Lightning-Archive.digest.vol-ds
August 11, 2012 - October 16, 2012
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance |
| From: | "Dennis W. Wilt" <dwwilt(at)AOL.COM> |
The September 09 issue of the Lightning Newsletter has a great article abou
t jacking up the Lightning.
Have a wonderful day,
Dennis
N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
-----Original Message-----
From: N838BF <prophotoga(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 10, 2012 1:00 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
I have need to lift the airplane to perform some maintenance, i.e. gear leg
replacement. What is the best way to do this?
--------
Gene and Janeen Mohr
N838BF (formerly Bill Fisher's Lightning)
Martinez, GA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380598#380598
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| From: | "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance |
Only problem is, many of us can't open many of the newsletters. Sigh....
Bernardo
--- On Sat, 8/11/12, Dennis W. Wilt wrote:
From: Dennis W. Wilt <dwwilt(at)AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:14 AM
=0AThe September 09 issue of the Lightning Newsletter has a great article a
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=0ATo: lightning-list
=0ASent: Fri, Aug 10, 2012 1:00 pm
=0ASubject: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance |
| From: | "Dennis W. Wilt" <dwwilt(at)AOL.COM> |
September 09 Newsletter attached. You nee adobe reader to open the file.
Do an internet search for adobe and download the reader, it's free.
Have a wonderful day,
Dennis
N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
-----Original Message-----
From: Bernard Melendez, Jr. <n45bm(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, Aug 11, 2012 11:02 am
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
Only problem is, many of us can't open many of the newsletters. Sigh....
Bernardo
--- On Sat, 8/11/12, Dennis W. Wilt wrote:
From: Dennis W. Wilt <dwwilt(at)AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:14 AM
The September 09 issue of the Lightning Newsletter has a great article abou
t jacking up the Lightning.
Have a wonderful day,
Dennis
N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
-----Original Message-----
From: N838BF <prophotoga(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 10, 2012 1:00 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
I have need to lift the airplane to perform some maintenance, i.e. gear leg
replacement. What is the best way to do this?
--------
Gene and Janeen Mohr
N838BF (formerly Bill Fisher's Lightning)
Martinez, GA
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| Subject: | Jacking up the airplane for maintenance |
| From: | "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> |
Thanks Dennis, a good reminder to us all of the great news letters that
Buz produced!
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
W. Wilt
Sent: 11 August 2012 17:12
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
September 09 Newsletter attached. You nee adobe reader to open the
file. Do an internet search for adobe and download the reader, it's
free.
Have a wonderful day,
Dennis
N616DW (Arion Lightning <http://www.flylightning.net/> S/N 132)
-----Original Message-----
From: Bernard Melendez, Jr. <n45bm(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, Aug 11, 2012 11:02 am
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
Only problem is, many of us can't open many of the newsletters. Sigh....
Bernardo
--- On Sat, 8/11/12, Dennis W. Wilt wrote:
From: Dennis W. Wilt <dwwilt(at)AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:14 AM
The September 09 issue of the Lightning Newsletter has a great article
about jacking up the Lightning.
Have a wonderful day,
Dennis
N616DW (Arion Lightning <http://www.flylightning.net/> S/N 132)
-----Original Message-----
From: N838BF <prophotoga(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 10, 2012 1:00 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
I have need to lift the airplane to perform some maintenance, i.e. gear
leg
replacement. What is the best way to do this?
--------
Gene and Janeen Mohr
N838BF (formerly Bill Fisher's Lightning)
Martinez, GA
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| From: | "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Jacking up the airplane for maintenance |
I thank you too, Dennis.
Bernardo
--- On Sat, 8/11/12, James, Clive R wrote:
From: James, Clive R <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 12:28 PM
Thanks Dennis, a good reminder to us all of the great news letters that Buz
produced! -From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner
-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis W. Wilt
Sent: 11 August 2012 17:12
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance -Sep
tember 09 Newsletter attached.- You nee adobe reader to open the file.-
Do an internet search for adobe and download the reader, it's free.-Have
a wonderful day,-DennisN616DW (Arion Lightning-S/N 132)-----Original M
essage-----
From: Bernard Melendez, Jr. <n45bm(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, Aug 11, 2012 11:02 am
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenanceOnly pr
oblem is, many of us can't open many of the newsletters. Sigh....
Bernardo
--- On Sat, 8/11/12, Dennis W. Wilt wrote:
From: Dennis W. Wilt <dwwilt(at)AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:14 AMThe September 09 issue of the Light
ning Newsletter has a great article about jacking up the Lightning.Have a w
onderful day,-DennisN616DW (Arion Lightning-S/N 132)-----Original Messa
ge-----
From: N838BF <prophotoga(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 10, 2012 1:00 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance--> Lightni
ng-List message posted by: "N838BF" -I have need t
o lift the airplane to perform some maintenance, i.e. gear leg replacement.
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance |
| From: | Dwwilt <dwwilt(at)AOL.COM> |
Clive and Bernard,
You are both very welcome.
Blue Skies,
Dennis W. Wilt
N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 11, 2012, at 2:22 PM, "Bernard Melendez, Jr." wrote
:
> I thank you too, Dennis.
> Bernardo
>
> --- On Sat, 8/11/12, James, Clive R wrote:
>
> From: James, Clive R <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 12:28 PM
>
> Thanks Dennis, a good reminder to us all of the great news letters that Bu
z produced!
>
>
>
> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis W. Wilt
> Sent: 11 August 2012 17:12
> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
>
>
>
> September 09 Newsletter attached. You nee adobe reader to open the file.
Do an internet search for adobe and download the reader, it's free.
>
>
>
> Have a wonderful day,
>
>
>
> Dennis
>
> N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bernard Melendez, Jr. <n45bm(at)yahoo.com>
> To: lightning-list
> Sent: Sat, Aug 11, 2012 11:02 am
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
>
> Only problem is, many of us can't open many of the newsletters. Sigh....
> Bernardo
>
> --- On Sat, 8/11/12, Dennis W. Wilt wrote:
>
>
> From: Dennis W. Wilt <dwwilt(at)AOL.COM>
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:14 AM
>
> The September 09 issue of the Lightning Newsletter has a great article abo
ut jacking up the Lightning.
> Have a wonderful day,
>
> Dennis
> N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: N838BF <prophotoga(at)gmail.com>
> To: lightning-list
> Sent: Fri, Aug 10, 2012 1:00 pm
> Subject: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
>
>
> I have need to lift the airplane to perform some maintenance, i.e. gear le
g
>
> replacement. What is the best way to do this?
>
> --------
> Gene and Janeen Mohr
> N838BF (formerly Bill Fisher's Lightning)
> Martinez, GA
>
>
>
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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| From: | "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Missing newsletters and builder's manual chapters |
Dennis,
Thanks again, but there are still problems opening many of the newsletters
and several chapters in the builder's manual and I have the latest version
of Adobe Reader too.
My geeky son tells me that the reason I can't open those newsletters and bu
ilder's manual chapters is that something got changed in the file name on t
hose files. That kinda makes sense to me.
I've talked with Mark Stauffer about this issue and he believes that their
webmaster kinda screwed up. He mentioned that they needed a new webmaster,
but nothing's come of it yet.
I realize that many of these Lightnings are being built with factory assist
ance, but there are a number of us building these planes at home. Having al
l the available information in the newsletters and builder's manual accessi
ble to outside builders is very helpful.
These are the newsletters that I can't open.:
Volumes 1.1 thru 1.11, Volumes 2.1 thru 2.9, and Volume 4.7.
These chapters in the builder's manual I can't open.:
Chapters 42, 43 and 44. Also the cover and introduction.
Maybe someone can figure out how to fix this problem. I hope so.
Regards,
Bernardo Melendez, kit #110
--- On Sat, 8/11/12, Dwwilt wrote:
From: Dwwilt <dwwilt(at)AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 7:30 PM
Clive and Bernard,
You are both very welcome.
Blue Skies,
Dennis W. WiltN616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)Sent from my iPad
On Aug 11, 2012, at 2:22 PM, "Bernard Melendez, Jr." wrot
e:
I thank you too, Dennis.
Bernardo
--- On Sat, 8/11/12, James, Clive R wrote:
From: James, Clive R <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 12:28 PM
Thanks Dennis, a good reminder to us all of the great news letters that Buz
produced! -From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner
-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis W. Wilt
Sent: 11 August 2012 17:12
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance -Sep
tember 09 Newsletter attached.- You nee adobe reader to open the file.-
Do an internet search for adobe and download the reader, it's free.-Have
a wonderful day,-DennisN616DW (Arion Lightning-S/N 132)-----Original M
essage-----
From: Bernard Melendez, Jr. <n45bm(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, Aug 11, 2012 11:02 am
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenanceOnly pr
oblem is, many of us can't open many of the newsletters. Sigh....
Bernardo
--- On=0A Sat, 8/11/12, Dennis W. Wilt wrote:
From: Dennis W. Wilt <dwwilt(at)AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:14 AMThe September 09 issue of the Light
ning Newsletter has a great article about jacking up the Lightning.Have a w
onderful day,-DennisN616DW (Arion Lightning-S/N 132)-----Original Messa
ge-----
From: N838BF <prophotoga(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 10, 2012 1:00 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance--> Lightni
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| From: | luigi di napoli <elledien(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Missing newsletters and builder's manual chapters |
Ciao Bernardo & Co.=0AStarting from January/February2012 the Newsletter dis
continued to be off-loaded.=0AI tried with all systems available, in my cap
acity. Last Adobe, different format, nothing to do.=0AThe result is to be o
ut of the contact with the builders, with the technical news and most impor
tant, with the whole world of the Lightning/Esqual lovers.=0AThis is a -r
egret. Believe me.=0ASo, please, help us to solve this problem.=0ARegards
=0ALuigi=0AEsqual 1-9854=0ARome, Italy=0A=0A=0A____________________________
____=0A Da: "Bernard Melendez, Jr." =0AA: lightning-list@m
atronics.com =0AInviato: Domenica 12 Agosto 2012 6:08=0AOggetto: Lightning-
List: Missing newsletters and builder's manual chapters=0A =0A=0ADennis,=0A
Thanks again, but there are still problems opening many of the newsletters
and several chapters in the builder's manual and I have the latest version
of Adobe Reader too.=0AMy geeky son tells me that the reason I can't open t
hose newsletters and builder's manual chapters is that something got change
d in the file name on those files. That kinda makes sense to me.=0AI've tal
ked with Mark Stauffer about this issue and he believes that their webmaste
r kinda screwed up. He mentioned that they needed a new webmaster, but noth
ing's come of it yet.=0AI realize that many of these Lightnings are being b
uilt with factory assistance, but there are a number of us building these p
lanes at home. Having all the available information in the newsletters and
builder's manual accessible to outside builders is very helpful.=0A=0AThese
are the newsletters that I can't open.:=0AVolumes 1.1 thru 1.11, Volumes 2
.1 thru 2.9, and Volume 4.7.=0A=0AThese chapters in the builder's manual I
can't open.:=0AChapters 42, 43 and 44. Also the cover and introduction.=0A
=0AMaybe someone can figure out how to fix this problem. I hope so.=0A=0ARe
gards,=0ABernardo Melendez, kit #110=0A=0A--- On Sat, 8/11/12, Dwwilt To: "lightning-li
st(at)matronics.com" =0A>Date: Saturday, August
11, 2012, 7:30 PM=0A>=0A>=0A>Clive and Bernard,=0A>=0A>=0A>You are both ver
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ghtning S/N 132)=0A>Sent from my iPad=0A>=0A>On Aug 11, 2012, at 2:22 PM, "
Bernard Melendez, Jr." wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>I thank you too,
Dennis.=0A>>Bernardo=0A>>=0A>>--- On Sat, 8/11/12, James, Clive R =0A>>>Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maint
enance=0A>>>To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com=0A>>>Date: Saturday, August 11
, 2012, 12:28 PM=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Thanks Dennis, a good reminder to us all
of the great news letters that Buz produced!=0A>>>-=0A>>>From:owner-light
ning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronic
s.com] On Behalf Of Dennis W. Wilt=0A>>>Sent: 11 August 2012 17:12=0A>>>To:
lightning-list(at)matronics.com=0A>>>Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up
the airplane for maintenance=0A>>>-=0A>>>September 09 Newsletter attached
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=0A>>>-=0A>>>Dennis=0A>>>N616DW (Arion Lightning-S/N 132)=0A>>>-----Ori
ginal Message-----=0A>>>From: Bernard Melendez, Jr. <n45bm(at)yahoo.com>=0A>>>
012 11:02 am=0A>>>Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for
maintenance=0A>>>Only problem is, many of us can't open many of the newslet
ters. Sigh....=0A>>>Bernardo=0A>>>=0A>>>--- On Sat, 8/11/12, Dennis W. Wilt
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=0A>>>Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
=0A>>>To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com=0A>>>Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012
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| Subject: | Re: Missing newsletters and builder's manual chapters |
| From: | Dwwilt <dwwilt(at)AOL.COM> |
I believe I have a copy of every newsletter. I also have a copy of every se
ction of the builders manual.
I am away from home today, but I will send a copy of the newsletters Luigi a
nd Bernardo need as well as the sections of the manual directly to them via t
heir e-mail address.
Blue Skies,
Dennis W. Wilt
N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 12, 2012, at 3:23 AM, luigi di napoli wrote:
> Ciao Bernardo & Co.
> Starting from January/February2012 the Newsletter discontinued to be off-l
oaded.
> I tried with all systems available, in my capacity. Last Adobe, different f
ormat, nothing to do.
> The result is to be out of the contact with the builders, with the technic
al news and most important, with the whole world of the Lightning/Esqual lov
ers.
> This is a regret. Believe me.
> So, please, help us to solve this problem.
> Regards
> Luigi
> Esqual 1-9854
> Rome, Italy
>
> Da: "Bernard Melendez, Jr."
> A: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> Inviato: Domenica 12 Agosto 2012 6:08
> Oggetto: Lightning-List: Missing newsletters and builder's manual chapters
>
> Dennis,
> Thanks again, but there are still problems opening many of the newsletters
and several chapters in the builder's manual and I have the latest version o
f Adobe Reader too.
> My geeky son tells me that the reason I can't open those newsletters and b
uilder's manual chapters is that something got changed in the file name on t
hose files. That kinda makes sense to me.
> I've talked with Mark Stauffer about this issue and he believes that their
webmaster kinda screwed up. He mentioned that they needed a new webmaster, b
ut nothing's come of it yet.
> I realize that many of these Lightnings are being built with factory assis
tance, but there are a number of us building these planes at home. Having al
l the available information in the newsletters and builder's manual accessib
le to outside builders is very helpful.
>
> These are the newsletters that I can't open.:
> Volumes 1.1 thru 1.11, Volumes 2.1 thru 2.9, and Volume 4.7.
>
> These chapters in the builder's manual I can't open.:
> Chapters 42, 43 and 44. Also the cover and introduction.
>
> Maybe someone can figure out how to fix this problem. I hope so.
>
> Regards,
> Bernardo Melendez, kit #110
>
> --- On Sat, 8/11/12, Dwwilt wrote:
>
> From: Dwwilt <dwwilt(at)AOL.COM>
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
> To: "lightning-list(at)matronics.com"
> Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 7:30 PM
>
> Clive and Bernard,
>
> You are both very welcome.
>
> Blue Skies,
>
> Dennis W. Wilt
> N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 11, 2012, at 2:22 PM, "Bernard Melendez, Jr." wro
te:
>
>> I thank you too, Dennis.
>> Bernardo
>>
>> --- On Sat, 8/11/12, James, Clive R wrote:
>>
>> From: James, Clive R <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
>> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
>> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
>> Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 12:28 PM
>>
>> Thanks Dennis, a good reminder to us all of the great news letters that B
uz produced!
>>
>> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-l
ist-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis W. Wilt
>> Sent: 11 August 2012 17:12
>> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
>>
>> September 09 Newsletter attached. You nee adobe reader to open the file.
Do an internet search for adobe and download the reader, it's free.
>>
>> Have a wonderful day,
>>
>> Dennis
>> N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bernard Melendez, Jr. <n45bm(at)yahoo.com>
>> To: lightning-list
>> Sent: Sat, Aug 11, 2012 11:02 am
>> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
>> Only problem is, many of us can't open many of the newsletters. Sigh....
>> Bernardo
>>
>> --- On Sat, 8/11/12, Dennis W. Wilt wrote:
>>
>> From: Dennis W. Wilt <dwwilt(at)AOL.COM>
>> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
>> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
>> Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:14 AM
>> The September 09 issue of the Lightning Newsletter has a great article ab
out jacking up the Lightning.
>> Have a wonderful day,
>>
>> Dennis
>> N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: N838BF <prophotoga(at)gmail.com>
>> To: lightning-list
>> Sent: Fri, Aug 10, 2012 1:00 pm
>> Subject: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
>>
>> I have need to lift the airplane to perform some maintenance, i.e. gear l
eg
>>
>> replacement. What is the best way to do this?
>>
>> --------
>> Gene and Janeen Mohr
>> N838BF (formerly Bill Fisher's Lightning)
>> Martinez, GA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380598#380598
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Missing newsletters and builder's manual chapters |
| From: | Nick Otterback <nick(at)flylightning.net> |
The problem is the link. We have not for some reason been able to fix it. If
the newsletters are missing and builders out there have copies please email
me and i will try and get them up.
We are looking at alternatives to keep access to the letters and build manua
ls up to date and working
Sent from my pocket
On Aug 11, 2012, at 11:08 PM, "Bernard Melendez, Jr." wrot
e:
> Dennis,
> Thanks again, but there are still problems opening many of the newsletters
and several chapters in the builder's manual and I have the latest version o
f Adobe Reader too.
> My geeky son tells me that the reason I can't open those newsletters and b
uilder's manual chapters is that something got changed in the file name on t
hose files. That kinda makes sense to me.
> I've talked with Mark Stauffer about this issue and he believes that their
webmaster kinda screwed up. He mentioned that they needed a new webmaster, b
ut nothing's come of it yet.
> I realize that many of these Lightnings are being built with factory assis
tance, but there are a number of us building these planes at home. Having al
l the available information in the newsletters and builder's manual accessib
le to outside builders is very helpful.
>
> These are the newsletters that I can't open.:
> Volumes 1.1 thru 1.11, Volumes 2.1 thru 2.9, and Volume 4.7.
>
> These chapters in the builder's manual I can't open.:
> Chapters 42, 43 and 44. Also the cover and introduction.
>
> Maybe someone can figure out how to fix this problem. I hope so.
>
> Regards,
> Bernardo Melendez, kit #110
>
> --- On Sat, 8/11/12, Dwwilt wrote:
>
> From: Dwwilt <dwwilt(at)AOL.COM>
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
> To: "lightning-list(at)matronics.com"
> Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 7:30 PM
>
> Clive and Bernard,
>
> You are both very welcome.
>
> Blue Skies,
>
> Dennis W. Wilt
> N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 11, 2012, at 2:22 PM, "Bernard Melendez, Jr." wro
te:
>
>> I thank you too, Dennis.
>> Bernardo
>>
>> --- On Sat, 8/11/12, James, Clive R wrote:
>>
>> From: James, Clive R <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
>> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
>> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
>> Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 12:28 PM
>>
>> Thanks Dennis, a good reminder to us all of the great news letters that B
uz produced!
>>
>> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-l
ist-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis W. Wilt
>> Sent: 11 August 2012 17:12
>> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
>>
>> September 09 Newsletter attached. You nee adobe reader to open the file.
Do an internet search for adobe and download the reader, it's free.
>>
>> Have a wonderful day,
>>
>> Dennis
>> N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bernard Melendez, Jr. <n45bm(at)yahoo.com>
>> To: lightning-list
>> Sent: Sat, Aug 11, 2012 11:02 am
>> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
>>
>> Only problem is, many of us can't open many of the newsletters. Sigh....
>> Bernardo
>>
>> --- On Sat, 8/11/12, Dennis W. Wilt wrote:
>>
>> From: Dennis W. Wilt <dwwilt(at)AOL.COM>
>> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
>> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
>> Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:14 AM
>>
>> The September 09 issue of the Lightning Newsletter has a great article ab
out jacking up the Lightning.
>> Have a wonderful day,
>>
>> Dennis
>> N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: N838BF <prophotoga(at)gmail.com>
>> To: lightning-list
>> Sent: Fri, Aug 10, 2012 1:00 pm
>> Subject: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
>>
>>
>> I have need to lift the airplane to perform some maintenance, i.e. gear l
eg
>>
>> replacement. What is the best way to do this?
>>
>> --------
>> Gene and Janeen Mohr
>> N838BF (formerly Bill Fisher's Lightning)
>> Martinez, GA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380598#380598
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| From: | GARY BARNETT <barnett6088(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Missing newsletters and builder's manual chapters |
DennisCould you please add me to the distribution of those copys and in par
ticular chapters 42=2C 43=2C and 44 of the build manual. Thanks Gary Barn
ett Sn133 N335AL gbsss(at)bendbroadband.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Missing newsletters and builder's manual chap
ters
From: dwwilt(at)AOL.COM
Date: Sun=2C 12 Aug 2012 06:42:16 -0400
I believe I have a copy of every newsletter. I also have a copy of every s
ection of the builders manual. I am away from home today=2C but I will sen
d a copy of the newsletters Luigi and Bernardo need as well as the sections
of the manual directly to them via their e-mail address.
Blue Skies=2C
Dennis W. WiltN616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)Sent from my iPad
On Aug 12=2C 2012=2C at 3:23 AM=2C luigi di napoli wro
te:
Ciao Bernardo & Co.Starting from January/February2012 the Newsletter discon
tinued to be off-loaded.I tried with all systems available=2C in my capacit
y. Last Adobe=2C different format=2C nothing to do.The result is to be out
of the contact with the builders=2C with the technical news and most import
ant=2C with the whole world of the Lightning/Esqual lovers.This is a regre
t. Believe me.So=2C please=2C help us to solve this problem.RegardsLuigiEsq
ual 1-9854Rome=2C Italy
Da: "Bernard Melendez=2C Jr."
A: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Inviato: Domenica 12 Agosto 2012 6:08
Oggetto: Lightning-List: Missing newsletters and builder's manual chapters
Dennis=2C
Thanks again=2C but there are still problems opening many of the newsletter
s and several chapters in the builder's manual and I have the latest versio
n of Adobe Reader too.
My geeky son tells me that the reason I can't open those newsletters and bu
ilder's manual chapters is that
something got changed in the file name on those files. That kinda makes se
nse to me.
I've talked with Mark Stauffer about this issue and he believes that their
webmaster kinda screwed up. He mentioned that they needed a new webmaster
=2C but nothing's come of it yet.
I realize that many of these Lightnings are being built with factory assist
ance=2C but there are a number of us building these planes at home. Having
all the available information in the newsletters and
builder's manual accessible to outside builders is very helpful.
These are the newsletters that I can't open.:
Volumes 1.1 thru 1.11=2C Volumes 2.1 thru 2.9=2C and Volume 4.7.
These chapters in the builder's manual I can't open.:
Chapters 42=2C 43 and 44. Also the cover and introduction.
Maybe someone can figure out how to fix this problem. I hope so.
Regards=2C
Bernardo Melendez=2C kit #110
--- On Sat=2C 8/11/12=2C Dwwilt wrote:
From: Dwwilt <dwwilt(at)AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
Date: Saturday=2C August 11=2C 2012=2C 7:30 PM
Clive and
Bernard=2C
You are both very welcome.
Blue Skies=2C
Dennis W. WiltN616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)Sent from my iPad
On Aug 11=2C 2012=2C at 2:22 PM=2C "Bernard Melendez=2C Jr." wrote:
I thank you too=2C Dennis.
Bernardo
--- On Sat=2C 8/11/12=2C James=2C Clive R wrote:
From: James=2C Clive R <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
Date: Saturday=2C August
11=2C 2012=2C 12:28 PM
Thanks Dennis=2C a good reminder to us all of the great news letters that B
uz produced! From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner
-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis W. Wilt
Sent: 11 August 2012 17:12
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance Septe
mber 09 Newsletter attached. You nee adobe reader to open the file. Do an
internet search for adobe and download the reader=2C it's free. Have a won
derful day=2C DennisN616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)-----Original Message--
---
From: Bernard Melendez=2C Jr. <n45bm(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat=2C Aug 11=2C 2012 11:02 am
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenanceOnly pr
oblem is=2C many of us can't open many of the newsletters. Sigh....
Bernardo
--- On
Sat=2C 8/11/12=2C Dennis W. Wilt wrote:
From: Dennis W. Wilt <dwwilt(at)AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance
Date: Saturday=2C August 11=2C 2012=2C 8:14 AMThe September 09 issue of the
Lightning Newsletter has a great article about jacking up the Lightning.Ha
ve a wonderful day=2C DennisN616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)-----Original M
essage-----
From: N838BF <prophotoga(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri=2C Aug 10=2C 2012 1:00 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: Jacking up the airplane for maintenance--> Lightni
ng-List message posted by: "N838BF" I have need to
lift the airplane to perform some maintenance=2C i.e. gear leg
replacement. What is the best way to do this? --------Gene and Janeen Mo
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| From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Lightning newsletters - booklet copies. |
The recent Lightning message traffic about past newsletters being
hard/impossible to download from the Arion Lightning web site got me thinking
about
looking into the possibility of having copies printed in booklet format
and making those available to anyone interested. I remember many years ago
having a booklet copy of all past International Aerobatic Club newsletters
that were very helpful when I still had my Pitts Special (the first airplane
I built - and flew for 29 years).
I just looked at all 36 issues of the Lightning newsletter that I wrote
over a 3 year period (between Feb of 2008 until Jan of 2011) to get an idea of
the magnitude of this possible project. Would you believe 923 pages or 963
pages if we included the index. I have no firm idea, but a project with
that many pages might have to be in three booklets just based on the total
number of pages to be bound together.
However, if there is enough interest in the Lightning community, I would be
willing to talk to a printer that I am currently working with on another
project (that involves 150 copies of a 137 page full color booklet) to get
an idea of the cost of such a project on past Lightning newsletters. I have
covered this idea with Nick and the thinks having hard copies of past
newsletters would be a good idea. We would probably make them available through
Arion and other Lightning dealers.
So please let me know if you would be interested in a booklet (or booklets)
that would be copies of past Lightning newsletters. If there is enough
interest I'll get an estimate from the printer and let everyone know the
expected cost. Then we can decide if it would be worth the effort and cost. So
drop me an email and let me know if you would be interested.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning newsletters - booklet copies. |
Hi Buz,
Count me as one who likes the idea. Kindly let us know of developments. Hop
e you're doing well.
Regards,
Bernardo
--- On Sun, 8/12/12, N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM wrote:
From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM <N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM>
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning newsletters - booklet copies.
Date: Sunday, August 12, 2012, 8:52 PM
=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0AThe recent Lightning message traffic about past newslet
ters being =0Ahard/impossible to download from the Arion Lightning web site
got me thinking =0Aabout looking into the possibility of having copies pri
nted in booklet format =0Aand making those available to anyone interested.
I remember many years ago =0Ahaving a-booklet-copy of all past Internat
ional Aerobatic Club =0Anewsletters that were very helpful when I still had
my Pitts Special (the first =0Aairplane I built - and flew for 29 years).
=0A-=0A=0AI just looked at all 36 issues of the Lightning newsletter that
I wrote =0Aover a 3 year period (between Feb of 2008 until Jan of 2011) to
get an idea of =0Athe magnitude of this possible project. Would you believ
e 923 pages or 963 pages =0Aif we included the index. I have no firm idea,
but a project with that many =0Apages might have to be in three booklets ju
st based on the total number of pages =0Ato be bound together. =0A-=0A=0A
However, if there is enough interest in the Lightning community, I would be
=0A=0Awilling to talk to a printer that I am currently working with on ano
ther project =0A(that involves 150 copies of a 137 page full color booklet)
to get an idea of =0Athe cost of such a project on past Lightning newslett
ers. I have covered this =0Aidea with Nick and the thinks having hard copie
s of past newsletters would be a =0Agood idea.- We would probably make th
em available through Arion and other =0ALightning dealers.- =0A-=0ASo p
lease let me know if you would be interested in a booklet (or booklets) =0A
that would be copies of past Lightning newsletters. If there is enough inte
rest =0AI'll get an estimate from the printer and let everyone know the exp
ected cost. =0AThen we can decide if it would be worth the effort and cost.
So drop me an email =0Aand let me know if you would be interested. =0A=0AB
===0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning newsletters - booklet copies. |
| From: | Dwwilt <dwwilt(at)AOL.COM> |
Buz,
I am sure many folks would like a booklet version. I sent a copy of all of t
he missing newsletters, less Volume 4.7 to Nick so they can re-post on their
website.
Blue Skies,
Dennis W. Wilt
N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 12, 2012, at 9:52 PM, N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM wrote:
> The recent Lightning message traffic about past newsletters being hard/imp
ossible to download from the Arion Lightning web site got me thinking about l
ooking into the possibility of having copies printed in booklet format and m
aking those available to anyone interested. I remember many years ago having
a booklet copy of all past International Aerobatic Club newsletters that we
re very helpful when I still had my Pitts Special (the first airplane I buil
t - and flew for 29 years).
>
> I just looked at all 36 issues of the Lightning newsletter that I wrote ov
er a 3 year period (between Feb of 2008 until Jan of 2011) to get an idea of
the magnitude of this possible project. Would you believe 923 pages or 963 p
ages if we included the index. I have no firm idea, but a project with that m
any pages might have to be in three booklets just based on the total number o
f pages to be bound together.
>
> However, if there is enough interest in the Lightning community, I would b
e willing to talk to a printer that I am currently working with on another p
roject (that involves 150 copies of a 137 page full color booklet) to get an
idea of the cost of such a project on past Lightning newsletters. I have co
vered this idea with Nick and the thinks having hard copies of past newslett
ers would be a good idea. We would probably make them available through Ari
on and other Lightning dealers.
>
> So please let me know if you would be interested in a booklet (or booklets
) that would be copies of past Lightning newsletters. If there is enough int
erest I'll get an estimate from the printer and let everyone know the expect
ed cost. Then we can decide if it would be worth the effort and cost. So dro
p me an email and let me know if you would be interested.
> Blue Skies,
> Buz Rich
>
>
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| From: | Ken Wilson <kdwilson1(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning newsletters - booklet copies. |
Sounts great, Rich.- And thanks for the super job you did over those year
s.=0A=0AKen Wilson=0ASN 97=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________
=0AFrom: "N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM" <N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM>=0ATo: lightning-list@matroni
cs.com=0ASent: Sun, August 12, 2012 8:52:53 PM=0ASubject: Lightning-List: L
ightning newsletters - booklet copies.=0A=0AThe recent Lightning message tr
affic about past newsletters being =0Ahard/impossible to download from the
Arion Lightning web site got me thinking =0Aabout looking into the possibil
ity of having copies printed in booklet format =0Aand making those availabl
e to anyone interested. I remember many years ago =0Ahaving a-booklet-c
opy of all past International Aerobatic Club newsletters that =0Awere very
helpful when I still had my Pitts Special (the first airplane I built =0A-
and flew for 29 years). =0A=0A=0AI just looked at all 36 issues of the Ligh
tning newsletter that I wrote over a 3 =0Ayear period (between Feb of 2008
until Jan of 2011) to get an idea of the =0Amagnitude of this possible proj
ect. Would you believe 923 pages or 963 pages if =0Awe included the index.
I have no firm idea, but a project with that many pages =0Amight have to be
in three booklets just based on the total number of pages to be =0Abound t
ogether. =0A=0A=0AHowever, if there is enough interest in the Lightning com
munity, I would be =0Awilling to talk to a printer that I am currently work
ing with on another project =0A(that involves 150 copies of a 137 page full
color booklet) to get an idea of =0Athe cost of such a project on past Lig
htning newsletters. I have covered this =0Aidea with Nick and the thinks ha
ving hard copies of past newsletters would be a =0Agood idea.- We would p
robably make them available through Arion and other =0ALightning dealers.
- =0A=0A=0ASo please let me know if you would be interested in a booklet
(or booklets) that =0Awould be copies of past Lightning newsletters. If the
re is enough interest I'll =0Aget an estimate from the printer and let ever
yone know the expected cost. Then =0Awe can decide if it would be worth the
effort and cost. So drop me an email and =0Alet me know if you would be in
=== =0A
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| From: | "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)rochester.rr.com> |
BUZ,
Again thanks for all the work on the newsletters all these
years and I would be in line for a hard copy also. But I think having a
reliable web site with the letters is more than sufficient. How we
handle that I dont know. Missed you among all the Cubs at Oshkosh. Hope
to see you at another flyin sometime. Tex
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)rochester.rr.com> |
Nick,
We were talking about the newsletters on line and I
think the updates to the builders manual is just as important. I have
one of the first kits and rely on the builders manual to see what
changes have been made and to determined if I need to update any of
those changes on my airplane. When an improvement has been incorporated,
a note in the newsletter would be very helpful.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve Sundquist <sttwig(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: builders manual |
I am seconding Tex's comments. I am still in the process of building
one of the earlier kits and need to reference the build manual and any
updates that are available. I would like very much to incorporate as
many updates to the design as possible. Also, the newsletters are a
rich source of information for builders and owners. I didn't download
each edition because I thought they would always be available on line.
Without taking anything away from Buz's offer, my personal preference
would be an online availability of the build manual and newsletters.
Updated information might take some of the load off technical support at
Lightning Central, although I do realize it is often easier to call or
shoot off a quick email than to look it up. Watch out Nick! Now that
I'm working on my project again and stuck out here in the lonely
Northwest, I'm compiling a list of questions.
Kind regards,
Steve Sundquist
Kit #48, just back from painting and onto final assembly
On 8/13/2012 10:53 AM, Tex Mantell wrote:
> Nick,
> We were talking about the newsletters on line and I
> think the updates to the builders manual is just as important. I have
> one of the first kits and rely on the builders manual to see what
> changes have been made and to determined if I need to update any of
> those changes on my airplane. When an improvement has been
> incorporated, a note in the newsletter would be very helpful.
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nick Otterback" <nick(at)flylightning.net> |
Tex,
Correct and noted. All links to the newsletters were updated this morning
and are working. I am running thru the build manual as we speak and should
have that finished in the next day or so.
Thanks
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft LLC
R&D Technical Support
931-680-1781
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 12:53 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: builders manual
Nick,
We were talking about the newsletters on line and I think
the updates to the builders manual is just as important. I have one of the
first kits and rely on the builders manual to see what changes have been
made and to determined if I need to update any of those changes on my
airplane. When an improvement has been incorporated, a note in the
newsletter would be very helpful.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Haas" <checkpoint2(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning newsletters - booklet copies. |
Count me in! Bob Haas SN 71, I know I have missed
several letters and service bulletins.
From: Ken Wilson
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning newsletters - booklet copies.
Sounts great, Rich. And thanks for the super job you did over those
years.
Ken Wilson
SN 97
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From: "N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM" <N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM>
Sent: Sun, August 12, 2012 8:52:53 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning newsletters - booklet copies.
The recent Lightning message traffic about past newsletters being
hard/impossible to download from the Arion Lightning web site got me
thinking about looking into the possibility of having copies printed in
booklet format and making those available to anyone interested. I
remember many years ago having a booklet copy of all past International
Aerobatic Club newsletters that were very helpful when I still had my
Pitts Special (the first airplane I built - and flew for 29 years).
I just looked at all 36 issues of the Lightning newsletter that I wrote
over a 3 year period (between Feb of 2008 until Jan of 2011) to get an
idea of the magnitude of this possible project. Would you believe 923
pages or 963 pages if we included the index. I have no firm idea, but a
project with that many pages might have to be in three booklets just
based on the total number of pages to be bound together.
However, if there is enough interest in the Lightning community, I would
be willing to talk to a printer that I am currently working with on
another project (that involves 150 copies of a 137 page full color
booklet) to get an idea of the cost of such a project on past Lightning
newsletters. I have covered this idea with Nick and the thinks having
hard copies of past newsletters would be a good idea. We would probably
make them available through Arion and other Lightning dealers.
So please let me know if you would be interested in a booklet (or
booklets) that would be copies of past Lightning newsletters. If there
is enough interest I'll get an estimate from the printer and let
everyone know the expected cost. Then we can decide if it would be worth
the effort and cost. So drop me an email and let me know if you would be
interested.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Ligh============
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve Sundquist <sttwig(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | facebook pictures |
Nick, Mark, etc.
I just looked at the firewall forward pictures and read the narrative
included with each one on your Facebook page. Just what I wanted to
see! It really helps to see what works, how to do it and the
descriptions add helpful hints without needing to make all the learning
mistakes yourself. I hope it is easy to add to that page because it
will be an invaluable tool to builders and prospective buyers alike.
Great work,
Steve Sundquist
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | GARY BARNETT <barnett6088(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | facebook pictures |
SteveIf it would be of any help you are welcome to look over my completed L
ightning (Factory built). I live in the Northwest (Sisters Oregon) and han
ger the plane in Prineville. SN 133 N335AL gbsss(at)bendbroadband.com
> Date: Mon=2C 13 Aug 2012 12:31:24 -0700
> From: sttwig(at)gmail.com
> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Lightning-List: facebook pictures
>
>
> Nick=2C Mark=2C etc.
>
> I just looked at the firewall forward pictures and read the narrative
> included with each one on your Facebook page. Just what I wanted to
> see! It really helps to see what works=2C how to do it and the
> descriptions add helpful hints without needing to make all the learning
> mistakes yourself. I hope it is easy to add to that page because it
> will be an invaluable tool to builders and prospective buyers alike.
>
> Great work=2C
>
> Steve Sundquist
>
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| From: | "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)rochester.rr.com> |
Doing my anual , can anyone quote the brand and part number for the
fuel filters? I wrote down somewhere but its gone now.
Tex
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: fuel filters |
| From: | Nick Otterback <nick(at)flylightning.net> |
Tex,
Go get some Fram G1 filters from the auto store they work the best.
Nick
Sent from my pocket
On Aug 16, 2012, at 6:28 PM, "Tex Mantell" wrote:
> Doing my anual , can anyone quote the brand and part number for the fuel f
ilters? I wrote down somewhere but its gone now.
> Tex
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fuel filters |
| From: | Dwwilt <dwwilt(at)AOL.COM> |
Fram G1 or equivalent.
Blue Skies,
Dennis W. Wilt
N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 16, 2012, at 7:28 PM, "Tex Mantell" wrote:
> Doing my anual , can anyone quote the brand and part number for the fuel f
ilters? I wrote down somewhere but its gone now.
> Tex
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: fuel filters |
Nick,
Are these better than the Redden Marine SIE 18-7829?
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Otterback <nick(at)flylightning.net>
Sent: Thu, Aug 16, 2012 7:35 pm
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: fuel filters
Tex,
Go get some Fram G1 filters from the auto store they work the best.
Nick
Sent from my pocket
On Aug 16, 2012, at 6:28 PM, "Tex Mantell" wrote:
Doing my anual , can anyone quote the brand and part number for the fuel f
ilters? I wrote down somewhere but its gone now.
Tex
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| From: | "Nick Otterback" <nick(at)flylightning.net> |
Bear,
Yes I would say they are. I think the marine ones are they same we send in
the kits. We don't send those anymore. A customer cut one open and found
that the filter inside is more of a screen like the finger fliter in the
tank but a little finer, not much. So we have switched to the Fram G1 as we
know those are a paper filter, you can see them, they are clear and allow
inspection as well.
Nick
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of n5pb(at)AOL.COM
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: fuel filters
Nick,
Are these better than the Redden Marine SIE 18-7829?
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Otterback <nick(at)flylightning.net>
Sent: Thu, Aug 16, 2012 7:35 pm
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: fuel filters
Tex,
Go get some Fram G1 filters from the auto store they work the best.
Nick
Sent from my pocket
On Aug 16, 2012, at 6:28 PM, "Tex Mantell" wrote:
Doing my anual , can anyone quote the brand and part number for the fuel
filters? I wrote down somewhere but its gone now.
Tex
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| From: | Gerd + Uli Nowack <NowackLinden(at)gmx.de> |
The first Lightning built in Germany, D-ELIY , kit no.89, made its
maiden flight today in the blue evening skies of Upper Hesse, after a
construction time of 2 years and 8 months including 4 months waiting for
hangar space and a test/evaluation/certification period of 3 months.
D-ELIY, as you might have read in earlier postings, is not only the
first Lightning throughout Western Europe, but also the first one
powered by a Belgian ULPower engine driving a 3blade CS prop.
The flight lasted 40 minutes and ended with a landing (that wasn`t even
too bad!) at the EDFL / Giessen-Luetzellinden airfield . Engine and
prop performed ok . Engine temps were a bit on the warm side but in
limits, with OAT above 30C / 85F.
It is too early to judge the performance of the new drive, but the first
impression is positive.
2600rpm / 25inHg resulted in almost 130 KIAS without the wheel pants.
Gerd
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: First Flight! |
Congratulations, Gerd: Great job.
Lynn
In a message dated 8/18/2012 6:21:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
NowackLinden(at)gmx.de writes:
The first Lightning built in Germany, D-ELIY , kit no.89, made its
maiden flight today in the blue evening skies of Upper Hesse, after a
construction time of 2 years and 8 months including 4 months waiting for
hangar space and a test/evaluation/certification period of 3 months.
D-ELIY, as you might have read in earlier postings, is not only the
first Lightning throughout Western Europe, but also the first one
powered by a Belgian ULPower engine driving a 3blade CS prop.
The flight lasted 40 minutes and ended with a landing (that wasn`t even
too bad!) at the EDFL / Giessen-Luetzellinden airfield . Engine and
prop performed ok . Engine temps were a bit on the warm side but in
limits, with OAT above 30=B0C / 85=B0F.
It is too early to judge the performance of the new drive, but the first
impression is positive.
2600rpm / 25inHg resulted in almost 130 KIAS without the wheel pants.
Gerd
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nick Otterback <vettin74(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flight! |
Way to go Gerd! We will be listening closely for the performance numbers on your
new jet.
Nick
Sent from my pocket
On Aug 18, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Gerd + Uli Nowack wrote:
> The first Lightning built in Germany, D-ELIY , kit no.89, made its maiden flight
today in the blue evening skies of Upper Hesse, after a construction time
of 2 years and 8 months including 4 months waiting for hangar space and a test/evaluation/certification
period of 3 months.
> D-ELIY, as you might have read in earlier postings, is not only the first Lightning
throughout Western Europe, but also the first one powered by a Belgian
ULPower engine driving a 3blade CS prop.
> The flight lasted 40 minutes and ended with a landing (that wasn`t even too
bad!) at the EDFL / Giessen-Luetzellinden airfield . Engine and prop performed
ok . Engine temps were a bit on the warm side but in limits, with OAT above
30C / 85F.
> It is too early to judge the performance of the new drive, but the first impression
is positive.
> 2600rpm / 25inHg resulted in almost 130 KIAS without the wheel pants.
>
> Gerd
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: First Flight! |
Congratulations Gerd. I hope you have many years of fun flying.
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerd + Uli Nowack <NowackLinden(at)gmx.de>
Sent: Sat, Aug 18, 2012 6:20 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: First Flight!
The first Lightning built in Germany, D-ELIY , kit no.89, made its
maiden flight today in the blue evening skies of Upper Hesse, after a
construction time of 2 years and 8 months including 4 months waiting for
hangar space and a test/evaluation/certification period of 3 months.
D-ELIY, as you might have read in earlier postings, is not only the
first Lightning throughout Western Europe, but also the first one
powered by a Belgian ULPower engine driving a 3blade CS prop.
The flight lasted 40 minutes and ended with a landing (that wasn`t even
too bad!) at the EDFL / Giessen-Luetzellinden airfield . Engine and
prop performed ok . Engine temps were a bit on the warm side but in
limits, with OAT above 30=C2=B0C / 85=C2=B0F.
It is too early to judge the performance of the new drive, but the first
impression is positive.
2600rpm / 25inHg resulted in almost 130 KIAS without the wheel pants.
Gerd
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: First Flight! |
| From: | Max Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com> |
Congratulations!!!!!
Hals- und Beinbruch!
Max
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 18, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Gerd + Uli Nowack wrote:
> The first Lightning built in Germany, D-ELIY , kit no.89, made its maiden flight
today in the blue evening skies of Upper Hesse, after a construction time
of 2 years and 8 months including 4 months waiting for hangar space and a test/evaluation/certification
period of 3 months.
> D-ELIY, as you might have read in earlier postings, is not only the first Lightning
throughout Western Europe, but also the first one powered by a Belgian
ULPower engine driving a 3blade CS prop.
> The flight lasted 40 minutes and ended with a landing (that wasn`t even too
bad!) at the EDFL / Giessen-Luetzellinden airfield . Engine and prop performed
ok . Engine temps were a bit on the warm side but in limits, with OAT above
30C / 85F.
> It is too early to judge the performance of the new drive, but the first impression
is positive.
> 2600rpm / 25inHg resulted in almost 130 KIAS without the wheel pants.
>
> Gerd
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flight! |
Outstanding! Congrats and wishes for a happy test phase. well done.
Bernardo
SN 110
--- On Sat, 8/18/12, Gerd + Uli Nowack wrote:
From: Gerd + Uli Nowack <NowackLinden(at)gmx.de>
Subject: Lightning-List: First Flight!
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012, 5:13 PM
The first Lightning built in Germany, D-ELIY , kit no.89, made its maiden f
light today in the blue evening skies of Upper Hesse, after a construction
time of 2 years and 8 months including 4 months waiting for hangar space an
d a test/evaluation/certification period of- 3 months.
D-ELIY, as you might have read in earlier postings,- is not only the firs
t Lightning throughout- Western Europe, but also the first one powered by
a Belgian ULPower engine driving a 3blade CS prop.
The flight lasted 40 minutes and ended with a- landing (that wasn`t even
too bad!) at the- EDFL / Giessen-Luetzellinden airfield . Engine and prop
performed ok- . Engine temps were a bit on the warm side but in limits,
- with OAT above- 30=B0C / 85=B0F.
It is too early to judge the performance of the new drive, but the first im
pression is positive.
2600rpm / 25inHg resulted in almost 130 KIAS without the wheel pants.
Gerd
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | luigi di napoli <elledien(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flight! |
Congratulations Gerd.=0AI wish you hours and hours of flight with the same
joy of the -first flight.=0ALuigi=0AEsqual I-9854=0A=0A=0A_______________
_________________=0A Da: Gerd + Uli Nowack =0AA: light
ning-list(at)matronics.com =0AInviato: Domenica 19 Agosto 2012 0:13=0AOggetto:
Lightning-List: First Flight!=0A =0AThe first Lightning built in Germany,
D-ELIY , kit no.89, made its maiden flight today in the blue evening skies
of Upper Hesse, after a construction time of 2 years and 8 months includin
g 4 months waiting for hangar space and a test/evaluation/certification per
iod of- 3 months.=0AD-ELIY, as you might have read in earlier postings,
- is not only the first Lightning throughout- Western Europe, but also
the first one powered by a Belgian ULPower engine driving a 3blade CS prop.
=0AThe flight lasted 40 minutes and ended with a- landing (that wasn`t ev
en too bad!) at the- EDFL / Giessen-Luetzellinden airfield . Engine and p
rop performed ok- . Engine temps were a bit on the warm side but in limit
s,- with OAT above- 30=B0C / 85=B0F.=0AIt is too early to judge the per
formance of the new drive, but the first impression is positive.=0A2600rpm
/ 25inHg resulted in almost 130 KIAS without the wheel pants.=0A=0AGerd
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| From: | DDW <ddw55(at)hotmail.com> |
Congratulations...well done...the first in Europe but certainly not the last one!!!
Daniel from Belgium
Esqual
PH-DWD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerd + Uli Nowack
Sent: zondag 19 augustus 2012 0:14
Subject: Lightning-List: First Flight!
The first Lightning built in Germany, D-ELIY , kit no.89, made its maiden flight
today in the blue evening skies of Upper Hesse, after a construction time of
2 years and 8 months including 4 months waiting for hangar space and a test/evaluation/certification
period of 3 months.
D-ELIY, as you might have read in earlier postings, is not only the first Lightning
throughout Western Europe, but also the first one powered by a Belgian
ULPower engine driving a 3blade CS prop.
The flight lasted 40 minutes and ended with a landing (that wasn`t even too bad!)
at the EDFL / Giessen-Luetzellinden airfield . Engine and prop performed
ok . Engine temps were a bit on the warm side but in limits, with OAT above
30C / 85F.
It is too early to judge the performance of the new drive, but the first impression
is positive.
2600rpm / 25inHg resulted in almost 130 KIAS without the wheel pants.
Gerd
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MP" <mozart1(at)ctemail.net.au> |
Congratulations for your maiden and a lot of joy for your following flights.
Gruesse
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerd + Uli Nowack
Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2012 8:14 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: First Flight!
The first Lightning built in Germany, D-ELIY , kit no.89, made its maiden flight
today in the blue evening skies of Upper Hesse, after a construction time of
2 years and 8 months including 4 months waiting for hangar space and a test/evaluation/certification
period of 3 months.
D-ELIY, as you might have read in earlier postings, is not only the first Lightning
throughout Western Europe, but also the first one powered by a Belgian
ULPower engine driving a 3blade CS prop.
The flight lasted 40 minutes and ended with a landing (that wasn`t even too bad!)
at the EDFL / Giessen-Luetzellinden airfield . Engine and prop performed
ok . Engine temps were a bit on the warm side but in limits, with OAT above
30C / 85F.
It is too early to judge the performance of the new drive, but the first impression
is positive.
2600rpm / 25inHg resulted in almost 130 KIAS without the wheel pants.
Gerd
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Waynelenox <waynelenox(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flight! |
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 18, 2012, at 3:13 PM, Gerd + Uli Nowack wrote:
> The first Lightning built in Germany, D-ELIY , kit no.89, made its maiden flight
today in the blue evening skies of Upper Hesse, after a construction time
of 2 years and 8 months including 4 months waiting for hangar space and a test/evaluation/certification
period of 3 months.
> D-ELIY, as you might have read in earlier postings, is not only the first Lightning
throughout Western Europe, but also the first one powered by a Belgian
ULPower engine driving a 3blade CS prop.
> The flight lasted 40 minutes and ended with a landing (that wasn`t even too
bad!) at the EDFL / Giessen-Luetzellinden airfield . Engine and prop performed
ok . Engine temps were a bit on the warm side but in limits, with OAT above
30C / 85F.
> It is too early to judge the performance of the new drive, but the first impression
is positive.
> 2600rpm / 25inHg resulted in almost 130 KIAS without the wheel pants.
>
> Gerd
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nick Otterback" <nick(at)flylightning.net> |
| Subject: | Updated build manual Sections |
Group,
The first set of updated build manuals are posted now.
Those sections are dated 8-20-2012 and are as follows,
3, 32,33,32,43,44.
All sections should open and work correctly.
Over the next few weeks all sections will be updated and posted.
thanks
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft LLC
R&D Technical Support
931-680-1781
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Updated build manual Sections |
| From: | "Dennis W. Wilt" <dwwilt(at)AOL.COM> |
Nick,
32 and 33 go to the same document.
Have a wonderful day,
Dennis
N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Otterback <nick(at)flylightning.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 4:01 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: Updated build manual Sections
Group,
The first set of updated build manuals are posted now.
Those sections are dated 8-20-2012 and are as follows,
3, 32,33,32,43,44.
All sections should open and work correctly.
Over the next few weeks all sections will be updated and posted.
thanks
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft LLC
R&D Technical Support
931-680-1781
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | GARY BARNETT <barnett6088(at)msn.com> |
GerdCongratulations on the first flight . Many happy returns to the air.
Gary Barnett SN 133
> Date: Sun=2C 19 Aug 2012 00:13:38 +0200
> From: NowackLinden(at)gmx.de
> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Lightning-List: First Flight!
>
> The first Lightning built in Germany=2C D-ELIY =2C kit no.89=2C made its
> maiden flight today in the blue evening skies of Upper Hesse=2C after a
> construction time of 2 years and 8 months including 4 months waiting for
> hangar space and a test/evaluation/certification period of 3 months.
> D-ELIY=2C as you might have read in earlier postings=2C is not only the
> first Lightning throughout Western Europe=2C but also the first one
> powered by a Belgian ULPower engine driving a 3blade CS prop.
> The flight lasted 40 minutes and ended with a landing (that wasn`t even
> too bad!) at the EDFL / Giessen-Luetzellinden airfield . Engine and
> prop performed ok . Engine temps were a bit on the warm side but in
> limits=2C with OAT above 30=B0C / 85=B0F.
> It is too early to judge the performance of the new drive=2C but the firs
t
> impression is positive.
> 2600rpm / 25inHg resulted in almost 130 KIAS without the wheel pants.
>
> Gerd
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nick Otterback" <nick(at)flylightning.net> |
| Subject: | Updated build manual Sections |
Yep web guy is fixing that.
Nick
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis W.
Wilt
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Updated build manual Sections
Nick,
32 and 33 go to the same document.
Have a wonderful day,
Dennis
N616DW (Arion Lightning <http://www.flylightning.net/> S/N 132)
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Otterback <nick(at)flylightning.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 4:01 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: Updated build manual Sections
Group,
The first set of updated build manuals are posted now.
Those sections are dated 8-20-2012 and are as follows,
3, 32,33,32,43,44.
All sections should open and work correctly.
Over the next few weeks all sections will be updated and posted.
thanks
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft LLC
R&D Technical Support
931-680-1781
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| From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Lightning Newsletter Booklets |
A week or so ago I sent a message to the group asking if there was any
interest in having published booklets or "hard copies" of all the past
Lightning newsletters. I thought this might be a helpful thing to have based
on
the numerous times I used a similar product on aerobatics when I was building
and flying my Pitts Special. It was always good to have the info
available to refer to in the hangar while I was working on the Pitts or getting
ready to go practice a new sequence.
Several Lightning builders responded that they would like to have this type
of resource available, so I have been working with a printer in NC that I
have worked with before when I needed booklets published in quantity.
Anyway, if we printed all Lightning newsletters from day one (Feb 2008) to the
most current one (Jan/Feb 2012) the project would be well over 1000 pages
and would likely take a total of four booklets or one for 2008, 2009, 2010,
and 2011/2012. Unfortunately, that would be pretty expensive. Likely at
least $150 for all four booklets. It could be more depending on how many
folks order the books.
Based on the above, I'm thinking I will just drop the project as the cost
is quite a bit more than I expected it to be. If you disagree, let me
know.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Romig <peteromig(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning Newsletter Booklets |
Can't the Lightning folks just archive your booklet form for folks to
download and get printed on there own? Seems the simple way out that
leaves the info available.
My 2 pence- Thanks for the hard work.
Larry Romig
On 8/21/2012 5:26 PM, N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM wrote:
> A week or so ago I sent a message to the group asking if there was any
> interest in having published booklets or "hard copies" of all the past
> Lightning newsletters. I thought this might be a helpful thing to
> have based on the numerous times I used a similar product on
> aerobatics when I was building and flying my Pitts Special. It was
> always good to have the info available to refer to in the hangar while
> I was working on the Pitts or getting ready to go practice a new
> sequence.
> Several Lightning builders responded that they would like to have this
> type of resource available, so I have been working with a printer in
> NC that I have worked with before when I needed booklets published in
> quantity. Anyway, if we printed all Lightning newsletters from day
> one (Feb 2008) to the most current one (Jan/Feb 2012) the project
> would be well over 1000 pages and would likely take a total of four
> booklets or one for 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011/2012. Unfortunately,
> that would be pretty expensive. Likely *at least $150* for all four
> booklets. It could be more depending on how many folks order the books.
> Based on the above, I'm thinking I will just drop the project as the
> cost is quite a bit more than I expected it to be. If you disagree,
> let me know.
> Blue Skies,
> Buz Rich
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning Newsletter Booklets |
Larry, all the past newsletters are currently on the Arion Lightning web
site. You can read them there or copy each one as desired. The though,
while their web site was having problems, was that it might be useful to have
all of them available "in the hangar" so you could refer to them when
needed. That all..... maybe solving a problem that really doesn't exist.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
In a message dated 8/21/2012 6:21:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
peteromig(at)gmail.com writes:
Can't the Lightning folks just archive your booklet form for folks to
download and get printed on there own? Seems the simple way out that leaves the
info available.
My 2 pence- Thanks for the hard work.
Larry Romig
On 8/21/2012 5:26 PM, _N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM_ (mailto:N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM) wrote:
A week or so ago I sent a message to the group asking if there was any
interest in having published booklets or "hard copies" of all the past
Lightning newsletters. I thought this might be a helpful thing to have based
on
the numerous times I used a similar product on aerobatics when I was
building and flying my Pitts Special. It was always good to have the info
available to refer to in the hangar while I was working on the Pitts or getting
ready to go practice a new sequence.
Several Lightning builders responded that they would like to have this
type of resource available, so I have been working with a printer in NC that I
have worked with before when I needed booklets published in quantity.
Anyway, if we printed all Lightning newsletters from day one (Feb 2008) to the
most current one (Jan/Feb 2012) the project would be well over 1000 pages
and would likely take a total of four booklets or one for 2008, 2009, 2010,
and 2011/2012. Unfortunately, that would be pretty expensive. Likely at
least $150 for all four booklets. It could be more depending on how many
folks order the books.
Based on the above, I'm thinking I will just drop the project as the cost
is quite a bit more than I expected it to be. If you disagree, let me
know.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning Newsletter Booklets |
Hi Buz,
You're right. I don't think builders really have to have hard, printed copi
es, however nice that might be, as long as the newsletters and all chapters
of the builder's manual are available and IF we can open the files to prin
t them.
Many thanks for your hard work in producing the newsletters for the first t
hree years.
Regards,
Bernardo
--- On Tue, 8/21/12, N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM wrote:
From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM <N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM>
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Newsletter Booklets
Date: Tuesday, August 21, 2012, 4:26 PM
=0A=0A =0A =0A=0AA week or so ago I sent a message to the group asking if t
here was any =0Ainterest in having published booklets or "hard copies" of a
ll the past Lightning =0Anewsletters.- I thought this might be a helpful
thing to have based on the =0Anumerous times I used a similar product on ae
robatics when I was building and =0Aflying my Pitts Special.- It was alwa
ys good to have the info available to =0Arefer to in the hangar while I was
working on the Pitts or getting ready to go =0Apractice a new sequence.-
=0A-=0ASeveral Lightning builders responded that they would like to have
this type =0Aof resource available, so I have been working with a printer
in NC-that I =0Ahave worked with before when I needed booklets published
in quantity.- =0AAnyway, if we printed all Lightning newsletters from day
one (Feb 2008) to the =0Amost current one (Jan/Feb 2012) the project would
be well over 1000 pages and =0Awould likely take a total of four booklets
or one for 2008, 2009, 2010, and =0A2011/2012.- Unfortunately, that would
be pretty expensive.- Likely =0Aat least $150 for all four booklets.-
It could be more =0Adepending on how many folks order the books.=0A-=0ABa
sed on the above, I'm thinking I will just drop the project as the cost =0A
is quite a bit more than I expected it to be.- If you disagree, let me
==========0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Romig <peteromig(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning Newsletter Booklets |
But I'd agree that the booklet form( with maybe the just the technical
stuff in it) is useful and the format could be on the website, sort of a
Reader's Digest condensed (my parents had bookshelves full of the bound
copies) version.
We'll always have to fight with sites being down which is why the hard
copy is valuable. I still value having paper in my hands, I can't read a
book on a Kindle or tablet as satisfyingly as an actual book. Hard to
think they (books and newspapers) be museum pieces only someday. Anyway
have you looked at the volume of just technical stuff compared to the a
reprint of the entire newsletter? I'd expect you could reduce the number
of pages significantly. If I recall correctly your newsletters had a
fair amount of "rich" content (stories and the like) in addition to the
technical. That or organize by the technical stuff by systems so you
don't have to worry about having the right years printed. Could be as
simple as airframe and engine or be divided into smaller categories.
Just food for thought...
Stay well my friend-
Larry
On 8/21/2012 6:59 PM, N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM wrote:
> Larry, all the past newsletters are currently on the Arion Lightning
> web site. You can read them there or copy each one as desired. The
> though, while their web site was having problems, was that it might be
> useful to have all of them available "in the hangar" so you could
> refer to them when needed. That all..... maybe solving a problem
> that really doesn't exist.
> Blue Skies,
> Buz Rich
> In a message dated 8/21/2012 6:21:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> peteromig(at)gmail.com writes:
>
> Can't the Lightning folks just archive your booklet form for folks
> to download and get printed on there own? Seems the simple way out
> that leaves the info available.
> My 2 pence- Thanks for the hard work.
> Larry Romig
> On 8/21/2012 5:26 PM, N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM wrote:
>> A week or so ago I sent a message to the group asking if there
>> was any interest in having published booklets or "hard copies" of
>> all the past Lightning newsletters. I thought this might be a
>> helpful thing to have based on the numerous times I used a
>> similar product on aerobatics when I was building and flying my
>> Pitts Special. It was always good to have the info available to
>> refer to in the hangar while I was working on the Pitts or
>> getting ready to go practice a new sequence.
>> Several Lightning builders responded that they would like to have
>> this type of resource available, so I have been working with a
>> printer in NC that I have worked with before when I needed
>> booklets published in quantity. Anyway, if we printed all
>> Lightning newsletters from day one (Feb 2008) to the most current
>> one (Jan/Feb 2012) the project would be well over 1000 pages and
>> would likely take a total of four booklets or one for 2008, 2009,
>> 2010, and 2011/2012. Unfortunately, that would be pretty
>> expensive. Likely *at least $150* for all four booklets. It
>> could be more depending on how many folks order the books.
>> Based on the above, I'm thinking I will just drop the project as
>> the cost is quite a bit more than I expected it to be. If you
>> disagree, let me know.
>> Blue Skies,
>> Buz Rich
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
> *
>
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>
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| From: | "Nick Otterback" <nick(at)flylightning.net> |
| Subject: | Build sections updated |
All sections of the build manual do open now and the section that were
missing 42,43,44 have been revised and up loaded as well.
2 sections have been completed this morning. Section 11 is revised.
Section 11A is a supplement to that and is added as an aid. This is
something we use in house when building the LS1 and should be used in
conjunction with the build manual.
All sections being revised will have current dates next to them. Just
because the date hasn't changed on the web in 2 years doesn't mean the
section is not applicable.
Thanks
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft LLC
R&D Technical Support
931-680-1781
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Build sections updated |
Nick,
Thank you for updating/revising the builder's manual and newsletters. Your
efforts are welcomed and appreciated.
Regards,
Bernardo
--- On Wed, 8/22/12, Nick Otterback wrote:
From: Nick Otterback <nick(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Lightning-List: Build sections updated
Date: Wednesday, August 22, 2012, 8:39 AM
All sections of the build manual do open now and the section that were miss
ing 42,43,44 have been revised and up loaded as well. =C2-2 sections have
been completed this morning. Section 11 is revised. Section 11A is a suppl
ement to that and is added as an aid. This is something we use in house whe
n building the LS1 and should be used in conjunction with the build manual.
=C2-All sections being revised will have current dates next to them. Ju
st because the date hasn=99t changed on the web in 2 years doesn
=99t mean the section is not applicable. =C2-Thanks =C2-Nick Otterba
ckArion Aircraft LLCR&D Technical Support931-680-1781 =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Lightning Newsletter Booklets |
Larry,
I now understand what you were saying - and a good idea. I'll take a
look at how much just including the building and technical stuff would
decrease the total page count. It may take a while to get around to this "new"
project, but I'll put it on my "to do" list.
Thanks,
Buz
In a message dated 8/22/2012 8:06:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
peteromig(at)gmail.com writes:
But I'd agree that the booklet form( with maybe the just the technical
stuff in it) is useful and the format could be on the website, sort of a
Reader's Digest condensed (my parents had bookshelves full of the bound copies)
version.
We'll always have to fight with sites being down which is why the hard
copy is valuable. I still value having paper in my hands, I can't read a book
on a Kindle or tablet as satisfyingly as an actual book. Hard to think they
(books and newspapers) be museum pieces only someday. Anyway have you
looked at the volume of just technical stuff compared to the a reprint of the
entire newsletter? I'd expect you could reduce the number of pages
significantly. If I recall correctly your newsletters had a fair amount of "rich"
content (stories and the like) in addition to the technical. That or
organize by the technical stuff by systems so you don't have to worry about having
the right years printed. Could be as simple as airframe and engine or be
divided into smaller categories. Just food for thought...
Stay well my friend-
Larry
On 8/21/2012 6:59 PM, _N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM_ (mailto:N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM) wrote:
Larry, all the past newsletters are currently on the Arion Lightning web
site. You can read them there or copy each one as desired. The though,
while their web site was having problems, was that it might be useful to have
all of them available "in the hangar" so you could refer to them when
needed. That all..... maybe solving a problem that really doesn't exist.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
In a message dated 8/21/2012 6:21:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
_peteromig(at)gmail.com_ (mailto:peteromig(at)gmail.com) writes:
Can't the Lightning folks just archive your booklet form for folks to
download and get printed on there own? Seems the simple way out that leaves the
info available.
My 2 pence- Thanks for the hard work.
Larry Romig
On 8/21/2012 5:26 PM, _N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM_ (mailto:N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM) wrote:
A week or so ago I sent a message to the group asking if there was any
interest in having published booklets or "hard copies" of all the past
Lightning newsletters. I thought this might be a helpful thing to have based
on
the numerous times I used a similar product on aerobatics when I was
building and flying my Pitts Special. It was always good to have the info
available to refer to in the hangar while I was working on the Pitts or getting
ready to go practice a new sequence.
Several Lightning builders responded that they would like to have this
type of resource available, so I have been working with a printer in NC that I
have worked with before when I needed booklets published in quantity.
Anyway, if we printed all Lightning newsletters from day one (Feb 2008) to the
most current one (Jan/Feb 2012) the project would be well over 1000 pages
and would likely take a total of four booklets or one for 2008, 2009, 2010,
and 2011/2012. Unfortunately, that would be pretty expensive. Likely at
least $150 for all four booklets. It could be more depending on how many
folks order the books.
Based on the above, I'm thinking I will just drop the project as the cost
is quite a bit more than I expected it to be. If you disagree, let me
know.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
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| From: | "Dave Mccorquodale" <corky(at)hbci.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Esqual Stability |
Hi Clive
It is always a pleasure reading your posts. As you know I also have an
Esqual with many changes done. I have purchaced a Lightning cowl a
couple of years ago, I have not cut it down to fit because I to thought
about the longer engine mount. How much did it help moving the engine
forward. I have a top over haul just around the corner and was thinking
of making the change then.. Also was the mount spendy?
When my mount was built it was 2 degrees off so my engine is aiming up 2
degrees of center line. Having an engine inline and weight more forward
would have to help
Keep up the good work
Dave McCorquodale
----- Original Message -----
From: James, Clive R
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 2:30 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Esqual Stability
Hi Luigi, I am good. The weather in the UK has finally improved and
I=99ve been doing some good flying.
Back offshore now in the North sea and hoping the weather will still
have some summer in it when I get back next time.
Mostly the flying was in the Jabiru as the Esqual is still on a test
permit and so cannot go further than 25miles past 3 airfields on the
East side of England (still 60 miles to play in).
The changes I made for the stability were:
New engine mount from Arion that moved the engine forward 18mm (I had
to buy new cowlings but I wanted the Lightning ones for the cooling
anyway).
Nick recommended I tip the front of the tail plane down by
3/16=9D, this was about 3 degrees and I managed to get that
movement by lifting the back.
I fitted a new =98flap type=99 trim tab with electric
servo and removed the bungee trim, this was a Lightning retrofit kit
trim kit though I did make the flap a bit bigger.
During the test flying I limited the flap travel to 22 degrees to help
with the trim on approach (as mentioned in the kit planes article for
the Lighting which was interesting).
It was still too heavy under a FWD C of G so when the evaluation
flying was being done for the LAA it was limited some more.
Now at 16 degrees max flap it is hands off on approach unless it is
solo with low fuel. Minimum stall is still 35 knots
All round much nicer to fly but still very sporty.
The flight test report was done by an independent test pilot but he
was very happy and has sent a positive recommendation.
The flight test was to CS-VLA (you can find that on the net). It was
great fun as I was the =98talking ballast=99 I really saw
what the plane could do.
I am just waiting to get feedback on that report and hope to have a
full PoF soon.
I will send you the report directly.
The picture is the test pilot about to do the solo sortie.
He was mega experienced, graduate of the Empire Test Pilot program,
many years ago now as he is 83.
I hope I can still fly like he does when I=99m that age.
I trust all is well in Italy and you are flying your Esqual regularly
(after you pay your luxury tax to the idiots in charge!).
Best Regards, Clive
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of luigi di
napoli
Sent: 07 August 2012 19:40
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Kitplanes September Issue
Hi Clive,
how are you ?
I read about the Esqual stability and I am curious to know which
improvements the Esqual needs.
Did you calculate a good C&G to improve the phugoid ? And what about
the max flap setting ?
I remember that you, some time ago, sent a mail with something
inherent but forgot it.
Do you have any news ? And what about the PoF for your bird ?
Waiting your news best regards and enjoy your vacation.
Luigi
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-----
Da: "James, Clive R"
A: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Inviato: Marted=C3=AC 7 Agosto 2012 20:05
Oggetto: RE: Lightning-List: Kitplanes September Issue
Still in your debt for the fix on the Esqual !
Permit is getting closer but not yet got my hands on it.
Regards, Clive
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick
Otterback
Sent: 07 August 2012 18:57
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Kitplanes September Issue
Thanks for the kind words. The company is not mine it is Petes. We are
partners along with a few other investors. Pete simply allows me the
freedom to further design as needed.
Thanks
Nick
Sent from my pocket
On Aug 7, 2012, at 11:53 AM, "James, Clive R"
wrote:
Reads well, as someone who has gone through the stability and trim
issues with the Esqual I can appreciate the improvements.
So now the Esqual is Swedish? And you didn=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t
crack a mould off the fuselage? What=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s that
smell? I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2ll bet Francesc is turning is his grave.
Good to see you aren=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t sitting on your hands,
and nice to see Pete gave you the company!
Regards, Clive
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick
Otterback
Sent: 07 August 2012 16:40
To: Lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Lightning-List: Kitplanes September Issue
Here is the article in PDF form for those of you that have not read
it yet.
thanks
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft LLC
R&D Technical Support
931-680-1781
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| From: | luigi di napoli <elledien(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello everybody,=0Aon the Esqual POH I found different instructions about t
he setting of flap for take-off.=0AIf the setting for landing is well descr
ibed from Clive and others, with all the problems arising with the trim, se
tting the flap at full travel, is there any info=0Aconcerning the approxima
te setting for take-off ?=0AThe Esqual manual says "between 20 and 30 degre
es". -I believe this is not right.=0AAny one experienced -different set
ting ? With the behaviour of the plane in this condition.=0AThanks=0ALuigi
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| Subject: | Getting ready for Triple Tree Fly-in 9/5-9/9 |
| From: | "N838BF" <prophotoga(at)gmail.com> |
Here is 838BF after getting new main tires and a bath. Now tucked into her hangar waiting for our first Triple Tree Fly-in together. For those interested Here is the link to the Triple Tree site, 7000' (yes seven THOUSAND feet) by 400' grass runway. http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/triple-tree-fly-in.php
--------
Gene and Janeen Mohr
N838BF (formerly Bill Fisher's Lightning)
Martinez, GA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382386#382386
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/838bf_933.jpg
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| From: | "Greg Hobbs" <hobbs28(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Getting ready for Triple Tree Fly-in 9/5-9/9 |
Gene and Jeaneen, Wow, does this place look great (Triple Tree). Sometime
Greg and I are going to have to fly out there and experience mowed grass.
This has been a long hot summer. Crystal Hobbs
----- Original Message -----
From: "N838BF" <prophotoga(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Getting ready for Triple Tree Fly-in 9/5-9/9
>
> Here is 838BF after getting new main tires and a bath. Now tucked into
> her hangar waiting for our first Triple Tree Fly-in together. For those
> interested Here is the link to the Triple Tree site, 7000' (yes seven
> THOUSAND feet) by 400' grass runway.
> http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/triple-tree-fly-in.php
>
> --------
> Gene and Janeen Mohr
> N838BF (formerly Bill Fisher's Lightning)
> Martinez, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382386#382386
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/838bf_933.jpg
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Flap setting-adjusting max flap travel? |
| From: | "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> |
Hi Luigi, on My Esqual (great big flap model) I use 10 degrees for
take-off, maybe a little less.
A question: Is there a way of limiting the maximum flap travel
electrically? Within the motor unit? Anyone had one apart?
Thanks, Clive
Regards
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of luigi di
napoli
Sent: 04 September 2012 08:11
Subject: Lightning-List: Flap setting
Hello everybody,
on the Esqual POH I found different instructions about the setting of
flap for take-off.
If the setting for landing is well described from Clive and others, with
all the problems arising with the trim, setting the flap at full travel,
is there any info
concerning the approximate setting for take-off ?
The Esqual manual says "between 20 and 30 degrees". I believe this is
not right.
Any one experienced different setting ? With the behaviour of the plane
in this condition.
Thanks
Luigi
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | luigi di napoli <elledien(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flap setting-adjusting max flap travel? |
Thank you , Clive.=0AMore or less the amount I calculate to be correct.=0AY
esterday I checked it and should be 11 degrees.The full travel is around 40
degrees. I believe 20/22 degrees is more than enough to land safely=0AIn c
ase of go-around, with 40 of flap, should be very dangerous to forget the f
lap down (or in case of failure to retract) because the stabilizer may suff
er the shadow of the wing and became inoperative. Situation not very good.
=0AFor the limit of travel, I opened a similar actuator and, inside, there
are two screws which allow to adjust the travel of the motor moving the swi
tches .=0ATomorrow I'll try to find the old actuator and take a picture.=0A
Ciao,=0ALuigi=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A Da: "James, Clive
R" =0AA: lightning-list(at)matronics.com =0AInviato: M
ercoled=EC 5 Settembre 2012 21:47=0AOggetto: RE: Lightning-List: Flap setti
ng-adjusting max flap travel?=0A =0A=0AHi Luigi, on My Esqual (great big fl
ap model) I use 10 degrees for take-off, maybe a little less.=0A-=0AA que
stion: Is there a way of limiting the maximum flap travel electrically? Wit
hin the motor unit? Anyone had one apart?=0AThanks, Clive=0A-=0ARegards
=0A-=0AFrom:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-light
ning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of luigi di napoli=0ASent: 04 Sep
tember 2012 08:11=0ATo: lightning-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Lightning-L
ist: Flap setting=0A-=0AHello everybody,=0Aon the Esqual POH I found diff
erent instructions about the setting of flap for take-off.=0AIf the setting
for landing is well described from Clive and others, with all the problems
arising with the trim, setting the flap at full travel, is there any info
=0Aconcerning the approximate setting for take-off ?=0AThe Esqual manual sa
ys "between 20 and 30 degrees". -I believe this is not right.=0AAny one e
xperienced -different setting ? With the behaviour of the plane in this c
ondition.=0AThanks=0ALuigi=0A-=0A-=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator
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| Subject: | Flap setting-adjusting max flap travel? |
| From: | "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> |
Thanks Luigi, A picture would be great, the rods are very close to the
central beam bracings so I'd like to hold the actuator back a small
amount.
Certainly 38 degrees (I think it was) of flap needs using with care and
knowledge of the implications. Pitch up on go around was horrible and
the stick didn't do much to the pitch.
We must remember the accident with Bruno, was that ever explained by the
investigation?
Regards, Clive
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of luigi di
napoli
Sent: 05 September 2012 21:59
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flap setting-adjusting max flap travel?
Thank you , Clive.
More or less the amount I calculate to be correct.
Yesterday I checked it and should be 11 degrees.The full travel is
around 40 degrees. I believe 20/22 degrees is more than enough to land
safely
In case of go-around, with 40 of flap, should be very dangerous to
forget the flap down (or in case of failure to retract) because the
stabilizer may suffer the shadow of the wing and became inoperative.
Situation not very good.
For the limit of travel, I opened a similar actuator and, inside, there
are two screws which allow to adjust the travel of the motor moving the
switches .
Tomorrow I'll try to find the old actuator and take a picture.
Ciao,
Luigi
________________________________
Da: "James, Clive R"
A: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Inviato: Mercoled=EC 5 Settembre 2012 21:47
Oggetto: RE: Lightning-List: Flap setting-adjusting max flap travel?
Hi Luigi, on My Esqual (great big flap model) I use 10 degrees for
take-off, maybe a little less.
A question: Is there a way of limiting the maximum flap travel
electrically? Within the motor unit? Anyone had one apart?
Thanks, Clive
Regards
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of luigi di
napoli
Sent: 04 September 2012 08:11
Subject: Lightning-List: Flap setting
Hello everybody,
on the Esqual POH I found different instructions about the setting of
flap for take-off.
If the setting for landing is well described from Clive and others, with
all the problems arising with the trim, setting the flap at full travel,
is there any info
concerning the approximate setting for take-off ?
The Esqual manual says "between 20 and 30 degrees". I believe this is
not right.
Any one experienced different setting ? With the behaviour of the plane
in this condition.
Thanks
Luigi
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| From: | luigi di napoli <elledien(at)yahoo.com> |
Ciao Cleve,=0AThe picture of the switch.=0AThe screw allows to adjust the m
otor travel.=0AThe accident with Bruno had no official response.=0AThe comm
on convinction is the flight in a day with a very strong wind (more than 40
Kts). More than one on the airfield advised them against to fly that day.
=0AThe intention to show the handling characteristic of the plane to a poss
ible buyer, at low speed, led the two pilot, both without a great experienc
e, to fly downwind at very low airspeed.=0AThe inexperience of the co-pilot
on that machine, the will to sell the plane , the low height, the sum of a
ll, made the rest.=0ACiao=0ALuigi=0A=0A=0A=0A______________________________
__=0A Da: "James, Clive R" =0AA: lightning-list@matr
onics.com =0AInviato: Gioved=C3=AC 6 Settembre 2012 8:55=0AOggetto: RE: Lig
htning-List: Flap setting-adjusting max flap travel?=0A =0A=0AThanks Luigi,
A picture would be great, the rods are very close to the central beam brac
ings so I=99d like to hold the actuator back a small amount.=0A=C2-
=0ACertainly 38 degrees (I think it was) of flap needs using with care and
knowledge of the implications. Pitch up on go around was horrible and the s
tick didn=99t do much to the pitch.=0AWe must remember the accident w
ith Bruno, was that ever explained by the investigation?=0A=C2-=0ARegards
, Clive=0A=C2-=0AFrom:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:o
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e: Lightning-List: Flap setting-adjusting max flap travel?=0A=C2-=0AThank
you , Clive.=0AMore or less the amount I calculate to be correct.=0AYester
day I checked it and should be 11 degrees.The full travel is around 40 degr
ees. I believe 20/22 degrees is more than enough to land safely=0AIn case o
f go-around, with 40 of flap, should be very dangerous to forget the flap d
own (or in case of failure to retract) because the stabilizer may suffer th
e shadow of the wing and became inoperative. Situation not very good.=0AFor
the limit of travel, I opened a similar actuator and, inside, there are tw
o screws which allow to adjust the travel of the motor moving the switches
.=0ATomorrow I'll try to find the old actuator and take a picture.=0ACiao,
=0ALuigi=0A=C2-=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0ADa:"James, Cli
ve R" =0AA: lightning-list(at)matronics.com =0AInviato:
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big flap model) I use 10 degrees for take-off, maybe a little less.=0A=C2
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ically? Within the motor unit? Anyone had one apart?=0AThanks, Clive=0A=C2
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| Subject: | Esqual Stability |
| From: | "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> |
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| Subject: | All set up for the weekend. |
| From: | Nick Otterback <vettin74(at)yahoo.com> |
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