subject: | Re: Head for 503 DCDI |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
I need a Rotax 277 head to convert to dual ignition. Ebay doesn't have one.
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Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | "Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks to all for the good info and Larry is going to help me with his parts.
Really a nice feeling to have a supportive group. Something about pilots and
sailers, (when I was Hobie sailing).. that really makes a person feel good. I
told Larry about helping others build or repair their U/Ls way back when, and
teaching 2 of them to fly. I did their test flights too.. to check things out..
and maybe to instill confidence in their aircraft.
As for new props.. yes I agree 100%, new and improved would be much better. When
I went to Georgia to pick up this Twinstar, the trailer provided was really
heavy and with no brakes. Oh, great fun, pulling THAT down the road with all
the sun worshipers out to view the eclipse, and basically driving like crazy
people. Sorta glad they are ON THE GROUND, and not flying! I had to swap vehicles
with a friend.. but in doing so had to pay her lapsed insurance, and then
found 2 bad wheel bearings on the drive to my house before the big trip. Doing
it myself was only(?) $300 (or the cost of a good used IVO!!). But I knew
she was sweating bullets money wise.. so it was helping her, and me.. to have
a hearty tow truck. One guy at a rest stop looked at the rig (with no brakes)
and then PRAYED for me, cause I hadn't reached the Smokies yet! (Nothing like
being puckered with that commentary). But the trip went fine. I just knew
it made for an expensive "rental". So Karma may be smiling for helping her out
too. My issue is adjusting the pitch of my billfold!! The prop should be
more straight forward. And some classic R/C kits will go onto RCGroups to help
fund this rework.
I have some options now, and will be able to get it in the air.. and make some
decisions. Main goal is to do some flying before winter, so I can bring it back
home, and do some rework over the winter, knowing more specifically what issues
to address more fully.
Having looked at numerous other forums on here, some have ZERO activity. So it's
really nice to see this group is active, supportive, and very willing to share
knowledge and more. I LIKE it!! Pretty excited about doing some flying soon!!
Thanks to all for the input and assistance!! Jerry
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| From: | "jonealjr" <jonealjr(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you for posting
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | gas tank top feed hardware? |
Those who are using top feed for your plastic fuel tanks: what pickup tube
& tank fittings are you using?
I've got the viton bushings, and the steel (?) right-angle inserts for the
bushings, sold by LEAF & others. I need to use a tube to get to the bottom
of the tank, but I'm having a brain freeze on how to do it. I took a shot
at brazing a longer tube into the steel fitting, but either I've lost my
skillset or it isn't steel. It *is* highly magnetic, and doesn't look like
stainless, but....
Parts sources, and pics, would be welcome.
Thanks,
Charlie
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: gas tank top feed hardware? |
I don't recall how I managed to secure my extension, but I am sure I had to
go to solder to get it done.
Here are some pictures of what I use. My theory was that a flexible tube
with a weighted filter pickup that could slosh around to where the fuel was
no matter the attitude would not be a bad thing.
The little filter was from Model airplane fuel pickups. The fuel line being
inside the tank has never been a problem and is still flexible and it has
been there for some 20 years.
On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Charlie England
wrote:
> Those who are using top feed for your plastic fuel tanks: what pickup tube
> & tank fittings are you using?
>
> I've got the viton bushings, and the steel (?) right-angle inserts for
> the bushings, sold by LEAF & others. I need to use a tube to get to the
> bottom of the tank, but I'm having a brain freeze on how to do it. I took a
> shot at brazing a longer tube into the steel fitting, but either I've lost
> my skillset or it isn't steel. It *is* highly magnetic, and doesn't look
> like stainless, but....
>
> Parts sources, and pics, would be welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
>
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| Subject: | Re: gas tank top feed hardware? |
| From: | "japowell" <japnmjp(at)twc.com> |
I have the 6 gal tanks that Kolb sells and also the pickup tubes. They reach the
bottom easily.
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: gas tank top feed hardware? |
I agree Larry. Flexible fuel line pickups work great. Never had a problem wi
th them on my MKII. I do think that the tubing should checked annually. And a
fter a short time after initial installation just be sure the tubing used li
kes fuel.
My Firestar has a custom aluminum tank which is a bottom feeder. Works well t
oo. Fuel system has a Facet electric pump and a pulse pump with fuel filters
before and after pumps, thanks to information from those on the kolblist.
George H.
Firestar, FS 100, 1986
Have a great day!
> On Aug 30, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Larry Cottrell wrot
e:
>
> I don't recall how I managed to secure my extension, but I am sure I had t
o go to solder to get it done.
>
> Here are some pictures of what I use. My theory was that a flexible tube w
ith a weighted filter pickup that could slosh around to where the fuel was n
o matter the attitude would not be a bad thing.
>
> The little filter was from Model airplane fuel pickups. The fuel line bein
g inside the tank has never been a problem and is still flexible and it has b
een there for some 20 years.
>
>
>
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Charlie England w
rote:
>> Those who are using top feed for your plastic fuel tanks: what pickup tub
e & tank fittings are you using?
>>
>> I've got the viton bushings, and the steel (?) right-angle inserts for t
he bushings, sold by LEAF & others. I need to use a tube to get to the botto
m of the tank, but I'm having a brain freeze on how to do it. I took a shot a
t brazing a longer tube into the steel fitting, but either I've lost my skil
lset or it isn't steel. It *is* highly magnetic, and doesn't look like stain
less, but....
>>
>> Parts sources, and pics, would be welcome.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Charlie
>>
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| Subject: | Re: gas tank top feed hardware? |
| From: | "Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com> |
I would strongly recommend Tygon fuel line only. It's resistant to all the fuels,
stays flexible, and doesn't expand. On a U/L I used generic clear tubing,
with a "tight" press fit inside the cap fitting.. but one day while fueling,
it FELL OFF! Use spring clamps on all connections, or large diameter safety wire
with a few wraps, then twisted snug. Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: gas tank top feed hardware? |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks to all for your responses. Very helpful in clarifying my path
forward. What I have in mind is very similar to what Larry showed in the
pics. Plan is to use the same blue urethane tubing that's used for the
rest of the fuel system.
Larry, is your in-tank tubing 1/4" ID, like the feed to the pump(s) and
engine? Do you have a link to the fuel filter? All the model filters
I've been able to find are for 1/8" ID tubing. I've got some plastic
inline filters for 1/4" line that I can adapt, but I'd have to add some
weight to hold the filter down.
Thanks again,
Charlie
On 8/30/2017 4:21 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> I don't recall how I managed to secure my extension, but I am sure I
> had to go to solder to get it done.
>
> Here are some pictures of what I use. My theory was that a flexible
> tube with a weighted filter pickup that could slosh around to where
> the fuel was no matter the attitude would not be a bad thing.
>
> The little filter was from Model airplane fuel pickups. The fuel line
> being inside the tank has never been a problem and is still flexible
> and it has been there for some 20 years.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Charlie England > wrote:
>
> Those who are using top feed for your plastic fuel tanks: what
> pickup tube & tank fittings are you using?
>
> I've got the viton bushings, and the steel (?) right-angle
> inserts for the bushings, sold by LEAF & others. I need to use a
> tube to get to the bottom of the tank, but I'm having a brain
> freeze on how to do it. I took a shot at brazing a longer tube
> into the steel fitting, but either I've lost my skillset or it
> isn't steel. It *is* highly magnetic, and doesn't look like
> stainless, but....
>
> Parts sources, and pics, would be welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
>
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: gas tank top feed hardware? |
https://www.amazon.com/In-Tank-Filter-W-Ball-Check/dp/B0055DOP6C/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1504146785&sr=8-3&keywords=in+tank+filters+for
here you go.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: gas tank top feed hardware? |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
On 8/30/2017 9:34 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> https://www.amazon.com/In-Tank-Filter-W-Ball-Check/dp/B0055DOP6C/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1504146785&sr=8-3&keywords=in+tank+filters+for
>
>
> here you go.
> Larry
Excellent! I failed to use the 'in tank' search term, & all I got was a
list of inline versions.
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| Subject: | Re: gas tank top feed hardware? |
| From: | "Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com> |
I stand corrected! All of my Tygon applications were concealed, and it's worked
well with alcohol, but apparently not UV protected. I found this link for the
blue tubing marketed by Bing, and AS also has the pickups shown by Larry.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/bingfuel.php
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: gas tank top feed hardware? |
| From: | "Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com> |
Correction to the correction. Tygon has MANY different formulations! Their LP-1100
is UV protected and good for 100% ethanol. However the link doesn't suggest
it's use for "fuel submersible" applications. Every chain saw I own does
have new Tygon lines, in both fuel and oil tanks. And it was the only thing
I had found that would remain flexible in the tank, submerged, and no failures.
I'd be curious to know who makes the line for Bing.
http://www.processsystems.saint-gobain.com/products/tygon-lp-1100-flexible-fuel-tubing
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: gas tank top feed hardware? |
Well, finally gave up on the plumber's flux & went with tried & true
electronics stuff. Heated the fitting & dipped it in my tin of paste flux;
after that, soldering using rosin core 50/50 was uneventful. In case
anyone's wondering, solder apparently can't go bad. That roll of Kester in
the pic is my father's. He turned 100 last June. And it's entirely possible
that he inherited it from *his* father, but there's no mfgr date on the
spool.
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| Subject: | I think it's finally an airplane!!! |
| From: | "japowell" <japnmjp(at)twc.com> |
Last Dec., I purchased a trailer full of parts from Mr. Pike. Thank you Richard.
I have had a ball rebuilding this thing into a sweet little plane. In two
weeks I will take it to it's resting place, a t-hanger at a little country airport.
I have read all of the archives about this plane and others. I thank you
all for all of the information contained on this forum. Without you all, this
project would not have been finished. No matter the subject or the model,
I have tried to get something useful for my project. I have been to the factory
for parts and Helen and Brian are top notch people. They have really come thru
when I needed parts or information. Below is a pic of the beast. It started
out as Vince Nicely's plane and after the rebuild, I hope I did it justice.
I have spoke with him during the build and he is a pleasure to talk with.
Thank you Vince. And thank you all on the forum. I hope in the future I can contribute
to this list the way you guys do..Thank you all again.
My appologies to Richard if the pic is too big. I tried.
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Jim P
WAR EAGLE
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| Subject: | I think it's finally an airplane!!! |
| From: | "japowell" <japnmjp(at)twc.com> |
Last Dec., I purchased a trailer full of parts from Mr. Pike. Thank you Richard.
I have had a ball rebuilding this thing into a sweet little plane. In two
weeks I will take it to it's resting place, a t-hanger at a little country airport.
I have read all of the archives about this plane and others. I thank you
all for all of the information contained on this forum. Without you all, this
project would not have been finished. No matter the subject or the model,
I have tried to get something useful for my project. I have been to the factory
for parts and Helen and Brian are top notch people. They have really come thru
when I needed parts or information. Below is a pic of the beast. It started
out as Vince Nicely's plane and after the rebuild, I hope I did it justice.
I have spoke with him during the build and he is a pleasure to talk with.
Thank you Vince. And thank you all on the forum. I hope in the future I can contribute
to this list the way you guys do..Thank you all again.
My appologies to Richard if the pic is too big. I tried.
--------
Jim P
WAR EAGLE
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I think it's finally an airplane!!! |
Wow, Jim! Looks pretty sweet! Congrats on your new wings.
George H.
Firestar, FS100, 1986
Have a great day!
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 7:08 PM, japowell wrote:
>
>
> Last Dec., I purchased a trailer full of parts from Mr. Pike. Thank you Richard.
I have had a ball rebuilding this thing into a sweet little plane. In two
weeks I will take it to it's resting place, a t-hanger at a little country airport.
I have read all of the archives about this plane and others. I thank
you all for all of the information contained on this forum. Without you all,
this project would not have been finished. No matter the subject or the model,
I have tried to get something useful for my project. I have been to the factory
for parts and Helen and Brian are top notch people. They have really come
thru when I needed parts or information. Below is a pic of the beast. It started
out as Vince Nicely's plane and after the rebuild, I hope I did it justice.
I have spoke with him during the build and he is a pleasure to talk with.
Thank you Vince. And thank you all on the forum. I hope in the future I can
contribute to this list the way you guys do..Thank yo!
> u all again.
>
> My appologies to Richard if the pic is too big. I tried.
>
> --------
> Jim P
> WAR EAGLE
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I think it's finally an airplane!!! |
Atta Boy!, you did good!
Larry
On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 5:08 PM, japowell wrote:
>
> Last Dec., I purchased a trailer full of parts from Mr. Pike. Thank you
> Richard. I have had a ball rebuilding this thing into a sweet little
> plane. In two weeks I will take it to it's resting place, a t-hanger at a
> little country airport. I have read all of the archives about this plane
> and others. I thank you all for all of the information contained on this
> forum. Without you all, this project would not have been finished. No
> matter the subject or the model, I have tried to get something useful for
> my project. I have been to the factory for parts and Helen and Brian are
> top notch people. They have really come thru when I needed parts or
> information. Below is a pic of the beast. It started out as Vince
> Nicely's plane and after the rebuild, I hope I did it justice. I have
> spoke with him during the build and he is a pleasure to talk with. Thank
> you Vince. And thank you all on the forum. I hope in the future I can
> contribute to this list the way you guys do..Thank yo!
> u all again.
>
> My appologies to Richard if the pic is too big. I tried.
>
> --------
> Jim P
> WAR EAGLE
>
>
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| From: | <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I think it's finally an airplane!!! |
Good job!
john h
mkIII
Spring Creek, Nevada
-- japowell wrote:
>
> Last Dec., I purchased a trailer full of parts from Mr. Pike. Thank you Richard.
I have had a ball rebuilding this thing into a sweet little plane. In two
weeks I will take it to it's resting place, a t-hanger at a little country airport.
I have read all of the archives about this plane and others. I thank
you all for all of the information contained on this forum. Without you all,
this project would not have been finished. No matter the subject or the model,
I have tried to get something useful for my project. I have been to the factory
for parts and Helen and Brian are top notch people. They have really come
thru when I needed parts or information. Below is a pic of the beast. It started
out as Vince Nicely's plane and after the rebuild, I hope I did it justice.
I have spoke with him during the build and he is a pleasure to talk with.
Thank you Vince. And thank you all on the forum. I hope in the future I can
contribute to this list the way you guys do..Thank y
o!
> u all again.
>
> My appologies to Richard if the pic is too big. I tried.
>
> --------
> Jim P
> WAR EAGLE
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| Subject: | Re: I think it's finally an airplane!!! |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Beautiful plane Jim! |
Jim,
You plane looks great! I am wondering if the dihederal in the wings is to the Kolb
normal amount for your plane, or did you increase it?
Have fun!
Nick Cassara
Palmer, AK
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| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Beautiful plane Jim! |
Jim,
You plane looks great! I am wondering if the dihederal in the wings is to the Kolb
normal amount for your plane, or did you increase it?
Have fun!
Nick Cassara
Palmer, AK
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| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Beautiful plane Jim! |
Jim,
You plane looks great! I am wondering if the dihederal in the wings is to the Kolb
normal amount for your plane, or did you increase it?
Have fun!
Nick Cassara
Palmer, AK
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| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Beautiful plane Jim! |
Jim,
You plane looks great! I am wondering if the dihederal in the wings is to the Kolb
normal amount for your plane, or did you increase it?
Have fun!
Nick Cassara
Palmer, AK
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| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Beautiful plane Jim! |
Jim,
You plane looks great! I am wondering if the dihederal in the wings is to the Kolb
normal amount for your plane, or did you increase it?
Have fun!
Nick Cassara
Palmer, AK
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| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Beautiful plane Jim! |
Jim,
You plane looks great! I am wondering if the dihederal in the wings is to the Kolb
normal amount for your plane, or did you increase it?
Have fun!
Nick Cassara
Palmer, AK
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| Subject: | Re: I think it's finally an airplane!!! |
| From: | "japowell" <japnmjp(at)twc.com> |
Thanks guys. Without this forum and some good tips and advice from Richard, Vince
and Ted, it would not have been possible. I just hope it flies as good as
it looks.
--------
Jim P
WAR EAGLE
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: I think it's finally an airplane!!! |
Jim,
Beautiful rebuild! You are going to love it.
Bill Varnes
Kolb FireStar
Audubon, NJ
In a message dated 9/1/2017 8:56:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
japnmjp(at)twc.com writes:
Last Dec., I purchased a trailer full of parts from Mr. Pike. Thank you
Richard. I have had a ball rebuilding this thing into a sweet little plane.
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| Subject: | Re: Beautiful plane Jim! |
| From: | "japowell" <japnmjp(at)twc.com> |
I did not. Vince had 3* in it when he flew it. If you check the archives, he did
a pretty thorough write up about this. Richard thought that the struts I got
were the original per plans struts. When I rigged the wings they were at the
3* that Vince originally put in it. After reading all about him trimming the
plane, I left it as he flew it. Hope it works out.
--------
Jim P
WAR EAGLE
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| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Beautiful plane Jim! |
Jim,
You plane looks great! I am wondering if the dihederal in the wings is to the Kolb
normal amount for your plane, or did you increase it?
Have fun!
Nick Cassara
Palmer, AK
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| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Beautiful plane Jim! |
Jim,
You plane looks great! I am wondering if the dihederal in the wings is to the Kolb
normal amount for your plane, or did you increase it?
Have fun!
Nick Cassara
Palmer, AK
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| Subject: | Advise on radio and headset |
| From: | "dansbird" <hemidann(at)yahoo.com> |
I would like to get some input and advise on an inexpensive hand held radio and
a headset as well. I looked on Ebay but there were way to many choices to pick
from and I have no experience with radios at all.
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| From: | <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Advise on radio and headset |
I've flown all over CONUS, Canada, and Alaska, with an ICOM IC-A6 handheld.
Sporty's has them for 239.00 dollars. They come with a charger, headset adapter,
and some other stuff.
I fly with a DRE-6000 ANR headset, the cheapest of the ANRs, but they get the job
done.
http://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/icom-ic-a6-com-transceiver.html?utm_source=google_shopping&m=simple&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Radios+%26+Scanners&creative=76141183015954&device=c&matchtype=e
john h
MKIII
Rock House, Burns Junction, Oregon
---- dansbird wrote:
>
> I would like to get some input and advise on an inexpensive hand held radio and
a headset as well. I looked on Ebay but there were way to many choices to pick
from and I have no experience with radios at all.
>
>
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| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Advise on radio and headset |
I have one Sigtronics headset that I have added a headsets inc. noise
canceling kit to and another off brand headset that I use for passengers.
Nether headset does the job. I have tried all kinds of foam ear plugs, ear
buds, etc. under these and nothing worked very. A few years ago I purchased
a set of Bose QC 20 ear buds that I wear under my heads sets and they are
wonderful. I plug the Bose ear buds into my intercom via a adapter instead
of my headsets. I use the headset microphone. I can fly for hours and my
ears aren't ringing from the flight noise. I normally fly with both noise
canceling systems turned on. I will fly without the Sigtronics noise
canceling kit operating but never without the Bose canceling.
I use the Bose ear buds for lots of other things also. When I was stuck on
a long commercial flight next to a screaming child, I just sat there
smiling.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 9:49 PM, wrote:
>
>
> I've flown all over CONUS, Canada, and Alaska, with an ICOM IC-A6 handheld.
>
> Sporty's has them for 239.00 dollars. They come with a charger, headset
> adapter, and some other stuff.
>
> I fly with a DRE-6000 ANR headset, the cheapest of the ANRs, but they get
> the job done.
>
> http://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/icom-ic-a6-com-
> transceiver.html?utm_source=google_shopping&m=simple&utm_
> medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Radios+%26+Scanners&creative
> 76141183015954&device=c&matchtype=e
>
> john h
> MKIII
> Rock House, Burns Junction, Oregon
>
>
> ---- dansbird wrote:
> >
> > I would like to get some input and advise on an inexpensive hand held
> radio and a headset as well. I looked on Ebay but there were way to many
> choices to pick from and I have no experience with radios at all.
> >
> >
> >
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| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Advise on radio and headset |
i also have sigtronics headsets,,,, the microphone were so sensitive they
picked up a lot of background noise..... I called the manufacturer and
they told me how to decrease the Mike gain it made a ton of
difference... They came at 100 percent, I turned them all the way
down... With my hearing the way it is now, I may need to turn it up 5
percent then see the difference.
On Sep 5, 2017 10:32 AM, "Rick Neilsen" wrote:
> I have one Sigtronics headset that I have added a headsets inc. noise
> canceling kit to and another off brand headset that I use for passengers.
> Nether headset does the job. I have tried all kinds of foam ear plugs, ear
> buds, etc. under these and nothing worked very. A few years ago I purchased
> a set of Bose QC 20 ear buds that I wear under my heads sets and they are
> wonderful. I plug the Bose ear buds into my intercom via a adapter instead
> of my headsets. I use the headset microphone. I can fly for hours and my
> ears aren't ringing from the flight noise. I normally fly with both noise
> canceling systems turned on. I will fly without the Sigtronics noise
> canceling kit operating but never without the Bose canceling.
>
> I use the Bose ear buds for lots of other things also. When I was stuck on
> a long commercial flight next to a screaming child, I just sat there
> smiling.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
> On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 9:49 PM, wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I've flown all over CONUS, Canada, and Alaska, with an ICOM IC-A6
>> handheld.
>>
>> Sporty's has them for 239.00 dollars. They come with a charger, headset
>> adapter, and some other stuff.
>>
>> I fly with a DRE-6000 ANR headset, the cheapest of the ANRs, but they get
>> the job done.
>>
>> http://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/icom-ic-a6-com-transceiver.
>> html?utm_source=google_shopping&m=simple&utm_medium
>> cpc&utm_campaign=Radios+%26+Scanners&creative=761411830159
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>> john h
>> MKIII
>> Rock House, Burns Junction, Oregon
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>> radio and a headset as well. I looked on Ebay but there were way to many
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
One of the guy's attending our fly - in is a former Kolb Firestar owner,
who has transitioned to an RV-7 and is still a good friend. His plane is
really nice with a great paint job, so he has a "repaint" fund to repair
all the damage that he is going to do to it while he is here. We were
intending to go to some of the places that we wanted to visit and he, on to
get some Spam can fuel, but we both decided that the smoke was just too
heavy to enjoy a flight, so we came back here to the Rockhouse. I decided
that I would video his landing so that his friends back home would have
something to make fun of him over. All of which I might add, probably do
not have even a little bit of adventure or the ability to laugh at
themselves that Ken has. Apparently the Kolb experience prepares one for
adventures such as these.
Hope that you enjoy!
https://vimeo.com/232524986
password owyheeflyer
Larry
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| From: | Jerry Flyer <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com> |
Cool video!! How do you get your airspeed and heading in the lower left?
Some slick iPhone app?
Jerry
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Larry Cottrell
wrote:
> One of the guy's attending our fly - in is a former Kolb Firestar owner,
> who has transitioned to an RV-7 and is still a good friend. His plane is
> really nice with a great paint job, so he has a "repaint" fund to repair
> all the damage that he is going to do to it while he is here. We were
> intending to go to some of the places that we wanted to visit and he, on to
> get some Spam can fuel, but we both decided that the smoke was just too
> heavy to enjoy a flight, so we came back here to the Rockhouse. I decided
> that I would video his landing so that his friends back home would have
> something to make fun of him over. All of which I might add, probably do
> not have even a little bit of adventure or the ability to laugh at
> themselves that Ken has. Apparently the Kolb experience prepares one for
> adventures such as these.
>
> Hope that you enjoy!
>
> https://vimeo.com/232524986
>
> password owyheeflyer
>
> Larry
>
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> others.*
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
It comes with the Garmin Virb camera. The edit program from Garmin is a bit
of a pain, but that is the only way to get the metrix.
Larry
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Jerry Flyer <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com> wrote:
> Cool video!! How do you get your airspeed and heading in the lower left?
> Some slick iPhone app?
> Jerry
>
> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Larry Cottrell
> wrote:
>
>> One of the guy's attending our fly - in is a former Kolb Firestar owner,
>> who has transitioned to an RV-7 and is still a good friend. His plane is
>> really nice with a great paint job, so he has a "repaint" fund to repair
>> all the damage that he is going to do to it while he is here. We were
>> intending to go to some of the places that we wanted to visit and he, on to
>> get some Spam can fuel, but we both decided that the smoke was just too
>> heavy to enjoy a flight, so we came back here to the Rockhouse. I decided
>> that I would video his landing so that his friends back home would have
>> something to make fun of him over. All of which I might add, probably do
>> not have even a little bit of adventure or the ability to laugh at
>> themselves that Ken has. Apparently the Kolb experience prepares one for
>> adventures such as these.
>>
>> Hope that you enjoy!
>>
>> https://vimeo.com/232524986
>>
>> password owyheeflyer
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> --
>> *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of
>> others.*
>>
>> *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
>> address before sending.*
>>
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| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
That's just so cool... great video Larry and thank you for takaing the time to
do these.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Tue, 9/5/17, Larry Cottrell wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: video
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com"
Date: Tuesday, September 5, 2017, 12:05 PM
One of the guy's
attending our fly - in is a former Kolb Firestar owner, who
has transitioned to an RV-7 and is still a good friend. His
plane is really nice with a great paint job, so he has a
"repaint" fund to repair all the damage that he is
going to do to it while he is here. We were intending to go
to some of the places that we wanted to visit and he, on to
get some Spam can fuel, but we both decided that the smoke
was just too heavy to enjoy a flight, so we came back here
to the Rockhouse. I decided that I would video his landing
so that his friends back home would have something to make
fun of him over. All of which I might add, probably do not
have even a little bit of adventure or the ability to laugh
at themselves that Ken has. Apparently the Kolb experience
prepares one for adventures such as these.
Hope that you enjoy!
https://vimeo.com/232524986
password owyheeflyer
Larry
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older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are
intolerant of others.
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it, please remove my email address before sending.
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| From: | "3benny3" <the3benny3(at)gmail.com> |
Yes thanks for the great videos! The grasshopper lands again made me chuckle. Nice
one
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912ul King Kolbra ;fun plane
O300 Cessna 172B ;travel plane
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Powerfin prop for sale |
I'm trying to clear out the hangar and I thought there might be a Kolber
needing a prop.
It's a four blade Powerfin with two blades. One blade has a repair in the
outboard three inches where my wire frame bifocals went through the prop.
The repair is CA mixed with cotton flox. Flew it about 6 hours total, it
had one when the glasses flew off my neck, and replaced it. The other was
replaced when some crush damage was found on one side of the blade shank. I
was told this is normal for a Powerfin and the shanks of all the blades
that came out of the hub showed similar damage during their ten year life.
The blades are "F" type, 68" diameter. I ran it on an HKS on my my trike
but I tried it on the Mk III with a 582 as a two blade and couldn't really
tell much difference from the Warp Drive that it normally runs.
$200 + shipping
Rick Girard
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Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Powerfin prop for sale |
| From: | "Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com> |
Did you see my PM? I'll try sending a email. THX!
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472594#472594
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| Subject: | Interesting wx site |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Not aviation specific, but still might be useful:
https://www.ventusky.com/
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
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| Subject: | Re: Interesting wx site |
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
Richard Pike wrote:
> Not aviation specific, but still might be useful:
> https://www.ventusky.com/
Very useful for those of us in SW FL.
Thanks!
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George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472755#472755
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| Subject: | Re: Interesting wx site |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
George Alexander wrote:
>
> Richard Pike wrote:
> > Not aviation specific, but still might be useful:
> > https://www.ventusky.com/
>
>
> Very useful for those of us in SW FL.
> Thanks!
Yeah, I got if from my brother in Pensacola. He is probably also taking a great
interest...
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | 2 stroke oil type? |
I'm getting ready to crank the restored Twinstar for the (my) 1st time, and
I've been doing some reading on oil requirements for Rotax 2 strokes. The
only thing I've been able to find in the Rotax manual is to use either
ASTM-CEC or API-TC. The stuff I'm finding at local suppliers seems to call
itself TC-W3, but says it's good for TC (says it's good for both water and
air cooled 2 strokes).
I also read a warning from one engine vendor saying to avoid synthetic 2
stroke oil, claiming that it would run off surfaces easier than 'natural'
oil. That's a confusing statement to me, because in the 4 stroke world,
it's the opposite.
So, is any TC-W3 oil OK for an air cooled Rotax? What about synthetics?
I've got 8 oz of Amsoil synthetic begging to be mixed with my gas (premium,
alcohol-free auto gas).
Thanks,
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 277 head |
| From: | "japowell" <japnmjp(at)twc.com> |
Don't have a head but curious about the 'fly'. How is it turning out, final weight
and flying characteristics? Got mine in hanger doing final assembly and
rigging.
--------
Jim P
WAR EAGLE
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472776#472776
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 277 head |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Flies excellent. Climb rate is pretty good, somewhere between 5-700'/min, which
is surprising given just a 277, but then it is light. Weight is between 260 and
262, we are hoping to get an A&P friend to weigh it soon on his scales and
sign off the papers that certify that it qualifies for part 103. We have a hand
deployed parachute that weighs 9 pounds, so using the 25 pound leeway the FAA
gives you for a parachute, it will "legally" weigh 246 pounds & qualify for
Part 103.
Initially we had a lot of problems with vibration, have eliminated most of it,
still trying to smooth it out some more. We replaced the rubber motor mounts with
new ones ($ouch$) but can't tell any improvement in the vibration. Modified
the muffler mounts once, will be modifying them again because we are still not
completely satisfied with how they are working out. The muffler keeps wanting
to hang crooked.
If anyone has an old Fisher style muffler that has the long straight expansion
cone, and you want to sell it, let me know. Or even just the expansion cone.
Also be interested in buying one of those Balance Master mercury rings if someone
has one of those for sale.
Next step will probably be to add a third blade to the Ivoprop, that ought to help
the vibration some.
There is going to be a Fly-In at Greenville airport (GCY) this Saturday, we are
planning to trailer it down there, put it together, fly it, and trailer it home,
so that will be the first real test to see how well it does what we made it
to do.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
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| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2 stroke oil type? |
Charlie -
Your question seems to come up on this - and other lists - every year or tw
o. You'll get impassioned responses as any pilots seem to regard their choi
ce of oil as sacrosanct.
Personally, I used Penzoil Air-Cooled religiously for my 503 except when I
was flying long cross countries, since it just wasn't easily available. So
I'd drain all the Penzoil and switch to a TC-W3 oil. ANY TC-W3 oil - Walmar
t, Auto Zone. it didn't seem to matter at all.
Then Penzoil quit making the air-cooled, and I went to a 582, and I had dif
ficulty getting the Shell oil that is now recommended - so I went to straig
ht TC-W3 oil - again, regardless of brand.
I've got over 1000 hours on 582s, and have only used TC-W3. No problems at
all.HOWEVER - that's just my personal experience, and you can't extrapolate
a conclusion from only one example.
Good luck with your decision.
Arty TrostSandy, Oregon
=C2-www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm "Life's a daring adven
ture or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arr
ive safely at death."
From: Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 5:52 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: 2 stroke oil type?
I'm getting ready to crank the restored Twinstar for the (my) 1st time, and
I've been doing some reading on oil requirements for Rotax 2 strokes. The
only thing I've been able to find in the Rotax manual is to use either ASTM
-CEC or API-TC. The stuff I'm finding at local suppliers seems to call itse
lf TC-W3, but says it's good for TC (says it's good for both water and air
cooled 2 strokes).=C2-
I also read a warning from one engine vendor saying to avoid synthetic 2 st
roke oil, claiming that it would run off surfaces easier than 'natural' oil
. That's a confusing statement to me, because in the 4 stroke world, it's t
he opposite.
So, is any TC-W3 oil OK for an air cooled Rotax? What about synthetics? I'v
e got 8 oz of Amsoil synthetic begging to be mixed with my gas (premium, al
cohol-free auto gas).
Thanks,
Charlie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2 stroke oil type? |
I am afraid that I don't know what oil most are using on their engines (
since the demise of Pennzoil air cooled) but I will warn you that
depending on the designation of TW3 to get the proper oil will get you the
experience of a de- carbon within 30 days. Hopefully someone will pop up
with the best soon. Just be aware that the local oil company will give you
more carbon than you want.
Larry
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 6:47 AM, Charlie England
wrote:
> I'm getting ready to crank the restored Twinstar for the (my) 1st time,
> and I've been doing some reading on oil requirements for Rotax 2 strokes.
> The only thing I've been able to find in the Rotax manual is to use either
> ASTM-CEC or API-TC. The stuff I'm finding at local suppliers seems to call
> itself TC-W3, but says it's good for TC (says it's good for both water and
> air cooled 2 strokes).
>
> I also read a warning from one engine vendor saying to avoid synthetic 2
> stroke oil, claiming that it would run off surfaces easier than 'natural'
> oil. That's a confusing statement to me, because in the 4 stroke world,
> it's the opposite.
>
> So, is any TC-W3 oil OK for an air cooled Rotax? What about synthetics?
> I've got 8 oz of Amsoil synthetic begging to be mixed with my gas (premium,
> alcohol-free auto gas).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
>
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others.*
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| From: | <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2 stroke oil type? |
We had excellent results with a 503 and 582 burning Wal-mart Two Stroke TCW-3 oil
by the gal.
When a friend was ready to break in his 503 I gave him two gals of Wal-mart TCW-3
oil which had sat on a shelf at my hose for 15 to 20 years. He burned that,
with 87 octane ethanol free gas, and many more gals before he finished his MKIII
and powered it with the engine from John Williamson's Kolbra. The FS and
503 were sold to a local who has since flown the same engine with no problems.
I don't have a 2 stroke powered airplane anymore, but burn Wal-mart TCW-3 in many
two powered machines.
You'll get all kinds of answers to the two stroke oil question. I think as long
as the two stroke is run hard it will perform well with any two stroke oil.
My own personal opinion and experience, of course.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, Oregon
---- Charlie England wrote:
> I'm getting ready to crank the restored Twinstar for the (my) 1st time, and
> I've been doing some reading on oil requirements for Rotax 2 strokes. The
> only thing I've been able to find in the Rotax manual is to use either
> ASTM-CEC or API-TC. The stuff I'm finding at local suppliers seems to call
> itself TC-W3, but says it's good for TC (says it's good for both water and
> air cooled 2 strokes).
>
> I also read a warning from one engine vendor saying to avoid synthetic 2
> stroke oil, claiming that it would run off surfaces easier than 'natural'
> oil. That's a confusing statement to me, because in the 4 stroke world,
> it's the opposite.
>
> So, is any TC-W3 oil OK for an air cooled Rotax? What about synthetics?
> I've got 8 oz of Amsoil synthetic begging to be mixed with my gas (premium,
> alcohol-free auto gas).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2 stroke oil type? |
As you can see, the response about TC-W3 can be interesting. If you really
want to get a response, take it to the Rotax forum.
Regardless, there is one thing you need to know, NEVER EVER mix API-TC and
TC-W3. Especially in oil injection systems. They coagulate when mixed. This
isn't an urban myth, I asked the engineers at Shell Oil and they confirmed
it. I don't know what happens when you mix them together with gasoline, but
I don't do that with mine, either.
Rick Girard
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:40 AM, wrote:
>
> We had excellent results with a 503 and 582 burning Wal-mart Two Stroke
> TCW-3 oil by the gal.
>
> When a friend was ready to break in his 503 I gave him two gals of
> Wal-mart TCW-3 oil which had sat on a shelf at my hose for 15 to 20 years
.
> He burned that, with 87 octane ethanol free gas, and many more gals befor
e
> he finished his MKIII and powered it with the engine from John Williamson
's
> Kolbra. The FS and 503 were sold to a local who has since flown the same
> engine with no problems.
>
> I don't have a 2 stroke powered airplane anymore, but burn Wal-mart TCW-3
> in many two powered machines.
>
> You'll get all kinds of answers to the two stroke oil question. I think
> as long as the two stroke is run hard it will perform well with any two
> stroke oil. My own personal opinion and experience, of course.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Rock House, Oregon
>
>
> ---- Charlie England wrote:
> > I'm getting ready to crank the restored Twinstar for the (my) 1st time,
> and
> > I've been doing some reading on oil requirements for Rotax 2 strokes. T
he
> > only thing I've been able to find in the Rotax manual is to use either
> > ASTM-CEC or API-TC. The stuff I'm finding at local suppliers seems to
> call
> > itself TC-W3, but says it's good for TC (says it's good for both water
> and
> > air cooled 2 strokes).
> >
> > I also read a warning from one engine vendor saying to avoid synthetic
2
> > stroke oil, claiming that it would run off surfaces easier than 'natura
l'
> > oil. That's a confusing statement to me, because in the 4 stroke world,
> > it's the opposite.
> >
> > So, is any TC-W3 oil OK for an air cooled Rotax? What about synthetics?
> > I've got 8 oz of Amsoil synthetic begging to be mixed with my gas
> (premium,
> > alcohol-free auto gas).
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Charlie
>
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2 stroke oil type? |
I thought the 2 stroke oil thing was over. But, it likes to come back from time
to time.
Any quality "Air Cooled" oil is good. Most are synthetic blends these days. Rotax
recommends AV-2. Which is good and available in gallons from Aircraft Spruce.
That's just one of many sources. I use Lucas Air Cooled 2 cycle and it is
really good. No carbon problems at all. It's also a blend. My little old original
377 loves the stuff. My experience has been find one you like and stick with
it. Don't switch around all the time. Mix 50:1 in Rotax engines period. That's
just My experience and opinion and we all know what that's worth.
George H.
Firestar, FS100, 1986
Mesick, Michigan
Have a great day!
> On Sep 11, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Charlie England wrote:
>
> I'm getting ready to crank the restored Twinstar for the (my) 1st time, and I've
been doing some reading on oil requirements for Rotax 2 strokes. The only
thing I've been able to find in the Rotax manual is to use either ASTM-CEC or
API-TC. The stuff I'm finding at local suppliers seems to call itself TC-W3, but
says it's good for TC (says it's good for both water and air cooled 2 strokes).
>
> I also read a warning from one engine vendor saying to avoid synthetic 2 stroke
oil, claiming that it would run off surfaces easier than 'natural' oil. That's
a confusing statement to me, because in the 4 stroke world, it's the opposite.
>
> So, is any TC-W3 oil OK for an air cooled Rotax? What about synthetics? I've
got 8 oz of Amsoil synthetic begging to be mixed with my gas (premium, alcohol-free
auto gas).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 2 stroke oil type? |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
Hi George,
To be honest, I didn't know there ever was a thing until I started
reading on the interwebs. :-)
I did know that at some point there was a difference between oil for
water cooled vs air cooled two strokes, and that's what prompted the
original message. There doesn't seem to be much info from the oil
companies on what's different between API-TC & TC-W3. That makes it
tempting to assume that the latter is an improved TC, but I try not to
assume any more than I have to.
Charlie
On 9/11/2017 2:00 PM, George Helton wrote:
>
> I thought the 2 stroke oil thing was over. But, it likes to come back from time
to time.
> Any quality "Air Cooled" oil is good. Most are synthetic blends these days. Rotax
recommends AV-2. Which is good and available in gallons from Aircraft Spruce.
That's just one of many sources. I use Lucas Air Cooled 2 cycle and it is
really good. No carbon problems at all. It's also a blend. My little old original
377 loves the stuff. My experience has been find one you like and stick
with it. Don't switch around all the time. Mix 50:1 in Rotax engines period. That's
just My experience and opinion and we all know what that's worth.
> George H.
> Firestar, FS100, 1986
> Mesick, Michigan
>
> Have a great day!
>
>> On Sep 11, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Charlie England wrote:
>>
>> I'm getting ready to crank the restored Twinstar for the (my) 1st time, and
I've been doing some reading on oil requirements for Rotax 2 strokes. The only
thing I've been able to find in the Rotax manual is to use either ASTM-CEC or
API-TC. The stuff I'm finding at local suppliers seems to call itself TC-W3,
but says it's good for TC (says it's good for both water and air cooled 2 strokes).
>>
>> I also read a warning from one engine vendor saying to avoid synthetic 2 stroke
oil, claiming that it would run off surfaces easier than 'natural' oil. That's
a confusing statement to me, because in the 4 stroke world, it's the opposite.
>>
>> So, is any TC-W3 oil OK for an air cooled Rotax? What about synthetics? I've
got 8 oz of Amsoil synthetic begging to be mixed with my gas (premium, alcohol-free
auto gas).
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Charlie
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2 stroke oil type? |
Charlie, you can drive yourself crazy trying to figure this stuff out. API-TC is
the standard that I use for (TC) Two Cycle air cooled engines. API stands for
American petroleum institute. W-3 (water cooled generation three) is a outboard
motor manufacturers organization standard.
Who's right? Beats me!?? Like I said. I'd find a "Air Cooled" 2 cycle oil that
you can readily obtain and works well in your engine and stay with it. Always
take it easy on your engine for a couple of when changing brands. Most of the
engine failures that I have seen over the years were the result of guys all switching
to the latest and greatest. Beware of snake oil and unicorn ear wax. I'm
smiling...
George H.
Have a great day!
> On Sep 11, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Charlie England wrote:
>
>
> Hi George,
>
> To be honest, I didn't know there ever was a thing until I started reading on
the interwebs. :-)
>
> I did know that at some point there was a difference between oil for water cooled
vs air cooled two strokes, and that's what prompted the original message.
There doesn't seem to be much info from the oil companies on what's different
between API-TC & TC-W3. That makes it tempting to assume that the latter is an
improved TC, but I try not to assume any more than I have to.
>
> Charlie
>
>> On 9/11/2017 2:00 PM, George Helton wrote:
>>
>> I thought the 2 stroke oil thing was over. But, it likes to come back from time
to time.
>> Any quality "Air Cooled" oil is good. Most are synthetic blends these days.
Rotax recommends AV-2. Which is good and available in gallons from Aircraft Spruce.
That's just one of many sources. I use Lucas Air Cooled 2 cycle and it
is really good. No carbon problems at all. It's also a blend. My little old original
377 loves the stuff. My experience has been find one you like and stick
with it. Don't switch around all the time. Mix 50:1 in Rotax engines period.
That's just My experience and opinion and we all know what that's worth.
>> George H.
>> Firestar, FS100, 1986
>> Mesick, Michigan
>>
>> Have a great day!
>>
>>> On Sep 11, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Charlie England wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm getting ready to crank the restored Twinstar for the (my) 1st time, and
I've been doing some reading on oil requirements for Rotax 2 strokes. The only
thing I've been able to find in the Rotax manual is to use either ASTM-CEC or
API-TC. The stuff I'm finding at local suppliers seems to call itself TC-W3,
but says it's good for TC (says it's good for both water and air cooled 2 strokes).
>>>
>>> I also read a warning from one engine vendor saying to avoid synthetic 2 stroke
oil, claiming that it would run off surfaces easier than 'natural' oil. That's
a confusing statement to me, because in the 4 stroke world, it's the opposite.
>>>
>>> So, is any TC-W3 oil OK for an air cooled Rotax? What about synthetics? I've
got 8 oz of Amsoil synthetic begging to be mixed with my gas (premium, alcohol-free
auto gas).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Charlie
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 2 stroke oil type? |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
I won't obsess over it; just didn't want to make an easily avoided
mistake. Some of the W3 stuff actually says it meets TC specs too, so I
can live (I hope) with that. This plane is dirt simple, even for a Kolb.
No battery or starter, original point ignition, minimal instruments;
just a before breakfast/after dinner flyer.
I do appreciate everyone's insight. If any of us cross paths, I'd be
happy to swap rides with you. Right/back seat in your Kolb for back seat
in my RV (airborne version).
Charlie
If the 503 goes to lunch, there will probably be an electric motor in my
future. I doubt I'll ever fly this thing more than 30 minutes, or leave
sight of the runway, anyway.
On 9/11/2017 4:40 PM, George Helton wrote:
>
> Charlie, you can drive yourself crazy trying to figure this stuff out. API-TC
is the standard that I use for (TC) Two Cycle air cooled engines. API stands
for American petroleum institute. W-3 (water cooled generation three) is a outboard
motor manufacturers organization standard.
> Who's right? Beats me!?? Like I said. I'd find a "Air Cooled" 2 cycle oil that
you can readily obtain and works well in your engine and stay with it. Always
take it easy on your engine for a couple of when changing brands. Most of the
engine failures that I have seen over the years were the result of guys all
switching to the latest and greatest. Beware of snake oil and unicorn ear wax.
I'm smiling...
> George H.
>
> Have a great day!
>
>> On Sep 11, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Charlie England wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi George,
>>
>> To be honest, I didn't know there ever was a thing until I started reading on
the interwebs. :-)
>>
>> I did know that at some point there was a difference between oil for water cooled
vs air cooled two strokes, and that's what prompted the original message.
There doesn't seem to be much info from the oil companies on what's different
between API-TC & TC-W3. That makes it tempting to assume that the latter is
an improved TC, but I try not to assume any more than I have to.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>> On 9/11/2017 2:00 PM, George Helton wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought the 2 stroke oil thing was over. But, it likes to come back from
time to time.
>>> Any quality "Air Cooled" oil is good. Most are synthetic blends these days.
Rotax recommends AV-2. Which is good and available in gallons from Aircraft Spruce.
That's just one of many sources. I use Lucas Air Cooled 2 cycle and it
is really good. No carbon problems at all. It's also a blend. My little old original
377 loves the stuff. My experience has been find one you like and stick
with it. Don't switch around all the time. Mix 50:1 in Rotax engines period.
That's just My experience and opinion and we all know what that's worth.
>>> George H.
>>> Firestar, FS100, 1986
>>> Mesick, Michigan
>>>
>>> Have a great day!
>>>
>>>> On Sep 11, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Charlie England wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm getting ready to crank the restored Twinstar for the (my) 1st time, and
I've been doing some reading on oil requirements for Rotax 2 strokes. The only
thing I've been able to find in the Rotax manual is to use either ASTM-CEC
or API-TC. The stuff I'm finding at local suppliers seems to call itself TC-W3,
but says it's good for TC (says it's good for both water and air cooled 2 strokes).
>>>>
>>>> I also read a warning from one engine vendor saying to avoid synthetic 2 stroke
oil, claiming that it would run off surfaces easier than 'natural' oil.
That's a confusing statement to me, because in the 4 stroke world, it's the opposite.
>>>>
>>>> So, is any TC-W3 oil OK for an air cooled Rotax? What about synthetics? I've
got 8 oz of Amsoil synthetic begging to be mixed with my gas (premium, alcohol-free
auto gas).
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
We are right in the middle of our fly-in, and of course I am as busy as a
one armed paper hanger, but I managed to squeeze out a video for those who
could not attend. The smoke from all the fires that encircle us was pretty
bad this year. It has cleared out now, but who knows how long that will
last. The smoke cut into our airplanes flying here, and most people
attended by driving. That however does not cut into the fun at all.
Since I am so much in demand, the sound track on this one is way out of
balance, due to my ability to "multi-task" or is it lack. I just didn't
have the energy to redo the whole thing. when I found out that I had messed
up.
This video is of a geothermal hot spot about 40 miles west of us.
Larry
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 6:05 PM
Subject: video
See what I mean by distracted, sigh!
We are right in the middle of our fly-in, and of course I am as busy as a
one armed paper hanger, but I managed to squeeze out a video for those who
could not attend. The smoke from all the fires that encircle us was pretty
bad this year. It has cleared out now, but who knows how long that will
last. The smoke cut into our airplanes flying here, and most people
attended by driving. That however does not cut into the fun at all.
Since I am so much in demand, the sound track on this one is way out of
balance, due to my ability to "multi-task" or is it lack. I just didn't
have the energy to redo the whole thing. when I found out that I had messed
up.
This video is of a geothermal hot spot about 40 miles west of us.
https://vimeo.com/233384168
pass word owyheeflyer
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| From: | <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2 stroke oil type? |
The old Rotax 2 cycle 2 cylinder engines use dual point ignition. Point dwell/point
gap determines ign timing. Point rubbing blocks wear quicking on occasion,
which in turn changes timing. Each cylinder timing is controlled by each
set of points. Point ign's caused many engine failures in the old days prior
to CDI. Most folks blamed the failures on oil, fuel mixture, spark plugs, etc.
I put a lot of hours on my 447 point ign engines in a short period of time on extremely
long distance flights for ultralights back in the 1980's. On flights
from Alabama to NY I would have to adj points, sometimes replace because the
rubbing blocks would wear excessively. On one flight to NY I had to replace both
coils that had vibrated to the point of nearly falling out of their mounts.
Growing up in the 1940s and 50s I remember most two stroke engines were run on
whatever oil was available around the house and farm. Put a lot of miles on a
Harley-Davidson 125cc two stroke motorcycle draining motor oil out of used cans
and bottles at service stations. Same for outboard marine engines.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, Oregon
Early timing caused by point rubbing block wear caused a lot of burned pistons
and engine failures. CDI on the newer engines was a blessing.
---- George Helton wrote:
>
> Charlie, you can drive yourself crazy trying to figure this stuff out. API-TC
is the standard that I use for (TC) Two Cycle air cooled engines. API stands
for American petroleum institute. W-3 (water cooled generation three) is a outboard
motor manufacturers organization standard.
> Who's right? Beats me!?? Like I said. I'd find a "Air Cooled" 2 cycle oil that
you can readily obtain and works well in your engine and stay with it. Always
take it easy on your engine for a couple of when changing brands. Most of the
engine failures that I have seen over the years were the result of guys all
switching to the latest and greatest. Beware of snake oil and unicorn ear wax.
I'm smiling...
> George H.
>
> Have a great day!
>
> > On Sep 11, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Charlie England wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi George,
> >
> > To be honest, I didn't know there ever was a thing until I started reading
on the interwebs. :-)
> >
> > I did know that at some point there was a difference between oil for water
cooled vs air cooled two strokes, and that's what prompted the original message.
There doesn't seem to be much info from the oil companies on what's different
between API-TC & TC-W3. That makes it tempting to assume that the latter is
an improved TC, but I try not to assume any more than I have to.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> >> On 9/11/2017 2:00 PM, George Helton wrote:
> >>
> >> I thought the 2 stroke oil thing was over. But, it likes to come back from
time to time.
> >> Any quality "Air Cooled" oil is good. Most are synthetic blends these days.
Rotax recommends AV-2. Which is good and available in gallons from Aircraft
Spruce. That's just one of many sources. I use Lucas Air Cooled 2 cycle and it
is really good. No carbon problems at all. It's also a blend. My little old
original 377 loves the stuff. My experience has been find one you like and stick
with it. Don't switch around all the time. Mix 50:1 in Rotax engines period.
That's just My experience and opinion and we all know what that's worth.
> >> George H.
> >> Firestar, FS100, 1986
> >> Mesick, Michigan
> >>
> >> Have a great day!
> >>
> >>> On Sep 11, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Charlie England wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm getting ready to crank the restored Twinstar for the (my) 1st time, and
I've been doing some reading on oil requirements for Rotax 2 strokes. The only
thing I've been able to find in the Rotax manual is to use either ASTM-CEC
or API-TC. The stuff I'm finding at local suppliers seems to call itself TC-W3,
but says it's good for TC (says it's good for both water and air cooled 2 strokes).
> >>>
> >>> I also read a warning from one engine vendor saying to avoid synthetic 2
stroke oil, claiming that it would run off surfaces easier than 'natural' oil.
That's a confusing statement to me, because in the 4 stroke world, it's the opposite.
> >>>
> >>> So, is any TC-W3 oil OK for an air cooled Rotax? What about synthetics? I've
got 8 oz of Amsoil synthetic begging to be mixed with my gas (premium, alcohol-free
auto gas).
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Charlie
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: 2 stroke oil type? |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Lots of good stuff on here. Perhaps the best advice was to find something you like
and stick with it. Availability counts for a lot. I have been using Phillips
Injex 2 stroke oil since 1983 with good results, it is a TC-W3 oil. One summer
I used nothing but Pennzoil just to see if it made any difference. Seemed
like there were a lot more oily carbon spots on the tail, but aside from that
it worked good too.
When you find what you like, buy it by the case, it keeps well.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for another great video, Larry. I went up for breakfast flight to Moo
rsetown, Michigan and believe or not our skies are filled with the smoke fro
m your fires out west. Visibility is less then 10 miles. Normally it's 25 to
50miles. George H.
Firestar, FS100, 1986
Have a great day!
> On Sep 11, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Larry Cottrell wrot
e:
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 6:05 PM
> Subject: video
> To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com"
>
> See what I mean by distracted, sigh!
>
> We are right in the middle of our fly-in, and of course I am as busy as a o
ne armed paper hanger, but I managed to squeeze out a video for those who co
uld not attend. The smoke from all the fires that encircle us was pretty bad
this year. It has cleared out now, but who knows how long that will last. T
he smoke cut into our airplanes flying here, and most people attended by dri
ving. That however does not cut into the fun at all.
>
> Since I am so much in demand, the sound track on this one is way out of ba
lance, due to my ability to "multi-task" or is it lack. I just didn't have t
he energy to redo the whole thing. when I found out that I had messed up.
>
> This video is of a geothermal hot spot about 40 miles west of us.
>
> https://vimeo.com/233384168 pass word owyheeflyer
>
> Larry
>
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| Subject: | Re: 2 stroke oil type? |
| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
Here in Minnesota there are plenty of snowmobile dealers. So I have been using
Polaris two stroke oil, sold in bulk, bring back the one gal jug for a refill.
OK that was to keep it about Kolbs. John H. , you touched a nerve! here is the
Harley 165CC my dad bought for me back in the mid sixty's. I still have it.
--------
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Hastings, MN
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | videos of my area |
While this video isn't from a Kolb, it is of the area around my house. I
felt that you might enjoy it.
Larry
https://vimeo.com/233776389
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: videos of my area |
Beautiful country, Larry. Great video.
Have a great day!
> On Sep 14, 2017, at 9:58 AM, Larry Cottrell wrot
e:
>
> While this video isn't from a Kolb, it is of the area around my house. I f
elt that you might enjoy it.
> Larry
>
> https://vimeo.com/233776389 password owyheeflyer
>
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| Subject: | Re: videos of my area |
| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks for another look at your part of the world.
Keep them coming.
--------
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Hastings, MN
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| From: | Ted Cowan <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Rotax 912r in oil |
Anyone ever have a little white slime in there radiator overflow tank? Doesnt
seem like oil. No water in oil. No oil missing. No water missing. Just this
smudge of white foam left when water gets sucked back into radiator. All temps
normal. Ted cowan. Slingshot 912 ul zoom zoom
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| From: | "Bob" <rmurrill(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912r in oil |
Yes .. Often visible inside radiator cap and tank lip...small amount. Had
it with the yellow/green mix. Same with recently installed orange mix
antifreeze. Also noted that after removing heater, and changing 5 ft of 1
inch rubber hose to aluminum tube water pressure goes way down during low
throttle/descent. No water loss.
Bob
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From: Ted Cowan
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 2:16 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Rotax 912r in oil
Anyone ever have a little white slime in there radiator overflow tank?
Doesnt seem like oil. No water in oil. No oil missing. No water missing.
Just this smudge of white foam left when water gets sucked back into
radiator. All temps normal. Ted cowan. Slingshot 912 ul zoom zoom
Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Twinstar Mk3 Classic MAUW |
| From: | "normros" <norm2mac(at)gmail.com> |
Hi All, I've recently bought a Mk3 Classic, but I'm confused over the max weight.
I'm in the UK so it's classified as a "microlight". According to the CAA (Civil
Aviation Authority) MAUW is 390Kg (860lbs), the LAA (Light Aircraft Association)
who administer the type, its 405Kg (892lbs), and I've seen it on other
Kolb sites as 453Kg (1000lbs).
The engine is a 582 blue top.
Is there a "standard" MAUW for the aircraft on your side of the pond?, or do I
"play safe" and use 390Kg.?
Thanks.
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| From: | <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Twinstar Mk3 Classic MAUW |
As the manufacturer of my Kolb MKIII I placarded my Kolb for 1,200 lbs max gross
weight.
I have flown my MKIII at that take off weight many times in many different wind
and weather conditions over the past 25 years and 3,400.0+ hours. I feel comfortable
with the limits I imposed on my aircraft and feel it has been thoroughly
tested over the years and hours since the first flight.
I believe Kolb Aircraft recommended 1,000.0 lbs max gross weight for the MKIII.
I am not sure as I have never seen that figure on an official document.
During construction of my MKIII mods were made to increase strength and durability
of the aircraft.
Although I placarded my MKIII at 1,200.0 lbs, I don't recommend anyone else doing
that.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, Oregon
---- normros wrote:
>
> Hi All, I've recently bought a Mk3 Classic, but I'm confused over the max weight.
I'm in the UK so it's classified as a "microlight". According to the CAA
(Civil Aviation Authority) MAUW is 390Kg (860lbs), the LAA (Light Aircraft Association)
who administer the type, its 405Kg (892lbs), and I've seen it on other
Kolb sites as 453Kg (1000lbs).
> The engine is a 582 blue top.
> Is there a "standard" MAUW for the aircraft on your side of the pond?, or do
I "play safe" and use 390Kg.?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472918#472918
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: videos of my area |
| From: | "jonealjr" <jonealjr(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you for sharing, I hope to be there next year.
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| Subject: | Re: videos of my area |
| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
I have to find out when this get together is going to be next year earlier so I
can get the time off work to attend...
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Hastings, MN
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: videos of my area |
It will be the first weekend after labor day. If something should happen to
change it, come on anyhow, we will have more time to fly.
Larry
On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 6:31 PM, west1m wrote:
>
> I have to find out when this get together is going to be next year earlier
> so I can get the time off work to attend...
>
> --------
> West1m
> Hastings, MN
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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>
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| Subject: | Fuel level calibration |
| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
My Firefly has an EIS panel that I added. To that I have added a fuel level sender.
After initial install (I may have had to cut the probe, can't remember) and
calibration the EIS Shows full at 200 empty at 0. The 200 seems odd but quite
usable.
Recently it has lost calibration. I think it shows full at 50% and more. I haven't
had time to try and recalibrate yet but my question is, with the power off
etc, how does it maintain calibration? Is the calibration maintained in the
sender or EIS? anyone else had trouble with this?
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| Subject: | Re: videos of my area |
| From: | "weloveflying" <yourordinarybeing(at)gmail.com> |
You sure have a nice view up there. Great share, thanks for this! :D
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel level calibration |
I believe I have a Princeton sender on mine. I called EIS and Sandy, who
worked there at that time, told me the setting on the eis to use. Mine
registers 5 gallons when full and the alarm is set to go off at 1. Nothing
should change when the power is off. Its been so long ago, that of course I
cannot remember the setting, so you might call them. I will try to see if I
can find the documentation today.
Larry
On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 11:11 PM, west1m wrote:
>
> My Firefly has an EIS panel that I added. To that I have added a fuel
> level sender. After initial install (I may have had to cut the probe, can't
> remember) and calibration the EIS Shows full at 200 empty at 0. The 200
> seems odd but quite usable.
> Recently it has lost calibration. I think it shows full at 50% and more.
> I haven't had time to try and recalibrate yet but my question is, with the
> power off etc, how does it maintain calibration? Is the calibration
> maintained in the sender or EIS? anyone else had trouble with this?
>
> --------
> West1m
> Hastings, MN
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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>
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| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Eis fuel calibration |
The information is kept in both the sender and the EIS.
The sender has a calibration mode so that it knows what voltage to send
depending on the fuel level.
The EIS has program calibration settings so it knows what to display
depending on the voltage it receives
They both save their information in flash ( non volitol) memory
I have made a large assumption that the fuel sender is a capacitive
sender,,, that assumed, there is one thing that you need to know.
Ethonol free gasoline has a constant capacitive value,,, 10 percent ethonol
gasoline has a capacitive value that can be twice as much. Which may be
why a half tank reads full.... If I remember correctly the people who
manufactures prinston fuel senders, have a solution to this issue. If
switching between the two different fuels. They have a new sender with a
button that quickly adjust the scale factor. When you fill the tank with
a different ethonol content, you press the button, at that point it
assumes that whatever it is reading is at the same level that was programed
at the initial setup. If you press it when half full, it assumes that the
new fuel has a different capacitive value and it sets that level to read
full. if you have done this the eis will show that the level of your fuel
is dropping twice as fast as normal. as you approach empty the fuel level
showing and the actual fuel level become much closer to the same. so if
5 gal reads 10 .... 1 gal will read 2... .1 gal will read .2and 0 will
read 0..
That is what I understood after a phone call to prinston.
Boyd Young
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| Subject: | Re: Twinstar Mk3 Classic MAUW |
| From: | "normros" <norm2mac(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks John, I'm waiting to hear back from our LAA, but it looks like you guys
can operate at a greater MAUW than we're allowed to.
Ross
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| Subject: | Re: Eis fuel calibration |
| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
I thought you might be on to something with the ethanol gas. I always fill my can
at a Kwik Trip with the Ethanol free premium. A new bridge was opened in Stillwater
so I went to the airport over the new bridge forcing me to buy fuel at
a different station. My plane is an hour away so I could not check the tank
but there was about a cup left in the bottom of the can. I checked that fuel with
one of the test tube water testers and it shows no water, sooo.. I am back
to guessing what changed. I will try to recalibrate when I get a day off work
to get out there.
If you loo close you can see Randy and his BeLite down by the bridge.
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Eis fuel calibration |
Just a heads-up; same principle applies if you ever fuel with avgas;
capacitance changes. (Unfortunately, I've forgotten which direction...)
Charlie
On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:59 PM, west1m wrote:
>
> I thought you might be on to something with the ethanol gas. I always fill
> my can at a Kwik Trip with the Ethanol free premium. A new bridge was
> opened in Stillwater so I went to the airport over the new bridge forcing
> me to buy fuel at a different station. My plane is an hour away so I could
> not check the tank but there was about a cup left in the bottom of the can.
> I checked that fuel with one of the test tube water testers and it shows no
> water, sooo.. I am back to guessing what changed. I will try to recalibrate
> when I get a day off work to get out there.
> If you loo close you can see Randy and his BeLite down by the bridge.
>
> --------
> West1m
> Hastings, MN
>
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| Subject: | First flight for a noob |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
GCY had a Fly-In last Saturday, David & I flew down. After lunch, an obvious photographer
type was taking pictures and asking questions, and you know how it
is when your spider-sense tingles? I knew I had a live one...
"Would you like to go for a ride?" I said. Instantly, a dozen emotions flew across
her face. "I DON"T KNOW!" she replied, obviously terrified.
It turned out great. The thermals all took a break for the 20 minutes we flew around
the airport, and while not my best landing, it was far from my worst. Which
she commented on; "That was not nearly as violent as I was expecting." she
said. To which I replied "Yeah, we ought to still be able to use the airplane
again." I think she missed what I was trying to say.
Anyway, it was a great day, and later, on the way home, the variometer was bouncing
between 1600 up and 900 down - she probably wouldn't have liked that ride
nearly as much...
http://www.greenevillesun.com/news/local_news/fly-in-at-greeneville-greene-county-municipal-airport-drew-all/article_e335f754-7d75-58ab-a0d2-a121b916b761.html
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Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | Re: First flight for a noob |
| From: | "japowell" <japnmjp(at)twc.com> |
Good job Richard. Did you take the 'fly' down or the mk III?
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| Subject: | Re: First flight for a noob |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
I took the MKIII, it's in the article, that was how I was able to give her a ride.
David took the AirCam. The Firefly is getting better but I still want to
do some more work on the muffler brackets. Also, David was trying to start it
last week and the starter rope broke. Whatever kind of rope I put in it was obviously
not very good. He was going to go by a boat shop and see if he could find
some of the good stuff.
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Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | Re: Twinstar Mk3 Classic MAUW |
| From: | "normros" <norm2mac(at)gmail.com> |
Official MAUW is 390Kg (860lbs) in the U.K.
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| Subject: | Re: Twinstar Mk3 Classic MAUW |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Gracious: With full fuel, I'd barely be able to take my granddaughter.
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| Subject: | Re: Advise on radio and headset |
| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
Hi John
Do you use anything other than the stock antenna that came with your Icom?
Thx Mike
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Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
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| From: | <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Advise on radio and headset |
I use a 21" ELT antenna, may be a 24". Can't remember for sure.
About 6' of coax cable trimmed for best SWR.
The ICOM A6 is also very effective using the rubber ducky antenna. I carry it
in the aircraft in case I would have to use the radio outside the aircraft.
I have had good luck with ICOM handheld radios.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, Oregon
---- Mcabbage wrote:
>
> Hi John
> Do you use anything other than the stock antenna that came with your Icom?
> Thx Mike
>
> --------
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> Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
> Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473070#473070
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Advise on radio and headset |
| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
Thank you John.
--------
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Advise on radio and headset |
I believe the correct length for aircraft is 23.5 inches.
Larry
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 1:52 PM, wrote:
>
> I use a 21" ELT antenna, may be a 24". Can't remember for sure.
>
> About 6' of coax cable trimmed for best SWR.
>
> The ICOM A6 is also very effective using the rubber ducky antenna. I
> carry it in the aircraft in case I would have to use the radio outside the
> aircraft.
>
> I have had good luck with ICOM handheld radios.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Rock House, Oregon
>
>
> ---- Mcabbage wrote:
> >
> > Hi John
> > Do you use anything other than the stock antenna that came with your
> Icom?
> > Thx Mike
> >
> > --------
> > 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
> > Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
> > Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473070#473070
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Advise on radio and headset |
I believe the correct length for aircraft is 23.5 inches. That should give
you the best swr match.
Larry
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 1:52 PM, wrote:
>
> I use a 21" ELT antenna, may be a 24". Can't remember for sure.
>
> About 6' of coax cable trimmed for best SWR.
>
> The ICOM A6 is also very effective using the rubber ducky antenna. I
> carry it in the aircraft in case I would have to use the radio outside the
> aircraft.
>
> I have had good luck with ICOM handheld radios.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Rock House, Oregon
>
>
> ---- Mcabbage wrote:
> >
> > Hi John
> > Do you use anything other than the stock antenna that came with your
> Icom?
> > Thx Mike
> >
> > --------
> > 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
> > Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
> > Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473070#473070
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Advise on radio and headset |
| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
Thank you Larry.
Is it best to keep the antenna as far away from the engine as possible? I think
I remember reading that somewhere.
Does it matter?
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Advise on radio and headset |
I think most of us put them on the bottom of the cage, using the frame work
to enable us to put in a ground plane to secure it to.
Larry
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Mcabbage wrote:
>
> Thank you Larry.
>
> Is it best to keep the antenna as far away from the engine as possible? I
> think I remember reading that somewhere.
> Does it matter?
>
> --------
> 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
> Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
> Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473082#473082
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Advise on radio and headset |
| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
Ok I remember seeing a post about that a while back.
Will do a search. There was one on my plane before I stripped it of everything
to sandblast the frame. I also have pics I took too.
Thanks
Mike
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Advise on radio and headset |
There's a good article describing how to calculate length in a recent issue
of Kitplanes. There are several 'correction factors' that should be applied
(that shorten the length) after doing the speed of light/wavelength thing.
IIRC, final answer for middle of the a/c comm band was closer to 21"
BTW, if you're not a subscriber, Kitplanes is a really good resource for
DIY homebuilt owner/maintainers. The current editor is a former NASA
mission controller/manager who's also built a couple of RV's, a bush plane,
and a motor glider. Lots of really good techy how-to stuff in addition to
the 'feature' pieces. I've been doing pretty much everything mechanical for
over 50 years, and I still learn something from every issue.
Charlie
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Larry Cottrell
wrote:
>
> I believe the correct length for aircraft is 23.5 inches. That should give
> you the best swr match.
>
> Larry
>
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 1:52 PM, wrote:
>
>>
>> I use a 21" ELT antenna, may be a 24". Can't remember for sure.
>>
>> About 6' of coax cable trimmed for best SWR.
>>
>> The ICOM A6 is also very effective using the rubber ducky antenna. I
>> carry it in the aircraft in case I would have to use the radio outside the
>> aircraft.
>>
>> I have had good luck with ICOM handheld radios.
>>
>> john h
>> mkIII
>> Rock House, Oregon
>>
>>
>>
>> ---- Mcabbage wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi John
>> > Do you use anything other than the stock antenna that came with your
>> Icom?
>> > Thx Mike
>> >
>> > --------
>> > 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
>> > Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
>> > Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
>> >
>> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Advise on radio and headset |
| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
Thanks Charlie will check out he magazine too!
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| Subject: | Re: Advise on radio and headset |
| From: | "Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com> |
The location of the antenna can affect the radiation pattern. If using a whip
antenna, think of a doughnut over the wire.. and the signal strength is highest
were the doughnut is thickest. Very little signal strength off the end of the
antenna.. it's broadside that works. Since we fly horizontally, put the whip
near vertical, and in a clear area. A aluminum disk can be placed under the
fabric, to help establish a ground plane if needed on fabric airplanes, or the
SWR shows high. Since most of your communications will be with a tower, or
another nearby plane, range isn't typically a major factor. If the signal is
weak.. fly higher. That will have a more profound effect than any other factor,
if the install is working.
As with any remote antenna, make sure to use low loss foam core coax.. without
sharp kinks, and put a SWR meter between the radio and the cable to make sure
you don't have excessive standing waves (more likely caused by a short, or a bad
antenna, or connector install if done by a individual).
ECM, DF, and avionics repairman in Vietnam, 2nd class FCC license state side, and
2 more years avoinics, 2 years general 2-way communication, installs and bench
service to component level on all. Jerry
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| From: | <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Advise on radio and headset |
That sounds about right.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, Oregon
---- Larry Cottrell wrote:
> I believe the correct length for aircraft is 23.5 inches.
>
> Larry
>
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 1:52 PM, wrote:
>
> >
> > I use a 21" ELT antenna, may be a 24". Can't remember for sure.
> >
> > About 6' of coax cable trimmed for best SWR.
> >
> > The ICOM A6 is also very effective using the rubber ducky antenna. I
> > carry it in the aircraft in case I would have to use the radio outside the
> > aircraft.
> >
> > I have had good luck with ICOM handheld radios.
> >
> > john h
> > mkIII
> > Rock House, Oregon
> >
> >
> >
> > ---- Mcabbage wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi John
> > > Do you use anything other than the stock antenna that came with your
> > Icom?
> > > Thx Mike
> > >
> > > --------
> > > 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
> > > Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
> > > Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473070#473070
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
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| From: | <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Advise on radio and headset |
Meant to answer this in my previous.
My antenna is mounted under the nose cone on a 6 inch diameter aluminum sheet ground
plane. The stainless steel whip has a 45 degree bend in it.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, Oregon
---- Mcabbage wrote:
>
> Thank you Larry.
>
> Is it best to keep the antenna as far away from the engine as possible? I think
I remember reading that somewhere.
> Does it matter?
>
> --------
> 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
> Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
> Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473082#473082
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | GARY JINDRA <gajindra(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Zanesville Ohio fly in |
Remembered that someone on the Kolblist lived near Zanesville Oh. There wil
l be a couple of us flying Mark 3s into Zanesville for the fly in tomorrow
Sat. 23rd=C2-Gary JindraKolb mark 3
400 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Advise on radio and headset |
| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
Thanks John that is what the previous owner had. I guess I was being lazy and thinking
to use a hand held stand alone.
That being said I want as good as reasonable communications as possible so its
worth the time to re install.
Appreciate your help!
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Zanesville Ohio fly in |
| From: | "japowell" <japnmjp(at)twc.com> |
That would be me. I will be there. What time are you flying in?
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| Subject: | Re: Zanesville Ohio fly in |
| From: | "kenw" <worthken67(at)gmail.com> |
do you have any weekend pics to share....
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| From: | GARY JINDRA <gajindra(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Zanesville Ohio fly in |
sorry did not take any
=C2-Gary Jindra
From: kenw <worthken67(at)gmail.com>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:10 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Zanesville Ohio fly in
do you have any weekend pics to share....
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| Subject: | Re: Eis fuel calibration |
| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
I finally got out to the airport to try to calibrate the Westach fuel level probe.
Attempting to calibrate while in the tank by filling the tank and draining
did not work. I finally took the probe out of the tank and tried to calibrate
it by drying off the probe and shaking all the fuel out of the tube. It took
two tries but finally worked. Reinstalled and for now all is good again.
Flew to Red Wing and back refilling with 100LL in Red Wing and all is still good
for now. Looks like we went a week or two early for fall colors but a fun trip
anyway.
http://west1m.com/September27/index.html
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Hastings, MN
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Eis fuel calibration |
Fall colors are still a couple of weeks out here in northern Michigan too.
I shot and posted some early fall color video earlier this month and then
it warmed up and they stopped changing. My YouTube channel is : curiousgdh
George H.
Firestar, FS100
14GDH
Mesick, Michigan
gdhelton(at)gmail.com
On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 4:16 PM west1m wrote:
>
> I finally got out to the airport to try to calibrate the Westach fuel
> level probe. Attempting to calibrate while in the tank by filling the tank
> and draining did not work. I finally took the probe out of the tank and
> tried to calibrate it by drying off the probe and shaking all the fuel out
> of the tube. It took two tries but finally worked. Reinstalled and for now
> all is good again.
> Flew to Red Wing and back refilling with 100LL in Red Wing and all is
> still good for now. Looks like we went a week or two early for fall colors
> but a fun trip anyway.
> http://west1m.com/September27/index.html
>
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> West1m
> Hastings, MN
>
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| From: | willuribe(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Thinking of selling 2001 FireStar II |
Greetings,
I own a 2001 FireStar II sitting in my garage since the airport closed down in
2014. I don't really want to sell it but without an airport to fly it out off
and I need the space now for my travel trailer.
How much are the FireStar II with a 503, electric starter, EIS, BRS, 3 Kuntzleman strobes with nav lights and 3 blade IVO prop going for now a days? I have been out of touch with the Kolb community for too many years but if I decide to sell it I will post it on www.barnstormers.com.
Regards,
Will Uribe
https://youtu.be/FcJt8pkI_9U
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
I have a friend here that is interested in a Kolb. Anyone currently have
one for sale? It would be nice if it was reasonable.
Larry
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| From: | Mike <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb available? |
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| Subject: | Re: Thinking of selling 2001 FireStar II |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
The one in the hangar next to me went a couple weeks ago for around $9K, it had
been offered for sale all summer. It had a 582.
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Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | Bradley Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb available? |
Yes. I=99m selling my Xtra. It=99s listed on barnstormers,
KOLB MARK III XTRA 912UL 80HP
I can send them more information and photos.
Brad Nation
505-307-7831
> On Oct 2, 2017, at 18:06 , Larry Cottrell
wrote:
>
> I have a friend here that is interested in a Kolb. Anyone currently
have one for sale? It would be nice if it was reasonable.
> Larry
>
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Kenda tires, anyone? |
I've got a couple of brand new Kenda 4.00-6 tires that came with the
project I'm restoring. Anyone need 'em? Yours for the price of USPS
Priority shipping from zip 39209. No other shipping options; I don't want
to make a trip to the PO or UPS to ship them.
If you want them, email me direct with your shipping info, and I'll email
you the shipping cost. You can send the money via paypal 'friends & family'
to avoid it costing either of us any fees.
Charlie
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
A friend came back over to fly to some of the areas that were too smoky
during our fly-in. Visibility was great, temps were 31 this morning, and
winds were up to 12 MPH. I normally don't fly in that kind of winds simply
because it is too much work. I decided to go ahead in spite of the winds.
It was worth it of course.
https://vimeo.com/236684864 password owyheeflyer
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| From: | "Wayne Schneider" <jwaynes(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you, Larry. =C2-These videos inspire me. =C2-My Kolb is still sit
ting in my carport and I am soon going to retire. =C2-Then I can get it b
ack in the air. =C2-Keep them coming :)
Wayne
On 10/3/17 10:47:51 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
A friend came back over to fly to some of the areas that were too smoky dur
ing our fly-in. Visibility was great, temps were 31 this morning, and winds
were up to 12 MPH. I normally don't fly in that kind of winds simply becau
se it is too much work. I decided to go ahead in spite of the winds. It was
worth it of course.
https://vimeo.com/236684864 [https://vimeo.com/236684864]=C2- =C2-passw
ord=C2- =C2-owyheeflyer
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Thinking of selling 2001 FireStar II |
| From: | "woody" <n3022.176(at)gmail.com> |
That's what I paid for mine back in '14. Not bad considering just what an engine
with 20 hrs. would go for..........
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| From: | "woody" <n3022.176(at)gmail.com> |
Very pretty, as usual Larry. New camera? I didn't see the race track with accompanying
info.
I just got back from 2 wks. in SW Colorado. I would like to fly that area but
I wonder how my 503 would do with the 14,000 peaks..... [Shocked]
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
No I am still using the Virb, I just didn't run it through the Garmin edit
program. It takes almost twice as long to use and load the raw video, so I
got lazy and skipped that step.
The best thing to do with Mtns that high is to go around at about 100 feet.
:-) Nobody can have fun at 14000 feet altitude.
Larry
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 6:24 PM, woody wrote:
>
> Very pretty, as usual Larry. New camera? I didn't see the race track with
> accompanying info.
> I just got back from 2 wks. in SW Colorado. I would like to fly that area
> but I wonder how my 503 would do with the 14,000 peaks..... [Shocked]
>
>
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>
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| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks for another great flight! Good to see the smoke has left the area.
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Hastings, MN
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| From: | "John Gilpin" <j.gilpin(at)bigpond.com> |
I wonder how my 503 would do with the 14,000 peaks.....
I got to 13,200 near Telluride in my Firestar with a 503. With lower altitu
de jetting so running very rich, so could have done better with proper tuni
ng.... Still climbing slowly but me too cold to continue....
JG
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | wing center gap seal |
I need to add the center gap seal to the (1st gen) Twinstar I'm restoring.
The project came with a new, uninstalled, fabric seal with a zipper down
the middle. I've already recovered and painted (latex house paint) the
wings, & failed to mask off any fabric to attach the seal.
Looking at the way the seal is made, it appears to wrap around the motor
mount at the top rear, and wrap around the leading edge tubes in front and
extend back almost to the wing attach/pivot points on the bottom.
After a quick look around the interwebs, it would appear that several
different other methods have been employed over the years, including a
plexi seal offered by Kolb. I also remember comments about using aluminum.
So, my questions:
How far back must the seal extend on top? Is it worth the trouble to run it
back past the front of the motor mount? What about under the leading edge?
Does it help to carry it all the way to the wing attach points, or can it
simply wrap around the leading edge tubes?
For attachment, should it be velcro'd to each wing along its entire length,
or is it adequate to simply wrap it around the wing with attachments at the
rear and under the leading edge (or at the wing attach)?
Thanks for your insight,
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: wing center gap seal |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
On 10/5/2017 8:56 AM, Charlie England wrote:
> I need to add the center gap seal to the (1st gen) Twinstar I'm
> restoring. The project came with a new, uninstalled, fabric seal with
> a zipper down the middle. I've already recovered and painted (latex
> house paint) the wings, & failed to mask off any fabric to attach the
> seal.
>
> Looking at the way the seal is made, it appears to wrap around the
> motor mount at the top rear, and wrap around the leading edge tubes in
> front and extend back almost to the wing attach/pivot points on the
> bottom.
>
> After a quick look around the interwebs, it would appear that several
> different other methods have been employed over the years, including a
> plexi seal offered by Kolb. I also remember comments about using
> aluminum.
>
> So, my questions:
> How far back must the seal extend on top? Is it worth the trouble to
> run it back past the front of the motor mount? What about under the
> leading edge? Does it help to carry it all the way to the wing attach
> points, or can it simply wrap around the leading edge tubes?
>
> For attachment, should it be velcro'd to each wing along its entire
> length, or is it adequate to simply wrap it around the wing with
> attachments at the rear and under the leading edge (or at the wing
> attach)?
>
> Thanks for your insight,
>
> Charlie
And, I forgot to ask; which material gets your vote?
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: wing center gap seal |
I have always used the lexan gap seal and attempted to cover and block as
much of the gap area that I can. MIne has a section of alum. bent to go
over the leading edge tubes. I use a small bungee cord to keep it up tight
against the tubes. the sides are secured to the wings with velcro. Most of
the Mark III's make up a "hard" section that slides in between the wings
that consists of a couple of ribs that the lexan is secured to.
The installation of the HKS presented a problem because of the location of
the muffler.
Larry
On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Charlie England
wrote:
> I need to add the center gap seal to the (1st gen) Twinstar I'm restoring.
> The project came with a new, uninstalled, fabric seal with a zipper down
> the middle. I've already recovered and painted (latex house paint) the
> wings, & failed to mask off any fabric to attach the seal.
>
> Looking at the way the seal is made, it appears to wrap around the motor
> mount at the top rear, and wrap around the leading edge tubes in front and
> extend back almost to the wing attach/pivot points on the bottom.
>
> After a quick look around the interwebs, it would appear that several
> different other methods have been employed over the years, including a
> plexi seal offered by Kolb. I also remember comments about using aluminum.
>
> So, my questions:
> How far back must the seal extend on top? Is it worth the trouble to run
> it back past the front of the motor mount? What about under the leading
> edge? Does it help to carry it all the way to the wing attach points, or
> can it simply wrap around the leading edge tubes?
>
> For attachment, should it be velcro'd to each wing along its entire
> length, or is it adequate to simply wrap it around the wing with
> attachments at the rear and under the leading edge (or at the wing attach)?
>
> Thanks for your insight,
>
> Charlie
>
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: wing center gap seal |
I restored my original Firestar earlier this year which originally used the
zipper in the middle type gap seal. I talked to Brian at Kolb and he
assured me that their new Velcro on gap would work just fine. I took his
advice and had Helen at Kolb make me one . It was extremely easy to install
and works great. I also built a Twinstar many year ago. This new one would
have great on it. That just my experience, I like easy and availability.
I=99ll attach a picture
George H.
Firestar FS 100
14GDH
Mesick, Michigan
gdhelton(at)gmail.com
On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:41 AM Larry Cottrell
wrote:
> I have always used the lexan gap seal and attempted to cover and block as
> much of the gap area that I can. MIne has a section of alum. bent to go
> over the leading edge tubes. I use a small bungee cord to keep it up tigh
t
> against the tubes. the sides are secured to the wings with velcro. Most o
f
> the Mark III's make up a "hard" section that slides in between the wings
> that consists of a couple of ribs that the lexan is secured to.
>
> The installation of the HKS presented a problem because of the location o
f
> the muffler.
>
> Larry
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Charlie England
> wrote:
>
>> I need to add the center gap seal to the (1st gen) Twinstar I'm
>> restoring. The project came with a new, uninstalled, fabric seal with a
>> zipper down the middle. I've already recovered and painted (latex house
>> paint) the wings, & failed to mask off any fabric to attach the seal.
>>
>> Looking at the way the seal is made, it appears to wrap around the motor
>> mount at the top rear, and wrap around the leading edge tubes in front a
nd
>> extend back almost to the wing attach/pivot points on the bottom.
>>
>> After a quick look around the interwebs, it would appear that several
>> different other methods have been employed over the years, including a
>> plexi seal offered by Kolb. I also remember comments about using aluminu
m.
>>
>> So, my questions:
>> How far back must the seal extend on top? Is it worth the trouble to run
>> it back past the front of the motor mount? What about under the leading
>> edge? Does it help to carry it all the way to the wing attach points, or
>> can it simply wrap around the leading edge tubes?
>>
>> For attachment, should it be velcro'd to each wing along its entire
>> length, or is it adequate to simply wrap it around the wing with
>> attachments at the rear and under the leading edge (or at the wing attac
h)?
>>
>> Thanks for your insight,
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>
>
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> others.*
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| Subject: | Re: wing center gap seal |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
Well shucks; more to contemplate. :-)
Looks like either option requires velcro, so I'll get a roll of wide
stuff on order while I contemplate materials.
Thank you for the pic, and the ideas.
Charlie
On 10/5/2017 7:37 PM, George Helton wrote:
> I restored my original Firestar earlier this year which originally
> used the zipper in the middle type gap seal. I talked to Brian at Kolb
> and he assured me that their new Velcro on gap would work just fine. I
> took his advice and had Helen at Kolb make me one . It was extremely
> easy to install and works great. I also built a Twinstar many year
> ago. This new one would have great on it. That just my experience, I
> like easy and availability. Ill attach a picture
> George H.
> Firestar FS 100
> 14GDH
> Mesick, Michigan
> gdhelton(at)gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:41 AM Larry Cottrell
> > wrote:
>
> I have always used the lexan gap seal and attempted to cover and
> block as much of the gap area that I can. MIne has a section of
> alum. bent to go over the leading edge tubes. I use a small bungee
> cord to keep it up tight against the tubes. the sides are secured
> to the wings with velcro. Most of the Mark III's make up a "hard"
> section that slides in between the wings that consists of a couple
> of ribs that the lexan is secured to.
>
> The installation of the HKS presented a problem because of the
> location of the muffler.
>
> Larry
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Charlie England
> > wrote:
>
> I need to add the center gap seal to the (1st gen) Twinstar
> I'm restoring. The project came with a new, uninstalled,
> fabric seal with a zipper down the middle. I've already
> recovered and painted (latex house paint) the wings, & failed
> to mask off any fabric to attach the seal.
>
> Looking at the way the seal is made, it appears to wrap around
> the motor mount at the top rear, and wrap around the leading
> edge tubes in front and extend back almost to the wing
> attach/pivot points on the bottom.
>
> After a quick look around the interwebs, it would appear that
> several different other methods have been employed over the
> years, including a plexi seal offered by Kolb. I also remember
> comments about using aluminum.
>
> So, my questions:
> How far back must the seal extend on top? Is it worth the
> trouble to run it back past the front of the motor mount? What
> about under the leading edge? Does it help to carry it all the
> way to the wing attach points, or can it simply wrap around
> the leading edge tubes?
>
> For attachment, should it be velcro'd to each wing along its
> entire length, or is it adequate to simply wrap it around the
> wing with attachments at the rear and under the leading edge
> (or at the wing attach)?
>
> Thanks for your insight,
>
> Charlie
>
>
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> intolerant of others./
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: wing center gap seal |
The one inch will be plenty. When you get ready to take which ever gap seal
you decide on, get yourself a couple strips of Lexan and slip it between
the two halves, and it comes off nice and easy.
Larry
On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Charlie England
wrote:
> Well shucks; more to contemplate. :-)
>
> Looks like either option requires velcro, so I'll get a roll of wide
> stuff on order while I contemplate materials.
>
> Thank you for the pic, and the ideas.
>
> Charlie
>
> On 10/5/2017 7:37 PM, George Helton wrote:
>
> I restored my original Firestar earlier this year which originally used
> the zipper in the middle type gap seal. I talked to Brian at Kolb and he
> assured me that their new Velcro on gap would work just fine. I took his
> advice and had Helen at Kolb make me one . It was extremely easy to insta
ll
> and works great. I also built a Twinstar many year ago. This new one woul
d
> have great on it. That just my experience, I like easy and availability.
> I=99ll attach a picture
> George H.
> Firestar FS 100
> 14GDH
> Mesick, Michigan
> gdhelton(at)gmail.com
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:41 AM Larry Cottrell
> wrote:
>
>> I have always used the lexan gap seal and attempted to cover and block a
s
>> much of the gap area that I can. MIne has a section of alum. bent to go
>> over the leading edge tubes. I use a small bungee cord to keep it up tig
ht
>> against the tubes. the sides are secured to the wings with velcro. Most
of
>> the Mark III's make up a "hard" section that slides in between the wings
>> that consists of a couple of ribs that the lexan is secured to.
>>
>> The installation of the HKS presented a problem because of the location
>> of the muffler.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Charlie England
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I need to add the center gap seal to the (1st gen) Twinstar I'm
>>> restoring. The project came with a new, uninstalled, fabric seal with a
>>> zipper down the middle. I've already recovered and painted (latex house
>>> paint) the wings, & failed to mask off any fabric to attach the seal.
>>>
>>> Looking at the way the seal is made, it appears to wrap around the moto
r
>>> mount at the top rear, and wrap around the leading edge tubes in front
and
>>> extend back almost to the wing attach/pivot points on the bottom.
>>>
>>> After a quick look around the interwebs, it would appear that several
>>> different other methods have been employed over the years, including a
>>> plexi seal offered by Kolb. I also remember comments about using alumin
um.
>>>
>>> So, my questions:
>>> How far back must the seal extend on top? Is it worth the trouble to ru
n
>>> it back past the front of the motor mount? What about under the leading
>>> edge? Does it help to carry it all the way to the wing attach points, o
r
>>> can it simply wrap around the leading edge tubes?
>>>
>>> For attachment, should it be velcro'd to each wing along its entire
>>> length, or is it adequate to simply wrap it around the wing with
>>> attachments at the rear and under the leading edge (or at the wing atta
ch)?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your insight,
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: wing center gap seal |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
Great! one inch is easier to get, cheaper, etc. I like the separator
idea, too.
Charlie
On 10/5/2017 9:25 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> The one inch will be plenty. When you get ready to take which ever gap
> seal you decide on, get yourself a couple strips of Lexan and slip it
> between the two halves, and it comes off nice and easy.
>
> Larry
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Charlie England > wrote:
>
> Well shucks; more to contemplate. :-)
>
> Looks like either option requires velcro, so I'll get a roll of
> wide stuff on order while I contemplate materials.
>
> Thank you for the pic, and the ideas.
>
> Charlie
>
> On 10/5/2017 7:37 PM, George Helton wrote:
>> I restored my original Firestar earlier this year which
>> originally used the zipper in the middle type gap seal. I talked
>> to Brian at Kolb and he assured me that their new Velcro on gap
>> would work just fine. I took his advice and had Helen at Kolb
>> make me one . It was extremely easy to install and works great. I
>> also built a Twinstar many year ago. This new one would have
>> great on it. That just my experience, I like easy and
>> availability. Ill attach a picture
>> George H.
>> Firestar FS 100
>> 14GDH
>> Mesick, Michigan
>> gdhelton(at)gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:41 AM Larry Cottrell
>> > wrote:
>>
>> I have always used the lexan gap seal and attempted to cover
>> and block as much of the gap area that I can. MIne has a
>> section of alum. bent to go over the leading edge tubes. I
>> use a small bungee cord to keep it up tight against the
>> tubes. the sides are secured to the wings with velcro. Most
>> of the Mark III's make up a "hard" section that slides in
>> between the wings that consists of a couple of ribs that the
>> lexan is secured to.
>>
>> The installation of the HKS presented a problem because of
>> the location of the muffler.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Charlie England
>> > wrote:
>>
>> I need to add the center gap seal to the (1st gen)
>> Twinstar I'm restoring. The project came with a new,
>> uninstalled, fabric seal with a zipper down the middle.
>> I've already recovered and painted (latex house paint)
>> the wings, & failed to mask off any fabric to attach the
>> seal.
>>
>> Looking at the way the seal is made, it appears to wrap
>> around the motor mount at the top rear, and wrap around
>> the leading edge tubes in front and extend back almost to
>> the wing attach/pivot points on the bottom.
>>
>> After a quick look around the interwebs, it would appear
>> that several different other methods have been employed
>> over the years, including a plexi seal offered by Kolb. I
>> also remember comments about using aluminum.
>>
>> So, my questions:
>> How far back must the seal extend on top? Is it worth the
>> trouble to run it back past the front of the motor mount?
>> What about under the leading edge? Does it help to carry
>> it all the way to the wing attach points, or can it
>> simply wrap around the leading edge tubes?
>>
>> For attachment, should it be velcro'd to each wing along
>> its entire length, or is it adequate to simply wrap it
>> around the wing with attachments at the rear and under
>> the leading edge (or at the wing attach)?
>>
>> Thanks for your insight,
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: wing center gap seal |
| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
I went back to an aluminium gap seal after my cloth one shred it self. You can
kind of see it coming apart in this screen grab form a video.
It was made of the same fabric as Quicksilver sail cloth. The Lexan would be nice
as well.
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| Subject: | Re: wing center gap seal |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
Looks good, and relatively simple to do=2E The fabric just looks difficult
to keep properly tensioned, so I think I'll try either the plastic or alumi
num sheet=2E
Is your Lexan standing up ok to fuel exposure?
Thanks for bo
th the info, and the pics=2E
=81=A3Charlie=8B
On Oct 5, 2017, 10
:41 AM, at 10:41 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
>I h
ave always used the lexan gap seal and attempted to cover and block
>as
>mu
ch of the gap area that I can=2E MIne has a section of alum=2E bent to go
>
over the leading edge tubes=2E I use a small bungee cord to keep it up
>tig
ht
>against the tubes=2E the sides are secured to the wings with velcro=2E
Most
>of
>the Mark III's make up a "hard" section that slides in between th
e
>wings
>that consists of a couple of ribs that the lexan is secured to=2E
>
>The installation of the HKS presented a problem because of the location
>of
>the muffler=2E
>
>Larry
>
>On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Charlie En
gland
>wrote:
>
>> I need to add the center gap se
al to the (1st gen) Twinstar I'm
>restoring=2E
>> The project came with a n
ew, uninstalled, fabric seal with a zipper
>down
>> the middle=2E I've alre
ady recovered and painted (latex house paint)
>the
>> wings, & failed to ma
sk off any fabric to attach the seal=2E
>>
>> Looking at the way the seal i
s made, it appears to wrap around the
>motor
>> mount at the top rear, and
wrap around the leading edge tubes in
>front and
>> extend back almost to t
he wing attach/pivot points on the bottom=2E
>>
>> After a quick look aroun
d the interwebs, it would appear that several
>> different other methods ha
ve been employed over the years, including
>a
>> plexi seal offered by Kolb
=2E I also remember comments about using
>aluminum=2E
>>
>> So, my question
s:
>> How far back must the seal extend on top? Is it worth the trouble to
>run
>> it back past the front of the motor mount? What about under the
>le
ading
>> edge? Does it help to carry it all the way to the wing attach poin
ts,
>or
>> can it simply wrap around the leading edge tubes?
>>
>> For atta
chment, should it be velcro'd to each wing along its entire
>> length, or i
s it adequate to simply wrap it around the wing with
>> attachments at the
rear and under the leading edge (or at the wing
>attach)?
>>
>> Thanks for
your insight,
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>
>
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ant I am of those who are intolerant of
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: wing center gap seal |
If you get gas on it, it will be ugly. There is compensation in that my
neck is so stiff that I can't see it when I am sitting down and I am old
enough to forget that there is a problem quite soon after sitting.
Larry
On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Charlie England
wrote:
> Looks good, and relatively simple to do. The fabric just looks difficult
> to keep properly tensioned, so I think I'll try either the plastic or
> aluminum sheet.
>
> Is your Lexan standing up ok to fuel exposure?
>
> Thanks for both the info, and the pics.
>
> Charlie
> On Oct 5, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Larry Cottrell
> wrote:
>>
>> I have always used the lexan gap seal and attempted to cover and block as
>> much of the gap area that I can. MIne has a section of alum. bent to go
>> over the leading edge tubes. I use a small bungee cord to keep it up tight
>> against the tubes. the sides are secured to the wings with velcro. Most of
>> the Mark III's make up a "hard" section that slides in between the wings
>> that consists of a couple of ribs that the lexan is secured to.
>>
>> The installation of the HKS presented a problem because of the location
>> of the muffler.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Charlie England
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I need to add the center gap seal to the (1st gen) Twinstar I'm
>>> restoring. The project came with a new, uninstalled, fabric seal with a
>>> zipper down the middle. I've already recovered and painted (latex house
>>> paint) the wings, & failed to mask off any fabric to attach the seal.
>>>
>>> Looking at the way the seal is made, it appears to wrap around the motor
>>> mount at the top rear, and wrap around the leading edge tubes in front and
>>> extend back almost to the wing attach/pivot points on the bottom.
>>>
>>> After a quick look around the interwebs, it would appear that several
>>> different other methods have been employed over the years, including a
>>> plexi seal offered by Kolb. I also remember comments about using aluminum.
>>>
>>> So, my questions:
>>> How far back must the seal extend on top? Is it worth the trouble to run
>>> it back past the front of the motor mount? What about under the leading
>>> edge? Does it help to carry it all the way to the wing attach points, or
>>> can it simply wrap around the leading edge tubes?
>>>
>>> For attachment, should it be velcro'd to each wing along its entire
>>> length, or is it adequate to simply wrap it around the wing with
>>> attachments at the rear and under the leading edge (or at the wing attach)?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your insight,
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> others.*
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| Subject: | Re: wing center gap seal |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
I hear you=2E Sometimes my wife has to remind me about what I'm working on
=2E
=81=A3Charlie=8B
On Oct 6, 2017, 3:04 PM, at 3:04 PM, Larry
Cottrell wrote:
>If you get gas on it, it will
be ugly=2E There is compensation in that my
>neck is so stiff that I can't
see it when I am sitting down and I am
>old
>enough to forget that there is
a problem quite soon after sitting=2E
>Larry
>
>On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 1:1
5 PM, Charlie England
>wrote:
>
>> Looks good, and
relatively simple to do=2E The fabric just looks
>difficult
>> to keep pro
perly tensioned, so I think I'll try either the plastic or
>> aluminum shee
t=2E
>>
>> Is your Lexan standing up ok to fuel exposure?
>>
>> Thanks for
both the info, and the pics=2E
>>
>> Charlie
>> On Oct 5, 2017, at 10:41 AM
, Larry Cottrell
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have alway
s used the lexan gap seal and attempted to cover and
>block as
>>> much of
the gap area that I can=2E MIne has a section of alum=2E bent to
>go
>>> ov
er the leading edge tubes=2E I use a small bungee cord to keep it up
>tight
>>> against the tubes=2E the sides are secured to the wings with velcro=2E
>Most of
>>> the Mark III's make up a "hard" section that slides in betwee
n the
>wings
>>> that consists of a couple of ribs that the lexan is secure
d to=2E
>>>
>>> The installation of the HKS presented a problem because of
the
>location
>>> of the muffler=2E
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 5, 20
17 at 7:56 AM, Charlie England
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
> I need to add the center gap seal to the (1st gen) Twinstar I'm
>>>> rest
oring=2E The project came with a new, uninstalled, fabric seal
>with a
>>>>
zipper down the middle=2E I've already recovered and painted (latex
>house
>>>> paint) the wings, & failed to mask off any fabric to attach the
>seal
=2E
>>>>
>>>> Looking at the way the seal is made, it appears to wrap aroun
d the
>motor
>>>> mount at the top rear, and wrap around the leading edge t
ubes in
>front and
>>>> extend back almost to the wing attach/pivot points
on the bottom=2E
>>>>
>>>> After a quick look around the interwebs, it woul
d appear that
>several
>>>> different other methods have been employed over
the years,
>including a
>>>> plexi seal offered by Kolb=2E I also remember
comments about using
>aluminum=2E
>>>>
>>>> So, my questions:
>>>> How far
back must the seal extend on top? Is it worth the trouble
>to run
>>>> it
back past the front of the motor mount? What about under the
>leading
>>>>
edge? Does it help to carry it all the way to the wing attach
>points, or
>
>>> can it simply wrap around the leading edge tubes?
>>>>
>>>> For attachm
ent, should it be velcro'd to each wing along its entire
>>>> length, or is
it adequate to simply wrap it around the wing with
>>>> attachments at the
rear and under the leading edge (or at the wing
>attach)?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
for your insight,
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant
>of
>>> others
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| Subject: | Slobovia Outernational Pumpkin Drop (yes, it's real) |
A few families here at my home field are hosting our annual Pumpkin Drop
on Nov 4 (1st Saturday in November, as always). For any Kolbers close
enough to fly (or drive), this is your O-fficial Invite. This is a
private party, but you, and your (non-criminal) friends are welcome. :-)
Slobovia Outernational (MS71) is about 10 miles north of Jackson MS,
just off US Highway 49. You can find us on the Memphis Sectional.
If you want to see what it's like, there are a few videos from prior
years on youtube. This is very much a family event; we try to get as
many kids into planes as we possibly can during the course of the day.
Planes usually start arriving around 10:00 AM. We'll be serving
Jambalaya at noon (for you LA residents: don't worry; the cooks are LA
residents), and we'll start the Pumpkin Bombing competition at 1:30.
Come on down & show the big iron how to hit a target from a plane. You
must attend the briefing to drop pumpkins, and please bring your own
ordinance. You're welcome to camp on the field, if you need to remain
overnight.
Please see the attached flyer for airport & contact info. If you're
driving, Google Maps puts us in the right spot. However, many car GPSs
and other mapping software may not. If there's any doubt, don't hesitate
to call or email me; my contact info is on the flyer.
I hope those of you that are in striking distance can come on up. I'd
love to meet in person some of the folks that have helped me out with
Kolb info. I'll be the ugly one with the harried look on his face on the
red Kawasaki Mule, parking planes.
Charlie
(1st gen Twinstar almost ready to fly!)
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| From: | <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Slobovia Outernational Pumpkin Drop (yes, it's real) |
If I am back to hauck's holler and Gantt International Airport by then I'll do
my best to make it.
john h
Pahrump, Nevada
---- Charlie England wrote:
> A few families here at my home field are hosting our annual Pumpkin Drop
> on Nov 4 (1st Saturday in November, as always). For any Kolbers close
> enough to fly (or drive), this is your O-fficial Invite. This is a
> private party, but you, and your (non-criminal) friends are welcome. :-)
>
> Slobovia Outernational (MS71) is about 10 miles north of Jackson MS,
> just off US Highway 49. You can find us on the Memphis Sectional.
>
> If you want to see what it's like, there are a few videos from prior
> years on youtube. This is very much a family event; we try to get as
> many kids into planes as we possibly can during the course of the day.
>
> Planes usually start arriving around 10:00 AM. We'll be serving
> Jambalaya at noon (for you LA residents: don't worry; the cooks are LA
> residents), and we'll start the Pumpkin Bombing competition at 1:30.
> Come on down & show the big iron how to hit a target from a plane. You
> must attend the briefing to drop pumpkins, and please bring your own
> ordinance. You're welcome to camp on the field, if you need to remain
> overnight.
>
> Please see the attached flyer for airport & contact info. If you're
> driving, Google Maps puts us in the right spot. However, many car GPSs
> and other mapping software may not. If there's any doubt, don't hesitate
> to call or email me; my contact info is on the flyer.
>
> I hope those of you that are in striking distance can come on up. I'd
> love to meet in person some of the folks that have helped me out with
> Kolb info. I'll be the ugly one with the harried look on his face on the
> red Kawasaki Mule, parking planes.
>
> Charlie
> (1st gen Twinstar almost ready to fly!)
>
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| From: | <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Slobovia Outernational Pumpkin Drop (yes, it's real) |
If I am back to hauck's holler and Gantt International Airport by then I'll do
my best to make it.
john h
Pahrump, Nevada
---- Charlie England wrote:
> A few families here at my home field are hosting our annual Pumpkin Drop
> on Nov 4 (1st Saturday in November, as always). For any Kolbers close
> enough to fly (or drive), this is your O-fficial Invite. This is a
> private party, but you, and your (non-criminal) friends are welcome. :-)
>
> Slobovia Outernational (MS71) is about 10 miles north of Jackson MS,
> just off US Highway 49. You can find us on the Memphis Sectional.
>
> If you want to see what it's like, there are a few videos from prior
> years on youtube. This is very much a family event; we try to get as
> many kids into planes as we possibly can during the course of the day.
>
> Planes usually start arriving around 10:00 AM. We'll be serving
> Jambalaya at noon (for you LA residents: don't worry; the cooks are LA
> residents), and we'll start the Pumpkin Bombing competition at 1:30.
> Come on down & show the big iron how to hit a target from a plane. You
> must attend the briefing to drop pumpkins, and please bring your own
> ordinance. You're welcome to camp on the field, if you need to remain
> overnight.
>
> Please see the attached flyer for airport & contact info. If you're
> driving, Google Maps puts us in the right spot. However, many car GPSs
> and other mapping software may not. If there's any doubt, don't hesitate
> to call or email me; my contact info is on the flyer.
>
> I hope those of you that are in striking distance can come on up. I'd
> love to meet in person some of the folks that have helped me out with
> Kolb info. I'll be the ugly one with the harried look on his face on the
> red Kawasaki Mule, parking planes.
>
> Charlie
> (1st gen Twinstar almost ready to fly!)
>
>
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| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
I don't suppose anyone has CDI parts to convert my 447 to CDI laying around the
garage gathering dust?
--------
West1m
Hastings, MN
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| From: | Roy Spangler <roy.spangler(at)kirtland.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: CDI conversion |
Visit a snowmobile salvage yard and buy a junk 377 or447 and use the
flywheel
Brain box and stator plate plus the part that fits on the shaft ,
shouldn=99t, cost an
arm and a leg !
roy
On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, west1m wrote:
> >
>
> I don't suppose anyone has CDI parts to convert my 447 to CDI laying
> around the garage gathering dust?
>
> --------
> West1m
> Hastings, MN
>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | New FS II flyer has Questions |
| From: | "RoHam" <RoHam903(at)gmail.com> |
Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the administrator for
the nod.
I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru replacing
fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to need on
an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after getting
my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of surprises
shoulld I expect?
VNE = 90mph
VA = ???
VY = ???
VX = ???
real life Stall speeds
The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use 45 for
approach.
Thanks for any help...Bob
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| From: | <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New FS II flyer has Questions |
I made my first flight in my new Kolb Ultrastar 33 years ago this past July. I
was a helicopter pilot, not a fixed wing pilot. Actually, I was a rusty helicopter
pilot, hadn't flown in 8 years. I read a lot of stick and rudder books
to get up to speed on being an airplane pilot. I paid special attention to Homer
Kolb's comments about test flying his new Ultrastar. "Take it up to 1000
feet above the ground and check the stall speed." Now you are good to go. You
know when the aircraft is going to quit flying, unless you get yourself into
an accelerated stall, which is damn near impossible to do in a Kolb. Stalls
were my biggest worry coming from a rotary wing world where we didn't pay a whole
lot of attention to that terminology.
As far as the other "V" speeds, I didn't worry about them much except "maneuver"
and VNE. Maneuver speed was anything slow enough to be comfortable in rough
air. VNE wasn't a big problem either, but I tried to stay below whatever happened
to be the "popular" VNE for whatever Kolb model I was flying.
Stall speed is critical.
High speeds and rough air don't mix.
john h
mkIII
Palm Desert, California
---- RoHam wrote:
>
> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the administrator
for the nod.
> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru replacing
fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to need
on an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after getting
my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of surprises
shoulld I expect?
> VNE = 90mph
> VA = ???
> VY = ???
> VX = ???
> real life Stall speeds
> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use 45
for approach.
> Thanks for any help...Bob
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New FS II flyer has Questions |
| From: | Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com> |
only reliable info for lower speed questions is actual experience in your airplane
.take it up and at safe altitude,slow it down until you see what your indicator
reads when it stalls
> On Oct 15, 2017, at 9:36 AM, RoHam wrote:
>
>
> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the administrator
for the nod.
> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru replacing
fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to need
on an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after getting
my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of surprises
shoulld I expect?
> VNE = 90mph
> VA = ???
> VY = ???
> VX = ???
> real life Stall speeds
> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use 45
for approach.
> Thanks for any help...Bob
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New FS II flyer has Questions |
congratulations on finishing your FII. The questions that you have asked
has had many attempts to be answered. I am afraid that there are too many
variables for a hard and fast answer.
With my Firestar in its current configuration I use 50 for climb. Stall
speeds can vary as much as 29- to one I flew that stalled at 60? What I am
saying is that there is no hard and fast numbers for your plane other than
what you yourself discover.
Your best plan is to be very conservative and let your plane tell you what
it likes. On your take off roll keep a bit of back stick and let it lift
off by itself. Get at least a 1000 feet and see what your best climb is by
pulling back on the stick. Do check and see what your ASI indicates as a
stall speed. There are lots of differences in ASI instruments depending on
your pitot tube placement, the difference in cabin pressure, all that
influences your indicated speed.
While its nice to have an ASI that reads true, the real requirement is that
you know what yours reads when the plane quits flying. One of the biggest
problems with a kolb is that the design means that when the power is off,
it doesn't take all that long before the plane stops forward speed. It
takes most people by surprise and is the main cause of bent landing gear. I
suggest that you take it to altitude, pull the throttle off, give it some
back stick and see how long it takes for the plane to stall.
I also suggest that you maintain some power on your landings when you first
start. I do my approaches at 50. My plane however stalls at 30 MPH for me.
Good luck with your plane, but be very cautious until you know what your
operating speeds actually are for your plane. It may fly like the Champ but
it will not land like the Champ. It is designed for a totally different
mission.
Good luck
Larry
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 7:36 AM, RoHam wrote:
>
> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the
> administrator for the nod.
> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru
> replacing fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to
> need on an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after
> getting my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of
> surprises shoulld I expect?
> VNE = 90mph
> VA = ???
> VY = ???
> VX = ???
> real life Stall speeds
> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use
> 45 for approach.
> Thanks for any help...Bob
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>
>
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others.*
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| Subject: | Re: New FS II flyer has Questions |
| From: | "woody" <n3022.176(at)gmail.com> |
There's not much to add to John and Larry's comments. Make sure that you know what
the stall speed is and keep it 5-10 mph above that when you bring it in. I
also flopped around in a Champ before flying my Firestar II. These light aircraft
run out of inertia rapidly and will go from flying to falling in 3 seconds
or less. Be vigilant. Bring it in with power, 4000 rpm should give you an edge
in keeping it under control. FLY IT TO THE GROUND. Do not chop the throttle
and expect it to land like that "flying pig", the champ. 8)
PS: If you have the aluminum gear legs on your plane, start thinking about building
some steel ones. They are a lot more forgiving.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473584#473584
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| Subject: | Re: New FS II flyer has Questions |
| From: | Russ Kinne <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
If anyone wants a set of steel gear legs for the Xtra, I have a pair Id like to
sell
Russ K
> On Oct 15, 2017, at 3:15 PM, woody wrote:
>
>
> There's not much to add to John and Larry's comments. Make sure that you know
what the stall speed is and keep it 5-10 mph above that when you bring it in.
I also flopped around in a Champ before flying my Firestar II. These light aircraft
run out of inertia rapidly and will go from flying to falling in 3 seconds
or less. Be vigilant. Bring it in with power, 4000 rpm should give you an
edge in keeping it under control. FLY IT TO THE GROUND. Do not chop the throttle
and expect it to land like that "flying pig", the champ. 8)
> PS: If you have the aluminum gear legs on your plane, start thinking about building
some steel ones. They are a lot more forgiving.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473584#473584
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: New FS II flyer has Questions |
| From: | Russ Kinne <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
Bob
IMHO NO one should fly ANYthing until/unless he knows at least what VNE, VX, VY,
and Maneuvering speed are.
Go back to ground school before you crash! Who gave you a review without making
sure you knew those???
> On Oct 15, 2017, at 9:36 AM, RoHam wrote:
>
>
> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the administrator
for the nod.
> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru replacing
fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to need
on an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after getting
my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of surprises
shoulld I expect?
> VNE = 90mph
> VA = ???
> VY = ???
> VX = ???
> real life Stall speeds
> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use 45
for approach.
> Thanks for any help...Bob
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: New FS II flyer has Questions |
| From: | "RoHam" <RoHam903(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks to everyone for the info. I pretty much figured it would be a trial of flying
it and figuring out. I guess I was looking for some average speeds everyone
was using. I understand the vx,vy &va. The question marks were looking to
fill in the average speeds. Sorry for the confusion. I'll let you know how I
make out. Is everyone converting to steel gear? Will the original aluminum hold
up to average landings? Whats the source of these gear? I found a good source
for fuel tanks if anyone needs it. Thanks again... Bob
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473593#473593
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| Subject: | Video all local to KCMA |
| From: | "jonealjr" <jonealjr(at)gmail.com> |
https://youtu.be/l2r161S-XXk
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473598#473598
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| Subject: | Re: Video all local to KCMA |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
My wife said you shouldn't fly low over the cows like that: it will make them stop
laying eggs...
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
Read this topic online here:
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| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Video all local to KCMA |
Congratulations Jimmy, GREAT videos! You're having a blast...
I owe you a call, will do so tomorrow.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
--------------------------------------------
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Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Video all local to KCMA
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Sunday, October 15, 2017, 8:55 PM
Pike"
My wife said you shouldn't fly low over
the cows like that: it will make them stop laying eggs...
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is
wonderful.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473600#473600
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Bob
For your first flights I highly recommend flying off grass or gravel the first
few times, much more forgiving. Also 50 is nifty
And fly it all the way to the ground, just roll it on
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> 1. 06:36 AM - New FS II flyer has Questions (RoHam)
> 2. 08:41 AM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions ()
> 3. 08:50 AM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (Gary Aman)
> 4. 09:06 AM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (Larry Cottrell)
> 5. 12:15 PM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (woody)
> 6. 01:01 PM - Re: Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (Russ Kinne)
> 7. 02:50 PM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (Russ Kinne)
> 8. 03:41 PM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (RoHam)
> 9. 08:37 PM - Video all local to KCMA (jonealjr)
> 10. 08:55 PM - Re: Video all local to KCMA (Richard Pike)
> 11. 11:18 PM - Re: Re: Video all local to KCMA (Bill Berle)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: New FS II flyer has Questions
> From: "RoHam" <RoHam903(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the administrator
for
> the nod.
> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru replacing
> fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to need on
> an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after getting
> my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of surprises
> shoulld I expect?
> VNE = 90mph
> VA = ???
> VY = ???
> VX = ???
> real life Stall speeds
> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use 45
for
> approach.
> Thanks for any help...Bob
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New FS II flyer has Questions
>
>
> I made my first flight in my new Kolb Ultrastar 33 years ago this past July.
I
> was a helicopter pilot, not a fixed wing pilot. Actually, I was a rusty helicopter
> pilot, hadn't flown in 8 years. I read a lot of stick and rudder books
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 10/15/17 |
| From: | Mike Hale <halesbeer(at)gmail.com> |
Bob
For your first flights I highly recommend flying off grass or gravel the first
few times, much more forgiving. Also 50 is nifty
And fly it all the way to the ground, just roll it on
Mike
Seattle
Cell 206-963-2118
> On Oct 16, 2017, at 12:03 AM, Kolb-List Digest Server
wrote:
>
> *
>
> =================================================
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> =================================================
>
> Today's complete Kolb-List Digest can also be found in either of the
> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the Kolb-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 17-10-15&Archive=Kolb
>
> Text Version:
>
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>
>
> ===============================================
> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
> ===============================================
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Kolb-List Digest Archive
> ---
> Total Messages Posted Sun 10/15/17: 11
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 06:36 AM - New FS II flyer has Questions (RoHam)
> 2. 08:41 AM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions ()
> 3. 08:50 AM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (Gary Aman)
> 4. 09:06 AM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (Larry Cottrell)
> 5. 12:15 PM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (woody)
> 6. 01:01 PM - Re: Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (Russ Kinne)
> 7. 02:50 PM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (Russ Kinne)
> 8. 03:41 PM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (RoHam)
> 9. 08:37 PM - Video all local to KCMA (jonealjr)
> 10. 08:55 PM - Re: Video all local to KCMA (Richard Pike)
> 11. 11:18 PM - Re: Re: Video all local to KCMA (Bill Berle)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: New FS II flyer has Questions
> From: "RoHam" <RoHam903(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the administrator
for
> the nod.
> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru replacing
> fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to need on
> an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after getting
> my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of surprises
> shoulld I expect?
> VNE = 90mph
> VA = ???
> VY = ???
> VX = ???
> real life Stall speeds
> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use 45
for
> approach.
> Thanks for any help...Bob
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New FS II flyer has Questions
>
>
> I made my first flight in my new Kolb Ultrastar 33 years ago this past July.
I
> was a helicopter pilot, not a fixed wing pilot. Actually, I was a rusty helicopter
> pilot, hadn't flown in 8 years. I read a lot of stick and rudder books
> to get up to speed on being an airplane pilot. I paid special attention to Homer
> Kolb's comments about test flying his new Ultrastar. "Take it up to 1000
> feet above the ground and check the stall speed." Now you are good to go. You
> know when the aircraft is going to quit flying, unless you get yourself into
> an accelerated stall, which is damn near impossible to do in a Kolb. Stalls
> were my biggest worry coming from a rotary wing world where we didn't pay a whole
> lot of attention to that terminology.
>
> As far as the other "V" speeds, I didn't worry about them much except "maneuver"
> and VNE. Maneuver speed was anything slow enough to be comfortable in rough
> air. VNE wasn't a big problem either, but I tried to stay below whatever happened
> to be the "popular" VNE for whatever Kolb model I was flying.
>
> Stall speed is critical.
>
> High speeds and rough air don't mix.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Palm Desert, California
>
>
> ---- RoHam wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the administrator
> for the nod.
>> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru replacing
> fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to need
> on an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after getting
> my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
>> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of surprises
> shoulld I expect?
>> VNE = 90mph
>> VA = ???
>> VY = ???
>> VX = ???
>> real life Stall speeds
>> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use 45
> for approach.
>> Thanks for any help...Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New FS II flyer has Questions
> From: Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com>
>
>
> only reliable info for lower speed questions is actual experience in your airplane
> .take it up and at safe altitude,slow it down until you see what your indicator
> reads when it stalls
>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 9:36 AM, RoHam wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the administrator
> for the nod.
>> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru replacing
> fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to need
> on an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after getting
> my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
>> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of surprises
> shoulld I expect?
>> VNE = 90mph
>> VA = ???
>> VY = ???
>> VX = ???
>> real life Stall speeds
>> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use 45
> for approach.
>> Thanks for any help...Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New FS II flyer has Questions
>
> congratulations on finishing your FII. The questions that you have asked
> has had many attempts to be answered. I am afraid that there are too many
> variables for a hard and fast answer.
>
> With my Firestar in its current configuration I use 50 for climb. Stall
> speeds can vary as much as 29- to one I flew that stalled at 60? What I am
> saying is that there is no hard and fast numbers for your plane other than
> what you yourself discover.
>
> Your best plan is to be very conservative and let your plane tell you what
> it likes. On your take off roll keep a bit of back stick and let it lift
> off by itself. Get at least a 1000 feet and see what your best climb is by
> pulling back on the stick. Do check pilot. I paid special attention to Homer
> Kolb's comments about test flying his new Ultrastar. "Take it up to 1000
> feet above the ground and check the stall speed." Now you are good to go. You
> know when the aircraft is going to quit flying, unless you get yourself into
> an accelerated stall, which is damn near impossible to do in a Kolb. Stalls
> were my biggest worry coming from a rotary wing world where we didn't pay a whole
> lot of attention to that terminology.
>
> As far as the other "V" speeds, I didn't worry about them much except "maneuver"
> and VNE. Maneuver speed was anything slow enough to be comfortable in rough
> air. VNE wasn't a big problem either, but I tried to stay below whatever happened
> to be the "popular" VNE for whatever Kolb model I was flying.
>
> Stall speed is critical.
>
> High speeds and rough air don't mix.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Palm Desert, California
>
>
> ---- RoHam wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the administrator
> for the nod.
>> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru replacing
> fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to need
> on an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after getting
> my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
>> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of surprises
> shoulld I expect?
>> VNE = 90mph
>> VA = ???
>> VY = ???
>> VX = ???
>> real life Stall speeds
>> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use 45
> for approach.
>> Thanks for any help...Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New FS II flyer has Questions
> From: Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com>
>
>
> only reliable info for lower speed questions is actual experience in your airplane
> .take it up and at safe altitude,slow it down until you see what your indicator
> reads when it stalls
>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 9:36 AM, RoHam wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the administrator
> for the nod.
>> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru replacing
> fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to need
> on an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after getting
> my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
>> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of surprises
> shoulld I expect?
>> VNE = 90mph
>> VA = ???
>> VY = ???
>> VX = ???
>> real life Stall speeds
>> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use 45
> for approach.
>> Thanks for any help...Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New FS II flyer has Questions
>
> congratulations on finishing your FII. The questions that you have asked
> has had many attempts to be answered. I am afraid that there are too many
> variables for a hard and fast answer.
>
> With my Firestar in its current configuration I use 50 for climb. Stall
> speeds can vary as much as 29- to one I flew that stalled at 60? What I am
> saying is that there is no hard and fast numbers for your plane other than
> what you yourself discover.
>
> Your best plan is to be very conservative and let your plane tell you what
> it likes. On your take off roll keep a bit of back stick and let it lift
> off by itself. Get at least a 1000 feet and see what your best climb is by
> pulling back on the stick. Do check and see what your ASI indicates as a
> stall speed. There are lots of differences in ASI instruments depending on
> your pitot tube placement, the difference in cabin pressure, all that
> influences your indicated speed.
>
> While its nice to have an ASI that reads true, the real requirement is that
> you know what yours reads when the plane quits flying. One of the biggest
> problems with a kolb is that the design means that when the power is off,
> it doesn't take all that long before the plane stops forward speed. It
> takes most people by surprise and is the main cause of bent landing gear. I
> suggest that you take it to altitude, pull the throttle off, give it some
> back stick and see how long it takes for the plane to stall.
>
> I also suggest that you maintain some power on your landings when you first
> start. I do my approaches at 50. My plane however stalls at 30 MPH for me.
>
> Good luck with your plane, but be very cautious until you know what your
> operating speeds actually are for your plane. It may fly like the Champ but
> it will not land like the Champ. It is designed for a totally different
> mission.
>
> Good luck
>
> Larry
>
>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 7:36 AM, RoHam wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the
>> administrator for the nod.
>> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru
>> replacing fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to
>> need on an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after
>> getting my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
>> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of
>> surprises shoulld I expect?
>> VNE = 90mph
>> VA = ???
>> VY = ???
>> VX = ???
>> real life Stall speeds
>> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use
>> 45 for approach.
>> Thanks for any help...Bob
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>>
>>
>
>
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> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New FS II flyer has Questions
> From: "woody" <n3022.176(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> There's not much to add to John and Larry's comments. Make sure that you know
what
> the stall speed is and keep it 5-10 mph above that when you bring it in. I
> also flopped around in a Champ before flying my Firestar II. These light aircraft
> run out of inertia rapidly and will go from flying to falling in 3 seconds
> or less. Be vigilant. Bring it in with power, 4000 rpm should give you an edge
> in keeping it under control. FLY IT TO THE GROUND. Do not chop the throttle
> and expect it to land like that "flying pig", the champ. 8)
> PS: If you have the aluminum gear legs on your plane, start thinking about building
> some steel ones. They are a lot more forgiving.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473584#473584
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New FS II flyer has Questions
> From: Russ Kinne <russk50(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> If anyone wants a set of steel gear legs for the Xtra, I have a pair Id like
to
> sell
>
> Russ K
>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 3:15 PM, woody wrote:
>>
>>
>> There's not much to add to John and Larry's comments. Make sure that you know
> what the stall speed is and keep it 5-10 mph above that when you bring it in.
> I also flopped around in a Champ before flying my Firestar II. These light aircraft
> run out of inertia rapidly and will go from flying to falling in 3 seconds
> or less. Be vigilant. Bring it in with power, 4000 rpm should give you an
> edge in keeping it under coand see what your ASI indicates as a
> stall speed. There are lots of differences in ASI instruments depending on
> your pitot tube placement, the difference in cabin pressure, all that
> influences your indicated speed.
>
> While its nice to have an ASI that reads true, the real requirement is that
> you know what yours reads when the plane quits flying. One of the biggest
> problems with a kolb is that the design means that when the power is off,
> it doesn't take all that long before the plane stops forward speed. It
> takes most people by surprise and is the main cause of bent landing gear. I
> suggest that you take it to altitude, pull the throttle off, give it some
> back stick and see how long it takes for the plane to stall.
>
> I also suggest that you maintain some power on your landings when you first
> start. I do my approaches at 50. My plane however stalls at 30 MPH for me.
>
> Good luck with your plane, but be very cautious until you know what your
> operating speeds actually are for your plane. It may fly like the Champ but
> it will not land like the Champ. It is designed for a totally different
> mission.
>
> Good luck
>
> Larry
>
>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 7:36 AM, RoHam wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the
>> administrator for the nod.
>> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru
>> replacing fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to
>> need on an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after
>> getting my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
>> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of
>> surprises shoulld I expect?
>> VNE = 90mph
>> VA = ???
>> VY = ???
>> VX = ???
>> real life Stall speeds
>> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use
>> 45 for approach.
>> Thanks for any help...Bob
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of
> others.*
>
> *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
> address before sending.*
>
> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New FS II flyer has Questions
> From: "woody" <n3022.176(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> There's not much to add to John and Larry's comments. Make sure that you know
what
> the stall speed is and keep it 5-10 mph above that when you bring it in. I
> also flopped around in a Champ before flying my Firestar II. These light aircraft
> run out of inertia rapidly and will go from flying to falling in 3 seconds
> or less. Be vigilant. Bring it in with power, 4000 rpm should give you an edge
> in keeping it under control. FLY IT TO THE GROUND. Do not chop the throttle
> and expect it to land like that "flying pig", the champ. 8)
> PS: If you have the aluminum gear legs on your plane, start thinking about building
> some steel ones. They are a lot more forgiving.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473584#473584
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New FS II flyer has Questions
> From: Russ Kinne <russk50(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> If anyone wants a set of steel gear legs for the Xtra, I have a pair Id like
to
> sell
>
> Russ K
>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 3:15 PM, woody wrote:
>>
>>
>> There's not much to add to John and Larry's comments. Make sure that you know
> what the stall speed is and keep it 5-10 mph above that when you bring it in.
> I also flopped around in a Champ before flying my Firestar II. These light aircraft
> run out of inertia rapidly and will go from flying to falling in 3 seconds
> or less. Be vigilant. Bring it in with power, 4000 rpm should give you an
> edge in keeping it under control. FLY IT TO THE GROUND. Do not chop the throttle
> and expect it to land like that "flying pig", the champ. 8)
>> PS: If you have the aluminum gear legs on your plane, start thinking about building
> some steel ones. They are a lot more forgiving.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473584#473584
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New FS II flyer has Questions
> From: Russ Kinne <russk50(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> Bob
> IMHO NO one should fly ANYthing until/unless he knows at least what VNE, VX,
VY,
> and Maneuvering speed are.
> Go back to ground school before you crash! Who gave you a review without making
> sure you knew those???
>
>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 9:36 AM, RoHam wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the administrator
> for the nod.
>> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru replacing
> fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to need
> on an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after getting
> my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
>> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of surprises
> shoulld I expect?
>> VNE = 90mph
>> VA = ???
>> VY = ???
>> VX = ???
>> real life Stall speeds
>> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use 45
> for approach.
>> Thanks for any help...Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New FS II flyer has Questions
> From: "RoHam" <RoHam903(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> Thanks to everyone for the info. I pretty much figured it would be a trial of
flying
> it and figuring out. I guess I was looking for some average speeds everyone
> was using. I understand the vx,vy &va. The question marks were looking to
> fill in the average speeds. Sorry for the confusion. I'll let you know how I
> make out. Is everyone converting to steel gear? Will the original aluminum hold
> up to average landings? Whats the source of these gear? I found a good source
> for fuel tanks if anyone needs it. Thanks again... Bob
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473593#473593
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Video all local to KCMA
> From: "jonealjr" <jonealjr(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/l2r161S-XXk
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473598#473598
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Video all local to KCMA
> From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
>
>
> My wife said you shouldn't fly low over the cows like that: it will make them
stop
> laying eggs...
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473600#473600
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
>
>
> From: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Video all local to KCMA
>
>
> Congratulations Jimmy, GREAT videos! You're having a blast...
>
> I owe you a call, will do so tomorrow.
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
>
> ---------------------------ntrol. FLY IT TO THE GROUND. Do not chop the throttle
> and expect it to land like that "flying pig", the champ. 8)
>> PS: If you have the aluminum gear legs on your plane, start thinking about building
> some steel ones. They are a lot more forgiving.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473584#473584
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New FS II flyer has Questions
> From: Russ Kinne <russk50(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> Bob
> IMHO NO one should fly ANYthing until/unless he knows at least what VNE, VX,
VY,
> and Maneuvering speed are.
> Go back to ground school before you crash! Who gave you a review without making
> sure you knew those???
>
>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 9:36 AM, RoHam wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the administrator
> for the nod.
>> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru replacing
> fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to need
> on an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after getting
> my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
>> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of surprises
> shoulld I expect?
>> VNE = 90mph
>> VA = ???
>> VY = ???
>> VX = ???
>> real life Stall speeds
>> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use 45
> for approach.
>> Thanks for any help...Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New FS II flyer has Questions
> From: "RoHam" <RoHam903(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> Thanks to everyone for the info. I pretty much figured it would be a trial of
flying
> it and figuring out. I guess I was looking for some average speeds everyone
> was using. I understand the vx,vy &va. The question marks were looking to
> fill in the average speeds. Sorry for the confusion. I'll let you know how I
> make out. Is everyone converting to steel gear? Will the original aluminum hold
> up to average landings? Whats the source of these gear? I found a good source
> for fuel tanks if anyone needs it. Thanks again... Bob
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473593#473593
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Video all local to KCMA
> From: "jonealjr" <jonealjr(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/l2r161S-XXk
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473598#473598
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Video all local to KCMA
> From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
>
>
> My wife said you shouldn't fly low over the cows like that: it will make them
stop
> laying eggs...
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473600#473600
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
>
>
> From: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Video all local to KCMA
>
>
> Congratulations Jimmy, GREAT videos! You're having a blast...
>
> I owe you a call, will do so tomorrow.
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sun, 10/15/17, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Video all local to KCMA
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, October 15, 2017, 8:55 PM
>
> Pike"
>
> My wife said you shouldn't fly low over
> the cows like that: it will make them stop laying eggs...
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is
> wonderful.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473600#473600
>
>
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> On Sun, 10/15/17, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Video all local to KCMA
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, October 15, 2017, 8:55 PM
>
> Pike"
>
> My wife said you shouldn't fly low over
> the cows like that: it will make them stop laying eggs...
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is
> wonderful.
>
>
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>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Video all local to KCMA |
| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
Nice thx for sharing
--------
2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Video all local to KCMA |
It looks like you have made the Go Pro work for you. It was nice and
steady, all in all one of the better video's posted. Where was it shot? Is
this a different ( newer model) Go Pro?
One thing you should remember however and that is, videos can be
entertaining, but evidence as well. You may have heard of Steve Henry. A
Nampa Idaho pilot of a Highlander. Google him or search You Tube. Any way
he posted some videos of flying in the Owyhee country. I think he buzzed
some feral horses. BLM fined him at least $1000.00 for it. They saw the
video as well.
I myself found a bullet hole just outside the prop area in my wing
covering, after doing repeated touch and goes at a rural airport in a small
town of S Oregon. I guess the people that lived in the area bordering the
airport were not as amused as I was.
fwiw,
Larry
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 9:37 PM, jonealjr wrote:
>
> https://youtu.be/l2r161S-XXk
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473598#473598
>
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| Subject: | Re: Video all local to KCMA |
| From: | "jonealjr" <jonealjr(at)gmail.com> |
Yes Larry, I agree with you on everything. We were flying is Ojai, Ca all within
30 min or so from my home airport. I do NOT fly near horses because the spook
way to easy and my wife is a horse trainer so I know the deal. Cows are a bit
different. We don't buzz cows very often that day we were doing some low flight
and at the end of the field there they were. As far as the area we fly there
often thankfully without too many issues. I can not take any credit for the
Go Pro work only the flying :D the Go Pro was mounted on the right gear leg &
all the photo/video credit goes to my cousin Chris Jancich. I hope to make it
up to see you in 2018 and I look forward to any and all of your videos.
--------
Mark III Classic 912ULS
Go fast & always take chances / Minimize your regrets with age
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| Subject: | Kolbra w&b question / lookover |
| From: | "3benny3" <the3benny3(at)gmail.com> |
Weighed the kolbra the other day while getting some things finshed up. Seems to
come out rather tail heavy, what your thoughts? Battery is by front fuel tank,
plan to move into nose cone and check again but think that will be enough. Where
does other kolbra fliers have their battery etc?
Numbers:
Book CG
11.6in - 20.3in from LE
No fuel
With oil and water
Tail. 90.65
Right. 254.9
Left. 245.5
Total empty weight wengine fluids 591.05lbs
Leading edge= datum = 0
ARM WEIGHT MOMENT
Main axle -1 500.5lbs -500.5
Front seat 22 160lbs 3520
Rear seat -9 0lbs adding passenger puts it in the rear of the envelope
Front tank -30 30lbs -900
Tail wheel -206 90.65lbs -18673.9
811.15 / -17754.4 = -21.888 CG
Of course its been awhile since I've been into doing the math side so could just
be numbers put together wrong, but it sounds about right a bit tail heavy?
--------
912ul King Kolbra ;fun plane
O300 Cessna 172B ;travel plane
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| Subject: | Re: New FS II flyer has Questions |
| From: | "woody" <n3022.176(at)gmail.com> |
Your aluminum gear legs will hold up just fine until you drop it in. You should
do your first flights in the mornings or evenings when the winds are less bumpy
than during the day. I have a Firestar II with added Stolspeed VG's, they have
made quite a difference in the way it handles when close to stall. Mine stalls
at 28 indicated, down from 35 and it just mushes now. I also fly another
Firestar II that has just gotten it's air worthiness cert. It flies the same but
the landing are quite different. It stalls at 36 indicated, and it stalls abruptly.
At altitude it sounds like the prop is starting to lose its grip and
bang, the nose drops quickly. This is where you practice, practice, practice.
!000' up is the only place to learn how the plane acts when it stalls. Down on
the runway, stalls get expensive real fast. This second Firestar has gone thru
the latter. But with a new wing and aileron, landing gear and some really good
workmanship, she is back in the air.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbra w&b question / lookover |
| From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
Here are the weight and balance sheets for my Kolbra (see attachments).
I have lots of flying videos (over 100) of the Kolbra.
You can see them here:
https://www.youtube.com/user/flyguy8294
--------
Ralph B
Kolb Kolbra 912uls
N20386
550 hours
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Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/n20386_weight_and_balance_loaded_211.xls
http://forums.matronics.com//files/n20386_faa_weight_and_balance_submit_192.xls
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbra w&b question / lookover |
| From: | "3benny3" <the3benny3(at)gmail.com> |
Hey thanks! Looks like the weights are very close, I guess with the 912 vs the
582 it was designed for it is just gonna be toward the back... I'll weigh it again
and double check all my arms maybe, noticed your mains were 1.8in where as
mine are -1 which would make a difference. Where is your battery located, and
how did you go about mounting it there?
Thanks for the w&b sheets and I'm already subscribed, not much out there really
on the kolbra...
--------
912ul King Kolbra ;fun plane
O300 Cessna 172B ;travel plane
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbra w&b question / lookover |
| From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
I'm using an Odyssey PC680 battery and it's located in back of the passenger seat.
There really isn't much info on the Kolbra. I don't think many were built.
--------
Ralph B
Kolb Kolbra 912uls
N20386
550 hours
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| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
Kolbers,
I do not know for sure, but I think there were nineteen Kolbras built. There is
probably someone on the list who knows the true number. Mine is the Prototype.
but is really more of a Firestar III, than a Kolbra.
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
607AK .will be finished this winter:)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
Kolbers,
I do not know for sure, but I think there were nineteen Kolbras built. There is
probably someone on the list who knows the true number. Mine is the Prototype.
but is really more of a Firestar III, than a Kolbra.
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
607AK .will be finished this winter:)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
Kolbers,
I do not know for sure, but I think there were nineteen Kolbras built. There is
probably someone on the list who knows the true number. Mine is the Prototype.
but is really more of a Firestar III, than a Kolbra.
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
607AK .will be finished this winter:)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
Kolbers,
I do not know for sure, but I think there were nineteen Kolbras built. There is
probably someone on the list who knows the true number. Mine is the Prototype.
but is really more of a Firestar III, than a Kolbra.
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
607AK .will be finished this winter:)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
Kolbers,
I do not know for sure, but I think there were nineteen Kolbras built. There is
probably someone on the list who knows the true number. Mine is the Prototype.
but is really more of a Firestar III, than a Kolbra.
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
607AK .will be finished this winter:)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
Kolbers,
I do not know for sure, but I think there were nineteen Kolbras built. There is
probably someone on the list who knows the true number. Mine is the Prototype.
but is really more of a Firestar III, than a Kolbra.
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
607AK .will be finished this winter:)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
Kolbers,
I do not know for sure, but I think there were nineteen Kolbras built. There is
probably someone on the list who knows the true number. Mine is the Prototype.
but is really more of a Firestar III, than a Kolbra.
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
607AK .will be finished this winter:)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
Kolbers,
I do not know for sure, but I think there were nineteen Kolbras built. There is
probably someone on the list who knows the true number. Mine is the Prototype.
but is really more of a Firestar III, than a Kolbra.
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
607AK .will be finished this winter:)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Twinstar Mk I weight & balance? |
Getting ready to weigh the Twinstar. Anyone have a clue what part of the
airframe can be leveled, to put it in flight attitude? On this one,
leveling the top tube gives about 5 degrees positive AOA on the bottom of
the airfoil. Does this sound about right for doing W&B? Was there ever a
preferred datum point on these old planes?
Thanks,
Charlie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Twinstar Mk I weight & balance? |
Charlie, I=99m pretty sure the wings leading edge is the preferred da
tum. On
a level surface the bottom of the wing should be set 8 or 9 degrees by
raising or lowering the tail. It=99s looking pretty nice in your pict
ure.
George H.
Firestar, FS100
Mesick, Michigan
gdhelton(at)gmail.com
On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 4:10 PM Charlie England
wrote:
> Getting ready to weigh the Twinstar. Anyone have a clue what part of the
> airframe can be leveled, to put it in flight attitude? On this one,
> leveling the top tube gives about 5 degrees positive AOA on the bottom of
> the airfoil. Does this sound about right for doing W&B? Was there ever a
> preferred datum point on these old planes?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
>
--
Have a great day!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Twinstar Mk I weight & balance? |
Thanks, George; I appreciate it.
My a&p buddy was guessing at 2-3 degrees of actual angle of attack, so I'll
need to adjust a bit.
On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 3:28 PM, George Helton wrote:
> Charlie, I=99m pretty sure the wings leading edge is the preferred
datum. On
> a level surface the bottom of the wing should be set 8 or 9 degrees by
> raising or lowering the tail. It=99s looking pretty nice in your pi
cture.
> George H.
> Firestar, FS100
> Mesick, Michigan
> gdhelton(at)gmail.com
>
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 4:10 PM Charlie England
> wrote:
>
>> Getting ready to weigh the Twinstar. Anyone have a clue what part of the
>> airframe can be leveled, to put it in flight attitude? On this one,
>> leveling the top tube gives about 5 degrees positive AOA on the bottom o
f
>> the airfoil. Does this sound about right for doing W&B? Was there ever a
>> preferred datum point on these old planes?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Charlie
>>
> --
> Have a great day!
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb available? |
| From: | "Bmwz343" <Bmwz343(at)aol.com> |
Mike Welch wrote:
> Health issues among other things forces me to sell mine. Have him contact me
if hes interested.
>
>
> Mike Welch
> 435-695-7788
>
>
> St. George, Utah
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2017, at 6:09 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
>
>
>
> > I have a friend here that is interested in a Kolb. Anyone currently have
one for sale? It would be nice if it was reasonable. Larry
> >
> > --
> > The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant
of others.
> >
> >
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> >
> > I have a Mark lll Extra factory built with a 912 80 hp. if you are interested
> > Rick 361-229-6061
> > bmwz343(at)aol.com
> > Chuckey Tn
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| From: | "3benny3" <the3benny3(at)gmail.com> |
Yeah I haven't been able to find much on the kolbra's. I have #15, I believe it
is the king kolbra model because of the wider nose? From what I can gather there
was kolbras, and king kolbras same but with wider nose, but not really sure.
I really like the overall design though. Good luck on the build!
--------
912ul King Kolbra ;fun plane
O300 Cessna 172B ;travel plane
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| From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
The Kolbra is nothing more than an oversized Firestar with a big engine. It just
flies faster and can run circles around any Firestar. I'm surprised there aren't
more out there as it's a great flying airplane.
--------
Ralph B
Kolb Kolbra 912uls
N20386
550 hours
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Twinstar Mk I weight & balance? |
Charlie, Set the horizontal stabilizer level. As for datum, it doesn't
matter as long as you're consistent with your measuring and you don't get
minus and plus measurements if your datum is somewhere in the middle of the
plane. I use a point 20 inches in front of the nose, that way all numbers
are positive. You could just as easily make it 20 inches aft of the tail.
It doesn't matter.
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On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Charlie England
wrote:
> Thanks, George; I appreciate it.
>
> My a&p buddy was guessing at 2-3 degrees of actual angle of attack, so
> I'll need to adjust a bit.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 3:28 PM, George Helton wrote
:
>
>> Charlie, I=99m pretty sure the wings leading edge is the preferred
datum.
>> On a level surface the bottom of the wing should be set 8 or 9 degrees b
y
>> raising or lowering the tail. It=99s looking pretty nice in your p
icture.
>> George H.
>> Firestar, FS100
>> Mesick, Michigan
>> gdhelton(at)gmail.com
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 4:10 PM Charlie England
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Getting ready to weigh the Twinstar. Anyone have a clue what part of th
e
>>> airframe can be leveled, to put it in flight attitude? On this one,
>>> leveling the top tube gives about 5 degrees positive AOA on the bottom
of
>>> the airfoil. Does this sound about right for doing W&B? Was there ever
a
>>> preferred datum point on these old planes?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>> --
>> Have a great day!
>>
>
>
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I have a firestar 2 with less than 50 hrs. tt. 503, dual carb , ele. Start.
Asking 9,000. You can call me @ 402-5476406
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Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb available?
From: "Bmwz343" <Bmwz343(at)aol.com>
Mike Welch wrote:
> Health issues among other things forces me to sell mine. Have him contact
me
if hes interested.
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From: "3benny3" <the3benny3(at)gmail.com>
Yeah I haven't been able to find much on the kolbra's. I have #15, I believ
e it
is the king kolbra model because of the wider nose? From what I can gather
there
was kolbras, and king kolbras same but with wider nose, but not really sure
.
I really like the overall design though. Good luck on the build!
--------
912ul King Kolbra ;fun plane
O300 Cessna 172B ;travel plane
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| From: | "Bmwz343" <Bmwz343(at)aol.com> |
I am selling my Mark III extra factory built if one knows someone please let me
know. 361-229-6061 chuckey TN
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| From: | "Bmwz343" <Bmwz343(at)aol.com> |
I am selling my Mark III extra factory built if one knows someone please let me
know. 361-229-6061 chuckey TN
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| From: | "Bmwz343" <Bmwz343(at)aol.com> |
I am selling my Mark III extra factory built if one knows someone please let me
know. 361-229-6061 chuckey TN
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| From: | "Bmwz343" <Bmwz343(at)aol.com> |
I am selling my Mark III extra factory built if one knows someone please let me
know. 361-229-6061 chuckey TN
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| Subject: | First Flights Completed! |
| From: | "RoHam" <RoHam903(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Everyone.
Last weekend yielded the best weather I could have hoped for, warm,sunny and no
winds to speak of. I took my FSII to nearby SFZ where from the Airport manager
on down the line could not have been more friendly and welcoming. They set the
stage for what was a great experience. I got things together, taxied out to
the 5000' runway added power and off I went. I planned using 55mph for climbout
and was amazed at how quicly it accelerated and climbed at that speed. Iflew
around to get a feel for slow speed handling and found it stalled at 40mph dropping
the right wing. Using flaps (yes my FSII has flaps) yeilded only slightly
slower (38)stall with a more pronounced wing drop. Flaps were not used for
remainder of flights. Landing approach was done at 55mph which setup a reasonable
decent. Reaching around 50" I added power to arrest decent, with a flare
around 10' settle to runway and BAM! right up on my nose. [Rolling Eyes] Lesson
learned is make sure you put your size 10 heels in front of the heel brakes,
not in front where comfort dictates. No real damage other than to pride and
bent antena and road rash on cowl. As of yesterday I've put in 8 hrs of time
with a mix of landings from dropping in and respectable. the gear may have
suffer from some. Any way to straightren aluminum gear? Whats the options and
possible vendors? ...Bob
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| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! |
""Lesson learned is make sure you put your size 10 heels !
in front of the heel brakes, not in front where comfort dictates.""
If your heals are hitting the brakes at the same time your toes are on the
rudder pedals....... Here is an idea to think on,,,, only an idea....
If you shorten the rudder cables it should bring the top of the rudder
pedals closer to you / or more over the top of the brakes. Now in order
to hit the brakes you will have to pull your toes back towards you in order
to reach the brakes with your heals... So if an event requires you need
both, you won't have to lift your heals over the pedals waisting time...
Or on the other side of things you could reposition the brakes further
forward... Either way the geometry would be the same.
The choice may depend on the legnth of your legs and which is more
comfortable.
Just think on it.
Boyd Young
On Oct 29, 2017 9:37 AM, "RoHam" wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone.
> Last weekend yielded the best weather I could have hoped for, warm,sunny
> and no winds to speak of. I took my FSII to nearby SFZ where from the
> Airport manager on down the line could not have been more friendly and
> welcoming. They set the stage for what was a great experience. I got things
> together, taxied out to the 5000' runway added power and off I went. I
> planned using 55mph for climbout and was amazed at how quicly it
> accelerated and climbed at that speed. Iflew around to get a feel for slow
> speed handling and found it stalled at 40mph dropping the right wing. Using
> flaps (yes my FSII has flaps) yeilded only slightly slower (38)stall with a
> more pronounced wing drop. Flaps were not used for remainder of flights.
> Landing approach was done at 55mph which setup a reasonable decent.
> Reaching around 50" I added power to arrest decent, with a flare around
> 10' settle to runway and BAM! right up on my nose. [Rolling Eyes] Lesson
> learned is make sure you put your size 10 heels !
> in front of the heel brakes, not in front where comfort dictates. No
> real damage other than to pride and bent antena and road rash on cowl. As
> of yesterday I've put in 8 hrs of time with a mix of landings from dropping
> in and respectable. the gear may have suffer from some. Any way to
> straightren aluminum gear? Whats the options and possible vendors? ...Bob
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473932#473932
>
>
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! |
The gear can be straightened. Most people use a cheap hydraulic press (Harbor
Freight) or a home made jug with a hydraulic jack. Some guys get a set of spare
legs from Kolb. Others have made steel legs, but if you are still learning,
the aluminum ones put less shock on the airframe in case of a goof.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 10/29/17, RoHam wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: First Flights Completed!
No real damage
other than to pride and bent antena and road rash on
cowl. As of yesterday I've put in 8 hrs of time with a mix
of landings from dropping in and respectable. the gear may
have suffer from some. Any way to straightren aluminum gear?
Whats the options and possible vendors? ...Bob
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Wait until Harbor Freight puts this on sale, fix it yourself.
https://www.harborfreight.com/12-ton-hydraulic-pipe-bender-62539.html
In the meanwhile, take the leg to any machine shop, they can straighten it for
about $20 if it is not badly bent.
Attached is my collection of old Firestar/FSII gear legs. The top set is from the
original Firestar from which we built the FF clone, and I would consider them
un-straightenable. The next 3 down all have slight bends and could easily be
fixed with a press in just a few minutes. The bottom one is unbent.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
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| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question) |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
Looking at Richard's pics of gear legs; has anyone ever made a set of
steel legs that don't have any taper? In the RV-x world, the Harmon
Rockets use titanium legs with no taper, but supposedly, titanium's
flexing characteristics are different enough from steel that they can
get away with no taper. Making an axle adapter to fit the fatter leg
cross section wouldn't be that big a deal, but I'm not sure about
transferring extra impulse load directly into the gear sockets if using
non-tapered gear.
Thanks,
Charlie
On 10/29/2017 12:52 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> Wait until Harbor Freight puts this on sale, fix it yourself.
> https://www.harborfreight.com/12-ton-hydraulic-pipe-bender-62539.html
> In the meanwhile, take the leg to any machine shop, they can straighten it for
about $20 if it is not badly bent.
>
> Attached is my collection of old Firestar/FSII gear legs. The top set is from
the original Firestar from which we built the FF clone, and I would consider
them un-straightenable. The next 3 down all have slight bends and could easily
be fixed with a press in just a few minutes. The bottom one is unbent.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473937#473937
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question) |
| From: | jpfitt <jpfitt(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Hello to fellow Kolb owners. Name is John from Northern California, just completed
a FS ll and have been reading all your great comments about building and flying
for about 2 yrs. while finishing my project. I'll be asking for lots of
advice.
Listening in on the gear leg issue...I was wondering if any sort of bungee cord
arrangement like those found on bush planes could absorb some hard landings,
maybe a spring steel leg? ( Maybe steal the front shock struts off my wife's car)
Sent from my iP
> On Oct 29, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Charlie England wrote:
>
>
> Looking at Richard's pics of gear legs; has anyone ever made a set of steel legs
that don't have any taper? In the RV-x world, the Harmon Rockets use titanium
legs with no taper, but supposedly, titanium's flexing characteristics are
different enough from steel that they can get away with no taper. Making an axle
adapter to fit the fatter leg cross section wouldn't be that big a deal, but
I'm not sure about transferring extra impulse load directly into the gear sockets
if using non-tapered gear.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
>
>> On 10/29/2017 12:52 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>>
>> Wait until Harbor Freight puts this on sale, fix it yourself.
>> https://www.harborfreight.com/12-ton-hydraulic-pipe-bender-62539.html
>> In the meanwhile, take the leg to any machine shop, they can straighten it for
about $20 if it is not badly bent.
>>
>> Attached is my collection of old Firestar/FSII gear legs. The top set is from
the original Firestar from which we built the FF clone, and I would consider
them un-straightenable. The next 3 down all have slight bends and could easily
be fixed with a press in just a few minutes. The bottom one is unbent.
>>
>> --------
>> Richard Pike
>> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>>
>> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473937#473937
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1060418_medium_140.jpg
>>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question) |
Yes, sir. We have been flying Kolbs off heat treated 4130 steel legs for
more than 30 years.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question)
Hello to fellow Kolb owners. Name is John from Northern California, just
completed a FS ll and have been reading all your great comments about
building and flying for about 2 yrs. while finishing my project. I'll be
asking for lots of advice.
Listening in on the gear leg issue...I was wondering if any sort of bungee
cord arrangement like those found on bush planes could absorb some hard
landings, maybe a spring steel leg? ( Maybe steal the front shock struts off
my wife's car)
Sent from my iP
> On Oct 29, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Charlie England
wrote:
>
> -->
>
> Looking at Richard's pics of gear legs; has anyone ever made a set of
steel legs that don't have any taper? In the RV-x world, the Harmon Rockets
use titanium legs with no taper, but supposedly, titanium's flexing
characteristics are different enough from steel that they can get away with
no taper. Making an axle adapter to fit the fatter leg cross section
wouldn't be that big a deal, but I'm not sure about transferring extra
impulse load directly into the gear sockets if using non-tapered gear.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
>
>> On 10/29/2017 12:52 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>> -->
>>
>> Wait until Harbor Freight puts this on sale, fix it yourself.
>> https://www.harborfreight.com/12-ton-hydraulic-pipe-bender-62539.html
>> In the meanwhile, take the leg to any machine shop, they can straighten
it for about $20 if it is not badly bent.
>>
>> Attached is my collection of old Firestar/FSII gear legs. The top set is
from the original Firestar from which we built the FF clone, and I would
consider them un-straightenable. The next 3 down all have slight bends and
could easily be fixed with a press in just a few minutes. The bottom one is
unbent.
>>
>> --------
>> Richard Pike
>> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>>
>> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473937#473937
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question) |
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From: John Hauck [mailto:jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 3:39 PM
Subject: FW: Kolb-List: Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question)
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question)
To answer Charlies's question, yes, there are a lot of straight 4130 Kolb g
ear legs out there.
My Brother Jim and I fabricated a set of non-tapered 4130 legs for my origi
nal Firestar in 1987. That is all I have flown on since. In fact, we used
parts of the FS legs to build legs for my current MKIII in 1991.
Don't know of any other Kolbs with steel legs back then. Homer and Dennis
were interested at the time. Just another trick Jim and John Hauck came up
with. ;-) Old Kolb designed a tapered solid 4130 leg that was not near t
he performer ours was/is. New Kolb came up with non-tapered legs with a be
nd to get the nose of the Kolbs higher and in a better 3 point stance.
John Bickham designed and built the first set of non-tapered 4130 legs with
bend for his MKIII, before New Kolb copied his design, or should I say ca
me up with legs just like John B's. ;-)
Should be lots of info on the steel legs in the Kolb List Archives.
I'll see if I can find a photo of the FS and MKIII legs and attach.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question)
Looking at Richard's pics of gear legs; has anyone ever made a set of steel
legs that don't have any taper? In the RV-x world, the Harmon Rockets use
titanium legs with no taper, but supposedly, titanium's flexing characteris
tics are different enough from steel that they can get away with no taper.
Making an axle adapter to fit the fatter leg cross section wouldn't be that
big a deal, but I'm not sure about transferring extra impulse load directl
y into the gear sockets if using non-tapered gear.
Thanks,
Charlie
On 10/29/2017 12:52 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
> -->
>
> Wait until Harbor Freight puts this on sale, fix it yourself.
> https://www.harborfreight.com/12-ton-hydraulic-pipe-bender-62539.html
> In the meanwhile, take the leg to any machine shop, they can straighten i
t for about $20 if it is not badly bent.
>
> Attached is my collection of old Firestar/FSII gear legs. The top set is
from the original Firestar from which we built the FF clone, and I would co
nsider them un-straightenable. The next 3 down all have slight bends and co
uld easily be fixed with a press in just a few minutes. The bottom one is u
nbent.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473937#473937
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1060418_medium_140.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question) |
| From: | jpfitt <jpfitt(at)sbcglobal.net> |
....So the aluminum legs will sooner or later become a lost cause?
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 29, 2017, at 1:33 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> Yes, sir. We have been flying Kolbs off heat treated 4130 steel legs for
> more than 30 years.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
>
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> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jpfitt
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 2:58 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question)
>
>
> Hello to fellow Kolb owners. Name is John from Northern California, just
> completed a FS ll and have been reading all your great comments about
> building and flying for about 2 yrs. while finishing my project. I'll be
> asking for lots of advice.
> Listening in on the gear leg issue...I was wondering if any sort of bungee
> cord arrangement like those found on bush planes could absorb some hard
> landings, maybe a spring steel leg? ( Maybe steal the front shock struts off
> my wife's car)
>
> Sent from my iP
>
>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Charlie England
> wrote:
>>
>> -->
>>
>> Looking at Richard's pics of gear legs; has anyone ever made a set of
> steel legs that don't have any taper? In the RV-x world, the Harmon Rockets
> use titanium legs with no taper, but supposedly, titanium's flexing
> characteristics are different enough from steel that they can get away with
> no taper. Making an axle adapter to fit the fatter leg cross section
> wouldn't be that big a deal, but I'm not sure about transferring extra
> impulse load directly into the gear sockets if using non-tapered gear.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>> On 10/29/2017 12:52 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>>> -->
>>>
>>> Wait until Harbor Freight puts this on sale, fix it yourself.
>>> https://www.harborfreight.com/12-ton-hydraulic-pipe-bender-62539.html
>>> In the meanwhile, take the leg to any machine shop, they can straighten
> it for about $20 if it is not badly bent.
>>>
>>> Attached is my collection of old Firestar/FSII gear legs. The top set is
> from the original Firestar from which we built the FF clone, and I would
> consider them un-straightenable. The next 3 down all have slight bends and
> could easily be fixed with a press in just a few minutes. The bottom one is
> unbent.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Richard Pike
>>> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>>> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>>>
>>> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473937#473937
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Attachments:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1060418_medium_140.jpg
>>>
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| From: | "Mark K" <seanote(at)echoes.net> |
Good afternoon Kolbers. I have a Twinstar MKII that I am redoing and looking for
some pointers on the aft cage tubing bending and fastening. I have scoured the
build manual and plans and photo build manual and don't find any details on
the shape to bend the tubing to. Riveting and gusseting is described but nothing
on shaping. Any and all input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
--------
Mark
Twinstar MKII
Great Bend, PA
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question) |
I think so. The reason we "lost" 7075 alum legs 30 years ago.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jpfitt
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question)
....So the aluminum legs will sooner or later become a lost cause?
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 29, 2017, at 1:33 PM, John Hauck wrote:
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