Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-oq
October 29, 2017 - December 28, 2017
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>
> Yes, sir. We have been flying Kolbs off heat treated 4130 steel legs
> for more than 30 years.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
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> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 2:58 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg
> question)
>
>
> Hello to fellow Kolb owners. Name is John from Northern California,
> just completed a FS ll and have been reading all your great comments
> about building and flying for about 2 yrs. while finishing my project.
> I'll be asking for lots of advice.
> Listening in on the gear leg issue...I was wondering if any sort of
> bungee cord arrangement like those found on bush planes could absorb
> some hard landings, maybe a spring steel leg? ( Maybe steal the front
> shock struts off my wife's car)
>
> Sent from my iP
>
>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Charlie England
> wrote:
>>
>> -->
>>
>> Looking at Richard's pics of gear legs; has anyone ever made a set of
> steel legs that don't have any taper? In the RV-x world, the Harmon
> Rockets use titanium legs with no taper, but supposedly, titanium's
> flexing characteristics are different enough from steel that they can
> get away with no taper. Making an axle adapter to fit the fatter leg
> cross section wouldn't be that big a deal, but I'm not sure about
> transferring extra impulse load directly into the gear sockets if using
non-tapered gear.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>> On 10/29/2017 12:52 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>>> -->
>>>
>>> Wait until Harbor Freight puts this on sale, fix it yourself.
>>> https://www.harborfreight.com/12-ton-hydraulic-pipe-bender-62539.htm
>>> l In the meanwhile, take the leg to any machine shop, they can
>>> straighten
> it for about $20 if it is not badly bent.
>>>
>>> Attached is my collection of old Firestar/FSII gear legs. The top
>>> set is
> from the original Firestar from which we built the FF clone, and I
> would consider them un-straightenable. The next 3 down all have slight
> bends and could easily be fixed with a press in just a few minutes.
> The bottom one is unbent.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Richard Pike
>>> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>>> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>>>
>>> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>>>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question) |
I think so. The reason we "lost" 7075 alum legs 30 years ago.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question)
....So the aluminum legs will sooner or later become a lost cause?
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 29, 2017, at 1:33 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> Yes, sir. We have been flying Kolbs off heat treated 4130 steel legs
> for more than 30 years.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jpfitt
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 2:58 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg
> question)
>
>
> Hello to fellow Kolb owners. Name is John from Northern California,
> just completed a FS ll and have been reading all your great comments
> about building and flying for about 2 yrs. while finishing my project.
> I'll be asking for lots of advice.
> Listening in on the gear leg issue...I was wondering if any sort of
> bungee cord arrangement like those found on bush planes could absorb
> some hard landings, maybe a spring steel leg? ( Maybe steal the front
> shock struts off my wife's car)
>
> Sent from my iP
>
>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Charlie England
> wrote:
>>
>> -->
>>
>> Looking at Richard's pics of gear legs; has anyone ever made a set of
> steel legs that don't have any taper? In the RV-x world, the Harmon
> Rockets use titanium legs with no taper, but supposedly, titanium's
> flexing characteristics are different enough from steel that they can
> get away with no taper. Making an axle adapter to fit the fatter leg
> cross section wouldn't be that big a deal, but I'm not sure about
> transferring extra impulse load directly into the gear sockets if using
non-tapered gear.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>> On 10/29/2017 12:52 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>>> -->
>>>
>>> Wait until Harbor Freight puts this on sale, fix it yourself.
>>> https://www.harborfreight.com/12-ton-hydraulic-pipe-bender-62539.htm
>>> l In the meanwhile, take the leg to any machine shop, they can
>>> straighten
> it for about $20 if it is not badly bent.
>>>
>>> Attached is my collection of old Firestar/FSII gear legs. The top
>>> set is
> from the original Firestar from which we built the FF clone, and I
> would consider them un-straightenable. The next 3 down all have slight
> bends and could easily be fixed with a press in just a few minutes.
> The bottom one is unbent.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Richard Pike
>>> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>>> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>>>
>>> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473937#473937
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1060418_medium_140.jpg
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question) |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks, John, for both the info & the pics. Getting the nose (& wing
angle of attack) up is the primary reason I was asking. Much easier to
fab a set of legs without taper. I even looked at just making them
longer, but to get any height benefit, they'd need to be quite a bit
longer on the old Mk I; the angle is fairly shallow compared to the pics
you posted.
BTW, any of you guys that are 'in the neighborhood' of Jackson MS next
weekend are welcome to our annual Pumpkin Drop here at Slobovia
Outernational (MS71). I sent a flyer to the list about a month ago, but
if you missed it, just write me off-list for flying and/or driving
directions. Early forecast is for rain, but we all know about forecasts. :-)
Charlie
ceengland7(at)gmail.com
On 10/29/2017 3:46 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Hauck [mailto:jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com]
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 3:39 PM
> To: 'kolb-list(at)matronics.com'
> Subject: FW: Kolb-List: Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question)
>
>
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question)
>
> To answer Charlies's question, yes, there are a lot of straight 4130 Kolb gear
legs out there.
>
> My Brother Jim and I fabricated a set of non-tapered 4130 legs for my original
Firestar in 1987. That is all I have flown on since. In fact, we used parts
of the FS legs to build legs for my current MKIII in 1991.
>
> Don't know of any other Kolbs with steel legs back then. Homer and Dennis were
interested at the time. Just another trick Jim and John Hauck came up with.
;-) Old Kolb designed a tapered solid 4130 leg that was not near the performer
ours was/is. New Kolb came up with non-tapered legs with a bend to get the
nose of the Kolbs higher and in a better 3 point stance.
>
> John Bickham designed and built the first set of non-tapered 4130 legs with bend
for his MKIII, before New Kolb copied his design, or should I say came up
with legs just like John B's. ;-)
>
> Should be lots of info on the steel legs in the Kolb List Archives.
>
> I'll see if I can find a photo of the FS and MKIII legs and attach.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 2:29 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question)
>
>
> Looking at Richard's pics of gear legs; has anyone ever made a set of steel legs
that don't have any taper? In the RV-x world, the Harmon Rockets use titanium
legs with no taper, but supposedly, titanium's flexing characteristics are
different enough from steel that they can get away with no taper. Making an axle
adapter to fit the fatter leg cross section wouldn't be that big a deal, but
I'm not sure about transferring extra impulse load directly into the gear sockets
if using non-tapered gear.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
>
> On 10/29/2017 12:52 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>> -->
>>
>> Wait until Harbor Freight puts this on sale, fix it yourself.
>> https://www.harborfreight.com/12-ton-hydraulic-pipe-bender-62539.html
>> In the meanwhile, take the leg to any machine shop, they can straighten it for
about $20 if it is not badly bent.
>>
>> Attached is my collection of old Firestar/FSII gear legs. The top set is from
the original Firestar from which we built the FF clone, and I would consider
them un-straightenable. The next 3 down all have slight bends and could easily
be fixed with a press in just a few minutes. The bottom one is unbent.
>>
>> --------
>> Richard Pike
>> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>>
>> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! |
Bob, As Bill said, yes they can be straightened, but they will be a bit
softer each time and thus easier to bend. Make some saddles out of PVC pipe
to protect the leg from getting a ding when straightening and have at it
with Mr. Hydraulic Press.
When Travis was at Kolb he was the best at supplying answers to Kolb
questions even though he didn't fly. I told him my problems with landings
and his advice was to wheel it on at first rather than trying for a three
point landing, When you can wheel it on consistently then start slowing it
down a bit until you find the sweet spot where she just sets down on three
and rolls out. It's like riding a bike; once you get it, you'll always be
able to roll it right on every time. It just takes a little practice.
Congratulations, sounds like you're having fun with your Kolb. I may be a
little prejudiced but I think it's the best flying fun there is.
Blue skies,
Rick
On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 12:23 PM, william sullivan wrote:
> williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
>
> The gear can be straightened. Most people use a cheap hydraulic press
> (Harbor Freight) or a home made jug with a hydraulic jack. Some guys get
a
> set of spare legs from Kolb. Others have made steel legs, but if you are
> still learning, the aluminum ones put less shock on the airframe in case
of
> a goof.
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Windsor Locks,
> Ct.
>
>
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> On Sun, 10/29/17, RoHam wrote:
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: First Flights Completed!
> No real damage
> other than to pride and bent antena and road rash on
> cowl. As of yesterday I've put in 8 hrs of time with a mix
> of landings from dropping in and respectable. the gear may
> have suffer from some. Any way to straightren aluminum gear?
> Whats the options and possible vendors? ...Bob
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
I've straightened the tapered steel legs from an RV-4 in a HF press
using soft pine 2x4s as pads. One under the ram, and the leg resting
across a pair of them. With the steel legs, the wood crushes enough to
spread the point loads of the ram & support points.
Charlie
On 10/29/2017 5:42 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Bob, As Bill said, yes they can be straightened, but they will be a
> bit softer each time and thus easier to bend. Make some saddles out of
> PVC pipe to protect the leg from getting a ding when straightening and
> have at it with Mr. Hydraulic Press.
> When Travis was at Kolb he was the best at supplying answers to Kolb
> questions even though he didn't fly. I told him my problems with
> landings and his advice was to wheel it on at first rather than trying
> for a three point landing, When you can wheel it on consistently then
> start slowing it down a bit until you find the sweet spot where she
> just sets down on three and rolls out. It's like riding a bike; once
> you get it, you'll always be able to roll it right on every time. It
> just takes a little practice.
> Congratulations, sounds like you're having fun with your Kolb. I may
> be a little prejudiced but I think it's the best flying fun there is.
>
> Blue skies,
> Rick
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 12:23 PM, william sullivan
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> The gear can be straightened. Most people use a cheap hydraulic
> press (Harbor Freight) or a home made jug with a hydraulic jack.
> Some guys get a set of spare legs from Kolb. Others have made
> steel legs, but if you are still learning, the aluminum ones put
> less shock on the airframe in case of a goof.
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Windsor Locks, Ct.
>
>
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> On Sun, 10/29/17, RoHam > wrote:
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: First Flights Completed!
> No real damage
> other than to pride and bent antena and road rash on
> cowl. As of yesterday I've put in 8 hrs of time with a mix
> of landings from dropping in and respectable. the gear may
> have suffer from some. Any way to straightren aluminum gear?
> Whats the options and possible vendors? ...Bob
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! |
When I bought my Firestar, it came with a couple of new legs. The ones that were
on it were a little bent, so I put the new ones on. About 1/2 an hour of taxiing
on grass, and they both bent like the second one in the photo. The previous
owner had made them of 6061 (If I remember).
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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Pike"
Attached is my collection of old
Firestar/FSII gear legs. The top set is from the original
Firestar from which we built the FF clone, and I would
consider them un-straightenable. The next 3 down all have
slight bends and could easily be fixed with a press in just
a few minutes. The bottom one is unbent.
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1060418_medium_140.jpg
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Twinstar MKII |
Mark, I originally built my Twinstar MK II (TS215) back in 1989 I believe.
In those day they came with 1=9D diameter 6061 T6 aluminum struts .
They
didn=99t hold up very well. Homer (Kolb)then went to providing 1 1/8
=9D
diameter aluminum struts which is the standard to this day. I think? You
had to pull an aluminum sleeve out of the cage assembly to install them.
They hold up very well and are very forgiving to the airframe if you happen
to slam a landing. I have a set installed on my 1986 Firestar and they
=99ve
worked fine for 28 years. They=99re beginning to sag a little now so
I plan
on replacing them this winter with new ones that I bought from Kolb along
with the new spindles. One other thing that can cause bent landing gear
struts also is a lack of positive ( toe in.)chamber at your wheel spindles.
No or negative chamber (toe out) try=99s to stretch the landing gear
apart.
This seems to be over looked a lot.
The best advice I can offer is to learn to land. I=99m a believer in
practice, practice, practice. Ex- flight instructor, sorry. Power on,
wheels landings at first until some degree of perfection is reached. Then
move on to power on , crosswind wheels on landings , crab approach to cross
control touchdown. Then power off gliding landings. You will be called on
to perform this someday if you fly a 2 stroke engine long enough. And then
to 3 point. Blowing 3 point landings are not only hard on landing gear legs
but also tailwheel struts and boom tubes. Keep your airspeed up on approach
and fly it to the ground slowing just at touchdown. Remember, Kolbs scrub
speed off quickly, just like most ultralight types. And lastly I leave you
with some words of advice from the late Homer Kolb.
=9CKeep thy airspeed up, lest thee smite the ground.=9D
Thanks for your genius, Homer.
Congrats on your MK II! Enjoy it and be safe out there. George H.
George Helton
Firestar =9C0riginal=9D 1986, FS100
14GDH
Mesick, Michigan
gdhelton(at)gmail.com
On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 5:18 PM Mark K wrote:
>
> Good afternoon Kolbers. I have a Twinstar MKII that I am redoing and
> looking for some pointers on the aft cage tubing bending and fastening. I
> have scoured the build manual and plans and photo build manual and don't
> find any details on the shape to bend the tubing to. Riveting and gusseti
ng
> is described but nothing on shaping. Any and all input will be greatly
> appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>
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> Mark
> Twinstar MKII
> Great Bend, PA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! |
| From: | "RoHam" <RoHam903(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the response,
As far as moving my brake petals,that's not a priority to me. I learned the hard
way where my heels belong and comfortable taking off or landing without being
in position for braking. Only feel I need them for taxiing. I will try to straighten
gear when it seems to get worse. Mine is between Richards #3 & 4 pictures.
I'll see how it goes. Just hoping to get more flying in before the winter
sets in, then I'll make repairs / improvements.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473971#473971
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| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question) |
| From: | "RoHam" <RoHam903(at)gmail.com> |
A buddy of mine is trying this setup for off airport operation. Too much fabrication
for me, but I like it. ...Bob
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! |
Yet another reason to fly off grass until comfortable in the a/c. :-)
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 11:07 AM, RoHam wrote:
>
> Thanks for the response,
> As far as moving my brake petals,that's not a priority to me. I learned
> the hard way where my heels belong and comfortable taking off or landing
> without being in position for braking. Only feel I need them for taxiing. I
> will try to straighten gear when it seems to get worse. Mine is between
> Richards #3 & 4 pictures. I'll see how it goes. Just hoping to get more
> flying in before the winter sets in, then I'll make repairs / improvements.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473971#473971
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/first_landing_623.png
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! |
If you haven't put a Kolb on its nose "yet", you ain't flying.
January 1991, Brother Jim and I were beginning the build on my MKIII at the
Kolb Factory. Homer put us up in the house and treated us like family. H
e always treated Jim and I like family. We were all hanging out up at his
airstrip while he flew kids in the Factory MKIII. Jim and I had been talki
ng about what we were going to do with the stock landing gear. Homer came
in, landed, turned the tail into the wind and promptly put the MKIII on its
nose. Jim and I looked at each other and agreed the main gear needed to c
ome forward. After we finished welding up the fuselage the main gear was 8
" forward of the original location attached to a .75" 4130 square tube brid
ge, now an integral part of the fuselage.
What did this accomplish:
-Never came close to nosing over in over 3400.0 hours.
-Raised the nose to a good 3 point stance which improved short field take o
ffs and landings.
-The 1.125" diameter X .120 wall gear legs heat treated to 48 RC provided a
dequate suspension when combined with the low pressure 800X6 Air Tracs. 48
RC will allow the spring steel legs to bend prior to breaking. This I prov
ed through actual crashes. ;-) The axle sockets are either .90 or .120 an
d welded to the end of the gear leg. Originally, I went with the bolt on a
xle socket, against Brother Jim's recommendation, he wanted to weld them, b
ut I over ruled. Their failure at Rocky Mountain Lodge, 1 July 2000, on Mu
cho Lake, in Northern British Columbia, is what caused my crash and test of
gear legs to failure. Not a good day. 17 years ago. All was not for nau
ght. The day after the crash I got to meet Ernest Borgnine, a real class a
ct and friend halibut fisherman. Some of you old timers probably remember
that day. I was on my way, I thought, to Point Barrow, Alaska. We did mak
e it the next year on Brother Jim's gear legs. ;-)
Don't try and fly a Kolb with 4130 legs that have not been heat treated. T
hey are not springs until they have been in the oven. Yes, and have it don
e by a professional heat treating facility.
BTW: My tail wheel strut is .120 wall 4130 heat treated to 48RC.
Weight is about the same as the alum 7075 legs.
Please pardon my rambling. I tend to do this as I age. ;-)
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: First Flights Completed!
Yet another reason to fly off grass until comfortable in the a/c. :-)
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 11:07 AM, RoHam wrote:
Thanks for the response,
As far as moving my brake petals,that's not a priority to me. I learned the
hard way where my heels belong and comfortable taking off or landing with
out being in position for braking. Only feel I need them for taxiing. I wil
l try to straighten gear when it seems to get worse. Mine is between Richar
ds #3 & 4 pictures. I'll see how it goes. Just hoping to get more flying in
before the winter sets in, then I'll make repairs / improvements.
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| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question) |
" A buddy of mine is trying this setup for off airport operation. Too much fabrication
for me, but I like it. ...Bob"
Fabrication???? There's a month's worth of ENGINEERING that has to be done on that
setup long before the first piece of metal is cut :) !
I am 1000% in favor of innovation and tinkering, but in cases like this where primary
structure is involved the innovation has to be balanced with engineering
done by someone with training. The exotic setup in that photo MAY BE really
well done, and properly engineered. I have no idea if it is or not, and I am not
quaified to say if it is engineered well. But I can say that there either has
been, or has to be, a fair amount of analysis made on how those landing loads
are put into the fuselage structure, and whether the FORWARD fuselage attachment
can take those loads without bending the lower longerons or cross members.
The REAR mounting ties in with the standard Kolb socket tube, so it is LIKELY
OK.
I hope it works, and I hope that the Super Cub tyle bungee arrangement delivers
the result that is being pursued.
Reminds me, I owe the Kolb List a photo of two of my landing gear setup. I used
the extra long steel legs from a Kolb Slingshot, and mounted a set of Desser
21 inch LSA bush tires. John H was right, I'll need a ladder to get in the darn
thing ! I will actually have to make up some sort of step, or stirrup somewhere
to get in it.
But it will give me a very high ground angle for the shortest possibe takeoff.
Bill Berle
FireStar 2 / HKS 700E (now in the engine wiring stage)
Los Angeles, CA
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| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! |
Darn right Ernest Borgnine was a class act ! I saw him give a talk to a group of
young people when our EAA chapter hosted the "Aluminum Overcast" B-17. He was
absolutely awe inspiring. World War 2 Navy veteran before he became an actor.
Bill Berle
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On Mon, 10/30/17, John Hauck wrote:
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: First Flights Completed!
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, October 30, 2017, 10:14 AM
If you haven't put a Kolb
on its nose "yet", you ain't
flying. January 1991, Brother Jim and I
were beginning the build on my MKIII at the Kolb Factory.
Homer put us up in the house and treated us like family.
He always treated Jim and I like family. We were all
hanging out up at his airstrip while he flew kids in the
Factory MKIII. Jim and I had been talking about what we
were going to do with the stock landing gear. Homer came
in, landed, turned the tail into the wind and promptly put
the MKIII on its nose. Jim and I looked at each other and
agreed the main gear needed to come forward. After we
finished welding up the fuselage the main gear was 8"
forward of the original location attached to a .75"
4130 square tube bridge, now an integral part of the
fuselage. What did this
accomplish: -Never came close to nosing
over in over 3400.0 hours. -Raised the nose to a good 3
point stance which improved short field take offs and
landings. -The 1.125" diameter X
.120 wall gear legs heat treated to 48 RC provided adequate
suspension when combined with the low pressure 800X6 Air
Tracs. 48RC will allow the spring steel legs to bend prior
to breaking. This I proved through actual crashes. ;-)
The axle sockets are either .90 or .120 and welded to the
end of the gear leg. Originally, I went with the bolt on
axle socket, against Brother Jim's recommendation, he
wanted to weld them, but I over ruled. Their failure at
Rocky Mountain Lodge, 1 July 2000, on Mucho Lake, in
Northern British Columbia, is what caused my crash and test
of gear legs to failure. Not a good day. 17 years ago.
All was not for naught. The day after the crash I got to
meet Ernest Borgnine, a real class act and friend halibut
fisherman. Some of you old timers probably remember that
day. I was on my way, I thought, to Point Barrow,
Alaska. We did make it the next year on Brother Jim's
gear legs. ;-) Don't try and fly a Kolb
with 4130 legs that have not been heat treated. They are
not springs until they have been in the oven. Yes, and
have it done by a professional heat treating
facility. BTW: My tail wheel strut is
.120 wall 4130 heat treated to 48RC. Weight is about the same as the
alum 7075 legs. Please pardon my rambling. I
tend to do this as I age. ;-) john hmkIIITitus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
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Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: First Flights
Completed! Yet another reason to fly off
grass until comfortable in the a/c. :-) On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 11:07
AM, RoHam
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Thanks for the response,
As far as moving my brake petals,that's not a priority
to me. I learned the hard way where my heels belong and
comfortable taking off or landing without being in
position for braking. Only feel I need them for taxiing. I
will try to straighten gear when it seems to get worse. Mine
is between Richards #3 & 4 pictures. I'll see how it
goes. Just hoping to get more flying in before the
winter sets in, then I'll make repairs /
improvements.
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| Subject: | Rotax 503 GHT probe Question |
| From: | "RoHam" <RoHam903(at)gmail.com> |
Looking over my motor and found I had oil leaking around the plug with the cht
probe on it. Should the original plug gasket be with these probes or discarded?
Anyone ever use a different location for probes, such as a head bolt? wondering
how to remedy [Question]
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 503 GHT probe Question |
| From: | "woody" <n3022.176(at)gmail.com> |
My 503 has similar leakage on the rear cyl. as well. To my knowledge, it has done
this since I brought it home, about 80 eng. hrs. ago. I get a film on the shroud
below the head on the Carb. side. It wipes right off...........
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 503 GHT probe Question |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Similar application, good ideas. http://inventions.aerocorsair.com/id77.htm
>From the Challenger page: http://challengers101.com/CHT_Sensor.html
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| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! |
| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
Congratulations Bob!
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2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 503 GHT probe Question |
| From: | "RoHam" <RoHam903(at)gmail.com> |
I don't worry about the mess it makes, I don't like the fact it's leaking by the
plug seat. Thanks for the links Richard I'll check them when I get home from
work. ...Later
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| Subject: | Re: Twinstar MKII |
| From: | "Mark K" <seanote(at)echoes.net> |
George, Thanks for the info but I was not asking about landing gear. I am asking
about the rear cage fairing tubing and if there is any detail for input on
it's shape.
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Twinstar MKII
Great Bend, PA
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| Subject: | Re: Twinstar MKII |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Here are some from the one blueprint page of an original Firestar. While obviously
not the same, they do show the concept, so perhaps you can improvise from
here. I resized these up to the biggest possible without being overwhelming. Hope
this helps.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | Re: Twinstar MKII |
| From: | "Mark K" <seanote(at)echoes.net> |
Richard, Thanks for the input. I'll put these images in my reference binder and
they will help. Have you ever seen any documentation with a top view of the
same cage fairings? Mark
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Mark
Twinstar MKII
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| Subject: | Re: Twinstar MKII |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
The blueprints I have (which seem to be complete) don't show anything.
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Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Twinstar MKII |
I got the impression that the view of the connection was from the top down.
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Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Twinstar MKII
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, November 1, 2017, 7:55 AM
Pike"
The blueprints I have (which seem to be
complete) don't show anything.
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Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | Re: Twinstar MKII |
| From: | "Mark K" <seanote(at)echoes.net> |
The second photo is a top view of one of the rear connections and only the rear
connection. Still looking for more detail if available. Hoping for more. The
other photos are side views with the engine mount at the top.
thanks
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| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! |
| From: | "RoHam" <RoHam903(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Mike,
Hows the your project coming?
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| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! |
| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
Pretty good! moving along!
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2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
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| From: | Jon LaVasseur <firestar503(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Wing support dolly |
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Hi Kolbers,
Over the years Ive seen several ideas posted for permanent cradles for mounting
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| Subject: | Re: Wing support dolly |
| From: | "RoHam" <RoHam903(at)gmail.com> |
I have this one photo of a boom/wing caster assembly. I'd like to see a tailwheel
hook for moving the plane when the wings are folded.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing support dolly |
| From: | "RoHam" <RoHam903(at)gmail.com> |
A buddy of mine uses these cradles that he purchased at Harbor Freight for short
money. He has one also on tail wheel, which allows for movement in any direction.
Sorry for large photo. I'm not sure how to shrink it.
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| Subject: | Mk 3 Classic weight |
| From: | "normros" <norm2mac(at)gmail.com> |
I bought a Mk3 classic a few months ago and have been trying to get it back onto
the UK register. I have been told I need an up to date weight and balance. However
when I weighed the A/C I found it had put on 35 kilos since it's last weighing.
It has been sitting unused for 4 years in a metal trailer - is it possible the
fabric and/or airframe has absorbed moisture? Nothing (according to the log book)
has been added since it's last weighing.
Weights are (first weight is latest, second in brackets is previous):-
Left wheel - 100 kilos (86 kilos)
Right wheel - 100 kilos (84 kilos)
Tail wheel - 30.5 kilos (29.8 kilos)
Given that the tail weights are pretty similar, all the gained weight would appear
to be round the wings and cockpit where the majority of the fabric is.
Fuel in tanks has been allowed for.
Thanks, Norman
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mk 3 Classic weight |
Norman, After working on two Mk III's to get their weight down, you're
plane's original weight of 200 Kg is completely bogus. The factory lists
the weight of the IIIC as 497 lb (224 Kg) and that is VERY difficult to
achieve. According to Travis at Kolb the average Mk IIIX comes in at 600
lb! (both empty weights assume a 582, not a 912) I'd say either the
original weighing was done incompetently or it was deliberately falsified.
Rick Girard
On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 9:21 AM, normros wrote:
>
> I bought a Mk3 classic a few months ago and have been trying to get it
> back onto the UK register. I have been told I need an up to date weight a
nd
> balance. However when I weighed the A/C I found it had put on 35 kilos
> since it's last weighing.
> It has been sitting unused for 4 years in a metal trailer - is it possibl
e
> the fabric and/or airframe has absorbed moisture? Nothing (according to t
he
> log book) has been added since it's last weighing.
> Weights are (first weight is latest, second in brackets is previous):-
> Left wheel - 100 kilos (86 kilos)
> Right wheel - 100 kilos (84 kilos)
> Tail wheel - 30.5 kilos (29.8 kilos)
> Given that the tail weights are pretty similar, all the gained weight
> would appear to be round the wings and cockpit where the majority of the
> fabric is.
> Fuel in tanks has been allowed for.
>
> Thanks, Norman
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mk 3 Classic weight |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
Were the same scales used since last time? Has fuel been added since last time?
Did the last guy add additional instrumentation or other stuff after he did
the first weigh?
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| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
There is 30 kilos different on the main gear,,, that is a lot.... And the
weight on the tail wheel is down... That would tell me that the weight on
the mains was added in front of the mains.... Most of the wing fabric is
behind the wheels, so I would be inclined to dismiss that idea... Was any
weight added under the floor boards for w&b.
Maybe the answer is in the accuracy of the scales???? Any chance they
changed the engine? I can't think that is the case,,, the engine is
behind the main gear and would have caused an increase in all 3 wheel
weights.
I don't think I have ever heard of a Mk 3 coming in at 200 k. 230 k is
an extremely light Mk 3. Maybe with a 503.... Most come in at 270 k. Or
45.85 stone,,,,, or 600 Yankee pounds. :-)
Boyd Young
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| Subject: | Re: Wing support dolly |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Vince designed this for his FSII, we are using it on the FF, and it works good.
A little explanation is in order: the two 1x4's lay on either side of the lower
fin, and above the tail wheel, including above the arms that come out at the
base of the rudder. The rest of it extends foreward so that the 2x4 with the
castors on it is about even with the forward end of the vertical fin.
Notice the rope that goes through one of the 1x4's about half way along: the rope
goes through the opening just behind the aft fuselage ring where the elevator
and rudder horns are, goes down to below the lower fin, and back up where it
is passed through the rope loop and tied off to secure that section.
Up at the front end, there is carpet to pad things, you also lay carpet over the
boom tube and tie that all together with a rope wrapped around it.
The two ends of the 1x4's stick out the back beyond the rudder a bit and you can
use them to pick up the tail of the airplane or guide it around. The aft ends
of the 1x4's have carpet padding on the inside to protect the fabric on the
lower fin and the rudder.
It is a bit tricky to get it in place the first few times, especially by yourself,
but it works good once the airplane is tied to it. And when you fold the wings,
it keeps the leading edges up away from the ground.
You do want to have the horizontal stab tied up alongside the vertical fin before
you start trying to get the dolly into position.
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Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | Re: Wing support dolly |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
RoHam wrote:
> Sorry for large photo. I'm not sure how to shrink it.
No problem, apparently Windows 10 no longer includes the ability to resize pictures,
so you are not alone.
Fortunately there is a (free) fantastic user friendly image program that will do
that and about everything else:
http://www.irfanview.com/
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | "normros" <norm2mac(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Boyd, it really is a puzzle. (582 by the way).
Norman
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| Subject: | Re: Mk 3 Classic weight |
| From: | "normros" <norm2mac(at)gmail.com> |
Rex - Different scales, but we used 3 different sets and they were all within .5
kilos of each other - a fuel weight allowance was deducted (except for unusable
fuel) - nothing has been added (according to the aircraft log).
Rick - The UK has different "rules" than you folks, quote from the U.K. CAA (Civil
Aviation Authority):-
"A microlight is an aeroplane designed to carry either one person or two people
(and not more) and which has a maximum total weight authorised (MTWA) not exceeding
450 kg for a two seat landplane
A microlight must also have either a wing loading at the maximum weight authorised
not exceeding 25 kg per square metre or a stalling speed at the maximum weight
authorised not exceeding 35 knots calibrated speed."
A wingtip extension modification was cleared to increase the wing area to 15.6
square metres allowing a MAUW of 390 Kilos (860lbs).
I can't see the weights being falsified as they were done by two different LAA
(Light Aircraft Association, the regulating body) Inspectors as was mine.
I don't have any paperwork on the original build, but the guy flew it with permits
for 6 years.
There must be a very well fed family of mice living in the wings. :?
Norman
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| From: | Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mk 3 Classic weight |
My friends mk3c with 582 was585# mine with Jab 2200 wheel pants and bucket seats
640#
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> On Nov 5, 2017, at 10:21 AM, normros wrote:
>
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> I bought a Mk3 classic a few months ago and have been trying to get it back onto
the UK register. I have been told I need an up to date weight and balance.
However when I weighed the A/C I found it had put on 35 kilos since it's last
weighing.
> It has been sitting unused for 4 years in a metal trailer - is it possible the
fabric and/or airframe has absorbed moisture? Nothing (according to the log
book) has been added since it's last weighing.
> Weights are (first weight is latest, second in brackets is previous):-
> Left wheel - 100 kilos (86 kilos)
> Right wheel - 100 kilos (84 kilos)
> Tail wheel - 30.5 kilos (29.8 kilos)
> Given that the tail weights are pretty similar, all the gained weight would appear
to be round the wings and cockpit where the majority of the fabric is.
> Fuel in tanks has been allowed for.
>
> Thanks, Norman
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=474428#474428
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| From: | Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mk 3 Classic weight |
70 # is hard to miss. Agree that original numbers could be fiction.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 5, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Rex Rodebush wrote:
>
>
> Were the same scales used since last time? Has fuel been added since last time?
Did the last guy add additional instrumentation or other stuff after he did
the first weigh?
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Mk 3 Classic weight |
My MKIIIc weighed 630 lbs in 1994. No telling what it weighs now. That's
with a 912ULS.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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My friends mk3c with 582 was585# mine with Jab 2200 wheel pants and bucket
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| From: | Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | florida x country |
=C2-we are flying a rans s6es w/a 912 from Clermont FL to Michigan next w
eek .We can navigate the trip just fine but any suggestions on airports wit
h better than average services and convent places to stay =C2- would be r
eally cool . =C2- malMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair http://michigansportpilotrepair.comLSRM-A, PPC,
WS
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | florida x country |
I've flown up and down that route many times, but never found a convent
at or near any of the airports I landed.
What would you consider "better than average services?"
For me that would be cheap self service av gas.
I landed at a farmer's grass strip just outside Washington, Indiana, on
a flight from OSH to Gantt International Airport, Alabama. Driven down
by low viz and heavy rain. He put me up in his shop and took me to
supper at the local Amish Buffet. Had a little gall from the local
newspaper come out next morning to take photos and get an interview.
Even sent me a copy of the article after I got back to hauck's holler.
It was great. Normally they tell you they'll send you a copy, but never
fulfill their promise.
On another flight I landed at Washington Airport, Indiana. Discovered I
could sleep in the FBO and found an old beater in the parking lot with
the key in it. Beat feet down to the Amish Buffet once again.
Those were fun days.
Now those were really cool days, mal. Good luck and have a safe flight.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Malcolm
Brubaker
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2017 8:04 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: florida x country
we are flying a rans s6es w/a 912 from Clermont FL to Michigan next
week .We can navigate the trip just fine but any suggestions on airports
with better than average services and convent places to stay would be
really cool . mal
Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
<http://michigansportpilotrepair.com/>
http://michigansportpilotrepair.com
LSRM-A, PPC, WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
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| From: | Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: florida x country |
=C2-we will be basically flying the I75 corridor. premium auto gas, curte
sy car and a nice place to sleep is all were looking for =C2-=C2-Malcol
m & Jeanne Brubaker
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WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 9:47 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: florida x country
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lly cool days, mal.=C2- Good luck and have a safe flight. =C2-john hmkI
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and convent places to stay =C2- would be really cool . =C2- malMalcolm
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WS
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for Ultralight & Light Sport
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| Subject: | Re: Mk 3 Classic weight |
| From: | "normros" <norm2mac(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks everyone for your input. I'm trying to contact the original builder to see
if there's any explanation.
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| Subject: | Fastening hydraulic brake lines |
| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
Is there a preferred way to fasten the plastic hydraulic brake lines whilst routing
them through airframe and landing gear? Or just zip tie and move on
Thanks Mike
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Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
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| Subject: | Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
Zip ties work fine for me. Check out "Flying a Kolb over Table Rock Lake" on utube.
You can see them on the landing gear in the first minute of the video.
If in a high vibration area there is a chance of cutting so use some extra tubing
around the line for protection from the tie.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines |
I have always used nylon tie wraps. No problems. Works great.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rex Rodebush
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 10:00 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines
Zip ties work fine for me. Check out "Flying a Kolb over Table Rock Lake"
on utube. You can see them on the landing gear in the first minute of the
video.
If in a high vibration area there is a chance of cutting so use some extra
tubing around the line for protection from the tie.
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| Subject: | Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
It's usually good form to wrap the structure with a turn or two of
silicone tape, or even vinyl electrical tape before zip tying, to
protect the metal from abrasion. Grit under the zip tie works like an
abrasive cutoff wheel, if you don't.
On 11/11/2017 9:59 AM, Rex Rodebush wrote:
>
> Zip ties work fine for me. Check out "Flying a Kolb over Table Rock Lake" on
utube. You can see them on the landing gear in the first minute of the video.
>
> If in a high vibration area there is a chance of cutting so use some extra tubing
around the line for protection from the tie.
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines |
Here is picture of a slmple plastic tie with plastic tubing standoff
system. Works equally as well for hydraulic tubing and mechanical cables
and wiring looms.
George H.
Firestar. FS100
Mesick, Michigan
On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 9:49 AM Mcabbage wrote:
>
> Is there a preferred way to fasten the plastic hydraulic brake lines
> whilst routing them through airframe and landing gear? Or just zip tie and
> move on
> Thanks Mike
>
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> 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
> Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
> Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=474756#474756
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>
> --
Have a great day!
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| Subject: | Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines |
| From: | jpfitt <jpfitt(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I am using the black max brakes on my FS ll and decided that a 1/4 " aluminum
tube "conduit" was good protection for the plastic hydraulic line as it ran down
the top of the gear leg. The conduit extends thru the fuselage cage fabric
and the lower end has a slight horizontal bend secured by a band using one of
the axle bolts.
Double Zip ties at the top and half way down.
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 11, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Mcabbage wrote:
>
>
> Is there a preferred way to fasten the plastic hydraulic brake lines whilst routing
them through airframe and landing gear? Or just zip tie and move on
> Thanks Mike
>
> --------
> 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
> Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
> Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=474756#474756
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines |
| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
Thank you guy's I appreciate it.
I also have the black max brakes. I'm thinking to install a parking brake in there
also.
Regards Mike
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Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
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| Subject: | Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
I've always been just a little paranoid about extra fittings & gadgets
in the brake system, at least on the heavier stuff I've flown. My
personal preference would be a couple of light weight chocks, made from
aluminum angle, with a little pocket somewhere to stow them.
Charlie
(With an aside to John H. , noting that I didn't say 'bigger', now that
a 380 lb Twinstar is taking up most of my 50x50 hangar.)
On 11/11/2017 8:08 PM, Mcabbage wrote:
>
> Thank you guy's I appreciate it.
> I also have the black max brakes. I'm thinking to install a parking brake in
there also.
> Regards Mike
>
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> 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
> Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
> Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines |
First time I flew Kolb Slingshot was at Oshkosh some years ago. I hopped in,
taxied out, took off, flew the traffic pattern, landed, taxied back to the gate
to push it back to the Kolb display. When I got out I told Dennis Souder it
took a lot of power to taxi, much more than I felt it should. He reached under
the seat and told me the parking brake was on. What parking brake? ;-) They
had put a shut off valve in the brake line and didn't tell me about it. I
made that flight operation without nosing over. Good thing the brakes were no
more effective than they were.
380 lbs is very light for a Twinstar. My original Firestar weighed that much by
the time I finished adding stuff to it.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines
I've always been just a little paranoid about extra fittings & gadgets in the brake
system, at least on the heavier stuff I've flown. My personal preference
would be a couple of light weight chocks, made from aluminum angle, with a little
pocket somewhere to stow them.
Charlie
(With an aside to John H. , noting that I didn't say 'bigger', now that a 380 lb
Twinstar is taking up most of my 50x50 hangar.)
On 11/11/2017 8:08 PM, Mcabbage wrote:
>
> Thank you guy's I appreciate it.
> I also have the black max brakes. I'm thinking to install a parking brake in
there also.
> Regards Mike
>
> --------
> 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
> Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider Trike Buggy Soaring Trike
> & Northwing Stratus XP
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| Subject: | Twinstar; was: Fastening hydraulic brake lines |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
That's good news, on the weight. I wasn't sure what to expect, since
it's so old (early '80s Mk I) and since the boom tube & tail surfaces
have an extra layer of paint. It has the Black Max 6x6 wheels, with
mostly bald tires off a Decathalon. Just a heads-up; a/c 6.00x6 tires
fit those wheels great, and work just fine (at least sitting on the
ground) without tubes in them. I'm not trying to run them with minimum
pressure, though.
Another parking brake story:
Decades ago, a local pilot here in Jackson MS bought a new Maule, and
put it on its nose at the factory when he went to pick it up, before
ever leaving the airport. After Maule fixed it, he flew it back here,
and later to the grass strip at his deer camp. Killed a deer, and that
evening, loaded the carcass in the back of the Maule. Early the next
morning, with dew still on everything, he flew back to one of the
municipal airports. He touched down on the paved runway, and the plane
instantly went over the parking brake-locked wheels onto its back.
Emergency response crews spent a frantic few minutes trying to find the
source of all the blood before realizing he was unhurt.....
Charlie
On 11/11/2017 8:47 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> First time I flew Kolb Slingshot was at Oshkosh some years ago. I hopped in,
taxied out, took off, flew the traffic pattern, landed, taxied back to the gate
to push it back to the Kolb display. When I got out I told Dennis Souder
it took a lot of power to taxi, much more than I felt it should. He reached under
the seat and told me the parking brake was on. What parking brake? ;-)
They had put a shut off valve in the brake line and didn't tell me about it.
I made that flight operation without nosing over. Good thing the brakes were
no more effective than they were.
>
> 380 lbs is very light for a Twinstar. My original Firestar weighed that much
by the time I finished adding stuff to it.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England
> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 8:27 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines
>
>
> I've always been just a little paranoid about extra fittings & gadgets in the
brake system, at least on the heavier stuff I've flown. My personal preference
would be a couple of light weight chocks, made from aluminum angle, with a little
pocket somewhere to stow them.
>
> Charlie
> (With an aside to John H. , noting that I didn't say 'bigger', now that a 380
lb Twinstar is taking up most of my 50x50 hangar.)
>
> On 11/11/2017 8:08 PM, Mcabbage wrote:
>>
>> Thank you guy's I appreciate it.
>> I also have the black max brakes. I'm thinking to install a parking brake in
there also.
>> Regards Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Twinstar; was: Fastening hydraulic brake lines |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
As long as we are confessing (and I'm not even Catholic...!) shortly after I built
my Anglin J-6, I flew it to a friend's grass strip (within the 25 mile radius)
and then back to TRI. Had not yet tried to get it in or out of my Indian
Springs 750' strip. During the takeoff, it took forever to get it off the ground,
and when I touched down, the tires chirped, the airplane kicked to the right,
and I took out a runway light before I could get it stopped. Yep - parking
brakes were on. DOH! When I went to work the next day, there was a hand-drawn
cartoon over my locker.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and Grace really is amazing.
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| Subject: | Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines |
| From: | "kenw" <worthken67(at)gmail.com> |
check out some of the 100+ 3D printed items from Rainbow Aviation / EMG-6 project.
they have nice looking brake line attachments & a T-fitting attachment also.
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| Subject: | Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines |
| From: | "kenw" <worthken67(at)gmail.com> |
examples of 3D printed items.
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kenw
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| Subject: | Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines |
| From: | "Mcabbage" <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> |
nicely done thank you!
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2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
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| Subject: | Flying Mk 3 Xtra tail heavy |
| From: | "Dan Breitigam" <dbrtgm(at)me.com> |
Hello all,
I am getting ready to test fly my Mark III Xtra after restoration and new engine
(1.3 liter Geo Metro 100 HP). Weight and balance shows it is barely in the envelope
on the tail heavy side.
Question 1: Is it safe to fly?
Question 2: What arm do folks use for the distance to datum for pilot/passenger
and 19 gal fuel tank?
Question 3: Does anyone carry extra nose weight when flying solo?
Thanx!
Dan in Chattanooga
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Mk 3 Xtra tail heavy |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
As long as it is within the envelope, it is safe to fly, however, some of the questions
you ask make me wonder how you calculated your weight and balance. (no
offense, this is not an easy topic, and it is like using MS Windows: there are
many ways to do one task)
Check out this link: http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/Lexan%20rear%20enclosure.html
Scroll down until you get to the Gen-U-Wine Kolb MKIII W&B pages.
The CG of people is determined at the belly button. (seriously) So your moment
arm from that point to what you think is the center of weight of your gas tank
is what you would use for the difference between full fuel/empty fuel, solo or
2 up, and all permutations of that particular equation.
I do not carry nose weight, but if I lose another 30 pounds I will need it if I
fly solo. (LOL)
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and Grace really is amazing.
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| From: | Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Mk 3 Xtra tail heavy |
At 175# solo my mk3 is at the aft limit Fine in smooth air but when bumpy
it wallows like passing over the wake of a boat then back to stable. I have about
40 # of shot in a plastic and denim bag and the Claw tie downs secured to
rings on pass side floor which cures the handling. Fuel affects CG almost none
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Dan Breitigam wrote:
>
> all,
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Mk 3 Xtra tail heavy |
| From: | "Dan Breitigam" <dbrtgm(at)me.com> |
I checked out the link you recommended Richard but the shape of the tank I got
from Bryan is not square like in the plans. It is triangular or more accurately
a trapezoid shape. So the center of mass is not intuitive. Therefore I dont
know how to determine the arm length to use in the formula which I have laid out
in Excell.
Of course I could weigh it with full fuel but I just wanted to calculate W&B with
my Excell file.
Thanx,
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Wing support dolly |
| From: | "woody" <n3022.176(at)gmail.com> |
I don't have plans, but I have a fine boom dolly that I put together a few years
back. I don't have a picture available but will take some, along with measurements
when I get over to my hanger, tomorrow I hope. 8)
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Mk 3 Xtra tail heavy |
| From: | Wayne Schneider <jwaynes(at)gmail.com> |
You can calculate the arm of the fuel by weighing the plane twice.
Once with it empty and again with full fuel.
Below is a made up example. The result is that the fuel is at an arm of
13.36.
I can send you an Excel spreadsheet to do this if you email me off line.
Left Main Right Main Tail wheel
Datum distance 9 9 195
Empty Weights 222.42 224.92 60.4
507.74 Total Empty Weight
Empty Moment 2001.78 2024.28 11778
15804.06 Total Empty Moment
31.13 Empty Weight C.G.
Full Fuel Weights 256 258 62
576 Total Weight Full Fuel
Full Fuel Moment 2304 2322 12090
16716 Total Full Fuel Moment
29.02 Full Fuel C.G.
Fuel Weight 68.2600000000001
Fuel Moment 911.940000000001
Fuel Arm 13.36
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| From: | Mike <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing support dolly |
I made these for the front wheels.
Mike W.
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| From: | Mike <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing support dolly |
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| From: | Mike <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing support dolly |
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| From: | Mike <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
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| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing support dolly |
That's pretty darn nice !!!!
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Thu, 11/16/17, Mike wrote:
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Wing support dolly
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com"
Date: Thursday, November 16, 2017, 11:42 AM
Here is what I built a long time ago. The second
picture shows it being built and before paint and
upholstery. The round hinged tube is an 8 diameter
PVC water pipe given to me by our local water department.
(They give away short pieces). The wing
supports rock back and forth to allow for full support of
the leading edge. The wheels are Harbor Freights.
The upholstery is heavy duty fabric, foam and a hot
glue gun.
Mike Welch
Mike Welch
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Mk 3 Xtra tail heavy |
| From: | "baberdk" <baberdk(at)gmail.com> |
I would move the engine forward.
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| From: | Clyde MacQuarrie <clydemacquarrie(at)eastlink.ca> |
Hi Matt. I submitted a contribution by Visa last week. Could you advise if you
receive it?
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 15, 2017, at 11:33 AM, Matt Dralle wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
The vibration is now 99% GONE. Over 5,000 rpm it is as smooth as the 582 on the
MKIII, between 5,000 and 4,600 you can feel it just a little.
The support bracket is welded to a base that is clamped securely to the the beefy
end of the spar carrythrough. Rubber hangars are the usual ones from Advance
Auto Parts. I got the tapered cone from Jegs hot rod supplies for $33. A lot
cheaper than getting one from Rotax... The length for the cone came from an old
LEAF catalog, used the muffler inlet diameter & exhaust ball socket outlet
diameter to claculate the cone length & taper, must have got it right, it runs
perfect and the EGT's are good.
This whole rig might actually be just as light or lighter than the original hang-it-off-the-head
arrangement. Surprisingly it is not any noiser.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
Can't call that one a tail pipe. More like a head pipe.
john h
mkIII
Titus, AL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 12:22 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!)
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The vibration is now 99% GONE. Over 5,000 rpm it is as smooth as the 582 on
the MKIII, between 5,000 and 4,600 you can feel it just a little.
The support bracket is welded to a base that is clamped securely to the the
beefy end of the spar carrythrough. Rubber hangars are the usual ones from
Advance Auto Parts. I got the tapered cone from Jegs hot rod supplies for
$33. A lot cheaper than getting one from Rotax... The length for the cone
came from an old LEAF catalog, used the muffler inlet diameter & exhaust
ball socket outlet diameter to claculate the cone length & taper, must have
got it right, it runs perfect and the EGT's are good.
This whole rig might actually be just as light or lighter than the original
hang-it-off-the-head arrangement. Surprisingly it is not any noiser.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and Grace really is
amazing.
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| Subject: | Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
John Hauck wrote:
> Can't call that one a tail pipe. More like a head pipe.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, AL
> --
[Laughing] [Rolling Eyes]
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and Grace really is amazing.
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
I am wondering if the exhaust outlet is pointed at the fabric, making it too
hot. Any sign of it? Maybe it ought to be turned up?
Bill Sullivan
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On Sat, 11/18/17, Richard Pike wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!)
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Saturday, November 18, 2017, 10:14 PM
Pike"
John Hauck wrote:
> Can't call that one a tail
pipe. More like a head pipe.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, AL
> --
[Laughing] [Rolling Eyes]
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Mk 3 Xtra tail heavy |
| From: | Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com> |
Thanks, what model are you presently flying?
> On Nov 16, 2017, at 5:39 PM, baberdk wrote:
>
>
> I would move the engine forward.
>
>
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>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475095#475095
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| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
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| Subject: | Re: The FireFly flies! (And it flies EXXCELLENT!) |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
williamtsullivan(at)att.n wrote:
> I am wondering if the exhaust outlet is pointed at the fabric, making it too
hot. Any sign of it? Maybe it ought to be turned up? Bill Sullivan
>
We turned it just barely down so if we got caught parked in the rain it wouldn't
run down inside the muffler, but next time I run it I'll check. Thanks.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and Grace really is amazing.
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| Subject: | Happy Thanksgiving! |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Happy Thanksgiving to all the Kolbers and Kolbettes on the list, piddled with the
FF a bit today and then took it flying for about 15 minutes. Had a good little
breeze today, and up to now had only flown it in calm conditions. Flew good,
ailerons are heavy as sin, feels way heavier than my MKIII, so the next part
of the project will be to change the bellcrank arms for less throw and more
leverage. Otherwise it flew fine.
The 277 now vibrates no more than any other 2 stroke above 5,000, and it is slightly
worse but still acceptable from 4,500 to 5,000 so will quit worrying about
that.
Also, on the other thread; Bill Sullivan asked about the effect of the exhaust
pipe heating the wing fabric - now that the outlet is at the front I could hold
my hand at the exhaust outlet and was quite surprised that at 6" away there
is no heat at all. You have to get to within 2" before it starts to get hot. Wouldn't
have guessed that.
It is supposed to get up to 60 tomorrow, so will rejet it a tad richer and try
it again. The EGT kept flirting with 1200 today, that is a bit too hot.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and Grace really is amazing.
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| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Happy Thanksgiving! |
Happy Turkey Day you turkeys ! :) I hope everyone in the Kolb community had a wonderful
and meaningful day today. We all have something to be thankful for.
Richard, if it is too chilly there, bring your airplane to Los Angeles to test
fly it.... it was only 92 degrees here today!
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Thu, 11/23/17, Richard Pike wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: Happy Thanksgiving!
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Thursday, November 23, 2017, 3:02 PM
Pike"
Happy Thanksgiving to all the Kolbers
and Kolbettes on the list, piddled with the FF a bit today
and then took it flying for about 15 minutes. Had a good
little breeze today, and up to now had only flown it in calm
conditions. Flew good, ailerons are heavy as sin, feels way
heavier than my MKIII, so the next part of the project will
be to change the bellcrank arms for less throw and more
leverage. Otherwise it flew fine.
The 277 now vibrates no more than any
other 2 stroke above 5,000, and it is slightly worse but
still acceptable from 4,500 to 5,000 so will quit worrying
about that.
Also, on the other thread; Bill
Sullivan asked about the effect of the exhaust pipe heating
the wing fabric - now that the outlet is at the front I
could hold my hand at the exhaust outlet and was quite
surprised that at 6" away there is no heat at all. You have
to get to within 2" before it starts to get hot. Wouldn't
have guessed that.
It is supposed to get up to 60
tomorrow, so will rejet it a tad richer and try it again.
The EGT kept flirting with 1200 today, that is a bit too
hot.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Thanksgiving! |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
victorbravo(at)sbcglobal. wrote:
> Richard, if it is too chilly there, bring your airplane to Los Angeles to test
fly it.... it was only 92 degrees here today!
>
> Bill Berle
NP; let me go change the jetting again...
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Thanksgiving! |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Got home this afternoon around 4:30, just enough time to swap in the next bigger
main jet and go for a short hop before sunset. EGT's are ideal, barely nudges
1150 once in a while, the rest of the time stays around 1050-1100.
Lowered the nose and then BRAKKKKKK! Horrific racket from just above and behind
my head, scared the fool out of me! Turned out the gap seal was weakened from
where we cut it to fit the new muffler mount, and now whenever you get it over
50, it flutters. LOUDLY!
Anyway, now that the engine is behaving, I can work on a new gap seal.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and Grace really is amazing.
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Happy Thanksgiving! |
Before I let go of my Firestar, I made a gap seal out of a wide piece of flashing,
reinforced with some hardware store aluminum angle. The front was secured
with bolts and nylock nuts through the leading edge tubing extensions. There
was a hinged piece that was cut out to go around the engine, and it could be
flipped forward for fueling.
I had tried using fabric and velcro, but the glue on the velcro slipped out in
the sun.
Bill Sullivan
--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 11/24/17, Richard Pike wrote:
Lowered the nose and then BRAKKKKKK!
Horrific racket from just above and behind my head, scared
the fool out of me! Turned out the gap seal was weakened
from where we cut it to fit the new muffler mount, and now
whenever you get it over 50, it flutters. LOUDLY!
Anyway, now that the engine is
behaving, I can work on a new gap seal.
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| From: | SugarDad <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
Merry Christmas one and all...!!
Still looking for a Firestar or Firefly...and by the way...pretty
nice MkIII classic in W.Va. ..comes with 2002 912S . 180 hours...both.
Estate.
Herb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: He's BAAACK!! |
| From: | "wakataka" <wakataka(at)charter.net> |
Herb -
Looks like I'm going to be selling my Firestar. I own it jointly with a friend
and he's getting out of flying. I've got another airplane so this one will be
surplus. I haven't listed it anywhere yet. Here's a video that shows a bit of
what it looks like.
https://youtu.be/toCBMcCzrzg
I planned to do a detailed video of the bird when I listed it. It's a 1985 Firestar
with a Rotax 377 and a 64" Warp Drive Prop. The fabric is original but it's
well done. I punch tested it just last week and it passed. It has a BRS that
still has a couple of years before it expires and a strobe. The panel is basic
steam guages. It's got mechanical, heel-operated disc brakes and the original
"wheel barrow" wheels. I've owned it for about 5 years. I replaced the spring
washers in the gearbox when I bought it. I put a Ducati electronic ignition
on it and replaced the pistons and cylinders with good used ones. I've got a
lot of spares for it, including a dual carb set up that I never installed and
a spare set of pistons and cylinders. It flies regularly and runs very smoothly.
It's not the prettiest bird around but it's airworthy and flies nicely. I'll
attach a few photos from Barnstormers when I bought the plane back in 2012,
but it looks pretty much the same. I replaced the analog tach with a Tiny Tach.
I'd like to get $3,500 for it. It's located in Corning, California.
Martin B.
--------
There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of
conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
Mark Twain
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| Subject: | Re: He's BAAACK!! |
| From: | SugarDad <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
I would buy it...save the 2k delivery fee or more...paid that amount
when I bought a Firefly and a Trike from Orange Co..couple of years
ago...and I guess 2k was cheap!
Nice videos..Herb
On 11/28/2017 09:24 PM, wakataka wrote:
>
> Herb -
> Looks like I'm going to be selling my Firestar. I own it jointly with a friend
and he's getting out of flying. I've got another airplane so this one will be
surplus. I haven't listed it anywhere yet. Here's a video that shows a bit of
what it looks like.
>
> https://youtu.be/toCBMcCzrzg
>
> I planned to do a detailed video of the bird when I listed it. It's a 1985 Firestar
with a Rotax 377 and a 64" Warp Drive Prop. The fabric is original but
it's well done. I punch tested it just last week and it passed. It has a BRS that
still has a couple of years before it expires and a strobe. The panel is basic
steam guages. It's got mechanical, heel-operated disc brakes and the original
"wheel barrow" wheels. I've owned it for about 5 years. I replaced the spring
washers in the gearbox when I bought it. I put a Ducati electronic ignition
on it and replaced the pistons and cylinders with good used ones. I've got
a lot of spares for it, including a dual carb set up that I never installed and
a spare set of pistons and cylinders. It flies regularly and runs very smoothly.
It's not the prettiest bird around but it's airworthy and flies nicely. I'll
attach a few photos from Barnstormers when I bought the plane back in 2012,
but it looks pretty much the same. I replaced the an!
> alog tach with a Tiny Tach.
>
> I'd like to get $3,500 for it. It's located in Corning, California.
>
> Martin B.
>
> --------
> There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns
of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
>
> Mark Twain
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475838#475838
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/1barnstormers_3_115.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/1barnstormers_6_118.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/1barnstormers_4_137.jpg
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | SugarDad <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
Martin
Guessing that plane is close to UL in weight? Wish it were not so
far away. Herb
On 11/28/2017 09:24 PM, wakataka wrote:
>
> Herb -
> Looks like I'm going to be selling my Firestar. I own it jointly with a friend
and he's getting out of flying. I've got another airplane so this one will be
surplus. I haven't listed it anywhere yet. Here's a video that shows a bit of
what it looks like.
>
> https://youtu.be/toCBMcCzrzg
>
> I planned to do a detailed video of the bird when I listed it. It's a 1985 Firestar
with a Rotax 377 and a 64" Warp Drive Prop. The fabric is original but
it's well done. I punch tested it just last week and it passed. It has a BRS that
still has a couple of years before it expires and a strobe. The panel is basic
steam guages. It's got mechanical, heel-operated disc brakes and the original
"wheel barrow" wheels. I've owned it for about 5 years. I replaced the spring
washers in the gearbox when I bought it. I put a Ducati electronic ignition
on it and replaced the pistons and cylinders with good used ones. I've got
a lot of spares for it, including a dual carb set up that I never installed and
a spare set of pistons and cylinders. It flies regularly and runs very smoothly.
It's not the prettiest bird around but it's airworthy and flies nicely. I'll
attach a few photos from Barnstormers when I bought the plane back in 2012,
but it looks pretty much the same. I replaced the an!
> alog tach with a Tiny Tach.
>
> I'd like to get $3,500 for it. It's located in Corning, California.
>
> Martin B.
>
> --------
> There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns
of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
>
> Mark Twain
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475838#475838
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/1barnstormers_3_115.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/1barnstormers_6_118.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/1barnstormers_4_137.jpg
>
>
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| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar |
Herb, I'm guessing that one of the shipping "bid" agencies (U-ship, etc.) will
transport the airplane for under $1000. The key to the whole thing will be that
Martin would have to be willing to pack and load the airplane into the truck
or trailer, rather than having a non-aviation driver do it.
A little extra effort will pay off in money and a damage free trip. Hang the wings
from the roof of the trailer or truck box so they are above the rest of the
stuff in there, and so nothing is sliding or vibrating against them while any
other people's stuff is loaded and unloaded. Take the prop off and put it in
a separate box. Put a "dummy" set of wheels on much shorter "dummy" dowel or
tube gear legs so the cubic volume of the fuselage gets smaller.
All I'm saying is that IF you want Martin's light weight and great flying Firestar...
there are ways to reduce the cost of getting it there.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 11/29/17, SugarDad wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, November 29, 2017, 5:52 AM
Martin
Guessing that plane is close to
UL in weight? Wish it were not so
far away. Herb
On 11/28/2017 09:24 PM, wakataka
wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted
by: "wakataka"
>
> Herb -
> Looks like I'm going to be selling
my Firestar. I own it jointly with a friend and he's getting
out of flying. I've got another airplane so this one will be
surplus. I haven't listed it anywhere yet. Here's a video
that shows a bit of what it looks like.
>
> https://youtu.be/toCBMcCzrzg
>
> I planned to do a detailed video
of the bird when I listed it. It's a 1985 Firestar with a
Rotax 377 and a 64" Warp Drive Prop. The fabric is original
but it's well done. I punch tested it just last week and it
passed. It has a BRS that still has a couple of years before
it expires and a strobe. The panel is basic steam guages.
It's got mechanical, heel-operated disc brakes and the
original "wheel barrow" wheels. I've owned it for about 5
years. I replaced the spring washers in the gearbox when I
bought it. I put a Ducati electronic ignition on it and
replaced the pistons and cylinders with good used ones. I've
got a lot of spares for it, including a dual carb set up
that I never installed and a spare set of pistons and
cylinders. It flies regularly and runs very smoothly. It's
not the prettiest bird around but it's airworthy and flies
nicely. I'll attach a few photos from Barnstormers when I
bought the plane back in 2012, but it looks pretty much the
same. I replaced the !
an!
> alog tach with a Tiny
Tach.
>
> I'd like to get $3,500 for it.
It's located in Corning, California.
>
> Martin B.
>
> --------
> There is something fascinating
about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture
out of such a trifling investment of fact.
>
> Mark Twain
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475838#475838
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/1barnstormers_3_115.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/1barnstormers_6_118.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/1barnstormers_4_137.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar |
| From: | SugarDad <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
Hey Bill
I tried them in the past but did not find anyone willing to transport
for less than a dollar a mile... 2300 miles or so...Herb
On 11/29/2017 12:28 PM, Bill Berle wrote:
>
> Herb, I'm guessing that one of the shipping "bid" agencies (U-ship, etc.) will
transport the airplane for under $1000. The key to the whole thing will be that
Martin would have to be willing to pack and load the airplane into the truck
or trailer, rather than having a non-aviation driver do it.
>
> A little extra effort will pay off in money and a damage free trip. Hang the
wings from the roof of the trailer or truck box so they are above the rest of
the stuff in there, and so nothing is sliding or vibrating against them while
any other people's stuff is loaded and unloaded. Take the prop off and put it
in a separate box. Put a "dummy" set of wheels on much shorter "dummy" dowel
or tube gear legs so the cubic volume of the fuselage gets smaller.
>
> All I'm saying is that IF you want Martin's light weight and great flying Firestar...
there are ways to reduce the cost of getting it there.
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 11/29/17, SugarDad wrote:
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 29, 2017, 5:52 AM
>
>
>
> Martin
>
> Guessing that plane is close to
> UL in weight? Wish it were not so
> far away. Herb
>
>
> On 11/28/2017 09:24 PM, wakataka
> wrote:
> > --> Kolb-List message posted
> by: "wakataka"
> >
> > Herb -
> > Looks like I'm going to be selling
> my Firestar. I own it jointly with a friend and he's getting
> out of flying. I've got another airplane so this one will be
> surplus. I haven't listed it anywhere yet. Here's a video
> that shows a bit of what it looks like.
> >
> > https://youtu.be/toCBMcCzrzg
> >
> > I planned to do a detailed video
> of the bird when I listed it. It's a 1985 Firestar with a
> Rotax 377 and a 64" Warp Drive Prop. The fabric is original
> but it's well done. I punch tested it just last week and it
> passed. It has a BRS that still has a couple of years before
> it expires and a strobe. The panel is basic steam guages.
> It's got mechanical, heel-operated disc brakes and the
> original "wheel barrow" wheels. I've owned it for about 5
> years. I replaced the spring washers in the gearbox when I
> bought it. I put a Ducati electronic ignition on it and
> replaced the pistons and cylinders with good used ones. I've
> got a lot of spares for it, including a dual carb set up
> that I never installed and a spare set of pistons and
> cylinders. It flies regularly and runs very smoothly. It's
> not the prettiest bird around but it's airworthy and flies
> nicely. I'll attach a few photos from Barnstormers when I
> bought the plane back in 2012, but it looks pretty much the
> same. I replaced the !
> an!
> > alog tach with a Tiny
> Tach.
> >
> > I'd like to get $3,500 for it.
> It's located in Corning, California.
> >
> > Martin B.
> >
> > --------
> > There is something fascinating
> about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture
> out of such a trifling investment of fact.
> >
> > Mark Twain
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475838#475838
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1barnstormers_3_115.jpg
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1barnstormers_6_118.jpg
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1barnstormers_4_137.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
It's November 30th and that always means a couple of things. Its my birthday again
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| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | This is the most amazing thing I've ever seen! |
Go to youtube.com and search for Red Bull soul flyers.
This is a 2+ min. video of 2 wingsuit flyers BASE jumping into a plane in m
id-air. Looks like it was shot in the Alps - huge mountains.
Arty
=C2-www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm "Life's a daring adven
ture or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arr
ive safely at death."
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| Subject: | Re: engine choice for Kolbra |
| From: | "kenw" <worthken67(at)gmail.com> |
What did you decide on your engine selection?
ken - markIII classic
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kenw
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| Subject: | Re: engine choice for Kolbra |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Given any thought to Rotax Rick? Not that I have any direct experience, but the
claims sound pretty good...
https://rotaxrick.wordpress.com/
And as a long time user of non-ethanol fuel, I disagree with a lot of what he says...
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and Grace really is amazing.
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| From: | Robert Lobdell <robpen5557(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: engine choice for Kolbra |
Im. New. To the matronics so is there a website or is everything just direct contact
through email. Im looking for info about the constant use of the folding
wings? I posted a query but Im really not sure how to see my post or any responses?
Robert Lobdell
Flying is the second greatest thrill known to man. Landing is the first!
> On Dec 3, 2017, at 10:50 AM, kenw wrote:
>
>
> What did you decide on your engine selection?
> ken - markIII classic
>
> --------
> kenw
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476070#476070
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: engine choice for Kolbra |
Welcome to the list on behalf of all of us. I didn't see your post, so I
would guess that it didn't arrive where it was supposed to go.
I folded my Firestar for at least 10 years and stored it in a trailer that
I built. Quite frankly other than self inflicted wounds by yourself there
is no reason that folding would ever cause any damage. Of course the more
people you have helping you will up the odds quite a bit.
If you are in the building process make sure that it slips into the tube
that holds it to the boom tube easily the first time every time. I flared
the end of the tube that the male part slips into. I also drilled the hole
that you slip the pin into to hold it so that it faced the back of the
plane. I secured the pins to a three foot dowel rod so that I could pin it
without laying down and crawling under the wing.
Larry
On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 5:03 PM, Robert Lobdell wrote
:
>
> I=99=99m. New. To the matronics so is there a website or is
everything just
> direct contact through email. I=99m looking for info about the con
stant use
> of the folding wings? I posted a query but I=99m really not sure h
ow to see
> my post or any responses?
>
> Robert Lobdell
>
>
> Flying is the second greatest thrill known to man. Landing is the first!
>
> > On Dec 3, 2017, at 10:50 AM, kenw wrote:
> >
> >
> > What did you decide on your engine selection?
> > ken - markIII classic
> >
> > --------
> > kenw
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476070#476070
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| From: | Robert Lobdell <robpen5557(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: engine choice for Kolbra |
Thanks Larry, I haven=99t done anything I=99m in the research ph
ase. I don=99t expect to make any purchases for at least a year. I f
igure I need about 20k to allow for any purchases and extras, like trailers.
I would have to have someone build a trailer for me. But, from what I hav
e seen there are plenty of examples of great trailers. I would really like t
o first figure out how this website works, for posting etc. and then find s
omeone nearby to see their plane and gets some up close exposure to the KOLB
. I live in Waskom, TX and work in Shreveport, LA. I currently fly out of D
owntown Airport KDTN a group of EAA members have a club plane an Aeronca Chi
ef. Which we (7) pilots fly the plane. So, If there was a place not to far
I could fly over and check things out.
Thanks Again for your help Larry
Robert Lobdell
Flying is the second greatest thrill known to man. Landing is the first!
> On Dec 3, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote
:
>
> Welcome to the list on behalf of all of us. I didn't see your post, so I w
ould guess that it didn't arrive where it was supposed to go.
>
> I folded my Firestar for at least 10 years and stored it in a trailer that
I built. Quite frankly other than self inflicted wounds by yourself there i
s no reason that folding would ever cause any damage. Of course the more peo
ple you have helping you will up the odds quite a bit.
>
> If you are in the building process make sure that it slips into the tube t
hat holds it to the boom tube easily the first time every time. I flared the
end of the tube that the male part slips into. I also drilled the hole that
you slip the pin into to hold it so that it faced the back of the plane. I s
ecured the pins to a three foot dowel rod so that I could pin it without lay
ing down and crawling under the wing.
>
> Larry
>
>> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 5:03 PM, Robert Lobdell wro
te:
>>
>> I=99=99m. New. To the matronics so is there a website or is e
verything just direct contact through email. I=99m looking for info a
bout the constant use of the folding wings? I posted a query but I=99
m really not sure how to see my post or any responses?
>>
>> Robert Lobdell
>>
>>
>> Flying is the second greatest thrill known to man. Landing is the first!
>>
>> > On Dec 3, 2017, at 10:50 AM, kenw wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > What did you decide on your engine selection?
>> > ken - markIII classic
>> >
>> > --------
>> > kenw
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| Subject: | Re: engine choice for Kolbra |
| From: | SugarDad <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
Heck of a deal in Elkins W.Va. Classic MkIII and 912 S engine....180
or so hours total... 304 642 0070 Name is Mike... Herb
On 12/03/2017 06:35 PM, Robert Lobdell wrote:
> Thanks Larry, I havent done anything Im in the research phase. I
> dont expect to make any purchases for at least a year. I figure I
> need about 20k to allow for any purchases and extras, like trailers.
> I would have to have someone build a trailer for me. But, from what
> I have seen there are plenty of examples of great trailers. I would
> really like to first figure out how this website works, for posting
> etc. and then find someone nearby to see their plane and gets some up
> close exposure to the KOLB. I live in Waskom, TX and work in
> Shreveport, LA. I currently fly out of Downtown Airport KDTN a group
> of EAA members have a club plane an Aeronca Chief. Which we (7)
> pilots fly the plane. So, If there was a place not to far I could fly
> over and check things out.
> Thanks Again for your help Larry
>
> Robert Lobdell
>
> Flying is the second greatest thrill known to man. Landing is the first!
>
> On Dec 3, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Larry Cottrell > wrote:
>
>> Welcome to the list on behalf of all of us. I didn't see your post,
>> so I would guess that it didn't arrive where it was supposed to go.
>>
>> I folded my Firestar for at least 10 years and stored it in a trailer
>> that I built. Quite frankly other than self inflicted wounds by
>> yourself there is no reason that folding would ever cause any damage.
>> Of course the more people you have helping you will up the odds quite
>> a bit.
>>
>> If you are in the building process make sure that it slips into the
>> tube that holds it to the boom tube easily the first time every time.
>> I flared the end of the tube that the male part slips into. I also
>> drilled the hole that you slip the pin into to hold it so that it
>> faced the back of the plane. I secured the pins to a three foot dowel
>> rod so that I could pin it without laying down and crawling under the
>> wing.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 5:03 PM, Robert Lobdell > > wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> Im. New. To the matronics so is there a website or is
>> everything just direct contact through email. Im looking for
>> info about the constant use of the folding wings? I posted a
>> query but Im really not sure how to see my post or any responses?
>>
>> Robert Lobdell
>>
>>
>> Flying is the second greatest thrill known to man. Landing is the
>> first!
>>
>> > On Dec 3, 2017, at 10:50 AM, kenw > > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > What did you decide on your engine selection?
>> > ken - markIII classic
>> >
>> > --------
>> > kenw
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476070#476070
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| From: | Robert Lobdell <robpen5557(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Folding wing question |
Hello everyone this is my first time to send a question. I recently discovered
Kolb flyers. . . Mainly because I was searching for a plane with folding wings.
Several planes have folding wings but all of Kolb aircraft have them. So,
I wondered if folding them say two or three times a week for many months would
wear them out. If so, how much trouble is it to replace worn parts. Or do
the wings have to be completely redone after so many folds. I have seen several
videos of them folding and unfolding. I think Kolb flyers have perfected the
process and I have seen several people do it all alone. Which is another reason
I like Kolb. There may be times I would need to do this alone. How easy
is it for one person who is folding or unfolding a wing to twist it and damage
it. While watching the process It seems like a very delicate stage folding
and unfolding. Wind could be a factor? Are the wings (fittings that are moved
during folding) different on the Firefly, Firestar, or Mark III, or are these
areas of the wing exactly the same? Some might think the wing of the Mark
III is better, or heavy duty, or different in some way. I am totally unfamiliar
with the Kolb except seeing it in Photos and videos. So, far I havent found
anything about it I didnt like.
Thanks for the invite and all the help.
Robert
Waskom, Texas
Flying An Aeronca Chief The Spirit of Haughton out of Shreveport Downtown Airport
(KDTN).
PS. Never seen a Kolb except in photos. Would like to see one up close.
Flying is the second greatest thrill known to man. Landing is the first!
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| Subject: | Re: Folding wing question |
| From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
I have owned two Kolb aircraft, a Firestar and a Kolbra. I flew the Firestar for
30 years and would still be flying it had I not sold it. I stored it in my garage
during this time and trailered it to a local private field. I folded and
unfolded the wings and tail everytime I flew. The folding u-joints are steel
and will not wear. The amount of wear is negligible, however, I kept the joints
greased. The u-joint bolt can be replaced and I replaced it once and didn't
really have to. I think it had about 350 wing folds over that time. One thing
to be careful of is the wings are extremely vulnerable near the ground when trailering
because the leading edge is close to the ground. I always set up the
Firestar alone without any help. Once the wings were unhitched, I would get under
and lift the wing on my back to pin the lift strut in. It can be done as I
did it all those years. It takes about 20 minutes to set up, but many times I
would get interrupted by someone asking questions, so it would take onger. The
Kolbra wings can fold, but I store it in a hangar and never fold them. I have
taken the wings off when I replaced the engine.
It's a little bit of work setting up the Firestar, but that is the price I paid
for free hangar rent at home. One advantage of having your plane at home is that
I could work on it easier with all the tools there. I also liked having it
close by because it was my baby and nobody is going to steal it or anything off
of it from my garage. :)
--------
Ralph B
Kolb Kolbra 912uls
N20386
550 hours
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476087#476087
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| Subject: | Re: engine choice for Kolbra |
| From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
I have owned both the 912 80hp and the 912 100hp on my Kolbra. The 80hp was stolen
along with my full panel and everything else. Everyone here knows that story
and I won't talk about it.
The 80 hp 912 worked fine with a passenger, but once the 100 hp was installed,
I found that is the engine for the Kolbra! It climbs better, takes off much quicker,
and cruises faster (90-100mph).
I found my 912 100hp on Barnstormers for $10,000. I know it's a lot to pay for
an engine, but I actually came out of retirement and went back to work for 6 months
just to buy an engine. Was it worth it?
YES!
You can see the performance in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCSI_ruRmac&t=9s
--------
Ralph B
Kolb Kolbra 912uls
N20386
550 hours
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476088#476088
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| From: | Robert Lobdell <robpen5557(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Folding wing question |
WOW,,, THAT IS GREAT... I would ask is the Kolbra an older model? Didnt see anything
about it on the current site for Kolb. Thanks for the input. So, Firestar
is like the mid level plane? Did you make a custom trailer or just use
a regular car hauler type thing?
Robert Lobdell
Waskom, Texas
Flying is the second greatest thrill known to man. Landing is the first!
> On Dec 4, 2017, at 9:14 AM, Ralph B wrote:
>
>
> I have owned two Kolb aircraft, a Firestar and a Kolbra. I flew the Firestar
for 30 years and would still be flying it had I not sold it. I stored it in my
garage during this time and trailered it to a local private field. I folded and
unfolded the wings and tail everytime I flew. The folding u-joints are steel
and will not wear. The amount of wear is negligible, however, I kept the joints
greased. The u-joint bolt can be replaced and I replaced it once and didn't
really have to. I think it had about 350 wing folds over that time. One thing
to be careful of is the wings are extremely vulnerable near the ground when
trailering because the leading edge is close to the ground. I always set up the
Firestar alone without any help. Once the wings were unhitched, I would get
under and lift the wing on my back to pin the lift strut in. It can be done as
I did it all those years. It takes about 20 minutes to set up, but many times
I would get interrupted by someone asking questions, !
> so it would take onger. The Kolbra wings can fold, but I store it in a hangar
and never fold them. I have taken the wings off when I replaced the engine.
>
> It's a little bit of work setting up the Firestar, but that is the price I paid
for free hangar rent at home. One advantage of having your plane at home is
that I could work on it easier with all the tools there. I also liked having
it close by because it was my baby and nobody is going to steal it or anything
off of it from my garage. :)
>
> --------
> Ralph B
>
> Kolb Kolbra 912uls
> N20386
> 550 hours
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476087#476087
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Folding wing question |
| From: | Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com> |
a great site to answer your folding and trailering questions is( oh2fly) web pages
> On Dec 4, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Ralph B wrote:
>
>
> I have owned two Kolb aircraft, a Firestar and a Kolbra. I flew the Firestar
for 30 years and would still be flying it had I not sold it. I stored it in my
garage during this time and trailered it to a local private field. I folded and
unfolded the wings and tail everytime I flew. The folding u-joints are steel
and will not wear. The amount of wear is negligible, however, I kept the joints
greased. The u-joint bolt can be replaced and I replaced it once and didn't
really have to. I think it had about 350 wing folds over that time. One thing
to be careful of is the wings are extremely vulnerable near the ground when
trailering because the leading edge is close to the ground. I always set up the
Firestar alone without any help. Once the wings were unhitched, I would get
under and lift the wing on my back to pin the lift strut in. It can be done as
I did it all those years. It takes about 20 minutes to set up, but many times
I would get interrupted by someone asking questions, !
> so it would take onger. The Kolbra wings can fold, but I store it in a hangar
and never fold them. I have taken the wings off when I replaced the engine.
>
> It's a little bit of work setting up the Firestar, but that is the price I paid
for free hangar rent at home. One advantage of having your plane at home is
that I could work on it easier with all the tools there. I also liked having
it close by because it was my baby and nobody is going to steal it or anything
off of it from my garage. :)
>
> --------
> Ralph B
>
> Kolb Kolbra 912uls
> N20386
> 550 hours
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476087#476087
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Folding wing question |
Kolns are like gliders, in the fact that they are very lightweight but very long
and narrow (when folded). So you can use a single axle, light weight trailer...
but the trailer has to be something like 22 or 24 feet long. And it has to
be strong (stiff) enough to not flex much.
Ultralight and LSA style airplanes are also NOT built for wind and vibration loads.
You might get away with towing the Kolb on its own wheels for a mile or two
at slow speed, from your house to a very nearby airport... but longer road
trips will beat the heck out of a lot of prts that were designed for flight loads
in the air, not washboard woads and potholes. And those abused parts are what
you are betting your life on when you fly. It's not a "small concern".
So in my opinion trailering is just fine, and it will save a boat load of money,
but you MUST put in a significant amount of thought, care, and concern for the
parts of the airplane.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 12/4/17, Robert Lobdell wrote:
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Folding wing question
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, December 4, 2017, 1:23 PM
Lobdell
WOW,,, THAT IS GREAT... I would
ask is the Kolbra an older model? Didnt see
anything about it on the current site for Kolb.
Thanks for the input. So, Firestar is like the mid
level plane? Did you make a custom trailer or just
use a regular car hauler type thing?
Robert Lobdell
Waskom, Texas
Flying is the second greatest thrill
known to man. Landing is the first!
> On Dec 4, 2017, at 9:14 AM, Ralph
B
wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted
by: "Ralph B"
>
> I have owned two Kolb aircraft, a
Firestar and a Kolbra. I flew the Firestar for 30 years and
would still be flying it had I not sold it. I stored it in
my garage during this time and trailered it to a local
private field. I folded and unfolded the wings and tail
everytime I flew. The folding u-joints are steel and will
not wear. The amount of wear is negligible, however, I kept
the joints greased. The u-joint bolt can be replaced and I
replaced it once and didn't really have to. I think it had
about 350 wing folds over that time. One thing to be careful
of is the wings are extremely vulnerable near the ground
when trailering because the leading edge is close to the
ground. I always set up the Firestar alone without any help.
Once the wings were unhitched, I would get under and lift
the wing on my back to pin the lift strut in. It can be done
as I did it all those years. It takes about 20 minutes to
set up, but many times I would get interrupted by someone
asking questions!
, !
> so it would take onger. The Kolbra
wings can fold, but I store it in a hangar and never fold
them. I have taken the wings off when I replaced the
engine.
>
> It's a little bit of work setting
up the Firestar, but that is the price I paid for free
hangar rent at home. One advantage of having your plane at
home is that I could work on it easier with all the tools
there. I also liked having it close by because it was my
baby and nobody is going to steal it or anything off of it
from my garage. :)
>
> --------
> Ralph B
>
> Kolb Kolbra 912uls
> N20386
> 550 hours
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476087#476087
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Folding wing question |
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
robpen5557(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Hello everyone this is my first time to send a question. I recently discovered
Kolb flyers. . . Mainly because I was searching for a plane with folding wings.
>
> * * SNIP * *
>
Robert, if you haven't seen it, a section of my web site deals with "Trailering
a Kolb".
You can view it at:
http://oh2fly.net/Main_trailer_kolb.htm
Or if you want more "stuff", mostly about Kolb aircraft, come in through the main
page at:
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FS II R503 N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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| From: | John Fitt <jpfitt(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Folding wing question |
I'm Also am planning to trailer a fire star
in an enclosed trailer. So, if traveling long distances will beat the plane up,
how would you recommend supporting the plane if not on it's own wheels? Cushioned
pads under the wheels...?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 4, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Bill Berle wrote:
>
>
> Kolns are like gliders, in the fact that they are very lightweight but very long
and narrow (when folded). So you can use a single axle, light weight trailer...
but the trailer has to be something like 22 or 24 feet long. And it has
to be strong (stiff) enough to not flex much.
>
> Ultralight and LSA style airplanes are also NOT built for wind and vibration
loads. You might get away with towing the Kolb on its own wheels for a mile or
two at slow speed, from your house to a very nearby airport... but longer road
trips will beat the heck out of a lot of prts that were designed for flight
loads in the air, not washboard woads and potholes. And those abused parts are
what you are betting your life on when you fly. It's not a "small concern".
>
> So in my opinion trailering is just fine, and it will save a boat load of money,
but you MUST put in a significant amount of thought, care, and concern for
the parts of the airplane.
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 12/4/17, Robert Lobdell wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Folding wing question
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Monday, December 4, 2017, 1:23 PM
>
> Lobdell
>
> WOW,,, THAT IS GREAT... I would
> ask is the Kolbra an older model? Didnt see
> anything about it on the current site for Kolb.
> Thanks for the input. So, Firestar is like the mid
> level plane? Did you make a custom trailer or just
> use a regular car hauler type thing?
>
> Robert Lobdell
> Waskom, Texas
>
> Flying is the second greatest thrill
> known to man. Landing is the first!
>
>> On Dec 4, 2017, at 9:14 AM, Ralph
> B
> wrote:
>>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted
> by: "Ralph B"
>>
>> I have owned two Kolb aircraft, a
> Firestar and a Kolbra. I flew the Firestar for 30 years and
> would still be flying it had I not sold it. I stored it in
> my garage during this time and trailered it to a local
> private field. I folded and unfolded the wings and tail
> everytime I flew. The folding u-joints are steel and will
> not wear. The amount of wear is negligible, however, I kept
> the joints greased. The u-joint bolt can be replaced and I
> replaced it once and didn't really have to. I think it had
> about 350 wing folds over that time. One thing to be careful
> of is the wings are extremely vulnerable near the ground
> when trailering because the leading edge is close to the
> ground. I always set up the Firestar alone without any help.
> Once the wings were unhitched, I would get under and lift
> the wing on my back to pin the lift strut in. It can be done
> as I did it all those years. It takes about 20 minutes to
> set up, but many times I would get interrupted by someone
> asking questions!
> , !
>> so it would take onger. The Kolbra
> wings can fold, but I store it in a hangar and never fold
> them. I have taken the wings off when I replaced the
> engine.
>>
>> It's a little bit of work setting
> up the Firestar, but that is the price I paid for free
> hangar rent at home. One advantage of having your plane at
> home is that I could work on it easier with all the tools
> there. I also liked having it close by because it was my
> baby and nobody is going to steal it or anything off of it
> from my garage. :)
>>
>> --------
>> Ralph B
>>
>> Kolb Kolbra 912uls
>> N20386
>> 550 hours
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476087#476087
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Folding wing question |
Kolbs do just fine trailering on main gear.
It is recommended to fabricate a pedestal to carry the tail boom and take the load
off the tail wheel and tail wheel strut.
Long distance trailering I removed the wings and secured in cradles on each wall
of the trailer.
An enclosed trailer is best for long distances and highway speeds.
Open trailer for local traveling to and from airstrip.
It is hard on the aircraft to tow at highway speeds on an open trailer.
I've towed my Ultrastar, Firestar, and MKIII on the main gear with the tail wheel
assembly attached to my tractor. It is 3 miles from my home to my grass strip.
I did this with wings removed. Wouldn't want to do that every time I flew.
Always scared to death some idiot was going to run over my airplane on the
highway. Always a nail biter.
Homer Kolb designed folding wings on the Ultrastar and each model thereafter.
It was always a big selling point.
I don't fold unless I have to bring the airplane home to work on it. Haven't had
to do that in many years. Instead of clevis pins I use AN bolts and nuts to
attach wings and flying surfaces. All fittings have welded bushings. No slop
in attachments.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fitt
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Folding wing question
I'm Also am planning to trailer a fire star
in an enclosed trailer. So, if traveling long distances will beat the plane up,
how would you recommend supporting the plane if not on it's own wheels? Cushioned
pads under the wheels...?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 4, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Bill Berle wrote:
>
> -->
>
> Kolns are like gliders, in the fact that they are very lightweight but very long
and narrow (when folded). So you can use a single axle, light weight trailer...
but the trailer has to be something like 22 or 24 feet long. And it has
to be strong (stiff) enough to not flex much.
>
> Ultralight and LSA style airplanes are also NOT built for wind and vibration
loads. You might get away with towing the Kolb on its own wheels for a mile or
two at slow speed, from your house to a very nearby airport... but longer road
trips will beat the heck out of a lot of prts that were designed for flight
loads in the air, not washboard woads and potholes. And those abused parts are
what you are betting your life on when you fly. It's not a "small concern".
>
> So in my opinion trailering is just fine, and it will save a boat load of money,
but you MUST put in a significant amount of thought, care, and concern for
the parts of the airplane.
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 12/4/17, Robert Lobdell wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Folding wing question
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Monday, December 4, 2017, 1:23 PM
>
> Lobdell
>
> WOW,,, THAT IS GREAT... I would
> ask is the Kolbra an older model? Didnt see anything about it on the
> current site for Kolb.
> Thanks for the input. So, Firestar is like the mid
> level plane? Did you make a custom trailer or just
> use a regular car hauler type thing?
>
> Robert Lobdell
> Waskom, Texas
>
> Flying is the second greatest thrill
> known to man. Landing is the first!
>
>> On Dec 4, 2017, at 9:14 AM, Ralph
> B
> wrote:
>>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted
> by: "Ralph B"
>>
>> I have owned two Kolb aircraft, a
> Firestar and a Kolbra. I flew the Firestar for 30 years and would
> still be flying it had I not sold it. I stored it in my garage during
> this time and trailered it to a local private field. I folded and
> unfolded the wings and tail everytime I flew. The folding u-joints are
> steel and will not wear. The amount of wear is negligible, however, I
> kept the joints greased. The u-joint bolt can be replaced and I
> replaced it once and didn't really have to. I think it had about 350
> wing folds over that time. One thing to be careful of is the wings are
> extremely vulnerable near the ground when trailering because the
> leading edge is close to the ground. I always set up the Firestar
> alone without any help.
> Once the wings were unhitched, I would get under and lift the wing on
> my back to pin the lift strut in. It can be done as I did it all those
> years. It takes about 20 minutes to set up, but many times I would get
> interrupted by someone asking questions!
> , !
>> so it would take onger. The Kolbra
> wings can fold, but I store it in a hangar and never fold them. I have
> taken the wings off when I replaced the engine.
>>
>> It's a little bit of work setting
> up the Firestar, but that is the price I paid for free hangar rent at
> home. One advantage of having your plane at home is that I could work
> on it easier with all the tools there. I also liked having it close by
> because it was my baby and nobody is going to steal it or anything off
> of it from my garage. :)
>>
>> --------
>> Ralph B
>>
>> Kolb Kolbra 912uls
>> N20386
>> 550 hours
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476087#476087
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Folding wing question |
| From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
robpen5557(at)gmail.com wrote:
> WOW,,, THAT IS GREAT... I would ask is the Kolbra an older model? Didnt see
anything about it on the current site for Kolb. Thanks for the input. So,
Firestar is like the mid level plane? Did you make a custom trailer or just
use a regular car hauler type thing?
>
> Robert Lobdell
> Waskom, Texas
>
> Flying is the second greatest thrill known to man. Landing is the first!
>
>
> > On Dec 4, 2017, at 9:14 AM, Ralph B wrote:
> >
> > I have owned two Kolb aircraft, a Firestar and a Kolbra. I flew the Firestar
for 30 years and would still be flying it had I not sold it. I stored it in
my garage during this time and trailered it to a local private field. I folded
and unfolded the wings and tail everytime I flew. The folding u-joints are steel
and will not wear. The amount of wear is negligible, however, I kept the
joints greased. The u-joint bolt can be replaced and I replaced it once and didn't
really have to. I think it had about 350 wing folds over that time. One thing
to be careful of is the wings are extremely vulnerable near the ground when
trailering because the leading edge is close to the ground. I always set up
the Firestar alone without any help. Once the wings were unhitched, I would get
under and lift the wing on my back to pin the lift strut in. It can be done
as I did it all those years. It takes about 20 minutes to set up, but many times
I would get interrupted by someone asking questions, !
> > so it would take onger. The Kolbra wings can fold, but I store it in a hangar
and never fold them. I have taken the wings off when I replaced the engine.
> >
> > It's a little bit of work setting up the Firestar, but that is the price I
paid for free hangar rent at home. One advantage of having your plane at home
is that I could work on it easier with all the tools there. I also liked having
it close by because it was my baby and nobody is going to steal it or anything
off of it from my garage. :)
> >
> > --------
> > Ralph B
> >
> > Kolb Kolbra 912uls
> > N20386
> > 550 hours
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476087#476087
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
The Kolbra is a larger tandem model of the Firestar that accepts larger engines
similar to the Rotax 912's. I bought mine ready to fly from a friend.
The Firestar trailer is one of these trailers that can be bought at Home Depot
covered with a sheet of plywood. It measures 8'x4' and can be towed with a car.
It will tow at highway speeds, but I only had to trailer it short distances.
I wouldn't recommend towing on this type of trailer long distances.
--------
Ralph B
Kolb Kolbra 912uls
N20386
550 hours
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476097#476097
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/trailer__170.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Trailering a Kolb, |
| From: | David Kulp <undoctor(at)rcn.com> |
Hi John,
I trailered my Kolb from TN to PA without a scratch or rash.
Chock and tie down the main gear (with low tire pressure) securely. Build a cradle
high enough to fit beneath the boom tube to hold the tail wheel off the floor.
Pad it where the boom tube rests in the cradle. Remove the wings and you
can either suspend them from the roof with ropes and padding against each wall,
or what I did was wrap them in moving blankets and slide them beneath the plane,
cushioned on foam and secured with rope.
No rash, no damage and some very rough roads. Main gear will hold the weight but
you must lift the tail wheel so there's no weight on it.
Good luck.
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid
On Dec 4, 2017 5:01 PM, John Fitt wrote:
>
>
> I'm Also am planning to trailer a fire star
> in an enclosed trailer. So, if traveling long distances will beat the plane up,
how would you recommend supporting the plane if not on it's own wheels? Cushioned
pads under the wheels...?
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 4, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Bill Berle wrote:
> >
> >
> > Kolns are like gliders, in the fact that they are very lightweight but very
long and narrow (when folded). So you can use a single axle, light weight trailer...
but the trailer has to be something like 22 or 24 feet long. And it has
to be strong (stiff) enough to not flex much.
> >
> > Ultralight and LSA style airplanes are also NOT built for wind and vibration
loads. You might get away with towing the Kolb on its own wheels for a mile
or two at slow speed, from your house to a very nearby airport... but longer road
trips will beat the heck out of a lot of prts that were designed for flight
loads in the air, not washboard woads and potholes. And those abused parts are
what you are betting your life on when you fly. It's not a "small concern".
> >
> > So in my opinion trailering is just fine, and it will save a boat load of money,
but you MUST put in a significant amount of thought, care, and concern for
the parts of the airplane.
> >
> > Bill Berle
> > www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> > www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Mon, 12/4/17, Robert Lobdell wrote:
> >
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Folding wing question
> > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> > Date: Monday, December 4, 2017, 1:23 PM
> >
> > Lobdell
> >
> > WOW,,, THAT IS GREAT... I would
> > ask is the Kolbra an older model? Didnt see
> > anything about it on the current site for Kolb.
> > Thanks for the input. So, Firestar is like the mid
> > level plane? Did you make a custom trailer or just
> > use a regular car hauler type thing?
> >
> > Robert Lobdell
> > Waskom, Texas
> >
> > Flying is the second greatest thrill
> > known to man. Landing is the first!
> >
> >> On Dec 4, 2017, at 9:14 AM, Ralph
> > B
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> --> Kolb-List message posted
> > by: "Ralph B"
> >>
> >> I have owned two Kolb aircraft, a
> > Firestar and a Kolbra. I flew the Firestar for 30 years and
> > would still be flying it had I not sold it. I stored it in
> > my garage during this time and trailered it to a local
> > private field. I folded and unfolded the wings and tail
> > everytime I flew. The folding u-joints are steel and will
> > not wear. The amount of wear is negligible, however, I kept
> > the joints greased. The u-joint bolt can be replaced and I
> > replaced it once and didn't really have to. I think it had
> > about 350 wing folds over that time. One thing to be careful
> > of is the wings are extremely vulnerable near the ground
> > when trailering because the leading edge is close to the
> > ground. I always set up the Firestar alone without any help.
> > Once the wings were unhitched, I would get under and lift
> > the wing on my back to pin the lift strut in. It can be done
> > as I did it all those years. It takes about 20 minutes to
> > set up, but many times I would get interrupted by someone
> > asking questions!
> > , !
> >> so it would take onger. The Kolbra
> > wings can fold, but I store it in a hangar and never fold
> > them. I have taken the wings off when I replaced the
> > engine.
> >>
> >> It's a little bit of work setting
> > up the Firestar, but that is the price I paid for free
> > hangar rent at home. One advantage of having your plane at
> > home is that I could work on it easier with all the tools
> > there. I also liked having it close by because it was my
> > baby and nobody is going to steal it or anything off of it
> > from my garage. :)
> >>
> >> --------
> >> Ralph B
> >>
> >> Kolb Kolbra 912uls
> >> N20386
> >> 550 hours
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476087#476087
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Folding wing question |
On the other end spectrum. This is the trailer I use for my original Firesta
r. I=99ve use it to move my airplane from California to northern Michi
gan. The Firestar was stored folded in it for some 28 years. I hanger it now
. It=99s nice not to have to fold the tail & wings every time I want t
o go flying. I consider it a luxury. Kolbs are easily folded. Its just 20 mi
nutes that I=99d rather send flying.
I use a scissors jack type boom tube pedestal, leading edge pads and it ride
s on the main wheels.
I lock the wings together when folded to keep them from bumping into the fus
elage. I=99ve found that if your going nick up your paint, it will be d
uring loading and unloading. Plenty of tie down straps are also highly recom
mended. For really long trips I remove the wings and put them in wing racks o
n the sides of the trailer mounted inside. I hope these pictures aren=99
t to big for the site. Blue Skies, everyone.
George H.
1986 Firestar 377 Rotax
14GDH
gdhelton(at)gmail.com
> On Dec 4, 2017, at 6:17 PM, Ralph B wrote:
>
>
>
> robpen5557(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> WOW,,, THAT IS GREAT... I would ask is the Kolbra an older model? Didn
=99t see anything about it on the current site for Kolb. Thanks for the
input. So, Firestar is like the mid level plane? Did you make a custom t
railer or just use a regular car hauler type thing?
>>
>> Robert Lobdell
>> Waskom, Texas
>>
>> Flying is the second greatest thrill known to man. Landing is the first!
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 4, 2017, at 9:14 AM, Ralph B wrote:
>>>
>>> I have owned two Kolb aircraft, a Firestar and a Kolbra. I flew the Fire
star for 30 years and would still be flying it had I not sold it. I stored i
t in my garage during this time and trailered it to a local private field. I
folded and unfolded the wings and tail everytime I flew. The folding u-join
ts are steel and will not wear. The amount of wear is negligible, however, I
kept the joints greased. The u-joint bolt can be replaced and I replaced it
once and didn't really have to. I think it had about 350 wing folds over th
at time. One thing to be careful of is the wings are extremely vulnerable ne
ar the ground when trailering because the leading edge is close to the groun
d. I always set up the Firestar alone without any help. Once the wings were u
nhitched, I would get under and lift the wing on my back to pin the lift str
ut in. It can be done as I did it all those years. It takes about 20 minutes
to set up, but many times I would get interrupted by someone asking questi!
> ons, !
>>> so it would take onger. The Kolbra wings can fold, but I store it in a h
angar and never fold them. I have taken the wings off when I replaced the en
gine.
>>>
>>> It's a little bit of work setting up the Firestar, but that is the price
I paid for free hangar rent at home. One advantage of having your plane at h
ome is that I could work on it easier with all the tools there. I also liked
having it close by because it was my baby and nobody is going to steal it o
r anything off of it from my garage. :)
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Ralph B
>>>
>>> Kolb Kolbra 912uls
>>> N20386
>>> 550 hours
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476087#476087
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> The Kolbra is a larger tandem model of the Firestar that accepts larger en
gines similar to the Rotax 912's. I bought mine ready to fly from a friend.
>
> The Firestar trailer is one of these trailers that can be bought at Home D
epot covered with a sheet of plywood. It measures 8'x4' and can be towed wit
h a car. It will tow at highway speeds, but I only had to trailer it short d
istances. I wouldn't recommend towing on this type of trailer long distances
.
>
> --------
> Ralph B
>
> Kolb Kolbra 912uls
> N20386
> 550 hours
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476097#476097
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/trailer__170.jpg
>
>
>
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>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Folding wing question |
I stored and towed my firestar in a trailer for more than 10 years. I built
a trailer for it before I bought it. I had some faulty answers to the
length and made it 22 feet long. Should be 24 at least. If you look on
George's site you could see the lift that I made for the boom. When I was
going long distances I placed a tire inner tube under the wings, and blew
it up to the point that they supported the wings. The wings were pinned to
the boom tube at the time. I never had any problem at all. As for securing
the plane in the trailer, I had opposing connect points for the ratchet
straps, and pulled the plane bag up against a secure stop that kept the
plane wheels from rolling back. Of course the ailerons as well as the front
of the wing were secured so that they didn't slop around.
Larry
On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 3:01 PM, John Fitt wrote:
>
> I'm Also am planning to trailer a fire star
> in an enclosed trailer. So, if traveling long distances will beat the
> plane up, how would you recommend supporting the plane if not on it's own
> wheels? Cushioned pads under the wheels...?
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 4, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Bill Berle
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Kolns are like gliders, in the fact that they are very lightweight but
> very long and narrow (when folded). So you can use a single axle, light
> weight trailer... but the trailer has to be something like 22 or 24 feet
> long. And it has to be strong (stiff) enough to not flex much.
> >
> > Ultralight and LSA style airplanes are also NOT built for wind and
> vibration loads. You might get away with towing the Kolb on its own wheel
s
> for a mile or two at slow speed, from your house to a very nearby
> airport... but longer road trips will beat the heck out of a lot of prts
> that were designed for flight loads in the air, not washboard woads and
> potholes. And those abused parts are what you are betting your life on wh
en
> you fly. It's not a "small concern".
> >
> > So in my opinion trailering is just fine, and it will save a boat load
> of money, but you MUST put in a significant amount of thought, care, and
> concern for the parts of the airplane.
> >
> > Bill Berle
> > www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> > www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and
> for-profit entities
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Mon, 12/4/17, Robert Lobdell wrote:
> >
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Folding wing question
> > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> > Date: Monday, December 4, 2017, 1:23 PM
> >
> > Lobdell
> >
> > WOW,,, THAT IS GREAT... I would
> > ask is the Kolbra an older model? Didn=99t see
> > anything about it on the current site for Kolb.
> > Thanks for the input. So, Firestar is like the mid
> > level plane? Did you make a custom trailer or just
> > use a regular car hauler type thing?
> >
> > Robert Lobdell
> > Waskom, Texas
> >
> > Flying is the second greatest thrill
> > known to man. Landing is the first!
> >
> >> On Dec 4, 2017, at 9:14 AM, Ralph
> > B
> > wrote:
> >>
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> >> I have owned two Kolb aircraft, a
> > Firestar and a Kolbra. I flew the Firestar for 30 years and
> > would still be flying it had I not sold it. I stored it in
> > my garage during this time and trailered it to a local
> > private field. I folded and unfolded the wings and tail
> > everytime I flew. The folding u-joints are steel and will
> > not wear. The amount of wear is negligible, however, I kept
> > the joints greased. The u-joint bolt can be replaced and I
> > replaced it once and didn't really have to. I think it had
> > about 350 wing folds over that time. One thing to be careful
> > of is the wings are extremely vulnerable near the ground
> > when trailering because the leading edge is close to the
> > ground. I always set up the Firestar alone without any help.
> > Once the wings were unhitched, I would get under and lift
> > the wing on my back to pin the lift strut in. It can be done
> > as I did it all those years. It takes about 20 minutes to
> > set up, but many times I would get interrupted by someone
> > asking questions!
> > , !
> >> so it would take onger. The Kolbra
> > wings can fold, but I store it in a hangar and never fold
> > them. I have taken the wings off when I replaced the
> > engine.
> >>
> >> It's a little bit of work setting
> > up the Firestar, but that is the price I paid for free
> > hangar rent at home. One advantage of having your plane at
> > home is that I could work on it easier with all the tools
> > there. I also liked having it close by because it was my
> > baby and nobody is going to steal it or anything off of it
> > from my garage. :)
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Folding wing question |
Also check out Serenity. She is a Firefly, but the principles are the same.
http://harnerfarm.net/serenity/serenity.html
Some trailer/hangar info here. http://harnerfarm.net/serenity/hangar.htm
Sorry I haven't gotten around to building links on the other pages.
Stuart
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robpen5557(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Hello everyone this is my first time to send a question. I recently
discovered Kolb flyers. . . Mainly because I was searching for a plane with
folding wings.
>
> * * SNIP * *
>
Robert, if you haven't seen it, a section of my web site deals with
"Trailering a Kolb".
You can view it at:
http://oh2fly.net/Main_trailer_kolb.htm
Or if you want more "stuff", mostly about Kolb aircraft, come in through the
main page at:
http://oh2fly.net
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FS II R503 N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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| Subject: | Re: Folding wing question |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
Add an 'L' to the end of that 2nd web address to make it work.
On 12/4/2017 9:22 PM, Stuart Harner wrote:
>
> Also check out Serenity. She is a Firefly, but the principles are the same.
>
> http://harnerfarm.net/serenity/serenity.html
>
> Some trailer/hangar info here. http://harnerfarm.net/serenity/hangar.htm
> Sorry I haven't gotten around to building links on the other pages.
>
> Stuart
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> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 3:59 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
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> robpen5557(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> Hello everyone this is my first time to send a question. I recently
> discovered Kolb flyers. . . Mainly because I was searching for a plane with
> folding wings.
>> * * SNIP * *
>>
>
> Robert, if you haven't seen it, a section of my web site deals with
> "Trailering a Kolb".
>
> You can view it at:
>
> http://oh2fly.net/Main_trailer_kolb.htm
>
> Or if you want more "stuff", mostly about Kolb aircraft, come in through the
> main page at:
>
> http://oh2fly.net
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> http://www.oh2fly.net
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| From: | Robert Lobdell <robpen5557(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Quick build verses ready to fly |
Im not a builder but I might be able to do a quick build if it isnt to involved.
I know nothing about building wings and covering. So, was really thinking
of used or ready to fly new. I know new is really expensive. I figured even
a firefly would cost close to 30k Then I would have to have a trailer built.
So, can I save a significant amount of money on the Quick build over the ready
to fly? Or should I just buy a used Kolb and forget even trying to buy a new
machine?
Robert Lobdell
Waskom, Texas
Flying is the second greatest thrill known to man. Landing is the first!
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Quick build verses ready to fly |
Your cheapest avenue would be to buy a used Kolb. The firestar's will run
about 10K Mark III's16K up. Just be careful and hold out for a good one.
Larry
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 7:32 PM, Robert Lobdell wrote
:
>
> I=99m not a builder but I might be able to do a quick build if it i
snt to
> involved. I know nothing about building wings and covering. So, was
> really thinking of used or ready to fly new. I know new is really
> expensive. I figured even a firefly would cost close to 30k Then I would
> have to have a trailer built. So, can I save a significant amount of mon
ey
> on the Quick build over the ready to fly? Or should I just buy a used
> Kolb and forget even trying to buy a new machine?
> Robert Lobdell
> Waskom, Texas
>
> Flying is the second greatest thrill known to man. Landing is the first!
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| From: | SugarDad <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
MkIII in W.Va. just went up on Barnstormers....no engine....8k....Herb
On 12/05/2017 08:48 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> Your cheapest avenue would be to buy a used Kolb. The firestar's will
> run about 10K Mark III's16K up. Just be careful and hold out for a
> good one.
> Larry
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 7:32 PM, Robert Lobdell > wrote:
>
> >
>
> Im not a builder but I might be able to do a quick build if it
> isnt to involved. I know nothing about building wings and
> covering. So, was really thinking of used or ready to fly new. I
> know new is really expensive. I figured even a firefly would cost
> close to 30k Then I would have to have a trailer built. So, can I
> save a significant amount of money on the Quick build over the
> ready to fly? Or should I just buy a used Kolb and forget even
> trying to buy a new machine?
> Robert Lobdell
> Waskom, Texas
>
> Flying is the second greatest thrill known to man. Landing is the
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Quick build verses ready to fly |
Robert, as a word of encouragement. To my knowledge, none of us were =9C
builders=9D when we started our projects. One of the nice things about
building a Kolb is you don=99t need fortune to get started. I=99
ve built two and I paid for the kits as I needed them. Kolbs take some time t
o build, but it=99s a great experience. They don=99t require a l
ot of special tools. Just time and patience. When they=99re complete y
ou end up with a great little real airplane. I=99m still flying a Orig
inal Firestar (1986) that took me and a buddy almost 2 years to build. Stil
l flies great and I know what I=99m flying was well built.
George Helton
Firestar, 1986, 377 Rotax
14GDH
Mesick, Michigan
gdhelton(at)gmail.com
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> On Dec 5, 2017, at 9:32 PM, Robert Lobdell wrote:
>
>
> I=99m not a builder but I might be able to do a quick build if it is
nt to involved. I know nothing about building wings and covering. So, was r
eally thinking of used or ready to fly new. I know new is really expensive.
I figured even a firefly would cost close to 30k Then I would have to have
a trailer built. So, can I save a significant amount of money on the Quick
build over the ready to fly? Or should I just buy a used Kolb and forget e
ven trying to buy a new machine?
> Robert Lobdell
> Waskom, Texas
>
> Flying is the second greatest thrill known to man. Landing is the first!
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| From: | Robert Lobdell <robpen5557(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Quick build verses ready to fly |
Thanks. You George. That is good to. Know.
Robert
Flying is the second greatest thrill known to man. Landing is the first!
> On Dec 6, 2017, at 6:20 AM, George Helton wrote:
>
> Robert, as a word of encouragement. To my knowledge, none of us were builders
when we started our projects. One of the nice things about building a Kolb is
you dont need fortune to get started. Ive built two and I paid for the kits as
I needed them. Kolbs take some time to build, but its a great experience. They
dont require a lot of special tools. Just time and patience. When theyre complete
you end up with a great little real airplane. Im still flying a Original
Firestar (1986) that took me and a buddy almost 2 years to build. Still flies
great and I know what Im flying was well built.
>
>
> George Helton
> Firestar, 1986, 377 Rotax
> 14GDH
> Mesick, Michigan
> gdhelton(at)gmail.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 5, 2017, at 9:32 PM, Robert Lobdell wrote:
>>
>>
>> Im not a builder but I might be able to do a quick build if it isnt to involved.
I know nothing about building wings and covering. So, was really thinking
of used or ready to fly new. I know new is really expensive. I figured even
a firefly would cost close to 30k Then I would have to have a trailer built.
So, can I save a significant amount of money on the Quick build over the ready
to fly? Or should I just buy a used Kolb and forget even trying to buy a
new machine?
>> Robert Lobdell
>> Waskom, Texas
>>
>> Flying is the second greatest thrill known to man. Landing is the first!
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| Subject: | Re: Quick build verses ready to fly |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
Even with a quick build you are still going to put in a fairly large amount of
time building; and it's going to cost more.
Building my Xtra was a great experience but I would never do it again. You can
buy a good used homebuilt now for a fraction of the cost of the kit alone. If
I wanted another plane that's the way I would go. A major downside is that
you will have to get an A&P or the previous builder to make modifications or do
your annual to be legal.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476133#476133
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| Subject: | Re: Quick build verses ready to fly |
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
Rex Rodebush wrote:
> , , , , S N I P , , ,
>
> You can buy a good used homebuilt now for a fraction of the cost of the kit alone.
If I wanted another plane that's the way I would go. A major downside
is that you will have to get an A&P or the previous builder to make modifications
or do your annual to be legal.
Unless you are fortunate enough to find an Experimental - Light Sport Aircraft,
(E-LSA). In that case, you can take a 16 hour course, for a few hundred dollars,
and do it yourself.
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FS II R503 N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Quick build verses ready to fly |
Robert- The single most important thing about building, or doing a re-build,
is to have enough room to do it. Very little is needed in terms of tools. Mostly
a drill, a rivet gun, and a tape measure. Scissors! Cheap paint brushes!
And lots of ventilation when you do the covering. The big thing is to be meticulous,
and expect to make mistakes.
Also, are you going ultralight (Part 103), LSA, or a little heavier?
I'd locate some local Kolb owners, so you can see up close what they look like,
and how they are built. last I knew, several Kolb builders had great web sites
about the building and modifications of their Kolbs. Jack Hart had a great
site, for super ultralight Firefly construction.
Bill Sullivan
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On Tue, 12/5/17, Robert Lobdell wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: Quick build verses ready to fly
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, December 5, 2017, 9:32 PM
Lobdell
Im not a builder but I might be able
to do a quick build if it isnt to involved. I know
nothing about building wings and covering. So, was
really thinking of used or ready to fly new. I know
new is really expensive. I figured even a firefly
would cost close to 30k Then I would have to have a trailer
built. So, can I save a significant amount of money on
the Quick build over the ready to fly? Or should I
just buy a used Kolb and forget even trying to buy a new
machine?
Robert Lobdell
Waskom, Texas
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| Subject: | Re: Quick build verses ready to fly |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
Small but significant correction to that. While you do need the
signature of either the "repairman's certificate" holder or an A&P for
the annual condition inspection, anyone, even a monkey or a random stray
dog, can do any and all maintenance/repairs/modifications. As long as
the dog can make his mark in the log book to sign off the work (or you
can make yours, if you hire the dog), it's legal.
Charlie
(no Holiday Inn last night, but repairing/maintaining/modifying
purchased homebuilts since 1992)
On 12/6/2017 10:11 AM, Rex Rodebush wrote:
>
> Even with a quick build you are still going to put in a fairly large amount of
time building; and it's going to cost more.
>
> Building my Xtra was a great experience but I would never do it again. You can
buy a good used homebuilt now for a fraction of the cost of the kit alone.
If I wanted another plane that's the way I would go. A major downside is that
you will have to get an A&P or the previous builder to make modifications or
do your annual to be legal.
>
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | Quick build verses ready to fly |
Robert,
First question to ask yourself is what type of flying do you intend to do? That
will determine what size of Kolb you will want.
If you want to go the Part 103 route, the Firefly is for you. The factory will
do a ready to fly $$$$ (it will be built right and beautiful too). Next step down
to $$$ would be the quick build kit. Factory rigged and nearly ready to cover.
Then there is the next to lowest cost of the basic kit. Lowest cost is to
buy a used aircraft. These two have a wide price range depending on age, hours,
condition, etc.
My choice was a quick build Firefly. I had some experience with covering and painting
so that was not intimidating to me. Personal reasons for me were:
I like making things but was not too sure about working with aluminum tubing (turns
out it is easy)
I didn't want to put in the extra time to make all the parts, I wanted to get flying.
To me the price jump from basic kit to quick build was worth the time savings and
peace of mind with factory rigging. But the price jump from quick built to
ready to fly was not worth the extra $$ because I knew I could do the cover and
paint. And I like doing that kind of stuff.
I had a blast finishing the quick build kit. When I was done I had my own brand
new airplane (er, air vehicle - Part 103) that has virtually no regulations
on it. If something needs to be done, I don't have to look for someone else to
work on it. :)
If you like to make things and have more time than money, a kit is the way to go.
If you would rather fly than build you have to decide how much you are willing
to spend and then pick either a used flyable or a factory ready to fly.
If you are not in a hurry watching the used market will definitely save some cash.
When I decided to go with a Firefly there wasn't a used one listed anywhere.
Read through the archives on this list, you will learn a lot of stuff no matter
what you decide to do.
If you are interested in seeing what it took to do my quick build, have a look
here:
http://harnerfarm.net/serenity/serenity.html
If you get a chance to get to Oshkosh, you can learn all kinds of things in the
workshops, including covering. That might help you make a decision about building.
A trailer for storage is almost an afterthought. You can buy new or used that will
be almost ready to use. You can build one from the axles up, or do a conversion.
I bought a used 30' camper trailer and turned it into a toy hauler for
the Firefly. Same formula, skills/time/money.
Stuart
Im not a builder but I might be able
to do a quick build if it isnt to involved. I know nothing about building wings
and covering. So, was really thinking of used or ready to fly new. I know
new is really expensive. I figured even a firefly would cost close to 30k
Then I would have to have a trailer built. So, can I save a significant amount
of money on the Quick build over the ready to fly? Or should I just buy
a used Kolb and forget even trying to buy a new machine?
Robert Lobdell
Waskom, Texas
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| Subject: | Re: Quick build verses ready to fly |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Lots of good information on here, so I have only a little to add. Kolb wing, ailerons,
and tail feathers have to be the easiest and simplest aircraft structures
yet invented. When I bought my MKIII kit, the only quick build parts were
the ribs: pre-made.
Bought two used 36" interior doors, built a 14' long table out of 2x6's with the
doors as the tops, and lag bolts in the bottoms of the table legs so I could
keep it perfectly level. Made a full length shelf underneath to store stuff.
Make yourself a handfull of 1"x 2" wood blocks with holes through them, use phillips
head sheet metal screws to screw the blocks to the door over the full size
plans that you'll draw out for the tail pieces. Block all the tubes in place,
mark, cut to length. Lay them back over the plans between the locator blocks,
rivet the gussets on, turn it over, rinse, repeat. Tail is done. Seriously,
it really is that easy.
Wings? Slide the ribs onto that big spar with everything laying on that long table.
Measure, adjust, square it up, screw your little blocks down to keep the
ribs in position, secure the leading & trailing edges tight in place with bungee
straps. If the table is flat the wing will not be twisted. Start drilling
holes and sticking in the clecoes. (Man's best friend) Started working on the
first wing on my first day off, both of them were assembled when I went back to
work.
I was still working a 40 hour week when the MKIII kit arrived, 3 months later it
was on the gear in the driveway and several friends were helping me rig it so
we could drill the holes for the main spar clevis pins, and I'm not any better
of a builder than average. (I did have prior home building experience) Took
another 18 months to complete, but that's always the case: the last 10% of building
the airplane takes 90% of your time.
Do you like making stuff and are you handy with tools? Get a kit. Are you OCD and
a perfectionist? Get something already built and tweak it, otherwise you'll
spend years building when you could be flying.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Quick build verses ready to fly |
Rex, You do not have to be an AI to do an annual on an experimental amateur
built aircraft, all it takes is an A & P ticket. You don't have to have ANY
ticket at all to modify, maintain, or repair an EAB, anyone can. Don't know
if this will change your thinking on building vs. buying but you at least
have the correct information.
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On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Rex Rodebush wrote:
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> Even with a quick build you are still going to put in a fairly large
> amount of time building; and it's going to cost more.
>
> Building my Xtra was a great experience but I would never do it again.
> You can buy a good used homebuilt now for a fraction of the cost of the k
it
> alone. If I wanted another plane that's the way I would go. A major
> downside is that you will have to get an A&P or the previous builder to
> make modifications or do your annual to be legal.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476133#476133
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| Subject: | MkII....project... |
| From: | "herbgh" <herbgh(at)juno.com> |
All
I have located a MkII project. My experience has been with MkIII,Fireflys and
a Slingshot..
Never flew the Slingshot and likely that was a good thing...:-)
Wondering what the experiences of the list are with the MkII ? I know it is
built with 5 inch tubes...and has the rib in common with the Firefly,Firestar...
It comes with no engine which suits me to a "T". since I have a low time 503
with C box. and of all things....a brand new 532 with electric start...
Could not believe the "new" part of the 532 but when I yanked the heads...no
carbon to be found...green dot on the pistons...Amazing!! Front and rear seals
and likely good to go..My MkIII had a 532 and the hours I put on it were a non
event... Crank and bearing rust would be a concern and would need inspecting...
The MkII would give me some trade bait for another Firefly or Firestar...which
is what I really want... Herb
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MkII....project... |
MKII was a great airplane in its day. I built one and flew the heck out of i
t for about 4 1/2 years back the early 90=99s. Handling was a bit slug
gish, but it was originally designed to be a trainer. I had a 503 single car
b which seemed adequate for flying in Southern California heat. I did a lot o
f thermalIng and high desert flying with it. I personally thought it a great
airplane . The MKIII was a much prettier unit and I=99m sure had stro
nger marketability as time has proven. The MKII was not very roomy. I was th
inking that with a little cage modification that it would have made a cool f
at man single seater. But, the original Firestar is not very roomy either, w
hich is what I still fly. I=99m not sure the MKII would be good tradin
g material these days though? Their age has be considered. That=99s ju
st my two cents worth. George
George Helton
1986 Firestar, 377 Rotax
14GDH
Mesick, Michigan
gdhelton(at)gmail.com
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> On Dec 7, 2017, at 9:45 AM, herbgh wrote:
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> All
> I have located a MkII project. My experience has been with MkIII,Firefly
s and a Slingshot..
>
> Never flew the Slingshot and likely that was a good thing...:-)
>
> Wondering what the experiences of the list are with the MkII ? I know i
t is built with 5 inch tubes...and has the rib in common with the Firefly,Fi
restar...
> It comes with no engine which suits me to a "T". since I have a low time 5
03 with C box. and of all things....a brand new 532 with electric start...
> Could not believe the "new" part of the 532 but when I yanked the heads..
.no carbon to be found...green dot on the pistons...Amazing!! Front and rear
seals and likely good to go..My MkIII had a 532 and the hours I put on it w
ere a non event... Crank and bearing rust would be a concern and would need i
nspecting...
> The MkII would give me some trade bait for another Firefly or Firestar.
..which is what I really want... Herb
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476205#476205
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: MkII....project... |
| From: | SugarDad <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
I was pretty good in my day too! :-) I think it would suit me at this
time...Seems that the market is thin for Fireflies and Firestars;
rebuilders and projects...kits...
I watched several vids on Youtube and decided as you that it would
make a good single seater with some mods... I know the pitfalls of
making mods....Turning the airbike wing from a full span aileron to an
outboard one with a torque tube actuation and counterbalances took as
much time as building the wing...!!
The seller is thinking trades and meeting me half way...all of which
is very positive this time of year...
I am correct that the wing is the same as the Firestar one and
two? Herb
On 12/07/2017 09:52 AM, George Helton wrote:
> MKII was a great airplane in its day. I built one and flew the heck out of it
for about 4 1/2 years back the early 90s. Handling was a bit sluggish, but it
was originally designed to be a trainer. I had a 503 single carb which seemed
adequate for flying in Southern California heat. I did a lot of thermalIng and
high desert flying with it. I personally thought it a great airplane . The MKIII
was a much prettier unit and Im sure had stronger marketability as time has
proven. The MKII was not very roomy. I was thinking that with a little cage
modification that it would have made a cool fat man single seater. But, the original
Firestar is not very roomy either, which is what I still fly. Im not sure
the MKII would be good trading material these days though? Their age has be
considered. Thats just my two cents worth. George
>
>
> George Helton
> 1986 Firestar, 377 Rotax
> 14GDH
> Mesick, Michigan
> gdhelton(at)gmail.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 7, 2017, at 9:45 AM, herbgh wrote:
>>
>>
>> All
>> I have located a MkII project. My experience has been with MkIII,Fireflys
and a Slingshot..
>>
>> Never flew the Slingshot and likely that was a good thing...:-)
>>
>> Wondering what the experiences of the list are with the MkII ? I know it
is built with 5 inch tubes...and has the rib in common with the Firefly,Firestar...
>> It comes with no engine which suits me to a "T". since I have a low time 503
with C box. and of all things....a brand new 532 with electric start...
>> Could not believe the "new" part of the 532 but when I yanked the heads...no
carbon to be found...green dot on the pistons...Amazing!! Front and rear seals
and likely good to go..My MkIII had a 532 and the hours I put on it were a
non event... Crank and bearing rust would be a concern and would need inspecting...
>> The MkII would give me some trade bait for another Firefly or Firestar...which
is what I really want... Herb
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476205#476205
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MkII....project... |
I can=99t say that Firestar 2 used the same ribs or not? The original
Firestar and Twinstar series which includes the MKII did. The only real diff
erence that I can remember was that the wing had two more ribs per side to a
ccommodate the larger wing span.
The modification I wanted to do was to add a tube either side of the center t
ubes in the cockpit . Remove to the tube between the seats. It would entail r
ecovering the main cage. I would have used the spaces between the new seatin
g area and sides as cool storage compartments. It might=99ve worked. G
eorge
George Helton
1986 Firestar, 377 Rotax
14GDH
Mesick, Michigan
gdhelton(at)gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 7, 2017, at 11:32 AM, SugarDad wrote:
>
> I was pretty good in my day too! :-) I think it would suit me at this t
ime...Seems that the market is thin for Fireflies and Firestars; rebuilders a
nd projects...kits...
>
> I watched several vids on Youtube and decided as you that it would make
a good single seater with some mods... I know the pitfalls of making mods..
..Turning the airbike wing from a full span aileron to an outboard one with a
torque tube actuation and counterbalances took as much time as building the
wing...!!
> The seller is thinking trades and meeting me half way...all of which is v
ery positive this time of year...
> I am correct that the wing is the same as the Firestar one and two? H
erb
>
>> On 12/07/2017 09:52 AM, George Helton wrote:
>> MKII was a great airplane in its day. I built one and flew the heck out o
f it for about 4 1/2 years back the early 90=99s. Handling was a bit s
luggish, but it was originally designed to be a trainer. I had a 503 single c
arb which seemed adequate for flying in Southern California heat. I did a lo
t of thermalIng and high desert flying with it. I personally thought it a gr
eat airplane . The MKIII was a much prettier unit and I=99m sure had s
tronger marketability as time has proven. The MKII was not very roomy. I was
thinking that with a little cage modification that it would have made a coo
l fat man single seater. But, the original Firestar is not very roomy either
, which is what I still fly. I=99m not sure the MKII would be good tra
ding material these days though? Their age has be considered. That=99s
just my two cents worth. George
>>
>>
>> George Helton
>> 1986 Firestar, 377 Rotax
>> 14GDH
>> Mesick, Michigan
>> gdhelton(at)gmail.com
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Dec 7, 2017, at 9:45 AM, herbgh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All
>>>> I have located a MkII project. My experience has been with MkIII,Fire
flys and a Slingshot..
>>>>
>>>> Never flew the Slingshot and likely that was a good thing...:-)
>>>>
>>>> Wondering what the experiences of the list are with the MkII ? I kn
ow it is built with 5 inch tubes...and has the rib in common with the Firefl
y,Firestar...
>>>> It comes with no engine which suits me to a "T". since I have a low ti
me 503 with C box. and of all things....a brand new 532 with electric start.
..
>>>> Could not believe the "new" part of the 532 but when I yanked the head
s...no carbon to be found...green dot on the pistons...Amazing!! Front and r
ear seals and likely good to go..My MkIII had a 532 and the hours I put on i
t were a non event... Crank and bearing rust would be a concern and would ne
ed inspecting...
>>>> The MkII would give me some trade bait for another Firefly or Firest
ar...which is what I really want... Herb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476205#476205
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: MkII....project... |
| From: | SugarDad <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
I know that the Ultrastar rib is the same...so likely all are the same
til the 6 inch spar...of the MkIII,Kolbra and Slingshot...
By the way...wondering if anyone has tried the cub airfoil or the
Modified airfoil of the N3 Pup/J3 Kitten or Carlson Sparrow on a
Kolb...Mary Carlson can sell you spars and ribs for about the same as
two spar tubes.. More work however with drag and anti drag wires and
cross bracing... My N3 pup was the best flyer of all of my birds.. It
is sitting in a house trailer , behind my tobacco barn...waiting for the
mood to strike.. and for me to add a t hangar onto the barn :-)
Interesting that one fellow that I communicated with used a Firestar
wing on his airbike...Herb
by the way...Mary will sell you her business...will make you a
millionaire if you start with two and spend it down to one...:-)
On 12/07/2017 10:59 AM, George Helton wrote:
> I cant say that Firestar 2 used the same ribs or not? The original
> Firestar and Twinstar series which includes the MKII did. The only
> real difference that I can remember was that the wing had two more
> ribs per side to accommodate the larger wing span.
> The modification I wanted to do was to add a tube either side of the
> center tubes in the cockpit . Remove to the tube between the seats. It
> would entail recovering the main cage. I would have used the spaces
> between the new seating area and sides as cool storage compartments.
> It mightve worked. George
>
> George Helton
> 1986 Firestar, 377 Rotax
> 14GDH
> Mesick, Michigan
> gdhelton(at)gmail.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 7, 2017, at 11:32 AM, SugarDad > wrote:
>
>> I was pretty good in my day too! :-) I think it would suit me at
>> this time...Seems that the market is thin for Fireflies and
>> Firestars; rebuilders and projects...kits...
>>
>> I watched several vids on Youtube and decided as you that it would
>> make a good single seater with some mods... I know the pitfalls of
>> making mods....Turning the airbike wing from a full span aileron to
>> an outboard one with a torque tube actuation and counterbalances took
>> as much time as building the wing...!!
>>
>> The seller is thinking trades and meeting me half way...all of
>> which is very positive this time of year...
>>
>> I am correct that the wing is the same as the Firestar one and
>> two? Herb
>>
>>
>> On 12/07/2017 09:52 AM, George Helton wrote:
>>> MKII was a great airplane in its day. I built one and flew the heck out of
it for about 4 1/2 years back the early 90s. Handling was a bit sluggish, but
it was originally designed to be a trainer. I had a 503 single carb which seemed
adequate for flying in Southern California heat. I did a lot of thermalIng
and high desert flying with it. I personally thought it a great airplane . The
MKIII was a much prettier unit and Im sure had stronger marketability as time
has proven. The MKII was not very roomy. I was thinking that with a little cage
modification that it would have made a cool fat man single seater. But, the
original Firestar is not very roomy either, which is what I still fly. Im not
sure the MKII would be good trading material these days though? Their age has
be considered. Thats just my two cents worth. George
>>>
>>>
>>> George Helton
>>> 1986 Firestar, 377 Rotax
>>> 14GDH
>>> Mesick, Michigan
>>> gdhelton(at)gmail.com
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Dec 7, 2017, at 9:45 AM, herbgh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All
>>>> I have located a MkII project. My experience has been with MkIII,Fireflys
and a Slingshot..
>>>>
>>>> Never flew the Slingshot and likely that was a good thing...:-)
>>>>
>>>> Wondering what the experiences of the list are with the MkII ? I know
it is built with 5 inch tubes...and has the rib in common with the Firefly,Firestar...
>>>> It comes with no engine which suits me to a "T". since I have a low time
503 with C box. and of all things....a brand new 532 with electric start...
>>>> Could not believe the "new" part of the 532 but when I yanked the heads...no
carbon to be found...green dot on the pistons...Amazing!! Front and rear
seals and likely good to go..My MkIII had a 532 and the hours I put on it were
a non event... Crank and bearing rust would be a concern and would need inspecting...
>>>> The MkII would give me some trade bait for another Firefly or Firestar...which
is what I really want... Herb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476205#476205
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> ===================================
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>>
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| Subject: | Re: MkII....project... |
| From: | "Mark K" <seanote(at)echoes.net> |
Herb, I am working on a MKII project right now. Things are going fine. I have
been slow on getting progress on the rebuild but moving along now. I can't
wait to have it ready for next spring. There are several others I know from this
list that have had MKII's. All liked them. I have a 503 dual carb, dual
igntion setup for mine. Looking forward to hearing more about your project.
Mark
--------
Mark
Twinstar MKII
Great Bend, PA
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| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MkII....project... |
I've thought for a long time that if I were to build another mk3 that I
would do a lot of research into a modification of the wing. What I would
like to know is what difference there would be if I raised the leading edge
a inch and a quarter to a inch and a half. I would keep the bottom of
the ribs flat from the rear spar to 7 inches + or - behind the leading
edge spar. Then a gradual curve up to the raised leading edge. Similar
to the wing profile of the pa18 super cub. What I would like to know is
the drag / lift profile vs angle of attack,,,, Find out if the changes
would affect speed, clime, and glide angles.
If anyone knows please share.
Boyd Young mk3 Utah
On Dec 7, 2017 10:52 AM, "SugarDad" wrote:
> I know that the Ultrastar rib is the same...so likely all are the same
> til the 6 inch spar...of the MkIII,Kolbra and Slingshot...
>
> By the way...wondering if anyone has tried the cub airfoil or the
> Modified airfoil of the N3 Pup/J3 Kitten or Carlson Sparrow on a
> Kolb...Mary Carlson can sell you spars and ribs for about the same as tw
o
> spar tubes.. More work however with drag and anti drag wires and cross
> bracing... My N3 pup was the best flyer of all of my birds.. It is
> sitting in a house trailer , behind my tobacco barn...waiting for the moo
d
> to strike.. and for me to add a t hangar onto the barn :-)
>
> Interesting that one fellow that I communicated with used a Firestar
> wing on his airbike...Herb
>
> by the way...Mary will sell you her business...will make you a
> millionaire if you start with two and spend it down to one...:-)
>
>
> On 12/07/2017 10:59 AM, George Helton wrote:
>
> I can=99t say that Firestar 2 used the same ribs or not? The origin
al
> Firestar and Twinstar series which includes the MKII did. The only real
> difference that I can remember was that the wing had two more ribs per si
de
> to accommodate the larger wing span.
> The modification I wanted to do was to add a tube either side of the
> center tubes in the cockpit . Remove to the tube between the seats. It
> would entail recovering the main cage. I would have used the spaces betwe
en
> the new seating area and sides as cool storage compartments. It might
=99ve
> worked. George
>
> George Helton
> 1986 Firestar, 377 Rotax
> 14GDH
> Mesick, Michigan
> gdhelton(at)gmail.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 7, 2017, at 11:32 AM, SugarDad wrote:
>
> I was pretty good in my day too! :-) I think it would suit me at this
> time...Seems that the market is thin for Fireflies and Firestars;
> rebuilders and projects...kits...
>
> I watched several vids on Youtube and decided as you that it would mak
e
> a good single seater with some mods... I know the pitfalls of making
> mods....Turning the airbike wing from a full span aileron to an outboard
> one with a torque tube actuation and counterbalances took as much time as
> building the wing...!!
>
> The seller is thinking trades and meeting me half way...all of which is
> very positive this time of year...
>
> I am correct that the wing is the same as the Firestar one and two?
> Herb
>
> On 12/07/2017 09:52 AM, George Helton wrote:
>
> MKII was a great airplane in its day. I built one and flew the heck out o
f it for about 4 1/2 years back the early 90=99s. Handling was a bit
sluggish, but it was originally designed to be a trainer. I had a 503 singl
e carb which seemed adequate for flying in Southern California heat. I did
a lot of thermalIng and high desert flying with it. I personally thought it
a great airplane . The MKIII was a much prettier unit and I=99m sure
had stronger marketability as time has proven. The MKII was not very roomy
. I was thinking that with a little cage modification that it would have ma
de a cool fat man single seater. But, the original Firestar is not very roo
my either, which is what I still fly. I=99m not sure the MKII would b
e good trading material these days though? Their age has be considered. Tha
t=99s just my two cents worth. George
>
>
> George Helton
> 1986 Firestar, 377 Rotax
> 14GDH
> Mesick, Michigan gdhelton(at)gmail.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Dec 7, 2017, at 9:45 AM, herbgh wr
ote:
>
com>
>
> All
> I have located a MkII project. My experience has been with MkIII,Firefl
ys and a Slingshot..
>
> Never flew the Slingshot and likely that was a good thing...:-)
>
> Wondering what the experiences of the list are with the MkII ? I know
it is built with 5 inch tubes...and has the rib in common with the Firefly
,Firestar...
> It comes with no engine which suits me to a "T". since I have a low time
503 with C box. and of all things....a brand new 532 with electric start..
.
> Could not believe the "new" part of the 532 but when I yanked the heads.
..no carbon to be found...green dot on the pistons...Amazing!! Front and re
ar seals and likely good to go..My MkIII had a 532 and the hours I put on i
t were a non event... Crank and bearing rust would be a concern and would n
eed inspecting...
> The MkII would give me some trade bait for another Firefly or Firestar
...which is what I really want... Herb
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476205#476205
>
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| Subject: | Re: Quick build verses ready to fly |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
Rick,
My understanding was that for an EAB the only people that can sign off on the yearly
inspection or 'annual" was the original builder (with a repairman certificate)
or an A&P. Am I wrong?
Rex
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| From: | Wayne Schneider <jwaynes(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Quick build verses ready to fly |
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| Subject: | Re: Quick build verses ready to fly |
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
Radegast wrote:
> If you can register it as an ELSA, then you can take a 16 hour course and do
your own condition inspections.
>
>
> , S , N , I , P ,
>
>
My understanding of ELSA:
Is one of three kinds:
Previously unregistered "ultralight-like" vehicle that meets LSA specifications.
These aircraft were required to be registered before January 31, 2008. However,
the FAA issued exemptions which allowed the certification deadline to be extended
to January 31, 2010 for any "ultralights" that held FAR103 Exemptions
for training. The January 31, 2010 deadline is now past, so no other aircraft
(ultralights / experimentals) will be certificated under this provision.
A kit version of an S-LSA. Note that the January 31, 2008 deadline does not apply
here.
An S-LSA the owner elects to convert to E-LSA so he/she can make modifications
& perform maintenance. Note that the January 31, 2008 deadline does not apply
here.
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503
E-LSA N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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| From: | "kenw" <worthken67(at)gmail.com> |
are there any fellow Mark III Kolbers out there with a Hirth 3002 ?
--------
kenw
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| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question) |
| From: | "Dan Breitigam" <dbrtgm(at)me.com> |
So do you guys think the aluminum gear legs on my Mk III Xtra will fail? To gain
a little height I inserted them so they are 4 inches out from what the plans
say. Nervous about that. Havent flown this restoration project yet.
Thanks!
Dan in Chattanooga
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question) |
There is a reason the plans call for inserting gear legs all the way into the gear
leg sockets. That is so the load will be carried by the entire socket.
By not inserting the gear leg all the way into the socket, a stress point is established
at the end of the gear leg, a shearing effect.
Early Firestar plans called for centering the end of the gear leg at the mid-point
of the gear leg socket. When I crashed my FS on Grand Island, NY, summer
of 1988, I sheared the gear leg socket right at the end of the gear leg. On rebuild
we started inserting the gear leg until it was seated all the way in the
socket.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 7:07 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question)
So do you guys think the aluminum gear legs on my Mk III Xtra will fail? To gain
a little height I inserted them so they are 4 inches out from what the plans
say. Nervous about that. Havent flown this restoration project yet.
Thanks!
Dan in Chattanooga
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| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question) |
Dan
The aluminium gear legs are good and will protect your plane from damage
from learning pilots up to a point. These legs don't spring and launch you
back in the air like the steel legs which is good but they do bend. They
also if installed like they were intended keep you on the ground till you
have good flying air speed. By extending the gear legs you have become the
test pilot. I do have a bit of concern for bending the steel tube in the
fuselage that the aluminium gear slide into (landing gear socket) on a hard
landing. Let us know how it works out.
I have the old style version 1.2 solid steel highly tapered very springy
gear legs. They float over the roughest ground but are always waiting to
spring me into the air with little airspeed from a botch landing.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 8:06 AM, Dan Breitigam wrote:
>
> So do you guys think the aluminum gear legs on my Mk III Xtra will fail?
> To gain a little height I inserted them so they are 4 inches out from wha
t
> the plans say. Nervous about that. Haven=99t flown this restoration
project
> yet.
>
> Thanks!
> Dan in Chattanooga
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476242#476242
>
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question) |
See John's reply about the inserted length. As for the aluminum legs- if
you are a very careful, skilled pilot who doesn't push the boundary's of
you or your planes abilities, and stay on the airport tarmac, you can
probably do quite well with the Alum legs. If you fly like I do, then you
probably should consider steel. I have had three misfortunes with alum
legs. All self inflicted you understand.
Larry
On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 6:06 AM, Dan Breitigam wrote:
>
> So do you guys think the aluminum gear legs on my Mk III Xtra will fail?
> To gain a little height I inserted them so they are 4 inches out from wha
t
> the plans say. Nervous about that. Haven=99t flown this restoration
project
> yet.
>
> Thanks!
> Dan in Chattanooga
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476242#476242
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question) |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
RoHam wrote:
> A buddy of mine is trying this setup for off airport operation. Too much fabrication
for me, but I like it. ...Bob
I do not like it. The spreader bar attaches to the New Extension well below the
longeron and the original gear leg socket. Picture the side loads if you ever
get that thing crossed up, or even worse, in a ground loop.
For example, you touch down while fighting a strong right crosswind, and maybe
the nose swings right and the tail goes left. You begin a ground loop to the right.
With the normal gear, not a big deal. With this arrangement, the gear loads
are transferred to the spreader bar, with the associated loads trying to
pull the left New Extension under the belly, and push the right side New Extension
up toward the underside of the wing.
I say this because this is very similar to how Jessie Anglin (mis) designed the
spreader bar attachment brackets on the Anglin J-6 Karatoo - which kit I built
- and which damaged the gear twice on a couple of landings where I got it sideways
a bit, and then one day I was doing a touch and go and the left brake locked
up. (My bad. The return valve in the master cylinder was not set properly)
The airplane did a high speed ground loop to the left, the right main gear
ended up under the left gear, the left main gear was up against the left wing
strut. Check the pictures... Not a smiley face day.
Got an engineer friend to look at the plans and how it was originally built, and
his response was "Well, no damm wonder..." He redesigned it to get everything
aligned, I spent the winter rebuilding it, and the next time it ground looped,
it was a non-event. (aside from the laughs of the watchers)
The attachment points for the spreader bar need to be in alignment with the lower
longeron so that they cannot exert any twisting moment to anything. The loads
need to be transmitted directly.
Looking at the picture, the attach points for the spreader bar need to be in line
between the clevis pin hole for the lift strut and the opposite axle shock
strut point attach to make it non-twisty, which means brackets welded to the lower
cross bar of the landing gear A-Frame about an inch or so inside the longeron
and tied into the main landing gear tube.
And for Dan; the reason those gear legs are supposed to go all the way up to the
top as far as possible - if you drop it in hard enough, the gear legs will kink
the tube they are inserted in. The early Firestars had legs that only went
a bit beyond the retaining bolt hole; after enough guys kinked that socket tube,
Kolb started making the gear legs longer. So if you have slid the gear legs
down about 4 inches, you can take a magic marker and put a mark on the side
of the tube where the gear leg tops out. When the day comes that you drop it in,
that is where the kink will be.
Sorry to be the list wet blanket, but that's how I see it.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and Grace really is amazing.
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| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question) |
They will last till you have a hard landing, when they give way and bend
it should do so without damaging the cage, provided they are installed to
plans.
Boyd Young
On Dec 8, 2017 6:09 AM, "Dan Breitigam" wrote:
>
> So do you guys think the aluminum gear legs on my Mk III Xtra will fail?
> To gain a little height I inserted them so they are 4 inches out from wha
t
> the plans say. Nervous about that. Haven=99t flown this restoration
project
> yet.
>
> Thanks!
> Dan in Chattanooga
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476242#476242
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question) |
| From: | "Dan Breitigam" <dbrtgm(at)me.com> |
Thanks to those who spoke of the gear leg socket not holding up. I will heed that
advice and shove it in the rest of the way!
-Dan
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| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question) |
I am definitely the LEAST "expert" on this group, but I have to agree that common
sense and basic engineering favors having the gear leg inserted further into
the socket.
More than one Kolb List participant has plenty of experience with this question,
and more than one has installed different gear, longer gear, switched between
aluminum and steel, etc. Their advice will be worth listening to.
In pursuit of the shortest possible takeoff roll, I installed a much longer gear
on my Firestar. But this has created significant extra risk, and I have to accept
that. I have not flown the aircraft yet, so I cannot provide any factual
information.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Fri, 12/8/17, Dan Breitigam wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: First Flights Completed! (gear leg question)
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Friday, December 8, 2017, 1:55 PM
Breitigam"
Thanks to those who spoke of the gear
leg socket not holding up. I will heed that advice and
shove it in the rest of the way!
-Dan
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| From: | "kenw" <worthken67(at)gmail.com> |
I received these pics & was searching for anyone using this engine.
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kenw
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| From: | SugarDad <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
Mike in Elkins W.VA. has a low time 912S ...Was for sale....304 692
0070 ...He has the MkIII on Barnstormers ...
I certainly would go in the 4 stroke direction if similar money...Herb
On 12/08/2017 05:14 PM, kenw wrote:
>
> I received these pics & was searching for anyone using this engine.
>
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> kenw
>
>
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>
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
Nice pictures. Ive never run anything but Rotax engines. All 2 strokes. The only
failure Ive ever had was of my own doing.
The 377 on my Firestar is now 30 and still running great. Im now considering going
to the Hirth 2702 (40 hp )simply because Im tired of the constant Rotax parts
hassle. Rotax has gotten so expensive that the Hirth engines are looking
mighty attractive at $4700 with gearbox and dual CDI ignition. I wanted to get
an HKS, but Kolb seems to think that its to much power for the original Firestar.
Hirth is definitely priced right and appear to be of very high quality. It
a dilemma?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 8, 2017, at 7:08 PM, SugarDad wrote:
>
>
> Mike in Elkins W.VA. has a low time 912S ...Was for sale....304 692 0070 ...He
has the MkIII on Barnstormers ...
>
> I certainly would go in the 4 stroke direction if similar money...Herb
>
>
>> On 12/08/2017 05:14 PM, kenw wrote:
>>
>> I received these pics & was searching for anyone using this engine.
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| From: | John Darke <jbdarke(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Enclosed Trailer |
Anyone have an enclosed trailer for a Kolb Mark III that we could rent for
a week?
--
*John Darke, 72 Sabal Drive - Punta Gorda, FL 33950 - 941-676-0429*
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| Subject: | Re: Enclosed Trailer |
| From: | SugarDad <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
Going to W.Va. ?? :-) Herb
On 12/09/2017 07:13 AM, John Darke wrote:
> Anyone have an enclosed trailer for a Kolb Mark III that we could rent
> for a week?
>
> --
> /*JohnDarke,72 Sabal Drive- Punta Gorda, FL 33950 -941-676-0429*/
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| From: | John Darke <jbdarke(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Enclosed Trailer |
Not W. VA John
On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 8:17 AM, SugarDad wrote:
> Going to W.Va. ?? :-) Herb
>
> On 12/09/2017 07:13 AM, John Darke wrote:
>
> Anyone have an enclosed trailer for a Kolb Mark III that we could rent for
> a week?
>
> --
> *John Darke, 72 Sabal Drive - Punta Gorda, FL 33950 - 941-676-0429
> <(941)%20676-0429>*
>
>
--
*John Darke, 72 Sabal Drive - Punta Gorda, FL 33950 - 941-676-0429*
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| Subject: | Re: Enclosed Trailer |
| From: | SugarDad <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
Heck of a deal for someone in Elkins......and no ...I do not get a
commission....:-) Herb
On 12/09/2017 07:23 AM, John Darke wrote:
> Not W. VA John
>
> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 8:17 AM, SugarDad > wrote:
>
> Going to W.Va. ?? :-) Herb
>
>
> On 12/09/2017 07:13 AM, John Darke wrote:
>> Anyone have an enclosed trailer for a Kolb Mark III that we could
>> rent for a week?
>>
>> --
>> /*JohnDarke,72 Sabal Drive- Punta Gorda, FL 33950 -
>> 941-676-0429 */
>
>
> --
> /*JohnDarke,72 Sabal Drive- Punta Gorda, FL 33950 -941-676-0429*/
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| From: | "kenw" <worthken67(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the reply !
2 strokes certainly need an experienced operator & they can be long term performers.
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| From: | Russ Kinne <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Enclosed Trailer |
JOHN DARKE
I HAVE ONE.IN MAINEWANNA DRIVE UP HERE FOR IT??
RUSS K
> On Dec 9, 2017, at 8:17 AM, SugarDad wrote:
>
> Going to W.Va. ?? :-) Herb
>
> On 12/09/2017 07:13 AM, John Darke wrote:
>> Anyone have an enclosed trailer for a Kolb Mark III that we could
rent for a week?
>>
>> --
>> John Darke, 72 Sabal Drive - Punta Gorda, FL 33950 - 941-676-0429
>
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| From: | John Darke <jbdarke(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Enclosed Trailer |
That's a bit of a stretch, Russ but it is a possibility. Is the trailer
set up for a Kolb?
On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Russ Kinne wrote:
> JOHN DARKE
> I HAVE ONE.IN MAINEWANNA DRIVE UP HERE FOR IT??
> RUSS K
>
> On Dec 9, 2017, at 8:17 AM, SugarDad wrote:
>
> Going to W.Va. ?? :-) Herb
>
> On 12/09/2017 07:13 AM, John Darke wrote:
>
> Anyone have an enclosed trailer for a Kolb Mark III that we could rent fo
r
> a week?
>
> --
> *John Darke, 72 Sabal Drive - Punta Gorda, FL 33950
> - 941-676-0429
> <(941)%20676-0429>*
>
>
--
*John Darke, 72 Sabal Drive - Punta Gorda, FL 33950 - 941-676-0429*
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| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Enclosed Trailer |
On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 7:27 PM John Darke wrote:
> That's a bit of a stretch, Russ but it is a possibility. Is the trailer
> set up for a Kolb?
>
> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Russ Kinne wrote:
>
>> JOHN DARKE
>> I HAVE ONE.IN MAINEWANNA DRIVE UP HERE FOR IT??
>> RUSS K
>>
>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 8:17 AM, SugarDad wrote:
>>
>> Going to W.Va. ?? :-) Herb
>>
>> On 12/09/2017 07:13 AM, John Darke wrote:
>>
>> Anyone have an enclosed trailer for a Kolb Mark III that we could rent
>> for a week?
>>
>> --
>> *John Darke, 72 Sabal Drive
>> -
>> Punta Gorda, FL 33950
>> -
>> 941-676-0429
>> <(941)%20676-0429>*
>>
>>
>> John
>>
> I have one all set up for a MKlll but it is in Michigan and you would hav
e
to wait till April. I=99m just north of you in Venice FL for the wint
er.
Rick Neilsen
redrive VW MKlll
>
>
> --
> *John Darke, 72 Sabal Drive - Punta Gorda, FL 33950
> - 941
> -676-0429*
>
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| From: | SugarDad <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | 912 ULS for sale |
Couple of suspicious 912ULS adds on Barnstormers this morning...both
from England....Herb
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| Subject: | Re: 912 ULS for sale |
| From: | SugarDad <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
Take a look!!
*NEW ROTAX 912 ULS 100HP
**$8,000 **AVAILABLE FOR SALE* I bought the Rotax engine brand new
last year because, the engine was only used for a test View Details at
Barnstormers.Com
*ROTAX 912 ULS 100HP
**$4,100 **AVAILABLE FOR SALE* ULS 912 Rotax-Motor 100 HP 220
Operating hours All services Starter free-running excellent Condition
View Details at Barnstormers.Com
On 12/10/2017 07:27 AM, SugarDad wrote:
> Couple of suspicious 912ULS adds on Barnstormers this morning...both
> from England....Herb
>
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| From: | Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 912 ULS for sale |
Yea buyer be ware=C2-
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 8:32 AM, SugarDad wrote:
Take a look!!
NEW ROTAX 912 ULS 100HP =A2 $8,000 =A2 AVAILABLE FOR SALE
=A2 I bought the Rotax engine brand new last year because, the engine w
as only used for a test =A2 View Details at Barnstormers.Com
ROTAX 912 ULS 100HP =A2 $4,100 =A2 AVAILABLE FOR SALE
=A2 ULS 912 Rotax-Motor 100 HP 220 Operating hours All services Starter fr
ee-running excellent Condition =A2 View Details at Barnstormers.Com
On 12/10/2017 07:27 AM, SugarDad wrote:
Couple of suspicious 912ULS adds on Barnstormers this morning...both from E
ngland....Herb
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| Subject: | Re: 912 ULS for sale |
| From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
Gees, I haven't been out to the hangar in a month. Maybe I need to see if mine
is still there ...
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Ralph B
Kolb Kolbra 912uls
N20386
550 hours
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| Subject: | Re: 912 ULS for sale |
| From: | SugarDad <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
speaking of scams.....:-) I just listed a 30 year old(never run) 532
on Barnstormers... Electric start ...I was amazed to see the blue or
green dot on the clean pistons( I just do not remember the color) ...and
to see no carbon on the heads...even had the plastic plugs in the intake
and duct tape over the exhaust... Never had any oil in the rotary valve
container... Frosty pistons..
Guessing that one could replace the end seals and fly...Maybe use a
bore scope to examine the bearings...? I flew one of these on my MkIII
for 80 or so hours.. Never had any problems though some said the crank
was weak...given its 503 heritage? Herb
On 12/10/2017 10:53 AM, Ralph B wrote:
>
> Gees, I haven't been out to the hangar in a month. Maybe I need to see if mine
is still there ...
>
> --------
> Ralph B
>
> Kolb Kolbra 912uls
> N20386
> 550 hours
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: 912 ULS for sale |
| From: | SugarDad <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
Where is your hangar?? :-) Herb
On 12/10/2017 10:53 AM, Ralph B wrote:
>
> Gees, I haven't been out to the hangar in a month. Maybe I need to see if mine
is still there ...
>
> --------
> Ralph B
>
> Kolb Kolbra 912uls
> N20386
> 550 hours
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476295#476295
>
>
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| From: | Russ Kinne <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Enclosed Trailer |
Can=99t believe it=99s possibility at 2500 miles away, but
it is set up for an Xtra.
Tracks for tailwheel, steel wells & straps for mains, remote-control 12v
winch,
padded steel boom support, wings, center section & struts hang on walls.
Fair winds,
Russ
> On Dec 9, 2017, at 11:39 PM, Rick Neilsen wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 7:27 PM John Darke > wrote:
> That's a bit of a stretch, Russ but it is a possibility. Is the
trailer set up for a Kolb?
>
> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Russ Kinne > wrote:
> JOHN DARKE
> I HAVE ONE.IN <http://one.in/> MAINEWANNA DRIVE UP HERE FOR
IT??
> RUSS K
>
>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 8:17 AM, SugarDad > wrote:
>>
>> Going to W.Va. ?? :-) Herb
>>
>> On 12/09/2017 07:13 AM, John Darke wrote:
>>> Anyone have an enclosed trailer for a Kolb Mark III that we could
rent for a week?
>>>
>>> --
>>> John Darke, 72 Sabal Drive=C2-
- Punta Gorda, FL 33950
-=C2-
941-676-0429
> John
> I have one all set up for a MKlll but it is in Michigan and you would
have to wait till April. I=99m just north of you in Venice FL for
the winter.
> Rick Neilsen
> redrive VW MKlll
>
>
>
>
> --
> John Darke, 72 Sabal Drive=C2-- Punta Gorda, FL 33950
-=C2-941
-676-0429
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| From: | Russ Kinne <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
Sorry list, that email was meant for one man, not the whole list
My bad, I apologize.
Russ K
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| From: | John Darke <jbdarke(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Enclosed Trailer |
I assume West Coast. But where?
On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Russ Kinne wrote:
> Can=99t believe it=99s possibility at 2500 miles away, but it
is set up for an
> Xtra.
> Tracks for tailwheel, steel wells & straps for mains, remote-control 12v
> winch,
> padded steel boom support, wings, center section & struts hang on walls.
> Fair winds,
> Russ
>
> On Dec 9, 2017, at 11:39 PM, Rick Neilsen wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 7:27 PM John Darke wrote:
>
>> That's a bit of a stretch, Russ but it is a possibility. Is the trailer
>> set up for a Kolb?
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Russ Kinne wrote:
>>
>>> JOHN DARKE
>>> I HAVE ONE.IN <http://one.in/> MAINEWANNA DRIVE UP HERE FOR IT
??
>>> RUSS K
>>>
>>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 8:17 AM, SugarDad wrote:
>>>
>>> Going to W.Va. ?? :-) Herb
>>>
>>> On 12/09/2017 07:13 AM, John Darke wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone have an enclosed trailer for a Kolb Mark III that we could rent
>>> for a week?
>>>
>>> --
>>> *John Darke, 72 Sabal Drive
>>> -
>>> Punta Gorda, FL 33950
>>> -
>>> 941-676-0429
>>> <(941)%20676-0429>*
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>> I have one all set up for a MKlll but it is in Michigan and you would
> have to wait till April. I=99m just north of you in Venice FL for t
he winter.
> Rick Neilsen
> redrive VW MKlll
>
>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *John Darke, 72 Sabal Drive - Punta Gorda, FL 33950
>> - 941
>> -
>> 676-0429*
>>
>
>
--
*John Darke, 72 Sabal Drive - Punta Gorda, FL 33950 - 941-676-0429*
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| Subject: | Re: 912 ULS for sale |
| From: | "normros" <norm2mac(at)gmail.com> |
I can't find these engines for sale in the U.K. (where I am). At those prices they
would've been snapped up.
The "Haverfordwest" phone number has a Glasgow area code and the "Belmont" a Swansea
one.
The U.K. has been plagued with thefts of 912 engines from aircraft over the last
year.
Ross
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476353#476353
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| Subject: | Re: 912 ULS for sale |
| From: | SugarDad <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
Might be a reward ?....If I live in England; I think I would copy and
paste the ads to the pertinent police departments...Herb
On 12/12/2017 06:31 AM, normros wrote:
>
> I can't find these engines for sale in the U.K. (where I am). At those prices
they would've been snapped up.
> The "Haverfordwest" phone number has a Glasgow area code and the "Belmont" a
Swansea one.
> The U.K. has been plagued with thefts of 912 engines from aircraft over the last
year.
>
> Ross
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476353#476353
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 912 ULS for sale |
| From: | "normros" <norm2mac(at)gmail.com> |
Most of the thefts are from strips in the south east corner of England - so by
morning they would probably be across the channel onto the continent.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476359#476359
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| From: | John Darke <jbdarke(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Mark III transport |
Any ideas on how to load a Mark III Xtra into a 26 foot moving truck.
--
*John Darke, 72 Sabal Drive - Punta Gorda, FL 33950 - 941-676-0429*
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Mark III transport |
| From: | SugarDad <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
Lot easier if the truck is sitting still....:-)
I would go nose first...secure the main gear to the floor with straps
that go under 2X2's that are screwed to the floor in front and at the
rear of the wheels..
I would elevate the tail boom a bit in front of the horiz stab....on
a pedestal that is screwed to the floor... maybe 5 or 6 inches wide and
cushioned with thick foam or couch cushion.. Strap that ....
Drop the wings to the floor on Couch cushions leaving them attached
at the rear spar.... secure the wings with some long straps..
Herb
On 12/13/2017 06:56 AM, John Darke wrote:
> Any ideas on how to load a Mark III Xtra into a 26 foot moving truck.
>
> --
> /*JohnDarke,72 Sabal Drive- Punta Gorda, FL 33950 -941-676-0429*/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III transport |
=C2-the wings want to drag on the ground if you run them up a ramp that i
s too steep, I like to put the tail under a 5 gallon bucket and always use
pipe insulation around the tail and ailerons . also saran packing wrap help
s hold thing together without=C2- chaffing .and never store things inside
the fuselage that can shift and poke holes in the fabric.=C2-Malcolm & J
eanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair http://michigansportpilotrepair.comLSRM-A, PPC,
WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
From: SugarDad <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III transport
Lot easier if the truck is sitting still....:-)=C2-=C2-
=C2- I would go nose first...secure the main gear to the floor with str
aps that go under 2X2's that are screwed to the floor in front and at the r
ear of the wheels.. =C2- I would elevate the tail boom a bit in front of
the horiz stab....on a pedestal that is screwed to the floor... maybe 5 or
6 inches wide and cushioned with thick foam or couch cushion.. Strap that .
... =C2-=C2- Drop the wings to the floor on Couch cushions leaving them
attached at the rear spar.... secure the wings with some long straps..=C2
-
=C2-=C2- Herb
On 12/13/2017 06:56 AM, John Darke wrote:
Any ideas on how to load a Mark III Xtra into a 26 foot moving truck.=C2
-=C2-
--
John=C2-Darke,=C2-72 Sabal Drive=C2-- Punta Gorda, FL 33950 -=C2
-941-676-0429
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Russ Kinne <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III transport |
FWIW - I hang the wings on the walls. tailwheel rides in a track between
2 2x2=99s screwed to the floor.Electric winch hauls Xtra into
trailer. Strap down mains, put boom tube non a strong suppport & lash
down. Struts, center section hang on walls too
> On Dec 13, 2017, at 7:56 AM, John Darke > wrote:
>
> Any ideas on how to load a Mark III Xtra into a 26 foot moving truck.
>
> --
> John Darke, 72 Sabal Drive - Punta Gorda, FL 33950 - 941-676-0429
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Darke <jbdarke(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III transport |
Thanks for that Herb and Russ. I assume ramps would be need to lift it
into the truck (or a couple of weight lifters)?
On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:45 AM, SugarDad wrote:
> Lot easier if the truck is sitting still....:-)
>
> I would go nose first...secure the main gear to the floor with straps
> that go under 2X2's that are screwed to the floor in front and at the rear
> of the wheels..
>
> I would elevate the tail boom a bit in front of the horiz stab....on a
> pedestal that is screwed to the floor... maybe 5 or 6 inches wide and
> cushioned with thick foam or couch cushion.. Strap that ....
>
> Drop the wings to the floor on Couch cushions leaving them attached at
> the rear spar.... secure the wings with some long straps..
>
> Herb
>
> On 12/13/2017 06:56 AM, John Darke wrote:
>
> Any ideas on how to load a Mark III Xtra into a 26 foot moving truck.
>
> --
> *John Darke, 72 Sabal Drive - Punta Gorda, FL 33950 - 941-676-0429
> <(941)%20676-0429>*
>
>
--
*John Darke, 72 Sabal Drive - Punta Gorda, FL 33950 - 941-676-0429*
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Mark III transport |
| From: | SugarDad <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
Yep!! Ramps are good...the problem, is with dragging the wings and tail
boom...as the plane moves forward...Being able to back the truck into a
berm...is much mo' better...Herb
On 12/13/2017 11:15 AM, John Darke wrote:
> Thanks for that Herb and Russ. I assume ramps would be need to lift
> it into the truck (or a couple of weight lifters)?
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:45 AM, SugarDad > wrote:
>
> Lot easier if the truck is sitting still....:-)
>
> I would go nose first...secure the main gear to the floor with
> straps that go under 2X2's that are screwed to the floor in front
> and at the rear of the wheels..
>
> I would elevate the tail boom a bit in front of the horiz
> stab....on a pedestal that is screwed to the floor... maybe 5 or 6
> inches wide and cushioned with thick foam or couch cushion.. Strap
> that ....
>
> Drop the wings to the floor on Couch cushions leaving them
> attached at the rear spar.... secure the wings with some long
> straps..
>
> Herb
>
>
> On 12/13/2017 06:56 AM, John Darke wrote:
>> Any ideas on how to load a Mark III Xtra into a 26 foot moving
>> truck.
>>
>> --
>> /*JohnDarke,72 Sabal Drive- Punta Gorda, FL 33950 -
>> 941-676-0429 */
>
>
> --
> /*JohnDarke,72 Sabal Drive- Punta Gorda, FL 33950 -941-676-0429*/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Darke <jbdarke(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III transport |
Yes sir makes sense. Got an idea on how to get some dual time in a Mark
III?
On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 12:27 PM, SugarDad wrote:
> Yep!! Ramps are good...the problem, is with dragging the wings and tail
> boom...as the plane moves forward...Being able to back the truck into a
> berm...is much mo' better...Herb
>
> On 12/13/2017 11:15 AM, John Darke wrote:
>
> Thanks for that Herb and Russ. I assume ramps would be need to lift it
> into the truck (or a couple of weight lifters)?
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:45 AM, SugarDad wrote:
>
>> Lot easier if the truck is sitting still....:-)
>>
>> I would go nose first...secure the main gear to the floor with straps
>> that go under 2X2's that are screwed to the floor in front and at the rear
>> of the wheels..
>>
>> I would elevate the tail boom a bit in front of the horiz stab....on a
>> pedestal that is screwed to the floor... maybe 5 or 6 inches wide and
>> cushioned with thick foam or couch cushion.. Strap that ....
>>
>> Drop the wings to the floor on Couch cushions leaving them attached at
>> the rear spar.... secure the wings with some long straps..
>>
>> Herb
>>
>> On 12/13/2017 06:56 AM, John Darke wrote:
>>
>> Any ideas on how to load a Mark III Xtra into a 26 foot moving truck.
>>
>> --
>> *John Darke, 72 Sabal Drive - Punta Gorda, FL 33950 -
>> 941-676-0429
>> <%28941%29%20676-0429>*
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *John Darke, 72 Sabal Drive - Punta Gorda, FL 33950 - 941-676-0429
> <(941)%20676-0429>*
>
>
--
*John Darke, 72 Sabal Drive - Punta Gorda, FL 33950 - 941-676-0429*
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III transport |
Dual time is good especially if you=99re a GA pilot.
Those big trucks can give your mklll a rough ride and worst in the back. Be
sure to support the wings where they attach to the universal joints.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW MKlll
On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 11:17 AM John Darke wrote:
> Yes sir makes sense. Got an idea on how to get some dual time in a Mark
> III?
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 12:27 PM, SugarDad wrote:
>
>> Yep!! Ramps are good...the problem, is with dragging the wings and tail
>> boom...as the plane moves forward...Being able to back the truck into a
>> berm...is much mo' better...Herb
>>
>> On 12/13/2017 11:15 AM, John Darke wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for that Herb and Russ. I assume ramps would be need to lift it
>> into the truck (or a couple of weight lifters)?
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:45 AM, SugarDad wrote:
>>
>>> Lot easier if the truck is sitting still....:-)
>>>
>>> I would go nose first...secure the main gear to the floor with straps
>>> that go under 2X2's that are screwed to the floor in front and at the r
ear
>>> of the wheels..
>>>
>>> I would elevate the tail boom a bit in front of the horiz stab....on
a
>>> pedestal that is screwed to the floor... maybe 5 or 6 inches wide and
>>> cushioned with thick foam or couch cushion.. Strap that ....
>>>
>>> Drop the wings to the floor on Couch cushions leaving them attached
>>> at the rear spar.... secure the wings with some long straps..
>>>
>>> Herb
>>>
>>> On 12/13/2017 06:56 AM, John Darke wrote:
>>>
>>> Any ideas on how to load a Mark III Xtra into a 26 foot moving truck.
>>>
>>> --
>>> *John Darke, 72 Sabal Drive - Punta Gorda, FL 33950
>>> -
>>> 941-676-0429
>>> <%28941%29%20676-0429>*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *John Darke, 72 Sabal Drive - Punta Gorda, FL 33950
>> -
>> 941-676-0429
>> <(941)%20676-0429>*
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *John Darke, 72 Sabal Drive - Punta Gorda, FL 33950
> - 941
> -676-0429*
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III transport |
Wouldn=99t it be better to hang the wings on the wall I a couple piece
s of carpet ?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 13, 2017, at 8:45 AM, SugarDad wrote:
>
> Lot easier if the truck is sitting still....:-)
> I would go nose first...secure the main gear to the floor with straps th
at go under 2X2's that are screwed to the floor in front and at the rear of t
he wheels..
>
> I would elevate the tail boom a bit in front of the horiz stab....on a p
edestal that is screwed to the floor... maybe 5 or 6 inches wide and cushion
ed with thick foam or couch cushion.. Strap that ....
>
> Drop the wings to the floor on Couch cushions leaving them attached at t
he rear spar.... secure the wings with some long straps..
> Herb
>
>> On 12/13/2017 06:56 AM, John Darke wrote:
>> Any ideas on how to load a Mark III Xtra into a 26 foot moving truck.
>>
>> --
>> John Darke, 72 Sabal Drive - Punta Gorda, FL 33950 - 941-676-0429
>
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| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Western Most Kolb Flyer? |
Hello Kolber,
The last time I knew, I believe that the western most Kolb flyer was Henry on the
Island of Maui. Wondering if anyone is in contact with him, and knows if he
is still there?
Thanks,
Nick Cassara
2nd most Western Kolb
Palmer, Alaska
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Western Most Kolb Flyer? |
Nick- I am not positive, but I think he died in a crash some years ago.
Bill Sullivan
--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 12/23/17, Nick Cassara wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: Western Most Kolb Flyer?
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Saturday, December 23, 2017, 1:43 PM
Cassara
Hello Kolber,
The last time I knew, I believe that
the western most Kolb flyer was Henry on the Island of
Maui. Wondering if anyone is in contact with him, and knows
if he is still there?
Thanks,
Nick Cassara
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Western Most Kolb Flyer? |
| From: | SugarDad <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
I recall a Kolb guy dying in a Sailplane on one of the Islands...Herb
On 12/23/2017 03:09 PM, william sullivan wrote:
>
> Nick- I am not positive, but I think he died in a crash some years ago.
>
> Bill Sullivan
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sat, 12/23/17, Nick Cassara wrote:
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Western Most Kolb Flyer?
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Saturday, December 23, 2017, 1:43 PM
>
> Cassara
>
> Hello Kolber,
>
> The last time I knew, I believe that
> the western most Kolb flyer was Henry on the Island of
> Maui. Wondering if anyone is in contact with him, and knows
> if he is still there?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Cassara
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Western Most Kolb Flyer? |
| From: | SugarDad <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
Dave Bigelow
https://www.nationalparkstraveler.org/2009/01/fatal-glider-crash-hawaii-volcanoes-national-park
On 12/23/2017 04:20 PM, SugarDad wrote:
> I recall a Kolb guy dying in a Sailplane on one of the Islands...Herb
>
>
> On 12/23/2017 03:09 PM, william sullivan wrote:
>>
>>
>> Nick- I am not positive, but I think he died in a crash some years
>> ago.
>>
>> Bill Sullivan
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Sat, 12/23/17, Nick Cassara wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Kolb-List: Western Most Kolb Flyer?
>> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>> Date: Saturday, December 23, 2017, 1:43 PM
>> Cassara
>> Hello Kolber,
>> The last time I knew, I believe that
>> the western most Kolb flyer was Henry on the Island of
>> Maui. Wondering if anyone is in contact with him, and knows
>> if he is still there?
>> Thanks,
>> Nick Cassara
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Western Most Kolb Flyer? |
| From: | SugarDad <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
Here is a link showing Dave's pic...I am pretty sure he was sometime
active on the list...Wanna say a Firestar with HKS?? Herb
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2009/Jan/20/ln/hawaii901200359.html
On 12/23/2017 12:43 PM, Nick Cassara wrote:
>
> Hello Kolber,
>
> The last time I knew, I believe that the western most Kolb flyer was Henry on
the Island of Maui. Wondering if anyone is in contact with him, and knows if
he is still there?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Cassara
> 2nd most Western Kolb
> Palmer, Alaska
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Western Most Kolb Flyer? |
That was Jet Pilot's uncle that died in a glider while attempting an altitude record.
Few years ago Henry joined us at the Rock House for our annual fly in.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of william sullivan
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Western Most Kolb Flyer?
-->
Nick- I am not positive, but I think he died in a crash some years ago.
Bill Sullivan
--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 12/23/17, Nick Cassara wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: Western Most Kolb Flyer?
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Saturday, December 23, 2017, 1:43 PM
Cassara
Hello Kolber,
The last time I knew, I believe that
the western most Kolb flyer was Henry on the Island of Maui. Wondering if anyone
is in contact with him, and knows if he is still there?
Thanks,
Nick Cassara
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Merry Christmas day |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Twenty nine degrees and breezy here in NE Tennessee, but since the hangar doors
are made of Lexan and the sun is shining, today will be a good day to get the
new gap seal finished on the Firefly, because tomorrow is forecast for sunny
and calm.
Merry Christmas to all my friends on the Kolb list.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and Grace really is amazing.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476766#476766
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Merry Christmas day |
Merry Christmas, Richard, and all the rest of my Kolb buddies.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2017 10:07 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Merry Christmas day
-->
Twenty nine degrees and breezy here in NE Tennessee, but since the hangar
doors are made of Lexan and the sun is shining, today will be a good day to
get the new gap seal finished on the Firefly, because tomorrow is forecast
for sunny and calm.
Merry Christmas to all my friends on the Kolb list.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and Grace really is
amazing.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476766#476766
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Merry Christmas day |
| From: | SugarDad <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
Merry Christmas to you too Richard....Herb
by the way...I have a new canvas gap seal... Haven't a clue how I
came by it?
On 12/25/2017 10:07 AM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> Twenty nine degrees and breezy here in NE Tennessee, but since the hangar doors
are made of Lexan and the sun is shining, today will be a good day to get the
new gap seal finished on the Firefly, because tomorrow is forecast for sunny
and calm.
> Merry Christmas to all my friends on the Kolb list.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and Grace really is amazing.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476766#476766
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Merry Christmas to all. |
| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
Merry Christmas to all!
-1* and dropping here in Minnesota.
If you can get outside to your Kolb today and fly, I think I need to move there...
--------
West1m
Hastings, MN
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476772#476772
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Merry Christmas to all. |
Merry Christmas fellow Kolb flyers. Seeings how were talking weather. Here in northern
Michigan its 12 degrees F. The windchill is -6.1 degrees and the snowing
a coming down sideways. Im envious of anyone whos can get in their Kolbs and
go flying. That wont be happening here until at least April, but probably May.
Be careful out there. George
George Helton
Firestar FS100
14GDH
Mesick, Michigan
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 25, 2017, at 1:36 PM, west1m wrote:
>
>
> Merry Christmas to all!
> -1* and dropping here in Minnesota.
> If you can get outside to your Kolb today and fly, I think I need to move there...
>
> --------
> West1m
> Hastings, MN
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476772#476772
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Wayne Schneider <jwaynes(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Merry Christmas day |
Merry Christmas to all!! It=99s 52 F and sunny here. 2 mph breeze.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Darke <jbdarke(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Merry Christmas day |
Dittos from Punta Gorda, FL where we are enjoying a sunny 77 and clear
skies.
On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Richard Pike
wrote:
>
> Twenty nine degrees and breezy here in NE Tennessee, but since the hangar
> doors are made of Lexan and the sun is shining, today will be a good day to
> get the new gap seal finished on the Firefly, because tomorrow is forecast
> for sunny and calm.
> Merry Christmas to all my friends on the Kolb list.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and Grace really is
> amazing.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476766#476766
>
>
--
*John Darke, 72 Sabal Drive - Punta Gorda, FL 33950 - 941-676-0429*
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jhankin(at)planters.net |
| Subject: | Re: Merry Christmas day |
On Monday 25/12/2017 at 3:41 pm, John Darke wrote:
>
>
> Dittos from Punta Gorda, FL where we are enjoying a sunny 77 and clear
> skies.
>
> On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Richard Pike
> wrote:
>
>
> Twenty nine degrees and breezy here in NE Tennessee, but since the
> hangar doors are made of Lexan and the sun is shining, today will be a
> good day to get the new gap seal finished on the Firefly, because
> tomorrow is forecast for sunny and calm.
> Merry Christmas to all my friends on the Kolb list.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and Grace really is
> amazing.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Merry Christmas day |
To my friends on the Kolb list, Merry Christmas and a joyous holiday season! I
hope Santa Claus has brought all of you a shiny new Garmin G5 :)
May 2018 be better than 2017, and may all of your Kolbs fly as fast as you want,
as slow as you want, and above all may your Kolbs (and other airplanes) fly
safe and have fun!
Some of you guys are gonna shoot me for saying this, but on Christmas Day it's
75 degree T-shirt weather here currently in crazy old Los Angeles. Anyone who
wants to bring hteir Kolb out and fly here in the warm air, just let me know and
I'll get you set up at the right airport and help you stay out of the crowded
airspace.
Bill Berle
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www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Mon, 12/25/17, wrote:
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Merry Christmas day
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, December 25, 2017, 2:14 PM
On Monday 25/12/2017 at 3:41 pm, John
Darke wrote:
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>
> Dittos from Punta Gorda, FL where
we are enjoying a sunny 77 and clear
> skies.
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> On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 11:07 AM,
Richard Pike
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> Twenty nine degrees and breezy
here in NE Tennessee, but since the
> hangar doors are made of Lexan and
the sun is shining, today will be a
> good day to get the new gap seal
finished on the Firefly, because
> tomorrow is forecast for sunny and
calm.
> Merry Christmas to all my friends
on the Kolb list.
>
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> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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> Forgiving is tough, being forgiven
is wonderful, and Grace really is
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| From: | Robert Lobdell <robpen5557(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Merry Christmas day |
Wow the Kolb flyers are a Great bunch. Merry Christmas from Waskom Texas
to each and every one.
Flying is the second greatest thill known to man. Landing is the first!
On Dec 25, 2017 6:15 PM, "Bill Berle" wrote:
>
> To my friends on the Kolb list, Merry Christmas and a joyous holiday
> season! I hope Santa Claus has brought all of you a shiny new Garmin G5 :)
>
> May 2018 be better than 2017, and may all of your Kolbs fly as fast as you
> want, as slow as you want, and above all may your Kolbs (and other
> airplanes) fly safe and have fun!
>
> Some of you guys are gonna shoot me for saying this, but on Christmas Day
> it's 75 degree T-shirt weather here currently in crazy old Los Angeles.
> Anyone who wants to bring hteir Kolb out and fly here in the warm air, just
> let me know and I'll get you set up at the right airport and help you stay
> out of the crowded airspace.
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and
> for-profit entities
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 12/25/17, wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Merry Christmas day
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Monday, December 25, 2017, 2:14 PM
>
>
> On Monday 25/12/2017 at 3:41 pm, John
> Darke wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dittos from Punta Gorda, FL where
> we are enjoying a sunny 77 and clear
> > skies.
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 11:07 AM,
> Richard Pike
> >
> wrote:
> > --> Kolb-List message posted
> by: "Richard Pike"
> >
> >
> > Twenty nine degrees and breezy
> here in NE Tennessee, but since the
> > hangar doors are made of Lexan and
> the sun is shining, today will be a
> > good day to get the new gap seal
> finished on the Firefly, because
> > tomorrow is forecast for sunny and
> calm.
> > Merry Christmas to all my friends
> on the Kolb list.
> >
> > --------
> > Richard Pike
> > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> > Kingsport, TN 3TN0
> >
> > Forgiving is tough, being forgiven
> is wonderful, and Grace really is
> > amazing.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Baby has new shoes |
| From: | "Steeve77" <steevejackson73(at)gmail.com> |
This one is good.
Read this topic online here:
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Baby has new shoes |
Glad that you liked it.
Larry
On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Steeve77 wrote:
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> This one is good.
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| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Baby has new shoes |
Larry I have a question about your videos. First, THANK YOU for taking the time
to make those videos and share them. I appreciate it. Helps keep me going on
my Kolb project.
What I notice in the videos that you have posted is that the airplane seems to
be taking off and landing at a much higher speed than what I had imagined. when
I read Kolb list posts about the STOL performance of a Kolb, I am seeing numbers
like high 20's to low 30 mph minimum flight speed depending on VG's and aircraft
weight.
The videos that you shared show takeoff distances and liftoff speeds much greater
than those other reported numbers. Areyou allowing a lot of extra speed and/or
distance becauseyou have a long strip... or am I mistaken about the HKS powered
Firestar's STOL capability?
This is NOT to disrespect the Kolb design or your piloting ability, NOT AT ALL.
My question is only because the whole reason I wanted to fly a Kolb in the first
place is that I wanted to do the unbelieveable STOL flying that you see the
guys doing in Alaska with the Super Cubs, but on a poor man's budget.
Can a Firestar 2 witrh the HKS engine actually achieve the STOL performance that
the website / brochure promises?
Bill Berle
Kolb Firestar 2 / HKS 700E almost ready... almost...
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Wed, 12/27/17, Larry Cottrell wrote:
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Baby has new shoes
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com"
Date: Wednesday, December 27, 2017, 9:47 PM
Glad that you liked
it.Larry
On Wed, Dec 27, 2017
at 9:52 PM, Steeve77
wrote:
"Steeve77"
This one is good.
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| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | My Firestar Project Update |
FINALLY figured out how to compress the photos from my camera down to a siz
e that can go out on the Kolb Mail List !
Attached are three photos.
My new Super-STOL high AoA landing gear, steel legs taken from a damaged Ko
lb Slingshot, equipped with beautiful huge bushwheels thanks to the generos
ity of a well known Kolber.
My new stainless 2 into 1 exhaust system for the HKS engine, fabricated and
partially tack-welded together.
A close-up of the upper part of the exhaust, where the pipes have to bend i
mmediately inboard, in order to clear the trailing edge of the wing s when
folded.
I just got the stainless screen material for my homebuilt "Swiss Muffler",
rounded up the fiberglass cloth absorbent material "stuffing",a nd I'm wait
ing for the aluminum tube outer casing. The muffler will be 4 inches OD by
48 inches long. I hope to have the quietest ultralight/LSA style aircraft p
ossible.
Bill Berle FS2 / HKS 700E, almost complete...almost...almost
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On Wed, 12/27/17, Larry Cottrell wrote:
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Baby has new shoes
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com"
Date: Wednesday, December 27, 2017, 9:47 PM
Glad that you liked
it.Larry
On Wed, Dec 27, 2017
at 9:52 PM, Steeve77
wrote:
"Steeve77"
This one is good.
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