Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-av
June 08, 1999 - June 15, 1999
> > > >> >
> > > >> > John
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > > >> > From: wayne
> > > >> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > > >> > Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 7:30 PM
> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube
> > > >> >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined struts
> > > from cubs.
> > > >Is
> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way
> to tell? I'd
> > > like
> > > >to
> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic
> said he used
> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the
> standard wing
> > > strut
> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was
> welded inside
> > > the
> > > >other
> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's the
> > > group
> > > >opinion
> > > >> > >here?
> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single
> or going dual
> > > >ignition?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg
> > > >> > >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >_______________________________________________________
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________________
> >
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC" |
| Subject: | FW: about to start thinking about starting...... |
Yes,
Vi Kapler has the three piece wing mod. for sale for $10.00, it includes a
couple of photos as well. He lives around Brodhead, Wisconsin somewhere. I
don't have the address...Anyone?
Dom.
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | about to start thinking about starting...... |
I now own a set of plans (which include several mods to appease the UK
authorities). Most people here seem to be using C90s or 0-200s, but I'm
considering using a Subaru - any reasonably positive comments?
I'm also wondering what the GN-1 designation is, as the only reference I
have found to it has been in the AS&S catalogue - nothing that I can see on
the drawings or on the BPA site.
One of the UK approved drawings describes a three-piece demountable wing,
which I may or may not build. I have seen aircraft with cutaway centre
sections and one with a fold-up transparent section aft of the centre
section rear spar - anybody know where I could get my hands on drawings for
these mods?
Leo
Nottinghamshire
England
leo(at)deadly.demon.co.uk
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| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | RE: Streamlined tube |
That's my understanding. I'll be sure to give a full report when they
arrive. I've used 1-1/8" 4130 and 1-5/8" 4130 round tubes for Chrissy and
was just about to make foam/fiberglass covers for them. THis sounds like a
much better method.
Ken
On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?
>
> Steve Eldredge
> IT Services
> Brigham Young University
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Behalf Of Ken
> > Beanlands
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
> >
> >
> > They must think that there is something going on as I ordered
> > the stuff
> > for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as
> > they were
> > backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else call this
> > morning? ;-)
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
> >
> > > Howard'
> > >
> > > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without
> > shipping, is for four -
> > > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be a good
> > > alternative.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > > > Mark:
> > > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'
> > lengths which will
> > > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material
> > fits over your
> > > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per
> > foot. LEAF part
> > > > # A2685
> > > >
> > > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC
> > > >
> > > > H.W.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: mboynton(at)excite.com <mboynton(at)excite.com>
> > > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > > > Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 7:32 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >To Mike Cushway and all,
> > > > >
> > > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about the
> > > > streamline
> > > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced
> > internally,
> > > > and what
> > > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and
> > what is the
> > > > source?
> > > > >
> > > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about
> > figuring out
> > > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?
> > > > >
> > > > >Mark Boynton
> > > > >Gilbert, Arizona
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the bicycle
> > > > industry we
> > > > >call
> > > > >> it airfoil tubing)
> > > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall
> > auminum tubing. The
> > > > major
> > > > >axis
> > > > >> is 3.125 and
> > > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys
> > think that it
> > > > would
> > > > >work
> > > > >> for lift struts.
> > > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> John Greenlee wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type steel
> > > > you'll
> > > > >gain
> > > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline tube
> > > > will carry
> > > > >a
> > > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a
> > Cub are P L E N
> > > > T Y
> > > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust and
> > > > corrosion.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft
> > steel was 1020.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small
> > tubes. I've
> > > > never
> > > > >heard
> > > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from
> > negative gs) and
> > > > causing
> > > > >an
> > > > >> > accident in a Piet.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > John
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> > From: wayne
> > > > >> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > > > >> > Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 7:30 PM
> > > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined struts
> > > > from cubs.
> > > > >Is
> > > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way
> > to tell? I'd
> > > > like
> > > > >to
> > > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic
> > said he used
> > > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the
> > standard wing
> > > > strut
> > > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was
> > welded inside
> > > > the
> > > > >other
> > > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's the
> > > > group
> > > > >opinion
> > > > >> > >here?
> > > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single
> > or going dual
> > > > >ignition?
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >_______________________________________________________
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________________
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piet's and Grega's |
Leo;
Piets have the charisma, history and nostalgia of an old design. The GN-1
is a good plane that one fella thought he could "improve" on the Piet using
(at that time) common parts and some different geometry as to strut/wing
attach methods. A Piet is a Piet and a GN-1 is a GN-1. Both will do the
trick. The Piet just has that history to it
tho....................................
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov>
Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:17 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet's and Grega's
>>Leo:
>> The GN1 is a clone of the Piet by Grega.... not a model of the
>
>
>Leo- Both the Piet and GN-1 look the same from a distance and
>pretty much fly the same. Both are VERY fun airplanes and are
>economical to build, fly, and maintain. Here are the differences though in
>a nutshell: (I hope:)
>
>1) Piets are lighter. (generally speaking...depends on the builder of
course)
>
>2)Piets have fewer metal fittings.
>
>3)GN-1 wing fittings do NOT allow you to adjust your wing fore and
> aft to adjust your center of gravity to account for various engine,
fuel
> loading considerations. (ie you switch from a Ford to Subaru or
>Continental)
>
>4)GN-1's have large gaps in their control surface attachment points.
>
>5)GN-1's used to be a bit faster and cheaper to build because they
incorporate
> some Cub parts which used to be inexpensive and easy to find when the
GN-1
> design came out.
>
>6)Both planes are nicknamed 'Air Camper' (Aircamper) thus easily
confused.
>
>7)Bernard Pietenpol was not big into advertising his plans so when the GN-1
>came
> out in trade magazines most folks just thought they were buying
>Pietenpol plans.
>
>8)John W. Grega is still around at 80 some years old and living in Bedford,
>Ohio.
> I have met him at local fly-ins. Unless my info is wrong he has never
>built his own design.
>
>9)You'll find that most GN-1's are powered by Continental engines in the 75
>to 90 hp range
> due to their inherent heavier empty weight.
>
>10) Disclaimer- I was fortunate enough to fly Joe Leonard's GN-1 several
>years ago here in
> Ohio and just thought it was a pure joy to fly. Then again so are
>Pietenpols !
>
>Mike C.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
I noticed in the Pietnepol Directory that some Piet builders have built a two-piece
wing. Does anyone know if a drawing exists for a two-piece wing? I think
it is worth looking into. Fewer fittings, easier to make, etc. Thanks, Bart
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve W <vistin(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Soob powerd Piets! |
When the "Soob" is used as power for the Piet is a redrive used on it, or
is it run direct?!
Thanks
Steve
Jes maken "WoodChips" heah in Missippippi!
url= http://www2.misnet.com/~vistin
email= vistin(at)juno.com
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Streamlined tube |
Yes
Seems plenty expensive..... The old balsa glued to the back side
of the strut and wrapped with "pinked tape" and doped works fairly
well and isn't to expensive, It damn sure would look "period".
H.W.
-----Original Message-----
From: steve(at)byu.edu
Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 10:19 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Streamlined tube
>This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?
>
>Steve Eldredge
>IT Services
>Brigham Young University
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Behalf Of Ken
>> Beanlands
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
>>
>>
>> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered
>> the stuff
>> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as
>> they were
>> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else call this
>> morning? ;-)
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
>>
>> > Howard'
>> >
>> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without
>> shipping, is for four -
>> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be a good
>> > alternative.
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> >
>> > > Mark:
>> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'
>> lengths which will
>> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material
>> fits over your
>> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per
>> foot. LEAF part
>> > > # A2685
>> > >
>> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC
>> > >
>> > > H.W.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: mboynton(at)excite.com <mboynton(at)excite.com>
>> > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> > > Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 7:32 AM
>> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,
>> > > >
>> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about
the
>> > > streamline
>> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced
>> internally,
>> > > and what
>> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and
>> what is the
>> > > source?
>> > > >
>> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about
>> figuring out
>> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?
>> > > >
>> > > >Mark Boynton
>> > > >Gilbert, Arizona
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the
bicycle
>> > > industry we
>> > > >call
>> > > >> it airfoil tubing)
>> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall
>> auminum tubing. The
>> > > major
>> > > >axis
>> > > >> is 3.125 and
>> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys
>> think that it
>> > > would
>> > > >work
>> > > >> for lift struts.
>> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type
steel
>> > > you'll
>> > > >gain
>> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline
tube
>> > > will carry
>> > > >a
>> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a
>> Cub are P L E N
>> > > T Y
>> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust
and
>> > > corrosion.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft
>> steel was 1020.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small
>> tubes. I've
>> > > never
>> > > >heard
>> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from
>> negative gs) and
>> > > causing
>> > > >an
>> > > >> > accident in a Piet.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > John
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
>> > > >> > From: wayne
>> > > >> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> > > >> > Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 7:30 PM
>> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined
struts
>> > > from cubs.
>> > > >Is
>> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way
>> to tell? I'd
>> > > like
>> > > >to
>> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic
>> said he used
>> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the
>> standard wing
>> > > strut
>> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was
>> welded inside
>> > > the
>> > > >other
>> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's
the
>> > > group
>> > > >opinion
>> > > >> > >here?
>> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single
>> or going dual
>> > > >ignition?
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >_______________________________________________________
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________________
>> >
>>
>>
>> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your
eyes
>> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always
be.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Streamlined tube |
I guess you haven't priced out balsa wood in a while. I tried several
sources including hobby shops (VERY expensive) and speciality wood stores
(best price). To get enough to do my struts, I was looking at well over
$200 USD, and you still had to carve them to shape!
Ken
On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, Howard Wilkinson wrote:
> Yes
> Seems plenty expensive..... The old balsa glued to the back side
> of the strut and wrapped with "pinked tape" and doped works fairly
> well and isn't to expensive, It damn sure would look "period".
> H.W.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: steve(at)byu.edu
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 10:19 AM
> Subject: RE: Streamlined tube
>
>
> >This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?
> >
> >Steve Eldredge
> >IT Services
> >Brigham Young University
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> Behalf Of Ken
> >> Beanlands
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM
> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
> >>
> >>
> >> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered
> >> the stuff
> >> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as
> >> they were
> >> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else call this
> >> morning? ;-)
> >>
> >> Ken
> >>
> >> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > Howard'
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without
> >> shipping, is for four -
> >> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be a good
> >> > alternative.
> >> >
> >> > Mark
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Mark:
> >> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'
> >> lengths which will
> >> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material
> >> fits over your
> >> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per
> >> foot. LEAF part
> >> > > # A2685
> >> > >
> >> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC
> >> > >
> >> > > H.W.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: mboynton(at)excite.com <mboynton(at)excite.com>
> >> > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> > > Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 7:32 AM
> >> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about
> the
> >> > > streamline
> >> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced
> >> internally,
> >> > > and what
> >> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and
> >> what is the
> >> > > source?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about
> >> figuring out
> >> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Mark Boynton
> >> > > >Gilbert, Arizona
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the
> bicycle
> >> > > industry we
> >> > > >call
> >> > > >> it airfoil tubing)
> >> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall
> >> auminum tubing. The
> >> > > major
> >> > > >axis
> >> > > >> is 3.125 and
> >> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys
> >> think that it
> >> > > would
> >> > > >work
> >> > > >> for lift struts.
> >> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type
> steel
> >> > > you'll
> >> > > >gain
> >> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline
> tube
> >> > > will carry
> >> > > >a
> >> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a
> >> Cub are P L E N
> >> > > T Y
> >> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust
> and
> >> > > corrosion.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft
> >> steel was 1020.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small
> >> tubes. I've
> >> > > never
> >> > > >heard
> >> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from
> >> negative gs) and
> >> > > causing
> >> > > >an
> >> > > >> > accident in a Piet.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > John
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > >> > From: wayne
> >> > > >> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> > > >> > Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 7:30 PM
> >> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined
> struts
> >> > > from cubs.
> >> > > >Is
> >> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way
> >> to tell? I'd
> >> > > like
> >> > > >to
> >> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic
> >> said he used
> >> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the
> >> standard wing
> >> > > strut
> >> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was
> >> welded inside
> >> > > the
> >> > > >other
> >> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's
> the
> >> > > group
> >> > > >opinion
> >> > > >> > >here?
> >> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single
> >> or going dual
> >> > > >ignition?
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >_______________________________________________________
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________________
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your
> eyes
> >> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always
> be.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Streamlined tube |
Had the same "sticker shock" on pricing balsa wood!
Warren
Ken Beanlands wrote:
> I guess you haven't priced out balsa wood in a while. I tried several
> sources including hobby shops (VERY expensive) and speciality wood stores
> (best price). To get enough to do my struts, I was looking at well over
> $200 USD, and you still had to carve them to shape!
>
> Ken
>
> On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, Howard Wilkinson wrote:
>
> > Yes
> > Seems plenty expensive..... The old balsa glued to the back side
> > of the strut and wrapped with "pinked tape" and doped works fairly
> > well and isn't to expensive, It damn sure would look "period".
> > H.W.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: steve(at)byu.edu
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 10:19 AM
> > Subject: RE: Streamlined tube
> >
> >
> > >This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?
> > >
> > >Steve Eldredge
> > >IT Services
> > >Brigham Young University
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> Behalf Of Ken
> > >> Beanlands
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM
> > >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered
> > >> the stuff
> > >> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as
> > >> they were
> > >> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else call this
> > >> morning? ;-)
> > >>
> > >> Ken
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Howard'
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without
> > >> shipping, is for four -
> > >> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be a good
> > >> > alternative.
> > >> >
> > >> > Mark
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > > Mark:
> > >> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'
> > >> lengths which will
> > >> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material
> > >> fits over your
> > >> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per
> > >> foot. LEAF part
> > >> > > # A2685
> > >> > >
> > >> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC
> > >> > >
> > >> > > H.W.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > From: mboynton(at)excite.com <mboynton(at)excite.com>
> > >> > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >> > > Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 7:32 AM
> > >> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about
> > the
> > >> > > streamline
> > >> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced
> > >> internally,
> > >> > > and what
> > >> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and
> > >> what is the
> > >> > > source?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about
> > >> figuring out
> > >> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >Mark Boynton
> > >> > > >Gilbert, Arizona
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the
> > bicycle
> > >> > > industry we
> > >> > > >call
> > >> > > >> it airfoil tubing)
> > >> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall
> > >> auminum tubing. The
> > >> > > major
> > >> > > >axis
> > >> > > >> is 3.125 and
> > >> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys
> > >> think that it
> > >> > > would
> > >> > > >work
> > >> > > >> for lift struts.
> > >> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type
> > steel
> > >> > > you'll
> > >> > > >gain
> > >> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline
> > tube
> > >> > > will carry
> > >> > > >a
> > >> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a
> > >> Cub are P L E N
> > >> > > T Y
> > >> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust
> > and
> > >> > > corrosion.
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft
> > >> steel was 1020.
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small
> > >> tubes. I've
> > >> > > never
> > >> > > >heard
> > >> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from
> > >> negative gs) and
> > >> > > causing
> > >> > > >an
> > >> > > >> > accident in a Piet.
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > John
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > >> > From: wayne
> > >> > > >> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >> > > >> > Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 7:30 PM
> > >> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > >
> > >> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined
> > struts
> > >> > > from cubs.
> > >> > > >Is
> > >> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way
> > >> to tell? I'd
> > >> > > like
> > >> > > >to
> > >> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic
> > >> said he used
> > >> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the
> > >> standard wing
> > >> > > strut
> > >> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was
> > >> welded inside
> > >> > > the
> > >> > > >other
> > >> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's
> > the
> > >> > > group
> > >> > > >opinion
> > >> > > >> > >here?
> > >> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single
> > >> or going dual
> > >> > > >ignition?
> > >> > > >> > >
> > >> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg
> > >> > > >> > >
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >_______________________________________________________
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > _______________________________________________________
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your
> > eyes
> > >> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always
> > be.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC" |
| Subject: | FW: TWO PIECE WING |
Conrad,
Well from what I've seen of the 2 piece wing. It is fixed("A" Frame) like on
the Baby Ace and does not lend itself to movement back and forth to adjust
the weight and balance. I would stick with a proven design. Once you make
changes it ripples through out the wing and fitting design. I speak from
experience as I have modified my wing. sometimes I wish I hadn't.
Domenic
----------
________________________________________________________________________________
I noticed in the Pietnepol Directory that some Piet builders have built a
two-piece wing. Does anyone know if a drawing exists for a two-piece wing?
I think it is worth looking into. Fewer fittings, easier to make, etc.
Thanks, Bart
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | lolata <lolata(at)sercomtel.com.br> |
| Subject: | Re: Streamlined tube |
Why don't you use styrofoam (blue foam from DOW ) to make the streaml=
ine
and cover it with thin fiberglass.
Luis Lolata (Pietenpol, my next aircraft !!)
lolata(at)sercomtel.com.br
> De: Ken Beanlands
> Para: Pietenpol Discussion
> Assunto: Re: Streamlined tube
> Data: Ter=E7a-feira, 8 de Junho de 1999 16:27
>
> I guess you haven't priced out balsa wood in a while. I tried sever=
al
> sources including hobby shops (VERY expensive) and speciality wood
stores
> (best price). To get enough to do my struts, I was looking at well
over
> $200 USD, and you still had to carve them to shape!
>
> Ken
>
> On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, Howard Wilkinson wrote:
>
> > Yes
> > Seems plenty expensive..... The old balsa glued to the back
side
> > of the strut and wrapped with "pinked tape" and doped works fairl=
y
> > well and isn't to expensive, It damn sure would look "period".
> > H.W.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: steve(at)byu.edu
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 10:19 AM
> > Subject: RE: Streamlined tube
> >
> >
> > >This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?
> > >
> > >Steve Eldredge
> > >IT Services
> > >Brigham Young University
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> Behalf Of Ken
> > >> Beanlands
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM
> > >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered
> > >> the stuff
> > >> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as
> > >> they were
> > >> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else call=
this
> > >> morning? ;-)
> > >>
> > >> Ken
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Howard'
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without
> > >> shipping, is for four -
> > >> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be a
good
> > >> > alternative.
> > >> >
> > >> > Mark
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > > Mark:
> > >> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'
> > >> lengths which will
> > >> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material
> > >> fits over your
> > >> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per
> > >> foot. LEAF part
> > >> > > # A2685
> > >> > >
> > >> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC
> > >> > >
> > >> > > H.W.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > From: mboynton(at)excite.com <mboynton(at)excite.com>
> > >> > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >> > > Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 7:32 AM
> > >> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information abo=
ut
> > the
> > >> > > streamline
> > >> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced
> > >> internally,
> > >> > > and what
> > >> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and
> > >> what is the
> > >> > > source?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about
> > >> figuring out
> > >> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing=
?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >Mark Boynton
> > >> > > >Gilbert, Arizona
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the
> > bicycle
> > >> > > industry we
> > >> > > >call
> > >> > > >> it airfoil tubing)
> > >> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall
> > >> auminum tubing. The
> > >> > > major
> > >> > > >axis
> > >> > > >> is 3.125 and
> > >> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys
> > >> think that it
> > >> > > would
> > >> > > >work
> > >> > > >> for lift struts.
> > >> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 ty=
pe
> > steel
> > >> > > you'll
> > >> > > >gain
> > >> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streaml=
ine
> > tube
> > >> > > will carry
> > >> > > >a
> > >> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a
> > >> Cub are P L E N
> > >> > > T Y
> > >> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for r=
ust
> > and
> > >> > > corrosion.
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft
> > >> steel was 1020.
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small
> > >> tubes. I've
> > >> > > never
> > >> > > >heard
> > >> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from
> > >> negative gs) and
> > >> > > causing
> > >> > > >an
> > >> > > >> > accident in a Piet.
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > John
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > >> > From: wayne
> > >> > > >> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >> > > >> > Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 7:30 PM
> > >> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > >
> > >> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamline=
d
> > struts
> > >> > > from cubs.
> > >> > > >Is
> > >> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way
> > >> to tell? I'd
> > >> > > like
> > >> > > >to
> > >> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic
> > >> said he used
> > >> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the
> > >> standard wing
> > >> > > strut
> > >> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was
> > >> welded inside
> > >> > > the
> > >> > > >other
> > >> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. Wha=
t's
> > the
> > >> > > group
> > >> > > >opinion
> > >> > > >> > >here?
> > >> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single
> > >> or going dual
> > >> > > >ignition?
> > >> > > >> > >
> > >> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg
> > >> > > >> > >
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >_______________________________________________________
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > _______________________________________________________
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
****
)
> > >>
-GREN
lan>
> > >> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with yo=
ur
> > eyes
> > >> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will alw=
ays
> > be.
> > >>
****
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
**
>
> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your ey=
es
> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always b=
e.
**
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Streamlined tube |
Ken Beanlands wrote:
>
> I guess you haven't priced out balsa wood in a while. I tried several
> sources including hobby shops (VERY expensive) and speciality wood stores
> (best price). To get enough to do my struts, I was looking at well over
> $200 USD, and you still had to carve them to shape!
Have you considered fibergalss over foam?
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mboynton(at)excite.com |
| Subject: | Re: Streamlined tube |
Howard, Steve and others,
the LEAF product is a PVC shell - not structural. At least that's what LEAF
told me. They also told me their general catalog is available for $6.00.
They specialize in light-plane and ultra-light products.
Mark
> Yes
> Seems plenty expensive..... The old balsa glued to the back side
> of the strut and wrapped with "pinked tape" and doped works fairly
> well and isn't to expensive, It damn sure would look "period".
> H.W.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: steve(at)byu.edu
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 10:19 AM
> Subject: RE: Streamlined tube
>
>
> >This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?
> >
> >Steve Eldredge
> >IT Services
> >Brigham Young University
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> Behalf Of Ken
> >> Beanlands
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM
> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
> >>
> >>
> >> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered
> >> the stuff
> >> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as
> >> they were
> >> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else call this
> >> morning? ;-)
> >>
> >> Ken
> >>
> >> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > Howard'
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without
> >> shipping, is for four -
> >> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be a good
> >> > alternative.
> >> >
> >> > Mark
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Mark:
> >> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'
> >> lengths which will
> >> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material
> >> fits over your
> >> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per
> >> foot. LEAF part
> >> > > # A2685
> >> > >
> >> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC
> >> > >
> >> > > H.W.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: mboynton(at)excite.com <mboynton(at)excite.com>
> >> > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> > > Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 7:32 AM
> >> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about
> the
> >> > > streamline
> >> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced
> >> internally,
> >> > > and what
> >> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and
> >> what is the
> >> > > source?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about
> >> figuring out
> >> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Mark Boynton
> >> > > >Gilbert, Arizona
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the
> bicycle
> >> > > industry we
> >> > > >call
> >> > > >> it airfoil tubing)
> >> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall
> >> auminum tubing. The
> >> > > major
> >> > > >axis
> >> > > >> is 3.125 and
> >> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys
> >> think that it
> >> > > would
> >> > > >work
> >> > > >> for lift struts.
> >> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type
> steel
> >> > > you'll
> >> > > >gain
> >> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline
> tube
> >> > > will carry
> >> > > >a
> >> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a
> >> Cub are P L E N
> >> > > T Y
> >> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust
> and
> >> > > corrosion.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft
> >> steel was 1020.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small
> >> tubes. I've
> >> > > never
> >> > > >heard
> >> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from
> >> negative gs) and
> >> > > causing
> >> > > >an
> >> > > >> > accident in a Piet.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > John
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > >> > From: wayne
> >> > > >> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> > > >> > Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 7:30 PM
> >> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined
> struts
> >> > > from cubs.
> >> > > >Is
> >> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way
> >> to tell? I'd
> >> > > like
> >> > > >to
> >> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic
> >> said he used
> >> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the
> >> standard wing
> >> > > strut
> >> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was
> >> welded inside
> >> > > the
> >> > > >other
> >> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's
> the
> >> > > group
> >> > > >opinion
> >> > > >> > >here?
> >> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single
> >> or going dual
> >> > > >ignition?
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >_______________________________________________________
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________________
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your
> eyes
> >> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always
> be.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Streamlined tube |
LEAF actually stands for Leading Edge Air Foils and are deeply rooted in
the ultralight and light plane market. They are dealers for the full line
of Rotax engines and parts and also sell several kits and plans like the
Neuiports replica that the Kansas City Dawn Partol fly. They've been
around for years and are quite reputable.
Ken
On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
> Howard, Steve and others,
>
> the LEAF product is a PVC shell - not structural. At least that's what LEAF
> told me. They also told me their general catalog is available for $6.00.
> They specialize in light-plane and ultra-light products.
>
> Mark
>
>
> > Yes
> > Seems plenty expensive..... The old balsa glued to the back side
> > of the strut and wrapped with "pinked tape" and doped works fairly
> > well and isn't to expensive, It damn sure would look "period".
> > H.W.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: steve(at)byu.edu
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 10:19 AM
> > Subject: RE: Streamlined tube
> >
> >
> > >This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?
> > >
> > >Steve Eldredge
> > >IT Services
> > >Brigham Young University
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> Behalf Of Ken
> > >> Beanlands
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM
> > >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered
> > >> the stuff
> > >> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as
> > >> they were
> > >> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else call this
> > >> morning? ;-)
> > >>
> > >> Ken
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Howard'
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without
> > >> shipping, is for four -
> > >> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be a good
> > >> > alternative.
> > >> >
> > >> > Mark
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > > Mark:
> > >> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'
> > >> lengths which will
> > >> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material
> > >> fits over your
> > >> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per
> > >> foot. LEAF part
> > >> > > # A2685
> > >> > >
> > >> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC
> > >> > >
> > >> > > H.W.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > From: mboynton(at)excite.com <mboynton(at)excite.com>
> > >> > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >> > > Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 7:32 AM
> > >> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about
> > the
> > >> > > streamline
> > >> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced
> > >> internally,
> > >> > > and what
> > >> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and
> > >> what is the
> > >> > > source?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about
> > >> figuring out
> > >> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >Mark Boynton
> > >> > > >Gilbert, Arizona
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the
> > bicycle
> > >> > > industry we
> > >> > > >call
> > >> > > >> it airfoil tubing)
> > >> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall
> > >> auminum tubing. The
> > >> > > major
> > >> > > >axis
> > >> > > >> is 3.125 and
> > >> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys
> > >> think that it
> > >> > > would
> > >> > > >work
> > >> > > >> for lift struts.
> > >> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type
> > steel
> > >> > > you'll
> > >> > > >gain
> > >> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline
> > tube
> > >> > > will carry
> > >> > > >a
> > >> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a
> > >> Cub are P L E N
> > >> > > T Y
> > >> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust
> > and
> > >> > > corrosion.
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft
> > >> steel was 1020.
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small
> > >> tubes. I've
> > >> > > never
> > >> > > >heard
> > >> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from
> > >> negative gs) and
> > >> > > causing
> > >> > > >an
> > >> > > >> > accident in a Piet.
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > John
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > >> > From: wayne
> > >> > > >> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >> > > >> > Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 7:30 PM
> > >> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > >
> > >> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined
> > struts
> > >> > > from cubs.
> > >> > > >Is
> > >> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way
> > >> to tell? I'd
> > >> > > like
> > >> > > >to
> > >> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic
> > >> said he used
> > >> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the
> > >> standard wing
> > >> > > strut
> > >> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was
> > >> welded inside
> > >> > > the
> > >> > > >other
> > >> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's
> > the
> > >> > > group
> > >> > > >opinion
> > >> > > >> > >here?
> > >> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single
> > >> or going dual
> > >> > > >ignition?
> > >> > > >> > >
> > >> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg
> > >> > > >> > >
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >_______________________________________________________
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > _______________________________________________________
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your
> > eyes
> > >> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always
> > be.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Streamlined tube |
Yes, but this is lighter and faster. It will probably shave a week or two
off the building time and I'm really hoping to get in the air this summer.
Ken
On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, Patrick Panzera wrote:
> Ken Beanlands wrote:
> >
> > I guess you haven't priced out balsa wood in a while. I tried several
> > sources including hobby shops (VERY expensive) and speciality wood stores
> > (best price). To get enough to do my struts, I was looking at well over
> > $200 USD, and you still had to carve them to shape!
>
> Have you considered fibergalss over foam?
>
> Pat
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Piet's and Grega's |
Michael D Cuy wrote:
>
> >Just wondering why Corvair was left off this list. Is it taboo?
> >Is it not the preferred air cooled engine for the Piet? Why
> >would someone go through the trouble and expense of installing a
> >water cooled Sube, when the Piet is proven with the 'vair?
> >
> >Pat
>
> Pat- Bernie Pietenpol built 26 Pietenpols in his lifetime and if I'm
> not
> mistaken he powered them with many, many, various engines some of
> which I'll try to list below. Some of these listed below Bernie may
> not have
> tried but others have. Chime in if anyone knows of some 'odd ones'
> we've all not
> heard of.
>
> Velie
> Model T (Scout)
> Model A
> Model B
> Corvair
> Continental
> Subaru
> Ford Fiesta
> V-8's
> LeBlond
> Lycoming
> Franklin
> Funk
> Mercedes diesel
Add Chevy 2.5 L four - Yep just like that in my Chevy S-10.
Bert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | fishin <fishin(at)wwa.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet's and Grega's |
"Sayre, William G" wrote:
> Have photos of;
>
> Vega power
> Alum Buick V-8
> Two Cont stacked on top of each other driving two props in an X shape.
HERE'S AN UPDATE ON THE TWIN ENGINE PIET...IT IS CO-OWNED BY 3 FELLLOW MEMBERS
OF CHAPTER 217 IN KENOSHA WI..WHEN AS A TWIN IT BARELY FLEW,, WAY TOO HEAVY AND
ATROCIOUS BALANCE..COULDN'T FLY ON ONE...HAS SINCE BEEN REBUILT AS SINGLE A65 POWERED
AND SHOULD BE FLYING BY MID SUMMER..I'M GUESSING IT'S THE ONLY PIET WITH
DROOPED
WING TIPS...I'LL TRY TO GET A PICTURE OF IT AT THE NEXT CHAPTER MEETING FOR RICHARD'S
WEB SITE.
JOEC
ZION, ILL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net> |
| Subject: | foam..... Streamlined tube |
If somebody is going to foam streamline a strut, let me suggest the
use of polyurethane foam rather than "blue" foam which is an extruded
polystyrene. The blue XPS is not compatable with solvents and if
fibreglasses must be done with epoxy rather than polyester resin for
that reason. The blue foam is not as easy to shape except by hot
wiring. Polyurethane foam is crumbly and can easily be carved or
rasped into shape. rubbing two blocks of it together makes a fairly
good technique for shaping it. H.W.
-----Original Message-----
=46rom: lolata
Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 1:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Streamlined tube
>Why don't you use styrofoam (blue foam from DOW ) to make the
streamline
>and cover it with thin fiberglass.
>
>Luis Lolata (Pietenpol, my next aircraft !!)
>
>lolata(at)sercomtel.com.br
>
>----------
>> De: Ken Beanlands
>> Para: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Assunto: Re: Streamlined tube
>> Data: Ter=E7a-feira, 8 de Junho de 1999 16:27
>>
>> I guess you haven't priced out balsa wood in a while. I tried
several
>> sources including hobby shops (VERY expensive) and speciality wood
stores
>> (best price). To get enough to do my struts, I was looking at well
over
>> $200 USD, and you still had to carve them to shape!
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, Howard Wilkinson wrote:
>>
>> > Yes
>> > Seems plenty expensive..... The old balsa glued to the back
side
>> > of the strut and wrapped with "pinked tape" and doped works
fairly
>> > well and isn't to expensive, It damn sure would look "period".
>> > H.W.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: steve(at)byu.edu
>> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> > Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 10:19 AM
>> > Subject: RE: Streamlined tube
>> >
>> >
>> > >This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?
>> > >
>> > >Steve Eldredge
>> > >IT Services
>> > >Brigham Young University
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > >> Behalf Of Ken
>> > >> Beanlands
>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM
>> > >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> > >> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered
>> > >> the stuff
>> > >> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as
>> > >> they were
>> > >> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else cal=
l
this
>> > >> morning? ;-)
>> > >>
>> > >> Ken
>> > >>
>> > >> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > Howard'
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without
>> > >> shipping, is for four -
>> > >> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be a
good
>> > >> > alternative.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Mark
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > > Mark:
>> > >> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'
>> > >> lengths which will
>> > >> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material
>> > >> fits over your
>> > >> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per
>> > >> foot. LEAF part
>> > >> > > # A2685
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > H.W.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > >> > > From: mboynton(at)excite.com <mboynton(at)excite.com>
>> > >> > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> > >> > > Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 7:32 AM
>> > >> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information
about
>> > the
>> > >> > > streamline
>> > >> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced
>> > >> internally,
>> > >> > > and what
>> > >> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and
>> > >> what is the
>> > >> > > source?
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about
>> > >> figuring out
>> > >> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline
tubing?
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >Mark Boynton
>> > >> > > >Gilbert, Arizona
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the
>> > bicycle
>> > >> > > industry we
>> > >> > > >call
>> > >> > > >> it airfoil tubing)
>> > >> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall
>> > >> auminum tubing. The
>> > >> > > major
>> > >> > > >axis
>> > >> > > >> is 3.125 and
>> > >> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys
>> > >> think that it
>> > >> > > would
>> > >> > > >work
>> > >> > > >> for lift struts.
>> > >> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.
>> > >> > > >>
>> > >> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:
>> > >> > > >>
>> > >> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......
>> > >> > > >> >
>> > >> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130
type
>> > steel
>> > >> > > you'll
>> > >> > > >gain
>> > >> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section
streamline
>> > tube
>> > >> > > will carry
>> > >> > > >a
>> > >> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a
>> > >> Cub are P L E N
>> > >> > > T Y
>> > >> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for
rust
>> > and
>> > >> > > corrosion.
>> > >> > > >> >
>> > >> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft
>> > >> steel was 1020.
>> > >> > > >> >
>> > >> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small
>> > >> tubes. I've
>> > >> > > never
>> > >> > > >heard
>> > >> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from
>> > >> negative gs) and
>> > >> > > causing
>> > >> > > >an
>> > >> > > >> > accident in a Piet.
>> > >> > > >> >
>> > >> > > >> > John
>> > >> > > >> >
>> > >> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
>> > >> > > >> > From: wayne
>> > >> > > >> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> > >> > > >> > Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 7:30 PM
>> > >> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube
>> > >> > > >> >
>> > >> > > >> > >
>> > >> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of
streamlined
>> > struts
>> > >> > > from cubs.
>> > >> > > >Is
>> > >> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way
>> > >> to tell? I'd
>> > >> > > like
>> > >> > > >to
>> > >> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic
>> > >> said he used
>> > >> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the
>> > >> standard wing
>> > >> > > strut
>> > >> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was
>> > >> welded inside
>> > >> > > the
>> > >> > > >other
>> > >> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient.
What's
>> > the
>> > >> > > group
>> > >> > > >opinion
>> > >> > > >> > >here?
>> > >> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single
>> > >> or going dual
>> > >> > > >ignition?
>> > >> > > >> > >
>> > >> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg
>> > >> > > >> > >
>> > >> > > >>
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >_______________________________________________________
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > _______________________________________________________
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
(Aerospace)
>> > >>
C-GREN
>> > >> (_) (_)
<http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
>> > >> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with
your
>> > eyes
>> > >> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will
always
>> > be.
>> > >>
>> >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
N
>> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your
eyes
>> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always
be.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Greenlee <jgreenlee(at)morgan.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Streamlined tube |
I used some 6061t6 streamline tubing (not oval) which is reasonable in price
and appears to be PLENTY strong though not as strong as 4130. I did a post
last year that covered some particulars. I'll dig the info up if your
interested.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net>
Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 9:55 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Streamlined tube
>Mark:
> LEAF has streamlining material available in 10' lengths which will
>fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material fits over your
>existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per foot. LEAF part
># A2685
>
>LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC
>
>H.W.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mboynton(at)excite.com <mboynton(at)excite.com>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 7:32 AM
>Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
>
>
>>To Mike Cushway and all,
>>
>>Mike, could you give us all a little more information about the
>streamline
>>tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced internally,
>and what
>>about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and what is the
>source?
>>
>>To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about figuring out
>>acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?
>>
>>Mark Boynton
>>Gilbert, Arizona
>>
>>
>>> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the bicycle
>industry we
>>call
>>> it airfoil tubing)
>>> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall auminum tubing. The
>major
>>axis
>>> is 3.125 and
>>> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys think that it
>would
>>work
>>> for lift struts.
>>> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.
>>>
>>> John Greenlee wrote:
>>>
>>> > I ain't no engineer but......
>>> >
>>> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type steel
>you'll
>>gain
>>> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline tube
>will carry
>>a
>>> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a Cub are P L E N
>T Y
>>> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust and
>corrosion.
>>> >
>>> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft steel was 1020.
>>> >
>>> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small tubes. I've
>never
>>heard
>>> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from negative gs) and
>causing
>>an
>>> > accident in a Piet.
>>> >
>>> > John
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: wayne
>>> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>> > Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 7:30 PM
>>> > Subject: Streamlined tube
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined struts
>from cubs.
>>Is
>>> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way to tell? I'd
>like
>>to
>>> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic said he used
>>> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the standard wing
>strut
>>> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was welded inside
>the
>>other
>>> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's the
>group
>>opinion
>>> > >here?
>>> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single or going dual
>>ignition?
>>> > >
>>> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg
>>> > >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Greenlee <jgreenlee(at)morgan.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Streamlined tube |
All four main struts in 6061T6 aluminum were not much more than $100.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: mboynton(at)excite.com <mboynton(at)excite.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Streamlined tube
>Howard'
>
>Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without shipping, is for four -
>ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be a good
>alternative.
>
>Mark
>
>
>> Mark:
>> LEAF has streamlining material available in 10' lengths which will
>> fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material fits over your
>> existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per foot. LEAF part
>> # A2685
>>
>> LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC
>>
>> H.W.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mboynton(at)excite.com <mboynton(at)excite.com>
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 7:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
>>
>>
>> >To Mike Cushway and all,
>> >
>> >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about the
>> streamline
>> >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced internally,
>> and what
>> >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and what is the
>> source?
>> >
>> >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about figuring out
>> >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?
>> >
>> >Mark Boynton
>> >Gilbert, Arizona
>> >
>> >
>> >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the bicycle
>> industry we
>> >call
>> >> it airfoil tubing)
>> >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall auminum tubing. The
>> major
>> >axis
>> >> is 3.125 and
>> >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys think that it
>> would
>> >work
>> >> for lift struts.
>> >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.
>> >>
>> >> John Greenlee wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I ain't no engineer but......
>> >> >
>> >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type steel
>> you'll
>> >gain
>> >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline tube
>> will carry
>> >a
>> >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a Cub are P L E N
>> T Y
>> >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust and
>> corrosion.
>> >> >
>> >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft steel was 1020.
>> >> >
>> >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small tubes. I've
>> never
>> >heard
>> >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from negative gs) and
>> causing
>> >an
>> >> > accident in a Piet.
>> >> >
>> >> > John
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: wayne
>> >> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> >> > Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 7:30 PM
>> >> > Subject: Streamlined tube
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined struts
>> from cubs.
>> >Is
>> >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way to tell? I'd
>> like
>> >to
>> >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic said he used
>> >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the standard wing
>> strut
>> >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was welded inside
>> the
>> >other
>> >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's the
>> group
>> >opinion
>> >> > >here?
>> >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single or going dual
>> >ignition?
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________________
>> >
>>
>
>
>_______________________________________________________
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Greenlee <jgreenlee(at)morgan.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Streamlined tube |
I agree.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net>
Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 2:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Streamlined tube
>Yes
> Seems plenty expensive..... The old balsa glued to the back side
>of the strut and wrapped with "pinked tape" and doped works fairly
>well and isn't to expensive, It damn sure would look "period".
>H.W.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: steve(at)byu.edu
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 10:19 AM
>Subject: RE: Streamlined tube
>
>
>>This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?
>>
>>Steve Eldredge
>>IT Services
>>Brigham Young University
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> Behalf Of Ken
>>> Beanlands
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM
>>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
>>>
>>>
>>> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered
>>> the stuff
>>> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as
>>> they were
>>> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else call this
>>> morning? ;-)
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
>>>
>>> > Howard'
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without
>>> shipping, is for four -
>>> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be a good
>>> > alternative.
>>> >
>>> > Mark
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > > Mark:
>>> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'
>>> lengths which will
>>> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material
>>> fits over your
>>> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per
>>> foot. LEAF part
>>> > > # A2685
>>> > >
>>> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC
>>> > >
>>> > > H.W.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > From: mboynton(at)excite.com <mboynton(at)excite.com>
>>> > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>> > > Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 7:32 AM
>>> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,
>>> > > >
>>> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about
>the
>>> > > streamline
>>> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced
>>> internally,
>>> > > and what
>>> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and
>>> what is the
>>> > > source?
>>> > > >
>>> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about
>>> figuring out
>>> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?
>>> > > >
>>> > > >Mark Boynton
>>> > > >Gilbert, Arizona
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the
>bicycle
>>> > > industry we
>>> > > >call
>>> > > >> it airfoil tubing)
>>> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall
>>> auminum tubing. The
>>> > > major
>>> > > >axis
>>> > > >> is 3.125 and
>>> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys
>>> think that it
>>> > > would
>>> > > >work
>>> > > >> for lift struts.
>>> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type
>steel
>>> > > you'll
>>> > > >gain
>>> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline
>tube
>>> > > will carry
>>> > > >a
>>> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a
>>> Cub are P L E N
>>> > > T Y
>>> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust
>and
>>> > > corrosion.
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft
>>> steel was 1020.
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small
>>> tubes. I've
>>> > > never
>>> > > >heard
>>> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from
>>> negative gs) and
>>> > > causing
>>> > > >an
>>> > > >> > accident in a Piet.
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> > John
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > >> > From: wayne
>>> > > >> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>> > > >> > Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 7:30 PM
>>> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> > >
>>> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined
>struts
>>> > > from cubs.
>>> > > >Is
>>> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way
>>> to tell? I'd
>>> > > like
>>> > > >to
>>> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic
>>> said he used
>>> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the
>>> standard wing
>>> > > strut
>>> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was
>>> welded inside
>>> > > the
>>> > > >other
>>> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's
>the
>>> > > group
>>> > > >opinion
>>> > > >> > >here?
>>> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single
>>> or going dual
>>> > > >ignition?
>>> > > >> > >
>>> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg
>>> > > >> > >
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >_______________________________________________________
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________________
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your
>eyes
>>> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always
>be.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Greenlee <jgreenlee(at)morgan.net> |
| Subject: | Re: foam..... Streamlined tube |
Hmmm,
I wonder if you could take this stuff, shape it, prime it with epoxy
primer,
and tape and dope it to the strut, spray with colored dope (or Poly-t=
one)
and pretend it was balsa for a 'period' look?
John
-----Original Message-----
=46rom: Howard Wilkinson
Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 6:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: foam..... Streamlined tube
>If somebody is going to foam streamline a strut, let me suggest the
>use of polyurethane foam rather than "blue" foam which is an extrude=
d
>polystyrene. The blue XPS is not compatable with solvents and if
>fibreglasses must be done with epoxy rather than polyester resin for
>that reason. The blue foam is not as easy to shape except by hot
>wiring. Polyurethane foam is crumbly and can easily be carved or
>rasped into shape. rubbing two blocks of it together makes a fairly
>good technique for shaping it. H.W.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: lolata <lolata(at)sercomtel.com.br>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 1:05 PM
>Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
>
>
>>Why don't you use styrofoam (blue foam from DOW ) to make the
>streamline
>>and cover it with thin fiberglass.
>>
>>Luis Lolata (Pietenpol, my next aircraft !!)
>>
>>lolata(at)sercomtel.com.br
>>
>>----------
>>> De: Ken Beanlands
>>> Para: Pietenpol Discussion
>>> Assunto: Re: Streamlined tube
>>> Data: Ter=E7a-feira, 8 de Junho de 1999 16:27
>>>
>>> I guess you haven't priced out balsa wood in a while. I tried
>several
>>> sources including hobby shops (VERY expensive) and speciality woo=
d
>stores
>>> (best price). To get enough to do my struts, I was looking at wel=
l
>over
>>> $200 USD, and you still had to carve them to shape!
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, Howard Wilkinson wrote:
>>>
>>> > Yes
>>> > Seems plenty expensive..... The old balsa glued to the bac=
k
>side
>>> > of the strut and wrapped with "pinked tape" and doped works
>fairly
>>> > well and isn't to expensive, It damn sure would look "period".
>>> > H.W.
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: steve(at)byu.edu
>>> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>> > Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 10:19 AM
>>> > Subject: RE: Streamlined tube
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?
>>> > >
>>> > >Steve Eldredge
>>> > >IT Services
>>> > >Brigham Young University
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>>> > >> Behalf Of Ken
>>> > >> Beanlands
>>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM
>>> > >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>> > >> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> They must think that there is something going on as I ordere=
d
>>> > >> the stuff
>>> > >> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery a=
s
>>> > >> they were
>>> > >> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else ca=
ll
>this
>>> > >> morning? ;-)
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Ken
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> > Howard'
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without
>>> > >> shipping, is for four -
>>> > >> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be
a
>good
>>> > >> > alternative.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Mark
>>> > >> >
:
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > > Mark:
>>> > >> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'
>>> > >> lengths which will
>>> > >> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material
>>> > >> fits over your
>>> > >> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per
>>> > >> foot. LEAF part
>>> > >> > > # A2685
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > > H.W.
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > >> > > From: mboynton(at)excite.com <mboynton(at)excite.com>
>>> > >> > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>> > >> > > Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 7:32 AM
>>> > >> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information
>about
>>> > the
>>> > >> > > streamline
>>> > >> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced
>>> > >> internally,
>>> > >> > > and what
>>> > >> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and
>>> > >> what is the
>>> > >> > > source?
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go abou=
t
>>> > >> figuring out
>>> > >> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline
>tubing?
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > >Mark Boynton
>>> > >> > > >Gilbert, Arizona
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in th=
e
>>> > bicycle
>>> > >> > > industry we
>>> > >> > > >call
>>> > >> > > >> it airfoil tubing)
>>> > >> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall
>>> > >> auminum tubing. The
>>> > >> > > major
>>> > >> > > >axis
>>> > >> > > >> is 3.125 and
>>> > >> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys
>>> > >> think that it
>>> > >> > > would
>>> > >> > > >work
>>> > >> > > >> for lift struts.
>>> > >> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut=
.
>>> > >> > > >>
>>> > >> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:
>>> > >> > > >>
>>> > >> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......
>>> > >> > > >> >
>>> > >> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130
>type
>>> > steel
>>> > >> > > you'll
>>> > >> > > >gain
>>> > >> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section
>streamline
>>> > tube
>>> > >> > > will carry
>>> > >> > > >a
>>> > >> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a
>>> > >> Cub are P L E N
>>> > >> > > T Y
>>> > >> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for
>rust
>>> > and
>>> > >> > > corrosion.
>>> > >> > > >> >
>>> > >> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft
>>> > >> steel was 1020.
>>> > >> > > >> >
>>> > >> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small
>>> > >> tubes. I've
>>> > >> > > never
>>> > >> > > >heard
>>> > >> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from
>>> > >> negative gs) and
>>> > >> > > causing
>>> > >> > > >an
>>> > >> > > >> > accident in a Piet.
>>> > >> > > >> >
>>> > >> > > >> > John
>>> > >> > > >> >
>>> > >> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > >> > > >> > From: wayne
>>> > >> > > >> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>> > >> > > >> > Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 7:30 PM
>>> > >> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube
>>> > >> > > >> >
>>> > >> > > >> > >
>>> > >> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of
>streamlined
>>> > struts
>>> > >> > > from cubs.
>>> > >> > > >Is
>>> > >> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way
>>> > >> to tell? I'd
>>> > >> > > like
>>> > >> > > >to
>>> > >> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domeni=
c
>>> > >> said he used
>>> > >> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the
>>> > >> standard wing
>>> > >> > > strut
>>> > >> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was
>>> > >> welded inside
>>> > >> > > the
>>> > >> > > >other
>>> > >> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient.
>What's
>>> > the
>>> > >> > > group
>>> > >> > > >opinion
>>> > >> > > >> > >here?
>>> > >> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single
>>> > >> or going dual
>>> > >> > > >ignition?
>>> > >> > > >> > >
>>> > >> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg
>>> > >> > > >> > >
>>> > >> > > >>
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > >_______________________________________________________
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > _______________________________________________________
>>> > >> >
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> >
*
>(Aerospace)
>>> > >>
>C-GREN
>>> > >> (_) (_)
><http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
>>> > >> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with
>your
>>> > eyes
>>> > >> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will
>always
>>> > be.
>>> > >>
>>> >
*
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
*
>>>
EN
>
>>> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your
>eyes
>>> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always
>be.
>>>
*
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug <ve6zh(at)oanet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair Conversion |
Hope it works out ok,my address is PO. box 171 Alix Alberta TOC OBO.
Look forward to hearing your results.
Doug
> From: BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: FW: Corvair Conversion
> Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 6:40 AM
>
> Hey Doug,
> Thats sweet. Thats what I'm looking for. A friend is going to lend me his
> Warp Drive for a test. I was going to do that before I popped the # 6
cyl.
> The engine is now back together. Worked till 12:00PM Both Fri. Sat. to
get
> it done. Sun. I did the Valve lashing. Tonight I pull the Pan and look
for
> melted Alum. ... a little backwards but there was no time to to this
before,
> since there was too much forward momentum in getting the fix in place
with
> other people. I should be able to start it by Thurs. just in time for the
> week-end airshow here at Brampton Flying Club. I'm using 100 LL instead
of
> auto fuel. I'm still afraid of detonation. Brian Kenney a fuel engineer
has
> recommended 100LL because of the high compression. We found a problem
with
> the carb. , it is now fixed. Have a copy of the carb. manual...send me
your
> address.
> Dom.
> ----------
> From: Doug
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Corvair Conversion
> Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 8:34PM
>
> Dom;pulled the Piet out yesterday,and tied the tail to a tree via a
thrust
> gauge,2 stock carbs(corvair engine)60 inch 3 blade warpdrive,1st run
static
> rpm max 2100 and about 250 lbs thrust,adjusted pitch less,then 2700rpm
with
> aprox.300lbs thrust ,less pitch again then 3000rpm static and aprox.320
lbs
> thrust,more teaking to follow.Testing was with Esso premiun auto fuel 92
> octane i think,that Vair engine is soooooooooooooo smooooth,and sounds
> sweet!! Ignition timming was around 25 degrees,hard to hold the light in
> the prop wash etc!
> Doug.
>
> ----------
> > From: BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: FW: Corvair Conversion
> > Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 8:47 AM
> >
> > Patrick,
> > Well I'm still experimenting, I guess. I've just rebuilt the engine
over
> the
> > weekend. The total process took 5 days, I got the cyl. deglazed only.
Kept
> > them stock. However I opened the clearence mor like an aircraft engine.
My
> > automachine shop recommended an extra thous. clearance (to 2.5 thous.).
> All
> > pistons however were replaced (forged) The reason I had to rebuild is
that
> I
> > detonated a piston. Try not to do that. I found my stromberg carb
> > (NA-S3a1had the set up wrong. The float would pre-maturely shut off the
> > neddle so it ran very lean. I have the carb. under the engine (check
out
> > Richard's site I have photo's there www.aircamper.org). This should act
> like
> > a totally different engine now. I'll copy the manual for you to.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dom. Bellissimo
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Duane <Duaner(at)atl.mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair Conversion |
Thanks Dom, your check is in the mail.
Duane,
Have you got an Article (1/4 inch thick by R.G. Huggins??? If not I'll send
you a copy of "The Corvair Experimental Aircraft Engine" Technical Manual
for a couple of bucks for mail. My address is 34 Westhumber Blvd. Toronto
Ontario, M9W 3M6.
That goes for any one else that wants one.
Dom. Bellissimo
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Corvair Conversion |
Where can I find the best info on Corvair engine conversion.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve W <vistin(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Soob ea-81 conversion. |
Does anyone have any information on the conversion of the Subaru ea-81.
Also does anyone have any plans on building a reduction drive??
Thanks
Jes maken "WoodChips" heah in Missippippi!
url= http://www2.misnet.com/~vistin
email= vistin(at)juno.com
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jkearns <jkearns(at)jps.net> |
| Subject: | Re: about to start thinking about starting...... |
Hi
The last address I have for Vi Kapler is 1033 Forest Hills Drive SW,
Rochester, MN 55902. I think it is still good.
Jim Kearns
>From: "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC"
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: FW: about to start thinking about starting......
>Date: Tue, Jun 8, 1999, 10:23 AM
>
>Yes,
>Vi Kapler has the three piece wing mod. for sale for $10.00, it includes a
>couple of photos as well. He lives around Brodhead, Wisconsin somewhere. I
>don't have the address...Anyone?
>Dom.
> ----------
>From: Leo Ponton
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: about to start thinking about starting......
>Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 9:42AM
>
>I now own a set of plans (which include several mods to appease the UK
>authorities). Most people here seem to be using C90s or 0-200s, but I'm
>considering using a Subaru - any reasonably positive comments?
>
>I'm also wondering what the GN-1 designation is, as the only reference I
>have found to it has been in the AS&S catalogue - nothing that I can see on
>the drawings or on the BPA site.
>
>One of the UK approved drawings describes a three-piece demountable wing,
>which I may or may not build. I have seen aircraft with cutaway centre
>sections and one with a fold-up transparent section aft of the centre
>section rear spar - anybody know where I could get my hands on drawings for
>these mods?
>
>Leo
>Nottinghamshire
>England
>
>leo(at)deadly.demon.co.uk
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net> |
| Subject: | Re: foam..... Streamlined tube |
John:
Polyurethane foam is the stuff of which the bodies of the Rutan
designs such as the EZs and Quickies were made. It was shaped and I
believe a light coating of epoxy resin combined with glass
microspheres was painted on to seal the open porous surface before
glass was applied. This foam is impervious to solvents as a rule, an=
d
all that would be required would be to glue it to the strut and shape
it after which it could be covered with doped tape..... It shouldn't
be necessary to prime it.
Blue foam on the other hand extruded polystyrene will dissolve in
the presence of most solvents (this foam was used in the wings and wa=
s
hot wire shaped). Unfortunately polyurethane foam is not readily
available at your local hardware store as is the polystyrene blue
foam. The foam in a spray can used to fill gaps in construction is
basically a very similar polyurethane foam though it is a bit more
rubbery and might be more difficult to shape. I suggest trying a bit
of this on a piece of electrical conduit as a test.... it might make
a
cheap easy way to fair a strut if you could get a good do on it.
=2E.... I have my doubts though. Perhaps a form of waxed metal piec=
es
clamped to the strut and the foam sprayed into the gap might be the
answer. The round strut would be the leading edge, so all you need
for a form are two pieces of material joined along one edge with the
other edges resting on either side of the round piece for a form.
This would give your streamline shape without any forming at all, and
all you would need would be to wrap and dope it. Such a form would
have to be a short section which was moved up the strut a little at a
time always lapping over the already foamed section. Waxed paper
would probably do the job as a mold release. No gluing, no
priming..... quick cheap and simple if it worked.
H.W.
-----Original Message-----
=46rom: John Greenlee
Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 5:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: foam..... Streamlined tube
>Hmmm,
>
>I wonder if you could take this stuff, shape it, prime it with epoxy
primer,
>and tape and dope it to the strut, spray with colored dope (or
Poly-tone)
>and pretend it was balsa for a 'period' look?
>
>John
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 6:46 PM
>Subject: foam..... Streamlined tube
>
>
>>If somebody is going to foam streamline a strut, let me suggest the
>>use of polyurethane foam rather than "blue" foam which is an
extruded
>>polystyrene. The blue XPS is not compatable with solvents and if
>>fibreglasses must be done with epoxy rather than polyester resin fo=
r
>>that reason. The blue foam is not as easy to shape except by hot
>>wiring. Polyurethane foam is crumbly and can easily be carved or
>>rasped into shape. rubbing two blocks of it together makes a fairl=
y
>>good technique for shaping it. H.W.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: lolata <lolata(at)sercomtel.com.br>
>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 1:05 PM
>>Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
>>
>>
>>>Why don't you use styrofoam (blue foam from DOW ) to make the
>>streamline
>>>and cover it with thin fiberglass.
>>>
>>>Luis Lolata (Pietenpol, my next aircraft !!)
>>>
>>>lolata(at)sercomtel.com.br
>>>
>>>----------
>>>> De: Ken Beanlands
>>>> Para: Pietenpol Discussion
>>>> Assunto: Re: Streamlined tube
>>>> Data: Ter=E7a-feira, 8 de Junho de 1999 16:27
>>>>
>>>> I guess you haven't priced out balsa wood in a while. I tried
>>several
>>>> sources including hobby shops (VERY expensive) and speciality
wood
>>stores
>>>> (best price). To get enough to do my struts, I was looking at
well
>>over
>>>> $200 USD, and you still had to carve them to shape!
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, Howard Wilkinson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Yes
>>>> > Seems plenty expensive..... The old balsa glued to the
back
>>side
>>>> > of the strut and wrapped with "pinked tape" and doped works
>>fairly
>>>> > well and isn't to expensive, It damn sure would look "period"=
.
>>>> > H.W.
>>>> >
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: steve(at)byu.edu
>>>> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>>> > Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 10:19 AM
>>>> > Subject: RE: Streamlined tube
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > >This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?
>>>> > >
>>>> > >Steve Eldredge
>>>> > >IT Services
>>>> > >Brigham Young University
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> > >> Behalf Of Ken
>>>> > >> Beanlands
>>>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM
>>>> > >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>>> > >> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> They must think that there is something going on as I
ordered
>>>> > >> the stuff
>>>> > >> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery
as
>>>> > >> they were
>>>> > >> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else
call
>>this
>>>> > >> morning? ;-)
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Ken
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> > Howard'
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without
>>>> > >> shipping, is for four -
>>>> > >> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be
a
>>good
>>>> > >> > alternative.
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> > Mark
>>>> > >> >
wrote:
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> > > Mark:
>>>> > >> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'
>>>> > >> lengths which will
>>>> > >> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material
>>>> > >> fits over your
>>>> > >> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per
>>>> > >> foot. LEAF part
>>>> > >> > > # A2685
>>>> > >> > >
>>>> > >> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC
>>>> > >> > >
>>>> > >> > > H.W.
>>>> > >> > >
>>>> > >> > >
>>>> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > >> > > From: mboynton(at)excite.com <mboynton(at)excite.com>
>>>> > >> > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>>> > >> > > Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 7:32 AM
>>>> > >> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
>>>> > >> > >
>>>> > >> > >
>>>> > >> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,
>>>> > >> > > >
>>>> > >> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information
>>about
>>>> > the
>>>> > >> > > streamline
>>>> > >> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforce=
d
>>>> > >> internally,
>>>> > >> > > and what
>>>> > >> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and
>>>> > >> what is the
>>>> > >> > > source?
>>>> > >> > > >
>>>> > >> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go
about
>>>> > >> figuring out
>>>> > >> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline
>>tubing?
>>>> > >> > > >
>>>> > >> > > >Mark Boynton
>>>> > >> > > >Gilbert, Arizona
>>>> > >> > > >
:
>>>> > >> > > >
>>>> > >> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in
the
>>>> > bicycle
>>>> > >> > > industry we
>>>> > >> > > >call
>>>> > >> > > >> it airfoil tubing)
>>>> > >> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall
>>>> > >> auminum tubing. The
>>>> > >> > > major
>>>> > >> > > >axis
>>>> > >> > > >> is 3.125 and
>>>> > >> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guy=
s
>>>> > >> think that it
>>>> > >> > > would
>>>> > >> > > >work
>>>> > >> > > >> for lift struts.
>>>> > >> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per
strut.
>>>> > >> > > >>
>>>> > >> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:
>>>> > >> > > >>
>>>> > >> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......
>>>> > >> > > >> >
>>>> > >> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130
>>type
>>>> > steel
>>>> > >> > > you'll
>>>> > >> > > >gain
>>>> > >> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section
>>streamline
>>>> > tube
>>>> > >> > > will carry
>>>> > >> > > >a
>>>> > >> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a
>>>> > >> Cub are P L E N
>>>> > >> > > T Y
>>>> > >> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully fo=
r
>>rust
>>>> > and
>>>> > >> > > corrosion.
>>>> > >> > > >> >
>>>> > >> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft
>>>> > >> steel was 1020.
>>>> > >> > > >> >
>>>> > >> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty smal=
l
>>>> > >> tubes. I've
>>>> > >> > > never
>>>> > >> > > >heard
>>>> > >> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from
>>>> > >> negative gs) and
>>>> > >> > > causing
>>>> > >> > > >an
>>>> > >> > > >> > accident in a Piet.
>>>> > >> > > >> >
>>>> > >> > > >> > John
>>>> > >> > > >> >
>>>> > >> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > >> > > >> > From: wayne
>>>> > >> > > >> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>>> > >> > > >> > Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 7:30 PM
>>>> > >> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube
>>>> > >> > > >> >
>>>> > >> > > >> > >
>>>> > >> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of
>>streamlined
>>>> > struts
>>>> > >> > > from cubs.
>>>> > >> > > >Is
>>>> > >> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy wa=
y
>>>> > >> to tell? I'd
>>>> > >> > > like
>>>> > >> > > >to
>>>> > >> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think
Domenic
>>>> > >> said he used
>>>> > >> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the
>>>> > >> standard wing
>>>> > >> > > strut
>>>> > >> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one wa=
s
>>>> > >> welded inside
>>>> > >> > > the
>>>> > >> > > >other
>>>> > >> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient.
>>What's
>>>> > the
>>>> > >> > > group
>>>> > >> > > >opinion
>>>> > >> > > >> > >here?
>>>> > >> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with singl=
e
>>>> > >> or going dual
>>>> > >> > > >ignition?
>>>> > >> > > >> > >
>>>> > >> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg
>>>> > >> > > >> > >
>>>> > >> > > >>
>>>> > >> > > >
>>>> > >> > > >
>>>> > >> > > >
>>>> > >> > > >
>>>> > >> > > >
>>>> > >> > > >______________________________________________________=
_
/
>>>> > >> > > >
>>>> > >> > >
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> > _______________________________________________________
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> >
*
*
>>(Aerospace)
>>>> > >>
1
>>C-GREN
>>>> > >> (_) (_)
>><http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
>>>> > >> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with
>>your
>>>> > eyes
>>>> > >> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will
>>always
>>>> > be.
>>>> > >>
>>>> >
*
*
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
*
*
>>>>
C-GREN
>>>> (_) (_)
<http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
>>>> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your
>>eyes
>>>> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will alway=
s
>>be.
>>>>
*
*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Streamlined tube |
Ken Beanlands wrote:
>
> I guess you haven't priced out balsa wood in a while. I tried several
> sources including hobby shops (VERY expensive) and speciality wood stores
> (best price). To get enough to do my struts, I was looking at well over
> $200 USD, and you still had to carve them to shape!
>
> Ken
A few of the old timers around here have already asked me about the
Pietenpol. Two have already asked me if I was going to use wooden struts
or metal. I just answered matter-of-factly, metal without questioning
them. I guess I should have asked. Is wood an option? What did they
mean?
Dannymac
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Unsubscribe I'm getting redundant copies of messages - some as many as
6 times.
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redundant
copies of messages - some as many as 6 times.
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| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
| Subject: | Re: Piet's and Grega's |
A Pietenpol Flew in British Columbia Canada in the '30s with a Cirrus
engine. The fore runner of the inverted Gipsy Major series.
I was fortunate enough to acquire a 85/95 hp Cirrus and intend to use it.
John Mc
-----Original Message-----
From: bwm
Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 4:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet's and Grega's
>Michael D Cuy wrote:
>>
>> >Just wondering why Corvair was left off this list. Is it taboo?
>> >Is it not the preferred air cooled engine for the Piet? Why
>> >would someone go through the trouble and expense of installing a
>> >water cooled Sube, when the Piet is proven with the 'vair?
>> >
>> >Pat
>>
>> Pat- Bernie Pietenpol built 26 Pietenpols in his lifetime and if I'm
>> not
>> mistaken he powered them with many, many, various engines some of
>> which I'll try to list below. Some of these listed below Bernie may
>> not have
>> tried but others have. Chime in if anyone knows of some 'odd ones'
>> we've all not
>> heard of.
>>
>> Velie
>> Model T (Scout)
>> Model A
>> Model B
>> Corvair
>> Continental
>> Subaru
>> Ford Fiesta
>> V-8's
>> LeBlond
>> Lycoming
>> Franklin
>> Funk
>> Mercedes diesel
>
>Add Chevy 2.5 L four - Yep just like that in my Chevy S-10.
>Bert
>
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| From: | John Greenlee <jgreenlee(at)morgan.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Streamlined tube |
I've seen two Piets with wooden struts. Started to make them myself before
settling on the aluminum streamline tube.
The ones I have seen consisted of a laminated structure about one inch thick
of two pieces of solid wood laminated around 1/4" birch plywood. One set
had fir, the other ash. Bolted fittings at the end. They were varnished
and looked nice.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: dannymac <dannymac@hal-pc.org>
Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 12:31 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Streamlined tube
>Ken Beanlands wrote:
>>
>> I guess you haven't priced out balsa wood in a while. I tried several
>> sources including hobby shops (VERY expensive) and speciality wood stores
>> (best price). To get enough to do my struts, I was looking at well over
>> $200 USD, and you still had to carve them to shape!
>>
>> Ken
>
>
> A few of the old timers around here have already asked me about the
>Pietenpol. Two have already asked me if I was going to use wooden struts
>or metal. I just answered matter-of-factly, metal without questioning
>them. I guess I should have asked. Is wood an option? What did they
>mean?
>
>Dannymac
>
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| Subject: | For anyone looking for an 'A' engine |
Got this today. Anyone interested in finding an 'A' engine read:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Jonbarrom(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 8:58 PM
> Subject: the pietenpol of course.
>
>
> > I am seeking information on any summer meet this year. I.m 70 years
> young
> and
> > have planned to built one of these great airplanes. I was able to
> purchase
> 2
> > rebuilt 4 bangers at an auction here in Mass awhile back from one
> of
> gurus
> > of Mo0del "A" engine rebuilders of our times , namely Warren Paul,
> and
> any
> > Model "A" car buff will tell you he was meister in terms of
> precision
> > rebuilding these little wonders. Now, here's my problem--- I have
> 2 of
> > these units and wouild like to offer it for sale to some worthy
> builder
> who
> > is looking for ultimate power unit for his project. About 3 years
> ago my
> > brother and I flew to a meet in SW wisconsin in his Cessna 172
> and I
> want
> > to tell the world after gwetting a short hop in a piet I prefer it
> over
> the
> > Cessna. In closing please excuse my typing my spelling etc----anf
> I hope
> to
> > hear fron one you soon
> > JOHN
>
>
===
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Dear Group,
I would like to learn more about wood flying struts.
Strength/weight, etc. What is the great disadvantage if everyone is
considering all of the other alternatives?
Dannymac
________________________________________________________________________________
Spruce or fir laminated either side of plywood? I can do that.
Safe fittings? I can do that.
Dannymac
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| Subject: | Re: Streamlined tube |
John Greenlee wrote:
>
> I've seen two Piets with wooden struts. Started to make them myself before
> settling on the aluminum streamline tube.
Unless it would be need for its strength, wouldn't ash be too heavy for
the size of the struts?
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| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
Danny,
Go to http://users.aol.com/BPANews/www.html
then click down to "BPA Newsletter Items" in red,
then, click down 15-20 items until you see the name "Clyde Buckley".
There is a description and a cross section photo of what you are looking
for.
Cheers,
Warren
dannymac wrote:
> Spruce or fir laminated either side of plywood? I can do that.
> Safe fittings? I can do that.
>
> Dannymac
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| Subject: | Re: about to start thinking about starting...... |
I just bought a set of tail hinges from Mr. Kapler at this address.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Randall Reihing <rreihing(at)eng.utoledo.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
Danymac,
About five years ago I met an Alan Wise of Florida who arrived at Brodhead
in a C-65 Pietenpol with solid wood struts that he may have fabricated
himself.
Randall Reihing
>Dear Group,
>
> I would like to learn more about wood flying struts.
>Strength/weight, etc. What is the great disadvantage if everyone is
>considering all of the other alternatives?
>
>Dannymac
>
>
Randall Reihing
University of Toledo
College of Engineering
MIME Department
419-530-8244
FAX: 419-530-8206
E-Mail: rreihing(at)eng.utoledo.edu
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve W <vistin(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Are my messages getting through?? |
Steve wrote:
Are my messages getting to the site? I havwe asked two questions and
havent gotten any replies.
Steve
Jes maken "WoodChips" heah in Missippippi!
url= http://www2.misnet.com/~vistin
email= vistin(at)juno.com
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Randall Reihing <rreihing(at)eng.utoledo.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Are my messages getting through?? |
Steve,
I just received your message, twice. But then all the Piet messages are
coming in twice . Ironic, don't you think? You seem to be experiencing a
shortage of messages and I have more than I need, or want. Keep
building!.....Randall Reihing
>Steve wrote:
>Are my messages getting to the site? I havwe asked two questions and
>havent gotten any replies.
>Steve
>Jes maken "WoodChips" heah in Missippippi!
>url= http://www2.misnet.com/~vistin
>email= vistin(at)juno.com
>
>
>
Randall Reihing
University of Toledo
College of Engineering
MIME Department
419-530-8244
FAX: 419-530-8206
E-Mail: rreihing(at)eng.utoledo.edu
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I would be interested in knowing the strength values of wood struts also. They
would seem to be relatively inexpensive and fairly easy to make. What wood
type should be used to laminate with the plywood center? Ash? Spruce?
I would have to be confident that the struts are strong enough, since my butt is
going to be hanging from them!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin McDonald <kevin.mcdonald(at)dev.tivoli.com> |
Randall Reihing wrote:
>
> Danymac,
> About five years ago I met an Alan Wise of Florida who arrived
> at Brodhead
> in a C-65 Pietenpol with solid wood struts that he may have fabricated
> himself.
I think this is the bizarre Pietenpol creation I saw a t Sun-n-Fun
this year. As is typical with the aileron hinges on my Piet and
numerous struts/hinges I've seen on Piets and boredom fighters
they are sheet metal covered with wood for a vintage look.
If I find a plane with wood struts or hinges I'm not riding in it...
Ktm
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Hello
If you stop to think about it, wood is strong enough for wing spars,
fuselage and prop, why wouldn=92t wood be strong enough for struts? T=
he way I
understand it, the wing wires carry the flight loads and the struts h=
old the
wings up while on the ground, that is if you attach the wires to the
fuselage per the plans and not the struts themselves.
Mike Madrid
-----Original Message-----
=46rom: Conrad, Bart D
Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 2:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: WOOD STRUTS
>I would be interested in knowing the strength values of wood struts
also.
They would seem to be relatively inexpensive and fairly easy to make=
. What
wood type should be used to laminate with the plywood center? Ash?
Spruce?
>
>I would have to be confident that the struts are strong enough, sinc=
e my
butt is going to be hanging from them!
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve W <vistin(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Are my messages getting through?? |
Steve wrote:
Randall I had asked for either a copy of subaru ea-81 conversion plans
and the same on a redrive for the same engine. Also have you heard of
anyone using a Geo three cylender engine? Any and all suggestions are
most welcome. Keep in mind we are gonna build our piet using grega plans
ans need all the ideas to build it as (safe) and cheap as possible. Tell
me more about your project,OK!
Steve
writes:
>Steve,
> I just received your message, twice. But then all the Piet
>messages are
>coming in twice . Ironic, don't you think? You seem to be experiencing
>a
>shortage of messages and I have more than I need, or want. Keep
>building!.....Randall Reihing
>
>
>>Steve wrote:
>>Are my messages getting to the site? I havwe asked two questions and
>>havent gotten any replies.
>>Steve
>>Jes maken "WoodChips" heah in Missippippi!
>>url= http://www2.misnet.com/~vistin
>>email= vistin(at)juno.com
>>
>>
>>
>Randall Reihing
>University of Toledo
>College of Engineering
>MIME Department
>419-530-8244
>FAX: 419-530-8206
>E-Mail: rreihing(at)eng.utoledo.edu
Jes maken "WoodChips" heah in Missippippi!
url= http://www2.misnet.com/~vistin
email= vistin(at)juno.com
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Fay <jefay(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Weight of wheels? |
List, (whole list, not just Mike)
My partner Dave and I bought two sets of 19" mag wheels
last night at a salvage yard. We are curious how they
compare in weight to a spoked wheel. Does anyone know
how much your completed, spoked wheel weighed (preferably
without tire or brakes). We'll be weighing ours tonight.
Dave still has his baby scales. I'll let you know what
ours came out to.
John in Peoria
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| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Howard Wilkinson |
Howard;
Please check you date/time on your computer. I think your date is wrong.
If it is not, look in yesterday's paper and tell me what the lotto numbers
are for tonight.
regards
Bill
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| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
Steve;
I am a bit tardy in thanking you for the hats.
They look as good as everyone has been raving
about.
Thanks again
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
>From: bholbrook
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Unsubscribe
>Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 08:38:46 -0400
>
>Unsubscribe I'm getting redundant copies of messages - some as many as 6
>times.
>
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Glad you like them! I think they are stunning. (well very nice anyway.)
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Bill Talbert
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 4:43 PM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Peit Hats
>
>
> Steve;
>
> I am a bit tardy in thanking you for the hats.
> They look as good as everyone has been raving
> about.
> Thanks again
> Bill
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Brusilow <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
>Danymac,
> About five years ago I met an Alan Wise of Florida who arrived at Brodhead
>in a C-65 Pietenpol with solid wood struts that he may have fabricated
>himself.
>
>Randall Reihing
Alan bought his Piet. If I remember correctly, his struts are a wood
sandwich. Wood on either side & steel flat stock in the middle.
Mike B-Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Piet Screen Saver |
I wrote a screen saver that has G-bucco flying
across the screen. Would anyone mind beta testing
it for me. It works fine, but I would like some
feedback. the zip file is about 500k.
regards
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Lund <malund(at)sprint.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Screen Saver |
Sure- Send it to malund(at)sprint.ca, and I'll give it a test hop.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 9:14 PM
| Subject: | Piet Screen Saver |
> I wrote a screen saver that has G-bucco flying
> across the screen. Would anyone mind beta testing
> it for me. It works fine, but I would like some
> feedback. the zip file is about 500k.
>
> regards
> Bill
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Howard Wilkinson |
Better ???
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net>
Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 3:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Howard Wilkinson
>Howard;
>
>Please check you date/time on your computer. I think your date is
wrong.
>If it is not, look in yesterday's paper and tell me what the lotto
numbers
>are for tonight.
>
>regards
>Bill
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | User554784(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Screen Saver |
I Would like to try it too. Send it to user554784(at)aol.com.
Phil
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Screen Saver |
I would like to see it also...J-M-Duprey(at)erols.com
Thanks
John
User554784(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> I Would like to try it too. Send it to user554784(at)aol.com.
>
> Phil
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Wayne and Kathy <ktokarz(at)incentre.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Soob ea-81 conversion. |
Steve W wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any information on the conversion of the Subaru ea-81.
> Also does anyone have any plans on building a reduction drive??
>
> Thanks
> Jes maken "WoodChips" heah in Missippippi!
> url= http://www2.misnet.com/~vistin
> email= vistin(at)juno.com
>
> __________
If your interested My partner and I build up EA-81s and Pontiac
(GEO,ETC) 3cyl engines with eduction drives. I'm sorry we don't sell
plans as of yet, however I would be more than willing to assist you with
your engine or sell you one ready to go.
Wayne Tokarz
780-594-0418
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| From: | Wayne and Kathy <ktokarz(at)incentre.net> |
Doug were do you live, I'm in Cold Lake and am planing a trip for this
weekend. Maybe we might cross paths. Also how far along is your piet?
Wayne Tokarz
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| Subject: | Re: Are my messages getting through?? |
Steve W wrote:
>
> Steve wrote:
> Are my messages getting to the site? I havwe asked two questions and
> havent gotten any replies.
> Steve
I received this one Steve, and Thanks for relating your adventure. You
lucky dog!(respectfully, that is. And well trained I bet). grin
Dannymac
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Conrad, Bart D wrote:
>
> I would be interested in knowing the strength values of wood struts also. They
would seem to be relatively inexpensive and fairly easy to make. What wood
type should be used to laminate with the plywood center? Ash? Spruce?
>
> I would have to be confident that the struts are strong enough, since my butt
is going to be hanging from them!
I was thinking about a tensile strength test by manufacturing one and
suspending it from a small crane at work and lifting several different
weight safes from it with a sling. It could prob give me a rough idea of
how many tons it would take for it to fail. I imagine it would probably
fail near one of the fittings. Maybe someone has access to hydraulics
but I don't. Anyone else?
Dannymac
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Steve;
Same thing from me, much better that expected!!!!!!!!!!!!
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net>
Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 6:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peit Hats
>Steve;
>
>I am a bit tardy in thanking you for the hats.
>They look as good as everyone has been raving
>about.
>Thanks again
>Bill
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Adolfo Pando <fitopando(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Screen Saver |
Could I have it , too? Please send to fitopando(at)yahoo.com
Cheers,
FITO.
--- John Duprey wrote:
> I would like to see it also...J-M-Duprey(at)erols.com
>
> Thanks
> John
>
> User554784(at)aol.com wrote:
> >
> > I Would like to try it too. Send it to
> user554784(at)aol.com.
> >
> > Phil
>
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| From: | lolata <lolata(at)sercomtel.com.br> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Screen Saver |
I would like to test it.
Luis Lolata
lolata(at)sercomtel.com.br
> De: Bill Talbert
> Para: Pietenpol Discussion
> Assunto: Piet Screen Saver
> Data: Quarta-feira, 9 de Junho de 1999 22:14
>
> I wrote a screen saver that has G-bucco flying
> across the screen. Would anyone mind beta testing
> it for me. It works fine, but I would like some
> feedback. the zip file is about 500k.
>
> regards
> Bill
>
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| From: | "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC" |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Screen Saver |
Send me a copy at: Bellissimo.Dominic(at)littonlsl.com
Thanks,
Domenic
l
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| From: | mike cushway <mcushway(at)gdinet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Streamlined tube |
The aluminum aero-tubing that I had mentioned is a componemt of one of our
high-end
bike frames. It normally arrives in 3 foot lengths and is internally
butted. I was lucky enough
to "scrounge" (5) 9 foot lengths that are straight gage and were used to
prototype the frame.
I will try to find out if this tubing could be bought "retail" from the
supplier. I am hoping to use
the tubing for lift struts.
John Greenlee wrote:
> I agree.
>
> John
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 2:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
>
> >Yes
> > Seems plenty expensive..... The old balsa glued to the back side
> >of the strut and wrapped with "pinked tape" and doped works fairly
> >well and isn't to expensive, It damn sure would look "period".
> >H.W.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: steve(at)byu.edu
> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 10:19 AM
> >Subject: RE: Streamlined tube
> >
> >
> >>This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?
> >>
> >>Steve Eldredge
> >>IT Services
> >>Brigham Young University
> >>
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> Behalf Of Ken
> >>> Beanlands
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM
> >>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >>> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered
> >>> the stuff
> >>> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as
> >>> they were
> >>> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else call this
> >>> morning? ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Ken
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Howard'
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without
> >>> shipping, is for four -
> >>> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be a good
> >>> > alternative.
> >>> >
> >>> > Mark
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > > Mark:
> >>> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'
> >>> lengths which will
> >>> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material
> >>> fits over your
> >>> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per
> >>> foot. LEAF part
> >>> > > # A2685
> >>> > >
> >>> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC
> >>> > >
> >>> > > H.W.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > -----Original Message-----
> >>> > > From: mboynton(at)excite.com <mboynton(at)excite.com>
> >>> > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >>> > > Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 7:32 AM
> >>> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about
> >the
> >>> > > streamline
> >>> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced
> >>> internally,
> >>> > > and what
> >>> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and
> >>> what is the
> >>> > > source?
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about
> >>> figuring out
> >>> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >Mark Boynton
> >>> > > >Gilbert, Arizona
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the
> >bicycle
> >>> > > industry we
> >>> > > >call
> >>> > > >> it airfoil tubing)
> >>> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall
> >>> auminum tubing. The
> >>> > > major
> >>> > > >axis
> >>> > > >> is 3.125 and
> >>> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys
> >>> think that it
> >>> > > would
> >>> > > >work
> >>> > > >> for lift struts.
> >>> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.
> >>> > > >>
> >>> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:
> >>> > > >>
> >>> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......
> >>> > > >> >
> >>> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type
> >steel
> >>> > > you'll
> >>> > > >gain
> >>> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline
> >tube
> >>> > > will carry
> >>> > > >a
> >>> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a
> >>> Cub are P L E N
> >>> > > T Y
> >>> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust
> >and
> >>> > > corrosion.
> >>> > > >> >
> >>> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft
> >>> steel was 1020.
> >>> > > >> >
> >>> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small
> >>> tubes. I've
> >>> > > never
> >>> > > >heard
> >>> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from
> >>> negative gs) and
> >>> > > causing
> >>> > > >an
> >>> > > >> > accident in a Piet.
> >>> > > >> >
> >>> > > >> > John
> >>> > > >> >
> >>> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> >>> > > >> > From: wayne
> >>> > > >> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >>> > > >> > Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 7:30 PM
> >>> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube
> >>> > > >> >
> >>> > > >> > >
> >>> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined
> >struts
> >>> > > from cubs.
> >>> > > >Is
> >>> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way
> >>> to tell? I'd
> >>> > > like
> >>> > > >to
> >>> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic
> >>> said he used
> >>> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the
> >>> standard wing
> >>> > > strut
> >>> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was
> >>> welded inside
> >>> > > the
> >>> > > >other
> >>> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's
> >the
> >>> > > group
> >>> > > >opinion
> >>> > > >> > >here?
> >>> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single
> >>> or going dual
> >>> > > >ignition?
> >>> > > >> > >
> >>> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg
> >>> > > >> > >
> >>> > > >>
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >_______________________________________________________
> >>> > > >
> >>> > >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > _______________________________________________________
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your
> >eyes
> >>> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always
> >be.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Screen Saver |
-----Original Message-----
From: BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC
Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 7:42 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Screen Saver
I'd like to try it!
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
>Send me a copy at: Bellissimo.Dominic(at)littonlsl.com
>Thanks,
>Domenic
>l
>
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| From: | "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC" |
| Subject: | FW: Are my messages getting through?? |
There are 3 Cyl. Geo engines being used in ultralights here in Ontario. I
understand some conversions are getting 100 H.P.
Sorry don't know where I got the information.
Domenic
----------
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Are my messages getting through?? |
Steve wrote:
Randall I had asked for either a copy of subaru ea-81 conversion plans
and the same on a redrive for the same engine. Also have you heard of
anyone using a Geo three cylender engine? Any and all suggestions are
most welcome. Keep in mind we are gonna build our piet using grega plans
ans need all the ideas to build it as (safe) and cheap as possible. Tell
me more about your project,OK!
Steve
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| From: | "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC" |
| Subject: | FW: Streamlined tube |
We toasted a glass of champaigne to him for finishing his Piet. at our
annual Pietenpol Party. Jim Armstrong of Brussels Ontario went to visit him
and brought back a slide show for us which we viewed at the party.
Domenic
----------
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Streamlined tube |
I knew it yesterday. The owner, Mr Edilson Secco sent-me an e-mail with
some photos. It's a beautiful airplane !!
Luis Lolata
lolata(at)sercomtel.com.br
www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/1227
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| From: | John Greenlee <jgreenlee(at)morgan.net> |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
Clyde Buckley built Alan's airplane as well as one more. My understanding
is the struts are laminated around a 1/4" ply core. I have a cutoff
somewhere from the later airplane.
I visited with an engineer once about this subject. His feedback is the
wood struts should be plenty strong enough in tension, especially with the
wires. He indicated it was more difficult to estimate compression loads,
and perhaps in a rollover, they would not protect you as well.
The potential weak point in wood struts is the mounting holes.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Brusilow <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 6:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: (no subject)
>
>
>>Danymac,
>> About five years ago I met an Alan Wise of Florida who arrived at
Brodhead
>>in a C-65 Pietenpol with solid wood struts that he may have fabricated
>>himself.
>>
>>Randall Reihing
>
> Alan bought his Piet. If I remember correctly, his struts are a wood
>sandwich. Wood on either side & steel flat stock in the middle.
>
> Mike B-Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )
>
>
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| Subject: | position of white pine pieces? |
I wonder if someone could help me settlw where to put the pieces of
white pine on the floor of the piet? The plans have dimensions that
dont go exactly to the edge of the pieces, (they end up somewhere in
the middle) so Im not sure exactly where theyre suppsed to go. Anyone?
===
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in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
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| Subject: | Re: position of white pine pieces? |
Sorry, I believe it was the ash pieces I was refering to, not pine.
--- Richard DeCosta wrote:
> I wonder if someone could help me settlw where to put the pieces of
> white pine on the floor of the piet? The plans have dimensions that
> dont go exactly to the edge of the pieces, (they end up somewhere in
> the middle) so Im not sure exactly where theyre suppsed to go.
> Anyone?
> ===
> "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly?
> Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim
> Tavenner
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> ---------------------------------------------------------
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>
>
>
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in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
---------------------------------------------------------
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| From: | Steve W <vistin(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Screen Saver |
Steve wrote:
Could I have it too and Thanks. Send to vistin(at)misnet.com
Steve
writes:
>
>Could I have it , too? Please send to fitopando(at)yahoo.com
> Cheers,
>
>FITO.
>--- John Duprey wrote:
>> I would like to see it also...J-M-Duprey(at)erols.com
>>
>> Thanks
>> John
>>
>> User554784(at)aol.com wrote:
>> >
>> > I Would like to try it too. Send it to
>> user554784(at)aol.com.
>> >
>> > Phil
>>
>
>
Jes maken "WoodChips" heah in Missippippi!
url= http://www2.misnet.com/~vistin
email= vistin(at)juno.com
__________
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| Subject: | Re: Are my messages getting through?? |
As advertised in Sport Aviation, Raven offers their PSRU for the 1.0L Geo,
with or without engine.....................
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC
Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 8:28 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: Are my messages getting through??
>There are 3 Cyl. Geo engines being used in ultralights here in Ontario. I
>understand some conversions are getting 100 H.P.
>Sorry don't know where I got the information.
>Domenic
> ----------
>From: Steve W
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Re: Are my messages getting through??
>Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 5:39PM
>
>Steve wrote:
>Randall I had asked for either a copy of subaru ea-81 conversion plans
>and the same on a redrive for the same engine. Also have you heard of
>anyone using a Geo three cylender engine? Any and all suggestions are
>most welcome. Keep in mind we are gonna build our piet using grega plans
>ans need all the ideas to build it as (safe) and cheap as possible. Tell
>me more about your project,OK!
>
>Steve
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DonanClara(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: FW: Are my messages getting through?? |
Steve W..... Yes, you.re getting thru to me. I haven't replied as I'm not
knowledgeable re: Subaru engines, but thought someone else might reply. Guess
not. Anyway keep asking...I've seen all of your messages.
Don Hicks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Streamlined tube |
Once again, that bicycle/airplane connection rears it's head. It's no
wonder that the first plane was built by bicycle makers.
Ken
On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, mike cushway wrote:
> The aluminum aero-tubing that I had mentioned is a componemt of one of our
> high-end
> bike frames. It normally arrives in 3 foot lengths and is internally
> butted. I was lucky enough
> to "scrounge" (5) 9 foot lengths that are straight gage and were used to
> prototype the frame.
> I will try to find out if this tubing could be bought "retail" from the
> supplier. I am hoping to use
> the tubing for lift struts.
>
> John Greenlee wrote:
>
> > I agree.
> >
> > John
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net>
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 2:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
> >
> > >Yes
> > > Seems plenty expensive..... The old balsa glued to the back side
> > >of the strut and wrapped with "pinked tape" and doped works fairly
> > >well and isn't to expensive, It damn sure would look "period".
> > >H.W.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: steve(at)byu.edu
> > >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 10:19 AM
> > >Subject: RE: Streamlined tube
> > >
> > >
> > >>This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?
> > >>
> > >>Steve Eldredge
> > >>IT Services
> > >>Brigham Young University
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> Behalf Of Ken
> > >>> Beanlands
> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM
> > >>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >>> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered
> > >>> the stuff
> > >>> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as
> > >>> they were
> > >>> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else call this
> > >>> morning? ;-)
> > >>>
> > >>> Ken
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> > Howard'
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without
> > >>> shipping, is for four -
> > >>> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be a good
> > >>> > alternative.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Mark
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > > Mark:
> > >>> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'
> > >>> lengths which will
> > >>> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material
> > >>> fits over your
> > >>> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per
> > >>> foot. LEAF part
> > >>> > > # A2685
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > H.W.
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >>> > > From: mboynton(at)excite.com <mboynton(at)excite.com>
> > >>> > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >>> > > Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 7:32 AM
> > >>> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about
> > >the
> > >>> > > streamline
> > >>> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced
> > >>> internally,
> > >>> > > and what
> > >>> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and
> > >>> what is the
> > >>> > > source?
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about
> > >>> figuring out
> > >>> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > >Mark Boynton
> > >>> > > >Gilbert, Arizona
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the
> > >bicycle
> > >>> > > industry we
> > >>> > > >call
> > >>> > > >> it airfoil tubing)
> > >>> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall
> > >>> auminum tubing. The
> > >>> > > major
> > >>> > > >axis
> > >>> > > >> is 3.125 and
> > >>> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys
> > >>> think that it
> > >>> > > would
> > >>> > > >work
> > >>> > > >> for lift struts.
> > >>> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.
> > >>> > > >>
> > >>> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:
> > >>> > > >>
> > >>> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......
> > >>> > > >> >
> > >>> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type
> > >steel
> > >>> > > you'll
> > >>> > > >gain
> > >>> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline
> > >tube
> > >>> > > will carry
> > >>> > > >a
> > >>> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a
> > >>> Cub are P L E N
> > >>> > > T Y
> > >>> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust
> > >and
> > >>> > > corrosion.
> > >>> > > >> >
> > >>> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft
> > >>> steel was 1020.
> > >>> > > >> >
> > >>> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small
> > >>> tubes. I've
> > >>> > > never
> > >>> > > >heard
> > >>> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from
> > >>> negative gs) and
> > >>> > > causing
> > >>> > > >an
> > >>> > > >> > accident in a Piet.
> > >>> > > >> >
> > >>> > > >> > John
> > >>> > > >> >
> > >>> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >>> > > >> > From: wayne
> > >>> > > >> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >>> > > >> > Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 7:30 PM
> > >>> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube
> > >>> > > >> >
> > >>> > > >> > >
> > >>> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined
> > >struts
> > >>> > > from cubs.
> > >>> > > >Is
> > >>> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way
> > >>> to tell? I'd
> > >>> > > like
> > >>> > > >to
> > >>> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic
> > >>> said he used
> > >>> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the
> > >>> standard wing
> > >>> > > strut
> > >>> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was
> > >>> welded inside
> > >>> > > the
> > >>> > > >other
> > >>> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's
> > >the
> > >>> > > group
> > >>> > > >opinion
> > >>> > > >> > >here?
> > >>> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single
> > >>> or going dual
> > >>> > > >ignition?
> > >>> > > >> > >
> > >>> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg
> > >>> > > >> > >
> > >>> > > >>
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > >_______________________________________________________
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > _______________________________________________________
> > >>> >
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your
> > >eyes
> > >>> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always
> > >be.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Stumpy and Martha |
A little aviation humor for ya, modified to fit the Piet list ;-)
Stumpy and his wife Martha went to the state fair at Brodhead every
year. Every year Stumpy would say, "Martha, I'd like to ride in that there
Pietenpol."
And every year Martha would say, "I know Stumpy, but that Pietenpol ride
costs ten dollars, and ten dollars is ten dollars."
One year Stumpy and Martha went to the fair and Stumpy said, "Martha,
I'm 71 years old. If I don't ride that Pietenpol this year I may never
get another chance."
Martha replied, "Stumpy that there Pietenpol ride costs ten dollars, and
ten dollars is ten dollars."
The pilot overheard them and said, "Folks, I'll make you a deal. I'll
take you both up for a ride. If you can stay quiet for the entire ride
and not say one word, I won't charge you, but if you say one word it's ten
dollars."
Stumpy and Martha agreed and up they go. The pilot does all kinds of
twists and turns, rolls and dives (Must have been one of those Super Piets
with 4130 streamlined struts and a Corvair engine ;-) but not a word is
heard. He does all his tricks over again, but still not a word.
They land and the pilot turns to Stumpy, "By golly, I did everything I
could think of to get you to yell out, but you didn't."
Stumpy replied, "Well, I was gonna say something when Martha fell out,
but ten dollars is ten dollars."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC" |
| Subject: | Last name Request |
Doug Who????
I've got the Corvair Tech. Manual copied.. ready to send and I have your
address as 171 Alix, Alberta. Is your last Name Hunt??
Domenic
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
Akin to the Stumpy and Martha story, my all time favorite line
which Robert Redford said to an unsure passenger: " If you really
hate it I'll give you a second ride free !"
Mike C.
Akin to the Stumpy and Martha story, my all time favorite line
which Robert Redford said to an unsure passenger:
If you really
hate it I'll give you a second ride free !
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Stumpy and Martha |
Ken Beanlands wrote:
>
> A little aviation humor for ya, modified to fit the Piet list ;-)
>
>
> Stumpy replied, "Well, I was gonna say something when Martha fell out,
> but ten dollars is ten dollars."
Thanks, A good joke is a good joke.
Dannymac
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | fishin <fishin(at)wwa.com> |
| Subject: | Re: position of white pine pieces? |
first of all these are not white pine,,,they are white ash, important that they
not be confused as the landing gera and struts are attached to
them.
as I understand it Bernard used the center line as his point of reference...this
is how I measured mine and it worked out fine in reference with
the verticle braces..
regards
JoeC
Zion, Illinois
Richard DeCosta wrote:
> I wonder if someone could help me settlw where to put the pieces of
> white pine on the floor of the piet? The plans have dimensions that
> dont go exactly to the edge of the pieces, (they end up somewhere in
> the middle) so Im not sure exactly where theyre suppsed to go. Anyone?
> ===
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in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
> ---------------------------------------------------------
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>
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| From: | John R Bayer <jrbayer2(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
URGENT:
The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use some funds
(PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,
TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!
Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!
1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern "Cub" type
landing gear.
2. A propeller for the Model "A" Piet.
3. Radiator for the same.
4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.
THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!
John Bayer
Meany Piet Project
(206) 205-6903 (w)
(425) 823-7865 (h)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | POSITION OF WHITE PINE (WHITE ASH) PIECES |
Not sure if I understand the question on subject as to where the white ash pieces
go. The drawing seems mostly clear to me. The aft piece attaches to the front
of the front seat back and extends outboard to the fuselage inside gussets.
At the seat back the "V" braces rest on top of the ash piece. The drawing
is a little misleading in this respect as the "V" braces do not actually come
together and touch at the bottom. Mine did at first, then after I realized they
had to be trimmed 3/4 inch to make way for the ash piece. The forward piece
aligns with the forward gear attach points, running from gusset to gusset.
Hope this answers the gentleman's question.
________________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, John R Bayer wrote:
> URGENT:
>
> The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use some funds
> (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,
>
> TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!
>
> Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!
>
> 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern "Cub" type
> landing gear.
I don't often hear the cub refered to as "modern" ;-). Chech with Global
Aircraft near Edmonton at 1-800-561-6448. They may have what you're
looking for in used parts at a reasonable price.
> 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.
Stits is not a water-based system. The only waterborne system available
that I know of is AFS. Check out thier web site at
http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/ . They are a small company so freebes
are probably out of the question. But, Tammy and Paul are good people to
deal with and really know thier product and have been covering planes with
it for over 15 years.
>
>
> THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!
>
> John Bayer
> Meany Piet Project
> (206) 205-6903 (w)
> (425) 823-7865 (h)
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: position of white pine pieces? |
Thats good. Yes, I meant to say ash, not pine. Thats what I have.
I positioned mine as the centerline like you said. I am also using that
line as the place where my floor is split (2 piece plywood floor), so
both pieces will meet there
(http://www.aircamper.org/users/rdecosta/myprogress/RDeCosta-Jun9.1999-6.JPG)
Should I use a scarf joint, or will a but-joint do it? If those arent
correct terms, someone please correct me, Im not proud. :)
Richard
--- fishin wrote:
> first of all these are not white pine,,,they are white ash, important
> that they not be confused as the landing gera and struts are attached
> to
> them.
> as I understand it Bernard used the center line as his point of
> reference...this is how I measured mine and it worked out fine in
> reference with
> the verticle braces..
> regards
> JoeC
> Zion, Illinois
>
> Richard DeCosta wrote:
>
> > I wonder if someone could help me settlw where to put the pieces of
> > white pine on the floor of the piet? The plans have dimensions that
> > dont go exactly to the edge of the pieces, (they end up somewhere
> in
> > the middle) so Im not sure exactly where theyre suppsed to go.
> Anyone?
> > ===
> > "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to
> fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim
> Tavenner
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
> >
>
>
===
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in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
---------------------------------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: POSITION OF WHITE PINE (WHITE ASH) PIECES |
Thanks, I think I understand now. For those you are still wondering,
this image cleared it all up for me:
http://207.140.1.221/cgi-bin/urlgo.exe?url=%2Facimg%2Fwbefseat3-sm.jpg
Richard
--- "Conrad, Bart D" wrote:
> Not sure if I understand the question on subject as to where the
> white ash pieces go. The drawing seems mostly clear to me. The aft
> piece attaches to the front of the front seat back and extends
> outboard to the fuselage inside gussets. At the seat back the "V"
> braces rest on top of the ash piece. The drawing is a little
> misleading in this respect as the "V" braces do not actually come
> together and touch at the bottom. Mine did at first, then after I
> realized they had to be trimmed 3/4 inch to make w
>
===
"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how
in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
---------------------------------------------------------
Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
---------------------------------------------------------
My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John R Bayer <jrbayer2(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Thanks a lot, Ken. Will do.
John Bayer
writes:
>On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, John R Bayer wrote:
>
>> URGENT:
>>
>> The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use some
>funds
>> (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,
>>
>> TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!
>>
>> Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!
>>
>> 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern "Cub"
>type
>> landing gear.
>
>I don't often hear the cub refered to as "modern" ;-). Chech with
>Global
>Aircraft near Edmonton at 1-800-561-6448. They may have what you're
>looking for in used parts at a reasonable price.
>
>> 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.
>
>Stits is not a water-based system. The only waterborne system
>available
>that I know of is AFS. Check out thier web site at
>http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/ . They are a small company so
>freebes
>are probably out of the question. But, Tammy and Paul are good people
>to
>deal with and really know thier product and have been covering planes
>with
>it for over 15 years.
>
>>
>>
>> THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!
>>
>> John Bayer
>> Meany Piet Project
>> (206) 205-6903 (w)
>> (425) 823-7865 (h)
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David B. Schober" <dschober(at)mail.fscwv.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
John,
I would strongly suggest that you not use a water based finish on your Piet
project. Every airplane I've seen with a water based finish doesn't last,
turns chalky and gets alligater cracks in a few years.
What type wheels are you looking for? Maybe a better question is what
diameter axles do you have?
John R Bayer wrote:
> URGENT:
>
> The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use some funds
> (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,
>
> TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!
>
> Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!
>
> 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern "Cub" type
> landing gear.
>
> 2. A propeller for the Model "A" Piet.
>
> 3. Radiator for the same.
>
> 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.
>
> THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!
>
> John Bayer
> Meany Piet Project
> (206) 205-6903 (w)
> (425) 823-7865 (h)
--
David B.Schober, CPE
Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
Fairmont State College
National Aerospace Education Center
1050 East Benedum Industrial Drive
Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503
(304) 842-8300
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David B. Schober" <dschober(at)mail.fscwv.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: TWO PIECE WING |
The only version of a 2 piece wing I've seen is to use the 3 piece drawings. Make
one panel that is the outboard panel only, and then make the other with the
center section integrel. It will save about 6 pounds and only require one set
of
fittings for dissassembly.
Conrad, Bart D wrote:
> I noticed in the Pietnepol Directory that some Piet builders have built a two-piece
wing. Does anyone know if a drawing exists for a two-piece wing? I think
it is worth looking into. Fewer fittings, easier to make, etc. Thanks, Bart
--
David B.Schober, CPE
Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
Fairmont State College
National Aerospace Education Center
1050 East Benedum Industrial Drive
Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503
(304) 842-8300
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
I agree with you on water BASED systems. However, I think (hope) he was
looking for a water-BORNE system. These are completely different. AFS is
the only one I know of carrying a water-BORNE system for aircraft
covering, priming and painting. Thier non-toxic topcoats use 3 parts
paint, 1 part cataylyst and 1/2-1 part water (determined by the correct
viscosity). The water is used as a solvent only until the paint sets, then
it is totally impervious to water and most chemicals. One of the
Christavia builders I know covered his plane with this system 15 years ago
and it still looks good.
Ken
On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, David B. Schober wrote:
> John,
> I would strongly suggest that you not use a water based finish on your Piet
> project. Every airplane I've seen with a water based finish doesn't last,
> turns chalky and gets alligater cracks in a few years.
>
> What type wheels are you looking for? Maybe a better question is what
> diameter axles do you have?
>
> John R Bayer wrote:
>
> > URGENT:
> >
> > The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use some funds
> > (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,
> >
> > TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!
> >
> > Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!
> >
> > 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern "Cub" type
> > landing gear.
> >
> > 2. A propeller for the Model "A" Piet.
> >
> > 3. Radiator for the same.
> >
> > 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.
> >
> > THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!
> >
> > John Bayer
> > Meany Piet Project
> > (206) 205-6903 (w)
> > (425) 823-7865 (h)
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> David B.Schober, CPE
> Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
> Fairmont State College
> National Aerospace Education Center
> 1050 East Benedum Industrial Drive
> Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503
> (304) 842-8300
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John R Bayer <jrbayer2(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Yes, Water BORNE.
Thanks, Ken and Dave!
John Bayer
writes:
>I agree with you on water BASED systems. However, I think (hope) he
>was
>looking for a water-BORNE system. These are completely different. AFS
>is
>the only one I know of carrying a water-BORNE system for aircraft
>covering, priming and painting. Thier non-toxic topcoats use 3 parts
>paint, 1 part cataylyst and 1/2-1 part water (determined by the
>correct
>viscosity). The water is used as a solvent only until the paint sets,
>then
>it is totally impervious to water and most chemicals. One of the
>Christavia builders I know covered his plane with this system 15 years
>ago
>and it still looks good.
>
>Ken
>
>On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, David B. Schober wrote:
>
>> John,
>> I would strongly suggest that you not use a water based finish on
>your Piet
>> project. Every airplane I've seen with a water based finish doesn't
>last,
>> turns chalky and gets alligater cracks in a few years.
>>
>> What type wheels are you looking for? Maybe a better question is
>what
>> diameter axles do you have?
>>
>> John R Bayer wrote:
>>
>> > URGENT:
>> >
>> > The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use some
>funds
>> > (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,
>> >
>> > TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!
>> >
>> > Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!
>> >
>> > 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern
>"Cub" type
>> > landing gear.
>> >
>> > 2. A propeller for the Model "A" Piet.
>> >
>> > 3. Radiator for the same.
>> >
>> > 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.
>> >
>> > THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!
>> >
>> > John Bayer
>> > Meany Piet Project
>> > (206) 205-6903 (w)
>> > (425) 823-7865 (h)
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
*****
>>
>> David B.Schober, CPE
>> Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
>> Fairmont State College
>> National Aerospace Education Center
>> 1050 East Benedum Industrial Drive
>> Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503
>> (304) 842-8300
>>
>>
>> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your
>eyes
>> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always
>be.
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
No however I've heard that German intelligence aquired
a copy of Pietenpol plans for Willy Messerschimt while
designing the 109. The British knew of this and
sent a defective copy. This probably ended the war
six to eight weeks early!
-----Original Message-----
From: Smith, Randy <RSmith2(at)reedtool.com>
Date: Friday, June 04, 1999 10:14 AM
>Has anyone wondered, along with me, why when North American designed the
P51
>Mustang, they copied the profile of thePietenpol vertical stabilizer and
>rudder?
>
>Steve, please check to see if I am double subscribed....got 181 messages in
>two days!
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Streamlined tube |
The orginal struts on the Pietenpol didn't have jury struts
but i bet a dollar to a doughnut that the would withstand more
than the negative 2 or 1 g's that i here people talk about. Are
we comparing apples to apples when comparing stream
lines struts the cross sectional area may be the same as
modernized struts however the set of plans I have show
4 crimps running the entire length of the strut thus this
would of given much greater compression strength!
-----Original Message-----
From: John Greenlee <jgreenlee(at)morgan.net>
Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 8:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Streamlined tube
>I ain't no engineer but......
>
>If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type steel you'll gain
>some confidence that a quite small in section streamline tube will carry a
>Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a Cub are P L E N T Y
>strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust and corrosion.
>
>Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft steel was 1020.
>
>Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small tubes. I've never
heard
>of a streamline tube failing (other than from negative gs) and causing an
>accident in a Piet.
>
>John
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: wayne
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 7:30 PM
>Subject: Streamlined tube
>
>
>>
>> Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined struts from cubs.
Is
>>this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way to tell? I'd like to
>>use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic said he used
>>streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the standard wing strut
>>material would be too light but perhaps if one was welded inside the other
>>to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's the group opinion
>>here?
>> For the corvair users are you staying with single or going dual ignition?
>>
>>Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
Howard,
I like using RAKA epoxy its cheap, strong and water proof
build a few ribs to get a good understanding of the glues
characteristics(GEE I HOPE I SPEELED THAT WORD CORRECT!)
I use silica to thicken after presaturating sanded parts!
however you'll need to paint your wings white or silver!
-----Original Message-----
From: Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net>
Date: Sunday, June 06, 1999 10:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: progress
>DannyMac:
> What kind of glue is this?? Resourcinol? Epoxy? Urea
>Formaldehyde? Casien? I've never heard of it.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dannymac <dannymac@hal-pc.org>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Saturday, June 05, 1999 8:51 PM
>Subject: progress
>
>
>>Dear Group,
>>
>> Mr. Peters in Calgary has been so helpful passing on many hints
>>about construction techniques and short cuts. I decided to use that
>>"Structan" brand glue that the Canadians have been using for many
>years
>>now. I beleive there is only one supplier in the States for it. It
>has a
>>30 min. work time, 2 hour clamp time, and a 7 day fully cure time. I
>>glued 2 samples of that Australian hoop-pine plywood (5 ply) 1/4".
>After
>>33 hours I pryed the joint (not sheered) and it separated across 3
>plys
>>splintering at each layer. I couldn't ask for any better than that.
>> I have an almost empty table waiting for wood. I bought 200
>2"x#12
>>flathead (phillip) wood screws and made rib jigs (six of 'em) out of
>>them by building a pattern rib out of fir I had laying around and
>>screwing them all into the top of the table using the pattern rib as
>a
>>guide. I beleive I can make quick work of this part of the process.
>>Big Thanks to everyone.
>>
>>DannyMac
>>
>>P.S. Wood was held up by weather, Jean said it was to be shipped
>Friday.
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: Are my messages getting through?? |
Yes call the EAA in Oskosh get back issues of experimenter.
They have run monthly article on ea-81 conversion for a couple
of years. Also theres a guide in Aztec New MEXICO that sells
redrives and direct drive applications and will mail you free info
as carburation etc I'll look and see if i can find his name and address!
russell
-----Original Message-----
From: DonanClara(at)aol.com <DonanClara(at)aol.com>
Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 9:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FW: Are my messages getting through??
>Steve W..... Yes, you.re getting thru to me. I haven't replied as I'm not
>knowledgeable re: Subaru engines, but thought someone else might reply.
Guess
>not. Anyway keep asking...I've seen all of your messages.
>Don Hicks
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug <ve6zh(at)oanet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Last name Request |
You have it correct,sorry about that.
Also,i hooked the thrust gauge to the Champ that i fly,it has a C-85,fine
pitch prop,about 50 degrees OAT@2680',it pulled 364#.
Doug Hunt
> From: BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Last name Request
> Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 9:24 AM
>
> Doug Who????
>
> I've got the Corvair Tech. Manual copied.. ready to send and I have your
> address as 171 Alix, Alberta. Is your last Name Hunt??
> Domenic
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug <ve6zh(at)oanet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Screen Saver |
I would like a copy as well,thanks in advance.
Doug
> From: Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Piet Screen Saver
> Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 7:14 PM
>
> I wrote a screen saver that has G-bucco flying
> across the screen. Would anyone mind beta testing
> it for me. It works fine, but I would like some
> feedback. the zip file is about 500k.
>
> regards
> Bill
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | oil can <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Toe in, toe out ?? alignment |
I'm in the process of welding in the axles on my super ace, and am wondering
about the toe in/out alignment. I've think that I have decided on a toe out,
but how many degrees from datum should the axles be toed?
OCB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug <ve6zh(at)oanet.com> |
I live in Alix,which is about 30 miles east of Red Deer,or about 20 miles
west of Stettler where i work.My Piet is covered,and painted,now building
the cowling(head scratching),then i will put the wings back on,and do the
wieght and balance,etc.sure would like to see your bird fly.I wonder where
you are flying and which day this weekend,i work this saturday,but the shop
is about 3 minutes from the airport!
Doug
> From: Wayne and Kathy <ktokarz(at)incentre.net>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Piet
> Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 9:02 PM
>
> Doug were do you live, I'm in Cold Lake and am planing a trip for this
> weekend. Maybe we might cross paths. Also how far along is your piet?
>
> Wayne Tokarz
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Wayne and Kathy <ktokarz(at)incentre.net> |
Doug wrote:
>
> I live in Alix,which is about 30 miles east of Red Deer,or about 20 miles
> west of Stettler where i work.My Piet is covered,and painted,now building
> the cowling(head scratching),then i will put the wings back on,and do the
> wieght and balance,etc.sure would like to see your bird fly.I wonder where
> you are flying and which day this weekend,i work this saturday,but the shop
> is about 3 minutes from the airport!
> Doug
>
Hi Doug, This Sunday I'll be doing the Bonnyville Poker Ralley. I'll be
passing through St.Paul, Vegreville, and Loydminster. Vegreville is
about as close as I'll be getting. long way for you to drive. As for
your cowl, I really like the one that VUU has. It is very period looking
and quite easy to make with 1100 alum. I believe it is .063 but I'll
check and see if I can get you some photos.
Wayne
________________________________________________________________________________
Wayne and Kathy wrote:
> Hi Doug, This Sunday I'll be doing the Bonnyville Poker Ralley. I'll be
> passing through St.Paul, Vegreville, and Loydminster. Vegreville is
> about as close as I'll be getting. long way for you to drive. As for
> your cowl, I really like the one that VUU has. It is very period looking
> and quite easy to make with 1100 alum. I believe it is .063 but I'll
> check and see if I can get you some photos.
>
> Wayne
Wayne,
I would love to see photos of the cowl too.
Dannymac
________________________________________________________________________________
Dear Group,
All rib members and gussets are cut, sanded, fitted, labeled, and
sorted. Assembly begins in a few hours. I estimated 2 days cutting wood
and seem to be right on schedule. I plan to use dead-weights rather than
clamps. This should allow a faster assembly time. With the six jigs, I
am shooting for 2-3 weeks on completing the ribs, but I still must feed
myself so we'll see. Knocking off 30 mins early to clean everything each
day eats up the drive time I'm saving had I chose a nearby shed for the
build. But it sure feels good to work in air-conditioning.
I purchased a digital camera to document with but one of the
comports on my mainboard is bad, so I can't back them up on my computer.
I shall fix it soon or save them elsewhere. More later.
Dannymac
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | virus warning -for real |
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===
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in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
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| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne and Kathy <ktokarz(at)incentre.net>
Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 11:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet
Hi Wayne. My GN-1 has a cub cowl, and I've been thinking about changing out
to something like Michael Cuys and Frank Pivlaga's style. Would be
interested in seing the VUU photos also.
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
As for
>your cowl, I really like the one that VUU has. It is very period looking
>and quite easy to make with 1100 alum. I believe it is .063 but I'll
>check and see if I can get you some photos.
>
>Wayne
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Toe in, toe out ?? alignment |
Bob:
As nobody has yet responded to this post let me give my two cents
worth. In an article by Marvin Hoppelworth in an old edition of Sport
Aviation discussing this matter Marvin recommends 1-2 degrees toe out.
The theory (and it holds true in application) is that when you turn to
the right on the ground the ground pressure on the left wheel
increases. If this wheel is toed in it will be pointing slightly in
the direction of the turn (to the right). This wheel now has more
traction and thus more directional influence and will tend to point
you tighter into your turn. The result is what is called oversteer in
the automotive world, and makes something difficult to control. If on
the other hand the wheel is toed out it will tend to pull you back
toward straight which results in a positive stability.
This applies only to tail draggers. On nose draggers the
situation is reversed just as steering in a vehicle with rear steering
is reversed....
I hope this helps understand the matter. I personally would use
very little toe out... just enough to be sure that toe in did not
-----Original Message-----
From: oil can <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 5:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Toe in, toe out ?? alignment
>I'm in the process of welding in the axles on my super ace, and am
wondering
>about the toe in/out alignment. I've think that I have decided on a
toe out,
>but how many degrees from datum should the axles be toed?
>
>OCB
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Greenlee <jgreenlee(at)morgan.net> |
| Subject: | Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
The Poly-Fibre chief mugwump told me last year they have developed and
certified a water based system. They think the day will come when a lot of
these wonderful solvent based products will be banned. He said it is ready
to manufacture, just sort of waiting for its day to come.
Why not contact them and see if they want a sort-of 'beta' tester?
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 3:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, John R Bayer wrote:
>
>> URGENT:
>>
>> The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use some funds
>> (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,
>>
>> TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!
>>
>> Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!
>>
>> 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern "Cub" type
>> landing gear.
>
>I don't often hear the cub refered to as "modern" ;-). Chech with Global
>Aircraft near Edmonton at 1-800-561-6448. They may have what you're
>looking for in used parts at a reasonable price.
>
>> 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.
>
>Stits is not a water-based system. The only waterborne system available
>that I know of is AFS. Check out thier web site at
>http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/ . They are a small company so freebes
>are probably out of the question. But, Tammy and Paul are good people to
>deal with and really know thier product and have been covering planes with
>it for over 15 years.
>
>>
>>
>> THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!
>>
>> John Bayer
>> Meany Piet Project
>> (206) 205-6903 (w)
>> (425) 823-7865 (h)
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)startribune.com> |
Does anyone know the John Deere part number for the tailwheel spring?
I have been searching BPA newsletters and archived e-mails to no
avail.
Alternative suggestions accepted.
Thanks, Greg Cardinal
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Toe in, toe out ?? alignment |
Good explanation, and I concur. I run 0 degrees on my piet. At such slow
landing speeds there isn't a problem.
Steve Eldredge
> -----Original Message-----
> Howard Wilkinson
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 1999 8:54 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Toe in, toe out ?? alignment
>
>
> Bob:
> As nobody has yet responded to this post let me give my two cents
> worth. In an article by Marvin Hoppelworth in an old edition of Sport
> Aviation discussing this matter Marvin recommends 1-2 degrees toe out.
> The theory (and it holds true in application) is that when you turn to
> the right on the ground the ground pressure on the left wheel
> increases. If this wheel is toed in it will be pointing slightly in
> the direction of the turn (to the right). This wheel now has more
> traction and thus more directional influence and will tend to point
> you tighter into your turn. The result is what is called oversteer in
> the automotive world, and makes something difficult to control. If on
> the other hand the wheel is toed out it will tend to pull you back
> toward straight which results in a positive stability.
> This applies only to tail draggers. On nose draggers the
> situation is reversed just as steering in a vehicle with rear steering
> is reversed....
> I hope this helps understand the matter. I personally would use
> very little toe out... just enough to be sure that toe in did not
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oil can <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 5:41 PM
> Subject: Toe in, toe out ?? alignment
>
>
> >I'm in the process of welding in the axles on my super ace, and am
> wondering
> >about the toe in/out alignment. I've think that I have decided on a
> toe out,
> >but how many degrees from datum should the axles be toed?
> >
> >OCB
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: virus warning -for real |
I can verify this as well. Delete the email.
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Richard DeCosta
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 5:36 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: virus warning -for real
>
>
> Just wanted to give all you guys and gals a heads-up on this. Theres a
> new email virus circulating. If you get an email with a message like
> "Hi [Recipient Name]! I received your email and I shall send you a
> reply ASAP. Till then, take a look at the attached zipped
> docs. Bye" DO
> NOT OPEN IT. It contains an attatched file called "zipped_files.exe"
> which contains a virus. DO NOT RUN THAT FILE. Delete the
> entire message
> and be happy.
>
> References for this virus:
> http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/worm.explore.zip.html
> http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/worm990610.html
> http://www.avertlabs.com/public/datafiles/valerts/vinfo/va10185.asp
>
> Happy surfing,
> Richard
> ===
> "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe
> to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this
> old?" - Jim Tavenner
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
PolyFibre make 3 manufacturers that have now stated the concern that the
EPA will ban solvent based paints. I've heard the same from AFS and one of
the Dupont reps. One of the guys on the AFS course with me was the liason
guy between the EPA and the fertilizer company he worked for. He seemed to
think that this ban would arrive fairly soon with the introduction of the
new waterborne epoxies available from most paint suppliers.
I was reading PolyFibres ad in July's Kitplanes magazine and they now have
a waterborne paint system available for composite aircraft. I don't think
it'll be long before the rest of thier product line goes that way. They
are so much nicer to work with as there are no flamable fumes or toxic
solvents wo worry. I drank a nice big glass of the AFS solvent this
morning and had no ill effects ;-).
Ken
On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, John Greenlee wrote:
> The Poly-Fibre chief mugwump told me last year they have developed and
> certified a water based system. They think the day will come when a lot of
> these wonderful solvent based products will be banned. He said it is ready
> to manufacture, just sort of waiting for its day to come.
>
> Why not contact them and see if they want a sort-of 'beta' tester?
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 3:06 PM
> Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> >On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, John R Bayer wrote:
> >
> >> URGENT:
> >>
> >> The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use some funds
> >> (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,
> >>
> >> TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!
> >>
> >> Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!
> >>
> >> 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern "Cub" type
> >> landing gear.
> >
> >I don't often hear the cub refered to as "modern" ;-). Chech with Global
> >Aircraft near Edmonton at 1-800-561-6448. They may have what you're
> >looking for in used parts at a reasonable price.
> >
> >> 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.
> >
> >Stits is not a water-based system. The only waterborne system available
> >that I know of is AFS. Check out thier web site at
> >http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/ . They are a small company so freebes
> >are probably out of the question. But, Tammy and Paul are good people to
> >deal with and really know thier product and have been covering planes with
> >it for over 15 years.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!
> >>
> >> John Bayer
> >> Meany Piet Project
> >> (206) 205-6903 (w)
> >> (425) 823-7865 (h)
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lightsey, Mark - TP2MAL" <MLightsey(at)socalgas.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Toe in, toe out ?? alignment |
Howard is correct with regards to toe in/out. With the Super Ace however,
you need to be concerned with the camber angle. When built to the plans, the
outrigger gear has a tremendous amount of camber when unloaded and if you
touch down with a wing low, you can get into a situation where the the wheel
gets tucked under and drags the side of your wheel rather than rolling. I
speak from experience, I messed up my Super Ace pretty bad a couple of weeks
ago because of this quirk.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 1999 7:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe in, toe out ?? alignment
Bob:
As nobody has yet responded to this post let me give my two cents
worth. In an article by Marvin Hoppelworth in an old edition of Sport
Aviation discussing this matter Marvin recommends 1-2 degrees toe out.
The theory (and it holds true in application) is that when you turn to
the right on the ground the ground pressure on the left wheel
increases. If this wheel is toed in it will be pointing slightly in
the direction of the turn (to the right). This wheel now has more
traction and thus more directional influence and will tend to point
you tighter into your turn. The result is what is called oversteer in
the automotive world, and makes something difficult to control. If on
the other hand the wheel is toed out it will tend to pull you back
toward straight which results in a positive stability.
This applies only to tail draggers. On nose draggers the
situation is reversed just as steering in a vehicle with rear steering
is reversed....
I hope this helps understand the matter. I personally would use
very little toe out... just enough to be sure that toe in did not
-----Original Message-----
From: oil can <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 5:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Toe in, toe out ?? alignment
>I'm in the process of welding in the axles on my super ace, and am
wondering
>about the toe in/out alignment. I've think that I have decided on a
toe out,
>but how many degrees from datum should the axles be toed?
>
>OCB
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Toe in, toe out ?? alignment |
Guys, is this a CORBIN Super Ace you are talking about?
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Lightsey, Mark - TP2MAL <MLightsey(at)socalgas.com>
Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 11:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Toe in, toe out ?? alignment
>Howard is correct with regards to toe in/out. With the Super Ace however,
>you need to be concerned with the camber angle. When built to the plans,
the
>outrigger gear has a tremendous amount of camber when unloaded and if you
>touch down with a wing low, you can get into a situation where the the
wheel
>gets tucked under and drags the side of your wheel rather than rolling. I
>speak from experience, I messed up my Super Ace pretty bad a couple of
weeks
>ago because of this quirk.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>Sent: Sunday, June 13, 1999 7:54 AM
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Re: Toe in, toe out ?? alignment
>
>
>Bob:
> As nobody has yet responded to this post let me give my two cents
>worth. In an article by Marvin Hoppelworth in an old edition of Sport
>Aviation discussing this matter Marvin recommends 1-2 degrees toe out.
>The theory (and it holds true in application) is that when you turn to
>the right on the ground the ground pressure on the left wheel
>increases. If this wheel is toed in it will be pointing slightly in
>the direction of the turn (to the right). This wheel now has more
>traction and thus more directional influence and will tend to point
>you tighter into your turn. The result is what is called oversteer in
>the automotive world, and makes something difficult to control. If on
>the other hand the wheel is toed out it will tend to pull you back
>toward straight which results in a positive stability.
> This applies only to tail draggers. On nose draggers the
>situation is reversed just as steering in a vehicle with rear steering
>is reversed....
> I hope this helps understand the matter. I personally would use
>very little toe out... just enough to be sure that toe in did not
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: oil can <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 5:41 PM
>Subject: Toe in, toe out ?? alignment
>
>
>>I'm in the process of welding in the axles on my super ace, and am
>wondering
>>about the toe in/out alignment. I've think that I have decided on a
>toe out,
>>but how many degrees from datum should the axles be toed?
>>
>>OCB
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
YOU DRANK A GLASS OF WHAT?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 11:13 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>PolyFibre make 3 manufacturers that have now stated the concern that the
>EPA will ban solvent based paints. I've heard the same from AFS and one of
>the Dupont reps. One of the guys on the AFS course with me was the liason
>guy between the EPA and the fertilizer company he worked for. He seemed to
>think that this ban would arrive fairly soon with the introduction of the
>new waterborne epoxies available from most paint suppliers.
>
>I was reading PolyFibres ad in July's Kitplanes magazine and they now have
>a waterborne paint system available for composite aircraft. I don't think
>it'll be long before the rest of thier product line goes that way. They
>are so much nicer to work with as there are no flamable fumes or toxic
>solvents wo worry. I drank a nice big glass of the AFS solvent this
>morning and had no ill effects ;-).
>
>Ken
>
>On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, John Greenlee wrote:
>
>> The Poly-Fibre chief mugwump told me last year they have developed and
>> certified a water based system. They think the day will come when a lot
of
>> these wonderful solvent based products will be banned. He said it is
ready
>> to manufacture, just sort of waiting for its day to come.
>>
>> Why not contact them and see if they want a sort-of 'beta' tester?
>>
>> John
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 3:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>
>> >On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, John R Bayer wrote:
>> >
>> >> URGENT:
>> >>
>> >> The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use some
funds
>> >> (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,
>> >>
>> >> TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!
>> >>
>> >> Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!
>> >>
>> >> 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern "Cub"
type
>> >> landing gear.
>> >
>> >I don't often hear the cub refered to as "modern" ;-). Chech with Global
>> >Aircraft near Edmonton at 1-800-561-6448. They may have what you're
>> >looking for in used parts at a reasonable price.
>> >
>> >> 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.
>> >
>> >Stits is not a water-based system. The only waterborne system available
>> >that I know of is AFS. Check out thier web site at
>> >http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/ . They are a small company so freebes
>> >are probably out of the question. But, Tammy and Paul are good people to
>> >deal with and really know thier product and have been covering planes
with
>> >it for over 15 years.
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!
>> >>
>> >> John Bayer
>> >> Meany Piet Project
>> >> (206) 205-6903 (w)
>> >> (425) 823-7865 (h)
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
AFS solvent is ....... distilled H2O, water! ;-)
Ken
On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Earl Myers wrote:
> YOU DRANK A GLASS OF WHAT?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> >PolyFibre make 3 manufacturers that have now stated the concern that the
> >EPA will ban solvent based paints. I've heard the same from AFS and one of
> >the Dupont reps. One of the guys on the AFS course with me was the liason
> >guy between the EPA and the fertilizer company he worked for. He seemed to
> >think that this ban would arrive fairly soon with the introduction of the
> >new waterborne epoxies available from most paint suppliers.
> >
> >I was reading PolyFibres ad in July's Kitplanes magazine and they now have
> >a waterborne paint system available for composite aircraft. I don't think
> >it'll be long before the rest of thier product line goes that way. They
> >are so much nicer to work with as there are no flamable fumes or toxic
> >solvents wo worry. I drank a nice big glass of the AFS solvent this
> >morning and had no ill effects ;-).
> >
> >Ken
> >
> >On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, John Greenlee wrote:
> >
> >> The Poly-Fibre chief mugwump told me last year they have developed and
> >> certified a water based system. They think the day will come when a lot
> of
> >> these wonderful solvent based products will be banned. He said it is
> ready
> >> to manufacture, just sort of waiting for its day to come.
> >>
> >> Why not contact them and see if they want a sort-of 'beta' tester?
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 3:06 PM
> >> Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >>
> >>
> >> >On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, John R Bayer wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> URGENT:
> >> >>
> >> >> The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use some
> funds
> >> >> (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,
> >> >>
> >> >> TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!
> >> >>
> >> >> Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!
> >> >>
> >> >> 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern "Cub"
> type
> >> >> landing gear.
> >> >
> >> >I don't often hear the cub refered to as "modern" ;-). Chech with Global
> >> >Aircraft near Edmonton at 1-800-561-6448. They may have what you're
> >> >looking for in used parts at a reasonable price.
> >> >
> >> >> 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.
> >> >
> >> >Stits is not a water-based system. The only waterborne system available
> >> >that I know of is AFS. Check out thier web site at
> >> >http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/ . They are a small company so freebes
> >> >are probably out of the question. But, Tammy and Paul are good people to
> >> >deal with and really know thier product and have been covering planes
> with
> >> >it for over 15 years.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!
> >> >>
> >> >> John Bayer
> >> >> Meany Piet Project
> >> >> (206) 205-6903 (w)
> >> >> (425) 823-7865 (h)
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Fw: Update - REAL ! Special Edition-Computer Virus |
-----Original Message-----
From: Emmett Bratt <ebratt(at)sprynet.com>
P Butler ; Lee Antonacci ; Gary
Antonacci ; Katie Hines ; Joseph Soltys
Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 10:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Update - REAL ! Special Edition-Computer Virus
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Alessi, Rosanne, NNO <rosannealessi(at)att.com>
>To: ron at work ; Emmett ; alessi,
>Joe ; macpherson, margie ; mary
>simler ; dart
>Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 2:44 PM
>Subject: Update - REAL ! Special Edition-Computer Virus
>
>
>>FYI . .
>>
>>This virus is around lucent and ATT . . Lucent just shut their mail
servers
>>down to put a fix in to prevent 'infection!' This looks serious and looks
>>like Melissa !!
>>
>>Rosanne
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AT&T Public Relations
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 1:36 PM
>>> Subject: Special Edition-Computer Virus
>>>
>>> AT&T TODAY
>>> HELP SPREAD THE WORD
>>> Please post or pass along copies of AT&T TODAY
>>> for co-workers who can't access it.
>>> AT&T TODAY
>>> (U.S. Edition)
>>> THURSDAY, June 10, 1999 - 1:30 p.m. ET
>>> *** SPECIAL EDITION ***
>>>
>>> COMPUTER VIRUS SPECIAL EDITION
>>>
>>> A new and potentially very damaging computer virus called W32/ExploreZip
>>> Worm is making its way through AT&T.
>>>
>>> The message may come from someone to whom you had sent a message. It
>>> contains the following text:
>>>
>>> "Hi" (followed by user's last name) I received your email and I
>>> shall send you a reply ASAP. Till then, take a look at the attached
>>> zipped docs."
>>>
>>> If you receive this message -- Do not open the zip file! It contains a
>>> Trojan Horse virus that will delete files with the extensions .C, .CPP,
>>> .H, .ASM, .DOC, .XLS, .PPT on drives A-Z.
>>>
>>> If you clicked on the zip file, you are infected. First print this page
>>> to save instructions on accessing an anti-virus web site. Then turn off
>>> your computer immediately to avoid further damage.
>>>
>>> If you are comfortable using anti-virus software, turn your computer on
>>> again - but do not open your email.
>>>
>>> If you are not comfortable with using anti-virus software, keep your
>>> computer off and call your PC technical support group.
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>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Distilled Hydrogen Dioxide....the elixer of life!
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 11:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>AFS solvent is ....... distilled H2O, water! ;-)
>
>Ken
>
>On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Earl Myers wrote:
>
>> YOU DRANK A GLASS OF WHAT?
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 11:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>
>> >PolyFibre make 3 manufacturers that have now stated the concern that the
>> >EPA will ban solvent based paints. I've heard the same from AFS and one
of
>> >the Dupont reps. One of the guys on the AFS course with me was the
liason
>> >guy between the EPA and the fertilizer company he worked for. He seemed
to
>> >think that this ban would arrive fairly soon with the introduction of
the
>> >new waterborne epoxies available from most paint suppliers.
>> >
>> >I was reading PolyFibres ad in July's Kitplanes magazine and they now
have
>> >a waterborne paint system available for composite aircraft. I don't
think
>> >it'll be long before the rest of thier product line goes that way. They
>> >are so much nicer to work with as there are no flamable fumes or toxic
>> >solvents wo worry. I drank a nice big glass of the AFS solvent this
>> >morning and had no ill effects ;-).
>> >
>> >Ken
>> >
>> >On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, John Greenlee wrote:
>> >
>> >> The Poly-Fibre chief mugwump told me last year they have developed and
>> >> certified a water based system. They think the day will come when a
lot
>> of
>> >> these wonderful solvent based products will be banned. He said it is
>> ready
>> >> to manufacture, just sort of waiting for its day to come.
>> >>
>> >> Why not contact them and see if they want a sort-of 'beta' tester?
>> >>
>> >> John
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
>> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> >> Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 3:06 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, John R Bayer wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> URGENT:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use some
>> funds
>> >> >> (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern
"Cub"
>> type
>> >> >> landing gear.
>> >> >
>> >> >I don't often hear the cub refered to as "modern" ;-). Chech with
Global
>> >> >Aircraft near Edmonton at 1-800-561-6448. They may have what you're
>> >> >looking for in used parts at a reasonable price.
>> >> >
>> >> >> 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.
>> >> >
>> >> >Stits is not a water-based system. The only waterborne system
available
>> >> >that I know of is AFS. Check out thier web site at
>> >> >http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/ . They are a small company so
freebes
>> >> >are probably out of the question. But, Tammy and Paul are good people
to
>> >> >deal with and really know thier product and have been covering planes
>> with
>> >> >it for over 15 years.
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> John Bayer
>> >> >> Meany Piet Project
>> >> >> (206) 205-6903 (w)
>> >> >> (425) 823-7865 (h)
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Taiwheel spring |
Hi Greg,
>Does anyone know the John Deere part number for the tailwheel spring?
>I have been searching BPA newsletters and archived e-mails to no
>avail.
>Alternative suggestions accepted.
Its been a few months since I looked into this, but I seem to recall that a
company called "Century Spring" had a couple of compression springs in stock
that closely matched the spring specified in the plans. I have not yet gone
so far as to ask for a price. If you do, and there's anything suitable,
please let us all know. The URL that I've pasted below allows you to specify
various spring parameters (length, diameter, spring constant...). If you
input some broad ranges for these quantities that generally match the piet
tailspring, you get a list of the parts they manufacture.
http://www.centuryspring.com/newonlinecatalog/default.asp
Hope that helps.
--Peter
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| From: | "Lightsey, Mark - TP2MAL" <MLightsey(at)socalgas.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Toe in, toe out ?? alignment |
Yes, the Corben Super Ace. If you're interested in seeing "before" pictures,
go to:
http://members.tripod.com/Mark_Lightsey/index.html
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 8:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe in, toe out ?? alignment
Guys, is this a CORBIN Super Ace you are talking about?
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Lightsey, Mark - TP2MAL <MLightsey(at)socalgas.com>
Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 11:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Toe in, toe out ?? alignment
>Howard is correct with regards to toe in/out. With the Super Ace however,
>you need to be concerned with the camber angle. When built to the plans,
the
>outrigger gear has a tremendous amount of camber when unloaded and if you
>touch down with a wing low, you can get into a situation where the the
wheel
>gets tucked under and drags the side of your wheel rather than rolling. I
>speak from experience, I messed up my Super Ace pretty bad a couple of
weeks
>ago because of this quirk.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>Sent: Sunday, June 13, 1999 7:54 AM
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Re: Toe in, toe out ?? alignment
>
>
>Bob:
> As nobody has yet responded to this post let me give my two cents
>worth. In an article by Marvin Hoppelworth in an old edition of Sport
>Aviation discussing this matter Marvin recommends 1-2 degrees toe out.
>The theory (and it holds true in application) is that when you turn to
>the right on the ground the ground pressure on the left wheel
>increases. If this wheel is toed in it will be pointing slightly in
>the direction of the turn (to the right). This wheel now has more
>traction and thus more directional influence and will tend to point
>you tighter into your turn. The result is what is called oversteer in
>the automotive world, and makes something difficult to control. If on
>the other hand the wheel is toed out it will tend to pull you back
>toward straight which results in a positive stability.
> This applies only to tail draggers. On nose draggers the
>situation is reversed just as steering in a vehicle with rear steering
>is reversed....
> I hope this helps understand the matter. I personally would use
>very little toe out... just enough to be sure that toe in did not
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: oil can <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 5:41 PM
>Subject: Toe in, toe out ?? alignment
>
>
>>I'm in the process of welding in the axles on my super ace, and am
>wondering
>>about the toe in/out alignment. I've think that I have decided on a
>toe out,
>>but how many degrees from datum should the axles be toed?
>>
>>OCB
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Cunningham <mikec(at)microlandusa.com> |
| Subject: | Water borne/based paints (Was HELP!!) |
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 5:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any of you guys have experience with the System Three WR-LPU (Water
reduceable-Linear Polyurethane) products. Their literature really makes it
sound great (imagine that). I think it is a "water borne" system as they use
a "cross linker" along with the water thinner.
>I agree with you on water BASED systems. However, I think (hope) he was
>looking for a water-BORNE system. These are completely different. AFS is
>the only one I know of carrying a water-BORNE system for aircraft
>covering, priming and painting. Thier non-toxic topcoats use 3 parts
>paint, 1 part cataylyst and 1/2-1 part water (determined by the correct
>viscosity). The water is used as a solvent only until the paint sets, then
>it is totally impervious to water and most chemicals. One of the
>Christavia builders I know covered his plane with this system 15 years ago
>and it still looks good.
>
>Ken
>
>On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, David B. Schober wrote:
>
>> John,
>> I would strongly suggest that you not use a water based finish on your
Piet
>> project. Every airplane I've seen with a water based finish doesn't last,
>> turns chalky and gets alligater cracks in a few years.
>>
>> What type wheels are you looking for? Maybe a better question is what
>> diameter axles do you have?
>>
>> John R Bayer wrote:
>>
>> > URGENT:
>> >
>> > The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use some funds
>> > (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,
>> >
>> > TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!
>> >
>> > Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!
>> >
>> > 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern "Cub"
type
>> > landing gear.
>> >
>> > 2. A propeller for the Model "A" Piet.
>> >
>> > 3. Radiator for the same.
>> >
>> > 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.
>> >
>> > THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!
>> >
>> > John Bayer
>> > Meany Piet Project
>> > (206) 205-6903 (w)
>> > (425) 823-7865 (h)
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
*
>>
>> David B.Schober, CPE
>> Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
>> Fairmont State College
>> National Aerospace Education Center
>> 1050 East Benedum Industrial Drive
>> Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503
>> (304) 842-8300
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
| Subject: | more spoked wheels |
Listers: Here's the website for Buchanan Spokes in California. Lots of
neat wire wheels stuff.
http://www.buchananspokes.com/
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John R Bayer <jrbayer2(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
THanks, Ken, Mike, and everybody else that answered on the paint system!
John Bayer
writes:
>PolyFibre make 3 manufacturers that have now stated the concern that
>the
>EPA will ban solvent based paints. I've heard the same from AFS and
>one of
>the Dupont reps. One of the guys on the AFS course with me was the
>liason
>guy between the EPA and the fertilizer company he worked for. He
>seemed to
>think that this ban would arrive fairly soon with the introduction of
>the
>new waterborne epoxies available from most paint suppliers.
>
>I was reading PolyFibres ad in July's Kitplanes magazine and they now
>have
>a waterborne paint system available for composite aircraft. I don't
>think
>it'll be long before the rest of thier product line goes that way.
>They
>are so much nicer to work with as there are no flamable fumes or
>toxic
>solvents wo worry. I drank a nice big glass of the AFS solvent this
>morning and had no ill effects ;-).
>
>Ken
>
>On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, John Greenlee wrote:
>
>> The Poly-Fibre chief mugwump told me last year they have developed
>and
>> certified a water based system. They think the day will come when a
>lot of
>> these wonderful solvent based products will be banned. He said it
>is ready
>> to manufacture, just sort of waiting for its day to come.
>>
>> Why not contact them and see if they want a sort-of 'beta' tester?
>>
>> John
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 3:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>
>> >On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, John R Bayer wrote:
>> >
>> >> URGENT:
>> >>
>> >> The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use some
>funds
>> >> (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,
>> >>
>> >> TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!
>> >>
>> >> Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!
>> >>
>> >> 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern
>"Cub" type
>> >> landing gear.
>> >
>> >I don't often hear the cub refered to as "modern" ;-). Chech with
>Global
>> >Aircraft near Edmonton at 1-800-561-6448. They may have what
>you're
>> >looking for in used parts at a reasonable price.
>> >
>> >> 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.
>> >
>> >Stits is not a water-based system. The only waterborne system
>available
>> >that I know of is AFS. Check out thier web site at
>> >http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/ . They are a small company so
>freebes
>> >are probably out of the question. But, Tammy and Paul are good
>people to
>> >deal with and really know thier product and have been covering
>planes with
>> >it for over 15 years.
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!
>> >>
>> >> John Bayer
>> >> Meany Piet Project
>> >> (206) 205-6903 (w)
>> >> (425) 823-7865 (h)
>> >>
>> >
>>
>C-GREN
>> >When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your
>eyes
>> >turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always
>be.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net> |
| Subject: | Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Earl:
I can assure you that you did not drink a glass of hydrogen
dioxide... there is no such thing. What you probably drank was common
distilled water. A molecule of water consists of two hydrogen atoms
and one oxygen atom, and thus might be refered to as dihydrogen oxide,
but definitely not hydrogen dioxide.
-----Original Message-----
From: Earl Myers
Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 9:05 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Distilled Hydrogen Dioxide....the elixer of life!
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 11:52 AM
>Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>>AFS solvent is ....... distilled H2O, water! ;-)
>>
>>Ken
>>
>>On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Earl Myers wrote:
>>
>>> YOU DRANK A GLASS OF WHAT?
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
>>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>> Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 11:13 AM
>>> Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> >PolyFibre make 3 manufacturers that have now stated the concern
that the
>>> >EPA will ban solvent based paints. I've heard the same from AFS
and one
>of
>>> >the Dupont reps. One of the guys on the AFS course with me was
the
>liason
>>> >guy between the EPA and the fertilizer company he worked for. He
seemed
>to
>>> >think that this ban would arrive fairly soon with the
introduction of
>the
>>> >new waterborne epoxies available from most paint suppliers.
>>> >
>>> >I was reading PolyFibres ad in July's Kitplanes magazine and they
now
>have
>>> >a waterborne paint system available for composite aircraft. I
don't
>think
>>> >it'll be long before the rest of thier product line goes that
way. They
>>> >are so much nicer to work with as there are no flamable fumes or
toxic
>>> >solvents wo worry. I drank a nice big glass of the AFS solvent
this
>>> >morning and had no ill effects ;-).
>>> >
>>> >Ken
>>> >
>>> >On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, John Greenlee wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> The Poly-Fibre chief mugwump told me last year they have
developed and
>>> >> certified a water based system. They think the day will come
when a
>lot
>>> of
>>> >> these wonderful solvent based products will be banned. He said
it is
>>> ready
>>> >> to manufacture, just sort of waiting for its day to come.
>>> >>
>>> >> Why not contact them and see if they want a sort-of 'beta'
tester?
>>> >>
>>> >> John
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
>>> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>> >> Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 3:06 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> >On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, John R Bayer wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> URGENT:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use
some
>>> funds
>>> >> >> (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the
modern
>"Cub"
>>> type
>>> >> >> landing gear.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I don't often hear the cub refered to as "modern" ;-). Chech
with
>Global
>>> >> >Aircraft near Edmonton at 1-800-561-6448. They may have what
you're
>>> >> >looking for in used parts at a reasonable price.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Stits is not a water-based system. The only waterborne system
>available
>>> >> >that I know of is AFS. Check out thier web site at
>>> >> >http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/ . They are a small company
so
>freebes
>>> >> >are probably out of the question. But, Tammy and Paul are good
people
>to
>>> >> >deal with and really know thier product and have been covering
planes
>>> with
>>> >> >it for over 15 years.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> John Bayer
>>> >> >> Meany Piet Project
>>> >> >> (206) 205-6903 (w)
>>> >> >> (425) 823-7865 (h)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >>
(Aerospace)
C-GREN
>>> >> > (_) (_)
<http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
>>> >> >When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with
your eyes
>>> >> >turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will
always be.
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
C-GREN
>>> > (_) (_)
<http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
>>> >When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your
eyes
>>> >turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always
be.
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
*
>>When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your
eyes
>>turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always
be.
*
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ron Beasley <ronbeasley(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Toe in, toe out ?? alignment |
List Members,
I am new to the list only because I have an opportunity to purchase a
completed Piet that was built in 92. It has a 65hp Cont (69 hours since
overhaul), looks great, and the gent is askin 10.5K.
Is this a good price? I don't have a tail dragger endorsement on my
certificate and realize I will need type training. Is the Piet difficult to
fly? What are the flight characteristics? What is the performance
capabilities (stall speed, cruise speed, rate of climb, etc). I would like
to hear from anyone with any information/advise on the Piet. Thanks in
advance.
Ron
Yorktown, VA
>From: "Lightsey, Mark - TP2MAL" <MLightsey(at)socalgas.com>
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: RE: Toe in, toe out ?? alignment
>Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:30:50 -0700
>
>Howard is correct with regards to toe in/out. With the Super Ace however,
>you need to be concerned with the camber angle. When built to the plans,
>the
>outrigger gear has a tremendous amount of camber when unloaded and if you
>touch down with a wing low, you can get into a situation where the the
>wheel
>gets tucked under and drags the side of your wheel rather than rolling. I
>speak from experience, I messed up my Super Ace pretty bad a couple of
>weeks
>ago because of this quirk.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>Sent: Sunday, June 13, 1999 7:54 AM
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Re: Toe in, toe out ?? alignment
>
>
>Bob:
> As nobody has yet responded to this post let me give my two cents
>worth. In an article by Marvin Hoppelworth in an old edition of Sport
>Aviation discussing this matter Marvin recommends 1-2 degrees toe out.
>The theory (and it holds true in application) is that when you turn to
>the right on the ground the ground pressure on the left wheel
>increases. If this wheel is toed in it will be pointing slightly in
>the direction of the turn (to the right). This wheel now has more
>traction and thus more directional influence and will tend to point
>you tighter into your turn. The result is what is called oversteer in
>the automotive world, and makes something difficult to control. If on
>the other hand the wheel is toed out it will tend to pull you back
>toward straight which results in a positive stability.
> This applies only to tail draggers. On nose draggers the
>situation is reversed just as steering in a vehicle with rear steering
>is reversed....
> I hope this helps understand the matter. I personally would use
>very little toe out... just enough to be sure that toe in did not
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: oil can <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 5:41 PM
>Subject: Toe in, toe out ?? alignment
>
>
> >I'm in the process of welding in the axles on my super ace, and am
>wondering
> >about the toe in/out alignment. I've think that I have decided on a
>toe out,
> >but how many degrees from datum should the axles be toed?
> >
> >OCB
> >
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Fay <jefay(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | John Deere spring |
About John Deere springs and an alternative from Kawasaki: I looked
back in my file and what did I find--the first email I ever sent, and
it was to this group almost 2 years ago.
John Fay in Peoria
Message #452701
Date: Monday, September 08, 1997 10:20:37 PM
________________________________________________________________________________
Topic: Re: Tail Spring
grhans(at)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
PI>On Sat, 6 Sep 1997, Doug Hunt wrote:
PI>> Hello everyone,have enjoying al the discussion coming through
daily.
PI>> I'am still trying to locate a source for a tailwheel spring
,would like t
PI>> hear of anyone that could point me in the right direction .
....ve6zh(at)cnnet.com
Hi, Doug:
I went looking through my old BPANews letters and found two good
entries
about springs for the tail wheel/skid. Issue #50, 1995, p. 5 and
w/pic on p. 11:
"Don Hicks (p.o.BOX 127, Hartford ,AL 36344) built this
tailwheel assembly
with plans from Yesterday's Wings. Coil spring is cut to
The 7 " spring section measures 170-190lbs.
fully compressed. Tubing from strut housing was used to
provide upper
and lower spring retainer sockets."
Issue #53, 1996, p.13 has a letter from Bruce Heinninger, 10613 W.
98th Ter.,
Overland Park , KS. 66214:
"John Deere sells a spring that's a perfect match for the
specs; its part number is
T 143444, and it costs about $9.00. Its outer dia. is 1.5
in.; full length
( no load ) is 6.73" ; the coil itself is .191" thick. I've
tested its compresed
load, and it almost gets totally compressed under my weight
(c. 210 lbs.). I
don't know what the spring is used for in a John Deere, but
Ken Perkins tells
me that the spring for a 1929 JD rake is a perfect match.
Maybe "that's what
it's for."
Hope these pieces help you out. I've been in this chat group for
about two weeks
now and have enjoyed reading the stuff. I'm very new to computers and
have never
successfully sent an email by myself. Hope this works and this all
wasn't a waste of
time!
John Fay
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| Subject: | Brodhead or Bust |
Let the serious planning begin! Good ol rand Mcnally to the rescue.
Ok you all, I am getting serious about planning this trip and want to know
the places I should stop along the way. There should be many, many places
since 2 hours is my range with 30 min left in the tanks. I would like to
visit anyone on the list along the way and meet you in person. I would also
like to visit your favorite airports, visitors sites, and general points of
interest. I am planning on leaving Provo the 23rd of July, with Duane
Woolsey in formation. Our first stop will be at Jensen UT, to visit a long
time piet enthusiast, Dave Karren. Our route will then take us up to Rock
Springs WY, Laramie, WY and probably down the front range of the rockies to
the metro Denver area where I grew up. After that we will follow the south
Platte river northeast to NE. We will fly east along the Platte river
across Nebraska to Omaha. Then fly just north of Des Moines, Cedar Rapids,
and then Brodhead. Plan to be at Hartford for the gathering and flight into
OSH. I have been asked to write up the adventure for EAA's Experimenter
magazine. This is going to be fun! See you all soon!
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Ragan <lragan(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Man, some of these dudes are smart. Cain't get away with nuthin!!
>From: Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net>
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:11:01 -0700
>
>Earl:
> I can assure you that you did not drink a glass of hydrogen
>dioxide... there is no such thing. What you probably drank was common
>distilled water. A molecule of water consists of two hydrogen atoms
>and one oxygen atom, and thus might be refered to as dihydrogen oxide,
>but definitely not hydrogen dioxide.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Earl Myers
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 9:05 AM
>Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> >Distilled Hydrogen Dioxide....the elixer of life!
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 11:52 AM
> >Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >
> >>AFS solvent is ....... distilled H2O, water! ;-)
> >>
> >>Ken
> >>
> >>On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Earl Myers wrote:
> >>
> >>> YOU DRANK A GLASS OF WHAT?
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> >>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >>> Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 11:13 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> >PolyFibre make 3 manufacturers that have now stated the concern
>that the
> >>> >EPA will ban solvent based paints. I've heard the same from AFS
>and one
> >of
> >>> >the Dupont reps. One of the guys on the AFS course with me was
>the
> >liason
> >>> >guy between the EPA and the fertilizer company he worked for. He
>seemed
> >to
> >>> >think that this ban would arrive fairly soon with the
>introduction of
> >the
> >>> >new waterborne epoxies available from most paint suppliers.
> >>> >
> >>> >I was reading PolyFibres ad in July's Kitplanes magazine and they
>now
> >have
> >>> >a waterborne paint system available for composite aircraft. I
>don't
> >think
> >>> >it'll be long before the rest of thier product line goes that
>way. They
> >>> >are so much nicer to work with as there are no flamable fumes or
>toxic
> >>> >solvents wo worry. I drank a nice big glass of the AFS solvent
>this
> >>> >morning and had no ill effects ;-).
> >>> >
> >>> >Ken
> >>> >
> >>> >On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, John Greenlee wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> The Poly-Fibre chief mugwump told me last year they have
>developed and
> >>> >> certified a water based system. They think the day will come
>when a
> >lot
> >>> of
> >>> >> these wonderful solvent based products will be banned. He said
>it is
> >>> ready
> >>> >> to manufacture, just sort of waiting for its day to come.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Why not contact them and see if they want a sort-of 'beta'
>tester?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> John
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>> >> From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> >>> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >>> >> Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 3:06 PM
> >>> >> Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> >On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, John R Bayer wrote:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >> URGENT:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use
>some
> >>> funds
> >>> >> >> (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the
>modern
> >"Cub"
> >>> type
> >>> >> >> landing gear.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >I don't often hear the cub refered to as "modern" ;-). Chech
>with
> >Global
> >>> >> >Aircraft near Edmonton at 1-800-561-6448. They may have what
>you're
> >>> >> >looking for in used parts at a reasonable price.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >> 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >Stits is not a water-based system. The only waterborne system
> >available
> >>> >> >that I know of is AFS. Check out thier web site at
> >>> >> >http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/ . They are a small company
>so
> >freebes
> >>> >> >are probably out of the question. But, Tammy and Paul are good
>people
> >to
> >>> >> >deal with and really know thier product and have been covering
>planes
> >>> with
> >>> >> >it for over 15 years.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> John Bayer
> >>> >> >> Meany Piet Project
> >>> >> >> (206) 205-6903 (w)
> >>> >> >> (425) 823-7865 (h)
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
>(Aerospace)
>C-GREN
> >>> >> > (_) (_)
><http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
> >>> >> >When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with
>your eyes
> >>> >> >turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will
>always be.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>>
>C-GREN
> >>> > (_) (_)
><http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
> >>> >When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your
>eyes
> >>> >turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always
>be.
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>
>*
> >>When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your
>eyes
> >>turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always
>be.
>*
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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| From: | Doug <ve6zh(at)oanet.com> |
Thanks,would like to see some shots of your cowling.
Doug
> From: Wayne and Kathy <ktokarz(at)incentre.net>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Piet
> Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 10:01 PM
>
> Doug wrote:
> >
> > I live in Alix,which is about 30 miles east of Red Deer,or about 20
miles
> > west of Stettler where i work.My Piet is covered,and painted,now
building
> > the cowling(head scratching),then i will put the wings back on,and do
the
> > wieght and balance,etc.sure would like to see your bird fly.I wonder
where
> > you are flying and which day this weekend,i work this saturday,but the
shop
> > is about 3 minutes from the airport!
> > Doug
> >
> Hi Doug, This Sunday I'll be doing the Bonnyville Poker Ralley. I'll be
> passing through St.Paul, Vegreville, and Loydminster. Vegreville is
> about as close as I'll be getting. long way for you to drive. As for
> your cowl, I really like the one that VUU has. It is very period looking
> and quite easy to make with 1100 alum. I believe it is .063 but I'll
> check and see if I can get you some photos.
>
> Wayne
>
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| From: | Doug <ve6zh(at)oanet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Taiwheel spring |
The part# is T143444 $13.80 Canadian as of Sept.97
Doug
> From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)startribune.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Taiwheel spring
> Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 9:21 AM
>
> Does anyone know the John Deere part number for the tailwheel spring?
> I have been searching BPA newsletters and archived e-mails to no
> avail.
> Alternative suggestions accepted.
>
> Thanks, Greg Cardinal
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| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Weight of wheels? |
John, and list,
Weighed my wheels tonight. Each one, without tire or tube or brakes, weigh
in at 8 lbs apiece.
walt
-----Original Message-----
From: John Fay <jefay(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 5:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Weight of wheels?
>
>
>List, (whole list, not just Mike)
>
>My partner Dave and I bought two sets of 19" mag wheels
>last night at a salvage yard. We are curious how they
>compare in weight to a spoked wheel. Does anyone know
>how much your completed, spoked wheel weighed (preferably
>without tire or brakes). We'll be weighing ours tonight.
>Dave still has his baby scales. I'll let you know what
>ours came out to.
>
>John in Peoria
>
>
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| From: | Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead or Bust |
Steve:
Please consider stopping in Three Forks Montana on the return
trip. The annual Montana Antique and Classic Aircraft fly in is held
on the weekend following Oshkosh, and is a great little fly in with
many antique and classic aircraft as well as homebuilts and ULs. Bob
Kamerman of Churchill Mt. keeps his Piet in a Hanger there and may
have his Tailwind completed and on display there. It is an easy going
friendly local fly in which attracts more and more Oshkosh return
traffic as well as locals each year. This event is small enough to
still be fun, and I would highly recommend it to anybody returning
from Oshkosh. I've attended this for many years. H.W.
-----Original Message-----
From: steve(at)byu.edu
Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 2:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead or Bust
>Let the serious planning begin! Good ol rand Mcnally to the rescue.
>
>Ok you all, I am getting serious about planning this trip and want
to know
>the places I should stop along the way. There should be many, many
places
>since 2 hours is my range with 30 min left in the tanks. I would
like to
>visit anyone on the list along the way and meet you in person. I
would also
>like to visit your favorite airports, visitors sites, and general
points of
>interest. I am planning on leaving Provo the 23rd of July, with
Duane
>Woolsey in formation. Our first stop will be at Jensen UT, to visit
a long
>time piet enthusiast, Dave Karren. Our route will then take us up to
Rock
>Springs WY, Laramie, WY and probably down the front range of the
rockies to
>the metro Denver area where I grew up. After that we will follow the
south
>Platte river northeast to NE. We will fly east along the Platte
river
>across Nebraska to Omaha. Then fly just north of Des Moines, Cedar
Rapids,
>and then Brodhead. Plan to be at Hartford for the gathering and
flight into
>OSH. I have been asked to write up the adventure for EAA's
Experimenter
>magazine. This is going to be fun! See you all soon!
>
>Steve Eldredge
>IT Services
>Brigham Young University
>
>
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| From: | CALLAIR(at)cybersol.com (Carpenter, Joel) |
| Subject: | unsubscribe piet |
UNSUBSCRIBE PIET
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| From: | John Fay <jefay(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Fwd: Wheel Weights 08 Jun 99 |
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| Subject: | Wheel Weights 08 Jun 99 |
John -
I weighed the wheels last night when I got home:
Tire: 11 lb
4 oz
Rim Disc 16 lb 3 oz
Rim,Disc,Tire: 27 lb 5 oz
Rim w/o Disc 11 lb 15 oz
Disc only 4 lb 4 oz
bolts
??????????
Tire valve (missing on Rim w/o tire)
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| From: | oil can <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com> |
My Super Ace is the Pober version. When I started the project, I wanted to
build the origonal, but had no idea that plans were even available.
As it turns out I am quite pleased with my slightly "improved" Pober version
ocb
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| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Early morning flight. |
Tammy Yedinak , Renee Beanlands ,
Pietenpol Discussion
AIRBORN AGAIN! After 10 weeks of waiting, I finally got in the air
yesterday morning. I had been flying a Citabria last summer out of
Springbank, near Calgary. Not particularly liking winter flying, I left it
until late March. I went back for a 1 hour checkout and was signed off. I
booked the plane for the following weekend with hopes of getting some solo
time before the fly-ins started. However, the day after my checkout, the
plane was sent out to repair a leaking tank. Every weekend since I have
booked the plane, and every weekend I was told that it would be "one more
week". Fortunately, at the last local RAA meeting two weeks ago, one of
the members mentioned that there was a PA-18-135 available for rent in
High River, 1 hour south of my place. When I was once again informed that
the Citabria would be one more week, I called High River.
High River Flight Center is owned by a relatively young entrapeneur, Kevin
Varey. He has about 10 planes including an ultralight, two Zlin 142's ,
172's etc. Kevin actually did my check-out and insisted I do wheel
landings. This was welcome news to me as he Citabria owners prohibitted
wheel landings.
This Super Cub is equipped with 8.00 tires giving it quite a nose hight
attitude on the ground. Further inspection revealed safety wires through
the bungee struts to prevent the plane from collapsing if the strut
failed. Another neat feature is the swing out engine mount which is
helpful for maintenance. Continuing around the plane revealed spring
loaded flaps. THey are not as large or powerful as those found on Cessna
172's or 180's, but do provide a reasonable degree of lift and speed
reduction on final.
High River itself is quite refreshing after flying out of the relatively
busy, controlled airfield at Springbank. I felt a lot more comfortable as
it was simular to the procedures I was familiar with flying the Cessna 180
on floats. There are two runways there, 06-24 is paved, 3000'x75' and
14-32 is a gravel strip of the same length. The weather was perfect, sunny
and 0 winds.
Getting in the plane was my first challenge, and it is harder than
anything you'll do in the air ;-). The landing gear is right in the way so
you either have to stretch in over it from the rear, using the step, or
try and get in from on top of the tire. Part of the problem is the small
amount of space between the seat and roof as well as the narrow width of
the cockpit. The Citabria certainly wins here. The second thing I have to
remember is to wear a ball cap the next time as there is no shade from the
sun in the front or top.
The instruments are well placed, but the controls seem to be scattered in
all the most awkward places. Throttle, fuel selector and flaps are not too
bad being located on the left hand side in easy reach. Mixture is on the
panel and the electric panel is in the right wing root. Sight guages in
the wing roots are calibrated to show quantity of the 18 gallon tanks both
in the 3 point and level flight position. However, the trim is a wind up
handle located at your left hip. The trim position indicator is invisible
to the pilot. The mags, carb and cabin heat are located above the trim in
an equally akward position. once again, the Citabria wins.
Taxi was relatively the same althought the plane is definitely heavier and
does not respond as briskly to braking. The heel brakes were a lot easier
to use than those in the Citabria I first flew, but I still prefer toe
brakes. Forward visibility is good and I do like the door arrangement that
allows flying with them open.
We started the flight by applying full power and full forward stick to get
the tail up as soon as possible, quite contrary to how I had been taught
in the CItabria. The flight went well and Kevin had me fly approaches to
about 3-5' off the ground and then keep it strait and level down the
runway. Next, we actually tried a couple of touch and goes. After flying
both floatplanes and three pointers in the Citabria, it was really hard
for me to push the stick forward on landing. Next lesson was to keep the
plane rolling down the runway with the tail up as long as I could before
applying power for a take-off. After half a dozen of those, it was back to
the hangar for the sign off.
It was then out for another hour of solo circuits. The take-off and climb
were down right amazing without the instructor. I actually got to the
point where I was greasing on a few landings. I even greased on 3 landings
in one approach ;-). As it was getting closer to 10:30, there was a little
more traffic, but it was still a lot easier to work this uncontrolled
field. I did make one bad bounce on what was to be the final landing.
Quick application of power and a go around was all that was needed to get
things back under control.
The PA-18 has far better STOL capabilities than the 7-ECA I was flying.
I'm sure that the extra 20 ponies, 3' of wingspan and flaps certainly
account for much of this. Climb speeds are similar with the edge going to
the PA-18. However, once in the air, the Citabria is more maneuverable and
certainly faster even with the smaller engine making it a better cross
country ship. It's also a little more comfortable. Baggage room is also
better in the Citabria although the 10 gallons and increased gross weight
of the PA-18 give it a better range and endurance.
When it comes to landings, there is no clear winner. The spring steel gear
of the Citabria can certainly bounce you back in the air quick enough but
it's short coupled tail tends to make it a little les prone to the dreaded
ground loop. The PA-18, on the other hand seems to be easy to pin on the
ground but you can certainly feel the yaw in any minor rudder movement. Of
course, I have never wheel landed the Citabria, so I can only compare them
in 3-point attitude.
Given the choice, I think I would favour the Citabria for it's better
ergonomics and better cross country performance. Ideally, the 150 hp
Citabria with flaps or even the 115 hp flap equipped Citabria might well
be the best of both worlds. However, if short or unprepared fields are in
the future or a need to do low and slow, the PA-18 wins hands down. There
was an amazing feeling of hovering when we deployed the 30 degrees of flap
and flew alond at 40-45 mph. It was so easy to keep that speed and the
view withthe door open was fantastic.
Ken
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| From: | baileys(at)ktis.net (Robert M. Bailey) |
| Subject: | Subaru information needed. |
Organization:
Hello list,
At my EAA chaper meeting yesterday someone said there is a list those
interested in the Subaru Engine A/C Conversion, but they didn't know the
address. If someone knows about this list would they please send
information to me.
Thanks in advance,
Bob Bailey
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| From: | Steve W <vistin(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Subaru information needed. |
Steve wrote:
Thanks
Steve
writes:
>Hello list,
>At my EAA chaper meeting yesterday someone said there is a list those
>interested in the Subaru Engine A/C Conversion, but they didn't know
>the
>address. If someone knows about this list would they please send
>information to me.
>Thanks in advance,
>Bob Bailey
>
Jes maken "WoodChips" heah in Missippippi!
url= http://www2.misnet.com/~vistin
email= vistin(at)juno.com
__________
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| Subject: | Re: Subaru information needed. |
Please send this info to me also.
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert M. Bailey
Date: Sunday, June 13, 1999 6:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Subaru information needed.
>Hello list,
>At my EAA chaper meeting yesterday someone said there is a list those
>interested in the Subaru Engine A/C Conversion, but they didn't know the
>address. If someone knows about this list would they please send
>information to me.
>Thanks in advance,
>Bob Bailey
>
>
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| From: | Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Forstner bit set |
Hi All!
Just got a sale flyer from Grizzly Industrial -- I've been on thier list
since I bought a 7" x 10" metal lathe last Fall -- they have a 16 piece
Forstner bit set G1673 (1/4" to 2 1/8" in 1/8" steps) for $39.95! I plan
on adding it to my Piet tool crib! ;-) Thier site is
www.grizzlyindustrial.com
Later
Mike C. in PP,KS
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| From: | Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net> |
| Subject: | Subaru Aircraft Engine list information |
Here is the subscription information I have..... It is about 1.5 years
old but I believe is still current. List owner is Kevin Hester, and
this list is moderated by him. If this doesn't work let me know and I
will pass along Kevin's E-Mail address. As always when subscribing to
a list KEEP THE WELCOME MESSAGE .... The welcome message contains
:
Receive future messages sent to the mailing list.
:
Stop receiving messages.
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert M. Bailey
Date: Sunday, June 13, 1999 3:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Subaru information needed.
>Hello list,
>At my EAA chaper meeting yesterday someone said there is a list those
>interested in the Subaru Engine A/C Conversion, but they didn't know
the
>address. If someone knows about this list would they please send
>information to me.
>Thanks in advance,
>Bob Bailey
>
>
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| From: | "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC" |
To all,
Well I finally started the freshly rebuilt corvair last Friday night , it
started after the second revolution. Just in time for the Brampton airshow.
Everyone loved the Piet. I even made the evening news. I plugged the 70th
Anniversary.
After the public had gone home and most air traffic ceased Sunday night I
ran up the engine and had the RPM checked by the Brampton Mechanic with his
digital infra-red instument,(my mini-tack was right on), then took it up.
It felt much better than the first flight. Attitude was normal, however if I
let go of the stick the plane pitched down and required intervention to
stop the downward movement. Over all though it was much better than the
first flight. There was some prop. unloading. Best static was 2620 and in
the air it improved to 2700 RPM. The extra 100 RPM made some difference.
Speed was 65 Kts.This looked like I was on the right track... Then I heard
some hick-up in the engine, started to smell burning oil, and in no time oil
was everywhere. The RPM dropped to 2400 but oil pressure was still O.K.. I
was 1/2 mile from the airport and made a beeline for the active. There was
no one in the circuit so it was easy to set up for the landing. The problem
was the windshield was covered with oil so I had to look to the sides. When
I did that, my goggles started to get coated with oil, but by now I was just
a few hundred feet from the button. The oil temp. went from 170 to 260
degrees. It was a good landing even if it was a little long. After I taxied
back, and wiped down the plane, I checked how much oil I had lost , it was 3
out of 6 quarts, so the bottom end at least is saved. Tonight I'll open it
up and explore the cause. I think the front seal blew. I still think I'm
running a little lean. I was going to do the propane test tonight... too
late now. A lesson learned here, test first... fly later. I suspect another
piston melt down.
Time is running out, It doesn't look good for Broadhead this year. Too bad,I
was all pumped up.
Will keep you informed on my progress,
Domenic
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| Subject: | Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Re the elixir of life...isn't that dihydrogen oxide? (H2O)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
yup
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed0248(at)aol.com <Ed0248(at)aol.com>
Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 10:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Re the elixir of life...isn't that dihydrogen oxide? (H2O)
>
>
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| From: | John Greenlee <jgreenlee(at)morgan.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Weight of wheels? |
Walt,
My 21" aircraft wheels fabricated from wide 4130 hub, aftermarket Harley
Davidson rims and spokes, knobby tire smoothed out, and air weighed 19 lbs
each. With fabric cover and paint, I'm sure its a little more.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net>
Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 7:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Weight of wheels?
>John, and list,
>Weighed my wheels tonight. Each one, without tire or tube or brakes,
weigh
>in at 8 lbs apiece.
>walt
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Fay <jefay(at)yahoo.com>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 5:52 PM
>Subject: Weight of wheels?
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>List, (whole list, not just Mike)
>>
>>My partner Dave and I bought two sets of 19" mag wheels
>>last night at a salvage yard. We are curious how they
>>compare in weight to a spoked wheel. Does anyone know
>>how much your completed, spoked wheel weighed (preferably
>>without tire or brakes). We'll be weighing ours tonight.
>>Dave still has his baby scales. I'll let you know what
>>ours came out to.
>>
>>John in Peoria
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Piet. |
<< Then I heard
some hick-up in the engine, started to smell burning oil, and in no time oil
was everywhere. >>
My heart sank when I read the above words. Then I thought it is all part of
the process of learning. I hope to be doing the same soon. I am installing
the pistons in my Corvair today or tomorrow. Keep us posted as I am learning
alot from your posts.
Keep the faith,
William Koucky
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Weight of wheels? |
-----Original Message-----
From: John Greenlee <jgreenlee(at)morgan.net>
Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 9:41 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Weight of wheels?
John, did you machine your own hub? If so, do you recall the measurments of
it?
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
>Walt,
>
>>From the recesses of my memory....
>
>My 21" aircraft wheels fabricated from wide 4130 hub, aftermarket Harley
>Davidson rims and spokes, knobby tire smoothed out, and air weighed 19 lbs
>each. With fabric cover and paint, I'm sure its a little more.
>
>John
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 7:49 PM
>Subject: Re: Weight of wheels?
>
>
>>John, and list,
>>Weighed my wheels tonight. Each one, without tire or tube or brakes,
>weigh
>>in at 8 lbs apiece.
>>walt
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Fay <jefay(at)yahoo.com>
>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 5:52 PM
>>Subject: Weight of wheels?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>List, (whole list, not just Mike)
>>>
>>>My partner Dave and I bought two sets of 19" mag wheels
>>>last night at a salvage yard. We are curious how they
>>>compare in weight to a spoked wheel. Does anyone know
>>>how much your completed, spoked wheel weighed (preferably
>>>without tire or brakes). We'll be weighing ours tonight.
>>>Dave still has his baby scales. I'll let you know what
>>>ours came out to.
>>>
>>>John in Peoria
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Taiwheel spring |
Greg, I have the part number at home. If you don't get a reply, let me
know and I will get it to you.
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| From: | "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC" |
| Subject: | Calling Corvair Piet. owners |
Who on the list has a successful Corvair powered PieT. ?
I need to talk to you, my dime.
Domenic
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| From: | mike cushway <mcushway(at)gdinet.com> |
| Subject: | FAA RULES and REGS. |
Is there any one book or publication that you guys favor as the "bible"
of homebuilt rules
and requirements? I see several listed, and would like to buy the"right
one" the first time.
Thanx.
Mike Cushway
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| From: | Mike Lund <malund(at)sprint.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Oh, man- all these years I've been thinking its budwiser. Maybee that why I
have trouble with latex finishes.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 10:17 AM
| Subject: | Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
> yup
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed0248(at)aol.com <Ed0248(at)aol.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 10:03 AM
> Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> >Re the elixir of life...isn't that dihydrogen oxide? (H2O)
> >
> >
>
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| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
| Subject: | Re: Weight of wheels?/tires |
John
What method did you use to smooth out your knobby tires?
John Mc
>
>My 21" aircraft wheels fabricated from wide 4130 hub, aftermarket Harley
>Davidson rims and spokes, knobby tire smoothed out, and air weighed 19 lbs
>each. With fabric cover and paint, I'm sure its a little more.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Piet. |
Well Domenic, I hope that it's not a piston and just an easy fix. I
finally got the head pulled on my parts engine last night. One cylinder
was seriously corroded, including the head. Thought it would be a good
head to practice the dual ignition conversion on if I change my mind and go
that route. Just confirm you are using the stock single ignition(slightly
modified as per previous posts). I had about 30-40 pages of literature on
corvair conversions. It was a letter type newsgroup in the early to mid
70's discussing various aspects. Virtually all had problems with lean
mixtures when using single crabs. The solution never came up in the
letters I have. As frustrating as your setbacks must be I'm sure a lot of
us would love to be at the stage you are at. Best of luck with the
repairs!
Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg
> From: BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Corvair Piet.
> Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 8:13 AM
>
> To all,
>
> Well I finally started the freshly rebuilt corvair last Friday night , it
> started after the second revolution. Just in time for the Brampton
airshow.
> Everyone loved the Piet. I even made the evening news. I plugged the 70th
> Anniversary.
> After the public had gone home and most air traffic ceased Sunday night I
> ran up the engine and had the RPM checked by the Brampton Mechanic with
his
> digital infra-red instument,(my mini-tack was right on), then took it
up.
> It felt much better than the first flight. Attitude was normal, however
if I
> let go of the stick the plane pitched down and required intervention to
> stop the downward movement. Over all though it was much better than the
> first flight. There was some prop. unloading. Best static was 2620 and in
> the air it improved to 2700 RPM. The extra 100 RPM made some difference.
> Speed was 65 Kts.This looked like I was on the right track... Then I
heard
> some hick-up in the engine, started to smell burning oil, and in no time
oil
> was everywhere. The RPM dropped to 2400 but oil pressure was still
O.K.. I
> was 1/2 mile from the airport and made a beeline for the active. There
was
> no one in the circuit so it was easy to set up for the landing. The
problem
> was the windshield was covered with oil so I had to look to the sides.
When
> I did that, my goggles started to get coated with oil, but by now I was
just
> a few hundred feet from the button. The oil temp. went from 170 to 260
> degrees. It was a good landing even if it was a little long. After I
taxied
> back, and wiped down the plane, I checked how much oil I had lost , it
was 3
> out of 6 quarts, so the bottom end at least is saved. Tonight I'll open
it
> up and explore the cause. I think the front seal blew. I still think I'm
> running a little lean. I was going to do the propane test tonight... too
> late now. A lesson learned here, test first... fly later. I suspect
another
> piston melt down.
> Time is running out, It doesn't look good for Broadhead this year. Too
bad,I
> was all pumped up.
>
> Will keep you informed on my progress,
> Domenic
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Piet. |
wayne wrote:
>
> Well Domenic, I hope that it's not a piston and just an easy fix. I
> finally got the head pulled on my parts engine last night. One cylinder
> was seriously corroded, including the head. Thought it would be a good
> head to practice the dual ignition conversion on if I change my mind and go
> that route.
Would you be boldly going were none have gone before,
or have there been others who have successfully converted
for dual ignition?
Pat
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| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
| Subject: | Re:shaving the aileron |
Hey group, would anyone know if it would be a
good ideal to double the capstrip on the aileron
directly aft the hinge crevise, (bottom)sand off
or cut out the section that blunts out into the airstream
when the aileron is in the most downward position?
By letting the aileron droop down and marking
a line then cutting out excess material seems
that it would stop some adverse yaw? yaw!
1>would doing this affect the airfoil in level flight?
2>would it be worth the trouble?
3.what would be any draw backs?
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| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Subaru information needed. |
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----Original Message-----
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| Subject: | Re: Subaru information needed. |
>Please send this info to me also.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert M. Bailey
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Sunday, June 13, 1999 6:01 PM
>Subject: Subaru information needed.
>
>
>>Hello list,
>>At my EAA chaper meeting yesterday someone said there is a list those
>>interested in the Subaru Engine A/C Conversion, but they didn't know the
>>address. If someone knows about this list would they please send
>>information to me.
>>Thanks in advance,
>>Bob Bailey
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weight of wheels? |
A) How much did the air weigh?
B) How did you smooth the knobby tyres?
I gave up on that and bought a pair of 21"Simplex antique motorcycle
tyres, real skinny ones........
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: John Greenlee <jgreenlee(at)morgan.net>
Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 10:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Weight of wheels?
>Walt,
>
>>From the recesses of my memory....
>
>My 21" aircraft wheels fabricated from wide 4130 hub, aftermarket Harley
>Davidson rims and spokes, knobby tire smoothed out, and air weighed 19 lbs
>each. With fabric cover and paint, I'm sure its a little more.
>
>John
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 7:49 PM
>Subject: Re: Weight of wheels?
>
>
>>John, and list,
>>Weighed my wheels tonight. Each one, without tire or tube or brakes,
>weigh
>>in at 8 lbs apiece.
>>walt
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Fay <jefay(at)yahoo.com>
>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 5:52 PM
>>Subject: Weight of wheels?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>List, (whole list, not just Mike)
>>>
>>>My partner Dave and I bought two sets of 19" mag wheels
>>>last night at a salvage yard. We are curious how they
>>>compare in weight to a spoked wheel. Does anyone know
>>>how much your completed, spoked wheel weighed (preferably
>>>without tire or brakes). We'll be weighing ours tonight.
>>>Dave still has his baby scales. I'll let you know what
>>>ours came out to.
>>>
>>>John in Peoria
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | Ron Beasley <ronbeasley(at)hotmail.com> |
Hello list,
I hate to be a pest but I asked for some advise a week ago and I only heard
from one person. Here is my delima. I can purchase a 93 Piet with a Cont
65-8 (with 69hrs smoh). The gent wants 10.5K for it and it looks real good.
I will go for a flight in a couple weeks or so to see for my self what it
is like. The owner says it will do 60mph in level flight. I am not
familiar with the plane. I know I like the way it looks and its slow speed
performance. Does this seem like a good buy. What should I be looking for
when I eye ball the plane. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Ron Beasley
Yorktown, VA
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IF YOU WANT IT< GO FOR IT! Only time will tell if it is a good deal. There
are a lot of variables to look at to come up with a price, however, around
here, that is the going price for a fairly new, good Piet with a good
engine.
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Beasley <ronbeasley(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 9:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Should I
>Hello list,
>
>I hate to be a pest but I asked for some advise a week ago and I only heard
>from one person. Here is my delima. I can purchase a 93 Piet with a Cont
>65-8 (with 69hrs smoh). The gent wants 10.5K for it and it looks real
good.
> I will go for a flight in a couple weeks or so to see for my self what it
>is like. The owner says it will do 60mph in level flight. I am not
>familiar with the plane. I know I like the way it looks and its slow speed
>performance. Does this seem like a good buy. What should I be looking for
>when I eye ball the plane. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Ron Beasley
>Yorktown, VA
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Craig Lawler <clawler(at)ptd.net> |
x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"
Ron,
I have a C-65 Peit up in Pa. It's a blast to fly. Is the one your
looking at a Piet or Grega? What kind of wheels are on it and what does
it weigh? Do you have a mechanic that will work on the plane for you? Or
one that will sign off work?
Craig
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Dear Group,
I awoke this morning with ribs 8 and 9 dry in their jigs. I had to play
locksmith all day all the while wishing to play wood-worm. You all are
an inspiration. (Sniffle-choke) I love you guys.
Dannymac
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| From: | Larry Neal <llneal(at)earthlink.net> |
Ron,
Okay, Okay... my usual list of flippant comments, but you asked!
1. Nowdays nything that can get you off the ground is worth at least $5k.
2. Anything that can get you off the ground and back down again is worth at
least $10k.
3. It's getting unusual for sellers to let you fly before buying, be sure to do
so with the seller in the front seat.
4. 60mph does not seem to swift for 65hp. Check the engine and the A/C's
weight.
5. You should look for quality workmanship and potential problems, but you
should also have your favorite A&P along to look for reasons not to buy it.
If the 60mph thing is due to setup, prop or some other problem and the rest of
the airplane holds up I'd say it would sound pretty good to me. But check
Bernie's specs on the A and Corvair against what weights and speeds you get and
the opinion of your A&P.
LLN
Ron Beasley wrote:
> Hello list,
>
> I hate to be a pest but I asked for some advise a week ago and I only heard
> from one person. Here is my delima. I can purchase a 93 Piet with a Cont
> 65-8 (with 69hrs smoh). The gent wants 10.5K for it and it looks real good.
> I will go for a flight in a couple weeks or so to see for my self what it
> is like. The owner says it will do 60mph in level flight. I am not
> familiar with the plane. I know I like the way it looks and its slow speed
> performance. Does this seem like a good buy. What should I be looking for
> when I eye ball the plane. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Ron Beasley
> Yorktown, VA
>
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| From: | Mike Bell <mbell(at)sctcorp.com> |
| Subject: | Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
The elixir of life is fermented and distilled in the highlands of
Scotland.
Mike Bell
Columbia, SC
PS- any Pietenpols in the greater Washington DC area? I'll be
working here weekly for the next year.
Earl Myers on 06/14/99 10:17:05 AM
Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
cc:
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yup
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed0248(at)aol.com <Ed0248(at)aol.com>
Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 10:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Re the elixir of life...isn't that dihydrogen oxide? (H2O)
>
>
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| From: | Gary Woodbridge <garywood(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Re: shaving the aileron |
Dave,
Where in S.W. Missouri do you live? I sometimes make it over to N.W.
Arkansas in my Maule and
would like to go for a ride in a Piet.
Gary Woodbridge
David Atnip wrote:
> Hi Russell, Hope your Piet is coming along. For the rest of the
> discussion group. I have been setting back and reading all your comments
> and enjoying. I live in S.W Missouri and finished building my Piet in
> 96. I now have almost 100 hours on it . It is built to Piet plans,
> except I removed the rudder bar and installed rudder pedals, which i
> really like. I have a Cont. 0-200 also installed. I would like to hear
> from you all on how your (flying Piets) handle in turbulent air? my
> experience in Light planes is small. I had about 12 hours in a cub to
> get my tailwheel endorsement. In smooth air it flies like a dream.
> Anyway your comments would be appreciated.. Dave
>
> kyle ray wrote:
>
> > Hey group, would anyone know if it would be a
> > good ideal to double the capstrip on the aileron
> > directly aft the hinge crevise, (bottom)sand off
> > or cut out the section that blunts out into the airstream
> > when the aileron is in the most downward position?
> > By letting the aileron droop down and marking
> > a line then cutting out excess material seems
> > that it would stop some adverse yaw? yaw!
> >
> > 1>would doing this affect the airfoil in level flight?
> > 2>would it be worth the trouble?
> > 3.what would be any draw backs?
> > hey David and Lenny!
> >
> >
> > -
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| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
Keep at it Danny! I find myself to be spread too thin and want to work at
it more than I do.
A little bit at a time and a little time spent on each little
bit.....eventually it will fly.
It is kinda like building on an installment plan.
I miss the group when it is quiet out there.
John Mc
-----Original Message-----
From: dannymac <dannymac@hal-pc.org>
Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 8:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
>Dear Group,
>
>I awoke this morning with ribs 8 and 9 dry in their jigs. I had to play
>locksmith all day all the while wishing to play wood-worm. You all are
>an inspiration. (Sniffle-choke) I love you guys.
>
>Dannymac
>
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| From: | Dlwoolsey(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Soob ea-81 conversion. |
I have posted a few words here on the EA-81 in my air camper. I biult my
reduction drive from plans I purchased from RFI publishing. I am using a
single electronic ignition (crane cams XR-700) two 36MM carbs mounted on a
simple 90 degree manifold madw up from 1 3/4 inch tubing and 1/4 inch plate.
I am very pleased with this combination. It started first pull and has run
for 114 hours without a single stutter. I did spend a little time getting
the jetting right but once it was dialed in it realy runs good and gives me
great performance. The airplane will be at Broadhead this summer so if any
of you are interested drop by and get a ride or just take a look.
Duane Woolsey NX6398
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| Subject: | Aileron trimming |
Dear Group,
I think I deleted the mail before I could respond to it, but I'd
like to seeing that no one else has. In reguard to the aileron trimming,
it seems like a good idea if it indeed DOES hang down past the trailing
edge of the wing into the slipstream. I wasn't aware this was a design
quirk of the Piet. If everyone has been flying fine with it all these
years, then I see no need to worry about it. I haven't studied the only
Piet that I HAVE seen so I can only imagine what you are describing. I
seem like the kind of guy that would offer himself as a lab rat to this
kind of alteration, so I say go for it......so I won't have to. (grin)
I'd like to hear from some people that probably already know the answer
to this question. Also, wash-out.......or wash-in, (I don't know which)
can anyone educate me on this in reguard to the Piet? I am a quick
learner.
Thanks, All
Dannymac
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| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
>Dear Group,
>
>I awoke this morning with ribs 8 and 9 dry in their jigs. I had to play
>locksmith all day all the while wishing to play wood-worm. You all are
>an inspiration. (Sniffle-choke) I love you guys.
>
>Dannymac
Danny- Stop it you're making me get all sentimental:)) Ahhh, the good
old days of going to bed with my hands smelling like vinegar (it takes off
T-88 from your hands), finding dried epoxy in my hair during the morning
shower,
stepping on little brass nails at 2 am (**&(
&*%
%$
&*&*)....ah, the things
we do to fly our own creations. (ps- worth every minute of it too)
Mike C.
Dear Group,
I awoke this morning with ribs 8 and 9 dry in their jigs. I had to
play
locksmith all day all the while wishing to play wood-worm. You all
are
an inspiration. (Sniffle-choke) I love you guys.
Dannymac
Danny- Stop it you're making me get all sentimental:))
Ahhh, the good
old days of going to bed with my hands smelling like vinegar (it
takes off
T-88 from your hands), finding dried epoxy in my hair during the
morning shower,
stepping on little brass nails at 2 am
(**(
*%
%$
**)....ah, the things
we do to fly our own creations. (ps- worth every minute of it
too)
Mike C.
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| From: | John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com> |
Well It looks like the Boss won't give me the time off to go to
Broadhead. I am so depressed! I have been realy looking foward to
meeting all of you guys, and Seeing your planes. Wish I could be there
with all of you. Well I will keep my fingers crossed for next year.
John Duprey
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| From: | "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC" |
| Subject: | Re: FW: Corvair Piet. |
"'Piet. Discussion Group'"
Nah I won't give up. I took the left bank off last night. I was a piston
melt down along the edge. It happened where I moved this odd-ball spark
plug. I now suspect it is a hot plug. Brian tried to find the spec for it
but found no reference. I'm in the process of ordering a new piston from
Clark's. I also think it is still running too lean. Brian can modify the
carb for me. I wonder how much power I would loose if I derated the
compression ? Just got off the phone with Brian he calculated the
compression at 8.7 with is good, I could then use auto fuel in a pinch.
Peter as you know is selling his Piet. For $13.K Canadian with an O-200
Continental. By the end of July I will have access to an O-235 for $5.K with
only 100 Hrs. after a Major. I'm seriously thinking about it. That cheap
with the U.S Dollar and it's a good performer.
My oil temp. was only 170 degrees before the meltdown( the temp sensor is in
the oil pan which is not indicative of the real temp. , probably closer to
200 Degrees) then everything happened very fast. I was lucky to get back to
the airport. I hate filling out paperwork for the TSB. I wonder if my heads
are getting too hot, I'll have to install a cyl. head temp gage. Could it be
my pressure cowl is not working and I should return thte original fan. I
hate to do that since I would loose my starter in the process as well as the
alternator. Why would the cooling work for for aircraft engines and not the
corvair. I do have a gap I need to close with rubber. I won't push anymore
I'm almost there, too bad it has to be by trial and error.
You will be missed if you don't come. See in Brussels...it's only once a
year and it's the 70th. I've made 24 special anniv. mugs with my airplane on
it. I'll be bringing them to Brussels.
----------
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Corvair Piet. |
Dom!
Sorry about your latest "trial and tribulation". You have more
desire than I do as you keep at it. I have all but stopped construction,
of course been busy too. Earl is trying to talk me into buying a Piet so
I can learn to fly it well, fly to WI for the 70th and then finish mine.
Plans are still incomplete for this weekend. We still have lots of
things to accomplish in prep for our boys' Eagle Scout ceremony next
Friday so may have to stay home.
I'd like to be in Brussels among Piet friends so we'll see.
Thanks for forwarding the message to me personally as I have
unsubscribed the Piet list. I just couldn't take what some are proposing
to do to my favorite little plane. Aluminum spars, spliced longerons,
plywood ribs...just too much for me. The "Martin Fairwind" was the last
straw. I sent some personal replies to Dannymack (whoever he is) and he
still persists in changing everything and still expects to fly it to OSH
next year. More power to him if he can pull it off but I won't be part
of it.
Have fun, and don't give up!
Tom
__________
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| From: | mboynton(at)excite.com |
| Subject: | Re: Calling Corvair Piet. owners |
Domenic,
Bob Schiffel, of Sussex, NJ, is running a Rinker PSRU'ed Corvair in his Piet
(973-875-1412). He replied to me in a letter and said he would be glad to
help. He was assisted with his installation by Dick Lawson (973-383-7821).
I believe Jim VanDeVoort is running one too (don't have his number, but
Grant McClaren may). Jack McKinney (I'll have to get you his number), here
in Arizona, is running a corvair in a Baby Ace he has almost finished. Jack
built a Piet and flew it from Arizona to Oshkosh - it was Ford powered.
Mark Boynton
Gilbert, Arizona
> Who on the list has a successful Corvair powered PieT. ?
> I need to talk to you, my dime.
> Domenic
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| Subject: | Re: Broadhead Blues |
John Duprey wrote:
>
> Well It looks like the Boss won't give me the time off to go to
> Broadhead. I am so depressed! I have been realy looking foward to
> meeting all of you guys, and Seeing your planes. Wish I could be there
> with all of you. Well I will keep my fingers crossed for next year.
>
> John Duprey
Just post his phone number John, We'll straighten him out!
Dannymac
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
I thought Scottish Whiskey took T-88 off me finners. Didn't know abnout
vinigar, don't think that would tasye good, no?
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov>
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: (no subject)
>Dear Group,
>
>I awoke this morning with ribs 8 and 9 dry in their jigs. I had to
play
>locksmith all day all the while wishing to play wood-worm. You all
are
>an inspiration. (Sniffle-choke) I love you guys.
>
>Dannymac
Danny- Stop it you're making me get all sentimental:)) Ahhh, the
good
old days of going to bed with my hands smelling like vinegar (it
takes off
T-88 from your hands), finding dried epoxy in my hair during the
morning shower,
stepping on little brass nails at 2 am (**&(
&*%
%$
&*&*)....ah,
the things
we do to fly our own creations. (ps- worth every minute of it too)
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ron Beasley <ronbeasley(at)hotmail.com> |
The one I am looking at is a Piet. It has 8" tires and the owner believes
it weighs a little over 700lbs. The present owner has only flown it 3 or 4
times since he bought it in 97. He is 80 years old and has a tough time
getting in and out of her. He has a friend fly it from time to time. I
talked to his friend, who is a mutual friend of mine come to find out, and
he says that it flys great. Has no bad habits and cruises at 60mph. I was
surprised to hear that it was so slow. I would have thought that it would
fly in the middle 70s range. There is a mechanic at a near by airport that
has been performing all the required maintenance on the plane. I will
continue to use this gents skills until such time I (we) move (wife is still
in the Air Force).
I have to go back and look it over again. I saw the log books but did not
have the time to pick through them like I wanted to. It has a new prop
(don't remember the brand/size) 69hrs on rebuilt engine and carb. Covers
look great. Cabin looks great. It also has hydrolic brakes in the rear
seat. 12 gal tank in the wing and an optional 5 gal for the header (I guess
for cross country flying). I guess the only difference between this and an
ultralight is the weight and engine.
Since the owner has not flown her much perhaps you can tell me what the VnE
is and what is the normal cruise. Can a C-85 be put on the plane to
increase performance.
Sorry to be going on and on. I have alot of questions to get answered
before I invest 10K in such a project. Thanks for your input.
Ron Beasley
Yorktown, VA
>From: Craig Lawler <clawler(at)ptd.net>
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Re: Should I
>Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:42:17 -0500
>
>Ron,
>
>I have a C-65 Peit up in Pa. It's a blast to fly. Is the one your
>looking at a Piet or Grega? What kind of wheels are on it and what does
>it weigh? Do you have a mechanic that will work on the plane for you? Or
>one that will sign off work?
>
>Craig
>
>
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| From: | DonanClara(at)aol.com |
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| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
Sounds like it's worth 10.5K to me. Without looking at it direct.
I have seen several Piets, GN-1s etc. for sale with aircraft engines on
them and they all were asking and I think got 10K - 12.5K.
Of course depending on the engine.
GY
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Beasley <ronbeasley(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 8:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Should I
Sorry to be going on and on. I have alot of questions to get answered
>before I invest 10K in such a project. Thanks for your input.
>
>Ron Beasley
>Yorktown, VA
>
>
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| From: | DonanClara(at)aol.com |
Ron Beasley and group
Sorry I may have goofed trying to reply and sent a useless message adding
clutter to your mail. I'll try to do it right this time.
Ron, I have read the replies to your question on buying the Piet with
interest. All of the advice is good. Perhaps my scrounging skills need honing
or I could be more frugal but I have over 10 G in my 'A' powered Piet and
still have fabric and paint to go. All you have to do to see what is
happening to a/c prices is read the latest Trade-A-Plane. You can't live in
the past. Who would have dreamed that a J-3 would sell for the megabucks they
do today. All planes will continue to go up in price for the foreseeable
future. The gang is right...if the plane you mention is in good flying
condition a price of 10.5 is not unreasonable. Good Luck!
Don Hicks
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| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
Ron- I'm wondering if that 60 cruise speed might be a
calibration error or real. You should get about 75 mph out
of a healthy, well rigged, straight Pietenpol w/ a 65 Continental.
The other aspects of the plane sound pretty good. It will be
a fun plane I'm sure......just ask new owner Robert Hensarling
with his GN-1. He sure has killed lots of bugs since buying that thing !
Mike C.
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| From: | Craig Lawler <clawler(at)ptd.net> |
x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"
Ron,
Sounds like a nice plane. I'm getting about 65 mph out of my C-65 at
1900 rpm. Empty weight is 635. Performance isn't a big issue if they
stuck to the plans. Could just need a different prop. $$$$ Interesting
that the guy isn't more precise about weight & balance. Kind of an
important item to be casual about. How is the workmanship? How come the
owner isn't doing his own maintenance? Must not be the builder? I'd have
a long talk with the mechanic about continuing to sign logs for work
that you do. I've run into a couple people where this was a major
problem. Liability I guess.
Craig
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| From: | Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: Corvair Piet. |
Thomas:
Are you running a CHT and EGTs? The CHT should clue you in about
hot cylinders. High heat range plugs hold heat which results in
pre-ignition. Pre-ignition is generally heard as pinging, and usually
results in broken piston ring lands and often broken rings. A melted
/ burned piston is not a sign of this as a rule, but rather of very
high cylinder temps caused by lean mixture or poor engine cooling or
both.
One of the more attractive options for fuel control is the home
brew EFI system you can build based on the Swag Aero plans. With EFI
your mixture is balanced between cylinders. These are based on the
Geo control unit, and the adaptation involves selecting the proper
injector based on flow, and adjusting the fuel pressure. EFI is not
nearly as complex as many people believe, and it is easy to rig a
cockpit mixture adjustment. The fuel distribution is always uniform.
This system can easily be adapted to most any engine and is
dependable.
I hate to see you give up on the Corvair engine, but I personally
-----Original Message-----
From: BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC
Date: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 6:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FW: Corvair Piet.
>Nah I won't give up. I took the left bank off last night. I was a
piston
>melt down along the edge. It happened where I moved this odd-ball
spark
>plug. I now suspect it is a hot plug. Brian tried to find the spec
for it
>but found no reference. I'm in the process of ordering a new piston
from
>Clark's. I also think it is still running too lean. Brian can modify
the
>carb for me. I wonder how much power I would loose if I derated the
>compression ? Just got off the phone with Brian he calculated the
>compression at 8.7 with is good, I could then use auto fuel in a
pinch.
>
> Peter as you know is selling his Piet. For $13.K Canadian with an
O-200
>Continental. By the end of July I will have access to an O-235 for
$5.K with
>only 100 Hrs. after a Major. I'm seriously thinking about it. That
cheap
>with the U.S Dollar and it's a good performer.
>
>My oil temp. was only 170 degrees before the meltdown( the temp
sensor is in
>the oil pan which is not indicative of the real temp. , probably
closer to
>200 Degrees) then everything happened very fast. I was lucky to get
back to
>the airport. I hate filling out paperwork for the TSB. I wonder if my
heads
>are getting too hot, I'll have to install a cyl. head temp gage.
Could it be
>my pressure cowl is not working and I should return thte original
fan. I
>hate to do that since I would loose my starter in the process as well
as the
>alternator. Why would the cooling work for for aircraft engines and
not the
>corvair. I do have a gap I need to close with rubber. I won't push
anymore
>I'm almost there, too bad it has to be by trial and error.
>
>You will be missed if you don't come. See in Brussels...it's only
once a
>year and it's the 70th. I've made 24 special anniv. mugs with my
airplane on
>it. I'll be bringing them to Brussels.
> ----------
>From: Thomas E Bowdler
>To: Bellissimo.Dominic(at)littonlsl.com
>Subject: Re: FW: Corvair Piet.
>Date: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 10:52AM
>
>Dom!
> Sorry about your latest "trial and tribulation". You have more
>desire than I do as you keep at it. I have all but stopped
construction,
>of course been busy too. Earl is trying to talk me into buying a
Piet so
>I can learn to fly it well, fly to WI for the 70th and then finish
mine.
>
> Plans are still incomplete for this weekend. We still have
lots of
>things to accomplish in prep for our boys' Eagle Scout ceremony next
>Friday so may have to stay home.
> I'd like to be in Brussels among Piet friends so we'll see.
> Thanks for forwarding the message to me personally as I have
>unsubscribed the Piet list. I just couldn't take what some are
proposing
>to do to my favorite little plane. Aluminum spars, spliced
longerons,
>plywood ribs...just too much for me. The "Martin Fairwind" was the
last
>straw. I sent some personal replies to Dannymack (whoever he is) and
he
>still persists in changing everything and still expects to fly it to
OSH
>next year. More power to him if he can pull it off but I won't be
part
>of it.
>Have fun, and don't give up!
>Tom
>
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Duane W. called me last night and said that my plane was listing in my
hanger. I went out this morning and found that my drivers side tire was
flat. I guess I didn't come out the winner against the cactus in price.
Two holes. Should be back in the air this afternoon.
Not as bad news as doms's blown pistons, but bummer nun the les.
Steve Eldredge
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| Subject: | Auburn Air Show piets? |
Anyone here on this list going to be bringing their Piet to the Auburn,
Maine Air Show this year (July 3 + 4)? I heard there are going to be at
least 3 there, and I was wondering who they were.
Richard
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| From: | Gary Woodbridge <garywood(at)flash.net> |
So,
I take it your tailwheel tire was flat, that being the drivers side tire in
a tandem aircraft :-}
Gary Woodbridge
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
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