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with my feet. OTOH, Gene's has a full frame and we are trying to keep
the weight down and keep it Part 103 legal. With no frame, it was way
too flexible.
So here is the result, pivots in the front, uses minimal hardware, just
enough to keep it in shape. When you pull it down into flight position,
a pin fits through the aft original windshield mounting tab on the
fuselage frame, one on each side.
Once the pins are in place, the lever swings down to keep them from
pulling back out. Locks everything in place.
Had to modify the fairing with big mounting pads to make the windshield
pivot points parallel with the side of the fairing, otherwise the
windshield bulged out with a big gap along the sides.
Now I just need the weather to warm up and calm down, and we can try out
the new windshield and the new engine - we also swapped out the free air
277 for a fan cooled one. Assuming that everything works OK, then we
modify the 277 to dual ignition.
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| Subject: | Cost to scratch build Ultrastar airframe? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3c(at)bellsouth.net> |
Greetings,
Since Kolb sells the plans for the Ultrastar now, has anyone tried to add up the
materials cost to build one? Any rough guess at what the materials would cost?
Also, assuming you're in driving distance of Kolb, would you figure it would
be about as cheap to buy the materials from them as to buy them somewhere
else? There is a very small, yet non-zero chance I might consider building one,
so it would be interesting if someone has made a recent estimate of the costs.
Still looking for a Slingshot carcass BTW.
Cheers,
Rusty
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| Subject: | Re: Cost to scratch build Ultrastar airframe? |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
Just buy a set of plans, get an Aircraft Spruce catalog, make up a bill of material
and add it up.
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| Subject: | Help with FS Wing Gap Seal |
| From: | "slingshot003" <i2bxtn(at)gmail.com> |
I purchased a FS KXP which has a permanently mounted lexon gap seal that bolts
into place. The builder never unfolded the plane, but I will be. I purchased
some clear vinyl & Velcro to make a new gap seal. Presently the leading edge
of the wings rest on & nearly touch the hoop that is above the pilots head when
the pins are in place. Here are my questions:
1) How far back under the wing is the gap seal suppose to go?
2) With the leading edge of wing almost touching the hoop, does the gap seal go
under the hoop or is it somehow held in place on top of the hoop & then the wings
folded on top of the gap seal? Either way, I am six feet tall & with a helmet,
I would be nearly touching it or maybe even slightly above the hoop height.
Anyone have this problem?
3) Complicating things, the full length windshield rests on the top front edge
of the hoop for support against the wind pressure. It is only secured to the
nose cone. This setup may be incompatible with folding the folding wing process.
My hoop doesnt have any of the tabs that allow the windshield side supports
which run to the nosecone like many of the Firestars have.
I eventually want to go to a full enclosure for the front. But for now, I would
like to just come up with a gap seal that will allow me to fly for awhile.
Any suggestions would be appreciated. Richard Swiderski
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | pinging John Hauck |
Hey John,
Aren't you close to Wetumpka? Hoping y'all are all ok after the tornado.
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| From: | Pfatchantz <Pfatchantz(at)protonmail.ch> |
| Subject: | Re: Cost to scratch build Ultrastar airframe? |
My thoughts, having owned and rebuilt an Ultra Star; Never flown...but am t
old that it is the best flyer of the whole Kolb stable..neutral thrust for
one..Per Hauck...
for starters.very minimal fuselage..the Firestar gear is a definite good
mod...the low to the ground prop is always in danger of nicks...the Cuyana
engine was good for the time..but I am told that it tended to leak between
the thin case halves..Electronic ign on the UL 202 , made for easy starts e
ven being inverted. If I had another one, I might try large bicycle wheels
to improve prop clearance. The fuel tanks worked but could be improved on
today..
All in all...not a good plane to build these days...Likely many sitting h
ere and there not flown for years...I would place a want ad on Barnstormers
. $1000 dollars or more plus shipping for two wing spars makes me shiver..
.then again...so does the price of hamburger! :-)
I gave 1k for mine as a project...the cuyana engine is not worth much...v
ery old...35 to 40 years old I think? The 377 or 447 should work. They are
old too!! Hirth seems to have mended their reputation...so should be consid
ered given that KOlb is using them..
I bought the Firestar II for 6k...with high time 503...and I do not dou
bt that you would spend as much building a US...
Two Fireflys sold on Barnstormers some time ago for 6 or 7k as I recall.
.for both..from the same seller...I could not get a picture before someone
, more local beat me to them..Minnesota? but I would have paid shipping...
and still have come out...A good Firefly with low time engine is worth 9 to
10 k in my book.
I have a boom tube, tail feathers and wings for a Firestar... I want to t
urn them into some sort of hybrid not unlike the US...but with a wooden fus
elage..
Here is what can be done with a bit of imagination...Bill Bronson's Kolb
parts used in a half vw tractor config...Herb
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> Just buy a set of plans, get an Aircraft Spruce catalog, make up a bill o
f material and add it up.
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487099#487099
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| Subject: | Re: Cost to scratch build Ultrastar airframe? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3c(at)bellsouth.net> |
Thanks for the great comments Herb. I pretty much suspect that you can buy most
of these planes used for less than the cost of the materials, or at least that's
how it works when I sell something.
For years, I've wanted to build a steel tube fuselage for some odd reason, and
I like the Kolb construction. Unfortunately, the US is the only model they offer
full plans for. I may very well buy the plans, since they are available,
but I might save it for a future project.
As for combo planes, I also have a set of Airbike plans, and thought about maybe
combining the Airbike fuselage with Kolb wings (because I don't care for wood
construction). Somehow it seems a little too life threatening to eyeball something
like that.
I'll keep looking around, and see what I can come up with for Kolb projects.
Cheers,
Rusty
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| Subject: | Re: Help with FS Wing Gap Seal |
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
slingshot003 wrote:
> I purchased a FS KXP .
>
> . s . n . i . p .
>
> Here are my questions:
>
> . s . n . i . p .
>
> ... I am six feet tall & with a helmet, I would be nearly touching it or maybe
even slightly above the hoop height. Anyone have this problem?
>
> . s . n . i . p .
>
> Richard Swiderski
Richard: I had an Original FS with an aluminum/polycarbonate gap seal that went
a little over a foot back on the bottom side. I am 6' 2+" with a fairly long
torso. A friend had a similar situation (not as tall but a longer torso) in
his Original FS. I think Dennis Souder came up with a solution (which I copied).
Cut a hole in the underside of the gap seal big enough to receive an inverted
10" aluminum pie pan. That was deep enough to give you an additional 1"
plus head room. The angled sides of the pie pan didn't offer any significant
restriction for head movement.
The best picture I could find is attached. Not very clear but you can see that
the top of my helmet is above the bottom surface of the wing.
Good luck!
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FS II R503
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| From: | Pfatchantz <Pfatchantz(at)protonmail.ch> |
| Subject: | Re: Cost to scratch build Ultrastar airframe? |
just sold an airbike and for an instant, I considered using the Firestar wings...7
rib...
I never want to build another set of wood wings....!!
The best flying plane I have had is the N3 Pup...The landing gear is a bit too
lite for my long strip...and I landed too fast...went long and hit a rise
that collapsed the left gear leg... Sits in storage waiting for the mood to strike..
I liked the Fireflys a lot...and would trade the FS II for one...Reg. EAB....waiting
for the Gov shut down to end to get the paper work back from Oak city..
Herb
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On Sunday, January 20, 2019 3:25 PM, 13brv3 <13brv3c(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the great comments Herb. I pretty much suspect that you can buy most
of these planes used for less than the cost of the materials, or at least that's
how it works when I sell something.
>
> For years, I've wanted to build a steel tube fuselage for some odd reason, and
I like the Kolb construction. Unfortunately, the US is the only model they offer
full plans for. I may very well buy the plans, since they are available,
but I might save it for a future project.
>
> As for combo planes, I also have a set of Airbike plans, and thought about maybe
combining the Airbike fuselage with Kolb wings (because I don't care for wood
construction). Somehow it seems a little too life threatening to eyeball something
like that.
>
> I'll keep looking around, and see what I can come up with for Kolb projects.
>
> Cheers,
> Rusty
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487106#487106
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| Subject: | Re: Cost to scratch build Ultrastar airframe? |
| From: | "DavidGerdeman" <davidrgerdeman(at)gmail.com> |
Rusty,
I bought a set of Slingshot plans from the factory last year and built up a material
list to price. All the AL tube, not including the Spars and boom tube were
$1,380 from TWMetals. I think that included shipping. I tried OnlineMetals
but they would not quote anything not listed on their site. I found a source of
6" x .058 but it was the wrong alloy. You can't find the 6" 6063 T6 except from
Kolb. I know they have to buy in bulk so I plan to buy from them if/when the
time comes.
I'm slowly learning SolidWorks as time allows but plan to finish the fuse cage
re-design this spring. Whether or not I build it, it will be a good project. You
know the plans don't show any steel fittings but most are available from the
factory based on the MKIII. I plan to lay it out with rear controls and a 25'
span. Call it a super stretch Slingshot or a clipped wing Kolbra and that's
what I'm after. Plan on running a 912 with Oratex 6000 covering. All calculations
are being performed and reviewed. I'm an engineer and have friends that worked
in Aerospace. Taking time to think is what we do. :-)
So figure $1,400 for small pipe, $1,500 for big pipe, Maybe $500 for 4130 steel
tubing. That's $3,400 plus all the little bits to hold it all together. Add a
$10,000 engine and $2000 in covering.... I think it would be a fun project but
it's getting as pricey as a nicely appointed Sonex.
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| From: | Pfatchantz <Pfatchantz(at)protonmail.ch> |
| Subject: | Re: Cost to scratch build Ultrastar airframe? |
Rusty
by now everyone knows I am tigh...er Frugal....I bought the yellow sling shot
shown on the factory site for $6500 as I recall...High time 582.
I say...simply..bide your time and buy used..near a third of the price of new
many times.. Covering is simple on Kolbs and reasonably cheap and a good way
to do value added...
Oddly, the list of kolbs for sale on Barnstormers is minimal now...usually two
pages...Could be someone is buying them and refurbishing? Would be a good business...Might
be going over seas?? That happened in the Sailplane business when
the dollar was cheap...relative to European currencies..
I had dibs on a MkIII maybe an extra? Forgetful. with a low time 912s , certified
engine for 13k...Did not want to go to West Va. to pick it up...bad decision
to be sure...Guy in Pa. who bought it priced the engine for 13k on Barnstormers...:-)
Herb
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On Monday, January 21, 2019 10:50 AM, DavidGerdeman
wrote:
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> Rusty,
> I bought a set of Slingshot plans from the factory last year and built up a material
list to price. All the AL tube, not including the Spars and boom tube
were $1,380 from TWMetals. I think that included shipping. I tried OnlineMetals
but they would not quote anything not listed on their site. I found a source
of 6" x .058 but it was the wrong alloy. You can't find the 6" 6063 T6 except
from Kolb. I know they have to buy in bulk so I plan to buy from them if/when
the time comes.
>
> I'm slowly learning SolidWorks as time allows but plan to finish the fuse cage
re-design this spring. Whether or not I build it, it will be a good project.
You know the plans don't show any steel fittings but most are available from
the factory based on the MKIII. I plan to lay it out with rear controls and a
25' span. Call it a super stretch Slingshot or a clipped wing Kolbra and that's
what I'm after. Plan on running a 912 with Oratex 6000 covering. All calculations
are being performed and reviewed. I'm an engineer and have friends that
worked in Aerospace. Taking time to think is what we do. :-)
>
> So figure $1,400 for small pipe, $1,500 for big pipe, Maybe $500 for 4130 steel
tubing. That's $3,400 plus all the little bits to hold it all together. Add
a $10,000 engine and $2000 in covering.... I think it would be a fun project
but it's getting as pricey as a nicely appointed Sonex.
>
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>
> Sometimes flying, sometimes planning, hopefully soon to be building.
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487136#487136
>
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Help with FS Wing Gap Seal |
I've attached several pictures of the gap seal/windshield fairing that I
built of composites for a MK IIIX. Gives you the general idea of what and
how I fit and built it. If you need more I can provide pictures to try and
answer questions.
Rick
On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 2:39 PM slingshot003 wrote:
>
> =C2=AC=C2=AC=C2=ACI purchased a FS KXP which has a permanently mounted le
xon gap seal
> that bolts into place. The builder never unfolded the plane, but I will
> be. I purchased some clear vinyl & Velcro to make a new gap seal.
> Presently the leading edge of the wings rest on & nearly touch the hoop
> that is above the pilot=99s head when the pins are in place. Here
are my
> questions:
>
> 1) How far back under the wing is the gap seal suppose to go?
> 2) With the leading edge of wing almost touching the hoop, does the
> gap seal go under the hoop or is it somehow held in place on top of the
> hoop & then the wings folded on top of the gap seal? Either way, I am si
x
> feet tall & with a helmet, I would be nearly touching it or maybe even
> slightly above the hoop height. Anyone have this problem?
> 3) Complicating things, the full length windshield rests on the top
> front edge of the hoop for support against the wind pressure. It is only
> secured to the nose cone. This setup may be incompatible with folding th
e
> folding wing process. My hoop doesn=99t have any of the tabs that
allow the
> windshield side supports which run to the nosecone like many of the
> Firestars have.
> I eventually want to go to a full enclosure for the front. But for now,
I
> would like to just come up with a gap seal that will allow me to fly for
> awhile. Any suggestions would be appreciated. =93Richard Swiderski
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487100#487100
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| Subject: | Re: Cost to scratch build Ultrastar airframe? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3c(at)bellsouth.net> |
Hi David,
Great first post! Thanks for the figures. I'd much rather talk about building
a Slingshot than an Ultrastar :-)
I have a set of Slingshot plans also, and had figured that many of the parts will
be the same as the Mk3. That should save some of the tedious welding, and
give Kolb some business in the process. I'm only about 100 miles away, so I'd
be inclined to just buy the raw materials from them as well if there wasn't a
huge difference in price. I figure it's worth a few extra bucks to keep these
guys in business.
I have a large number of Slingshot frame pictures, but no actual dimensions for
the steel tubing or frame. The good news is that much of the cage isn't that
critical as far as dimensions go. I'd want to duplicate the wing, engine, tail
tube, and landing gear mountings as close as possible, but the less structural
bits that hang off the front can probably safely vary some.
For your purposes, I wonder why you're not starting with a Kolbra. That probably
seems closer to what you want than the SS. I want single place, and will probably
use the HKS engine. I have an RV-3B that goes nowhere fast, so I think
I'll be happy going nowhere at half that speed.
Feel free to drop me an email if you want to chat more about this offline.
Cheers,
Rusty
13brv3(at)gmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Cost to scratch build Ultrastar airframe? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3c(at)bellsouth.net> |
Pfatchantz(at)protonmail. wrote:
> Rusty
>
> by now everyone knows I am tigh...er Frugal....I bought the yellow sling
shot shown on the factory site for $6500 as I recall...High time 582.
>
> I say...simply..bide your time and buy used..near a third of the price of
new many times.. Covering is simple on Kolbs and reasonably cheap and a good
way to do value added...
Herb,
I'm still looking for an airframe, and I have a line on one that will likely come
up for sale at some point. I'd still like more of a project ideally, particularly
if it's cheaper, but I do realize what deals you can get on used aircraft
at times. If I find a complete airframe at a good price, I'll likely grab
it, then focus my project needs on something else, like maybe an electric plane.
Cheers,
Rusty
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| Subject: | Re: Help with FS Wing Gap Seal |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Here are the gap seal plans for the MKIII, but the lengths are about the same,
obviously the width is different. The gap seal starts on sheet 30.
http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/Lexan%20rear%20enclosure.html
The idea of riveting an upside down aluminum pan to the underside of the front
part sounds really good.
Here is the underside of the front of ours - I am 5' 10" and it is a tight fit
with a helmet. W/O the helmet it is a lot easier.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal (Ready for a test flight on the new 277)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Cost to scratch build Ultrastar airframe? |
Rusty I have an airframe for sale that you might want to take a look at. It's a
Firestar 2 with the tall Slingshot landing gear. I tried to send you an e-mail
with photos but it came back as undeliverable with a bad address. If you would
be kind enough to sendme a direct e-mail (separate from the Kolb list) I will
be happy to send you photos and info on this airframe. victorbravo at sbcglobal
dot net
Bill Berle
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I'm still looking for an airframe, and I have a line on one that will likely come
up for sale at some point. I'd still like more of a project ideally, particularly
if it's cheaper, but I do realize what deals you can get on used aircraft
at times. If I find a complete airframe at a good price, I'll likely grab
it,
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| From: | Pfatchantz <Pfatchantz(at)protonmail.ch> |
| Subject: | Re: Cost to scratch build Ultrastar airframe? |
Meeee Toooo!!:-) Bill...Rusty has dibs certainly...but I have all the other parts...wings
boom tube gear legs tail feathers...so post some pics and a price...Herb
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On Monday, January 21, 2019 12:52 PM, Bill Berle wrote:
>
> Rusty I have an airframe for sale that you might want to take a look at. It's
a Firestar 2 with the tall Slingshot landing gear. I tried to send you an e-mail
with photos but it came back as undeliverable with a bad address. If you would
be kind enough to sendme a direct e-mail (separate from the Kolb list) I
will be happy to send you photos and info on this airframe. victorbravo at sbcglobal
dot net
>
> Bill Berle
>
>
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>
> On Mon, 1/21/19, Rusty wrote:
>
> I'm still looking for an airframe, and I have a line on one that will likely
come up for sale at some point. I'd still like more of a project ideally, particularly
if it's cheaper, but I do realize what deals you can get on used aircraft
at times. If I find a complete airframe at a good price, I'll likely grab
it,
>
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| From: | Pfatchantz <Pfatchantz(at)protonmail.ch> |
| Subject: | Re: Cost to scratch build Ultrastar airframe? |
David and Rusty
Cannot think of any reason to get in the rear seat of a Kolb Slingshot...!!
??? Same for the Firestar II...Maybe a pet dog :-) Nice place for some camping
gear however.
Herb
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On Monday, January 21, 2019 12:14 PM, 13brv3 <13brv3c(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
> Great first post! Thanks for the figures. I'd much rather talk about building
a Slingshot than an Ultrastar :-)
>
> I have a set of Slingshot plans also, and had figured that many of the parts
will be the same as the Mk3. That should save some of the tedious welding, and
give Kolb some business in the process. I'm only about 100 miles away, so I'd
be inclined to just buy the raw materials from them as well if there wasn't a
huge difference in price. I figure it's worth a few extra bucks to keep these
guys in business.
>
> I have a large number of Slingshot frame pictures, but no actual dimensions for
the steel tubing or frame. The good news is that much of the cage isn't that
critical as far as dimensions go. I'd want to duplicate the wing, engine, tail
tube, and landing gear mountings as close as possible, but the less structural
bits that hang off the front can probably safely vary some.
>
> For your purposes, I wonder why you're not starting with a Kolbra. That probably
seems closer to what you want than the SS. I want single place, and will probably
use the HKS engine. I have an RV-3B that goes nowhere fast, so I think
I'll be happy going nowhere at half that speed.
>
> Feel free to drop me an email if you want to chat more about this offline.
>
> Cheers,
> Rusty
> 13brv3(at)gmail.com
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487139#487139
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cost to scratch build Ultrastar airframe? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
I've had the pleasure (?) of riding in the back of a SS, but no one ever rode in
the back of mine. It makes a good place for a fuel tank.
Rusty (address maybe corrected)
Pfatchantz(at)protonmail. wrote:
> David and Rusty
>
> Cannot think of any reason to get in the rear seat of a Kolb Slingshot...!!
??? Same for the Firestar II...Maybe a pet dog :-) Nice place for some camping
gear however.
>
> Herb
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cost to scratch build Ultrastar airframe? |
| From: | "DavidGerdeman" <davidrgerdeman(at)gmail.com> |
It's true the Firestar and SS are really 1 1/2 person planes but I fly mostly by
myself now with a very rare passenger. I quit renting 172's and normally rent
a little 150/152 when I feel like just blasting around or playing in a cross
wind.
Thruth is I own plans for many planes and while the SS is very high on my list
of favorites, here in Ohio there isn't much to do with the low end of the speed
envelope. The $25k-$30k it will cost to complete can be a Sonex or even a Grumman
AA5. So my tinkering side wants to design the front cage just to clear my
head, guess we will see if anything comes of it.
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| From: | Pfatchantz <Pfatchantz(at)protonmail.ch> |
| Subject: | Re: Cost to scratch build Ultrastar airframe? |
wonder if anyone has tried a clipped wing Firestar?? Not so sure about a 22 foot
wing span...24?
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On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 8:07 AM, DavidGerdeman
wrote:
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> It's true the Firestar and SS are really 1 1/2 person planes but I fly mostly
by myself now with a very rare passenger. I quit renting 172's and normally rent
a little 150/152 when I feel like just blasting around or playing in a cross
wind.
>
> Thruth is I own plans for many planes and while the SS is very high on my list
of favorites, here in Ohio there isn't much to do with the low end of the speed
envelope. The $25k-$30k it will cost to complete can be a Sonex or even a
Grumman AA5. So my tinkering side wants to design the front cage just to clear
my head, guess we will see if anything comes of it.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Sometimes flying, sometimes planning, hopefully soon to be building.
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487168#487168
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cost to scratch build Ultrastar airframe? |
A Firefly is a clipped wing Firestar.
The Fire Fly and Sling Shot both have 22 foot wing span. Both fly very well.
I've flown passengers in the Sling Shot. Always enjoyed the quick roll rate of
both models. I flew the Sling Shot before I flew a Fire Fly. Was a little
apprehensive about those stubby little wings. My first flight was out of Oshkosh.
It seemed to take a lot of power to taxi and a little slow on the take off.
Also landed with a quick, short roll out. I mentioned this to Dennis Souder
when I landed. He reached under the seat and turned off the parking brake
with a big grin. After that, it ground handled much better. First Kolb I flew
with a parking brake. I didn't have a clue. Glad I didn't put this new aircraft
on its nose.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Cost to scratch build Ultrastar airframe?
wonder if anyone has tried a clipped wing Firestar?? Not so sure about a 22 foot
wing span...24?
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| Subject: | Re: Cost to scratch build Ultrastar airframe? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
I did quite a bit of searching for "clipped wing firestar", and it has been done,
but there wasn't much detail. I think you could come pretty close to a SS,
but it wouldn't have the stronger 6" tubes.
Rusty
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| From: | Pfatchantz <Pfatchantz(at)protonmail.ch> |
| Subject: | Re: Cost to scratch build Ultrastar airframe? |
Bet the nose cone wasn't 500 bucks back then..:-) I think the nose cone could
be abs molded...cost of the mold might be prohibitive..
Herb
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On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:32 AM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> A Firefly is a clipped wing Firestar.
>
> The Fire Fly and Sling Shot both have 22 foot wing span. Both fly very well.
I've flown passengers in the Sling Shot. Always enjoyed the quick roll rate of
both models. I flew the Sling Shot before I flew a Fire Fly. Was a little apprehensive
about those stubby little wings. My first flight was out of Oshkosh.
It seemed to take a lot of power to taxi and a little slow on the take off. Also
landed with a quick, short roll out. I mentioned this to Dennis Souder when
I landed. He reached under the seat and turned off the parking brake with a
big grin. After that, it ground handled much better. First Kolb I flew with a
parking brake. I didn't have a clue. Glad I didn't put this new aircraft on its
nose.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pfatchantz
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:12 AM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Cost to scratch build Ultrastar airframe?
>
>
> wonder if anyone has tried a clipped wing Firestar?? Not so sure about a 22 foot
wing span...24?
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cost to scratch build Ultrastar airframe? |
Don't think you can break a 5" tubular wing spar, especially on a 22' wing.
Don't know of anyone that has succeeded in breaking any Kolb wing spar, 5 or
6 inch.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:36 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Cost to scratch build Ultrastar airframe?
I did quite a bit of searching for "clipped wing firestar", and it has been
done, but there wasn't much detail. I think you could come pretty close to
a SS, but it wouldn't have the stronger 6" tubes.
Rusty
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| Subject: | Re: Cost to scratch build Ultrastar airframe? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
Agreed. I recently re-read the "flight test to destruction" article about what
it took to break an Ultrastar, and the wing was upgraded after that. It would
be really hard to break for sure.
Rusty
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| Subject: | Re: Help with FS Wing Gap Seal |
| From: | "slingshot003" <i2bxtn(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks to all who sent replies. I attached a pic of my gap seal. Do any of you
with a rigid gap seal have it set up so it stays in place & you just fold the
wings into it? As you can see from my picture, the wind shield rests on top
of the center section hoop and continues up about 1 1/2". With the center section
mounted, the wing leading edge tubes hit the front of the gap seal & prevents
the wing from mating with its anchoring pin. If the wing is first folded
all the way forward & pinned, then the wind shield sticking above he center section
hoop blocks the gap seal from being inserted. In order for this to have
worked, I am thinking the wind shield must have been put on after the gap seal
was installed. Maybe I am missing something here?
I might be able to use this gap seal if I cut the top of the wind shield flush
with the top of the hoop, but since the wind shield is not physically attached
to the hoop (only to the nose cone) it might not be secure enough to handle any
wind side loads as when crabbing.
I am looking for a quick fix so I can get this into the air. I will do full or
semi-full enclosure down the road. Any ideas out there? -Richard Swiderski
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Help with FS Wing Gap Seal |
Richard, I don't think you can get there from here. It's just the geometry
of the way the wing swings. What you might consider is having the wings
butt up against the gap seal rather than having them slide into it. Use
some sailplane gap seal tape when the plane is all rigged. That's the
solution I used on the Mk IIIX.
Rick
On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 5:25 PM slingshot003 wrote:
>
> Thanks to all who sent replies. I attached a pic of my gap seal. Do any
> of you with a rigid gap seal have it set up so it stays in place & you ju
st
> fold the wings into it? As you can see from my picture, the wind shield
> rests on top of the center section hoop and continues up about 1 1/2".
> With the center section mounted, the wing leading edge tubes hit the fron
t
> of the gap seal & prevents the wing from mating with its anchoring pin.
If
> the wing is first folded all the way forward & pinned, then the wind shie
ld
> sticking above he center section hoop blocks the gap seal from being
> inserted. In order for this to have worked, I am thinking the wind shield
> must have been put on after the gap seal was installed. Maybe I am missi
ng
> something here?
>
> I might be able to use this gap seal if I cut the top of the wind shield
> flush with the top of the hoop, but since the wind shield is not physical
ly
> attached to the hoop (only to the nose cone) it might not be secure enoug
h
> to handle any wind side loads as when crabbing.
>
> I am looking for a quick fix so I can get this into the air. I will do
> full or semi-full enclosure down the road. Any ideas out there? -Richard
> Swiderski
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487185#487185
>
>
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| From: | John Fitt <jpfitt(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Help with FS Wing Gap Seal |
The wing=99s leading edge has a 1-1/2=9D tube that extends about
6=9D past the inboard rib and into the center section leading edge on
my fire star ll
Talking with Kolb they said that the 6=9D extension was not critical t
o the wing and could be shortened (or cut flush with the inboard wing rib) t
o allow easier wing folding.
Call them to verify that fact, I found l
Could fold the wing without shortening. Top section of my center gap seal is
non removable and the wing can slowly swing into position
with Velcro strip to seal and prevent chafing. They overlap about 1=9D
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 22, 2019, at 8:09 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
>
> Richard, I don't think you can get there from here. It's just the geometry
of the way the wing swings. What you might consider is having the wings but
t up against the gap seal rather than having them slide into it. Use some sa
ilplane gap seal tape when the plane is all rigged. That's the solution I us
ed on the Mk IIIX.
>
> Rick
>
>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 5:25 PM slingshot003 wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to all who sent replies. I attached a pic of my gap seal. Do any o
f you with a rigid gap seal have it set up so it stays in place & you just f
old the wings into it? As you can see from my picture, the wind shield rest
s on top of the center section hoop and continues up about 1 1/2". With the
center section mounted, the wing leading edge tubes hit the front of the ga
p seal & prevents the wing from mating with its anchoring pin. If the wing i
s first folded all the way forward & pinned, then the wind shield sticking a
bove he center section hoop blocks the gap seal from being inserted. In orde
r for this to have worked, I am thinking the wind shield must have been put o
n after the gap seal was installed. Maybe I am missing something here?
>>
>> I might be able to use this gap seal if I cut the top of the wind shield f
lush with the top of the hoop, but since the wind shield is not physically a
ttached to the hoop (only to the nose cone) it might not be secure enough to
handle any wind side loads as when crabbing.
>>
>> I am looking for a quick fix so I can get this into the air. I will do f
ull or semi-full enclosure down the road. Any ideas out there? -Richard Swi
derski
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487185#487185
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| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Help with FS Wing Gap Seal |
I can save somebody a lot of wasted time on this.
I spent MONTHS screwing around trying to build center section fairings and seals
that stayed in place as you unfold the wings, hoping to make the wings just
seal against the gap seal automatically. I had one that butted up against the
wing root ribs, I had one where the wings slid underneath the gap seal, that needed
a special "shoehorn" tool to guide the wing under the seal. I modified all
of these three or four times, scratched my head and modified some more. I'm
not kidding when I say that several months were spent on this, trying to come
up with something.
The short answer is that it is a difficult puzzle to solve, because there are several
parts or components that physically or geometrically conflict with each
other. And then on top of that, the Kolb was designed so that the gap seal is
supported by the wings... there is little or no solid structure in the RIGHT
place to permanently mount the gap seal forward of the spar carry through.
My installation was further complicated by having a non-standard engine, which
had parts and pieces that were shaped differently than the Rotax, including three
oil lines that "penetrated" through the gap seal and required delicate cutouts
and removable pieces.
So affter all those months and piles of discarded parts, I went back to a relatively
simple piece of .016 bent aluminum that attached to the wing with Velcro.
After everything I learned, I can say that the Kolb wing folding design makes
it very VERY time consuming and challenging to make a center gap seal that
stays in place and the wings just unfold and automatically seal against.
At the end of the day, the original design shown on the plans (for the Firestar
it is a piece of lexan or plexiglas held in place with velcro) will be the easiest
way by far.
I can hear John H laughing all the way from Alabama :)
Bill Berle
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On Tue, 1/22/19, Richard Girard wrote:
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Help with FS Wing Gap Seal
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com"
Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2019, 8:09 PM
Richard, I don't
think you can get there from here. It's just the
geometry of the way the wing swings. What you might consider
is having the wings butt up against the gap seal rather than
having them slide into it. Use some sailplane gap seal tape
when the plane is all rigged. That's the solution I used
on the Mk IIIX.
Rick
On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 5:25
PM slingshot003
wrote:
--> Kolb-List message
posted by: "slingshot003"
Thanks to all who sent replies. I attached a pic of my gap
seal. Do any of you with a rigid gap seal have it set up
so it stays in place & you just fold the wings into
it? As you can see from my picture, the wind shield rests
on top of the center section hoop and continues up about 1
1/2". With the center section mounted, the wing
leading edge tubes hit the front of the gap seal &
prevents the wing from mating with its anchoring pin. If
the wing is first folded all the way forward & pinned,
then the wind shield sticking above he center section hoop
blocks the gap seal from being inserted. In order for this
to have worked, I am thinking the wind shield must have been
put on after the gap seal was installed. Maybe I am
missing something here?
I might be able to use this gap seal if I cut the top of the
wind shield flush with the top of the hoop, but since the
wind shield is not physically attached to the hoop (only to
the nose cone) it might not be secure enough to handle any
wind side loads as when crabbing.
I am looking for a quick fix so I can get this into the
air. I will do full or semi-full enclosure down the
road. Any ideas out there? -Richard Swiderski
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Help with FS Wing Gap Seal |
Who? Me?
Not me. I've also been down that road. Sometimes we have to see for ourselves
before we give up.
I wish I still had that drive I had way back then to experiment and get "stuff"
done.
So much to do. So little time. Go have fun and don't worry about it. ;-)
john h
MKIII
Titus, Alabama
I can hear John H laughing all the way from Alabama :)
Bill Berle
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| Subject: | Re: Help with FS Wing Gap Seal |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Cut off the top part of the windshield that projects higher than the hoop.
Make up a piece of aluminum that can replace the top of the windshield that you
just cut off. Shape it to seal the area above the windshield to the gap seal.
Maybe put some velcro on it where it touches the gap seal, if necessary.
Get some blind nuts like these or similar and put about three of them on the inside of the hoop. https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/anchornutsmk1000.php?clickkey=3026140
Install the wings, install the gap seal, install the new windshield top piece that
you just made, and then put in some screws to hold the windshield and windshield
top piece securely to the hoop. You have added one small step to the assembly
process, but you made a lot of other things simpler.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal (Ready for a test flight on the new 277)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | MK II Weight and Balance |
| From: | "Mark K" <seanote(at)echoes.net> |
I did some searching on the list here and have not found what I am looking for
in regards to W&B for Kolbs in general, not to mention MKII. I may have missed
it so pardon my re-asking.
While going through my Light Sport ground school, we have been going over W&B extensively.
So now that my rebuild is progressing I'm starting to think about
my MKII W&B.
As far as the weights, arms and moments I'm good with that. My big question is
where is the center of lift/pressure? I've looked through the plans and build
manual and am not seeing any reference.
Per my understanding it is easy to determine the CG, it is determining if the CG
falls within the acceptable envelope of % of wing cord that I'm not finding.
Thanks in advance.
--------
Mark
Twinstar MKII
Great Bend, PA
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| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MK II Weight and Balance |
it is determining if the CG falls within the acceptable envelope of % of
wing cord that I'm not finding.
Thanks in advance.
--------
Mark
Mark
>
You said you can find the center of gravity. Take the center of gravity
measurement call it cg. Cg times 100 then devide by the measurement
of the wing cord (should be listed in the plans) the wing chord for
example in the Mark 3 is listed in the plans at 66 in.
Example for mkiii with 66 inch wing cord.
Cg 20 inches
(20 X 100) =C3=B7 66 = 30.3 % of wing cord
My mkiii plans say the results should be between 25 and 35 %
Hope this helps
Boyd Young
Mkiii Utah
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | pinging John Hauck |
All is good. Tornado was 10.0 miles south of hauck's holler and 1.0 mile north
of my girl friend Nell's home in Wetumpka.
Thanks for asking.
john h
Titus, Alabama
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Hey John,
Aren't you close to Wetumpka? Hoping y'all are all ok after the tornado.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | pinging John Hauck |
Mail is a little slow during this cold wet weather. Took 5 days for this one to
make it through the system. ;-)
john h
Titus, Alabama
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Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 10:16 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: pinging John Hauck
All is good. Tornado was 10.0 miles south of hauck's holler and 1.0 mile north
of my girl friend Nell's home in Wetumpka.
Thanks for asking.
john h
Titus, Alabama
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Hey John,
Aren't you close to Wetumpka? Hoping y'all are all ok after the tornado.
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| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: MK II Weight and Balance |
The center of pressure is not anything that is important during the weight and
balance. Center of Pressure is an aerodynamic factor of the wing's airfoil, and
is very important during the design and engineering phase. The aero engineer(s)
determine the Cp. Then they determinea safe CG range or envelope (which is
based on where the Cp is, among other things).
The reason that Cp is not shown on the plans is that (for most purposes) it's of
no concern to the mechanic or the pilot, only the designers and engineers.
All the mechanic / technician / inspector needs to be concerned about during "weight
and balance" is... weight (in pounds or kilograms) and balance (as in the
center of gravity) :).
Bill Berle
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On Thu, 1/24/19, Mark K wrote:
My big question is where is the center of lift/pressure? I've looked through the
plans
and build manual and am not seeing any reference.
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| From: | "slingshot003" <i2bxtn(at)gmail.com> |
Richard Pike,
Your suggestion is the only logical solution if I am to keep the full length windshield
without any major modifications, regardless if I keep the lexon gap seal
or go with a fabric or vinyl one. I may just weld 3 tabs to the bottom of
the hoop and rivet the shortened windshield to the tabs, then just velcro something
to seal the gap between the windshield and the gap seal. This would get
me flying until I commit to a full enclosure design. -Richard Swiderski
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| From: | Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Help with FS Wing Gap Seal |
Been years Richard, since we stopped by to see your Geo powered Kolb and custom
built trailer. Glad to see youre into it. G Aman
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 24, 2019, at 1:11 PM, slingshot003 wrote:
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> Richard Pike,
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> Your suggestion is the only logical solution if I am to keep the full length
windshield without any major modifications, regardless if I keep the lexon gap
seal or go with a fabric or vinyl one. I may just weld 3 tabs to the bottom
of the hoop and rivet the shortened windshield to the tabs, then just velcro something
to seal the gap between the windshield and the gap seal. This would
get me flying until I commit to a full enclosure design. -Richard Swiderski
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| Subject: | Re: MK II Weight and Balance |
| From: | "Mark K" <seanote(at)echoes.net> |
Guys, thanks for the info. Very helpful. Where can it is indicated on the plans
for build manual the allowable envelope for the CG? % wing chord? Thanks
in advance.
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Mark
Twinstar MKII
Great Bend, PA
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| Subject: | Re: MK II Weight and Balance |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Can't say anything about the MKII, but for the MKIII scroll to sheet 41:
http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/Lexan%20rear%20enclosure.html
I would think that they are pretty similar.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal (Ready for a test flight on the new 277)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.
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| Subject: | Kolb TwinStar Plans |
| From: | "Dee One" <leblancds(at)cox.net> |
I built, enjoyed, and instructed with a Kolb TwinStar (1989 version) for 20 years.
I now wish I would have kept the little plane. I'm now looking for someone
who might have the plans and manual for a Kolb TwinStar (about a 1989 version)
so I can build another one. Kolb no longer sells this model. Please let me
know if anyone knows where I can find plans and manual. leblancds at cox dot
net, Great little plane, I'd like to install a four cycle or electric engine
on one. Thanks for your response.
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The Past is History
The Future is a Mystery
Today is a Gift
Thats Why They Call it the Present
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| Subject: | Re: MK II Weight and Balance |
| From: | "Mark K" <seanote(at)echoes.net> |
Richard,
Thanks for the great info. These diagrams are part of my build manual for plans.
Mark
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Mark
Twinstar MKII
Great Bend, PA
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| Subject: | Re: Help with FS Wing Gap Seal |
| From: | "slingshot003" <i2bxtn(at)gmail.com> |
Gary,
thanks for the kind words. It is exciting to being close to flying again. -Richard
S
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| Subject: | Re: MK II Weight and Balance |
| From: | "Mark K" <seanote(at)echoes.net> |
Richard, Thanks, I meant to type this information was "not" in my build manual
or on the plans. Much appreciated!
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Mark
Twinstar MKII
Great Bend, PA
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| From: | Pfatchantz <Pfatchantz(at)protonmail.ch> |
| Subject: | pics of my third iteration of the Mtn bike brakes.. |
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| From: | Pfatchantz <Pfatchantz(at)protonmail.ch> |
| Subject: | close up of my third build firefly... |
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MK II Weight and Balance |
Can't speak to the Mk II specifically but the 25 to 35% is probably a nice
conservative range that will not catch you out. I've flown the Mk III at
1200 lb loading and cg calculated at 18%. I had 1/2" between the stick and
the seat frame tube. Not a lot of margin but she flew with fingertip
pressure and flared nicely. At that weight with horizontal stab gap seals
(stabilizer to boom tube) I put her into a stall and held her in it for
1000' using only rudder input to keep the wings level. When I released back
pressure she flew away. I've flown her at 40% at design weight (1000 lb)
with no problems, too. Stick pressures were light but not necessarily too
light. In both cases I was flying on a high pressure day with no
discernible convective activity. Turns were limited to 30 degrees bank. I
don't advocate flying at these CG extremes but for phase 1 testing only. My
personal limits are 20 to 35% for everyday flying. If you decide to test at
those or similar limits do so ONLY after you have some time in the airplane
and approach further limits gradually. I highly recommend horizontal
stabilizer seals to the boom tube. They really increase rudder authority.
If you're working toward a Sport Pilot ticket as well as rebuilding a Mk
II, please have a more experienced pilot do the first flights of your
airplane then give you some dual once it is out of phase 1.
Rick Girard
PS When doing measurements to calculate moment arms be sure the aircraft is
positioned properly. In general this is with horizontal stabilizer level.
If the Mk II has specific instructions in the plans use them. As you're
just learning weight and balance you might want to consider using a zero
point that is in front of the nose so that all measurements are positive.
Having to screw around with negative and positive arms can be tricky. Good
luck and have fun.
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 8:54 AM Mark K wrote:
>
> I did some searching on the list here and have not found what I am lookin
g
> for in regards to W&B for Kolbs in general, not to mention MKII. I may
> have missed it so pardon my re-asking.
> While going through my Light Sport ground school, we have been going over
> W&B extensively. So now that my rebuild is progressing I'm starting to
> think about my MKII W&B.
> As far as the weights, arms and moments I'm good with that. My big
> question is where is the center of lift/pressure? I've looked through th
e
> plans and build manual and am not seeing any reference.
> Per my understanding it is easy to determine the CG, it is determining if
> the CG falls within the acceptable envelope of % of wing cord that I'm no
t
> finding.
> Thanks in advance.
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> Mark
> Twinstar MKII
> Great Bend, PA
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| From: | Pfatchantz <Pfatchantz(at)protonmail.ch> |
| Subject: | close up of my third build firefly... |
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| From: | Pfatchantz <Pfatchantz(at)protonmail.ch> |
| Subject: | Re: close up of my third build firefly... |
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| From: | Pfatchantz <Pfatchantz(at)protonmail.ch> |
| Subject: | Re: close up of my third build firefly... |
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| Subject: | Re: close up of my third build firefly... |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/resize-image/9p87m9tknkvl?activetab=pivot:overviewtab
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal (Ready for a test flight on the new 277)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | Pfatchantz <Pfatchantz(at)protonmail.ch> |
| Subject: | Re: close up of my third build firefly... |
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| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Long Distance Trailering |
Hi Kolbers,
My Kolb Firestar is being sold to a person in another part of the country over
1000 miles away from here, and we are going to arrange for it to be shipped to
him by freight truck or trailer. I want to make sure that it arrives undamaged.
One of the big questions I have is whether it is better to put it in the truck
or t railer with the wings attached to the U-joint, or whether it is better to
remove the wings entirely and mount or hang them in the truck separate from the
fuselage.
This is not going to be a 100 or 200 mile trip. Also, neither the buyer or seller
will be doing the driving. So neither of us will be there to check on it during
the trip.
When I look at the U-joint attaching the wings to the fuselage, It looks to bevery
strongly built, however I also understand that it may not have been intended
to take ROAD vibrations and loads. The U-joint can certainly take 2 or 3 times
the load and dofce that any Kolb will ever see in flight... BUT... tens of
thousands of small up and down vibrations may not be something that this U-joint
was designed for.
I would welcome the opinions of Kolbers who have lots of experience (good or bad)
with trailering or trucking their Kolb. Has anyone experienced damage or wear
on the U-Joint due to ground transport?
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Long Distance Trailering |
Bill
Over the years I have haled my MKIII over 6,000 miles with no damage. I
bought a long single axle boat trailer and fully enclosed it. The key is a
lightly sprung transport. Most trucks and trailers long enough to transport
a Kolb are designed to carry a heavy load and are going to bounce your Kolb
around way too much. I left my wings attached but supported them at the
universal joint and at the tips.
Good luck
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 2:41 AM Bill Berle wrote:
>
> Hi Kolbers,
>
> My Kolb Firestar is being sold to a person in another part of the country
> over 1000 miles away from here, and we are going to arrange for it to be
> shipped to him by freight truck or trailer. I want to make sure that it
> arrives undamaged.
>
> One of the big questions I have is whether it is better to put it in the
> truck or t railer with the wings attached to the U-joint, or whether it is
> better to remove the wings entirely and mount or hang them in the truck
> separate from the fuselage.
>
> This is not going to be a 100 or 200 mile trip. Also, neither the buyer or
> seller will be doing the driving. So neither of us will be there to check
> on it during the trip.
>
> When I look at the U-joint attaching the wings to the fuselage, It looks
> to bevery strongly built, however I also understand that it may not have
> been intended to take ROAD vibrations and loads. The U-joint can certainly
> take 2 or 3 times the load and dofce that any Kolb will ever see in
> flight... BUT... tens of thousands of small up and down vibrations may not
> be something that this U-joint was designed for.
>
> I would welcome the opinions of Kolbers who have lots of experience (good
> or bad) with trailering or trucking their Kolb. Has anyone experienced
> damage or wear on the U-Joint due to ground transport?
>
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and
> for-profit entities
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Long Distance Trailering |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
I transported a Kolb Mk1 from central FL to MS on an open trailer built
to haul a Thorp T-18. Light weight springs, like Rick describes. It was
a 'project' plane, but we re-attached the wings at the pivot point for
transport. We did not use the aft tube attach points; instead used a
cradle under the wings' leading edges back there. IIRC, I just strapped
the axles directly to a 2x4 (no wheels/tires on the axles).
The only damage was to the 30 year old wing fabric, from some of the
strapping flapping in the 'breeze'. I'm pretty sure the only reason for
the fabric damage is that it was ready to come off anyway, and would
have failed a punch test.
Charlie
On 2/2/2019 12:35 PM, Rick Neilsen wrote:
> Bill
>
> Over the years I have haled my MKIII over 6,000 miles with no damage.
> I bought a long single axle boat trailer and fully enclosed it. The
> key is a lightly sprung transport. Most trucks and trailers long
> enough to transport a Kolb are designed to carry a heavy load and are
> going to bounce your Kolb around way too much. I left my wings
> attached but supported them at the universal joint and at the tips.
>
> Good luck
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
>
> On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 2:41 AM Bill Berle > wrote:
>
> >
>
> Hi Kolbers,
>
> My Kolb Firestar is being sold to a person in another part of the
> country over 1000 miles away from here, and we are going to
> arrange for it to be shipped to him by freight truck or trailer. I
> want to make sure that it arrives undamaged.
>
> One of the big questions I have is whether it is better to put it
> in the truck or t railer with the wings attached to the U-joint,
> or whether it is better to remove the wings entirely and mount or
> hang them in the truck separate from the fuselage.
>
> This is not going to be a 100 or 200 mile trip. Also, neither the
> buyer or seller will be doing the driving. So neither of us will
> be there to check on it during the trip.
>
> When I look at the U-joint attaching the wings to the fuselage, It
> looks to bevery strongly built, however I also understand that it
> may not have been intended to take ROAD vibrations and loads. The
> U-joint can certainly take 2 or 3 times the load and dofce that
> any Kolb will ever see in flight... BUT... tens of thousands of
> small up and down vibrations may not be something that this
> U-joint was designed for.
>
> I would welcome the opinions of Kolbers who have lots of
> experience (good or bad) with trailering or trucking their Kolb.
> Has anyone experienced damage or wear on the U-Joint due to ground
> transport?
>
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com <http://www.ezflaphandle.com> - safety &
> performance upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net <http://www.grantstar.net> - winning
> proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Long Distance Trailering |
Burt Howland, an old aviator, owned and flew a Bearcat until he was
physically no longer to fly it, designer of the Honey Bee and Chip Monk,
was the smoothest pilot taxiing I have ever seen. He never got in a
hurry and was very gentle and respectful of his aircraft on the ground.
I never forgot that, however, I didn't always taxi like he did. He also
designed another model, but I can't remember the name of it. He and his
wife, Ellen, were good friends I met at the Ultralight Flight Farm the
first time I flew my Firestar up there in 1988. Ellen was a WASP during
WWII and also a flight instructor. Burt lived and had a grass strip and
hanger in Maryland, NY. I flew up there in 1989, spent a week with
them, flew all the New England states in a day, a long day, from his
airstrip. From there flew to the Ultralight Flight Farm, Niagara Falls,
Sault St Marie, Canada, and Oshkosh.
I trailered my MKIII from Muncho Lake, British Columbia, to Oshkosh, and
south to Alabama in 2000. For that trip I had a borrowed enclosed
trailer, strapped the wings to the walls, supported the tail boom in a
cradle. Only problem was dust from many sections of road that were
gravel and under repair. New Lexan had to be replaced. Back then it
was not that much of a job. Now days it is impossible.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Long Distance Trailering |
I transported my Kolb via enclosed trailer from California to Texas. I
would definitely remove the wings and suspend them with straps from the
ceiling of the trailer, and then protect them as best you can from any type
of rubbing (from the straps and from the trailer). I also had a cushioned
boom tube cradle.
On Sat, Feb 2, 2019, 1:43 AM Bill Berle
> Hi Kolbers,
>
> My Kolb Firestar is being sold to a person in another part of the country
> over 1000 miles away from here, and we are going to arrange for it to be
> shipped to him by freight truck or trailer. I want to make sure that it
> arrives undamaged.
>
> One of the big questions I have is whether it is better to put it in the
> truck or t railer with the wings attached to the U-joint, or whether it is
> better to remove the wings entirely and mount or hang them in the truck
> separate from the fuselage.
>
> This is not going to be a 100 or 200 mile trip. Also, neither the buyer or
> seller will be doing the driving. So neither of us will be there to check
> on it during the trip.
>
> When I look at the U-joint attaching the wings to the fuselage, It looks
> to bevery strongly built, however I also understand that it may not have
> been intended to take ROAD vibrations and loads. The U-joint can certainly
> take 2 or 3 times the load and dofce that any Kolb will ever see in
> flight... BUT... tens of thousands of small up and down vibrations may not
> be something that this U-joint was designed for.
>
> I would welcome the opinions of Kolbers who have lots of experience (good
> or bad) with trailering or trucking their Kolb. Has anyone experienced
> damage or wear on the U-Joint due to ground transport?
>
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and
> for-profit entities
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Long Distance Trailering |
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
victorbravo(at)sbcglobal. wrote:
> Hi Kolbers,
>
> My Kolb Firestar is being sold to a person in another part of the country over
1000 miles away from here, and we are going to arrange for it to be shipped
to him by freight truck or trailer. I want to make sure that it arrives undamaged.
>
> . . S . N . I . P. . .
>
> Bill Berle
>
> . . S . N . I . P. . .
>
>
The "Trailering a Kolb" section on my web site has a lot of information and a wide
variety of solutions concerning this subject.
http://oh2fly.net/Main_trailer_kolb.htm
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503
E-LSA N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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| Subject: | Re: Long Distance Trailering |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
I would consider renting a U-Haul and having either the buyer or seller transport
it.
Using a commercial freight hauler is asking for trouble in my opinion.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487399#487399
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| Subject: | Re: Long Distance Trailering |
| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
there are web sites where one can hire independent haulers....sometimes,
just guys with a Dodge diesel truck and a 25 foot enclosed trailer...
My experience with one of them was not good....He claimed to the buyer
that He had hauled planes before....When we started to load...I could
see he had no idea...!! Get some references...Herb
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| Subject: | Re: Long Distance Trailering |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
I have no personal experience with these guys, but they transport a lot
of Van's Aircraft quickbuild kits, without crating.
https://freefreightsearch.com/brokers/14306-partain-trading-company-inc-dba-partain-transport-company
One thread on the Van's Airforce forum:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=94007&highlight=partain+transport
Charlie
On 2/2/2019 8:04 PM, Herb wrote:
>
> there are web sites where one can hire independent
> haulers....sometimes, just guys with a Dodge diesel truck and a 25
> foot enclosed trailer...
>
> My experience with one of them was not good....He claimed to the
> buyer that He had hauled planes before....When we started to load...I
> could see he had no idea...!! Get some references...Herb
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| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Long Distance Trailering |
Thanks Charlie !
I read that VAF thread and sent him an e-mail. He certainly comes highly recommended
in the Vans community.
The buyer and myself are both strongly wanting to get this done safely. I will
be here to help load and secure the Kolb when it leaves, but having a transporter
who gives a s*** about it while it's on the road is definitely worth the trouble
to find if we can afford it.
The first thing I tried to do was get one of my friends in the local ultralight
community to trailer it for us, but his old marginal vehicle cannot make the
trip. I cannot take it to him myself, and he cannot get time off work to come
get it.
I have no personal experience with these guys, but they transport a lot of Van's
Aircraft quickbuild kits,
without crating.
https://freefreightsearch.com/brokers/14306-partain-trading-company-inc-dba-partain-transport-company
One thread on the Van's Airforce
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| From: | Pfatchantz <Pfatchantz(at)protonmail.ch> |
| Subject: | Re: Long Distance Trailering |
Dollar a mile is a nice number if you can get it..
Herb
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On Sunday, February 3, 2019 9:20 AM, Bill Berle wrote:
>
> Thanks Charlie !
>
> I read that VAF thread and sent him an e-mail. He certainly comes highly recommended
in the Vans community.
>
> The buyer and myself are both strongly wanting to get this done safely. I will
be here to help load and secure the Kolb when it leaves, but having a transporter
who gives a s*** about it while it's on the road is definitely worth the
trouble to find if we can afford it.
>
> The first thing I tried to do was get one of my friends in the local ultralight
community to trailer it for us, but his old marginal vehicle cannot make the
trip. I cannot take it to him myself, and he cannot get time off work to come
get it.
>
>
> I have no personal experience with these guys, but they transport a lot of Van's
Aircraft quickbuild kits,
> without crating.
>
> https://freefreightsearch.com/brokers/14306-partain-trading-company-inc-dba-partain-transport-company
> One thread on the Van's Airforce
>
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| Subject: | Re: Long Distance Trailering |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
The Van's guy seems like a good bet. I think the main thing is that after it is
loaded the trailer is not opened until it arrives at the destination. Loading
and off loading additional items along the way can cause problems. When I
moved from Ohio to Missouri I rented a U-Haul and also removed the wings and supported
everything on 6" upholstery foam that I bought at a fabric store.
No Problems.
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| Subject: | Re: Long Distance Trailering |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
I've used Partain's service for two RV kits, and they were fantastic. It will
arrive in the longest trailer you've ever seen :-)
Rusty
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| Subject: | Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
Greetings,
While considering engines for the latest Slingshot project, I ran across the Jabiru
2200 engines. I know Thom had one on a Slingshot, and he seemed happy with
the performance. I've heard of a few on Mk-3s as well. Is anyone still flying
with a Jabiru? Has anyone flown with the Jabiru 2200 and some other engine
on the same plane for comparison? I'd love to see some additional installation
pictures, particularly how the exhaust was routed.
FWIW, I'm currently looking at the HKS, Jabiru 2200, and 912. All of these have
some pros and cons.
Thanks,
Rusty
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487506#487506
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? |
the HKS is only about as powerful as the rotax 503=C2- the jabiru would b
e a nice fit for your kolb=C2-
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 8:23 AM, 13brv3<13brv3(at)gmail.com> wrote: --> Ko
lb-List message posted by: "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com>
Greetings,
While considering engines for the latest Slingshot project, I ran across th
e Jabiru 2200 engines.=C2- I know Thom had one on a Slingshot, and he see
med happy with the performance.=C2- I've heard of a few on Mk-3s as well.
=C2- Is anyone still flying with a Jabiru?=C2- Has anyone flown with th
e Jabiru 2200 and some other engine on the same plane for comparison?=C2-
I'd love to see some additional installation pictures, particularly how th
e exhaust was routed.=C2-
FWIW, I'm currently looking at the HKS, Jabiru 2200, and 912.=C2- All of
these have some pros and cons.=C2-
Thanks,
Rusty
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487506#487506
S -
WIKI -
-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
brubakermal(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> the HKS is only about as powerful as the rotax 503 the jabiru would be a nice
fit for your kolb
The Jabiru 2200 checks all the boxes for me, but I haven't seen many for sale used,
and new isn't an option for any of these engines. The only real installation
issue is that the wings won't fold with the standard pusher exhaust config,
but I have to believe that can be fixed. Otherwise it's a clean installation,
with reportedly good performance despite being direct drive. The other bonus
is that the US Jabiru dealer is only about 3 hrs west of me if needed.
The HKS appeal is that it's the lightest, most compact 4-stroke option, as well
as being the quietest with the 3.47 gears, and probably the most fuel efficient.
My old 503 SS performance wasn't all that bad, but I was young, and feeling
the need for speed. Now that I'm getting old, and have proven repeatedly that
I won't travel in the plane, I could probably be happier with the lower performance.
Of course the 912 is hands down the most popular option, but they're pricey, heavy,
noisy, and require water and oil coolers. The years have taught me to go
with the flow a bit more than I used to, but I hate to be too conventional :-)
Rusty
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487510#487510
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? |
For me the problem with the jabiru is the direct drive. You'll need a
shorter prop, which is ok if your plane was designed to fly faster. Say
125 mph or so. The faster turning shorter prop becomes more efficient at
higher speeds. The kolbs need a longer slower turning prop too get the
most out of the engine horse power.
Boyd
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Pfatchantz <Pfatchantz(at)protonmail.ch> |
| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? |
Might do some checking about the cooling of the Jab...I have chatted with tractor
and pusher builders and some have mentioned cooling difficulties...Herb
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Original Message
On Sunday, February 10, 2019 5:29 PM, 13brv3 <13brv3(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> brubakermal(at)yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > the HKS is only about as powerful as the rotax 503 the jabiru would be a nice
fit for your kolb
>
> The Jabiru 2200 checks all the boxes for me, but I haven't seen many for sale
used, and new isn't an option for any of these engines. The only real installation
issue is that the wings won't fold with the standard pusher exhaust config,
but I have to believe that can be fixed. Otherwise it's a clean installation,
with reportedly good performance despite being direct drive. The other bonus
is that the US Jabiru dealer is only about 3 hrs west of me if needed.
>
> The HKS appeal is that it's the lightest, most compact 4-stroke option, as well
as being the quietest with the 3.47 gears, and probably the most fuel efficient.
My old 503 SS performance wasn't all that bad, but I was young, and feeling
the need for speed. Now that I'm getting old, and have proven repeatedly that
I won't travel in the plane, I could probably be happier with the lower performance.
>
> Of course the 912 is hands down the most popular option, but they're pricey,
heavy, noisy, and require water and oil coolers. The years have taught me to go
with the flow a bit more than I used to, but I hate to be too conventional :-)
>
> Rusty
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487510#487510
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? |
Boyd, For what it's worth I've been working on a friend's Zenith 701 with a
2200A Jabby and a two blade Sensenich prop. I set the prop for 3120 RPM
static at which it pulls 310 lb. as measured with a digital force gauge. My
concern on a Kolb would be the need for a light weight prop. The Sensenich
is built similar to the Power Fin, i.e. light and hollow and won't tolerate
FOD like a Warp Drive will.
Rick
On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 5:53 PM B Young wrote:
> For me the problem with the jabiru is the direct drive. You'll need a
> shorter prop, which is ok if your plane was designed to fly faster. Say
> 125 mph or so. The faster turning shorter prop becomes more efficient a
t
> higher speeds. The kolbs need a longer slower turning prop too get the
> most out of the engine horse power.
>
> Boyd
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
--
=9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D
Groucho Marx
<http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
There's precious little data available for Jabiru equipped Kolbs, but I've been
exchanging emails with Thom, who owned a Jabiru 2200 Slingshot. He was definitely
a fan, and it sounds like it had plenty of performance with the 64" prop
he was running. Cooling shrouds are a must, but I wouldn't expect any air cooled
engine to have optimum cooling without them.
I've actually been trying to buy an HKS that was up for sale, at a price that would
make it worth trying. It doesn't look like that's going to work out though,
which may be for the best.
Rusty
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487513#487513
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| From: | Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? |
Have a MK 3C with 2200 Jabiru 1100 hrs ,unusual cooling configuration, no heat
problems. Cruise 70mph 2700rpm Sen wood prop 4264 I think, 3150 rpm takeoff. Have
some Picts I could e mail.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 10, 2019, at 7:33 PM, 13brv3 <13brv3(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> There's precious little data available for Jabiru equipped Kolbs, but I've been
exchanging emails with Thom, who owned a Jabiru 2200 Slingshot. He was definitely
a fan, and it sounds like it had plenty of performance with the 64" prop
he was running. Cooling shrouds are a must, but I wouldn't expect any air
cooled engine to have optimum cooling without them.
>
> I've actually been trying to buy an HKS that was up for sale, at a price that
would make it worth trying. It doesn't look like that's going to work out though,
which may be for the best.
>
> Rusty
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487513#487513
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
zeprep251(at)aol.com wrote:
> Have a MK 3C with 2200 Jabiru 1100 hrs ,unusual cooling configuration, no heat
problems. Cruise 70mph 2700rpm Sen wood prop 4264 I think, 3150 rpm takeoff.
Have some Picts I could e mail.
That's good to hear. I'd love to see any installation pictures you have.
Thanks,
Rusty
13brv3(at)gmail.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487516#487516
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| From: | Ted Cowan <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 02/10/19 |
Jab vs 912 is no contest! Even with rads and WD prop, the 912 will run the pants
off a jab on a slingshot. I have a 912 on mine and I wouldn't trade it. Been
flying it for ten years. Started with 582. What a difference. I cruise
at 95+ with 4 gph with full camping gear. If you set it up right (change angle
of engine mounts) it is light on stick. Like driving a Beemer. Will send pics
if needed. My two cents. Ted Cowan slingshot 912 ul zoom zoom
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> 1. 05:19 AM - Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? (13brv3)
> 2. 01:15 PM - Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? (Malcolm
Brubaker)
> 3. 03:30 PM - Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? (13brv3)
> 4. 03:51 PM - Re: Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? (B Young)
> 5. 04:00 PM - Re: Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? (Pfatchantz)
> 6. 04:31 PM - Re: Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? (Richard
Girard)
> 7. 04:33 PM - Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? (13brv3)
> 8. 07:20 PM - Re: Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? (Gary
Aman)
> 9. 07:30 PM - Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? (13brv3)
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>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments?
> From: "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> While considering engines for the latest Slingshot project, I ran across the
Jabiru
> 2200 engines. I know Thom had one on a Slingshot, and he seemed happy with
> the performance. I've heard of a few on Mk-3s as well. Is anyone still flying
> with a Jabiru? Has anyone flown with the Jabiru 2200 and some other engine
> on the same plane for comparison? I'd love to see some additional installation
> pictures, particularly how the exhaust was routed.
>
> FWIW, I'm currently looking at the HKS, Jabiru 2200, and 912. All of these have
> some pros and cons.
>
> Thanks,
> Rusty
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487506#487506
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments?
>
> the HKS is only about as powerful as the rotax 503=C2- the jabiru would b
> e a nice fit for your kolb=C2-
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 8:23 AM, 13brv3<13brv3(at)gmail.com> wrote: --> Ko
> lb-List message posted by: "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com>
>
> Greetings,
>
> While considering engines for the latest Slingshot project, I ran across th
> e Jabiru 2200 engines.=C2- I know Thom had one on a Slingshot, and he see
> med happy with the performance.=C2- I've heard of a few on Mk-3s as well.
> =C2- Is anyone still flying with a Jabiru?=C2- Has anyone flown with th
> e Jabiru 2200 and some other engine on the same plane for comparison?=C2-
> I'd love to see some additional installation pictures, particularly how th
> e exhaust was routed.=C2-
>
> FWIW, I'm currently looking at the HKS, Jabiru 2200, and 912.=C2- All of
> these have some pros and cons.=C2-
>
> Thanks,
> Rusty
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487506#487506
>
>
> S -
> WIKI -
> -
> =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments?
> From: "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com>
>
>
>
> brubakermal(at)yahoo.com wrote:
>> the HKS is only about as powerful as the rotax 503 the jabiru would be a nice
> fit for your kolb
>
>
> The Jabiru 2200 checks all the boxes for me, but I haven't seen many for sale
used,
> and new isn't an option for any of these engines. The only real installation
> issue is that the wings won't fold with the standard pusher exhaust config,
> but I have to believe that can be fixed. Otherwise it's a clean installation,
> with reportedly good performance despite being direct drive. The other bonus
> is that the US Jabiru dealer is only about 3 hrs west of me if needed.
>
> The HKS appeal is that it's the lightest, most compact 4-stroke option, as well
> as being the quietest with the 3.47 gears, and probably the most fuel efficient.
> My old 503 SS performance wasn't all that bad, but I was young, and feeling
> the need for speed. Now that I'm getting old, and have proven repeatedly that
> I won't travel in the plane, I could probably be happier with the lower performance.
>
>
> Of course the 912 is hands down the most popular option, but they're pricey,
heavy,
> noisy, and require water and oil coolers. The years have taught me to go
> with the flow a bit more than I used to, but I hate to be too conventional :-)
>
> Rusty
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487510#487510
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments?
>
> For me the problem with the jabiru is the direct drive. You'll need a
> shorter prop, which is ok if your plane was designed to fly faster. Say
> 125 mph or so. The faster turning shorter prop becomes more efficient at
> higher speeds. The kolbs need a longer slower turning prop too get the
> most out of the engine horse power.
>
> Boyd
>
>
>>
>>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Pfatchantz <Pfatchantz(at)protonmail.ch>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments?
>
>
> Might do some checking about the cooling of the Jab...I have chatted with tractor
> and pusher builders and some have mentioned cooling difficulties...Herb
>
>
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>
> Original Message
>> On Sunday, February 10, 2019 5:29 PM, 13brv3 <13brv3(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> brubakermal(at)yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> the HKS is only about as powerful as the rotax 503 the jabiru would be a nice
> fit for your kolb
>>
>> The Jabiru 2200 checks all the boxes for me, but I haven't seen many for sale
> used, and new isn't an option for any of these engines. The only real installation
> issue is that the wings won't fold with the standard pusher exhaust config,
> but I have to believe that can be fixed. Otherwise it's a clean installation,
> with reportedly good performance despite being direct drive. The other bonus
> is that the US Jabiru dealer is only about 3 hrs west of me if needed.
>>
>> The HKS appeal is that it's the lightest, most compact 4-stroke option, as well
> as being the quietest with the 3.47 gears, and probably the most fuel efficient.
> My old 503 SS performance wasn't all that bad, but I was young, and feeling
> the need for speed. Now that I'm getting old, and have proven repeatedly that
> I won't travel in the plane, I could probably be happier with the lower performance.
>>
>> Of course the 912 is hands down the most popular option, but they're pricey,
> heavy, noisy, and require water and oil coolers. The years have taught me to
go
> with the flow a bit more than I used to, but I hate to be too conventional :-)
>>
>> Rusty
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487510#487510
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments?
>
> Boyd, For what it's worth I've been working on a friend's Zenith 701 with a
> 2200A Jabby and a two blade Sensenich prop. I set the prop for 3120 RPM
> static at which it pulls 310 lb. as measured with a digital force gauge. My
> concern on a Kolb would be the need for a light weight prop. The Sensenich
> is built similar to the Power Fin, i.e. light and hollow and won't tolerate
> FOD like a Warp Drive will.
>
> Rick
>
>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 5:53 PM B Young wrote:
>>
>> For me the problem with the jabiru is the direct drive. You'll need a
>> shorter prop, which is ok if your plane was designed to fly faster. Say
>> 125 mph or so. The faster turning shorter prop becomes more efficient a
> t
>> higher speeds. The kolbs need a longer slower turning prop too get the
>> most out of the engine horse power.
>>
>> Boyd
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
> --
> =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D
> Groucho Marx
> <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments?
> From: "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> There's precious little data available for Jabiru equipped Kolbs, but I've been
> exchanging emails with Thom, who owned a Jabiru 2200 Slingshot. He was definitely
> a fan, and it sounds like it had plenty of performance with the 64" prop
> he was running. Cooling shrouds are a must, but I wouldn't expect any air cooled
> engine to have optimum cooling without them.
>
> I've actually been trying to buy an HKS that was up for sale, at a price that
would
> make it worth trying. It doesn't look like that's going to work out though,
> which may be for the best.
>
> Rusty
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487513#487513
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments?
>
>
> Have a MK 3C with 2200 Jabiru 1100 hrs ,unusual cooling configuration, no heat
> problems. Cruise 70mph 2700rpm Sen wood prop 4264 I think, 3150 rpm takeoff.
Have
> some Picts I could e mail.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 10, 2019, at 7:33 PM, 13brv3 <13brv3(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> There's precious little data available for Jabiru equipped Kolbs, but I've been
> exchanging emails with Thom, who owned a Jabiru 2200 Slingshot. He was definitely
> a fan, and it sounds like it had plenty of performance with the 64" prop
> he was running. Cooling shrouds are a must, but I wouldn't expect any air
> cooled engine to have optimum cooling without them.
>>
>> I've actually been trying to buy an HKS that was up for sale, at a price that
> would make it worth trying. It doesn't look like that's going to work out though,
> which may be for the best.
>>
>> Rusty
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487513#487513
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments?
> From: "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com>
>
>
>
> zeprep251(at)aol.com wrote:
>> Have a MK 3C with 2200 Jabiru 1100 hrs ,unusual cooling configuration, no heat
> problems. Cruise 70mph 2700rpm Sen wood prop 4264 I think, 3150 rpm takeoff.
> Have some Picts I could e mail.
>
>
> That's good to hear. I'd love to see any installation pictures you have.
>
> Thanks,
> Rusty
> 13brv3(at)gmail.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487516#487516
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 02/10/19 |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
tc1917(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> Jab vs 912 is no contest! Even with rads and WD prop, the 912 will run the
pants off a jab on a slingshot. I have a 912 on mine and I wouldn't trade it.
Been flying it for ten years. Started with 582. What a difference. I cruise
at 95+ with 4 gph with full camping gear. If you set it up right (change angle
of engine mounts) it is light on stick. Like driving a Beemer. Will send
pics if needed. My two cents. Ted Cowan slingshot 912 ul zoom zoom
>
Thanks for the comments Ted. The 912 is a great engine for sure, and if one comes
along that seems to be a good deal, I'll grab it. I have a few takeoffs and
landings in a 912S SS, and lots of pictures of the installation.
Regardless of the engine used, it seems the rear of the engine needs to be raised
on the SS. Even my old 503 had nearly an inch spacer under the rear mounts
when I was done with it. As it turns out, the mount was removed on the cage
I have, and I'll be restoring it. I'll likely build in a bit more angle when
I do.
Thanks,
Rusty
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487523#487523
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the comments, but fate was working overtime today. I ended up talking
with a local pilot, and he mentioned having a 912UL he was planning to sell.
Turns out it's a great engine, at a great price, and less than an hour from
my house. In a few days, I should be the lucky owner of a 912. Now I need
to work on selling my RV-3B so I don't have to sell a kidney or two to pay for
this :-)
Cheers,
Rusty
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| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
Kolbers,
I am considering a Battery back up system, and wondering if anyone has experience
with TCW Technologies?
Thanks,
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska 99645
607AK
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Back-Up Battery |
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| Subject: | Re: Back-Up Battery |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
Good advice; that is the ultimate source for electrical info.
Having said that, quite a few RV-x drivers use them.
Having said *that*, do you mind telling us how you'll be using it
(beyond the obvious 'backup')? There may be less expensive alternatives.
Charlie
On 2/11/2019 7:42 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Nick, Try the Aeroelectric Connection also on Matronics.
>
> Rick
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 5:45 PM Nick Cassara > wrote:
>
> >
>
> Kolbers,
>
> I am considering a Battery back up system, and wondering if anyone
> has experience with TCW Technologies?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Cassara
> Palmer, Alaska 99645
>
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Back-Up Battery |
Well Nick, I installed a Aerovoltz iron lithium ion battery in my Firestar last
year. The battery is very small and light 1.3 lbs. I use it as my primary battery.
It starts my Hirth 2702 without a problem. The battery is relatively inexpensive,
they come in variety of different sizes. I did also order the special
balancing charger. I highly recommend this system. I bought it from Aircraft
Spruce. They actually had the best price.
George Helton
Firestar, 2702 Hirth
14GDH
Mesick, Michigan
gdhelton(at)gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 11, 2019, at 6:44 PM, Nick Cassara wrote:
>
>
> Kolbers,
>
> I am considering a Battery back up system, and wondering if anyone has experience
with TCW Technologies?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Cassara
> Palmer, Alaska 99645
>
> 607AK
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Battery Back up... |
Charle and Kolbers,
An A&P from whom I was renting hanger space last year, thought it would be good
to have a back up power source for the fuel injection and ignitionif things when
bad, I could I can flip a switch and change the power source. hopefully giving
me time to land somewhere safe.
Nick Cassara
Palmer, AK
Kolbra 607AK
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| From: | Nick Cassara <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Battery Back up... |
Charle and Kolbers,
An A&P from whom I was renting hanger space last year, thought it would be good
to have a back up power source for the fuel injection and ignitionif things when
bad, I could I can flip a switch and change the power source. hopefully giving
me time to land somewhere safe.
Nick Cassara
Palmer, AK
Kolbra 607AK
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Back up... |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
On 2/12/2019 7:35 PM, Nick Cassara wrote:
>
> Charle and Kolbers,
>
> An A&P from whom I was renting hanger space last year, thought it would be good
to have a back up power source for the fuel injection and ignitionif things
when bad, I could I can flip a switch and change the power source. hopefully
giving me time to land somewhere safe.
>
> Nick Cassara
> Palmer, AK
>
> Kolbra 607AK
>
If you're electrically dependent, he's right, at least in theory.
I'm currently working on an electrically dependent engine (Mazda rotary)
in an RV-7, & have friends who have been flying rotaries for years. Most
of the guys I know are flying with a single alternator and single SLA
battery (PC680 or similar), though a few have more elaborate systems
with dual alts and/or dual batteries.
The battery & alternator can be considered redundant power sources,
unless total current requirements to stay in the air severely limit
endurance on the battery (a working alternator has unlimited endurance).
You can create a 'third layer' with a 2nd battery, kept charged through
a Schottky diode, and only connected to your engine bus if you activate
the 'panic' switch. The Schottky will only have about a half volt drop
at most, once the battery is close to topped off, so it will always be
fully charged as long as the alternator voltage is set above 14V. Lots
cheaper than the TCW, and capacity can be whatever you want/need.
If you're interested, we can go further with it.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Back-Up Battery |
| From: | "Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com> |
Hey guys...
Just to add some generic info about li-ion batteries and their care and feeding.
Unlike lead-acid or ni-cad or ni-mh, lithium-ion cells are more critical of
under voltage, over-voltage, or over-current. Most cells have a protective device
that does not allow them to go below a certain cut-off voltage, or to be
charged too high. But for starting a engine, most of those high capacity cells
do not include that same protection device. If charged over 4.2v per cell,
they can be damaged. If allowed to discharge below 3.3 they can also be damaged.
Most consider 3.6-3.7 as a minimum cut-off. A pack can be assembled with
high discharge cells using 18650 size, with up to 20-30A max current per string.
IE 3 cells in series will net 11.1 - 12.6 volts. Multiple parallel sets
can boost the current. But.. you will want to add a circuit which protects them,
both in discharge and re-charge voltage, and to keep each group of cells
balanced, and the discharge current within limits.
The use of a diode, feeding a aux pack into the buss will keep it "out of the circuit"
until the main battery drops enough that the aux is .5-.6v above it..
where the diode will then begin to conduct and provide current. That DOES NOT
charge the cells however, as the diode is a one way device. And another factor,
is that if your primary circuit or buss has a high drain problem or failure,
THAT needs to be isolated first. Otherwise your back-up battery won't last
very long. Some will use 2 packs that are switched so that one is charged..
while the other is active in circuit. Both can be used in parallel with high
power diodes, for starting purposes.
Up-side to li-ion.. they do have a long life when not in use. Ni-cads and Ni-Mh
are both much worse at self discharge, and ni-cads bad about "memory" of not
cycled fully. But none of the new high density technologies are without their
particulars. Lithium polymer just tend to catch on fire if mistreated. Jerry
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| From: | Denny Baber <baberdk(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Back-Up Battery |
Good info on Lithium batteries. Also, they need to have the cells
"balanced". They only charge until the cell with the most charge is charged
and only discharge until the cell with the least cell is discharged. If
there is a great difference between the cells it will seem like the
capacity is reduced so it is a good idea to balance the cells on the ground
to increase capacity.
We only need the battery to use the starting motor but it is a nice back-up
if the charging system fails. The Rotax has two ignition systems that are
independent from the charging system and each other so I haven't heard of
ignition failures as much as fuel problems. Dead stick landings are usually
affected more by stalling than the wings falling off so I think practice is
more important than three batteries.
Respectfully,
Dennis Baber
Cape Coral, Fl
baberdk(at)gmail.com
305-814-7218
Stay Curious
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| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Back-Up Battery |
I installed a Aerovoltz iron lithium battery in my redrive VW powered Kolb
MKIIIC in the summer of 2014. The battery has provided great service. The
plane sits all winter while I'm in Florida and shows no measurable
discharge. I take my balancing charger out to the plane every spring and
check the battery cell balance. So far the voltages are within .1 volts and
the balance charger can't improve that balance. These LiFe batteries don't
seem to catch fire but they don't like to be over charged so I monitor the
voltage while flying. Areovoltz has published a advisory to not use their
batteries with some Rotax charging systems that have caused a battery melt
down. The battery weighs 10lbs less than my old lead acid batteries and has
lasted one year longer so far.
Denny I don't understand what you are trying to say "Dead stick landings
are usually affected more by stalling than the wings falling off so I think
practice is more important than three batteries"
Rick Neisen
Redrive WV Powered MKIIIC
On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 9:32 AM Denny Baber wrote:
> Good info on Lithium batteries. Also, they need to have the cells
> "balanced". They only charge until the cell with the most charge is charged
> and only discharge until the cell with the least cell is discharged. If
> there is a great difference between the cells it will seem like the
> capacity is reduced so it is a good idea to balance the cells on the ground
> to increase capacity.
> We only need the battery to use the starting motor but it is a nice
> back-up if the charging system fails. The Rotax has two ignition systems
> that are independent from the charging system and each other so I haven't
> heard of ignition failures as much as fuel problems. Dead stick landings
> are usually affected more by stalling than the wings falling off so I think
> practice is more important than three batteries.
>
>
> Respectfully,
> Dennis Baber
> Cape Coral, Fl
> baberdk(at)gmail.com
> 305-814-7218
>
> Stay Curious
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Back-Up Battery |
| From: | "Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com> |
Reference cell balancing:
A small PC board is included in most serious "cordless" applications. Multi-function.
During discharge, it measures the total output current, and limits that.
Much like a active resettable fuse. Most are not adjustable, but instead selected
for the particular application current. Cells can be assembled in parallel
to boost current capacity, but that is not ideal, unless each has it's own
current control, and tied together with high current diodes. Still basically
in parallel, but also protected. And each cell voltage is monitored, and if
one cell is higher than others, a small leakage current is established, that
lowers the high cell voltage. It is minimal loss. The device also watches the
minimum total voltage and will shut it down, if too low.
During charge, the charging current and profile is regulated, AND the cells are
kept balanced, again by slight current bypass, for any cells which are too high.
If you simply take a rectified alternator output it will always be higher voltage
than the peak system battery voltage, to charge it to the max. (approx 13.8
for lead acid). With any of the high energy density cells, the charge regime
is very specific for the type of chemistry being charged. So that is why the
above control board is used (required), to charge properly, from a poorly regulated
engine source. And also why one pack can be "on-line" while the other
is charging unencumbered to it's proper maximum voltage and rate. With most of
these cells having a voltage of about 4 volts.. 3 cells will never be higher
than 12.6V. If a diode is used, that will drop .5-.6 volts so the 3 cells will
supply 12.1 max, down to 10.5. Some equipment can stand the higher voltage
provided by 4 cells (16.8 minus .5-.6 for 16.2 max). A starter motor would probably
be fine with the slightly higher voltage. Electronic devices are usually
regulated internally but.. look at the specs before proceeding.
Switching supplies can be used to boost or drop the battery voltage.. but that
adds significant complexity and cost for the high current applications.
The battery control boards are mass produced, and rather inexpensive. Each will
have specific cell count, and output current range.
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: Back-Up Battery |
| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
George 2Which aerovoltz battery do you have and what did t cost ?
Thank u Chris
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> On Feb 14, 2019, at 10:29 AM, Rick Neilsen wrote:
>
> I installed a Aerovoltz iron lithium battery in my redrive VW powered Kolb
MKIIIC in the summer of 2014. The battery has provided great service. The p
lane sits all winter while I'm in Florida and shows no measurable discharge.
I take my balancing charger out to the plane every spring and check the bat
tery cell balance. So far the voltages are within .1 volts and the balance c
harger can't improve that balance. These LiFe batteries don't seem to catch f
ire but they don't like to be over charged so I monitor the voltage while fl
ying. Areovoltz has published a advisory to not use their batteries with som
e Rotax charging systems that have caused a battery melt down. The battery w
eighs 10lbs less than my old lead acid batteries and has lasted one year lon
ger so far.
>
> Denny I don't understand what you are trying to say "Dead stick landings a
re usually affected more by stalling than the wings falling off so I think p
ractice is more important than three batteries"
>
> Rick Neisen
> Redrive WV Powered MKIIIC
>
>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 9:32 AM Denny Baber wrote:
>> Good info on Lithium batteries. Also, they need to have the cells "balanc
ed". They only charge until the cell with the most charge is charged and onl
y discharge until the cell with the least cell is discharged. If there is a g
reat difference between the cells it will seem like the capacity is reduced s
o it is a good idea to balance the cells on the ground to increase capacity.
>> We only need the battery to use the starting motor but it is a nice back-
up if the charging system fails. The Rotax has two ignition systems that are
independent from the charging system and each other so I haven't heard of i
gnition failures as much as fuel problems. Dead stick landings are usually a
ffected more by stalling than the wings falling off so I think practice is m
ore important than three batteries.
>>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> Dennis Baber
>> Cape Coral, Fl
>> baberdk(at)gmail.com
>> 305-814-7218
>>
>> Stay Curious
>>
>>
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Fixing my prop protractor |
I've had my Warp drive prop protractor for 13 years and I've found it to be
a valuable tool so when I found the level vial empty of fluid I was a bit
bummed. Today is sub freezing, icy, and generally TV worthy but I'm even
tired of that so I decided to track down a replacement vial. Turns out that
it's a Stanley part but they're out of stock. Found the right size at
McMaster Carr for less than $3 but shipping would probably push it up to
$15. More searching and thoughts about levels in general and I decided to
check out the string level sitting in a tool box out in the hangar. It's a
Swanson part that can be had at Lowe's, Amazon, and Harbor Freight. The
vial popped right out of the plastic frame of the string level and right
into the prop protractor. Problem solved and I can pick up a new string
level the next time I'm in The Big Tool Store (legendary local store where
you can walk the aisles for hours).
Rick
--
=9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D
Groucho Marx
<http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx>
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| From: | Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Hi Kolbers,
Tonight the shi pping sontractor showed up to take my Firestar to its new owner
in Missouri. The new owner is Mr. Brandon Goring, and I sincerely wish him the
best with this aircraft. It is my understanding thata he is going to put a 503
or other "appropriate" 2-stroke engine on it.
Just to give everyone here some comfort, please rest assured that I returned it
to almost stock configuration before I shipped it out. He is getting a safe airlane
that is not "wonky", "strange" or greatly modified like it was when I was
testing it. Please welcome Brandon and his aircraft to the Kolb List when he
arrives.
Importantly, I REMOVED the short extensions that raised the leading edge of the
stabilizers and bolted them back in their original location. This was strongly
suggested by John H and many others.
The tall landing gear is still on it, however I did give the original stock length
(aluminum) gear legs to the new owner with the aircraft in case he wants to
start with the short gear.
I had installed hydraulic brakes and Azusa aluminum wheels, instead of the cable
brakes. These were left on the aircraft because many Kolbs have been successful
with this upgrade,a nd it does not cause any abnormal characteristics.
This Kolb has the upgrade heavy duty tailwheel as sold by Kolb.
The 14 gallon plastic fuel tank was installed behind the pilot seat, since he indicated
it was going to be flown as a single seat aircraft.This tanks is just
about directly under the CG, so it will make the aircraft balance better and
with less concern than even the stock fuel system.
The vortex generators were left on the wings and tail, since these are now well
known to be a safe and beneficial upgrade.
I had installed stick-on trim tabs on the elevators and rudder. His engine installation
will more than likely require the tabs to be re-adjusted, but the majority
of Kolbs have stick-on trim tabs so I believe these are worth him keeping.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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| Subject: | Auto Response: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/16/19 |
Hello, I am away until 2019/3/1 and am unable to read your message.
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| Subject: | 912 installation photos? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
Greetings,
I'll be installing a 912 on the Slingshot, and I've been looking around for pictures
of similar 912 installations. With all the the stuff you have to mount
for a 912, there seems to be no standard location from the few pictures I've seen.
I'd be interested to see where others have mounted the radiator, reservoir,
oil tank, and oil cooler.
The oil cooler is the one item that appears to be mounted in the same place by
nearly everyone. Typically it hangs off the back of the engine mount, but they
make two oil coolers, a small and large. I've seen both used, so now I'm not
sure which one is needed for TN latitudes?
I've seen the radiator in front of the engine, but that may interfere with the
BRS canister.
I'll be putting the fuel tank where the rear seat would be, so there's an open
area below the engine. Unfortunately, I don't think any of this stuff can be
mounted inside there.
Thanks,
Rusty
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| Subject: | Re: 912 installation photos? |
| From: | "DavidGerdeman" <davidrgerdeman(at)gmail.com> |
Rusty,
I don't know if Ralph Burlingame from Michigan is on here but he is on the Facebook
page. Maybe he could take pictures of his Kolbra with a 912 ULS for us. Have
you watched his videos on YouTube? Might see something there too.
Can you email me at davidrgerdeman(at)gmail.com ? Slingshot talk...
--------
Sometimes flying, sometimes planning, hopefully soon to be building.
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| Subject: | Re: 912 installation photos? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
DavidGerdeman wrote:
> Rusty,
> I don't know if Ralph Burlingame from Michigan is on here but he is on the Facebook
page. Maybe he could take pictures of his Kolbra with a 912 ULS for us.
Have you watched his videos on YouTube? Might see something there too.
>
> Can you email me at davidrgerdeman(at)gmail.com ? Slingshot talk...
Good ideas David. I found some nice pictures linked to his FB page, and made some
captures from videos. If I need any specific details, I have to believe he'd
take some pictures since he doesn't seem to need much of a reason to use his
camera.
I noticed that he's got the smaller oil cooler, but most of his videos have snow
in them too. He also doesn't have a BRS in the way.
I considered mounting the BRS in the rear of the plane, but there isn't enough
room. The only other option is on the bottom of the fuselage, pointing backwards
of course. With the proper routing of the bridle, it's not a bad option really.
Rusty
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| Subject: | Re: 912 installation photos? |
| From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
13brv3 wrote:
>
> DavidGerdeman wrote:
> > Rusty,
> > I don't know if Ralph Burlingame from Michigan is on here but he is on the
Facebook page. Maybe he could take pictures of his Kolbra with a 912 ULS for us.
Have you watched his videos on YouTube? Might see something there too.
> >
> > Can you email me at davidrgerdeman(at)gmail.com ? Slingshot talk...
>
>
> Good ideas David. I found some nice pictures linked to his FB page, and made
some captures from videos. If I need any specific details, I have to believe
he'd take some pictures since he doesn't seem to need much of a reason to use
his camera.
>
> I noticed that he's got the smaller oil cooler, but most of his videos have snow
in them too. He also doesn't have a BRS in the way.
>
> I considered mounting the BRS in the rear of the plane, but there isn't enough
room. The only other option is on the bottom of the fuselage, pointing backwards
of course. With the proper routing of the bridle, it's not a bad option
really.
>
> Rusty
Rusty, I would be happy to send you any pictures that you need. Contact me on Facebook
messenger and I will give you my email address to send you pictures and/or
advice.
--------
Ralph B
Kolb Kolbra 912uls
N20386
550 hours
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| Subject: | 582 starter stud O-rings |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Going through the 582 on my MKIII, doing one of those REALLY SERIOUS annuals, needed
to replace all the O-rings that fit on the starter studs to shock mount
it to the starter cover plate.
Rotax is proud of those little puds, replacing all of them will run you about $100.
Went down to the local industrial supply place and showed them a printout of the
Rotax part sheet, he quickly figured out how the Metric sizing worked and was
able to order me some new (American) Metric O-rings; with shipping it came to
$50.28 delivered to the house. They fit perfectly.
Food for thought.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal (Ready for a test flight on the new 277)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 582 starter stud O-rings |
Richard- Along the same line, a few years ago a friend needed to replace a U-joint
on the stern drive of his boat. The dealer wanted $120 for the complete
assembly. I looked at it for him, and found that it was a standard 1100 series
Spicer Journal assembly. I think it was $14 at the time, and took us an hour
to install. A lot of these exotically expensive parts are commonly available,
if you care to look.
Bill Sullivan
Tarboro, NC
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2019, 9:18 PM
Pike"
Went down to the local industrial
supply place and showed them a printout of the Rotax part
sheet, he quickly figured out how the Metric sizing worked
and was able to order me some new (American) Metric O-rings;
with shipping it came to $50.28 delivered to the house. They
fit perfectly.
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 582 starter stud O-rings |
Richard and anyone else with a 582, For what it's worth McMaster Carr has
those o-rings for about $48 plus shipping. The difference is that's for 20
ship sets. Add $8 for shipping (o-rings ship in an envelope) and you and
nine buddies could do the starter set for $5.60 each. Since they last 15
years if you have six buddies chip in you could do the o-rings every 5
years and have a few of each size left over for spares.
Same kind of deal for 912 intake o-rings. About $10 for 50 from McMC or $15
EACH from Rotax.
Rick Girard
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 9:44 PM william sullivan
wrote:
> williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
>
> Richard- Along the same line, a few years ago a friend needed to replac
e
> a U-joint on the stern drive of his boat. The dealer wanted $120 for the
> complete assembly. I looked at it for him, and found that it was a
> standard 1100 series Spicer Journal assembly. I think it was $14 at the
> time, and took us an hour to install. A lot of these exotically expensiv
e
> parts are commonly available, if you care to look.
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Tarboro, NC
>
> Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2019, 9:18 PM
>
> Pike"
>
> Went down to the local industrial
> supply place and showed them a printout of the Rotax part
> sheet, he quickly figured out how the Metric sizing worked
> and was able to order me some new (American) Metric O-rings;
> with shipping it came to $50.28 delivered to the house. They
> fit perfectly.
>
>
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 582 starter stud O-rings |
That should have been you and eighteen buddies. That's based on the 6 x 3
o-ring coming in packs of 100 and all the others in packs of 50. Sorry
about that, I was thinking of least waste of the packs of 50.
Rick
PS if you need the 62 x 1.5 starter body o-ring they're $16.50 for 20 vs
$11.38 (part no 850500) EACH from Rotax and you need 2.
On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 5:18 PM Richard Girard wrote:
> Richard and anyone else with a 582, For what it's worth McMaster Carr has
> those o-rings for about $48 plus shipping. The difference is that's for 2
0
> ship sets. Add $8 for shipping (o-rings ship in an envelope) and you and
> nine buddies could do the starter set for $5.60 each. Since they last 15
> years if you have six buddies chip in you could do the o-rings every 5
> years and have a few of each size left over for spares.
> Same kind of deal for 912 intake o-rings. About $10 for 50 from McMC or
> $15 EACH from Rotax.
>
> Rick Girard
>
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 9:44 PM william sullivan
> wrote:
>
>> williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
>>
>> Richard- Along the same line, a few years ago a friend needed to
>> replace a U-joint on the stern drive of his boat. The dealer wanted $12
0
>> for the complete assembly. I looked at it for him, and found that it wa
s a
>> standard 1100 series Spicer Journal assembly. I think it was $14 at the
>> time, and took us an hour to install. A lot of these exotically expensi
ve
>> parts are commonly available, if you care to look.
>>
>> Bill Sullivan
>> Tarboro, NC
>>
>> Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2019, 9:18 PM
>>
>> Pike"
>>
>> Went down to the local industrial
>> supply place and showed them a printout of the Rotax part
>> sheet, he quickly figured out how the Metric sizing worked
>> and was able to order me some new (American) Metric O-rings;
>> with shipping it came to $50.28 delivered to the house. They
>> fit perfectly.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> --
> =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.
=9D Groucho Marx
> <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx>
>
>
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=9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D
Groucho Marx
<http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx>
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| From: | Pfatchantz <Pfatchantz(at)protonmail.ch> |
| Subject: | Re: 582 starter stud O-rings |
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| Subject: | Antenna Questions |
| From: | "slingshot003" <i2bxtn(at)gmail.com> |
No. 1: Will a handheld rubber ducky antenna suffice for airport traffic use?
No. 2: Can an external antenna be mounted 2-3ft from the engine?
No. 3: If mounted on Lexon, does the antenna need a ground plane, & if so, how
large should it be & would the ground plane need to be grounded to the air frame?
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Antenna Questions |
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 2:43 PM slingshot003 wrote:
>
> No. 1: Will a handheld rubber ducky antenna suffice for airport traffic
> use?
>
Barely!
>
> No. 2: Can an external antenna be mounted 2-3ft from the engine?
>
Mount your antenna on the bottom, attach it to a round alum ground plane
riveted to the cross members there.
>
> No. 3: If mounted on Lexon, does the antenna need a ground plane, & if so,
> how large should it be & would the ground plane need to be grounded to the
> air frame?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487825#487825
>
>
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| From: | west1m West <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Antenna Questions |
I use a hand held using a Ram Mount with the antenna sticking through the w
ind shield with a rubber grommet in the windshield. It has worked real well
except the wind noise. I have started using a leather mic cover with a tin
y hole , this has made me more clear. But the radio itself and 8" or so ant
enna works well
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No. 1: Will a handheld rubber ducky antenna suffice for airport traffic use
?
Barely!
No. 2: Can an external antenna be mounted 2-3ft from the engine?
Mount your antenna on the bottom, attach it to a round alum ground plane ri
veted to the cross members there.
No. 3: If mounted on Lexon, does the antenna need a ground plane, & if so,
how large should it be & would the ground plane need to be grounded to the
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna Questions |
| From: | "slingshot003" <i2bxtn(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the replies.
I found out that all our antennas need a ground plane, as it is the other half
of the dipole antenna. It can be the airframe itself grounded to the antenna,
or a sheet of aluminum, or even sticky-back copper foil tapped to lexon in the
form of 4 to 8 spokes that have a radius equal to the length of the antenna
(shorter works but not as good.) They need to be soldered at their intersection.
Craft stores carry the foil tape.
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| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Antenna Questions |
>
> Check with a local ham radio club. They they have testing equipment
> they might think it's a unique enough project they might come out and help
> you for free.
To find a club maybe check with arrl.org and you should be able to find or
search for a ham radio club near you
Boyd Young
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| From: | John Hauck <jhauck36(at)outlook.com> |
| Subject: | More Kolb History |
I flew my Firestar from Alabama to OSH 1989 via Homer Kolb's in PA, Bert Ho
wland's, Maryland, NY, The Flight Farm, Monterey, NY, Niagara Falls, Sault
St Marie, Canada, down the west side of Lake Michigan to OSH. Dick Rahill
and I had a lot of fun flying at OSH. We had been flying the UL traffic pa
ttern a while trying to outdo each other until the last landing. We were l
anding to the south. In 1989 we had to make a hard right hook, right befor
e touchdown, to land. Dick and I were making that turn tighter and tighter
. This photo shows Dick flying the Kolb Factory Firestar, the 1985 Oshkosh
Grand Champion UL just prior to it being totaled. I had just landed, pull
ed off the airstrip, turned around and caught Dick in full stall just prior
to impact. He rolled it up in a ball. Homer kept the wreckage for many,
many years before he rebuilt it. I had flown this Firestar at Sun and Fun
1985 before they took it to OSH. The last trip to PA to visit Homer I got
to fly the FS with a DC 503. It was a high performer and fun to fly. Rest
in peace, Homer and Clara.
john h
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | John Hauck <jhauck36(at)outlook.com> |
| Subject: | More Kolb History |
Forgot to add in my previous: Shot photo through my FS windshield.
john
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2019 3:42 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: More Kolb History
I flew my Firestar from Alabama to OSH 1989 via Homer Kolb's in PA, Bert Ho
wland's, Maryland, NY, The Flight Farm, Monterey, NY, Niagara Falls, Sault
St Marie, Canada, down the west side of Lake Michigan to OSH. Dick Rahill
and I had a lot of fun flying at OSH. We had been flying the UL traffic pa
ttern a while trying to outdo each other until the last landing. We were l
anding to the south. In 1989 we had to make a hard right hook, right befor
e touchdown, to land. Dick and I were making that turn tighter and tighter
. This photo shows Dick flying the Kolb Factory Firestar, the 1985 Oshkosh
Grand Champion UL just prior to it being totaled. I had just landed, pull
ed off the airstrip, turned around and caught Dick in full stall just prior
to impact. He rolled it up in a ball. Homer kept the wreckage for many,
many years before he rebuilt it. I had flown this Firestar at Sun and Fun
1985 before they took it to OSH. The last trip to PA to visit Homer I got
to fly the FS with a DC 503. It was a high performer and fun to fly. Rest
in peace, Homer and Clara.
john h
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: More Kolb History |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
John, did that airplane have a normal gap seal? Just looking at the picture it
is hard to see it.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal (Ready for a test flight on the new 277)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.
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| From: | JC Gilpin <j.gilpin(at)bigpond.com> |
| Subject: | More Kolb History |
This story just reminds us that we are still waiting for JH's history of
his adventures with Kolb. We'd really like to read it an have it recorded.
It's aviation history that'll never be repeated......
JG
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: More Kolb History |
Richard/Kolbers:
I don't remember for sure. I imagine it was the standard white nylon gap
seal that came with the FS kits at the time.
You are referring to the "center section" I am assuming.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2019 8:20 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: More Kolb History
John, did that airplane have a normal gap seal? Just looking at the picture
it is hard to see it.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal (Ready for a test flight on the new 277)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is
amazing.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487958#487958
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | More Kolb History |
Hi John G/Kolbers:
You are absolutely right, John G. I don't think it will be repeated.
As I look back 35 years ago, this month, when I bought my first Kolb
kit, every day was a new day of building, modifying, experimenting, and
making mistakes. The cross country flights were virgin territory
everywhere I went. Most important the lasting friendships from people I
met along the way. Most of the people I know, I met through these
little airplanes.
I have one more adventure to get under my belt before I settle down.
Next month I turn 80. I plan to celebrate my 80th year by cruising the
Great Loop https://www.greatloop.org/ . It is an approximately 6,000
mile route along the waterways of the Tombigbee and Mobile Rivers, Gulf
of Mexico, the Atlantic Coast, Hudson River, Erie Canal, Lakes Erie,
Huron, and Michigan, the Illinois, Mississippi, Ohio, and Tennessee
Rivers, and finally the Tennessee-Tombigbee Waterway back to Demopolis,
Alabama, where I plan to start my trip. I'm also going to try to visit
Fort Hamilton, where John Wilkes Booth was imprisoned, on the Dry
Tortugas, 75 miles out of Key West, Florida, while I am in that area.
Entire cruise should take about 2 to 3 months depending on the
situation. I do not have a schedule to follow or dead lines to meet. I
may make this an annual affair until I get too old to enjoy. ;-)
Then I should have time to get started on the Memories of a Retired Army
Aviator. In fact, writing would be a good pass time for the days, maybe
weeks, of getting weathered in with nothing to do but polish Grumpy, my
25 foot Rosborough RF-246. Should have plenty time. I don't plan on
doing too much polishing on Grumpy.
To keep this Kolb oriented, I plan on meeting Marcus Kolb when I am in
the Philadelphia, PA, area. I have a lot of Army and airplane friends
that live along this route that I plan to visit.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of JC Gilpin
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2019 2:00 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: More Kolb History
This story just reminds us that we are still waiting for JH's history of
his adventures with Kolb. We'd really like to read it an have it
recorded. It's aviation history that'll never be repeated......
JG
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| Subject: | Re: More Kolb History |
| From: | Lanny Lambdin <lambdinwilliam(at)gmail.com> |
You are pretty amazing, John! Hope I am still flying when I hit 80 , much l
ess
planning a trip such as yours!
Best of weather to you,
Lanny Lambdin
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 7, 2019, at 8:46 AM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Hi John G/Kolbers:
>
> You are absolutely right, John G. I don't think it will be repeated. As I
look back 35 years ago, this month, when I bought my first Kolb kit, every d
ay was a new day of building, modifying, experimenting, and making mistakes.
The cross country flights were virgin territory everywhere I went. Most i
mportant the lasting friendships from people I met along the way. Most of t
he people I know, I met through these little airplanes.
>
> I have one more adventure to get under my belt before I settle down. Next
month I turn 80. I plan to celebrate my 80th year by cruising the Great Lo
op https://www.greatloop.org/ . It is an approximately 6,000 mile route alo
ng the waterways of the Tombigbee and Mobile Rivers, Gulf of Mexico, the Atl
antic Coast, Hudson River, Erie Canal, Lakes Erie, Huron, and Michigan, the I
llinois, Mississippi, Ohio, and Tennessee Rivers, and finally the Tennessee-
Tombigbee Waterway back to Demopolis, Alabama, where I plan to start my trip
. I'm also going to try to visit Fort Hamilton, where John Wilkes Booth was
imprisoned, on the Dry Tortugas, 75 miles out of Key West, Florida, while I
am in that area. Entire cruise should take about 2 to 3 months depending o
n the situation. I do not have a schedule to follow or dead lines to meet.
I may make this an annual affair until I get too old to enjoy. ;-)
>
> Then I should have time to get started on the Memories of a Retired Army A
viator. In fact, writing would be a good pass time for the days, maybe week
s, of getting weathered in with nothing to do but polish Grumpy, my 25 foot R
osborough RF-246. Should have plenty time. I don't plan on doing too much p
olishing on Grumpy.
>
> To keep this Kolb oriented, I plan on meeting Marcus Kolb when I am in the
Philadelphia, PA, area. I have a lot of Army and airplane friends that liv
e along this route that I plan to visit.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
>
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of JC Gilpin
> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2019 2:00 AM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: More Kolb History
>
> This story just reminds us that we are still waiting for JH's history of h
is adventures with Kolb. We'd really like to read it an have it recorded. It
's aviation history that'll never be repeated......
> JG
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| Subject: | Need parts list/plan prints for Firestar |
| From: | "Snakestr" <snakestr(at)yahoo.com> |
Greetings fellow Kolb enthusiasts,
I just got a nice old Kolb Firestar and am trying to get a hold of a parts list/booklet
and/or the plans prints to get to know all about the bird. I have all
the engine info, and the builder manual for the Firestar, but it seems to be
lacking any parts info that would be pertinent to ensuring correct parts/assembly
and replacing anything I may need to.
I will be looking for some Kolbs next month @ SNF when I go, but would like to
see if anyone here can point me in the right direction or if anyone has anything
that may help. Emailing Kolb didn't get a reply, but didn't pursue it further,
yet.
Thanks for any help, hope to see some of you @ SNF, and any help is greatly appreciated,
Thanks,
Steve
--------
Kolb Firestar new to me
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| Subject: | Re: Need parts list/plan prints for Firestar |
| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
I have a wrecked one with a blue print book and misc parts. Looking for anything
in particular?
--------
West1m
Hastings, MN
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| Subject: | Re: Need parts list/plan prints for Firestar |
| From: | "Snakestr" <snakestr(at)yahoo.com> |
Looking for any info on parts I may need in the future. And would like to see the
designed mounting setup for the wings and struts and landing gear. Would also
be nice to have measurements to bounce the rigging against. Easier to see how
it was planned to be put together when deciding to replace parts or making
sure they are actually there/correct and not left out by one of the previous owners.
Dont think I need any parts now, but a parts book/list or prints might tell me
otherwise. Lol
Steve
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Kolb Firestar new to me
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| Subject: | Re: Need parts list/plan prints for Firestar |
| From: | "slingshot003" <i2bxtn(at)gmail.com> |
I too am looking for all the associated prints, part list, builder manual, and
operating manual fora 7 rib KXP Firestar. I spoke with Kolb & this is no longer
available.
It sure would be nice if we as a group could digitize this stuff (that is no longer
availble from Kolb) so it can be preserved and made available so that second
hand Kolb owners are not left to figure things out for themselves. It would
make for a safer Kolb community and it would be greatly appreciated to those
new to Kolb aircraft.
I have a scanner & will pay for postage of KXP material; scan them and return it
to you; then make it available to for all to use. It would be best if someone
with a website would store this stuff.
As helpful as the Kolb Company is, I'd bet they would even put a link to it on
their website.
I still have the prints for my old Twinstar MK II. If they are no longer available
from Kolb, then I would donate them to someone who needs them on the condition
that they digitize them and make them available for the future needs of
others. -Richard Swiderski
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487986#487986
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| Subject: | Re: Need parts list/plan prints for Firestar |
| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
I have seen a link to one of the books here on this site but I am not sure which
model it was.
It would be a project to get my Firestar book all together and posted I may have
to do that...
--------
West1m
Hastings, MN
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| Subject: | Re: Need parts list/plan prints for Firestar |
| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
Richard I believe I hav the builders manual for the KXP as I built and flew on
19 years ago do you have the means to copy it and return it to me ? I wish to
hold on to it for old times sake. CHRIS
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 9, 2019, at 11:15 AM, slingshot003 wrote:
>
>
> I too am looking for all the associated prints, part list, builder manual, and
operating manual fora 7 rib KXP Firestar. I spoke with Kolb & this is no longer
available.
>
> It sure would be nice if we as a group could digitize this stuff (that is no
longer availble from Kolb) so it can be preserved and made available so that second
hand Kolb owners are not left to figure things out for themselves. It would
make for a safer Kolb community and it would be greatly appreciated to those
new to Kolb aircraft.
>
> I have a scanner & will pay for postage of KXP material; scan them and return
it to you; then make it available to for all to use. It would be best if someone
with a website would store this stuff.
>
> As helpful as the Kolb Company is, I'd bet they would even put a link to it on
their website.
>
> I still have the prints for my old Twinstar MK II. If they are no longer available
from Kolb, then I would donate them to someone who needs them on the condition
that they digitize them and make them available for the future needs of
others. -Richard Swiderski
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487986#487986
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need parts list/plan prints for Firestar |
| From: | "slingshot003" <i2bxtn(at)gmail.com> |
Chris,
That would be great! Yes I can scan up to legal size pages. Send me an email
at i2bxtn(at)gmail.com and we can work out the details.
Thank you.
Richard Swiderski
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| Subject: | Re: Need parts list/plan prints for Firestar |
| From: | "Dennis Urban" <urband(at)juno.com> |
Seems like you are getting what you need, but if not, I have a complete set of
blue prints rolled up in a tube (way beyond legal size, very large, blue print
size - something like 2' x 3') for a Firestar KXP 7 rib, back from the Phoenixville.
PA Kolb days. I do not believe there ever was a build manual, just those
blue prints with their notes.
If you don't get what you need, contact me. I won't part with them, but I could
take them to Staples and get them reproduced (probably cost over $50 - I did
that once before). If you are nearby, we could meet at Staples. I live near
Upperstrasburg, PA 17265
Dennis Urban
denniswurban at gmail
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| Subject: | Re: Need parts list/plan prints for Firestar |
| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
I made a copy of the 1989 Firefly manual today. I had trouble getting the link
to work, I try to make it work better when I can but if you feel like trying here
is a link.
www.west1m.com/flyin/FireflyManual.zip
I have some Firestar prints also I will try to do the same with those if anyone
thinks these were worth the effort.
--------
West1m
Hastings, MN
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| From: | Richard Swiderski <i2bxtn(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/13/19 |
Thank you for the offer. As my FireStar KXP plans are no longer available,
I for one would be interested in your offer. -Richard Swiderski
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> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Need parts list/plan prints for Firestar
> From: "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com>
>
>
> I made a copy of the 1989 Firefly manual today. I had trouble getting the
> link
> to work, I try to make it work better when I can but if you feel like
> trying here
> is a link.
> www.west1m.com/flyin/FireflyManual.zip
> I have some Firestar prints also I will try to do the same with those if
> anyone
> thinks these were worth the effort.
>
> --------
> West1m
> Hastings, MN
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/13/19 |
| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
Richard if you want me to send the KXP builders manual why don=99t you
give me your address and I will mail it ?This discussion has been going on f
or days yet I haven=99t seen an address . It=99s simple address ,
manual done deal . Chris
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 14, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Richard Swiderski wrote:
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> Thank you for the offer. As my FireStar KXP plans are no longer available
, I for one would be interested in your offer. -Richard Swiderski
>
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>> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Need parts list/plan prints for Firestar
>> From: "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com>
>>
>>
>> I made a copy of the 1989 Firefly manual today. I had trouble getting the
link
>> to work, I try to make it work better when I can but if you feel like try
ing here
>> is a link.
>> www.west1m.com/flyin/FireflyManual.zip
>> I have some Firestar prints also I will try to do the same with those if a
nyone
>> thinks these were worth the effort.
>>
>> --------
>> West1m
>> Hastings, MN
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/14/19 |
Chris,
I=99m sorry for the mix up. Earlier, I sent my address & phone numbe
r to
your yahoo email. I re-sent it today just in case. If you still do not
get my email, leave a message on my land line (352-three 07-9009). Thank
you for voluntarily putting yourself through this trouble for me, a
stranger. =93Richard Swiderski
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> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/13/19
>
> Thank you for the offer. As my FireStar KXP plans are no longer availabl
e,
> I for one would be interested in your offer. -Richard Swiderski
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> > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Need parts list/plan prints for Firestar
> > From: "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> > I made a copy of the 1989 Firefly manual today. I had trouble getting t
he
> > link
> > to work, I try to make it work better when I can but if you feel like
> > trying here
> > is a link.
> > www.west1m.com/flyin/FireflyManual.zip
> > I have some Firestar prints also I will try to do the same with those i
f
> > anyone
> > thinks these were worth the effort.
> >
> > --------
> > West1m
> > Hastings, MN
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488055#488055
> >
> >
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> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/13/19
> From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
>
> Richard if you want me to send the KXP builders manual why don=99t you
> give me your address and I will mail it ?This discussion has been going
> on f
> or days yet I haven=99t seen an address . It=99s simple address ,
> manual done deal . Chris
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 14, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Richard Swiderski
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for the offer. As my FireStar KXP plans are no longer
> available
> , I for one would be interested in your offer. -Richard Swiderski
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> >> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Need parts list/plan prints for Firestar
> >> From: "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> I made a copy of the 1989 Firefly manual today. I had trouble getting
> the
> link
> >> to work, I try to make it work better when I can but if you feel like
> try
> ing here
> >> is a link.
> >> www.west1m.com/flyin/FireflyManual.zip
> >> I have some Firestar prints also I will try to do the same with those
> if a
> nyone
> >> thinks these were worth the effort.
> >>
> >> --------
> >> West1m
> >> Hastings, MN
> >>
> >>
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| Subject: | Re: Need parts list/plan prints for Firestar |
| From: | "Snakestr" <snakestr(at)yahoo.com> |
West1m,
Thanks for the manual, although its a firefly, it has some good info.
Pages 16 and 18 are too blurry to read(camera shake?), but the rest can be zoomed
in and easily readable.
I am sure it will help many.
Thanks again,
Steve
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | flight to Rome,Or |
https://vimeo.com/324836152
password- owyheeflyer
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| Subject: | Re: flight to Rome,Or |
| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
Great flight looks like it was a bit bumpy here and there.
The rocky cliffs look great, much different than farm fields.
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West1m
Hastings, MN
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
My hangar is on a somewhat sloped hill, I take off down hill, land up hill, and
drag the airplane up the side slope of the hill to get it back into the hangar.
The older I get, the less I enjoy dragging the airplane back uphill into the
hangar.
Today I had a happy time - attached a winch that drags the airplane back into the
hangar for me!
When Harbor Freight puts this little winch on sale it is $50. Not too bad, and
then my son works in a garage, and was able to gift me a used battery that still
works good enough to drive the winch.
So here's what I ended up with: replace the original steel winch cable with paracord.
Cheap, #500 working load, and a lot easier to live with than metal cable.
Bolt the rig to something sturdy, get your self a pulley, and you are good to go!
The winch has a remote control fob, which makes it easy to move around in the hangar
and align the tailwheel to the ramp, check the rope winding up on the spool,
etc. It is not very fast, but that is not a bad thing; gives you time to
make sure nothing is going to go where you don't want it.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal (Ready for a test flight on the new 277)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | Re: Hangar winch |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
On 3/21/2019 5:40 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> My hangar is on a somewhat sloped hill, I take off down hill, land up hill, and
drag the airplane up the side slope of the hill to get it back into the hangar.
The older I get, the less I enjoy dragging the airplane back uphill into
the hangar.
> Today I had a happy time - attached a winch that drags the airplane back into
the hangar for me!
> When Harbor Freight puts this little winch on sale it is $50. Not too bad, and
then my son works in a garage, and was able to gift me a used battery that still
works good enough to drive the winch.
> So here's what I ended up with: replace the original steel winch cable with paracord.
Cheap, #500 working load, and a lot easier to live with than metal cable.
> Bolt the rig to something sturdy, get your self a pulley, and you are good to
go!
> The winch has a remote control fob, which makes it easy to move around in the
hangar and align the tailwheel to the ramp, check the rope winding up on the
spool, etc. It is not very fast, but that is not a bad thing; gives you time to
make sure nothing is going to go where you don't want it.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal (Ready for a test flight on the new 277)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.
>
Looks good, but 500 lbs would worry me a bit, if I had to stand in the
possible arc of a snapped line. "Be careful out there."
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| Subject: | Re: Hangar winch |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
Nice, inexpensive solution to a problem. Very clever!
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| Subject: | Re: My Firestar 2 Build |
| From: | "loctupdave" <loctupdave(at)att.net> |
I haven't posted for a while, when the weather is below 0 or even 20 the hanger
is just to dang cold to work in.
The engine is moving on. I had to order starter o rings thanks to the oil injection
leaking over the starter and taking out the o rings. I still need to rebuild
the carbs and install the starter. I went with the Challenger muffler mount.
Here are a couple of pics.
(http://s275.photobucket.com/user/dngspot/media/front_zpszgldaco0.jpg.html)
(http://s275.photobucket.com/user/dngspot/media/under%20muffler_zpsbvqdnbad.jpg.html)
(http://s275.photobucket.com/user/dngspot/media/carb%20side_zpsi0rbjqmw.jpg.html)
Forgive the messy shop.
I spent the day working on the landing gear legs. The right tube was a bit small
about half way in. I ordered a reamer and took care of that.
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: My Firestar 2 Build |
Question- Is there much chance of the muffler mount cracking? Stainless?
Bill Sullivan
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On Sat, 3/23/19, loctupdave wrote:
I haven't posted for a while, when the
weather is below 0 or even 20 the hanger is just to dang
cold to work in.
The engine is moving on. I had to order
starter o rings thanks to the oil injection leaking over the
starter and taking out the o rings. I still need to rebuild
the carbs and install the starter. I went with the
Challenger muffler mount. Here are a couple of pics.
(http://s275.photobucket.com/user/dngspot/media/front_zpszgldaco0.jpg.html)
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: My Firestar 2 Build |
Yeah, stainless can crack just like anything else. Id just keep my eye on it. Itll
crack before It breaks.
George H
Firestar
14GDH
Mesick, Michigan
gdhelton(at)gmail.com
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> On Mar 23, 2019, at 4:29 PM, william sullivan wrote:
>
>
> Question- Is there much chance of the muffler mount cracking? Stainless?
>
> Bill Sullivan
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sat, 3/23/19, loctupdave wrote:
>
>
>
> I haven't posted for a while, when the
> weather is below 0 or even 20 the hanger is just to dang
> cold to work in.
> The engine is moving on. I had to order
> starter o rings thanks to the oil injection leaking over the
> starter and taking out the o rings. I still need to rebuild
> the carbs and install the starter. I went with the
> Challenger muffler mount. Here are a couple of pics.
>
> (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/dngspot/media/front_zpszgldaco0.jpg.html)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My Firestar 2 Build |
| From: | "loctupdave" <loctupdave(at)att.net> |
Thank you for the attention. I will keep an eye on the bracket.
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| Subject: | Re: My Firestar 2 Build |
| From: | "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com> |
Interesting talk about muffler brackets. This is what happened to me yesterday
on a short flight to Amery airport. I was already in my seat when the the guy
I was chatting with asked what was wrong with my muffler. It was kind of angled
a bit funny.He then helped me wire it together so it wouldn't fall off and scratch
up my prop..
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West1m
Hastings, MN
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| Subject: | Re: My Firestar 2 Build |
| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
My shop only looks that good if I just finished cleaning for about four hours
!Nice looking work
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 23, 2019, at 4:29 PM, william sullivan wrote:
>
>
> Question- Is there much chance of the muffler mount cracking? Stainless?
>
> Bill Sullivan
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sat, 3/23/19, loctupdave wrote:
>
>
>
> I haven't posted for a while, when the
> weather is below 0 or even 20 the hanger is just to dang
> cold to work in.
> The engine is moving on. I had to order
> starter o rings thanks to the oil injection leaking over the
> starter and taking out the o rings. I still need to rebuild
> the carbs and install the starter. I went with the
> Challenger muffler mount. Here are a couple of pics.
>
> (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/dngspot/media/front_zpszgldaco0.jpg.html)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: My Firestar 2 Build |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
zeprep251(at)aol.com wrote:
> I dont recommend isolating the exhaust system from the engine. I think it should
be one with the engine,as tight and secure as you can make it.
>
Unless your secondary goal is to get rid of vibration. Then you isolate it from
the engine, keep it tight at the connections, and flexible at the mounts. Then
(IMO) you have the best solution: reliability and less vibration.
The original muffler mounting on the 277 on the Firefly was set up to be tight,
and it shook worse than you could imagine. We assumed it was because it was a
single. Wrong. it was because the muffler was too tight.
A single cylinder engine waving that muffler back and forth 5,000 times a minute
was a disaster waiting to happen. And it very nearly did: during the 45 minute
ferry flight from the test field to David's hangar it broke 3 out of 4 new
muffler hangars.
The first picture shows that setup with the original curlyque muffler.
The current setup is in the later pictures, there is no stress on the muffler hangars
and vibration is about 90% less, and at 5500 rpm (the sweet spot for this
engine) there is literally no vibration now.
The goal was to let the engine move without it also moving the muffler - or at
least moving it as little as possible. So far it seems like a good plan.
Addendum: test flew the Firefly Saturday with the fan cooled 277, (the pictures
show the original engine) first flight since the blackberry patch adventure last
year, and it flew as nice as ever, engine ran good, but wouldn't idle right.
Will be swapping the carb out today for a new one that we just happened to
have. When you have a partner who has had even more U/L type airplanes over the
last 30 years than you have, there seems to be no lack of spare parts...
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal (Ready for a test flight on the new 277)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | John Hauck <jhauck36(at)outlook.com> |
| Subject: | Re: My Firestar 2 Build |
I use rubber hanger straps, scrounged from my local muffler shop, look like they
are made from conveyor belt material, for vibration isolation for other applications,
but would probably work well for an exhaust hanger.
I remember many years ago when I discovered the problem of over soft Lord Mounts
on my FS/447. Thrust and torque was causing the engine to get way out of line.
While down at Brother Jim's in Tallahassee, Florida, one flight, I got the
bright idea of using shock absorber donuts to make up some engine mounts. Jim
zipped them up with the TIG welder and I flew back to Titus, Alabama. Before
I got home the entire exhaust system was disintegrating from vibration. Reckon
the airframe would have been next had I had a longer flight.
Vibration is some bad stuff.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: Kolb-List: Re: My Firestar 2 Build
zeprep251(at)aol.com wrote:
> I dont recommend isolating the exhaust system from the engine. I think it should
be one with the engine,as tight and secure as you can make it.
>
Unless your secondary goal is to get rid of vibration. Then you isolate it from
the engine, keep it tight at the connections, and flexible at the mounts. Then
(IMO) you have the best solution: reliability and less vibration.
The original muffler mounting on the 277 on the Firefly was set up to be tight,
and it shook worse than you could imagine. We assumed it was because it was a
single. Wrong. it was because the muffler was too tight.
A single cylinder engine waving that muffler back and forth 5,000 times a minute
was a disaster waiting to happen. And it very nearly did: during the 45 minute
ferry flight from the test field to David's hangar it broke 3 out of 4 new
muffler hangars.
The first picture shows that setup with the original curlyque muffler.
The current setup is in the later pictures, there is no stress on the muffler hangars
and vibration is about 90% less, and at 5500 rpm (the sweet spot for this
engine) there is literally no vibration now.
The goal was to let the engine move without it also moving the muffler - or at
least moving it as little as possible. So far it seems like a good plan.
Addendum: test flew the Firefly Saturday with the fan cooled 277, (the pictures
show the original engine) first flight since the blackberry patch adventure last
year, and it flew as nice as ever, engine ran good, but wouldn't idle right.
Will be swapping the carb out today for a new one that we just happened to
have. When you have a partner who has had even more U/L type airplanes over the
last 30 years than you have, there seems to be no lack of spare parts...
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal (Ready for a test flight on the new 277)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | 582 ignition parts for sale |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
This winter I replaced the ignition coils and coil triggers in my 582. Because
this engine is at least 20 years old, it just seemed like a good idea, even though
what I had was working OK.
HOWEVER - some of you are aware that there has been a problem with the Rotax coils
where the wires got gummy, and the insulation sort of went all wonky, deteriorating.
That was my situation, so I cut out some of the original wires and
soldered in new ones, and then potted the new wires in silicone. Have had zero
problems since. Five years with no problems.
But I found a good deal on some brand new coils, and I replaced the wonky ones.
So now I am selling the old ignition coils and trigger coils, because that seemed
better than just throwing them in the trash.
I have two ignition coils, part # 966-462, and two trigger coils part # 961-761,
and 961-769.
$35 for all, that includes shipping, maybe someone would like to have them for
test purposes.
PM me.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal (Ready for a test flight on the new 277)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | anyone have a spare pointy nose cone |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
Greetings,
I'm looking for a new nose cone for the current SlingShot project. I've seen pictures
with both the older round nose, and the newer pointy nose, so I'm assuming
they're interchangeable. I've asked Kolb about it, but since it's SNF week,
I don't really expect to hear from them until sometime next week.
In the mean time, I thought I'd ask if anyone knows for sure that the two types
are interchangeable, and also if anyone happens to have a new nose cone they
don't need.
Thanks,
Rusty
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| From: | Pfatchantz <Pfatchantz(at)protonmail.ch> |
| Subject: | Re: anyone have a spare pointy nose cone |
What is the cost now?? last I knew and with a bad memory...450 bucks?? That was
8 years ago...memory again?? Same as used on a Firefly?
I bought a damaged one from Travis back many years ago for 75 bucks. The instrument
panel was de laminated which suited be for I wanted to be able to detach
it to access the rear.
Herb
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On Monday, April 1, 2019 11:18 AM, 13brv3 <13brv3(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> I'm looking for a new nose cone for the current SlingShot project. I've seen
pictures with both the older round nose, and the newer pointy nose, so I'm assuming
they're interchangeable. I've asked Kolb about it, but since it's SNF week,
I don't really expect to hear from them until sometime next week.
>
> In the mean time, I thought I'd ask if anyone knows for sure that the two types
are interchangeable, and also if anyone happens to have a new nose cone they
don't need.
>
> Thanks,
> Rusty
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488404#488404
>
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| Subject: | Re: anyone have a spare pointy nose cone |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
Pfatchantz(at)protonmail. wrote:
> What is the cost now?? last I knew and with a bad memory...450 bucks?? That
was 8 years ago...memory again?? Same as used on a Firefly?
Cost is one of the questions I asked, but I don't expect a reply anytime soon due
to SNF. I fear it will be high enough that I'll be compelled to fix the one
I have, and I really despise fiberglass work. I wonder if I can make an all
aluminum nose :-)
Rusty
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: anyone have a spare pointy nose cone |
My (actually, our) friend in FL who used to make rotary bits & pieces has
an original Twinstar with an aluminum tube/fabric covered nose. Probably
about 1/4 the weight of the F-glass nose on mine (the one I bought from
him). Just a thought...
On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 4:03 PM 13brv3 <13brv3(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Pfatchantz(at)protonmail. wrote:
> > What is the cost now?? last I knew and with a bad memory...450 bucks??
> That was 8 years ago...memory again?? Same as used on a Firefly?
>
>
> Cost is one of the questions I asked, but I don't expect a reply anytime
> soon due to SNF. I fear it will be high enough that I'll be compelled to
> fix the one I have, and I really despise fiberglass work. I wonder if I
> can make an all aluminum nose :-)
>
> Rusty
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488412#488412
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>
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: anyone have a spare pointy nose cone |
Consider bringing it to a local auto body repair shop. They all do fiberglass
work. I fixed my own, and modified the lower flange for a compass. It was
smelly, but worked just fine.
Bill Sullivan
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On Mon, 4/1/19, 13brv3 <13brv3(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: anyone have a spare pointy nose cone
Cost is one of the questions I asked,
but I don't expect a reply anytime soon due to SNF. I
fear it will be high enough that I'll be compelled to fix
the one I have, and I really despise fiberglass work.
I wonder if I can make an all aluminum nose :-)
Rusty
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| Subject: | Re: anyone have a spare pointy nose cone |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the comments. I'm happy to report that the nose cone I have isn't nearly
as bad as it initially looked. There are plenty of extra holes to fill
up, but there's really only one side with a significant deformity. Even new cones
need some work to fit, so it may not be that much more work. I'll still
wait to hear what Kolb says about a new one, but most likely the cost will push
me toward just fixing this one.
Cheers,
Rusty
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: anyone have a spare pointy nose cone |
Your best bet is to fix the old one, and save up your money to buy a new
one when you screw the old one up. Ask me how I obtained this brilliant
piece of knowledge.
Larry
On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 6:37 PM 13brv3 <13brv3(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the comments. I'm happy to report that the nose cone I have
> isn't nearly as bad as it initially looked. There are plenty of extra
> holes to fill up, but there's really only one side with a significant
> deformity. Even new cones need some work to fit, so it may not be that
> much more work. I'll still wait to hear what Kolb says about a new one,
> but most likely the cost will push me toward just fixing this one.
>
> Cheers,
> Rusty
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488431#488431
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: anyone have a spare pointy nose cone |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
lcottrell wrote:
> Your best bet is to fix the old one, and save up your money to buy a new one
when you screw the old one up. Ask me how I obtained this brilliant piece of knowledge.
> Larry
>
LOL! Screwing one up certainly makes the price of a new one look better. Of course
fiberglass will give you the opportunity to screw it up multiple times...
Rusty
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| Subject: | Re: anyone have a spare pointy nose cone |
| From: | "slingshot003" <i2bxtn(at)gmail.com> |
Hello Rusty,
My present FS has a longer (about 10") nose cone which tappers down to a very slender
front nose, but it is not pointed, it is flattened. It completely changes
the FS from its gawky blunt nose to a sleek, streamlined plane. In my opinion,
it is much more attractive than Kolb's longer version. I absolutely love
the look, but I designed my trailer around the short stubby nose, so in short,
it makes my FS much harder to load as I now have to go up and over the original
wheel well.
With great pain to my vanity, I am planning in the near future to replace it with
an old stubby nose that I acquired years ago. At my point in life, function
trumps beauty, so my thoughts were to sell it for half the price of Kolb's longer
nose cone.
One of my FS's previous owners still has the mold. If I ever track him down, it
would be a great asset to be made available to the Kolb community. It truly
is a work of art. -Richard Swiderski
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| Subject: | Re: anyone have a spare pointy nose cone |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Richard,
I think you're FS has been telling lies :-)
It's a neat look, but I'm trying to keep the overall length as short as possible
for easier trailering and storage. My garage is just barely long enough for
the stock nose.
Thanks,
Rusty
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| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Bryan Melborn Has a New Toy |
I sold my electric unicycle to Bryan Melborn today at Sun-N-Fun. If you see
him get him to sell a few Kolb airplanes in between riding around the
airport. Better yet buy a Kolb yourself.
We were stirring up the traffic Nazis. When I pushed the unicycle through
the gate, I was told that they didn't allow bicycles it isn't it is a
unicycle, then those things aren't allowed inside the inner gate that I was
riding out of to go to paradise city. Bryan got real bold and rode it down
to the main runway area. During all this bicycles, electric and gas
scooters, motorcycles, cars, trucks etc. were zipping around unencumbered
everywhere.
Anyway hot some rain, airplanes etc. Good show. No John H this year.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bryan Melborn Has a New Toy |
I didn't get any photos of Bryan riding the unicycle and I can't find a
video of me driving the unicycle but I did find a youtube video of the
unicycle. See the following. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L64O9NTx2yE
Sorry not Kolb related
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 6:50 PM Rick Neilsen wrote:
> I sold my electric unicycle to Bryan Melborn today at Sun-N-Fun. If you
> see him get him to sell a few Kolb airplanes in between riding around the
> airport. Better yet buy a Kolb yourself.
>
> We were stirring up the traffic Nazis. When I pushed the unicycle through
> the gate, I was told that they didn't allow bicycles it isn't it is a
> unicycle, then those things aren't allowed inside the inner gate that I was
> riding out of to go to paradise city. Bryan got real bold and rode it down
> to the main runway area. During all this bicycles, electric and gas
> scooters, motorcycles, cars, trucks etc. were zipping around unencumbered
> everywhere.
>
> Anyway hot some rain, airplanes etc. Good show. No John H this year.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
>
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| From: | big Al <skydiveal(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bryan Melborn Has a New Toy |
bryan and myself (owner of firefly al force one) both cracked a rib on that
thing lmao at the sun and fun my grandson did vid my fall=C2- im sure it
will be out there soon lol
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From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Apr 6, 2019 11:41 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Bryan Melborn Has a New Toy
I didn't get any photos of Bryan riding the unicycle and I can't find a vid
eo of me driving the unicycle but I did find a youtube video of the unicycl
e. See the following.=C2-=C2-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L64O9NTx
2yE
Sorry not Kolb related
Rick NeilsenRedrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 6:50 PM Rick Neilsen wrote:
I sold my electric unicycle to Bryan Melborn today at Sun-N-Fun. If you see
him get him to sell a few Kolb airplanes in between riding around the airp
ort. Better yet buy a Kolb yourself.
We were stirring up the traffic Nazis. When I pushed the unicycle through t
he gate, I was told that they didn't allow bicycles it isn't it is a unicyc
le, then those things aren't allowed inside the inner gate that I was ridin
g out of to go to paradise city. Bryan got real bold and rode it down to th
e main runway area. During all this bicycles, electric and gas scooters, mo
torcycles, cars, trucks etc. were zipping around unencumbered everywhere.
=C2-
Anyway hot some rain, airplanes etc. Good show. No John H this year.
Rick NeilsenRedrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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| Subject: | 277 keeps falling off the pipe |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Situation: the Firefly now has a different Rotax 277 on it, 2.58:1 reduction and
a 62" two blade Ivoprop. Engine runs great, all the numbers are good, but it
won't stay stable on the pipe.
It will run stabily at 5700 or above, but as soon as you retard the throttle even
a little, it slowly reduces the rpm's to 4700 and then stabilizes. Give it
a hair of throttle and it begins to slowly increase rpm and stabilizes again back
at at 5700.
Years ago I had a Rotax 532 on my MKIII that would do the same thing because it
was overpropped with a three blade 64" Ivo. Removed one of the blades and it
would then stabilize pretty well at most any rpm.
So the question is this - anyone else have a similar experience with a 2-stroke
engine that kept falling off/climbing back up the pipe, and if so, did you cure
it by reducing the prop length/prop load? I would like some confirmation/reassurance/feedback
before I start shortening the prop.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal (Ready for a test flight on the new 277)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | Re: 277 keeps falling off the pipe |
| From: | "slingshot003" <i2bxtn(at)gmail.com> |
Richard,
Is the exhaust a stock 277 exhaust pipe? If not, an improper taper in the tuned
section could be the cause.
Also, adjusting the midrange/full power jetting in your carb might help. I would
theorize that an overly rich mixture in the problematic throttle range could
produce those symptoms, but you say the egt numbers are good so that doesn't
seem likely. -Richard Swiderski
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| Subject: | Kolb Plans Correction |
| From: | "slingshot003" <i2bxtn(at)gmail.com> |
Kolbers,
A few weeks back, I said I spoke with Kolb about the getting the plans and builders
manual and was told they do not have any for the FS KXP. Well I spent some
time talking with Bryan Melborn at Sun & Fun, and he said they have plans
and manuals for all the models. -Richard Swiderski
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| Subject: | Re: 277 keeps falling off the pipe |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
slingshot003 wrote:
> Richard,
>
> Is the exhaust a stock 277 exhaust pipe? If not, an improper taper in the tuned
section could be the cause. -Richard Swiderski
Well, yes and no, I am starting to think no.
The original pipe was a curlyque like the one in the bottom left of the attachment,
but we wanted to try something to reduce the engine vibration, and I found
a supplier of tapered cones for people who are fabricating their own exhausts
and headers. Short version; got a cone that was exactly the right taper and
diameter at both the top and bottom when cut to the length as referenced according
to the top center pipe in the catalog. At 16 3/4" long, the top diameter
where it welds to the can is the same as the diameter of the opening in the can.
The diameter at the bottom (small end) is the same as the diameter of the 879-190
female joint connection.
Consequently I would have bet money that the straight section would be identical
to a stock Rotax pipe with that configuration, but I am starting to think it
is not.
Flew it twice last night, took a bit of pitch out of the prop each time, trying to compensate for it maybe being overpropped; this chart shows the correct prop diameter and pitch for a 277: http://www.ultralightnews.ca/articles/rotaxproprecommendation.htm
Since we are running a 62" two blade IVO, it seemed possible we are overpropped,
However I flew it twice more today each time taking out pitch, to the point
that you can't even give it full throttle or it will overspeed, and that was not
helpful, so I think I will assume it is not overpropped.
I think I weld the original curleyque pipe back on and see if it runs properly.
If that issue gets fixed, then I'll worry about the vibration.
Or sell it and get a different engine.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | "Jack Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Richard's rpm seaking engine |
Richard,
Your problem may be caused by oscillation of the slide and spring in the
body of the carburetor.
Bosch makes several different springs. Try a heavier or stronger spring.
I had the same trouble with my 447 and a stronger spring cured it.
Jack B. Hart, FireFly 004
Winchester, Indiana
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| From: | "Jack Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Richard's rpm seaking engine |
Richard,
Your problem may be caused by oscillation of the slide and spring in the
body of the carburetor.
Bosch makes several different springs. Try a heavier or stronger spring.
I had the same trouble with my 447 and a stronger spring cured it.
Jack B. Hart, FireFly 004
Winchester, Indiana
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| From: | whiskeyvictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 277 keeps falling off the pipe |
I once removed the exhaust system from a Rotax 447, sent it out for refinis
hing of the exterior.=C2- It was sand blasted and plated with a ceramic p
roduct.=C2- When it was returned to me, I could hear what sounded like pi
eces of sand inside the muffler if it was turned over or shaken.=C2- Trie
d blowing and vacuuming it out to no avail.=C2- Assembled it onto the 447
and went flying.=C2- I had not changed anything other than the exhaust r
efinishing.=C2- However, the 447 acted pretty much just like what you des
cribed.=C2- It would not hold a steady RPM.=C2- I thought incorrectly t
hat the sand pieces were maybe to blame.=C2- Although the plane had set f
or several weeks, I assumed the tuning of the carb should still be OK.=C2
- BUT, because I didn't really know what else to do, I changed the needle
position.=C2- I can't recall which way it was moved (up or down) but the
next flight resulted in a proper running engine that would hold the RPM se
lected.=C2- Maybe the temperature had changed requiring the needle to be
re-positioned.=C2- All of this was years ago, I got older and can't recal
l all the details.
Bill VarnesFireStar 447 RotaxAudubon NJ
In a message dated 4/9/2019 9:39:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, thegreybaron@
charter.net writes:
So the question is this - anyone else have a similar experience with a 2-st
roke engine that kept falling off/climbing back up the pipe, and if so, did
you cure it by reducing the prop length/prop load? I would like some confi
rmation/reassurance/feedback before I start shortening the prop.
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| Subject: | Wanted - Kolb Firestar II Prefer 503 |
| From: | "shaypete" <shaypete(at)gmail.com> |
I am looking to buy a nice Kolb Firestar II. I would prefer a Rotax 503 and the
second seat option. I can be reach through this forum or my email shaypet(at)gmail.com.
Raleigh, NC
Peter
PS willing to travel for the right one.
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| From: | Pfatchantz <Pfatchantz(at)protonmail.ch> |
| Subject: | Re: Wanted - Kolb Firestar II Prefer 503 |
Peter
Not a bad trip..I am in Allen Co.,Ky....542 miles...looks to be an overn
ite trip. Leave early...4 am or so...load by 3 pm and head home...overnite
in Knoxville or there bouts..
any how...This is a 2004 Firestar II..Engine has 450 hours..electric sta
rt 503 DCDI. Shows some wear and tear..but now bad for the age...Register
ed EAB. Three blade Power Fin...EIS box..full instruments...ELT locator. s
trobes...10 gals.. For 12k, I am tossing in a low time engine, Expired BRS
. Herb
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On Sunday, April 21, 2019 8:39 AM, shaypete wrote:
>
> I am looking to buy a nice Kolb Firestar II. I would prefer a Rotax 503 a
nd the second seat option. I can be reach through this forum or my emailsha
ypet(at)gmail.com.
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
> Peter
> PS willing to travel for the right one.
>
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| Subject: | Re: 277 keeps falling off the pipe |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
I think we are back on track, new muffler installation, flew it six times this
evening, the vibration is gone. So we are half way home. Also came to the conclusion
that the prop is too long and the engine is too loaded down. As long as
you keep the Firefly in a shallow descent, the engine does not hunt at all, it
stays at a constant throttle setting. Raise the nose and load up the prop and
it falls off the pipe.
So now we need to learn what is a good length of prop for a 277 with a 2.58:1 gearbox.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 277 keeps falling off the pipe |
Richard, I've lost the part of this thread where you said what the 277 is
propped at now. Can you measure the pitch? I've got a couple of props
around here I can loan you if we can get close.
Rick
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 8:29 PM Richard Pike
wrote:
>
>
> I think we are back on track, new muffler installation, flew it six times
> this evening, the vibration is gone. So we are half way home. Also came t
o
> the conclusion that the prop is too long and the engine is too loaded dow
n.
> As long as you keep the Firefly in a shallow descent, the engine does not
> hunt at all, it stays at a constant throttle setting. Raise the nose and
> load up the prop and it falls off the pipe.
> So now we need to learn what is a good length of prop for a 277 with a
> 2.58:1 gearbox.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really i
s
> amazing.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488874#488874
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| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 277 keeps falling off the pipe |
Richard
Good luck with prop selection it's a pain
Sorry to change the subject but I see a white strip on the back of the Kolb
part of the motor mount. What is it.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:29 PM Richard Pike
wrote:
>
> I think we are back on track, new muffler installation, flew it six times
> this evening, the vibration is gone. So we are half way home. Also came to
> the conclusion that the prop is too long and the engine is too loaded down.
> As long as you keep the Firefly in a shallow descent, the engine does not
> hunt at all, it stays at a constant throttle setting. Raise the nose and
> load up the prop and it falls off the pipe.
> So now we need to learn what is a good length of prop for a 277 with a
> 2.58:1 gearbox.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is
> amazing.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488874#488874
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| Subject: | Re: 277 keeps falling off the pipe |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
rickofudall wrote:
> Richard, I've lost the part of this thread where you said what the 277 is propped
at now. Can you measure the pitch? I've got a couple of props around here
I can loan you if we can get close.
>
> Rick
That is very generous, thank you. We are using an Ivoprop and the problem is the
length. We have tried taking the pitch out and that helps, but in order to make
the engine behave, we have to way under pitch it. So we are going to shorten
it down as soon as we figure out what length it needs to be.
And to Rick Neilsen: just as an experiment, we got several super bright LED strips
and hooked them up to a cheap sequence flasher to see how they worked as strobes.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2Pcs-17CM-Universal-COB-LED-Strip-Car-Daytime-Running-Fog-Lamp-DRL-Driving-Strip/223078189539?hash=item33f07f09e3:m:mj_Z4BzKmmoMH7vefuvwlew
You can see them from a couple miles away when it is almost dark, but they are
no way as bright as one of Dick Kuntzelman's units. They main thing they have
going for them is they were cheap and it was an interesting way to spend an afternoon.
OTOH, if there is anyone overtaking me on final, they'll for sure see
it!
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | Tires, wheels and brakes? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
Greetings,
I'm working on an old Slingshot, and it currently has Van-K 6"x4" aluminum wheels,
and MCP hydraulic brakes. These seem like quality items, and I have no problem
with either, other than the fact that I'd prefer split hub wheels to these
one piece wheels.
The problem is the tires. They're ancient, and really low quality Duro tires that
appear to be for mowers? The size is 15 6.00-6. The wheels don't allow the
use of tubes, and aircraft tires in this size are rarely tubeless. I think
there are a few, but they're over $300 each, and for that price, I'd rather just
replace the wheels and brakes (if needed) to get split hubs.
Question 1- Is there a good quality tubeless tire that will fit these wheels?
I will be operating almost entirely from paved strips. I'm very hesitant to
run lawnmower tires on a plane, since I'd hate to have to explain to the FAA why
I installed tires like that if there's an accident involving one of them.
Duro, Carlisle, and some others exist in a 15x6.00-6 size, but even the 4ply doesn't
inspire confidence.
Question 2- If there's no reasonably priced tire for these wheels, is there a reasonably
priced tire/wheel/hydraulic brake package that uses aircraft tires?
I was looking at Black Max, but those seem to have the same issue as what I have,
except that they do offer split hubs. Their tires are Carlisle, and I'm
not sure if you could use a tube and aircraft tire with the Black Max wheels.
Thanks,
Rusty
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| Subject: | Re: Tires, wheels and brakes? |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
An a&p friend brought me a pair of Citrabria tube type=C2- 6x6 'take-offs
' that I installed on the BlackMax one peice wheels on Tracy's Twinstar=2E
No tubes and no air added in almost 2 years=2E
=81=A3Charlie=8B
On Apr 23, 2019, 12:42 PM, at 12:42 PM, 13brv3 <13brv3@gmail=2Ecom> wrote:
>
>Greeting
s,
>
>I'm working on an old Slingshot, and it currently has Van-K 6"x4"
>al
uminum wheels, and MCP hydraulic brakes=2E These seem like quality
>items
, and I have no problem with either, other than the fact that I'd
>prefer s
plit hub wheels to these one piece wheels=2E
>
>The problem is the tires
=2E They're ancient, and really low quality Duro
>tires that appear to be
for mowers? The size is 15 6=2E00-6=2E The wheels
>don't allow the use of
tubes, and aircraft tires in this size are
>rarely tubeless=2E I think th
ere are a few, but they're over $300 each,
>and for that price, I'd rather
just replace the wheels and brakes (if
>needed) to get split hubs=2E
>
>Que
stion 1- Is there a good quality tubeless tire that will fit these
>wheels?
I will be operating almost entirely from paved strips=2E I'm
>very hesi
tant to run lawnmower tires on a plane, since I'd hate to have
>to explain
to the FAA why I installed tires like that if there's an
>accident involvin
g one of them=2E Duro, Carlisle, and some others exist
>in a 15x6=2E00-6 s
ize, but even the 4ply doesn't inspire confidence=2E
>
>Question 2- If th
ere's no reasonably priced tire for these wheels, is
>there a reasonably pr
iced tire/wheel/hydraulic brake package that uses
>aircraft tires? I was l
ooking at Black Max, but those seem to have the
>same issue as what I have,
except that they do offer split hubs=2E Their
>tires are Carlisle, and I'
m not sure if you could use a tube and
>aircraft tire with the Black Max wh
eels=2E
>
>Thanks,
>Rusty
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tires, wheels and brakes? |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
The Carlisle tires are junk. They are made for golf carts. Kolb originally supplied
them on my Xtra. I replaced them with Goodyear Aircraft tires. They are
expensive but worth the money in my opinion. I use Matco split rims and went
with two Matco calipers on each wheel. I also use tubes. Very happy with the
results.
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| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tires, wheels and brakes? |
I don't spend money I don't need to, that is why I have a VW on my MKIII. I
have been flying the Carlisle tires since I got them with my Kolb kit. They
have served me well. They do shake a bit till I touch the brakes after take
off and that maybe is a need for balancing? I have had a few flats from
leaking Matco wheels and a few pinched tubes but that isn't the fault of
the tires. Most of my flying has been off grass so I haven't had much wear.
A few years ago I moved from my own grass strip to a real airport with
paved runways so now my tires need to be replaced but that is 26 years of
service. Will you get better service from aircraft tires?? I don't like
paying insurance and a bunch of lawyers that add no value to aircraft parts.
As usual worth what you paid for it.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 4:51 PM Rex Rodebush wrote:
>
> The Carlisle tires are junk. They are made for golf carts. Kolb
> originally supplied them on my Xtra. I replaced them with Goodyear
> Aircraft tires. They are expensive but worth the money in my opinion. I
> use Matco split rims and went with two Matco calipers on each wheel. I
> also use tubes. Very happy with the results.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tires, wheels and brakes? |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
To expand on this (I was previously typing on my phone), the tires are
6.00-6, standard fare on most small/mid size certified a/c, and were
removed from the Citabria at annual due to wear (only a hint of tread
groove still showing). Intended for tube operation on split wheels. I
mounted them on the one-piece wheels on the Kolb without any tubes. I've
probably added air to my RV's tube type, split rim tires 3 or 4 times
since installing the Kolb tires, and have never added air to the Kolb. I
really didn't know if running them tubeless would work, but it seems
that as long as the tire (and its bead) and the rim are both in good
shape, they'll hold air for a looong time.
If 6.00-6 tires will fit your rims, it might be worth taking a shot at
picking up a couple of freebies, like I did. A busy maintenance shop
likely has several pairs lying around.
Charlie
On 4/23/2019 2:17 PM, Charlie England wrote:
> An a&p friend brought me a pair of Citrabria tube type 6x6
> 'take-offs' that I installed on the BlackMax one peice wheels on
> Tracy's Twinstar. No tubes and no air added in almost 2 years.
>
> Charlie
> On Apr 23, 2019, at 12:42 PM, 13brv3 <13brv3(at)gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> I'm working on an old Slingshot, and it currently has Van-K 6"x4" aluminum
wheels, and MCP hydraulic brakes. These seem like quality items, and I have
no problem with either, other than the fact that I'd prefer split hub wheels
to these one piece wheels.
>
> The problem is the tires. They're ancient, and really low quality Duro tires
that appear to be for mowers? The size is 15 6.00-6. The wheels don't allow
the use of tubes, and aircraft tires in this size are rarely tubeless. I
think there are a few, but they're over $300 each, and for that price, I'd rather
just replace the wheels and brakes (if needed) to get split hubs.
>
> Question 1- Is there a good quality tubeless tire that will fit these wheels?
I will be operating almost entirely from paved strips. I'm very hesitant
to run lawnmower tires on a plane, since I'd hate to have to explain to the
FAA why I installed tires like that if there's an accident involving one of them.
Duro, Carlisle, and some others exist in a 15x6.00-6 size, but even the
4ply doesn't inspire confidence.
>
> Question 2- If there's no reasonably priced tire for these wheels, is there
a reasonably priced tire/wheel/hydraulic brake package that uses aircraft tires?
I was looking at Black Max, but those seem to have the same issue as what
I have, except that they do offer split hubs. Their tires are Carlisle, and
I'm not sure if you could use a tube and aircraft tire with the Black Max wheels.
>
> Thanks,
> Rusty
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tires, wheels and brakes? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for all the comments. I pretty much expected opinions to vary from use
anything that holds are, to use only certified tires.
I understand the Carlisle (and other cheap tires) tend to have balance issues,
and balance weights will likely end up in the prop as part of Murphy's law of
pusher engines. Other than the fact that they don't rate them for speed, the
4 ply Carlisles seem sufficient for the Slingshot. The path of least (effort
and financial) resistance would be to try a pair, and since they're only $23 each
from Amazon, I might just do that.
BlackMax told me they don't make wheels for tubes, but they do have a 6x6 wheel
that has the hole in the center, where it would be on a normal split rim. It's
a one piece wheel.
Desser said they have a Aero Classic tubeless tire for $226 each. Sounds like
it's a Cirrus tire. It's 6 ply, which is way overkill, and from what I understand
the higher ply tires are very hard to mount on one piece wheels. BTW, I
always wondered why most aircraft tires need tubes from how well the beads tend
to seal. I guess the split in the rim is the typical reason. It might be worth
trying some cheap 6x6 aircraft tires without the tubes on the one-piece wheels.
Finally, there's Matco, which may be an option, but they have so many confusing
types on their page that I eventually give up after staring at it for a while.
Thanks,
Rusty
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tires, wheels and brakes? |
Rusty, I=99ve basically ran those very brands for many years. Your wor
ry is not realistic. I now run Black Max brakes and one piece wheels. I have
two sets , 6=9Dinch wide for my booney tires 15 X 6 and 6X4 Aero som
ething from Aircraft Spruce for paved runways. There rated for 70 mph.
Both set are mounted tubeless. I=99ve never in 34 years of flying ultr
alights had a blowout.
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> On Apr 23, 2019, at 1:40 PM, 13brv3 <13brv3(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> I'm working on an old Slingshot, and it currently has Van-K 6"x4" aluminum
wheels, and MCP hydraulic brakes. These seem like quality items, and I ha
ve no problem with either, other than the fact that I'd prefer split hub whe
els to these one piece wheels.
>
> The problem is the tires. They're ancient, and really low quality Duro ti
res that appear to be for mowers? The size is 15 6.00-6. The wheels don't a
llow the use of tubes, and aircraft tires in this size are rarely tubeless.
I think there are a few, but they're over $300 each, and for that price, I'
d rather just replace the wheels and brakes (if needed) to get split hubs.
>
> Question 1- Is there a good quality tubeless tire that will fit these whee
ls? I will be operating almost entirely from paved strips. I'm very hesit
ant to run lawnmower tires on a plane, since I'd hate to have to explain to t
he FAA why I installed tires like that if there's an accident involving one o
f them. Duro, Carlisle, and some others exist in a 15x6.00-6 size, but even
the 4ply doesn't inspire confidence.
>
> Question 2- If there's no reasonably priced tire for these wheels, is ther
e a reasonably priced tire/wheel/hydraulic brake package that uses aircraft t
ires? I was looking at Black Max, but those seem to have the same issue as w
hat I have, except that they do offer split hubs. Their tires are Carlisle,
and I'm not sure if you could use a tube and aircraft tire with the Black M
ax wheels.
>
> Thanks,
> Rusty
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488906#488906
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| From: | Pfatchantz <Pfatchantz(at)protonmail.ch> |
| Subject: | Re: Tires, wheels and brakes? |
Naturally I would jump in with my scrounging method...The local AP/IA gives me
tires..They are pulls but many have a lot of wear left. Herb
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On Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:16 PM, 13brv3 <13brv3(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the comments. I pretty much expected opinions to vary from use
anything that holds are, to use only certified tires.
>
> I understand the Carlisle (and other cheap tires) tend to have balance issues,
and balance weights will likely end up in the prop as part of Murphy's law of
pusher engines. Other than the fact that they don't rate them for speed, the
4 ply Carlisles seem sufficient for the Slingshot. The path of least (effort
and financial) resistance would be to try a pair, and since they're only $23 each
from Amazon, I might just do that.
>
> BlackMax told me they don't make wheels for tubes, but they do have a 6x6 wheel
that has the hole in the center, where it would be on a normal split rim. It's
a one piece wheel.
>
> Desser said they have a Aero Classic tubeless tire for $226 each. Sounds like
it's a Cirrus tire. It's 6 ply, which is way overkill, and from what I understand
the higher ply tires are very hard to mount on one piece wheels. BTW, I always
wondered why most aircraft tires need tubes from how well the beads tend
to seal. I guess the split in the rim is the typical reason. It might be worth
trying some cheap 6x6 aircraft tires without the tubes on the one-piece wheels.
>
> Finally, there's Matco, which may be an option, but they have so many confusing
types on their page that I eventually give up after staring at it for a while.
>
> Thanks,
> Rusty
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488917#488917
>
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| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tires, wheels and brakes? |
>
> To balance tires i got this this idea from Nick Casara.
Instead of using stick on weights inside the rim. I took a tubeless
tire patch taped it on the light side of the tread till the tire would
Ballance. Un mounted the tire mount the patch on the inside of the
tire tread.
Remount the tire using talcum powder to keep the tube from sticking to the
patch. Keep the bead of the tire free of talc.
Balanced tire with no visible weights to fall off.
Just mark the tire, rim and tube so final assembly is the same as when
first tested.
Boyd Young
Mkiii Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Tires, wheels and brakes? |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
Just to give a little background on my experience with Carlisle tires. I had about
140 landings (on pavement) with the ones furnished by Kolb. The Cord was
showing so I replaced them with another set of Carlisle's. After installing
on the rims I added about 6 oz. of weight on one and it still would not balance.
I then noticed that the runout on that tire was well over 1/2 inch in one
spot. I think the cord was overlaped too much (made in China). I also had a
very difficult time seating the tire on the rim due to poor manufacturing tolerances.
I decided to run it anyway and see if it was a problem. At a very, very
fast taxi it was hardly noticeable. At a normal taxi speed it was like going
over a 1/2 +" high speed bump and was in resonance with the landing gear. Very
bouncy, not good.
I then replaced them with Goodyear 8.00-6 tires. They seated on the rims very
nicely and had no noticeable runout. They are also 6 ply where the Carlisle's
had 4 ply. The downside is that the Goodyears are about 2.3# heaver per tire
and of course the high cost. Anyway, we'll see how long they last. My landings
are much slower and better now so that should help.
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| Subject: | Re: Tires, wheels and brakes? |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
I forgot to add that the Goodyear tires required very little balance weights.
I think I used about 3/4 oz on one and a little more on the other. Not sure it
they really needed it but decided to balance them anyway.
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| Subject: | Re: Tires, wheels and brakes? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks again. I like the wheels and brakes, so I'm going to try one of the less
expensive aircraft tires, but without the tube. I have to believe that's a
better option than the Carlisle, and hardly any more expensive.
Thanks,
Rusty
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| Subject: | Re: Tires, wheels and brakes? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
After some further research, it appears the Van-K wheels I have are actually two
piece rims, not one-piece. All their current videos show the welded one-piece
wheels, so I overlooked the bolt-together rims that were also on their site.
I'll know for sure when I take them apart, but certainly I'll need new o-rings
for the center, and valve stems. This will make mounting the tires much easier.
Thanks again,
Rusty
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| Subject: | Re: Tires, wheels and brakes? |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
On 4/24/2019 8:19 AM, 13brv3 wrote:
>
> After some further research, it appears the Van-K wheels I have are actually
two piece rims, not one-piece. All their current videos show the welded one-piece
wheels, so I overlooked the bolt-together rims that were also on their site.
I'll know for sure when I take them apart, but certainly I'll need new o-rings
for the center, and valve stems. This will make mounting the tires much
easier.
>
> Thanks again,
> Rusty
>
If they don't have the smaller dia recess in the center of the rim, it
would certainly be tough (impossible?) to mount a tire without splitting
the wheel. My one piece BlackMax wheels have a deep recess, just like
automotive tires. It was relatively easy to mount my tires. How wide
are your rims? IIRC, mine are close to 6" between the rims.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Tires, wheels and brakes? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
ceengland7(at)gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> If they don't have the smaller dia recess in the center of the rim, it
> would certainly be tough (impossible?) to mount a tire without splitting
> the wheel. My one piece BlackMax wheels have a deep recess, just like
> automotive tires. It was relatively easy to mount my tires. How wide
> are your rims? IIRC, mine are close to 6" between the rims.
>
> Charlie
>
Hopefully I won't have to find out. I did learn a few "facts" about tube type
tires that don't seem to match the reports I've read here. In theory, tube type
tires are to be designed with pin hole leaks, rather than being sealed. The
idea is that no air can get trapped between the tube and tire. I asked Desser
if that was really still true, mentioning the reports of people using them with
no tubes, and no leaks. I haven't heard back from them yet.
The cheapest tubeless aircraft tire I can find is made by Goodyear, at about $160
each. They're 6 ply, which is overkill, and I'd be afraid they'd be too hard
to mount if the wheels were one piece, but if they're really two piece, I'll
probably get a set of these and have no nagging concerns about tires in the
future.
Rusty
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| Subject: | off-the-shelf seat options? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
Greetings,
I've read that you can find boat seats or cushions that are close to what we'd
need for the front seat of a FireStar/SlingShot, but the ones I've found seem
too large. Spruce has a couple reasonably priced options as well, but again,
there will need to be modifications. What's the closest off-the-shelf seat you've
found?
FWIW, the seat bottom is 12.25" wide, 16" deep. I'd want 1.5-2" thickness. The
seat back is 22" tall, but tapered from 11" wide at the bottom, to 7.75" wide
at the top.
Thanks,
Rusty
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| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: off-the-shelf seat options? |
https://www.overtons.com/moeller-replacement-white-cushion-set-for-2070-seat-355109.html?CAWELAID=120071730000281298&s_kwcid=adwords__&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5p2i-K2H4gIVlsRkCh0xxATLEAQYDiABEgJJM_D_BwE
I couldn't find dimensions but there is a phone number to call. It did say
3.5 pounds.
Boyd Young
Mkiii UT
On Mon, May 6, 2019, 9:57 AM 13brv3 <13brv3(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> I've read that you can find boat seats or cushions that are close to what
> we'd need for the front seat of a FireStar/SlingShot, but the ones I've
> found seem too large. Spruce has a couple reasonably priced options as
> well, but again, there will need to be modifications. What's the closest
> off-the-shelf seat you've found?
>
> FWIW, the seat bottom is 12.25" wide, 16" deep. I'd want 1.5-2"
> thickness. The seat back is 22" tall, but tapered from 11" wide at the
> bottom, to 7.75" wide at the top.
>
> Thanks,
> Rusty
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=489105#489105
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: off-the-shelf seat options? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks, but I've found any number of similar links. What I'm looking for is something
that's known to work. I do need it to fold, and some boat seats do fold,
but most have too much thickness in the seat bottom.
This is the closest thing I've found so far for cushions. The bottom is probably
OK, though a bit too wide. The back would need some work.
http://www.noralenterprises.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=35_46&product_id=84
Rusty
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| Subject: | Re: off-the-shelf seat options? |
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
13brv3 wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> ...S...N..I..P...
>
> FWIW, the seat bottom is 12.25" wide, 16" deep. I'd want 1.5-2" thickness.
The seat back is 22" tall, but tapered from 11" wide at the bottom, to 7.75"
wide at the top.
>
> Thanks,
> Rusty
I know that you are looking for "Off the Shelf", however, for sizing, comfort and
price, I chose to make my own. Biggest issue being size. At 6'3", I couldn't
afford to give away any more room than necessary.
The foundation for both the back and the bottom are from 1/4" plywood.
For the back , used 1" thick foam.
For the seat bottom, I used seat cushion foam (memory foam) from WICKS. There are
different thicknesses and densities. Your weight and sitting height will dictate
these. (I think I used 1 1/2" thick, medium density.)
The 1" foam for the back and black vinyl for covering both the seat and the back
came from a local fabric shop.
For added safety, I used sheet aluminum (at least .090, maybe .125) for the seat
bottom. Fabricated a similar setup for the rear seat. Used fabric shop foam
for the back seat cushion to lower cost. The rear seat setup is easily removeable.
The attached image will give you a general idea of the setup. Sorry there's not
a better shot of the seat bottom. If you need additional images, let me know
and I'll try to get some within a week.
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503
E-LSA N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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| Subject: | Re: off-the-shelf seat options? |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
I have a bad back and tried several "off the shelf" seats in a simulated wood fuselage
to find the most comfortable one. Wound up using the standard sling seat
with several layers of Temper Foam in the seat, back and lumber area. Very
easy on the back even after a 2+ hour flight.
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| Subject: | Re: off-the-shelf seat options? |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
Guess it really isn't a sling seat as it's fabric is supported at three places.
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| Subject: | Re: off-the-shelf seat options? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
As I recall, my original SS seat was foam from a life preserve seat cushion, and
my wife sewed a vinyl cover for it. There's no reason I can't improve on that
with some better foam, and material, but if there's something out there that
will work, and isn't stupid expensive, that's probably the path of least resistance.
I'm 6-1 but it's all torso, so I never have head room, but legroom is not usually
a problem. I had about 1" foam in the original seat bottom and back, but I'd
probably go for 1.5-2 in the bottom, and maybe 2" in the back.
I also won't use the rear seat, so there's no reason for the seat back to be that
narrow. I can fairly easily make a new seat back structure to fit any seat
back cushion I find. I need to go find a marine supply place to look around
in, which was much easier in FL than here in TN.
Thanks,
Rusty
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| Subject: | search all of Craigs list |
| From: | "herbgh" <herbgh(at)juno.com> |
Thought this might be useful...as it is a good way to link to pics of any airplane
or aviation item that is listed for sale on Craigs list... Herb
http://www.searchcraigslist.org/
I may be the last fellow to know about it....
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| Subject: | Re: search all of Craigs list |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
On 5/6/2019 9:09 PM, herbgh wrote:
>
> Thought this might be useful...as it is a good way to link to pics of any airplane
or aviation item that is listed for sale on Craigs list... Herb
>
> http://www.searchcraigslist.org/
>
> I may be the last fellow to know about it....
>
>
Haven't seen that one, but here's another:
https://www.searchtempest.com/
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| Subject: | Re: 277 keeps falling off the pipe |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
IT WORKS!
Over the last couple of weeks we tried taking 2" off the prop length; no improvement.
But a 60" prop is still plenty of prop for a 277, so no real harm done.
We were about ready to turn the 277 into a boat anchor, and then something stirred
way back in the memory banks - Back in 1983, I had a Maxair Hummer with a
277 on it, and when it was new, the engine ran properly with factory jetting.
After several months of flying and getting well broken in, it got wonky. Kind
of like this one.
Something we noticed on this engine, you could not get the EGT's above 950 under
load. If you went smaller on the needle jet, then it would not accept throttle.
If you lowered the jet needle lower than normal, it would not accept throttle.
The low and mid range was too lean.
So we took off the intake silencer, took everything back to stock jetting. No improvement.
The symptoms were constant: would not run normally between 5200 and
5800. It would run fast, or it would run slow, but not at a usable rpm.
So we decided to go bigger on the low end jets and and then see if it would accept
smaller top end jets. Bingo!
Stock jets are a 148 main, a 2.72 needle jet, an 8L2 jet needle in the middle #2
clip position, and a 45 idle jet.
Now running a 145 main jet, a 2.70 idle jet, an 8G2 jet needle with the clip in
the bottom #3 position, and a 50 idle jet. Set the Ivoprop so that it turns 5900
on climbout and it runs perfect, EGT stays about 1025, good throttle response.
Finally.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.
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| Subject: | Re: 277 keeps falling off the pipe |
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
Richard Pike wrote:
> IT WORKS!
>
> ...S ...N ...I ...P
>
> Finally.
Flaming enthusiasm, backed up by horse sense and persistence, is the quality that
most frequently makes for success. Dale Carnegie
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503
E-LSA N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 277 keeps falling off the pipe |
Awesome troubleshoot and fix. Congratulations on a job well done.
Definitely one for the archives!
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IT WORKS!
Over the last couple of weeks we tried taking 2" off the prop length; no
improvement. But a 60" prop is still plenty of prop for a 277, so no real
harm done.
We were about ready to turn the 277 into a boat anchor, and then something
stirred way back in the memory banks - Back in 1983, I had a Maxair Hummer
with a 277 on it, and when it was new, the engine ran properly with factory
jetting. After several months of flying and getting well broken in, it got
wonky. Kind of like this one.
Something we noticed on this engine, you could not get the EGT's above 950
under load. If you went smaller on the needle jet, then it would not accept
throttle. If you lowered the jet needle lower than normal, it would not
accept throttle. The low and mid range was too lean.
So we took off the intake silencer, took everything back to stock jetting.
No improvement. The symptoms were constant: would not run normally between
5200 and 5800. It would run fast, or it would run slow, but not at a usable
rpm.
So we decided to go bigger on the low end jets and and then see if it would
accept smaller top end jets. Bingo!
Stock jets are a 148 main, a 2.72 needle jet, an 8L2 jet needle in the
middle #2 clip position, and a 45 idle jet.
Now running a 145 main jet, a 2.70 idle jet, an 8G2 jet needle with the clip
in the bottom #3 position, and a 50 idle jet. Set the Ivoprop so that it
turns 5900 on climbout and it runs perfect, EGT stays about 1025, good
throttle response.
Finally.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is
amazing.
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| Subject: | Excellent Slingshot project for sale on Barnstormers |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
You know how they say timing is everything... If you go to Barnstormers, and search
for Slingshot, you'll find exactly what I was looking for a few month ago.
If I had the money and the space, I'd buy it and squirrel it away for the future,
but neither of those are true, so one of you needs to buy it to save me
from having to consider this :-)
Rusty
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in storage for a long time. Probably fifty or more. If anyone is interested,
free and u pay shipping. I can delineate what issues I have to a serious collector.
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| Subject: | Pilot Acces for sale |
| From: | "Russ Phillips" <rphillip1999(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello fellow pilots. I have some items for sale that I no longer can use. Years
ago I earned my pilots license and purchased a Kolb Mark III Kit. I spent
approx. a thousand hours building and got about 3/4 of the way done. At that
point I realized I didn't have the funds to complete it and sold it. I'm selling
my pilot accessories now. All are new or nearly new. They include Sigtronics
headphones, Sportys transceiver, Sportys intercom plus more. I also have
a few aircraft building tools (specialty iron, swagging tool, rib drilling guide,
etc.) For a list with specifics and prices email me at rphillip1999(at)yahoo.com
Safe flying to all.
Russ
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| Subject: | Re: second chantz chutes |
| From: | "Richard31" <richard.cp80(at)me.com> |
Hi All,
I am french trike ultralight pilot and i bought an old trike with a second chantz
parachute model 900 (i attach photo)
It seams to be in a good condition. I would like to expertize it but i have no
documentation about it.
I come to you because i see that your community use lot of 2nd chantz chute.
Does anybody have documentation about this chute ? i am searching info about the
rocket system, how does it work. How can i disassemble it. ?
I plan to open the canister to look inside if there is moisture (without removing
the chute in the first step). I would like to identify the rocket PN to see
if i can found something equivalent.
The rocket is in a metal tube. there is on one side a cap with 3 plastic screw
and silicone seal. on the other side there is a cap without silicone seal but
it seams to be fix with 3 or 4 rivet. threre is also an allen screw, don't know
what is used for.
Canister is also seal with silicone seal on the 2 side. One escape side there are
3 plastic screw, on the other side only a cap sealed.
Thanks a lot for all your info that you can provide to me, with my regards from
france !!
Richard
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| Subject: | Good flight Saturday |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Since things seem slow lately - Saturday one of the locals had a fly-in/cookout
at his strip and I took one of the young ladies from church on her first light
sport airplane flight. She is going into aerospace as a career, and is a CAP
Cadet-Captain, so I wanted her to get some stick time in the MKIII to and from
the fly-in, and also to get some exposure to the homebuilt scene, since up to
this point she had only been around Cessnas.
About half way back the light came on in her head and she was then able to keep
it smooth and stable the rest of the way home in spite of light thermals and
a quickening breeze across the East Tennessee mountains.
My wife snapped these pictures as we were leaving out.
Good times.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | Kolb Ultrstar Wing Condition |
| From: | "shaypete" <shaypete(at)gmail.com> |
I recently bought a Kolb Ultrastar. The Aircraft A&E only has 26 hours of total
flying time with no know accident history. However it has been stored in a basement
for 20+years.
As a result the aluminum in the wings has oxidized pretty well and the steel rivets
show a fair amount of corrosion. My plan is to recover the wings, but before
I did that I wanted to ask your opinions as to the viability and structural
integrity based on the included picture in the link below.
Additionally the aircraft came with a Kuyuna SN# 21673 2 stroke motor and any information/
service manuals would be greatly appreciated.
Below the link to the photos mentioned.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/MdWtRZLrgfcztcKH9
Thank you in advanced
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Peter
Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Ultrstar Wing Condition |
| From: | "ratcobob" <bob2(at)mtcnow.net> |
Here's the Cuyuna engine guy
http://zdenterprises.net/
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Ultrstar Wing Condition |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
Impossible question to answer just based on pictures. I would remove the aluminum
surface oxidation in several spots to determine the depth. I would suspect
that the aluminum is probably OK. You might also drill out a number of rivets
in random locations to see if the corrosion is through the rivet or just on
the surface of the head and how deep. I would probably consider drilling them
all out and replacing with stainless steel rivets. A lot of work but not a lot
of money.
Again, these are idle thoughts and not recommendations. Worth what you paid for
them.
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| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Ultrstar Wing Condition |
I have heard that aluminum oxidizes and the oxidation forms a protective
barrier that stops further oxidation? If this is so leave it alone. I was
surprised to see the rust on the rivets. I think mine are stainless steel.
Absolutely drill out a few rivets to see how bad they are. Wow that would
be a major job drilling out and replacing thousands of rivets. Then you
would have to disassemble the structure to get the remainder of the old
rivets out. I have remainder of a few rivets that didn't seat properly
still in my plane but you would have thousands of them.
Also that engine didn't have that great a reputation, can you still get
parts?
Good luck.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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> Impossible question to answer just based on pictures. I would remove the
> aluminum surface oxidation in several spots to determine the depth. I
> would suspect that the aluminum is probably OK. You might also drill out a
> number of rivets in random locations to see if the corrosion is through the
> rivet or just on the surface of the head and how deep. I would probably
> consider drilling them all out and replacing with stainless steel rivets.
> A lot of work but not a lot of money.
>
> Again, these are idle thoughts and not recommendations. Worth what you
> paid for them.
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| From: | james.vanlaak(at)gmail.com |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Ultrstar Wing Condition |
Different kinds of aluminum have different corrosion properties. Pure
aluminum forms an oxide layer that protects that below it. This is called
alclad aluminum. I do not believe the aluminum tubing in Kolbs is alclad.
On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 11:21 AM Rick Neilsen wrote:
> I have heard that aluminum oxidizes and the oxidation forms a protective
> barrier that stops further oxidation? If this is so leave it alone. I was
> surprised to see the rust on the rivets. I think mine are stainless steel.
> Absolutely drill out a few rivets to see how bad they are. Wow that would
> be a major job drilling out and replacing thousands of rivets. Then you
> would have to disassemble the structure to get the remainder of the old
> rivets out. I have remainder of a few rivets that didn't seat properly
> still in my plane but you would have thousands of them.
>
> Also that engine didn't have that great a reputation, can you still get
> parts?
>
> Good luck.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
>
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 10:43 AM Rex Rodebush wrote:
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>> Impossible question to answer just based on pictures. I would remove the
>> aluminum surface oxidation in several spots to determine the depth. I
>> would suspect that the aluminum is probably OK. You might also drill out a
>> number of rivets in random locations to see if the corrosion is through the
>> rivet or just on the surface of the head and how deep. I would probably
>> consider drilling them all out and replacing with stainless steel rivets.
>> A lot of work but not a lot of money.
>>
>> Again, these are idle thoughts and not recommendations. Worth what you
>> paid for them.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Ultrstar Wing Condition |
| From: | "shaypete" <shaypete(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you top all that have responded. I drilled out a rivet as some of you had
suggested and would appreciate your opinions . I added a picture of the rivet
on the link posted in my initial thread.
Below a link to the Rivet picture
https://photos.app.goo.gl/N4vr3GxbQyiQScYaA
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Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Ultrstar Wing Condition |
| From: | "Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com> |
Looks like good advise from all of the other replies. I too would be concerned
about using a Cuyuna engine. (Like.. do I make a cool go-cart out of it, or
use it as a boat anchor??). I'm not a Cuyuna fan, but you probably didn't notice.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Alodine. It is a non-electrically applied surface preparation, which treats the aluminum as if it has been anodized, only a thinner surface layer. And I believe your parts would need to be disassembled to do a proper job. One link adds some details. https://www.experimentalaircraft.info/articles/aluminum-corrosion-treatment.php Normally it is applied by dipping the parts, although I have done constant flow over some parts, and believe that was with success. I've used plastic gutters for straight tubing dip tanks.. and with a different job, used 4 PVC 4" drain tile tubes.. one for etch, one for Alodine, and two for water rinse. All in one frame holding them vertical, but each one removable. Worked great.
As others have mentioned.. your disassemble efforts could be significant, if you
go that route. I agree, but also agree in the removal of any rivet heads that
end up inside a structure. Complete disassembly does make that and Alodine
application easier.. its just twice as much work as building one initially.
I don't know a lot about the early Kolbs.. but I'd have to wonder why SS rivets
were not used initially.. unless someone was cutting corners.
Best Wishes, Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Ultrstar Wing Condition |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
Peter,
Sometimes guys would dip the steel rivet in heavy oil or paint to protect it from
corrosion before pulling. It looks like this was not the case with yours.
I would strongly consider drilling out the rivets and replacing with SS. As
one other person mentioned; drilling out steel rivets is much easier than drilling
out SS rivets and if you keep a sharp bit it should go fairly fast. Also,
unless your're built like Popeye invest in a pneumatic puller from Harbor Freight
before installing the SS rivets.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=489496#489496
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Ultrstar Wing Condition |
Rex et al, Really, REALLY Bad ideas being tossed about any containment by
the thought process. The rivets are steel, NOT stainless steel. They are
used because Homer was trying to make a legal ultralight. He had plenty of
strength in the thin wall aluminum tubing. He needed an attachment that was
just strong enough to pull the rivet to the recommended dimension and
strength without having it distort the aluminum structure. Stainless steel
rivets are not some sort of cure all. Even my Firestar, with its .028 wall
thickness tubing uses plain steel rivets for the same exact reason. Treat
the corrosion per your favorite product and application method then make
all attachments per the original builders manual. Barring that, replace
with what you found.
Rick Girard
On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 12:21 PM Rex Rodebush wrote:
>
> Peter,
>
> Sometimes guys would dip the steel rivet in heavy oil or paint to protect
> it from corrosion before pulling. It looks like this was not the case wi
th
> yours. I would strongly consider drilling out the rivets and replacing
> with SS. As one other person mentioned; drilling out steel rivets is muc
h
> easier than drilling out SS rivets and if you keep a sharp bit it should
go
> fairly fast. Also, unless your're built like Popeye invest in a pneumati
c
> puller from Harbor Freight before installing the SS rivets.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=489496#489496
>
>
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https://vimeo.com/339877641
password owyheeflyer
Flying times have been few and far between this year. In fact it got to be
so normal that having crappy weather was normal and, I missed what ever
windows of opportunity that might have been viable. It appears that things
are looking up a bit, so here you go.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Ultrstar Wing Condition |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
Rick,
I don't agree with your thinking at all. If steel rivets are badly corroded I
don't think they should be used. If you replace them with steel rivets they are
just going to corrode again. I don't see any problem with replacing them with
SS rivets. Just because steel was used initially is no reason not to improve
them if you can. I am not aware that the clamping force of steel rivets is
any weaker than SS rivets. If you have that data please let me know.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Ultrstar Wing Condition |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
I like alodine; it really is liquid magic for protecting aluminum. But
it really is a pain to use, since the aluminum must be squeaky clean
with absolutely no oils or foreign matter of any sort for the etch to
work, and then for the alodine to work. And its hazards shouldn't be
ignored.
https://www.chemical-supermarket.com/files/Henkel%20Alodine%20Conversion%20Coatings/1201%20Alodine,%20MSDS.pdf
You need a well ventilated area and good skin/eye protection, but what
isn't often mentioned is that exposure to sunlight quickly kills its
effectiveness.
If you do decide to use it, try to find the powder form (like instant
Tang; you mix it yourself) instead of the liquid. Much cheaper to ship,
and more importantly *much* cheaper to purchase, if you can find it in
small enough quantities. Most vendors want to sell you many pounds at a
time, when around a half pound of the powder would last through many
projects (if the mix is kept away from sunlight and in a light-proof
container when not in use).
If it were mine, I'd do what I did to the old Twinstar I basket case I
restored: Clean it up well with a good degreaser & scrubber (stainless
if you use a metal brush; Scotchbrite pads work fine too), then paint
with rattle-can self-etching primer. This:
https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/MSR7220
is easy to find and very effective, but there are lots of other products
that work just as well. If you ask, they may tell you the next on-sale
dates, so you can save a few bucks a can.
Charlie
On 6/4/2019 11:28 AM, Jerry-TS-MkII wrote:
>
> Looks like good advise from all of the other replies. I too would be concerned
about using a Cuyuna engine. (Like.. do I make a cool go-cart out of it, or
use it as a boat anchor??). I'm not a Cuyuna fan, but you probably didn't notice.
>
> I'm surprised no one has mentioned Alodine. It is a non-electrically applied surface preparation, which treats the aluminum as if it has been anodized, only a thinner surface layer. And I believe your parts would need to be disassembled to do a proper job. One link adds some details. https://www.experimentalaircraft.info/articles/aluminum-corrosion-treatment.php Normally it is applied by dipping the parts, although I have done constant flow over some parts, and believe that was with success. I've used plastic gutters for straight tubing dip tanks.. and with a different job, used 4 PVC 4" drain tile tubes.. one for etch, one for Alodine, and two for water rinse. All in one frame holding them vertical, but each one removable. Worked great.
>
> As others have mentioned.. your disassemble efforts could be significant, if
you go that route. I agree, but also agree in the removal of any rivet heads
that end up inside a structure. Complete disassembly does make that and Alodine
application easier.. its just twice as much work as building one initially.
>
> I don't know a lot about the early Kolbs.. but I'd have to wonder why SS rivets
were not used initially.. unless someone was cutting corners.
>
> Best Wishes, Jerry
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Ultrstar Wing Condition |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
On 6/4/2019 3:33 PM, Rex Rodebush wrote:
>
> Rick,
>
> I don't agree with your thinking at all. If steel rivets are badly corroded
I don't think they should be used. If you replace them with steel rivets they
are just going to corrode again. I don't see any problem with replacing them
with SS rivets. Just because steel was used initially is no reason not to improve
them if you can. I am not aware that the clamping force of steel rivets
is any weaker than SS rivets. If you have that data please let me know.
>
You might want to reconsider. There are dozens ( likely hundreds) of
different types of pulled rivets. Various alloys of steel, various
alloys of stainless, various alloys of aluminum, various materials and
alloys used for the mandrel, various *types* of pulled rivets in each
material type (some capture the mandrel, which plays a role in shear
strength, while some do not, for example), various head sizes, various
head shapes, then there are true structural pulled rivets ...
Those are just off the top of my head (pardon the pun). When you change
a structural fastener, you need to at least have confidence that the
replacement meets or exceeds the strength of the original, and doesn't
'violate' some other requirement that the a/c designer might not have
detailed for you. I think that if you do some research, you'll find that
many stainless pulled rivets are significantly weaker than the same
size/design in steel.
That plane was apparently stored in a really hostile environment. If the
replacement steel rivets were dipped in a bit of rust inhibiting primer
before being pulled, they'd likely outlast the rest of the plane if it's
kept in a sensible environment. The Twinstar I I restored is about 35
years old, and while there was some surface rust on the steel rivets,
they were in great shape, as was the aluminum, with only one exceptional
point on one wing. Likely had a mouse or rat's nest at that spot while
it was in storage.
I'm not recommending this to the OP; I can't see his project or choose
his risk tolerance. But if I had confidence that none of the rivets
looked any worse than the one pictured, I'd be tempted to clean it up,
paint with self-etch primer, and then spray everything down with a good
penetrating corrosion inhibitor. The certified world has some corrosion
inhibiting products that will seep into every crack, crevice, or opening
they touch. Not saying to use this one; just the 1st product name I
remembered. I think it was what we used on the old '46 Luscombe 8A that
taught me to fly.
http://www.corrosionx.com/corrosionx-aviation.html
Charlie
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https://vimeo.com/340501352
password owyheeflyer
I flew this yesterday and found that while I was so close to the ground, my
camera did not show the sky and I spent all the time trying to peer up at
the top of the screen. I tossed that one away, and made a new holder for my
camera so that I could get a bit more sky in the screen. I am happy with
this one.
Larry
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| From: | "wakataka" <wakataka(at)charter.net> |
Great video. I found myself leaning over in my chair on some of those turns!
I don't know if I'd trust my old Rotax 377 enough to follow that route or not.
My fun factor goes way down when I don't have a safe landing spot in gliding range.
At 60 mph, I'm guessing you may have had just enough inertia to pop up
out of the canyon and land on the rim if things got quiet all of a sudden.
How do you mount your camera to avoid vibration? Whenever I've mounted mine to
the airframe, the video comes out like looking through Jell-O.
Martin B.
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conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
Wow, great low level Larry. I just love it. Some might consider it dangerous
but what the heck. You gotta have some fun now and then at my age. It
=99s where good preflights and maintenance payoff. Thanks for the ride along
!
George H.
Original Firestar, Hirth 2702
Mesick, Michigan
gdhelton(at)gmail.com
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> On Jun 5, 2019, at 5:25 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote
:
>
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>
> I flew this yesterday and found that while I was so close to the ground, m
y camera did not show the sky and I spent all the time trying to peer up at t
he top of the screen. I tossed that one away, and made a new holder for my c
amera so that I could get a bit more sky in the screen. I am happy with this
one.
> Larry
>
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ers.
>
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Thanks!
On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 4:33 AM George Helton wrote:
> Wow, great low level Larry. I just love it. Some might consider it
> dangerous but what the heck. You gotta have some fun now and then at my
> age. It=99s where good preflights and maintenance payoff. Thanks fo
r the ride
> along!
> George H.
> Original Firestar, Hirth 2702
> Mesick, Michigan
> gdhelton(at)gmail.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 5, 2019, at 5:25 PM, Larry Cottrell
> wrote:
>
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> password owyheeflyer
>
> I flew this yesterday and found that while I was so close to the ground,
> my camera did not show the sky and I spent all the time trying to peer up
> at the top of the screen. I tossed that one away, and made a new holder f
or
> my camera so that I could get a bit more sky in the screen. I am happy wi
th
> this one.
> Larry
>
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
Martin,
I use a Virb elite ( out of production now.) with the cradle mount and I
use the pitot tube I think from Aircraft Spruce. It is just a flat piece of
alum bent to give the right angle to the camera. I added a bit of shock
rubber to keep it from flexing. Mounted on the nose cone is the only place
on my plane that will give me a reasonable vibration free spot to put it. I
personally prefer to get the full view in front of me, and if I want
selfies I use the wing secure point to give a different view.
Larry
On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 9:51 PM wakataka wrote:
>
> Great video. I found myself leaning over in my chair on some of those
> turns!
>
> I don't know if I'd trust my old Rotax 377 enough to follow that route or
> not. My fun factor goes way down when I don't have a safe landing spot in
> gliding range. At 60 mph, I'm guessing you may have had just enough
> inertia to pop up out of the canyon and land on the rim if things got quiet
> all of a sudden.
>
> How do you mount your camera to avoid vibration? Whenever I've mounted
> mine to the airframe, the video comes out like looking through Jell-O.
>
> Martin B.
>
> --------
> There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale
> returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
>
> Mark Twain
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks!
Larry
On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:10 AM K I wrote:
> Hi Larry,
>
> I=99m glad the weather improved and you=99re in the air again
. I really missed
> getting these videos. You do such a great job making & sharing them. Wel
l
> done! =F0=9F=91=8D
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kurt
>
> Mark III classic
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 5, 2019, at 15:31, Larry Cottrell wrote:
>
> https://vimeo.com/340501352
>
> password owyheeflyer
>
> I flew this yesterday and found that while I was so close to the ground,
> my camera did not show the sky and I spent all the time trying to peer up
> at the top of the screen. I tossed that one away, and made a new holder f
or
> my camera so that I could get a bit more sky in the screen. I am happy wi
th
> this one.
> Larry
>
> --
> *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of
> others.*
>
> *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
> address before sending.*
>
>
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others.*
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address before sending.*
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| From: | "Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com> |
Larry...
It's one thing to get the aviation fix from your great videos.. but I've also been
introduced to a musician which I didn't know before. I may have to pipe that
stuff into the work shop as inspiration!
Thank you for BOTH!!
Jerry
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
Try Govi, Johannes Lindstead, as well as Jessie Cook.
Thanks
Larry
On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 12:24 PM Jerry-TS-MkII <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Larry...
> It's one thing to get the aviation fix from your great videos.. but I've
> also been introduced to a musician which I didn't know before. I may have
> to pipe that stuff into the work shop as inspiration!
>
> Thank you for BOTH!!
> Jerry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=489532#489532
>
>
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| From: | Mike <armstromike(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Sport Pilot Tailwheel Instructors |
Hello all - I=99m getting back into aviation after ~ a five year brea
k and
have recently purchased a Kolb Mark III with a Rotax 912UL..
I live in Bend Oregon and am looking for some tailwheel instruction.
Training in my plane would be great however it only has brakes on the PIC
side.
I can travel if need be and my preference is to train in a small, light,
and similar airplane.
Any contact information or suggested sources would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Mike 541-480-7892
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| Subject: | FS1 Angle of incidence in straight & level flight |
| From: | "slingshot003" <i2bxtn(at)gmail.com> |
I want to install a fuel level sight tube on a FS1. Anyone know what the angle
of incidence for the wing in straight & level flight? The angle of the fuselage
would suffice as well. or even the engine line. My mechanical float sender
is no longer reliable & I don't want to pay the price of a new one. -Richard
Swiderski
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| From: | John Fitt <jpfitt(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FS1 Angle of incidence in straight & level flight |
When doing the weight and balance calculations the angle of the wing is specified.
I would expect this angle would be for a cruise attitude, and would be a good
reference.
My Firestar 2 plans show a 9 deg. angle using the bottom of the wing.
Just a guess.
John Fitt
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 10, 2019, at 3:49 PM, slingshot003 wrote:
>
>
> I want to install a fuel level sight tube on a FS1. Anyone know what the angle
of incidence for the wing in straight & level flight? The angle of the fuselage
would suffice as well. or even the engine line. My mechanical float sender
is no longer reliable & I don't want to pay the price of a new one. -Richard
Swiderski
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilot Tailwheel Instructors |
Hi Mike -
Check with Joe Sheldon at Cline Falls Airpark in Redmond. He's not an instr
uctor, but he does lots of work on ultralight-type and light sport aircraft
and probably knows who might be giving instruction in the Bend/Prineville/
Redmond area. His contact info is: joe(at)lsaaviationsrvc.com=C2- 541.892.76
37=C2- www.lsaaviationsrvc.com
If you can get someone to ferry your Kolb down to Cave Junction (Illinois V
alley Airport) one of the best instructors around is Wolf Emonds. He has a
full-time flight training school. What's even better - he has a lodge pract
ically next to the airport that he lets students stay in. Contact him @ cap
taindrakesfaa(at)gmail.com=C2-=C2- 541.415.0600=C2-=C2- captaindrakesf
aa.com=C2-=C2- If you decide to go this route, you might want to contac
t Dave Richards at Eagle's Nest Airport (OR65) in Eagle Creek, Oregon who d
oes a lot of ferrying of Light Sport aircraft and definitely knows how to f
ly taildraggers. He's usually eager to ferry.=C2- Reach him @ 503.407.853
1
If you want taildragger instruction in a Cub, contact Steve Huggins, who is
an instructor and who also lives @ Eagle's Nest. Reach him @ drhuggins1@ao
l.com or 503.939.3375.=C2- He might be willing to train you in your own K
olb.
And...if you're not averse to doing a little traveling, join us at Sandy Ri
ver Airport (O36) on Saturday, July 27 for our annual ultralight/light spor
t fly-in and barbeque. We usually have anywhere from 15-20 ultralight-type
LSAs fly in, and we have almost a dozen which hangar at our field. Bring th
e family!
Hope this is helpful -
Arty TrostSandy River AirportTalon Typhoon
"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
wrote:
Hello all - I=99m getting back into aviation after ~ a five year brea
k and have recently purchased a Kolb Mark III with a Rotax 912UL..
I live in Bend Oregon and am looking for some tailwheel instruction. Traini
ng in my plane would be great however it only has brakes on the PIC side.
I can travel if need be and my preference is to train in a small, light, an
d similar airplane.
Any contact information or suggested sources would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Mike 541-480-7892
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| Subject: | Rotax 503 Puller plate 876 080 or 876-081 |
| From: | "shaypete" <shaypete(at)gmail.com> |
I am looking to buy a used or borrow a Puller plate 876 080 or 876-081.
I would also need the Mag Puller 42 x1.5 #876 065.
I live in Raleigh NC
Thank you
Peter
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Peter
Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | Elevator and joystick throw |
| From: | "smgates" <smgates(at)tpg.com.au> |
Hi all,
I've just finished building my Firestar II tandem and in the process of test flying.
One thing that the person test-flying initially has noted is that the elevator
authority feels a little limited, and 'spongy' feel at either extreme.
Flying here in W Australia can be very turbulent and windy much of the time and
he feels an improvement in the elevator authority would be useful.
The joystick has a cable pivot point separation of 3" and the elevator control
horn a cable pivot separation of 4". So we are thinking of increasing the joystick
pivot separation to around 4" also. However, this would mean having to raise
the front of the seat about 1/2".
Has anyone found a similar problem and if so how did you address it?
Thanks
Steve
--------
Gator
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| From: | John Hauck <jhauck36(at)outlook.com> |
| Subject: | Elevator and joystick throw |
Gator/Kolbers:
I haven't heard of this problem before. Usually elevator function is right on
set up the way the plans and instructions indicate.
Elevator cables need to be tight. A tiny bit of slack in the elevator cables will
produce a lot of slop in fore and aft movement of the control stick.
Geometry should be right on unless someone has changed it from the stock set up.
Get someone to lock the elevator in place. Snug the elevator control cables until
there is no play, fore and aft, in the control stick.
You will be surprised how much this will improve elevator authority.
That's what I have discovered. That's what I did to correct the problem.
We recently made this correct to Larry Cottrell's FSII. I flew it loose, corrected,
and flew it tight. Flew like a new airplane after that.
John h
MKIII
Baldwinsville, NY
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Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 2:13 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Elevator and joystick throw
Hi all,
I've just finished building my Firestar II tandem and in the process of test flying.
One thing that the person test-flying initially has noted is that the elevator
authority feels a little limited, and 'spongy' feel at either extreme.
Flying here in W Australia can be very turbulent and windy much of the time and
he feels an improvement in the elevator authority would be useful.
The joystick has a cable pivot point separation of 3" and the elevator control
horn a cable pivot separation of 4". So we are thinking of increasing the joystick
pivot separation to around 4" also. However, this would mean having to raise
the front of the seat about 1/2".
Has anyone found a similar problem and if so how did you address it?
Thanks
Steve
--------
Gator
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator and joystick throw |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
I would also help to gap seal the elevator to the stabilizer.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator and joystick throw |
| From: | "racerjerry" <gnking2(at)verizon.net> |
I built a very early Firestar II. I was kinda' disappointed that control cables
NOW rubbed on the bottom of the fuselage tube at the forward end. In the Kolb
Newsletter of July 1, 1995, Kolb suggested the addition of a control cable
fairlead made from Lexan sheet to keep control cables from rubbing on the aluminum
tube.
I got fed up and added a second row of 4 control cable pulleys to one of the fuselage
cross tubes to raise the cables and to enable me to properly tension the
elevator cables without fear of sawing either aluminum or Lexan.
Dunno' if my mod was necessary or even advisable, but it worked for me. Things
may have changed since then.
Jerry King
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Jerry King
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| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Elevator and joystick throw |
>
> Before I started messing with cable locations I would put Vortex
> generators underneath the horizontal stabilizer in front of the hinge area
> and see if that increase your Authority I did that to my Mark 3 and it made
> a significant difference.
The v gs that I bought were stolspeed from John Gilpin in Australia. Try
https://stolspeed.com/installing-vortex-generators
Boyd Young
Mkiii Utah
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| From: | "Steve Gates" <smgates(at)tpg.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Elevator and joystick throwElevator and joystick throw |
Hi all,
Some useful and interesting suggestions - I'll take them on board.
Many thanks
Steve
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| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 06/29/19 |
The joystick has a cable pivot point separation of 3" and the elevator
control
horn a cable pivot separation of 4". So we are thinking of increasing the
joystick
pivot separation to around 4"
Just had another thought.
If you give the eleveator more throw, it may work like a spoiler, stall,
and make for even less authority than you have now.
Make sure the elevator horn is attached solid with no flex or movement.
The plans should have listed the maximum movement up and down of the
trailing edge of the elevator.
Boyd Young
Mkiii
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator and joystick throw |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
I did the same as Boyd (v.g.'s on my elevator) and also had much better control
when landing. Seemed much more stable and responsive.
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| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Elevator and joystick throw |
>
> If you buy the stole Speed The Vortex generators read the instructions.
> Without looking I believe they go 4 inches in front of the elevator hinge
> on the bottom of the horizontal stabilizer, and I believe you use the 30 mm
> spacing.
Boyd Young
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator and joystick throw |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
And most importantly, don't get caught=2E
;-)
=81=A3Sent from BlueMail
=8B
On Jul 1, 2019, 1:55 PM, at 1:55 PM, B Young wrote:
>>
>> If you buy the stole Speed The Vortex generators r
ead the
>instructions=2E
>> Without looking I believe they go 4 inches in
front of the elevator
>hinge
>> on the bottom of the horizontal stabilizer,
and I believe you use the
>30 mm
>> spacing=2E
>
>
>Boyd Young
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| Subject: | Wanted to buy - Open or enclosed trailer for Kolb FSII |
| From: | "shaypete" <shaypete(at)gmail.com> |
Anyone have an open or enclosed trailer for a Kolb FSII that they would like to
sell.
Peter
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Peter
Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | Kolb Ultrastar center and balance |
| From: | "Viktors.Zarskis" <me.victorio(at)gmail.com> |
Hello!
I am close to finish building my Kolb Ultrastar.
I wanted to check balance point of the plane but have doubts that I understand
the manual correctly.
In the manual it is written:
The "Ultrastar" should balance [with the pilot in the seat] at the 25% to 30% chord
position. This translates to the balance point being located in the range
from 16" to 19" from the leading edge of the wing. The centerline of the 1" square
tube that the wings attach to is 18" from the leading edge. To check the
balance hang the Ultrastar from a point within this 3" range, and with the pilot
sitting in the seat the plane should balance. The fuselage tube will be at
10 to 12 degree angle [tail lower than front] when the airplane is considered
balanced.
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