Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-ap
March 15, 1999 - April 01, 1999
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| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
| Subject: | Re: An 'A' engine |
I'm not sure what you mean about 'leak down test'? Is this an ongoing test
of the compression so that you know about wear?
Greg Yotz
Warren Shoun wrote:
> Bill,
> With good machine shop work, I think that you will have a great
> power plant. Bored, balanced, polished and flow matched, with today's
> fuel and ignition, you should see 70 hp without any stress or strain. I
> have seen one that dynoed out at 106 hp at 2250 rpm! The actual
> compression of the old "A" was often only 4 or 5 to one so that it could
> run on the fuels of the day. If you build in even a 7 or 8 to one and
> maintain it on a leak down test, you will do very well. You may want to
> consider some type of bolt on harmonic balancer, and these old beauties
> will run forever, and their sound is just good for the soul! Good
> luck.
> Warren
>
> Bill Talbert wrote:
>
> > Warren
> >
> > The 8N motor is way to heavy for flight, what I was thinking
> > is using the "A" block bored for sleeves and bushings and
> > getting away from the babbit. As far as the purists, I bet
> > they are not using vintage gas or plugs, so where do you
> > draw the line?. My hope is to do as you suggest, get more
> > power from the ford.
> >
> > thanks for the quick response
> > Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Leak Down Test |
Hi Greg:
This may be my own terminology, although it is used by our on field shop.
It is where you screw in the compression gauge on a warm engine, and rather
than just check the cylinder and go on to the next one, you leave the status as
is for at least 2 min. to see if the compression leaks down. It seems that
really well built and properly broken in engines maintain their compression.
Warren
Greg Yotz wrote:
> I'm not sure what you mean about 'leak down test'? Is this an ongoing test
> of the compression so that you know about wear?
>
> Greg Yotz
>
> Warren Shoun wrote:
>
> > Bill,
> > With good machine shop work, I think that you will have a great
> > power plant. Bored, balanced, polished and flow matched, with today's
> > fuel and ignition, you should see 70 hp without any stress or strain. I
> > have seen one that dynoed out at 106 hp at 2250 rpm! The actual
> > compression of the old "A" was often only 4 or 5 to one so that it could
> > run on the fuels of the day. If you build in even a 7 or 8 to one and
> > maintain it on a leak down test, you will do very well. You may want to
> > consider some type of bolt on harmonic balancer, and these old beauties
> > will run forever, and their sound is just good for the soul! Good
> > luck.
> > Warren
> >
> > Bill Talbert wrote:
> >
> > > Warren
> > >
> > > The 8N motor is way to heavy for flight, what I was thinking
> > > is using the "A" block bored for sleeves and bushings and
> > > getting away from the babbit. As far as the purists, I bet
> > > they are not using vintage gas or plugs, so where do you
> > > draw the line?. My hope is to do as you suggest, get more
> > > power from the ford.
> > >
> > > thanks for the quick response
> > > Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Les Lampman <lblampman(at)bigfoot.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Leak Down Test |
Hi,
In addition to the test mentioned by Warren there is actually a leak-down
test gauge available. I use one in my shop (I repair outboards). It
consists of 2 identical pressure gauges mounted together. One end of the
gauge unit is connected to an air source, the other screws into the spark
plug hole just like the compression gauge. On my unit there is a knob on
the inlet side that allows me to regulate the air pressure. You set the
piston on your test cylinder to top-dead-center. Then open the inlet valve
to 10 PSI (or whatever the gauge instructions say) below your compressor's
rating (I use 100 psi). The left gauge shows the inlet pressure, the right
gauge shows the pressure in the cylinder. If the right gauge starts
dropping you've got a problem. Because you're supplying air under pressure
you can usually hear where the air is bleeding. Out of the exhaust pipe or
outlet would be the valves (at least the exhaust) or out of the crankcase
(by listening at the oil fill) would indicate the rings. I think most auto
parts stores have the gauges and they aren't super expensive (I think mine
was around $60).
Best Regards,
Les
-----Original Message-----
Shoun
Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 10:21 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Leak Down Test
Hi Greg:
This may be my own terminology, although it is used by our on field
shop.
It is where you screw in the compression gauge on a warm engine, and rather
than just check the cylinder and go on to the next one, you leave the status
as
is for at least 2 min. to see if the compression leaks down. It seems that
really well built and properly broken in engines maintain their compression.
Warren
Greg Yotz wrote:
> I'm not sure what you mean about 'leak down test'? Is this an ongoing
test
> of the compression so that you know about wear?
>
> Greg Yotz
>
> Warren Shoun wrote:
>
> > Bill,
> > With good machine shop work, I think that you will have a great
> > power plant. Bored, balanced, polished and flow matched, with today's
> > fuel and ignition, you should see 70 hp without any stress or strain. I
> > have seen one that dynoed out at 106 hp at 2250 rpm! The actual
> > compression of the old "A" was often only 4 or 5 to one so that it could
> > run on the fuels of the day. If you build in even a 7 or 8 to one and
> > maintain it on a leak down test, you will do very well. You may want to
> > consider some type of bolt on harmonic balancer, and these old beauties
> > will run forever, and their sound is just good for the soul! Good
> > luck.
> > Warren
> >
> > Bill Talbert wrote:
> >
> > > Warren
> > >
> > > The 8N motor is way to heavy for flight, what I was thinking
> > > is using the "A" block bored for sleeves and bushings and
> > > getting away from the babbit. As far as the purists, I bet
> > > they are not using vintage gas or plugs, so where do you
> > > draw the line?. My hope is to do as you suggest, get more
> > > power from the ford.
> > >
> > > thanks for the quick response
> > > Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Leak Down Test |
Hi Les,
Thanks for the added info. This is what I really like about this diversified
group---some new and useful info on a regular basis.
Warren
Les Lampman wrote:
> Hi,
>
> In addition to the test mentioned by Warren there is actually a leak-down
> test gauge available. I use one in my shop (I repair outboards). It
> consists of 2 identical pressure gauges mounted together. One end of the
> gauge unit is connected to an air source, the other screws into the spark
> plug hole just like the compression gauge. On my unit there is a knob on
> the inlet side that allows me to regulate the air pressure. You set the
> piston on your test cylinder to top-dead-center. Then open the inlet valve
> to 10 PSI (or whatever the gauge instructions say) below your compressor's
> rating (I use 100 psi). The left gauge shows the inlet pressure, the right
> gauge shows the pressure in the cylinder. If the right gauge starts
> dropping you've got a problem. Because you're supplying air under pressure
> you can usually hear where the air is bleeding. Out of the exhaust pipe or
> outlet would be the valves (at least the exhaust) or out of the crankcase
> (by listening at the oil fill) would indicate the rings. I think most auto
> parts stores have the gauges and they aren't super expensive (I think mine
> was around $60).
>
> Best Regards,
> Les
>
> -----.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Leak Down Test |
That makes perfect sense. Very much like my gauges for auto A/C. When I get to
the engine rebuilding phase...(a little farther down the line..) I'll understand
how to check compression better.
I'm trying to add to my 'A' knowledge more and more. I know a few have discussed
the use of a 'A' off of a combine but I never did hear if anyone has used one for
a
Piet. I bring this up because I think I've found two but I haven't gone and looked
at them yet. I wanted to know if I was wasting my time.
Greg Yotz
Warren Shoun wrote:
> Hi Greg:
> This may be my own terminology, although it is used by our on field shop.
> It is where you screw in the compression gauge on a warm engine, and rather
> than just check the cylinder and go on to the next one, you leave the status
as
> is for at least 2 min. to see if the compression leaks down. It seems that
> really well built and properly broken in engines maintain their compression.
> Warren
>
> Greg Yotz wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure what you mean about 'leak down test'? Is this an ongoing test
> > of the compression so that you know about wear?
> >
> > Greg Yotz
> >
> > Warren Shoun wrote:
> >
> > > Bill,
> > > With good machine shop work, I think that you will have a great
> > > power plant. Bored, balanced, polished and flow matched, with today's
> > > fuel and ignition, you should see 70 hp without any stress or strain. I
> > > have seen one that dynoed out at 106 hp at 2250 rpm! The actual
> > > compression of the old "A" was often only 4 or 5 to one so that it could
> > > run on the fuels of the day. If you build in even a 7 or 8 to one and
> > > maintain it on a leak down test, you will do very well. You may want to
> > > consider some type of bolt on harmonic balancer, and these old beauties
> > > will run forever, and their sound is just good for the soul! Good
> > > luck.
> > > Warren
> > >
> > > Bill Talbert wrote:
> > >
> > > > Warren
> > > >
> > > > The 8N motor is way to heavy for flight, what I was thinking
> > > > is using the "A" block bored for sleeves and bushings and
> > > > getting away from the babbit. As far as the purists, I bet
> > > > they are not using vintage gas or plugs, so where do you
> > > > draw the line?. My hope is to do as you suggest, get more
> > > > power from the ford.
> > > >
> > > > thanks for the quick response
> > > > Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Sayre, William G" <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com> |
One thing you could find off a combine engine is a magneto that fits in the distributor
hole! I had two of these made up by the Vertex company that made them
in the 1930s.
Bill Sayre
> ----------
> From: Greg Yotz[SMTP:gyachts(at)kans.com]
> Reply To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 11:40 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Leak Down Test
>
> That makes perfect sense. Very much like my gauges for auto A/C. When I get
to
> the engine rebuilding phase...(a little farther down the line..) I'll understand
> how to check compression better.
> I'm trying to add to my 'A' knowledge more and more. I know a few have discussed
> the use of a 'A' off of a combine but I never did hear if anyone has used one
for a
> Piet. I bring this up because I think I've found two but I haven't gone and
looked
> at them yet. I wanted to know if I was wasting my time.
>
>
> Greg Yotz
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | More on the Hats (not Hatz) |
Thanks to those who have responded.=A0 This is getting exciting!=A0 I=
t looks
like there is sufficient interest to get an initial order of hats mad=
e.=A0 I
have learned a lot about making hats in recently!=A0=A0 I wanted a co=
mfortable
top of the line hat with high quality embroidery.=A0 Something that w=
ould
first class enough to match Mike Cuy's Piet!=A0 1
=A0
=A0
So here is the specs and pricing:
=A0
The Hat:
Heavy Stone Washed Denim low crown unconstructed
buckle back adjustment.=A0 Color is khaki with a dark green bill.
One size fits all.=A0 Basically I got my favorite hat and called the
manufacture
and spec'd it from it.=A0 You will love it.=A0 It is crushable and co=
mfortable.
=A0
The Image:
I had to change the image a little to get it to look good and readabl=
e
in stitches.=A0 -This is=A0 kind of an art of its own!-=A0 Check the
web site
if you want to see the revised image. http://steve.byu.edu
=A0
The embroidery:
13000 stitches of the finest thread..=A0 I will probably go with a tw=
o tone
green color pattern, I put a picture on the web when I get a proof ba=
ck.=A0
We have the option of adding the text "Low and Slow for 70 Years" on
the
back
for an additional $3.=A0 I also worked an option for you to specify y=
our own
text up to
25 Characters for $5 i.e.: (Steve Eldredge NX7229R)
=A0
The price
=A0
$15=A0 Front Logo Only w/o Low and Slow message.
$18 with rear message "Low and Slow for 70 Years."
$20 your own message i.e.: (Steve Eldredge NX7229R)
=A0
$2 per order (not per hat) for first class shipping .
=A0
As soon as I get checks from those who have indicated interest I'll p=
lace
the order
after that it will be two weeks.=A0 So I hope to have them to you in
a month.=A0
=A0
Send your check with a note including details and your Phone # to:
=A0
Steve Eldredge
1005 E. 620 N.
Provo UT, 84606
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Combine engine |
Good point! I hadn't thought of that. What other components might be useful?
Anybody have any ideas. I guess the mags alone will be reason enough to go look.
Greg Yotz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Leak Down Test |
I had always heard this refered to as a differential pressure test. The
"leak-down" test that I'm familiar is described in the Cont. O/H manual
and is performed with Continentals, as well as other engines with
hydraulic lifters, to measure the amount of leakage in the lifter itself.
Ken
On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Warren Shoun wrote:
> Hi Greg:
> This may be my own terminology, although it is used by our on field
> shop. It is where you screw in the compression gauge on a warm engine,
> and rather than just check the cylinder and go on to the next one, you
> leave the status as is for at least 2 min. to see if the compression
> leaks down. It seems that really well built and properly broken in
> engines maintain their compression. Warren
>
> Greg Yotz wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure what you mean about 'leak down test'? Is this an ongoing test
> > of the compression so that you know about wear?
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Combine engine |
Bill!
The Model A magneto I got was made by WICO -- I know the 2 cylinder
version has been sparking John Deere tractors for a lot of years! (& a few
1/2 VW engines! ;-)
Mike Conkling
Pretty Prairie, KS
> From: Sayre, William G <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Combine engine
> Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 1:48 PM
>
> One thing you could find off a combine engine is a magneto that fits in
the distributor hole! I had two of these made up by the Vertex company
that made them in the 1930s.
>
> Bill Sayre
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | duprey(at)excite.com |
| Subject: | Re: More on the Hats (not Hatz) |
Steve: Logo looks great! Thanks for all the work you have put into this. My
check will be in the mail this week.
John Duprey
> Thanks to those who have responded.=A0 This is getting exciting!=A0 I=
> t looks
> like there is sufficient interest to get an initial order of hats mad=
> e.=A0 I
> have learned a lot about making hats in recently!=A0=A0 I wanted a co=
> mfortable
> top of the line hat with high quality embroidery.=A0 Something that w=
> ould
> first class enough to match Mike Cuy's Piet!=A0 1
>
>
> So here is the specs and pricing:
>
> The Hat:
> Heavy Stone Washed Denim low crown unconstructed
> buckle back adjustment.=A0 Color is khaki with a dark green bill.
> One size fits all.=A0 Basically I got my favorite hat and called the
> manufacture
> and spec'd it from it.=A0 You will love it.=A0 It is crushable and co=
> mfortable.
>
> The Image:
> I had to change the image a little to get it to look good and readabl=
> e
> in stitches.=A0 -This is=A0 kind of an art of its own!-=A0 Check the
> web site
> if you want to see the revised image. http://steve.byu.edu
>
> The embroidery:
> 13000 stitches of the finest thread..=A0 I will probably go with a tw=
> green color pattern, I put a picture on the web when I get a proof ba=
> ck.=A0
> We have the option of adding the text "Low and Slow for 70 Years" on
> the
> back
> for an additional $3.=A0 I also worked an option for you to specify y=
> our own
> text up to
> 25 Characters for $5 i.e.: (Steve Eldredge NX7229R)
>
> The price
>
> $15=A0 Front Logo Only w/o Low and Slow message.
> $18 with rear message "Low and Slow for 70 Years."
> $20 your own message i.e.: (Steve Eldredge NX7229R)
>
> $2 per order (not per hat) for first class shipping .
>
> As soon as I get checks from those who have indicated interest I'll p=
> lace
> the order
> after that it will be two weeks.=A0 So I hope to have them to you in
> a month.=A0
>
> Send your check with a note including details and your Phone # to:
>
> Steve Eldredge
> 1005 E. 620 N.
> Provo UT, 84606
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Sayre, William G" <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Combine engine |
You're right. I happened upon a worker at Vertex that remembered making mags for
model-As and said he could built a couple for me (a friend and myself have
joined forces to build two Piets). One thing I forgot to mention to Greg Yotz
is that it may be necessary to have the spark advance changed. I'm not sure
what a combine used. [hope you read this Greg]
Bill Sayre
> ----------
> From: Michael Conkling[SMTP:hpvs(at)southwind.net]
> Reply To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 7:18 PM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Combine engine
>
> Bill!
>
> The Model A magneto I got was made by WICO -- I know the 2 cylinder
> version has been sparking John Deere tractors for a lot of years! (& a few
> 1/2 VW engines! ;-)
>
> Mike Conkling
> Pretty Prairie, KS
> ----------
> > From: Sayre, William G <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com>
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: Combine engine
> > Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 1:48 PM
> >
> > One thing you could find off a combine engine is a magneto that fits in
> the distributor hole! I had two of these made up by the Vertex company
> that made them in the 1930s.
> >
> > Bill Sayre
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Les Lampman <lblampman(at)bigfoot.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Leak Down Test |
Hi Ken,
Probably lots of names for the same beast running around. I walked into the
auto supply place and asked for a leak-down tester and they handed me the
contraption I described. Which was actually what I wanted for once! I
think the main thing is to know what you're testing for ... that is, if
you're wanting to test the valves and rings beyond the simple compression
test get the unit I described; whether it's a differential pressure tester
or a leak-down tester. Tell the folks at your tool supply place what you
want to accomplish and see what they call the thing :) .
Cheers,
Les
-----Original Message-----
Beanlands
Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 4:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Leak Down Test
I had always heard this refered to as a differential pressure test. The
"leak-down" test that I'm familiar is described in the Cont. O/H manual
and is performed with Continentals, as well as other engines with
hydraulic lifters, to measure the amount of leakage in the lifter itself.
Ken
On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Warren Shoun wrote:
> Hi Greg:
> This may be my own terminology, although it is used by our on field
> shop. It is where you screw in the compression gauge on a warm engine,
> and rather than just check the cylinder and go on to the next one, you
> leave the status as is for at least 2 min. to see if the compression
> leaks down. It seems that really well built and properly broken in
> engines maintain their compression. Warren
>
> Greg Yotz wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure what you mean about 'leak down test'? Is this an ongoing
test
> > of the compression so that you know about wear?
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Combine engine |
Yes, I got that. I had talked to a gentlemen who use to work on them and he had
said the same thing. He also said that the intake and exhaust hardware would
be usless.
GY
Sayre, William G wrote:
> You're right. I happened upon a worker at Vertex that remembered making mags
for model-As and said he could built a couple for me (a friend and myself have
joined forces to build two Piets). One thing I forgot to mention to Greg Yotz
is that it may be necessary to have the spark advance changed. I'm not sure
what a combine used. [hope you read this Greg]
>
> Bill Sayre
> > ----------
> > From: Michael Conkling[SMTP:hpvs(at)southwind.net]
> > Reply To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 7:18 PM
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: Re: Combine engine
> >
> > Bill!
> >
> > The Model A magneto I got was made by WICO -- I know the 2 cylinder
> > version has been sparking John Deere tractors for a lot of years! (& a few
> > 1/2 VW engines! ;-)
> >
> > Mike Conkling
> > Pretty Prairie, KS
> > ----------
> > > From: Sayre, William G <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com>
> > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > > Subject: Combine engine
> > > Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 1:48 PM
> > >
> > > One thing you could find off a combine engine is a magneto that fits in
> > the distributor hole! I had two of these made up by the Vertex company
> > that made them in the 1930s.
> > >
> > > Bill Sayre
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | The check is in the mail! |
My wife sent the check today. $1578 to Western Aircraft
Supplies for all of the spruce. Now I have to put in a
quick plywood order, buy some T88 and get my rib jig put
together.
Oh yeah, plus clean the workbench, replace the bathroom
vanity, and build a cabinet for the TV. SWMBO doesn't
always share my sense of priorities.
Dave
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craig & Shari Hanson <chanson(at)polarcomm.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The check is in the mail! |
Dave,
Remember!!! You must keep her happy. She will be your navigator some
day!!!!
Craig
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: The check is in the mail! |
> Remember!!! You must keep her happy. She will be your navigator some
>day!!!!
Craig,
She has assured me that she will NEVER get into a small plane. She
is not too thrilled that both of the kids (5 and 9) think that this
is a great idea.
I guess that the kids will have to learn to read a map :-).
Dave
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
| Subject: | Re: The check is in the mail! |
>Dave,
> Remember!!! You must keep her happy. She will be your navigator some
>day!!!!
>
>Craig
Or maybe she can allow you to take that "Beautyfull Girl" from the bank as a
navigator ;-) ;-) ;-) :-) :-)
Congratulations for beguining...
Saludos
Gary Gower
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
| Subject: | Re: Leak Down Test |
It all a matter of semantics guys. The differential pressure test or as we
call it in the heavy Diesel trade cylinder leakage test will help you to
decide where the leakage is. We usually use regulated air supply set at 100
psi and then it is an easy mental calculation to come up with a percentage
for leakage. No cylinders are going to seal at 100%. You may also find that
the results will change depending on when the engine was run last and if it
was working or just idling. The point is that you can only use these test
for comparitve purposes. The real test comes in how much power the engine
will produce. If you perform the tests regularly and establish a base for
your engine then you will be able to monitor change. I'll bet that you will
notice any changes by the way the engine performs before you discover them
by testing.
The shop that does the annual on the PA12 I sometimes fly told us it needed
a major 5 yrs ago. His assement was based on his differential pressure test
results. The aircrafts owner and I couldn't see that as we both knew the
engine was performing well when we last flew it. Sure enough when we pulled
it through by hand the cylinders felt soft.(the engine had not been run for
several weeks) We flew a couple of circuits and retested the engine it
passed on all cylinders. The point is that many things can vary test
results.
John Mc
-----Original Message-----
From: Les Lampman <lblampman(at)bigfoot.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 7:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Leak Down Test
>Hi Ken,
>
>Probably lots of names for the same beast running around. I walked into
the
>auto supply place and asked for a leak-down tester and they handed me the
>contraption I described. Which was actually what I wanted for once! I
>think the main thing is to know what you're testing for ... that is, if
>you're wanting to test the valves and rings beyond the simple compression
>test get the unit I described; whether it's a differential pressure tester
>or a leak-down tester. Tell the folks at your tool supply place what you
>want to accomplish and see what they call the thing :) .
>
>Cheers,
>Les
>
>-----Original Message-----
>Beanlands
>Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 4:07 PM
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Re: Leak Down Test
>
>I had always heard this refered to as a differential pressure test. The
>"leak-down" test that I'm familiar is described in the Cont. O/H manual
>and is performed with Continentals, as well as other engines with
>hydraulic lifters, to measure the amount of leakage in the lifter itself.
>
>Ken
>
>On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Warren Shoun wrote:
>
>> Hi Greg:
>> This may be my own terminology, although it is used by our on field
>> shop. It is where you screw in the compression gauge on a warm engine,
>> and rather than just check the cylinder and go on to the next one, you
>> leave the status as is for at least 2 min. to see if the compression
>> leaks down. It seems that really well built and properly broken in
>> engines maintain their compression. Warren
>>
>> Greg Yotz wrote:
>>
>> > I'm not sure what you mean about 'leak down test'? Is this an ongoing
>test
>> > of the compression so that you know about wear?
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
| Subject: | Re: The check is in the mail! |
That front 'pit is one of the best classroom / labratory the kids will ever
experience. Geography, meterology, physics, math.... the list is endless.
John Mc
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 5:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The check is in the mail!
>> Remember!!! You must keep her happy. She will be your navigator some
>>day!!!!
>
>Craig,
>
>She has assured me that she will NEVER get into a small plane. She
>is not too thrilled that both of the kids (5 and 9) think that this
>is a great idea.
>
>I guess that the kids will have to learn to read a map :-).
>
>Dave
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: The check is in the mail! |
>That front 'pit is one of the best classroom / labratory the kids will ever
>experience. Geography, meterology, physics, math.... the list is endless.
>
I think that is an interesting comment. Anybody got a story of taking up a
kid and having them come down with a new understanding of something (Good to
have these kinds of stories to share with my wife when she doubts the value
of the project)?
Brent Reed
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mboynton(at)excite.com |
| Subject: | Re: The check is in the mail! |
Hi Brent:
My story is more earth-bound. My two youngest daughters (eleven and seven)
are helping me get started in building my Piet. They now have as part of
their vocabularies, words like cap strip, chuck key, strut, brace, gusset,
and they now actually know that a wood screw is not made of wood! Last
October, we three played hooky and spent a Friday at the EAA Copperstate
Fly-in, where they joined the Young Eagles program and took their first
flight in a small aircraft (Piper Cherokee). When they landed, they were
all smiles and eyes like saucers. We can't wait till next year and in the
mean time, I come home every day from work and answer the same question from
both of them, "Are we going to work on the plane tonight?" I'm sure they
are informally learning some of the science, and we get to spend good time
together. No complaints from my wife, so far.
Mark Boynton
Phoenix, AZ
> >That front 'pit is one of the best classroom / labratory the kids will
ever
> >experience. Geography, meterology, physics, math.... the list is
endless.
> >
> I think that is an interesting comment. Anybody got a story of taking up
a
> kid and having them come down with a new understanding of something (Good
to
> have these kinds of stories to share with my wife when she doubts the
value
> of the project)?
>
> Brent Reed
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: The check is in the mail! |
>>That front 'pit is one of the best classroom / labratory the kids will ever
>>experience.
> (Good to
>have these kinds of stories to share with my wife when she doubts the value
>of the project)?
>
>Brent Reed
>
John and Brent are right on !! Did you ever think that giving a ride to
a youth might spark him or her onto a corprate or airline job paying upwards
of 100- 130,000 $ per year not to mention the FREE passes Mom and Dad
can use to go to Hawaii or Aruba someday ??
Mike C.
That front 'pit is one of the best classroom / labratory the kids
will ever
experience.
(Good to
have these kinds of stories to share with my wife when she doubts the
value
of the project)?
Brent Reed
John and Brent are right on !! Did you ever
think that giving a ride to
a youth might spark him or her onto a corprate or airline job paying
upwards
of 100- 130,000 $ per year not to mention the FREE passes Mom and
Dad
can use to go to Hawaii or Aruba someday ??
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: The check is in the mail! |
My son is only 2 now, but I for one am REALLY looking forward to
hearing him say "Are we goin to work on the plane tonight, dad?" :)
---mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
>
> Hi Brent:
>
> My story is more earth-bound. My two youngest daughters (eleven and
seven)
> are helping me get started in building my Piet. They now have as
part of
> their vocabularies, words like cap strip, chuck key, strut, brace,
gusset,
> and they now actually know that a wood screw is not made of wood!
Last
> October, we three played hooky and spent a Friday at the EAA
Copperstate
> Fly-in, where they joined the Young Eagles program and took their
first
> flight in a small aircraft (Piper Cherokee). When they landed, they
were
> all smiles and eyes like saucers. We can't wait till next year and
in the
> mean time, I come home every day from work and answer the same
question from
> both of them, "Are we going to work on the plane tonight?" I'm sure
they
> are informally learning some of the science, and we get to spend
good time
> together. No complaints from my wife, so far.
>
> Mark Boynton
> Phoenix, AZ
>
>
> > >That front 'pit is one of the best classroom / labratory the kids
will
> ever
> > >experience. Geography, meterology, physics, math.... the list is
> endless.
> > >
> > I think that is an interesting comment. Anybody got a story of
taking up
> a
> > kid and having them come down with a new understanding of
something (Good
> to
> > have these kinds of stories to share with my wife when she doubts
the
> value
> > of the project)?
> >
> > Brent Reed
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________
>
==
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"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Joe & Marian Beck <flyretina(at)feist.com> |
Steve:
I mistakenly deleted the info on where to send cap $$. Please re-post
instructions and I'll zip off a check for three. Thanks again for your
kind efforts.
We should be flying sometime in '99. Can't wait!
CJ Beck
Wichita, KS
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Fw: The check is in the mail! |
ISN'T THIS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT?
-----Original Message-----
From: mboynton(at)excite.com <mboynton(at)excite.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 9:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The check is in the mail!
>Hi Brent:
>
>My story is more earth-bound. My two youngest daughters (eleven and seven)
>are helping me get started in building my Piet. They now have as part of
>their vocabularies, words like cap strip, chuck key, strut, brace, gusset,
>and they now actually know that a wood screw is not made of wood! Last
>October, we three played hooky and spent a Friday at the EAA Copperstate
>Fly-in, where they joined the Young Eagles program and took their first
>flight in a small aircraft (Piper Cherokee). When they landed, they were
>all smiles and eyes like saucers. We can't wait till next year and in the
>mean time, I come home every day from work and answer the same question
from
>both of them, "Are we going to work on the plane tonight?" I'm sure they
>are informally learning some of the science, and we get to spend good time
>together. No complaints from my wife, so far.
>
>Mark Boynton
>Phoenix, AZ
>
>
>> >That front 'pit is one of the best classroom / labratory the kids will
>ever
>> >experience. Geography, meterology, physics, math.... the list is
>endless.
>> >
>> I think that is an interesting comment. Anybody got a story of taking up
>a
>> kid and having them come down with a new understanding of something (Good
>to
>> have these kinds of stories to share with my wife when she doubts the
>value
>> of the project)?
>>
>> Brent Reed
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: The check is in the mail! |
Civil Air Patrol and Aviation Exploring, not forgetting Young Eagles, all have
"first flight" programs for young people, and they ALL have stories of wonder
and enjoyment. Forty-six years ago I took my first ride, as a young CAP
Cadet. Been hooked ever since. Been making a (good) living in aviation for
forty-four. Like the saying goes, there MUST be money in aviation...I've put
quite a bit there myself!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: More on the Hats (not Hatz) |
Here is the info again.
-----Original Message-----
f
steve(at)byu.edu
Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 2:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: More on the Hats (not Hatz)
Thanks to those who have responded.=A0 This is getting exciting!=A0 I=
t looks
like there is sufficient interest to get an initial order of hats mad=
e.=A0 I
have learned a lot about making hats in recently!=A0=A0 I wanted a co=
mfortable
top of the line hat with high quality embroidery.=A0 Something that w=
ould
first class enough to match Mike Cuy's Piet!=A0 1
=A0
=A0
So here is the specs and pricing:
=A0
The Hat:
Heavy Stone Washed Denim low crown unconstructed
buckle back adjustment.=A0 Color is khaki with a dark green bill.
One size fits all.=A0 Basically I got my favorite hat and called the
manufacture
and spec'd it from it.=A0 You will love it.=A0 It is crushable and co=
mfortable.
=A0
The Image:
I had to change the image a little to get it to look good and readabl=
e
in stitches.=A0 -This is=A0 kind of an art of its own!-=A0 Check the
web site
if you want to see the revised image. http://steve.byu.edu
=A0
The embroidery:
13000 stitches of the finest thread..=A0 I will probably go with a tw=
o tone
green color pattern, I put a picture on the web when I get a proof ba=
ck.=A0
We have the option of adding the text "Low and Slow for 70 Years" on
the
back
for an additional $3.=A0 I also worked an option for you to specify y=
our own
text up to
25 Characters for $5 i.e.: (Steve Eldredge NX7229R)
=A0
The price
=A0
$15=A0 Front Logo Only w/o Low and Slow message.
$18 with rear message "Low and Slow for 70 Years."
$20 your own message i.e.: (Steve Eldredge NX7229R)
=A0
$2 per order (not per hat) for first class shipping .
=A0
As soon as I get checks from those who have indicated interest I'll p=
lace
the order
after that it will be two weeks.=A0 So I hope to have them to you in
a month.=A0
=A0
Send your check with a note including details and your Phone # to:
=A0
Steve Eldredge
1005 E. 620 N.
Provo UT, 84606
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
>
>>
>> Thanks to those who have responded. This is getting exciting! It looks
>> like there is sufficient interest to get an initial order of hats made. I
>> have learned a lot about making hats in recently! I wanted a comfortable
>> top of the line hat with high quality embroidery. Something that would
>> first class enough to match Mike Cuy's Piet!
>
Steve- By gosh, thank's for the nice words ! The old girl has 100 hours on
her
now so she's not quite as clean as when the FAA boys were out to inspect
her ! You know the sad part- The white hat I got for flying into Brodhead
last
summer got sucked right off my head while doing a turn over a friends house.
I was wearing it backwards. I watched it till it hit a group of woods and fell
between some 60 foot trees. I went on foot the next day with the permission
of
the land owner and after being bitten by about 50 mosquitoes I gave up.
Nature swallowed my precious white hat !! Looks like I'll be looking for a
new hat soon !!!
Mike C.
>
>>
>>
>> So here is the specs and pricing:
>>
>> The Hat:
>> Heavy Stone Washed Denim low crown unconstructed
>> buckle back adjustment. Color is khaki with a dark green bill.
>> One size fits all. Basically I got my favorite hat and called the
>> manufacture
>> and spec'd it from it. You will love it. It is crushable and comfortable.
>>
>> The Image:
>> I had to change the image a little to get it to look good and readable
>> in stitches. -This is kind of an art of its own!- Check the web site
>> if you want to see the revised image.
>> <http://steve.byu.edu>http://steve.byu.edu
>>
>> The embroidery:
>> 13000 stitches of the finest thread.. I will probably go with a two tone
>> green color pattern, I put a picture on the web when I get a proof back.
>> We have the option of adding the text "Low and Slow for 70 Years" on the
>> back
>> for an additional $3. I also worked an option for you to specify your own
>> text up to
>> 25 Characters for $5 i.e.: (Steve Eldredge NX7229R)
>>
>> The price
>>
>> $15 Front Logo Only w/o Low and Slow message.
>> $18 with rear message "Low and Slow for 70 Years."
>> $20 your own message i.e.: (Steve Eldredge NX7229R)
>>
>> $2 per order (not per hat) for first class shipping .
>>
>> As soon as I get checks from those who have indicated interest I'll place
>> the order
>> after that it will be two weeks. So I hope to have them to you in a month.
>>
>> Send your check with a note including details and your Phone # to:
>>
>> Steve Eldredge
>> 1005 E. 620 N.
>> Provo UT, 84606
>
>
Thanks to those who have responded. This is getting
exciting! It looks like there is sufficient interest to get an
initial order of hats made. I have learned a lot about making hats
in recently! I wanted a comfortable top of the line hat with
high quality embroidery. Something that would first class enough to
match Mike Cuy's Piet!
Steve- By gosh, thank's for the nice words ! The old
girl has 100 hours on her
now so she's not quite as clean as when the FAA boys were out to
inspect
her ! You know the sad part- The white hat I got for
flying into Brodhead last
summer got sucked right off my head while doing a turn over a friends
house.
I was wearing it backwards. I watched it till it hit a group of
woods and fell
between some 60 foot trees. I went on foot the next day with
the permission of
the land owner and after being bitten by about 50 mosquitoes I gave
up.
Nature swallowed my precious white hat !! Looks like
I'll be looking for a
new hat soon !!!
Mike C.
So here is the specs and pricing:
The Hat:
Heavy Stone Washed Denim low crown unconstructed
buckle back adjustment. Color is khaki with a dark green
bill.
One size fits all. Basically I got my favorite hat and called
the manufacture
and spec'd it from it. You will love it. It is crushable
and comfortable.
The Image:
I had to change the image a little to get it to look good and
readable
in stitches. -This is kind of an art of its own!-
Check the web site
if you want to see the revised image.
http://steve.byu.edu
The embroidery:
13000 stitches of the finest thread.. I will probably go with a
two tone
green color pattern, I put a picture on the web when I get a proof
back.
We have the option of adding the text Low and Slow for 70
Years on the back
for an additional $3. I also worked an option for you to
specify your own text up to
25 Characters for $5 i.e.: (Steve Eldredge NX7229R)
The price
$15 Front Logo Only w/o Low and Slow message.
$18 with rear message Low and Slow for 70 Years.
$20 your own message i.e.: (Steve Eldredge NX7229R)
$2 per order (not per hat) for first class shipping .
As soon as I get checks from those who have indicated interest I'll
place the order
after that it will be two weeks. So I hope to have them to you
in a month.
Send your check with a note including details and your Phone #
to:
Steve Eldredge
1005 E. 620 N.
Provo UT, 84606
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Smith, Randy" <RSmith2(at)reedtool.com> |
| Subject: | RE: The check is in the mail! |
The way I heard it was "you can make a small fortune in aviation...if you
start with a big fortune!"
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 12:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The check is in the mail!
Civil Air Patrol and Aviation Exploring, not forgetting Young Eagles, all
have
"first flight" programs for young people, and they ALL have stories of
wonder
and enjoyment. Forty-six years ago I took my first ride, as a young CAP
Cadet. Been hooked ever since. Been making a (good) living in aviation for
forty-four. Like the saying goes, there MUST be money in aviation...I've
put
quite a bit there myself!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
Piet Fleet to AirVenture '99
of the
their
-- 1999
AirVenture '99 --
evening
Hartford,
masse"
checked
information is
site. If
it, but
choice.
departing
daily
Hartford,
Oshkosh will
park their
arch'
arriving
in late July.
If the
weather
near the
miles from
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC" |
I started building when my first daughter was seven. Her interesest was such
that she joined the Royal Canadian Air Cadets. She is now 17 and has her
glider's licence. She is currently working on her Private Licence and is
hoping for a carreer in Aviation, be it the Military or Commercial. She
Landed a Pietenpol (Jim Armstrong's of Brussels Ont. fame) by being talked
down with no help from Jim when she was 12. She did this even before I did.
Today she went to the Dehavilland Aircraft Company for a tour and
introduction to their flight simulator arranged by the cadet squadron. Her
instructor (read mentor) invited her on a regular sceduled flight (a bank
run) in the north. She was able to sit in the left seat of a Cessna Caravan
and perform most of the flight duties except radio and log the hours since
her pilot in command was a certified flight instructor.
I now have another daughter that is seven and is also showing signs of
being bitten by aviation. She can't wait untill all the testing is done on
my bird so she can get in the air. Whilst I was building she was always
beside me wanting to help,and certainly was helpful with the refreshments. I
certainly hope all this effort pays off for my daughters.
two weeks to count down,
Domenic (C-GDCB)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Gotta go flyin.. |
Clear, calm and 70 in Provo,=A0 Gotta get this plane back in the air!
=A0
Steve Eldredge
Steve(at)byu.edu
IT Services
Brigham Young University
=A0
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craig & Shari Hanson <chanson(at)polarcomm.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Gotta go flyin.. |
Steve E. wrote:
Clear, calm and 70 in Provo, Gotta get this plane back in the air!
I say: Windy, Snowing, and 23 in North Dakota. I'd Love to get back into
the air.
Craig
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | michael list <mclist(at)ptw.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Gotta go flyin.. |
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
>
> Clear, calm and 70 in Provo, Gotta get this plane back in the air!
>
> Steve Eldredge
> Steve(at)byu.edu
> IT Services
> Brigham Young University
>
Steve,
Know how you feel. No Piet to fly here, but the garage was up to 60+
degrees today for the first time in months! Time to get back to the
tail feathers!
And I made my travel arrangements yesterday to attend Brodhead! Some
days life is good.
Mike L.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Wayne and Kathy <ktokarz(at)incentre.net> |
Is any one from western Canada planing to go to oshkosh ? It would be
great to be able to find someone to formate with. If not I still plan on
going alone.
Wayne Tokarz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "D.J.H." <ve6zh(at)cnnet.com> |
What part of Western Canada are you from?I'am in central Alberta.
Doug..
> From: Wayne and Kathy <ktokarz(at)incentre.net>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: oshkosh
> Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 10:09 PM
>
> Is any one from western Canada planing to go to oshkosh ? It would be
> great to be able to find someone to formate with. If not I still plan on
> going alone.
> Wayne Tokarz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Wayne and Kathy <ktokarz(at)incentre.net> |
D.J.H. wrote:
>
> What part of Western Canada are you from?I'am in central Alberta.
> Doug..
>
> ----------
> > From: Wayne and Kathy <ktokarz(at)incentre.net>
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: oshkosh
> > Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 10:09 PM
> >
> > Is any one from western Canada planing to go to oshkosh ? It would be
> > great to be able to find someone to formate with. If not I still plan on
> > going alone.
> > Wayne Tokarz
I'm from Cold Lake and currantly own CF-VUU.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
Hi Wayne
By Ground or air? I am in western Manitoba and am hoping to make it to
Brodhead. Last time was in '96 and I certianly enjoyed it.
I am trying to pursuade a friend to take his PA12 but will most likely
travel in my Honda Civic ( cheaper)
John Mc
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne and Kathy <ktokarz(at)incentre.net>
Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 10:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: oshkosh
>Is any one from western Canada planing to go to oshkosh ? It would be
>great to be able to find someone to formate with. If not I still plan on
>going alone.
>Wayne Tokarz
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
>Is any one from western Canada planing to go to oshkosh ? It would be
>great to be able to find someone to formate with. If not I still plan on
>going alone.
>Wayne Tokarz
Wayne/Group.... Would any of you who are going to fly
your Piet/GN-1 into Osh please e-mail me directly your
address so I can get a no radio waiver for you and the
proper notam you'll need ? Even if you end up not
going, that's ok....better to be ready just in case.
MANY Thanks....Mike Cuy
Is any one from western Canada planing to go to oshkosh ? It would
be
great to be able to find someone to formate with. If not I still plan
on
going alone.
Wayne Tokarz
Wayne/Group.... Would any of you who are going to fly
your Piet/GN-1 into Osh please e-mail me directly your
address so I can get a no radio waiver for you and the
proper notam you'll need ? Even if you end up not
going, that's ok....better to be ready just in case.
MANY Thanks....Mike Cuy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Bound ??? |
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov>
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 6:35 AM
Subject: EAA Bound ???
Hi Michael. If my GN-1 and I are able, we'll try and make the trip.
It would be the highlight of my year (so far).
Robert Hensarling
4326 Hwy 90 E.
Uvalde, Texas 78801
Thanks!
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
>Is any one from western Canada planing to go to oshkosh ? It would
be
>great to be able to find someone to formate with. If not I still
plan on
>going alone.
>Wayne Tokarz
Wayne/Group.... Would any of you who are going to fly
your Piet/GN-1 into Osh please e-mail me directly your
address so I can get a no radio waiver for you and the
proper notam you'll need ? Even if you end up not
going, that's ok....better to be ready just in case.
MANY Thanks....Mike Cuy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
Robert !! Thanks for your address. It would be a great
thing to see you and your plane in formation with the
so far FIFTEEN committed Piets to Oshkosh !!!!!
Hope it works out for you to join us.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Wayne and Kathy <ktokarz(at)incentre.net> |
John McNarry wrote:
>
> Hi Wayne
> By Ground or air? I am in western Manitoba and am hoping to make it to
> Brodhead. Last time was in '96 and I certianly enjoyed it.
> I am trying to pursuade a friend to take his PA12 but will most likely
> travel in my Honda Civic ( cheaper)
>
> John Mc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne and Kathy <ktokarz(at)incentre.net>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 10:09 PM
> Subject: oshkosh
>
> >Is any one from western Canada planing to go to oshkosh ? It would be
> >great to be able to find someone to formate with. If not I still plan on
> >going alone.
> >Wayne Tokarz
> >
By Air in the piet!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | lpasley <lpasley(at)aristotle.net> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Bound ??? |
Michael,
GN-1 4057T and I might make the trip. We will see as the time gets closer.
I appreciate what you are doing for us. Thanks,
Larry Pasley
P.O. Box 181
Carlisle, AR. 72024
lpasley(at)aristotle.net
> >Is any one from western Canada planing to go to oshkosh ? It would be
> >great to be able to find someone to formate with. If not I still plan on
> >going alone.
> >Wayne Tokarz
>
> Wayne/Group.... Would any of you who are going to fly
> your Piet/GN-1 into Osh please e-mail me directly your
> address so I can get a no radio waiver for you and the
> proper notam you'll need ? Even if you end up not
> going, that's ok....better to be ready just in case.
> MANY Thanks....Mike Cuy
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Attn Flight Sim 98 users! |
After over a year of looking, I have finally located a Pietenpol Air
Camper for MS Flight Sim 98! and boy is it a beauty! All control
surfaces move, prop moves, and it even has authentic Ford sounds! If
you get the zip file, you also get a very nice Monocoupe. Only 851k.
http://www.flightsimmers.net/tommy/planes.htm
Look about halfway down the page for the Piet.
If any of you have trouble getting the file, let me know and I'll
email it directly to you. On monday I will be placing the file right
on my Piet page, so that wont be problem.
Enjoy!
Richard
==
http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
| Subject: | Re: Attn Flight Sim 98 users! |
>After over a year of looking, I have finally located a Pietenpol Air
>Camper for MS Flight Sim 98! and boy is it a beauty! All control
>surfaces move, prop moves, and it even has authentic Ford sounds! If
>you get the zip file, you also get a very nice Monocoupe. Only 851k.
>
>http://www.flightsimmers.net/tommy/planes.htm
>
>Look about halfway down the page for the Piet.
>
>If any of you have trouble getting the file, let me know and I'll
>email it directly to you. On monday I will be placing the file right
>on my Piet page, so that wont be problem.
>
>Enjoy!
>Richard
>
WARNING! DANGER!:
Dont go to that site until you finish your REAL PIET,
FS "flying" will get you away from working in your project :-) :-) :-)
Great site, Thanks Richard
Saludos
Gary Gower
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
| Subject: | Re: Attn Flight Sim 98 users! |
AweSim !
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx>
Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 4:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Attn Flight Sim 98 users!
>
>>After over a year of looking, I have finally located a Pietenpol Air
>>Camper for MS Flight Sim 98! and boy is it a beauty! All control
>>surfaces move, prop moves, and it even has authentic Ford sounds! If
>>you get the zip file, you also get a very nice Monocoupe. Only 851k.
>>
>>http://www.flightsimmers.net/tommy/planes.htm
>>
>>Look about halfway down the page for the Piet.
>>
>>If any of you have trouble getting the file, let me know and I'll
>>email it directly to you. On monday I will be placing the file right
>>on my Piet page, so that wont be problem.
>>
>>Enjoy!
>>Richard
>>
>
>WARNING! DANGER!:
>
>Dont go to that site until you finish your REAL PIET,
>
>FS "flying" will get you away from working in your project :-) :-) :-)
>
>Great site, Thanks Richard
>
>Saludos
>
>Gary Gower
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Attn Flight Sim 98 users! |
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx>
Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 5:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Attn Flight Sim 98 users!
Hi Gary. I'm new to the list, and saw this message reference the
Piet/flight 98 info. I would really like to set up this simulator on my
Compaq Presario. Could you possibly email me direct about what all I would
need (controls, programs, some sort of game card(?), etc).
I've recently traded for a GN-1, and will be receiving it this next weekend.
I will have some questions for the list I'm sure. I've watched Michael Cuys
tape 20 times now, and I'm very interested in the Pietenpol influence of
aviation history.
I will have pictures on my website soon of my GN-1. If anyone ever gets
down to my part of the country (Uvalde is located 70 miles West of San
Antonio), please stop in for a visit. Maybe we can have a Piet/GN fly in
down here sometime.
Thank you,
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
>
>>After over a year of looking, I have finally located a Pietenpol Air
>>Camper for MS Flight Sim 98! and boy is it a beauty! All control
>>surfaces move, prop moves, and it even has authentic Ford sounds! If
>>you get the zip file, you also get a very nice Monocoupe. Only 851k.
>>
>>http://www.flightsimmers.net/tommy/planes.htm
>>
>>Look about halfway down the page for the Piet.
>>
>>If any of you have trouble getting the file, let me know and I'll
>>email it directly to you. On monday I will be placing the file right
>>on my Piet page, so that wont be problem.
>>
>>Enjoy!
>>Richard
>>
>
>WARNING! DANGER!:
>
>Dont go to that site until you finish your REAL PIET,
>
>FS "flying" will get you away from working in your project :-) :-) :-)
>
>Great site, Thanks Richard
>
>Saludos
>
>Gary Gower
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
| Subject: | Re: Attn Flight Sim 98 users! |
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 5:32 PM
>Subject: Re: Attn Flight Sim 98 users!
>
>Hi Gary. I'm new to the list, and saw this message reference the
>Piet/flight 98 info. I would really like to set up this simulator on my
>Compaq Presario. Could you possibly email me direct about what all I would
>need (controls, programs, some sort of game card(?), etc).
>
>I've recently traded for a GN-1, and will be receiving it this next=
weekend.
>I will have some questions for the list I'm sure. I've watched Michael=
Cuys
>tape 20 times now, and I'm very interested in the Pietenpol influence of
>aviation history.
>
>I will have pictures on my website soon of my GN-1. If anyone ever gets
>down to my part of the country (Uvalde is located 70 miles West of San
>Antonio), please stop in for a visit. Maybe we can have a Piet/GN fly in
>down here sometime.
>
>Thank you,
>Robert Hensarling
>
Sorry Robert,
I am as new to Flight Simulator as you, just went to look at this wonderfull
page (and what links!),
I "flew" a FS years ago with the keyboard, but never "serious" it was
boring with no sounds and crash in every landing :-)
But I have a friend here that he really likes the Flight Sim, he has a
joke, pedals, trottle, etc and has built the scenary of our area including
the military airport, the International Airport (GDL) our Aerodrome and even
our hangars. He keep his airplane in my hangar :-) without my permission, is
amasing!!!
He is beguining to built a Wittman Tailwind.
I will ask him if he will like to get in touch with you (I bet he will), the
problem is that his english is about as bad as mine (dictionary & speller
helps a lot in e-mails).
I sent yesterday an e-mail to the owner of the page asking for advise, I
also got imppressed about it!!!
Hope I dont get to hoked to sibernetic flight, I love flying real things.
My project is a "brother" of the Piet: The Ramsey Bathub, original plans
come in the 1932 Flying and Glider Manual page 60. I made some "little"
modifications that include the engine trust in line with the wings and
empenage (tail fethers), other mods are safety ones like tube structure in
place to wires in the fuselage "cone", etc.
Hope we can help you.
Saludos
initial testing
--------------
EAA Chapter 1039 President | 1,835 VW 2 place "modified" 1932 Ramsey=
Bathtub
Delegado Regional FEMEDA-FAI | FAI Legal Ultralight (224 Kg dry) (90%=
finished)
ggower(at)informador.com.mx | (modifying the wings)
cover.
1999(?)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Flying WWP (Wife & Weather Permited) from:
Aerodromo "Paco Yerena" (For Ultralights and light planes ONLY) in Chapala:
Alt 4,997' ASL N 20=BA18.610' W 103=BA09.606' (Grass) CT: PAK 123.45
Main Strip 14/32, 700 mts (2,300'Long 60'W) two more strips for cross wind
landing.
>>> Right Pattern to 14 (WARNING: flying over town forbidden)
Info: G. Gower, Apdo # 5-96 Chapalita, Zapopan Jalisco, 45040 MEXICO.
IMPORTANT: check Altitude ASL & power available for take off in advance!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Attn Flight Sim 98 users! |
-----Original Message-----
=46rom: Gary Gower
Date: Sunday, March 21, 1999 12:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Attn Flight Sim 98 users!
Hi Gary, thanks for all the info!! Wish I had a Air Creation trike!
I had
a Windlass trike for about a year, then traded it for a Rans S-12.
I have
the EAA/ASC exemption to give training in two place "heavy UL's", but=
there
wasn't any trike interest here in South Texas. I remember last year
somebody rigged up the MFS 98 by putting the yoke on the ceiling, and=
then
had some PVC pipe attached to it, and it came down as a trike bar, he=
said
it was pretty good.
Thanks again so much for the info, and I'd sure like to hear more abo=
ut the
"bathtub" project.
Robert
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx>
>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 5:32 PM
>>Subject: Re: Attn Flight Sim 98 users!
>>
>>Hi Gary. I'm new to the list, and saw this message reference the
>>Piet/flight 98 info. I would really like to set up this simulator
on my
>>Compaq Presario. Could you possibly email me direct about what all=
I
would
>>need (controls, programs, some sort of game card(?), etc).
>>
>>I've recently traded for a GN-1, and will be receiving it this next
weekend.
>>I will have some questions for the list I'm sure. I've watched Mic=
hael
Cuys
>>tape 20 times now, and I'm very interested in the Pietenpol influen=
ce of
>>aviation history.
>>
>>I will have pictures on my website soon of my GN-1. If anyone ever=
gets
>>down to my part of the country (Uvalde is located 70 miles West of
San
>>Antonio), please stop in for a visit. Maybe we can have a Piet/GN
fly in
>>down here sometime.
>>
>>Thank you,
>>Robert Hensarling
>>
>
>Sorry Robert,
>
>I am as new to Flight Simulator as you, just went to look at this
wonderfull
>page (and what links!),
>
>I "flew" a FS years ago with the keyboard, but never "serious" it
was
>boring with no sounds and crash in every landing :-)
>
>But I have a friend here that he really likes the Flight Sim, he ha=
s a
>joke, pedals, trottle, etc and has built the scenary of our area in=
cluding
>the military airport, the International Airport (GDL) our Aerodrome
and
even
>our hangars. He keep his airplane in my hangar :-) without my permis=
sion,
is
>amasing!!!
>
>He is beguining to built a Wittman Tailwind.
>
>I will ask him if he will like to get in touch with you (I bet he wi=
ll),
the
>problem is that his english is about as bad as mine (dictionary & sp=
eller
>helps a lot in e-mails).
>
>I sent yesterday an e-mail to the owner of the page asking for advis=
e, I
>also got imppressed about it!!!
>
>Hope I dont get to hoked to sibernetic flight, I love flying real th=
ings.
>My project is a "brother" of the Piet: The Ramsey Bathub, original
plans
>come in the 1932 Flying and Glider Manual page 60. I made some "litt=
le"
>modifications that include the engine trust in line with the wings
and
>empenage (tail fethers), other mods are safety ones like tube struc=
ture in
>place to wires in the fuselage "cone", etc.
>
>Hope we can help you.
>
>Saludos
>
ying: -----------------------
e Sail
>EAA 280015 | 1/2 VW trike w/Sabre Sail borrowed
initial test=
ing
--------------
>EAA Chapter 1039 President | 1,835 VW 2 place "modified" 1932 Ram=
sey
Bathtub
>Delegado Regional FEMEDA-FAI | FAI Legal Ultralight (224 Kg dry) (9=
0%
finished)
>ggower(at)informador.com.mx | (modifying the wings)
to
cover.
>Guadalajara, Jalisco, MEXICO | --Next project:-) HM-380 Flying Flea
in
1999(?)
>--------------------------------------------------------------------=
-------
>Flying WWP (Wife & Weather Permited) from:
>Aerodromo "Paco Yerena" (For Ultralights and light planes ONLY) in C=
hapala:
>Alt 4,997' ASL N 20=BA18.610' W 103=BA09.606' (Grass) CT: PAK 123.4=
5
>Main Strip 14/32, 700 mts (2,300'Long 60'W) two more strips for cros=
s wind
>landing.
>>>> Right Pattern to 14 (WARNING: flying over town forbidden)
>Info: G. Gower, Apdo # 5-96 Chapalita, Zapopan Jalisco, 45040 MEXIC=
O.
>IMPORTANT: check Altitude ASL & power available for take off in adva=
nce!
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Does anyone know where I can get a pictorial refferance on hand signals that
pilots use to communicate with each other (without a radio),when flying in
formation ? I'm sure this would be useful info for those who plan on flying
into Oshkosh.
Chuck Gantzer
Wichita KS
Don't forget: Pietenpol Fly-In at Benton on Sept. 11
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Bound ??? |
>Michael,
>GN-1 4057T and I might make the trip.
>Larry Pasley
Larry- Many thanks ! Please let me know if you become a 'YES'
if you can about 2-3 wks. before the big trip.
Mike C.
Michael,
GN-1 4057T and I might make the trip.
Larry Pasley
Larry- Many thanks ! Please let me know if you become a
'YES'
if you can about 2-3 wks. before the big trip.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Attn Flight Sim 98 users! |
I downloaded the Piet MS Sim file and hope to install it this week. If you want
realistic controls and flying on those "too cold" or "too wet" days. Look at the
equipment on this link.
http://www.controlvision.com/frame.cfm?link=simhawk.htm
GY
Richard DeCosta wrote:
> After over a year of looking, I have finally located a Pietenpol Air
> Camper for MS Flight Sim 98! and boy is it a beauty! All control
> surfaces move, prop moves, and it even has authentic Ford sounds! If
> you get the zip file, you also get a very nice Monocoupe. Only 851k.
>
> http://www.flightsimmers.net/tommy/planes.htm
>
> Look about halfway down the page for the Piet.
>
> If any of you have trouble getting the file, let me know and I'll
> email it directly to you. On monday I will be placing the file right
> on my Piet page, so that wont be problem.
>
> Enjoy!
> Richard
>
> ==
> http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
>
> "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Attn Flight Sim 98 users! |
Ive added the Flight Sim file to my site, for those interested.
http://207.140.1.221/w3builder/piet/Fs98.shtml
Also, the site will be down for a day or two starting today or
tomorrow, while I completely reformat the server, and upgrade the
database software.
Richard
---Greg Yotz wrote:
>
> I downloaded the Piet MS Sim file and hope to install it this week.
If you want
> realistic controls and flying on those "too cold" or "too wet" days.
Look at the
> equipment on this link.
>
> http://www.controlvision.com/frame.cfm?link=simhawk.htm
>
>
> GY
>
> Richard DeCosta wrote:
>
> > After over a year of looking, I have finally located a Pietenpol Air
> > Camper for MS Flight Sim 98! and boy is it a beauty! All control
> > surfaces move, prop moves, and it even has authentic Ford sounds! If
> > you get the zip file, you also get a very nice Monocoupe. Only 851k.
> >
> > http://www.flightsimmers.net/tommy/planes.htm
> >
> > Look about halfway down the page for the Piet.
> >
> > If any of you have trouble getting the file, let me know and I'll
> > email it directly to you. On monday I will be placing the file right
> > on my Piet page, so that wont be problem.
> >
> > Enjoy!
> > Richard
> >
> > ==
> > http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> > Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> > http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
> >
> > "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by
God." -Gordon Baxter
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
==
http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <duprey(at)excite.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hand Signals |
Chuck: years ago I bought a small handbook on formation flying from (I
believe) the E.A.A. it is an excelent book and has all the info you need to
safly fly in formation. I will look for it tonight and get author etc. for
everyone.
John Duprey
> Does anyone know where I can get a pictorial refferance on hand signals
that
> pilots use to communicate with each other (without a radio),when flying
in
> formation ? I'm sure this would be useful info for those who plan on
flying
> into Oshkosh.
>
> Chuck Gantzer
> Wichita KS
>
> Don't forget: Pietenpol Fly-In at Benton on Sept. 11
"the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Hand Signals |
Hi Chuck!
The British (and one of my flight instructors!) had a whole series of arm
commands for formation flying. The key was giving the hand signal 3 times
with the turn (etc.) starting on the 3rd signal. Work it out in your
"briefing".
Of course, it's possible to fly formation without a radio or hand signals
-- I've done by forgetting to turn on my radio(!) in a C-150 -- all you do
is fly your lead as a reference (& hope he remembers that your'e on his
wing as he turns to your side!!)
Mike Conkling
Pretty Prairie, KS
> From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Hand Signals
> Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 12:59 AM
>
> Does anyone know where I can get a pictorial refferance on hand signals
that
> pilots use to communicate with each other (without a radio),when flying
in
> formation ? I'm sure this would be useful info for those who plan on
flying
> into Oshkosh.
>
> Chuck Gantzer
> Wichita KS
>
> Don't forget: Pietenpol Fly-In at Benton on Sept. 11
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Mike Cuy's Piet video |
Hi Guys:
I just finished watching Mike Cuy's piet video. It is great! You can
realy see how the piet goes together, alot of the items in the plans
that arn't clear, are shown beautifully. Mike does a good job of
explaning how he did things. & the flying seens are a kick! If you are
building or thinking of building I would reccomend you get a copy of
this tape!!! It is well worth the $.
John Duprey
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
I recently traded for a GN-1, and hopefully it should be delivered to my
hometown of Uvalde, Texas, within the next week or two, depending on
weather. I'm interested in finding a catalog on vintage flying apparel,
such as the leather helmets, goggles, etc.
Any help is appreciated!
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Leather Helmets and Silk Scarves |
Robert,
Go to http://www.flightsuits.com
Then go to Products,
Then go to Open Cockpit Equipment. Not cheap, but great quality.
Warren
robert hensarling wrote:
> I recently traded for a GN-1, and hopefully it should be delivered to my
> hometown of Uvalde, Texas, within the next week or two, depending on
> weather. I'm interested in finding a catalog on vintage flying apparel,
> such as the leather helmets, goggles, etc.
>
> Any help is appreciated!
> Robert Hensarling
> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> Uvalde, Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "List, Mike" <Mike_List(at)ATK.COM> |
| Subject: | RE: Mike Cuy's Piet video |
Wouldn't you know it, Mike's video arrived at home today but I am out on the
road. Told the wife she could go ahead and preview it for me, but I have a
feeling it will still be in the package when I get home!
Mike L.
> ----------
> From: John Duprey[SMTP:j-m-duprey(at)erols.com]
> Reply To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 1999 6:20 PM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Mike Cuy's Piet video
>
> Hi Guys:
>
> I just finished watching Mike Cuy's piet video. It is great! You can
> realy see how the piet goes together, alot of the items in the plans
> that arn't clear, are shown beautifully. Mike does a good job of
> explaning how he did things. & the flying seens are a kick! If you are
> building or thinking of building I would reccomend you get a copy of
> this tape!!! It is well worth the $.
>
> John Duprey
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mike Cuy's Piet video |
-----Original Message-----
From: List, Mike <Mike_List(at)ATK.COM>
Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 10:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Mike Cuy's Piet video
I'm ordering mine tomorrow! I've already talked Michael Cuy out of plans
for his his secret smoke system he uses on his beautiful Piet.
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
>Wouldn't you know it, Mike's video arrived at home today but I am out on
the
>road. Told the wife she could go ahead and preview it for me, but I have a
>feeling it will still be in the package when I get home!
>
>Mike L.
>
>> ----------
>> From: John Duprey[SMTP:j-m-duprey(at)erols.com]
>> Reply To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Sent: Monday, March 22, 1999 6:20 PM
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Subject: Mike Cuy's Piet video
>>
>> Hi Guys:
>>
>> I just finished watching Mike Cuy's piet video. It is great! You can
>> realy see how the piet goes together, alot of the items in the plans
>> that arn't clear, are shown beautifully. Mike does a good job of
>> explaning how he did things. & the flying seens are a kick! If you are
>> building or thinking of building I would reccomend you get a copy of
>> this tape!!! It is well worth the $.
>>
>> John Duprey
>>
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Leather Helmets and Silk Scarves |
-----Original Message-----
From: Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 10:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leather Helmets and Silk Scarves
Thank you Warren!
Robert
>Robert,
>Go to http://www.flightsuits.com
>Then go to Products,
>Then go to Open Cockpit Equipment. Not cheap, but great quality.
>Warren
>
>robert hensarling wrote:
>
>> I recently traded for a GN-1, and hopefully it should be delivered to my
>> hometown of Uvalde, Texas, within the next week or two, depending on
>> weather. I'm interested in finding a catalog on vintage flying apparel,
>> such as the leather helmets, goggles, etc.
>>
>> Any help is appreciated!
>> Robert Hensarling
>> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>> Uvalde, Texas
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Leather Helmets and Silk Scarves |
Years ago when I had a PT-19 I bought a nice leather helmit from Sportys
Pilot shop. Bought my goggles at a motorcycle shop Same make and model
sporties had for 1/2 the $$$.
John Duprey
Warren Shoun wrote:
>
> Robert,
> Go to http://www.flightsuits.com
> Then go to Products,
> Then go to Open Cockpit Equipment. Not cheap, but great quality.
> Warren
>
> robert hensarling wrote:
>
> > I recently traded for a GN-1, and hopefully it should be delivered to my
> > hometown of Uvalde, Texas, within the next week or two, depending on
> > weather. I'm interested in finding a catalog on vintage flying apparel,
> > such as the leather helmets, goggles, etc.
> >
> > Any help is appreciated!
> > Robert Hensarling
> > http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> > rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> > Uvalde, Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Sayre, William G" <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com> |
| Subject: | the Piet and FlightSim98 |
I want to thank whomever that was that made the Pietenpol for FlightSim
98 available! And extreme thanks to whoever wrote that bit of beauty! What
a hoot! It's slow but stable and really reminds me of a Piet. I've always wanted
to simulate the Piet and even purchased Flight Shop some time back, but never
developed the skill to do it well (to busy working on present Piets?).
Anyway, THANKS!!! Now I can have something fun to do while the glue is
drying etc.
Bill Sayre
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | arkiesacres(at)juno.com |
| Subject: | Re: Leather Helmets and Silk Scarves |
I bought a set of Black Leather Goggles from a Harley shop years back for
riding, WW1 style.
So someday I'm going to build a WW1 Airplane around them.
Gordon
writes:
>Years ago when I had a PT-19 I bought a nice leather helmit from
>Sportys
>Pilot shop. Bought my goggles at a motorcycle shop Same make and model
>sporties had for 1/2 the $$$.
>
>John Duprey
>Warren Shoun wrote:
>>
>> Robert,
>> Go to http://www.flightsuits.com
>> Then go to Products,
>> Then go to Open Cockpit Equipment. Not cheap, but great quality.
>> Warren
>>
>> robert hensarling wrote:
>>
>> > I recently traded for a GN-1, and hopefully it should be delivered
>to my
>> > hometown of Uvalde, Texas, within the next week or two, depending
>on
>> > weather. I'm interested in finding a catalog on vintage flying
>apparel,
>> > such as the leather helmets, goggles, etc.
>> >
>> > Any help is appreciated!
>> > Robert Hensarling
>> > http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>> > rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>> > Uvalde, Texas
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
For those who care, my Pietenpol site is offline until further notice.
The machine it lived on has completely died, and until I can afford a
new machine, so has the site.
Thanks to all who have posted positive feedback. I will make every
effort to get it back asap.
As soon as I do, it will be accessed via www.aircamper.org, and I will
have free web space for anyone who is a piet enthusiast/builder/owner.
I hope its soon. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Richard
==
http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Leather Helmets and Silk Scarves |
John is right about Sportys' prices. Early on I bought their goggles and
leather helmet. Sportys has a "one size fits all" policy and I looked like I
was sticking my head out of a covered wagon and without the overpriced goggles,
it would not stay on unless I choked myself with the strap. Also, there is no
provision for a headset, which is pretty close to required with the air traffic
density here in So. Cal. This combination is now a wall decoration adding
"ambiance" to my hanger.
Warren
John Duprey wrote:
> Years ago when I had a PT-19 I bought a nice leather helmit from Sportys
> Pilot shop. Bought my goggles at a motorcycle shop Same make and model
> sporties had for 1/2 the $$$.
>
> John Duprey
> Warren Shoun wrote:
> >
> > Robert,
> > Go to http://www.flightsuits.com
> > Then go to Products,
> > Then go to Open Cockpit Equipment. Not cheap, but great quality.
> > Warren
> >
> > robert hensarling wrote:
> >
> > > I recently traded for a GN-1, and hopefully it should be delivered to my
> > > hometown of Uvalde, Texas, within the next week or two, depending on
> > > weather. I'm interested in finding a catalog on vintage flying apparel,
> > > such as the leather helmets, goggles, etc.
> > >
> > > Any help is appreciated!
> > > Robert Hensarling
> > > http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> > > rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> > > Uvalde, Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <duprey(at)excite.com> |
Richard: I think I speak for most of us when I say " We do care" Your site
is an insperation and a valuable source of usefull information to builders.
How much do you need to get back on your feet? I bet we would all be willing
to put our $ where our mouth is, and help out. I will happily kick in what I
can.
John Duprey
> For those who care, my Pietenpol site is offline until further notice.
> The machine it lived on has completely died, and until I can afford a
> new machine, so has the site.
>
> Thanks to all who have posted positive feedback. I will make every
> effort to get it back asap.
>
> As soon as I do, it will be accessed via www.aircamper.org, and I will
> have free web space for anyone who is a piet enthusiast/builder/owner.
>
> I hope its soon. Sorry for the inconvenience.
>
> Richard
>
> ==
> http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
>
> "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God."
-Gordon Baxter
>
>
>
>
"the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Sayre, William G" <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Leather Helmets and Silk Scarves |
I am fortunate to have my grand-mothers flying helmet given to her by a WWI ace
when she was learning to fly. The unusual thing about the old "Sculley" (brand)
design is, when you place it flat and look at opening for the face it has
a 90 degree angle from the forehead piece to the piece that runs down your cheeks.
Current designs are usually more than 90 degrees and not as comfortable.
In 1990, I had a custom helmet made at a small shop down town Brodhead of all places!
I noticed the shop and went in and asked the owner if he could make one
up. I trusted him by paying in advance, explained this difference and he followed
through and I have my helmet. I looked quickly when I was in town last
year but don't think he is in business anymore. If I'm not fortunate enough
to make Brodhead this year, and you find yourself downtown, look for a small leather
shop set back from the main drag running through town. It'd be great if
our "event" helped keep a local business in business.
Bill Sayre
> ----------
> From: Warren Shoun[SMTP:wbnb(at)earthlink.net]
> Reply To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 8:56 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Leather Helmets and Silk Scarves
>
> John is right about Sportys' prices. Early on I bought their goggles and
> leather helmet. Sportys has a "one size fits all" policy and I looked like I
> was sticking my head out of a covered wagon and without the overpriced goggles,
> it would not stay on unless I choked myself with the strap. Also, there is no
> provision for a headset, which is pretty close to required with the air traffic
> density here in So. Cal. This combination is now a wall decoration adding
> "ambiance" to my hanger.
> Warren
>
________________________________________________________________________________
I plan on spending around $1000 for a new server, whether anyone
contributes or not, just because I'm a bit of a lunatic when it comes
to airplanes, especially the Piet, and I just cant live without my own
web server.
Plus no ISP would house my site, as most limit you to about 15 MB of
space at most, and the Piet site is well over 300 MB. :)
I've put a general notice up here: http://www.wrld.com/ToBadSoSad.html
which contains my address, etc...
Richard
---John Duprey wrote:
>
> Richard: I think I speak for most of us when I say " We do care"
Your site
> is an insperation and a valuable source of usefull information to
builders.
> How much do you need to get back on your feet? I bet we would all be
willing
> to put our $ where our mouth is, and help out. I will happily kick
in what I
> can.
>
>
>
> John Duprey
>
>
> > For those who care, my Pietenpol site is offline until further
notice.
> > The machine it lived on has completely died, and until I can
afford a
> > new machine, so has the site.
> >
> > Thanks to all who have posted positive feedback. I will make every
> > effort to get it back asap.
> >
> > As soon as I do, it will be accessed via www.aircamper.org, and I
will
> > have free web space for anyone who is a piet
enthusiast/builder/owner.
> >
> > I hope its soon. Sorry for the inconvenience.
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > ==
> > http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> > Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> > http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
> >
> > "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God."
> -Gordon Baxter
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> "the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________
>
==
http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
________________________________________________________________________________
RICHARD
I WILL KICK IN AS WELL.
EARL MYERS
-----Original Message-----
From: John Duprey <duprey(at)excite.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 12:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: site
>Richard: I think I speak for most of us when I say " We do care" Your site
>is an insperation and a valuable source of usefull information to builders.
>How much do you need to get back on your feet? I bet we would all be
willing
>to put our $ where our mouth is, and help out. I will happily kick in what
I
>can.
>
>
>John Duprey
>
>
>> For those who care, my Pietenpol site is offline until further notice.
>> The machine it lived on has completely died, and until I can afford a
>> new machine, so has the site.
>>
>> Thanks to all who have posted positive feedback. I will make every
>> effort to get it back asap.
>>
>> As soon as I do, it will be accessed via www.aircamper.org, and I will
>> have free web space for anyone who is a piet enthusiast/builder/owner.
>>
>> I hope its soon. Sorry for the inconvenience.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> ==
>> http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
>> Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
>> http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
>>
>> "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God."
>-Gordon Baxter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>"the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
>
>
>_______________________________________________________
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: the Piet and FlightSim98 |
-----Original Message-----
From: Sayre, William G <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 9:14 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: the Piet and FlightSim98
Ok, so I now know I need the Flight simulator 98, and the Flight Shop
converter. I also know where to download the program. Does anyone have any
advise as to the type of controls (joystick, etc) that works best, and are
you guys using rudder pedals?
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
> I want to thank whomever that was that made the Pietenpol for FlightSim 98
available! And extreme thanks to whoever wrote that bit of beauty! What a
hoot! It's slow but stable and really reminds me of a Piet. I've always
wanted to simulate the Piet and even purchased Flight Shop some time back,
but never developed the skill to do it well (to busy working on present
Piets?).
> Anyway, THANKS!!! Now I can have something fun to do while the glue is
drying etc.
>
>Bill Sayre
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: the Piet and FlightSim98 |
All I use is a joystick. Foot pedals are cool, too, tho a bit
excessive, IMHO.
With the Piet for flight sim 98, you dont need the converter, as it is
made for 98. You just unzip it in its own directory.
Richard
---robert hensarling wrote:
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sayre, William G <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 9:14 AM
> Subject: the Piet and FlightSim98
>
> Ok, so I now know I need the Flight simulator 98, and the Flight Shop
> converter. I also know where to download the program. Does anyone
have any
> advise as to the type of controls (joystick, etc) that works best,
and are
> you guys using rudder pedals?
> Robert Hensarling
> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> Uvalde, Texas
>
>
> > I want to thank whomever that was that made the Pietenpol for
FlightSim 98
> available! And extreme thanks to whoever wrote that bit of beauty!
What a
> hoot! It's slow but stable and really reminds me of a Piet. I've
always
> wanted to simulate the Piet and even purchased Flight Shop some time
back,
> but never developed the skill to do it well (to busy working on
present
> Piets?).
> > Anyway, THANKS!!! Now I can have something fun to do while the
glue is
> drying etc.
> >
> >Bill Sayre
> >
>
>
==
http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: the Piet and FlightSim98 |
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard DeCosta
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 12:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: the Piet and FlightSim98
Thanks Richard, I was going to buy the converter program. Is any particular
joystick better than the other, or are they all about the same?
Robert(I'm not very computer smart at all) Hensarling
>All I use is a joystick. Foot pedals are cool, too, tho a bit
>excessive, IMHO.
>
>With the Piet for flight sim 98, you dont need the converter, as it is
>made for 98. You just unzip it in its own directory.
>
>Richard
>
>
>---robert hensarling wrote:
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sayre, William G <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com>
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 9:14 AM
>> Subject: the Piet and FlightSim98
>>
>> Ok, so I now know I need the Flight simulator 98, and the Flight Shop
>> converter. I also know where to download the program. Does anyone
>have any
>> advise as to the type of controls (joystick, etc) that works best,
>and are
>> you guys using rudder pedals?
>> Robert Hensarling
>> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>> Uvalde, Texas
>>
>>
>> > I want to thank whomever that was that made the Pietenpol for
>FlightSim 98
>> available! And extreme thanks to whoever wrote that bit of beauty!
>What a
>> hoot! It's slow but stable and really reminds me of a Piet. I've
>always
>> wanted to simulate the Piet and even purchased Flight Shop some time
>back,
>> but never developed the skill to do it well (to busy working on
>present
>> Piets?).
>> > Anyway, THANKS!!! Now I can have something fun to do while the
>glue is
>> drying etc.
>> >
>> >Bill Sayre
>> >
>>
>>
>
>==
>http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
>Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
>http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
>
>"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon
Baxter
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: the Piet and FlightSim98 |
If youve got the wherewithall, get the MS Force Feedback joystick.
Killer! You can actually feel the vibration of the engine, feel the
pull on the stick as you manuever, etc... About $150. Well worth it!
Oh, moot point now, but that Converter for FS98 is free. Just so you
know. You can download it of MS site.
Richard
---robert hensarling wrote:
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard DeCosta
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 12:29 PM
> Subject: Re: the Piet and FlightSim98
>
> Thanks Richard, I was going to buy the converter program. Is any
particular
> joystick better than the other, or are they all about the same?
>
> Robert(I'm not very computer smart at all) Hensarling
>
>
> >All I use is a joystick. Foot pedals are cool, too, tho a bit
> >excessive, IMHO.
> >
> >With the Piet for flight sim 98, you dont need the converter, as it
is
> >made for 98. You just unzip it in its own directory.
> >
> >Richard
> >
> >
> >---robert hensarling wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Sayre, William G <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com>
> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 9:14 AM
> >> Subject: the Piet and FlightSim98
> >>
> >> Ok, so I now know I need the Flight simulator 98, and the Flight
Shop
> >> converter. I also know where to download the program. Does anyone
> >have any
> >> advise as to the type of controls (joystick, etc) that works best,
> >and are
> >> you guys using rudder pedals?
> >> Robert Hensarling
> >> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> >> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> >> Uvalde, Texas
> >>
> >>
> >> > I want to thank whomever that was that made the Pietenpol for
> >FlightSim 98
> >> available! And extreme thanks to whoever wrote that bit of beauty!
> >What a
> >> hoot! It's slow but stable and really reminds me of a Piet. I've
> >always
> >> wanted to simulate the Piet and even purchased Flight Shop some
time
> >back,
> >> but never developed the skill to do it well (to busy working on
> >present
> >> Piets?).
> >> > Anyway, THANKS!!! Now I can have something fun to do while the
> >glue is
> >> drying etc.
> >> >
> >> >Bill Sayre
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >==
> >http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> >Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> >http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
> >
> >"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God."
-Gordon
> Baxter
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
==
http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: the Piet and FlightSim98 |
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard DeCosta
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 1:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: the Piet and FlightSim98
Many thanks!
Robert
>If youve got the wherewithall, get the MS Force Feedback joystick.
>Killer! You can actually feel the vibration of the engine, feel the
>pull on the stick as you manuever, etc... About $150. Well worth it!
>
>Oh, moot point now, but that Converter for FS98 is free. Just so you
>know. You can download it of MS site.
>
>Richard
>
>
>---robert hensarling wrote:
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Richard DeCosta
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 12:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: the Piet and FlightSim98
>>
>> Thanks Richard, I was going to buy the converter program. Is any
>particular
>> joystick better than the other, or are they all about the same?
>>
>> Robert(I'm not very computer smart at all) Hensarling
>>
>>
>> >All I use is a joystick. Foot pedals are cool, too, tho a bit
>> >excessive, IMHO.
>> >
>> >With the Piet for flight sim 98, you dont need the converter, as it
>is
>> >made for 98. You just unzip it in its own directory.
>> >
>> >Richard
>> >
>> >
>> >---robert hensarling wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Sayre, William G <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com>
>> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> >> Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 9:14 AM
>> >> Subject: the Piet and FlightSim98
>> >>
>> >> Ok, so I now know I need the Flight simulator 98, and the Flight
>Shop
>> >> converter. I also know where to download the program. Does anyone
>> >have any
>> >> advise as to the type of controls (joystick, etc) that works best,
>> >and are
>> >> you guys using rudder pedals?
>> >> Robert Hensarling
>> >> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>> >> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>> >> Uvalde, Texas
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > I want to thank whomever that was that made the Pietenpol for
>> >FlightSim 98
>> >> available! And extreme thanks to whoever wrote that bit of beauty!
>> >What a
>> >> hoot! It's slow but stable and really reminds me of a Piet. I've
>> >always
>> >> wanted to simulate the Piet and even purchased Flight Shop some
>time
>> >back,
>> >> but never developed the skill to do it well (to busy working on
>> >present
>> >> Piets?).
>> >> > Anyway, THANKS!!! Now I can have something fun to do while the
>> >glue is
>> >> drying etc.
>> >> >
>> >> >Bill Sayre
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >==
>> >http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
>> >Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
>> >http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
>> >
>> >"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God."
>-Gordon
>> Baxter
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>==
>http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
>Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
>http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
>
>"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon
Baxter
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: the Piet and FlightSim98 |
Robert,
Consider going to one of the PC stores and trying them. I like the
Microsoft one that has force feedback. You get stick shake in stalls and
resistance in climbs and turns.
Warren
robert hensarling wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard DeCosta
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 12:29 PM
> Subject: Re: the Piet and FlightSim98
>
> Thanks Richard, I was going to buy the converter program. Is any particular
> joystick better than the other, or are they all about the same?
>
> Robert(I'm not very computer smart at all) Hensarling
>
> >All I use is a joystick. Foot pedals are cool, too, tho a bit
> >excessive, IMHO.
> >
> >With the Piet for flight sim 98, you dont need the converter, as it is
> >made for 98. You just unzip it in its own directory.
> >
> >Richard
> >
> >
> >---robert hensarling wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Sayre, William G <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com>
> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 9:14 AM
> >> Subject: the Piet and FlightSim98
> >>
> >> Ok, so I now know I need the Flight simulator 98, and the Flight Shop
> >> converter. I also know where to download the program. Does anyone
> >have any
> >> advise as to the type of controls (joystick, etc) that works best,
> >and are
> >> you guys using rudder pedals?
> >> Robert Hensarling
> >> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> >> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> >> Uvalde, Texas
> >>
> >>
> >> > I want to thank whomever that was that made the Pietenpol for
> >FlightSim 98
> >> available! And extreme thanks to whoever wrote that bit of beauty!
> >What a
> >> hoot! It's slow but stable and really reminds me of a Piet. I've
> >always
> >> wanted to simulate the Piet and even purchased Flight Shop some time
> >back,
> >> but never developed the skill to do it well (to busy working on
> >present
> >> Piets?).
> >> > Anyway, THANKS!!! Now I can have something fun to do while the
> >glue is
> >> drying etc.
> >> >
> >> >Bill Sayre
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >==
> >http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> >Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> >http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
> >
> >"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon
> Baxter
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Vi KAPLER 3 piece wing |
Has anyone used the Kapler three piece wing with a 3/4 inch thick routed spar?
Any ideas on difference in weight, strength between the 3/4 inch spar and the
1 inch spar called for on the original Sky Scout plans? Any thoughts welcome.
Ed Woerle
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
| Subject: | Re: the Piet and FlightSim98 |
I downloaded the Piet MS Sim file and hope to install it this week. If you want
realistic controls and flying on those "too cold" or "too wet" days. Look at the
equipment on this link. It is really good.
http://www.controlvision.com/frame.cfm?link=simhawk.htm
GY
Sayre, William G wrote:
> I want to thank whomever that was that made the Pietenpol for FlightSim
98 available! And extreme thanks to whoever wrote that bit of beauty! What
a hoot! It's slow but stable and really reminds me of a Piet. I've always
wanted to simulate the Piet and even purchased Flight Shop some time back, but
never developed the skill to do it well (to busy working on present Piets?).
> Anyway, THANKS!!! Now I can have something fun to do while the glue
is drying etc.
>
> Bill Sayre
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
What about donated equipment etc.??? Are you using Linux to serve? How are you
connected to the Net?
My companies server sets on an old Pentium 166 and Linux and it works quit well
with
moderate traffic. I'm sure most of us could donate enough parts to put together
a
pretty good server...
Greg Yotz
Richard DeCosta wrote:
> For those who care, my Pietenpol site is offline until further notice.
> The machine it lived on has completely died, and until I can afford a
> new machine, so has the site.
>
> Thanks to all who have posted positive feedback. I will make every
> effort to get it back asap.
>
> As soon as I do, it will be accessed via www.aircamper.org, and I will
> have free web space for anyone who is a piet enthusiast/builder/owner.
>
> I hope its soon. Sorry for the inconvenience.
>
> Richard
>
> ==
> http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
>
> "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael King <mikek(at)nstar.net> |
Say Gang,
Anybody know a good place to locate new
tires? My GN-1 has Cub gear and needs
a couple of 6:00 x 6....prefer 6ply tires and
tubes.
I have a Wag Aero book, but thought somebody
knows of better prices for the same quality tires
and tubes.
Doing some Spring cleaning and want to start
the season off with fresh rubber. It is going to
be a busy spring / summer.
Thanks in advance...
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Dallas
________________________________________________________________________________
I can make anything higher than a Pentium 120 work. I will be using
Win NT 4 with Netscape Enterprise Server. I can be very creative with
computers when the need arises (as indeed it has).
Richard
---Greg Yotz wrote:
>
> What about donated equipment etc.??? Are you using Linux to serve?
How are you
> connected to the Net?
> My companies server sets on an old Pentium 166 and Linux and it
works quit well with
> moderate traffic. I'm sure most of us could donate enough parts to
put together a
> pretty good server...
>
>
> Greg Yotz
>
> Richard DeCosta wrote:
>
> > For those who care, my Pietenpol site is offline until further
notice.
> > The machine it lived on has completely died, and until I can
afford a
> > new machine, so has the site.
> >
> > Thanks to all who have posted positive feedback. I will make every
> > effort to get it back asap.
> >
> > As soon as I do, it will be accessed via www.aircamper.org, and I
will
> > have free web space for anyone who is a piet
enthusiast/builder/owner.
> >
> > I hope its soon. Sorry for the inconvenience.
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > ==
> > http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> > Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> > http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
> >
> > "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by
God." -Gordon Baxter
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
==
http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ted Brousseau <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
| Subject: | More on the Hats (not Hatz) |
Steve,
A couple of questions.
Where does the message on the back go? Low, along the buckle part or hi,
above the cut out (It does have a cutout?)?
Any chance of getting personal message on back and LOW & SLOW on front like
web logo?
Thanks,
Ted
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RGASKIN <randy(at)icomnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mike Cuy's Piet video |
John Duprey wrote:
>
> Hi Guys:
>
> I just finished watching Mike Cuy's piet video. It is great! You can
> realy see how the piet goes together, alot of the items in the plans
> that arn't clear, are shown beautifully. Mike does a good job of
> explaning how he did things. & the flying seens are a kick! If you are
> building or thinking of building I would reccomend you get a copy of
> this tape!!! It is well worth the $.
>
> John Duprey
John, please tell me where I can order the tapes. Thanks, Randy Gaskins
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David B. Schober" <dbs(at)fscvax.wvnet.edu> |
Buy recaps from either Hawkins or Wilkerson. They both advertise in TAP.
Price should be in the $30 range + shipping. They last a lot longer than
new tires!
Michael King wrote:
> Say Gang,
>
> Anybody know a good place to locate new
> tires? My GN-1 has Cub gear and needs
> a couple of 6:00 x 6....prefer 6ply tires and
> tubes.
>
> I have a Wag Aero book, but thought somebody
> knows of better prices for the same quality tires
> and tubes.
>
> Doing some Spring cleaning and want to start
> the season off with fresh rubber. It is going to
> be a busy spring / summer.
>
> Thanks in advance...
>
> Mike King
> GN-1
> 77MK
> Dallas
--
David B.Schober, CPE
Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
Fairmont State College
National Aerospace Education Center
Rt. 3 Box 13
Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503
(304) 842-8300
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RGASKIN <randy(at)icomnet.com> |
John Duprey wrote:
>
> Richard: I think I speak for most of us when I say " We do care" Your site
> is an insperation and a valuable source of usefull information to builders.
> How much do you need to get back on your feet? I bet we would all be willing
> to put our $ where our mouth is, and help out. I will happily kick in what I
> can.
>
> John Duprey
>
>
> > For those who care, my Pietenpol site is offline until further notice.
> > The machine it lived on has completely died, and until I can afford a
> > new machine, so has the site.
> >
> > Thanks to all who have posted positive feedback. I will make every
> > effort to get it back asap.
> >
> > As soon as I do, it will be accessed via www.aircamper.org, and I will
> > have free web space for anyone who is a piet enthusiast/builder/owner.
> >
> > I hope its soon. Sorry for the inconvenience.
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > ==
> > http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> > Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> > http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
> >
> > "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God."
> -Gordon Baxter
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> "the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
>
> _______________________________________________________
John, I now have $20.00 ear-marked to help get Richards site back on
line. Are there others ready to help? John, if you would coordinate
this, it could happen.
May you be blessed with a tailwind. Randy Gaskins
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
So what can you use off the old server and what do you need? MB, HD, FD, Net card
ect.???
Greg Yotz
Richard DeCosta wrote:
> I can make anything higher than a Pentium 120 work. I will be using
> Win NT 4 with Netscape Enterprise Server. I can be very creative with
> computers when the need arises (as indeed it has).
>
> Richard
>
> ---Greg Yotz wrote:
> >
> > What about donated equipment etc.??? Are you using Linux to serve?
> How are you
> > connected to the Net?
> > My companies server sets on an old Pentium 166 and Linux and it
> works quit well with
> > moderate traffic. I'm sure most of us could donate enough parts to
> put together a
> > pretty good server...
> >
> >
> > Greg Yotz
> >
> > Richard DeCosta wrote:
> >
> > > For those who care, my Pietenpol site is offline until further
> notice.
> > > The machine it lived on has completely died, and until I can
> afford a
> > > new machine, so has the site.
> > >
> > > Thanks to all who have posted positive feedback. I will make every
> > > effort to get it back asap.
> > >
> > > As soon as I do, it will be accessed via www.aircamper.org, and I
> will
> > > have free web space for anyone who is a piet
> enthusiast/builder/owner.
> > >
> > > I hope its soon. Sorry for the inconvenience.
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> > > ==
> > > http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> > > Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> > > http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
> > >
> > > "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by
> God." -Gordon Baxter
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ==
> http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
>
> "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Save Richards site!!! |
RGASKIN wrote:
>
> John Duprey wrote:
> >
> > Richard: I think I speak for most of us when I say " We do care" Your site
> > is an insperation and a valuable source of usefull information to builders.
> > How much do you need to get back on your feet? I bet we would all be willing
> > to put our $ where our mouth is, and help out. I will happily kick in what
I
> > can.
> >
> > John Duprey
> >
> >
> > > For those who care, my Pietenpol site is offline until further notice.
> > > The machine it lived on has completely died, and until I can afford a
> > > new machine, so has the site.
> > >
> > > Thanks to all who have posted positive feedback. I will make every
> > > effort to get it back asap.
> > >
> > > As soon as I do, it will be accessed via www.aircamper.org, and I will
> > > have free web space for anyone who is a piet enthusiast/builder/owner.
> > >
> > > I hope its soon. Sorry for the inconvenience.
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> > > ==
> > > http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> > > Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> > > http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
> > >
> > > "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God."
> > -Gordon Baxter
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > "the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
> >
> > _______________________________________________________
> John, I now have $20.00 ear-marked to help get Richards site back on
> line. Are there others ready to help? John, if you would coordinate
> this, it could happen.
> May you be blessed with a tailwind. Randy Gaskins
Ok I will do it. Send me an e-mail not to the board with the ammount you
can donate. No donation will be refused Large or small! I will keep a
running tab and let every one know how much we have. When the pledges
are raised we can all send our checks to Richard. If you have equipment
to donate GREAT! please clear it through Richard though to make shure he
can use it. I will co ordinate this but Plaese don't send me the checks
We can all send them directly to Richard. I will post a list of names of
doners you may be anonomous if you wish. We can do this!!! It's not just
for Richard but for all of our benifit.
John Duprey
Duprey(at)mailexcite.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Gosh, you'd think I was dying of cancer of something... I feel a bit
embarassed. I'm all for donations, but only as long as we all agree
that it's OUR site, not mine, and I will simply be watching over it
and maintaining it. There will be free web space for all Piet people,
no questions asked. Please dont make a big deal out of it, only do
what you all think the site is worth to you.
> Ok I will do it. Send me an e-mail not to the board with the ammount
you
> can donate. No donation will be refused Large or small! I will keep a
> running tab and let every one know how much we have. When the pledges
> are raised we can all send our checks to Richard. If you have
equipment
> to donate GREAT! please clear it through Richard though to make
shure he
> can use it. I will co ordinate this but Plaese don't send me the
checks
> We can all send them directly to Richard. I will post a list of
names of
> doners you may be anonomous if you wish. We can do this!!! It's not
just
> for Richard but for all of our benifit.
>
> John Duprey
> Duprey(at)mailexcite.com
>
==
http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
One comment:
A sport pilot (weekends) flys about 50 hours a year, so here we use "left
over" tyres from the "rich pilots" or airtaxis, we have several homebuilts
here that have several years flying before the tread of the tyre disapears
(lots of rubber left for fun flying).
Some of them are even given for free, thats a deal.
Saludos
Gary Gower
>Buy recaps from either Hawkins or Wilkerson. They both advertise in TAP.
>Price should be in the $30 range + shipping. They last a lot longer than
>new tires!
>
>Michael King wrote:
>
>> Say Gang,
>>
>> Anybody know a good place to locate new
>> tires? My GN-1 has Cub gear and needs
>> a couple of 6:00 x 6....prefer 6ply tires and
>> tubes.
>>
>> I have a Wag Aero book, but thought somebody
>> knows of better prices for the same quality tires
>> and tubes.
>>
>> Doing some Spring cleaning and want to start
>> the season off with fresh rubber. It is going to
>> be a busy spring / summer.
>>
>> Thanks in advance...
>>
>> Mike King
>> GN-1
>> 77MK
>> Dallas
>
>
>--
>
>
>David B.Schober, CPE
>Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
>Fairmont State College
>National Aerospace Education Center
>Rt. 3 Box 13
>Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503
>(304) 842-8300
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craig Lawler <clawler(at)ptd.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Vi KAPLER 3 piece wing |
x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"
Ed,
I used 1 inch sitka spruce and routed out the center of each according
to the original plans. I think it saved about 12 or 13 pounds. Saved the
saw dust. Not real scientific. Looking forward to spring in Pa. Haven't
run the Peit since the first week of Dec.
Craig
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
| Subject: | Something good happened here! |
This last Saturday, happened something that made as happy for the day:
Our QuickSilver Instructor was giving his lessons in his 2 seater Sprint.
Here is "spring" since february, so lots of baby birds are beguining to
learn to fly. All around the Aerodorme is with seeds or with little plants.
They (instructor and student) took off and when they reach the end of the
strip, always there are a lots of birds that fly away, well in this flight
all the birds flew away but there was one little "student bird pilot" that
flew in direction of the plane, when the little bird realized the problem,
Taylor (the instuctor) saw him trying to fly away (scape) but he couldnt
make it and flew directly to Taylors face, so Taylor "catched" him with
both hands!! so he will not crash with him or with the prop.
For the luck of the little bird the student has the enough hours
(experience) to fly back to the strip in his first "solo", because the
instructor was busy holding the bird (Taylor thoughts were that in any
problem with the landing: "soory birdy" he will grab the joke).
When they succesfully made a perfect landing, they went to the
"terraza-control tower" where we all meet, to show the new QS pilot.
We organized a little "back to freedom" ceremony for the frightened little
bird, in the place where the two strips cross. That was a real "young
eagle" in a birds suit.
we all have a great feeling and will keep this memory to tell our
grandchildren when the time will come...
Saludos
initial testing
--------------
EAA Chapter 1039 President | 1,835 VW 2 place "modified" 1932 Ramsey=
Bathtub
Delegado Regional FEMEDA-FAI | FAI Legal Ultralight (224 Kg dry) (90%=
finished)
ggower(at)informador.com.mx | (modifying the wings)
cover.
1999(?)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Flying WWP (Wife & Weather Permited) from:
Aerodromo "Paco Yerena" (For Ultralights and light planes ONLY) in Chapala:
Alt 4,997' ASL N 20=BA18.610' W 103=BA09.606' (Grass) CT: PAK 123.45
Main Strip 14/32, 700 mts (2,300'Long 60'W) two more strips for cross wind
landing.
>>> Right Pattern to 14 (WARNING: flying over town forbidden)
Info: G. Gower, Apdo # 5-96 Chapalita, Zapopan Jalisco, 45040 MEXICO.
IMPORTANT: check Altitude ASL & power available for take off in advance!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Neal <llneal(at)earthlink.ten> |
Richard,
{what} died?
Let me know... If feasable, I will forward components.
Some will be more available than others, but let's give it a shot.
No AS/400 or ES 9000 stuff, I hope ;-)
Larry
Richard DeCosta wrote:
> For those who care, my Pietenpol site is offline until further notice.
> The machine it lived on has completely died, and until I can afford a
> new machine, so has the site.
>
> Thanks to all who have posted positive feedback. I will make every
> effort to get it back asap.
>
> As soon as I do, it will be accessed via www.aircamper.org, and I will
> have free web space for anyone who is a piet enthusiast/builder/owner.
>
> I hope its soon. Sorry for the inconvenience.
>
> Richard
>
> ==
> http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
>
> "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Neal <llneal(at)earthlink.ten> |
John,
I've responded to Richard as well.
I have quite a bit of loose hardware and some ante as well.
I'm with you, let's get the site back up and rally the troops at the same time
eh?
Larry
John Duprey wrote:
> Richard: I think I speak for most of us when I say " We do care" Your site
> is an insperation and a valuable source of usefull information to builders.
> How much do you need to get back on your feet? I bet we would all be willing
> to put our $ where our mouth is, and help out. I will happily kick in what I
> can.
>
> John Duprey
>
>
> > For those who care, my Pietenpol site is offline until further notice.
> > The machine it lived on has completely died, and until I can afford a
> > new machine, so has the site.
> >
> > Thanks to all who have posted positive feedback. I will make every
> > effort to get it back asap.
> >
> > As soon as I do, it will be accessed via www.aircamper.org, and I will
> > have free web space for anyone who is a piet enthusiast/builder/owner.
> >
> > I hope its soon. Sorry for the inconvenience.
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > ==
> > http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> > Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> > http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
> >
> > "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God."
> -Gordon Baxter
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> "the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
>
> _______________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Neal <llneal(at)earthlink.ten> |
| Subject: | Re: the Piet and FlightSim98 |
All,
I'm a bit upset about this one.
IMHO, the MS FFB stick is nice for shoot-em-ups, but does not work with existing
rudder pedals.
Forget it as I did mine (Christmas present turned boat anchor!).
Not even my favorite (and rudder happy) MS Combat Flight Simulator will allow
existing pedals with the FFB stick. Also, MS does not make any, not to mention
FFB compatible rudder pedals. No joy at all kids!
I can't slip by twisting the stick as I do by banging rudders without learning
some *really* weird habits and I refuse to play after hours with an
auto-coordinated simulator.
Sorry, but I fly real airplanes, not pinball machines......
Larry
Warren Shoun wrote:
> Robert,
> Consider going to one of the PC stores and trying them. I like the
> Microsoft one that has force feedback. You get stick shake in stalls and
> resistance in climbs and turns.
> Warren
>
> robert hensarling wrote:
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard DeCosta
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 12:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: the Piet and FlightSim98
> >
> > Thanks Richard, I was going to buy the converter program. Is any particular
> > joystick better than the other, or are they all about the same?
> >
> > Robert(I'm not very computer smart at all) Hensarling
> >
> > >All I use is a joystick. Foot pedals are cool, too, tho a bit
> > >excessive, IMHO.
> > >
> > >With the Piet for flight sim 98, you dont need the converter, as it is
> > >made for 98. You just unzip it in its own directory.
> > >
> > >Richard
> > >
> > >
> > >---robert hensarling wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Sayre, William G <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com>
> > >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >> Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 9:14 AM
> > >> Subject: the Piet and FlightSim98
> > >>
> > >> Ok, so I now know I need the Flight simulator 98, and the Flight Shop
> > >> converter. I also know where to download the program. Does anyone
> > >have any
> > >> advise as to the type of controls (joystick, etc) that works best,
> > >and are
> > >> you guys using rudder pedals?
> > >> Robert Hensarling
> > >> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> > >> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> > >> Uvalde, Texas
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > I want to thank whomever that was that made the Pietenpol for
> > >FlightSim 98
> > >> available! And extreme thanks to whoever wrote that bit of beauty!
> > >What a
> > >> hoot! It's slow but stable and really reminds me of a Piet. I've
> > >always
> > >> wanted to simulate the Piet and even purchased Flight Shop some time
> > >back,
> > >> but never developed the skill to do it well (to busy working on
> > >present
> > >> Piets?).
> > >> > Anyway, THANKS!!! Now I can have something fun to do while the
> > >glue is
> > >> drying etc.
> > >> >
> > >> >Bill Sayre
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >==
> > >http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> > >Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> > >http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
> > >
> > >"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon
> > Baxter
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Neal <llneal(at)earthlink.ten> |
Richard,
You must understand the importance of what you have done for the cause.
Yes, It may be a bit intimidating, but what you did it previously for fun, for
a good
cause and with no worries for the future has grown up into a real resource for
many.
And we all appreciate it!
Seems that you've struck the Heartbeat of America thing... There will be resources
available as mentioned previously. Hope you can sort it all out and please let
us all
know when you need more.
Larry
Richard DeCosta wrote:
> Gosh, you'd think I was dying of cancer of something... I feel a bit
> embarassed. I'm all for donations, but only as long as we all agree
> that it's OUR site, not mine, and I will simply be watching over it
> and maintaining it. There will be free web space for all Piet people,
> no questions asked. Please dont make a big deal out of it, only do
> what you all think the site is worth to you.
>
> > Ok I will do it. Send me an e-mail not to the board with the ammount
> you
> > can donate. No donation will be refused Large or small! I will keep a
> > running tab and let every one know how much we have. When the pledges
> > are raised we can all send our checks to Richard. If you have
> equipment
> > to donate GREAT! please clear it through Richard though to make
> shure he
> > can use it. I will co ordinate this but Plaese don't send me the
> checks
> > We can all send them directly to Richard. I will post a list of
> names of
> > doners you may be anonomous if you wish. We can do this!!! It's not
> just
> > for Richard but for all of our benifit.
> >
> > John Duprey
> > Duprey(at)mailexcite.com
> >
>
> ==
> http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
>
> "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Hart <rhart(at)cyllene.uwa.edu.au> |
G'day troops
Larry:
>Seems that you've struck the Heartbeat of America thing... >
>
Hey, what about Heartbeat of Australia? Richard, the tyranny of distance
rears its ugly head, but us true blue oz types applaud your efforts. Good on
ya mate. Are oz $ any good to you?
Rob
Oz Piets: Nearly the only ones to fly inverted...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Ragan <lragan(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Save Richards site!!! |
Count me in!
>From: John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com>
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Re: Save Richards site!!!
>Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:15:42 -0500
>
>RGASKIN wrote:
>>
>> John Duprey wrote:
>> >
>> > Richard: I think I speak for most of us when I say " We do care"
Your site
>> > is an insperation and a valuable source of usefull information to
builders.
>> > How much do you need to get back on your feet? I bet we would all
be willing
>> > to put our $ where our mouth is, and help out. I will happily kick
in what I
>> > can.
>> >
>> > John Duprey
>> >
>> >
>> > > For those who care, my Pietenpol site is offline until further
notice.
>> > > The machine it lived on has completely died, and until I can
afford a
>> > > new machine, so has the site.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks to all who have posted positive feedback. I will make
every
>> > > effort to get it back asap.
>> > >
>> > > As soon as I do, it will be accessed via www.aircamper.org, and I
will
>> > > have free web space for anyone who is a piet
enthusiast/builder/owner.
>> > >
>> > > I hope its soon. Sorry for the inconvenience.
>> > >
>> > > Richard
>> > >
>> > > ==
>> > > http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
>> > > Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
>> > > http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
>> > >
>> > > "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by
God."
>> > -Gordon Baxter
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > "the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________________
>> John, I now have $20.00 ear-marked to help get Richards site back on
>> line. Are there others ready to help? John, if you would coordinate
>> this, it could happen.
>> May you be blessed with a tailwind. Randy Gaskins
>
>
>Ok I will do it. Send me an e-mail not to the board with the ammount
you
>can donate. No donation will be refused Large or small! I will keep a
>running tab and let every one know how much we have. When the pledges
>are raised we can all send our checks to Richard. If you have equipment
>to donate GREAT! please clear it through Richard though to make shure
he
>can use it. I will co ordinate this but Plaese don't send me the checks
>We can all send them directly to Richard. I will post a list of names
of
>doners you may be anonomous if you wish. We can do this!!! It's not
just
>for Richard but for all of our benifit.
>
>John Duprey
>Duprey(at)mailexcite.com
Larry Ragan
Jacksonville, Fl.
lragan(at)hotmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
More info on the home video I put together on NX48MC
can be found below on Grant MacLaren's BPA website.
It's a mixture of flying, building, a walk around of the
finished airplane.
Mike C.
http://users.aol.com/bpabpabpa/cuyvideo.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Leather Helmets and Silk Scarves |
Gordon,
I know what you mean. My open cockpit Minimax
'Maggie Mae' flies much better since I began wearing a
leather helmet instead of a bone dome and its high
rate of climb is definitely due to its silver paint;
its a happy aircraft.
I'm going to miss the helmet in 'Maggie Mae II' the
Jodel D18 I'm building now. Maybe I'll leave the
sliding canopy open and wear the leather helmet and
goggles.
Happy flying to all,
Leo
--
On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 07:08:12 arkiesacres wrote:
>I bought a set of Black Leather Goggles from a Harley shop years back for
>riding, WW1 style.
>
>So someday I'm going to build a WW1 Airplane around them.
>
>Gordon
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael King <mikek(at)nstar.net> |
Gracias Gary,
Here in Dallas there are several rich pilots.....
I am not one of them, but I will keep that
resource in mind too. Good idea.
I just received an email from Wilkerson Tires
in Virginia.....
==================
600-6 retreads are 36.00 each which includes ground freight.
Tubes are 31.00 each.
Both are in stock and ready to ship.
Have a good week!
Jim Wilkerson
==============
Wilkerson was a suggestions from one of the group members.
I found their site, sent an email, and the reply was within a few
hours. Not a bad price for tires, but I feel the tubes could be
a little less expensive.
Thanks for the input Gary.
Best regards,
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Dallas
>One comment:
>
>A sport pilot (weekends) flys about 50 hours a year, so here we use "left
>over" tyres from the "rich pilots" or airtaxis, we have several homebuilts
>here that have several years flying before the tread of the tyre disapears
>(lots of rubber left for fun flying).
>
>Some of them are even given for free, thats a deal.
>
>Saludos
>
>Gary Gower
>
>
>>Buy recaps from either Hawkins or Wilkerson. They both advertise in TAP.
>>Price should be in the $30 range + shipping. They last a lot longer than
>>new tires!
>>
>>Michael King wrote:
>>
>>> Say Gang,
>>>
>>> Anybody know a good place to locate new
>>> tires? My GN-1 has Cub gear and needs
>>> a couple of 6:00 x 6....prefer 6ply tires and
>>> tubes.
>>>
>>> I have a Wag Aero book, but thought somebody
>>> knows of better prices for the same quality tires
>>> and tubes.
>>>
>>> Doing some Spring cleaning and want to start
>>> the season off with fresh rubber. It is going to
>>> be a busy spring / summer.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance...
>>>
>>> Mike King
>>> GN-1
>>> 77MK
>>> Dallas
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>
***
>>
>>David B.Schober, CPE
>>Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
>>Fairmont State College
>>National Aerospace Education Center
>>Rt. 3 Box 13
>>Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503
>>(304) 842-8300
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <duprey(at)excite.com> |
Hi Rob: I am rallying the troops on the effort to raise $$ for Richards
Pietenpol site, We can use any kind of $$, even the upside down kind you
guys use down under (lol) Just let me know how much you would like to pledge
(If you know what the exchange rate is let me know), and send a check or
M.O. to Richard, I will post his adress on the Discussion group. Thanks for
offering to help.
I would love to hear more about your Piet, and see photos if you can scan
them.
Thanks
John Duprey
> G'day troops
>
> Larry:
>
> >Seems that you've struck the Heartbeat of America thing... >
> >
>
>
> Hey, what about Heartbeat of Australia? Richard, the tyranny of distance
> rears its ugly head, but us true blue oz types applaud your efforts. Good
on
> ya mate. Are oz $ any good to you?
>
> Rob
> Oz Piets: Nearly the only ones to fly inverted...
"the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | arkiesacres(at)juno.com |
| Subject: | Re: Leather Helmets and Silk Scarves |
I have plans for the UL Piet right now and that is the closes I am going
to get to a WW1 fighter, May do it up in Military Aircraft Paint.
My wife thinks I am crazy when she see's me sitting at my builders table
with my WW1 Goggles on and making funny noises.
She Say's " Oh thought one of the GrandKids was in here"
I would love to donate to the sick computer thing but I can't even get to
a URL Web site with this email only service.
Gordon
<leo_powning@my-dejanews.com> writes:
>Gordon,
>I know what you mean. My open cockpit Minimax
> 'Maggie Mae' flies much better since I began wearing a
> leather helmet instead of a bone dome and its high
> rate of climb is definitely due to its silver paint;
> its a happy aircraft.
>I'm going to miss the helmet in 'Maggie Mae II' the
> Jodel D18 I'm building now. Maybe I'll leave the
> sliding canopy open and wear the leather helmet and
> goggles.
>Happy flying to all,
>Leo
>--
>
>On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 07:08:12 arkiesacres wrote:
>>I bought a set of Black Leather Goggles from a Harley shop years back
>for
>>riding, WW1 style.
>>
>>So someday I'm going to build a WW1 Airplane around them.
>>
>>Gordon
>
>
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>http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Hotline from Grant |
Here is the latest info posted on Grant's BPA
website for all you intrepid aviators planning on
making the Osh/Brodhead trip.
Mike C.
Possible schedule as of this writing:
Hartford,
masse"
checked
is
Here is the latest info posted on Grant's BPA
website for all you intrepid aviators planning on
making the Osh/Brodhead trip.
Mike C.
Possible schedule as of this writing:
July 27 - Tuesday. - All day - Piets gather at Hartford,
Wisconsin. (The FBO at Hartford is Jud Kuenitzer,
phone 414-673-5350. Camping permited on field but
no showers. Nearby motels include Super 8,
800-843-1991 - Silver Bell, 414-673-2232 - American
Motel, 800-643-3444. Info. by Bill Rewey)
July 28 - Wednesday. - Morning - Piets fly en masse
to Oshkosh about 11:00 am, as late as 1:00 pm.*
Afternoon - 2:30 pm., Piet Forum by Bill Rewey
Evening - Approximately 8:40 pm., Piet Gathering
Presentation at Theater In The Woods.
July 29 - Thursday. - Afternoon - Piets fly in Show
Case apx. 2:00 pm. Some depart for Brodhead.**
July 30 - Friday - First day of Brodhead Pietenpol
Reunion. Apx. 1:00 pm - Powder Coating forum.
July 30 - Saturday - Second day of Brodhead
Pietenpol Reunion.
Aug. 1 - Sunday - Third and last day of Brodhead
Pietenpol Reunion. AirVenture continues through
Aug. 3.
*If you are one of the Piet Fleet and have not yet
checked
in with Michael Cuy, do so ASAP. Email
Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov Phone 330-483-3690
(home) or 216-433-3159 (work) He will get your name and
address and mail you information on obtaining a no-radio
clearance and the NOTAM package from the FAA. (Many
already know this simple procedure, but Mike's not taking
any chances. Instructions for obtaining this information is
also published in Sport Aviation.)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Les Lampman <lblampman(at)bigfoot.com> |
| Subject: | Leo Powning - Questions for you |
Hi Leo,
Want to send you email direct but can't seem to get my mail program to do
that.
Could you email me at lblampman(at)bigfoot.com so I can reply?
Thanks to the LIST for this intrusion!
Les
-----Original Message-----
Powning
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 5:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Leather Helmets and Silk Scarves
Gordon,
I know what you mean. My open cockpit Minimax
'Maggie Mae' flies much better since I began wearing a
leather helmet instead of a bone dome and its high
rate of climb is definitely due to its silver paint;
its a happy aircraft.
I'm going to miss the helmet in 'Maggie Mae II' the
Jodel D18 I'm building now. Maybe I'll leave the
sliding canopy open and wear the leather helmet and
goggles.
Happy flying to all,
Leo
--
On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 07:08:12 arkiesacres wrote:
>I bought a set of Black Leather Goggles from a Harley shop years back for
>riding, WW1 style.
>
>So someday I'm going to build a WW1 Airplane around them.
>
>Gordon
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Hannan <khannan(at)gte.net> |
Richard If you can build you own system, I can get the parts? I have and
account with a wholesale parts supplier send me a want list I will donate as
much as I can.
Ken Hannan
Toll Free 1-888-693-2496
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
Ken,
If this works for you, let me know what I can contribute for parts for
Richard. Enjoy his site very much, for information, entertainment and
inspiration.
Warren
Ken Hannan wrote:
> Richard If you can build you own system, I can get the parts? I have and
> account with a wholesale parts supplier send me a want list I will donate as
> much as I can.
>
> Ken Hannan
> Toll Free 1-888-693-2496
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Wayne and Kathy <ktokarz(at)incentre.net> |
robert hensarling wrote:
>
> I recently traded for a GN-1, and hopefully it should be delivered to my
> hometown of Uvalde, Texas, within the next week or two, depending on
> weather. I'm interested in finding a catalog on vintage flying apparel,
> such as the leather helmets, goggles, etc.
>
> Any help is appreciated!
> Robert Hensarling
> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> Uvalde, Texas
I have a local guy that makes leather helmuts. Very nice stuff and good
price. contact me directly for more info.
Wayne Tokarz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
Friends,
When the "Built Richard's Site Campaign" is ready, and settled, please let
all of us know, I am sure all "Piet Fans" will like to contribute as much as
possible, I Can send some Pesos converted to Dolars from here. Great site
with lots of inspirations for pilots, dreamers and wanabes...
Saludos
Gary Gower
>Ken,
> If this works for you, let me know what I can contribute for parts for
>Richard. Enjoy his site very much, for information, entertainment and
>inspiration.
>Warren
>
>Ken Hannan wrote:
>
>> Richard If you can build you own system, I can get the parts? I have and
>> account with a wholesale parts supplier send me a want list I will donate as
>> much as I can.
>>
>> Ken Hannan
>> Toll Free 1-888-693-2496
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dean Dayton <deandayton(at)hotmail.com> |
I just bought an ELT for my Horizon2 (the previous owner didn't include
one in the sale). The antenna that came with it is about two feet long
and (according to the instructions) is supposed to be mounted near
vertical and externally. I this really necessary? I don't seem to
remember seeing an antenna sticking up on most Piets (was I not paying
attention?). The Horizon2 is wood and fabric so there are no spam can
considerations.
Dean Dayton - deandayton(at)hotmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | arkiesacres(at)juno.com |
I'm not on the full Internet at the moment but plan to be later so I will
donate some also. But I am building a Little Piet so my donation may be
small:-)
When I was on the Internet I did see his old web site and I think it was
just the greatest.
I wonder if he can use the free web sites like I have used in the past?
IT only makes you read some junk when you log in.
I don't know much about this stuff as I retired as a Computer Spec 5 yrs
ago and the Technology is sure going fast forward.
Gordon
RW1 UL Piet
writes:
>Ken,
> If this works for you, let me know what I can contribute for parts
>for
>Richard. Enjoy his site very much, for information, entertainment and
>inspiration.
>Warren
>
>Ken Hannan wrote:
>
>> Richard If you can build you own system, I can get the parts? I have
>and
>> account with a wholesale parts supplier send me a want list I will
>donate as
>> much as I can.
>>
>> Ken Hannan
>> Toll Free 1-888-693-2496
>
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Wayne and Kathy <ktokarz(at)incentre.net> |
Dean Dayton wrote:
>
> I just bought an ELT for my Horizon2 (the previous owner didn't include
> one in the sale). The antenna that came with it is about two feet long
> and (according to the instructions) is supposed to be mounted near
> vertical and externally. I this really necessary? I don't seem to
> remember seeing an antenna sticking up on most Piets (was I not paying
> attention?). The Horizon2 is wood and fabric so there are no spam can
> considerations.
>
> Dean Dayton - deandayton(at)hotmail.com
>
HI Dean , No you do not need to mount the antenna externally, however
you do have a problem that "spam cans" don't, thats a good ground. To
overcome this you will need to mount a piece of alumunum in the belly
and use it as your "ground plane" . This will need to be at least 18ins
sq. This is the same problem that composites have. I think that most
people just make a tray and mount it on top of the lower longerons and
use it to mount both the ELT and it's antenna. The size is aproximate
and certainly may be larger. Hope this helps.
Happy landings Wayne Tokarz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dean Dayton <deandayton(at)hotmail.com> |
Looks like I need to replace the tailwheel on my Horizon2. It's roughly
the same weight as a Piet. Anybody know of a good source?
Dean Dayton - deandayton(at)hotmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Wayne and Kathy <ktokarz(at)incentre.net> |
Dean Dayton wrote:
>
> Looks like I need to replace the tailwheel on my Horizon2. It's roughly
> the same weight as a Piet. Anybody know of a good source?
>
> Dean Dayton - deandayton(at)hotmail.com
>
Use the castors that are available at industial and auto supply houses.
they have sealed bearings, come in an infinite number of sizes. Best
part is that they are cheap.
Wayne Tokarz
________________________________________________________________________________
Yes, I plan on building one. Much more economical that way. Larry Neal
has already donated 128 MB of ram for it. Thanks Larry!!
Want list? Hmmm.... Theres really only three things needed at this point
to get the server "undead": A hard drive (I guess they dont make any
smaller than 4 gig now?), a motherboard, and a processor (whatever is
available that is compatible with each other).
Many thanks!
Richard
--- Ken Hannan wrote:
> Richard If you can build you own system, I can get the parts? I have
> and
> account with a wholesale parts supplier send me a want list I will
> donate as
> much as I can.
>
> Ken Hannan
> Toll Free 1-888-693-2496
>
>
>
===
http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
Richard D. wrote:
to get the server "undead": A hard drive (I guess they dont make any
>smaller than 4 gig now?),
Richard- Exactly. We use 486 cpu's here at work to run our test rigs
and just this month 2 of the drives crashed. Guess what ? They don't
sell anything anymore smaller than 4 gigabytes of memory !! (and that
won't work with these 4 year old systems. We end up looking for computer
'turn-ins' here to yank the older, smaller hard drives out of to use when
we have a downed unit.
Mike C.
Richard D. wrote:
to get the server undead: A hard drive (I guess they dont
make any
smaller than 4 gig now?),
Richard- Exactly. We use 486 cpu's here at work to run our test
rigs
and just this month 2 of the drives crashed. Guess what ?
They don't
sell anything anymore smaller than 4 gigabytes of memory !!
(and that
won't work with these 4 year old systems. We end up looking for
computer
'turn-ins' here to yank the older, smaller hard drives out of to use
when
we have a downed unit.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <duprey(at)excite.com> |
| Subject: | Richard's Pietenpol Page |
Hi Richard & everybody:
We are off to a good start with several people offering Richard equipment
and a number of cash pledges comming in, I will post a list of donators and
a cash total tonight or tommorow. As of last night we were around $80.00
with several people offering $$ but uncertian about the ammount. So lets
call it $80+ and some equipment. Hopefully soon The new Server will be built
and running!
Please Send the conations to:
Richard DeCosta
369 Gorham Rd.
Scarborough ME
04074
Thanks
John Duprey
"the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Hart <rhart(at)cyllene.uwa.edu.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Richard's Pietenpol Page |
>
>Please Send the conations to:
>Richard DeCosta
>369 Gorham Rd.
>Scarborough ME
>04074
>
>Thanks
>John Duprey
$20 on its way to you Richard, sometime soon. Being forwarded from Bro' in
AZ. Goodonya.
Rob
Oz Piets: Nearly the only ones to fly inverted...
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Richard's Pietenpol Page |
Wow, this group is amazing. Thanks guys! Wont be long now!!
--- Rob Hart wrote:
>
> >
> >Please Send the conations to:
> >Richard DeCosta
> >369 Gorham Rd.
> >Scarborough ME
> >04074
> >
> >Thanks
> >John Duprey
>
>
> $20 on its way to you Richard, sometime soon. Being forwarded from
> Bro' in
> AZ. Goodonya.
>
> Rob
> Oz Piets: Nearly the only ones to fly inverted...
>
>
===
http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Hannan <khannan(at)gte.net> |
Richard
will the Intel Celeron 333MHz CPU & Motherboard, work for you ? and is
the ram 168 pin ?
If this works for you I can UPS it out on Friday.
also the smallest hard drive I can get is a 4.3 GB will that work?
Ken Hannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard DeCosta
Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 4:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: site
>Yes, I plan on building one. Much more economical that way. Larry Neal
>has already donated 128 MB of ram for it. Thanks Larry!!
>
>Want list? Hmmm.... Theres really only three things needed at this point
>to get the server "undead": A hard drive (I guess they dont make any
>smaller than 4 gig now?), a motherboard, and a processor (whatever is
>available that is compatible with each other).
>
>Many thanks!
>Richard
>
>
>--- Ken Hannan wrote:
>> Richard If you can build you own system, I can get the parts? I have
>> and
>> account with a wholesale parts supplier send me a want list I will
>> donate as
>> much as I can.
>>
>> Ken Hannan
>> Toll Free 1-888-693-2496
>>
>>
>>
>
>===
>http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
>Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
>http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
>
>"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon
Baxter
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
>Looks like I need to replace the tailwheel on my Horizon2. It's roughly
>the same weight as a Piet. Anybody know of a good source?
>
You just found the PERFECT excuse to tell your wife you "need" to go to Sun
& Fun or to Oshkosh to the flea market. :-) :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <duprey(at)excite.com> |
Guys... If you are buildng a Piet or just dreaming about it this tape is a
MUST. Filled with good construction tips, Close up details of Mikes
beautifull Piet, and the flying scenes are a blast! This tape is a small
investment in building a quality ship.
John Duprey
> More info on the home video I put together on NX48MC
> can be found below on Grant MacLaren's BPA website.
> It's a mixture of flying, building, a walk around of the
> finished airplane.
>
> Mike C.
>
> http://users.aol.com/bpabpabpa/cuyvideo.html
"the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Richard's Pietenpol Page |
-----Original Message-----
From: John Duprey <duprey(at)excite.com>
Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 7:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Richard's Pietenpol Page
Hi list. I'm the newby on the list, so sites like this are how people like
me learn. I'm sending in my contribution today. I appreciate all the help
I've received from Michael Cuy, and many of the other list members also,
you're all a great group! My newly aquired GN-1 was to be delivered
tomorrow from Kansas, but the weather won't let this happen. Being the very
patient type, I'll happily wait till the next "window". In the meantime,
I'll continue "lurking" the different sites, learning from the group, and
dream a little about my up and coming first flight in my GN.
Robert (in Texas) Hensarling
>
>
>Hi Richard & everybody:
>
>We are off to a good start with several people offering Richard equipment
>and a number of cash pledges comming in, I will post a list of donators and
>a cash total tonight or tommorow. As of last night we were around $80.00
>with several people offering $$ but uncertian about the ammount. So lets
>call it $80+ and some equipment. Hopefully soon The new Server will be
built
>and running!
>
>Please Send the conations to:
>Richard DeCosta
>369 Gorham Rd.
>Scarborough ME
>04074
>
>Thanks
>John Duprey
>"the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
>
>
>_______________________________________________________
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com> |
Hi Gang: With many generous contributions comming in we have allready
gotten pledges for $180.00 not to mention some offers of hardware.
John Duprey
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Neal <llneal(at)earthlink.ten> |
Ken,
I'm shipping 128mb (in two sticks) of standard EDO memory. Fits up to 400mhz.
I'm not sure, but it's highly probable that we've got a good match with your
motherboard.
If you can verify fine, but I'd suggest that we ship now and sort out later.
Mine's on the way. I'm trying for drives as well, but no luck so far.
I will sort through the home stash and see what Nic's, video card etc surface.
Richard knows what he's doing. I suggest that we all forward goodies and let
him sort out what does not fit.
*Every one! Make Sure that You send Documentation with Your Piet Donation!*
Larry
Ken Hannan wrote:
> Richard
> will the Intel Celeron 333MHz CPU & Motherboard, work for you ? and is
> the ram 168 pin ?
> If this works for you I can UPS it out on Friday.
> also the smallest hard drive I can get is a 4.3 GB will that work?
>
> Ken Hannan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard DeCosta
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 4:36 AM
> Subject: Re: site
>
> >Yes, I plan on building one. Much more economical that way. Larry Neal
> >has already donated 128 MB of ram for it. Thanks Larry!!
> >
> >Want list? Hmmm.... Theres really only three things needed at this point
> >to get the server "undead": A hard drive (I guess they dont make any
> >smaller than 4 gig now?), a motherboard, and a processor (whatever is
> >available that is compatible with each other).
> >
> >Many thanks!
> >Richard
> >
> >
> >--- Ken Hannan wrote:
> >> Richard If you can build you own system, I can get the parts? I have
> >> and
> >> account with a wholesale parts supplier send me a want list I will
> >> donate as
> >> much as I can.
> >>
> >> Ken Hannan
> >> Toll Free 1-888-693-2496
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >===
> >http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> >Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> >http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
> >
> >"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon
> Baxter
> >
> >
> >
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Pietenpol Fly-In at Benton KS |
Announcing the 1st annual Pietenpol Fly-In, at Benton Airport, on Sept
11,1999. Benton KS is about 10 miles northeast of Wichita KS. The 2600'
hard surface 36/18 runway is in fair condition, with a grass strip on the west
side that is about 2000'. There is no forum, just lots of interesting
discussions are planned. We will probably have some stuff like ribs, jigs,
misc. parts, and info on how to order the plans from Don Pietenpol. An
informal gathering of anyone interested in a seeing replicas of the design
that is the grandfather of all homebuilt planes. There should be at least
five Pietenpol airplanes there, four Model A, and one Corvair powered model.
Three of these are airworthy. The Ford Model A car club also plans to
attend, with 20 to 30 Model A cars planning to attend.
No camping is allowed on the airport, for the simple reason that there
is no
restroom facilities, except for the bathroom in the office, however we are
looking into renting a porta-john. Camping is available at Sante Fe Lake,
about 5 miles southeast of Benton. Their rates are $4.00 / night, and for a
motorhome it will set ya back $10.00. There is a new motel near Jabara
Airport, which is about 8 miles to the west of Benton.
If ya can't e-mail me with your questions call me, Chuck Gantzer,at
316-262-3392 in the evenings. Or call Doug Bryant at 316-733-2324.
Chuck Gantzer
Wichita KS
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Hannan <khannan(at)gte.net> |
Richard
I shipped it out last night and you should see it by Wednesday The UPS
tracer # is 1Z9476E10310051366
Here's a list of what is in the box
1 AT Case
1 Motherboard with built in video & sound & 56k modem
1 32 Mb pc100 168 pin memory
1 Celeron 333 MHz processor with fan
1 4.3 GB Western Digital IDE UDMA
Merry Christmas
Ken Hannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Neal <llneal(at)earthlink.ten>
Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 10:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: site
>Ken,
>
>I'm shipping 128mb (in two sticks) of standard EDO memory. Fits up to
400mhz.
>I'm not sure, but it's highly probable that we've got a good match with
your
>motherboard.
>If you can verify fine, but I'd suggest that we ship now and sort out
later.
>Mine's on the way. I'm trying for drives as well, but no luck so far.
>I will sort through the home stash and see what Nic's, video card etc
surface.
>Richard knows what he's doing. I suggest that we all forward goodies and
let
>him sort out what does not fit.
>
>*Every one! Make Sure that You send Documentation with Your Piet Donation!*
instructions....
>
>Larry
>
>
>Ken Hannan wrote:
>
>> Richard
>> will the Intel Celeron 333MHz CPU & Motherboard, work for you ? and is
>> the ram 168 pin ?
>> If this works for you I can UPS it out on Friday.
>> also the smallest hard drive I can get is a 4.3 GB will that work?
>>
>> Ken Hannan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Richard DeCosta
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 4:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: site
>>
>> >Yes, I plan on building one. Much more economical that way. Larry Neal
>> >has already donated 128 MB of ram for it. Thanks Larry!!
>> >
>> >Want list? Hmmm.... Theres really only three things needed at this point
>> >to get the server "undead": A hard drive (I guess they dont make any
>> >smaller than 4 gig now?), a motherboard, and a processor (whatever is
>> >available that is compatible with each other).
>> >
>> >Many thanks!
>> >Richard
>> >
>> >
>> >--- Ken Hannan wrote:
>> >> Richard If you can build you own system, I can get the parts? I have
>> >> and
>> >> account with a wholesale parts supplier send me a want list I will
>> >> donate as
>> >> much as I can.
>> >>
>> >> Ken Hannan
>> >> Toll Free 1-888-693-2496
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >===
>> >http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
>> >Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
>> >http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
>> >
>> >"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by
God." -Gordon
>> Baxter
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Richard's Pietenpol Page |
Robert, where did you get you GN-1? A guy I know just sold one in southern
Kansas. Thought it might be his. I'm not sure who bought it. It's a VERY
sweet plane. Also interested in what you have to pay for a GN-1? If you don't
mind. I've been talking to a couple of gentlemen about planes, one a true Piet
and the other a GN-1. They're prices are very different. Just curious.
Thanks,
Greg Yotz
robert hensarling wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Duprey <duprey(at)excite.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 7:59 AM
> Subject: Richard's Pietenpol Page
>
> Hi list. I'm the newby on the list, so sites like this are how people like
> me learn. I'm sending in my contribution today. I appreciate all the help
> I've received from Michael Cuy, and many of the other list members also,
> you're all a great group! My newly aquired GN-1 was to be delivered
> tomorrow from Kansas, but the weather won't let this happen. Being the very
> patient type, I'll happily wait till the next "window". In the meantime,
> I'll continue "lurking" the different sites, learning from the group, and
> dream a little about my up and coming first flight in my GN.
>
> Robert (in Texas) Hensarling
>
> >
> >
> >Hi Richard & everybody:
> >
> >We are off to a good start with several people offering Richard equipment
> >and a number of cash pledges comming in, I will post a list of donators and
> >a cash total tonight or tommorow. As of last night we were around $80.00
> >with several people offering $$ but uncertian about the ammount. So lets
> >call it $80+ and some equipment. Hopefully soon The new Server will be
> built
> >and running!
> >
> >Please Send the conations to:
> >Richard DeCosta
> >369 Gorham Rd.
> >Scarborough ME
> >04074
> >
> >Thanks
> >John Duprey
> >"the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________________
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Ragan <lragan(at)hotmail.com> |
Since my Oshkosh/Brodhead plans came crashing to a halt last nite, I'm
having to resign myself to just Sun n Fun this year. Anyone going with
their Piet?
The last time I talked with W. Wynne,(The Corvair Authority) he was
planning on having a booth, so if anyone is there with interest in
Corvair power, keep an eye out for him.
Larry Ragan
Jacksonville, Fl.
lragan(at)hotmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
With this computer on its way from Ken (holey moley!) I am also getting
a few new sections to the site ready for the "grand re-opening".
1. A searchable FAQ
This will have answers to questions like, "Can I use 3-ply plywood on
the fiselage", "Where can I find a Model A Engine", etc...
2. Searchable member directory/project database
This will let you share your general info and project progress (or
pics of your finished Piet) with web visitors. This will be automated,
so you will be able to log in anytime day or night to update text,
upload/delete images, etc...
3. Free, searchable classifieds
and a few things Im not quite finished planning yet.
As if all your generosity wasnt enough, If we could get a few
volunteers, we can get the content portion of the site pushed up a
notch: People to add faq (frequently asked questions) via a form on the
site. Most of know a lot more than I do! , and people to help me
re-classify the almost 500 images that are on the site (via web forms).
This will start sometime late next week I think). Finally, people to
write short how-to articles, like "Tips on rebuilding your Ford 'A'" or
"Making wire wheels".
All of those forms will be easily accessed on the site, so you dont need
to remember they are there.
If all goes well, the site should be back up within a couple weeks.
Thanks all!
--- Ken Hannan wrote:
> Richard
> I shipped it out last night and you should see it by Wednesday The
> UPS
> tracer # is 1Z9476E10310051366
> Here's a list of what is in the box
> 1 AT Case
> 1 Motherboard with built in video & sound & 56k modem
> 1 32 Mb pc100 168 pin memory
> 1 Celeron 333 MHz processor with fan
> 1 4.3 GB Western Digital IDE UDMA
>
> Merry Christmas
>
> Ken Hannan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Neal <llneal(at)earthlink.ten>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 10:28 PM
> Subject: Re: site
>
>
> >Ken,
> >
> >I'm shipping 128mb (in two sticks) of standard EDO memory. Fits up
> to
> 400mhz.
> >I'm not sure, but it's highly probable that we've got a good match
> with
> your
> >motherboard.
> >If you can verify fine, but I'd suggest that we ship now and sort
out
> later.
> >Mine's on the way. I'm trying for drives as well, but no luck so
> far.
> >I will sort through the home stash and see what Nic's, video card
etc
> surface.
> >Richard knows what he's doing. I suggest that we all forward
goodies
> and
> let
> >him sort out what does not fit.
> >
> >*Every one! Make Sure that You send Documentation with Your Piet
> Donation!*
> instructions....
> >
> >Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >Ken Hannan wrote:
> >
> >> Richard
> >> will the Intel Celeron 333MHz CPU & Motherboard, work for you ?
> and is
> >> the ram 168 pin ?
> >> If this works for you I can UPS it out on Friday.
> >> also the smallest hard drive I can get is a 4.3 GB will that work?
> >>
> >> Ken Hannan
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Richard DeCosta
> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 4:36 AM
> >> Subject: Re: site
> >>
> >> >Yes, I plan on building one. Much more economical that way. Larry
> Neal
> >> >has already donated 128 MB of ram for it. Thanks Larry!!
> >> >
> >> >Want list? Hmmm.... Theres really only three things needed at
this
> point
> >> >to get the server "undead": A hard drive (I guess they dont make
> any
> >> >smaller than 4 gig now?), a motherboard, and a processor
(whatever
> is
> >> >available that is compatible with each other).
> >> >
> >> >Many thanks!
> >> >Richard
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >--- Ken Hannan wrote:
> >> >> Richard If you can build you own system, I can get the parts? I
> have
> >> >> and
> >> >> account with a wholesale parts supplier send me a want list I
> will
> >> >> donate as
> >> >> much as I can.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ken Hannan
> >> >> Toll Free 1-888-693-2496
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >===
> >> >http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> >> >Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> >> >http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
> >> >
> >> >"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by
> God." -Gordon
> >> Baxter
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
===
http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
________________________________________________________________________________
Ref the trip to Oshkosh/Broadhead, since I won't be able to fly my Scout
up, my wife and I will drive up to Hartford for the Tuesday night
gathering then drive on up to Oshkosh till Saturday morning. We will
drive down to Broadhead Saturday morning and return home to Ohio Sunday
AM. I mention this because if someone needs ground transportation or
otherwise gets stuck, I will be there to cart you guys around to make
sure you won't get forgetten or left out in the dark. I have been to
Oshkosh every year since '75 and Broadhead since '86 so we know our way
around those areas. This area of Wisconsin is extrodinarily clean,
rural, friendly and safe. I also will have my trusty 35mm camera and a
camcorder, all of which will wind up on someone's website down the road.
If I can be of any assistance to anyone, please let me know.......
Earl Myers
allaire(at)raex.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Richard's Pietenpol Page |
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com>
Date: Friday, March 26, 1999 8:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Richard's Pietenpol Page
Hi Greg. I traded another plane for the GN-1. It's located in Chanute,
Kansas. I'd be interested in the price of the other GN-1 myself if you find
anything out. The previous owners name is Mike Tevis.
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
>Robert, where did you get you GN-1? A guy I know just sold one in southern
>Kansas. Thought it might be his. I'm not sure who bought it. It's a VERY
>sweet plane. Also interested in what you have to pay for a GN-1? If you
don't
>mind. I've been talking to a couple of gentlemen about planes, one a true
Piet
>and the other a GN-1. They're prices are very different. Just curious.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Greg Yotz
>
>robert hensarling wrote:
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Duprey <duprey(at)excite.com>
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 7:59 AM
>> Subject: Richard's Pietenpol Page
>>
>> Hi list. I'm the newby on the list, so sites like this are how people
like
>> me learn. I'm sending in my contribution today. I appreciate all the
help
>> I've received from Michael Cuy, and many of the other list members also,
>> you're all a great group! My newly aquired GN-1 was to be delivered
>> tomorrow from Kansas, but the weather won't let this happen. Being the
very
>> patient type, I'll happily wait till the next "window". In the
meantime,
>> I'll continue "lurking" the different sites, learning from the group, and
>> dream a little about my up and coming first flight in my GN.
>>
>> Robert (in Texas) Hensarling
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >Hi Richard & everybody:
>> >
>> >We are off to a good start with several people offering Richard
equipment
>> >and a number of cash pledges comming in, I will post a list of donators
and
>> >a cash total tonight or tommorow. As of last night we were around $80.00
>> >with several people offering $$ but uncertian about the ammount. So lets
>> >call it $80+ and some equipment. Hopefully soon The new Server will be
>> built
>> >and running!
>> >
>> >Please Send the conations to:
>> >Richard DeCosta
>> >369 Gorham Rd.
>> >Scarborough ME
>> >04074
>> >
>> >Thanks
>> >John Duprey
>> >"the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________________
>> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | michael list <mclist(at)ptw.com> |
robert hensarling wrote:
>
I'm interested in finding a catalog on vintage flying apparel,
> such as the leather helmets, goggles, etc.
>
> Any help is appreciated!
> Robert Hensarling
Robert,
You can find some nice goggles at this site:
http://www.icc-comm.com/motorcycles/goggles.html
Mike List
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | michael list <mclist(at)ptw.com> |
Finally home and had a few minutes to look at Mike Cuy's video. Wow, is
it great! Lots of good tips, clears up confusion and motivates to get
back to building! What more could you ask for? And if you ever
wondered how to get into the front cockpit, it's in there, too. There
is even music dubbed in for some of the flying scenes, though I thought
the William Tell Overture should have been in there somewhere!
Thanks Mike!
Mike List
________________________________________________________________________________
please
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Hart <robihart(at)rph.health.wa.gov.au> |
unsubscribe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wood Prices? |
WEST WIND HARDWOOD INC.
1-800-667-2275
SIDNEY,B.C.
westwind(at)islandnet.com
Talk to Jan pronounced Yon he very knowledgeable
and has sold wood for aircraft construction before. Also
there 1/16" or 1.5 mm baltic birtch is good stuff and there
okoume plywood (used for kayak construction) is priced right.
the 1/4" or 6 mm is 5 ply of equal lamanates the 3 mm has
a some pin knots. Also there's a lumber yard called
Morrison's just north of West Plain Mo, that sells baltic
birtch plywood for about $12 a sheet, Its strong my personal
belief is it's ok for aircraft construction,this is not a science
just my belief.
also you can check with edensaw woods they have ply and
douglas fir boat and you can do a search on the internet.
-----Original Message-----
From: lpasley <lpasley(at)aristotle.net>
Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 8:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Prices?
>Sounds good. Where did you find it?
>Thanks, Larry
>
>----------
>> Look for would prices on the internet I got 160 bf of boat lumber
>> Doug fir and enough plywood to build two Piet's for 1500.00
>> this includes shipping, i'm well pleased!
>>
>>
>> Russell
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net>
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Date: Saturday, February 13, 1999 3:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: Wood Prices?
>>
>>
>> >>I have a couple (few) of questions that I would like answered before I
>> >>start building. Thanks in advance for your help.
>> >> 1- What does it cost build the Piet with spruce? What about other
>> >>recomended woods and their cost?
>> >
>> >Randy,
>> >Below is part of a note I sent a while back when I was researching
>> >wood prices.
>> >
>> >I will be placing my order shortly for all of the spruce in one shot.
>> >Corporate bonus amount was announced, check should be here next
>> >week. Yipeeeee!!!!!
>> >
>> >When I get a final price including shipping I will post it.
>> >
>> >Dave
>> >
>> >--------------------------------
>> >
>> >>Jean Peters at Western Aircraft Supplies
>> >>Calgary, Alberta Canada
>> >>(403)250-1955
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >I talked to Jean Peters today. In $US his prices are $686 for a
>> >fuselage and tail kit and $862 for a wing kit. This is for spruce
>> >only. Plywood and everything else are not included. Add a $30
>> >crating charge and shipping. He uses Delta and ships by air because
>> >it is cheaper than trucking. I was given a 4 day lead time. Credit
>> >cards are not accepted (good thing for me). He wants to see a
>> >postal money order or some sort of guaranteed check. Seemed like
>> >a good person to me. He did offer to do a rib kit or a tail kit
>> >but the quotes were off the top of his head so I am not listing them.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
Thought some one might be interested in my rib test.
Borrowed three tractor wheel weights 95 lbs each and
250 lbs, of barbells. Took rib and glued to test spars
that were about 2' long and set this across saw horse.
I hung all the weight on the rib varying the position
of the weight on the rib. One time I had 200 lb's hanging
on the nose and the remaining weight directly
aft of the front spar. I believe that the rib will with stand
700 to 900 lb's and may borrow some more tractor wheel
weights to see if this is correct. My ribs have a 23012
airfoil and not the original airfoil and are made using
1/4 x 3/8" doug fir cap strips and 1/16 inch birtch ply
and Raka epoxy.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "D.J.H." <ve6zh(at)cnnet.com> |
Think it will be strong enough??????
Doug
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| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
Thought some one might be interested in my rib test.
Borrowed three tractor wheel weights 95 lbs each and
250 lbs, of barbells. Took rib and glued to test spars
that were about 2' long and set this across saw horse.
I hung all the weight on the rib varying the position
of the weight on the rib. One time I had 200 lb's hanging
on the nose and the remaining weight directly
aft of the front spar. I believe that the rib will with stand
700 to 900 lb's and may borrow some more tractor wheel
weights to see if this is correct. My ribs have a 23012
airfoil and not the original airfoil and are made using
1/4 x 3/8" doug fir cap strips and 1/16 inch birtch ply
and Raka epoxy.
________________________________________________________________________________
I'm curious about your airfoil choice. How and why did you decide to go
with that particular one?
Brent Reed
-----Original Message-----
From: kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net>
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Saturday, March 27, 1999 6:07 PM
Subject: rib testing
Thought some one might be interested in my rib test.
Borrowed three tractor wheel weights 95 lbs each and
250 lbs, of barbells. Took rib and glued to test spars
that were about 2' long and set this across saw horse.
I hung all the weight on the rib varying the position
of the weight on the rib. One time I had 200 lb's hanging
on the nose and the remaining weight directly
aft of the front spar. I believe that the rib will with stand
700 to 900 lb's and may borrow some more tractor wheel
weights to see if this is correct. My ribs have a 23012
airfoil and not the original airfoil and are made using
1/4 x 3/8" doug fir cap strips and 1/16 inch birtch ply
and Raka epoxy.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wood Prices? |
I got the call from Jean Peters yesterday (on my birthday!).
My wood has been shipped. According to the tracking number
it was at ATL yesterday. It doesn't show a status this
morning.
For the record - all of the spruce for a Piet was $1578 US
plus shipping. The shipping charge will be $124.60 to
Rochester, NY. Jean was not sure if the shipping price
was in $US or $CDN. After sitting down with the plans
and an AS&S catalog this looks pretty reasonable.
I guess I should have gotten off my duff and ordered the
rib gusset plywood earlier. That order was placed on Friday.
Dave
Gotta loft a rib jig
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| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
Hi List. Well, the weather didn't cooperate this weekend at all, so now the
guy flying my GN to Uvalde from Kansas will try again next Friday. He's a
corporate pilot, and has the luxury of having each Friday, Sat, and Sun off.
As luck would have it, we had very severe weather here last night (Uvalde is
located about 70 miles due West of San Antonio, and our Springtime is always
really active weather wise). The reason this is "lucky" for me, is that the
GN would have been under an open shed if it would have been here, and could
have been damaged by the high winds. The local Aviation Museum has invited
me to keep the GN in their hanger eventually, which will really be nice.
It's an old W.W.II hanger (Garner Field), where my Dad was taught to fly in
PT 19's in 1942. Now he'll once again get to fly in an open cockpit tandem
airplane. We're both looking forward to that! He's 76, and paid for my
flying lessons 32 years ago, so now I finally get to give him something back
in return.
If anyone is interested in seeing my GN, I've posted a couple of photos on
my website. It's www.mesquite-furniture.com , scroll down the homepage to
the heading of aircraft on the bottom left-hand side, then click on that.
The GN is on the bottom row of the photos.
Hope none of you that are East of me get hit by this weather system. It was
pretty intense for a while there last night.
Thanks,
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
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please
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| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
Here's an interesting web site for inexpensive hangars:
http://www.cover-it-inc.com/cover_it.htm
Here's a quote on a 40'x 25' hangar.
Hangar with 2 sidewalls and open ends: $3,075
Front, door end (curtain style door): $1,960.
Most people opt not to buy either end and put up something themselves like
a stud wall. Footings are 5' on center so add in the cost of 12 footings.
The building will end up being 40'x25' to get the 32'-6" wingspan through
the front opening. The 35' one is a tad too short. Door height is 7' with
a peak height of 14'. They can build them larger, smaller in any dimension
up to 60' wide and any any length in 5' incriments. Height can go to 16'
(32 'peak), I believe.
It certainly seems pretty sturdy and I've got an e-mail into Zenith to get
thier opinion.
Ken
robert hensarling wrote:
Hi List. Well, the weather didn't cooperate this weekend at all, so now
the guy flying my GN to Uvalde from Kansas will try again next Friday.
He's a corporate pilot, and has the luxury of having each Friday, Sat, and
Sun off. As luck would have it, we had very severe weather here last
night (Uvalde is located about 70 miles due West of San Antonio, and our
Springtime is always really active weather wise). The reason this is
"lucky" for me, is that the GN would have been under an open shed if it
would have been here, and could have been damaged by the high winds.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:42:57 -0700 (MST)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: f-AA: T-Hangars |
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| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
A friend who I would rather not mention with out his permission
has designed and built several aircraft recommended that if
I wanted a slightly faster cruise it might help, however it has a
sharp break on stall, also I expect a higher glide ratio with
probably some sacrifice in climb rate. This airfoil was used on
the Taylor Craft. You might call it a Pietenpol Speedster, low
and not quit as slow. ONLY TIME WILL TELL !
-----Original Message-----
From: Brent Reed
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Sunday, March 28, 1999 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: rib testing
I'm curious about your airfoil choice. How and why did you decide
to go with that particular one?
Brent Reed
-----Original Message-----
From: kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net>
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Saturday, March 27, 1999 6:07 PM
Subject: rib testing
Thought some one might be interested in my rib test.
Borrowed three tractor wheel weights 95 lbs each and
250 lbs, of barbells. Took rib and glued to test spars
that were about 2' long and set this across saw horse.
I hung all the weight on the rib varying the position
of the weight on the rib. One time I had 200 lb's hanging
on the nose and the remaining weight directly
aft of the front spar. I believe that the rib will with stand
700 to 900 lb's and may borrow some more tractor wheel
weights to see if this is correct. My ribs have a 23012
airfoil and not the original airfoil and are made using
1/4 x 3/8" doug fir cap strips and 1/16 inch birtch ply
and Raka epoxy.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | lpasley <lpasley(at)aristotle.net> |
Yesterday I meet a man that would like to subscribe, but I don't know the
address. Npt long ago I had a sofeware problem and lost all my addresses.
Would someone please give me the address of the site? Thanks, Larry
> please
>
________________________________________________________________________________
I am trying to get off this list and have not been able to convince the list
server to let me go.
Please take me off this list. I am begging. Off the list.
Joe Matthews
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| From: | "D.J.H." <ve6zh(at)cnnet.com> |
Ken,is this Canadian$$??
Doug......
> From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: GN-1
> Date: Sunday, March 28, 1999 10:24 AM
>
> Here's an interesting web site for inexpensive hangars:
>
> http://www.cover-it-inc.com/cover_it.htm
>
> Here's a quote on a 40'x 25' hangar.
>
> Hangar with 2 sidewalls and open ends: $3,075
> Front, door end (curtain style door): $1,960.
>
> Most people opt not to buy either end and put up something themselves
like
> a stud wall. Footings are 5' on center so add in the cost of 12
footings.
> The building will end up being 40'x25' to get the 32'-6" wingspan through
> the front opening. The 35' one is a tad too short. Door height is 7' with
> a peak height of 14'. They can build them larger, smaller in any
dimension
> up to 60' wide and any any length in 5' incriments. Height can go to 16'
> (32 'peak), I believe.
>
> It certainly seems pretty sturdy and I've got an e-mail into Zenith to
get
> thier opinion.
>
> Ken
>
> robert hensarling wrote:
>
> Hi List. Well, the weather didn't cooperate this weekend at all, so now
> the guy flying my GN to Uvalde from Kansas will try again next Friday.
> He's a corporate pilot, and has the luxury of having each Friday, Sat,
and
> Sun off. As luck would have it, we had very severe weather here last
> night (Uvalde is located about 70 miles due West of San Antonio, and our
> Springtime is always really active weather wise). The reason this is
> "lucky" for me, is that the GN would have been under an open shed if it
> would have been here, and could have been damaged by the high winds.
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:42:57 -0700 (MST)
> From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> To: aeronca(at)westmont.edu
> Subject: Re: f-AA: T-Hangars
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: To nail or not to nail, that is the question. |
carefull using expoxy with stainless steel hardware,
check boat builders ,say stainless must breath.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Southwick <ksouth(at)urjet.net>
Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 6:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: To nail or not to nail, that is the question.
>You can get stainless, I believe.
>
>Kevin Southwick
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gandalf <gandalf(at)goldcom.com>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 11:35 PM
>Subject: Re: To nail or not to nail, that is the question.
>
>
>>Is it possible to get brass staples for an air stapler?
>>
>>Ian Holland wrote:
>>
>>> I used the brass aircraft nails and a pair of tweezers and had no
>>> problems. The key issue is the glue drying time. That is more of a
>>> limiting factor than putting in about 150 nails per rib. If I had to do
>>> it over again, I would still use the nails.
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Alan Davenport - gandalf at goldcom dot com
>>A mouse trap placed on top of your wife's alarm clock will
>>prevent her from rolling over and going back to sleep.
>>
>
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| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
I got to looking at the rib layout tonight. I had a copy of
jpg's from Richard DeCosta's site that showed his ribs. As
I looked at them I noticed that there were spar nailer uprights
in his ribs that are not on the BHP plans. The spar uprights
are on the rib template that I got with the plans. I was
going to loft the rib onto the jig to avoid the errors in the
paper template. It is off by 1/8" between the spars. This
got me wondering - a very dangerous thing.
Are there any other differences in the airfoil shown on the
plans and the template?
Should I add the uprights at the spars?
Is the 1/8" error in the distance between the spars anything
to worry about?
Does any of this matter? Should I just 3M77 the template to
a piece of plywood, varnish it, and have at it to make the
rib jig?
Dave
________________________________________________________________________________
Please unsubscribe myself as well.
> unsubscribe
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Dave;
Ref the upright spar nailers in the ribs, those make attaching the ribs to
the spars much easier and will make all the ribs contact the spars at the
same uniform place on the ribs. The original method was to insert those
little wedges under the capstrips for attachment to the spar. The uprights,
to me, are just all around more precise and make assembly simpler......
.....gotta think about the 1/8" error, haven't ran into that before.
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Sunday, March 28, 1999 7:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib Lofting
>I got to looking at the rib layout tonight. I had a copy of
>jpg's from Richard DeCosta's site that showed his ribs. As
>I looked at them I noticed that there were spar nailer uprights
>in his ribs that are not on the BHP plans. The spar uprights
>are on the rib template that I got with the plans. I was
>going to loft the rib onto the jig to avoid the errors in the
>paper template. It is off by 1/8" between the spars. This
>got me wondering - a very dangerous thing.
>
>Are there any other differences in the airfoil shown on the
>plans and the template?
>
>Should I add the uprights at the spars?
>
>Is the 1/8" error in the distance between the spars anything
>to worry about?
>
>Does any of this matter? Should I just 3M77 the template to
>a piece of plywood, varnish it, and have at it to make the
>rib jig?
>
>Dave
>
>
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| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
| Subject: | Re: 1/8th" error |
Is the error the one mentioned in the 1932 Flying and Gliding manual? the 6"
dimension about half way between the spars should be 6 1/8" see page 16 of
the EAA reprint.
Aint nothin' wrong with thinkin'
Note in the original drawings that the gusset plates on each rib position
the rib accurately. the verticals cant add much to the strength of the rib
once it is on the spar.
Bernard was a sharp one!
J Mc
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| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 1/8th" error |
>Is the error the one mentioned in the 1932 Flying and Gliding manual? the 6"
>dimension about half way between the spars should be 6 1/8" see page 16 of
>the EAA reprint.
I don't have the F&G manual yet. I have the builder's manual from
Don Pietenpol. I'll have to see if this was corrected on the plans
that I bought from him.
The error that I found is in the full size template that came with the
plans. Either paper stretch or copier error makes the spacing between
the spars 1/8" too large on the template.
>
>Aint nothin' wrong with thinkin'
Sometimes gets me into trouble with my wife....
>
>Note in the original drawings that the gusset plates on each rib position
>the rib accurately. the verticals cant add much to the strength of the rib
>once it is on the spar.
I hadn't caught that he was doing the alignment with the gusset plates. I
could understand why the extra uprights were on the template. It would
make it a lot easier to line the ribs up on the spars.
>
>Bernard was a sharp one!
>
It does look that way.
>J Mc
>
Dave
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| From: | John Duprey <duprey(at)excite.com> |
Hi Gang:
There is a new computer virus spreading like "wild fire" If you get an
E-mail titled "IMPORTANT MESSAGE FROM..." Followed by the name of someone
you know DELETE IT!! it is a virus. Crashing servers and P.C.'s Once it
infects a system it takes the first 50 names off your E-mail adress book and
sends itself to those people, and says "Important Message From (your name).
Please if you get somthing like this do not open it, Delete it.
John Duprey
"the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: !!Warning !! |
-----Original Message-----
From: John Duprey <duprey(at)excite.com>
Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 7:39 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: !!Warning !!
There was just now a segment on Good Morning America about this Virus. This
thing is shutting down servers and users all across the USA, UK, and Canada.
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
>
>
>Hi Gang:
>There is a new computer virus spreading like "wild fire" If you get an
>E-mail titled "IMPORTANT MESSAGE FROM..." Followed by the name of someone
>you know DELETE IT!! it is a virus. Crashing servers and P.C.'s Once it
>infects a system it takes the first 50 names off your E-mail adress book
and
>sends itself to those people, and says "Important Message From (your name).
>Please if you get somthing like this do not open it, Delete it.
>
>John Duprey
>
>"the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
>
>
>_______________________________________________________
>
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| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
Robert, hope the transport goes well. The GN-1 you got is a great plane! I've
flown in it several times. Mikes taken pretty good care of it. I think the guy
in the picture that you posted on your web site is Jay Tevis, Mike's younger
brother. Is he the one flying it down? He's a good pilot. The Tevis family is
into flying in a big way. 'Dad'(Don) runs an airport in Emporia, Mike the one
at Chanute and Jay is a commercial pilot also. They all trek to Oshkosh every
year and have built and restored many a airpcraft. All three are instructors
and young eagle supporters. I use to fly ultralights with them at Emporia,
since I moved away I still stop in and see Mike and Jay at Chanute.
Good luck with the GN-1.
Greg Yotz
robert hensarling wrote:
> Hi List. Well, the weather didn't cooperate this weekend at all, so now the
> guy flying my GN to Uvalde from Kansas will try again next Friday. He's a
> corporate pilot, and has the luxury of having each Friday, Sat, and Sun off.
> As luck would have it, we had very severe weather here last night (Uvalde is
> located about 70 miles due West of San Antonio, and our Springtime is always
> really active weather wise). The reason this is "lucky" for me, is that the
> GN would have been under an open shed if it would have been here, and could
> have been damaged by the high winds. The local Aviation Museum has invited
> me to keep the GN in their hanger eventually, which will really be nice.
> It's an old W.W.II hanger (Garner Field), where my Dad was taught to fly in
> PT 19's in 1942. Now he'll once again get to fly in an open cockpit tandem
> airplane. We're both looking forward to that! He's 76, and paid for my
> flying lessons 32 years ago, so now I finally get to give him something back
> in return.
>
> If anyone is interested in seeing my GN, I've posted a couple of photos on
> my website. It's www.mesquite-furniture.com , scroll down the homepage to
> the heading of aircraft on the bottom left-hand side, then click on that.
> The GN is on the bottom row of the photos.
>
> Hope none of you that are East of me get hit by this weather system. It was
> pretty intense for a while there last night.
>
> Thanks,
> Robert Hensarling
> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> Uvalde, Texas
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| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Pilot / Tower Conversations |
Pietenpol Discussion
I know that these are not directly related to the list, but they are quite
humorous. Enjoy
Ken
22 November 1996 -- Any More Complaints?
The controller working a busy pattern told the 727 on downwind to make a
three-sixty (do a complete circle, usually to provide spacing between
aircraft). The pilot of the 727 complained, "Do you know it costs us two
thousand dollars to make a three-sixty in this airplane?"
Without missing a beat the controller replied, "Roger, give me four
thousand dollars worth!"
15 November 1996 -- What the...?!
PSA was following United, taxiing out for departure. PSA called the tower
and said "Tower, this is United 586. We've got a little problem, so go
ahead and let PSA go first". The tower promptly cleared PSA for
takeoff before United had a chance to object to the impersonation!
8 November 1996 -- Which Exit Did You Say That Was?
A DC-10 had an exceedingly long landing roll out after landing with his
approach speed just a little too high.
San Jose Tower: "American 751 Heavy, turn right at the end if able. If not
able, take the Guadeloupe exit off of Highway 101 back to the airport."
1 November 1996 -- Ouch!
Western Airlines had a term for its second officers. The term was "GIB,"
which stood for, "Guy In Back." The term was strictly unofficial and was
actually frowned upon by the management at Western. It seems that some
wise-guy pilot had been browsing through a dictionary and had made the
discovery that a "gib" is a castrated tomcat.
11 October 1996 -- What Is That Thang?
It was a really nice day, right about dusk, and a Piper Malibu was being
vectored into a long line of airliners in order to land at Kansas City. KC
Approach: "Malibu three-two-Charlie, you're following a 727, one
o'clock and three miles."
Three-two-Charlie: "We've got him. We'll follow him."
KC Approach: "Delta 105, your traffic to follow is a Malibu, eleven
o'clock and three miles. Do you have that traffic?"
Delta 105: (long pause and then in a thick southern drawl): "Well ...
I've Got something down there. Can't quite tell if it's a Malibu or a
Chevelle, though."
13 September 1996 -- Mama Didn't Raise No Fools!
Unknown Aircraft: "I'm ***** bored!"
Air Traffic Control: "Last aircraft transmitting, identify yourself
immediately!!"
Unknown Aircraft: "I said I was ***** bored, not ***** stupid!"
28 June 1996 -- No, That's Not What I Said!
O'Hare Approach Control: "United 329, traffic is a Fokker, one o'clock, 3
miles, eastbound."
United 329: "Approach, I've always wanted to say this ... I've got that
Fokker in sight."
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| Subject: | Piet Performance Specs |
Greetings to all mutually helplessly addicted flyers -
A friend of mine (John Peschong) has a hay field which he desires
to place a runway for both part 103 and 61 restricted light airplane.
He wants to build a Murphy Maverick or Rebel, which has some very
good short field performance numbers.
There is about 1900 ft of runway, but with tree clearance and side-side
clearance requirements, the 'official' runway length will likely be
about
1300 ft.
I am trying to put together a list of actual performance numbers
based upon those who have a good feel for the Piet's performance:
1 - GVW field elevation of numbers listed for below
2 - Takeoff Roll distance (paved or turf)
3 - Height at a known distance from start of takeoff roll.
4 - Timed climb from 1000 MSL to 2000 MSL (seconds) at what temp
and/or any other timed climbs
done.
5 - Horsepower of ship, Engine prop pitch/dia info.
6 - EVW of ship
7 - any modifications aerodynamically from the original plans (airfoil,
size...)
The plans simply state '500 ft per minute for the first minute guaranteed,'
but
nothing else concerning performance was given. This was also
for the model A
engine with about 40hp! Most are flying with at least 55-65 hp
and some as
much as 100hp.
Thanks for the help.
David Scott
/--------------------\ |~~\_____/~~\__
|
|DAVID SCOTT |______ \______======
)-+
|scott(at)haulpak.com | o'
~~\|~~~ |
\--------------------/
(O)
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| Subject: | Hi, I'm back. _stevee |
boy you step out for a week and you sure miss the action! Richard, You have
a lot of supporters here... I know that I am late to the game, but if you
need anything I'll gladly see what I can do. I have been at a conference
all last week so not even a chance to check email on the list. Several
wanted info on sub-unsubscriptions and they have been taken care of. Send
requests to me at Steve(at)byu.edu for help. More comments later, I am still
trying to dig out of a weeks worth of work!...
Steve E.
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| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
Sorry, I should have specified. It's in USD.
Ken
On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, D.J.H. wrote:
> Ken,is this Canadian$$??
> Doug......
> > Here's an interesting web site for inexpensive hangars:
> >
> > http://www.cover-it-inc.com/cover_it.htm
> >
> > Here's a quote on a 40'x 25' hangar.
> >
> > Hangar with 2 sidewalls and open ends: $3,075
> > Front, door end (curtain style door): $1,960.
> > Ken
> >
>
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| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Hi, I'm back. _stevee |
Steve,
Just a big thanks for maintaining this service for us...I know the pay is
fantastic, but thought the thanks was necessary anyway....{;
).
Warren
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> boy you step out for a week and you sure miss the action! Richard, You have
> a lot of supporters here... I know that I am late to the game, but if you
> need anything I'll gladly see what I can do. I have been at a conference
> all last week so not even a chance to check email on the list. Several
> wanted info on sub-unsubscriptions and they have been taken care of. Send
> requests to me at Steve(at)byu.edu for help. More comments later, I am still
> trying to dig out of a weeks worth of work!...
>
> Steve E.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David B. Schober" <dbs(at)fscvax.wvnet.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Performance Specs |
How high are the trees at the end. Could it be used as a one way strip
if trees are only at one end? 1900 feet is more than enough for a Piet
if trees aren't a factor. With good aproaches, anything down to about
700 feet would be usable. I've been in and out of 700 feet with a
Tripacer, used to operate a banner operation with cubs out of about 800
feet and have been into 1400 foot strip with the Howard!
David Scott wrote:
> Greetings to all mutually helplessly addicted flyers -
>
> A friend of mine (John Peschong) has a hay field which he desires
> to place a runway for both part 103 and 61 restricted light airplane.
> He wants to build a Murphy Maverick or Rebel, which has some very
> good short field performance numbers.
>
> There is about 1900 ft of runway, but with tree clearance and
> side-side
> clearance requirements, the 'official' runway length will likely be
> about
> 1300 ft.
>
> I am trying to put together a list of actual performance numbers
> based upon those who have a good feel for the Piet's performance:
>
> 1 - GVW & field elevation of numbers listed for below
> 2 - Takeoff Roll distance (paved or turf)
> 3 - Height at a known distance from start of takeoff roll.
> 4 - Timed climb from 1000 MSL to 2000 MSL (seconds) at what temp
> and/or any other timed climbs done.
> 5 - Horsepower of ship, Engine & prop pitch/dia info.
> 6 - EVW of ship
> 7 - any modifications aerodynamically from the original plans
> (airfoil, size...)
>
> The plans simply state '500 ft per minute for the first minute
> guaranteed,' but
> nothing else concerning performance was given. This was also for the
> model A
> engine with about 40hp! Most are flying with at least 55-65 hp and
> some as
> much as 100hp.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
>
> David Scott
>
>
> /--------------------\ |~~\_____/~~\__ |
> |scott(at)haulpak.com | o' ~~\|~~~ |
>
--
David B.Schober, CPE
Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
Fairmont State College
National Aerospace Education Center
Rt. 3 Box 13
Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503
(304) 842-8300
How high are the trees at the end. Could it be used as a one way strip
if trees are only at one end? 1900 feet is more than enough for a Piet
if trees aren't a factor. With good aproaches, anything down to about 700
feet would be usable. I've been in and out of 700 feet with a Tripacer,
used to operate a banner operation with cubs out of about 800 feet and
have been into 1400 foot strip with the Howard!
David Scott wrote:
Greetings to all mutually helplessly addicted
flyers -
A friend of mine (John Peschong) has a hay field which he desires
to place a runway for both part 103 and 61 restricted light airplane.
He wants to build a Murphy Maverick or Rebel, which has some very
good short field performance numbers.
There is about 1900 ft of runway, but with tree clearance and side-side
clearance requirements, the 'official' runway length will likely be
about
1300 ft.
I am trying to put together a list of actual performance numbers
based upon those who have a good feel for the Piet's performance:
1 - GVW field elevation of numbers listed for below
2 - Takeoff Roll distance (paved or turf)
3 - Height at a known distance from start of takeoff roll.
4 - Timed climb from 1000 MSL to 2000 MSL (seconds) at what temp
and/or any other timed climbs
done.
5 - Horsepower of ship, Engine prop pitch/dia info.
6 - EVW of ship
7 - any modifications aerodynamically from the original plans (airfoil,
size...)
The plans simply state '500 ft per minute for the first minute guaranteed,'
but
nothing else concerning performance was given. This was also
for the model A
engine with about 40hp! Most are flying with at least 55-65 hp
and some as
much as 100hp.
Thanks for the help.
David Scott
/--------------------\ |~~\_____/~~\__
|
|DAVID SCOTT |______
\______====== )-+
|scott(at)haulpak.com |
o' ~~\|~~~ |
\--------------------/
(O)
--
David B.Schober, CPE
Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
Fairmont State College
National Aerospace Education Center
Rt. 3 Box 13
Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503
(304) 842-8300
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Hi, I'm back. _stevee |
Yes, I was floored by the response as well! I cant wait to get the new
site up and running!
--- steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> boy you step out for a week and you sure miss the action! Richard,
> You have
> a lot of supporters here... I know that I am late to the game, but if
> you
> need anything I'll gladly see what I can do. I have been at a
===
http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC" |
| Subject: | Two weeks and counting |
Hi everyone,
Spring is in the air, and so will my Piet. be. This week-end I cleared
another inspection snag. One more to go. The insurance will go on this week.
I won't fly during the Easter week-end, but the week after for sure.
Domenic
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: !!Warning !! |
Guys;
I have seen this virus warning all over the news shows and it is a biter!
Oddly enough, it has caused a lot of harm to the computer companies internal
e-mail. It is not supposed to leak out to the general public,
but.........this virus is called "Mellisa"......
Earl Myers
PS: If any one gets that "Happy 99" worm/virus again, I have a quick, easy
and free "pill" to use to get rid of it.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Duprey <duprey(at)excite.com>
Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 8:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: !!Warning !!
>
>
>Hi Gang:
>There is a new computer virus spreading like "wild fire" If you get an
>E-mail titled "IMPORTANT MESSAGE FROM..." Followed by the name of someone
>you know DELETE IT!! it is a virus. Crashing servers and P.C.'s Once it
>infects a system it takes the first 50 names off your E-mail adress book
and
>sends itself to those people, and says "Important Message From (your name).
>Please if you get somthing like this do not open it, Delete it.
>
>John Duprey
>
>"the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
>
>
>_______________________________________________________
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: !!Warning !! |
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Earl Myers wrote:
> Guys;
> I have seen this virus warning all over the news shows and it is a biter!
> Oddly enough, it has caused a lot of harm to the computer companies internal
> e-mail. It is not supposed to leak out to the general public,
> but.........this virus is called "Mellisa"......
> Earl Myers
Huh!?! Sure the name is right in the infected file which the general
public has pretty much full access to:
>SNIP<
WORD/Melissa written by Kwyjibo
Works in both Word 2000 and Word 97
Worm? Macro Virus? Word 97 Virus? Word 2000 Virus? You Decide!
Word -> Email | Word 97 <--> Word 2000 ... it's a new age!
Twenty-two points, plus triple-word-score, plus fifty points for using
all my letters. Game's over. I'm outta here.
>SNIP<
Nice to know the author has a sence of humour (and watches the Simpsons)
Fortunately, UNIX/LINUX systems are immune to most of these annoying
viruses. It becomes quite trivial to save the document and run a strings
command against it. However, the UNIX servers are not imune to the load
that the volume of mail imposes on them in these sorts of SPAM viruses.
Ken
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | The Hat Guy (an update) |
The image went to the digitizers today and the hats production is und=
erway.=A0
I will be proofing the stitching by the end of the week.=A0 For those=
who have
sent in their money, I will not be cashing checks until I am ready to=
send
hats.=A0 I thank you for your interest!=A0 Some have asked if I will
have the
hats a brodhead.=A0 I have emailed Grant and Gar, and have discovered=
that
although they think hats are great, they would rather not have me sel=
l them
there.=A0 So I will be mailing them.=A0 I am initially going to do a
batch of 24
which should cover those who have expressed interest.=A0 First come f=
irst
served until I get enough for round two.=A0
=A0
Best Regards,
=A0
Steve Eldredge
Steve(at)byu.edu
IT Services
Brigham Young University
=A0
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mr. Carmen A. Natalie" <carmen(at)cana.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The Hat Guy (an update) |
This seems curious to me...
I've been to Brodhead a few times and it seems that there was always
someone selling T-Shirts or sweatshirts out of the back of their van.
(Nice stuff, too, I might add...) Grant had his own designs to sell too,
but the variety made it better for those of us who were in attendance.
There were even 'dated' shirts from a few different folks...
I would think that hats would be ok too, unless they were white
(reserved for pilots flying their Piets in..)
Any insight into this restriction?
>I have emailed Grant
> and Gar, and have discovered that although they think hats are great,
> they would rather not have me sell them there. So I will be mailing
> them.
----------------------
Carmen A. Natalie
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Landing Gear Placement |
I am looking for recommendations on placement of the landing gear on my Piet
(other than underneath)!
I am building the long fuselage, with Ford A engine. Because I will operate
off of a hard surface runway, I will be installing brakes. I would like to
use wire wheels, but will probably end up with standard 6.00 x 6 tires.
I have heard some say that with brakes, the gear should be moved forward 4
inches to avoid nosing over. Others say that with the long fuselage, the
original placement is fine with brakes.
Any advice?
Thanks, Al Swanson
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: The Hat Guy (an update) |
If I might jump in here and put in a word for Grant and Gar, and commend
Steve for his "diplomacy".
In a genuine effort to keep Broadhead as simple, uncomplicated and homey
as possible, there are no fees or ticket booths and everybody pitches in to
make it work. However, a minimum of cash is needed. So, without putting on
their hobnail boots toward the pirate guys who make a buck from the event,
they do try, ever so gently, to ask that you financially support the folks
who are really doing the heavy lifting here. I would think that this might
make a bit of sense for the few days, on the field, at Broadhead.
Best Regards,
Warren
"Mr. Carmen A. Natalie" wrote:
> This seems curious to me...
> I've been to Brodhead a few times and it seems that there was always
> someone selling T-Shirts or sweatshirts out of the back of their van.
> (Nice stuff, too, I might add...) Grant had his own designs to sell too,
> but the variety made it better for those of us who were in attendance.
> There were even 'dated' shirts from a few different folks...
>
> I would think that hats would be ok too, unless they were white
> (reserved for pilots flying their Piets in..)
>
> Any insight into this restriction?
>
> >I have emailed Grant
> > and Gar, and have discovered that although they think hats are great,
> > they would rather not have me sell them there. So I will be mailing
> > them.
>
> ----------------------
> Carmen A. Natalie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Brusilow <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net> |
<<<
forward 4
inches to avoid nosing over. Others say that with the long fuselage,
the
original placement is fine with brakes.
Any advice?
Thanks, Al Swanson>>>>>
Al, my advice is to build the gear a per plans. My Piet (which has
brakes) has been flying since 1988 from a hard surface runway. It is a
long fuselage Piet, Cg 14 inches. There was never a nose over problem or
a hint at such a problem.
Mike B ( Piet N687MB)
I have heard
some say that
with brakes, the gear should be moved forward 4inches to avoid
nosing
over. Others say that with the long fuselage, theoriginal
placement is
fine with brakes.Any advice?Thanks, Al
Swanson
size4>Al, my advice
is to build the gear a per plans. My Piet (which has brakes) has been
flying
since 1988 from a hard surface runway. It is a long fuselage Piet, Cg 14
inches.
There was never a nose over problem or a hint at such a
problem.
Mike B ( Piet N687MB)
size4>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin Southwick <ksouth(at)urjet.net> |
Piet fans,
I've been reading this newsgroup with dreams of a Piet for about a year.
Just wanted to announce my humble SOLO last Sunday at Weiser Airpark here in
Houston. My instructor said all three landings were "perfect."
Maybe I'll see ya in the skies some day.
Kevin
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pilot / Tower Conversations |
Ken,
Good stuff. I'll run it in our club newsletter in Melbourne, Australia next month.
Thanks,
Leo
--
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:24:28 Ken Beanlands wrote:
>I know that these are not directly related to the list, but they are quite
>humorous. Enjoy
>
>Ken
>
>22 November 1996 -- Any More Complaints?
>The controller working a busy pattern told the 727 on downwind to make a
>three-sixty (do a complete circle, usually to provide spacing between
>aircraft). The pilot of the 727 complained, "Do you know it costs us two
>thousand dollars to make a three-sixty in this airplane?"
>Without missing a beat the controller replied, "Roger, give me four
>thousand dollars worth!"
>
>15 November 1996 -- What the...?!
>PSA was following United, taxiing out for departure. PSA called the tower
>and said "Tower, this is United 586. We've got a little problem, so go
>ahead and let PSA go first". The tower promptly cleared PSA for
>takeoff before United had a chance to object to the impersonation!
>
>8 November 1996 -- Which Exit Did You Say That Was?
>A DC-10 had an exceedingly long landing roll out after landing with his
>approach speed just a little too high.
>San Jose Tower: "American 751 Heavy, turn right at the end if able. If not
>able, take the Guadeloupe exit off of Highway 101 back to the airport."
>
>1 November 1996 -- Ouch!
>Western Airlines had a term for its second officers. The term was "GIB,"
>which stood for, "Guy In Back." The term was strictly unofficial and was
>actually frowned upon by the management at Western. It seems that some
>wise-guy pilot had been browsing through a dictionary and had made the
>discovery that a "gib" is a castrated tomcat.
>
>11 October 1996 -- What Is That Thang?
>It was a really nice day, right about dusk, and a Piper Malibu was being
>vectored into a long line of airliners in order to land at Kansas City. KC
>Approach: "Malibu three-two-Charlie, you're following a 727, one
>o'clock and three miles."
>Three-two-Charlie: "We've got him. We'll follow him."
>KC Approach: "Delta 105, your traffic to follow is a Malibu, eleven
>o'clock and three miles. Do you have that traffic?"
>Delta 105: (long pause and then in a thick southern drawl): "Well ...
>I've Got something down there. Can't quite tell if it's a Malibu or a
>Chevelle, though."
>
>13 September 1996 -- Mama Didn't Raise No Fools!
>Unknown Aircraft: "I'm ***** bored!"
>Air Traffic Control: "Last aircraft transmitting, identify yourself
>immediately!!"
>Unknown Aircraft: "I said I was ***** bored, not ***** stupid!"
>
>
>28 June 1996 -- No, That's Not What I Said!
>O'Hare Approach Control: "United 329, traffic is a Fokker, one o'clock, 3
>miles, eastbound."
>United 329: "Approach, I've always wanted to say this ... I've got that
>Fokker in sight."
>
>
-----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==-----
http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <duprey(at)excite.com> |
Kevin: Welcome to the flock of birdmen.
> Piet fans,
>
> I've been reading this newsgroup with dreams of a Piet for about a year.
> Just wanted to announce my humble SOLO last Sunday at Weiser Airpark here
in
> Houston. My instructor said all three landings were "perfect."
>
> Maybe I'll see ya in the skies some day.
>
> Kevin
"the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Southwick <ksouth(at)urjet.net>
Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 6:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Pilot
Congrats Kevin! I'm also new to the list, but have already learned lots
from these guys (and gals). Michael Cuy told me of a guy near you that is
building a Piet. I've chatted with him a little, but failed to save his
email address. I think he's in Wharton. I'm supposed to get my Piet (well,
GN-1) this weekend, however the weather continues to be fussy. I may go to
Kansas and pick the GN up in a U-Haul truck (don't know how easy/hard it is
to take apart, it is a three peice wing though).
If you ever get out to my part on the country, come on by and I'll show you
the sights of Uvalde, Texas from the air.
Take care!
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
>Piet fans,
>
>I've been reading this newsgroup with dreams of a Piet for about a year.
>Just wanted to announce my humble SOLO last Sunday at Weiser Airpark here
in
>Houston. My instructor said all three landings were "perfect."
>
>Maybe I'll see ya in the skies some day.
>
>Kevin
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
Hey Kevin,
Congratulations!!
Kevin Southwick wrote:
> Piet fans,
>
> I've been reading this newsgroup with dreams of a Piet for about a year.
> Just wanted to announce my humble SOLO last Sunday at Weiser Airpark here in
> Houston. My instructor said all three landings were "perfect."
>
> Maybe I'll see ya in the skies some day.
>
> Kevin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Ragan <lragan(at)hotmail.com> |
Great! Great! I look forward to seeing ya' up there.
>From: Kevin Southwick <ksouth(at)urjet.net>
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: New Pilot
>Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 06:38:51 -0600
>
>Piet fans,
>
>I've been reading this newsgroup with dreams of a Piet for about a
year.
>Just wanted to announce my humble SOLO last Sunday at Weiser Airpark
here in
>Houston. My instructor said all three landings were "perfect."
>
>Maybe I'll see ya in the skies some day.
>
>Kevin
>
Larry Ragan
Jacksonville, Fl.
lragan(at)hotmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | fishin <fishin(at)wwa.com> |
Congratulations Kevin=====tell me do you still have your shirt tail or has that
tradition long since died???
regards
JoeC
Kevin Southwick wrote:
> Piet fans,
>
> I've been reading this newsgroup with dreams of a Piet for about a year.
> Just wanted to announce my humble SOLO last Sunday at Weiser Airpark here in
> Houston. My instructor said all three landings were "perfect."
>
> Maybe I'll see ya in the skies some day.
>
> Kevin
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Landing Gear Placement |
I have diddled with that issue on two sets of gear that I have made. I have
hyd. brakes and move my gear forward on the first set about 5 inches. I
felt this was too much and went back to about 3 inches and added 2 inches to
the height. Lots of welding and flying later and I still don't know if it
makes a lick of difference. (the change on the second set had more to do
with geometry of the shock struts than brake placement, in case you were
wondering.)
Important user tip. If you want more than 100 landings on your gear, make
sure that you use the right wall thickness tubing. :)
Steve E.
-----Original Message-----
Alan Swanson
Sent: Monday, March 29, 1999 10:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear Placement
I am looking for recommendations on placement of the landing gear on my Piet
(other than underneath)!
I am building the long fuselage, with Ford A engine. Because I will operate
off of a hard surface runway, I will be installing brakes. I would like to
use wire wheels, but will probably end up with standard 6.00 x 6 tires.
I have heard some say that with brakes, the gear should be moved forward 4
inches to avoid nosing over. Others say that with the long fuselage, the
original placement is fine with brakes.
Any advice?
Thanks, Al Swanson
________________________________________________________________________________
Way to Go! New freedom! share it with as many as you can.
Steve e.
-----Original Message-----
Kevin Southwick
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 5:39 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Pilot
Piet fans,
I've been reading this newsgroup with dreams of a Piet for about a year.
Just wanted to announce my humble SOLO last Sunday at Weiser Airpark here in
Houston. My instructor said all three landings were "perfect."
Maybe I'll see ya in the skies some day.
Kevin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
Better still, is you shirt still dry? When I was with the Air Cadets
getting my glider license, the tradition was for new solos to take a dip
in the local river; IN FULL FLIGHT GEAR! We used to fly in two shifts from
noon to sunset one day and sunrise to noon the next. The next shift would
then fly while we took it easy. Anyway, we were on the way back to the
base from the field early one Sunday afternoon with 3 fresh solos in the
van. We stopped at our regular "Dunking Hole" and started tossing the
victims in. We had not noticed the group of well dressed people
congregated a little further up the river in the rush of trying to catch
our victims.
After the deed was done, we realized that this group of people were
staring at us rather intently and it was then we noticed the man in the
white robes standing in the river. OOPS! We had interupted an adult
baptismal service and appeared to have mocked what they were doing! One of
our officers walked over and talked to one of thier organizers and assured
him that no disrespect was intended. They were relieved and even
acknowledged us in thier service.
Anyway, Kevin, congrats on your first solo!
Ken
On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, fishin wrote:
> Congratulations Kevin=====tell me do you still have your shirt tail or has that
> tradition long since died???
> regards
> JoeC
>
> Kevin Southwick wrote:
>
> > Piet fans,
> >
> > I've been reading this newsgroup with dreams of a Piet for about a year.
> > Just wanted to announce my humble SOLO last Sunday at Weiser Airpark here in
> > Houston. My instructor said all three landings were "perfect."
> >
> > Maybe I'll see ya in the skies some day.
> >
> > Kevin
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <duprey(at)excite.com> |
Hi Everybody:
The group has pleged enough money And hardware to Get Richard's Piet page
back on line for us all to use. The time has come to send in those pledges (
if you have not allready) Send them to:
Richard DeCosta
369 Gorham Rd.
Scarborogh ME.
04074
Thank all of you who have contributed.
John Duprey
"the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
Kevin !!
Congratulations on your first solo flight !!! Excellent !
(my biggest memory is that I was dumbfounded by how much
BETTER the plane climbed with just my butt in the cabin !
I'll bet you noticed that too !)
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug Sheets <doug(at)layke.com> |
Does anyone have any experience with using 304 SS instead of
4130? The tensile strength is very near the same and I would
think they would polish nicely.
________________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
4130 is used for its light weight
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin Southwick <ksouth(at)urjet.net> |
Ken,
I love the story. Thanks for the posting. I can't think of anything but
flying now!
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 11:37 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pilot
>Better still, is you shirt still dry? When I was with the Air Cadets
>getting my glider license, the tradition was for new solos to take a dip
>in the local river; IN FULL FLIGHT GEAR! We used to fly in two shifts from
>noon to sunset one day and sunrise to noon the next. The next shift would
>then fly while we took it easy. Anyway, we were on the way back to the
>base from the field early one Sunday afternoon with 3 fresh solos in the
>van. We stopped at our regular "Dunking Hole" and started tossing the
>victims in. We had not noticed the group of well dressed people
>congregated a little further up the river in the rush of trying to catch
>our victims.
>
>After the deed was done, we realized that this group of people were
>staring at us rather intently and it was then we noticed the man in the
>white robes standing in the river. OOPS! We had interupted an adult
>baptismal service and appeared to have mocked what they were doing! One of
>our officers walked over and talked to one of thier organizers and assured
>him that no disrespect was intended. They were relieved and even
>acknowledged us in thier service.
>
>Anyway, Kevin, congrats on your first solo!
>
>Ken
>
>On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, fishin wrote:
>
>> Congratulations Kevin=====tell me do you still have your shirt tail or
has that
>> tradition long since died???
>> regards
>> JoeC
>>
>> Kevin Southwick wrote:
>>
>> > Piet fans,
>> >
>> > I've been reading this newsgroup with dreams of a Piet for about a
year.
>> > Just wanted to announce my humble SOLO last Sunday at Weiser Airpark
here in
>> > Houston. My instructor said all three landings were "perfect."
>> >
>> > Maybe I'll see ya in the skies some day.
>> >
>> > Kevin
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin Southwick <ksouth(at)urjet.net> |
Mike,
Yes, and my instructor, a woman, pointed out the same thing through the
radio during my second climb (of three takeoffs). I said, "Of course I'd
never point that out" as a joke, but then told her yes, I could tell a
difference. I expected the quicker climb, too. I weigh 150, so not much
payload for the C150.
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov>
Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 12:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pilot
>Kevin !!
>
>Congratulations on your first solo flight !!! Excellent !
>
>(my biggest memory is that I was dumbfounded by how much
>BETTER the plane climbed with just my butt in the cabin !
>I'll bet you noticed that too !)
>
>Mike C.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
>Does anyone have any experience with using 304 SS instead of
>4130? The tensile strength is very near the same and I would
>think they would polish nicely.
>
>
I have, we used it to built my brothers trike, we used TIG welding, here is
imposible to get 4130, and 304 SS is found all around.
Saludos
Gary Gower
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
>4130 is used for its light weight
>
>
The 304 tubes can be found in all wall thikness, is also very light, I read
someplace (EAA material) that was the same as 4130, Outside USA is less
expensive than 4130
Saludos
Gary Gower
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | lpasley <lpasley(at)aristotle.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Hi, I'm back. _stevee |
Steve, How do I get a person signed up for the list?
Thanks, Larry
> boy you step out for a week and you sure miss the action! Richard, You
have
> a lot of supporters here... I know that I am late to the game, but if you
> need anything I'll gladly see what I can do. I have been at a conference
> all last week so not even a chance to check email on the list. Several
> wanted info on sub-unsubscriptions and they have been taken care of. Send
> requests to me at Steve(at)byu.edu for help. More comments later, I am still
> trying to dig out of a weeks worth of work!...
>
> Steve E.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
Kevin,
Isn't it great. I did my solo in December. Then I got one more
lesson and then a 3 month layoff. Not real good. The weather is
finally cooperating and the lessons are going again. And yes,
that 150 climbs a lot faster without Dana in the right seat!
Dave
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
Has everyone else had problems with the BPA site for the last
few days? I can't get in anymore.
I have been trying http://users.aol.com/bpanews/www.html.
Dave
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
It isn't working for me either....Melissa must have bitten him in a
sensitive area...
Dave and Connie wrote:
> Has everyone else had problems with the BPA site for the last
> few days? I can't get in anymore.
>
> I have been trying http://users.aol.com/bpanews/www.html.
>
> Dave
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craig & Shari Hanson <chanson(at)polarcomm.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!!!!!!! |
Just received this e-mail. Don't know if is legit or not.
Craig
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!!!!!!!
If you receive an email titled "It Takes Guts to Say 'Jesus'" DO NOT"open
it. It will erase everything on your hard drive. Forward this letter out to
as many people as you can. This is a new, very malicious
virus and not many people know about it. This information was announced
yesterday morning from IBM; please share it with everyone that might access
the internet. Once again, pass this along to
EVERYONE in your address book so that this may be stopped.
AOL has said that this is a very dangerous virus and that there is NO remedy
for it at this time. Please practice cautionary measures and forward this to
all your online friends ASAP.
Bryan Martin
Compaq Computer Corporation
1125 Evergreen Oak Way
Dacula, Georgia 30019
(770) 822-1195 office
(770) 354-6082 mobile
(888) 979-3719 pager
bryan.martin(at)compaq.com
________________________________________________________________________________
I got it to work OK right off of this http......
-----Original Message-----
From: Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 9:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: BPA
>It isn't working for me either....Melissa must have bitten him in a
>sensitive area...
>
>Dave and Connie wrote:
>
>> Has everyone else had problems with the BPA site for the last
>> few days? I can't get in anymore.
>>
>> I have been trying http://users.aol.com/bpanews/www.html.
>>
>> Dave
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!!!!!!! |
This sounds like a farce to me. I do not believe straight e-mail with out
attachments can erase your hard drive or do anything to your computer.
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig & Shari Hanson <chanson(at)polarcomm.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 8:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!!!!!!!
>Just received this e-mail. Don't know if is legit or not.
>
>Craig
>
>Subject: Fw: VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>If you receive an email titled "It Takes Guts to Say 'Jesus'" DO NOT"open
>it. It will erase everything on your hard drive. Forward this letter out
to
>as many people as you can. This is a new, very malicious
>virus and not many people know about it. This information was announced
>yesterday morning from IBM; please share it with everyone that might access
>the internet. Once again, pass this along to
> EVERYONE in your address book so that this may be stopped.
>AOL has said that this is a very dangerous virus and that there is NO
remedy
>for it at this time. Please practice cautionary measures and forward this
to
>all your online friends ASAP.
>Bryan Martin
>Compaq Computer Corporation
>1125 Evergreen Oak Way
>Dacula, Georgia 30019
>(770) 822-1195 office
>(770) 354-6082 mobile
>(888) 979-3719 pager
>bryan.martin(at)compaq.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
I think G-BUCO is one of the best looking Piets I have seen. I love the
shots of it over England. I just came across a shot of it up close at a
Young Eagles event. Looks even better. You can take a peek at
http://www.pfa.org.uk/popham.htm
Does anybody know who owns it? Just where did those airborne shots come
from?
Brent Reed
I think G-BUCO is one of the best looking Piets I
have
seen. I love the shots of it over England. I just came
across a shot
of it up close at a Young Eagles event. Looks even better.
You can
take a peek at
href"http://www.pfa.org.uk/popham.htm">http://www.pfa.org.uk/popham.ht=
m
Does anybody know who owns it? Just where did
those
airborne shots come from?
Brent Reed
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
If you can get the BPA page to open, go to the bottom of the list, which
has a British link, and you will find the narrative story of this plane.
Warren
Brent Reed wrote:
> I think G-BUCO is one of the best looking Piets I have seen. I love
> the shots of it over England. I just came across a shot of it up
> close at a Young Eagles event. Looks even better. You can take a
> peek at http://www.pfa.org.uk/popham.htm Does anybody know who owns
> it? Just where did those airborne shots come from? Brent Reed
If you can get the BPA page to open, go to the bottom of the list, which
has a British link, and you will find the narrative story of this plane.
Warren
Brent Reed wrote:
I think G-BUCO is one of the
best looking Piets I have seen. I love the shots of it over England.
I just came across a shot of it up close at a Young Eagles event.
Looks even better. You can take a peek at http://www.pfa.org.uk/popham.htmDoes
anybody know who owns it? Just where did those airborne shots come
from?Brent Reed
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Hi, I'm back. _stevee |
Easy really, Have them email me (steve(at)byu.edu) with the request.
Unsubscribe the same way.
Steve.
-----Original Message-----
lpasley
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 7:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hi, I'm back. _stevee
Steve, How do I get a person signed up for the list?
Thanks, Larry
> boy you step out for a week and you sure miss the action! Richard, You
have
> a lot of supporters here... I know that I am late to the game, but if you
> need anything I'll gladly see what I can do. I have been at a conference
> all last week so not even a chance to check email on the list. Several
> wanted info on sub-unsubscriptions and they have been taken care of. Send
> requests to me at Steve(at)byu.edu for help. More comments later, I am still
> trying to dig out of a weeks worth of work!...
>
> Steve E.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Congrats on your new-found freedom! It's been said that a man never forgets
three things: his first lover, his first car, and his first solo. Remember
each with fondness. Each of mine were almost a half-century ago, and each
still burns bright in my heart and my memory. (1948 Pontiac convertible, J3
Cub N2230M, and none of your business!)
Ed
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | FS: Pietenpot Aircamper $10,000 (fwd) |
Saw this on rec.aviation.marketplace in case anyone is interested.....
Ken
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:38:00 -0800
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ronald Carroll <ron.carroll(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Neighbor has his Piet up for sale. It has a Franklin 65 engine, but I don't
have further information at this time.
For more information from the seller please call: (503)838-6878 (Oregon) ask
for Ernie.
I have a couple of pictures that I can e-mail to you if you are interested.
ron.carroll(at)worldnet.att.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpot Aircamper $10,000 (fwd) |
-----Original Message-----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | FS: Pietenpot Aircamper $10,000 (fwd) |
This guy sent me some photos a few days ago, it's really a NEAT looking
Piet. If I didn't have a GN-1 one the way (I hope), I'd sure look at this
one closer. If anyone wants to see a photo of it, just email me and I'll
send it.
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
>Saw this on rec.aviation.marketplace in case anyone is interested.....
>
>Ken
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:38:00 -0800
>From: Ronald Carroll <ron.carroll(at)worldnet.att.net>
>
>Neighbor has his Piet up for sale. It has a Franklin 65 engine, but I
don't
>have further information at this time.
>
>For more information from the seller please call: (503)838-6878 (Oregon)
ask
>for Ernie.
>
>I have a couple of pictures that I can e-mail to you if you are interested.
>
>ron.carroll(at)worldnet.att.net
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Pietenpot Aircamper $10,000 (fwd) |
I'd like to see it! BTW have you got your plane yet?
Steve e. (steve(at)byu.edu)
-----Original Message-----
robert hensarling
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 3:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpot Aircamper $10,000 (fwd)
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 3:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: FS: Pietenpot Aircamper $10,000 (fwd)
This guy sent me some photos a few days ago, it's really a NEAT looking
Piet. If I didn't have a GN-1 one the way (I hope), I'd sure look at this
one closer. If anyone wants to see a photo of it, just email me and I'll
send it.
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
>Saw this on rec.aviation.marketplace in case anyone is interested.....
>
>Ken
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:38:00 -0800
>From: Ronald Carroll <ron.carroll(at)worldnet.att.net>
>
>Neighbor has his Piet up for sale. It has a Franklin 65 engine, but I
don't
>have further information at this time.
>
>For more information from the seller please call: (503)838-6878 (Oregon)
ask
>for Ernie.
>
>I have a couple of pictures that I can e-mail to you if you are interested.
>
>ron.carroll(at)worldnet.att.net
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpot Aircamper $10,000 (fwd) |
-----Original Message-----
From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 4:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpot Aircamper $10,000 (fwd)
I'm putting the picture of this Piet on my website. Should be in the last
row shortly. It's the yellow one with the bluish nose cowling and neat
curved prop. Will anyone out there loan me $10,000?
:o(
Robert
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 3:31 PM
>Subject: FS: Pietenpot Aircamper $10,000 (fwd)
>
>This guy sent me some photos a few days ago, it's really a NEAT looking
>Piet. If I didn't have a GN-1 one the way (I hope), I'd sure look at this
>one closer. If anyone wants to see a photo of it, just email me and I'll
>send it.
>Robert Hensarling
>http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>Uvalde, Texas
>
>
>>Saw this on rec.aviation.marketplace in case anyone is interested.....
>>
>>Ken
>>
>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:38:00 -0800
>>From: Ronald Carroll <ron.carroll(at)worldnet.att.net>
>>
>>Neighbor has his Piet up for sale. It has a Franklin 65 engine, but I
>don't
>>have further information at this time.
>>
>>For more information from the seller please call: (503)838-6878 (Oregon)
>ask
>>for Ernie.
>>
>>I have a couple of pictures that I can e-mail to you if you are
interested.
>>
>>ron.carroll(at)worldnet.att.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Lund <malund(at)sprint.ca> |
#1/ C-FEVK, C-150M, October 1993
#2/1972 Plymouth Sattleite Sebring with a 383, 727 slapstick and posi,
Bought in December 1982
#3/ After the first two, who cares
;-) ;-) ;-)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Hart <rhart(at)cyllene.uwa.edu.au> |
Crew
In line with the recent branching of the Piet fraternity into fashion
wear, I have decided to offer to the group belt buckles, if any are
interested. I have made one up, I think it looks rather flash. Cast
from bronze, it's a standard 3 1/2 inch X 2 1/2 inch, 3/16 thick, with
an embossed Piet on the front. Standard belt loop and buckle pin at the
back.
If anyone is interested, I can get a batch done. The mold for the first
is reusable, so all I need is a measure of how many. I am also working
on an oval design, though it might take a little longer. Metal looks
like pale brass/gold. As I have all the gear, if anyone wants a special
(own rego, etc), that's possible tho' will take a little longer. Wife,
three kids and a PhD to finish kinda take up a bit of time.
Let me know
Rob
Oz Piets: Nearly the only ones to fly inverted...
Crew
In line with the recent branching of
the Piet
fraternity into fashion wear, I have decided to offer to the group belt
buckles,
if any are interested. I have made one up, I think it looks rather
flash.
Cast from bronze, it's a standard 3 1/2 inch X 2 1/2 inch, 3/16 thick,
with an
embossed Piet on the front. Standard belt loop and buckle pin at the
back.
If anyone is interested, I can get a
batch done.
The mold for the first is reusable, so all I need is a measure of how
many. I am
also working on an oval design, though it might take a little longer.
Metal
looks like pale brass/gold. As I have all the gear, if anyone wants a
special
(own rego, etc), that's possible tho' will take a little longer. Wife,
three
kids and a PhD to finish kinda take up a bit of time.
Let me know
Rob
Oz Piets:
Nearly the only
ones to fly inverted...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | michael list <mclist(at)ptw.com> |
Doug Sheets wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any experience with using 304 SS instead of
> 4130? The tensile strength is very near the same and I would
> think they would polish nicely.
Doug,
The bearing strength is probably going to be more important than the
tensile strength for the thicknesses used in the Piet fittings. As long
as you use at least half hard (Rockwell C41) or better 304 you should be
ok. The quarter hard and annealed variety will not have the bearing
strength you need for all those Piet strap fittings compared to 4130.
304 is better overall than the 1025 steel that was around in the 30's,
and exceeds 4130 from half hard on up in most areas. Weight is the same
as 4130. You can weld 304 but I wouldn't for any major load carrying
fittings without thickening up the fitting material as the material
properties will be degraded to some unknown degree.
Mike List
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | michael list <mclist(at)ptw.com> |
Kevin Southwick wrote:
>
> Piet fans,
>
> I've been reading this newsgroup with dreams of a Piet for about a year.
> Just wanted to announce my humble SOLO last Sunday at Weiser Airpark here in
> Houston. My instructor said all three landings were "perfect."
>
> Maybe I'll see ya in the skies some day.
>
> Kevin
Kevin,
No such thing as a "humble solo"! They are great milestones.
Congratulations!
Mike List
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "D.J.H." <ve6zh(at)cnnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Belt buckles |
Sounds interesting Rob,what do you supose thhey would cost in Canadian
$$,as i live in Alberta?
Doug Hunt ( CGCGJ soon to be painted)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Hart <rhart(at)cyllene.uwa.edu.au> |
Crew
In line with the recent branching of the Piet fraternity into fashion wear,
I have decided to offer to the group belt buckles, if any are interested. I
have made one up, I think it looks rather flash. Cast from bronze, it's a
standard 3 1/2 inch X 2 1/2 inch, 3/16 thick, with an embossed Piet on the
front. Standard belt loop and buckle pin at the back.
If anyone is interested, I can get a batch done. The mold for the first is
reusable, so all I need is a measure of how many. I am also working on an
oval design, though it might take a little longer. Metal looks like pale
brass/gold. As I have all the gear, if anyone wants a special (own rego,
etc), that's possible tho' will take a little longer. Wife, three kids and
a PhD to finish kinda take up a bit of time.
Let me know
Rob
Oz Piets: Nearly the only ones to fly inverted...
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Belt buckles |
If we keep this up, pretty soon you'll be able to go to Brodhead and
every last thing you wear will have some sort of Piet logo/picture on
it! Haha! Wont we look like quite the fashon freaks!
:)
--- Rob Hart wrote:
> Crew
>
> In line with the recent branching of the Piet fraternity into fashion
> wear, I have decided to offer to the group belt buckles, if any are
> interested. I have made one up, I think it looks rather flash. Cast
> from bronze, it's a standard 3 1/2 inch X 2 1/2 inch, 3/16 thick,
with
> an embossed Piet on the front. Standard belt loop and buckle pin at
> the back.
>
> If anyone is interested, I can get a batch done. The mold for the
> first is reusable, so all I need is a measure of how many. I am also
> working on an oval design, though it might take a little longer.
Metal
> looks like pale brass/gold. As I have all the gear, if anyone wants a
> special (own rego, etc), that's possible tho' will take a little
> longer. Wife, three kids and a PhD to finish kinda take up a bit of
> time.
>
> Let me know
>
> Rob
> Oz Piets: Nearly the only ones to fly inverted...
>
Crew
In line with the recent branching of the
Piet
fraternity into fashion wear, I have decided to offer to the group belt
buckles,
if any are interested. I have made one up, I think it looks rather
flash.
Cast from bronze, it's a standard 3 1/2 inch X 2 1/2 inch, 3/16 thick,
with an
embossed Piet on the front. Standard belt loop and buckle pin at the
back.
If anyone is interested, I can get a
batch done.
The mold for the first is reusable, so all I need is a measure of how
many. I am
also working on an oval design, though it might take a little longer.
Metal
looks like pale brass/gold. As I have all the gear, if anyone wants a
special
(own rego, etc), that's possible tho' will take a little longer. Wife,
three
kids and a PhD to finish kinda take up a bit of time.
Let me know
Rob
Oz Piets: Nearly the
only
ones to fly inverted...
===
http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Hart <rhart(at)cyllene.uwa.edu.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Belt buckles |
>Sounds interesting Rob,what do you supose thhey would cost in Canadian
>$$,as i live in Alberta?
Probably minimal, though the cost would be dependent on the amount of metal
(i.e. order nos). Also, we only cast every so often, so time frame might be
more of a problem to predict. Stab in the dark, maybe $10-$20? Too much?
Rob
Oz Piets: Nearly the only ones to fly inverted...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Neal <llneal(at)earthlink.ten> |
| Subject: | Re: Belt buckles |
Gee,
This is starting to sound a bit like the Harley-Davidson thing!
Larry
Richard DeCosta wrote:
> If we keep this up, pretty soon you'll be able to go to Brodhead and
> every last thing you wear will have some sort of Piet logo/picture on
> it! Haha! Wont we look like quite the fashon freaks!
>
> :)
>
> --- Rob Hart wrote:
> > Crew
> >
> > In line with the recent branching of the Piet fraternity into fashion
> > wear, I have decided to offer to the group belt buckles, if any are
> > interested. I have made one up, I think it looks rather flash. Cast
> > from bronze, it's a standard 3 1/2 inch X 2 1/2 inch, 3/16 thick,
> with
> > an embossed Piet on the front. Standard belt loop and buckle pin at
> > the back.
> >
> > If anyone is interested, I can get a batch done. The mold for the
> > first is reusable, so all I need is a measure of how many. I am also
> > working on an oval design, though it might take a little longer.
> Metal
> > looks like pale brass/gold. As I have all the gear, if anyone wants a
> > special (own rego, etc), that's possible tho' will take a little
> > longer. Wife, three kids and a PhD to finish kinda take up a bit of
> > time.
> >
> > Let me know
> >
> > Rob
> > Oz Piets: Nearly the only ones to fly inverted...
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Crew
>
> In line with the recent branching of the
> Piet
> fraternity into fashion wear, I have decided to offer to the group belt
> buckles,
> if any are interested. I have made one up, I think it looks rather
> flash.
> Cast from bronze, it's a standard 3 1/2 inch X 2 1/2 inch, 3/16 thick,
> with an
> embossed Piet on the front. Standard belt loop and buckle pin at the
> back.
>
> If anyone is interested, I can get a
> batch done.
> The mold for the first is reusable, so all I need is a measure of how
> many. I am
> also working on an oval design, though it might take a little longer.
> Metal
> looks like pale brass/gold. As I have all the gear, if anyone wants a
> special
> (own rego, etc), that's possible tho' will take a little longer. Wife,
> three
> kids and a PhD to finish kinda take up a bit of time.
>
> Let me know
>
> Rob
> Oz Piets: Nearly the
> only
> ones to fly inverted...
>
> ===
> http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
>
> "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David B. Schober" <dbs(at)fscvax.wvnet.edu> |
I looked in the Kilsby Roberts tube and pipe stock list. 4130 Cond N tensile
90k psi, yield 70k psi, elongation 20% in 2", 4130 annealed trensile 80k
psi, yield 50k psi, elongation 30% in 2", 304 SS annealed tensile 85k psi,
yield 35kpsi, elongation 55% in 2", 304 SS 1/8 hard tensile 105k psi, yield
75k psi, elongation 20% in 2".
If you are going to use 304, I would suggest making sure that it is 1/8
hard. The Mil Spec would be Mil. T-6845 seamless or welded and drawn
hydraulic. The AMS spec is AMS 5566 seamless or welded and drawn hydraulic.
These are tubing specs., I'm not sure about flat sheet stock.
michael list wrote:
> Doug Sheets wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience with using 304 SS instead of
> > 4130? The tensile strength is very near the same and I would
> > think they would polish nicely.
>
> Doug,
> The bearing strength is probably going to be more important than the
> tensile strength for the thicknesses used in the Piet fittings. As long
> as you use at least half hard (Rockwell C41) or better 304 you should be
> ok. The quarter hard and annealed variety will not have the bearing
> strength you need for all those Piet strap fittings compared to 4130.
> 304 is better overall than the 1025 steel that was around in the 30's,
> and exceeds 4130 from half hard on up in most areas. Weight is the same
> as 4130. You can weld 304 but I wouldn't for any major load carrying
> fittings without thickening up the fitting material as the material
> properties will be degraded to some unknown degree.
> Mike List
--
David B.Schober, CPE
Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
Fairmont State College
National Aerospace Education Center
Rt. 3 Box 13
Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503
(304) 842-8300
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mboynton(at)excite.com |
To all:
Can any of you provide information about the article or articles in Sport
Aviation that appeared, I believe, in the 70's, about the PSRU designed by
Bud Rinker, using the gear reduction box from a Type 2 (bus) Volkswagon
transaxle. The system is commonly referred to as a Rinker redrive or Rinker
PSRU, and can be used to reduce prop speed on the Corvair engine. Vertical
Systems, the outfit that markets the plans set for it, seems to have dropped
off of the face of the earth. I've contacted the EAA library, but they were
unable to give me any solid leads. I'm certain that either Bud Rinker had
an article published or that someone else did, about his system. However,
EAA is unable to do a search that far back by author name, and none of the
titles they cited mentioned the Rinker PSRU (not directly in the title. I'm
certain the information is there, but I can't seem to locate it. Help!
Mark Boynton
Gilbert, AZ
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Help, need info |
Mark, I have mosyt of the Sport Aviations from the 70s. I will look and
see if I have the article. Let you know in about three days.
Phil Phillips
> From: mboynton(at)excite.com
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Help, need info
> Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 7:25 AM
>
> To all:
>
> Can any of you provide information about the article or articles in Sport
> Aviation that appeared, I believe, in the 70's, about the PSRU designed
by
> Bud Rinker, using the gear reduction box from a Type 2 (bus) Volkswagon
> transaxle. The system is commonly referred to as a Rinker redrive or
Rinker
> PSRU, and can be used to reduce prop speed on the Corvair engine.
Vertical
> Systems, the outfit that markets the plans set for it, seems to have
dropped
> off of the face of the earth. I've contacted the EAA library, but they
were
> unable to give me any solid leads. I'm certain that either Bud Rinker
had
> an article published or that someone else did, about his system.
However,
> EAA is unable to do a search that far back by author name, and none of
the
> titles they cited mentioned the Rinker PSRU (not directly in the title.
I'm
> certain the information is there, but I can't seem to locate it. Help!
>
> Mark Boynton
> Gilbert, AZ
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Help, need info |
I tracked Bud Rinker down in Santa Barbara, CA and he referred me to these
folks, as the interest had dried up and he was retired, so he gave it to them to
handle.
Vertical Systems
34 Paradise Road
Santa Barbara, CA, 93105
e-mail at vertsys@west.net and a web page at http://www.west.net/~vertsys
The plans set is $75.00 plus $2.00 postage, with particular attention to
Corvair engine application.
Haven't tried any of this for awhile, so can not confirm that they are their any
longer.
Warren
mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
> To all:
>
> Can any of you provide information about the article or articles in Sport
> Aviation that appeared, I believe, in the 70's, about the PSRU designed by
> Bud Rinker, using the gear reduction box from a Type 2 (bus) Volkswagon
> transaxle. The system is commonly referred to as a Rinker redrive or Rinker
> PSRU, and can be used to reduce prop speed on the Corvair engine. Vertical
> Systems, the outfit that markets the plans set for it, seems to have dropped
> off of the face of the earth. I've contacted the EAA library, but they were
> unable to give me any solid leads. I'm certain that either Bud Rinker had
> an article published or that someone else did, about his system. However,
> EAA is unable to do a search that far back by author name, and none of the
> titles they cited mentioned the Rinker PSRU (not directly in the title. I'm
> certain the information is there, but I can't seem to locate it. Help!
>
> Mark Boynton
> Gilbert, AZ
>
> _______________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mboynton(at)excite.com |
| Subject: | Re: Help, need info |
Phil,
Thanks. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Mark Boynton
Gilbert, AZ
> Mark, I have mosyt of the Sport Aviations from the 70s. I will look and
> see if I have the article. Let you know in about three days.
>
> Phil Phillips
>
> ----------
> > From: mboynton(at)excite.com
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: Help, need info
> > Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 7:25 AM
> >
> > To all:
> >
> > Can any of you provide information about the article or articles in
Sport
> > Aviation that appeared, I believe, in the 70's, about the PSRU designed
> by
> > Bud Rinker, using the gear reduction box from a Type 2 (bus) Volkswagon
> > transaxle. The system is commonly referred to as a Rinker redrive or
> Rinker
> > PSRU, and can be used to reduce prop speed on the Corvair engine.
> Vertical
> > Systems, the outfit that markets the plans set for it, seems to have
> dropped
> > off of the face of the earth. I've contacted the EAA library, but they
> were
> > unable to give me any solid leads. I'm certain that either Bud Rinker
> had
> > an article published or that someone else did, about his system.
> However,
> > EAA is unable to do a search that far back by author name, and none of
> the
> > titles they cited mentioned the Rinker PSRU (not directly in the title.
> I'm
> > certain the information is there, but I can't seem to locate it. Help!
> >
> > Mark Boynton
> > Gilbert, AZ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mboynton(at)excite.com |
| Subject: | Re: Help, need info |
Warren,
Thanks. The kicker is that Vertical Systems no longer has an internet site,
and a phone call results in "that number has been disconnected or is no
longer in service..." Also, they no longer have e-mail (at least not at the
address we have). Do you know if Bud Rinker will take a call for
information and if so, how to get ahold of him? Thanks for your help.
Mark Boynton
Gilbert, AZ
> I tracked Bud Rinker down in Santa Barbara, CA and he referred me to
these
> folks, as the interest had dried up and he was retired, so he gave it to
them to
> handle.
> Vertical Systems
> 34 Paradise Road
> Santa Barbara, CA, 93105
> e-mail at vertsys(at)west.net and a web page at
http://www.west.net/~vertsys
> The plans set is $75.00 plus $2.00 postage, with particular
attention to
> Corvair engine application.
> Haven't tried any of this for awhile, so can not confirm that they are
their any
> longer.
> Warren
>
> mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
>
> > To all:
> >
> > Can any of you provide information about the article or articles in
Sport
> > Aviation that appeared, I believe, in the 70's, about the PSRU designed
by
> > Bud Rinker, using the gear reduction box from a Type 2 (bus) Volkswagon
> > transaxle. The system is commonly referred to as a Rinker redrive or
Rinker
> > PSRU, and can be used to reduce prop speed on the Corvair engine.
Vertical
> > Systems, the outfit that markets the plans set for it, seems to have
dropped
> > off of the face of the earth. I've contacted the EAA library, but they
were
> > unable to give me any solid leads. I'm certain that either Bud Rinker
had
> > an article published or that someone else did, about his system.
However,
> > EAA is unable to do a search that far back by author name, and none of
the
> > titles they cited mentioned the Rinker PSRU (not directly in the title.
I'm
> > certain the information is there, but I can't seem to locate it. Help!
> >
> > Mark Boynton
> > Gilbert, AZ
> >
> > _______________________________________________________
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Patcoolnet(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Landing gear |
Hi There! I am sending this for my Dad, so you might have to read between the
lines--He has the fusalage about done for his Piet and is looking to get going
on building the landing gear--here is what he asked me to send:
Please quote the diameter and thickness of the 4130 tubing you used to make
your landing gear. I can find no fraction or guage to translate to the
decimals quoted on Don Pietonpol's plans. Can you also tell me how you built
pedals for your brakes and rudders. I am doing the front as top humg and rear
the same as Piet front pedals but floor mount.
Hope this makes sense and I can get some help for Dad. I monitor your site
and print out what I think he would like to read. Thanks, Pat Cooley for Bud
Cooley
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Landing gear |
The tubes are 1-3/8" by .079 wall if I remember correctly. (you would think
I should) I built by rudder pedals per plans.
Steve e.
-----Original Message-----
Patcoolnet(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 1999 10:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing gear
Hi There! I am sending this for my Dad, so you might have to read between
the
lines--He has the fusalage about done for his Piet and is looking to get
going
on building the landing gear--here is what he asked me to send:
Please quote the diameter and thickness of the 4130 tubing you used to make
your landing gear. I can find no fraction or guage to translate to the
decimals quoted on Don Pietonpol's plans. Can you also tell me how you
built
pedals for your brakes and rudders. I am doing the front as top humg and
rear
the same as Piet front pedals but floor mount.
Hope this makes sense and I can get some help for Dad. I monitor your site
and print out what I think he would like to read. Thanks, Pat Cooley for
Bud
Cooley
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Help, need info |
Mark,
I just checked: they shut down their website in December, and Eric, the
site host, has no forwarding information for them.
I have tried in the fast few months to recontact Bud Rinker and there is no
answer at the old number that I had or it is busy for 6-10 hours. Will continue
to see what I can do.
Warren
mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
> Warren,
>
> Thanks. The kicker is that Vertical Systems no longer has an internet site,
> and a phone call results in "that number has been disconnected or is no
> longer in service..." Also, they no longer have e-mail (at least not at the
> address we have). Do you know if Bud Rinker will take a call for
> information and if so, how to get ahold of him? Thanks for your help.
>
> Mark Boynton
> Gilbert, AZ
>
>
> > I tracked Bud Rinker down in Santa Barbara, CA and he referred me to
> these
> > folks, as the interest had dried up and he was retired, so he gave it to
> them to
> > handle.
> > Vertical Systems
> > 34 Paradise Road
> > Santa Barbara, CA, 93105
> > e-mail at vertsys(at)west.net and a web page at
> http://www.west.net/~vertsys
> > The plans set is $75.00 plus $2.00 postage, with particular
> attention to
> > Corvair engine application.
> > Haven't tried any of this for awhile, so can not confirm that they are
> their any
> > longer.
> > Warren
> >
> > mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
> >
> > > To all:
> > >
> > > Can any of you provide information about the article or articles in
> Sport
> > > Aviation that appeared, I believe, in the 70's, about the PSRU designed
> by
> > > Bud Rinker, using the gear reduction box from a Type 2 (bus) Volkswagon
> > > transaxle. The system is commonly referred to as a Rinker redrive or
> Rinker
> > > PSRU, and can be used to reduce prop speed on the Corvair engine.
> Vertical
> > > Systems, the outfit that markets the plans set for it, seems to have
> dropped
> > > off of the face of the earth. I've contacted the EAA library, but they
> were
> > > unable to give me any solid leads. I'm certain that either Bud Rinker
> had
> > > an article published or that someone else did, about his system.
> However,
> > > EAA is unable to do a search that far back by author name, and none of
> the
> > > titles they cited mentioned the Rinker PSRU (not directly in the title.
> I'm
> > > certain the information is there, but I can't seem to locate it. Help!
> > >
> > > Mark Boynton
> > > Gilbert, AZ
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________________
> >
>
> _______________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Help, need info |
Follow-up:
Got in touch with Bud's daughter, who called her Dad. He knows that this guy
has a project of some kind going at the local airport and is going to find him
and
see what he can do.
Bud apparently no longer has any drawings or data sheets, having sold them
to
this guy. Will keep you posted.
Warren
Warren Shoun wrote:
> Mark,
> I just checked: they shut down their website in December, and Eric, the
> site host, has no forwarding information for them.
> I have tried in the fast few months to recontact Bud Rinker and there is
no
> answer at the old number that I had or it is busy for 6-10 hours. Will continue
> to see what I can do.
> Warren
>
> mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
>
> > Warren,
> >
> > Thanks. The kicker is that Vertical Systems no longer has an internet site,
> > and a phone call results in "that number has been disconnected or is no
> > longer in service..." Also, they no longer have e-mail (at least not at the
> > address we have). Do you know if Bud Rinker will take a call for
> > information and if so, how to get ahold of him? Thanks for your help.
> >
> > Mark Boynton
> > Gilbert, AZ
> >
> >
> > > I tracked Bud Rinker down in Santa Barbara, CA and he referred me to
> > these
> > > folks, as the interest had dried up and he was retired, so he gave it to
> > them to
> > > handle.
> > > Vertical Systems
> > > 34 Paradise Road
> > > Santa Barbara, CA, 93105
> > > e-mail at vertsys(at)west.net and a web page at
> > http://www.west.net/~vertsys
> > > The plans set is $75.00 plus $2.00 postage, with particular
> > attention to
> > > Corvair engine application.
> > > Haven't tried any of this for awhile, so can not confirm that they are
> > their any
> > > longer.
> > > Warren
> > >
> > > mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > To all:
> > > >
> > > > Can any of you provide information about the article or articles in
> > Sport
> > > > Aviation that appeared, I believe, in the 70's, about the PSRU designed
> > by
> > > > Bud Rinker, using the gear reduction box from a Type 2 (bus) Volkswagon
> > > > transaxle. The system is commonly referred to as a Rinker redrive or
> > Rinker
> > > > PSRU, and can be used to reduce prop speed on the Corvair engine.
> > Vertical
> > > > Systems, the outfit that markets the plans set for it, seems to have
> > dropped
> > > > off of the face of the earth. I've contacted the EAA library, but they
> > were
> > > > unable to give me any solid leads. I'm certain that either Bud Rinker
> > had
> > > > an article published or that someone else did, about his system.
> > However,
> > > > EAA is unable to do a search that far back by author name, and none of
> > the
> > > > titles they cited mentioned the Rinker PSRU (not directly in the title.
> > I'm
> > > > certain the information is there, but I can't seem to locate it. Help!
> > > >
> > > > Mark Boynton
> > > > Gilbert, AZ
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________________
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Landing gear |
Pat & Bud
I built the wood landing gear so can not help you with tube sizes
but, as has oft been repeated at Brodhead and elsewhere, build the rudder
bar per the plans, not rudder pedals for the back 'pit.
Tom
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mboynton(at)excite.com |
| Subject: | Re: Help, need info |
Warren,
I really do appreciate the help. I'll stand by and hope for the best.
Mark
> Follow-up:
> Got in touch with Bud's daughter, who called her Dad. He knows that
this guy
> has a project of some kind going at the local airport and is going to find
him and
> see what he can do.
> Bud apparently no longer has any drawings or data sheets, having sold
them to
> this guy. Will keep you posted.
> Warren
>
> Warren Shoun wrote:
>
> > Mark,
> > I just checked: they shut down their website in December, and Eric,
the
> > site host, has no forwarding information for them.
> > I have tried in the fast few months to recontact Bud Rinker and
there is no
> > answer at the old number that I had or it is busy for 6-10 hours. Will
continue
> > to see what I can do.
> > Warren
> >
> > mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
> >
> > > Warren,
> > >
> > > Thanks. The kicker is that Vertical Systems no longer has an internet
site,
> > > and a phone call results in "that number has been disconnected or is
no
> > > longer in service..." Also, they no longer have e-mail (at least not
at the
> > > address we have). Do you know if Bud Rinker will take a call for
> > > information and if so, how to get ahold of him? Thanks for your
help.
> > >
> > > Mark Boynton
> > > Gilbert, AZ
> > >
> > >
> > > > I tracked Bud Rinker down in Santa Barbara, CA and he referred
me to
> > > these
> > > > folks, as the interest had dried up and he was retired, so he gave
it to
> > > them to
> > > > handle.
> > > > Vertical Systems
> > > > 34 Paradise Road
> > > > Santa Barbara, CA, 93105
> > > > e-mail at vertsys(at)west.net and a web page at
> > > http://www.west.net/~vertsys
> > > > The plans set is $75.00 plus $2.00 postage, with particular
> > > attention to
> > > > Corvair engine application.
> > > > Haven't tried any of this for awhile, so can not confirm that they
are
> > > their any
> > > > longer.
> > > > Warren
> > > >
> > > > mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > To all:
> > > > >
> > > > > Can any of you provide information about the article or articles
in
> > > Sport
> > > > > Aviation that appeared, I believe, in the 70's, about the PSRU
designed
> > > by
> > > > > Bud Rinker, using the gear reduction box from a Type 2 (bus)
Volkswagon
> > > > > transaxle. The system is commonly referred to as a Rinker redrive
or
> > > Rinker
> > > > > PSRU, and can be used to reduce prop speed on the Corvair engine.
> > > Vertical
> > > > > Systems, the outfit that markets the plans set for it, seems to
have
> > > dropped
> > > > > off of the face of the earth. I've contacted the EAA library, but
they
> > > were
> > > > > unable to give me any solid leads. I'm certain that either Bud
Rinker
> > > had
> > > > > an article published or that someone else did, about his system.
> > > However,
> > > > > EAA is unable to do a search that far back by author name, and
none of
> > > the
> > > > > titles they cited mentioned the Rinker PSRU (not directly in the
title.
> > > I'm
> > > > > certain the information is there, but I can't seem to locate it.
Help!
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark Boynton
> > > > > Gilbert, AZ
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________________
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________________
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | PietChat(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Help, need info |
In a message dated 4/1/99 9:29:47 AM Central Standard Time,
mboynton(at)excite.com writes:
<< Subj: Help, need info
Date: 4/1/99 9:29:47 AM Central Standard Time
From: mboynton(at)excite.com
Sender: Maiser(at)adena.byu.edu
Reply-to: piet(at)byu.edu (Pietenpol Discussion)
To: piet(at)byu.edu (Pietenpol Discussion)
To all:
Can any of you provide information about the article or articles in Sport
Aviation that appeared, I believe, in the 70's, about the PSRU designed by
Bud Rinker, using the gear reduction box from a Type 2 (bus) Volkswagon
transaxle. The system is commonly referred to as a Rinker redrive or Rinker
PSRU, and can be used to reduce prop speed on the Corvair engine. Vertical
Systems, the outfit that markets the plans set for it, seems to have dropped
off of the face of the earth. I've contacted the EAA library, but they were
unable to give me any solid leads. I'm certain that either Bud Rinker had
an article published or that someone else did, about his system. However,
EAA is unable to do a search that far back by author name, and none of the
titles they cited mentioned the Rinker PSRU (not directly in the title. I'm
certain the information is there, but I can't seem to locate it. Help!
>>
Mark:
The three (3) articles concerning the above appeared in "Sport Aviation"
as follows:
"Volkswagon Reduction Box on the Corvair"
Mar., 1970, p. 46, 47 & 48.
"Testing the Corvair"
Dec., 1970, p. 19, 20, 21 & 22.
"Update on the Corvair Engine Syndrome"
Dec., 1974, p. 63, 64 & 65.
Best of luck,
Bob Boatright
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
Kevin:
What part of Houston do you live. I guess the west side if
you fly from Weiser Airpark. I hang my head down in Katy
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mboynton(at)excite.com |
| Subject: | Re: Help, need info |
Bob,
Fantastic. Just ordered those three articles from EAA. Thanks.
Mark Boynton
Gilbert, AZ
> In a message dated 4/1/99 9:29:47 AM Central Standard Time,
> mboynton(at)excite.com writes:
>
> << Subj: Help, need info
> Date: 4/1/99 9:29:47 AM Central Standard Time
> From: mboynton(at)excite.com
> Sender: Maiser(at)adena.byu.edu
> Reply-to: piet(at)byu.edu (Pietenpol Discussion)
> To: piet(at)byu.edu (Pietenpol Discussion)
>
> To all:
>
> Can any of you provide information about the article or articles in
Sport
> Aviation that appeared, I believe, in the 70's, about the PSRU designed
by
> Bud Rinker, using the gear reduction box from a Type 2 (bus) Volkswagon
> transaxle. The system is commonly referred to as a Rinker redrive or
Rinker
> PSRU, and can be used to reduce prop speed on the Corvair engine.
Vertical
> Systems, the outfit that markets the plans set for it, seems to have
dropped
> off of the face of the earth. I've contacted the EAA library, but they
were
> unable to give me any solid leads. I'm certain that either Bud Rinker
had
> an article published or that someone else did, about his system.
However,
> EAA is unable to do a search that far back by author name, and none of
the
> titles they cited mentioned the Rinker PSRU (not directly in the title.
I'm
> certain the information is there, but I can't seem to locate it. Help!
> >>
>
> Mark:
>
> The three (3) articles concerning the above appeared in "Sport Aviation"
> as follows:
>
> "Volkswagon Reduction Box on the Corvair"
> Mar., 1970, p. 46, 47 & 48.
>
> "Testing the Corvair"
> Dec., 1970, p. 19, 20, 21 & 22.
>
> "Update on the Corvair Engine Syndrome"
> Dec., 1974, p. 63, 64 & 65.
>
> Best of luck,
> Bob Boatright
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
Hi List! Yesterday I received my video from Michael Cuy. I'm mad at
Michael now because I stayed up till all hours of the night watching, then
re-watching it. It's about 2+ hours of really neat flying scenes (coupled
with appropriate music), assembly scenes (which were really good, and he put
in lots and lots of tips) and scenes from the 1998 Brodhead fly-in (there
are two girls flying a Ford equipped Piet, I nearly fell over, that was the
neatest thing I've seen! I want to hear their story!).
In my opinion, if there is anyone out there that either has a Piet, or is
considering building a Piet, then I feel this video is a "must have". If
you're going to buy belt buckles, hats, and t-shirts, in order to promote
the hobby and preserve history, this you'll want to include this tape in the
mix also.
Also on the tape is Michaels VERY FIRST flight, and very first successful
landing! There are clips where he's showing the Piet to school age
children, plus other scenes where he's showing his Piet to us older
children.
Nope, I'm not getting a free tape, or one penny, for this post. But as a
newcomer (to the Pietenpol end of the hobby,) I have to say that I learned
a tremendous amount from watching it, and highly recommend it.
This video is a worthwhile and important addition to any persons or clubs
library.
Robert (Hey Michael, I want a free ride in your Piet now!) Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "D.J.H." <ve6zh(at)cnnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Help, need info |
Have a complete copy of the arcticle here.Could give the year date etc of
the mag.
Doug
> From: mboynton(at)excite.com
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Help, need info
> Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 8:25 AM
>
> To all:
>
> Can any of you provide information about the article or articles in Sport
> Aviation that appeared, I believe, in the 70's, about the PSRU designed
by
> Bud Rinker, using the gear reduction box from a Type 2 (bus) Volkswagon
> transaxle. The system is commonly referred to as a Rinker redrive or
Rinker
> PSRU, and can be used to reduce prop speed on the Corvair engine.
Vertical
> Systems, the outfit that markets the plans set for it, seems to have
dropped
> off of the face of the earth. I've contacted the EAA library, but they
were
> unable to give me any solid leads. I'm certain that either Bud Rinker
had
> an article published or that someone else did, about his system.
However,
> EAA is unable to do a search that far back by author name, and none of
the
> titles they cited mentioned the Rinker PSRU (not directly in the title.
I'm
> certain the information is there, but I can't seem to locate it. Help!
>
> Mark Boynton
> Gilbert, AZ
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________
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| From: | "D.J.H." <ve6zh(at)cnnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Belt buckles |
Sounds A-OK.
Doug
> From: Rob Hart <rhart(at)cyllene.uwa.edu.au>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Belt buckles
> Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 8:50 PM
>
>
> >Sounds interesting Rob,what do you supose thhey would cost in Canadian
> >$$,as i live in Alberta?
>
>
> Probably minimal, though the cost would be dependent on the amount of
metal
> (i.e. order nos). Also, we only cast every so often, so time frame might
be
> more of a problem to predict. Stab in the dark, maybe $10-$20? Too much?
>
> Rob
> Oz Piets: Nearly the only ones to fly inverted...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "D.J.H." <ve6zh(at)cnnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing gear |
> From: steve(at)byu.edu
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: RE: Landing gear
> Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 11:51 AM
>
> The tubes are 1-3/8" by .079 wall if I remember correctly. (you would
think
> I should) I built by rudder pedals per plans.
> Steve e.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Patcoolnet(at)aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 1999 10:43 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Landing gear
>
>
> Hi There! I am sending this for my Dad, so you might have to read
between
> the
> lines--He has the fusalage about done for his Piet and is looking to get
> going
> on building the landing gear--here is what he asked me to send:
> Please quote the diameter and thickness of the 4130 tubing you used to
make
> your landing gear. I can find no fraction or guage to translate to the
> decimals quoted on Don Pietonpol's plans. Can you also tell me how you
> built
> pedals for your brakes and rudders. I am doing the front as top humg and
> rear
> the same as Piet front pedals but floor mount.
>
> Hope this makes sense and I can get some help for Dad. I monitor your
site
> and print out what I think he would like to read. Thanks, Pat Cooley for
> Bud
> Cooley
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "D.J.H." <ve6zh(at)cnnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing gear |
Please change my address to ve6zh(at)oanet.com
Tnx Doug
> From: steve(at)byu.edu
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: RE: Landing gear
> Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 11:51 AM
>
> The tubes are 1-3/8" by .079 wall if I remember correctly. (you would
think
> I should) I built by rudder pedals per plans.
> Steve e.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Patcoolnet(at)aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 1999 10:43 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Landing gear
>
>
> Hi There! I am sending this for my Dad, so you might have to read
between
> the
> lines--He has the fusalage about done for his Piet and is looking to get
> going
> on building the landing gear--here is what he asked me to send:
> Please quote the diameter and thickness of the 4130 tubing you used to
make
> your landing gear. I can find no fraction or guage to translate to the
> decimals quoted on Don Pietonpol's plans. Can you also tell me how you
> built
> pedals for your brakes and rudders. I am doing the front as top humg and
> rear
> the same as Piet front pedals but floor mount.
>
> Hope this makes sense and I can get some help for Dad. I monitor your
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