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July 16, 2019 - February 07, 2020
In a other books about planes it is said that plane should balance in its flight
position. So I would expect to see the Ultrastar fuselage tube to be horizontal
when I hang it by the centerline of the 1" square tube.
Please comment if there is no mistake in the manual.
Did I understood the manual correctly and when the plane that is hanged will be
in the position like in the picture below:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/rJ4Evyaz5GMyrBma9
Or should it be like that:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/tS7Ca1pU9DQ482Dt8
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| From: | <worrybear(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Ultrastar center and balance |
When I built my Ultrastar I followed the directions in the manual. I had to
add about 12 lbs to the front to get the tube to its 10 degree angle. As I
flew the plane I removed 5 lbs, than the rest of the 12 lbs. It flew great
both ways. Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: Viktors.Zarskis
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 3:02 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Ultrastar center and balance
Hello!
I am close to finish building my Kolb Ultrastar.
I wanted to check balance point of the plane but have doubts that I
understand the manual correctly.
In the manual it is written:
The "Ultrastar" should balance [with the pilot in the seat] at the 25% to
30% chord position. This translates to the balance point being located in
the range from 16" to 19" from the leading edge of the wing. The centerline
of the 1" square tube that the wings attach to is 18" from the leading edge.
To check the balance hang the Ultrastar from a point within this 3" range,
and with the pilot sitting in the seat the plane should balance. The
fuselage tube will be at 10 to 12 degree angle [tail lower than front] when
the airplane is considered balanced.
In a other books about planes it is said that plane should balance in its
flight position. So I would expect to see the Ultrastar fuselage tube to be
horizontal when I hang it by the centerline of the 1" square tube.
Please comment if there is no mistake in the manual.
Did I understood the manual correctly and when the plane that is hanged will
be in the position like in the picture below:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/rJ4Evyaz5GMyrBma9
Or should it be like that:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/tS7Ca1pU9DQ482Dt8
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490336#490336
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Ultrastar center and balance |
| From: | "Viktors.Zarskis" <me.victorio(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you for fast reply!
I was worried that if i need to get the tail leveled in balance i had to add about
25 lbs in front..
At 10deg. angle it balances almost without ballast
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490352#490352
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
https://vimeo.com/349243399 password owyheeflyer
If you remember Mike Armstrong asked for some help getting started in his
Kolb Mark III. He lives in Oregon and I offered to help him since I have
the perfect place to do that very thing, and being bored I welcomed the
distraction, plus that is what people do especially Kolb people. It was a
pleasure to be able to help him out.
Larry
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others.*
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| From: | artdog1512 <nazz57(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 07/20/19 |
boy Larry ... that State airport looks like a "happening spot".. with all
that traffic i'm amazed you were able to get a landing slot. ..............
............. Tim
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From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: video
https://vimeo.com/349243399 =C2- password=C2- =C2- owyheeflyer
If you remember Mike Armstrong asked for some help getting started in his
Kolb Mark III. He lives in Oregon and I offered to help him since I have
the perfect place to do that very thing, and being bored I welcomed the
distraction, plus that is what people do especially Kolb people. It was a
pleasure to be able to help him out.
Larry
--
*The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of
others.*
*If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
address before sending.*
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| From: | artdog1512 <nazz57(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 07/20/19 |
boy Larry ... that State airport looks like a "happening spot".. with all
that traffic i'm amazed you were able to get a landing slot. ..............
............. Tim
b-list(at)matronics.com> wrote:
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From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: video
https://vimeo.com/349243399 =C2- password=C2- =C2- owyheeflyer
If you remember Mike Armstrong asked for some help getting started in his
Kolb Mark III. He lives in Oregon and I offered to help him since I have
the perfect place to do that very thing, and being bored I welcomed the
distraction, plus that is what people do especially Kolb people. It was a
pleasure to be able to help him out.
Larry
--
*The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of
others.*
*If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
address before sending.*
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
https://vimeo.com/349345840 password owyheeflyer
Mike is getting more comfortable in his plane, so we expanded our flight
range a bit. We flew for 2 hours 22 minutes and we both - my HKS running at
full cruise, Mikes 80 hp rotax loafing along, burned 3.2 gph.
Larry
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
Enjoyed both of your videos, Larry. It pretty out there this year. Nicely pr
oduced as usual.
George Helton
Firestar, Hirth 2702
Mesick, Michigan
gdhelton(at)gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 21, 2019, at 9:08 PM, Larry Cottrell wrot
e:
>
> https://vimeo.com/349345840 password owyheeflyer
>
> Mike is getting more comfortable in his plane, so we expanded our flight r
ange a bit. We flew for 2 hours 22 minutes and we both - my HKS running at f
ull cruise, Mikes 80 hp rotax loafing along, burned 3.2 gph.
>
> Larry
> --
> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of oth
ers.
>
> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email addre
ss before sending.
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you George, and Ki. I was beginning to think that I was the only one
on the list that was conscious and awake. :-) You guys need to do some
flying!
Larry
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 8:55 AM George Helton wrote:
> Enjoyed both of your videos, Larry. It pretty out there this year. Nicely
> produced as usual.
> George Helton
> Firestar, Hirth 2702
> Mesick, Michigan
> gdhelton(at)gmail.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 21, 2019, at 9:08 PM, Larry Cottrell
> wrote:
>
> https://vimeo.com/349345840 password owyheeflyer
>
> Mike is getting more comfortable in his plane, so we expanded our flight
> range a bit. We flew for 2 hours 22 minutes and we both - my HKS running at
> full cruise, Mikes 80 hp rotax loafing along, burned 3.2 gph.
>
> Larry
> --
> *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of
> others.*
>
> *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
> address before sending.*
>
>
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
It=99s been kind of a rough season for flying up here in Michigan. Rai
n, winds and nasty weather in general. I=99ve gotten in maybe 7 hrs. s
o far. Mostly long cross countries.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 22, 2019, at 12:12 PM, Larry Cottrell wro
te:
>
> Thank you George, and Ki. I was beginning to think that I was the only one
on the list that was conscious and awake. :-) You guys need to do some flyi
ng!
> Larry
>
>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 8:55 AM George Helton wrote:
>> Enjoyed both of your videos, Larry. It pretty out there this year. Nicely
produced as usual.
>> George Helton
>> Firestar, Hirth 2702
>> Mesick, Michigan
>> gdhelton(at)gmail.com
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 21, 2019, at 9:08 PM, Larry Cottrell wr
ote:
>>>
>>> https://vimeo.com/349345840 password owyheeflyer
>>>
>>> Mike is getting more comfortable in his plane, so we expanded our flight
range a bit. We flew for 2 hours 22 minutes and we both - my HKS running at
full cruise, Mikes 80 hp rotax loafing along, burned 3.2 gph.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>> --
>>> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of o
thers.
>>>
>>> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email add
ress before sending.
>
>
> --
> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of oth
ers.
>
> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email addre
ss before sending.
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
Its been much the same here, this is the most that I have flown this year.
Sigh! Hang in there, gotta get better.
Larry
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 6:00 PM George Helton wrote:
> It=99s been kind of a rough season for flying up here in Michigan.
Rain,
> winds and nasty weather in general. I=99ve gotten in maybe 7 hrs. s
o far.
> Mostly long cross countries.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 22, 2019, at 12:12 PM, Larry Cottrell
> wrote:
>
> Thank you George, and Ki. I was beginning to think that I was the only on
e
> on the list that was conscious and awake. :-) You guys need to do some
> flying!
> Larry
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 8:55 AM George Helton wrote:
>
>> Enjoyed both of your videos, Larry. It pretty out there this year. Nicel
y
>> produced as usual.
>> George Helton
>> Firestar, Hirth 2702
>> Mesick, Michigan
>> gdhelton(at)gmail.com
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 21, 2019, at 9:08 PM, Larry Cottrell
>> wrote:
>>
>> https://vimeo.com/349345840 password owyheeflyer
>>
>> Mike is getting more comfortable in his plane, so we expanded our flight
>> range a bit. We flew for 2 hours 22 minutes and we both - my HKS running
at
>> full cruise, Mikes 80 hp rotax loafing along, burned 3.2 gph.
>>
>> Larry
>> --
>> *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of
>> others.*
>>
>> *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
>> address before sending.*
>>
>>
>
> --
> *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of
> others.*
>
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> address before sending.*
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
Hello John! It sounds like you=99ve already passed me.
I=99m in Mesick which is probably only 40 miles east of Ludington. 50 o
r so miles from Manistee. Do you need Rick Nielsen=99s phone number?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 22, 2019, at 8:36 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> My 80 horse 912 burned 4 gph at 5,000 rpm and 80 to 85 mph depending on ho
w it was loaded. Ran on 87 octane car gas. Plugs changed every 200 hours.
My 100 horse 912 burned 5 gph at 5,000 rpm and 80 to 85 mph depending on ho
w it was loaded. Require at least 91 octane fuel. Plugs changed every 100 h
ours.
>
> Hard to beat the 80 horse 912. I feel it is the best all around engine fo
r a MKIII. Yes, the 100 horse was an ass kicker and a bit more fun to horse
around with. Also had that extra bit of power to get the job done when rea
lly heavy and at higher altitudes.
>
> I=99m about 5,200 miles into the Great Loop now. Weathered in at St
Joseph, MI. Tried to find Rick Nielsen=99s phone number, but still d
igging. He has a lake house around here somewhere. Another 1,200 or so mil
es back to Demopolis, AL, where I started cruise 15 April 2019. 60 miles of
open water to cross to Chicago, then back into the river system and home. H
ope you all will not get to riled about me adding this little note to my Kol
b List contribution.
>
> John H
> mkIII
> St Joe, MI
>
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 8:04 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: new video
>
> Its been much the same here, this is the most that I have flown this year.
Sigh! Hang in there, gotta get better.
> Larry
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 6:00 PM George Helton wrote:
> It=99s been kind of a rough season for flying up here in Michigan. R
ain, winds and nasty weather in general. I=99ve gotten in maybe 7 hrs.
so far. Mostly long cross countries.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 22, 2019, at 12:12 PM, Larry Cottrell wro
te:
>
> Thank you George, and Ki. I was beginning to think that I was the only one
on the list that was conscious and awake. :-) You guys need to do some flyi
ng!
> Larry
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 8:55 AM George Helton wrote:
> Enjoyed both of your videos, Larry. It pretty out there this year. Nicely p
roduced as usual.
> George Helton
> Firestar, Hirth 2702
> Mesick, Michigan
> gdhelton(at)gmail.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 21, 2019, at 9:08 PM, Larry Cottrell wrot
e:
>
> https://vimeo.com/349345840 password owyheeflyer
>
> Mike is getting more comfortable in his plane, so we expanded our flight r
ange a bit. We flew for 2 hours 22 minutes and we both - my HKS running at f
ull cruise, Mikes 80 hp rotax loafing along, burned 3.2 gph.
>
> Larry
> --
> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of oth
ers.
>
> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email addre
ss before sending.
>
>
> --
> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of oth
ers.
>
> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email addre
ss before sending.
>
>
> --
> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of oth
ers.
>
> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email addre
ss before sending.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
Rick=99s cellphone is 1 (941) 586-8268
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 22, 2019, at 8:36 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> My 80 horse 912 burned 4 gph at 5,000 rpm and 80 to 85 mph depending on ho
w it was loaded. Ran on 87 octane car gas. Plugs changed every 200 hours.
My 100 horse 912 burned 5 gph at 5,000 rpm and 80 to 85 mph depending on ho
w it was loaded. Require at least 91 octane fuel. Plugs changed every 100 h
ours.
>
> Hard to beat the 80 horse 912. I feel it is the best all around engine fo
r a MKIII. Yes, the 100 horse was an ass kicker and a bit more fun to horse
around with. Also had that extra bit of power to get the job done when rea
lly heavy and at higher altitudes.
>
> I=99m about 5,200 miles into the Great Loop now. Weathered in at St
Joseph, MI. Tried to find Rick Nielsen=99s phone number, but still d
igging. He has a lake house around here somewhere. Another 1,200 or so mil
es back to Demopolis, AL, where I started cruise 15 April 2019. 60 miles of
open water to cross to Chicago, then back into the river system and home. H
ope you all will not get to riled about me adding this little note to my Kol
b List contribution.
>
> John H
> mkIII
> St Joe, MI
>
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 8:04 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: new video
>
> Its been much the same here, this is the most that I have flown this year.
Sigh! Hang in there, gotta get better.
> Larry
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 6:00 PM George Helton wrote:
> It=99s been kind of a rough season for flying up here in Michigan. R
ain, winds and nasty weather in general. I=99ve gotten in maybe 7 hrs.
so far. Mostly long cross countries.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 22, 2019, at 12:12 PM, Larry Cottrell wro
te:
>
> Thank you George, and Ki. I was beginning to think that I was the only one
on the list that was conscious and awake. :-) You guys need to do some flyi
ng!
> Larry
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 8:55 AM George Helton wrote:
> Enjoyed both of your videos, Larry. It pretty out there this year. Nicely p
roduced as usual.
> George Helton
> Firestar, Hirth 2702
> Mesick, Michigan
> gdhelton(at)gmail.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 21, 2019, at 9:08 PM, Larry Cottrell wrot
e:
>
> https://vimeo.com/349345840 password owyheeflyer
>
> Mike is getting more comfortable in his plane, so we expanded our flight r
ange a bit. We flew for 2 hours 22 minutes and we both - my HKS running at f
ull cruise, Mikes 80 hp rotax loafing along, burned 3.2 gph.
>
> Larry
> --
> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of oth
ers.
>
> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email addre
ss before sending.
>
>
> --
> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of oth
ers.
>
> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email addre
ss before sending.
>
>
> --
> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of oth
ers.
>
> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email addre
ss before sending.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hauck <jhauck36(at)outlook.com> |
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
Darn it! I would have been glad to pick you up. You could have hung out up h
ere in the land of misfit toys. Yes , the Great Lakes can be very unpredicta
ble. Just like flying, always error on the safe side. Did you get ahold of R
ick?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 22, 2019, at 8:36 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> My 80 horse 912 burned 4 gph at 5,000 rpm and 80 to 85 mph depending on ho
w it was loaded. Ran on 87 octane car gas. Plugs changed every 200 hours.
My 100 horse 912 burned 5 gph at 5,000 rpm and 80 to 85 mph depending on ho
w it was loaded. Require at least 91 octane fuel. Plugs changed every 100 h
ours.
>
> Hard to beat the 80 horse 912. I feel it is the best all around engine fo
r a MKIII. Yes, the 100 horse was an ass kicker and a bit more fun to horse
around with. Also had that extra bit of power to get the job done when rea
lly heavy and at higher altitudes.
>
> I=99m about 5,200 miles into the Great Loop now. Weathered in at St
Joseph, MI. Tried to find Rick Nielsen=99s phone number, but still d
igging. He has a lake house around here somewhere. Another 1,200 or so mil
es back to Demopolis, AL, where I started cruise 15 April 2019. 60 miles of
open water to cross to Chicago, then back into the river system and home. H
ope you all will not get to riled about me adding this little note to my Kol
b List contribution.
>
> John H
> mkIII
> St Joe, MI
>
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 8:04 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: new video
>
> Its been much the same here, this is the most that I have flown this year.
Sigh! Hang in there, gotta get better.
> Larry
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 6:00 PM George Helton wrote:
> It=99s been kind of a rough season for flying up here in Michigan. R
ain, winds and nasty weather in general. I=99ve gotten in maybe 7 hrs.
so far. Mostly long cross countries.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 22, 2019, at 12:12 PM, Larry Cottrell wro
te:
>
> Thank you George, and Ki. I was beginning to think that I was the only one
on the list that was conscious and awake. :-) You guys need to do some flyi
ng!
> Larry
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 8:55 AM George Helton wrote:
> Enjoyed both of your videos, Larry. It pretty out there this year. Nicely p
roduced as usual.
> George Helton
> Firestar, Hirth 2702
> Mesick, Michigan
> gdhelton(at)gmail.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 21, 2019, at 9:08 PM, Larry Cottrell wrot
e:
>
> https://vimeo.com/349345840 password owyheeflyer
>
> Mike is getting more comfortable in his plane, so we expanded our flight r
ange a bit. We flew for 2 hours 22 minutes and we both - my HKS running at f
ull cruise, Mikes 80 hp rotax loafing along, burned 3.2 gph.
>
> Larry
> --
> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of oth
ers.
>
> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email addre
ss before sending.
>
>
> --
> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of oth
ers.
>
> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email addre
ss before sending.
>
>
> --
> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of oth
ers.
>
> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email addre
ss before sending.
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| Subject: | Re: Bing 54 jets - cleaning? |
| From: | "peridans" <sesuya(at)daymail.life> |
I accidentally dropped a piece of McDonald's Big Mac on the seat, after which a
stain remained (I can't remove it with ordinary wet wipes). What products can
remove this greasy stain or only dry cleaning will help? Please, advise the best
car carpet cleaner (https://cleanhomeguide.com/best-car-carpet-cleaners/)
that can remove any stains on the carpet in the car and the seat. Are there any?
Or the only way out is to go to dry cleaning? I just would not like to spend
so much money on a few stains.
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| Subject: | Re: wing center gap seal |
| From: | "Charlieoneseven" <Hynesc(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi all,
I have one of the first Firestars and that gap doesnt prevent me from flying without
it. In fact since it is not part of the wing or fuselage I would not want
to depart into my prop. Dont ask me how I know that. I have wondered how others
deal with it.
--------
Firestar 1 1987
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490556#490556
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| Subject: | Re: Fat Ultralight |
| From: | "Charlieoneseven" <Hynesc(at)yahoo.com> |
Good to know, I have been considering both options with my early FS from 1987.
Not sure of the date first flown the date is on the drawing shipping tube. I am
over weight enough to exclude most trailer friendly UL.
I looked at the firefly with the 250 limit, leaving me with one gallon.
Out of curiosity I weighed my plane and got 307#
with a 447.
Easier to fly a two seat plane solo all day.
I took LSA training and fuel load with a male instructor was always an issue, not
with female instructors.
--------
Firestar 1 1987
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490557#490557
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| Subject: | Kolb air airworthiness directive |
| From: | "Charlieoneseven" <Hynesc(at)yahoo.com> |
I noticed a link on the Kolb home page today leading to this.
https://kolbaircraft.com/FirestarAD.htm
Has anyone installed this?
My plane has a metal bracket welded to the frame and bolt in the general area this
new part completely covers it.
--------
Firestar 1 1987
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490558#490558
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb air airworthiness directive |
| From: | "Charlieoneseven" <Hynesc(at)yahoo.com> |
My brace.
--------
Firestar 1 1987
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| From: | Boudro Construction Verns Welding <verdixbo(at)sisqtel.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 07/27/19 |
Thought it was kinda smokey.
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Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 11:37:28 PM
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1. 02:51 PM - Re: wing center gap seal (Charlieoneseven)
2. 03:11 PM - Re: Fat Ultralight (Charlieoneseven)
3. 06:21 PM - Kolb air airworthiness directive (Charlieoneseven)
4. 09:23 PM - Re: Kolb air airworthiness directive (Charlieoneseven)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: wing center gap seal
From: "Charlieoneseven" <Hynesc(at)yahoo.com>
Hi all,
I have one of the first Firestars and that gap doesnt prevent me from flying without
it. In fact since it is not part of the wing or fuselage I would not want
to depart into my prop. Dont ask me how I know that. I have wondered how others
deal with it.
--------
Firestar 1 1987
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490556#490556
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fat Ultralight
From: "Charlieoneseven" <Hynesc(at)yahoo.com>
Good to know, I have been considering both options with my early FS from 1987.
Not sure of the date first flown the date is on the drawing shipping tube. I am
over weight enough to exclude most trailer friendly UL.
I looked at the firefly with the 250 limit, leaving me with one gallon.
Out of curiosity I weighed my plane and got 307#
with a 447.
Easier to fly a two seat plane solo all day.
I took LSA training and fuel load with a male instructor was always an issue, not
with female instructors.
--------
Firestar 1 1987
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490557#490557
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb air airworthiness directive
From: "Charlieoneseven" <Hynesc(at)yahoo.com>
I noticed a link on the Kolb home page today leading to this.
https://kolbaircraft.com/FirestarAD.htm
Has anyone installed this?
My plane has a metal bracket welded to the frame and bolt in the general area this
new part completely covers it.
--------
Firestar 1 1987
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490558#490558
Attachments:
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________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb air airworthiness directive
From: "Charlieoneseven" <Hynesc(at)yahoo.com>
My brace.
--------
Firestar 1 1987
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| Subject: | Re: Fat Ultralight |
| From: | "3benny3" <the3benny3(at)gmail.com> |
Victorbravo has given a very good way of doing what would be the best way to go
about getting what you want, or make it look like an ultralight ( 1 seat) and
fly it that way.
--------
912ul King Kolbra ;fun plane
O300 Cessna 172B ;travel plane
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| Subject: | Re: Life Insurance |
| From: | "ALonDer" <lolianaron11113(at)yahoo.com> |
At your age, I don't think it's a good idea to take life insurance. You won't get
that much out of it. And depending on if you work or not, this could be a big
hit on the family's budget. My dad is a veteran too and he struggles o paying
the house insurance, although he got a good deal on the progressive insurance
(https://homeownersinsurancecover.net/progressive-review/ (https://homeownersinsurancecover.net/progressive-review/)).
Think twice before doing such a step,
although you do it for the family, it might turn out to a load for them [Exclamation]
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| Subject: | Re: Life Insurance |
| From: | "racerjerry" <gnking2(at)verizon.net> |
OLD SAYING:
NEVER BE WORTH MORE DEAD THAN ALIVE
--------
Jerry King
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| From: | Mark Shimei <mark.shimei(at)gmail.com> |
I don't think there's a company out there that will pay any amount if you
are killed in an experimental airplane accident. Every life insurance
policy I have tried to get in the last 30 years always has some sort of
exemption. There may be one out there, but I'm sure the premiums are pretty
high.
Mark....Ultrastar,500+ hours and counting with the original UL2
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Life insurance |
Not exactly what you're talking about, but you can get an AD&D policy that
covers flying, to supplement a regular life policy.
Try here:
https://www.eaa.org/eaa/pilots/eaa-insurance-solutions/eaa-personal-insurance-plan
No idea what it costs; I'm old enough that I don't carry life insurance any
more, other than the minimal stuff offered by my employer's retirement plan.
Charlie
On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 7:16 AM Mark Shimei wrote:
> I don't think there's a company out there that will pay any amount if you
> are killed in an experimental airplane accident. Every life insurance
> policy I have tried to get in the last 30 years always has some sort of
> exemption. There may be one out there, but I'm sure the premiums are pretty
> high.
>
> Mark....Ultrastar,500+ hours and counting with the original UL2
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb air airworthiness directive |
| From: | "wakataka" <wakataka(at)charter.net> |
I just received the parts and am in the process of installing them. The parts do
the same job as that welded brace on your plane, so you should be good, assuming
that both bellcranks have a similar brace as in the photo. Your brace is
at least as strong as the the ones provided in the kit from Kolb.
My plane has no braces attached to the end of the bellcrank pivot bolts. I can
see how the bolt or the weld could be weakened over time due to the repeated bending
loads from the bellcrank.
The kit from Kolb includes two braces and the pop rivets needed to attach them
to the root tube. The rivet holes are not drilled in the braces. One of the braces
needed to be modified with a rotary file in order to fit on my 1985 Firestar.
On my airframe, there's a little piece of tubing that secures the fuel tank
welded about 3/4" away from the aileron bell crank. The new bracket needs to
be filed down by at least 1/4" in order to clear the fuel tank brace tube. I
think I can make the Kolb bracket work. If not, I guess I'll weld on a bracket
like yours.
I applaud Kolb for taking the initiative to identify and engineer a fix for this
problem.
--------
There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of
conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
Mark Twain
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| From: | John Hauck <jhauck36(at)outlook.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb air airworthiness directive |
I was concerned when I got my FS kit, late 1985 or early 86, to discover the butt
welded pivot bolt on the aileron bell crank with no bracing. I designed a
strap brace to stabilize that pivot bolt. Looked a lot like what Kolb came up
with at a later date. Never had a problem with it.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of wakataka
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 7:24 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb air airworthiness directive
I just received the parts and am in the process of installing them. The parts do
the same job as that welded brace on your plane, so you should be good, assuming
that both bellcranks have a similar brace as in the photo. Your brace is
at least as strong as the the ones provided in the kit from Kolb.
My plane has no braces attached to the end of the bellcrank pivot bolts. I can
see how the bolt or the weld could be weakened over time due to the repeated bending
loads from the bellcrank.
The kit from Kolb includes two braces and the pop rivets needed to attach them
to the root tube. The rivet holes are not drilled in the braces. One of the braces
needed to be modified with a rotary file in order to fit on my 1985 Firestar.
On my airframe, there's a little piece of tubing that secures the fuel tank
welded about 3/4" away from the aileron bell crank. The new bracket needs to
be filed down by at least 1/4" in order to clear the fuel tank brace tube. I
think I can make the Kolb bracket work. If not, I guess I'll weld on a bracket
like yours.
I applaud Kolb for taking the initiative to identify and engineer a fix for this
problem.
--------
There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of
conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
Mark Twain
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb air airworthiness directive |
I did this modification about four years ago on my original Firestar. The on
ly thing you might have change is the castle nuts. I had to go to half castl
es because the welded studs( bolts ) were just a bit short. This is a must d
o mod. for anyone who hasn=99t done it yet.
Are you back home, John?
George H.
Firestar 1986, Hirth 2702
14GDH
Mesick, Michigan
gdhelton(at)gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 13, 2019, at 8:21 AM, John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> I was concerned when I got my FS kit, late 1985 or early 86, to discover t
he butt welded pivot bolt on the aileron bell crank with no bracing. I desi
gned a strap brace to stabilize that pivot bolt. Looked a lot like what Kol
b came up with at a later date. Never had a problem with it.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of wakataka
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 7:24 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb air airworthiness directive
>
>
> I just received the parts and am in the process of installing them. The pa
rts do the same job as that welded brace on your plane, so you should be goo
d, assuming that both bellcranks have a similar brace as in the photo. Your b
race is at least as strong as the the ones provided in the kit from Kolb.
>
> My plane has no braces attached to the end of the bellcrank pivot bolts. I
can see how the bolt or the weld could be weakened over time due to the rep
eated bending loads from the bellcrank.
>
> The kit from Kolb includes two braces and the pop rivets needed to attach t
hem to the root tube. The rivet holes are not drilled in the braces. One of t
he braces needed to be modified with a rotary file in order to fit on my 198
5 Firestar. On my airframe, there's a little piece of tubing that secures th
e fuel tank welded about 3/4" away from the aileron bell crank. The new brac
ket needs to be filed down by at least 1/4" in order to clear the fuel tank b
race tube. I think I can make the Kolb bracket work. If not, I guess I'll we
ld on a bracket like yours.
>
> I applaud Kolb for taking the initiative to identify and engineer a fix fo
r this problem.
>
> --------
> There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale retu
rns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
>
> Mark Twain
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490817#490817
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| From: | John Hauck <jhauck36(at)outlook.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb air airworthiness directive |
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
I want to remind every one of our annual Rock House Fly-in again, Sept 7th
till we drop. all on this list are welcome regardless of what you fly. 42
40.419 N-- 117 51.198 W
Larry
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| From: | John Hauck <jhauck36(at)outlook.com> |
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
eagerly waiting for one and all.
Larry
On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 7:49 PM John Hauck wrote:
> How about a 2012 RAM SLT Crew Cab Long Bed 4WD with 5th wheel and RZR?
>
>
> I can almost get it to fly, but not quite.
>
>
> I'll be there Lord willing and the creek don't rise.
>
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> *From:* owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Larry Cottrell
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 13, 2019 8:40 PM
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Fly-in
>
>
> I want to remind every one of our annual Rock House Fly-in again, Sept 7th
> till we drop. all on this list are welcome regardless of what you fly. 42
> 40.419 N-- 117 51.198 W
>
>
> Larry
>
>
> --
>
> *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of
> others.*
>
>
> *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
> address before sending.*
>
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| Subject: | 912 mount angle thickness? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
Does anyone know the thickness of the aluminum angle used for 912 mount adapters?
I need to order some angle to make my mounts. I'm guessing 3/8" thick maybe?
Thanks,
Rusty
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| From: | Mike <armstromike(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 08/15/19 |
Hello Rusty -
I have a Kolb Mark III Twinstar Classic with a Rotax 912.
The aluminum angle is 1"x3" and is 1/4 thick.
There is also a sheetmetal plate underneath the engine that mounts all the
way across to each aluminum angle via the motor mount bolts.
The sheetmetal is 1/16" thick.
I hope this helps!
Mike
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> Subject: Kolb-List: 912 mount angle thickness?
> From: "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> Does anyone know the thickness of the aluminum angle used for 912 mount
> adapters?
> I need to order some angle to make my mounts. I'm guessing 3/8" thick
> maybe?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Rusty
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490894#490894
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 08/15/19 |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
armstromike(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Hello Rusty -I have a Kolb Mark III Twinstar Classic with a Rotax 912.
> The aluminum angle is 1"x3" and is 1/4 thick.
> There is also a sheetmetal plate underneath the engine that mounts all the way
across to each aluminum angle via the motor mount bolts.
> The sheetmetal is 1/16" thick.
>
>
> I hope this helps!
> Mike
>
>
Perfect Mike. Thanks,
Rusty
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
My first attempt was not sent to the list- too big. So I will send the
pictures in three files. They have been reduced in size quite a bit, so I
think it was volume rather than size. I have been wrong before however.
After checking the weather and winds, I decided to go fishing on the Owyhee
River. The spot that I like is about an hour away by Firestar 2. I really
haven't been flying all that much this year and my conscious was bothering
me. Every thing started out quite nicely and I had a bit of a tail wind at
5K. As I approached the half way point the winds kicked up and I was all
over the sky I persisted for a few miles and it got even rougher. Things
tend to get worse here as the hours near the midday point, so I gave up and
turned back for home. As I reversed my course I dropped some in altitude as
the winds at 6 k were supposed to be 12 to 19 MPH. I noticed several
bunches of feral Horses below. I did not have a real camera so I did what I
could with the low resolution screen shots from my Garmin Virb. I am used
to seeing some fairly "flashy" feral Horses in some of these herds, but
today there was about 6 white ones. They as near as I can tell are not
albino, but are white with "creamy" tails and manes.
I will fish another day however, when it is not so drafty. Some of the
shots are just scenery, the last four have horses in them if you can find
them.
Larry
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| From: | Russ Kinne <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 08/15/19 |
Mike - this came to me - RUSS, not RUSTY. Dont think he got it!
Russ
> On Aug 16, 2019, at 10:54 AM, Mike wrote:
>
> Hello Rusty -
> I have a Kolb Mark III Twinstar Classic with a Rotax 912.
> The aluminum angle is 1"x3" and is 1/4 thick.
> There is also a sheetmetal plate underneath the engine that mounts all
the way across to each aluminum angle via the motor mount bolts.
> The sheetmetal is 1/16" thick.
>
> I hope this helps!
> Mike
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 11:40 PM Kolb-List Digest Server
> wrote:
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> Subject: Kolb-List: 912 mount angle thickness?
> From: "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com <mailto:13brv3(at)gmail.com>>
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> Does anyone know the thickness of the aluminum angle used for 912
mount adapters?
> I need to order some angle to make my mounts. I'm guessing 3/8" thick
maybe?
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> Thanks,
> Rusty
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| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
Greetings,
Is everyone paying $500 for the official Rotax radiator, or are there other popular
options? There are a number of Ebay radiators in the $210 range that mention
the 912, and they appear to be the right size, but none of them list the
inlet and outlet diameter. One seller did state that his was 25mm inlet, and
30mm outlet, but I believe they should both be 25mm/1".
Aluminum radiators aren't exactly rocket science, and I'm tempted to give one of
those a try, but it's frustrating that I haven't been able to get inlet and
outlet sizes for any of the others that are listed. I get the impression there
are only about 2-3 different radiators for all the dozens of listings, and maybe
only a couple sellers, each with a few different aliases.
Thanks,
Rusty
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| Subject: | Re: 912 radiator? |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
On 8/20/2019 11:40 AM, 13brv3 wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> Is everyone paying $500 for the official Rotax radiator, or are there other popular
options? There are a number of Ebay radiators in the $210 range that mention
the 912, and they appear to be the right size, but none of them list the
inlet and outlet diameter. One seller did state that his was 25mm inlet, and
30mm outlet, but I believe they should both be 25mm/1".
>
> Aluminum radiators aren't exactly rocket science, and I'm tempted to give one
of those a try, but it's frustrating that I haven't been able to get inlet and
outlet sizes for any of the others that are listed. I get the impression there
are only about 2-3 different radiators for all the dozens of listings, and
maybe only a couple sellers, each with a few different aliases.
>
> Thanks,
> Rusty
Why not just find an ebay special motorcycle rad for a 100+hp bike? Or
check a cycle salvage yard, if there's one near you. Drag certainly
isn't as big an issue as it was with the -3, so if you 'go big' (and
thin) & feed it with a sheet metal wedge diffuser, you pretty much know
it'll work. You can get silicone size adapters from/to almost any common
diameter now, so fitting size shouldn't be too much of an issue. If you
want to go with an auto rad, IIRC, a stock Honda Civic rad is about an
inch thick (might be a bit thicker) & has ~1" fittings.
Charlie
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| From: | Rudolph Riley <rriley351(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 912 radiator? |
I have some 582 radiators and engine and prop I nop longer have a use for
Chuck Riley 559-493-0338
RCR Light Aircraft former Titan dealer
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:04 AM Charlie England
wrote:
>
> On 8/20/2019 11:40 AM, 13brv3 wrote:
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Is everyone paying $500 for the official Rotax radiator, or are there
> other popular options? There are a number of Ebay radiators in the $210
> range that mention the 912, and they appear to be the right size, but none
> of them list the inlet and outlet diameter. One seller did state that his
> was 25mm inlet, and 30mm outlet, but I believe they should both be 25mm/1".
> >
> > Aluminum radiators aren't exactly rocket science, and I'm tempted to
> give one of those a try, but it's frustrating that I haven't been able to
> get inlet and outlet sizes for any of the others that are listed. I get
> the impression there are only about 2-3 different radiators for all the
> dozens of listings, and maybe only a couple sellers, each with a few
> different aliases.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rusty
> Why not just find an ebay special motorcycle rad for a 100+hp bike? Or
> check a cycle salvage yard, if there's one near you. Drag certainly
> isn't as big an issue as it was with the -3, so if you 'go big' (and
> thin) & feed it with a sheet metal wedge diffuser, you pretty much know
> it'll work. You can get silicone size adapters from/to almost any common
> diameter now, so fitting size shouldn't be too much of an issue. If you
> want to go with an auto rad, IIRC, a stock Honda Civic rad is about an
> inch thick (might be a bit thicker) & has ~1" fittings.
>
> Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: 912 radiator? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
ceengland7(at)gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> If you
> want to go with an auto rad, IIRC, a stock Honda Civic rad is about an
> inch thick (might be a bit thicker) & has ~1" fittings.
>
> Charlie
>
Hi Charlie,
The Civic is about double the size of the stock 912 rad, and just a little thicker.
Seems like the two normal outlet sizes are 28mm and 32mm. They sure are
cheap :-) There are probably other common small car and motorcycle rads that
would work as well, but I'd spend an eternity trying to sort through them.
If anyone knows of another auto rad that is close to the right size, and with
1" outlets, that will make the search easier.
I'm pretty sure I can make one of the Ebay 912 rads work, but it would sure be
nice if I could get the sellers to answer a question. I'll mount the engine later
this week with any luck, then start getting serious about a radiator when
I see my mounting options.
Thanks,
Rusty
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| From: | Linda Jones <ajones(at)dfn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 912 radiator? |
Discontinue
> On Aug 20, 2019, at 1:21 PM, Rudolph Riley wrote:
>
> I have some 582 radiators and engine and prop I nop longer have a use for
> Chuck Riley 559-493-0338
> RCR Light Aircraft former Titan dealer
>
>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:04 AM Charlie England w
rote:
>>
>> On 8/20/2019 11:40 AM, 13brv3 wrote:
>> >
>> > Greetings,
>> >
>> > Is everyone paying $500 for the official Rotax radiator, or are there o
ther popular options? There are a number of Ebay radiators in the $210 rang
e that mention the 912, and they appear to be the right size, but none of th
em list the inlet and outlet diameter. One seller did state that his was 25
mm inlet, and 30mm outlet, but I believe they should both be 25mm/1".
>> >
>> > Aluminum radiators aren't exactly rocket science, and I'm tempted to gi
ve one of those a try, but it's frustrating that I haven't been able to get i
nlet and outlet sizes for any of the others that are listed. I get the impr
ession there are only about 2-3 different radiators for all the dozens of li
stings, and maybe only a couple sellers, each with a few different aliases.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Rusty
>> Why not just find an ebay special motorcycle rad for a 100+hp bike? Or
>> check a cycle salvage yard, if there's one near you. Drag certainly
>> isn't as big an issue as it was with the -3, so if you 'go big' (and
>> thin) & feed it with a sheet metal wedge diffuser, you pretty much know
>> it'll work. You can get silicone size adapters from/to almost any common
>> diameter now, so fitting size shouldn't be too much of an issue. If you
>> want to go with an auto rad, IIRC, a stock Honda Civic rad is about an
>> inch thick (might be a bit thicker) & has ~1" fittings.
>>
>> Charlie
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> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:04 AM Charlie England
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>>
>> On 8/20/2019 11:40 AM, 13brv3 wrote:
>> >
>> > Greetings,
>> >
>> > Is everyone paying $500 for the official Rotax radiator, or are there
>> other popular options? There are a number of Ebay radiators in the $210
>> range that mention the 912, and they appear to be the right size, but no
ne
>> of them list the inlet and outlet diameter. One seller did state that h
is
>> was 25mm inlet, and 30mm outlet, but I believe they should both be 25mm/
1".
>> >
>> > Aluminum radiators aren't exactly rocket science, and I'm tempted to
>> give one of those a try, but it's frustrating that I haven't been able t
o
>> get inlet and outlet sizes for any of the others that are listed. I get
>> the impression there are only about 2-3 different radiators for all the
>> dozens of listings, and maybe only a couple sellers, each with a few
>> different aliases.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Rusty
>> Why not just find an ebay special motorcycle rad for a 100+hp bike? Or
>> check a cycle salvage yard, if there's one near you. Drag certainly
>> isn't as big an issue as it was with the -3, so if you 'go big' (and
>> thin) & feed it with a sheet metal wedge diffuser, you pretty much know
>> it'll work. You can get silicone size adapters from/to almost any common
>> diameter now, so fitting size shouldn't be too much of an issue. If you
>> want to go with an auto rad, IIRC, a stock Honda Civic rad is about an
>> inch thick (might be a bit thicker) & has ~1" fittings.
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| Subject: | Re: 912 radiator? |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
And Bob's yur uncle.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorcycle-Parts-Replacement-Engine-Cooling-Radiator-For-Honda-CBR600RR-2003-06/173297685160?fits=Make%3AHonda&epid=4007796152&hash=item285958d2a8:g:BNoAAOSwIVxdR-pB
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorcycle-Aluminium-Replacement-Engine-Cooling-Radiator-for-Honda-VTR250-97-07/183743581775?hash=item2ac7f88e4f:g:2AIAAOSw-QBcLHCI
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorcycle-Parts-Engine-Cooling-Radiator-for-Honda-CBR600RR-07-15-CBR600RA-09-15/173760040889?fits=Make%3AHonda&epid=24028443614&hash=item2874e7cfb9:g:IuUAAOSwy5xdQWM8
https://www.ebay.com/itm/For-Honda-CB1000-94-95-Motorcycle-Parts-Aluminum-Cooler-Engine-Cooling-Radiator/183653486876?epid=19028435603&hash=item2ac299d11c:g:hKoAAOSwXWZdSUaX
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Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| From: | Denny Baber <baberdk(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 912 radiator? |
30 mm means it's made in Austria and imported. That is 1 1/8 in American. A
standard 1" heater hose will be snug.
Respectfully,
Dennis Baber
Cape Coral, Fl
baberdk(at)gmail.com
305-814-7218
Stay Curious
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| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 912 radiator? |
30 mm means it's made in Austria and imported. That is 1 1/8 in American. A
standard 1" heater hose will be snug
Closer to
1 3/16
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912 radiator? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks, I looked at some bike radiators last night, and had never seen curved radiators
before. In the mean time, I've all but confirmed that this radiator
is very similar to the $500 Rotax unit, with 25mm inlet and outlet, so I think
I'll give it a try.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Aircraft-Drone-Rotax-912-914-Viking-Suzuki-Aeromomentum-ALUMINUM-RADIATOR/273379324254?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Thanks. I think I'm all set.
Rusty
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| From: | John Hauck <jhauck36(at)outlook.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 912 radiator? |
Are you running a 912UL or 9112ULS?
80 hp 912 requires very little cooling. I used to bypass my engine oil cooler
completely in the winter in Alabama, summer in Northern Canada and Alaska.
912ULS was just the opposite. Took a lot of cooling to keep it happy.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 9:51 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 912 radiator?
Thanks, I looked at some bike radiators last night, and had never seen curved radiators
before. In the mean time, I've all but confirmed that this radiator
is very similar to the $500 Rotax unit, with 25mm inlet and outlet, so I think
I'll give it a try.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Aircraft-Drone-Rotax-912-914-Viking-Suzuki-Aeromomentum-ALUMINUM-RADIATOR/273379324254?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Thanks. I think I'm all set.
Rusty
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| Subject: | Re: 912 radiator? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
Interesting about the difference. Mine is an 80hp UL. I'm starting with the small
oil cooler, and was trying to stick with pretty much the standard radiator
size. I'm just a bit north of you in TN.
Rusty
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| From: | John Hauck <jhauck36(at)outlook.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 912 radiator? |
Higher compression ratio.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of 13brv3
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 4:48 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 912 radiator?
Interesting about the difference. Mine is an 80hp UL. I'm starting with the small
oil cooler, and was trying to stick with pretty much the standard radiator
size. I'm just a bit north of you in TN.
Rusty
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 912 radiator? |
Check out the radiator from the Honda 1100 Magna. I used it with my 582 and
put it on another. Both worked perfectly. If you're putting the 912 on a
Mk 3 or a Kolbra it's one to look at.
Rick.
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 1:04 PM Charlie England
wrote:
>
> On 8/20/2019 11:40 AM, 13brv3 wrote:
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Is everyone paying $500 for the official Rotax radiator, or are there
> other popular options? There are a number of Ebay radiators in the $210
> range that mention the 912, and they appear to be the right size, but non
e
> of them list the inlet and outlet diameter. One seller did state that hi
s
> was 25mm inlet, and 30mm outlet, but I believe they should both be 25mm/1
".
> >
> > Aluminum radiators aren't exactly rocket science, and I'm tempted to
> give one of those a try, but it's frustrating that I haven't been able to
> get inlet and outlet sizes for any of the others that are listed. I get
> the impression there are only about 2-3 different radiators for all the
> dozens of listings, and maybe only a couple sellers, each with a few
> different aliases.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rusty
> Why not just find an ebay special motorcycle rad for a 100+hp bike? Or
> check a cycle salvage yard, if there's one near you. Drag certainly
> isn't as big an issue as it was with the -3, so if you 'go big' (and
> thin) & feed it with a sheet metal wedge diffuser, you pretty much know
> it'll work. You can get silicone size adapters from/to almost any common
> diameter now, so fitting size shouldn't be too much of an issue. If you
> want to go with an auto rad, IIRC, a stock Honda Civic rad is about an
> inch thick (might be a bit thicker) & has ~1" fittings.
>
> Charlie
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| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
Greetings,
Does anyone happen to have a new or lightly used set of Lord mounts they don't
need? I've got a set on order with Kolb, but they don't have them in stock, and
I haven't got an ETA. Hopefully those will come in soon, and it will be a
non-issue, but if someone has a set, I might be interested in buying them.
Thanks,
Rusty
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| From: | Pfatchantz <Pfatchantz(at)protonmail.ch> |
| Subject: | Re: Lord Mounts? |
must be slow at Kolb?? Same mounts for the Hirth engines?
My thought is that rubber degrades over time and I would be careful not knowing
the age of the used ones....
By the way..how many folks look at their 503 or 447 fan belts on a regular basis...easy
to overlook....I pulled the one from the Firestar II that I bought
and the belt looked to be original....more like a round rather than a v belt..Herb
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On Friday, August 23, 2019 8:40 AM, 13brv3 <13brv3(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> Does anyone happen to have a new or lightly used set of Lord mounts they don't
need? I've got a set on order with Kolb, but they don't have them in stock,
and I haven't got an ETA. Hopefully those will come in soon, and it will be a
non-issue, but if someone has a set, I might be interested in buying them.
>
> Thanks,
> Rusty
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=491005#491005
>
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lord Mounts? |
Yes, I have a set. Let me look around. Call me. Theyre in great shape. Low hours.
I just keep them around for spares. 951-965-4269
George
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> On Aug 23, 2019, at 9:40 AM, 13brv3 <13brv3(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> Does anyone happen to have a new or lightly used set of Lord mounts they don't
need? I've got a set on order with Kolb, but they don't have them in stock,
and I haven't got an ETA. Hopefully those will come in soon, and it will be
a non-issue, but if someone has a set, I might be interested in buying them.
>
> Thanks,
> Rusty
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=491005#491005
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lord Mounts? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
I would assume they're the same mount used for the Hirth, since the weight and
power are essentially the same. Of course I have no way to know that for sure.
I should have ordered them months ago, rather than waiting until the last minute,
so some of this is on me for sure :-)
George, I'll try sending an email, since phones are pretty unreliable where I live.
Rusty
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| Subject: | Re: Lord Mounts? |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
I have a 912ULS and my mounts are about 9 years old with about 100 hours of run
time. They seem fine with no observable cracks or deterioration. Wondering
if anyone has any information on when to change them?
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lord Mounts? |
I bought new ones when I mounted my new Hirth 2702 a couple of years ago.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 23, 2019, at 11:17 AM, 13brv3 <13brv3(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I would assume they're the same mount used for the Hirth, since the weight and
power are essentially the same. Of course I have no way to know that for sure.
I should have ordered them months ago, rather than waiting until the last
minute, so some of this is on me for sure :-)
>
> George, I'll try sending an email, since phones are pretty unreliable where I
live.
>
> Rusty
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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>
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>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Lord Mounts? |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
The mounts are expected to be in on Monday according to Kolb, so I'm all set.
Thanks, Rusty
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| Subject: | Re: Lord Mounts? |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
FWIW, when we rebuilt the wrecked Original Firestar of 1985 vintage into a Firefly,
the Rotax 277 seemed to vibrate a bit much, so we replaced the Lord mounts
with new ones, even though the originals (33 years old at the time?) seemed
undamaged.
No difference.
So I have four 34 year old Lord mounts in a box, no reasonable offer refused.
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Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | FireFly Weight and Balance |
| From: | "sidsx" <sidsx66(at)gmail.com> |
Can anyone tell me if the CG limits for the FireFly are different from the FireStar
(12.8 to 22.4} I have a copy of the W&B for the FireStar not for the FireFly.
Thanks,
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| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FireFly Weight and Balance |
>
>
> Can anyone tell me if the CG limits for the FireFly are different from the
> FireStar
>
I think the Firefly and firestar have different size air frames and
possibly airfoils . so to run the calculations for CG for and aft in
inches, comparing one to the other, I think would not be wise.. I think
if you calculated the inches to percent of wing cord on the firestar,
then using the same percent of wing cord on the Firefly
. Calculate back to get the inches... I think you would be more accurate.
And on the other hand someone may have the plans and numbers of the Firefly
and make it easy!
Boyd Young
Mkiii Utah
>
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Weight and Balance |
| From: | "sidsx" <sidsx66(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you for the reply. I'll do what you suggest if no one with a FireFly post
the exact numbers. It would be much easier with them.
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Weight and Balance |
| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi I recommend u call KOLB Im sure they know the answer. Chris
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> On Aug 24, 2019, at 2:03 PM, sidsx wrote:
>
>
> Can anyone tell me if the CG limits for the FireFly are different from the FireStar
> (12.8 to 22.4} I have a copy of the W&B for the FireStar not for the FireFly.
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Weight and Balance |
| From: | "sidsx" <sidsx66(at)gmail.com> |
I tried that. Never received a reply from them.
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| From: | John Hauck <jhauck36(at)outlook.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FireFly Weight and Balance |
Keep calling Kolb until someone answers the phone, usually Bryan Milburn.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of sidsx
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 2:07 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FireFly Weight and Balance
I tried that. Never received a reply from them.
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| From: | "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> |
| Subject: | FireFly Weight and Balance |
Here is a scan of the W&B instructions from my 2013 Firefly
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of sidsx
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 1:04 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: FireFly Weight and Balance
Can anyone tell me if the CG limits for the FireFly are different from the
FireStar
(12.8 to 22.4} I have a copy of the W&B for the FireStar not for the
FireFly.
Thanks,
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Weight and Balance |
| From: | "sidsx" <sidsx66(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you so much!!!
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Weight and Balance |
| From: | "Eugene Zimmerman" <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
Concern about CG limits on any Kolb aircraft is for all practical purposes unnecessary
unless there is a significant deviation from, or modification of, the
airframe from the original Kolb design plans.
The best way to optimize the CG on any Kolb airplane is to test fly the airplane
and trim the control surfaces to fly hands off straight and level. Modifying
a Kolb aircraft's CG is beneficial only for the purposes of minimizing significant
control surface deflection necessary for neutral-hands off straight and
level flight.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=491047#491047
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| From: | John Hauck <jhauck36(at)outlook.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FireFly Weight and Balance |
I agree with Gene Zimmerman. I've built 3 Kolbs, US, FS, and MKIII. Never did
a weight and balance on the US and FS. Test flew it, added a trim tab to aileron,
elevator, and rudder. Trimmed and test flew for best cruise flight.
My MKIII has aft CG on paper. Flies neutral with no pitch trim at glide, idle
rpm. Bring up the power and it takes a lot of nose up pitch trim to fly neutral.
That doesn't sound like aft cg.
Pushers with high thrust line like the FS and MKIII have significant pitch change
from idle to cruise power or full power. Lots of Kolbers don't recognize this,
thinking something is wrong with their airplanes.
Build it according to plans and it will be within cg limits.
I have made significant modifications to all my Kolbs and never experienced a cg
problem, never had to add 40 lbs of lead to the nose cone, etc.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eugene Zimmerman
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 11:59 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FireFly Weight and Balance
Concern about CG limits on any Kolb aircraft is for all practical purposes unnecessary
unless there is a significant deviation from, or modification of, the
airframe from the original Kolb design plans.
The best way to optimize the CG on any Kolb airplane is to test fly the airplane
and trim the control surfaces to fly hands off straight and level. Modifying
a Kolb aircraft's CG is beneficial only for the purposes of minimizing significant
control surface deflection necessary for neutral-hands off straight and
level flight.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=491047#491047
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Weight and Balance |
| From: | "racerjerry" <gnking2(at)verizon.net> |
I cannot argue with John H's success in Kolb airplanes. I do argue that while
Homer's designs have proven themselves to be quite stable and forgiving, promoting
the idea that weight and balance calculations are not needed might be carried
over to other aircraft where the results could be deadly.
I make two sets of W&B calculations at worst conditions of both forward and aft
loading.
In Kolbs, it really helps to have someone else read the scales while pilot is seated
in the airplane :o)
I bought 4 (1 spare) new very flat bathroom scales for $10 each many moons ago
that worked perfectly for the job. You do need to take care not to side-load
the scales for accurate readings. Climbing into the pilot seat while aircraft
is on scales will spread the main wheels slightly and cause a scale side-loading
error. The cure for side loading is greased plates on top of one main wheel
scale. Un-greased plates on opposite side keeps things level. Cheap 12 x
12 floor tiles work fine for this purpose.
BTW, if you are flying a Cessna Cardinal (rearward wing) with constant speed prop;
two heavyweights in winter clothing up front with no other passengers or baggage,
you could get yourself in trouble. There is a reason why Cessna added
slots to the stabilator on early Cardinals and many pilots found out the hard
way during flare.
Jerry King
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Jerry King
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FireFly Weight and Balance |
Sid, Measure the chord of the FIrefly wing, include the aileron. Divide by
4. That's the quarter chord point measured from the leading edge. That is
roughly the ideal CG. Divide your original chord measurement by 10. Add and
subtract that number from the quarter chord point. That's your CG range
from 15% to 35% chord. If you find your CG is a little aft, BUT by no means
further than 40% chord, you're still OK, Kolbs tend to fly better with an
aft CG. However, if you can move something forward to get into the 15 to
35% range, do that.
Last, It is vitally important that you get the aircraft at the proper
attitude for measuring the arms. Roughly, it's horizontal stabilizer level.
Check with Kolb they may have an angle for the engine mount (about 3
degrees for the Mk III) or the underside of the wing (9 degrees on the Mk
III).
I know that the Kolb uses the the leading edge of the wing as the origin
for calculating the CG. Do yourself a favor and use the nose of the
aircraft instead. The reason is simple, no negative numbers in your
calculations. If you keep the origin forward all calculations are additions
(you could put the origin at the tail for that matter and all calculations
would still be consistent and that's what you're after). Nothing can screw
up a CG calculation faster than adding a moment arm when it should be
subtracted.
Hope this helps,
Rick
On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 1:06 PM sidsx wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me if the CG limits for the FireFly are different from th
e
> FireStar
> (12.8 to 22.4} I have a copy of the W&B for the FireStar not for the
> FireFly.
> Thanks,
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=491026#491026
>
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FireFly Weight and Balance |
Eugene, That's about the worst advice I've ever seen on this forum.
First, if the aircraft has any sort of experimental certificate, either
ELSA or EAB, a weight and balance measurement is REQUIRED by law. It's a
part of your aircraft's operating limitations.
Second, Aft CG has probably been the cause or contributed to far too many
stall spin accidents, or as the FAA calls it, Loss of Control.
Just because it's an ultralight doesn't give the aircraft a pass on the
physics of flight. Assuming an aircraft is in proper trim is like assuming
the pistol is unloaded.
There is one positive side to not doing a W & B, you'll probably qualify
for next year's Darwin Awards.
Rick
On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 12:01 PM Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
>
> Concern about CG limits on any Kolb aircraft is for all practical purpose
s
> unnecessary unless there is a significant deviation from, or modification
> of, the airframe from the original Kolb design plans.
>
> The best way to optimize the CG on any Kolb airplane is to test fly the
> airplane and trim the control surfaces to fly hands off straight and
> level. Modifying a Kolb aircraft's CG is beneficial only for the purpose
s
> of minimizing significant control surface deflection necessary for
> neutral-hands off straight and level flight.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=491047#491047
>
>
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| From: | Denny Baber <baberdk(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FireFly Weight and Balance |
I agree with your observations on weight and balance. If you can get the
center of gravity right below the center of lift you won't need any trim
tabs. I also like to calculate it with an empty tank of gas so if that ever
happens you can still fly it to the ground.
Respectfully,
Dennis Baber
Cape Coral, Fl
baberdk(at)gmail.com
Stay Curious
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| From: | John Hauck <jhauck36(at)outlook.com> |
| Subject: | FireFly Weight and Balance |
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Weight and Balance |
| From: | Terry <tkrolfe(at)toast.net> |
Rick,
Who died and made you God?! This is why some of us went to ultralights
so that we could get away from aviation Nazi's like you. You think you
know it all, but have no idea how much time Eugene has in the air
proving you wrong. I think he knows more about the physics of flight
then you will ever understand.
Maybe you could suggest you disagree without be an a-hole about it.
Talk about a an entry into the Darwin awards. Grow up!!
Terry
On 8/28/2019 10:46 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Eugene, That's about the worst advice I've ever seen on this forum.
> First, if the aircraft has any sort of experimental certificate,
> either ELSA or EAB, a weight and balance measurement is REQUIRED by
> law. It's a part of your aircraft's operating limitations.
> Second, Aft CG has probably been the cause or contributed to far too
> many stall spin accidents, or as the FAA calls it, Loss of Control.
> Just because it's an ultralight doesn't give the aircraft a pass on
> the physics of flight. Assuming an aircraft is in proper trim is like
> assuming the pistol is unloaded.
> There is one positive side to not doing a W & B, you'll probably
> qualify for next year's Darwin Awards.
>
> Rick
>
> On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 12:01 PM Eugene Zimmerman > wrote:
>
> >
>
> Concern about CG limits on any Kolb aircraft is for all practical
> purposes unnecessary unless there is a significant deviation from,
> or modification of, the airframe from the original Kolb design plans.
>
> The best way to optimize the CG on any Kolb airplane is to test
> fly the airplane and trim the control surfaces to fly hands off
> straight and level. Modifying a Kolb aircraft's CG is beneficial
> only for the purposes of minimizing significant control surface
> deflection necessary for neutral-hands off straight and level flight.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=491047#491047
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| From: | Russ Kinne <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FireFly Weight and Balance |
Terry: Grow Up!
> On Aug 28, 2019, at 6:15 PM, Terry wrote:
>
> Rick,
>
> Who died and made you God?! This is why some of us went to
ultralights so that we could get away from aviation Nazi's like
you. You think you know it all, but have no idea how much time Eugene
has in the air proving you wrong. I think he knows more about the
physics of flight then you will ever understand.
>
> Maybe you could suggest you disagree without be an a-hole about it.
Talk about a an entry into the Darwin awards. Grow up!!
>
> Terry
>
>
>
> On 8/28/2019 10:46 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
>> Eugene, That's about the worst advice I've ever seen on this forum.
>> First, if the aircraft has any sort of experimental certificate,
either ELSA or EAB, a weight and balance measurement is REQUIRED by law.
It's a part of your aircraft's operating limitations.
>> Second, Aft CG has probably been the cause or contributed to far too
many stall spin accidents, or as the FAA calls it, Loss of Control.
>> Just because it's an ultralight doesn't give the aircraft a pass on
the physics of flight. Assuming an aircraft is in proper trim is like
assuming the pistol is unloaded.
>> There is one positive side to not doing a W & B, you'll probably
qualify for next year's Darwin Awards.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 12:01 PM Eugene Zimmerman > wrote:
>
>>
>> Concern about CG limits on any Kolb aircraft is for all practical
purposes unnecessary unless there is a significant deviation from, or
modification of, the airframe from the original Kolb design plans.
>>
>> The best way to optimize the CG on any Kolb airplane is to test fly
the airplane and trim the control surfaces to fly hands off straight and
level. Modifying a Kolb aircraft's CG is beneficial only for the
purposes of minimizing significant control surface deflection necessary
for neutral-hands off straight and level flight.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=491047#491047
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Weight and Balance |
| From: | "sidsx" <sidsx66(at)gmail.com> |
I would like to thank everyone for their input, I find this forum to be very helpful.
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Weight and Balance |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
Since "tkrolfe(at)toast.net" is a guest I can not respond to him directly so I'll
do it this way. Rick's comments on weight and balance were completely correct.
This is required by the FAA. To suggest that you not bother to do one is
very foolish. Your were completely out of line. If you can not respond to comments
in a civil manor I suggest you be a guest on another forum.
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
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| From: | artdog1512 <nazz57(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello gang,=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2-i weigh 250 lbs, is my fat ass too heavy for the front of a Fi
reFly? of course i refer to CG. i'm concerned about "elevator authority". .
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| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
Beautiful video. I had heard about the accident. It's a risky business.
Rusty
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| From: | "Jack Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
The page has been down due to hosting problems. Finally got them resolved
and the page is back up.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | "Jack Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
The page has been down due to hosting problems. Finally got them resolved
and the page is back up.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | "Jack Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
The page has been down due to hosting problems. Finally got them resolved
and the page is back up.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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The page has been down due to hosting problems. Finally got them resolved
and the page is back up.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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The page has been down due to hosting problems. Finally got them resolved
and the page is back up.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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The page has been down due to hosting problems. Finally got them resolved
and the page is back up.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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The page has been down due to hosting problems. Finally got them resolved
and the page is back up.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Page |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Good deal; it is a great resource, would hate to lose it.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 08/15/19 |
how do i stop kolb forun to my e mail
On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 7:59 AM Mike wrote:
> Hello Rusty -
> I have a Kolb Mark III Twinstar Classic with a Rotax 912.
> The aluminum angle is 1"x3" and is 1/4 thick.
> There is also a sheetmetal plate underneath the engine that mounts all the
> way across to each aluminum angle via the motor mount bolts.
> The sheetmetal is 1/16" thick.
>
> I hope this helps!
> Mike
>
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>> Subject: Kolb-List: 912 mount angle thickness?
>> From: "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know the thickness of the aluminum angle used for 912 mount
>> adapters?
>> I need to order some angle to make my mounts. I'm guessing 3/8" thick
>> maybe?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Rusty
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 08/15/19 |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
The same way you got it started.
https://www.matronics.com/subscribe/
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.
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| From: | "Gary & Myrna" <siegfam(at)mediacombb.net> |
| Subject: | Kolb Mark III Classic For Sale |
1991 Kolb Mark III Classic. Rotax 582. 616 TT, 302 SMOH by Rotax Service
Center (LEAF). 3 blade Warp Drive prop. All new powdered coated panel and
gear, interior, seats, exterior glass, tires and gearbox. Interchangeable
full length and half length doors. Easily removed rear windows. Dual
control sticks and throttles. Grand Rapids EIS, Icom A-22 Comm with
external antenna, Sigtronics intercom, wingtip strobes. Match painted wheel
pants in box. Folding wings with factory ground handling dolly for tail.
$18,495. Also available for additional $3195: 2007 Hallmark enclosed
trailer custom built by factory for this aircraft, with finished interior,
interior lights, roof vents, custom aluminum wheels. Easily trailered and
assembled by one person with supplied equipment. Anchors solidly in
trailer. Flown regularly. Fly or trailer it home. A&P owned since 2006.
All excellent condition. Belvidere, IL 815-978-2762 or e-mail Gary at
siegfam(at)mediacombb.net . Photos in current ad on Barnstormers.com. Many
more photos available via e-mail.
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| Subject: | Re: am i too fat? |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Do a weight and balance where you add a few pounds to the extreme end of the tail
boom and see. With that much moment arm, it will only take a few pounds at
most.
Just be sure and placard it so that no one less than xxx number of pounds ever
tries to fly it. My buddy Ed had a Hummer that was balanced for him, and a prospective
buyer took it for a flight. Problem was that Ed weighed 250 and the buyer
weighed ~ 175 - it was a wonder he got it back on the ground safely.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.
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| Subject: | Kolb Ultrastar first flight and flight manual |
| From: | "Viktors.Zarskis" <me.victorio(at)gmail.com> |
Hello to all Kolb ultralight lovers!
First of all, I have finished building my own kolb ultrastar from scratch and made
a first flight.
Here is my video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onifVDlbdNY&t=341s
I want to get airworthiness and register my plane in Latvia to fly it legal.
To do that i need to write flight manual for the plane with its characteristics,
maintenance schedule and preflight / inflight checklist.
Could someone please help me with these documents? May be it could be something
similar from kolb firefly..
I bought drawings and building manual from new kolb company in 2015.
I have tried to email them about flight manual, but got no response.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=491250#491250
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| From: | whiskeyvictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Kolb Ultrastar first flight and flight manual |
Viktors Zarskis
You have done an outstanding job on building your Kolb UltraStar and produc
ing the video.=C2- Congratulations!=C2- In the USA we do not need a fli
ght manual for flying in the Ultralight class and I did not make one for my
FireStar because of that.=C2- You will probably receive some replies fro
m some of the other Kolb builders who did license their ultralights in the
Experimental class where a flight manual is required.=C2-
Bill VarnesKolb FireStarAudubon, NJ USA
In a message dated 9/9/2019 9:15:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, me.victorio@g
mail.com writes:
Hello to all Kolb ultralight lovers!First of all, I have finished building
my own kolb ultrastar from scratch and made a first flight.Here is my video
:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onifVDlbdNY&t=341s
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
https://vimeo.com/359600172 password - owyheeflyer
Larry
--
*The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of
others.*
*If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
address before sending.*
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| From: | George Alexander <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
Another great video by Larry Cottrell.=C2- Thanks Larry!
ll1020(at)gmail.com> wrote:
https://vimeo.com/359600172=C2- =C2- =C2-password=C2- =C2- - owy
heeflyer
Larry=C2-
--
The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of othe
rs.
If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email addres
s before sending.
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| From: | Terry <tkrolfe(at)toast.net> |
Wow! What a spectacular video of a part of our country I will probably
never get to see in person. Thank you for sharing your special part of
the world with the rest of us! Awesome video and dialog.
Terry - FireFly
On 9/13/2019 4:02 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> https://vimeo.com/359600172 password - owyheeflyer
>
> Larry
>
> --
> /The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant
> of others./
> /
> /
> /If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
> address before sending./
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| Subject: | MKIII for sale $3000 |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Just now saw this:
https://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/avo/d/kingston-kolb/6968683106.html
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.
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| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
Very cool video! It's definitely different from anywhere I've lived.
Rusty
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| From: | George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> |
Another great video, Larry! That is some nice looking flying country you
=99ve got out there. You=99re on my bucket list. Flying weather has no
t been great up here in Michigan this year. So I=99ve been spending ti
me working on a new Ultracruiser.
George Helton
Original Firestar, 2702 Hirth
14GDH
Mesick, Michigan
gdhelton(at)gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 13, 2019, at 6:12 PM, Terry wrote:
>
> Wow! What a spectacular video of a part of our country I will probably ne
ver get to see in person. Thank you for sharing your special part of the wo
rld with the rest of us! Awesome video and dialog.
>
>
> Terry - FireFly
>
>
>
>> On 9/13/2019 4:02 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
>> https://vimeo.com/359600172 password - owyheeflyer
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> --
>> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of ot
hers.
>>
>> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email addr
ess before sending.
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| From: | "3benny3" <the3benny3(at)gmail.com> |
We're in Oak Island on a little vacation and so of course had to check out the
local airport. Upon arrival I noticed these two very nice Kolbs just finishing
up for the day. Talked with them for a bit and hope to see them again/get a
ride over the Outer Banks later this week when we go back out (wife wants to go
sky diving). But I was curious as to how many Kolbs are in or around NC? There
are no other Kolbs at my home airport and really no one even around the area
that I know of and these guys aren't on any of the websites etc, but just thinking
it would be cool to know where more kolbers are and do some flying together.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Xs6gV2bd2fx97VTS7
https://photos.app.goo.gl/pFJ539oZq6Au6Zxc7
https://photos.app.goo.gl/jzinyuPzjq4qJVsu9
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912ul King Kolbra ;fun plane
O300 Cessna 172B ;travel plane
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
My memory is not what it used to be, but didn't this list at one time have a map
or something that pinned where all the listees are?
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.
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| From: | "3benny3" <the3benny3(at)gmail.com> |
Seems like I have seen something like that, I know I made a Google maps thing when
I was in the t-bird group that did that. Was neat, but of course only was
useful for a rather small percentage of the folks there and I'm sure only another
small percentage was on that one particular group. Guess that's just one
of the limits of online things where the small percentage of kolbers are even
on any site at all and those that are divided on many different sites (not many
that I know of for Kolbs). Is there an actual company forum and or link to this
site?
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912 King Kolbra
NC27
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
Anyone interested in an American Eaglet ? I have one ,was an Gas flight approved
Numbered no engine hanging from the roof in my barn ,no windshield
Asking $1400 OBO
Sent from my iPhone
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| From: | "Dennis Souder" <dennislees135(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Early 80's Kolb UltraStar aerobatics |
Kolb UltraStar owners,
Other's will probably enjoy seeing this too.
The link has video of early 80's UltraStar aerobatics.
Enjoy
Dennis Souder
http://www.windsockstorage.com/airplane-fun/
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| Subject: | Re: Early 80's Kolb UltraStar aerobatics |
| From: | "13brv3" <13brv3(at)gmail.com> |
Hey, if it isn't the wild man himself! Great to hear from you Dennis. Hope you've
been well. Did you pull that video out of the dusty archives?
Rusty
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=491435#491435
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| Subject: | Rear wing mount universal fitting play? Tail shake? |
| From: | "3benny3" <the3benny3(at)gmail.com> |
How much if any play (can pick up rear of wing by rear mount 1/4in) play is in
the castle nut the bolts universal to the fuselage frame and from universal to
wing. Another notch on the castle nut is too tight, while where it is, is to
lose I believe. Thinking about using very thin washers to get a "half notch" on
the nut. Anyone else have play here, if so how much?
On another note, seems like everyone's horizontal and vertical stab have some
flutter/vibration in them. How much do you have if any and how much is ok? Anything
you have done to help stabilize/stiffen this area?
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912 King Kolbra
NC27
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| Subject: | Re: Rear wing mount universal fitting play? Tail shake? |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
Not exactly sure of what your question is asking, but here are some things I have
learned:
You can scrounge/create a very thin washer to put under your rear universal joint
big castellated nut and get the play down to very minimal.
You can fit as many washers as you need around the fitting that comes out of the
wing root rib & joins said universal fitting to take up virtually all the slack.
Keep fooling around with it, while mine is not totally tight, play is probably
less than 1/16", and in flight, is unnoticeable.
If your tail cables are tight, flutter in the horizontal stab will be unnoticable.
All Kolb vertical stabs/rudders have slow pulse flutter in them, if you take
your feet off the rubber pedals the rudder will start to flap. So keep your
feet on the pedals!
Or put a counterweight on your rudder similar to what Kolb sells for the ailerons.
Like this:
http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/pg6.htm
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=491443#491443
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| From: | "Dennis Souder" <dennislees135(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Early 80's Kolb UltraStar aerobatics |
Rusty,
Yes - just digitized some dusty old tapes. I have some more that I'll get
posted before too long.
Brings back many good memories.
Dennis
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| From: | James Cote <flycolt45(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Early 80's Kolb UltraStar aerobatics |
Mesmerizing!!!Warm Memories!
Thanks Den!=C2- I was in PA last weekend and touched base with Bill Marti
n and Marcus, (Mike Hogga & I missed each other this time).Marcus and I wer
e reminiscing about those times. I vividly remember you test flying the Laz
er.=C2- You doing all kinds of maneuvers above the Kolb strip with your w
ife running back and forth to position herself for the best pictures. Your
"little" daughter was playing in the area while you were zooming by and abo
ve. Also remember a day when a gaggle of us were out for a breakfast fly an
d got caught in a pop-up rain storm which caused us to make a bee-line for
Mike Horvath's strip. Dick Kuntzleman and I had MKIIs (Dick still has his).
Mike had the UltraStar and was flying as slow as he wanted.=C2- We all g
ot landed safely as it began to downpour=C2- :=C2- )=C2- Best of time
s in a KOLB.Long before, I was on patrol (local police) and couldn't believ
e what I was seeing in the sky!=C2- "Cpt Zoom" (flying magazine) was up t
here with Dennis doing Dogfights and other maneuvers. Was how I got into Ko
lbs. And Homer, Clara and the family have a been in my heart since.JC
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Souder <dennislees135(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Mon, Sep 23, 2019 8:23 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Early 80's Kolb UltraStar aerobatics
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| Subject: | Re: Rear wing mount universal fitting play? Tail shake? |
| From: | "3benny3" <the3benny3(at)gmail.com> |
Yeah I think that mostly answers my questions. I don't really feel the play in
the air, but anything that moves will wear or wear faster so I'd prefer it be
right/tight. My wires are fairly tight and bolted as I never really fold it.
Universal play: https://photos.app.goo.gl/7jw5uTUmbRkyqAyR7
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912 King Kolbra
NC27
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| Subject: | Re: Rear wing mount universal fitting play? Tail shake? |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> |
After watching your video, I checked the MKIII and the Firefly, the MKIII fittings
move a little less than your video, one side of the Firefly just barely moves
and the other side does not move at all.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.
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| From: | "Dennis Souder" <dennislees135(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Early 80's Kolb UltraStar aerobaticsEarly 80's Kolb UltraStar |
aerobatics
Jim,
Good to hear from you. It's been a long time, thanks for sharing your
recollections. I do remember that day that the group was hit by a rain
storm. I don't know if it was zoom or someone else, but I took off in the
laser and someone else in a FS. It was very low ceiling. As soon as I was
airborne I knew I made a mistake. Couldn't see anything, so descended to
tree top level and at least could see the ground just in front of the
leading edge of the wing. I was scared to death because I knew there was
someone else flying around and I could not see foreword. Aerobatics did not
scare, but this did. Yvonne is still running around taking pictures. Iris
is almost 30 now - time passes so quickly .
Dennis
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| From: | whiskeyvictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rear wing mount universal fitting play? Tail shake? |
Benny,
If you never fold the wings, maybe you should just tighten up all the bolts
so that there is no play at all.=C2- On my FireStar I removed the big ca
stle nut & cotter, then installed a self locking (fiber/plastic) nut.=C2-
Checked it on pre-flight for a long time.=C2- It never loosened and I di
d fold the wings after every flight.
Bill VarnesKolb FireStarAudubon NJ
In a message dated 9/23/2019 10:07:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, the3benny3@
gmail.com writes:
Yeah I think that mostly answers my questions. I don't really feel the play
in the air, but anything that moves will wear or wear faster so I'd prefer
it be right/tight. My wires are fairly tight and bolted as I never really
fold it.
Universal play: https://photos.app.goo.gl/7jw5uTUmbRkyqAyR7
--------912 King Kolbra
NC27
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=491452#491452
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| From: | whiskeyvictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rear wing mount universal fitting play? Tail shake? |
Benny,
If you never fold the wings, maybe you should just tighten up all the bolts
so that there is no play at all.=C2- On my FireStar I removed the big ca
stle nut & cotter, then installed a self locking (fiber/plastic) nut.=C2-
Checked it on pre-flight for a long time.=C2- It never loosened and I di
d fold the wings after every flight.
Bill VarnesKolb FireStarAudubon NJ
In a message dated 9/23/2019 10:07:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, the3benny3@
gmail.com writes:
Yeah I think that mostly answers my questions. I don't really feel the play
in the air, but anything that moves will wear or wear faster so I'd prefer
it be right/tight. My wires are fairly tight and bolted as I never really
fold it.
Universal play: https://photos.app.goo.gl/7jw5uTUmbRkyqAyR7
--------912 King Kolbra
NC27
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=491452#491452
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| From: | Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | kolb 40 years old? |
when did the ultrastar come to oshkosh for the first time
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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| From: | "Dennis Souder" <dennislees135(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: kolb 40 years old? |
Malcolm,
Homer and I went to Oshkosh in 1979 and the twin-engine Kolb Flyer was
displayed that year on the ultralight flight-line. We formed Kolb Co that
fall, December 1979.
The UltraStar first was shown at SNF (& Oshkosh) 1982.
Dennis
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| From: | Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: kolb 40 years old? |
wow=C2-
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 9:22 AM, Dennis Souder
wrote: