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From: Daniel DW <ddw55(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: News???
Date: Jun 16, 2008
Hi Clive, any plans for your maidenflight yet? Regards Danny _________________________________________________________________ Gratis chat, gratis blog, gratis fototool, gratis....dankzij Windows Live http://get.live.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: News???
Date: Jun 17, 2008
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
I got the insurance though yesterday and applied for the ANO 52 exemption (foreign registered homebuilt) to fly straight away. She should be legal to leave the ground next week. Stan, the test pilot is ready to fly up in his RV8 (engine overhaul completed last week). So is all falling into place, all we need now is some fair weather and I should be posting a few of those take off and fly by pictures before the end of the month! Regards, Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel DW Sent: 16 June 2008 21:49 Subject: Lightning-List: News??? Hi Clive, any plans for your maidenflight yet? Regards Danny ________________________________ Gratis chat, gratis blog, gratis fototool, gratis.... Windows Live <http://get.live.com> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Daniel DW <ddw55(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: News???
Date: Jun 17, 2008
That is really good news. We are progressing very well with the repair of my Esqual and are awaiting the engine mount that I ordered with Pete Krotje. Engine is ready for installation and so are all the firewall forward parts. Regards Danny > Subject: RE: Lightning-List: News???> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:20:05 +01 00> From: clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com> > --> Li ghtning-List message posted by: "James, Clive R" > > I got the insurance though yesterday and applied for the ANO 52> exemption (foreign registered homebuilt) to fly straight away. She> should be legal to leave the ground next week. Stan, the test pilot is> ready to fly up in his RV8 (engine overhaul completed last week). So is> all falling into plac e, all we need now is some fair weather and I> should be posting a few of t hose take off and fly by pictures before the> end of the month!> > Regards, Clive> > -----Original Message-----> From: owner-lightning-list-server@mat ronics.com> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel> DW> Sent: 16 June 2008 21:49> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com> Su bject: Lightning-List: News???> > > Hi Clive,> > any plans for your maidenf light yet?> > Regards> > Danny> > > ________________________________> > Gra tis chat, gratis blog, gratis fototool, gratis.... Windows Live> <http://ge -======================== ========> > > _________________________________________________________________ Even niet achter je PC? Neem je Messenger mee op je gsm! http://www.windowslivemobile.msn.com/nl-be ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington(at)q.com>
Subject:
Date: Jun 17, 2008
Hello everyone. I understand some Lightning builders have installed removable tie down eyelets on their airplanes. Does anyone have info on how to do this? Thanks for your help. Gary Pennington ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: New wing tip cost.
Date: Jun 17, 2008
To group, The wing tips cost is $495.00 with the kit or if you send back a set of unused in new condition standard tips. Other wise the cost of the wing tips is $595.00. Most if not all who were interested in the new tips have not used their originals this is why we originally posted $495.00 as the cost, sorry for any misunderstanding. Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft, LLC ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 17, 2008
From: <cjk129(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: htning-List:
I would be interested too. Colin K. Lightning #52 (under construction) ---- GARY PENNINGTON wrote: > Hello everyone. > > I understand some Lightning builders have installed removable tie down eyelets on their airplanes. Does anyone have info on how to do this? > > Thanks for your help. > > Gary Pennington ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 17, 2008
From: "JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" <lbmathias(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: htning-List:
Ditto for me! Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: <cjk129(at)cox.net> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 4:36 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: > > I would be interested too. > > Colin K. > Lightning #52 (under construction) > > > ---- GARY PENNINGTON wrote: >> Hello everyone. >> >> I understand some Lightning builders have installed removable tie down >> eyelets on their airplanes. Does anyone have info on how to do this? >> >> Thanks for your help. >> >> Gary Pennington > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG. 4:30 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: need some chatter here
Date: Jun 20, 2008
I guess everyone is still pondering the accident and there has been little to talk about. I have some questions and would like to see some talk going on as I am moving foward with my project. 1. Has anyone come up with a good tie down method for the lighting? 2. Which side did you all put your wing light and why? 3. How much drag do you think the wing light produces? 4. I hope to get the base of the air speed unit flush with the bottom of the wing. This should help reduce some drag. Every little bit helps. 5. Who all are going to Oshkosh? Tex ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Peter and Jan Disher" <pjdisher(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Tie down points - 3 pictures for you
Date: Jun 21, 2008
Hi Tex, just a few shots as to what I did, bent some 1/8 angle and fixed them to the main spar in the area of the aileron bell crank, and used SS "I" bolts. Pete D VH-PDI Kit #30 You have been sent 3 pictures. IMG_5584.JPG IMG_5586.JPG IMG_5049.JPG These pictures were sent with Picasa, from Google. Try it out here: http://picasa.google.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Tie down points - 3 pictures for you
Date: Jun 21, 2008
Peter,real nice Idea,I will copy this one. Must have been fun getting those bolts thru the spar through the hole. Tez ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter and Jan Disher To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 4:50 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Tie down points - 3 pictures for you Hi Tex, just a few shots as to what I did, bent some 1/8 angle and fixed them to the main spar in the area of the aileron bell crank, and used SS "I" bolts. Pete D VH-PDI Kit #30 You have been sent 3 pictures. IMG_5584.JPG IMG_5586.JPG IMG_5049.JPG These pictures were sent with Picasa, from Google. Try it out here: http://picasa.google.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Ly\ngley Lightning - two more
Date: Jun 22, 2008
Last two ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Langley Lightning
Date: Jun 22, 2008
Well everyone, I am finished short of a few very small items to clean up. I thought you guys would like a sneak peek of my Lightning.. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steven Sundquist" <sttwig(at)wabroadband.com>
Subject: Ly\ngley Lightning - two more
Date: Jun 22, 2008
Very nice, Jim! Congratulations on a job well done. Steve Kit #48, 33% done, 99% to go. _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:52 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Ly\ngley Lightning - two more Last two ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 22, 2008
From: Sales Email Account <sales(at)billandruth.net>
Subject: Re: Langley Lightning
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From: IFLYSMODEL(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 22, 2008
Subject: Re: Langley Lightning
Great Job. Jim. Has it flown yet? Lynn Nelsen **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Langley Lightning
Date: Jun 22, 2008
Its Fantsatic Jim, really looks cool. Tex ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Langley Lightning
Date: Jun 22, 2008
Thanks guys.. "Has it flown yet?" No, not yet. I don't have time to get it inspected until after the 4th of July holiday. Then we will fly. From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of IFLYSMODEL(at)aol.com Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Langley Lightning Great Job. Jim. Has it flown yet? Lynn Nelsen _____ Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars <http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007> . ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tie down points - 3 pictures for you
From: "pequeajim" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 22, 2008
Nice Peter. What did you do for the tail? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189135#189135 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 22, 2008
From: Sales Email Account <sales(at)billandruth.net>
Subject: Finish Paint
Jim, Very nice paint job! :-) Would like to know more about the paint process that was used, what kind of paint, done in paint both or what and how long it took. Did you do it or contract it out? Did you do the prepaint prep, i.e. sanding, filling and priming or did someone else do it? Thanks for the info. Bill Applegate, Tucson, AZ with kit #49. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Peter and Jan Disher" <pjdisher(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: rear hold down bolt - 3 pictures for you
Date: Jun 23, 2008
Yes Jim, one photo I forgot to take, this is what I did. Pete D You have been sent 3 pictures. IMG_5600.JPG IMG_5598.JPG IMG_5597.JPG These pictures were sent with Picasa, from Google. Try it out here: http://picasa.google.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Finish Paint
Date: Jun 22, 2008
The paint job was done by the painter that works for Green Landings. I believe the paint he used was DuPont Impron. He can really do the job in about two weeks, but you have to time things properly to get those results. Generally, it takes around a month. He does good work. I have learned a few things during the process, and to do it the next time, (which I will), I will do a couple of things differently. I'll fly this one around a bit and then start on my next Lightning and sell mine. I really enjoy the building. Jim! From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sales Email Account Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 5:51 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Finish Paint Jim, Very nice paint job! :-) Would like to know more about the paint process that was used, what kind of paint, done in paint both or what and how long it took. Did you do it or contract it out? Did you do the prepaint prep, i.e. sanding, filling and priming or did someone else do it? Thanks for the info. Bill Applegate, Tucson, AZ with kit #49. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: paint job
Date: Jun 22, 2008
Jim, how about a picture of the wing tip? tex ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: paint job
Date: Jun 22, 2008
Tex, I am using the original wing tip. Jim! From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:50 PM Subject: Lightning-List: paint job Jim, how about a picture of the wing tip? tex ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Exhaust trimming?
Date: Jun 23, 2008
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
My Esqual, as of today, is now 100% legal to fly (and finished). Tomorrow an experienced test pilot will do the first few flights and then convert me over (I hope). Hopefully I should have some flying pics tomorrow. One question that Esqual and lightning folk can help me with. I have the single downpipe on the 3300, see attached, how much of it can I cut off without getting a stained underside on the fuselage?. Danny how is it over in Belgium? Did you get your engine mount from Pete yet? Jim, very impressive colour scheme, wasn't sure about the orange from the tail pictures but on the full aircraft it works really well. I need some stripes on my vanilla Esqual. Also building again so soon! My wife has said I have to have some time off before the next one, something about a new bathroom..... Regards to all, Clive UK Esqual #1 (#39) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Daniel DW <ddw55(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Exhaust trimming?
Date: Jun 23, 2008
Hi Clive, wish you all the best for tomorrow. My plane is at the paintshop this week. Engine mount should be shipped this week (hopefully). I have the engine and all the rest is ready to be mounted again. I hope the cowling will still fit. Kind regardsDanny > Subject: Lightning-List: Exhaust trimming?> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:27: My Esqual, as of today, is now 100% legal to fly (and finished). > Tomorrow an experienced test pilot will do the first few flights and> then convert me over (I hope).> Hopefully I should have some flying pics tomorrow.> > On e question that Esqual and lightning folk can help me with. I have the> sin gle downpipe on the 3300, see attached, how much of it can I cut off> witho ut getting a stained underside on the fuselage?.> > Danny how is it over in Belgium? Did you get your engine mount from Pete> yet?> > > Jim, very impr essive colour scheme, wasn't sure about the orange from> the tail pictures but on the full aircraft it works really well. I need> some stripes on my v anilla Esqual. > Also building again so soon! My wife has said I have to ha ve some time> off before the next one, something about a new bathroom.....> > Regards to all, Clive > UK Esqual #1 (#39) _________________________________________________________________ Even niet achter je PC? Neem je Messenger mee op je gsm! http://www.windowslivemobile.msn.com/nl-be ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Exhaust trimming?
Date: Jun 23, 2008
Lol! Yes, I will have to take care of some HoneyDo list items before I start again as well. Good luck today! -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James, Clive R Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:28 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Exhaust trimming? My Esqual, as of today, is now 100% legal to fly (and finished). Tomorrow an experienced test pilot will do the first few flights and then convert me over (I hope). Hopefully I should have some flying pics tomorrow. One question that Esqual and lightning folk can help me with. I have the single downpipe on the 3300, see attached, how much of it can I cut off without getting a stained underside on the fuselage?. Danny how is it over in Belgium? Did you get your engine mount from Pete yet? Jim, very impressive colour scheme, wasn't sure about the orange from the tail pictures but on the full aircraft it works really well. I need some stripes on my vanilla Esqual. Also building again so soon! My wife has said I have to have some time off before the next one, something about a new bathroom..... Regards to all, Clive UK Esqual #1 (#39) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Posted updates
Date: Jun 23, 2008
If you want to follow my progress, you can see it at www.jimslightning.com After my bird has passed its inspection and I am flying and not building, I plan on going back and expanding the site to be more of a Lightning general support site with build help and cool links. I have been collecting your best ideas over the past year, just waiting for this time. I should start updating in a couple of months. Jim! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: luigit(at)freemail.it
Subject: Esqual 100%
Date: Jun 23, 2008
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From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 23, 2008
Subject: Re: need some chatter here
In a message dated 6/20/2008 9:14:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wb2ssj(at)earthlink.net writes: I guess everyone is still pondering the accident and there has been little to talk about. I have some questions and would like to see some talk going on as I am moving foward with my project. 1. Has anyone come up with a good tie down method for the lighting? 2. Which side did you all put your wing light and why? 3. How much drag do you think the wing light produces? 4. I hope to get the base of the air speed unit flush with the bottom of the wing. This should help reduce some drag. Every little bit helps. 5. Who all are going to Oshkosh? Tex, Pete, and all listers. Right on, it has been quite on the list. I have been very busy with other projects, but at the moment am back in SYI to try out the new wing tips on the prototype and probably do some more prop testing on the new Demo. Nick has put quite a bit of time on the new tips, but just wants me to see what I think. I certainly trust his judgement, but any invitation to fly a Lightning is a wonderful thing. Flight out here today was good with only some light showers near Knoxville. Made the entire flight at 6,500 and used a slightly different technique for the flight. Normally I set the fuel flow I want and accept the rpm and tas that gives me. In the past I have set 6 gph and that (at 8 to 10 thousand feet) usually gives me something like 170 mph tas and the rpm will be around 3050 to 3100. My engine cools well at those numbers so that kind of became my XC technique. Now with fuel being a little more costly I have started trying some new techniques. Today at 6,500 feet for the entire flight I just set 2950 rpm and the resultant indicated fuel flow was something like 5.7 gph. I have my fuel flow transducer set slightly on the conservative side, so I knew I was actually burning a little less than that. True airspeed for the flight varied from 152 mph for the first hour and then gradually went up to 158 by the end of the flight as I got lighter. After the flight the calibrated fuel flow based on start up at JGG to shut down at SYI was 5.5 gph. My ground speed (with a steady 20 knots on the nose for the entire flight) from start of TO roll to shut down was 138 mph. Factor in the 20 knots on the nose and you come up with the 158 mph that I was seeing while in flight. Now some comments on your other points: 1 - As always, Pete Disher has come up with a good idea for the tie down. However, I think one improvement would be to weld the nut onto the metal bracket and then just screw in the eye bolts when you need a tie down. That way no drag in flight. 2 - My airplane had a light on each wing. One is taxi and one is landing. The only difference is the angle that the actual lights are mounted on the wing. In the taxi position one light shines down the runway and the other shines closer to the area in front of the airplane. Of course on final with the landing attitude the closer light shines a little further down the runway. Works for me, but I don't seem to fly as much at night as I used to. I am finding out that sometimes "dark air has no lift". 3 - Probably very little - less than a mph. They will add some weight, but then everything that you add, adds weight. 4 - Good work. Send us photos for the newsletter when you can. 5 - I will be at Oshkosh, and like most years quite early for my work in vintage show plane registration and camping. In past years they wanted me there at least a week early, but my most recent request from them is 10 days early this year. I will likely try to arrive 18 July. We need to have at least one get together at the Lightning display area and also we all need to attend Nick's Lightning forum. I have that info written down, but not with me at the moment. The July newsletter will be out in about a week and will have that info. Blue Skies, Buz **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Peter and Jan Disher" <pjdisher(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: need some chatter here
Date: Jun 24, 2008
Yes Buz, that would be a good improvement, screwing in the eye bolts only when needed, would be easy to do. I do enjoy reading about your frequent reports on your flying trips, gives us a very good insight as to your technique and understanding this aircraft, I'm just looking forward to the day at getting airborne. Thanks and keep those reports coming, Pete D ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: need some chatter here In a message dated 6/20/2008 9:14:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wb2ssj(at)earthlink.net writes: I guess everyone is still pondering the accident and there has been little to talk about. I have some questions and would like to see some talk going on as I am moving foward with my project. 1. Has anyone come up with a good tie down method for the lighting? 2. Which side did you all put your wing light and why? 3. How much drag do you think the wing light produces? 4. I hope to get the base of the air speed unit flush with the bottom of the wing. This should help reduce some drag. Every little bit helps. 5. Who all are going to Oshkosh? Tex, Pete, and all listers. Right on, it has been quite on the list. I have been very busy with other projects, but at the moment am back in SYI to try out the new wing tips on the prototype and probably do some more prop testing on the new Demo. Nick has put quite a bit of time on the new tips, but just wants me to see what I think. I certainly trust his judgement, but any invitation to fly a Lightning is a wonderful thing. Flight out here today was good with only some light showers near Knoxville. Made the entire flight at 6,500 and used a slightly different technique for the flight. Normally I set the fuel flow I want and accept the rpm and tas that gives me. In the past I have set 6 gph and that (at 8 to 10 thousand feet) usually gives me something like 170 mph tas and the rpm will be around 3050 to 3100. My engine cools well at those numbers so that kind of became my XC technique. Now with fuel being a little more costly I have started trying some new techniques. Today at 6,500 feet for the entire flight I just set 2950 rpm and the resultant indicated fuel flow was something like 5.7 gph. I have my fuel flow transducer set slightly on the conservative side, so I knew I was actually burning a little less than that. True airspeed for the flight varied from 152 mph for the first hour and then gradually went up to 158 by the end of the flight as I got lighter. After the flight the calibrated fuel flow based on start up at JGG to shut down at SYI was 5.5 gph. My ground speed (with a steady 20 knots on the nose for the entire flight) from start of TO roll to shut down was 138 mph. Factor in the 20 knots on the nose and you come up with the 158 mph that I was seeing while in flight. Now some comments on your other points: 1 - As always, Pete Disher has come up with a good idea for the tie down. However, I think one improvement would be to weld the nut onto the metal bracket and then just screw in the eye bolts when you need a tie down. That way no drag in flight. 2 - My airplane had a light on each wing. One is taxi and one is landing. The only difference is the angle that the actual lights are mounted on the wing. In the taxi position one light shines down the runway and the other shines closer to the area in front of the airplane. Of course on final with the landing attitude the closer light shines a little further down the runway. Works for me, but I don't seem to fly as much at night as I used to. I am finding out that sometimes "dark air has no lift". 3 - Probably very little - less than a mph. They will add some weight, but then everything that you add, adds weight. 4 - Good work. Send us photos for the newsletter when you can. 5 - I will be at Oshkosh, and like most years quite early for my work in vintage show plane registration and camping. In past years they wanted me there at least a week early, but my most recent request from them is 10 days early this year. I will likely try to arrive 18 July. We need to have at least one get together at the Lightning display area and also we all need to attend Nick's Lightning forum. I have that info written down, but not with me at the moment. The July newsletter will be out in about a week and will have that info. Blue Skies, Buz ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 6/23/2008 7:16 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: IFLYSMODEL(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 24, 2008
Subject: Re: need some chatter here
Hey Buz: I am scheduled to come to SYI to finish my Lightning on 7 July. I am hoping to pick it up on the 27 th on my way back from the Ercoupe conventi on. Hopefully, I will have more comments then. I can hardly wait to have my own. You said " My ground speed (with a steady 20 knots on the nose for the entire flight) from start of TO roll to shut down was 138 mph. Factor in the 20 knots on the nose and you come up with the 158 mph that I was seeing while in flight. " If the wind speed was 20 knots, wouldn't the actual air speed (in mph) be higher? Did you mean to say the wind was a steady 20 mph? I expect to build in the light sport category, so I will not be seeing these speeds, but it still interests me greatly. N13LN should be back from the paint shop soon. Maybe it will be there before you leave SYI. Tailwinds always. Lynn Nelsen **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: EAFerguson(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 24, 2008
Subject: Lynn's Lightning
In a message dated 6/24/2008 7:38:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, IFLYSMODEL(at)aol.com writes: I expect to build in the light sport category, Lynn, I hope you are using the new wing tips so you won't have to use the VGs. While I haven't flown one with the new tips, I expect them to prove a significant improvement, Earl Ferguson **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 24, 2008
Subject: Re: need some chatter here
In a message dated 6/24/2008 7:38:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, IFLYSMODEL(at)aol.com writes: You said " My ground speed (with a steady 20 knots on the nose for the entire flight) from start of TO roll to shut down was 138 mph. Factor in the 20 knots on the nose and you come up with the 158 mph that I was seeing while in flight. " If the wind speed was 20 knots, wouldn't the actual air speed (in mph) be higher? Did you mean to say the wind was a steady 20 mph? I expect to build in the light sport category, so I will not be seeing these speeds, but it still interests me greatly. Hi Lynn, Well, I thought that was what I did say. I calculated the ground speed (138 mph) by dividing the miles I flew by the time it took to get there. 553 miles divided by 4 hours = 138.25. The wind direction and speed as well as the true airspeed I mentioned was what I was reading in flight on the Grand Rapids EFIS. Maybe I am confused as to what you are asking. As to building to meet light sport standards, you will still get some impressive numbers, particularly fuel flows when you get the airframe, engine, and prop all working together. What I mean by that is that you may need to try different carb jets to get everything working efficiently together. Good instrumentation and good data gathering will let you refine the set up to get the best results. I will only be in SYI until Wednesday, but hopefully your airplane will show up from the paint shop while I am here. Wayne and Nel are here and expect to have their inspection on Thursday evening. Their paint job and colors used, which Nel designed, looks great. It is overall silver with red and blue trim (like the new Demo) put the primary trim color is red verses the blue on the demo. Another good looking Lightning. Buz **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: UK Esqual pics
Date: Jun 25, 2008
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
Well she flies, some stability issues and the trim is taking some time to set up, I have the manual trim (no servo) and it's not simpler as I hoped, also I have to add the tabs to the elevator as the plan is unstable in pitch. Aside from that the rest is good, a small list of snags but nothing that can't be fixed. Off to the airfield with my bag of spanners. Regards, Clive ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 25, 2008
Subject: Re: UK Esqual pics
Congratulations, Clive. Great looking photos. Does the manual trim system still use the bungees? If so, that is probably why you are having "some stability issues". The bungees make you think you have pitch stability issues because as you slow down the bungee pulling for up elevator becomes "more effective" as you have less airflow over the elevator. Makes the airplane continue to want to pitch up as you slow down. At cruise speeds you have very little need for trim because the bungees kind of keep things "in trim" but you often need to trim opposite to what you would expect - meaning slowing down may take down trim to maintain level flight instead of up trim and vice versa for speeding up. Unless the "test pilot" understands the above he will think the airplane is neutral to slightly unstable in pitch. So there is really just minor trim required during cruise speeds until you lower flaps. Then you will probably need full up trim because of the pitch down moment as the flaps go down. My other complaint with the bungee trim system is that you constantly have to adjust the tension on the bungees as any temperature change results in more or less elasticity in the bungee. Age changes the elasticity as well (the bungees age, not yours). Again, congratulations on getting you airplane in the air. It looks great. Blue Skies, Buz **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 25, 2008
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: UK Esqual pics
Very nice Clive... Can I post a couple of pictures of your airplane on my web site? Jim! On 6/25/08, N1BZRich(at)aol.com wrote: > > Congratulations, Clive. > Great looking photos. Does the manual trim system still use the bungees? > If so, that is probably why you are having "some stability issues". The > bungees make you think you have pitch stability issues because as you slow > down the bungee pulling for up elevator becomes "more effective" as you have > less airflow over the elevator. Makes the airplane continue to want to > pitch up as you slow down. At cruise speeds you have very little need for > trim because the bungees kind of keep things "in trim" but you often need to > trim opposite to what you would expect - meaning slowing down may take down > trim to maintain level flight instead of up trim and vice versa for speeding > up. Unless the "test pilot" understands the above he will think the > airplane is neutral to slightly unstable in pitch. So there is really just > minor trim required during cruise speeds until you lower flaps. Then you > will probably need full up trim because of the pitch down moment as the > flaps go down. My other complaint with the bungee trim system is that you > constantly have to adjust the tension on the bungees as any temperature > change results in more or less elasticity in the bungee. Age changes the > elasticity as well (the bungees age, not yours). > Again, congratulations on getting you airplane in the air. It looks great. > Blue Skies, > Buz > > > ------------------------------ > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars<http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007> > . > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: UK Esqual pics
Date: Jun 25, 2008
Clive, We have done many hours of flight testing with the esqual and lighting, with both aircraft having either the bungee trim and the electric servo tab on the elevator. I can tell you that if your cg is good (if you don't mind sending your numbers) than the issue is certainly with the bungee and the current trim. Like I said we have probably got 40-50 hours of flight testing on this subject alone and it appears to be the bungee system. Take a look at www.flylightning.net/Owners.htm and look at section 6 for flap and trim motor install, note the section for the electric servo operated tab, this will certainly make your aircraft feel and fly correctly. Nick -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James, Clive R Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:59 AM Subject: Lightning-List: UK Esqual pics Well she flies, some stability issues and the trim is taking some time to set up, I have the manual trim (no servo) and it's not simpler as I hoped, also I have to add the tabs to the elevator as the plan is unstable in pitch. Aside from that the rest is good, a small list of snags but nothing that can't be fixed. Off to the airfield with my bag of spanners. Regards, Clive ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: first Flight
Date: Jun 25, 2008
To Group: I believe a new Lightning has parted ways with the earth. Reports are in from the great white north, with the snow gone and the water going else where that Bill Browns piloted his ship for a while last night from H&S aviation in WI. I hope we get a bit of a pilot report from him soon. Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft, LLC ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Elevator Trim
From: "jeynon" <jeynon2(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jun 25, 2008
I have recently received the new trim system for my Lightning to replace the bungee trim, but I am confused about how to balance the elevator. Is the balance bungee still used? John Eynon Lightning kit #53 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189775#189775 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Elevator Trim
Date: Jun 25, 2008
The bungee system is eliminated completely. Nick -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jeynon Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:40 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Elevator Trim I have recently received the new trim system for my Lightning to replace the bungee trim, but I am confused about how to balance the elevator. Is the balance bungee still used? John Eynon Lightning kit #53 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189775#189775 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 25, 2008
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: first Flight
Nice! Congrats... On 6/25/08, flylightning wrote: > > To Group: > > > I believe a new Lightning has parted ways with the earth. Reports are in > from the great white north, with the snow gone and the water going else > where that Bill Browns piloted his ship for a while last night from H&S > aviation in WI. I hope we get a bit of a pilot report from him soon=85 > > > Nick Otterback > > Arion Aircraft, LLC > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: UK Esqual pics
Date: Jun 25, 2008
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
Sure Jim, sorry the flying pics are bit fuzzy, they were taken off a video. The best picture I have is attached though I know she needs some stripes. Regards, Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: 25 June 2008 13:40 Subject: Re: Lightning-List: UK Esqual pics Very nice Clive... Can I post a couple of pictures of your airplane on my web site? Jim! On 6/25/08, N1BZRich(at)aol.com wrote: Congratulations, Clive. Great looking photos. Does the manual trim system still use the bungees? If so, that is probably why you are having "some stability issues". The bungees make you think you have pitch stability issues because as you slow down the bungee pulling for up elevator becomes "more effective" as you have less airflow over the elevator. Makes the airplane continue to want to pitch up as you slow down. At cruise speeds you have very little need for trim because the bungees kind of keep things "in trim" but you often need to trim opposite to what you would expect - meaning slowing down may take down trim to maintain level flight instead of up trim and vice versa for speeding up. Unless the "test pilot" understands the above he will think the airplane is neutral to slightly unstable in pitch. So there is really just minor trim required during cruise speeds until you lower flaps. Then you will probably need full up trim because of the pitch down moment as the flaps go down. My other complaint with the bungee trim system is that you constantly have to adjust the tension on the bungees as any temperature change results in more or less elasticity in the bungee. Age changes the elasticity as well (the bungees age, not yours). Again, congratulations on getting you airplane in the air. It looks great. Blue Skies, Buz ________________________________ Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars <http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007> . href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: UK Esqual pics
Date: Jun 25, 2008
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
Wow thanks Buz (and Nick), I was about ready to look for a length of hemp (for me not the plane). I fully understand what you are explaining. I was also compounding the problem as I was tightening the system up so the 'more effective' bit was getting worse and the stability was getting worse. In fact the stability issue was only mentioned after I tightened the trim up. Tomorrow we'll fly without trim and then only add what we need. I will, for sure, be in the market for the RC Allen system. What's the delivery? Thanks for the help and the encouragement, Regards, Clive......:-))) -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich(at)aol.com Sent: 25 June 2008 12:56 Subject: Re: Lightning-List: UK Esqual pics Congratulations, Clive. Great looking photos. Does the manual trim system still use the bungees? If so, that is probably why you are having "some stability issues". The bungees make you think you have pitch stability issues because as you slow down the bungee pulling for up elevator becomes "more effective" as you have less airflow over the elevator. Makes the airplane continue to want to pitch up as you slow down. At cruise speeds you have very little need for trim because the bungees kind of keep things "in trim" but you often need to trim opposite to what you would expect - meaning slowing down may take down trim to maintain level flight instead of up trim and vice versa for speeding up. Unless the "test pilot" understands the above he will think the airplane is neutral to slightly unstable in pitch. So there is really just minor trim required during cruise speeds until you lower flaps. Then you will probably need full up trim because of the pitch down moment as the flaps go down. My other complaint with the bungee trim system is that you constantly have to adjust the tension on the bungees as any temperature change results in more or less elasticity in the bungee. Age changes the elasticity as well (the bungees age, not yours). Again, congratulations on getting you airplane in the air. It looks great. Blue Skies, Buz ________________________________ Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars <http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007> . ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Colin J. Kennedy" <cjk129(at)cox.net>
Subject: UK Esqual pics
Date: Jun 25, 2008
Congratulations Clive. It's been a long road! Colin K. OK Lightning # 52 under construction. http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James, Clive R Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:59 AM Subject: Lightning-List: UK Esqual pics Well she flies, some stability issues and the trim is taking some time to set up, I have the manual trim (no servo) and it's not simpler as I hoped, also I have to add the tabs to the elevator as the plan is unstable in pitch. Aside from that the rest is good, a small list of snags but nothing that can't be fixed. Off to the airfield with my bag of spanners. Regards, Clive ________________________________________________________________________________
From: EAFerguson(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 25, 2008
Subject: Re: Elevator Trim
In a message dated 6/25/2008 12:43:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jeynon2(at)verizon.net writes: I have recently received the new trim system for my Lightning to replace the bungee trim, but I am confused about how to balance the elevator. Is the balance bungee still used? I recently added the new trim tab system and it's a tremendous improvement, but pitch control forces were a little heavy. So - I just added a single 1/2" bungee loop using the old connection on the elevator pushrod. Flew for the first time today for ~ 1.0 with some touch & goes. I need less up trim on TO and landing. About 2 spaces down on the indicator for TO. Before I added the bungee, full up trim left me with noticeable up stick force on final. Now that is gone. I don't even feed in full up on the trim tab. One flight, 3 landings; not a significant data base, but tentative results are favorable. Your experience may be different. I have no way of measuring the applied bungee force. Do be careful and make your first trials on a long, wide runway. Don't ask me to define long and wide, but if you're flying out of 1000' unpaved, I suggest you go somewhere else before connecting the bungee for the first time. My home field is 5700' by 100' Has anybody else tried this? Earl Ferguson N17EF Atlanta **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: UK Esqual pics
Date: Jun 25, 2008
That will work fine, thanks! -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James, Clive R Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 3:31 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: UK Esqual pics Sure Jim, sorry the flying pics are bit fuzzy, they were taken off a video. The best picture I have is attached though I know she needs some stripes. Regards, Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: 25 June 2008 13:40 Subject: Re: Lightning-List: UK Esqual pics Very nice Clive... Can I post a couple of pictures of your airplane on my web site? Jim! On 6/25/08, N1BZRich(at)aol.com wrote: Congratulations, Clive. Great looking photos. Does the manual trim system still use the bungees? If so, that is probably why you are having "some stability issues". The bungees make you think you have pitch stability issues because as you slow down the bungee pulling for up elevator becomes "more effective" as you have less airflow over the elevator. Makes the airplane continue to want to pitch up as you slow down. At cruise speeds you have very little need for trim because the bungees kind of keep things "in trim" but you often need to trim opposite to what you would expect - meaning slowing down may take down trim to maintain level flight instead of up trim and vice versa for speeding up. Unless the "test pilot" understands the above he will think the airplane is neutral to slightly unstable in pitch. So there is really just minor trim required during cruise speeds until you lower flaps. Then you will probably need full up trim because of the pitch down moment as the flaps go down. My other complaint with the bungee trim system is that you constantly have to adjust the tension on the bungees as any temperature change results in more or less elasticity in the bungee. Age changes the elasticity as well (the bungees age, not yours). Again, congratulations on getting you airplane in the air. It looks great. Blue Skies, Buz ________________________________ Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars <http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007> . href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Elevator Trim
Date: Jun 25, 2008
Earl, I replaced the stock bungee with the new trim tab. While I have not flown it yet, I did have a question about what to leave in place with the old system. Perhaps Nick or Buz could answer this one. I believe we took everything out, but of course the bungee attachments are still on the pushrod. Jim! From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of EAFerguson(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 7:47 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Elevator Trim In a message dated 6/25/2008 12:43:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jeynon2(at)verizon.net writes: I have recently received the new trim system for my Lightning to replace the bungee trim, but I am confused about how to balance the elevator. Is the balance bungee still used? I recently added the new trim tab system and it's a tremendous improvement, but pitch control forces were a little heavy. So - I just added a single 1/2" bungee loop using the old connection on the elevator pushrod. Flew for the first time today for ~ 1.0 with some touch & goes. I need less up trim on TO and landing. About 2 spaces down on the indicator for TO. Before I added the bungee, full up trim left me with noticeable up stick force on final. Now that is gone. I don't even feed in full up on the trim tab. One flight, 3 landings; not a significant data base, but tentative results are favorable. Your experience may be different. I have no way of measuring the applied bungee force. Do be careful and make your first trials on a long, wide runway. Don't ask me to define long and wide, but if you're flying out of 1000' unpaved, I suggest you go somewhere else before connecting the bungee for the first time. My home field is 5700' by 100' Has anybody else tried this? Earl Ferguson N17EF Atlanta _____ Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars <http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007> . ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Elevator Trim
From: "jeynon" <jeynon2(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jun 26, 2008
I expect that the weight of the unbalanced elevator would be equivalent to nose down trim requiring a certain amount of nose up trim to compensate. The weight of the elevator pushing down is always the same while the aerodynamic forces acting on the elevator and its trim tab increase with speed, so at higher speeds less compensation is needed. In either case I would think the additional trim requirements would add to drag. I like Earl's approach of keeping enough "up bungee" to balance the elevator, but worry that that might retain some of the issues addressed with the new system. When it comes to flight test time, I am fortunate to have a quiet 8000' by 150' runway available. [quote="EAFerguson(at)aol.com"]In a message dated 6/25/2008 12:43:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jeynon2(at)verizon.net writes: > I have recently received the new trim system for my Lightning to replace the bungee trim, but I am confused about how to balance the elevator. Is the balance bungee still used? > I recently added the new trim tab system and it's a tremendous improvement, but pitch control forces were a little heavy. So - I just added a single 1/2" bungee loop using the old connection on the elevator pushrod. Flew for the first time today for ~ 1.0 with some touch & goes. I need less up trim on TO and landing. About 2 spaces down on the indicator for TO. Before I added the bungee, full up trim left me with noticeable up stick force on final. Now that is gone. I don't even feed in full up on the trim tab. One flight, 3 landings; not a significant data base, but tentative results are favorable. Your experience may be different. I have no way of measuring the applied bungee force. Do be careful and make your first trials on a long, wide runway. Don't ask me to define long and wide, but if you're flying out of 1000' unpaved, I suggest you go somewhere else before connecting the bungee for the first time. My home field is 5700' by 100' Has anybody else tried this? Earl Ferguson N17EF Atlanta Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189919#189919 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pete" <pete(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: FW: Ready for Inspection
Date: Jun 26, 2008
-----Original Message----- From: Pete [mailto:pete(at)flylightning.net] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 4:01 PM Subject: Ready for Inspection Wayne Lenox's new Lightning getting ready to fill gas tanks and start engine before inspection tonight. Pete ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 26, 2008
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: FW: Ready for Inspection
Very nice! Wingtips look great. Do you have a head on view showing the painted wingtips? On 6/26/08, Pete wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pete [mailto:pete(at)flylightning.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 4:01 PM > To: 'lightning-list(at)matronics.com' > Subject: Ready for Inspection > > Wayne Lenox's new Lightning getting ready to fill gas tanks and start > engine > before inspection tonight. > > Pete > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 26, 2008
Subject: Re: Elevator Trim
The new trim system is designed to completely replace all bungees. Also, the new trim tab was sized (after many test flights) so as to completely trim off all pressures during all phases of "cruise" flight. However, when you lower the flaps, you are now flying a different wing - a different airplane. The trim tab size will trim off most of the nose down pressures when using up to 30 degrees of flaps and when at 65 to 70 mph on final and when close to gross weight. If the aircraft is lighter (more forward CG), or if you are slower, or if you have more than 30 degrees of flaps you will not have quite enough up trim. But again, this was done intentionally and designed that way. It is no problem to fly it as set up at any allowable weight and CG. The reason it is set up that was is if you trimmed off all pressures and have to make a last minute go around, you are going to have to really push forward on the stick to keep the airplane from really wanting to climb away from you and possibly stall. It can be a hand full on a last minute go around with all pressures trimmed off. With the relatively slow trim motor it is going to take some time to trim off these pressures during the go around and you could have your hands full. Adding a bungee back into the system will acerbate the problem with a last minute go around (making the airplane want to climb even more at slow speeds) in addition to causing the aircraft to feel as if it is neutrally or slightly unstable in pitch during normal cruise operations. That is exactly why the bungee system was done away with. The new system makes the airplane easier to fly, especially on long flights and it is certainly easier to maintain. The slightly heavy elevator feel on final with flaps down is only a slight out of trim condition, certainly well within the design limits of the airplane. So bottom line, now you know why the system is designed like it is. With the many test hours that Nick and I have flown it on both the prototype and the new 2008 demonstrator, we have tested about all the conditions and found that the current set up is the best for all possible in-flight situations. If you don't believe me, just read the upcoming September issue of KitPlanes magazine and see what a PHD in aeronautical engineering that used to teach at the Navy test pilot school at PAX River had to say about the new trim system. But forget what he says in the article about "killing snakes" - heck, he was a Navy pilot that flew heavies. :-) Blue Skies, Buz PS: I am writing this because I know just how busy Nick is at the moment. When you read the July newsletter due out in a day or so, you will kind of get a feeling just why and how busy he is. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 26, 2008
Subject: July Newsletter and other ramblings
All, If you have been reading the Lightning email list recently you probably figured out that I was back home in Virginia from my most recent trip to Tennessee. The purpose of the trip was to fly the prototype with the new wing tips and that report will be in the next newsletter. Also, the newsletter has a write up on my recent flight eval in the new 2008 demo. Hope everyone will give me some feedback on the newsletter. I flew home yesterday morning, fully expecting to have at least a 20 knot tailwind since that is the amount of headwind that I dealt with on the trip out there. Well, not so fast Buzman, even though the forecast winds showed I would have at least 10 to 12 knots of tailwind, it really didn't work out that way. During my initial climb to 7,500 feet I was seeing about 10 on the tail, but when I leveled off at 7,500, that tail wind changed to mostly a cross wind from the left. After waiting for a few minutes, I decided that going higher was the thing to do to find the tail wind, so up to 9,500 I went, only to find 5 to 8 knots of head wind. Bummer. Back down to continue the flight at 7.5K with now tailwind help. Actually about two hours into the 3+20 trip the cross wind finally started to change to a tail wind and the last hour of so gave me initially 8 then later 12 knots of tailwind. Here are the actual numbers from this trip. Speed measured from taking the runway to turning off the runway at home was 168 mph. I ran the engine at 6.0 gph and the actual fuel flow from engine start to engine shut down worked out to 6.05 gph. I would have expected it to be a little closer to 5.8 which is what I normally see, but the extra climb to 9.5 probably took some of that fuel. Also, my more normal cruise altitude when I see the 5.8 would be up closer to 10,000. Any way, your mileage may vary, and probably does. At the end of this trip N31BZ now has 462.5 hours total time and again I can report that I have had no engine issues other than normal maintenance - oil and filter changes, new plugs every 100 hours, head torques and valve adjustments as specified by the engine manual, and I also changed out the plug wires, rotors and caps at about 250 hours. The current engine manual just calls for them to be changed on condition and looking back at how mine looked then, they are probably good for at least 500 hours or so, especially if you change plugs at 100 hours as I do. Airframe wise, 31BZ has had no real issues. I still have some gear leg shimmy at around 25 to 27 mph. I currently have aluminum V angles clamped to the gear legs and that has helped some but not solved the problem. Before the V angles the shimmy was worse and occurred at 22 to 23 mph on most landings (except on grass). I am still running the original relatively cheap 500X5 tires that i bought to use on the airplane (yes they do have 462.5 hours on them and still have some tread) but will likely change to Goodyear Flight Custom llls with a 6 ply rating at my next annual in December. Some of you (Jim Goad and Linda Mathias) have had good results switching to the heavier and higher quality tires. The July newsletter is in draft format and is currently being proofed by Linda. It is another long one (28 pages I think) and thus I will send it to Pete and Jim Langley for them to each post it on their web sites. As soon as I get the list of typos and changes that Linda finds, I will make the corrections and send out a message that you can go to the respective web sites to read or down load. That is what I did for the last issue and no one complained. Also this one is obviously too long to send it through matronics. Blue Skies, Buz PS: You had better be planning your Oshkosh trip. Be there, aloha. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Elevator Trim
From: "jeynon" <jeynon2(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jun 26, 2008
Thanks for your response Earl, and your explanation Buz. I'll strip her bare and go from there. It's all theory until she flies. John Eynon Lightning kit #53 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189988#189988 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 26, 2008
Subject: Re: Elevator Trim
In a message dated 6/26/2008 7:22:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jeynon2(at)verizon.net writes: It's all theory until she flies. Hey John, I like your analogy. And you are exactly right. That is the neat thing about EAB aircraft - you are the builder and you can build them the way you want. All of them are different in some way, so as you said, its all theory until yours flies. When you get a chance, send me some updates and photos on your build and I will get it in a future newsletter. You never know, something you write might just be the spark that ignites someone's fuse and gets them started building their Lightning. Then "kaboom", someone else has set their hair on fire and is now building their own airplane. That's what happened to my hair - several airplanes ago. Blue skies, buz **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark Stauffer" <mark(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Another signed off and ready to fly
Date: Jun 26, 2008
This evening at 1830 central time, Wayne Lenox was given his Special Airworthiness Certificate by our local DAR. If the weather cooperates tomorrow we should have another Lightning in the sky. Congratulations to Wayne and Nel. Mark ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Another signed off and ready to fly
Date: Jun 26, 2008
Send lots of pictures. I would love to see one or two in flight pics with those new wingtips! Jim! From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Stauffer Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:39 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Another signed off and ready to fly This evening at 1830 central time, Wayne Lenox was given his Special Airworthiness Certificate by our local DAR. If the weather cooperates tomorrow we should have another Lightning in the sky. Congratulations to Wayne and Nel. Mark ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Another signed off and ready to fly
Date: Jun 26, 2008
Just taxied her in from the photo shoot at 900 ( N123WL waynes new plane) and the landing/taxi light works great..the wing tips are a lot longer and I have to think when I taxi at night!!! Nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Stauffer Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 6:39 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Another signed off and ready to fly This evening at 1830 central time, Wayne Lenox was given his Special Airworthiness Certificate by our local DAR. If the weather cooperates tomorrow we should have another Lightning in the sky. Congratulations to Wayne and Nel. Mark ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Brian Whittingham <dashvii(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: July Newsletter and other ramblings
Date: Jun 27, 2008
Buz, I've got a couple articles for a future newsletter that I'll send to you in a couple of weeks when I get a chance to look back over them. Bria n W. _________________________________________________________________ The i=92m Talkathon starts 6/24/08.- For now, give amongst yourselves. http://www.imtalkathon.com?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnMore_GiveAmongst ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pete" <pete(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: July Newsletter and other ramblings
Date: Jun 27, 2008
The July Newsletter is posted at www.flylightning.net <http://www.flylightning.net/> Pete ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 27, 2008
Subject: July Newsletter is "Up and Flying"
Lightning Group, The latest Arion Hangar Talk (the Lightning Newsletter) is now posted at both the Lightning Web site (_www.flylightning.net_ (http://www.flylightning.net) ) and at Jim Langley's site (_http://www.jimslightning.com/html/newsletters.html_ (http://www.jimslightning.com/html/newsletters.html) ). The featured article is a flight evaluation / report on the new 2008 demo, plus an update on the new wing tips. There is also a new section called "Technical Tips". Take a look at this and see if you think the info presented is "right on target". As always, I really appreciate any and all feedback (both positive of negative) with the thought that is the way to keep the newsletter informative. Actually I already have one feedback that it is too long this month. Linda continues to do an outstanding job of proof reading for us and believe me when I say her many hours of effort to correct the newsletter are worth big bucks. Without her work you would be seeing many many typos, misspelled words, and other typical fighter pilot grammar. So once again, a salute to Linda for outstanding work, well above the "call of duty". Now read the newsletter and give me some feedback (and some articles to publish). Blue Skies, Buz **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kayberg(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 27, 2008
Subject: Re: July Newsletter is "Up and Flying"
In a message dated 6/27/2008 10:49:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes: Lightning Group, The latest Arion Hangar Talk (the Lightning Newsletter) is now posted at both the Lightning Web site (_www.flylightning.net_ (http://www.flylightning.net/) ) and at Jim Langley's site (_http://www.jimslightning.com/html/newsletters.html_ (http://www.jimslightning.com/html/newsletters.html) ). The featured article is a flight evaluation / report on the new 2008 demo, plus an update on the new wing tips. There is also a new section called "Technical Tips". Take a look at this and see if you think the info presented is "right on target". As always, I really appreciate any and all feedback (both positive of negative) with the thought that is the way to keep the newsletter informative. Actually I already have one feedback that it is too long this month. Linda continues to do an outstanding job of proof reading for us and believe me when I say her many hours of effort to correct the newsletter are worth big bucks. Without her work you would be seeing many many typos, misspelled words, and other typical fighter pilot grammar. So once again, a salute to Linda for outstanding work, well above the "call of duty". Now read the newsletter and give me some feedback (and some articles to publish). Blue Skies, Buz My response: I was having trouble getting to sleep for my morning nap, so I started reading the latest newsletter. Usually "newsletters" should be called "sleep aids", so I had high hopes.....since it was rather lengthy. No joy. I finished it and am still awake. Thanks to all the people who contribute. The letters, good editing, careful flight reports and a wide selection of topics make "Arion Hangar Talk" worthy of journalistic award. It really is a remarkable effort. Doug Koenigsberg **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 27, 2008
Subject: Re: July Newsletter and other ramblings
Thanks, Brian. I really appreciate your efforts. Send them when you can. Actually I will probably need something for the August issue since I will be strapped for time when I get back from Oshkosh. Buz **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 27, 2008
Subject: Re: July Newsletter is "Up and Flying"
In a message dated 6/27/2008 11:03:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Kayberg(at)aol.com writes: It really is a remarkable effort. Awh, thanks, Mom. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 27, 2008
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: July Newsletter is "Up and Flying"
Agreed Doug: The only problem is that I was late for work this morning because I couldn't stop reading it! I kept saying to myself, "ok, only one more page, oops, ok, only one more page".... On 6/27/08, Kayberg(at)aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/27/2008 10:49:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes: > > Lightning Group, > The latest Arion Hangar Talk (the Lightning Newsletter) is now posted > at both the Lightning Web site (www.flylightning.net) and at Jim Langley's > site (http://www.jimslightning.com/html/newsletters.html). The featured > article is a flight evaluation / report on the new 2008 demo, plus an update > on the new wing tips. There is also a new section called "Technical Tips". > Take a look at this and see if you think the info presented is "right on > target". As always, I really appreciate any and all feedback (both positive > of negative) with the thought that is the way to keep the newsletter > informative. Actually I already have one feedback that it is too long this > month. Linda continues to do an outstanding job of proof reading for us and > believe me when I say her many hours of effort to correct the > newsletter are worth big bucks. Without her work you would be seeing many > many typos, misspelled words, and other typical fighter pilot grammar. So > once again, a salute to Linda for outstanding work, well above the "call of > duty". > Now read the newsletter and give me some feedback (and some articles to > publish). > Blue Skies, > Buz > > > My response: > I was having trouble getting to sleep for my morning nap, so I started > reading the latest newsletter. Usually "newsletters" should be called > "sleep aids", so I had high hopes.....since it was rather lengthy. > > No joy. > > I finished it and am still awake. > > Thanks to all the people who contribute. The letters, good editing, > careful flight reports and a wide selection of topics make "Arion Hangar > Talk" worthy of journalistic award. > > It really is a remarkable effort. > > Doug Koenigsberg > > > ------------------------------ > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars<http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007> > . > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Esqual test flying-Update
Date: Jun 27, 2008
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
All the discussion about the new bungee less trim has been very timely for me.... Firstly, thanks again for the feedback and tips from both the US and Australia, I was going up a rat hole in the wrong direction, after reading 4 E mails I was quickly in possession of the info to get to where we did today. Malcolm, in Australia, has the same system as me and has it sorted so his instructions were invaluable. I've been very lucky to get Stan Hodgkins to test my plane, Stan flew for her majesty and then for an awful lot of other folk and nowadays displays his RV8 at air shows in the UK. He patiently checked out the different configurations and adjustments for me. We flew today with a fixed tab on the trailing edge of the elevator giving enough up elevator to fly in trim at 85 knots. The bungees at the rear (pulling up elevator) were set up with very little effect just enough to support the elevator's weight (and a bit) as recommended by Malcolm (and suggested by Earl for the new system as it happens). The front bungees on the manual system are in between the front seats and pull on the linkage that goes from under the panel to the seat backs, the 'pull' give nose down elevator. These I set so they did nothing with the lever back and put some nose down trim when forward. The positive stability was proven in this configuration and I let out a big sigh. Next I added a second fixed tab to increase the up elevator trim so an approach could be flown 'in trim'. I tensioned the manual trim bungees a little more so nose down trim could be added as the plane speed was increased. Second flight showed good characteristics and we now had a better spread of trim speed. Certainly enough for me to get converted onto the Esqual however the fickle English weather was having none of it and after flying two approaches and one take off I decided I need a smooth day and not 15k gusting 25 with some serious thermic activity thrown in. My home field also has the hangar in the middle of the runway and landing 'down the side' adds another element that wasn't helping. Whilst I made a hash of the second landing (I only did two) I recalled Buz's comments about 'calibrating my hand', my brain was directing Jabiru type inputs and the plane was doing completely other stuff of course. I put the Esqual away and fetched the trusty Jabiru out to take Stan back to his home field. It's clear to me that fitting the Lightning trim system is essential to getting positive support from the LAA so I'm hoping to get hold of one ASAP from Arion. Many thanks again for all the comments, help and encouragement. I feel I've got there at last after today so am relaxing with a cold one by way of celebration. The stability issue has always worried me, the LAA chief engineer flew with Francesc in Moia in 2004 and discovered it so I knew it had to be right to get anywhere at all with UK approval. I still have some way to go yet but that particular hurdle has been jumped. Whether the problem was W+B or bungee induced I don't know. They did fit a large steel hub behind the propeller to get the C of G forward and that helped, this was with the Rotax of course. History now of course though you maybe interested to hear Esqual production is planned to restart in Sweden any time soon. The plane will be a ULM again (microlite). I'll shortly be after updated flying hours for the Esquals in the world so I have the biggest number to add to the case for re-review of the type. Best regards to everyone from England, Clive P.S. Nick has just E mailed to tell me he'll get a trim kit packed up shortly, brilliant service! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Benjamin Smith <pilot(at)benjamindsmith.com>
Subject: Airports free of landing fees?
Date: Jun 27, 2008
I'm a private pilot in the United States where landing fees are (mostly) not a consideration. But I understand that they can be a big consideration in areas like the Europe, and that people who have a private airport willingly invite others to land free of fees. So, I had the idea of putting together some kind of website as a compendium of such private "no landing fees" airports, and letting people register their airports as such. Is there a need for such a tool? Should I bother to build it, or do you think it would most likely just wither? For those who have a private airstrip, would you want to put YOUR airstrip in such a compendium? Why or why not? Thanks in advance, -Ben -- "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return." -- Leonardo da Vinci -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Airports free of landing fees?
Date: Jun 27, 2008
Sounds like a great project. If you are talking about US airports, AOPA and some others have the some resources that tell you if an airport has landing fees, but a bunch of other useful information. You might want to check out those resources before starting. -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Benjamin Smith Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 6:15 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Airports free of landing fees? I'm a private pilot in the United States where landing fees are (mostly) not a consideration. But I understand that they can be a big consideration in areas like the Europe, and that people who have a private airport willingly invite others to land free of fees. So, I had the idea of putting together some kind of website as a compendium of such private "no landing fees" airports, and letting people register their airports as such. Is there a need for such a tool? Should I bother to build it, or do you think it would most likely just wither? For those who have a private airstrip, would you want to put YOUR airstrip in such a compendium? Why or why not? Thanks in advance, -Ben -- "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return." -- Leonardo da Vinci -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: tease
Date: Jun 27, 2008
Jim, my turn to tease. Tex ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: tease
Date: Jun 27, 2008
Ooooooo, that is looking nice! From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 8:30 PM Subject: Lightning-List: tease Jim, my turn to tease. Tex ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Colin J. Kennedy" <cjk129(at)cox.net>
Subject: tease
Date: Jun 27, 2008
Tex, That does not look like a DIY paint job! Colin K. OK Lightning # 52 under construction. http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: Lightning-List: tease Jim, my turn to tease. Tex ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steven Sundquist" <sttwig(at)wabroadband.com>
Subject: tease
Date: Jun 27, 2008
That is rich. Looks like dark chocolate cake with mousse filling or an elegant latte'. I just finished dinner, I'm thinking of dessert. Tex, that looks good enough to eat. I can't wait to see the rest. Steve #48 _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 5:30 PM Subject: Lightning-List: tease Jim, my turn to tease. Tex ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: tease
Date: Jun 28, 2008
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
Another sweet paint job. In the UK it's any colour at all as long as it's white! Makes us brits seem a little boring.... Going to try and get some stripes made with the swirl you guys are using. It adds a real nice line to the plane. Regards, Clive P.S. thought it was going to be a 19 year old cheer leader note that had got through the spam filter -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell Sent: 28 June 2008 01:30 Subject: Lightning-List: tease Jim, my turn to tease. Tex ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 28, 2008
Subject: Re: tease
In a message dated 6/27/2008 11:02:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cjk129(at)cox.net writes: That does not look like a DIY paint job! Well, Tex is a perfectionist and can do fantastic things with a paint roller and finger paints. :-) Once again, great job Tex. Keep up the good work and send me some more things for the newsletter. I think some people have actually read some of the issues. See you at OSH. And all you other "Hooligans" also. Buz **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 28, 2008
Subject: Re: Esqual test flying-Update
In a message dated 6/27/2008 2:36:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, clive.james(at)uk.bp.com writes: enough for me to get converted onto the Esqual Hey Clive, Congratulations on you flying your "jet". And yes, the Esqual does fly a lot more like a "jet" than does the Jabiru. Once you get your hand calibrated for the Esqual you will really love the way she flies. When you get the chance give us an updated flight report for the newsletter. buz **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: wire for wing tip strobes
Date: Jun 28, 2008
Guys: Just curious; what did you all use for the wire extension for the wing tip strobes? Jim! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pete" <pete(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Bill Browns Lightning
Date: Jun 28, 2008
Bill Browns Lightning. First flight this week. Pete ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: New lightning
Date: Jun 28, 2008
Group, @ 430 central N123WL departed Shelbyville for a 30 minute flight all systems good. She really climbs with the new tips. Wayne should be flying it this weekend or next week and I will let him give you a full report. Nick ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 28, 2008
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: When in doubt, don't give up!
I was rummaging through an old email folder, cleaning out some dead email, and ran across one that I sent to my wife about a year and a half ago. I has started taking pilot training and approached it with all of my normal go get em' confidence like everything else I had done in my life. When I took my FAA written, I got a 98 on it; I breezed through my verbal with flying colors, then took a 2 hour flight test. My examiner failed me on th e No-flaps landing portion of the exam, even though I landed the aircraft safely. He said I was landing too fast, and would over run a shorter runway. This is something that my instructor had not covered with me, but still, I should have done it right. I went into the check ride with full confidence of passing, just like my written and verbal. To say that I was upset would be an understatement. I went home and sat on my porch and wanted to cry. This was a very new feeling for me. For once I understood what it was like to have some self doubts in my life. My wife can be insecure at times, and some times I had not understood those feelings like I should have. This day, I understood very clearly. I sat down and wrote her a note, letting her know how I felt, how I could now relate, and how sorry I was for not understanding at times. Here's a excerpt form that email. *"This was a good learning milestone in my life. I'm not invincible. I can't do everything, and I'm not indestructible. That does not mean that I am not intelligent, talented, and versatile. Once in a while I WILL fail. I just need to understand my limitations, learn from my mistakes and work within the abilities God has given me. * * * *So honey, here's a Jim quote for you. This will be my mission*=85 *I shall not limit myself to "safe" tasks, but rather continue to explore what God and life has to offer me. Better to fall short in the attempt, learn from it, and try again than to sit in the corner and tremble in fear of failure*." Over the past year, you all on the list have been helpful and a great encouragement to me; thanks for your friendship. I thought you all would not mind me sharing this with you. By the way, I went right back up the next day with an instructor and refine d my no flaps landings. Then I practiced them for the next week or so and passed my next check ride. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 28, 2008
From: "JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" <lbmathias(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: When in doubt, don't give up!
Jim, You certainly gained the right lesson from that failed checkride; people who fail checkrides on the first try are often good pilots whose instructor either omitted or underemphasized an important area of their training. It just means that you get another opportunity to correct that omission; in my case, it was crosswind landings on my private test because the instructor often rode the rudders and I didn't realize it. After the initial disappointment, most realize that it all happens for the best. Wishing you a terrific first flight in the very near future, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Langley To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:45 AM Subject: Lightning-List: When in doubt, don't give up! I was rummaging through an old email folder, cleaning out some dead email, and ran across one that I sent to my wife about a year and a half ago. I has started taking pilot training and approached it with all of my normal go get em' confidence like everything else I had done in my life. When I took my FAA written, I got a 98 on it; I breezed through my verbal with flying colors, then took a 2 hour flight test. My examiner failed me on the No-flaps landing portion of the exam, even though I landed the aircraft safely. He said I was landing too fast, and would over run a shorter runway. This is something that my instructor had not covered with me, but still, I should have done it right. I went into the check ride with full confidence of passing, just like my written and verbal. To say that I was upset would be an understatement. I went home and sat on my porch and wanted to cry. This was a very new feeling for me. For once I understood what it was like to have some self doubts in my life. My wife can be insecure at times, and some times I had not understood those feelings like I should have. This day, I understood very clearly. I sat down and wrote her a note, letting her know how I felt, how I could now relate, and how sorry I was for not understanding at times. Here's a excerpt form that email. "This was a good learning milestone in my life. I'm not invincible. I can't do everything, and I'm not indestructible. That does not mean that I am not intelligent, talented, and versatile. Once in a while I WILL fail. I just need to understand my limitations, learn from my mistakes and work within the abilities God has given me. So honey, here's a Jim quote for you. This will be my mission=85 I shall not limit myself to "safe" tasks, but rather continue to explore what God and life has to offer me. Better to fall short in the attempt, learn from it, and try again than to sit in the corner and tremble in fear of failure." Over the past year, you all on the list have been helpful and a great encouragement to me; thanks for your friendship. I thought you all would not mind me sharing this with you. By the way, I went right back up the next day with an instructor and refined my no flaps landings. Then I practiced them for the next week or so and passed my next check ride. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 6/28/2008 7:00 AM ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 28, 2008
From: "JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" <lbmathias(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Bill Browns Lightning
Bill, Congratulations on the first flight and another great looking Lightning! Linda Mathias ----- Original Message ----- From: Pete To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:30 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Bill Browns Lightning Bill Browns Lightning. First flight this week. Pete ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 6/28/2008 7:00 AM ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 28, 2008
From: "JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" <lbmathias(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: New lightning
Wayne and Nel, Congratulations to you also; the picture Pete sent a couple of days ago looks beautiful. Linda Mathias ----- Original Message ----- From: flylightning To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:25 AM Subject: Lightning-List: New lightning Group, @ 430 central N123WL departed Shelbyville for a 30 minute flight all systems good. She really climbs with the new tips. Wayne should be flying it this weekend or next week and I will let him give you a full report. Nick ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 6/28/2008 7:00 AM ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 28, 2008
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: When in doubt, don't give up!
Thanks Linda... On 6/28/08, JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS wrote: > > Jim, > > You certainly gained the right lesson from that failed checkride; > people who fail checkrides on the first try are often good pilots whose > instructor either omitted or underemphasized an important area of their > training. It just means that you get another opportunity to correct that > omission; in my case, it was crosswind landings on my private test becaus e > the instructor often rode the rudders and I didn't realize it. After the > initial disappointment, most realize that it all happens for the best. > > Wishing you a terrific first flight in the very near future, Linda > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Jim Langley > *To:* lightning-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:45 AM > *Subject:* Lightning-List: When in doubt, don't give up! > > > I was rummaging through an old email folder, cleaning out some dead email , > and ran across one that I sent to my wife about a year and a half ago. > > > I has started taking pilot training and approached it with all of my norm al > go get em' confidence like everything else I had done in my life. When I > took my FAA written, I got a 98 on it; I breezed through my verbal with > flying colors, then took a 2 hour flight test. My examiner failed me on > the No-flaps landing portion of the exam, even though I landed the aircra ft > safely. He said I was landing too fast, and would over run a shorter > runway. This is something that my instructor had not covered with me, bu t > still, I should have done it right. I went into the check ride with full > confidence of passing, just like my written and verbal. To say that I wa s > upset would be an understatement. I went home and sat on my porch and > wanted to cry. This was a very new feeling for me. For once I understoo d > what it was like to have some self doubts in my life. My wife can be > insecure at times, and some times I had not understood those feelings lik e I > should have. This day, I understood very clearly. > > > I sat down and wrote her a note, letting her know how I felt, how I could > now relate, and how sorry I was for not understanding at times. Here's a > excerpt form that email. > > > *"This was a good learning milestone in my life. I'm not invincible. I > can't do everything, and I'm not indestructible. That does not mean that I > am not intelligent, talented, and versatile. Once in a while I WILL fail . > I just need to understand my limitations, learn from my mistakes and work > within the abilities God has given me. * > > ** > > *So honey, here's a Jim quote for you. This will be my mission*=85 > > > *I shall not limit myself to "safe" tasks, but rather continue to explore > what God and life has to offer me. Better to fall short in the attempt, > learn from it, and try again than to sit in the corner and tremble in fea r > of failure*." > > > Over the past year, you all on the list have been helpful and a great > encouragement to me; thanks for your friendship. I thought you all would > not mind me sharing this with you. > > > By the way, I went right back up the next day with an instructor and > refined my no flaps landings. Then I practiced them for the next week or > so and passed my next check ride. > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c * > > ------------------------------ > 6/28/2008 7:00 AM > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Wallmart spray booth
Date: Jun 28, 2008
For those looking for a spraybooth when the time comes go to wallmart or BJ's and get a car port that they sell. Enclosed you will see my spray booth and If you get it before you need it, its great for storing parts. It has a few draw backs, the bugs,spiders,and squriles love it too. Tex ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 28, 2008
Subject: Re: When in doubt, don't give up!
Jim, Great words and a great way to support your bride and show your love. I see too many couples that really don't support each other in their work or "play" activities. A big loss for them. I lost my bride to breast cancer when she was 42 and she was the kind that was always lending a hand, not only in my flying career, but also by helping with my airplane building activities - even though that Pitts was single seat, she was in the garage helping to get it completed. Also appreciated your "first check ride" story and of course Linda's thoughts on it. She would know - she is one of the best designated FAA check pilots in Virginia. Lastly, the entire Lightning community is anxiously awaiting the first flight of you airplane. Be sure to give us all the details and a future full write up about your phase one experiences for the newsletter. One of the most enjoyable things is to open my email list and read that another Lightning has taken to the air. Two this past week - fantastic - congratulations to Bill Brown and Wayne Lenox. And lets not forget the first flight on Clive's Esqual in the UK. The tie in between the Esqual and Lightning airplanes goes through SYI. Blue Skies, Buz **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 28, 2008
Subject: Re: Wallmart spray booth
Great idea, Tex. Now just add a big air filter and a tarp for a floor and you can go into business. I enjoyed your tease and look forward to putting some more pictures of you Lightning in the newsletter. Blue Skies, Buz **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: When in doubt, don't give up!
Date: Jun 28, 2008
Thanks Buz, I always appreciate the encouragement from everyone on the list which is why I wanted to share that thought with the group. Jim! From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich(at)aol.com Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 9:13 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: When in doubt, don't give up! Jim, Great words and a great way to support your bride and show your love. I see too many couples that really don't support each other in their work or "play" activities. A big loss for them. I lost my bride to breast cancer when she was 42 and she was the kind that was always lending a hand, not only in my flying career, but also by helping with my airplane building activities - even though that Pitts was single seat, she was in the garage helping to get it completed. Also appreciated your "first check ride" story and of course Linda's thoughts on it. She would know - she is one of the best designated FAA check pilots in Virginia. Lastly, the entire Lightning community is anxiously awaiting the first flight of you airplane. Be sure to give us all the details and a future full write up about your phase one experiences for the newsletter. One of the most enjoyable things is to open my email list and read that another Lightning has taken to the air. Two this past week - fantastic - congratulations to Bill Brown and Wayne Lenox. And lets not forget the first flight on Clive's Esqual in the UK. The tie in between the Esqual and Lightning airplanes goes through SYI. Blue Skies, Buz _____ Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars <http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007> . ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Brian Whittingham <dashvii(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: When in doubt, don't give up!
Date: Jun 29, 2008
Jim, Great story! I never failed a checkride, but in my part 141 training I did fail a stage check for my multi-commercial instrument ride. I could fly a localizer backcourse out over the ocean down to minimums flawlessly, but failed the Vmc demo. We always practiced with one engine idle and slowed the plane until full rudder was deflected and the nose started to go to one side. He wanted me to not get to that point on the checkride which I understand that you want to avoid that if it was a real situation. Unfortunately he didn't voice that until after. Oh, and I was on what they called a fixed price program so that if I ever failed two consecutive stage checks or a single checkride I would have to pay the actual cost instead of the base price that I payed for. That was a lot of pressure! We're talking about a difference of probably $15k! The multi-engine was rented at around $430/hour when I was going through but my locked in rate had it more like $180 if you divided it out. Anyhow, when the checkride came around I had the option to request not to have a particular instructor. This guy had passed me on a couple of stage checks previously but we just didn't mesh and he was very difficult. I chose not to say that I didn't want him, knowing that the luck of the draw would probably be somebody else that I got. Well, I was wrong, I got him. I saw that on the schedule and my heart sank. Then I told myself that I had gotten a lot of experience and training since then and could fly that as good as anything I ever had and that I needed to have this guy for my checkride to prove to myself that I could handle emergencies in a more complex aircraft. I passed, said my little prayer of thanks, and got out of there with a few tips from him. I also had an instructor for my instrument course that I was convinced was a sadist or just completely hated me. I would be nailing everything on a flight and he would be scooting the seat back and forth to change my CG and the feel of the plane or would be quizing me on ground class questions while flying an approach. He just rode me until I would just be exhausted every flight. We flew until midnight or one in the morning many nights and had college classes at 7am the next morning. I learned to sleep with my eyes open that semester! At the same time we had a chief IP come in and told us that we were lower than dirt and too many people were failing and that we couldn't make it and looked like a sorry bunch of pilots and we'd never have a future. So I was about ready to give all of that up, which is unfortunate. I tried to be a good Christian boy though and said to myself that it'll always be ok if you treat somebody else with kindness and respect, even if they aren't doing that to you. My instructor still rode me, but my mind was clearer and I could concentrate. I had a million plans of action running through my head at one time and by the time that he thought he'd gotten me by asking me some difficult question I was like, oh, I got that one right here for ya. During that checkride I did a runup and found the battery was discharging. We had a failed alternator. The check pilot said that it was up to me, but being night and having some actual out I of course said, nope, so we got plane number 2 checked out and ready to go. My checkride lasted until 2:30 that morning and it was about 32 degrees in Florida with quiet a wind chill! Anyhow I called my instructor the next day after I passed and he was so friendly and said he never had any doubts. I realized then that even though I would've approached it different I had felt the most confident of any checkride to date and that things really did work out for the best and I learned to be a little more humble in the process. Never quit learning in! flying and you'll one day make a great pilot! I also love seeing people like Linda who are passing along to a new generation of pilots the importance of stick and rudder skills and safety, but also sharing a love and passion of flying with them! Brian W. ________________________________ From: pequeajim(at)gmail.com Subject: RE: Lightning-List: When in doubt, don't give up! Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:57:12 -0400 Thanks Buz, I always appreciate the encouragement from everyone on the list which is why I wanted to share that thought with the group. Jim! From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich(at)aol.com Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 9:13 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: When in doubt, don't give up! Jim, Great words and a great way to support your bride and show your love. I see too many couples that really don't support each other in their work or "play" activities. A big loss for them. I lost my bride to breast cancer when she was 42 and she was the kind that was always lending a hand, not only in my flying career, but also by helping with my airplane building activities - even though that Pitts was single seat, she was in the garage helping to get it completed. Also appreciated your "first check ride" story and of course Linda's thoughts on it. She would know - she is one of the best designated FAA check pilots in Virginia. Lastly, the entire Lightning community is anxiously awaiting the first flight of you airplane. Be sure to give us all the details and a future full write up about your phase one experiences for the newsletter. One of the most enjoyable things is to open my email list and read that another Lightning has taken to the air. Two this past week - fantastic - congratulations to Bill Brown and Wayne Lenox. And lets not forget the first flight on Clive's Esqual in the UK. The tie in between the Esqual and Lightning airplanes goes through SYI. Blue Skies, Buz ________________________________ Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution _________________________________________________________________ Earn cashback on your purchases with Live Search - the search that pays you back! http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=earncashback ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: From this months LAA Safety spot
Date: Jun 30, 2008
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
The un-shouldered bolts (fully threaded) were subject to much discussion when flywheels were falling off. Maybe given that there has been more than one propeller departure we should look to getting hold of a fully fit for purpose bolt? <> Regards, Clive ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: When in doubt, don't give up!
From: "Scotty" <mr.scotty(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jun 30, 2008
Jim, That says more to me about your character and personality than anything. I would fly with you any day of the week and twice on Saturday, and probably go to sleep in the cockpit (except I love to look outside). Having been an APD (designated examiner) in the air line industry and instructor in the Navy I can say that is exactly the attitude that is needed for fun and safe flight. You and your wife are fortunate. Scotty (Lurker Extrodinaire) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190524#190524 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 30, 2008
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: When in doubt, don't give up!
Thanks Scotty, those words mean a lot. Jim! On 6/30/08, Scotty wrote: > > > Jim, > That says more to me about your character and personality than anything. I > would fly with you any day of the week and twice on Saturday, and probably > go to sleep in the cockpit (except I love to look outside). Having been an > APD (designated examiner) in the air line industry and instructor in the > Navy I can say that is exactly the attitude that is needed for fun and safe > flight. You and your wife are fortunate. > Scotty > (Lurker Extrodinaire) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190524#190524 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Wallmart spray booth
Date: Jul 01, 2008
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
That is a neat idea, the gazebo, as it is known in the UK, would be a great temporary booth. Even in a big space to stop the paint blowing about a barn. Need an airfed mask though I think, CJ -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell Sent: 29 June 2008 00:37 Subject: Lightning-List: Wallmart spray booth For those looking for a spraybooth when the time comes go to wallmart or BJ's and get a car port that they sell. Enclosed you will see my spray booth and If you get it before you need it, its great for storing parts. It has a few draw backs, the bugs,spiders,and squriles love it too. Tex ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 01, 2008
Subject: Some changes for the July newsletter
Guys, Sorry about this, but when I finally got around to re-reading the July newsletter (it was posted on the two web sites several days ago), I found t hat the article on my testing the new wing tips has some things I need to expand on or even re-write. So for now, on page 14, the second paragraph has some slightly misleading information as it is currently written. Below in red i nk, is how that paragraph should and would read if I were writing it today. I guess the next round of "suds" is on me - meaning either I will buy the rou nd or you can pour your beer on me. Bummer. Blue Skies, Buz Here is how I wish I had written it (changes in red): Due to the really =9Cbumpy air=9D for my second flight I hesita te to give much validity to the following data, but for what it is worth, Vy plotted out to be something like 83 mph or so. (Note: this is much lower than the Vy normally seen for the regular wing Lightning, and maybe should be taken "wi th a grain of salt" because it is based on only one flight on a really bumpy da y.) I gathered this data by timing my climbs at various speeds to climb 1000 =99. Obviously it is hard to hold a steady climb speed in the bumpy air and I co uld feel a =9Ckick in the butt=9D climb increase or decrease as I f lew in and out of thermals. As Nick and I have seen in other Lightnings and Esquals, there seems to be a second Vy at something like 115 for this wing. (Many of you probably found the same thing on your Lightning with two Vys of 100 and 115 if you actually did lots of Vy plotting during your phase one testing). I fly my airplane taking advantage of this situation by using the 87 Vx after takeof f (until the end of the runway) and then transition to Vy of 100. If I am going high for a cross country flight, I then transition to the second Vy o f 115 for a cruise climb. Both numbers result in something above 1200=99 per minute initial climb rate for N31BZ. But remember that I live close to sea level . **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050 000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 01, 2008
From: Hugh Sontag <flying(at)qdea.com>
Subject: Re: Some changes for the July newsletter
Hi Buz, I recommend that you just make the edits to the newsletter and re-post the edited newsletter on both web sites. It will be read and re-read by any number of people for a long time, and there's no substitute for putting the right info where people will find it. If you like, you can add a little note to the article that this is Revision B, so that readers can tell the two articles apart. Hugh Sontag >Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" >Content-Language: en > >Guys, > > Sorry about this, but when I finally got around to re-reading >the July newsletter (it was posted on the two web sites several days >ago), I found that the article on my testing the new wing tips has >some things I need to expand on or even re-write. So for now, on >page 14, the second paragraph has some slightly misleading >information as it is currently written. Below in red ink, is how >that paragraph should and would read if I were writing it today. I >guess the next round of "suds" is on me - meaning either I will buy >the round or you can pour your beer on me. Bummer. > >Blue Skies, > >Buz > >Here is how I wish I had written it (changes in red): > >Due to the really "bumpy air" for my second flight I hesitate to >give much validity to the following data, but for what it is worth, >Vy plotted out to be something like 83 mph or so. (Note: this is >much lower than the Vy normally seen for the regular wing >Lightning, and maybe should be taken "with a grain of salt" because >it is based on only one flight on a really bumpy day.) I gathered >this data by timing my climbs at various speeds to climb 1000'. >Obviously it is hard to hold a steady climb speed in the bumpy air >and I could feel a "kick in the butt" climb increase or decrease as >I flew in and out of thermals. As Nick and I have seen in other >Lightnings and Esquals, there seems to be a second Vy at something >like 115 for this wing. (Many of you probably found the same thing >on your Lightning with two Vys of 100 and 115 if you actually did >lots of Vy plotting during your phase one testing). I fly my >airplane taking advantage of this situation by using the 87 Vx after >takeoff (until the end of the runway) and then transition to Vy of >100. If I am going high for a cross country flight, I then >transition to the second Vy of 115 for a cruise climb. Both numbers >result in something above 1200' per minute initial climb rate for >N31BZ. But remember that I live close to sea level. > > >Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient ><http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007>used cars. > > ><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List ><http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 01, 2008
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Some changes for the July newsletter
hugh: Good suggestion, Buz is a step ahead of you on that one; (just like all Air Force pilots are....) I'll post the latest revision tonight on www.jimslightning.com On 7/1/08, Hugh Sontag wrote: > > > Hi Buz, > > I recommend that you just make the edits to the newsletter and re-post the > edited newsletter on both web sites. It will be read and re-read by any > number of people for a long time, and there's no substitute for putting the > right info where people will find it. > > If you like, you can add a little note to the article that this is Revision > B, so that readers can tell the two articles apart. > > Hugh Sontag > > > Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" >> Content-Language: en >> >> Guys, >> >> Sorry about this, but when I finally got around to re-reading the July >> newsletter (it was posted on the two web sites several days ago), I found >> that the article on my testing the new wing tips has some things I need to >> expand on or even re-write. So for now, on page 14, the second paragraph >> has some slightly misleading information as it is currently written. Below >> in red ink, is how that paragraph should and would read if I were writing it >> today. I guess the next round of "suds" is on me - meaning either I will >> buy the round or you can pour your beer on me. Bummer. >> >> Blue Skies, >> >> Buz >> >> Here is how I wish I had written it (changes in red): >> Due to the really "bumpy air" for my second flight I hesitate to give much >> validity to the following data, but for what it is worth, Vy plotted out to >> be something like 83 mph or so. (Note: this is much lower than the Vy >> normally seen for the regular wing Lightning, and maybe should be taken >> "with a grain of salt" because it is based on only one flight on a really >> bumpy day.) I gathered this data by timing my climbs at various speeds to >> climb 1000'. Obviously it is hard to hold a steady climb speed in the bumpy >> air and I could feel a "kick in the butt" climb increase or decrease as I >> flew in and out of thermals. As Nick and I have seen in other Lightnings >> and Esquals, there seems to be a second Vy at something like 115 for this >> wing. (Many of you probably found the same thing on your Lightning with two >> Vys of 100 and 115 if you actually did lots of Vy plotting during your phase >> one testing). I fly my airplane taking advantage of this situation by using >> the 87 Vx after takeoff (until the end of the runway) and then transition to >> Vy of 100. If I am going high for a cross country flight, I then transition >> to the second Vy of 115 for a cruise climb. Both numbers result in >> something above 1200' per minute initial climb rate for N31BZ. But remember >> that I live close to sea level. >> >> >> >> >> >> Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient < >> http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007>used cars. >> >> >> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List >> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 02, 2008
From: Charles Dewey <cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Lopresti Fury
Anyone out there hear about this plane the lopresti fury. They are promising 220mph cruise out of 10gph. --- On Tue, 7/1/08, James, Clive R wrote: > From: James, Clive R <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> > Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Wallmart spray booth > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 6:34 AM > R" > > That is a neat idea, the gazebo, as it is known in the UK, > would be a > great temporary booth. Even in a big space to stop the > paint blowing > about a barn. Need an airfed mask though I think, CJ > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Tex > Mantell > Sent: 29 June 2008 00:37 > To: lightning List > Subject: Lightning-List: Wallmart spray booth > > For those looking for a spraybooth when the time comes go > to wallmart or > BJ's and get a car port that they sell. Enclosed you > will see my spray > booth and If you get it before you need it, its great for > storing parts. > It has a few draw backs, the bugs,spiders,and squriles love > it too. Tex > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 02, 2008
Subject: Re: Lopresti Fury
Hi Charles, In the Lopresti Fury you have come across a really interesting aircraft in both a performance and historical perspective. I don't know the latest as to the Lopresti Fury's possible production, but it seems to still be hanging on based on its being at OSH and Sun-N-Fun most years. The history starts in the 1940s with the design of the Globe Swift which was an all metal, two place, retractable gear airplane that started off with a small Continental of 85 to 90 HP. I don't know if any were produced with that engine, but it soon had 125 HP which gave it much better performance. The Globe Swift was actually produced by a company called TEMCO which I think stands for Texas Engineering and Manufacturing Company. Production started after WWll in say 1946 or so and went on for several years. Over the years, based on the great design, the airplane has been modified and cared for by various owners and many restored versions of the original now have bigger engines, and sticks verses yokes. They are highly prized by their owners. Some years ago, Roy Lopresti, known for cleaning up several production aircraft to give them better performance, worked his "lower drag" magic on the design and even came up with an updated version called the Swift Fury with the idea to start production. For what ever reason that became the Lopresti Fury as it is known today. It is a beautiful airplane with apparently great performance. I would love to have one of the new ones or a restored Swift with sticks and larger engine. And to keep this message kind of connected to the Lightning list, note that the air intakes on the Lightning cowling use round Lopresti "style" inlets that are sized to provide the correct amount of air for engine cooling without over doing it which would add drag. Blue Skies, Buz **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kayberg(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 02, 2008
Subject: Re: Lopresti Fury
And now from Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition, There seems to be something of a cult following of the Swift, which is simply an old slow airplane with complex systems. Even with Lopresti's name, it was doomed. Steve Whitman, of air racing and Tailwind fame, used to beat the early (125 hp)Swifts in takeoff and top speed with only an 85 hp engine! He would takeoff, climb to 10 feet and land in the same distance as a Swift would use to take off. Then he would beat them in the air. The payloads were similar. There is a reason that after at least 3 attempts at continous production, the Swift is DOA. Even the LoPresti name hasnt been able to do much with it. We have a 150 hp one on the field at Green Landings. It is usually apart for something, engine problems, gear problems, fuel leaks, etc. It rolls like a pig compared to the Lightning. Yes, a turbo 210 HP Swift might get up to 210 MPH at 10 gph........at 25,000 feet! (you bring the O2) I suspect the real world cruise is more like 180 at 9.5 below 10,000 feet. And the cost for the latest versions is very salty for what you get. You could probably get a turbo Mooney for less money with the same fuel burn.....and have two more seats!! Dont forget to put the gear down!!! Just my thoughts. Doug Koenigsberg In a message dated 7/2/2008 10:18:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes: Hi Charles, In the Lopresti Fury you have come across a really interesting aircraft in both a performance and historical perspective. I don't know the latest as to the Lopresti Fury's possible production, but it seems to still be hanging on based on its being at OSH and Sun-N-Fun most years. The history starts in the 1940s with the design of the Globe Swift which was an all metal, two place, retractable gear airplane that started off with a small Continental of 85 to 90 HP. I don't know if any were produced with that engine, but it soon had 125 HP which gave it much better performance. The Globe Swift was actually produced by a company called TEMCO which I think stands for Texas Engineering and Manufacturing Company. Production started after WWll in say 1946 or so and went on for several years. Over the years, based on the great design, the airplane has been modified and cared for by various owners and many restored versions of the original now have bigger engines, and sticks verses yokes. They are highly prized by their owners. Some years ago, Roy Lopresti, known for cleaning up several production aircraft to give them better performance, worked his "lower drag" magic on the design and even came up with an updated version called the Swift Fury with the idea to start production. For what ever reason that became the Lopresti Fury as it is known today. It is a beautiful airplane with apparently great performance. I would love to have one of the new ones or a restored Swift with sticks and larger engine. And to keep this message kind of connected to the Lightning list, note that the air intakes on the Lightning cowling use round Lopresti "style" inlets that are sized to provide the correct amount of air for engine cooling without over doing it which would add drag. Blue Skies, Buz **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 02, 2008
Subject: Re: Lopresti Fury
In a message dated 7/2/2008 11:06:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Kayberg(at)aol.com writes: And now from Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition, Damn, don't you just hate it when someone has actual numbers and facts. ;-) Buz **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: EAFerguson(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 02, 2008
Subject: Re: Lopresti Fury
In a message dated 7/2/2008 10:18:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes: > In the Lopresti Fury you have come across a really interesting aircraft > in both a performance and historical perspective. I don't know the latest as > to the Lopresti Fury's possible production, but it seems to still be hanging > on based on its being at OSH and Sun-N-Fun most years. I understand from my new friends at the FSDO that someone is putting an IO 540 in a Swift. The aircraft will be Experimental Catagory. They are having to replace the entire tail section to provide the necessary area. Maybe this is the LoPresti Swift? Earl ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kayberg(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 02, 2008
Subject: Re: Lopresti Fury
In a message dated 7/2/2008 11:13:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes: And now from Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition, Damn, don't you just hate it when someone has actual numbers and facts. ;-) Buz Actually, I was a bit pissy on my previous post. Every airplane has its down side, but by definition, someone is in love with it. At Osh Kosh you will see the dumbest of designs, ugly, slow or pitiful; yet someone will be proud of it. One of the reasons to not share what you think of someone else's plane. We pilots can be a sensitive lot. But I also tire of hearing all the hype of a particular airplane ....knowing there is much more to the story. Since I have never flown a Swift, I really dont know what I am talking about in terms of actual performance. There is a reason why people love them. But I dont think they are in the class of the modern composite in terms of speed, which is what started this thread. While the Lightning may not have the top speed of a 200 hp Swift, it will outrun most of them while burning less fuel. And you dont have to fiddle with the prop pitch, leaning the carb, and remember to put the gear up or down....not to mention the wildly reduced maintenance. doug **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 02, 2008
Subject: Re: Lopresti Fury
In a message dated 7/2/2008 11:38:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Kayberg(at)aol.com writes: Actually, I was a bit pissy on my previous post. Hey Doug, Don't be so hard on yourself. "Sharing opinions" is one of the benefits of this (and all) list. Besides, "differences of opinions" is what makes horse races - and betting on ball games, cock fights, and interesting poker games, etc. So keep letting us know what you think. I have seen some pearls of wisdom in your thoughts and writings. Buz **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (www.tourtracker.com ?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: rotating the carb
Date: Jul 03, 2008
A few weeks ago I asked which way to rotate the carb to possibly even out the egt's. It works. I now have the cht's within 30 degrees of each other and the egt's within 45 degrees of each other. I also noted that after about 30 minutes at cruse they are almost even. Tex ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: rotating the carb
Date: Jul 03, 2008
Hello Tex I read your email about rotating the carb. I don't understand what you mean?? Thanks Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Tex Mantell<mailto:wb2ssj(at)earthlink.net> To: lightning List Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: Lightning-List: rotating the carb A few weeks ago I asked which way to rotate the carb to possibly even out the egt's. It works. I now have the cht's within 30 degrees of each other and the egt's within 45 degrees of each other. I also noted that after about 30 minutes at cruse they are almost even. Tex http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List m/Navigator?Lightning-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: rotating the carb
Date: Jul 03, 2008
Gary, It is possible to rotate the carb a few degrees on its mount by loosing the strap which holds it to the engine. By turning the bottom of the carb towards the lean side of the engine ( indicated by the EGT temps on that side) will slightly richen the mixture being drawn thru the Ventura to that side of the intake manifold. Fuel enters the system from a port in the bottom of the carb. This is only a slight difference but can be helpful in obtaining a more even mixture for all cylinders. I hope I have described this correctly, if not someone can chime in. Tex ----- Original Message ----- From: GARY PENNINGTON To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: rotating the carb Hello Tex I read your email about rotating the carb. I don't understand what you mean?? Thanks Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Tex Mantell To: lightning List Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: Lightning-List: rotating the carb A few weeks ago I asked which way to rotate the carb to possibly even out the egt's. It works. I now have the cht's within 30 degrees of each other and the egt's within 45 degrees of each other. I also noted that after about 30 minutes at cruse they are almost even. Tex title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: first Flight
Date: Jul 03, 2008
Nick: Is Bill on the list? I would like to get in touch with him. Jim! From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:02 PM Subject: Lightning-List: first Flight To Group: I believe a new Lightning has parted ways with the earth. Reports are in from the great white north, with the snow gone and the water going else where that Bill Browns piloted his ship for a while last night from H&S aviation in WI. I hope we get a bit of a pilot report from him soon. Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft, LLC ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 03, 2008
From: "JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" <lbmathias(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: rotating the carb
Tex, Sounds like your engine is doing great; I didn't realize that you had flown already. Congratulations! Please send us a picture of the whole plane. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Tex Mantell To: lightning List Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:07 PM Subject: Lightning-List: rotating the carb A few weeks ago I asked which way to rotate the carb to possibly even out the egt's. It works. I now have the cht's within 30 degrees of each other and the egt's within 45 degrees of each other. I also noted that after about 30 minutes at cruse they are almost even. Tex ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 7/3/2008 8:32 AM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: rotating the carb
Date: Jul 04, 2008
Linda, I am talking about my kitfox with the 2200 Jabiru. The Lightning is still in the paint shed. Tex ----- Original Message ----- From: JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:29 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: rotating the carb Tex, Sounds like your engine is doing great; I didn't realize that you had flown already. Congratulations! Please send us a picture of the whole plane. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Tex Mantell To: lightning List Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:07 PM Subject: Lightning-List: rotating the carb A few weeks ago I asked which way to rotate the carb to possibly even out the egt's. It works. I now have the cht's within 30 degrees of each other and the egt's within 45 degrees of each other. I also noted that after about 30 minutes at cruse they are almost even. Tex href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- 7/3/2008 8:32 AM ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 04, 2008
From: "JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" <lbmathias(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: rotating the carb
OK, that clears up a lot; I thought you really got industrious in the past few weeks! Happy Fourth, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Tex Mantell To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 5:49 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: rotating the carb Linda, I am talking about my kitfox with the 2200 Jabiru. The Lightning is still in the paint shed. Tex ----- Original Message ----- From: JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:29 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: rotating the carb Tex, Sounds like your engine is doing great; I didn't realize that you had flown already. Congratulations! Please send us a picture of the whole plane. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Tex Mantell To: lightning List Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:07 PM Subject: Lightning-List: rotating the carb A few weeks ago I asked which way to rotate the carb to possibly even out the egt's. It works. I now have the cht's within 30 degrees of each other and the egt's within 45 degrees of each other. I also noted that after about 30 minutes at cruse they are almost even. Tex href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - 7/3/2008 8:32 AM href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 7/3/2008 8:32 AM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: rotating the carb
Date: Jul 04, 2008
Hello again Tex Thank you for the explanation. I didn't realize it made a difference. I thought the carb position was fixed and that all cylinders received equal mixture. I have a lot to learn about the Jabiru. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Tex Mantell<mailto:wb2ssj(at)earthlink.net> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:49 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: rotating the carb Gary, It is possible to rotate the carb a few degrees on its mount by loosing the strap which holds it to the engine. By turning the bottom of the carb towards the lean side of the engine ( indicated by the EGT temps on that side) will slightly richen the mixture being drawn thru the Ventura to that side of the intake manifold. Fuel enters the system from a port in the bottom of the carb. This is only a slight difference but can be helpful in obtaining a more even mixture for all cylinders. I hope I have described this correctly, if not someone can chime in. Tex ----- Original Message ----- From: GARY PENNINGTON<mailto:pennington(at)q.com> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: rotating the carb Hello Tex I read your email about rotating the carb. I don't understand what you mean?? Thanks Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Tex Mantell<mailto:wb2ssj(at)earthlink.net> To: lightning List Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: Lightning-List: rotating the carb A few weeks ago I asked which way to rotate the carb to possibly even out the egt's. It works. I now have the cht's within 30 degrees of each other and the egt's within 45 degrees of each other. I also noted that after about 30 minutes at cruse they are almost even. Tex title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List m/Navigator?Lightning-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Tie down and jack point
Date: Jul 04, 2008
I really liked Peter Dasher's wing tie down Idea. I want to try to incorperate both the tie down and a jack pad at each wing. Also I want to keep it recessed or flush with the wing as each little item has drag . Has anyone have any new ideas on this to share? Tex ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Peter and Jan Disher" <pjdisher(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: Tie down and jack point
Date: Jul 05, 2008
Hi Tex, A good Idea from Buz is to use steel angle and weld the nuts to the angles whereby you can screw the eye bolt into the wing only when needed, you would not then drag the eye bolt through the wind. Pete Disher ----- Original Message ----- From: Tex Mantell To: lightning List Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Tie down and jack point I really liked Peter Dasher's wing tie down Idea. I want to try to incorperate both the tie down and a jack pad at each wing. Also I want to keep it recessed or flush with the wing as each little item has drag . Has anyone have any new ideas on this to share? Tex Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 5:03 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: Tie down and jack point
Date: Jul 04, 2008
I saw Peter's tie down idea. I'm going to use it too. I thought about making fairings in front of the islets for drag, but, if they could be recessed, that would be better. Anyone have an idea how? Also, how do you make jack pads on the wings? Thanks everyone. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Tex Mantell<mailto:wb2ssj(at)earthlink.net> To: lightning List Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 5:55 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Tie down and jack point I really liked Peter Dasher's wing tie down Idea. I want to try to incorperate both the tie down and a jack pad at each wing. Also I want to keep it recessed or flush with the wing as each little item has drag Has anyone have any new ideas on this to share? Tex http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List m/Navigator?Lightning-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tie down and jack point
From: "jhausch" <jhausch(at)charter.net>
Date: Jul 05, 2008
Couldn't one make a screw in jack pad, too? Would the "angle bolted to the spar with the nut welded on" be able to support the pad? Maybe instead of welding on a regular nut, one could use a . . (searching for term here) . . collar nut (?) like the ones used to connect 2 lengths of all-thread. That would give a little more axial support and more threads for bearing the weight. . . . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191305#191305 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: AW Inspection coming!
Date: Jul 05, 2008
Looks like if the scheduling works out, I will have my Airworthyness inspection this coming weekend! As always, pictures and video will follow. Jim! www.jimslightning.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: AW Inspection coming!
Date: Jul 06, 2008
Hello Jim Awesome!!!!! I hope you have a great time flying your beautiful plane. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Langley<mailto:pequeajim(at)gmail.com> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 6:02 PM Subject: Lightning-List: AW Inspection coming! Looks like if the scheduling works out, I will have my Airworthyness inspection this coming weekend! As always, pictures and video will follow. Jim! www.jimslightning.com<http://www.jimslightning.com/> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List m/Navigator?Lightning-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 07, 2008
From: <ritchie(at)wave.co.nz>
Subject: Re: AW Inspection coming!
Good onya mate!!! It's been a real pleasure as well as an education being part of your build through your website. Am looking forward to seeing the pics and or videos of the big flight. I too have got all the paper work completed with all the I's dotted and T's crossed. Had hoped to have had ZK TDT in the air this weekend but mother nature did not comply. Looks like next week end now. Cheers from down under Ron Ritchie P.S. We are a day ahead of you folks!! wrote: > Looks like if the scheduling works out, I will have my Airworthyness > inspection this coming weekend! > > > > As always, pictures and video will follow. > > > > > > Jim! > > > > www.jimslightning.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: IFLYSMODEL(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 06, 2008
Subject: Re: AW Inspection coming!
Beautiful airplane, Ron Lynn Nelsen **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: AW Inspection coming!
Date: Jul 06, 2008
Nice Ron. It's nice to see the Lightning together and ready to go! Last time I saw it you were putting the wheel pants together! Jim! -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ritchie(at)wave.co.nz Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: AW Inspection coming! Good onya mate!!! It's been a real pleasure as well as an education being part of your build through your website. Am looking forward to seeing the pics and or videos of the big flight. I too have got all the paper work completed with all the I's dotted and T's crossed. Had hoped to have had ZK TDT in the air this weekend but mother nature did not comply. Looks like next week end now. Cheers from down under Ron Ritchie P.S. We are a day ahead of you folks!! wrote: > Looks like if the scheduling works out, I will have my Airworthyness > inspection this coming weekend! > > > > As always, pictures and video will follow. > > > > > > Jim! > > > > www.jimslightning.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 07, 2008
From: <ritchie(at)wave.co.nz>
Subject: Re: AW Inspection coming!
Thank You Lyn. Very reassuring that it has that 'X " factor that catches the eye of the fairer sex. > Beautiful airplane, Ron > > Lynn Nelsen > > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 07, 2008
From: <ritchie(at)wave.co.nz>
Subject: AW Inspection coming!
Thanks Jim. Yes I remember my time at Shelbyville very vividly rolling around on the concrete trying to get those pants looking as stream lined as Nick's. Very appropriate to have Mike's 'she done you wrong' songs playing in the background. wrote: > > Nice Ron. It's nice to see the Lightning together and ready to go! Last > time I saw it you were putting the wheel pants together! > > Jim! > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > ritchie(at)wave.co.nz > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 8:24 PM > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: AW Inspection coming! > > Good onya mate!!! It's been a real pleasure as well as an education being > part of your build through your website. Am looking forward to seeing the > pics and or videos of the big flight. I too have got all the paper work > completed with all the I's dotted and T's crossed. Had hoped to have had ZK > TDT in the air this weekend but mother nature did not comply. Looks like > next week end now. Cheers from down under Ron Ritchie P.S. We are a day > ahead of you folks!! > > wrote: >> Looks like if the scheduling works out, I will have my Airworthyness >> inspection this coming weekend! >> >> >> >> As always, pictures and video will follow. >> >> >> >> >> >> Jim! >> >> >> >> www.jimslightning.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 06, 2008
Subject: ZK TDT
In a message dated 7/6/2008 8:28:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ritchie(at)wave.co.nz writes: ZK TDT HI Ron, Sorry to hear the weather did not cooperate this past weekend. Hope all goes well for the upcoming weekend. If you don't mind, after the FIRST LIGHTNING IN NEW ZEALAND FLIES (I think that is correct), send me some info and photos for the newsletter. I am sure all the Lightning group will be interested in hearing your story. Blue Skies, Buz Rich **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 06, 2008
Subject: Re: rotating the carb
In a message dated 7/4/2008 8:17:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pennington(at)q.com writes: I have a lot to learn about the Jabiru. Hi Gary, Your words above are a good reminder for me to once again suggest that everyone that is even thinking about using a Jabiru engine should attend the engine seminar. It is time and money well spent. Blue Skies, Buz **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: rotating the carb
Date: Jul 06, 2008
Hey Buz I totally agree. I am planning to attend. I just haven't sent the registration yet. Sure wish there was a seminar out here in Tucson, Arizona. Airfare, lodging and car add about seven hundred dollars to the cost and I still have to fly out there for the three hour transition training. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com<mailto:N1BZRich(at)aol.com> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: rotating the carb In a message dated 7/4/2008 8:17:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pennington(at)q.com writes: I have a lot to learn about the Jabiru. Hi Gary, Your words above are a good reminder for me to once again suggest that everyone that is even thinking about using a Jabiru engine should attend the engine seminar. It is time and money well spent. Blue Skies, Buz ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars<http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007>. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List m/Navigator?Lightning-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 07, 2008
From: <ritchie(at)wave.co.nz>
Subject: Re: ZK TDT
Wilco Buz and that is correct as I understand. Want to get TDT air born then will sit down and put pen to paper and compose a 'Go to Who' summary of this journey. > > In a message dated 7/6/2008 8:28:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ritchie(at)wave.co.nz writes: > > ZK TDT > > > > HI Ron, > Sorry to hear the weather did not cooperate this past weekend. Hope > all > goes well for the upcoming weekend. If you don't mind, after the FIRST > LIGHTNING IN NEW ZEALAND FLIES (I think that is correct), send me some > info and > photos for the newsletter. I am sure all the Lightning group will be > interested in hearing your story. > Blue Skies, > Buz Rich > > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: first Flight
Date: Jul 07, 2008
Jim his email is brownsw(at)att.net I think I have seen him on there. Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft, LLC _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: first Flight Nick: Is Bill on the list? I would like to get in touch with him. Jim! From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:02 PM Subject: Lightning-List: first Flight To Group: I believe a new Lightning has parted ways with the earth. Reports are in from the great white north, with the snow gone and the water going else where that Bill Browns piloted his ship for a while last night from H&S aviation in WI. I hope we get a bit of a pilot report from him soon. Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft, LLC http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 07, 2008
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: first Flight
He got a hold of me, thanks Nick. A bonus was that he also answered my question! (grin) On 7/7/08, flylightning wrote: > > Jim his email is brownsw(at)att.net I think I have seen him on there. > > > Nick Otterback > > Arion Aircraft, LLC > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Langley > *Sent:* Thursday, July 03, 2008 8:46 PM > *To:* lightning-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: Lightning-List: first Flight > > > Nick: > > > Is Bill on the list? I would like to get in touch with him. > > > Jim! > > > *From:* owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *flylightning > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:02 PM > *To:* lightning-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Lightning-List: first Flight > > > To Group: > > > I believe a new Lightning has parted ways with the earth. Reports are in > from the great white north, with the snow gone and the water going else > where that Bill Browns piloted his ship for a while last night from H&S > aviation in WI. I hope we get a bit of a pilot report from him soon=85 > > > Nick Otterback > > Arion Aircraft, LLC > > * * > > * * > > * * > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List* > > * * > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > * * > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 07, 2008
From: "Dick Cleavinger" <n213rc(at)gmail.com>
Subject: over filled oil sump
Hello Listers Those of you that have attended the Jabiru engine seminar will remember that we were told never to overfill the oil sump. Take that advice.!! On Sunday I flew from Cincinatti to Boulder CO. I had a great flight with my new pitch trim system. But I have had an oil drip for the last few weeks and was trying to keep close track of the level. The oil level is difficult to read, especially after an oil change. on the Jabaru dip stick. At Hays KS I added too much. Shortly after I took off the oil temp went to 244deg. I backed off on the power as much as possible and the oil tmp came down to 230 or so. I landed at the first available field, Wakeene KS which seemed to be abanded on Sunday. I remove the cowling and dumped what I estimate to be a pint of oil. I still couldn't get a good reading of oil level. I put the cowling bakck on and took off. The oil temp promptly went to 136deg and stayed there until the end of the flight in Boulder. The outside air temp was between 85 and 90deg at 6500ft and the engine was turning 2850 to 2900 during the flight. I don't thind I damaged anything but it sure told me it didn't like that oil level. moral of the story: Believe Jabriu. Don't overfill your oil sump. Dick Cleavinger n213rc 19th lightning to fly ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: over filled oil sump
Date: Jul 07, 2008
Thanks Dick. Good real life lesson and good advice! From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Cleavinger Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:49 PM Subject: Lightning-List: over filled oil sump Hello Listers Those of you that have attended the Jabiru engine seminar will remember that we were told never to overfill the oil sump. Take that advice.!! On Sunday I flew from Cincinatti to Boulder CO. I had a great flight with my new pitch trim system. But I have had an oil drip for the last few weeks and was trying to keep close track of the level. The oil level is difficult to read, especially after an oil change. on the Jabaru dip stick. At Hays KS I added too much. Shortly after I took off the oil temp went to 244deg. I backed off on the power as much as possible and the oil tmp came down to 230 or so. I landed at the first available field, Wakeene KS which seemed to be abanded on Sunday. I remove the cowling and dumped what I estimate to be a pint of oil. I still couldn't get a good reading of oil level. I put the cowling bakck on and took off. The oil temp promptly went to 136deg and stayed there until the end of the flight in Boulder. The outside air temp was between 85 and 90deg at 6500ft and the engine was turning 2850 to 2900 during the flight. I don't thind I damaged anything but it sure told me it didn't like that oil level. moral of the story: Believe Jabriu. Don't overfill your oil sump. Dick Cleavinger n213rc 19th lightning to fly ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 07, 2008
From: Charles Dewey <cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: BRS
Would a BRS chute have aided in AZ? --- On Mon, 7/7/08, Jim Langley wrote: > From: Jim Langley <pequeajim(at)gmail.com> > Subject: RE: Lightning-List: over filled oil sump > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 9:18 PM > Thanks Dick. > > > > Good real life lesson and good advice! > > > > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Dick > Cleavinger > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:49 PM > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Lightning-List: over filled oil sump > > > > Hello Listers > > > > Those of you that have attended the Jabiru engine seminar > will remember that > we were told never to overfill the oil sump. Take that > advice.!! > > > > On Sunday I flew from Cincinatti to Boulder CO. I had a > great flight with > my new pitch trim system. But > > > > I have had an oil drip for the last few weeks and was > trying to keep close > track of the level. The oil level is difficult to read, > especially after an > oil change. > > on the Jabaru dip stick. At Hays KS I added too much. > Shortly after I took > off the oil temp went to 244deg. I backed off on the power > as much as > possible and the oil tmp came down to 230 or so. I landed > at the first > available field, Wakeene KS which seemed to be abanded on > Sunday. I remove > the cowling and dumped what I estimate to > > be a pint of oil. I still couldn't get a good reading > of oil level. I put > the cowling bakck on and took off. The oil temp promptly > went to 136deg and > stayed there until the end > > of the flight in Boulder. The outside air temp was between > 85 and 90deg at > 6500ft and the engine was turning 2850 to 2900 during the > flight. I don't > thind I damaged anything > > but it sure told me it didn't like that oil level. > > > > moral of the story: Believe Jabriu. Don't overfill > your oil sump. > > > > Dick Cleavinger > > n213rc > > 19th lightning to fly ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: RE: BRS
Date: Jul 08, 2008
No the BRS would not have helped. Nick -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Dewey Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:55 PM Subject: Lightning-List: RE: BRS --> Would a BRS chute have aided in AZ? --- On Mon, 7/7/08, Jim Langley wrote: > From: Jim Langley <pequeajim(at)gmail.com> > Subject: RE: Lightning-List: over filled oil sump > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 9:18 PM > Thanks Dick. > > > > Good real life lesson and good advice! > > > > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick > Cleavinger > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:49 PM > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Lightning-List: over filled oil sump > > > > Hello Listers > > > > Those of you that have attended the Jabiru engine seminar will > remember that we were told never to overfill the oil sump. Take that > advice.!! > > > > On Sunday I flew from Cincinatti to Boulder CO. I had a great flight > with my new pitch trim system. But > > > > I have had an oil drip for the last few weeks and was trying to keep > close track of the level. The oil level is difficult to read, > especially after an oil change. > > on the Jabaru dip stick. At Hays KS I added too much. > Shortly after I took > off the oil temp went to 244deg. I backed off on the power as much as > possible and the oil tmp came down to 230 or so. I landed at the > first available field, Wakeene KS which seemed to be abanded on > Sunday. I remove the cowling and dumped what I estimate to > > be a pint of oil. I still couldn't get a good reading of oil level. > I put the cowling bakck on and took off. The oil temp promptly went > to 136deg and stayed there until the end > > of the flight in Boulder. The outside air temp was between > 85 and 90deg at > 6500ft and the engine was turning 2850 to 2900 during the flight. I > don't thind I damaged anything > > but it sure told me it didn't like that oil level. > > > > moral of the story: Believe Jabriu. Don't overfill your oil sump. > > > > Dick Cleavinger > > n213rc > > 19th lightning to fly ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2008
From: Hugh Sontag <flying(at)qdea.com>
Subject: RE: BRS ?
Why would a BRS not have helped? Perhaps you could share your logic with us. A BRS is generally considered useful for un-landable terrain and loss of control, unless the altitude isn't enough (300 feet AGL is the anecdotal minimum height), or the airspeed is too high for deployment (around 150 MPH). Hugh Sontag > > No the BRS would not have helped. > >Nick > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles >Dewey >Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:55 PM >To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Lightning-List: RE: BRS > >--> > >Would a BRS chute have aided in AZ? > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kayberg(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 08, 2008
Subject: Re: RE: BRS ?
In a message dated 7/8/2008 11:26:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, flying(at)qdea.com writes: Why would a BRS not have helped? Perhaps you could share your logic with us. A BRS is generally considered useful for un-landable terrain and loss of control, unless the altitude isn't enough (300 feet AGL is the anecdotal minimum height), or the airspeed is too high for deployment (around 150 MPH). Hugh Sontag Hugh, I am just guessing, but I think you gave the answer. Nick knows more than he is at liberty to discuss....not to mention the feelings of friends. I would not suggest much of a detailed answer on this medium. Part of the issue is the incomplete nature of the facts and conclusions. Perhaps it is best to just take your answer..... too low or too fast. However, it could also be preocupation with trying to fly the plane. I cannot remember the name of the pilot and instructor, but the BRS equipted plane that ran into a building in New York City did not deploy either. They were too busy trying to make the turn. There have been a significant number of aircraft WITH some kind of recovery parachute that had fatal crashes anyway. BRS publishes the "saves" but not the "failure to deploy". My personal view is that the BRS makes your wife happier....but then the value drops off dramatically. While I am planning to install one in a hot single seat homebuilt I am redoing, I would not do one in a Lightning. In my opinion, a BRS is useful if you dont trust the airframe or if you simply have too high a stall speed and fly over rough terrain. Otherwise it is dead weight...with the exciting potential of accidental discharge! Doug Koenigsberg **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2008
From: Hugh Sontag <flying(at)qdea.com>
Subject: Re: RE: BRS ?
There's no question that pilots tend not to deploy a BRS in circumstances where it may have been the best option. I can understand the reluctance, because it's very much a last resort, and we pilots are by nature optimistic and not inclined to lose hope. Hugh >In a message dated 7/8/2008 11:26:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >flying(at)qdea.com writes: > > >Why would a BRS not have helped? > >Perhaps you could share your logic with us. > >A BRS is generally considered useful for un-landable terrain and loss >of control, unless the altitude isn't enough (300 feet AGL is the >anecdotal minimum height), or the airspeed is too high for deployment >(around 150 MPH). > >Hugh Sontag > >Hugh, > >I am just guessing, but I think you gave the answer. > >Nick knows more than he is at liberty to discuss....not to mention >the feelings of friends. I would not suggest much of a detailed >answer on this medium. Part of the issue is the incomplete nature >of the facts and conclusions. > >Perhaps it is best to just take your answer..... too low or too >fast. However, it could also be preocupation with trying to fly >the plane. I cannot remember the name of the pilot and instructor, >but the BRS equipted plane that ran into a building in New York City >did not deploy either. They were too busy trying to make the turn. > >There have been a significant number of aircraft WITH some kind of >recovery parachute that had fatal crashes anyway. BRS publishes >the "saves" but not the "failure to deploy". > >My personal view is that the BRS makes your wife happier....but then >the value drops off dramatically. While I am planning to install >one in a hot single seat homebuilt I am redoing, I would not do one >in a Lightning. In my opinion, a BRS is useful if you dont trust >the airframe or if you simply have too high a stall speed and fly >over rough terrain. Otherwise it is dead weight...with the >exciting potential of accidental discharge! > >Doug Koenigsberg > > >Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient ><http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007>used cars. > > ><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List ><http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2008
From: Charles Dewey <cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Propeller
Can someone remind me of the differences b/w the wood prop and the compsoite prop. i am primarily interested in sshort field take-off and best prop for fastest cruise speeds. Thanks. --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Hugh Sontag wrote: > From: Hugh Sontag <flying(at)qdea.com> > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: RE: BRS ? > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 12:25 PM > > > There's no question that pilots tend not to deploy a > BRS in > circumstances where it may have been the best option. > > I can understand the reluctance, because it's very much > a last > resort, and we pilots are by nature optimistic and not > inclined to > lose hope. > > Hugh > > >In a message dated 7/8/2008 11:26:37 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > >flying(at)qdea.com writes: > > > > > >Why would a BRS not have helped? > > > >Perhaps you could share your logic with us. > > > >A BRS is generally considered useful for un-landable > terrain and loss > >of control, unless the altitude isn't enough (300 > feet AGL is the > >anecdotal minimum height), or the airspeed is too high > for deployment > >(around 150 MPH). > > > >Hugh Sontag > > > >Hugh, > > > >I am just guessing, but I think you gave the answer. > > > >Nick knows more than he is at liberty to discuss....not > to mention > >the feelings of friends. I would not suggest much of a > detailed > >answer on this medium. Part of the issue is the > incomplete nature > >of the facts and conclusions. > > > >Perhaps it is best to just take your answer..... too > low or too > >fast. However, it could also be preocupation with > trying to fly > >the plane. I cannot remember the name of the pilot > and instructor, > >but the BRS equipted plane that ran into a building in > New York City > >did not deploy either. They were too busy trying to > make the turn. > > > >There have been a significant number of aircraft WITH > some kind of > >recovery parachute that had fatal crashes anyway. BRS > publishes > >the "saves" but not the "failure to > deploy". > > > >My personal view is that the BRS makes your wife > happier....but then > >the value drops off dramatically. While I am planning > to install > >one in a hot single seat homebuilt I am redoing, I > would not do one > >in a Lightning. In my opinion, a BRS is useful if you > dont trust > >the airframe or if you simply have too high a stall > speed and fly > >over rough terrain. Otherwise it is dead > weight...with the > >exciting potential of accidental discharge! > > > >Doug Koenigsberg > > > > > > > > > >Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient > ><http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007>used > cars. > > > > > ><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > ><http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark Stauffer" <mark.stauffer1(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Propeller
Date: Jul 08, 2008
The wood prop is fixed pitch. The Carbon fiber prop is ground adjustable. Which do you want, short field/climb performance or best cruise? Very seldom do you get both out of the same prop, there is usually a compromise somewhere. -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Dewey Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:24 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Propeller Can someone remind me of the differences b/w the wood prop and the compsoite prop. i am primarily interested in sshort field take-off and best prop for fastest cruise speeds. Thanks. --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Hugh Sontag wrote: > From: Hugh Sontag <flying(at)qdea.com> > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: RE: BRS ? > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 12:25 PM > > > There's no question that pilots tend not to deploy a > BRS in > circumstances where it may have been the best option. > > I can understand the reluctance, because it's very much > a last > resort, and we pilots are by nature optimistic and not > inclined to > lose hope. > > Hugh > > >In a message dated 7/8/2008 11:26:37 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > >flying(at)qdea.com writes: > > > > > >Why would a BRS not have helped? > > > >Perhaps you could share your logic with us. > > > >A BRS is generally considered useful for un-landable > terrain and loss > >of control, unless the altitude isn't enough (300 > feet AGL is the > >anecdotal minimum height), or the airspeed is too high > for deployment > >(around 150 MPH). > > > >Hugh Sontag > > > >Hugh, > > > >I am just guessing, but I think you gave the answer. > > > >Nick knows more than he is at liberty to discuss....not > to mention > >the feelings of friends. I would not suggest much of a > detailed > >answer on this medium. Part of the issue is the > incomplete nature > >of the facts and conclusions. > > > >Perhaps it is best to just take your answer..... too > low or too > >fast. However, it could also be preocupation with > trying to fly > >the plane. I cannot remember the name of the pilot > and instructor, > >but the BRS equipted plane that ran into a building in > New York City > >did not deploy either. They were too busy trying to > make the turn. > > > >There have been a significant number of aircraft WITH > some kind of > >recovery parachute that had fatal crashes anyway. BRS > publishes > >the "saves" but not the "failure to > deploy". > > > >My personal view is that the BRS makes your wife > happier....but then > >the value drops off dramatically. While I am planning > to install > >one in a hot single seat homebuilt I am redoing, I > would not do one > >in a Lightning. In my opinion, a BRS is useful if you > dont trust > >the airframe or if you simply have too high a stall > speed and fly > >over rough terrain. Otherwise it is dead > weight...with the > >exciting potential of accidental discharge! > > > >Doug Koenigsberg > > > > > > > > > >Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient > ><http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007>used > cars. > > > > > ><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List>http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Lightning-List > ><http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contributio n > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2008
From: Charles Dewey <cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Propeller
Mark: Fastest cruise is my main concern. --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Mark Stauffer wrote: > From: Mark Stauffer <mark.stauffer1(at)gmail.com> > Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Propeller > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 11:49 PM > Stauffer" > > The wood prop is fixed pitch. The Carbon fiber prop is > ground adjustable. > > Which do you want, short field/climb performance or best > cruise? Very seldom > do you get both out of the same prop, there is usually a > compromise > somewhere. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Charles > Dewey > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:24 PM > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Propeller > > > > Can someone remind me of the differences b/w the wood prop > and the compsoite > prop. i am primarily interested in sshort field take-off > and best prop for > fastest cruise speeds. Thanks. > > > --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Hugh Sontag > wrote: > > > From: Hugh Sontag <flying(at)qdea.com> > > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: RE: BRS ? > > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > > Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 12:25 PM > > > > > > There's no question that pilots tend not to deploy > a > > BRS in > > circumstances where it may have been the best option. > > > > I can understand the reluctance, because it's very > much > > a last > > resort, and we pilots are by nature optimistic and not > > inclined to > > lose hope. > > > > Hugh > > > > >In a message dated 7/8/2008 11:26:37 AM Eastern > > Daylight Time, > > >flying(at)qdea.com writes: > > > > > > > > >Why would a BRS not have helped? > > > > > >Perhaps you could share your logic with us. > > > > > >A BRS is generally considered useful for > un-landable > > terrain and loss > > >of control, unless the altitude isn't enough > (300 > > feet AGL is the > > >anecdotal minimum height), or the airspeed is too > high > > for deployment > > >(around 150 MPH). > > > > > >Hugh Sontag > > > > > >Hugh, > > > > > >I am just guessing, but I think you gave the > answer. > > > > > >Nick knows more than he is at liberty to > discuss....not > > to mention > > >the feelings of friends. I would not suggest much > of a > > detailed > > >answer on this medium. Part of the issue is the > > incomplete nature > > >of the facts and conclusions. > > > > > >Perhaps it is best to just take your answer..... > too > > low or too > > >fast. However, it could also be preocupation > with > > trying to fly > > >the plane. I cannot remember the name of the > pilot > > and instructor, > > >but the BRS equipted plane that ran into a > building in > > New York City > > >did not deploy either. They were too busy trying > to > > make the turn. > > > > > >There have been a significant number of aircraft > WITH > > some kind of > > >recovery parachute that had fatal crashes anyway. > BRS > > publishes > > >the "saves" but not the "failure to > > deploy". > > > > > >My personal view is that the BRS makes your wife > > happier....but then > > >the value drops off dramatically. While I am > planning > > to install > > >one in a hot single seat homebuilt I am redoing, > I > > would not do one > > >in a Lightning. In my opinion, a BRS is useful > if you > > dont trust > > >the airframe or if you simply have too high a > stall > > speed and fly > > >over rough terrain. Otherwise it is dead > > weight...with the > > >exciting potential of accidental discharge! > > > > > >Doug Koenigsberg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > > fuel-efficient > > > ><http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007>used > > cars. > > > > > > > > > ><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List>http://www.matronics.com > /Navigator?Lightning-List > > > ><http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contributio > n > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Walt Mendenhall" <mendw(at)onlinemac.com>
Subject: FW: BRS
Date: Jul 08, 2008
-----Original Message----- From: Walt Mendenhall [mailto:mendw(at)onlinemac.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:37 PM Subject: BRS I have kit # 62 with a BRS and think its still a good investment. I was a T-38 instructor in the Air Force and always wore a parachute, I was a highly trained pilot and flew the best built and maintained aircraft in the world, yet the military installed ejection seats in all high performance aircraft because the pilots life was more valuable than the plane. True, we could not ditch if we wanted too, but the idea of not taking advantage of modern technoloy like a BRS because you think your piloting skills in a good aircraft will always save your bacon is misguided. It might work 90% of the time, but situations develop that will either kill or seriously injure you no matter how good you think you are. That is when the BRS comes into play, I chose the lightning because I could put one in it--too me its worth its weight in gold--the day I really need it! There is an old saying---there are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are very few old, bold pilots---take it for what its worth. Walt Mendenhall walt(at)mendenhallstudio.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2008
From: Phil McCandless <pmccand(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Why are the constant speed props used on the lightning?
Why is no one using the constant speed props on the Lightning?- It is use d on many Jabiru 3300 installations.- Why not the Lightning? Phil Mc C a n d l e s =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2008
From: Phil McCandless <pmccand(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Why are the constant speed props used on the lightning?
Why is no one using the constant speed props on the Lightning?- It is use d on many Jabiru 3300 installations.- Why not the Lightning? Phil Mc C a n d l e s =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark Stauffer" <mark(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Why are the constant speed props used on the lightning?
Date: Jul 09, 2008
What type of constant speed prop set up are you talking about? Who is the manufacturer? -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Phil McCandless Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:39 AM To: Lightning-List Digest List; lightning-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Lightning-List: Why are the constant speed props used on the lightning? Why is no one using the constant speed props on the Lightning? It is used on many Jabiru 3300 installations. Why not the Lightning? Phil Mc C a n d l e s D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== ========= ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pete" <pete(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Why are the constant speed props used on the lightning?
Date: Jul 09, 2008
Constant speed props are used on VERY FEW Jabiru engine installations. I think the reason might be that the gain in performance is not worth the large expense of the prop. We did try a three blade Air Master prop with Warp Drive blades on an Esqual back in 2003 and found that we lost 12 mph in cruise from the wood prop we had used on it. We could get great climb but no matter how much pitch we added the cruise speed was not up to the performance of the wood prop. Pete Krotje Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil McCandless Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:39 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Why are the constant speed props used on the lightning? Why is no one using the constant speed props on the Lightning? It is used on many Jabiru 3300 installations. Why not the Lightning? Phil Mc C a n d l e s ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: ATT. NICK
Date: Jul 09, 2008
Nick, I am trying to come up with a combination tie down point / jack pad. The access to the wing is thru the bell crank hole which is 98" from the fuse. I would expect to have 400 lbs. on the jack pad and was wondering if the spar would support that weight in that area. How do you now support the plane for service of a tire or gear ? Your input would be greatly appreciated. Tex ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 09, 2008
Subject: Re: ATT. NICK
Hi Tex, Let me jump in here and suggest that you will probably need to provide Nick one additional piece of info for him to be able to figure the actual forces you are talking about. That additional info is - how are you going to use the jack points? What I mean by that is will you only use one at a time to raise just one main wheel off the ground, or do you intend to pick up the complete airplane by using both wing jack points and a tail stand? If you are only gong to lift one main wheel and leave the other main wheel and the nose wheel on the ground than you don't have a 400 pound load near the area of the aileron bell chank. So far I have seen no need for a jack point as there are two simple ways to pick up one wheel for maintenance. One way, just have someone get under one wing (on their hands and knees) out about mid span or more and push up under the spar. When they have the main gear up, place a padded crate (or saw horse -something to hold the wing up) so your buddy is not on his knees for too long a time. The other way, is to find a small scissor jack (like came with the older Corvettes) that will actually fit under the main gear leg bottom fitting and just jack up that wheel. I have also used a floor jack but sometimes I need to air the tire up a little to get the floor jack to fit under the lower gear leg fitting. I have used all of the above procedures on both Lightnings and Esquals with no problems. But your idea of having a jack point in each wing will certainly come in handy when you are doing landing gear retract test. ;-) Blue Skies, Buz **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: ATT. NICK
Date: Jul 09, 2008
Another way is to use a cheap ATV jack. They go down flat and lift fairly high. You can always put a box with padding on top of it to increase the height. I found one used for $35.00. Here's a link to what they look like. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=2792 Jim! From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 9:55 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: ATT. NICK Hi Tex, Let me jump in here and suggest that you will probably need to provide Nick one additional piece of info for him to be able to figure the actual forces you are talking about. That additional info is - how are you going to use the jack points? What I mean by that is will you only use one at a time to raise just one main wheel off the ground, or do you intend to pick up the complete airplane by using both wing jack points and a tail stand? If you are only gong to lift one main wheel and leave the other main wheel and the nose wheel on the ground than you don't have a 400 pound load near the area of the aileron bell chank. So far I have seen no need for a jack point as there are two simple ways to pick up one wheel for maintenance. One way, just have someone get under one wing (on their hands and knees) out about mid span or more and push up under the spar. When they have the main gear up, place a padded crate (or saw horse -something to hold the wing up) so your buddy is not on his knees for too long a time. The other way, is to find a small scissor jack (like came with the older Corvettes) that will actually fit under the main gear leg bottom fitting and just jack up that wheel. I have also used a floor jack but sometimes I need to air the tire up a little to get the floor jack to fit under the lower gear leg fitting. I have used all of the above procedures on both Lightnings and Esquals with no problems. But your idea of having a jack point in each wing will certainly come in handy when you are doing landing gear retract test. ;-) Blue Skies, Buz _____ Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out <http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112> TourTracker.com! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark Stauffer" <mark(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: ATT. NICK
Date: Jul 10, 2008
Tex, In the shop we use the "handy jack" that can be found here: http://aviationtechproducts.com/html/products_pics.html#RVJACK. It uses a cable that wraps around the axel on the inboard side of the wheel. This device along with a floor jack works very well for us. If we've needed to service the gear leg or axel then we've used Buz's method. Hope this helps. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tex Mantell Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 1:43 PM To: lightning List Subject: Lightning-List: ATT. NICK Nick, I am trying to come up with a combination tie down point / jack pad. The access to the wing is thru the bell crank hole which is 98" from the fuse. I would expect to have 400 lbs. on the jack pad and was wondering if the spar would support that weight in that area. How do you now support the plane for service of a tire or gear ? Your input would be greatly appreciated. Tex ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 10, 2008
From: Phil McCandless <pmccand(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Constant speed prop
Pete, I am talking specifically about the Airmaster constant speed (variable pitc h) prop. Find it at http://www.propellor.com/ I find it interesting that when one brand of adjustable prop was tried on t he Esqual there was a 12 mph LOSS in speed as compared to the woodie prop. - That only means one thing... that the maximum pitch on the prop used is less than the fixed pitch of the wooded one.- I bet that if apples were compared to apples (inches to inches), we might get at least the same perfo rmance at cruise and perhaps better if the pitch was increased over the fix ed version. On the Airmaster website, there are specifications for a Jabiru 3300 on an esqual.- Performance reports for the esqual are only for the Rotax 912S e ngine, but Bert Flood in Australia used an Airmaster AP332 on his plane and reported: - "I am really pleased with the Airmaster propeller, it performs really well. - Cruise at 75% power is 130kts with a climb of 1200ft/m. -Top speed is now 148kts.- It=A2s really great to fly." Airmaster has a lot of application specs for aircraft using the Jabiru 3300 engine including the Storm, Esqual, Jabiru, and 20+ installations.- That 's why I am asking...Just haven't head of anyone trying this on the Lightni ng. Phil Mc C a n d l e ss What type of constant speed prop set up are you talking about? Who is the manufacturer? =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 10, 2008
From: Phil McCandless <pmccand(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Constant speed prop
Pete, I am talking specifically about the Airmaster constant speed (variable pitc h) prop. Find it at http://www.propellor.com/ I find it interesting that when one brand of adjustable prop was tried on t he Esqual there was a 12 mph LOSS in speed as compared to the woodie prop. - That only means one thing... that the maximum pitch on the prop used is less than the fixed pitch of the wooded one.- I bet that if apples were compared to apples (inches to inches), we might get at least the same perfo rmance at cruise and perhaps better if the pitch was increased over the fix ed version. On the Airmaster website, there are specifications for a Jabiru 3300 on an esqual.- Performance reports for the esqual are only for the Rotax 912S e ngine, but Bert Flood in Australia used an Airmaster AP332 on his plane and reported: - "I am really pleased with the Airmaster propeller, it performs really well. - Cruise at 75% power is 130kts with a climb of 1200ft/m. -Top speed is now 148kts.- It=A2s really great to fly." Airmaster has a lot of application specs for aircraft using the Jabiru 3300 engine including the Storm, Esqual, Jabiru, and 20+ installations.- That 's why I am asking...Just haven't head of anyone trying this on the Lightni ng. Phil Mc C a n d l e ss What type of constant speed prop set up are you talking about? Who is the manufacturer? =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pete" <pete(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Re: Constant speed prop
Date: Jul 10, 2008
It was possible to put much more pitch into the airmaster than the wood prop. The problem lies with the Warp Drive blades and their airfoil profile. Turning them at 2000 to 2300 as would happen on a Rotax seems to work well on an Esqual although we could duplicate Bert Flood's speed numbers on our Esqual with the 80 hp Jabiru and wood prop. When you try to turn the Warp blades at 2850 to 3000 rpm as you would on a Jabiru they lose so much efficiency that the induced drag of the blades eat up the hp that would otherwise be converted to speed. We've seen the same thing with Jabiru Aircraft. Andy Silvester had an Airmaster on the J400 while we had a Sensenich Wood on our J200. Andy had a small advantage in climb but no advantage in speed or fuel economy. Several have tried airmaster or MT in flight adjustables on Europa's with no speed advantage over a good wood prop. In fact there are Jabiru powered Europa's with wood props that are significantly faster than the variable prop versions. Based on our experience an airmaster is unproductive extra expense. Pete _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil McCandless Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:42 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Constant speed prop Pete, I am talking specifically about the Airmaster constant speed (variable pitch) prop. Find it at http://www.propellor.com/ I find it interesting that when one brand of adjustable prop was tried on the Esqual there was a 12 mph LOSS in speed as compared to the woodie prop. That only means one thing... that the maximum pitch on the prop used is less than the fixed pitch of the wooded one. I bet that if apples were compared to apples (inches to inches), we might get at least the same performance at cruise and perhaps better if the pitch was increased over the fixed version. On the Airmaster website, there are specifications for a Jabiru 3300 on an esqual. Performance reports for the esqual are only for the Rotax 912S engine, but Bert Flood in Australia used an Airmaster AP332 on his plane and reported: "I am really pleased with the Airmaster propeller, it performs really well. Cruise at 75% power is 130kts with a climb of 1200ft/m. Top speed is now 148kts. It?s really great to fly." Airmaster has a lot of application specs for aircraft using the Jabiru 3300 engine including the Storm, Esqual, Jabiru, and 20+ installations. That's why I am asking...Just haven't head of anyone trying this on the Lightning. Phil Mc C a n d l e ss What type of constant speed prop set up are you talking about? Who is the manufacturer? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kayberg(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 10, 2008
Subject: Re: Constant speed prop
In a message dated 7/10/2008 10:41:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pete(at)flylightning.net writes: It was possible to put much more pitch into the airmaster than the wood prop. The problem lies with the Warp Drive blades and their airfoil profi le. Turning them at 2000 to 2300 as would happen on a Rotax seems to work well o n an Esqual although we could duplicate Bert Flood=99s speed numbers on our Esqual with the 80 hp Jabiru and wood prop. Our experience with Warp Drive was similar on other aircraft. The great virtue for Warp Drive is in water environments, not for top speed. Even wi th Rotax 912 series the top end suffered. A three blade IVO delivered the be st thrust at low speed and best (with inflight adjust) top speed. but I would not put an IVO on a Jabiru engine for all the tea in China. A recent experience at Green Landings showed the latest design Sensnich woo d prop on a Lightning added 10 mph or more along with better climb (slightly longer takeoff) over the ground adjust composite Sensnich. It's an easy decision. Doug Koenigsberg **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Constant speed prop
Date: Jul 10, 2008
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
Doug, what is the 'latest design' Sensenich? A new profile? How new? Regards, Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kayberg(at)aol.com Sent: 10 July 2008 16:34 Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Constant speed prop In a message dated 7/10/2008 10:41:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pete(at)flylightning.net writes: It was possible to put much more pitch into the airmaster than the wood prop. The problem lies with the Warp Drive blades and their airfoil profile. Turning them at 2000 to 2300 as would happen on a Rotax seems to work well on an Esqual although we could duplicate Bert Flood's speed numbers on our Esqual with the 80 hp Jabiru and wood prop. Our experience with Warp Drive was similar on other aircraft. The great virtue for Warp Drive is in water environments, not for top speed. Even with Rotax 912 series the top end suffered. A three blade IVO delivered the best thrust at low speed and best (with inflight adjust) top speed. but I would not put an IVO on a Jabiru engine for all the tea in China. A recent experience at Green Landings showed the latest design Sensnich wood prop on a Lightning added 10 mph or more along with better climb (slightly longer takeoff) over the ground adjust composite Sensnich. It's an easy decision. Doug Koenigsberg ________________________________ Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com <http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112> ! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kayberg(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 10, 2008
Subject: Re: Constant speed prop
In a message dated 7/10/2008 1:24:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, clive.james(at)uk.bp.com writes: --> Lightning-List message posted by: "James, Clive R" Doug, what is the 'latest design' Sensenich? A new profile? How new? Regards, Clive It is the "FZ" if memory serves. It is the prop Buz and Nick have been testing on the prototype and the demonstrator. It is new in the sense that it has been out for about 8 months. It is the first time we have used one on a Green Landings build. Jim's Lightning will have one also.... he should be approved for first flight after this weekend. Doug **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 10, 2008
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Constant speed prop
CAN'T WAIT!! On 7/10/08, Kayberg(at)aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/10/2008 1:24:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > clive.james(at)uk.bp.com writes: > > clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> > > Doug, what is the 'latest design' Sensenich? A new profile? How new? > > Regards, Clive > > > It is the "FZ" if memory serves. It is the prop Buz and Nick have been > testing on the prototype and the demonstrator. > > It is new in the sense that it has been out for about 8 months. It is the > first time we have used one on a Green Landings build. Jim's Lightning will > have one also.... he should be approved for first flight after this weekend. > > Doug > > > ------------------------------ > Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in > your area - Check out TourTracker.com<http://www.tourtracker.com/?NCID=aolmus00050000000112> > ! > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Brian Whittingham <dashvii(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Constant speed prop
Date: Jul 10, 2008
Phil, None of these are new questions. Generally speaking I think that you're much better off with less blades. That is unless you have enough power and need more blades because a 2 blader would be too long. Don't underestimate the difference in rotational mass either. Those wood props are something like 5 pounds and I think the ground adjustable is like 25 pounds. I would also think that changes in RPM would be easier on the internal stresses of the engine with the wooden prop. A huge factor in my mind would be that the cost is very small for a good wooden prop. The craftsmanship also appeals to me. Finally, you are very likely that if you get a prop strike with a wooden prop that you won't have to rebuild the engine. Just my .02 Brian W. _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_072008 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Constant speed prop
From: "jhausch" <jhausch(at)charter.net>
Date: Jul 11, 2008
I wonder if the weight difference causes a fwd cg shift which would adversely affect the cruise speed? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192239#192239 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: EAFerguson(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 11, 2008
Subject: Prop weights
In a message dated 7/11/2008 7:17:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jhausch(at)charter.net writes: I wonder if the weight difference causes a fwd cg shift which would adversely affect the cruise speed? The ground adjustable prop only weighs 2 lbs more than the wood prop. The extra weight is in the metal prop hub, so the rotational moment of inertia may be less for the ground adjustable. Unless you're trying to reduce weight like I was for the coast-to-coast record run, the weight difference isn't significant. Naturally you should do a revised W&B if you change. Earl Ferguson **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 11, 2008
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Just did Weught and Balance
We just weighed the Lightning today and the total weight came out to 816. That is a little more than I would have liked, but still, very workable. With my large frame, the best way to get more useful load now will be to lose weight. Inspection tomorrow and then phase one taxi testing. Jim! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 11, 2008
Subject: Re: Just did Weught and Balance
In a message dated 7/11/2008 10:27:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pequeajim(at)gmail.com writes: total weight came out to 816 I think that is great Jim. Not far off from the new 2008 Demo. Good luck tomorrow, but I am sure it will go well. Buz **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: Just did Weught and Balance
Date: Jul 12, 2008
Hello Jim I just wanted to wish you all the best in your inspection and test flights. You have built a beautiful airplane! Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Langley<mailto:pequeajim(at)gmail.com> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 7:24 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Just did Weught and Balance We just weighed the Lightning today and the total weight came out to 816. That is a little more than I would have liked, but still, very workable. With my large frame, the best way to get more useful load now will be to lose weight. Inspection tomorrow and then phase one taxi testing. Jim! http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List m/Navigator?Lightning-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: We're airworthy!
Date: Jul 13, 2008
I'm happy to announce that Jim's Lightning received it's airworthiness certificate today, 7-12-2008 at 2:15pm at the Green Landings build center. Well, I don't really know what time the certificate was issued, but it did go down today, and it was at Green Landings. We did some preliminary taxi testing, and will pick up on phase one testing next weekend. Look for updated videos at www.jimslightning.com Jim! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Colin J. Kennedy" <cjk129(at)cox.net>
Subject: We're airworthy!
Date: Jul 13, 2008
Congratulations Jim! Onwards and upwards. Colin K. OK Lightning # 52 under construction. http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 11:10 PM Subject: Lightning-List: We're airworthy! I'm happy to announce that Jim's Lightning received it's airworthiness certificate today, 7-12-2008 at 2:15pm at the Green Landings build center. Well, I don't really know what time the certificate was issued, but it did go down today, and it was at Green Landings. We did some preliminary taxi testing, and will pick up on phase one testing next weekend. Look for updated videos at www.jimslightning.com Jim! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Camloc frustration
Date: Jul 13, 2008
Do any of you have Camloc frustration? What do you do on the Lightning to keep from losing Camlocs when removing the cowl? I understand that Spruce sells retaining rings/washers? Does this work with the Lightning cowl? Jim! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 13, 2008
From: Pat Phillips <jojatek86(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: We're airworthy!
Congratulation Jim! I've been following your progress on your website. As s oon as my son finishes college, I'm starting on my Lighning. Can't wait to hear how the MGL avionics perform.=0A=0A =0APat Phillips=0ALawrenceville, G A=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Jim Langley <pequeajim@gma il.com>=0ATo: lightning-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 12 :09:35 AM=0ASubject: Lightning-List: We're airworthy!=0A=0A =0AI=92m happy to announce that Jim=92s Lightning received=0Ait=92s airworthiness certific ate today, 7-12-2008 at 2:15pm at the Green=0ALandings build center=85=0A =0AWell, I don=92t really know what time the certificate was=0Aissued, but it did go down today, and it was at Green Landings.=0A =0AWe did some preli minary taxi testing, and will pick up on phase=0Aone testing next weekend. =0A =0ALook for updated videos at www.jimslightning.com=0A =0AJim!=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Davis" <johnsdtn40(at)charter.net>
Subject: Lightning For Sale
Date: Jul 13, 2008
To all of you that would like to have a "real" Quick build go to Barnstormers dot com and search on Lightning. Health forces me to sell my baby. :-( Thanks for looking. John Davis _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Camloc frustration Do any of you have Camloc frustration? What do you do on the Lightning to keep from losing Camlocs when removing the cowl? I understand that Spruce sells retaining rings/washers? Does this work with the Lightning cowl? Jim! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Davis" <johnsdtn40(at)charter.net>
Subject: Camloc frustration
Date: Jul 13, 2008
I have the retaining rings on my camloc's and they work fine. Good luck John Davis _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Camloc frustration Do any of you have Camloc frustration? What do you do on the Lightning to keep from losing Camlocs when removing the cowl? I understand that Spruce sells retaining rings/washers? Does this work with the Lightning cowl? Jim! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: We're airworthy!
Date: Jul 13, 2008
From: n5pb(at)aol.com
Jim, Congratulations on your Airworthiness Certificate!=C2-=C2- I've been fol lowing the build and chat as you've been working through your build.=C2- I t's a beautiful aircraft.=C2- I begin my build in September at shelbyville .=C2- Now if I can only design something as stunning as yours!=C2- Any i deas you tossed away???=C2- Hope to see you at Sun-n-fun.... Paul -----Original Message----- From: Jim Langley <pequeajim(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:09 am Subject: Lightning-List: We're airworthy! I=99m happy to announce that Jim=99s Lightning received it =99s airworthiness certificate today, 7-12-2008 at 2:15pm at the Green La ndings build center =C2- Well, I don=99t really know what time the certificate was issued, but it did go down today, and it was at Green Landings. =C2- We did some preliminary taxi testing, and will pick up on phase one testing next weekend. =C2- Look for updated videos at www.jimslightning.com =C2- Jim! [Image Removed] [Image Removed] ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lightning For Sale
Date: Jul 13, 2008
From: n5pb(at)aol.com
John I spoke to Nick (from the Lightning folks in shelbyville) on Friday about th e possibility of someone who might have a plane lift.=C2- He thought you m ight have one for sale.=C2- If you do I might be interested in buying it. thanks Paul Bryant Clearwater Florida -----Original Message----- From: John Davis <johnsdtn40(at)charter.net> Sent: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:36 pm Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning For Sale To all of you that would like to have a =9Creal=9D Quick build =C2- go to Barnstormers dot com and search on Lightning.=C2- =C2- Health forces me to sell my baby.=C2- L Thanks for looking. =C2- John Davis =C2- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list -server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Camloc frustration =C2- Do any of you have Camloc frustration? =C2- What do you do on the Lightning to keep from losing Camlocs when removing th e cowl? =C2- I understand that Spruce sells retaining rings/washers?=C2- Does this work with the Lightning cowl? =C2- Jim! =C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- -= - The Lightning-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Na vigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! -= --> http://forums.matronics.com -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: Camloc frustration
Date: Jul 13, 2008
Hello Jim First, congrats on the inspection. Your airplane is a show stopper! I do not have experience with the brand of Cam Locks used on Lightings, but the Cam Locks used on my other two airplanes were a pain in the $@&!. I finally removed all of them on both planes and installed nut plates on the lower half of the cowling and used stainless steel machine screws with rubber backed metal washer on the outside of the top half of the cowling. It was much faster and less frustrating and they never vibrated loose. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Langley<mailto:pequeajim(at)gmail.com> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:46 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Camloc frustration Do any of you have Camloc frustration? What do you do on the Lightning to keep from losing Camlocs when removing the cowl? I understand that Spruce sells retaining rings/washers? Does this work with the Lightning cowl? Jim! http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List m/Navigator?Lightning-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 14, 2008
From: <ritchie(at)wave.co.nz>
Subject: Re: We're airworthy!
Congratulations Jim. Have enjoyed your build. Am looking forward to getting TDT into the air shortly as well. Ron wrote: > I'm happy to announce that Jim's Lightning received it's airworthiness > certificate today, 7-12-2008 at 2:15pm at the Green Landings build center. > > > > Well, I don't really know what time the certificate was issued, but it did > go down today, and it was at Green Landings. > > > > We did some preliminary taxi testing, and will pick up on phase one > testing > next weekend. > > > > Look for updated videos at www.jimslightning.com > > > > Jim! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Davis" <johnsdtn40(at)charter.net>
Subject: Lightning For Sale
Date: Jul 13, 2008
Paul. The lift that I have is sold as soon as I get the lightning sold. Sorry Cant help John Davis _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of n5pb(at)aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 2:34 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning For Sale John I spoke to Nick (from the Lightning folks in shelbyville) on Friday about the possibility of someone who might have a plane lift. He thought you might have one for sale. If you do I might be interested in buying it. thanks Paul Bryant Clearwater Florida -----Original Message----- From: John Davis <johnsdtn40(at)charter.net> Sent: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:36 pm Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning For Sale To all of you that would like to have a "real" Quick build go to Barnstormers dot com and search on Lightning. Health forces me to sell my baby. :-( Thanks for looking. John Davis _____ From: <mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com> owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [ mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Camloc frustration Do any of you have Camloc frustration? What do you do on the Lightning to keep from losing Camlocs when removing the cowl? I understand that Spruce sells retaining rings/ washers? Does this work with the Lightning cowl? Jim! <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> http://www.matronics.com/contribution tning-List Email Forum - target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List ://forums.matronics.com lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution _____ The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. <http://toolbar.aol.com/tmz/download.html?NCID=aolcmp00050000000014> Get the TMZ Toolbar Now! http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lightning For Sale
From: "rickss" <rickss(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jul 13, 2008
Sorry to hear you have to sell your lightning. She sure is a beauty! -Rick -------- Cherokee driver, but feeling the need for speed! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192518#192518 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: We're airworthy!
From: "rickss" <rickss(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jul 13, 2008
Congratulations Jim! Thanks for keeping all of us posted during your build. If you need to fly off some of those hours, bring her down to Culpeper, VA (CJR) sometime. -Rick -------- Cherokee driver, but feeling the need for speed! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192521#192521 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Johnny Thompson" <14az(at)mysprocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Lightning For Sale
Date: Jul 13, 2008
Paul Yes Paul, I do have a aero lift and it is great. I have just moved it to Greg Hobbs hanger and am not sure what I will do with it. I have sold 4 of my airplanes with 2 more left for sale. I will be down to the lighting only. In Picture it is set up for a tail dragger but I have all parts for a nose wheel also. I will give Greg first offer. Please feel free to call or email direct and will be glad to talk aircraft lifts. (520) 742-5868 or 14az(at)mysprocketmail.com Johnny Thompson ----- Original Message ----- From: n5pb(at)aol.com To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 12:33 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning For Sale John I spoke to Nick (from the Lightning folks in shelbyville) on Friday about the possibility of someone who might have a plane lift. He thought you might have one for sale. If you do I might be interested in buying it. thanks Paul Bryant Clearwater Florida -----Original Message----- From: John Davis <johnsdtn40(at)charter.net> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:36 pm Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning For Sale To all of you that would like to have a =9Creal=9D Quick build go to Barnstormers dot com and search on Lightning. Health forces me to sell my baby. L Thanks for looking. John Davis ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:47 AM To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Lightning-List: Camloc frustration Do any of you have Camloc frustration? What do you do on the Lightning to keep from losing Camlocs when removing the cowl? I understand that Spruce sells retaining rings/ washers? Does this work with the Lightning cowl? Jim! http://www.matronics.com/contribution tning-List Email Forum - target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List ://forums.matronics.com lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Lightning For Sale
Date: Jul 13, 2008
And may I add that it's a pretty one too! From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Davis Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 12:36 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning For Sale To all of you that would like to have a "real" Quick build go to Barnstormers dot com and search on Lightning. Health forces me to sell my baby. L Thanks for looking. John Davis _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Camloc frustration Do any of you have Camloc frustration? What do you do on the Lightning to keep from losing Camlocs when removing the cowl? I understand that Spruce sells retaining rings/washers? Does this work with the Lightning cowl? Jim! http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: We're airworthy!
Date: Jul 13, 2008
Good luck to you Paul. Anything I can to, or anything you want to use from my airplane is yours to do with as you like From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of n5pb(at)aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 2:00 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: We're airworthy! Jim, Congratulations on your Airworthiness Certificate! I've been following the build and chat as you've been working through your build. It's a beautiful aircraft. I begin my build in September at shelbyville. Now if I can only design something as stunning as yours! Any ideas you tossed away??? Hope to see you at Sun-n-fun.... Paul -----Original Message----- From: Jim Langley <pequeajim(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:09 am Subject: Lightning-List: We're airworthy! I=99m happy to announce that Jim=99s Lightning received it=99s airworthiness certificate today, 7-12-2008 at 2:15pm at the Green Landings build center Well, I don=99t really know what time the certificate was issued, but it did go down today, and it was at Green Landings. We did some preliminary taxi testing, and will pick up on phase one testing next weekend. Look for updated videos at <http://www.jimslightning.com/> www.jimslightning.com Jim! <http://webmail.aol.com/37668/aol/en-us/Mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=1. 20630125&folder=NewMail&partId=4> [Image Removed] <http://webmail.aol.com/37668/aol/en-us/Mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=1. 20630125&folder=NewMail&partId=5> [Image Removed] _____ The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. <http://toolbar.aol.com/tmz/download.html?NCID=aolcmp00050000000014> Get the TMZ Toolbar Now! http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Camloc frustration
Date: Jul 13, 2008
Thanks Gary for the ideas. I guess as I fly the airplane, I will figure it out. This list is great for these kind of things. Jim! From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Camloc frustration Hello Jim First, congrats on the inspection. Your airplane is a show stopper! I do not have experience with the brand of Cam Locks used on Lightings, but the Cam Locks used on my other two airplanes were a pain in the $@&!. I finally removed all of them on both planes and installed nut plates on the lower half of the cowling and used stainless steel machine screws with rubber backed metal washer on the outside of the top half of the cowling. It was much faster and less frustrating and they never vibrated loose. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Langley <mailto:pequeajim(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:46 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Camloc frustration Do any of you have Camloc frustration? What do you do on the Lightning to keep from losing Camlocs when removing the cowl? I understand that Spruce sells retaining rings/washers? Does this work with the Lightning cowl? Jim! title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: We're airworthy!
Date: Jul 13, 2008
Thanks Rick: I plan on using it to visit several friends. You guys too... -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rickss Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 6:06 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: We're airworthy! Congratulations Jim! Thanks for keeping all of us posted during your build. If you need to fly off some of those hours, bring her down to Culpeper, VA (CJR) sometime. -Rick -------- Cherokee driver, but feeling the need for speed! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192521#192521 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 14, 2008
From: Ian Miller <pillar(at)paradise.net.nz>
Subject: We're airworthy!
Ron, It sounds like the weather didn't play ball last weekend either. Best wishes for day when it does arrive. Also Ron, I have just learned that I will have to tour up your way next weekend and would be passing through Hamilton around 5pm on Sunday. Is there any chance you would be in your hangar and I could poke my nose in for a quick hello and a squiz at the winged beauty? Ian -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ritchie(at)wave.co.nz Sent: Monday, 14 July 2008 7:50 a.m. Subject: Re: Lightning-List: We're airworthy! Congratulations Jim. Have enjoyed your build. Am looking forward to getting TDT into the air shortly as well. Ron wrote: > I'm happy to announce that Jim's Lightning received it's airworthiness > certificate today, 7-12-2008 at 2:15pm at the Green Landings build center. > > > > Well, I don't really know what time the certificate was issued, but it did > go down today, and it was at Green Landings. > > > > We did some preliminary taxi testing, and will pick up on phase one > testing > next weekend. > > > > Look for updated videos at www.jimslightning.com > > > > Jim! Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 4:31 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Brian Whittingham <dashvii(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: We're airworthy!
Date: Jul 13, 2008
Jim=2C Anything? Can I have your plane then? :-P Good luck on the first 40 a nd thereafter. It's a really fun and enjoyable plane to fly. Brian W. From: pequeajim(at)gmail.comTo: lightning-list(at)matronics.comSubject: RE: Light ning-List: We're airworthy!Date: Sun=2C 13 Jul 2008 20:35:47 -0400 Good luck to you Paul. Anything I can to=2C or anything you want to use fr om my airplane is yours to do with as you like From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of n5pb(at)aol.comSent: Sunday=2C July 13=2C 2008 2:00 PMTo: lightning-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Lightning-List: W e're airworthy! Jim=2CCongratulations on your Airworthiness Certificate! I've been follow ing the build and chat as you've been working through your build. It's a b eautiful aircraft. I begin my build in September at shelbyville. Now if I can only design something as stunning as yours! Any ideas you tossed away ??? Hope to see you at Sun-n-fun....Paul-----Original Message-----From: Ji m Langley To: lightning-list(at)matronics.comSent: Sun=2C 13 Jul 2008 12:09 amSubject: Lightning-List: We're airworthy! I=92m happy to announce that Jim=92s Lightning received it=92s airworthines s certificate today=2C 7-12-2008 at 2:15pm at the Green Landings build cent er=85 Well=2C I don=92t really know what time the certificate was issued=2C but i t did go down today=2C and it was at Green Landings. We did some preliminary taxi testing=2C and will pick up on phase one testi ng next weekend. Look for updated videos at www.jimslightning.com Jim! [Image Removed] [Image Removed] The Famous=2C the Infamous=2C the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolb ar Now! http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-Listhttp://forums.ma tronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution _________________________________________________________________ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 14, 2008
From: <ritchie(at)wave.co.nz>
Subject: We're airworthy!
No problem Ian. I live next to the airport so give me a call when you're getting close and I will make arrangements to meet you at the hanger. Mob 021513839 Home o7 856-8466 wrote: > > Ron, > It sounds like the weather didn't play ball last weekend either. > Best wishes for day when it does arrive. > Also Ron, I have just learned that I will have to tour up your way next > weekend and would be passing through Hamilton around 5pm on Sunday. Is > there > any chance you would be in your hangar and I could poke my nose in for a > quick hello and a squiz at the winged beauty? > > Ian > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > ritchie(at)wave.co.nz > Sent: Monday, 14 July 2008 7:50 a.m. > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: We're airworthy! > > > Congratulations Jim. Have enjoyed your build. Am looking forward to > getting > TDT into the air shortly as well. > Ron > > wrote: >> I'm happy to announce that Jim's Lightning received it's airworthiness >> certificate today, 7-12-2008 at 2:15pm at the Green Landings build > center. >> >> >> >> Well, I don't really know what time the certificate was issued, but it > did >> go down today, and it was at Green Landings. >> >> >> >> We did some preliminary taxi testing, and will pick up on phase one >> testing >> next weekend. >> >> >> >> Look for updated videos at www.jimslightning.com >> >> >> >> Jim! > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > 4:31 PM > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 13, 2008
Subject: Re: Camloc frustration
Jim and all, Here is how I keep my CamLocs stored when I remove the cowling. We have also made one of these blocks for the prototype and both demos. Buz **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Camloc frustration
Date: Jul 13, 2008
Great idea Buz, thanks From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich(at)aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Camloc frustration Jim and all, Here is how I keep my CamLocs stored when I remove the cowling. We have also made one of these blocks for the prototype and both demos. Buz _____ Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out <http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112> TourTracker.com! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 14, 2008
From: pillar(at)paradise.net.nz
Subject: We're airworthy!
Ron If you find out you can't be around on Sunday, or need to get hold of me for any reason my number is 0210623024, or (04) 9702907 - Home. Cheers Ian ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Davis" <johnsdtn40(at)charter.net>
Subject: Lightning For Sale
Date: Jul 14, 2008
Thanks Jim. I also think so. John Davis _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning For Sale And may I add that it's a pretty one too! From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Davis Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 12:36 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning For Sale To all of you that would like to have a "real" Quick build go to Barnstormers dot com and search on Lightning. Health forces me to sell my baby. :-( Thanks for looking. John Davis _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Camloc frustration Do any of you have Camloc frustration? What do you do on the Lightning to keep from losing Camlocs when removing the cowl? I understand that Spruce sells retaining rings/washers? Does this work with the Lightning cowl? Jim! http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark Stauffer" <mark(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Camloc frustration
Date: Jul 14, 2008
Jim, We drill all of our Camlocs holes in the cowl out to 5/16" and physically remove the camlocs from the cowl. Thanks to Buz we place the Camlocs in the block. I've found, as you and many others have, that Camlocs fall out at the most inopportune times (i.e. in the grass, gravel, etc.) Also, it makes removing the upper cowl much easier, especially up by the last Camlocs next to the spinner. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:47 AM To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Lightning-List: Camloc frustration Do any of you have Camloc frustration? What do you do on the Lightning to keep from losing Camlocs when removing the cowl? I understand that Spruce sells retaining rings/washers? Does this work with the Lightning cowl? Jim! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Camloc frustration
Date: Jul 14, 2008
Tanks Mark. In the long run, this may be the best solution as when taking the top cowl off, I never get all of the Camloc studs out all the way and then the cowl sticks. It might be better to just take them out each time. I guess we'll see which way I like things best over time. I'm looking forward to seeing you guys again on Friday. Jim! From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Stauffer Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 8:19 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Camloc frustration Jim, We drill all of our Camlocs holes in the cowl out to 5/16" and physically remove the camlocs from the cowl. Thanks to Buz we place the Camlocs in the block. I've found, as you and many others have, that Camlocs fall out at the most inopportune times (i.e. in the grass, gravel, etc.) Also, it makes removing the upper cowl much easier, especially up by the last Camlocs next to the spinner. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Camloc frustration Do any of you have Camloc frustration? What do you do on the Lightning to keep from losing Camlocs when removing the cowl? I understand that Spruce sells retaining rings/washers? Does this work with the Lightning cowl? Jim! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 15, 2008
Subject: Oshkosh bound
Lightning Listers, Just to let everyone know, I am planning to depart for Oshkosh tomorrow morning. My volunteer duties in the vintage area (show plane registration and camping) require me to be there early. I will have my laptop with me, but may not find the time to get on line everyday. I stay pretty busy before the show starts, but can pretty much control my schedule after opening day, so I hope to meet many of you while there. The Lightning guys will be in the same basic location as in recent past years, so that is always a good area to "meet and greet". Hopefully a specific day and time will be designated for all of us to get together at their booth to meet and share info. Any suggestions as to day and time? Also, remember there are several forums that you should plan to attend to show your support for the Lightning aircraft and Jabiru engine: -On 31 July at 1130 the Jabiru engine forum will be presented by Pete in pavilion #11. -On 1 August at 1130 the Lightning aircraft forum will be presented by Nick in pavilion #11. Remember, there is always the possibility that the time and places may change, so check for forum schedule updates when you get to OSH. Put these forums on your "must attend" list and lets fill the pavilions and support Pete and Nick. Hope to see lots of you guys at OSH and see lots of flying Lightnings parked in the homebuilt parking area. Blue Skies, Buz **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Oshkosh bound
Date: Jul 15, 2008
Safe and enjoyable trip to you Buz. I cannot attend this year, (taking my wife to Alaska for our 30th.) Have a great time. Jim! N730AL www.jimslightning.com From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:45 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Oshkosh bound Lightning Listers, Just to let everyone know, I am planning to depart for Oshkosh tomorrow morning. My volunteer duties in the vintage area (show plane registration and camping) require me to be there early. I will have my laptop with me, but may not find the time to get on line everyday. I stay pretty busy before the show starts, but can pretty much control my schedule after opening day, so I hope to meet many of you while there. The Lightning guys will be in the same basic location as in recent past years, so that is always a good area to "meet and greet". Hopefully a specific day and time will be designated for all of us to get together at their booth to meet and share info. Any suggestions as to day and time? Also, remember there are several forums that you should plan to attend to show your support for the Lightning aircraft and Jabiru engine: -On 31 July at 1130 the Jabiru engine forum will be presented by Pete in pavilion #11. -On 1 August at 1130 the Lightning aircraft forum will be presented by Nick in pavilion #11. Remember, there is always the possibility that the time and places may change, so check for forum schedule updates when you get to OSH. Put these forums on your "must attend" list and lets fill the pavilions and support Pete and Nick. Hope to see lots of you guys at OSH and see lots of flying Lightnings parked in the homebuilt parking area. Blue Skies, Buz _____ Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out <http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112> TourTracker.com! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: att. Nick
Date: Jul 18, 2008
Nick, the horn arrived just as I was carring the evevator out to the plane. Great timing.Thanks again for the fast service, see you all at osk. Tex ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: att. Nick ESQUAL UPDATE
Date: Jul 19, 2008
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
Spoke too soon when I said great service with my trim kit. Two weeks now and no sign of any parts, not even debited my card. In the mean time my exemption days are burning away. I have only two weeks left now. I've been working on the oil cooling issue and after fitting and exit baffle the temperature is under control until I exceed 2800. Going to duct some air to the cooler now to increase the delta in temperatures. The air the cooler is seeing has already been well warmed by the engine. Head temperatures are fine with the addition of the cowling exit baffle as fitted and recommended by Dave McCorquodale, nice one Dave! I've fitted a pair of capacitors and a ferrite bead to the old Falcon turn and bank power supply and that's sorted the radio problem. Still having issues with my local ATC and my mode S transponder. They did a check with an approaching airliner and he was getting steady readings on his TCAS so maybe the problem isn't mine. I am getting ticking from the TXP on the radio, not load, I ran the antenna cables together which is apparently the cause so a re route needed to stop the pick up. General performance of the Esqual is good but it's suffering from lack of fairings and spats, the real joy is to swing it about the air, compared to my Jabiru it's a different world! Going to take the plane to the LAA next week in it's current form (fixed trim tabs) to prove the stability is OK and hopefully move forward with the potential UK permit. Fingers crossed! Regards, Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell Sent: 18 July 2008 20:19 Subject: Lightning-List: att. Nick Nick, the horn arrived just as I was carring the evevator out to the plane. Great timing.Thanks again for the fast service, see you all at osk. Tex ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Transition to my Lightning?
Date: Jul 19, 2008
Just thought I would share some thoughts with you guys and gals about where I am in my build-fly cycle with N730AL. First of all, I am probably one of the least experienced, (licensed) pilots flying the Lightning, (perhaps fewest number of hours). Considering this, I wanted to go about transitioning into my aircraft in a logical common-sense way to assure the safety of my aircraft, plus my rear-end! I thought about my build experience and could see a few potential problems. (Problem 1) I am the type of builder that works a 45+ hour week in a highly stressful job, involved with my family, is active in my EAA chapter, likes to go camping, flying, ride my motorcycle, fishing, etc et.. If you ever heard someone say, "I have too many things on my plate", this was a description of me during my build time. What time was left for anything else? (Problem 2) I spent a lot of time and money getting my private pilot's license, then started building; Because of this, the money that I would normally budget for aircraft rental kind of went by the way side, and guess what suffered? (Problem 3) As I got closer to completing my build, my excitement grew, (naturally), and I wanted to get into the air fast; (who wouldn't?) You know how a chain of seemingly small events can translate into a nasty situation? If you look at any one of the problems individually, it doesn't seem like something that would be insurmountable, but when you look at all three, you can see potential for a bad ending to an otherwise great experience. (Problem 1) The bottom line is that for me, building and trying to keep some semblance of a normal family life while building an airplane in West Virginia was a very difficult thing to do. Without the understanding of my dear wife, I would not have made it through this time and still have a marriage. I said this first because it is what is the most important thing in my life; (yes, even over my Lightning!). So, during the build, I had to figure out how to balance my family time with my building time and my flying time. Guess what suffered the most? (Problem 2) Unless you are fairly wealthy, renting aircraft time to practice flying and building a composite aircraft creates some obstacles. Again, something suffers and IT'S NOT GOING TO BE MY LIGHTNING! (I guess you get the point.) The other thing is that if you are going to hangar your airplane, and insure it for hull damage, (who wouldn't?), this will add to the list of things to save for so you can get your bird up and flying. Because of a VERY long waiting list, I have had to carry an empty hangar for 6 months, just to get one! All of this adds to the cost of future ownership, so guess what suffered the most? (Problem 3) For me, I wanted to take my time building, but as I got closer to completion, I started to get very excited about the day when my Lightning would be declared "airworthy", and I would actually get to fly my baby. I don't know about you, but I know if I allow my excitement develop into impatience; I can end of making poorly thought out decisions. I have been burned in the past with purchases, but this is different than buying a laptop, or a new TV. My life depends on me taking my time and thinking clearly! So, here is my approach to transitioning into my Lightning. The biggest issue that I see is the lack of continuous flying during my build time. This will make you rusty; not a good thing. The other thing for me was even being able to get some rental time in a similar type of aircraft, low wing, stick and rudder, nimble. I had a few less than desirable options at the local airports, so I tried to get air time when I could afford it. This in my opinion was not enough for me to be comfortable in my Lightning, however, Arion offers 3 hours transition time to buyers of the Lightning kit. After N730AL passed its inspection, I bought an airline ticket and hopped down to SYI for some seat time with Nick. You know, you really have got to like someone to fly all day in a clear cockpit low wing in 93 degree heat! The first time I took off in the Lightning, I could plainly see how different it was than what I had been sparingly flying. The response of the airplane is much lighter on the sticks and more responsive. This is amplified on any airplane during takeoff and landing which I had not done during my previous demo flights. Even though I spent some minimal time in a stick and rudder Sportstar, the feel was totally different with the big Hershey bar wing, and very little rudder input needed. The important thing was that Nick was in the cockpit and able to help us avoid any nasty situations, while guiding me through procedures in the Lightning; Starting the engine, flight systems, taxi, take off, climbs, turns and banks, slow flight, stall recovery, pattern work, approaches, go around, and landings. My comfort level with the Lightning increased dramatically over the course of the day. I felt like I came away with something that will make me a safer Lightning pilot. Step two will be to continue to practice at a field with a nice long runway. Lancaster has two big paved runways (7000' x 150') and (4100' x 100'). This will give me a fair amount of room in case I should make a mistake, and keep me close to home for a while. Step three will be, as I feel more comfortable with the airplane to visit other airports with different runway configurations, (and restaurants). Jim! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 19, 2008
Subject: Re: Transition to my Lightning?
Jim, Good email. You may be a low time / experience pilot, but your thinking and transition plan are "right on target". Your time with Nick should prepare you for your first flight in your "jet". I would much rather see someone with your perspective on transitioning to a new aircraft than someone who thinks they can "handle anything" just because they have logged some "large" amount of time. I have seem 20,000 hour airline pilots (19,500 hours of auto pilot) who I would not let fly my Cub. I have also seen 20 hour student pilots that could fly the Cub like they were born in it. The point being that flying time or experience alone does not necessarily make a good or safe pilot, but having the correct attitude about being ready to "learn" new things are the key. So, keep up the good work. Blue Skies, Buz PS: It is a beautiful afternoon in Oshkosh. Things were kind of slow, so turned on the computer to do some e-mails. I am sitting here under a tree, looking at a few airplanes in the pattern. I will buy a beer for the first Lightning to land here. Heck, I will buy a beer for every Lightning that flies into OSH for the show this year. Life is good. **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Transition to my Lightning?
Date: Jul 19, 2008
Thanks Buz: I seem to remember this question on my FAA exam, (although the answers may have been different) What is the antidote when a pilot has the hazardous attitude of `Invulnerability`? A) Have someone shoot you in the head so you can't harm anyone else. B) Take a step back and look at how stupid you are being. C) Attend the next "Idiots Anonymous" meeting and say; "Hello, my name is (.) I'm am an idiot" I like "B". PSS: I'm pretty jealous right now with you sitting under a tree at OSH, you lucky dog you. From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich(at)aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Transition to my Lightning? Jim, Good email. You may be a low time / experience pilot, but your thinking and transition plan are "right on target". Your time with Nick should prepare you for your first flight in your "jet". I would much rather see someone with your perspective on transitioning to a new aircraft than someone who thinks they can "handle anything" just because they have logged some "large" amount of time. I have seem 20,000 hour airline pilots (19,500 hours of auto pilot) who I would not let fly my Cub. I have also seen 20 hour student pilots that could fly the Cub like they were born in it. The point being that flying time or experience alone does not necessarily make a good or safe pilot, but having the correct attitude about being ready to "learn" new things are the key. So, keep up the good work. Blue Skies, Buz PS: It is a beautiful afternoon in Oshkosh. Things were kind of slow, so turned on the computer to do some e-mails. I am sitting here under a tree, looking at a few airplanes in the pattern. I will buy a beer for the first Lightning to land here. Heck, I will buy a beer for every Lightning that flies into OSH for the show this year. Life is good. _____ Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up <http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020> for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Transition to my Lightning?
Date: Jul 19, 2008
From: n5pb(at)aol.com
Jim, Nice transition approach.? I've been flying a Zodiac which will have similiar avionics; low wing and bubble canopy, but it's a lot slower than the Lightning.? I will be building mine at SYI and will definitely run Nick through the paces during my check out.... Buz, I won't be able to be at OSH this year, but I'll take you up on your beer offer after my first flight in MY Lightning... Bear -----Original Message----- From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com Sent: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 2:58 pm Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Transition to my Lightning? Jim, ????Good email.? You may be a low time / experience pilot, but your thinking and transition plan are "right on target".? Your time with Nick should prepare you for your first flight in your "jet".? I would much rather see someone with your perspective on transitioning to a new aircraft than someone who thinks they can "handle anything" just because they have logged some "large" amount of time.? I have seem 20,000 hour airline pilots (19,500 hours of auto pilot) who I would not let fly my Cub.? I have also seen 20 hour student pilots that could fly the Cub like they were born in it.? The point being that flying time or experience alone does not necessarily make a good or safe pilot, but having the correct attitude about being ready to "learn" new?things are the key.? So, keep up the good work.? Blue Skies, Buz ? PS:? It is a beautiful afternoon in Oshkosh.? Things were kind of slow, so turned on the computer to do some e-mails.? I am sitting here under a tree, looking at a few airplanes in the pattern.? I?will buy a beer for the first Lightning to land here.? Heck, I will buy a beer for every Lightning that flies into OSH for the show this year.? Life is good.? Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Transition to my Lightning?
Date: Jul 19, 2008
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
Some good sense here Jim, thanks for sharing it with us. I sat looking at my plane (once it was at the airfield) many times thinking I should just give it a quick blast. I've been flying the Jabiru regularly and have 1600 hrs over 15 years. Even the test pilot felt I could shake myself down without him sat next to me. He felt I'd be fine if I just felt it out myself. I had 3 dodgy landings with him and the coaching from the right seat stopped me from making a poor situation worse, the next 4 sorted it and I was solo. I waited till I had the right weather and the right frame of mind and I had an enjoyable accompanied hour and a half and I was away. With flying we all have the 'right pace' which helps us learn quickly, go too fast and we learn nothing, even go backwards. Thankfully I stopped myself from trying to learn too fast with the flying side of my project, and believe me after 4 years I'd make your keenness look like indifference! Enjoy all the stages. Slow as they may seem, the end result will be so much sweeter. The weather in the UK remains the worst 'summer' I've ever had the misfortune to witness. 3 weeks off and the forecast is as it's been for months. Again this weekend it's too blustery to go anywhere. Still I can work on the Esqual.... I should have got that ticket and had a beer with Buz. CJ -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: 19 July 2008 17:49 Subject: Lightning-List: Transition to my Lightning? Just thought I would share some thoughts with you guys and gals about where I am in my build-fly cycle with N730AL. First of all, I am probably one of the least experienced, (licensed) pilots flying the Lightning, (perhaps fewest number of hours). Considering this, I wanted to go about transitioning into my aircraft in a logical common-sense way to assure the safety of my aircraft, plus my rear-end! I thought about my build experience and could see a few potential problems. (Problem 1) I am the type of builder that works a 45+ hour week in a highly stressful job, involved with my family, is active in my EAA chapter, likes to go camping, flying, ride my motorcycle, fishing, etc et.... If you ever heard someone say, "I have too many things on my plate", this was a description of me during my build time. What time was left for anything else? (Problem 2) I spent a lot of time and money getting my private pilot's license, then started building; Because of this, the money that I would normally budget for aircraft rental kind of went by the way side, and guess what suffered? (Problem 3) As I got closer to completing my build, my excitement grew, (naturally), and I wanted to get into the air fast; (who wouldn't?) You know how a chain of seemingly small events can translate into a nasty situation? If you look at any one of the problems individually, it doesn't seem like something that would be insurmountable, but when you look at all three, you can see potential for a bad ending to an otherwise great experience. (Problem 1) The bottom line is that for me, building and trying to keep some semblance of a normal family life while building an airplane in West Virginia was a very difficult thing to do. Without the understanding of my dear wife, I would not have made it through this time and still have a marriage. I said this first because it is what is the most important thing in my life; (yes, even over my Lightning!). So, during the build, I had to figure out how to balance my family time with my building time and my flying time. Guess what suffered the most? (Problem 2) Unless you are fairly wealthy, renting aircraft time to practice flying and building a composite aircraft creates some obstacles. Again, something suffers and IT'S NOT GOING TO BE MY LIGHTNING! (I guess you get the point...) The other thing is that if you are going to hangar your airplane, and insure it for hull damage, (who wouldn't?), this will add to the list of things to save for so you can get your bird up and flying. Because of a VERY long waiting list, I have had to carry an empty hangar for 6 months, just to get one! All of this adds to the cost of future ownership, so guess what suffered the most? (Problem 3) For me, I wanted to take my time building, but as I got closer to completion, I started to get very excited about the day when my Lightning would be declared "airworthy", and I would actually get to fly my baby. I don't know about you, but I know if I allow my excitement develop into impatience; I can end of making poorly thought out decisions. I have been burned in the past with purchases, but this is different than buying a laptop, or a new TV. My life depends on me taking my time and thinking clearly! So, here is my approach to transitioning into my Lightning. The biggest issue that I see is the lack of continuous flying during my build time. This will make you rusty; not a good thing... The other thing for me was even being able to get some rental time in a similar type of aircraft, low wing, stick and rudder, nimble. I had a few less than desirable options at the local airports, so I tried to get air time when I could afford it. This in my opinion was not enough for me to be comfortable in my Lightning, however, Arion offers 3 hours transition time to buyers of the Lightning kit. After N730AL passed its inspection, I bought an airline ticket and hopped down to SYI for some seat time with Nick. You know, you really have got to like someone to fly all day in a clear cockpit low wing in 93 degree heat! The first time I took off in the Lightning, I could plainly see how different it was than what I had been sparingly flying. The response of the airplane is much lighter on the sticks and more responsive. This is amplified on any airplane during takeoff and landing which I had not done during my previous demo flights. Even though I spent some minimal time in a stick and rudder Sportstar, the feel was totally different with the big Hershey bar wing, and very little rudder input needed. The important thing was that Nick was in the cockpit and able to help us avoid any nasty situations, while guiding me through procedures in the Lightning; Starting the engine, flight systems, taxi, take off, climbs, turns and banks, slow flight, stall recovery, pattern work, approaches, go around, and landings. My comfort level with the Lightning increased dramatically over the course of the day. I felt like I came away with something that will make me a safer Lightning pilot. Step two will be to continue to practice at a field with a nice long runway. Lancaster has two big paved runways (7000' x 150') and (4100' x 100'). This will give me a fair amount of room in case I should make a mistake, and keep me close to home for a while. Step three will be, as I feel more comfortable with the airplane to visit other airports with different runway configurations, (and restaurants). Jim! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Transition to my Lightning?
Date: Jul 19, 2008
(grin...) -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James, Clive R Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Transition to my Lightning? I should have got that ticket and had a beer with Buz. CJ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: Transition to my Lightning?
Date: Jul 19, 2008
Hello Jim How very well put! Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Langley<mailto:pequeajim(at)gmail.com> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Transition to my Lightning? Just thought I would share some thoughts with you guys and gals about where I am in my build-fly cycle with N730AL. First of all, I am probably one of the least experienced, (licensed) pilots flying the Lightning, (perhaps fewest number of hours). Considering this, I wanted to go about transitioning into my aircraft in a logical common-sense way to assure the safety of my aircraft, plus my rear-end! I thought about my build experience and could see a few potential problems. (Problem 1) I am the type of builder that works a 45+ hour week in a highly stressful job, involved with my family, is active in my EAA chapter, likes to go camping, flying, ride my motorcycle, fishing, etc et.. If you ever heard someone say, "I have too many things on my plate", this was a description of me during my build time. What time was left for anything else? (Problem 2) I spent a lot of time and money getting my private pilot's license, then started building; Because of this, the money that I would normally budget for aircraft rental kind of went by the way side, and guess what suffered? (Problem 3) As I got closer to completing my build, my excitement grew, (naturally), and I wanted to get into the air fast; (who wouldn't?) You know how a chain of seemingly small events can translate into a nasty situation? If you look at any one of the problems individually, it doesn't seem like something that would be insurmountable, but when you look at all three, you can see potential for a bad ending to an otherwise great experience. (Problem 1) The bottom line is that for me, building and trying to keep some semblance of a normal family life while building an airplane in West Virginia was a very difficult thing to do. Without the understanding of my dear wife, I would not have made it through this time and still have a marriage. I said this first because it is what is the most important thing in my life; (yes, even over my Lightning!). So, during the build, I had to figure out how to balance my family time with my building time and my flying time. Guess what suffered the most? (Problem 2) Unless you are fairly wealthy, renting aircraft time to practice flying and building a composite aircraft creates some obstacles. Again, something suffers and IT'S NOT GOING TO BE MY LIGHTNING! (I guess you get the point.) The other thing is that if you are going to hangar your airplane, and insure it for hull damage, (who wouldn't?), this will add to the list of things to save for so you can get your bird up and flying. Because of a VERY long waiting list, I have had to carry an empty hangar for 6 months, just to get one! All of this adds to the cost of future ownership, so guess what suffered the most? (Problem 3) For me, I wanted to take my time building, but as I got closer to completion, I started to get very excited about the day when my Lightning would be declared "airworthy", and I would actually get to fly my baby. I don't know about you, but I know if I allow my excitement develop into impatience; I can end of making poorly thought out decisions. I have been burned in the past with purchases, but this is different than buying a laptop, or a new TV. My life depends on me taking my time and thinking clearly! So, here is my approach to transitioning into my Lightning. The biggest issue that I see is the lack of continuous flying during my build time. This will make you rusty; not a good thing. The other thing for me was even being able to get some rental time in a similar type of aircraft, low wing, stick and rudder, nimble. I had a few less than desirable options at the local airports, so I tried to get air time when I could afford it. This in my opinion was not enough for me to be comfortable in my Lightning, however, Arion offers 3 hours transition time to buyers of the Lightning kit. After N730AL passed its inspection, I bought an airline ticket and hopped down to SYI for some seat time with Nick. You know, you really have got to like someone to fly all day in a clear cockpit low wing in 93 degree heat! The first time I took off in the Lightning, I could plainly see how different it was than what I had been sparingly flying. The response of the airplane is much lighter on the sticks and more responsive. This is amplified on any airplane during takeoff and landing which I had not done during my previous demo flights. Even though I spent some minimal time in a stick and rudder Sportstar, the feel was totally different with the big Hershey bar wing, and very little rudder input needed. The important thing was that Nick was in the cockpit and able to help us avoid any nasty situations, while guiding me through procedures in the Lightning; Starting the engine, flight systems, taxi, take off, climbs, turns and banks, slow flight, stall recovery, pattern work, approaches, go around, and landings. My comfort level with the Lightning increased dramatically over the course of the day. I felt like I came away with something that will make me a safer Lightning pilot. Step two will be to continue to practice at a field with a nice long runway. Lancaster has two big paved runways (7000' x 150') and (4100' x 100'). This will give me a fair amount of room in case I should make a mistake, and keep me close to home for a while. Step three will be, as I feel more comfortable with the airplane to visit other airports with different runway configurations, (and restaurants). Jim! http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List m/Navigator?Lightning-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: IFLYSMODEL(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2008
Subject: N13LN has airworthiness certificate
Hey Guys/Gals: I was granted an airworthiness certificate for N13LN at about 1800 central time on 17 July. I thought I was going to get to fly this weekend, but you know that old saying about the best laid plans.... Suffice it to say that things did not work out but if Nick and Mark can get lucky maybe it will get airborne before next weekend. As usual, I did not get the right pictures taken. I do not understand, but my brain does not seem to think about pictures. We have all this wonderful digital stuff, but my thinking still seems to stay back in the old ways. I guess I am showing my age! I know I certainly get tired a lot quicker than I used to. (Even when working on airplanes) I had to return home, and get things ready for the trip to the Ercoupe convention. I know, my priorities are mixed up, But eventually I will get airborne in N13LN. Lynn **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: N13LN has airworthiness certificate
Date: Jul 20, 2008
Lynn: Good seeing you this weekend. You have a really nice looking airplane, and the wing tips add the performance numbers that I know you are looking for. Don't worry, I got some pictures that I can share. I think the last one is of you holding your belly after a nice Arby's lunch. Jim! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2008
From: <ritchie(at)wave.co.nz>
Subject: Re: N13LN has airworthiness certificate
Looks Great Lynn. I am still waiting for the weekend Weather God to provide us with some suitable flying conditions to get ZK-TDT first flight in. So far it has been hurry up and wait! Good luck and happy flying. Ron > Hey Guys/Gals: I was granted an airworthiness certificate for N13LN at > about > 1800 central time on 17 July. I thought I was going to get to fly this > weekend, but you know that old saying about the best laid plans.... > Suffice it to say that things did not work out but if Nick and Mark can > get > lucky maybe it will get airborne before next weekend. As usual, I did not > get > the right pictures taken. I do not understand, but my brain does not seem > to > think about pictures. We have all this wonderful digital stuff, but my > thinking still seems to stay back in the old ways. > I guess I am showing my age! I know I certainly get tired a lot > quicker > than I used to. (Even when working on airplanes) > > I had to return home, and get things ready for the trip to the Ercoupe > convention. I know, my priorities are mixed up, But eventually I will get > airborne > in N13LN. > Lynn > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: EAFerguson(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 21, 2008
Subject: Buz is buying
In a message dated 7/19/2008 3:02:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes: > PS: It is a beautiful afternoon in Oshkosh. Things were kind of slow, so > turned on the computer to do some e-mails. I am sitting here under a tree, > looking at a few airplanes in the pattern. I will buy a beer for the first > Lightning to land here. Heck, I will buy a beer for every Lightning that flies > into OSH for the show this year. Life is good. > If I had only known, maybe I could have changed my schedule and made it to OSH. Earl N17EF ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: att. Nick ESQUAL UPDATE
Date: Jul 21, 2008
Clive, Miss comunication internally it will go out the next day or 2. Nick -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James, Clive R Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 7:39 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: att. Nick ESQUAL UPDATE --> Spoke too soon when I said great service with my trim kit. Two weeks now and no sign of any parts, not even debited my card. In the mean time my exemption days are burning away. I have only two weeks left now. I've been working on the oil cooling issue and after fitting and exit baffle the temperature is under control until I exceed 2800. Going to duct some air to the cooler now to increase the delta in temperatures. The air the cooler is seeing has already been well warmed by the engine. Head temperatures are fine with the addition of the cowling exit baffle as fitted and recommended by Dave McCorquodale, nice one Dave! I've fitted a pair of capacitors and a ferrite bead to the old Falcon turn and bank power supply and that's sorted the radio problem. Still having issues with my local ATC and my mode S transponder. They did a check with an approaching airliner and he was getting steady readings on his TCAS so maybe the problem isn't mine. I am getting ticking from the TXP on the radio, not load, I ran the antenna cables together which is apparently the cause so a re route needed to stop the pick up. General performance of the Esqual is good but it's suffering from lack of fairings and spats, the real joy is to swing it about the air, compared to my Jabiru it's a different world! Going to take the plane to the LAA next week in it's current form (fixed trim tabs) to prove the stability is OK and hopefully move forward with the potential UK permit. Fingers crossed! Regards, Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell Sent: 18 July 2008 20:19 Subject: Lightning-List: att. Nick Nick, the horn arrived just as I was carring the evevator out to the plane. Great timing.Thanks again for the fast service, see you all at osk. Tex ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 21, 2008
Subject: Re: Buz is buying
Hey Earl, It is not too late to make the trip. The show doesn't start for another 6 days. And that goes for all you other Lightning builders and flyers out there. You really need to be here. Buz **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Buz is buying
Date: Jul 21, 2008
Boy Buz, I wish I could come, but I am taking my wife to Alaska for our 30th. Couldn't pull the trip to OSH, SnF and Alaska in the same year. Have a great time. N730AL will be there next year. From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:42 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Buz is buying Hey Earl, It is not too late to make the trip. The show doesn't start for another 6 days. And that goes for all you other Lightning builders and flyers out there. You really need to be here. Buz _____ Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up <http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020> for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Earl Fri nite
Date: Jul 21, 2008
From: tlhuffy(at)aol.com
Earl?? We are having a hanger party? Fri. night this week.? The Arion Boys will be there also.?Its at 79C or Brennand?? about 10 minutes from Osh? We have?lots of food and drinks there.?? Live music too.? -----Original Message----- From: EAFerguson(at)aol.com Sent: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 8:26 am Subject: Lightning-List: Buz is buying In a message dated 7/19/2008 3:02:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes: PS:? It is a beautiful afternoon in Oshkosh.? Things were kind of slow, so turned on the computer to do some e-mails.? I am sitting here under a tree, looking at a few airplanes in the pattern.? I will buy a beer for the first Lightning to land here.? Heck, I will buy a beer for every Lightning that flies into OSH for the show this year.? Life is good.? If I had only known, maybe I could have changed my schedule and made it to OSH. Earl N17EF ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fri
Date: Jul 21, 2008
From: tlhuffy(at)aol.com
Buz?? hanger party at 79C Fri night? let me know when you be at Osh? I can get you ride to hanger if you give me your cell #? or I can get it from Nick if its ok with you.???? Tom H -----Original Message----- From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com Sent: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 7:41 pm Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Buz is buying Hey Earl, ????It is not too late to make the trip.? The show doesn't start for another 6 days.? And that goes for all you other Lightning builders and flyers out there.? You really need to be here. Buz Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: EAFerguson(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 22, 2008
Subject: Re: Buz is buying
In a message dated 7/21/2008 8:45:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes: Hey Earl, It is not too late to make the trip. The show doesn't start for another 6 days. And that goes for all you other Lightning builders and flyers out there. You really need to be here. Buz Buz, Unfortunately, I have a trip to Rockinham, NC for a factory inspection in the middle of show week. Things like this happen to those of us who still work for our livelyhoods. But it does get me some reimbursed flight time. I'm hoping to make the next S&F and definitely the Lightning Homecoming in Sept. Regards to all the Lightning folks who do make it up there. Earl **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark Stauffer" <mark.stauffer1(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Buz is buying
Date: Jul 22, 2008
I'll take you up on that Buz!! It's not all that often that the Air Force buys for the Army!!! See you very soon!! Mark From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 7:42 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Buz is buying Hey Earl, It is not too late to make the trip. The show doesn't start for another 6 days. And that goes for all you other Lightning builders and flyers out there. You really need to be here. Buz _____ Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up <http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020> for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 22, 2008
Subject: Re: Buz is buying
It will be my pleasure, Mark. Any idea whey you guys will land? I will likely be busy "greeting" vintage aircraft, but if you can give me an approx. time, I will try to "greet" you guys as well. Looking forward to seeing you all again. Also, the hangar party at Brennand. Buz **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 22, 2008
Subject: Re: Buz is buying
OK, Earl, I understand. Looking forward to seeing you again at the Second Annual Lightning Fly In at SYI in September. Buz **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 22, 2008
Subject: Re: Fri
Tom, Good talking to you today. I will make every effort to be there Friday night. About what time will the "festivities" begin? Buz **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Prop hub
From: "jeynon" <jeynon2(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jul 23, 2008
Can anyone tell me what is the proper torque to use for the bolts, and what type of thread compound should be used when installing the prop hub extension? I vaguely remember seeing this information somewhere, but can't seem to find it. Thanks. John Eynon Lightning kit #53 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194523#194523 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Prop hub
Date: Jul 23, 2008
From: "Mefford, Walt" <walt.mefford(at)garmin.com>
This might help some. http://www.sensenichprop.com/sen_html/comp-ac-cf-rev-1.pdf Walt M. N881WP #55 -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jeynon Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 6:59 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Prop hub Can anyone tell me what is the proper torque to use for the bolts, and what type of thread compound should be used when installing the prop hub extension? I vaguely remember seeing this information somewhere, but can't seem to find it. Thanks. John Eynon Lightning kit #53 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194523#194523 ------------------------- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop hub
From: ryan(at)greenlandings.com
Date: Jul 23, 2008
I believe nick will respond also but the torque should be 30 foot pounds. You should do this in steps to make sure the extension is seated evenly. The loctite that should be used is 206 but ,nick should verify this Ryan Gross Green Landings ------Original Message------ From: jeynon Sender: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Lightning-List: Prop hub Sent: Jul 23, 2008 9:59 AM Can anyone tell me what is the proper torque to use for the bolts, and what type of thread compound should be used when installing the prop hub extension? I vaguely remember seeing this information somewhere, but can't seem to find it. Thanks. John Eynon Lightning kit #53 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194523#194523 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2008
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Prop hub
John: Check out section 9.1 of the jabiru engine manual. It says in part A6 "A6 Mount Propeller Mount Flange to crankshaft Torque to 30ft.lbs/ Lockwire". Jim! On 7/23/08, Mefford, Walt wrote: > > > > This might help some. > http://www.sensenichprop.com/sen_html/comp-ac-cf-rev-1.pdf > > Walt M. > N881WP > #55 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jeynon > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 6:59 AM > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Lightning-List: Prop hub > > > Can anyone tell me what is the proper torque to use for the bolts, and > what type of thread compound should be used when installing the prop hub > extension? I vaguely remember seeing this information somewhere, but > can't seem to find it. > > Thanks. > > John Eynon > Lightning kit #53 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194523#194523 > > > ------------------------- > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the > sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, > please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this > e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in > error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. > Thank you for your cooperation > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pete" <pete(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Prop hub
Date: Jul 23, 2008
See attached instructions from Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC Pete Krotje -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jeynon Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 8:59 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Prop hub Can anyone tell me what is the proper torque to use for the bolts, and what type of thread compound should be used when installing the prop hub extension? I vaguely remember seeing this information somewhere, but can't seem to find it. Thanks. John Eynon Lightning kit #53 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194523#194523 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Prop hub
Date: Jul 23, 2008
Prop hub should be installed to 30 ft lbs and use locate 620 retaining compound it is green ...do not use other permatexs or similar brands loctite 620 is required. Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft, LLC -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ryan(at)greenlandings.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:18 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Prop hub I believe nick will respond also but the torque should be 30 foot pounds. You should do this in steps to make sure the extension is seated evenly. The loctite that should be used is 206 but ,nick should verify this Ryan Gross Green Landings ------Original Message------ From: jeynon Sender: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Lightning-List: Prop hub Sent: Jul 23, 2008 9:59 AM Can anyone tell me what is the proper torque to use for the bolts, and what type of thread compound should be used when installing the prop hub extension? I vaguely remember seeing this information somewhere, but can't seem to find it. Thanks. John Eynon Lightning kit #53 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194523#194523 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2008
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Prop hub
Thanks Pete! On 7/23/08, flylightning wrote: > > info(at)flylightning.net> > > Prop hub should be installed to 30 ft lbs and use locate 620 retaining > compound it is green ...do not use other permatexs or similar brands > loctite > 620 is required. > > Nick Otterback > Arion Aircraft, LLC > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > ryan(at)greenlandings.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:18 AM > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Prop hub > > > I believe nick will respond also but the torque should be 30 foot pounds. > You should do this in steps to make sure the extension is seated evenly. > The > loctite that should be used is 206 but ,nick should verify this > > Ryan Gross > Green Landings > ------Original Message------ > From: jeynon > Sender: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > ReplyTo: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Lightning-List: Prop hub > Sent: Jul 23, 2008 9:59 AM > > > Can anyone tell me what is the proper torque to use for the bolts, and what > type of thread compound should be used when installing the prop hub > extension? I vaguely remember seeing this information somewhere, but can't > seem to find it. > > Thanks. > > John Eynon > Lightning kit #53 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194523#194523 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop hub
From: ryan(at)greenlandings.com
Date: Jul 23, 2008
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Subject: Re: Prop hub
From: "jeynon" <jeynon2(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jul 23, 2008
Thanks to all for the lightning quick responses. The attachment Pete sent is better than I was hoping for. John Eynon Lightning kit #53 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194542#194542 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2008
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Prop hub
Ryan: You're getting pretty good typing on that Blackberry! On 7/23/08, ryan(at)greenlandings.com wrote: > > Thanks ,nick and pete for straightening out my numbers > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop hub
From: ryan(at)greenlandings.com
Date: Jul 23, 2008
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From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: Prop hub
Date: Jul 23, 2008
Hello Nick I know you have been busy, but I was wondering if you have have flown the new wing tips enough to determine whether they are slower at fast cruise? Thanks for your time. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: flylightning<mailto:info(at)flylightning.net> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 7:39 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Prop hub > Prop hub should be installed to 30 ft lbs and use locate 620 retaining compound it is green ...do not use other permatexs or similar brands loctite 620 is required. Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft, LLC -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ryan(at)greenlandings.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:18 AM To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Prop hub ryan(at)greenlandings.com I believe nick will respond also but the torque should be 30 foot pounds. You should do this in steps to make sure the extension is seated evenly. The loctite that should be used is 206 but ,nick should verify this Ryan Gross Green Landings ------Original Message------ From: jeynon Sender: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Lightning-List: Prop hub Sent: Jul 23, 2008 9:59 AM > Can anyone tell me what is the proper torque to use for the bolts, and what type of thread compound should be used when installing the prop hub extension? I vaguely remember seeing this information somewhere, but can't seem to find it. Thanks. John Eynon Lightning kit #53 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194523#194523 matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194523#194523> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List m/Navigator?Lightning-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: Prop hub
Date: Jul 23, 2008
Hello Pete I just printed the attachment you sent on the propeller flange. Very good info. Would it be a good idea to replace the cap screws rather than reuse? Thanks Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Pete<mailto:pete(at)flylightning.net> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 7:38 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Prop hub See attached instructions from Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC Pete Krotje -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jeynon Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 8:59 AM To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Lightning-List: Prop hub > Can anyone tell me what is the proper torque to use for the bolts, and what type of thread compound should be used when installing the prop hub extension? I vaguely remember seeing this information somewhere, but can't seem to find it. Thanks. John Eynon Lightning kit #53 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194523#194523 matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194523#194523> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop hub
From: "selwyn" <selwyn(at)ellisworks.com.au>
Date: Jul 23, 2008
It is important to remember that Locktite 620 is serious stuff and if you apply it to all the cap screws at the start of the process you need to move quickly or else you end up torqueing the last few studs up against the locktite rather than tightening the fitting down. Not a good result! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194651#194651 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pete" <pete(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Re: Prop hub
Date: Jul 24, 2008
At 70 degrees F you have one hour before Loctite 620 begins to develop its strength. At 95 degrees F you have 15 minutes. See technical data at http://207.250.200.229:8080/1/doc?id=26273 Pete Krotje Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Prop hub It is important to remember that Locktite 620 is serious stuff and if you apply it to all the cap screws at the start of the process you need to move quickly or else you end up torqueing the last few studs up against the locktite rather than tightening the fitting down. Not a good result! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194651#194651 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kayberg(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 24, 2008
Subject: Re: Prop hub
In a message dated 7/23/2008 10:41:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pete(at)flylightning.net writes: See attached instructions from Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC Pete Krotje -----Original Message Pete, I dont mean to put too fine a point on it, but one part of the procedure varies from what I have been taught as a plumber! Putting thread dope of any kind is supposed to go on the male threads not the female. I think the idea is to insure a complete coverage on the threads, which you cannot do on the female part. So putting a few drops in the crankshaft bolt hole is a different technique from what the Baltimore Gas and Electric company requires of gas fitters!! I think I am looking for assurance that the "few drops" technique has some greater virtue. It just makes more sense to me to coat each bolt threads just before installing rather than the "few drops". Is there something I dont know? Doug Koenigsberg **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pete" <pete(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Prop hub
Date: Jul 24, 2008
Doug, I agree with you and we put the Loctite on the bolt. However, in Australia where everything is upside down and backwards (and the toilets swirl the wrong way) it is the accepted procedure. Probably if you went to work for Bundaberg Gas & Electric you would have to re learn your technique! Pete _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kayberg(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:46 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Prop hub In a message dated 7/23/2008 10:41:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pete(at)flylightning.net writes: See attached instructions from Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC Pete Krotje -----Original Message Pete, I dont mean to put too fine a point on it, but one part of the procedure varies from what I have been taught as a plumber! Putting thread dope of any kind is supposed to go on the male threads not the female. I think the idea is to insure a complete coverage on the threads, which you cannot do on the female part. So putting a few drops in the crankshaft bolt hole is a different technique from what the Baltimore Gas and Electric company requires of gas fitters!! I think I am looking for assurance that the "few drops" technique has some greater virtue. It just makes more sense to me to coat each bolt threads just before installing rather than the "few drops". Is there something I dont know? Doug Koenigsberg _____ Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up <http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020> for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Lightning on the cover!
Date: Jul 24, 2008
To Group The September issue of kitplanes is out and I think you will recognize the cover plane...full spread and story... See ya'll at EAA Nick ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Brian Whittingham <dashvii(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Lightning on the cover!
Date: Jul 24, 2008
Nick=2C Very exciting and good news. Hope you guys take home another tr ophy from Oskosh! Well deserved. Did youever have a chance to read over m y thesis? _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM _WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kayberg(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 24, 2008
Subject: Re: Prop hub
In a message dated 7/24/2008 11:04:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pete(at)flylightning.net writes: Doug, I agree with you and we put the Loctite on the bolt. However, in Australia where everything is upside down and backwards (and the toilets swirl the wrong way) it is the accepted procedure. Probably if you went to work for Bundaberg Gas & Electric you would have to re learn your technique! Pete I have heard that the toilets swirl the wrong way. However, as long as the brown trout swim downstream, all is well. I think we will also put Locktite on the bolt threads. Or recommend that our builders do. Doug **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop hub
From: "selwyn" <selwyn(at)ellisworks.com.au>
Date: Jul 24, 2008
pete(at)flylightning.net wrote: > At 70 degrees F you have one hour before Loctite 620 begins to develop its > strength. At 95 degrees F you have 15 minutes. > > See technical data at http://207.250.200.229:8080/1/doc?id 6273 > > Pete Krotje > Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC > > -- This link did not work for me. I found the TDS at http://tds.loctite.com/tds5/docs/620EN.pdf It says basically the same thing. However it also says that these times are drastically reduced by 7471 primer which I believe used to be mentioned in earlier versions of the Jabiru documentation. The current one (earlier in this thread) just mentions generic Loctite thread cleaner so be careful what you use. My limited experience of 620 on Jabiru prop flange and cylinder through bolts, with and without 7471, is that it does not give anything like an hour working time at 10 - 15 C. Personally I aim to get things torqued up in five to ten minutes of applying 620. You just need to do things smartly but carefully, without rushing as, above all, it needs to be done right. Also remember that I am no more expert than anyone else and probably less than many here. These are my observations but everyone needs to decide their own methods for themselves. My baby arrives Monday. Whoooo Hoooo Cheers, Selwyn Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194807#194807 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 51% Rule
From: "bandit362" <t_veeder(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 25, 2008
Hello Everyone, Been lurking here for the last several months, listening to the chat. Retired from the AF last year (flew F-4s, F-117s and F-16s) and was hired by a defense contractor here in Tucson. Took a demo ride in Greg Hobbs Lightning last Nov and have been looking at my finances to try to squeeze money from the budget (just sold a house in Hawaii and am looking to buy here in Tucson.) Anyway, enough about me. What do you think the 51% ruling is going to do for/against the Lightning? (I am hoping for!!) Regards, Tim Veeder -------- T Veeder Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194865#194865 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 25, 2008
Subject: Re: 51% Rule
Tim, From one retired AF fighter pilot to another - welcome aboard. The answer to your 51% rule question is still a bit "up in the air" but we shou ld have a better understanding of the new FAA proposal after Oshkosh (I am the re now). But reading their proposal, I think the Lightning should be OK. Bel ow is a summary of what the AOPA has to say about the new proposal. We will g et the EAA's take in several forums during the convention. Blue Skies, Buz Rich The FAA is scrutinizing =9Cfast build=9D homebuilt aircraft pro grams and with that may come policy changes that affect future kit designs. The FAA has released several _draft documents_ (http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/draft_docs/display_docs/index.cfm?Doc_Type=Pu bs) to clarify the regulation of the homebuilt aircraft segment. The biggest potential change is to the definition of the so-called 51-percent rule. The FAA=99s original int ention was that the individual would fabricate more than 50 percent and assemble more than 50 percent of the aircraft. The FAA became concerned when fast-build kits entered the market where an aircraft owner=99s contribution resulted in 51 percent of the assembl y only. The agency felt that this did not meet the intent of building =9Csolely f or their own education or recreation.=9D The FAA now defines 51 percent as the builder completing, at a minimum, 20 percent of the assembly and 20 percent of the fabrication with the remainin g 11 percent made up from either additional assembly or fabrication. The FAA now states that the commercial assistance or =9Cfor hire=9D building programs will not count toward 20 percent of the assembly by the individual. The policy changes would not affect those flying traditionally certified aircraft or already completed amateur-built aircraft. Existing kit designs essentially would be grandfathered, while new models, after the rules go in to effect, would get the extra scrutiny. **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 25, 2008
From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: 51% Rule
You know Buz, the part of this proposal that is rough on glass kit builders is the fabrication. Think about how most glass kits come, mostly prefabricated fuse, flying surfaces, spar box, etc. I wonder what that would add up to in total? There are however, quite a lot of things to do from the fabrication side. If you compare a Lightning kit to say, a quickbuilt RV, they then begin to look pretty close. So, if the RV quickbuilt qualifys under the proposal, then the Lightning should also? Jim! On 7/25/08, N1BZRich(at)aol.com wrote: > > Tim, > From one retired AF fighter pilot to another - welcome aboard. The > answer to your 51% rule question is still a bit "up in the air" but we > should have a better understanding of the new FAA proposal after Oshkosh (I > am there now). But reading their proposal, I think the Lightning should be > OK. Below is a summary of what the AOPA has to say about the new proposal. > We will get the EAA's take in several forums during the convention. > Blue Skies, > Buz Rich > > The FAA is scrutinizing "fast build" homebuilt aircraft programs and with > that may come policy changes that affect future kit designs. > > The FAA has released several draft documents<http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/draft_docs/display_docs/index.cfm?Doc_Type=Pubs>to clarify the regulation of the homebuilt aircraft segment. The biggest > potential change is to the definition of the so-called 51-percent rule. The > FAA's original intention was that the individual would fabricate more than > 50 percent and assemble more than 50 percent of the aircraft. > > The FAA became concerned when fast-build kits entered the market where an > aircraft owner's contribution resulted in 51 percent of the assembly only. > The agency felt that this did not meet the intent of building "solely for > their own education or recreation." > > The FAA now defines 51 percent as the builder completing, at a minimum, 20 > percent of the assembly and 20 percent of the fabrication with the remaining > 11 percent made up from either additional assembly or fabrication. The FAA > now states that the commercial assistance or "for hire" building programs > will not count toward 20 percent of the assembly by the individual. > > The policy changes would not affect those flying traditionally certified > aircraft or already completed amateur-built aircraft. Existing kit designs > essentially would be grandfathered, while new models, after the rules go > into effect, would get the extra scrutiny. > > > ------------------------------ > Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy > Football today<http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020> > . > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kayberg(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 25, 2008
Subject: Re: 51% Rule
In a message dated 7/25/2008 1:45:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pequeajim(at)gmail.com writes: You know Buz, the part of this proposal that is rough on glass kit builders is the fabrication. Think about how most glass kits come, mostly prefabricated fuse, flying surfaces, spar box, etc. I wonder what that would add up to in total? There are however, quite a lot of things to do from the fabrication side. If you compare a Lightning kit to say, a quickbuilt RV, they then begin to look pretty close. So, if the RV quickbuilt qualifys under the proposal, then the Lightning should also? Jim! I have only read parts of the NPRM but I think the age-old question is How much do you have to fabricate to be a fabricator? I would think that if you had to add a tad of glass somewhere it would count as a fabrication (!!?!) Likewise an assembly. If you had to assemble the last rivet in the flap, you would still be the assembler. Somewhere between an aluminum smelter and a rivet lies the answer. I will try to think about it more, but we should all give it some thought. Doug Koenigsberg **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 51% Rule
Date: Jul 25, 2008
From: n5pb(at)aol.com
Buz, This is good to know, especially since I begin my build in September at SYI! "Bear" -----Original Message----- From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com Sent: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:16 am Subject: Re: Lightning-List: 51% Rule Tim, =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-From one retired AF fighter pilot to another - welco

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