Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-ar
April 14, 1999 - April 30, 1999
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >The blue/yellow colors were in effect by 1934-35 -- before that
they
> >>>>were
> >>>>> >O.D./ yellow. The yellow wings & tail came about 'cause the all
> O.D.
> >>>>> >planes were too hard to see in peace time.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >Mike Conkling
> >>>>> >Pretty Prairie, KS
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mike, one last thing, do you know when the O.D./Yellow scheme
started,
> >>>>and
> >>>>> if there was a set scheme before it?
> >>>>> Robert Hensarling
> >>>>> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> >>>>> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> >>>>> Uvalde, Texas
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Don,
Thanks for the welcome. Been building since last summer from the plans from
Pietenpol family. My second wooden project. Have basic fuse completed, 12
ribs done, tail surfaces done also. Various other assys started. The
last thing that I finished was wire wheels, that I made from motorcycle rims
and spokes, and fabricated the hubs. I think they came out pretty well.
Speaking of questions on the plans.....The main wing struts, I guess, is an
obsolete size of streamline tube.
So with all of the different sizes I see in the photos, I picked up 4 used
struts. I think they are 1 7/8x 7/8"x.035wall. Same size as rear strut
from a J-3 Cub.. Any one use these???
Walt Evans
-----Original Message-----
From: DonanClara(at)aol.com <DonanClara(at)aol.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 6:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: intro
>Hi Walt Evans...welcome to the group. how about telling us the status of
you
>project. If you have any big question marks on the plans just put it to the
>group and I'll bet you'll get some good replies. Don Hicks
>
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| From: | Mark Hopkins <mhoppy(at)mailhost.ind.ameritech.net> |
| Subject: | Re: DISCUSSION GROUP |
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GOT MY E-MAIL ADDRESS, BUT WOULD YOU PLEASE NOT
SEND ANYMORE MESSAGES TO MY E-MAIL ADDRESS. THANK YOU
mhoppy(at)ameritech.net
Ken Hannan wrote:
>
> You can buy the complete set of federal standard 595b color chips from
> http://www.doceng.com/ I think I paid about 50.00$
>
> Ken
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Earl Myers
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 10:33 AM
> Subject: Re: colors
>
> > Robert;
> > Here is a start:
> >
> > CHROME YELLOW FS13538
> > INSIGNIA YELLOW FS33538
> > OLIVE DRAB FS34088
> > INSIGNIA RED FS31136
> > INSIGNIA WHITE FS17875
> >
> > FS means "Federal Standard"....this info is from the Testor's paint charts
> > available at that hobby shop. Advise if you need more info!
> > Earl Myers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 3:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: colors
> >
> >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Earl Myers
> > >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 11:45 PM
> > >Subject: Re: colors
> > >
> > >Thanks all for the help. Looks like I'm searching for either Chrome or
> > >insignia yellow, and not quite sure yet on the O.D. There is a model
> shop
> > >in San Antonio, and next time I'm there I'll drop in and look at the
> > charts.
> > >Once I find the colors I want, are there suggestions as to the source
> and
> > >brand of the paint? The existing paint job on the GN is not too bad
> (just
> > >not the color I want), so I suppose this will need to be prepared somehow
> > >with a primer, then the new paint. I haven't a clue as to what brand of
> > >paint was originally used in 77 when the ship was built.
> > >
> > >Earl, you mentioned that the trim colors were Federal Colors. What
> exactly
> > >does this refer to?
> > >Thanks again for the help! I may get Richard to help me put up a before,
> > >during, and after photo of the project eventually. Of course later on
> > comes
> > >the WIRE WHEELS. I've just GOTto have those. Lastly, would a GN-1
> qualify
> > >for the NX prefix, so as to not need the "experimental" placard, or would
> > >this impossible to try and do at this point?
> > >
> > >Later guys,
> > >Robert Hensarling
> > >GN-1 N83887
> > >
> > >
> > >>Robert;
> > >> Back then, they used "Chrome Yellow" and "Olive Drab", however, O.D.
> > back
> > >>then was different than today's O.D. so my Military Jeep buddies tell
> me.
> > >>They also said O.D. had a tendency to fade quickly to an odd
> > >>tanish-green.......Go to a model shop and look for the plastic model
> paint
> > >>guides. It is all in there. If your neck of the woods doesn't have that
> > >sort
> > >>of thing, advise and I will look that stuff up from here. Even the trim
> > >>colors were Federal Colors.........
> > >>Earl Myers
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
> > >>To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >>Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 6:55 PM
> > >>Subject: Re: colors
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>-----Original Message-----
> > >>>From: Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net>
> > >>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >>>Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 7:01 PM
> > >>>Subject: Re: colors
> > >>>
> > >>>Hi Michael. I've found a airplane that has the color scheme I want to
> > use
> > >>>on my GN-1. The airplane is the PT-1 "Trusty". Here's a photo of it:
> > >>> http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/early_years/ey11.htm
> > >>>
> > >>>Could you provide any info as the the insignia designs and sizes?
> Also,
> > >is
> > >>>there is "standard" O.D. and Yellow that should be used?
> > >>>Thanks!
> > >>>Robert Hensarling
> > >>>http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> > >>>rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> > >>>Uvalde, Texas
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>Robert!
> > >>>>
> > >>>>In 1927, the Army went to the O.D./yellow -- the same time they went
> to
> > >>the
> > >>>>13 red & white rudder stripes with the the blue stripe (1/3 the rudder
> > >>>>width) at the rudder hinge line. When they were all O.D., the rudder
> > >>>>stripes vertical, blue at the rudder hinge.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>My favorite plane with these colors is the Curtiss P-6E from the 17th
> > >>>>Pursuit Sq with the white Snow Owl insignia & claws on the wheel
> pants!
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Mike C.
> > >>>>PP, KS
> > >>>>
> > >>>>----------
> > >>>>> From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
> > >>>>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >>>>> Subject: colors
> > >>>>> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 12:54 PM
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >The blue/yellow colors were in effect by 1934-35 -- before that
> they
> > >>>>were
> > >>>>> >O.D./ yellow. The yellow wings & tail came about 'cause the all
> > O.D.
> > >>>>> >planes were too hard to see in peace time.
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >Mike Conkling
> > >>>>> >Pretty Prairie, KS
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Mike, one last thing, do you know when the O.D./Yellow scheme
> started,
> > >>>>and
> > >>>>> if there was a set scheme before it?
> > >>>>> Robert Hensarling
> > >>>>> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> > >>>>> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> > >>>>> Uvalde, Texas
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
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> BTW, did you ever make a decision on a motor core?
>
>
===
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| Subject: | Re: rudder/elev hinges |
I used eyebolts for elevator and rudder hinges. I spent a lot of effort
making sure that they wouldn't turn and lock up but, because they don't share
the same axis, they cannot turn, and, with three on each panel, they don't
lock up.
Jim Malley
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| From: | arkiesacres(at)juno.com |
| Subject: | Re: DISCUSSION GROUP |
Wow.
What an unhappy camper.
GB
writes:
>I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GOT MY E-MAIL ADDRESS, BUT WOULD YOU PLEASE NOT
>SEND ANYMORE MESSAGES TO MY E-MAIL ADDRESS. THANK YOU
>mhoppy(at)ameritech.net
>
>Ken Hannan wrote:
>>
>> You can buy the complete set of federal standard 595b color chips
>from
>> http://www.doceng.com/ I think I paid about 50.00$
>>
>> Ken
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Earl Myers
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 10:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: colors
>>
>> > Robert;
>> > Here is a start:
>> >
>> > CHROME YELLOW FS13538
>> > INSIGNIA YELLOW FS33538
>> > OLIVE DRAB FS34088
>> > INSIGNIA RED FS31136
>> > INSIGNIA WHITE FS17875
>> >
>> > FS means "Federal Standard"....this info is from the Testor's
>paint charts
>> > available at that hobby shop. Advise if you need more info!
>> > Earl Myers
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
>> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> > Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 3:47 AM
>> > Subject: Re: colors
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > >-----Original Message-----
>> > >From: Earl Myers
>> > >To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> > >Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 11:45 PM
>> > >Subject: Re: colors
>> > >
>> > >Thanks all for the help. Looks like I'm searching for either
>Chrome or
>> > >insignia yellow, and not quite sure yet on the O.D. There is a
>model
>> shop
>> > >in San Antonio, and next time I'm there I'll drop in and look at
>the
>> > charts.
>> > >Once I find the colors I want, are there suggestions as to the
>source
>> and
>> > >brand of the paint? The existing paint job on the GN is not too
>bad
>> (just
>> > >not the color I want), so I suppose this will need to be prepared
>somehow
>> > >with a primer, then the new paint. I haven't a clue as to what
>brand of
>> > >paint was originally used in 77 when the ship was built.
>> > >
>> > >Earl, you mentioned that the trim colors were Federal Colors.
>What
>> exactly
>> > >does this refer to?
>> > >Thanks again for the help! I may get Richard to help me put up a
>before,
>> > >during, and after photo of the project eventually. Of course
>later on
>> > comes
>> > >the WIRE WHEELS. I've just GOTto have those. Lastly, would a
>GN-1
>> qualify
>> > >for the NX prefix, so as to not need the "experimental" placard,
>or would
>> > >this impossible to try and do at this point?
>> > >
>> > >Later guys,
>> > >Robert Hensarling
>> > >GN-1 N83887
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>Robert;
>> > >> Back then, they used "Chrome Yellow" and "Olive Drab",
>however, O.D.
>> > back
>> > >>then was different than today's O.D. so my Military Jeep buddies
>tell
>> me.
>> > >>They also said O.D. had a tendency to fade quickly to an odd
>> > >>tanish-green.......Go to a model shop and look for the plastic
>model
>> paint
>> > >>guides. It is all in there. If your neck of the woods doesn't
>have that
>> > >sort
>> > >>of thing, advise and I will look that stuff up from here. Even
>the trim
>> > >>colors were Federal Colors.........
>> > >>Earl Myers
>> > >>-----Original Message-----
>> > >>From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
>> > >>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> > >>Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 6:55 PM
>> > >>Subject: Re: colors
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>-----Original Message-----
>> > >>>From: Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net>
>> > >>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> > >>>Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 7:01 PM
>> > >>>Subject: Re: colors
>> > >>>
>> > >>>Hi Michael. I've found a airplane that has the color scheme I
>want to
>> > use
>> > >>>on my GN-1. The airplane is the PT-1 "Trusty". Here's a photo
>of it:
>> > >>> http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/early_years/ey11.htm
>> > >>>
>> > >>>Could you provide any info as the the insignia designs and
>sizes?
>> Also,
>> > >is
>> > >>>there is "standard" O.D. and Yellow that should be used?
>> > >>>Thanks!
>> > >>>Robert Hensarling
>> > >>>http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>> > >>>rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>> > >>>Uvalde, Texas
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>Robert!
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>In 1927, the Army went to the O.D./yellow -- the same time
>they went
>> to
>> > >>the
>> > >>>>13 red & white rudder stripes with the the blue stripe (1/3
>the rudder
>> > >>>>width) at the rudder hinge line. When they were all O.D., the
>rudder
>> > >>>>stripes vertical, blue at the rudder hinge.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>My favorite plane with these colors is the Curtiss P-6E from
>the 17th
>> > >>>>Pursuit Sq with the white Snow Owl insignia & claws on the
>wheel
>> pants!
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>Mike C.
>> > >>>>PP, KS
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>----------
>> > >>>>> From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
>> > >>>>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> > >>>>> Subject: colors
>> > >>>>> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 12:54 PM
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >The blue/yellow colors were in effect by 1934-35 -- before
>that
>> they
>> > >>>>were
>> > >>>>> >O.D./ yellow. The yellow wings & tail came about 'cause
>the all
>> > O.D.
>> > >>>>> >planes were too hard to see in peace time.
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >Mike Conkling
>> > >>>>> >Pretty Prairie, KS
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Mike, one last thing, do you know when the O.D./Yellow
>scheme
>> started,
>> > >>>>and
>> > >>>>> if there was a set scheme before it?
>> > >>>>> Robert Hensarling
>> > >>>>> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>> > >>>>> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>> > >>>>> Uvalde, Texas
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
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| From: | Mark Hopkins <mhoppy(at)mailhost.ind.ameritech.net> |
| Subject: | discussion group E-MAIL LETTERS |
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| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: rudder/elev hinges |
Jim,
Thanks for your response. Nice to see that you never had a problem with
those hinges.
I assume that you are the builder of the infamous Pietenpol that was on the
front of Kitplanes a few years ago. It was after reading your article that
I made the decision to build an Aircamper. ( I still have that issue).
Walt Evans
-----Original Message-----
From: GMalley(at)aol.com <GMalley(at)aol.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 8:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder/elev hinges
>I used eyebolts for elevator and rudder hinges. I spent a lot of effort
>making sure that they wouldn't turn and lock up but, because they don't
share
>the same axis, they cannot turn, and, with three on each panel, they don't
>lock up.
>
>Jim Malley
>
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| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
Hi Walt,
You may want to take a fairly close look at your used struts. If they are
of Piper vintage, several have been removed and replaced with new ones due to
internal rusting at the bottom inboard end where the rigging adjustment screws
into. If you are cutting them down and fitting new ends, you will know for
sure anyway.
Good luck and happy landings,
Warren
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>I'm from northern NJ. near Newton ( on the charts)
Hi Walt!
Do you know Bob Schiffel a Piet builder from Sussex? My parents
used to summer at Mtn. Shadows Lake near Newton and I went to Boy Scout
camp as a youngster on Fairview Lake near Stillwater. I've flown in to
Newton and Branchville to visit my folks.
Tom
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| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Re:Used Struts |
Warren,
Thanks for the reply. I was informed by my "mentor" of 78 yrs. of the
problems at the bottom of the struts of alot of older certified planes. The
piet struts are about 7 1/2' and the struts that I got are at least 10', so
it should be no problem. I was wondering if anyone had used that dimension
of streamlined tube.
I don't want my struts snapping like uncooked pasta.
thanks,
walt evans
-----Original Message-----
From: Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 9:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re:Used Struts
>Hi Walt,
> You may want to take a fairly close look at your used struts. If they
are
>of Piper vintage, several have been removed and replaced with new ones due
to
>internal rusting at the bottom inboard end where the rigging adjustment
screws
>into. If you are cutting them down and fitting new ends, you will know for
>sure anyway.
>Good luck and happy landings,
>Warren
>
>
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| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Re: discussion group E-MAIL LETTERS |
Martin gave it to us. He sends all his buddies to us
> Mark Hopkins
>I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GOT MY E-MAIL ADDRESS, BUT I WOULD
APPRECIATE IT IF
>YOU WOULD TAKE MY E-MAIL ADDRESS OUT OF YOUR LIST.
>
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| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Tom,
I've never met him, although my "mentor" friend knows him well( Dick Lawson)
and always insists that we go up to see his Piet.
Right now me and my friends fly ul's out of newton. stop in and see us.
mine is the Fisher 404 in the white fabric hanger on the west side)
Fairview lk. is where they made those horror movies( friday the 13th , I
think)
Where are you from, Tom?
Walt Evans
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas E Bowdler
Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 9:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fw: intro
>>I'm from northern NJ. near Newton ( on the charts)
>Hi Walt!
> Do you know Bob Schiffel a Piet builder from Sussex? My parents
>used to summer at Mtn. Shadows Lake near Newton and I went to Boy Scout
>camp as a youngster on Fairview Lake near Stillwater. I've flown in to
>Newton and Branchville to visit my folks.
>Tom
>
>
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| From: | DonanClara(at)aol.com |
It is my understanding that Mr. Pietenpol had those struts specially made for
him with the 'V' shaped reinforcing for strength and that they were available
from him at that time. To'the best of my knowledge they are no longer being
manufactured. I,m sure that J-3 struts are fine but, as Warren indicated
you,ve got to be careful about used ones. The AD note that required
replacement was for that reason. This is not to say some original Cub struts
couldn't be found without rust but you must be careful. Also watch out for
Fly Market struts. Most I have seen are bent. Some builders more talented
than I may know how to straighten them. As soon as I finish my right wing
(about half done at this point} I should be close to cover on everything. The
one item left for last were the struts. After much thought I have pretty much
decided to go the same route as Gary Price...3/4" X 1- 1/2" rectangular
tubing sandwiched between routed lengths of wood ( I'll use spruce) which is
then trimmed to the streamlined shape. I've never seen any done this way.
Photos of Gary's look a bit bulky but not extremely so. After that, cover
and paint (VOILA ! ) it should be done. ( Hey Mike where do you suppose that
French came from?) Best of luck with your project Walt Don Hicks
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| Subject: | Intro & Question |
Hello all. I'm from southern Ohio and am new to the group. If I make
any major blunders, let me know.
I have been looking at building a Piet but have a couple of
concerns. According to the Flying and Glider Manual, total useful load
is 385 pounds. Since I weigh 250 lbs, this wouldn't leave much weight
for a passenger. How much weight could a Piet safely carry? Also, how
much more room is in the extended fuselage cockpit?
Thank you,
Bruce
Hello all. I'm from southern
Ohio and am
new to the group. If I make any major blunders, let me
know.
I
have been
looking at building a Piet but have a couple of concerns.
According to the
Flying and Glider Manual, total useful load is 385 pounds. Since I weigh
250
lbs, this wouldn't leave much weight for a passenger. How much
weight
could a Piet safely carry? Also, how much more room is in the
extended
fuselage cockpit?
Thank you,
Bruce
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| From: | DonanClara(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Michael Cuy's Video |
Michael.... I recieved your Pietenpol Video yesterday, spent the next 2- 1/2
hours glued to the screen and thought it was great. There's no need to make
any apologies for the videography...none of us ( to my knowledge ) are pro
cameramen, directors or editors. What is important is that it is ALL
Pietenpol. It is particularly useful to those builders just getting
underway with their project. It is more than worth the price just to be
alerted to the pitfalls. As for myself, I wish it had been available when I
began building 4 years ago. Would you believe I experienced just about every
problem you faced ! The flight shots at your home field as well as at
Brodhead were super. Since mine is "A" powered I was particularly interested
in the sight and sound of Pavliga's bird. I think I'll be picking up the pace
a bit on mine. Thanks for great info and information.
Don Hicks
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| From: | Mike Lund <malund(at)sprint.ca> |
Your tubing idea just sparked a thought- How about maging a strut of spruce
or balsa or whatever, then:
#1 running it throught the bandsaw with a fence, or a thin kerf tablesaw
#2 hollow it out on the router table to accept a 1" or 1 1/4" or 1 1/2" (or
whatever the engineering works out to) round tube.
#3 Assemble the whole mess to resemble a real strut. (the Flying and glider
manuals have some good articals on this idea under "streamlining)
It should work as well as streamlined tubing at 1/2 the price and twice the
work.
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| From: | Mark Hopkins <mhoppy(at)mailhost.ind.ameritech.net> |
| Subject: | Re: discussion group E-MAIL LETTERS |
I DON'T KNOW ANY MARTIN SO I DON'T KNOW HOW I AM ONE OF HIS "BUDDIES.
TELL MARTIN TO TAKE ME E-MAIL ADDRESS OUT OF HIS LIST. THANK YOU
Bill Talbert wrote:
>
> Martin gave it to us. He sends all his buddies to us
>
> > Mark Hopkins
> >I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GOT MY E-MAIL ADDRESS, BUT I WOULD
> APPRECIATE IT IF
> >YOU WOULD TAKE MY E-MAIL ADDRESS OUT OF YOUR LIST.
> >
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| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
Mike,
I think that is what garry Price (Yesterdays Wings) did.
His struts look great
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At Sun 'N Fun I met a guy selling vinyl fairings for ultralight struts.
They were made to slip over aluminum struts, but would work just as well for
our purpose. He makes 2 sizes, large and small. The small would just fit
over Gary Price's 3/4 by 1 1/2 tube, without having to fashion wood ones.
Also more aerodynamic. They are white, and paintable. What are opinions
about this solution? Much cheaper than streamline. The company name is
Streamline Fairings
2662 Bay City Terrace
North Port, FL 34286
941-423-3591
Al Swanson
>It is my understanding that Mr. Pietenpol had those struts specially made for
>him with the 'V' shaped reinforcing for strength and that they were available
>from him at that time. To'the best of my knowledge they are no longer being
>manufactured. I,m sure that J-3 struts are fine but, as Warren indicated
>you,ve got to be careful about used ones. The AD note that required
>replacement was for that reason. This is not to say some original Cub struts
>couldn't be found without rust but you must be careful. Also watch out for
>Fly Market struts. Most I have seen are bent. Some builders more talented
>than I may know how to straighten them. As soon as I finish my right wing
>(about half done at this point} I should be close to cover on everything. The
>one item left for last were the struts. After much thought I have pretty much
>decided to go the same route as Gary Price...3/4" X 1- 1/2" rectangular
>tubing sandwiched between routed lengths of wood ( I'll use spruce) which is
>then trimmed to the streamlined shape. I've never seen any done this way.
>Photos of Gary's look a bit bulky but not extremely so. After that, cover
>and paint (VOILA ! ) it should be done. ( Hey Mike where do you suppose that
>French came from?) Best of luck with your project Walt Don Hicks
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
-----Original Message-----
From: Earl Myers
Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 12:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: colors
Earl, this is great, it gives me a good starting point, thanks!
>Robert;
> Here is a start:
>
>CHROME YELLOW FS13538
>INSIGNIA YELLOW FS33538
>OLIVE DRAB FS34088
>INSIGNIA RED FS31136
>INSIGNIA WHITE FS17875
>
>FS means "Federal Standard"....this info is from the Testor's paint charts
>available at that hobby shop. Advise if you need more info!
>Earl Myers
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 3:47 AM
>Subject: Re: colors
>
>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Earl Myers
>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 11:45 PM
>>Subject: Re: colors
>>
>>Thanks all for the help. Looks like I'm searching for either Chrome or
>>insignia yellow, and not quite sure yet on the O.D. There is a model shop
>>in San Antonio, and next time I'm there I'll drop in and look at the
>charts.
>>Once I find the colors I want, are there suggestions as to the source and
>>brand of the paint? The existing paint job on the GN is not too bad (just
>>not the color I want), so I suppose this will need to be prepared somehow
>>with a primer, then the new paint. I haven't a clue as to what brand of
>>paint was originally used in 77 when the ship was built.
>>
>>Earl, you mentioned that the trim colors were Federal Colors. What
exactly
>>does this refer to?
>>Thanks again for the help! I may get Richard to help me put up a before,
>>during, and after photo of the project eventually. Of course later on
>comes
>>the WIRE WHEELS. I've just GOTto have those. Lastly, would a GN-1
qualify
>>for the NX prefix, so as to not need the "experimental" placard, or would
>>this impossible to try and do at this point?
>>
>>Later guys,
>>Robert Hensarling
>>GN-1 N83887
>>
>>
>>>Robert;
>>> Back then, they used "Chrome Yellow" and "Olive Drab", however, O.D.
>back
>>>then was different than today's O.D. so my Military Jeep buddies tell me.
>>>They also said O.D. had a tendency to fade quickly to an odd
>>>tanish-green.......Go to a model shop and look for the plastic model
paint
>>>guides. It is all in there. If your neck of the woods doesn't have that
>>sort
>>>of thing, advise and I will look that stuff up from here. Even the trim
>>>colors were Federal Colors.........
>>>Earl Myers
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
>>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>>Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 6:55 PM
>>>Subject: Re: colors
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net>
>>>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>>>Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 7:01 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: colors
>>>>
>>>>Hi Michael. I've found a airplane that has the color scheme I want to
>use
>>>>on my GN-1. The airplane is the PT-1 "Trusty". Here's a photo of it:
>>>> http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/early_years/ey11.htm
>>>>
>>>>Could you provide any info as the the insignia designs and sizes? Also,
>>is
>>>>there is "standard" O.D. and Yellow that should be used?
>>>>Thanks!
>>>>Robert Hensarling
>>>>http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>>>>rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>>>>Uvalde, Texas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Robert!
>>>>>
>>>>>In 1927, the Army went to the O.D./yellow -- the same time they went to
>>>the
>>>>>13 red & white rudder stripes with the the blue stripe (1/3 the rudder
>>>>>width) at the rudder hinge line. When they were all O.D., the rudder
>>>>>stripes vertical, blue at the rudder hinge.
>>>>>
>>>>>My favorite plane with these colors is the Curtiss P-6E from the 17th
>>>>>Pursuit Sq with the white Snow Owl insignia & claws on the wheel pants!
>>>>>
>>>>>Mike C.
>>>>>PP, KS
>>>>>
>>>>>----------
>>>>>> From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
>>>>>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>>>>> Subject: colors
>>>>>> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 12:54 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >The blue/yellow colors were in effect by 1934-35 -- before that they
>>>>>were
>>>>>> >O.D./ yellow. The yellow wings & tail came about 'cause the all
>O.D.
>>>>>> >planes were too hard to see in peace time.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Mike Conkling
>>>>>> >Pretty Prairie, KS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike, one last thing, do you know when the O.D./Yellow scheme
started,
>>>>>and
>>>>>> if there was a set scheme before it?
>>>>>> Robert Hensarling
>>>>>> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>>>>>> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>>>>>> Uvalde, Texas
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: helmet box latch |
>
> for Mike C.,
> I've seen and envied pictures of your cockpit for along time now. Can you
> tell me where you got that brass, flush mounted ,finger pull latch?
> Thanks
> Walt Evans
Aha ! Why certainly, Walt. The local Woodworker's Store here in Cleve. had
those
finger pull latches in both circular and square shapes. I chose the circular
ones.
Mostly found at refinishing shops, furniture making supply stores, or
woodworking
catalogs. The only finger that works with mine are my pinkeys, but that's ok
w/ me :)
PS- The catch (excuse the pun) to installing those brass pulls in a flush
manner
however can be traced to your purchasing or borrowing the proper size Forstner
bit
to recess the plywood to accept those babies.
for Mike C.,
I've seen and envied pictures of your cockpit for along time now. Can you
tell me where you got that brass, flush mounted ,finger pull latch?
Thanks
Walt Evans
Aha ! Why certainly, Walt. The local Woodworker's Store
here in Cleve. had those
finger pull latches in both circular and square shapes. I chose the
circular ones.
Mostly found at refinishing shops, furniture making supply stores, or
woodworking
catalogs. The only finger that works with mine are my pinkeys, but
that's ok w/ me :)
PS- The catch (excuse the pun) to installing those brass pulls in a flush
manner
however can be traced to your purchasing or borrowing the proper size
Forstner bit
to recess the plywood to accept those babies.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Michael Cuy's Video |
Hello Don !!
Glad to hear you enjoyed the video tape and that you are
now on a more motivated pace/level !
Had I know the construction was mostly behind you I could
have mabye just copied some of my Brodhead stuff for you.
Kim Stricker's video....for 15$ I think advertised on Grant's For Sale/Wanted
section shows tons of good Brodhead flying stuff.
Keep plugging !!
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Michael Cuy's Video |
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov>
Date: Thursday, April 15, 1999 7:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Michael Cuy's Video
What? Huh? Stricker tape? I missed that somehow. I'll go search the for
sale section again!
Robert (good morning Michael C.) Hensarling
>Hello Don !!
>
>Glad to hear you enjoyed the video tape and that you are
>now on a more motivated pace/level !
>Had I know the construction was mostly behind you I could
>have mabye just copied some of my Brodhead stuff for you.
>Kim Stricker's video....for 15$ I think advertised on Grant's For
Sale/Wanted
>section shows tons of good Brodhead flying stuff.
>Keep plugging !!
>
>Mike C.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: rudder/elev hinges |
>Mike,
>I too was stubborn .......
> and I realized
>that, using the dimensions in the plans, I could not install the clevis pins
>with the hinges attached to the elevator and stabilizer.
>a set of "taller" hinges. Did you encounter the same interference problem I
>did? If so, how did you solve it?
Bill- Exactly. I made ALL of my Piet fittings a little longer upon the advice
of
several builders who were ahead of me and had encountered the same promblem(s)
you mention. As drawn, the evel/rudder hinges are really, really tight if not
impossible
to install. I made the mounting 'legs' longer to spread the load over more
surface
area and extended the clevis 'leg' somewhat because I chose to recess these
fittings
into the edges of the wood.
Mike C.
Mike,
I too was stubborn .......
and I realized
that, using the dimensions in the plans, I
could not install the clevis pins
with the hinges attached to the elevator and stabilizer.
a set of taller hinges. Did you encounter the same
interference problem I
did? If so, how did you solve it?
Bill- Exactly. I made ALL of my Piet fittings a little longer
upon the advice of
several builders who were ahead of me and had encountered the same
promblem(s)
you mention. As drawn, the evel/rudder hinges are really,
really tight if not impossible
to install. I made the mounting 'legs' longer to spread the load
over more surface
area and extended the clevis 'leg' somewhat because I chose to
recess these fittings
into the edges of the wood.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
| Subject: | Re: DISCUSSION GROUP |
WHAT???
YOU SUBSCRIBED!!
>I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GOT MY E-MAIL ADDRESS, BUT WOULD YOU PLEASE NOT
>SEND ANYMORE MESSAGES TO MY E-MAIL ADDRESS. THANK YOU
>mhoppy(at)ameritech.net
>
>Ken Hannan wrote:
>>
>> You can buy the complete set of federal standard 595b color chips from
>> http://www.doceng.com/ I think I paid about 50.00$
>>
>> Ken
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Earl Myers
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 10:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: colors
>>
>> > Robert;
>> > Here is a start:
>> >
>> > CHROME YELLOW FS13538
>> > INSIGNIA YELLOW FS33538
>> > OLIVE DRAB FS34088
>> > INSIGNIA RED FS31136
>> > INSIGNIA WHITE FS17875
>> >
>> > FS means "Federal Standard"....this info is from the Testor's paint charts
>> > available at that hobby shop. Advise if you need more info!
>> > Earl Myers
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
>> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> > Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 3:47 AM
>> > Subject: Re: colors
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > >-----Original Message-----
>> > >From: Earl Myers
>> > >To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> > >Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 11:45 PM
>> > >Subject: Re: colors
>> > >
>> > >Thanks all for the help. Looks like I'm searching for either Chrome or
>> > >insignia yellow, and not quite sure yet on the O.D. There is a model
>> shop
>> > >in San Antonio, and next time I'm there I'll drop in and look at the
>> > charts.
>> > >Once I find the colors I want, are there suggestions as to the source
>> and
>> > >brand of the paint? The existing paint job on the GN is not too bad
>> (just
>> > >not the color I want), so I suppose this will need to be prepared somehow
>> > >with a primer, then the new paint. I haven't a clue as to what brand of
>> > >paint was originally used in 77 when the ship was built.
>> > >
>> > >Earl, you mentioned that the trim colors were Federal Colors. What
>> exactly
>> > >does this refer to?
>> > >Thanks again for the help! I may get Richard to help me put up a before,
>> > >during, and after photo of the project eventually. Of course later on
>> > comes
>> > >the WIRE WHEELS. I've just GOTto have those. Lastly, would a GN-1
>> qualify
>> > >for the NX prefix, so as to not need the "experimental" placard, or would
>> > >this impossible to try and do at this point?
>> > >
>> > >Later guys,
>> > >Robert Hensarling
>> > >GN-1 N83887
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>Robert;
>> > >> Back then, they used "Chrome Yellow" and "Olive Drab", however, O.D.
>> > back
>> > >>then was different than today's O.D. so my Military Jeep buddies tell
>> me.
>> > >>They also said O.D. had a tendency to fade quickly to an odd
>> > >>tanish-green.......Go to a model shop and look for the plastic model
>> paint
>> > >>guides. It is all in there. If your neck of the woods doesn't have that
>> > >sort
>> > >>of thing, advise and I will look that stuff up from here. Even the trim
>> > >>colors were Federal Colors.........
>> > >>Earl Myers
>> > >>-----Original Message-----
>> > >>From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
>> > >>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> > >>Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 6:55 PM
>> > >>Subject: Re: colors
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>-----Original Message-----
>> > >>>From: Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net>
>> > >>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> > >>>Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 7:01 PM
>> > >>>Subject: Re: colors
>> > >>>
>> > >>>Hi Michael. I've found a airplane that has the color scheme I want to
>> > use
>> > >>>on my GN-1. The airplane is the PT-1 "Trusty". Here's a photo of it:
>> > >>> http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/early_years/ey11.htm
>> > >>>
>> > >>>Could you provide any info as the the insignia designs and sizes?
>> Also,
>> > >is
>> > >>>there is "standard" O.D. and Yellow that should be used?
>> > >>>Thanks!
>> > >>>Robert Hensarling
>> > >>>http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>> > >>>rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>> > >>>Uvalde, Texas
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>Robert!
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>In 1927, the Army went to the O.D./yellow -- the same time they went
>> to
>> > >>the
>> > >>>>13 red & white rudder stripes with the the blue stripe (1/3 the rudder
>> > >>>>width) at the rudder hinge line. When they were all O.D., the rudder
>> > >>>>stripes vertical, blue at the rudder hinge.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>My favorite plane with these colors is the Curtiss P-6E from the 17th
>> > >>>>Pursuit Sq with the white Snow Owl insignia & claws on the wheel
>> pants!
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>Mike C.
>> > >>>>PP, KS
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>----------
>> > >>>>> From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
>> > >>>>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> > >>>>> Subject: colors
>> > >>>>> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 12:54 PM
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >The blue/yellow colors were in effect by 1934-35 -- before that
>> they
>> > >>>>were
>> > >>>>> >O.D./ yellow. The yellow wings & tail came about 'cause the all
>> > O.D.
>> > >>>>> >planes were too hard to see in peace time.
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >Mike Conkling
>> > >>>>> >Pretty Prairie, KS
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Mike, one last thing, do you know when the O.D./Yellow scheme
>> started,
>> > >>>>and
>> > >>>>> if there was a set scheme before it?
>> > >>>>> Robert Hensarling
>> > >>>>> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>> > >>>>> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>> > >>>>> Uvalde, Texas
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | arkiesacres(at)juno.com |
| Subject: | Re: discussion group E-MAIL LETTERS |
You mean Hoppy is Martins friend?
That figures.
I had a heck of a time getting on the list the first time because you
have to do just the right stuff so I wonder how someone can just kind of
fall into the list without wanting to.
I would help Hoppy but I don't know how to get off the list myself. I
think you have to send 10 dollars to someone for clarical cost..
Gordon
writes:
>Martin gave it to us. He sends all his buddies to us
>
>> Mark Hopkins
>>I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GOT MY E-MAIL ADDRESS, BUT I WOULD
>APPRECIATE IT IF
>>YOU WOULD TAKE MY E-MAIL ADDRESS OUT OF YOUR LIST.
>>
>
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC" |
Message to Steve Eldrige,
The Money order is in the mail. I forgot to give you a note inside the
envelope so I put my return address on a little yellow sticky and shoved it
into the envelope after the flap was closed. be carefule you don't lose it
when opening the letter.
Well, looks like a go for first flight if the weather clears by Sat.
morning.
Domenic/ C-GDCB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | fishin <fishin(at)wwa.com> |
came across an article of interest especially to those just getting
started. it generalizes most all aspects of getting started on the
building of wood& fabric aircraft.
check it out at < www.tval.com/TEAM/bwf.htm>
it's not on Piet building but it relates to it.
regards
JoeC
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Bob Bailey Are you There? |
Reply if you see this Bob.
Steve Eldredge
Steve(at)byu.edu
IT Services
Brigham Young University
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <duprey(at)excite.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet. Hat (First flight) |
> Well, looks like a go for first flight if the weather clears by Sat.
> morning.
>
> Domenic/ C-GDCB
Have Fun Domenic!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: helmet box latch |
I haven't seen the pictures, but you just described the latch I bought for
my Christavia. I got it from Lee Valley, here in Calgary. They sell
specialized tools for woodworking, gardening, etc. The also have a full
line of brass hardware inclufing heavy duty brass latches, extruded brass
hinges, etc. They are both in Canada and the US. Check out:
http://www.leevalley.com for more info.
Ken
On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, walter evans wrote:
> for Mike C., I've seen and envied pictures of your cockpit for along
> time now. Can you tell me where you got that brass, flush mounted
> ,finger pull latch? Thanks Walt Evans
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Hannan <khannan(at)gte.net> |
| Subject: | Re: helmet box latch |
Try this one www.rocker.com
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Cuy
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 5:34 AM
Subject: Re: helmet box latch
for Mike C.,
I've seen and envied pictures of your cockpit for along time now. Can
you tell me where you got that brass, flush mounted ,finger pull latch?
Thanks
Walt Evans
Aha ! Why certainly, Walt. The local Woodworker's Store here in Cleve.
had those
finger pull latches in both circular and square shapes. I chose the
circular ones.
Mostly found at refinishing shops, furniture making supply stores, or
woodworking
catalogs. The only finger that works with mine are my pinkeys, but that's
ok w/ me :)
PS- The catch (excuse the pun) to installing those brass pulls in a flush
manner
however can be traced to your purchasing or borrowing the proper size
Forstner bit
to recess the plywood to accept those babies.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Hannan <khannan(at)gte.net> |
| Subject: | Re: helmet box latch |
OOPS www.rockler.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Hannan
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: helmet box latch
Try this one www.rocker.com
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Cuy
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 5:34 AM
Subject: Re: helmet box latch
for Mike C.,
I've seen and envied pictures of your cockpit for along time now. Can
you tell me where you got that brass, flush mounted ,finger pull latch?
Thanks
Walt Evans
Aha ! Why certainly, Walt. The local Woodworker's Store here in Cleve.
had those
finger pull latches in both circular and square shapes. I chose the
circular ones.
Mostly found at refinishing shops, furniture making supply stores, or
woodworking
catalogs. The only finger that works with mine are my pinkeys, but
that's ok w/ me :)
PS- The catch (excuse the pun) to installing those brass pulls in a
flush manner
however can be traced to your purchasing or borrowing the proper size
Forstner bit
to recess the plywood to accept those babies.
OOPS
href"http://www.rockler.com">www.rockler.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Lund <malund(at)sprint.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Leading edge |
Thanks Mike- I've now got about 50' of railing that will do the job
perfectly-at $0.35/ ft for seconds and thirds. It will take a bit of
scarfing, but in the end its an even easier idea than setting up the shaper
for multiple cuts
Mike
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Fw: Delivery Notification: Delivery has failed |
-----Original Message-----
From: steve(at)byu.edu
Date: Friday, April 16, 1999 12:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Delivery Notification: Delivery has failed
>Have you tried sending to piet(at)byu.edu. Try that and let me know if it
>fails.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Steve Eldredge
>IT Services
>Brigham Young University
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 9:46 AM
>> To: Steve Eldrege
>> Subject: Fw: Delivery Notification: Delivery has failed
>>
>>
>> Steve;
>> What am I doing wrong here? Was sent to the byu.edu but it
>> is telling me it
>> went to ucsnet.byu
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: PMDF e-Mail Interconnect
>> To: allaire(at)raex.com ; postmaster(at)email1.byu.edu
>>
>> Date: Friday, April 16, 1999 11:33 AM
>> Subject: Delivery Notification: Delivery has failed
>>
>>
>> >This report relates to a message you sent with the following
>> header fields:
>> >
>> > Message-id: <014101be881f$78acb220$4d382acc@fayqxodp>
>> > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:40:32 -0400
>> > From: Earl Myers
>> > To: Piet
>> > Subject: Fw: rudder/elev hinges
>> >
>> >Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients:
>> >
>> > Recipient address: piet(at)ucsnet.byu.edu
>> > Original address: piet(at)byu.edu
>> > Reason: Illegal host/domain name found
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
Steve,
Also got a couple of these notices when making a reply to the
group. Re-entered and went thru. Seems to be an intermittent miss.
Warren
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Failure Notice |
There has been trouble the last couple of days on the server that the piet
list is on and I expect that it may be some messages have hit it during a
down time. I'll watch it.
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Warren Shoun
> Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 10:48 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Failure Notice
>
>
> Steve,
> Also got a couple of these notices when making a reply to the
> group. Re-entered and went thru. Seems to be an intermittent miss.
> Warren
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DonanClara(at)aol.com |
Al Swanson wrote: At Sun 'N Fun I met a guy selling vinyl fairings.......
there a couple of years ago....before I was considering anything other than
conventional struts. I will contact him for prices and additional data. As I
recall they were a bit pricey. The ends could be filled and shaped without
much trouble with balsa. My main concern would be whether they could take
the abuse when someone used the struts to push the airplane. The weight
should be less than the wood fairing over the 3/4" X 1-1/2" rectangular
tubing. I'll be able to make a better assessment after I get the total info.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug Sheets <doug_sheets(at)hotmail.com> |
Group:
I plotted the full size CAD drawing that I downloaded from Richards
web page and added a couple of scales to confirm if the paper was
stable (and my plotter was calibrated). We use high quality bond paper
and also have vellum and mylar, but I was more concerned with the
validity of the curve fitting to the points provided on the plans.
Each CAD program interprets where to place the curve based on the
"type" of curve fitting chosen. In this case, the generated line for
the rib "fit" the first 5 points on the top and bottom, but then
strayed dramatically as the distance between the points became
greater.
I assume that Mr. Pietenpol used a French Curve to generate the
airfoil and picked some convenient points to get his measurements. To
make a "true" Pietenpol, I guess you need to use the full scale rib
layout that is included with the plans. What I can't confirm is if the
CAD drawing will alter the flight characteristics. In reality, the
only reason I can see to use the CAD is if you have a CNC router that
you want to program to make a high-tech rib fixture.(I saw one, and it
was neat)
I guess the old adage is right, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
Doug
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
| Subject: | Re: Vinyl Fairings |
>Al Swanson wrote: At Sun 'N Fun I met a guy selling vinyl fairings.......
>there a couple of years ago....before I was considering anything other than
>conventional struts. I will contact him for prices and additional data. As I
>recall they were a bit pricey. The ends could be filled and shaped without
>much trouble with balsa. My main concern would be whether they could take
>the abuse when someone used the struts to push the airplane. The weight
>should be less than the wood fairing over the 3/4" X 1-1/2" rectangular
>tubing. I'll be able to make a better assessment after I get the total info.
>
>
A friend here made the fairings of rigid foam (the yellow that comes in
spray), gave the form with a sanding device he made of wood and cover them
with plain cloth with general propouse resin for Fiber glass, almost no
weight and they are hard enough.
Hope this works for you, make a test in a piece of scrap tube, to see the
results first.
Saludos
Gary Gower
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Sayre, William G" <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com> |
Just for the chuckle.
When I read this in the Doug Sheets post;
......I assume that Mr. Pietenpol used a French Curve to generate the airfoil.........
I remembered making some part (can't remember which) that had a curve and I started
looking for something the right size to trace around to draw the curve.
After some experimenting I found that a three pound coffee can was the exact size
I needed. I thought to myself, I'll bet that's exactly what Bernard did!
Those cans haven't changed much over time. I really enjoy and admire the genius
of simplicity in his design.
Bill Sayre
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
>Just for the chuckle.
> When I read this in the Doug Sheets post;
>>......I assume that Mr. Pietenpol used a French Curve to generate the
>airfoil.........
>
>I remembered making some part (can't remember which).......I found that a
three pound coffee can.....
Bill S.
Bill !! You sound like me !! I used medicine bottles, the ID and OD of duct
tape or elect tape..etc.
And by the way speaking of French curves, somewhere I read where Pietepol's
airfoil is an Eiffel 9
or 7 or some such thang.
Mike C.
Just for the chuckle.
When I read
this in the Doug Sheets post;
......I assume that Mr. Pietenpol used a French Curve to generate
the
airfoil.........
I remembered making some part (can't remember which).......I found
that a three pound coffee can.....
Bill S.
Bill !! You sound like me !! I used medicine bottles, the ID and
OD of duct tape or elect tape..etc.
And by the way speaking of French curves, somewhere I read where
Pietepol's airfoil is an Eiffel 9
or 7 or some such thang.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib CAD Dwgs |
Gary;
Isn't there an assumption in there somewhere that the rib
drawing in the plans is accurate? I don't know about yours,
but mine is on paper. Not sure if you are doing an overlay
or not
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib CAD Dwgs |
Bill,
If you take a look at the rib template and the drawing on
the plans the bottom camber looks different. The rear
part of the undercamber is much more pronounced on the
plans than it is on the template. The difference in
where the rib jig blocks go is very very small. I think
that the difference is about as much as where the french
curve was held.
Dave
>Gary;
>
>Isn't there an assumption in there somewhere that the rib
>drawing in the plans is accurate? I don't know about yours,
>but mine is on paper. Not sure if you are doing an overlay
>or not
>
>Bill
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Wayne and Kathy <ktokarz(at)incentre.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wings back on... |
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
>
> Nearing the first flights of the spring. Smoke system installed and
> new 800x6 tires. Soon life will have meaning again. PS. don't tell
> duane that I have smoke... Heh heh won't he be surprised....
>
> BTW ATF doesn't smoke up all that well from my ground tests. Vegi
> oil is next.
>
>
> Steve Eldredge
> Steve(at)byu.edu
> IT Services
> Brigham Young University
>
Hi Steve ;
You may want to try diesel fuel , the heating oil type is fine and for
a little extra you can add a few oz. of creasote. This is a chemical
used to treat and preserve wood or in cement plants for a release
agent. I also have just put my wings on and will soon be airborne.
Wayne Tokarz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Wayne and Kathy <ktokarz(at)incentre.net> |
Craig & Shari Hanson wrote:
>
> JUST A SHORT NOTE TO SEE IF THIS IS WORKING.
>
> GREETINGS FROM HOT AND HUMID NORTH DAKOTA
>
> Craig Hanson
Hi Craig,
Sorry about the delay. Things have been busy here. Last week I brought
the piet out to the airport and now have it assembled. I'm waiting on my
machinist to complete the new brake drums and this weekend I hope to
rewrap my bungees do a final closeout inspection. I'm worse than a
woman, I'm actually feeling geddiy! It's going to be an awesome summer.
I'll send pictures just as sone as they are ready.
Buy for now
Wayne
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Wayne and Kathy <ktokarz(at)incentre.net> |
Craig & Shari Hanson wrote:
>
> JUST A SHORT NOTE TO SEE IF THIS IS WORKING.
>
> GREETINGS FROM HOT AND HUMID NORTH DAKOTA
>
> Craig Hanson
Wrong Craig sorry !
Wayne tokarz
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Vinyl Fairings |
Good point about holding up when pushing the airplane. I wonder if using
expandable urethane foam would make them more rigid and resistant to
external abuse?
Al Swanson
>Al Swanson wrote: At Sun 'N Fun I met a guy selling vinyl fairings.......
>there a couple of years ago....before I was considering anything other than
>conventional struts. I will contact him for prices and additional data. As I
>recall they were a bit pricey. The ends could be filled and shaped without
>much trouble with balsa. My main concern would be whether they could take
>the abuse when someone used the struts to push the airplane. The weight
>should be less than the wood fairing over the 3/4" X 1-1/2" rectangular
>tubing. I'll be able to make a better assessment after I get the total info.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Lund <malund(at)sprint.ca> |
An even easier way to draw the curves (for the airfoils at least) is to
draw a grid based on the table of ordinates, drill a 1/16" hole and
insert a 1" finishing nail at each point, then use a rib stick held
against the inside of the nails as a guide for the pencil. Another trick
I used on my rib jig is to make it out of a piece of melmane shelving-
glue dont stick to it ;-)
An even easier way to draw the
curves (for the
airfoils at least) is to draw a grid based on the table of ordinates,
drill a
1/16 hole and insert a 1 finishing nail at each point, then
use a
rib stick held against the inside of the nails as a guide for the
pencil.
Another trick I used on my rib jig is to make it out of a piece of
melmane
shelving- glue dont stick to it ;-)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Joe & Marian Beck <flyretina(at)feist.com> |
| Subject: | Re: the linguist (MM) |
To what species is that Montague guy referring? I matriculated from
Tulane Medical School and I honestly don't recall any human structure
termed an "asshold." Perhaps I was off reading Sport Aviation in the
lounge the day it was covered in gross anatomy.
CJB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Lund <malund(at)sprint.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: the linguist (MM) |
I was assuming that it was a place, not an actual body part. An asshold
would most likely be the place where the asses are held, therefore the term
"asshold".
I'm basing this on personal experience rather than education, because belive
me, I go there, and work with them, every day ;-)
"Which way did thet go? how fast were they going ? I must find them for I
am their leader"
Mike
The Chief local Ass
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DonanClara(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Vinyl Fairings |
Many thanx for the tip Gary. I;ll gather some material together and give it
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: the linguist (MM) |
Mike Lund wrote:
>
> I was assuming that it was a place, not an actual body part. An asshold
> would most likely be the place where the asses are held, therefore the term
> "asshold".
> I'm basing this on personal experience rather than education, because belive
> me, I go there, and work with them, every day ;-)
>
> "Which way did thet go? how fast were they going ? I must find them for I
> am their leader"
>
> Mike
> The Chief local Ass
I thought every local Police station and Jail had a cell just for
locking up Asses, & that this cell was known as the Asshold.
John Duprey
Depuity Ass
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Lund <malund(at)sprint.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: the linguist (MM) |
Damn, John- I guess I'm not the only one who has my name over one of those
(Actually, up here in Canada we put asses in parliment, not Jail)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "R. Mueller" <rmueller7(at)earthlink.net> |
> I used medicine bottles, the ID and OD of duct tape or elect tape..etc.
> And by the way speaking of French curves, somewhere I read where
>Pietepol's airfoil is an Eiffel 9
> or 7 or some such thang.
Darn close...Piet states in the '32 Flying + Glider Manual "...Don Finke, a
neighbor who flies as though he were born in a plane, and myself sketched
it {the curve} out one night out of our heads....I am told by experts that
the curve is practically an Eiffel 36 with ordinates increased 25% all
along the chord. Westy {Farmer} has all the dope at his fingertips, so he
must be right......Eiffel was a good engineer too, y'know. The Eiffel 36
was the curve used by the Curtis Jennies."
Ryan M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "R. Mueller" <rmueller7(at)earthlink.net> |
Is there any reasonably priced source for Model A engines,
cores/parts/whole, that would be suitable for rebuild/conversion? Haven't
seen any, and was just wondering if there was one. BTW, I am in N. IL (I
work at Poplar Grove/formerly Belvidere Airport), so local stuff would be
helpful, if any. Thanks,
Ryan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Model A engines |
R. Mueller wrote:
>
> Is there any reasonably priced source for Model A engines,
> cores/parts/whole, that would be suitable for rebuild/conversion? Haven't
> seen any, and was just wondering if there was one. BTW, I am in N. IL (I
> work at Poplar Grove/formerly Belvidere Airport), so local stuff would be
> helpful, if any. Thanks,
>
> Ryan
Ryan: get in touch with you local chapters of the National Ford A clubs,
these guys can help you find quality stuff in your area.
John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | fishin <fishin(at)wwa.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Model A engines |
Hi Ryan===a year and a half ago I was in touch with a local fellow here in
Zion, Ill who had a barn filled with "A" blocks..can't remember off hand who
it was but I'll look through my notes this week-end to see if I can locate
his number for you.
Grant Mc's comment that there is an "A" block within a few miles of everyone
is true..I located these through a local radio swap-shop program ..A call to
the local Model A club should get the same results.
regards
JoeC
"R. Mueller" wrote:
> Is there any reasonably priced source for Model A engines,
> cores/parts/whole, that would be suitable for rebuild/conversion? Haven't
> seen any, and was just wondering if there was one. BTW, I am in N. IL (I
> work at Poplar Grove/formerly Belvidere Airport), so local stuff would be
> helpful, if any. Thanks,
>
> Ryan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DonanClara(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Model A engines |
R. Mueller.....the secret is to just ask questions....you'll be surprised how
fast you will find engines. I spotted a model A car in a local parade and
asked the owner. He gave me a name who gave me another, who gave me another.
I ended up in a barn where there were sixteen blocks on the dirt floor. I
got one for $50 and used it for core value on a rebuilt engine from Snyder's
Antique Autos. Grant MacLaren was right...they're everywhere. Good
Luck.......Don Hicks
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Model A engines |
Ryan;
I can supply you with numerous sources for Model A parts, all over the
country. As you have read here, these Ford A blocks are everywhere....two I
have were hanger door stops....! You have to get to know the Ford A Club
people....they know where they are. You can buy everything for a Ford A and
it's engine except for the blocks, not counting the Donovan Racing aluminum
items.......do some noseing around. I have to put together a list of
suppliers for Richard DeCostas web site. In the meantime, let me know when
you are ready to get catalogs.
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: R. Mueller <rmueller7(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Saturday, April 17, 1999 3:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A engines
>Is there any reasonably priced source for Model A engines,
>cores/parts/whole, that would be suitable for rebuild/conversion? Haven't
>seen any, and was just wondering if there was one. BTW, I am in N. IL (I
>work at Poplar Grove/formerly Belvidere Airport), so local stuff would be
>helpful, if any. Thanks,
>
>Ryan
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Model A engines |
All of my Ford parts were purchased from Snyders here in Ohio. They are an
hour away from me, however, they are encouragingly aware of Pietenpols and
one of their managers is getting ready to build an Aircamper....very
knowledgeable people!
Earl Myers
PS: Snyders offers a polished brass FORD script logo that is used for the
Model T radiators.....it looks great on a Piet radiator!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: DonanClara(at)aol.com <DonanClara(at)aol.com>
Date: Saturday, April 17, 1999 11:26 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model A engines
>R. Mueller.....the secret is to just ask questions....you'll be surprised
how
>fast you will find engines. I spotted a model A car in a local parade and
>asked the owner. He gave me a name who gave me another, who gave me
another.
>I ended up in a barn where there were sixteen blocks on the dirt floor. I
>got one for $50 and used it for core value on a rebuilt engine from
Snyder's
>Antique Autos. Grant MacLaren was right...they're everywhere. Good
>Luck.......Don Hicks
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
>Just for the chuckle.
> When I read this in the Doug Sheets post;
>
>......I assume that Mr. Pietenpol used a French Curve to generate the
airfoil.........
>
>I remembered making some part (can't remember which) that had a curve and I
started looking for something the right size to trace around to draw the
curve. After some experimenting I found that a three pound coffee can was
the exact size I needed. I thought to myself, I'll bet that's exactly what
Bernard did! Those cans haven't changed much over time. I really enjoy and
admire the genius of simplicity in his design.
>
>Bill Sayre
>
Another great designer of that time, that I admire for his simplicity
through the years is Henry Mignet (designer of the Flying Flea).
Is amazing how those men thought how to solve thing without the specially
designed "aproved" part.
I have his HM-380 two seater, Is going to be my next project (I hope) and I
have studied (and Admired) his plans for several months...
A great book about his life, theory and planes, is "H. Mignet and his Flying
Fleas". Very interesting to read. This English authors mention that he is
the European father of Homebuilt, and of course mention Mr. Pietenpol as
the American pioneer.
I also think that is more educating and rewarding being a Homebuilder than a
"kit" builder. Well both are pilots and "brothers".
Saludos
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | fishin <fishin(at)wwa.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Model A engines |
within a 2 hour drive of you is Antique Engine Rebuilding, 4835 Louise St,
Skokie, Ill 60077,,,847-674-6716.
don't know if these are current $s, (they were a year ago) but the $ for a "A"
short block rebuilt was $1195. add $125 for core if you don't have one...add
$123 for normal Pietenpol modification, (shave pulleys, drill & tap cam, new
oiling routes).
I was about to have my A block rebuilt here when I came across the A65 I'm going
to use.
If you have a block they will pressure test it for you at no cost.
JoeC
fishin wrote:
> Hi Ryan===a year and a half ago I was in touch with a local fellow here in
> Zion, Ill who had a barn filled with "A" blocks..can't remember off hand who
> it was but I'll look through my notes this week-end to see if I can locate
> his number for you.
> Grant Mc's comment that there is an "A" block within a few miles of everyone
> is true..I located these through a local radio swap-shop program ..A call to
> the local Model A club should get the same results.
> regards
> JoeC
>
> "R. Mueller" wrote:
>
> > Is there any reasonably priced source for Model A engines,
> > cores/parts/whole, that would be suitable for rebuild/conversion? Haven't
> > seen any, and was just wondering if there was one. BTW, I am in N. IL (I
> > work at Poplar Grove/formerly Belvidere Airport), so local stuff would be
> > helpful, if any. Thanks,
> >
> > Ryan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
Finally, I got to fly my GN-1 today. The last time I flew it was the
evening that Mike and Jay Teves brought the plane from Chanute Ks, to Garner
Field, Tx. The winds have been terrible all week, until this evening! I
got to the airport early this morning, and pulled the GN out of the old
military hanger. It was already windy and gusty, so I decided to get some
practice taxiing around. This lasted for about 10 minutes, and I had to
quite, it got to cold. (Don't forget that I'm a Texas, and anything less
than 70 degrees means coats and gloves to us here). Actually, it was in the
37 degree range. Since I didn't want to do my first solo in that kind of
wind and temp, I decided to change the oil and clean the engine some. I
spend several hours playing around with cleaning things up, then decided to
drive out to my woodworking shop and mess around out there until 6:00 or so
this evening. When I got back to the Hanger, the winds were light and
variable, just perfect for a GN solo. After a through preflight, I started
the little cont 65, and hopped in the rear seat. I put my goggles and
headset on over my baseball cap, taxied out to the threshold, and checked
the mags and did my pre takeoff preflight. All seemed fine. I lined up on
the runway (in Uvalde the runway is pretty big, probably 100 ft x 5,100 ft.)
and throttled up. First thing that caught me a little off guard was the
engine torque and p-factor. The little GN headed off to the left, but I
quickly corrrected it and as the tail came up, I was pointed right smack
down the center or the runway. I didn't look at the Airspeed, but the stick
came back to nuetual, and I applied a little back pressure, and up I went.
I was surprised at the rate of climb with one person. This is where it got
a tad exciting. I was enjoying the takeoff, and had glanced at the
instruments, then made the mistake of looking skyward for a split second.
Remember the baseball cap earlier? The bill caught the breeze, and yanked
both the cap and my headset off of my head, and it was dangling behing me
about 4 feet, being held by the headset cord, which was across the bridge of
my nose at that point. It snapped loose, and the first thing that came to
mind was that it was probably caught up in the elevator or something. I
glanced back, but saw no hat or headset. Now, do you guys have any idea how
noisy a cont. 65 is with no ear protection? Well, I calmly turned upwind,
then down wind, did my base and final approach. The landing was really
nice. I touched down on the mains at about 40 I guess, and held the tail
up as long as I could, then let the tailwheel settle. (these little planes
are really sensitive with all three wheels on the ground at high speed). I
taxied back to the hanger, where Carrie (my wife) was standing, wondering
what had fallen out of the plane. She said that at about 3 or 4 hundred
feet, she say something fall out, but cuoldn't tell what it was. We drove
to the approximate spot, and found the cap, but didn't find the headset. My
good friend Herb Carper, who had been flying his Stearman, went out later
and found all the pieces. Looks like I can get the headset back together
again. When Carrie and I got back to the hander after the search, we found
my Dad, sitting in the front seat of the GN, trying it on for size. We were
at the same hanger he flew from in 42, in a PT19. It was good to see him
back in a vintage type of airplane. He's anxious to fly with me after I get
the feel of the plane a little better. I took the GN up again, and did
about 8 landings (Dad had driven to the end of the runway in his pickup, to
"grade" the landings, he said I passed). I had a blast. The wind was calm
and cool, and that little plane and I got along just fine. What a neat day!
Firends, family, plus a interesting story to remember it with.
Tomorrow at daybreak, I'll pull the GN back out of the old hanger, and head
off again to the skies. This time I'll make a little cross country, and
visit some friends who have a strip about 20 miles South of Uvalde. The
only thing that will be better than all of this, is when I finally get to
meet some of you, hopefully at Brodhead. Thanks for reading my little
story. I enjoyed sharing it!!
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
Robert, very well written. Congratulations. Here near
Houston it was calm all day, I figured you ran the tank
dry. (our low was only 42=B0). Good luck on the weather
tomorrow
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
IT DOESN'T GET ANY BETTER THAN THAT, NO?
-----Original Message-----
From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
Date: Saturday, April 17, 1999 10:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: solo flight
>Finally, I got to fly my GN-1 today. The last time I flew it was the
>evening that Mike and Jay Teves brought the plane from Chanute Ks, to
Garner
>Field, Tx. The winds have been terrible all week, until this evening! I
>got to the airport early this morning, and pulled the GN out of the old
>military hanger. It was already windy and gusty, so I decided to get some
>practice taxiing around. This lasted for about 10 minutes, and I had to
>quite, it got to cold. (Don't forget that I'm a Texas, and anything less
>than 70 degrees means coats and gloves to us here). Actually, it was in
the
>37 degree range. Since I didn't want to do my first solo in that kind of
>wind and temp, I decided to change the oil and clean the engine some. I
>spend several hours playing around with cleaning things up, then decided to
>drive out to my woodworking shop and mess around out there until 6:00 or so
>this evening. When I got back to the Hanger, the winds were light and
>variable, just perfect for a GN solo. After a through preflight, I started
>the little cont 65, and hopped in the rear seat. I put my goggles and
>headset on over my baseball cap, taxied out to the threshold, and checked
>the mags and did my pre takeoff preflight. All seemed fine. I lined up on
>the runway (in Uvalde the runway is pretty big, probably 100 ft x 5,100
ft.)
>and throttled up. First thing that caught me a little off guard was the
>engine torque and p-factor. The little GN headed off to the left, but I
>quickly corrrected it and as the tail came up, I was pointed right smack
>down the center or the runway. I didn't look at the Airspeed, but the
stick
>came back to nuetual, and I applied a little back pressure, and up I went.
>I was surprised at the rate of climb with one person. This is where it got
>a tad exciting. I was enjoying the takeoff, and had glanced at the
>instruments, then made the mistake of looking skyward for a split second.
>Remember the baseball cap earlier? The bill caught the breeze, and yanked
>both the cap and my headset off of my head, and it was dangling behing me
>about 4 feet, being held by the headset cord, which was across the bridge
of
>my nose at that point. It snapped loose, and the first thing that came to
>mind was that it was probably caught up in the elevator or something. I
>glanced back, but saw no hat or headset. Now, do you guys have any idea
how
>noisy a cont. 65 is with no ear protection? Well, I calmly turned upwind,
>then down wind, did my base and final approach. The landing was really
>nice. I touched down on the mains at about 40 I guess, and held the tail
>up as long as I could, then let the tailwheel settle. (these little planes
>are really sensitive with all three wheels on the ground at high speed). I
>taxied back to the hanger, where Carrie (my wife) was standing, wondering
>what had fallen out of the plane. She said that at about 3 or 4 hundred
>feet, she say something fall out, but cuoldn't tell what it was. We drove
>to the approximate spot, and found the cap, but didn't find the headset.
My
>good friend Herb Carper, who had been flying his Stearman, went out later
>and found all the pieces. Looks like I can get the headset back together
>again. When Carrie and I got back to the hander after the search, we found
>my Dad, sitting in the front seat of the GN, trying it on for size. We
were
>at the same hanger he flew from in 42, in a PT19. It was good to see him
>back in a vintage type of airplane. He's anxious to fly with me after I
get
>the feel of the plane a little better. I took the GN up again, and did
>about 8 landings (Dad had driven to the end of the runway in his pickup, to
>"grade" the landings, he said I passed). I had a blast. The wind was calm
>and cool, and that little plane and I got along just fine. What a neat
day!
>Firends, family, plus a interesting story to remember it with.
>
>Tomorrow at daybreak, I'll pull the GN back out of the old hanger, and head
>off again to the skies. This time I'll make a little cross country, and
>visit some friends who have a strip about 20 miles South of Uvalde. The
>only thing that will be better than all of this, is when I finally get to
>meet some of you, hopefully at Brodhead. Thanks for reading my little
>story. I enjoyed sharing it!!
>
>Robert Hensarling
>http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>Uvalde, Texas
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
-----Original Message-----
From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
Date: Saturday, April 17, 1999 8:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: solo flight
>Finally, I got to fly my GN-1 today
Robert,
Congradulations! It is an event youl'll remember for a long time.
I was out walking with my wife this evening and looking at the patch of
ground that I often imagine as my own grass strip when I heard the sound of
a small plane. I turned to see an aircraft moving very quickly and in the
evening light I wasn't sure what it was until it banked and flew past again.
I recognized my friend Jim in his brand new RV-8. (The kit arrived in
November '98)smooth fast and quiet. No Piet, but a real treat to see a new
plane in the air. (Jim worked long days to meet his goal of finishing his
plane before spring seeding.)
It is possible guys, we can finish our dream and move on to enjoying it.
John Mc
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| From: | John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com> |
Robert Congrats!! Sounds like a blast. I think this tale would be good
on the Aircamper Org. under "flying stories".
robert hensarling wrote:
>
> Finally, I got to fly my GN-1 today. The last time I flew it was the
> evening that Mike and Jay Teves brought the plane from Chanute Ks, to Garner
> Field, Tx. The winds have been terrible all week, until this evening! I
> got to the airport early this morning, and pulled the GN out of the old
> military hanger. It was already windy and gusty, so I decided to get some
> practice taxiing around. This lasted for about 10 minutes, and I had to
> quite, it got to cold. (Don't forget that I'm a Texas, and anything less
> than 70 degrees means coats and gloves to us here). Actually, it was in the
> 37 degree range. Since I didn't want to do my first solo in that kind of
> wind and temp, I decided to change the oil and clean the engine some. I
> spend several hours playing around with cleaning things up, then decided to
> drive out to my woodworking shop and mess around out there until 6:00 or so
> this evening. When I got back to the Hanger, the winds were light and
> variable, just perfect for a GN solo. After a through preflight, I started
> the little cont 65, and hopped in the rear seat. I put my goggles and
> headset on over my baseball cap, taxied out to the threshold, and checked
> the mags and did my pre takeoff preflight. All seemed fine. I lined up on
> the runway (in Uvalde the runway is pretty big, probably 100 ft x 5,100 ft.)
> and throttled up. First thing that caught me a little off guard was the
> engine torque and p-factor. The little GN headed off to the left, but I
> quickly corrrected it and as the tail came up, I was pointed right smack
> down the center or the runway. I didn't look at the Airspeed, but the stick
> came back to nuetual, and I applied a little back pressure, and up I went.
> I was surprised at the rate of climb with one person. This is where it got
> a tad exciting. I was enjoying the takeoff, and had glanced at the
> instruments, then made the mistake of looking skyward for a split second.
> Remember the baseball cap earlier? The bill caught the breeze, and yanked
> both the cap and my headset off of my head, and it was dangling behing me
> about 4 feet, being held by the headset cord, which was across the bridge of
> my nose at that point. It snapped loose, and the first thing that came to
> mind was that it was probably caught up in the elevator or something. I
> glanced back, but saw no hat or headset. Now, do you guys have any idea how
> noisy a cont. 65 is with no ear protection? Well, I calmly turned upwind,
> then down wind, did my base and final approach. The landing was really
> nice. I touched down on the mains at about 40 I guess, and held the tail
> up as long as I could, then let the tailwheel settle. (these little planes
> are really sensitive with all three wheels on the ground at high speed). I
> taxied back to the hanger, where Carrie (my wife) was standing, wondering
> what had fallen out of the plane. She said that at about 3 or 4 hundred
> feet, she say something fall out, but cuoldn't tell what it was. We drove
> to the approximate spot, and found the cap, but didn't find the headset. My
> good friend Herb Carper, who had been flying his Stearman, went out later
> and found all the pieces. Looks like I can get the headset back together
> again. When Carrie and I got back to the hander after the search, we found
> my Dad, sitting in the front seat of the GN, trying it on for size. We were
> at the same hanger he flew from in 42, in a PT19. It was good to see him
> back in a vintage type of airplane. He's anxious to fly with me after I get
> the feel of the plane a little better. I took the GN up again, and did
> about 8 landings (Dad had driven to the end of the runway in his pickup, to
> "grade" the landings, he said I passed). I had a blast. The wind was calm
> and cool, and that little plane and I got along just fine. What a neat day!
> Firends, family, plus a interesting story to remember it with.
>
> Tomorrow at daybreak, I'll pull the GN back out of the old hanger, and head
> off again to the skies. This time I'll make a little cross country, and
> visit some friends who have a strip about 20 miles South of Uvalde. The
> only thing that will be better than all of this, is when I finally get to
> meet some of you, hopefully at Brodhead. Thanks for reading my little
> story. I enjoyed sharing it!!
>
> Robert Hensarling
> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> Uvalde, Texas
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| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
Here in the Ozarks there's a kind of tree thats grows
around old trash dumps, seems the tree produced
a cottoney seed that was used for packing
for certain items from Japan, the packing
insulation contained seeds that grew into
trees. The wood is very light in weight and
my friend has dried some in a kiln, I plan
to use this wood to stream line my struts
the strengh to weight seems pretty good.
My guess is the wood weights about
1/2 of spruce.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Lund <malund(at)sprint.ca>
Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 8:39 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fw: intro
>Your tubing idea just sparked a thought- How about maging a strut of spruce
>or balsa or whatever, then:
>
>#1 running it throught the bandsaw with a fence, or a thin kerf tablesaw
>#2 hollow it out on the router table to accept a 1" or 1 1/4" or 1 1/2" (or
>whatever the engineering works out to) round tube.
>#3 Assemble the whole mess to resemble a real strut. (the Flying and glider
>manuals have some good articals on this idea under "streamlining)
>
>It should work as well as streamlined tubing at 1/2 the price and twice the
>work.
>
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| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Vinyl Fairings |
Yes a friend of mine who is also a member
of chapter 775 used construction foam on
the trailing edge of the wing strut, the plane
which is his own design has a 2,8 litre GMC
with a reduction drive costing him 400 bucks.
The plane crusies at 130 mph. The struts look
good and perform well, I'll ask him
the details the next EAA meeting, I'm
currently trying to get him to make drawing's
and part list for his reduction drive.
This guy is almost as clever as Mr. Pietenpol.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx>
Date: Friday, April 16, 1999 1:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vinyl Fairings
>>Al Swanson wrote: At Sun 'N Fun I met a guy selling vinyl fairings.......
>> Thanx Al for the info on above. He may be the same guy I saw
>>there a couple of years ago....before I was considering anything other
than
>>conventional struts. I will contact him for prices and additional data.
As I
>>recall they were a bit pricey. The ends could be filled and shaped without
>>much trouble with balsa. My main concern would be whether they could take
>>the abuse when someone used the struts to push the airplane. The weight
>>should be less than the wood fairing over the 3/4" X 1-1/2" rectangular
>>tubing. I'll be able to make a better assessment after I get the total
info.
>>I'll let the gang know what I find out. Thanks again Al
>> Don Hicks
>>
>>
>A friend here made the fairings of rigid foam (the yellow that comes in
>spray), gave the form with a sanding device he made of wood and cover them
>with plain cloth with general propouse resin for Fiber glass, almost no
>weight and they are hard enough.
>
>Hope this works for you, make a test in a piece of scrap tube, to see the
>results first.
>
>Saludos
>
>Gary Gower
>
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| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
I'd like to get ideas from the list about the wire "sight guage". My GN-1
doesn't have one. The fuel tank in behind the engine, and the fuel cap has
the tube in it so that I can use the wire guage. A friend suggested
aluminum rod and some sort of styrofoam floater, however I'm wondering is
this (the rod) might be to light, and wind pressure will not allow the
float fall while flying. Don't know about using foam either, seems like it
would get eaten up. Someone else mentioned something about thermos bottle
cork, and coating it with epoxy, and using a stainless steel rod.
Any ideas?
Robert Hensarling GN-1 N83887
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
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| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
Robert
If you look at fuel sending units from automotive tanks, (early half
tons with in cab tanks are easy to get at) you will find some that use brass
floats made like little barrels. The wire float arm is usualy about a foot
long and straight. It adapts easily to a vertical indicator. You will still
need to have the vent tube.
John Mc
-----Original Message-----
From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
Date: Sunday, April 18, 1999 12:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel gauge
>I'd like to get ideas from the list about the wire "sight guage". My GN-1
>doesn't have one. The fuel tank in behind the engine, and the fuel cap has
>the tube in it so that I can use the wire guage. A friend suggested
>aluminum rod and some sort of styrofoam floater, however I'm wondering is
>this (the rod) might be to light, and wind pressure will not allow the
>float fall while flying. Don't know about using foam either, seems like it
>would get eaten up. Someone else mentioned something about thermos bottle
>cork, and coating it with epoxy, and using a stainless steel rod.
>
>Any ideas?
>Robert Hensarling GN-1 N83887
>http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>Uvalde, Texas
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Robert;
This is the same as Piper Cubs use, Ercoups and a host of others as well. I
need this for my Scout too but haven't had luck in finding one yet. Cork
with a stainless rod or plain steel would work fine. How it would work with
autogas/alcohol.......? The gas sloshing in the tank negates any wind effect
of pushing the wire tight and the tube it slides in is also the vent
tube..........
Earl
-----Original Message-----
From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
Date: Sunday, April 18, 1999 2:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel gauge
>I'd like to get ideas from the list about the wire "sight guage". My GN-1
>doesn't have one. The fuel tank in behind the engine, and the fuel cap has
>the tube in it so that I can use the wire guage. A friend suggested
>aluminum rod and some sort of styrofoam floater, however I'm wondering is
>this (the rod) might be to light, and wind pressure will not allow the
>float fall while flying. Don't know about using foam either, seems like it
>would get eaten up. Someone else mentioned something about thermos bottle
>cork, and coating it with epoxy, and using a stainless steel rod.
>
>Any ideas?
>Robert Hensarling GN-1 N83887
>http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>Uvalde, Texas
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Fay <jefay(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Rudder and elevator hinges |
Walt,
Read your messages last week on the Piet net
about hinges. I've seen some before on Piets
where the builder took pieces of square or
rectangular tubing ( I assumed it was aluminum )
and made hinges from these. They used two different
sizes that would nestle inside each other.
Wish I could draw a diagram on this thing to explain
it better, but if you use your imagination I think
you can figure it out. They cut away the top part of
the tubing to make the hinges.
I am going to try it. I ordered two pieces of
C-channel from Wicks. It should arrive tomorrow--
so I am not speaking from a successful experience,
just what I intend to try. One piece is 1.25" O.D.
with 1/8" wall and the other is 1" O.D., also with
1/8" wall. (Aluminum--6061-T6, I think)
I'll let you know my impressions as soon as I get a
chance to play with it. (I have never made anything
out of metal before.)
John in Peoria
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | LanhamOS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re:Model A Parts |
Yes, the Model A Clubs are good sources. There is a supplier in Colfax,
Iowa for those in our neck of the woods ( E.Nebraska). You could also get a
copy of Hemmings Motor News. This is the bible for cars, both recenet and
antique. In the section on Fords, there were three ads in the Feb. issue, one
had aluminum heads, plus lots of people doing the babetting etc.
Keep em flying.
Dr. O Lanham, Bellevue, Ne
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dean Dayton <deandayton(at)hotmail.com> |
I just ran across this we page. It describes the contsruction of a
fuel tank complete with floating gauge.
www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/1071/tank.htm
Hope it helps
Dean Dayton - deandayton(at)hotmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder and elevator hinges |
John,
Couldn't you do the same thing using the same size channels? One edge
would lap over inside and the other outside. By flipping one hinge the
endplay would be taken care of, maintaining position of the control surface.
J Mc
-----Original Message-----
From: John Fay <jefay(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, April 18, 1999 3:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder and elevator hinges
>Walt,
>
>Read your messages last week on the Piet net
>about hinges. I've seen some before on Piets
>where the builder took pieces of square or
>rectangular tubing ( I assumed it was aluminum )
>and made hinges from these. They used two different
>sizes that would nestle inside each other.
>Wish I could draw a diagram on this thing to explain
>it better, but if you use your imagination I think
>you can figure it out. They cut away the top part of
> the tubing to make the hinges.
>
>I am going to try it. I ordered two pieces of
>C-channel from Wicks. It should arrive tomorrow--
>so I am not speaking from a successful experience,
>just what I intend to try. One piece is 1.25" O.D.
>with 1/8" wall and the other is 1" O.D., also with
>1/8" wall. (Aluminum--6061-T6, I think)
>
>I'll let you know my impressions as soon as I get a
>chance to play with it. (I have never made anything
>out of metal before.)
>
>
>John in Peoria
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
for Tom Bowdler and everyone,
A few days ago you mentioned Bob Schiffel. I just got off the phone
with my " mentor" Dick Lawson. Dick built Bob's corvair engine. This
is unique because it has a reduction drive on it that Dick Lawson had
fabricated with his own aluminum castings, machined to his own specs.
He has two of these on planes.
Dick had mentioned tonite that , when he made some parts , he made an
extra. He has a prop hub for corvair, and a cutdown flywheel hsg. if
anyone is interested.
Dick is a special guy, he is in his 70's, sharp as a tack, is a
toolmaker by trade, licenced AP. Even has corvair engine stuff around.
He can even fabricate special parts,without cleaning out your wallet.
His first love is airplanes.
If anyone is interested I can give phone # , or even address.
walt evans
for Tom Bowdler and
everyone,
A few days ago you mentioned
Bob
Schiffel. I just got off the phone with my mentor
Dick
Lawson. Dick built Bob's corvair engine. This is unique
because it
has a reduction drive on it that Dick Lawson had fabricated with his own
aluminum castings, machined to his own specs. He has two of these
on
planes.
Dick had mentioned tonite that ,
when he made
some parts , he made an extra. He has a prop hub for corvair, and
a
cutdown flywheel hsg. if anyone is interested.
Dick is a special guy, he is in his
70's, sharp
as a tack, is a toolmaker by trade, licenced AP. Even has corvair
engine
stuff around. He can even fabricate special parts,without cleaning
out
your wallet. His first love is airplanes.
If anyone is interested I can give
phone # , or
even address.
walt
evans
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Robert,
When I built my Fisher 404 I wanted a fuel guage like a cub. Theysupplied
a white PVC cap.
So I drilled a hole in the cap for a tube( I used a brass tube from an old
ball point pen, an older one, all new ones are plastic) Put a thermos cork
on the end of thin welding rod ( the thin stuff 1/16 I think). put the cap
back on with no fuel, and let it fall to bottom of tank. Thencut off the
rod about 1/4" above tube, and bend tip at 90 deg. Works great, just floats
and spins around while you fly along. And you don't have to wonder.....one
moving part.
walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Earl Myers
Date: Sunday, April 18, 1999 4:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel gauge
>Robert;
> This is the same as Piper Cubs use, Ercoups and a host of others as well.
I
>need this for my Scout too but haven't had luck in finding one yet. Cork
>with a stainless rod or plain steel would work fine. How it would work with
>autogas/alcohol.......? The gas sloshing in the tank negates any wind
effect
>of pushing the wire tight and the tube it slides in is also the vent
>tube..........
>Earl
>-----Original Message-----
>From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Sunday, April 18, 1999 2:07 PM
>Subject: fuel gauge
>
>
>>I'd like to get ideas from the list about the wire "sight guage". My GN-1
>>doesn't have one. The fuel tank in behind the engine, and the fuel cap
has
>>the tube in it so that I can use the wire guage. A friend suggested
>>aluminum rod and some sort of styrofoam floater, however I'm wondering is
>>this (the rod) might be to light, and wind pressure will not allow the
>>float fall while flying. Don't know about using foam either, seems like
it
>>would get eaten up. Someone else mentioned something about thermos bottle
>>cork, and coating it with epoxy, and using a stainless steel rod.
>>
>>Any ideas?
>>Robert Hensarling GN-1 N83887
>>http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>>rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>>Uvalde, Texas
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mboynton(at)excite.com |
| Subject: | Re: corvair stuff |
Hi Walt,
Could you get me Dick Lawson's phone number? I'm interested in the corvair
conversion and Rinker redrive system. Thanks.
Mark Boynton
Gilbert, AZ
> for Tom Bowdler and everyone,
> A few days ago you mentioned Bob Schiffel. I just got off the phone
> with my " mentor" Dick Lawson. Dick built Bob's corvair engine. This
> is unique because it has a reduction drive on it that Dick Lawson had
> fabricated with his own aluminum castings, machined to his own specs.
> He has two of these on planes.
> Dick had mentioned tonite that , when he made some parts , he made an
> extra. He has a prop hub for corvair, and a cutdown flywheel hsg. if
> anyone is interested.
> Dick is a special guy, he is in his 70's, sharp as a tack, is a
> toolmaker by trade, licenced AP. Even has corvair engine stuff around.
=
> He can even fabricate special parts,without cleaning out your wallet.
> His first love is airplanes.
> If anyone is interested I can give phone # , or even address.
> walt evans
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC" |
To all,
First flight of C-GDCB on 17th April, 1999 at 09:45AM. at the Brampton
Airport.
Performed 2 circuits. without insidence. The prop. however did not unload. I
had the same rpm at full throttle as I achieved static.
All concensus is that it's not breathing properly. This is easy enough 6to
fix.
Another Piet. in the air,
Domenic Bellissimo
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: first flight |
Congratulations Domenic! Wonderful feeling isn't it!
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 8:35 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: first flight
>
>
>
>
> To all,
>
> First flight of C-GDCB on 17th April, 1999 at 09:45AM. at the Brampton
> Airport.
> Performed 2 circuits. without insidence. The prop. however
> did not unload. I
> had the same rpm at full throttle as I achieved static.
> All concensus is that it's not breathing properly. This is
> easy enough 6to
> fix.
> Another Piet. in the air,
> Domenic Bellissimo
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: first flight |
Bravo, Domenic!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Rudder and elevator hinges |
Exactly what I did. In addition to the advantages you mention John, you
also have twice the bearing points.
Stevee
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> John McNarry
> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 1999 7:10 PM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Rudder and elevator hinges
>
>
> John,
> Couldn't you do the same thing using the same size
> channels? One edge
> would lap over inside and the other outside. By flipping one hinge the
> endplay would be taken care of, maintaining position of the
> control surface.
>
> J Mc
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Fay <jefay(at)yahoo.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Sunday, April 18, 1999 3:24 PM
> Subject: Rudder and elevator hinges
>
>
> >Walt,
> >
> >Read your messages last week on the Piet net
> >about hinges. I've seen some before on Piets
> >where the builder took pieces of square or
> >rectangular tubing ( I assumed it was aluminum )
> >and made hinges from these. They used two different
> >sizes that would nestle inside each other.
> >Wish I could draw a diagram on this thing to explain
> >it better, but if you use your imagination I think
> >you can figure it out. They cut away the top part of
> > the tubing to make the hinges.
> >
> >I am going to try it. I ordered two pieces of
> >C-channel from Wicks. It should arrive tomorrow--
> >so I am not speaking from a successful experience,
> >just what I intend to try. One piece is 1.25" O.D.
> >with 1/8" wall and the other is 1" O.D., also with
> >1/8" wall. (Aluminum--6061-T6, I think)
> >
> >I'll let you know my impressions as soon as I get a
> >chance to play with it. (I have never made anything
> >out of metal before.)
> >
> >
> >John in Peoria
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: first flight |
>Another Piet. in the air,
>Domenic Bellissimo
Congratulations Dom !!!! Fly off that time
and join us in Wisconsin this summer !!!
Mike C.
Another Piet. in the air,
Domenic Bellissimo
Congratulations Dom !!!! Fly off that time
and join us in Wisconsin this summer !!!
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Wings back on... |
Oh how sweet it is to get back up in the air. If I had come back to work
this morning without having gone flying this weekend, reading about Dom's
first flight and Roberts new plane flights, it would have driven me to get
gone to the airport! It is going to be great. Duane and I went up
formation for over an hour and I gave him a burst of smoke. You should have
seen him lite up. He thought I was going down! I had told him that I
wanted to do a couple touch and goes before we headed to to sod farm. He
joined up with me after a round or to, and just as he formed up I hit the
smoke, hesitated and peeled off back toward the airport. He was right
behind me and sweating for me until I turned it off and straightened out.
We flew around west mountain and smoked the fishermen on Utah lake. Landed
at our favorite 1600' sod farm between the wheel lines. The grass had been
fresh cut and cast up shallow green clipping roosters as we blasted off.
Can't wait to go again.
Stevee
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Wayne and Kathy
> Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 5:24 PM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Wings back on...
>
>
> steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> >
> > Nearing the first flights of the spring. Smoke system installed and
> > new 800x6 tires. Soon life will have meaning again. PS.
> don't tell
> > duane that I have smoke... Heh heh won't he be surprised....
> >
> > BTW ATF doesn't smoke up all that well from my ground tests. Vegi
> > oil is next.
> >
> >
> > Steve Eldredge
> > Steve(at)byu.edu
> > IT Services
> > Brigham Young University
> >
>
>
> Hi Steve ;
> You may want to try diesel fuel , the heating oil type is
> fine and for
> a little extra you can add a few oz. of creasote. This is a chemical
> used to treat and preserve wood or in cement plants for a release
> agent. I also have just put my wings on and will soon be airborne.
>
> Wayne Tokarz
>
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>
>Date: 04/17/99 19:08
>From: allaire%raex.com@Internet
>Subject: Re: Model A engines
>NRRQ
>Comments:
>Comments: Originally To: "Pietenpol Discussion" Ryan;
> I can supply you with numerous sources for Model A parts, all over
the
>country. As you have read here, these Ford A blocks are everywhere..=
..two I
>have were hanger door stops....! You have to get to know the Ford A
Club
>people....they know where they are. You can buy everything for a For=
d A and
>it's engine except for the blocks, not counting the Donovan Racing a=
luminum
>items.......do some noseing around. I have to put together a list of
>suppliers for Richard DeCostas web site. In the meantime, let me kno=
w when
>you are ready to get catalogs.
>Earl Myers
>-----Original Message-----
>From: R. Mueller <rmueller7(at)earthlink.net>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Saturday, April 17, 1999 3:11 AM
>Subject: Model A engines
>
>
>>Is there any reasonably priced source for Model A engines,
>>cores/parts/whole, that would be suitable for rebuild/conversion? H=
aven't
>>seen any, and was just wondering if there was one. BTW, I am in N.
IL (I
>>work at Poplar Grove/formerly Belvidere Airport), so local stuff wo=
uld be
>>helpful, if any. Thanks,
>>
>>Ryan
>>
>>
>
>
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>Date: 04/17/99 19:13
>From: allaire%raex.com@Internet
>Subject: Re: Model A engines
>NRRQ
>Comments:
>Comments: Originally To: "Pietenpol Discussion" All of=
my
Ford
>parts were purchased from Snyders here in Ohio. They are an
>hour away from me, however, they are encouragingly aware of Pietenpo=
ls and
>one of their managers is getting ready to build an Aircamper....very
>knowledgeable people!
>Earl Myers
>
>PS: Snyders offers a polished brass FORD script logo that is used fo=
r the
>Model T radiators.....it looks great on a Piet radiator!!!
>-----Original Message-----
>From: DonanClara(at)aol.com <DonanClara(at)aol.com>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Saturday, April 17, 1999 11:26 AM
>Subject: Re: Model A engines
>
>
>>R. Mueller.....the secret is to just ask questions....you'll be sur=
prised
>how
>>fast you will find engines. I spotted a model A car in a local par=
ade and
>>asked the owner. He gave me a name who gave me another, who gave me
>another.
>>I ended up in a barn where there were sixteen blocks on the dirt fl=
oor. I
>>got one for $50 and used it for core value on a rebuilt engine fro=
m
>Snyder's
>>Antique Autos. Grant MacLaren was right...they're everywhere. Good
>>Luck.......Don Hicks
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
So Steve, besides putting Duane W. under instant IFR conditions
with your newly installed smoke system, (he he he) what fluid did
you find that worked better than others ?? I'm curious about
using a light mineral oil now that I found out what the real McCoy is
made from. (Texaco Canoupus No. 13 Airshow smoke oil)
Mike C.
PS- I take it that Duane won't sit around and NOT install himself the
same setup, eh ? My motto: smoke, be smoked, or step aside.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Sayre, William G" <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com> |
"The grass had been fresh cut and cast up shallow green clipping roosters as we
blasted off."
Doesn't that smell great!!!! :-)
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Smoken STeveE |
You guys have me scheming and scamming on how to put in a small
header tank just for this...sounds like just too much fun not to do.
Kind of like "if you can't play with the big dogs, better stay on the
porch".
Warren
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CARDIN Philippe BGP-DDS |
(Non Receipt Notification Requested) (IPM Return Requested)
Hello,
who can give me the e-mail of the builder of G-BUCO ?
thanks
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Smoken STeveE |
I guess I should finish that story. I was using ATF for most of the
morning. It worked ok. you could see it from the ground but wasn't as
dense as I would have hoped. I am not getting any build up on the struts
however and hope that my 2 1/16" holes for the inlet will be adequate. I
tried vegitable oil next and it was even less dense, but it had the plesant
side effect of smelling like fresh stir fry or french fries. Yum. Made me
realize that I had missed lunch and that I really could use some food. My
brother said it looked like heavy exhaust. Duane was right over to the
hanger after we landed looking for the details, Me guess is that we are
gonna be smoken fools soon. I have heard from some of the old timers that
diesel fuel/Oil (?) is what they used to use. I may try that or just buy
the Canopus Oil. Mike, didn't you say it was about $4 per gallon? If so
that is really about the same price as anything but used motor oil. I may
just go with that. I am up to trying anything I can get my hands on though.
How about mineral oil? Is this just a hardware store item? ( make sure you
don't get confused and put mineral spirits in!!!)
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Michael Cuy
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 9:55 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Smoken STeveE
>
>
> So Steve, besides putting Duane W. under instant IFR conditions
> with your newly installed smoke system, (he he he) what fluid did
> you find that worked better than others ?? I'm curious about
> using a light mineral oil now that I found out what the real McCoy is
> made from. (Texaco Canoupus No. 13 Airshow smoke oil)
> Mike C.
>
> PS- I take it that Duane won't sit around and NOT install himself the
> same setup, eh ? My motto: smoke, be smoked, or step aside.
>
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| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
Cardin,
Go to
http://users.aol.com/BPANews/www.html
then scroll down to near the bottom, click on the British Flag and you
will find a couple of e-mail address that will get you to where you want
to go. Good Luck.
Warren
CARDIN Philippe BGP-DDS wrote:
> Hello,
>
> who can give me the e-mail of the builder of G-BUCO ?
>
> thanks
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Smoken STeveE |
I also found out that CANOPUS is the new brand name for CORVUS oil. (Still
can't say canOPUS without thinking of that silly little penguin) for you
Berk Brethed fans.
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Michael Cuy
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 9:55 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Smoken STeveE
>
>
> So Steve, besides putting Duane W. under instant IFR conditions
> with your newly installed smoke system, (he he he) what fluid did
> you find that worked better than others ?? I'm curious about
> using a light mineral oil now that I found out what the real McCoy is
> made from. (Texaco Canoupus No. 13 Airshow smoke oil)
> Mike C.
>
> PS- I take it that Duane won't sit around and NOT install himself the
> same setup, eh ? My motto: smoke, be smoked, or step aside.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Smoken STeveE |
Has anybody tried Automatic Transmission fluid? That stuff would sure put
out the smoke when the seal leaked tranny oil on the exhaust pipe of my old
Chevy.
W-----
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> I guess I should finish that story. I was using ATF for most of the
> morning. It worked ok. you could see it from the ground but wasn't as
> dense as I would have hoped. I am not getting any build up on the struts
> however and hope that my 2 1/16" holes for the inlet will be adequate. I
> tried vegitable oil next and it was even less dense, but it had the plesant
> side effect of smelling like fresh stir fry or french fries. Yum. Made me
> realize that I had missed lunch and that I really could use some food. My
> brother said it looked like heavy exhaust. Duane was right over to the
> hanger after we landed looking for the details, Me guess is that we are
> gonna be smoken fools soon. I have heard from some of the old timers that
> diesel fuel/Oil (?) is what they used to use. I may try that or just buy
> the Canopus Oil. Mike, didn't you say it was about $4 per gallon? If so
> that is really about the same price as anything but used motor oil. I may
> just go with that. I am up to trying anything I can get my hands on though.
> How about mineral oil? Is this just a hardware store item? ( make sure you
> don't get confused and put mineral spirits in!!!)
>
> Steve Eldredge
> IT Services
> Brigham Young University
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Michael Cuy
> > Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 9:55 AM
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: Smoken STeveE
> >
> >
> > So Steve, besides putting Duane W. under instant IFR conditions
> > with your newly installed smoke system, (he he he) what fluid did
> > you find that worked better than others ?? I'm curious about
> > using a light mineral oil now that I found out what the real McCoy is
> > made from. (Texaco Canoupus No. 13 Airshow smoke oil)
> > Mike C.
> >
> > PS- I take it that Duane won't sit around and NOT install himself the
> > same setup, eh ? My motto: smoke, be smoked, or step aside.
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Smoken STeveE |
Sorry guys, I guess I must have bumped my head this morning. ATF in Steve's
earlier note is Auto Tran Fluid...right?
Warren
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> I also found out that CANOPUS is the new brand name for CORVUS oil. (Still
> can't say canOPUS without thinking of that silly little penguin) for you
> Berk Brethed fans.
>
> Steve Eldredge
> IT Services
> Brigham Young University
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Michael Cuy
> > Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 9:55 AM
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: Smoken STeveE
> >
> >
> > So Steve, besides putting Duane W. under instant IFR conditions
> > with your newly installed smoke system, (he he he) what fluid did
> > you find that worked better than others ?? I'm curious about
> > using a light mineral oil now that I found out what the real McCoy is
> > made from. (Texaco Canoupus No. 13 Airshow smoke oil)
> > Mike C.
> >
> > PS- I take it that Duane won't sit around and NOT install himself the
> > same setup, eh ? My motto: smoke, be smoked, or step aside.
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Smoken STeveE |
Right! (ATF=Auto Trans Fluid) sorry for the confusion.
YOur comment however, makes me wonder if I might have better luck with a
longer exhaust pipe and/or smaller holes. I am going to get some mineral
oil and see if there is much difference though before getting mechanical
again.
SE
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Warren Shoun
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 10:49 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Smoken STeveE
>
>
> Sorry guys, I guess I must have bumped my head this morning.
> ATF in Steve's
> earlier note is Auto Tran Fluid...right?
> Warren
>
> steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
>
> > I also found out that CANOPUS is the new brand name for
> CORVUS oil. (Still
> > can't say canOPUS without thinking of that silly little
> penguin) for you
> > Berk Brethed fans.
> >
> > Steve Eldredge
> > IT Services
> > Brigham Young University
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Maiser(at)adena.byu.edu
> > Michael Cuy
> > Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 9:55 AM
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: Smoken STeveE
> >
> >
> > So Steve, besides putting Duane W. under instant IFR conditions
> > with your newly installed smoke system, (he he he) what fluid did
> > you find that worked better than others ?? I'm curious about
> > using a light mineral oil now that I found out what the real McCoy is
> > made from. (Texaco Canoupus No. 13 Airshow smoke oil)
> > Mike C.
> >
> > PS- I take it that Duane won't sit around and NOT install himself the
> > same setup, eh ? My motto: smoke, be smoked, or step aside.
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | RE: Wings back on... |
So, let me get this strait, you have no electric system, but you do have
the luxury of a smoke system?!? ;-)
You should check with Dick Starks and the gang to see what they use in
thier Neiports for smokin'. With the way he writes, I suspect that it may
be Canabus, not Canopus ;-). Thier web page is at
http://www.kcdawnpatrol.org/ and theyt seem to be able to produce quite a
but of smoke with the little VW engines.
Ken.
On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> Oh how sweet it is to get back up in the air. If I had come back to work
> this morning without having gone flying this weekend, reading about Dom's
> first flight and Roberts new plane flights, it would have driven me to get
> gone to the airport! It is going to be great. Duane and I went up
> formation for over an hour and I gave him a burst of smoke. You should have
> seen him lite up. He thought I was going down! I had told him that I
> wanted to do a couple touch and goes before we headed to to sod farm. He
> joined up with me after a round or to, and just as he formed up I hit the
> smoke, hesitated and peeled off back toward the airport. He was right
> behind me and sweating for me until I turned it off and straightened out.
> We flew around west mountain and smoked the fishermen on Utah lake. Landed
> at our favorite 1600' sod farm between the wheel lines. The grass had been
> fresh cut and cast up shallow green clipping roosters as we blasted off.
> Can't wait to go again.
>
> Stevee
>
> Steve Eldredge
> IT Services
> Brigham Young University
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Wayne and Kathy
> > Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 5:24 PM
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: Re: Wings back on...
> >
> >
> > steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> > >
> > > Nearing the first flights of the spring. Smoke system installed and
> > > new 800x6 tires. Soon life will have meaning again. PS.
> > don't tell
> > > duane that I have smoke... Heh heh won't he be surprised....
> > >
> > > BTW ATF doesn't smoke up all that well from my ground tests. Vegi
> > > oil is next.
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve Eldredge
> > > Steve(at)byu.edu
> > > IT Services
> > > Brigham Young University
> > >
> >
> >
> > Hi Steve ;
> > You may want to try diesel fuel , the heating oil type is
> > fine and for
> > a little extra you can add a few oz. of creasote. This is a chemical
> > used to treat and preserve wood or in cement plants for a release
> > agent. I also have just put my wings on and will soon be airborne.
> >
> > Wayne Tokarz
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Wings back on... |
Isn't it cool! No electrics and smoke! Borrowed the idea from Mike Cuy in
using a manual pump up insecticide spray bottle. Just fill, pump to
pressurize and connect. Very simple very beautiful. (also very economical!)
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Behalf Of Ken
> Beanlands
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 11:09 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: RE: Wings back on...
>
>
> So, let me get this strait, you have no electric system, but
> you do have
> the luxury of a smoke system?!? ;-)
>
> You should check with Dick Starks and the gang to see what they use in
> thier Neiports for smokin'. With the way he writes, I suspect
> that it may
> be Canabus, not Canopus ;-). Thier web page is at
> http://www.kcdawnpatrol.org/ and theyt seem to be able to
> produce quite a
> but of smoke with the little VW engines.
>
> Ken.
>
> On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
>
> > Oh how sweet it is to get back up in the air. If I had
> come back to work
> > this morning without having gone flying this weekend,
> reading about Dom's
> > first flight and Roberts new plane flights, it would have
> driven me to get
> > gone to the airport! It is going to be great. Duane and I went up
> > formation for over an hour and I gave him a burst of smoke.
> You should have
> > seen him lite up. He thought I was going down! I had
> told him that I
> > wanted to do a couple touch and goes before we headed to to
> sod farm. He
> > joined up with me after a round or to, and just as he
> formed up I hit the
> > smoke, hesitated and peeled off back toward the airport.
> He was right
> > behind me and sweating for me until I turned it off and
> straightened out.
> > We flew around west mountain and smoked the fishermen on
> Utah lake. Landed
> > at our favorite 1600' sod farm between the wheel lines.
> The grass had been
> > fresh cut and cast up shallow green clipping roosters as we
> blasted off.
> > Can't wait to go again.
> >
> > Stevee
> >
> > Steve Eldredge
> > IT Services
> > Brigham Young University
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Maiser(at)adena.byu.edu
> > Wayne and Kathy
> > Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 5:24 PM
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: Re: Wings back on...
> >
> >
> > steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> > >
> > > Nearing the first flights of the spring. Smoke system installed and
> > > new 800x6 tires. Soon life will have meaning again. PS.
> > don't tell
> > > duane that I have smoke... Heh heh won't he be surprised....
> > >
> > > BTW ATF doesn't smoke up all that well from my ground tests. Vegi
> > > oil is next.
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve Eldredge
> > > Steve(at)byu.edu
> > > IT Services
> > > Brigham Young University
> > >
> >
> >
> > Hi Steve ;
> > You may want to try diesel fuel , the heating oil type is
> > fine and for
> > a little extra you can add a few oz. of creasote. This is a chemical
> > used to treat and preserve wood or in cement plants for a release
> > agent. I also have just put my wings on and will soon be airborne.
> >
> > Wayne Tokarz
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC" |
| Subject: | BRUSSEL'S oNT. PIETENPOL FLY-IN |
To All,
Announcing this years' Pietenpol picnic held in Brussel's Ontario, Canada. I
think this is our tenth Anniversary.
Date: June 19th, 1999 . The rain date is Sunday June 20th. Camping
available. Tjhe field is in the north east part of town. Barbeque lunch
served (After the flying of course). Hope to see many of you this year at
Brussels. This is Jim Armstrong's field. Has built and owned a pietenpol for
25 years. He's working on another one he purchased from his son. Frank
Pavliga if you are a part of this discusion group, hope you get this
message. Other's nearby in Ohio, Michigan and Neww York Mark you calanders
and come up to visit us. The exchange is very much in your favour.
Regards,
Domenic
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Dick Lawsons phone # |
for all of you who wanted Dick Lawson's phone #
973-383-7821
this is in northern N.J.
I just got off the phone with him, and he said he would be glad to help
where he can.
walt
for all of you who wanted Dick
Lawson's phone
#
973-383-7821
this is in northern
N.J.
I just got off the phone with
him, and he
said he would be glad to help where he can.
walt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: aileron hinge |
Earl,
Thanks for the aileron hinge drawing, as the Chinese
say one picture is worth a thousand words.
Just recieved your drawing in the mail today
and am looking forward to building.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
Well written Robert. I printed your story and showed it to my wife and kids.
They got a kick out of it. Especially since they knew the airplane. I told my
wife I should have bought that Piet from Mike but she didn't think so. I was
surprised about the engine torque and p-factor also in your GN-1. I thought
after much looking and reading that it maybe better corrected with a re-rigging.
Get some pictures and post them on your site. If I can find them I'll email you
some pictures of your GN-1 with me and my kids in Emporia, KS at a fly in.
I also know what your talking about with you cap. I lost one at Oshkosh in a
Piet. And about six years ago I was flying a Kolb ultralite I had at the time.
I was at cruise at about 300 ft agl, when I turned my head to look down and back
at something. Just then the air got under my glasses and pulled them off my
face and out from under my helmet. Luckily, one ear piece caught in the edge of
the helmet long enough for me to quickly grab them. I don't think I want to try
to land with out my glasses. That same day I went and bought a rubber cord to
hold glasses on and also a face shield cover for my helmet.
Good flying !
Greg Yotz
Jealous and grounded....
robert hensarling wrote:
> Finally, I got to fly my GN-1 today. The last time I flew it was the
> evening that Mike and Jay Teves brought the plane from Chanute Ks, to Garner
> Field, Tx. The winds have been terrible all week, until this evening! I
> got to the airport early this morning, and pulled the GN out of the old
> military hanger. It was already windy and gusty, so I decided to get some
> practice taxiing around. This lasted for about 10 minutes, and I had to
> quite, it got to cold. (Don't forget that I'm a Texas, and anything less
> than 70 degrees means coats and gloves to us here). Actually, it was in the
> 37 degree range. Since I didn't want to do my first solo in that kind of
> wind and temp, I decided to change the oil and clean the engine some. I
> spend several hours playing around with cleaning things up, then decided to
> drive out to my woodworking shop and mess around out there until 6:00 or so
> this evening. When I got back to the Hanger, the winds were light and
> variable, just perfect for a GN solo. After a through preflight, I started
> the little cont 65, and hopped in the rear seat. I put my goggles and
> headset on over my baseball cap, taxied out to the threshold, and checked
> the mags and did my pre takeoff preflight. All seemed fine. I lined up on
> the runway (in Uvalde the runway is pretty big, probably 100 ft x 5,100 ft.)
> and throttled up. First thing that caught me a little off guard was the
> engine torque and p-factor. The little GN headed off to the left, but I
> quickly corrrected it and as the tail came up, I was pointed right smack
> down the center or the runway. I didn't look at the Airspeed, but the stick
> came back to nuetual, and I applied a little back pressure, and up I went.
> I was surprised at the rate of climb with one person. This is where it got
> a tad exciting. I was enjoying the takeoff, and had glanced at the
> instruments, then made the mistake of looking skyward for a split second.
> Remember the baseball cap earlier? The bill caught the breeze, and yanked
> both the cap and my headset off of my head, and it was dangling behing me
> about 4 feet, being held by the headset cord, which was across the bridge of
> my nose at that point. It snapped loose, and the first thing that came to
> mind was that it was probably caught up in the elevator or something. I
> glanced back, but saw no hat or headset. Now, do you guys have any idea how
> noisy a cont. 65 is with no ear protection? Well, I calmly turned upwind,
> then down wind, did my base and final approach. The landing was really
> nice. I touched down on the mains at about 40 I guess, and held the tail
> up as long as I could, then let the tailwheel settle. (these little planes
> are really sensitive with all three wheels on the ground at high speed). I
> taxied back to the hanger, where Carrie (my wife) was standing, wondering
> what had fallen out of the plane. She said that at about 3 or 4 hundred
> feet, she say something fall out, but cuoldn't tell what it was. We drove
> to the approximate spot, and found the cap, but didn't find the headset. My
> good friend Herb Carper, who had been flying his Stearman, went out later
> and found all the pieces. Looks like I can get the headset back together
> again. When Carrie and I got back to the hander after the search, we found
> my Dad, sitting in the front seat of the GN, trying it on for size. We were
> at the same hanger he flew from in 42, in a PT19. It was good to see him
> back in a vintage type of airplane. He's anxious to fly with me after I get
> the feel of the plane a little better. I took the GN up again, and did
> about 8 landings (Dad had driven to the end of the runway in his pickup, to
> "grade" the landings, he said I passed). I had a blast. The wind was calm
> and cool, and that little plane and I got along just fine. What a neat day!
> Firends, family, plus a interesting story to remember it with.
>
> Tomorrow at daybreak, I'll pull the GN back out of the old hanger, and head
> off again to the skies. This time I'll make a little cross country, and
> visit some friends who have a strip about 20 miles South of Uvalde. The
> only thing that will be better than all of this, is when I finally get to
> meet some of you, hopefully at Brodhead. Thanks for reading my little
> story. I enjoyed sharing it!!
>
> Robert Hensarling
> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> Uvalde, Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Brusilow <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net> |
<>
Hey. I've been there too. A pair of plastic shop glasses ( The kind with
the perforations ), worn as goggles work great.
Mike B (Piet N687MB )
Just then the air got under
my glasses
and pulled them off myface and out from under my
helmet.
Hey. I've been there too. A pair of plastic shop
glasses ( The
kind with the perforations ), worn as goggles work great.
Mike B (Piet N687MB )
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| Subject: | Canopus 13 smoke oil |
Interesting tidbit that I thought I would share. I called Shell's customer
service center and asked for a cross reference oil to texaco's Canoupus oil
and they said if you want the best, use the texaco product. So I called a
few distrubutors and they say that it isn't available in less than 55 gallon
drums from Texaco. I think that would be a bit much. He then said that I
might want to try Textiles companies since it is used widely for lubricating
sewing machines because it doesn't stain.
interesting facts from a scroungers travels....
Steve Eldredge
Steve(at)byu.edu
IT Services
Brigham Young University
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| From: | SAM & JAN MARINUCCI |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder and elevator hinges |
John
Do you think 4130 chrome moly steel would be a better choice than
6061 T6 aluminium for the hinges? Thats what i'm going to use on my Piet.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Fay <jefay(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, April 18, 1999 6:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder and elevator hinges
>Walt,
>
>Read your messages last week on the Piet net
>about hinges. I've seen some before on Piets
>where the builder took pieces of square or
>rectangular tubing ( I assumed it was aluminum )
>and made hinges from these. They used two different
>sizes that would nestle inside each other.
>Wish I could draw a diagram on this thing to explain
>it better, but if you use your imagination I think
>you can figure it out. They cut away the top part of
> the tubing to make the hinges.
>
>I am going to try it. I ordered two pieces of
>C-channel from Wicks. It should arrive tomorrow--
>so I am not speaking from a successful experience,
>just what I intend to try. One piece is 1.25" O.D.
>with 1/8" wall and the other is 1" O.D., also with
>1/8" wall. (Aluminum--6061-T6, I think)
>
>I'll let you know my impressions as soon as I get a
>chance to play with it. (I have never made anything
>out of metal before.)
>
>
>John in Peoria
>
>
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| Subject: | Routing 3/4 inch spars |
Has anyone routed the three quarters inch spars as shown on Vi Kaplers' 3
piece wing drawing? If so, how deep did you go, and do you think the weight
savings was worth the effort?
Thanks for info
Ed Woerle
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
to all:
This is a question for you guys that are way more advanced than me in
assy or flying.
When rigging the Aircamper, do you take the wing struts length as drawn,
assemble them, and bolt them on?
When building a fisher 404, I had to set the fuse in a jig and allign
the wings(top ones first), get them prefectly alligned, then cut the
struts to fit. Then allign the bottom, and cut the "N" tubing to fit.
I'm just kind of thinking ahead and wondering what I'm up against
thanks
walt
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| From: | Doug <ve6zh(at)oanet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: first flight |
Congrats to you Domenic!!
Doug
> From: BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: first flight
> Date: Monday, April 19, 1999 8:35 AM
>
>
>
> To all,
>
> First flight of C-GDCB on 17th April, 1999 at 09:45AM. at the Brampton
> Airport.
> Performed 2 circuits. without insidence. The prop. however did not
unload. I
> had the same rpm at full throttle as I achieved static.
> All concensus is that it's not breathing properly. This is easy enough
6to
> fix.
> Another Piet. in the air,
> Domenic Bellissimo
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| From: | John E Fay <jefay(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Help unsubscribe one of me |
Steve Eldredge,
Steve Eldredge,
Could you please help me unsubscribe one address. I think
that I have gotten two of the same addresses onto the list because
I am getting two copies of every communication sent to the
Piet group. I didn't want to use the automatic
unsubscribe command because I thought that might take me
completely off the list.
My address is jefay(at)yahoo.com
Thanks. It's just too much of a good thing.
the Juno address from which I am sending this.
__________
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| From: | Michael Hinchman <mikehi(at)molalla.net> |
| Subject: | RE: Canopus 13 smoke oil |
...And a very special thank you to our fellow scrounge. May we never resort
to the gnashing of teeth...
-----O riginal Message-----
steve(at)byu.edu
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 12:51 PM
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Subject: Canopus 13 smoke oil
Interesting tidbit that I thought I would share. I called Shell's
customer service center and asked for a cross reference oil to texaco's
Canoupus oil and they said if you want the best, use the texaco product. So
I called a few distrubutors and they say that it isn't available in less
than 55 gallon drums from Texaco. I think that would be a bit much. He
then said that I might want to try Textiles companies since it is used
widely for lubricating sewing machines because it doesn't stain.
interesting facts from a scroungers travels....
Steve Eldredge
Steve(at)byu.edu
IT Services
Brigham Young University
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| From: | Wayne and Kathy <ktokarz(at)incentre.net> |
robert hensarling wrote:
>
> I'd like to get ideas from the list about the wire "sight guage". My GN-1
> doesn't have one. The fuel tank in behind the engine, and the fuel cap has
> the tube in it so that I can use the wire guage. A friend suggested
> aluminum rod and some sort of styrofoam floater, however I'm wondering is
> this (the rod) might be to light, and wind pressure will not allow the
> float fall while flying. Don't know about using foam either, seems like it
> would get eaten up. Someone else mentioned something about thermos bottle
> cork, and coating it with epoxy, and using a stainless steel rod.
>
> Any ideas?
> Robert Hensarling GN-1 N83887
> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> Uvalde, Texas
Hi Robert;
You should use 1\16 or 3\32 music wire and good old fashioned cork.
The cork is fastened to the wire by soldering washers to the wire on
either side of the cork or by putting a crook in the wire above the cork
and bending the wire over below it. It is also good to do somthing at
the very top of the wire for eye safety.
Wayne Tokarz
in Cold Lake
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Wayne and Kathy <ktokarz(at)incentre.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Smoken STeveE |
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
>
> Right! (ATF=Auto Trans Fluid) sorry for the confusion.
>
> YOur comment however, makes me wonder if I might have better luck with a
> longer exhaust pipe and/or smaller holes. I am going to get some mineral
> oil and see if there is much difference though before getting mechanical
> again.
>
> SE
>
> Steve Eldredge
> IT Services
> Brigham Young University
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Warren Shoun
> > Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 10:49 AM
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: Re: Smoken STeveE
> >
> >
> > Sorry guys, I guess I must have bumped my head this morning.
> > ATF in Steve's
> > earlier note is Auto Tran Fluid...right?
> > Warren
> >
> > steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> >
> > > I also found out that CANOPUS is the new brand name for
> > CORVUS oil. (Still
> > > can't say canOPUS without thinking of that silly little
> > penguin) for you
> > > Berk Brethed fans.
> > >
> > > Steve Eldredge
> > > IT Services
> > > Brigham Young University
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Maiser(at)adena.byu.edu
> > > Michael Cuy
> > > Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 9:55 AM
> > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > > Subject: Smoken STeveE
> > >
> > >
> > > So Steve, besides putting Duane W. under instant IFR conditions
> > > with your newly installed smoke system, (he he he) what fluid did
> > > you find that worked better than others ?? I'm curious about
> > > using a light mineral oil now that I found out what the real McCoy is
> > > made from. (Texaco Canoupus No. 13 Airshow smoke oil)
> > > Mike C.
> > >
> > > PS- I take it that Duane won't sit around and NOT install himself the
> > > same setup, eh ? My motto: smoke, be smoked, or step aside.
> > >
Hi Steve;
Are you using only head pressure to put your smoke oil in the exhaust?
If so I don't think it would be enough. I have seen small electric pumps
( windshield washer) used. Also I have heard that one should use some
sort of spray bar to atomize the mixture in the exhaust pipe. Just
Ideas, hope they help.
Wayne Tokarz
in Cold Lake
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| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
| Subject: | gauge/performance |
Hi List!! Thank you for all the info on building a fuel gauge. I've
printed it all out, and will start on that project very soon.
I read something quite interesting on this list yesterday, about engine
performance. Since I'm new to the Continental 65's, I'm wondering if there
is a "standard" list of checks to perform in order to see how efficient the
engine is working for me. There was a mention of static running, and the
prop not "unloading". I assume that the RPM's will be lower on the ground
in a static run-up, and higher on takeoff. My wooden prop (manufacturer
unknown) is a 44 x 72, does this seem like the correct prop for the Cont 65?
Full RPM's seem to be around 2,400 or 2,500 on takeoff. Climb is less than
spectacular, probably 500 or so with one on board (this may be normal or
acceptable?).
I know that in the ultralights I fly, I can check the mixture by looking at
the plugs after running the engine for a while. Maybe this works on this
engine also? I really don't know the first thing about how to set the carb,
etc. It may be set just fine right now for all I know. The oil temp and
pressure stay in the green.
Appreciate all you people are doing for me!!!
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
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| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Canopus 13 smoke oil |
>
> Interesting tidbit that I thought I would share. I called Shell's customer
> service center and asked for a cross reference oil to texaco's Canoupus oil
> and they said if you want the best, use the texaco product. So I called a
> few distrubutors and they say that it isn't available in less than 55 gallon
> drums from Texaco. I think that would be a bit much.
Steve- You can get the Texaco oil in plastic 5 gallon quantities by either
going to
Texaco's web page and finding a local distributor in your area.....OR look in
your
yellow pages and look under 'lubricants' 'petroleum distillates' or oil and
start
calling around. These distributors usually carry products from many, many,
mfgs. so
eventually you'll find one close to home that will sell you in 5 gallon
increments.
Mine was $30 some bucks for 5 gals. Well worth it. Fun in a can.
Mike C.
Interesting tidbit
that I thought I would share. I called Shell's customer service
center and asked for a cross reference oil to texaco's Canoupus oil and
they said if you want the best, use the texaco product. So I called
a few distrubutors and they say that it isn't available in less than 55
gallon drums from Texaco. I think that would be a bit much.
Steve- You can get the Texaco oil in plastic 5 gallon quantities by
either going to
Texaco's web page and finding a local distributor in your area.....OR
look in your
yellow pages and look under 'lubricants' 'petroleum
distillates' or oil and start
calling around. These distributors usually carry products from
many, many, mfgs. so
eventually you'll find one close to home that will sell you in 5 gallon
increments.
Mine was $30 some bucks for 5 gals. Well worth it. Fun in a
can.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
>
> to all:
> This is a question for you guys that are way more advanced than me in assy or
> flying.
> When rigging the Aircamper, do you take the wing struts length as drawn,
> assemble them, and bolt them on?
Walter- I would advise waiting until you get your wings on and supported to the
position you want them: ie
zero dihedral, 1 deg. 1.5 deg. or any washout THEN measure with a steel tape
bolt hole to bolt hole-then
make up your struts. If you raise your cabane struts 2" (as many builders do
to facilitate entry and exit
from the cockpits) then the plan length won't work. Strut mat'l is too
expensive to cut wrong:))
If you are using struts with adjustable fork ends your fudge factor is more
tolerant to the exact length.
If you can, at least make the rear strut adjustable so that should you
experience a 'wing heavy' condition
you can land, crank in or out a few threads, and go fly again. (as opposed to
putting a fixed alum. trim
tab somewhere.)
Mike C.
to all:
This is a question for you guys that are way more advanced than me in
assy or flying.
When rigging the Aircamper, do you take the wing struts length as drawn,
assemble them, and bolt them on?
Walter- I would advise waiting until you get your wings on and
supported to the position you want them: ie
zero dihedral, 1 deg. 1.5 deg. or any washout THEN measure with a
steel tape bolt hole to bolt hole-then
make up your struts. If you raise your cabane struts 2
(as many builders do to facilitate entry and exit
from the cockpits) then the plan length won't work. Strut
mat'l is too expensive to cut wrong:))
If you are using struts with adjustable fork ends your fudge factor is
more tolerant to the exact length.
If you can, at least make the rear strut adjustable so that should you
experience a 'wing heavy' condition
you can land, crank in or out a few threads, and go fly again. (as
opposed to putting a fixed alum. trim
tab somewhere.)
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
>robert hensarling wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to get ideas from the list.....
Robert- I used 1/16" diam. s/s welding rod bent to a 'J' shape
at one end and inserted the straight end thru two corks I
epoxied end to end (wide ends) and shaved to a cylinder shape,
then dipped the cork in standard shellac and let dry-about 6 coats.
Then cut the rod and put a 90 deg. bend in after you've put it thru
your fuel cap 'guide tube' at a length to suite you. The shellac will
not tolerate alcohol as well as regualar avgas or autogas w/ no alcohol.
I use no vent on my fuel tank- the guide tube for the 1/16" float wire
has enough space to allow venting. A fuel flow test should be done
though on any homebuilt as per the horsepower, climb angle, max
power fuel consumption as laid out in the Tony Bingelis books.
Mike C.
robert hensarling wrote:
I'd like to get ideas from the list.....
Robert- I used 1/16 diam. s/s welding rod bent to a 'J'
shape
at one end and inserted the straight end thru two corks I
epoxied end to end (wide ends) and shaved to a cylinder shape,
then dipped the cork in standard shellac and let dry-about 6 coats.
Then cut the rod and put a 90 deg. bend in after you've put it thru
your fuel cap 'guide tube' at a length to suite you. The shellac
will
not tolerate alcohol as well as regualar avgas or autogas w/ no
alcohol.
I use no vent on my fuel tank- the guide tube for the 1/16 float
wire
has enough space to allow venting. A fuel flow test should be
done
though on any homebuilt as per the horsepower, climb angle, max
power fuel consumption as laid out in the Tony Bingelis books.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | RE: Help unsubscribe one of me |
Done.
Done.
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> John E Fay
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 7:26 PM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Help unsubscribe one of me
>
>
> Steve Eldredge,
> Steve Eldredge,
>
> Could you please help me unsubscribe one address. I think
> that I have gotten two of the same addresses onto the list because
> I am getting two copies of every communication sent to the
> Piet group. I didn't want to use the automatic
> unsubscribe command because I thought that might take me
> completely off the list.
>
> My address is jefay(at)yahoo.com
>
>
> Thanks. It's just too much of a good thing.
>
> questions to
> the Juno address from which I am sending this.
>
> __________
> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at
http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craig Lawler <clawler(at)ptd.net> |
| Subject: | Re: gauge/performance |
x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"
Robert,
I am only getting about 2250 rpm out of a C-65 with a 73-42 prop in
cruise. My climb is about the same, maybe a little better. How much does
your Piet weigh? I think the different manufactures of props perform
differently. I had mine cut back to 42 to get some more rpm.
Craig
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Texaco Suppliers |
Steve, and all you other smokers.......
1-800-782-7852 to find a Texaco lubricant dealer in
your part of the country. Then call the supplier and
ask if they carry Texaco Canoupus No. 13 (code 519).
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC" |
| Subject: | FW: Texaco Suppliers |
Steve,
Why not buy a drum and split it with all the smokers? Just tell them it's
for personal use and perhaps you can get it wholesale.
Just a suggestion.
Domenic
----------
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Texaco Suppliers |
Steve, and all you other smokers.......
1-800-782-7852 to find a Texaco lubricant dealer in
your part of the country. Then call the supplier and
ask if they carry Texaco Canoupus No. 13 (code 519).
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Ragan <lragan(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Yesterdays Wings |
Anyone have the phone # to Yesterdays Wings? The number I have obviously is no
good.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Yesterdays Wings |
Larry,
I just spoke to Gary. Yesterday's Wings isn't making enough to pay the rent
and feed
the bulldog, so he has returned to the Avionics Repair business.
However, he is still working with his museum at Hampton Airfield in his spare
time
and has all of his plans still available.
He requested that you first use his e-mail address, which is
GJPrice(at)Javanet.com
and follow up with any questions that you may really need at his home phone
of
(603) 926-5792.
Best Regards,
Warren
Larry Ragan wrote:
> Anyone have the phone # to Yesterdays Wings? The number I have obviously is
no good.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Ragan <lragan(at)hotmail.com> |
Anyone out there?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | fishin <fishin(at)wwa.com> |
Hi Larry===looks like this monsoon weather has everyone under cover
regards
JoeC
Larry Ragan wrote:
> Anyone out there?
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
Got my 55 gallon drum of Cannabis and have been smoking it too much to
pay attention to what is going on here
Larry Ragan wrote:
> Anyone out there?
>
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| From: | "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC" |
| Subject: | Anybody out there |
I'm watching the e-mail but not much happening here. I'm looking for
thin-wall tubing, but not much luck yet in finding anything. The tube I
found , I would have to machine to a thinner wall thickness before it could
be used to replace my intake restriction. I've also ordered softer urathane
pucks for my undercariage suspension. Changing from Durometer 90 to 40. I
found the 90 does not deflect to absorb the landing. I also discovered I put
too much air in the tires, cosequently I had one side bent. Will fix that
this week-end. I should be back in business soon.
Domenic
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Anybody out there |
Ahh. the happiness and frustration of debugging a new aircraft. Keep at it
and in about a year you will be happy to have it all sorted out to your
satisfaction.
Funny post about smoking oil. Made me laugh... BTW it looks like I may
have found a source @ $22 per 5 gallons. I have yet to see if they can get
it on the truck from LA.
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC
> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 10:20 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Anybody out there
>
>
> I'm watching the e-mail but not much happening here. I'm looking for
> thin-wall tubing, but not much luck yet in finding anything.
> The tube I
> found , I would have to machine to a thinner wall thickness
> before it could
> be used to replace my intake restriction. I've also ordered
> softer urathane
> pucks for my undercariage suspension. Changing from Durometer
> 90 to 40. I
> found the 90 does not deflect to absorb the landing. I also
> discovered I put
> too much air in the tires, cosequently I had one side bent.
> Will fix that
> this week-end. I should be back in business soon.
>
> Domenic
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
I'm going to be at Corona this week-end, with a new digital camera,
so....if I figure this thing out right, I will have a bunch of "Fly-In" pics to
post. Will be posting them to Grant, and also to DeCosta. Need Richard to
post me back on the best way to post them to him....Richard?
Warren....oh, and the smoke should be cleared up by then...{;
)
.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC" |
Steve,
I was just wondering about your 'smoking' oil? Are there any regulations
about pollution of the environment with that oil or is it biodegradable? Any
complaints from the tree huggers? About fun debugging... I hope it doesn't
take a year because I plan to be at Brodhead and Oshkosh this summer. My
welder friend has cancer and is not feeling too good, but he wants to work
on the gear this Sat. As for the intake problem that will take another week
at least. Darn it, just as the good weather gets here.
Domenic
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
>Steve,
>I was just wondering about your 'smoking' oil? Are there any regulations
>about pollution of the environment with that oil or is it biodegradable?
Dom- excuse me for answering this before Steve E but this Texaco oil is
exactly the same oil the airshow and aerobatic folks use. It's basically
a mineral oil and is very acceptable to use by epa/osha standards for this
application. (plus is smells just like airshow smoke so you feel like you
are always at an airshow !!!) EAA's chief mechanic told me over the phone
what the stuff was when I was setting up my smoke system. Nobody else
had a clue what they used. (Steve- this stuff generates the whittest, best
smoke you'll ever get.)
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <duprey(at)excite.com> |
> Got my 55 gallon drum of Cannabis and have been smoking it too much to
> pay attention to what is going on here
>
> Warren...you smoked it but did not inhale...Right?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
John Duprey wrote:
>
> > Got my 55 gallon drum of Cannabis and have been smoking it too much to
> > pay attention to what is going on here
> >
> > Warren...you smoked it but did not inhale...Right?
Absolutely....and Monica could verify that, but she is busy at the moment.
She does still have a great selection of Presidential Seal Cigars available,
and upon special arrangement, some Lewinsky Cigar Holders.
>
>
> _______________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | arkiesacres(at)juno.com |
Anyone out there?
Echo
Echo
Yes, and it's been windy for 4 days straight Force 7
Gordon
writes:
>Anyone out there?
>
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| From: | Wayne and Kathy <ktokarz(at)incentre.net> |
| Subject: | [Fwd: Fw: [Fwd: Fw: Virus warning re BUDDYLST]] |
endzone(at)compusmart.ab.ca, cecdufr(at)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca,
abbottc(at)tinker.af.mil, dansue1(at)telusplanet.net, dtokarz(at)telusplanet.net,
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pceri71(at)orange.gwl.ca, audio(at)telusplanet.net, thunderbird(at)cyberdude.com,
wolfc(at)mail.island.net, piet(at)byu.edu
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Eric Hansen" <ehan(at)telusplanet.net> |
"tom mckay" ,
"jen hansen" ,
"Frase" , "tim dumore" ,
"Al Edwards" ,
"mike cotton" ,
"jose agostihno" ,
"john adams"
| Subject: | Fw: [Fwd: Fw: Virus warning re BUDDYLST] |
-----Original Message-----
| From: | jstander <jstander(at)telusplanet.net> |
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; Barry Stevenson ; Andre
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Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 1:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: [Fwd: Fw: Virus warning re BUDDYLST]
>
>
>----------
>| From: A.J. SLABBER
>| To: nnkalis(at)batelco.com.bh
>| Cc: D ; rayno/izabeth ;
>ICON(at)land.sun.ac.za; jstander(at)telusplanet.net; rossouwp(at)telusplanet.net
>| Subject: [Fwd: Fw: Virus warning re BUDDYLST]
>| Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 2:43 PM
>|
>| Johann Slabber wrote:
>| >
>| > -----Original Message-----
>| > From: Johann Slabber <johans@learning-resources.co.za>
>| > To: Dirk Slabber
>| > Date: 21 April 1999 01:18:PM
>| > Subject: Virus warning re BUDDYLST
>| >
>| > >Subject: FW: Virus warning re BUDDYLST
>| > >Someone is sending out a very desirable screen-saver, the budweiser
>Frogs
>| > >
>| > >
>| > > "BUDDYLST.ZIP". If you download it, you will lose everything!!!
>| > > Your hard drive will crash and someone from the Internet will get
>your
>| > >screen name and password! DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS UNDER ANY
>CIRCUMSTANCES!!!
>| > >IT JUST WENT INTO circulation yesterday, as far as we know. Please
>| > >distribute this message. This is a new, very malicious virus and not
>many
>| > >people know about it. This information was announced yesterday
>morning
>| > from
>| > >Microsoft. Please share it with everyone that might access the
>Internet.
>| > >Once again, pass this along to EVERYONE in your address book so that
>| > >this may be stopped. AOL has said that this is a very dangerous virus
>and
>| > >that there is NO remedy for it at this time. Please practice
>cautionary
>| > >measures and forward this to all your on-line friends.
>| > >
>| > >
>| > >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
I am, I just came up from basement making some control brackets , and
starting to set up elevator controls..
There is work to be done now, so some day I can fly into the sunset with the
Piet.
walt
-----Original Message-----
From: arkiesacres(at)juno.com
Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 3:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re:
>Anyone out there?
>
>
>Echo
>Echo
>
>Yes, and it's been windy for 4 days straight Force 7
>
>Gordon
>
>
>writes:
>>Anyone out there?
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dean Dayton <deandayton(at)hotmail.com> |
I just looked in the "Standard Aircraft Handbook" for the torque
spces on a 3/8 inch bolt (fine thread, standard nut). It said "160-
190". It didn't give any units. Is this inch-lbs, ft-lbs, ton-
lightyear, or what?
Dean Dayton - deandayton(at)hotmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug <ve6zh(at)oanet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: torque specs |
.A 3/8 bolt will fail long long before you ever reach 160 lbs- ft. 190 lbs
-in.is only 16 lbs ft.
Doug
> From: Dean Dayton <deandayton(at)hotmail.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: torque specs
> Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 5:31 PM
>
> I just looked in the "Standard Aircraft Handbook" for the torque
> spces on a 3/8 inch bolt (fine thread, standard nut). It said "160-
> 190". It didn't give any units. Is this inch-lbs, ft-lbs, ton-
> lightyear, or what?
>
>
> Dean Dayton - deandayton(at)hotmail.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dean Dayton <deandayton(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: torque specs |
Are you saying that a 3/8 bolt should be torqued to less than 16 ft-
lb? Doesn't this seem low?
>.A 3/8 bolt will fail long long before you ever reach 160 lbs- ft.
190 lbs
>-in.is only 16 lbs ft.
> Doug
>
>----------
>> From: Dean Dayton <deandayton(at)hotmail.com>
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Subject: torque specs
>> Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 5:31 PM
>>
>> I just looked in the "Standard Aircraft Handbook" for the torque
>> spces on a 3/8 inch bolt (fine thread, standard nut). It said "160-
>> 190". It didn't give any units. Is this inch-lbs, ft-lbs, ton-
>> lightyear, or what?
>>
>>
>> Dean Dayton - deandayton(at)hotmail.com
>>
>>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Fay <jefay(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder and elevator hinges |
--- SAM & JAN MARINUCCI wrote:
> John
> Do you think 4130 chrome moly steel would be
> a better choice than
> 6061 T6 aluminium for the hinges? Thats what i'm
> going to use on my Piet.
> -----Original Message____
I'm sure 4130 is great. I would assume that the alum. version could
be lighter, but I will have to get
my engineering partner to do some work on that. I think it may be
easier to do the work on the Alum. piece. I do not have a grinder yet,
and was going to
try to get by on the Al. with my sander.
About using two pieces of the same size channel and just
reversing the direction of overlap on one of the pairs:
I see two disadvantages to that. First, a slight weight and cost
penalty. I can use a piece of 1" inside a piece of 1 1/4". If I used
the overlap I would have to use two pieces of the 1 1/4" material,
because two pieces of 1" material overlapped would not leave sufficient
room inside for the mounting hardware.
2) There are 3 hinges pairs per elevator. With one overlapped the
other direction you have two flanges keeping the elevator from moving
one way, but only one
flange to keep it from going the other way. With the
twosize system, one nestling inside the other, you have
three flanges preventing movement in each direction.
You could use two of the same size and use a spacer
to prevent movement, which would solve the second concern, but why add
the complexity when it may be easier to find the right size of
C-channel than to find
the right size and type of spacer.
These are my initial thoughts, but as I said--I've never done it. I've
received the C-channel now, but probably
won't get around to trying to make the part until June.
(School's coming to an end and I am going to be super
busy the next 5 weeks.)
John in Peoria
to find two of the
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
| Subject: | Re: torque specs |
Is the bolt in shear or tension?
In tension the torque is more critical as it should be enought to
establish a preload on the bolt. (The bolt should have more internal tension
on it than the loads imposed by its application.) In shear the torque needs
to be only enough to eliminate end play and provide enough resistance to
rotation. ( the reason most bolts are safetied.)
John Mc
-----Original Message-----
From: Dean Dayton <deandayton(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 7:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: torque specs
>Are you saying that a 3/8 bolt should be torqued to less than 16 ft-
>lb? Doesn't this seem low?
>
>
>>.A 3/8 bolt will fail long long before you ever reach 160 lbs- ft.
>190 lbs
>>-in.is only 16 lbs ft.
>> Doug
>>
>>----------
>>> From: Dean Dayton <deandayton(at)hotmail.com>
>>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>> Subject: torque specs
>>> Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 5:31 PM
>>>
>>> I just looked in the "Standard Aircraft Handbook" for the torque
>>> spces on a 3/8 inch bolt (fine thread, standard nut). It said "160-
>>> 190". It didn't give any units. Is this inch-lbs, ft-lbs, ton-
>>> lightyear, or what?
>>>
>>>
>>> Dean Dayton - deandayton(at)hotmail.com
>>>
>>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug <ve6zh(at)oanet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: torque specs |
NO,I'AM saying that 16lbs-ft,is = to 190 lbs-inches.And that the units
implied by your book are in lbs-inches and not lbs-ft,thats all.
It would depend on what you are bolting together,ie;wood or metal,are they
in shear or tension etc,etc.
Just for a non aircraft example,a con.rod nut on a 350 Chevy which is
3/8nf thread,is torqued to 45 lbs-ft,this stretches the bolt and keeps the
non locking nut from departing.Most new engine specs are given in a low
base torque,then X number of degrees added rotation,ie 20 lbs-ft plus 90
degrees,this is torque to yield,stetching the bolt for max
clamping(tension).These bolts are used ONCE then tosed.
Doug..
> From: Dean Dayton <deandayton(at)hotmail.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: torque specs
> Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 6:59 PM
>
> Are you saying that a 3/8 bolt should be torqued to less than 16 ft-
> lb? Doesn't this seem low?
>
>
> >.A 3/8 bolt will fail long long before you ever reach 160 lbs- ft.
> 190 lbs
> >-in.is only 16 lbs ft.
> > Doug
> >
> >----------
> >> From: Dean Dayton <deandayton(at)hotmail.com>
> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> Subject: torque specs
> >> Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 5:31 PM
> >>
> >> I just looked in the "Standard Aircraft Handbook" for the torque
> >> spces on a 3/8 inch bolt (fine thread, standard nut). It said "160-
> >> 190". It didn't give any units. Is this inch-lbs, ft-lbs, ton-
> >> lightyear, or what?
> >>
> >>
> >> Dean Dayton - deandayton(at)hotmail.com
> >>
> >>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: torque specs |
Yes a bolt in tension should be tightened enough
to exceed load placed on the bolt that way it does'nt
cycle thousands of times fatigueing then breaking.
one time a couple of good old boys and me bought
a tx-1000 utltralight, there was a bolt passing through
the root tube holding a spar bracket on. It broke with my
friend in flight. I picked up my helmet and was walking out
to meet him as he landed. As his taxi slowed the wing
literally fell off, seems there were a couple of threads
left on the bolt and as long as the bracket lifted up
it was caught on the broken bolt however when the lift
ended the wing fell off. My friend says he heard the
bolt break!
-----Original Message-----
From: John McNarry <jmcnarry(at)techplus.com>
Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 9:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: torque specs
>Is the bolt in shear or tension?
> In tension the torque is more critical as it should be enought to
>establish a preload on the bolt. (The bolt should have more internal
tension
>on it than the loads imposed by its application.) In shear the torque needs
>to be only enough to eliminate end play and provide enough resistance to
>rotation. ( the reason most bolts are safetied.)
>
>John Mc
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dean Dayton <deandayton(at)hotmail.com>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 7:01 PM
>Subject: Re: torque specs
>
>
>>Are you saying that a 3/8 bolt should be torqued to less than 16 ft-
>>lb? Doesn't this seem low?
>>
>>
>>>.A 3/8 bolt will fail long long before you ever reach 160 lbs- ft.
>>190 lbs
>>>-in.is only 16 lbs ft.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>>----------
>>>> From: Dean Dayton <deandayton(at)hotmail.com>
>>>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>>> Subject: torque specs
>>>> Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 5:31 PM
>>>>
>>>> I just looked in the "Standard Aircraft Handbook" for the torque
>>>> spces on a 3/8 inch bolt (fine thread, standard nut). It said "160-
>>>> 190". It didn't give any units. Is this inch-lbs, ft-lbs, ton-
>>>> lightyear, or what?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dean Dayton - deandayton(at)hotmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | oil can <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com> |
I was looking at the Great Plains VolksWagon aircraft engine
site...
...and noticed that he has a really nifty redrive for the type 1 VW
engine that runs off the pully end of this motor. The redrive fits to
2200cc, for engines of about 75 hp.
This redrive, plus a good oil cooler, and a set of eyebrows could
very well spell the beginning of VW power in Piet type aircraft.
ocb
________________________________________________________________________________
To any and all who are having trouble using FTP to add files to your
AirCamper.org sites:
http://www.aircamper.org/Upload.cfm
This is a fairly simple page for file uploading, either to your use
directory if you have one, or to a public file directory if you dont (I
encourage anyone with Piet related files to give it a try!).
Good luck.
Richard
===
http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
"Keepest thy flying speed lest the ground come up and smite thee."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dean Dayton <deandayton(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: torque specs |
Sorry, didn't mean to sound critical. I was just trying to figure out
why my auto mechanic friends were giving me much higher torque values
than the aircraft manuals.
Let me restate what you said (so you can tell me if I've go it
right;-). The higher torque values are based on the assumption that
the bolt will be permanently deformed (and less strength?) and should
not be reused (but it saves a few cents by using a non-locking nut).
Thanks for your help
>NO,I'AM saying that 16lbs-ft,is = to 190 lbs-inches.And that the
units
>implied by your book are in lbs-inches and not lbs-ft,thats all.
> It would depend on what you are bolting together,ie;wood or
metal,are they
>in shear or tension etc,etc.
> Just for a non aircraft example,a con.rod nut on a 350 Chevy which
is
>3/8nf thread,is torqued to 45 lbs-ft,this stretches the bolt and
keeps the
>non locking nut from departing.Most new engine specs are given in a
low
>base torque,then X number of degrees added rotation,ie 20 lbs-ft plus
90
>degrees,this is torque to yield,stetching the bolt for max
>clamping(tension).These bolts are used ONCE then tosed.
> Doug..
>----------
>> From: Dean Dayton <deandayton(at)hotmail.com>
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Subject: Re: torque specs
>> Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 6:59 PM
>>
>> Are you saying that a 3/8 bolt should be torqued to less than 16
ft-
>> lb? Doesn't this seem low?
>>
>>
>> >.A 3/8 bolt will fail long long before you ever reach 160 lbs- ft.
>> 190 lbs
>> >-in.is only 16 lbs ft.
>> > Doug
>> >
>> >----------
>> >> From: Dean Dayton <deandayton(at)hotmail.com>
>> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> >> Subject: torque specs
>> >> Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 5:31 PM
>> >>
>> >> I just looked in the "Standard Aircraft Handbook" for the torque
>> >> spces on a 3/8 inch bolt (fine thread, standard nut). It said
"160-
>> >> 190". It didn't give any units. Is this inch-lbs, ft-lbs, ton-
>> >> lightyear, or what?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dean Dayton - deandayton(at)hotmail.com
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
________________________________________________________________________________
I looked at the VW belt redrive at SnF. The guy told me that it has flown
200 hours already, and would be ideal for low and slow fliers. It has a
rotax bolt pattern. Their are a couple of things that worry me about it: It
uses three belts, side by side, with no separator. I wonder if one belt
broke, if it would get up under the other two and sling them too? The
support bracket for the thing sure looks strong enough, but it bolts down to
the four alternator stand bolts and the two fuel pump hole bolts. Since the
vw is a magnesium based block, I wonder if these six bolt holes could be
reinforced? The cost is $1300 for the drive, and a brand new imported short
block from GEX is $1200. If anyone tries the thing, let me know what you
think.
Brian Ippolito
> -----Original Message-----
> can
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 3:11 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: VW engine
>
>
> I was looking at the Great Plains VolksWagon aircraft engine
> site...
>
>
> ...and noticed that he has a really nifty redrive for the type 1 VW
> engine that runs off the pully end of this motor. The redrive fits to
> 2200cc, for engines of about 75 hp.
>
> This redrive, plus a good oil cooler, and a set of eyebrows could
> very well spell the beginning of VW power in Piet type aircraft.
>
> ocb
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: torque specs |
The first book I came to in my library was a Cessna 172 Maintenance Manual.
On page 1-3 of this publication is a chart that describes "Recommended Nut
Torques". For tension, a 3/8-24 bolt using AN310, AN345, AN362, AN363,
AN366, MS20365, "1452", "EB", "UWN", "Z1200" and other self locking nuts is
torqued to 160-190 pound-inches on oil-free cadmium plated threads. A 3/8-24
bolt in shear using AN316, AN320, AN7502 or MS20364 is torqued to 95-110
pound inches, again on oil-free cadmium plated threads. I'll check my
AC43-13, but I'm sure itr will say the same.
Ed
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug Sheets <doug_sheets(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder and elevator hinges |
Sam,Jan,John:
I'm making aluminum hinges from 1-3/4 x 3/4 6061T6 and using the
overlap method. The only difference is that I am making them and
sending them to a plating shop to be HARD anodized which puts a very
hard wear surface all over. My concern was with the bearing strength
of the holes. My tail section is almost done, so I can check the
viability of this installation soon. My shop is slow, so I'm making a
whole bunch of these. The min. charge for anodizing is $125 so I need
to send a lot of them. I am currently drawing all of the metal parts
in AutoCad and making the attach fitting ends 1/2" per Mike Cuys
video. I'll check the results with my own installation.
Doug Sheets
>From: John Fay <jefay(at)yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Re: Rudder and elevator hinges
>Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:33:15 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>--- SAM & JAN MARINUCCI wrote:
>> John
>> Do you think 4130 chrome moly steel would be
>> a better choice than
>> 6061 T6 aluminium for the hinges? Thats what i'm
>> going to use on my Piet.
>> -----Original Message____
>
>
>I'm sure 4130 is great. I would assume that the alum. version
could
>be lighter, but I will have to get
>my engineering partner to do some work on that. I think it may be
>easier to do the work on the Alum. piece. I do not have a grinder
yet,
>and was going to
>try to get by on the Al. with my sander.
>
>About using two pieces of the same size channel and just
>reversing the direction of overlap on one of the pairs:
>I see two disadvantages to that. First, a slight weight and cost
>penalty. I can use a piece of 1" inside a piece of 1 1/4". If I
used
>the overlap I would have to use two pieces of the 1 1/4" material,
>because two pieces of 1" material overlapped would not leave
sufficient
>room inside for the mounting hardware.
>
>2) There are 3 hinges pairs per elevator. With one overlapped the
>other direction you have two flanges keeping the elevator from moving
>one way, but only one
>flange to keep it from going the other way. With the
>twosize system, one nestling inside the other, you have
>three flanges preventing movement in each direction.
>
>You could use two of the same size and use a spacer
>to prevent movement, which would solve the second concern, but why
add
>the complexity when it may be easier to find the right size of
>C-channel than to find
>the right size and type of spacer.
>
>These are my initial thoughts, but as I said--I've never done it.
I've
>received the C-channel now, but probably
>won't get around to trying to make the part until June.
>(School's coming to an end and I am going to be super
>busy the next 5 weeks.)
>
>John in Peoria
>
>to find two of the
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug Sheets <doug_sheets(at)hotmail.com> |
Sorry, In my last message about fittings I meant to say I am making
them "1/2" LONGER" at the attach end so you have room to insert bolts,
put wrenches on, etc.
Doug
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
You were close. Http://www.Greatplains.com/index.html will send you to the
Great Plains Software company. http://www.greatplainsas.com/ will send you
to the Great Plains aircraft supply company.
Thanks for the info on the new redrive though.
Ken
On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, oil can wrote:
> I was looking at the Great Plains VolksWagon aircraft engine
> site...
>
> ...and noticed that he has a really nifty redrive for the type 1 VW
> engine that runs off the pully end of this motor. The redrive fits to
> 2200cc, for engines of about 75 hp.
>
> This redrive, plus a good oil cooler, and a set of eyebrows could
> very well spell the beginning of VW power in Piet type aircraft.
>
> ocb
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
Aeronca discussion list
Hi,
I have a MaCaulay Metal LB90 CM7343 prop for sale. Canadian logs are
included. Prop was re-pitched from a CM7341. Prop is in excellent shape
last flown on an A-75 powered T'Craft. Engine and prop were replaced
with an 0-290 by the original owner and I bought the firewall forward. I
was planning on using it on the C-85 powered Christavia but I'd prefer to
use a Warp or Ivo ground adjustable.
I'm asking $750 USD plus shipping.
Ken
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Hats shipping today |
I got the hats back and they look great. I'll be packing and shipping
today. Thanks all!!
Steve e.
Steve Eldredge
Steve(at)byu.edu
IT Services
Brigham Young University
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug <ve6zh(at)oanet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: torque specs |
Don't be sorry,the reasons for torque to yeild are not cost related,but
for max clamping etc.Maybe too much info?
Regards Doug
> From: Dean Dayton <deandayton(at)hotmail.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: torque specs
> Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 6:26 AM
>
> Sorry, didn't mean to sound critical. I was just trying to figure out
> why my auto mechanic friends were giving me much higher torque values
> than the aircraft manuals.
>
> Let me restate what you said (so you can tell me if I've go it
> right;-). The higher torque values are based on the assumption that
> the bolt will be permanently deformed (and less strength?) and should
> not be reused (but it saves a few cents by using a non-locking nut).
>
> Thanks for your help
>
>
>
> >NO,I'AM saying that 16lbs-ft,is = to 190 lbs-inches.And that the
> units
> >implied by your book are in lbs-inches and not lbs-ft,thats all.
> > It would depend on what you are bolting together,ie;wood or
> metal,are they
> >in shear or tension etc,etc.
> > Just for a non aircraft example,a con.rod nut on a 350 Chevy which
> is
> >3/8nf thread,is torqued to 45 lbs-ft,this stretches the bolt and
> keeps the
> >non locking nut from departing.Most new engine specs are given in a
> low
> >base torque,then X number of degrees added rotation,ie 20 lbs-ft plus
> 90
> >degrees,this is torque to yield,stetching the bolt for max
> >clamping(tension).These bolts are used ONCE then tosed.
> > Doug..
> >----------
> >> From: Dean Dayton <deandayton(at)hotmail.com>
> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> Subject: Re: torque specs
> >> Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 6:59 PM
> >>
> >> Are you saying that a 3/8 bolt should be torqued to less than 16
> ft-
> >> lb? Doesn't this seem low?
> >>
> >>
> >> >.A 3/8 bolt will fail long long before you ever reach 160 lbs- ft.
> >> 190 lbs
> >> >-in.is only 16 lbs ft.
> >> > Doug
> >> >
> >> >----------
> >> >> From: Dean Dayton <deandayton(at)hotmail.com>
> >> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> >> Subject: torque specs
> >> >> Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 5:31 PM
> >> >>
> >> >> I just looked in the "Standard Aircraft Handbook" for the torque
> >> >> spces on a 3/8 inch bolt (fine thread, standard nut). It said
> "160-
> >> >> 190". It didn't give any units. Is this inch-lbs, ft-lbs, ton-
> >> >> lightyear, or what?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Dean Dayton - deandayton(at)hotmail.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Virus warning hoaxes |
I have noted that from time to time people have posted what appear to be
virus hoaxes to this mailing list. While these messages appear to be
helpful, all they really do is cause confusion and pointless fear while
wasting peoples time.
They really are a type of virus, but they are replicated by PEOPLE rather
than COMPUTERS.
The US government has a web site with information on how to identify virus
hoaxes along with some samples at http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html
There are some funny "tongue in cheek" virus hoaxes there as well.
They claim that they spend much more time dealing with hoaxes and rumors
than real viruses. One of the "red flags" for a hoax is a statement asking
you to send the warning to as many people as possible.
Before sending out email about potential viruses please check it out.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | michael list <mclist(at)ptw.com> |
Hey Group!
Just wanted to give you a preliminary report on the 3rd Annual Corona
Piet Fly-In. It was a lot of fun and a good chance to put some faces to
the names we see in the chat group.
The weather Saturday morning was overcast and cool with rain in the
mountain passes, but there were still 2 completed Air Campers, a GN-1, 3
Baby Aces and a Bowers Fly-Baby. Not to mention lots of interesting
projects in the hangars on the field, which is a very active general and
sport flying airport. Things like Piet's, Baby Aces, Marquart Charger
and Waco biplanes, on and on. Oh, and the nearby Chino airport was
having an airshow so we got to see some of the planes that were
participating in it as they waited their turn for airshow center.
When's the last time you had a formation made up of a P-38 Lightning, a
P-63 Kingcobra and two P-51 Mustang's circling around that was joined in
energetic fashion by an F-14 Tomcat? And later an F-117 Stealth Fighter
showed up in all it's faceted glory. Awesome! Conditions were a bit
too rough to give any enjoyable rides in the Piet's, but it was an
excellent opportunity to have spouses try getting into the front pit,
both with and without doors. Hey, that's important!
The local EAA chapter is building an Air Camper and had their wing
panels available for us to look at. The best part was getting to spend
the day talking to other builders from at least 6 on-going projects.
And the dinner at night with tri tip (a California cut of beef), chicken
and good company was great. If you live in the southwest and love Air
Campers and sport flying, you should put this one on your calendar for
2000!
Hat's off to Scott Liefeld for another successful fly-in!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | SAM & JAN MARINUCCI |
Hi Michael
Thanks for the update on Corona. I hope to make it there one of
these days. You mentioned doors for access to the cockpits, are there any
prints available for these doors? I'm about to start on the fuselage for my
Piet. I'm making the longer version with a Continental 65 and would like to
incorporate the doors in mine. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
-----Original Message-----
From: michael list <mclist(at)ptw.com>
Date: Sunday, April 25, 1999 1:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corona '99
>Hey Group!
>
>Just wanted to give you a preliminary report on the 3rd Annual Corona
>Piet Fly-In. It was a lot of fun and a good chance to put some faces to
>the names we see in the chat group.
>
>The weather Saturday morning was overcast and cool with rain in the
>mountain passes, but there were still 2 completed Air Campers, a GN-1, 3
>Baby Aces and a Bowers Fly-Baby. Not to mention lots of interesting
>projects in the hangars on the field, which is a very active general and
>sport flying airport. Things like Piet's, Baby Aces, Marquart Charger
>and Waco biplanes, on and on. Oh, and the nearby Chino airport was
>having an airshow so we got to see some of the planes that were
>participating in it as they waited their turn for airshow center.
>When's the last time you had a formation made up of a P-38 Lightning, a
>P-63 Kingcobra and two P-51 Mustang's circling around that was joined in
>energetic fashion by an F-14 Tomcat? And later an F-117 Stealth Fighter
>showed up in all it's faceted glory. Awesome! Conditions were a bit
>too rough to give any enjoyable rides in the Piet's, but it was an
>excellent opportunity to have spouses try getting into the front pit,
>both with and without doors. Hey, that's important!
>
>The local EAA chapter is building an Air Camper and had their wing
>panels available for us to look at. The best part was getting to spend
>the day talking to other builders from at least 6 on-going projects.
>And the dinner at night with tri tip (a California cut of beef), chicken
>and good company was great. If you live in the southwest and love Air
>Campers and sport flying, you should put this one on your calendar for
>2000!
>
>Hat's off to Scott Liefeld for another successful fly-in!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com> |
Sam: Call gary Price at Yesterday's Wings he has nice plans for doors.
(603)926-5792
John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | SAM & JAN MARINUCCI |
| Subject: | Re: Fuselage doors |
Thanks for the info on the doors John, I'll call him tomorrow.
-----Original Message-----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com> |
>Sam: Call gary Price at Yesterday's Wings he has nice plans for doors.
>(603)926-5792
>
>John
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Routing 3/4 inch spars |
Do not rout the 3/4 in center section spars
Tom
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Routing 3/4 inch spars |
Tom Bowlder:
Did you rout the wing spars (other than center section)? If so, how thick
did you leave the web? My initial thinking is to rout 1/4 inch from each
side, leaving a 1/4 inch web. Would anyone consider that correct? Any other
ideas?
Ed
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Routing 3/4 inch spars |
Tom:
Sorry, my age-induced dyslexia caused me to misspell your name. My apologies.
Ed
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | aerial photo flight with the best |
to everybody,
Along with building an Aircamper and flying an ultralight, once in a
while I fly with a photographer friend and an instructor who is one of
the best female pilots that there is. Even though I have been flying
for quite a few years, it's nice to get a refreshing flight that shows
you "seat of the pants" flying that is still out there.
Had a great flight.....she got some great photos.
it was a great day for visibility, but squirrly.
Walt Evans
to everybody,
Along with building an Aircamper and
flying an
ultralight, once in a while I fly with a photographer friend and an
instructor
who is one of the best female pilots that there is. Even though I
have
been flying for quite a few years, it's nice to get a refreshing flight
that
shows you seat of the pants flying that is still out
there.
Had a great flight.....she got some
great
photos.
it was a great day for visibility,
but
squirrly.
Walt
Evans
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: aerial photo flight with the best |
I too went up today, with my best friend Jeff and his 4-year old
daughter (in a 172). I was very pleased to be giving her her 1st ride
in a small plane -she went in a jet to Fla, but them flying busses
don't count :) . We took some photos, mostly of Lily's smiling face,
but had to head in because of "squirly" winds, too.
I always feel better on days I get to fly.
Richard
--- walter evans wrote:
> to everybody,
> Along with building an Aircamper and flying an ultralight, once in a
> while I fly with a photographer friend and an instructor who is one
> of the best female pilots that there is. Even though I have been
> flying for quite a few years, it's nice to get a refreshing flight
> that shows you "seat of the pants" flying that is still out there.
> Had a great flight.....she got some great photos.
> it was a great day for visibility, but squirrly.
> Walt Evans
>
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| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: aerial photo flight with the best |
Richard,
You hit it right on the head. Life is full of accomplishments, at
different plateau's, once you reach the next, that becomes normal, or
"everyday". And it takes the smile of a person 4 or 80, knowing that you
were part of their next "plateau", that makes it all worthwhile.
ain't life a kick?
walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard DeCosta
Date: Sunday, April 25, 1999 8:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: aerial photo flight with the best
>I too went up today, with my best friend Jeff and his 4-year old
>daughter (in a 172). I was very pleased to be giving her her 1st ride
>in a small plane -she went in a jet to Fla, but them flying busses
>don't count :) . We took some photos, mostly of Lily's smiling face,
>but had to head in because of "squirly" winds, too.
>
>I always feel better on days I get to fly.
>
>Richard
>
>
>--- walter evans wrote:
>> to everybody,
>> Along with building an Aircamper and flying an ultralight, once in a
>> while I fly with a photographer friend and an instructor who is one
>> of the best female pilots that there is. Even though I have been
>> flying for quite a few years, it's nice to get a refreshing flight
>> that shows you "seat of the pants" flying that is still out there.
>> Had a great flight.....she got some great photos.
>> it was a great day for visibility, but squirrly.
>> Walt Evans
>>
>===
>My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
>....Oh that I had wings like a dove! for then would I fly away, and be at
rest. -Psalm 55:6
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| From: | michael list <mclist(at)ptw.com> |
SAM & JAN MARINUCCI wrote:
>
> Hi Michael
> Thanks for the update on Corona. I hope to make it there one of
> these days. You mentioned doors for access to the cockpits, are there any
> prints available for these doors? I'm about to start on the fuselage for my
> Piet. I'm making the longer version with a Continental 65 and would like to
> incorporate the doors in mine. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
>
Sam,
A gentleman by the name of Gary Price sells plans for a door for the
front cockpit that is in the right side of the wood fuselage. I have a
set and they are nicely drawn up. While my wife made it look easy for
the assembled crowd when she got in the front, she confessed to me later
that it would have been much easier with a door. This particular Piet
had the cabane struts slightly longer than plans and a step welded onto
the landing gear below the front cockpit. Try Gary at
GJPrice(at)Javanet.com.
Mike
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
Attention anyone who is flying their Piet/GN-1 into EAA '99
for the 70th year Anniversary of the Pietenpol design.
Bill Rewey will have space for several tent campers on his
(prime....close to Theater In The Woods) campsite for Piet
pilots and passengers. IF the tent camping numbers grow
beyond say five to six tents (smaller two man type) then Bill
can and will reserve the campsite next to his where an
additional 8 to 10 campers can stay. This extra site will
cost Bill approx. $350 to reserve from July 1st. thru the convention
end. Why ? Bill lives a few hours from Osh and sets up his
camper right after July 4th weekend thus insuring one of the
best (read closest) spots in the area. If there is enough interest
Bill will reserve this campsite July 1st so we will take a straw
poll then to see if it's worth his/our while to do so. Bill would
collect $15 per night then to defray his costs of the site.
If we had ten campers stay two nights that would recoup
$300 for him. We will see how things unfold.
NOTE this year's new rule- ALL persons on the flightline MUST
be EAA members !! You can join for a temporary 3 month deal
on site or before, or join for a year. Whatever your flavor, then pay
the daily flightline fees as spelled out in Sport Aviation.
Bill is a super gentleman and has extended this offer to help make
our lives more comfortable at EAA. Please give this consideration
and respond when I re-post this at the end of June. (Bill is not on
e-mail)
All the Best,
Michael Cuy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | If You see your name |
listed below, I request you e-mail me your home
address so I can include you in my mass mailing to obtain
the no radio waiver postcard and notam from EAA/FAA. for Osh.
Thanks !
Mike C.
Brian Kenney
Stan Vander Ploeg
...and anyone else seriously contemplating
making the invasion with us.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Camping |
How do people like me (Piet unfinished, flying a spam can to OSH) get
in on the camping there? or can we? I'd love to be able to bunker down
with all those Piet folk.
Richard
--- Michael Cuy wrote:
> Attention anyone who is flying their Piet/GN-1 into EAA '99
> for the 70th year Anniversary of the Pietenpol design.
> Bill Rewey will have space for several tent campers on his
> (prime....close to Theater In The Woods) campsite for Piet
> pilots and passengers. IF the tent camping numbers grow
> beyond say five to six tents (smaller two man type) then Bill
> can and will reserve the campsite next to his where an
> additional 8 to 10 campers can stay. This extra site will
> cost Bill approx. $350 to reserve from July 1st. thru the convention
> end. Why ? Bill lives a few hours from Osh and sets up his
> camper right after July 4th weekend thus insuring one of the
> best (read closest) spots in the area. If there is enough interest
> Bill will reserve this campsite July 1st so we will take a straw
> poll then to see if it's worth his/our while to do so. Bill would
> collect $15 per night then to defray his costs of the site.
> If we had ten campers stay two nights that would recoup
> $300 for him. We will see how things unfold.
> NOTE this year's new rule- ALL persons on the flightline MUST
> be EAA members !! You can join for a temporary 3 month deal
> on site or before, or join for a year. Whatever your flavor, then
> pay
> the daily flightline fees as spelled out in Sport Aviation.
> Bill is a super gentleman and has extended this offer to help make
> our lives more comfortable at EAA. Please give this consideration
> and respond when I re-post this at the end of June. (Bill is not on
> e-mail)
>
> All the Best,
> Michael Cuy
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Camping |
Sign me up for that deal too!
Warren
Richard DeCosta wrote:
> How do people like me (Piet unfinished, flying a spam can to OSH) get
> in on the camping there? or can we? I'd love to be able to bunker down
> with all those Piet folk.
>
> Richard
>
> --- Michael Cuy wrote:
> > Attention anyone who is flying their Piet/GN-1 into EAA '99
> > for the 70th year Anniversary of the Pietenpol design.
> > Bill Rewey will have space for several tent campers on his
> > (prime....close to Theater In The Woods) campsite for Piet
> > pilots and passengers. IF the tent camping numbers grow
> > beyond say five to six tents (smaller two man type) then Bill
> > can and will reserve the campsite next to his where an
> > additional 8 to 10 campers can stay. This extra site will
> > cost Bill approx. $350 to reserve from July 1st. thru the convention
> > end. Why ? Bill lives a few hours from Osh and sets up his
> > camper right after July 4th weekend thus insuring one of the
> > best (read closest) spots in the area. If there is enough interest
> > Bill will reserve this campsite July 1st so we will take a straw
> > poll then to see if it's worth his/our while to do so. Bill would
> > collect $15 per night then to defray his costs of the site.
> > If we had ten campers stay two nights that would recoup
> > $300 for him. We will see how things unfold.
> > NOTE this year's new rule- ALL persons on the flightline MUST
> > be EAA members !! You can join for a temporary 3 month deal
> > on site or before, or join for a year. Whatever your flavor, then
> > pay
> > the daily flightline fees as spelled out in Sport Aviation.
> > Bill is a super gentleman and has extended this offer to help make
> > our lives more comfortable at EAA. Please give this consideration
> > and respond when I re-post this at the end of June. (Bill is not on
> > e-mail)
> >
> > All the Best,
> > Michael Cuy
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ===
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-Psalm 55:6
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| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Camping |
>How do people like me (Piet unfinished, flying a spam can to OSH) get
>in on the camping there? or can we? I'd love to be able to bunker down
>with all those Piet folk.
>
>Richard
Richard- I should have mentioned that Bill needs to restrict this to Piet
pilots
and thier passengers. Here's the reason- he's got a camper of his own on his
site and with the site next to him accomodate about 15 total tents- the small
kind.
(this is via a phone conversation I had w/ him last eve.) I suspect that we
should
be able to fill that up if all goes as planned, but if the response is only 4
or 5 tent
camper/pilots then we can always ask Bill about reserving that spot next to
him for a limited
number of drive-in Piet folks. Don't quote me on that though :)) I think your
idea is
great, but unfortunately until we get the late June 'head count' on Piets and
Piet campers
we will have to wait this out.
As a side note to those of you driving and seeking decent rooms without
spending
a fortune, contact RIPON UNIVERSITY EAA housing and see what they have.
Everybody wants to stay at the dorm rooms at Univ.Wisc. Osh, but guess what-
they
book those a year in advance it seems like. We have stayed (this year too) at
Ripon
an just loved it. About a 30-35 min. ride from Whittman Field and it is one of
the nicest,
quiet, peaceful little towns in Wisc. Not a ton of places to eat, etc. but
just perfect
for a bed, shower, and rest.
Mike C.
How do people like me (Piet unfinished, flying a spam can to OSH)
get
in on the camping there? or can we? I'd love to be able to bunker
down
with all those Piet folk.
Richard
Richard- I should have mentioned that Bill needs to restrict this to
Piet pilots
and thier passengers. Here's the reason- he's got a camper of his
own on his
site and with the site next to him accomodate about 15 total tents- the
small kind.
(this is via a phone conversation I had w/ him last eve.) I suspect
that we should
be able to fill that up if all goes as planned, but if the response is
only 4 or 5 tent
camper/pilots then we can always ask Bill about reserving that spot
next to him for a limited
number of drive-in Piet folks. Don't quote me on that though
:)) I think your idea is
great, but unfortunately until we get the late June 'head count' on Piets
and Piet campers
we will have to wait this out.
As a side note to those of you driving and
seeking decent rooms without spending
a fortune, contact RIPON UNIVERSITY EAA housing and see what they
have.
Everybody wants to stay at the dorm rooms at Univ.Wisc. Osh, but guess
what- they
book those a year in advance it seems like. We have stayed (this
year too) at Ripon
an just loved it. About a 30-35 min. ride from Whittman Field and
it is one of the nicest,
quiet, peaceful little towns in Wisc. Not a ton of places to eat,
etc. but just perfect
for a bed, shower, and rest.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | greg(at)controlvision.com (Greg Yotz) |
| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Camping |
Michael, do you have a phone number handy for RIPON UNIVERSITY EAA
housing? And is there public ground transport available or do you have
to drive individually?
Greg Yotz
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov>
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: Oshkosh Camping
>How do people like me (Piet unfinished, flying a spam can to OSH)
get
>in on the camping there? or can we? I'd love to be able to bunker
down
>with all those Piet folk.
>
>Richard
Richard- I should have mentioned that Bill needs to restrict this to
Piet pilots
and thier passengers. Here's the reason- he's got a camper of his
own on his
site and with the site next to him accomodate about 15 total tents-
the small kind.
(this is via a phone conversation I had w/ him last eve.) I suspect
that we should
be able to fill that up if all goes as planned, but if the response
is only 4 or 5 tent
camper/pilots then we can always ask Bill about reserving that spot
next to him for a limited
number of drive-in Piet folks. Don't quote me on that though :)) I
think your idea is
great, but unfortunately until we get the late June 'head count' on
Piets and Piet campers
we will have to wait this out.
As a side note to those of you driving and seeking decent
rooms without spending
a fortune, contact RIPON UNIVERSITY EAA housing and see what they
have.
Everybody wants to stay at the dorm rooms at Univ.Wisc. Osh, but
guess what- they
book those a year in advance it seems like. We have stayed (this
year too) at Ripon
an just loved it. About a 30-35 min. ride from Whittman Field and
it is one of the nicest,
quiet, peaceful little towns in Wisc. Not a ton of places to eat,
etc. but just perfect
for a bed, shower, and rest.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Transient Parking/Camping |
Richard/group- If you are arriving via Cessna/Piper, etc.
they park you WAY far away from the Theater in the Woods but
the good news is that you can camp right under your wing.
They do have trams/shuttles that run up and down the flight
line. We tried to ride a bike back and forth once but they DO
no allow them inside the fence of the grounds. You lock em' up
at the gates. We found out the hard way.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craig Lawler <clawler(at)ptd.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Camping |
x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"
Mike C.,
To get the full experience of the show I really think it's important to
sleep under the wing and enjoy the showers, rain, heat, and ect. on the
field. I must admit we'll be there, but I think I'm going to wimp out.
We'll come in the 182. Pa to OSH is a little far. Might get lost with no
GPS,VORs, Arnav, IFR controllers, ect. Great Piet flying weather in Pa
lately. Lots of time in. Gave a 6 year old friend a ride the other
night. She had a blast. I had more fun though.
Craig
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Transient Parking/Camping |
Do you have to make any arrangements before arriving, or do they just
direct GA a/c to that area on arrival? I think even camping under a
Cessna still sounds like heaven on earth. This will be my first year at
OSH, and I'll be too wide-eyed and busy gawking to care about riding a
tram.
Richard
--- Michael Cuy wrote:
> Richard/group- If you are arriving via Cessna/Piper, etc.
> they park you WAY far away from the Theater in the Woods but
> the good news is that you can camp right under your wing.
> They do have trams/shuttles that run up and down the flight
> line. We tried to ride a bike back and forth once but they DO
> no allow them inside the fence of the grounds. You lock em' up
> at the gates. We found out the hard way.
>
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| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Never too late.... |
Craig Lawler- I certainly understand why you'd want to
take the Cessna to OSH, but if you change your mind
let us know so we can reserve a spot for you on the
flightline at Osh. PS- Did I mention we need to float a few
Piets at Osh. for the daily Showcase formation ???
Or maybe I forgot to say that chances are your plane would
be included in the huge photo of all of us on the flightline
in Sport Aviation next winter ?? or did I tell you how they
give you a 'perseverance award' and glass/pewter mug if
this is the first time you've ever flown a plane you built into
Osh ?? or the.......sorry, I digress !!!
Mike C.
Craig Lawler- I certainly understand why you'd want to
take the Cessna to OSH, but if you change your mind
let us know so we can reserve a spot for you on the
flightline at Osh. PS- Did I mention we need
to float a few
Piets at Osh. for the daily Showcase formation ???
Or maybe I forgot to say that chances are
your plane would
be included in the huge photo of all of us on the flightline
in Sport Aviation next winter ?? or did I tell you how
they
give you a 'perseverance award' and glass/pewter mug if
this is the first time you've ever flown a plane you built into
Osh ?? or the.......sorry, I digress !!!
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Transient Parking/Camping |
>Do you have to make any arrangements before arriving, or do they just
>direct GA a/c to that area on arrival? I think even camping under a
>Cessna still sounds like heaven on earth. This will be my first year at
>OSH, and I'll be too wide-eyed and busy gawking to care about riding a
>tram.
>
>Richard
Richard- you will have a blast for sure then. You will also be blown
away. General Av. a/c get first come, first serve parking until they fill
up, then you are really in deep doo-doo....meaning they divert you to
anywhere but Oshkosh. I don't know if this happens every year or not.
You might want to show up a day before the show starts.
PS- you can get the NOTAM for OSH arrival/dep procedures sometime in
June I think from your local FSDO or as posted in Sport Aviation.
No radio is a piece of cake. Never went in radio but all I know is you don't
do ANY talking. They do. You just fly and rock your wings.
Mike C>
Do you have to make any arrangements before arriving, or do they
just
direct GA a/c to that area on arrival? I think even camping under
a
Cessna still sounds like heaven on earth. This will be my first year
at
OSH, and I'll be too wide-eyed and busy gawking to care about riding
a
tram.
Richard
Richard- you will have a blast for sure then. You will also be
blown
away. General Av. a/c get first come, first serve parking until
they fill
up, then you are really in deep doo-doo....meaning they divert you
to
anywhere but Oshkosh. I don't know if this happens every year or
not.
You might want to show up a day before the show starts.
PS- you can get the NOTAM for OSH arrival/dep procedures sometime
in
June I think from your local FSDO or as posted in Sport Aviation.
No radio is a piece of cake. Never went in radio but all I know is
you don't
do ANY talking. They do. You just fly and rock your wings.
Mike C
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC" |
Mike C.
NO I haven't flown it since the third flight. The first two flights were
good, at least I made it back on the ground safely. The flights weren't
perfect though, I found I have an engine breathing problem to sort out. I am
fixing that this week. The third flight on the same day (some say I should
have stayed on the ground after the first flight... I would have been a
hero), however was not so good. After talking to Brian Kenney and giving him
a play by play on the set-up, I think I was coming in too slow so my decent
was higher than the previous 2 flights. Consequently I had a rather hard
landing. One I might add I will never forget or do again(I hope). The right
side gear bent just where it should have bent. The good thing is I found the
weakness in the gear early and sustained no other damage. The Material I
used was 4130 Cond. N Streamline tubing. I suppose I sould have welded
gussets to support the weldment, but hindsite is a good thing...No? Anyway I
did not upset the aircraft or ding anything else. No damage at all to the
fuselage, for which I am thankfull. I cant believe that the gear did not
colapse. The only thing that happened was , it bent just above the weld at
above the axle. It slid on the inside edge of the axle, first on the
pavement then onto grass.
The gussets are noe tacked in place, after the camber and toe-in was set.
I'll get that side back next week-end. Then I'll have to weld gussets to the
undamaged side as well. So... looks like a 2-3 week affair. I now have a
good understanding of the true field fix. This is all I have for now.
Domenic
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Camping |
Personally, I think the ablsoute BEST way to experience OSH is on floats.
There are usually about 100-200 floatplanes at any given time moored in
the lagoon. You taxi up to the docks when you arrive and unload your gear
putting it in a small mule cart. You're plane is then towed by one of
thier highly experienced volunteers to the mooring. They use a rather
ingenious towing sustem that actually allows them to backup and rotate
your plane in any direction. The bridle system is also interesting. It
slides over each prop blade and is then held together by a third rope.
Let's face it, after watching Patty Wagstaff do one of her vertical
maneuvers, it's easy to see that the prop hub is more than strong enough.
The camp grounds are located under teh tree canopy away from the main base
and they have all the amenities of the main area plus swimming, if you can
get over the look of the green water in Lake Winnabago. The green water is
actually formed from a natural occuring algae that's infested the water
for centuries. In fact, Winnabago is actually an Indian word meaning
"smelly water". This will certainly bring a smile to your face the next
time your stuck behind a Winnabago doing 45 mph on the freeway ;-).
There is a regular shuttle service to and from OSH. However, the last run
is a little on the early side as we found out the hard way. Fortunately,
one of the seaplane base volunteers passed us after we had walked about
1/2 mile. He recognized us and offered us a lift. You gotta love those
people.
The seaplane base also has it's own activities. When we arrived in '92, we
were just in time for the big BBQ sponsored by EDO. $5.00 bought you all
the steak you could eat and all the beer you could drink. After 6 days of
travelling, this was very welcome indeed. We were entertained by stories
from a veteran WWII female ferry pilot. She was very articulate and quite
enjoyable and was accompanied by a slide show of pictures she had
taken.Unfortunately, her name escapes me.
Arrival and departure procedures are a lot easier than OSH. First, the
control zone crossed right over the lagoon. This means that you can land
during the OSH airshow as long as you touch down outside the control zone
and taxi in. Second, there is no need to ever contact OSH. Sure makes it
easy.
The only problem I had was with not being able to see more than a foot
below the surface, making it impossible to see the bottom or any
obstructions. Fortunately, a Beaver was in front of me and I knew that he
drafted more than the C-180 I was flying. I followed his wake right to the
dock ;-). Later we found out that there are now underwater obstructions
any where near the base.
Anyway, enough rambling. If you have a choice of wheels of floats to OSH,
I would certainly go the float route. Granted, that will kind of defeat
the whole "fly-in together" thing ;-)
Later,
Ken
On Mon, 26 Apr 1999, Craig Lawler wrote:
> Mike C.,
>
> To get the full experience of the show I really think it's important to
> sleep under the wing and enjoy the showers, rain, heat, and ect. on the
> field. I must admit we'll be there, but I think I'm going to wimp out.
> We'll come in the 182. Pa to OSH is a little far. Might get lost with no
> GPS,VORs, Arnav, IFR controllers, ect. Great Piet flying weather in Pa
> lately. Lots of time in. Gave a 6 year old friend a ride the other
> night. She had a blast. I had more fun though.
>
> Craig
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
>
> Michael, do you have a phone number handy for RIPON UNIVERSITY EAA housing?
> And is there public ground transport available or do you have to drive
> individually?
>
> Greg Yotz
Greg- You bet. Call Lisa Sone at 920-748-8164/msg. and leave your name and
address and
she will immediately send out info about their accommodations. According to
her voice mail
message ( I just called) there are some rooms still available for EAA.
Not sure about ground transport......she'll be able to fill you in on that.
Mike C.
PS- these aren't fancy rooms by any means.....but it beats
camping on a night with thunderstorms and tornado warnings......
Michael, do you have a phone
number handy for RIPON UNIVERSITY EAA housing? And is there public
ground transport available or do you have to drive
individually?
Greg Yotz
Greg- You bet. Call Lisa Sone at
920-748-8164/msg. and leave your name and address and
she will immediately send out info about their accommodations.
According to her voice mail
message ( I just called) there are some rooms still available
for EAA.
Not sure about ground transport......she'll be able to fill you in on
that.
Mike C.
PS- these aren't fancy rooms by any means.....but it beats
camping on a night with thunderstorms and tornado warnings......
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | greg(at)controlvision.com (Greg Yotz) |
Thanks Michael I've already called and given all the info. Hopefully
I'll have a packet soon.
Greg Yotz
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov>
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 12:53 PM
Subject: Ripon Dorms
Michael, do you have a phone number handy for RIPON UNIVERSITY
EAA housing? And is there public ground transport available or do you
have to drive individually?
Greg Yotz
Greg- You bet. Call Lisa Sone at 920-748-8164/msg. and leave your
name and address and
she will immediately send out info about their accommodations.
According to her voice mail
message ( I just called) there are some rooms still available for
EAA.
Not sure about ground transport......she'll be able to fill you in
on that.
Mike C.
PS- these aren't fancy rooms by any means.....but it beats
camping on a night with thunderstorms and tornado warnings......
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craig Lawler <clawler(at)ptd.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Transient Parking/Camping |
x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"
Richard,
We have missed only a couple of OSH and Sun & Fun shows over the years,
and it is truly remarkable how well they handle the aircraft arrivals
and departures. Just be sure to get the notam and follow the
instructions. Followed an E-2 cub into Sun & Fun this year with our 182.
The stall warning horn was on alot, but no problem. Same procedures as
OSH.
Craig
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craig Lawler <clawler(at)ptd.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Never too late.... |
x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"
Mike C.
Is this the hard sell or what?
Craig
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Oshkosh Camping |
I would definatly go out of my way to see a piet on floats.
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Behalf Of Ken
> Beanlands
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 1999 11:58 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Oshkosh Camping
>
>
> Personally, I think the ablsoute BEST way to experience OSH
> is on floats.
> There are usually about 100-200 floatplanes at any given time
> moored in
> the lagoon. You taxi up to the docks when you arrive and
> unload your gear
> putting it in a small mule cart. You're plane is then towed by one of
> thier highly experienced volunteers to the mooring. They use a rather
> ingenious towing sustem that actually allows them to backup and rotate
> your plane in any direction. The bridle system is also interesting. It
> slides over each prop blade and is then held together by a third rope.
> Let's face it, after watching Patty Wagstaff do one of her vertical
> maneuvers, it's easy to see that the prop hub is more than
> strong enough.
>
> The camp grounds are located under teh tree canopy away from
> the main base
> and they have all the amenities of the main area plus
> swimming, if you can
> get over the look of the green water in Lake Winnabago. The
> green water is
> actually formed from a natural occuring algae that's infested
> the water
> for centuries. In fact, Winnabago is actually an Indian word meaning
> "smelly water". This will certainly bring a smile to your
> face the next
> time your stuck behind a Winnabago doing 45 mph on the freeway ;-).
>
> There is a regular shuttle service to and from OSH. However,
> the last run
> is a little on the early side as we found out the hard way.
> Fortunately,
> one of the seaplane base volunteers passed us after we had
> walked about
> 1/2 mile. He recognized us and offered us a lift. You gotta love those
> people.
>
> The seaplane base also has it's own activities. When we
> arrived in '92, we
> were just in time for the big BBQ sponsored by EDO. $5.00
> bought you all
> the steak you could eat and all the beer you could drink.
> After 6 days of
> travelling, this was very welcome indeed. We were entertained
> by stories
> from a veteran WWII female ferry pilot. She was very
> articulate and quite
> enjoyable and was accompanied by a slide show of pictures she had
> taken.Unfortunately, her name escapes me.
>
> Arrival and departure procedures are a lot easier than OSH. First, the
> control zone crossed right over the lagoon. This means that
> you can land
> during the OSH airshow as long as you touch down outside the
> control zone
> and taxi in. Second, there is no need to ever contact OSH.
> Sure makes it
> easy.
>
> The only problem I had was with not being able to see more than a foot
> below the surface, making it impossible to see the bottom or any
> obstructions. Fortunately, a Beaver was in front of me and I
> knew that he
> drafted more than the C-180 I was flying. I followed his wake
> right to the
> dock ;-). Later we found out that there are now underwater
> obstructions
> any where near the base.
>
> Anyway, enough rambling. If you have a choice of wheels of
> floats to OSH,
> I would certainly go the float route. Granted, that will kind
> of defeat
> the whole "fly-in together" thing ;-)
>
> Later,
> Ken
>
> On Mon, 26 Apr 1999, Craig Lawler wrote:
>
> > Mike C.,
> >
> > To get the full experience of the show I really think it's
> important to
> > sleep under the wing and enjoy the showers, rain, heat, and
> ect. on the
> > field. I must admit we'll be there, but I think I'm going
> to wimp out.
> > We'll come in the 182. Pa to OSH is a little far. Might get
> lost with no
> > GPS,VORs, Arnav, IFR controllers, ect. Great Piet flying
> weather in Pa
> > lately. Lots of time in. Gave a 6 year old friend a ride the other
> > night. She had a blast. I had more fun though.
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Routing 3/4 inch spars |
I repeat, DO NOT ROUT 3 / 4 INCH SPARS!!!!!!!!
I have the one inch thick spars which are routed ACCORDING TO
PLANS!!
Sorry to sound so adamant. Please read the plans. If you have the
one inch spars, rout according to the plans. If you are using 3 / 4 inch
spars do not rout them.
I am not an aeronautical (or any other kind of ) engineer. I
followed the plans.
Disclaimer: My Piet is close but is not yet flying. I have attended
Brodhead every year since 1991. I have learned from the traditional
masters, Vi Kapler, Ed Sampson Frank and Frank Pavliga, Virl Deal, Brian
Kenney and others. Of all the advice I have received over the years the
most prevelant has been FOLLOW THE PLANS!
This is not to discount the efforts of Garry Price, Steve Eldredge,
or Mike Cuy who have taken the 70 year old design and improved upon it in
excellent ways. It is just to say those of us who are not all that smart
can have a wonderful aiplane that flys great and is as much fun as you
can legally have in the air by FOLLOWING THE PLANS!
Did I mention it is important to FOLLOW THE PLANS!
Thanks for the indulgence.
Have fun!
Tom
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "R. Mueller" <rmueller7(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Never too late.... |
> give you a 'perseverance award' and glass/pewter mug if
> this is the first time you've ever flown a plane you built into Osh
Wow...when they give you a perserverance award for just flying in the first
time, you know it's gonna be an "experience"...
Ryan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "R. Mueller" <rmueller7(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Camping |
>Let's face it, after watching Patty Wagstaff do one of her vertical
>maneuvers, it's easy to see that the prop hub is more than strong enough.
Well, the engine in your 180 might not be as strong as Patty Wagstaff's
Lycoming IO-2Much-For-This-Engine, but 'tis a valid point nonetheless. ;)
Ryan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Hi, to all,
I had gotten a catalog from Harbor Sales in MD. Maybe you more
experienced guys know better, but I thought I'd share what I found out.
I called them tonite about getting a piece of 1/16" ply for leading
edge(was going to have it cut in 9" widths x 8' for UPS shipping.
Well what she told me was that they would ship it for free to my house
by their truck.
I couldn't believe it and asked her to explain. She said again that we
would truck it to my house for free, usually the next day.
It sounded too good to be true, so I decided to go the 9" wide route for
UPS. Just wanted to spread the word( unless this is old knowledge to
you guys)the specs are:
The Harbor Sales Co.
100 Harbor ct.
Sudlersville, MD21668-1818
800-345-1712
PS their ad says delivery nationwide!
Hi, to all,
I had gotten a catalog from Harbor
Sales in
MD. Maybe you more experienced guys know better, but I thought I'd
share
what I found out.
I called them tonite about getting a
piece of
1/16 ply for leading edge(was going to have it cut in 9
widths x 8'
for UPS shipping.
Well what she told me was that they
would ship
it for free to my house by their truck.
I couldn't believe it and asked her
to explain.
She said again that we would truck it to my house for free, usually the
next
day.
It sounded too good to be true, so I
decided to
go the 9 wide route for UPS. Just wanted to spread the word(
unless
this is old knowledge to you guys)the specs are:
The Harbor Sales Co.
100 Harbor ct.
Sudlersville,
MD21668-1818
800-345-1712
PS their ad says delivery
nationwide!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: buying plywood |
All the plywood on my Piet so far (28 ribs, 2 fuse sides, and the vert
stab) came from Harbor Sales. Good plywood, tho they didnt ship
anywhere near free. How'd you manage that?
--- walter evans wrote:
> Hi, to all,
> I had gotten a catalog from Harbor Sales in MD. Maybe you more
> experienced guys know better, but I thought I'd share what I found
> out.
> I called them tonite about getting a piece of 1/16" ply for leading
> edge(was going to have it cut in 9" widths x 8' for UPS shipping.
> Well what she told me was that they would ship it for free to my
> house by their truck.
> I couldn't believe it and asked her to explain. She said again that
> we would truck it to my house for free, usually the next day.
> It sounded too good to be true, so I decided to go the 9" wide route
> for UPS. Just wanted to spread the word( unless this is old
> knowledge to you guys)the specs are:
> The Harbor Sales Co.
> 100 Harbor ct.
> Sudlersville, MD21668-1818
> 800-345-1712
> PS their ad says delivery nationwide!
>
Hi, to all,
I had gotten a catalog from Harbor
Sales in
MD. Maybe you more experienced guys know better, but I thought
I'd share
what I found out.
I called them tonite about getting a
piece of
1/16 ply for leading edge(was going to have it cut in 9
widths x 8'
for UPS shipping.
Well what she told me was that they
would ship
it for free to my house by their truck.
I couldn't believe it and asked her to
explain.
She said again that we would truck it to my house for free, usually the
next
day.
It sounded too good to be true, so I
decided to
go the 9 wide route for UPS. Just wanted to spread the
word( unless
this is old knowledge to you guys)the specs are:
The Harbor Sales Co.
100 Harbor ct.
Sudlersville, MD21668-1818
800-345-1712
PS their ad says delivery
nationwide!
===
My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
....Oh that I had wings like a dove! for then would I fly away, and be at rest.
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | lpasley <lpasley(at)aristotle.net> |
| Subject: | Re: First flight |
Hope I have better luck. Last Thursday N4057T - (a GN-1) had its conformaty
(sp?) inspection. All is well. Friday I arranged for a bienannual flight
review next week and have made arrangements for some tailwheel tng. Then
Saturday I bought a Stitts Playboy project, less engine. It should keep me
off the streets for a couple of years. Some people never learn.
> Mike C.
> NO I haven't flown it since the third flight. The first two flights were
> good, at least I made it back on the ground safely. The flights weren't
> perfect though, I found I have an engine breathing problem to sort out. I
am
> fixing that this week. The third flight on the same day (some say I should
> have stayed on the ground after the first flight... I would have been a
> hero), however was not so good. After talking to Brian Kenney and giving
him
> a play by play on the set-up, I think I was coming in too slow so my
decent
> was higher than the previous 2 flights. Consequently I had a rather hard
> landing. One I might add I will never forget or do again(I hope). The
right
> side gear bent just where it should have bent. The good thing is I found
the
> weakness in the gear early and sustained no other damage. The Material I
> used was 4130 Cond. N Streamline tubing. I suppose I sould have welded
> gussets to support the weldment, but hindsite is a good thing...No?
Anyway I
> did not upset the aircraft or ding anything else. No damage at all to the
> fuselage, for which I am thankfull. I cant believe that the gear did not
> colapse. The only thing that happened was , it bent just above the weld at
> above the axle. It slid on the inside edge of the axle, first on the
> pavement then onto grass.
> The gussets are noe tacked in place, after the camber and toe-in was set.
> I'll get that side back next week-end. Then I'll have to weld gussets to
the
> undamaged side as well. So... looks like a 2-3 week affair. I now have a
> good understanding of the true field fix. This is all I have for now.
> Domenic
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ted Brousseau <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
| Subject: | Re: First flight |
Domenic,
Sounds like you got good advice. I find that the Piet almost has to be
pointed at the ground on the approach. I hold the "dive bomber" attitude
until I am 1' off the ground and then flare for a great 3 point landing. I
actually fly the approach faster than my cruise ( I cruise very low and
slow). Every once and a while I revert to my Cessna 140 approach and really
pancake in. I have to carry speed into the flare.
Ted
>Mike C.
>NO I haven't flown it since the third flight. The first two flights were
>good, at least I made it back on the ground safely. The flights weren't
>perfect though, I found I have an engine breathing problem to sort out. I am
>fixing that this week. The third flight on the same day (some say I should
>have stayed on the ground after the first flight... I would have been a
>hero), however was not so good. After talking to Brian Kenney and giving him
>a play by play on the set-up, I think I was coming in too slow so my decent
>was higher than the previous 2 flights. Consequently I had a rather hard
>landing. One I might add I will never forget or do again(I hope). The right
>side gear bent just where it should have bent. The good thing is I found the
>weakness in the gear early and sustained no other damage. The Material I
>used was 4130 Cond. N Streamline tubing. I suppose I sould have welded
>gussets to support the weldment, but hindsite is a good thing...No? Anyway I
>did not upset the aircraft or ding anything else. No damage at all to the
>fuselage, for which I am thankfull. I cant believe that the gear did not
>colapse. The only thing that happened was , it bent just above the weld at
>above the axle. It slid on the inside edge of the axle, first on the
>pavement then onto grass.
>The gussets are noe tacked in place, after the camber and toe-in was set.
>I'll get that side back next week-end. Then I'll have to weld gussets to the
>undamaged side as well. So... looks like a 2-3 week affair. I now have a
>good understanding of the true field fix. This is all I have for now.
>Domenic
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | arkiesacres(at)juno.com |
| Subject: | Re: buying plywood |
Where do you live? Close to them?
I live in Calif and will be needing about 28 sheets of plywood if I
decide to build my Catamaran and I have a catalog from Boulter PLywood
Corp and they are not free shipping.
1/16" 3 ply okoume bs 1088 4' x 8' $49.00
1/16" aircraft grade 3 ply $59.00 5' x 5'
What is Harbors price for 1/4" Marine Ply 4' x 8' ?
Exterior 1/4" 4' x 8' ?
Thanks
Gordon
writes:
>
>
>Hi, to all,
>I had gotten a catalog from Harbor Sales in MD. Maybe you more
>experienced guys know better, but I thought I'd share what I found
>out.
>I called them tonite about getting a piece of 1/16" ply for leading
>edge(was going to have it cut in 9" widths x 8' for UPS shipping.
>Well what she told me was that they would ship it for free to my house
>=
>by their truck.
>I couldn't believe it and asked her to explain. She said again that we
>=
>would truck it to my house for free, usually the next day.
>It sounded too good to be true, so I decided to go the 9" wide route
>for
>UPS. Just wanted to spread the word( unless this is old knowledge to
>=
>you guys)the specs are:
>The Harbor Sales Co.
>100 Harbor ct.
>Sudlersville, MD21668-1818
>800-345-1712
>PS their ad says delivery nationwide!
>
>
>Hi, to all,
>I had gotten a catalog from Harbor
>=
>Sales in
>MD. Maybe you more experienced guys know better, but I thought
>I'd
>share
>what I found out.
>I called them tonite about getting
>a
>piece of
>1/16 ply for leading edge(was going to have it cut in 9
>widths x 8'
>for UPS shipping.
>Well what she told me was that
>they
>would ship
>it for free to my house by their truck.
>I couldn't believe it and asked
>her
>to explain.
>She said again that we would truck it to my house for free, usually
>the
>next
>day.
>It sounded too good to be true, so
>I
>decided to
>go the 9 wide route for UPS. Just wanted to spread the
>word(
>unless
>this is old knowledge to you guys)the specs are:
>The Harbor Sales Co.
>100 Harbor ct.
>Sudlersville,
>MD21668-1818
>800-345-1712
>PS their ad says delivery
>nationwide!
>
>
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
Am building a piet, but found a deal on a Jr. Ace at Sun n Fun I couldn't
turn down. does anyone know of a site for the Jr. Ace?
Flew George Read's Piet while in Fla. before Sun n Fun. Really a different
flying machine. Am glad I'm not too far along to incorporate a few of the
minor changes to fit my size.
thanks Barry
bed(at)mindspring.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: buying plywood |
Richard,
Like I said in my letter, it seemed too good to be true, so I decided to
go with the "cut in slices and send UPS".
I just figured that there would be some sort of hidden COD charges or
whatever.
I had asked her to repeat it because I thought I'd heard wrong.
Oh well, at least they didn't have a problem cutting it to special size.
Even though I never really had a problem with Aircraft Spruce, that was one
of the snags....they wouldn't cut plywood for UPS shipment.
Live and learn.
walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard DeCosta
Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 8:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying plywood
>All the plywood on my Piet so far (28 ribs, 2 fuse sides, and the vert
>stab) came from Harbor Sales. Good plywood, tho they didnt ship
>anywhere near free. How'd you manage that?
>
>
>--- walter evans wrote:
>> Hi, to all,
>> I had gotten a catalog from Harbor Sales in MD. Maybe you more
>> experienced guys know better, but I thought I'd share what I found
>> out.
>> I called them tonite about getting a piece of 1/16" ply for leading
>> edge(was going to have it cut in 9" widths x 8' for UPS shipping.
>> Well what she told me was that they would ship it for free to my
>> house by their truck.
>> I couldn't believe it and asked her to explain. She said again that
>> we would truck it to my house for free, usually the next day.
>> It sounded too good to be true, so I decided to go the 9" wide route
>> for UPS. Just wanted to spread the word( unless this is old
>> knowledge to you guys)the specs are:
>> The Harbor Sales Co.
>> 100 Harbor ct.
>> Sudlersville, MD21668-1818
>> 800-345-1712
>> PS their ad says delivery nationwide!
>>
>
>
>Hi, to all,
>I had gotten a catalog from Harbor
>Sales in
>MD. Maybe you more experienced guys know better, but I thought
>I'd share
>what I found out.
>I called them tonite about getting a
>piece of
>1/16 ply for leading edge(was going to have it cut in 9
>widths x 8'
>for UPS shipping.
>Well what she told me was that they
>would ship
>it for free to my house by their truck.
>I couldn't believe it and asked her to
>explain.
>She said again that we would truck it to my house for free, usually the
>next
>day.
>It sounded too good to be true, so I
>decided to
>go the 9 wide route for UPS. Just wanted to spread the
>word( unless
>this is old knowledge to you guys)the specs are:
>The Harbor Sales Co.
>100 Harbor ct.
>Sudlersville, MD21668-1818
>800-345-1712
>PS their ad says delivery
>nationwide!
>
>
>===
>My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
>....Oh that I had wings like a dove! for then would I fly away, and be at
rest. -Psalm 55:6
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| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: buying plywood |
Gordon,
Give them a call, and get their catalog....800-345-1712
and see if they tell you what they told me about free trucking .
it won't even cost a dime!
walt
ps they are in Baltimore,,,I'm in Northern NJ
-----Original Message-----
From: arkiesacres(at)juno.com
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 12:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying plywood
>Where do you live? Close to them?
>
>I live in Calif and will be needing about 28 sheets of plywood if I
>decide to build my Catamaran and I have a catalog from Boulter PLywood
>Corp and they are not free shipping.
>
>1/16" 3 ply okoume bs 1088 4' x 8' $49.00
>1/16" aircraft grade 3 ply $59.00 5' x 5'
>
>What is Harbors price for 1/4" Marine Ply 4' x 8' ?
>Exterior 1/4" 4' x 8' ?
>
>Thanks
>
>Gordon
>
>
> writes:
>>
>>
>>Hi, to all,
>>I had gotten a catalog from Harbor Sales in MD. Maybe you more
>>experienced guys know better, but I thought I'd share what I found
>>out.
>>I called them tonite about getting a piece of 1/16" ply for leading
>>edge(was going to have it cut in 9" widths x 8' for UPS shipping.
>>Well what she told me was that they would ship it for free to my house
>>=
>>by their truck.
>>I couldn't believe it and asked her to explain. She said again that we
>>=
>>would truck it to my house for free, usually the next day.
>>It sounded too good to be true, so I decided to go the 9" wide route
>>for
>>UPS. Just wanted to spread the word( unless this is old knowledge to
>>=
>>you guys)the specs are:
>>The Harbor Sales Co.
>>100 Harbor ct.
>>Sudlersville, MD21668-1818
>>800-345-1712
>>PS their ad says delivery nationwide!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi, to all,
>>I had gotten a catalog from Harbor
>>=
>>Sales in
>>MD. Maybe you more experienced guys know better, but I thought
>>I'd
>>share
>>what I found out.
>>I called them tonite about getting
>>a
>>piece of
>>1/16 ply for leading edge(was going to have it cut in 9
>>widths x 8'
>>for UPS shipping.
>>Well what she told me was that
>>they
>>would ship
>>it for free to my house by their truck.
>>I couldn't believe it and asked
>>her
>>to explain.
>>She said again that we would truck it to my house for free, usually
>>the
>>next
>>day.
>>It sounded too good to be true, so
>>I
>>decided to
>>go the 9 wide route for UPS. Just wanted to spread the
>>word(
>>unless
>>this is old knowledge to you guys)the specs are:
>>The Harbor Sales Co.
>>100 Harbor ct.
>>Sudlersville,
>>MD21668-1818
>>800-345-1712
>>PS their ad says delivery
>>nationwide!
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ron Gipson <ronr(at)onlinemac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: buying plywood |
Gordon,
You might try B&D International for your plywood.
1/16" 3 ply 61"X61" Aircraft quality .............................42.00
1/4 " 5 ply Finland Birch 60"X60"................................29.00
All prices are f.o.b. Tacoma, WA but they do have interesting stuff and are
willing to cut for shipping.
their number is: 1-800-222-7853.
Also, to everybody,
I am taking the plans to a friend of mine that owns a machine shop to
have him fabricate all the metal parts for me. ( Yes, I am not such a
purest that I have to make everything myself.) We are looking to have two
sets of everthing made. It may be cheaper by the dozen. If there is anyone
interested in knowing what this will cost, you know how to reach me.
Ron Gipson
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
Sent: Monday, April 26, 1999 9:08 PM
| Subject: | Re: buying plywood |
> Where do you live? Close to them?
>
> I live in Calif and will be needing about 28 sheets of plywood if I
> decide to build my Catamaran and I have a catalog from Boulter PLywood
> Corp and they are not free shipping.
>
> 1/16" 3 ply okoume bs 1088 4' x 8' $49.00
> 1/16" aircraft grade 3 ply $59.00 5' x 5'
>
> What is Harbors price for 1/4" Marine Ply 4' x 8' ?
> Exterior 1/4" 4' x 8' ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Gordon
>
>
> writes:
> >
> >
> >Hi, to all,
> >I had gotten a catalog from Harbor Sales in MD. Maybe you more
> >experienced guys know better, but I thought I'd share what I found
> >out.
> >I called them tonite about getting a piece of 1/16" ply for leading
> >edge(was going to have it cut in 9" widths x 8' for UPS shipping.
> >Well what she told me was that they would ship it for free to my house
> >=
> >by their truck.
> >I couldn't believe it and asked her to explain. She said again that we
> >=
> >would truck it to my house for free, usually the next day.
> >It sounded too good to be true, so I decided to go the 9" wide route
> >for
> >UPS. Just wanted to spread the word( unless this is old knowledge to
> >=
> >you guys)the specs are:
> >The Harbor Sales Co.
> >100 Harbor ct.
> >Sudlersville, MD21668-1818
> >800-345-1712
> >PS their ad says delivery nationwide!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Hi, to all,
> >I had gotten a catalog from Harbor
> >=
> >Sales in
> >MD. Maybe you more experienced guys know better, but I thought
> >I'd
> >share
> >what I found out.
> >I called them tonite about getting
> >a
> >piece of
> >1/16 ply for leading edge(was going to have it cut in 9
> >widths x 8'
> >for UPS shipping.
> >Well what she told me was that
> >they
> >would ship
> >it for free to my house by their truck.
> >I couldn't believe it and asked
> >her
> >to explain.
> >She said again that we would truck it to my house for free, usually
> >the
> >next
> >day.
> >It sounded too good to be true, so
> >I
> >decided to
> >go the 9 wide route for UPS. Just wanted to spread the
> >word(
> >unless
> >this is old knowledge to you guys)the specs are:
> >The Harbor Sales Co.
> >100 Harbor ct.
> >Sudlersville,
> >MD21668-1818
> >800-345-1712
> >PS their ad says delivery
> >nationwide!
> >
> >
>
> __________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lightsey, Mark - TP2MAL" <MLightsey(at)socalgas.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Piet: jr. Ace |
A pretty good Corben Junior Ace page located at:
http://members.tripod.com/corbenflyer/index.html
<http://members.tripod.com/corbenflyer/index.html>
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 5:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet: jr. Ace
Am building a piet, but found a deal on a Jr. Ace at Sun n Fun I couldn't
turn down. does anyone know of a site for the Jr. Ace?
Flew George Read's Piet while in Fla. before Sun n Fun. Really a different
flying machine. Am glad I'm not too far along to incorporate a few of the
minor changes to fit my size.
thanks Barry
bed(at)mindspring.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Attn those with AirCamper.org sites |
I have 6 people on record as having web space at AirCamper.org, only
two of which have content (mine and Ken Hannan's). I have un-linked the
rest, so people just browsing the site dont follow the links to empty
directories.
Please email me directly if you put something in your directory so I
can link you up again. Theres still 3+ Gig of free space to be had
people!
Richard
===
My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
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| Subject: | Fw: VIRUS ALERT!! |
-----Original Message-----
From: Emmett Bratt <ebratt(at)sprynet.com>
Gary Antonacci ; Earl Myers ; Lisa Frank
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 10:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: VIRUS ALERT!!
>
>>
>>Received this from the Lucent Security group . . . . .
>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> VIRUS ALERT !!
>>>
>>> The Corporate Computer and Network Security (CCANS) organization has
>been
>>> advised that a new variant of the Melissa virus has been identified.
>>> Like
>>> Melissa, the new virus is transmitted via email. The email message has
>a
>>> subject line that reads "Fun and Games from (name of the sender)". It
>>> also contains a Microsoft Word file attachment called 'vision.doc'.
>>> However, the file attachment could be named differently. If you open
>>> this
>>> file attachment, the virus will infect your computer and will mail a
>copy
>>> of the infected file to the first 69 entries in each of your address
>>> books.
>>>
>>> To protect your workstation from being infected with this new virus,
you
>>> must update the Data Definition (DAT) file that runs in conjunction
with
>>> the McAfee anti-virus software package. .
>>>
>>>
>>> Lucent Technologies
>>> Corporate Computer and Network Security
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ***** This information was distributed by the Notices Service of
>>> Lucent's Global Library Network. Notices is an electronic distribution
>>> mechanism that delivers announcements to targeted audiences. The
>>> Global Library Network is not the author of these announcements.
>>> Please refer to the body of the message for a contact point -- either
>>> phone, URL or email. To send an announcement, contact the Notices
>>> Service: 908-582-4840 option 3, elecdel(at)library.lucent.com,
>>> http://infoview.lucent.com/ias/now/noticesTOC.html
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Adjustable lift strut attachments |
The machine is on the gear and I have been following the discussion on
the 3/4 X 2 1/2 inch lift strut with great interest. Along these lines,
I am wanting to install adjustable fittings on each strut to allow
dihedral adjustment and wash out adjustment (also to make flight tuning
easier).
The question is " what are folks using to do this?" I look at the
catelogues and see prices starting at $100 per attachment. With the
scrounging, experimental expertise out there in the Piet community,
someone must have a better way. Care to share it?
On the gear with the centre wing section and wires on, the machine is
starting to look impressive. I also am in the process of tearing apart a
Corvair motor, 1997 vintage.
Best regards,
-=Ian=-
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Adjustable lift strut attachments |
Ian;
As we "speak", I am at the exact same spot with my Scout. I too balked at
the cost of the threaded/forked ends vs the plan version. I have decided to
make extra fittings at the wing attach points in case the plane doesn't fly
as built. The extra fittings just won't have the holes predrilled. It might
take two sets of undrilled spares to get it to fly right but that is my
chosen method, IE: sticking to the plans...........
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Holland
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 10:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Adjustable lift strut attachments
>The machine is on the gear and I have been following the discussion on
>the 3/4 X 2 1/2 inch lift strut with great interest. Along these lines,
>I am wanting to install adjustable fittings on each strut to allow
>dihedral adjustment and wash out adjustment (also to make flight tuning
>easier).
>
>The question is " what are folks using to do this?" I look at the
>catelogues and see prices starting at $100 per attachment. With the
>scrounging, experimental expertise out there in the Piet community,
>someone must have a better way. Care to share it?
>
>On the gear with the centre wing section and wires on, the machine is
>starting to look impressive. I also am in the process of tearing apart a
>Corvair motor, 1997 vintage.
>Best regards,
>-=Ian=-
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Adjustable lift strut attachments |
On Wed, 28 Apr 1999, Ian Holland wrote:
> The machine is on the gear and I have been following the discussion on
> the 3/4 X 2 1/2 inch lift strut with great interest. Along these lines,
> I am wanting to install adjustable fittings on each strut to allow
> dihedral adjustment and wash out adjustment (also to make flight tuning
> easier).
>
> The question is " what are folks using to do this?" I look at the
> catelogues and see prices starting at $100 per attachment. With the
> scrounging, experimental expertise out there in the Piet community,
> someone must have a better way. Care to share it?
>
> -=Ian=-
>
This may not be the place to try and save money. Keep in mind the results
of a failure at this point. I bought tne weldable barrel fittings from ASS
and used a pair of Piper fork ends I had from another plane. With the
light weight Piets, you can probably get away with the cut thread fork
ends, but I'd still feel better with rolled thread. There was a Piper AD
out on these fork ends requiring them to be replaced with rolled thread so
you may be able to get some cheap cut thread forks from your local AME.
Ken.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Adjustable lift strut attachments |
Ian- Shop around for the real-mc coy if you can in either
the Wicks or ACS catalog. If memory serves me correctly
Wicks had the weldable barrels for 1/2 the cost of ACS. (or vice-versa)
If you want to save money just make the back struts adjustable......but
it sure is nice to have all four with fork end fittings.
PS- this won't be cheap to do if you choose it but it's the way Aeronca,
Piper, and the rest have been flying for years. (by the way, direct from
the plans is another perfectly acceptable way to do the struts......you'd
just need to setup the wings exactly as you want them with dihedral and
washout and drill like Earl M. said at the top end of your strap fittings
and whala)
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: buying plywood |
Check
http://www.aitwood.com/catalog.htm
and select either "ultra thin plywood" for the really great stuff, or "finland
birch plywood" for just the good stuff. VERY good material and VERY good
prices. They will cut and ship UPS.
Warren.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Joe Krzes <jkrzes(at)hotmail.com> |
Mike Cuy,
Could you tell me anything about a constuction video that you
produced? Availability, etc..
Thanks,
Joe Krzes
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
>Mike Cuy,
> Could you tell me anything about a constuction video that you
>produced? Availability, etc..
>
>Thanks,
>Joe Krzes
Joe- Sure thing. The info is posted below. The tape is now
2.5 hours long- nothing but Pietepols. I do a long walk-around
of my finished Piet and then some flying scenes, then back
to construction photos, some plan tips, some Brodhead clips,
some Osh '98 of the Piet on the flightline.....enough to get you
in trouble for sitting around watching airplane videos when you
should be doing honey-do things !
Mike C.
http://users.aol.com/bpabpabpa/cuyvideo.html
construction
building,
Camper
Mike Cuy,
Could you tell me anything about a constuction video that you
produced? Availability, etc..
Thanks,
Joe Krzes
Joe- Sure thing. The info is posted below. The tape
is now
2.5 hours long- nothing but Pietepols. I do a long
walk-around
of my finished Piet and then some flying scenes, then back
to construction photos, some plan tips, some Brodhead clips,
some Osh '98 of the Piet on the flightline.....enough to get you
in trouble for sitting around watching airplane videos when you
should be doing honey-do things !
Mike C.
http://users.aol.com/bpabpabpa/cuyvideo.html
Pietenpol Air Camper
The Building and Flying of NX48MC.
Lindy Award Winner at Oshkosh 1998
This two hour home video shows building tips, construction
techniques and archival footage taken during the building,
taxiing, and test flying of Michael Cuy's Pietenpol Air Camper
NX48MC
$20 plus $3 shipping. Order from:
Michael Cuy
7720 Center Rd.
Valley City, OH 44280
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Adjustable lift strut attachments |
>On the gear with the centre wing section and wires on, the
machine is
>starting to look impressive. I also am in the process of
tearing apart a
>Corvair motor, 1997 vintage.
>Best regards,
>-=Ian=-
Is there a 1997 Corvair? Does Ralph Nadar know about it?
Just curious
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug <ve6zh(at)oanet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Adjustable lift strut attachments |
A note on the used piper forks,my inspector told me and it is also spelled
out in chapter 549(Canada)that any life limited parts,such as piper forks
must conform to the AD,s so you must have a paper trail on them!Even if
used on a homebuilt.
Doug
> From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Adjustable lift strut attachments
> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 9:35 AM
>
> On Wed, 28 Apr 1999, Ian Holland wrote:
>
> > The machine is on the gear and I have been following the discussion on
> > the 3/4 X 2 1/2 inch lift strut with great interest. Along these lines,
> > I am wanting to install adjustable fittings on each strut to allow
> > dihedral adjustment and wash out adjustment (also to make flight tuning
> > easier).
> >
> > The question is " what are folks using to do this?" I look at the
> > catelogues and see prices starting at $100 per attachment. With the
> > scrounging, experimental expertise out there in the Piet community,
> > someone must have a better way. Care to share it?
> >
> > -=Ian=-
> >
>
> This may not be the place to try and save money. Keep in mind the results
> of a failure at this point. I bought tne weldable barrel fittings from
ASS
> and used a pair of Piper fork ends I had from another plane. With the
> light weight Piets, you can probably get away with the cut thread fork
> ends, but I'd still feel better with rolled thread. There was a Piper AD
> out on these fork ends requiring them to be replaced with rolled thread
so
> you may be able to get some cheap cut thread forks from your local AME.
>
> Ken.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | arkiesacres(at)juno.com |
| Subject: | Re: buying plywood |
Walt
I called them today and ordered a catalog.
The lady told me free shipping if you live in area of a local store. Or
are close I guess.
Thanks for number.
Gordon
writes:
>Gordon,
>Give them a call, and get their catalog....800-345-1712
>and see if they tell you what they told me about free trucking .
>it won't even cost a dime!
>walt
>ps they are in Baltimore,,,I'm in Northern NJ
>-----Original Message-----
>From: arkiesacres(at)juno.com
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 12:53 AM
>Subject: Re: buying plywood
>
>
>>Where do you live? Close to them?
>>
>>I live in Calif and will be needing about 28 sheets of plywood if I
>>decide to build my Catamaran and I have a catalog from Boulter
>PLywood
>>Corp and they are not free shipping.
>>
>>1/16" 3 ply okoume bs 1088 4' x 8' $49.00
>>1/16" aircraft grade 3 ply $59.00 5' x 5'
>>
>>What is Harbors price for 1/4" Marine Ply 4' x 8' ?
>>Exterior 1/4" 4' x 8' ?
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Gordon
>>
>>
>> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi, to all,
>>>I had gotten a catalog from Harbor Sales in MD. Maybe you more
>>>experienced guys know better, but I thought I'd share what I found
>>>out.
>>>I called them tonite about getting a piece of 1/16" ply for leading
>=
>>>edge(was going to have it cut in 9" widths x 8' for UPS shipping.
>>>Well what she told me was that they would ship it for free to my
>house
>>>=
>>>by their truck.
>>>I couldn't believe it and asked her to explain. She said again that
>we
>>>=
>>>would truck it to my house for free, usually the next day.
>>>It sounded too good to be true, so I decided to go the 9" wide route
>
>>>for
>>>UPS. Just wanted to spread the word( unless this is old knowledge
>to
>>>=
>>>you guys)the specs are:
>>>The Harbor Sales Co.
>>>100 Harbor ct.
>>>Sudlersville, MD21668-1818
>>>800-345-1712
>>>PS their ad says delivery nationwide!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi, to all,
>>>I had gotten a catalog from
>Harbor
>>>=
>>>Sales in
>>>MD. Maybe you more experienced guys know better, but I thought
>
>>>I'd
>>>share
>>>what I found out.
>>>I called them tonite about
>getting
>>>a
>>>piece of
>>>1/16 ply for leading edge(was going to have it cut in 9
>=
>>>widths x 8'
>>>for UPS shipping.
>>>Well what she told me was that
>>>they
>>>would ship
>>>it for free to my house by their truck.
>>>I couldn't believe it and asked
>>>her
>>>to explain.
>>>She said again that we would truck it to my house for free, usually
>>>the
>>>next
>>>day.
>>>It sounded too good to be true,
>so
>>>I
>>>decided to
>>>go the 9 wide route for UPS. Just wanted to spread the
>>>word(
>>>unless
>>>this is old knowledge to you guys)the specs are:
>>>The Harbor Sales
>Co.
>>>100 Harbor ct.
>>>Sudlersville,
>>>MD21668-1818
>>>800-345-1712
>>>PS their ad says delivery
>>>nationwide!
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Get completely free e-mail from Juno at
>http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html
>>
>
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | arkiesacres(at)juno.com |
| Subject: | Re: buying plywood |
Thanks Ron
I will file that number also. I could use some of that 1/16" stuff for my
model boat I am building of the big one I want to build. Well only 24'
not really big. I used 1/8" that I had around here and that is a little
big for scale of 1" = 1 ft.
Gordon
writes:
>Gordon,
>
>You might try B&D International for your plywood.
>1/16" 3 ply 61"X61" Aircraft quality
>.............................42.00
>1/4 " 5 ply Finland Birch
>60"X60"................................29.00
>All prices are f.o.b. Tacoma, WA but they do have interesting stuff
>and are
>willing to cut for shipping.
>
>their number is: 1-800-222-7853.
>
>Also, to everybody,
> I am taking the plans to a friend of mine that owns a machine shop
>to
>have him fabricate all the metal parts for me. ( Yes, I am not such a
>purest that I have to make everything myself.) We are looking to have
>two
>sets of everthing made. It may be cheaper by the dozen. If there is
>anyone
>interested in knowing what this will cost, you know how to reach me.
>
>Ron Gipson
>----- Original Message -----
>From:
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Sent: Monday, April 26, 1999 9:08 PM
>Subject: Re: buying plywood
>
>
>> Where do you live? Close to them?
>>
>> I live in Calif and will be needing about 28 sheets of plywood if I
>> decide to build my Catamaran and I have a catalog from Boulter
>PLywood
>> Corp and they are not free shipping.
>>
>> 1/16" 3 ply okoume bs 1088 4' x 8' $49.00
>> 1/16" aircraft grade 3 ply $59.00 5' x 5'
>>
>> What is Harbors price for 1/4" Marine Ply 4' x 8' ?
>> Exterior 1/4" 4' x 8' ?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Gordon
>>
>>
>> writes:
>> >
>> >
>> >Hi, to all,
>> >I had gotten a catalog from Harbor Sales in MD. Maybe you more
>> >experienced guys know better, but I thought I'd share what I found
>> >out.
>> >I called them tonite about getting a piece of 1/16" ply for leading
>=
>> >edge(was going to have it cut in 9" widths x 8' for UPS shipping.
>> >Well what she told me was that they would ship it for free to my
>house
>> >=
>> >by their truck.
>> >I couldn't believe it and asked her to explain. She said again that
>we
>> >=
>> >would truck it to my house for free, usually the next day.
>> >It sounded too good to be true, so I decided to go the 9" wide
>route
>> >for
>> >UPS. Just wanted to spread the word( unless this is old knowledge
>to
>> >=
>> >you guys)the specs are:
>> >The Harbor Sales Co.
>> >100 Harbor ct.
>> >Sudlersville, MD21668-1818
>> >800-345-1712
>> >PS their ad says delivery nationwide!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Hi, to all,
>> >I had gotten a catalog from
>Harbor
>> >=
>> >Sales in
>> >MD. Maybe you more experienced guys know better, but I
>thought
>> >I'd
>> >share
>> >what I found out.
>> >I called them tonite about
>getting
>> >a
>> >piece of
>> >1/16 ply for leading edge(was going to have it cut in 9
>=
>> >widths x 8'
>> >for UPS shipping.
>> >Well what she told me was that
>> >they
>> >would ship
>> >it for free to my house by their truck.
>> >I couldn't believe it and asked
>> >her
>> >to explain.
>> >She said again that we would truck it to my house for free, usually
>> >the
>> >next
>> >day.
>> >It sounded too good to be true,
>so
>> >I
>> >decided to
>> >go the 9 wide route for UPS. Just wanted to spread the
>> >word(
>> >unless
>> >this is old knowledge to you guys)the specs are:
>> >The Harbor Sales
>Co.
>> >100 Harbor ct.
>> >Sudlersville,
>> >MD21668-1818
>> >800-345-1712
>> >PS their ad says delivery
>> >nationwide!
>> >
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| Subject: | Re: Adjustable lift strut attachments |
Probably the same as a 1997 Continental or Lycombing...wishful thinking.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Adjustable lift strut attachments |
Earl;
Thanks for the input. I kind of figured this as an option, but thought
it would be nice to "twist in" the rigging, however, not at the price
for the new stuff.
Doug, Ken, Mike;
I will continue to look at the options. I don't consider the used and no
longer certified parts as part of that option. Even if the AD's allowed
it, there is something wrong with my mental picture of a part of the
plane that is not suitable for a Piet that is very similar to the
problem ones. Down can be a long way, and a short trip.
Best regards,
-=Ian=-
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Adjustable lift strut attachments |
Ian,
Let me encourage you to just keep an eye out with the aircraft supply
houses for sales and surplus. Several weeks ago, I found a 50# box of
surplus forks at AS&S and bought 8 of the following for $5.00 total.
3 7/8" long X 1/2" rolled threaded fork. Head is 7/8" wide:
1 3/16" deep slot; hole 5/16" and will accept a tab 3/16" thick. These are
new surplus and are cadmium plated.
Also found some new truck wheel lug nuts that fit perfectly and am
seriously considering welding these in the ends of my struts for fittings,
unless anyone here can talk me out of it.
And yes I did check and they are gone, and the counter guy told me that
they get this kind of stuff in all the time.
Good Luck.
Warren.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Adjustable lift strut attachments |
I have been following the discussion on adjustable lift strut attachments.
Just wanted to pass along some infro on these from my mentor AP. When you
buy the weldable forks and "nuts", the female thread in the "nut" must be
tapped undersize( you can buy taps for this). In other words , the male
won't screw into the female bafore welding. After welding, the piece is
tapped out to proper size to remove all scale and crud. If you start with
a normal thread, after welding, there is insufficient thread left.
A friend/builder of his showed him fork sets that he had bought from a
large supplier,for his Baby Ace project , these threaded nicely before
welding. The AP condemned them and called the supplier, after that, they
pulled the lot. He said that sometimes they are tapped incorrectly, and get
into circulation.
He showed me the tap, and said most aircraft tool houses carry these, but
don't list them in catalogs because they don't sell too many. You just have
to ask for them.
I can find out where if anyone is interested.
walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 12:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Adjustable lift strut attachments
>Ian,
> Let me encourage you to just keep an eye out with the aircraft supply
>houses for sales and surplus. Several weeks ago, I found a 50# box of
>surplus forks at AS&S and bought 8 of the following for $5.00 total.
> 3 7/8" long X 1/2" rolled threaded fork. Head is 7/8" wide:
>1 3/16" deep slot; hole 5/16" and will accept a tab 3/16" thick. These are
>new surplus and are cadmium plated.
> Also found some new truck wheel lug nuts that fit perfectly and am
>seriously considering welding these in the ends of my struts for fittings,
>unless anyone here can talk me out of it.
> And yes I did check and they are gone, and the counter guy told me that
>they get this kind of stuff in all the time.
>Good Luck.
>Warren.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Adjustable lift strut attachments |
Walter,
Thanks for the additional info. This is one reason I looked around for an
alternative. These wheel lugs are 1/1/4" long and have a lot of meat and a
conical shape protecting the threads. I will have to be really sloppy to get
any welding slag into the threads. Would run a close tolerance tap thru after
welding anyway, just to confirm a good fit.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Adjustable lift strut attachments |
Warren,
What I meant was that when you torch weld, the whole piece oxidizes, and you
loose material on all surfaces, also on the threads, that can't be replaced.
This may not be the case if you tig. you just have to normalize with a
flame
walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 1:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Adjustable lift strut attachments
>Walter,
> Thanks for the additional info. This is one reason I looked around for
an
>alternative. These wheel lugs are 1/1/4" long and have a lot of meat and a
>conical shape protecting the threads. I will have to be really sloppy to
get
>any welding slag into the threads. Would run a close tolerance tap thru
after
>welding anyway, just to confirm a good fit.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Adjustable lift strut attachments |
Walt
Good point. Will check this carefully on a practice piece.
Thanks again.
Warren
walter evans wrote:
> Warren,
> What I meant was that when you torch weld, the whole piece oxidizes, and you
> loose material on all surfaces, also on the threads, that can't be replaced.
> This may not be the case if you tig. you just have to normalize with a
> flame
> walt
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 1:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Adjustable lift strut attachments
>
> >Walter,
> > Thanks for the additional info. This is one reason I looked around for
> an
> >alternative. These wheel lugs are 1/1/4" long and have a lot of meat and a
> >conical shape protecting the threads. I will have to be really sloppy to
> get
> >any welding slag into the threads. Would run a close tolerance tap thru
> after
> >welding anyway, just to confirm a good fit.
> >
> >
> >
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael King <mikek(at)nstar.net> |
Hey Gang,
What are the dates for OSHKOSH and
BRODHEAD? May try to make one or
both of them.
Thanks in advance.
Mike King
GN-1
Dallas
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Adjustable lift strut attachments |
>Warren,
>What I meant was that when you torch weld, the whole piece oxidizes, and you
>loose material on all surfaces, also on the threads, that can't be replaced.
>This may not be the case if you tig. you just have to normalize with a
>flame
>walt
Walt/Warren-
I TIG welded everything on my Piet including those barells. (then normalized
with a torch) I did just as Warren said and tapped out those threads after
all was cold. They were discolored on the interior threads but no scale-
pretty
clean really, but still req'd tapping.
Mike C.
Warren,
What I meant was that when you torch weld, the whole piece oxidizes,
and you
loose material on all surfaces, also on the threads, that can't be
replaced.
This may not be the case if you tig. you just have to normalize
with a
flame
walt
Walt/Warren-
I TIG welded everything on my Piet including those barells. (then
normalized
with a torch) I did just as Warren said and tapped out those
threads after
all was cold. They were discolored on the interior threads but no
scale- pretty
clean really, but still req'd tapping.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Bell <mbell(at)sctcorp.com> |
| Subject: | Double the pleasure, but I only need one? |
Help,
I recently subscribed to the mailing list. I get two of every
message. Redundancy is good sometimes, but this isn't one of
them. Am I subscribed twice or do I need to do something to
correct this?
Thanks in advance,
Mike Bell
Columbia, SC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | fishin <fishin(at)wwa.com> |
SteveE===received my caps today,,,look great, feel great,,,fit great.
And--these puppies appear to be indestructible.
thanks
JoeC
Zion, Illinois
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Double the pleasure, but I only need one? |
Go the www.aircamper.org, unsubscribe and then resubscribe.
Should work,
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Mike Bell
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 1999 2:50 PM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Double the pleasure, but I only need one?
>
>
>
>
> Help,
>
> I recently subscribed to the mailing list. I get two of every
> message. Redundancy is good sometimes, but this isn't one of
> them. Am I subscribed twice or do I need to do something to
> correct this?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Mike Bell
> Columbia, SC
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Engine Rebuilding |
Greetings,
I've purchased key components for a Model A engine (block, crank shaft,
rods, cam, and head). Now I'm looking for a shop to do resurfacing, babbet
(sp?) work, etc. I'm in North Alabama, in case y'all know of someone
close.
Maybe I need to learn how to do some/most of this myself? I'm guessing that
tools would be my limiting factor...
Thanks in advance,
David C. Matthews
P.S. I bought the "raw materials" from Terry Oberer in St. Louis. He's a
*great* guy -- even helped me go through his stock to hand-pick pristine
components for my engine. We worked in his shop until about 11 p.m.! He is
very knowledgeable about the Model A, and has quite a collection of parts
for sale. I'm even impressed with the way he packed my block for shipping!
You can find more information at: http://users.aol.com/FordMoval/to.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Adjustable lift strut attachments |
Thanks a lot!! Now I have to cut out my old barrels and weld in new
ones!!! I couldn't understand why the QC was so poor on those barrels and
the forks would only go in half way. I just figured it would be a LOT
easier to run the tab down through them BEFORE I welded them. In my
defence, there was nothing about this in anything I read, including the
plans.
The worst part is that I just primed the struts on Tuesday night! You
couldn't have started this thread LAST week, now could you ;-) Oh well, at
least I found out about this BEFORE I went flying. I really do appreciate
the warning, I just wish I had known about it sooner. That's what makes
lists like this so good. Who cares if I don'thave a Piet.
On the fork ends, my understanding of the AD was that it only applied to
heavier A/C like the PA-18, PA-20, PA-22 and so on. The cut threads is
still OK on the lighter J-3, J-4, PA-16/17. You may want to verify this
but I would suspect that the light weight of the Piet would make these
fork ends OK especially if they are only used on the rear strut. I don't
think I would trust the fork end to support the main strut as it will
generally take 2/3 to 3/4 of the flight loads. The rear strut will support
much less.
Thanks,
Ken.
On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, walter evans wrote:
> I have been following the discussion on adjustable lift strut attachments.
> Just wanted to pass along some infro on these from my mentor AP. When you
> buy the weldable forks and "nuts", the female thread in the "nut" must be
> tapped undersize( you can buy taps for this). In other words , the male
> won't screw into the female bafore welding. After welding, the piece is
> tapped out to proper size to remove all scale and crud. If you start with
> a normal thread, after welding, there is insufficient thread left.
> A friend/builder of his showed him fork sets that he had bought from a
> large supplier,for his Baby Ace project , these threaded nicely before
> welding. The AP condemned them and called the supplier, after that, they
> pulled the lot. He said that sometimes they are tapped incorrectly, and get
> into circulation.
> He showed me the tap, and said most aircraft tool houses carry these, but
> don't list them in catalogs because they don't sell too many. You just have
> to ask for them.
> I can find out where if anyone is interested.
> walt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Adjustable lift strut attachments |
Ken,
Just remember that what my AP told me comes from a guy who is a licenced AP
who's been doing this alot of years, and he tends to be a perfectionist to
detail and safety. Who can say what percentage of safety factor is figured
into the certified aircraft.
I just wanted to pass along something I learned , that I didn't know 6 mo.
ago. You should check with some AP's that you can find, and get their
input.
It's a strange building technique , but kinda makes sense when you think
about it.
walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 6:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Adjustable lift strut attachments
>Thanks a lot!! Now I have to cut out my old barrels and weld in new
>ones!!! I couldn't understand why the QC was so poor on those barrels and
>the forks would only go in half way. I just figured it would be a LOT
>easier to run the tab down through them BEFORE I welded them. In my
>defence, there was nothing about this in anything I read, including the
>plans.
>
>The worst part is that I just primed the struts on Tuesday night! You
>couldn't have started this thread LAST week, now could you ;-) Oh well, at
>least I found out about this BEFORE I went flying. I really do appreciate
>the warning, I just wish I had known about it sooner. That's what makes
>lists like this so good. Who cares if I don'thave a Piet.
>
>On the fork ends, my understanding of the AD was that it only applied to
>heavier A/C like the PA-18, PA-20, PA-22 and so on. The cut threads is
>still OK on the lighter J-3, J-4, PA-16/17. You may want to verify this
>but I would suspect that the light weight of the Piet would make these
>fork ends OK especially if they are only used on the rear strut. I don't
>think I would trust the fork end to support the main strut as it will
>generally take 2/3 to 3/4 of the flight loads. The rear strut will support
>much less.
>
>Thanks,
>Ken.
>
>On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, walter evans wrote:
>
>> I have been following the discussion on adjustable lift strut
attachments.
>> Just wanted to pass along some infro on these from my mentor AP. When
you
>> buy the weldable forks and "nuts", the female thread in the "nut" must be
>> tapped undersize( you can buy taps for this). In other words , the male
>> won't screw into the female bafore welding. After welding, the piece is
>> tapped out to proper size to remove all scale and crud. If you start
with
>> a normal thread, after welding, there is insufficient thread left.
>> A friend/builder of his showed him fork sets that he had bought from a
>> large supplier,for his Baby Ace project , these threaded nicely before
>> welding. The AP condemned them and called the supplier, after that,
they
>> pulled the lot. He said that sometimes they are tapped incorrectly, and
get
>> into circulation.
>> He showed me the tap, and said most aircraft tool houses carry these, but
>> don't list them in catalogs because they don't sell too many. You just
have
>> to ask for them.
>> I can find out where if anyone is interested.
>> walt
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | put some pics on Richard DeCosta's Piet site |
Just put some pics on Richard's site. Except for a few flubs of two HUGE
files , they look pretty cool.
Who else did this? Want to see everyone else's project.
walt
Just put some pics on Richard's
site. Except for
a few flubs of two HUGE files , they look pretty cool.
Who else did this? Want to see
everyone
else's project.
walt
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: put some pics on Richard DeCosta's Piet site |
Its not linked up yet, (wll be tomorrow) so heres the address for
Walt's pics: http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/
Richard
--- walter evans wrote:
> Just put some pics on Richard's site. Except for a few flubs of two
> HUGE files , they look pretty cool.
> Who else did this? Want to see everyone else's project.
> walt
>
Just put some pics on Richard's site.
Except for
a few flubs of two HUGE files , they look pretty cool.
Who else did this? Want to see
everyone
else's project.
walt
===
My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
....Oh that I had wings like a dove! for then would I fly away, and be at rest.
-Psalm 55:6
---------------------------------------------------------
Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com> |
Steve: I got my hat today, It is even nicer than you described!! This
thing should last forever. Thanks!
John Duprey
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Adjustable lift strut attachments |
Ian Holland wrote:
>
> The machine is on the gear and I have been following the discussion on
> the 3/4 X 2 1/2 inch lift strut with great interest. Along these lines,
> I am wanting to install adjustable fittings on each strut to allow
> dihedral adjustment and wash out adjustment (also to make flight tuning
> easier).
>
> The question is " what are folks using to do this?" I look at the
> catelogues and see prices starting at $100 per attachment. With the
> scrounging, experimental expertise out there in the Piet community,
> someone must have a better way. Care to share it?
>
> On the gear with the centre wing section and wires on, the machine is
> starting to look impressive. I also am in the process of tearing apart a
> Corvair motor, 1997 vintage.
> Best regards,
> -=Ian=-
Ian:
I've got about six strut forks ,they are the cut type but a heck of a
lot of Cubs have flown on cut threads over the years ( they look like
they are in fine shape.) Got them from my Uncle who was a Piper Cub
builder years ago . I'll only need two of them. If you have a hard
time finding what you need, E-Mail me and I'll let you have a couple if
you need em. I'm scrounging for cables, pulleys, bungees etc now too.
Cheers,
Bert E-Mail: BWM(at)planttel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Attn those with AirCamper.org sites |
Richard DeCosta wrote:
>
> I have 6 people on record as having web space at AirCamper.org, only
> two of which have content (mine and Ken Hannan's). I have un-linked the
> rest, so people just browsing the site dont follow the links to empty
> directories.
>
> Please email me directly if you put something in your directory so I
> can link you up again. Theres still 3+ Gig of free space to be had
> people!
>
> Richard
>
> ===
> My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
> ....Oh that I had wings like a dove! for then would I fly away, and be at rest.
-Psalm 55:6
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
Richard,
I've got server space my wife and I have her business site on. i am
currently building up a site for my GN-1 project. I would like to send
you my link maybe next week. Would that be ok? Could I just get you
to link viewers to my site? (My GN-1 site, not my wifes business...)
I wont need any server space.
THanks, Bert BWM(at)planttel.net
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| From: | oil can <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com> |
White lead is a substance used in the gunsmith trade to avoid the welding
scale we are talking about.
The trick seems to be that the lead in white form is already oxidized, and
when coated on the back sied of a welding surface IE the inside of threads,
the result is no welding scale, as the oxidized lead protects the surface
from atmosphere.
This is available from Brownells, Inc. Brownells/USA(at)aol.com
Item is PBC Non-scale compound #083-015-100 Price is 14,99
ocb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hap Tucker <haptucker(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine Rebuilding Model "A" Ford |
David,
Yes, to answer the question, there is (or was last time I checked) a place
in North Alabama that rebuilds Model A Ford engines. It is
Good Old Days Garage
2340 Fairley Place
Birmingham, AL 35226
205/822-4569 FAX:205/823-1944
I had a block line bored by them in 1989 and thought they did great job. At
that time the owner was getting old so it may or may not be with the same
person now. It's been a while, but I believe the owner's name was Jim Marlar
(sp). He was also kind enough to take the time to show me how to rebuild my
Model A transmission -- which he could have rebuilt much faster by himself.
You may be able to help him reassemble your engine -- and make the future
maintenance easier.
Suggest you ask them for the name and number of the local Model A Ford club
there. You could ask the local members who they would recommend for
rebuilding Model A engines now. For sure in 1989 it would have been Good
Old Days Garage, but things may have changed since then.
http://www.modelatrader.com/partsdirectory/directorymenu.html has a list of
Model A engine rebuilders you may want to take a look at. Also I think I
remember seeing some good Model A engine info on Grant MacLaren's "The
Buckeye Pietenpol Association" home page
http://users.aol.com/bpanews/www.html Good luck and I hope Good Old Days
Garage is still as good as they used to be.
Hap Tucker
Bossier City, LA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
Steve E. Just rec'd my Pietenpol hat in the mail yesterday too and it's
perfect. Great quality mat'l and embroidery. I have a feeling once the
word gets
out on these they will be a hot potato. Thank You !!!
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
>
> Its not linked up yet, (wll be tomorrow) so heres the address for
> Walt's pics: http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/
Walt- Your workmanship looks just great from the photos you have on
Richard's Piet site. I love the wheels !! Keep pluggin away !
Mike C.
Its not linked up yet, (wll be tomorrow) so
heres the address for
Walt's pics:
http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/
Walt- Your workmanship looks just great from the photos you have
on
Richard's Piet site. I love the wheels !! Keep pluggin
away !
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Engine Rebuilding Model "A" Ford |
Thank you for the information!
Regards,
David
>David,
>
>Yes, to answer the question, there is (or was last time I checked) a place
>in North Alabama that rebuilds Model A Ford engines. It is
>
>Good Old Days Garage
>2340 Fairley Place
>Birmingham, AL 35226
>205/822-4569 FAX:205/823-1944
________________________________________________________________________________
The hats are done and look great I have 3 left of the $18 version (low and
slow on the back) if you are still interested. Add $2 shipping per order
Best Regards,
Steve Eldredge
1005 E 620 N
Provo UT 84606
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Behalf Of Les
> Lampman
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 1999 9:17 PM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: RE: Piet hats.
>
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> Not sure if my first message made it through. New to the
> mailing list.
>
> I'd like to sign up for a hat, low & Slow on the back sounds good.
>
> Les Lampman
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Cunningham <mikec(at)microlandusa.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hats not Hatz |
Careful you guys, we Hatz builders are lurking out here :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com>
Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 8:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hats not Hatz
>Steve: I got my hat today, It is even nicer than you described!! This
>thing should last forever. Thanks!
>
>John Duprey
________________________________________________________________________________
The hats are done and look great I have 3 left of the $18 version (low and
slow on the back) if you are still interested. Add $2 shipping per order
Best Regards,
Steve Eldredge
1005 E 620 N
Provo UT 84606
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Bill Talbert
> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 1999 9:15 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Piet hats.
>
>
> Steve
>
> Can you post the URL for your site again, My bookmarks were
> reset (vast low wing conspiracy) and I do not have your
> locale.
>
> Thanks
> Bill
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
The hats are done and look great I have 3 left of the $18 version (low and
slow on the back) if you are still interested. Add $2 shipping per order
Best Regards,
Steve Eldredge
1005 E 620 N
Provo UT 84606
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> D.J.H.
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 6:23 PM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Piet hats.
>
>
> I will take a hat as well.. Doug.
>
> ----------
> > From: The Endicotts <rasala(at)brutus.bright.net>
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: Re: Piet hats.
> > Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 3:52 PM
> >
> > steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> > >
> > > I have designed a baseball type hat that has a Piet logo
> on it and I
> > > am wondering if anyone would be interested in some for
> themselves. I
> > > am trying to make this years trip back to Brodhead and Oshkosh a
> > > memorable one and also champion our cause. The hat will
> natural kakhi
> > > with dark forest green embroidery. If I can get enough
> interest I'll
> > > get a group discount and have them done in a lot for $14-15 each.
> > > These are high quality hats. Check out my web site for
> the graphic.
> > > for another $2 they will add text across the back that
> says "Low and
> > > Slow for 70 Years" So if your interested let me know how many.
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve Eldredge
> > > Steve(at)byu.edu
> > > IT Services
> > > Brigham Young University
> > >
> > Please put me down for one.
> > thanks, Larry
>
________________________________________________________________________________
The hats are done and look great I have 3 left of the $18 version (low and
slow on the back) if you are still interested. Add $2 shipping per order
Best Regards,
Steve Eldredge
1005 E 620 N
Provo UT 84606
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Behalf Of The
> Endicotts
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 3:53 PM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Piet hats.
>
>
> steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> >
> > I have designed a baseball type hat that has a Piet logo on it and I
> > am wondering if anyone would be interested in some for
> themselves. I
> > am trying to make this years trip back to Brodhead and Oshkosh a
> > memorable one and also champion our cause. The hat will
> natural kakhi
> > with dark forest green embroidery. If I can get enough
> interest I'll
> > get a group discount and have them done in a lot for $14-15 each.
> > These are high quality hats. Check out my web site for the graphic.
> > for another $2 they will add text across the back that says "Low and
> > Slow for 70 Years" So if your interested let me know how many.
> >
> >
> > Steve Eldredge
> > Steve(at)byu.edu
> > IT Services
> > Brigham Young University
> >
> Please put me down for one.
> thanks, Larry
>
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| Subject: | Sorry Folks, was RE: Piet hats. |
What a blooming idiot. Here I am unintentionally spamming my own list.
Beg you pardon.
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> steve(at)byu.edu
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 9:32 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: RE: Piet hats.
>
>
> The hats are done and look great I have 3 left of the $18
> version (low and
> slow on the back) if you are still interested. Add $2
> shipping per order
>
> Best Regards,
> Steve Eldredge
> 1005 E 620 N
> Provo UT 84606
>
>
> Steve Eldredge
> IT Services
> Brigham Young University
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Behalf Of Les
> > Lampman
> > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 1999 9:17 PM
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: RE: Piet hats.
> >
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > Not sure if my first message made it through. New to the
> > mailing list.
> >
> > I'd like to sign up for a hat, low & Slow on the back sounds good.
> >
> > Les Lampman
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Hats not Hatz |
I'd give my right arm for a ride in a Hatz. Any of you guy near Maine?
Careful you guys, we Hatz builders are lurking out here :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com>
Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 8:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hats not Hatz
>Steve: I got my hat today, It is even nicer than you described!! This
>thing should last forever. Thanks!
>
>John Duprey
===
My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
....Oh that I had wings like a dove! for then would I fly away, and be at rest.
-Psalm 55:6
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Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
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Steve,
I'll take two of the remaining hats. If they are still available
when you get this please let me know and I'll forward the check as soon
as I can.
They'll make excellent first flight gifts for two of my good
helpers.
Thanks,
Tom
__________
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| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Adjustable lift strut attachments |
I'm quite sure that this is correct and it does make perfect sense in
hindsight. I'm just a little annoyed with myself for not figuring it out
sooner. At the very least, I could have lucked into it by waiting to tap
after I welded. DOUUUUGGGHHH!
Just to clarify, is a special, close tolerence tap required to finish the
tapping, or is that what they use for the initial tap? In other words, do
I have to buy another tap or can I use a standerd one?
Thanks,
Ken
On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, walter evans wrote:
> Ken,
> Just remember that what my AP told me comes from a guy who is a licenced AP
> who's been doing this alot of years, and he tends to be a perfectionist to
> detail and safety. Who can say what percentage of safety factor is figured
> into the certified aircraft.
> I just wanted to pass along something I learned , that I didn't know 6 mo.
> ago. You should check with some AP's that you can find, and get their
> input.
> It's a strange building technique , but kinda makes sense when you think
> about it.
> walt
>
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| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Adjustable lift strut attachments |
Ken,
You can use a standard one.
When I was buying my taps, I chatted with an old guy at King Bolt near where
I
live and learned a bit about tap and die. Some are manufactured to closer
matching fit than others, so you may want to dress up both your lug and your
fork. Just check carefully that it doesn't remove too much material.
Warren
Ken Beanlands wrote:
> I'm quite sure that this is correct and it does make perfect sense in
> hindsight. I'm just a little annoyed with myself for not figuring it out
> sooner. At the very least, I could have lucked into it by waiting to tap
> after I welded. DOUUUUGGGHHH!
>
> Just to clarify, is a special, close tolerence tap required to finish the
> tapping, or is that what they use for the initial tap? In other words, do
> I have to buy another tap or can I use a standerd one?
>
> Thanks,
> Ken
>
> On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, walter evans wrote:
>
> > Ken,
> > Just remember that what my AP told me comes from a guy who is a licenced AP
> > who's been doing this alot of years, and he tends to be a perfectionist to
> > detail and safety. Who can say what percentage of safety factor is figured
> > into the certified aircraft.
> > I just wanted to pass along something I learned , that I didn't know 6 mo.
> > ago. You should check with some AP's that you can find, and get their
> > input.
> > It's a strange building technique , but kinda makes sense when you think
> > about it.
> > walt
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Double the pleasure, but I only need one? |
Now of all those who have had trouble with the e-mail list isn't this guy
polite? How pleasant!
Brent Reed
>Subject: Double the pleasure, but I only need one?
>
> Help,
>
> I recently subscribed to the mailing list. I get two of every
> message. Redundancy is good sometimes, but this isn't one of
> them. Am I subscribed twice or do I need to do something to
> correct this?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Mike Bell
> Columbia, SC
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Double the pleasure, but I only need one? |
Yes, very. Love that. By the way Mike B, did that solve your problem?
Weather is supposed to break here tommorrow! Just in time too. I just
recieved 10gal of Canopus smoke oil! Think I can burn it up in one day?...
Stevee
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Brent Reed
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 12:24 PM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Double the pleasure, but I only need one?
>
>
> Now of all those who have had trouble with the e-mail list
> isn't this guy
> polite? How pleasant!
>
> Brent Reed
>
> >Subject: Double the pleasure, but I only need one?
> >
>
> > Help,
> >
> > I recently subscribed to the mailing list. I get two of every
> > message. Redundancy is good sometimes, but this isn't one of
> > them. Am I subscribed twice or do I need to do something to
> > correct this?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Mike Bell
> > Columbia, SC
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: put some pics on Richard DeCosta's Piet site |
I tried to view the pics but only one would show. I can't guess why the
other links to images don't work.
Brent Reed
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 1999 5:27 PM
| Subject: | Re: put some pics on Richard DeCosta's Piet site |
> Its not linked up yet, (wll be tomorrow) so heres the address for
> Walt's pics: http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/
>
> Richard
>
> --- walter evans wrote:
> > Just put some pics on Richard's site. Except for a few flubs of two
> > HUGE files , they look pretty cool.
> > Who else did this? Want to see everyone else's project.
> > walt
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Just put some pics on Richard's site.
> Except for
> a few flubs of two HUGE files , they look pretty cool.
> Who else did this? Want to see
> everyone
> else's project.
> walt
>
>
> ===
> My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
> ....Oh that I had wings like a dove! for then would I fly away, and be at
rest. -Psalm 55:6
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
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OSH is July 28-Aug 3
Brodhead is July 30-31
for the full scoop see http://members.aol.com/bpanews/count.html
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Michael King
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 1999 12:58 PM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: DATES
>
>
> Hey Gang,
>
> What are the dates for OSHKOSH and
> BRODHEAD? May try to make one or
> both of them.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Mike King
> GN-1
> Dallas
>
>
>
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| From: | Michael Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | RE: Double the pleasure, but I only need one? |
>Yes, very. Love that. By the way Mike B, did that solve your problem?
>
>Weather is supposed to break here tommorrow! Just in time too. I just
>recieved 10gal of Canopus smoke oil! Think I can burn it up in one day?...
>
>Stevee
STEVE !!! You will love that stuff. As we say here in Ohio, If you got
em',
smokem'.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Bell <mbell(at)sctcorp.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Double the pleasure, but I only need one? |
I sent in one unsubscribe message and waited. I received single
copies of the last two messages. One is enough, so I won't
resubscribe.
What is conopus smoke oil? Anything like snake oil? Does it
allow you to spread a smoke screen from a pokey Piet?
Mike
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| From: | Ken Hannan <khannan(at)gte.net> |
| Subject: | Re: put some pics on Richard DeCosta's Piet site |
http://www.aircamper.org/users/Khannan/pietenpol/
please check out my pietenpol project
Thanks Ken
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| From: | Mike Cunningham <mikec(at)microlandusa.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hats not Hatz |
Richard, your gonna need your right arm too fly your Piet! I just took a
look through my American Hatz Assoc. roster and don't see anybody in Maine.
There are some members in CT, NY, PA, etc. If you like I will email you
some info on them. Maybe you can take a 172 down their way.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard DeCosta
Date: Friday, April 30, 1999 11:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Hats not Hatz
>I'd give my right arm for a ride in a Hatz. Any of you guy near Maine?
>
>Careful you guys, we Hatz builders are lurking out here :-)
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 8:06 PM
>Subject: Hats not Hatz
>
>
>>Steve: I got my hat today, It is even nicer than you described!! This
>>thing should last forever. Thanks!
>>
>>John Duprey
>
>
>===
>My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
>....Oh that I had wings like a dove! for then would I fly away, and be at
rest. -Psalm 55:6
>---------------------------------------------------------
>Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
>---------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hats not Hatz |
That'd be great. I need to log some more X/C time before my big trip
to OSH in July.
--- Mike Cunningham wrote:
> Richard, your gonna need your right arm too fly your Piet! I just
> took a
> look through my American Hatz Assoc. roster and don't see anybody in
> Maine.
> There are some members in CT, NY, PA, etc. If you like I will email
> you
> some info on them. Maybe you can take a 172 down their way.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard DeCosta
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Friday, April 30, 1999 11:04 AM
> Subject: RE: Hats not Hatz
>
>
> >I'd give my right arm for a ride in a Hatz. Any of you guy near
> Maine?
> >
> >Careful you guys, we Hatz builders are lurking out here :-)
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com>
> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 8:06 PM
> >Subject: Hats not Hatz
> >
> >
> >>Steve: I got my hat today, It is even nicer than you described!!
> This
> >>thing should last forever. Thanks!
> >>
> >>John Duprey
> >
> >
> >===
> >My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
> >....Oh that I had wings like a dove! for then would I fly away, and
> be at
> rest. -Psalm 55:6
> >---------------------------------------------------------
> >Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> >---------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
>
>
===
My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
....Oh that I had wings like a dove! for then would I fly away, and be at rest.
-Psalm 55:6
---------------------------------------------------------
Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
---------------------------------------------------------
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| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Walt Evans Work |
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