Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-az
July 12, 1999 - August 02, 1999
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| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: W&B and wire tension |
Ted- I think the most aft you want to be flying your plane
is about 33% aft of the L.E. of the wing, no ? (rule of thumb
aero engineering)...and that works out to about 21" on the
Piet. My most aft CG loading yields a cg of 19.75" and it flies
ok there, but does better with more fuel in the nose tank.
I don't think you'll ever find a Piet or GN-1 with a 'forward cg problem",
but then again.....
The cross wire tension on Piets/GN-1's that I have 'twanged' varies all
across the board. I made my tight to where when I pulled on them they
seemed about equal in tension. I didn't like the Piets I flew where I saw
them 'buzzing' /vibrating out in the slipstream. Mine don't flutter or
move in flight and somehow my gut tells me that's good.
I suppose you could use a tensiometer but no one or the plans tell
you what it should read. Maybe one of our wiser members could give you
more insight to my windage method.
Mike C.
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| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Model A engine photos |
>Mike;
> Those Piet pictures answered 3 questions I had. Thanks for Shannon, I
>mean, the Piet pictures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Earl
I just fell in love with Shannon.....until I saw the big rock on her ring
finger !! I'm still in love though....you know, the Fly Baby !!!
Iron
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| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone online -- Hi From Shreveport, LA |
>Mike,
>
>Yes, we got your e-mail. I'm over in Shreveport-Bossier City, Louisiana.
>I'm thinking about building a Piet. I would love to do it as a school
>project or at least with my two kids. Do you already have a completed Piet
>or are you working on one? Do you know of anyone else with a Piet around
>these parts?
>
>Hap Tucker
>e-mail: FordPiet(at)aol.com
>318-752-3274
Hello Hap- Yes, I have an Air Camper flying. I rec'd your order for the Piet
video and it will go in the mail today. You should have it by the weekend.
You can find out more at Grant MacLaren's wonderful web site below:
http://users.aol.com/bpanews/index.html
AND Richard DeCosta's equally awesome site here at:
http://www.aircamper.org/
Mike C.
Mike,
Yes, we got your e-mail. I'm over in Shreveport-Bossier
City, Louisiana.
I'm thinking about building a Piet. I would love to do it as a
school
project or at least with my two kids. Do you already have
a completed Piet
or are you working on one? Do you know of anyone else with a
Piet around
these parts?
Hap Tucker
e-mail: FordPiet(at)aol.com
318-752-3274
Hello Hap- Yes, I have an Air Camper flying. I rec'd your
order for the Piet
video and it will go in the mail today. You should have it by the
weekend.
You can find out more at Grant MacLaren's wonderful web site below:
http://users.aol.com/bpanews/index.html
AND Richard DeCosta's equally awesome site here at:
http://www.aircamper.org/
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Model A engine photos |
Hello Iron
Yes, Shannon is very married. The pictures were taken in August and Shannon
had given birth to her son on Feb.28 the same year.
Mike Madrid
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/7827/
>>Mike;
>> Those Piet pictures answered 3 questions I had. Thanks for Shannon, I
>>mean, the Piet pictures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>Earl
>
>I just fell in love with Shannon.....until I saw the big rock on her ring
>finger !! I'm still in love though....you know, the Fly Baby !!!
>
>Iron
>
>
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Guys;
I am at the point of making the stock model A hub for my Scout. Per
the plans and the photos provided by Mike Madrid, the prop "bolts" are
threaded on both ends and use a check nut on the engine side of the
flange. This secures the back prop plate to the machined hub and then to
the flange. Have you guys that have done this relieved or counter-bored
the back side of the prop to fit over these nuts or????????????
Earl Myers
Guys;
I am at the point of making
the stock
model A hub for my Scout. Per the plans and the photos provided by Mike
Madrid,
the prop bolts are threaded on both ends and use a check nut
on the
engine side of the flange. This secures the back prop plate to the
machined hub
and then to the flange. Have you guys that have done this relieved or
counter-bored the back side of the prop to fit over these nuts
or????????????
Earl
Myers
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| From: | Mike Bell <mbell(at)sctcorp.com> |
I got no wires or supporting documents. If any one has
supproting documentation for this mag, I would sure like to get a
copy.
Mike Bell
Columbia, SC
Richard DeCosta on 07/09/99 11:23:24 AM
Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
cc:
Subject: Pietenpol-List: $15 mags
Ordered my 2 mags yesterday... the guy mentioned the wires the go
with
it. Do most of you get those too? I held off on them for now, not
knowing if I'd need them.
Richard
===
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fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" -
Jim Tavenner
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| From: | Randall Reihing <rreihing(at)eng.utoledo.edu> |
Call Army Surplus at 208-529-4555 or write to:
Army Surplus Warehouse
635 West Boundary
Idaho Falls, Idaho 83402
>I've looked back in history and can't find the address to order these mags.
>Anyone know the address?
>
>bed(at)mindspring.com
>
>
Randall Reihing
University of Toledo
College of Engineering
MIME Department
419-530-8244
FAX: 419-530-8206
E-Mail: rreihing(at)eng.utoledo.edu
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| From: | mboynton(at)excite.com |
Patrick,
Yes, very interesting. Is this company still "alive?"
Mark Boynton
Gilbert, Arizona
> Larry Shull sent me a scanned image of the front
> page of the Gyrodynamics Catalogue.
>
> Interesting.
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/Dragonfly/images/TMP2.JPG
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| From: | User554784(at)aol.com |
Mike,
I have a copy of the Maintenance/Overhaul Manual for the 4200/6200 series
Magneto. I believe this is the same as the 4220 military mag. I can make a
copy and mail it to you or I can give you a copy at Oshkosh or Broached. E
mail or call (920-231-7163) if you are interested.
Phil C.
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| From: | Mike W Creech <mwcreech(at)juno.com> |
Please remove or unsubscribe me from email list ref piet. Thanks
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| From: | John Greenlee <jgreenlee(at)morgan.net> |
| Subject: | Re: W&B and wire tension |
Mike B gave a good answer. Tighten them up tight enough but not too tight.
Clever.
The old red Piet that Gary and Mehlin keep at Brodhead provided an
interesting study to me. In certain maneuvers you can see the cross wires
on the right side of the front cockpit go slack. Hmmmmm.....
JMG
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov>
Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 7:08 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: W&B and wire tension
>Ted- I think the most aft you want to be flying your plane
>is about 33% aft of the L.E. of the wing, no ? (rule of thumb
>aero engineering)...and that works out to about 21" on the
>Piet. My most aft CG loading yields a cg of 19.75" and it flies
>ok there, but does better with more fuel in the nose tank.
>I don't think you'll ever find a Piet or GN-1 with a 'forward cg problem",
>but then again.....
>
>The cross wire tension on Piets/GN-1's that I have 'twanged' varies all
>across the board. I made my tight to where when I pulled on them they
>seemed about equal in tension. I didn't like the Piets I flew where I saw
>them 'buzzing' /vibrating out in the slipstream. Mine don't flutter or
>move in flight and somehow my gut tells me that's good.
>I suppose you could use a tensiometer but no one or the plans tell
>you what it should read. Maybe one of our wiser members could give you
>more insight to my windage method.
>
>Mike C.
>
>
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| From: | John Greenlee <jgreenlee(at)morgan.net> |
Earl,
All I can tell you is what I did. I obtained a great deal of assistance
from Howard Henderson. I carved a homemade prop for the Piet and then
bored it for the Model A bolt pattern. The retaining plate is made from
a piece of 1/4" aluminum. Howard insisted we make a centering part by
turning a piece of tubing to press into the big shallow on the center of
the flywheel flange. This matches a hole bored in the prop to a slip
fit.
The whole thing is held on by AN bolts of the appropriate size. We
still need to have the heads of the bolts drilled for safety wire.
JMG
-----Original Message-----
From: Earl Myers
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 9:01 AM
Guys;
I am at the point of making the stock model A hub for my Scout.
Per the plans and the photos provided by Mike Madrid, the prop "bolts"
are threaded on both ends and use a check nut on the engine side of the
flange. This secures the back prop plate to the machined hub and then to
the flange. Have you guys that have done this relieved or counter-bored
the back side of the prop to fit over these nuts or????????????
Earl Myers
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| From: | Mike Cunningham <mikec(at)microlandusa.com> |
Hello Piet Guys,
In my travels this weekend I found an abandoned Soob EA-81. I am sure it is
run out at least, as it was pulled from the vehicle with all accessories
attached, even the A/C compressor. I think this is only worth dragging home
if Soob EA-81's are getting hard to find or cores are expensive. Can
somebody let me know if either of these things are true. It's in the Dallas
area, If you need it I'll tell you where to go pick it up.
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Davis
Date: Sunday, July 11, 1999 9:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: $15 mag?
>I've looked back in history and can't find the address to order these mags.
>Anyone know the address?
>
>bed(at)mindspring.com
>
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| From: | Mike W Creech <mwcreech(at)juno.com> |
--------- Begin forwarded message ----------
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| From: | Mike W Creech <mwcreech(at)juno.com> |
Please remove or unsubscribe me from email list ref piet. Thanks
__________
--------- End forwarded message ----------
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| From: | Mike Bell <mbell(at)sctcorp.com> |
Thanks, I'll be flying in Thursday afternoon to Madison and
planned to drive straight to Brodhead. I'll be at Brodhead and
Oshkosh through Sunday.
Mike Bell,
Columbia, SC
User554784(at)aol.com on 07/12/99 10:44:38 AM
Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
cc:
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: $15 mags
Mike,
I have a copy of the Maintenance/Overhaul Manual for the
4200/6200 series
Magneto. I believe this is the same as the 4220 military mag. I
can make a
copy and mail it to you or I can give you a copy at Oshkosh or
Broached. E
mail or call (920-231-7163) if you are interested.
Phil C.
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| From: | "Cushway, Mike" <mike_cushway(at)trekbike.com> |
Several of the Model A powered Piets that I examine in pictures seem to be
running without the water pump. Are these guys relying on the thermo-syphon
alone to exchange water?
Mike Cushway
Mfg. Engineering
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| Subject: | Re: WaterPump(less) |
Mike;
The Scout I refered to earlier that was built and flown by Chad Willie (in
Oregon) had no water pump. It relied on the thermo-syphon system as you
described........
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Cushway, Mike <mike_cushway(at)trekbike.com>
Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 12:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: WaterPump(less)
>Several of the Model A powered Piets that I examine in pictures seem to be
>running without the water pump. Are these guys relying on the thermo-syphon
>alone to exchange water?
>
>Mike Cushway
> Mfg. Engineering
>
>
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John;
I got all that and think that is the way to go. I have the prop (from
Chad Willie) and am getting ready to (have machined) do the two prop
plates and the flange with the "tube" thru the prop, more or less what
you did. I was just curious why BHP did it "hih" way..........
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: John Greenlee <jgreenlee(at)morgan.net>
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 11:10 AM
Subject: Re:
Earl,
All I can tell you is what I did. I obtained a great deal of
assistance from Howard Henderson. I carved a homemade prop for the Piet
and then bored it for the Model A bolt pattern. The retaining plate is
made from a piece of 1/4" aluminum. Howard insisted we make a centering
part by turning a piece of tubing to press into the big shallow on the
center of the flywheel flange. This matches a hole bored in the prop to
a slip fit.
The whole thing is held on by AN bolts of the appropriate size. We
still need to have the heads of the bolts drilled for safety wire.
JMG
From: Earl Myers
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 9:01 AM
Guys;
I am at the point of making the stock model A hub for my
Scout. Per the plans and the photos provided by Mike Madrid, the prop
"bolts" are threaded on both ends and use a check nut on the engine side
of the flange. This secures the back prop plate to the machined hub and
then to the flange. Have you guys that have done this relieved or
counter-bored the back side of the prop to fit over these nuts
or????????????
Earl Myers
________________________________________________________________________________
I had sent for their catalog last year but never received it nor a reply to
a follow-up.........
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: mboynton(at)excite.com <mboynton(at)excite.com>
Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 10:39 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: PSRU
>Patrick,
>
>Yes, very interesting. Is this company still "alive?"
>
>Mark Boynton
>Gilbert, Arizona
>
>
>> Larry Shull sent me a scanned image of the front
>> page of the Gyrodynamics Catalogue.
>>
>> Interesting.
>>
>> http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/Dragonfly/images/TMP2.JPG
>
>
>_______________________________________________________
>
>
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| From: | Chad Johnson <cjohnson(at)jayhawkpl.com> |
Hello all,, I know this is kinda last minute but I'll throw this out
anyway.
For those flying thier peits to Broadhead please consider McPherson,
Kansas for a fuel stop and or overnight. McPherson is approx 60 miles
North of Wichita or 30 miles south of Salina on I-135. The identifier
is MPR. The airport is uncontrolled, 18-36 4200ft paved, 8-26 2500
grass, unicom is 122.8 and elev is 1500msl. I have a big hangar, room
enough for 2 or 3 peits. Both auto and 100 LL are available. I'll even
throw in a free tank of gas to the first peit to touch down. So
please, all that are interested consider yourself welcome. Enjoy the
flyin all. Maby next year I'll get there. My phone is 316-241-9340.
Happy flying. Chad Johnson
-----Original Message-----
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:05:38 -0700
Hey Everyone:
Contact www.replicraft.com for good Piet parts, and an 80% built-up fuse
and all wing ribs are available pre-built if you like, in addition to all
metal fittings. Using these for my middle school Piet project.
John Bayer
Meany Magnet School Piet Project, Seattle
writes:
>Mike L.
> I got my spruce from Aircraft Spruce last Aug (98) I told her what
>I
>wanted ( long fuselage three piece wing) and she sent me an itemized
>list.
>When I said OK, they sent a great order of spruce. Haven't found a
>piece yet
>I couldn't use.
> This was spruce only, no ply. In the $1100/$1200 range.
>Walt
>-----Original Message-----
>From: michael list <mclist(at)ptw.com>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Sunday, July 11, 1999 1:41 PM
>Subject: Re: Spruce Kit
>
>
>>Chris,
>>While I haven't used Western Aircraft, everybody seems to comment
>>favorably on the wood they have received from them. I would
>definitely
>>NOT recommend Aircraft Spruce, the last batch of spruce I received
>from
>>them is very poor quality.
>>Mike L.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Christopher Gregersen wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm doing some research on where to buy wood for my Piet. project
>and
>have
>>> considered buying it from, Western Aircraft Supplies (Jean Peters)
>in
>>> Alberta, Canada. It's my understanding that he mills all the wood
>to
>>> specs. If you have personally, know of someone you has, or heard
>good,
>bad
>>> or otherwise about buying wood from Western Aircraft Supplies,
>please let
>>> me know your thoughts or concerns.
>>> Thanks, Chris G.
>>
>
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| From: | "Sayre, William G" <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com> |
| Subject: | RE: WaterPump(less) |
Mike,
Some of those guys may be using alternate pumps to avoid the packing/leaking
mess of the original water pumps. There was a camp-fire debate between
Speed-queen and Maytag pumps at Brodhead some time back. Speed-queen seem to
win and that's what I'm using (but then I'm not airborne yet!).
Bill Sayre
> ----------
> From: Cushway, Mike[SMTP:mike_cushway(at)trekbike.com]
> Reply To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 8:57 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: WaterPump(less)
>
> Several of the Model A powered Piets that I examine in pictures seem to be
> running without the water pump. Are these guys relying on the thermo-syphon
> alone to exchange water?
>
> Mike Cushway
> Mfg. Engineering
>
>
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| From: | Michael King <mikek(at)nstar.net> |
I thought I would try again to get online with the
discussion group. I don't know why I fell off the
list, but will try to subscribe again.
Thanks....
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Dallas, Texas
(214) 905-9299
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| From: | CAho878935(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair Engine info |
No Piets at Arlington this year.
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| From: | Replicraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Spruce Kit |
John-
Thanks for the plug!!!
The correct web address is
http://www.replicraftaviation.com
Steve
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| From: | FordPiet(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Middle School Piet Project |
John,
I would like to know more about your middle school Piet project. Do you have
a website or some general info that you could e-mail to me? I've been trying
to figure out if I could build a Pietenpol as a school or group project here.
I contacted EAA and they had some helpful information. Are you using the
parts and/or plans to teach math, vector analysis, or other types of school
related subjects? Thanks for any information and/or advice you can give me.
Hap,
Shreveport, LA
Hey Everyone:
Contact www.replicraft.com for good Piet parts, and an 80% built-up fuse
and all wing ribs are available pre-built if you like, in addition to all
metal fittings. Using these for my middle school Piet project.
John Bayer
Meany Magnet School Piet Project, Seattle
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| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
| Subject: | Re: WaterPump(less) |
Just a comment on the water pumps as an owner of a stock Model AA truck that
used to be driven daily, untill it was hidden behind all this aircraft
stuff!
-Problems with the stock pumps.
-The shaft and bearings must be in good shape if you expect the grafite
packing to be reasonably leak free.
**The stock location is poor!** The pump creates a low pressure area in the
head as it circulates the water. This is one possible cause of boiling gas
pockets displacing coolant.
A much better location would be the lower mounted (washing machine type)
feeding the block inlet. A second advantage to this location is to reduce
the throw back of leaked coolant as it is now with in the cowl.
John Mc
-----Original Message-----
From: Sayre, William G <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 4:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: WaterPump(less)
>Mike,
> Some of those guys may be using alternate pumps to avoid the
packing/leaking mess of the original water pumps. There was a camp-fire
debate between Speed-queen and Maytag pumps at Brodhead some time back.
Speed-queen seem to win and that's what I'm using (but then I'm not airborne
yet!).
>
>Bill Sayre
>> ----------
>> From: Cushway, Mike[SMTP:mike_cushway(at)trekbike.com]
>> Reply To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 8:57 AM
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Subject: WaterPump(less)
>>
>> Several of the Model A powered Piets that I examine in pictures seem to
be
>> running without the water pump. Are these guys relying on the
thermo-syphon
>> alone to exchange water?
>>
>> Mike Cushway
>> Mfg. Engineering
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Have I been unsubscribed from the Piet list? |
About 1 1/2 weeks ago I requested that I be unsubscribed from the
Tailwind group. It seems I have lost the Pietenpol group as well.
PLEASE SUBSCRIBE FOR THE PIETENPOL LIST ONLY.
Thanks,
Graham Hansen
About 1 1/2 weeks ago I requested
that I be
unsubscribed from the
Tailwind group. It seems I have lost
the
Pietenpol group as well.
PLEASE SUBSCRIBE FOR THE PIETENPOL
LIST
ONLY.
Thanks,
Graham Hansen
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| Subject: | Re: WaterPump(less) |
I bought a super-duper leakless, stainless water pump for my "A" only to
find out it won't work due to the radiator location. I have since bought a
side mount Model "T" water pump that feeds the block, bolts right on. We'll
see how it works.......
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: John McNarry <jmcnarry(at)techplus.com>
Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 9:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: WaterPump(less)
>Just a comment on the water pumps as an owner of a stock Model AA truck
that
>used to be driven daily, untill it was hidden behind all this aircraft
>stuff!
>
>-Problems with the stock pumps.
>
>-The shaft and bearings must be in good shape if you expect the grafite
>packing to be reasonably leak free.
>**The stock location is poor!** The pump creates a low pressure area in the
>head as it circulates the water. This is one possible cause of boiling gas
>pockets displacing coolant.
>A much better location would be the lower mounted (washing machine type)
>feeding the block inlet. A second advantage to this location is to reduce
>the throw back of leaked coolant as it is now with in the cowl.
>
>John Mc
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sayre, William G <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 4:37 PM
>Subject: RE: WaterPump(less)
>
>
>>Mike,
>> Some of those guys may be using alternate pumps to avoid the
>packing/leaking mess of the original water pumps. There was a camp-fire
>debate between Speed-queen and Maytag pumps at Brodhead some time back.
>Speed-queen seem to win and that's what I'm using (but then I'm not
airborne
>yet!).
>>
>>Bill Sayre
>>> ----------
>>> From: Cushway, Mike[SMTP:mike_cushway(at)trekbike.com]
>>> Reply To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 8:57 AM
>>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>> Subject: WaterPump(less)
>>>
>>> Several of the Model A powered Piets that I examine in pictures seem to
>be
>>> running without the water pump. Are these guys relying on the
>thermo-syphon
>>> alone to exchange water?
>>>
>>> Mike Cushway
>>> Mfg. Engineering
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | michael list <mclist(at)ptw.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Spruce Kit |
Hey Walt!
Glad you got some good wood. In defense of Aircraft Spruce (I still
enjoy doing business with them) I should list the specific problems that
I had. I don't think they are alone in having problems getting good
spruce. They are: 1) Brittle wood that snapped completely and too
easily while doing bend tests along 6" sections of capstrip, 2)
Excessive grain runout in both length and width, 3) insufficient grain
per inch, as low as 5 per inch and 4) grain angle too flat across the
width of the capstrip. The first batch I received was from Aircraft
Spruce West, the second was drop shipped from Aircraft Spruce East.
West sent much better material than East, scrap rate fresh out of the
box is about 15% West to almost 25% East. Some of the wood that snapped
at low stress levels had beautiful grain but was noticeably lighter than
the rest of the lot.
Gave me the willies knowing that I can test the capstrip, but not so
easily a spar before use. My point is to test whatever you get before
building with it, especially after hearing a talk from an FAA accident
investigator about a spruce spar failure on a Cassutt recently that was
attributable to hidden compression damage in the spar. He indicated
that they are hearing more complaints and concerns about the declining
quality of wood from homebuilders and restorers. I know there is good
wood still out there, as in the beautiful fir I have found locally, just
take the time to inspect it as best we can.
Happy Building!
Mike L.
walter evans wrote:
>
> Mike L.
> I got my spruce from Aircraft Spruce last Aug (98) I told her what I
> wanted ( long fuselage three piece wing) and she sent me an itemized list.
> When I said OK, they sent a great order of spruce. Haven't found a piece yet
> I couldn't use.
> This was spruce only, no ply. In the $1100/$1200 range.
> Walt
> -----Original Message-----
> From: michael list <mclist(at)ptw.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Sunday, July 11, 1999 1:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Spruce Kit
>
> >Chris,
> >While I haven't used Western Aircraft, everybody seems to comment
> >favorably on the wood they have received from them. I would definitely
> >NOT recommend Aircraft Spruce, the last batch of spruce I received from
> >them is very poor quality.
> >Mike L.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Christopher Gregersen wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm doing some research on where to buy wood for my Piet. project and
> have
> >> considered buying it from, Western Aircraft Supplies (Jean Peters) in
> >> Alberta, Canada. It's my understanding that he mills all the wood to
> >> specs. If you have personally, know of someone you has, or heard good,
> bad
> >> or otherwise about buying wood from Western Aircraft Supplies, please let
> >> me know your thoughts or concerns.
> >> Thanks, Chris G.
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CALLAIR(at)cybersol.com (Carpenter, Joel) |
Phil C.
if I could get a copy of this also, I would appreciate it. I will be at
Brodhead on Thursday or Friday AM.
Joel C.
> From: User554784(at)aol.com
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: $15 mags
> Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 10:44 AM
>
> Mike,
>
> I have a copy of the Maintenance/Overhaul Manual for the 4200/6200 series
> Magneto. I believe this is the same as the 4220 military mag. I can
make a
> copy and mail it to you or I can give you a copy at Oshkosh or Broached.
E
> mail or call (920-231-7163) if you are interested.
>
> Phil C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William C. Beerman" <wcb(at)bbt.com> |
| Subject: | 4200 series Maintenance/Overhaul Manual |
Phil C.,
Based on the traffic on this list over the past few weeks, I suspect that
you may be inundated with requests for copies of this document (I am
also interested). To keep you from being driven crazy by these requests,
Is it possible to scan this document in, then post it on Richard's
website to be more publicly available? I don't know if there are copyright
issues or not- just asking.
Thanks,
-Bill Beerman
> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:44:38 -0400 (EDT)
> From: User554784(at)aol.com
> Subject: Re: $15 mags
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> MIME-version: 1.0
> Comments: Originally To: "Pietenpol Discussion"
> X-Listname:
>
> Mike,
>
> I have a copy of the Maintenance/Overhaul Manual for the 4200/6200 series
> Magneto. I believe this is the same as the 4220 military mag. I can make a
> copy and mail it to you or I can give you a copy at Oshkosh or Broached. E
> mail or call (920-231-7163) if you are interested.
>
> Phil C.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Bell <mbell(at)sctcorp.com> |
| Subject: | RE: WaterPump(less) |
I had seen a mention of someone with a Maytag pump on the side.
Is the capacity of these pumps great enough to allow mounting the
radiator in some location other than over the engine? It would
be nice to get the radiator down in the cowling somewhere.
Mike Bell
Columbia, SC
"Sayre, William G" on 07/12/99
12:15:47 PM
Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
cc:
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: WaterPump(less)
Mike,
Some of those guys may be using alternate pumps to avoid the
packing/leaking mess of the original water pumps. There was a
camp-fire debate between Speed-queen and Maytag pumps at Brodhead
some time back. Speed-queen seem to win and that's what I'm
using (but then I'm not airborne yet!).
Bill Sayre
> ----------
> From: Cushway, Mike[SMTP:mike_cushway(at)trekbike.com]
> Reply To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 8:57 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: WaterPump(less)
>
> Several of the Model A powered Piets that I examine in pictures
seem to be
> running without the water pump. Are these guys relying on the
thermo-syphon
> alone to exchange water?
>
> Mike Cushway
> Mfg. Engineering
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Sayre, William G" <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com> |
| Subject: | RE: WaterPump(less) |
Personally, I have only seen them with standard radiator locations but that's what's
great about a list like this.....It's almost like Brodhead year-round (pass
the Bratwurst would ya?).
Bill Sayre
> ----------
> From: Mike Bell[SMTP:mbell(at)sctcorp.com]
> Reply To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 5:53 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: RE: WaterPump(less)
>
>
>
> I had seen a mention of someone with a Maytag pump on the side.
> Is the capacity of these pumps great enough to allow mounting the
> radiator in some location other than over the engine? It would
> be nice to get the radiator down in the cowling somewhere.
>
> Mike Bell
> Columbia, SC
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Sayre, William G" on 07/12/99
> 12:15:47 PM
>
> Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> cc:
> Subject: RE: WaterPump(less)
>
>
> Mike,
> Some of those guys may be using alternate pumps to avoid the
> packing/leaking mess of the original water pumps. There was a
> camp-fire debate between Speed-queen and Maytag pumps at Brodhead
> some time back. Speed-queen seem to win and that's what I'm
> using (but then I'm not airborne yet!).
>
> Bill Sayre
> > ----------
> > From: Cushway, Mike[SMTP:mike_cushway(at)trekbike.com]
> > Reply To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 8:57 AM
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: WaterPump(less)
> >
> > Several of the Model A powered Piets that I examine in pictures
> seem to be
> > running without the water pump. Are these guys relying on the
> thermo-syphon
> > alone to exchange water?
> >
> > Mike Cushway
> > Mfg. Engineering
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | leonstefanhutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan) |
| Subject: | Western AC Spruce |
I bought a spruce kit last Sept. All wood is excellent. Thumbs up to
Jean Peters.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: WaterPump(less) |
Hello
I was around the camp fire at Brodhead talking about the Maytag water
pumps. As soon as I returned I checked out the local Maytag dealer. All the
new Maytag pumps are made of plastic. They had an older one in stock that
had a metal body. I purchased that one. Has anybody else run into the same
thing?
Mike Madrid
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/7827/
>
>
>I had seen a mention of someone with a Maytag pump on the side.
>Is the capacity of these pumps great enough to allow mounting the
>radiator in some location other than over the engine? It would
>be nice to get the radiator down in the cowling somewhere.
>
>Mike Bell
>Columbia, SC
>
>
>"Sayre, William G" on 07/12/99
>12:15:47 PM
>
>Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>cc:
>Subject: RE: WaterPump(less)
>
>
>Mike,
> Some of those guys may be using alternate pumps to avoid the
>packing/leaking mess of the original water pumps. There was a
>camp-fire debate between Speed-queen and Maytag pumps at Brodhead
>some time back. Speed-queen seem to win and that's what I'm
>using (but then I'm not airborne yet!).
>
>Bill Sayre
>> ----------
>> From: Cushway, Mike[SMTP:mike_cushway(at)trekbike.com]
>> Reply To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 8:57 AM
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Subject: WaterPump(less)
>>
>> Several of the Model A powered Piets that I examine in pictures
>seem to be
>> running without the water pump. Are these guys relying on the
>thermo-syphon
>> alone to exchange water?
>>
>> Mike Cushway
>> Mfg. Engineering
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | leonstefanhutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan) |
There is a place that advertises in Military Vehicle Magazine for Slick
4220 magneto's. R. rotation 5 or more $12.95 . ARMY SURPLUS
WAREHOUSE . PO BOX 1523 635 W. Brodway, Idaho Falls Id. 83403-1523
(208) 529 4555
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Sayre, William G" <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com> |
| Subject: | RE: WaterPump(less) |
I used Speed-queen. All metal except for impeller.
Bill Sayre
> ----------
> From: Camera Man[SMTP:seawolf80(at)thegrid.net]
> Reply To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 6:36 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: RE: WaterPump(less)
>
> Hello
> I was around the camp fire at Brodhead talking about the Maytag water
> pumps. As soon as I returned I checked out the local Maytag dealer. All the
> new Maytag pumps are made of plastic. They had an older one in stock that
> had a metal body. I purchased that one. Has anybody else run into the same
> thing?
> Mike Madrid
> http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/7827/
>
>
> >
> >
> >I had seen a mention of someone with a Maytag pump on the side.
> >Is the capacity of these pumps great enough to allow mounting the
> >radiator in some location other than over the engine? It would
> >be nice to get the radiator down in the cowling somewhere.
> >
> >Mike Bell
> >Columbia, SC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Sayre, William G" on 07/12/99
> >12:15:47 PM
> >
> >Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
> >
> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >cc:
> >Subject: RE: WaterPump(less)
> >
> >
> >Mike,
> > Some of those guys may be using alternate pumps to avoid the
> >packing/leaking mess of the original water pumps. There was a
> >camp-fire debate between Speed-queen and Maytag pumps at Brodhead
> >some time back. Speed-queen seem to win and that's what I'm
> >using (but then I'm not airborne yet!).
> >
> >Bill Sayre
> >> ----------
> >> From: Cushway, Mike[SMTP:mike_cushway(at)trekbike.com]
> >> Reply To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 8:57 AM
> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> Subject: WaterPump(less)
> >>
> >> Several of the Model A powered Piets that I examine in pictures
> >seem to be
> >> running without the water pump. Are these guys relying on the
> >thermo-syphon
> >> alone to exchange water?
> >>
> >> Mike Cushway
> >> Mfg. Engineering
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: WaterPump(less) |
The only pumps that I've seen on "Kenmores" in the last decade or so
have been plastic. I assumed everyone was going this way. Mine is not
leaking at the moment.......but then, it's never been at altitude.
Dannymac
Camera Man wrote:
>
> Hello
> I was around the camp fire at Brodhead talking about the Maytag water
> pumps. As soon as I returned I checked out the local Maytag dealer. All the
> new Maytag pumps are made of plastic. They had an older one in stock that
> had a metal body. I purchased that one. Has anybody else run into the same
> thing?
> Mike Madrid
> http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/7827/
>
> >
> >
> >I had seen a mention of someone with a Maytag pump on the side.
> >Is the capacity of these pumps great enough to allow mounting the
> >radiator in some location other than over the engine? It would
> >be nice to get the radiator down in the cowling somewhere.
> >
> >Mike Bell
> >Columbia, SC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Sayre, William G" on 07/12/99
> >12:15:47 PM
> >
> >Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
> >
> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >cc:
> >Subject: RE: WaterPump(less)
> >
> >
> >Mike,
> > Some of those guys may be using alternate pumps to avoid the
> >packing/leaking mess of the original water pumps. There was a
> >camp-fire debate between Speed-queen and Maytag pumps at Brodhead
> >some time back. Speed-queen seem to win and that's what I'm
> >using (but then I'm not airborne yet!).
> >
> >Bill Sayre
> >> ----------
> >> From: Cushway, Mike[SMTP:mike_cushway(at)trekbike.com]
> >> Reply To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 8:57 AM
> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> Subject: WaterPump(less)
> >>
> >> Several of the Model A powered Piets that I examine in pictures
> >seem to be
> >> running without the water pump. Are these guys relying on the
> >thermo-syphon
> >> alone to exchange water?
> >>
> >> Mike Cushway
> >> Mfg. Engineering
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael King <mikek(at)nstar.net> |
I'll try to subscribe again.
Mike
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
| Subject: | Re: WaterPump(less) |
-----Original Message-----
From: Earl Myers
Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 10:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: WaterPump(less)
>I bought a super-duper leakless, stainless water pump for my "A" only to
>find out it won't work due to the radiator location. I have since bought a
>side mount Model "T" water pump that feeds the block, bolts right on. We'll
>see how it works.......
>Earl Myers
Neat idea Earl, didn't know a T pump would bolt onto an A.
John Mc
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: WaterPump(less) |
John;
This T pump is actually an after marker "racing" impellor in a tube thing
that is supposed to bolt to an "A". It is still in the box. At Broadhead,
one of the two Scouts there has a stock T bolted on. That is where the idea
came from. Any number of them have washing machine pumps too, mostly
Speedqueen I've seen..........
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: John McNarry <jmcnarry(at)techplus.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 12:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: WaterPump(less)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Earl Myers
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 10:18 PM
>Subject: Re: WaterPump(less)
>
>
>>I bought a super-duper leakless, stainless water pump for my "A" only to
>>find out it won't work due to the radiator location. I have since bought a
>>side mount Model "T" water pump that feeds the block, bolts right on.
We'll
>>see how it works.......
>>Earl Myers
>Neat idea Earl, didn't know a T pump would bolt onto an A.
>
>John Mc
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Greenlee <jgreenlee(at)morgan.net> |
Good afternoon,
Stupid question........ On old airplanes with the huge registration
marks on top of right wing and bottom of left wing. Do the ones on the
bottom go with the top of the characters aligned to the leading edge or
trailing edge? In other words which direction do they face?
JMG
Good afternoon,
Stupid question........ On old
airplanes
with the huge registration marks on top of right wing and bottom of left
wing. Do the ones on the bottom go with the top of the characters
aligned
to the leading edge or trailing edge? In other words which
direction do
they face?
JMG
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: stupid question |
Hardly a "stupid question". Tops go toward the LE. Our C-180 still has
those marks on the bottom of the wing for Canadian registration.
Ken
On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, John Greenlee wrote:
> Good afternoon,
>
> Stupid question........ On old airplanes with the huge registration
> marks on top of right wing and bottom of left wing. Do the ones on the
> bottom go with the top of the characters aligned to the leading edge or
> trailing edge? In other words which direction do they face?
>
> JMG
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Spruce Kit |
{SNIP}
test the capstrip, but not so
>easily a spar before use. My point is to test whatever you get before
>building with it, especially after hearing a talk from an FAA accident
>investigator about a spruce spar failure on a Cassutt recently that was
>attributable to hidden compression damage in the spar.
{SNIP}
With the concern about wood quality, especially for spars, is there an
argument for laminating 3/4" x 3/4" into a spar? There would be less chance
of a hidden flaw, with the ability to test small pieces. The price is about
$20 more for the laminated version, plus the cost and weight of the epoxy.
Al Swanson
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: stupid question |
SAME AS THE TOP, read with top of letters at LE of wing..........
Earl Myers
.........been more than one guy accidently painted the numbers upside
down.....
-----Original Message-----
From: John Greenlee <jgreenlee(at)morgan.net>
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 5:56 PM
Subject: stupid question
Good afternoon,
Stupid question........ On old airplanes with the huge registration
marks on top of right wing and bottom of left wing. Do the ones on the
bottom go with the top of the characters aligned to the leading edge or
trailing edge? In other words which direction do they face?
JMG
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Spruce Kit |
The laminated spars are good for more strength, less bending and would
expose those hidden problems.
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Swanson
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 10:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fw: Spruce Kit
>{SNIP}
>
>test the capstrip, but not so
>>easily a spar before use. My point is to test whatever you get before
>>building with it, especially after hearing a talk from an FAA accident
>>investigator about a spruce spar failure on a Cassutt recently that was
>>attributable to hidden compression damage in the spar.
>{SNIP}
>
>
>With the concern about wood quality, especially for spars, is there an
>argument for laminating 3/4" x 3/4" into a spar? There would be less
chance
>of a hidden flaw, with the ability to test small pieces. The price is
about
>$20 more for the laminated version, plus the cost and weight of the epoxy.
>
>Al Swanson
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Mike from Wisconsin, I got some info for you ref the 'bug. I left your
e-mail stuff at work.
Earl Myers
Mike from Wisconsin, I got some info
for you ref
the 'bug. I left your e-mail stuff at work.
Earl
Myers
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)startribune.com> |
| Subject: | Re: stupid question |
According to the old Air Commerce Regulations the top of the letters go
forward. Dimensions are as follows:
Height 30"
Width 20"
Stroke width 5"
Distance between characters 10"
Greg Cardinal
>>> John Greenlee 07/13 4:18 AM >>>
Good afternoon,
Stupid question........ On old airplanes with the huge registration marks
on top of right wing and bottom of left wing. Do the ones on the bottom
go with the top of the characters aligned to the leading edge or trailing
edge? In other words which direction do they face?
JMG
________________________________________________________________________________
I was recieving double messages for a while. I "unsubscribed" and was
still getting one set of messages. I unsubscribed again, but got a
response that I'm not a current subscriber. I'm still getting messages.
It's a great mailing list, but it's too much traffic for this computor
location (i.e., my office). Please see if you can get me unsubscribed
completely. Thanks.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Leo Ponton <leo(at)deadly.demon.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Light Airplane Design - L Pazmany |
Do any of you fine people have a copy of this book that you could convert
into an electronic format for me?
I am informed that it is out of print and no longer available.
Acrobat format would be ideal, but jpeg would be fine too.
Regards
Leo Ponton
Nottinghamshire
England
leo(at)deadly.demon.co.uk
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Light Airplane Design - L Pazmany |
Sorry, Can't help with that one, but speaking of books, there are a couple
of other great design books:
Darrol Stinton's "The Design of the Aeroplane"
Thurston's ( I think) "Design for Flight" and "Design for Safety"
Stinton's book is absolutely great. It covers all sorts of neat "rule of
thumb" practical ideas. Things like using a cardboard cutout to get an
approximate horizontal tail area and moment.
The other two books are writen by Thurston, I think. He's the guy that
designed the Teal amphib and later the Lake amphibs. He knows his stuff.
You can probably get any of these books, including the one you're looking
for from the EAA.
Ken
On Wed, 14 Jul 1999, Leo Ponton wrote:
> Do any of you fine people have a copy of this book that you could convert
> into an electronic format for me?
>
> I am informed that it is out of print and no longer available.
>
> Acrobat format would be ideal, but jpeg would be fine too.
>
> Regards
>
> Leo Ponton
> Nottinghamshire
> England
>
> leo(at)deadly.demon.co.uk
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Eiseman Magnetos |
Does anyone know of a source to get an Eiseman Magneto overhauled?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Eiseman Magnetos |
>Does anyone know of a source to get an Eiseman Magneto overhauled?
Phil- I get all my Eismann parts from Fresno Air parts in Trade-A-Plane.
They aren't too complicated once you look over somebody else's shoulder
to watch how it's done. Fortunately we have a local guy here who did mine
but it took 8 months before he was able to even look at them.
You'd probably want to ask around locally even might check the local
antique tractor clubs in your area because many of them use the same mag.
I'm sure there are some guys who could steer you in the right direcection
there-
especially if you handed him the old mags w/ a bunch of new ready to go
parts...like points, condenser, cap, rotor, coil, gaskets, seals, etc.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Cunningham <mikec(at)microlandusa.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Light Airplane Design - L Pazmany |
Leo, I have a copy of this book. I don't personally have access to a scanner
but I have one friend who
might do it. If all else fails I could copy it, as I recall its about 40
pages.
-----Original Message-----
From: Leo Ponton <leo(at)deadly.demon.co.uk>
Date: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 10:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Light Airplane Design - L Pazmany
>Do any of you fine people have a copy of this book that you could convert
>into an electronic format for me?
>
>I am informed that it is out of print and no longer available.
>
>Acrobat format would be ideal, but jpeg would be fine too.
>
>Regards
>
>Leo Ponton
>Nottinghamshire
>England
>
>leo(at)deadly.demon.co.uk
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Henderson's Piet |
Does anyone out there have a good photo of
Howard Henderson's Pietenpol in a .jpg, etc. format they
could send me. I'll try Grant's web page for now though.
Please send to:
Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov
Thanks !
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Bell <mbell(at)sctcorp.com> |
| Subject: | Re: WaterPump(less) |
Where does it bolt on? What drives it? Is this possibly an
alternate location to attach a magneto?
Mike Bell
Columbia, SC
Earl Myers on 07/13/99 02:19:56 PM
Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
cc:
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: WaterPump(less)
John;
This T pump is actually an after marker "racing" impellor in a
tube thing
that is supposed to bolt to an "A". It is still in the box. At
Broadhead,
one of the two Scouts there has a stock T bolted on. That is
where the idea
came from. Any number of them have washing machine pumps too,
mostly
Speedqueen I've seen..........
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: John McNarry <jmcnarry(at)techplus.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 12:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: WaterPump(less)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Earl Myers
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 10:18 PM
>Subject: Re: WaterPump(less)
>
>
>>I bought a super-duper leakless, stainless water pump for my
"A" only to
>>find out it won't work due to the radiator location. I have
since bought a
>>side mount Model "T" water pump that feeds the block, bolts
right on.
We'll
>>see how it works.......
>>Earl Myers
>Neat idea Earl, didn't know a T pump would bolt onto an A.
>
>John Mc
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
PS- I found a suitable pic of Henderson's Piet.
Scratch the last request.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Broadhead/OSH journey web page |
I'll try and clean it up, but for now checkout http:\\steve.byu.edu\piet.htm
for our trip info back east.
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: engine mount |
With the fuselage extension and the 12" engine forward change, the only
problem we've encountered is the main wheels should be moved forward to
have a little more weight on the tailwheel. We test flew the piet. with
lead weight under the engine before all the work of new motor mount etc.
It actually flew better but this was anly around the patch. Now we are
taxi testing and getting it light and everything feels very good. We want
to have a few more hours of engine time after this {complete} rebuild
before we fly. We made some modifications to the wingstrut bolts and are
just finishing that. The cowling will be finished by Osh. and we will
trailer it in, re-assemble it when we return , annual it, THEN TEST FlY.
All this was done in-spite of purists saying don't change the plans. I
can't believe anyone who recommends we fly BEHIND the aft C.G. and calls it
safe. Certainly a very qualified test pilot will test all flight regimes .
LIVES THERE A PIET EXACTLY AS THE FIRST PIET.??? Scott
> From: Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: engine mount
> Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 1:13 PM
>
> Well.......don't just leave us hanging out here.....tell us what
changes
> you made and what the logic was....{;~)
> Warren
>
> Creative Ice wrote:
>
> > We have a piet with the extended fuselage and model A engine. I am 245
> > lbs. and was way behind the C.G.. The calculations said move the
engine
> > 12" forward. We did the un-thinkable and changed the plans. We will
be at
> > oshkosh with it and we feel this was the safest way to handle the aft
C.G.
> > problem
> >
> > ----------
> > From: walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net>
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: Fw: engine mount
> > Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 9:30 PM
> >
> > Mike B.
> > Thanks for simplifying the question. I'm building the long fuselage
from
> > the prints from Pietenpol family, with a Continental 65.
> > I didn't know that there were so many variations. Just my fat butt.
My AP
> > mentor says to add about an inch , and make the rest up with the wing.
> > Walt Evans
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Brusilow <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net>
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 8:09 PM
> > Subject: engine mount
> >
> > Walt asked the group what length engine mount to use with a 65 cont,
> > Various answers were offered.
> > The question to ask is- where is the cg of their aircraft & what
> > modificatons were effected to obtain that cg.
> >
> > Mike B - Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mike cushway <mcushway(at)gdinet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Eiseman Magnetos |
MAGNEEDERS has been rebuilding tractor mags for years and I have read
several
excellent reports on their work. email: magneedr(at)ipa.net
Phil Phillips wrote:
> Does anyone know of a source to get an Eiseman Magneto overhauled?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | fishin <fishin(at)wwa.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Eiseman Magnetos |
here's two in the chicago area ; Speed service inc, 3049 W Irving Pk,
Chicago,Ill 1-773-478-1616======== Standard Magneto Sales, 4119 W Grand
Ave, Chicago, Ill 1-773-235-2010
hope this helps
regards
JoeC
Zion, Illinois
Phil Phillips wrote:
> Does anyone know of a source to get an Eiseman Magneto overhauled?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
| Subject: | Re: Out of subject "Help in welding" |
>Dear Friends,
>
>Is anyone with experience of welding (industrial) on the list.
>
>I need to look for a special welding machine in internet but my english is
>not very good. Need the advice...
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Gary Gower
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
test
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: Eiseman Magnetos |
Phil,
My friend Dick Lawson has been rebuilding them for years. Licenced AP
and affordable. Give him a call..... 973-383-7821. He rebuilt/supplied two
Eiseman mags for the Cont. 65 that I will use on my Aircamper. Also flew
behind one of his, on a 1/2 VW he built ,for years.
mention my name to him,
Walt Evans
( he's in northern NJ)
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Phillips
Date: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 1:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Eiseman Magnetos
>Does anyone know of a source to get an Eiseman Magneto overhauled?
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Vernon Hoppes <nc8607k(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Eiseman Magnetos |
>From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov>
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Re: Eiseman Magnetos
>Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:27:19 -0400
>
> >Does anyone know of a source to get an Eiseman Magneto overhauled?
>
>Phil- I get all my Eismann parts from Fresno Air parts in Trade-A-Plane.
>They aren't too complicated once you look over somebody else's shoulder
>to watch how it's done. Fortunately we have a local guy here who did mine
>but it took 8 months before he was able to even look at them.
>You'd probably want to ask around locally even might check the local
>antique tractor clubs in your area because many of them use the same mag.
>I'm sure there are some guys who could steer you in the right direcection
>there-
>especially if you handed him the old mags w/ a bunch of new ready to go
>parts...like points, condenser, cap, rotor, coil, gaskets, seals, etc.
>Mike C.
>
You can check in trade-a-plane for anyone that works on Franklin
engines as thay used them, this was the engine that was used in
Stinson aircraft.
Vern
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | User554784(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
To every one interested in a copy of the overhaul/maintenance manual for the
slick 4200/6200 series magneto, I am more than happy to make copies for
whatever it costs. I can deliver copies to those who make it to Oshkosh or
broadhead and can mail the rest. Just send an e-mail through this discussion
group and I'll keep track. As far as scanning the manual to be posted
@aircamper.org I will not have the time 'til after the EAA convention.
Look forward to meeting y'all.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | User554784(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Light Airplane Design - L Pazmany |
I checked with the EAA bookstore and they have this book and "Light Airplane
Construction" in stock for about $30 each.
Hope this helps
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: WaterPump(less) |
Mike:
I have seen one belt driven magneto in this side position....it was the cog
type belt and the magneto did NOT have the impulse coupling. The magneto
faced backward or wires forward.
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Bell <mbell(at)sctcorp.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 3:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: WaterPump(less)
>
>
>Where does it bolt on? What drives it? Is this possibly an
>alternate location to attach a magneto?
>
>Mike Bell
>Columbia, SC
>
>
>Earl Myers on 07/13/99 02:19:56 PM
>
>Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>cc:
>Subject: Re: WaterPump(less)
>
>
>John;
> This T pump is actually an after marker "racing" impellor in a
>tube thing
>that is supposed to bolt to an "A". It is still in the box. At
>Broadhead,
>one of the two Scouts there has a stock T bolted on. That is
>where the idea
>came from. Any number of them have washing machine pumps too,
>mostly
>Speedqueen I've seen..........
>Earl Myers
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John McNarry <jmcnarry(at)techplus.com>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 12:12 PM
>Subject: Re: WaterPump(less)
>
>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Earl Myers
>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 10:18 PM
>>Subject: Re: WaterPump(less)
>>
>>
>>>I bought a super-duper leakless, stainless water pump for my
>"A" only to
>>>find out it won't work due to the radiator location. I have
>since bought a
>>>side mount Model "T" water pump that feeds the block, bolts
>right on.
>We'll
>>>see how it works.......
>>>Earl Myers
>>Neat idea Earl, didn't know a T pump would bolt onto an A.
>>
>>John Mc
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: WaterPump(less) |
Mike;
The "tubular T water pump is about 15" long, a tube about an 1.5" in dia.
One end has a spot on the shaft for a pully and the other end has a smooth
90 degree bend to it, offset about two inches. This end bolts to the water
inlet at the side of the block. It pushes the wet stuff into the block at
this point. The shaft end will (is) be supported by a bracket of the back
end of the engine. In my case, I am going to try to have the engine back
cover "stick out" to hold the shaft end with the shaft end protruding thru
for the pully. I have all my engine parts in a pile waiting to be installed
on the engine, all ready to go back together. Oh, this pully on the pump
shaft aligns with the one on the crank that would normally drive the regular
pump.
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Bell <mbell(at)sctcorp.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 3:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: WaterPump(less)
>
>
>Where does it bolt on? What drives it? Is this possibly an
>alternate location to attach a magneto?
>
>Mike Bell
>Columbia, SC
>
>
>Earl Myers on 07/13/99 02:19:56 PM
>
>Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>cc:
>Subject: Re: WaterPump(less)
>
>
>John;
> This T pump is actually an after marker "racing" impellor in a
>tube thing
>that is supposed to bolt to an "A". It is still in the box. At
>Broadhead,
>one of the two Scouts there has a stock T bolted on. That is
>where the idea
>came from. Any number of them have washing machine pumps too,
>mostly
>Speedqueen I've seen..........
>Earl Myers
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John McNarry <jmcnarry(at)techplus.com>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 12:12 PM
>Subject: Re: WaterPump(less)
>
>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Earl Myers
>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 10:18 PM
>>Subject: Re: WaterPump(less)
>>
>>
>>>I bought a super-duper leakless, stainless water pump for my
>"A" only to
>>>find out it won't work due to the radiator location. I have
>since bought a
>>>side mount Model "T" water pump that feeds the block, bolts
>right on.
>We'll
>>>see how it works.......
>>>Earl Myers
>>Neat idea Earl, didn't know a T pump would bolt onto an A.
>>
>>John Mc
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Light Airplane Design - L Pazmany |
Mike,
If a book such as that is out of print, does that mean it is NOT
protected by law? If not, send me a copy if you have your friend make
them and I will pay you gladly for your trouble. A binding surely isn't
neccessary. E-mail me with a price and I'll send you my address.
Dannymac
Mike Cunningham wrote:
>
> Leo, I have a copy of this book. I don't personally have access to a scanner
> but I have one friend who
> might do it. If all else fails I could copy it, as I recall its about 40
> pages.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leo Ponton <leo(at)deadly.demon.co.uk>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 10:53 AM
> Subject: Light Airplane Design - L Pazmany
>
> >Do any of you fine people have a copy of this book that you could convert
> >into an electronic format for me?
> >
> >I am informed that it is out of print and no longer available.
> >
> >Acrobat format would be ideal, but jpeg would be fine too.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Leo Ponton
> >Nottinghamshire
> >England
> >
> >leo(at)deadly.demon.co.uk
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Light Airplane Design - L Pazmany |
EAA book purchasers,
I ordered "The Sportplane Builder" and the '32 '33 F&G Manuals from
the EAA on May 22. Monday, they showed no order had been placed and
later discovered the order and said it went out on July 8th. Still no
sign. I expect they may post it to a courier by sometime next week.
Dannymac
User554784(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> I checked with the EAA bookstore and they have this book and "Light Airplane
> Construction" in stock for about $30 each.
>
> Hope this helps
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Out of subject "Help in welding" |
Gary, I have some experience as a welder. What type of machine, or service
are you looking for? I will be gone for four days, but I might be able to
either help or find someone with the answers.
Phil Phillips
pphillips(at)kalama.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dean dayton <dayton(at)netwalk.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
I'd love to have a copy. I have a 4230 mag on my Horizon 2 that I've been a
little worried about. Unfortuantely, I won't make it to Oshkosh this year. Could
you mail it to me?
Thanks
Dean Dayton
5936 Sachem Court
Dublin, OH 43017
P.S. I'd be more than happy to reimburse your copying and mailing cost.
User554784(at)aol.com wrote:
> To every one interested in a copy of the overhaul/maintenance manual for the
> slick 4200/6200 series magneto, I am more than happy to make copies for
> whatever it costs. I can deliver copies to those who make it to Oshkosh or
> broadhead and can mail the rest. Just send an e-mail through this discussion
> group and I'll keep track. As far as scanning the manual to be posted
> @aircamper.org I will not have the time 'til after the EAA convention.
>
> Look forward to meeting y'all.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Two More Fords !!! |
I just rec'd word that Mike Troy and his father-in-law will
be joining us enroute to Oshkosh each in thier own Ford
Pietenpols !!! If all goes well you won't want to miss this
now TWENTY ship gathering.....with most headed to
Brodhead for the usual Piet Fly-In there. Whew !!
Michael Cuy
I just rec'd word that Mike Troy and his father-in-law will
be joining us enroute to Oshkosh each in thier own Ford
Pietenpols !!! If all goes well you won't want to miss
this
now TWENTY ship gathering.....with most headed to
Brodhead for the usual Piet Fly-In there. Whew !!
Michael Cuy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
| Subject: | Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
>To every one interested in a copy of the overhaul/maintenance manual for=
the
>slick 4200/6200 series magneto, I am more than happy to make copies for
>whatever it costs. I can deliver copies to those who make it to Oshkosh or=
>broadhead and can mail the rest. Just send an e-mail through this=
discussion
>group and I'll keep track. As far as scanning the manual to be posted
>@aircamper.org I will not have the time 'til after the EAA convention.
>
>Look forward to meeting y'all.
>
>
Thanks in advance, I am interested, let me know the cost (and shipping to
M=E9xico) and I will send you a bank check.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Apartado # 5-96 Chapalita
Guadalajara, Jalisco
45040 MEXICO
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DonanClara(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
I have bought two of the 4200 Slick mags and would very much like to have a
copy of the manual. Please advise copying and mailing costs and I'll gladly
reimburse you. My name and address is:
Don Hicks
RR 1, Box 416-A
Hartford, Alabama, 36344
Many thanks for your very generous offer !!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Light Airplane Design - L Pazmany |
The copyright laws were recently revised, but I believe they were made more
restrictive (longer protection than the old twenty years). Even though the
publication, picture, design, etc., is no longer produced, the designer is
still considered the owner, and is protected. I do know that the original
author now has the option of renewing copyright for an additional period of
time, but I'm not sure how long. 17 years sticks in my mind.
Ed
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
| Subject: | Re: Light Airplane Design - L Pazmany |
I will advice, if you already ordered the '32 and '33 F&G Manuals, get the
complete set, it's worth having all of them, great reading material.
Just my thought
Saludos
Gary Gower
>EAA book purchasers,
>
> I ordered "The Sportplane Builder" and the '32 '33 F&G Manuals from
>the EAA on May 22. Monday, they showed no order had been placed and
>later discovered the order and said it went out on July 8th. Still no
>sign. I expect they may post it to a courier by sometime next week.
>
>Dannymac
>
>User554784(at)aol.com wrote:
>>
>> I checked with the EAA bookstore and they have this book and "Light Airplane
>> Construction" in stock for about $30 each.
>>
>> Hope this helps
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Bell <mbell(at)sctcorp.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Light Airplane Design - L Pazmany |
It's really simple, if the book is in print, buy it from a legal
source source new or find a used, not copied, original. This IS
available from the EAA as well as other legitimate sources,
amazon.com, barnes&noble.com and so on.
Mike Bell
"Hardheaded about some things"
Columbia, SC
Ed0248(at)aol.com on 07/15/99 10:18:14 AM
Please respond to Pietenpol Discussion
cc:
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Light Airplane Design - L Pazmany
The copyright laws were recently revised, but I believe they were
made more
restrictive (longer protection than the old twenty years). Even
though the
publication, picture, design, etc., is no longer produced, the
designer is
still considered the owner, and is protected. I do know that the
original
author now has the option of renewing copyright for an additional
period of
time, but I'm not sure how long. 17 years sticks in my mind.
Ed
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Cunningham <mikec(at)microlandusa.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Light Airplane Design - L Pazmany |
I was pretty sure I had seen "Light Aircraft Design" available in one of the
catalogs. Took a look last night
and found it in the Wicks book. Called Wicks this morning and they do have
stock on it so I will refer you guys to them. Phone number 800-221-9425.
item # LAD-2, Cat price is $22.
Dannymac.. I think copyright law applys if the book is in print or not. Gave
that a passing thought and figured
Mr. Pazmany wouldn't mind as long as the book was not otherwise available
and no profit was involved.
possible.
-----Original Message-----
From: User554784(at)aol.com
Date: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 11:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Light Airplane Design - L Pazmany
>I checked with the EAA bookstore and they have this book and "Light
Airplane
>Construction" in stock for about $30 each.
>
>Hope this helps
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
Me Too!
Warren D. Shoun
17128 Colima Road, #542
Hacienda Heights, CA. 91745-6769
DonanClara(at)aol.com wrote:
> I have bought two of the 4200 Slick mags and would very much like to have a
> copy of the manual. Please advise copying and mailing costs and I'll gladly
> reimburse you. My name and address is:
>
> Don Hicks
> RR 1, Box 416-A
> Hartford, Alabama, 36344
>
> Many thanks for your very generous offer !!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Randall Reihing <rreihing(at)eng.utoledo.edu> |
Hi Everyone
Does anyone have a Delco 20 amp generator they would like to sell or find
a new home for? Please reply to this e-mail or call 419-530-8244 (daytime)
or 419-875-67785 (home). Voice mail exists on both phones.
My Delco 20 amp, generator, on our T-Craft's C-85, has failed. The main
shaft was cut completely through by the steel oil seal that is pressed into
the generator housing just behind the drive gear and rubber shock(?)
absorber device. Apparently the steel oil seal, (harder than the shaft)
moved into a cocked position and began to wear against the steel generator
main shaft. Eventually it wore all the way through. The generator shaft did
not break, it was cut. The generator drive gear, still attached to the end
of the generator shaft, fell into the gear train on the accessory case and
wiped out the teeth on the gear that the generator drive gear meshes with.
The only indication of generator problems was an amp meter that showed a
constant zero reading. No deflection, either negative or positive. At
first, we thought the problem was in the original Delco voltage regulator.
However, once the generator was removed it become instantly clear what the
real problem was.
There were no in-flight indications from the engine, no rpm fluctuations,
no loss of power. It appeared to have been a very gradual wearing away. The
last oil change revealed no metal in the oil screen, the STC installed oil
filter, or visible particles in the oil itself.
Hope to hear from someone.................Randall Reihing
Randall Reihing
University of Toledo
College of Engineering
MIME Department
419-530-8244
FAX: 419-530-8206
E-Mail: rreihing(at)eng.utoledo.edu
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael King <mikek(at)nstar.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
I bought six of the 4200 Slick mags and too would like to have a
copy of the manual. I will pay for whatever costs are incurred.
Thanks.
Mike King
18625 Midway Road
#1203
Dallas, Texas 75287
>I have bought two of the 4200 Slick mags and would very much like to have a
>copy of the manual. Please advise copying and mailing costs and I'll gladly
>reimburse you. My name and address is:
>
>Don Hicks
>RR 1, Box 416-A
>Hartford, Alabama, 36344
>
>Many thanks for your very generous offer !!!
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
Please charge one to:
Earl Myers
12310 Ravenna N.E.
Louisville, Ohio 44641
-----Original Message-----
From: Warren Shoun <wbnb(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Thursday, July 15, 1999 10:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual
>Me Too!
> Warren D. Shoun
> 17128 Colima Road, #542
> Hacienda Heights, CA. 91745-6769
>
>DonanClara(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>> I have bought two of the 4200 Slick mags and would very much like to have
a
>> copy of the manual. Please advise copying and mailing costs and I'll
gladly
>> reimburse you. My name and address is:
>>
>> Don Hicks
>> RR 1, Box 416-A
>> Hartford, Alabama, 36344
>>
>> Many thanks for your very generous offer !!!
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Patcoolnet(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
I would like a copy of the manual. Please state how much the copies and
mailing will cost and an address to forward to. Thanks for making it
available, but you shouldn't have to stand the out of pocket costs--it is
more than enough for you to see that the copies are made and then sent out.
Thanks,
Frank Cooley
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Patcoolnet(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
After I pushed the send button I realized I should have included my address.
Here it is and sorry for the inconvenience.
Frank Cooley
9618 N.E. 86th St
Vancouver WA 98662
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
Count me in as well.
Ken Beanlands
7815 Hunterquay RD. NW
Calgary, AB
T2K 4V1
Thanks,
Ken
On Thu, 15 Jul 1999, Michael King wrote:
> I bought six of the 4200 Slick mags and too would like to have a
> copy of the manual. I will pay for whatever costs are incurred.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mike King
> 18625 Midway Road
> #1203
> Dallas, Texas 75287
>
>
>
>
>
> >I have bought two of the 4200 Slick mags and would very much like to have a
> >copy of the manual. Please advise copying and mailing costs and I'll gladly
> >reimburse you. My name and address is:
> >
> >Don Hicks
> >RR 1, Box 416-A
> >Hartford, Alabama, 36344
> >
> >Many thanks for your very generous offer !!!
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | fishin <fishin(at)wwa.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
I too would like a copy for what ever costs you determine...I'll be at Oshkosh
wed the 28th and brodhead sat the 31st.....hope to bump into you to pick it up...
regards
Joe Czaplicki
Zion, Illinois
Gary Gower wrote:
> >To every one interested in a copy of the overhaul/maintenance manual for the
> >slick 4200/6200 series magneto, I am more than happy to make copies for
> >whatever it costs. I can deliver copies to those who make it to Oshkosh or
> >broadhead and can mail the rest. Just send an e-mail through this discussion
> >group and I'll keep track. As far as scanning the manual to be posted
> >@aircamper.org I will not have the time 'til after the EAA convention.
> >
> >Look forward to meeting y'all.
> >
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Craig L.Hanson" <chanson(at)polarcomm.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
Would love to have a manual. I will be at Oshkosh and Broadhead. I'll see
you there.
Craig L. Hanson
chanson@polar. polarcomm.com
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 11:07 PM
| Subject: | Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
> To every one interested in a copy of the overhaul/maintenance manual for
the
> slick 4200/6200 series magneto, I am more than happy to make copies for
> whatever it costs. I can deliver copies to those who make it to Oshkosh or
> broadhead and can mail the rest. Just send an e-mail through this
discussion
> group and I'll keep track. As far as scanning the manual to be posted
> @aircamper.org I will not have the time 'til after the EAA convention.
>
> Look forward to meeting y'all.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
I asked this question before and didn't get a reply. I bought 4 of the
mags and when I checked them, they will not fit into the accessory case
for a continental engine. They are to large a dia. Is this also true for
the model A , if so what do you all advise, and also about the gear
shaft. It appears to short to mount a gear for a continental gear....
Thanks Dave.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | FordPiet(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
Me too! Just let me know how much to send to you. No rush -- haven't
started building yet.
Hap Tucker
2110 Venus Drive
Bossier City, LA 71112
Thanks for sharing and ecouraging us.
Hap
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jerome Bush <jjbush(at)egl.net> |
| Subject: | army surplus mags |
In reply to David Atnip regarding the army surplus mags. They WILL NOT fit
a Continental engine in any way. They MAY be adaptable to some Lycomings
but not without some machining of the Lycoming accessory case. Also the 15
degree lag angle is a problem. This early firing of the spark during
cranking could easily result in severe kick back. Broken starter, injury or
? Be very careful if you want to adapt these mags to a Lycoming.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
Hi Phil!
I'd be glad to meet you at B'head to pick up a copy of the Slick manual --
do we meet under Mike Cuy's Piet (or Steve E's? or???) or any other
appropriate landmark! I'll be wearing my green Piet hat (thanks Steve!)
for I.D. -- only Mike Cuy might to identify me by sight!
Mike Conkling
Pretty Prairie, KS
> From: User554784(at)aol.com
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual
> Date: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 11:07 PM
>
> To every one interested in a copy of the overhaul/maintenance manual for
the
> slick 4200/6200 series magneto, I am more than happy to make copies for
> whatever it costs. I can deliver copies to those who make it to Oshkosh
or
> broadhead and can mail the rest. Just send an e-mail through this
discussion
> group and I'll keep track. As far as scanning the manual to be posted
> @aircamper.org I will not have the time 'til after the EAA convention.
>
> Look forward to meeting y'all.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: army surplus mags |
Thanks Jerome, The group has been talking so much about theses mags, I was just
wondering if I wasn't seeing something..
Jerome Bush wrote:
> In reply to David Atnip regarding the army surplus mags. They WILL NOT fit
> a Continental engine in any way. They MAY be adaptable to some Lycomings
> but not without some machining of the Lycoming accessory case. Also the 15
> degree lag angle is a problem. This early firing of the spark during
> cranking could easily result in severe kick back. Broken starter, injury or
> ? Be very careful if you want to adapt these mags to a Lycoming.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Anderson <kcande19(at)idt.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
I too would like a copy. Be glad to reimburse you for any costs.
I will be at Broadhead Fri. and Sat. Oshkosh Sun. and Mon.
Ken Anderson
kcande19@ mail.idt.net
User554784(at)aol.com wrote:
> To every one interested in a copy of the overhaul/maintenance manual for the
> slick 4200/6200 series magneto,
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | oil can <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: army surplus mags |
If the mags won't fit contential, and must be modifyed to fit the
lycoming...what were they designed to fit ?
It is my impression that the only military magnetos that the army used were
for ground power units. As I recall, these were lycoming engines of 180 hp
????
By my a/c spruce catalog, the 4200 series are for the VW engine??
ocb
>From: David Atnip <davida@mo-net.com>
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Re: army surplus mags
>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:04:36 -0500
>
>Thanks Jerome, The group has been talking so much about theses mags, I was
>just
>wondering if I wasn't seeing something..
>
>Jerome Bush wrote:
>
> > In reply to David Atnip regarding the army surplus mags. They WILL NOT
>fit
> > a Continental engine in any way. They MAY be adaptable to some Lycomings
> > but not without some machining of the Lycoming accessory case. Also the
>15
> > degree lag angle is a problem. This early firing of the spark during
> > cranking could easily result in severe kick back. Broken starter, injury
>or
> > ? Be very careful if you want to adapt these mags to a Lycoming.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | oil can <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
I need one too !
Robert Bolske
2612 N. Sargent RD
Spokane, WA 99212
Please post to the list the charge for this manual. thanks
>From: dean dayton <dayton(at)netwalk.com>
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual
>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 08:05:33 -0500
>
>I'd love to have a copy. I have a 4230 mag on my Horizon 2 that I've been a
>little worried about. Unfortuantely, I won't make it to Oshkosh this year.
>Could
>you mail it to me?
>
>Thanks
>
>Dean Dayton
>5936 Sachem Court
>Dublin, OH 43017
>
>P.S. I'd be more than happy to reimburse your copying and mailing cost.
>
>User554784(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> > To every one interested in a copy of the overhaul/maintenance manual for
>the
> > slick 4200/6200 series magneto, I am more than happy to make copies for
> > whatever it costs. I can deliver copies to those who make it to Oshkosh
>or
> > broadhead and can mail the rest. Just send an e-mail through this
>discussion
> > group and I'll keep track. As far as scanning the manual to be posted
> > @aircamper.org I will not have the time 'til after the EAA convention.
> >
> > Look forward to meeting y'all.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Cunningham <mikec(at)microlandusa.com> |
| Subject: | Re: army surplus mags |
I think most GPU's were Lycoming O-290 (G), 125/135 horse. If those mags
are for Lycomings I would love to pick up a couple.
-----Original Message-----
From: oil can <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 1:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: army surplus mags
>If the mags won't fit contential, and must be modifyed to fit the
>lycoming...what were they designed to fit ?
>
>It is my impression that the only military magnetos that the army used were
>for ground power units. As I recall, these were lycoming engines of 180 hp
>????
>
>By my a/c spruce catalog, the 4200 series are for the VW engine??
>
>ocb
>
>
>>From: David Atnip <davida@mo-net.com>
>>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>Subject: Re: army surplus mags
>>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:04:36 -0500
>>
>>Thanks Jerome, The group has been talking so much about theses mags, I was
>>just
>>wondering if I wasn't seeing something..
>>
>>Jerome Bush wrote:
>>
>> > In reply to David Atnip regarding the army surplus mags. They WILL NOT
>>fit
>> > a Continental engine in any way. They MAY be adaptable to some
Lycomings
>> > but not without some machining of the Lycoming accessory case. Also the
>>15
>> > degree lag angle is a problem. This early firing of the spark during
>> > cranking could easily result in severe kick back. Broken starter,
injury
>>or
>> > ? Be very careful if you want to adapt these mags to a Lycoming.
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | baileys(at)ktis.net (Robert M. Bailey) |
| Subject: | Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
Organization:
I bought two of the 4200 Slick mags and also would like to have a
copy of the manual. I plan to be at Brodhead.
Thanks in advance.
Bob Bailey
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Greenlee <jgreenlee(at)morgan.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
I would like to get a manual from you at Brodhead
John Greenlee
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert M. Bailey
Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 10:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual
>
>
> I bought two of the 4200 Slick mags and also would like to have a
> copy of the manual. I plan to be at Brodhead.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>Bob Bailey
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Greenlee <jgreenlee(at)morgan.net> |
| Subject: | Re: army surplus mags |
The man I spoke with at the Army Surplus place indicated he had bought a
bunch of semi loads of stuff from military base closures. He said he had
some of the motors - brand new about 210 hp. He said they sold out real
fast at $895 or $995. I'm always in the wrong place at the wrong time. I
forget whether they were Lycoming or Continental.
JMG
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Cunningham <mikec(at)microlandusa.com>
Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 9:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: army surplus mags
>I think most GPU's were Lycoming O-290 (G), 125/135 horse. If those mags
>are for Lycomings I would love to pick up a couple.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: oil can <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 1:01 AM
>Subject: Re: army surplus mags
>
>
>>If the mags won't fit contential, and must be modifyed to fit the
>>lycoming...what were they designed to fit ?
>>
>>It is my impression that the only military magnetos that the army used
were
>>for ground power units. As I recall, these were lycoming engines of 180 hp
>>????
>>
>>By my a/c spruce catalog, the 4200 series are for the VW engine??
>>
>>ocb
>>
>>
>>>From: David Atnip <davida@mo-net.com>
>>>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>>Subject: Re: army surplus mags
>>>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:04:36 -0500
>>>
>>>Thanks Jerome, The group has been talking so much about theses mags, I
was
>>>just
>>>wondering if I wasn't seeing something..
>>>
>>>Jerome Bush wrote:
>>>
>>> > In reply to David Atnip regarding the army surplus mags. They WILL NOT
>>>fit
>>> > a Continental engine in any way. They MAY be adaptable to some
>Lycomings
>>> > but not without some machining of the Lycoming accessory case. Also
the
>>>15
>>> > degree lag angle is a problem. This early firing of the spark during
>>> > cranking could easily result in severe kick back. Broken starter,
>injury
>>>or
>>> > ? Be very careful if you want to adapt these mags to a Lycoming.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Is there anyone on the list which is actually flying the Corvair,
or is there someone in the Central Cal (or Southern Cal) area
that you may know of, who I could contact and perhaps visit?
Thanks!
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
Surlus Mag Manual needed:
Ron Deets
121 Dow Lane
North Fort Myers, FL 33917
Thanks,
Ron
I will send check immediately.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Woodbridge <garywood(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
I need one too:
Gary Woodbridge
7651 Harvey Road
Guthrie, OK 73044
Let me know the cost.
Thanks,
Gary
RDeets(at)aol.com wrote:
> Surlus Mag Manual needed:
> Ron Deets
> 121 Dow Lane
> North Fort Myers, FL 33917
>
> Thanks,
> Ron
> I will send check immediately.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Cunningham <mikec(at)microlandusa.com> |
| Subject: | Re: army surplus mags |
Me too John. If anybody hears of O-290 GPU's at that price I'll take two!
-----Original Message-----
From: John Greenlee <jgreenlee(at)morgan.net>
Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 11:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: army surplus mags
>The man I spoke with at the Army Surplus place indicated he had bought a
>bunch of semi loads of stuff from military base closures. He said he had
>some of the motors - brand new about 210 hp. He said they sold out real
>fast at $895 or $995. I'm always in the wrong place at the wrong time. I
>forget whether they were Lycoming or Continental.
>
>JMG
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Cunningham <mikec(at)microlandusa.com>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 9:58 AM
>Subject: Re: army surplus mags
>
>
>>I think most GPU's were Lycoming O-290 (G), 125/135 horse. If those mags
>>are for Lycomings I would love to pick up a couple.
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: oil can <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com>
>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 1:01 AM
>>Subject: Re: army surplus mags
>>
>>
>>>If the mags won't fit contential, and must be modifyed to fit the
>>>lycoming...what were they designed to fit ?
>>>
>>>It is my impression that the only military magnetos that the army used
>were
>>>for ground power units. As I recall, these were lycoming engines of 180
hp
>>>????
>>>
>>>By my a/c spruce catalog, the 4200 series are for the VW engine??
>>>
>>>ocb
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: David Atnip <davida@mo-net.com>
>>>>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>>>Subject: Re: army surplus mags
>>>>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:04:36 -0500
>>>>
>>>>Thanks Jerome, The group has been talking so much about theses mags, I
>was
>>>>just
>>>>wondering if I wasn't seeing something..
>>>>
>>>>Jerome Bush wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > In reply to David Atnip regarding the army surplus mags. They WILL
NOT
>>>>fit
>>>> > a Continental engine in any way. They MAY be adaptable to some
>>Lycomings
>>>> > but not without some machining of the Lycoming accessory case. Also
>the
>>>>15
>>>> > degree lag angle is a problem. This early firing of the spark during
>>>> > cranking could easily result in severe kick back. Broken starter,
>>injury
>>>>or
>>>> > ? Be very careful if you want to adapt these mags to a Lycoming.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jerome Bush <jjbush(at)egl.net> |
| Subject: | army surplus mags |
The army has used mags on many of their engines for the last 70 years.
Knowing the army, these mags may have been ordered for a 50 year old engine
which is no longer used so they sold them as surplus. I think however, that
these mags are used on a 32 cu. in. Military Standard engine used by the
military to power generators, pumps and air compressors. Colemans Surplus
(www.colemans.com.) recently had a number of these for sale on e-bay (item
# 125524077). This engine had a secondary ignition system using a water
proof magneto if a battery was not available for the electronic ignition.
Whatever, Army Surplus in Idaho sure sold a bunch of mags. I think the best
use of these mags is for spare parts for non-certified aircraft engines
using Slick mags.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: army surplus mags |
John:
I think that many of us would be interested in more information on these
engines.
Joe Matthews
Columbus, GA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Brusilow <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Jerry wrote:
<. I think the best
use of these mags is for spare parts for non-certified aircraft engines
using Slick mags.>
Right. An AI told me that there is over $100 worth of parts in those
mags. Further he said they will proably fit a 0-200.
Mike B Piet N687MB (Mr Sam )
Jerry wrote:
. I think the bestuse of these mags
is for
spare parts for non-certified aircraft enginesusing Slick
mags.
Right. An AI told me that there is over $100
worth of
parts in those mags. Further he said they will proably fit a
0-200.
Mike B Piet N687MB (Mr Sam
)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David Swagler <dswagler(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
I'd love a copy. I will reimburse any costs to you.
David Swagler
1494 S. Vaughn Circle
Aurora, CO 80012
--- User554784(at)aol.com wrote:
> To every one interested in a copy of the
> overhaul/maintenance manual for the
> slick 4200/6200 series magneto, I am more than happy
> to make copies for
> whatever it costs. I can deliver copies to those who
> make it to Oshkosh or
> broadhead and can mail the rest. Just send an e-mail
> through this discussion
> group and I'll keep track. As far as scanning the
> manual to be posted
> @aircamper.org I will not have the time 'til after
> the EAA convention.
>
> Look forward to meeting y'all.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CAho878935(at)aol.com |
There's a real nice corvair powered Piet built an flown by Allen Bergren. I
know he is in calif. but I don't have the info in front of me I'll try to did
it up and post later.
Craig Aho
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "M. E. Asher" <mcash(at)silverstar.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
User554784(at)aol.com wrote:
> To every one interested in a copy of the overhaul/maintenance manual for the
> slick 4200/6200 series magneto, I am more than happy to make copies for
> whatever it costs. I can deliver copies to those who make it to Oshkosh or
> broadhead and can mail the rest. Just send an e-mail through this discussion
> group and I'll keep track. As far as scanning the manual to be posted
> @aircamper.org I will not have the time 'til after the EAA convention.
>
> Look forward to meeting y'all.
I would like one of these manuals please, let me know the cost and I will send
it by return mail. thank you M. E. Asher Po box 3407, Alpine, Wy. 83128
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug <ve6zh(at)oanet.com> |
Received a call from Joe Vanes at 604 487 4203,at Powel River B.C. CANADA
about 2 weeks ago,he is a corvair piet driver. CF-QGA He is very happy
with his vair engined Piet,he is not on the net,was built in the 70's ,i
think he said.
> From: CAho878935(at)aol.com
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Corvair
> Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 8:54 PM
>
> There's a real nice corvair powered Piet built an flown by Allen Bergren.
I
> know he is in calif. but I don't have the info in front of me I'll try to
did
> it up and post later.
>
> Craig Aho
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug <ve6zh(at)oanet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
Would you also have a manual for a sun dial? Just kidding!
Doug
> From: David Swagler <dswagler(at)yahoo.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual
> Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 7:31 PM
>
> I'd love a copy. I will reimburse any costs to you.
>
> David Swagler
> 1494 S. Vaughn Circle
> Aurora, CO 80012
>
> --- User554784(at)aol.com wrote:
> > To every one interested in a copy of the
> > overhaul/maintenance manual for the
> > slick 4200/6200 series magneto, I am more than happy
> > to make copies for
> > whatever it costs. I can deliver copies to those who
> > make it to Oshkosh or
> > broadhead and can mail the rest. Just send an e-mail
> > through this discussion
> > group and I'll keep track. As far as scanning the
> > manual to be posted
> > @aircamper.org I will not have the time 'til after
> > the EAA convention.
> >
> > Look forward to meeting y'all.
> >
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
I talked to the fellow that cuts the wood kits for the Piet and he told
me about a fellow in Louisiana that sells a special wood glue. Can
someone here please send me his address and phone number?
Thanks
Steve
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
No , they will not fit an 0-200, I have an 0-200 and they will not fit
the accessory case...
Michael Brusilow wrote:
> Jerry wrote: <. I think the best
> use of these mags is for spare parts for non-certified aircraft
> engines
> using Slick mags.> Right. An AI told me that there is over $100 worth
> of parts in those mags. Further he said they will proably fit a
> 0-200. Mike B Piet N687MB (Mr Sam )
No , they will not fit an 0-200, I have an 0-200 and they will not fit
the accessory case...
Michael Brusilow wrote:
Jerry wrote:.
I think the best
use of these mags is for spare parts for non-certified
aircraft engines
using Slick mags.>Right.
An AI told me that there is over $100 worth of parts in those mags. Further
he said they will proably fit a 0-200.Mike
B Piet N687MB (Mr Sam )
________________________________________________________________________________
vistin(at)juno.com wrote:
>
> I talked to the fellow that cuts the wood kits for the Piet and he told
> me about a fellow in Louisiana that sells a special wood glue. Can
> someone here please send me his address and phone number?
> Thanks
> Steve
The AmBel Corp.
Sammy @ 318-876-2495
188 Cottonport Ave.
"Structan" brand adhesive
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | poop on structural and control cables? |
to all in the group,
I have a question about cables..... the prints show some cables as
different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA only allows
1/8 cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling ??? What
did you guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback.
Walt
to all in the group,
I have a question about
cables.....
the prints show some cables as different sizing. What I have
learned now
is that the FAA only allows 1/8 cable for all control cables. What is
the poop
on cabling ??? What did you guys use??? Thanks if you can give me
some
feedback.
Walt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug <ve6zh(at)oanet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: poop on structural and control cables? |
Walter,i used 7/19 galv.on controls,and 1/19 galv.on bracing wires.
Doug
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | poop on structural and control cables? |
to all in the group, I have a question about cables..... the prints show
some cables as different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA
only allows 1/8 cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling
??? What did you guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback. Walt
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: poop on structural and control cables? |
I used 1/16" stainless 1x19 on the tail fittings, 3/32" 7x19 stainless
on the control system and will use 1/8" 1 or 7 x 19 on the struts. I
have my aileron cables totally outside the airplane. If I used 1/8" for
that, I wouldn't get off the ground. By outside I mean the aileron cable
runs along the outside top of the wing suspended by wooden blocks along
the way (per the plans).
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug <ve6zh(at)oanet.com>
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Sunday, July 18, 1999 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
Walter,i used 7/19 galv.on controls,and 1/19 galv.on bracing wires.
Doug
----------
From: walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net>
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Subject: poop on structural and control cables?
Date: Sunday, July 18, 1999 4:19 PM
to all in the group, I have a question about cables..... the
prints show some cables as different sizing. What I have learned now is
that the FAA only allows 1/8 cable for all control cables. What is the
poop on cabling ??? What did you guys use??? Thanks if you can give me
some feedback. Walt
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Any GN-1 buildes here? |
Is there any GN-1 builders here? I am just wondering if anyone is
building one here in the Piet discussion.
Steve
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Any GN-1 buildes here? |
vistin(at)juno.com wrote:
>
> Is there any GN-1 builders here? I am just wondering if anyone is
> building one here in the Piet discussion.
>
> Steve
Plenty of them Steve, I'm just not one of them. Some of the folks are
out getting ready for Brodhead and Osh, so they may be a while getting
back to you. Stick around.
Dannymac
________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: poop on structural and control cables? |
>
> to all in the group,
> I have a question about cables..... the prints show some cables as
> different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA only allows 1/8
> cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling ??? What did you
> guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback.
> Walt
Walt- Opps, I followed the 3/32" diam. plans for the elevator and rudder
cables and the FAA guy
didn't give me any trouble about that. It saves weight back there too where
you don't need it anywho....
but the 1/8" do look more comforting :))
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)startribune.com> |
| Subject: | Re: poop on structural and control cables? |
I'm using 3/32 on tail structure and controls. 1/8 on lift strut and
cabane bracing.
Mine is not in the air yet.
Greg Cardinal
>>> walter evans 07/18 4:19 PM >>>
to all in the group,
I have a question about cables..... the prints show some cables as
different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA only allows 1/8
cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling ??? What did you
guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback.
Walt
________________________________________________________________________________
Who used the same size control pulleys that Bernard calls for in the
plans? After reading some of the parts catalogs and Tont B's book (yes,
I received it Friday), I am afraid some of the FAA guys may not approve
a 2" pulley in the aileron controls.
Dannymac
________________________________________________________________________________
I used pully sizes and cable sizes per the plans....
Earl Myers
Did you get your gear gage sizes straightened out?
-----Original Message-----
From: dannymac <dannymac@hal-pc.org>
Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 10:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: pulleys
>Who used the same size control pulleys that Bernard calls for in the
>plans? After reading some of the parts catalogs and Tont B's book (yes,
>I received it Friday), I am afraid some of the FAA guys may not approve
>a 2" pulley in the aileron controls.
>
>Dannymac
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
I've got 2" everywhere.
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> dannymac
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 8:23 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: pulleys
>
>
> Who used the same size control pulleys that Bernard calls for in the
> plans? After reading some of the parts catalogs and Tont B's
> book (yes,
> I received it Friday), I am afraid some of the FAA guys may
> not approve
> a 2" pulley in the aileron controls.
>
> Dannymac
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: poop on structural and control cables? |
For those Canadians on the list, you'll be happy to know that Canadian
Tire carries the 7x19 1/8" control cable. It's actually labeled as
"Aircraft Cable" and if you check the side of the spool, you will see the
MS/AN number. It is exactly the same as what you will buy from AS&S but is
cheaper and can be had on a Saturday afternoon while rigging the ailerons
and realizing that the cable you just cut is to $%&#* short. Not that that
happened to me last weekend ;-).
Ken
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Michael D Cuy wrote:
> >
> > to all in the group,
> > I have a question about cables..... the prints show some cables as
> > different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA only allows 1/8
> > cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling ??? What did you
> > guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback.
> > Walt
>
>
> Walt- Opps, I followed the 3/32" diam. plans for the elevator and rudder
> cables and the FAA guy
> didn't give me any trouble about that. It saves weight back there too where
> you don't need it anywho....
> but the 1/8" do look more comforting :))
>
> Mike C.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: poop on structural and control cables? |
Earl,
I received several responses to my question on control surface
deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you
all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What should
the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and
elevator?
If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.
Thanks for your response.
Bill
From: Earl Myers [SMTP:allaire(at)raex.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 1999 9:41 PM
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Subject: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
I used 1/16" stainless 1x19 on the tail fittings, 3/32" 7x19
stainless on the control system and will use 1/8" 1 or 7 x 19 on the
struts. I have my aileron cables totally outside the airplane. If I
used
1/8" for that, I wouldn't get off the ground. By outside I mean the
aileron cable runs along the outside top of the wing suspended by
wooden
blocks along the way (per the plans).
Earl Myers
=09
=09
bracing wires.
=09
=09
cables..... the prints show some cables as different sizing.What I
have learned now is that the FAA only allows 1/8 cable for all control
cables. What is the poop on cabling ??? What did you guys use???
=A0Thanks
if you can give me some feedback. Walt
=09
=09
5.0.1458.49">
Earl,
I received several responses to my
question on control surface deflections. But, none answered the
question I had. So, knowing you all have expertise in Piets, Let
me ask my question again. What should the control surface
deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator? If possible,
the number of degrees would be most helpful.
Thanks for your response.
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
FACE"Arial"> wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net
FACE"Arial">piet(at)byu.edu
FACE"Arial">
| Subject: | poop on structural and control cables? |
to all in the group,=A0I have a question about cables..... the
prints show some cables as different sizing.What I have learned now
is that the FAA only allows 1/8 cable for all control cables. What is
the poop on cabling ??? What did you guys use???Thanks if you can
give me some feedback. Walt
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: poop on structural and control cables? |
Michael,
I received several responses to my question on control surface
deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you
all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What should
the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and
elevator?
If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.
Thanks for your response.
Bill
From: Michael D Cuy [SMTP:Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov]
Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 6:12 AM
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Subject: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
=09
some cables as different sizing.=A0 What I have learned now is that the
FAA only allows 1/8 cable for all control cables. What is the poop on
cabling ??? What did you guys use???=A0 Thanks if you can give me some
feedback.
=09
Walt- Opps, I followed the 3/32" diam. plans for the elevator
and rudder=A0 cables and the FAA guy
didn't give me any trouble about that.=A0=A0 It saves weight back
there too where you don't need it anywho....
but the 1/8" do look more comforting :))
=09
Mike C.
=09
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: poop on structural and control cables? |
Greg,
I received several responses to my question on control surface
deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you
all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What should
the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator?
If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.
Thanks for your response.
Bill
From: Greg Cardinal [SMTP:gcardinal(at)startribune.com]
Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 8:33 AM
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Subject: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
I'm using 3/32 on tail structure and controls. 1/8 on lift strut
and cabane bracing.
Mine is not in the air yet.
Greg Cardinal
>>> walter evans 07/18 4:19 PM >>>
to all in the group,
I have a question about cables..... the prints show some
cables as different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA
only allows 1/8 cable for all control cables. What is the poop on
cabling ??? What did you guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some
feedback.
Walt
charsetUS-ASCII">
5.0.1458.49">
Greg,
I received several responses to my
question on control surface deflections. But, none answered the
question I had. So, knowing you all have expertise in Piets, Let
me ask my question again. What should the control surface
deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator? If possible,
the number of degrees would be most helpful.
Thanks for your response.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Cardinal
[SMTP:gcardinal(at)startribune.com]
Sent:
SIZE2 FACE"Arial">Monday, July 19, 1999 8:33 AM
FACE"Arial">To:
FACE"Arial">Pietenpol Discussion
FACE"Arial">Subject:=
Re: poop on structural and control
cables?
I'm using 3/32 on
tail structure and controls. 1/8 on lift strut and cabane
bracing.
Mine is not in the
air yet.
Greg
Cardinal
walter
evans wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net 07/18 4:19 PM
to all in the
group,
I have a
question about cables..... the prints show some cables as
different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA only
allows 1/8 cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling
??? What did you guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some
feedback.
Walt
________________________________________________________________________________
Dannymac,
I received several responses to my question on control surface
deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you
all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What should
the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator?
If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.
Thanks for your response.
Bill
From: dannymac [SMTP:dannymac@hal-pc.org]
Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 8:23 AM
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Subject: pulleys
Who used the same size control pulleys that Bernard calls for in
the
plans? After reading some of the parts catalogs and Tont B's
book (yes,
I received it Friday), I am afraid some of the FAA guys may not
approve
a 2" pulley in the aileron controls.
Dannymac
charsetUS-ASCII">
5.0.1458.49">
Dannymac,
I received several responses to my
question on control surface deflections. But, none answered the
question I had. So, knowing you all have expertise in Piets, Let
me ask my question again. What should the control surface
deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator? If possible,
the number of degrees would be most helpful.
Thanks for your response.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: dannymac
[SMTP:dannymac@hal-pc.org]
Sent:
SIZE2 FACE"Arial">Monday, July 19, 1999 8:23 AM
FACE"Arial">To:
FACE"Arial">Pietenpol Discussion
FACE"Arial">Subject:=
pulleys
Who used the same
size control pulleys that Bernard calls for in the
plans? After
reading some of the parts catalogs and Tont B's book (yes,
I received it
Friday), I am afraid some of the FAA guys may not approve
a 2 pulley in
the aileron controls.
Dannymac
________________________________________________________________________________
Steve,
I received several responses to my question on control surface
deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you
all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What should
the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator?
If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.
Thanks for your response.
Bill
From: steve(at)byu.edu [SMTP:steve(at)byu.edu]
Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 8:52 AM
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Subject: RE: pulleys
I've got 2" everywhere.
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
Behalf Of
> dannymac
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 8:23 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: pulleys
>
>
> Who used the same size control pulleys that Bernard calls for
in the
> plans? After reading some of the parts catalogs and Tont B's
> book (yes,
> I received it Friday), I am afraid some of the FAA guys may
> not approve
> a 2" pulley in the aileron controls.
>
> Dannymac
>
charsetUS-ASCII">
5.0.1458.49">
Steve,
I received several responses to my
question on control surface deflections. But, none answered the
question I had. So, knowing you all have expertise in Piets, Let
me ask my question again. What should the control surface
deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator? If possible,
the number of degrees would be most helpful.
Thanks for your response.
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: poop on structural and control cables? |
Ken,
I received several responses to my question on control surface
deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you
all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What should
the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator?
If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.
Thanks for your response.
Bill
From: Ken Beanlands [SMTP:kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca]
Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 8:52 AM
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Subject: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
For those Canadians on the list, you'll be happy to know that
Canadian
Tire carries the 7x19 1/8" control cable. It's actually labeled
as
"Aircraft Cable" and if you check the side of the spool, you
will see the
MS/AN number. It is exactly the same as what you will buy from
AS&S but is
cheaper and can be had on a Saturday afternoon while rigging the
ailerons
and realizing that the cable you just cut is to $%&#* short. Not
that that
happened to me last weekend ;-).
Ken
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Michael D Cuy wrote:
> >
> > to all in the group,
> > I have a question about cables..... the prints show some
cables as
> > different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA
only allows 1/8
> > cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling
??? What did you
> > guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback.
> > Walt
>
>
> Walt- Opps, I followed the 3/32" diam. plans for the elevator
and rudder
> cables and the FAA guy
> didn't give me any trouble about that. It saves weight back
there too where
> you don't need it anywho....
> but the 1/8" do look more comforting :))
>
> Mike C.
>
C-GREN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | HotelPaPa6(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Any GN-1 buildes here? |
Steve
I am building a GN-1 close to Tallahassee, Fl. Are you building one?
Tom
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)startribune.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables? |
Bill,
I can't give an answer in degrees. Plans do not give that information.
Some people put in control stops. This is a good idea for the rudder to
prevent it from contacting the elevators.
Your knees will act as natural aileron stops.
Elevator stops are a good idea but I can't give any advice on travel
limits.
Greg Cardinal
>>> "Creech, Bill" <WACreech@PCD-EMH1.ARMY.MIL> 07/19 9:18 AM >>>
Greg,
I received several responses to my question on control surface
deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you
all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What should
the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator?
If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.
Thanks for your response.
Bill
From: Greg Cardinal [SMTP:gcardinal(at)startribune.com]
Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 8:33 AM
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Subject: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
I'm using 3/32 on tail structure and controls. 1/8 on lift strut
and cabane bracing.
Mine is not in the air yet.
Greg Cardinal
>>> walter evans 07/18 4:19 PM >>>
to all in the group,
I have a question about cables..... the prints show some
cables as different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA
only allows 1/8 cable for all control cables. What is the poop on
cabling ??? What did you guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some
feedback.
Walt
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | test, please ignore |
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: poop on structural and control cables? |
Guys;
I used 25 degrees up elevator, 20 down. Rudder, I put stop blocks on
the firewall (single seat Scout) so the rudder doesn't hit the elevator,
degree of travel unknown. The ailerons the same meaning the aileron
won't or can't go passed a certain point down cause the spars will
contact each other, that is the stop for that control, either way. No
degree of travel determined............Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Creech, Bill <WACreech@PCD-EMH1.ARMY.MIL>
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 11:24 AM
Subject: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
Ken,
I received several responses to my question on control surface
deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you
all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What should
the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator?
If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.
Thanks for your response.
Bill
From: Ken Beanlands [SMTP:kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca]
Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 8:52 AM
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Subject: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
For those Canadians on the list, you'll be happy to know that
Canadian
Tire carries the 7x19 1/8" control cable. It's actually labeled
as
"Aircraft Cable" and if you check the side of the spool, you
will see the
MS/AN number. It is exactly the same as what you will buy from
AS&S but is
cheaper and can be had on a Saturday afternoon while rigging the
ailerons
and realizing that the cable you just cut is to $%&#* short. Not
that that
happened to me last weekend ;-).
Ken
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Michael D Cuy wrote:
> >
> > to all in the group,
> > I have a question about cables..... the prints show some
cables as
> > different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA
only allows 1/8
> > cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling
??? What did you
> > guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback.
> > Walt
>
>
> Walt- Opps, I followed the 3/32" diam. plans for the elevator
and rudder
> cables and the FAA guy
> didn't give me any trouble about that. It saves weight back
there too where
> you don't need it anywho....
> but the 1/8" do look more comforting :))
>
> Mike C.
>
C-GREN
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables? |
Ref control stops, some FAA Inspectors will zero in on that issue & others
won't! Same with the cable issue. Some will have a fit over anything less
than 1/8" cable anywhere and some won't. Most of the time it is your answer
to their questions and how affirmative and knowledgeable you are.....if you
get goosy on the answers or why you did it this way or that, they will keep
picking. I CAN TELL YOU FIRST HAND that many of them DO NOT KNOW what to
look for. They work from a checklist and most of them LEARN FROM US as they
go as to what to look for. I know of one guy that insists on having all
exposed fuel lines made from Aeroquip FAA/PMA/STC pressure tested assembled
hoses.........! Copper fuel lines on a Piet, HAH! So, stick to the plans,
that is your "out" or, ask others and document why 25/20 for example.
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)startribune.com>
Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 11:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
>Bill,
>I can't give an answer in degrees. Plans do not give that information. Some
people put in control stops. This is a good idea for the rudder to prevent
it from contacting the elevators.
>Your knees will act as natural aileron stops.
>Elevator stops are a good idea but I can't give any advice on travel
limits.
>
>Greg Cardinal
>
>>>> "Creech, Bill" <WACreech@PCD-EMH1.ARMY.MIL> 07/19 9:18 AM >>>
>Greg,
>
>I received several responses to my question on control surface
>deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you
>all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What should
>the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator?
>If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.
>
>Thanks for your response.
>
>Bill
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Cardinal [SMTP:gcardinal(at)startribune.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 8:33 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
>
> I'm using 3/32 on tail structure and controls. 1/8 on lift strut
>and cabane bracing.
> Mine is not in the air yet.
>
> Greg Cardinal
>
> >>> walter evans 07/18 4:19 PM >>>
> to all in the group,
> I have a question about cables..... the prints show some
>cables as different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA
>only allows 1/8 cable for all control cables. What is the poop on
>cabling ??? What did you guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some
>feedback.
> Walt
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Dmac;
As someone pointed out, your control limits on the ailerons are most
limited by your thighs......! That is a very non-scientific answer but
it is true! In my case when I run out of travel, I just stick my arm out
into the breeze on the downwing side and cup my hand........good trim
device!
Earl Myers
PS: Iron Mike Cuy does this too but he uses his ears, one at a
time.............(hi mike)
-----Original Message-----
From: Creech, Bill <WACreech@PCD-EMH1.ARMY.MIL>
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 11:21 AM
Subject: RE: pulleys
Dannymac,
I received several responses to my question on control surface
deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you
all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What should
the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator?
If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.
Thanks for your response.
Bill
From: dannymac [SMTP:dannymac@hal-pc.org]
Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 8:23 AM
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Subject: pulleys
Who used the same size control pulleys that Bernard calls for in
the
plans? After reading some of the parts catalogs and Tont B's
book (yes,
I received it Friday), I am afraid some of the FAA guys may not
approve
a 2" pulley in the aileron controls.
Dannymac
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: RE: poop on structural and control cables? |
Agreed. My instpector made all kinds of noise about my non TSO'ed
seatbelts. Later found out that he was a certified seat belt manufacture in
a previous job... All worked out in the end however.
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Earl Myers
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 10:36 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
>
>
> Ref control stops, some FAA Inspectors will zero in on that
> issue & others
> won't! Same with the cable issue. Some will have a fit over
> anything less
> than 1/8" cable anywhere and some won't. Most of the time it
> is your answer
> to their questions and how affirmative and knowledgeable you
> are.....if you
> get goosy on the answers or why you did it this way or that,
> they will keep
> picking. I CAN TELL YOU FIRST HAND that many of them DO NOT
> KNOW what to
> look for. They work from a checklist and most of them LEARN
> FROM US as they
> go as to what to look for. I know of one guy that insists on
> having all
> exposed fuel lines made from Aeroquip FAA/PMA/STC pressure
> tested assembled
> hoses.........! Copper fuel lines on a Piet, HAH! So, stick
> to the plans,
> that is your "out" or, ask others and document why 25/20 for example.
> Earl Myers
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)startribune.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 11:52 AM
> Subject: Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
>
>
> >Bill,
> >I can't give an answer in degrees. Plans do not give that
> information. Some
> people put in control stops. This is a good idea for the
> rudder to prevent
> it from contacting the elevators.
> >Your knees will act as natural aileron stops.
> >Elevator stops are a good idea but I can't give any advice on travel
> limits.
> >
> >Greg Cardinal
> >
> >>>> "Creech, Bill" <WACreech@PCD-EMH1.ARMY.MIL> 07/19 9:18 AM >>>
> >Greg,
> >
> >I received several responses to my question on control surface
> >deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you
> >all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again.
> What should
> >the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder
> and elevator?
> >If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.
> >
> >Thanks for your response.
> >
> >Bill
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Greg Cardinal [SMTP:gcardinal(at)startribune.com]
> > Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 8:33 AM
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
> >
> > I'm using 3/32 on tail structure and controls. 1/8 on lift strut
> >and cabane bracing.
> > Mine is not in the air yet.
> >
> > Greg Cardinal
> >
> > >>> walter evans 07/18 4:19 PM >>>
> > to all in the group,
> > I have a question about cables..... the prints show some
> >cables as different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA
> >only allows 1/8 cable for all control cables. What is the poop on
> >cabling ??? What did you guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some
> >feedback.
> > Walt
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | RE: poop on structural and control cables? |
Bill,
The Piet list in a "Discussion List". As such, you may not always get an
immediate response and the responses that are sent TO THE LIST may just be
good, general info on the same topic. Replying to EVERY post and to
everyone on the list with the following post is not good netiquette. A
single post a day or so later re-asking the question is fine, but not to
every post that furthers the thread. Even if you just replied to the
poster alone, it would be better.
Some people out there have to pay per download and/or for connected time.
Having to haul down 10 posts with the same message is very annoying.
Thanks,
Ken.
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Creech, Bill wrote:
> Ken,
>
> I received several responses to my question on control surface
> deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you
> all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What should
> the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator?
> If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.
>
> Thanks for your response.
>
> Bill
>
>
> From: Ken Beanlands [SMTP:kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca]
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 8:52 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
>
> For those Canadians on the list, you'll be happy to know that
> Canadian
> Tire carries the 7x19 1/8" control cable. It's actually labeled
> as
> "Aircraft Cable" and if you check the side of the spool, you
> will see the
> MS/AN number. It is exactly the same as what you will buy from
> AS&S but is
> cheaper and can be had on a Saturday afternoon while rigging the
> ailerons
> and realizing that the cable you just cut is to $%&#* short. Not
> that that
> happened to me last weekend ;-).
>
> Ken
>
> On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Michael D Cuy wrote:
>
> > >
> > > to all in the group,
> > > I have a question about cables..... the prints show some
> cables as
> > > different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA
> only allows 1/8
> > > cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling
> ??? What did you
> > > guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback.
> > > Walt
> >
> >
> > Walt- Opps, I followed the 3/32" diam. plans for the elevator
> and rudder
> > cables and the FAA guy
> > didn't give me any trouble about that. It saves weight back
> there too where
> > you don't need it anywho....
> > but the 1/8" do look more comforting :))
> >
> > Mike C.
> >
>
>
> C-GREN
> <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your
> eyes
> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will
> always be.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ganczakowski, Peter" |
| Subject: | Distribution List |
Can someone please delete my name from the distribution list. Interested as I am
in the subject matter as a Pietenpol owner in the UK, I find that the quantity
of e-mails (only a few of which are relevant to me), are clogging my system.
I have tried to exit the distribution using the de-list command on the web site
address, but I am still recieving lots of unwanted correspondence.
Thanks
Peter Ganczakowski
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Beanlands [SMTP:kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca]
> Sent: 19 July 1999 18:02
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
>
> Bill,
>
> The Piet list in a "Discussion List". As such, you may not always get an
> immediate response and the responses that are sent TO THE LIST may just be
> good, general info on the same topic. Replying to EVERY post and to
> everyone on the list with the following post is not good netiquette. A
> single post a day or so later re-asking the question is fine, but not to
> every post that furthers the thread. Even if you just replied to the
> poster alone, it would be better.
>
> Some people out there have to pay per download and/or for connected time.
> Having to haul down 10 posts with the same message is very annoying.
>
> Thanks,
> Ken.
>
> On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Creech, Bill wrote:
>
> > Ken,
> >
> > I received several responses to my question on control surface
> > deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you
> > all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What should
> > the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator?
> > If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.
> >
> > Thanks for your response.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > From: Ken Beanlands [SMTP:kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca]
> > Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 8:52 AM
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
> >
> > For those Canadians on the list, you'll be happy to know that
> > Canadian
> > Tire carries the 7x19 1/8" control cable. It's actually labeled
> > as
> > "Aircraft Cable" and if you check the side of the spool, you
> > will see the
> > MS/AN number. It is exactly the same as what you will buy from
> > AS&S but is
> > cheaper and can be had on a Saturday afternoon while rigging the
> > ailerons
> > and realizing that the cable you just cut is to $%&#* short. Not
> > that that
> > happened to me last weekend ;-).
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Michael D Cuy wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > to all in the group,
> > > > I have a question about cables..... the prints show some
> > cables as
> > > > different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA
> > only allows 1/8
> > > > cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling
> > ??? What did you
> > > > guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback.
> > > > Walt
> > >
> > >
> > > Walt- Opps, I followed the 3/32" diam. plans for the elevator
> > and rudder
> > > cables and the FAA guy
> > > didn't give me any trouble about that. It saves weight back
> > there too where
> > > you don't need it anywho....
> > > but the 1/8" do look more comforting :))
> > >
> > > Mike C.
> > >
> >
> >
> > C-GREN
> > <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
> > When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your
> > eyes
> > turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will
> > always be.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: poop on structural and control cables? |
Earl,
Thanks for the advice. I'll let Gil know--in fact, I have printed your
response and will forward it to him. He is uncertain of his computer
skills. If you ever feel a need to contact him, his name is Gil
Gildersleeve, 911 Ellston St., Colorado Springs, CO 80907, (719)
599-3307. He should have his Aircamper flying this summer, but
unfortunately not in time for Oshkosh. He says that every week he is
half way to completion, but we all know as long you only get half way,
you'll never get there--but he will. He is an excellent builder, this
is his second project, the first being a motor glider, which he still
has.
Again, Thanks
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David Swagler <dswagler(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | news flash: William Wynne among the living! |
I received my long awaited Corvair conversion manual
today! Take heart, he still breathes!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables? |
This is EXACTLY the kind of thing I was talking about! I know from first
hand experience that you can become a MIDO inspector and NEVER have ANY
experience with experimental airplanes, been an aviator of any type or ever
stepped foot on an airport. Main requirement is to have had some experience
inspecting "CLASS 3" manufactured items at an FAA approved repair or mfg
shop plus a couple of "other" requirements that I choose not to
mention............long story made short, YOU are the builder or
Manufacturer and if you are using a set of experimental plans and the FAA
person makes you change to something not on the plans............HE (or she)
just became a Manufacturing Engineer! There are times when I have seen them
(the experienced ones) catch boo boos like using screen door turnbuckles
instead of A.N. and some other things.........just stick to your guns, er,
cable size!
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: steve(at)byu.edu
Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 12:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
>Agreed. My instpector made all kinds of noise about my non TSO'ed
>seatbelts. Later found out that he was a certified seat belt manufacture
in
>a previous job... All worked out in the end however.
>
>Steve Eldredge
>IT Services
>Brigham Young University
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Earl Myers
>> Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 10:36 AM
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Subject: Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
>>
>>
>> Ref control stops, some FAA Inspectors will zero in on that
>> issue & others
>> won't! Same with the cable issue. Some will have a fit over
>> anything less
>> than 1/8" cable anywhere and some won't. Most of the time it
>> is your answer
>> to their questions and how affirmative and knowledgeable you
>> are.....if you
>> get goosy on the answers or why you did it this way or that,
>> they will keep
>> picking. I CAN TELL YOU FIRST HAND that many of them DO NOT
>> KNOW what to
>> look for. They work from a checklist and most of them LEARN
>> FROM US as they
>> go as to what to look for. I know of one guy that insists on
>> having all
>> exposed fuel lines made from Aeroquip FAA/PMA/STC pressure
>> tested assembled
>> hoses.........! Copper fuel lines on a Piet, HAH! So, stick
>> to the plans,
>> that is your "out" or, ask others and document why 25/20 for example.
>> Earl Myers
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)startribune.com>
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 11:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
>>
>>
>> >Bill,
>> >I can't give an answer in degrees. Plans do not give that
>> information. Some
>> people put in control stops. This is a good idea for the
>> rudder to prevent
>> it from contacting the elevators.
>> >Your knees will act as natural aileron stops.
>> >Elevator stops are a good idea but I can't give any advice on travel
>> limits.
>> >
>> >Greg Cardinal
>> >
>> >>>> "Creech, Bill" <WACreech@PCD-EMH1.ARMY.MIL> 07/19 9:18 AM >>>
>> >Greg,
>> >
>> >I received several responses to my question on control surface
>> >deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you
>> >all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again.
>> What should
>> >the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder
>> and elevator?
>> >If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.
>> >
>> >Thanks for your response.
>> >
>> >Bill
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Greg Cardinal [SMTP:gcardinal(at)startribune.com]
>> > Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 8:33 AM
>> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> > Subject: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
>> >
>> > I'm using 3/32 on tail structure and controls. 1/8 on lift strut
>> >and cabane bracing.
>> > Mine is not in the air yet.
>> >
>> > Greg Cardinal
>> >
>> > >>> walter evans 07/18 4:19 PM >>>
>> > to all in the group,
>> > I have a question about cables..... the prints show some
>> >cables as different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA
>> >only allows 1/8 cable for all control cables. What is the poop on
>> >cabling ??? What did you guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some
>> >feedback.
>> > Walt
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | DonanClara(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: poop on structural and control cables? |
Walt...I'm set up same as Greg...3/32 on tail feathers and controls..1/8 on
struts and cabanes..I don't anticipate any problems with the FAA inspector
Don Hicks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
Guys- as long as we are on the subject of control systems, my FAA
inspector was VERY interested in pulley cable guards and control stops.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | thanks for the poop |
Thanks for all the input!
"stick to the plans" it is.
Walt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Copinfo <Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: poop on structural and control cables? |
I set my ailerons with 2 degrees down on both sides. The old timers at
my field said that looked right to them. It flew well, so, if it's not
right at least it is safe for me. I did have a heavy left wing when I
first flew and had to use a bunch of right aileron to keep it level. I
pulled the right wing back a little and left the left wing where I set
it. It really helped. I don't know if that's the way to do it but it
flys good now. On J-3 Cubs they adjust the wing with the rear strut.
I'm going to do some more research and see why. Good luck.
-----Original Message-----
From: Creech, Bill <WACreech@PCD-EMH1.ARMY.MIL>
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 10:19 AM
Subject: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
Earl,
I received several responses to my question on control surface
deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you
all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What should
the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator?
If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.
Thanks for your response.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Earl Myers [SMTP:allaire(at)raex.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 1999 9:41 PM
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Subject: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
I used 1/16" stainless 1x19 on the tail fittings, 3/32" 7x19
stainless on the control system and will use 1/8" 1 or 7 x 19 on the
struts. I have my aileron cables totally outside the airplane. If I used
1/8" for that, I wouldn't get off the ground. By outside I mean the
aileron cable runs along the outside top of the wing suspended by wooden
blocks along the way (per the plans).
Earl Myers
wires.
the prints show some cables as different sizing. What I have learned
now is that the FAA only allows 1/8 cable for all control cables. What
is the poop on cabling ??? What did you guys use??? Thanks if you can
give me some feedback. Walt
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: poop on structural and control cables? |
Tim,
Congratulations on your first flights! I am curious as to what you did to
"pull" the right wing back a little to correct your left turning tendency.
What does that mean? I have had a simillar problem and I just used the
flying wires to tension the wing (twist) slightly to achieve correct
rigging. Look forward to seeing you on our trip....
Steve Eldredge
Steve(at)byu.edu
IT Services
Brigham Young University
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 2:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
I set my ailerons with 2 degrees down on both sides. The old timers at my
field said that looked right to them. It flew well, so, if it's not right
at least it is safe for me. I did have a heavy left wing when I first flew
and had to use a bunch of right aileron to keep it level. I pulled the
right wing back a little and left the left wing where I set it. It really
helped. I don't know if that's the way to do it but it flys good now. On
J-3 Cubs they adjust the wing with the rear strut. I'm going to do some
more research and see why. Good luck.
-----Original Message-----
From: Creech, Bill < WACreech@PCD-EMH1.ARMY.MIL>
Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 10:19 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
Earl,
I received several responses to my question on control surface deflections.
But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you all have expertise
in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What should the control surface
deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator? If possible, the
number of degrees would be most helpful.
Thanks for your response.
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Earl Myers [SMTP:allaire(at)raex.com] |
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 1999 9:41 PM
| Subject: | Re: Re: poop on structural and control cables? |
I used 1/16" stainless 1x19 on the tail fittings, 3/32" 7x19 stainless on
the control system and will use 1/8" 1 or 7 x 19 on the struts. I have my
aileron cables totally outside the airplane. If I used 1/8" for that, I
wouldn't get off the ground. By outside I mean the aileron cable runs along
the outside top of the wing suspended by wooden blocks along the way (per
the plans).
Earl Myers
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: poop on structural and control cables? |
Walter,i used 7/19 galv.on controls,and 1/19 galv.on bracing wires.
Doug
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans < wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net < |
| Subject: | poop on structural and control cables? |
to all in the group, I have a question about cables..... the prints show
some cables as different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA
only allows 1/8 cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling
??? What did you guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback. Walt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Greenlee <jgreenlee(at)morgan.net> |
| Subject: | progress report etc. |
Good Day,
I had a sign painter here most of the day and he painted the
registration numbers on each wing and on one side of the rudder. He is
supposed to be back Thursday and finish the rudder and paint the logos
on each side of the fuselage.
The registration numbers -- NX899JG are hand painted complete with
graceful curves and brush marks. KOOL! Not as 'perfect' as stenciled
and sprayed numbers but looks exactly right on my brand new antique
airplane.
All fabric parts are painted. I have re-assembled the cockpit cowls to
work out the coaming. Looks like a lot of fussy work. I think I will
wait until after Brodhead so I can closely examine a lot of cockpits and
make up my mind exactly how to do it.
Today I painted the motor cowl a few coats. Probably need to sand it
out with 600 and give it another coat or two before rubbing and
polishing. I still need to: make cockpit coamings, make windscreens,
paint the rest of the sheet metal, paint the struts and a few fittings,
re-assemble ship and make up new jury struts. 90% done and 90% to go.
JMG
Good Day,
I had a sign painter here most of
the day and he
painted the registration numbers on each wing and on one side of the
rudder. He is supposed to be back Thursday and finish the rudder
and paint
the logos on each side of the fuselage.
The registration numbers -- NX899JG
are hand
painted complete with graceful curves and brush marks. KOOL!
Not as
'perfect' as stenciled and sprayed numbers but looks exactly right on my
brand
new antique airplane.
All fabric parts are painted.
I have
re-assembled the cockpit cowls to work out the coaming. Looks like
a lot
of fussy work. I think I will wait until after Brodhead so I can
closely
examine a lot of cockpits and make up my mind exactly how to do
it.
Today I painted the motor cowl a few
coats. Probably need to sand it out with 600 and give it another
coat or
two before rubbing and polishing. I still need to: make
cockpit
coamings, make windscreens, paint the rest of the sheet metal, paint the
struts
and a few fittings, re-assemble ship and make up new jury struts.
90% done
and 90% to go.
JMG
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Greenlee <jgreenlee(at)morgan.net> |
| Subject: | Jim Kinsella's Piet |
Many of you may know Jim Kinsella. His bare-bones airframe was brought
to Brodhead 2 or 3 years ago and his meticulous wood work was admired by
many.
I got word this morning he made the first flights Saturday. Hopes to
bring it to Brodhead if he can get the hours flown off.
JMG
Many of you may know Jim
Kinsella. His
bare-bones airframe was brought to Brodhead 2 or 3 years ago and his
meticulous
wood work was admired by many.
I got word this morning he made the
first
flights Saturday. Hopes to bring it to Brodhead if he can get the
hours
flown off.
JMG
________________________________________________________________________________
Alan moved to Arizona.
Ron Lebfrom
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: progress report etc. |
I think you're going to beat me to the finish line. We have definitely
made some progress on our Christavia in the last couple of weeks. We had
the wings on and rigged the ailerons last weekend (July 10), after waiting
about 5 weeks for a good forcast. After fooling around with trying to make
the cables all work right(the plans leave a little to be desired in this
area) we finally got everything rigged. Unfortunately, I ran out of light
before I could rig the jury struts. The real stupid thing was that we
forgot to get pictures!
This past weekend I ended up at a self serve sand-blasting company that we
found. There I did the struts, engine mount, seat, and various other
fittings. I was quite please with being able to do everything in 30
minutes rather than the 2 hours it took to do the LG legs recently.
I also got word from the engine shop building my 150 hp Franklin. It's
been running! The best news is that I don't have to buy a new carb or
mags. I had a C-150 carb that was missing the mix arm. They rebuilt it for
halfo of what a new one would cost. The other interesting thing was that
they used the Army Surplus mags I sent them! The Frank has the same mount
hole as the C-85. However, Mr. Engine-God was able to replace the front
half of the case with ones that fit and somehow made changes to the shaft
so it worked. It was hard to understand his description over the phone.
So, the 8 mags I bought were not a lost cause ;-).
Covering is going well. My wife, Renee, has the tail just about done and
is ready to start on the door, ailerons and LG legs. The precover
inspection was signed off about three weeks ago. If all goes well, we
should have the plane painted by the end of Sept. I'm starting to think
that a '99 first flight may not materialize, but we'll be close.
Ken
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, John Greenlee wrote:
>snip<
> Today I painted the motor cowl a few coats. Probably need to sand it
> out with 600 and give it another coat or two before rubbing and
> polishing. I still need to: make cockpit coamings, make windscreens,
> paint the rest of the sheet metal, paint the struts and a few fittings,
> re-assemble ship and make up new jury struts. 90% done and 90% to go.
>
> JMG
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | pschultz(at)uplogon.com (Paul Schultz) |
| Subject: | RE: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
Please make a copy for me too! I'll pay you for it at Oshkosh. Thanx
Paul Schultz
-----Original Message-----
From: User554784(at)aol.com [SMTP:User554784(at)aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 11:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual
To every one interested in a copy of the overhaul/maintenance manual for the
slick 4200/6200 series magneto, I am more than happy to make copies for
whatever it costs. I can deliver copies to those who make it to Oshkosh or
broadhead and can mail the rest. Just send an e-mail through this discussion
group and I'll keep track. As far as scanning the manual to be posted
@aircamper.org I will not have the time 'til after the EAA convention.
Look forward to meeting y'all.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pulley guards |
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov>
Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 3:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pulley guards
I just had the airworthiness inspection on my Rans S-12 I just finished a
few days ago. My DAR went over everything really good, and found a couple
of minor things that I fixed on the spot. He paid the most attention to
control stops. He wanted to know the suggested degrees up, down, left,
right, etc, and then we verified all of them with a big protractor I had
built. He then marked all the nuts with bright pink torque seal, which
looks interesting on my bright yellow covered airplane. Oh well, at least I
got the pink copy, but it's going to take me a long time to fly off the 40
hours, cause I spend most of my flying time in my GN-1.
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
>Guys- as long as we are on the subject of control systems, my FAA
>inspector was VERY interested in pulley cable guards and control stops.
>Mike C.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug <ve6zh(at)oanet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: poop on structural and control cables? |
Just a note on cable,"aircraft cable", it will have a tiny fabric type
thread of one color or another woven in,read this in an Experimenter mag a
few years ago.Sure enough,the cable i bought,from AS&S had a yellow thread
in it.
More useless trivia to clog our heads.
Doug.....
> From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
> Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 8:51 AM
>
> For those Canadians on the list, you'll be happy to know that Canadian
> Tire carries the 7x19 1/8" control cable. It's actually labeled as
> "Aircraft Cable" and if you check the side of the spool, you will see the
> MS/AN number. It is exactly the same as what you will buy from AS&S but
is
> cheaper and can be had on a Saturday afternoon while rigging the ailerons
> and realizing that the cable you just cut is to $%&#* short. Not that
that
> happened to me last weekend ;-).
>
> Ken
>
> On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Michael D Cuy wrote:
>
> > >
> > > to all in the group,
> > > I have a question about cables..... the prints show some cables as
> > > different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA only
allows 1/8
> > > cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling ??? What
did you
> > > guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback.
> > > Walt
> >
> >
> > Walt- Opps, I followed the 3/32" diam. plans for the elevator and
rudder
> > cables and the FAA guy
> > didn't give me any trouble about that. It saves weight back there too
where
> > you don't need it anywho....
> > but the 1/8" do look more comforting :))
> >
> > Mike C.
> >
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Brusilow <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Stick to bell crank: 1/8, 7/19
aileron: 3/32, 7/19
all others: 3/32, 7/7
Controls: Elevator: 30 deg up & down with control stop.
cockpit bell crank from hitting ply floor.
So far, the above has worked for me.
Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Ragan <lragan(at)hotmail.com> |
Since it seems Wynne is back in business, I'm not going to circulate the
copy that I had. I don't feel it would be fair to him.
Larry Ragan
Jacksonville, Fl.
lragan(at)hotmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Any GN-1 buildes here? |
Steve wrote:
Hi Tom! Well so far I have orderd the plans and they havent gotten here
yet. Does it take much time? What kind of wood are you using. So far i
have decided to use dug fir or if I can find some I will use white pine.
What kind of engine are you gonna use. I am planning on using the Soob
EA-81 with redrive. I am planning on either using dacron (2.0 oz) or
liter hopefully. If you have some pixs online I would sure like to see
them. Send them/website to vistin(at)misnet.com. Looking forward to your
reply,OK!
Steve
>Steve
>I am building a GN-1 close to Tallahassee, Fl. Are you building one?
>Tom
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: poop on structural and control cables? |
Ken Beanlands wrote:
>
> For those Canadians on the list, you'll be happy to know that Canadian
> Tire carries the 7x19 1/8" control cable. It's actually labeled as
> "Aircraft Cable" and if you check the side of the spool, you will see the
> MS/AN number. It is exactly the same as what you will buy from AS&S but is
> cheaper and can be had on a Saturday afternoon while rigging the ailerons
> and realizing that the cable you just cut is to $%&#* short. Not that that
> happened to me last weekend ;-).
>
> Ken
Nudge, Grin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CALLAIR(at)cybersol.com (Carpenter, Joel) |
| Subject: | Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual |
I would like a copy also, I will be at Brodhead on Friday, Saturday, and
Sunday.
Joel C.
> From: M. E. Asher <mcash(at)silverstar.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Slick 4200/ 6200 series overhaul manual
> Date: Saturday, July 17, 1999 12:07 AM
>
>
>
> User554784(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> > To every one interested in a copy of the overhaul/maintenance manual
for the
> > slick 4200/6200 series magneto, I am more than happy to make copies for
> > whatever it costs. I can deliver copies to those who make it to Oshkosh
or
> > broadhead and can mail the rest. Just send an e-mail through this
discussion
> > group and I'll keep track. As far as scanning the manual to be posted
> > @aircamper.org I will not have the time 'til after the EAA convention.
> >
> > Look forward to meeting y'all.
>
> I would like one of these manuals please, let me know the cost and I
will send
> it by return mail. thank you M. E. Asher Po box 3407, Alpine, Wy.
83128
________________________________________________________________________________
Creech, Bill wrote:
>
> Dannymac,
>
> I received several responses to my question on control surface
> deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you
> all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What
> should the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and
> elevator? If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.
>
> Thanks for your response.
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dannymac [SMTP:dannymac@hal-pc.org]
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 8:23 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: pulleys
>
> Who used the same size control pulleys that Bernard calls for in
> the
> plans? After reading some of the parts catalogs and Tont B's book
> (yes,
> I received it Friday), I am afraid some of the FAA guys may not
> approve
> a 2" pulley in the aileron controls.
>
> Dannymac
Wow! Creech!
No. I really don't know the answer to that one yet, but you surely will
get a response, I just know it. (grinning again)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Never thought I'd wanna learn this. |
Who can tell-show-teach me what to use to design my own web-pages? I
have plenty of free space with my provider but have never used it. I'm
paid up for another year or two so, why not? I've been drawing on
computers for years........is it that simple? Thanks, everyone.
Dannymac
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dennis Sher <den(at)lucat.screaming.net> |
| Subject: | remove address!! |
I would appreciate it ,if you could please remove my address from your
list. I find the notes very interesting, but do not have the time to
plough through them.
Many thanks,
Dennis Sher.
I would appreciate it ,if you could
please remove
my address from your list.I find the notes very interesting, but
do not
have the time to plough through them.
Many thanks,
Dennis Sher.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dennis Sher <den(at)lucat.screaming.net> |
| Subject: | Unsubscribe Pietenpol Mailing List |
Original e-mail sent to Pietenpol at piet(at)byu.edu requesting removal of
address from list.
Thanks for your help,
D.Sher.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Never thought I'd wanna learn this. |
The easiest way to learn is to use the view source function of your web
browser. THat way, you can see the code for your favorite pages. Most of
the HTML (Hyper Text Markup Language) code is quite strait forward. ie
to turn on bold and to turn it off. Initially, you can use
web pages that you like to form a template for your own. Things like java
scripts are a little more advanced and the code is not as generally
available, but that is not required to put together a usable page.
To actually have the web pages available to the public, check with your
ISP as to how they have set up thier web server. One of the more common
methods is to use a directory in your home directory called public_html
with a file called something like welcome.html or index.html. the web site
would then be http://www.your_isp.com/~your_username
By all means, use myine as a template if you wish.
Hope this helps.
Ken
On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, dannymac wrote:
> Who can tell-show-teach me what to use to design my own web-pages? I
> have plenty of free space with my provider but have never used it. I'm
> paid up for another year or two so, why not? I've been drawing on
> computers for years........is it that simple? Thanks, everyone.
>
> Dannymac
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | aircamper.org going down for 1-2 hours |
www.AirCamper.org is going down for 1-2 hours for some routine file
Richard
===
"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how
in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
----------------------------------------------------------
My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | NicGiggle(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Never thought I'd wanna learn this. |
Could u please stop e-mailing me. I dont know who u are and I dont care. So
stop e-mailing me.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Copinfo <Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: poop on structural and control cables? |
The way I moved one wing back was to loosen the flying wires and pushed
the right cabanes back. The piece in front of the cabanes is adjustable
on mine. Then I retensioned the wires and flew it.
Are you stopping in Des Moines on your way to Oshkosh? Let me know when
so I can make sure I'm there to get you gas. I won't be making the trip
this year. It looks like I need to rebuild my mags or get another set.
Sunday, after about three hours of flying my engine quit and I had to
deadstick into a little parking lot. Nothing hurt on the plane but it
appears one mag is dead and the other quit for some reason. I'll have
it flying agian in a couple of weeks. I look forward to seeing you. If
you can't stop I'll see you at Broadhead.
Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com
Tim Cunningham
Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510
-----Original Message-----
From: steve(at)byu.edu
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 4:19 PM
Subject: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
Tim,
Congratulations on your first flights! I am curious as to what you
did to "pull" the right wing back a little to correct your left turning
tendency. What does that mean? I have had a simillar problem and I
just used the flying wires to tension the wing (twist) slightly to
achieve correct rigging. Look forward to seeing you on our trip....
Steve Eldredge
Steve(at)byu.edu
IT Services
Brigham Young University
-----Original Message-----
Behalf Of Copinfo
Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 2:49 PM
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Subject: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
I set my ailerons with 2 degrees down on both sides. The old
timers at my field said that looked right to them. It flew well, so, if
it's not right at least it is safe for me. I did have a heavy left wing
when I first flew and had to use a bunch of right aileron to keep it
level. I pulled the right wing back a little and left the left wing
where I set it. It really helped. I don't know if that's the way to do
it but it flys good now. On J-3 Cubs they adjust the wing with the rear
strut. I'm going to do some more research and see why. Good luck.
surface deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So,
knowing you all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again.
What should the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder
and elevator? If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.
cables?
7x19 stainless on the control system and will use 1/8" 1 or 7 x 19 on
the struts. I have my aileron cables totally outside the airplane. If I
used 1/8" for that, I wouldn't get off the ground. By outside I mean the
aileron cable runs along the outside top of the wing suspended by wooden
blocks along the way (per the plans).
bracing wires.
cables..... the prints show some cables as different sizing. What I
have learned now is that the FAA only allows 1/8 cable for all control
cables. What is the poop on cabling ??? What did you guys use??? Thanks
if you can give me some feedback. Walt
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Never thought I'd wanna learn this. |
NicGiggle(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> why are u sending me e-mails about stuff I do not care about? I have no idea
> who u are, and I would like it if u would stop sending me e-mails. I think u
> my have my e-mail address mixed up wit someone elses.
AOL should be against the law... sheez.
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: poop on structural and control cables? |
Tim, sorry to hear about your mag problem... Bummer. Duane and I are
planning a stop at your place. Probably our last stop on Saturday, (Got
camping?) or our first on Monday. Look forward to seeing you soon!
Steve Eldredge
Steve(at)byu.edu
IT Services
Brigham Young University
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 10:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
The way I moved one wing back was to loosen the flying wires and pushed the
right cabanes back. The piece in front of the cabanes is adjustable on
mine. Then I retensioned the wires and flew it.
Are you stopping in Des Moines on your way to Oshkosh? Let me know when so
I can make sure I'm there to get you gas. I won't be making the trip this
year. It looks like I need to rebuild my mags or get another set. Sunday,
after about three hours of flying my engine quit and I had to deadstick into
a little parking lot. Nothing hurt on the plane but it appears one mag is
dead and the other quit for some reason. I'll have it flying agian in a
couple of weeks. I look forward to seeing you. If you can't stop I'll see
you at Broadhead.
Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com
Tim Cunningham
Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510
-----Original Message-----
From: steve(at)byu.edu < steve(at)byu.edu>
Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 4:19 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
Tim,
Congratulations on your first flights! I am curious as to what you did to
"pull" the right wing back a little to correct your left turning tendency.
What does that mean? I have had a simillar problem and I just used the
flying wires to tension the wing (twist) slightly to achieve correct
rigging. Look forward to seeing you on our trip....
Steve Eldredge
Steve(at)byu.edu
IT Services
Brigham Young University
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 2:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
I set my ailerons with 2 degrees down on both sides. The old timers at my
field said that looked right to them. It flew well, so, if it's not right
at least it is safe for me. I did have a heavy left wing when I first flew
and had to use a bunch of right aileron to keep it level. I pulled the
right wing back a little and left the left wing where I set it. It really
helped. I don't know if that's the way to do it but it flys good now. On
J-3 Cubs they adjust the wing with the rear strut. I'm going to do some
more research and see why. Good luck.
-----Original Message-----
From: Creech, Bill < WACreech@PCD-EMH1.ARMY.MIL>
Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 10:19 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
Earl,
I received several responses to my question on control surface deflections.
But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you all have expertise
in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What should the control surface
deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator? If possible, the
number of degrees would be most helpful.
Thanks for your response.
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Earl Myers [SMTP:allaire(at)raex.com] |
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 1999 9:41 PM
| Subject: | Re: Re: poop on structural and control cables? |
I used 1/16" stainless 1x19 on the tail fittings, 3/32" 7x19 stainless on
the control system and will use 1/8" 1 or 7 x 19 on the struts. I have my
aileron cables totally outside the airplane. If I used 1/8" for that, I
wouldn't get off the ground. By outside I mean the aileron cable runs along
the outside top of the wing suspended by wooden blocks along the way (per
the plans).
Earl Myers
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: poop on structural and control cables? |
Walter,i used 7/19 galv.on controls,and 1/19 galv.on bracing wires.
Doug
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans < wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net < |
| Subject: | poop on structural and control cables? |
to all in the group, I have a question about cables..... the prints show
some cables as different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA
only allows 1/8 cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling
??? What did you guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback. Walt
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Never thought I'd wanna learn this. |
NicGiggle(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Could u please stop e-mailing me. I dont know who u are and I dont care. So
> stop e-mailing me.
Dear I know who you are,
Did you check out any airplane sites lately? Go back and unsubscribe
yourself.
I know who I am, Dannymac
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Replicraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Never thought I'd wanna learn this. |
Dan-
I have used the COREL WEBMASTER program to do our
Replicraft site. There were a
few things it does not go into very well that you NEED to know at the start,
like what kinds of folders you need and what to call them, but after that, it
is a great program. I have found it simple to use and FTP to our site. Your
provider can help a lot in the initial set-up.
I chose the Corel over others such as Front Page, mainly due to the
animations and gifs included with the program.
You can download web programs off the net such as Hot Dog or Hot Metal,
but they lack the tutorials thet are REAL nice to have. Unless you know a lot
about programming, they'll be almost useless.
Good Luck!
Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Craig L.Hanson" <chanson(at)polar.polarcomm.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Never thought I'd wanna learn this. |
Dan, I did a web page with Microsofts "Front Page 98". It is a step by
step program that will do all the hard work for you.
Craig Hanson
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 12:15 AM
| Subject: | Never thought I'd wanna learn this. |
> Who can tell-show-teach me what to use to design my own web-pages? I
> have plenty of free space with my provider but have never used it. I'm
> paid up for another year or two so, why not? I've been drawing on
> computers for years........is it that simple? Thanks, everyone.
>
> Dannymac
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: HOW TO Unsubscribe (save this one) |
-----Original Message-----
From: steve(at)byu.edu
Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 10:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: HOW TO Unsubscribe (save this one)
>
>Go to www.aircamper.org
>
>Choose the mailing list tab
>
>replace the "your email here" with your email address that you wish to
>unsubscribe
>
>from the pull down arrow choose "unsubscribe"
>
>click on the "go" button.
>
>Your request will be processed.
>
>let me know if you have problems...
>
>Steve Eldredge
>IT Services
>Brigham Young University
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Neal <llneal(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Never thought I'd wanna learn this. |
Hey Folks...
This could be either a hapless accidental (en)listee, or a troll.
Let's give NicGiggle a chance to get off the list and don't add 100LL to the fire.
LLN
Patrick Panzera wrote:
> NicGiggle(at)aol.com wrote:
> >
> > why are u sending me e-mails about stuff I do not care about? I have no idea
> > who u are, and I would like it if u would stop sending me e-mails. I think
u
> > my have my e-mail address mixed up wit someone elses.
>
> AOL should be against the law... sheez.
>
> Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Fwd: Pietenpol gathering at Hartford |
This very nice gentleman writes below of his offer of
assistance to any of the group gathering at Hartford
next Tuesday, the 27th.
MC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
Group- As you have probably already heard via the newsletter,
Grant MacLaren will no longer be editing, publishing, or sending the
newsletter that he has so graciously been doing for the past TEN YEARS.
(the web page lives though, thankfully) No one has stepped forward as
of yet to carry on this task, but as a sign of our appreciation for the
tireless efforts he has invested to this point I have had a plaque made up
for him with a Piet at the top and some words of thanks below.
This plaque will be presented to Grant (if time permits) after his
Theater in the Woods presentation by either the MC of events from EAA
or one of us. Grant is NOT aware of this so please do not mention it to
him before hand. He's not the kind of guy that likes much fanfare about
himself so I just assume we surprise him. The plaque reads " Buckeye
Pietenpol Association Member and Friends". If you want to see the whole
thing I can privately e-mail you the Word document I have.
Fortunately my girlfriend knows of a Christian family run trophy shop here
in Cleveland that just does outstanding work for about one-third the cost
of any other place in the area, so make sure that if you get at chance take
a look at that thing- I think it will do Grant justice.
Mike Cuy
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Thanks Greg. re:unsub instructions. |
I have had about 20 requests lately. I wish people would take note. It
saves me lots of work.
Steve Eldredge
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | fishin <fishin(at)wwa.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Grant MacLaren |
sounds like an awful nice recognition of the time and effort put forth by Grant
over the years..I'd like to see the entire inscription and if I can in any way
help offset the cost with a donation, I'll be happy to...
hope to say hi at the wednesday grand arrival at oshkosh...
regards
JoeC
Zion, Illinois
Michael D Cuy wrote:
> Group- As you have probably already heard via the newsletter,
> Grant MacLaren will no longer be editing, publishing, or sending the
> newsletter that he has so graciously been doing for the past TEN YEARS.
> (the web page lives though, thankfully) No one has stepped forward as
> of yet to carry on this task, but as a sign of our appreciation for the
> tireless efforts he has invested to this point I have had a plaque made up
> for him with a Piet at the top and some words of thanks below.
> This plaque will be presented to Grant (if time permits) after his
> Theater in the Woods presentation by either the MC of events from EAA
> or one of us. Grant is NOT aware of this so please do not mention it to
> him before hand. He's not the kind of guy that likes much fanfare about
> himself so I just assume we surprise him. The plaque reads " Buckeye
> Pietenpol Association Member and Friends". If you want to see the whole
> thing I can privately e-mail you the Word document I have.
> Fortunately my girlfriend knows of a Christian family run trophy shop here
> in Cleveland that just does outstanding work for about one-third the cost
> of any other place in the area, so make sure that if you get at chance take
> a look at that thing- I think it will do Grant justice.
>
> Mike Cuy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John R Bayer <jrbayer2(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Grant MacLaren |
Great job, Michael.
Thanks from all of us.
John B.
writes:
>Group- As you have probably already heard via the newsletter,
>Grant MacLaren will no longer be editing, publishing, or sending the
>newsletter that he has so graciously been doing for the past TEN
>YEARS.
>(the web page lives though, thankfully) No one has stepped forward
>as
>of yet to carry on this task, but as a sign of our appreciation for
>the
>tireless efforts he has invested to this point I have had a plaque
>made up
>for him with a Piet at the top and some words of thanks below.
>This plaque will be presented to Grant (if time permits) after his
>Theater in the Woods presentation by either the MC of events from EAA
>or one of us. Grant is NOT aware of this so please do not mention it
>to
>him before hand. He's not the kind of guy that likes much fanfare
>about
>himself so I just assume we surprise him. The plaque reads "
>Buckeye
>Pietenpol Association Member and Friends". If you want to see the
>whole
>thing I can privately e-mail you the Word document I have.
>Fortunately my girlfriend knows of a Christian family run trophy shop
>here
>in Cleveland that just does outstanding work for about one-third the
>cost
>of any other place in the area, so make sure that if you get at chance
>take
>a look at that thing- I think it will do Grant justice.
>
>Mike Cuy
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John R Bayer <jrbayer2(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Pietenpol gathering at Hartford |
Nicest Ultralight "Piet" that I've ever seen. Great job!
writes:
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Grant MacLaren |
Me too Iron,.....anybody know when the last printed issue will be?
Earl Myers
Note: I will be at the Hartford airport about 4pm or so if anyone needs
ground transportation. I will be staying at the AmericInn there in Hartford.
I will be driving a Chrysler Sebring, gold in color with OHIO plates-KATS
RX. , fiesty wife included!
Understand that Iron Mike Cuy will be the Flight Leader for the Ohio Wing of
Pietenpols, a flight of 4 or 5. I heard he was going to have big flourescent
yellow stripes painted on top of his wings in a chevron ala 30's fighters
squadrons. This flight will include Iron Mike the Flight Leader, Frank
Pavliga, Will Graff & the infamous Andrew of Bald Eagle Aviation
fame.....what a cast of characters! I also heard that someone will be above
them in a 180 with a GPS acting as Air Boss so they don't get lost this
time............
-----Original Message-----
From: fishin <fishin(at)wwa.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 10:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Grant MacLaren
>sounds like an awful nice recognition of the time and effort put forth by
Grant
>over the years..I'd like to see the entire inscription and if I can in any
way
>help offset the cost with a donation, I'll be happy to...
>hope to say hi at the wednesday grand arrival at oshkosh...
>regards
>JoeC
>Zion, Illinois
>
>Michael D Cuy wrote:
>
>> Group- As you have probably already heard via the newsletter,
>> Grant MacLaren will no longer be editing, publishing, or sending the
>> newsletter that he has so graciously been doing for the past TEN YEARS.
>> (the web page lives though, thankfully) No one has stepped forward as
>> of yet to carry on this task, but as a sign of our appreciation for the
>> tireless efforts he has invested to this point I have had a plaque made
up
>> for him with a Piet at the top and some words of thanks below.
>> This plaque will be presented to Grant (if time permits) after his
>> Theater in the Woods presentation by either the MC of events from EAA
>> or one of us. Grant is NOT aware of this so please do not mention it to
>> him before hand. He's not the kind of guy that likes much fanfare about
>> himself so I just assume we surprise him. The plaque reads " Buckeye
>> Pietenpol Association Member and Friends". If you want to see the whole
>> thing I can privately e-mail you the Word document I have.
>> Fortunately my girlfriend knows of a Christian family run trophy shop
here
>> in Cleveland that just does outstanding work for about one-third the cost
>> of any other place in the area, so make sure that if you get at chance
take
>> a look at that thing- I think it will do Grant justice.
>>
>> Mike Cuy
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
Grant has informed me that the April newsletter just went into
the mail yesterday or day before. He unfortunately has been swamped
with a fairly major renovation/expansion of his home near St. Louis so
has been eyeball deep in drawings, contractors, construction, etc.
He says he'll try to crank out the remaining couple due by Jan 1, 2000
when he gives up the helm as editor and publisher.
Mike C.
Grant has informed me that the April newsletter
just went into
the mail yesterday or day before. He unfortunately has been
swamped
with a fairly major renovation/expansion of his home near St. Louis
so
has been eyeball deep in drawings, contractors, construction, etc.
He says he'll try to crank out the remaining couple due by Jan 1,
2000
when he gives up the helm as editor and publisher.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Grant MacLaren |
>
>Understand that Iron Mike Cuy will be the Flight Leader for the Ohio Wing of
>Pietenpols, a flight of 4 or 5. I heard he was going to have big flourescent
>yellow stripes painted on top of his wings in a chevron ala 30's fighters
>squadrons. This flight will include Iron Mike the Flight Leader, Frank
>Pavliga, Will Graff & the infamous Andrew of Bald Eagle Aviation
>fame.....what a cast of characters! I also heard that someone will be above
>them in a 180 with a GPS acting as Air Boss so they don't get lost this
>time............
Dear Fellow Pietenpolers.......the author of the above paragraph is one to
behold in person to really appreciate. He himself on varioius E-mails to
me claimed a new name: THE GREAT TAILWIND !! (draw your own conclusions on
this one !)
He's a great guy and his wife is super. Be sure and look for the guy who
looks mean, but isn't,
who if given a helmet and goggles would look like some pilot right out of
the Great Waldo Pepper.
Understand that Iron Mike Cuy will be the Flight Leader for the Ohio
Wing of
Pietenpols, a flight of 4 or 5. I heard he was going to have big
flourescent
yellow stripes painted on top of his wings in a chevron ala 30's
fighters
squadrons. This flight will include Iron Mike the Flight Leader,
Frank
Pavliga, Will Graff the infamous Andrew of Bald Eagle
Aviation
fame.....what a cast of characters! I also heard that someone will be
above
them in a 180 with a GPS acting as Air Boss so they don't get
lost this
time............
Dear Fellow Pietenpolers.......the author of the above paragraph is
one to
behold in person to really appreciate. He himself on varioius
E-mails to
me claimed a new name: THE GREAT TAILWIND !! (draw your own
conclusions on this one !)
He's a great guy and his wife is super. Be sure and look for the
guy who looks mean, but isn't,
who if given a helmet and goggles would look like some pilot right out
of
the Great Waldo Pepper.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
| Subject: | Re: Grant MacLaren |
Very Good Idea, Mike
Grant has done a lot to assist us in our hobby and he certianly deserves the
recognition.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov>
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 7:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Grant MacLaren
>This plaque will be presented to Grant (if time permits) after his
>Theater in the Woods presentation by either the MC of events from EAA
>or one of us.
Perhaps Brodhead would also be an acceptable presentation forum for Grant's
Award.
Grant is NOT aware of this so please do not mention it to
>him before hand. He's not the kind of guy that likes much fanfare about
>himself so I just assume we surprise him. The plaque reads " Buckeye
>Pietenpol Association Member and Friends". If you want to see the whole
>thing I can privately e-mail you the Word document I have.
>Fortunately my girlfriend knows of a Christian family run trophy shop here
>in Cleveland that just does outstanding work for about one-third the cost
>of any other place in the area, so make sure that if you get at chance take
>a look at that thing- I think it will do Grant justice.
>
>Mike Cuy
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: news flash: William Wynne among the living! |
Does anyone who has the new manual have a phone number or has anyone tried to
contact him? I would like the new version, I have the original one.
William Koucky
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ted Brousseau <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 12 V DC Fuel Transfer Pump |
Bert,
What is your phone number in case the wind blows me that far west. I will
be flying by on Saturday and returning 2 Saturdays later.
Ted
>Ted Brousseau wrote:
>>
>> Bert,
>>
>> How did the sale go? I was off the net for a couple of days and didn't get
>> to check.
>>
>> Where do lyou fly out of? I fly into TLH but see that there is another
>> field just north. Know anything about that one?
>>
>> Ted
>> Naples
>> >
>Hi Ted,
>It didnt go so great. I think we had it priced too high. My friend
>says re-list it at 100.00. That should probably be about right so I'll
>put it back on E-Bay again.
>
>I used to fly out of Bainbridge, GA. When I had my C-150 I kept it
>there at the ramp for NO FEE. Right now I'm flyin out of my garage :)\
>Yeah, there's a small strip North of TLH - its a private airport, paved
>about 2000 feet long? They have some un-occupied open T-hangers for
>overnighters. Not much traffic - I don't know a thing about it.
>\
>
>Are you gonna make Broadhead? What route will you fly and when? If
>you need to stop over in the TLH area let me know, we can help you find
>a place to crash - OOOOHHH !!! Sorry bad choice of words.
>
>I sure Wish I was headed that way- maybe next year.
>
>Send me a pic of you plane (.jpg) and I'll put it on the website. Got
>about 10 GN builders now! Thats 10 more than I knew existed last month.
>No kidding , let me know if you need to stop over - we've got lots of
>room (big house) and my wife and I go by Tallahassee Commercial every
>single day on our commute (we can drop you off to be on your way). If
>you can stand three teenagers, two dogs, three cats, and an iguana,
>you're in.
>
>Later,
>Bert
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: DFLY: Re: corvaircraft: William Wynne lives! |
dragonlist(at)interstice.com
Dave Morris wrote:
>
> >Ditto! Not only did I get William's book in the mail today, I also
> >got the "How to keep your Corvair alive" from Amazon.com.
> >
> >Both of these books are great!
> >
> >Pat
>
> I just got a voice mail from William. So he IS actually alive and kicking,
> and apparently publishing updates to the book. That's nice to hear!
I got a call from him this evening. He asked me to pass along to
all concerned individuals that although he's undergoing his 3rd
move in as many months, he's "not in it for the money" and
really wants to be there for any assistance.
One note, although I sent him my money a few months back, he's
not yet cashed my check... at least as of my last statement.
If you were considering purchasing his manual, do so. Also
there was a request on one of the e-mail lists for his phone
number. here it is: 904-451-3676
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ted Brousseau <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Grant MacLaren |
Mike,
Nice thought, but how are you going to get it to OSH??? There can't be any
room left in the Piet...
See ya there.
Ted
>I have had a plaque made up
>for him with a Piet at the top and some words of thanks below.
>This plaque will be presented to Grant (if time permits) after his
>Theater in the Woods presentation by either the MC of events from EAA
>or one of us.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
to try to get to Oshkosh and Brodhead !!
SEE below note:
>Hi:
>Just a note to let you know that Irving Sloan and I will be flying in to
>Oshkosh in Air Camper C-GFCU from the EAA chapter in Ottawa, Ontario.
>Weather permitting, we should arrive Tuesday afternoon July 27. See you
>there!
>
>Don Taylor
>taylord(at)navcanada.ca
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
>Mike,
>
>Nice thought, but how are you going to get it to OSH??? There can't be any
>room left in the Piet...
>
>See ya there.
>
>Ted
Ted !!! Well after last year I learned a few things about packing the
Pietenpol. Last year I took every pair of shorts, socks, and a spare
kitchen sink I owned.....but this year I'll actually have room for me !
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
Duane and I are loading up our planes tonight at seven. We will be leaving
Utah valley at 6am tomorrow morning. I am so excited! For those who are
making the trip virtually, keep checking the list for our posts. I will be
reading the email and passing the computer around. Follow our progress at:
http:\\steve.byu.edu\
this is going to be great!
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | fishin <fishin(at)wwa.com> |
Good luck and Godspeed
JoeC
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> Duane and I are loading up our planes tonight at seven. We will be leaving
> Utah valley at 6am tomorrow morning. I am so excited! For those who are
> making the trip virtually, keep checking the list for our posts. I will be
> reading the email and passing the computer around. Follow our progress at:
>
> http:\\steve.byu.edu\
>
> this is going to be great!
>
> Steve Eldredge
> IT Services
> Brigham Young University
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | fishin <fishin(at)wwa.com> |
(correction caught me short) Good luck and Godspeed to all you making this
envious flight
JoeC
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
> Duane and I are loading up our planes tonight at seven. We will be leaving
> Utah valley at 6am tomorrow morning. I am so excited! For those who are
> making the trip virtually, keep checking the list for our posts. I will be
> reading the email and passing the computer around. Follow our progress at:
>
> http:\\steve.byu.edu\
>
> this is going to be great!
>
> Steve Eldredge
> IT Services
> Brigham Young University
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
| Subject: | Re: Never thought I'd wanna learn this. |
>Could u please stop e-mailing me. I dont know who u are and I dont care. So
>stop e-mailing me.
>
>
Uhhhh??????? :-) :-) :-)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <duprey(at)excite.com> |
To Steve, Duane, and everyone else Flying to OSH and B-head. have a great
trip.
> Duane and I are loading up our planes tonight at seven. We will be
leaving
> Utah valley at 6am tomorrow morning. I am so excited! For those who are
> making the trip virtually, keep checking the list for our posts. I will
be
> reading the email and passing the computer around. Follow our progress
at:
>
> http:\\steve.byu.edu\
>
> this is going to be great!
>
> Steve Eldredge
> IT Services
> Brigham Young University
"the Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Randall Reihing <rreihing(at)eng.utoledo.edu> |
I would appreciate a 4200 manual or copy thereof and will gladly pay
copying, and postage. I am trying to make Brodhead but may not be able to.
Hope tohear from you. Thanks.
Randall Reihing
P.O. Box 2458
Whitehouse, Ohio 43571
Randall Reihing
University of Toledo
College of Engineering
MIME Department
419-530-8244
FAX: 419-530-8206
E-Mail: rreihing(at)eng.utoledo.edu
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ted Brousseau <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
Steve,
I am glad YOU are all packed. I tried this evening and am now at home
trying to decide whether to bring the sunglasses or the flashlight. Not
enough room!!! One of them has to stay behind.....
I leave early afternoon tomorrow (if the heavens don't open up again like
they did this afternoon).
See ya there. Have a great trip.
Ted
Naples, Florida
>Duane and I are loading up our planes tonight at seven. We will be leaving
>Utah valley at 6am tomorrow morning. I am so excited! For those who are
>making the trip virtually, keep checking the list for our posts. I will be
>reading the email and passing the computer around. Follow our progress at:
>
>http:\\steve.byu.edu\
>
>this is going to be great!
>
>Steve Eldredge
>IT Services
>Brigham Young University
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bert & Nancy Conoly |
Hey Guys:
All of you heading out to Broadhead......
Have a GREAT trip!
Remember!,
you are among a small minority that can do what you do. Flying is a gift
from above - only the smart, capable, fortunate, in society get to enjoy the
rewards of flying. Go on and have FUNNNNN! But be careful - this last week
has shown us how fragile life is and how demanding flying is. One lapse of
concentration or judgement can get ya.
Be Safe! Fly well. And toast one for us earth bound wannabees when you get
there
Bert
bwm(at)Planttel.net.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Brousseau <nfn00979(at)naples.net>
Date: Thursday, July 22, 1999 9:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: All packed.
>Steve,
>
>I am glad YOU are all packed. I tried this evening and am now at home
>trying to decide whether to bring the sunglasses or the flashlight. Not
>enough room!!! One of them has to stay behind.....
>
>I leave early afternoon tomorrow (if the heavens don't open up again like
>they did this afternoon).
>
>See ya there. Have a great trip.
>
>Ted
>Naples, Florida
>
>>Duane and I are loading up our planes tonight at seven. We will be
leaving
>>Utah valley at 6am tomorrow morning. I am so excited! For those who are
>>making the trip virtually, keep checking the list for our posts. I will
be
>>reading the email and passing the computer around. Follow our progress
at:
>>
>>http:\\steve.byu.edu\
>>
>>this is going to be great!
>>
>>Steve Eldredge
>>IT Services
>>Brigham Young University
>>
>>
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Dear Flyers,
Do have great fun being safe enroute to the meetings and show. Take
plenty of photos to share with us when you return. That's photos of
people too, not just planes, guys........and close-ups! Wish I was
there. Maybe next year.
Dannymac
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
Have a safe trip guys. I regret to come to the decision not to go this year.
I still would like to meet you all and see your handy work.
The consolation prize is that I spent today preparing Our Commonwealth Air
Training Plan Museum's 1940 Dh 82a Tiger Moth for an outing to the Austin
Thresherman's Reunion. It is fun taking care of the old Moth. For the next
two days, I also get the job of strapping joyriders in and flipping the
prop. It is kinda wierd to watch the plane climbing out of the circuit
knowing that just moments before you held its prop in your fingertips.
Its enjoyable to see the expressions and excitement on peoples faces when
they get back from their flight.
I get the last flip of the day and really enjoy the greens and golden
yellow of the late evening. It could only look better from my own Piet. :-)
Keep it safe guys and I'm looking forward to your progress reports.
John Mc
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com> |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Ragan <lragan(at)hotmail.com> |
You guys are killing me! I'm not envious, I'm not envious, I'm not envious.
Damn, didn't work. O.K. would you believe Brodhead has been cancelled and
moved to Jacksonville, Fl?
All right, all right, those of you who're are going, please fly safely. We
need you back here to keep leading the way.
God speed.
Larry Ragan
>From: steve(at)byu.edu
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: All packed.
>Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:20:49 -0600
>
>Duane and I are loading up our planes tonight at seven. We will be leaving
>Utah valley at 6am tomorrow morning. I am so excited! For those who are
>making the trip virtually, keep checking the list for our posts. I will be
>reading the email and passing the computer around. Follow our progress at:
>
>http:\\steve.byu.edu\
>
>this is going to be great!
>
>Steve Eldredge
>IT Services
>Brigham Young University
>
________________________________________________________________________________
A safe and enjoyable trip to all thanx in advance for your posts! What a
great bunch of guys- awesome.
Brian Sanders
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov>
Date: Thursday, July 22, 1999 9:19 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Packing
>>Mike,
>>
>>Nice thought, but how are you going to get it to OSH??? There can't be
any
>>room left in the Piet...
>>
>>See ya there.
>>
>>Ted
>
>Ted !!! Well after last year I learned a few things about packing the
>Pietenpol. Last year I took every pair of shorts, socks, and a spare
>kitchen sink I owned.....but this year I'll actually have room for me !
>Mike C.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | User554784(at)aol.com |
To Randall and everyone that has asked for the magneto manual:
I will make up a bunch of copies for those who will be attending the
conventions first. Afterward I will ship copies to all other requestors.
I've been away for the past two weeks so I better get my tailwheel to Kinko's
today! I'll let everyone know the cost soon.
Phil C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Patcoolnet(at)aol.com |
Thanks in advance--I will send you money as soon as you let me know how much
and how you want it handled--Frank Cooley
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Our progress so far... |
Duane and I are in Des Moines Iowa at the moment. Our ground crew is
Lars Woolsey (Duanes Dad, and Stan Cottam). Being the Lords day we are
resting. (not to mention we are about dead after 14 hours of flying).
Tim Cunningham is our gracious host. (Thanks Tim!!!) We are having a
blast even if our butts hurt like ...... Actually were doing fine.
We have come more than 1000 miles. The weather has been terrific, but
hot. I forgot what humidity feels like. Oh how I miss dry air. We
will be in Brodhead tomorrow. Anyone know if we can get gas there? See
you all soon!
Full details of our trip thusfar will be on my website as soon as I can
get it back up. Richard, if you are still out there, send me my
cradentials and an IP address and I will post them to aircamper.org. if
not I'll upload tomorrow.
Steve Eldredge (Stevee)
and
Duane Woolsey
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Our progress so far... |
> Duane and I are in Des Moines Iowa at the moment.
> Steve Eldredge (Stevee)
> Duane Woolsey
Dry air!......What's that?
Thanks for the update Stevee. You two don't push yourselves too hard
but enjoy every minute of it. Man, That's gotta be exciting! Post when
you can.
Dannymac
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Copinfo <Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Our progress so far... |
I hope Steve and Duane make it to Broadhead without getting too wet. I
can't believe they left Des Moines so early today and towards more rain.
Everyone at the Northfield Flying Club loved the Piet's. Any of the rest of
you want to stop by just let me know. Hopefully my new mags will come today
and I can get mine going. Dead sticking is not my idea of a fun day flying.
Good luck to all you guys flying out there.
Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com
Tim Cunningham Pietenpol NX899TC
Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510
-----Original Message-----
From: dannymac <dannymac@hal-pc.org>
Date: Monday, July 26, 1999 8:33 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Our progress so far...
>> Duane and I are in Des Moines Iowa at the moment.
>
>> Steve Eldredge (Stevee)
>> Duane Woolsey
>
>Dry air!......What's that?
>
> Thanks for the update Stevee. You two don't push yourselves too hard
>but enjoy every minute of it. Man, That's gotta be exciting! Post when
>you can.
>
>Dannymac
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Randall Reihing <rreihing(at)eng.utoledo.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Our progress so far... |
The last time I was at Brodhead they has gas on the field.
>Duane and I are in Des Moines Iowa at the moment. Our ground crew is
>Lars Woolsey (Duanes Dad, and Stan Cottam). Being the Lords day we are
>resting. (not to mention we are about dead after 14 hours of flying).
>Tim Cunningham is our gracious host. (Thanks Tim!!!) We are having a
>blast even if our butts hurt like ...... Actually were doing fine.
>We have come more than 1000 miles. The weather has been terrific, but
>hot. I forgot what humidity feels like. Oh how I miss dry air. We
>will be in Brodhead tomorrow. Anyone know if we can get gas there? See
>you all soon!
>
>Full details of our trip thusfar will be on my website as soon as I can
>get it back up. Richard, if you are still out there, send me my
>cradentials and an IP address and I will post them to aircamper.org. if
>not I'll upload tomorrow.
>
>Steve Eldredge (Stevee)
>and
>Duane Woolsey
>
>
Randall Reihing
University of Toledo
College of Engineering
MIME Department
419-530-8244
FAX: 419-530-8206
E-Mail: rreihing(at)eng.utoledo.edu
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | well, that does it |
I just saw my life flash before my eyes... I was sanding one of the
cross pieces on the floor of my Piet, which was glued into place, I
thought, and the blasted thing CAME OFF!!! This is a piece that I had
glued in and considered done!! Holy *&%$!! How can I possibly get in
this thing and fly it?? Granted there were no gussets on it yet, but
holy &%$!!
How can I ever be sure of any of the 100's of other joints I've already
done?? I've had my share of setbacks in this project, but this takes
the cake...
Where's that Aircraft Shopper mag I had the other day...
===
"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how
in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
----------------------------------------------------------
My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Adolfo Pando <fitopando(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Autogyros & UL&X |
Dear everyone:
Could anyone please remind me the address of the autogyros' page? I
mean, the one that was within AirCamper.org, I seem to remember.
I had it in my favourites, but after my last computer catastrophe it
must have gone lost into cyberspace.
By the way, I am about to set up a website called UL&X (for ultralight
and experimental). There is an amazing magazine in Argentina called
that, and the page would be, in principle, named after that. The mag is
out of this world. I mean, it doesn't just have reports on aircrafts
you are never going to be able to afford, but it is a sort of a
building manual, but techniques, alternative materials, etc., like a
kind of mixture between a mag and a FAA's C.A.. Apart from that, I have
been arranging with the editor to print a version in English. In the
website there would be a lot of building tips, sights, reports, etc,
and also a section of plans. We are planning to publish plans of the
Bleriot there, as well as other pioneer planes, again with tons of
building tips and the like.
Would that be of interest to you all?
Fito
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Replicraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | well, that does it |
Rich
If the piece you are talking about was ONLY glued on the END grain, I really
would not expect there to be much strength....if any. All the strength comes
from the glue seeping into the grain and adhering to the fibers which run
lengthwise.
To be sure, make up a test joint properly glued and gusseted. When it does
not come apart, you'll sleep better!
Best of luck!
Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: well, that does it |
Richard,
Which piece was it? When you said cross piece, I figure that the floor
isn't glued yet. I found that when you pull the rear of the fuselage
together, it pivots at a point near the rear seat. tries to pull everything
forward of it and aft of it apart. Once complete, it should be OK.
What glue are you using? I'm using T-88. and follow their tips by adding
glue to the end grains first, to give them a few extra seconds to soak in
the soaking in is the strength) and not to draw the glue away from the
final joint. Always check for a small fillet of glue around the joint the
next day, to get the feel of the right amount.
Which piece was it?
walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard DeCosta
Date: Monday, July 26, 1999 5:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: well, that does it
>I just saw my life flash before my eyes... I was sanding one of the
>cross pieces on the floor of my Piet, which was glued into place, I
>thought, and the blasted thing CAME OFF!!! This is a piece that I had
>glued in and considered done!! Holy *&%$!! How can I possibly get in
>this thing and fly it?? Granted there were no gussets on it yet, but
>holy &%$!!
>
>How can I ever be sure of any of the 100's of other joints I've already
>done?? I've had my share of setbacks in this project, but this takes
>the cake...
>
>Where's that Aircraft Shopper mag I had the other day...
>
>===
>"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just
how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
>----------------------------------------------------------
>http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
>----------------------------------------------------------
>My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
| Subject: | Re: well, that does it |
Ooops! Did you sand the ends of the cross pieces? I haven't had any of mine
come off. I have been told that you should always use fresh cuts and never
sand the ends before glueing. The gussets add most of the strength. End
grain glue joints don't have much strength and therefore the reason scharfe
joints are used.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard DeCosta
Date: Monday, July 26, 1999 3:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: well, that does it
>I just saw my life flash before my eyes... I was sanding one of the
>cross pieces on the floor of my Piet, which was glued into place, I
>thought, and the blasted thing CAME OFF!!! This is a piece that I had
>glued in and considered done!! Holy *&%$!! How can I possibly get in
>this thing and fly it?? Granted there were no gussets on it yet, but
>holy &%$!!
>
>How can I ever be sure of any of the 100's of other joints I've already
>done?? I've had my share of setbacks in this project, but this takes
>the cake...
>
>Where's that Aircraft Shopper mag I had the other day...
>
>===
>"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just
how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
>----------------------------------------------------------
>http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
>----------------------------------------------------------
>My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Autogyros & UL&X |
http://www.aircamper.org/autogyro/
--- Adolfo Pando wrote:
> Dear everyone:
>
> Could anyone please remind me the address of the autogyros' page? I
> mean, the one that was within AirCamper.org, I seem to remember.
>
> I had it in my favourites, but after my last computer catastrophe it
> must have gone lost into cyberspace.
>
> By the way, I am about to set up a website called UL&X (for
> ultralight
> and experimental). There is an amazing magazine in Argentina called
> that, and the page would be, in principle, named after that. The mag
> is
> out of this world. I mean, it doesn't just have reports on aircrafts
> you are never going to be able to afford, but it is a sort of a
> building manual, but techniques, alternative materials, etc., like a
> kind of mixture between a mag and a FAA's C.A.. Apart from that, I
> have
> been arranging with the editor to print a version in English. In the
> website there would be a lot of building tips, sights, reports, etc,
> and also a section of plans. We are planning to publish plans of the
> Bleriot there, as well as other pioneer planes, again with tons of
> building tips and the like.
> Would that be of interest to you all?
>
> Fito
>
>
>
===
http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fw: well, that does it |
It was a cross piece directly under the front of the rear seat. Thats
what freaked me out most. I'm still kicking myself for the 2-piece
floor.
--- walter evans wrote:
> Richard,
> Which piece was it? When you said cross piece, I figure that the
> floor
> isn't glued yet. I found that when you pull the rear of the fuselage
> together, it pivots at a point near the rear seat. tries to pull
> everything
> forward of it and aft of it apart. Once complete, it should be OK.
> What glue are you using? I'm using T-88. and follow their tips by
> adding
> glue to the end grains first, to give them a few extra seconds to
> soak in
> the soaking in is the strength) and not to draw the glue away from
> the
> final joint. Always check for a small fillet of glue around the
> joint the
> next day, to get the feel of the right amount.
> Which piece was it?
> walt
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard DeCosta
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Monday, July 26, 1999 5:59 PM
> Subject: well, that does it
>
>
> >I just saw my life flash before my eyes... I was sanding one of the
> >cross pieces on the floor of my Piet, which was glued into place, I
> >thought, and the blasted thing CAME OFF!!! This is a piece that I
> had
> >glued in and considered done!! Holy *&%$!! How can I possibly get
> in
> >this thing and fly it?? Granted there were no gussets on it yet, but
> >holy &%$!!
> >
> >How can I ever be sure of any of the 100's of other joints I've
> already
> >done?? I've had my share of setbacks in this project, but this takes
> >the cake...
> >
> >Where's that Aircraft Shopper mag I had the other day...
> >
> >===
> >"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to
> fly? Just
> how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
> >----------------------------------------------------------
> >http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
> >----------------------------------------------------------
> >My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
> >
> >
>
>
===
http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
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| From: | Bert & Nancy Conoly |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: well, that does it |
Richard,
Relax-
Thats not uncommon - a glued butt-joint stinks. I've had them break off ,
too. Check out Tony Bingelis' book (cant remember the name but will get you
page number - hell, I'll fax you the page) The main point is to hold it in
place until you can get the gussetts (ie; floor board and sides) in place.
A two-piece floor is not the end of the world. If you will feel more
confident , do like one person suggested, put a six inch gussett (3/32) over
the lap joint, glue it heavily, and I bet it will do just fine. I did
EXACTLY that. The main function of that floor board is to prevent
"parallellogramming" or the tendency to flex the fuselage sideways -
creating a parrellellogram (hence the name). You should be just fine like
you are.
I'm not a aerospace engineer- I just slept at a Motel 6 :>)
trust your gut. You will have a fine airplane - based on the level of
scrutiny youve already shown.
Bert
bwm(at)planttel.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard DeCosta
Date: Monday, July 26, 1999 9:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fw: well, that does it
>It was a cross piece directly under the front of the rear seat. Thats
>what freaked me out most. I'm still kicking myself for the 2-piece
>floor.
>
>--- walter evans wrote:
>> Richard,
>> Which piece was it? When you said cross piece, I figure that the
>> floor
>> isn't glued yet. I found that when you pull the rear of the fuselage
>> together, it pivots at a point near the rear seat. tries to pull
>> everything
>> forward of it and aft of it apart. Once complete, it should be OK.
>> What glue are you using? I'm using T-88. and follow their tips by
>> adding
>> glue to the end grains first, to give them a few extra seconds to
>> soak in
>> the soaking in is the strength) and not to draw the glue away from
>> the
>> final joint. Always check for a small fillet of glue around the
>> joint the
>> next day, to get the feel of the right amount.
>> Which piece was it?
>> walt
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Richard DeCosta
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Date: Monday, July 26, 1999 5:59 PM
>> Subject: well, that does it
>>
>>
>> >I just saw my life flash before my eyes... I was sanding one of the
>> >cross pieces on the floor of my Piet, which was glued into place, I
>> >thought, and the blasted thing CAME OFF!!! This is a piece that I
>> had
>> >glued in and considered done!! Holy *&%$!! How can I possibly get
>> in
>> >this thing and fly it?? Granted there were no gussets on it yet, but
>> >holy &%$!!
>> >
>> >How can I ever be sure of any of the 100's of other joints I've
>> already
>> >done?? I've had my share of setbacks in this project, but this takes
>> >the cake...
>> >
>> >Where's that Aircraft Shopper mag I had the other day...
>> >
>> >===
>> >"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to
>> fly? Just
>> how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner
>> >----------------------------------------------------------
>> >http://www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!
>> >----------------------------------------------------------
>> >My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>===
>http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
>
>
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| Subject: | on butt-joints, sanding, and banging your head against |
the wall
Ok, I think it was Walt who mentioned that you "use clean cuts and
never sand", refering to the places to be glued. Well, just about every
joint in my fuselage is sanded since my rough cuts never come out to an
exact fit, so I sanded them to make an exact fit. Nice & shiney they
were, as I recall. Now I guess I'm relying entirely on the gusets for
strength. At least I went ahead and scuffed the surface of all my fuse
gussets. I just wish there was a way to test the strenth of my fuse,
like I'm going to do with the 4 extra wing ribs I made. Can't exactly
make an extra fuse for destructive testing.
This is very frustrating. Thanks all for your support.
Richard
===
http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
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| From: | mbell1(at)columbiaenergygroup.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: well, that does it |
This also brings to mind another suggestion in the building wood aircraft
books: do a test joint and set it aside. Later, when all glue is securely
cured, put it in a vice and "stress test it". Bend it until it breaks, and if
the wood breaks before the glue, you should feel secure in the batch of glue.
You might also do a couple of joints, one lap and one butt and test them in a
few days. You'll probably break the butt joint on the glue line and the lap
joint will tear the wood and not break at the glue. This will probably give
you a lot more confidence in all of the other joints that you have glued
already. Also recommended is to save sample joints from each glue batch and
give them the "stress test" five years down the road.
The building with wood books suggest:
If you sand at a joint to be glued, that it must be scraped as clean as
possible. The sanding fills the pores and this must be gotten out for good
glue penetration. this also goes for scarfed joints that are done with a
sander instead of planed. A good scraper is the edge of a piece of glass
(careful) or grind the edge of a putty knife or other thin piece of steel
square and sharp. Quality wood finishing tool suppliers sell pieces of steel
that have flat and different curved shapes for scraping a final finish on
wood. You only need a flat scraper. Drag it across the sanded joint and you
will get a smoother piece of wood than you thought possible across the end
grain.
Scarfing joints, 8:1 or higher. It is important to get two flat matching
faces that will join without voids.
Lap piece of plywood over any butt joints and glue. Make the lapped piece
15-20 times the thickness of the joint, that is for 1/8th inch thick ply, a two
inch lap would be good, 16 X 1/8 = 2.
You're probably much, much better off than you feel right now. Just stop at
this point and evaluate how you have done all of the many joints and test a
little. You should have peace of mind when you're done. If not, contact
EAA technical advisor and go through an evaluation of your plane with him.
Good luck,
Mike Bell
Columbia,SC
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| From: | mboynton(at)excite.com |
| Subject: | Re: on butt-joints, sanding, and banging your head against |
the wa
Richard,
Are you being a little too hard on yourself? Never count on a butt joint
where end grain is used to give you any real strength at all. I haven't any
worked on the fuselage, but I can tell you without a doubt, as I'm sure
anyone who has done any woodworking can, that the gusset is where you gain
your strength. Stop banging your head against the wall, you might hurt the
wall.
To be sure, test a butt joint with pieces of side grain. If they don't
fail, you for sure don't have a problem.
By the way, the videos at aircamper.org are a shot in the arm. Thanks.
Mark Boynton
> Ok, I think it was Walt who mentioned that you "use clean cuts and
> never sand", refering to the places to be glued. Well, just about every
> joint in my fuselage is sanded since my rough cuts never come out to an
> exact fit, so I sanded them to make an exact fit. Nice & shiney they
> were, as I recall. Now I guess I'm relying entirely on the gusets for
> strength. At least I went ahead and scuffed the surface of all my fuse
> gussets. I just wish there was a way to test the strenth of my fuse,
> like I'm going to do with the 4 extra wing ribs I made. Can't exactly
> make an extra fuse for destructive testing.
>
> This is very frustrating. Thanks all for your support.
>
> Richard
> ===
> http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
>
>
_______
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Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Woodbridge <garywood(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Autofuel and Simulators |
Does anybody have any info on building a system to get auto fuel from a
tank to a high wing aircraft without
lifting gas cans? I have seen both electric and human powered pumps and
was wanting to put a filter in line.
Any ideas?
Also, has any body seen any formulas for writing flying simulators. I
am working on an idea for one and
am looking for some beginner info.
Thanks,
Gary Woodbridge
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| From: | DonanClara(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: well, that does it |
Richard
After reading your original message I had a number of comments I was tempted
to make but decided to first scroll through the other replies. I'm glad I
did. They answered every single thing I had planned to say...and quite likely
with more clarity. I think one very important thing came out in this
exchange...your willingness to admit to the glue-joint failure and to seek
advise. Every response was right on and the number of responses shows the
kind of support that is out there for all of us. I can only repeat what a few
others said. Don't beat yourself up over this or carry lingering doubts.
Just follow their very good advice, and be cautious with all further gluing.
I have seen plenty of shoddy workmanship flying around and I shake my head in
disbelief, But, sight unseen, I'd lay odds your workmanship will put the
average builder in the shade.. gl
Don Hicks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
| Subject: | Re: Autofuel and Simulators |
>Does anybody have any info on building a system to get auto fuel from a
>tank to a high wing aircraft without
>lifting gas cans? I have seen both electric and human powered pumps and
>was wanting to put a filter in line.
>Any ideas?
>
For a fuel "transfer system" I am using 2.5 gallon containers. What we
normally do when we need to get fuel for our plane is to buy a 5 gallon(or
bigger like the Jeep ones) container. They are heavy to lift to a high
wing. Even to carry them around.
I bought 4 of the red plastic 2.5 gallon ones. they have great stability
when in the floor of my bus (just a few kilometers from the gas station to
the field).
They are very easy to lift and with 4 (or 6) we can take enough fuel to top
the tank.
For a filter I use a piece of "deer skin" cloth, that yellow one that is
used for cleanning cars, in the funnel when at the gas station, just be
carefull with the level in the container.
This fuel filtering is used for decades in local aviation (AG pilots).
Saludos
Gary Gower
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: on butt-joints, sanding, and banging your head against |
the wa
Richard,
One never relies on a butt joint alone for strength because the glue
will fail in tension rather easily.
A gusset plate glue line will be loaded in shear and is enormously
strong in this loading configuration. In the clusters at the landing gear
attachments, it is common practice to use corner blocks, and the com-
bination of gussets and corner blocks will give you maximum strength.
In addition, corner blocks prevent the accumulation of dirt and mois-
ture in the joint cluster, particularly at the lower longerons.
Glue lines, rivets and welds must be loaded in shear in structures in
order to produce a reliable joint. If you examine aircraft structures, this
practice will be evident.
The butt joints should be properly fitted so that they will handle com-
pressive forces efficiently, but the glue line there really does only two
things: it holds the parts together until the gussets and sheeting are
in place, and it seals the joint to prevent the intrusion of moisture.
Follow the good advice given by others regarding glue joint preparation
and make some samples of joints with gussets.
Test them, and stop worrying.
Cheers,
Graham
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | SAM & JAN MARINUCCI |
| Subject: | Re: Autogyros & UL&X |
Sounds like a great idea for a new website. Go for it!
-----Original Message-----
From: Adolfo Pando <fitopando(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, July 26, 1999 6:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Autogyros & UL&X
>Dear everyone:
>
>Could anyone please remind me the address of the autogyros' page? I
>mean, the one that was within AirCamper.org, I seem to remember.
>
>I had it in my favourites, but after my last computer catastrophe it
>must have gone lost into cyberspace.
>
>By the way, I am about to set up a website called UL&X (for ultralight
>and experimental). There is an amazing magazine in Argentina called
>that, and the page would be, in principle, named after that. The mag is
>out of this world. I mean, it doesn't just have reports on aircrafts
>you are never going to be able to afford, but it is a sort of a
>building manual, but techniques, alternative materials, etc., like a
>kind of mixture between a mag and a FAA's C.A.. Apart from that, I have
>been arranging with the editor to print a version in English. In the
>website there would be a lot of building tips, sights, reports, etc,
>and also a section of plans. We are planning to publish plans of the
>Bleriot there, as well as other pioneer planes, again with tons of
>building tips and the like.
>Would that be of interest to you all?
>
>Fito
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | User554784(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Autogyros & UL&X |
Yes!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Autogyros & UL&X |
Fito...
Sounds like a fine idea! We all would/should be extremely interested in
what's going on in the rest of the world.
Good luck.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Re: on butt-joints, sanding, and banging your head against |
the wa
Richard;
For piece of mind, test the fuse, but not to
destruction. you won't sleep (or fly) otherwise
two cents
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Re: on butt-joints, sanding, and banging your head against |
the wa
Make that "peace of mind", no pun intended
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Rand McNally Question |
Just out of curiosity, how far is Brodhead from
Houston? I am getting a crazy feeling of driving
up there Friday and back Sunday. (Look I once
drove from Jackson Wyoming to Houston, non stop
after working a ten hour shift, can't be any worse
than that)
Thanks
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Randy Gaskins <randy(at)icomnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: DFLY: Re: corvaircraft: William Wynne lives! |
William just returned my call and gave me the following information.
1- He has a revised manual with a lot of updated info; ie: no machining
required for the crank shaft, information on a much less expensive cam which
replaces his cam, and additional phone #'s for suppliers.
2- The new manual is the same price as the old.
3- William asked me to let you know that if you have one of his old manuals
and would like a new one, send him a check for $15.00 and the front cover to the
old manual. William assured me there would not be a delay in getting these
manuals sent out. He told me he has plenty in stock. Send orders to:
May each of you be blessed with a tailwind. Randy Gaskins
Patrick Panzera wrote:
> Dave Morris wrote:
> >
> > >Ditto! Not only did I get William's book in the mail today, I also
> > >got the "How to keep your Corvair alive" from Amazon.com.
> > >
> > >Both of these books are great!
> > >
> > >Pat
> >
> > I just got a voice mail from William. So he IS actually alive and kicking,
> > and apparently publishing updates to the book. That's nice to hear!
>
> I got a call from him this evening. He asked me to pass along to
> all concerned individuals that although he's undergoing his 3rd
> move in as many months, he's "not in it for the money" and
> really wants to be there for any assistance.
>
> One note, although I sent him my money a few months back, he's
> not yet cashed my check... at least as of my last statement.
>
> If you were considering purchasing his manual, do so. Also
> there was a request on one of the e-mail lists for his phone
> number. here it is: 904-451-3676
>
> Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Rand McNally Question |
Check out, seemyad.com/map.htm you will get your answer plus ETA.
Enjoy the ride!
Chris
> Just out of curiosity, how far is Brodhead from
> Houston? I am getting a crazy feeling of driving
> up there Friday and back Sunday. (Look I once
> drove from Jackson Wyoming to Houston, non stop
> after working a ten hour shift, can't be any worse
> than that)
>
> Thanks
> Bill
>
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| From: | oil can <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: on butt-joints, sanding, and banging your head against |
the wa
My fuselage is steel, and glued together with welding rod...but the wing
ribs are glued and gusseted with t-88.
I didn't even bother to glue the ribs together with butt joints, just nails,
and gussets.
I depend on gussets alone for strength. As for the butts, they are coated
with varnish.
ocb
>From: Richard DeCosta
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: on butt-joints, sanding, and banging your head against the wall
>Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 05:34:17 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Ok, I think it was Walt who mentioned that you "use clean cuts and
>never sand", refering to the places to be glued. Well, just about every
>joint in my fuselage is sanded since my rough cuts never come out to an
>exact fit, so I sanded them to make an exact fit. Nice & shiney they
>were, as I recall. Now I guess I'm relying entirely on the gusets for
>strength. At least I went ahead and scuffed the surface of all my fuse
>gussets. I just wish there was a way to test the strenth of my fuse,
>like I'm going to do with the 4 extra wing ribs I made. Can't exactly
>make an extra fuse for destructive testing.
>
>This is very frustrating. Thanks all for your support.
>
>Richard
>===
>http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dean dayton <dayton(at)netwalk.com> |
| Subject: | Re: DFLY: Re: corvaircraft: William Wynne lives! |
What is the price?
Thanks
Dean
Randy Gaskins wrote:
| 2- The new manual is the same price as the old.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: DFLY: Re: corvaircraft: William Wynne lives! |
Thanks Randy for the info. I am sending my $15 today. Anyone know whats up
with the corvair aircraft engine mailing list? I subscribed and then after a
few days nothing. Everyones at Oskosh?
William
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: DFLY: Re: corvaircraft: William Wynne lives! |
Wkoucky(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Thanks Randy for the info. I am sending my $15 today. Anyone know whats up
> with the corvair aircraft engine mailing list? I subscribed and then after a
> few days nothing.
The list has been jumping since day one.
You must have been dropped somehow.
Try resubscribing.
send the text.... subscribe corvaircraft
to............... majordomo(at)listserv.usm.edu
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: DFLY: Re: corvaircraft: William Wynne lives! |
dean dayton wrote:
>
> What is the price?
$49.00
>
> Thanks
> Dean
>
> Randy Gaskins wrote:
> | 2- The new manual is the same price as the old.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Thanks for the tip! |
I can't remember who submitted the idea of grinding off the back of a
hacksaw blade and putting it in a jig saw, but boy does it make the
cutting easier! I tried it on the corvair motor mount attchment lugs
(1/8 inch stock) and did in 5 minutes what would have taken an hour to
do manually.
Wish I had known it sooner, probably have cut off (no pun intended)
about 100 hours of hacksawing!
Great tip, great group!
-=Ian=-
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Just finished my mount. Stretched it 1 3/4". ( by gut guess) put some
pics of progress/jig on
http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount1.jpg
http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount2.jpg
http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount3.jpg
http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount4.jpg
http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount5.jpg
walt
Just finished my mount. Stretched it
1
3/4. ( by gut guess) put some pics of progress/jig
on
href"http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount1.jpg">http://www.a=
ircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount1.jpg
href"http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount2.jpg">http://www.a=
ircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount2.jpg
href"http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount3.jpg">http://www.a=
ircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount3.jpg
href"http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount4.jpg">http://www.a=
ircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount4.jpg
href"http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount5.jpg">http://www.a=
ircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount5.jpg
walt
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: my engine mount |
walter evans wrote:
>
> Just finished my mount. Stretched it 1 3/4". ( by gut guess) put
> some pics of progress/jig on
> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount1.jpg
> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount2.jpg
> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount3.jpg
> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount4.jpg
> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount5.jpg
Walt,
clicked and clicked... got nothing.
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: my engine mount |
Pat,
I'm no comp. genius, so I may not have done it right. ( I clicked on the
highlight on your return letter and it came up).. If not go to this site,
and go to me, and find the mount pics. Hope it works.
http://www.aircamper.org/Sites.cfm
walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Panzera
Date: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 5:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: my engine mount
>walter evans wrote:
>>
>> Just finished my mount. Stretched it 1 3/4". ( by gut guess) put
>> some pics of progress/jig on
>> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount1.jpg
>> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount2.jpg
>> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount3.jpg
>> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount4.jpg
>> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount5.jpg
>
>
>Walt,
>
>clicked and clicked... got nothing.
>
>Pat
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fw: my engine mount |
walter evans wrote:
>
> Pat,
> I'm no comp. genius, so I may not have done it right. ( I clicked on the
> highlight on your return letter and it came up).. If not go to this site,
> and go to me, and find the mount pics. Hope it works.
> http://www.aircamper.org/Sites.cfm
> walt
Just tried that, still no bueno. :(
Must be on my end.
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug <ve6zh(at)oanet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Thanks for the tip! |
Your welcome.
Doug
> From: Ian Holland
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Thanks for the tip!
> Date: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 11:03 AM
>
> I can't remember who submitted the idea of grinding off the back of a
> hacksaw blade and putting it in a jig saw, but boy does it make the
> cutting easier! I tried it on the corvair motor mount attchment lugs
> (1/8 inch stock) and did in 5 minutes what would have taken an hour to
> do manually.
>
> Wish I had known it sooner, probably have cut off (no pun intended)
> about 100 hours of hacksawing!
>
> Great tip, great group!
>
> -=Ian=-
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: my engine mount |
>walter evans wrote:
>>
>> Pat,
>> I'm no comp. genius, so I may not have done it right. ( I clicked on the
>> highlight on your return letter and it came up).. If not go to this site,
>> and go to me, and find the mount pics. Hope it works.
>> http://www.aircamper.org/Sites.cfm
>> walt
>
>Just tried that, still no bueno. :(
>Must be on my end.
>
>Pat
>
>
I tried to see the photos, got to the place (slow because here is 7:00 pm
and lots of users around), well got to the photo and only got the square of
netscape that tells there is a photo but no image (like when in the old
Netscape when chose no image for faster loading) the lower line says the
normal "Done."
Has to be in the site the problem
Saludos
Gary Gower
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: my engine mount |
Worked for me! Looks great Walt.
walter evans wrote:
>
> Pat,
> I'm no comp. genius, so I may not have done it right. ( I clicked on the
> highlight on your return letter and it came up).. If not go to this site,
> and go to me, and find the mount pics. Hope it works.
> http://www.aircamper.org/Sites.cfm
> walt
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick Panzera
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 5:12 PM
> Subject: Re: my engine mount
>
> >walter evans wrote:
> >>
> >> Just finished my mount. Stretched it 1 3/4". ( by gut guess) put
> >> some pics of progress/jig on
> >> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount1.jpg
> >> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount2.jpg
> >> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount3.jpg
> >> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount4.jpg
> >> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount5.jpg
> >
> >
> >Walt,
> >
> >clicked and clicked... got nothing.
> >
> >Pat
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com> |
Hey I guess Steve E. is having so much Fun he forgot to keep us
updated. Oh well ... I know we will hear all about it when he returns &
be jealous(sp?) as hell.
John Duprey
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: Fw: my engine mount |
John,
Thanks, good to see that it's getting out there somewhere.
walt
-----Original Message-----
From: John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 9:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fw: my engine mount
>Worked for me! Looks great Walt.
>
>walter evans wrote:
>>
>> Pat,
>> I'm no comp. genius, so I may not have done it right. ( I clicked on
the
>> highlight on your return letter and it came up).. If not go to this site,
>> and go to me, and find the mount pics. Hope it works.
>> http://www.aircamper.org/Sites.cfm
>> walt
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Patrick Panzera
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Date: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 5:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: my engine mount
>>
>> >walter evans wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Just finished my mount. Stretched it 1 3/4". ( by gut guess) put
>> >> some pics of progress/jig on
>> >> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount1.jpg
>> >> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount2.jpg
>> >> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount3.jpg
>> >> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount4.jpg
>> >> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount5.jpg
>> >
>> >
>> >Walt,
>> >
>> >clicked and clicked... got nothing.
>> >
>> >Pat
>> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Randy Gaskins <randy(at)icomnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: DFLY: Re: corvaircraft: William Wynne lives! |
How do I sign up for the corvair mailing list?
May you be blessed with a tailwind. Randy Gaskins
Wkoucky(at)aol.com wrote:
> Thanks Randy for the info. I am sending my $15 today. Anyone know whats up
> with the corvair aircraft engine mailing list? I subscribed and then after a
> few days nothing. Everyones at Oskosh?
>
> William
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Randy Gaskins <randy(at)icomnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: DFLY: Re: corvaircraft: William Wynne lives! |
The manual is $49.00
May you be blessed with a tailwind. RG
dean dayton wrote:
> What is the price?
>
> Thanks
> Dean
>
> Randy Gaskins wrote:
> | 2- The new manual is the same price as the old.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Randy Gaskins <randy(at)icomnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: Corvair Listserver] |
Help! I've tried to sign up and have not succeeded. Please help with some
advice.
Thanks and may you be blessed with a tailwind. RG
Patrick Panzera wrote:
> Here's a Corvair list that just started.
> If you are interested, join in.
>
> Pat
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Corvair Listserver
> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:20:12 -0500
> From: Glen Shearer <glen.shearer(at)usm.edu>
> To: panzera(at)cnetech.com
>
> Hi Pat,
>
> OK.....lets see how a Corvair list "flies". Below is the info about how to
> subscribe. I'm also going to post this to the Dfly list.
>
> I have just set up the list called CorvAIRCRAFT. You can subscribe by
> sending a message to the following address
>
> majordomo(at)listserv.usm.edu
>
> with "subscribe corvaircraft" in the body of the message.
>
> Posts can be sent to the listserve at this address
>
> corvaircraft(at)usm.edu
>
> We should have several members sign up in the next few days. In a day or
> two, please send a post to the list to introduce yourself. Also, to help
> get the ball rolling, feel free to post whatever Corvair conversion
> questions, comments, etc. that you have.
>
> If you know of anyone else who might be interested in Corvair conversions,
> please tell them about the CorvAIRCRAFT list.
>
> thanks,
> Glen
>
> ...
________________________________________________________________________________
Gentlemen,
I live 45 minutes from Oshkosh and was at EAA today when the Pietenpols
flight came in. It was great to see all of them in the pattern. Met Steve
E., Mike Cuy, Bill Rewey and others. I believe 16 planes flew in. There
was a strong crosswind from the West. They landed on 36-18 and one plane
lost a wheel and ground looped. Don't think the pilot was hurt and don't
know how much damage was done to the plane. Didn't get the name of the
pilot.
Bill Rewey's Pietenpol forum was well attended. Good info and many
questions.
Arden Adamson
(I have the Pietenpol plans but haven't started building yet.)
> -----Original Message-----
> John Duprey
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 8:50 PM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Steve E.
>
>
> Hey I guess Steve E. is having so much Fun he forgot to keep us
> updated. Oh well ... I know we will hear all about it when he returns &
> be jealous(sp?) as hell.
>
> John Duprey
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Anderson <kcande19(at)idt.net> |
Spent two hours repairing one lously clearance light on the motor home this
morning.
Wife has it all packed. Will be hitting the road Thrs. afternoon to
Broadhead.
See you all there
Ken
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: Corvair Listserver] |
Randy Gaskins wrote:
>
> Help! I've tried to sign up and have not succeeded. Please help with some
> advice.
You can subscribe by sending the text: subscribe corvaircraft
majordomo(at)listserv.usm.edu
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug Sheets <doug_sheets(at)hotmail.com> |
List:
I can't take it any more!! I'm packing the motorhome and going to Brodhead.
Leaving tomorrow, hope to meet many of you there. it will make things much
easier to see some great Piets and talk to those that have done this before.
A picture is worth a thousand words. My Piet is just getting started and I
need all the help I can get. Look for me!!!
Doug Sheets - Meadville, PA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower(at)informador.com.mx> |
| Subject: | Re: Can't stand it! |
Go for it Doug!
(with the envy of all of us that cant make it this year)
Saludos
Gary Gower
>List:
>I can't take it any more!! I'm packing the motorhome and going to Brodhead.
>Leaving tomorrow, hope to meet many of you there. it will make things much
>easier to see some great Piets and talk to those that have done this before.
>A picture is worth a thousand words. My Piet is just getting started and I
>need all the help I can get. Look for me!!!
>Doug Sheets - Meadville, PA
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mboynton(at)excite.com |
Kevin,
I enjoyed following your Alaska trip - great pictures. How did you bend
your Tri-Pacer?
Mark Boynton
> Howdy Pietsters,
> I'll be doing my second Alaska trip in my Tri Pacer. This time
> I have decided up the ante and take a digital camera and a laptop
> and try to keep a web page updated during the trip.
> I opened a web page at http://www.io.com/~ktm which is just a shell
> at the moment. I hope to be able to update it every couple of days.
> If your interested check in next week and see if I've been able to
> get pictures uploaded from the field.
> Hope we don't crash!
> Ktm
_______
Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com
Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael King <mikek(at)nstar.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: my engine mount |
Comes in clear and crisp in Dallas
using Explorer 4.0.
Mike King
GN-1
Dallas, Texas
>Worked for me! Looks great Walt.
>
>walter evans wrote:
>>
>> Pat,
>> I'm no comp. genius, so I may not have done it right. ( I clicked on the
>> highlight on your return letter and it came up).. If not go to this site,
>> and go to me, and find the mount pics. Hope it works.
>> http://www.aircamper.org/Sites.cfm
>> walt
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Patrick Panzera
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Date: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 5:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: my engine mount
>>
>> >walter evans wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Just finished my mount. Stretched it 1 3/4". ( by gut guess) put
>> >> some pics of progress/jig on
>> >> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount1.jpg
>> >> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount2.jpg
>> >> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount3.jpg
>> >> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount4.jpg
>> >> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount5.jpg
>> >
>> >
>> >Walt,
>> >
>> >clicked and clicked... got nothing.
>> >
>> >Pat
>> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lassetter, Russell B (Russell)" <rbl1(at)lucent.com> |
Gentlemen,
Since I am not on the way to Broadhead I am viewing the flying clips on the
Pietenpol website. Maybe next year I can make it.
I have been building a Sky Scout for a couple of years and am about 50%
finished with the fuselage. I haven't started the wings yet but the tail
feathers are nearly complete.
I am building per the plans but I think this is somewhat of a misnomer since
the plans have many mistakes/typos. Would anyone be interested in compiling
a list of these inaccuracies for both the Sky Scout and Aircamper. I can
contribute many for the Sky Scout.
I hope to have the fuse. on the gear soon. Then I can put the ply on the
sides, remount the model A engine (not yet rebuilt), and sit in it in my
back yard and make airplane noises. Since I live in a rural community, I
figure I can get away with this for several hours before the men in white
coats show up.
I have many questions, but also many tricks and helpful tips that I have
learned along the way if anyone is interested. I do not have any expensive
tools so I have learned to use what I call "poor mans accuracy".
I have something that I can share. I have taken all of the back issues of
the BHP Newsletter and compiled a list of tips etc. that pertain to the Sky
Scout. These are in a "Word" document. When I am working on the rudder for
example, I can use the search function (Find/Replace) and it searches my
document and stops at every mention of the word "rudder" where there will be
a brief description and the Issue and page number to go to in the
newsletter.
I did this because I knew that I had seen a "tip" that was applicable, but I
could not find it without looking through all of the back issues. My crude
explanation does not do it justice but I have found it very helpful. If
anyone is interested I can email the Word document.
Remember that I only noted things that pertained to the Sky Scout, but each
person could add items that may pertain to their project.
Sincerely,
Distribution Design Specialist
* Lucent Technologies, Inc.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | fishin <fishin(at)wwa.com> |
so glad to hear nobody was injured ,,,hope the damage was minimal and he's able
to make repairs and get himself safely back home...is there anyone who hasen't
experienced a ground loop in a taildragger??? I know I have, some years ago in
my old aeronca chief...
JoeC
Zion, Illinois
ps--will be at brodhead sat,,have around 100 $6 turnbuckles left if anyone is
interested...look for a red ford explorer.
"mail.execpc.com" wrote:
> Gentlemen,
>
> I live 45 minutes from Oshkosh and was at EAA today when the Pietenpols
> flight came in. It was great to see all of them in the pattern. Met Steve
> E., Mike Cuy, Bill Rewey and others. I believe 16 planes flew in. There
> was a strong crosswind from the West. They landed on 36-18 and one plane
> lost a wheel and ground looped. Don't think the pilot was hurt and don't
> know how much damage was done to the plane. Didn't get the name of the
> pilot.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Copinfo <Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.com> |
If anyone sees Steve, tell him to give my key back. That was my only key to
the club house here in Des Moines. Tell him I got my new mags today and
will be flying Piet NX899TC this weekend. I'm making it to Broadhead this
year if it kills me. Just not this month. The middle of next month I'm
guessing. The BPA newsletter has my fuselage pictured witha caption "This
one will be at Broadhead 99" and it will around the 15th of August.
Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com
Tim Cunningham
Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510
-----Original Message-----
From: mail.execpc.com
Date: Thursday, July 29, 1999 12:21 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Steve E.
>Gentlemen,
>
>I live 45 minutes from Oshkosh and was at EAA today when the Pietenpols
>flight came in. It was great to see all of them in the pattern. Met Steve
>E., Mike Cuy, Bill Rewey and others. I believe 16 planes flew in. There
>was a strong crosswind from the West. They landed on 36-18 and one plane
>lost a wheel and ground looped. Don't think the pilot was hurt and don't
>know how much damage was done to the plane. Didn't get the name of the
>pilot.
>
>Bill Rewey's Pietenpol forum was well attended. Good info and many
>questions.
>
>Arden Adamson
>(I have the Pietenpol plans but haven't started building yet.)
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> John Duprey
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 8:50 PM
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Subject: Steve E.
>>
>>
>> Hey I guess Steve E. is having so much Fun he forgot to keep us
>> updated. Oh well ... I know we will hear all about it when he returns &
>> be jealous(sp?) as hell.
>>
>> John Duprey
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Duane <Duaner(at)atl.mindspring.com> |
Got my BPA newsletter Issue 63 yesterday and there were missing pages as
well as duplicate pages. Looks like I got a miss assembled newslettter.
Could be a collectors item. Has any body else had the same problem. It's
missing pages 5, 6, 11 and 12 and has duplicates of 7, 8, 9 and 10.
Duane Revennaugh
Got my BPA newsletter Issue 63
yesterday and
there were missing pages as well as duplicate pages. Looks like I got a
miss
assembled newslettter. Could be a collectors item. Has any body else had
the
same problem. It's missing pages 5, 6, 11 and 12 and has duplicates of
7, 8, 9
and 10.
Duane
Revennaugh
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Randy Gaskins <randy(at)icomnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: Corvair Listserver] |
I've tried to sign up however I get a return msg of host unknown. Any ideas?
Thanks and may you be blessed with a tailwind. Randy Gaskins
Patrick Panzera wrote:
> Randy Gaskins wrote:
> >
> > Help! I've tried to sign up and have not succeeded. Please help with some
> > advice.
>
> You can subscribe by sending the text: subscribe corvaircraft
> to:
> majordomo(at)listserv.usm.edu
>
> Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: BPA Newsletter |
Duane,
Mine came intact. If you would like and if you would give me your address,
I'll copy mine and send it to you pronto.
Arden Adamson
-----Original Message-----
Duane
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 5:40 PM
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Subject: BPA Newsletter
Got my BPA newsletter Issue 63 yesterday and there were missing pages as
well as duplicate pages. Looks like I got a miss assembled newslettter.
Could be a collectors item. Has any body else had the same problem. It's
missing pages 5, 6, 11 and 12 and has duplicates of 7, 8, 9 and 10.
Duane Revennaugh
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | oil can <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Can't stand it! |
Well, I for one think there's just a....little too much excitement in the
air, and you'd probably better just stay home.
ocb
>From: Doug Sheets <doug_sheets(at)hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Can't stand it!
>Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:27:03 -0700 (PDT)
>
>List:
>I can't take it any more!! I'm packing the motorhome and going to Brodhead.
>Leaving tomorrow, hope to meet many of you there. it will make things much
>easier to see some great Piets and talk to those that have done this
>before.
>A picture is worth a thousand words. My Piet is just getting started and I
>need all the help I can get. Look for me!!!
>Doug Sheets - Meadville, PA
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lassetter, Russell B (Russell)" <rbl1(at)lucent.com> |
Gentlemen,
I have recently purchased some old engines that may interest you. I have
two 150 hp, inline, inverted, 4-cylinder, air-cooled Tiger engines. These
are in crates and supposedly rebuilt by the Spanish Air Force. They were
installed in the Spanish built Bucker Jungsters. I met a fellow at an
airshow this weekend with a beautiful Jungster and he says he is very
pleased with the engines performance and reliability. Others have the
opinion that they were not good engines.
I also have a 5-cylinder Lawrence radial engine of 85 hp and a 2-cylinder
Lawrence of 37 hp. These were APU engines and have not yet been converted
as aircraft powerplants (I think). I haven't examined them closely. All of
the parts seem to be in place--they are assembled. Supposedly the cylinders
of the two engines are interchangeable.
I think that both of the Lawrence engines are about the right size for light
planes such as the Sky Scout or Aircamer---or a Baby Ace etc. etc.
For the inline 150 hp engines I thought about a Starduster Too--built really
light with the front cockpit covered most of the time. (The front cockpit
only used for skinny women.) With the slim inline cowling I can picture a
Golden Age racer-looking money pit.
If anyone has any projects laying around that they are tired of looking at,
and would like to see them mated to one of these engines, lets talk. Maybe
we can team up and get something flying.
Or, if anyone has info. on the engines, I would appreciate any advice.
Wish I was at Oshkosh / Broadhead,
Distribution Design Specialist
* Lucent Technologies, Inc.
________________________________________________________________________________
Unsubscribe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Copinfo <Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: BPA Newsletter |
No, Duane. Mine is complete. Yours is probably a collectors item now.
How much to buy mine?
Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com
Tim Cunningham
Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510
-----Original Message-----
From: Duane <Duaner(at)atl.mindspring.com>
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Thursday, July 29, 1999 5:38 PM
Subject: BPA Newsletter
Got my BPA newsletter Issue 63 yesterday and there were missing
pages as well as duplicate pages. Looks like I got a miss assembled
newslettter. Could be a collectors item. Has any body else had the same
problem. It's missing pages 5, 6, 11 and 12 and has duplicates of 7, 8,
9 and 10.
Duane Revennaugh
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Cunningham <mikec(at)microlandusa.com> |
Russell, I would like to know more about those inline 4's. Left you a
voicemail. I f you should see this email
before you get the voice please drop me a note at mecmikec(at)aol.com.
Thanks,
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Lassetter, Russell B (Russell) <rbl1(at)lucent.com>
Date: Friday, July 30, 1999 7:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engines
>Gentlemen,
>
>I have recently purchased some old engines that may interest you. I have
>two 150 hp, inline, inverted, 4-cylinder, air-cooled Tiger engines. These
>are in crates and supposedly rebuilt by the Spanish Air Force. They were
>installed in the Spanish built Bucker Jungsters. I met a fellow at an
>airshow this weekend with a beautiful Jungster and he says he is very
>pleased with the engines performance and reliability. Others have the
>opinion that they were not good engines.
>
>I also have a 5-cylinder Lawrence radial engine of 85 hp and a 2-cylinder
>Lawrence of 37 hp. These were APU engines and have not yet been converted
>as aircraft powerplants (I think). I haven't examined them closely. All
of
>the parts seem to be in place--they are assembled. Supposedly the
cylinders
>of the two engines are interchangeable.
>
>I think that both of the Lawrence engines are about the right size for
light
>planes such as the Sky Scout or Aircamer---or a Baby Ace etc. etc.
>
>For the inline 150 hp engines I thought about a Starduster Too--built
really
>light with the front cockpit covered most of the time. (The front cockpit
>only used for skinny women.) With the slim inline cowling I can picture a
>Golden Age racer-looking money pit.
>
>If anyone has any projects laying around that they are tired of looking at,
>and would like to see them mated to one of these engines, lets talk. Maybe
>we can team up and get something flying.
>
>Or, if anyone has info. on the engines, I would appreciate any advice.
>
>Wish I was at Oshkosh / Broadhead,
>
> Distribution Design Specialist
> * Lucent Technologies, Inc.
> *Tel: 404.814.6950
> *Fax: 404.814.6968
> * rbl1(at)lucent.com
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Duane <Duaner(at)atl.mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: BPA Newsletter |
Thanks Arden.
I'm at PO Box 897 Stockbridge, GA 30281.
Duane
Duane,
Mine came intact. If you would like and if you would give me your
address, I'll copy mine and send it to you pronto.
Arden Adamson
-----Original Message-----
Duane
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 5:40 PM
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Subject: BPA Newsletter
Got my BPA newsletter Issue 63 yesterday and there were missing
pages as well as duplicate pages. Looks like I got a miss assembled
newslettter. Could be a collectors item. Has any body else had the same
problem. It's missing pages 5, 6, 11 and 12 and has duplicates of 7, 8,
9 and 10.
Duane Revennaugh
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Duane <Duaner(at)atl.mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: BPA Newsletter |
Well If you think so, how 'bout a trade:-)
No, Duane. Mine is complete. Yours is probably a collectors item now.
How much to buy mine?
Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com
Tim Cunningham
Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510
-----Original Message-----
From: Duane <Duaner(at)atl.mindspring.com>
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Thursday, July 29, 1999 5:38 PM
Subject: BPA Newsletter
Got my BPA newsletter Issue 63 yesterday and there were missing
pages as well as duplicate pages. Looks like I got a miss assembled
newslettter. Could be a collectors item. Has any body else had the same
problem. It's missing pages 5, 6, 11 and 12 and has duplicates of 7, 8,
9 and 10.
Duane Revennaugh
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Randy Gaskins <randy(at)icomnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: Corvair Listserver] |
Please help a non-computer nerd. I have tried to sign up as shown below. I
keep getting the msg "host unknown". I'm fighting a headwind here and need a
shift in wind direction.
Thanks and may you be blessed with a tailwind. Randy Gaskins
Patrick Panzera wrote:
> Randy Gaskins wrote:
> >
> > Help! I've tried to sign up and have not succeeded. Please help with some
> > advice.
>
> You can subscribe by sending the text: subscribe corvaircraft
> to:
> majordomo(at)listserv.usm.edu
>
> Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: Corvair Listserver] |
Randy Gaskins wrote:
>
> Please help a non-computer nerd. I have tried to sign up as shown below. I
> keep getting the msg "host unknown". I'm fighting a headwind here and need a
> shift in wind direction.
>
> Thanks and may you be blessed with a tailwind. Randy Gaskins
Ok, I tried doing it for you.
You should get a comformation note from Majordomo.
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: BPA Newsletter |
Duane,
It'l be in the mail tomorrow.
Arden
-----Original Message-----
Duane
Sent: Friday, July 30, 1999 4:58 PM
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Subject: Re: BPA Newsletter
Thanks Arden.
I'm at PO Box 897 Stockbridge, GA 30281.
Duane
Duane,
Mine came intact. If you would like and if you would give me your
address, I'll copy mine and send it to you pronto.
Arden Adamson
Duane
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 5:40 PM
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Subject: BPA Newsletter
Got my BPA newsletter Issue 63 yesterday and there were missing
pages as well as duplicate pages. Looks like I got a miss assembled
newslettter. Could be a collectors item. Has any body else had the same
problem. It's missing pages 5, 6, 11 and 12 and has duplicates of 7, 8, 9
and 10.
Duane Revennaugh
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
Interesting engines. By Tiger engines do you mean that they are from Dh
Tiger Moths? If so they are Gypsy Majors. What would you need for the
Lawrence 85 HP radial/ Where are you? Do you know of parts sources for other
old engines? I have a Mk11 Cirrus engine that needs some spares.
John McNarry
-----Original Message-----
From: Lassetter, Russell B (Russell) <rbl1(at)lucent.com>
Date: Friday, July 30, 1999 6:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engines
>Gentlemen,
>
>I have recently purchased some old engines that may interest you. I have
>two 150 hp, inline, inverted, 4-cylinder, air-cooled Tiger engines. These
>are in crates and supposedly rebuilt by the Spanish Air Force. They were
>installed in the Spanish built Bucker Jungsters. I met a fellow at an
>airshow this weekend with a beautiful Jungster and he says he is very
>pleased with the engines performance and reliability. Others have the
>opinion that they were not good engines.
>
>I also have a 5-cylinder Lawrence radial engine of 85 hp and a 2-cylinder
>Lawrence of 37 hp. These were APU engines and have not yet been converted
>as aircraft powerplants (I think). I haven't examined them closely. All
of
>the parts seem to be in place--they are assembled. Supposedly the
cylinders
>of the two engines are interchangeable.
>
>I think that both of the Lawrence engines are about the right size for
light
>planes such as the Sky Scout or Aircamer---or a Baby Ace etc. etc.
>
>For the inline 150 hp engines I thought about a Starduster Too--built
really
>light with the front cockpit covered most of the time. (The front cockpit
>only used for skinny women.) With the slim inline cowling I can picture a
>Golden Age racer-looking money pit.
>
>If anyone has any projects laying around that they are tired of looking at,
>and would like to see them mated to one of these engines, lets talk. Maybe
>we can team up and get something flying.
>
>Or, if anyone has info. on the engines, I would appreciate any advice.
>
>Wish I was at Oshkosh / Broadhead,
>
> Distribution Design Specialist
> * Lucent Technologies, Inc.
> *Tel: 404.814.6950
> *Fax: 404.814.6968
> * rbl1(at)lucent.com
>
>
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| From: | Leonard Duncil <lduncil(at)digital.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: my engine mount |
I could see the images with Explorer but not originally with Netscape.
To see them with Netscape, I had to go to Edit-Preferences. Select
Advanced. Uncheck Automatically Load Images to turn off that feature.
Select OK to go back to netscape.
Now when you try to load the image from the locations below and nothing
comes up, just click the images button on the toolbar and the image will
load.
Lennie Duncil
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael King <mikek(at)nstar.net>
Date: Thursday, July 29, 1999 10:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fw: my engine mount
>Comes in clear and crisp in Dallas
>using Explorer 4.0.
>
>Mike King
>GN-1
>Dallas, Texas
>
>
>>Worked for me! Looks great Walt.
>>
>>walter evans wrote:
>>>
>>> Pat,
>>> I'm no comp. genius, so I may not have done it right. ( I clicked on
the
>>> highlight on your return letter and it came up).. If not go to this
site,
>>> and go to me, and find the mount pics. Hope it works.
>>> http://www.aircamper.org/Sites.cfm
>>> walt
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Patrick Panzera
>>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>> Date: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 5:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: my engine mount
>>>
>>> >walter evans wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Just finished my mount. Stretched it 1 3/4". ( by gut guess) put
>>> >> some pics of progress/jig on
>>> >> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount1.jpg
>>> >> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount2.jpg
>>> >> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount3.jpg
>>> >> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount4.jpg
>>> >> http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbemount5.jpg
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Walt,
>>> >
>>> >clicked and clicked... got nothing.
>>> >
>>> >Pat
>>> >
>>
>>
>
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| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Kitplanes September Issue |
I noticed in the back of the August Kitplanes, it
says next month (Sept):
Grand Old Airplane
Featured at Oshkosh this year, the 1930s Pietenpol
Aircamper continues as popular as ever....
anyone know anymore?
I noticed in the back of the August Kitplanes, it says next month (Sept):
Grand Old Airplane
Featured at Oshkosh this year, the 1930s Pietenpol Aircamper continues
as popular as ever....
anyone know anymore?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kitplanes September Issue |
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net>
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Date: Saturday, July 31, 1999 6:39 PM
Subject: Kitplanes September Issue
Well, I have one or the critters. It's on my website under the
aviation heading. They're pretty neat airplanes. Mine was built in 77,
from the 1030 plans, and has a 65 hp Cont.
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
I noticed in the back of the August Kitplanes, it says next month
(Sept):
Grand Old Airplane
Featured at Oshkosh this year, the 1930s Pietenpol Aircamper
continues as popular as ever....
anyone know anymore?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dean Dayton <dayton(at)netwalk.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kitplanes September Issue |
Nice looking plane. But, I have to ask about the uncovered wing. Is that
a Pietenpol wing? If it is, where is the leeding edge?
Dean Dayton
robert hensarling wrote:
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Saturday, July 31, 1999 6:39 PM
> Subject: Kitplanes September Issue Well, I have one or the
> critters. It's on my website under the aviation heading.
> They're pretty neat airplanes. Mine was built in 77, from
> the 1030 plans, and has a 65 hp Cont. Robert Hensarling
> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
> Uvalde, Texas
>
> I noticed in the back of the August Kitplanes, it says next
> month (Sept):
>
> Grand Old Airplane
> Featured at Oshkosh this year, the 1930s Pietenpol Aircamper
> continues as popular as ever....
>
>
> anyone know anymore?
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert hensarling <rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kitplanes September Issue |
-----Original Message-----
From: Dean Dayton <dayton(at)netwalk.com>
Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 7:39 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Kitplanes September Issue
Dean, that wing was one of a set I built for a Team Tandum Airbike. The
D-Cell leading edge had not been built when the photo was taken (tandum
Airbike was never completed, but I did finish the wings, then traded them
off. They're still handing in his hanger I think).
Robert Hensarling
http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
Uvalde, Texas
>Nice looking plane. But, I have to ask about the uncovered wing. Is that
>a Pietenpol wing? If it is, where is the leeding edge?
>
>Dean Dayton
>
>robert hensarling wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net>
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Date: Saturday, July 31, 1999 6:39 PM
>> Subject: Kitplanes September Issue Well, I have one or the
>> critters. It's on my website under the aviation heading.
>> They're pretty neat airplanes. Mine was built in 77, from
>> the 1030 plans, and has a 65 hp Cont. Robert Hensarling
>> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com
>> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com
>> Uvalde, Texas
>>
>> I noticed in the back of the August Kitplanes, it says next
>> month (Sept):
>>
>> Grand Old Airplane
>> Featured at Oshkosh this year, the 1930s Pietenpol Aircamper
>> continues as popular as ever....
>>
>>
>> anyone know anymore?
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Lund <malund(at)sprint.ca> |
Vaction time- See ya's in September
Vaction time- See ya's in
September
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| From: | Joe & Marian Beck <flyretina(at)feist.com> |
Hi group:
Are the bracing tubes that angle down and forward from the front cabanes
required? Doug Bryant, our local Piet guru, says no. Fact or heresy?
Thanks.
CJ Beck
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Copinfo <Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: cabane details |
How would you keep the wing from moving forward or back without them? Mine
are adjustable and I put the wing back a could of inches by adjusting them.
Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com
Tim Cunningham
Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe & Marian Beck <flyretina(at)feist.com>
Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 9:39 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane details
>Hi group:
>Are the bracing tubes that angle down and forward from the front cabanes
>required? Doug Bryant, our local Piet guru, says no. Fact or heresy?
>
>Thanks.
>CJ Beck
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Keith Hodge <KHodge(at)cwcom.net> |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Keith Hodge <KHodge(at)cwcom.net> |
Unsubscribe
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| From: | fishin <fishin(at)wwa.com> |
| Subject: | Re: cabane details |
plans show crossed cables between front and rear cabanes on one side only as
fore aft wing supports but most builders elect to use tubing supports from
front top motor mount to front cabane
JoeC
Joe & Marian Beck wrote:
> Hi group:
> Are the bracing tubes that angle down and forward from the front cabanes
> required? Doug Bryant, our local Piet guru, says no. Fact or heresy?
>
> Thanks.
> CJ Beck
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Kitplanes September Issue |
Yo;
I have been having email trouble. has there been
any activity on the list since Friday?
I sent the below out and it didn't come back, if
you guys got it, my apology for spamming you.
I noticed in the back of the August Kitplanes, it
says next month (Sept):
Grand Old Airplane
Featured at Oshkosh this year, the 1930s Pietenpol
Aircamper continues as popular as ever....
anyone know anymore?
Yo;
I have been having email trouble. has
there been any activity on the list since Friday?
I sent the below out and it didn't come back,
if you guys got it, my apology for spamming you.
I noticed in the back of the August Kitplanes, it says next month (Sept):
Grand Old Airplane
Featured at Oshkosh this year, the 1930s Pietenpol Aircamper continues
as popular as ever....
anyone know anymore?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TJTREV(at)webtv.net (Theodore Trevorrow) |
Steve asked me to pass along the word . He has had a great time, But
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | michael list <mclist(at)ptw.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kitplanes September Issue |
Bill Talbert wrote:
>
> I noticed in the back of the August Kitplanes, it says next month
> (Sept):
>
> Grand Old Airplane
> Featured at Oshkosh this year, the 1930s Pietenpol Aircamper continues
> as popular as ever....
>
>
> anyone know anymore?
Just got back from Oshkosh and Brodhead. More on that later! The
Kitplanes folks had the Sept 99 issue available, and sure enough it has
an article on Pietenpol and the Air Camper and Scout. While it is nice
to see an Air Camper on the cover of Kitplanes, the article itself has a
lot of inaccuracies. Jack Cox, he did a much better article on Mike Cuy
that Grant included in the latest newsletter. Best part of the
Kitplanes issue, though, is they have a big section of "Completions"
where you can see two Piets, including Steve E's.
While I'm thinking about it, I'll shut off the video I shot at Brodhead
and give the group a brief, separate synopsis.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | michael list <mclist(at)ptw.com> |
| Subject: | Brodhead Memories |
All I can say is that Brodhead is beautiful!
When I got to Oshkosh Friday morning via Southwest and Avis, there were
still three Piet's out on the flightline, including Mike Cuy and his
favorite assistant, Karen. What a pretty plane! Karen is a good one to
ask for the REAL story of building that plane (sorry, Mike)! All that
sweating may cause Mike to move his wing forward again! Ted Brosseau
was also there, having flown up from Florida in his Piet. Said it took
about 23 hours for that little cross country. Heard it was more the
wake and vortices from a DC-3 landing on a parallel runway rather than
crosswind that caused the grief to a Piet flying in to Oshkosh, this
from a pilot that landed just ahead of the unfortunate Air Camper and
also encountered the unexpectedly rough conditions. Marv Hoppenworth of
pedal plane fame unveiled a new model this year, a Pedal Piet that is as
cute as can be! The plans aren't finished yet, should be out this fall
so keep your eyes on the ads in Sport Aviation.
After spending about five hours at Oshkosh on Friday in the sweltering
heat and crowds, I packed up and headed south to Brodhead. Still hot
and sticky, but at least there were 13 Air Camper's nestled in amongst
the trees surrounding a wonderful, green, quiet flying pasture. I mean
a pasture, too, as it is too big to call it a grass strip. There were 3
Model A powered Air Campers, 2 Corvair versions, Duane Woolsey (sp?) and
his Subaru powered ship (now sold to a new owner) and the rest filled
out with the Continental crowd. Not to mention some really classy birds
that flew in for the fun of it, like a Stinson 10A, a Stinson Detroiter
(I believe), Ercoupe, Lake Amphibian, Waco biplane, Stearman, Kitfox,
Sonerai, and an ultralight Piet wanna-be (not an Ultra Piet). I won't
even go into the amazing planes that are based at Brodhead, but it is
quite the airport for those in love with the smell of warm oil, doped
fabric and old engines that seem to have more displacement in one
cylinder than an entire Corvair engine. Words will never fully describe
the atmosphere of Brodhead.
The brats on Friday and pork chops on Saturday, plus pancakes Saturday
morning, with more fresh corn on the cob than could be eaten, made sure
the pilots had enough energy for all the flying that takes place in the
evening and morning hours. They must have flown well over 100
passengers this weekend, all without incident. Piet's are everywhere in
the air, touring the surrounding hills and fields, stacking themselves
up for landings, load up the next passenger and head out again. From
wee folks barely able to see over the side of the cockpit to NBA
candidates, they all wanted to fly in our favorite time machine. If you
have never seen a 6'5" frame fold itself into the front cockpit, well,
you are in for a treat! During the transition those tall, lanky frames
are as much hanging out between the struts and cabanes on one side as
the other.
But they all fit. And it made for a good comparison between the various
engines used. They all managed to lift themselves out of that grassy,
undulating pasture time and again. The Continental's have their
characteristic bark, the Model A's a soft, muted baritone at idle that
winds up to sound like a real airplane engine with a little throttle.
And the Corvairs, one with short stacks, the other with three into one
for each bank of cylinders, both sounding snarlingly impressive. After
watching all the flying over the weekend, I think proper exhaust systems
for any engine make it more pleasant for pilots, passengers and the
neighbors all around. Fit a muffler and really knock their socks off!
Friday night/Saturday morning saw the passage of a cold front that
revealed many weaknesses in the waterproofing of the assembled tents,
along with a little lightning and wind. Another benefit to our high
wing Piet's, you can hang more out to dry on those struts! We didn't
mind as it brought with it welcome cool weather and nice flying
conditions, especially by Saturday evening. Some names we are all
familiar with on the chat group showed their faces at Brodhead. Steve
E, Grant, Dominic, Ted and others. Orrin Hoopman and his large family
were well represented, as well as Vi Kapler. Saved myself some time and
bought Vi's aluminum tail hinge package, tested to over 500 lbs before
failure, some nice looking units that will need just a bit of
finishing. Even the missing William Wynne stopped by for a few hours to
say, yes, he is back from South America, doing well and has updates for
his Corvair package. Phone #'s he gave out are (500) 677-3794 and (904)
451-3676.
Well, that's enough description from this tired traveler. Air
conditioning at 36,000 is tough! Almost like those dedicated members of
the group that slugged their way to Brodhead and home again, crossing
thousands of miles one at a time from an altitude where each one of them
can be counted and felt in the posterior. From those of us that were
fortunate enough to be at Brodhead '99, a sincere "Thank-you" for
sharing your treasures with us. And for those who couldn't make it, the
tantalizing whisper of "Next year"!
Mike List
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Lund <malund(at)sprint.ca> |
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Soob powerd Aircampers. |
Steve wrote:
I have heard that some aircampers are flying with a direct drive EA-81.
If anyone is please email me and tell me how the performance is with two
grownups. (are any of us playen with airplanes growd up yet??)
Steve
__________
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| From: | Craig Lawler <clawler(at)ptd.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Soob powerd Aircampers. |
x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"
I missed the Piets at OSH. Got in Fri. night. Just Mike and Bill's Piets
were there. Should have gone down to Broadhead. Short on time. Had to be
back Sun. Next year it might be a good idea to just go to Broadhead.
Craig
July 12, 1999 - August 02, 1999
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