Lancair-Archive.digest.vol-ac

November 05, 2002 - November 27, 2007



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      is in the 50,000,000 range for last year!!
      
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      reliable service over the last year, and this has certainly been a 
      refreshing change from previous providers!
      
      There were a couple of new features added at the tail-end of last year 
      including the new List Browse Feature ( http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse 
      ), and the List Photoshare which have been both very popular.  Many people 
      have written to say how much they enjoy the on-line browsing capability of 
      current week's messages.  The 184 new Photoshares ( 
      http://www.matronics.com/photoshare ) added over the last year attests to 
      its acceptance and appreciation in the community as well.
      
      I have upgraded both the email and web server OS systems recently to the 
      latest - well almost the latest - version of Redhat Linux and Kernel 
      2.4.19, both of which have been working very well and quite reliably.
      
      What does the future hold?  Well, something pretty exciting I'm 
      hoping...  I am currently evaluating a new, commercially available software 
      package that runs under Linux and provides a complete web-based Email List 
      service akin to what those other guys use.  The difference will be that 
      there won't be any annoying advertisements and popup ads on the Matronics 
      system!!  The system will continue to be dedicated to furthering Lists 
      activities and not trying to sell you something you don't want.  My hope is 
      to keep most if not all of the current functionality in place and add the 
      new software system over the top.  Some of the system will be replaced 
      (like majordomo), but the lists will work much like they do today - only 
      BETTER!  As I mentioned, I am currently in the evaluation stage of this and 
      have yet to select a final product.  Suffice to say some facelifts are 
      definitely on the way!
      
      Unlike many of the other "list servers" on the web these days, I have a 
      strict no-commercial-advertisement policy on the Matronics Lists and 
      associated List websites.  I have been approached by a number of vendors 
      recently with advertising deals that have been very tempting.  However, my 
      commitment to providing a grass-roots, non-commercial environment 
      prevails!  Commercialism on the Internet seems to be increasing 
      exponentially every year with more and more SPAM and pop up ads, not to 
      mention the ever increasing Virus attacks.  My goal with the Matronics List 
      Service is to provide my members with a commercial-free, safe, and 
      high-performance system in which to share information, ideas, and 
      camaraderie.
      
      I recoup my upgrade, maintenance, and operating costs by having a List Fund 
      Raiser once a year during November.  During this time, I ask List members 
      to donate a small amount of money to support the continued operation of the 
      Lists over the upcoming year.  Contributions in the $20, $30, and $50 range 
      are common.  This year I have completely revamped the Contribution website, 
      and have added the ability to use PayPal to make your Contribution in 
      addition to the traditional Visa/MC and Personal Check Options.  Its easier 
      and faster than ever before to make your Contribution!!  For those who are 
      accustomed to using PayPal to make Internet purchases, will appreciate the 
      ease and speed of using this handy method of payment to make their List 
      Contribution.
      
      The best news this year, however, is that I have a couple of fantastic Gift 
      offers to support the List Fund Raiser!  Andy Gold of The Builder's 
      Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ) will be generously donating a 
      FREE Jeppesen Flight Bag to anyone making a $50 or more List Contribution 
      during the Fund Raiser!  This is a great bag and something you'll surely 
      what to get your hands on.  Thanks Andy, for this great incentive!!
      
      In addition to the great Flight Bag, I will also be offering a FREE 
      Matronics List Archive CDROM for a $50 or greater Contribution!  This is a 
      complete set of archives for all Email Lists currently hosted by 
      Matronics.  The Archives date back to the beginning of the each List.  In 
      the case of the RV-List, for example, this includes archives all the way 
      back to 1990!  That's about 133Mb alone!  Also included on the CD is a copy 
      of Chip Gibbion's Windows Archive Search Utility and a precompiled 
      search-index for each archive on the CD.
      
      Better yet?!  You can get BOTH the Flight Bag AND the Archive CD for a 
      Contribution of $75 or more which is actually LESS than the combined retail 
      price on the two items!!!  How can you go wrong?  Get some great stuff AND 
      support your Lists at the same time!
      
      Over the next month I'll be posting a few reminder messages about the List 
      Fund Raiser, and I ask for your patience and understanding during the 
      process.  Remember that the Lists are *completely* funded through the 
      generous Contributions of its members.  That's it!  There's no support from 
      a bloated advertising budget or deep pockets somewhere.  Its all made 
      possible through YOUR support!
      
      I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who supports the 
      List this year.  Your generosity contributes directly to the quality of the 
      experience here.
      
      To make your List Contribution using a Visa or MasterCard, PalPal, or with 
      a Personal Check, please go to the URL link below.  Here you can find 
      additional details on this year's great free Gifts as well as additional 
      information on the various methods of payment.
      
               SSL Secure Contribution Web Site:
      
                       http://www.matronics.com/contributions
      
      Again, I would like to thank everyone who supports the Lists this 
      year!  Your Contributions truly make it all possible!!
      
      Thank you!
      
      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator
      
      
      Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
      925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
      http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
      
      
      
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Date: Nov 05, 2002
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: New List Digest Feature!! [Please Read]
Dear Listers, I've added a new feature to the Digest format of the Lists tonight. At the top of each digest you will find a new Index Listing of all of the messages found within that Digest including the Message Number, Subject, Poster, and Time of Day posted. I've also added a "Message Number" header to each message within the Digest so that its easy to find 'just the message' you were looking for! Sorry for the double posting of the digests tonight - the first time I didn't quite have the code right and a few "bogus" entries made it into the Index. I went ahead and reposted the Digest so that everyone could see how the Index-to-Message mapping really worked. Special 'thanks' to Gary Hall for not only suggesting a Digest Index, but also supplying a few samples on how it might look. Gary, I think you'll be quite pleased with the format! Don't forget that were right in the middle of this year's List Fund Raiser and if you haven't already made your Contribution, you own it to yourself to check out the great free Gifts that are available this year with your qualifying Contribution. The Lists are operated completely though the support of it members, and so its up to YOU to get that credit card out and make that $20, $30, or $50 show of support for the continued operation of the Lists. Won't you take a couple of minutes and make a quick Contribution on the all new, streamlined List Support web site? I've also added a Payment-through-PayPal option this year, and this is proving a very popular method of payment. Don't forget to check out the great free gifts you can get with a qualifying Contribution this year. I can't believe how popular they've been this year! Hurry and get your's today and support the Lists at the same time! Here's the SSL Secure URL for making your Contribution: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you for your Support!! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Johs, Robert (RW)" <johsrw(at)dow.com>
Subject: 320 Engine/Prop For Sale
Date: Nov 06, 2002
I have a Lycoming IO-320-B1A/180hp. engine currently flying in a Lancair 320. The engine currently has 30 hours TT SMOH by Dick DeMars. It is an upscale engine with all the performance enhancing modifications including 10:1 forged pistons, flow balanced cylinders, porting/polishing, friction reducing coatings, and balanced rotating parts. The engine is detailed very nice, smooth running, and a very strong performer. It is for sale complete at $14,300.00, come fly behind it in my Lancair. I also have a Hartzell HC-2YL-1F/F8468D-14 constant speed prop that has only 30 hours TT since new for sale at $5,700.00. Will sell the engine and prop complete are separately. Robert Robert W. Johs Dow Chemical Co. Seadrift LHC-2 ISB Leader/ODMS Coordinator 361/553-3508 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 07, 2002
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List Fund Raiser - What Listers Are Saying...
Dear Listers, First, I'd like say *thank you* to everyone that's already made a Contribution to this year's List Fund Raiser! Thank you! If you haven't already made a Contribution, won't you take a movement and show your support for these valuable services? Since there's no advertising or other forms of direct commercialism on the forums to support the Lists, its soley YOUR GENEROSITY that keeps them running!! Won't please take a minute and make a Contribution via the SSL secure web site via Credit Card, Paypal, or personal check. Here's the URL: http://www.matronics.com/contributions This year, I've been getting some *really* nice comments from Contributors and I thought I'd pass along a few of them below. What does the List mean to *you*? Thank you for your support!! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator _________________ What your fellow Listers are saying... _________________ ...great service!! Greg B. They have been a great assistance to me in building my RV-8. Kevin H. ...very much appreciated. Donald M. Great site... Angus F. ...invaluable resource. Ronald C [The List] has played a big part in continuing my project at those times when I got stuck for some reason. Jeff D. Although I am only a reader, I find the list very helpful. Oswaldo F. The lists are a fantastic resource and are helping me very much... Kenyon B. The list is part of my life. Ron C. The CD will free up some hard disk space on my personal PC. Jeff D. ...unbelievably useful. Dan O. ...dependable and valued source of builder information. Jerry C. My daily lifeline! Owen B. ...frequently get questions answered on the List. Billy W. Don't know how any first-time builder could get by without the lists. Rick R. ...great source of information and motivation. Jef V. Super resource! David P. The information presented is very helpful to the building process. James B. Wonderful Service! Wendell D. The lists are great! F. Robert M. ...very valuable to this builder. William C. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2002
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List Fund Raiser Continues...
Marie Murillo Dear Listers, Just a quick reminder this morning that we're well into this year's Email List Fund Raiser. Response has been great so far and there has been a lot of interest in the Gift options. Speaking of those Gifts, I received a sample of the Jeppesen Flight Bag from Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore http://www.buildersbooks.com this weekend, and let me just say that this is an extremely fine quality unit. Its very light, folds down into a very small form for storage, and will hold a whole lot of your "pilot stuff"! For a mere $50 List Contribution, one of these very nice bags could be yours! You'll be the envy of all your friends. Won't you make a Contribution today to support the these valuable Email List Services? Please remember that its YOUR generosity that entirely supports the continued operation and upgrade of the Lists. That's it - no ads, no banners - just good clean fun; that is, with your support of course! Please take a moment and make a generous Contribution today. It only takes a minute using the newly redesigned Contribution Web Site where you can use either a Credit Card, PayPal, or a Personal Check to make your donation. The URL for the SSL Secure Contribution web site is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution And I'd like to say a special "thank you!" to everyone one who has made Contribution so far this year!! I really appreciate your generosity! Best regards, Matt Dralle Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 12, 2002
From: Pahan Ranasingha <ltdoof(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: There's a new yahoo group
Just wanted to let you all know that there's a new yahoo group called experimental avionics...here's the link if you want to take a look http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExperimentalAvionics/ --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gretz aero" <warrengretz(at)gretzaero.com>
"Avionics-List" , "RV-List" , "Rocket-List" , "AeroElectric-List"
Subject: Heated pitot tube prices going up
Date: Nov 12, 2002
Hello Listers, I just found out that the price of the heated pitot tubes I sell is going up. The manufacture notified me that beginning at the first of the year the price is going to increase. I do not know how much yet. I am sure I will have to increase my price as well when this happens. I currently have a good supply of both the PH502-12CR and the AN5814 pitot tubes in stock and will be receiving another batch at the first of next month at the lower price. My advice is to purchase this item now before the first of the new year and save some money. You can order by calling me or place your order on my website at http://www.gretzaero.com I hope to hear from you soon. Warren Gretz Gretz Aero 720-308-0010 cell days 303-770-3811 home office, evenings and weekends ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 14, 2002
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Said What...?
Dear Listers, Wow, I can't belive some of the nice things people have been saying about the Lists in that little message box on the Contribution form! I've included more of the great comments since the last WLAS. Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far and for all the great feedback! Please know that I really appreciate the comments and support!! Have a look at some of your fellow members thoughts below and decide if the Lists mean at least that much to you or perhaps even more... Won't you take a moment and make a Contribution to support these Commercial-Free, SPAM-Free, Virus-Free, high-performance List services? Its your direct support through this yearly Fund Raiser that enables all of these valuable services you've come to expect of the Matronics Lists. Thank you for your Contribution!! SSL Secure Web Site - http://www.matronics.com/contribution Matt Dralle EMail List Administrator ===================================================================== =================== What Listers Are Saying - II ==================== ===================================================================== I check this List 4 to 5 times a day... -Bruce B. These are without a doubt among the best managed Lists to which I subscribe. -Terry W. Thank you for providing such a wonderful service. -Roy W. ...fine service! -Christopher A. Best list on the Internet! -Geroge A. Great list with a host of features. -David A. Having built part of a kit... ...I know exactly how much this list means to me and others. -Curtis H. As always... you've got a real cool & very useful service going... -Chuck R. I shudder to think of the trouble I would have had getting this project airborne without this list! -Grant C. ...enjoy everyone's input. -Doug P. I read the [the List] every day... -Ronald S. Whenever I feel like not building on my day off....I open my mail and the [the List] gets me pumped and ready to hit it! -Tom E. The Digest Message subject list is an excellent addition. -Kevin S. Certainly the [the List] has been a valuable source for building support and advice, but there's another benefit,... the wonderful friends that we meet and keep for years and years! -Fred H. What a great forum to exchange ideas and info. -Terry L. The List is my daily RV fix. -Neil H. I always received comments and suggestions when I requested them. -Thomas G. Best resource a builder could ever have. A daily must! -Robert C. Thanks for your gift - these web sites! -Tom P. ...great info. -Richard W. The List empowers all RV builders to achieve success... -Mark G. I've been reading the postings for a month now and decided to take the plunge as a result of the helpfulness and spirit of cooperation I observed. -Tim P. ...invaluable service. -Ford F. I check in at least twice daily for my e-mail "Fix". -John S. Its worth every penny of my contribution. -Paul M. Wonderful web site and it keeps getting better. -Jim H. A valuable list which has certainly helped me. -Andrew G. ...the List helps so many. -Don J. I really appreciate the site and find it interesting to speak to people who are into this type of aircraft. -Larry M. This is a great recreation for me. -Larry B. [The List] keeps me up to date and provides a fantastic resource for information. -Terry F. Lists are a great resource! -Daniel S. ...great service and professional administration of the Lists. -Chris R. I really appreciate the List. -Edward O. Worth every penny, and then some! -Kenyon B. ...great service. -Ralph H. Your unselfish contribution to the experimental aircraft movement is very much appreciated! -Alex M. Great help on the Aeroelectric list. -Bruce B. It helps on a daily basis. -Tim G. Thanks for providing this outstanding service to us! -Michel T. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 16, 2002
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: LOC Coming Soon...
Dear Listers, This year's List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner. I'll be posting the LOC on or about December 1. The List of Contributors is a directory of everyone's name that made a Contribution during this year's List Fund Raiser. Its kind of my way of publicly thanking everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the continued operation and upgrade of these Lists. Support your Lists today and make sure that your name is on the upcoming LOC! Your friends will be checking no doubt to see if YOU make your Contribution because THEY did! :-) Support Contribution Info - http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 18, 2002
Subject: Phoenix Composites
From: mooney37v(at)juno.com
Anyone have experience dealing with Phoenix Composities in Mesa, AZ? They are doing a pre-purchase/annual inspection for me on a 1995 Glasair I RG. I'm considering using them to do the exterior finish work and primer (quoted at 200 hours @ $36 = $7200). The original owner/builder left the exterior as sanded gelcoat only to allow the next owner choice of paint scheme. I'm based near St. Louis, MO so if anyone has experience with a Glasair saavy shop (good composite paint shop) closer to home I'd really appreciate the information. Thanks in Advance, Reggie Smith ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 19, 2002
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year?
Dear Listers, I got to thinking today that perhaps I should explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity to express why I think the List Services here provide a far better experience than the commercial equivalents. I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell Toner Cartridge Refills or other garbage nobody wants or needs. From the comments I've received over the years regarding the Lists, the great majority of the members really appreciate the non-commercialism of my List systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once a year to encourage members to support the Lists. I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer a great many benefits over the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first feature I believe to be particularly significant is that you *cannot* receive a computer v*rus from any of my Lists directly. I've been on a few other List servers and have been unfortunate enough to download infected files people have innocently or not-so-innocently included with their posts. This just can't happen with my Lists; each incoming message is filtered and attachments stripped off prior to posting. I provide a Photo and File Share feature that allows members to share files and bitmaps with other members and everyone can be assured that these files will be prescanned for any sort of v*rus before they are posted. Safe and simple. Also, with this photo and file sharing technique, the Archives don't get loaded up with a huge amounts of bitmap "data" that slows the Archive Search times. Another feature of this system is the extensive List Archives that are available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives go all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the super fast Search Engine, the huge size of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly finding the data you're looking for. Another feature of the Archives, in my opinion, is that they have been primarily stripped of all the useless email header data and all the other header garbage that seems to build up in a typical email thread. I have received an extremely positive response from Listers regarding the List Browse feature and the consensus is that the format and ease of use is outstanding. Members report that having the previous 7 days worth of messages online for easy browsing and sorting is hugely beneficial. And again, as with the real time distribution of List email, the messages are stripped of all the unnecessary email headers and potentially dangerous v*ruses. I am currently working on the additional ability to post and/or reply directly from the List Browse interface. More on this upcoming feature in the next week or so. I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain since about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys who I knew and who where also building RVs. It has grown into over 40 different aviation-related Email Lists and an associated web site that receives over 9,000,000 hits each year!! Additionally, the List email system forwards well over 50,000,000 (yes, that 50 MILLION) email messages to subscribers each year! With all the dot.bombs these days, I think there's a lot of value in supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and improving a high quality service at a price that's nearly free. I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows in the quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email Message, Search the Archives, or use the List Browser. The Lists will be here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a while for free, that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate, and receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual List Fund Raiser! Thank you, Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ------------------------------------------ The SSL Secure Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 21, 2002
From: Phil Hildebrand <phildebrand(at)pritchardindustrial.com>
Subject: Lancair ES
I am building an ES and want to include propeller deicing. Can anybody provide information as to where to source the components or where to start. Philip Hildebrand Lancair ES Canada ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2002
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List Value?
Dear Listers, We are quickly approaching the end of November and the official end of the List Fund Raiser. If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20 or $30 worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription to some lame magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that same amount and get a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to think of it, you do... :-) Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support YOUR Lists. Contribution Page: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively through YOUR generosity!! Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 23, 2002
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Fund Raiser Free Gift Shipping Status...
Dear Listers, A couple of people have written asking what the shipping status was of their free List Contribution Gifts. Seemed like some status was in order and I thought I detail where we're at... Flight Bag Requests ------------------- On 11/20/02 I shipped out the first batch of Flight Bag-Only (FBO) gift requests. I shipped all FBO gift requests I had received from 11/1 to 11/19 except for 3 (Sorry guys!) - I ran out of my first shipment flight bags! Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ) is supplying me with another batch flight bags which should arrive in about 2 weeks. By the way, these are REALLY nice Flight Bags. Extremely well built and very professional looking. Folds down into a very small size, but will hold a huge amount of stuff. If you fly, and you've got a lot of stuff, they you WANT one of these guys. Surf over to the List Contribution page for details on how to get one of your own!!! http://www.matronics.com/contribution The Flight Bags have been shipped out US Mail Parcel Post in a large, and I mean LARGE, padded white plastic envelope. According to the Post Office, worse case delivery time would be 8 days to destinations on the East Coast, but indicated it would likely take a lot less time. Archive CDROM Requests ---------------------- The Archive CDROMs will be mastered and burned on or about December 1 and should ship out shortly there after. Shipping will be US Mail, Media Rate in a big padded white envelope. The Archive List data included will be up to November 30th. Flight Bag and Archive CDROM Requests ------------------------------------- These combination orders will ship out when the Archive CDROMs are complete as described above, likely a little after December 1. The Flight Bag and the CDROM will be shipped together in the same Giant white padded envelope! Again, I want to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore for providing these awesome Flight Bags to support the List Fund Raiser. Andy has gone way beyond the call of duty with regard to his support of the Lists this year and to show your gratitude I would ask that you have a look at his web site and great media offerings. You'll find some excellent deals on some very useful material. http://www.buildersbooks.com And finally, I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so far this year! Your generosity and kindness is greatly appreciated. If you've been putting off making a Contribution, now's a great time show your appreciation in plenty of time to make it onto this year's List of Contributors AND get your free gift with qualifying Contribution!!! List Contribution Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution/ Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 25, 2002
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: All New List FAQs!
Dear Listers, I got to looking at the Email List FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions) today and realized that they where miserably out of date. I spent a wad of time today completely revising them and adding in documentation on all of the many new features such as the List Browse and Photoshare. Many of the little-known features are documented in there now, too, so even if you're a seasoned List veteran, you might want to give it a read. Never know what you might discover. At the bottom of this message in the Trailer you will find a new link item called "List FAQ" with a URL for this specific List. Just click on it and print it out or read it online. Don't forget that November is the List Fund Raiser month! The "2002 List of Contributors" is just days away and I know you'll want to make sure your name is on it!! Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation of these List Services! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 25, 2002
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: WLAS
Dear Listers, There are only a few days left until the November List of Contributors. I thought I'd take another opportunity to pass along some of the really nice things people have been saying recently about the Lists and how much they mean to them. If you receive value from the Lists in the form of ideas, assistance, comradery, moral support, inspiration, or just plain 'ol good entertainment, then won't take a moment to make a Contribution to support the continued operation and upgrade of them? Secure List Contribution Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution What does the List mean to you? Here's what some of your fellow contributing List members have said... ------------------------- What Listers Are Saying ------------------------- Great service for aviation types like me. Larry H Best investment I've made. Harley B I've been on this list since around 1996 and used it to help me finish my RV-6A three years ago. I'm still here because I still learn from it and use it to help others like me who may be where nobody else is building a RV. Thanks for your service to our community. It's appreciated. Jim S [List] people are a great break away from politics, religion and other sordid subjects. Robert B This site is a great confidence builder for the amateur builder. Gene L Great service! Barry P Very handy list to have, a good place for a beginner to get great answers from those who already experienced it. ...sure enjoy reading it. Joel R ...valuable service! Chris & Indira K This is the better than any morning paper - the best and most frequent service that I use on the Internet. Great job! This will make building the RV doable for me. Pete E I enjoy all of the ideas, suggestions and humor that comes with this list. I don't think I could build my RV4 with out everyone's help. Ross S GRRRRRRRRRRRREAT! James W The list is a great source of information, motivation, entertainment, passionate debate, and light-hearted back slapping. I wouldn't be without it. Roger H ...would still be looking for plans to hook-up s-tec auto pilot without your service! David S The new [digest] format is good. Graham S Great information you can't get anywhere else. Lots of nice people who have "Been there...done that." George D My normal morning routine: 1 Kiss "the princess" 2 Good cup of coffee 3 Log onto "List" A wonderful means of exchanging ideas, asking questions, gathering information, and sharing experiences. Robert G Great lists. Not only are the lists professionally and efficiently managed, but the *people* on the lists are very helpful, friendly and fun to chat with. Thank you for this wonderful resource. Ihab A Thanks a million, well maybe not a million!!! (: Ken H I need this fix every morning or I get grumpy... 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David A I have saved a lot of grief and dollars from referencing this site. It is truly an extension of Van's product support. Joseph C Terrific asset this List is to the builder! Scott J Great service! Tony B Look forward to the list each and every day. John B I could not cope up here in this lonely island without the help of the List and all the wonderful helpful people that have the experience of aircraft building and flying for fun. Johann J This list is part of my daily routine. I'm addicted. Terry D Great forum! John H This list is my main interest in the Internet. George R Great list. The best out there on any subject. Kevin H Been on the list since 1998 and I still look forward to reading the list every day. A most valuable tool. I have picked up many useful tips during the construction of my RV-4. Jerry I Thanks for all of your hard work on the lists. It is one of the reasons I bought a CJ-6A. Without the Yak-list, I believe it would have been much more difficult to get all the information that I need for safe operation and maintenance of this fine aircraft. David L The List has been an amazing source of useful information. I consider it one of my best builder tools. Gunter M An excellent channel of information. I have gained a wealth of knowledge on both building and flying Kolb aircraft. Jim B Enjoy the wealth of information that is shared. Richard N Fine service. Beauford T [The] List is the first stop of the day. Made lot of friends from it. Orie S The information I gleaned off the List has always been helpful. Kenneth B Over the 3+ years that I have been building, I check it several times each day. I have learned a lot of very useful tips that have helped me in my building. Richard D Not only is it worth a contribution for the info gleaned from it but the personalities alone are pure entertainment! Stephen F This is great stuff!!! Entertaining, too!! Fast answers from those who really know... Bob R I am building an RV-9A and have received help from the lists and occasionally been able to give help to others. Alden Van W This list has saved me countless hours of work and worry already, and I'm only halfway there! Undoubtedly the most important aid I have yet found in this sometimes intimidating process of building an aircraft. Paul H I've been a member since '96 and have learned so much from the vast knowledge of the listers. Gary Z Outstanding List, exceptionally maintained. David S Thanks for all the improvements you've made this year. The Photoshare feature definitely proves "one picture is worth a thousand words". Richard H I finished my RV6A this year. It is a much better airplane because of the help I found on the RV and Aeroelectric Lists. Dale W Can't imagine building without the list. Larry H The list continues to be a great resource of information and advice. 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Date: Nov 28, 2002
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: New Gift Selection Added - List Fund Raiser! [Please Read]
Dear Listers, I've just added a great new last minute Gift Selection to this year's List Fund Raiser line up! I have a very limited number of sets of a wonderful collection of Aircraft Technical books by Jeppesen entitled "The A&P Technical Series Book Set". This is a great opportunity to make a generous Contribution to support the Lists and walk away with a great set of reference manuals at the same time. This set of books normally retails for over $117 PLUS shipping, but you can pick up your set AND make this year's List Contribution for a cool C-note - that's a $100, by the way! :-) I'm thinking "Great Christmas Gift"... There's more information on the books and making your Contribution at the List Contribution web site: Email List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution We're coming close to the official end of this year's List Fund Raiser and if you haven't yet made your Contribution, there's still time get your name on that List of Contributors! The percentage of contributors is kind of low this year but I'm hoping many of you are just holding out until the last minute! I want to thank each and everyone of you that has already made a donation to support the continued operation and upgrade of these List Services. As I've mentioned in the past, running these Lists is a labor of love for me and the hours upon hours of code development, system maintenance, and upgrades are MY Contribution to support this great resource for Builders and Flyer's alike. Won't your take a minute and make YOUR Contribution today? I want to thank you for your support both during the Fund Raiser but also throughout the year in the form of kind words and moral support. A nice comment from a List member about how much the lists have helped them is always a sure way to brighten my day! Thank you to all! Matt Dralle Email List Admin. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2002
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [PLEASE READ!] "What is my Contribution used for?"
Dear Listers, Some have asked, "What is my Contribution used for?", and this is a valid question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides for the expensive, business-class, high-speed Internet connection used on the List, insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing List services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search Engine and List Browser. It pays for 14+ years worth of online archive data available for instant random access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, and Photoshare. But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation, censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many places on the Internet can you make all those statements about these days? I will venture to say - next to none... It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many desirable aspects of this most valuable List service. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its the best investment you can make in your Sport - BAR NONE! Email List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2002
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List Report...
Dear Listers, This is the last "official" day of the List Fund Raiser. Based on previous year's percentages of Lister's making a Contribution, this year we are nearly 40% behind the normal... And I thought all those great gifts would eke the percentage up past the average a little. Oh well. Maybe people just don't really mind the flashing banner ads for Viagra, and popups for X10 minicams... There's still plenty of time to get your name of the List of Contributors. I'll probably publish the LOC on Monday night after I process the checks from the Post Office. I do want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so far this year. Your support is greatly appreciated and is what makes the Lists possible. How to support your Lists this month: http://www.matronics.com/contributions Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2002
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: All New List Digest Format!!
Dear Listers, I've just finished up some awesome code that will completely change your thinking about how email Digests should work and look! Yeah, I'm kind of proud of it, that is true... :-) What you'll be getting in the new List Digest message is the following: The main message will contain the new text-based index I introduced a few weeks back. But here's where things get different... Instead of simply including all of the day's posts in line within the message, there will now be included two enclosures - one with a HTML encoded version of the Digests, and another with the usual text-only version of the Digests. I think you're really going to like the new HTML enclosure of the Digests. All of the Indexes at the top are now hyperlinked to the actual posts and there are hyperlinks at the top of each post that will: o Take you back to the Index o Take you to the next post o Take you to the previous post o Allow you to respond to the LIST regarding the message o Allow you to respond directly to the POSTER regarding the message You'll have to check it out to appreciate the full goodness of the new format! :-) The text-only version is basically exactly the same data that has been normally sent in line within the message. You'll also note that the filenames of the enclosures are such that they can be conveniently placed in a personal "archive" directory for future reference. Hope you enjoy the new Digest format!!! Oh, and don't forget about the Fund Raiser! :-) Matt Dralle Email List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2002
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: New, NEW List Digest Format...
Dear Listers, Okay, so I woke up this morning to an email box full of hate-mail about the new List Digest format. I thought it was cool, but I guess not... Still, it seemed like too much code to just throw out, so I've modified things a little and I'm hoping everyone will be happy with the new, NEW arrangement. Here's how it works now: o The HTML and TXT enclosures aren't sent in the Digest any longer. o URL Links to the HTML and TEXT versions of the day's Digests will be found at the top of the digest email. o The new Digest Index will be found at the top of the digest email following the URL Links. o The full digest text will then be found in the email as before. o All of the previous Digests will now be available on line. The URL for the main digest page is: http://www.matronics.com/digest From here, you can drill into the specific List Digest of interest. o Both the HTML and TXT versions of the Digests can be found here. o The List Message Trailer will contain a Link directly to the given o Right now there's only one Digest shown, but each day there will be another. They will be sorted with the newest at the top. Left-hand column is the HTML version, right-hand column the TXT version. A couple people also complained that some messages in the HTML version were just one long line that went off to the right forever and they hated that. Come to think of it, this is also an issue in the Search Engine, List Browser, and Archive Browser. Some email programs don't included hard Returns at regular intervals and that's what causes this. I wrote a program tonight that will automatically chop these long lines into 78 characters or less and wrap the rest of the line. After tonight's Archive transfer, all of the Searching and Browsing tools shouldn't have the problem any longer either. Woo hoo! So, back to the new Digest format. What people are going to see in the new, NEW Digest is a bit of verbiage at the top of the email describing the URL links to the HTML and TXT on-line versions, followed by the Links, followed by the day's Index, followed by the day's messages just as before. Lines longer than 78 characters will also be automatically wrapped onto the next line. Hopefully this will be a more pleasing arrangement for everyone. Sorry to get everybody so stirred up over the format change! The List of Contributors is coming out tomorrow night... Still time to make that Contribution! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Best regards, Matt Dralle Email List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Flyer439(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 10, 2002
Subject: installation of atp turbine in lancair 320
hi.........just a question about the possibility of installing this atp turbine. is anyone else working on the possible installation. would like to hear if possible. thanks, tom rohling ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N823ms(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 10, 2002
Subject: Re: installation of atp turbine in lancair 320
Tom: About nine months ago I went through the process of a future ATP engine. As far as the Lancair ES, it would have probably worked. Doing most of the engineering my self, it looked like I would have had to move the 186 Ib engine about two inches forward. The decision why I did not do this option is simply--no insurance company would insure the engine or me if I had installed this engine. Since then the company has changed hands and prices are up. I did call them to see if they had a recommendation of an insurance company that they may have been working with. They would never return my E-mail or calls. For what it is worth Ed Silvanic Lancair ES ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gordon Robertson" <res0rlvx(at)verizon.net>
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Subject: Brand new rotary engine and redrive for sale
Date: Jan 04, 2003
Folks, Here is a great opportunity for anyone wishing to power his/her homebuilt with a Rotary engine. Due to changed circumstances, I have to sell my RX-7 engine that I was preparing for my RV8. This is a 0 hour engine, complete with Real World Solutions redrive and electronic control box, modified with high compression rotors, ceramic apex seals, street porting and many other mods to achieve 180 hp. The engine and redrive are brand new. I have invested over $7,400 on this engine, and am letting it go for $6,500. I am in the San Jose, CA area, but can ship the engine anywhere. You can see the details at http://mysite.verizon.net/res0rlvx Contact me at g.robertson3(at)verizon.net, or (408) 778 2246 Gordon Robertson ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Underland" <geneandvangie(at)mail.tds.net>
Subject: Lancair ES
Date: Jan 09, 2003
I saw an ad for an ES with the 360 engine that was for sale. Now I can't find the ad back. Anybody have information on it? Gene ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Underland" <geneandvangie(at)mail.tds.net>
Subject: Blue Mountain Avionics
Date: Mar 03, 2003
We are building a Lancair ES. Installing BMA EFIS ONE. Anybody familiar with it? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GatesJH(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 03, 2003
Subject: Re: Only mail
Suggest carrying a little power through the flare. a 12-year Lancair flyer ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 07, 2003
From: Tom Thibault <tthibaultsprint(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Forward facing fuel servo on LNC2
To anyone who has modified an IO-360-B1F from updraft to forward facing, 1. Where did you get the replacement sump? What did it cost? Did it come with all engine parts? 2. What did you do about the exhaust system? What did it cost? 3. I assume you had to lengthen the throttle and mixture cables and build a different air box. 4. Was there anything else to do (I guess the cowl can be shallower afterwards)? Thanks, Tom P.S. I recently bought Norm Hendrickson's very nice 360. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BrownScottA(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 14, 2003
Subject: Garmin 250XL
rv6-list(at)matronics.com, rv7-list(at)matronics.com, rv8-list(at)matronics.com, rv9-list(at)matronics.com, kr-list(at)matronics.com Hey guys, I have a garmin 250xl brand new, never been installed for sale. Store price is $2795, I will let it go to the first $2200. Please reply offline. Thanks, Scott ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 22, 2003
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: 7-Day Matronics List Browse Enhancement...
Dear Listers, Neil Hulin of the Zenith-List at Matronics wrote to me suggesting I add a "total of available messages" column to the 7-Day List Browse Main page, and it seemed like a great idea! I've made the modifications and I think many will find it extremely helpful as well. Have a look at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/ Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin... Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 01, 2003
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matronics ISP Upgrade TODAY...
Dear Listers, The time has finally arrived for the Internet Service Provider (ISP) upgrade! You'll recall that I was looking into upgrading the existing SDSL connection from 768k to 1.1M. As it turned out, the copper line wouldn't support any speeds greater than the current 768k. In light of that news, I just bit-the-bullet and ordered a full, commercial-grade T1 connection. The T1 connection will provide a full-duplex, high priority, 1.5Mb Internet connection which should be a substantial performance enhancement for all of the List services! Pacbell delivered the T1 Loop last week and it tested out fine. This past weekend I pulled the tail circuit from the demark to the office. This afternoon, Tuesday 4/1/03, the ISP is suppose come and install the new router and bring up routing on a test subnet. Assuming that everything checks out okay with the T1, new router, and routing, I will have them swing the main Matronics subnet off the SDSL and onto the T1. In theory, the swing could be nearly transparent to users, but that's usually not the case... ;-) Please expect a bit of instability in connectivity this afternoon as we work though the transition issues. I will post a follow up message when everything is up and running on the new T1 line. Finally, please know that it is solely your Contributions that make these kinds of List upgrades happen! There is no advertising budget (aka, flashing banner ads and annoying pop up browser windows) to pay these bills; operational support is solely from List members like you during the yearly List Fund Raiser. If you would like to make your Contribution to support the Lists and upgrades like this T1 connectivity enhancement, please see the List Contribution Web Site where you can make your Contribution with a Credit Card, PayPal, or Personal Check. You can even get a free List Archive CDROM with a qualifying List Contribution! The URL is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thanks again to EVERYONE that made a generous Contribution last year and enabled this awesome upgrade to T1 service! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Shannon Knoepflein" <kycshann(at)kyol.net>
Subject: My idea of removeable baggage door
Date: Apr 02, 2003
I've been working on my own idea of a removable window/baggage door for the Legacy for several months. My plane went to paint this week, so I shot some pix of the completed door/window installed. Attached are a couple. More are on my website, http://shannon.v8eaters.com/images/lancair/04_2003 (look for things that have to do with door or baggage) When Rob gets a chance, he will mirror these pix with thumbnails to http://www.lancaironline.net/pix/shannon which is easier to view. Also up in 04_2003 are pix of my panel fired up, pretty exciting moment for me. Other assorted tidbits in the latest round include the legacy steps, the supercharger airbox, the AC airbox, and the firewall alternator inset. Enjoy!! --- Shannon Knoepflein <---> kycshann(at)kyol.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 02, 2003
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matronics ISP Upgrade COMPLETED!
Dear Listers, I just wanted to send out a quick note to let everyone know that the 1.5Mb T1 connection upgrade went smoothly today. They brought up the new line and router yesterday on a test subnet and today the ISP switched over connectivity about 12 noon with little to no incident. I just finished some performance testing, and it appears that actual throughput and interactive response is noticeably improved as advertised! Enjoy! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Schroeder <jschroeder(at)perigee.net>
Date: Apr 05, 2003
Subject: Re: My idea of removeable baggage door
Shannon - The GAMI folks told me at Sun N Fun that they still have no pricing on the PRISM/Supplenator system and do not anticipate being able to ship to the experimental market before Dec 2003. Are you going with straight mags for the time being? John ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Charles White" <c.f.white(at)att.net>
Subject: New builder in town!
Date: Apr 21, 2003
I am seriously considering building a new ES and hoped there might be a current builder in town. Charles White Houston, Texas ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ron Raby" <ronr(at)advanceddesign.com>
Subject: Re: New builder in town!
Date: Apr 21, 2003
Charles I am building an ES, But I am not from town. What do you want to know? Ron Raby N829R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles White" <c.f.white(at)att.net> Subject: Lancair-List: New builder in town! > > I am seriously considering building a new ES and hoped there might be a > current builder in town. > > Charles White > Houston, Texas > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Charles White" <c.f.white(at)att.net>
Subject: Builder Assist Program
Date: Apr 22, 2003
Ron, thanks for your reply. I was wondering if you used their 2 week builder assist program with your ES and how your experience has been so far. Thanks... Charles White Houston, TX ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ron Raby" <ronr(at)advanceddesign.com>
Subject: Re: Builder Assist Program
Date: Apr 22, 2003
Charles I was the first one to go to the builders assist program for the ES. I went for one week. during that week I closed my wings, horizontal stab and elevators. the time savings in not having to build those jigs is well worth it. It saves hundreds of hours of work. I definitely recommend the 2 weeks at the factory. I started my kit in July of 01 and have aprox 2k hours on it. there is probably a thousand hours left. I bought every fast build option available at the time. I could probably cut a third of that time if I had to do it again. It takes a while to get good at doing the composite work. I took a weekend sportair class on doing composite work in griffin Georgia. I would recommend taking a similar course before the two week builders assist. I wanted to build this plane and have enjoy doing it. All I can say is make sure that you and your family are prepared for the time commitment required. I have pictures of the work from the builders assist program. if you want them I can email some of them to you. Good luck Ron From: "Charles White" <c.f.white(at)att.net> Subject: Lancair-List: Builder Assist Program > > Ron, thanks for your reply. I was wondering if you used their 2 week builder > assist program with your ES and how your experience has been so far. > > Thanks... > > Charles White > Houston, TX > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Casey" <glcasey(at)adelphia.net>
Subject:
Date: Apr 23, 2003
<> Correction - I think I was the first! I was there for the "builders assist" 1-week program in Feb. 01 for my kit # 157. My comments would read exactly like those above as I thought that week was the most useful of the whole project. One big thing is that it completely eliminates building any tooling or jigs for the project, allowing you to concentrate on fiberglass instead. And I previously took the Sportair workshop at Corona, CA. The new 2-week program, which includes a lot more that what I received, would be an even better deal, in my opinion. Gary Casey ES #157 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ron Raby" <ronr(at)advanceddesign.com>
Subject: Re:
Date: Apr 23, 2003
Gary Thought I was first. How are you doing on your kit? I am about ready for my enjine and panel. Ron Raby N829R Kit # 160 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Casey" <glcasey(at)adelphia.net> Subject: Lancair-List: > > < went > for one week. during that week I closed my wings, horizontal stab and > elevators. the time savings in not having to build those jigs is well worth > it. It saves hundreds of hours of work. I definitely recommend the 2 weeks > at the factory. I started my kit in July of 01 and have approximately 2k > hours on > it. there is probably a thousand hours left. I bought every fast build > option available at the time. I could probably cut a third of that time if I > had to do it again. It takes a while to get good at doing the composite > work. I took a weekend sportair class on doing composite work in griffin > Georgia. I would recommend taking a similar course before the two week > builders assist.>> > > Correction - I think I was the first! I was there for the "builders assist" > 1-week program in Feb. 01 for my kit # 157. My comments would read exactly > like those above as I thought that week was the most useful of the whole > project. One big thing is that it completely eliminates building any > tooling or jigs for the project, allowing you to concentrate on fiberglass > instead. And I previously took the Sportair workshop at Corona, CA. The > new 2-week program, which includes a lot more that what I received, would be > an even better deal, in my opinion. > > Gary Casey > ES #157 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Charles White" <c.f.white(at)att.net>
Subject: Lancair - ES... 2 week builder program
Date: Apr 23, 2003
Ron, thanks for all your thoughts on this! I too, believe the two week builder assist program is the only way to go and am glad to hear you feel the same way. Yes, it also seems that the 2nd week is well advised, for I'm told that it focuses on fitting the doors and the gear... no small projects either! I have just finished building another plane (a 4 year project - so I can certainly understand what you mean about the commitment in time.) In fact, just won outstanding "Light Airplane" at Sun-n-Fun. Flew it from Houston to Lakeland over 2 days at 80 kts. and 1500 ft. - a ton of fun! Thanks again for your thoughts on the builders assist program and will probably be in touch with you a lot as things with the ES develop. Just retired a few months ago and with so much time now - hope to be able to build the plane in about a year or so... probably wishful thinking! Yes, I would love to see your pictures... please send them. Also, let me ask you... are there not very many other Lancair builders on this site? My other plane's site had a number of builders and proved to be a valuable tool for everyone involved in building their plane. Look forward to hearing from you... Charles White Houston, TX 713-532-0150 Charles I was the first one to go to the builders assist program for the ES. I went for one week. during that week I closed my wings, horizontal stab and elevators. the time savings in not having to build those jigs is well worth it. It saves hundreds of hours of work. I definitely recommend the 2 weeks at the factory. I started my kit in July of 01 and have aprox 2k hours on it. there is probably a thousand hours left. I bought every fast build option available at the time. I could probably cut a third of that time if I had to do it again. It takes a while to get good at doing the composite work. I took a weekend sportair class on doing composite work in griffin Georgia. I would recommend taking a similar course before the two week builders assist. I wanted to build this plane and have enjoy doing it. All I can say is make sure that you and your family are prepared for the time commitment required. I have pictures of the work from the builders assist program. if you want them I can email some of them to you. Good luck Ron ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Schroeder <jschroeder(at)perigee.net>
Date: Apr 23, 2003
Subject: Re: Lancair - ES... 2 week builder program
Hi Charles - Ron Szot and I are building a Super ES and live in the Charlotte, NC area. We did not get the millenium fastbuild ES (not available at the time be bought in April of 01), but the kit has a lot of the millenium features. This makes the manuals a bit gruesome because they are not only out of date, but even more so with the later fastbuild kits. This is another story, but somewhat relevant to your decision. Before we closed out our wing, we asked to go to the factory and participate in the builder assist workshop for an L-IV. Since the IV has many features in common with the ES, we wanted to get as much info as possible on all aspects of the building process. Marke Mahnke welcomed 2 willing laborers so we went in early Dec of 2001. We were most fortunate. Two Legacies and two LIV's were in the center - and all were just beginning week one of the builder assist shop. We had only 3 days, but it was worth every penny and minute. We got to see almost every aspect of the 2 week L-IV program because one project started on their wings and the other started on the fuselage. I believe that anyone starting and ES ought to go for the 2 week program. In 2 weeks, you will be at a point where we expect to be after about 26 months of building!!! :-( If you have the extra budget, it will be the best investment you could make in the build process. YOu get fabulous progress, great knowledge, superb assistance and a chance to spend 2 weeks working hard but getting to know some of the very best folks in the business. If you do go for the builder assist, I'd work extra hard to find an another worker-bee to go along to help. It will make a world of difference. Put out the word and maybe someone who is working on an ES or contemplating an ES would like to learn how to do it. Another way to look at it is that you will get 2 solid weeks of firehose tech support without waiting or leaving voice mails!! :-) Go for it. Cheers, John Schroeder LNCE - 50% ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Casey" <glcasey(at)adelphia.net>
Subject:
Date: Apr 25, 2003
<> I think you'll be well ahead of me. I have the wings, including the tips virtually done - meaning probably 2 more months before I get to the point of having primer on them. I have most of the lower fuselage done, including all of the control rods, rudder pedals, etc. I'm probably 6 months away from needing an engine, and a year away from needing the panel. With working full time (can't afford to retire) I just don't get much time and am doing all the work myself. And, yes, there doesn't seem to be many Lancair builders on this list - most seem to be on the other one. However, this list might be the ES list! The other one is populated mostly with IV and Legacy builders. Gary ES #157 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DWAIN HARRIS" <DJaerosports(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: ancair-List:
Date: Apr 25, 2003
Hi Gary Can you tell me what the other list that the Legacy builders are on. Thank you Dwain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Casey" <glcasey(at)adelphia.net> Subject: Lancair-List: > > < > Thought I was first. How are you doing on your kit? I am about ready for my > engine and panel. > > Ron Raby > > N829R > > Kit # 160>> > > I think you'll be well ahead of me. I have the wings, including the tips > virtually done - meaning probably 2 more months before I get to the point of > having primer on them. I have most of the lower fuselage done, including > all of the control rods, rudder pedals, etc. I'm probably 6 months away > from needing an engine, and a year away from needing the panel. With > working full time (can't afford to retire) I just don't get much time and am > doing all the work myself. > > And, yes, there doesn't seem to be many Lancair builders on this list - most > seem to be on the other one. However, this list might be the ES list! The > other one is populated mostly with IV and Legacy builders. > > Gary > ES #157 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DWAIN HARRIS" <DJaerosports(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: My idea of removeable baggage door
Date: Apr 25, 2003
Shannon Nice looking panel. Is there another list that the Legacy builders are using. Thanks Dwain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shannon Knoepflein" <kycshann(at)kyol.net> Subject: Lancair-List: My idea of removeable baggage door > > I've been working on my own idea of a removable window/baggage door for > the Legacy for several months. My plane went to paint this week, so I > shot some pix of the completed door/window installed. Attached are a > couple. More are on my website, > http://shannon.v8eaters.com/images/lancair/04_2003 (look for things that > have to do with door or baggage) When Rob gets a chance, he will mirror > these pix with thumbnails to http://www.lancaironline.net/pix/shannon > which is easier to view. > > Also up in 04_2003 are pix of my panel fired up, pretty exciting moment > for me. Other assorted tidbits in the latest round include the legacy > steps, the supercharger airbox, the AC airbox, and the firewall > alternator inset. Enjoy!! > > --- > Shannon Knoepflein <---> kycshann(at)kyol.net > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Shannon Knoepflein" <kycshann(at)kyol.net>
Subject: My idea of removeable baggage door
Date: Apr 26, 2003
Its the LML list, www.lancaironline.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DWAIN HARRIS Subject: Re: Lancair-List: My idea of removeable baggage door Shannon Nice looking panel. Is there another list that the Legacy builders are using. Thanks Dwain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shannon Knoepflein" <kycshann(at)kyol.net> Subject: Lancair-List: My idea of removeable baggage door > > I've been working on my own idea of a removable window/baggage door for > the Legacy for several months. My plane went to paint this week, so I > shot some pix of the completed door/window installed. Attached are a > couple. More are on my website, > http://shannon.v8eaters.com/images/lancair/04_2003 (look for things that > have to do with door or baggage) When Rob gets a chance, he will mirror > these pix with thumbnails to http://www.lancaironline.net/pix/shannon > which is easier to view. > > Also up in 04_2003 are pix of my panel fired up, pretty exciting moment > for me. Other assorted tidbits in the latest round include the legacy > steps, the supercharger airbox, the AC airbox, and the firewall > alternator inset. Enjoy!! > > --- > Shannon Knoepflein <---> kycshann(at)kyol.net > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 28, 2003
From: Mark Steitle <msteitle(at)mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: New builder in town!
Charles, Go to www.lancair-es.com and see what Don Parsons is up to. He's in the Houston area and knows of other ES builders too. E-mail him and see if he will invite you over for a look-see. Mark S. Austin, TX > >Charles > >I am building an ES, But I am not from town. What do you want to know? > >Ron Raby > >N829R >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Charles White" <c.f.white(at)att.net> >To: >Subject: Lancair-List: New builder in town! > > > > > > I am seriously considering building a new ES and hoped there might be a > > current builder in town. > > > > Charles White > > Houston, Texas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Howie" <bhowie(at)optidisc.com>
Subject: IVP Brake Lines
Date: May 02, 2003
I am going to replace the brake lines on my IVP. It has the original nylaflow lines through the gear leg. I have read comments about replacing with DHI or D&H but I cannot find a source or an accurate name for the line or the manufacturer or supplier. Any help out there Bill Howie ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <czechsix(at)juno.com>
Subject: Re: Movie
Date: Jun 26, 2003
Please see the attached zip file for details. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 28, 2003
From: Stephen Crow <k4cpx(at)arrl.net>
Subject: TFR's
I would think that a President who is a pilot would understand what tremendous inconveniences he causes by allowing these ridiculous flight restrictions. Just look at the long list of airports, large and small that are effected. He reminds me of the time Clinton allowed an entire airport to be shutdown while he had a leisurely haircut in the parked A/F One. This present President knows better and choses to ignore the difficulties he causes. Yeah, I know "He doesn't set these rules". BS He could stop this idiosy with three short words "Cut the Crap!". The aviation world should be screaming to him personally. I hope he's not totally deaf. Steve C. ==================================================================== Subject: Commander-List: Fw: President Bush / Miami / Tampa --> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow More damn restrictions! Steve C. ==================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: JERRYROOKS(at)aol.com Subject: President Bush / Miami / Tampa AOPA ePilot Special Airspace Bulletin June 27, 2003 A special notice to AOPA members in the Florida area ==> ATTENTION PILOTS <== FAA TO ACTIVATE 30-NM TFRs OVER MIAMI AND TAMPA AOPA is sending this message to advise you that the FAA will establish 30-nm-radius temporary flight restrictions (TFRs) over Miami and Tampa when President Bush travels to the cities on Monday, June 30. AOPA continues to lobby for more reasonably sized presidential movement TFRs, absent a specific and credible threat. The association maintains almost daily contact with the FAA, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), and officials responsible for the president's security. The Miami TFR will be in effect from 11:20 a.m. to 2:30 p.m. local on Monday and prohibits aircraft within a 10-mile radius of the DHP vortac's 99-degree radial at 7.9 miles (near the Orange Bowl). The Tampa TFR will be in effect from 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. local on Monday and prohibits general aviation aircraft within a 10-mile radius of the PIE vortac's 62-degree radial at 9 miles (essentially over Tampa International Airport). Between 10 and 30 nm from the center of both TFRs and below 18,000 feet, flight operations are only permitted for ingress or egress. Aircraft must be on an active IFR or VFR flight plan with a discrete transponder code assigned by air traffic control, and maintain two-way radio communications. The notam says that air traffic control may authorize transient operations. The impacted landing facilities for Miami are Miami Heliport (X48), Miami SPB (X44), Miami International (MIA), Opa Locka (OPF), North Perry (HWO), Kendall-Tamiami Executive (TMB), Opa Locka West (X46), Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood International (FLL), Downtown Fort Lauderdale Heliport (DT1), Motorsports Complex EMS Heliport (MC4), Motorsports Complex VIP Heliport (VI2), Fort Lauderdale Executive (FXE), Homestead General Aviation (X51), and Pompano Beach Airpark (PMP). The impacted landing facilities for Tampa are Tampa International (TPA), Peter O. Knight (TPF), St. Petersburg-Clearwater International (PIE), Vandenberg (VDF), Clearwater Air Park (CLW), Albert Whitted (SPG), Tampa North Aero Park (X39), Plant City Municipal (PCM), Airport Manatee (48X), Pilot Country (X05), Zephyrhills Municipal (ZPH), Lakeland Linder Regional (LAL), South Lakeland (X49), and Hernando County (BKV). Pilots are strongly encouraged to check notams prior to all flights as changes have occurred with many of these presidential TFRs. See AOPA Online for the full text of the Miami notam ( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html#3/5150 ) or Tampa notam ( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html#3/5149 ). ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 28, 2003
From: Stephen Crow <k4cpx(at)arrl.net>
Subject: TFR's
This message from JERRYROOKS(at)aol.com ......... In a message dated 6/28/2003 8:24:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, To; Steve C. I'm wondering when they'll start shutting down the air space around where Air Force One is en route ?? We sure seem to be terrorized !! Let's figure some way to tell him how this really seems to everybody else. Thanks for keeping folks informed. Jerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 28, 2003
From: klwerner(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: TFR's
>> I'm wondering when they'll start shutting down the air space around >> where Air Force One is en route?? We sure seem to be terrorized!! As a matter of fact, THEY DO shut down the Airspace around Air Force-1! And they do enforce it, so don't even try to get a close-up picture of AF-1 the next time the President is coming to your town. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jonathan & Kathryn Hults" <jkhults(at)interlinkdsl.com>
Subject: TFR's
Date: Jun 28, 2003
How quickly we forget! It's only been a year and a half since 9/11 and already we want things back the way they used to be? Not me! I for one am confident that after the initial "over reaction" to thousands of Americans being killed by airplanes that things will eventually get back to a more secure "normal" for us all. I'm willing to put up with a little inconvenience until then. Cheers, Jon Hults -----Original Message----- From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of klwerner(at)comcast.net Subject: Re: Lancair-List: TFR's >> I'm wondering when they'll start shutting down the air space around >> where Air Force One is en route?? We sure seem to be terrorized!! As a matter of fact, THEY DO shut down the Airspace around Air Force-1! And they do enforce it, so don't even try to get a close-up picture of AF-1 the next time the President is coming to your town. direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 28, 2003
From: Stephen Crow <k4cpx(at)arrl.net>
Subject: TFR's
Jon: 1. My guess is you don't fly. Or at least not E. of the Miss. into any populated areas. 2. You neglect the fact that small aircraft had nothing to do with the "thousands of Americans being killed. NOTHING! 3. Did we ban Ford Van rental trucks after Okalahoma City bombing? Of course not! 4. You call it "a little inconvenience". That it ain't. It's a major pain in the neck! It is gettin' worse, not less. We are accelerating down a rocky precipice to no added protection to Americans. You are too blindly complacent. 5. You're not the only one whose easily led around by an overly officious government beauracracy. And you're paying for it too. Dearly. Steve C. ======================================================== How quickly we forget! It's only been a year and a half since 9/11 and already we want things back the way they used to be? Not me! I for one am confident that after the initial "over reaction" to thousands of Americans being killed by airplanes that things will eventually get back to a more secure "normal" for us all. I'm willing to put up with a little inconvenience until then. Cheers, Jon Hults ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jonathan & Kathryn Hults" <jkhults(at)interlinkdsl.com>
Subject: TFR's
Date: Jun 28, 2003
Steve, 1. I've been flying for 28 years...23 years professionally. I fly all over the U.S. and the World. 2. No, small aircraft weren't used in the attacks.....LAST time! 3. We haven't banned general aviation aircraft...just taken safeguards. 4. Many of the TFR's are at and around sites that have been specifically threatened. 5. You're anti-government stripes are showing, Steve. I'm not a BIG government fan, but I do expect them to protect us from our enemies....foreign AND domestic! Face it, Steve, the world has changed and you may just have to live with that pain in your neck! Cheers, Jon -----Original Message----- From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Crow Subject: Lancair-List: TFR's Jon: 1. My guess is you don't fly. Or at least not E. of the Miss. into any populated areas. 2. You neglect the fact that small aircraft had nothing to do with the "thousands of Americans being killed. NOTHING! 3. Did we ban Ford Van rental trucks after Okalahoma City bombing? Of course not! 4. You call it "a little inconvenience". That it ain't. It's a major pain in the neck! It is gettin' worse, not less. We are accelerating down a rocky precipice to no added protection to Americans. You are too blindly complacent. 5. You're not the only one whose easily led around by an overly officious government beauracracy. And you're paying for it too. Dearly. Steve C. ======================================================== How quickly we forget! It's only been a year and a half since 9/11 and already we want things back the way they used to be? Not me! I for one am confident that after the initial "over reaction" to thousands of Americans being killed by airplanes that things will eventually get back to a more secure "normal" for us all. I'm willing to put up with a little inconvenience until then. Cheers, Jon Hults direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ken" <av8or(at)infionline.net>
Subject: TFR's
Date: Jun 28, 2003
Jon, If someone disagrees with the way the yankee guvment is handling GA means we are anti guvment then there are a lot of folks here id the DC area that are against the folks that give them a pay check. Ken av8or(at)infionline.net kring(at)mountainviewdogs.com kring(at)irisweb.net www.irisweb.net www.mountainviewdogs.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan & Kathryn Hults Subject: RE: Lancair-List: TFR's Steve, 1. I've been flying for 28 years...23 years professionally. I fly all over the U.S. and the World. 2. No, small aircraft weren't used in the attacks.....LAST time! 3. We haven't banned general aviation aircraft...just taken safeguards. 4. Many of the TFR's are at and around sites that have been specifically threatened. 5. You're anti-government stripes are showing, Steve. I'm not a BIG government fan, but I do expect them to protect us from our enemies....foreign AND domestic! Face it, Steve, the world has changed and you may just have to live with that pain in your neck! Cheers, Jon -----Original Message----- From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Crow Subject: Lancair-List: TFR's Jon: 1. My guess is you don't fly. Or at least not E. of the Miss. into any populated areas. 2. You neglect the fact that small aircraft had nothing to do with the "thousands of Americans being killed. NOTHING! 3. Did we ban Ford Van rental trucks after Okalahoma City bombing? Of course not! 4. You call it "a little inconvenience". That it ain't. It's a major pain in the neck! It is gettin' worse, not less. We are accelerating down a rocky precipice to no added protection to Americans. You are too blindly complacent. 5. You're not the only one whose easily led around by an overly officious government beauracracy. And you're paying for it too. Dearly. Steve C. ======================================================== How quickly we forget! It's only been a year and a half since 9/11 and already we want things back the way they used to be? Not me! I for one am confident that after the initial "over reaction" to thousands of Americans being killed by airplanes that things will eventually get back to a more secure "normal" for us all. I'm willing to put up with a little inconvenience until then. Cheers, Jon Hults direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org>
Subject: Re: TFR's
Date: Jun 28, 2003
It is surprising the cowardly attitude that the DC area has. They have opened up the New York area but the Government is still hunkered down in the halls of government while the rest of us have to pay these cowards. Cy Galley - MVR-AACA www.aaca.org/mvr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" <av8or(at)infionline.net> Subject: RE: Lancair-List: TFR's > > Jon, > > If someone disagrees with the way the yankee guvment is handling GA means we > are anti guvment then there are a lot of folks here id the DC area that are > against the folks that give them a pay check. > > Ken > av8or(at)infionline.net > kring(at)mountainviewdogs.com > kring(at)irisweb.net > > www.irisweb.net > www.mountainviewdogs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan & > Kathryn Hults > To: lancair-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Lancair-List: TFR's > > > > > Steve, > 1. I've been flying for 28 years...23 years professionally. I fly all > over the U.S. and the World. > 2. No, small aircraft weren't used in the attacks.....LAST time! > 3. We haven't banned general aviation aircraft...just taken safeguards. > 4. Many of the TFR's are at and around sites that have been specifically > threatened. > 5. You're anti-government stripes are showing, Steve. I'm not a BIG > government fan, but I do expect them to protect us from our > enemies....foreign AND domestic! > > Face it, Steve, the world has changed and you may just have to live with > that pain in your neck! > > Cheers, > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen > Crow > To: lancair-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Lancair-List: TFR's > > > Jon: > 1. My guess is you don't fly. Or at least not E. of the Miss. into any > populated areas. > 2. You neglect the fact that small aircraft had nothing to do with the > "thousands of Americans being killed. NOTHING! > 3. Did we ban Ford Van rental trucks after Okalahoma City bombing? Of > course not! > 4. You call it "a little inconvenience". That it ain't. It's a major > pain in the neck! It is gettin' worse, not less. We are accelerating > down a rocky precipice to no added protection to Americans. You are too > blindly complacent. 5. You're not the only one whose easily led around > by an overly officious government beauracracy. And you're paying for it > too. Dearly. Steve C. > > ======================================================== > > > How quickly we forget! It's only been a year and a half since 9/11 and > already we want things back the way they used to be? Not me! I for one > am confident that after the initial "over reaction" to thousands of > Americans being killed by airplanes that things will eventually get back > to a more secure "normal" for us all. I'm willing to put up with a > little inconvenience until then. > > Cheers, > Jon Hults > > > direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 28, 2003
From: Stephen Crow <k4cpx(at)arrl.net>
Subject: Re: TFR's
I call them liberal giant-government control freaks. Just your typical politician. Steve C. Subject: Re: Lancair-List: TFR's It is surprising the cowardly attitude that the DC area has. They have opened up the New York area but the Government is still hunkered down in the halls of government while the rest of us have to pay these cowards. Cy Galley - MVR-AACA www.aaca.org/mvr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" <av8or(at)infionline.net> To: Subject: RE: Lancair-List: TFR's > > Jon, > > If someone disagrees with the way the yankee guvment is handling GA means we > are anti guvment then there are a lot of folks here id the DC area that are > against the folks that give them a pay check. > > Ken > av8or(at)infionline.net > kring(at)mountainviewdogs.com > kring(at)irisweb.net > > www.irisweb.net > www.mountainviewdogs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan & > Kathryn Hults > To: lancair-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Lancair-List: TFR's > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen > Crow > To: lancair-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Lancair-List: TFR's > > > > Jon: > 1. My guess is you don't fly. Or at least not E. of the Miss. into any > populated areas. > 2. You neglect the fact that small aircraft had nothing to do with the > "thousands of Americans being killed. NOTHING! > 3. Did we ban Ford Van rental trucks after Okalahoma City bombing? Of > course not! > 4. You call it "a little inconvenience". That it ain't. It's a major > pain in the neck! It is gettin' worse, not less. We are accelerating > down a rocky precipice to no added protection to Americans. You are too > blindly complacent. 5. You're not the only one whose easily led around > by an overly officious government beauracracy. And you're paying for it > too. Dearly. Steve C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Casey" <glcasey(at)adelphia.net>
Subject: security
Date: Jun 29, 2003
<> To roughly paraphrase: "Those who will sacrifice their freedoms for security deserve neither." Let's see, who said that? I believe it was Benjamin Franklin. Maybe we should remember that. Gary Casey ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 29, 2003
From: Stephen Crow <k4cpx(at)arrl.net>
Subject: TFR's
I agree with you Gary (& Ben).......only problem is, this quote may be a bit too literate for some of the big government "please-hold-my-hand" yahoos that hang around this internet. Let's at least try to get this massive beaurocratic mess off our flying backs. Steve C. =============================================== To roughly paraphrase: "Those who will sacrifice their freedoms for security deserve neither." Let's see, who said that? I believe it was Benjamin Franklin. Maybe we should remember that. Gary Casey ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 29, 2003
From: Stephen Crow <k4cpx(at)arrl.net>
Subject: TFR's
More stories of what a "minor" inconvenience from an insensative goat can mean to a flight operation. Steve C. ============================================================ Subject: Re: Fw: Commander-List: Fw: President Bush / Miami / Tampa --> Commander-List message posted by: Bill Hamilton All, I had a 4 hour delay the day the day Clinton had his hair cut on the end of 25R at KLAX, they should have cut his throat, I already had a 15 hour flight time sector ahead of me, we just made it with minutes to spare in our heavy crew duty limit of 20hrs, I was on the way to Melbourne YMML, direct from KLAX. What was so infuriating about the episode is that there are two perfectly good, VIP spots ( and more secure than the eastern fence at KLAX, right by a main road) on the western remote ramp, where AirForce 1 and similar always go. Cheers, Bill Hamilton. ============================================================= >--> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow > >I would think that a President who is a pilot would understand what >tremendous inconveniences he causes by allowing these ridiculous flight >restrictions. Just look at the list of airports, large and small that are >effected. He reminds me of the time Clinton allowed an entire airport to >be shutdown while he had a leisurely haircut in a parked A/F One. >This present President knows better and choses to ignore the difficulties >he causes. Yeah, I know "He doesn't set these rules". >BS He could stop this idiosy with three short words "Cut the Crap!". >The aviation world should be screaming to him personally. I don't think >he's totally deaf. >Steve C. > >==================================================================== >Subject: Commander-List: Fw: President Bush / Miami / Tampa > > >--> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow > >More damn restrictions! >Steve C. >==================================== > >----- Original Message ----- >From: JERRYROOKS(at)aol.com > >Subject: President Bush / Miami / Tampa > > >AOPA ePilot Special Airspace Bulletin June 27, 2003 > >A special notice to AOPA members in the Florida area > > >==> ATTENTION PILOTS <== > >FAA TO ACTIVATE 30-NM TFRs OVER MIAMI AND TAMPA >AOPA is sending this message to advise you that the FAA will establish >30-nm-radius temporary flight restrictions (TFRs) over Miami and >Tampa when President Bush travels to the cities on Monday, June 30. > >AOPA continues to lobby for more reasonably sized presidential >movement TFRs, absent a specific and credible threat. The association >maintains almost daily contact with the FAA, the Transportation >Security Administration (TSA), and officials responsible for the >president's security. > >The Miami TFR will be in effect from 11:20 a.m. to 2:30 p.m. local >on Monday and prohibits aircraft within a 10-mile radius of the DHP >vortac's 99-degree radial at 7.9 miles (near the Orange Bowl). The >Tampa TFR will be in effect from 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. local on Monday and >prohibits general aviation aircraft within a 10-mile radius of the PIE >vortac's 62-degree radial at 9 miles (essentially over Tampa >International Airport). > >Between 10 and 30 nm from the center of both TFRs and below 18,000 >feet, flight operations are only permitted for ingress or egress. >Aircraft must be on an active IFR or VFR flight plan with a discrete >transponder code assigned by air traffic control, and maintain >two-way radio communications. The notam says that air traffic >control may authorize transient operations. > >The impacted landing facilities for Miami are Miami Heliport (X48), >Miami SPB (X44), Miami International (MIA), Opa Locka (OPF), North >Perry (HWO), Kendall-Tamiami Executive (TMB), Opa Locka West (X46), >Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood International (FLL), Downtown Fort >Lauderdale Heliport (DT1), Motorsports Complex EMS Heliport (MC4), >Motorsports Complex VIP Heliport (VI2), Fort Lauderdale Executive >(FXE), Homestead General Aviation (X51), and Pompano Beach Airpark >(PMP). > >The impacted landing facilities for Tampa are Tampa International >(TPA), Peter O. Knight (TPF), St. Petersburg-Clearwater International >(PIE), Vandenberg (VDF), Clearwater Air Park (CLW), Albert Whitted >(SPG), Tampa North Aero Park (X39), Plant City Municipal (PCM), >Airport Manatee (48X), Pilot Country (X05), Zephyrhills Municipal >(ZPH), Lakeland Linder Regional (LAL), South Lakeland (X49), and >Hernando County (BKV). > >Pilots are strongly encouraged to check notams prior to all flights >as changes have occurred with many of these presidential TFRs. See >AOPA Online for the full text of the Miami notam >( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html#3/5150 ) or Tampa notam >( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html#3/5149 ). > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 29, 2003
Subject: Re: TFR's
From: John Schroeder <jschroeder(at)perigee.net>
OK. Here is a place to start. Just send a decent check ($250) to the AOPA PAC every year. For good measure, send one to the ASF. I've had a fair amount of experience in that business and this organization is one of the best - highly motivated, focused, well led and still connected strongly with its membership. And when they ask you to write or call members of the Congress or FAA, do it. But do it with a calm, reasoned and personal approach. Thrashing around with words on a forum like this doesn't do much to solve problems. Thanks for listening to my opinion. John Schroeder > > I agree with you Gary (& Ben).......only problem is, this quote may be a > bit too literate for some of the big government "please-hold-my-hand" > yahoos that hang around this internet. > Let's at least try to get this massive beaurocratic mess off our flying > backs. > Steve C. > =============================================== > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <phil(at)petrasoft.net>
Subject: Re: Movie
Date: Jul 08, 2003
Please see the attached zip file for details. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "ted scott" <teds532(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: model # 05-66223 flap actuator used on lancair ES, 360
Date: Jul 11, 2003
I am installing a flap actuator on my Kis Cruiser it is sold by aircraft spruce part # 05- 66223 and I need a wiring diagram for this unit and I would like to know how to put a brake system on this unit. I would appreciate any information .Ted Scott, Kis TR4 builder.email teds532(at)bellsouth.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Casey" <glcasey(at)adelphia.net>
Subject: ES flap actuator
Date: Jul 12, 2003
<> If by "brake" you mean a method of braking the motor to a stop after running, the normal method is to arrange the switching so that the motor is short-circuited when off. This will rapidly brake it to a stop. After power is removed the actuator will not back-drive so it needs no brake to hold it in position. On my ES I arranged a cam and micro-switch arrangement that works essentially like that in all the Cessnas so I have a pre-select actuation system. Gary Casey ES #157 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <Larry(at)BowenAero.com>
Subject: Re: Re: My details
Date: Aug 20, 2003
Please see the attached file for details. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <bill(at)waterbirds.com>
Subject: Re: Wicked screensaver
Date: Aug 21, 2003
Please see the attached file for details. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Date: Sep 15, 2003
Subject: New SPAM and Virus Filtering Appliance At Matronics...
Dear Listers, I will be installing a new SPAM and virus blocking appliance this evening or tomorrow. The installation will involve some changes in the Matronics DNS MX records, and will impact how incoming email is handled. While I expect these changes to be transparent to all of the List subscribers, things might go differently... ;-) The Lists get bombarded with tons of SPAM messages and viruses each day and fortunately my custom filters have been extremely effective at filtering most of this from redistribution. Its time to move to the next level of technology, however, and this SPAM and Virus filtering appliance seems like an excellent solution. I will post a follow up message later in the week when things have stabilized and I have some filter statistics to share. Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin. -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Romeo, Frank A" <Frank.Romeo(at)constellation.com>
Subject: Lancair Factor Builder-Assist course
Date: Sep 17, 2003
Hello Lancair Enthusiasts - I took the plunge and put down my deposit on a Legacy kit during my visit to Oshkosh this summer, and I'm scheduled to go do the factory assist course (for 2 wks) in a few months. I was wondering if I could tap into the experience on this list to request your help on recommendations for things that I should get ahead of time and take with me. Any "lessons learned" to share from those of you that have been through it? Any "pre-packaged" groupings you bought from their list that you later regretted? I'm looking fwd to the project. The other thing I observed - this is one of the quietest groups I've ever seen. Is anybody else out there? Frank Romeo Lancair Legacy 2000 kit builder (soon) Mooney 201 pilot (now) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chat Daniel" <cdaniel(at)fnbsouth.com>
Subject: Lancair Factor Builder-Assist course
Date: Sep 17, 2003
Frank, I am also going to Redmond soon...October 6th and I'm building an ES. This will be the third plane I have built. First a Kitfox, then an RV-8 which I am flying now. I'm really tired of building planes so I'm getting all the fast build stuff they offer...kit, firewall, engine and panel. Since I've never dealt with Lancair before, I don't have any advice about what they offer or you should do...but I might be able to help you with general building questions. I was on the RV list for about 3 years and we got 10 to 20 posts a day. I have been on this list for about 2 months and I think you are the second post. Chat Daniel N678RV N891AC (reserved) -----Original Message----- From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Romeo, Frank A Subject: Lancair-List: Lancair Factor Builder-Assist course --> Hello Lancair Enthusiasts - I took the plunge and put down my deposit on a Legacy kit during my visit to Oshkosh this summer, and I'm scheduled to go do the factory assist course (for 2 wks) in a few months. I was wondering if I could tap into the experience on this list to request your help on recommendations for things that I should get ahead of time and take with me. Any "lessons learned" to share from those of you that have been through it? Any "pre-packaged" groupings you bought from their list that you later regretted? I'm looking fwd to the project. The other thing I observed - this is one of the quietest groups I've ever seen. Is anybody else out there? Frank Romeo Lancair Legacy 2000 kit builder (soon) Mooney 201 pilot (now) direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Molny" <djmolny(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Lancair Factor Builder-Assist course
Date: Sep 17, 2003
Guys - The Lancair Mailing List ("LML") is much more active. Go to: http://www.lancaironline.net/ Regards, DJ Molny djmolny(at)yahoo.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chat Daniel Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Lancair Factor Builder-Assist course Frank, I am also going to Redmond soon...October 6th and I'm building an ES. This will be the third plane I have built. First a Kitfox, then an RV-8 which I am flying now. I'm really tired of building planes so I'm getting all the fast build stuff they offer...kit, firewall, engine and panel. Since I've never dealt with Lancair before, I don't have any advice about what they offer or you should do...but I might be able to help you with general building questions. I was on the RV list for about 3 years and we got 10 to 20 posts a day. I have been on this list for about 2 months and I think you are the second post. Chat Daniel N678RV N891AC (reserved) -----Original Message----- From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Romeo, Frank A Subject: Lancair-List: Lancair Factor Builder-Assist course --> Hello Lancair Enthusiasts - I took the plunge and put down my deposit on a Legacy kit during my visit to Oshkosh this summer, and I'm scheduled to go do the factory assist course (for 2 wks) in a few months. I was wondering if I could tap into the experience on this list to request your help on recommendations for things that I should get ahead of time and take with me. Any "lessons learned" to share from those of you that have been through it? Any "pre-packaged" groupings you bought from their list that you later regretted? I'm looking fwd to the project. The other thing I observed - this is one of the quietest groups I've ever seen. Is anybody else out there? Frank Romeo Lancair Legacy 2000 kit builder (soon) Mooney 201 pilot (now) direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. advertising on the Matronics Forums. Share: Share photos & files with other List members. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ron Raby" <ronr(at)advanceddesign.com>
Subject: Re: Lancair Factor Builder-Assist course
Date: Sep 17, 2003
Frank Any composite experience that you can get before you go would be helpful. I went to a sportair weekend seminar. I went to a one week builders assist on my plane a lancair ES. At that time there was a legacy builders assist going on. They really get a lot done and that was two years ago. One thing that I did that really helped allot was I hired a professional builder to come out for a week. He showed me many composite techniques that really helped through the project. I would also recommend joining the aeroelectric list. Good luck Ron Raby Lancair ES ----- Original Message ----- From: "Romeo, Frank A" <Frank.Romeo(at)constellation.com> Subject: Lancair-List: Lancair Factor Builder-Assist course > > Hello Lancair Enthusiasts - > I took the plunge and put down my deposit on a Legacy kit during my visit to > Oshkosh this summer, and I'm scheduled to go do the factory assist course > (for 2 wks) in a few months. I was wondering if I could tap into the > experience on this list to request your help on recommendations for things > that I should get ahead of time and take with me. Any "lessons learned" to > share from those of you that have been through it? Any "pre-packaged" > groupings you bought from their list that you later regretted? I'm looking > fwd to the project. > > The other thing I observed - this is one of the quietest groups I've ever > seen. Is anybody else out there? > Frank Romeo > Lancair Legacy 2000 kit builder (soon) > Mooney 201 pilot (now) > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ron Raby" <ronr(at)advanceddesign.com>
Subject: Re: Lancair Factor Builder-Assist course
Date: Sep 17, 2003
Chat There is an ES user's group that is quite active at: Lancair_ES(at)yahoogroups.com Ron Raby Lancair ES ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chat Daniel" <cdaniel(at)fnbsouth.com> Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Lancair Factor Builder-Assist course > > Frank, > > I am also going to Redmond soon...October 6th and I'm building an ES. > This will be the third plane I have built. First a Kitfox, then an RV-8 > which I am flying now. I'm really tired of building planes so I'm > getting all the fast build stuff they offer...kit, firewall, engine and > panel. Since I've never dealt with Lancair before, I don't have any > advice about what they offer or you should do...but I might be able to > help you with general building questions. > > I was on the RV list for about 3 years and we got 10 to 20 posts a day. > I have been on this list for about 2 months and I think you are the > second post. > > > Chat Daniel > N678RV > N891AC (reserved) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Romeo, > Frank A > To: lancair-list-digest(at)matronics.com > Subject: Lancair-List: Lancair Factor Builder-Assist course > > > --> > > Hello Lancair Enthusiasts - > I took the plunge and put down my deposit on a Legacy kit during my > visit to Oshkosh this summer, and I'm scheduled to go do the factory > assist course (for 2 wks) in a few months. I was wondering if I could > tap into the experience on this list to request your help on > recommendations for things that I should get ahead of time and take with > me. Any "lessons learned" to share from those of you that have been > through it? Any "pre-packaged" > groupings you bought from their list that you later regretted? I'm > looking > fwd to the project. > > The other thing I observed - this is one of the quietest groups I've > ever seen. Is anybody else out there? Frank Romeo Lancair Legacy 2000 > kit builder (soon) Mooney 201 pilot (now) > > > direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ron Raby" <ronr(at)advanceddesign.com>
Subject: Re: Lancair Factor Builder-Assist course
Date: Sep 17, 2003
I screwed up the link. here is the right one Ron Raby http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lancair_ES/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Raby" <ronr(at)advanceddesign.com> Subject: Re: Lancair-List: Lancair Factor Builder-Assist course > > Chat > > There is an ES user's group that is quite active at: > > Lancair_ES(at)yahoogroups.com > > Ron Raby > > Lancair ES > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chat Daniel" <cdaniel(at)fnbsouth.com> > To: > Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Lancair Factor Builder-Assist course > > > > > > Frank, > > > > I am also going to Redmond soon...October 6th and I'm building an ES. > > This will be the third plane I have built. First a Kitfox, then an RV-8 > > which I am flying now. I'm really tired of building planes so I'm > > getting all the fast build stuff they offer...kit, firewall, engine and > > panel. Since I've never dealt with Lancair before, I don't have any > > advice about what they offer or you should do...but I might be able to > > help you with general building questions. > > > > I was on the RV list for about 3 years and we got 10 to 20 posts a day. > > I have been on this list for about 2 months and I think you are the > > second post. > > > > > > Chat Daniel > > N678RV > > N891AC (reserved) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Romeo, > > Frank A > > To: lancair-list-digest(at)matronics.com > > Subject: Lancair-List: Lancair Factor Builder-Assist course > > > > > > --> > > > > Hello Lancair Enthusiasts - > > I took the plunge and put down my deposit on a Legacy kit during my > > visit to Oshkosh this summer, and I'm scheduled to go do the factory > > assist course (for 2 wks) in a few months. I was wondering if I could > > tap into the experience on this list to request your help on > > recommendations for things that I should get ahead of time and take with > > me. Any "lessons learned" to share from those of you that have been > > through it? Any "pre-packaged" > > groupings you bought from their list that you later regretted? I'm > > looking > > fwd to the project. > > > > The other thing I observed - this is one of the quietest groups I've > > ever seen. Is anybody else out there? Frank Romeo Lancair Legacy 2000 > > kit builder (soon) Mooney 201 pilot (now) > > > > > > direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Nvatp(at)cs.com
Date: Sep 18, 2003
Subject: Re: Lancair Factor Builder-Assist course
For Chat, If you're really tired of building airplanes I's recommend you buy something else! The Legacy takes a LOT more time and effort and money than Lancair tells you! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Erik Wahlstrom" <erikwal(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Lancair Factor Builder-Assist course
Date: Sep 17, 2003
You right, it's way to quiet here. After we talking about the beautiful Lancair's. So what are people building these days. I am seriously considering a 360. Are there any land mines I should look out for when buying a partially complete kit? Cheers Erik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Romeo, Frank A" <Frank.Romeo(at)constellation.com> Subject: Lancair-List: Lancair Factor Builder-Assist course > > Hello Lancair Enthusiasts - > I took the plunge and put down my deposit on a Legacy kit during my visit to > Oshkosh this summer, and I'm scheduled to go do the factory assist course > (for 2 wks) in a few months. I was wondering if I could tap into the > experience on this list to request your help on recommendations for things > that I should get ahead of time and take with me. Any "lessons learned" to > share from those of you that have been through it? Any "pre-packaged" > groupings you bought from their list that you later regretted? I'm looking > fwd to the project. > > The other thing I observed - this is one of the quietest groups I've ever > seen. Is anybody else out there? > Frank Romeo > Lancair Legacy 2000 kit builder (soon) > Mooney 201 pilot (now) > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RiteAngle3(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 19, 2003
Subject: % RiteAngle AOA owners
Hello Lancair aircraft builders. I know I have a few customers out there in your ranks. If you are building an aircraft or flying your aircraft with the RiteAngle AOA system I would appreciate personal photos of installation and comments, positive or negative sent to me off list. Please state model of aircraft, hours flown with RiteAngle AOA system and any suggestions. Those who have questions re AOA please also contact me off list. I don't want to use the list unless questions are asked that would apply to all. address for contact: riteangle3(at)aol.com There are several hundred RiteAngle systems out there and many owners have changed e-mail addresses. Thanks, Elbie Outstanding Customer Service is our Motto If you like it let others know If not let me know! EM aviation, LLC Elbie Mendenhall President 13411 NE Prairie Rd Brush Prairie, WA 98606 Phone & Fax 360-260-0772 www.RiteAngle.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 21, 2003
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [Please Read] SPAM Filter Could Be Causing Posting Problems
For Some Members...? Dear Listers, Matronics is now utilizing a SPAM filter appliance to filter out the excessive amounts of inappropriate email that bombards the Email List Forums each day. The filter is reporting that over 66% of the email messages sent to Matronics email destinations are of SPAM content and reviewing the logfiles, it would appear to be true. That is indeed great! While the Lists are enjoying the breath of fresh air afforded by the new appliance, I am suspecting that a few legitimate email List posts are being blocked as too, although I can't confirm this. It is difficult to churn through the logfiles looking though thousands of blocked email messages trying to determine if any legitimate List posts were blocked. If you suspect that your posts are accidently being blocked by the SPAM filter appliance, I have created a new Trouble Report web page that will allow you to report your problems directly to me without having to use email. If the SPAM filter is blocking your email address for some reason, then its likely that I wouldn't be able to receive your direct email regarding difficulty in posting. The web form bypasses the incoming email and directs your message directly to me. Please include as much information as possible regarding the problems you are having including any bounced email or email error messages that you may have received back in regard to your posts to the lists. The more information I have about the email you are sending and what the errors you are receiving, the better chance I'll have in hunting down the problem. The Trouble Report Website URL is: http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report/ I apologize for any inconvenience the SPAM filter may be causing you. I will work toward resolving your issues as quickly as possible. Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics EMail List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 31, 2003
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: All New Matronics Email List Online Chat!!!
Hi Listers! A number of Listers have been asking for some Matronics Email List online chat and NOW ITS HERE! Over the last couple of days I've set up a nifty web-based Chat site here on the Matronics systems. No special programs to download; all you need is a late model web browser like Internet Explorer or Netscape with a java plugin. I would recommend downloading the latest Java plugin if you experience any problems getting the page to come up. Here's a link to the Sun Java download website. http://java.com/en/index.jsp Look for the green box with the yellow arrow in the upper right corner. Before you bother, though, just try you browser because it'll probably just work. Each Email List on Matronics has its own "Room" and all rooms can easily be accessed from the same client. In the Email List URL Trailer at the bottom of each List message, you'll find the Link to this List's specific Chat Room. Just click on the Link, and then type in your name or email address in the User Name box. Try to use a name or email address that the other Listers know you by. You'll find me lurking around the various List chat rooms as "MattDralle". There's a couple of nifty features I'll explain right off. On the main Chat Window page after you login, you'll see a little icon with a Hammer and a Screwdriver. This is the Control Panel window. Once the Control Panel comes up, click on the "Settings" tab. Here you'll find, among other things, three check boxes to enable sound. Click all three and you'll be treated to a sound whenever someone enters or leaves the Room, or when someone sends a message. The other cool button is the one that has four little arrows pointing to each of the four corners of the button. This will rip the main Chat window from the web page and allow you to resize and move it anyway you'd like. Let's have some fun and get to know one another better using this awesome new Chat Room! To get started, just click the URL Link below for this List's specific Chat Room! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin PS - I'm working on a web link interface to the chat logfiles. Coming soon... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 01, 2003
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: 2003 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your Lists...
Dear Listers, During November of each year, I have a voluntary Email List Fund Raiser to support the continued operation, development, maintenance and upgrade of the Email Forums sponsored here. Your Contributions go directly into improvements in the systems that support the Lists and to pay for the Internet connectivity primarily dedicated to supporting the Lists. The traffic on the Lists continues to grow and the numbers are nothing short of impressive! Here are some statistics that show how much traffic the Lists generated this year alone: * 11/01/2002 - 10/31/2003 o Web server hits: 10,446,780 (870,565/mo) o Incoming Email Posts: 58,918 (4,909/mo) List-related upgrades this year have been plentiful, and List performance has substantially improved as a result. Upgrades and enhancements this year have included: * Internet Connection upgrade to a full, commercial-grade T1 Line! * New Web Server platform - Dual 3Ghz Xeon with 2Gb Ram and U320 SCSI! * Upgrade of Email Server platform - Dual 1.7 Ghz Xeon with 1Gb Ram! * All new SPAM Filtering Appliance - filters about 98% of the unwanted SPAM! * All new, web-base List Chat Room society! As you can well imagine, this year's upgrades translate into a fair amount of cash outlay on my part and this annual List Fund Raiser is the sole means by which I fund these upgrades. Unlike most of the other "list servers" on the Web these days, I have a strict *no-commercial-advertisement policy* on the Matronics Lists and associated List web sites. I was again approached by a number of vendors recently with advertising deals that have been very tempting. My commitment to providing a grass-roots, non-commercial environment prevailed, however! Commercialism on the Internet seems to be increasing exponentially every year, with more and more SPAM and pop up ads, not to mention the ever increasing Virus attacks. My goal with the Matronics List Service is to provide all members with a commercial-free, virus-free, and high-performance system with which the may share information, ideas, and camaraderie. The best news this year is that, with the gracious help of Andy Gold and The Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), I have been able to significantly expand the lineup of fantastic Gift offers to support the List Fund Raiser! In all, there are eight awesome free gifts this year ranging from List Archive CD's to Flight Computers with qualifying Contribution levels. Those great Jeppesen Flight Bags that were so popular last year are even back! A special thanks goes out to Andy Gold again this year for his very kind and generous support of the Lists. Thanks Andy, for these great incentives!! Over the next month I'll be posting a few reminder messages about the List Fund Raiser, and I ask for your patience and understanding during the process. Remember that the Lists are *completely* funded through the generous Contributions of its members. That's it! There's no support from a bloated advertising budget or deep pockets somewhere. Its all made possible through YOUR thoughtful and generous support! To make your List Contribution using a Visa or MasterCard, PalPal, or with a personal check, please go to the URL link below. Here you can find additional details on this year's great free Gifts as well as information on the various methods of payment. Contributions in the $20, $30, $50, $75, and $100 range are common. The Contribution web page is kind of long this year with the details of each of the gifts, so please scroll all the way down! SSL Secure Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contributions I would like to thank everyone who supports the Lists this year! Your Contributions truly make it all possible!! Thank you!! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 05, 2003
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List Fund Raiser - Wow, Have You Seen The Free Gifts?
Dear Listers, The List Fund Raiser is going well so far this year and I wanted to say "Thank You" to everyone that has made a Contribution already this year! Though the generous support of Andy Gold and the Builders Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), I'm able to offer some truly awesome gifts with qualifying Contributions this year. There's quite a line up and a rather diverse set of options - certainly something for every taste and personality. Here's a list of this year's fine options: * List Archive CD * Aircraft Builder's Log * Pilot Flashlight System * Pro Pilot Logbook * FAR/AIM on CD * Jeppesen Flight Bag * Aviation History Book * Techstar Flight Computer Please support your Email List Community AND pick up a really slick Gift at the same time! The SSL Secure Contribution web site can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/contributions Once again, I would like to thank everyone that has so generously supported the continued operation and upgrade of the Lists Services here on the Matronics servers!! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 06, 2003
Subject: Instruments for Sale
beech-list(at)matronics.com, cessna-list(at)matronics.com, homebuilt-list(at)matronics.com, kr-list(at)matronics.com, piper-list(at)matronics.com, warbird-list(at)matronics.com I have the following for sale: RC Allen Electric Attitude Indicator, 14V, 8 degree tilt, 75hrs RC Allen Electric Directional Gyro, 14V, 150 hrs Both instruments are still in my RV-8A panel and flying. Have been flying the instruments 1 year. Working perfectly. Each list for $1895. Make offer direct to: lenleg(at)aol.com Len Leggette, RV-8A Greensboro, NC N910LL ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 10, 2003
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: WLAS...
Dear Listers, Below are some of the nice things people have been saying about the Lists in that little message box on the Contribution form! Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far and for all the great feedback! Please know that I really appreciate the comments and support!! If you haven't yet shown your support for these Lists, won't you take a moment and make your Contribution today? The Matronics Lists are always Commercial-Free, SPAM-Free, Virus-Free, and High-performance and its your direct support through this yearly Fund Raiser that enables all of these valuable services you've come to expect. Thank you for your Contribution!! SSL Secure Web Site - http://www.matronics.com/contribution Matt Dralle EMail List Administrator ================================================================ =================== What Listers Are Saying ==================== ================================================================ You provide a service to us kit builders that cannot be measured. -Clifford M. ...great service to the aviation community. -Curt R. Thanks for being there - your List has really been of help. -Thomas R. Your lists have been most helpful to my RV-9A project. -Dean V. ...has been a great help to me. -Jim N. ..."must-have" for RV builders and pilots. -Douglas W. I find something every day on the List that helps me in my project. -Ron P. ...very valuable! -Patrick L. Don't know that I could have persevered and succeeded without the List. -Curt R. ...service continues to be awesome and is one of the most helpful resources for homebuilding that I have ever found. -Jim H. The information and hours of entertainment many of us derive from the Lists is priceless. -Chris R. I learn a lot about my [aircraft] through the Lists... - Lee P. Great source of education and entertainment. Love it!!! -Lar B. Great List & very well organized. -Peter D. I couldn't build my [airplane] without this List. -William G. The List is an important part of my daily routine. -Roger H. ...incredible resource. -Ron P. Excellent facility. -David M. ...unmatched service to all builders and flyers. -Ralph C. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 14, 2003
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year?
Dear Listers, I was thinking that perhaps I should explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity to express why I think the List Services here provide a far better experience than the commercial equivalents. I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell Toner Cartridge Refills or other garbage nobody wants or needs. From the comments I've received over the years regarding the Lists, the great majority of the members really appreciate the non-commercialism of my List systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once a year to encourage members to support the Lists. I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer a great many benefits over the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first feature I believe to be particularly significant is that you *cannot* receive a computer v*rus from any of my Lists directly. I've been on a few other List servers and have been unfortunate enough to download infected files people have innocently or not-so-innocently included with their posts. This just can't happen with my Lists; each incoming message is filtered and attachments stripped off prior to posting. I provide a Photo and File Share feature that allows members to share files and bitmaps with other members and everyone can be assured that these files will be prescanned for any sort of v*rus before they are posted. Safe and simple. Also, with this photo and file sharing technique, the Archives don't get loaded up with a huge amounts of bitmap "data" that slows the Archive Search times. Another feature of this system is the extensive List Archives that are available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives go all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the super fast Search Engine, the huge size of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly finding the data you're looking for. Another feature of the Archives, in my opinion, is that they have been primarily stripped of all the useless email header data and all the other header garbage that seems to build up in a typical email thread. I have received an extremely positive response from Listers regarding the List Browse feature and the consensus is that the format and ease of use is outstanding. Members report that having the previous 7 days worth of messages on line for easy browsing and sorting is hugely beneficial. And again, as with the real time distribution of List email, the messages are stripped of all the unnecessary email headers and potentially dangerous v*ruses. I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain since about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys who I knew and who where also building RVs. It has grown into over 40 different aviation-related Email Lists and an associated web site that receives over 10,000,000 hits each year!! Additionally, the List email system forwards well over 90,000,000 (yes, that 90 MILLION) email messages to subscribers each year! With all the dot.bombs these days, I think there's a lot of value in supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and improving a high quality service at a price that's nearly free. I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows in the quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email Message, Search the Archives, or use the List Browser. The Lists will be here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a while for free, that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate, and receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual List Fund Raiser! ----------------------------------------------- The SSL Secure Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution ----------------------------------------------- Thank you, Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 18, 2003
From: Rob Logan <Rob(at)logan.com>
Subject: [Fwd: unstarted 2 seat kit wanted]
|July 24, 2002) at 11/18/2003 02:18:23 PM, Serialize by Router on mtasmtp1-clev/P/SERVER/PHILIPS-CLE(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 11/18/2003 02:18:32 PM, Serialize complete at 11/18/2003 02:18:32 PM ok, I know you are working on your kit, but do you know of any unloved, unstarted 2 seat lancair kits out there, maybe owned by someone in your EAA chapter? I sure would like one... Rob Logan Rob(at)Logan.com W 440-483-4373 H 440-449-9344 -- Utopian Maturity: Eternity, Liberty, Equality now Fraternity & Altruism. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2003
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What Listers Are Saying III
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Date: Nov 28, 2003
From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 25% COST SAVINGS - MIL-T-4345B Electronic Lacing Cord
glasair-list(at)matronics.com, kolb-list(at)matronics.com, zenith-list(at)matronics.com, europa-list(at)matronics.com, ez-list(at)matronics.com I have some "Brand New" (in original packaging) MIL-T-43435B Lacing Cord, Type 2 (polyester / Hi Temp), Finish C (synthetic Rubber or Elastomer), Size 3 (50 Lb min strength, 0.085" wide X 0.014" thick). This Cord is used extensively by Avionic Shops to tie individual electrical wires into bundles for their avionic equipment. * Least expensive way to make Wire Bundles. * Will not cut into wires like Dental Floss used by some Builders, as it is "flat". * Higher Temp Rating (-73 Deg C to 177 Deg C) than Type 1 (-55 Deg C to 121 Deg C) that is sold by Aircraft Spruce and Chief Aircraft for $21 per Spool + Shipping Cost * Each Spool contains 500 yards of BLUE Cord. (Share with other Builders) * Excellent "KNOT" retention. * See: www.versatileindustrial.com/gudebrod.html for additional information. * Selling for $16 per Spool (Blue color) - includes shipping in the US. SUPPLIES LIMITED If interested, E-mail me off-line at- gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com __________________________________ Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "N320GG" <n320g(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: A Special Thank You - List of Contributors
Date: Dec 04, 2003
Matt, I have been signed up for this list for over a year, the only mail I get ( about 5 ) is from you about rules and these about contributions. Gary Melton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com> Subject: Lancair-List: A Special Thank You - List of Contributors ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 04, 2003
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: How about some Lancair Content!
Post some question and let's get the discussions going. What kind of Lancairs do List members have? I'm currently building a Van's RV-4 but have considered the Lancair many times. Matt At 07:45 AM 12/4/2003 Thursday, you wrote: > >Matt, I have been signed up for this list for over a year, the only mail I >get ( about 5 ) is from you about rules and these about contributions. > >Gary Melton > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com> >To: >Subject: Lancair-List: A Special Thank You - List of Contributors Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Erdmann's" <erdmannb(at)execpc.com>
Subject: seat frames
Date: Dec 05, 2003
I'm hoping someone can help in the search for seat frames for the Lancair Super ES. Has anyone modified other seat framework to make them more functional (forward and reclining). The supplied seat frame is very limiting. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Abby Flightline Interiors P.S. Are there any completed ES's in the Wisconsin or Northern Illinois area? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Casey" <glcasey(at)adelphia.net>
Subject: Lancair content!
Date: Dec 05, 2003
<> Good idea. I am building an ES and I am planning a Lycoming parallel-valve IO-540. I am in the process of designing and building an engine mount that will allow any 540 to be bolted to the firewall. Is there a market for such a thing? How many others out there would like to have a Lycoming engine? Gary Casey ________________________________________________________________________________
From: ROGG(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 05, 2003
Subject: Re: Lancair content!
lycon in visalia has a sump that fits alancair 4 continental 550 mount for a lycoming 540 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Casey" <glcasey(at)adelphia.net>
Subject: Lycomings and seats
Date: Dec 06, 2003
<> But as far as I know it isn't available for sale - at least not 6 months ago. I am planning to put together an engine mount that would allow any 540 to be mounted without modification. <> My sentiment exactly. My wife has instructed me to make the seats recline and I intend to obey. The standard seats are so heavy and "kludgy" (a standard engineering expression) they insult my sensibility. Someone once said a Honda seat, including the electric actuators, makes a good basis for a seat ?? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Stroud" <davestroud(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: 310 hp Lyc for sale
Date: Jan 21, 2004
Subject: 310 hp Lyc for sale Good morning lads. Sorry for this one time intrusion to the list. I have a friend with two, Lycoming 310 hp TIO540A2C engines for sale. 700 SMOH, complete firewall forward inlcuding mount and controls, less props as removed. Props available separately. Offers are requested from interested parties..failing that, they'll go to ebay. Please email me privately if interested. I think it will be a bargain. Thanks. Dave Stroud ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nicholas Paczkowski" <npaczkowski(at)telus.net>
Subject: Re: 310 hp Lyc for sale
Date: Jan 22, 2004
Hello Dave Thank you for the e-mail. I am building a LIV and looking for an engine. Do you have any further information on the engines - history - logs - current condition? Thanks Nick Paczkowski -----Original Message----- From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Stroud Subject: Lancair-List: Re: 310 hp Lyc for sale Subject: 310 hp Lyc for sale Good morning lads. Sorry for this one time intrusion to the list. I have a friend with two, Lycoming 310 hp TIO540A2C engines for sale. 700 SMOH, complete firewall forward inlcuding mount and controls, less props as removed. Props available separately. Offers are requested from interested parties..failing that, they'll go to ebay. Please email me privately if interested. I think it will be a bargain. Thanks. Dave Stroud ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wayne Cahoon @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne(at)engravers.net>
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Subject: Fuel Cap Engraving, Labeling, Indentifying
Date: Jan 23, 2004
Have your Fuel Caps engraved, it's permanent and easy to read. Aircraft Engravers has been engraving fuel caps for over 14 years. You can see our web page at http://engravers.net/aircraft/fuel_caps.htm Other types of engraving jobs can be viewed at http://engravers.net/main/ac_products.htm There are a few sets of loaner fuel caps for the more common styles if your tanks are wet. FREE shipping by USPS Priority mail for all fuel cap engraving orders in the month of February. Wayne Cahoon Aircraft Engravers (860) 653-2780 (860) 653-7324 Fax http://engravers.net/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cory Emberson" <bootless(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Instrument Panels)
Date: Feb 29, 2004
Hello! I am writing an article for Kitplanes magazines that will feature builders who have put interesting panels in their planes. I've received the Digest version of the Lancair list for about a year, but have never posted before. My deadline is rather short, so if you could email me as soon as possible, hopefully by Monday, that will give me enough time to put it together. Here are some of the criteria I'm looking for: Instrument Panels that are (one or any combination): 1. creative 2. inexpensive 3. nontraditional configuration 4. nontraditional equipment 5. easier to use 6. enhanced safety (maybe the configuration made a significant difference in troubleshooting/recognizing a problem, or in putting the plane down safely because of its ease of use) 7. generally cool and different 8. anything else distinctive about it. Other things to keep in mind: 1. How you came to design your panel (How you got your idea) 2. The reasons why you did it as you did 3. What benefits you had in mind 4. Any unexpected benefits (and/or pitfalls) there were 5. What you learned 6. How many hours you've flown with it (if completed) 7. How it's performed 8. The equipment and tools you used 9. How much time it took to build and install 10. Whether it took any professional or amateur assistance 11. The cost of building it. Here are the photo requirements for Kitplanes: Photos must be 300 dpi at a size large enough to use in the magazine, which is usually at least 3 x 3 inches. If an image is 300 dpi at 1 x 1 inch, it won't be big enough to do any good. By the way, I will be compiling another roundup in early March for distinctive (etc.) interiors and/or exteriors, so if you would like to contact me about that one, I'd love to hear from you! Thanks so much - I really appreciate your help! best regards, Cory Emberson Hayward, CA [KHWD] 510.599.4409 cory(at)lightspeededit.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Date: Mar 03, 2004
DNA: not not archive
Subject: [PLEASE READ] Virus Laden Spam Purports To Be From Matronics...
Dear Listers, First let me say that I normally don't condone the sharing of warnings about Internet viruses on the Matronics Email Lists. I don't want to start a storm of discussion regarding computer viruses on the Lists, so please just note the information below and refrain from commenting to the List. The circumstances I describe below are disturbing enough that I felt an explanation is necessary. That being said... There is a new email-bourne virus running rampant on the Internet that is cleverly disguising itself as legitimate email warning of such things as: "your email account is disabled because of unauthorized access" "Some of our clients complained about the spam (negative e-mail content) outgoing from your e-mail account" "Probably, you have been infected by a proxy-relay trojan server. In order to keep your computer safe, follow the instructions." "Our main mailing server will be temporary unavailable for next two days, to continue receiving mail in these days you have to configure our free auto-forwarding service." All of these messages include an attachment that you are instructed to click upon to "Get more information", "clean the virus from your system", or "check your system for infections". These enclosures all contain a virus that will infect your system and propagate even more copies of the original message. The disturbing part of these messages is that they appear to be coming from very legitimate addresses and have very legitimate, convincing dialog. For example, I have received a number of them today that appear to be from "support(at)matronics.com", "management(at)matronics.com", "administration(at)matronics.com", and "staff(at)matronics.com". The text of the messages seems believable enough, and given the forged source address, seem even more legitimate. Please be assured that no one at Matronics.com will be sending you these kinds of messages. If you receive one, it is a spam/virus that has forged headers and was sent to you from someone other than Matronics. Delete the message and the attachment promptly. Invest in a copy of Norton Antivirus and keep the definitions up dated on a daily basis. Again, I want to stress that I *DO NOT* want a big discussion of viruses on the Matronics Email Lists. Please do not reply to this email with any comments. You may write to me directly at dralle(at)matronics.com if you wish, but do not include the List. Since many of these appear to come from matronics.com, I wanted to assure everyone that Matronics wasn't the real source of these messages. Let's be careful out there and keep those virus definitions up to date! Today alone, the Matronics spam filter and virus blocking appliance has filtered out 11,550 spam messages and 375 viruses! That's just in an 18 hour period! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cory Emberson" <bootless(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Interiors/Exteriors)
Date: Mar 13, 2004
Hello Lancair builders and pilots! First, thank you for your wonderful response to my request for examples of terrific panels - I expect that a Lancair will be included in the June 2004 issue. I am writing another article for Kitplanes magazine that will feature builders who have distinctive interiors and/or exteriors. My deadline is rather short, so if you could email me as soon as possible, hopefully by Tuesday, that will give me enough time to put it together. Here are some of the criteria I'm looking for: Interiors that are (one or any combination): 1. creative 2. inexpensive 3. very comfortable 4. lightweight 5. generally cool and different 6. distinctive in some way. Exteriors that are: 1.. stunningly attractive 2.. original design 3.. historically accurate 4.. distinctive in some way Other things to keep in mind: 1. How you came to design your interior/exterior (How you got your idea) 2. The reasons why you did it as you did 3. What benefits you had in mind 4. Any unexpected benefits (and/or pitfalls) there were 5. What you learned 6. How many hours you've flown with it (if completed) 7. How much of the work did you do yourself? 8. Did you have any professional assistance? How much? 9. The equipment and tools you used 10. How much time it took to build and install 11. The cost of building it. 12. Would you do it again the same way? Why? Here are the photo requirements for Kitplanes: Photos must be 300 dpi at a size large enough to use in the magazine, which is usually at least 3 x 3 inches. If an image is 300 dpi at 1 x 1 inch, it won't be big enough to do any good. Hard copy photos are good, too. Thanks so much - I really appreciate your help! best regards, Cory Emberson Hayward, CA [KHWD] 510.599.4409 cory(at)lightspeededit.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Stroud" <davestroud(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: 310 hp Lyc for sale
Date: Mar 19, 2004
Giday, Nick . These engines are out of a Navajo. 727 hrs and 471 hours..all logs complete and correct. The engines are absolutely complete firewall forward including all controls, accessories and the mounts. $50K US for the pair or make an offer on one. Thanks..Dave Stroud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Paczkowski" <npaczkowski(at)telus.net> Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Re: 310 hp Lyc for sale > > Hello Dave > > Thank you for the e-mail. I am building a LIV and looking for an engine. > > Do you have any further information on the engines - history - logs - > current condition? Thanks > > Nick Paczkowski > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Stroud > To: glasair-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Lancair-List: Re: 310 hp Lyc for sale > > > > Subject: 310 hp Lyc for sale > > > Good morning lads. Sorry for this one time intrusion to the list. I have a > friend with two, Lycoming 310 hp > TIO540A2C engines for sale. 700 SMOH, complete firewall forward inlcuding > mount and controls, less props > as removed. Props available separately. Offers are requested from > interested parties..failing that, they'll go to ebay. > Please email me privately if interested. I think it will be a bargain. > Thanks. > > Dave Stroud > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cory Emberson" <bootless(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Santa Maria CA Fly-in (April 30-May 2)
Date: Mar 27, 2004
Hello everyone! With Matt Dralle's blessing (thank you, Matt!), I'm pleased to post this announcement for a terrific aviation fly-in weekend. SMXgig (in Santa Maria, CA) has become the year's largest face-to-face get-together of electronically networked aviators. We hope you'll plan to attend because we expect this year's gig to be the best ever. People come from all over the country (and sometimes overseas) to attend, and most of the sessions qualify for FAA Wings cards. The dates are 4/30-5/2/04 (Friday-Sunday) - it's a lot of fun, and a great chance for pilots from all over to mingle and share aviation stories, ideas, etc. The announcement below contains most of the crucial information, and you can get the rest from the website (www.smxgig.org). If you have any questions at all, just let me know, and thanks! ~~Cory Emberson KHWD >>> NOTICE TO AIRMEN! <<< Announcing the Sixteenth Annual SMXgig to be held on April 30 - May 2, 2004 at the Radisson on the Santa Maria (CA) Airport (aka SMX) www.smxgig.org SMXgig will be April 30 - May 2, 2004, at the Santa Maria Radisson. This year, our featured speaker after Friday night's dinner will be Rod Machado! "MACH 2 WITH MACHADO" is the byline Rod Machado has earned for his rapid fire delivery at his lively safety seminars and keynote speeches. His programs are information-packed, energetic, and humorous. He has spoken in all fifty of the United States and in Europe sharing his fresh approach to aviation education. If you can make it, please do. It's going to be pretty special. More information and the announcement/ registration info is available at www.smxgig.org You may also contact me by email at: cory(at)smxgig.org. All technical sessions will be held in the Enterprise Ballroom at the SMX Radisson. Each session will last about an hour. We schedule four tech sessions on Saturday morning, and four on Sunday morning. Most of the speakers are set (I'm still firming up a couple of slots - I'm working on a session about Experimentals): MIKE BUSCH - The Art and Science of Troubleshooting Your A frequently, that person is you. That's particularly true of problems that occur only in-flight and/or are intermittent. This session offers methodology for troubleshooting aimed at aircraft owners who aren't A&Ps. ED WILLIAMS - GPS - How It Works, and How to Work It Ed is a nuclear physicist working at Lawrence Livermore Labs. Ed does a remarkable job of making physics phun! BRENT BLUE, M.D. - Pilot Medicals: How to Avoid Problems with the FAA Brent is an AME Advocate, who specializes in helping the tough cases renew their medicals. He's a former member of EAA's medical advisory committee. DOUG RITTER - Equipping Yourself To Survive - Personal Survival Gear for Pilots Doug is a survival evangelist, personally driven to help pilots live through whatever comes next. www.equipped.org PAUL MILLNER - The Future of Avgas Paul works with ChevronTexaco, and is right in the middle of the industry developments regarding our fuel of choice. MARY DUFFY & UWE LEMKE - Flying in Europe Mary and Uwe are a Scot and a German who live in the San Francisco Bay Area, but return "home" often. As always, each qualifying session will get you a WINGS Safety Session card. Our Saturday evening event should be a delicious one! At 5:45 p.m., the BFUB (Big Fat Ugly Bus) will arrive at the Santa Maria Radisson to bring us to the Far Western Tavern for dinner in beautiful Guadalupe (www.farwesterntavern.com). DOLLARS AND CENTS Just as in previous years, there will be one flat all-encompassing "gig" fee that covers all events that involve significant out-of-pocket costs for the organizers. The fee is $160 per person, and will cover: - Friday afternoon welcome party - Friday evening dinner banquet - Saturday and Sunday tech sessions - Saturday afternoon lunch - Saturday evening dinner at the Far Western Tavern in Guadalupe - Meeting rooms and coffee service at the Santa Maria Radisson - Transportation to (and from) the Far Western Tavern Lodging at the SMX Radisson will cost $89.00/night for either a single or double room, which is far below the regular hotel room rate. Be sure you check in as a SMXgig attendee and get the special rate. We have our definitive preference listed with the hotel for rampside rooms - early registration can only help, but of course, the rampside rooms are subject to availability depending on how many existing guests are in those rooms. You do not need to register with the hotel - just give me your preferences, and I will take care of the reservations. Important: This year, our final rooming lists are due to the hotel on April 11, 2004 (the even of Sun 'n Fun), which will guarantee space and the group rate. The hotel will accept additional room reservations after that, on a space- and rate-available basis. They will try their best to accommodate us after that date, but the hotel is already sold out for the weekend. The website (www.smxgig.org) has detailed information about the schedule, meals, hotel accommodations, and online registration. If you'd like your own announcement/registration emailed to you, or have any other questions, just let me know. (cory(at)smxgig.org or bootless(at)earthlink.net ). Thanks, and see you there! best, Cory Emberson ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RiteAngle3(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 21, 2004
Subject: Re: Lancairs with RiteAngle installed
Hi Lancair builders installing or flying the RiteAngle AOA system. Are you proud of your aircraft? I have had quite a few individual messages returned due to e-mail address changes and felt this was one way to reach the largest group of builders/flyers. I am in the process of updating the photos of the RiteAngle AOA system installed on aircraft on our website, Instructional CD and my photo book I'll have on display at AirVenture. I appreciate all photos, however those which show the display, Vane and / or a unique way of solving any problem related to RiteAngle AOA system would be appreciated along with a full aircraft photo. E-mailing these is fine, please give S/N of RiteAngle and approximate hours flown if you are completed building and "in the air." To those who have already replied, thanks! Please contact off list. Fly the Safe Angle with the RiteAngle Elbie EM Aviation, LLC www.riteangle.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fabian Lefler" <fablef(at)bellsouth.net>
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Subject: Monroy ADT-300 Traffic Detector
Date: May 09, 2004
For the last couple of weeks, I have had a number of calls from builders inquiring about the arrival of additional ADT-300 units. We sold out our first batch fairly quickly, and have received a second batch. However, it appears that the manufacturer can't seem to catch with the demand fast enough, so we don't know how long they will be around for those that interested. If you are interested in finding out about the product, you can see can click here http://www.affordablepanels.com/monroy300.htm Regards, Fabian Lefler www.affordablepanels.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "N320GG" <n320g(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Lancair 235/320 for sale
Date: Jun 02, 2004
Someone posted looking for a Lancair 235 a while back. Yesterday I flew and down to Taft (o17), near Bakersfield and visited with Everett Williams, we had a nice visit. Everett has been flying since 1943, has built 4 other homebuilts besides Lancair N207EW. He has also rebuilt a half dozen factory aircraft. The airplane appeared to be well built and straight, Everett is quick to point out all flaws and shortcomings. He seems to be one of those guys who like to under-state and over-deliver. I have pictures and will share what little I know with anyone interested. Just email me direct at n320g(at)hotmail.com. Here are the particulars of Everett's airplane: Price slashed to $48,275, empty weight is 913 # gross weight is 1600 lbs. 687 lbs. useful. the plane holds 48 gal. of fuel. & has a range of approx. 1000 miles. radio gear consists of a terra 760 try nav.C transponder is a terra 250 with mode C altitude reporting fly buddy, transmit, button on stick. voice activated intercom. the instruments are airspeed in both knots & m.p.h .altimeter , artificial horizon , turn & bank vertical speed directional gyro vertical card compass.& vac gauge. the engine is a Lycoming 0320 E2D Cruise speed at 75% power is 180 MPH. at 8 gal. per hr. Landing speed at approx 70 MPH. It will burn Mogas. has 330 hrs since new . the air frame has 211 hours on it . EXTRAS are 1/4 thick smoke tint canopy sub dorsal fin extra tall rudder with 3 hinges instead of two. horizontal stab has extra spar & ribs vertical stab has extra ribs. it has nav. lights that incorporate position lights tail & strobe lights the landing lights are on the retractable gear . the plane is a easy 8 my reason for selling is my age. any further questions. contact me at 661-763-1258 regards, Everett Williams. Gary Melton N320GG 400 hours ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 02, 2004
From: Bill VonDane <bill(at)vondane.com>
Subject: Re: Lancair 235/320 for sale
got any photos? -Bill bill(at)vondane.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "N320GG" <n320g(at)hotmail.com> Subject: Lancair-List: Lancair 235/320 for sale Someone posted looking for a Lancair 235 a while back. Yesterday I flew and down to Taft (o17), near Bakersfield and visited with Everett Williams, we had a nice visit. Everett has been flying since 1943, has built 4 other homebuilts besides Lancair N207EW. He has also rebuilt a half dozen factory aircraft. The airplane appeared to be well built and straight, Everett is quick to point out all flaws and shortcomings. He seems to be one of those guys who like to under-state and over-deliver. I have pictures and will share what little I know with anyone interested. Just email me direct at n320g(at)hotmail.com. Here are the particulars of Everett's airplane: Price slashed to $48,275, empty weight is 913 # gross weight is 1600 lbs. 687 lbs. useful. the plane holds 48 gal. of fuel. & has a range of approx. 1000 miles. radio gear consists of a terra 760 try nav.C transponder is a terra 250 with mode C altitude reporting fly buddy, transmit, button on stick. voice activated intercom. the instruments are airspeed in both knots & m.p.h .altimeter , artificial horizon , turn & bank vertical speed directional gyro vertical card compass.& vac gauge. the engine is a Lycoming 0320 E2D Cruise speed at 75% power is 180 MPH. at 8 gal. per hr. Landing speed at approx 70 MPH. It will burn Mogas. has 330 hrs since new . the air frame has 211 hours on it . EXTRAS are 1/4 thick smoke tint canopy sub dorsal fin extra tall rudder with 3 hinges instead of two. horizontal stab has extra spar & ribs vertical stab has extra ribs. it has nav. lights that incorporate position lights tail & strobe lights the landing lights are on the retractable gear . the plane is a easy 8 my reason for selling is my age. any further questions. contact me at 661-763-1258 regards, Everett Williams. Gary Melton N320GG 400 hours ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cory Emberson" <bootless(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Has Anyone Financed a Lancair?
Date: Jun 10, 2004
Hello! I'm writing an article for Kitplanes magazine about financing for homebuilts. Has anyone had any experience in financing your Lancair (or other plane that you've built), and would you care to share that experience? Also, if you've had the experience of financing an already-completed homebuilt, I would love to hear from you as well. Thanks so much! If you care to contact me off-list, my email address is cory(at)lightspeededit.com. My "list" email address is bootless(at)earthlink.net. Best, Cory Emberson KHWD ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Russell Johnson <entec1(at)pld.com>
Subject: You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage!
Date: - - - , 20-
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From: "Cory Emberson" <bootless(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Factory Training?
Date: Jun 17, 2004
Hello! Has anyone had any recent experience with the Lancair factory training? I have found their website, and want to add this information to a Kitplanes article I'm writing about insurance for homebuilts. Thanks! best, Cory Emberson KHWD ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Warren Gretz <warrengretz(at)gretzaero.com>
Subject: Gretz Aero Heated Pitot Tubes and Mounting Brackets
Date: Jul 16, 2004
Hello Builders, We have been off of this list for some time, but wanted to let you know we are still making and selling parts for your aircraft. We have been in the process of moving our operation from Colorado to Idaho for the past several months. With luck, we should be settled into our new location in Idaho by the end of the first week of August. Meanwhile, our Heated Pitot Tube Mounting Bracket Kits are still very popular and we been keeping very busy producing them. We do want to let everyone know that we will need to increase our prices slightly, effective the 1st of August. This increse is due to our raw material costs going up and also shipping charges that have been going up over the past two years. We have tried to keep from raising prices as long as we can, but now need to do so. Sorry. GOOD NEWS is that we are getting very close to having our NEWEST Gretz Aero designed product available! It is the GA-1000. This is a heated pitot tube that is a totaly new design. It is completely different than any pitot before. The Gretz Aero heated pitot tube is called the GA-1000 and will look nearly like the PH502-12CR pitot tube except the GA-1000 will be black in color, and it will be lighter in weight than any other heated pitot tube on the market. The GA-1000 will be what we are calling a "smart" pitot tube. It will give the pilot feedback as to its operation on the panel. It will also be very energy conserative and be excellent installed in an aircraft with a small altanator in the electrical system. The only bad part is, it is not available yet. We plan on having it available very soon, if production does not throw us a problem. It has taken us MUCH MUCH longer to get this project done than we ever dreamed it would. The TARGET price on the GA-1000 is +/- $325 depending upon final production costs. This price will include shipping charges in the US. There are a number of builders that are purchasing our mounting bracket kit, which was designed for the PH502-12CR pitot, (which has been available for years), this same bracket kit will also fit the new GA-1000. Once the mounting bracket is installed in your aircraft, the GA-1000 pitot tube can be installed at a later date when it is available. Other pitot tubes that are now available, will also fit into the same mounting bracket as well as the GA-1000. We will make as big a splash as we can on our website, http://www.gretzaero.com , and this List, when the new Gretz Aero GA-1000 heated pitot tube product is available. There will be a page on the Gretz Aero website that will cover this product in great detail. I hope this information helps you. Your can place orders with Gretz Aero on the gretzaero.com website, print out the printable order form on the order page of the website and mail, or call the phone numbers below. If you want to reply to us about this message posting, please do so directly to my e-mail address below and not on the LIST. Good Building to you! Warren Gretz Gretz Aero 15405 Bates Creek Rd. Oreana, ID 83650 warrengretz(at)gretzaero.com http://www.gretzaero.com 720-308-0010 208-834-2312 Warren Gretz Gretz Aero ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fabian Lefler" <fablef(at)bellsouth.net>
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Subject: Aluminum Vents Sale
Date: Jul 31, 2004
I am overstocked with Black Anodized Aluminum Vents, so for the month of August, I will offer these at $199.00 with free shipping. Regular Price is $235.00 with a $10.00 shipping charge. These vents are the same size as Van's plastic vents including the mounting holes. Our black anodized vents are unique in that we made the eyeball and mechanism of out aluminum, but the flanges are plastic so that the corners can be rounded off, just like Van's, and not expose the clear aluminum. You can see the vents here: http://www.affordablepanels.com/aluminum_vents_files/IM001220.JPG You can order the vents here: http://www.affordablepanels.com/aluminum_vents.htm This special is only available during this month, or until I run out of vents. Regards, Fabian ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 01, 2004
rv8-list(at)matronics.com, rv9-list(at)matronics.com, europa-list(at)matronics.com, glasair-list(at)matronics.com, lancair-list(at)matronics.com, rocket-list(at)matronics.com
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: "Advertising" on the Lists...
>I received a nastygram from an individual who read my posting regarding >aluminum vents sale, so before the Oshkosh crowds return to the list and >this becomes a real problem, I'll offer my apologies in advance to the >group. > >Fabian Listers, I encourage small business owners such as Fabian to promote their products on the Lists. I do ask, however, that the flavor of the messages not be in the traditional form of spam messages, but more in the context of a personal message. Obviously, moderation is in order as well. The Lists are a forum for all types of dialog that involve the particular List in question. If all of the Listers on a given List were in one big room meeting and communicating in the manner that we do on the Lists, then people such as Fabian and myself, for that matter, would obviously be promoting our products to anyone that would listen. In fact, we would likely be invited to give a presentation on it to the group. The List isn't about commercialism, but it is about sharing knowledge. This extends to everyone, including those that provide products to the community. Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 05, 2004
From: Land Shorter <landshorter2(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: New product announcement: affordable VG's
homebuilt-list(at)matronics.com, jabiru-list(at)matronics.com, kitfox-list(at)matronics.com, kolb-list(at)matronics.com, kr-list(at)matronics.com, l29-list(at)matronics.com, l39-list(at)matronics.com, lancair-list(at)matronics.com.1.00.SORTED_RECIPS.Recipient.list.is.sorted.by.address Hey folks, I double checked and Matt Dralle's earlier post says it's OK to post about new aviation products as long as the message doesn't come off as having a "flavor" of "traditional spam". Don't worry I'm not going to try to sell you anything that supposedly makes any of your body parts larger (or smaller) and this product is directly aviation related :) I'm just an airplane builder, owner, pilot, and aviation nut who wants to tell you where you can find more information about a great new product. I've been selling kits of vortex generators (VG's) for only $95 and my customers are telling me they really like the performance gains they're seeing. VG's are great for reducing stall speeds and allow you to land slower, shorter, and safer. I invite you to check out my site at www.landshorter.com and see what you think. My VG's can be quickly installed for testing using removable double-stick tape and come with a 100% money-back guarantee so why not try them out on your plane? You'll be really glad you did :) Thanks and let's keep 'em flying! Joa Harrison The VG Guy www.landshorter.com 1-877-272-1414 (toll free) --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "asdfasdf asfasdf" <paolodgf(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Lancair 360 and cranking up the engine for the first time
Date: Sep 12, 2004
Hallo everybody at the Lancair list! after many years of building I finally got to the point to get the engine started. I am experiencing the following problem and hope somebody can give some suggestion: I am following the Lycoming handbook procedure for starting the engine but what happens is that, after a few seconds running (I have actually even not the time to completely push back the mixture to "Full Rich") the engine stops again. Now I have been trying to figure out whether I have an electrical problem but it appears that the left (impulse coupled) magneto is correctly providing current to the spark plugs; I have checked the markings on each of the caps connecting each of the plugs to the respective single cable of the ignition harness: I noticed that each of these caps is provided with a characteristic marking (for example T1, B1, T2, B2: I guess it stays for Top- cylinder 1, Bottom- cylinder 1 and so on). According to these markings everything is OK as far as connecting the magnetos to the spark plugs. So now I am trying to figure out whether the engine receives fuel regularly. I don't remember exactly what I did on connecting the electrical boost pump (Dukes high pressure pump delivered from Lancair): I suspect that the polarity of the connection could be inverted and that the pump runs in the wrong way. Has anybody mounting istructions for this pump and/or any suggestion in this connection? The pump was delivered without any mounting instructions or specification sheet and I didn't request one by that time. Many thanks for your help, Paolo Paolo Fanti Munich - Germany Basic configuration information: Lancair 360 - Engine LYC IO360 B1F - Wing tip extemsions - Larger Tail plane - Speed Brakes Precise Flight (belly mounted) - Electrical trims on elevator and aileron - Garmin GNS 430 - Vision Micro EPI 800 Engine monitoring - Double fuel system (old system with Facet fuel pumps and 1/4" alu lines from the wings (now used only to transfer fuel to the header tank which is used for T/O and Landings)) with Andair fuel selector valve and 3/8" alu lines directly from the wings - Rubber dampers of main gear substituted with Oleo-pneumatic struts. http://toolbar.msn.de Jetzt kostenlos downloaden! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 12, 2004
From: Dan DeNeal <rv6apilot(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Lancair 360 and cranking up the engine for the first
time Try starting your engine with full rich on. Mine starts all the time in "Full Rich". To stop the engine I pull the knob to "Full Lean". Dan asdfasdf asfasdf wrote: Hallo everybody at the Lancair list! after many years of building I finally got to the point to get the engine started. I am experiencing the following problem and hope somebody can give some suggestion: I am following the Lycoming handbook procedure for starting the engine but what happens is that, after a few seconds running (I have actually even not the time to completely push back the mixture to "Full Rich") the engine stops again. Now I have been trying to figure out whether I have an electrical problem but it appears that the left (impulse coupled) magneto is correctly providing current to the spark plugs; I have checked the markings on each of the caps connecting each of the plugs to the respective single cable of the ignition harness: I noticed that each of these caps is provided with a characteristic marking (for example T1, B1, T2, B2: I guess it stays for Top- cylinder 1, Bottom- cylinder 1 and so on). According to these markings everything is OK as far as connecting the magnetos to the spark plugs. So now I am trying to figure out whether the engine receives fuel regularly. I don't remember exactly what I did on connecting the electrical boost pump (Dukes high pressure pump delivered from Lancair): I suspect that the polarity of the connection could be inverted and that the pump runs in the wrong way. Has anybody mounting istructions for this pump and/or any suggestion in this connection? The pump was delivered without any mounting instructions or specification sheet and I didn't request one by that time. Many thanks for your help, Paolo Paolo Fanti Munich - Germany Basic configuration information: Lancair 360 - Engine LYC IO360 B1F - Wing tip extemsions - Larger Tail plane - Speed Brakes Precise Flight (belly mounted) - Electrical trims on elevator and aileron - Garmin GNS 430 - Vision Micro EPI 800 Engine monitoring - Double fuel system (old system with Facet fuel pumps and 1/4" alu lines from the wings (now used only to transfer fuel to the header tank which is used for T/O and Landings)) with Andair fuel selector valve and 3/8" alu lines directly from the wings - Rubber dampers of main gear substituted with Oleo-pneumatic struts. http://toolbar.msn.de Jetzt kostenlos downloaden! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 20, 2004
From: Dan DeNeal <rv6apilot(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Looking for an unfinished Lancair 320/360 project
I am looking for an unfinished Lancair 320/360 project. Anybody on the list who wants to sell? Dan DeNeal 217-283-9574 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "lou rubin" <lourubin(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: surface imperfections
Date: Nov 25, 2004
What type of light do you use to see imperfections on the skin? >From: Lancair-List Digest Server <lancair-list-digest(at)matronics.com> >Reply-To: lancair-list(at)matronics.com >To: Lancair-List Digest List >Subject: Lancair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 11/24/04 >Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:56:27 -0800 > >* > > ================================================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================== > >Today's complete Lancair-List Digest can also be found in either of the >two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted >in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes >and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version >of the Lancair-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor >such as Notepad or with a web browser. > >HTML Version: > > >http://www.matronics.com/digest/lancair-list/Digest.Lancair-List.2004-11-24.html > >Text Version: > > >http://www.matronics.com/digest/lancair-list/Digest.Lancair-List.2004-11-24.txt > > > ================================================ > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================ > > > Lancair-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Wed 11/24/04: 0 > > >Today's Message Index: >---------------------- > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2004
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Lister Comments - Please Support The Lists
Dear Listers, Wow! People have been including some very nice comments along with their Contributions lately! I've included another set of below and will send another set in a couple of days. Guys, I really appreciate your kind words and support. In the last few days, the contributions have really started to come in and its looking like support this year may slightly surpass last year's. There's still a few days left in this year's Fund Raiser, so if you've been waiting until the last minute to make your Contribution, now's the time! Make Your Contribution Today: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ----------------- More of What Listers Are Saying... -------------------- Every morning 5:30 am, coffee and the "List". It's how I start my day. Robert G. The list is still my favorite aviation magazine. Roger H. Great resource, without the distraction of pop ups and ads! Douglas D. I look forward to my daily list reading almost as much as my coffee! Hal K. Great service! Aaron G. I have made some great friends, because of it! Bob D. Great resource!! Richard S. I learn something of value every time I read the messages. Stan S. Great list! Thomas E. Now that I am close to completion of my [homebuilt], I look back and wonder how I could ever have made it this far without [the Lists]. Jeff O. Outstanding site and administration. Anthony S. Great forum for our projects. Darrel M. I have become a List Addict! George M. A very helpful resource for me. Dennis K. Great for staying up on the latest. Forrest L. Valuable benefit for the users. George A. Great tool for all [builders]. Tony M. Can't tell you how much I appreciate the archives. Ken B. I really enjoy the sharing of information and the "discussions" that come up. Ross S. [The List] reminds us home builders that help is just a few clicks away. Danny W. A great resource! Christopher S. Always a pleasure to support this list! Richard W. Thanks for helping all of us build better aircraft. John P. Great list(s)for data, info and making friends. John S. [The] List has helped me much with my building process. Raimo T. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nicholas Paczkowski" <npaczkowski(at)telus.net>
Subject: Wingtip attachment
Date: Dec 16, 2004
Has anyone used aluminum piano hinge (not carbinge) to attach the wingtips? If so, how did you attach the hinge to the wing/wingskins and how did you prevent the hinge from physically interfering with the VOR antennas? Thanks. Nicholas Paczkowski Office: (604) 643 1720 Direct: (604) 929 8285 Fax: (604) 924 8270 E-mail: npaczkowski(at)telus.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nicholas Paczkowski" <npaczkowski(at)telus.net>
Subject: Builders Log
Date: Dec 21, 2004
Can anyone explain why a builders log is necessary or useful. I keep periodic progress photographs but do not keep a written log. I fail to see the purpose of a day to day builders log. Nicholas Paczkowski Office: (604) 643 1720 Direct: (604) 929 8285 Fax: (604) 924 8270 E-mail: npaczkowski(at)telus.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GatesJH(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 21, 2004
Subject: Re: Builders Log
When you go to the FAA and apply for a Repairman Certificate on your airplane, you must be able to prove that YOU built it and did over 51% of the work. The log is that proof. Without the Certificate, you will not legally be able to perform inspections or repairs on your airplane and will have to hire a A&P to do those tasks. Jim Gates ________________________________________________________________________________
From: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Date: Jan 07, 2005
Subject: [PLEASE READ NOW] - Addressing Upgrade At Matronics TONIGHT!
Dear Listers, Service Provider to upgrade to a larger IP subnet. I will be re-addressing all of the machines on the network including the Matronics Web Server and Matronics Email Server at that time. Name Service will be updated at that time as well and most things should work again pretty quick. There may be some bounced email for a few hours or even a day or so as the new name-to-ip-address resolutions propagate into the depths of the Internet. If you have problems posting a message to one of the Lists or get a bounced message back, please wait a couple of hours and try sending it again. Generally, access to the web site should work within 1-hour of Hopefully the transition will go smoothly and you'll hardly even notice! :-) Thanks for your patience! Matt Dralle List Administrator -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gerald conrad" <gwcgwc(at)videotron.ca>
Subject: Wanted Garmin 196
Date: Jan 22, 2005
Wanted a used Garmin 196 or 296. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Just Wondering
Date: Apr 02, 2005
Lancair Builders/Flyers I've never seen a posting for the Lancair List. Just wondering if I'm the only one that subscribes? If I don't get an answer I'll assume no one else subscribes to the list. Thanks Frank ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "N320GG" <n320g(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Just Wondering
Date: Apr 02, 2005
Frank, yours is the only post if have seen except for once or twice a year I get Matt's official usage guidelines. I also subscribe to LML and there is lots of activity on there. I know of, but do not subscribe to, a list for Legacy builders. Gary LNC2 N320GG 450 hours Sacramento area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver(at)earthlink.net> > > > Lancair Builders/Flyers > > I've never seen a posting for the Lancair List. Just wondering if I'm > the only one that subscribes? If I don't get an answer I'll assume no > one else subscribes to the list. > Thanks > Frank ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 02, 2005
From: Earl_Schroeder <Earl_Schroeder(at)juno.com>
Subject: Re: Just Wondering
Hi Frank, I too subscribe but this is the first post I've seen. I suppose you know there is another Lancair list that is active? Write me a private message for the URL if you don't already have it. Earl Frank Haertlein wrote: > >Lancair Builders/Flyers > >I've never seen a posting for the Lancair List. Just wondering if I'm >the only one that subscribes? If I don't get an answer I'll assume no >one else subscribes to the list. >Thanks >Frank > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 02, 2005
From: Robert Dorsey <lnc2bldr(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Just Wondering
It seems that when someone finds out about the LML they join it and depart this one. http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/lml/ Go to the bottom of the page to subscribe. Bob At 08:02 AM 4/2/05, you wrote: > > >Lancair Builders/Flyers > >I've never seen a posting for the Lancair List. Just wondering if I'm >the only one that subscribes? If I don't get an answer I'll assume no >one else subscribes to the list. >Thanks >Frank > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Just Wondering
Date: Apr 02, 2005
Thanks Guys. I'll subscribe to LML. See you there. Frank Prospective Legacy Builder ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dww0708(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 03, 2005
Subject: Re: Just Wondering
I don t see any activity on this forum but the LNC IVP moves out DAVID ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Larkin" <mlas(at)cox.net>
Subject: Just Wondering
Date: Apr 03, 2005
I watch it.... Building a Legacy Mike Larkin -----Original Message----- From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein Subject: Lancair-List: Just Wondering Lancair Builders/Flyers I've never seen a posting for the Lancair List. Just wondering if I'm the only one that subscribes? If I don't get an answer I'll assume no one else subscribes to the list. Thanks Frank -- -- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "N320GG" <n320g(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Just Wondering
Date: Apr 03, 2005
Mike where are you building that Legacy? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Larkin" <mlas(at)cox.net> Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Just Wondering > > I watch it.... Building a Legacy > > > Mike Larkin > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank > Haertlein > To: lancair-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Lancair-List: Just Wondering > > > > Lancair Builders/Flyers > > I've never seen a posting for the Lancair List. Just wondering if I'm > the only one that subscribes? If I don't get an answer I'll assume no > one else subscribes to the list. > Thanks > Frank > > > -- > > > -- > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Larkin" <mlas(at)cox.net>
Subject: Just Wondering
Date: Apr 04, 2005
Phoenix AZ Mike Larkin -----Original Message----- From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N320GG Subject: Re: Lancair-List: Just Wondering Mike where are you building that Legacy? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Larkin" <mlas(at)cox.net> Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Just Wondering > > I watch it.... Building a Legacy > > > Mike Larkin > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank > Haertlein > To: lancair-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Lancair-List: Just Wondering > > > > Lancair Builders/Flyers > > I've never seen a posting for the Lancair List. Just wondering if I'm > the only one that subscribes? If I don't get an answer I'll assume no > one else subscribes to the list. > Thanks n: Command not found. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "GORDON PARKER" <gptailwind(at)msn.com>
Subject:
Date: Apr 14, 2005
Hello-- My name is Gordon Parker - Live in Sequim,Wa. Fly out of Diamond Point on a 2350 FT runwway 260 el. I have a neighbor who recently bought a ten year old IO360 with the big tail. He is very concerned with the brakes. He hasn't landed it here yet. He has been in contact with Lancier, Grove and Matco. He doesn't have a computer and excess to all the good stuff that comes over the web. I personally fly a tailwind with a 160 and have no problem. I would like to contact someone that my friend could talk to that might be able to give him some good answers. Thanks ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Larkin" <mlas(at)cox.net>
Subject:
Date: Apr 14, 2005
I have many hours in a Lancair 360. The airplane is capable of landing in a 1000 feet if flown perfectly. I would say the average Lancair pilot should be able to land in 2300 ft at the field elevation. But, if the pilot is not confident in landing there he shouldn't even try until he has been able to perform at that level on a regular basis using a longer runway. Mike Larkin -----Original Message----- From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of GORDON PARKER Subject: Lancair-List: Hello-- My name is Gordon Parker - Live in Sequim,Wa. Fly out of Diamond Point on a 2350 FT runwway 260 el. I have a neighbor who recently bought a ten year old IO360 with the big tail. He is very concerned with the brakes. He hasn't landed it here yet. He has been in contact with Lancier, Grove and Matco. He doesn't have a computer and excess to all the good stuff that comes over the web. I personally fly a tailwind with a 160 and have no problem. I would like to contact someone that my friend could talk to that might be able to give him some good answers. Thanks -- -- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "GORDON PARKER" <gptailwind(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: ancair-List:
Date: Apr 14, 2005
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Larkin" <mlas(at)cox.net> Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Mike-- Thanks for the reply--My friend (Daryl Fowler) Is concerned about the brakes-- He really would like to talk With someone like your self. If possible a ph. # and a time he could call would be much appreciated. Thanks again, Gordon > -- > > > -- > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 16, 2005
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [Please Read] Matronics Email Server Upgrade...
Dear Listers, I will be upgrading the Matronics Email Server this weekend. This includes some hardware improvements - more memory, faster, more capable processors - as well as a complete operating system upgrade from scratch. I hope to have both the old system and the new system running at the same time to minimize the actual impact of the upgrade. Hopefully there will be little actual downtime during the transition, but a few posts may get lost in the shuffle. If you don't see your post show up on the List in the normal amount of time (plus a little bit), then please just try posting it again. Upgrading the Matronics Email Server operating system (from Redhat Linux 7.2 to Redhat Linux WS 4) is a sizeable undertaking and requires a great deal of work to port all of the utilities, programs, and scripts over to the new system. As I've already mentioned, both the old and new systems will be on line at the same time, so interruption should be held to an absolute minimal. You might see a couple of odd test messages during the cut-over or other odd messages; please just ignore them. I have setup a new System Status Web Page that I will use to update List Members on the current status of the email and web systems. Please refer to it as often as you like: http://www.matronics.com/SystemStatus/ Thank you for your continued support of the List Services at Matronics! Its your yearly Contributions that make these major upgrades possible! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 17, 2005
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [Please Read] Matronics Email Server Upgrade Complete!
Dear Listers, The upgrade of the Matronics Email Server can be considered complete at this time. All known issues related to the upgrade process have been resolved and email services are running normal. The Nightly Digest processing has not yet been tested and will wait for tonight's update. If you encounter any odd behavior with respect to the Matronics Email Server over the next few days, please contact me via email at dralle(at)matronics.com or if that fails try dralle(at)speakeasy.net. Thanks to everyone for being patient through this arduous process of a major system upgrade! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator At 12:37 PM 4/16/2005 Saturday, Matt Dralle wrote: >Dear Listers, > >I will be upgrading the Matronics Email Server this weekend. This >includes some hardware improvements - more memory, faster, more capable >processors - as well as a complete operating system upgrade from >scratch. I hope to have both the old system and the new system running at >the same time to minimize the actual impact of the upgrade. > >Hopefully there will be little actual downtime during the transition, but >a few posts may get lost in the shuffle. If you don't see your post show >up on the List in the normal amount of time (plus a little bit), then >please just try posting it again. > >Upgrading the Matronics Email Server operating system (from Redhat Linux >7.2 to Redhat Linux WS 4) is a sizeable undertaking and requires a great >deal of work to port all of the utilities, programs, and scripts over to >the new system. As I've already mentioned, both the old and new systems >will be on line at the same time, so interruption should be held to an >absolute minimal. You might see a couple of odd test messages during the >cut-over or other odd messages; please just ignore them. > >I have setup a new System Status Web Page that I will use to update List >Members on the current status of the email and web systems. Please refer >to it as often as you like: > > http://www.matronics.com/SystemStatus/ > > >Thank you for your continued support of the List Services at >Matronics! Its your yearly Contributions that make these major upgrades >possible! > >Best regards, > >Matt Dralle >Matronics Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 10, 2005
From: maildex(at)aol.com
Subject: LANCAIR 360 TRAINING
Im located in Eastern Virginia and strongly considering the purchase of a flying LANCAIR 360. I would appreciate any info on the following: - Local sources (East Coast) for orientation & advanced training in the aircraft. - General performance specs for the 360. Can't find anything on LANCAIR's website since they no longer sell the kit. - Any words of wisdom you might like to offer. Thanks, Greg Dexter ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dww0708(at)aol.com
Date: May 11, 2005
Subject: Re: LANCAIR 360 TRAINING
I am in West TN and fly a IVP around and think it is like a very slippery Baron 58. Use flaps for takeoff and keep 100 IAS till short final then transition from glidepath to flair 80/70 with power removed at initiation of round out. Carry extra speed you float,a lot. Full stall landings are so neat in that airplane. Nose wheel remains aloft even though wing has totally relinquished all lift. I love the airplane plenty. It has surplus thrust like a gorilla on steroids. Would not want to fly it over gross or out of CG at all. David ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Giffen A Marr" <gamarr(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Lancair-List Digest:2 Msgs - 05/10/05
Date: May 11, 2005
For good training, go attend class with these guys www.lancairtraining.com I did a ground school with them and it was excellent. Giff Marr LIVP/20B 35% -----Original Message----- From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lancair-List Digest Server Subject: Lancair-List Digest:2 Msgs - 05/10/05 * ================================================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================== Today's complete Lancair-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Lancair-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/lancair-list/Digest.Lancair-List.2005-05-10. html Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/lancair-list/Digest.Lancair-List.2005-05-10. txt ================================================ EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================ Lancair-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/10/05:2 Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:10 AM - LANCAIR 360 TRAINING (maildex(at)aol.com) 2. 09:52 PM - Re: LANCAIR 360 TRAINING (Dww0708(at)aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ From: maildex(at)aol.com Subject: Lancair-List: LANCAIR 360 TRAINING Im located in Eastern Virginia and strongly considering the purchase of a flying LANCAIR 360. I would appreciate any info on the following: - Local sources (East Coast) for orientation & advanced training in the aircraft. - General performance specs for the 360. Can't find anything on LANCAIR's website since they no longer sell the kit. - Any words of wisdom you might like to offer. Thanks, Greg Dexter ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ From: Dww0708(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Lancair-List: LANCAIR 360 TRAINING I am in West TN and fly a IVP around and think it is like a very slippery Baron 58. Use flaps for takeoff and keep 100 IAS till short final then transition from glidepath to flair 80/70 with power removed at initiation of round out. Carry extra speed you float,a lot. Full stall landings are so neat in that airplane. Nose wheel remains aloft even though wing has totally relinquished all lift. I love the airplane plenty. It has surplus thrust like a gorilla on steroids. Would not want to fly it over gross or out of CG at all. David ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 14, 2005
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List Digest Truncation Fixed!!
Dear Listers, I finally figured out today what was causing the occasional truncation of the daily List Digest emails. Seems that every once in a while a message would contain a single "." (period) on line all by itself. The mailers would see this and assume that this was the universal emailer signal for "end of message", and consequently wouldn't process any of the rest of the Digest message. I've put in a filter today to remove any of these sequences so we should be back in business on the Digests. Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Alfred Rosa <76papa(at)clarityconnect.com>
Subject: 12v Linear actuator
Date: Jul 23, 2005
I have a 12v UNUSED SKF flap linear actuator that I just listed with Ebay for $450. Since these are used in Lancairs I thought someone might be interested. Al Rosa ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 26, 2005
From: Jan Safranek <jany77(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: wanted kit
hi guys wanted kit for 235 or 320 lancair any one want sell his project let me know jany77(at)sbcglobal.net or 8316569329 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Flylow38(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 02, 2005
Subject: Lancair 360 MKII Outback Gear "HELP, MY GEAR HAS FALLEN
AND IT WONT COME UP"! Hello Lancair owners, builders and pilots, I am currently flying a Lancair 360 MKII with the outback gear. Above 140 indicated, the gear starts to sag about 1 inch. above 180 indicated it is hanging out 3 inches. The inner gear doors are also pushed out by the wheels as they come down. We have tried aerodynamic trips, as well as increasing the pressure to 1300 psi. Normal PSI is around 1050. It looks as if its not just tweaking the gear doors but also lowering the wheel from the well. Nose gear is fine and the gear retracts up and tight on the jacks. Neither have been successful. We have up and down PSI guages for the hydraulics. Reno is nearing and we will be increasing pressure to 15-1800 psi to try to fix this issue. Have any of you out there experienced this same problem? I'd appreciate your comments. Thanks, Will ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Larkin" <mlas(at)cox.net>
Subject: Lancair 360 MKII Outback Gear "HELP, MY GEAR HAS FALLEN
AND IT WONT COME UP"!
Date: Sep 03, 2005
Yes, but not on the Lancair 360, this is a common problem on the Lancair Legacy. The fix is the racers kit, which changes the inboard gear door actuators. Are you running the hydraulic inboard gear doors or the mechanical type? Mike Larkin -----Original Message----- From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Flylow38(at)aol.com Subject: Lancair-List: Lancair 360 MKII Outback Gear "HELP, MY GEAR HAS FALLEN AND IT WONT COME UP"! Hello Lancair owners, builders and pilots, I am currently flying a Lancair 360 MKII with the outback gear. Above 140 indicated, the gear starts to sag about 1 inch. above 180 indicated it is hanging out 3 inches. The inner gear doors are also pushed out by the wheels as they come down. We have tried aerodynamic trips, as well as increasing the pressure to 1300 psi. Normal PSI is around 1050. It looks as if its not just tweaking the gear doors but also lowering the wheel from the well. Nose gear is fine and the gear retracts up and tight on the jacks. Neither have been successful. We have up and down PSI guages for the hydraulics. Reno is nearing and we will be increasing pressure to 15-1800 psi to try to fix this issue. Have any of you out there experienced this same problem? I'd appreciate your comments. Thanks, Will -- 8/25/2005 -- 8/25/2005 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Flylow38(at)AOL.COM
Date: Sep 05, 2005
Subject: Re: Lancair 360 MKII Outback Gear "HELP, MY GEAR HAS FALLEN
AND... I am familiar with the "RENO" mod on the Legacy. These inner gear door actuators are hydraulic. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 06, 2005
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matronics Web Server Upgrade Today Tuesday 09/06/05 5pm
PDT Dear Listers, I will be taking the Matronics Web Server down for a few hours today, Tuesday September 6 2005 for a chassis upgrade. Archive browsing and searching along with subscription services will be unavailable for be processed normally during the upgrade. Please check the Matronics System Status Page for updates (although this page resides on the web server and won't be available during the upgrade): http://www.matronics.com/SystemStatus/ Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Gary Casey <glcasey(at)adelphia.net>
Subject: Cardinal for sale
Date: Oct 18, 2005
Please help me pay for the engine in my ES by buying my Cardinal (or maybe you know someone looking for one): For Sale - 1974 177RG, serial no. 580, N2180Q. 4500 TTAF, 1500 SMOH. King panel with KX-155's, CDI's, DME, Xponder. STEC-30 A/P with alt hold and control wheel mode selection. JPI engine analyzer. Good paint, good interior (both original) with leather seats. $63,900 OBO. Gary Casey ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <bakerocb(at)cox.net>
Subject: Dreamcatcher
Date: Nov 11, 2005
11/11/2005 Hello Lancair Experts,There was a homebuilder (fanatic) on the west coast many years ago that had built one of the early two place Lancairs. He called it Dreamcatcher and it was beyond magnificent. The bottom of the aircraft was decorated with a native american motif dreamcatcher design. When the aircraft was on display at fly-ins and malls it would be parked over mirrors so that one could see the bottom decoration without crawling around on the surface. The airplane was at Osh Kosh one year and just missed winning the grand prize. Rumor had it that the judges detected just a bit of misalignment in the right horizontal stabilizer. Subsequently a famous photo appeared in the magazines of the builder in the process of removing the right horizontal stabilizer with a common carpenters saw. He had it about half sawed through in the photo. His plan was to reinstall it. I saw the airplane a few years later at Sun 'n Fun after the original owner had sold it in order to build something better. Don't know the real reason for sawing off the HS. Don't know how he reinstalled it. Don't know if he ever went back to Osh Kosh with it. Don't know if he ever built another aircraft, better or not. I heard through the grapevine that the second (or subsequent) owner crashed the airplane. Can anyone on the list please bring us up to date on Dreamcatcher and its builder? OC PS: It would not surprise me if he never built another airplane -- flames that burn that intensely tend to burn them selves out. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "N320GG" <n320g(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Dreamcatcher
Date: Nov 11, 2005
> > 11/11/2005 > > Hello Lancair Experts,There was a homebuilder (fanatic) on > the west coast many years ago that had built one of the early two place > Lancairs. snip Mike Campbell was the builder of dream catcher and he did cut off the "small tail" and replaced it witht he mark II tail. After he sold the Lancair he built and aerobatic airplane, it was a show winner as well. Here are a couple of links: http://www.designerprop.com/LANCAIR.htm http://www.aviationmuseumstore.com/PCAM/cgi-bin/store.php?search=yes&detail=yes&category=VIDEO&SUBCAT=CIVIL&item_no=BRAVO Gary ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Sky2high(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 11, 2005
Subject: Re: Dreamcatcher
In a message dated 11/11/2005 9:12:23 P.M. Central Standard Time, bakerocb(at)cox.net writes: Hello Lancair Experts,There was a homebuilder (fanatic) on the west coast many years ago that had built one of the early two place Lancairs. He called it Dreamcatcher and it was beyond magnificent. The bottom of the aircraft was decorated with a native american motif dreamcatcher design. When the aircraft was on display at fly-ins and malls it would be parked over mirrors so that one could see the bottom decoration without crawling around on the surface. The airplane was at Osh Kosh one year and just missed winning the grand prize. Rumor had it that the judges detected just a bit of misalignment in the right horizontal stabilizer. Subsequently a famous photo appeared in the magazines of the builder in the process of removing the right horizontal stabilizer with a common carpenters saw. He had it about half sawed through in the photo. His plan was to reinstall it. I saw the airplane a few years later at Sun 'n Fun after the original owner had sold it in order to build something better. Don't know the real reason for sawing off the HS. Don't know how he reinstalled it. Don't know if he ever went back to Osh Kosh with it. Don't know if he ever built another aircraft, better or not. I heard through the grapevine that the second (or subsequent) owner crashed the airplane. Can anyone on the list please bring us up to date on Dreamcatcher and its builder? OC PS: It would not surprise me if he never built another airplane -- flames that burn that intensely tend to burn them selves out. 1. Mike Campbell was the builder of N6111. 2. The tail was changed to the MKII tail (larger) because of better control. 3. Mike sold the plane and the following is the NTSB report of its loss at the hands of the new owner: <<<<<<<<<<<<<< ATL99LA083 On May 11, 1999, at 1000 central daylight time, a Campbell Lancair 320, N6111, collided with a tree and the ground during climb out from the Reeves Airport in Tallessee, Alabama. The personal flight was operated by the pilot under the provisions of Title 14 CFR Part 91 with no flight plan filed. Visual weather conditions prevailed at the time of the accident. The commercial pilot was fatally injured, and the airplane sustained substantial damage. The local flight departed Tallessee, Alabama, at 0959. According to a friend of the pilot, who was located at the Reeves Airport at the time of the accident, the purpose of the flight was to demonstrate a high speed, low pass over the runway. The pilot's friend reported that, during climb out there was a short radio conversation with the pilot followed by an abrupt end to the conversation. At this point, the airplane entered a nose-up attitude followed by a nose-down attitude. Another witness reported that the airplane entered a counter clockwise spin. The airplane collided with the ground and was located in a wooded area with the nose section still in a nose-down attitude. A tree in the immediate vicinity of the impact point was damaged. A witness also reported that the engine continued to run at a high RPM rate throughout the sequence of flight events. Examination of the accident site disclosed the airplane rested in a nose down attitude at the base of a large tree. There were several fresh slash marks several feet above the ground. Wreckage debris was scattered in the immediate vicinity of the main wreckage. The engine assembly was buried in the ground several inches, and the instrument panel was displaced aft into the pilot's station. Further examination of the airframe confirmed that flight control cables and control surfaces were connected. The engine assembly sustained extensive impact damage. Examination of the airframe and engine assembly failed to disclose a mechanical malfunction or a component failure. A post mortem examination was performed on the pilot on May 11, 1999, at Alabama Department of Forensic Science in Montgomery, Alabama. A review of the toxicological examination disclosed that 0.014 (ug/ml, ug/g) of diphenhydramine (antihistamines) was detected in the blood; an unspecified quantity of diphenhydramine was detected in the urine sample. >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. He did go on to build other planes with exotic paint designs. A Giles with an alien paint scheme that was in Sport Aviation. Try a Google search and you can learn much more. Scott Krueger AKA Grayhawk Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96 Aurora, IL (KARR) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2005
Subject: Re: Dreamcatcher
From: "John Schroeder" <jschroeder(at)perigee.net>
OC - If I am not mistaken or of failing memory, I believe that he did win an award at OSH. Anyone else recall or can verify this? John > The airplane was at Osh Kosh one year and just missed winning the grand > prize. Rumor had it that the judges detected just a bit of misalignment > in > the right horizontal stabilizer. Subsequently a famous photo appeared in > the > magazines of the builder in the process of removing the right horizontal > stabilizer with a common carpenters saw. He had it about half sawed > through > in the photo. His plan was to reinstall it. > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 09, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: All New BBS Interface For Matronics List Forums!
Dear Listers, I'm very proud to announce a completely new BBS interface is now available for all of the Email Lists at Matronics! This is a full-featured system that allows for viewing, posting, attachments, polls - the works. But the best part is that it is *completely* integrated with all of the existing email tools currently available at Matronics! What this means at the most basic level is that, if you post a message to List from Email in the traditional way, it will show up on the BBS system *and* get distributed to everyone currently subscribed to the Email List. By the same token, if you are on the BBS and post a message to a given List-Forum, the message will not only show up on the BBS, but also be distributed to everyone on the Email List!! It is really a very nice implementation and I am very pleased with its operation. All of the tools you have come to know and love such as the List Search Engine and List Browse and Download will still be available and contain all of the latest posts. Think of the new BBS interface as just another method of accessing the all of the Lists. You can use the BBS to view all of the latest posts without having to do anything except use your browser to surf over to the site. You can view and look at all of the various List's posts. If you want to post a new message or reply to an existing message from the BBS, you will have to Register on the BBS. This is a *very* simple process and will only take a couple of minutes. There is a small icon in the upper righthand side of the main BBS page labeled "Register" to get you started. I strongly recommend that you use the exact *same* email address you are subscribed to the Email Lists with when registering on the BBS. Also, while not an absolute requirement, I would really appreciate it if people would use their full name when choosing their Username on the BBS (for example "Matt Dralle"). This just makes it easier for everyone to know who's posting. Also, I have enabled the ability to upload a small user picture with your profile called an "avatar". Please use a *real* picture of yourself *with* your cloths on! Thank you! Maximum size of the bitmap is 120x120. You can either be subscribed to the BBS, or any number of Email Lists, or both. Registering on the BBS will allow you to email directly to all of the various Lists. However, to receive direct List Email, you will need to be *subscribed* to the various Lists as you have in the past. No changes here in operation. I have added numerous links on the BBS pointing to the Email List subscription page. I've had the BBS connected to the Lists for about a week now, so its already loaded up with a fair number of messages. You can post photos and other documents directly to the BBS and links to them will appear in the List Email distributions. Also, when any messages posted to the BBS are viewed in the List Email distribution, there will be a URL link at the bottom of the message pointing back to the BBS. And here's what you've been waiting for -- the main URL for the new Matronics Email List BBS is: http://forums.matronics.com Please surf on over, Register, and have a great time! I think this will be the dawn of a whole new era for the Lists at Matronics! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 29, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Six New Email Lists / Forums At Matronics!
Dear Listers, Its my pleasure to announce the addition of six new Email List / Forums to the aviation line up at Matronics! These new lists support all the usual features you've come to know and love from the Matronics Email List including full integration with the All New Web BBS Forums Site!! The new Lists include: LycomingEngines-List Textron/Lycoming Engines RotaxEngines-List Rotax Engine for Aircraft M14PEngines-List Vendenyev M14P Radial Engine MurphyMoose-List Murphy Moose Aircraft Allegro-List Allegro 2000, a Czech-built, Rotax-powered Aircraft Falco-List Sequoia Aircraft's Falco Experimental To sign up for any or all of the new Lists, surf over to the Matronics Email List Subscription Form and follow the instructions: http://www.matronics.com/subscribe Don't forget to check out the All New Web BBS Forum now available along with all of the usual message and archive viewing tools at the Matronics Email Lists site. Surf over to the following URL for information on the BBS Forum: http://forums.matronics.com Enjoy the new Lists! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 01, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matronics Email List Wiki!
Dear Listers, I have added a new feature to the Email List Forums at Matronics called a Wiki. What's "Wiki" you ask? A Wiki is a website. You go to it and browse just like you would any other web site. The difference is, you can change it. You can put anything you want on this web site without having to be a web designer or even being the owner. You can write a new page just like writing an email message on the BBS. You don't need to send it off to anyone to install on the site. It is kind of like a Blog (weblog) in which anyone can post. Here is a great page on where the term Wiki came from and what it means in the context of a website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki So on to the new Matronics Email List Wiki... I've created this site for anyone from any of the Email Lists to use. I envision that there are a great many things that can be added to this new Wiki since there are always new and interesting tidbits of useful information traversing the Lists. Off the main Matronics Email List Wiki page, you will find a link called "Community Portal". Here you will find more links to stubs for all the various Lists found at Matronics (and a few other links). Brian Lloyd and others from the Yak-List have already begun adding content in a number of areas. Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric fame has added a great article on "Ageing Aircraft". I have discussed the new Matronics Email List Wiki with Tedd McHenry and Dwight Frye of the RV Wiki Site and they have decided to merge their site over onto the new Matronics Wiki server giving everyone a single source for information on RV building and flying! This migration will begin today and you should be able to find all of the content currently found at www.rvwiki.org moved over to the Matronics Wiki within a few days. To make edits to the Matronics Wiki, you will need to have a login account on the Matronics Wiki and I have disabled anonymous edits. This protects the Wiki site from automated spam engines and other nuisances that could compromise the data at the site. Signing up for an account is fast and easy and begins by clicking on the "create an account or log in" link in the upper right hand corner of any page. Note that you do not have to have a login or be logged in to view any of the content. The Matronics Email List Wiki is YOUR Wiki! It is only as useful as the content found within. The concept of the Wiki is that the people the use it and update it. If you've got an interesting procedure for doing something, MAKE A WIKI PAGE ON IT! You can even upload pictures. Saw something interesting at a flyin? MAKE A WIKI PAGE ON IT! Don't be shy, this is YOUR site to share information with others with similar interests. Here is a users guide on using the Wiki implemented at Matronics: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents This gives a lot of great information on how to get started editing pages. And finally, here is the URL for the Matronics Email List Wiki: http://wiki.matronics.com Brian Lloyd has written an excellent introduction to Wikis on the front page. I encourage you to read it over, then drill into the "Community Portal" and HAVE FUN!! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 22, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matronics BBS Forums
Hello Listers, I just wanted to send out a reminder to all of the Listers regarding the new-ish BBS (Bulletin Board System) Forums that are available at Matronics for the Email Lists. The BBS Forums give you Web-based access into the same email content that is generated by the Email Lists. When an email message is posted to any of the email lists, a copy of the message is also copied to the respective List forum section on in the BBS Forums. By the same token, when a message is posted within the BBS Forum interface context, it will also be posted to the respective email list. Basically, the BBS Forums give you yet another method of accessing the Matronics Email List content. Some people prefer email, some prefer web forums; now you can have it either way or both with the Matronics Lists! You'll have to register for a login/password on the BBS Forum to _post_ from the BBS, but you can view message content without registering for an account. To Register for an account, look for the link at the top of the main BBS Forum page entitled "Register". Click on it and follow the instructions. Site Administrator approval will be required (to keep spammers out), but I will try to get these approved in less than 24 hours. If you haven't yet taken a look at the Matronics Email List content over on the BBS Forum, surf on over and take a peek. Its pretty cool. The URL is: http://forums.matronics.com I want to stress that the BBS Forums are simply an adjunct to the existing Matronics Email Lists; another way of viewing and interacting with the Matronics List content. If you like Email, great. If you like Web Forums, great. If you like both, great. Its up to you how you view and create your content. You will also find a URL link at the bottom of this email called Matronics List Features Navigator. You can click on this link at any time to find URL links to all of the other great features available on the Matronics site like the Archive Search Engine, List Browse, List Download, FAQs, Wiki, and lots more. There is a specific Navigator for each Email List and the link for this specific List is shown below. Thanks for all the great list participation and support; it is greatly appreciated! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 29, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Two New Email Lists at Matronics and Wiki Reminder!
Dear Listers, I have added two new email Lists to the Matronics Line up today. These include a Continental engine List and a Lightning aircraft List: =========== continental-list(at)matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Continental-List Everything related to the Continental aircraft engine. Sky's the limit on discussions here. =========== =========== lightning-list(at)matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List This is an exciting new design from Arion Aircraft LLC in Shelbyville Tennessee. Pete Krotje has a very nice web site on the aircraft that can be found here: http://www.arionaircraft.com/ =========== Also, if you haven't checked out the new Matronics Aircraft Wiki, swing by and have a look. Remember, a Wiki is only as good as the content that the members put into it. Have a look over some of the sections, and if you've got some interesting or useful, please add it to the Wiki! Its all about YOU! :-) The URL for the Matronics Wiki is: http://wiki.matronics.com Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 03, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List Enclosure Support
Dear Listers, Over the years, I have resisted the urge to enable enclosure support on the Matronics Lists for a number of reasons relating to performance, capacity, capability, and security. However, its now 2006 and most everyone using email these days is on an email client that, at some level, supports the viewing and handling of enclosures. I get a fair amount of email each month from people on the various Lists asking why their posts of this or that picture didn't go through. Back quite a while ago by popular request, I enabled enclosure support for a few Lists such as the RV10-List, Kolb-List, and the Tailwind-List. Contrary to my fears, there really hasn't been any significant issues on these Lists relating to the advent of enclosure support and for the most part, members have policed themselves well with respect to the size of things they have posted. Having enclosures enabled on some Lists and not others has given me a fair amount of headaches with respect to filtering messages and content since the formats are often quite different between a typical MIME encoded message and a generic plain-text message. The spammers are getting more cleaver all the time and are constantly trying to thwart my best efforts at keeping them from posting to the Lists. So, for these reasons, I've have decided to go ahead and enable limited enclosure posting on all of the email Lists at Matronics. This will not only increase the utility of the Lists, but will afford me a better opportunity to filter out the chaff. Here are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics Lists: 1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists. 2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists. 3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site. 4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives. 5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature. 6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed: jpg, bmp, gif, txt, xls, pdf, and doc All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk. 7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down the process of posting the message !! Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists. 1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post 30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these folks and the rest of us, for that matter. 2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000 pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less. Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it! http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx Look for the link "Image Resizer" 3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother. And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even questionable. !! 4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and BE COURTEOUS! I hope everyone will enjoy the added functionality of enclosures. Please police yourself and use good judgement when posting messages with enclosures using the guidelines I've outlined above. Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Shinden33" <shinden33(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jun 18, 2006
Subject: Blue Mountain EFIS
Received: from barracuda.matronics.com (barracuda.matronics.com [64.81.74.21]) by matronics.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5J3s0xx009751; X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1150689238-15996-27-0 X-Barracuda-URL: http://64.81.74.21:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.64]) by barracuda.matronics.com (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP Received: from dialup-4.131.220.93.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([4.131.220.93] helo=onyx) by pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) , , , X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Blue Mountain EFIS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1150689240-6503-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Barracuda-Bayes: INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.1100 1.0000 -1.3333 INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.1100 1.0000 -1.3333;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.1100 1.0000 -1.3333;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.1100 1.0000 -1.3333;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.1100 1.0000 -1.3333;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.1100 1.0000 -1.3333 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at matronics.com X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: -1.33 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=-1.33 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=3.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=3.0 KILL_LEVEL=5.0 tests X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.02, rules version 3.0.15061 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 64.81.74.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1150689240-6503-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline All, Please excuse my intrusion but I was referred to your community for advice. I own Yak-52 and am considering adding a Blue Mountain EFIS/LITE gen 4 to my panel in favor of the current RMI. I need EHSI capability, which limits my options but have had mixed advice on the blue mountain unit. Can anyone impart some general knowledge, experiences, stories, etc? Best Regards, Scott Glaser Yak-52 ------------=_1150689240-6503-1 Content-Type: text/plain; name="trailer.txt" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="trailer.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Matt Dralle ------------=_1150689240-6503-1-- Matt Dralle ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark R Steitle" <mark.steitle(at)austin.utexas.edu>
Date: Jun 19, 2006
Subject: Blue Mountain EFIS
Scott, The Blue Mountain site has a message board where they post the good, the bad, and the ugly. Very few companies do that. That might be a good place to learn about the various BMA products. Mark S. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shinden33 Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 10:53 PM Received: from barracuda.matronics.com (barracuda.matronics.com [64.81.74.21]) by matronics.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5J3s0xx009751; X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1150689238-15996-27-0 X-Barracuda-URL: http://64.81.74.21:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.64]) by barracuda.matronics.com (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP Received: from dialup-4.131.220.93.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([4.131.220.93] helo=onyx) by pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) , , , X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Blue Mountain EFIS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1150689240-6503-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Barracuda-Bayes: INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.1100 1.0000 -1.3333 INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.1100 1.0000 -1.3333;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.1100 1.0000 -1.3333;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.1100 1.0000 -1.3333;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.1100 1.0000 -1.3333;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.1100 1.0000 -1.3333 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at matronics.com X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: -1.33 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=-1.33 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=3.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=3.0 KILL_LEVEL=5.0 tests X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.02, rules version 3.0.15061 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 64.81.74.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1150689240-6503-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline All, Please excuse my intrusion but I was referred to your community for advice. I own Yak-52 and am considering adding a Blue Mountain EFIS/LITE gen 4 to my panel in favor of the current RMI. I need EHSI capability, which limits my options but have had mixed advice on the blue mountain unit. Can anyone impart some general knowledge, experiences, stories, etc? Best Regards, Scott Glaser Yak-52 ------------=_1150689240-6503-1 Content-Type: text/plain; name="trailer.txt" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="trailer.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Matt Dralle ------------=_1150689240-6503-1-- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Delamarter, Jon" <JDelamarter(at)lycoming.textron.com>
Date: Jun 22, 2006
Subject: Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines
To All: I am new to the Matronics email list and would like to introduce myself. My name is Jon A. Delamarter. I hold an A&P license and a degree in aircraft maintenance from Spartan School of Aeronautics (Tulsa, OK). I have been married for more than my adult life (since 19) and have the world's most wonderful wife and the 4 most beautiful and intelligent daughters that God ever created. (My dog's pretty smart too.) I have about 50 hours of dual in my logbook but have not soloed due to a disagreement between me and Uncle Sam regarding my medical. As a certified airplane freak and airport bum, I might just hold some sort of record for "Most Types Flown Before Solo." I am particularly proud of the fact that I have T-6 aerobatic instruction on the first page of my logbook! My professional aviation career began upon graduation from Spartan on December 17, 1999. In the short 6 years since, I have enjoyed an unbelievably rewarding life. With the blessings of loving family support, an excellent education, and an absolute dedication to excellence, I have experienced career satisfaction and growth that I could not have imagined. If you love this business, it will be good to you! If you don't love it, get out. If I have learned one thing thus far, it is this: It's always about the people! I have no idea how many of you will read this email, but I want you to know something. You aviation folks are my family. I am proud and humbled to be part of you. Having said all that, and at the risk of sounding crassly commercial, I'd love to tell you folks about what I'm doing now. As of February 1st of this year, it has been my privilege to serve as manager of Lycoming's brand-new experimental hot-rod shop, Thunderbolt Engines. As you know, the absence of Lycoming's direct participation in the past has not prevented the dominance of our brand in the experimental market. We owe this not only to those designers who build their aircraft around our engine, but also and perhaps even more so, to the inherent reliability and simplicity of our engines. The bottom line is that, although many of you are willing to experiment with different aircraft designs and construction techniques, few have the desire to step away from the known quantity of a Lycoming engine. In recognition of this fact, Lycoming began a journey down a new road last year with the introduction of the kit program. This program is responsible for the influx of new experimental Lycoming based engines being sold by 6 shops across the country. With this move, Lycoming formally acknowledged the credibility of the custom engine for the common man. On April 5th of this year, at Sun-'n-Fun in Lakeland, FL, Lycoming made public the next step in its journey by unveiling Thunderbolt Engines. Thunderbolt Engines exists to provide homebuilders, race pilots, and competition aerobatic pilots with a factory engineered, factory built, factory supported, factory guaranteed custom engine. In the brief span of time since the announcement, we have been pleased to learn that the first reaction from most of our customers upon learning about Thunderbolt Engines is shock followed immediately by excitement. The most common comments have been something like, "I'm so glad you guys are finally doing this. I've been waiting a long time and really didn't expect it to happen." After recovering from their initial surprise, many builders have eagerly shared their ideas and concepts for customizing our engines. There are a significant number of builders who are willing to pay a fair price for a factory experimental engine. This core group understands the importance of supporting the customization process with proper and adequate engineering, quality, assembly, and testing protocol. Thunderbolt Engines is housed in the ATC (Advanced Technology Center) here at Lycoming. The ATC is still under development and will eventually consist of four build cells, static display areas, an aircraft integration laboratory, a customer/employee training facility, and offices. Once completed, the ATC will be available to you for tours and training. We are currently operational and are delivering engines. The intent is to construct a state-of-the-art facility Advancement. In plain English, we are creating, through the ATC, a knowledge pool. We encourage you to challenge us with your requests and ideas. We are discovering that many of our customers know a lot about our product. Through our involvement in the kit program, we have developed relationships with individuals and companies that have successfully and responsibly modified our engines for many years. Through our customer satisfaction surveys, we are gaining accurate, real-time Voice of the Customer (VOC) data. We have gained experience and customer exposure through our support of Reno racing and competition aerobatics. In addition, Lycoming has made significant additions to its engineering staff. These folks come from various backgrounds and bring fresh perspective and skills to the table. By leveraging the data gathered from all these resources, (customers, kit shops, customer surveys, racing/aerobatics, engineering, etc.), we are building the knowledge pool. This data not only accelerates our development technically, it also allows us to focus on developing those products that best fulfill the needs of the customer. The development of a Thunderbolt engine begins and ends with the Voice of the Customer. Many builders call us requesting pricing for a specific engine. While we certainly provide that information, we also attempt to glean as much information as possible regarding specific aircraft application and desired performance. From that data, we are frequently able to provide the builder with several options, some of which they may not have known existed. Through this process, we accomplish two things. First, we match the builder with a custom solution that best accomplishes their stated goal. Secondly, and equally important, we demonstrate our commitment to the customer's best interests, rather than pushing a particular product. Our customers have expressed a great deal of satisfaction with this process and have been quick to differentiate us from the competition in this regard. Thunderbolt Engines are currently segregated into three series: Signature, Extreme, and Competition. A Thunderbolt Signature Series Engine is differentiated from a certified, production engine in several ways. Like all Thunderbolt Engines, Signature Series engines are constructed in dedicated build cells by two man teams. In addition to being team built, Signature engines are internally balanced and will be configured to the customer's exact specifications. Items that may be customized range from major configuration changes such as crankcase or crankshaft to fuel systems, ignition systems, sumps, induction components, and turbocharging. Customers will also choose from appearance options such as engine color(s), chrome, etc. Billet aluminum components such as the prototype rocker covers displayed at Sun-'n-Fun are in development but not yet online. Representative of this series would be the engine built last year for Mike Melville, the world's first civilian astronaut. This engine was an O-360-A4M configured for updraft cooling and incorporating an experimental Ellison fuel system. Mike operates this engine in a Long-EZ. Thunderbolt Signature Series engines will receive a 2-year warranty. This is a real warranty with real value. Thunderbolt Extreme Series engines incorporate all the features of the Signature Series and continue to the next level in terms of performance upgrades. These items may consist of mildly increased compression ratio or boost levels, or other yet to be defined upgrades. Thunderbolt Extreme Series engines will receive a reduced warranty, due to the expected types of operational dynamics. Thunderbolt Competition Series engines incorporate all the features of the Signature and Extreme Series and continue to the maximum level of performance. These upgrades may consist of dramatically increased compression ratio or boost levels, water injection, and/or other yet to be defined upgrades. Representative of this group would be the engines built for Jon Sharp's Nemesis NXT and Mike Jones' Glasair III. Also representative of this group would be the engine we just shipped to Extra for the new Mike Goulian airplane. This engine is an AEIO-580-L1B5 with very special cylinders, pistons, and sparkplugs. Once fully broken in, we are expecting 340-350 hp @ 2700 RPM and 11:1 compression. Walter Extra reports unbelievable climb from an extremely smooth-running engine. Competition Series engines will be limited to highly experienced pilots and will require a signed agreement from the customer limiting his right to sell or change ownership of the engine. Any such change would require Lycoming's approval. The purpose of this constraint is to prevent the sale of a 340hp AEIO-580 to a 40hr. Cessna driver! These engines are all out performance machines, have no representation of reliability, and carry no warranty. Okay, enough for the blurb. Let's get down to brass tacks. At not quite 32 years of age, I am smart enough to know that I'm still wet behind the ears! I do not pretend to know everything there is to know about aircraft engines. However, I absolutely believe in Lycoming Engines and stand ready to support you in any way possible. I am here to serve as the conduit between you, the builder, and the full support of Lycoming's able staff of engineers, technicians, and support personnel. I want you to know that I share your enthusiasm for our sport and that I hope for the opportunity to speak to each of you. I will be at Arlington, Oshkosh, and Reno. Please drop by or contact me with your questions and ideas. I will make every attempt to answer your inquiry personally and in a timely fashion. Sincerely, Jon A. Delamarter Thunderbolt Manager Lycoming Engines (570)327-7115 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Gary Casey <glcasey(at)adelphia.net>
Date: Jul 21, 2006
Subject: Oil coolers for Lycomings
As I recall, there was a discussion on this list about the various types of oil coolers for Lycoming engines and their effectiveness. I have an IO-540 and I see that Aircraft Spruce sells Stewart Warner, Aero Classic (the one I bought), NDM and Positech. What was the result of the discussion? Gary Casey parallel-valve IO-540 with too-warm oil ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Date: Jul 31, 2006
Subject: Matronics Email List Web Server Upgrade Tonight...
Dear Listers, This evening I will be upgrading the Matronics Web Server hardware to a new Quad-processor 2.8Ghz Xeon system (yes, 4-physical CPUs!) with an Ultra 320 SCSI Raid 5 disk system and 5GB of DDR2 RAM. As with the older system, the new system will be running the latest version of Redhat Linux. Most of the software configuration work is already done for the migration, but I still have to sync all of the archive and forum data from the old system to the new system. I am anticipating about 2 to 3 hours of downtime for me to fully make the transition, although it could be considerable less if everything goes according to plan. The Matronics Webserver will be *UNavailable* from the Internet during the work, and you will receive a time-out if you try to connect during the upgrade. Email List Distribution will be *available* during the upgrade of the Web Server, and List message distribution will function as normal. This represents a significant performance upgrade for the Matronics Web Server and you should notice nicely improved searching and surfing performance following the upgrade! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 06, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: New Incoming Message Size Limit Implemented...
Dear Listers, Due to a number of requests to limit the size of incoming posts to the Lists because of the recently added enclosure feature, I have add a new filter that will limit the total size of any given message posted to the List. I have initially set the limit to 2MB and we'll see how everyone likes that. If a member attempts to post a message that is greater than the set limit, they will receive an email back indicating that their message wasn't posted to the List and why. Also included in the message will be the current size limit and how large their message was. Some might say that 2MB is still too large, but its a place to start... Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 29, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Comcast Was Blocking Matronics Email Lists...
Dear Listers (Specifically Comcast Listers), For about the last two days, Comcast was blocking incoming email from the Matronics Email Lists because their spam filters thought the mail was spam. I was that people on Comcast are receiving List messages again. If you are a Comcast user, you might want to email them and express your displeasure with their Spam blocking policy, particularly as it relates to "matronics.com". Sorry for the hassle... Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 01, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matronics Email List Fund Raiser - November!
Dear Listers, Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation and upgrade of the List services at Matronics. It's through these sole Contributions of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible. You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows on any of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as the Forums site ( http://forums.matronics.com ), Wiki site ( http://wiki.matronics.com ), or other related pages such as the List Search Engine ( http://www.matornics.com/search ), List Browse ( http://www.matornics.com/listbrowse ), etc. This is because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisments. During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every few days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. Each message will generally highlight a particular feature or benefit of the Matronics Lists or detail a new feature or service that was added this year. I ask for your patience and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages. The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all of the bills associated with running these lists. Once again, this year I've got a terrific line up of free gifts to go along with the various Contribution levels. Most all of these gifts have been provided by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics Lists and have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates. This year, these generous people include Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection (http://www.aeroelectric.com/), Paul Besing of Aeroware Enterprises aka Kitlog Pro (http://www.kitlog.com/), Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore (http://www.buildersbooks.com/), and Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/). These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related product line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, Paul, Andy, and Jon for their generous support of the Lists again this year!! You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods this year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying Contribution amount!! To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below: https://www.matronics.com/contribution I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral support over the years. I know it sounds a little cliche, but you guys really do feel like family. Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 03, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Have You Tried The New Matronics List Forum?
Hello Listers, One of the major new additions to the Matronics Email Lists this year was the addition of a new and full function Forum Web Site at: http://forums.matronics.com The best part of these new Forums is that they are tied directly to the Classic email distribution Lists! That also means that posts go in both directions. If you post a message on the Forum web site, it will be cross posted to the respective Email List. And, if you post a message to a particular Email List, it will be cross posted to the same respective forum on the Forum site! So, no matter what your content viewing pleasure is - either direct email distribution or web-based GUI interface, you can have it at the Matronics Email Lists! Won't you make a Contribution to support these Lists? It is your SOLE Contributions that make their continued operation and upgrade possible! The Contribution site is Fast, Easy, and Secure. Please surf over and make your Contribution today: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you!! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator _- _- _- _- _- _- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 06, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Wow, Cool! New List Feature... [Please Read]
Dear Listers, By popular suggestion, I've written a substantial new code module for the Matronics Email Lists system. Here's how it works... During each November, I send out quite a few PBS-like "Please make a Contribution to support your List" emails. Wouldn't it be cool if, once a member made a Contribution, they didn't have to receive my support pleas anymore for the rest of that year? Well, that's exactly what I've written! Following this posting, anyone that makes a List Contribution in 2006 will no longer receive my Contribution Pleas for the rest of the year! The best part is this not only applies to the Realtime distribution, but also the Digest distribution! For those that have made a Contribution, the Daily Digest email-version will be invisibly stripped of my requests as well! (Note that my requests will still be present in the online versions of the Digests, List Browse, and on the Forum site.) For those submitting their Contribution by personal Check, please be sure to include your email address along with your Check as this is what is used to determine eligibility. So, in a nutshell, here's how it works: Make a Contribution = No more "Please Make a Contribution" messages! How sweet is that? If that's not a great reason to jump on the Matronics Email List Contribution site and make your donation today, I don't know what is! Don't forget that there are some totally awesome free gifts to be had along with your List Contribution this year!! Don't wait a minute longer to support your Lists! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you for your Support!! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 08, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet!
:-) If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because you haven't yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! This is the first PBS-like funds drive message under the new distribution system. The new system selectively sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those that forgot to whip out the 'ol credit card this year to support the continued operation and upgrade of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you wish PBS worked that way? :-) You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support requests messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal email inbox! Pardon me if I seem kind of excited about the new feature. I've wanted to implement something like this for a number of years now, but it was always such a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing code, that I just kept putting it off. Finally this year, I just decided to bite the bullet and put the code-pounding time it to make it work. A few days later, bam! A working system! Anyway, I'll stop gushing now. I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to run a List Site like this. It also goes to pay for the Commercial-Grade Internet connection and to pay the rather huge electric bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered up. Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List site. I'm pretty sure you don't either. If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email Lists, please make a Contribution today to keep it that way!! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 08, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Clarification On New Contribution Module Operation...
Dear Listers, A number of Listers emailed and indicated that, even though they had made a Contribution this year, they still received the Contribution message yesterday. I looked into it and I found a slight anomaly (ok, bug) in the new code specifically as it related to Listers that had made their Contribution through PayPal AND have a DIFFERENT email address for their PayPal account and for their Matronics List subscription. If your PayPal account email address is DIFFERENT than the email address you are subscribed to the Matronics List(s) as, then my new code module couldn't tell that you had made a Contribution, since it was using the PayPal email address instead of the List email. I've fixed this issue for any new PayPal Contributions, but I don't have any easy way of resolving this for any of the previous Contribtuions. Again, this is ONLY an issue if your PayPal and Matronics List email addresses ARE NOT the same. Otherwise, everything works great. If you made a PayPal Contribution before 11/09/06 AND your email addresses don't match, please drop me an email at " info(at)matronics.com " (do not reply to this message!) and give me your Name, and both Email Addresses and I will manually update the records so that things will work as advertised. Sorry for the hassle! New code; new bugs... :-) To make a Contribution, please see: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administration ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 10, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Wiki...
Dear Listers, I added a new Wiki web site to the Matronics Email List features earlier this year. What's a Wiki, you ask? Well, here's the Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki) definition: A wiki (IPA: [ w .ki ] or [ wi .ki ] ) is a type of Web site that allows the visitors themselves to easily add, remove, and otherwise edit and change some available content, sometimes without the need for registration. This ease of interaction and operation makes a wiki an effective tool for collaborative authoring. The term wiki also can refer to the collaborative software itself (wiki engine) that facilitates the operation of such a Web site, or to certain specific wiki sites, including the computer science site (an original wiki), WikiWikiWeb, and on-line encyclopedias such as Wikipedia. Under the Matronics Email List Moniker, there is now a very nice List-specific Wiki available! It a place for Listers to put articles about any aviation topic that suits them. The purpose is to provide what the mailing lists do not: structure and persistence. The mailing lists are a fantastic resource to ask a question and get good (and bad and funny and annoying) answers. But once the question is asked and answered it is not in front of the List anymore. If a new person subscribes the next day, he/she does not see that information unless he/she goes to the trouble to search the archives, a hit or miss proposition. The result is that the same thread of conversation gets created and/or revisited. There are several things that happen as a result: 1. The person gets his or her question answered; 2. The information gets better as more people think about and answer the question; 3. The people who have seen the same question asked and answered get annoyed at seeing the same things over and over and over and ... So this is where the Wiki comes in. You know what questions you wanted answered. You may have asked or answered the question. You know the information is useful. So you put the information here, in the Matronics Email List Wiki! It doesn't matter that this information is 100% complete or correct. Just writing something creates a placeholder and makes useful information available immediately. It has the same immediacy as the mailing list but it has persistence and structure. But what if the information is incomplete or incorrect? No problem! Anyone else coming along can edit the article! If I write something and you discover something I have left out or stated incorrectly, you can fix it right then! So let's begin and make this the place for information about building, flying, maintaining, and understanding our airplanes. But what about whether something is "appropriate" or not? Don't worry. Write it down. Let the reader determine whether or not it is appropriate. If it is, he/she will read it. If it isn't, he/she won't. It's as simple as that. And when you do write that article you won't have to worry about whether some editor is going to decide whether or not to print it in a newsletter or whether the webmaster will have time to put it up on the web page. The last question I hear brewing out there is: if anyone can post anything, won't this just become a mass of garbage? Surprisingly, the answer is a resounding no. If you want proof, go visit the Wikipedia, a free-to-everyone encyclopedia written by whoever wants to write articles. The articles there are as good as anything I have read anywhere and anyone can add anything anytime they want to. So don't hesitate. Write it down. Put it here. It will never hurt anyone. The more information we get here, the more useful it will become to other people and the more information they will put here for YOU to use. Here's the URL to start (there are lots more bured under this starting place): http://www.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Matronics:Community_Portal But please don't forget that this Wiki and all of the other Matronics Email List features are supported solely by YOUR Contributions!! November is List Fund Raiser month and there are lots of Free Gifts to be had with your qualifying Contribution. Please make a Contribution to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great services!!! Thank you! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 13, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: WLAS [Please Read]
Dear Listers, I sat down at the 'ol computer tonight to have a look at a few of the nice comments List Members have been including along with their Contributions this year. I was amazed at how many I found and even more amazed at some of the very nice things Listers have been saying about the Lists and how valuable the they are to them. I've included quite a few of these nice comments below. Please read over some of this great Lister feedback. No doubt you will find that you agree with at least one or two of those comments - maybe all of them! If you find that do, won't you please make a Contribution to support these Lists today!! Its fast and easy with the Matronics List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Don't forget that I've now fully implemented the new *List Fund Raiser Squelch* feature that will automatically intercept any future iterations of my "Please Contribute" messages -- that is, *once you've made YOUR Contribution*! How cool is that? (Make sure the email address you enter along with your Contribution matches exactly your subscribed List email address. An exact match is how it works.) Thank you for your generous Contributions this year and for all the wonderful comments!! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ================= What Listers Are Saying (WLAS) ================ Absolutely the best deal on the Internet!! -Owen B I love The Matronics... -Robeto B My wife has her soaps & I've got my lists! -Hal B These lists are, indeed, the lifeline of our hobby. -Bob R The best source of information for my a/c. -Tony C The Zenith list is the first thing I read in the morning. -Herbert H You do more good than you can imagine. I wish I'd known about you while I was building my Kitfox, but you are still an after-the-fact resource. -Ben B ..an excellent site. -Ashley M The "List" has been the ultimate help for my Zenith CH 701 project!! -Brian U I appreciate the list being here for me. -Geoff H ..a great service. -William C The List continues to be an interesting and useful facility. -David M Your list is a constant goad to keep me working on my project. -Thomas S ..a great service. -Robert W The Pietenpol list is a great resource. -Benjamin W The Yak-list is Awesome! -James S ..great service. -Robert S The features you have implemented recently have you poised to knock out yahoo groups... -Danny D I like how your forum looks/works and the list service... -Ken E ..great service. -David P Very useful web site. -Wayne E ..a very valuable service. -Chris D Great sites... -Randall R I used to look at [that other] site also but it's gotten so cluttered with advertising that I've stopped looking at it. -Wayne E Without your services, the build would be a grope in the dark... -Fergus K The information and help I've received greatly outweighs the donation... -Lee P ..great service! -Christopher D I really don't think I could be building my plane without the wisdom I find on this list. -William G It really makes building a pleasure. -James P ..great service. -Doug W I'm getting near the end of my build (Europa tri XS) don't think I could have done it with out the help of the forum. -Stanislaus S Marvelous service. Couldn't have done it without you. -Jim G Love the list, this is a wonderful way to help others... -Michael S ..good service. -Derek L The list is responsible for helping me complete this project and educating me in the process. -Jeff D Definitely worth the donation. -Ron L ..great service to the aviation community. -Tony P I have been flying my plane for 5 years (RV-6) but I still get valuable information from this service. -Don N A very helpful site. -Roland S It's a great community to be part of. -David L Great sites. -John C A great place to find and share not only information but to meet people across the country and make lasting relationships. -Uncle Craig Great facility. -Peter H Its a great source of information! -Michael W Great improvements to the List... -Edward A Great service!!! -Rich D ..great resource! -William C ..excellent lists! -Michael S Couldn't have built my RV4 without the list. -Warren M ..a great service... -James N I would not have missed [the list] for anything during the building of my Europa. -Svein J ..another great year. -Robert D ..this [is an] essential builder's resource. -David A ..excellent service. -Gregory B I've learned a huge amount of "stuff" over the past year and look forward to it every day! -Smith M ..a great communication tool... -Jon M Finished building 5 years ago, but still are lurking on your great list! -Lothar K ..a valuable service. At 11:00 pm Matronics is the goto place for my RV questions. -Mike D ================= What Listers Are Saying (WLAS) ================ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: ROGG(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 13, 2006
Subject: Re: WLAS [Please Read]
please remove me from all your lists ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Neilekins(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 13, 2006
Subject: Re: WLAS [Please Read]
Please remove me from your lists > I am on the RV9 list and lancair list...Thank you Neil ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 15, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: LOC
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors (LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment tool as your typical magazine subscription! Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by popping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics PO Box 347 Livermore CA 94551-0347 I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 17, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List Value...
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least 0 or 0 worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription to some lame magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that same amount and get a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to think of it, you do... Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support YOUR Lists? Contribution Page: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively through YOUR generosity!! Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 20, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Why? [Please Read]
Dear Listers, Each year I like to explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity to express why I think the List Services here provide a superior experience over the commercial equivalents. I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell little-blue-pills or other garbage nobody wants or needs. From the comments I've received over the years regarding the Lists, the great majority of the members really appreciate the non-commercialism of my List systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once a year during November to encourage members to support the Lists. I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer many benefits over the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first feature I believe to be significant is that you cannot receive a computer v*rus from any of these Lists directly. Each incoming message is filtered and dangerous attachments stripped off prior to posting. I also provide a Photo and File Share feature that allows members to share files and bitmaps with other members and everyone can be assured that these files will be prescanned for any sort of v*rus before they are posted. Safe and simple. Another very important feature of this system in my opinion is the extensive List Archives that are available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives go all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the very fast Search Engine, the huge size of some of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly finding the data you're looking for. And added just this year is the new Email List Forum that allows members who prefer the Web BBS-style of List interaction. The beauty of the new List Forums is that they contain the exact same content that is distributed via email. Messages posted via email are cross-posted to the respective Forum and vice versa. The Forums also allow for another convenient method of sharing pictures and other files. Additionally added this year is the new List Wiki that allows members to build their own "Online List Encyclopedia" of sorts, documenting various aspects of their project for all to share. I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain since about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew and who where also building RVs. It has grown into nearly 70 different aviation-related Email Lists and an associated web site that receives over 23,000,000 hits each year!! Additionally, the List Email system forwarded well over 87,000 postings last year, accounting for an unbelievable 39,000,000 (yes, that's 39 MILLION) email messages delivered to Matronics List subscribers! I think there's a lot of value in supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and improving a high quality service all _without any advertising budget_! I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows in the quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email Message, Search the Archives, use the List Browser, or surf the Forums and Wiki sites. The Lists will be here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a while for free, that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate, and receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual List Fund Raiser! List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists...
Dear Listers, Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution too! The Contribution Site is fast and easy: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 24, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: More Great List Comments - Please Make A Contribution!
Dear Listers, There's a little less than one week left for this year's List Fund Raiser. I thought it would a great time to share a few more of the great comments I've been receiving from Contributors regarding what the Lists mean to them. There are some particularly poignant ones in this batch and I encourage you to have a look at some of them. Don't forget that once you make your Contribution, the Contribution Squelch kicks in and you won't receive any future messages from me regarding the Fund Raiser this year! This holds true for the Realtime and Digest distributions and now also the HTML and TXT links included with the Digest! (Note that for technical reasons, if someone replies to one of my contribution messages, the Squelch will _not_ be activated, and you will still receive it. Contribution messages will also still be found on the Forums site and the List Browse). Please make your Contribution today to support these List services! Pick up a great Gift too! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ============================= WLAS #2 ============================ Tackling my project without the List would be like building on a deserted island. The List has made me part of a learning (and laughing) community. -Larry W Thank you for providing such a fantastic resource for us Kolbers. I'm very happy to contribute towards keeping such a wonderful resource available. -Geoff T ..you do a great service for the flying community by providing this service. -John L ..solidly administered. -James C A great source of information. -Ralph S The Lists have likely saved a numbers of lives... -James F ..exceptional user service. -Larry W Better than a magazine! -Aaron G Thanks to your List I will be able to finish and fly my project. Without the help of the great people on your List I doubt it would have happened. -Ed G I learn something on a too regular basis thanks to these lists! -Ralph C ..valuable service. -John F ..a well administered service. -Stewart C Great forum! -Ronald C A great service! -Andy H Been reading the lists since my first RV in 1999. Good work and as necessary to me as a rivet. -Albert G The lists are a great help. -Gary S This resource has been critical to my building success so far. -Timothy F Great system and support! -Richard P Very helpful in the building my CH 701. -Ralph S Another year of entertainment and pleasure! -Larry B A great resource for all of us. -Larry W Another year of great service! Once again, the information is worth more than I can ever contribute. Thank you also for the "community" that the List fosters. I cannot tell you the number of times that seeing an friend's name come up has caused so many awesome memories to come flooding back - along with the eager desire to gather with these great guys again. I love hearing the beginner's enthusiasm, the builder's progress, and the flyer's success... -Robert B Our list has great info and I love reading the "Flame Posts! " -Stephen M Great service! -James B Excellent source of information. -David P You provide a very valuable service to the aviation community. -David H The RV related lists have been a tremendous help in the construction of my RV-7... -Norman R Awesome list!! -John E Great bunch of guys and very knowledgeable! -Herbert G Thank you for making it so easy to stay in touch with my fellow RV-10 builders. -David J I love the list and have been a reader for a long time. -James V Continues to be a great service! -George A Awesome List server. -Deke M Many of us would never finish our airplanes without [the List]. With it, I'm getting close! -Ronald C An excellent source of both information and inspiration! -William R Forums and format are easy to use. -Jack B Great help with my kit building. -Ralph H Super service. -Richard N Still loving it. -Jared S You have a fantastic web! -Harvey R ..a great service. -James M Glad you are there... -David A I get some great information on your list. -John P Fantastic service. Couldn't have made it as far as I have without it. -Stephen T A great learning experience with my RV-6A. -Ron B Great resources! -Jason H Well done. Very valuable. -Jeffrey D Great resource for the experimental aircraft community. -Chris H This List has been one of the most helpful tools in building my RV-10, since I build alone, and do not have any help readily available. Without the List, I could not have embarked on building my RV-10. -Jim H You run a great list there. -James H Really like the Kolb List. -Don W ============================= WLAS #2 ============================ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List of Contributors Coming Soon - Make Sure You're Listed!
Dear Listers, The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st I post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments, the List seems at least as valuable of a building/flying/recreating tool as a typical your magazine subscription! And how interactive is a magazine, after all? :-) Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by droping a personal check in the mail to: Matronics / Matt Dralle PO Box 347 Livermore CA 94551-0347 USA (Please include your email address on the check!) I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Who is "Matt Dralle" & What Are "The Lists"? [Please Read]
Dear Listers, Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists? Well, I've been working in the information technology industry for over 20 years primarily in computer networking design and implementation. I have also done extensive work in web development and CGI design during this period. I started the Matronics Email Lists back in 1990 with about 30 fellow RV builders from around the world. Since that time, I have added 63 other kinds of aircraft related Lists to the line up and numerous other List related services such as the Forums, Wiki, Archives and Search Engine just to name a few. For flexibility and reliability, I have chosen to run all of my own servers here locally. Other List-related systems include a 1 Gigabit, fully switched network infrastructure, a commercial-grade Netscreen firewall, a Barracuda spam filter, a local T1 Internet router, and a commercial-grade business T1 Internet connection with full static addressing. The computer servers found here include a brand new, quad-processor Xeon Linux server for List web services, a dual-processor Xeon Linux system dedicated to the email processing List functions, and another P4 Linux system serving as a remote storage disk farm for the archives, databases, and for an on-line hard drive-based backup system with 3.2 Terra Bytes of storage, soon to be upgraded to over 6 Terra Bytes! This entire system is protected by three large, commercial-grade uninterrupted power supply (UPS) systems that assure the Lists are available even during a local power outage! Speaking of power, imagine how much electricity it takes to run all of these systems. One month this Summer, I had a staggering $1368 bill for electricity alone! I recently upgraded all of the computer racking infrastructure including new power feeds and dedicated air conditioning for the room that serves as the Computer Center for the Matronics Email Lists. This year I added another rack to house the new MONSTER quad-processor web system that didn't quite fit into the first rack! Here's a composite photo of the List Computer Center before the addition of the second rack: http://www.matronics.com/MattDralle-ListComputerCenter.jpg As you can see, I take running these Lists very seriously and I am dedicated to providing an always-on, 24x7x365 experience for each and every Lister. But building and running this system isn't cheap. As I've stated before, I don't support any of these systems with commercial advertising on the Lists. It is supported 100% through List member Contributions! That means you... and you... and YOU! To that end, I hold a List Fund Raiser each November and ask that members make a small Contribution to support the continued operation and upgrade of this ever-expanding system. Its solely YOUR Contributions that keeps it running! Please make a Contribution today to support these Lists! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matronics / Matt Dralle PO Box 347 Livermore CA 94551-0347 USA (Please include your email address on the check!) Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Last "Official" Day Of The List Fund Raiser!
Dear Listers, Well, its November 30th and that means three things... 1) Today I am now officially 43 years old... (arg...) 2) It marks that last "official" day of the List Fund Raiser! 3) Its the last day I will be bugging everyone for a whole year! :-) If you use the Lists and enjoy the content and the no-advertising, no-spam, and no-censorship way in which they're run, please make a Contribution today to support their continued operation and upkeep. Your $20 or $30 goes a long way to further the List operation and keep the bills paid. I will be posting the List of Contributors next week, so make sure your name is on it! :-) Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution so far this year! It is greatly appreciated. List Contributions: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 08, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matronics Fund Raiser - 2006 List of Contributors
Dear Listers, I would like to thank everyone that made a Contribution in support of the Lists this year! It was really nice to hear all great comments people had regarding the Lists! As I have said many times before, running these Lists is a labor of love. Your generosity during the List Fund Raiser only underscores the great sentiments people have made regarding the Lists. If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser please feel free to do so. The nice List gifts will be available on the site for just a little while longer, so hurry and make your Contribution and get your great gift. Once again, the URL for the Contribution web site is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Paul Besing of Aeroware Enterprises ( http://www.kitlog.com ), Jon Croke of Homebuilt HELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric ( http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of merchandise. These are great guys that support the aviation industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their products. Thank you Andy, Paul, Jon and Bob!! Your support is very much appreciated! And finally, below you will find a web link to the 2006 List of Contributors current as of 12/7/06! Have a look at this list of names as these are the people that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you enough for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser! THANK YOU! http://www.matronics.com/loc/2006.html I will be shipping out all of the gifts in the next few weeks and hope to have everything out by the end of the month. In most cases, gifts will be shipped via US Postal Service. Kitlog Pro serial numbers should go out via email this weekend. Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
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Subject: **Message you sent blocked by our bulk email filter**
Date: Feb 10, 2007
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Date: Sep 08, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: New Realtime Spell Checker Added To Matronics Forums!
Dear Listers, Today 9/8/2007 I have added a new real-time spell checker function to all of the BBS Forums at Matronics. When you reply or create a new message on the Forums, you will notice that misspelled words will be high-lighted in yellow. If you left-click on the word, you will be prompted with a drop-down list of suggested spellings. http://forums.matronics.com Enjoy! Matt Dralle Matornics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bobby Freeman" <rfreeman505(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Optional Kits from Lancair
Date: Oct 04, 2007
I will start building my Legacy Kit at the factory Jan. 2008 and am wondering if the optional kits from Legacy are good values. I am considering the IO-550 (rebuilt 44K), Hydraulic and Fuel line kit ($3,200), and the Engine Fast Build Kit (12K). Any thoughts?? Thanks, Bobby ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Optional Kits from Lancair
Date: Oct 04, 2007
From: <longg(at)pjm.com>
lots of thoughts :) Bobby, Short background... I started my kit build in March of this year. I spent 2 weeks at the factory. Synopsis.. Lancair kits are well designed and well thought out. You will sometimes suffer from parts shortages because of vendor issues, but they work very hard and always produce a fine product. As noted you will pay a premium price for their goods, but rest assured, they will fulfill the order. Every time you need something they will have it right there, you just need to write a check. That said, there is a bit of reality when building a composite airplane. 1. If you don't plan to finish the airplane there in the prescribed 10 weeks, don't be in a hurry to spend your money. There is so much to building a Legacy you can work for a year or more and never spend a dime on more than the kit and some basic supplies etc. If that is the case, hold off on ordering the extras that will just sit around in your garage for a long time collecting rust and dust. Leave your money where it can work for you. 2. Starting a kit build is very exciting and naturally you want everything done yesterday. For good reason it does not happen that way. As you learn to work as they do you will discover things you need and don't need. After six months you may even find that the same fuel line can be bought at NAPA or from any number of web vendors at more competitive prices. I have even discovered that there are better ways than those prescribed in the plans. Lancair may also offer alternatives to problem/solutions. 3. If you are flush with green and want this thing done before cinco de Mayo day, then stay at the factory and buy their package (they will even install it for you almost free because the labor is sort of built into the price and of course because they are nice people). 4. The day you leave the factory your productivity will drop by about 1000%. You just can't keep that pace up on your own. Therefore ordering lots of things in advance is just like buying inventory to sit on the shelf. 5. Here is one option you will need to buy sooner than later. They will provide you with 2 very nice hardware kits which have one of each nut/bolt/washer you will need. The catch is not every hole in the design fits with every bolt in the box. Be sure you have two more of everything and buy sizes one up and down from what they give you. You will find your requirements will vary. It is also good to go to your hardware store and spend $50 on a lot of similarly sized nuts and bolts to use temporarily until you are sure you are ready to lock that bolt down and torque paint it - no going back (mentally anyway). 6. Keep your hardware well organized while working at the factory. That stuff walks away like you wouldn't imagine. When I was there they had 4-5 Legacy project going at once - man there is people and machinery flying everywhere. If Chris is still there request he is part of your team. He is a real detail person. You want Jeff to assist with your frame alignment and stub wing installation. That's his specialty. The shop tends to have a fairly high turnover, so lol. When I was there they had 3 Philippine interns which were fantastic at plastic work. Hopefully you will be so lucky . Hope that helps. -----Original Message----- From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Freeman Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:59 PM To: lancair-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Lancair-List: Optional Kits from Lancair I will start building my Legacy Kit at the factory Jan. 2008 and am wondering if the optional kits from Legacy are good values. I am considering the IO-550 (rebuilt 44K), Hydraulic and Fuel line kit ($3,200), and the Engine Fast Build Kit (12K). Any thoughts?? Thanks, Bobby ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike" <mlas(at)cox.net>
Subject: Optional Kits from Lancair
Date: Oct 05, 2007
Bobby, Some of what Lancair has to offer is a good value, others are not. If I had the chance I would ask you what your priorities are! First the Legacy is by far the easiest kit I have ever worked on. The most labor intensive part of the build is the wing center section, wing close out, tail alignment, canopy, system closeout (wires and sub systems), hydraulic lines, and sanding. If you do the first two weeks of factory build you will be left with system closeouts, hydraulic lines, and sanding and the major labor parts. The best part of the factory build is the use of their jigs, it saved more then six months vs. doing the jigging yourself.. The rest of the builder assist is just them building your airplane. One thing to consider is that the Lancair folks are under time pressures and want to work fast. When building an airplane moving fast equals weight. If you want it don fast then you have work hard to not allow process and parts to increase the weight of the airplane. For example, you brought up the hydraulic and fuel line kit. It sounds good on paper, fast and easy to install. Have you ever weighed a pre-built line vs. a hand made line? There are reasons for making hand built lines. The hand build lines equal, aprox. 1/10 the weight of the pre-built line, and there are lots of line in a Legacy. I have flown five different Legacy=92s and the weight differences can be dramatic. The heaviest Legacy that I have flown so far was 1780 pounds (without interior)and the lightest was 1520 pounds (with interior). My airplane is 1560 and the average is 1670. It takes a lot of time to make the lines, but it can be worth it. You will never be able to do the 10 week factory build with hand made line unless you stay up nights building them, that=92s why they have the kit. So if weight is not that important to you (it should be), then the kit will be fine. I went with a IO-550N engine from Performance engines out of California. Many Legacy owners have made this choice and to my knowledge they have been very happy. When I was looking at my options I reduced it down to Factory New, Factory Zero Time, Performance Engines (ported ,polished, 10:1, balanced, electronic ignition, dual alt.), Barrett Performance Engines (same opt. as Performance.) The price was the same or close for all listed except for the Zero time OH, that was cheaper. I work with the Red Bull Air Race folks and found that we have been using the Performance and Barrett engines in almost all the planes. The few problems we have had with the race planes have been from the other engines. Let me tell you, these racers are not kind to these engines and they have worked without issue for the past three years without major problems. I was sold! I now have 300+ hours on my engine and life is good. I am currently helping two other Legacy builders, let me know if you have any other questions. Mike mlas(at)cox.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Freeman Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:59 AM Subject: Lancair-List: Optional Kits from Lancair I will start building my Legacy Kit at the factory Jan. 2008 and am wondering if the optional kits from Legacy are good values. I am considering the IO-550 (rebuilt 44K), Hydraulic and Fuel line kit ($3,200), and the Engine Fast Build Kit (12K). Any thoughts?? Thanks, Bobby "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lancair-List"http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?Lancair-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com 10/2/2007 11:10 AM 10/2/2007 11:10 AM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Al Hamilton" <hamilton(at)twinwolf.net>
Subject: Optional Kits from Lancair
Date: Oct 05, 2007
Mike what electronic ignition system did you use. I have a 520 with mags and am interested in an upgrade. al ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike" <mlas(at)cox.net>
Subject: Optional Kits from Lancair
Date: Oct 05, 2007
Al, I have Dual the Light Speed Plasma III. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Al Hamilton Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Optional Kits from Lancair Mike what electronic ignition system did you use. I have a 520 with mags and am interested in an upgrade. al 10/2/2007 11:10 AM 10/2/2007 11:10 AM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike" <mlas(at)cox.net>
Subject: Optional Kits from Lancair
Date: Oct 05, 2007
Al, I have the dual Light Speed Plasma III. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Al Hamilton Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Optional Kits from Lancair Mike what electronic ignition system did you use. I have a 520 with mags and am interested in an upgrade. al 10/2/2007 11:10 AM 10/2/2007 11:10 AM "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lancair-List"http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?Lancair-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com 10/2/2007 11:10 AM 10/2/2007 11:10 AM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Steve Veach <steve.veach(at)mac.com>
Subject: Buying a partially complete kit
Date: Oct 13, 2007
Greetings all, I am a first time subscriber and new to the Lancair world although I have lusted after them in my heart for years. I have a deposit on one I found on Barnstormers but I need to verify the quality of the construction. This is a 360 MK II that Mark Meyers is selling. From the photos it appears to be exceptionally well constructed but who knows. I am looking for someone that knows Lancairs and composite construction to meet me in Moneta VA (Smith Mountain Lake) and look it over. I am working a list from EAA and may get someone off that. I would pay reasonable expenses. I'm in Memphis and would be coming up all or part way on US Air. Also if anyone kn ows anty of the history of this kit and would be willing to share it, that would be great. Thanks, Steve ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lancair-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/13/07
Date: Oct 14, 2007
From: darnpilot(at)aol.com
Steve: I just bought a Glasair III with 200 hours.? My first kit/home built airplane.? Even more so than a certified airplane, get a good pre-buy.? I had a cursory pre-buy done (in spite of my better judgement) and now am finding many items that need attention.? In the kit built world, the level of durability is much lower than your average certified airplane.? Much more has to be tweaked, re-torqued, replaced, and adjusted just to keep it safe.? The Glasair is one of the better kits, but even so, I'm finding the durability of a 200 hour airframe to be surprisingly fragile.? Remember (especially on composite airplanes) these are custom made, one-off creations, so no two are exactly alike.? Further, the expectations of (certified level) build technique should be dampened. Good luck. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Lancair-List Digest Server <lancair-list(at)matronics.com> Sent: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 2:56 am Subject: Lancair-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/13/07 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Lancair-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Lancair-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 07-10-13&Archive=Lancair Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 07-10-13&Archive=Lancair =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Lancair-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/13/07: 1 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:45 PM - Buying a partially complete kit (Steve Veach) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ From: Steve Veach <steve.veach(at)mac.com> Subject: Lancair-List: Buying a partially complete kit Greetings all, I am a first time subscriber and new to the Lancair world although I have lusted after them in my heart for years. I have a deposit on one I found on Barnstormers but I need to verify the quality of the construction. This is a 360 MK II that Mark Meyers is selling. From the photos it appears to be exceptionally well constructed but who knows. I am looking for someone that knows Lancairs and composite construction to meet me in Moneta VA (Smith Mountain Lake) and look it over. I am working a list from EAA and may get someone off that. I would pay reasonable expenses. I'm in Memphis and would be coming up all or part way on US Air. Also if anyone kn ows anty of the history of this kit and would be willing to share it, that would be great. Thanks, Steve ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike" <mlas(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Lancair-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/13/07
Date: Oct 14, 2007
Jeff, I understand your frustration, not all =93Composite=94 airplanes are created equal. You should know that the later variant of homebuilt composite airplanes are more akin to standards of certified like airplanes and in many cases better. But the point you make that these are homebuilt does lent to the fact that they are in fact one offs. I would also challenge you assumption that the =93Glassair is one of the better kits.=94 Don=92t confuse kit with airplane, they are very different! I have helped build two Glassairs and find by today=92s standard the Glassair to be a cruder kit but a fine airplane once the airplane is finished, if build well. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of darnpilot(at)aol.com Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 4:06 AM Subject: Lancair-List: Re: Lancair-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/13/07 Steve: I just bought a Glasair III with 200 hours. My first kit/home built airplane. Even more so than a certified airplane, get a good pre-buy. I had a cursory pre-buy done (in spite of my better judgement) and now am finding many items that need attention. In the kit built world, the level of durability is much lower than your average certified airplane. Much more has to be tweaked, re-torqued, replaced, and adjusted just to keep it safe. The Glasair is one of the better kits, but even so, I'm finding the durability of a 200 hour airframe to be surprisingly fragile. Remember (especially on composite airplanes) these are custom made, one-off creations, so no two are exactly alike. Further, the expectations of (certified level) build technique should be dampened. Good luck. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Lancair-List Digest Server <lancair-list(at)matronics.com> Sent: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 2:56 am Subject: Lancair-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/13/07 * Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive Today's complete Lancair-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Lancair-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: HYPERLINK "http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html &Ch apter 07-10-13&Archive=Lancair" \nhttp://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=htm l&C hapter 07-10-13&Archive=Lancair Text Version: HYPERLINK "http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt& Cha pter 07-10-13&Archive=Lancair" \nhttp://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt &Ch apter 07-10-13&Archive=Lancair ====================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive ====================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Lancair-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/13/07: 1 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:45 PM - Buying a partially complete kit (Steve Veach) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ From: Steve Veach <HYPERLINK "mailto:steve.veach(at)mac.com"steve.veach(at)mac.com> Subject: Lancair-List: Buying a partially complete kit Greetings all, I am a first time subscriber and new to the Lancair world although I have lusted after them in my heart for years. I have a deposit on one I found on Barnstormers but I need to verify the quality of the construction. This is a 360 MK II that Mark Meyers is selling. From the photos it appears to be exceptionally well constructed but who knows. I am looking for someone that knows Lancairs and composite construction to meet me in Moneta VA (Smith Mountain Lake) and look it over. I am working a list from EAA and may get someone off that. I would pay reasonable expenses. I'm in Memphis and would be coming up all or part way on US Air. Also if anyone kn ows anty of the history of this kit and would be willing to share it, that would be great. Thanks, Steve _____ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free HYPERLINK "http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/index.htm?nc id=AOLAOF00020000000970" \nAOL Mail! "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lancair-List"http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?Lancair-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com 10/2/2007 11:10 AM 10/2/2007 11:10 AM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Steve Veach <steve.veach(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: Lancair-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/13/07
Date: Oct 14, 2007
Thanks Jeff!! On Oct 14, 2007, at 6:05 AM, darnpilot(at)aol.com wrote: > Steve: > > I just bought a Glasair III with 200 hours. My first kit/home > built airplane. Even more so than a certified airplane, get a good > pre-buy. I had a cursory pre-buy done (in spite of my better > judgement) and now am finding many items that need attention. In > the kit built world, the level of durability is much lower than > your average certified airplane. Much more has to be tweaked, re- > torqued, replaced, and adjusted just to keep it safe. The Glasair > is one of the better kits, but even so, I'm finding the durability > of a 200 hour airframe to be surprisingly fragile. Remember > (especially on composite airplanes) these are custom made, one-off > creations, so no two are exactly alike. Further, the expectations > of (certified level) build technique should be dampened. > > Good luck. > > Jeff > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lancair-List Digest Server <lancair-list(at)matronics.com> > To: Lancair-List Digest List > Sent: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 2:56 am > Subject: Lancair-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/13/07 > > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Lancair-List Digest can also be found in either of > the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest > formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked > Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII > version > of the Lancair-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text > editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php? > Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 07-10-13&Archive=Lancair > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php? > Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 07-10-13&Archive=Lancair > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Lancair-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sat 10/13/07: 1 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 02:45 PM - Buying a partially complete kit (Steve Veach) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > From: Steve Veach <steve.veach(at)mac.com> > Subject: Lancair-List: Buying a partially complete kit > > > Greetings all, > > I am a first time subscriber and new to the Lancair world although I > have lusted after them in my heart for years. I have a deposit on > one I found on Barnstormers but I need to verify the quality of the > construction. This is a 360 MK II that Mark Meyers is selling. From > the photos it appears to be exceptionally well constructed but who > knows. I am looking for someone that knows Lancairs and composite > construction to meet me in Moneta VA (Smith Mountain Lake) and look > it over. I am working a list from EAA and may get someone off that. > I would pay reasonable expenses. I'm in Memphis and would be coming > up all or part way on US Air. Also if anyone kn ows anty of the > history of this kit and would be willing to share it, that would be > great. > > Thanks, > > Steve > > > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 01, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: November is Matronics Email List Fund Raiser Month!
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Date: Nov 04, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List Fund Raiser
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Date: Nov 07, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What Listers Are Saying...
November is Matronics List Fund Raiser month and a number people been sending some really nice comments regarding the Lists. I thought I'd share a few below. The Lists are completely supported by your Contributions. All of the bills for new hardware, connectivity, and electricity are paid by the generous support of the List members. Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation of the List and Forums: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ================= What Listers Are Saying ================ Flying and building is much safer with this List!! Robert D. Thanks for having and maintaining such a great resource to all of us builders and flyers. Wayne E. Love the fact that you haven't caved to advertising! Peter J. ..a great resource!! Robert C. Not building at the moment, but the Lists keeps me right up to date with what's going on. Chris D. The web forum has been running great. James O. I enjoy this [List] site very much... Paul C. This is a great list! Albert G. ..a valuable resource! Roger C. I am deployed to Pakistan right now, and being able to go on-line and keep up with the aircraft discussions helps keep the aircraft building dream alive in my mind! Gregory C. ..fantastic service! Roger M. ..clearly a work of passion! Mike C. It is a great service to us! Kevin C. The list is a wonderful resource... Ralph O. [The Lists] have been the single greatest resource in building my RV-9A and now my RV-10. Albert G. ..a valuable and always improving service. Dick S. STILL THE BEST BARGAIN AROUND!! Owen B. ..such a valuable tool. Jon M. [The Lists] have been an invaluable resource for me as a Zenith homebuilder. David G. The opportunity to meet (on line at least) many other interesting builders and to make some new friends is truly appreciated. Albert G. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 09, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet!
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Date: Nov 11, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Post Mortem - Matronics List Pummeled By Spam...
Dear Listers, Over a 3-day period, Thursday 11/8 though Saturday 11/10, the Matronics Lists were pummeled with over 450,000 spam emails causing posting delays and a few duplicate messages. Yeah, I really said nearly half a million spams! The good news is that I don't believe a single one of them actually made it to the Lists thanks to the aggressive List filtering code and the Barracuda spam filter. The bad news was that it caused quite a back log of email messages starting Friday and continuing until late Saturday when I noticed that delivery seemed a bit sluggish. By about 11pm on Saturday night, I had managed to get the backlog cleared out of the spam filter by temporarily adjusting some of the filtering. A check of the queues this morning, and everything looks like its working great and there are no incoming filtering delays and spam levels appear to be back to "normal". There were a number of people asking what was going on, so I thought that I'd send out a follow up post mortem on the event... November is the annual List Fund Raiser. Your contribution directly enables me to buy systems like the Barracuda spam filter that keep the List free of that garbage. Please make a contribution to support your Lists! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 13, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List of Contributors
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors (LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment tool as your typical magazine subscription! Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by popping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics PO Box 347 Livermore CA 94551-0347 I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 15, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Value of the List...
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least 0 or 0 worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription to some lame magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that amount and get a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to think of it, you do... :-) Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support the Lists? Contribution Page: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively through YOUR generosity!! Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 18, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists...
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great List services!! And pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution too! The Contribution Site is fast and easy: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 20, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [Please Read] Why I Have A Fund Raiser...
Dear Listers, Each year I like to explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity to express why I think the List Services here provide a superior experience over the commercial equivalents. I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell little-blue-pills or other garbage nobody wants or needs. From the comments I've received over the years regarding the Lists, the great majority of the members really appreciate the non-commercialism of my List systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once a year during November to encourage members to support the Lists. I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer many benefits over the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first feature I believe to be significant is that you cannot receive a computer v*rus from any of these Lists directly. Each incoming message is filtered and dangerous attachments stripped off prior to posting. I also provide a Photo and File Share feature that allows members to share files and bitmaps with other members and everyone can be assured that these files will be prescanned for any sort of v*rus before they are posted. More recently, I have enabled limited posting of a number of file formats including pictures and PDFs. Another very important feature of this system in my opinion is the extensive List Archives that are available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives go all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the very fast Search Engine, the huge size of some of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly finding the data you're looking for. And added just a couple of years ago is the new Email List Forum that allows members who prefer the Web BBS-style of List interaction. The beauty of the new List Forums is that they contain the exact same content that is distributed via email. Messages posted via email are cross-posted to the respective Forum and vice versa. The Forums also allow for another convenient method of sharing pictures and other files (http://forums.matronics.com ). Additionally, added recently is the List Wiki that allows members to build their own "Online List Encyclopedia" of sorts, documenting various aspects of their project for all to share ( http://wiki.matronics.com ). I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain since about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew and who where also building RVs. It has grown into nearly 70 different aviation-related Email Lists and an associated web site that receives over 34,000,000 hits each year!! Additionally, the List Email system forwarded well over 77,000 postings last year, accounting for an unbelievable 33,000,000 (yes, that's 33 MILLION) email messages delivered to Matronics List subscribers! I think there's a lot of value in supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and improving a high quality service all _without any advertising budget_! I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows in the quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email Message, Search the Archives, use the List Browser, or surf the Forums and Wiki sites. The Lists will be here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a while for free, that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate, and receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual List Fund Raiser! List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What Are You Thankful For...?
Dear Listers, Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous feasts of plenty and giving thanks for many blessings that have been bestowed upon us. Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists. One of my favorite kind of comments is when write to me and says something like, "Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!". That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning to check my List email!! Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for their continued operation and upgrade? The List Contribution Site is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you in advance for your kind consideration, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 24, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Comments
Dear Listers, Below are a few more of the nice comments Listers have been making along with their Contributions in support of the Lists this year. Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these services. Remember, there is _no advertising budget_ to keep these Lists funded. It is solely through your generosity that they continue. Please make a Contribution: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ------------------------------What Listers Are Saying------------------------------ The list has been invaluable in the building of my Zenith CH701. George R Thanks for keeping the lists a non-commercial venue for us to gather and share knowledge. Neal G What a fantastic resource! Ralph C It's a pretty cheep troubleshooting tool with and unlimited resource of personal knowledge. Bruce G A full house of Info & Ideas... Ellery B I really enjoy the Piet list. Steven D The Lists are an indispensable resource for those of us building OBAM aircraft. Bret S ..a great service. Frank D ..all in all it is a great resource if you ask specific questions. Richard S Your list has really helped me in my first build. Michael W Always a pleasure to support this great resource... Richard W I enjoy the lists very much, they are very beneficial. Bob L Great place to chat with other builders and Flyers. Ellery B Your lists are a great service to builders and owners! Richard D A real good place for someone that is starting to get interested into flying without investing any money at first. Ellery B The list has been an great help to my building process. David B I'm close to finishing my Zenith 601 thanks to you and the Zenith List. Jeff D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published
Dec 1! Dear Listers, The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st I post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments, these Lists seems at least as valuable of a building/flying/recreating tool as a typical your magazine subscription! And how interactive is a magazine, after all? Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matronics / Matt Dralle PO Box 347 Livermore CA 94551-0347 USA (Please include your email address on the check!) I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________


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