Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-bf
September 16, 1999 - September 23, 1999
steel
> >tube
> > > fuselage even) try the Hatz Biplane, you won't be sorry. If you need
> >more
> > > details I can supply them.
> > >
> > > Rob Passley
> > > NX338RP Hatz (in work)
> > > NX899R Pietenpol (in work)
> > >
> >
> >Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> >Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> >Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> ><http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
Steve E. was the star last eve on the hour EAA special. Good
job, Steve !!! They showed Randy Bruce's Piet (Capt. Buck Nekkid)
and Kim Stricker's GN-1, Wil Graff's Piet, Duane W.'s taxiing,
some air to air's of my Piet and an interview with Lowell Frank by
his Ford Piet. Neat stuff. They gave us about 3 minutes of coverage
I think. The tape will supposedly be for sale by EAA after Oct. 1st.
Mike C.
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Thanks Mike,
I haven't seen it yet, but now I'm really nervous. I hope I did good
representing our crowd, the interview was a total surprise, I hope I didn't
biff anything. My asked my brother to record it for me, hope to see it
soon....
Anxiously,
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Michael D Cuy
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 8:43 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Speedvision
>
>
> Steve E. was the star last eve on the hour EAA special. Good
> job, Steve !!! They showed Randy Bruce's Piet (Capt. Buck Nekkid)
> and Kim Stricker's GN-1, Wil Graff's Piet, Duane W.'s taxiing,
> some air to air's of my Piet and an interview with Lowell Frank by
> his Ford Piet. Neat stuff. They gave us about 3 minutes of coverage
> I think. The tape will supposedly be for sale by EAA after Oct. 1st.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
>
>Thanks Mike,
>
>I haven't seen it yet, but now I'm really nervous. I hope I did good
>representing our crowd, the interview was a total surprise, I hope I didn't
>biff anything. My asked my brother to record it for me, hope to see it
>soon....
>
>Anxiously,
>
>Steve Eldredge
>
Steve- you did an EXCELLENT job and the clips they used of your
interview captured the reasons we build and fly this 70 year old
design. You should be really pleased. Lowell Frank did a nice
job too describing why he builds and flies Pietenpols. Super !
Mike C.
Thanks Mike,
I haven't seen it yet, but now I'm really nervous. I hope I did
good
representing our crowd, the interview was a total surprise, I hope I
didn't
biff anything. My asked my brother to record it for me, hope to
see it
soon....
Anxiously,
Steve Eldredge
Steve- you did an EXCELLENT job and the clips they used of your
interview captured the reasons we build and fly this 70 year old
design. You should be really pleased. Lowell
Frank did a nice
job too describing why he builds and flies Pietenpols. Super
!
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Piet/Cub and DH-82 Tiger Moth |
Smithsonion Home Page Is
http://www.si.edu/newstart.htm
Have not found plans yet but Im in the area.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 7:23 AM
| Subject: | Re: Piet/Cub and DH-82 Tiger Moth |
> The Smithsonian always has an add running in Wooden Boat for information
> from their Marine Water Craft plans from the National WaterCraft
> Collection.Send a 10.00 check for a 250 page catalog. That must be a bunch
> of boat plans. So I suppoose they have something for aircraft. I think I
> will look on the net for something.
>
> try http://smithsonian-institution.com
>
> Probably .org or .gov
>
> Gordon
>
>
> > For moth plans,I'd write or e-mail the smithsonian in wash DC., or the
> > imperial war museum in england.
> >
> > From a corner of my mind, I seem to remember several ww1 biplanes made a
> few
> > miles from here, in Athol idaho, and the fellow got his plans from
> > smithsonian historical files.
> >
> > I just happen to have a 3 view newport 28 drawing on 1 sheet w/cover
off,
> > and all bulkheads +wings and ribs in scale. I almost think that I could
> > build a full scale airplane from just that sheet.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> > >Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >Subject: Re: Piet/Cub and DH-82 Tiger Moth
> > >Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:45:03 -0600 (MDT)
> > >
> > >I've also been following the Hatz pages quite closely. It's certainly a
> > >nice machine. However, the useful load is not as good with the Hatz and
> > >eventually, I'd like to have something to put on floats. The Tiger Moth
> > >makes a beutiful floatplane with about 650 lbs of useful load left
over,
> > >even on floats. My idea would be to put the greenhouse on it similar to
> > >the Canadian trainer version.
> > >
> > >Maybe it's a pipe dream, but I have been able to shake down a couple of
> > >leads. One of the Flying Farmers here in Alberta has one and may have
> > >drawings.
> > >
> > >Ken
> > >
> > >On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 RPas909040(at)aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > If you're looking for a wonderful, sweet-handling biplane (with a
> steel
> > >tube
> > > > fuselage even) try the Hatz Biplane, you won't be sorry. If you need
> > >more
> > > > details I can supply them.
> > > >
> > > > Rob Passley
> > > > NX338RP Hatz (in work)
> > > > NX899R Pietenpol (in work)
> > > >
> > >
> > >Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> > >Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> > >Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> > ><http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | Michael King <mikek(at)nstar.net> |
Gang,
A couple of weeks ago I posted the possibility
of a fly in of PIETS and GN-1s in the Lone
Star state. Many of you responded.
Well, the city of Burnet and its local Confederate
Air Force will hold an air show and exhibit Saturday,
October 9th. Burnet is located northwest of Austin.
The exact schedule of events will be forthcoming.
However, I need to know how many pilots / builders
would be interested in attending. Please let me know
who you are and if you plan to fly your PIET / GN-1
or drive to Burnet.
I will talk to the air show coordinator and let him know
what kind of participation he can expect. I think we could
get some decent media coverage with a good showing of
participants. A late 20-s - early 30's design airplane sitting
near World War II aircraft should make for interesting photos.
Please email or call (214) 905-9299.
Thanks...
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Dallas, Texas
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| From: | John Weikel <jandd(at)maverickbbs.com> |
| Subject: | Re: TEXAS FLY IN |
Mike,
Sounds good to me. I will try to be there but will be driving. Thanks for
the efforts at organizing something.
John W
Kerrville, Tx
RW-6
KR-2S
jandd(at)maverickbbs.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael King <mikek(at)nstar.net>
Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 10:08 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: TEXAS FLY IN
>Gang,
>
>A couple of weeks ago I posted the possibility
>of a fly in of PIETS and GN-1s in the Lone
>Star state. Many of you responded.
>
>Well, the city of Burnet and its local Confederate
>Air Force will hold an air show and exhibit Saturday,
>October 9th. Burnet is located northwest of Austin.
>
>The exact schedule of events will be forthcoming.
>However, I need to know how many pilots / builders
>would be interested in attending. Please let me know
>who you are and if you plan to fly your PIET / GN-1
>or drive to Burnet.
>
>I will talk to the air show coordinator and let him know
>what kind of participation he can expect. I think we could
>get some decent media coverage with a good showing of
>participants. A late 20-s - early 30's design airplane sitting
>near World War II aircraft should make for interesting photos.
>
>
>Please email or call (214) 905-9299.
>
>Thanks...
>
>Mike King
>GN-1
>77MK
>Dallas, Texas
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| From: | "David B. Schober" <dschober(at)mail.fscwv.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: center section cabane strut brackets: |
While looking at the center cabane fittings, look at the strut attach fittings
on the spars. I would strongly suggest that you redesign
them so they are aligned with the strut rather than intersecting at an accute angle
with the strut. The fittings as drawn introduce a
bending moment on the spar rather than distributing the load evenly.
Greg Cardinal wrote:
> I made the fittings using two u-shaped brackets. Mostly because I don't trust
my welding enough to depend on them to hold up the plane.
> Do the math on these fittings and you will see just how overbuilt a Pietenpol
is. Incredible!
>
> Greg Cardinal
>
> >>> Leon Stefan 09/15 5:31 PM >>>
> The plans for the upper cabane spar fittings as "U" channel made of 3/4
> X .90 strap, with 2 tab's welded below for the top of the cabane strut.
> Several people are telling that is wrong. Need to be 2 "U" channels
> welded together at crotch, one facing up the other down. What have you
> other builders done? Leon S.
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| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
Well, imagine my suprise last night when I sat down to watch SpeedVisions
coverage of OSH 99. Just before one of the commercials, they show this
pretty green and cream Piet and a familiar looking gentleman in front of
it talking to the interviewer. Yup, it was our very own Steve E. You did a
great job Steve. I have only ever seen one Piet in flight (OK, it was
really a GN-1) and thought it was great to see the the source of your
passions. There was also a nice interview with Nowell Frank. I recognized
several of the Piets from the web pages. There was also a short tribute to
Bernie and the design.
Unfortunately, I didn't think to tape it. Those things are usually a
little corny and tend to stick to the stuff that the general public finds
interesting. If I had known you guys were in it, I definitely would have
taped it!
Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
<http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
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| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
Oops, I see Mike has beat me to the punch. ;-)
Ken.
On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, Michael D Cuy wrote:
> Steve E. was the star last eve on the hour EAA special. Good
> job, Steve !!! They showed Randy Bruce's Piet (Capt. Buck Nekkid)
> and Kim Stricker's GN-1, Wil Graff's Piet, Duane W.'s taxiing,
> some air to air's of my Piet and an interview with Lowell Frank by
> his Ford Piet. Neat stuff. They gave us about 3 minutes of coverage
> I think. The tape will supposedly be for sale by EAA after Oct. 1st.
>
> Mike C.
>
Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
<http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
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| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harnesses and DH82a |
On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, John McNarry wrote:
> That's the way the Moth does it! by the way Bernard mentions copying the
> DeHavilland fuselage in his article in the Flying and Glider manual.
>
> J Mc
>
>
I guess I wasn't that far off topic after all ;-)
BTW, thanks everyone who has provided me with info on the DH-82. I have a
couple of really solid leads on where to get the plans.
Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
<http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
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| Subject: | wing spar fittings |
Not much has been said here about the wing spar fittings at the top of
the wing struts. On the Scout drawings the spar fitting sticks out
perpendiular to the spar. ALL these fittings should be in line with the
wing struts AT THE SAME ANGLE! I believe the Air Camper drawings show
them at at an angle but not in line with the struts. One of the guys
here mentioned this in passing but I think more attention needs brought
to it.
Earl Myers
Not much has been said here about
the wing spar
fittings at the top of the wing struts. On the Scout drawings the spar
fitting
sticks out perpendiular to the spar. ALL these fittings should be in
line with
the wing struts AT THE SAME ANGLE! I believe the Air Camper drawings
show them
at at an angle but not in line with the struts. One of the guys here
mentioned
this in passing but I think more attention needs brought to
it.
Earl
Myers
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| From: | Craig Lawler <clawler(at)ptd.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harnesses (front pit routing) |
x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"
Howard,
Thanks for the ideas on should harness routing. I have been flying my
Piet a lot. Lots of kids in the front seat. Should get setup with
shoulder straps in the front seat too. I even thought about fastening
them to the top of the vertical center struts. Kind of messy.
Craig
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| From: | LaurenMWilliams(at)webtv.net (Lauren Williams) |
| Subject: | Re: wing spar fittings |
The Citabria had problems with the straps at the outboard end of the
lift struts. An AD was issued and everyone had to change their straps.
They went to a channel shaped strap (always in line with the line of the
forces). Of course the Citabria is aerobatic and subjected to up to 3G
negative loads.
Lauren
mailsorter-101-2.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.adl.990907) with ESMTP
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:45:05 -0400
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| Subject: | wing spar fittings |
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Mercury MTS v1.44 (NDS)) (via Mercury MTS v1.44 (NDS)) (via Mercury
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Not much has been said here about the wing spar fittings at the top of
the wing struts. On the Scout drawings the spar fitting sticks out
perpendiular to the spar. ALL these fittings should be in line with the
wing struts AT THE SAME ANGLE! I believe the Air Camper drawings show
them at at an angle but not in line with the struts. One of the guys
here mentioned this in passing but I think more attention needs brought
to it.
Earl Myers
Not much has been said here about
the wing spar
fittings at the top of the wing struts. On the Scout drawings the spar
fitting
sticks out perpendiular to the spar. ALL these fittings should be in
line with
the wing struts AT THE SAME ANGLE! I believe the Air Camper drawings
show them
at at an angle but not in line with the struts. One of the guys here
mentioned
this in passing but I think more attention needs brought to
it.
Earl
Myers
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: wing spar fittings |
I was sort of ignoring this thread until I realized what it was about. The
Christavia also uses a C-chanel of 0.090 plate. there is only one chanel
per strut end and is located on the inboard faces of the spar. There is
also a 1/8" plate fitting that sits inside the chanel giving almost 1/4"
of metal holding on those struts. The outboard sides just have the 1/8"
fittings. The reasoning given by the designer was that in a hard landing,
the struts ends tend to be pushed apard and the fitting can actually be
bent as a restult. The chanel stiffens up the fitting.
Ken
On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, Lauren Williams wrote:
> The Citabria had problems with the straps at the outboard end of the
> lift struts. An AD was issued and everyone had to change their straps.
> They went to a channel shaped strap (always in line with the line of the
> forces). Of course the Citabria is aerobatic and subjected to up to 3G
> negative loads.
>
> Lauren
>
>
Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
<http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David Swagler <dswagler(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harnesses and DH82a |
>I have a
> couple of really solid leads on where to get the
> plans.
>
Ken, please let us all know what you find out.
dms
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| From: | BARNSTMR(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: TEXAS FLY IN |
In a message dated 9/16/99 10:09:49 AM Central Daylight Time, mikek(at)nstar.net
writes:
<< Well, the city of Burnet and its local Confederate
Air Force will hold an air show and exhibit Saturday,
October 9th. Burnet is located northwest of Austin. >>
Hey guys...
I just talked to my dad this morning and suggested the possibility of him
hosting a Piet gathering at his place...Deer Pature Airfield. Some of you
may have been there before but it is located just 12 miles North of Burnet on
Hwy 281. He wasn't objectionable to it at all, but we didn't discuss it any
further. Now that you have a date in mind, I will run it past him. His only
reservation might be that he can't really do a lot of preparation on the
place or provide much in the way of transportation arrangements or food,
etc...because hes getting less mobile with his age.
We held many fly-ins at Deer Pasture in the 1980s. Its a perfect Piet field.
It is 2000 ft grass with restroom facilities. My dad keeps his 1929 Curtiss
Robin and his 1936 Waco there. Perhaps Deer Pasture could be a Piet campsight
during the weekend....and a good place to get away from the warbird activity.
I will see what I can work out with him and let you guys know.
Unfortunately, I live in Kansas...but i just may have to make the trip down
for that weekend.....Terry B.
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| Subject: | Re: TEXAS FLY IN |
stop sending this junk
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| Subject: | Re: TEXAS FLY IN |
stopsending this junk
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harnesses and DH82a |
Gents;
...used to belong to the Tiger Moth Club of England......flew the red one
at Rhinebeck, what a hoot! Their publication is EXCELLENT ref anything Moth
but it is stuffy! They, the Brits, claim the prints exist but are hard to
get (good 'ole boy syndrome). Go to the the everloving Canadians for their
help as they built them too, the DH82c. Someone up there knows where to get
them from Dehaviland/ Canada. There is a Moth group up in Ontario just
accrossed the lake here (Lake Erie). There is a well known Piet there too,
Brian Kenney ??? I am conjuring all this from 15 year old memory as I
go....Earl Myers
PS: ...was tracking down Curtiss Jenny plans sometime ago. The Canadians
bent over backwards to help and came thru, the Yanks, NOT! Their Museums all
have websites and they DO answer e-mail directly. Wonderfull people to work
with, we ought to adopt all of them!
-----Original Message-----
From: David Swagler <dswagler(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 12:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shoulder Harnesses and DH82a
>>I have a
>> couple of really solid leads on where to get the
>> plans.
>>
>
>Ken, please let us all know what you find out.
>
>dms
>
>
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| From: | Michael King <mikek(at)nstar.net> |
| Subject: | Re: TEXAS FLY IN |
Terry,
I saw both of your dad's planes at the Dallas
Air Show this past weekend. Beautiful
restoration. By the way, I heard the Waco is
for sale.
Keep us informed.....
Mike K.
Dallas
>In a message dated 9/16/99 10:09:49 AM Central Daylight Time,
mikek(at)nstar.net
>writes:
>
><< Well, the city of Burnet and its local Confederate
> Air Force will hold an air show and exhibit Saturday,
> October 9th. Burnet is located northwest of Austin. >>
>
>Hey guys...
>
>I just talked to my dad this morning and suggested the possibility of him
>hosting a Piet gathering at his place...Deer Pature Airfield. Some of you
>may have been there before but it is located just 12 miles North of Burnet
on
>Hwy 281. He wasn't objectionable to it at all, but we didn't discuss it any
>further. Now that you have a date in mind, I will run it past him. His only
>reservation might be that he can't really do a lot of preparation on the
>place or provide much in the way of transportation arrangements or food,
>etc...because hes getting less mobile with his age.
>
>We held many fly-ins at Deer Pasture in the 1980s. Its a perfect Piet
field.
> It is 2000 ft grass with restroom facilities. My dad keeps his 1929
Curtiss
>Robin and his 1936 Waco there. Perhaps Deer Pasture could be a Piet
campsight
>during the weekend....and a good place to get away from the warbird
activity.
> I will see what I can work out with him and let you guys know.
>
>Unfortunately, I live in Kansas...but i just may have to make the trip down
>for that weekend.....Terry B.
>
>
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| From: | Mike Cunningham <mikec(at)microlandusa.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Instructor in a Piet (low and slow)... |
David, I have to disagree with your interpretation of this law and I think
that your item number three is the
key. The law is written with the experimental aircraft and the aircraft
owner/operator as the entity concerned. The law addresses what the aircraft
owner/operator may do with the aircraft, and says that he cannot be
compensated for the operation of the aircraft. When the aircraft owner hires
a flight intructor he is not being compensated by the intructor, just the
opposite. "Carrying persons or property for compensation" does not mean
"compensating persons or property for being carried". The flight instructor
is not paying for the services of the aircraft and no one is being
compensated for the operation of the aircraft.
You state "It is not people doing the carrying, but the aircraft". You are
right, and again, the aircraft and compensation for it's use is what the law
is concerned with.
Your interpretation of this law would have a negative impact from a safety
standpoint. It would prevent
the experimental aircraft owner with a pilot rating from receiving
professional instruction in the aircraft he flys most, and in most cases,
the only aircraft he flys. It would prevent him taking his biennial in the
airplane he
flys and it would prevent him from taking any "brush-up" dual time if he's
feeling rusty. I don't think the FAA ever discourages dual time.
Certainly an instructor using his own experimental aircraft to charge for
intruction in (supposedly without
charge for the aircraft) might be pushing the law. For the experimental
owner who wants dual intruction the intent of the law is very clear.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: David Scott
Date: Monday, September 13, 1999 3:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Instructor in a Piet (low and slow)...
>Sec. 91.319 Aircraft having experimental certificates: Operating
limitations.
>
> (a) No person may operate an aircraft that has an experimental
>certificate--
> (2) Carrying persons or property for compensation or hire.
>
>1. NO EXCEPTIONS ON WHO
>
> First, the regulation says "No Person" which specifically means
> without exception regarding owner, operator, pilot in command,
> instructor pilot, etc ....
>
>2. AIRCRAFT OPERATION W/O EXCEPTION OF PURPOSE
>
> Second, the regulation states "an aircraft that has
> an experimental ceritificate" which specifically means any aircraft
> which has the certification under "experimental." Nothing is
> excluded concerning operations such as instruction.
>
>3. AIRCRAFT DOES THE CARRYING
>
> Third, the statement is "carrying persons or property for
compensation..."
> It is not the people doing the carrying, but the aircraft. English
language
> construction can be confusing, but people operate, aircraft carry...
>
>4. COMPENSATION OR HIRE - EXCLUDES NOTHING
>
> Forth, the "for compensation or hire" does not exclude who or what
> or how the compensation is obtained. If the compensation is
dependent
> on aircraft operation, the regulation does not exclude any operations
> for compensation purposes. It is without exception regardless of
> operation types or purpose.
>
>I hope this helps. The ultimate test is at an NTSB hearing with the FAA
>working towards a suspension ruling.
>
>David Scott 13 Sep 99 15:20
>
>P.S. Incidently, in response to commercial licensing, all of this comes
from
>my understandings while gaining my certificate from the FAA FSDO office.
>You might notice that for the "carrying persons or property for
compensation or hire" applies
>to standard certificated aircraft requirements also. There is to be a
100hr
>inspection met for any carrying of persons or property for hire. So, the
age old
>question popped for the instructor taking the oral exam is: Can an
instructor
>charge for instruction in an aircraft which does not meet the 100hr
inspection
>requirement?
>
>
>>
>> Subject: Re: Instructor in a Piet (low and slow)...
>> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 22:18:53 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Gary Meadows <gwmeadows(at)hotmail.com>
>> Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>
>> David,
>>
>> I guess I don't see how 91.319 prohibits a flight instructor from being
>> paid for his services in a Pietenpol. The "for compensation or hire"
refers
>> to providing transportation of passengers, or property. This was dealt
with
>> in all the Commercial Pilot Certificatef we had to learn, "holding
yourself
>> out for hire" and all that. An instrucional flight doesn't have this as
it's
>> purpose. A CFI isn't being paid to be PIC, just to instruct.
>>
>> I don't see the hard facts in 91.319 for preventing paid instruction in
an
>> experimental. I do agree however, it's very wise to investigate for
>> yourself, things that you see on discussion groups.
>>
>> Now, as for Berea, isn't that the tarpits in southern California:-)
>>
>> Gary Meadows
>> Agreeing to Disagree:-)
>>
>
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| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
>Oops, I see Mike has beat me to the punch. ;-)
>
>Ken.
Ken- It's great to see you watched too.....and guess
what ? You CAN tape it because according to the Speedvision
Web page schdule it is to air again this Saturday 12 pm Eastern.
What a cool shot of Steve's Air Camper on the ground....it looks
like they laid the camera on the ground and shot up at his fuse/wings.
Mike C.
PS- STEVE's HAT was on TOO during the interview. His hats have
made it on Speedvision !!!!! (I even got to shake his hand at Osh :))
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| From: | Mike Cunningham <mikec(at)microlandusa.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: Instructor in a Piet (low and slow)... |
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Cunningham <mikec(at)microlandusa.com>
Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 12:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Instructor in a Piet (low and slow)...
>David, I have to disagree with your interpretation of this law and I think
>that your item number three is the
>key. The law is written with the experimental aircraft and the aircraft
>owner/operator as the entity concerned. The law addresses what the aircraft
>owner/operator may do with the aircraft, and says that he cannot be
>compensated for the operation of the aircraft. When the aircraft owner
hires
>a flight intructor he is not being compensated by the intructor, just the
>opposite. "Carrying persons or property for compensation" does not mean
>"compensating persons or property for being carried". The flight
instructor
>is not paying for the services of the aircraft and no one is being
>compensated for the operation of the aircraft.
>You state "It is not people doing the carrying, but the aircraft". You are
>right, and again, the aircraft and compensation for it's use is what the
law
>is concerned with.
>
>Your interpretation of this law would have a negative impact from a safety
>standpoint. It would prevent
>the experimental aircraft owner with a pilot rating from receiving
>professional instruction in the aircraft he flys most, and in most cases,
>the only aircraft he flys. It would prevent him taking his biennial in the
>airplane he
>flys and it would prevent him from taking any "brush-up" dual time if he's
>feeling rusty. I don't think the FAA ever discourages dual time.
>
>Certainly an instructor using his own experimental aircraft to charge for
>intruction in (supposedly without
>charge for the aircraft) might be pushing the law. For the experimental
>owner who wants dual intruction the intent of the law is very clear.
>
>Mike
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Scott
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Monday, September 13, 1999 3:35 PM
>Subject: Re: Instructor in a Piet (low and slow)...
>
>
>>Sec. 91.319 Aircraft having experimental certificates: Operating
>limitations.
>>
>> (a) No person may operate an aircraft that has an experimental
>>certificate--
>> (2) Carrying persons or property for compensation or hire.
>>
>>1. NO EXCEPTIONS ON WHO
>>
>> First, the regulation says "No Person" which specifically means
>> without exception regarding owner, operator, pilot in command,
>> instructor pilot, etc ....
>>
>>2. AIRCRAFT OPERATION W/O EXCEPTION OF PURPOSE
>>
>> Second, the regulation states "an aircraft that has
>> an experimental ceritificate" which specifically means any aircraft
>> which has the certification under "experimental." Nothing is
>> excluded concerning operations such as instruction.
>>
>>3. AIRCRAFT DOES THE CARRYING
>>
>> Third, the statement is "carrying persons or property for
>compensation..."
>> It is not the people doing the carrying, but the aircraft. English
>language
>> construction can be confusing, but people operate, aircraft carry...
>>
>>4. COMPENSATION OR HIRE - EXCLUDES NOTHING
>>
>> Forth, the "for compensation or hire" does not exclude who or what
>> or how the compensation is obtained. If the compensation is
>dependent
>> on aircraft operation, the regulation does not exclude any operations
>> for compensation purposes. It is without exception regardless of
>> operation types or purpose.
>>
>>I hope this helps. The ultimate test is at an NTSB hearing with the FAA
>>working towards a suspension ruling.
>>
>>David Scott 13 Sep 99 15:20
>>
>>P.S. Incidently, in response to commercial licensing, all of this comes
>from
>>my understandings while gaining my certificate from the FAA FSDO office.
>>You might notice that for the "carrying persons or property for
>compensation or hire" applies
>>to standard certificated aircraft requirements also. There is to be a
>100hr
>>inspection met for any carrying of persons or property for hire. So, the
>age old
>>question popped for the instructor taking the oral exam is: Can an
>instructor
>>charge for instruction in an aircraft which does not meet the 100hr
>inspection
>>requirement?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: Instructor in a Piet (low and slow)...
>>> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 22:18:53 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: Gary Meadows <gwmeadows(at)hotmail.com>
>>> Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> I guess I don't see how 91.319 prohibits a flight instructor from
being
>>> paid for his services in a Pietenpol. The "for compensation or hire"
>refers
>>> to providing transportation of passengers, or property. This was dealt
>with
>>> in all the Commercial Pilot Certificatef we had to learn, "holding
>yourself
>>> out for hire" and all that. An instrucional flight doesn't have this as
>it's
>>> purpose. A CFI isn't being paid to be PIC, just to instruct.
>>>
>>> I don't see the hard facts in 91.319 for preventing paid instruction
in
>an
>>> experimental. I do agree however, it's very wise to investigate for
>>> yourself, things that you see on discussion groups.
>>>
>>> Now, as for Berea, isn't that the tarpits in southern California:-)
>>>
>>> Gary Meadows
>>> Agreeing to Disagree:-)
>>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>---------1---------2---------3---------4---------5---------6---------7
>>
>>/--------------------\ |~~\_____/~~\__ |
>>|scott(at)haulpak.com | o' ~~\|~~~ |
>>
>>
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harnesses and DH82a |
Thanks for wanting to adopt us. I tried to get plans out of DHC when I
worked for a customer of thiers, City Express. Unfortunately, all of the
drawings had been sent for archiving to England, so I was told. Canadian
Warplane Heritage got back to me and were willing to help if I went to
Hamilton, a 3 days drive from here. Personallt, I prefer the DH-82c model
as it was the Canadian model and sported an enclosed, sliding canopy. I
have found someone in Montreal that's willing to sell me a set of plans
for $200 CDN. It's a 22 drawing set that looks relatively complete.
We also have a local Aerospace museum here in Calgary as well as another
in Nanton and Westaskiwan, AB. Also, there is a member of the "Flying
Farmers" antique airplane club that is supposed to have a Tiger Moth here
in Alberta. Once I started digging, things started turning up. I even
found a batch of 8 DH-82's disassembled for $163,000. As for buying one,
they are a little out of my price range. Even basket cases are fetching
$30,000 USD. Good ones seem to be $60K USD +. Even with a new LOM engine,
I could get a scratchbuilt one in the air for around the $20K - $25 K USD
and it would be a NEW plane. But I don't need to explain the virtues of
building your own plane to this venue ;-)
On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, Earl Myers wrote:
> Gents;
> ...used to belong to the Tiger Moth Club of England......flew the red one
> at Rhinebeck, what a hoot! Their publication is EXCELLENT ref anything Moth
> but it is stuffy! They, the Brits, claim the prints exist but are hard to
> get (good 'ole boy syndrome). Go to the the everloving Canadians for their
> help as they built them too, the DH82c. Someone up there knows where to get
> them from Dehaviland/ Canada. There is a Moth group up in Ontario just
> accrossed the lake here (Lake Erie). There is a well known Piet there too,
> Brian Kenney ??? I am conjuring all this from 15 year old memory as I
> go....Earl Myers
>
> PS: ...was tracking down Curtiss Jenny plans sometime ago. The Canadians
> bent over backwards to help and came thru, the Yanks, NOT! Their Museums all
> have websites and they DO answer e-mail directly. Wonderfull people to work
> with, we ought to adopt all of them!
Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
<http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John R Bayer <jrbayer2(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet/Cub and DH-82 Tiger Moth |
All their aircraft drawings come with the stipulation that you will never
build a man-carrying aircraft!
John Bayer
The First Across Organization
"http://firstacross.hypermart.net/nc4home.htm"
writes:
>The Smithsonian always has an add running in Wooden Boat for
>information
>from their Marine Water Craft plans from the National WaterCraft
>Collection.Send a 10.00 check for a 250 page catalog. That must be a
>bunch
>of boat plans. So I suppoose they have something for aircraft. I
>think I
>will look on the net for something.
>
>try http://smithsonian-institution.com
>
>Probably .org or .gov
>
>Gordon
>
>
>> For moth plans,I'd write or e-mail the smithsonian in wash DC., or
>the
>> imperial war museum in england.
>>
>> From a corner of my mind, I seem to remember several ww1 biplanes
>made a
>few
>> miles from here, in Athol idaho, and the fellow got his plans from
>> smithsonian historical files.
>>
>> I just happen to have a 3 view newport 28 drawing on 1 sheet w/cover
>off,
>> and all bulkheads +wings and ribs in scale. I almost think that I
>could
>> build a full scale airplane from just that sheet.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
>> >Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> >Subject: Re: Piet/Cub and DH-82 Tiger Moth
>> >Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:45:03 -0600 (MDT)
>> >
>> >I've also been following the Hatz pages quite closely. It's
>certainly a
>> >nice machine. However, the useful load is not as good with the Hatz
>and
>> >eventually, I'd like to have something to put on floats. The Tiger
>Moth
>> >makes a beutiful floatplane with about 650 lbs of useful load left
>over,
>> >even on floats. My idea would be to put the greenhouse on it
>similar to
>> >the Canadian trainer version.
>> >
>> >Maybe it's a pipe dream, but I have been able to shake down a
>couple of
>> >leads. One of the Flying Farmers here in Alberta has one and may
>have
>> >drawings.
>> >
>> >Ken
>> >
>> >On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 RPas909040(at)aol.com wrote:
>> >
>> > > If you're looking for a wonderful, sweet-handling biplane (with
>a
>steel
>> >tube
>> > > fuselage even) try the Hatz Biplane, you won't be sorry. If you
>need
>> >more
>> > > details I can supply them.
>> > >
>> > > Rob Passley
>> > > NX338RP Hatz (in work)
>> > > NX899R Pietenpol (in work)
>> > >
>> >
>> >Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
>> >Calgary, Alberta, Canada
>> >Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
>> ><http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: center section cabane strut brackets: |
If you are building the long fuselage, there is an improved print that has
the new wing spar fittings to allign with the spars, right on that print.
walt
-----Original Message-----
From: David B. Schober <dschober(at)mail.fscwv.edu>
Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 11:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: center section cabane strut brackets:
>While looking at the center cabane fittings, look at the strut attach
fittings on the spars. I would strongly suggest that you redesign
>them so they are aligned with the strut rather than intersecting at an
accute angle with the strut. The fittings as drawn introduce a
>bending moment on the spar rather than distributing the load evenly.
>
>Greg Cardinal wrote:
>
>> I made the fittings using two u-shaped brackets. Mostly because I don't
trust my welding enough to depend on them to hold up the plane.
>> Do the math on these fittings and you will see just how overbuilt a
Pietenpol is. Incredible!
>>
>> Greg Cardinal
>>
>> >>> Leon Stefan 09/15 5:31 PM >>>
>> The plans for the upper cabane spar fittings as "U" channel made of 3/4
>> X .90 strap, with 2 tab's welded below for the top of the cabane strut.
>> Several people are telling that is wrong. Need to be 2 "U" channels
>> welded together at crotch, one facing up the other down. What have you
>> other builders done? Leon S.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John R Bayer <jrbayer2(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harnesses and DH82a |
Here's a copy of what I just sent to Ken:
Check out my page at: "http://firstacross.hypermart.net/nc4home.htm" for
a
> little more of my background and my BIG project.
>
> If you want to start into Tiger Moth building and selling, consider
this:
>
> EIGHT (8) DH 82 TIGER MOTHS FOR SALE!! PLUS APPROXIMATELY 4 TONS OF
SPARE
> PARTS. This is a rare opportunity to purchase the last large batch of
Tiger
> Moths and spares left. All 8 Tiger Moths are ex-RAF, then to India and
back
> again. They were flying up into the 1970's under a full factory
recommended
> maintenance program, then disassembled and placed in storage. All have
> logbooks and wartime history. Spares include a full range of airframe
and
> engine parts, nearly all "NOS" material. Fuselage frame sections, oil
tanks,
> spars, ribs, 8 extra engines, etc. Shipping available. Inspection
anytime.
> $163,000.00. Contact Jim Pearce in England at telephone # 44 1903
691346
> -or- Mike Walton located USA. Telephone: 480-515-4575. Fax:
480-515-0442. --
> Posted: 7/8/99
>
Go to:
> "http://www.barnstormers.com/ABC/ABC9900/dh829900.html" for more Tiger
Moth
> Planes and parts for sale!
>
> Here's a plans source I found last month:
>
> VERBATIM:
> "Hi John,
>
> The entire package is available for $200 (Canadian). The package
consists of
> 35 high quality copies (18" x 16") of original factory drawings, plus
the
> Maintenance and Repair Manual (in 8" x 11" photocopy form). Shipping is
> extra, as I leave it to you to chose the method.
>
> I'm including the list of drawings for you here. If you have any
questions
> I'll be happy to answer them.
>
> Regards
>
> Michael Flahault
>
>
>
> de Havilland DH82A Tiger Moth factory drawings
>
> (The letter "G.A." in front of a title stands for General Arrangement)
>
> 1. G.A. of DH82A
> 2. G.A. of DH82A (2ndpage)
> 3. Assembly of top plane
> 4. Assembly of bottom plane
> 5. Rudder
> 6. Fin
> 7. Assembly of tail plane
> 8. Tail skid
> 9. Engine cowling
> 10. Assembly of front and rear interplane struts
> 11. G.A. of fuselage top cowlings
> 12. G.A. of fuselage top cowlings (2nd page)
> 13. Assembly of top center section
> 14. Fuselage complete
> 15. G.A. flying controls in fuselage
> 16. G.A. flying controls in fuselage (2nd page)
> 17. Assembly of controls box
> 18. Covering of control box
> 19. Engine mounting, side view
> 20. Instrument panel dimensions
> 21. Arrangement of instrument rev. drives etc. (instrument wiring,
plumbing,
> etc)
> 22. Auto slots, top plane
> 23. Arrangement of auto slots catch
> 24. Arrangement of slot locking gear in cockpits
> 25. Oil tank (2.25 gal) (Gipsy III MJR)
> 26. Oil tank (2.25 gal) (Gipsy III MJR) (2nd page)
> 27. Oil tank bulkhead
> 28. Petrol tank (19 gal)
> 29. Petrol tank (19 gal)(2nd page)
> 30. Arrangement of split axle chassis (undercarriage)
> 31. Arrangement of dual cockpit tail trim controls
> 32. Arrangement of dual cockpit tail trim controls (2nd page)
> 33. Engine controls
> 34. Fuselage before covering
> 35. Fuselage cowling conversion
>
> Also available: Maintenance and Repair Manual, which contains a further
55
> drawings and diagrams (approx.) and 50 pages of written info.
>
>
> ----------
writes:
>>I have a
>> couple of really solid leads on where to get the
>> plans.
>>
>
>Ken, please let us all know what you find out.
>
>dms
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harnesses and DH82a |
I was all over the Smithsonian web site and never found a place for aircraft
plans, I did get into the gallery and downloaded some nice pictures,
Wright Flyer
Anola Gay
Genny Postage stamp with genny upside down
Now Moth unless you go to the Bug section
Maybe I look some more. A letter may be answered if you send one.
Do U have a web site address for the canadians?
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 10:02 AM
| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harnesses and DH82a |
> Gents;
> ...used to belong to the Tiger Moth Club of England......flew the red one
> at Rhinebeck, what a hoot! Their publication is EXCELLENT ref anything
Moth
> but it is stuffy! They, the Brits, claim the prints exist but are hard to
> get (good 'ole boy syndrome). Go to the the everloving Canadians for their
> help as they built them too, the DH82c. Someone up there knows where to
get
> them from Dehaviland/ Canada. There is a Moth group up in Ontario just
> accrossed the lake here (Lake Erie). There is a well known Piet there too,
> Brian Kenney ??? I am conjuring all this from 15 year old memory as I
> go....Earl Myers
>
> PS: ...was tracking down Curtiss Jenny plans sometime ago. The Canadians
> bent over backwards to help and came thru, the Yanks, NOT! Their Museums
all
> have websites and they DO answer e-mail directly. Wonderfull people to
work
> with, we ought to adopt all of them!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Swagler <dswagler(at)yahoo.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 12:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Shoulder Harnesses and DH82a
>
>
> >>I have a
> >> couple of really solid leads on where to get the
> >> plans.
> >>
> >
> >Ken, please let us all know what you find out.
> >
> >dms
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Burroughs <glenn(at)sysweb.com> |
| Subject: | Is Titebond II OK? |
Hello All,
My friend has ordered the wood for the fuselage, but we cannot find T-88
glue locally. Have been told that Titebond II will do just as good.
Any comments?
Many thanks, Glenn
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet/Cub and DH-82 Tiger Moth |
The Smithsonian does have a large collection of Aircraft plans housed at
the Paul E. Garber (SPELLING?) facelity in Silver Spring MD.
Gordon Brimhall wrote:
>
> The Smithsonian always has an add running in Wooden Boat for information
> from their Marine Water Craft plans from the National WaterCraft
> Collection.Send a 10.00 check for a 250 page catalog. That must be a bunch
> of boat plans. So I suppoose they have something for aircraft. I think I
> will look on the net for something.
>
> try http://smithsonian-institution.com
>
> Probably .org or .gov
>
> Gordon
>
> > For moth plans,I'd write or e-mail the smithsonian in wash DC., or the
> > imperial war museum in england.
> >
> > From a corner of my mind, I seem to remember several ww1 biplanes made a
> few
> > miles from here, in Athol idaho, and the fellow got his plans from
> > smithsonian historical files.
> >
> > I just happen to have a 3 view newport 28 drawing on 1 sheet w/cover off,
> > and all bulkheads +wings and ribs in scale. I almost think that I could
> > build a full scale airplane from just that sheet.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> > >Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >Subject: Re: Piet/Cub and DH-82 Tiger Moth
> > >Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:45:03 -0600 (MDT)
> > >
> > >I've also been following the Hatz pages quite closely. It's certainly a
> > >nice machine. However, the useful load is not as good with the Hatz and
> > >eventually, I'd like to have something to put on floats. The Tiger Moth
> > >makes a beutiful floatplane with about 650 lbs of useful load left over,
> > >even on floats. My idea would be to put the greenhouse on it similar to
> > >the Canadian trainer version.
> > >
> > >Maybe it's a pipe dream, but I have been able to shake down a couple of
> > >leads. One of the Flying Farmers here in Alberta has one and may have
> > >drawings.
> > >
> > >Ken
> > >
> > >On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 RPas909040(at)aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > If you're looking for a wonderful, sweet-handling biplane (with a
> steel
> > >tube
> > > > fuselage even) try the Hatz Biplane, you won't be sorry. If you need
> > >more
> > > > details I can supply them.
> > > >
> > > > Rob Passley
> > > > NX338RP Hatz (in work)
> > > > NX899R Pietenpol (in work)
> > > >
> > >
> > >Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> > >Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> > >Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> > ><http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harnesses and DH82a |
And, as if on queue, I just got an e-mail from the Canadiam Museum of
Flight in Langley, British Columbia that not only offered me copies of the
plans (for a price, of course), but also told me of one of thier museum
members that HAS BUILT A DH-82C HOMEBUILT! Gott love it. They are going to
get me in contact with him. They are only a 10 hr drive away and would be
worth the visit!
Ken
Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
<http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Piet/Cub and DH-82 Tiger Moth |
Well most other plans have some disclaimer too. How many have you seen
saying they are for educational learning only.?
They are just covering their Butt.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John R Bayer <jrbayer2(at)juno.com> |
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 12:05 PM
| Subject: | Re: Piet/Cub and DH-82 Tiger Moth |
> All their aircraft drawings come with the stipulation that you will never
> build a man-carrying aircraft!
>
> John Bayer
> The First Across Organization
> "http://firstacross.hypermart.net/nc4home.htm"
>
>
> writes:
> >The Smithsonian always has an add running in Wooden Boat for
> >information
> >from their Marine Water Craft plans from the National WaterCraft
> >Collection.Send a 10.00 check for a 250 page catalog. That must be a
> >bunch
> >of boat plans. So I suppoose they have something for aircraft. I
> >think I
> >will look on the net for something.
> >
> >try http://smithsonian-institution.com
> >
> >Probably .org or .gov
> >
> >Gordon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> For moth plans,I'd write or e-mail the smithsonian in wash DC., or
> >the
> >> imperial war museum in england.
> >>
> >> From a corner of my mind, I seem to remember several ww1 biplanes
> >made a
> >few
> >> miles from here, in Athol idaho, and the fellow got his plans from
> >> smithsonian historical files.
> >>
> >> I just happen to have a 3 view newport 28 drawing on 1 sheet w/cover
> >off,
> >> and all bulkheads +wings and ribs in scale. I almost think that I
> >could
> >> build a full scale airplane from just that sheet.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> >> >Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> >Subject: Re: Piet/Cub and DH-82 Tiger Moth
> >> >Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:45:03 -0600 (MDT)
> >> >
> >> >I've also been following the Hatz pages quite closely. It's
> >certainly a
> >> >nice machine. However, the useful load is not as good with the Hatz
> >and
> >> >eventually, I'd like to have something to put on floats. The Tiger
> >Moth
> >> >makes a beutiful floatplane with about 650 lbs of useful load left
> >over,
> >> >even on floats. My idea would be to put the greenhouse on it
> >similar to
> >> >the Canadian trainer version.
> >> >
> >> >Maybe it's a pipe dream, but I have been able to shake down a
> >couple of
> >> >leads. One of the Flying Farmers here in Alberta has one and may
> >have
> >> >drawings.
> >> >
> >> >Ken
> >> >
> >> >On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 RPas909040(at)aol.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > If you're looking for a wonderful, sweet-handling biplane (with
> >a
> >steel
> >> >tube
> >> > > fuselage even) try the Hatz Biplane, you won't be sorry. If you
> >need
> >> >more
> >> > > details I can supply them.
> >> > >
> >> > > Rob Passley
> >> > > NX338RP Hatz (in work)
> >> > > NX899R Pietenpol (in work)
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> >> >Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> >> >Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> >> ><http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Piet/Cub and DH-82 Tiger Moth |
So where do we send to for information as you must know?
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John R Bayer <jrbayer2(at)juno.com> |
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 12:05 PM
| Subject: | Re: Piet/Cub and DH-82 Tiger Moth |
> All their aircraft drawings come with the stipulation that you will never
> build a man-carrying aircraft!
>
> John Bayer
> The First Across Organization
> "http://firstacross.hypermart.net/nc4home.htm"
>
>
> writes:
> >The Smithsonian always has an add running in Wooden Boat for
> >information
> >from their Marine Water Craft plans from the National WaterCraft
> >Collection.Send a 10.00 check for a 250 page catalog. That must be a
> >bunch
> >of boat plans. So I suppoose they have something for aircraft. I
> >think I
> >will look on the net for something.
> >
> >try http://smithsonian-institution.com
> >
> >Probably .org or .gov
> >
> >Gordon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> For moth plans,I'd write or e-mail the smithsonian in wash DC., or
> >the
> >> imperial war museum in england.
> >>
> >> From a corner of my mind, I seem to remember several ww1 biplanes
> >made a
> >few
> >> miles from here, in Athol idaho, and the fellow got his plans from
> >> smithsonian historical files.
> >>
> >> I just happen to have a 3 view newport 28 drawing on 1 sheet w/cover
> >off,
> >> and all bulkheads +wings and ribs in scale. I almost think that I
> >could
> >> build a full scale airplane from just that sheet.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> >> >Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> >Subject: Re: Piet/Cub and DH-82 Tiger Moth
> >> >Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:45:03 -0600 (MDT)
> >> >
> >> >I've also been following the Hatz pages quite closely. It's
> >certainly a
> >> >nice machine. However, the useful load is not as good with the Hatz
> >and
> >> >eventually, I'd like to have something to put on floats. The Tiger
> >Moth
> >> >makes a beutiful floatplane with about 650 lbs of useful load left
> >over,
> >> >even on floats. My idea would be to put the greenhouse on it
> >similar to
> >> >the Canadian trainer version.
> >> >
> >> >Maybe it's a pipe dream, but I have been able to shake down a
> >couple of
> >> >leads. One of the Flying Farmers here in Alberta has one and may
> >have
> >> >drawings.
> >> >
> >> >Ken
> >> >
> >> >On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 RPas909040(at)aol.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > If you're looking for a wonderful, sweet-handling biplane (with
> >a
> >steel
> >> >tube
> >> > > fuselage even) try the Hatz Biplane, you won't be sorry. If you
> >need
> >> >more
> >> > > details I can supply them.
> >> > >
> >> > > Rob Passley
> >> > > NX338RP Hatz (in work)
> >> > > NX899R Pietenpol (in work)
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> >> >Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> >> >Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> >> ><http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A Star is born |
Hey Guys: If anyone does get this on tape I will gladly pay for a copy,
My cable company does not carry Speedvision they claim not enough
channel space, Itold them to drop one of the 6 or 7 home shopping
channels (fat chance). I would love to see the show.
John Duprey
Ken Beanlands wrote:
>
> Well, imagine my suprise last night when I sat down to watch SpeedVisions
> coverage of OSH 99. Just before one of the commercials, they show this
> pretty green and cream Piet and a familiar looking gentleman in front of
> it talking to the interviewer. Yup, it was our very own Steve E. You did a
> great job Steve. I have only ever seen one Piet in flight (OK, it was
> really a GN-1) and thought it was great to see the the source of your
> passions. There was also a nice interview with Nowell Frank. I recognized
> several of the Piets from the web pages. There was also a short tribute to
> Bernie and the design.
>
> Unfortunately, I didn't think to tape it. Those things are usually a
> little corny and tend to stick to the stuff that the general public finds
> interesting. If I had known you guys were in it, I definitely would have
> taped it!
>
> Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Weikel <jandd(at)maverickbbs.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Is Titebond II OK? |
Where are you located? I got my T-88 delivered right to my shop door by UPS
along with most of the rest of my plane.
John W
Kerrville, Tx
-----Original Message-----
From: Burroughs <glenn(at)sysweb.com>
Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 3:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is Titebond II OK?
>Hello All,
>
>My friend has ordered the wood for the fuselage, but we cannot find T-88
>glue locally. Have been told that Titebond II will do just as good.
>
>Any comments?
>
>Many thanks, Glenn
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: A Star is born |
My brother got it on tape. If I can get it to copy I'll pass it around.
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> John Duprey
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 2:05 PM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: A Star is born
>
>
> Hey Guys: If anyone does get this on tape I will gladly pay
> for a copy,
> My cable company does not carry Speedvision they claim not enough
> channel space, Itold them to drop one of the 6 or 7 home shopping
> channels (fat chance). I would love to see the show.
>
> John Duprey
>
> Ken Beanlands wrote:
> >
> > Well, imagine my suprise last night when I sat down to
> watch SpeedVisions
> > coverage of OSH 99. Just before one of the commercials,
> they show this
> > pretty green and cream Piet and a familiar looking
> gentleman in front of
> > it talking to the interviewer. Yup, it was our very own
> Steve E. You did a
> > great job Steve. I have only ever seen one Piet in flight
> (OK, it was
> > really a GN-1) and thought it was great to see the the
> source of your
> > passions. There was also a nice interview with Nowell
> Frank. I recognized
> > several of the Piets from the web pages. There was also a
> short tribute to
> > Bernie and the design.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I didn't think to tape it. Those things are usually a
> > little corny and tend to stick to the stuff that the
> general public finds
> > interesting. If I had known you guys were in it, I
> definitely would have
> > taped it!
> >
> > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> > Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> > Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> > <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David Swagler <dswagler(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harnesses and DH82a |
Ken,
Did they quote you a price?
dms
--- Ken Beanlands wrote:
> And, as if on queue, I just got an e-mail from the
> Canadiam Museum of
> Flight in Langley, British Columbia that not only
> offered me copies of the
> plans (for a price, of course), but also told me of
> one of thier museum
> members that HAS BUILT A DH-82C HOMEBUILT! Gott love
> it. They are going to
> get me in contact with him. They are only a 10 hr
> drive away and would be
> worth the visit!
>
> Ken
>
> Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | leonstefanhutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan) |
| Subject: | Cabane strut brkt. at center sec. |
Greg C: These brackets, placed inside of each other, then welded
certainly would be strong. But are you saying they are plenty over
built as shown on the plans? (U strap with 2 ears welded below) Guess it
really doesn't matter, I'm going to rebuild with 2 U-straps. Leon S.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: A Star is born |
I want to be a Me too. My Buddy has cancelled most of his subscription and
does not get speedvision anymore. We bought a sat system but not put up yet.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <j-m-duprey(at)erols.com> |
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 1:05 PM
| Subject: | Re: A Star is born |
> Hey Guys: If anyone does get this on tape I will gladly pay for a copy,
> My cable company does not carry Speedvision they claim not enough
> channel space, Itold them to drop one of the 6 or 7 home shopping
> channels (fat chance). I would love to see the show.
>
> John Duprey
>
> Ken Beanlands wrote:
> >
> > Well, imagine my suprise last night when I sat down to watch
SpeedVisions
> > coverage of OSH 99. Just before one of the commercials, they show this
> > pretty green and cream Piet and a familiar looking gentleman in front of
> > it talking to the interviewer. Yup, it was our very own Steve E. You did
a
> > great job Steve. I have only ever seen one Piet in flight (OK, it was
> > really a GN-1) and thought it was great to see the the source of your
> > passions. There was also a nice interview with Nowell Frank. I
recognized
> > several of the Piets from the web pages. There was also a short tribute
to
> > Bernie and the design.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I didn't think to tape it. Those things are usually a
> > little corny and tend to stick to the stuff that the general public
finds
> > interesting. If I had known you guys were in it, I definitely would have
> > taped it!
> >
> > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> > Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> > Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> > <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harnesses and DH82a |
Ken
Good, maybe we all can benefit from all of this, keep us posted on the plans
and get pictures of the HomeBuilt one.
Thanks
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 1:10 PM
| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harnesses and DH82a |
> And, as if on queue, I just got an e-mail from the Canadiam Museum of
> Flight in Langley, British Columbia that not only offered me copies of the
> plans (for a price, of course), but also told me of one of thier museum
> members that HAS BUILT A DH-82C HOMEBUILT! Gott love it. They are going to
> get me in contact with him. They are only a 10 hr drive away and would be
> worth the visit!
>
> Ken
>
> Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)startribune.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harnesses and DH82a |
Smithsonian does indeed have plans available. Whatever is in there
archives can be had for the cost of copying and shipping. The archives
division handles plans requests. The only limitation is that you can
request a maximum of 25 prints per month.
Waco plans are particularly popular.
I don't know what other plans they have but if it belongs to the Smithsonia=
n then it belongs to the American public and plans are yours for the
asking.
Greg Cardinal
>>> Gordon Brimhall 09/16 1:22 PM >>>
I was all over the Smithsonian web site and never found a place for
aircraft
plans, I did get into the gallery and downloaded some nice pictures,
Wright Flyer
Anola Gay
Genny Postage stamp with genny upside down
Now Moth unless you go to the Bug section
Maybe I look some more. A letter may be answered if you send one.
Do U have a web site address for the canadians?
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 10:02 AM
| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harnesses and DH82a |
> Gents;
> ...used to belong to the Tiger Moth Club of England......flew the red
one
> at Rhinebeck, what a hoot! Their publication is EXCELLENT ref anything
Moth
> but it is stuffy! They, the Brits, claim the prints exist but are hard
to
> get (good 'ole boy syndrome). Go to the the everloving Canadians for
their
> help as they built them too, the DH82c. Someone up there knows where to
get
> them from Dehaviland/ Canada. There is a Moth group up in Ontario just
> accrossed the lake here (Lake Erie). There is a well known Piet there
too,
> Brian Kenney ??? I am conjuring all this from 15 year old memory as I
> go....Earl Myers
>
> PS: ...was tracking down Curtiss Jenny plans sometime ago. The Canadians
> bent over backwards to help and came thru, the Yanks, NOT! Their Museums
all
> have websites and they DO answer e-mail directly. Wonderfull people to
work
> with, we ought to adopt all of them!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Swagler <dswagler(at)yahoo.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 12:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Shoulder Harnesses and DH82a
>
>
> >>I have a
> >> couple of really solid leads on where to get the
> >> plans.
> >>
> >
> >Ken, please let us all know what you find out.
> >
> >dms
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John R Bayer <jrbayer2(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet/Cub and DH-82 Tiger Moth |
Contact the Smithsonian National Air & Space Museum Archives via:
"http://www.nasm.edu/nasm/ARCH/"
John Bayer
The First Across Organization
"http://firstacross.hypermart.net/nc4home.htm"
writes:
>So where do we send to for information as you must know?
>
>Gordon
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: John R Bayer <jrbayer2(at)juno.com>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 12:05 PM
>Subject: Re: Piet/Cub and DH-82 Tiger Moth
>
>
>> All their aircraft drawings come with the stipulation that you will
>never
>> build a man-carrying aircraft!
>>
>> John Bayer
>> The First Across Organization
>> "http://firstacross.hypermart.net/nc4home.htm"
>>
>>
>> writes:
>> >The Smithsonian always has an add running in Wooden Boat for
>> >information
>> >from their Marine Water Craft plans from the National WaterCraft
>> >Collection.Send a 10.00 check for a 250 page catalog. That must be
>a
>> >bunch
>> >of boat plans. So I suppoose they have something for aircraft. I
>> >think I
>> >will look on the net for something.
>> >
>> >try http://smithsonian-institution.com
>> >
>> >Probably .org or .gov
>> >
>> >Gordon
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> For moth plans,I'd write or e-mail the smithsonian in wash DC.,
>or
>> >the
>> >> imperial war museum in england.
>> >>
>> >> From a corner of my mind, I seem to remember several ww1 biplanes
>
>> >made a
>> >few
>> >> miles from here, in Athol idaho, and the fellow got his plans
>from
>> >> smithsonian historical files.
>> >>
>> >> I just happen to have a 3 view newport 28 drawing on 1 sheet
>w/cover
>> >off,
>> >> and all bulkheads +wings and ribs in scale. I almost think that I
>
>> >could
>> >> build a full scale airplane from just that sheet.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
>> >> >Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> >> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> >> >Subject: Re: Piet/Cub and DH-82 Tiger Moth
>> >> >Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:45:03 -0600 (MDT)
>> >> >
>> >> >I've also been following the Hatz pages quite closely. It's
>> >certainly a
>> >> >nice machine. However, the useful load is not as good with the
>Hatz
>> >and
>> >> >eventually, I'd like to have something to put on floats. The
>Tiger
>> >Moth
>> >> >makes a beutiful floatplane with about 650 lbs of useful load
>left
>> >over,
>> >> >even on floats. My idea would be to put the greenhouse on it
>> >similar to
>> >> >the Canadian trainer version.
>> >> >
>> >> >Maybe it's a pipe dream, but I have been able to shake down a
>> >couple of
>> >> >leads. One of the Flying Farmers here in Alberta has one and may
>
>> >have
>> >> >drawings.
>> >> >
>> >> >Ken
>> >> >
>> >> >On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 RPas909040(at)aol.com wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > If you're looking for a wonderful, sweet-handling biplane
>(with
>> >a
>> >steel
>> >> >tube
>> >> > > fuselage even) try the Hatz Biplane, you won't be sorry. If
>you
>> >need
>> >> >more
>> >> > > details I can supply them.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Rob Passley
>> >> > > NX338RP Hatz (in work)
>> >> > > NX899R Pietenpol (in work)
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
>> >> >Calgary, Alberta, Canada
>> >> >Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
>> >> ><http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jason Good <jgood(at)bloomnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A Star is born |
John Duprey wrote:
>
> Hey Guys: If anyone does get this on tape I will gladly pay for a copy,
> My cable company does not carry Speedvision they claim not enough
> channel space, Itold them to drop one of the 6 or 7 home shopping
> channels (fat chance). I would love to see the show.
>
> John Duprey
>
> Ken Beanlands wrote:
> >
> > Well, imagine my suprise last night when I sat down to watch SpeedVisions
> > coverage of OSH 99. Just before one of the commercials, they show this
> > pretty green and cream Piet and a familiar looking gentleman in front of
> > it talking to the interviewer. Yup, it was our very own Steve E. You did a
> > great job Steve. I have only ever seen one Piet in flight (OK, it was
> > really a GN-1) and thought it was great to see the the source of your
> > passions. There was also a nice interview with Nowell Frank. I recognized
> > several of the Piets from the web pages. There was also a short tribute to
> > Bernie and the design.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I didn't think to tape it. Those things are usually a
> > little corny and tend to stick to the stuff that the general public finds
> > interesting. If I had known you guys were in it, I definitely would have
> > taped it!
> >
> > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> > Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> > Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> > <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
I would be interested in a copy as well, gladly pay for it. Thanks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Burroughs <glenn(at)sysweb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Is Titebond II OK? |
>Where are you located? I got my T-88 delivered right to my shop door by UPS
>along with most of the rest of my plane.
Hi John,
Located near Lynchburg, Virginia. No problem ordering T-88, just wanted to
know if Titebond II would do as good a job. Can get it locally.
Glenn
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harnesses and DH82a |
He said it would be based on time and materials but estimated about $150
CDN.
Ken
On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, David Swagler wrote:
> Ken,
>
> Did they quote you a price?
>
> dms
>
> --- Ken Beanlands wrote:
> > And, as if on queue, I just got an e-mail from the
> > Canadiam Museum of
> > Flight in Langley, British Columbia that not only
> > offered me copies of the
> > plans (for a price, of course), but also told me of
> > one of thier museum
> > members that HAS BUILT A DH-82C HOMEBUILT! Gott love
> > it. They are going to
> > get me in contact with him. They are only a 10 hr
> > drive away and would be
> > worth the visit!
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> > Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> > Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> > <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
<http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi!
I will be visiting in the S.E. part of Missouri in the 1st half of Oct.
Any piet flyers in the region that might " Airlift " a piet builder or have a
project under way for Show & Tell?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | LaurenMWilliams(at)webtv.net (Lauren Williams) |
| Subject: | Re: Is Titebond II OK? |
T-88 is made by System Three Resins in Seattle, WA. To order direct
call: (800) 333-5514. For tech support call: (206) 782-7976. And Ck
out:
www.systemthree.com/rf.html
Good stuff. I like using it.
Lauren
mailsorter-101-2.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:33:37 -0500
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Weikel <jandd(at)maverickbbs.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Is Titebond II OK? |
(via Mercury MTS v1.44 (NDS)) (via Mercury MTS v1.44 (NDS)) (via
Mercury MTS v1.44 (NDS)) (via Mercury MTS v1.44 (NDS)) (via Mercury
MTS v1.44 (NDS)) (via Mercury MTS v1.44 (NDS))
Where are you located? I got my T-88 delivered right to my shop door by UPS
along with most of the rest of my plane.
John W
Kerrville, Tx
-----Original Message-----
| From: | Burroughs <glenn(at)sysweb.com> |
Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 3:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is Titebond II OK?
>Hello All,
>
>My friend has ordered the wood for the fuselage, but we cannot find T-88
>glue locally. Have been told that Titebond II will do just as good.
>
>Any comments?
>
>Many thanks, Glenn
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Hello again:
I'm looking for a used/usable oil tank for an A-65 Cont. Anybody have one
for sale? Thanks, Ryder
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
Is it for the piet? I have one that originally had an intake pipe running
through it so a holley carb could be installed in a down draft manner.
It's of no use to me and could never be certified, but I did patch the
holes with heavier 4130 stock and gas welded it. I've since sold off most
of the engine and would consider shipping to you for the cost of shipping
only (UPS collect). I may even have the cap and dipstick. You will need to
pressure test the tank to make sure it will hold the oil pressure. a
blasting and painting wouldn't go astray either.
Ken
On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 ToySat(at)aol.com wrote:
> Hello again:
> I'm looking for a used/usable oil tank for an A-65 Cont. Anybody have one
> for sale? Thanks, Ryder
>
Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
<http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Weikel <jandd(at)maverickbbs.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Is Titebond II OK? |
I don't know about Titebond but I do know about T-88. Really good stuff and
I wouldn't build another plane with anything else.
John W
-----Original Message-----
From: Burroughs <glenn(at)sysweb.com>
Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 5:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Is Titebond II OK?
>>Where are you located? I got my T-88 delivered right to my shop door by
UPS
>>along with most of the rest of my plane.
>
>Hi John,
>
>Located near Lynchburg, Virginia. No problem ordering T-88, just wanted to
>know if Titebond II would do as good a job. Can get it locally.
>
>Glenn
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
>>STEVE's HAT was on TOO during the interview.
His hats have made it on Speedvision !!!!! (I
even got to shake his hand at Osh :))
Man, I am kicking myself. I bought a hat and is
seems there was a quick note in there from Steve,
with his autograph... before he was famous.... I
think it was thrown away. (not by me, I never
throw anything out, my wife, if it hasn't moved in
a week, it's gone.)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Piet/Cub and DH-82 Tiger Moth |
Thanks for the info, I spent some time their, I don't see any easy way to
get a list of aircraft plans and technical data. BUt that is sure a big
place with millions of documents.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John R Bayer <jrbayer2(at)juno.com> |
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 1:30 PM
| Subject: | Re: Piet/Cub and DH-82 Tiger Moth |
> Contact the Smithsonian National Air & Space Museum Archives via:
> "http://www.nasm.edu/nasm/ARCH/"
>
> John Bayer
> The First Across Organization
> "http://firstacross.hypermart.net/nc4home.htm"
>
>
> writes:
> >So where do we send to for information as you must know?
> >
> >Gordon
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: John R Bayer <jrbayer2(at)juno.com>
> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 12:05 PM
> >Subject: Re: Piet/Cub and DH-82 Tiger Moth
> >
> >
> >> All their aircraft drawings come with the stipulation that you will
> >never
> >> build a man-carrying aircraft!
> >>
> >> John Bayer
> >> The First Across Organization
> >> "http://firstacross.hypermart.net/nc4home.htm"
> >>
> >>
> >> writes:
> >> >The Smithsonian always has an add running in Wooden Boat for
> >> >information
> >> >from their Marine Water Craft plans from the National WaterCraft
> >> >Collection.Send a 10.00 check for a 250 page catalog. That must be
> >a
> >> >bunch
> >> >of boat plans. So I suppoose they have something for aircraft. I
> >> >think I
> >> >will look on the net for something.
> >> >
> >> >try http://smithsonian-institution.com
> >> >
> >> >Probably .org or .gov
> >> >
> >> >Gordon
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> For moth plans,I'd write or e-mail the smithsonian in wash DC.,
> >or
> >> >the
> >> >> imperial war museum in england.
> >> >>
> >> >> From a corner of my mind, I seem to remember several ww1 biplanes
> >
> >> >made a
> >> >few
> >> >> miles from here, in Athol idaho, and the fellow got his plans
> >from
> >> >> smithsonian historical files.
> >> >>
> >> >> I just happen to have a 3 view newport 28 drawing on 1 sheet
> >w/cover
> >> >off,
> >> >> and all bulkheads +wings and ribs in scale. I almost think that I
> >
> >> >could
> >> >> build a full scale airplane from just that sheet.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> >> >> >Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> >> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> >> >Subject: Re: Piet/Cub and DH-82 Tiger Moth
> >> >> >Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:45:03 -0600 (MDT)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I've also been following the Hatz pages quite closely. It's
> >> >certainly a
> >> >> >nice machine. However, the useful load is not as good with the
> >Hatz
> >> >and
> >> >> >eventually, I'd like to have something to put on floats. The
> >Tiger
> >> >Moth
> >> >> >makes a beutiful floatplane with about 650 lbs of useful load
> >left
> >> >over,
> >> >> >even on floats. My idea would be to put the greenhouse on it
> >> >similar to
> >> >> >the Canadian trainer version.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Maybe it's a pipe dream, but I have been able to shake down a
> >> >couple of
> >> >> >leads. One of the Flying Farmers here in Alberta has one and may
> >
> >> >have
> >> >> >drawings.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Ken
> >> >> >
> >> >> >On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 RPas909040(at)aol.com wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > If you're looking for a wonderful, sweet-handling biplane
> >(with
> >> >a
> >> >steel
> >> >> >tube
> >> >> > > fuselage even) try the Hatz Biplane, you won't be sorry. If
> >you
> >> >need
> >> >> >more
> >> >> > > details I can supply them.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Rob Passley
> >> >> > > NX338RP Hatz (in work)
> >> >> > > NX899R Pietenpol (in work)
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> >> >> >Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> >> >> >Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> >> >> ><http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
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We are having a Fly-in at 2H2. This is located in Southwest Missouri at the city
of Aurora on Oct. 2 1999..(about 30 miles south west of Springfield) Everyone
is
welcomed to fly in or drive. I hanger my Piet at this airport, so there will be
at least 1 Piet there. (several if you all show up:) ) We are serving a pancake
breakfast from 8:00 am to 10:00 am. our runway is 3000 asphalt, 18 and 36 degrees
at 1434 msl. Once again, everyone is welcomed.. Dave.
ToySat(at)aol.com wrote:
> Hi!
> I will be visiting in the S.E. part of Missouri in the 1st half of Oct.
> Any piet flyers in the region that might " Airlift " a piet builder or have a
> project under way for Show & Tell?
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: TEXAS FLY IN |
Sounds great - Brodhead of the South!
Clay
San Antonio
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Copinfo <Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.com> |
Come to Des Moines and I'll be happy to give rides in Piet NX899TC to anyone
who can get in, weighs less than 300 pounds, and who's backside leaves me
enough room to push my rudder bar. Dress warm.
Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com
Tim Cunningham
Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510
>Hi!
> I will be visiting in the S.E. part of Missouri in the 1st half of Oct.
>Any piet flyers in the region that might " Airlift " a piet builder or have
a
>project under way for Show & Tell?
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | claude <claude.plathey(at)wanadoo.fr> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Discussion Group |
Is it reasonably possible to build a Piet with a max weight of
less than 600 lbs ?
Any advice welcome, thanks
Claude
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)startribune.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cabane strut brkt. at center sec. |
I'm saying there is a LOT of steel holding the fuselage to the wing. I
don't trust my welding enough to build per the 1934 plans so I built mine
per the FGM plans.
The welded tabs in '34 plans are plenty strong enough if you are a
competent weldor. The interlocking U-fittings remove some of the variable
in the weld.
Greg C.
>>> Leon Stefan 09/16 2:21 PM >>>
Greg C: These brackets, placed inside of each other, then welded
certainly would be strong. But are you saying they are plenty over
built as shown on the plans? (U strap with 2 ears welded below) Guess it
really doesn't matter, I'm going to rebuild with 2 U-straps. Leon S.
________________________________________________________________________________
You guys are embarassing me. I got to see the tape last night. Cool. One
for the grandkids. Mike Cuy's inflight shots made me want to start
planning for Broadhead 2000. It is fun to relive the best summer vacation
yet! BTW Lowell Frank did a great job in his narrative...
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Michael D Cuy
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 11:19 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Speedvision
>
>
> >Oops, I see Mike has beat me to the punch. ;-)
> >
> >Ken.
>
>
> Ken- It's great to see you watched too.....and guess
> what ? You CAN tape it because according to the Speedvision
> Web page schdule it is to air again this Saturday 12 pm Eastern.
> What a cool shot of Steve's Air Camper on the ground....it looks
> like they laid the camera on the ground and shot up at his fuse/wings.
>
> Mike C.
>
> PS- STEVE's HAT was on TOO during the interview. His hats have
> made it on Speedvision !!!!! (I even got to shake his hand
> at Osh :))
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
Steve- I can be packed by Sat. morning:)
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mboynton(at)excite.com |
| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harnesses and DH82a |
Ken and others,
Just out of curiosity, what are the acceptable power and weight ranges for a
Tiger Moth engine?
Mark Boynton
Gilbert, Arizona
> Ken,
>
> Did they quote you a price?
>
> dms
>
> --- Ken Beanlands wrote:
> > And, as if on queue, I just got an e-mail from the
> > Canadiam Museum of
> > Flight in Langley, British Columbia that not only
> > offered me copies of the
> > plans (for a price, of course), but also told me of
> > one of thier museum
> > members that HAS BUILT A DH-82C HOMEBUILT! Gott love
> > it. They are going to
> > get me in contact with him. They are only a 10 hr
> > drive away and would be
> > worth the visit!
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> > Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> > Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> > <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Someone wrote a while back about a Waco he saw with a transparent
covering...coincidentally, that same day I was thinking how cool it would be
for me to cover my TEAM AirBike with some see-through Mylar. With its open
fuselage, it would almost make a "hole in the sky"! Of course, I'd have to
ruin the "invisible" illusion with some sort of conspicuicy markings or
device for safety, but it would still be neat. Does anyone happen to know
who/where/how regarding this Waco?
Ed Woerle
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harnesses and DH82a |
The original DH-82C had a 130 hp Gypsy Major engine. Later, they were
upgraded to 145 hp Gypsy. These engines ran at about the 300-350 lb range.
Personally, I think the Walter LOM engines would be a great replacement
haveing 140 hp and weighing less than the original.
Ken
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
> Ken and others,
>
> Just out of curiosity, what are the acceptable power and weight ranges for a
> Tiger Moth engine?
>
> Mark Boynton
> Gilbert, Arizona
>
>
> > Ken,
> >
> > Did they quote you a price?
> >
> > dms
> >
> > --- Ken Beanlands wrote:
> > > And, as if on queue, I just got an e-mail from the
> > > Canadiam Museum of
> > > Flight in Langley, British Columbia that not only
> > > offered me copies of the
> > > plans (for a price, of course), but also told me of
> > > one of thier museum
> > > members that HAS BUILT A DH-82C HOMEBUILT! Gott love
> > > it. They are going to
> > > get me in contact with him. They are only a 10 hr
> > > drive away and would be
> > > worth the visit!
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> > > Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> > > Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> > > <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> _______
> Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com
> Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com
>
Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
<http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Patrick W. Hildebrand" |
| Subject: | Looking for a Continental 85HP? |
I have available a Continental -12 engine. Engine has starter, generator, fuel
pump, full exhaust with heat muff, new slick magnetos w/ harness never installed.
Engine was disassembled for thorough inspection. Engine shop says it looks
good. Asking $4,000 US.
Let me know if you know of someone who could use it.
---
Patrick Hildebrand
piet(at)n2flying.com
What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses.
http://www.n2mail.com
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| From: | "David B. Schober" <dschober(at)mail.fscwv.edu> |
The Waco was done by Mark at Wingworks in Cannan CT. The same place that did the
restoration on Ed Moore's Howard DGA-15 (reserve antique grand champion at OSH
this year) Unfortunatly, I don't have his number here at the office.
Ed0248(at)aol.com wrote:
> Someone wrote a while back about a Waco he saw with a transparent
> covering...coincidentally, that same day I was thinking how cool it would be
> for me to cover my TEAM AirBike with some see-through Mylar. With its open
> fuselage, it would almost make a "hole in the sky"! Of course, I'd have to
> ruin the "invisible" illusion with some sort of conspicuicy markings or
> device for safety, but it would still be neat. Does anyone happen to know
> who/where/how regarding this Waco?
>
> Ed Woerle
--
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Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
Fairmont State College
National Aerospace Education Center
1050 East Benedum Industrial Drive
Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503
(304) 842-8300
________________________________________________________________________________
This WACO was covered with model airplane clear mylar! Big round engine
making heap big prop blast never phased it! It flew as a normal WACO
would....once the owner got over the naked (nekkid)
aspect..................a naked airbike would be neat!
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed0248(at)aol.com <Ed0248(at)aol.com>
Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 11:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: See-thru
>Someone wrote a while back about a Waco he saw with a transparent
>covering...coincidentally, that same day I was thinking how cool it would
be
>for me to cover my TEAM AirBike with some see-through Mylar. With its open
>fuselage, it would almost make a "hole in the sky"! Of course, I'd have to
>ruin the "invisible" illusion with some sort of conspicuicy markings or
>device for safety, but it would still be neat. Does anyone happen to know
>who/where/how regarding this Waco?
>
>Ed Woerle
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Re: Plywood questions, and more. |
Pietenpol Discussion , nieuportbuilders(at)cuenet.com
Interesting Idea from another RagWinger about ordering.
Gordon
> > I was getting real frustrated with the whole materials aquisition phase
as
> > well.
> > After getting several catalogs, shopping the internet, and following up
> > links from this list this was my final solution. The Aircraft Spruce
> > Catalog had almost all the things needed, and their prices though not
> > allways the least were in the ballpark. I prepared a complete mateials
> > list and sent it to both Wicks and Aircraft Spruce, both replied and
> > Aircraft Spruce was the low bidder. When I called them to place the
> > order, they took another 10% off and did not charge for UPS shipping,
due
> > to the size of the order. All in all this made them the best choice,
and
> > I got the whole thing wheels/brakes, tubing, steel, aluminum bar,
> > covering, and bagfuls of AN hardware all at once. All made it complete
> > and well packed. This raised my percent completed by 10 points!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RE: Re: Plywood questions, and more. |
Good Idea if you can afford it. This is one of the reasons I built a piet
instead of buying a kit.
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> Gordon Brimhall
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 10:15 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Fw: Re: Plywood questions, and more.
>
>
> Interesting Idea from another RagWinger about ordering.
> Gordon
>
>
> > > I was getting real frustrated with the whole materials
> aquisition phase
> as
> > > well.
> > > After getting several catalogs, shopping the internet,
> and following up
> > > links from this list this was my final solution. The
> Aircraft Spruce
> > > Catalog had almost all the things needed, and their
> prices though not
> > > allways the least were in the ballpark. I prepared a
> complete mateials
> > > list and sent it to both Wicks and Aircraft Spruce, both
> replied and
> > > Aircraft Spruce was the low bidder. When I called them
> to place the
> > > order, they took another 10% off and did not charge for
> UPS shipping,
> due
> > > to the size of the order. All in all this made them the
> best choice,
> and
> > > I got the whole thing wheels/brakes, tubing, steel, aluminum bar,
> > > covering, and bagfuls of AN hardware all at once. All
> made it complete
> > > and well packed. This raised my percent completed by 10 points!
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harnesses and DH82a |
Small Chev Alum V8 would work fine.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 8:44 AM
| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harnesses and DH82a |
> The original DH-82C had a 130 hp Gypsy Major engine. Later, they were
> upgraded to 145 hp Gypsy. These engines ran at about the 300-350 lb range.
> Personally, I think the Walter LOM engines would be a great replacement
> haveing 140 hp and weighing less than the original.
>
> Ken
>
> On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:
>
> > Ken and others,
> >
> > Just out of curiosity, what are the acceptable power and weight ranges
for a
> > Tiger Moth engine?
> >
> > Mark Boynton
> > Gilbert, Arizona
> >
> >
> > > Ken,
> > >
> > > Did they quote you a price?
> > >
> > > dms
> > >
> > > --- Ken Beanlands wrote:
> > > > And, as if on queue, I just got an e-mail from the
> > > > Canadiam Museum of
> > > > Flight in Langley, British Columbia that not only
> > > > offered me copies of the
> > > > plans (for a price, of course), but also told me of
> > > > one of thier museum
> > > > members that HAS BUILT A DH-82C HOMEBUILT! Gott love
> > > > it. They are going to
> > > > get me in contact with him. They are only a 10 hr
> > > > drive away and would be
> > > > worth the visit!
> > > >
> > > > Ken
> > > >
> > > > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> > > > Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> > > > Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> > > > <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______
> > Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com
> > Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com
> >
>
> Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | B and V Dearinger <dearinge(at)iocc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Discussion Group |
Claude, Apparently it is possible to get under 600 lbs empty with a -8 cont
, a wood prop, lite cub style gear ,a short fuselage and 1 piece wing. 590
lbs. should be possible.....Also I am all for a fly in in texas..I live in
sw Ark.......Bill-----Original Message-----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | claude <claude.plathey(at)wanadoo.fr> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Discussion Group |
>Is it reasonably possible to build a Piet with a max weight of
>less than 600 lbs ?
>Any advice welcome, thanks
>Claude
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | leonstefanhutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan) |
| Subject: | Light weight Piet |
Seems a recent article in BPANews had an article about a Chev 4 cyl Pie
called "PoplarPiet". It weighed 605 lbs. Looked very Ford like. While
viewing stormbirds.com, about the ME-262's sa features in SPORT AV. this
month,you can read about their pres. who had a fatal accident in a F-86.
Click on to "fatal accident" and it will take you to a month by month
NTSB accident list. Just before Oshkosh there was an A Piet that lost
his prop. Interesting reading for Ford builders.Leon S.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Copinfo <Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2000 |
Mike, and Steve, I only have 1.1 hours left before I have 50 hours total on
NX899TC. I can leave for Broadhead tommorow. Let's do it.
Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com
Tim Cunningham
Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510
>Steve- I can be packed by Sat. morning:)
>Mike C.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Light weight Piet |
Below is the Piet "Lost prop" NTSB narrative mentioned by Leon. Note that
the pilot blames the BHP design. Sad commentary on today when people are
unable to admit fault and resort to blaming others when they are actually the
boobs at blame!
So ... how many of you swinging wooden props check the prop bolting
seasonally?
DG
NTSB Identification: NYC99LA184. The docket is stored in the (offline) NTSB
Imaging System.
Accident occurred JUL-26-99 at COLLINS, OH
Aircraft: Troy PIETENPOL, registration: N6286A
Injuries: 2 Uninjured.
On July 26, 1999, about 0830 Eastern Daylight Time, a homebuilt Pietenpol,
N6286A, was substantially damaged during a forced landing at Collins, Ohio.
The certificated private pilot and passenger were not injured. Visual
meteorological conditions prevailed for the flight that originated from a
private grass airstrip at Valley City, Ohio; destined for Wood County
Airport, Bowling Green, Ohio. No flight plan was filed for the personal
flight conducted under 14 CFR Part 91.
NYC99LA184
On July 26, 1999, about 0830 Eastern Daylight Time, a homebuilt Pietenpol,
N6286A, was substantially damaged during a forced landing at Collins, Ohio.
The certificated private pilot and passenger were not injured. Visual
meteorological conditions prevailed for the flight that originated from a
private grass airstrip at Valley City, Ohio; destined for Wood County
Airport, Bowling Green, Ohio. No flight plan was filed for the personal
flight conducted under 14 CFR Part 91.
During a telephone interview, the pilot stated that he was in cruise flight
approximately 2,000 feet mean sea level. The engine lost all power, and he
made a forced landing to a soybean field. During the landing, the left main
landing gear folded under the airplane, and the right wing spar fractured.
He added that examination of the wreckage revealed four bolts, which secured
the propeller, were sheared. The respective four nuts and propeller were not
recovered. The pilot believed that fatigue caused one bolt to shear, and a
subsequent vibration occurred. The vibration caused the remaining bolts to
shear. On this particular airplane, the propeller acted as a flywheel. The
pilot stated that the absence of a flywheel would cause the engine to stop.
When asked why he believed the bolts failed, the pilot stated:
"After studying the prop hub on this plane, it is clear that this hub, that
was designed in 1929, is not strong enough. I think that the outside cover
plane on the propeller should be keyed to the propeller shaft to remove any
twisting of the propeller bolts."
The pilot last secured the propeller to the airplane approximately 1 year
before the accident. Since then, he estimated that the airplane flew
approximately 40 hours.
According to the Safety Board's database, from January 1, 1989, through
August 12, 1999, there was one other documented case of a propeller bolt
failure on a Pietenpol (CHI92DEX04). However, the pilot stated that he knew
of another Pietenpol owner that had a similar occurrence.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug <ve6zh(at)oanet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Discussion Group |
Helium in tires ?
> From: B and V Dearinger <dearinge(at)iocc.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol Discussion Group
> Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 4:15 PM
>
> Claude, Apparently it is possible to get under 600 lbs empty with a -8
cont
> , a wood prop, lite cub style gear ,a short fuselage and 1 piece wing.
590
> lbs. should be possible.....Also I am all for a fly in in texas..I live
in
> sw Ark.......Bill-----Original Message-----
> From: claude <claude.plathey(at)wanadoo.fr>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 7:09 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol Discussion Group
>
>
> >Is it reasonably possible to build a Piet with a max weight of
> >less than 600 lbs ?
> >Any advice welcome, thanks
> >Claude
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Light weight Piet |
>>I think that the outside cover plane on the
propeller should be keyed to the propeller shaft
to remove any twisting of the propeller bolts." .
what he is describing is either a rough running
engine that backfires, one strong enough to shear
the bolts during acceleration or one that had a
ground strike. Otherwise there would be no
"twisting" of the bolts. Unless, of course, he is
over-revving it during a hand crank.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Discussion Group |
Thats not funny, I thought about putting it in the wings also, anything
better, can we get the piet down to UL training wt?
Gordon
Helium in tires ?
----------
> From: B and V Dearinger <dearinge(at)iocc.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol Discussion Group
> Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 4:15 PM
>
> Claude, Apparently it is possible to get under 600 lbs empty with a
-8 cont
> , a wood prop, lite cub style gear ,a short fuselage and 1 piece
wing. 590
> lbs. should be possible.....Also I am all for a fly in in texas..I
live in
> sw Ark.......Bill-----Original Message-----
> From: claude <claude.plathey(at)wanadoo.fr>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 7:09 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol Discussion Group
>
>
> >Is it reasonably possible to build a Piet with a max weight of
> >less than 600 lbs ?
> >Any advice welcome, thanks
> >Claude
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Light weight Piet |
I have this type hub on my Scout.......the twisting or tork would be
absorbed by the two dowel pins that are in the crank and project into the
rear of der hub, no? I wonder what hub he did have? I do know these bolts
were COMMERCIAL GRADE 5 or 8 bolts which are a BIG no-no to use as
propbolts. Also understand the second plane flying with this Piet was a
virtual twin of this one....HIS 4 GR8 COMMERCIAL BOLTS WERE ABOUT TO FAIL AS
WELL>>! There are more cookies in the jar....we just haven't smelled them
yet...............
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Talbert <wtalbert(at)flash.net>
Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 11:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Light weight Piet
>>>I think that the outside cover plane on the
>propeller should be keyed to the propeller shaft
>to remove any twisting of the propeller bolts." .
>
>what he is describing is either a rough running
>engine that backfires, one strong enough to shear
>the bolts during acceleration or one that had a
>ground strike. Otherwise there would be no
>"twisting" of the bolts. Unless, of course, he is
>over-revving it during a hand crank.
>
>
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| From: | claude <claude.plathey(at)wanadoo.fr> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightweight Piet |
B and V Dearinger wrote:
> Apparently it is possible to get under 600 lbs empty with a -8 cont
> , a wood prop, lite cub style gear ,a short fuselage and 1 piece wing.
> 590 lbs. should be possible.
Bill
I should have no more than 600, for a max gross weight of 992 lbs.
I thought of another way :
Stretched fuselage (for a better tail volume).
Then multiplying all dimensions and thicknesses -except for spar- by .9
Building a box spar with optimized caps :thick at strut fitting and
getting thinner toward fuselege and tips.
Installing a Rotax 912.
What do you think ?
Could you also tell me about how the Piet stalls ?
Thanks
Claude
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| From: | B and V Dearinger <dearinge(at)iocc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightweight Piet |
Claude That should work.Would make it a Claude Air Camper.Thats why they
are called "experimental".We can do basically anything we want to.Thats why
I am building to the plans. Success in large numbers get my attention.Also I
want the plane done sooner so I can fly it.Let the experimenters spend the
extra time modifying.........Has anyone seen or ridden in the Popular Piet
or know the builder?That plane seems to be really lite and perform really
well with a heavy engine. Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: claude <claude.plathey(at)wanadoo.fr>
Date: Saturday, September 18, 1999 4:07 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lightweight Piet
>B and V Dearinger wrote:
>
>> Apparently it is possible to get under 600 lbs empty with a -8 cont
>> , a wood prop, lite cub style gear ,a short fuselage and 1 piece wing.
>> 590 lbs. should be possible.
>
>Bill
>I should have no more than 600, for a max gross weight of 992 lbs.
>I thought of another way :
>Stretched fuselage (for a better tail volume).
>Then multiplying all dimensions and thicknesses -except for spar- by .9
>Building a box spar with optimized caps :thick at strut fitting and
>getting thinner toward fuselege and tips.
>Installing a Rotax 912.
>What do you think ?
>
>Could you also tell me about how the Piet stalls ?
>Thanks
>Claude
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BARNSTMR(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Lightweight Piet |
In a message dated 9/18/99 6:02:40 AM Central Daylight Time,
dearinge(at)iocc.com writes:
<< Has anyone seen or ridden in the Popular Piet
or know the builder?That plane seems to be really lite and perform really
well with a heavy engine. Bill >>
Bill,
I believe the airplane is known as the "Poplar" Piet. (Not popular).
Although it does seem to be rather popular among Pietenpol enthusiasts.
Perhaps being made of all Poplar wood is part of the reason it is one of the
lighter ones.
Terry B
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| From: | TXTdragger(at)aol.com |
Where can I find info on GN-1. Haven't been able to find in "member" section
of EAA site. (?)
Thanks
John D EAA #516526
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The Waco was recovered in a conventional manner after the show.
I had seen an ultralight with clear Mylar in the mid-eighties and thought
that it would make a great covering for the Pietenpol. But I saw the same
aircraft a year later: the outer surfaces were filled with tiny scratches,
probably from dust in the air; worse, the inner surfaces were covered with
dust and soot, probably attracted there by the static build-up from the
movement of the air around the wing. And no way to get it clean. A permanent
mess.
Jim Malley
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harnesses and DH82a |
This is the librarian I delt with at the Canadian National Aviation Museum,
Ottawa, Canada.
ileslie(at)nmtc.ca
Musee National de L'Aviation
Bibliotheque
C.P. 9724, Station T
Ottawa, Ontario,K1G 5A3, Canada
613-993-2303
www.nmstc.ca
Also on your search engine, type in Canadian Forces Museums........
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon Brimhall
Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 3:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shoulder Harnesses and DH82a
>I was all over the Smithsonian web site and never found a place for
aircraft
>plans, I did get into the gallery and downloaded some nice pictures,
>Wright Flyer
>Anola Gay
>Genny Postage stamp with genny upside down
>
>Now Moth unless you go to the Bug section
>Maybe I look some more. A letter may be answered if you send one.
>
>Do U have a web site address for the canadians?
>
>Gordon
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Earl Myers
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 10:02 AM
>Subject: Re: Shoulder Harnesses and DH82a
>
>
>> Gents;
>> ...used to belong to the Tiger Moth Club of England......flew the red
one
>> at Rhinebeck, what a hoot! Their publication is EXCELLENT ref anything
>Moth
>> but it is stuffy! They, the Brits, claim the prints exist but are hard to
>> get (good 'ole boy syndrome). Go to the the everloving Canadians for
their
>> help as they built them too, the DH82c. Someone up there knows where to
>get
>> them from Dehaviland/ Canada. There is a Moth group up in Ontario just
>> accrossed the lake here (Lake Erie). There is a well known Piet there
too,
>> Brian Kenney ??? I am conjuring all this from 15 year old memory as I
>> go....Earl Myers
>>
>> PS: ...was tracking down Curtiss Jenny plans sometime ago. The Canadians
>> bent over backwards to help and came thru, the Yanks, NOT! Their Museums
>all
>> have websites and they DO answer e-mail directly. Wonderfull people to
>work
>> with, we ought to adopt all of them!
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Swagler <dswagler(at)yahoo.com>
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 12:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: Shoulder Harnesses and DH82a
>>
>>
>> >>I have a
>> >> couple of really solid leads on where to get the
>> >> plans.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Ken, please let us all know what you find out.
>> >
>> >dms
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hole A on left front lift\gear fitting |
Does anyone know what the hole "A" is used for on the left front fitting per
the
1934 plans for the split axle gear?
Do you put the 3/16" holes as well as the 1/4" hole on the fitting for a
total of
3 holes on the bottom of the fitting plate?
Thanks for the help
Ron Lebfrom
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Kinda off topic. |
Please forgive this "Off topic question"!
I need someone to teach me how to use the stock market. Is anyone here
doing this? I appreciate your help.
Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Weikel <jandd(at)maverickbbs.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kinda off topic. |
A good place to start is at the local library. Check out some books on
stock trading and financial management. That's what I did, just a poor boy
wanting to get rich. Read me some books and bought some stocks. Paid
attention and got rich. Retired after only 35 yrs working and started
building airplanes. Life of luxury and interesting things to do. Feed the
deer, go to the post office once a day, take a few pictures, sit in front of
my PC. Life is good.......... Good luck.
John W
RW-6
KR-2S
Kerrville, Tx
----Original Message-----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | vistin(at)juno.com <vistin(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Kinda off topic. |
>Please forgive this "Off topic question"!
>
>I need someone to teach me how to use the stock market. Is anyone here
>doing this? I appreciate your help.
>
>Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | claude <claude.plathey(at)wanadoo.fr> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightweight Piet |
B and V Dearinger wrote:
>
> That should work.Would make it a Claude Air Camper.
Bill, you're quibbling :-)
If the inch on my rule is 1.0000 in, it's a Pietenpol Air Camper.
If it is .9 in, it's a Claude Air Camper.
But what if your rule has inches = .9999 in, is it a Bill Air Camper ?
More seriously, UL are 992 lbs in Europe, I want to build an UL.
The original Piet is given for something like 1050 lbs.
So I think it's better to build a slightly downsized Piet with a load
factor same or higher, than to try to scratch 50 lbs on a full size one.
And if there are millions of models "A" or Corvair in junkyards, it's
not this side of the pond...
I saw all these beautifull Piets in Oshkosh, but I never had the chance to
fly one. So do me a favor : I would like to know HOW it stalls.
Thanks
Claude
EAA 596207
Zenair 701 F-JCUO
a has
Thats why they
> are called "experimental".We can do basically anything we want to.Thats why
> I am building to the plans. Success in large numbers get my attention.Also I
> want the plane done sooner so I can fly it.Let the experimenters spend the
> extra time modifying.........Has anyone seen or ridden in the Popular Piet
> or know the builder?That plane seems to be really lite and perform really
> well with a heavy engine. Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Replicraft(at)aol.com |
John-
Try here:
http://www.replicraftaviation.com/grega 1.htm
There's a bit of info, pics, and where to het plans...
Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TXTdragger(at)aol.com |
thanks Steve
John Davis
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | pics on my space |
Started to upload some pics to my place, taken by a friend, Joyce, who
works for Mags. and newspapers. Doesn't say much, just goes off snaping.
Anything on my spot that says joyce.
Started to upload some pics to my
place, taken
by a friend, Joyce, who works for Mags. and newspapers. Doesn't say
much, just
goes off snaping. Anything on my spot that says
joyce.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com> |
Im going to use 6 or 8 inch tires. Do I still use the
dimensions on the print? the plane will just sit lower?
I plan on the corvair so a smaller propeller.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kinda off topic. |
Steve,
A low impact way to get into the market is by using
Dividend Reinvestment Programs. These are setups
where the company will reinvest the stock's dividends
in more stock at little or no cost to you. The good
part of these setups is that you can usually add more
money to buy more stock at the same low price. Some
companies want you to own at least one share before
you participate (Paychex) while others will sell you
the first share (Mobil).
Do a web search. They are also known as DRIPs. Not
for the quick hitter but more for the slow and steady
type - like a Piet.
We have Mobil, Proctor&Gamble, PayChex DRIPs. It does
add up if you send a little each month and you don't
get killed by the broker fees.
Dave
>Please forgive this "Off topic question"!
>
>I need someone to teach me how to use the stock market. Is anyone here
>doing this? I appreciate your help.
>
>Steve
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net> |
I found this add this am..... Sounds like a good buy.
Finnish Ply: Sacrifice sale of 9 sheets of 1/32nd 4'x4' Finnish Play
(Birch). LIsts in AS&S @ 25.65, sale price of 12.80. Five sheets
1/32" 2'x4' ditto, lists 14.30, sale 7.15. Two sheets 1/4" 5 ply
2'x4' list 35.30, sale 17.65. Syd Hall, 13983 Gracie Rd., Nevada
City, CA 95959
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| Subject: | Re: Kinda off topic. |
I tried stocks after my Dad passed away and turned his stock broker ove rto
me with money, I did ok in Mutual Funds but I got scared when I dumped 5 K
in one day on one stock, I am not a gambler so I just could not keep doing
it, Now 9 yrs later I see if I would of kept the stocks I would be more than
100K better off. BUt I retired at age 52 after working hard for 35 yrs
anyway.
I want to try DayTrading sometime but would go into it with money I plan to
loose like going to Las Vegas.
I had a big thick book on stock trading but it was a boring read. Guess I
would never make a banker.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Weikel <jandd(at)maverickbbs.com> |
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 12:12 PM
| Subject: | Re: Kinda off topic. |
> A good place to start is at the local library. Check out some books on
> stock trading and financial management. That's what I did, just a poor
boy
> wanting to get rich. Read me some books and bought some stocks. Paid
> attention and got rich. Retired after only 35 yrs working and started
> building airplanes. Life of luxury and interesting things to do. Feed
the
> deer, go to the post office once a day, take a few pictures, sit in front
of
> my PC. Life is good.......... Good luck.
> John W
> RW-6
> KR-2S
> Kerrville, Tx
>
> ----Original Message-----
> From: vistin(at)juno.com <vistin(at)juno.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Saturday, September 18, 1999 2:03 PM
> Subject: Kinda off topic.
>
>
> >Please forgive this "Off topic question"!
> >
> >I need someone to teach me how to use the stock market. Is anyone here
> >doing this? I appreciate your help.
> >
> >Steve
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | awl942(at)webtv.net |
What is this new group Paul Poberezny is suppose to be starting for
those of us from the original idea of the EAA. The original idea was to
keep us flying at a cost that was in a average persons budget.
The cost today is out of sight, and most of us will never be able to
afford these kit aircraft. The Piet is our type of plane- it gives a
ride in the sky and hasn't broke the bank in building it.
This group is great as it gives you a ready source of people to draw
from when you run into a problem and will get a quick responce from
someone who has already solved this problem.
I haven't started building yet but reading all the messages is giving me
a leg up on the project. Thanks to all of you out there .
Autry W. "Bud" Leonard
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Copinfo <Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: landing gear |
Del, I have 800X4's on my Piet with a 72 inch prop and There is no problem.
It looks close but it works. I do cut some grass every now and then.
Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com
Tim Cunningham
Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510
>Im going to use 6 or 8 inch tires. Do I still use the
>dimensions on the print? the plane will just sit lower?
>I plan on the corvair so a smaller propeller.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Copinfo <Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightweight Piet |
Claude, The Pietenpol is less than 700 pounds no matter what you do. Mine
is a little over 650 and can carry my 185 pound frame and 300 pounds of
passenger or cargo. It stalls like any other airplane, except at 30 MPH or
less and spins but is easy to recover. It's just and honest airplane that
has a lot of drag.
Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com
Tim Cunningham
Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510
>I saw all these beautifull Piets in Oshkosh, but I never had the chance to
>fly one. So do me a favor : I would like to know HOW it stalls.
>Thanks
>Claude
>EAA 596207
>Zenair 701 F-JCUO
>
>
>a has
>
>Thats why they
>> are called "experimental".We can do basically anything we want to.Thats
why
>> I am building to the plans. Success in large numbers get my
attention.Also I
>> want the plane done sooner so I can fly it.Let the experimenters spend
the
>> extra time modifying.........Has anyone seen or ridden in the Popular
Piet
>> or know the builder?That plane seems to be really lite and perform really
>> well with a heavy engine. Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Is Titebond II OK? |
I wouldn't use it. We used T-88 on ours and we're very pleased with it.
T-88 is available through Aircraft Spruce and Wicks as well as other
supply houses.
John Langston
>Hello All,
>
>My friend has ordered the wood for the fuselage, but we cannot find
>T-88
>glue locally. Have been told that Titebond II will do just as good.
>
>Any comments?
>
>Many thanks, Glenn
>
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
Fishmouth is the shape you can cut into the end of a tube to be welded
onto a smaller diameter tube that slips inside the larger tube. A 30
degree cut can also be made and is acceptable, but the FAA does prefer
the fishmouth weld as it provides more welding surface (suppossedly). I
have repaired a couple of plane with a fishmouth weld and it is more
difficult than the 30 degree weld. I usually use the latter since it's
quicker and I don't see that the weld area is actually less. I also like
to have the weld joint spread over a larger area. Where space is a
problem, the fishmouth often fits in better.
John Langston
writes:
>Fishmouthing is when you shape the metal around a carp's face...
>Actually it just describes the shape that you cut the metal in to
>provide a good fit for welding.
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
Washout out means to decrease the angle of incidence of a wing whereas
washin means to increase the angle of incidence. On a Cessna 100 series
airplane the adjustment is made at the aft spar attachment bolt to the
fuselage, all the way inboard. Angle of incidence is very similiar to
angle of attack except that angle of incidence is set by a mechanic or
builder and cannot be changed in flight. The pilot contols angle of
attack with the stick, throotle, or trim.
John Langston
writes:
>how I understand it
>slightly less angle of attack at wings tip. As air speed reduces and
>near stall, loss of lift
>begins at wing root yet outer wing is the last area to lose lift and
>aileron control.
>rob fawcett
>
>del magsam wrote:
>
>> what is washout? or where can I look to learn about
>> washout?
>>
>> ---Michael D Cuy wrote:
>> >
>> > In Pietenpol's Builder's manual it mentions that
>> > Pietenpol did incorporate washout in his wings- about
>> > 3/8" to 1/2" as I recall from the literature.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: TEXAS FLY IN |
Mike,
This is great! Let's make it an annual affair. I work Saturday nights, so
I can't make it this year, but school and night work won't last forever!
Hopefully, we'll have a Piet to fly there next year. I'll give this
message to my partners and I'm you'll see them there.
John Langston
>Gang,
>
>A couple of weeks ago I posted the possibility
>of a fly in of PIETS and GN-1s in the Lone
>Star state. Many of you responded.
>
>Well, the city of Burnet and its local Confederate
>Air Force will hold an air show and exhibit Saturday,
>October 9th. Burnet is located northwest of Austin.
>
>The exact schedule of events will be forthcoming.
>However, I need to know how many pilots / builders
>would be interested in attending. Please let me know
>who you are and if you plan to fly your PIET / GN-1
>or drive to Burnet.
>
>I will talk to the air show coordinator and let him know
>what kind of participation he can expect. I think we could
>get some decent media coverage with a good showing of
>participants. A late 20-s - early 30's design airplane sitting
>near World War II aircraft should make for interesting photos.
>
>
>Please email or call (214) 905-9299.
>
>Thanks...
>
>Mike King
>GN-1
>77MK
>Dallas, Texas
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: New division |
Bud,
Maiden name on my mothers side is Leonard. Whats the family tree?
walt evans
-----Original Message-----
From: awl942(at)webtv.net
Date: Sunday, September 19, 1999 1:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New division
What is this new group Paul Poberezny is suppose to be starting for
those of us from the original idea of the EAA. The original idea was to
keep us flying at a cost that was in a average persons budget.
The cost today is out of sight, and most of us will never be able to
afford these kit aircraft. The Piet is our type of plane- it gives a
ride in the sky and hasn't broke the bank in building it.
This group is great as it gives you a ready source of people to draw
from when you run into a problem and will get a quick responce from
someone who has already solved this problem.
I haven't started building yet but reading all the messages is giving me
a leg up on the project. Thanks to all of you out there .
Autry W. "Bud" Leonard
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ws133b(at)uswest.net |
| Subject: | Re: Kinda off topic. |
I recommend a book entitled "Making the Most of Your Money" by Jane Bryant
Quinn; about $27.00 at your local Borders book store. It covers the
entire spectrum of personal financial matters, not just the stock market,
offering a more balanced perspective than just the workings of Wall
Street. Also, it's written in common sense language for the novice.
Enjoy.
Ted Tuckerman
vistin(at)juno.com wrote:
> Please forgive this "Off topic question"!
>
> I need someone to teach me how to use the stock market. Is anyone here
> doing this? I appreciate your help.
>
> Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Ragan <lragan(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kinda off topic. |
That's enough. Take it somewhere else!
>From: ws133b(at)uswest.net
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Re: Kinda off topic.
>Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:10:57 -0500
>
>I recommend a book entitled "Making the Most of Your Money" by Jane Bryant
>Quinn; about $27.00 at your local Borders book store. It covers the
>entire spectrum of personal financial matters, not just the stock market,
>offering a more balanced perspective than just the workings of Wall
>Street. Also, it's written in common sense language for the novice.
>Enjoy.
>
>Ted Tuckerman
>
>vistin(at)juno.com wrote:
>
> > Please forgive this "Off topic question"!
> >
> > I need someone to teach me how to use the stock market. Is anyone here
> > doing this? I appreciate your help.
> >
> > Steve
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | lpasley <lpasley(at)aristotle.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Discussion Group |
Where in S.W. Ark? I live in Carlisle.
Thanks, Larry
> Claude, Apparently it is possible to get under 600 lbs empty with a -8
cont
> , a wood prop, lite cub style gear ,a short fuselage and 1 piece wing.
590
> lbs. should be possible.....Also I am all for a fly in in texas..I live in
> sw Ark.......Bill-----Original Message-----
> From: claude <claude.plathey(at)wanadoo.fr>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 7:09 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol Discussion Group
>
>
> >Is it reasonably possible to build a Piet with a max weight of
> >less than 600 lbs ?
> >Any advice welcome, thanks
> >Claude
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David B. Schober" <dschober(at)mail.fscwv.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightweight Piet |
I know this has been stated many times before, but an inch to Bernard Pietenpol
was more like 15/16 ths. Having seen and flown some of the airplanes he built,
he
measured to the center of the kerf of the blade to get his 1 inch and all other
dimensions.
claude wrote:
> B and V Dearinger wrote:
> >
> > That should work.Would make it a Claude Air Camper.
>
> Bill, you're quibbling :-)
> If the inch on my rule is 1.0000 in, it's a Pietenpol Air Camper.
> If it is .9 in, it's a Claude Air Camper.
> But what if your rule has inches = .9999 in, is it a Bill Air Camper ?
>
> More seriously, UL are 992 lbs in Europe, I want to build an UL.
> The original Piet is given for something like 1050 lbs.
> So I think it's better to build a slightly downsized Piet with a load
> factor same or higher, than to try to scratch 50 lbs on a full size one.
> And if there are millions of models "A" or Corvair in junkyards, it's
> not this side of the pond...
>
> I saw all these beautifull Piets in Oshkosh, but I never had the chance to
> fly one. So do me a favor : I would like to know HOW it stalls.
> Thanks
> Claude
> EAA 596207
> Zenair 701 F-JCUO
>
> a has
>
> Thats why they
> > are called "experimental".We can do basically anything we want to.Thats why
> > I am building to the plans. Success in large numbers get my attention.Also
I
> > want the plane done sooner so I can fly it.Let the experimenters spend the
> > extra time modifying.........Has anyone seen or ridden in the Popular Piet
> > or know the builder?That plane seems to be really lite and perform really
> > well with a heavy engine. Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David B. Schober" <dschober(at)mail.fscwv.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: landing gear |
As long as you have about 9" prop clearance withg the airplane in a
level position you will be ok.
del magsam wrote:
> Im going to use 6 or 8 inch tires. Do I still use the
> dimensions on the print? the plane will just sit lower?
> I plan on the corvair so a smaller propeller.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Hole A on left front lift\gear fitting |
Hole "A" is a 3/16 inch dia hole like the others. That hole, on that fitting,
is moved over so that you can install the hinge lug. Look at the top right hand
side of the split axle landing gear drawing (left front fitting). The lug
is moved forward so the shock strut tubing will not contact each other.
Bart D Conrad
Boeing Field Service
DC-9/MD-80/DC-10 & 737 Heavy Mtc
Phone: 713-640-5882/713-324-4192
Fax: 713-640-5891
Pager: 713-318-1625
> ----------
> From: PTNPOL(at)aol.com[SMTP:PTNPOL(at)aol.com]
> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 11:00 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Hole A on left front lift\gear fitting
>
> Does anyone know what the hole "A" is used for on the left front fitting per
> the
> 1934 plans for the split axle gear?
>
> Do you put the 3/16" holes as well as the 1/4" hole on the fitting for a
> total of
> 3 holes on the bottom of the fitting plate?
>
> Thanks for the help
>
> Ron Lebfrom
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net> |
| Subject: | a family relation ??? |
I have long been an admirer of Piet Bower's Fly Baby [Oops I think
I misspelled his name ;-) ], and cannot help but see a family relation
between it and the Bernie Pietenpol's designs. If Bernie had built a
low wing version of the Sky Scout it would have been a Fly Baby......
He had to leave that for someone else.... ;-)
Any other Fly Baby admirer's out there??
I must confess to have at times had twisted fantacies of low wing
Piet's. Please pardon me for this digression but I just had to get
that off my chest..... I feel ooh so much better now..... Please don't
burn me at the stake for my sacriledge
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: a family relation ??? |
Hello
Yes, have a flybaby and Piet in the hangar. See a picture of my Flybaby at
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/7827/
Mike Madrid
> I have long been an admirer of Piet Bower's Fly Baby [Oops I think
>I misspelled his name ;-) ], and cannot help but see a family relation
>between it and the Bernie Pietenpol's designs. If Bernie had built a
>low wing version of the Sky Scout it would have been a Fly Baby......
>He had to leave that for someone else.... ;-)
> Any other Fly Baby admirer's out there??
>
> I must confess to have at times had twisted fantacies of low wing
>Piet's. Please pardon me for this digression but I just had to get
>that off my chest..... I feel ooh so much better now..... Please don't
>burn me at the stake for my sacriledge
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Joe Krzes <jkrzes(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: a family relation ??? |
If you ever open up the hanger one morning and find that they have pups, I'd
sure like one!
>From: Camera Man
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Re: a family relation ???
>Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:49:47 -0700
>
>Hello
>Yes, have a flybaby and Piet in the hangar. See a picture of my Flybaby at
>http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/7827/
>Mike Madrid
>
> > I have long been an admirer of Piet Bower's Fly Baby [Oops I think
> >I misspelled his name ;-) ], and cannot help but see a family relation
> >between it and the Bernie Pietenpol's designs. If Bernie had built a
> >low wing version of the Sky Scout it would have been a Fly Baby......
> >He had to leave that for someone else.... ;-)
> > Any other Fly Baby admirer's out there??
> >
> > I must confess to have at times had twisted fantacies of low wing
> >Piet's. Please pardon me for this digression but I just had to get
> >that off my chest..... I feel ooh so much better now..... Please don't
> >burn me at the stake for my sacriledge
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Brusilow <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Claude Wrote:( or was it Claude )
<
cont
> , a wood prop, lite cub style gear ,a short fuselage and 1 piece wing.
If your are going to use a continental in the above configuration, it
will have to be put in the next county to get anywhere near the CG
range.
Mike B Piet N 687MB ( Mr Sam )
Claude Wrote:( or was it Claude
)
Apparently it is possible to get
under 600 lbs
empty with a -8cont , a wood prop, lite cub style gear ,a
short
fuselage and 1 piece wing.
If your are going to use a continental in the
above
configuration, it will have to be put in the next county to get anywhere
near
the CG range.
Mike B Piet N 687MB ( Mr Sam
)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace |
Well, it would seem that this strange sickness called Aviation must be
hereditary. In my research of the DH-82, I stumbled across this little
gem:
http://theaerodrome.com/aces/canada/beanland.html
How very COOL! Too bad he didn't survive the war. So, maybe I should look
at building that 7/8 scale S.E.5a instead of the Tiger Moth ;-). I can do
it up in his squadron colors and put an authentic "Capt. beanlands" on the
side.....
Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
<http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace |
What is wrong with an 8/8 scale Moth????
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace
>Well, it would seem that this strange sickness called Aviation must be
>hereditary. In my research of the DH-82, I stumbled across this little
>gem:
>
>http://theaerodrome.com/aces/canada/beanland.html
>
>How very COOL! Too bad he didn't survive the war. So, maybe I should look
>at building that 7/8 scale S.E.5a instead of the Tiger Moth ;-). I can do
>it up in his squadron colors and put an authentic "Capt. beanlands" on the
>side.....
>
>Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
>Calgary, Alberta, Canada
>Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
><http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Jack Cox & Golda |
I know this is off the subject, but as some might have
read, Jack Cox and his wife Golda have worked at editing
Sport Aviation for 30 years now and are retiring at the
end of this month. They will be moving back to the
Carolina's where they are from.
What is so cool about Jack is that his HEART is into
Pietenpols and small affordable homebuilts. This guy
is a down to earth, super nice, quiet, professional, to the
point person with a good balance in life.
There will be at least one article in Sport Aviation on Allen
Rudolph's (now owned by Jim Hammond) oldest flying Piet
and mine, or possibly two separate articles in the upcoming
months. Jack's love of these homebuilts will be evident
in the articles. (He'd much rather write about these than $$$ planes
was the feeling I got.)
When I was about to leave for the photo session at Osh Jack
came up to me in the early morning with his cup of coffee
and talked just like your neighbor would over the fence.
Retirement, moving, pension, benefits, vacation time,
continuing to write articles for SA...etc. Another writer
stepped up to us and introduced himself and Jack told him
right away..."hey, get over there and see those Pietenpols....
there are some super ones over there." What a neat guy.
You'd never know who he was....no name tag, no EAA shirt,
no fancy car or motor scooter to rip around in- just his shoes
like the rest of us. He came over to Karen and I by the
Piet and spoke with us a minute or two one day, then
was off- on foot. What a neat couple. I doubt they will
be easily replaced.
Mike C.
I know this is off the subject, but as some might have
read, Jack Cox and his wife Golda have worked at editing
Sport Aviation for 30 years now and are retiring at the
end of this month. They will be moving back to the
Carolina's where they are from.
What is so cool about Jack is that his HEART is into
Pietenpols and small affordable homebuilts. This guy
is a down to earth, super nice, quiet, professional, to the
point person with a good balance in life.
There will be at least one article in Sport Aviation on
Allen
Rudolph's (now owned by Jim Hammond) oldest flying Piet
and mine, or possibly two separate articles in the upcoming
months. Jack's love of these homebuilts will be evident
in the articles. (He'd much rather write about these than $$$
planes
was the feeling I got.)
When I was about to leave for the photo session at Osh Jack
came up to me in the early morning with his cup of coffee
and talked just like your neighbor would over the fence.
Retirement, moving, pension, benefits, vacation time,
continuing to write articles for SA...etc. Another
writer
stepped up to us and introduced himself and Jack told him
right away...hey, get over there and see those Pietenpols....
there are some super ones over there. What a neat
guy.
You'd never know who he was....no name tag, no EAA shirt,
no fancy car or motor scooter to rip around in- just his shoes
like the rest of us. He came over to Karen and I by the
Piet and spoke with us a minute or two one day, then
was off- on foot. What a neat couple. I
doubt they will
be easily replaced.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace |
There is already a great set of plans available for the 7/8's model that
even disguises the C-85 heads to look like the top of the V-8.
Ken
On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Earl Myers wrote:
> What is wrong with an 8/8 scale Moth????
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:58 PM
> Subject: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace
>
>
> >Well, it would seem that this strange sickness called Aviation must be
> >hereditary. In my research of the DH-82, I stumbled across this little
> >gem:
> >
> >http://theaerodrome.com/aces/canada/beanland.html
> >
> >How very COOL! Too bad he didn't survive the war. So, maybe I should look
> >at building that 7/8 scale S.E.5a instead of the Tiger Moth ;-). I can do
> >it up in his squadron colors and put an authentic "Capt. beanlands" on the
> >side.....
> >
> >Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> >Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> >Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> ><http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
> >
> >
> >
>
Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
<http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace |
WOW
You mean you are 102 and building another airplane?
Capt. Beanlands Sir
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:54 AM
| Subject: | Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace |
> Well, it would seem that this strange sickness called Aviation must be
> hereditary. In my research of the DH-82, I stumbled across this little
> gem:
>
> http://theaerodrome.com/aces/canada/beanland.html
>
> How very COOL! Too bad he didn't survive the war. So, maybe I should look
> at building that 7/8 scale S.E.5a instead of the Tiger Moth ;-). I can do
> it up in his squadron colors and put an authentic "Capt. beanlands" on the
> side.....
>
> Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
I'll going to try to be there if if I can David'
Russell
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 9:12 PM
> We are having a Fly-in at 2H2. This is located in Southwest Missouri at
the city
> of Aurora on Oct. 2 1999..(about 30 miles south west of Springfield)
Everyone is
> welcomed to fly in or drive. I hanger my Piet at this airport, so there
will be
> at least 1 Piet there. (several if you all show up:) ) We are serving a
pancake
> breakfast from 8:00 am to 10:00 am. our runway is 3000 asphalt, 18 and 36
degrees
> at 1434 msl. Once again, everyone is welcomed.. Dave.
>
> ToySat(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> > I will be visiting in the S.E. part of Missouri in the 1st half of
Oct.
> > Any piet flyers in the region that might " Airlift " a piet builder or
have a
> > project under way for Show & Tell?
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harnesses |
The shoulder harness issue is very simple, the big auto manufactures
have them so they must be good. This being the results of thousands of
crash test. How about building a small support structure above the
turtle deck, attaching the seat belt and transcending down at an angle
above the shoulder its when the belt loops up and over the shoulder
from behind that the body moves forward and is compressed!
Russell
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sayre, William G <William.Sayre(at)PSS.Boeing.com> |
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 2:59 PM
| Subject: | RE: Shoulder Harnesses |
> I can GUARANTEE that shoulder a harness can save your life. I witnessed
a Pietenpol accident where the passenger elected not to wear his shoulder
harness and he died of massive head injuries. Pilot wearing shoulder
harness survived.
>
> We're right to be concerned about back/spine compression injuries, but at
least you'll be alive for the treatment! (My 2 cents)
>
> Bill Sayre
> > ----------
> > From: Ian Holland[SMTP:iholland@microage-tb.com]
> > Reply To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 3:38 PM
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Subject: Re: Shoulder Harnesses
> >
> > You may want to sit in the Piet cockpit, and look at how close your face
> > is to the panel. The cracked back may be better than the fractured
> > skull. It seems to me that when i joined the EAA way back, I had to
> > sign a form stating that I would install shoulder restraints in any
> > amateur built plane that I did. Must be a reason!
> >
> > It might look funny, but has anyone put a post up just aft of the seat
> > back?
> >
> > I still don't know what to do with the shoulder strap attach point, but
> > when I sit there and lean forward, I know its going to be worse than a
> > face plant in skiing!
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Copinfo <Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: a family relation ??? |
It's not sacrilege to desire a Fly Baby. I have a Piet and am looking
forward to the day I can get my hands on a Fly Baby. They're both neat
homebuilts.
Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com
Tim Cunningham
Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510
> I have long been an admirer of Piet Bower's Fly Baby [Oops I think
>I misspelled his name ;-) ], and cannot help but see a family relation
>between it and the Bernie Pietenpol's designs. If Bernie had built a
>low wing version of the Sky Scout it would have been a Fly Baby......
>He had to leave that for someone else.... ;-)
> Any other Fly Baby admirer's out there??
>
> I must confess to have at times had twisted fantacies of low wing
>Piet's. Please pardon me for this digression but I just had to get
>that off my chest..... I feel ooh so much better now..... Please don't
>burn me at the stake for my sacriledge
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim VanDervort <dpilot(at)yahoo.com> |
C'mon, Mike, don't lead everybody astray!!!!!!!!1
All you gotta do is move the wing back.
Do not move the engine forward on the fuselage.
Mr. Pietenpol said that would make it hard to come out
of a sideslip quickly. (note the word quickly)
My Piet weighs 610, and I had to move the wing back
6.5 inches, cause I weigh 275.
JimV.
--- Michael Brusilow
wrote:
> Claude Wrote:( or was it Claude )
>
> <
> empty with a -8
> cont
> > , a wood prop, lite cub style gear ,a short
> fuselage and 1 piece wing.
>
> If your are going to use a continental in the above
> configuration, it will have to be put in the next
> county to get anywhere near the CG range.
>
> Mike B Piet N 687MB ( Mr Sam )
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Eric's Homebuilt Engine Directory |
nieuportbuilders(at)cuenet.com, airsoob(at)lists.kz
While cruising around the web this morning this web page jumped up and
smaked me beside the haed. all kinds of engine info for many many
engines.
http://www.isd.net/eulmer/engines.html
Enjoy
Gordon
While cruising around the web this
morning this web
page jumped up and smaked me beside the haed. all kinds of engine
info for
many many engines.
href"http://www.isd.net/eulmer/engines.html">http://www.isd.net/eulmer=
/engines.html
Enjoy
Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Meadows <gwmeadows(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: TEXAS FLY IN |
Mike,
I should be able to make the get-together at Burnet, that's a pretty short
hop from Spring near Houston. If the weather permits, I'll be flying in,
not in a Piet unfortunately, but in a Cessna 177, N2934X. If bad wx, I'll
drive. The only wildcard is how much work that my wife judges is done at our
new house. We're moving, and will be in our new house by 10/1(crossed
fingers!). A fly-in would be a nice break from paint and paper!
Many thanks!
Gary Meadows
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | claude <claude.plathey(at)wanadoo.fr> |
B and V Dearinger wrote:
> Also I am all for a fly in in texas..I live in sw Ark.
A bit far from France, but why not. Thanks Bill.
Claude
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Clay Spurgeon <cspurgeon(at)baseballexp.com> |
| Subject: | Rudder/Stab Hinges |
Have seen three versions of these hinges - 1) Welded up steel as per the
plans, 2) Cast aluminum available from Vi Kapler, and 3) Made from a
section of square aluminum tube in the newsletter..... Just wondering
whats the best way to go?
Clay
San Antonio
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | COZYPILOT(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: New division |
Was......Is the S.A.A. Sport Aviation Association. The organization was
started many, many years ago and is hoping to re-vitalize it. Some of us
paid dues two years ago and the money was returned. Most of us sent the
money back and continue to hope for continuance. The S.A.A. is about the
joy and love of flying, kinda back to our roots. For more information I
believe his E-mail is BIGRED1(at)aol.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Hole A on left front lift\gear fitting |
My print shows this hole too. This is a 1/4" hole ,as well as the 3/16" bolt
holes, and it says that it is in this fitting only. Only thing that came to
my mind, was for airspeed tube hole....Yeah, what is that hole for???
walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Conrad, Bart D
Date: Monday, September 20, 1999 9:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Hole A on left front lift\gear fitting
>Hole "A" is a 3/16 inch dia hole like the others. That hole, on that
fitting, is moved over so that you can install the hinge lug. Look at the
top right hand side of the split axle landing gear drawing (left front
fitting). The lug is moved forward so the shock strut tubing will not
contact each other.
>Bart D Conrad
>Boeing Field Service
>DC-9/MD-80/DC-10 & 737 Heavy Mtc
>Phone: 713-640-5882/713-324-4192
>Fax: 713-640-5891
>Pager: 713-318-1625
>
>> ----------
>> From: PTNPOL(at)aol.com[SMTP:PTNPOL(at)aol.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 11:00 AM
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Subject: Re: Hole A on left front lift\gear fitting
>>
>> Does anyone know what the hole "A" is used for on the left front fitting
per
>> the
>> 1934 plans for the split axle gear?
>>
>> Do you put the 3/16" holes as well as the 1/4" hole on the fitting for a
>> total of
>> 3 holes on the bottom of the fitting plate?
>>
>> Thanks for the help
>>
>> Ron Lebfrom
>>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | claude <claude.plathey(at)wanadoo.fr> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightweight Piet |
Copinfo wrote:
> The Pietenpol is less than 700 pounds no matter what you do.
Well, I'll try with a light engine. European UL regs require gross weight
less than 992 lbs. Because they decided that a "standard" european weighs
170 lbs, and that any plane must carry at least one hour of fuel, an empty
weight of 600 lbs seems a good aim.
Thanks Tim.
Claude
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | rudder pedal assembly |
after I made the rudder bar(just behind the rudder
pedals) I noticed it is to made out of chrome moly.
Is that for more strength or is it because you have
your feet on it and would be wearing the paint off
from it? or none of the above. could I put a sleeve
on it if it is for wear purposes? I'm trying to be
considerate of weight. If the moly tube is lighter
I'll just get some.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | leonstefanhutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan) |
| Subject: | Int. Piet. Assn. |
Does anyone remember the IPA? I was told they have put out another issue
of their newsletter. I haven't seen one of those in 7 or 8 years. Dose
anyone know if they are back in business? If they sent a paper it
probably went to my old address. If Poberesney is starting a new
origination, I'm ready to jump ship! Have you taken a look at the new
EAA logo? Gone is the experimental homebuilt from the old logo. It has
been replaced by some sort of jet. Either corporate or military, but it
don't look like a homebuilt to me. This year EAA was a division of Ford
and Nestle Chocolate. Tells you where Tom P. is leading the
orginization. Leon S.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightweight Piet |
On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, claude wrote:
> Copinfo wrote:
>
> > The Pietenpol is less than 700 pounds no matter what you do.
Not if you stick a P&W R-985 on the nose ;-)
Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
<http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Brusilow <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net> |
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim VanDervort <dpilot(at)yahoo.com>
>C'mon, Mike, don't lead everybody astray!!!!!!!!1
>All you gotta do is move the wing back.
>Do not move the engine forward on the fuselage.
>Mr. Pietenpol said that would make it hard to come out
>of a sideslip quickly. (note the word quickly)
>My Piet weighs 610, and I had to move the wing back
>6.5 inches, cause I weigh 275.
Good to hear from you Jim. That fellow was talking 65 cont You got a
corvair. Is there a weight difference between the two?
BTW, did you clean up that airplane yet? Save a lot of weight.
Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace |
And I don't look a day ofer 32 ;-). It's amazing what hunting a few
Fokkers will do for you. Especially when them Fokkers are Spads. ;-)
Ken
On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Gordon Brimhall wrote:
> WOW
>
> You mean you are 102 and building another airplane?
>
> Capt. Beanlands Sir
>
> Gordon
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:54 AM
> Subject: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace
>
>
> > Well, it would seem that this strange sickness called Aviation must be
> > hereditary. In my research of the DH-82, I stumbled across this little
> > gem:
> >
> > http://theaerodrome.com/aces/canada/beanland.html
> >
> > How very COOL! Too bad he didn't survive the war. So, maybe I should look
> > at building that 7/8 scale S.E.5a instead of the Tiger Moth ;-). I can do
> > it up in his squadron colors and put an authentic "Capt. beanlands" on the
> > side.....
> >
> > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> > Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> > Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> > <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
> >
> >
> >
>
Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
<http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jack Cox & Golda |
Gordon:
What's SAA??
-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon Brimhall
Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
I hope he/she writes for the New SAA
Gordon
SAA #952
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D Cuy
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:04 PM
Subject: Jack Cox & Golda
I know this is off the subject, but as some might have
read, Jack Cox and his wife Golda have worked at editing
Sport Aviation for 30 years now and are retiring at the
end of this month. They will be moving back to the
Carolina's where they are from.
What is so cool about Jack is that his HEART is into
Pietenpols and small affordable homebuilts. This guy
is a down to earth, super nice, quiet, professional, to the
point person with a good balance in life.
There will be at least one article in Sport Aviation on Allen
Rudolph's (now owned by Jim Hammond) oldest flying Piet
and mine, or possibly two separate articles in the upcoming
months. Jack's love of these homebuilts will be evident
in the articles. (He'd much rather write about these than $$$
planes
was the feeling I got.)
When I was about to leave for the photo session at Osh Jack
came up to me in the early morning with his cup of coffee
and talked just like your neighbor would over the fence.
Retirement, moving, pension, benefits, vacation time,
continuing to write articles for SA...etc. Another writer
stepped up to us and introduced himself and Jack told him
right away..."hey, get over there and see those Pietenpols....
there are some super ones over there." What a neat guy.
You'd never know who he was....no name tag, no EAA shirt,
no fancy car or motor scooter to rip around in- just his shoes
like the rest of us. He came over to Karen and I by the
Piet and spoke with us a minute or two one day, then
was off- on foot. What a neat couple. I doubt they will
be easily replaced.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim VanDervort <dpilot(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi, Mike,
Engine weight, gross weight , or any other weight
doesn't matter much.
What REALLY matters is CG.
That is achieved by putting the wing where it needs to
be.
I think I am making my Piet heavier.
You know, like painting the wire stretchers
(lift struts, some call 'em)
JimV.
--- Michael Brusilow
wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim VanDervort <dpilot(at)yahoo.com>
>
>
> >C'mon, Mike, don't lead everybody astray!!!!!!!!1
> >All you gotta do is move the wing back.
> >Do not move the engine forward on the fuselage.
> >Mr. Pietenpol said that would make it hard to come
> out
> >of a sideslip quickly. (note the word quickly)
> >My Piet weighs 610, and I had to move the wing back
> >6.5 inches, cause I weigh 275.
>
> Good to hear from you Jim. That fellow was talking
> 65 cont You got a
> corvair. Is there a weight difference between the
> two?
>
> BTW, did you clean up that airplane yet? Save a lot
> of weight.
>
> Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Wing Shift/Jim V. |
For those who have never met Jim Vandervort, you
are missing a treat ! He knows Piets too.
Regarding wing shift.....and Continentals...
Here is what worked for me....
-Moved the engine out ONE inch forward
-Moved the wing back four inches aft of vertical
-Didn't loose wt....still at 195 lbs.
-Used the SHORT fuse, 1933 Improved Plans
-Put in a nose take of 17 gals.
Mike C.
For those who have never met Jim Vandervort, you
are missing a treat ! He knows Piets too.
Regarding wing shift.....and Continentals...
Here is what worked for me....
-Moved the engine out ONE inch forward
-Moved the wing back four inches aft of vertical
-Didn't loose wt....still at 195 lbs.
-Used the SHORT fuse, 1933 Improved Plans
-Put in a nose take of 17 gals.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace |
Don't say that word to fast, might get tongue tied.
I thought about building a Fokker and chase the Nieuports. My roots go back
to both Germany and England.
Also Kansas and Arkansas, MO, Mass,
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:24 PM
| Subject: | Re: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace |
> And I don't look a day ofer 32 ;-). It's amazing what hunting a few
> Fokkers will do for you. Especially when them Fokkers are Spads. ;-)
>
> Ken
>
> On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Gordon Brimhall wrote:
>
> > WOW
> >
> > You mean you are 102 and building another airplane?
> >
> > Capt. Beanlands Sir
> >
> > Gordon
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:54 AM
> > Subject: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace
> >
> >
> > > Well, it would seem that this strange sickness called Aviation must be
> > > hereditary. In my research of the DH-82, I stumbled across this little
> > > gem:
> > >
> > > http://theaerodrome.com/aces/canada/beanland.html
> > >
> > > How very COOL! Too bad he didn't survive the war. So, maybe I should
look
> > > at building that 7/8 scale S.E.5a instead of the Tiger Moth ;-). I can
do
> > > it up in his squadron colors and put an authentic "Capt. beanlands" on
the
> > > side.....
> > >
> > > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> > > Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> > > Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> > > <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Jack Cox & Golda |
Sport Aviation Association
They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join and get
back to the real roots of aviation.
http://www.sportaviation.org/
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net> |
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM
| Subject: | Re: Jack Cox & Golda |
> Gordon:
> What's SAA??
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gordon Brimhall
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>
>
> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA
>
> Gordon
> SAA #952
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael D Cuy
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:04 PM
> Subject: Jack Cox & Golda
>
>
> I know this is off the subject, but as some might have
> read, Jack Cox and his wife Golda have worked at editing
> Sport Aviation for 30 years now and are retiring at the
> end of this month. They will be moving back to the
> Carolina's where they are from.
>
> What is so cool about Jack is that his HEART is into
> Pietenpols and small affordable homebuilts. This guy
> is a down to earth, super nice, quiet, professional, to the
> point person with a good balance in life.
>
> There will be at least one article in Sport Aviation on Allen
> Rudolph's (now owned by Jim Hammond) oldest flying Piet
> and mine, or possibly two separate articles in the upcoming
> months. Jack's love of these homebuilts will be evident
> in the articles. (He'd much rather write about these than $$$
> planes
> was the feeling I got.)
>
> When I was about to leave for the photo session at Osh Jack
> came up to me in the early morning with his cup of coffee
> and talked just like your neighbor would over the fence.
> Retirement, moving, pension, benefits, vacation time,
> continuing to write articles for SA...etc. Another writer
> stepped up to us and introduced himself and Jack told him
> right away..."hey, get over there and see those Pietenpols....
> there are some super ones over there." What a neat guy.
> You'd never know who he was....no name tag, no EAA shirt,
> no fancy car or motor scooter to rip around in- just his shoes
> like the rest of us. He came over to Karen and I by the
> Piet and spoke with us a minute or two one day, then
> was off- on foot. What a neat couple. I doubt they will
> be easily replaced.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Weikel <jandd(at)maverickbbs.com> |
Let me dig out my GPS and I will give you a compass heading.
John W
-----Original Message-----
From: claude <claude.plathey(at)wanadoo.fr>
Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Light Piet
>B and V Dearinger wrote:
>
>> Also I am all for a fly in in texas..I live in sw Ark.
>
>A bit far from France, but why not. Thanks Bill.
>Claude
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace |
If you live around Kansas City and the infamous Dick Starkes, I'd also
build a nice D-VII to go Neiport hunting in. However, I do love his
writings and loved his book. It's well worth the read. I get some
unpublished stuff from him from time to time and just love it.
Ken
On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Gordon Brimhall wrote:
> Don't say that word to fast, might get tongue tied.
>
> I thought about building a Fokker and chase the Nieuports. My roots go back
> to both Germany and England.
>
> Also Kansas and Arkansas, MO, Mass,
>
> Gordon
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace
>
>
> > And I don't look a day ofer 32 ;-). It's amazing what hunting a few
> > Fokkers will do for you. Especially when them Fokkers are Spads. ;-)
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Gordon Brimhall wrote:
> >
> > > WOW
> > >
> > > You mean you are 102 and building another airplane?
> > >
> > > Capt. Beanlands Sir
> > >
> > > Gordon
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:54 AM
> > > Subject: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace
> > >
> > >
> > > > Well, it would seem that this strange sickness called Aviation must be
> > > > hereditary. In my research of the DH-82, I stumbled across this little
> > > > gem:
> > > >
> > > > http://theaerodrome.com/aces/canada/beanland.html
> > > >
> > > > How very COOL! Too bad he didn't survive the war. So, maybe I should
> look
> > > > at building that 7/8 scale S.E.5a instead of the Tiger Moth ;-). I can
> do
> > > > it up in his squadron colors and put an authentic "Capt. beanlands" on
> the
> > > > side.....
> > > >
> > > > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> > > > Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> > > > Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> > > > <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> > Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> > Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> > <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
> >
> >
> >
>
Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
<http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder/Stab Hinges |
just recieved mine from vi caplar. being a machinist
myself. I would say they are very nice. you cant
began to make much for 35.00. Im thinking that youll
want to watch them closely for wear since they're
aluminum.and keep them lubed.
---Clay Spurgeon wrote:
>
> Have seen three versions of these hinges - 1)
Welded up steel as per the
> plans, 2) Cast aluminum available from Vi Kapler,
and 3) Made from a
> section of square aluminum tube in the
newsletter..... Just wondering
> whats the best way to go?
>
> Clay
> San Antonio
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mbell1(at)columbiaenergygroup.com |
| Subject: | Re: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace |
Why not stick a couple of machine guns on your Piet andcall it a Nieuport?
Maiser(at)adena.byu.edu on 09/21/99 05:07:43 PM
Please respond to piet(at)byu.edu @ INTERNET
cc:
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace
If you live around Kansas City and the infamous Dick Starkes, I'd also
build a nice D-VII to go Neiport hunting in. However, I do love his
writings and loved his book. It's well worth the read. I get some
unpublished stuff from him from time to time and just love it.
Ken
On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Gordon Brimhall wrote:
> Don't say that word to fast, might get tongue tied.
>
> I thought about building a Fokker and chase the Nieuports. My roots go back
> to both Germany and England.
>
> Also Kansas and Arkansas, MO, Mass,
>
> Gordon
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace
>
>
> > And I don't look a day ofer 32 ;-). It's amazing what hunting a few
> > Fokkers will do for you. Especially when them Fokkers are Spads. ;-)
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Gordon Brimhall wrote:
> >
> > > WOW
> > >
> > > You mean you are 102 and building another airplane?
> > >
> > > Capt. Beanlands Sir
> > >
> > > Gordon
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:54 AM
> > > Subject: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace
> > >
> > >
> > > > Well, it would seem that this strange sickness called Aviation must be
> > > > hereditary. In my research of the DH-82, I stumbled across this little
> > > > gem:
> > > >
> > > > http://theaerodrome.com/aces/canada/beanland.html
> > > >
> > > > How very COOL! Too bad he didn't survive the war. So, maybe I should
> look
> > > > at building that 7/8 scale S.E.5a instead of the Tiger Moth ;-). I can
> do
> > > > it up in his squadron colors and put an authentic "Capt. beanlands" on
> the
> > > > side.....
> > > >
> > > > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> > > > Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> > > > Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> > > > <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> > Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> > Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> > <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
> >
> >
> >
>
Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
<http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace |
I would never shoot down a good writer like Dick Starks.
OK Capt Beanlands, better stop this nonsinse for the Piet Boys will start
putting machine guns on their Low & Slow Observation Planes and come after
us.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:06 PM
| Subject: | Re: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace |
> If you live around Kansas City and the infamous Dick Starkes, I'd also
> build a nice D-VII to go Neiport hunting in. However, I do love his
> writings and loved his book. It's well worth the read. I get some
> unpublished stuff from him from time to time and just love it.
>
> Ken
>
> On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Gordon Brimhall wrote:
>
> > Don't say that word to fast, might get tongue tied.
> >
> > I thought about building a Fokker and chase the Nieuports. My roots go
back
> > to both Germany and England.
> >
> > Also Kansas and Arkansas, MO, Mass,
> >
> > Gordon
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace
> >
> >
> > > And I don't look a day ofer 32 ;-). It's amazing what hunting a few
> > > Fokkers will do for you. Especially when them Fokkers are Spads. ;-)
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > > On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Gordon Brimhall wrote:
> > >
> > > > WOW
> > > >
> > > > You mean you are 102 and building another airplane?
> > > >
> > > > Capt. Beanlands Sir
> > > >
> > > > Gordon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> > > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:54 AM
> > > > Subject: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Well, it would seem that this strange sickness called Aviation
must be
> > > > > hereditary. In my research of the DH-82, I stumbled across this
little
> > > > > gem:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://theaerodrome.com/aces/canada/beanland.html
> > > > >
> > > > > How very COOL! Too bad he didn't survive the war. So, maybe I
should
> > look
> > > > > at building that 7/8 scale S.E.5a instead of the Tiger Moth ;-). I
can
> > do
> > > > > it up in his squadron colors and put an authentic "Capt.
beanlands" on
> > the
> > > > > side.....
> > > > >
> > > > > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> > > > > Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> > > > > Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> > > > > <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> > > Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> > > Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> > > <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace |
Doesn't fly fast enough, the bullets would push the piet backwards.:-)
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <mbell1(at)columbiaenergygroup.com> |
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:27 PM
| Subject: | Re: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace |
> Why not stick a couple of machine guns on your Piet andcall it a Nieuport?
>
>
> Maiser(at)adena.byu.edu on 09/21/99 05:07:43 PM
> Please respond to piet(at)byu.edu @ INTERNET
>
>
> To: piet(at)byu.edu @ INTERNET
> cc:
>
> Subject: Re: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace
>
> If you live around Kansas City and the infamous Dick Starkes, I'd also
> build a nice D-VII to go Neiport hunting in. However, I do love his
> writings and loved his book. It's well worth the read. I get some
> unpublished stuff from him from time to time and just love it.
>
> Ken
>
> On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Gordon Brimhall wrote:
>
> > Don't say that word to fast, might get tongue tied.
> >
> > I thought about building a Fokker and chase the Nieuports. My roots go
back
> > to both Germany and England.
> >
> > Also Kansas and Arkansas, MO, Mass,
> >
> > Gordon
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace
> >
> >
> > > And I don't look a day ofer 32 ;-). It's amazing what hunting a few
> > > Fokkers will do for you. Especially when them Fokkers are Spads. ;-)
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > > On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Gordon Brimhall wrote:
> > >
> > > > WOW
> > > >
> > > > You mean you are 102 and building another airplane?
> > > >
> > > > Capt. Beanlands Sir
> > > >
> > > > Gordon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
> > > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:54 AM
> > > > Subject: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Well, it would seem that this strange sickness called Aviation
must be
> > > > > hereditary. In my research of the DH-82, I stumbled across this
little
> > > > > gem:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://theaerodrome.com/aces/canada/beanland.html
> > > > >
> > > > > How very COOL! Too bad he didn't survive the war. So, maybe I
should
> > look
> > > > > at building that 7/8 scale S.E.5a instead of the Tiger Moth ;-). I
can
> > do
> > > > > it up in his squadron colors and put an authentic "Capt.
beanlands" on
> > the
> > > > > side.....
> > > > >
> > > > > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> > > > > Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> > > > > Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> > > > > <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> > > Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> > > Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> > > <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
> Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
> <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Brusilow <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Mike C wrote;
<<-Put in a nose take of 17 gals. >>
Hey Mike, any difference when only 5 gal remain.
Move the wing? OK guys, let me see some numbers.
Mike B Piet N 687 MB (Mr Sam )
PS my wing is back 3.5 inches. cg 14.75 inches
Mike C wrote;
-Put in a nose take of 17 gals.
Hey Mike, any difference when only 5 gal
remain.
Move the wing? OK guys, let me see some
numbers.
Mike B Piet N 687 MB (Mr Sam
)
PS my wing is back 3.5 inches. cg 14.75
inches
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | john hodnette <jhodnette(at)tecinfo.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol weight, etc |
Jim V> I remember meeting with you in southern Ohio a number of years
ago at a Piet fly-in. At the time, I think you were flying a Piet with
corvair power. I weigh more than you do and plan to fly mine one day
with a Model A. I think I remember talking with the elder Mr. Pavliga
and extended the engine mount out 2 or so inches and made the cabane
struts a couple inches longer so that the wing would not close in on me
when moved back to compensate for my weight. Don't know if those
changes will work, but my weighing less than 200 pounds will never
happen.
john hodnette
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim VanDervort <dpilot(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol weight, etc |
Strange, I remember your name, but not you!!
Usually the other way around.
I made my cabanes 4 inches longer,
Mr. Pietenpol said that was OK.
I moved the wing back 6.5 inches, and it
seems OK, maybe a little nose heavy.
Good elevator authority, though.
With the wing where it is, rain water
coming off the wing does not fall onto
the seat. Extra added bonus.
Skinny guys can fly it, too.
Ted Davis has flown it some, and he
doesn't weigh much. It must fly
to suit him, as I saw him loop it at
Brodhead one day. I don't think I will
do that!!
JimV.
john hodnette wrote:
> Jim V> I remember meeting with you in southern Ohio
> a number of years
> ago at a Piet fly-in. At the time, I think you were
> flying a Piet with
> corvair power. I weigh more than you do and plan to
> fly mine one day
> with a Model A. I think I remember talking with the
> elder Mr. Pavliga
> and extended the engine mount out 2 or so inches and
> made the cabane
> struts a couple inches longer so that the wing would
> not close in on me
> when moved back to compensate for my weight. Don't
> know if those
> changes will work, but my weighing less than 200
> pounds will never
> happen.
> john hodnette
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: a family relation ??? |
HAD A FLYBABY BIPLANE< SOLD IT AT THE PRECOVER STAGE>>>>
-----Original Message-----
From: Copinfo <Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 4:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a family relation ???
>It's not sacrilege to desire a Fly Baby. I have a Piet and am looking
>forward to the day I can get my hands on a Fly Baby. They're both neat
>homebuilts.
>Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com
>Tim Cunningham
>Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510
>
>> I have long been an admirer of Piet Bower's Fly Baby [Oops I think
>>I misspelled his name ;-) ], and cannot help but see a family relation
>>between it and the Bernie Pietenpol's designs. If Bernie had built a
>>low wing version of the Sky Scout it would have been a Fly Baby......
>>He had to leave that for someone else.... ;-)
>> Any other Fly Baby admirer's out there??
>>
>> I must confess to have at times had twisted fantacies of low wing
>>Piet's. Please pardon me for this digression but I just had to get
>>that off my chest..... I feel ooh so much better now..... Please don't
>>burn me at the stake for my sacriledge
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
HE LIVES!!!
-----Original Message-----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim VanDervort <dpilot(at)yahoo.com> |
>C'mon, Mike, don't lead everybody astray!!!!!!!!1
>All you gotta do is move the wing back.
>Do not move the engine forward on the fuselage.
>Mr. Pietenpol said that would make it hard to come out
>of a sideslip quickly. (note the word quickly)
>My Piet weighs 610, and I had to move the wing back
>6.5 inches, cause I weigh 275.
>
>
>JimV.
>
>
>--- Michael Brusilow
>wrote:
>> Claude Wrote:( or was it Claude )
>>
>> <
>> empty with a -8
>> cont
>> > , a wood prop, lite cub style gear ,a short
>> fuselage and 1 piece wing.
>>
>> If your are going to use a continental in the above
>> configuration, it will have to be put in the next
>> county to get anywhere near the CG range.
>>
>> Mike B Piet N 687MB ( Mr Sam )
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Borodent(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol weight, etc |
Jim, I'm just starting to build, I'm in the same weight class. What engine
are you using, regular or long or extended long fusalage, regular or long
engine mounts
I just purchased ( via the discussion group ) a lycomming 290G ( 125 hp, 244
lb)which I am considering using but not sure yet. Being a G (ground power
unit) it has a lot of off features as a flat pan, single ignition- and it
seems so heavy to hang out front on a piet.
Henry Williams
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | john hodnette <jhodnette(at)tecinfo.com> |
| Subject: | Accomodations for "big men" pilots |
I did not look on the plans, it's 5:30AM, but I measured the right front
cabane from center to center bushings and it is 24 1/4 long. Also, the
engine mount is 21 inches long from center to center. I realize there
is a little play in the position of the Model A, but I think the
objective was to move the engine forward by 2 inches. john h.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | john hodnette <jhodnette(at)tecinfo.com> |
Does anyone remember the name of the motorcycle wheel company that would
make custom rims and spokes for wire piet wheels? I think it was
Concannons in California, but have lost track of their literature. If
not them, does anyone know of another custom rim and spoke
manufacturer? I have already made the hubs and need to get rims and
spokes
Any other Model A fans? I am convinced that the original engine is the
best, but cannot get comfortable with a magneto. Some years back I
talked to the supervisor in the shop at Mallory Ignition systems about
their electronic system for the Pietenpol. He told that he did not
recommend the electronic unit, Uni-something, but he would ride with me
if I used their dual point, centrifugal advance distributor. They
actually make one that fits in the distributor hole without any
modifications. I have been running my engine with a '71 pinto
distributor, but had to enlarge the mounting hole in the head.
I am also looking for an aluminum, high compression head. Any leads?
john h.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | john hodnette <jhodnette(at)tecinfo.com> |
Have any of you tried the ICQ chat service? It is free and works
surprisingly well. You sign up at www.mirabilis.com. When you boot up
your system, icq will tell you if any of your listed users are online.
I have had all four of my traveling family on at the same time. All who
enter the chat can see what the others are saying. Just a thought for
some specific discussions. john h.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
>
> Mike C wrote;
>
> <<-Put in a nose take of 17 gals. >>
>
> Hey Mike, any difference when only 5 gal remain.
>
> Move the wing?
Mike B.-- You bet there is. She gets tail heavy.
Nothing dangerous as my most aft CG with 3 gals.
fuel remaining still falls at 19.75" aft of the LE of the
wing. It's just annoying to hold forward stick.
Fortunately with the kind of flying I do I never get that
low on fuel though.
Mike C.
Mike C wrote;
-Put in a nose take of 17 gals.
Hey Mike, any difference when only 5 gal remain.
Move the wing?
Mike B.-- You bet there is. She gets tail heavy.
Nothing dangerous as my most aft CG with 3 gals.
fuel remaining still falls at 19.75 aft of the LE of the
wing. It's just annoying to hold forward stick.
Fortunately with the kind of flying I do I never get that
low on fuel though.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim VanDervort <dpilot(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol weight, etc |
I used the fuselage that was "renumbered" for the
Corvair engine. The plans showed the short fuselage,
and there was a list of numbers to add to the stations
I guess that would be the long fuselage.
Doesn't make much difference.
I used the Corvair engine.
If I were you, I would use the 290G.
I'm sure Mr. Pietenpol would, too.
Be sure and get the moon shaped metal pieces to put
behind the crank flange to keep the prop on when the
flange breaks. A friend of mine had this happen, and
did not have a big problem, except he had to fix it
later.
JimV.
--- Borodent(at)aol.com wrote:
> Jim, I'm just starting to build, I'm in the same
> weight class. What engine
> are you using, regular or long or extended long
> fusalage, regular or long
> engine mounts
> I just purchased ( via the discussion group ) a
> lycomming 290G ( 125 hp, 244
> lb)which I am considering using but not sure yet.
> Being a G (ground power
> unit) it has a lot of off features as a flat pan,
> single ignition- and it
> seems so heavy to hang out front on a piet.
> Henry Williams
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | leonstefanhutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan) |
| Subject: | Mallory Ignition. |
John Hodnette planned to use automotive ign. I'm just in the building
stage, but one thing I have learned about the Piet is BUILD IT LIGHT! If
you plan to use point type auto stuff, you will also need a battery,
generator, weiring, etc, The Ford A is already a fancy boat anchor with
aluminum head and none of this other stuff. I'm going for utmost
reliability and am banking on a modern Slick magneto for spark. I've got
a Funk head, but Dan Price 7320 Sunbury Rd. Westerville Oh. 43082-9403
sells 6:1 heads for $285. 614-891-2882 Leon S.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jack Cox & Golda |
Thanks Gordon:
There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voiced
here today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. The
organization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.
The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" within reach
of many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. I
personally don't consider many of the kit planes to be real
homebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence the
bureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuilding
products.
I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair or
Glassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or a surplus
F14, but there is room for everybody.
The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our roots and
the kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.
Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom.... they're
doing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.
H.W.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon Brimhall
Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>Sport Aviation Association
>
>They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join and
get
>back to the real roots of aviation.
>
>http://www.sportaviation.org/
>
>Gordon
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM
>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>
>
>> Gordon:
>> What's SAA??
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gordon Brimhall
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>>
>>
>> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA
>>
>> Gordon
>> SAA #952
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Michael D Cuy
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:04 PM
>> Subject: Jack Cox & Golda
>>
>>
>> I know this is off the subject, but as some might have
>> read, Jack Cox and his wife Golda have worked at editing
>> Sport Aviation for 30 years now and are retiring at the
>> end of this month. They will be moving back to the
>> Carolina's where they are from.
>>
>> What is so cool about Jack is that his HEART is into
>> Pietenpols and small affordable homebuilts. This guy
>> is a down to earth, super nice, quiet, professional, to the
>> point person with a good balance in life.
>>
>> There will be at least one article in Sport Aviation on Allen
>> Rudolph's (now owned by Jim Hammond) oldest flying Piet
>> and mine, or possibly two separate articles in the upcoming
>> months. Jack's love of these homebuilts will be evident
>> in the articles. (He'd much rather write about these than $$$
>> planes
>> was the feeling I got.)
>>
>> When I was about to leave for the photo session at Osh Jack
>> came up to me in the early morning with his cup of coffee
>> and talked just like your neighbor would over the fence.
>> Retirement, moving, pension, benefits, vacation time,
>> continuing to write articles for SA...etc. Another writer
>> stepped up to us and introduced himself and Jack told him
>> right away..."hey, get over there and see those Pietenpols....
>> there are some super ones over there." What a neat guy.
>> You'd never know who he was....no name tag, no EAA shirt,
>> no fancy car or motor scooter to rip around in- just his shoes
>> like the rest of us. He came over to Karen and I by the
>> Piet and spoke with us a minute or two one day, then
>> was off- on foot. What a neat couple. I doubt they will
>> be easily replaced.
>>
>> Mike C.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mallory Ignition. |
Is Dan's head a single sparkplug or a dual sparkplug head??? I saw a dual
sparkplug head at the Benton Flyin but I didn't seem to come home with any
information.
Greg Yotz
80% complete and 80% to go....
-----Original Message-----
From: Leon Stefan <leonstefanhutks(at)webtv.net>
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 7:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mallory Ignition.
John Hodnette planned to use automotive ign. I'm just in the building
stage, but one thing I have learned about the Piet is BUILD IT LIGHT! If
you plan to use point type auto stuff, you will also need a battery,
generator, weiring, etc, The Ford A is already a fancy boat anchor with
aluminum head and none of this other stuff. I'm going for utmost
reliability and am banking on a modern Slick magneto for spark. I've got
a Funk head, but Dan Price 7320 Sunbury Rd. Westerville Oh. 43082-9403
sells 6:1 heads for $285. 614-891-2882 Leon S.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mbell1(at)columbiaenergygroup.com |
Your mention of "holding the stick forward" reminds me of a question that I was
going to ask. There doesn't seem to be any mention anywhere of trim tabs
other than a fixed one on the rudder of some Piets. Is this because this is
not a cross country airplane? ( That can obviously be discounted by the folks
who flew Piets ot Oshkosh and Brodhead this year.)
Mike Bell
Columbia, SC
Maiser(at)adena.byu.edu on 09/22/99 08:54:52 AM
Please respond to piet(at)byu.edu @ INTERNET
cc:
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: CG
>
> Mike C wrote;
>
> <<-Put in a nose take of 17 gals. >>
>
> Hey Mike, any difference when only 5 gal remain.
>
> Move the wing?
Mike B.-- You bet there is. She gets tail heavy.
Nothing dangerous as my most aft CG with 3 gals.
fuel remaining still falls at 19.75" aft of the LE of the
wing. It's just annoying to hold forward stick.
Fortunately with the kind of flying I do I never get that
low on fuel though.
Mike C.
Mike C wrote;
-Put in a nose take of 17 gals.
Hey Mike, any difference when only 5 gal remain.
Move the wing?
Mike B.-- You bet there is. She gets tail heavy.
Nothing dangerous as my most aft CG with 3 gals.
fuel remaining still falls at 19.75 aft of the LE of the
wing. It's just annoying to hold forward stick.
Fortunately with the kind of flying I do I never get that
low on fuel though.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
| Subject: | Re: a family relation ??? |
I talked to a gentlemen at Oshkosh this year in the wood building area.
(where they teach you to make ribs..)
He had a Flybaby and wanted to sell it. I got his name and phone number but
have been unable to find it. He keeps it at the hanger across the airport
at Wittmans.
Greg Yotz
80% done... 80% to go...
-----Original Message-----
From: Copinfo <Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a family relation ???
>It's not sacrilege to desire a Fly Baby. I have a Piet and am looking
>forward to the day I can get my hands on a Fly Baby. They're both neat
>homebuilts.
>Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com
>Tim Cunningham
>Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510
>
>> I have long been an admirer of Piet Bower's Fly Baby [Oops I think
>>I misspelled his name ;-) ], and cannot help but see a family relation
>>between it and the Bernie Pietenpol's designs. If Bernie had built a
>>low wing version of the Sky Scout it would have been a Fly Baby......
>>He had to leave that for someone else.... ;-)
>> Any other Fly Baby admirer's out there??
>>
>> I must confess to have at times had twisted fantacies of low wing
>>Piet's. Please pardon me for this digression but I just had to get
>>that off my chest..... I feel ooh so much better now..... Please don't
>>burn me at the stake for my sacriledge
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace |
So that is how I can get better climb.... Put a machine gun on the back
cockpit and fire backwards.
GY
-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon Brimhall
Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 6:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace
>Doesn't fly fast enough, the bullets would push the piet backwards.:-)
>
>Gordon
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mbell1(at)columbiaenergygroup.com>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:27 PM
>Subject: Re: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace
>
>
>> Why not stick a couple of machine guns on your Piet andcall it a
Nieuport?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Maiser(at)adena.byu.edu on 09/21/99 05:07:43 PM
>> Please respond to piet(at)byu.edu @ INTERNET
>>
>>
>> To: piet(at)byu.edu @ INTERNET
>> cc:
>>
>> Subject: Re: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace
>>
>> If you live around Kansas City and the infamous Dick Starkes, I'd also
>> build a nice D-VII to go Neiport hunting in. However, I do love his
>> writings and loved his book. It's well worth the read. I get some
>> unpublished stuff from him from time to time and just love it.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Gordon Brimhall wrote:
>>
>> > Don't say that word to fast, might get tongue tied.
>> >
>> > I thought about building a Fokker and chase the Nieuports. My roots go
>back
>> > to both Germany and England.
>> >
>> > Also Kansas and Arkansas, MO, Mass,
>> >
>> > Gordon
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
>> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:24 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace
>> >
>> >
>> > > And I don't look a day ofer 32 ;-). It's amazing what hunting a few
>> > > Fokkers will do for you. Especially when them Fokkers are Spads. ;-)
>> > >
>> > > Ken
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Gordon Brimhall wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > WOW
>> > > >
>> > > > You mean you are 102 and building another airplane?
>> > > >
>> > > > Capt. Beanlands Sir
>> > > >
>> > > > Gordon
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > From: Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca>
>> > > > To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:54 AM
>> > > > Subject: Capt. Beanlands, WW1 Ace
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > Well, it would seem that this strange sickness called Aviation
>must be
>> > > > > hereditary. In my research of the DH-82, I stumbled across this
>little
>> > > > > gem:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > http://theaerodrome.com/aces/canada/beanland.html
>> > > > >
>> > > > > How very COOL! Too bad he didn't survive the war. So, maybe I
>should
>> > look
>> > > > > at building that 7/8 scale S.E.5a instead of the Tiger Moth ;-).
I
>can
>> > do
>> > > > > it up in his squadron colors and put an authentic "Capt.
>beanlands" on
>> > the
>> > > > > side.....
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
>> > > > > Calgary, Alberta, Canada
>> > > > > Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
>> > > > > <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
>> > > Calgary, Alberta, Canada
>> > > Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
>> > > <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>> Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
>> Calgary, Alberta, Canada
>> Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
>> <http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Jack Cox & Golda |
Well you know that at Osh the majority of the people don't see the Grass
Roots type of aircraft, I understand they are kept way away from the John Q
Public.
And the UL's are even farther away.
As the SAA says to all, their is room for both Orgs to be around.
Gordon
SAA # 952
EAA # 0595215
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net> |
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:12 PM
| Subject: | Re: Jack Cox & Golda |
> Thanks Gordon:
> There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voiced
> here today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. The
> organization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.
> The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" within reach
> of many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. I
> personally don't consider many of the kit planes to be real
> homebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence the
> bureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuilding
> products.
> I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair or
> Glassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or a surplus
> F14, but there is room for everybody.
> The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our roots and
> the kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.
> Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom.... they're
> doing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.
>
> H.W.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gordon Brimhall
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>
>
> >Sport Aviation Association
> >
> >They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join and
> get
> >back to the real roots of aviation.
> >
> >http://www.sportaviation.org/
> >
> >Gordon
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net>
> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM
> >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
> >
> >
> >> Gordon:
> >> What's SAA??
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Gordon Brimhall
> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:51 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
> >>
> >>
> >> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA
> >>
> >> Gordon
> >> SAA #952
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Michael D Cuy
> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:04 PM
> >> Subject: Jack Cox & Golda
> >>
> >>
> >> I know this is off the subject, but as some might have
> >> read, Jack Cox and his wife Golda have worked at editing
> >> Sport Aviation for 30 years now and are retiring at the
> >> end of this month. They will be moving back to the
> >> Carolina's where they are from.
> >>
> >> What is so cool about Jack is that his HEART is into
> >> Pietenpols and small affordable homebuilts. This guy
> >> is a down to earth, super nice, quiet, professional, to the
> >> point person with a good balance in life.
> >>
> >> There will be at least one article in Sport Aviation on Allen
> >> Rudolph's (now owned by Jim Hammond) oldest flying Piet
> >> and mine, or possibly two separate articles in the upcoming
> >> months. Jack's love of these homebuilts will be evident
> >> in the articles. (He'd much rather write about these than $$$
> >> planes
> >> was the feeling I got.)
> >>
> >> When I was about to leave for the photo session at Osh Jack
> >> came up to me in the early morning with his cup of coffee
> >> and talked just like your neighbor would over the fence.
> >> Retirement, moving, pension, benefits, vacation time,
> >> continuing to write articles for SA...etc. Another writer
> >> stepped up to us and introduced himself and Jack told him
> >> right away..."hey, get over there and see those Pietenpols....
> >> there are some super ones over there." What a neat guy.
> >> You'd never know who he was....no name tag, no EAA shirt,
> >> no fancy car or motor scooter to rip around in- just his shoes
> >> like the rest of us. He came over to Karen and I by the
> >> Piet and spoke with us a minute or two one day, then
> >> was off- on foot. What a neat couple. I doubt they will
> >> be easily replaced.
> >>
> >> Mike C.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Hole A on left front lift\gear fitting |
You are right, it is a 1/4 inch hole and not a 3/16 inch hole. I still think it
is the fitting attach hole and had to be moved to make room for the landing
gear attach lug. The diameter was probably increased from 3/16 inch to 1/4 inch
to compensate for being moved closer to the other hole.
Bart D Conrad
Boeing Field Service
DC-9/MD-80/DC-10 & 737 Heavy Mtc
Phone: 713-640-5882/713-324-4192
Fax: 713-640-5891
Pager: 713-318-1625
> ----------
> From: walter evans[SMTP:wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 6:37 PM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Hole A on left front lift\gear fitting
>
> My print shows this hole too. This is a 1/4" hole ,as well as the 3/16" bolt
> holes, and it says that it is in this fitting only. Only thing that came to
> my mind, was for airspeed tube hole....Yeah, what is that hole for???
> walt
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Conrad, Bart D
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Monday, September 20, 1999 9:45 AM
> Subject: RE: Hole A on left front lift\gear fitting
>
>
> >Hole "A" is a 3/16 inch dia hole like the others. That hole, on that
> fitting, is moved over so that you can install the hinge lug. Look at the
> top right hand side of the split axle landing gear drawing (left front
> fitting). The lug is moved forward so the shock strut tubing will not
> contact each other.
> >Bart D Conrad
> >Boeing Field Service
> >DC-9/MD-80/DC-10 & 737 Heavy Mtc
> >Phone: 713-640-5882/713-324-4192
> >Fax: 713-640-5891
> >Pager: 713-318-1625
> >
> >> ----------
> >> From: PTNPOL(at)aol.com[SMTP:PTNPOL(at)aol.com]
> >> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 11:00 AM
> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> Subject: Re: Hole A on left front lift\gear fitting
> >>
> >> Does anyone know what the hole "A" is used for on the left front fitting
> per
> >> the
> >> 1934 plans for the split axle gear?
> >>
> >> Do you put the 3/16" holes as well as the 1/4" hole on the fitting for a
> >> total of
> >> 3 holes on the bottom of the fitting plate?
> >>
> >> Thanks for the help
> >>
> >> Ron Lebfrom
> >>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jack Cox & Golda |
Does anybody know if there is a SAA web site?
GY
-----Original Message-----
From: Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net>
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 8:05 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>Thanks Gordon:
> There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voiced
>here today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. The
>organization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.
>The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" within reach
>of many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. I
>personally don't consider many of the kit planes to be real
>homebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence the
>bureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuilding
>products.
> I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair or
>Glassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or a surplus
>F14, but there is room for everybody.
> The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our roots and
>the kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.
>Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom.... they're
>doing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.
>
>H.W.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gordon Brimhall
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:59 PM
>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>
>
>>Sport Aviation Association
>>
>>They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join and
>get
>>back to the real roots of aviation.
>>
>>http://www.sportaviation.org/
>>
>>Gordon
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net>
>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM
>>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>>
>>
>>> Gordon:
>>> What's SAA??
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Gordon Brimhall
>>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:51 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA
>>>
>>> Gordon
>>> SAA #952
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Michael D Cuy
>>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:04 PM
>>> Subject: Jack Cox & Golda
>>>
>>>
>>> I know this is off the subject, but as some might have
>>> read, Jack Cox and his wife Golda have worked at editing
>>> Sport Aviation for 30 years now and are retiring at the
>>> end of this month. They will be moving back to the
>>> Carolina's where they are from.
>>>
>>> What is so cool about Jack is that his HEART is into
>>> Pietenpols and small affordable homebuilts. This guy
>>> is a down to earth, super nice, quiet, professional, to the
>>> point person with a good balance in life.
>>>
>>> There will be at least one article in Sport Aviation on Allen
>>> Rudolph's (now owned by Jim Hammond) oldest flying Piet
>>> and mine, or possibly two separate articles in the upcoming
>>> months. Jack's love of these homebuilts will be evident
>>> in the articles. (He'd much rather write about these than $$$
>>> planes
>>> was the feeling I got.)
>>>
>>> When I was about to leave for the photo session at Osh Jack
>>> came up to me in the early morning with his cup of coffee
>>> and talked just like your neighbor would over the fence.
>>> Retirement, moving, pension, benefits, vacation time,
>>> continuing to write articles for SA...etc. Another writer
>>> stepped up to us and introduced himself and Jack told him
>>> right away..."hey, get over there and see those Pietenpols....
>>> there are some super ones over there." What a neat guy.
>>> You'd never know who he was....no name tag, no EAA shirt,
>>> no fancy car or motor scooter to rip around in- just his shoes
>>> like the rest of us. He came over to Karen and I by the
>>> Piet and spoke with us a minute or two one day, then
>>> was off- on foot. What a neat couple. I doubt they will
>>> be easily replaced.
>>>
>>> Mike C.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TXTdragger(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Jack Cox & Golda |
Grodon
The SAA sounds like my kind of interest. How do you find more info, if
posted earlier, I missed it. Will still stay in EAA, because of all the
"good stuff' that goes along with membership.
Thanks
John Davis EAA #516526 Houston,TX
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips (EUS)" <EUSJCPH(at)am1.ericsson.se> |
| Subject: | RE: Jack Cox & Golda |
Thanks Howard,
I agree that the new EAA logo doesn't appeal to me - the old one is so readily
identifiable on the back of somebody's bumper 3 cars ahead of you, but I think
the EAA has done an outstanding job of gathering all of the facets of Sport Aviation
under it's tent. It is still an organization of homebuilders, and always
will be. But it offers something to just about anybody who understands that
the greatest gift that aviation conveys to the world is not commerce or military
value, but fun. No other organization does that. The AOPA certainly doesn't.
I agree with you also about most of the kit planes out there (although there is
a certain appeal to an RV-4). I currently have a Pietenpol and an Osprey 2 under
construction, so I obviously gravitate towards the plans built type planes,
but there is a life and vibrancy about the whole homebuilt movement that was
not there before the kits were around.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Howard Wilkinson [SMTP:owly(at)mcn.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 1:13 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>
> Thanks Gordon:
> There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voiced
> here today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. The
> organization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.
> The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" within reach
> of many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. I
> personally don't consider many of the kit planes to be real
> homebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence the
> bureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuilding
> products.
> I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair or
> Glassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or a surplus
> F14, but there is room for everybody.
> The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our roots and
> the kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.
> Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom.... they're
> doing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.
>
> H.W.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gordon Brimhall
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>
>
> >Sport Aviation Association
> >
> >They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join and
> get
> >back to the real roots of aviation.
> >
> >http://www.sportaviation.org/
> >
> >Gordon
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net>
> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM
> >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
> >
> >
> >> Gordon:
> >> What's SAA??
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Gordon Brimhall
> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:51 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
> >>
> >>
> >> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA
> >>
> >> Gordon
> >> SAA #952
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Michael D Cuy
> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:04 PM
> >> Subject: Jack Cox & Golda
> >>
> >>
> >> I know this is off the subject, but as some might have
> >> read, Jack Cox and his wife Golda have worked at editing
> >> Sport Aviation for 30 years now and are retiring at the
> >> end of this month. They will be moving back to the
> >> Carolina's where they are from.
> >>
> >> What is so cool about Jack is that his HEART is into
> >> Pietenpols and small affordable homebuilts. This guy
> >> is a down to earth, super nice, quiet, professional, to the
> >> point person with a good balance in life.
> >>
> >> There will be at least one article in Sport Aviation on Allen>
> >> Rudolph's (now owned by Jim Hammond) oldest flying Piet
> >> and mine, or possibly two separate articles in the upcoming
> >> months. Jack's love of these homebuilts will be evident
> >> in the articles. (He'd much rather write about these than $$$
> >> planes
> >> was the feeling I got.)
> >>
> >> When I was about to leave for the photo session at Osh Jack
> >> came up to me in the early morning with his cup of coffee
> >> and talked just like your neighbor would over the fence.
> >> Retirement, moving, pension, benefits, vacation time,
> >> continuing to write articles for SA...etc. Another writer
> >> stepped up to us and introduced himself and Jack told him
> >> right away..."hey, get over there and see those Pietenpols....
> >> there are some super ones over there." What a neat guy.
> >> You'd never know who he was....no name tag, no EAA shirt,
> >> no fancy car or motor scooter to rip around in- just his shoes
> >> like the rest of us. He came over to Karen and I by the
> >> Piet and spoke with us a minute or two one day, then
> >> was off- on foot. What a neat couple. I doubt they will
> >> be easily replaced.
> >>
> >> Mike C.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Jack Cox & Golda |
http://www.sportaviation.com/
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 7:05 AM
| Subject: | Re: Jack Cox & Golda |
> Does anybody know if there is a SAA web site?
>
> GY
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 8:05 AM
> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>
>
> >Thanks Gordon:
> > There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voiced
> >here today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. The
> >organization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.
> >The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" within reach
> >of many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. I
> >personally don't consider many of the kit planes to be real
> >homebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence the
> >bureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuilding
> >products.
> > I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair or
> >Glassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or a surplus
> >F14, but there is room for everybody.
> > The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our roots and
> >the kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.
> >Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom.... they're
> >doing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.
> >
> >H.W.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Gordon Brimhall
> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:59 PM
> >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
> >
> >
> >>Sport Aviation Association
> >>
> >>They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join and
> >get
> >>back to the real roots of aviation.
> >>
> >>http://www.sportaviation.org/
> >>
> >>Gordon
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net>
> >>To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM
> >>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
> >>
> >>
> >>> Gordon:
> >>> What's SAA??
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Gordon Brimhall
> >>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >>> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:51 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA
> >>>
> >>> Gordon
> >>> SAA #952
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Michael D Cuy
> >>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:04 PM
> >>> Subject: Jack Cox & Golda
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I know this is off the subject, but as some might have
> >>> read, Jack Cox and his wife Golda have worked at editing
> >>> Sport Aviation for 30 years now and are retiring at the
> >>> end of this month. They will be moving back to the
> >>> Carolina's where they are from.
> >>>
> >>> What is so cool about Jack is that his HEART is into
> >>> Pietenpols and small affordable homebuilts. This guy
> >>> is a down to earth, super nice, quiet, professional, to the
> >>> point person with a good balance in life.
> >>>
> >>> There will be at least one article in Sport Aviation on Allen
> >>> Rudolph's (now owned by Jim Hammond) oldest flying Piet
> >>> and mine, or possibly two separate articles in the upcoming
> >>> months. Jack's love of these homebuilts will be evident
> >>> in the articles. (He'd much rather write about these than $$$
> >>> planes
> >>> was the feeling I got.)
> >>>
> >>> When I was about to leave for the photo session at Osh Jack
> >>> came up to me in the early morning with his cup of coffee
> >>> and talked just like your neighbor would over the fence.
> >>> Retirement, moving, pension, benefits, vacation time,
> >>> continuing to write articles for SA...etc. Another writer
> >>> stepped up to us and introduced himself and Jack told him
> >>> right away..."hey, get over there and see those Pietenpols....
> >>> there are some super ones over there." What a neat guy.
> >>> You'd never know who he was....no name tag, no EAA shirt,
> >>> no fancy car or motor scooter to rip around in- just his shoes
> >>> like the rest of us. He came over to Karen and I by the
> >>> Piet and spoke with us a minute or two one day, then
> >>> was off- on foot. What a neat couple. I doubt they will
> >>> be easily replaced.
> >>>
> >>> Mike C.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Jack Cox & Golda |
MIstake on that one.
it is http://www.sportaviation.org/
They other one will take you to a aviation web site though as I just found
out.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 7:30 AM
| Subject: | Re: Jack Cox & Golda |
> http://www.sportaviation.com/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 7:05 AM
> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>
>
> > Does anybody know if there is a SAA web site?
> >
> > GY
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net>
> > To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 8:05 AM
> > Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
> >
> >
> > >Thanks Gordon:
> > > There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voiced
> > >here today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. The
> > >organization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.
> > >The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" within reach
> > >of many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. I
> > >personally don't consider many of the kit planes to be real
> > >homebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence the
> > >bureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuilding
> > >products.
> > > I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair or
> > >Glassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or a surplus
> > >F14, but there is room for everybody.
> > > The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our roots and
> > >the kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.
> > >Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom.... they're
> > >doing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.
> > >
> > >H.W.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Gordon Brimhall
> > >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:59 PM
> > >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
> > >
> > >
> > >>Sport Aviation Association
> > >>
> > >>They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join and
> > >get
> > >>back to the real roots of aviation.
> > >>
> > >>http://www.sportaviation.org/
> > >>
> > >>Gordon
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net>
> > >>To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM
> > >>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Gordon:
> > >>> What's SAA??
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Gordon Brimhall
> > >>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >>> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:51 PM
> > >>> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA
> > >>>
> > >>> Gordon
> > >>> SAA #952
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: Michael D Cuy
> > >>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:04 PM
> > >>> Subject: Jack Cox & Golda
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I know this is off the subject, but as some might have
> > >>> read, Jack Cox and his wife Golda have worked at editing
> > >>> Sport Aviation for 30 years now and are retiring at the
> > >>> end of this month. They will be moving back to the
> > >>> Carolina's where they are from.
> > >>>
> > >>> What is so cool about Jack is that his HEART is into
> > >>> Pietenpols and small affordable homebuilts. This guy
> > >>> is a down to earth, super nice, quiet, professional, to the
> > >>> point person with a good balance in life.
> > >>>
> > >>> There will be at least one article in Sport Aviation on Allen
> > >>> Rudolph's (now owned by Jim Hammond) oldest flying Piet
> > >>> and mine, or possibly two separate articles in the upcoming
> > >>> months. Jack's love of these homebuilts will be evident
> > >>> in the articles. (He'd much rather write about these than $$$
> > >>> planes
> > >>> was the feeling I got.)
> > >>>
> > >>> When I was about to leave for the photo session at Osh Jack
> > >>> came up to me in the early morning with his cup of coffee
> > >>> and talked just like your neighbor would over the fence.
> > >>> Retirement, moving, pension, benefits, vacation time,
> > >>> continuing to write articles for SA...etc. Another writer
> > >>> stepped up to us and introduced himself and Jack told him
> > >>> right away..."hey, get over there and see those Pietenpols....
> > >>> there are some super ones over there." What a neat guy.
> > >>> You'd never know who he was....no name tag, no EAA shirt,
> > >>> no fancy car or motor scooter to rip around in- just his shoes
> > >>> like the rest of us. He came over to Karen and I by the
> > >>> Piet and spoke with us a minute or two one day, then
> > >>> was off- on foot. What a neat couple. I doubt they will
> > >>> be easily replaced.
> > >>>
> > >>> Mike C.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net> |
| Subject: | J.Q. Public and homebuilding was: Jack Cox & Golda |
Gordon:
When I spend a week as Oshkosh a number of years ago, the area to
the right of the walkway from the main gate to the anouncers stand was
full of interesting (to me) aircraft. Piets, Baby aces, Fly babys,
Baby Lakes, Heath Parasols, and numerous other interesting odds and
ends. This area was a peaceful grassy oasis is a sea of fast glass,
and I spent many happy hours visiting with folks around these
aircraft. Perhaps they have been moved to a farther area...... I have
no idea, but I suspect that these folks do not really want to be in a
high traffic area..... Were I to fly a lovingly hand crafted aircraft
to Oshkosh I don't think I would be really excited about having it
pawed by the "unwashed millions".
I had the privelege of meeting Steve W. who had his inverted Olds
V8 powered tailwind there, Molt Taylor, who had the "paper" Micro Imp,
Jerry Ritz with his Ritz special. Thankfully everybody was flocking
to Burt Rutan's glass workshops, Chris Heintz's build a Zenith in a
week effort, and B.J. Schramm's Scorpion II & Exce displays, leaving
the people I really wanted to visit with free.
I suspect that the same is more or less true these days..... If
you want to drool over the Lancair, or a prepunched lego kit by
Richard Vangruvsen, or any of these popular kit planes (great aircraft
all, but not true homebuilts), you will be bumped and jostled by
millions, but if you like me gravitate towards the less traveled areas
you will get to meet the people you respect and admire and the craft
they have built or designed and built. Sheep will always flock
together in large groups. There are enough examples of the
traditional type homebuilts that those with the drive to build an
affordable aircraft will find them..... Let's face it, most of JQ
public do not have the drive and determination to see such a project
through, and those who do will surely be able to find what they want.
H.W.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon Brimhall
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 6:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>Well you know that at Osh the majority of the people don't see the
Grass
>Roots type of aircraft, I understand they are kept way away from the
John Q
>Public.
>And the UL's are even farther away.
>
>As the SAA says to all, their is room for both Orgs to be around.
>
>Gordon
>SAA # 952
>EAA # 0595215
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:12 PM
>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>
>
>> Thanks Gordon:
>> There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voiced
>> here today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. The
>> organization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.
>> The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" within
reach
>> of many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. I
>> personally don't consider many of the kit planes to be real
>> homebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence the
>> bureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuilding
>> products.
>> I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair or
>> Glassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or a
surplus
>> F14, but there is room for everybody.
>> The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our roots
and
>> the kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.
>> Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom....
they're
>> doing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.
>>
>> H.W.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gordon Brimhall
>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>>
>>
>> >Sport Aviation Association
>> >
>> >They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join
and
>> get
>> >back to the real roots of aviation.
>> >
>> >http://www.sportaviation.org/
>> >
>> >Gordon
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net>
>> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> >Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM
>> >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>> >
>> >
>> >> Gordon:
>> >> What's SAA??
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Gordon Brimhall
>> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> >> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:51 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA
>> >>
>> >> Gordon
>> >> SAA #952
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: Michael D Cuy
>> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:04 PM
>> >> Subject: Jack Cox & Golda
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I know this is off the subject, but as some might have
>> >> read, Jack Cox and his wife Golda have worked at editing
>> >> Sport Aviation for 30 years now and are retiring at the
>> >> end of this month. They will be moving back to the
>> >> Carolina's where they are from.
>> >>
>> >> What is so cool about Jack is that his HEART is into
>> >> Pietenpols and small affordable homebuilts. This guy
>> >> is a down to earth, super nice, quiet, professional, to the
>> >> point person with a good balance in life.
>> >>
>> >> There will be at least one article in Sport Aviation on Allen
>> >> Rudolph's (now owned by Jim Hammond) oldest flying Piet
>> >> and mine, or possibly two separate articles in the upcoming
>> >> months. Jack's love of these homebuilts will be evident
>> >> in the articles. (He'd much rather write about these than $$$
>> >> planes
>> >> was the feeling I got.)
>> >>
>> >> When I was about to leave for the photo session at Osh Jack
>> >> came up to me in the early morning with his cup of coffee
>> >> and talked just like your neighbor would over the fence.
>> >> Retirement, moving, pension, benefits, vacation time,
>> >> continuing to write articles for SA...etc. Another writer
>> >> stepped up to us and introduced himself and Jack told him
>> >> right away..."hey, get over there and see those Pietenpols....
>> >> there are some super ones over there." What a neat guy.
>> >> You'd never know who he was....no name tag, no EAA shirt,
>> >> no fancy car or motor scooter to rip around in- just his shoes
>> >> like the rest of us. He came over to Karen and I by the
>> >> Piet and spoke with us a minute or two one day, then
>> >> was off- on foot. What a neat couple. I doubt they will
>> >> be easily replaced.
>> >>
>> >> Mike C.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | LaurenMWilliams(at)webtv.net (Lauren Williams) |
Status: RO
Buchanan's Frame Shop
629 East Garvey Ave.
Monterey Park CA 91754
818 969-4655
I spoke with Robert. If they don't answer, it's probably because of the
noise of the machines in the shop, hammering out the rolled threads on
the spokes that they make.
They can lace up wheels on your home made hubs. Robert reminded me to
offset the holes in the hubs, for the inside and outside row of spokes.
Apparently they had had someone send them hubs with the holes directly
opposite each other, which doesn't really work very well.
Lauren
mailsorter-102-3.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-d/ms.dwm.v7+dul2)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 06:02:59 -0400
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | john hodnette <jhodnette(at)tecinfo.com> |
Mercury MTS v1.44 (NDS)) (via Mercury MTS v1.44 (NDS)) (via Mercury
MTS v1.44 (NDS)) (via Mercury MTS v1.44 (NDS)) (via Mercury MTS
v1.44 (NDS)) (via Mercury MTS v1.44 (NDS))
Does anyone remember the name of the motorcycle wheel company that would
make custom rims and spokes for wire piet wheels? I think it was
Concannons in California, but have lost track of their literature. If
not them, does anyone know of another custom rim and spoke
manufacturer? I have already made the hubs and need to get rims and
spokes
Any other Model A fans? I am convinced that the original engine is the
best, but cannot get comfortable with a magneto. Some years back I
talked to the supervisor in the shop at Mallory Ignition systems about
their electronic system for the Pietenpol. He told that he did not
recommend the electronic unit, Uni-something, but he would ride with me
if I used their dual point, centrifugal advance distributor. They
actually make one that fits in the distributor hole without any
modifications. I have been running my engine with a '71 pinto
distributor, but had to enlarge the mounting hole in the head.
I am also looking for an aluminum, high compression head. Any leads?
john h.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Mallory Ignition. |
This "Price" head is the one that I used on my Scout. Hasn't been started
yet but workmanship is great. My 6:1 is a single spark plug per
cylinder........
Earl Myers
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 9:35 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mallory Ignition.
>Is Dan's head a single sparkplug or a dual sparkplug head??? I saw a dual
>sparkplug head at the Benton Flyin but I didn't seem to come home with any
>information.
>
>Greg Yotz
>80% complete and 80% to go....
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Leon Stefan <leonstefanhutks(at)webtv.net>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 7:48 AM
>Subject: Mallory Ignition.
>
>
>John Hodnette planned to use automotive ign. I'm just in the building
>stage, but one thing I have learned about the Piet is BUILD IT LIGHT! If
>you plan to use point type auto stuff, you will also need a battery,
>generator, weiring, etc, The Ford A is already a fancy boat anchor with
>aluminum head and none of this other stuff. I'm going for utmost
>reliability and am banking on a modern Slick magneto for spark. I've got
>a Funk head, but Dan Price 7320 Sunbury Rd. Westerville Oh. 43082-9403
>sells 6:1 heads for $285. 614-891-2882 Leon S.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: J.Q. Public and homebuilding was: Jack Cox & Golda |
Iwas their in June 98 but not for the big show, I only heard about the
places they stuck the UL's and such from those who were their, If you don't
want Joe Public to look at your plane and enjoy all the work you have done I
suggest you keep it at home. But some people like the average Joe to see
their good work, I would just put ropes around the plane. Piet people at
Broadhead don't have to worry much. I remember the Air Show at Edwards AFB
Chap 1000 invited only the High Dollar RV's and Lancairs and others,
Everybody had the name and price tag posted on like other shows. I tried to
talk to a RV owner and he was sure not very helpfull when I mentioned I was
wanting to build a Wood/Fab aircraft first. He told me if I didn't have an
extra 50,000 to play with I should find another hobbie like model airplanes.
AH
Something for everybody in EAA as you say.
Gordon
RW-1 Piet
Mohawk MK IV
Q-1
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net> |
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 9:04 AM
| Subject: | J.Q. Public and homebuilding was: Jack Cox & Golda |
> Gordon:
> When I spend a week as Oshkosh a number of years ago, the area to
> the right of the walkway from the main gate to the anouncers stand was
> full of interesting (to me) aircraft. Piets, Baby aces, Fly babys,
> Baby Lakes, Heath Parasols, and numerous other interesting odds and
> ends. This area was a peaceful grassy oasis is a sea of fast glass,
> and I spent many happy hours visiting with folks around these
> aircraft. Perhaps they have been moved to a farther area...... I have
> no idea, but I suspect that these folks do not really want to be in a
> high traffic area..... Were I to fly a lovingly hand crafted aircraft
> to Oshkosh I don't think I would be really excited about having it
> pawed by the "unwashed millions".
> I had the privelege of meeting Steve W. who had his inverted Olds
> V8 powered tailwind there, Molt Taylor, who had the "paper" Micro Imp,
> Jerry Ritz with his Ritz special. Thankfully everybody was flocking
> to Burt Rutan's glass workshops, Chris Heintz's build a Zenith in a
> week effort, and B.J. Schramm's Scorpion II & Exce displays, leaving
> the people I really wanted to visit with free.
> I suspect that the same is more or less true these days..... If
> you want to drool over the Lancair, or a prepunched lego kit by
> Richard Vangruvsen, or any of these popular kit planes (great aircraft
> all, but not true homebuilts), you will be bumped and jostled by
> millions, but if you like me gravitate towards the less traveled areas
> you will get to meet the people you respect and admire and the craft
> they have built or designed and built. Sheep will always flock
> together in large groups. There are enough examples of the
> traditional type homebuilts that those with the drive to build an
> affordable aircraft will find them..... Let's face it, most of JQ
> public do not have the drive and determination to see such a project
> through, and those who do will surely be able to find what they want.
>
> H.W.
>
> H.W.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gordon Brimhall
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 6:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>
>
> >Well you know that at Osh the majority of the people don't see the
> Grass
> >Roots type of aircraft, I understand they are kept way away from the
> John Q
> >Public.
> >And the UL's are even farther away.
> >
> >As the SAA says to all, their is room for both Orgs to be around.
> >
> >Gordon
> >SAA # 952
> >EAA # 0595215
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net>
> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:12 PM
> >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
> >
> >
> >> Thanks Gordon:
> >> There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voiced
> >> here today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. The
> >> organization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.
> >> The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" within
> reach
> >> of many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. I
> >> personally don't consider many of the kit planes to be real
> >> homebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence the
> >> bureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuilding
> >> products.
> >> I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair or
> >> Glassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or a
> surplus
> >> F14, but there is room for everybody.
> >> The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our roots
> and
> >> the kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.
> >> Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom....
> they're
> >> doing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.
> >>
> >> H.W.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Gordon Brimhall
> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:59 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
> >>
> >>
> >> >Sport Aviation Association
> >> >
> >> >They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join
> and
> >> get
> >> >back to the real roots of aviation.
> >> >
> >> >http://www.sportaviation.org/
> >> >
> >> >Gordon
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net>
> >> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> >Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM
> >> >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Gordon:
> >> >> What's SAA??
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Gordon Brimhall
> >> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> >> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:51 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA
> >> >>
> >> >> Gordon
> >> >> SAA #952
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: Michael D Cuy
> >> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:04 PM
> >> >> Subject: Jack Cox & Golda
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I know this is off the subject, but as some might have
> >> >> read, Jack Cox and his wife Golda have worked at editing
> >> >> Sport Aviation for 30 years now and are retiring at the
> >> >> end of this month. They will be moving back to the
> >> >> Carolina's where they are from.
> >> >>
> >> >> What is so cool about Jack is that his HEART is into
> >> >> Pietenpols and small affordable homebuilts. This guy
> >> >> is a down to earth, super nice, quiet, professional, to the
> >> >> point person with a good balance in life.
> >> >>
> >> >> There will be at least one article in Sport Aviation on Allen
> >> >> Rudolph's (now owned by Jim Hammond) oldest flying Piet
> >> >> and mine, or possibly two separate articles in the upcoming
> >> >> months. Jack's love of these homebuilts will be evident
> >> >> in the articles. (He'd much rather write about these than $$$
> >> >> planes
> >> >> was the feeling I got.)
> >> >>
> >> >> When I was about to leave for the photo session at Osh Jack
> >> >> came up to me in the early morning with his cup of coffee
> >> >> and talked just like your neighbor would over the fence.
> >> >> Retirement, moving, pension, benefits, vacation time,
> >> >> continuing to write articles for SA...etc. Another writer
> >> >> stepped up to us and introduced himself and Jack told him
> >> >> right away..."hey, get over there and see those Pietenpols....
> >> >> there are some super ones over there." What a neat guy.
> >> >> You'd never know who he was....no name tag, no EAA shirt,
> >> >> no fancy car or motor scooter to rip around in- just his shoes
> >> >> like the rest of us. He came over to Karen and I by the
> >> >> Piet and spoke with us a minute or two one day, then
> >> >> was off- on foot. What a neat couple. I doubt they will
> >> >> be easily replaced.
> >> >>
> >> >> Mike C.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Jack Cox & Golda |
yes, www.sportaviation.org
> -----Original Message-----
> Greg Yotz
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 9:05 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>
>
> Does anybody know if there is a SAA web site?
>
> GY
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net>
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 8:05 AM
> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>
>
> >Thanks Gordon:
> > There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voiced
> >here today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. The
> >organization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.
> >The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" within reach
> >of many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. I
> >personally don't consider many of the kit planes to be real
> >homebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence the
> >bureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuilding
> >products.
> > I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair or
> >Glassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or a surplus
> >F14, but there is room for everybody.
> > The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our roots and
> >the kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.
> >Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom.... they're
> >doing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.
> >
> >H.W.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Gordon Brimhall
> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:59 PM
> >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
> >
> >
> >>Sport Aviation Association
> >>
> >>They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join and
> >get
> >>back to the real roots of aviation.
> >>
> >>http://www.sportaviation.org/
> >>
> >>Gordon
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net>
> >>To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM
> >>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
> >>
> >>
> >>> Gordon:
> >>> What's SAA??
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Gordon Brimhall
> >>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >>> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:51 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA
> >>>
> >>> Gordon
> >>> SAA #952
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Michael D Cuy
> >>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:04 PM
> >>> Subject: Jack Cox & Golda
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I know this is off the subject, but as some might have
> >>> read, Jack Cox and his wife Golda have worked at editing
> >>> Sport Aviation for 30 years now and are retiring at the
> >>> end of this month. They will be moving back to the
> >>> Carolina's where they are from.
> >>>
> >>> What is so cool about Jack is that his HEART is into
> >>> Pietenpols and small affordable homebuilts. This guy
> >>> is a down to earth, super nice, quiet, professional, to the
> >>> point person with a good balance in life.
> >>>
> >>> There will be at least one article in Sport Aviation on Allen
> >>> Rudolph's (now owned by Jim Hammond) oldest flying Piet
> >>> and mine, or possibly two separate articles in the upcoming
> >>> months. Jack's love of these homebuilts will be evident
> >>> in the articles. (He'd much rather write about these than $$$
> >>> planes
> >>> was the feeling I got.)
> >>>
> >>> When I was about to leave for the photo session at Osh Jack
> >>> came up to me in the early morning with his cup of coffee
> >>> and talked just like your neighbor would over the fence.
> >>> Retirement, moving, pension, benefits, vacation time,
> >>> continuing to write articles for SA...etc. Another writer
> >>> stepped up to us and introduced himself and Jack told him
> >>> right away..."hey, get over there and see those Pietenpols....
> >>> there are some super ones over there." What a neat guy.
> >>> You'd never know who he was....no name tag, no EAA shirt,
> >>> no fancy car or motor scooter to rip around in- just his shoes
> >>> like the rest of us. He came over to Karen and I by the
> >>> Piet and spoke with us a minute or two one day, then
> >>> was off- on foot. What a neat couple. I doubt they will
> >>> be easily replaced.
> >>>
> >>> Mike C.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
It is frustrating sometimes to see the evolutionary
changes that EAA is going thru compared to past
times, and unfortunately these changes make
us grassroots builders feel unwelcome or shunned.
On the other hand EAA really catered to the Piet
gathering this summer saving us PRIME RIB parking
spots and flightline courtesy that surpasses none.
They prominently displayed a Model A auto and
two Ford Piets right by the Main entrance.
I don't like all the changes we are seeing with EAA
either but little can be done to make it like the
old days. Folks that are frustrated or fed up with
EAA should simply drop out, not go to Oshkosh
ever, and find another organization that suits their
needs.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chad Johnson <cjohnson(at)jayhawkpl.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Pietenpol weight, etc |
Please Unsubscribe, thank you, I'll be back.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon Brimhall
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: EAA
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:06:50 -0700
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 7:28 AM
> It is frustrating sometimes to see the evolutionary
> changes that EAA is going thru compared to past
> times, and unfortunately these changes make
> us grassroots builders feel unwelcome or shunned.
> On the other hand EAA really catered to the Piet
> gathering this summer saving us PRIME RIB parking
> spots and flightline courtesy that surpasses none.
70th anniversary was done up real good by all.
> They prominently displayed a Model A auto and
> two Ford Piets right by the Main entrance.
2003 it will be the Wright Bors turn.
> I don't like all the changes we are seeing with EAA
> either but little can be done to make it like the
> old days. Folks that are frustrated or fed up with
> EAA should simply drop out, not go to Oshkosh
> ever, and find another organization that suits their
> needs.
>
I like that way you put that.
that is what I tell people in Private.
I belong to both so I can gleen the best of both and get my money's worth. I
plan to be their in 2003 as Harley Davidson and Wright Bros will be having
their 100th and we will have our RV Rig loaded with our Harleys and our
airplanes and send about two months in the area.
Life is good!
Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Meadows <gwmeadows(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: J.Q. Public and homebuilding was: Jack Cox Golda |
Gordon,
You know, when I hear you talk about the uppity RV'er who was talking like
that, I have to think, well, you know, if you can't afford $200,000 for a
new Extra 300 - a real sport airplane, then you don't belong in aviation. If
you can't afford half a million for an A36 then you shouldn't be flying,
etc. - You know if that guy was a serious aviator, then he would of course
be flying his own P51, I mean that's a real airplane.
I prefer burning some car gas in my Cessna, and I've been told that, "If
you can't afford avgas, then you shouldn't be flying". I think anyone makes
a idiotic statement like that or like the ---hole you ran into, are the ones
who shouldn't be flying, cause they just don't understand the whole point of
flying, or with the guy you're talking about, homebuilding.
I hear people put down Cherokee 140's, Cessna 150's Cardinals with 150HP
engines, and I just see RED, those are all great airplanes, fun to fly, and
cheap as far as certificated planes go. I think all this aiplane put-down
act is someone trying to swell their own little ego, cause I haven't met a
plane yet that I didn't fall in love with. From the custom Citations to the
forlorn ram-rat 150, I think they're all great.
Just remember that guy, those lazy summer days, or crisp fall days, when
your out putt-putting around in your lovingly hand-crafted Piet, smelling
the grass, feeling the wind, down low and slow. Remember him and smile,
cause he don't get it, and YOU DO!!!
Gary Meadows
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Experimental & Hired Instruction 21 Sep 99 |
Thanks for all keen notes. It would appear that the EAA is working
on making the matter clearly stated in 14CFR !!
I thought everyone would enjoy this one.
(Does anyone have some extra salt for when I get my crow . . . ) At
this point the exemption has not been made yet, but likely soon..
Norm Petersen wrote:
> Dear David: All nine types of instruction listed on your e-mail can be done
> as long as the instructor charges only for his time at his normal hourly
> rate. Do not make any charges for the airplane, as this is verboten. EAA
> has an exemption pending with FAA to rectify this situation, but it hasn't
> been OK'd yet. Keep tuned on this one. All the best, Norm Petersen.
>
> Norm Petersen
> Sr. Aviation Information Specialist
> EAA Aviation Information Services
> Phone: 920-426-6806
> Fax: 920-426-6560
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Scott [SMTP:scott(at)haulpak.com]
> > Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 1:17 PM
> > To: infoserv(at)eaa.org
> > Subject: Experimental & Hired Instruction 17 Sep 99
> >
> > To: EAA Legal Advisory Council
> >
> > There have been many notes on a discussion group about the
> > use of experimental aircraft for hired instructor use.
> >
> > Reference:
> > Sec. 91.319 Aircraft having experimental certificates: Operating
> > limitations.
> > (a) No person may operate an aircraft that has an experimental
> > certificate--
> > (2) Carrying persons or property for compensation or hire.
> >
> >
> > 1. What types of charged hired authorized instructor instruction are 14CFR
> > prohibited?
> >
> > 2. What types of charged hired authorized instructor instruction are 14CFR
> > acceptable (if any)?
> >
> >
> > Some of the types posed are:
> >
> > - flight reviews (old term was biannual flight review)
> > - general flight instruction
> > - instrument flight instruction
> > - primary (pre-solo) flight instruction
> > - student pilot solo useage / sign-off
> > - designee flight check ride for license issuance
> > - tailwheel signoff instruction
> > - high performance signoff instruction
> > - non-owner verses owner of aircraft used
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > David Scott
> > EAA 568153
> > AOPA 00863866
> >
> > 102 Avalon Drive
> > Washington, IL 61571-2902
> > ph: 309-672-7706
> > fx: 309-672-7753
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net> |
Perhaps we need something a step closer to the reality most of us
live in.... How about the IHA "Impoverished Homebuilder's
Association". Dedicated to the idea that a homebuilt aircraft of
useful performance can be constructed for under $ 5000.00. My project
which is not a Piet is rapidly increasing in cost, and will probably
exceed that figure when completed... though if I hadn't built
everything twice I'd be within that budget... ;-)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Michael D Cuy wrote:
> It is frustrating sometimes to see the evolutionary
> changes that EAA is going thru compared to past
> times, and unfortunately these changes make
> us grassroots builders feel unwelcome or shunned.
> On the other hand EAA really catered to the Piet
> gathering this summer saving us PRIME RIB parking
> spots and flightline courtesy that surpasses none.
> They prominently displayed a Model A auto and
> two Ford Piets right by the Main entrance.
I think that the EAA is not as bad as it would seem. After the first two
years I was a member, 1991 and 1992, I wrote a letter to the EAA saying
that I was a little dissappointed in the Sport Av. Mag. Most of what was
in there were show quality warbirds, plastic planes and heavy metal. There
was next to nothing on the light side. The letter I got back was very
cordial and explaiuned some of thier "corperate" thinking. Rather than try
and publish a magazine with everything in it, they broke it out into
several setions. For example, there is a warbird magazine,
aerobatics mag, Experinemtor, etc. It was suggested that I also subscribe
to Experimentor and that it would probably be more suited to my needs. It
certainly was. They cover everything from ultralights to wooden classics
to popular lightplanes like the Kitfox. Thier engine section is a wealth
of information on alternative engines like Subarus, VW, Rotax, RX-7, etc.
By the way, I highly reccomend the mag for this group.
Basically, the SA magazine is taylored to the J.Q. Public, which fund a
lot of the EAA things like the Museum, Air Venture, etc. The airshows also
have to gain the support of the masses if they are to be successful. That
means the scratch builders like ourselves are going to be in the more
obscure areas. BTW, this suits me just fine. I vivited OSH in '92 on
strait floats. The seaplane base is tucked out of the way some 10 miles
away. A courtesy shuttle carried us to and from the main event. However,
the campgrounds at th eseaplane base are the best around!
Also, to say that OSH doesn't cater to the lighter stuff means that you
haven't (Air)ventured to the ultralight area. Not only is there an entire
area set aside for them, but they even get thier own airstrips!
If you don't think the EAA is properly representing the needs of a group,
don't leave. Instead, try to fix it! Letters to the EAA seem to be
responded to. Tell them of specific problems or deficiencies and
definitely suggest solutions. They may not even realize the problem
exsists.
Ken.
Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
<http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Cunningham <mikec(at)microlandusa.com> |
| Subject: | Re: J.Q. Public and homebuilding was: Jack Cox & Golda |
Hello all, Just noticed this thread today and gotta throw in a dimes worth.
Most of John Q. Public couldn't
imagine putting in the labor to build even an RV "quick build" kit. Here is
why I appreciate those who can
pay for Glassairs, Lancairs and so on.... Credibility with John Q. Public. I
took a gal flying a couple of weeks ago in a 172. It was her first time to
be within 50 yards of a light plane. While I was pre-flighting she literally
fell in love with a Glassair that was parked on the ramp with the doors up
(Damn.. another one with expensive taste!). When I walked over to get her
she asked me what experimental meant. You should have seen her jaw drop when
I told her it was a homebuilt, it probably goes 275, and that a few hundred
have been built
by fellow homebuilders. I can tell that her attitude towards my "Home-made"
airplane project has changed
considerably since that day. When John Q. Public sees a Glassair he
percieves it as being as good or better than any Cessna or Piper. When JQP
see's any fabric covered aircraft he thinks about powered kites and
uses terms like "no protection". This will not change. Glass planes are
good for our image. More (horse)power to those who can afford them!
-----Original Message-----
From: Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net>
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 11:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: J.Q. Public and homebuilding was: Jack Cox & Golda
>Gordon:
> When I spend a week as Oshkosh a number of years ago, the area to
>the right of the walkway from the main gate to the anouncers stand was
>full of interesting (to me) aircraft. Piets, Baby aces, Fly babys,
>Baby Lakes, Heath Parasols, and numerous other interesting odds and
>ends. This area was a peaceful grassy oasis is a sea of fast glass,
>and I spent many happy hours visiting with folks around these
>aircraft. Perhaps they have been moved to a farther area...... I have
>no idea, but I suspect that these folks do not really want to be in a
>high traffic area..... Were I to fly a lovingly hand crafted aircraft
>to Oshkosh I don't think I would be really excited about having it
>pawed by the "unwashed millions".
> I had the privelege of meeting Steve W. who had his inverted Olds
>V8 powered tailwind there, Molt Taylor, who had the "paper" Micro Imp,
>Jerry Ritz with his Ritz special. Thankfully everybody was flocking
>to Burt Rutan's glass workshops, Chris Heintz's build a Zenith in a
>week effort, and B.J. Schramm's Scorpion II & Exce displays, leaving
>the people I really wanted to visit with free.
> I suspect that the same is more or less true these days..... If
>you want to drool over the Lancair, or a prepunched lego kit by
>Richard Vangruvsen, or any of these popular kit planes (great aircraft
>all, but not true homebuilts), you will be bumped and jostled by
>millions, but if you like me gravitate towards the less traveled areas
>you will get to meet the people you respect and admire and the craft
>they have built or designed and built. Sheep will always flock
>together in large groups. There are enough examples of the
>traditional type homebuilts that those with the drive to build an
>affordable aircraft will find them..... Let's face it, most of JQ
>public do not have the drive and determination to see such a project
>through, and those who do will surely be able to find what they want.
>
>H.W.
>
>H.W.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gordon Brimhall
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 6:57 AM
>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>
>
>>Well you know that at Osh the majority of the people don't see the
>Grass
>>Roots type of aircraft, I understand they are kept way away from the
>John Q
>>Public.
>>And the UL's are even farther away.
>>
>>As the SAA says to all, their is room for both Orgs to be around.
>>
>>Gordon
>>SAA # 952
>>EAA # 0595215
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net>
>>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:12 PM
>>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>>
>>
>>> Thanks Gordon:
>>> There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voiced
>>> here today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. The
>>> organization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.
>>> The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" within
>reach
>>> of many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. I
>>> personally don't consider many of the kit planes to be real
>>> homebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence the
>>> bureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuilding
>>> products.
>>> I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair or
>>> Glassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or a
>surplus
>>> F14, but there is room for everybody.
>>> The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our roots
>and
>>> the kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.
>>> Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom....
>they're
>>> doing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.
>>>
>>> H.W.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Gordon Brimhall
>>> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:59 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>>>
>>>
>>> >Sport Aviation Association
>>> >
>>> >They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join
>and
>>> get
>>> >back to the real roots of aviation.
>>> >
>>> >http://www.sportaviation.org/
>>> >
>>> >Gordon
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >----- Original Message -----
>>> >From: Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net>
>>> >To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>> >Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM
>>> >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Gordon:
>>> >> What's SAA??
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: Gordon Brimhall
>>> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>> >> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:51 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA
>>> >>
>>> >> Gordon
>>> >> SAA #952
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: Michael D Cuy
>>> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion
>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:04 PM
>>> >> Subject: Jack Cox & Golda
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> I know this is off the subject, but as some might have
>>> >> read, Jack Cox and his wife Golda have worked at editing
>>> >> Sport Aviation for 30 years now and are retiring at the
>>> >> end of this month. They will be moving back to the
>>> >> Carolina's where they are from.
>>> >>
>>> >> What is so cool about Jack is that his HEART is into
>>> >> Pietenpols and small affordable homebuilts. This guy
>>> >> is a down to earth, super nice, quiet, professional, to the
>>> >> point person with a good balance in life.
>>> >>
>>> >> There will be at least one article in Sport Aviation on Allen
>>> >> Rudolph's (now owned by Jim Hammond) oldest flying Piet
>>> >> and mine, or possibly two separate articles in the upcoming
>>> >> months. Jack's love of these homebuilts will be evident
>>> >> in the articles. (He'd much rather write about these than $$$
>>> >> planes
>>> >> was the feeling I got.)
>>> >>
>>> >> When I was about to leave for the photo session at Osh Jack
>>> >> came up to me in the early morning with his cup of coffee
>>> >> and talked just like your neighbor would over the fence.
>>> >> Retirement, moving, pension, benefits, vacation time,
>>> >> continuing to write articles for SA...etc. Another writer
>>> >> stepped up to us and introduced himself and Jack told him
>>> >> right away..."hey, get over there and see those Pietenpols....
>>> >> there are some super ones over there." What a neat guy.
>>> >> You'd never know who he was....no name tag, no EAA shirt,
>>> >> no fancy car or motor scooter to rip around in- just his shoes
>>> >> like the rest of us. He came over to Karen and I by the
>>> >> Piet and spoke with us a minute or two one day, then
>>> >> was off- on foot. What a neat couple. I doubt they will
>>> >> be easily replaced.
>>> >>
>>> >> Mike C.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: J.Q. Public and homebuilding was: Jack Cox Golda |
On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Gary Meadows wrote:
> Gordon,
>
> I hear people put down Cherokee 140's, Cessna 150's Cardinals with 150HP
> engines, and I just see RED, those are all great airplanes, fun to fly, and
> cheap as far as certificated planes go. I think all this aiplane put-down
> act is someone trying to swell their own little ego, cause I haven't met a
> plane yet that I didn't fall in love with. From the custom Citations to the
> forlorn ram-rat 150, I think they're all great.
> Gary Meadows
>
I had to remind the fellow I flew with this weekend about this. We were
getting his BA-28-180 ready to go and the conversation turned around to
Piets. His words were "What a waste of time they are. Why spend all your
time and money on a plane that stalls, cruises and redlines at 65. It
would take us over an hour just to get to High River". This from a member
of our local RAA chapter. Needless to say, I set him strait in a kind way
(after all, he was taking me flying;-). My opinion is that I love flying
and that the Piet would allow someone to fly 3-4 time as much on the same
dollar. I also explained a liittle about the performance of the Piet as I
understand it. By the time I was done, he was a little more understanding,
but not entirely converted. Something about IFR behind a Model A
radiator...
Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
<http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
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| From: | Gary Meadows <gwmeadows(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Experimental Hired Instruction 21 Sep 99 |
David,
Thanks for sending out the note with the clarifications about charging for
instruction in an experimental. I'm currently working on my CFI, and would
like to do some instruction with some of the local homebuilt crowd once I
earn it, so it's good to see what you sent.
It's a shame that the regulations are written in legalise, and not in some
form of the language that we can all understand. I read once, and this was
about fighter pilots, that they're intelligent, but tended not to be
"intellectuals". I feel like intelligent people use their mind as a tool,
and intellectuals use their mind as a weapon. I don't like intellectuals
very much, and I have the feeling they're the folks who write most of our
regs. I wish they'd let pilots and mechanics word the regs, maybe we could
all understand them a little better.
As far as eating crow, - no way! You were standing up for what you
believed was right, I gotta respect that! Also, you wanted to make sure
people didn't get crossways with the feds, I certainly applaud you for that,
too! Keep up the good work!
Gary Meadows
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Meadows <gwmeadows(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: J.Q. Public and homebuilding was: Jack Cox amp; Golda |
Ken,
Good point on the cost issue. I had a guy I use to work with poo-poo my
150 when I bought it several years ago. He waited and bought a Mooney (a
"real" airplane as he put it). It's nice, I love Mooneys, I got my
Commercial in one, but we were comparing logbooks the other day, and I had
about 250 hours more than him and we started nearly the same time, when we
got to looking further, it was all that 150 time that made the difference.
While I was out flying 200-250 hour/year, he was flying much less in his
Mooney. I asked him why that was, he just grinned sheepishly and said, "it
just cost too much" I've also heard CFI's say that if you can land a 150 in
a stiff crosswind, then you can land anything. I bet if you can land a Piet
in a stiff crosswind, then you can land anything!!!
Anyway, I think of airplanes like I think of beer, there aren't any bad
ones, some are just a little better than others!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Yotz <gyachts(at)kans.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol weight, etc |
Are you leaving us Chad??
Greg Yotz
-----Original Message-----
From: Chad Johnson <cjohnson(at)jayhawkpl.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 12:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Pietenpol weight, etc
>Please Unsubscribe, thank you, I'll be back.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: john hodnette [SMTP:jhodnette(at)tecinfo.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 8:27 PM
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Pietenpol weight, etc
>
>Jim V> I remember meeting with you in southern Ohio a number of years
>ago at a Piet fly-in. At the time, I think you were flying a Piet with
>corvair power. I weigh more than you do and plan to fly mine one day
>with a Model A. I think I remember talking with the elder Mr. Pavliga
>and extended the engine mount out 2 or so inches and made the cabane
>struts a couple inches longer so that the wing would not close in on me
>when moved back to compensate for my weight. Don't know if those
>changes will work, but my weighing less than 200 pounds will never
>happen.
>john hodnette
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| From: | claude <claude.plathey(at)wanadoo.fr> |
| Subject: | Re: J.Q. Public and homebuilding |
Howard Wilkinson wrote:
>
> Were I to fly a lovingly hand crafted aircraft
> to Oshkosh I don't think I would be really excited about having it
> pawed by the "unwashed millions".
This year I was one of the sweating millions, walking miles on
my tongue to see lovely aircraft like Piets, Pazmany Storch,
BD-5 and other aliens like a jet-Waco.
> Thankfully everybody was flocking to Burt Rutan's glass workshops
Rutan will be the Pietenpol of the eighties. My best souvenir are
flights in a Stampe, where one hour flight was followed by 4 hours
in the Renault engine, but I confess I prefer to fly a LongEze rather
than a Nieuport replica (aerodynamics has somewhat progressed in between).
And in my opinion, a carbon copy of an antique new though it was in its
time cannot really be called Experimental.
I hope the legend aircraft like the Piets, Flying Fleas, Jodels, Rutan
canards will still be built with love in 100 years, but I know I was
born in THE century where a 50,000 years dream became reality, so
I love everything that flies, from RC models to the Burtan Perseus.
In french fly'ins there is now always clannishness and contempt, this
is very sad and dishonors aviation.
This was not the case when I learned flying 40 years ago.
Claude
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| From: | leonstefanhutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan) |
Greg Yotz.... From my pamphlet, Price sells 3 heads. An original looking
6:1. A 7:1 with finns. which might look ok on a hotrod car, but i think
would look funny on a piet. He also has an original looking 6:1 2 plug
my Funk head. I bought it from one of the "A" car guys at Wichita last
Feb. at the model A car club swap meet. I also had the Kitfox wheels,
landing gear jig, and fuel tank molds Can't wait for Benton 2000.
Leon S.
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| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
Just saw this ad on Barnstormer and thought it might make a good Piet
engine, especially for $600!
FRANKLIN ENGINE * RATED AT 80 HP @ 2300 RPM *
4-CYLINDER * FOR SALE!! .. Very clean inside .. NO LOGS .. Pistons
are standard, cylinder walls are very good condition .. 3 intake tubes,
fly wheel, cam gear, oil pump, case, v/covers, push rods and tubes, all in
very good condition .. History unknown .. Nice little 80 hp antique engine
..$600.00 .. Contact Marty Nelson. Telephone: 520-775-0523 (evenings). --
Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
<http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
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| From: | del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com> |
I asked this one before but didnt get any answers
yet. After I made my rudder bar out of steel rube, I
noticed that It said to use chrome molley tube. does
anybody know the reason for that? If it is because of
the wear factor from your feet. could I just use some
type of high wear sleeve. or is it a weight or
strength issue.
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| From: | lpasley <lpasley(at)aristotle.net> |
What is your e-mail address please? If you replied earlier I missed it.
There has been some server problems here.
Thanks, Larry Pasley
lpasley(at)aristotle.net
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| From: | lpasley <lpasley(at)aristotle.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Continental 85HP? |
What is your location?
Thanks, Larry
> I have available a Continental -12 engine. Engine has starter, generator,
fuel
> pump, full exhaust with heat muff, new slick magnetos w/ harness never
> installed. Engine was disassembled for thorough inspection. Engine shop
says
> it looks good. Asking $4,000 US.
> Let me know if you know of someone who could use it.
> ---
> Patrick Hildebrand
> piet(at)n2flying.com
>
>
> What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses.
> http://www.n2mail.com
>
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| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
The plans for the Christavia show the battery on the firewall. However,
that will put the CG too far forward. So, it's going behind the rear seat.
That means that I'll need to build a battery bbox to store it in. I'm
thinking of building it out of 1/4" ply with fiberglass inside and out.
The question is simple: How resistant is West System resign to battery
acid? Is there a good coating that I could use in the box to seal it in
the case of a leak? What do you Piet guys do?
Thanks,
Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
<http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
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| From: | Joe Krzes <jkrzes(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: J.Q. Public and homebuilding |
This is the same thoughts I have when I look at all of the RV builders!
Great aircraft, but too close to store bought. Why spend all that time and
energy and NOT end up with something like a Piet!
>His words were "What a waste of time they are. Why spend all your time and
>money on a plane...
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| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Battery Box. |
Ken- We hand prop.....:))))
Just funning with you. Seriously, I swear I've seen
poly type containers in Wicks or ACS catalogs just for this
purpose...not sure on the cost though.
Mike C.
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| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: J.Q. Public and homebuilding |
You certainly waste a LOT more money than with a Piet ;-)
Ken
On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Joe Krzes wrote:
> This is the same thoughts I have when I look at all of the RV builders!
> Great aircraft, but too close to store bought. Why spend all that time and
> energy and NOT end up with something like a Piet!
>
> >His words were "What a waste of time they are. Why spend all your time and
> >money on a plane...
>
>
Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
<http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
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| From: | Ken Beanlands <kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Battery Box. |
ASS was my first idea as well, but they are not cheap at over $100 USD.
IT'S JUST A PLASTIC BOX!!! I just wouldn't feel right paying that sort of
money for a BOX! Especially when I can build it with scrap material left
in the shop and about 2-4 hours work.
Thanks,
Ken
On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Michael D Cuy wrote:
> Ken- We hand prop.....:))))
>
>
> Just funning with you. Seriously, I swear I've seen
> poly type containers in Wicks or ACS catalogs just for this
> purpose...not sure on the cost though.
>
> Mike C.
>
Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
<http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
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| Subject: | Unsubscribe Piet |
Steve,
Have tried the directions as provided by Gordon B. about 10 days ago with no
luck.
Please unsubscribe me.
Will be on the road for about ten days and don't think my mail could handle
all of the Piet mail sent in that time span.
Thanks.
PS, Took my first Piet rib out of the new jig today. no spring back! Now to
start mass producing the 1500 or so pieces for the wing. Did the first side
with T-88, back side with Titebond II. Titebond is much easier to use, clean
up etc. with water (vs MEK), have experience with Titebond - jury still out
regarding what will be used.
Found a Ford "A" Guru about 80 miles from here, reportedly has a small barn
full that he sells and/or rebuilds. Will check it out after Hershey.
Have gleaned 27 pages (MS word) from this very interesting mail page - GREAT
source!
Denis G.
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| Subject: | Unsubscribe Piet |
Steve,
Have tried the directions as provided by Gordon B. about 10 days ago with no
luck.
Please unsubscribe me.
Will be on the road for about ten days and don't think my mail could handle
all of the Piet mail sent in that time span.
Thanks.
PS, Took my first Piet rib out of the new jig today. no spring back! Now to
start mass producing the 1500 or so pieces for the wing. Did the first side
with T-88, back side with Titebond II. Titebond is much easier to use, clean
up etc. with water (vs MEK), have experience with Titebond - jury still out
regarding what will be used.
Found a Ford "A" Guru about 80 miles from here, reportedly has a small barn
full that he sells and/or rebuilds. Will check it out after Hershey.
Have gleaned 27 pages (MS word) from this very interesting mail page - GREAT
source!
Denis G.
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Good Idea.
Is the membership open for Charter Members?
Give me the next no. in line, maybe #2
Really I am not knocking the fancy beautiful glass airs as I have just
bought plans for the Quickie and plan to try my hand at glass work after 25
yrs of not doing it. Have worked at making Fiberglass Vacuum molding molds
once.
But I really do like the oldies but goodies better, can always buy a SpamCan
with a trip to the friendly bank.
Gordon
SAA 952
EAA 0595215
Interesting I have 952 in both memberships.
----- Original Message -----
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| From: | Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net> |
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 1:15 PM
> Perhaps we need something a step closer to the reality most of us
> live in.... How about the IHA "Impoverished Homebuilder's
> Association". Dedicated to the idea that a homebuilt aircraft of
> useful performance can be constructed for under $ 5000.00. My project
> which is not a Piet is rapidly increasing in cost, and will probably
> exceed that figure when completed... though if I hadn't built
> everything twice I'd be within that budget... ;-)
>
>
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| From: | Replicraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Battery Box. |
Ken;
Try a Marine supply house or ...those boat people have some very interesting
stuff..
Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
Anyone building a GN please contact me.
Steve
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| From: | leonstefanhutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan) |
| Subject: | 4130 rudder bar/battery box coating |
Del asked about chrome alloy rudder bar. I wondered about that myself.
Solved the question by making everything out of chrome alloy. Much
stronger and more corrosion resistant than mild steel. I talked to BHP
on the phone about steel back in 1974, he said "use good aircraft steel"
and "don't use Blacksmith iron" as he called it. K Beanlands asked
about coating battery box's: I haven't looked for a while, but i use to
buy acid proof battery box paint, It was made by Randolph (the dope
people) It is still holding up fine on a cessna bat.box I painted 10
years ago. I think I bought it from Wag Aero Leon S.
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| From: | Chad Johnson <cjohnson(at)jayhawkpl.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Pietenpol weight, etc |
Only for a little while, got lots going on. Also, the engine manual you
have is the one that came with airplane. I don't have any more info
than that. I will stay in touch with the group and you, just have lots
of changes here. Take Care.cj
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Yotz [SMTP:gyachts(at)kans.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 3:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol weight, etc
Are you leaving us Chad??
Greg Yotz
-----Original Message-----
From: Copinfo <Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: EAA
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:02:27 -0500
Mike, I agree. I will continue to go to places like Brodhead and other
grass roots events and leave Oshkosh to the people that have money. I will
remain a member of EAA because I believe in the concept of experimental
aircraft that can be built by anyone that has the desire. Too bad EAA
leadership doesn't feel the same.
Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com
Tim Cunningham
Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510
>I don't like all the changes we are seeing with EAA
>either but little can be done to make it like the
>old days. Folks that are frustrated or fed up with
>EAA should simply drop out, not go to Oshkosh
>ever, and find another organization that suits their
>needs.
>
>Mike C.
>
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| From: | Gary Leopold <frgtdog(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | chrome-moly steel |
Del:
Chrome-molly steel is about four times the tensile strength of SAE 1025
steel. It's properties are toughness and wear resistance. Ref. A&P Tech
gen textbook. I would not use standard steel on any flight control
system.
Del:
Chrome-molly steel is about four
times the
tensile strength of SAE 1025 steel. It's properties are toughness and
wear
resistance. Ref. AP Tech gen textbook. I would not use standard
steel on
any flight control system.
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| From: | Copinfo <Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.com> |
Del, use the go with the 4130 tubing. Believe it or not, the rudder bar
will bend when you push on it hard enough.
Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com
Tim Cunningham
Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510
>I asked this one before but didnt get any answers
>yet. After I made my rudder bar out of steel rube, I
>noticed that It said to use chrome molley tube. does
>anybody know the reason for that? If it is because of
>the wear factor from your feet. could I just use some
>type of high wear sleeve. or is it a weight or
>strength issue.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Copinfo <Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Battery Box. |
Ken, what is a battery box? What would we do with a battery? We hand prop
everything.
Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com
Tim Cunningham
Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510
>The plans for the Christavia show the battery on the firewall. However,
>that will put the CG too far forward. So, it's going behind the rear seat.
>That means that I'll need to build a battery bbox to store it in. I'm
>thinking of building it out of 1/4" ply with fiberglass inside and out.
>The question is simple: How resistant is West System resign to battery
>acid? Is there a good coating that I could use in the box to seal it in
>the case of a leak? What do you Piet guys do?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)
>Calgary, Alberta, Canada
>Christavia MK 1 C-GREN
><http://www.spots.ab.ca/~kbeanlan>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hubert Diks <dhubert(at)sentex.net> |
Please unsubscribe me at this time. I cannot handle the volume of mail
at this time.
________________________________________________________________________________
>Anyone building a GN please contact me.
>
>Steve
Ribs done, center section done, most welding done, fusdone, 75% done 99%to go
Near Atlanta
Barry Davis
bed(at)mindspring.com>
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| From: | Howard Wilkinson <owly(at)mcn.net> |
Del:
The Pietenpol rudder bar as simple as it is could be built from
anything of adequate strength. Chrome Moly is stronger than mild
steel, but more important than that is that 4130 may be had in
virtually any dimension and thickness.... Mild steel is not available
in very many thicknesses suitable for our purposes.
My opinion is that 6061 T6 aluminum could easily be substituted by
using a slightly larger diameter and thickness. In general aluminum
is said to be about 1/2 the strength of steel, but only 1/3 the
weight. This means that if you size the part to have a bit in excess
of 60% of the weight of the steel part you should be in pretty good
shape. I personally would put a nylon insert where the center bolt
goes through it, and probably at either end where the cables attach if
I were doing this... but then I'm a bit of a fanatic about bushings
and plugs.
I show it as being 3/4" .035 which weighs .2673 lbs per foot {.479
lbs for the part}. Looking at Aircraft Spruce catalog, I see that
7/8" .058 wall 2024 (stronger than 6061) weighs in at .1777 lbs per
foot {.318 lbs for the part}, and the next size .065 weighs .1979 lbs
per foot {.3545 lbs for the part}. I would think that either of these
would probably be adequate....... This would yield a savings of 2 oz
or 2.5 oz roughly for the part.
**** Just my opinion ****
I assume most folks use some sort of wrapping or dip on this part
rather than bare metal ???? The 2.5 oz savings could allow for a
nice non slip coating ;-)
How about a nice polished laminated wood piece there where
everybody can admire it If you are going all out for the Oshkosh grand
champion homebuilt award little details like that make all the
difference ;-)
P.S. Ounces add up into pounds add up into TONS..... However care
should be exercised in material substitution as the strength and
fatigue properties of materials are different.
-----Original Message-----
From: del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 2:30 PM
>I asked this one before but didnt get any answers
>yet. After I made my rudder bar out of steel rube, I
>noticed that It said to use chrome molley tube. does
>anybody know the reason for that? If it is because of
>the wear factor from your feet. could I just use some
>type of high wear sleeve. or is it a weight or
>strength issue.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Unsubscribe Piet |
Unsubscribe Piet
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| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Was down in the "airplane factory" tonite and had to make a small wooden
box to keep stuff in. Well, dad always taught me to glue something to
keep it tite. So I looked for the "Elmers" on the shelf, but spotted
the " yellow furniture glue" first. It was Titebond ll. Holy moly,
this is what people are going to build a plane with? First of all if
you look on the label it says not to use below waterline. What if you
get rain at a flyin and a little puddle lays back near the sternpost of
the fuselage? Is a little while ok? When will it desolve?
This bottle has to be 15 years old and the price is $2.99 for 8 oz. ( 8
oz. 1/2 pint, 16 oz.pint, 2 pintsqt.) a quart of T88 is about
$25.00 from Aircraft Spruce ( a better deal at twice the price)
Maybe flour and water is an option.
walt
Was down in the airplane
factory
tonite and had to make a small wooden box to keep stuff in. Well,
dad
always taught me to glue something to keep it tite. So I looked
for the
Elmers on the shelf, but spotted the yellow furniture
glue first. It was Titebond ll. Holy moly, this is
what people
are going to build a plane with? First of all if you look on the
label it
says not to use below waterline. What if you get rain at a flyin
and a
little puddle lays back near the sternpost of the fuselage? Is a
little
while ok? When will it desolve?
This bottle has to be 15 years
old and the
price is $2.99 for 8 oz. ( 8 oz. 1/2 pint, 16 oz.pint, 2
pintsqt.) a
quart of T88 is about $25.00 from Aircraft Spruce ( a better deal at
twice the
price)
Maybe flour and water is an
option.
walt
________________________________________________________________________________
> anybody know the reason for that? If it is because of
> the wear factor from your feet. could I just use some
> type of high wear sleeve. or is it a weight or
> strength issue.
>
You would wear out a lot of tennis shoes before doing any damage to the
rudder bar because of wear.
Fly Barefoot
Steve E.
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| Subject: | Piet Plans for sale $19.95 |
I was just noticing the Pietenpol Plans for sale at 19.95 in Model
Airplane News.
Construction sheet balsa, spruce and plywood.
WS 80 inches
Length 49 inches
Power .90 4 stroke
Plans # FSP12981
Anybody make a scale Model "A" engine?
Gordon
I was just noticing the Pietenpol Plans
for sale at
19.95 in Model Airplane News.
Construction sheet balsa, spruce and
plywood.
WS 80 inches
Length 49 inches
Power .90 4 stroke
Plans # FSP12981
Anybody make a scale Model "A"
engine?
Gordon
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| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Battery Box. |
Good one Mike.
My input would be to give the battery a test flight.
Mark out a reduced pattern. Pick up the battery and carry it down the
runway, to the trees, turn right till you hit the bushes, now right again
and go all the way down parallel to the runway to the other end to the
bushes, right again, and right again when you are in line with the runway.
When you reach the numbers, put it down. Do you want to carry that in
flight?
walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov>
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 6:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Battery Box.
>Ken- We hand prop.....:))))
>
>
>Just funning with you. Seriously, I swear I've seen
>poly type containers in Wicks or ACS catalogs just for this
>purpose...not sure on the cost though.
>
>Mike C.
>
>
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Re Trim tabs:
I used a bungee fastened to my belt on my flight back home from Brodhead.
All I needed was about 1.5 pounds of pull (maybe less) but it made a great
difference after nearly 20 hours of flying. around home I don't use
anything.
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> mbell1(at)columbiaenergygroup.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 7:29 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: Re: CG and Trim
>
>
> Your mention of "holding the stick forward" reminds me of a
> question that I was
> going to ask. There doesn't seem to be any mention anywhere
> of trim tabs
> other than a fixed one on the rudder of some Piets. Is
> this because this is
> not a cross country airplane? ( That can obviously be
> discounted by the folks
> who flew Piets ot Oshkosh and Brodhead this year.)
>
> Mike Bell
> Columbia, SC
>
>
> Maiser(at)adena.byu.edu on 09/22/99 08:54:52 AM
> Please respond to piet(at)byu.edu @ INTERNET
>
>
> To: piet(at)byu.edu @ INTERNET
> cc:
>
> Subject: Re: CG
>
> >
> > Mike C wrote;
> >
> > <<-Put in a nose take of 17 gals. >>
> >
> > Hey Mike, any difference when only 5 gal remain.
> >
> > Move the wing?
>
>
> Mike B.-- You bet there is. She gets tail heavy.
> Nothing dangerous as my most aft CG with 3 gals.
> fuel remaining still falls at 19.75" aft of the LE of the
> wing. It's just annoying to hold forward stick.
> Fortunately with the kind of flying I do I never get that
> low on fuel though.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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| From: | walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | remember,,, there is no precover inspection |
Just remembered that somewhere along the line I heard that anything that
the FAA sees that looks yellow thru the varnish, they will fail. Cause
they know its an " elmers glue".
Now ,because there's no precover inspection, you could probably hide it
in the wings. But people who fly know how quickly the state of mind
changes from the ground to the air.
On the ground you talk flying, in the air the " pucker factor prevails"
T88-T88-T88.......My Fisher flys great now ,and nothing flew off.
walt
PS If you actually fly, you'll know that there is so much to worry
about, without worrying about if the sticks are going to come apart
Just remembered that somewhere along the line I
heard that
anything that the FAA sees that looks yellow thru the varnish, they will
fail.
Cause they know its an elmers glue.
Now ,because there's no precover inspection, you
could
probably hide it in the wings. But people who fly know how quickly
the
state of mind changes from the ground to the air.
On the ground you talk flying, in the air the
pucker factor prevails
T88-T88-T88.......My Fisher flys great now ,and
nothing flew
off.
walt
PS If you actually fly, you'll know that there is so
much to
worry about, without worrying about if the sticks are going to come
apart
________________________________________________________________________________
Walter
We used flour and water when we were kids pasting things into our scrap
book. It does not stick after 40 yrs.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: walter evans
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 6:25 PM
Subject: holy moly
Was down in the "airplane factory" tonite and had to make a small
wooden box to keep stuff in. Well, dad always taught me to glue
something to keep it tite. So I looked for the "Elmers" on the shelf,
but spotted the " yellow furniture glue" first. It was Titebond ll.
Holy moly, this is what people are going to build a plane with? First
of all if you look on the label it says not to use below waterline.
What if you get rain at a flyin and a little puddle lays back near the
sternpost of the fuselage? Is a little while ok? When will it desolve?
This bottle has to be 15 years old and the price is $2.99 for 8 oz. (
8 oz. 1/2 pint, 16 oz.pint, 2 pintsqt.) a quart of T88 is
about $25.00 from Aircraft Spruce ( a better deal at twice the price)
Maybe flour and water is an option.
walt
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | test please ignore |
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: test please ignore |
dobe dobe do.
Steve Eldredge
IT Services
Brigham Young University
> -----Original Message-----
> steve(at)byu.edu
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 12:00 AM
> To: Pietenpol Discussion
> Subject: test please ignore
>
>
>
>
> Steve Eldredge
> IT Services
> Brigham Young University
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Chrome moly is somewhat stronger than the old 1025 steel that was used
when the Piet was designed, but the wear factor shouldn't be a problem.
How much stronger depends on the temper or heat treat. Fully tempered
4130 is four times stronger than similiar 1025, but the rudder bar cut
from 4130 isn't tempered. I don't know why chrome moly or 4130 steel was
specified for that. Didn't really think about it as we used 4130 steel
throughout. The weight difference would be negligible.
John Langston
writes:
>I asked this one before but didnt get any answers
>yet. After I made my rudder bar out of steel rube, I
>noticed that It said to use chrome molley tube. does
>anybody know the reason for that? If it is because of
>the wear factor from your feet. could I just use some
>type of high wear sleeve. or is it a weight or
>strength issue.
>
>
__________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greg Estrada <jetflyer(at)mhtc.net> |
| Subject: | Unsubscribe Piet |
> Unsubscribe Piet
>
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| From: | del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com> |
I was thinking more of trying to keep paint on it.
without paint a plain steel tube would rust.
---steve(at)byu.edu wrote:
>
>
>
> > anybody know the reason for that? If it is
because of
> > the wear factor from your feet. could I just use
some
> > type of high wear sleeve. or is it a weight or
> > strength issue.
> >
>
> You would wear out a lot of tennis shoes before
doing any damage to the
> rudder bar because of wear.
>
> Fly Barefoot
>
> Steve E.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry) |
| Subject: | Re: Battery Box. |
I liked this reply so much I had to say something!
Ken, Go down to your automotive paint supply store and tell them you want an
acid proof paint. I haven't got the name here, but we used some for the
battery box on the CATPM's Mk11 Harvard. We have an STC to build a steel
battery box that takes a modern light battery instead of the monster
original military style. The box is vented and drained and so far corrosion
has not been a problem.
It takes very liitle current to run an ignition primary. Many motorcycles
used to do it with a small alternator rectifier and capacitor system. But
Hey, that is not very far away from what a mag really is.
A good mag, or two, and a battery powered hand held should provide all the
electrics a Piet should ever need. Keep it simple!
I sure hope they don't try to force us to encoding altimeters and the rest
of that High altitude High priced stuff in our fun little rag wings.
John Mc
-----Original Message-----
From: walter evans <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 7:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Battery Box.
>Good one Mike.
>My input would be to give the battery a test flight.
>Mark out a reduced pattern. Pick up the battery and carry it down the
>runway, to the trees, turn right till you hit the bushes, now right again
>and go all the way down parallel to the runway to the other end to the
>bushes, right again, and right again when you are in line with the runway.
>When you reach the numbers, put it down. Do you want to carry that in
>flight?
>walt
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov>
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 6:20 PM
>Subject: Re: Battery Box.
>
>
>>Ken- We hand prop.....:))))
>>
>>
>>Just funning with you. Seriously, I swear I've seen
>>poly type containers in Wicks or ACS catalogs just for this
>>purpose...not sure on the cost though.
>>
>>Mike C.
>>
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | oil can <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com> |
I tried to contact buchanan's spoke and rim several times. Both by mail and
e-mail. I never even received an answer. Even the letter I wrote to the
president of the company was ignored. After nearly 2 months, I just gave up.
Buchanans used to do this work, but may have stopped, due to the cost of
liability insurance. A fellow in the machine shop business flatly denied to
do a job for me once he heard "airplane". Then he told me that any airplane
work adds $10,000 to his liability insurance.
I was given the address of a company called ...
Decker Cycles
410 W. Main St.
Canfield, OH 44406
as a possible source.
I have written them in the past few days, and should have an answer by the
end of the month.
I'll drop a note to the list then.
BOB
>From: john hodnette <jhodnette(at)tecinfo.com>
>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion
>To: Pietenpol Discussion
>Subject: Wire spokes
>Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 06:02:59 -0400
>
>Does anyone remember the name of the motorcycle wheel company that would
>make custom rims and spokes for wire piet wheels? I think it was
>Concannons in California, but have lost track of their literature. If
>not them, does anyone know of another custom rim and spoke
>manufacturer? I have already made the hubs and need to get rims and
>spokes
>Any other Model A fans? I am convinced that the original engine is the
>best, but cannot get comfortable with a magneto. Some years back I
>talked to the supervisor in the shop at Mallory Ignition systems about
>their electronic system for the Pietenpol. He told that he did not
>recommend the electronic unit, Uni-something, but he would ride with me
>if I used their dual point, centrifugal advance distributor. They
>actually make one that fits in the distributor hole without any
>modifications. I have been running my engine with a '71 pinto
>distributor, but had to enlarge the mounting hole in the head.
>I am also looking for an aluminum, high compression head. Any leads?
>john h.
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