Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-ay
June 30, 1999 - July 12, 1999
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| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 Builder/Flyer list |
-----Original Message-----
From: John Greenlee <jgreenlee(at)morgan.net>
Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 9:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 Builder/Flyer list
Ok, thanks John.
Robert
>I think Mr. Pietenpol did use a 65 Cont. At least I think there is a
>drawing for a motor mount he made.
>
>John
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 9:57 PM
>Subject: Re: GN-1 Builder/Flyer list
>
>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: bwm
>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 7:27 PM
>>Subject: GN-1 Builder/Flyer list
>>
>>Aw Heck Bert, add me to your list. You're not going to let anyone with a
>>real live authenic Pietenpol join the list though are you? This will just
>>be for us renegades won't it? Oh well, either way, it's ok with me. BTW,
>I
>>just have to ask, did Mr. Pietenpol ever use a Continental 65?
>>
>>Seriously, I got in 1.5 hours in the ol GN-1 this evening. Was really
>bumpy
>>and hazey, wasn't the best of enjoyable flying conditions, but did fly non
>>the less. Out of necessity, I'm starting to get rather consistant with
the
>>X-wind landings, since that's all I have down here in South Texas. If
>>you're going to fly anything, you have to cope with the afternoon winds.
>>Maybe it's that way everywhere, but it won't let up here till Autumn.
>>
>>Looks like Brodshead and Oshgosh is out for me this year, maybe next.
Sure
>>wanted to see the guys on the list, and the two girls in the Ford powered
>>Piet in Michael Cuys video!!!
>>
>>Adios,
>>
>>Robert Hensarling
>>http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>>rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>>Uvalde, Texas
>>
>>
>>>Hello all,
>>>
>>>Is any one interested in putting together a list of GN-1
>>>builders/flyers?
>>>If so I'll put the info on my site.
>>>
>>>Not that we don't appreciate our Piet-driving brethren - it's just that
>>>there may be some information specific to our planes that could be
>>>shared through a mailing list, etc.
>>>
>>>Any way, if there's any interest, please let me know...
>>>Personal thanks to Richard for putting up such as nice site - a big
>>>round of applause!!!!
>>>
>>>Bert Conoly
>>>bwm(at)planttel.net
>>>http://www.bwmproductions.com/GN1
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | "William C. Beerman" <wcb(at)bbt.com> |
| Subject: | Metal bending press |
Thanks to the graciousness of Mr. DeCosta, I have been able to post a few pics
of the metal bending press I built at "http://www.AirCamper.org/users/beerman".
Plese feel free to look at and criticize. It was cheap to build (my steel
came from a local scrapyard), and I'm able to put decent bends in 4 1/2"
wide x 0.90" 4130 (for my rudder / elevator hinge blanks). Everything was
MIG welded except for the bronze bushings, which I brazed. Maybe some
day I'll even sandblast and paint it so it ain't quite so ugly. Meanwhile,
on with the Pietenpol building!
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| From: | Jim Sury <jimsury(at)fbtc.net> |
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 Builder/Flyer list |
I think a GN-1 group would be worth the effort. This was tried before and
seem as though no one responds. Put me down. jas
>Hello all,
>
>Is any one interested in putting together a list of GN-1
>builders/flyers?
>If so I'll put the info on my site.
>
>Not that we don't appreciate our Piet-driving brethren - it's just that
>there may be some information specific to our planes that could be
>shared through a mailing list, etc.
>
>Any way, if there's any interest, please let me know...
>Personal thanks to Richard for putting up such as nice site - a big
>round of applause!!!!
>
>Bert Conoly
>bwm(at)planttel.net
>http://www.bwmproductions.com/GN1
>
>
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| From: | Jim Sury <jimsury(at)fbtc.net> |
Believe me I thought the same thing when I ordered 3/4 inch.cords. Had to
use two on each side. Just because you can't bend it doesn/t mean it is too
heavy. jas
>Hi Guys--I am building an air camper, cont. 65 engine (I ordered a set of
the
>mags, thanks!), all wood construction. Have built steel tubing landing
>gear--according to the plans I need 5/8 diameter shock cords. Seems
awfullly
>stiff to me, what have you been using? Thanks, Bud Cooley
>
>
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| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Metal bending press |
The correction to the address is
http://www.aircamper.org/users/beerman/
And here are the links to the individual pictures.
http://www.aircamper.org/users/beerman/bender_close.jpg
http://www.aircamper.org/users/beerman/bender_frt.jpg
http://www.aircamper.org/users/beerman/bender_top.jpg
Thanks William, this is going to be my project this weekend...
Greg Yotz
PS The posted address had an extra character at the end
-----Original Message-----
From: William C. Beerman <wcb(at)bbt.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 12:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal bending press
>Thanks to the graciousness of Mr. DeCosta, I have been able to post a few
pics
>of the metal bending press I built at
"http://www.AirCamper.org/users/beerman".
>Plese feel free to look at and criticize. It was cheap to build (my steel
>came from a local scrapyard), and I'm able to put decent bends in 4 1/2"
>wide x 0.90" 4130 (for my rudder / elevator hinge blanks). Everything was
>MIG welded except for the bronze bushings, which I brazed. Maybe some
>day I'll even sandblast and paint it so it ain't quite so ugly. Meanwhile,
>on with the Pietenpol building!
>
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| From: | Ron Beasley <ronbeasley(at)hotmail.com> |
Try this:
http://home.att.net/~alanhall1/
>From: Camera Man
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Re: Pictures
>Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 06:42:38 -0700
>
>Hello
>Can you check that url, didn't work for me.
>Mike Madrid
>http://www.thegrid.net/camera-man/index.htm
>
> >Yesturday, I posted a 92 Piet that is for sale. Well, today I found out
> >that pictures of it are available at the local ultra-light club web site.
> >Log on to: http://home.att.net/~alanhall1.htm and click on the
>classified
> >link. It is the last item on the list. Good luck.
> >
> >Ron
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Metal bending press |
isn't that 20 ton a little overkill?
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| Subject: | Re: RIB TRAILING EDGE |
I saw one guy use biscuits with a biscuit cutter. this work very nice and
aligned the trailing edge...
"Cushway, Mike" wrote:
> Group,
> Any tips for the trailing edge design on the wing ribs? I see two
> options listed on the plans.
> Have any of you done anything different that worked out well?
>
> Mike Cushway
> Mfg. Engineering
>
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| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 Builder/Flyer list |
Since a GN-1 is an offshot or close sibling of the Pietenpol, I don't really
think there is such a thing as a "pure Pietenpol" unless it was built by
Bernard himself, wouldn't we just be duplicating what we have now?
I belong to another list re: MG TC's and am getting annoyed at the silly
nitpicking going on about originality etc. I have really enjoyed the open
attitude of this disscussion list.
I am not building a "Pietenpol", mine is a GN-1 that is becoming more
"Piet" like as I go. It seems as in any of these tech lists there are those
who stick exactly to the plans and the rest of us. If no one ever
experimented with the things we wouldn't even have Piets or GN-1s. Lets just
keep this list friendly and imformative. It might be handy though if we
signed off our messages with the variant we are working on.
I guess that would make mine a , McNarry/GN-1/Pietenpol/Cirrus/de Havilland.
;-)
See you at the reunion?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Sury <jimsury(at)fbtc.net>
Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 1:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 Builder/Flyer list
>
>I think a GN-1 group would be worth the effort. This was tried before and
>seem as though no one responds. Put me down. jas
>
>
>>Hello all,
>>
>>Is any one interested in putting together a list of GN-1
>>builders/flyers?
>>If so I'll put the info on my site.
>>
>>Not that we don't appreciate our Piet-driving brethren - it's just that
>>there may be some information specific to our planes that could be
>>shared through a mailing list, etc.
>>
>>Any way, if there's any interest, please let me know...
>>Personal thanks to Richard for putting up such as nice site - a big
>>round of applause!!!!
>>
>>Bert Conoly
>>bwm(at)planttel.net
>>http://www.bwmproductions.com/GN1
>>
>>
>
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| From: | SAM & JAN MARINUCCI |
| Subject: | Re: Metal bending press |
Bill,
Thanks for the pictures and info on the press , that's my next project.
Incidently, it aint ugly, for the little it costs to make, I think it's
beautiful. And that 20 ton jack looks ok too.
-----Original Message-----
From: William C. Beerman <wcb(at)bbt.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 1:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal bending press
>Thanks to the graciousness of Mr. DeCosta, I have been able to post a few
pics
>of the metal bending press I built at
"http://www.AirCamper.org/users/beerman".
>Plese feel free to look at and criticize. It was cheap to build (my steel
>came from a local scrapyard), and I'm able to put decent bends in 4 1/2"
>wide x 0.90" 4130 (for my rudder / elevator hinge blanks). Everything was
>MIG welded except for the bronze bushings, which I brazed. Maybe some
>day I'll even sandblast and paint it so it ain't quite so ugly. Meanwhile,
>on with the Pietenpol building!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: $15.00 MAG WILL WORK |
-----Original Message-----
From: Dlwoolsey(at)aol.com
Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 7:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: $15.00 MAG WILL WORK
>Hello list,
>I am sorry to be posting this to the whole group but I lost the address of
>the person who sent the question on my instalation of the EA-81 in my piet.
>I believe it was the Hansens. I guess that what I am trying to say is that
>the person who asked about the EA-81 in my Piet please re-e-mail me.
>
>Duane NX6398
>
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| Subject: | EA81 installation |
Duane,
I am interested in your EA81 powered Piet.
Brian Sanders bksflyer(at)paonline.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Dlwoolsey(at)aol.com
Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 7:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: $15.00 MAG WILL WORK
>Hello list,
>I am sorry to be posting this to the whole group but I lost the address of
>the person who sent the question on my instalation of the EA-81 in my piet.
>I believe it was the Hansens. I guess that what I am trying to say is that
>the person who asked about the EA-81 in my Piet please re-e-mail me.
>
>Duane NX6398
>
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| From: | mike cushway <mcushway(at)gdinet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 Builder/Flyer list |
I'll second John's comments! One of the reasons that I got soured on tractors
was the constant harassment by the self appointed CORRECT POLICE.
Most of which hadn't a clue what they repeating. Keep it fun! I am incorporating
several minor refinements that I KNOW will result in a better aircraft.
I'll bet that if Bernard were to look at several of the planes that you guys
have built,
he would be duly impressed!
John McNarry wrote:
> Since a GN-1 is an offshot or close sibling of the Pietenpol, I don't really
> think there is such a thing as a "pure Pietenpol" unless it was built by
> Bernard himself, wouldn't we just be duplicating what we have now?
> I belong to another list re: MG TC's and am getting annoyed at the silly
> nitpicking going on about originality etc. I have really enjoyed the open
> attitude of this disscussion list.
> I am not building a "Pietenpol", mine is a GN-1 that is becoming more
> "Piet" like as I go. It seems as in any of these tech lists there are those
> who stick exactly to the plans and the rest of us. If no one ever
> experimented with the things we wouldn't even have Piets or GN-1s. Lets just
> keep this list friendly and imformative. It might be handy though if we
> signed off our messages with the variant we are working on.
>
> I guess that would make mine a , McNarry/GN-1/Pietenpol/Cirrus/de Havilland.
> ;-)
>
> See you at the reunion?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Sury <jimsury(at)fbtc.net>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 1:33 PM
> Subject: Re: GN-1 Builder/Flyer list
>
> >
> >I think a GN-1 group would be worth the effort. This was tried before and
> >seem as though no one responds. Put me down. jas
> >
> >
> >>Hello all,
> >>
> >>Is any one interested in putting together a list of GN-1
> >>builders/flyers?
> >>If so I'll put the info on my site.
> >>
> >>Not that we don't appreciate our Piet-driving brethren - it's just that
> >>there may be some information specific to our planes that could be
> >>shared through a mailing list, etc.
> >>
> >>Any way, if there's any interest, please let me know...
> >>Personal thanks to Richard for putting up such as nice site - a big
> >>round of applause!!!!
> >>
> >>Bert Conoly
> >>bwm(at)planttel.net
> >>http://www.bwmproductions.com/GN1
> >>
> >>
> >
I'll second John's comments! One of the reasons that I got soured on tractors
was the constant harassment by the self appointed CORRECT POLICE.
Most of which hadn't a clue what they repeating. Keep it fun! I am
incorporating
several minor refinements that I KNOW will result in a better
aircraft.
I'll bet that if Bernard were to look at several of the planes that
you guys have built,
he would be duly impressed!
John McNarry wrote:
Since a GN-1 is an offshot or close sibling of the
Pietenpol, I don't really
think there is such a thing as a "pure Pietenpol" unless it was built
by
Bernard himself, wouldn't we just be duplicating what we have now?
I belong to another list re: MG TC's and am getting annoyed at the
silly
nitpicking going on about originality etc. I have really enjoyed the
open
attitude of this disscussion list.
I am not building a "Pietenpol", mine is a GN-1 that is
becoming more
"Piet" like as I go. It seems as in any of these tech lists there are
those
who stick exactly to the plans and the rest of us. If no one
ever
experimented with the things we wouldn't even have Piets or GN-1s.
Lets just
keep this list friendly and imformative. It might be handy though
if we
signed off our messages with the variant we are working on.
I guess that would make mine a , McNarry/GN-1/Pietenpol/Cirrus/de Havilland.
;-)
See you at the reunion?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Sury jimsury(at)fbtc.net>
To: Pietenpol Discussion piet(at)byu.edu>
Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 1:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 Builder/Flyer list
>
>I think a GN-1 group would be worth the effort. This was tried before
and
>seem as though no one responds. Put me down. jas
>
>
>>Hello all,
>>
>>Is any one interested in putting together a list of GN-1
>>builders/flyers?
>>If so I'll put the info on my site.
>>
>>Not that we don't appreciate our Piet-driving brethren - it's just
that
>>there may be some information specific to our planes that could be
>>shared through a mailing list, etc.
>>
>>Any way, if there's any interest, please let me know...
>>Personal thanks to Richard for putting up such as nice site - a big
>>round of applause!!!!
>>
>>Bert Conoly
>>bwm(at)planttel.net
>>http://www.bwmproductions.com/GN1
>>
>>
>
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| From: | Ted Brousseau <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 Builder/Flyer list |
Bert,
You can add me to your list. I hate to miss out on anything.
But, I have to tell you, I won't be leaving this here "Authentic" Pietenpol
list. I guess I am like the ugly duckling. I never realized I didn't fly
in a Pietenpol aircraft until I heard about it here.
So, you see why I don't want to leave this list. I might miss something
important. Besides, I have met too many nice people here and it doesn't
bother me a bit that they fly Pietenpols.
Ted
Naples, FL
GN-1 "PartPiet"
>Alright! Robert you're number two (besides me). Sounds like a
>revolution happening! It's just like a family picnic, we're all just
>one big ole family! Pass that potato(e) salad please....
>
>No really, guys, all in fun!!! Heck some of my best friends ride Piets
>
>:)
>
>
>Well Robert at least your aircamper was in the air. Mine would need to
>sprout floats or a hull. That Gulf effect is killing the panhandle
>right now - 94 degrees today with 97 % RH and big, bad thunderstorms
>bringin in about two inches today.
>
>Aaah but some of ya'll have Broadhead to look for. I hear it's usually
>nice and dry, and cool up there. Somebody send me a postcard. One of
>these days I'll make it up there.
>
>Keep up the good work on those x-wind landings - dont need any loops in
>your roll out.
>
>Cheers, Bert
>
>
>robert hensarling wrote:
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bwm
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 7:27 PM
>> Subject: GN-1 Builder/Flyer list
>>
>> Aw Heck Bert, add me to your list. You're not going to let anyone with a
>> real live authenic Pietenpol join the list though are you? This will just
>> be for us renegades won't it? Oh well, either way, it's ok with me. BTW, I
>> just have to ask, did Mr. Pietenpol ever use a Continental 65?
>>
>> Seriously, I got in 1.5 hours in the ol GN-1 this evening. Was really bumpy
>> and hazey, wasn't the best of enjoyable flying conditions, but did fly non
>> the less. Out of necessity, I'm starting to get rather consistant with the
>> X-wind landings, since that's all I have down here in South Texas. If
>> you're going to fly anything, you have to cope with the afternoon winds.
>> Maybe it's that way everywhere, but it won't let up here till Autumn.
>>
>> Looks like Brodshead and Oshgosh is out for me this year, maybe next. Sure
>> wanted to see the guys on the list, and the two girls in the Ford powered
>> Piet in Michael Cuys video!!!
>>
>> Adios,
>>
>> Robert Hensarling
>> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>> Uvalde, Texas
>>
>> >Hello all,
>> >
>> >Is any one interested in putting together a list of GN-1
>> >builders/flyers?
>> >If so I'll put the info on my site.
>> >
>> >Not that we don't appreciate our Piet-driving brethren - it's just that
>> >there may be some information specific to our planes that could be
>> >shared through a mailing list, etc.
>> >
>> >Any way, if there's any interest, please let me know...
>> >Personal thanks to Richard for putting up such as nice site - a big
>> >round of applause!!!!
>> >
>> >Bert Conoly
>> >bwm(at)planttel.net
>> >http://www.bwmproductions.com/GN1
>> >
>
>
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| From: | Ted Brousseau <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
AWWW come on Robert, back off. In this PC world we live in you know it is
not in good form to discriminate. You shouldn't be picking on these poor
Pietenpol flyers just because they have an older designed airplane. They
are proud of it and we should be too!! ;-)
Ted
>
> Grant and
>>I are accountable to EAA for reporting how many Piets we will need parking
>>space for>Mike Cuy
>
>
>Oh well, I have a GN-1 anyway, so you didn't have a spot of me :o)
>RH
>
>
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| From: | Replicraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | GN-1 Builder/Flyer list |
Bert
Add me too!!! Only had 87 e-mails to go through tonight, whats one more list?
Steve
Replicraft Aviation
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| From: | Ted Brousseau <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 Builder/Flyer list |
Bert,
Look at that statement. It doesn't make any sense what so ever. Words like
"Comraderie", UF, FSU, U of GA, common interests. I didn't think any two of
them could be used in one sentence.... ;-)
Ted
>4) Comraderie (sp?). I went to the University of Georgia, I work
>with a bunch of UF and FSU grads. Its fun to get with a group of people
>with common interests.
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 Builder/Flyer list |
Ted Brousseau wrote:
>
> Bert,
>
> Look at that statement. It doesn't make any sense what so ever. Words like
> "Comraderie", UF, FSU, U of GA, common interests. I didn't think any two of
> them could be used in one sentence.... ;-)
>
> Ted
>
>
> >4) Comraderie (sp?). I went to the University of Georgia, I work
> >with a bunch of UF and FSU grads. Its fun to get with a group of people
> >with common interests.
Not only that but it's probably spelled wrong! ;>o (Go Dogs!)
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| Subject: | Re: RIB TRAILING EDGE |
THIS IS A GOOD IDEA!
-----Original Message-----
From: David Atnip <davida@mo-net.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 7:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: RIB TRAILING EDGE
>I saw one guy use biscuits with a biscuit cutter. this work very nice and
>aligned the trailing edge...
>
>"Cushway, Mike" wrote:
>
>> Group,
>> Any tips for the trailing edge design on the wing ribs? I see two
>> options listed on the plans.
>> Have any of you done anything different that worked out well?
>>
>> Mike Cushway
>> Mfg. Engineering
>>
>
>
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| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
John Mc N. wrote about the nit-picking that goes on in other
lists about originality. Fortunately, we have a good group
here about Piets, GN-1's etc. but you'll always run across an
individual who claims something to not be original Pietenpol.
If Bernard were on this list today he'd probably laugh if anyone
tried to 'pin down' what an original Pietenpol configuration would
be. There was a chronological lineage of 26 planes Bernard built
with none being exactly the same. How cool- the guy never just
got in a rut and always tried new engines, props, landing gears,
and even had a tailwheel and radio in one of them. Imagine that !
That's what is so much fun about seeing the various Piets, GN-1's at
Brodhead, elsewhere, because we can pick up ideas and
methods tried and incorporated by dozens of other creative builders and
use whatever suits us in our planes. Neat.
Mike C.
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| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 Builder/Flyer list/oops! |
-----Original Message-----
From: jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Originality
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 09:08:48 -0600
Right on!
J Mc
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov>
Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 5:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Originality
>John Mc N. wrote about the nit-picking that goes on in other
>lists about originality. Fortunately, we have a good group
>here about Piets, GN-1's etc. but you'll always run across an
>individual who claims something to not be original Pietenpol.
>If Bernard were on this list today he'd probably laugh if anyone
>tried to 'pin down' what an original Pietenpol configuration would
>be. There was a chronological lineage of 26 planes Bernard built
>with none being exactly the same. How cool- the guy never just
>got in a rut and always tried new engines, props, landing gears,
>and even had a tailwheel and radio in one of them. Imagine that !
>That's what is so much fun about seeing the various Piets, GN-1's at
>Brodhead, elsewhere, because we can pick up ideas and
>methods tried and incorporated by dozens of other creative builders and
>use whatever suits us in our planes. Neat.
>
>Mike C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Mike Cuy -A great Guy- |
Mike,
Duane and I just got our *pre-Stamped!* postcards from you for the NORAD
NOTAMs. Thanks for your work and enthusiasm for this trip. It is
motivating. Just wanted to drop a note and say thanks. Duane and I broke
out the charts and took a first stab at our trip plan last night. We will
be leaving here bright and early in exactly 3 weeks! Can't wait!
Steve Eldredge
Provo UT>
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| From: | John Greenlee <jgreenlee(at)morgan.net> |
Mike,
Well said. For example, BHP built three scouts (I think). As far as I
know, only the first one is like the drawings. The A scouts are different
dimensions!
An observation: One of the neat things about the Piet is that it draws a
following from a relatively diverse bunch of airplane people. I think they
fall into two broad groups: 1. Experimental aircraft people -- the
original EAA types. These are the ones more apt to modify, modify, modify,
and experiment. 2. Antique aircraft people. These are more likely to
build close to the plans and stick closer to old techniques. I think both
of these approaches are legitimate.
When I first became interested in building a Piet, I viewed it more from the
eyes of the first group mentioned. The Piet offered a cheap affordable safe
airplane. Now, 7 years later as my ship nears completion, I find myself
more in the second group. And still, I see the Piet as the poor man's
antique airplane -- Classic styling, antique obselete power plant, open
cockpit primitive aviation, etc. I was once offered a chance to buy a Waco
QCF-2 (an ultimate airplane), in fact the prototype QCF-2 ..... for
$250,000.00. I guarantee you I can have 90% of the fun (maybe much more as
the value of the Waco introduces more worries) for less than 4% of the
acquisition cost and for probably 15-20% of the operating cost.
I digress. At any rate, I think some of the concern some have about
modifications is the highly modified machines around that are called
'Pietenpols'. If they exhibit poor characteristics due to the
modifications, it is probably not fair to BHP to hang his name on the
creation. I understand this thinking. It is interesting to note that
builders who build more than one Piet appear to follow the plans more
closely with each succeeding ship and push for less modifications. BHP was
apparantly a clever person who worked a lot of things out that are not
obvious. It is said that it is rare for a builder to make any real
improvements to a Piet though he may make many changes. This is probably
true.
As for my own humble opinion: Build whatever you are happy with as long as
it is safe, and have as much fun with this as you can. As for me, I am more
interested in a authentic plans-built antique.
If you have read this far, you have the patience of Job. One last thought:
The Piet vs GN-1 controversy probably centers more around Mr. Grega
originally marketing his plans as 'Pietenpol' plans than anything else. I
have read that people purchased them and built airplanes not realizing they
were something other than a Pietenpol. I am probably not qualified to say
whether the Piet is superior to the GN-1 or vice versa (I do have my
opinion, but that's another story....) but I can say they are definitely
very different airplanes from each other. Its a shame if the above
mentioned controversy creates bad blood between the owners of each type.
Hope there is some cohereance in the foregoing chatter.
JMG
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov>
Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 6:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Originality
>John Mc N. wrote about the nit-picking that goes on in other
>lists about originality. Fortunately, we have a good group
>here about Piets, GN-1's etc. but you'll always run across an
>individual who claims something to not be original Pietenpol.
>If Bernard were on this list today he'd probably laugh if anyone
>tried to 'pin down' what an original Pietenpol configuration would
>be. There was a chronological lineage of 26 planes Bernard built
>with none being exactly the same. How cool- the guy never just
>got in a rut and always tried new engines, props, landing gears,
>and even had a tailwheel and radio in one of them. Imagine that !
>That's what is so much fun about seeing the various Piets, GN-1's at
>Brodhead, elsewhere, because we can pick up ideas and
>methods tried and incorporated by dozens of other creative builders and
>use whatever suits us in our planes. Neat.
>
>Mike C.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Mike Cuy -A great Guy- |
Thanks Steve, You're not so bad yourself :)) !!!
I appreciate you two intrepid aviators taking the time and making the
effort to join us. It will be the adventure of your lifetime.
I hope they send you guys the free FAA video too about the various
arrival and departure procedures for osh. It REALLY put my mind at
ease last year when I made my first trip into the big show.
Glad you rec'd your cards !
Mike Cuy !!
>Mike,
>
>Duane and I just got our *pre-Stamped!* postcards from you for the NORAD
>NOTAMs. Thanks for your work and enthusiasm for this trip. It is
>motivating. Just wanted to drop a note and say thanks. Duane and I broke
>out the charts and took a first stab at our trip plan last night. We will
>be leaving here bright and early in exactly 3 weeks! Can't wait!
>
>
>Steve Eldredge
>Provo UT>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
For those interested in the embroidered piet hats, I am putting together the
last order before OSH, and B-head. If you want one in time for the big
event check out http://www.aircamper.org/users/Stevee/
Please specify color, Green, Black, and now Blue!
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | lolata <lolata(at)sercomtel.com.br> |
Hi Guys
Has anyone ever seen or built a Piet wing with type "box" spars ?
Luis Lolata
lolata(at)sercomtel.com.br
www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/1227
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Patcoolnet(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Another shock cord question |
Thanks Steve E. and Jim S. for the replys--I bought shock cord footage (as
opposed to bungee cord) to make my shock cords for my air camper. Got the
material from Air Craft Spruce, but they don't sell fasteners for the 5/8"
cord. I need to know what type of fasterner system you use and a source for
them. Upholstery Rings, Hog Rings, wind with wire, what to do? Thanks, Bud
Cooley
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Another shock cord question |
I suppose there is a prettier solution, but I just cut, taped the ends and
then stretched them to full tension, made a loop at each end, and bound it
with safety wire.
I think I used 5'6" finished length. (unstretched)
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Patcoolnet(at)aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 12:23 PM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Another shock cord question
>
>
> Thanks Steve E. and Jim S. for the replys--I bought shock
> cord footage (as
> opposed to bungee cord) to make my shock cords for my air
> camper. Got the
> material from Air Craft Spruce, but they don't sell fasteners
> for the 5/8"
> cord. I need to know what type of fasterner system you use
> and a source for
> them. Upholstery Rings, Hog Rings, wind with wire, what to
> do? Thanks, Bud
> Cooley
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Sury <jimsury(at)fbtc.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Another shock cord question |
I guess I didn't understand the question the first time around. I used the
rings and they were bought at Aircraft Spruce. I didn't have to do any
wrapping. I thought that these rings were so stiff that one would do the
trick. Wrong. The gear wanted to do the splits with any load in it. Sure
was a job getting those rings streched. Good luck on your project. jas
>Thanks Steve E. and Jim S. for the replys--I bought shock cord footage (as
>opposed to bungee cord) to make my shock cords for my air camper. Got the
>material from Air Craft Spruce, but they don't sell fasteners for the 5/8"
>cord. I need to know what type of fasterner system you use and a source for
>them. Upholstery Rings, Hog Rings, wind with wire, what to do? Thanks,
Bud
>Cooley
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | SAM & JAN MARINUCCI |
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 Builder/Flyer list |
Come on Ted, lighten up!
-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Brousseau <nfn00979(at)naples.net>
Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 10:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 Builder/Flyer list
>Bert,
>
>Look at that statement. It doesn't make any sense what so ever. Words
like
>"Comraderie", UF, FSU, U of GA, common interests. I didn't think any two
of
>them could be used in one sentence.... ;-)
>
>Ted
>
>
>>4) Comraderie (sp?). I went to the University of Georgia, I work
>>with a bunch of UF and FSU grads. Its fun to get with a group of people
>>with common interests.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: GN-1 Builder/Flyer list |
You must have missed the smily at the end of his post.
We are light!
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Behalf Of SAM
> & JAN MARINUCCI
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 3:21 PM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: GN-1 Builder/Flyer list
>
>
> Come on Ted, lighten up!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ted Brousseau <nfn00979(at)naples.net>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 10:41 PM
> Subject: Re: GN-1 Builder/Flyer list
>
>
> >Bert,
> >
> >Look at that statement. It doesn't make any sense what so
> ever. Words
> like
> >"Comraderie", UF, FSU, U of GA, common interests. I didn't
> think any two
> of
> >them could be used in one sentence.... ;-)
> >
> >Ted
> >
> >
> >>4) Comraderie (sp?). I went to the University of Georgia, I work
> >>with a bunch of UF and FSU grads. Its fun to get with a
> group of people
> >>with common interests.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Craig L.Hanson" <chanson(at)polarcomm.com> |
| Subject: | Carl Ben Eielson |
Hello group,
I have been on this list for sometime now and although I have not
contributed since I am new to building, I have been reading the endless
amount of information that has been given. All the information has been
recorded and filed for later reference. I have started my Piet. and now
presently in the rib building stage. Enough on the building for right
now, you all are now probably wondering about the subject of this
e-mail. Well, even though I have a fascination with the Piet, I also
have a real interest in Carl Ben Eielson. You see I live by Hatton, ND
where Ben was born and I am a member the museum there. This past year I
have put together a traveling exhibit of some of the pictures of Ben and
have been taking it to different fly-ins. Well this year we will be
making the trip to Oshkosh and to Broadhead. Last year I made it to
both and I really enjoyed Broadhead the best. When we roll into
Broadhead on Friday of the gathering I hope some of you would come and
look at the exhibit and talk about Ben and most definitely talk about
Pietenpols. I have allot to learn about them.
Craig & Shari Hanson
Hello group,
I have been on this list for sometime now and
although I have
not contributed since Iam new to building, I have been reading the
endless
amount of information that has been given.All the information has
been
recorded and filed for later reference. I have started my Piet.
and now
presently in the rib building stage.Enough on the building for
right
now, you all arenow probably wondering about the subject of
this
e-mail. Well, even though I have a fascination with thePiet,
I also
have a real interest in Carl Ben Eielson. You see I live by
Hatton, ND
where Ben was born and I am a member the museum there. This past
yearI have put together a traveling exhibit of some of the
pictures of Ben
and have been taking it to different fly-ins. Well this year we
will be
making the trip to Oshkosh and toBroadhead. Last year I made
it to
both and I really enjoyed Broadhead the best. When we roll into
Broadhead
on Friday of the gathering I hope some of you would come and look at the
exhibit
and talk aboutBen and most definitely talk about Pietenpols.
I have
allot to learn about them.
Craig Shari Hanson
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | rod funk <rphunque(at)hotmail.com> |
please unsubscribe me. thanks Rod Funk rphunque(at)hotmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ted Brousseau <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
| Subject: | Re: OSH camping update? |
Mike,
I got the NORAD post card today.
I just ordered the "regular" video yesterday from EAA. Is this one any
different? If it is the same, should I send in the card to get signed up
and just tell them I already have ordered the video? Finally, should I send
in the card if I have a handheld? Does this have something to do with
transponders too?
I see that there is camping but no showers at the field the night before.
No big deal - that is the good thing about these open cockpits...
Ted
________________________________________________________________________________
Sanders Family wrote:
>
> Back on May 15th I think bwm mentioned a Larry Harrison of Bainbridge
> GA who had built a poplar wood Piet. Larry, are you online? does
> anyone have his snailmail address?
Hi
I stumbled up on this old message. Did you ever get Larry's address/tel
number? If not let me know and I'll get it for you/actually go to
http://www.bwmproductions.com/GN1 and it'll be there
Later,
Bert
________________________________________________________________________________
Group:
I received my mags today from army surplus. The flange that fits into
the accessory case is to large dia. to fit into an Cont. case. Also
about the gear, how do you attach the gear?
________________________________________________________________________________
Mike,
I'm with you all the way! Thanx for the ride on the 21st - an
inspiration beyond expression ( I smiled the whole way to Pittsburgh!!!!!!)
To the Piet Group.... I was honored to fly with Mike on 6-21-99, the first
year anniversary of NX488MC taking to the skies (and the summer solstice!).
Mike, again congrats. Well done! Thanx.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov>
Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 7:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Originality
>John Mc N. wrote about the nit-picking that goes on in other
>lists about originality. Fortunately, we have a good group
>here about Piets, GN-1's etc. but you'll always run across an
>individual who claims something to not be original Pietenpol.
>If Bernard were on this list today he'd probably laugh if anyone
>tried to 'pin down' what an original Pietenpol configuration would
>be. There was a chronological lineage of 26 planes Bernard built
>with none being exactly the same. How cool- the guy never just
>got in a rut and always tried new engines, props, landing gears,
>and even had a tailwheel and radio in one of them. Imagine that !
>That's what is so much fun about seeing the various Piets, GN-1's at
>Brodhead, elsewhere, because we can pick up ideas and
>methods tried and incorporated by dozens of other creative builders and
>use whatever suits us in our planes. Neat.
>
>Mike C.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Ragan <lragan(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | William Wynne update |
FYI,
I took the day off today to drive down to Edgewater, Fl. where Wynne
(Corvair Authority) had his enterprise located. I visited him in Dec.
and was impressed in the amount of equipment and knowledge he had on Piets
and Corvairs in particular. When I heard that he was not responding to
requests for info., or sending out copies of his conversion manual, I
thought I'd just go down and find out what I could.
Evidently he moved out of the hanger he was sharing with another av related
business, (these guys had 8 Lancair IV's in one stage of completion or
another) and only left the following forwarding address:
William Wynne
P.O. Box 29802
Port Orange, Fl.
32129 Ph. 500/677-3794
I have the feeling that the guys I talked to knew where he was, but were
protecting him from who knows who. One of them mentioned that he was
possibly in Deland (due west of Daytona Bch) at the airport there. Maybe
one day when I've got nothing better to due (since I can't make
B'head/Oshkosh) I'll cruise down to Deland and look.
It was really a shame, because he seemed to have a real interest in Piets
(maybe even Gregas), and had a ton of 'Vair parts and engines.
In the meantime, what are you guys with Corvairs, doing to convert them?
I'd still like to go that route.
Larry Ragan
Jax, Fl.
P.S. I have a copy of Wynne's original manual that ya'll are welcome to
borrow. E-mail me and we'll work something out.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 Builder/Flyer list |
>Hello all,
>
>Is any one interested in putting together a list of GN-1
>builders/flyers?
>If so I'll put the info on my site.
>
>Not that we don't appreciate our Piet-driving brethren - it's just that
>there may be some information specific to our planes that could be
>shared through a mailing list, etc.
>
>Any way, if there's any interest, please let me know...
>Personal thanks to Richard for putting up such as nice site - a big
>round of applause!!!!
>
>Bert Conoly
>bwm(at)planttel.net
>http://www.bwmproductions.com/GN1
>
OK add me on the list. Barry Davis
Carrollton, Ga.
Fus.,ribs,center section,Cont. 65,tail feathers,all fittings,all welding,
completed to date. 90%done, 90% left to go.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Ragan <lragan(at)hotmail.com> |
Bert,
Are you over in Bainbridge? Do you go to Thomasville for their show? Some
of the guys here in Jax. go over every year. Maybe we could turn it into
B'head-South!
Larry Ragan
Jax.
>From: bwm
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Re: Poplar Piet
>Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 21:48:34 -0400
>
>Sanders Family wrote:
> >
> > Back on May 15th I think bwm mentioned a Larry Harrison of Bainbridge
> > GA who had built a poplar wood Piet. Larry, are you online? does
> > anyone have his snailmail address?
>
>Hi
>I stumbled up on this old message. Did you ever get Larry's address/tel
>number? If not let me know and I'll get it for you/actually go to
>http://www.bwmproductions.com/GN1 and it'll be there
>
>Later,
>Bert
________________________________________________________________________________
Hello
I hacked up my original, un-maintained webpage from 1995 and changed it into
"Pietenpol & Flybaby Spoken Here Page"
You can see it at
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/7827/
I only spent one evening putting it together, so it is very small but will
grow. I have attended Brodhead 7 out of the past ten years and have a large
collection of photos. I will track them down, scan and post as often as I
can. Warning, couldn't resist including some pictures of my favorite model
posing on my Flybaby, hope this doesn't get me another "X" rating like my
other page.
Mike Madrid
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: New Web Page |
Babes and planes, what else is there (besides food)?
Earl
-----Original Message-----
From: Camera Man
Date: Friday, July 02, 1999 8:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Web Page
>Hello
>I hacked up my original, un-maintained webpage from 1995 and changed it
into
>"Pietenpol & Flybaby Spoken Here Page"
>You can see it at
>http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/7827/
>I only spent one evening putting it together, so it is very small but will
>grow. I have attended Brodhead 7 out of the past ten years and have a large
>collection of photos. I will track them down, scan and post as often as I
>can. Warning, couldn't resist including some pictures of my favorite model
>posing on my Flybaby, hope this doesn't get me another "X" rating like my
>other page.
>Mike Madrid
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Richard & the Gang;
Here is a good source for Magneto service and repair (non-aircraft).
This is where I bought my Scout Magneto.....
ED STRAIN, INC.
6555-44TH ST. N.
UNIT 2006
PINELLAS PARK, FL.
34665
800.266.1623
"Home of Obsolete Technology"
I mentioned non-aircraft as this isn't an FAA Certified shop, just a
straight old magneto place. He does know his stuff!
Earl Myers
Richard the Gang;
Here is a good source for
Magneto service
and repair (non-aircraft). This is where I bought my Scout
Magneto.....
ED STRAIN, INC.
6555-44TH ST. N.
UNIT 2006
PINELLAS PARK, FL.
34665
800.266.1623
Home of Obsolete
Technology
I mentioned non-aircraft as this
isn't an FAA
Certified shop, just a straight old magneto place. He does know his
stuff!
Earl
Myers
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | FordPiet(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Model A Ford Engine For Sale |
I saw an add for a rebuilt Model A Ford engine for $200 b/o on page 5309 in
this months Hemmings Motor News. I already have a spare engine and so I
haven't called on this one. If you are looking for an A engine, I would
recommend checking it out. If it is in good shape, that is a great price. I
have seen some engines that were advertised as rebuilt when a better
description would have been valves and rings replaced. Good luck with your
project.
P.S. I'm in Shreveport, Louisiana. Are there any Pientenpol builders/owners
any where near here?
Hap
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Ragan <lragan(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Model A Ford Engine For Sale |
Hap,
I think on of the guys is from over in the Athens/Canton Tx., area.
Larry Ragan,
Jax.,Fl.
>From: FordPiet(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Model A Ford Engine For Sale
>Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 14:37:46 -0400 (EDT)
>
>I saw an add for a rebuilt Model A Ford engine for $200 b/o on page 5309 in
>this months Hemmings Motor News. I already have a spare engine and so I
>haven't called on this one. If you are looking for an A engine, I would
>recommend checking it out. If it is in good shape, that is a great price.
>I
>have seen some engines that were advertised as rebuilt when a better
>description would have been valves and rings replaced. Good luck with your
>project.
>
>P.S. I'm in Shreveport, Louisiana. Are there any Pientenpol
>builders/owners
>any where near here?
>
>Hap
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Lund <malund(at)sprint.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: William Wynne update |
Reeks of Lawyers to me. If thats the case, I wish him well "cleaning up"
quick- Remember what they did to TEAM
Mike.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Lund <malund(at)sprint.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: New Web Page |
I dunno- It got my blood moving. Could be rotting the minds of innocent
viewers, teaching them to enjoy the finer things in life, like Wood and Rag
airplanes ;-)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
| Subject: | Re: AGAIN I ASK??!! |
>I was going to use a soob ea-81 in my ace, until I heard one run. Nice
>engine, from what I've read, but THAT SOUND ! Gezz, that soob motor sounds=
>like 4 migets trying to kick their way out of a trash can !
>An insult to a fine airplane.
>
>Though I hear that the motor does run pretty good. And the guys who use=
them
>think well of the soob.
>
>ocb
>
>
Have you think of the "Swiss Muffler" that comes in Tony Binguilis book
about engines?
I am building one for my project (1932 Ramsey Buthtub, modified), He (T.
Binguilis) comments that is so quiet that you actually need a horn so
people will see you when taxing your plane...
I saw a SILENT Europa in Sun & Fun a couple of years ago... I though I was
watching to a glider flying, that silent.
When I test run it, I will comment to the list.
Saludos
initial testing
--------------
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Bell <mbell(at)sctcorp.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Another shock cord question |
What is the difference between shock cord and bungee cord??
Mike Bell
Columbia, SC
Patcoolnet(at)aol.com on 07/01/99 02:22:50 PM
Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
cc:
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another shock cord question
Thanks Steve E. and Jim S. for the replys--I bought shock cord
footage (as
opposed to bungee cord) to make my shock cords for my air camper.
Got the
material from Air Craft Spruce, but they don't sell fasteners for
the 5/8"
cord. I need to know what type of fasterner system you use and a
source for
them. Upholstery Rings, Hog Rings, wind with wire, what to do?
Thanks, Bud
Cooley
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Bell <mbell(at)sctcorp.com> |
I have been planning to do just that. The price of a solid
spruce spar along with the additional strength to weight of a
built up plywood and spruce spar seems to make it a good idea.
I'm looking at just matching the strength of the solid spar,
which will make it a little lighter and also stiffer.
Mike Bell
Columbia, SC
lolata on 07/01/99 12:56:17 PM
Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
cc:
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spars
Hi Guys
Has anyone ever seen or built a Piet wing with type "box" spars ?
Luis Lolata
lolata(at)sercomtel.com.br
www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/1227
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
>Yesturday, I posted a 92 Piet that is for sale. Well, today I found out
>that pictures of it are available at the local ultra-light club web site.
>Log on to: http://home.att.net/~alanhall1.htm and click on the classified
>link. It is the last item on the list. Good luck.
>
>Ron
>
Aint worked...:-)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve W <vistin(at)juno.com> |
Steve wrote:
I plan on building box spars too using Luan Philippine mahogany as the
front and rear skins. I calculate they will save about 18lbs over the
solid spars.
What other ideas are you using to save weoght.
Steve
>
>
>I have been planning to do just that. The price of a solid
>spruce spar along with the additional strength to weight of a
>built up plywood and spruce spar seems to make it a good idea.
>I'm looking at just matching the strength of the solid spar,
>which will make it a little lighter and also stiffer.
>
>Mike Bell
>Columbia, SC
>
>
>lolata on 07/01/99 12:56:17 PM
>
>Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>cc:
>Subject: Re: Spars
>
>
>Hi Guys
>
>Has anyone ever seen or built a Piet wing with type "box" spars ?
>
>Luis Lolata
>
>lolata(at)sercomtel.com.br
>
>www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/1227
>
>
Jes maken "WoodChips" heah in Missippippi!
url= http://www2.misnet.com/~vistin
email= vistin(at)juno.com
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Duane <Duaner(at)atl.mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: William Wynne update |
Larry, I'd sure like a copy. I ordered a copy of Wynn's manual back in
April. I've got a Corvair 140 hp. So far its been taken to a machine shop
and vatted and cleaned, cylinders honed and tollerances mic'ed, I've just
took the cylinders and the push rod tubes to be powder coated. Looks like
I'll buy most of my parts from Clark's Corvair Parts. Their catalog is
packed with good info. they'll send you a free catalog if you go to their
web site at www.corvair.com and print off the catalog order form and fax it
to them (fax: 1-888-625-8498)
Duane Revennaugh
duaner(at)atl.mindspring.com
>>FYI,
I took the day off today to drive down to Edgewater, Fl. where Wynne
(Corvair Authority) had his enterprise located. I visited him in Dec.
and was impressed in the amount of equipment and knowledge he had on
Piets
and Corvairs in particular. When I heard that he was not responding to
requests for info., or sending out copies of his conversion manual, I
thought I'd just go down and find out what I could.
Evidently he moved out of the hanger he was sharing with another av
related
business, (these guys had 8 Lancair IV's in one stage of completion or
another) and only left the following forwarding address:
William Wynne
P.O. Box 29802
Port Orange, Fl.
32129 Ph. 500/677-3794
I have the feeling that the guys I talked to knew where he was, but were
protecting him from who knows who. One of them mentioned that he was
possibly in Deland (due west of Daytona Bch) at the airport there.
Maybe
one day when I've got nothing better to due (since I can't make
B'head/Oshkosh) I'll cruise down to Deland and look.
It was really a shame, because he seemed to have a real interest in
Piets
(maybe even Gregas), and had a ton of 'Vair parts and engines.
In the meantime, what are you guys with Corvairs, doing to convert them?
I'd still like to go that route.
Larry Ragan
Jax, Fl.
P.S. I have a copy of Wynne's original manual that ya'll are welcome to
borrow. E-mail me and we'll work something out.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: William Wynne update |
Duane wrote:
>
> Larry, I'd sure like a copy. I ordered a copy of Wynn's manual back in
> April.
Ditto.
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Hinchman <mikehi(at)molalla.net> |
| Subject: | RE: William Wynne update & Corvair camshafts |
Folks,
I too am interested in the Corvair engine. From reading Wynne's web page, I
somehow got the impression that, among other things, he supplied a camshaft.
Do any of you know if this cam was a regrind to get the HP curve moved
closer to the torque curve, or was it a stock regrind? The RPM range for
developing 100 HP was appealing to me because it was no faster than what the
engine would turn in the car at around 65 - 70 mph -- which it could do all
day.
Anyone know about this camshaft? I suppose I could research the open and
close angles myself, but if he's done that already, why should I bother?
Engine development is not something I really want to do -- I want to build
an airplane with a reasonably priced, dependable engine! I enjoy engine
assembly, but not development.
Thanks,
Mike
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | FordPiet(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pictures - This Address Worked for Me |
Reference the web address for the pictures for the 1992 Piet for sale. The
address in the original e-mail didn't work for me. But the following
addresses did work for me:
http://home.att.net/~alanhall1/ toke me to the Southeastern VA Ultralight
Flyers
http://home.att.net/~alanhall1/forsale.htm took me to classified adds --
Piet is the last one
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~phantom3/Handy4.jpg gave me three photos of
the piet. Hope that helps.
Hap
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Brodhead 96 Pictures |
Hello
I grabbed an envelope of negatives from Brodhead 96. I scanned 20 pictures
and posted them on my Piet Page at
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/7827/
Sorry, no thumbnails, just too much work. Not many captions either, I forget
names and how to spell
them, If you recognize somebody or something, send me email with the
caption. Let me know if I should
keep posting pictures.
Mike Madrid
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | oil can <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | RE: William Wynne update & Corvair camshafts |
Yep, I'm looking for that corvair manual to.
ocb
>From: Michael Hinchman <mikehi(at)molalla.net>
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: RE: William Wynne update & Corvair camshafts
>Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 08:38:18 -0700
>
>Folks,
>
>I too am interested in the Corvair engine. From reading Wynne's web page, I
>somehow got the impression that, among other things, he supplied a
>camshaft.
>Do any of you know if this cam was a regrind to get the HP curve moved
>closer to the torque curve, or was it a stock regrind? The RPM range for
>developing 100 HP was appealing to me because it was no faster than what
>the
>engine would turn in the car at around 65 - 70 mph -- which it could do all
>day.
>
>Anyone know about this camshaft? I suppose I could research the open and
>close angles myself, but if he's done that already, why should I bother?
>Engine development is not something I really want to do -- I want to build
>an airplane with a reasonably priced, dependable engine! I enjoy engine
>assembly, but not development.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mike
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Ragan <lragan(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | RE: William Wynne update & Corvair camshafts |
OCB,
Send me your snail mail address to lragan(at)hotmail.com
Larry Ragan
>From: oil can <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: RE: William Wynne update & Corvair camshafts
>Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 23:29:00 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Yep, I'm looking for that corvair manual to.
>ocb
>
>
>>From: Michael Hinchman <mikehi(at)molalla.net>
>>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>Subject: RE: William Wynne update & Corvair camshafts
>>Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 08:38:18 -0700
>>
>>Folks,
>>
>>I too am interested in the Corvair engine. From reading Wynne's web page,
>>I
>>somehow got the impression that, among other things, he supplied a
>>camshaft.
>>Do any of you know if this cam was a regrind to get the HP curve moved
>>closer to the torque curve, or was it a stock regrind? The RPM range for
>>developing 100 HP was appealing to me because it was no faster than what
>>the
>>engine would turn in the car at around 65 - 70 mph -- which it could do
>>all
>>day.
>>
>>Anyone know about this camshaft? I suppose I could research the open and
>>close angles myself, but if he's done that already, why should I bother?
>>Engine development is not something I really want to do -- I want to build
>>an airplane with a reasonably priced, dependable engine! I enjoy engine
>>assembly, but not development.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Ragan <lragan(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: William Wynne update |
Duane,
Send me your snail mail address to lragan(at)hotmail.com
Larry Ragan
Jax, Fl
>From: Duane <Duaner(at)atl.mindspring.com>
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Re: William Wynne update
>Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 10:15:43 -0400
>
>Larry, I'd sure like a copy. I ordered a copy of Wynn's manual back in
>April. I've got a Corvair 140 hp. So far its been taken to a machine shop
>and vatted and cleaned, cylinders honed and tollerances mic'ed, I've just
>took the cylinders and the push rod tubes to be powder coated. Looks like
>I'll buy most of my parts from Clark's Corvair Parts. Their catalog is
>packed with good info. they'll send you a free catalog if you go to their
>web site at www.corvair.com and print off the catalog order form and fax it
>to them (fax: 1-888-625-8498)
>
>Duane Revennaugh
>duaner(at)atl.mindspring.com
>
> >>FYI,
> I took the day off today to drive down to Edgewater, Fl. where Wynne
> (Corvair Authority) had his enterprise located. I visited him in Dec.
> and was impressed in the amount of equipment and knowledge he had on
>Piets
> and Corvairs in particular. When I heard that he was not responding
>to
> requests for info., or sending out copies of his conversion manual, I
> thought I'd just go down and find out what I could.
> Evidently he moved out of the hanger he was sharing with another av
>related
> business, (these guys had 8 Lancair IV's in one stage of completion or
> another) and only left the following forwarding address:
> William Wynne
> P.O. Box 29802
> Port Orange, Fl.
> 32129 Ph. 500/677-3794
> I have the feeling that the guys I talked to knew where he was, but
>were
> protecting him from who knows who. One of them mentioned that he was
> possibly in Deland (due west of Daytona Bch) at the airport there.
>Maybe
> one day when I've got nothing better to due (since I can't make
> B'head/Oshkosh) I'll cruise down to Deland and look.
> It was really a shame, because he seemed to have a real interest in
>Piets
> (maybe even Gregas), and had a ton of 'Vair parts and engines.
>
> In the meantime, what are you guys with Corvairs, doing to convert
>them?
> I'd still like to go that route.
>
> Larry Ragan
> Jax, Fl.
>
> P.S. I have a copy of Wynne's original manual that ya'll are welcome
>to
> borrow. E-mail me and we'll work something out.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 96 Pictures |
Mr. Madrid! NICE website and beautifull...uh..... Flybaby! It looks
nice in Navy colors.
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Camera Man
Date: Sunday, July 04, 1999 1:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 96 Pictures
>Hello
>I grabbed an envelope of negatives from Brodhead 96. I scanned 20 pictures
>and posted them on my Piet Page at
>http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/7827/
>Sorry, no thumbnails, just too much work. Not many captions either, I
forget
>names and how to spell
>them, If you recognize somebody or something, send me email with the
>caption. Let me know if I should
>keep posting pictures.
>Mike Madrid
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 96 Pictures |
Oh Wow... there is a Fly Baby in that photo, howd I miss that. (LOL)
Seriously Great Photos Mike, make me real sorry I won't be in Broadhead
this year.
John Duprey
Earl Myers wrote:
>
> Mr. Madrid! NICE website and beautifull...uh..... Flybaby! It looks
> nice in Navy colors.
> Earl Myers
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Camera Man
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Sunday, July 04, 1999 1:54 AM
> Subject: Brodhead 96 Pictures
>
> >Hello
> >I grabbed an envelope of negatives from Brodhead 96. I scanned 20 pictures
> >and posted them on my Piet Page at
> >http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/7827/
> >Sorry, no thumbnails, just too much work. Not many captions either, I
> forget
> >names and how to spell
> >them, If you recognize somebody or something, send me email with the
> >caption. Let me know if I should
> >keep posting pictures.
> >Mike Madrid
> >
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Vintage GN-1 plans |
ROBERT in Uvalde, Texas !
Robert, I found the box with misc "schtuff" in it that contained the
old GN-1 plans. In that box was the envelope post marked in the mid
seventies from John Grega but the plans are dated 1992! I must have
traded the plans to a fella like you that had an older
GN-1.............I do now remember meeting two guys with an older
GN-1........anyways, I will continue to keep an eye out for old GN-1
plans whever I go..........
Earl Myers
PS: For the Piet guys, in the above box was a single blueprint drawn by
Orrin Hoopman (way back) for a widened Piet Scout fuselage with upgraded
metal fittings...........?!? dated 2-23-32
IS ANYONE OUT THERE BUILDING A PIET OF ANY TYPE WITH A TAILSKID AND NO
BRAKES????????
ROBERT in Uvalde, Texas
!
Robert, I found the box with
misc
schtuff in it that contained the old GN-1 plans. In that box
was the
envelope post marked in the mid seventies from John Grega but the plans
are
dated 1992! I must have traded the plans to a fella like you that had an
older
GN-1.............I do now remember meeting two guys with an older
GN-1........anyways, I will continue to keep an eye out for old GN-1
plans
whever I go..........
Earl Myers
PS: For the Piet guys, in the above
box was a
single blueprint drawn by Orrin Hoopman (way back) for a widened Piet
Scout
fuselage with upgraded metal fittings...........?!? dated
2-23-32
IS ANYONE OUT THERE BUILDING A PIET
OF ANY TYPE
WITH A TAILSKID AND NO BRAKES????????
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | The Endicotts <rasala(at)brutus.bright.net> |
Please unsubscribe met for the time being. To many irons in the fire.
thanks, Larry.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 96 Pictures |
Earl Myers wrote:
>
> Mr. Madrid! NICE website and beautifull...uh..... Flybaby! It looks
> nice in Navy colors.
> Earl Myers
I thought that was Army Air Corps.
But he is right......nice plane, baby!
Keep posting,
Dannymac
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Bell <mbell(at)sctcorp.com> |
I don't have any numbers on phillipine mahogany. Initial plans
are for two skins of 1/8 aircraft grade birch plywood and 3/4 x
3/4 spruce or fir top and bottom. I haven't had time to work it
all through yet. I expect that it can be lightened from that and
still equal or exceed solid spruce. Let me know where you got
the numbers for the phillipine mahogany from. I've always
thought of it as somwhere between balsa and honduras mahogany,
but much closer to the balsa end of the spectrum.
Mike Bell
Columbia, SC
Steve W on 07/02/99 10:25:46 PM
Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
cc:
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spars
Steve wrote:
I plan on building box spars too using Luan Philippine mahogany
as the
front and rear skins. I calculate they will save about 18lbs over
the
solid spars.
What other ideas are you using to save weoght.
Steve
writes:
>
>
>I have been planning to do just that. The price of a solid
>spruce spar along with the additional strength to weight of a
>built up plywood and spruce spar seems to make it a good idea.
>I'm looking at just matching the strength of the solid spar,
>which will make it a little lighter and also stiffer.
>
>Mike Bell
>Columbia, SC
>
>
>lolata on 07/01/99 12:56:17 PM
>
>Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>cc:
>Subject: Re: Spars
>
>
>Hi Guys
>
>Has anyone ever seen or built a Piet wing with type "box" spars
?
>
>Luis Lolata
>
>lolata(at)sercomtel.com.br
>
>www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/1227
>
>
Jes maken "WoodChips" heah in Missippippi!
url= http://www2.misnet.com/~vistin
email= vistin(at)juno.com
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Bell <mbell(at)sctcorp.com> |
I have managed a few days and an airline ticket and I'm coming to
Oshkosh and Brodhead!!!!!! I'll have Friday at Oshkosh and
Saturday & Sunday at Brodhead. That is Bradhead WISCONSIN,
right??? I got some maps on the web, but I can't find the
airfield at Brodhead. Where is it? See y'all there.
Mike Bell
Columbia, SC
________________________________________________________________________________
What thickness plywood are you planning for your box spar? I've been
thinking about this route also but would need some more info on splicing
the plywood for the box face and relative strengths. Any info on the web
for designing box spars? Think I'll do some searching, but it will be a
while before I need spars.
Wayne Sippola
> From: Steve W <vistin(at)juno.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Spars
> Date: Friday, July 02, 1999 9:25 PM
>
> Steve wrote:
> I plan on building box spars too using Luan Philippine mahogany as the
> front and rear skins. I calculate they will save about 18lbs over the
> solid spars.
> What other ideas are you using to save weoght.
> Steve
>
> >
> >
> >I have been planning to do just that. The price of a solid
> >spruce spar along with the additional strength to weight of a
> >built up plywood and spruce spar seems to make it a good idea.
> >I'm looking at just matching the strength of the solid spar,
> >which will make it a little lighter and also stiffer.
> >
> >Mike Bell
> >Columbia, SC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >lolata on 07/01/99 12:56:17 PM
> >
> >Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
> >
> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >cc:
> >Subject: Re: Spars
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Hi Guys
> >
> >Has anyone ever seen or built a Piet wing with type "box" spars ?
> >
> >Luis Lolata
> >
> >lolata(at)sercomtel.com.br
> >
> >www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/1227
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Jes maken "WoodChips" heah in Missippippi!
> url= http://www2.misnet.com/~vistin
> email= vistin(at)juno.com
>
> __________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | oil can <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com> |
welding landing gear tube...
putting a steel cap on top of a 2" hollow tube.
Tube standing up right on shop table...
Finished about 2 min. of spot welds...
picked up tube, looked down hollow end....kind of like looking down wrong
end of a gun barrel....
Ka-Boom ! Orange fire ball heads stright into face !
By reflex, close eyes.
Instant later feel symptoms of sun burn, smell burnt hair.
Mustash burned back by 15 %
Eyebrows burned back by 15%
Eyelashes...almost gone, whats left are little pigtail stub ends...burnt
brown.
Hair on head singed back to ears.
Smelled singe, and scorch all last night.
Sat down and tried to figure how a hollow empty tube, hot at one end could
cause so much damage...
Best I can tell, is the combustion process of actlyene, and oxy, leaves a
residue of combustable CO (carbon monoxide) in the tube. CO must be heavier
than air. So as I welded, the CO built up at the bottom of the tube, with
the red hot end at the top.
When I picked up, and turned over the tube, the CO sank to the red hot end,
and ...POW ! I became the star attraction of an explosion.
I'm ok, but I sure do have a lot more respect for welding gas.
BOB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
Boom? Bummer!
The residual oil coating in the tube becomes vapourized by the heat of
welding. The vapours are heavier than air so when the tube is inverted......
well you know.
It has happened to me. I even did it with ABS cement and a potato
cannon..duh! Repaired a leaking joint after a misfire. Forgot the potatoe
was still in the barrel and clicked the trigger. At least in that case I
wasn't looking down the barrel.
-----Original Message-----
From: oil can <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sunday, July 04, 1999 8:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: fire ball
>welding landing gear tube...
>
>putting a steel cap on top of a 2" hollow tube.
>
>Tube standing up right on shop table...
>
>Finished about 2 min. of spot welds...
>
>picked up tube, looked down hollow end....kind of like looking down wrong
>end of a gun barrel....
>
>Ka-Boom ! Orange fire ball heads stright into face !
>
>By reflex, close eyes.
>
>Instant later feel symptoms of sun burn, smell burnt hair.
>
>Mustash burned back by 15 %
>Eyebrows burned back by 15%
>Eyelashes...almost gone, whats left are little pigtail stub ends...burnt
>brown.
>Hair on head singed back to ears.
>
>Smelled singe, and scorch all last night.
>
>Sat down and tried to figure how a hollow empty tube, hot at one end could
>cause so much damage...
>
>Best I can tell, is the combustion process of actlyene, and oxy, leaves a
>residue of combustable CO (carbon monoxide) in the tube. CO must be
heavier
>than air. So as I welded, the CO built up at the bottom of the tube, with
>the red hot end at the top.
>
>When I picked up, and turned over the tube, the CO sank to the red hot end,
>and ...POW ! I became the star attraction of an explosion.
>
>
>I'm ok, but I sure do have a lot more respect for welding gas.
>
>BOB
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
find Janesville and go SW a bit.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Bell <mbell(at)sctcorp.com>
Date: Sunday, July 04, 1999 5:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
>
>
>I have managed a few days and an airline ticket and I'm coming to
>Oshkosh and Brodhead!!!!!! I'll have Friday at Oshkosh and
>Saturday & Sunday at Brodhead. That is Bradhead WISCONSIN,
>right??? I got some maps on the web, but I can't find the
>airfield at Brodhead. Where is it? See y'all there.
>
>Mike Bell
>Columbia, SC
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Hinchman <mikehi(at)molalla.net> |
| Subject: | Breakfast and fly in, Oregon |
Folks,
One of my neighbors in our flying community is hosting a fly in and
breakfast on July 31st. If you're within what you consider to be reasonable
flying distance, we'd love to have you attend -- in whatever you're flying.
We are at Skydive Oregon, about 5 miles southeast of Aurora and about 10
northeast of Salem -- it's on the Seattle sectional.
Send me email if you want more info -- mikehi(at)molalla.net.
Thanks,
Mike
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
Only thing is, CO is noncombustible. It is a
cover gas for tig/mig, (I know there are others).
Was there any oil present? sawdust? you know it
could have been just about anything (except CO).
Consider yourself lucky, go out and buy some lotto
tickets before it wears off. Glad you are okay,
sans hair.
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
Bob, sorry to hear of the mishap, but glad you're O.K. Another hard learned
lesson for all of us to benefit from. Thanks for sharing another pitfall
with us.
Ed
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Ragan <lragan(at)hotmail.com> |
After that description, I'm not so sure I'll ask why they call you "
Oil Can Bob".......
>From: oil can <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: fire ball
>Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 19:31:35 -0700 (PDT)
>
>welding landing gear tube...
>
>putting a steel cap on top of a 2" hollow tube.
>
>Tube standing up right on shop table...
>
>Finished about 2 min. of spot welds...
>
>picked up tube, looked down hollow end....kind of like looking down wrong
>end of a gun barrel....
>
>Ka-Boom ! Orange fire ball heads stright into face !
>
>By reflex, close eyes.
>
>Instant later feel symptoms of sun burn, smell burnt hair.
>
>Mustash burned back by 15 %
>Eyebrows burned back by 15%
>Eyelashes...almost gone, whats left are little pigtail stub ends...burnt
>brown.
>Hair on head singed back to ears.
>
>Smelled singe, and scorch all last night.
>
>Sat down and tried to figure how a hollow empty tube, hot at one end could
>cause so much damage...
>
>Best I can tell, is the combustion process of actlyene, and oxy, leaves a
>residue of combustable CO (carbon monoxide) in the tube. CO must be
>heavier
>than air. So as I welded, the CO built up at the bottom of the tube, with
>the red hot end at the top.
>
>When I picked up, and turned over the tube, the CO sank to the red hot end,
>and ...POW ! I became the star attraction of an explosion.
>
>
>I'm ok, but I sure do have a lot more respect for welding gas.
>
>BOB
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gordon Ward <Gordon.Ward(at)tesco.net> |
Please unsubscribe me for the time being.
Thanx
-----Original Message-----
From: Randall Reihing <rreihing(at)eng.utoledo.edu>
Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 09:47
Subject: Pietenpol-List: unsubscribe
>Unsubscribe
>Randall Reihing
>University of Toledo
>College of Engineering
>MIME Department
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>
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Dear Oilcan,
Thanks for sharing that mishap with us. This is a hazard I will
thankfully avoid all because of your experience. I will probably think
of you for a long, long time when I am welding. I have had no formal
training in welding and have often wondered about hidden dangers that I
might not be aware of. I'm glad that you are OK ......hair is cheap!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Bell <mbell(at)sctcorp.com> |
I won't need them for awhile either. I'm spending four or five
days a week in Reston, Virginia and commuting home on weekends.
The honeydo list usually takes care of my weekends. I'm going to
build ribs in the apartment in Reston and I'll work out the spars
while I'm there also. If I remember right (the book is in Reston
and I'm in SC right now) splices are supposed to be eight times
the thickness of the wood, one inch for one-eighth plywood.
Stagger the joints on opposites faces so that they don't align
anywhere. The same goes for the top and bottom fillers. I
read the BP used built up spars that were seven strips of 3/4
inch spruce with 1/8 inch plywood faces. That certainly is
overkill compared to a solid spruce spar. The hollow box spar
with 1/8 aircraft grade birch plywood and 3/4 inch spruce or fir
top and bottom for the box is stronger than solid one inch
spruce.
A step beyond the wooden box is an aluminum spar. That could
probably save 60% over the solid spruce.
I'll post what I work out and see what others have to say.
Mike Bell
Columbia, SC
wayne on 07/04/99 08:28:01 PM
Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
cc:
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spars
What thickness plywood are you planning for your box spar?
I've been
thinking about this route also but would need some more info on
splicing
the plywood for the box face and relative strengths. Any info on
the web
for designing box spars? Think I'll do some searching, but it
will be a
while before I need spars.
Wayne Sippola
> From: Steve W <vistin(at)juno.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Spars
> Date: Friday, July 02, 1999 9:25 PM
>
> Steve wrote:
> I plan on building box spars too using Luan Philippine mahogany
as the
> front and rear skins. I calculate they will save about 18lbs
over the
> solid spars.
> What other ideas are you using to save weoght.
> Steve
>
writes:
> >
> >
> >I have been planning to do just that. The price of a solid
> >spruce spar along with the additional strength to weight of a
> >built up plywood and spruce spar seems to make it a good idea.
> >I'm looking at just matching the strength of the solid spar,
> >which will make it a little lighter and also stiffer.
> >
> >Mike Bell
> >Columbia, SC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >lolata on 07/01/99 12:56:17 PM
> >
> >Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
> >
> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >cc:
> >Subject: Re: Spars
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Hi Guys
> >
> >Has anyone ever seen or built a Piet wing with type "box"
spars ?
> >
> >Luis Lolata
> >
> >lolata(at)sercomtel.com.br
> >
> >www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/1227
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Jes maken "WoodChips" heah in Missippippi!
> url= http://www2.misnet.com/~vistin
> email= vistin(at)juno.com
>
>
__________
month!
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| From: | "David B. Schober" <dschober(at)mail.fscwv.edu> |
The tubing has an oil corrosion inhibitor in it. When you turned it over , the
oil ran down onto the red hot metal and ignited.
We had a similar experiance welding up the fuselage of a PA-18. We were working
on a cross tube in the cabin area. Tacked it in place then started finish
welding the far end. It flashed out the near end and caught my friend shirt on
fire. One of the other guys grabbed a dry chemical fire ext and was about to
discharge it when the first one said "NO". You can imagine the look of the
person holding a fire extinguisher about to discharge it and the person on fire
telling him not to! We grabbed one of the buckets of water in the area and
doused the friend on fire. Minor burns on the chest but what a good story! Moral
is, keep water handy any time you are welding. It comes in handy!
oil can wrote:
> welding landing gear tube...
>
> putting a steel cap on top of a 2" hollow tube.
>
> Tube standing up right on shop table...
>
> Finished about 2 min. of spot welds...
>
> picked up tube, looked down hollow end....kind of like looking down wrong
> end of a gun barrel....
>
> Ka-Boom ! Orange fire ball heads stright into face !
>
> By reflex, close eyes.
>
> Instant later feel symptoms of sun burn, smell burnt hair.
>
> Mustash burned back by 15 %
> Eyebrows burned back by 15%
> Eyelashes...almost gone, whats left are little pigtail stub ends...burnt
> brown.
> Hair on head singed back to ears.
>
> Smelled singe, and scorch all last night.
>
> Sat down and tried to figure how a hollow empty tube, hot at one end could
> cause so much damage...
>
> Best I can tell, is the combustion process of actlyene, and oxy, leaves a
> residue of combustable CO (carbon monoxide) in the tube. CO must be heavier
> than air. So as I welded, the CO built up at the bottom of the tube, with
> the red hot end at the top.
>
> When I picked up, and turned over the tube, the CO sank to the red hot end,
> and ...POW ! I became the star attraction of an explosion.
>
> I'm ok, but I sure do have a lot more respect for welding gas.
>
> BOB
>
--
David B.Schober, CPE
Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
Fairmont State College
National Aerospace Education Center
1050 East Benedum Industrial Drive
Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503
(304) 842-8300
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| Subject: | aluminum heads / $15 mags |
Does anyone have the url to that place that had the aluminum heads for
the 'A'? I need to get one AND add it to the supplier section of
AirCamper.org. Also, those $15 mags... they WILL work with the 'A'
right? I need to grab a few if they do. Thanks!
Richard
===
"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how
in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
---------------------------------------------------------
Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
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My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
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| Subject: | New feature/video on AirCamper.org |
New: Site Map; Find your way around the site
http://www.aircamper.org/SiteMap.cfm
plus one new MPEG view, a walk-around of my fuselage:
http://www.aircamper.org/videos.cfm
Enjoy,
Richard
===
"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how
in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
---------------------------------------------------------
Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
---------------------------------------------------------
My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
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| From: | Domenico Bellissimo |
Steve,
Please unsubscribe untill I can get a new connection. I was unable to
contact Richard's site to unsubcribe as all the company licences were used
up for today. It's been a pleasure. See you in Brodhead.
Domenico Bellissimo
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| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | engine mount question |
This is to all of you experienced guys who have fought through the W/B
for a 65 Cont.
I have started to make some brackets, and thinking about the mount.
Everyone talks of the Aircamper being tail heavy as a rule.
I'm 220#, and planned on adding 1" to the mount. Does this sound right
to you guys? The rest of the plane will be made per prints.
thanks,
walt evans
This is to all of you experienced
guys who have
fought through the W/B for a 65 Cont.
I have started to make some
brackets, and
thinking about the mount.
Everyone talks of the Aircamper
being tail heavy
as a rule.
I'm 220#, and planned on adding
1 to the
mount. Does this sound right to you guys? The rest of
the
plane will be made per prints.
thanks,
walt
evans
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| Subject: | Re: aluminum heads / $15 mags |
Richard & the Gang;
I looked up the Army Surplus guys with the magnetos in the Military
Vehicle Collectors Guide....In there, the mags are the same price each but
$12.95 each for 5 or more......
Richard;
Here is where I got my Aluminim head.....
DAN PRICE
7320 SUNBURY RD.
ROUTE 2, DELAWARE COUNTY
WESTERVILLE, OHIO 43081
614.891.2882 800.989.0497
The description is...."Stock appearing 6:1 Aluminum Head"....$285.00 as of
4/96. Since this is a little over 3 years old, there may be some changes. I
chose this guy because he was local, is a pilot, building a Scout and knows
this is for Aircraft use and the type of aluminum he used.
Earl Myers
Also note a magneto supplier I posted earlier.......
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard DeCosta
Date: Monday, July 05, 1999 1:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: aluminum heads / $15 mags
>Does anyone have the url to that place that had the aluminum heads for
>the 'A'? I need to get one AND add it to the supplier section of
>AirCamper.org. Also, those $15 mags... they WILL work with the 'A'
>right? I need to grab a few if they do. Thanks!
>
>Richard
>
>
>===
>"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just
how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
>---------------------------------------------------------
>Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
>---------------------------------------------------------
>My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Brusilow <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: engine mount question |
This is to all of you experienced guys who have fought through the
W/B for a 65 Cont.
I have started to make some brackets, and thinking about the mount.
Everyone talks of the Aircamper being tail heavy as a rule.
I'm 220#, and planned on adding 1" to the mount. Does this sound
right to you guys? The rest of the plane will be made per prints.
thanks,
walt evans>>>
Walt, are you building the long or short fuselage? If it's the
long, I think you are going to have a problem.
Mike B -Piet N6876MB ( Mr Sam )
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| From: | michael list <mclist(at)ptw.com> |
Has anyone checked out the 6061-T6 aluminum spars on page 178 of the
98/99 Aircraft Spruce catalog? Sounds like they could work with Piet
ribs with some spacers in the rib spar slot, especially if the price of
$99 for 204" of spar is correct. Can't get good spruce spars for that.
I've been less than thrilled with the poor "aircraft quality" spruce I
have received for capstrip material, so I'm leaning heavily towards
metal spars.
24 days to Brodhead!
Mike List
Mike Bell wrote:
>
>
> A step beyond the wooden box is an aluminum spar. That could
> probably save 60% over the solid spruce.
>
> I'll post what I work out and see what others have to say.
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| Subject: | Re: Breakfast and fly in, Oregon |
Thanks for the invite but I'm still building my piet. Bare bones yet. I
hope to do some flying in about a year to 18 months. How long you think it
might take to fly the piet from here to there? Burnham, IL. That would be
fun.
Stay in touch, Ryder Olsen
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Ragan <lragan(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New feature/video on AirCamper.org |
Great video Richard, but you need to dirty up your workshop!
>From: Richard DeCosta
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: New feature/video on AirCamper.org
>Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 10:53:58 -0700 (PDT)
>
>New: Site Map; Find your way around the site
>http://www.aircamper.org/SiteMap.cfm
>
>plus one new MPEG view, a walk-around of my fuselage:
>http://www.aircamper.org/videos.cfm
>
>Enjoy,
>Richard
>===
>"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just
>how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
>---------------------------------------------------------
>Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
>---------------------------------------------------------
>My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
>
>
Larry Ragan
Jacksonville, Fl.
lragan(at)hotmail.com
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| From: | Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net> |
Hi All!
On box spars the plywood webs are handling alot of load in shear -- the top
caps & lower caps are trying to move in differant directions. On some
spars the ply is even applied at a 45 degree angle to deal with this.
("bias cut" ;-) At the fitting points, full depth blocks are set between
the caps.
E.F. Bruhn's "Analysis& Design of Airplane Structures" can give you some
design info. ( my copy is from 1943!)
Mike Conkling
Pretty Prairie, KS
> From: wayne
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Spars
> Date: Sunday, July 04, 1999 7:28 PM
>
> What thickness plywood are you planning for your box spar? I've
been
> thinking about this route also but would need some more info on splicing
> the plywood for the box face and relative strengths. Any info on the web
> for designing box spars? Think I'll do some searching, but it will be a
> while before I need spars.
> Wayne Sippola
>
> ----------
> > From: Steve W <vistin(at)juno.com>
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: Re: Spars
> > Date: Friday, July 02, 1999 9:25 PM
> >
> > Steve wrote:
> > I plan on building box spars too using Luan Philippine mahogany as the
> > front and rear skins. I calculate they will save about 18lbs over the
> > solid spars.
> > What other ideas are you using to save weoght.
> > Steve
> >
writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >I have been planning to do just that. The price of a solid
> > >spruce spar along with the additional strength to weight of a
> > >built up plywood and spruce spar seems to make it a good idea.
> > >I'm looking at just matching the strength of the solid spar,
> > >which will make it a little lighter and also stiffer.
> > >
> > >Mike Bell
> > >Columbia, SC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >lolata on 07/01/99 12:56:17 PM
> > >
> > >Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
> > >
> > >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >cc:
> > >Subject: Re: Spars
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Hi Guys
> > >
> > >Has anyone ever seen or built a Piet wing with type "box" spars ?
> > >
> > >Luis Lolata
> > >
> > >lolata(at)sercomtel.com.br
> > >
> > >www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/1227
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Jes maken "WoodChips" heah in Missippippi!
> > url= http://www2.misnet.com/~vistin
> > email= vistin(at)juno.com
> >
> > __________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craig Lawler <clawler(at)ptd.net> |
| Subject: | Re: engine mount question |
x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"
Walt,
I weigh about 160 and rocked my wings back 3 1/2 inches and added 1 inch
to the engine mount for the C-65. Trims out just right.
Craig
________________________________________________________________________________
>welding landing gear tube...
>
(Snip)
Bob,
Thanks for sharing this with us. I am about to start welding my gear legs,
and also have no formal training in welding. I will remember your story
every time I light up the torch.
Perhaps sharing your story in Experimenter might be in order? It may help
someone else avoid an injury.
Thanks again.
Al Swanson
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Clamps & glue, Re: progress |
Some epoxy engineers don't like to use wax paper claiming
that some of the wax will desperse into the the glue joint, I use
plastic drop cloth from Walmart.
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Bell <mbell(at)sctcorp.com> |
Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 7:17 AM
| Subject: | Re: Clamps & glue, Re: progress |
>
>
> Epoxy doesn't need much pressure, in fact too much is bad. Two
> one foot pieces of 2x2 with a six or eight inch bolt through the
> ends or alternately through the end and middle using a piece of
> wood equal to the thickness of what you want to clamp placed
> between the bolts, will give all the pressure that you need.
> Big rubber bands on both ends of a pair of 2x2's will also give
> enough pressure. A little waxed paper under each side of these
> "econo" clamps will insure that they do not become an additional
> part of the fuse, wing, etc. Rubber bands alone will also do
> the trick in some situations. As long as alignment is
> maintained you're home cheap.
>
> Mike Bell
> Columbia, SC
>
>
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| From: | jrbayer2(at)juno.com |
| Subject: | Re: aluminum heads / $15 mags |
Richard, I think I screwed-up and gave the url for a place selling CAST
IRON heads, as one of our other forum members informed me. Anybody else
have the aluminium head source?
John Bayer
writes:
>Does anyone have the url to that place that had the aluminum heads
>for
>the 'A'? I need to get one AND add it to the supplier section of
>AirCamper.org. Also, those $15 mags... they WILL work with the 'A'
>right? I need to grab a few if they do. Thanks!
>
>Richard
>
>
>===
>"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly?
>Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim
>Tavenner
>---------------------------------------------------------
>Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
>---------------------------------------------------------
>My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
>
>
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| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
The GN-1 doesn't use a CUB air foil but a modified
Pietenpol. The cub used three different airfoils,
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Bell <mbell(at)sctcorp.com> |
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 10:43 AM
>
>
> The first thing I would look at is the airfoil versus the
> horizontal stabilizer area. The Piet's airfoil is almost reflexed
> and should be practically neutral whereas the Luscombe may cause
> significant nose down force that requires more horizontal stab
> area to compensate and give you the required amount of control.
> The Luscombe is a heavier plane than a Piet, isn't it? What
> speed does the Luscomb stall at? What is the area of the wing?
> You should get enough lift if you can get enough speed up. More
> lift from the wing translates into more drag and the Piet has
> plenty of that already. It would probably be good to look at
> the GN-1 and compare the Luscombs wing/airfoil to the Cub's that
> the GN-1 uses. With luck thay are the same or nearly the same
> airfoil and that will point to what performance you can expect.
> It might be a good idea, but I'd want to be able to answer a lot
> of questions first.
> Mike Bell
> Columbia, SC
>
>
>
>
> fishin on 06/22/99 09:31:30 AM
>
> Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> cc:
> Subject: wings
>
>
> hello group==I have an opportunity to pick up a pair of Luscombe
> wings
> (alum ribs & spar) w/ailerons (cable controled) fabric covered
> (to be
> replaced) for not much more $ than materials to build wood
> wings...now
> I know it distroys the Piet purity but I've got to consider the
> gobs of
> time it will save me in getting my bird airborne. (I'm 61 years
> young
> and watching the calender) the wings are adaptable with only
> minor
> modification to the center section.
> any comments pro or con ?????
> regards
> JoeC
> Zion, Illinois
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Slick Mag $15 rotation?? |
Hello
I received my $15 mags, Slick model number is 4220. It look like it turns
the wrong way for Model A. I think the Model A need a left rotation, these
are right rotation. Help?
Mike Madrid
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/7827/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: OSH camping update? |
>Mike,
>
>I got the NORAD post card today.
>
>I just ordered the "regular" video yesterday from EAA. Is this one any
>different? If it is the same, should I send in the card to get signed up
>and just tell them I already have ordered the video? Finally, should I send
>in the card if I have a handheld? Does this have something to do with
>transponders too?
>
Ted- Sorry for the slow response. I've been away for 4 days.
Yes, mail the card no matter what. It's got to be in by the 9th or 10th as
I recall. The video is the same thing-I was told we would get the video with
our norad notam package, but who knows. If you get two of them all the
better ! Our tax dollars at work. The FAA actually did a nice, nice job on
that video. I got mucho benefit watching last years.
All the best, Mike C.
>I see that there is camping but no showers at the field the night before.
>No big deal - that is the good thing about these open cockpits...
>
>Ted
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)startribune.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vintage GN-1 plans |
>>> Earl Myers 07/04 12:10 PM >>>
ROBERT in Uvalde, Texas !
Robert, I found the box with misc "schtuff" in it that contained the old
GN-1 plans. In that box was the envelope post marked in the mid seventies
from John Grega but the plans are dated 1992! I must have traded the plans
to a fella like you that had an older GN-1.............I do now remember
meeting two guys with an older GN-1........anyways, I will continue to
keep an eye out for old GN-1 plans whever I go..........
Earl Myers
PS: For the Piet guys, in the above box was a single blueprint drawn by
Orrin Hoopman (way back) for a widened Piet Scout fuselage with upgraded
metal fittings...........?!? dated 2-23-32
IS ANYONE OUT THERE BUILDING A PIET OF ANY TYPE WITH A TAILSKID AND NO
BRAKES????????
Earl,
I am building a long fuselage, Cont. 65 powered Air Camper with a tail
skid and no brakes. Why do you ask?
Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis
________________________________________________________________________________
Dannymac...Hair is cheap? You must have a full head of hair, or you wouldn't
make a statement like that.
Anyway, I save money on haircuts!
Ed
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: engine mount question |
>
> This is to all of you experienced guys who have fought through the W/B for a
> 65 Cont.
> I have started to make some brackets, and thinking about the mount.
> Everyone talks of the Aircamper being tail heavy as a rule.
> I'm 220#, and planned on adding 1" to the mount. Does this sound right to
> you guys? The rest of the plane will be made per prints.
> thanks,
> walt evans
Walt- I'm 205 w/ a short fuse Piet. I added one inch also but to do it over
would
go 2". My wings are aft 4" of upright. Nose fuel, 17 gals. Flies wonderful
until
you get down to about 7 gals, then a little tail heavy.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mboynton(at)excite.com |
| Subject: | Re: New feature/video on AirCamper.org |
Richard,
Great work, as usual. On the new video front page, whose Air Camper is
pictured fourth down from the top, in the right hand column?
Mark Boynton
Gilbert, AZ
> Great video Richard, but you need to dirty up your workshop!
>
>
> >From: Richard DeCosta
> >Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >Subject: New feature/video on AirCamper.org
> >Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 10:53:58 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >New: Site Map; Find your way around the site
> >http://www.aircamper.org/SiteMap.cfm
> >
> >plus one new MPEG view, a walk-around of my fuselage:
> >http://www.aircamper.org/videos.cfm
> >
> >Enjoy,
> >Richard
> >===
> >"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly?
Just
> >how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
> >---------------------------------------------------------
> >Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> >---------------------------------------------------------
> >My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Larry Ragan
> Jacksonville, Fl.
> lragan(at)hotmail.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Vintage GN-1 plans |
It sounded as tho I was the only one doing it the "Hard way" as it takes
some forthought regards to landing choices and so forth. The only Piets I
have flown in were skids/no brakes. Without the keel on the skidplate, it is
very easy to manuver and turn. With the skid keel, what a chore!
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)startribune.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 10:10 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
>
>
>>>> Earl Myers 07/04 12:10 PM >>>
>ROBERT in Uvalde, Texas !
> Robert, I found the box with misc "schtuff" in it that contained the old
GN-1 plans. In that box was the envelope post marked in the mid seventies
from John Grega but the plans are dated 1992! I must have traded the plans
to a fella like you that had an older GN-1.............I do now remember
meeting two guys with an older GN-1........anyways, I will continue to keep
an eye out for old GN-1 plans whever I go..........
>Earl Myers
>
>PS: For the Piet guys, in the above box was a single blueprint drawn by
Orrin Hoopman (way back) for a widened Piet Scout fuselage with upgraded
metal fittings...........?!? dated 2-23-32
>
>
>IS ANYONE OUT THERE BUILDING A PIET OF ANY TYPE WITH A TAILSKID AND NO
BRAKES????????
>
>Earl,
>I am building a long fuselage, Cont. 65 powered Air Camper with a tail skid
and no brakes. Why do you ask?
>
>Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Copinfo <Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: engine mount question |
I just finsihed putting an A-65 on my Piet. I made the mount 4 inches
longer than the plans. It flys well but still needs forward trim.
-----Original Message-----
Date: Monday, July 05, 1999 3:09 PM
Subject: engine mount question
This is to all of you experienced guys who have fought through the
W/B for a 65 Cont.
I have started to make some brackets, and thinking about the mount.
Everyone talks of the Aircamper being tail heavy as a rule.
I'm 220#, and planned on adding 1" to the mount. Does this sound
right to you guys? The rest of the plane will be made per prints.
thanks,
walt evans
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)startribune.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vintage GN-1 plans |
Earl,
Grass strips are easy to find. In Minnesota you only need to have the land
owners permission to land off airport. And to license a private strip is
not much more difficult unless the neighbors are unfriendly.
Does the keel make much of a difference when landing? Is there much more
of a tendency to ground loop?
Also, has anyone landed on pavement with a skid? What can I expect if I
try this?
Thanks, Greg
>>> Earl Myers 07/06 9:08 AM >>>
It sounded as tho I was the only one doing it the "Hard way" as it takes
some forthought regards to landing choices and so forth. The only Piets I
have flown in were skids/no brakes. Without the keel on the skidplate, it
is
very easy to manuver and turn. With the skid keel, what a chore!
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)startribune.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 10:10 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
>
>
>>>> Earl Myers 07/04 12:10 PM >>>
>ROBERT in Uvalde, Texas !
> Robert, I found the box with misc "schtuff" in it that contained the old
GN-1 plans. In that box was the envelope post marked in the mid seventies
from John Grega but the plans are dated 1992! I must have traded the plans
to a fella like you that had an older GN-1.............I do now remember
meeting two guys with an older GN-1........anyways, I will continue to
keep
an eye out for old GN-1 plans whever I go..........
>Earl Myers
>
>PS: For the Piet guys, in the above box was a single blueprint drawn by
Orrin Hoopman (way back) for a widened Piet Scout fuselage with upgraded
metal fittings...........?!? dated 2-23-32
>
>
>IS ANYONE OUT THERE BUILDING A PIET OF ANY TYPE WITH A TAILSKID AND NO
BRAKES????????
>
>Earl,
>I am building a long fuselage, Cont. 65 powered Air Camper with a tail
skid
and no brakes. Why do you ask?
>
>Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Vintage GN-1 plans |
What can I
> expect if I try this?
>
Sparks. Lots of them. I had the unfortunate oportunity to loose one of the
tailwheel bolts on my piet last year. The tailwheel assembly went sidways
and ground down the tube significantly in only about 50'. Nice scratches on
the runway too.
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Greg Cardinal
> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 10:55 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
>
>
> Earl,
> Grass strips are easy to find. In Minnesota you only need to
> have the land owners permission to land off airport. And to
> license a private strip is not much more difficult unless the
> neighbors are unfriendly.
> Does the keel make much of a difference when landing? Is
> there much more of a tendency to ground loop?
> Also, has anyone landed on pavement with a skid? What can I
> expect if I try this?
>
> Thanks, Greg
>
> >>> Earl Myers 07/06 9:08 AM >>>
> It sounded as tho I was the only one doing it the "Hard way"
> as it takes
> some forthought regards to landing choices and so forth. The
> only Piets I
> have flown in were skids/no brakes. Without the keel on the
> skidplate, it is
> very easy to manuver and turn. With the skid keel, what a chore!
> Earl Myers
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)startribune.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 10:10 AM
> Subject: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
>
>
> >
> >
> >>>> Earl Myers 07/04 12:10 PM >>>
> >ROBERT in Uvalde, Texas !
> > Robert, I found the box with misc "schtuff" in it that
> contained the old
> GN-1 plans. In that box was the envelope post marked in the
> mid seventies
> from John Grega but the plans are dated 1992! I must have
> traded the plans
> to a fella like you that had an older GN-1.............I do
> now remember
> meeting two guys with an older GN-1........anyways, I will
> continue to keep
> an eye out for old GN-1 plans whever I go..........
> >Earl Myers
> >
> >PS: For the Piet guys, in the above box was a single
> blueprint drawn by
> Orrin Hoopman (way back) for a widened Piet Scout fuselage
> with upgraded
> metal fittings...........?!? dated 2-23-32
> >
> >
> >IS ANYONE OUT THERE BUILDING A PIET OF ANY TYPE WITH A
> TAILSKID AND NO
> BRAKES????????
> >
> >Earl,
> >I am building a long fuselage, Cont. 65 powered Air Camper
> with a tail skid
> and no brakes. Why do you ask?
> >
> >Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Vintage GN-1 plans |
Greg;
Same rules here in Ohio for landing strips pretty much.
With the keel, whatever direction the plane is pointed in when you land
(assuming 3 point), that is the direction you are going in untill you stop!
The keel makes x wind landings easy because the tail won't budge with full
aft stick planting that keel in the grass. The drawback is when you need to
turn! Even with full rudder and a big blast from the engine (prop wash), it
only achieves a 1 mile turning radius. (+/-). At the airport where we are,
(I am talking about the Sky Gypsy owned by the Pavligas) there are 2 runways
90 degrees apart. Taxiing is comical, slowly going down the taxiway to a
turn point, CLIMBING OUT of the plane, picking up the tail and turning the
plane in the direction you want to go, taxi to the run-up area then back out
to pick up the tail, carry it over to the runway, swing it around on the
runway get back in and go, all with the engine running and a passenger
aboard! WHEW!
When Frank (Pavliga) redid the plane a few years back, he changed the skid
to a small ski type, curled front edge and maybe 3 x 5 inche pad area, no
keel. Now it behaves very nicely and there aren't too many directional
problems....x-winds are more noteable but manageable with prop wash (they
otta bottle that stuff and sell it!). It doesn't stop as good as it did with
the keel as the keel was like a boat anchor!
Some strip owners didn't like the skid/keel cause it tears up the sod like
a big rake......the ski type skid fixed that.
If you land a keel on asphalt, it carves a nice slice wherever you have
been, instant hot water with the strip owner! The ski is ok but it gets
ground somewhat and the ship is a bit squirrely and DOESN't stop very well.
Frank has had to hop out and grab the ship on more than one occasion to stop
it as some of the strips (grass) weren't that level.
Gotta run for now.....
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)startribune.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 12:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
>Earl,
>Grass strips are easy to find. In Minnesota you only need to have the land
owners permission to land off airport. And to license a private strip is not
much more difficult unless the neighbors are unfriendly.
>Does the keel make much of a difference when landing? Is there much more
of a tendency to ground loop?
>Also, has anyone landed on pavement with a skid? What can I expect if I try
this?
>
>Thanks, Greg
>
>>>> Earl Myers 07/06 9:08 AM >>>
>It sounded as tho I was the only one doing it the "Hard way" as it takes
>some forthought regards to landing choices and so forth. The only Piets I
>have flown in were skids/no brakes. Without the keel on the skidplate, it
is
>very easy to manuver and turn. With the skid keel, what a chore!
>Earl Myers
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)startribune.com>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 10:10 AM
>Subject: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
>
>
>>
>>
>>>>> Earl Myers 07/04 12:10 PM >>>
>>ROBERT in Uvalde, Texas !
>> Robert, I found the box with misc "schtuff" in it that contained the old
>GN-1 plans. In that box was the envelope post marked in the mid seventies
>from John Grega but the plans are dated 1992! I must have traded the plans
>to a fella like you that had an older GN-1.............I do now remember
>meeting two guys with an older GN-1........anyways, I will continue to keep
>an eye out for old GN-1 plans whever I go..........
>>Earl Myers
>>
>>PS: For the Piet guys, in the above box was a single blueprint drawn by
>Orrin Hoopman (way back) for a widened Piet Scout fuselage with upgraded
>metal fittings...........?!? dated 2-23-32
>>
>>
>>IS ANYONE OUT THERE BUILDING A PIET OF ANY TYPE WITH A TAILSKID AND NO
>BRAKES????????
>>
>>Earl,
>>I am building a long fuselage, Cont. 65 powered Air Camper with a tail
skid
>and no brakes. Why do you ask?
>>
>>Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Oshkosh-Last Call |
>
> Dear Group- ANYONE who might even remotely think they will be able
to fly thier Piet/GN-1/Scout into Oshkosh with us on Weds, July 28th needs
to do the following: (unless you already have done so)
>
> The deadline for no radio wavier postcards is July 10th.
>
> Here's what you need to do as quickly as possible to be legal:
>
> SEND a postcard to EAA AVIATION CENTER
>
> On the back you need to write the following info:
>
> - Pilot's Name
> -Pilots Signature
> -A/C Type
> -A/C Color
> -N-Number
> -Address
>
> and the word NORDO and video requested.
>
> Also if you haven't already, please review the info Grant has
> posted on our mass fly-in here:
>
> http://users.aol.com/bpanews/osh99.html
All the best,
Michael Cuy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Vintage GN-1 plans |
When I was with the Air Cadets, we used to have the same problem with the
skid in front of the wheel on our 2-33A gliders. On landing, any amount of
braking would put the nose skid on the runway where you would grind to a
halt. To reduce the chance of a fire caused by the shower of sparks cast
up on the fabric, a hard nylon strip about 3/8"- 1/2" was applied over the
metal skid. Braking power was about the same but hte noise and sparks were
reduced. The nylon skid was also a LOT cheaper than the factory metal
skid. Maybe something similar could be added to the skid.
Ken
On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Earl Myers wrote:
> If you land a keel on asphalt, it carves a nice slice wherever you have
> been, instant hot water with the strip owner! The ski is ok but it gets
> ground somewhat and the ship is a bit squirrely and DOESN't stop very well.
> Frank has had to hop out and grab the ship on more than one occasion to stop
> it as some of the strips (grass) weren't that level.
> Gotta run for now.....
> Earl Myers
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Sayre, William G" <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com> |
Somewhere I heard of a Piet that had a socket on the skid that would except a wire
brush. The wires gave good braking on grass and wouldn't throw sparks or
ruin pavement. I remember that the brush had to be replaced fairly often (if
used on pavement a lot) but the price and availability of "standard" wire brushes
at a local hardware store made it viable.
Kinda like axe handles for lower wings on old bi-planes.
Bill Sayre
"Life is a do-it-yourself project!"
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | [Fwd: Corvair Listserver] |
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Here's a Corvair list that just started.
If you are interested, join in.
Pat
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:20:12 -0500
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Glen Shearer <glen.shearer(at)usm.edu> |
| Subject: | Corvair Listserver |
Hi Pat,
OK.....lets see how a Corvair list "flies". Below is the info about how to
subscribe. I'm also going to post this to the Dfly list.
I have just set up the list called CorvAIRCRAFT. You can subscribe by
sending a message to the following address
majordomo(at)listserv.usm.edu
with "subscribe corvaircraft" in the body of the message.
Posts can be sent to the listserve at this address
corvaircraft(at)usm.edu
We should have several members sign up in the next few days. In a day or
two, please send a post to the list to introduce yourself. Also, to help
get the ball rolling, feel free to post whatever Corvair conversion
questions, comments, etc. that you have.
If you know of anyone else who might be interested in Corvair conversions,
please tell them about the CorvAIRCRAFT list.
thanks,
Glen
...
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Hannan <khannan(at)gte.net> |
Michael D Cuy
Can you tell me what the dimensions and material used for you great looking
hubs
also the diameter and the number of spoke holes? also what type of tube did
you use for the axle and any thing you might do deferent next time. If I
make up some drawings I have access to a Haas mill and a man to run it, hope
to have my fuselage on wheels buy the in of the year
Thank You
Ken Hannan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve W <vistin(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vintage GN-1 plans |
Steve wrote:
I am really interested in this skid too. Got ant drawings??
Steve
>It sounded as tho I was the only one doing it the "Hard way" as it
>takes
>some forthought regards to landing choices and so forth. The only
>Piets I
>have flown in were skids/no brakes. Without the keel on the skidplate,
>it is
>very easy to manuver and turn. With the skid keel, what a chore!
>Earl Myers
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)startribune.com>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 10:10 AM
>Subject: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
>
>
>>
>>
>>>>> Earl Myers 07/04 12:10 PM >>>
>>ROBERT in Uvalde, Texas !
>> Robert, I found the box with misc "schtuff" in it that contained the
>old
>GN-1 plans. In that box was the envelope post marked in the mid
>seventies
>from John Grega but the plans are dated 1992! I must have traded the
>plans
>to a fella like you that had an older GN-1.............I do now
>remember
>meeting two guys with an older GN-1........anyways, I will continue to
>keep
>an eye out for old GN-1 plans whever I go..........
>>Earl Myers
>>
>>PS: For the Piet guys, in the above box was a single blueprint drawn
>by
>Orrin Hoopman (way back) for a widened Piet Scout fuselage with
>upgraded
>metal fittings...........?!? dated 2-23-32
>>
>>
>>IS ANYONE OUT THERE BUILDING A PIET OF ANY TYPE WITH A TAILSKID AND
>NO
>BRAKES????????
>>
>>Earl,
>>I am building a long fuselage, Cont. 65 powered Air Camper with a
>tail skid
>and no brakes. Why do you ask?
>>
>>Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis
>>
>>
>
Jes maken "WoodChips" heah in Missippippi!
url= http://www2.misnet.com/~vistin
email= vistin(at)juno.com
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
>
> Michael D Cuy
>
> Can you tell me what the dimensions and material used for you great looking
> hubs
> also the diameter and the number of spoke holes? also what type of tube did
> you use for the axle and any thing you might do deferent next time. If I make
> up some drawings I have access to a Haas mill and a man to run it, hope to
> have my fuselage on wheels buy the in of the year
>
> Thank You
>
> Ken Hannan
>
Ken- I machined some 4" diameter x 1/8" thick stainless steel for the hub ends,
then
welded those onto a 6" long s/s tube. I forget the wall thickness of the tube.
The axle as I recall was 0.22" thick 4130 chromolly from Dillsburg Aero in
Dillsburg
PA. 717-432-4589. 1.5" o.d. with standard axle nuts and cotter pinned.
Flanged oil-lite sintered
bronze bushings to fit the hubs and axle. (visit Bearings, Inc. now called
Applied
Industrial Technologies or your local bearing dealer near home) Made my gear
wider than plans....forget exactly. Maybe 4" wider ? I used 40 spoke
aluminum
rims 19" x 3.5 found after going to 5 to 8 motorcycle shops all over northern
Ohio.
They were undrilled. I would go the same route again.
One note- for the wide a/c hubs use all 'inner' spokes, not the inner/outer
alternating method seen on some bikes. This avoids the 'root' of the spoke
from
rubbing or bending over your flange from the outside. If you make them all
'inner' spokes this won't create a potential problem. Took lots of
measurements
and photos of how other guys did theirs and made my own conclusions.
So far, so good :)) I took the rims and hub to the local cycle shop and he
faxed my dimensions out to Buchannen's Frame Shop in CA and they rolled
80 stainless 8 gauge spokes for my application. My Piet weighs probably 1/2
what a Goldwing does. 632 lbs. I've seen many guys use stock mocycle wheels
and brakes with no problems, but have been told that wider hubs are the wiser
choice for resisting side loads, ground loops and your basic 'fold them over
like an inside-out umbrella mode'. Building the wheels was an education unto
itself. I have about $ 600 into rims, tires, tubes, axle, spokes, nipples,
etc.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: engine mount question |
Mike,
I'm building the long fuse. What's the problem? Will I need more?
walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Brusilow <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net>
Date: Monday, July 05, 1999 6:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine mount question
This is to all of you experienced guys who have fought through the
W/B for a 65 Cont.
I have started to make some brackets, and thinking about the mount.
Everyone talks of the Aircamper being tail heavy as a rule.
I'm 220#, and planned on adding 1" to the mount. Does this sound
right to you guys? The rest of the plane will be made per prints.
thanks,
walt evans>>>
Walt, are you building the long or short fuselage? If it's the
long, I think you are going to have a problem.
Mike B -Piet N6876MB ( Mr Sam )
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: engine mount question |
understanding was that, if you use a Continental, make the long
fuselage and the mount per his plans, ( all plans gotten from Pietenpol
family) , you were pretty much in the ballpark. Just figured I'd just
have to fudge for my weight.
walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov>
Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 10:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine mount question
This is to all of you experienced guys who have fought through the
W/B for a 65 Cont.
I have started to make some brackets, and thinking about the mount.
Everyone talks of the Aircamper being tail heavy as a rule.
I'm 220#, and planned on adding 1" to the mount. Does this sound
right to you guys? The rest of the plane will be made per prints.
thanks,
walt evans
Walt- I'm 205 w/ a short fuse Piet. I added one inch also but to do it
over would
go 2". My wings are aft 4" of upright. Nose fuel, 17 gals. Flies
wonderful until
you get down to about 7 gals, then a little tail heavy.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: engine mount question |
Copinfo,
Did you make the long fuselage?
walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Copinfo <Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 11:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine mount question
I just finsihed putting an A-65 on my Piet. I made the mount 4 inches
longer than the plans. It flys well but still needs forward trim.
-----Original Message-----
From: walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net>
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Monday, July 05, 1999 3:09 PM
Subject: engine mount question
This is to all of you experienced guys who have fought through the
W/B for a 65 Cont.
I have started to make some brackets, and thinking about the mount.
Everyone talks of the Aircamper being tail heavy as a rule.
I'm 220#, and planned on adding 1" to the mount. Does this sound
right to you guys? The rest of the plane will be made per prints.
thanks,
walt evans
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Hannan <khannan(at)gte.net> |
Michael
And 8 gages spoke dia. is .1285 what dia. hole did you drill in the hub
flange?
it looks like the hole would have to be large enough for the bend to go
though?
Thanks for the quick response
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D Cuy
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: Hubs
Michael D Cuy
Can you tell me what the dimensions and material used for you great
looking hubs
also the diameter and the number of spoke holes? also what type of tube
did you use for the axle and any thing you might do deferent next time. If I
make up some drawings I have access to a Haas mill and a man to run it, hope
to have my fuselage on wheels buy the in of the year
Thank You
Ken Hannan
Ken- I machined some 4" diameter x 1/8" thick stainless steel for the hub
ends, then
welded those onto a 6" long s/s tube. I forget the wall thickness of the
tube.
The axle as I recall was 0.22" thick 4130 chromolly from Dillsburg Aero in
Dillsburg
PA. 717-432-4589. 1.5" o.d. with standard axle nuts and cotter pinned.
Flanged oil-lite sintered
bronze bushings to fit the hubs and axle. (visit Bearings, Inc. now
called Applied
Industrial Technologies or your local bearing dealer near home) Made my
gear
wider than plans....forget exactly. Maybe 4" wider ? I used 40 spoke
aluminum
rims 19" x 3.5 found after going to 5 to 8 motorcycle shops all over
northern Ohio.
They were undrilled. I would go the same route again.
One note- for the wide a/c hubs use all 'inner' spokes, not the
inner/outer
alternating method seen on some bikes. This avoids the 'root' of the
spoke from
rubbing or bending over your flange from the outside. If you make them
all
'inner' spokes this won't create a potential problem. Took lots of
measurements
and photos of how other guys did theirs and made my own conclusions.
So far, so good :)) I took the rims and hub to the local cycle shop and
he
faxed my dimensions out to Buchannen's Frame Shop in CA and they rolled
80 stainless 8 gauge spokes for my application. My Piet weighs probably
1/2
what a Goldwing does. 632 lbs. I've seen many guys use stock mocycle
wheels
and brakes with no problems, but have been told that wider hubs are the
wiser
choice for resisting side loads, ground loops and your basic 'fold them
over
like an inside-out umbrella mode'. Building the wheels was an education
unto
itself. I have about $ 600 into rims, tires, tubes, axle, spokes,
nipples, etc.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: New feature/video on AirCamper.org |
Im not sure, anyone?
--- mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
> Richard,
>
> Great work, as usual. On the new video front page, whose Air Camper
> is
> pictured fourth down from the top, in the right hand column?
>
> Mark Boynton
> Gilbert, AZ
>
>
> > Great video Richard, but you need to dirty up your workshop!
> >
> >
> > >From: Richard DeCosta
> > >Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >Subject: New feature/video on AirCamper.org
> > >Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 10:53:58 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >New: Site Map; Find your way around the site
> > >http://www.aircamper.org/SiteMap.cfm
> > >
> > >plus one new MPEG view, a walk-around of my fuselage:
> > >http://www.aircamper.org/videos.cfm
> > >
> > >Enjoy,
> > >Richard
> > >===
> > >"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to
> fly?
> Just
> > >how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim
> Tavenner
> > >---------------------------------------------------------
> > >Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> > >---------------------------------------------------------
> > >My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Larry Ragan
> > Jacksonville, Fl.
> > lragan(at)hotmail.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________
>
===
"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how
in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
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| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
Richard;
I have to ask. What was the hand gestures in the
video I assume you were doing a voice over,
without a voice.
Thanks
Bill
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| From: | rdecosta(at)autoeurope.com (Richard DeCosta) |
| Subject: | Re: Slight of hand |
Yeah. In the VHS Im speaking, but decided not to capture audio to save space
in the MPEG. Is a little confusing, eh?
----- Original Message -----
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| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 5:36 PM
> Richard;
>
> I have to ask. What was the hand gestures in the
> video I assume you were doing a voice over,
> without a voice.
>
> Thanks
> Bill
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New feature/video on AirCamper.org |
I believe the grey Corvair powered ship is Duane Tulba's. Is that the one
you're talking about?
--Peter
aircamper(at)yahoo.com on 07/06/99 02:30:00 PM
cc: (bcc: Peter P Frantz/West/Aerospace/US)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New feature/video on AirCamper.org
Im not sure, anyone?
--- mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
> Richard,
>
> Great work, as usual. On the new video front page, whose Air Camper
> is
> pictured fourth down from the top, in the right hand column?
>
> Mark Boynton
> Gilbert, AZ
>
>
> > Great video Richard, but you need to dirty up your workshop!
> >
> >
> > >From: Richard DeCosta
> > >Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >Subject: New feature/video on AirCamper.org
> > >Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 10:53:58 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >New: Site Map; Find your way around the site
> > >http://www.aircamper.org/SiteMap.cfm
> > >
> > >plus one new MPEG view, a walk-around of my fuselage:
> > >http://www.aircamper.org/videos.cfm
> > >
> > >Enjoy,
> > >Richard
> > >===
> > >"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to
> fly?
> Just
> > >how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim
> Tavenner
> > >---------------------------------------------------------
> > >Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> > >---------------------------------------------------------
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Larry Ragan
> > Jacksonville, Fl.
> > lragan(at)hotmail.com
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________________
>
===
"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how
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| Subject: | RE: Slight of hand |
I was wondering about the two piece floor... Wassup with that?
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Richard DeCosta
> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 3:43 PM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Slight of hand
>
>
> Yeah. In the VHS Im speaking, but decided not to capture
> audio to save space
> in the MPEG. Is a little confusing, eh?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 5:36 PM
> Subject: Slight of hand
>
>
> > Richard;
> >
> > I have to ask. What was the hand gestures in the
> > video I assume you were doing a voice over,
> > without a voice.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Bill
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Our route to C37! |
Duane and I got together to plan our trip. If you would like to take a look
at our route check out:
http://www.airnav.com/cgi-bin/fuel-route?U77-VEL-RKS-RWL-LAR-IBM-OGA-LXN-JYR
-HNR-HPT-73C-C37-HXF-OSH
Feel free to join up with us at any point! 1100nm Whoa boy....!
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
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| Subject: | RE: Our route to C37! |
Trying again.
http://www.airnav.com/cgi-bin/fuel-route?U77-VEL-RKS-RWL-LAR-IBM-OGA-LXN-JYR
-HNR-HPT-73C-C37-HXF-OSH
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> steve(at)byu.edu
> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 4:38 PM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Our route to C37!
>
>
> Duane and I got together to plan our trip. If you would like
> to take a look
> at our route check out:
>
>
http://www.airnav.com/cgi-bin/fuel-route?U77-VEL-RKS-RWL-LAR-IBM-OGA-LXN-JYR
-HNR-HPT-73C-C37-HXF-OSH
>
> Feel free to join up with us at any point! 1100nm Whoa boy....!
>
> Steve Eldredge
> IT Services
> Brigham Young University
>
>
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| Subject: | Model A engine photos |
Hello
I had a request for Model A engine photos. I dug out my pictures from
Oshkosh 89 and scanned several pictures of the Piet that Ed Sampson,
hope I
got the spelling correct, built for Pietenpol Hangar.
You can see them at
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/7827/
Please let me know if this kind of picture helps.
Mike Madrid
My other =93x-rated=94 page http://www.thegrid.net/camera-man/index.h=
tm
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| Subject: | Re: Our route to C37! |
Hello
Not a bad trip. From Lompoc Ca, SPANISH FORK UT is half way there. I have
made the trip 3 times in my Flybaby, twice in a C-150 and once in Ed Brady's
Stinson 108. This time I have to drive.
Mike Madrid
-----Original Message-----
From: steve(at)byu.edu
Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 3:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Our route to C37!
>
>Duane and I got together to plan our trip. If you would like to take a
look
>at our route check out:
>
>http://www.airnav.com/cgi-bin/fuel-route?U77-VEL-RKS-RWL-LAR-IBM-OGA-LXN-JY
R
>-HNR-HPT-73C-C37-HXF-OSH
>
>Feel free to join up with us at any point! 1100nm Whoa boy....!
>
>Steve Eldredge
>IT Services
>Brigham Young University
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Slight of hand |
It's called not being able to find a place with a single piece long
enough for a one-piece floor. Is that bad???
--- steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> I was wondering about the two piece floor... Wassup with that?
>
> Steve Eldredge
> IT Services
> Brigham Young University
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> Of
> > Richard DeCosta
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 3:43 PM
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: Re: Slight of hand
> >
> >
> > Yeah. In the VHS Im speaking, but decided not to capture
> > audio to save space
> > in the MPEG. Is a little confusing, eh?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net>
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 5:36 PM
> > Subject: Slight of hand
> >
> >
> > > Richard;
> > >
> > > I have to ask. What was the hand gestures in the
> > > video I assume you were doing a voice over,
> > > without a voice.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
===
"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how
in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
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| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: AGAIN I ASK??!! |
I've seen direct drive ea-81 engines that perform well on gyro copters
they are very smooth and Ive heard that they are reliable.
Again as Ive said there are countless articles availiable from
the EAA and a monthly article dedicated to the ea-81
in the experimenter, back issues were about a buck and a half!
If you use the EA-81 on the Piet you'll need a redrive
to slow the prop down.
----- Original Message -----
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| From: | Steve W <vistin(at)juno.com> |
Sent: Friday, June 25, 1999 9:09 PM
> Steve writes "AGAIN"!
> Is anyone using a Soob EA-81 for power? Did you use a redrive? How does
> it perform then.
>
> Steve
>
> Jes maken "WoodChips" heah in Missippippi!
> url= http://www2.misnet.com/~vistin
> email= vistin(at)juno.com
>
> __________
>
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| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: AGAIN I ASK??!! |
Yes with a redrive!
----- Original Message -----
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| From: | <HotelPaPa6(at)aol.com> |
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 1999 12:46 PM
| Subject: | Re: AGAIN I ASK??!! |
> I am building a GN-1 and am wondering about the subaru engine also. Has it
> been done.
> Thanks
> Tom
>
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| From: | Craig Lawler <clawler(at)ptd.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Vintage GN-1 plans |
x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"
Steve,
I just broke a tail wheel bolt last week. We were landing at a grass
strip near home and dropped it in from a couple of feet. No big deal and
the bolt that holds the wheel assembly on the leaf spring broke. Good
thing to check at each annual.
Craig
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| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
Mike,
Another good plywood is Baltic birch I can get it
here cheap. Ply wouldn't have to be on both
sides all the way to the wing tip this could save you
some weight. There are places on the net that list
plywood characteristics if you'll search on the right
word you'll find them.
I here you comment on the Scottish Highlands
are you possibly from there ?
----- Original Message -----
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| From: | Mike Bell <mbell(at)sctcorp.com> |
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 1999 5:51 PM
>
>
> I don't have any numbers on phillipine mahogany. Initial plans
> are for two skins of 1/8 aircraft grade birch plywood and 3/4 x
> 3/4 spruce or fir top and bottom. I haven't had time to work it
> all through yet. I expect that it can be lightened from that and
> still equal or exceed solid spruce. Let me know where you got
> the numbers for the phillipine mahogany from. I've always
> thought of it as somwhere between balsa and honduras mahogany,
> but much closer to the balsa end of the spectrum.
>
> Mike Bell
> Columbia, SC
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Steve W on 07/02/99 10:25:46 PM
>
> Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> cc:
> Subject: Re: Spars
>
>
> Steve wrote:
> I plan on building box spars too using Luan Philippine mahogany
> as the
> front and rear skins. I calculate they will save about 18lbs over
> the
> solid spars.
> What other ideas are you using to save weoght.
> Steve
>
> writes:
> >
> >
> >I have been planning to do just that. The price of a solid
> >spruce spar along with the additional strength to weight of a
> >built up plywood and spruce spar seems to make it a good idea.
> >I'm looking at just matching the strength of the solid spar,
> >which will make it a little lighter and also stiffer.
> >
> >Mike Bell
> >Columbia, SC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >lolata on 07/01/99 12:56:17 PM
> >
> >Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
> >
> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >cc:
> >Subject: Re: Spars
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Hi Guys
> >
> >Has anyone ever seen or built a Piet wing with type "box" spars
> ?
> >
> >Luis Lolata
> >
> >lolata(at)sercomtel.com.br
> >
> >www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/1227
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Jes maken "WoodChips" heah in Missippippi!
> url= http://www2.misnet.com/~vistin
> email= vistin(at)juno.com
>
> __________
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Ted Brousseau <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
| Subject: | RE: Our route to C37! |
Steve,
How do you do it? My flight plan has a tentative first stop and after that
it is open to anything east of the Mississippi, depending on wind and weather.
See ya there.
Ted
Naples, FL
>Trying again.
>
>http://www.airnav.com/cgi-bin/fuel-route?U77-VEL-RKS-RWL-LAR-IBM-OGA-LXN-JYR
>-HNR-HPT-73C-C37-HXF-OSH
>
>Steve Eldredge
>IT Services
>Brigham Young University
>>
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| From: | Ted Brousseau <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 12 V DC Fuel Transfer Pump |
Bert,
How did the sale go? I was off the net for a couple of days and didn't get
to check.
Where do lyou fly out of? I fly into TLH but see that there is another
field just north. Know anything about that one?
Ted
Naples
>
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| From: | Ted Brousseau <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
| Subject: | Re: OSH camping update? |
Mike,
I got the notam and video today.
Two questions. Do we know what sign we need to put in our "windshields" for
parking? I would like to make it up before leaving here.
Is there a special procedure/permission for no transponder flights around
the Chicago area? I thought I remembered someone talking about that last year.
Thanks,
Ted
Getting pumped in Florida
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| Subject: | Re: Vintage GN-1 plans |
I ment to add that we were going to put aluminum or teflon pads on the skid
pad so that we could replace them....never got around to them yet.
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 1:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
>When I was with the Air Cadets, we used to have the same problem with the
>skid in front of the wheel on our 2-33A gliders. On landing, any amount of
>braking would put the nose skid on the runway where you would grind to a
>halt. To reduce the chance of a fire caused by the shower of sparks cast
>up on the fabric, a hard nylon strip about 3/8"- 1/2" was applied over the
>metal skid. Braking power was about the same but hte noise and sparks were
>reduced. The nylon skid was also a LOT cheaper than the factory metal
>skid. Maybe something similar could be added to the skid.
>
>Ken
>
>On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Earl Myers wrote:
>
>> If you land a keel on asphalt, it carves a nice slice wherever you have
>> been, instant hot water with the strip owner! The ski is ok but it gets
>> ground somewhat and the ship is a bit squirrely and DOESN't stop very
well.
>> Frank has had to hop out and grab the ship on more than one occasion to
stop
>> it as some of the strips (grass) weren't that level.
>> Gotta run for now.....
>> Earl Myers
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vintage GN-1 plans |
Steve;
Was this request for my ski type skid plate on my Scout? If so, I will
sketch it up and send it to you. Advise
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve W <vistin(at)juno.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 3:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
>Steve wrote:
>I am really interested in this skid too. Got ant drawings??
>
>Steve
>
>>It sounded as tho I was the only one doing it the "Hard way" as it
>>takes
>>some forthought regards to landing choices and so forth. The only
>>Piets I
>>have flown in were skids/no brakes. Without the keel on the skidplate,
>>it is
>>very easy to manuver and turn. With the skid keel, what a chore!
>>Earl Myers
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)startribune.com>
>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 10:10 AM
>>Subject: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Earl Myers 07/04 12:10 PM >>>
>>>ROBERT in Uvalde, Texas !
>>> Robert, I found the box with misc "schtuff" in it that contained the
>>old
>>GN-1 plans. In that box was the envelope post marked in the mid
>>seventies
>>from John Grega but the plans are dated 1992! I must have traded the
>>plans
>>to a fella like you that had an older GN-1.............I do now
>>remember
>>meeting two guys with an older GN-1........anyways, I will continue to
>>keep
>>an eye out for old GN-1 plans whever I go..........
>>>Earl Myers
>>>
>>>PS: For the Piet guys, in the above box was a single blueprint drawn
>>by
>>Orrin Hoopman (way back) for a widened Piet Scout fuselage with
>>upgraded
>>metal fittings...........?!? dated 2-23-32
>>>
>>>
>>>IS ANYONE OUT THERE BUILDING A PIET OF ANY TYPE WITH A TAILSKID AND
>>NO
>>BRAKES????????
>>>
>>>Earl,
>>>I am building a long fuselage, Cont. 65 powered Air Camper with a
>>tail skid
>>and no brakes. Why do you ask?
>>>
>>>Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Jes maken "WoodChips" heah in Missippippi!
>url= http://www2.misnet.com/~vistin
>email= vistin(at)juno.com
>
>
>
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| From: | CALLAIR(at)cybersol.com (Carpenter, Joel) |
| Subject: | Fw: Slick Mag $15 rotation?? |
several years ago, at Brodhead, there was a model A piet that had a magneto
mounted onto the side of the engine, where the governer was mounted on the
truck and industrial model A engines. if you run the mag from the
crankshaft, as the origional piet was, you do need a left rotation mag. if
you put the mag on the engine to run from the camshaft gear, as the
governer did, you can get by with a right rotation, as the mag is mounted
with the distributor cap toward the propeller. from the cockpit, the
crankshaft would rotate clockwise, driving the camshaft counter-clockwise.
the cam would then drive the mag clockwise, but with the mag drive also
facing the cockpit, it would drive in the correct rotation. i took several
pictures of this installation, and will try to locate them and bring to
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Slick Mag $15 rotation??
> Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 2:17 AM
>
> Hello
> I received my $15 mags, Slick model number is 4220. It look like it turns
> the wrong way for Model A. I think the Model A need a left rotation,
these
> are right rotation. Help?
> Mike Madrid
> http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/7827/
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Slick Mag $15 rotation?? |
Hello
Thanks for the information. I did purchase a "run out" Slick magneto for the
core charge and for test fitting.
I made the parts to hook it up to the model A per plans. To test it out, the
mag drive, I used my lathe to drive the mag and this "run out" mag knocked
me on my butt. I may end up using it. If it isn't too hard to adapt, I may
use the the right rotation mag as you suggested.
Mike Madrid
>several years ago, at Brodhead, there was a model A piet that had a magneto
>mounted onto the side of the engine, where the governer was mounted on the
>truck and industrial model A engines. if you run the mag from the
>crankshaft, as the origional piet was, you do need a left rotation mag. if
>you put the mag on the engine to run from the camshaft gear, as the
>governer did, you can get by with a right rotation, as the mag is mounted
>with the distributor cap toward the propeller. from the cockpit, the
>crankshaft would rotate clockwise, driving the camshaft counter-clockwise.
>the cam would then drive the mag clockwise, but with the mag drive also
>facing the cockpit, it would drive in the correct rotation. i took several
>pictures of this installation, and will try to locate them and bring to
>
>
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Subject: Slick Mag $15 rotation??
>> Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 2:17 AM
>>
>> Hello
>> I received my $15 mags, Slick model number is 4220. It look like it turns
>> the wrong way for Model A. I think the Model A need a left rotation,
>these
>> are right rotation. Help?
>> Mike Madrid
>> http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/7827/
>
>
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| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
>
> Michael
>
> And 8 gages spoke dia. is .1285 what dia. hole did you drill in the hub
> flange?
> it looks like the hole would have to be large enough for the bend to go
> though?
>
> Thanks for the quick response
> Ken
Ken- I have the size hole I drilled at home on a sketch. I'm sure it was just
barely enough to get the straight end of the spoke thru. I also countersunk
the holes on the outside face of the hubs to conform with the countersunk
shape of the spoke end.
Mike C.
Michael
And 8 gages spoke dia. is .1285 what dia. hole did you drill in the hub
flange?
it looks like the hole would have to be large enough for the bend to go
though?
Thanks for the quick response
Ken
Ken- I have the size hole I drilled at home on a sketch. I'm sure
it was just
barely enough to get the straight end of the spoke thru. I also
countersunk
the holes on the outside face of the hubs to conform with the
countersunk
shape of the spoke end.
Mike C.
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| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: OSH camping update? |
>Mike,
>
>I got the notam and video today.
>
>Two questions. Do we know what sign we need to put in our "windshields" for
>parking? I would like to make it up before leaving here.
>
Ted- Last year's package had a yellow paper included with a big T on one side
for 'takeoff' and a big P on the other for parking. The way they have things
organized
so well I never did need to show my sign, but had it with me anyway.
Especially with our group being a highlight of the show, they will for sure
direct
all of us to the reserved parking we have.
>Is there a special procedure/permission for no transponder flights around
>the Chicago area? I thought I remembered someone talking about that last
year.
Ted- Don't know about this one. I just stayed under the rings of the airspace
and
went well out around the west side of Chicago. Pretty easy really. Just watch
for new towers that just might not be on your charts. Surprise, surprise !
Mike C.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Ted
>Getting pumped in Florida
>
Mike,
I got the notam and video today.
Two questions. Do we know what sign we need to put in our
windshields for
parking? I would like to make it up before leaving here.
Ted- Last year's package had a yellow paper included with a big T on
one side
for 'takeoff' and a big P on the other for parking. The way they
have things organized
so well I never did need to show my sign, but had it with me
anyway.
Especially with our group being a highlight of the show, they will for
sure direct
all of us to the reserved parking we have.
Is there a special procedure/permission for no transponder
flights around
the Chicago area? I thought I remembered someone talking about
that last year.
Ted- Don't know about this one. I just stayed under the rings of
the airspace and
went well out around the west side of Chicago. Pretty easy
really. Just watch
for new towers that just might not be on your charts.
Surprise, surprise !
Mike C.
Thanks,
Ted
Getting pumped in Florida
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| From: | Ted Brousseau <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
| Subject: | Re: OSH camping update? |
>Ted- Don't know about this one. I just stayed under the rings of the airspace
>and
>went well out around the west side of Chicago. Pretty easy really. Just watch
>for new towers that just might not be on your charts. Surprise, surprise !
>>
Mike,
I know how do avoid Class B airspace, but was not sure about the mode C
part. I have never flown into a mode C ring in an ac without a transponder.
Did you get inside the mode C? If so, did you contact ATC even though you
were below the Class B airspace?
Ted
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| From: | John Greenlee <jgreenlee(at)morgan.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Vintage GN-1 plans |
Its funny you should mention that......
I've got a plate of 1/4" nylon on the bottom of my skid. Of course, I
haven't flown it yet but I'm hoping it will work ok.
JMG
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 12:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
>When I was with the Air Cadets, we used to have the same problem with the
>skid in front of the wheel on our 2-33A gliders. On landing, any amount of
>braking would put the nose skid on the runway where you would grind to a
>halt. To reduce the chance of a fire caused by the shower of sparks cast
>up on the fabric, a hard nylon strip about 3/8"- 1/2" was applied over the
>metal skid. Braking power was about the same but hte noise and sparks were
>reduced. The nylon skid was also a LOT cheaper than the factory metal
>skid. Maybe something similar could be added to the skid.
>
>Ken
>
>On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Earl Myers wrote:
>
>> If you land a keel on asphalt, it carves a nice slice wherever you have
>> been, instant hot water with the strip owner! The ski is ok but it gets
>> ground somewhat and the ship is a bit squirrely and DOESN't stop very
well.
>> Frank has had to hop out and grab the ship on more than one occasion to
stop
>> it as some of the strips (grass) weren't that level.
>> Gotta run for now.....
>> Earl Myers
>
>
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I never heard back after Steve's "wassup with the two-piece floor"
comment. Can someone verify that this is not going to cause me great
trouble, as I have to do the same thing with the fuse sides. I am
joining the two floor sections at the white ash piece, so there'll be a
nice solid 3-way joint, and the sides will join at a 1 x 3/4 spruce
piece.
Richard
===
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| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Chicago Airspace |
>Mike,
>
>I know how do avoid Class B airspace, but was not sure about the mode C
>part. I have never flown into a mode C ring in an ac without a transponder.
>Did you get inside the mode C? If so, did you contact ATC even though you
>were below the Class B airspace?
>
>Ted
>
Ted- Oh, I get it now. Duh ! Sorry, just had my coffee. I'm non-electric
so I don't need a mode C transponder in that type airspace. Between you
and me and the hundred other Piet people out there, I'd just turn everything
off but your mags and pretend you are non-electric. Enjoy the view
and stay west of Chicago. I don't carry a hand held or a gps. I have
my charts, compass and a pencil. Last year it was so severe clear that
I could still see the Chigaco skyline from the middle of Indiana.
Mike C. (hoping for clear skies)
Mike,
I know how do avoid Class B airspace, but was not sure about the mode
C
part. I have never flown into a mode C ring in an ac without a
transponder.
Did you get inside the mode C? If so, did you contact ATC even
though you
were below the Class B airspace?
Ted
Ted- Oh, I get it now. Duh ! Sorry, just had my
coffee. I'm non-electric
so I don't need a mode C transponder in that type airspace. Between
you
and me and the hundred other Piet people out there, I'd just turn
everything
off but your mags and pretend you are non-electric. Enjoy the
view
and stay west of Chicago. I don't carry a hand held or a
gps. I have
my charts, compass and a pencil. Last year it was so severe
clear that
I could still see the Chigaco skyline from the middle of Indiana.
Mike C. (hoping for clear skies)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mbell1(at)columbiaenergygroup.com |
Not in about 5 generations. But the taste for true "whiskey" seems to have
stayed in the blood.
Thanks for the tip about searching for plywood specs. I spend a lot of time on
the internet and still forget to search there sometimes.
Right about needing less material in the spar towards the tip. I hadn't thought
about leaving off the plywood altogether. I was also thinking about building
up an I-beam with plywood. since there are two spars the torsional
characteristics of the box are probably not necessary. I'll throw out what
ever I come up with as I do it. Probably in the form of an Excel sheet.
Mike Bell
Columbia, SC
Maiser(at)adena.byu.edu on 07/06/99 10:08:32 PM
Please respond to piet(at)byu.edu @ INTERNET
cc:
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spars
Mike,
Another good plywood is Baltic birch I can get it
here cheap. Ply wouldn't have to be on both
sides all the way to the wing tip this could save you
some weight. There are places on the net that list
plywood characteristics if you'll search on the right
word you'll find them.
I here you comment on the Scottish Highlands
are you possibly from there ?
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Bell <mbell(at)sctcorp.com> |
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 1999 5:51 PM
>
>
> I don't have any numbers on phillipine mahogany. Initial plans
> are for two skins of 1/8 aircraft grade birch plywood and 3/4 x
> 3/4 spruce or fir top and bottom. I haven't had time to work it
> all through yet. I expect that it can be lightened from that and
> still equal or exceed solid spruce. Let me know where you got
> the numbers for the phillipine mahogany from. I've always
> thought of it as somwhere between balsa and honduras mahogany,
> but much closer to the balsa end of the spectrum.
>
> Mike Bell
> Columbia, SC
>
>
> Steve W on 07/02/99 10:25:46 PM
>
> Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> cc:
> Subject: Re: Spars
>
>
> Steve wrote:
> I plan on building box spars too using Luan Philippine mahogany
> as the
> front and rear skins. I calculate they will save about 18lbs over
> the
> solid spars.
> What other ideas are you using to save weoght.
> Steve
>
> writes:
> >
> >
> >I have been planning to do just that. The price of a solid
> >spruce spar along with the additional strength to weight of a
> >built up plywood and spruce spar seems to make it a good idea.
> >I'm looking at just matching the strength of the solid spar,
> >which will make it a little lighter and also stiffer.
> >
> >Mike Bell
> >Columbia, SC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >lolata on 07/01/99 12:56:17 PM
> >
> >Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
> >
> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >cc:
> >Subject: Re: Spars
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Hi Guys
> >
> >Has anyone ever seen or built a Piet wing with type "box" spars
> ?
> >
> >Luis Lolata
> >
> >lolata(at)sercomtel.com.br
> >
> >www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/1227
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Jes maken "WoodChips" heah in Missippippi!
> url= http://www2.misnet.com/~vistin
> email= vistin(at)juno.com
>
> __________
>
>
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| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
If everyone shows who's on the list right now we should have
21 planes at Oshkosh. Whew !
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Randall Reihing <rreihing(at)eng.utoledo.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: OSH camping update? |
Hello,
Last year I flew from Toledo to Oshkosh in a 1948 T-Craft with no
transponder. Our formation of three aircraft transited Chicago's airspace
along the lake front about one mile out over the lake, 2000' msl (about
1500' agl). It was a fantastic view of Chicago on a clear day. We had
called Chicagos ATC at the Chicago TRACON, by telephone, one day prior to
the flight, and they gave us permission to transit the airspace with he
following conditions: 1. One aircraft would do all the talking with ATC
the same respective altitudes.
3. At least one aircraft had to have a working transponder.
4. Contact ATC by radio before entering the mode C veil.
All went very well. Departed our grass strip just outside Toledo and landed
at South bend, Indiana to refuel. Departed South Bend, contacted Chicago
ATC, recevied permission to proceed at an assigned altitude and a sqwak
code for the lead aircraft. We then flew directly over Gary, Indiana, east
of Chicago and proceeded along the lakefront one mile our over the lake.
Chicago ATC alerted all area aircraft to be aware of "a formation of three
aircraft, westbound, at 2000' msl". We passed Chicago's lakefront Meigs
Airfeild one mile to the north and watched a jet hold on the runway until
we were about three miles west of the airfield. Then he departed west and
turned north under our wing, disappearing into the distance.
We had to be very careful not to move to far to the northwest, while
following the lakefront and violate another airport's airspace. At a
predetermined landmark we turned directly west and proceeded to Watertown,
Wisconsin to refuel.
Would I do it again? Maybe. It was very busy and while the view was
spectacular the traffic level was awesome.
The return leg from Oshkosh was repeated in reverse order. However, when
Chicago ATC in the Chicago O'Hare tower began broadcasting the alert for
our formation of two aircraft (one had left two days earlier) the
controller stated we were a "flight of two aircraft headed west". In fact,
this time we were going east. Three separate times we called ATC and
informed them of our actual direction of westbound flight. Each time the
controller acknowledged our call and then broadcast his alert to watch for
a flight of two aircraft, westbound. The second time this happened we were
in front of the Sear's tower, over the lake, and a westbound Cessna 172
passed us, at our altitude, so close I could see the frames on the pilots
sunglasses. It was a tense moment. We called ATC again (the third time) to
alert the controller we were eastbound, not westbound. Just as we completed
the call, a flight of three AT-6 warbirds flew directly over us headed
northeast. They were not talking to Chicago ATC. The controller made
several attempts to contact them on our assigned frequency to no avail. The
controller then told us to be aware of the warbirds (after they had passed
us), and that they "are not talking to me". Then for the thrid time he told
everyone on our frequency that we were a westbound flight of two aircraft.
We were eastbound.
The 172 scared us. He was too close and it was obvious he was not looking
for a flight of two going east, while he was going west. As we approached
Gary, Indiana, eastbound, the controller finally realized what was going on
and apologized to our lead aircraft over the frequency stating that he was
"sorry for the confusion back there guys".
It was a memorable experience and the photos of Chicago are spectacular
that my passenger, also a pilot, was able to capture. But, even though the
lakefront route saved several hours I will probably go south of Chicago
next time.
Listening to the ATC controllers was like being at an auction. It was
non-stop talking. There appeared to be no time to even take a breath. It
was an incredible performance and I do not know how they were able to keep
everyone sorted out.
>)) (via Mercury MTS v1.44 (NDS)) (via Mercury MTS v1.44 (NDS)) (via
Mercury MTS v1.44 (NDS))
>Message-ID: <126E6034367(at)adena.byu.edu>
>
>
>>Ted- Don't know about this one. I just stayed under the rings of the
airspace
>>and
>>went well out around the west side of Chicago. Pretty easy really. Just
watch
>>for new towers that just might not be on your charts. Surprise, surprise !
>>>
>Mike,
>
>I know how do avoid Class B airspace, but was not sure about the mode C
>part. I have never flown into a mode C ring in an ac without a transponder.
>Did you get inside the mode C? If so, did you contact ATC even though you
>were below the Class B airspace?
>
>Ted
>
>
Randall Reihing
University of Toledo
College of Engineering
MIME Department
419-530-8244
FAX: 419-530-8206
E-Mail: rreihing(at)eng.utoledo.edu
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael King <mikek(at)nstar.net> |
Howdy,
I had a problem with my email program and have not received
ANY mail from the discussion group. I am wondering if maybe
I got dropped the list. If so, please put me back on......
Thanks
Mike King
Dallas, Texas
mikek(at)nstar.net
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| Subject: | RE: Our route to C37! |
Wow. That is impressive!
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Mike Madrid
> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 5:59 PM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Our route to C37!
>
>
> Hello
> Not a bad trip. From Lompoc Ca, SPANISH FORK UT is half way
> there. I have
> made the trip 3 times in my Flybaby, twice in a C-150 and
> once in Ed Brady's
> Stinson 108. This time I have to drive.
> Mike Madrid
> -----Original Message-----
> From: steve(at)byu.edu
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 3:37 PM
> Subject: Our route to C37!
>
>
> >
> >Duane and I got together to plan our trip. If you would
> like to take a
> look
> >at our route check out:
> >
> >http://www.airnav.com/cgi-bin/fuel-route?U77-VEL-RKS-RWL-LAR-
> IBM-OGA-LXN-JY
> R
> >-HNR-HPT-73C-C37-HXF-OSH
> >
> >Feel free to join up with us at any point! 1100nm Whoa boy....!
> >
> >Steve Eldredge
> >IT Services
> >Brigham Young University
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: two-piece floor |
Are you making the joints due to the fact that the plywood is to short? I
had the same problem, but I scarf jointed the pieces before gluing them to
the fuse. I would imagine that getting a good tight scarf joint (16 to 1)
would be much more difficult on the fuse. Butt joints would of course be a
comprimise to safety in a big way.
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Richard DeCosta
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 6:20 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: two-piece floor
>
>
> I never heard back after Steve's "wassup with the two-piece floor"
> comment. Can someone verify that this is not going to cause me great
> trouble, as I have to do the same thing with the fuse sides. I am
> joining the two floor sections at the white ash piece, so
> there'll be a
> nice solid 3-way joint, and the sides will join at a 1 x 3/4 spruce
> piece.
>
> Richard
> ===
> "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe
> to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this
> old?" - Jim Tavenner
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I think that I may have mentioned this before, but when I travel to Idaho, I
have to enter the mode c ring at SLC. This was a concern to me until I
called the controlling authority, (SLC tower supervisor) and she said that
if I have no electrical system, that I am exempt from the transponder rule
if I stay clear of the class B airspace. So far so good.
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Behalf Of Ted
> Brousseau
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 6:15 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: OSH camping update?
>
>
>
> >Ted- Don't know about this one. I just stayed under the
> rings of the airspace
> >and
> >went well out around the west side of Chicago. Pretty easy
> really. Just watch
> >for new towers that just might not be on your charts.
> Surprise, surprise !
> >>
> Mike,
>
> I know how do avoid Class B airspace, but was not sure about
> the mode C
> part. I have never flown into a mode C ring in an ac without
> a transponder.
> Did you get inside the mode C? If so, did you contact ATC
> even though you
> were below the Class B airspace?
>
> Ted
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: two-piece floor |
Any suggesions for scarf-joining the two pieces now that one of them is
firmly glued to the fuselage? Damn! A butt joint would be THAT bad in
that location?
--- steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> Are you making the joints due to the fact that the plywood is to
> short? I
> had the same problem, but I scarf jointed the pieces before gluing
> them to
> the fuse. I would imagine that getting a good tight scarf joint (16
> to 1)
> would be much more difficult on the fuse. Butt joints would of
> course be a
> comprimise to safety in a big way.
>
> Steve Eldredge
> IT Services
> Brigham Young University
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> Of
> > Richard DeCosta
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 6:20 AM
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: two-piece floor
> >
> >
> > I never heard back after Steve's "wassup with the two-piece floor"
> > comment. Can someone verify that this is not going to cause me
> great
> > trouble, as I have to do the same thing with the fuse sides. I am
> > joining the two floor sections at the white ash piece, so
> > there'll be a
> > nice solid 3-way joint, and the sides will join at a 1 x 3/4 spruce
> > piece.
> >
> > Richard
> > ===
> > "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe
> > to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this
> > old?" - Jim Tavenner
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
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> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: two-piece floor |
Richard,
Not to worry. I think you can get out of this one relativly easily. This
is what I'm thinking:
turn your fuse over.
Temporarily position a wooden brace underneath the edge of the plywood to be
scarfed to prevent any flexing.
Protect the longerons by wrapping them with a thin piece of Aluminum and
taped in place. (protecting the longerons is going to be very important)
Begin your scarf joint by marking a pencil line back from the edge. You
may consider just a 12-1 here and make it 3 inches.
Remove most of the material with a circular sander, or a hand plane. Finish
the detail cut with a very sharp low profile hand plane.
BTW plywood is nice to scarf because the layers of wood are a great
indicator of how straight your joint is.
Prepare your rear piece with an opposing scarf. Fit and glue in place all
at once. Make sure that your scarf joint is well wetted with glue. Clamp
it by covering the joint in wax paper and nail or better yet screw through
the joint in 3-4 places to tighten the joint until dry. If you use epoxy,
clean up any squeezeout after the epoxy gets to the green stage.
Once you are done you should be as good as new. Scarf the side panels in
the same way, (but before you attach them--Like I need to say that.) but
locate the joints in the forward end of the fuse box under a upright.
Hope that helps,
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Richard DeCosta
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 8:46 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: RE: two-piece floor
>
>
> Any suggesions for scarf-joining the two pieces now that one
> of them is
> firmly glued to the fuselage? Damn! A butt joint would be THAT bad in
> that location?
>
> --- steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> > Are you making the joints due to the fact that the plywood is to
> > short? I
> > had the same problem, but I scarf jointed the pieces before gluing
> > them to
> > the fuse. I would imagine that getting a good tight scarf joint (16
> > to 1)
> > would be much more difficult on the fuse. Butt joints would of
> > course be a
> > comprimise to safety in a big way.
> >
> > Steve Eldredge
> > IT Services
> > Brigham Young University
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > Of
> > > Richard DeCosta
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 6:20 AM
> > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > > Subject: two-piece floor
> > >
> > >
> > > I never heard back after Steve's "wassup with the two-piece floor"
> > > comment. Can someone verify that this is not going to cause me
> > great
> > > trouble, as I have to do the same thing with the fuse sides. I am
> > > joining the two floor sections at the white ash piece, so
> > > there'll be a
> > > nice solid 3-way joint, and the sides will join at a 1 x
> 3/4 spruce
> > > piece.
> > >
> > > Richard
> > > ===
> > > "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe
> > > to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this
> > > old?" - Jim Tavenner
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> ===
> "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe
> to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this
> old?" - Jim Tavenner
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>
>
>
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| From: | John Greenlee <jgreenlee(at)morgan.net> |
| Subject: | Re: two-piece floor |
Hmmm....
I have to admit I'm somewhat skeptical that a scarf joint is necessary here.
I've known of other Piets that had the sides at least butt-jointed behind an
upright member, and one that was butt-jointed with a doubler on the inside
(maybe one outside?) This one was built by an aeronautical engineer whom I
know to be extremely cautious on everything else I have seen him deal with.
I'd like to hear a little more discussion of the hows and whys of this. If
the scarf is important I'd be more educated by knowing why. Does anyone
else have input?
BTW I used a Baltic birch plywood for the sides and floor that is supposed
to meet a marine spec. I used the Finland GL-2 stuff for all gussets. The
Baltic stuff came in 8*4 sheets. Not 4*8 -- the grain ran crossways on the
faces. I bought it for the sides and floor as it was of sufficient size.
JMG
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard DeCosta
Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 9:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: two-piece floor
>Any suggesions for scarf-joining the two pieces now that one of them is
>firmly glued to the fuselage? Damn! A butt joint would be THAT bad in
>that location?
>
>--- steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
>> Are you making the joints due to the fact that the plywood is to
>> short? I
>> had the same problem, but I scarf jointed the pieces before gluing
>> them to
>> the fuse. I would imagine that getting a good tight scarf joint (16
>> to 1)
>> would be much more difficult on the fuse. Butt joints would of
>> course be a
>> comprimise to safety in a big way.
>>
>> Steve Eldredge
>> IT Services
>> Brigham Young University
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> Of
>> > Richard DeCosta
>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 6:20 AM
>> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> > Subject: two-piece floor
>> >
>> >
>> > I never heard back after Steve's "wassup with the two-piece floor"
>> > comment. Can someone verify that this is not going to cause me
>> great
>> > trouble, as I have to do the same thing with the fuse sides. I am
>> > joining the two floor sections at the white ash piece, so
>> > there'll be a
>> > nice solid 3-way joint, and the sides will join at a 1 x 3/4 spruce
>> > piece.
>> >
>> > Richard
>> > ===
>> > "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe
>> > to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this
>> > old?" - Jim Tavenner
>> > ---------------------------------------------------------
>> > Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
>> > ---------------------------------------------------------
>> > My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>===
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how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
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>
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| From: | John Duprey <duprey(at)excite.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: two-piece floor |
Well written Steve, Very easy to visaulize what you are proposing. As a long
time woodworker I agree that this would be the best way for Richard to do
it.
John Duprey
> Richard,
>
> Not to worry. I think you can get out of this one relativly easily.
This
> is what I'm thinking:
>
> turn your fuse over.
> Temporarily position a wooden brace underneath the edge of the plywood to
be
> scarfed to prevent any flexing.
> Protect the longerons by wrapping them with a thin piece of Aluminum and
> taped in place. (protecting the longerons is going to be very important)
> Begin your scarf joint by marking a pencil line back from the edge. You
> may consider just a 12-1 here and make it 3 inches.
> Remove most of the material with a circular sander, or a hand plane.
Finish
> the detail cut with a very sharp low profile hand plane.
>
> BTW plywood is nice to scarf because the layers of wood are a great
> indicator of how straight your joint is.
>
> Prepare your rear piece with an opposing scarf. Fit and glue in place
all
> at once. Make sure that your scarf joint is well wetted with glue.
Clamp
> it by covering the joint in wax paper and nail or better yet screw
through
> the joint in 3-4 places to tighten the joint until dry. If you use
epoxy,
> clean up any squeezeout after the epoxy gets to the green stage.
>
> Once you are done you should be as good as new. Scarf the side panels in
> the same way, (but before you attach them--Like I need to say that.) but
> locate the joints in the forward end of the fuse box under a upright.
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Steve Eldredge
> IT Services
> Brigham Young University
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Richard DeCosta
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 8:46 AM
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: RE: two-piece floor
> >
> >
> > Any suggesions for scarf-joining the two pieces now that one
> > of them is
> > firmly glued to the fuselage? Damn! A butt joint would be THAT bad in
> > that location?
> >
> > --- steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> > > Are you making the joints due to the fact that the plywood is to
> > > short? I
> > > had the same problem, but I scarf jointed the pieces before gluing
> > > them to
> > > the fuse. I would imagine that getting a good tight scarf joint (16
> > > to 1)
> > > would be much more difficult on the fuse. Butt joints would of
> > > course be a
> > > comprimise to safety in a big way.
> > >
> > > Steve Eldredge
> > > IT Services
> > > Brigham Young University
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Of
> > > > Richard DeCosta
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 6:20 AM
> > > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > > > Subject: two-piece floor
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I never heard back after Steve's "wassup with the two-piece floor"
> > > > comment. Can someone verify that this is not going to cause me
> > > great
> > > > trouble, as I have to do the same thing with the fuse sides. I am
> > > > joining the two floor sections at the white ash piece, so
> > > > there'll be a
> > > > nice solid 3-way joint, and the sides will join at a 1 x
> > 3/4 spruce
> > > > piece.
> > > >
> > > > Richard
> > > > ===
> > > > "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe
> > > > to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this
> > > > old?" - Jim Tavenner
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > > My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ===
> > "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe
> > to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this
> > old?" - Jim Tavenner
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > Visit http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
> >
> >
> >
"the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | fishin <fishin(at)wwa.com> |
| Subject: | Re: OSH camping update? |
a couple of weeks ago I was in a flight of two from Kenosha Wi to Chanute field
and took the
lake route thru Chicago and yes the view is great and the traffic has you on the
edge of your
seat...I can't imagine the city fathers wanting to close Miegs down as she acts
as a traffic
cop for their airspace...the lead plane in our group was picking up a passenger
from Miegs so
we joined them to take advantage of a potty stop----word of caution for those planning
the
same,,,,,that was a $20 potty stop!!!
(landing fee)
regards
JoeC
Zion, Illinois
Randall Reihing wrote:
> Hello,
> Last year I flew from Toledo to Oshkosh in a 1948 T-Craft with no
> transponder. Our formation of three aircraft transited Chicago's airspace
> along the lake front about one mile out over the lake, 2000' msl (about
> 1500' agl). It was a fantastic view of Chicago on a clear day. We had
> called Chicagos ATC at the Chicago TRACON, by telephone, one day prior to
> the flight, and they gave us permission to transit the airspace with he
> following conditions: 1. One aircraft would do all the talking with ATC
> the same respective altitudes.
> 3. At least one aircraft had to have a working transponder.
> 4. Contact ATC by radio before entering the mode C veil.
>
> All went very well. Departed our grass strip just outside Toledo and landed
> at South bend, Indiana to refuel. Departed South Bend, contacted Chicago
> ATC, recevied permission to proceed at an assigned altitude and a sqwak
> code for the lead aircraft. We then flew directly over Gary, Indiana, east
> of Chicago and proceeded along the lakefront one mile our over the lake.
> Chicago ATC alerted all area aircraft to be aware of "a formation of three
> aircraft, westbound, at 2000' msl". We passed Chicago's lakefront Meigs
> Airfeild one mile to the north and watched a jet hold on the runway until
> we were about three miles west of the airfield. Then he departed west and
> turned north under our wing, disappearing into the distance.
> We had to be very careful not to move to far to the northwest, while
> following the lakefront and violate another airport's airspace. At a
> predetermined landmark we turned directly west and proceeded to Watertown,
> Wisconsin to refuel.
>
> Would I do it again? Maybe. It was very busy and while the view was
> spectacular the traffic level was awesome.
>
> The return leg from Oshkosh was repeated in reverse order. However, when
> Chicago ATC in the Chicago O'Hare tower began broadcasting the alert for
> our formation of two aircraft (one had left two days earlier) the
> controller stated we were a "flight of two aircraft headed west". In fact,
> this time we were going east. Three separate times we called ATC and
> informed them of our actual direction of westbound flight. Each time the
> controller acknowledged our call and then broadcast his alert to watch for
> a flight of two aircraft, westbound. The second time this happened we were
> in front of the Sear's tower, over the lake, and a westbound Cessna 172
> passed us, at our altitude, so close I could see the frames on the pilots
> sunglasses. It was a tense moment. We called ATC again (the third time) to
> alert the controller we were eastbound, not westbound. Just as we completed
> the call, a flight of three AT-6 warbirds flew directly over us headed
> northeast. They were not talking to Chicago ATC. The controller made
> several attempts to contact them on our assigned frequency to no avail. The
> controller then told us to be aware of the warbirds (after they had passed
> us), and that they "are not talking to me". Then for the thrid time he told
> everyone on our frequency that we were a westbound flight of two aircraft.
> We were eastbound.
> The 172 scared us. He was too close and it was obvious he was not looking
> for a flight of two going east, while he was going west. As we approached
> Gary, Indiana, eastbound, the controller finally realized what was going on
> and apologized to our lead aircraft over the frequency stating that he was
> "sorry for the confusion back there guys".
> It was a memorable experience and the photos of Chicago are spectacular
> that my passenger, also a pilot, was able to capture. But, even though the
> lakefront route saved several hours I will probably go south of Chicago
> next time.
> Listening to the ATC controllers was like being at an auction. It was
> non-stop talking. There appeared to be no time to even take a breath. It
> was an incredible performance and I do not know how they were able to keep
> everyone sorted out.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
I noted while looking at the EAA website that to camp you
must be a yearly EAA member, not the temporary 3 month
introductory membership they are offering this year.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Copinfo <Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: engine mount question |
Yes I have the longer fuselage. The Improved 1932 version. The A-65
only weighs 170 pounds, so, it has to go out further or your wing will
have to move back to accomplish the balance you need.
-----Original Message-----
From: walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net>
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 3:29 PM
Subject: Fw: engine mount question
Copinfo,
Did you make the long fuselage?
walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Copinfo <Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.com>
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: engine mount question
I just finsihed putting an A-65 on my Piet. I made the mount 4
inches longer than the plans. It flys well but still needs forward
trim.
-----Original Message-----
From: walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net>
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Monday, July 05, 1999 3:09 PM
Subject: engine mount question
This is to all of you experienced guys who have fought through
the W/B for a 65 Cont.
I have started to make some brackets, and thinking about the
mount.
Everyone talks of the Aircamper being tail heavy as a rule.
I'm 220#, and planned on adding 1" to the mount. Does this
sound right to you guys? The rest of the plane will be made per
prints.
thanks,
walt evans
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | pschultz(at)uplogon.com (Paul Schultz) |
EAA Chapter 104 in Valparaiso, IN (VPZ - N.West IN) has a food booth at the
airport (hot dogs, sodas, etc.) for 10 days during the Oshkosh convention
for those of you coming from the East. No landing fee! Let me know if you
need more details.
-----Original Message-----
From: fishin [SMTP:fishin(at)wwa.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 1:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: OSH camping update?
a couple of weeks ago I was in a flight of two from Kenosha Wi to Chanute
field and took the
lake route thru Chicago and yes the view is great and the traffic has you
on the edge of your
seat...I can't imagine the city fathers wanting to close Miegs down as she
acts as a traffic
cop for their airspace...the lead plane in our group was picking up a
passenger from Miegs so
we joined them to take advantage of a potty stop----word of caution for
those planning the
same,,,,,that was a $20 potty stop!!!
(landing fee)
regards
JoeC
Zion, Illinois
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DonanClara(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: two-piece floor |
Richard, I did mine as Steve explained....off the fuselage...then fit ,n
glue. Of course make certain the scarf joint falls on a cross member...may
even be stronger than straight ply??
Don Hicks
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: two-piece floor |
Richard, now that it is on I think I would go with the butt joint but with
about a 4-6" wide piece of plywood overlapping the joint the full width of
the plane. It will be under the fabric so it won't show. I just started
installing my floor today. I have a large quantity of 1/8" birch in 5x5'
sheets so I'm using two layers with each layer made of two pieces scarfed
together with an 8:1 scharf. I also had to scharf the sides together.
Wayne Sippola
> From: Richard DeCosta
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: RE: two-piece floor
> Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 9:46 AM
>
> Any suggesions for scarf-joining the two pieces now that one of them is
> firmly glued to the fuselage? Damn! A butt joint would be THAT bad in
> that location?
>
> --- steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> > Are you making the joints due to the fact that the plywood is to
> > short? I
> > had the same problem, but I scarf jointed the pieces before gluing
> > them to
> > the fuse. I would imagine that getting a good tight scarf joint (16
> > to 1)
> > would be much more difficult on the fuse. Butt joints would of
> > course be a
> > comprimise to safety in a big way.
> >
> > Steve Eldredge
> > IT Services
> > Brigham Young University
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > Of
> > > Richard DeCosta
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 6:20 AM
> > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > > Subject: two-piece floor
> > >
> > >
> > > I never heard back after Steve's "wassup with the two-piece floor"
> > > comment. Can someone verify that this is not going to cause me
> > great
> > > trouble, as I have to do the same thing with the fuse sides. I am
> > > joining the two floor sections at the white ash piece, so
> > > there'll be a
> > > nice solid 3-way joint, and the sides will join at a 1 x 3/4 spruce
> > > piece.
> > >
> > > Richard
> > > ===
> > > "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe
> > > to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this
> > > old?" - Jim Tavenner
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> ===
> "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly?
Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Visit http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Copinfo <Copinfo(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Another shock cord question |
Shock Cord and Bungee Cord are the same. In your Aircraft Inspection and
Repair manual AC 43.13-1B the two are referred to as the same. The cord is
even color coded to show the year it was manufactured. Good Luck.
-----Original Message-----
From: robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Am I still on?
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 18:56:08 -0500
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael King <mikek(at)nstar.net>
Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 9:35 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Am I still on?
Hey! It's about time I see you post something. How's things going Michael?
When you flying the GN to Uvalde? Try and keep in touch a little more often
bozo, I thought you left the usa.
Robert
>Howdy,
>
>I had a problem with my email program and have not received
>ANY mail from the discussion group. I am wondering if maybe
>I got dropped the list. If so, please put me back on......
>
>Thanks
>
>Mike King
>Dallas, Texas
>mikek(at)nstar.net
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 12 V DC Fuel Transfer Pump |
Ted Brousseau wrote:
>
> Bert,
>
> How did the sale go? I was off the net for a couple of days and didn't get
> to check.
>
> Where do lyou fly out of? I fly into TLH but see that there is another
> field just north. Know anything about that one?
>
> Ted
> Naples
> >
Hi Ted,
It didnt go so great. I think we had it priced too high. My friend
says re-list it at 100.00. That should probably be about right so I'll
put it back on E-Bay again.
I used to fly out of Bainbridge, GA. When I had my C-150 I kept it
there at the ramp for NO FEE. Right now I'm flyin out of my garage :)\
Yeah, there's a small strip North of TLH - its a private airport, paved
about 2000 feet long? They have some un-occupied open T-hangers for
overnighters. Not much traffic - I don't know a thing about it.
\
Are you gonna make Broadhead? What route will you fly and when? If
you need to stop over in the TLH area let me know, we can help you find
a place to crash - OOOOHHH !!! Sorry bad choice of words.
I sure Wish I was headed that way- maybe next year.
Send me a pic of you plane (.jpg) and I'll put it on the website. Got
about 10 GN builders now! Thats 10 more than I knew existed last month.
No kidding , let me know if you need to stop over - we've got lots of
room (big house) and my wife and I go by Tallahassee Commercial every
single day on our commute (we can drop you off to be on your way). If
you can stand three teenagers, two dogs, three cats, and an iguana,
you're in.
Later,
Bert
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 12 V DC Fuel Transfer Pump |
bwm wrote:
>
> Ted Brousseau wrote:
> >
> > Bert,
> >
> > How did the sale go? I was off the net for a couple of days and didn't get
> > to check.
> >
> > Where do lyou fly out of? I fly into TLH but see that there is another
> > field just north. Know anything about that one?
> >
> > Ted
> > Naples
> > >
> Hi Ted,
> It didnt go so great. I think we had it priced too high. My friend
> says re-list it at 100.00. That should probably be about right so I'll
> put it back on E-Bay again.
>
> I used to fly out of Bainbridge, GA. When I had my C-150 I kept it
> there at the ramp for NO FEE. Right now I'm flyin out of my garage :)\
> Yeah, there's a small strip North of TLH - its a private airport, paved
> about 2000 feet long? They have some un-occupied open T-hangers for
> overnighters. Not much traffic - I don't know a thing about it.
> \
>
> Are you gonna make Broadhead? What route will you fly and when? If
> you need to stop over in the TLH area let me know, we can help you find
> a place to crash - OOOOHHH !!! Sorry bad choice of words.
>
> I sure Wish I was headed that way- maybe next year.
>
> Send me a pic of you plane (.jpg) and I'll put it on the website. Got
> about 10 GN builders now! Thats 10 more than I knew existed last month.
> No kidding , let me know if you need to stop over - we've got lots of
> room (big house) and my wife and I go by Tallahassee Commercial every
> single day on our commute (we can drop you off to be on your way). If
> you can stand three teenagers, two dogs, three cats, and an iguana,
> you're in.
>
> Later,
> Bert
Well Guys,
Being the total moron that I've strived to become all my life, I
managed to respond to the whole group instead of privately...
Aw hell!!!!, Any body going to broadhead - stop by and join us. Heck
we'll stack you all up like firewood in the garage if necessary. geez -
I've been workin too hard.
Seriously - Have fun, wish I was a going. Of course I WILL be in Key
West next week working. :) No, really!
Have fun
Bert
________________________________________________________________________________
Hello, All!
It is also possible to call the "controlling authority" and receive a waiver
for a specified, short period of time. I think you probably need to be in
radio contact, tho. I have just a hand-held transceiver in my Ercoupe, and
occasionally need to intrude into mode-C airspace. Usually the controllers
are easy to work with. Good Luck, and see you at Brodhead!
Don Cooley
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
>
>EAA Chapter 104 in Valparaiso, IN (VPZ - N.West IN) has a food booth at the
>airport (hot dogs, sodas, etc.) for 10 days during the Oshkosh convention
>for those of you coming from the East. No landing fee! Let me know if you
>need more details.
>
Paul S. is right about this note. I stopped with the Piet last year and will
again this year. Nice cook out, shade under tents, a very, very nice FBO
lounge w/ AIR conditioning, and a very attractive desk receptionist I
might add.
It sure is funny to see the corporate jet pilots walk the ramp to poke thier
heads inside the Piet cockpit !
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
| Subject: | Re: aluminum heads / $15 mags |
>Does anyone have the url to that place that had the aluminum heads for
>the 'A'? I need to get one AND add it to the supplier section of
>AirCamper.org. Also, those $15 mags... they WILL work with the 'A'
>right? I need to grab a few if they do. Thanks!
>
>Richard
>
My father (he lives in Naples, FL.) Recieved yesterday my 2 mags I ordered,
Well, my problem is that I will have them here until December, He is
comming for Xmas vacations.
He was very happy, and I enjoy making him part of my projects.
Saludos
Gary Gower
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Osh Arrival Info |
For those of you flying into Oshkosh, we will be leaving Hartford, WI
weather permitting on Weds. July 28th to arrive at Wittman Field in
Oshkosh by 11 am. Bill Rewey will be flight leader and as we approach
Wittman we will proceed single file spaced such that we give everyone
time to roll out and turn off. There will be no fly-by upon our arrival and
no formation flying due to the fact that there will be other planes also
using the noradio arrival route besides ourselves.
As I arrived last year (also on opening day) I was pleased to find
only 3 other planes in the using the no-radio runway and pattern.
Hopefully we will encounter the same this year !
Best Regards,
Mike Cuy
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Broadhead/Osh Updates |
I don't know what is possible, but it would sure be nice for those of us
stuck home to here how things go for the fleet. Anyone thinking of
bringing a laptop and wireless modem to post updates to the list?
Wish I could go!
Brent Reed
I don't know what is possible, but it would sure be
nice for
those of us stuck home to here how things go for the fleet. Anyone
thinking of bringing a laptop and wireless modem to post updates to the
list?
Wish I could go!
Brent Reed
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mboynton(at)excite.com |
| Subject: | Re: New feature/video on AirCamper.org |
I was referring to the one that is photographed from the side, at a 90
degree angle. It looks like yellow and some other dark trim color. I was
intrigued because of the lines of the cowl. It seemed almost streamlined.
Is that a permissible word when referring to Piets :-)?
Mark
> I believe the grey Corvair powered ship is Duane Tulba's. Is that the one
> you're talking about?
>
> --Peter
>
>
>
>
>
> aircamper(at)yahoo.com on 07/06/99 02:30:00 PM
> To: piet(at)byu.edu@Internet
> cc: (bcc: Peter P Frantz/West/Aerospace/US)
> Subject: Re: New feature/video on AirCamper.org
>
> Im not sure, anyone?
>
> --- mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
> > Richard,
> >
> > Great work, as usual. On the new video front page, whose Air Camper
> > is
> > pictured fourth down from the top, in the right hand column?
> >
> > Mark Boynton
> > Gilbert, AZ
> >
> >
> > > Great video Richard, but you need to dirty up your workshop!
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Richard DeCosta
> > > >Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > > >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > > >Subject: New feature/video on AirCamper.org
> > > >Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 10:53:58 -0700 (PDT)
> > > >
> > > >New: Site Map; Find your way around the site
> > > >http://www.aircamper.org/SiteMap.cfm
> > > >
> > > >plus one new MPEG view, a walk-around of my fuselage:
> > > >http://www.aircamper.org/videos.cfm
> > > >
> > > >Enjoy,
> > > >Richard
> > > >===
> > > >"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to
> > fly?
> > Just
> > > >how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim
> > Tavenner
> > > >---------------------------------------------------------
> > > >Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> > > >---------------------------------------------------------
> > > >My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Larry Ragan
> > > Jacksonville, Fl.
> > > lragan(at)hotmail.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________________
> >
>
> ===
> "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just
how
> in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: New feature/video on AirCamper.org |
Hi Mark,
Yeah, that was built by Duane (or Dwayne?) Tulba and some other fellow. It's
the same airplane that shows up in several other videos on that web page.
It's grey, but the reflected sunlight makes it look yellow there. I've
learned a little bit about that ship from a few BPAN back issues. When it
was first built, it had a cowl that was modeled after the old Jenny. See
these pictures on Richard's site:
http://www.aircamper.org/cgi-bin/urlgo.exe?url=%2Facimg%2FTulba01.jpg
http://www.aircamper.org/cgi-bin/urlgo.exe?url=%2Facimg%2FTulba02.jpg
Those images were scanned from old back issues that had been reproduced on an
old copier, so they are very poor quality. Apparently, this Jenny cowl was
unsuitable for reasons that I do not yet know. Maybe it was too draggy, with
too large a cross section for the smaller diameter prop that the corvair
swings. Maybe there were problems with cooling. Beats me.
In the end, he may not even be satisfied with the cowl you see in the video.
I've heard that he has possession of the mold that BHP used to build the
fiberglass cowl on The Last Original. I seem to recall that he once offered
to sell copies of the BHP cowl in the BPAN. I've never tried to contact him.
--Peter
mboynton(at)excite.com on 07/08/99 02:22:00 PM
cc: (bcc: Peter P Frantz/West/Aerospace/US)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New feature/video on AirCamper.org
I was referring to the one that is photographed from the side, at a 90
degree angle. It looks like yellow and some other dark trim color. I was
intrigued because of the lines of the cowl. It seemed almost streamlined.
Is that a permissible word when referring to Piets :-)?
Mark
> I believe the grey Corvair powered ship is Duane Tulba's. Is that the one
> you're talking about?
>
> --Peter
>
>
> aircamper(at)yahoo.com on 07/06/99 02:30:00 PM
> To: piet(at)byu.edu@Internet
> cc: (bcc: Peter P Frantz/West/Aerospace/US)
> Subject: Re: New feature/video on AirCamper.org
>
> Im not sure, anyone?
>
> --- mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
> > Richard,
> >
> > Great work, as usual. On the new video front page, whose Air Camper
> > is
> > pictured fourth down from the top, in the right hand column?
> >
> > Mark Boynton
> > Gilbert, AZ
> >
> >
> > > Great video Richard, but you need to dirty up your workshop!
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Richard DeCosta
> > > >Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > > >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > > >Subject: New feature/video on AirCamper.org
> > > >Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 10:53:58 -0700 (PDT)
> > > >
> > > >New: Site Map; Find your way around the site
> > > >http://www.aircamper.org/SiteMap.cfm
> > > >
> > > >plus one new MPEG view, a walk-around of my fuselage:
> > > >http://www.aircamper.org/videos.cfm
> > > >
> > > >Enjoy,
> > > >Richard
> > > >===
> > > >"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to
> > fly?
> > Just
> > > >how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim
> > Tavenner
> > > >---------------------------------------------------------
> > > >Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> > > >---------------------------------------------------------
> > > >My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Larry Ragan
> > > Jacksonville, Fl.
> > > lragan(at)hotmail.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________________
> >
>
> ===
> "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just
how
> in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Brusilow <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Walt asked the group what length engine mount to use with a 65 cont,
Various answers were offered.
The question to ask is- where is the cg of their aircraft & what
modificatons were effected to obtain that cg.
Mike B - Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )
Walt asked the group what length
engine mount to
use with a 65 cont, Various answers were offered.
The question to ask is- where is
the cg of
their aircraft what modificatons were effected to obtain that
cg.
Mike B - Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam
)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: engine mount |
Mike B.
Thanks for simplifying the question. I'm building the long fuselage
from the prints from Pietenpol family, with a Continental 65.
I didn't know that there were so many variations. Just my fat butt. My
AP mentor says to add about an inch , and make the rest up with the
wing.
Walt Evans
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Brusilow <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 8:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine mount
Walt asked the group what length engine mount to use with a 65 cont,
Various answers were offered.
The question to ask is- where is the cg of their aircraft & what
modificatons were effected to obtain that cg.
Mike B - Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Duane <Duaner(at)atl.mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Corvair Engine info |
I bought the book by Richard Finch called Auto Engines For Experimental
Aircraft and found some very useful info on the Corvair engine.
According to Finch there is a PSRU (Prop Speed Reduction Unit) plan
designed by Bud Rinker. It uses a VW gear box. the plans are sold by
Lars Nelson through Vertical Systems. Address is 34 Paradise Rd. Santa
Barbara, CA 93105. Has any body built this unit or had any trouble
contacting Lars Nelson to get a set of plans?
Duane Revennaugh
I bought the book by
Richard Finch
called Auto Engines For Experimental Aircraft and found some
very
useful info on the Corvair engine. According to Finch there is a PSRU
(Prop
Speed Reduction Unit) plan designed by Bud Rinker. It uses a VW gear
box. the
plans are sold by Lars Nelson through Vertical Systems. Address is 34
Paradise
Rd. Santa Barbara, CA 93105. Has any body built this unit or had any
trouble
contacting Lars Nelson to get a set of plans?
Duane
Revennaugh
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair Engine info |
I have spoken with both Bud Rinker and Lars. Lars always has a lot
of projects going and sells so few of these plans that it may be days or
weeks before you hear from him. In my speaking with him, the main
reason for the limited use of these units is that they require the step
down drive from old VW buses from the late 50's and early 60's, which
simply are not as available as they once were. In addition to this,
what you really need is the even more rare Mountain Version, which
provided a 1.69:1 ration as compared to the regular street version of
1.35:1 ration. From my inquiry, VW Dealer parts depts. don't carry
these and neither do the normal street guys like Kragen or Pep Boys.
Having said all of that, if you can find the parts, it works like a
charm and is very rugged. The plans even show how Bud Rinker made his
prop drive from the axle and Brake Drum from the same bus.
It is a good idea that works well. The 35-40 year old parts just
aren't that easy to come by.
If you do find a source, let us all know.
Cheers,
Warren
Duane wrote:
> I bought the book by Richard Finch called Auto Engines For
> Experimental Aircraft and found some very useful info on the Corvair
> engine. According to Finch there is a PSRU (Prop Speed Reduction Unit)
> plan designed by Bud Rinker. It uses a VW gear box. the plans are sold
> by Lars Nelson through Vertical Systems. Address is 34 Paradise Rd.
> Santa Barbara, CA 93105. Has any body built this unit or had any
> trouble contacting Lars Nelson to get a set of plans? Duane Revennaugh
I have spoken with both Bud Rinker and Lars. Lars
always has a lot of projects going and sells so few of these plans that
it may be days or weeks before you hear from him. In my speaking
with him, the main reason for the limited use of these units is that they
require the step down drive from old VW buses from the late 50's and early
60's, which simply are not as available as they once were. In addition
to this, what you really need is the even more rare Mountain Version, which
provided a 1.69:1 ration as compared to the regular street version of 1.35:1
ration. From my inquiry, VW Dealer parts depts. don't carry these
and neither do the normal street guys like Kragen or Pep Boys.
Having said all of that, if you can find the parts,
it works like a charm and is very rugged. The plans even show how
Bud Rinker made his prop drive from the axle and Brake Drum from the same
bus.
It is a good idea that works well. The 35-40
year old parts just aren't that easy to come by.
If you do find a source, let us all know.
Cheers,
Warren
Duane wrote:
I
bought the book by Richard Finch called Auto Engines For Experimental
Aircraft and found some very useful info on the Corvair engine. According
to Finch there is a PSRU (Prop Speed Reduction Unit) plan designed by Bud
Rinker. It uses a VW gear box. the plans are sold by Lars Nelson through
Vertical Systems. Address is 34 Paradise Rd. Santa Barbara, CA 93105. Has
any body built this unit or had any trouble contacting Lars Nelson to get
a set of plans?Duane
Revennaugh
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair Engine info |
Clarification: This is NOT any part of a VW transmission gear
assembly.
It is a 2 gear separate unit that bolts to the transmission where
the later CV joints attached. It was only on early busses, and in
effect gave it a permanent "granny gear" drive. The Mountain Version
that I referred to could climb anything, at about 26 miles per hour top
speed. If you are as old as I am, you clearly remember passing these
things on any hill.
Duane wrote:
> I bought the book by Richard Finch called Auto Engines For
> Experimental Aircraft and found some very useful info on the Corvair
> engine. According to Finch there is a PSRU (Prop Speed Reduction Unit)
> plan designed by Bud Rinker. It uses a VW gear box. the plans are sold
> by Lars Nelson through Vertical Systems. Address is 34 Paradise Rd.
> Santa Barbara, CA 93105. Has any body built this unit or had any
> trouble contacting Lars Nelson to get a set of plans? Duane Revennaugh
Clarification: This is NOT any part of a VW transmission
gear assembly.
It is a 2 gear separate unit that bolts to the transmission
where the later CV joints attached. It was only on early busses,
and in effect gave it a permanent "granny gear" drive. The Mountain
Version that I referred to could climb anything, at about 26 miles per
hour top speed. If you are as old as I am, you clearly remember passing
these things on any hill.
Duane wrote:
I
bought the book by Richard Finch called Auto Engines For Experimental
Aircraft and found some very useful info on the Corvair engine. According
to Finch there is a PSRU (Prop Speed Reduction Unit) plan designed by Bud
Rinker. It uses a VW gear box. the plans are sold by Lars Nelson through
Vertical Systems. Address is 34 Paradise Rd. Santa Barbara, CA 93105. Has
any body built this unit or had any trouble contacting Lars Nelson to get
a set of plans?Duane
Revennaugh
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin McDonald <kevin.mcdonald(at)dev.tivoli.com> |
Howdy Pietsters,
I'll be doing my second Alaska trip in my Tri Pacer. This time
I have decided up the ante and take a digital camera and a laptop
and try to keep a web page updated during the trip.
I opened a web page at http://www.io.com/~ktm which is just a shell
at the moment. I hope to be able to update it every couple of days.
If your interested check in next week and see if I've been able to
get pictures uploaded from the field.
Hope we don't crash!
Ktm
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Broadhead/Osh Updates |
We will be connected! I am bringing a laptop and my digital camera. I hope
that I can keep up.
Steve Eldredge
Steve(at)byu.edu
IT Services
Brigham Young University
-----Original Message-----
Reed
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 12:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Broadhead/Osh Updates
I don't know what is possible, but it would sure be nice for those of us
stuck home to here how things go for the fleet. Anyone thinking of bringing
a laptop and wireless modem to post updates to the list?
Wish I could go!
Brent Reed
________________________________________________________________________________
Ordered my 2 mags yesterday... the guy mentioned the wires the go with
it. Do most of you get those too? I held off on them for now, not
knowing if I'd need them.
Richard
===
"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how
in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
----------------------------------------------------------
My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
________________________________________________________________________________
Hello
I didn't get any wires, I didn't know they had them. I talked to Jake, did
he give you a price?
Mike Madrid
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/7827/
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard DeCosta
Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 8:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: $15 mags
>Ordered my 2 mags yesterday... the guy mentioned the wires the go with
>it. Do most of you get those too? I held off on them for now, not
>knowing if I'd need them.
>
>Richard
>===
>"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just
how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
>----------------------------------------------------------
>http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
>----------------------------------------------------------
>My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
I dont remember exacly, but they were in the $5 range.
--- Mike Madrid wrote:
> Hello
> I didn't get any wires, I didn't know they had them. I talked to
> Jake, did
> he give you a price?
> Mike Madrid
> http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/7827/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard DeCosta
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 8:25 AM
> Subject: $15 mags
>
>
> >Ordered my 2 mags yesterday... the guy mentioned the wires the go
> with
> >it. Do most of you get those too? I held off on them for now, not
> >knowing if I'd need them.
> >
> >Richard
> >===
> >"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to
> fly? Just
> how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
> >----------------------------------------------------------
> >http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> >----------------------------------------------------------
> >My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
> >
> >
> >
>
>
===
"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how
in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
----------------------------------------------------------
My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
________________________________________________________________________________
Richard;
I got four but they came without the wires.
Did you get the Alum Head supplier I posted?
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard DeCosta
Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 11:26 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: $15 mags
>Ordered my 2 mags yesterday... the guy mentioned the wires the go with
>it. Do most of you get those too? I held off on them for now, not
>knowing if I'd need them.
>
>Richard
>===
>"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just
how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
>----------------------------------------------------------
>http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
>----------------------------------------------------------
>My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Yes they do have wires for separate purchase. They are $35 or $36 per set
(mag) I didn't buy them.
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Richard DeCosta
> Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 9:23 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: $15 mags
>
>
> Ordered my 2 mags yesterday... the guy mentioned the wires the go with
> it. Do most of you get those too? I held off on them for now, not
> knowing if I'd need them.
>
> Richard
> ===
> "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe
> to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this
> old?" - Jim Tavenner
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Hello Steve
At that price, I think I will hold off. Since the mags turn the wrong way
for the model A, I may not use them at all.
I will also be traveling with my laptop this year since I am driving this
time. Will bring my digital camera along with the rest of my cameras.
Mike Madrid
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/7827/
-----Original Message-----
From: steve(at)byu.edu
Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 8:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: $15 mags
>Yes they do have wires for separate purchase. They are $35 or $36 per set
>(mag) I didn't buy them.
>
>Steve Eldredge
>IT Services
>Brigham Young University
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Richard DeCosta
>> Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 9:23 AM
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Subject: $15 mags
>>
>>
>> Ordered my 2 mags yesterday... the guy mentioned the wires the go with
>> it. Do most of you get those too? I held off on them for now, not
>> knowing if I'd need them.
>>
>> Richard
>> ===
>> "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe
>> to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this
>> old?" - Jim Tavenner
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
$5? If they lowered the price I'll reconsider! On my invoice they sent they
had a little sticker that said they were ~$35. Seemed quite expensive (all
relative right?). At $5 I could spring for one to see what they are like.
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Richard DeCosta
> Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 9:33 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: $15 mags
>
>
> I dont remember exacly, but they were in the $5 range.
>
> --- Mike Madrid wrote:
> > Hello
> > I didn't get any wires, I didn't know they had them. I talked to
> > Jake, did
> > he give you a price?
> > Mike Madrid
> > http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/7827/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard DeCosta
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 8:25 AM
> > Subject: $15 mags
> >
> >
> > >Ordered my 2 mags yesterday... the guy mentioned the wires the go
> > with
> > >it. Do most of you get those too? I held off on them for now, not
> > >knowing if I'd need them.
> > >
> > >Richard
> > >===
> > >"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to
> > fly? Just
> > how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
> > >----------------------------------------------------------
> > >http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> > >----------------------------------------------------------
> > >My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> ===
> "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe
> to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this
> old?" - Jim Tavenner
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
I dont think it was $5. Shouldve cleared my brain before I posted that.
I actually dont remember what it was.
--- steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> $5? If they lowered the price I'll reconsider! On my invoice they
> sent they
> had a little sticker that said they were ~$35. Seemed quite
> expensive (all
> relative right?). At $5 I could spring for one to see what they are
> like.
>
> Steve Eldredge
> IT Services
> Brigham Young University
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> Of
> > Richard DeCosta
> > Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 9:33 AM
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: Re: $15 mags
> >
> >
> > I dont remember exacly, but they were in the $5 range.
> >
> > --- Mike Madrid wrote:
> > > Hello
> > > I didn't get any wires, I didn't know they had them. I talked to
> > > Jake, did
> > > he give you a price?
> > > Mike Madrid
> > > http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/7827/
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Richard DeCosta
> > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > > Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 8:25 AM
> > > Subject: $15 mags
> > >
> > >
> > > >Ordered my 2 mags yesterday... the guy mentioned the wires the
> go
> > > with
> > > >it. Do most of you get those too? I held off on them for now,
> not
> > > >knowing if I'd need them.
> > > >
> > > >Richard
> > > >===
> > > >"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to
> > > fly? Just
> > > how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim
> Tavenner
> > > >----------------------------------------------------------
> > > >http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> > > >----------------------------------------------------------
> > > >My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ===
> > "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe
> > to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this
> > old?" - Jim Tavenner
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
> >
> >
> >
>
>
===
"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how
in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
----------------------------------------------------------
My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: engine mount |
We have a piet with the extended fuselage and model A engine. I am 245
lbs. and was way behind the C.G.. The calculations said move the engine
12" forward. We did the un-thinkable and changed the plans. We will be at
oshkosh with it and we feel this was the safest way to handle the aft C.G.
problem
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: engine mount |
Mike B.
Thanks for simplifying the question. I'm building the long fuselage from
the prints from Pietenpol family, with a Continental 65.
I didn't know that there were so many variations. Just my fat butt. My AP
mentor says to add about an inch , and make the rest up with the wing.
Walt Evans
-----Original Message-----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Brusilow <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Walt asked the group what length engine mount to use with a 65 cont,
Various answers were offered.
The question to ask is- where is the cg of their aircraft & what
modificatons were effected to obtain that cg.
Mike B - Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: engine mount |
Well.......don't just leave us hanging out here.....tell us what changes
you made and what the logic was....{;~)
Warren
Creative Ice wrote:
> We have a piet with the extended fuselage and model A engine. I am 245
> lbs. and was way behind the C.G.. The calculations said move the engine
> 12" forward. We did the un-thinkable and changed the plans. We will be at
> oshkosh with it and we feel this was the safest way to handle the aft C.G.
> problem
>
> ----------
> From: walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Fw: engine mount
> Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 9:30 PM
>
> Mike B.
> Thanks for simplifying the question. I'm building the long fuselage from
> the prints from Pietenpol family, with a Continental 65.
> I didn't know that there were so many variations. Just my fat butt. My AP
> mentor says to add about an inch , and make the rest up with the wing.
> Walt Evans
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Brusilow <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 8:09 PM
> Subject: engine mount
>
> Walt asked the group what length engine mount to use with a 65 cont,
> Various answers were offered.
> The question to ask is- where is the cg of their aircraft & what
> modificatons were effected to obtain that cg.
>
> Mike B - Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <duprey(at)excite.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Broadhead/Osh Updates |
Thanks Steve! It means a lot to us poor slbs who have to keep the home-fires
burning. Have a safe trip! I don't need to tell you to have a blast.
John Duprey
> We will be connected! I am bringing a laptop and my digital camera. I
hope
> that I can keep up.
>
>
>
> Steve Eldredge
> Steve(at)byu.edu
> IT Services
> Brigham Young University
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
Brent
> Reed
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 12:56 PM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Broadhead/Osh Updates
>
>
> I don't know what is possible, but it would sure be nice for those of us
> stuck home to here how things go for the fleet. Anyone thinking of
bringing
> a laptop and wireless modem to post updates to the list?
>
> Wish I could go!
>
> Brent Reed
>
"the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <duprey(at)excite.com> |
Richard and anyone else who bought the mags. My understanding is that the
mags use military wires for military plugs ie: $$$ . I have an article on
converting a set of standard plug wires to a military connecter for a
distributer but should work just fine in this application. I will dig out
the article and make copies available.
John Duprey
> Ordered my 2 mags yesterday... the guy mentioned the wires the go with
> it. Do most of you get those too? I held off on them for now, not
> knowing if I'd need them.
>
> Richard
> ===
> "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just
how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
>
>
"the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <duprey(at)excite.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: $15 mags |
Just a heads up, if they are military wires (ask) they will not work with
civilan plugs! Trust me I have a 1953 Dodge Military Pickup Truck. I have
plans for converting civilian wire sets (see my last e-mail)
John Duprey
> $5? If they lowered the price I'll reconsider! On my invoice they sent
they
> had a little sticker that said they were ~$35. Seemed quite expensive
(all
> relative right?). At $5 I could spring for one to see what they are like.
>
> Steve Eldredge
> IT Services
> Brigham Young University
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Richard DeCosta
> > Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 9:33 AM
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: Re: $15 mags
> >
> >
> > I dont remember exacly, but they were in the $5 range.
> >
> > --- Mike Madrid wrote:
> > > Hello
> > > I didn't get any wires, I didn't know they had them. I talked to
> > > Jake, did
> > > he give you a price?
> > > Mike Madrid
> > > http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/7827/
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Richard DeCosta
> > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > > Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 8:25 AM
> > > Subject: $15 mags
> > >
> > >
> > > >Ordered my 2 mags yesterday... the guy mentioned the wires the go
> > > with
> > > >it. Do most of you get those too? I held off on them for now, not
> > > >knowing if I'd need them.
> > > >
> > > >Richard
> > > >===
> > > >"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to
> > > fly? Just
> > > how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
> > > >----------------------------------------------------------
> > > >http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> > > >----------------------------------------------------------
> > > >My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ===
> > "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe
> > to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this
> > old?" - Jim Tavenner
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
> >
> >
> >
"the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
________________________________________________________________________________
Richard DeCosta wrote:
>
> Ordered my 2 mags yesterday... the guy mentioned the wires the go with
> it. Do most of you get those too? I held off on them for now, not
> knowing if I'd need them.
He never mentioned them to me, I was hoping it came with a
harness, but I was not let down one bit when I opened the
box to see none.
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Randall Reihing <rreihing(at)eng.utoledo.edu> |
Richard,
I ordered one mag with the wires. What Army Surplus did is buy a lot of
these mags from the military. They arrived to Army Surplus, packed in
individually sealed boxes, complete with an attached wiring harness. The
harness was enclosed in a beautiful braided stainless steel jacket,
apparently to eliminate ignition noise in the radio. Army Surplus opened
each box, removed the wiring harness, resealed the box, and is offering the
harness as a separate item, for an additional $35.00. If you plan on using
the mag on a Model A or other four cylinder engine, the harness may be an
excellent investment. One of the mags I ordered came with the harness and
the whole assembly cost me $50.00 plus shipping. I was very impressed with
the quality of the harness and believe it to be well worth the $35.00. A
brand new 1989 Slick 4220 mag, right rotation, 15 degree lag, with
stainless steel shielded wiring harness for $55.00, including shipping. If
it works as well as it looks it will be a great deal!
>Ordered my 2 mags yesterday... the guy mentioned the wires the go with
>it. Do most of you get those too? I held off on them for now, not
>knowing if I'd need them.
>
>Richard
>===
>"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just
how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
>----------------------------------------------------------
>http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
>----------------------------------------------------------
>My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
>
>
Randall Reihing
University of Toledo
College of Engineering
MIME Department
419-530-8244
FAX: 419-530-8206
E-Mail: rreihing(at)eng.utoledo.edu
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Corvair Engine info |
I have purchased the plans for the Rinker Drive (Corvair PSRU) from
Lars Nelson (Vertical Systems). I was very pleased with the package that he
offers. The plans are simpler and less machining is required than I had
expected. It's nearly a model of simplicity. The plans package includes a
few reprints from journal articles describing the assembly and performance.
There are two sets of plans: one for a simple PSRU that requires machining of
the crankshaft, and one that's a bit more complex and bulky but requires no
machining of the crank. There is also a plan for a propellor hub cut from a
VW brake drum, and the plans show an installation of starter motor ring. If
anyone has questions about what he offers, I'd be happy to respond (although
I'll be away for a week starting now).
I've learned a lot about this PSRU, and I have not yet become
convinced that I will build it. As Warren points out, it requires a somewhat
obscure part of a long extinct type II VW transaxle (from an old bus). The
standard reduction unit is not terribly difficult to find in a parts-rich
environment like southern CA, but the mountain gears are a bit more of a
challenge. They are prized by the home-built dune-buggy community who build
Corvair sand-rails, and there seems to be an modest trade there.
I should point out that even the standard reduction unit offers some
advantages over having no PSRU at all: for example, 1) thrust loads are
removed from the crankshaft and the crank main journal webbing that were not
specifically designed to carry these loads, 2) the prop spins the right way,
and 3) you get a bit closer to operating the engine near the peak of the
torque curve.
There also seem to be some disadvantages, too. Such as the added
weight (the standard unit adds something like 20 lbs), and Jim Vandervoort
(PIetenpol builder) reported some vibration that caused accelerated wear of
his elevator hinges. He later removed the PSRU and he's been flying with the
stock Pietenpol arrangement for many years.
I have some photographs that were sent to me by Lars Nelson several
months ago. I posted them to a little website that I aborted when I bought
my first house in November (Richard, I don't know how you do it!) Here's the
address:
http://home.earthlink.net/~jillnpeter/pietindex.html
--Peter
wbnb(at)earthlink.net on 07/08/99 07:13:00 PM
cc: (bcc: Peter P Frantz/West/Aerospace/US)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Engine info
I have spoken with both Bud Rinker and Lars. Lars always has a lot
of projects going and sells so few of these plans that it may be days or
weeks before you hear from him. In my speaking with him, the main
reason for the limited use of these units is that they require the step
down drive from old VW buses from the late 50's and early 60's, which
simply are not as available as they once were. In addition to this,
what you really need is the even more rare Mountain Version, which
provided a 1.69:1 ration as compared to the regular street version of
1.35:1 ration. From my inquiry, VW Dealer parts depts. don't carry
these and neither do the normal street guys like Kragen or Pep Boys.
Having said all of that, if you can find the parts, it works like a
charm and is very rugged. The plans even show how Bud Rinker made his
prop drive from the axle and Brake Drum from the same bus.
It is a good idea that works well. The 35-40 year old parts just
aren't that easy to come by.
If you do find a source, let us all know.
Cheers,
Warren
Duane wrote:
> I bought the book by Richard Finch called Auto Engines For
> Experimental Aircraft and found some very useful info on the Corvair
> engine. According to Finch there is a PSRU (Prop Speed Reduction Unit)
> plan designed by Bud Rinker. It uses a VW gear box. the plans are sold
> by Lars Nelson through Vertical Systems. Address is 34 Paradise Rd.
> Santa Barbara, CA 93105. Has any body built this unit or had any
> trouble contacting Lars Nelson to get a set of plans? Duane Revennaugh
________________________________________________________________________________
Larry Shull sent me a scanned image of the front
page of the Gyrodynamics Catalogue.
Interesting.
http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/Dragonfly/images/TMP2.JPG
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 7/9/99 7:00:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
panzera(at)cnetech.com writes:
<< http://www.angelfirecom/ca2/Dragonfly/images/TMP2.JPG >>
Good pictures, but you forgot to put the period (.) between angelfire and
com. A few folks may not be able to figure out why the site won't open.
Thanks for the url.
Pat Patterson
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
| Subject: | RE: Broadhead/Osh Updates |
THANKS LOT from all of us
Saludos
Gary Gower
>We will be connected! I am bringing a laptop and my digital camera. I hope
>that I can keep up.
>
>
>Steve Eldredge
>Steve(at)byu.edu
>IT Services
>Brigham Young University
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>Reed
>Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 12:56 PM
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Broadhead/Osh Updates
>
>
>I don't know what is possible, but it would sure be nice for those of us
>stuck home to here how things go for the fleet. Anyone thinking of bringing
>a laptop and wireless modem to post updates to the list?
>
>Wish I could go!
>
>Brent Reed
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
I've looked back in history and can't find the address to order these mags.
Anyone know the address?
bed(at)mindspring.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Patcoolnet(at)aol.com |
check www.armysurplus.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Christopher Gregersen <CCGregersen(at)worldnet.att.net> |
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | A stitch in time |
Dear List,
How far apart did some of you stitch your wing ribs? I've watched
some of the "Pitts" being stitched about an inch apart........I'm not
sure the performance of a Piet requires them to be so close together.
And how about the tail feathers also?
Dannymac
________________________________________________________________________________
http://www.aircamper.org/Suppliers.cfm
The full address & phone is 3rd from the bottom.
Richard
--- Barry Davis wrote:
> I've looked back in history and can't find the address to order these
> mags.
> Anyone know the address?
>
> bed(at)mindspring.com
>
>
===
"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how
in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
----------------------------------------------------------
My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ted Brousseau <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Broadhead/Osh Updates |
I am "thinking about" bringing a laptop. BUT, I haven't figured out where
to put it. Maybe I can build a "trailer" to carry things...
Ted
Naples, FL/GN-1
>I don't know what is possible, but it would sure be nice for those of us
stuck home to here how things go for the fleet. Anyone thinking of bringing
a laptop and wireless modem to post updates to the list?
>
>Wish I could go!
>
>Brent Reed
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David B. Schober" <dschober(at)mail.fscwv.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: A stitch in time |
AC 43.13-1B has the specs for rib stitching! On the Piet, they should be
3.5" outside the slipstream and 2.5" inside the slipstream. The
slipstream is defined as that area of the wing inside the prop diameter
plus one rib bay.
dannymac wrote:
> Dear List,
>
> How far apart did some of you stitch your wing ribs? I've watched
> some of the "Pitts" being stitched about an inch apart........I'm not
> sure the performance of a Piet requires them to be so close together.
> And how about the tail feathers also?
>
> Dannymac
--
David B.Schober, CPE
Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
Fairmont State College
National Aerospace Education Center
1050 East Benedum Industrial Drive
Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503
(304) 842-8300
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: A stitch in time |
Dmac;
I think the speed range of the Piet permits the widest gap between stitches
at 3-1/2" unless those stitches are in the prop slipstream. Then it is
reduced to 2-1/2". This info is in the Stits Manual and CAM 18 Manuals. Need
to double check tho. Nowhere on any plane would you need stitches 1" apart
unless it is the Haboo..........
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: dannymac <dannymac@hal-pc.org>
Date: Saturday, July 10, 1999 1:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A stitch in time
>Dear List,
>
> How far apart did some of you stitch your wing ribs? I've watched
>some of the "Pitts" being stitched about an inch apart........I'm not
>sure the performance of a Piet requires them to be so close together.
>And how about the tail feathers also?
>
>Dannymac
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: A stitch in time |
Dmac;
Here is THE correct answer with the newer Manual names......
-----Original Message-----
From: David B. Schober <dschober(at)mail.fscwv.edu>
Date: Saturday, July 10, 1999 9:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A stitch in time
>AC 43.13-1B has the specs for rib stitching! On the Piet, they should be
>3.5" outside the slipstream and 2.5" inside the slipstream. The
>slipstream is defined as that area of the wing inside the prop diameter
>plus one rib bay.
>
>dannymac wrote:
>
>> Dear List,
>>
>> How far apart did some of you stitch your wing ribs? I've watched
>> some of the "Pitts" being stitched about an inch apart........I'm not
>> sure the performance of a Piet requires them to be so close together.
>> And how about the tail feathers also?
>>
>> Dannymac
>
>
>--
>
**
>
>David B.Schober, CPE
>Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
>Fairmont State College
>National Aerospace Education Center
>1050 East Benedum Industrial Drive
>Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503
>(304) 842-8300
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Broadhead/Osh Updates |
How about a towed cargo glider in the shape of a 1/3 scale Piet............
-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Brousseau <nfn00979(at)naples.net>
Date: Saturday, July 10, 1999 8:55 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Broadhead/Osh Updates
>I am "thinking about" bringing a laptop. BUT, I haven't figured out where
>to put it. Maybe I can build a "trailer" to carry things...
>
>Ted
>Naples, FL/GN-1
>
>>I don't know what is possible, but it would sure be nice for those of us
>stuck home to here how things go for the fleet. Anyone thinking of
bringing
>a laptop and wireless modem to post updates to the list?
>>
>>Wish I could go!
>>
>>Brent Reed
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CAho878935(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair Engine info |
I talked with Mr Finch at the Arlinton Flying yesterday. I also bought his
book on the corvair and like it. also about the redrive he mentioned the
rinker one but said there are better ways to go allthough the rinker unit was
good when it was introducedmany years ago. I would contact Mr. Finch for more
feedback.
Craig Aho
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Corvair Engine info |
CAho878935(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> I talked with Mr Finch at the Arlinton Flying yesterday. I also bought his
> book on the corvair and like it.
How can I do likewise?
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David B. Schober" <dschober(at)mail.fscwv.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: A stitch in time |
Earl, Any airplane with a Vne over about 230/240 will have 1" spacing. My Howard
has 2" spacing along the fuselage and tail surfaces with a Vne of 270. Fuselage
and empennage can have spacing twice that of the wing.
Earl Myers wrote:
> Dmac;
> I think the speed range of the Piet permits the widest gap between stitches
> at 3-1/2" unless those stitches are in the prop slipstream. Then it is
> reduced to 2-1/2". This info is in the Stits Manual and CAM 18 Manuals. Need
> to double check tho. Nowhere on any plane would you need stitches 1" apart
> unless it is the Haboo..........
> Earl Myers
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dannymac <dannymac@hal-pc.org>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Saturday, July 10, 1999 1:58 AM
> Subject: A stitch in time
>
> >Dear List,
> >
> > How far apart did some of you stitch your wing ribs? I've watched
> >some of the "Pitts" being stitched about an inch apart........I'm not
> >sure the performance of a Piet requires them to be so close together.
> >And how about the tail feathers also?
> >
> >Dannymac
> >
> >
--
David B.Schober, CPE
Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
Fairmont State College
National Aerospace Education Center
1050 East Benedum Industrial Drive
Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503
(304) 842-8300
________________________________________________________________________________
The wires do not go with them. I asked. Note the mounting diameter is 3-1/4"
and Lyc and Cont. holes are 3". Direct milling of the 1/8" radius reduction
will probably break thru the two inner cutouts (for internal pins?). Any
Ideas???
Earl Myers wrote:
> Richard;
> I got four but they came without the wires.
>
> Did you get the Alum Head supplier I posted?
> Earl Myers
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard DeCosta
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 11:26 AM
> Subject: $15 mags
>
> >Ordered my 2 mags yesterday... the guy mentioned the wires the go with
> >it. Do most of you get those too? I held off on them for now, not
> >knowing if I'd need them.
> >
> >Richard
> >===
> >"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just
> how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
> >----------------------------------------------------------
> >http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> >----------------------------------------------------------
> >My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
> >
> >
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: warning! virus |
Please do your homework before cluttering up our mailboxes.
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Alan Laudani wrote:
>
> I have been informed of a new virus - WOBBLER. It will arrive on
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>
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> your
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> Microsoft Internet Explorer. Do not open anything with this title and
> please pass this message on to all your contacts and anyone who uses
> your e-mail
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> as
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: A stitch in time |
Dannymac,
I had done my Fisher 3" outside and 2" inside propwash area. Think the
book calls for " the prop wash distance, and to the next full rib".
I used a trick I saw somewhere, that worked great...
get a piece of "white elastic garter" the kind you would get at the sewing
store. about 3/8 or 1/2" wide by about 6ft. lg and put marks every 1 3/4" or
so. Then on innermost rib to get wide spacing, and tip rib, mark where
front and rear stitch will be ,and lay end mark of garter on front and
stretch garter to rear mark. now stretch garter till you get the spacing you
want. you always get even spacing. Mark this rib and tip rib. Then do
prop wash area with closer spacing. Snap chalk lines, and you're ready to
stitch
Walt Evans
-----Original Message-----
From: dannymac <dannymac@hal-pc.org>
Date: Saturday, July 10, 1999 1:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A stitch in time
>Dear List,
>
> How far apart did some of you stitch your wing ribs? I've watched
>some of the "Pitts" being stitched about an inch apart........I'm not
>sure the performance of a Piet requires them to be so close together.
>And how about the tail feathers also?
>
>Dannymac
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Solar powered piet spotted in NH |
Check this out folks, a Piet spotted at the Yankee Ultralight Flyers
fly-in in NH with solar power! It's GPS and other electrics are powered
by a solar panel just aft of the engine. pics:
http://www.aircamper.org/acimg/TPaiement2.jpg
http://www.aircamper.org/acimg/TPaiement3.jpg
http://www.aircamper.org/acimg/TPaiement1.jpg
A fine looking plane based in Bath, Maine only an hour north of me.
He's offered me a ride in it too! Cant wait!
Richard
===
"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how
in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
----------------------------------------------------------
My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Corvair List Server |
For the Corvair guys,
I saw this on the Aircraft Builders List, and thought it might be of
interest to those of you thinking of going the Corvair route.
Al Swanson
>Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:46:54 -0500
>From: "Bruce Ray"
>Subject: Fwd: Corvair Listserver
>
>I thought that this might be of interest to some of those on the ABM list.
>Bruce Ray
>
>==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==================
>
>OK.....lets see how a Corvair list "flies". Below is the info about how to
>subscribe. I'm also going to post this to the Dfly list.
>
>I have just set up the list called CorvAIRCRAFT. You can subscribe by
>sending a message to the following address
>
>majordomo(at)listserv.usm.edu
>
>with "subscribe corvaircraft" in the body of the message.
>
>
>Posts can be sent to the listserve at this address
>
>corvaircraft(at)usm.edu
>
>
>We should have several members sign up in the next few days. In a day or
>two, please send a post to the list to introduce yourself. Also, to help
>get the ball rolling, feel free to post whatever Corvair conversion
>questions, comments, etc. that you have.
>
>If you know of anyone else who might be interested in Corvair conversions,
>please tell them about the CorvAIRCRAFT list.
>
>thanks,
>Glen
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | More on rib stitching |
Regarding Walt's suggestion, here's a way we O.F.'s do it on Cubs and other
rag bags:
When laying out your rib spacing per A. C. 43-13, or whatever reference you
use, remember this trick: Lay your elastic on the underside of the wing
(shortest distance from l.e. to t.e.) and make sure it isn't stretched.
Starting from the rear edge of any leading edge covering, mark your spacing,
being sure to mark the back of the trailing edge, as this will become a
reference mark. Don't forget to mark both the tape and the wing. Move your
tape to the upper surface, stretch it to fit the upper camber and tape it
down. The forward mark should be the same distance back from the leading
edge as it was on the bottom camber. Mark your wing surface at the expanded
reference points. Do this on the outermost rib and on the innermost wide
stitch rib, run your chalk mark, and do some sewing. By stretching the tape
like this, you automatically adjust the stitch spacing, and will have less
problems figuring out where to punch the needle holes to have the stitches
line up. It's actually easier to do than to read about, and negates a common
problem area. Try it, you'll like it!
Ed
Dannymac,
I had done my Fisher 3" outside and 2" inside propwash area. Think the
book calls for " the prop wash distance, and to the next full rib".
I used a trick I saw somewhere, that worked great...
get a piece of "white elastic garter" the kind you would get at the sewing
store. about 3/8 or 1/2" wide by about 6ft. lg and put marks every 1 3/4" or
so. Then on innermost rib to get wide spacing, and tip rib, mark where
front and rear stitch will be ,and lay end mark of garter on front and
stretch garter to rear mark. now stretch garter till you get the spacing you
want. you always get even spacing. Mark this rib and tip rib. Then do
prop wash area with closer spacing. Snap chalk lines, and you're ready to
stitch
Walt Evans
-----Original Message-----
From: dannymac <dannymac@hal-pc.org>
Date: Saturday, July 10, 1999 1:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A stitch in time
>Dear List,
>
> How far apart did some of you stitch your wing ribs? I've watched
>some of the "Pitts" being stitched about an inch apart........I'm not
>sure the performance of a Piet requires them to be so close together.
>And how about the tail feathers also?
>
>Dannymac
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ted Brousseau <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
| Subject: | W&B and wire tension |
Hi,
I am looking at my GN-1 plans and there is a statement that says, "Specified
CG range is: 18.1 - 20.7. Is that the outer limits of the CG? Is that what
everyone elses plans specify? The reason I ask is the statement I see on
Pietenpol plans that says CG should never be over 20".
Also, what tension should the cross wires by the struts be? Can't find that
in the plans either.
Thanks, Ted
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Brusilow <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: W&B and wire tension |
>Hi,
>
>I am looking at my GN-1 plans and there is a statement that says,
"Specified
>CG range is: 18.1 - 20.7. Is that the outer limits of the CG? Is that
what
>everyone elses plans specify? The reason I ask is the statement I see on
>Pietenpol plans that says CG should never be over 20".
>
>Also, what tension should the cross wires by the struts be? Can't find
that
>in the plans either.
>
>Thanks, Ted
Ted, if you are building a GN-1, place the CG in the range specified. The
Piet is a different airplane. Don't mix them up.
I did the wires by feel. When they felt tight enough, ( but not too tight ),
that was it.
Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Patrick & Rita O'Brien <obrienscamp(at)netzero.net> |
| Subject: | Re: warning! virus |
Patrick Panzera,
I dont want to clutter up "our" mailboxes, but,
Have a "relax pill"!
Maybe this person ....
A) thought, with good intentions, that this virus was (or is) a real
deal.
B) didn't know that this website even exists and supposedly evaluates
virus hoaxes .. I didn't
Cant we all just get along (and try to at least be polite)
Bert
bwm(at)Planttel.net
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| From: | Patcoolnet(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: warning! virus |
AMEN!!!!!
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| Subject: | Re: A stitch in time |
Dave;
Yup, you are right, just didn't read that far. Don't own anything that goes
that fast except my wife.........
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: David B. Schober <dschober(at)mail.fscwv.edu>
Date: Saturday, July 10, 1999 2:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A stitch in time
>Earl, Any airplane with a Vne over about 230/240 will have 1" spacing. My
Howard
>has 2" spacing along the fuselage and tail surfaces with a Vne of 270.
Fuselage
>and empennage can have spacing twice that of the wing.
>
>Earl Myers wrote:
>
>> Dmac;
>> I think the speed range of the Piet permits the widest gap between
stitches
>> at 3-1/2" unless those stitches are in the prop slipstream. Then it is
>> reduced to 2-1/2". This info is in the Stits Manual and CAM 18 Manuals.
Need
>> to double check tho. Nowhere on any plane would you need stitches 1"
apart
>> unless it is the Haboo..........
>> Earl Myers
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dannymac <dannymac@hal-pc.org>
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Date: Saturday, July 10, 1999 1:58 AM
>> Subject: A stitch in time
>>
>> >Dear List,
>> >
>> > How far apart did some of you stitch your wing ribs? I've watched
>> >some of the "Pitts" being stitched about an inch apart........I'm not
>> >sure the performance of a Piet requires them to be so close together.
>> >And how about the tail feathers also?
>> >
>> >Dannymac
>> >
>> >
>
>
>--
>
**
>David B.Schober, CPE
>Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
>Fairmont State College
>National Aerospace Education Center
>1050 East Benedum Industrial Drive
>Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503
>(304) 842-8300
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A stitch in time |
Thanks much Guys,
I haven't received anything on the stitching process till now and
plan to learn-up well before the time comes. UPDATE
All the center section wood is cut and waiting for fittings before
assembly, so I decided to begin laying out the tail. I was able to make
several joints framing in the rudder in between calls today. Richard:
I'll have photos soon now that there is something besides ribs to share.
Dannymac
Earl Myers wrote:
>
> Dave;
> Yup, you are right, just didn't read that far. Don't own anything that goes
> that fast except my wife.........
> Earl Myers
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David B. Schober <dschober(at)mail.fscwv.edu>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Saturday, July 10, 1999 2:17 PM
> Subject: Re: A stitch in time
>
> >Earl, Any airplane with a Vne over about 230/240 will have 1" spacing. My
> Howard
> >has 2" spacing along the fuselage and tail surfaces with a Vne of 270.
> Fuselage
> >and empennage can have spacing twice that of the wing.
> >
> >Earl Myers wrote:
> >
> >> Dmac;
> >> I think the speed range of the Piet permits the widest gap between
> stitches
> >> at 3-1/2" unless those stitches are in the prop slipstream. Then it is
> >> reduced to 2-1/2". This info is in the Stits Manual and CAM 18 Manuals.
> Need
> >> to double check tho. Nowhere on any plane would you need stitches 1"
> apart
> >> unless it is the Haboo..........
> >> Earl Myers
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Christopher Gregersen <CCGregersen(at)worldnet.att.net> |
I'm doing some research on where to buy wood for my Piet. project and have
considered buying it from, Western Aircraft Supplies (Jean Peters) in
Alberta, Canada. It's my understanding that he mills all the wood to
specs. If you have personally, know of someone you has, or heard good, bad
or otherwise about buying wood from Western Aircraft Supplies, please let
me know your thoughts or concerns.
Thanks, Chris G.
________________________________________________________________________________
I have used him for all my fuselage and tail material. Very high
quality wood, all the right sizes, and a few spare pieces thrown in
free (which came in REAL handy for me!). Highly recommended. Just make
sre you're familiar with customs if your in the US, it can be a pain. I
recommend calling customs a week or two before you expect the wood to
arrive to get the paper trail started.
Heres a pic of the wood I got from him:
http://www.aircamper.org/acimg/WesternAircraftWood.jpg
Richard
--- Christopher Gregersen wrote:
> I'm doing some research on where to buy wood for my Piet. project and
> have
> considered buying it from, Western Aircraft Supplies (Jean Peters) in
> Alberta, Canada. It's my understanding that he mills all the wood to
> specs. If you have personally, know of someone you has, or heard
> good, bad
> or otherwise about buying wood from Western Aircraft Supplies, please
> let
> me know your thoughts or concerns.
> Thanks, Chris G.
>
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| From: | Replicraft(at)aol.com |
Chris-
Although I use Wicks Aircraft for all our Spruce needs, I have heard only
GOOD things about Western Aircraft Supplies.
Steve
Replicraft Aviation
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| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: two-piece floor |
You could maybe try this take a board about 6'' by 1' long at one cut a
notch
big enough to accomadate a drum sander that goes on the end of an electric
drill, then nail a small piece of wood strip perpendicular on the same end
of the board as the notch. Now take your electric drill and fit it to the
board upside down with drum sander fitted to notch using wedge
under drill to optain correct angle (pratice on scrap wood).
Attach drill to board with hose clamps using the small piece of
wood that was attached to on end perpendicular hang this over
plywood to be scarfed and slide back and forth using this as a guide!
should scarf already glued joint, use the same aparatus to scarf
plywood that is to be fitted setting angle to get max 16 to 1 if possible!
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 9:46 AM
| Subject: | RE: two-piece floor |
> Any suggesions for scarf-joining the two pieces now that one of them is
> firmly glued to the fuselage? Damn! A butt joint would be THAT bad in
> that location?
>
> --- steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> > Are you making the joints due to the fact that the plywood is to
> > short? I
> > had the same problem, but I scarf jointed the pieces before gluing
> > them to
> > the fuse. I would imagine that getting a good tight scarf joint (16
> > to 1)
> > would be much more difficult on the fuse. Butt joints would of
> > course be a
> > comprimise to safety in a big way.
> >
> > Steve Eldredge
> > IT Services
> > Brigham Young University
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > Of
> > > Richard DeCosta
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 6:20 AM
> > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > > Subject: two-piece floor
> > >
> > >
> > > I never heard back after Steve's "wassup with the two-piece floor"
> > > comment. Can someone verify that this is not going to cause me
> > great
> > > trouble, as I have to do the same thing with the fuse sides. I am
> > > joining the two floor sections at the white ash piece, so
> > > there'll be a
> > > nice solid 3-way joint, and the sides will join at a 1 x 3/4 spruce
> > > piece.
> > >
> > > Richard
> > > ===
> > > "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe
> > > to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this
> > > old?" - Jim Tavenner
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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Patrick & Rita O'Brien wrote:
>
> Patrick Panzera,
>
> I dont want to clutter up "our" mailboxes, but,
> Have a "relax pill"!
snip
> Cant we all just get along (and try to at least be polite)
Bert,
I fail to see how "Please do your homework before cluttering
up our mailboxes." could be considered anything less than
polite.
If it was taken any other way than what I intended, I apologize.
Pat
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| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
Chris,
My wood came from Western Aircraft. It looks good to me and is
not all the expensive - price it out at AS&S. Customs was not
any problem at Rochester, NY. Your mileage may vary if you are
not picking up at an international airport. Total damage was
$1578 US.
Dave
>I'm doing some research on where to buy wood for my Piet. project and have
>considered buying it from, Western Aircraft Supplies (Jean Peters) in
>Alberta, Canada. It's my understanding that he mills all the wood to
>specs. If you have personally, know of someone you has, or heard good, bad
>or otherwise about buying wood from Western Aircraft Supplies, please let
>me know your thoughts or concerns.
>Thanks, Chris G.
>
>
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| From: | michael list <mclist(at)ptw.com> |
Chris,
While I haven't used Western Aircraft, everybody seems to comment
favorably on the wood they have received from them. I would definitely
NOT recommend Aircraft Spruce, the last batch of spruce I received from
them is very poor quality.
Mike L.
Christopher Gregersen wrote:
>
> I'm doing some research on where to buy wood for my Piet. project and have
> considered buying it from, Western Aircraft Supplies (Jean Peters) in
> Alberta, Canada. It's my understanding that he mills all the wood to
> specs. If you have personally, know of someone you has, or heard good, bad
> or otherwise about buying wood from Western Aircraft Supplies, please let
> me know your thoughts or concerns.
> Thanks, Chris G.
________________________________________________________________________________
Dear Christopher and List,
I received all of my spruce from Jean and am quite pleased with it.
Let me warn of a couple of things and make a couple of suggestions as
well. Jean does excellent work and I received my wood just a few weeks
ago. I urged Jean to complete my order as quickly as possible and on
just 2-3 pieces (one being my sternpost), the wood was not ripped very
even or square. Don't rush him. He supplied the hardwood bracing also
even though he does not advertise this.......I was pleasantly surprised.
He did not supply the leading edge spars for the solid or 3-piece wing
except for the center section leading spar and he did not include the
3/8 X 1-3/4 bracing for the 3-piece center section. Although he says
that he supplies all 4 center section spars/edges, he forgot my 2 main
center section spars and insisted on sending them though I never
received them. He injured his right hand a few weeks ago on a table saw
and may not have recovered yet. I picked up the CS spars locally and
wound up waiting for steel so I may receive his in time anyway. He cuts
his pieces just milli-Jeans larger than what the plans call for.....
this includes all the diagonals for the fuse, so if you are planning ANY
modification such as width, you had better let him know so he can leave
it uncut as long stock. He does not provide an itemized packing list and
appears to arbitrarily label his pieces so it might be a good idea to
familiarize yourself with it when it first comes in and make sure it's
all there. Also check the routed pieces of the tail-feathers, those were
the other couple of pieces that were milled a little off. My sternpost
is not usable.
Overall I am pleased with his product. His spruce reminds me of the
quality lumber that was available (I'm sure you remember) at every good
lumber yard way back when the quality we seek cost and extra 2-3 cents a
foot.
Dannymac
Christopher Gregersen wrote:
>
> I'm doing some research on where to buy wood for my Piet. project and have
> considered buying it from, Western Aircraft Supplies (Jean Peters) in
> Alberta, Canada. It's my understanding that he mills all the wood to
> specs. If you have personally, know of someone you has, or heard good, bad
> or otherwise about buying wood from Western Aircraft Supplies, please let
> me know your thoughts or concerns.
> Thanks, Chris G.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael King <mikek(at)nstar.net> |
Hi again from Dallas.
My email program went on the skids
a few days ago and I have not received
any messages from the PIET discussion
group.
Just wondering if folks were off for the
4th Holiday or maybe I got dropped off
the list.
If dropped, I would like to subscribe again.
Thanks..
Mike King
Dallas, Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Anyone online? |
Loud and Clear.
> Hi again from Dallas.
>
> My email program went on the skids
> a few days ago and I have not received
> any messages from the PIET discussion
> group.
>
> Just wondering if folks were off for the
> 4th Holiday or maybe I got dropped off
> the list.
>
> If dropped, I would like to subscribe again.
>
> Thanks..
>
> Mike King
> Dallas, Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
Dmac;
The sternpost of the fuselage winds up being almost triangular, the top
corner flattened a bit. Matbe that is why the raw piece.
There is another "hidden" source for Piet kits from a guy in Iowa named Chad
Wille (the prop maker St. Croix). He has built 3 Aircampers and one
Scout..........'Ole chad is NOT on line. Does Replicraft make wood kits for
the Piet(s)? Isn't he on the Piet list..?...I would trust these two sources
long before anyone else altho I heard from many about Western being good,
American Customs being the worst of the whole deal.........
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: dannymac <dannymac@hal-pc.org>
Date: Sunday, July 11, 1999 4:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Kit
>Dear Christopher and List,
>
> I received all of my spruce from Jean and am quite pleased with it.
>Let me warn of a couple of things and make a couple of suggestions as
>well. Jean does excellent work and I received my wood just a few weeks
>ago. I urged Jean to complete my order as quickly as possible and on
>just 2-3 pieces (one being my sternpost), the wood was not ripped very
>even or square. Don't rush him. He supplied the hardwood bracing also
>even though he does not advertise this.......I was pleasantly surprised.
>He did not supply the leading edge spars for the solid or 3-piece wing
>except for the center section leading spar and he did not include the
>3/8 X 1-3/4 bracing for the 3-piece center section. Although he says
>that he supplies all 4 center section spars/edges, he forgot my 2 main
>center section spars and insisted on sending them though I never
>received them. He injured his right hand a few weeks ago on a table saw
>and may not have recovered yet. I picked up the CS spars locally and
>wound up waiting for steel so I may receive his in time anyway. He cuts
>his pieces just milli-Jeans larger than what the plans call for.....
>this includes all the diagonals for the fuse, so if you are planning ANY
>modification such as width, you had better let him know so he can leave
>it uncut as long stock. He does not provide an itemized packing list and
>appears to arbitrarily label his pieces so it might be a good idea to
>familiarize yourself with it when it first comes in and make sure it's
>all there. Also check the routed pieces of the tail-feathers, those were
>the other couple of pieces that were milled a little off. My sternpost
>is not usable.
> Overall I am pleased with his product. His spruce reminds me of the
>quality lumber that was available (I'm sure you remember) at every good
>lumber yard way back when the quality we seek cost and extra 2-3 cents a
>foot.
>
>Dannymac
>
>
>Christopher Gregersen wrote:
>>
>> I'm doing some research on where to buy wood for my Piet. project and
have
>> considered buying it from, Western Aircraft Supplies (Jean Peters) in
>> Alberta, Canada. It's my understanding that he mills all the wood to
>> specs. If you have personally, know of someone you has, or heard good,
bad
>> or otherwise about buying wood from Western Aircraft Supplies, please let
>> me know your thoughts or concerns.
>> Thanks, Chris G.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Model A engine photos |
Mike;
Those Piet pictures answered 3 questions I had. Thanks for Shannon,=
I
mean, the Piet pictures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Earl
-----Original Message-----
=46rom: Mike Madrid
Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 7:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A engine photos
>Hello
>I had a request for Model A engine photos. I dug out my pictures fro=
m
>Oshkosh 89 and scanned several pictures of the Piet that Ed Sampson,=
hope I
>got the spelling correct, built for Pietenpol Hangar.
>You can see them at
>http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/7827/
>Please let me know if this kind of picture helps.
>Mike Madrid
>My other =93x-rated=94 page http://www.thegrid.net/camera-man/index.=
htm
>
>
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| From: | FordPiet(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone online -- Hi From Shreveport, LA |
Mike,
Yes, we got your e-mail. I'm over in Shreveport-Bossier City, Louisiana.
I'm thinking about building a Piet. I would love to do it as a school
project or at least with my two kids. Do you already have a completed Piet
or are you working on one? Do you know of anyone else with a Piet around
these parts?
Hap Tucker
e-mail: FordPiet(at)aol.com
318-752-3274
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Mike L.
I got my spruce from Aircraft Spruce last Aug (98) I told her what I
wanted ( long fuselage three piece wing) and she sent me an itemized list.
When I said OK, they sent a great order of spruce. Haven't found a piece yet
I couldn't use.
This was spruce only, no ply. In the $1100/$1200 range.
Walt
-----Original Message-----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | michael list <mclist(at)ptw.com> |
>Chris,
>While I haven't used Western Aircraft, everybody seems to comment
>favorably on the wood they have received from them. I would definitely
>NOT recommend Aircraft Spruce, the last batch of spruce I received from
>them is very poor quality.
>Mike L.
>
>
>Christopher Gregersen wrote:
>>
>> I'm doing some research on where to buy wood for my Piet. project and
have
>> considered buying it from, Western Aircraft Supplies (Jean Peters) in
>> Alberta, Canada. It's my understanding that he mills all the wood to
>> specs. If you have personally, know of someone you has, or heard good,
bad
>> or otherwise about buying wood from Western Aircraft Supplies, please let
>> me know your thoughts or concerns.
>> Thanks, Chris G.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CAho878935(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair Engine info |
Hello Pat:
Mr Finch can be contacted at Phone 1-805-683-5346 or Fax 1-805-6838868.
His address as follows:
54 Lassen Dr.
Santa Barbara, CA 93111
He charges about 16.00 bucks for the book.
Craig
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Anyone online? |
And here we are together.
Dannymac
Michael King wrote:
>
> Hi again from Dallas.
>
> My email program went on the skids
> a few days ago and I have not received
> any messages from the PIET discussion
> group.
>
> Just wondering if folks were off for the
> 4th Holiday or maybe I got dropped off
> the list.
>
> If dropped, I would like to subscribe again.
>
> Thanks..
>
> Mike King
> Dallas, Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
In reguard to customs:
I had absolutely NO problem with customs down here near Houston
Intercontinental Airport (Now called Bush Intercontinental.....gag).
They asked me if the wood was in connection with industry or my
livelyhood and when I assured them it was for to build an old wood &
wire recreational airplane just for fun, they stamped the papers that
the air carriers gave me and told me to return them as I pick up my
wood. No duty, no tax, no hassle. Just another raised eyebrow as I
enthusiastically told another potential Piet builder, "You can build one
too!".
Dannymac
Earl Myers wrote:
>
> Dmac;
> The sternpost of the fuselage winds up being almost triangular, the top
> corner flattened a bit. Matbe that is why the raw piece.
> There is another "hidden" source for Piet kits from a guy in Iowa named Chad
> Wille (the prop maker St. Croix). He has built 3 Aircampers and one
> Scout..........'Ole chad is NOT on line. Does Replicraft make wood kits for
> the Piet(s)? Isn't he on the Piet list..?...I would trust these two sources
> long before anyone else altho I heard from many about Western being good,
> American Customs being the worst of the whole deal.........
> Earl Myers
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dannymac <dannymac@hal-pc.org>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Sunday, July 11, 1999 4:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Spruce Kit
>
> >Dear Christopher and List,
> >
> > I received all of my spruce from Jean and am quite pleased with it.
> >Let me warn of a couple of things and make a couple of suggestions as
> >well. Jean does excellent work and I received my wood just a few weeks
> >ago. I urged Jean to complete my order as quickly as possible and on
> >just 2-3 pieces (one being my sternpost), the wood was not ripped very
> >even or square. Don't rush him. He supplied the hardwood bracing also
> >even though he does not advertise this.......I was pleasantly surprised.
> >He did not supply the leading edge spars for the solid or 3-piece wing
> >except for the center section leading spar and he did not include the
> >3/8 X 1-3/4 bracing for the 3-piece center section. Although he says
> >that he supplies all 4 center section spars/edges, he forgot my 2 main
> >center section spars and insisted on sending them though I never
> >received them. He injured his right hand a few weeks ago on a table saw
> >and may not have recovered yet. I picked up the CS spars locally and
> >wound up waiting for steel so I may receive his in time anyway. He cuts
> >his pieces just milli-Jeans larger than what the plans call for.....
> >this includes all the diagonals for the fuse, so if you are planning ANY
> >modification such as width, you had better let him know so he can leave
> >it uncut as long stock. He does not provide an itemized packing list and
> >appears to arbitrarily label his pieces so it might be a good idea to
> >familiarize yourself with it when it first comes in and make sure it's
> >all there. Also check the routed pieces of the tail-feathers, those were
> >the other couple of pieces that were milled a little off. My sternpost
> >is not usable.
> > Overall I am pleased with his product. His spruce reminds me of the
> >quality lumber that was available (I'm sure you remember) at every good
> >lumber yard way back when the quality we seek cost and extra 2-3 cents a
> >foot.
> >
> >Dannymac
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Christopher Gregersen wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm doing some research on where to buy wood for my Piet. project and
> have
> >> considered buying it from, Western Aircraft Supplies (Jean Peters) in
> >> Alberta, Canada. It's my understanding that he mills all the wood to
> >> specs. If you have personally, know of someone you has, or heard good,
> bad
> >> or otherwise about buying wood from Western Aircraft Supplies, please let
> >> me know your thoughts or concerns.
> >> Thanks, Chris G.
> >
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gerald Shepardson <gandg(at)mn.mediaone.net> |
Please unsubscribe me for present. Too many Pietenpol E-Mails keeping me
from receiving my business E-mails. Thank you. I have a granddaughter at
BYU.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug <ve6zh(at)oanet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair Engine info |
Sorry i missed you there,also bought the book from Mr. Finch,a down to
earth interesting man.
Did not see any piets there,bummer.
Doug
> From: Patrick Panzera
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Corvair Engine info
> Date: Saturday, July 10, 1999 10:35 AM
>
> CAho878935(at)aol.com wrote:
> >
> > I talked with Mr Finch at the Arlinton Flying yesterday. I also bought
his
> > book on the corvair and like it.
>
> How can I do likewise?
>
> Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug <ve6zh(at)oanet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A stitch in time |
2.5 inches
Doug
> From: dannymac <dannymac@hal-pc.org>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: A stitch in time
> Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 11:58 PM
>
> Dear List,
>
> How far apart did some of you stitch your wing ribs? I've watched
> some of the "Pitts" being stitched about an inch apart........I'm not
> sure the performance of a Piet requires them to be so close together.
> And how about the tail feathers also?
>
> Dannymac
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: A stitch in time |
Thanks Doug from Dannymac
Doug wrote:
>
> 2.5 inches
> Doug
>
> ----------
> > From: dannymac <dannymac@hal-pc.org>
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: A stitch in time
> > Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 11:58 PM
> >
> > Dear List,
> >
> > How far apart did some of you stitch your wing ribs? I've
> watched
> > some of the "Pitts" being stitched about an inch apart........I'm
> not
> > sure the performance of a Piet requires them to be so close
> together.
> > And how about the tail feathers also?
> >
> > Dannymac
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: A stitch in time |
Doug wrote:
>
> 2.5 inches
> Doug
>
> ----------
> > From: dannymac <dannymac@hal-pc.org>
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: A stitch in time
> > Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 11:58 PM
> >
> > Dear List,
Thanks Doug from Dannymac
> >
> > How far apart did some of you stitch your wing ribs? I've
> watched
> > some of the "Pitts" being stitched about an inch apart........I'm
> not
> > sure the performance of a Piet requires them to be so close
> together.
> > And how about the tail feathers also?
> >
> > Dannymac
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