Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-aq
April 01, 1999 - April 14, 1999
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> and print out what I think he would like to read. Thanks, Pat Cooley for
> Bud
> Cooley
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| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
Hey:
Since the hats, shirts, and belts seem to be taken, I was
thinking of coming up with my own licensed merchandise. I
am thinking a Pietenpol Winnebago. Let me know. If I can
get a deposit of say, ten grand from, oh eight or nine
pigeons... I mean people, I'd make a go at it.
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| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
| Subject: | Re: Landing gear |
Is your Dad building the split gear or the Jenny style gear with the
straight axle? The axle shaft for the Jenny style gear is made from a 61
1/2" legnth of 1 1/2 by 12ga. 4130.
I have heard a good reason to use the rudder bar. If the pilot inadvertantly
tips the airframe on its nose or comes close to doing so he will likely put
both feet hard on the bar. Its pivot point will take the load with out
adding any strain on the rudder hinges and cables.
John Mc
-----Original Message-----
From: Patcoolnet(at)aol.com
Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 10:47 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing gear
>Hi There! I am sending this for my Dad, so you might have to read between
the
>lines--He has the fusalage about done for his Piet and is looking to get
going
>on building the landing gear--here is what he asked me to send:
>Please quote the diameter and thickness of the 4130 tubing you used to make
>your landing gear. I can find no fraction or guage to translate to the
>decimals quoted on Don Pietonpol's plans. Can you also tell me how you
built
>pedals for your brakes and rudders. I am doing the front as top humg and
rear
>the same as Piet front pedals but floor mount.
>
>Hope this makes sense and I can get some help for Dad. I monitor your site
>and print out what I think he would like to read. Thanks, Pat Cooley for
Bud
>Cooley
>
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| From: | "D.J.H." <ve6zh(at)cnnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Stuff... |
Stop it, my ribs are killing me.
> From: Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Piet Stuff...
> Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 8:37 PM
>
> Hey:
> Since the hats, shirts, and belts seem to be taken, I was
> thinking of coming up with my own licensed merchandise. I
> am thinking a Pietenpol Winnebago. Let me know. If I can
> get a deposit of say, ten grand from, oh eight or nine
> pigeons... I mean people, I'd make a go at it.
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear |
Hi Gang,
Why not put rudder pedals in the rear cockpit instead of the
rudder bar? I know the plans show a rudder bar in the rear
and pedals in the front, but when I built mine thirty years (+)
ago, I reversed this by using Cub J-3 pedals in the rear and
the rudder bar up front. The main reason was that I was using
mechanical brakes with heel pedals and concluded that they
were easier to operate with rudder pedals, having a feel simi-
lar to that of a Cub or Aeronca Champion.
There never has been a problem with this setup. The wheels
are Shinn 6.00 - 6 from a Taylorcraft and they are lightweight
ones with good brakes. If I were to do another Piet with heel
brakes, the rudder pedals would still be in the back.
Since I was installing brakes, I moved the main wheel axles
about three inches forward from the position shown on the
plans. Again, I would not change this if I were to build another
Pietenpol. It is a long time ago, but I seem to recall BHP re-
commending this if brakes were installed. (My aircraft has the
so-called "short fuselage" with the firewall six inches further
ahead of the position for the Ford engine; this, too, was re-
commended by BHP himself for a Continental engine instal-
lation.)
I hope this info. is useful to the group.
Cheers,
Graham Hansen (CF-AUN)
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| From: | Martin Montague <ceo(at)bluestaraviation.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Belt buckles |
please take me off the recipient list. my email is too clogged.
thanks
martin
Richard DeCosta wrote:
> If we keep this up, pretty soon you'll be able to go to Brodhead and
> every last thing you wear will have some sort of Piet logo/picture on
> it! Haha! Wont we look like quite the fashon freaks!
>
> :)
>
> --- Rob Hart wrote:
> > Crew
> >
> > In line with the recent branching of the Piet fraternity into fashion
> > wear, I have decided to offer to the group belt buckles, if any are
> > interested. I have made one up, I think it looks rather flash. Cast
> > from bronze, it's a standard 3 1/2 inch X 2 1/2 inch, 3/16 thick,
> with
> > an embossed Piet on the front. Standard belt loop and buckle pin at
> > the back.
> >
> > If anyone is interested, I can get a batch done. The mold for the
> > first is reusable, so all I need is a measure of how many. I am also
> > working on an oval design, though it might take a little longer.
> Metal
> > looks like pale brass/gold. As I have all the gear, if anyone wants a
> > special (own rego, etc), that's possible tho' will take a little
> > longer. Wife, three kids and a PhD to finish kinda take up a bit of
> > time.
> >
> > Let me know
> >
> > Rob
> > Oz Piets: Nearly the only ones to fly inverted...
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Crew
>
> In line with the recent branching of the
> Piet
> fraternity into fashion wear, I have decided to offer to the group belt
> buckles,
> if any are interested. I have made one up, I think it looks rather
> flash.
> Cast from bronze, it's a standard 3 1/2 inch X 2 1/2 inch, 3/16 thick,
> with an
> embossed Piet on the front. Standard belt loop and buckle pin at the
> back.
>
> If anyone is interested, I can get a
> batch done.
> The mold for the first is reusable, so all I need is a measure of how
> many. I am
> also working on an oval design, though it might take a little longer.
> Metal
> looks like pale brass/gold. As I have all the gear, if anyone wants a
> special
> (own rego, etc), that's possible tho' will take a little longer. Wife,
> three
> kids and a PhD to finish kinda take up a bit of time.
>
> Let me know
>
> Rob
> Oz Piets: Nearly the
> only
> ones to fly inverted...
>
> ===
> http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
>
> "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
>
>
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| From: | oil can <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | rate of climb ?? |
I'm a little bit curiout about the rate of climb of the varias engine
types in the piete airplane.
If anybody knows, what is the rate of climb (one pilot, full fuel)
of the piet with:
standard ford "a"
Contential 65
contenental 85
I ask as I'm still looking for an engine, and this seems to be a pretty
good way to measure adaquite engine power.
Lastly, please pardon my spelling, I've the day off tomorrow, and this
hour is WAY...past my bedtime.
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| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
>Hi List! Yesterday I received my video ........
>Robert (Hey Michael, I want a free ride in your Piet now!)
Robert !! Thanks for the nice comments about the tape...and
by the way, was yours one of the tapes with the 'free ride' coupon
inside ? :))) You bet- Anyone interested in Piets who swings by
the Clev. OH area is always welcome to a free ride !!
Mike C>
Hi List! Yesterday I received my video ........
Robert (Hey Michael, I want a free ride in your
Piet now!)
Robert !! Thanks for the nice comments about the
tape...and
by the way, was yours one of the tapes with the 'free ride' coupon
inside ? :))) You bet- Anyone interested in Piets who
swings by
the Clev. OH area is always welcome to a free ride !!
Mike C
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| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
>Can you send me a video? How much and where do I send the check. Sounds too
>good to pass up.
>
>William Koucky
>Traverse City, MI
Bill, Guys, info on the video is at this site below.....
Happy Easter !!
Mike C.
http://users.aol.com/bpabpabpa/cuyvideo.html
Can you send me a video? How much and where do I send the
check. Sounds too
good to pass up.
William Koucky
Traverse City, MI
Bill, Guys, info on the video is at this site
below.....
Happy Easter !!
Mike C.
http://users.aol.com/bpabpabpa/cuyvideo.html
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| From: | DonanClara(at)aol.com |
Michael, I have been ignoring most of the Piet paraphernalia that seems to be
dominating the 'discussions' lately and have even contemplated unsubscribing
but then along comes something like your video which seems to be getting rave
revues. Unfortunately, I don't recall seeing your original offer with price
and ordering details. I am close to covering my 'A' powered project and would
relly like to see your tape. would you please repeat this info for me and any
others who may have missed it. Thanx, Don Hicks
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| From: | DonanClara(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | landing gear placement |
On 3/29/99 Al posed a question regarding landing gear placement when using
the Model 'A' with the long fuselage and brakes. Although there has been
discussion pertaining to this subject when using Continentals and Corvairs I
did not see any replies specifically addressing Al's query. My project is
the same configuration and I would also appreciate comment from anyone with
operating experience with this combination. I posed a similar question some
time ago and mentioned Frank Pavliga Sr's comment that his 'A' powered Piet
was built with the long fuselage and he was 'happy that it was' . but did not
recieve a reply. I understand Pavliga's plane was later fitted with a
Continental. Also gang, I would hope that future discussions might move more
toward building and flying and ease up some on the commercialism. Don Hicks
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| From: | DonanClara(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: landing gear placement |
In a message dated 4/2/99 8:59:16 AM Central Standard Time,
DonanClara(at)aol.com writes:
<<
Received: from adena.byu.edu ("port 3319"@adena.byu.edu [128.187.22.180]) >>
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| From: | arkiesacres(at)juno.com |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Stuff... |
You know I am doing some long term planning for a new Motorhome and a
Piet Home would be nice, Can I put it on Lay A Way with say 5 grand now
and then 5 grand per year for 15 yrs? Then you can give me the delivery
address so I can pick it up in 2015.
Gordon
PS. I was thinking about selling Piet Key Chains made from wood from an
Original 1932 Piet.
writes:
>Hey:
>Since the hats, shirts, and belts seem to be taken, I was
>thinking of coming up with my own licensed merchandise. I
>am thinking a Pietenpol Winnebago. Let me know. If I can
>get a deposit of say, ten grand from, oh eight or nine
>pigeons... I mean people, I'd make a go at it.
>
__________
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| From: | mboynton(at)excite.com |
| Subject: | Re: Help, need info |
Warren...
...and any other interested parties. I think the mystery is solved. I came
across some papers I'd archived a while back - a response to an e-mail I
sent to Vertical Systems when they were still up and running. I did a
search on the net, by name and state, for the home phone number of the
individual who responded, and got a hit in Santa Barbara. On the off chance
that it might be the same person that responded to my e-mail, I made a call
and it was. He still has the plans for the Rinker PSRU and they still are
available. He plans on reposting on the internet some time in the future.
If any of you are interested, I have the information. Warren, I may have
put you to some unnecessary running around. Please accept my apologies. It
was just a stroke of luck that I came across that correspondance. Again,
thanks for your help.
Mark Boynton
Gilbert, AZ
> Follow-up:
> Got in touch with Bud's daughter, who called her Dad. He knows that
this guy
> has a project of some kind going at the local airport and is going to find
him and
> see what he can do.
> Bud apparently no longer has any drawings or data sheets, having sold
them to
> this guy. Will keep you posted.
> Warren
>
> Warren Shoun wrote:
>
> > Mark,
> > I just checked: they shut down their website in December, and Eric,
the
> > site host, has no forwarding information for them.
> > I have tried in the fast few months to recontact Bud Rinker and
there is no
> > answer at the old number that I had or it is busy for 6-10 hours. Will
continue
> > to see what I can do.
> > Warren
> >
> > mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
> >
> > > Warren,
> > >
> > > Thanks. The kicker is that Vertical Systems no longer has an internet
site,
> > > and a phone call results in "that number has been disconnected or is
no
> > > longer in service..." Also, they no longer have e-mail (at least not
at the
> > > address we have). Do you know if Bud Rinker will take a call for
> > > information and if so, how to get ahold of him? Thanks for your
help.
> > >
> > > Mark Boynton
> > > Gilbert, AZ
> > >
> > >
> > > > I tracked Bud Rinker down in Santa Barbara, CA and he referred
me to
> > > these
> > > > folks, as the interest had dried up and he was retired, so he gave
it to
> > > them to
> > > > handle.
> > > > Vertical Systems
> > > > 34 Paradise Road
> > > > Santa Barbara, CA, 93105
> > > > e-mail at vertsys(at)west.net and a web page at
> > > http://www.west.net/~vertsys
> > > > The plans set is $75.00 plus $2.00 postage, with particular
> > > attention to
> > > > Corvair engine application.
> > > > Haven't tried any of this for awhile, so can not confirm that they
are
> > > their any
> > > > longer.
> > > > Warren
> > > >
> > > > mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > To all:
> > > > >
> > > > > Can any of you provide information about the article or articles
in
> > > Sport
> > > > > Aviation that appeared, I believe, in the 70's, about the PSRU
designed
> > > by
> > > > > Bud Rinker, using the gear reduction box from a Type 2 (bus)
Volkswagon
> > > > > transaxle. The system is commonly referred to as a Rinker redrive
or
> > > Rinker
> > > > > PSRU, and can be used to reduce prop speed on the Corvair engine.
> > > Vertical
> > > > > Systems, the outfit that markets the plans set for it, seems to
have
> > > dropped
> > > > > off of the face of the earth. I've contacted the EAA library, but
they
> > > were
> > > > > unable to give me any solid leads. I'm certain that either Bud
Rinker
> > > had
> > > > > an article published or that someone else did, about his system.
> > > However,
> > > > > EAA is unable to do a search that far back by author name, and
none of
> > > the
> > > > > titles they cited mentioned the Rinker PSRU (not directly in the
title.
> > > I'm
> > > > > certain the information is there, but I can't seem to locate it.
Help!
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark Boynton
> > > > > Gilbert, AZ
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________________
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________________
>
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| From: | mboynton(at)excite.com |
| Subject: | Re: Help, need info |
Doug,
Could you give me the month and year of that edition and the title of the
article. Thanks.
Mark Boynton
Gilbert, AZ
> Have a complete copy of the arcticle here.Could give the year date etc
of
> the mag.
> Doug
>
> ----------
> > From: mboynton(at)excite.com
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: Help, need info
> > Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 8:25 AM
> >
> > To all:
> >
> > Can any of you provide information about the article or articles in
Sport
> > Aviation that appeared, I believe, in the 70's, about the PSRU designed
> by
> > Bud Rinker, using the gear reduction box from a Type 2 (bus) Volkswagon
> > transaxle. The system is commonly referred to as a Rinker redrive or
> Rinker
> > PSRU, and can be used to reduce prop speed on the Corvair engine.
> Vertical
> > Systems, the outfit that markets the plans set for it, seems to have
> dropped
> > off of the face of the earth. I've contacted the EAA library, but they
> were
> > unable to give me any solid leads. I'm certain that either Bud Rinker
> had
> > an article published or that someone else did, about his system.
> However,
> > EAA is unable to do a search that far back by author name, and none of
> the
> > titles they cited mentioned the Rinker PSRU (not directly in the title.
> I'm
> > certain the information is there, but I can't seem to locate it. Help!
> >
> > Mark Boynton
> > Gilbert, AZ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________________
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| From: | Rob Hart <rhart(at)cyllene.uwa.edu.au> |
unsubscribe
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| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: landing gear placement |
Frank Sr. and Frank Jr. originally built Sky Gypsy (long fuse)
with a Model A and moved the gear forward a few inches....
not exactly sure, maybe 2, 3 or 4" forward. That was too
much according to Frank Jr. (it took way long with full
forward stick on takeoff to get the tail up to you could
see where you were going) When they installed the 65 Cont.
they built a new wood gear and placed the gear back to or
near the plans placement and now all is well.
(EARL M, if I'm incorrect on these items please correct me
for the benefit of the crew..tanks.)
Mike C.
Frank Sr. and Frank Jr. originally built Sky Gypsy (long fuse)
with a Model A and moved the gear forward a few inches....
not exactly sure, maybe 2, 3 or 4 forward. That was too
much according to Frank Jr. (it took way long with
full
forward stick on takeoff to get the tail up to you could
see where you were going) When they installed the 65
Cont.
they built a new wood gear and placed the gear back to or
near the plans placement and now all is well.
(EARL M, if I'm incorrect on these items please correct me
for the benefit of the crew..tanks.)
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Martin Montague <ceo(at)bluestaraviation.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Stuff... |
please get me off the list of pietenpol discussions thanks
D.J.H. wrote:
> Stop it, my ribs are killing me.
>
> ----------
> > From: Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net>
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: Piet Stuff...
> > Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 8:37 PM
> >
> > Hey:
> > Since the hats, shirts, and belts seem to be taken, I was
> > thinking of coming up with my own licensed merchandise. I
> > am thinking a Pietenpol Winnebago. Let me know. If I can
> > get a deposit of say, ten grand from, oh eight or nine
> > pigeons... I mean people, I'd make a go at it.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "D.J.H." <ve6zh(at)cnnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Help, need info |
The article was from March 1970.
Doug
> From: mboynton(at)excite.com
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Help, need info
> Date: Friday, April 02, 1999 8:24 AM
>
> Doug,
>
> Could you give me the month and year of that edition and the title of the
> article. Thanks.
>
> Mark Boynton
> Gilbert, AZ
>
>
> > Have a complete copy of the arcticle here.Could give the year date etc
> of
> > the mag.
> > Doug
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: mboynton(at)excite.com
> > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > > Subject: Help, need info
> > > Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 8:25 AM
> > >
> > > To all:
> > >
> > > Can any of you provide information about the article or articles in
> Sport
> > > Aviation that appeared, I believe, in the 70's, about the PSRU
designed
> > by
> > > Bud Rinker, using the gear reduction box from a Type 2 (bus)
Volkswagon
> > > transaxle. The system is commonly referred to as a Rinker redrive or
> > Rinker
> > > PSRU, and can be used to reduce prop speed on the Corvair engine.
> > Vertical
> > > Systems, the outfit that markets the plans set for it, seems to have
> > dropped
> > > off of the face of the earth. I've contacted the EAA library, but
they
> > were
> > > unable to give me any solid leads. I'm certain that either Bud
Rinker
> > had
> > > an article published or that someone else did, about his system.
> > However,
> > > EAA is unable to do a search that far back by author name, and none
of
> > the
> > > titles they cited mentioned the Rinker PSRU (not directly in the
title.
>
> > I'm
> > > certain the information is there, but I can't seem to locate it.
Help!
> > >
> > > Mark Boynton
> > > Gilbert, AZ
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________
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| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: landing gear placement |
Did I hear someone say that if building another Piet you would build out
of
white pine and extend the wing span ? I meant to reply to sender but
deleted your message accidently. Would you please explain your
reasoning behind the longer wing span, stall,climb, glide ??
----
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| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Help, need info |
If you'll call the EAA and talk with a gentleman named
Owens he has a Sport aviation archive and most back
issues of Sport Aviation,example I asked for a list
of all back issues that contained articles or featured
Pietenpols and what a list I got,boy talk about DATA
load, Pietenpols that fly on Kawasakis, Subaru's
radials,steam engines just kidding about that last one!
Any how tell him what you want and he'll send you
the Sport Aviation that has the article.
-----Original Message-----
From: mboynton(at)excite.com <mboynton(at)excite.com>
Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 11:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Help, need info
>Phil,
>
>Thanks. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
>Mark Boynton
>Gilbert, AZ
>
>
>> Mark, I have mosyt of the Sport Aviations from the 70s. I will look and
>> see if I have the article. Let you know in about three days.
>>
>> Phil Phillips
>>
>> ----------
>> > From: mboynton(at)excite.com
>> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> > Subject: Help, need info
>> > Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 7:25 AM
>> >
>> > To all:
>> >
>> > Can any of you provide information about the article or articles in
>Sport
>> > Aviation that appeared, I believe, in the 70's, about the PSRU designed
>> by
>> > Bud Rinker, using the gear reduction box from a Type 2 (bus) Volkswagon
>> > transaxle. The system is commonly referred to as a Rinker redrive or
>> Rinker
>> > PSRU, and can be used to reduce prop speed on the Corvair engine.
>> Vertical
>> > Systems, the outfit that markets the plans set for it, seems to have
>> dropped
>> > off of the face of the earth. I've contacted the EAA library, but they
>> were
>> > unable to give me any solid leads. I'm certain that either Bud Rinker
>> had
>> > an article published or that someone else did, about his system.
>> However,
>> > EAA is unable to do a search that far back by author name, and none of
>> the
>> > titles they cited mentioned the Rinker PSRU (not directly in the title.
>
>> I'm
>> > certain the information is there, but I can't seem to locate it. Help!
>> >
>> > Mark Boynton
>> > Gilbert, AZ
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________________
>
>
>_______________________________________________________
>
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| Subject: | Well, I finally up an' dood it! |
The weather here in the Sunny South has been absolutely un-sunny, so the
strip is too wet to fly the T41. My buddy's Cub is back-ordered for a wing
strut, so I just ain't goin' to fly soon. Made up my mind that this was a
good time to stop procrastinating, and went up to the attic and got down that
1"x12"x12' spruce spar stock that I brought from Chicago when I moved into
this house in '74. Gee, it makes nice smelling sawdust. When I was finished
making a mess in the garage I had a pair of center section spars, all the
pieces for the horizontal tail and probably enough for the verticals as well
( STILL have some left over!)
Now I, too, can sit amongst the sticks and sawdust and make airplane noises.
I just can't imagine life without flight. As long as I've been working on
airplanes, and flying them, it still thrills me every time the wheels leave
the runway.
Icarus's only mistake was not reading the flight manual for his machine. His
service ceiling was lower than his expectations.
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| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Belt buckles |
Yes our local tatoo artist now has availiable
(born to fly low and slow) with enough orders
i'm sure he would go to Brodhead!!!
just kidding!
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Neal <llneal(at)earthlink.ten>
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 11:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Belt buckles
>Gee,
>This is starting to sound a bit like the Harley-Davidson thing!
>Larry
>
>Richard DeCosta wrote:
>
>> If we keep this up, pretty soon you'll be able to go to Brodhead and
>> every last thing you wear will have some sort of Piet logo/picture on
>> it! Haha! Wont we look like quite the fashon freaks!
>>
>> :)
>>
>> --- Rob Hart wrote:
>> > Crew
>> >
>> > In line with the recent branching of the Piet fraternity into fashion
>> > wear, I have decided to offer to the group belt buckles, if any are
>> > interested. I have made one up, I think it looks rather flash. Cast
>> > from bronze, it's a standard 3 1/2 inch X 2 1/2 inch, 3/16 thick,
>> with
>> > an embossed Piet on the front. Standard belt loop and buckle pin at
>> > the back.
>> >
>> > If anyone is interested, I can get a batch done. The mold for the
>> > first is reusable, so all I need is a measure of how many. I am also
>> > working on an oval design, though it might take a little longer.
>> Metal
>> > looks like pale brass/gold. As I have all the gear, if anyone wants a
>> > special (own rego, etc), that's possible tho' will take a little
>> > longer. Wife, three kids and a PhD to finish kinda take up a bit of
>> > time.
>> >
>> > Let me know
>> >
>> > Rob
>> > Oz Piets: Nearly the only ones to fly inverted...
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Crew
>>
>> In line with the recent branching of the
>> Piet
>> fraternity into fashion wear, I have decided to offer to the group belt
>> buckles,
>> if any are interested. I have made one up, I think it looks rather
>> flash.
>> Cast from bronze, it's a standard 3 1/2 inch X 2 1/2 inch, 3/16 thick,
>> with an
>> embossed Piet on the front. Standard belt loop and buckle pin at the
>> back.
>>
>> If anyone is interested, I can get a
>> batch done.
>> The mold for the first is reusable, so all I need is a measure of how
>> many. I am
>> also working on an oval design, though it might take a little longer.
>> Metal
>> looks like pale brass/gold. As I have all the gear, if anyone wants a
>> special
>> (own rego, etc), that's possible tho' will take a little longer. Wife,
>> three
>> kids and a PhD to finish kinda take up a bit of time.
>>
>> Let me know
>>
>> Rob
>> Oz Piets: Nearly the
>> only
>> ones to fly inverted...
>>
>> ===
>> http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
>> Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
>> http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
>>
>> "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by
God." -Gordon Baxter
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
>If you'll call the EAA and talk with a gentleman named
>Owens he has a Sport aviation archive.....
Guys- Ben Owen of EAA has retired and is no longer
with them. (unfortunately....a neat guy)
Mike C..
If you'll call the EAA and talk with a gentleman named
Owens he has a Sport aviation archive.....
Guys- Ben Owen of EAA has retired and is no longer
with them. (unfortunately....a neat guy)
Mike C..
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Smith, Randy" <RSmith2(at)reedtool.com> |
Yeah, Ben is a neat guy and a great resorce, well miss him! I understand he
had to retire so he could build airplanes! Never had the time while taking
care of all the rest of us.
Randy
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, April 02, 1999 11:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ben Owen
>If you'll call the EAA and talk with a gentleman named
>Owens he has a Sport aviation archive.....
Guys- Ben Owen of EAA has retired and is no longer
with them. (unfortunately....a neat guy)
Mike C..
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RGASKIN <randy(at)icomnet.com> |
I saw information for plans on 1/8" wing gap, Fiberglass tank, and no
gap ailerons but cannot relocate them for ordering. Please help.
Thanks in advance and may you be blessed with a tailwind. Randy
Gaskins
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: landing gear placement |
YES, THIS IS BASICALLY RIGHT
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov>
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Friday, April 02, 1999 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: landing gear placement
Frank Sr. and Frank Jr. originally built Sky Gypsy (long fuse)
with a Model A and moved the gear forward a few inches....
not exactly sure, maybe 2, 3 or 4" forward. That was too
much according to Frank Jr. (it took way long with full
forward stick on takeoff to get the tail up to you could
see where you were going) When they installed the 65 Cont.
they built a new wood gear and placed the gear back to or
near the plans placement and now all is well.
(EARL M, if I'm incorrect on these items please correct me
for the benefit of the crew..tanks.)
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
Here you go Randy:
Gary S. Price
Yesterday's Wings Aeroplane Works, Inc.
Historic Hampton Airfield, Lafayette Road, Route-1, North Hampton, NH
03862-9998
Phone: (603) 436-7360 Office: (603) 964-6749 Airfield.
Gary provides excellent drawings and full color photos of these
designs.
Best Regards,
Warren.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
Sorry everyone, but finally here's the picture of the Piet that's for sale
that I promised to put on the net a couple of days ago.
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com/aircraft.htm
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "D. Scott Eberhardt" |
I would like to subscribe to the Pietenpol e-mail group
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Martin Montague <ceo(at)bluestaraviation.com> |
please assist me in removing me from the recipient list as nobody is
listining to my request. thank you
Michael Cuy wrote:
> >Can you send me a video? How much and where do I send the check.
> Sounds too
> >good to pass up.
> >
> >William Koucky
> >Traverse City, MI
>
> Bill, Guys, info on the video is at this site below.....
> Happy Easter !!
> Mike C.
>
> http://users.aol.com/bpabpabpa/cuyvideo.html
please assist me in removing me from the recipient list as nobody is listining
to my request. thank you
Michael Cuy wrote:
>Can you send me a video? How much and where do I send the check.
Sounds too
>good to pass up.
>
>William Koucky
>Traverse City, MI
Bill, Guys, info on the video is at this site below.....
Happy Easter !!
Mike C.
http://users.aol.com/bpabpabpa/cuyvideo.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DonanClara(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | video and gear placement |
thanx Michael for your prompt reply to my e-mails on the above subjects. I
have posted my check for the tape and I'm certain I will find it of great
value seeing how someone else has approached the various construction
problems each Piet builder faces. In regard to the gear placement I am happy
to get some more info on the changes that were done to Sky Gypsy. I have my
gear positioned in accordance with the plans. I should get some clue to
whether I have a problem when I have done my pre-cover W&B but will not know
for sure until my first high speed taxi runs on how easily the tail comes
off. One thing I have learned over the years is to carefully weigh other
builders' methods and changes but to understand that every plane is unique
unto itself and that the only thing you should rely on is your own project.
However, having said that ,I must acknowledge that I have certainly benifited
from the many great ideas other builders have shared with me through personal
correspondence.
Don Hicks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
| Subject: | Re: Landing gear |
Graham and group,
Since there are so many variuos versions of the basic design. Would some
of you more experienced builders provide the gear position in relation to
the Cof G.? With or with out brakes.
I am still working on my engine(s) as I want to know the final fire wall
forward weight before I procede with the rest of the fuselage.
Thanks,
John Mc
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DonanClara(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Cuy video and gear placement |
Thanx Michael for your prompt reply to my e-mails on the above subjects. I
have posted my check for the tape and I'm certain I will find it of great
value seing how someone else has approached the various construction problems
each Piet builder faces. In regard to the gear placement I am happy to get
some more info on the changes that were done to Sky Gypsy. I have my gear
positioned in accordance with the plans. I should get some clue to whether I
have a problem when I have done my precover W&B but will not know for sure
until my first high speed taxi runs on how easily the tail come off. One
thing I have learned over the years is to carefully weigh other builder'
methods and changes but to understand that every plane is unique unto itself
and that the only thing you should rely on is your own project. However,
having said that , I must acknowledge that I have certainly benifited from
the many great ideas other builders have shared with me through personal
correspondence and the BPAN.
Don Hicks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: video and gear placement |
Will be sending you a check very soon!
-----Original Message-----
From: DonanClara(at)aol.com <DonanClara(at)aol.com>
Date: Sunday, April 04, 1999 10:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: video and gear placement
>thanx Michael for your prompt reply to my e-mails on the above subjects. I
>have posted my check for the tape and I'm certain I will find it of great
>value seeing how someone else has approached the various construction
>problems each Piet builder faces. In regard to the gear placement I am
happy
>to get some more info on the changes that were done to Sky Gypsy. I have
my
>gear positioned in accordance with the plans. I should get some clue to
>whether I have a problem when I have done my pre-cover W&B but will not
know
>for sure until my first high speed taxi runs on how easily the tail comes
>off. One thing I have learned over the years is to carefully weigh other
>builders' methods and changes but to understand that every plane is unique
>unto itself and that the only thing you should rely on is your own project.
>However, having said that ,I must acknowledge that I have certainly
benifited
>from the many great ideas other builders have shared with me through
personal
>correspondence.
>Don Hicks
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: video and gear placement |
I plan on attaching aileron to wing with hinge
how much gap should I plan on cutting out
of stock two accomadate piano hinge, I here
this is a good way to eliminate gap by using a hinge
of this type?
-----Original Message-----
From: DonanClara(at)aol.com <DonanClara(at)aol.com>
Date: Sunday, April 04, 1999 10:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: video and gear placement
>thanx Michael for your prompt reply to my e-mails on the above subjects. I
>have posted my check for the tape and I'm certain I will find it of great
>value seeing how someone else has approached the various construction
>problems each Piet builder faces. In regard to the gear placement I am
happy
>to get some more info on the changes that were done to Sky Gypsy. I have
my
>gear positioned in accordance with the plans. I should get some clue to
>whether I have a problem when I have done my pre-cover W&B but will not
know
>for sure until my first high speed taxi runs on how easily the tail comes
>off. One thing I have learned over the years is to carefully weigh other
>builders' methods and changes but to understand that every plane is unique
>unto itself and that the only thing you should rely on is your own project.
>However, having said that ,I must acknowledge that I have certainly
benifited
>from the many great ideas other builders have shared with me through
personal
>correspondence.
>Don Hicks
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Fw: Cuy video and gear placement |
Piet Group;
My plane (Champ) is based with Frank Pavliga's "SKY GYPSY".......if you
want pictures or answers to questions about specific items, let me know. If
Mike Cuy or I can't remember them, I'll just ask Frank.......we are partners
in a farming venture.................
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: DonanClara(at)aol.com <DonanClara(at)aol.com>
Date: Sunday, April 04, 1999 6:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cuy video and gear placement
>Thanx Michael for your prompt reply to my e-mails on the above subjects. I
>have posted my check for the tape and I'm certain I will find it of great
>value seing how someone else has approached the various construction
problems
>each Piet builder faces. In regard to the gear placement I am happy to get
>some more info on the changes that were done to Sky Gypsy. I have my gear
>positioned in accordance with the plans. I should get some clue to whether
I
>have a problem when I have done my precover W&B but will not know for sure
>until my first high speed taxi runs on how easily the tail come off. One
>thing I have learned over the years is to carefully weigh other builder'
>methods and changes but to understand that every plane is unique unto
itself
>and that the only thing you should rely on is your own project. However,
>having said that , I must acknowledge that I have certainly benifited from
>the many great ideas other builders have shared with me through personal
>correspondence and the BPAN.
>Don Hicks
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: video and gear placement |
RUSSEL;
I will send you a (free) drawing showing all the stuff needed to make that
hinge/gap seal modification like Mike Cuy uses.....I kinda know the
designer.........let me know where to send it. I ysed it on my Scout too.
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net>
Date: Sunday, April 04, 1999 7:19 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: video and gear placement
>I plan on attaching aileron to wing with hinge
>how much gap should I plan on cutting out
>of stock two accomadate piano hinge, I here
>this is a good way to eliminate gap by using a hinge
>of this type?
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: DonanClara(at)aol.com <DonanClara(at)aol.com>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Sunday, April 04, 1999 10:51 AM
>Subject: video and gear placement
>
>
>>thanx Michael for your prompt reply to my e-mails on the above subjects. I
>>have posted my check for the tape and I'm certain I will find it of great
>>value seeing how someone else has approached the various construction
>>problems each Piet builder faces. In regard to the gear placement I am
>happy
>>to get some more info on the changes that were done to Sky Gypsy. I have
>my
>>gear positioned in accordance with the plans. I should get some clue to
>>whether I have a problem when I have done my pre-cover W&B but will not
>know
>>for sure until my first high speed taxi runs on how easily the tail comes
>>off. One thing I have learned over the years is to carefully weigh other
>>builders' methods and changes but to understand that every plane is unique
>>unto itself and that the only thing you should rely on is your own
project.
>>However, having said that ,I must acknowledge that I have certainly
>benifited
>>from the many great ideas other builders have shared with me through
>personal
>>correspondence.
>>Don Hicks
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
Hi Folks;
I am getting closer to the production stage, one item I
still do not have in my shop is a welder. I am thinking of
going with a wire feeder. More for power requirements than
anything else. I understand these units can run on 110v/ 20
amp. and are somewhat compact. It sounds like some of you
have welders and use them a bit. I am sure this is
something I will use from now on, that is why I am thinking
of buying a good one. Does anybody have a recommendation or
warning about anything on the market? I figure if I get the
big ticket items bought first, the boss will not notice to
"total cost" of production.
thanks
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | fishin <fishin(at)wwa.com> |
Hello Group===gears down and locked,,axle bolted on,,compression spring
suspension,,cleveland 600/6s up front,,scott's in the back,,control
stick mounted,,instruments in place..today for the first time I climbed
in and what do you know---IT FITS!! the wife came out to the garage to
see where those strange sounds were coming from, when she seen me she
said" I should have known it was you, now don't move while I go for the
camera, this is a Kodak moment""
well I chickened out, did an aileron roll and bailed out before she
returned...God, that felt good..
JoeC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Hinchman <mikehi(at)molalla.net> |
| Subject: | Welders; one man's opinion |
I own a gas welding outfit. Traditionally, this kind of equipment has been
used for many years to weld 4130 tubing for aircraft. It works. Gas welding
is also somewhat of a dying skill, with the advent of wire-feed welding.
There is a letter from someone apparently knowledgeable in the latest issue
of Sport Aviation about wire-feed versus gas welding, in response to an
article written about the subject in a previous issue. It is worth reading,
because it makes good sense.
Of great concern to many people is that wire-feed welding doesn't produce as
wide a heated zone on each side of the weld, possibly causing more potential
for metal cracking, because of the affect of changing temper on the steel's
carbon content. The letter's response is very good and very well informed.
You must make your own decision, but do it from an informed standpoint. Get
current information from truly informed sources about welding 4130 and
potential for heat-affected zones (HAZ). In my opinion (and this is ONLY my
opinion) wire-feed welding is just as good as gas, and probably easier to
learn. Just learn to do it right, by practicing on pieces of the SAME
material.
I am not a welding expert, only a manufacturing engineer. I'll be welding a
Wag-a-Bond airframe down the road, but I will probably use my existing gas
equipment, since I have it and don't particularly feel like spending money
for more welding equipment. The woodwork on the wings comes first, though.
This is my opinion, and worth just what you paid for it. Hope it makes you
think, though.
Regards,
Mike
PS: I have the same kind of boss, who also notices things like expenditures
on airplane parts and services. I used to own a Tri-Pacer, but soon realized
that if I wanted to completely own my own airplane, I'd have to build it!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
Bill,
I have Two welders, an oxy acetylene set, and an ac/dc with a high
frequency TIG attachment. The TIG makes beautiful welds but is very fussy
about cleanliness. I still prefer the oxy set as I feel that I have better
control over the puddling and the flame can be made to heat areas of
different thickness. The TIG, being electric has the tendency to follow the
path of least resistance, and makes it difficult to get penetration in some
types of joints. It does however do a wonderful job on aluminum.
The oxy set has an advantage in steel that it heats the joint more evenly
and self anneals. The skill level required for either method is purely a
matter of understanding. Buy a good instructional book and practice,
practice, practice. Be prepared to make several parts over and test a few to
destruction.
I can't say much about MIG as I don't own one of those. The aviation
industry for decades did most of the steel welding and some aluminum with
oxy/ acetylene. It is still a good choice. I would feel lost without mine.
It may be a bit harder to learn but the quality of the end product is the
important thing. Practice, practice, patience!
I know the MIG welders are quicker but in my humble opinion the gas set will
prove more useful in the long term.
J Mc
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | oil can <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com> |
I am inclined to agree about the heat affected zone business. From my
reading, ...and experience in welding up my super ace fuselage.
They say that one should uniformly heat the tubing before welding...to
avoid warps, and to uniformaly adjust the metal to the welding temp.
Also one should cool the tube slowly after welding to avoid air hardning
of the 4130 steel tube...which IS an air hardning steel.
The mig will probably do fine to keep the tube from wiggling(like a
snake !!) but I am reasonably sure that you will encounter brittle welds
using mig from the air hardning nature of 4130 tube.
Also from what I have read, they say one should normalize the steel
after welding with a mig to avoid this problem. You normalize with a
oxy act welder.
Information I relate is from EAA book on building ACRO SPORT
aircraft...Title escapes me right now.
bob
>From: Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net>
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Welders?
>Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 19:46:56 -0500
>
>Hi Folks;
>
>I am getting closer to the production stage, one item I
>still do not have in my shop is a welder. I am thinking of
>going with a wire feeder. More for power requirements than
>anything else. I understand these units can run on 110v/ 20
>amp. and are somewhat compact. It sounds like some of you
>have welders and use them a bit. I am sure this is
>something I will use from now on, that is why I am thinking
>of buying a good one. Does anybody have a recommendation or
>warning about anything on the market? I figure if I get the
>big ticket items bought first, the boss will not notice to
>"total cost" of production.
>thanks
>Bill
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Bill- I am not an expert by any means, but I would suggest going with the
oxy-acetylene torch for aircraft welding. You will be welding small parts,
and the torch is easier to use on these pieces. Pre-heating with the gas
torch is automatic, and you will not get localized hardening. You can braze
and silver solder with the torch.
The EAA book titled "Aircraft Welding" only discusses gas welding, not arc
welding. It is a very good book.
Another book, "Welder's Handbook" by Richard Finch is also very good. He
says that gas welding is more suitable for 4130 steel, and that arc welding
4130 is more prone to cracking after it cools because of 4130's "graininess".
Just my opinion.
Al Swanson
>Hi Folks;
>
>I am getting closer to the production stage, one item I
>still do not have in my shop is a welder. I am thinking of
>going with a wire feeder. More for power requirements than
>anything else. I understand these units can run on 110v/ 20
>amp. and are somewhat compact. It sounds like some of you
>have welders and use them a bit. I am sure this is
>something I will use from now on, that is why I am thinking
>of buying a good one. Does anybody have a recommendation or
>warning about anything on the market? I figure if I get the
>big ticket items bought first, the boss will not notice to
>"total cost" of production.
>thanks
>Bill
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Neal <llneal(at)earthlink.ten> |
| Subject: | Re: Belt buckles |
Err... Kyle..,
Tell me again about the flaming "A" motors and the heart-shaped clouds labled
"Mother"!
LLN ;-)
kyle ray wrote:
> Yes our local tatoo artist now has availiable
> (born to fly low and slow) with enough orders
> i'm sure he would go to Brodhead!!!
>
> just kidding!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Neal <llneal(at)earthlink.ten>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 11:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Belt buckles
>
> >Gee,
> >This is starting to sound a bit like the Harley-Davidson thing!
> >Larry
> >
> >Richard DeCosta wrote:
> >
> >> If we keep this up, pretty soon you'll be able to go to Brodhead and
> >> every last thing you wear will have some sort of Piet logo/picture on
> >> it! Haha! Wont we look like quite the fashon freaks!
> >>
> >> :)
> >>
> >> --- Rob Hart wrote:
> >> > Crew
> >> >
> >> > In line with the recent branching of the Piet fraternity into fashion
> >> > wear, I have decided to offer to the group belt buckles, if any are
> >> > interested. I have made one up, I think it looks rather flash. Cast
> >> > from bronze, it's a standard 3 1/2 inch X 2 1/2 inch, 3/16 thick,
> >> with
> >> > an embossed Piet on the front. Standard belt loop and buckle pin at
> >> > the back.
> >> >
> >> > If anyone is interested, I can get a batch done. The mold for the
> >> > first is reusable, so all I need is a measure of how many. I am also
> >> > working on an oval design, though it might take a little longer.
> >> Metal
> >> > looks like pale brass/gold. As I have all the gear, if anyone wants a
> >> > special (own rego, etc), that's possible tho' will take a little
> >> > longer. Wife, three kids and a PhD to finish kinda take up a bit of
> >> > time.
> >> >
> >> > Let me know
> >> >
> >> > Rob
> >> > Oz Piets: Nearly the only ones to fly inverted...
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Crew
> >>
> >> In line with the recent branching of the
> >> Piet
> >> fraternity into fashion wear, I have decided to offer to the group belt
> >> buckles,
> >> if any are interested. I have made one up, I think it looks rather
> >> flash.
> >> Cast from bronze, it's a standard 3 1/2 inch X 2 1/2 inch, 3/16 thick,
> >> with an
> >> embossed Piet on the front. Standard belt loop and buckle pin at the
> >> back.
> >>
> >> If anyone is interested, I can get a
> >> batch done.
> >> The mold for the first is reusable, so all I need is a measure of how
> >> many. I am
> >> also working on an oval design, though it might take a little longer.
> >> Metal
> >> looks like pale brass/gold. As I have all the gear, if anyone wants a
> >> special
> >> (own rego, etc), that's possible tho' will take a little longer. Wife,
> >> three
> >> kids and a PhD to finish kinda take up a bit of time.
> >>
> >> Let me know
> >>
> >> Rob
> >> Oz Piets: Nearly the
> >> only
> >> ones to fly inverted...
> >>
> >> ===
> >> http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> >> Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> >> http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
> >>
> >> "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by
> God." -Gordon Baxter
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
I have 'em all, MIG, TIG, Oxy acet. and Arc, and if I could only have one,
hands down would be the best set of torches and regulators that I could
afford and have LOCALLY serviced. I would also buy the largest cylinders
that I could transport easily. Welding is no secret . . . just practice,
and the cheapest place to practice is the local High School night class.
You get a feel for your basic aptitude for welding, and you can burn lots of
rod for $30! (our local semester fees.) Just don't expect your instructor
to be comfortable discussing airplane welding.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin Southwick <ksouth(at)urjet.net> |
My uncle, now building a Wittman Tailwind, performed sledge hammar stress
tests of TIG and gas welded 4130 joints. Results: the TIG welds broke along
the edges of the weld joints suggesting the metal didn't get hot enough to
fully join. Gas welded joints held much better.
He was going to TIG weld before this...
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Swanson
Date: Sunday, April 04, 1999 10:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Welders?
>Bill- I am not an expert by any means, but I would suggest going with the
>oxy-acetylene torch for aircraft welding. You will be welding small parts,
>and the torch is easier to use on these pieces. Pre-heating with the gas
>torch is automatic, and you will not get localized hardening. You can
braze
>and silver solder with the torch.
>
>The EAA book titled "Aircraft Welding" only discusses gas welding, not arc
>welding. It is a very good book.
>
>Another book, "Welder's Handbook" by Richard Finch is also very good. He
>says that gas welding is more suitable for 4130 steel, and that arc welding
>4130 is more prone to cracking after it cools because of 4130's
"graininess".
>
>Just my opinion.
>
>Al Swanson
>
>
>>Hi Folks;
>>
>>I am getting closer to the production stage, one item I
>>still do not have in my shop is a welder. I am thinking of
>>going with a wire feeder. More for power requirements than
>>anything else. I understand these units can run on 110v/ 20
>>amp. and are somewhat compact. It sounds like some of you
>>have welders and use them a bit. I am sure this is
>>something I will use from now on, that is why I am thinking
>>of buying a good one. Does anybody have a recommendation or
>>warning about anything on the market? I figure if I get the
>>big ticket items bought first, the boss will not notice to
>>"total cost" of production.
>>thanks
>>Bill
>>
>>
>>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David B. Schober" <dbs(at)fscvax.wvnet.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing gear |
In Pete Bowers "Guide to Homebuilts", he has a diagram that says the contact
point of the tire in level attitude should be not greater than a 20 degree angle
and not less than a 12 degree angle forward of the C of G. Keep in mind you need
to determine the verticle CG as well as the longitudinal CG.
John McNarry wrote:
> Graham and group,
> Since there are so many variuos versions of the basic design. Would some
> of you more experienced builders provide the gear position in relation to
> the Cof G.? With or with out brakes.
> I am still working on my engine(s) as I want to know the final fire wall
> forward weight before I procede with the rest of the fuselage.
> Thanks,
> John Mc
--
David B.Schober, CPE
Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
Fairmont State College
National Aerospace Education Center
Rt. 3 Box 13
Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503
(304) 842-8300
________________________________________________________________________________
Martin,
=A0
I have been listening.=A0 As I have tried to inform you over private
email
twice before, your email address does not appear on the piet list
recipients.=A0 I am replying here in hopes that you will see this mes=
sage, and
provide me with a different address that you might be subscribed with=
, or
suggest that you are getting email list messages forwarded to you by
another
source.=A0 The address that I have searched for is: Martin Montague
ceo(at)bluestaraviation.com]
=A0
Repectfully,
=A0
Steve Eldredge
List manger.
-----Original Message-----
f Martin
Montague
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 2:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Video
please assist me in removing me from the recipient list as nobody is
listining to my request.=A0 thank you
=A0
=A0
Michael Cuy wrote:
>Can you send me a video?=A0 How much and where do I send the check.=
=A0 Sounds
too
>good to pass up.
>
>William Koucky
>Traverse City,=A0 MI
Bill, Guys,=A0=A0 info on the video is at this site below.....
Happy Easter !!
Mike C.
http://users.aol.com/bpabpabpa/cuyvideo.html
=A0
________________________________________________________________________________
Mike,
=A0
Good Job on the video... Thanks for the dedication too.=A0 Gosh.=A0 E=
xceedingly
cool shots from the air!=A0 I can't wait to=A0 head east this summer.=
=A0 I think
one of the things on the required equipment list is going to have to
be a
video camera!=A0 Your piet looks great.=A0 This is more informative t=
han most
information pack videos.
=A0
Nice Contribution to the Piet movement MC>
=A0
Steve E.
=A0
Steve Eldredge
Steve(at)byu.edu
IT Services
Brigham Young University
________________________________________________________________________________
I would like to formally thank the following people for the generous
contribution to the "server fund":
Ken Hannan
Doug Sheets
John Duprey
Curt Hemlepp
Larry Nelson
William Sayre
Richard Staley
Larry Neal
Lawrence Ragan
Walter Evans
A Adamson
Michael Lloyd-Hart
Michael Cuy
Warren Shoun
Thomas Gaskins
Robert Hensarling
Not to mention the countless words of advice received from this mailing
list. If I have neglected to mention someone, or mispelled a name, I am
very sorry!
I am hoping the new site will be up soon (just waiting for the domain
to become active).
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | plywood sources? |
Harbor Sales (my usual plywood source) has discontinued its line of
1/8" 5-ply 25x50 plywood, so I need to find another source. Anyone have
a source of REASONABLY PRICED aircraft plywood that has reasonable
shipping to the North East?
Richard
===
http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug Sheets <doug(at)layke.com> |
I too, bought Michaels video and it is going to be a
timesaver. I actually saw his Piet at a local fly-in last
year and my WIFE fell in love with it. She wants to design
and make period clothes to wear to fly-ins. (Is this manna
from heaven or what?) She said she'll do all the rib
stitching if I build the plane.
Anyway, had I not seen the video and listened to Michaels
tips, I would have had a lot of frustrating hours with the
metal parts. I was just at the point of making the attach
fittings and I stopped for a better understanding of Mike's
problems.
Worth the money, hands down!!! And a beautiful Piet!!
Gotta have one,
Doug
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
>
> Mike,
>
> Good Job on the video... Thanks for the dedication too. Gosh. Exceedingly
> cool shots from the air! I can't wait to head east this summer. I think
> one of the things on the required equipment list is going to have to be a
> video camera! Your piet looks great. This is more informative than most
> information pack videos.
>
> Nice Contribution to the Piet movement MC>
>
> Steve E.
Thanks Steve ! Between you, Richard, and Grant this whole thing keeps
rolling along nicely.
Yes, the video camera is fun, but unfortunately it's not mine even !! My
girlfriend has two of them
so she lets me use the larger one when not in use. I try to compensate with
nice dinners for her
and help with her house. I will be doing more with the camera strapped to the
plane, but last
Fall when those shots were taken it was cold and the battery got zapped of
power within 10 minutes.
I'll do more this Summer when the temps are nicer for the video camera.
I may refine the video to show more still shots of other Piets and how
they did things differently or
more creatively. I'm happy with the video now but want to put more builder
tips in. I'm torn between
flying and building scenes !! Thanks for your kind words- she's been a good
plane !
Mike C.
Mike,
Good Job on the video... Thanks for the
dedication too. Gosh. Exceedingly cool shots from the
air! I can't wait to head east this summer. I think one
of the things on the required equipment list is going to have to be a
video camera! Your piet looks great. This is more informative
than most information pack videos.
Nice Contribution to the Piet movement
MC
Steve E.
Thanks Steve ! Between you, Richard, and Grant this
whole thing keeps rolling along nicely.
Yes, the video camera is fun, but unfortunately it's not mine even
!! My girlfriend has two of them
so she lets me use the larger one when not in use. I try to
compensate with nice dinners for her
and help with her house. I will be doing more with the camera
strapped to the plane, but last
Fall when those shots were taken it was cold and the battery got zapped
of power within 10 minutes.
I'll do more this Summer when the temps are nicer for the video
camera.
I may refine the video to show more still
shots of other Piets and how they did things differently or
more creatively. I'm happy with the video now but want to put more
builder tips in. I'm torn between
flying and building scenes !! Thanks for your kind words-
she's been a good plane !
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
Joe C. from Zion IL wrote:
>Hello Group===
>well I chickened out, did an aileron roll and bailed out before she
>returned...God, that felt good..
>JoeC
>
Joe- Try a left-handed lomcevak after your aileron roll- the airspeed
and attitude are perfect for entry :)))
MDC
Joe C. from Zion IL wrote:
Hello Group===
well I chickened out, did an aileron
roll and bailed out before she
returned...God, that felt good..
JoeC
Joe- Try a left-handed lomcevak after your aileron roll- the
airspeed
and attitude are perfect for entry :)))
MDC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
I have to vote for gas welding as well. I'm just putting the finishing
touches on mu Christavia MK 1, a rag and tube high wing. The one pieve of
advice I will give is to try and find a Henrob torch. Anyway, it is a
great little torch that gives a hotter flame and a smoother cut than
conventional torches. People around here swear by them.. Unfortunately, I
found out about it after I had finished most of my welding and couldn't
justify buying another gun. I will buy one before my next project though.
The company is located in Farmington Hills Michigan. Thair toll free
number is 1-800 4HENROB (443-6762) and they will send an info pack if you
call. At US$369 it is a fairly rich piece of equipment.
Hope this helps,
Ken
On Sun, 4 Apr 1999, Bill Talbert wrote:
> Hi Folks;
>
> I am getting closer to the production stage, one item I
> still do not have in my shop is a welder. I am thinking of
> going with a wire feeder. More for power requirements than
> anything else. I understand these units can run on 110v/ 20
> amp. and are somewhat compact. It sounds like some of you
> have welders and use them a bit. I am sure this is
> something I will use from now on, that is why I am thinking
> of buying a good one. Does anybody have a recommendation or
> warning about anything on the market? I figure if I get the
> big ticket items bought first, the boss will not notice to
> "total cost" of production.
> thanks
> Bill
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug Sheets <doug(at)layke.com> |
I bought the Henrob at Sun-N-Fun last year for $319. I also
bought a Tig 175 from Lincoln Electric. I can tell you BOTH
require lots of practice. The guy that sells the Henrob is
an ace at welding and cutting and my results were less than
spectacular. I'm just getting the hang to aluminum welding
with the TIG, but 1/16" is the thinnest I can go at this
time.
The Henrob is a GREAT cutting tool though. Once you get the
hang of it, its is almost like a plasma cutter.
Doug
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | TIG and Aileron Gap |
All the welds in my Piet are TIG welded then normalized.
(brought to a dull cherry color with a torch in a larger area,
and allowed to air cool in still air) Didn't know this till' I had
the entire engine mount primed, painted and mounted !!!
Guess what ?? It came off, got stripped, and each joint
normalized with a torch. Good advice coming down the pipe
from you welders out there.
Earl Myer's Sky Scout incorporates an aluminum 6 foot
piano hinge on his ailerons. An excellent gap seal AND hinge
arragement. Not the cheapest stuff to buy, but you will never
have to fuss with gap seals again.
How much wood to shave off the loins to accept the hinge ?
I just mounted it flush with the aileron spars and flush with the
top of the ribs.....so having a wood trailing edge I just sanded that
down to match the rest of the wing trailing edge lines.
Mike C.
All the welds in my Piet are TIG welded then normalized.
(brought to a dull cherry color with a torch in a larger area,
and allowed to air cool in still air) Didn't know this till' I
had
the entire engine mount primed, painted and mounted !!!
Guess what ?? It came off, got stripped, and each joint
normalized with a torch. Good advice coming down the pipe
from you welders out there.
Earl Myer's Sky Scout incorporates an aluminum 6
foot
piano hinge on his ailerons. An excellent gap seal AND
hinge
arragement. Not the cheapest stuff to buy, but you will
never
have to fuss with gap seals again.
How much wood to shave off the loins to accept the hinge ?
I just mounted it flush with the aileron spars and flush with the
top of the ribs.....so having a wood trailing edge I just sanded
that
down to match the rest of the wing trailing edge lines.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
Doug;
Ref the period clothing, the Model A Ford Club of America (MAFCA) has
articles and CATALOGS of that era fashions. Advise and I will send you the
info. Most of the people dress accordingly for their "drive-outs".......
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Sheets <doug(at)layke.com>
Date: Monday, April 05, 1999 10:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Video
>I too, bought Michaels video and it is going to be a
>timesaver. I actually saw his Piet at a local fly-in last
>year and my WIFE fell in love with it. She wants to design
>and make period clothes to wear to fly-ins. (Is this manna
>from heaven or what?) She said she'll do all the rib
>stitching if I build the plane.
>Anyway, had I not seen the video and listened to Michaels
>tips, I would have had a lot of frustrating hours with the
>metal parts. I was just at the point of making the attach
>fittings and I stopped for a better understanding of Mike's
>problems.
>Worth the money, hands down!!! And a beautiful Piet!!
>Gotta have one,
>Doug
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David B. Schober" <dbs(at)fscvax.wvnet.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: plywood sources? |
Try Condon Lumber in Stormville NY.
Richard DeCosta wrote:
> Harbor Sales (my usual plywood source) has discontinued its line of
> 1/8" 5-ply 25x50 plywood, so I need to find another source. Anyone have
> a source of REASONABLY PRICED aircraft plywood that has reasonable
> shipping to the North East?
>
> Richard
>
> ===
> http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
>
> "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
>
>
--
David B.Schober, CPE
Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
Fairmont State College
National Aerospace Education Center
Rt. 3 Box 13
Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503
(304) 842-8300
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Owen Davies <owen(at)davies.mv.com> |
>I bought the Henrob at Sun-N-Fun last year for $319. I also
>bought a Tig 175 from Lincoln Electric. I can tell you BOTH
>require lots of practice. The guy that sells the Henrob is
>an ace at welding and cutting and my results were less than
>spectacular. I'm just getting the hang to aluminum welding
>with the TIG, but 1/16" is the thinnest I can go at this
>time.
>The Henrob is a GREAT cutting tool though. Once you get the
>hang of it, its is almost like a plasma cutter.
As an alternative, you might consider the Harris 15 aircraft-style
torch with the D-50-C tip tube and their 1390-series tips. It
produces a narrow, soft, hot flame that closely resembles that
of the Henrob, but with a more traditional--i.e., non-pistol grip--
torch. I've used the Henrob quite a bit--took a lot of practice
after breaking in on conventional torches. It's great, but can be
tough to get into a tight cluster, and it puts your hand too darned
close to the heat. The Harris solves both those problems.
If you do go with the Henrob, get two of the small tip, and bore
one out with a #72 drill. Turns out that one of the standard tips
is too small to weld .035-wall tubing comfortably, while the next
one up is too big. The modified tip is just right.
Unpaid plug: I bought my Harris equipment from George Biang,
at GLB Welding, in Meansville, GA, after seeing it in use at one
of the welding workshops he used to give for Alexander Sportair.
Good guy, and knows what he's doing. He also sells the Henrob
and can probably confirm that suggestion about the tip (just in
case what passes for my memory got that drill size wrong!) He
advertises in Sport Aviation and hangs around rec.aviation.homebuilt,
if you decide you want the address. Or e-mail me. It's around
here somewhere...
Usual disclaimer: Just a happy customer.
Owen Davies
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
-----Original Message-----
From: Earl Myers
Date: Monday, April 05, 1999 10:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Video
Earl, I would like to receive this info please. My private email is
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com .
Thanks!
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
>Doug;
> Ref the period clothing, the Model A Ford Club of America (MAFCA) has
>articles and CATALOGS of that era fashions. Advise and I will send you the
>info. Most of the people dress accordingly for their "drive-outs".......
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Doug Sheets <doug(at)layke.com>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Monday, April 05, 1999 10:43 AM
>Subject: Video
>
>
>>I too, bought Michaels video and it is going to be a
>>timesaver. I actually saw his Piet at a local fly-in last
>>year and my WIFE fell in love with it. She wants to design
>>and make period clothes to wear to fly-ins. (Is this manna
>>from heaven or what?) She said she'll do all the rib
>>stitching if I build the plane.
>>Anyway, had I not seen the video and listened to Michaels
>>tips, I would have had a lot of frustrating hours with the
>>metal parts. I was just at the point of making the attach
>>fittings and I stopped for a better understanding of Mike's
>>problems.
>>Worth the money, hands down!!! And a beautiful Piet!!
>>Gotta have one,
>>Doug
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
> She said she'll do all the rib stitching if I build the plane.
Doug,
Do the rib stitching together. Passing those needles back and
forth is a great social activity, you'll have quality time together and
she will have more "ownership" in your plane.
Tom
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
>Doug,
> Do the rib stitching together. Passing those needles back and
>forth is a great social activity, you'll have quality time together and
>she will have more "ownership" in your plane.
>Tom
Doug- Tom is right about this. Personally, once I figured out how
to rib stitch I really, really enjoyed it. Karen did two or three ribs and
loves to point them out at fly-in's to people !! Now I wouldn't want
to do a Beech Staggerwing where the knots are about 1" apart though !!!
Mike C.
Doug,
Do the rib stitching together.
Passing those needles back and
forth is a great social activity, you'll have quality time together
and
she will have more ownership in your plane.
Tom
Doug- Tom is right about this. Personally, once I figured
out how
to rib stitch I really, really enjoyed it. Karen did two or three
ribs and
loves to point them out at fly-in's to people !! Now I
wouldn't want
to do a Beech Staggerwing where the knots are about 1 apart though
!!!
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | arkiesacres(at)juno.com |
Well my check never made it in the mail as the IRS came first. I will
just say thanks all for helping with the web site. Someday I will be on
the internet and able to get to it also. Then I will send in a nice
donation to help keep it up.
Gordon
writes:
>I would like to formally thank the following people for the generous
>contribution to the "server fund":
>
>Ken Hannan
>Doug Sheets
>John Duprey
>Curt Hemlepp
>Larry Nelson
>William Sayre
>Richard Staley
>Larry Neal
>Lawrence Ragan
>Walter Evans
>A Adamson
>Michael Lloyd-Hart
>Michael Cuy
>Warren Shoun
>Thomas Gaskins
>Robert Hensarling
>
>Not to mention the countless words of advice received from this
>mailing
>list. If I have neglected to mention someone, or mispelled a name, I
>am
>very sorry!
>
>I am hoping the new site will be up soon (just waiting for the domain
>to become active).
>
>Thanks gang!
>Richard
>
>===
>http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
>Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
>http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
>
>"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God."
>-Gordon Baxter
>
>
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug Sheets <doug_sheets(at)hotmail.com> |
Tom:
But of course! It'll be fun and I KNOW it's a two person job.
Doug
>From: Thomas E Bowdler
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Re: Video
>Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 13:37:36 -0400
>
>> She said she'll do all the rib stitching if I build the plane.
>
>Doug,
> Do the rib stitching together. Passing those needles back and
>forth is a great social activity, you'll have quality time together and
>she will have more "ownership" in your plane.
>Tom
>
>Get completely free e-mail from Juno at
http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: TIG and Aileron Gap |
The Aileron Hinge/Gap seal drawing is on it's way to Richard for posting
on the website. I need to hear from a fella named"oilcan" at
allaire(at)raex.com wheel/spoke info......
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov>
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Monday, April 05, 1999 11:25 AM
Subject: TIG and Aileron Gap
All the welds in my Piet are TIG welded then normalized.
(brought to a dull cherry color with a torch in a larger area,
and allowed to air cool in still air) Didn't know this till' I had
the entire engine mount primed, painted and mounted !!!
Guess what ?? It came off, got stripped, and each joint
normalized with a torch. Good advice coming down the pipe
from you welders out there.
Earl Myer's Sky Scout incorporates an aluminum 6 foot
piano hinge on his ailerons. An excellent gap seal AND hinge
arragement. Not the cheapest stuff to buy, but you will never
have to fuss with gap seals again.
How much wood to shave off the loins to accept the hinge ?
I just mounted it flush with the aileron spars and flush with the
top of the ribs.....so having a wood trailing edge I just sanded
that
down to match the rest of the wing trailing edge lines.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
Well. You can't teach old dogs new tricks. Gas welding is
a stretch beyond my humble capabilities, looks like an item
to outsource. Thanks everyone for your opinions.
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Welders; one man's opinion |
Mike;
Thanks for the quick response. I was aware of the heat zone
and considering the wall thickness involved did not think it
was a issue. I also do not think there are any critical
welded pieces in the wood frame. Several are formed, the
welding tends to be on the landing gear and tail wheel as I
recall. As I recall, 4130 (Chrome Molly as we called it)
tends to work harden, I will pull out my reference books and
review. When you say "gas outfit", are you talking stick or
brazing? Sounds like brazing from the "dying skill" remark
as I agree. My understanding of of stick versus wire feed
is with stick you will have to go small diameter due to wall
thickness, as a result your stick are shorter and you have
to feed the stringer more. This causes the work surface to
have more "heat /cool" cycles. With wire you tend to have
continuous heat, the heat spreads over the area more and
less stress. Sounds like we are entering the "everyone has
a bellybutton..." (or pick your orifice) arena. I am
afraid there will be as many experts on one side versus the
other. Personally, if I see a piece is critical from a
structural point of view, I will have NDE performed on it.
I do not wish to be falling from the sky thinking "... that
was too much porosity" or " ...t I should make a second
pass"
Thanks for your comments, I realize it's my decision and I
appreciate all the information, it gives me more to digest.
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David B. Schober" <dbs(at)fscvax.wvnet.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib Stitching |
Another thought. Get as many needles as you can. Start as many ribs as
you have needles and pass them through on one side then walk around and
pass them back. Saves a lot of foot work! With 4 needles, I could do a
TriPacer wing in about 4 hours.
Michael Cuy wrote:
>
> >Doug,
> > Do the rib stitching together. Passing those needles back and
> >forth is a great social activity, you'll have quality time together
> and
> >she will have more "ownership" in your plane.
> >Tom
>
> Doug- Tom is right about this. Personally, once I figured out how
> to rib stitch I really, really enjoyed it. Karen did two or three
> ribs and
> loves to point them out at fly-in's to people !! Now I wouldn't want
>
> to do a Beech Staggerwing where the knots are about 1" apart though
> !!!
> Mike C.
--
David B.Schober, CPE
Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
Fairmont State College
National Aerospace Education Center
Rt. 3 Box 13
Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503
(304) 842-8300
Another thought. Get as many needles as you can. Start as many ribs as
you have needles and pass them through on one side then walk around and
pass them back. Saves a lot of foot work! With 4 needles, I could do a
TriPacer wing in about 4 hours.
Michael Cuy wrote:
>Doug,
> Do the rib stitching together.
Passing those needles back and
>forth is a great social activity, you'll have quality time together
and
>she will have more "ownership" in your plane.
>Tom
Doug- Tom is right about this. Personally, once I figured
out how
to rib stitch I really, really enjoyed it. Karen did two or
three ribs and
loves to point them out at fly-in's to people !!
Now I wouldn't want
to do a Beech Staggerwing where the knots are about 1" apart though
!!!
Mike C.
--
David B.Schober, CPE
Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
Fairmont State College
National Aerospace Education Center
Rt. 3 Box 13
Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503
(304) 842-8300
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David B. Schober" <dbs(at)fscvax.wvnet.edu> |
Bill,
Don't give up till you try it. Gas welding on aircraft parts can be
mastered by most anyone with a few hours practice. The easiest way is to
follow the suggestion of going to the local High School VoTech program
at night. A few hours and dollars spent will give you an idea of how you
will do and eliminate the need to buy any equipment until you master the
skills. Good Luck.
Bill Talbert wrote:
> Well. You can't teach old dogs new tricks. Gas welding is
> a stretch beyond my humble capabilities, looks like an item
> to outsource. Thanks everyone for your opinions.
>
> Bill
--
David B.Schober, CPE
Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
Fairmont State College
National Aerospace Education Center
Rt. 3 Box 13
Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503
(304) 842-8300
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| From: | fishin <fishin(at)wwa.com> |
| Subject: | Re: plywood sources? |
you might want to consider "hoop pine" plywood,,an import from ausie land...stronger
and cheaper than mahogany...always advertized in the EAA mags..I think mine came
out
of Texas..
JoeC
Richard DeCosta wrote:
> Harbor Sales (my usual plywood source) has discontinued its line of
> 1/8" 5-ply 25x50 plywood, so I need to find another source. Anyone have
> a source of REASONABLY PRICED aircraft plywood that has reasonable
> shipping to the North East?
>
> Richard
>
> ===
> http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
>
> "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
>
>
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| From: | fishin <fishin(at)wwa.com> |
thought about it,,,could'nt spell it,,,gave it up..
JoeC
Michael Cuy wrote:
> Joe C. from Zion IL wrote:
> >Hello Group===
> >well I chickened out, did an aileron roll and bailed out before she
> >returned...God, that felt good..
> >JoeC
> >
>
> Joe- Try a left-handed lomcevak after your aileron roll- the airspeed
> and attitude are perfect for entry :)))
>
> MDC
thought about it,,,could'nt spell it,,,gave it up..
JoeC
Michael Cuy wrote:
Joe C. from Zion IL wrote:
>Hello Group===
>well I chickened out, did an aileron roll
and bailed out before she
>returned...God, that felt good..
>JoeC
>
Joe- Try a left-handed lomcevak after your aileron roll- the airspeed
and attitude are perfect for entry :)))
MDC
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| From: | Kevin McDonald <kevin.mcdonald(at)dev.tivoli.com> |
Kevin Southwick wrote:
>
> My uncle, now building a Wittman Tailwind, performed sledge hammar
> stress
> tests of TIG and gas welded 4130 joints. Results: the TIG welds broke
> along
> the edges of the weld joints suggesting the metal didn't get hot
> enough to
> fully join. Gas welded joints held much better.
>
> He was going to TIG weld before this...
Depends on the welder. A friend of mine owns a Machine shop and knows
how to TIG weld while properly heating and cooling the entire area of
the weld. He has had the best success on problematic motor mounts and
other high stress areas. I wouldn't rule out TIG welding but I think
it perhaps requires a bit more knowledge than gas welding.
Just a thought,
Ktm
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| From: | fishin <fishin(at)wwa.com> |
Bill before you count yourself out,,,get the EAA video on gas
welding,,it simpifies the intire process...this "old dog", a shade
passed 60 had never gas welded before and was making reasonable welds 30
minutes after watching the video...the more you practice,,the better
they get and 4130 is a pleasure to weld.
JoeC
Bill Talbert wrote:
> Well. You can't teach old dogs new tricks. Gas welding is
> a stretch beyond my humble capabilities, looks like an item
> to outsource. Thanks everyone for your opinions.
>
> Bill
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| Subject: | Seat and Shoulder Belts |
Hi Group!
Can some of you give advice on your seat and shoulder belt
installation? I lowered the rear seat bottom about one inch and my
shoulders are still four inches above the turtle deck when seated on a
cushion.
I understand a shoulder belt should have a slope of less than 15
degrees to avoid vertical compression injuries to the spine in a crash.
What advice do you all have for the front and rear cockpits?
Thanks,
Tom
__________
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| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
| Subject: | Re: Help, need info |
There used to be a internet page... got it bookmarked but when I checked it
about 4 months ago, the page was gone... Maybe the server was down, I
deleted it (not more interest for me) maybe a search will find it, if still
there.
Saludos
Gary Gower
>To all:
>
>Can any of you provide information about the article or articles in Sport
>Aviation that appeared, I believe, in the 70's, about the PSRU designed by
>Bud Rinker, using the gear reduction box from a Type 2 (bus) Volkswagon
>transaxle. The system is commonly referred to as a Rinker redrive or Rinker
>PSRU, and can be used to reduce prop speed on the Corvair engine. Vertical
>Systems, the outfit that markets the plans set for it, seems to have dropped
>off of the face of the earth. I've contacted the EAA library, but they were
>unable to give me any solid leads. I'm certain that either Bud Rinker had
>an article published or that someone else did, about his system. However,
>EAA is unable to do a search that far back by author name, and none of the
>titles they cited mentioned the Rinker PSRU (not directly in the title. I'm
>certain the information is there, but I can't seem to locate it. Help!
>
>Mark Boynton
>Gilbert, AZ
>
>
>_______________________________________________________
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug <ve6zh(at)oanet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Help, need info |
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Help, need info
> Date: Monday, April 05, 1999 6:14 PM
>
MARCH 1970 SPORT AVIATION--------
Doug
> >
> >Can any of you provide information about the article or articles in
Sport
> >Aviation that appeared, I believe, in the 70's, about the PSRU designed
by
> >Bud Rinker, using the gear reduction box from a Type 2 (bus) Volkswagon
> >transaxle. The system is commonly referred to as a Rinker redrive or
Rinker
> >PSRU, and can be used to reduce prop speed on the Corvair engine.
Vertical
> >Systems, the outfit that markets the plans set for it, seems to have
dropped
> >off of the face of the earth. I've contacted the EAA library, but they
were
> >unable to give me any solid leads. I'm certain that either Bud Rinker
had
> >an article published or that someone else did, about his system.
However,
> >EAA is unable to do a search that far back by author name, and none of
the
> >titles they cited mentioned the Rinker PSRU (not directly in the title.
I'm
> >certain the information is there, but I can't seem to locate it. Help!
> >
> >Mark Boynton
> >Gilbert, AZ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________________
> >
> >
>
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| From: | JKend81933(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Welders; one man's opinion |
Well, just one more man's opinion on gas welding vs. stick welding. I
personally would prefer to use gas. If a guy were to use a stick welder (or
wire feed welder), I would think you would want to use a torch afterward to
heat up the surrounding area anyway so as to stress relieve the weld and the
adjacent metal. As long as you are going to heat the area up with the torch
why not just gas weld it in the first place? Call me a traditionalist, but I
firmly believe there's a reason why gas welding has been the standard for
aircraft work for a gazillion years. (I have friends who consider me an old
fogey and just love their new wire feed welders, but their haunches aren't
hanging on the results like mine).
Jim K
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| From: | Martin Montague <ceo(at)bluestaraviation.com> |
| Subject: | delete me at this time |
please delete me from the discussion group it is clogging my email
terribly.
third request
thanks
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| From: | Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)startribune.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat and Shoulder Belts |
Turtle deck on mine was raised to shoulder height.
1/8 " cable will be anchored at rear of fuselage and
routed above helmut box. I have not yet engineered
the attachment at the rear of the fuselage.
Front seat straps will be anchored to cabane struts.
Greg Cardinal
>>> Thomas E Bowdler 04/05 6:18 PM >>>
Hi Group!
Can some of you give advice on your seat and shoulder belt
installation? I lowered the rear seat bottom about one inch and my
shoulders are still four inches above the turtle deck when seated on
a
cushion.
I understand a shoulder belt should have a slope of less than
15
degrees to avoid vertical compression injuries to the spine in a
crash.
What advice do you all have for the front and rear cockpits?
Thanks,
Tom
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| From: | "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC" |
Hi Tom,
The covers were put on last night just before our meeting. It was a little
too cool for the dope however. I put some heat on in the hanger but may not
have been enough. Then when I finished I had to put it outside in the cold.
The right side went on okay, but the left side had a little interference
with the rib underneath. It just would not seat square on the fabric. I left
it as it was and covered it with fabric and dope. I hope it holds okay.
I would recommend the flange to be another 1/4 of an inch, so it can have a
little more surface area for better adhesion. I would also make the curved
opening a little higher (about another 1/4 to 3/8 of an inch), this will
allow you to better cover the hole toward the closed end and still clear the
wire at the opening.
Two snags to go. Thanks again for the covers.
Regards,
Domenic
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| From: | Les Lampman <lblampman(at)bigfoot.com> |
| Subject: | To Steve & All - re: email addresses |
Hi Steve,
I've noticed that in trying to reply directly to a sender of a post on the
List that both the 'reply to' and 'reply to all' always pick up the List
address whereas the 'reply to' should only go to the original sender. Not
only that but I have found no other way to ascertain the sender's email
address. This makes it difficult to reply to a sender's email without
cluttering up the List.
If I am doing something wrong on my end please let me know what the problem
is. I'm posting this to the List in hopes that others are either having or
not having the same problem and I can find a solution.
Respectfully,
Les Lampman [lblampman(at)bigfoot.com]
Oak Harbor, Whidbey Island, Washington
U.S.A.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Les Lampman <lblampman(at)bigfoot.com> |
| Subject: | Attention: MARTIN MONTAGUE !!!! |
Martin,
Please send an email DIRECTLY to steve(at)byu.edu so that he will have a proper
email address to reply to. You are apparently NOT getting his emails. He
is trying to remove you from the list.
Les
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mboynton(at)excite.com |
| Subject: | Re: Help, need info |
Doug,
Thanks for the help.
Mark
>
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: Re: Help, need info
> > Date: Monday, April 05, 1999 6:14 PM
> >
>
> MARCH 1970 SPORT AVIATION--------
> Doug
>
>
>
>
>
> > >
> > >Can any of you provide information about the article or articles in
> Sport
> > >Aviation that appeared, I believe, in the 70's, about the PSRU
designed
> by
> > >Bud Rinker, using the gear reduction box from a Type 2 (bus)
Volkswagon
> > >transaxle. The system is commonly referred to as a Rinker redrive or
> Rinker
> > >PSRU, and can be used to reduce prop speed on the Corvair engine.
> Vertical
> > >Systems, the outfit that markets the plans set for it, seems to have
> dropped
> > >off of the face of the earth. I've contacted the EAA library, but
they
> were
> > >unable to give me any solid leads. I'm certain that either Bud Rinker
> had
> > >an article published or that someone else did, about his system.
> However,
> > >EAA is unable to do a search that far back by author name, and none of
> the
> > >titles they cited mentioned the Rinker PSRU (not directly in the title.
> I'm
> > >certain the information is there, but I can't seem to locate it.
Help!
> > >
> > >Mark Boynton
> > >Gilbert, AZ
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________________
> > >
> > >
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mboynton(at)excite.com |
| Subject: | Re: Help, need info |
Hi Gary,
Yep, it still is gone. However, I did finally make contact with the guy who
had the site and got the information I need. Thanks.
Mark
> There used to be a internet page... got it bookmarked but when I checked
it
> about 4 months ago, the page was gone... Maybe the server was down, I
> deleted it (not more interest for me) maybe a search will find it, if
still
> there.
>
> Saludos
>
> Gary Gower
>
> >To all:
> >
> >Can any of you provide information about the article or articles in
Sport
> >Aviation that appeared, I believe, in the 70's, about the PSRU designed
by
> >Bud Rinker, using the gear reduction box from a Type 2 (bus) Volkswagon
> >transaxle. The system is commonly referred to as a Rinker redrive or
Rinker
> >PSRU, and can be used to reduce prop speed on the Corvair engine.
Vertical
> >Systems, the outfit that markets the plans set for it, seems to have
dropped
> >off of the face of the earth. I've contacted the EAA library, but they
were
> >unable to give me any solid leads. I'm certain that either Bud Rinker
had
> >an article published or that someone else did, about his system.
However,
> >EAA is unable to do a search that far back by author name, and none of
the
> >titles they cited mentioned the Rinker PSRU (not directly in the title.
I'm
> >certain the information is there, but I can't seem to locate it. Help!
> >
> >Mark Boynton
> >Gilbert, AZ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________________
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | RE: To Steve & All - re: email addresses |
Les,
I am not sure if this is a client issue or a general list issue. I have my
server configured to reply to list, but I do allow subscribers to see
posters addresses. I am runing outlook 98 and mine behaves the same way as
you describe. If I open the message individually instead of just using
preview mode I can see the address of the user, and can cut an past the
addr. to reply. I am also working on the Digest mode, some people would
like that feature.
Steve E.
PS. Thanks for the "attention" message to Martin. Still no word from
him...
SE
-----Original Message-----
Lampman
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 7:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: To Steve & All - re: email addresses
Hi Steve,
I've noticed that in trying to reply directly to a sender of a post on the
List that both the 'reply to' and 'reply to all' always pick up the List
address whereas the 'reply to' should only go to the original sender. Not
only that but I have found no other way to ascertain the sender's email
address. This makes it difficult to reply to a sender's email without
cluttering up the List.
If I am doing something wrong on my end please let me know what the problem
is. I'm posting this to the List in hopes that others are either having or
not having the same problem and I can find a solution.
Respectfully,
Les Lampman [lblampman(at)bigfoot.com]
Oak Harbor, Whidbey Island, Washington
U.S.A.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Seat and Shoulder Belts |
Here is a couple of shots of how I attached my shoulder harness. I have a
standard height deck. Scroll down a bit when you get there.
http://steve.byu.edu/piet.htm
Steve E.
-----Original Message-----
Greg Cardinal
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 8:00 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat and Shoulder Belts
Turtle deck on mine was raised to shoulder height.
1/8 " cable will be anchored at rear of fuselage and
routed above helmut box. I have not yet engineered
the attachment at the rear of the fuselage.
Front seat straps will be anchored to cabane struts.
Greg Cardinal
>>> Thomas E Bowdler 04/05 6:18 PM >>>
Hi Group!
Can some of you give advice on your seat and shoulder belt
installation? I lowered the rear seat bottom about one inch and my
shoulders are still four inches above the turtle deck when seated on
a
cushion.
I understand a shoulder belt should have a slope of less than
15
degrees to avoid vertical compression injuries to the spine in a
crash.
What advice do you all have for the front and rear cockpits?
Thanks,
Tom
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| From: | Michael Hinchman <mikehi(at)molalla.net> |
| Subject: | To Bill Talbert: More welding comments |
Bill,
HAZ isn't an issue, according to the article and the response in Sport
Aviation. You be the judge, though. In fact, one of the well-known kit
makers wire-feed welds their fuselages with no post heat, and have had no
problems.
What I meant by "gas outfit" is an oxy-acetylene welding setup that uses
small-diameter mild steel rod as the welding rod. The words "stick
electrode" to me mean an arc-welding set (some people call them a buzz box
welder) that uses a rutile-flux coated welding rod. These rods are available
in various alloys with various types of flux coatings. I don't own an arc
welder or a wire-feed welder, but I do have oxy-acetylene equipment. I plan
to do a lot of practice welds and have experienced people evaluate them
before I do anything to 4130 tubing that will support my skinny little
posterior away from terra firma.
The wire-feed welder was (until recently) used mostly for production
welding, not home use. It uses a spool of wire that is motor-fed through the
handle that you hold, onto the work. The ones I welded with in college used
some kind of an inert gas that was also fed through the handle, but it's
been almost 30 years and I can't remember the name of the gas (Argon?) or
whether it was for welding aluminum or steel. The correct name for this
process is MIG, or Metal Inert Gas welding (at least it was called that 30
years ago). These welders have become less expensive, so more people have
them at home now.
I was fortunate to attend a college that had the motto "Learn by Doing". I
spent a lot of time in the shop welding, turning things on lathes, milling
them, bandsawing, etc., etc. It didn't make me an expert by any means, but
it did expose me to a lot of manufacturing processes. I also later spent
some years working in the machine-tool industry, in what amounted to a
glorified job shop that built automatic bar and chucking machines. Later I
went to a Class 8 truck manufacturer. All good, meaty experience.
You may, indeed, be making a good decision by outsourcing that part of the
work.
Regards,
Mike
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| From: | Doug <ve6zh(at)oanet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Help, need info |
Your welcome,hope you can find a back issue.
Doug
> From: mboynton(at)excite.com
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Help, need info
> Date: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 9:27 AM
>
> Doug,
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Mark
>
>
> >
> > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > > Subject: Re: Help, need info
> > > Date: Monday, April 05, 1999 6:14 PM
> > >
> >
> > MARCH 1970 SPORT AVIATION--------
> > Doug
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >Can any of you provide information about the article or articles in
> > Sport
> > > >Aviation that appeared, I believe, in the 70's, about the PSRU
> designed
> > by
> > > >Bud Rinker, using the gear reduction box from a Type 2 (bus)
> Volkswagon
> > > >transaxle. The system is commonly referred to as a Rinker redrive
or
> > Rinker
> > > >PSRU, and can be used to reduce prop speed on the Corvair engine.
> > Vertical
> > > >Systems, the outfit that markets the plans set for it, seems to have
> > dropped
> > > >off of the face of the earth. I've contacted the EAA library, but
> they
> > were
> > > >unable to give me any solid leads. I'm certain that either Bud
Rinker
> > had
> > > >an article published or that someone else did, about his system.
> > However,
> > > >EAA is unable to do a search that far back by author name, and none
of
> > the
> > > >titles they cited mentioned the Rinker PSRU (not directly in the
title.
>
> > I'm
> > > >certain the information is there, but I can't seem to locate it.
> Help!
> > > >
> > > >Mark Boynton
> > > >Gilbert, AZ
> > > >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Re: To Mike: More welding comments |
Mike;
My exposure to welding came after college, I worked in
Machine and fab shops and was involved on the technical side
not the production side. This was 20 years ago, so I am
doing this from memory so don't quote me. I wanted to
expand on a couple of things you said. On the MIG welding,
several different gases are used, depending on the type of
puddle you want. Helium, CO2, Argon, and others are all
used as cover gases. One made a "flat" puddle while one made
a "deep" puddle. A nice thing benefit of MIG (and TIG -
Tungsten Inert Gas) you don't have the slag problems
associated with stick.. Stick electrodes have different
coatings which produce different cover gases. I think the
home wire feed units do not use bottles and I assume use a
coated wire. But I am not familiar so I don't know. The
reason I asked what you meant by a "gas rig", in different
parts of the country slang terms mean different things. I
was pretty sure you meant an ox/ace. But since I was
looking to buy, I wanted to be sure. Thanks for your
input, some of the other guys think I should reconsider,
which I am.. So Who Knows. This subject did make me reach
way back in to things I hadn't dealt with in years.. (I
went on to work with the big Engineering houses and now I am
in Project Management for an oil company, I use to write
procedures, now I hardly read them)
Thanks again, I enjoyed the note.
Bill
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| From: | Ron Gipson <ronr(at)onlinemac.com> |
Brent,
I really dont have much on the G-BUCO but I thought I would just say hi
since I saw your name here.
There really has been alot of offerings on some really creative Ideas
supporting an interest in the Pietenpol. Personally, I think it is
great that someone is excited enough with the discussion group to make
their talents available to the rest of us.
I wonder if the "sour grapes group" who tend to make snide remarks
are jealous because they lack the ability to come up with anything
creative themselves or maybe they have just lost their enthusiasm and
have forgotten what it is like to be newly envolved.
We received our plans from Don Pietenpol and are setting up the shop
this next week. We have a 24 X 36 ft. shop with two 3 ft X 18 ft
benches. I am moving my table saw, band saw, planer, power miter and
drillpress and Keith is getting a new belt/disk sander for the
construction of our two Piets.
While we are cutting wood, we may cut enough pieces to build a couple
more just in case you or someone else would be interested.
Anyway, its now getting exciting. I can't waite for the sweet smell
of spruce, fresh cut and gluing up on the benches.
Let me know when you can come down and bring the family.
Really Building, finally,
Ron Gipson
----- Original Message -----
From: Brent Reed
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 11:52 PM
Subject: G-BUCO
I think G-BUCO is one of the best looking Piets I have seen. I love
the shots of it over England. I just came across a shot of it up close
at a Young Eagles event. Looks even better. You can take a peek at
http://www.pfa.org.uk/popham.htm
Does anybody know who owns it? Just where did those airborne shots
come from?
Brent Reed
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| From: | Martin Montague <ceo(at)bluestaraviation.com> |
| Subject: | this is the last legal request. |
please take me off the list. if you do not take me off of the list
litigation will ensue.
i am tired of requestion deletion from the list and you do not give a
damn. you will be sued very shortly if i do not get off of the list.
that Mr. decosta and anybody else who does not heed this last request.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William C. Beerman" <wcb(at)bbt.com> |
| Subject: | this is the last legal request. |
This guy's killin' me........
----- Begin Included Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Martin Montague <ceo(at)bluestaraviation.com> |
| Subject: | this is the last legal request. |
please take me off the list. if you do not take me off of the list
litigation will ensue.
i am tired of requestion deletion from the list and you do not give a
damn. you will be sued very shortly if i do not get off of the list.
that Mr. decosta and anybody else who does not heed this last request.
----- End Included Message -----
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| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
| Subject: | Re: TIG and Aileron Gap |
> Earl Myer's Sky Scout incorporates an aluminum 6 foot
>piano hinge on his ailerons. An excellent gap seal AND hinge
>arragement. Not the cheapest stuff to buy, but you will never
>have to fuss with gap seals again.
>
Just a comment that I remembered about piano hinges:
Last year (in the self regulating) anual inspection the local owners of the
Teman Monofly decided to change the piano hinge with the hinge side
downside, the intention was to smooth the airflow in the wing (plain
"cleaning") to see if it will improve the cruise... There was no safety
diference in putting the hinge facing down or up, the travel of the alerions
was the same...
The problem was that there was LESS alerion response of the plane! It was
nothing unsafe at all, only it tooked a little longer to response and a
little more travel (only the pilot/owner will notice the diference). We
couldnt found a "logic" response other that it needed to "disturb" the
airflow to work ok.
Hope this helps,
Saludos
Gary Gower
PS The Teman Monofly is a two seater of the 80's with a 503 Rotax and is
similar to the Quicksilver GT 500, in fact we nicknamed this one "The
Poorman 500" it cost him 6,000.oo Dls incluiding restoration.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David Swagler <dswagler(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: this is the last legal request. |
Is this guy a stitch or what? He voluntarily signs up for a maillist,
loses the unsub instructions, then gets pissy when he receives mail!!
Martin Montague wrote:
> please take me off the list. if you do not take me off of the list
> litigation will ensue.
> i am tired of requestion deletion from the list and you do not give a
> damn. you will be sued very shortly if i do not get off of the list.
> that Mr. decosta and anybody else who does not heed this last request.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David Swagler <dswagler(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: this is the last legal request. |
Yeah, like WHAT litigation?! You mean you can sue folks for adding you to
a maillist when you request it? What a crack up!!
William C. Beerman wrote:
> This guy's killin' me........
>
> ----- Begin Included Message -----
>
> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 22:58:03 -0800
> From: Martin Montague <ceo(at)bluestaraviation.com>
> Subject: this is the last legal request.
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> MIME-version: 1.0
> Comments: Originally To: "Pietenpol Discussion"
> X-Listname:
>
> please take me off the list. if you do not take me off of the list
> litigation will ensue.
> i am tired of requestion deletion from the list and you do not give a
> damn. you will be sued very shortly if i do not get off of the list.
> that Mr. decosta and anybody else who does not heed this last request.
>
> ----- End Included Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: this is the last legal request. |
Come on guys...this is probably just a poor misguided soul in need of
some counseling.
I'm sure that if each of us were to send him, oh, say 200 to 300 sets of
user instructions, requests for bio so we could really get to know him, you
know, on a more human level, and then an equal # of requests to please,
please, please continue to honor us with his presence, well, he would
certainly appreciate it and come around, don't you think?.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | arkiesacres(at)juno.com |
| Subject: | Re: this is the last legal request. |
Must not like Pietenpols.
Wish I could help the poor guy but I don't control the list.
Probably a Right Wing Conspiracy.
Gordon
writes:
>This guy's killin' me........
>
>----- Begin Included Message -----
>
>Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 22:58:03 -0800
>From: Martin Montague <ceo(at)bluestaraviation.com>
>Subject: this is the last legal request.
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>MIME-version: 1.0
>Comments: Originally To: "Pietenpol Discussion"
>X-Listname:
>
>please take me off the list. if you do not take me off of the list
>litigation will ensue.
>i am tired of requestion deletion from the list and you do not give a
>damn. you will be sued very shortly if i do not get off of the list.
>that Mr. decosta and anybody else who does not heed this last request.
>
>
>----- End Included Message -----
>
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DXLViolins(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: this is the last legal request. |
Shouldn't that read starboard wing conspiracy? :-)
never mind.... what more can you expect after a hard day's work!
Keep up the good work chaps...
Dom
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: this is the last legal request. |
Now that this has everyone's attention...
I went to his website www.bluestaraviation.com and sent an email to his
webmaster to hand deliver my note to him. Just for everyone's information
his email address that he is using to send to the list is not subscribed.
If Martin is still getting email from this list (Martin are you reading????)
he is either getting the mail forwarded to him from a current subscriber OR
he is subscribed with some other email address. If the latter is correct, I
must know the "other" address to unsubscribe him! Until he returns or
acknoledges this or any of the other of the seven emails I have sent him I
cannot help further. The only other option I have is denying non-list
members from posting to the list so his address of CEO(at)bluestaraviation.com
will be denied access to the list. For now however I do find at least some
entertainment value out of the replies. ::)
Steve (Ever so humble) E.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | RE: this is the last legal request. |
Steve E. wrote:
>I went to his website www.bluestaraviation.com and .....
Hey guys.....I went to this Martin guys web site above and GUESS
what ?? Wow, I was visitor number 47 ! Yeehaw. Just think, if another
one of us visits you might be number 48 !
Mike C.
Steve E. wrote:
I went to his website
www.bluestaraviation.com
and .....
Hey guys.....I went to this Martin guys web site above and GUESS
what ?? Wow, I was visitor number 47 ! Yeehaw. Just think, if another
one of us visits you might be number 48 !
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: this is the last legal request. |
Visitor # 54 Just
now 14:14 07apr99
--> Not much of a site. Waste of time at the moment. --
Maybe Martin needs more e-mail to understand?
David Scott
Michael Cuy wrote:
Steve E. wrote:
>I went to his website
www.bluestaraviation.com
and .....
Hey guys.....I went to this Martin guys web site above and GUESS
what ?? Wow, I was visitor number 47 !
Yeehaw. Just think, if another
one of us visits you might be number 48 !
Mike C.
--
---------1---------2---------3---------4---------5---------6---------7
/--------------------\ |~~\_____/~~\__ |
|DAVID SCOTT |______ \______====== )-+
|scott(at)haulpak.com | o' ~~\|~~~ |
\--------------------/ (O)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
| Subject: | Re: this is the last legal request. |
>Is this guy a stitch or what? He voluntarily signs up for a maillist,
>loses the unsub instructions, then gets pissy when he receives mail!!
>
>Martin Montague wrote:
>
>> please take me off the list. if you do not take me off of the list
>> litigation will ensue.
>> i am tired of requestion deletion from the list and you do not give a
>> damn. you will be sued very shortly if i do not get off of the list.
>> that Mr. decosta and anybody else who does not heed this last request.
>
I dont understand USA legal system, everybody is guilty (and can get sued)
because someone is idiot and stupid.....
Montangue: Be responsable for your own actions!!! Sue Gates for helping
invent the e-mail, there is where the money is, not from us poor e-mail
subscribers.
Saludos
Gary Gower
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
| Subject: | RE: this is the last legal request. |
Good news, I was visitor # 56 :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower
>Steve E. wrote:
>>I went to his website www.bluestaraviation.com and .....
>
>Hey guys.....I went to this Martin guys web site above and GUESS
>what ?? Wow, I was visitor number 47 ! Yeehaw. Just think, if another
>one of us visits you might be number 48 !
>Mike C.
>
>
>Steve E. wrote:
>I went to his website
>
eudora="autourl">www.bluestaraviation.com
>and .....
>
>Hey guys.....I went to this Martin guys web site above and GUESS
>what ?? Wow, I was visitor number 47 !
Yeehaw. Just think, if another
>one of us visits you might be number 48 !
>Mike C.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Poor Richard..... |
Martin Montague wronte:
>>> that Mr. decosta and anybody else who does not heed this last request.
Yikes !!! Duck, Richard !! He's takin' pot shots at anyone who even says
the word "Pietenpol" now !! Wait till he finds out you are building one !
Love and Peace,
Mike C.
Martin Montague wronte:
that Mr. decosta and anybody
else who does not heed this last request.
Yikes !!! Duck, Richard !! He's takin' pot shots
at anyone who even says
the word Pietenpol now !! Wait till he
finds out you are building one !
Love and Peace,
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
| Subject: | Re: To Steve & All - re: email addresses |
Greg Yotz wrote:
The problem is with the 'List Server'. The list server puts two pieces of
information with the message that your local email viewer uses to format the
message. The first is the 'Received From:' for the sender. The second is the
'Reply-To:' directives for the return address. Normally these are one in the
same. The problem is that this list server is substituting the piet discussion
list address for the Reply-To to anyone who posts but keeps the posters
'Received from' complete. This way you see who the post is from but when you
hit reply, it uses the second piece of info, the 'Reply-To' for the return
address, which points back to the list server.
Here is a clip out of a complete header section from this post to see what I'm
saying. I've placed *** infront of the pertinent info.
================
Received:
[128.187.22.180]) by EMAIL1.BYU.EDU (PMDF V5.2-31 #31181)
MIME-version:
MTS v1.44 (NDS)) (via Mercury MTS v1.44 (NDS)) (via Mercury
Mercury MTS v1.44 (NDS))
X-Mozilla-Status:
=================
As you can see the information is there for the return address of the postee
but it is under the recieved from: section not the reply to: section.
To fix this is simply a configuration of the list server. But is this what we
really want? I reply to more messages by far to the group than I do to the
individual. So it is really less work for me to look (or cut and paste) the
address of a postee into a new email than it is to have to do this for the
group. It's just that most email viewers default to a setting that doesn't
display them. I use Netscape 4.xx and all I have to do is goto 'View ->
Headers -> All' in the pull down menu. This way I can see where a post came
from. You can also point to the Sender name in the email viewer in netscape
and right mouse click and use 'Add to Address Book -> Sender' to add the 'true'
email address of the person who sent this message to you email address book.
Then just start a new message and use your new entry in your address book to
email this person.
I hope this was clear, but I'm sure it wasn't.
Greg Yotz
Les Lampman wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> I've noticed that in trying to reply directly to a sender of a post on the
> List that both the 'reply to' and 'reply to all' always pick up the List
> address whereas the 'reply to' should only go to the original sender. Not
> only that but I have found no other way to ascertain the sender's email
> address. This makes it difficult to reply to a sender's email without
> cluttering up the List.
>
> If I am doing something wrong on my end please let me know what the problem
> is. I'm posting this to the List in hopes that others are either having or
> not having the same problem and I can find a solution.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Les Lampman [lblampman(at)bigfoot.com]
> Oak Harbor, Whidbey Island, Washington
> U.S.A.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Wright <jgw(at)village.uunet.be> |
| Subject: | Re: this is the last legal request. |
Number 59 here....
Hey, we better watch out. He's gonna think that his site is worth visiting.
Still like the idea of generating a little extra e-mail traffic out of the
group. Can you add his name a "few" extra times to the list Steevee? Maybe
then he'll appreciate our group!
Jim Wright
jgw(at)village.uunet.be
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx>
Date: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 21:28
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: this is the last legal request.
>Good news, I was visitor # 56 :-)
>
>Saludos
>
>Gary Gower
>
>>Steve E. wrote:
>>>I went to his website www.bluestaraviation.com and .....
>>
>>Hey guys.....I went to this Martin guys web site above and GUESS
>>what ?? Wow, I was visitor number 47 ! Yeehaw. Just think, if another
>>one of us visits you might be number 48 !
>>Mike C.
>>
>>
>>
>>Steve E. wrote:
>>I went to his website
>>
>eudora="autourl">www.bluestaraviation.com
>>and .....
>>
>>Hey guys.....I went to this Martin guys web site above and GUESS
>>what ?? Wow, I was visitor number 47 !
>Yeehaw. Just think, if another
>>one of us visits you might be number 48 !
>>Mike C.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
| Subject: | Re: this is the last legal request. |
Maybe he's gotten the new dreaded 'I'm an dolt' virus I've been hearing
about. Apparently from what I saw CNN tv, this virus causes the email
user to ignore directions and makes them unable to communicate properly.
It also apparently makes them logon to www.im.a.dolt.com so that they can
sling ridiculous threats about lawsuits at other dolts who don't have a
clue.
Someone once said:
All problems start with ones self......
I would recommend checking on your own end first when there is a
problem, before pointing fingers and making threats... I've seen no one
else who has requested to be removed have a problem or make threats...
Martin Montague wrote:
> please take me off the list. if you do not take me off of the list
> litigation will ensue.
> i am tired of requestion deletion from the list and you do not give a
> damn. you will be sued very shortly if i do not get off of the list.
> that Mr. decosta and anybody else who does not heed this last request.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Sayre, William G" <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com> |
| Subject: | RE: this is the last legal request. |
Sounds true.
So many times computing problems end-up being the interface between the chair and
the keyboard!
Bill Sayre
> ----------
> From: Greg Yotz[SMTP:gyachts(at)kans.com]
> Reply To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 1:08 PM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: this is the last legal request.
>
> Maybe he's gotten the new dreaded 'I'm an dolt' virus I've been hearing
> about. Apparently from what I saw CNN tv, this virus causes the email
> user to ignore directions and makes them unable to communicate properly.
> It also apparently makes them logon to www.im.a.dolt.com so that they can
> sling ridiculous threats about lawsuits at other dolts who don't have a
> clue.
>
> Someone once said:
> All problems start with ones self......
>
> I would recommend checking on your own end first when there is a
> problem, before pointing fingers and making threats... I've seen no one
> else who has requested to be removed have a problem or make threats...
>
>
>
> Martin Montague wrote:
>
> > please take me off the list. if you do not take me off of the list
> > litigation will ensue.
> > i am tired of requestion deletion from the list and you do not give a
> > damn. you will be sued very shortly if i do not get off of the list.
> > that Mr. decosta and anybody else who does not heed this last request.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: this is the last legal request. |
So what, is the next one going to be illegal?
Just kidding.
SE
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
| Subject: | Re: this is the last legal request. |
If this is the last then when was the 'first legal' request? Or were
the other so called requests illegal???? And if they were illegal can
the group form a class action suit against Mr. Montague?
Does email files setting on a hard drive at the server constitute
evidence? I think Mr. Montague maybe in for a tuff time from some high
flying, fast lawyer from the group.(not too high or too fast, the lawyer
must be a Piet owner) Class action suits can quit often end in a
sizable settlement. Think of the server we could by Richard then!!!
Maybe each of us could buy a TIG, MIG, gas, and stick welder. And one
of those cool leather skull caps.
GY
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> So what, is the next one going to be illegal?
>
> Just kidding.
>
> SE
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <duprey(at)excite.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: this is the last legal request. |
Hey Martin: Good News!! I know how to fix your problem, Remove the loose nut
from the keyboard.
John
> Good news, I was visitor # 56 :-)
>
> Saludos
>
> Gary Gower
>
> >Steve E. wrote:
> >>I went to his website www.bluestaraviation.com and .....
> >
> >Hey guys.....I went to this Martin guys web site above and GUESS
> >what ?? Wow, I was visitor number 47 ! Yeehaw. Just think, if
another
> >one of us visits you might be number 48 !
> >Mike C.
> >
> >
> >
> >Steve E. wrote:
> >I went to his website
> >
> eudora="autourl">www.bluestaraviation.com
> >and .....
> >
> >Hey guys.....I went to this Martin guys web site above and GUESS
> >what ?? Wow, I was visitor number 47 !
> Yeehaw. Just think, if another
> >one of us visits you might be number 48 !
> >Mike C.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
"the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <duprey(at)excite.com> |
| Subject: | DeCosta Legal Defence Fund $$ |
Who can kick in a few $ to save poor Innocent, Richard from this loose
nut?(LOL). I think this guy is a few ribs short of a center section!
All in Fun
John
> Martin Montague wronte:
>
> >>> that Mr. decosta and anybody else who does not heed this last
request.
>
> Yikes !!! Duck, Richard !! He's takin' pot shots at anyone who even
says
> the word "Pietenpol" now !! Wait till he finds out you are building one
!
>
> Love and Peace,
> Mike C.
"the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Re: this is the last legal request. Oh what the Hell! |
First off, what does "i am tired of requestion deletion"
mean? sounds like Double talk to me. He not questioning
his deletion, he is requestioning it!
Second, "you do not give a damn" Personally I give a damn.
I suggest we all send hime an email, subject "Very important
message from ...Melissa"
Oh, another thing. First it was "That Woman, Ms..
Lewinsky", now it's "that Mr. decosta".
Good Night Mrs. Calabash, whereever you are.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Les Lampman <lblampman(at)bigfoot.com> |
| Subject: | RE: this is the last legal request. |
-----Original Message-----
William G
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 1:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: this is the last legal request.
Sounds true.
So many times computing problems end-up being the interface between the
chair and the keyboard!
Bill Sayre
Hey, I like that one A LOT!!!!
Thanks,
Les Lampman
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: plywood sources? |
Yes there are several one is the Harbor Sales Company
they have marine okoume,marine douglas fir, finland birtch
aircraft kahaya, marine sapelee and all widths and sizes. If you call
them they'll send you a catalog. If you wanted to save money
you could probably use 1/4" marine fir for the floor instead
of mahogany. Marine shouldn't just have the advantage
of water proof glue but also no VOIDS where joints
are butted together. Also I wouldn't be afraid to use
1/8" or 3mm okume for the sides and using finland
or baltic birtch for inside gussets. The okoume is
a little soft however the hardness can be enhanced
by coating with epoxy.
-----Original Message-----
From: David B. Schober <dbs(at)fscvax.wvnet.edu>
Date: Monday, April 05, 1999 10:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: plywood sources?
>Try Condon Lumber in Stormville NY.
>
>Richard DeCosta wrote:
>
>> Harbor Sales (my usual plywood source) has discontinued its line of
>> 1/8" 5-ply 25x50 plywood, so I need to find another source. Anyone have
>> a source of REASONABLY PRICED aircraft plywood that has reasonable
>> shipping to the North East?
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> ===
>> http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
>> Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
>> http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
>>
>> "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by
God." -Gordon Baxter
>>
>>
>
>
>--
>
**
>David B.Schober, CPE
>Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
>Fairmont State College
>National Aerospace Education Center
>Rt. 3 Box 13
>Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503
>(304) 842-8300
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: this is the last legal request. |
MARTEN.
YOU SHOULD CHANGE YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS TO
YOSIMITE SAM. I SAID THERE WAS GONNA BE A
HIGH DIVE ACT AND THERS A GONNA BE ONE.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx>
Date: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 1:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: this is the last legal request.
>>Is this guy a stitch or what? He voluntarily signs up for a maillist,
>>loses the unsub instructions, then gets pissy when he receives mail!!
>>
>>Martin Montague wrote:
>>
>>> please take me off the list. if you do not take me off of the list
>>> litigation will ensue.
>>> i am tired of requestion deletion from the list and you do not give a
>>> damn. you will be sued very shortly if i do not get off of the list.
>>> that Mr. decosta and anybody else who does not heed this last request.
>>
>
>I dont understand USA legal system, everybody is guilty (and can get sued)
>because someone is idiot and stupid.....
>
>Montangue: Be responsable for your own actions!!! Sue Gates for helping
>invent the e-mail, there is where the money is, not from us poor e-mail
>subscribers.
>
>Saludos
>
>Gary Gower
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | arkiesacres(at)juno.com |
| Subject: | Re: this is the last legal request. Oh what the Hell! |
I can tell all you people this right now.
In the future if I ever get out of the airplane mood and don't want to
discuss Piets, even though I am building a UL Piet very slowly, for sure
I am not going to ask to be removed from this list,
The Rabbit may Take A Licking And Keep On A Ticking but I am just getting
too old for all of this.
I will just pull the plug and lock the computer in the garage.
What I'm really afraid of is that if this madness continues I am going to
lahgh myself right into a Heart Attack.
I also remember when Jim Weir wanted off the list and I sent some BS post
to him and this list dumped on me for it. Now your dumping on this poor
soul who only wants to sue all of us because we won't let him get off the
list. Wow Times sure change.
:-)
Gordon
writes:
>First off, what does "i am tired of requestion deletion"
>mean? sounds like Double talk to me. He not questioning
>his deletion, he is requestioning it!
>
>Second, "you do not give a damn" Personally I give a damn.
>
>I suggest we all send hime an email, subject "Very important
>message from ...Melissa"
>
>Oh, another thing. First it was "That Woman, Ms..
>Lewinsky", now it's "that Mr. decosta".
>
>Good Night Mrs. Calabash, whereever you are.
>
>
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Rib lofting questions |
Let's take a break from bashing those that shouldn't own
a computer.
I am lofting my rib jig. I have the full size paper
template but it is off by 1/8" on the spar spacing.
I work for a copier company and have no trust of
lines on anything copied.
How do you define the angle on the front of the rib?
Is it the line between the top of the rib at 1/2" from
the le (2" from baseline) and the bottom of the rib at
1 1/2" from the le (3/8" from baseline)? That is what
the Don Pietenpol plans infer but the perpendicular from
that line through the cl of the le 1 1/2" above baseline
is less than the 1" thickness of the leading edge.
Dave
Lofting away in Retsof, NY.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Hinchman <mikehi(at)molalla.net> |
Bill,
I'd bet you could do it yourself, based on your previous experience. I'm
sure going to give it a try, with lots of practice, first. The last time I
had my hands on a welder was to build a tow bar when we moved, via Ryder
truck, to the East Coast after I finished college. I couldn't afford to rent
a towbar, but I did have access to free angle steel!
So it will take me a lot of practice, but it will be fun to get those skills
again. It's all buried back there in the memory banks somewhere.
If I had to take Calculus again, I could probably pick that up too, but
somehow, the idea doesn't sound as appealing or useful as welding.
Since the home wire-feed units don't seem to have gas bottles, I'd bet
you're right that they use a coated wire.
Anyway, thanks for the exchange and let us all know what you decide to do.
We all stand to learn something from it!
Mike
PS: I make my living as a freelance technical writer now.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: this is the last legal request. |
SIR;
...DID IT EVER OCCUR TO YOU THAT A CERTAIN "SOMEBODY" ON THIS JUST HAPPENS
TO BE AN ASSISTANT STATES ATTORNEY GENERAL AND WOULD DEFEND MESSRS ELDRIGE
AND DECOSTA AT NO CHARGE? BEHAVE!!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Montague <ceo(at)bluestaraviation.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 2:02 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: this is the last legal request.
>please take me off the list. if you do not take me off of the list
>litigation will ensue.
>i am tired of requestion deletion from the list and you do not give a
>damn. you will be sued very shortly if i do not get off of the list.
>that Mr. decosta and anybody else who does not heed this last request.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Martin Montague <ceo(at)bluestaraviation.com> |
| Subject: | Re: this is the last legal request. |
to all who want to give a shit. and to mr. david swagler specifically.
my email is very clogged. i have asked several times to get off of the
list. if you pissant asshole self really gives a shit you ;would not make
such a remark. if you really want to go to the darkest of levels you can
be the recipient of a very large influx of email that will clog your email
slot. so get off of your bullshit and get a grip. y ou are a very large
asshold. given your name i can extend that to being a white asshold but
since i am not of the prejudiced persuasion you can go fuck your self and
stick your opinions up your fucking asshold. so fuck you and the rest of
the persons who have followed your stupid childish tantrum..
fuck you
cordially pilot00
David Swagler wrote:
> Is this guy a stitch or what? He voluntarily signs up for a maillist,
> loses the unsub instructions, then gets pissy when he receives mail!!
>
> Martin Montague wrote:
>
> > please take me off the list. if you do not take me off of the list
> > litigation will ensue.
> > i am tired of requestion deletion from the list and you do not give a
> > damn. you will be sued very shortly if i do not get off of the list.
> > that Mr. decosta and anybody else who does not heed this last request.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Martin Montague <ceo(at)bluestaraviation.com> |
| Subject: | Re: this is the last legal request. |
so delete me you stupid idiots. as i have asked to be deleted.
David Swagler wrote:
> Yeah, like WHAT litigation?! You mean you can sue folks for adding you to
> a maillist when you request it? What a crack up!!
>
> William C. Beerman wrote:
>
> > This guy's killin' me........
> >
> > ----- Begin Included Message -----
> >
> > Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 22:58:03 -0800
> > From: Martin Montague <ceo(at)bluestaraviation.com>
> > Subject: this is the last legal request.
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > MIME-version: 1.0
> > Comments: Originally To: "Pietenpol Discussion"
> > X-Listname:
> >
> > please take me off the list. if you do not take me off of the list
> > litigation will ensue.
> > i am tired of requestion deletion from the list and you do not give a
> > damn. you will be sued very shortly if i do not get off of the list.
> > that Mr. decosta and anybody else who does not heed this last request.
> >
> > ----- End Included Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Martin Montague <ceo(at)bluestaraviation.com> |
| Subject: | Re: this is the last legal request. |
if you do not delete me from the group as i have requested i am not kidding i
will sue the byu.edu. you have abligation to follow up on my request. if i
get any more bullshit from the group the group will be sued. and the actual
and verified persons are able to be found during litigation. so get it
together. and if not I WILL TALK TO BYU DIRECTELY AND THEY WILL GET THE
MESSAGE.
David Swagler wrote:
> Yeah, like WHAT litigation?! You mean you can sue folks for adding you to
> a maillist when you request it? What a crack up!!
>
> William C. Beerman wrote:
>
> > This guy's killin' me........
> >
> > ----- Begin Included Message -----
> >
> > Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 22:58:03 -0800
> > From: Martin Montague <ceo(at)bluestaraviation.com>
> > Subject: this is the last legal request.
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > MIME-version: 1.0
> > Comments: Originally To: "Pietenpol Discussion"
> > X-Listname:
> >
> > please take me off the list. if you do not take me off of the list
> > litigation will ensue.
> > i am tired of requestion deletion from the list and you do not give a
> > damn. you will be sued very shortly if i do not get off of the list.
> > that Mr. decosta and anybody else who does not heed this last request.
> >
> > ----- End Included Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ron Gipson <ronr(at)onlinemac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mr. Montague Please take note. |
Dear Mr. Montague;
My name is Ron Gipson. I do not usually get involved in the silly
exchanges of insults that can be seen on so many e-mail discussion groups.
In your case I will make the exception.
Please be aware that your message to which I respond constitutes a
threat to disrupt interstate communication. You must know by now that the
fellow that created the virus has been charged with the same crime and faces
up to 40 years in prison and up to $350,000.00 fine.
Moreover, your threat indicates that this crime would be Racially
Motivated and therefore would also fall under the new Federal Hate Crime
Law, which would add additional penalties to your sentence.
I do not know where you live but for all appearences it may be that you
already reside inside a prison. If not physically, at the very least
mentally. Your choice of words, your spelling, and grammar are indicators
that your live in a prison with walls so high even a pietenpol could not fly
you out.
Mr. Montague, I do hope the things that make your life so miserable can
shortly be resolved, in the mean time, May God Bless you that you may find
happiness.
Respectfully,
Ron Gipson
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Martin Montague <ceo(at)bluestaraviation.com> |
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 1999 10:19 PM
| Subject: | Re: this is the last legal request. |
> to all who want to give a shit. and to mr. david swagler specifically.
> my email is very clogged. i have asked several times to get off of the
> list. if you pissant asshole self really gives a shit you ;would not make
> such a remark. if you really want to go to the darkest of levels you can
> be the recipient of a very large influx of email that will clog your email
> slot. so get off of your bullshit and get a grip. y ou are a very
large
> asshold. given your name i can extend that to being a white asshold but
> since i am not of the prejudiced persuasion you can go fuck your self and
> stick your opinions up your fucking asshold. so fuck you and the rest of
> the persons who have followed your stupid childish tantrum..
>
> fuck you
>
> cordially pilot00
>
>
> David Swagler wrote:
>
> > Is this guy a stitch or what? He voluntarily signs up for a maillist,
> > loses the unsub instructions, then gets pissy when he receives mail!!
> >
> > Martin Montague wrote:
> >
> > > please take me off the list. if you do not take me off of the list
> > > litigation will ensue.
> > > i am tired of requestion deletion from the list and you do not give a
> > > damn. you will be sued very shortly if i do not get off of the list.
> > > that Mr. decosta and anybody else who does not heed this last request.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | michael list <mclist(at)ptw.com> |
| Subject: | Re: this is the last legal request. |
Hmm, very eloquent speaker. Must be some side effect of this time warp
Mr. Montague is in that his e-mail is dated a month ago. Tick, tock,
the clock, the clock. Another symptom, perhaps, of our misguided
internet friend?
Believe me, we can't wait to cut our ties to this fine example of
gentlemanly behavior. As in aviation, most incidents are tied to the
nut that holds the stick.
Martin Montague wrote:
>
> to all who want to give a shit. and to mr. david swagler specifically.
> my email is very clogged. i have asked several times to get off of the
> list. if you pissant asshole self really gives a shit you ;would not make
> such a remark. if you really want to go to the darkest of levels you can
> be the recipient of a very large influx of email that will clog your email
> slot. so get off of your bullshit and get a grip. y ou are a very large
> asshold. given your name i can extend that to being a white asshold but
> since i am not of the prejudiced persuasion you can go fuck your self and
> stick your opinions up your fucking asshold. so fuck you and the rest of
> the persons who have followed your stupid childish tantrum..
>
> fuck you
>
> cordially pilot00
>
> David Swagler wrote:
>
> > Is this guy a stitch or what? He voluntarily signs up for a maillist,
> > loses the unsub instructions, then gets pissy when he receives mail!!
> >
> > Martin Montague wrote:
> >
> > > please take me off the list. if you do not take me off of the list
> > > litigation will ensue.
> > > i am tired of requestion deletion from the list and you do not give a
> > > damn. you will be sued very shortly if i do not get off of the list.
> > > that Mr. decosta and anybody else who does not heed this last request.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib lofting questions |
Good, question. I don't have the answer right off. I'll think about
it. But I would like to through something else into the 'Rib Lofting'
ring.
Has anyone ever produced a 2D CAD drawing of the rib? I was
thinking about doing just this. That way I could plot a 1:1 of the rib
anytime I needed to, or for someone else. My plotter will make a 1:1
plot within .002"+/- with this size of paper. This would sure make,
making a rib jig easier.
Greg Yotz
Dave and Connie wrote:
> Let's take a break from bashing those that shouldn't own
> a computer.
>
> I am lofting my rib jig. I have the full size paper
> template but it is off by 1/8" on the spar spacing.
> I work for a copier company and have no trust of
> lines on anything copied.
>
> How do you define the angle on the front of the rib?
> Is it the line between the top of the rib at 1/2" from
> the le (2" from baseline) and the bottom of the rib at
> 1 1/2" from the le (3/8" from baseline)? That is what
> the Don Pietenpol plans infer but the perpendicular from
> that line through the cl of the le 1 1/2" above baseline
> is less than the 1" thickness of the leading edge.
>
> Dave
> Lofting away in Retsof, NY.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | PIET LIST FAQ -PLEASE SAVE- |
Well gang Hopefully the following will solve more problems than it creates,
Best Regards,
Steve Eldredge
Welcome to the Pietenpol Discussion Mailing List
This list is for builders, pilots, owners, enthusiasts, and anyone else
interested in this 70+ year old design. Anyone is welcome to present
questions/answers to the lists, and participation is encouraged. Hopefully
this will be a forum that will encourage and promote the Pietenpol design
for another 70+ years.
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Thanks, and enjoy.
Steve Eldredge (list manager and piet pilot)
Steve(at)byu.edu
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | I think I found martin |
Well gang, I have put the lid on the list. I have denied any submission to
the list except by those who are on the list. That means that MM will not
be able to reply to the list. _I really hate foul language_ I did get one
clue however from one of his posts that leads me to believe that
PILOT00(at)earthlink.net is being forwarded to CEO(at)bluestaraviation.com I have
therefore removed the pilot00 account from the list too. If my guess is
right, Martin subscribed with pilot00, had it forwarded to bluestar, and
hasn't given it a second thought. Must have slipped his mind. A common
mistake. Anyone could have done it. Even being reminded that this might be
a cause to the grief he is suffering, he may not have thought it could be
true. So long pilot00, and ceo.
Respectfully,
Steve Eldredge
Steve(at)byu.edu
IT Services
Brigham Young University
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Testing the restrictions |
would a couple of you fine folks please reply or post so I can make sure the
member only restriction is working? If you have a problem please email
direct.
Your happy list manager,
Steve Eldredge
Steve(at)byu.edu
IT Services
Brigham Young University
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | arkiesacres(at)juno.com |
| Subject: | Re: Testing the restrictions |
Yeah, I did and it told me I was not a Member. SO I CAN'T GET THEIR.
Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dean Dayton <deandayton(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Testing the restrictions |
Glad to oblige
>From: steve(at)byu.edu
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Testing the restrictions
>Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:23:21 -0600
>
>would a couple of you fine folks please reply or post so I can make
sure the
>member only restriction is working? If you have a problem please
email
>direct.
>
>Your happy list manager,
>
>Steve Eldredge
>Steve(at)byu.edu
>IT Services
>Brigham Young University
>
Dean Dayton - deandayton(at)hotmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dick Nelsen <richard.nelsen(at)sdl.usu.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Testing the restrictions |
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> would a couple of you fine folks please reply or post so I can make
> sure the member only restriction is working? If you have a problem
> please email direct.Your happy list manager, Steve
> EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduIT ServicesBrigham Young University
Working great here in Aggie Land!!
Dick N.
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
would
a couple of you fine folks please reply or post so I can make sure the
member only restriction is working? If you have a problem please
email direct.Your
happy list manager,Steve
EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduIT
ServicesBrigham Young University
Working great here in Aggie Land!!
Dick N.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Rib lofting questions |
I made my jig by locating the spars in the correct location first. then
measuring and plotting the points on the jig and then lofting the curves.
Putting in the internal bracing was done "freehand" referencing the plans
after the outlines was done on the jig.
Steve e.
-----Original Message-----
Dave and Connie
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 9:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib lofting questions
Let's take a break from bashing those that shouldn't own
a computer.
I am lofting my rib jig. I have the full size paper
template but it is off by 1/8" on the spar spacing.
I work for a copier company and have no trust of
lines on anything copied.
How do you define the angle on the front of the rib?
Is it the line between the top of the rib at 1/2" from
the le (2" from baseline) and the bottom of the rib at
1 1/2" from the le (3/8" from baseline)? That is what
the Don Pietenpol plans infer but the perpendicular from
that line through the cl of the le 1 1/2" above baseline
is less than the 1" thickness of the leading edge.
Dave
Lofting away in Retsof, NY.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Testing the restrictions |
Testing 1,2,3.... This is only a test.... If this was a real
message to this group I would be talking about wood, welding, rib jigs,
making funny airplane noises while setting in things that look like
wooden crates, etc.
Greg Yotz
P.S. I'm going to also send an email from another address that doesn't
have access and see what happens.
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> would a couple of you fine folks please reply or post so I can make
> sure the member only restriction is working? If you have a problem
> please email direct.Your happy list manager, Steve
> EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduIT ServicesBrigham Young University
Testing 1,2,3.... This is only a test....
If this was a real message to this group I would be talking about wood,
welding, rib jigs, making funny airplane noises while setting in things
that look like wooden crates, etc.
Greg Yotz
P.S. I'm going to also send an email from another address that doesn't
have access and see what happens.
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
would
a couple of you fine folks please reply or post so I can make sure the
member only restriction is working? If you have a problem please
email direct.Your
happy list manager,Steve
EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduIT
ServicesBrigham Young University
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Testing the restrictions |
STEVE;
I GOT IMMEDIATE RETURN MAIL WHEN I SENT MY MESSAGE TO THE GROUP REF
"....A JOB WELL DONE".......I THEN FORWARDED IT TO YOU DIRECTLY....MAYBE
THAT IS WHAT PROMPTED THIS, NO?
EARL
-----Original Message-----
From: steve(at)byu.edu
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 12:21 PM
Subject: Testing the restrictions
would a couple of you fine folks please reply or post so I can make
sure the member only restriction is working? If you have a problem
please email direct.
Your happy list manager,
Steve Eldredge
Steve(at)byu.edu
IT Services
Brigham Young University
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Fw: Delivery failure notification |
-----Original Message-----
From: Earl Myers
Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 11:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Delivery failure notification
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mail Delivery System
>To: allaire(at)raex.com
>Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 11:32 AM
>Subject: Delivery failure notification
>
>
>>With reference to your message with the subject:
>> "Re: I think I found martin"
>>
>>One or more addresses in your message have failed with the following
>>responses from the mail transport system:
>>
>>
>> List is restricted and you are not a member.
>>
>>Should you need assistance, please mail postmaster(at)adena.byu.edu.
>>
>>-------------------- Returned message follows ---------------------
>>
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>Thu,
>>Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 11:39:36 -0400
>>From: Earl Myers
>>Subject: Re: I think I found martin
>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
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>>MIME-version: 1.0
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>>
>>THANK YOU SIR, A DETECTIVE JOB WELL DONE!
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: steve(at)byu.edu
>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 11:09 AM
>>Subject: I think I found martin
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Well gang, I have put the lid on the list. I have denied any submission
>>to
>>>the list except by those who are on the list. That means that MM will
not
>>>be able to reply to the list. _I really hate foul language_ I did get
>one
>>>clue however from one of his posts that leads me to believe that
>>>PILOT00(at)earthlink.net is being forwarded to CEO(at)bluestaraviation.com I
>>have
>>>therefore removed the pilot00 account from the list too. If my guess is
>>>right, Martin subscribed with pilot00, had it forwarded to bluestar, and
>>>hasn't given it a second thought. Must have slipped his mind. A common
>>>mistake. Anyone could have done it. Even being reminded that this might
>be
>>>a cause to the grief he is suffering, he may not have thought it could be
>>>true. So long pilot00, and ceo.
>>>
>>>Respectfully,
>>>
>>>Steve Eldredge
>>>Steve(at)byu.edu
>>>IT Services
>>>Brigham Young University
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | wd6auy(at)mail.ez2.net |
Steve - CONGRATULATIONS!! I found another address also:
"pilot00(at)delphi.com" -- 73's, Dick.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC" |
Steve,
Replied to your announcement of the fix, but message did not repeat. this
is second attempt.
Domenic
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Testing the restrictions |
Greetings,
Hope I'm still in. I enjoy all communication except the episode with MM.
Arden Adamson
-----Original Message-----
arkiesacres(at)juno.com
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 11:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Testing the restrictions
Yeah, I did and it told me I was not a Member. SO I CAN'T GET THEIR.
Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David B. Schober" <dbs(at)fscvax.wvnet.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib lofting questions |
I tried to put the rib plan form into my cad program. The problem I ran
into was that the drawing (on wing plan sheet) doesn't have enough data
points to do the leading edge properly. It's been a while since I tried it
but I seem to recall that as the problem. I've done it with other airfoils
with no problem. Most NACA airfoils give coordinates as a percentage of
chord and they work well. If I get a chance, I'll try the Piet airfoil
again and see what I come up with.
Greg Yotz wrote:
> Good, question. I don't have the answer right off. I'll think about
> it. But I would like to through something else into the 'Rib Lofting'
> ring.
> Has anyone ever produced a 2D CAD drawing of the rib? I was
> thinking about doing just this. That way I could plot a 1:1 of the rib
> anytime I needed to, or for someone else. My plotter will make a 1:1
> plot within .002"+/- with this size of paper. This would sure make,
> making a rib jig easier.
>
> Greg Yotz
>
> Dave and Connie wrote:
>
> > Let's take a break from bashing those that shouldn't own
> > a computer.
> >
> > I am lofting my rib jig. I have the full size paper
> > template but it is off by 1/8" on the spar spacing.
> > I work for a copier company and have no trust of
> > lines on anything copied.
> >
> > How do you define the angle on the front of the rib?
> > Is it the line between the top of the rib at 1/2" from
> > the le (2" from baseline) and the bottom of the rib at
> > 1 1/2" from the le (3/8" from baseline)? That is what
> > the Don Pietenpol plans infer but the perpendicular from
> > that line through the cl of the le 1 1/2" above baseline
> > is less than the 1" thickness of the leading edge.
> >
> > Dave
> > Lofting away in Retsof, NY.
--
David B.Schober, CPE
Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
Fairmont State College
National Aerospace Education Center
Rt. 3 Box 13
Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503
(304) 842-8300
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | The Latest - The End |
Hi again. Well looks like I guess right I did find Martin, and Martin found
me. He called and we talked. Things are cool and he is off the list. No
FBI. A bit of advise... Please keep track of the email you use to
subscribe to the list.
Glad thats over,
Steve Eldredge
Steve(at)byu.edu
IT Services
Brigham Young University
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David Swagler <dswagler(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Testing the restrictions |
test, 1,2,3
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> would a couple of you fine folks please reply or post so I can make
> sure the member only restriction is working? If you have a problem
> please email direct.Your happy list manager, Steve
> EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduIT ServicesBrigham Young University
test, 1,2,3
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
would
a couple of you fine folks please reply or post so I can make sure the
member only restriction is working? If you have a problem please
email direct.Your
happy list manager,Steve
EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduIT
ServicesBrigham Young University
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Thanks, was: Testing the restrictions |
Thanks for those who have tested for me. I have removed the restrictions.
Back to regularly unscheduled programing.
Steve e.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DonanClara(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Testing the restrictions |
I am now happy I resisted the urge to respond in a manner that my Gemini
'other half' was begging me to. I truly hope MM is not now or ever will
build a Piet. We have a great fraternity. Hopefully,now that you have
'adjusted' the list we can return to the REAL purpose of the discussion group
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | fishin <fishin(at)wwa.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The Latest - The End |
kudos to you steve for maintaining your dignity and high morals...I'm
sure I speak for many when I say I don't appreciate seeing any messages
that I would be ashamed for my wife or son to see.
Piets Forever
JoeC
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> Hi again. Well looks like I guess right I did find Martin, and
> Martin found me. He called and we talked. Things are cool and he is
> off the list. No FBI. A bit of advise... Please keep track of the
> email you use to subscribe to the list.Glad thats over, Steve
> EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduIT ServicesBrigham Young University
kudos to you steve for maintaining your dignity and high morals...I'm sure
I speak for many when I say I don't appreciate seeing any messages that
I would be ashamed for my wife or son to see.
Piets Forever
JoeC
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
Hi
again. Well looks like I guess right I did find Martin, and Martin
found me. He called and we talked. Things are cool and he is
off the list. No FBI. A bit of advise... Please keep
track of the email you use to subscribe to the list.Glad
thats over,Steve
EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduIT
ServicesBrigham Young University
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
| Subject: | Re: The Latest - The End |
Poor Mr Martin "Bill Gates Fortune Dreamer" Montagne:
He thought he will be VERY rich sueing all the list members of all the
mailing lists in this little world.
Steve stoped a virus that afected the interface betwen the seat and the
keyborad in all the computers in the 3rd Rock from the Sun!
The more dangerous "virus" since pinball :-)
Congratulations Mr. Steve "Piet McAfee" Eldredge :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower
>Hi again. Well looks like I guess right I did find Martin, and Martin found
>me. He called and we talked. Things are cool and he is off the list. No
>FBI. A bit of advise... Please keep track of the email you use to
>subscribe to the list.
>
>Glad thats over,
>
>Steve Eldredge
>Steve(at)byu.edu
>IT Services
>Brigham Young University
>
>
>Hi
>again. Well looks like I guess right I did find Martin, and Martin found
>me. He called and we talked. Things are cool and he is off the
>list. No FBI. A bit of advise... Please keep track of the
>email you use to subscribe to the list.
>
>size=2>
>Glad
>thats over,
>
>Steve Eldredge
>
>IT Services
>Brigham Young
>University
>
>
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| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
| Subject: | Re: Testing the restrictions |
>I am now happy I resisted the urge to respond in a manner that my Gemini
>'other half' was begging me to. I truly hope MM is not now or ever will
>build a Piet. We have a great fraternity. Hopefully,now that you have
>'adjusted' the list we can return to the REAL purpose of the discussion group
>
>
Thanks for "Trikes for Ever" :-)
Saludos
Gary(Learning MM "English Grammar") Gower
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Did I pass?
Bruce
"BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC" wrote:
>
> Steve,
> Replied to your announcement of the fix, but message did not repeat. this
> is second attempt.
> Domenic
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| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
| Subject: | Re: Testing the restrictions |
Thank you Don for saying it well! I was getting discouraged with all of the
guff. Although I hope people like MM will someday discover the joy of
co-operating and being polite with in a fraternity of people with like
interests.
I am still hoping to find a way to make it to Brodhead. It would be nice to
be able to put some faces to the group. I have just purchased a length of
1.5" .120 wall 4130 at a very reasonable price. It has made up my mind, it
is the Jenny style gear for me!
Do any of you have some good advice about leaf spring tail gear as compared
to the A frame coil spring type?
John Mc
-----Original Message-----
From: DonanClara(at)aol.com <DonanClara(at)aol.com>
Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 3:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Testing the restrictions
>Steve
>
>I am now happy I resisted the urge to respond in a manner that my Gemini
>'other half' was begging me to. I truly hope MM is not now or ever will
>build a Piet. We have a great fraternity. Hopefully,now that you have
>'adjusted' the list we can return to the REAL purpose of the discussion
group
>and to the commaraderie. Don Hicks
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
Hi List. If you click on this site,
http://users.aol.com/bpanews/www.html
there is a Piet in the upper photo on the left-hand side, that is Army Air
Corps blue and yellow. Does anyone know of other photos of this Piet?
Also, does anyone on the list happen to know the approximate year this color
scheme started being used by the AAC? I'm thinking it was in the 30's
sometime, but thought maybe someone may know more about this. I'm
considering painting my GN-1 to this scheme, since it'll be hangered in the
old military hanger at Garner Field, here in Uvalde. There's a PT 17 there
also, with the same color scheme.
Looks like the list is back to normal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | michael list <mclist(at)ptw.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Testing the restrictions |
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
>
> would a couple of you fine folks please reply or post so I can make
> sure the member only restriction is working? If you have a problem
> please email direct.
>
> Your happy list manager,
>
> Steve Eldredge
> Steve(at)byu.edu
> IT Services
> Brigham Young University
>
Testing and enjoying the silence
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| Subject: | www.AirCamper.org |
It's here! Many, many thanks to all who have helped to make this
happen. If I missed anyone on the site, please remind me so I can give
credit where credit is due.
http://www.AirCamper.org
Enjoy all!
Richard
===
http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: www.AirCamper.org |
Richard: Glad to have your page back! Looks great!!!
John Duprey
Richard DeCosta wrote:
>
> It's here! Many, many thanks to all who have helped to make this
> happen. If I missed anyone on the site, please remind me so I can give
> credit where credit is due.
>
> http://www.AirCamper.org
>
> Enjoy all!
> Richard
> ===
> http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
>
> "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
>
>
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| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | More lofting questions |
I got the le problem figured out... Use the front most
points specified on the offsets and draw a line between
them. That defines the le slant. I arrived at that by
measuring the le stock and the distance between the pins
that I used to mark the points. Both were 2".
Next questions. My kit has 3/4" spars. Looking at the
3 piece wing plan this looks ok. I am planning on
keeping the spacing between the spars at 27 3/4" as
specified on all of the drawings. This is the spacing
used for 1" spars. By keeping the spacing at 27 3/4 that
means that the other edges of the spars move in by 1/4"
each. I need to verify that the 3/4" spars are not built
up to 1" at the rib stations. It doesn't look that way
but I want to make sure.
Are the 3/4" spars left at 3/4" and not built up at the
rib stations or routed between them?
Is it correct to keep the spar spacing at 27 3/4" and
let the slack come from the outboard sides? It looks
like this would have the minimum impact on things like
strut spacing.
Dave
First capstrip gets bent on the jig tonight...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net> |
Hi Robert!
I knew all my Flying Aces scale info would work to build a better Piet! ;-)
The blue/yellow colors were in effect by 1934-35 -- before that they were
O.D./ yellow. The yellow wings & tail came about 'cause the all O.D.
planes were too hard to see in peace time.
Mike Conkling
Pretty Prairie, KS
> From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: paint color
> Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 6:25 PM
>
> Hi List. If you click on this site,
> http://users.aol.com/bpanews/www.html
> there is a Piet in the upper photo on the left-hand side, that is Army
Air
> Corps blue and yellow. Does anyone know of other photos of this Piet?
> Also, does anyone on the list happen to know the approximate year this
color
> scheme started being used by the AAC? I'm thinking it was in the 30's
> sometime, but thought maybe someone may know more about this. I'm
> considering painting my GN-1 to this scheme, since it'll be hangered in
the
> old military hanger at Garner Field, here in Uvalde. There's a PT 17
there
> also, with the same color scheme.
>
> Looks like the list is back to normal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Robert Hensarling
> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> Uvalde, Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net>
Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 8:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: paint color
Hey, thanks Michael! That's what I wanted to know. Also, I found another
photo of this particular Piet in Richards new FANTASTIC website! It was
titled "Sparky", but still don't know much else about it. I think I
remember seeing a O.D. and yellow Piet there also, and what I liked about it
was that it had wire wheels (which may not look that "authenic" with the
blue and yellow).
Looks like you guys in Kansas and on up through the North East are getting
hit hard today with the weather.
Thanks Again,
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
>Hi Robert!
>
>I knew all my Flying Aces scale info would work to build a better Piet! ;-)
>
>The blue/yellow colors were in effect by 1934-35 -- before that they were
>O.D./ yellow. The yellow wings & tail came about 'cause the all O.D.
>planes were too hard to see in peace time.
>
>Mike Conkling
>Pretty Prairie, KS
>
>----------
>> From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Subject: paint color
>> Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 6:25 PM
>>
>> Hi List. If you click on this site,
>> http://users.aol.com/bpanews/www.html
>> there is a Piet in the upper photo on the left-hand side, that is Army
>Air
>> Corps blue and yellow. Does anyone know of other photos of this Piet?
>> Also, does anyone on the list happen to know the approximate year this
>color
>> scheme started being used by the AAC? I'm thinking it was in the 30's
>> sometime, but thought maybe someone may know more about this. I'm
>> considering painting my GN-1 to this scheme, since it'll be hangered in
>the
>> old military hanger at Garner Field, here in Uvalde. There's a PT 17
>there
>> also, with the same color scheme.
>>
>> Looks like the list is back to normal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> Robert Hensarling
>> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>> Uvalde, Texas
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | What, No more of My Favorite Martin? |
Gee, I can't remember a subject in recent history that
stirred up more response than
My old pal Martin "the likable" Montegue Mad Montage
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Re: www.AirCamper.org |
I must admit, I prefer "that Decosta" now to Richard
the site looks great
That Bill
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| From: | Phil Peck <crusader(at)thegrid.net> |
Steve,
Still QUIETLY here, Getting ready to start my 1/4 scale swing wing piet.
The town seven miles away is called Montague ! Needless to say my wife
who normally ignores my piet e-mail got curious. Spent half an hour
explaining that one and another deleting the 85 messages that piled up
over two days!
phil
--
Check out Crusader Toys @
http://www.Crusadertoys.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net> |
Richard!
Make up some light fiberglass wheel covers (with a slight dome like a set
of "laker disks" ) for that "golden age" wheel look over the spoke wheels!
;-)
No rough weather here -- just a real healthy 40 mph west wind after the
front went thru -- any one want to try hovering in thier Piet??
that other Mike C.
PP, KS
> From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: paint color
> Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 8:14 PM
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 8:24 PM
> Subject: Re: paint color
>
> Hey, thanks Michael! That's what I wanted to know. Also, I found
another
> photo of this particular Piet in Richards new FANTASTIC website! It was
> titled "Sparky", but still don't know much else about it. I think I
> remember seeing a O.D. and yellow Piet there also, and what I liked about
it
> was that it had wire wheels (which may not look that "authenic" with the
> blue and yellow).
>
> Looks like you guys in Kansas and on up through the North East are
getting
> hit hard today with the weather.
> Thanks Again,
> Robert Hensarling
> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> Uvalde, Texas
>
>
> >Hi Robert!
> >
> >I knew all my Flying Aces scale info would work to build a better Piet!
;-)
> >
> >The blue/yellow colors were in effect by 1934-35 -- before that they
were
> >O.D./ yellow. The yellow wings & tail came about 'cause the all O.D.
> >planes were too hard to see in peace time.
> >
> >Mike Conkling
> >Pretty Prairie, KS
> >
> >----------
> >> From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> Subject: paint color
> >> Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 6:25 PM
> >>
> >> Hi List. If you click on this site,
> >> http://users.aol.com/bpanews/www.html
> >> there is a Piet in the upper photo on the left-hand side, that is Army
> >Air
> >> Corps blue and yellow. Does anyone know of other photos of this Piet?
> >> Also, does anyone on the list happen to know the approximate year this
> >color
> >> scheme started being used by the AAC? I'm thinking it was in the 30's
> >> sometime, but thought maybe someone may know more about this. I'm
> >> considering painting my GN-1 to this scheme, since it'll be hangered
in
> >the
> >> old military hanger at Garner Field, here in Uvalde. There's a PT 17
> >there
> >> also, with the same color scheme.
> >>
> >> Looks like the list is back to normal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >> Robert Hensarling
> >> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> >> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> >> Uvalde, Texas
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Les Lampman <lblampman(at)bigfoot.com> |
Hi Robert,
Did your GN-1 make it yet or is the weather still holding you up?
Just curious,
Les
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Robert's GN-1 |
-----Original Message-----
From: Les Lampman <lblampman(at)bigfoot.com>
Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 9:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Robert's GN-1
Hi Les. Mike Teves is leaving out of Chanute, Ks, at 0630 in the morning
heading for Uvalde (650 miles of so) in the GN-1. Will have some Westerly
winds for a lot of the way, but shoulddn't have any stroms tomorrow.. Plans
on getting 3/4 of the way tomorrow, and finish up Sat. Morning.
Robert Hensarling
>Hi Robert,
>
>Did your GN-1 make it yet or is the weather still holding you up?
>
>Just curious,
>Les
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: More lofting questions |
Dave- I was talking to Gary Price of Yesterday's Wings the other night with
the same question- The 3 piece wing plans show 3/4 inch spars, original
plans are 1 inch. Gary said that it is important that the centerline of the
3/4 spars are in the same place as the centerline of the 1 inch spar, or
there will be problems with the struts. He suggested gluing a piece of 1/8
plywood at each point where the rib contacts the spar to keep spacing correct.
Anyone else that can verify this idea?
Al Swanson
>I got the le problem figured out... Use the front most
>points specified on the offsets and draw a line between
>them. That defines the le slant. I arrived at that by
>measuring the le stock and the distance between the pins
>that I used to mark the points. Both were 2".
>
>Next questions. My kit has 3/4" spars. Looking at the
>3 piece wing plan this looks ok. I am planning on
>keeping the spacing between the spars at 27 3/4" as
>specified on all of the drawings. This is the spacing
>used for 1" spars. By keeping the spacing at 27 3/4 that
>means that the other edges of the spars move in by 1/4"
>each. I need to verify that the 3/4" spars are not built
>up to 1" at the rib stations. It doesn't look that way
>but I want to make sure.
>
>Are the 3/4" spars left at 3/4" and not built up at the
>rib stations or routed between them?
>
>Is it correct to keep the spar spacing at 27 3/4" and
>let the slack come from the outboard sides? It looks
>like this would have the minimum impact on things like
>strut spacing.
>
>Dave
>First capstrip gets bent on the jig tonight...
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Les Lampman <lblampman(at)bigfoot.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Robert's GN-1 |
Great Robert, hope everything goes well. Let us know when it gets there!
Les
-----Original Message-----
hensarling
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 7:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Robert's GN-1
-----Original Message-----
From: Les Lampman <lblampman(at)bigfoot.com>
Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 9:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Robert's GN-1
Hi Les. Mike Teves is leaving out of Chanute, Ks, at 0630 in the morning
heading for Uvalde (650 miles of so) in the GN-1. Will have some Westerly
winds for a lot of the way, but shoulddn't have any stroms tomorrow.. Plans
on getting 3/4 of the way tomorrow, and finish up Sat. Morning.
Robert Hensarling
>Hi Robert,
>
>Did your GN-1 make it yet or is the weather still holding you up?
>
>Just curious,
>Les
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craig & Shari Hanson <chanson(at)polarcomm.com> |
JUST A SHORT NOTE TO SEE IF THIS IS WORKING.
GREETINGS FROM HOT AND HUMID NORTH DAKOTA
Craig Hanson
JUST A SHORT NOTE TO SEE IF THIS IS WORKING.
GREETINGS FROM HOT AND HUMID NORTH DAKOTA
Craig Hanson
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Neal <llneal(at)earthlink.ten> |
| Subject: | Re: Testing the restrictions |
Good Work!, Thanks Steve!
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> would a couple of you fine folks please reply or post so I can make
> sure the member only restriction is working? If you have a problem
> please email direct.Your happy list manager, Steve
> EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduIT ServicesBrigham Young University
Good Work!, Thanks Steve!
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
would
a couple of you fine folks please reply or post so I can make sure the
member only restriction is working? If you have a problem please
email direct.Your
happy list manager,Steve
EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduIT
ServicesBrigham Young University
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | one inch vs. 3/4 inch spars |
Hi folks,
Some years ago when I was just starting building I spoke with Vi
Kapler at Brodhead about this topic. I asked him why, when using 3/4
inch spars you couldn't adjust the rib jig to accomodate 3/4 inch spars
instead of cutting and glueing the plywood at each rib. He thought the
only reason for using the ply spacers was so they could build the ribs in
the same jig as they used for one inch spars.
I have one inch spars so did not test the idea. Remember Mr.
Pietenpol not only used 3/4 inch solid spars but also made laminated ones
with stacks of 3/4 members glued and nailed to form spars.
She's one fine, tough old bird.
Tom
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC" |
Well the week-end is not shaping up very well and I don't mean the weather.
The planned 70th Anniv. First flight on the week-end may not go as
scheduled. I ran into a problem when changing the Temp. sender in the Al.
oil pan. The brass reducer broke off. Couldn't get at it to fix, so with the
help of a good friend, the engine was removed. As it turns out the new temp.
sender is of a larger size...so... I think I'll turn it down and re-thread
to 1/4 NPT. I also think I'll relace the rubber gasket to cork type. I
couldn't order another in time and there's nothing wrong with cork. If I get
all this done tonight and put it back together and the weather co-operates,
and and and... I'll get to fly it.
Sometime Soon,
Domenic
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RGASKIN <randy(at)icomnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib lofting questions |
Greg Yotz wrote:
>
> Good, question. I don't have the answer right off. I'll think about
> it. But I would like to through something else into the 'Rib Lofting'
> ring.
> Has anyone ever produced a 2D CAD drawing of the rib? I was
> thinking about doing just this. That way I could plot a 1:1 of the rib
> anytime I needed to, or for someone else. My plotter will make a 1:1
> plot within .002"+/- with this size of paper. This would sure make,
> making a rib jig easier.
>
> Greg Yotz
>
> Dave and Connie wrote:
>
> > Let's take a break from bashing those that shouldn't own
> > a computer.
> >
> > I am lofting my rib jig. I have the full size paper
> > template but it is off by 1/8" on the spar spacing.
> > I work for a copier company and have no trust of
> > lines on anything copied.
> >
> > How do you define the angle on the front of the rib?
> > Is it the line between the top of the rib at 1/2" from
> > the le (2" from baseline) and the bottom of the rib at
> > 1 1/2" from the le (3/8" from baseline)? That is what
> > the Don Pietenpol plans infer but the perpendicular from
> > that line through the cl of the le 1 1/2" above baseline
> > is less than the 1" thickness of the leading edge.
> >
> > Dave
> > Lofting away in Retsof, NY.
Greg, please do this. I'd like to have one. Let me know the price.
Thanks and may you be blessed with a tailwind. Randy Gaskins
randy(at)icomnet.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib lofting questions |
Thanks David.
I'm going to give it a try too after I get back from Sun'n'Fun.
Maybe I can mail someone who has ribs to over lay and see how close I get.
Greg Yotz
David B. Schober wrote:
> I tried to put the rib plan form into my cad program. The problem I ran
> into was that the drawing (on wing plan sheet) doesn't have enough data
> points to do the leading edge properly. It's been a while since I tried it
> but I seem to recall that as the problem. I've done it with other airfoils
> with no problem. Most NACA airfoils give coordinates as a percentage of
> chord and they work well. If I get a chance, I'll try the Piet airfoil
> again and see what I come up with.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug Sheets <doug_sheets(at)hotmail.com> |
List:
Those of you wanting CAD drawings of ribs can find them on Richard
DeCostas great web page. I have a few large format plotters that I can
do some drawings for those that don't have the equipment.
We have found that ink-jet plotters are not as accurate as the old pen
style so be careful about what you use.
I just had an operation this week and am going to Sun-N-Fun tomorrow,
but when I get back I'm going to redraw the metal attach fitings in
CAD and make the changes advised in Mike Cuys excellent video. Anyone
needing metal parts to the new specs can mail me and we can share
info.
Later, Doug Sheets
Meadville, PA
________________________________________________________________________________
Please, my friend, make sure it is right before you try to fly it.
All the best for tomorrow, or whenever.
Tom
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
>
>The blue/yellow colors were in effect by 1934-35 -- before that they were
>O.D./ yellow. The yellow wings & tail came about 'cause the all O.D.
>planes were too hard to see in peace time.
>
>Mike Conkling
>Pretty Prairie, KS
Mike, one last thing, do you know when the O.D./Yellow scheme started, and
if there was a set scheme before it?
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin McDonald <kevin.mcdonald(at)dev.tivoli.com> |
Anybody going to Sun-n-Fun?
I'll be there from Sun-Tue in my White/Blue Tri Pacer N4540A.
Sorry, I'm not going to fly the Piet 1000+ miles from Texas...
Ktm
Austin TX.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: one inch vs. 3/4 inch spars |
Tom,
I remembered that you mentioned the 3/4" spars so I went out
and measured. I am going to just move the gussets in a bit
to make the 3/4". The jig will get used for only one plane
so it should be alright. The trip to see your project was
very worthwhile.
I will have to look more closely to decide if I should maintain
the spar to spar spacing as shown on the plans or if I should
go for the spar centers. The thinking on keeping the 27 3/4"
spacing was that it appears that all of the hardware is on the
inner sides of the spars.
Dave
>Hi folks,
> Some years ago when I was just starting building I spoke with Vi
>Kapler at Brodhead about this topic. I asked him why, when using 3/4
>inch spars you couldn't adjust the rib jig to accomodate 3/4 inch spars
>instead of cutting and glueing the plywood at each rib. He thought the
>only reason for using the ply spacers was so they could build the ribs in
>the same jig as they used for one inch spars.
> I have one inch spars so did not test the idea. Remember Mr.
>Pietenpol not only used 3/4 inch solid spars but also made laminated ones
>with stacks of 3/4 members glued and nailed to form spars.
> She's one fine, tough old bird.
>Tom
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib lofting questions |
You guys that are going to look into the cad drawings may
want to have rulers printed on the drawings in both the
X and Y directions. Paper is not very stable with humidity.
I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see 1/8" or more change
in the length of a Piet rib. Now if you run drafting
mylar you will have something that the epoxy won't stick
to.
Lofting isn't that big of a deal. I should have a web
page up in a few days showing how to build a rib jig.
My plan is to document my project by putting up a user
manual type of site.
Dave
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
It's 6:30 here in Uvalde, Texas. I've been tracking my GN-1 all day, and
they just called. They're about one hour out from Uvalde, looks like I'll
get to fly the GN this evening for just a
bit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Will give a report later tonite or tomorrow.
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net> |
Robert!
In 1927, the Army went to the O.D./yellow -- the same time they went to the
13 red & white rudder stripes with the the blue stripe (1/3 the rudder
width) at the rudder hinge line. When they were all O.D., the rudder
stripes vertical, blue at the rudder hinge.
My favorite plane with these colors is the Curtiss P-6E from the 17th
Pursuit Sq with the white Snow Owl insignia & claws on the wheel pants!
Mike C.
PP, KS
> From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: colors
> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 12:54 PM
>
> >
> >The blue/yellow colors were in effect by 1934-35 -- before that they
were
> >O.D./ yellow. The yellow wings & tail came about 'cause the all O.D.
> >planes were too hard to see in peace time.
> >
> >Mike Conkling
> >Pretty Prairie, KS
>
> Mike, one last thing, do you know when the O.D./Yellow scheme started,
and
> if there was a set scheme before it?
> Robert Hensarling
> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> Uvalde, Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Lund <malund(at)sprint.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Testing the restrictions |
Hi Steve
Restriction working fromCanada
Mike
malund(at)sprint.ca
Hi Steve
Restriction working
fromCanada
Mike
________________________________________________________________________________
Kevin
I just wanted to let you know that Mark is there at Sun n Fun. He has a booth
set up some where for Team Rocket!!
Diane
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: which hinge? |
Wicks aircraft list two different types of piano hinges,
I plan on ordering the cheaper one, third item from top
page 207. Now let me explain which size would be
better for the Pietenpol. They are 6' in length I plan
on using entire length but theres a 1-1/16, 1-1/4,1-1/2 and
a 2 inch width. which would be the most applicable
for the Pietenpol aileron ? Second question should
I try to turn down hinge pin out of airstream?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net>
Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 7:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: colors
Hi Michael, thanks again for the info. Is there a photo you know of of the
plane your describing (P-6E)?
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
>Robert!
>
>In 1927, the Army went to the O.D./yellow -- the same time they went to the
>13 red & white rudder stripes with the the blue stripe (1/3 the rudder
>width) at the rudder hinge line. When they were all O.D., the rudder
>stripes vertical, blue at the rudder hinge.
>
>My favorite plane with these colors is the Curtiss P-6E from the 17th
>Pursuit Sq with the white Snow Owl insignia & claws on the wheel pants!
>
>Mike C.
>PP, KS
>
>----------
>> From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Subject: colors
>> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 12:54 PM
>>
>> >
>> >The blue/yellow colors were in effect by 1934-35 -- before that they
>were
>> >O.D./ yellow. The yellow wings & tail came about 'cause the all O.D.
>> >planes were too hard to see in peace time.
>> >
>> >Mike Conkling
>> >Pretty Prairie, KS
>>
>> Mike, one last thing, do you know when the O.D./Yellow scheme started,
>and
>> if there was a set scheme before it?
>> Robert Hensarling
>> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>> Uvalde, Texas
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: video and gear placement |
EARL,
My mailing address is box 735, Hardy, AR. 72542
THAXS A BUNCH RUSS
-----Original Message-----
From: Earl Myers
Date: Sunday, April 04, 1999 6:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: video and gear placement
>RUSSEL;
> I will send you a (free) drawing showing all the stuff needed to make
that
>hinge/gap seal modification like Mike Cuy uses.....I kinda know the
>designer.........let me know where to send it. I ysed it on my Scout too.
>Earl Myers
>-----Original Message-----
>From: kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Sunday, April 04, 1999 7:19 PM
>Subject: Re: video and gear placement
>
>
>>I plan on attaching aileron to wing with hinge
>>how much gap should I plan on cutting out
>>of stock two accomadate piano hinge, I here
>>this is a good way to eliminate gap by using a hinge
>>of this type?
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: DonanClara(at)aol.com <DonanClara(at)aol.com>
>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>Date: Sunday, April 04, 1999 10:51 AM
>>Subject: video and gear placement
>>
>>
>>>thanx Michael for your prompt reply to my e-mails on the above subjects.
I
>>>have posted my check for the tape and I'm certain I will find it of great
>>>value seeing how someone else has approached the various construction
>>>problems each Piet builder faces. In regard to the gear placement I am
>>happy
>>>to get some more info on the changes that were done to Sky Gypsy. I have
>>my
>>>gear positioned in accordance with the plans. I should get some clue to
>>>whether I have a problem when I have done my pre-cover W&B but will not
>>know
>>>for sure until my first high speed taxi runs on how easily the tail comes
>>>off. One thing I have learned over the years is to carefully weigh other
>>>builders' methods and changes but to understand that every plane is
unique
>>>unto itself and that the only thing you should rely on is your own
>project.
>>>However, having said that ,I must acknowledge that I have certainly
>>benifited
>>>from the many great ideas other builders have shared with me through
>>personal
>>>correspondence.
>>>Don Hicks
>>>
>>
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Re: close- It's here |
Robert;
Congratulations; You sound like a proud poppa. I know you
have been waiting a while to get that plane. Have you
stopped smiling? sounds like you could like up the runway
they way you are beaming. Again, congratulations and good
luck.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Re: www.AirCamper.org |
Richard;
Just out of curiosity, how did you set yourself up as a
website? are you hooked directly to the internet without
the use of a ISP? I have wondered how that is done and if
you did it, please share. Is is just me or are the images
sharper at your new site?
Thanks
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | michael list <mclist(at)ptw.com> |
| Subject: | Re: which hinge? |
kyle ray wrote:
>
> Wicks aircraft list two different types of piano hinges,
> I plan on ordering the cheaper one, third item from top
> page 207. Now let me explain which size would be
> better for the Pietenpol. They are 6' in length I plan
> on using entire length but theres a 1-1/16, 1-1/4,1-1/2 and
> a 2 inch width. which would be the most applicable
> for the Pietenpol aileron ? Second question should
> I try to turn down hinge pin out of airstream?
>
Russ,
Whatever hinge you get, make sure it is of the more expensive extruded
type, not the cheaper folded variety. Air Campers are tough, but having
an aileron come adrift might be a bit too much abuse, even for it. Take
the hit for the more expensive extruded hinge.
Perhaps Mike Cuy can recommend which direction for the hinge pin to lie.
Mike List
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Les Lampman <lblampman(at)bigfoot.com> |
Hi Robert,
Congratulations!! Happy to hear your GN-1 made it safely. Happy flying :)
Les Lampman
Oak Harbor, Whidbey Island, Washington
U.S.A.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RGASKIN <randy(at)icomnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib lofting questions |
Dave and Connie wrote:
>
> You guys that are going to look into the cad drawings may
> want to have rulers printed on the drawings in both the
> X and Y directions. Paper is not very stable with humidity.
> I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see 1/8" or more change
> in the length of a Piet rib. Now if you run drafting
> mylar you will have something that the epoxy won't stick
> to.
>
> Lofting isn't that big of a deal. I should have a web
> page up in a few days showing how to build a rib jig.
> My plan is to document my project by putting up a user
> manual type of site.
>
> Dave
Dave, I'm looking foward to your wing rib jig instructions and web
site. Please keep us informed. Thanks, Randy Gaskins
randy(at)icomnet.com. May you be blessed with a tailwind.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Neal <llneal(at)earthlink.ten> |
| Subject: | Re: www.AirCamper.org |
Congratulations Richard! Good Work!
---------------------------------------------
Richard DeCosta wrote:
> It's here! Many, many thanks to all who have helped to make this
> happen. If I missed anyone on the site, please remind me so I can give
> credit where credit is due.
>
> http://www.AirCamper.org
>
> Enjoy all!
> Richard
> ===
> http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
>
> "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: www.AirCamper.org |
The company I work for, Auto Europe, has a T3 line (multiple T1's).
That is about as fast a connection to the net as you can get. They
simply allowed me to hook my web server (just a dedicated computer) up
to their T1 and use a domain name with it. Essentially, they are my
ISP, only I dont have to pay $600+ a month to have the server hooked up
like you would at most places. I just have to have the server, which,
thanks to the group, I do now.
All the images are exactly the same as before. Perhaps you have dusted
your monitor's screen recently? :)
Richard
--- Bill Talbert wrote:
> Richard;
>
> Just out of curiosity, how did you set yourself up as a
> website? are you hooked directly to the internet without
> the use of a ISP? I have wondered how that is done and if
> you did it, please share. Is is just me or are the images
> sharper at your new site?
>
> Thanks
> Bill
>
>
===
http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: www.AirCamper.org |
P.S. all - the site will be down most of this weekend while I install
some more server software and a new network card. Should be back up by
Sunday/Monday.
--- Richard DeCosta wrote:
> The company I work for, Auto Europe, has a T3 line (multiple T1's).
> That is about as fast a connection to the net as you can get. They
> simply allowed me to hook my web server (just a dedicated computer)
> up
> to their T1 and use a domain name with it. Essentially, they are my
> ISP, only I dont have to pay $600+ a month to have the server hooked
> up
> like you would at most places. I just have to have the server, which,
> thanks to the group, I do now.
>
> All the images are exactly the same as before. Perhaps you have
> dusted
> your monitor's screen recently? :)
>
> Richard
>
>
> --- Bill Talbert wrote:
> > Richard;
> >
> > Just out of curiosity, how did you set yourself up as a
> > website? are you hooked directly to the internet without
> > the use of a ISP? I have wondered how that is done and if
> > you did it, please share. Is is just me or are the images
> > sharper at your new site?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Bill
> >
> >
>
> ===
> http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
> Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
> http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
>
> "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God."
> -Gordon Baxter
>
>
>
>
>
===
http://www.wrld.com/w3builder
Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:
http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968
"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | arkiesacres(at)juno.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rib lofting questions |
I agree with the user manual so we have more guidelines. That would make
me get another IPS so I could get to it and they other good sites.
Keep up the good work Dave & Connie
Gordon
>Dave and Connie wrote:
>>
>> You guys that are going to look into the cad drawings may
>> want to have rulers printed on the drawings in both the
>> X and Y directions. Paper is not very stable with humidity.
>> I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see 1/8" or more change
>> in the length of a Piet rib. Now if you run drafting
>> mylar you will have something that the epoxy won't stick
>> to.
>>
>> Lofting isn't that big of a deal. I should have a web
>> page up in a few days showing how to build a rib jig.
>> My plan is to document my project by putting up a user
>> manual type of site.
>>
>> Dave
>Dave, I'm looking foward to your wing rib jig instructions and web
>site. Please keep us informed. Thanks, Randy Gaskins
>randy(at)icomnet.com. May you be blessed with a tailwind.
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
| Subject: | Re: which hinge? |
> Wicks aircraft list two different types of piano hinges,
>I plan on ordering the cheaper one, third item from top
>page 207. Now let me explain which size would be
>better for the Pietenpol. They are 6' in length I plan
>on using entire length but theres a 1-1/16, 1-1/4,1-1/2 and
>a 2 inch width. which would be the most applicable
>for the Pietenpol aileron ? Second question should
>I try to turn down hinge pin out of airstream?
>
>
Based on our Teman experience, go for the up pin instalation first.
Saludos
Gary Gower
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
| Subject: | Re: close- It's here |
>Robert;
>
>Congratulations; You sound like a proud poppa. I know you
>have been waiting a while to get that plane. Have you
>stopped smiling? sounds like you could like up the runway
>they way you are beaming. Again, congratulations and good
>luck.
>
>
Congratulations!!!
Just an advise: do as much landings as you can for practice, it pays off.
and rember:
CROSSWIND LANDINGS ARE A BREEZE - FOR THOSE WHO PRACTICE !
Gusts and crosswinds on takeoff or landing cause 80% of wind-related accidents.
Make crosswind landings a regular part of your proficiency flying.
Saludos
Gary Gower
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: which hinge? |
Sir;
PLEASE only use the extruded (Military part # MS20001-P3 or P4 ) !
The hinge pin is a long wire that you will have to block at the hinge ends
so it won't wiggle out. The top of the "barrel" of the hinge is flush with
the top of the wing, the two sides are going down the face of each spar. I
used this exact arrangement on my Scout and Mike Cuy used it on his
Aircamper which is always in the air!
DO NOT USE the wrap around type hinge. It is not designed for "continuous
duty" and the hinge "pin" wire is a very loose fit whereas the extruded
hunge has a very tight fit. My Scout ailerons are shorter so I had to trim
off accordingly. The Aircamper should use the full 6' length.
EARL MYERS
-----Original Message-----
From: michael list <mclist(at)ptw.com>
Date: Saturday, April 10, 1999 12:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: which hinge?
>kyle ray wrote:
>>
>> Wicks aircraft list two different types of piano hinges,
>> I plan on ordering the cheaper one, third item from top
>> page 207. Now let me explain which size would be
>> better for the Pietenpol. They are 6' in length I plan
>> on using entire length but theres a 1-1/16, 1-1/4,1-1/2 and
>> a 2 inch width. which would be the most applicable
>> for the Pietenpol aileron ? Second question should
>> I try to turn down hinge pin out of airstream?
>>
>
>Russ,
>
>Whatever hinge you get, make sure it is of the more expensive extruded
>type, not the cheaper folded variety. Air Campers are tough, but having
>an aileron come adrift might be a bit too much abuse, even for it. Take
>the hit for the more expensive extruded hinge.
>
>Perhaps Mike Cuy can recommend which direction for the hinge pin to lie.
>
>Mike List
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: which hinge? |
GARY!! Do you want a copy of this drawing, the aileron hinge? If so, advise
by direct e-mail to me with your snail-mail address....
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx>
Date: Saturday, April 10, 1999 10:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: which hinge?
>> Wicks aircraft list two different types of piano hinges,
>>I plan on ordering the cheaper one, third item from top
>>page 207. Now let me explain which size would be
>>better for the Pietenpol. They are 6' in length I plan
>>on using entire length but theres a 1-1/16, 1-1/4,1-1/2 and
>>a 2 inch width. which would be the most applicable
>>for the Pietenpol aileron ? Second question should
>>I try to turn down hinge pin out of airstream?
>>
>>
>Based on our Teman experience, go for the up pin instalation first.
>
>Saludos
>
>Gary Gower
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net> |
Robert
Check out www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/early_years/ey13.htm
The Air Force museum has thier P-6E restored to this color scheme -- the
17th Pursuit Sq. was painted this way for theier participation in the 1932
National Air Races. The scheme was hard to keep up, so it was somewhat
subdued afterwards! ;-)
Mike C.
PP, KS
> From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: colors
> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 9:55 PM
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 7:01 PM
> Subject: Re: colors
>
> Hi Michael, thanks again for the info. Is there a photo you know of of
the
> plane your describing (P-6E)?
> Robert Hensarling
> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> Uvalde, Texas
>
>
> >Robert!
> >
> >In 1927, the Army went to the O.D./yellow -- the same time they went to
the
> >13 red & white rudder stripes with the the blue stripe (1/3 the rudder
> >width) at the rudder hinge line. When they were all O.D., the rudder
> >stripes vertical, blue at the rudder hinge.
> >
> >My favorite plane with these colors is the Curtiss P-6E from the 17th
> >Pursuit Sq with the white Snow Owl insignia & claws on the wheel pants!
> >
> >Mike C.
> >PP, KS
> >
> >----------
> >> From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> Subject: colors
> >> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 12:54 PM
> >>
> >> >
> >> >The blue/yellow colors were in effect by 1934-35 -- before that they
> >were
> >> >O.D./ yellow. The yellow wings & tail came about 'cause the all
O.D.
> >> >planes were too hard to see in peace time.
> >> >
> >> >Mike Conkling
> >> >Pretty Prairie, KS
> >>
> >> Mike, one last thing, do you know when the O.D./Yellow scheme started,
> >and
> >> if there was a set scheme before it?
> >> Robert Hensarling
> >> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> >> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> >> Uvalde, Texas
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Landing gear |
Pat,
It's a small world! I,m Don Cooley, live in N. California, and probably no
(close) relation, but it was a hoot seeing e-mail from Pat Cooley, as that's
my brother's name. He's probably no relation to you, either, but I just
wanted to say "Hi."
Don Cooley (ADonJr(at)AOL.com)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: which hinge? |
I have seen a number of ways to secure hinge pins. One of the neatest is to
bend a loop in one end and secure the pin from sliding out by putting a screw
through the loop.
I would comment on the use of "wrap around" style hinges. These are used on
all RV aircraft for flap hinges. My RV6 has 700+ hours on it now and the flap
hinges are just as tight as they were 6 years ago. Strength may not be as
great as the extruded type but the hinges, when installed properly are
stronger then any of the welded up ones in the plans because they spread the
load out over the structure.
I'll admit it. I'm a tightwad. I'll use the cheap ones. I have had good luck
with them.
Regards,
Bob Seibert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Fay <jefay(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Priming metal parts? |
We just ordered all the steel plate we need to make the
various fittings and control pieces. I have never worked
with steel before. When I finish making a part, shouldn't
it be primed immediately before being stored away? With
what? I know that I can get spray cans of zinc chromate
primer, but I thought I read someplace that won't work
anymore because many of the paints and other chemicals
used in the covering processes now will break it down
just like paint removers. Can anyone clear this up for me?
Thanks.
John in Peoria
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Priming metal parts? |
I paint my metal parts with Zinc Chromate when they are constructed, to
protect them until ready for installation. After final fit and just before
installation, I paint them with the final color coat. I've never had any
trouble with this procedure through two Piper J-5 restorations.
Phil
> From: John Fay <jefay(at)yahoo.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Priming metal parts?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
Earl,
I forgot to give you my name it's Russell Ray,
thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net>
Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 9:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: video and gear placement
>EARL,
>
>My mailing address is box 735, Hardy, AR. 72542
>
> THAXS A BUNCH RUSS
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Earl Myers
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Sunday, April 04, 1999 6:16 PM
>Subject: Re: video and gear placement
>
>
>>RUSSEL;
>> I will send you a (free) drawing showing all the stuff needed to make
>that
>>hinge/gap seal modification like Mike Cuy uses.....I kinda know the
>>designer.........let me know where to send it. I ysed it on my Scout too.
>>Earl Myers
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net>
>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>Date: Sunday, April 04, 1999 7:19 PM
>>Subject: Re: video and gear placement
>>
>>
>>>I plan on attaching aileron to wing with hinge
>>>how much gap should I plan on cutting out
>>>of stock two accomadate piano hinge, I here
>>>this is a good way to eliminate gap by using a hinge
>>>of this type?
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: DonanClara(at)aol.com <DonanClara(at)aol.com>
>>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>>Date: Sunday, April 04, 1999 10:51 AM
>>>Subject: video and gear placement
>>>
>>>
>>>>thanx Michael for your prompt reply to my e-mails on the above subjects.
>I
>>>>have posted my check for the tape and I'm certain I will find it of
great
>>>>value seeing how someone else has approached the various construction
>>>>problems each Piet builder faces. In regard to the gear placement I am
>>>happy
>>>>to get some more info on the changes that were done to Sky Gypsy. I
have
>>>my
>>>>gear positioned in accordance with the plans. I should get some clue to
>>>>whether I have a problem when I have done my pre-cover W&B but will not
>>>know
>>>>for sure until my first high speed taxi runs on how easily the tail
comes
>>>>off. One thing I have learned over the years is to carefully weigh other
>>>>builders' methods and changes but to understand that every plane is
>unique
>>>>unto itself and that the only thing you should rely on is your own
>>project.
>>>>However, having said that ,I must acknowledge that I have certainly
>>>benifited
>>>>from the many great ideas other builders have shared with me through
>>>personal
>>>>correspondence.
>>>>Don Hicks
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: which hinge? |
BOB:
Would you happen to know what the part number is of that hinge? If it is
the Mil-Spec wrap around type and you have 700+ hours of flying on it, I
guess it would work for a low & slow Piet.
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Seibert
Date: Sunday, April 11, 1999 7:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: which hinge?
>I have seen a number of ways to secure hinge pins. One of the neatest is to
>bend a loop in one end and secure the pin from sliding out by putting a
screw
>through the loop.
>I would comment on the use of "wrap around" style hinges. These are used on
>all RV aircraft for flap hinges. My RV6 has 700+ hours on it now and the
flap
>hinges are just as tight as they were 6 years ago. Strength may not be as
>great as the extruded type but the hinges, when installed properly are
>stronger then any of the welded up ones in the plans because they spread
the
>load out over the structure.
>I'll admit it. I'm a tightwad. I'll use the cheap ones. I have had good
luck
>with them.
>Regards,
>Bob Seibert
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David B. Schober" <dbs(at)fscvax.wvnet.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: which hinge? |
Another way to secure the hinge pin is to just bend a 90 degree angle in one end,
drill a small hole adjacent to where this end will be and use a piece of .021
safety wire to secure it. All the piano hinges on my Howard (270 mph red line)
are done this way!
Seibert wrote:
> I have seen a number of ways to secure hinge pins. One of the neatest is to
> bend a loop in one end and secure the pin from sliding out by putting a screw
> through the loop.
> I would comment on the use of "wrap around" style hinges. These are used on
> all RV aircraft for flap hinges. My RV6 has 700+ hours on it now and the flap
> hinges are just as tight as they were 6 years ago. Strength may not be as
> great as the extruded type but the hinges, when installed properly are
> stronger then any of the welded up ones in the plans because they spread the
> load out over the structure.
> I'll admit it. I'm a tightwad. I'll use the cheap ones. I have had good luck
> with them.
> Regards,
> Bob Seibert
--
David B.Schober, CPE
Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
Fairmont State College
National Aerospace Education Center
Rt. 3 Box 13
Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503
(304) 842-8300
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Priming metal parts? |
Sir;
I suggest that you don't use the old Zinc Chromate primers. Use the new two
part epoxy primers and paints, almost bullet proof or you could have them
powder coated ($). Z Chromeate does negatively react with a lot of covering
processes. The two parts don't. In the meantime, until you have intstalled
them for fit with the other parts, just coat them in light oil or the like.
This way you can dip them in solvent which removes the oil or preservative,
fiddle the fit to the other parts or whatever then just re-oil them and put
them in zip lock sandwhich bags. No mess, no rust. When all the "fiddeling"
is done and you are ready for final installation, then get them final
painted or coated. My first plane was done the "old" way, IE; Z Chromate and
enamel finish. After the fittings were installed, most of them were chipped,
nicked or showed signs of rust on the edges. The two part paints and
especially powder coating did away with that. It is dissapointing how much
paint gets removed or scuffed at final assembly from wrenches, sockets and
drift pins...!
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: John Fay <jefay(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, April 11, 1999 9:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Priming metal parts?
>
>
>We just ordered all the steel plate we need to make the
>various fittings and control pieces. I have never worked
>with steel before. When I finish making a part, shouldn't
>it be primed immediately before being stored away? With
>what? I know that I can get spray cans of zinc chromate
>primer, but I thought I read someplace that won't work
>anymore because many of the paints and other chemicals
>used in the covering processes now will break it down
>just like paint removers. Can anyone clear this up for me?
>
>Thanks.
>
>John in Peoria
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Priming metal parts? |
The powder coating thing is now available for us home tinkerers. Go to
http://www.eastwoodco.com
and check out their $149.00 kit. Have done some practice pieces for myself and
they turned out really great.
W-----
Earl Myers wrote:
> Sir;
> I suggest that you don't use the old Zinc Chromate primers. Use the new two
> part epoxy primers and paints, almost bullet proof or you could have them
> powder coated ($). Z Chromeate does negatively react with a lot of covering
> processes. The two parts don't. In the meantime, until you have intstalled
> them for fit with the other parts, just coat them in light oil or the like.
> This way you can dip them in solvent which removes the oil or preservative,
> fiddle the fit to the other parts or whatever then just re-oil them and put
> them in zip lock sandwhich bags. No mess, no rust. When all the "fiddeling"
> is done and you are ready for final installation, then get them final
> painted or coated. My first plane was done the "old" way, IE; Z Chromate and
> enamel finish. After the fittings were installed, most of them were chipped,
> nicked or showed signs of rust on the edges. The two part paints and
> especially powder coating did away with that. It is dissapointing how much
> paint gets removed or scuffed at final assembly from wrenches, sockets and
> drift pins...!
> Earl Myers
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Fay <jefay(at)yahoo.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Sunday, April 11, 1999 9:25 AM
> Subject: Priming metal parts?
>
> >
> >
> >We just ordered all the steel plate we need to make the
> >various fittings and control pieces. I have never worked
> >with steel before. When I finish making a part, shouldn't
> >it be primed immediately before being stored away? With
> >what? I know that I can get spray cans of zinc chromate
> >primer, but I thought I read someplace that won't work
> >anymore because many of the paints and other chemicals
> >used in the covering processes now will break it down
> >just like paint removers. Can anyone clear this up for me?
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >John in Peoria
> >
> >
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)startribune.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Priming metal parts? |
Powder coating is the way to go. I'm using it on my metal pieces.
Application is easy and cheap.
On the BPA website there is an article written by Chris Bobka about powder
coating.
Mr. Bobka will also give a powder coating seminar at Btodhead this year.
Greg Cardinal
>>> Warren Shoun 04/11 11:23 AM >>>
The powder coating thing is now available for us home tinkerers. Go
to
http://www.eastwoodco.com
and check out their $149.00 kit. Have done some practice pieces for
myself and
they turned out really great.
W-----
Earl Myers wrote:
> Sir;
> I suggest that you don't use the old Zinc Chromate primers. Use the new
two
> part epoxy primers and paints, almost bullet proof or you could have
them
> powder coated ($). Z Chromeate does negatively react with a lot of
covering
> processes. The two parts don't. In the meantime, until you have
intstalled
> them for fit with the other parts, just coat them in light oil or the
like.
> This way you can dip them in solvent which removes the oil or preservativ=
e,
> fiddle the fit to the other parts or whatever then just re-oil them and
put
> them in zip lock sandwhich bags. No mess, no rust. When all the
"fiddeling"
> is done and you are ready for final installation, then get them final
> painted or coated. My first plane was done the "old" way, IE; Z Chromate
and
> enamel finish. After the fittings were installed, most of them were
chipped,
> nicked or showed signs of rust on the edges. The two part paints and
> especially powder coating did away with that. It is dissapointing how
much
> paint gets removed or scuffed at final assembly from wrenches, sockets
and
> drift pins...!
> Earl Myers
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Fay <jefay(at)yahoo.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Sunday, April 11, 1999 9:25 AM
> Subject: Priming metal parts?
>
> >
> >
> >We just ordered all the steel plate we need to make the
> >various fittings and control pieces. I have never worked
> >with steel before. When I finish making a part, shouldn't
> >it be primed immediately before being stored away? With
> >what? I know that I can get spray cans of zinc chromate
> >primer, but I thought I read someplace that won't work
> >anymore because many of the paints and other chemicals
> >used in the covering processes now will break it down
> >just like paint removers. Can anyone clear this up for me?
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >John in Peoria
> >
> >
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Priming metal parts? |
It took a few minutes, but I found it. In here he talks
about the rig from Clint's outfit, The Eastwood co.
Sounds pretty good to me.
http://members.aol.com/bpabpabpa/powder.html
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| Subject: | Re: Testing the restrictions |
Steve,
You may check my bonifides to the group list.
I don't add much to the discussion as I am not as yet building. I have
plans for the Piet, the long fuselage, GN-1. I have a Continental 75 for
my project, built the motor mount jig and have been sidetracked by "this
old house" projects. I am interested in propmaking and welding.
Yours,
acer(at)inet1.inetworld.net
Alan.
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> would a couple of you fine folks please reply or post so I can make
> sure the member only restriction is working? If you have a problem
> please email direct.Your happy list manager, Steve
> EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduIT ServicesBrigham Young University
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Fay <jefay(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Priming metal parts? |
> ----------
> > From: John Fay <jefay(at)yahoo.com>
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: Priming metal parts?
>
> To Phil,
If you used the z chromate, I would like to know what covering process
you used on the two Pipers.
Thanks.
John in Peoria
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Sayre, William G" <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com> |
Obviously I don't speak for everyone but something tells me I speak for a lot of
the group when I say that I don't mind being the sounding board for your ramblings!
Congratulations!
Bill Sayre
> -----Original Message-----
> From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 6:59 PM
> Subject: close
>
> excess of 650 miles on the airplane from Chanute, Kansas, to Uvalde, Texas.
Didn't mean to ramble, but just wanted to tell someone.
> Robert (now if I can just get up to Brodhead) Hensarling
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
-----Original Message-----
From: Sayre, William G <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Monday, April 12, 1999 8:15 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: close
Thanks Bill!!! Weather has been to windy to fly since the day I got the GN.
I spent a lot of time yesterday going over every inch of the plane, and even
started the engine a number of times just to listen to her purr. I'm still
practicing getting in and out of both cockpits. I'd like to make the entry
look fluid like Michael Cuy does on his video, but the first time I tried to
get in the front, I had one guy pushing on my port side, and one guy pulling
on my starboard side, while my wife helped with the left foot. (I can do it
by myself just fine now though). I would have loved to have a video of
that.
Having a blast!
Robert
>Obviously I don't speak for everyone but something tells me I speak for a
lot of the group when I say that I don't mind being the sounding board for
your ramblings!
>
>Congratulations!
>
>Bill Sayre
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 6:59 PM
>> Subject: close
>>
>> excess of 650 miles on the airplane from Chanute, Kansas, to Uvalde,
Texas.
>
> Didn't mean to ramble, but just wanted to tell someone.
>> Robert (now if I can just get up to Brodhead) Hensarling
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Sayre, William G" <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com> |
Isn't it funny how when we get our planes we spend time going over them during
bad flying days and then later just go off and do other things? Perhaps you're
lucky having the chance to go through it well before a lot of flying. Even
though I don't like starting engines for short periods, (even cars) I'd be doing
EXACTLY what you're doing. Keep up the fun - just thinking about it makes
me smile! Won't this summer be GREAT!!!
Enviously,
Bill
> ----------
> From: robert hensarling[SMTP:rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com]
> Reply To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 6:08 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: close
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sayre, William G <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Monday, April 12, 1999 8:15 AM
> Subject: RE: close
>
> Thanks Bill!!! Weather has been to windy to fly since the day I got the GN.
> I spent a lot of time yesterday going over every inch of the plane, and even
> started the engine a number of times just to listen to her purr. I'm still
> practicing getting in and out of both cockpits. I'd like to make the entry
> look fluid like Michael Cuy does on his video, but the first time I tried to
> get in the front, I had one guy pushing on my port side, and one guy pulling
> on my starboard side, while my wife helped with the left foot. (I can do it
> by myself just fine now though). I would have loved to have a video of
> that.
>
> Having a blast!
> Robert
>
>
> >Obviously I don't speak for everyone but something tells me I speak for a
> lot of the group when I say that I don't mind being the sounding board for
> your ramblings!
> >
> >Congratulations!
> >
> >Bill Sayre
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 6:59 PM
> >> Subject: close
> >>
> >> excess of 650 miles on the airplane from Chanute, Kansas, to Uvalde,
> Texas.
> >
> > Didn't mean to ramble, but just wanted to tell someone.
> >> Robert (now if I can just get up to Brodhead) Hensarling
> >>
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
Robert H. !!!!
Congratulations, Robert on taking delivery and test flying your GN-1 !!
Glad to hear you got some front seat time and now getting ready to
fly from the back. Getting in and out just takes some practice......
and the wing cutout/flop sure helps. I just grease myself up with
Crisco, get the shoe horn, and whala, I'm in and going !
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
Group- This was posted on Grant's page under 'for sale/wanted' just
in case you missed it.
Mike C.
email 3/21/99) Air Camper project for sale Madison, Wisconsin:
Nearly complete long fuselage, complete tailfeathers with cast aluminium
hinges, partially complete wing panel (3 piece), professionally welded
landing gear vees, 3-2'x4'x1/16" ply, enough streamline tubing for
cabanes and two struts, extra spruce, extra tubing and sheet stock, AN
Hardware, rebuilt Model "A" short-block; 0.08 bore, new pistons, rings,
valves, neoprene main seal, Pietnepol mods., pan and splash. $1,500.00
Cash & Carry. Will not part out.
Thanks, Paul A. Sherman
psherman(at)execpc.com
Group- This was posted on Grant's page under 'for sale/wanted'
just
in case you missed it.
Mike C.
email 3/21/99) Air Camper project for sale Madison, Wisconsin:
Nearly complete long fuselage, complete tailfeathers with cast
aluminium
hinges, partially complete wing panel (3 piece), professionally
welded
landing gear vees, 3-2'x4'x1/16 ply, enough streamline tubing
for
cabanes and two struts, extra spruce, extra tubing and sheet stock,
AN
Hardware, rebuilt Model A short-block; 0.08 bore, new
pistons, rings,
valves, neoprene main seal, Pietnepol mods., pan and splash.
$1,500.00
Cash Carry. Will not part out.
Thanks, Paul A. Sherman
psherman(at)execpc.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William C. Beerman" <wcb(at)bbt.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Priming metal parts? |
We attended an excellent seminar put on by Poly-Fiber at Osh Kosh last year.
The concern is that the adhesives and dopes used in the Poly-Fiber (and some other)
processes contains Methyl-Ethyl Ketone (MEK) which can dissolve Zinc Chromate
Primer. The solution is to always use a TWO PART epoxy primer on any surface
that will be in contact with the fabric.
If you'll be at Osh Kosh this year, I 'd highly recommend attending as many of
the seminars and workshops as you can; I really learned a lot.
> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 06:26:33 -0700 (PDT)
> From: John Fay <jefay(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Priming metal parts?
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> MIME-version: 1.0
> Comments: Originally To: "Pietenpol Discussion"
> X-Listname:
>
>
>
> We just ordered all the steel plate we need to make the
> various fittings and control pieces. I have never worked
> with steel before. When I finish making a part, shouldn't
> it be primed immediately before being stored away? With
> what? I know that I can get spray cans of zinc chromate
> primer, but I thought I read someplace that won't work
> anymore because many of the paints and other chemicals
> used in the covering processes now will break it down
> just like paint removers. Can anyone clear this up for me?
>
> Thanks.
>
> John in Peoria
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Priming metal parts? |
Piet gang;
...this is, in detail, what I was generally saying about using Chromate
with certain coverings. I use Stits or Poly Fiber on everything now and it's
components will dissolve Chromate and what a mess it is. These days when
thinking about coverings, you have to think ahead to make sure everything is
compatable starting with the varnish and metal primers. I had to revarnish
the allready varnished areas (urethane spar varnish) with the two part
Stits varnish wherever the glu/fabric was going to come in contact with the
airframe..........I tried to save $ here by just treating the "touched"
areas with either of the two-parts....Bottom line, use two parts varnish and
primers if you use Stits but best off all, buy their instruction manual, the
new one, it makes covering A-Z very easy to understand.
Earl
-----Original Message-----
From: William C. Beerman <wcb(at)bbt.com>
Date: Monday, April 12, 1999 11:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Priming metal parts?
>We attended an excellent seminar put on by Poly-Fiber at Osh Kosh last
year.
>The concern is that the adhesives and dopes used in the Poly-Fiber (and
some other)
>processes contains Methyl-Ethyl Ketone (MEK) which can dissolve Zinc
Chromate
>Primer. The solution is to always use a TWO PART epoxy primer on any
surface
>that will be in contact with the fabric.
>
>If you'll be at Osh Kosh this year, I 'd highly recommend attending as many
of
>the seminars and workshops as you can; I really learned a lot.
>
>> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 06:26:33 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: John Fay <jefay(at)yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Priming metal parts?
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> MIME-version: 1.0
>> Comments: Originally To: "Pietenpol Discussion"
>> X-Listname:
>>
>>
>>
>> We just ordered all the steel plate we need to make the
>> various fittings and control pieces. I have never worked
>> with steel before. When I finish making a part, shouldn't
>> it be primed immediately before being stored away? With
>> what? I know that I can get spray cans of zinc chromate
>> primer, but I thought I read someplace that won't work
>> anymore because many of the paints and other chemicals
>> used in the covering processes now will break it down
>> just like paint removers. Can anyone clear this up for me?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> John in Peoria
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | DuPont 222S Sealer |
The MEK (methyl ethel kytone) solvent found in most
aircraft finishing systems will attack regular varnish and
primers (zinc chromate, automotive, etc..unless 2 part)
however there is a way around this. My entire Piet was
varnished in Helmsman polyurethane by Minwax and left to
cure for about 2 months. The metal parts were all primed
in spray can zinc chromate and left to cure. All the wood and
metal parts were then sprayed with a light coating of DuPont
222S sealer it's called from the automotive paint store.
That sealed the parts against attack from MEK. This is how
the older wise owls out at our local strip do it.
The advantage with the two part systems though is you don't have
to wait for cure times.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: DuPont 222S Sealer |
IRON;
i PRINTED THIS OUT FOR FUTURE REF. NICE TO KNOW THIS END RUN STUFF!
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov>
Date: Monday, April 12, 1999 1:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: DuPont 222S Sealer
>The MEK (methyl ethel kytone) solvent found in most
>aircraft finishing systems will attack regular varnish and
>primers (zinc chromate, automotive, etc..unless 2 part)
>however there is a way around this. My entire Piet was
>varnished in Helmsman polyurethane by Minwax and left to
>cure for about 2 months. The metal parts were all primed
>in spray can zinc chromate and left to cure. All the wood and
>metal parts were then sprayed with a light coating of DuPont
>222S sealer it's called from the automotive paint store.
>That sealed the parts against attack from MEK. This is how
>the older wise owls out at our local strip do it.
>The advantage with the two part systems though is you don't have
>to wait for cure times.
>
>Mike C.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC" |
To all,
Got the engine back together but still have no oil temp. Will go out and buy
a new unit tonight (mech. type) and install tomorrow night. Would have been
too cold this past Sunday anyway with all that snow we received. Next
week-end for sure though.
Domenic
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
| Subject: | Sun-N-Fun Accommodations |
Can anybody recommend places to stay at for sun-n-fun?
I want a balance between close and inexpensive. Plus, of course,
because I convinced my wife I need to go she had to come along too. So
a swimming pool would be nice....
Greg Yotz
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Wings back on... |
Nearing the first flights of the spring. Smoke system installed and new
800x6 tires. Soon life will have meaning again. PS. don't tell duane that
I have smoke... Heh heh won't he be surprised....
BTW ATF doesn't smoke up all that well from my ground tests. Vegi oil is
next.
Steve Eldredge
Steve(at)byu.edu
IT Services
Brigham Young University
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: which hinge? |
Earl,
I would suggest trying http://www.wicks.com/aircraft/
Per new on-line catalog, it is $8.64 per 6' piece.
That is vs. $39.53 for the extruded part.
There are other part numbers and I am not sure which one is the best one to
use on the Piet. That is the one I would try first.
Regards,
Bob Seibert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Wings back on... |
>
> Steve- Robert H. and I have discussed substitutes for the Texaco Canopus No.
> 13
oil used for smoke by the airshow folks....and after looking at the chemical
properties
listed under Texaco's web page it looks like a close match might be a light
weight
mineral oil. You might want to try that if the vegi oil doesn't work.
Mike C.
>
>
(although it's not cheap, the Texaco stuff works GREAT !!)
Steve- Robert H. and I have discussed
substitutes for the Texaco Canopus No. 13oil used for smoke
by the airshow folks....and after looking at the chemical
properties
listed under Texaco's web page it looks like a close match might be a
light weight
mineral oil. You might want to try that if the vegi oil doesn't
work.
Mike C.
(although it's not cheap,
the Texaco stuff works GREAT !!)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Piet Hats Update |
Thanks to those who have placed orders for the Air Camper hats. I have
proofed the image (looks GREAT!) and they have the hat blanks. I'll be
sending out the goods by the end of the week or Monday (April 19th) I have
a few extra's made up if you want one on this first batch. I'll post a
digital picture as soon as I get a example back...
Steve Eldredge
Steve(at)byu.edu
IT Services
Brigham Young University
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Wallerjig(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Hats Update |
Steve,
What can you tell me about the Piet hats and how can I get one? I am a
recent Pietenpol enthusiast, from the net. I have yet to see one in real
space, hope when I do to get a ride.
May want to build one myself.................
Thanks,
Gary Waller
Wallerjig(at)aol.com
________________________________________________________________________________
For those who have recently joined us. (about 8 since MM!)
Here is the specs and pricing:
The Hat:
Heavy Stone Washed Denim low crown unconstructed
buckle back adjustment. Color is khaki with a dark green bill.
One size fits all. Basically I got my favorite hat and called the
manufacture
and spec'd it from it. You will love it. It is crushable and comfortable.
The Image:
I had to change the image a little to get it to look good and readable
in stitches. -This is kind of an art of its own!- Check the web site
if you want to see the revised image. http://steve.byu.edu
The embroidery:
13000 stitches of the finest thread.. I will probably go with a two tone
green color pattern, I put a picture on the web when I get a proof back.
We have the option of adding the text "Low and Slow for 70 Years" on the
back
for an additional $3. I also worked an option for you to specify your own
text up to
25 Characters for $5 i.e.: (Steve Eldredge NX7229R)
The price
$15 Front Logo Only w/o Low and Slow message.
$18 with rear message "Low and Slow for 70 Years."
$20 your own message i.e.: (Steve Eldredge NX7229R)
$2 per order (not per hat) for first class shipping .
As soon as I get checks from those who have indicated interest I'll place
the order
after that it will be two weeks. So I hope to have them to you in a month.
Send your check with a note including details and your Phone # to:
Steve Eldredge
1005 E. 620 N.
Provo UT, 84606
> Steve,
>
> What can you tell me about the Piet hats and how can I get
> one? I am a
> recent Pietenpol enthusiast, from the net. I have yet to see
> one in real
> space, hope when I do to get a ride.
> May want to build one myself.................
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gary Waller
> Wallerjig(at)aol.com
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Lund <malund(at)sprint.ca> |
| Subject: | Nose Block/ Leading Edge |
Hi All
I'm just about ready to cut the leading edge for my Sky Scout, and would
like to know how some of you have done it. I'm thinking of 2 different size
roundover bits on the router table, and smooth down the resulting point by
hand sanding- Any better ideas ?. Also, as I'm building from the flying and
glider manual plans, What sizes are the radii- it looks like about a 1"-1
1/4" and a 3/4"-78/"
Thanks
Mike
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Hi everyone. My name is Walt Evans. I'm building an Air Camper
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net>
Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 7:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: colors
Hi Michael. I've found a airplane that has the color scheme I want to use
on my GN-1. The airplane is the PT-1 "Trusty". Here's a photo of it:
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/early_years/ey11.htm
Could you provide any info as the the insignia designs and sizes? Also, is
there is "standard" O.D. and Yellow that should be used?
Thanks!
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
>Robert!
>
>In 1927, the Army went to the O.D./yellow -- the same time they went to the
>13 red & white rudder stripes with the the blue stripe (1/3 the rudder
>width) at the rudder hinge line. When they were all O.D., the rudder
>stripes vertical, blue at the rudder hinge.
>
>My favorite plane with these colors is the Curtiss P-6E from the 17th
>Pursuit Sq with the white Snow Owl insignia & claws on the wheel pants!
>
>Mike C.
>PP, KS
>
>----------
>> From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Subject: colors
>> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 12:54 PM
>>
>> >
>> >The blue/yellow colors were in effect by 1934-35 -- before that they
>were
>> >O.D./ yellow. The yellow wings & tail came about 'cause the all O.D.
>> >planes were too hard to see in peace time.
>> >
>> >Mike Conkling
>> >Pretty Prairie, KS
>>
>> Mike, one last thing, do you know when the O.D./Yellow scheme started,
>and
>> if there was a set scheme before it?
>> Robert Hensarling
>> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>> Uvalde, Texas
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
Welcome to the group Walt, I to am building a
Pietenpol Aircamper and have found this
discussion group both informative and
enjoyable.
-----Original Message-----
From: walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net>
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 4:56 PM
Subject: intro
Hi everyone. My name is Walt Evans. I'm building an Air Camper
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Yaesu VXA-100 PRO |
I recieved my Yaesu VXA-100 PRO COMM
reciever last night. This is the new handheld unit that retails for either
$349-$389 for the COMM only or around $550 for the NAV/COMM. Both come
with a NiCad battery and charger as well as a headset adapter. I also
purchased the BNC adapter and cig. lighter adapter. Total Cost was under
$400 USD. It was less than the quote I had to install my old KX-145
panelmount! It doesnt have any mounting apparatus yet, but it does have a
belt clip that should be sturdy enough to snap on to an appropriate spot
near the panel.
The amazing thing is the size of the unit. It can easily fit in a shirt
pocket. It has 5 W transmit power and should match most panel mount when
using an external antenna. It would probably work nicely in a Piet as you
could remove it when you land to keep from dirtying up the plane with
technology ;-).
Anyway, in-flight trials are this weekend in the local club's Citabria
and using the internal antenna. More after that flight.
Ken
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| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
Tell ya what if you want some ideals on paint
schemes then go to your local book store
and get a book called Janes book on
aircraft color schemes. There are literally
every imaginable combination you could
think of. Every airforce back to 1910, from
all over the world. Polish, Italian. RAF,
German, Russian.
russ
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
-----Original Message-----
From: kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net>
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 6:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: colors
Thanks Kyle!
Robert Hensarling
>Tell ya what if you want some ideals on paint
>schemes then go to your local book store
>and get a book called Janes book on
>aircraft color schemes. There are literally
>every imaginable combination you could
>think of. Every airforce back to 1910, from
>all over the world. Polish, Italian. RAF,
>German, Russian.
>
>
>russ
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Nose Block/ Leading Edge |
Mike,
You may want to look into finding a decent hand plane. A Stanley
#7 or 8 is a good choice for taking the bumps and lumps out
of a long piece. If you go shopping for one DON'T BUY A NEW
ONE. Get a flea market or antique shop version and sharpen it.
I can point you at some reputable web dealers if you want.
Dave
On the oldtools list too.....
>Hi All
>
>I'm just about ready to cut the leading edge for my Sky Scout, and would
>like to know how some of you have done it. I'm thinking of 2 different size
>roundover bits on the router table, and smooth down the resulting point by
>hand sanding- Any better ideas ?. Also, as I'm building from the flying and
>glider manual plans, What sizes are the radii- it looks like about a 1"-1
>1/4" and a 3/4"-78/"
>
>Thanks
>
>Mike
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
> Hi everyone. My name is Walt Evans. I'm building an Air Camper
Hi Walt,
Where are you located?
Dave
Rochester, NY - 30 miles south of Rochester
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Dave,
I'm from northern NJ. near Newton ( on the charts)
walt
p.s. I'm new to the group, is it proper to share pics. or is it just text?
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 7:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: intro
>> Hi everyone. My name is Walt Evans. I'm building an Air Camper
>
>Hi Walt,
>Where are you located?
>
>Dave
>Rochester, NY - 30 miles south of Rochester
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Brusilow <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net> |
-----Original Message-----
From: walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net>
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 6:54 PM
Subject: intro
Hi everyone. My name is Walt Evans. I'm building an Air Camper
Hi Walt: Welcome aboard.
Mike B ( Piet N687MB )
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| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Dave , thanks for the info.
I've got alot of the major stuff started(12 ribs but no wings yet) .
a little cramped for space, building in a 10'x20 basement.
Been following richard decosta's page through the shutdown , and just
tonight I ran into his new site, even logged on.
walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 8:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fw: intro
>Walt,
>
>This is a text only group. The best way to send pictures is
>to stick them on a web site or ftp site and tell folks where
>to find them. Richard DeCosta has a server that provides
>web space for Piet builders.
>
>I am just getting started on construction. The rib jig is done
>and a master set of rib parts has been cut out.
>
>Dave
>
>
>>Dave,
>>I'm from northern NJ. near Newton ( on the charts)
>>walt
>>p.s. I'm new to the group, is it proper to share pics. or is it just text?
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net>
>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 7:43 PM
>>Subject: Re: intro
>>
>>
>>>> Hi everyone. My name is Walt Evans. I'm building an Air Camper
>>>
>>>Hi Walt,
>>>Where are you located?
>>>
>>>Dave
>>>Rochester, NY - 30 miles south of Rochester
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
Is Ok to send photos direct, but photos (or any attchment) is not
recommended, because some members e-mail dont support attachements, and
loose the message.
You may ask Richar Da Costa if it OK to send your photos to him, he may be
able to post them in his great homepage www.AirCamper.org/
Will be great to see your progress.
Saludos
Gary Gower
(Guadalajara, Mexico)
>Dave,
>I'm from northern NJ. near Newton ( on the charts)
>walt
>p.s. I'm new to the group, is it proper to share pics. or is it just text?
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 7:43 PM
>Subject: Re: intro
>
>
>>> Hi everyone. My name is Walt Evans. I'm building an Air Camper
>>
>>Hi Walt,
>>Where are you located?
>>
>>Dave
>>Rochester, NY - 30 miles south of Rochester
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net> |
Hi Robert!
You can check your local hobby shop for plastic model paints -- Testors
"Model Master" are good colors -- they even have a color chart (freebie?)
The "Olive Drab"
is close to the early color -- Goverment specs. have changed over the
years.;-)
That's not a big problem as O.D. faded over time. The "yellow" you want is
"Chrome Yellow".
I think the Piet has more curves that the PT-1! -- and the cowling is sure
simplier!!
Mike C.
PP, KS
> From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: colors
> Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 5:53 PM
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 7:01 PM
> Subject: Re: colors
>
> Hi Michael. I've found a airplane that has the color scheme I want to
use
> on my GN-1. The airplane is the PT-1 "Trusty". Here's a photo of it:
> http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/early_years/ey11.htm
>
> Could you provide any info as the the insignia designs and sizes? Also,
is
> there is "standard" O.D. and Yellow that should be used?
> Thanks!
> Robert Hensarling
> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> Uvalde, Texas
>
>
>
>
> >Robert!
> >
> >In 1927, the Army went to the O.D./yellow -- the same time they went to
the
> >13 red & white rudder stripes with the the blue stripe (1/3 the rudder
> >width) at the rudder hinge line. When they were all O.D., the rudder
> >stripes vertical, blue at the rudder hinge.
> >
> >My favorite plane with these colors is the Curtiss P-6E from the 17th
> >Pursuit Sq with the white Snow Owl insignia & claws on the wheel pants!
> >
> >Mike C.
> >PP, KS
> >
> >----------
> >> From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> Subject: colors
> >> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 12:54 PM
> >>
> >> >
> >> >The blue/yellow colors were in effect by 1934-35 -- before that they
> >were
> >> >O.D./ yellow. The yellow wings & tail came about 'cause the all
O.D.
> >> >planes were too hard to see in peace time.
> >> >
> >> >Mike Conkling
> >> >Pretty Prairie, KS
> >>
> >> Mike, one last thing, do you know when the O.D./Yellow scheme started,
> >and
> >> if there was a set scheme before it?
> >> Robert Hensarling
> >> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> >> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> >> Uvalde, Texas
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
I can set anyone on the list up with FTP access to the server, with
your own directory, so you can upload & share images. Email me or fill
out this form: http://www.aircamper.org/FreeSpace.cfm
Richard
--- Gary Gower wrote:
> Is Ok to send photos direct, but photos (or any attchment) is not
> recommended, because some members e-mail dont support attachements,
> and
> loose the message.
>
> You may ask Richar Da Costa if it OK to send your photos to him, he
> may be
> able to post them in his great homepage www.AirCamper.org/
>
> Will be great to see your progress.
>
> Saludos
>
> Gary Gower
> (Guadalajara, Mexico)
>
> >Dave,
> >I'm from northern NJ. near Newton ( on the charts)
> >walt
> >p.s. I'm new to the group, is it proper to share pics. or is it just
> text?
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net>
> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 7:43 PM
> >Subject: Re: intro
> >
> >
> >>> Hi everyone. My name is Walt Evans. I'm building an Air
> Camper
> >>
> >>Hi Walt,
> >>Where are you located?
> >>
> >>Dave
> >>Rochester, NY - 30 miles south of Rochester
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
===
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"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com> |
robert hensarling wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 7:01 PM
> Subject: Re: colors
>
> Hi Michael. I've found a airplane that has the color scheme I want to use
> on my GN-1. The airplane is the PT-1 "Trusty". Here's a photo of it:
> http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/early_years/ey11.htm
>
> Could you provide any info as the the insignia designs and sizes? Also, is
> there is "standard" O.D. and Yellow that should be used?
> Thanks!
> Robert Hensarling
> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> Uvalde, Texas
>
> >Robert!
> >
> >In 1927, the Army went to the O.D./yellow -- the same time they went to the
> >13 red & white rudder stripes with the the blue stripe (1/3 the rudder
> >width) at the rudder hinge line. When they were all O.D., the rudder
> >stripes vertical, blue at the rudder hinge.
> >
> >My favorite plane with these colors is the Curtiss P-6E from the 17th
> >Pursuit Sq with the white Snow Owl insignia & claws on the wheel pants!
> >
> >Mike C.
> >PP, KS
> >
> >----------
> >> From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> Subject: colors
> >> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 12:54 PM
> >>
> >> >
> >> >The blue/yellow colors were in effect by 1934-35 -- before that they
> >were
> >> >O.D./ yellow. The yellow wings & tail came about 'cause the all O.D.
> >> >planes were too hard to see in peace time.
> >> >
> >> >Mike Conkling
> >> >Pretty Prairie, KS
> >>
> >> Mike, one last thing, do you know when the O.D./Yellow scheme started,
> >and
> >> if there was a set scheme before it?
> >> Robert Hensarling
> >> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> >> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> >> Uvalde, Texas
> >
Robert: I don't know what shade of O.D. ( there were meny over the
years) but the Army Aircorps always used "Insignia Yellow" hope this
helps.
John Duprey
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| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
Richard;
I tried your offer. it didn't work. Only thing I can think
of I did that might give a error, on the name of the web
page I put in a space. Is that a no-no? I got this message
Error Occurred While Processing Request
Error Diagnostic Information
ODBC Error Code = ()
Unable to get a connection to AirCamper.
The error occurred while processing an element with a
general identifier of (CFINSERT), occupying document
position
(5:1) to (5:66).
Date/Time: 01/22/96 22:26:35
Browser: Mozilla/4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U)
Remote Address: 209.30.149.253
HTTP Referer: http://www.aircamper.org/FreeSpace.cfm
Template: C:\ServerDocs\FreeSpaceAdd.cfm
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| Subject: | Re: Priming metal parts? |
John- I just got back from Sun 'N Fun, where I spoke with the Poly Fiber
people about this very question. They told me to go ahead and use zinc
chromate primer on the metal parts. When it comes time to paint, assuming
you are using their Poly Tone paints, spray an epoxy primer right over the
zinc primer. While the epoxy is still tacky, put a light coat of Poly Tone
paint on the part. The paint and epoxy mix somewhat, and gives the final
finish coat a chemically compatible base to link to.
Al Swanson
swans071(at)tc.umn.edu
>
>
>We just ordered all the steel plate we need to make the
>various fittings and control pieces. I have never worked
>with steel before. When I finish making a part, shouldn't
>it be primed immediately before being stored away? With
>what? I know that I can get spray cans of zinc chromate
>primer, but I thought I read someplace that won't work
>anymore because many of the paints and other chemicals
>used in the covering processes now will break it down
>just like paint removers. Can anyone clear this up for me?
>
>Thanks.
>
>John in Peoria
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Block/ Leading Edge |
Mike;
On my Scout, I started with a rectangular block of adequate size. I made a
stiff templete of the final contour. I then made four cuts with a table saw
to come angularly close to the profile. I then went to it with a belt sander
then orbital sander checking the L.E. with the profile as I went. Mine came
out very smooth and can hardly tell it was NOT machine cut.
Mike Cuy used a banister or stair handrail to start with.....if he reads
this (MIKE!) he will probebly chime in again with how he did that! My L.E.
was one piece, spliced three times and glued, not screwed, to the ribs. That
saved a hassle filling in all the screw holes.
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Lund <malund(at)sprint.ca>
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 5:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nose Block/ Leading Edge
>Hi All
>
>I'm just about ready to cut the leading edge for my Sky Scout, and would
>like to know how some of you have done it. I'm thinking of 2 different size
>roundover bits on the router table, and smooth down the resulting point by
>hand sanding- Any better ideas ?. Also, as I'm building from the flying and
>glider manual plans, What sizes are the radii- it looks like about a 1"-1
>1/4" and a 3/4"-78/"
>
>Thanks
>
>Mike
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Robert;
Back then, they used "Chrome Yellow" and "Olive Drab", however, O.D. back
then was different than today's O.D. so my Military Jeep buddies tell me.
They also said O.D. had a tendency to fade quickly to an odd
tanish-green.......Go to a model shop and look for the plastic model paint
guides. It is all in there. If your neck of the woods doesn't have that sort
of thing, advise and I will look that stuff up from here. Even the trim
colors were Federal Colors.........
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 6:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: colors
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 7:01 PM
>Subject: Re: colors
>
>Hi Michael. I've found a airplane that has the color scheme I want to use
>on my GN-1. The airplane is the PT-1 "Trusty". Here's a photo of it:
> http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/early_years/ey11.htm
>
>Could you provide any info as the the insignia designs and sizes? Also, is
>there is "standard" O.D. and Yellow that should be used?
>Thanks!
>Robert Hensarling
>http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>Uvalde, Texas
>
>
>>Robert!
>>
>>In 1927, the Army went to the O.D./yellow -- the same time they went to
the
>>13 red & white rudder stripes with the the blue stripe (1/3 the rudder
>>width) at the rudder hinge line. When they were all O.D., the rudder
>>stripes vertical, blue at the rudder hinge.
>>
>>My favorite plane with these colors is the Curtiss P-6E from the 17th
>>Pursuit Sq with the white Snow Owl insignia & claws on the wheel pants!
>>
>>Mike C.
>>PP, KS
>>
>>----------
>>> From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
>>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>> Subject: colors
>>> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 12:54 PM
>>>
>>> >
>>> >The blue/yellow colors were in effect by 1934-35 -- before that they
>>were
>>> >O.D./ yellow. The yellow wings & tail came about 'cause the all O.D.
>>> >planes were too hard to see in peace time.
>>> >
>>> >Mike Conkling
>>> >Pretty Prairie, KS
>>>
>>> Mike, one last thing, do you know when the O.D./Yellow scheme started,
>>and
>>> if there was a set scheme before it?
>>> Robert Hensarling
>>> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>>> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>>> Uvalde, Texas
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
-----Original Message-----
From: Earl Myers
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 11:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: colors
Thanks all for the help. Looks like I'm searching for either Chrome or
insignia yellow, and not quite sure yet on the O.D. There is a model shop
in San Antonio, and next time I'm there I'll drop in and look at the charts.
Once I find the colors I want, are there suggestions as to the source and
brand of the paint? The existing paint job on the GN is not too bad (just
not the color I want), so I suppose this will need to be prepared somehow
with a primer, then the new paint. I haven't a clue as to what brand of
paint was originally used in 77 when the ship was built.
Earl, you mentioned that the trim colors were Federal Colors. What exactly
does this refer to?
Thanks again for the help! I may get Richard to help me put up a before,
during, and after photo of the project eventually. Of course later on comes
the WIRE WHEELS. I've just GOTto have those. Lastly, would a GN-1 qualify
for the NX prefix, so as to not need the "experimental" placard, or would
this impossible to try and do at this point?
Later guys,
Robert Hensarling
GN-1 N83887
>Robert;
> Back then, they used "Chrome Yellow" and "Olive Drab", however, O.D. back
>then was different than today's O.D. so my Military Jeep buddies tell me.
>They also said O.D. had a tendency to fade quickly to an odd
>tanish-green.......Go to a model shop and look for the plastic model paint
>guides. It is all in there. If your neck of the woods doesn't have that
sort
>of thing, advise and I will look that stuff up from here. Even the trim
>colors were Federal Colors.........
>Earl Myers
>-----Original Message-----
>From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 6:55 PM
>Subject: Re: colors
>
>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net>
>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 7:01 PM
>>Subject: Re: colors
>>
>>Hi Michael. I've found a airplane that has the color scheme I want to use
>>on my GN-1. The airplane is the PT-1 "Trusty". Here's a photo of it:
>> http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/early_years/ey11.htm
>>
>>Could you provide any info as the the insignia designs and sizes? Also,
is
>>there is "standard" O.D. and Yellow that should be used?
>>Thanks!
>>Robert Hensarling
>>http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>>rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>>Uvalde, Texas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Robert!
>>>
>>>In 1927, the Army went to the O.D./yellow -- the same time they went to
>the
>>>13 red & white rudder stripes with the the blue stripe (1/3 the rudder
>>>width) at the rudder hinge line. When they were all O.D., the rudder
>>>stripes vertical, blue at the rudder hinge.
>>>
>>>My favorite plane with these colors is the Curtiss P-6E from the 17th
>>>Pursuit Sq with the white Snow Owl insignia & claws on the wheel pants!
>>>
>>>Mike C.
>>>PP, KS
>>>
>>>----------
>>>> From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
>>>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>>> Subject: colors
>>>> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 12:54 PM
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >The blue/yellow colors were in effect by 1934-35 -- before that they
>>>were
>>>> >O.D./ yellow. The yellow wings & tail came about 'cause the all O.D.
>>>> >planes were too hard to see in peace time.
>>>> >
>>>> >Mike Conkling
>>>> >Pretty Prairie, KS
>>>>
>>>> Mike, one last thing, do you know when the O.D./Yellow scheme started,
>>>and
>>>> if there was a set scheme before it?
>>>> Robert Hensarling
>>>> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>>>> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>>>> Uvalde, Texas
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
As Earl M. mentioned earlier I used standard stairway banister
hand railing for my wing leading edge. I bought 2 14 footers for the
wing panels (3pce) and a three footer for the center section.
Paid 1.00 or 1.50/ft. Two rip cuts thru the table saw and whala, the
'D' shape/curve I needed was already there. Trace out a full size
sketch of the 'D' shape you need, take it to the lumber yard and
hold it up against the end profile of the various sizes of hand rail and
then pick out the straightest ones. After the rip cuts you'll notice the
stress relief makes the l.e. wavy. This all irons out in the wash as
you begin screwing and gluing to the nose ribs. I have a sketch of this
and if anyone wants, send a sase to me...7720 Center Rd. Valley City, OH
44280
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
Robert;
If I recall, there is a BIG hobby shop in San Antonio that advertises a
lot. By Federal Colors I ment there are standard colors used by the military
since the 30's for their paint schemes, Olive Drab being one of them. Stits,
er, Poly Fiber as well as Randolph offer selected FS colors. Example; my
Scout is painted in Tennesee Red which is the same as Insignia Red, FS 31554
(for example, not the right number). There is also gloss, semi-gloss and
flat of each.
Also note, I wanted to change the color of some of my metal fittings on the
wing to red...couldn't re-powder coat them so ground off the paint,
reprimered and had the touchup paint COMPUTER MATCHED to my finished color.
You can't tell the difference! By the way, when you paint anything "RED",
the final shade of red depends on what color you paint over!
By this I mean my Scout started out to be Tennesee Red....it came out a tad
orange which is what I was after because I painted over the silver. To
achieve the bright red-red, you have to lighten up the silver with a light
coat of white. That will give you the color on the paint chips. I am told
this is true with YELLOW as well......
I will dig out my Military Color Charts and what not and let you know
about those numbers. The hobby shop even sells plastic model paints in those
little bottles to the FS number which I think means Federal Stock but let me
check.....................
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 3:47 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: colors
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Earl Myers
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 11:45 PM
>Subject: Re: colors
>
>Thanks all for the help. Looks like I'm searching for either Chrome or
>insignia yellow, and not quite sure yet on the O.D. There is a model shop
>in San Antonio, and next time I'm there I'll drop in and look at the
charts.
>Once I find the colors I want, are there suggestions as to the source and
>brand of the paint? The existing paint job on the GN is not too bad (just
>not the color I want), so I suppose this will need to be prepared somehow
>with a primer, then the new paint. I haven't a clue as to what brand of
>paint was originally used in 77 when the ship was built.
>
>Earl, you mentioned that the trim colors were Federal Colors. What exactly
>does this refer to?
>Thanks again for the help! I may get Richard to help me put up a before,
>during, and after photo of the project eventually. Of course later on
comes
>the WIRE WHEELS. I've just GOTto have those. Lastly, would a GN-1 qualify
>for the NX prefix, so as to not need the "experimental" placard, or would
>this impossible to try and do at this point?
>
>Later guys,
>Robert Hensarling
>GN-1 N83887
>
>
>>Robert;
>> Back then, they used "Chrome Yellow" and "Olive Drab", however, O.D.
back
>>then was different than today's O.D. so my Military Jeep buddies tell me.
>>They also said O.D. had a tendency to fade quickly to an odd
>>tanish-green.......Go to a model shop and look for the plastic model paint
>>guides. It is all in there. If your neck of the woods doesn't have that
>sort
>>of thing, advise and I will look that stuff up from here. Even the trim
>>colors were Federal Colors.........
>>Earl Myers
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 6:55 PM
>>Subject: Re: colors
>>
>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net>
>>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>>Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 7:01 PM
>>>Subject: Re: colors
>>>
>>>Hi Michael. I've found a airplane that has the color scheme I want to
use
>>>on my GN-1. The airplane is the PT-1 "Trusty". Here's a photo of it:
>>> http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/early_years/ey11.htm
>>>
>>>Could you provide any info as the the insignia designs and sizes? Also,
>is
>>>there is "standard" O.D. and Yellow that should be used?
>>>Thanks!
>>>Robert Hensarling
>>>http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>>>rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>>>Uvalde, Texas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Robert!
>>>>
>>>>In 1927, the Army went to the O.D./yellow -- the same time they went to
>>the
>>>>13 red & white rudder stripes with the the blue stripe (1/3 the rudder
>>>>width) at the rudder hinge line. When they were all O.D., the rudder
>>>>stripes vertical, blue at the rudder hinge.
>>>>
>>>>My favorite plane with these colors is the Curtiss P-6E from the 17th
>>>>Pursuit Sq with the white Snow Owl insignia & claws on the wheel pants!
>>>>
>>>>Mike C.
>>>>PP, KS
>>>>
>>>>----------
>>>>> From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
>>>>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>>>> Subject: colors
>>>>> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 12:54 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >The blue/yellow colors were in effect by 1934-35 -- before that they
>>>>were
>>>>> >O.D./ yellow. The yellow wings & tail came about 'cause the all
O.D.
>>>>> >planes were too hard to see in peace time.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Mike Conkling
>>>>> >Pretty Prairie, KS
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike, one last thing, do you know when the O.D./Yellow scheme started,
>>>>and
>>>>> if there was a set scheme before it?
>>>>> Robert Hensarling
>>>>> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>>>>> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>>>>> Uvalde, Texas
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Joe Krzes <jkrzes(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Leading edge |
Michael,
Thanks for the leading edge tip. I've been looking at the plans
(that's as far as my project is) and noticed that this isn't much
about the leading edge shape or attachment methods. I've got the full
set of official pietenpol plans, but can't find a template of the
shape! Is it on the plans somewhere?
Thanks,
Joe Krzes
Spring, Texas
PS. It's 'viola' instead of Whala, french you know.
>From: Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov>
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Leading edge
>Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:54:16 -0400
>
>As Earl M. mentioned earlier I used standard stairway banister
>hand railing for my wing leading edge. I bought 2 14 footers for the
>wing panels (3pce) and a three footer for the center section.
>Paid 1.00 or 1.50/ft. Two rip cuts thru the table saw and whala, the
>'D' shape/curve I needed was already there. Trace out a full size
>sketch of the 'D' shape you need, take it to the lumber yard and
>hold it up against the end profile of the various sizes of hand rail
and
>then pick out the straightest ones. After the rip cuts you'll notice
the
>stress relief makes the l.e. wavy. This all irons out in the wash as
>you begin screwing and gluing to the nose ribs. I have a sketch of
this
>and if anyone wants, send a sase to me...7720 Center Rd. Valley City,
OH
>44280
>
>Mike C.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Robert;
Here is a start:
CHROME YELLOW FS13538
INSIGNIA YELLOW FS33538
OLIVE DRAB FS34088
INSIGNIA RED FS31136
INSIGNIA WHITE FS17875
FS means "Federal Standard"....this info is from the Testor's paint charts
available at that hobby shop. Advise if you need more info!
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 3:47 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: colors
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Earl Myers
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 11:45 PM
>Subject: Re: colors
>
>Thanks all for the help. Looks like I'm searching for either Chrome or
>insignia yellow, and not quite sure yet on the O.D. There is a model shop
>in San Antonio, and next time I'm there I'll drop in and look at the
charts.
>Once I find the colors I want, are there suggestions as to the source and
>brand of the paint? The existing paint job on the GN is not too bad (just
>not the color I want), so I suppose this will need to be prepared somehow
>with a primer, then the new paint. I haven't a clue as to what brand of
>paint was originally used in 77 when the ship was built.
>
>Earl, you mentioned that the trim colors were Federal Colors. What exactly
>does this refer to?
>Thanks again for the help! I may get Richard to help me put up a before,
>during, and after photo of the project eventually. Of course later on
comes
>the WIRE WHEELS. I've just GOTto have those. Lastly, would a GN-1 qualify
>for the NX prefix, so as to not need the "experimental" placard, or would
>this impossible to try and do at this point?
>
>Later guys,
>Robert Hensarling
>GN-1 N83887
>
>
>>Robert;
>> Back then, they used "Chrome Yellow" and "Olive Drab", however, O.D.
back
>>then was different than today's O.D. so my Military Jeep buddies tell me.
>>They also said O.D. had a tendency to fade quickly to an odd
>>tanish-green.......Go to a model shop and look for the plastic model paint
>>guides. It is all in there. If your neck of the woods doesn't have that
>sort
>>of thing, advise and I will look that stuff up from here. Even the trim
>>colors were Federal Colors.........
>>Earl Myers
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 6:55 PM
>>Subject: Re: colors
>>
>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net>
>>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>>Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 7:01 PM
>>>Subject: Re: colors
>>>
>>>Hi Michael. I've found a airplane that has the color scheme I want to
use
>>>on my GN-1. The airplane is the PT-1 "Trusty". Here's a photo of it:
>>> http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/early_years/ey11.htm
>>>
>>>Could you provide any info as the the insignia designs and sizes? Also,
>is
>>>there is "standard" O.D. and Yellow that should be used?
>>>Thanks!
>>>Robert Hensarling
>>>http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>>>rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>>>Uvalde, Texas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Robert!
>>>>
>>>>In 1927, the Army went to the O.D./yellow -- the same time they went to
>>the
>>>>13 red & white rudder stripes with the the blue stripe (1/3 the rudder
>>>>width) at the rudder hinge line. When they were all O.D., the rudder
>>>>stripes vertical, blue at the rudder hinge.
>>>>
>>>>My favorite plane with these colors is the Curtiss P-6E from the 17th
>>>>Pursuit Sq with the white Snow Owl insignia & claws on the wheel pants!
>>>>
>>>>Mike C.
>>>>PP, KS
>>>>
>>>>----------
>>>>> From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
>>>>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>>>> Subject: colors
>>>>> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 12:54 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >The blue/yellow colors were in effect by 1934-35 -- before that they
>>>>were
>>>>> >O.D./ yellow. The yellow wings & tail came about 'cause the all
O.D.
>>>>> >planes were too hard to see in peace time.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Mike Conkling
>>>>> >Pretty Prairie, KS
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike, one last thing, do you know when the O.D./Yellow scheme started,
>>>>and
>>>>> if there was a set scheme before it?
>>>>> Robert Hensarling
>>>>> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>>>>> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>>>>> Uvalde, Texas
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Fay <jefay(at)yahoo.com> |
--- Joe Krzes wrote:
> Michael,
Don't let him lead you further astray Mike, it's
(But you are pronouncing it right.)
John in Peoria
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Leading edge |
> I've got the full
>set of official pietenpol plans, but can't find a template of the
>shape! Is it on the plans somewhere?
>
>Thanks,
>Joe Krzes
Joe- Yes, the nose shape is on the plans and it shows the
machine screw method of attatchment too. (ps- Pietenpol
plans at first glance seem to be 'missing something' but it's
amazing how much info is really there:)
Mike C.
I've got the full
set of official pietenpol plans, but can't find a template of the
shape! Is it on the plans somewhere?
Thanks,
Joe Krzes
Joe- Yes, the nose shape is on the plans and it shows the
machine screw method of attatchment too. (ps- Pietenpol
plans at first glance seem to be 'missing something' but it's
amazing how much info is really there:)
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
>
>
>--- Joe Krzes wrote:
>> Michael,
>>Don't let him lead you further astray Mike, it's
>>(But you are pronouncing it right.)
>>John in Peoria
Thanks, John ! That's why I say Whala, because even I can
spell that :))) The only French words I'm familiar with are French
Fries, French toast, and French dressing...oh, and don't forget
French bread. Yum- with lots of garlic and real butter.
Mike C.
--- Joe Krzes jkrzes(at)hotmail.com wrote:
Michael,
...viola,...
Don't let him lead you further astray Mike, it's
voila!
(But you are pronouncing it right.)
John in Peoria
Thanks, John ! That's why I say Whala, because even I
can
spell that :))) The only French words I'm
familiar with are French
Fries, French toast, and French dressing...oh, and don't
forget
French bread. Yum- with lots of garlic and real butter.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | rudder/elev hinges |
I have a question about the rudder and elevator hinges. I am working
from the original plans which call out a fabricated hinge bent and
welded. tried a few and they are really intense. I see by the various
photos that people are using the AN eyebolts. My AP's only concern is
that if one assy loosens and turns 90 deg , the controls will lock.
Is this what they use, and has any problems come up? Whats out there
to choose from?
thanks, walt evans
I have a question about the rudder
and elevator
hinges. I am working from the original plans which call out a
fabricated
hinge bent and welded. tried a few and they are really intense. I
see by
the various photos that people are using the AN eyebolts. My AP's
only
concern is that if one assy loosens and turns 90 deg , the controls will
lock.
Is this what they use, and has any
problems come
up? Whats out there to choose from?
thanks, walt
evans
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: rudder/elev hinges |
>
> I have a question about the rudder and elevator hinges. I am working from
> the original plans which call out a fabricated hinge bent and welded. tried
> a few and they are really intense. I see by the various photos that people
> are using the AN eyebolts. My AP's only concern is that if one assy loosens
> and turns 90 deg , the controls will lock.
> Is this what they use, and has any problems come up? Whats out there to
> choose from?
> thanks, walt evans
Pasted from Grant's page below. Hope this helps Walt. I wish I had
bought these from Vi.....instead I was stubborn and spent at least a week
making mine from 4130. Mike C.
(12/19/98) Vi Kapler makes, and offers:
Corvair propeller hub . . . . $200
Corvair intake manifold . . . . $175
Air Camper tail group hinges
nine pair, holes drilled, need
some finishing with file . . . $35
Coming soon:
Mechanical tach drive for Corvair
=== 1033 Forest Hills Drive SW
=== Rochester MN 55902
=== 507-288-3322
Newcomers may not know it was Vi who kept Pietenpol Field at
Cherry Grove open for its final few years and he was the one who
drew the plans for the 3-piece wing -- developed during his tenure at
C.G. . . . gem
I have a question about the
rudder and elevator hinges. I am working from the original plans
which call out a fabricated hinge bent and welded. tried a few and
they are really intense. I see by the various photos that people are
using the AN eyebolts. My AP's only concern is that if one assy
loosens and turns 90 deg , the controls will lock.
Is this what they use, and has any problems come up? Whats
out there to choose from?
thanks, walt evans
Pasted from Grant's page below. Hope this helps Walt. I
wish I had
bought these from Vi.....instead I was stubborn and spent at least a
week
making mine from 4130. Mike C.
(12/19/98) Vi Kapler makes, and offers:
Corvair propeller hub . . . . $200
Corvair intake manifold . . . . $175
Air Camper tail group hinges
nine pair, holes drilled, need
some finishing with file . . . $35
Coming soon:
Mechanical tach drive for Corvair
=== 1033 Forest Hills Drive SW
=== Rochester MN 55902
=== 507-288-3322
Newcomers may not know it was Vi who kept Pietenpol Field at
Cherry Grove open for its final few years and he was the one
who
drew the plans for the 3-piece wing -- developed during his tenure
at
C.G. . . . gem
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
BTW, did you ever make a decision on a motor core?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William C. Beerman" <wcb(at)bbt.com> |
| Subject: | Re: rudder/elev hinges |
Mike,
I too was stubborn and spent quite a bit of time building mine per the plans
(after first building a hydraulic bending rig). I was quite proud of my set of
hinges and my interpretation of the (somewhat vague) plans until my AN hardware
(clevis pins and pan head screws for hinge attachment) arrived, and I realized
that, using the dimensions in the plans, I could not install the clevis pins
with the hinges attached to the elevator and stabilizer.
I've been working on other things until I'm able to muster the gumption to make
a set of "taller" hinges. Did you encounter the same interference problem I
did? If so, how did you solve it?
My toughest challenge the first time around was making a good, but "flat" weld
to join each of the hinge pieces. I ended up MIG welding the female hinges,
and gas welding the male, just because this seemed to work well for me. Also,
I bent each piece and welded them together before trimming to final dimensions
with a band saw. I figured this would keep my out of any trouble with
miscalculating setback. All in all, it has been pretty time consuming, but
(hopefully) it will be worth the effort to have an authentic Piet.
-Bill
>
> Pasted from Grant's page below. Hope this helps Walt. I wish I had
> bought these from Vi.....instead I was stubborn and spent at least a week
> making mine from 4130. Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DonanClara(at)aol.com |
Hi Walt Evans...welcome to the group. how about telling us the status of you
project. If you have any big question marks on the plans just put it to the
group and I'll bet you'll get some good replies. Don Hicks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | helmet box latch |
for Mike C.,
I've seen and envied pictures of your cockpit for along time now. Can
you tell me where you got that brass, flush mounted ,finger pull latch?
Thanks
Walt Evans
for Mike C.,
I've seen and envied pictures of
your cockpit
for along time now. Can you tell me where you got that brass, flush
mounted
,finger pull latch?
Thanks
Walt
Evans
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Hannan <khannan(at)gte.net> |
You can buy the complete set of federal standard 595b color chips from
http://www.doceng.com/ I think I paid about 50.00$
Ken
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 10:33 AM
> Robert;
> Here is a start:
>
> CHROME YELLOW FS13538
> INSIGNIA YELLOW FS33538
> OLIVE DRAB FS34088
> INSIGNIA RED FS31136
> INSIGNIA WHITE FS17875
>
> FS means "Federal Standard"....this info is from the Testor's paint charts
> available at that hobby shop. Advise if you need more info!
> Earl Myers
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 3:47 AM
> Subject: Re: colors
>
>
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Earl Myers
> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 11:45 PM
> >Subject: Re: colors
> >
> >Thanks all for the help. Looks like I'm searching for either Chrome or
> >insignia yellow, and not quite sure yet on the O.D. There is a model
shop
> >in San Antonio, and next time I'm there I'll drop in and look at the
> charts.
> >Once I find the colors I want, are there suggestions as to the source
and
> >brand of the paint? The existing paint job on the GN is not too bad
(just
> >not the color I want), so I suppose this will need to be prepared somehow
> >with a primer, then the new paint. I haven't a clue as to what brand of
> >paint was originally used in 77 when the ship was built.
> >
> >Earl, you mentioned that the trim colors were Federal Colors. What
exactly
> >does this refer to?
> >Thanks again for the help! I may get Richard to help me put up a before,
> >during, and after photo of the project eventually. Of course later on
> comes
> >the WIRE WHEELS. I've just GOTto have those. Lastly, would a GN-1
qualify
> >for the NX prefix, so as to not need the "experimental" placard, or would
> >this impossible to try and do at this point?
> >
> >Later guys,
> >Robert Hensarling
> >GN-1 N83887
> >
> >
> >>Robert;
> >> Back then, they used "Chrome Yellow" and "Olive Drab", however, O.D.
> back
> >>then was different than today's O.D. so my Military Jeep buddies tell
me.
> >>They also said O.D. had a tendency to fade quickly to an odd
> >>tanish-green.......Go to a model shop and look for the plastic model
paint
> >>guides. It is all in there. If your neck of the woods doesn't have that
> >sort
> >>of thing, advise and I will look that stuff up from here. Even the trim
> >>colors were Federal Colors.........
> >>Earl Myers
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
> >>To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >>Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 6:55 PM
> >>Subject: Re: colors
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net>
> >>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >>>Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 7:01 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: colors
> >>>
> >>>Hi Michael. I've found a airplane that has the color scheme I want to
> use
> >>>on my GN-1. The airplane is the PT-1 "Trusty". Here's a photo of it:
> >>> http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/early_years/ey11.htm
> >>>
> >>>Could you provide any info as the the insignia designs and sizes?
Also,
> >is
> >>>there is "standard" O.D. and Yellow that should be used?
> >>>Thanks!
> >>>Robert Hensarling
> >>>http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> >>>rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> >>>Uvalde, Texas
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Robert!
> >>>>
> >>>>In 1927, the Army went to the O.D./yellow -- the same time they went
to
> >>the
> >>>>13 red & white rudder stripes with the the blue stripe (1/3 the rudder
> >>>>width) at the rudder hinge line. When they were all O.D., the rudder
> >>>>stripes vertical, blue at the rudder hinge.
> >>>>
> >>>>My favorite plane with these colors is the Curtiss P-6E from the 17th
> >>>>Pursuit Sq with the white Snow Owl insignia & claws on the wheel
pants!
> >>>>
> >>>>Mike C.
> >>>>PP, KS
> >>>>
> >>>>----------
> >>>>> From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
> >>>>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >>>>> Subject: colors
> >>>>> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 12:54 PM
> >>>>>
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