Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-cd
October 21, 2001 - November 26, 2001
> > > background. The straight line of the top of the hangar doors
stretches
> > > across the photo right above the wing, and boy does it exaggerate the
fact
> > > that that wing is flat as a pancake. Since I'm new on this list I'll
> > > probably get instantly excommunicated for this and sorry, Mike- the
> > > "replica
> > > police" are right on this one: "Bent wings are for sissies" ;o)
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Oscaar,
> >
> > That airplane has a very small amount of dihedral which was bent into it
> > during wing installation (one piece wing) and strut fabrication. I
believe
> > both of the last two Piets had this small amount. My planes are A
powered,
> > have straight wings, and fly fine. The straight wing actually looks
drooped
> > as viewed from the front. I would have a hard time believing that
either way
> > would have any effect on the flying characteristics of this plane. I
use the
> > straight wing because it is easier for me to install and strut. Doug
Bryant
> > Wichuta Ks
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | javier cruz <javcr(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: looking for a corvair engine |
Hi group
Hi Norm
Look at www.corvair.org sometimes the people there
have engines for sale on your area.
good luck
Javier Cruz
Saludos desde Mexico
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Loar" <skycarl(at)megsinet.net> |
| Subject: | looking for a corvair engine |
Norm, I'll try to dig up the name and number of the guy I got my corvair
engine from. He lives about 20 miles sw of Toledo so he would be close
enough for you. He may have another out in one of his storage areas. I'll
send it to you when I find it.
Carl
Please visit my website at
www.megsinet.net/skycarl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
NormDecou(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: looking for a corvair engine
HI,
I am looking for a Corvair engine- 110HP -1965-69 preferred letter codes RD,
RF, RH, RX, RK. For anyone else looking into this option these are the
codes which are recomended by WIlliam Wynne(also available on the Corvair
Site). I live in Windsor, Ont., Canada (right across from
Detroit,Michigan).
I am hoping to find one in the area(Ontario,MIchigan,Indiana,Ohio, and
maybe
some parts of New York,& Illinois) so I can drive and pick it up(within
6hrs). I would really appreciate any help in tracking one down.
Thanks
Norm
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| From: | "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com> |
Norm,
I don't know this person but thought the ad might be helpful.
PARTS FOR SALE (9/23/01)
DESCRIPTION: 1965 - 110 H.P. MAZDA CONVERTIBLE, 4 SPEED, COMPLETE CAR (PARTS
CAR) OR WILL DISMANTLE FOR PARTS.
1968 - CORVAIR 95 H.P. ENGINE, TRANSAXLE, AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION, HAD SMOG
PUMP, LOOSE, WITH CARBS.
1966 - CORVAIR 110 H.P. ENGINE, TRANSAXLE, AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION, TIGHT,
WITH 2 CARBS.
1968 - FRONT CROSS MEMBER & STEERING (GOOD CONDITION) ARMS AND KNUCKLES.
1966 - CORSA DASH WITH INSTRUMENTS, NOT TESTED, AS IS
1966 CORSA CONVERTIBLE BODY, IN PRIMER, NEEDS BODY WORK, WITH MOST OF TOP
PARTS, WEIGHTS, SOME CHROME.
VARIOUS OTHER PARTS, HUB CAPS, BUMPERS, ETC.
CONTACT: VIRGIL ABEL
PHONE: 920-885-4004
LOCATION: BEAVER DAM WI
Robert Haines
Murphysboro, Illinois
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| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Norm wrote:
>Thanks for sending the video so quickly. I've already watched it
>twice. Alot of outstanding ideas and a really great motivator.
May I second this? I got my video about a week ago and have watched it at
20 or 30-minute "bites" whenever the wife and daughter let me have the VCR
and are out of the room (airplane stuff seems to bore them. Don't
understand why!?) The video is excellent, especially all the hints and
tips, and very especially the air footage. What fun!
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, Oregon
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Navratril" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | wing leading edge |
I am currently installing 1/16" plywood on the leading edges and
wrapping it around to the underside. Many thanks to Wayne at Midwest
Marine for his excellent suggestions. I glued aqnd nailed the top
edges and then used tie down straps every 12". I slowly tightened them
while wetting the wood and used an iron to steam the wood while bending.
Now my question - I installed the plywood pan below the center section
of the wing (one piece wing). I extended the pan from the leading edge
to the rear spar. When I get to the point of covering, will I have to
Poly Tak the whole underside of the center section? My concern is that
there will be about 48" that I won't be able to rib stitch. If I only
Tak a strip at the center line would the fabric distort?
I also enjoy Mike's video on a regular basis. It's helpful to see all
of the nice details and the flying is very encouraging.
Dick Navratil
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | PietenpolTom(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | builder franklin Tn |
Hi my name is Tom Lewis I live in Franklin Tn and am looking for anyone
close to me that is building or flyiny a pietenpol air camper I've started
building ribs and have an EAA tech advisor helping me .But just want to see
in person the real thing
Thanks in advance Tom
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Folks, I'm in trouble. I think I got bit by the bug and might not be able
to wait to build my own... I just saw this in the EAA Chapter 292 October
newsletter (292 is just up the road from me in Independence, Oregon):
PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER: N-2431. 65 h.p. Franklin. Fresh annual. $10,000. Call
Ernie Moreno 503-838-6878 or e-mail ewmoreno(at)worldnet.att.net
Ernie is the EAA Tech Counselor who has come down to look over my M-19
project. Ernie has flown this Piet for 16 years; it is a wood fuselage,
Cub-type gear, extended fuselage bird. Let's just say I've started
exchanging emails since I spotted this ad, but as Jim Carrey would say:
"somebody stop me!"
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, Oregon
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
| Subject: | Lower inside motor fittings. |
Hi,
I am about to do something that makes me very nervous. Wood workers measure
twice and cut once. I thought I would check with ya'll (how's that Corky?)
before I even measured the first time.
The plans for the Pietenpol state that the lower inside motor mount fittings
should have the firewall cut so the mount slides inside and is bolted to the
outside fitting. This would also
cut the lower wooden cross piece where the firewall and fuselage floor meet.
Is that what you did?
I would rather not cut the cross piece. It seems that maybe the inside and
outside fittings could be welded across the front so the inside fitting
wasn't as "tall" and would
slide in on top of the cross piece rather than go down to the floor.
Help!
Ted Brousseau
51% done and only 85% to go
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
The father in law of a friend of mine passed away a year or two ago and
left behind a nearly complete GN-1. It has the fuselage and
tailfeathers through silver on Stits Polyfiber P-103 and the wings are
covered through the orange polybrush. An A-65 is mounted and all of the
cowling is done except for some riveting. It has the Cub gear with
BRAND NEW Cub tires on Cub wheels with Cub brakes. The wing struts are
the rear Cub struts but need to be sized and finish welded. Prop,
tailwheel, instruments, plans, hardware....it is all there. Send emails
to Terry (aka Joe) Wakely at twakely(at)rconnect.com It was built in
Montana but Joe just trailered it to Minneapolis area and would prbably
drive it to you if you were within a few hundred miles, rather thatn
offload it from the trailer. It has never been certified by FAA but I
have been told all the receipts and pictures are there. Therefore the
buyer can get the repairman certificate!!
Chris Bobka
Tech Counselor
Minneapolis
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Warren D. Shoun" <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Ken Brock...Sad News. |
Last Friday...landing at his place in El Mirage, Ken Brock was killed in a
crash landing. His wife Marie has only minor injuries. The funeral will be
held at Forest Lawn Cemetery, Church of Our Fathers, 4471 Lincoln Avenue,
Cypress, California.
Call 1-800-204-3131 for date and time.
~Warren
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Swanson" <swans071(at)tc.umn.edu> |
| Subject: | Lower inside motor fittings. |
Wow, Good question. All the times I have looked at these plans I never
noticed that. It would appear that enough of the cross strut has to be cut
to allow clearance for one of the bolts that connects the fittings. Wish I
had known that earlier, instead of having to carefully chisel out a piece of
the cross strut. I'll also be interested in how you other guys have done
this.
Al Swanson
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ted
Brousseau
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower inside motor fittings.
Hi,
I am about to do something that makes me very nervous. Wood workers measure
twice and cut once. I thought I would check with ya'll (how's that Corky?)
before I even measured the first time.
The plans for the Pietenpol state that the lower inside motor mount fittings
should have the firewall cut so the mount slides inside and is bolted to the
outside fitting. This would also
cut the lower wooden cross piece where the firewall and fuselage floor meet.
Is that what you did?
I would rather not cut the cross piece. It seems that maybe the inside and
outside fittings could be welded across the front so the inside fitting
wasn't as "tall" and would
slide in on top of the cross piece rather than go down to the floor.
Help!
Ted Brousseau
51% done and only 85% to go
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Lower inside motor fittings. |
I left my cross strut out until after the mounts are installed,I plan on
fitting it in between the bolts later. Bernie says cut it on page six of the
plans. All it does is create a surface to glue the front bulkhead 1/8"
plywood to,it's the plywood "box" that is the main structure up there. I
don't think it's a good idea to mess with the geometry of the front mounts
just to save the ends of that little spruce strut. Just my two cents.
Ed G.
>From: "Alan Swanson" <swans071(at)tc.umn.edu>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lower inside motor fittings.
>Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:41:12 -0500
>
>
>Wow, Good question. All the times I have looked at these plans I never
>noticed that. It would appear that enough of the cross strut has to be cut
>to allow clearance for one of the bolts that connects the fittings. Wish I
>had known that earlier, instead of having to carefully chisel out a piece
>of
>the cross strut. I'll also be interested in how you other guys have done
>this.
>
>Al Swanson
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ted
>Brousseau
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower inside motor fittings.
>
>
>Hi,
>
>I am about to do something that makes me very nervous. Wood workers
>measure
>twice and cut once. I thought I would check with ya'll (how's that Corky?)
>before I even measured the first time.
>
>The plans for the Pietenpol state that the lower inside motor mount
>fittings
>should have the firewall cut so the mount slides inside and is bolted to
>the
>outside fitting. This would also
>cut the lower wooden cross piece where the firewall and fuselage floor
>meet.
>Is that what you did?
>
>I would rather not cut the cross piece. It seems that maybe the inside and
>outside fittings could be welded across the front so the inside fitting
>wasn't as "tall" and would
>slide in on top of the cross piece rather than go down to the floor.
>
>Help!
>
>Ted Brousseau
>51% done and only 85% to go
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jeff Hill" <jeff2dogs(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | dihedral and stability |
Hey guys, don't forget that even with no dihedral at all, the piets parasol
wing provides "dihedral effect" in regarding lateral stability.
Jeff in Texas, home from a great Change
of Command parade (and party) in Moose Jaw,
Saskatchewan. If you think Texas is flat...
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Lower inside motor fittings. |
In a message dated 10/22/01 8:07:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
nfn00979(at)naples.net writes:
> I am about to do something that makes me very nervous. Wood workers measure
> twice and cut once. I thought I would check with ya'll (how's that Corky?)
> before I even measured the first time.
>
> The plans for the Pietenpol state that the lower inside motor mount
> fittings
> should have the firewall cut so the mount slides inside and is bolted to
> the
> outside fitting. This would also
> cut the lower wooden cross piece where the firewall and fuselage floor
> meet.
> Is that what you did?
>
> I would rather not cut the cross piece. It seems that maybe the inside and
> outside fittings could be welded across the front so the inside fitting
> wasn't as "tall" and would
> slide in o
Ted,
Yes, cut the front piece as you questioned. As always I could only recommend
staying with the plans as much as possible as they reprsent a proven design.
It's a great airplane. Doug Bryant Wichita Ks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael Brusilow" <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lower inside motor fittings. |
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug413(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower inside motor fittings.
> The plans for the Pietenpol state that the lower inside motor mount
> fittings
> should have the firewall cut so the mount slides inside and is
bolted to
> the
> outside fitting. This would also
> cut the lower wooden cross piece where the firewall and fuselage
floor
> meet.
> Is that what you did?
**********************************************************************************************
I did the firewall as per plans. I then installed a large corner block
and gusset connecting the the horizontal to the vertical member. The
corner block was slotted to receive the inner motor mount.
Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Meadows" <gwmeadows(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lower inside motor fittings. |
Mike,
Thanks! The corner block/gussett - that's a good solution, and retains and
maybe even improves the strength of this area. This was one of those areas
for me that I just decided to forget about until I was there!
Now I can write your solution on the plans and sleep a little better!
Gary Meadows
Spring, TX
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lower inside motor fittings. |
Thanks everyone for giving me the courage to stick with the plans.
Ted
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Fwd: corvaircraft: William's Progress |
Someone asked about William Wynne the other day. Here's an update:
From: Pat Panzera <panzera(at)sierratel.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:52:58 -0700
Just got a call from William,
He's doing better but may need another operation,
complications from the pain killers.
BUT!!! He's going to retrieve the engine tomorrow!
The impound on the aircraft has been clicking away
to the tune of $4500(!). He'll be going there with
some cash in hand (nowhere NEAR $4.5K) and a bunch of
begging. Hopefully they'll accept his offer.
Pat
===============================
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, Oregon
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Piet list support |
Hello again, folks;
Being new to this list, I'm not sure what is customary, but over on the
KRNet it is usual that around the time of the annual KR Gathering in
September the call goes out for people to pony up some bucks to support the
mailing list and/or website. It may be that everyone just does what seems
right in their own eyes, but I've only been here a couple of weeks and have
already gotten well more than the $25 worth that I just mailed to Matt
Dralle at Matronics for hosting this list. He mentions contributions on up
to $100, but that's a little steep for me ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, Oregon
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve Eldredge <steve(at)byu.edu> |
Just a heads up (no pun, well maybe...) on the Piet hats. I have a bunch
of them left over from this summer since I didn't make it to Brodhead like I
had hoped. Anyway if your interested, please email me for details. I'll be
sending a classified ad to the newsletter, but the folks on the list get
first crack at em.
Steve E.
ps there is a photo of them on http://aircamper.byu.edu
$20 each +3 shipping. or free shipping on orders of 2 or more. I have
Black, Blue, and Green versions.
SE
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Warren D. Shoun" <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
Please note, that I bought 2 of these hats last year. They are great! Steve
has done a terrific job and they are excellent quality.
Cheers,
~Warren
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov> |
My wife is a hat nut and she HAD to have one from
Steve at Oshkosh 1999. She protects it fiercely from
the dogs, kids, and other natural sources of harm.
They are nice, even though she won't let me wear it.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com> |
--- Michael D Cuy wrote:
>
>
> My wife is a hat nut
Did you say wife? so did your girlfriend become your
wife? congratulations
Del
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| From: | "fishin" <fishin(at)wwa.com> |
Just a short note on these hats quality, I purchased 2 of them on the first
go-around . after much wear, and they do get soiled and oiled, a quick shot
of spot remover and placed in one of those plastic cap forms, put on the top
rack of the dishwasher and gone thru a regular cycle and what do you
know,,,,they again look like the day they first arrived. thanks Steve
JoeC 99621
>
>My wife is a hat nut and she HAD to have one from
>Steve at Oshkosh 1999. She protects it fiercely from
>the dogs, kids, and other natural sources of harm.
>They are nice, even though she won't let me wear it.
>
>Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <J-M-Duprey(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet for sale |
Oscar: I have seen that Piet for sale several places on the World Wide Web, It
looks very nice. He has had it for sale for quite a while now. In fact he has it
advertised on barnstormers.com for $7,500. Good luck! let us know how you do.
John Duprey
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
> Folks, I'm in trouble. I think I got bit by the bug and might not be able
> to wait to build my own... I just saw this in the EAA Chapter 292 October
> newsletter (292 is just up the road from me in Independence, Oregon):
>
> PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER: N-2431. 65 h.p. Franklin. Fresh annual. $10,000. Call
> Ernie Moreno 503-838-6878 or e-mail ewmoreno(at)worldnet.att.net
>
> Ernie is the EAA Tech Counselor who has come down to look over my M-19
> project. Ernie has flown this Piet for 16 years; it is a wood fuselage,
> Cub-type gear, extended fuselage bird. Let's just say I've started
> exchanging emails since I spotted this ad, but as Jim Carrey would say:
> "somebody stop me!"
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, Oregon
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | More on William Wynne |
Here's a bit more on William's Corvair (not much else remained of the Piet):
===============================
From: Pat Panzera <panzera(at)sierratel.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:00:16 -0700
William just got done at the impound lot, negotiated the $4500 fee
down to $800... he didn't have it all, but obligated himself to
paying it. Perhaps we could help?
Anyhow, the good news is he found a few things:
1. The carb heat lever was in the off position.
They were definitely in carb ice conditions that day, no question.
The lever should have been in a position to keep ice from forming.
2. The engine turns by hand and had compression.
3. The distributor is ash, as are the points rub blocks.
Otherwise the distributor is useable and turns with the engine,
eliminating a concern that the gear roll pin may have sheared.
4. Both blades broke off backwards.
5. Engine is substantially un burned.
6. Intake manifold is bent, but probably not cracked.
7. The case is still full of oil.
8. Valve covers are still painted.
9. Firewall is burned away.
This engine will run again.
Pat
===============================
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, Oregon
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
John wrote:
>I have seen that Piet for sale several places on the World Wide Web,
>In fact he has it advertised on barnstormers.com for $7,500
Now see what I told you guys about the value of this list? Here a guy has
possibly saved me $2,500... that's not a bad return for my $25 contribution
to the list host! Thanks, John. And FWIW, I went and found the post you
mentioned, and it actually says "$7800 or best offer" and was posted in
January of this year. I'm going up to look at it next weekend, Nov. 3, and
maybe see if he'll take $7K cash. Heck, that's getting down into my
allowance/discretionary "no permission needed" spending money amount ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, Oregon
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | model a four banger |
I have a couple questions for you Model A Piet drivers. I have an engine
that I will be converting and am looking for some advice.
Question #1
Currently its bored out to 0.070 over and I expect that I will have to
rebore anyway. It's been written in one of the parts catalogs that when
they reach 0.080, it should be sleeved but the same catalog sells up to
0.120 oversize pistons. Should I go to 0.080 or sleeve it?
Question #2
Magnetos! Don't tell me I have to spend more on a magneto that I did for a
rebuildable engine. What are my options other than Bendix or Slick and more
specifically, what model numbers so I can start shopping.
Thanks in advance for any and all advice.
Robert Haines
Murphysboro, Illinois
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bruce <flyer(at)clas.net> |
| Subject: | Re: buying a Piet |
Oscar, I have purchased a few planes from Barnstormers and other sites
and usually find that $7500 OBO really means $6000-6500!!!
Good luck
Bruce Watkins
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> John wrote:
> >I have seen that Piet for sale several places on the World Wide Web,
> >In fact he has it advertised on barnstormers.com for $7,500
>
> Now see what I told you guys about the value of this list? Here a guy has
> possibly saved me $2,500... that's not a bad return for my $25 contribution
> to the list host! Thanks, John. And FWIW, I went and found the post you
> mentioned, and it actually says "$7800 or best offer" and was posted in
> January of this year. I'm going up to look at it next weekend, Nov. 3, and
> maybe see if he'll take $7K cash. Heck, that's getting down into my
> allowance/discretionary "no permission needed" spending money amount ;o)
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, Oregon
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
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| From: | "Warren D. Shoun" <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: buying a Piet |
Oscar,
If this is the Yellow one with Green trim, do have the engine checked
carefully. I believe that this plane has only been flown about 300 hours in 16
years and not much at all for the past 5 years.
Cheers,
~Warren
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: model a four banger |
In a message dated 10/25/01 7:48:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com writes:
> Question #1
> Currently its bored out to 0.070 over and I expect that I will have to
> rebore anyway. It's been written in one of the parts catalogs that when
> they reach 0.080, it should be sleeved but the same catalog sells up to
> 0.120 oversize pistons. Should I go to 0.080 or sleeve it?
>
> Question #2
> Magnetos! Don't tell me I have to spend more on a magneto that I did for a
> rebuildable engine. What are my options other than Bendix or Slick and
> more
> specifically, what model numbers so I can start shopping.
>
> Thanks in advance for any and all advice.
>
> Robert Haines
> Murphysboro, Illinois
>
>
>
Robert,
1) I would bore this time around, although either choice is good. I also
now do the babbitt work in the model A block.
2) I find my magnetos at the antique car shows in my area. The good folks
at Chicago Magneto Company (1 800 magneto) will help you with parts and
overhauls. I do my own mag work. The good base mounted mags are Wico,
American Bosch, Fairbanks Morris, and there may may others.
Doug Bryant Wichita, Ks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
Pieters,
Pardon me with more dumb questions, but you know how we rebels are.
Reinstalled my done-over engine mount and engine this PM for my A-65. Happily
all mounting holes matched perfectly. It is precisely according to BHP plans
and it comes out 3 degrees minus incidence. Those in the know on this subject
please let me know if I am in the ballpark.
Corky in beautiful, warm Louisiana where it would be nice Piet flying. How
about you Chris?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: looking for a corvair engine |
A email a few days ago about looking for a corvair engine got me looking for
a Corvair engine (I don't know why, I already have my Model-A four-banger
and my wife would kill me if I drug another engine into the garage). Come
to find out, there is a Corvair rebuilder in my town about six blocks over!
I could have ridden my bicycle.
I will be checking to see if he has any "extra" engines and keep you all
posted.
Robert Haines
Murphysboro, Illinois
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Neal <llneal2(at)earthlink.net> |
All,
T-88 is my favorite glue. It has served me well for a long time. Don't
take the following as negative in any way.
Looking forward to the usual second guessing that occurs, I made up some
test coupons with T-88 back in '96 while working on a Woodstock project
(wood glider).
This summer I finally started on my Piet and looking at the old glue
bottles on the garage shelf, I remembered somewhere that the shelf life
of two years should be observed with (any?) epoxy. These guys had been
sitting in the Texas heat in an un-airconditioned barn for five years.
I got new T-88 for the Piet to be safe and last weekend got around to
some tests on the old stuff.
The old test coupons broke in the wood every time.
But, epoxy mixed from the old glue bottles failed to set completely.
After 72 hours the test batches were still "gummy" and flexible. I
would compare the texture to a hard rubber eraser, but a bit tougher.
Samples mixed from the new stuff hardened faster and completely, with
the same characteristics as the old coupons.
Moral of the story:
A. I'm even more sold on T-88
B. Don't use old glue.
Larry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Joe Krzes" <jkrzes(at)hotmail.com> |
>From: Larry Neal <llneal2(at)earthlink.net>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Glue Test
>Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:45:40 -0500
>
>A. I'm even more sold on T-88
Larry,
I lurk over on the Minimax group and here is a recent posting regarding
T-88 Epoxy. Thought this group might find it interesting.
--
Integrity of T-88 Epoxy Glue Joints
Posted By: John Andre - Chesapeake, VA
Date: Thursday, 25 October 2001, at 10:21 a.m.
Folks, I have seen quite a few postings here lately concerning epoxy glue
joints. Ison Aircraft includes T-88 in there kits and recommends it for
plans builders. This adhesive is about as idiot proof as you can get. It is
tolerant of not so precise mixing, it forgives those that fabricate loose
joint mating surfaces, and it has a wide range of curing temperatures. As
you are probably aware, I recently had a "rough forced landing" in some
trees that tore up my MAX. My right wing and landing gear took a beating.
The wood components of these assemblies were splintered into more pieces
than their original components (many more). Close inspection revealed that
not a single glue joint failed. So relax, follow the instructions, enjoy
building your plane, and have confidence that the epoxy (T-88) will live up
to its claims...John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jackphillips(at)earthlink.net> |
Moral of the story:
A. I'm even more sold on T-88
B. Don't use old glue.
Larry
Larry,
I too like T-88. I've used resorcinol throughout most of the structure on
my Pietenpol except for places in the cockpit where it would show
(resorcinol leaves an ugly brown stain), or in places where I either could
not get a good tight joint or good clamping pressure. In those places I
used T-88 and have been very pleased with it. I'm not sure but that I would
use it throughout if I built another wooden airplane.
Jack Phillips
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | javier cruz <javcr(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: looking for a corvair engine |
Hi Robert
I am looking for two corvair 110 hp cylinder heads, if
your frienad have please advice me...
thanks in advance
Javier Cruz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "TED BROWN" <pietenpoller(at)hotmail.com> |
OSCAR;
I have alot of pics of Ernie's Piet. Talked with him one day for 45 mins.
Seem to be a great guy. I wish I was out West I would look into his bird.
I am building a Piet with a Franklin, that is why I hooked up with him. He
emailed me many pic and gave me a lot preformance #"s
If you do get it let me know, as I still need a couple measurememnts.
Have a great day.
Ted Brown- "A Pietenpoller from PEO"
WHEN YOU HAVE A CHANCE VISIT MY SITE!!
"WWW.THECLEANAIRSTORE.COM"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Hello, folks;
There was a post in the archives (and a note in the closing notes in Mike
Cuy's video) that Vi Kapler makes some stuff for Piets. What I'm interested
in is the tach drive for Corvairs. Anybody know if he ever developed that,
and if it's available? Also- does he have a flyer or poop sheet on the
stuff he sells?
Thanks.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, Oregon
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walter evans" <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Question on wing covering |
Did anyone have trouble with the last rib by the wingtip distorting
during covering? don't know if this has been discussed before or not,
but I'm ready to cover and see this as a trouble spot. Even though it
has extra truss pieces in the vertical plane, seems that it could
"squirt" back during tightening. and belly in the middle. Should the
ribs be crisscross laced?
thanks
walt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael Brusilow" <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Question on wing covering |
----- Original Message -----
From: walter evans
To: piet discussion
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 2:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question on wing covering
Did anyone have trouble with the last rib by the wingtip distorting
during covering? don't know if this has been discussed before or
not,
but I'm ready to cover and see this as a trouble spot. Even though it
has extra truss pieces in the vertical plane, seems that it could
"squirt" back during tightening. and belly in the middle. Should the
ribs be crisscross laced?
thanks
walt
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yep, that rib will distort when the fabric is tightened.
What I did was to place braces from the root rib, near its center, top
& bottom to the fwd & rear spar at the third rib. That's four braces.
Another brace went from the tip of the root rib to the after face of
the rear spar
at the the third rib.
Don't know if that makes sense. If you like, I can send you a pic.
I am sure there are other methods of doing this, but mine worked.
Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Warren D. Shoun" <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
Hi Guys,
If you haven't been aware of or Limey Brothers adventures with this great airplane,
have some fun and go to
http://www.flyerworld.com/shenty.ukaircampers/
Cheers,
~Warren
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walter evans" <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Question on wing covering |
Mike,
Think we're talking about different ends. I fabricated the wing as per
the 3 piece print, wich includes the cross bracing of the root rib, and the
addition of the 1/8 X2" ply at the seam. My question area is at the tip
where the fabric crosses the last rib and then sharply angles down to the
tip bow. Is this what you meant?
thanks
walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Brusilow" <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Question on wing covering
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: walter evans
> To: piet discussion
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 2:43 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question on wing covering
>
>
>
>
> Did anyone have trouble with the last rib by the wingtip distorting
> during covering? don't know if this has been discussed before or
> not,
> but I'm ready to cover and see this as a trouble spot. Even though it
> has extra truss pieces in the vertical plane, seems that it could
> "squirt" back during tightening. and belly in the middle. Should the
> ribs be crisscross laced?
> thanks
> walt
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Yep, that rib will distort when the fabric is tightened.
> What I did was to place braces from the root rib, near its center, top
> & bottom to the fwd & rear spar at the third rib. That's four braces.
> Another brace went from the tip of the root rib to the after face of
> the rear spar
> at the the third rib.
> Don't know if that makes sense. If you like, I can send you a pic.
> I am sure there are other methods of doing this, but mine worked.
>
> Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Warren D. Shoun" <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
Sorry,
make that
http://www.flyerworld.com/shenty/ukaircampers
Cheers,
~Warren
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| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Warren wrote:
>If this is the Yellow one with Green trim, do have the engine
>checked carefully. I believe that this plane has only been flown
>about 300 hours in 16 years and not much at all for the past 5 years.
Right you are. Ernie says it's out of annual, so at a minimum the engine
would need to be 'gone through' before becoming airworthy again. And you
are right, he says it has something like 460 hrs. in the 16 years he's had
it, so that's not a lot of flying. BTW- price is now down to $6800 ;o)
And Corky wrote:
>Happily all mounting holes matched perfectly. It is precisely
>according to BHP plans and it comes out 3 degrees minus incidence.
So- what's the problem? Sounds like y'all done it right!
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, Oregon
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | New CorvAircraft Video |
To anyone interested, here is info on the video on William Wynne's accident:
From: Mark Jones <flykr2s(at)execpc.com>
Subject: corvaircraft: New CorvAircraft Video
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:46:44 -0500
Hello All,
I will soon be in possession of a new video Mr. Pat Panzera produced of
William Wynne a few weeks ago in an interview done in New Jersey at his
parents house. In this video William speaks of his recent experiences in
surviving a crash, the possible causes and his current and future plans.
Also included is footage of William running the Corvair engine on his
Pietenpol (before the crash).
These tapes will be sent around on a no charge "pass on to the next person"
basis.
However, if you would like to make a donation to help William retrieve
his plane from impoundment or to help with any of his expenses please
make your donation to:
Patrick Panzera
PO Box 1382
Hanford CA 93232-1382
and he will see that the donation gets to William.
To have your name placed on the pass around list for the video, please
e-mail me direct off line with your address and I will be sure you are
placed on the list.
Thanks
--
Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI USA
E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s(at)execpc.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage
==========================================
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, Oregon
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Warren D. Shoun" <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: buying a Piet |
Sounds like a deal to me Oscar!
Cheers,
~Warren
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
> Warren wrote:
>
> >If this is the Yellow one with Green trim, do have the engine
> >checked carefully. I believe that this plane has only been flown
> >about 300 hours in 16 years and not much at all for the past 5 years.
>
> Right you are. Ernie says it's out of annual, so at a minimum the engine
> would need to be 'gone through' before becoming airworthy again. And you
> are right, he says it has something like 460 hrs. in the 16 years he's had
> it, so that's not a lot of flying. BTW- price is now down to $6800 ;o).
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve Eldredge <steve(at)byu.edu> |
| Subject: | Question on wing covering |
I didn't have any problems with the tip rib as designed, but I did with the
root portion of the wing panels on the three piece rib. I built per plans
with the extra 1/2x1/2" diagonal bracing, and the 2" strip of 1/16" ply, but
after a year or so the rib slid toward the tip at the rib-spar joint on both
the top and bottom of the front and rear spar. The fix was to pull the rib
back and shimmy a block of wood 1/4" thick and the width of the spar, up and
behind each rib-spar joint. fixed the problem. If you are building new,
fill the gap between the first root rib and the second rib, top and bottom
with spar caps to fill in between the ribs. This will prevent the root ribs
from being pulled toward the tip. Give this treatment to both wings, both
spars, top and bottom.
Steve E.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of walter
evans
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question on wing covering
Did anyone have trouble with the last rib by the wingtip distorting
during covering? don't know if this has been discussed before or not,
but I'm ready to cover and see this as a trouble spot. Even though it
has extra truss pieces in the vertical plane, seems that it could
"squirt" back during tightening. and belly in the middle. Should the
ribs be crisscross laced?
thanks
walt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Duprey <J-M-Duprey(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: buying a Piet |
So Oscar.... You going to buy it?
John Duprey
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
> Warren wrote:
>
> >If this is the Yellow one with Green trim, do have the engine
> >checked carefully. I believe that this plane has only been flown
> >about 300 hours in 16 years and not much at all for the past 5 years.
>
> Right you are. Ernie says it's out of annual, so at a minimum the engine
> would need to be 'gone through' before becoming airworthy again. And you
> are right, he says it has something like 460 hrs. in the 16 years he's had
> it, so that's not a lot of flying. BTW- price is now down to $6800 ;o)
>
> And Corky wrote:
> >Happily all mounting holes matched perfectly. It is precisely
> >according to BHP plans and it comes out 3 degrees minus incidence.
>
> So- what's the problem? Sounds like y'all done it right!
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, Oregon
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Pat.Jorden(at)legerity.com |
10:03:12 AM
Hi everyone,
i have been bitten by the bug,
but am still trying to recover... :)
some beginner questions:
how long does it take to build the airframe?
went to the buckeye site but a video is no longer available.
does anyone know of one?
are there any pietenpols near the vicinity of Austin Tx?
thanks!
-pat j.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jackphillips(at)earthlink.net> |
Hi Pat
some beginner questions:
how long does it take to build the airframe?
I've been working on mine for 5 years now (although for two years I didn't
touch it while designing and building our house). How long depends on how
fast you work, how many mistakes you make that have to be repaired or done
over, and how much time you have available to put in on it. Working a
regular job, I can average about 10 hours a week on the Pietenpol. I have
about 1200 hours in mine so far, and have the wings finished, the
centersection finished, the tail finished, the fuselage nearly finished
(lacks the turtledeck, the instrument panels and the firewall), the control
system finished, the landing gear (wire wheel type) nearly finished and the
engine awaiting a rebuild. I hope to fly it in two more years.
Don't look at the work as a chore. I love building it and am already
starting to think about what kind of airplane I want to build next, as soon
as I finish the Piet.
went to the buckeye site but a video is no longer available.
does anyone know of one?
Mike Cuy has a very good one. Check out his website at:
http://users.aol.com/bpabpabpa/cuyvideo.html. It gives his address and
ordering instructions. His Pietenpol won the Lindy Award at Oshkosh a
couple of years ago.
Good luck!
Jack Phillips
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JEFFREY WILCOX <craigwilcox(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: basic questions |
On Tue, 30 October 2001, Pat.Jorden(at)legerity.com wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> how long does it take to build the airframe?
>
> thanks!
>
> -pat j.
Pat -
As I am currently building airplanes #5 (a light low-wing) and #6 (Bakeng Duce
- steel tube high wing), I can tell you that building time varies with the builder
and with the wallet. I did build an all-wood airplane (Taylor Titch Formula
Vee Racer) in 9 months, but on the other hand I started my Bakeng Duce in
1979 - now on the gear with just the details to do.
The details can add up - all the interior, wiring, hydraulics, fuel plumbing,
radios & instruments, etc., etc., etc. Like they say, 90% done, 90% to go.
I think that you can check with Mike Cuy and others - most Piets are built in
2-3 years of part-time work. The more you work, the fster it gets done. There
are no "quick-build kits" for those of us who build from plans. Keep the project
at home for as long as you can, and work it for a few hours each day.
Craig
EAA TC#4553
PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart.
http://www.peoplepc.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | A few degrees here and there |
Pieters,
Many months ago I asked the list for some help on the questions to follow. I
did not get one answer. Maybe you people don't like me. If so, say so. But,
I'm going to ask the same questions again now and if I don't get any
responses I might come back on with some southern stuff you might not like.
The answers are to come, I hope, from those with flying Piets
Today I spent building connecting rods from the rudder bar to the front
pedals. Now I want to install physical rudder stops. QUESTION # 1`. What is
the angle in degrees right and left of center for your rudder travel ? .
QUESTION # 2 What is the angle in degrees of the elevator up and down
measured from level center?
QUESTION # 3 What is the angle of travel from center up and down of the
aelirons?
Sure would like to hear from someone who might guide me on this.
Best figures I've been able to find are from other aircraft:
Aelirons: 20 up, 14 down
Elevators: 26 up, 20 down
Rudder: 18 each side of center
Thanks
Corky in Louisiana where they know how many fish make up a mess
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Video |
Chris,
I do have some Brodhead footage from this year (not much as it was
about 110 degrees and not all that fun standing out in the sun) and
stills put on video of my project as it is being rebuilt (15-20
minutes with narration). If interested, I could put it on a CD and
try it that way. What kind of computer are you running?
Kirk
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:32:34 -0800
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Videos?
>From: Chris Tracy <catdesigns(at)juno.com>
>Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
>I hesitate to even ask this but I was wondering if someone out there has
>any video tape(s) they shot at the Brodhead fly-in(s) or a video tour of
>your own plane. I'm in desperate need of a Piet fix. I'd be willing to
>kick in some money. I have had to stop watching Mike's video because I am
>afraid I will wear it out too soon.
>Chris
Sacramento, CA
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: basic questions |
| From: | Chris Tracy <catdesigns(at)juno.com> |
Don't forget that Steve Eldrige built his in 2.5 years for about $5,000
(1999 $). Oh did I mention he has 3 or 4 young kids, a wife and a full
time job.
My hero.................
Chris
Sacramento, CA
writes:
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> i have been bitten by the bug,
> but am still trying to recover... :)
>
> some beginner questions:
>
> how long does it take to build the airframe?
>
> went to the buckeye site but a video is no longer available.
> does anyone know of one?
>
> are there any pietenpols near the vicinity of Austin Tx?
>
> thanks!
>
> -pat j.
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Borodent(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: A few degrees here and there |
Corky
Great questions - degree of control surface movement- I also need this info
Henry Williams
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Seibert" <r18643(at)email.sps.mot.com> |
| Subject: | Piets near Austin |
Hi Pat,
I have a partially constructed Piet near Austin. It is on the gear with
engine, prop, controls and instruments in it. I am currently laminating
the one piece wing spars up. (ever try to glue and clamp a 16 foot long
board? - that will keep you busy during the glue pot life!) I have been
working on it for 3 years and it has been very enjoyable.
There is another flying Piet out at Kitty Hill Airport too. Kevin
McDonald has that one and its a nice one.
If you want, give me a call at 512-933-3801 (days).
Another option is to come on by our annual picnic at my place on the
17th of November. There should be lots of builders and planes from EAA
chapter 187 to look at. It is at Macho Grande Airport south of Taylor
(its on the San Antonio Sectional). Give me a call for driving
directions if you are interested.
Regards,
Bob Seibert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov> |
QUESTION # 1`. What is
the angle in degrees right and left of center for your rudder travel ? .
Make your rudder stops to stop the rudder before it hits your elevators
or flippers as they used to call em. Simple as that. My rudder stops
are two blocks of poplar glued under the front seat on the bottom of the
fuselage, in front of the rudder bar about 6" either side of the pivot point.
Wiggle your rudder to one side then the other and fix it within about 1" from
hitting your flippers then cut a block of wood to glue in front of your rudder
bar that fits that distance to stop it. Clear as mud.
>QUESTION # 2 What is the angle in degrees of the elevator up and down
>measured from level center?
Corky---You'll want more up than down. I measured deflection in inches
from the neutral point. I think mine was 11" up and 8" down there abouts.
Make it whatever you want, really. There is no definite answer. Just more
up than down.
>QUESTION # 3 What is the angle of travel from center up and down of the
>aelirons?
From the neutral point I think I have 5" up and 3" down, give or take AND
with the stick neutral I rigged them so they have about 3/8" to 1/4" droop on
both sides. Why ? Then in cruise they'll flatten out even with your
trailing edge.
The old timer IA at our airport told me to do that and it works. Thank
God for
old timers.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve Eldredge <steve(at)byu.edu> |
Several have asked for more details, I pulled this from the archives,
Thanks for the interest.
Best Regards,
steve E.
Here is the specs and pricing:
The Hat:
Heavy Stone Washed Denim low crown unconstructed
buckle back adjustment. Color is khaki with a dark green bill.
One size fits all. Basically I got my favorite hat and called the
manufacture
and spec'd it from it. You will love it. It is crushable and comfortable.
The Image:
I had to change the image a little to get it to look good and readable
in stitches. -This is kind of an art of its own!- Check the web site
if you want to see the revised image. http://aircamper.byu.edu
The embroidery:
13000 stitches of the finest thread.. Itis a two tone color pattern, in
either black, blue and green versions. The lettering across the back is:
"Low and Slow for 70 Years"
Please specify quantity and color
$20 each and $3 shipping. 2 or more and you get free shipping.
Steve Eldredge
1005 E. 620 N.
Provo, UT 84606
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve
Eldredge
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peit hats
Just a heads up (no pun, well maybe...) on the Piet hats. I have a bunch
of them left over from this summer since I didn't make it to Brodhead like I
had hoped. Anyway if your interested, please email me for details. I'll be
sending a classified ad to the newsletter, but the folks on the list get
first crack at em.
Steve E.
ps there is a photo of them on http://aircamper.byu.edu
$20 each +3 shipping. or free shipping on orders of 2 or more. I have
Black, Blue, and Green versions.
SE
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Borodent(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: rudder & stuff |
Mike, nice helpful reply to Corkeys question of control surface travel
thanks
Henry Williams
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve Eldredge <steve(at)byu.edu> |
Thanks Chris, looking back now I don't know how I did it. I'm up to five
kids in the same home, and busier than ever. I'm trying to get a Stinson
108 restored now in the single car garage that the piet was built in. As
the kids grow older, it is tougher to find free time. The kids need more
one on one for school work now, and my wife needs some 'adult time' more
often too. Still when I can I have the kids in the garage helping out. I
have to say I was much more motivated when I didn't have anything to fly.
Now, I get distracted by good weather and head to the airport on occation.
(sometimes during the workday too! :0) All I can say is keep at it and work
often, and keep the project going. It have been a sanity check for me to
build and fly.
Steve E.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris
Tracy
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: basic questions
Don't forget that Steve Eldrige built his in 2.5 years for about $5,000
(1999 $). Oh did I mention he has 3 or 4 young kids, a wife and a full
time job.
My hero.................
Chris
Sacramento, CA
writes:
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> i have been bitten by the bug,
> but am still trying to recover... :)
>
> some beginner questions:
>
> how long does it take to build the airframe?
>
> went to the buckeye site but a video is no longer available.
> does anyone know of one?
>
> are there any pietenpols near the vicinity of Austin Tx?
>
> thanks!
>
> -pat j.
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | A few degrees here and there |
Corky wrote:
>if I don't get any responses I might come back on with some
>southern stuff you might not like.
Gee, Corky- it sounds more like the "third degree" to me ;o)
Very good question (range of travel of controls). I'll be listening
attentively for answers. I can calculate the range of travel based on the
geometry of the controls, but that's no good- it's far better to get real
numbers from flying examples, plus any comments like "I run out of aileron
in a strong crosswind"... which is exactly what Ernie Moreno says about his
Piet (the long-nosed Franklin-powered plane that I'm thinking of buying).
>Now I want to install physical rudder stops.
Good. Everything I've seen on 'good practice' says there should be positive
control stops in all axes, and preferably at the surface being controlled.
However, I did happen to see a setup using "hanging" rudder pedals in the
forward cockpit, and they simply bumped against the back of the firewall as
control stops. Since yours are already done, that's not an option. I've
also seen a setup with Nicopress sleeves on either side of the control cable
as it ran through a stout fairlead. But again, both of those solutions
leave the control surface itself without a stop, should a cable break. And
of course you still need to know how many degrees of travel to allow between
stops.
>Corky in Louisiana where they know how many fish make up a mess
You like those 'sac-au-lait', fried up golden? Me too!
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, Oregon
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: A few degrees here and there |
Thanks to Chris, Mike, Oscar and all Pieters for your response. I'll promise
that you are spared any further southern retaliation, condemnation or any
other ations. Your info has been added to my hunches and I believe it should
be a controllable machine both on the ground and airborne. We'll see. I just
want to be able to bury that stick in my fat old belly the second I feel
those wheels on the ground.
Oscar, those beautiful silvery fish you made reference to are called
sac-o-let in south louisiana, white perch here in nw La and crappie up in
Arkansas. Take your pick they are great golden brown w/ french fries, ice tea
or beer.
Corky in Louisiana where we know instinctively that the best gesture of
solace for a neighbor who's got trouble is a plate of hot fried chicken and a
big bowl of cold 'tater salad. ( If the trouble is a real crisis, we also
know to add some hot biscuits and a ' nanner puddin.)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Skip Gadd" <csfog(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | FW: RE: Brodhead Video |
Chris,
Kim Stricker, 302 Lindsey Ln, Jackson Mo 63755 makes a great Brodhead Video
every year. I have every year 92 to now and they are ALL almost worn out. Kim
flys A Cub yellow Gn 1 and hops lots of rides and also shoots lots of tape every
year. Believe he gets $20.00, well worth it.
Skip, in Atlanta where we can finely fly
again!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John McNarry" <jmcnarry(at)escape.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: A few degrees here and there |
I sure am glad to see you working on your project again Corky.
This list is great! I second Mikes comment, thank God for the old timers.
The knowledge they can share in good ol' common sense ways of doing things
is beyond price.
What I like best about Piets? In no particular order!
Common sense airplane
Piet builders
Flying
This list
JMc
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Question on wing covering |
Steve,
I have wondered about this. Why wouldn't it be wise to use a plywood rib,
say 1/4" thick? I am planning to do that on all the root end ribs on the
wings and center section.
Ted
Naples, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Question on wing covering
>
> I didn't have any problems with the tip rib as designed, but I did with
the
> root portion of the wing panels on the three piece rib. I built per plans
> with the extra 1/2x1/2" diagonal bracing, and the 2" strip of 1/16" ply,
but
> after a year or so the rib slid toward the tip at the rib-spar joint on
both
> the top and bottom of the front and rear spar. The fix was to pull the
rib
> back and shimmy a block of wood 1/4" thick and the width of the spar, up
and
> behind each rib-spar joint. fixed the problem. If you are building new,
> fill the gap between the first root rib and the second rib, top and bottom
> with spar caps to fill in between the ribs. This will prevent the root
ribs
> from being pulled toward the tip. Give this treatment to both wings, both
> spars, top and bottom.
>
> Steve E.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of walter
> evans
> To: piet discussion
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question on wing covering
>
>
>
>
> Did anyone have trouble with the last rib by the wingtip distorting
> during covering? don't know if this has been discussed before or not,
> but I'm ready to cover and see this as a trouble spot. Even though it
> has extra truss pieces in the vertical plane, seems that it could
> "squirt" back during tightening. and belly in the middle. Should the
> ribs be crisscross laced?
> thanks
> walt
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | flyboy_120(at)webtv.net (Ed G.) |
| Subject: | Re: Question on wing covering |
I bought my first set of plans from Chad Wiley of St Croix Aircraft. He
has his own center section plan which includes root ribs and center
secton ribs made up from 1/4" X 3/4" stock instead of 1/4" X 1/2",
I have made the ribs but haven't built up the wings yet. The ribs are
amazingly stout. Him and his Dad have been building Piets since the
early 40's.
Ed G.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Pietenpols near Austin |
| From: | Pat.Jorden(at)legerity.com |
07:31:32 AM
Thanks Bob!
will give you a call later, was also already thinking about
visiting chapter 187 too. We live in Round Rock near
1431 and Sam Bass.
-pat jorden
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael Brusilow" <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Question on wing covering |
Steve,
I have wondered about this. Why wouldn't it be wise to use a plywood
rib,
say 1/4" thick? I am planning to do that on all the root end ribs on
the
wings and center section.
Ted
Naples, FL
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
During the time I was building my Piet in the early 80's, I bought a
Piet built by Ed Sampson, which I sold after my Piet was completed.
That Sampson built Piet had plywood ribs with spruce capstrips.
Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Here's a bit more on William, for those interested:
From: "Mark Langford" <langford(at)hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:29:02 -0600
===============================CorvAIRCRAFT===============================
VAirHeads,
I just spent close to two
hours talking to William. He seems to be in great spirits and sounded just
like his old self. He retrieved what's left of the Piet today, and plans to
put the engine on the test stand and run it for a week or so (just to prove
that there's nothing really wrong with it) and then tear it down for a look
see. Initial thoughts are the lack of carb heat, and the position of the
carb heat push/pull cable corroborates that theory. He said he'd give me
full report when he knows more details on the condition of his engine, which
I'll forward on to CorvAircraft. He verified that his engine has a 9:1
compression ratio, and has been running 100LL for about the last 300 hours.
He also mentioned that Steve Makish hasn't flown yet, but is very close.
[You Piet guys don't know about Steve, but he's installing a 3100cc 'Big
Boy' Corvair in his KR
-Oscar]
He says he's not exactly back up to speed yet, but admitted to getting as
much Corvair work accomplished as is feasible from a chair in the hangar
with a Bud in one hand. It was a real pleasure to talk to him again, and
I'm looking forward to next year's Corvair College, as is he. He's pretty
sure he's going to have to have his gall bladder removed over the holidays,
and I hope to visit him at his parent's house while I'm in NY on business
around New Year's. He has at least one Corvair engine to build for a
customer, so he's back on the job. I'm glad he's back with us...
======================================================
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, Oregon
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Ernie's Pietenpol |
Howdy, folks;
Ted Brown was nice enough to forward me some photos he took of Ernie
Moreno's Piet (the one that's for sale), and I've put the photos up on a
little webpage for anyone who is interested. They are at
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/piets.html
And yes, Corky- in Texas and here in Oregon we know sac-au-lait as
'crappie'. But try some strips of fresh Gulf redfish dredged in flour,
cornmeal, salt, and cayenne pepper... golden fried. Then take a swipe of
some buttered mashed potatoes with one of those sticks of fried redfish
and...! (Sorry, guys- I'm missing my old home Texas at the moment).
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, Oregon
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpols near Austin |
Round Rock and Austin bring back some wilddddddd memories. On the way to a
wild Sat night in Austin from Camp Hood back in 43, 3 beered up 2d Lt's were
stopped 8 miles out of R R by the Texas Highway reception committee and taken
to the J P court in R R. Had to go to his home and get him. He was annoyed as
he was working on his Sunday school lesson. He opened the court in his P J's
and slippers and a frown on his face. Ole Corky was about to mess his pants.
I hadn't even seen R R to slow down but that didn't matter. When he said,
Twelve dollars OR twelve days we quickly pooled our cash and got the heck out
of R R.
Moral of this story: I have grandchildren in the R R school district who may
have benefited from our $12 contribution
I'm keeping the Piet locations and phone numbers and if O K I'll call on my
next visit to my daughter somewhere near Westwood school.
Corky in La only 13 miles from Texas
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| From: | Robert Maynord <maynord(at)terracom.net> |
Dear Pietenpol Friends:
My son (12 yrs old) and I have been discussing the possibility of building a
Pietenpol for some time. We are even now building an RC model Pietenpol.
However, we are trying to consider all of the possibilities for the future.
We love the idea of a completely home-built plane, and the economics of the
Pietenpol fit our needs well. However there is one problem: when the plane
is finished, it will need to be parked/stored at an airfield, and that costs
money (at least $80.00 per month). As my son notes, in five years we will
have paid for another Pietenpol!
To solve this problem, I read that some have considered a "folding wing"
design - but have decided it would be almost impossible to do with a
Pietenpol. My son believes it can be done, but I have reservations.
Some have suggested buying a Kitfox, but this is a kit and does not have the
"earthy" homebuilt appeal of a Pietenpol. I have considered the idea of a
one-piece removable wing, but am unsure as to whether it would be possible.
Am I missing something? Are there any options or avenues that my son and I
have not considered?
Any suggestiond or comments would be greatly appreciated......
Robert Maynord
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Warren D. Shoun" <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Seeking Advice |
Robert,
I don't know of any effective folding wing Piet. The Brits have come kind
of close, with a quick connect aileron bellcrank setup that they use for
transportation. It apparently takes 2 very experienced chaps over an hour to
set and rig the plane.
Poke around these two sites, and you will find enough information to contact
someone for better details.
http://www.flyerworld.com/shenty/ukaircampers/
http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~csellen/Piethome.htm
Cheers,
~Warren
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Question on wing covering |
I believe the main drawback is weight. Bingelis, in one of his books
talks about this. I'll try to find it tonight.
Kirk
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Question on wing covering followup |
In The Sportplane Builder, Bingelis has the following to say on page 73 .
"The order of efficiency (weight compared to strength) for the
different rib types might be shown as follows:
1. Truss Rib
2. Lightened, reinforced plywood rib
3. Solid plywood-web with stiffners
4. Plywood-web with lightening holes and no reinforcement
5. Full Plywood-web"
He also says this.
"I guess it is pretty much true that the heavier the rib, the
stronger it is. However, Just how strong does a rib have to be? Rib
failures are really a rather rare occurance.
Plywood-web ribs, although considered to be among the heaviest of the
rib types are easier to construct than the others, hence quite
popular with the beginner builder.
Whenever lightening holes are to be spotted on the rib layout,
remember that one larger hole will lighten a rib more than two
smaller diameter holes.
The hole arrangement and size are critical since plywood rib failures
usually occur around these holes..."
Cost is another issue.
The prices are outdated, but he lists the price of the above ribs as (per rib)
1. $1.53
3. $2.68
5. $3.52
(in 1976 dollars).
Bingelis finishes by saying:
"Apparently, there is no single best design for all purpses. Rest
assured however, that your designer did consider all the advantages
and disadvantages of the rib type he finally selected..."
With that , I'd suggest staying with the plans and only use plywood
ribs in the few areas that benefit the most from the strength if you
want.
my 2 cents
Kirk
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jeffrey Wilcox" <craigwilcox(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A few degrees here and there |
Corker -
Someone just donated a Piet to our EAA chapter (#203, Palm Beach County,
FL). Has 18 hours on it, Cont. A-65 with a metal prop. Apparently it is
pitched too high, so the prop has gone to the shop for re-pitching.
Anyway - Saturday a.m. I am going to go inspect it. I will make a point to
take along my equipment for measuring angles. I will try to get all the
details for you, and then you can write your book with all the answers
you've been given.
Down here our equivalent are called specks (speckled perch). To your list
of ingredients, add fresh sliced tomatos, fried okra, and boiled corn on the
cob. Huge glass of sweet tea!
I gotta mosey up to Shreveport soon to see you. Got an old (well, about 51
or so) galfriend there I wouldn't mind seeing as well.
Craig
Happily trying to figure out how to install a too-big fuel tank in this
little Bobcat plane!
From: <Isablcorky(at)aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A few degrees here and there
> Pieters,
> Maybe you people don't like me. If so, say so. Nah, yall are OK in my
book!
> Aelirons: 20 up, 14 down
> Elevators: 26 up, 20 down
> Rudder: 18 each side of center
> Thanks
> Corky in Louisiana where they know how many fish make up a mess
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Warren D. Shoun" <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Notes of use to builders" |
Corky,
Here is a note on control deflections from our Limey Piet builders
across the pond. Seems to be a little better answer.
Cheers,
`Warren
http://www.flyerworld.com/shenty/ukaircampers/buildersnotes/controls.htm#controldef
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: A few degrees here and there |
Craig,
I don't have any speckled trout at this time but come on up will be glad to
meet you. Now, if you want me to check out that vivacious 51 yr old just give
me her name, address, SSN, phone #, measurements etc and I'll report my
finding asap. I'm sure my wife will concur.
Corky in La where beautiful women are commonplace.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dick and Marge Gillespie" <dickmarg(at)peganet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seeking Advice |
Robert,
Check out the Fisher Horizon, it has a folding wing that could probably be
adapted to a Piet. I'll scan you a couple of pictures direct.
DickG.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Maynord" <maynord(at)terracom.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seeking Advice
>
> Dear Pietenpol Friends:
>
> My son (12 yrs old) and I have been discussing the possibility of building
a
> Pietenpol for some time. We are even now building an RC model Pietenpol.
> However, we are trying to consider all of the possibilities for the
future.
>
> We love the idea of a completely home-built plane, and the economics of
the
> Pietenpol fit our needs well. However there is one problem: when the
plane
> is finished, it will need to be parked/stored at an airfield, and that
costs
> money (at least $80.00 per month). As my son notes, in five years we will
> have paid for another Pietenpol!
>
> To solve this problem, I read that some have considered a "folding wing"
> design - but have decided it would be almost impossible to do with a
> Pietenpol. My son believes it can be done, but I have reservations.
>
> Some have suggested buying a Kitfox, but this is a kit and does not have
the
> "earthy" homebuilt appeal of a Pietenpol. I have considered the idea of a
> one-piece removable wing, but am unsure as to whether it would be
possible.
>
> Am I missing something? Are there any options or avenues that my son and
I
> have not considered?
>
> Any suggestiond or comments would be greatly appreciated......
>
>
> Robert Maynord
>
>
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| From: | Larry Neal <llneal2(at)earthlink.net> |
I've yet to see a folding wing Piet. I suppose it could be done with
some sort of support linkage at the rear spar. Regardless, this
convenience would pale in light of removing the struts, wire bracing,
jury struts, aileron linkages etc. And of course, it would add weight.
I have seen Piets with the three piece wing, built to plans, with an
ancillary support structure to mount the removed wings alongside the
fuselage. The package is then towed on the gear or put on a trailer.
For what it's worth, I would not tow very far on plain bearings...
On my first conversation with Don Pietenpol, he described the method for
one person to lay the wingtips on a cushion and loft the root end to
attach, allowing one-person assembly. I understand that assembly takes
a couple of hours. If you got as good at it as us sailplane folks,
maybe an hour ;-).
Better yet, build an enclosed trailer to mount the wings inside and roll
the fuse in. Add gas cans and tools and this would be great for the
Sunday trip to the field.
I'm building the three piece wing. To a large degree my reasoning is
that if I ever have to land for mechanical reasons, I can pull the wings
and bring the ship home that night. I am making up a
tailwheel/bumperhitch bracket to tow the ship on the gear, but would
pack the wings and struts in a pickup. This would require two vehicles,
but I don't intend to need this capability very often.
Larry
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| From: | "twinboom" <twinboom(at)email.msn.com> |
Hey gents,
After a year or so of research, I have decided to build the Pietenpol.
Looks like a nice ship. I will be starting on the engine first because of
area restraints, but hope to start on the plane next summer after I move out
of the cuurent home I am in. If any of you are locals to me here in So. Cal,
drop me a note. Looking forward to learning from the group.
Doug Blackburn, Arrowbear Lake, So. Cal.
Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca.
<http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ISR>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | 3 piece wings and turbochargers |
| From: | Pat.Jorden(at)legerity.com |
07:36:36 AM
Howdy,
do the 3 piece wings facilitate moving the Piet?
also, i haven't seen the turbos mentioned much
when talking about corvair powered Piets.
I have seen some pretty exotic (to me) cylinder /
piston setups, with really fine machine work
(on the web) but it seems to me that the turbos
would be a good idea for more power, and these
were offered on the Corvairs...
Is there some reliability issues with these?
Are turbos a good alternative to carb heat? (heat
muffs)
thanks!
-pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Seibert" <r18643(at)email.sps.mot.com> |
It just dawned on me that I should send out an invitation to our chapter
picnic. Anyway, once per year we have a chapter 187 picnic the Saturday
before Thanksgiving at Macho Grande Airport. This year is Nov. 17. It is
a Potluck lunch with lots of flying and story telling. This year we will
have a seminar on formation flying - with demonstrations. Lots of food
and hopefully good weather. I do not know if there will be any flying
Piets or not. If anybody wants to come, email me or give me a call at
512-933-3801 for directions.
Hey Corky, any time you are in the Round Rock area you are welcome to
stop by here and visit!
We might have to feed you some of that furrin Texas BBQ though. We have
a couple of the best places around right here in Taylor. Makes my
cholesterol count go up just driving by Louie Muellers BBQ!
PS- If any of you are wondering about the Macho Grande name for thie
airstrip, you have to watch the movie Airplane II!
Regards,
Bob Seibert
________________________________________________________________________________
Doug,
Welcome to the list. What engine are your using?
Kirk
St Paul, MN
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| Subject: | Re: 3 piece wings and turbochargers |
Pat,
Here's my take on the issue. A turbo would take care of carb heat
problems, but raise other problems. Mainly too much HP and headache
in setting it up.
Remember that the Aircamper was built to fly with 40hp or so. Adding
an 80 to 110 hp corvair safely is realistic - especially since at the
rpms of a direct drive corvair aren't going to actually produce the
full 110 hp. Adding a turbo would do two thing I think. 1) you would
need to run at a higher rpm to have the turbo be useful - running at
a higher rpm would mean using a reduction drive - meaning more
weight. 2) You would likely be generating horsepowers closer to the
150+ range. I don't think the airframe and engine mount would like
that very much (i.e. engine tearing itself off the aircraft). If you
beef up the fuselage, fittings and mount you are again adding weight
Carb heat sounds simpler than all that.
We rebuilding an 85hp corvair for use on our project. With OT-10 cam
and +20 pistons we should hit around 80-90 hp on takeoff. That's
plenty.
My humble opinion
Kirk
>
>
>Howdy,
>
>do the 3 piece wings facilitate moving the Piet?
>
>also, i haven't seen the turbos mentioned much
>when talking about corvair powered Piets.
>
>I have seen some pretty exotic (to me) cylinder /
>piston setups, with really fine machine work
>(on the web) but it seems to me that the turbos
>would be a good idea for more power, and these
>were offered on the Corvairs...
>
>Is there some reliability issues with these?
>
>Are turbos a good alternative to carb heat? (heat
>muffs)
>
>thanks!
>
>-pat
>
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 11/02/01 |
Pieters,
Talked on the phone last evening with my Model A friend and he mentioned that
he had acquired several trailer loads of "A" stuff to include some good
engines. Bought it from a fellow who just wanted to get rid of everything. He
doesn't know I'm sending this to the net. A great guy who is very reasonable
IF any of you are looking for a bargain on an engine or engine parts. His
name is:
Charles Henley
9320 Pine Grove
Shreveport, La 71118
318 686 3088
Corky living the good life in La waiting for Alabama to stomp LSU, (Who
acquired this yankee coach who had promised the faithful he would solve all
football problems) I'm getting tired of these carpetbaggers.
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| From: | javier cruz <javcr(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | piets near to St. louis Mo |
Hi friends
I would like to know if there are some Piets or
Proyects near to St Louis Mo. I will take a recurrent
training on Flight Safety on Nov 26, maybe have chance
to take one or two days off.
Saludos desde Mexico
Javier Cruz
Working on the corvair engine, and glad because Corky
is on his Piet again..
go ahead Piets...
Find a job, post your resume.
http://careers.yahoo.com
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| From: | del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: piets near to St. louis Mo |
> Working on the corvair engine
how are you building your engine? according to william
wynn's plans, or your own plans? and are you doing
anything for weight reduction, and if so, what are you
doing to shave weight.
thanks
Del
Find a job, post your resume.
http://careers.yahoo.com
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Gentlemen,
While building over the last several years have acquired some handy items
(small parts and hardware) for the Piet and wondered if anyone was interested
some of it for their project. These are just a few things which are easy to
ship and inexpensive, yet handy. aliminum L angle cowling clips with
Tinnerman nut, landing gear bolts (split gear), small pulleys for aft of the
pilot's seat (these are not on the plans, but some builders use them), 1/16
cable for the tail flying wires, iron rivets for the tail, streamline tubing
for the elevator bellcrank (walking beam), 7/16 ID bushings for the prop
(Model A), tachometer inards (no case). If anyone is interested, I will
create a list with more detail a E mail direct. Thanks Doug Bryant
Wichita, Ks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walter evans" <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
"Fishnet"
| Subject: | just bought a nifty shop tool |
Was browsing through one of those Northern Tool catalogs and came across
the greatest thing. For $35.00 they have a creeper for working under
the car/plane, and with it comes a free tool seat on rollers. Don't
even need tools to put it together, just kind of flips open.
Must have spent 4 hours on that seat in the last two days. Just kick
yourself around the shop.
Was perfect today for rolling around the landing gear, securing hardware
and installing cotter pins, from the tool tray on the bottom.
Was a great relief from " builders knees".
walt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 11/02/01 |
Corky,
Do you ever drive to Dallas?
Chris Bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky(at)aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 11/02/01
>
> Pieters,
> Talked on the phone last evening with my Model A friend and he mentioned
that
> he had acquired several trailer loads of "A" stuff to include some good
> engines. Bought it from a fellow who just wanted to get rid of everything.
He
> doesn't know I'm sending this to the net. A great guy who is very
reasonable
> IF any of you are looking for a bargain on an engine or engine parts. His
> name is:
> Charles Henley
> 9320 Pine Grove
> Shreveport, La 71118
> 318 686 3088
>
> Corky living the good life in La waiting for Alabama to stomp LSU, (Who
> acquired this yankee coach who had promised the faithful he would solve
all
> football problems) I'm getting tired of these carpetbaggers.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 11/02/01 |
That carpetbagger yankee coach just might pull one off at Alabama, it's 35-21
w/ about 4 min left. If they win I might just have me some of that compass
bayou joy juice tonight and take the bride dancing.
I don't go to Big D as much as when my wife's sister was living and my
daughter lived there before moving to Calgary. What do you have in mind?
Corky (You know where)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
looks like I could use most of those items
Del
--- Doug413(at)aol.com wrote:
> Doug413(at)aol.com
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> While building over the last several years have
> acquired some handy items
> (small parts and hardware) for the Piet and wondered
> if anyone was interested
> some of it for their project. These are just a few
> things which are easy to
> ship and inexpensive, yet handy. aliminum L angle
> cowling clips with
> Tinnerman nut, landing gear bolts (split gear),
> small pulleys for aft of the
> pilot's seat (these are not on the plans, but some
> builders use them), 1/16
> cable for the tail flying wires, iron rivets for
> the tail, streamline tubing
> for the elevator bellcrank (walking beam), 7/16 ID
> bushings for the prop
> (Model A), tachometer inards (no case). If anyone
> is interested, I will
> create a list with more detail a E mail direct.
> Thanks Doug Bryant
> Wichita, Ks
>
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| From: | "walter evans" <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
"Fishnet"
| Subject: | Sometimes you find out that there are unsung aviation |
heros among us
Just had a talk with my building Mentor. He was away for awhile , and
after some proding on my part, found out what he was up to.
Turns out that they honored Leo Lagenschlager's Budweiser stunt
plane into the Smithsonian. And Mrs. Lagenschlager called him to insist
that he be at the site. Turns out that he had done most of the work
on the stunt plane of any. Redesigned the wing controls and airfoil.
Recovered the airframe and countless other upgrades.
I can call him anytime and he ALWAYS has time for a complete answer,
inspite of the fact that he lost his wife a few months ago.
On top of all of this, he has no problem, when the time comes, to set up
the mags on my A65 on my AirCamper.
He's quite a guy.
But, some people see him as just an opinionated old man, Oh well.
He insists that when I first fly my Pietenpol that I wear an old
parachute of his, he got it from Leo as a used one.
Won't that be a big harness to fill.
Bob Cook, you know who I'm talking about.
Now I fully know where the saying came from..."They broke the mold"
walt
ps Hopefully my N number will honor him, and surely they'll be a blurb
on my turtledeck thanking him.
why do people like this, " some day, have to fly away?"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Neal <llneal2(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sometimes you find out that there are unsung |
aviation heros among us
Walt,
You got that right. What's also important to note is that guys like this have
supported GA over the years, allowing it to survive many challenges and allowing
us
to fly freely as we do.
I'll bet anyone reading this thread has got some great examples in mind. Maybe
we
should all think more about helping each other out and flying the youngsters as
often as we can.
Imitation is the sincerest flattery...
Larry
walter evans wrote:
>
> Just had a talk with my building Mentor. He was away for awhile , and
> after some proding on my part, found out what he was up to.
> Turns out that they honored Leo Lagenschlager's Budweiser stunt
> plane into the Smithsonian. And Mrs. Lagenschlager called him to insist
> that he be at the site. Turns out that he had done most of the work
> on the stunt plane of any. Redesigned the wing controls and airfoil.
> Recovered the airframe and countless other upgrades.
> I can call him anytime and he ALWAYS has time for a complete answer,
> inspite of the fact that he lost his wife a few months ago.
> On top of all of this, he has no problem, when the time comes, to set up
> the mags on my A65 on my AirCamper.
> He's quite a guy.
> But, some people see him as just an opinionated old man, Oh well.
> He insists that when I first fly my Pietenpol that I wear an old
> parachute of his, he got it from Leo as a used one.
> Won't that be a big harness to fill.
> Bob Cook, you know who I'm talking about.
> Now I fully know where the saying came from..."They broke the mold"
> walt
> ps Hopefully my N number will honor him, and surely they'll be a blurb
> on my turtledeck thanking him.
> why do people like this, " some day, have to fly away?"
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jackphillips(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Sometimes you find out that there are unsung aviation |
heros among us
Yeah, Walt, I've known a few guys like that in aviation. My old flight
instructor was one of those. Like you said, when they made him they broke
the mold. And then they beat the hell out of the mold-maker.
Jack
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walter evans" <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sometimes you find out that there are unsung aviation |
heros among us
Larry, Jack,
thanks for the quick response, I think we all know people like this.
Without the small dedicated ones, planes like the Pietenpol would never
have jumped the 70 some odd years by itself, to be put in our hands. Think
about it.
Next time you're at a fly-in, and you meet the whole spectrum of
"informed old timers to obvious bullcrap artists", shake their hands, and
thank them for their input. because "all of us maintain all of us".
Now I will quietly step down off of my soapbox.
thanks
walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Phillips" <jackphillips(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sometimes you find out that there are unsung
aviation heros among us
>
>
> Yeah, Walt, I've known a few guys like that in aviation. My old flight
> instructor was one of those. Like you said, when they made him they broke
> the mold. And then they beat the hell out of the mold-maker.
>
> Jack
>
>
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| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Sometimes you find out that there are |
unsung aviation heros among us
Some of the old guys are not replacable.
I just got a hangar at Perry-Warsaw (01G), NY. The previous
renter was CFI that had a brain tumor. He probably had it when
I got my tailwheel sign off last year. We were laughing like
you wouldn't believe shooting wheel landings into some of those
farmer strips. The plane that was flown out of his hangar was
a Pietenpol that he finished. The CFI that I did a biannual
with this year bought it.
Watson was the CFI that I was going to hire to teach my son
in my Taylorcraft. May he rest in peace.
Dave
N36078 '41 Taylorcraft BC-12-65
>
>
>Yeah, Walt, I've known a few guys like that in aviation. My old flight
>instructor was one of those. Like you said, when they made him they broke
>the mold. And then they beat the hell out of the mold-maker.
>
>Jack
>
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| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | William Wynne update |
G'day, all;
Before I forward the latest little update on William Wynne (he got his
Corvair engine running again), I want to report that I had a great visit
with Ernie Moreno and got a good, close look at his Piet. I'm real close to
handing him a check and getting a handshake, but having an 'expert' on
Franklin engines give me some advice. The airplane is solid and clean, and
well worth the asking price. I'll update the little web page I put up, if
anybody else is interested in more photos (later today, or maybe tomorrow).
Anyway, here is the info on William:
From: Pat Panzera <panzera(at)sierratel.com>
Subject: corvaircraft: Great news!
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 16:40:17 -0800
William started his engine today!
After crashing it into the ground, and burning it up nearly 4 months ago,
http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/brief.asp?ev_id=20010720X01467&key=1
it was retrieved from the junkyard from where it had been siting since
before Oshkosh.
Only cleaning off some charred stuff and a bunch of
dirt, new spark plug wires, distributor cap and points
were installed, with out removing the distributor or
changing the timing. The carb was removed and replaced
with another carb (mostly for convenience) and it fired
right up (no primer) on the third or fourth blade.
Tomorrow the battered old carb will be bolted on, as is
for another run.
It ran silky smooth for over 20 min.
William is now 99.999999% sure it was carb ice.
http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/brief.asp?ev_id=20010720X01467&key=1
==================
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, Oregon
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Robert Maynord <maynord(at)terracom.net> |
| Subject: | Thanks to Dick, Marge, Warren, and Larry |
Thanks -----
To Dick and Marge for the Fisher Horizon photos. This might work for folding
wings, if done well.
To Warren for leads on the Brits -- seems like some form of "quick attach"
devices might be helpful.
To Larry for comments on the 3-piece wing. I found a modification of the
3-piece wing plan at "Yesterday's Wings and Aero Museum". I don't know alot
about it, but they say it allows the wings to be "assembled and broken down
by one person while minimizing the time for transporting and storing in a
hanger". Sounds good to me.........
I look forward to meeting you all in person - sometime in the future.
Robert Maynord
p.s. While surfing the Web, a found a site that offers a five-cylinder radial
engine that should work on the Pietenpol (HCI aviation) I called the folks,
and the woman on the phone said that there were two of them at Brodhead!
Sounds very interesting..........
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Peter Denny <peterthepilot_99(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol on floats |
I would welcome any information about Pietenpols on floats
Peter Denny
---------------------------------
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| From: | "Gary Meadows" <gwmeadows(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol on floats |
Peter,
The EAA sells reprints of the old Flying and Glder Manual which was
published in the 30's. There was an article in one of those about putting
the Piets on floats. I can't remember the year, the 1932 had the
original-style Pietenpol in it, maybe it was 1933?
You can look these up at the EAA bookstore - they're great reading, and
neat historical background, just remember to put away the Flying and Glider
manual if you go to build a Piet from plans ordered from Donald Pietenpol!
You'll end up confused for sure!
Good luck,
Gary Meadows
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)startribune.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol on floats |
Peter, Check out:
http://www.ultralightfloats.com/index.htm
Greg Cardinal
>>> Peter Denny 11/05 5:55 PM >>>
I would welcome any information about Pietenpols on floats
Peter Denny
---------------------------------
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| From: | "walter evans" <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
I just covered the top of my first wing, then ran out of fabric. So the
top is only shrunk to 250 deg. the fabric seems to have drawn down
farther between the ribs than I expected. It touches the aft spar and
the brackets that wrap the spar , and attach to the wing struts, making
bumps.
Question is,,,will the fabric flatten across the tops of the spars more
to hide the lumps and bumps when heated to 350??
walt
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| From: | "John Hofmann" <jhofmann(at)netwurx.net> |
Hi Walt,
I haven't built my Piet yet but I have covered a quite a few airplanes.
If you did not have the fabric too loose when before attaching and
shrinking you should be fine when you go to 350. It will taughten up
quite a bit. Calibrate your iron carefully and if you have a heatgun
make sure it is at the neighbors and nowhere near your airplane. As long
as you follow the directions of the particular system you are using do
not worry. Glad you are using the blanket method and not the sock
method. It makes for a better looking installation without the unsightly
seams every 70 inches or so.
-john-
I just covered the top of my first wing, then ran out of fabric. So the
top is only shrunk to 250 deg. the fabric seems to have drawn down
farther between the ribs than I expected. It touches the aft spar and
the brackets that wrap the spar , and attach to the wing struts, making
bumps.
Question is,,,will the fabric flatten across the tops of the spars more
to hide the lumps and bumps when heated to 350??
walt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "james cooper" <blugoos1(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | ground terminals for Eismann magnetos |
Does anyone know where I can get ground terminals for an Eismann (Sp.?)
magneto? I need two of them. Thanks, Jim Cooper
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: ground terminals for Eismann magnetos |
Fresno Airparts lists them in their TAP ad... $12.50 part #H27-525
559-237-4863
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
http://www.eaa.org for latest flying rules
----- Original Message -----
From: "james cooper" <blugoos1(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ground terminals for Eismann magnetos
Does anyone know where I can get ground terminals for an Eismann (Sp.?)
magneto? I need two of them. Thanks, Jim Cooper
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Seibert" <r18643(at)email.sps.mot.com> |
You might check out this web site for magneto parts.
They do not list the ground terminals but it might be worth an email if
you do not have another source.
Its an interesting site anyway.
http://www.magnetoparts.com/index.html
Bob Seibert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | authority on board |
Hello, folks;
I noticed this post in yesterday's archive:
>From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org>
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ground terminals for Eismann magnetos
>Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
>Editor, EAA Safety Programs
>cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
I am usually a bit behind in my reading, but happened to have just finished
reading my EAA Sport Aviation magazine from last month, featuring a story on
the folks who do emergency repairs at Oshkosh. If you have that issue, be
sure to read the story- it's interesting. It seems that this list has a
very valuable contributor on board, in Cy Galley. If you read the story,
you'll also see photos of the emergency repair shop the volunteers work out
of, "Galley's Alley" or something like that.
Oh, and FWIW- he's right about the source for parts for the magnetos. The
Franklin 65 on Ernie's plane has Eisemann mags on it, and he rebuilt them
after one failed several years ago. Source for parts was Fresno, like Cy
said.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, Oregon
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mboynton(at)excite.com |
| Subject: | Re: authority on board |
Oscar,
Just FYI, I'm a Franklin owner (90 horsepower, 4ac-199e3). I'm still in the
early building stages and haven't fired mine up, so my knowledge of them is
very limited. It's interesting though, when I mention what I have to
vintage enthusiasts, I always get an approving nod. Parts are not easy to
find, but through a little research, I've sound some sources - such as
Univair.
Mark Boynton
Gilbert, AZ
(D-backs country)
On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 14:49:19 , pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com wrote:
>
> Hello, folks;
>
> I noticed this post in yesterday's archive:
>
> >From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org>
> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ground terminals for Eismann magnetos
>
> >Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
> >Editor, EAA Safety Programs
> >cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
>
> I am usually a bit behind in my reading, but happened to have just
finished
> reading my EAA Sport Aviation magazine from last month, featuring a story
on
> the folks who do emergency repairs at Oshkosh. If you have that issue,
be
> sure to read the story- it's interesting. It seems that this list has a
> very valuable contributor on board, in Cy Galley. If you read the story,
> you'll also see photos of the emergency repair shop the volunteers work
out
> of, "Galley's Alley" or something like that.
>
> Oh, and FWIW- he's right about the source for parts for the magnetos.
The
> Franklin 65 on Ernie's plane has Eisemann mags on it, and he rebuilt them
> after one failed several years ago. Source for parts was Fresno, like Cy
> said.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, Oregon
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "james cooper" <blugoos1(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Eismann magneto parts |
Just a short note to thank Cy Galley and Bob Seibert for their rapid
response to my request for ground terminals for the Eismann magnetos. I
sent away to Fresno Airparts for them and they should be here next week.
We've been looking for them for the last three months without success.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! Thanks also goes to Matt Dralle and the
Pietenpol Matronics for this wonderful service. Jim Cooper from Corky
Country in beautiful South Louisiana.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | one piece wing questions |
Hi gang... I've started on my three piece wing center section spars and
fittings and see the pounds adding up quickly. So I have some questions for
the one piece wing advocates.It's not too late to turn back if the weight
savings are worth it.
1. What is most commonly used for spars ie. 1" routed,3/4" solid
or laminated?
2. What type of scarf joint ? across the wide surface of the spar
( BHP style) or across the width of the spar.
3. What is the approx. weight of a completed wing.
Thanks in advance Ed G.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: one piece wing questions |
--- Ed Grentzer wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi gang... I've started on my three piece wing
> center section spars and
> fittings and see the pounds adding up quickly. So I
> have some questions for
> the one piece wing advocates.It's not too late to
> turn back if the weight
> savings are worth it.
> 1. What is most commonly used for spars ie. 1"
> routed,3/4" solid
> or laminated?
I used 3/4 solid since that is what it seems like
every other plane uses including my tcraft.
>
> 2. What type of scarf joint ? across the wide
> surface of the spar
> ( BHP style) or across the width of the spar.
Definately not the bhp style, look in bingelis book
for proper joint dimensions and style.
>
> 3. What is the approx. weight of a completed
> wing.
about 15 lbs less than the 3 piece, one piece is what
I went with.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Ed G.
>
>
>
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| From: | "twinboom" <twinboom(at)email.msn.com> |
Hello all,
i amlurking behind the scenes. I am going to build my motor first, and
then the airframe when I move next Spring. I ahve heard mention of the
Bingelis book a few times. Since I definately study everything before
building anything, can someone direct me as to where I may obtain a copy of
this book? Thanks for the time,
Doug Blackburn, Arrowbear Lake, So. Cal.
Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca.
<http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ISR>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Warren D. Shoun" <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bingelis BOok? |
Doug,
Aircraft Spruce down the hill sells them. You can also get them from the
EAA library directly.
Cheers,
~Warren
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bingelis Books |
Doug and everybody else,
I ran a book sale here on the piet list last spring and I still have a set
of the FOUR Bingelis books left. I can send them to you for 60 dollars plus
5 dollars for US Mail Media rate. About thirty other Pieters took advantage
of the offer.
I also still have three EAA Wood books for ten bucks postpaid and a copy
each of Bingelis' Sport Plane Construction Techniques and Firewall Forward
( these last two are part of the set of four above). They would be 15 each
plus mdia rate postage (2-3 bucks). Others on the list can vouch for me.
Chris Bobka
EAA Technical Counselor
----- Original Message -----
From: "twinboom" <twinboom(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bingelis BOok?
>
> Hello all,
> i amlurking behind the scenes. I am going to build my motor first, and
> then the airframe when I move next Spring. I ahve heard mention of the
> Bingelis book a few times. Since I definately study everything before
> building anything, can someone direct me as to where I may obtain a copy
of
> this book? Thanks for the time,
>
> Doug Blackburn, Arrowbear Lake, So. Cal.
> Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca.
> <http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ISR>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
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| From: | Kent Hallsten <KHallsten(at)Governair.com> |
Chris,
I'll take one of the EAA wood books. Send me your address and I'll
get a money order out to you.
Kent Hallsten
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol for sale; pictures |
Happy Friday, folks;
Ernie's Piet is still for sale. I haven't decided what I'm going to do, and
won't until around Christmas, but in the meantime- don't wait for me! If
you're interested, talk to Ernie. I just updated the little website I put
up with pictures of the bird, with more info I got from Ernie. He needs
$6,500 for it. Oh, and I split up the website into a couple of pages so it
would load faster. Go to http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/piets.html and
you're there. As I say, I've added newer photos and more text to the page,
and at the bottom of the first page are links to the next 3 (cockpit,
firewall forward, and tail/gear).
And hey- if you haven't yet tried the ultra-fast-zippy-whizbang search
engine that Matt Dralle set up for this list (and the others he hosts)- it
is super-clean, faster than the Concorde, and a joy to use to search the
archives with. I gotta talk to the KRNet to see about moving that list to
Matronics...
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, Oregon
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | three piece wings |
My wing is a three piece with solid 3/4"spars.
Now for some questions:
1. Has anyone actually weighed a three piece wing and a one piece wing that were
built similarly and truly found the weight difference is 15-16 lbs. or are we
all going along with a fifty year old assumption that came from a casual remark
by someone at a fly-in?
2. Why would BHP's method of scarfing be good in 1930 but not in 2001?
3. Why do my e-mails to Mike Cuy keep getting returned?
4. Why does it take me three tries to get one good cowl?
Larry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Bingelis BOok? |
You can go to http://shop.eaa.org/html/2books_bingelis.html?cart_id= which
has all 5 Bingelis books.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
http://www.eaa.org for latest flying rules
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
----- Original Message -----
From: "twinboom" <twinboom(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bingelis BOok?
Hello all,
i amlurking behind the scenes. I am going to build my motor first, and
then the airframe when I move next Spring. I ahve heard mention of the
Bingelis book a few times. Since I definately study everything before
building anything, can someone direct me as to where I may obtain a copy of
this book? Thanks for the time,
Doug Blackburn, Arrowbear Lake, So. Cal.
Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca.
<http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ISR>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michel Dierick" <michel.dierick(at)planetinternet.be> |
| Subject: | Re: Bingelis Books |
Chris,
I'v sent the money. You will receive is next week.
I hope the books you mention are not the books that were ment for me.
Cheers,
Michel
----- Original Message -----
From: Christian Bobka <bobka(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bingelis Books
>
> Doug and everybody else,
>
> I ran a book sale here on the piet list last spring and I still have a set
> of the FOUR Bingelis books left. I can send them to you for 60 dollars
plus
> 5 dollars for US Mail Media rate. About thirty other Pieters took
advantage
> of the offer.
>
> I also still have three EAA Wood books for ten bucks postpaid and a copy
> each of Bingelis' Sport Plane Construction Techniques and Firewall Forward
> ( these last two are part of the set of four above). They would be 15
each
> plus mdia rate postage (2-3 bucks). Others on the list can vouch for me.
>
> Chris Bobka
>
> EAA Technical Counselor
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "twinboom" <twinboom(at)email.msn.com>
> To: "Pietenpol List"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bingelis BOok?
>
>
> >
> > Hello all,
> > i amlurking behind the scenes. I am going to build my motor first,
and
> > then the airframe when I move next Spring. I ahve heard mention of the
> > Bingelis book a few times. Since I definately study everything before
> > building anything, can someone direct me as to where I may obtain a copy
> of
> > this book? Thanks for the time,
> >
> > Doug Blackburn, Arrowbear Lake, So. Cal.
> > Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca.
> > <http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ISR>
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mboynton(at)excite.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for sale; pictures |
Oscar,
Great pictures of Ernie Moreno's Piet. Can you tell me, in the views of the
cockpit, what are the two gauges at the bottom of the instrument panel for?
Mark Boynton
Gilbert, AZ
On Fri, 09 Nov 2001 13:50:49 , pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com wrote:
>
> Happy Friday, folks;
>
> Ernie's Piet is still for sale. I haven't decided what I'm going to do,
and
> won't until around Christmas, but in the meantime- don't wait for me! If
> you're interested, talk to Ernie. I just updated the little website I
put
> up with pictures of the bird, with more info I got from Ernie. He needs
> $6,500 for it. Oh, and I split up the website into a couple of pages so
it
> would load faster. Go to http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/piets.html and
> you're there. As I say, I've added newer photos and more text to the
page,
> and at the bottom of the first page are links to the next 3 (cockpit,
> firewall forward, and tail/gear).
>
> And hey- if you haven't yet tried the ultra-fast-zippy-whizbang search
> engine that Matt Dralle set up for this list (and the others he hosts)-
it
> is super-clean, faster than the Concorde, and a joy to use to search the
> archives with. I gotta talk to the KRNet to see about moving that list
to
> Matronics...
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, Oregon
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard(at)titan.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol for sale; pictures |
They look like oil pressure and temperature to me. Is that correct?
Gene Hubbard
San Diego, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: mboynton(at)excite.com [mailto:mboynton(at)excite.com]
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for sale; pictures
Oscar,
Great pictures of Ernie Moreno's Piet. Can you tell me, in the views of the
cockpit, what are the two gauges at the bottom of the instrument panel for?
Mark Boynton
Gilbert, AZ
On Fri, 09 Nov 2001 13:50:49 , pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com wrote:
>
> Happy Friday, folks;
>
> Ernie's Piet is still for sale. I haven't decided what I'm going to do,
and
> won't until around Christmas, but in the meantime- don't wait for me! If
> you're interested, talk to Ernie. I just updated the little website I
put
> up with pictures of the bird, with more info I got from Ernie. He needs
> $6,500 for it. Oh, and I split up the website into a couple of pages so
it
> would load faster. Go to http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/piets.html and
> you're there. As I say, I've added newer photos and more text to the
page,
> and at the bottom of the first page are links to the next 3 (cockpit,
> firewall forward, and tail/gear).
>
> And hey- if you haven't yet tried the ultra-fast-zippy-whizbang search
> engine that Matt Dralle set up for this list (and the others he hosts)-
it
> is super-clean, faster than the Concorde, and a joy to use to search the
> archives with. I gotta talk to the KRNet to see about moving that list
to
> Matronics...
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, Oregon
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: three piece wings |
In a message dated 11/9/01 7:55:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, lnawms(at)msn.com
writes:
> My wing is a three piece with solid 3/4"spars.
>
> Now for some questions:
>
> 1. Has anyone actually weighed a three piece wing and a one piece wing th> at
were built similarly and truly found the weight difference is 15-16 lb> s. or
are we all going along with a fifty year old assumption that came f> rom a casual
remark by someone at a fly-in?
>
> 2. Why would BHP's method of scarfing be good in 1930 but not in 2001?
>
> 3. Why do my e-mails to Mike Cuy keep getting returned?
>
> 4. Why does it take me three tries to get one good cowl?
>
> Larry
>
Larry,
Here is my opinion for what it is worth. I have weighed all the parts and
bolts needed for the three piece wing and came up with about 4 pounds. I
posted this information a while back, so it could be in the archieve.
The scarf method used by BHP would still work fine in that exact application
and spar thickness. Other scarf methods may be better, however. You won't
need a scarf at all with a three piece wing.
Not sure where Mike is.
What part of the cowl are you building?
Doug Bryant
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: three piece wings |
Larry,
For what it's worth each panel of my 3 pc wing weighs 48 lbs naked and the
c/s weighs 17 lbs.
Corky in La
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Lost memory and progress on Piet report |
Pieters,
My memory sometimes plays tricks on me. Will the Pieter who I promised to
mail the back issues of the BPA stuff as reproduced by the Pieter in S
Carolina p[lease contact me. I'm sorry that I forgot who you are as I didn't
write it down
Progress: Moved the naked wings to the airport hanger last week. Have
finished final varnishing of the fuse, installed instruments, connected all
dual controls, labeled controls, installed oxyen system, am painting struts,
landing gear assembly, engine mount and everything else to be true blue. I
feel good and have been working ha4rd these last two weeks. Today its 72
degrees with a 57% humility. Thats not normal down here.
Corky enjoying the good life with his bride Isabelle ( Yankee from Mattoon,
Ill)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mboynton(at)excite.com |
| Subject: | Chuckle/I love my uncle |
Guys,
I was chatting with my uncle last night. He's now 91 and still as sharp as
can be. He flew B-24's over Northern Italy in WW II. He was waxing
nostalgic over his flying days and said to me "I wish I was a young guy
again. I'd get right back into it... then I'd head over to Afghanistan!"
I love my uncle.
Mark Boynton
Gilbert, AZ
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | flyboy_120(at)webtv.net (Ed G.) |
| Subject: | Re: Lost memory and progress on Piet report |
Yea Corky.....Soooo glad to see you're finishing your Piet. It tore me
up when you were talking about selling it. Ed G.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Mark wrote:
>Just FYI, I'm a Franklin owner (90 horsepower, 4ac-199e3).
The Franklin on Ernie's plane is a 65 HP, 4AC-176-B2. I believe this engine
was used on Taylorcrafts. A good, clean, straight Pietenpol should fly real
nicely on a 65 HP engine (Mike Cuy's being a perfect example), but a heavy
bird will climb a little slowly with it, especially when two-up. Watching
Mike's video, it's truly a delight to watch his plane lift off and easily
please its pilot... even with both cockpits full. I've never actually
ridden in Mike's bird, but the video really makes flight in it seem a lot
different than what I'm used to hearing about Piets. Or maybe it's the
background music Mike has in the video that makes it seem so mellow ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, Oregon
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael Brusilow" <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for sale; pictures |
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for sale; pictures
Happy Friday, folks;
Ernie's Piet is still for sale. He needs $6,500 for it.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Well, guys, that airplane is grossly underpriced.
Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr sam )
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Ernie's panel and stratospheric Corky |
Mark asked:
>Can you tell me, in the views of the cockpit, what are the
>two gauges at the bottom of the instrument panel for?
Gene replied:
>They look like oil pressure and temperature to me. Is that correct?
Yep; that's what they are.
And then Corky wrote:
>installed instruments, connected all dual controls, labeled controls,
>installed oxygen system,
Whoa, Corky! You plan on cruisin' your Pietenpol up in the flight levels?
It's mighty lonely at 12,500 in an open-cockpit airplane doing maybe 75 MPH
mixing it up with the heavies up there... ;o) But I do like the weather
down your way... "57% humility". Not like Texas (0% humility).
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, Oregon
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Ernie's panel and stratospheric Corky |
Oscar and ALL Piets,
You youngster don't realize that some might need oxy at sea level
Corky in La breathing heavy since Dr. Diddie Dumb Wad refused my medical.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Sorry to keep hammering on this thread, but I forgot to put a picture on the
webpage on Ernie's airplane... a picture of him. I think it makes a more
personal connection if you know what some of these guys look like rather
than them just being names in cyberspace. So I added a picture of him;
second one down from the top at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/piets.html
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, Oregon
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robert Maynord <maynord(at)terracom.net> |
| Subject: | FAA approved Glue? |
Dear Piet Friends:
Some on the list have mentioned T-88 as a good glue. Elsewhere I read that
Weldwood was good, and that it was FAA certified.
On a Pietenpol, does FAA certification mean anything? Or since it is
"Experimental" does that mean FAA certified is irrelevant?
I assume T-88 is a more recent/better glue.........
Thanks!
Robert & Michael
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael Brusilow" <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FAA approved Glue? |
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Maynord
To: The Pietenpol List
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 3:15 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: FAA approved Glue?
Dear Piet Friends:
Some on the list have mentioned T-88 as a good glue. Elsewhere I read
that
Weldwood was good, and that it was FAA certified.
On a Pietenpol, does FAA certification mean anything? Or since it is
"Experimental" does that mean FAA certified is irrelevant?
I assume T-88 is a more recent/better glue.........
Thanks!
Robert & Michael
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I have used both. Weldwood is easier to use because it is available at
the local hardware store, the powder is mixed with water & one can make
up small batches & not waste a bunch of glue, I used it on all my ribs.
However, it is not gap filling & must be clamped.
T-88 is the glue de jour. I used it on the fuselage sides & other
places. It is temp sensitive & found it difficult to use a long glue
joints. I flows better if it is warmed. I was never able to judge how
much to make up so there was some wastage. Also it is allergenic. Big
advantage, if a mistake is made,the glue joint can be take down with a
300 deg heat gun. But of course, I never made a mistake.
One caveat, the above is what I did, I don't present myself as an
expert, I am sure there are people much more knowledgeable me.
Mike B Piet N687MB (Mr Sam )
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jackphillips(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | FAA approved Glue? |
Robert & Michael.
T-88 is a good glue. It is not better than Resorcinol, but is more
forgiving. It does not hold up as well under high heat/high humidity as
resorcinol, but then nothing else does either (resorcinol can withstand
immersion in boiling water for 24 hours, if you're ever thinking of boiling
your airplane). Resorcinol is unforgiving of poor joint construction as it
will not fill gaps. It requires fairly high clamping pressures and fairly
precise mixing, and your shop must be at least 70 degrees F. But if you get
all those things right (which really isn't hard) it is the best possible
glue. I used resorcinol everywhere in the structure of my Pietenpol, except
in the cockpit where I didn't want its ugly brown stains to show. In those
places, or the places where I didn't have a perfect fitting joint, I used
T-88 with good results. The only thing I don't like about T-88 really is
that it is sticky and messy and seems to get on everything. Resorcinol
cleans up with water.
My two cents worth
Jack Phillips
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert
Maynord
Subject: Pietenpol-List: FAA approved Glue?
Dear Piet Friends:
Some on the list have mentioned T-88 as a good glue. Elsewhere I read that
Weldwood was good, and that it was FAA certified.
On a Pietenpol, does FAA certification mean anything? Or since it is
"Experimental" does that mean FAA certified is irrelevant?
I assume T-88 is a more recent/better glue.........
Thanks!
Robert & Michael
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: FAA approved Glue? |
About the glue,
Built a Smith Min i plane in the 50's used Weldwood
Built a Lightning Sail boat in the 60's used a powder product like Weldwood
and Resoursanal
Built a VP II in the 80's and used Aerolite
Built part of a Piet in the 90's and used all of the above PLUS Tightbond II
The latter is by far the easier and strongest. Since I have so much
floatation built into my Piet I don't have to worry about the waterproof
element.
Corky floating down the ole Red River in La
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Have You Tried the New List Browse Feature?? |
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| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bingelis Books |
Michel,
I have your books set aside so do not worry.
Chris bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Dierick" <michel.dierick(at)planetinternet.be>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bingelis Books
>
> Chris,
>
>
> I'v sent the money. You will receive is next week.
>
> I hope the books you mention are not the books that were ment for me.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Christian Bobka <bobka(at)charter.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bingelis Books
>
>
>
> >
> > Doug and everybody else,
> >
> > I ran a book sale here on the piet list last spring and I still have a
set
> > of the FOUR Bingelis books left. I can send them to you for 60 dollars
> plus
> > 5 dollars for US Mail Media rate. About thirty other Pieters took
> advantage
> > of the offer.
> >
> > I also still have three EAA Wood books for ten bucks postpaid and a copy
> > each of Bingelis' Sport Plane Construction Techniques and Firewall
Forward
> > ( these last two are part of the set of four above). They would be 15
> each
> > plus mdia rate postage (2-3 bucks). Others on the list can vouch for
me.
> >
> > Chris Bobka
> >
> > EAA Technical Counselor
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "twinboom" <twinboom(at)email.msn.com>
> > To: "Pietenpol List"
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bingelis BOok?
> >
> >
>
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > > i amlurking behind the scenes. I am going to build my motor first,
> and
> > > then the airframe when I move next Spring. I ahve heard mention of the
> > > Bingelis book a few times. Since I definately study everything before
> > > building anything, can someone direct me as to where I may obtain a
copy
> > of
> > > this book? Thanks for the time,
> > >
> > > Doug Blackburn, Arrowbear Lake, So. Cal.
> > > Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca.
> > > <http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ISR>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
Hello List,
Well, we got moved to North Canton,OH just fine & are getting settled into
our new home - lots of space, but lots of my wife's Grandmother's stuff to
clear out yet,too (it used to be her house).
We are both looking for work & still getting unpacked, so that takes most
of our time, BUT I found the time last week to meet with Mike Cuy & get a
ride in his plane for about an hour before sunset. What a beautiful plane &
what a great ride - makes me even more determined to get started on my
project!
Hope everyone is doing well.
Kip Gardner
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "twinboom" <twinboom(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bingelis Books |
Chris,
I started this thread with the original question about the Bingelis
books. I never directly responded to you about the original enquiry. I wrote
again to ask if you could set a "set" aside, and this is what you replied,
to "Michael". I am Doug Blackburn. Sure your wires were just crossed do to
speak. BUt if you still have an extra set, I should be able to get the money
to you by the end of November. If you cannot hold a set, I understand and
it is not a problem. Thanks for your book offerings, and you willingness to
help the "newbies" on the list.
Doug Blackburn, Arrowbear Lake, So. Cal.
Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca.
<http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ISR>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | john e fay <jefay(at)juno.com> |
Mike Bell,
Are you still monitoring this list. This is John Fay from Peoria.
Contact me please at jefay(at)juno.com
Did some of you guys get your reprints of the old BPAN newsletters from
Mike.
John Fay in Peoria, IL.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hofmann" <jhofmann(at)netwurx.net> |
I never got mine, but to be fair, the check was never cashed either.
> Mike Bell,
>
> Are you still monitoring this list. This is John Fay from Peoria.
> Contact me please at jefay(at)juno.com
>
> Did some of you guys get your reprints of the old BPAN newsletters from
> Mike.
>
> John Fay in Peoria, IL.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | COZYPILOT(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Bingelis Books |
and you didn't even ask them if they were EAA members, and if so why not
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Count 'em, Cy, the picture shows four |
Cy,
The EAA only sells a set of four Bingelis books. I do not know of a fifth
book.
chris bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bingelis BOok?
>
> You can go to http://shop.eaa.org/html/2books_bingelis.html?cart_idwhich
> has all 5 Bingelis books.
>
> Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
> Editor, EAA Safety Programs
> cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
> http://www.eaa.org for latest flying rules
> Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "twinboom" <twinboom(at)email.msn.com>
> To: "Pietenpol List"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bingelis BOok?
>
>
> Hello all,
> i amlurking behind the scenes. I am going to build my motor first, and
> then the airframe when I move next Spring. I ahve heard mention of the
> Bingelis book a few times. Since I definately study everything before
> building anything, can someone direct me as to where I may obtain a copy
of
> this book? Thanks for the time,
>
> Doug Blackburn, Arrowbear Lake, So. Cal.
> Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca.
> <http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ISR>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bingelis Books |
Look, cozypilot(at)aol.com, you were the only one of over thirty individuals
who ordered books and then never sent any money so it is your books (and a
few extra) that I am selling to them on behalf of my EAA Chapter that is
otherwise stuck with them.
The sale was open to anybody. If you were not an EAA member, then you were
signed up for a free 90 day membership, if you wanted it. What is your
beef?
Chris Bobka
EAA Chapter 25 Treasurer
EAA Technical Counselor
----- Original Message -----
From: <COZYPILOT(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bingelis Books
>
> and you didn't even ask them if they were EAA members, and if so why not
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bert Conoly" <bconoly(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Wheel/Brake combo |
Gentlemen:
I originally built my split gear in anticipation of using 4" Cub
tires/wheels. But I found that the brake parts are really expensive. I
have decided to start over and use some other combo. Ihave been pouring
over the ASS and Wicks catalogues and am confused about what I need.
As it stands I have 1 1/4" axles (split). I have entertained the idea of
going to Clevelands but they are REALLY pricey. Has anyone used the Matco
or JDM combos that are advertized? Is it hard to get pads etc? I have a
set of 700X6.00 tires but I'm not opposed to chucking them and starting
afresh.
Also I will need to get a couple of master cylinders. I may just use one MC
and use a hand operated lever for braking OR I may go ahead and mount either
heel or toe brakes to give differential braking. Any suggestions are
appreciated. I will use a Continental A-65 so I'll need to be able to
perform a run-up.
Also If anyone has wheel/brakes for sell, contact me...
From the land of the 'Noles (a bit sad these days - for those who saw the NC
State spanking)
later, bert
(Tallahassee)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 11/02/01 |
Corky,
I am helping my neighbor fly his newly purchased Luscombe from Houston to
Florida this coming weekend. I was wondering whether you could suggest any
airports to land at that have good Cajun food nearby? It doesn't have
electric so I don't think we can get in around New Orleans class B.
Thanks,
Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 11/02/01
>
> That carpetbagger yankee coach just might pull one off at Alabama, it's
35-21
> w/ about 4 min left. If they win I might just have me some of that compass
> bayou joy juice tonight and take the bride dancing.
> I don't go to Big D as much as when my wife's sister was living and my
> daughter lived there before moving to Calgary. What do you have in mind?
> Corky (You know where)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Wheel/Brake combo |
Bert,
I know the indecision you are experiencing. Mr. Harvey at Lucein airport here
in Shreveport has many salvaged aircraft. If you could use a pair of 6.00X 6
wheels and a pr of Cessna cyl's and brakes let me know and I'll check with
him. His lease runs out in a few years and he is anxious to get rid of his
parts and engines and at a homebuilders price. Check with Bobka, he knows
this gentleman.
Corky in La ready to help if I can.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 11/02/01 |
Ted,
Even though it's 235 miles from where I live, let down in Abbeville, about 20
mi ssw of Lafayette Regional and have someone take you to Shucks. Everyone
knows of it there. You will get the BEST oysters anywhere including Nawlins.
Shrimp and ALL seafoods are there too. You should plan an RON as this food
MUST be washed with coooold beer. Call Piet builder Jim Cooper, he lives
nearby and will probably join you.
Corky in North La drooling about South Louisiana food
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JEFFREY WILCOX <craigwilcox(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wheel/Brake combo |
On Mon, 12 November 2001, Isablcorky(at)aol.com wrote:
If you could use a pair of 6.00X 6
> wheels and a pr of Cessna cyl's and brakes let me know and I'll check with
> him. > Corky in La ready to help if I can.
Corky -
If the price isn't too dear, I could sure use a pair of brake cylinders for my
Bakeng Duce!
Our EAA Chapter took delivery of a nice red Piet last week. A65 engine, but the
prop is too steeply pitched, so it's off for adjustment. Nice airplane!
Things are going well here in S. Fla. Got the Duce up on the gear, and the little
Bobcat not too far behind. Made up the engine mount for it last night, well,
started anyway. Believe it or not, it uses a Half-VW - front two cylinders!
As it was a 2165 cc Mosler/VW before, it'll put out about 43-45 HP @ 3200!!!
Take care, don't eat too much Gumbo!
Craig
PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart.
http://www.peoplepc.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wheel/Brake combo |
--- Bert Conoly wrote:
>
>
> Gentlemen:
>
> I originally built my split gear in anticipation of
> using 4" Cub
> tires/wheels. But I found that the brake parts are
> really expensive.
go to a place where they sell 4 wheelers and buy
calipers and master cylinders, and then buy aluminum
rims that they use on racing gocarts. (I have a
catalog I could hunt up) if you know somebody with a
lathe, they can turn out some hubs. this setup is
strong lighter and far cheaper.
Del
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Count 'em, Cy, the picture shows four |
You are right! Must have missed the 4 and got the 5!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Count 'em, Cy, the picture shows four
Cy,
The EAA only sells a set of four Bingelis books. I do not know of a fifth
book.
chris bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bingelis BOok?
>
> You can go to http://shop.eaa.org/html/2books_bingelis.html?cart_idwhich
> has all 5 Bingelis books.
>
> Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
> Editor, EAA Safety Programs
> cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
> http://www.eaa.org for latest flying rules
> Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "twinboom" <twinboom(at)email.msn.com>
> To: "Pietenpol List"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bingelis BOok?
>
>
> Hello all,
> i amlurking behind the scenes. I am going to build my motor first, and
> then the airframe when I move next Spring. I ahve heard mention of the
> Bingelis book a few times. Since I definately study everything before
> building anything, can someone direct me as to where I may obtain a copy
of
> this book? Thanks for the time,
>
> Doug Blackburn, Arrowbear Lake, So. Cal.
> Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca.
> <http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ISR>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Wheel/Brake combo |
Craig,
Called Mr. Harvey about the brake cyl. He wasn't sure but he thought he had a
pr of used ones which he said he would sell for about $35 each. If you are
interested we'll look into it a little further.
Corky in wet La
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ernie's panel and stratospheric Corky |
Corky,
If you are putting O2 in your plane, run a little hose to the carb for that
little extra power on take-off's and high speed fly-by's. :)
(I can see it now, Corky and his 200HP piet doing hammerhead stalls!)
Robert Haines
Murphysboro, Illinois
>
____
> From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ernie's panel and stratospheric Corky
>
>
> Oscar and ALL Piets,
> You youngster don't realize that some might need oxy at sea level
> Corky in La breathing heavy since Dr. Diddie Dumb Wad refused my medical.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard(at)titan.com> |
I got mine a long time ago.
Gene Hubbard
San Diego
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hofmann [mailto:jhofmann(at)netwurx.net]
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mike Bell?
I never got mine, but to be fair, the check was never cashed either.
> Mike Bell,
>
> Are you still monitoring this list. This is John Fay from Peoria.
> Contact me please at jefay(at)juno.com
>
> Did some of you guys get your reprints of the old BPAN newsletters from
> Mike.
>
> John Fay in Peoria, IL.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Swanson" <swans071(at)tc.umn.edu> |
| Subject: | Wheel/Brake combo |
Bert,
You might call Wentworth Aircraft here in Minneapolis. They are a very
large aircraft salvage yard, and will have something at a reasonable price.
If you ever get to Oshkosh, they exhibit every year. I have purchased items
from them, and have always been very happy- they don't sell junk.
Their phone number and address is:
Wentworth Aircraft Inc
2825 13 Ave S MINNEAPOLIS MN 55407-1417
(612) 722-0065
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bert
Conoly
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheel/Brake combo
Gentlemen:
I originally built my split gear in anticipation of using 4" Cub
tires/wheels. But I found that the brake parts are really expensive. I
have decided to start over and use some other combo. Ihave been pouring
over the ASS and Wicks catalogues and am confused about what I need.
As it stands I have 1 1/4" axles (split). I have entertained the idea of
going to Clevelands but they are REALLY pricey. Has anyone used the Matco
or JDM combos that are advertized? Is it hard to get pads etc? I have a
set of 700X6.00 tires but I'm not opposed to chucking them and starting
afresh.
Also I will need to get a couple of master cylinders. I may just use one MC
and use a hand operated lever for braking OR I may go ahead and mount either
heel or toe brakes to give differential braking. Any suggestions are
appreciated. I will use a Continental A-65 so I'll need to be able to
perform a run-up.
Also If anyone has wheel/brakes for sell, contact me...
>From the land of the 'Noles (a bit sad these days - for those who saw the
NC
State spanking)
later, bert
(Tallahassee)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jackphillips(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Wheel/Brake combo |
Hi Bert,
I've got some surplus junk ... er, I mean parts that I would sell. I'm
building the solid axle wire wheel type gear on my Pietenpol, but before I
built the control system in the cockpit I started buying parts. I have one
Scott master cylinder (the left one) like was used for the heel brakes on a
J-3 Cub. New they go for about $325. This one needs a new diapragm, but
that only costs about $10. If it will do you any good I will sell it for
$50 (what I have in it). I also have a Scott parking brake valve which I
will sell for $50. ASS sells them for $132.95.
After I built the rudder bar support I realized that I couldn't use the
Scott master cylinders as they were too tall to fit under the rudder bar.
If you are only going to use one master cylinder though you could mount it
wherever convenient so the Scott should work fine.
I wanted heel brakes since to me it makes more sense to dig in your heels
when you want to stop rather than press forward with your toes, so I
designed a set of heel brake pedals and bought a pair of Gar-Kenyon master
cylinders off of eBay. These MC's came from a Piper Tomahawk, and are in
very good condition, but they are too long for my application, so I bought a
pair of Matco's which I have installed. If you are using toe brakes you
should be able to make them work. Again I will sell them for what I have in
them, which is $80 for the pair.
I bought my wheels and brakes (Clevelands) from the Cessna 140 website
(www.cessna140.com) classified section and only paid about $150 for wheels,
brakes and axles. I am not going to use the axles and will sell them for
$50 for the pair (I'm keeping the nuts, however). ASS sells them for $58.95
each. These axles are for 6.00 x 6 wheels and are 1-1/2" dia.
If any of this sounds useful to you let me know and we can make
arrangements.
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC (NC State Country)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bert Conoly
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheel/Brake combo
Gentlemen:
I originally built my split gear in anticipation of using 4" Cub
tires/wheels. But I found that the brake parts are really expensive. I
have decided to start over and use some other combo. Ihave been pouring
over the ASS and Wicks catalogues and am confused about what I need.
As it stands I have 1 1/4" axles (split). I have entertained the idea of
going to Clevelands but they are REALLY pricey. Has anyone used the Matco
or JDM combos that are advertized? Is it hard to get pads etc? I have a
set of 700X6.00 tires but I'm not opposed to chucking them and starting
afresh.
Also I will need to get a couple of master cylinders. I may just use one MC
and use a hand operated lever for braking OR I may go ahead and mount either
heel or toe brakes to give differential braking. Any suggestions are
appreciated. I will use a Continental A-65 so I'll need to be able to
perform a run-up.
Also If anyone has wheel/brakes for sell, contact me...
From the land of the 'Noles (a bit sad these days - for those who saw the NC
State spanking)
later, bert
(Tallahassee)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | javier cruz <javcr(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | radio conections |
Hi Piet's
I can get a narco com 11A radio for the Piet, but it ,
but it doesn't have the conections, someone of you
knows where i can get the wiring diagram, i have
sended an e-mail to Narco but they don't replay the
e-mail.
Thanks for your help
Javier Cruz
Waiting for the second inspeccion from the autorities
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 11/02/01 |
Corky I knew you wouldn't let me down. I think of you while drooling...
Thanks, Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 11/02/01
>
> Ted,
> Even though it's 235 miles from where I live, let down in Abbeville, about
20
> mi ssw of Lafayette Regional and have someone take you to Shucks.
Everyone
> knows of it there. You will get the BEST oysters anywhere including
Nawlins.
> Shrimp and ALL seafoods are there too. You should plan an RON as this food
> MUST be washed with coooold beer. Call Piet builder Jim Cooper, he lives
> nearby and will probably join you.
> Corky in North La drooling about South Louisiana food
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com> |
I have a basic question about wheel size. When the wheel is 600 x 6, what
dimensions is that refering to? The 600 means a hub of 6.00 inches
diameter, right? And what is the other 6 for?
Robert Haines
Murphysboro, Illinois
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com> |
I have a basic question about wheel size. When the wheel is 600 x 6, what
dimensions is that referring to? The 600 means a hub of 6.00 inches
diameter, right? And what is the other 6 for? My guess is that is that the
width is 60% of the diameter. Anybody know for sure?
Robert Haines
Murphysboro, Illinois
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "james cooper" <blugoos1(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Ted Brousseau's trip Houston-Florida |
Ted Brousseau: Corky is absolutely right: Shuck's is the best oyster
place in the world. If you come through Abbeville, LA, please give me a
call at (337) 937-6116. We live not too far from the airport, and would
be glad to bring you to Shuck's. Jim Cooper
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "james cooper" <blugoos1(at)bellsouth.net> |
Does anyone know if Replicraft is still in business? They moved to
Florida. I called their website telephone numbers, but both have been
disconnected. We're trying to locate 4130 steel fittings for GN1 wing
struts. Thanks, Jim Cooper
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard(at)titan.com> |
| Subject: | FW: [flybabylist] Replicraft Update |
I just saw this on the Fly Baby list. I haven't checked it out. I guess it
answers some questions.
-----Original Message-----
From: ron(at)wanttaja.com [mailto:ron(at)wanttaja.com]
Subject: [flybabylist] Replicraft Update
Talked to Steve at Replicraft this evening. If you look on his web page,
they're now Eaps Aviation. He's been having some email and phone problems,
but I got right through at the new number listed on the web page:
(352) 476-3307
I suggest that those who are worried about their parts status give this
number a try. Sounds like the business is still a going concern; there were
a lot of changes due to a divorce and the ensuing problems when a company is
jointly owned.
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| From: | "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com> |
6 X 6 indicates a wheel 6" in diameter and 6" width between the inside
of the flanges where the tire beads sit. Ed G
>From: "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: wheel size
>Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:16:12 -0600
>
>
>
>I have a basic question about wheel size. When the wheel is 600 x 6, what
>dimensions is that refering to? The 600 means a hub of 6.00 inches
>diameter, right? And what is the other 6 for?
>
>Robert Haines
>Murphysboro, Illinois
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com> |
I replied earlier but it didn't go through, you may get two replies.
Anyhow 6.00 x 6 is a tire size for a tire that is six inches wide and fits
on a six inch diameter rim. A 6 X 6 wheel is six inches in diameter and six
inches across the width inside the flanges where the tire beads sit. hope
this helps Ed G.
>From: "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: wheel size
>Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:18:35 -0600
>
>
>
>I have a basic question about wheel size. When the wheel is 600 x 6, what
>dimensions is that referring to? The 600 means a hub of 6.00 inches
>diameter, right? And what is the other 6 for? My guess is that is that
>the
>width is 60% of the diameter. Anybody know for sure?
>
>Robert Haines
>Murphysboro, Illinois
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks for the replies, on a 600 x 6 wheel, the width of the rim is 6.00"
with a hub diameter of 6".
Has anyone used go-cart or lawn tractor tires and hubs? I've got my
Northern Tool & Equipment catalog and they have a selection that makes me
consider. I've heard some say to use a ATV wheels and they are available as
well. Although, most are rated for lower speeds and under 400lbs. There is
also a selection of trailer axles and hubs that would surely work but
obviously are much heavier.
Does anyone have a feel for the minimum axle diameter (which, of course,
would dictate load and speed ratings).
Robert Haines
Murphysboro, Illinois
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
Pieters,
Has anyone ever heard of modifing the subject airplane by constructing the
fuse with wood? Just curious
Corky in La where the weather couldn't be better and the food's not bad
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "james cooper" <blugoos1(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | replicraft update |
Thanks, Ron for the Replicraft update. I called the number you gave
(352/476-3307) and left a message on Steve's voice mail. I'll probably
get an answer shortly. Thanks, Jim Cooper
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: replicraft update |
Jim,
Sounds like you are at it. Give me a quick run down on your progress. Also,
if you need parts let me know and I'll check with Mr. Harvey at Lucein.
Corky up in North La where nothing really happens.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "james cooper" <blugoos1(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Replicraft update |
Eugene: Appreciate your rapid response to my request about Replicraft.
Thanks, Jim Cooper
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kent Hallsten <KHallsten(at)Governair.com> |
I was at Home Depot the other day, buying studs and plywood for my benches,
and noticed stacks of "white wood". That's what the label said. I
naturally did not ask anyone what it really is, but when I looked up this
site at home,
http://www.americansoftwoods.com/guide.html ,
under Western Hemlock they mention it is classified as a white wood. Does
anyone know if this Home Depot wood could be Western Hemlock? Or are lots
of species called "white wood"? I know Western Hemlock can be substituted
for Spruce, and wonder if this stuff is OK?
Any thoughts?
Kent
Building benches and buying tools
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Warren D. Shoun" <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wood Question |
Kent,
I know this will sound weird, but Western Hemlock has a unique odor....it
smells like urine...really. Especially if it is a bit green, which most of the
Home Depot stuff is. Western Hemlock is a great substitute for Sitka Spruce.
Only marginally denser and a bit stronger. Do be sure and use vertical grain
with not less than 8 rings to the inch and little or no runout or twist in the
grain in the length.
Cheers,
~Warren
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Wood Question |
In a message dated 11/15/01 10:21:27 AM Pacific Standard Time,
KHallsten(at)Governair.com writes:
> I was at Home Depot the other day, buying studs and plywood for my benches,
> and noticed stacks of "white wood". That's what the label said. I
> naturally did not ask anyone what it really is, but when I looked up this
> site at home,
>
> http://www.americansoftwoods.com/guide.html ,
>
> under Western Hemlock they mention it is classified as a white wood. Does
> anyone know if this Home Depot wood could be Western Hemlock? Or are lots
> of species called "white wood"? I know Western Hemlock can be
> substituted
> for Spruce, and wonder if this stuff is OK?
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Kent
> Building benches and buying tools
>
>
>
Kent,
White wood, in this area, usually refers to spruce, pine , or fir. I grew up
in Oregon and know the wood types well and actually use douglas fir or spruce
2x4's for almost all of the Piets I build even the longerons which I scarf.
I can almost allways find a clear board or two each time I visit the lumber
store. Hemlock is sometimes called hemfir which refers to hemlock or fir, it
could also be classed as white wood. Fir and hemlock are yellowish as
compared to pine for spruce. Hemlock tends to not have as much clear wood or
tight grain as fir, but is very good if you can find it. I have also seen it
at Home Depot. Home Depot also has some very good tongue and groove fir
flooring which is 3/4 inch thick.
Doug Bryant
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
>
>I never got mine, but to be fair, the check was never cashed either.
>
>> Mike Bell,
>>
>> Are you still monitoring this list. This is John Fay from Peoria.
>> Contact me please at jefay(at)juno.com
>>
>> Did some of you guys get your reprints of the old BPAN newsletters from
>> Mike.
>>
>> John Fay in Peoria, IL.
John,
I got my reprints from mike a long time ago, within weeks of when I sent my
check. If you have not heard from him & want to try to contact him
directly, it's possible I have his address saved somewhere.
Kip Gardner
Kip, Beth and Hannah Gardner
426 Schneider St. SE
North Canton, OH 44720
(330) 494-1775
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan) |
Hello Robert: ( I've been gone for a while, but back now) I'm using the
Hegar external disc brake kit from ACS. P/N WBK01. It has 3/4 axels
which are plenty strong for the Piet. I talked to the "Horses mouth"
about that 400lb rating and she said that was the brake hold rating. Not
what Clevelands will hold, but better than what BHP originally had.
Hager also makes great accessories. They offer a beautiful heel master
cyl. which I'm using.
I custom ordered ATV 4 wheeler wheels (8 by 6 wide) with only the center
hole, and had my brother (a mechinest) drill the lug bolt hoes.
I've seen these ATV's shoot 20 ft. into the air and slam down hard
puting 5000 lbs or more on the wheels for an instant with no breakage.
The only draw back is cost. The big plus is weight savings. I wanted
the light weigt and so paid for it. My entire landing gear complete,
except bungee cords is 48 lbs. Aircraft tires tubes, wheels, breaks
alone will weigh in around 50-60 lbs alone. Speaking of bungee cords, If
you build the shock struts Cub style, insted of Piet style, you can
order Cub bungee cord rings which are much simpler to install and
replace and are cleaner looking than the Piet method. Saw this at
Brodhead on a couple of Piets. Wish I had thought of it before I built
my shock struts the secont time.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Allen" <GeorgeA(at)PAonline.com> |
Everybody, I just recieved this from Terry and it went to Aircraft
Spruce (Tim Kreider) also. This is going to save me a lot of time.
Thanks Terry.
>----- Original Message -----
>To: 'George Allen'
>Cc: Tim Kreider (E-mail)
>Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:50 AM
>Subject: RE: Piet wood
>Hope this helps guys!....
>If not be sure to let me know!
>Terry
>-----Original Message-----
>From: George Allen [mailto:GeorgeA(at)paonline.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:43 PM
>To: Morgan, Terry
>Subject: Piet wood
> Terry, are you still on the Piet' list? I was talking with Tim
Krieder at AS-S and he would still like to >have the wood list you made
up for the Piet.
> I would like to have it myself. Could you send me the spreadsheet
itself? The copy I have would only >open with a word processor and was
hard to make any sense out of it. I'd really appreciate it.
>Thanks,
>George Allen
>GeorgeA(at)PAonline.com
>(soon to be Peit'. builder)
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| From: | "oil can" <oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wood Question |
I'm building my airplane wings from Western Hemlock, and this wood isn't
white !
It's red, or better, light brown.
Western Hemlock looks a lot like fir, but their are no thin white long grain
lines between the red grain lines.
Also W. hemlock does not chip like fir, and the grain of fir is really
stright, where W.hemlock is sort of curvy..
I shop at Home Depot a lot, and often I see white wood for sale. Sometimes
it's marked, and usually the mark says spruce.
Though it could be pine.
If I were you, I would go into the specialty woods section where they sell
all kinds of the better quality boards.
Look at some hemlock, then decide what the white wood is.
If it were me, I would stay away from a generic white wood to build an
airplane.
Hemlock is good, as is fir, and both are available.
bob
>From: Kent Hallsten <KHallsten(at)Governair.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To: "'pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com'"
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Question
>Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:19:59 -0600
>
>
>
>I was at Home Depot the other day, buying studs and plywood for my benches,
>and noticed stacks of "white wood". That's what the label said. I
>naturally did not ask anyone what it really is, but when I looked up this
>site at home,
>
>http://www.americansoftwoods.com/guide.html ,
>
>under Western Hemlock they mention it is classified as a white wood. Does
>anyone know if this Home Depot wood could be Western Hemlock? Or are lots
>of species called "white wood"? I know Western Hemlock can be
>substituted
>for Spruce, and wonder if this stuff is OK?
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Kent
>Building benches and buying tools
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JEFFREY WILCOX <craigwilcox(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bakeing Duece |
On Thu, 15 November 2001, Isablcorky(at)aol.com wrote:
> Pieters,
> Has anyone ever heard of modifing the subject airplane by constructing the
> fuse with wood? Just curious
> Corky in La where the weather couldn't be better and the food's not bad
Corky -
No, I don't think so! Not a bad idea, either. Can't count the number of times
I burned myself welding. Of course, I can't count on the finger the table saw
got, either!
The Duce is pretty strong (+6, -4 G)with the steel tube fuselage, and not too heavy.
Most are weighing about 950 +/- empty weight - gross can be whatever you
think will get airborne and still stay within the CG limits. With the welded
cabane struts, there is no moving the center section to adjust CG.
It is a great airplane, lots of room, nice doors on the right side to ease that
entry and exit, and very nice in the air.
Just as you are planning that long trip in your Piet, I am planning to fly mine
to southern Brazil. With over 30 gal. of fuel, I can fly the Caribbean island
chain to Guiana, then follow the coast. About 4 days.
Are you thinking about trading your Piet for a Duce?
Craig
In sunny S. Florida, fighting the damyankee snowbirds for room on the highways
PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart.
http://www.peoplepc.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Bakeing Duece |
Craig,
I saw a pic of the Duece once and was attracted. Like the upper single wing,
open cockpit configuration. Just thought it would be nice to think of it as
an all wood bird like the Piet. Would be as strong if not stronger and I
would appreciate the extra room. That's my only objection to the Piet, too
crowded.
A few questions please:
How long is the fuse?
Wing span? Spar lengths of each panel? Would a round Cessna 150 gear be
applicable? And what engine is recomended? I have a Lyc 0 235 and Cont 0 200
available.
Corky in La just thinking about his next project
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kent Hallsten <KHallsten(at)Governair.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wood Question |
Bob or Doug,
If the white wood at my HD can be identified as Spruce or Hemlock,
as long as the grain, slope, and everything else are acceptable, is this
wood ok to use? I think I'll spend some time there this weekend looking it
over, and maybe I'll get over to the exotic/specialty wood store downtown
and see what they have.
Another question. When it comes to spars, is splicing acceptable
in order to get the right length?
Thanks guys!!
Kent
I'm building my airplane wings from Western Hemlock, and this wood isn't
white !
It's red, or better, light brown.
Western Hemlock looks a lot like fir, but their are no thin white long grain
lines between the red grain lines.
Also W. hemlock does not chip like fir, and the grain of fir is really
stright, where W.hemlock is sort of curvy..
I shop at Home Depot a lot, and often I see white wood for sale. Sometimes
it's marked, and usually the mark says spruce.
Though it could be pine.
If I were you, I would go into the specialty woods section where they sell
all kinds of the better quality boards.
Look at some hemlock, then decide what the white wood is.
If it were me, I would stay away from a generic white wood to build an
airplane.
Hemlock is good, as is fir, and both are available.
bob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jackphillips(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wood Question |
Kent, if you don't already have it I would recommend getting a copy of the
EAA's book "Aircraft Building Techniques - Wood". It has a lot of
information on how to select wood for aircraft use, as well as information
on good techniques for splicing and scarfing wood. It is about the third
most looked at book I have, right behind the Tont Bingelis series and AC
43.13
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kent Hallsten
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Question
Bob or Doug,
If the white wood at my HD can be identified as Spruce or Hemlock,
as long as the grain, slope, and everything else are acceptable, is this
wood ok to use? I think I'll spend some time there this weekend looking it
over, and maybe I'll get over to the exotic/specialty wood store downtown
and see what they have.
Another question. When it comes to spars, is splicing acceptable
in order to get the right length?
Thanks guys!!
Kent
I'm building my airplane wings from Western Hemlock, and this wood isn't
white !
It's red, or better, light brown.
Western Hemlock looks a lot like fir, but their are no thin white long grain
lines between the red grain lines.
Also W. hemlock does not chip like fir, and the grain of fir is really
stright, where W.hemlock is sort of curvy..
I shop at Home Depot a lot, and often I see white wood for sale. Sometimes
it's marked, and usually the mark says spruce.
Though it could be pine.
If I were you, I would go into the specialty woods section where they sell
all kinds of the better quality boards.
Look at some hemlock, then decide what the white wood is.
If it were me, I would stay away from a generic white wood to build an
airplane.
Hemlock is good, as is fir, and both are available.
bob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kent Hallsten <KHallsten(at)Governair.com> |
| Subject: | RE:Wood Question |
I've downloaded the AC43.13-1b and trying to print off a chapter every day
at work. Got the EAA wood book on order from Chris Bobka , the check goes
in the mail today! Waiting for my prints to get here.
My garage is looking better, got 4 shop lights up, WOW what a
difference with some light! I'm going to put more up! There aren't very
many outlets in my garage, (3) so figuring out where to put those power
strips and not blow breakers is fun. A shop vacuum is on the list too.
Picked up a brand new kerosene heater at a yard sale, $40.00, never been
used. That will be good this winter, and when summer comes along I have an
old window A/C unit that might or might not still work. The only problem is
no window to stick it in, and I have a brick veneer house. That sounds
like major work to me, and Joanne (my wife) said "you are not putting a
hole in my wall ! " I might try hanging it from the ceiling, and running a
vent for the hot air up to the attic. Any ideas?
On the tool side, I'm trying to tune up my new Sears tablesaw, and
it's a challenge. The blade is out of square with the miter gauge slot, and
despite what the manual claims, there does not seem to be a way to loosen
the motor and align the blade. A call to customer service is in order. The
table is 'almost' flat, I wish I could afford a better saw, but I need to
use some money for a band saw, which I'm still looking for. I think
anything but Sears. I have a Sears drill press, and not too impressed
with it either. But it should still be far more accurate than hand
drilling. I need to get a drill blank or some other straight rod in order
to check the runout.
Really looking forward to making some sawdust!
Kent
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kenneth Maynard" <ken(at)polarcomm.com> |
I think that the speed rating placed on tires refers to the constaint speed
and that should not be interpeted to mean that the tire will not hold up
under short time periods. Maximum landing speed or take off speed of a Piet
should be of short duration and not at all excessive.
ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wheel size
>
> Thanks for the replies, on a 600 x 6 wheel, the width of the rim is 6.00"
> with a hub diameter of 6".
>
> Has anyone used go-cart or lawn tractor tires and hubs? I've got my
> Northern Tool & Equipment catalog and they have a selection that makes me
> consider. I've heard some say to use a ATV wheels and they are available
as
> well. Although, most are rated for lower speeds and under 400lbs. There
is
> also a selection of trailer axles and hubs that would surely work but
> obviously are much heavier.
>
> Does anyone have a feel for the minimum axle diameter (which, of course,
> would dictate load and speed ratings).
>
> Robert Haines
> Murphysboro, Illinois
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower_99(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wood Question |
Reading this mail, a good option could be to use
Spruce for the structural parts (spars, longerons,
etc) and WH for the less structural parts.
Just a thought with safety in mind.
Saludos
Gary Gower
--- "Warren D. Shoun" wrote:
> Shoun"
>
> Kent,
> I know this will sound weird, but Western
> Hemlock has a unique odor....it
> smells like urine...really. Especially if it is a
> bit green, which most of the
> Home Depot stuff is. Western Hemlock is a great
> substitute for Sitka Spruce.
> Only marginally denser and a bit stronger. Do be
> sure and use vertical grain
> with not less than 8 rings to the inch and little or
> no runout or twist in the
> grain in the length.
> Cheers,
> ~Warren
>
>
>
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| From: | mboynton(at)excite.com |
| Subject: | Re: RE:Wood Question |
Kent,
I fought my table saw for years before finally taking it (pieces of it
anyway) to a machine shop to have it fixed. It was a 10 inch contractor's
saw and the blade was out of parallel with the miter slots. You might try
adjusting for parallel by adjusting the trunnions that the arbor runs in.
They mount to the underside of the saw table. This is assuming (I know, I
know...) that your saw is like the one I had.
I'm building my Piet from scratch (rough-cut lumber) and believe me, it may
seem like a hassle, but taking your saw apart and putting it back together
correctly will save you hours hours of frustration down the road.
Mark Boynton
>
> I've downloaded the AC43.13-1b and trying to print off a chapter every
day
> at work. Got the EAA wood book on order from Chris Bobka , the check
goes
> in the mail today! Waiting for my prints to get here.
>
> My garage is looking better, got 4 shop lights up, WOW what a
> difference with some light! I'm going to put more up! There aren't
very
> many outlets in my garage, (3) so figuring out where to put those power
> strips and not blow breakers is fun. A shop vacuum is on the list too.
> Picked up a brand new kerosene heater at a yard sale, $40.00, never been
> used. That will be good this winter, and when summer comes along I have
an
> old window A/C unit that might or might not still work. The only problem
is
> no window to stick it in, and I have a brick veneer house. That sounds
> like major work to me, and Joanne (my wife) said "you are not putting a
> hole in my wall ! " I might try hanging it from the ceiling, and running
a
> vent for the hot air up to the attic. Any ideas?
>
> On the tool side, I'm trying to tune up my new Sears tablesaw,
and
> it's a challenge. The blade is out of square with the miter gauge slot,
and
> despite what the manual claims, there does not seem to be a way to loosen
> the motor and align the blade. A call to customer service is in order.
The
> table is 'almost' flat, I wish I could afford a better saw, but I need
to
> use some money for a band saw, which I'm still looking for. I think
> anything but Sears. I have a Sears drill press, and not too impressed
> with it either. But it should still be far more accurate than hand
> drilling. I need to get a drill blank or some other straight rod in
order
> to check the runout.
>
> Really looking forward to making some sawdust!
>
> Kent
>
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| From: | Borodent(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RE:Western Aircraft Supply |
In a year old piet message Dave ( Dave and Connie) wrote about using Jean
Peters at Western Aircraft Supply in Calgary. I tried to locate this company
( I wanted to find someone Piet familar- that I could place an order for all
the nuts and bolts( and a few extra) for the Piet -- rather then going over
each dwg and trying to fiugure all the sizes myself.
Does anyone have info or tell no for this co,?
thanks Henry Williams- almost ready to start on controls
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| From: | del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE:Western Aircraft Supply |
I'm quite positive that he retired.
--- Borodent(at)aol.com wrote:
> Borodent(at)aol.com
>
> In a year old piet message Dave ( Dave and Connie)
> wrote about using Jean
> Peters at Western Aircraft Supply in Calgary. I
> tried to locate this company
> ( I wanted to find someone Piet familar- that I
> could place an order for all
> the nuts and bolts( and a few extra) for the Piet
> -- rather then going over
> each dwg and trying to fiugure all the sizes
> myself.
> Does anyone have info or tell no for this co,?
> thanks Henry Williams- almost ready to start on
> controls
>
>
>
> Month!
> Thank you for your
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| From: | Kent Hallsten <KHallsten(at)Governair.com> |
| Subject: | RE:Wood Question - saw tuneup |
Mark,
My saw must have changed after the manual was printed. The manual
shows 4 - 6 screws on the table top which are loosened to adjust the blade
alignment. My saw has no screws on top.
My saw is direct drive, so I can't adjust just the arbor, I think some how
you move the whole motor. And I see some thin shims between the motor and
the mount, so that could be the way it is adjusted.
Right now, marking 1 tooth and measuring at the rear, the blade is
about 1/32" closer to the miter slot than the same tooth when it's at the
front of the saw. This is the slot on the right side. And on the left
side, of course it's opposite, so the front is 1/32" closer to the slot than
the rear. It doesn't sound like much, but with the few pieces of scrap I
cut, I noticed binding.
And the top is something else. As a straight edge is run from the
rear to the front, and from side to side, all seems level. But if the
straight edge is held corner to corner, two opposite corners seem to dip
about 1/16". I'm still trying to figure out if that will be critical or
not, or if I'm even checking it the right way. I guess it's time to search
the archives on rec.woodworking.
Kent
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| Subject: | Re: Wood Question |
In a message dated 11/16/01 5:33:48 AM Pacific Standard Time,
KHallsten(at)Governair.com writes:
> Bob or Doug,
> If the white wood at my HD can be identified as Spruce or Hemlock,
> as long as the grain, slope, and everything else are acceptable, is this
> wood ok to use? I think I'll spend some time there this weekend looking it
> over, and maybe I'll get over to the exotic/specialty wood store downtown
> and see what they have.
>
> Another question. When it comes to spars, is splicing acceptable
> in order to get the right length?
> Thanks guys!!
>
>
Kent,
Spruce, Hemlock, and Fir from HD are all good woods and what I use. I have
the best luck finding 2x4's for some reason. I even choose boards that are
not totally clear for the shorter sticks and braces. It would be surprising
to me if anyone from HD could identify the wood; you should do that youself.
The Spruce from HD would be hard to identify between Sitka or Engleman.
There isn't much Sitka cut any more and what is harvested may not end up in a
lumber store. Engleman is not as strong, so I don't use it. Fir and Hemlock
would be good choices.
Scarfing is an acceptable method for joining wood together for length. It
does add a little more work to the project. I scarf longerons and spars. For
longerons, I have a simple method of sawing on the table saw wihout any
special tools. Spars are a little more work using the router. 12 to 1 to 15
to 1 makes a good scarf.; 10 to 1 is minimum.
Doug Bryant
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| From: | "Mac Zirges" <macz(at)netbridge.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wood Question |
Just a comment on wood--There is no reason not to use western hemlock if you
have good stuff available. Bernie used it and felt it was OK. There are
lots of species of wood that are as good as, or even better, than spruce.
Spruce was selected partly just because it came in very big trees with lots
of clean grain--although nowadays the Forest Service has given most of
what's left to big paper mills in Alaska to chip up to make cheap paper.
I often find hemlock in a form called "lath" in my lumberyard and it is
about 1/4' X 2" by long lengths--and often the grain doesn't run out of a 12
foot piece.
The main thing with whatever wood source you select is to test a few pieces
to insure that the specific pieces don't have stress fractures or other
flaws etc. in them.
Pietenpols forever! Mac in Oregon
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Gower <ggower_99(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Friday, November 16, 2001 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood Question
>
>Reading this mail, a good option could be to use
>Spruce for the structural parts (spars, longerons,
>etc) and WH for the less structural parts.
>
>Just a thought with safety in mind.
>
>Saludos
>Gary Gower
>
>
>--- "Warren D. Shoun" wrote:
>> Shoun"
>>
>> Kent,
>> I know this will sound weird, but Western
>> Hemlock has a unique odor....it
>> smells like urine...really. Especially if it is a
>> bit green, which most of the
>> Home Depot stuff is. Western Hemlock is a great
>> substitute for Sitka Spruce.
>> Only marginally denser and a bit stronger. Do be
>> sure and use vertical grain
>> with not less than 8 rings to the inch and little or
>> no runout or twist in the
>> grain in the length.
>> Cheers,
>> ~Warren
>>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jackphillips(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | RE:Wood Question |
On the tool side, I'm trying to tune up my new Sears tablesaw, and
it's a challenge. The blade is out of square with the miter gauge slot, and
despite what the manual claims, there does not seem to be a way to loosen
the motor and align the blade. A call to customer service is in order. The
table is 'almost' flat, I wish I could afford a better saw, but I need to
use some money for a band saw, which I'm still looking for. I think
anything but Sears. I have a Sears drill press, and not too impressed
with it either.
Hi Kent,
I've developed a new philosophy about Sears tools - I don't buy anything
from Sears that requires gasoline or electricity. I started out building my
Piet with a Sears table saw. Finally after ruining a bunch of expensive
aircraft grade spruce because the blade was not parallel to the miter slot,
I GAVE the damn thing away and bought a new Delta table saw. Man, what a
difference! Cutting wood with the Delta is almost a sexual experience, it
is so smooth. With the Sears saw, every time I set it up for a cut I had to
check the blade for squareness with the table and with the miter guage and
fence. After about the thousandth time of checking the Delta and never
having to adjust it, I no longer worry about it.
Sears still makes decent handtools, but their warrranties are changing. I
was trying to straighten an old Taylorcraft tailwheel spring to use on my
Pietenpol, per the method Tony Bingelis describes, and I broke my old
Craftsman vise. I took it back to Sears and they refused to replace it. I
demanded to see the manager and he agreed that 25 years ago when I bought
it, they had a lifetime warranty. Now they only offer a year. They
reluctantly replaced the vise, but I doubt it will last through another
tailwheel spring. It is nowhere near the quality of the old one.
As for the A/C, I suggest you point out to your wife how much less laundry
you will generate if you are not sweating out in the shop. Adding a window
should not be too big a deal if the studs are exposed, and it might actually
improve the resale value of the house.
Good luck,
JackPhillips
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| From: | "Jeffrey Wilcox" <craigwilcox(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bakeing Duece |
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bakeing Duece
>
> Craig,
> I saw a pic of the Duece once and was attracted. Like the upper single
wing,
> open cockpit configuration. Just thought it would be nice to think of it
as
> an all wood bird like the Piet. Would be as strong if not stronger and I
> would appreciate the extra room. That's my only objection to the Piet, too
> crowded.
> A few questions please:
> How long is the fuse?
21.5', spinner to tail lite
> Wing span?
30'6"
Spar lengths of each panel?
12' left and right, 4' center section
Would a round Cessna 150 gear be
> applicable?
Most use 120/140 flat gear, 600x6 wheels & tires
And what engine is recomended? I have a Lyc 0 235 and Cont 0 200
> available.
Most use O-290, O-320, but I know of several with the O-235. Matter of
fact, If I could raise the money, I'd buy yours!!!
> Corky in La just thinking about his next project
It is a great airplane!!!
Craig
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| Subject: | Re: RE:Wood Question |
In a message dated 11/16/01 1:53:11 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jackphillips(at)earthlink.net writes:
> >
>
>
> On the tool side, I'm trying to tune up my new Sears tablesaw, and
> it's a challenge. The blade is out of square with the miter gauge slot,
> and
> despite what the manual claims, there does not seem to be a way to loosen
> the motor and align the blade. A call to customer service is in order.
> The
> table is 'almost' flat, I wish I could afford a better saw, but I need to
> use some money for a band saw, which I'm still looking for. I think
> anything but Sears. I have a Sears drill press, and not too impressed
> with it either.
>
>
>
Jack,
I have a small Sears bandsaw which I will give you. It is useless to me. I
use a sabre saw for nearly all cuting of small stuff and plywood. It seems
to be faster for me and more reliable than the band saw. My table saw is 40
years old; I found it at a junk yard. It is an 8 inch Delta Homecraft, but
it is a well made and square tool. Doug Bryant
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| From: | lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan) |
There is an ad in the Sept Spt/av. which says "Western Ac supplies now
open at new location. Your source for milled kit and restoration wood
supplies etc. etc." I'd heard Jene Peters got someone to take over the
business. 250-355-0003 or fax 250-355-004 or e-mail at
aircraft(at)telus.net. Sounds like the outfit I bought my wood from. I
paid $1500 for my kit, but that was off set by not going the great
expense of buying a lot of tools. Also when
considering using cheaper alternate wood (heavier than spruce) go the
expense of lighter sitka for your tail feathers. Piets are notoriously
tail heavy. A few oz's saved at the end of that long moment arm will
multiply into pounds kept off the tail. Doug- I think I remember Steve
Eldredge saying that about the only power tool he used to build his Piet
was the saber saw. Leon S.
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| From: | "Bert Conoly" <bconoly(at)home.com> |
Ed.
Are you sure this is correct??. I have a set of 7.00 x 6 tires. The
diameter of the wheel opening is 6 inches BUT the width from bead to bead is
more like 4 1/4 inches. I also have a set of 8.00 x 4 cub tires/wheels.
the diameter is 4 inches - that makes sense but I dont think the width (bead
to bead ) is 8 inches - its more like 6 inches or so.
Could it be that the first number refers to some other parameter - not a
dimension?? Surely there's somebody on this group that can clear this up.
Thanks, (let me know if I'm way off base)Bert
>
>
> I replied earlier but it didn't go through, you may get two replies.
> Anyhow 6.00 x 6 is a tire size for a tire that is six inches wide and fits
> on a six inch diameter rim. A 6 X 6 wheel is six inches in diameter and
six
> inches across the width inside the flanges where the tire beads sit. hope
> this helps Ed G.
>
> >From: "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >To:
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: wheel size
> >Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:18:35 -0600
> >
> >
> >
> >I have a basic question about wheel size. When the wheel is 600 x 6,
what
> >dimensions is that referring to? The 600 means a hub of 6.00 inches
> >diameter, right? And what is the other 6 for? My guess is that is that
> >the
> >width is 60% of the diameter. Anybody know for sure?
> >
> >Robert Haines
> >Murphysboro, Illinois
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
I always thought that a 7:00 x 6 was a tire for a 6 inch wheel that added
another 7 inches to the radius. If this is the case, then the diameter of
the tire on the wheel would be 7 + 6 + 7 or 20 inches in Diameter.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
http://www.eaa.org for latest flying rules
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bert Conoly" <bconoly(at)home.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wheel size
Ed.
Are you sure this is correct??. I have a set of 7.00 x 6 tires. The
diameter of the wheel opening is 6 inches BUT the width from bead to bead is
more like 4 1/4 inches. I also have a set of 8.00 x 4 cub tires/wheels.
the diameter is 4 inches - that makes sense but I dont think the width (bead
to bead ) is 8 inches - its more like 6 inches or so.
Could it be that the first number refers to some other parameter - not a
dimension?? Surely there's somebody on this group that can clear this up.
Thanks, (let me know if I'm way off base)Bert
>
>
> I replied earlier but it didn't go through, you may get two replies.
> Anyhow 6.00 x 6 is a tire size for a tire that is six inches wide and fits
> on a six inch diameter rim. A 6 X 6 wheel is six inches in diameter and
six
> inches across the width inside the flanges where the tire beads sit. hope
> this helps Ed G.
>
> >From: "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >To:
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: wheel size
> >Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:18:35 -0600
> >
> >
> >
> >I have a basic question about wheel size. When the wheel is 600 x 6,
what
> >dimensions is that referring to? The 600 means a hub of 6.00 inches
> >diameter, right? And what is the other 6 for? My guess is that is that
> >the
> >width is 60% of the diameter. Anybody know for sure?
> >
> >Robert Haines
> >Murphysboro, Illinois
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Mike Bell" <mikebell(at)sc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 11/16/01 |
Fellow Pieters,
In the Southeast, the white wood at HD is white spruce or pine. All I've
found has been white spruce. I have gone for the bigger boards, 2x6, 2x8,
2x10. When you find a board with good grain, then start looking at how the
knots are arranged along the board. I managed to find a couple of pieces
that I could get all of my longerons out of with the rest going to shorter
pieces. It is amazing how much excellent wood you can get out of a 14 foot
2x10 that cost less than $15. I spent a lot of time ripping after I got it
home, but my wife greatly appreciated all of the sawdust for the garden
mulch pile.
Also, I got in touch with John Hoffman about his newsletter reprints and I
had a set left for him. Never got his check. There is also one more set
left, packaged and ready to mail. Earliest dated Email gets them for
whatever they cost before. I think it was about $35, but I'll have to look
in the archives unless someone remembers.
Mike in sunny SC
>
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| From: | "George Allen" <GeorgeA(at)PAonline.com> |
Bert,
For tires other than automotive, I believe what Ed G. said is correct.
1. For tires, the first # is the tire width and the second # is the diameter
rim it fits on.
2. For rims, the first # is the rim width and the second # is the rim
diameter.
Different width tires can fit on the same rim.
George Allen
GeorgeA(at)PAonline.com
(soon to be Peit'. builder)
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wheel size
> Ed.
> Are you sure this is correct??. I have a set of 7.00 x 6 tires. The
> diameter of the wheel opening is 6 inches BUT the width from bead to bead
is
> more like 4 1/4 inches. I also have a set of 8.00 x 4 cub tires/wheels.
> the diameter is 4 inches - that makes sense but I dont think the width
(bead
> to bead ) is 8 inches - its more like 6 inches or so.
> Could it be that the first number refers to some other parameter - not a
> dimension?? Surely there's somebody on this group that can clear this up.
> Thanks, (let me know if I'm way off base)Bert
>
> > I replied earlier but it didn't go through, you may get two replies.
> > Anyhow 6.00 x 6 is a tire size for a tire that is six inches wide and
fits
> > on a six inch diameter rim. A 6 X 6 wheel is six inches in diameter and
> six
> > inches across the width inside the flanges where the tire beads sit.
hope
> > this helps Ed G.
> > >From: "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com>
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| From: | "K. and J. Hallsten" <hallstenokc(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | re: wood Question - saw tuneup |
I called the customer service at Sears about the saw's blade
alignment, and they are sending shims and instructions. As for the
slight slope at the corners of the table, I don't think it matters, I
see most of my cutting being done in the center of the table. I do want
to get a better sliding mitre gage, but Sears uses a 5/8" slot, and
everyone else uses 3/4"!
I chucked a drill in the bench drill press and measured the runout
just below the chuck. As I turned the pulley the dial indicator went
from -.001 to +.001 So .002" is fine for me, does anyone know if that
is acceptable? I think for Sears quality it is. I know I'll need to
measure each bolt and hole to get the snuggest fit.
Went to HD last night and bought a mess of spring clamps for .97
each, and some other doo-dads I'll need. When I went to look at the
'white wood' the markings for the species said S-P-F. Is that mark mean
it's spruce, pine, or fir? I could not find any douglas fir except for
handrail banisters, (HEAVY) and all the 2x wood was SYP, Southern Yellow
Pine. So I'll keep looking, maybe at Loew's today.
Kent
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| From: | del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: re: wood Question - saw tuneup |
I have a device that I made that I call a sliding
table. I used a 1/8 inch plex about 2ft square.
mounted two wood strips underneath that fit into both
miter slots on your table, centering the plex on the
blade. now turn on the saw and push the sliding table
into the saw about 2/3 to 3/4 of the way thru the
plex, don't cut too far as it will weaken the sliding
table too much. now mount a fence on top of the
sliding table square to the blade at the end of the
cut that you already have made. now you have a fixture
for cutting very small parts very accurately and
safely, and if you affix a stop on the fence, you can
cut many parts precisely the same length (plus or
minus .003) great for gussets. of course do this only
after you align your blade to the mitre slots. you
could also make another with a swinging fence for
angled cuts. use only better quality carbide blades.
about $30 - $50 bucks.
Del
--- "K. and J. Hallsten" wrote:
> Hallsten"
>
> I called the customer service at Sears about the
> saw's blade
> alignment, and they are sending shims and
> instructions. As for the
> slight slope at the corners of the table, I don't
> think it matters, I
> see most of my cutting being done in the center of
> the table. I do want
> to get a better sliding mitre gage, but Sears uses a
> 5/8" slot, and
> everyone else uses 3/4"!
>
> I chucked a drill in the bench drill press and
> measured the runout
> just below the chuck. As I turned the pulley the
> dial indicator went
> from -.001 to +.001 So .002" is fine for me, does
> anyone know if that
> is acceptable? I think for Sears quality it is. I
> know I'll need to
> measure each bolt and hole to get the snuggest fit.
>
> Went to HD last night and bought a mess of
> spring clamps for .97
> each, and some other doo-dads I'll need. When I went
> to look at the
> 'white wood' the markings for the species said
> S-P-F. Is that mark mean
> it's spruce, pine, or fir? I could not find any
> douglas fir except for
> handrail banisters, (HEAVY) and all the 2x wood was
> SYP, Southern Yellow
> Pine. So I'll keep looking, maybe at Loew's today.
>
> Kent
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| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | woods and woodworking |
Hello, low 'n' slow fliers (except Corky, up there on oxygen);
My experience has been pretty much the same as what the other comments have
been. I started out with the EAA "Wood Book" and the AC information on
selection and application of various woods, plus the outstanding series of
articles in Sport Aviation last year. I think Ron Alexander wrote them.
Anyway, that series of articles is like a compilation of 'dos and donts'
from the other sources, but includes excellent illustrations that make it
very clear what to look for as far as pitch pockets, brashness, grain slope,
all of that. I would highly recommend that series of articles to anybody
building with wood.
In my area (up here with "Mac in Oregon") I can walk into a building supply
and find long, straight, clear Douglas fir or "hem fir" (hemlock), along
with some decent pine, anytime. But what I've found is that if I can go to
one of the places that salvages building materials from demolished
buildings, I can find some truly fine stuff. In the old days when they
built using rough-sawn dimension lumber for framing, they used some really
prime stuff up here because it was so easy to get. So I can buy a long,
rough, old (as in cured and dried) beam, rafter, joist, or other framing
member and plane the rough faces off and square it up in the jointer to see
what I've got. From that, I can rip or plane some really nice stuff. Cost
is just unbelievably cheap. Now I'm talking about Douglas fir, so you guys
who don't care to work with fir- sorry. But as mentioned above- it is also
common to find good hemlock and red fir at prices just a bit more than rough
framing lumber. I simply cannot justify buying aircraft spruce when I can
buy lumber with equal or better strength and meeting all the aircraft wood
grading standards, for a fraction of the cost. Sure, I need a planer and a
table saw to get it into shape, and I have to grade around nail holes and
knots sometimes, but I can buy all the dimension lumber needed for a
Pietenpol -spars included- for probably $250. Less than that or even free,
if I scrounge it from somebody who's tearing down a building. And there are
perfectly acceptable methods of scarfing wood members, both structural and
non-structural, so the search for seamless long spar material doesn't have
to burrow deep into your savings. Use the right structural glue, the right
jointing methods, the right clamps and tools, and you have very airworthy
structures. It isn't rocket science... and it smells a lot better than that
nasty old welding smoke and carborundum dust ;o)
The prototype M-19 "Flying Squirrel" was built using sassafras for the wood
structure. Look in the old AC wood books and you might find it; perfectly
satisfactory. Are these "alternate woods" somehow questionable or
unsuitable for aircraft use? No, not necessarily. The reason every wood
isn't listed in the AC manuals is that they are only concerned with the most
widely used, easily graded, and most available. There are regional or
scarcer woods that are very suitable for our needs, but they take a little
more investigation to find or to apply. When you're faced with spending
several thousand dollars for a smallish bundle of wood, you start scratching
your head wondering why you can't use something a little more reasonable.
You can... provided it gives you the same strength as the select aircraft
lumber.
As far as tools, the table saw is -to me- essential. It makes so many tasks
so easy! And yes, nothing is quite as maddening as setting up a saw and
passing a piece of wood first one side then flipping it over to the other,
and finding you now have a tapered piece of wood. It _has_ to be square or
you'll be frustrating your every attempt to build a square and straight
ship. If you can't afford a table saw, or don't have room for one, hook up
with a buddy who does (or someone in your EAA chapter or craft guild).
That's what I did.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, Oregon
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Jeff Hill" <jeff2dogs(at)hotmail.com> |
Regarding white wood: At Home Depot, their white wood I believe is
actually poplar and usually has a green tinge to it. Their pine is labelled
SPF for spruce-pine-fir because for the Home Depot shopper, there isn't much
difference and the wood could be any of those three. (Pine, though, does not
have those small pin knots like spruce does).
I got all of my wood at Aircraft Spruce. Yes, it is more expensive, but
they have already graded it and cut it perfectly to the dimensions that I
wanted. That saved me a lot of time and hassle, so it was worth the money.
Jeff in Texas just back from visiting
hometown Toronto....what a great city
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | wood question- saw tuneup |
del magsam wrote :
>I used a 1/8 inch plex about 2ft square.
Dumb question here, Del. You say 'plex'. Do you mean "plexiglas", or is
'plex' something else that I am not familiar with? This sounds like a great
accessory. I have been cutting my small pieces with a chop saw, but even
that gets a bit dicey when the pieces are small and the cut is angled. Your
sliding table would make it easy to do small pieces.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, Oregon
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: wood question- saw tuneup |
--- Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> del magsam wrote :
>
> >I used a 1/8 inch plex about 2ft square.
>
> Dumb question here, Del. You say 'plex'. Do you
> mean "plexiglas", or is
> 'plex' something else that I am not familiar with?
> This sounds like a great
> accessory. I have been cutting my small pieces with
> a chop saw, but even
> that gets a bit dicey when the pieces are small and
> the cut is angled. Your
> sliding table would make it easy to do small pieces.
>
Sorry, plexiglass it is, there are other materials
that work also, also the thickness is not critical. I
wouldn't be without mine.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lou Larsen" <pietlars(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wood Question |
Concerning "whitewood"; about 5 years ago, when I was scouting sources of
alternatives ot sitka spruce for my Piet, I happened to meet a wholesale
lumber salesman at a lumber yard. In the conversation, I asked about
whitewood and he said that there were at least 28 different softwood species
that could be called white wood.
I wound up using douglas fir for all of the structurally significant parts
of the Piet. I have a book called "Understanding Wood", a craftsman's guide
to wood technology by R. Bruce Hoadley, which is an excellent source of
information. It has a Table-- Strength properties of commercially important
woods found in the US which lists some 50 species of soft and hard woods.
The properties included include: compression, tension, shear and static
bending. I would reccomend this book highly to get an understanding of wood
technology.
It notes that wood from the same tree can vary in its properties, so one has
to evaluate each piece separately.
I did not find that Home Depot was a very good source of clear stock. I
found that 2" dimension lumber was the most useful size and I found that
going to lumber yards that cater to the professional trade are apt to
carrystocks of clear trim stock, i.e. clear, (free from knots,checks and
wanes) and straight. After selecting a number of suitable pieces, I
"hefted" them and found the lightest ones. When I got them home, I weighed
them and computed the densities. One has to remember that the densities
usually refered to are nominal, relative to the specific gravity of water.
The nominal density of spruce is given as 0.4 which equates to about 25
lbs/cu ft. The nominal density of doug fir is given as 0.48 or 30 lbs/cu ft.
I found that my fir sticks ranged from about 25.5 to 29 lbs/cu ft. My
thought is that you can get satisfactory wood by careful selection based on
a little knowledge of what you are looking for. I paid from $1.28 to $1.44
per lineal foot of 2x4 stock.
When I made my laminated spars I color coded the strips from each 2x4 and us
ed the lightest ones in the center of the spar and the heavier ones on the
out side to get a beam effect. (made the spars 3/4"). My thoughts are that
you can be overcritical in selecting the material for structural pieces and
that BHP built a big safety factor into his design. Larry Harrison made his
whole Piet out of wood from a poplar tree and hes got a super performing
airplane.
Wishing all hands a Happy Thanksgiving.
Lou Larsen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Hallsten" <KHallsten(at)Governair.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Question
>
> I was at Home Depot the other day, buying studs and plywood for my
benches,
> and noticed stacks of "white wood". That's what the label said. I
> naturally did not ask anyone what it really is, but when I looked up this
> site at home,
>
> http://www.americansoftwoods.com/guide.html ,
>
> under Western Hemlock they mention it is classified as a white wood. Does
> anyone know if this Home Depot wood could be Western Hemlock? Or are
lots
> of species called "white wood"? I know Western Hemlock can be
substituted
> for Spruce, and wonder if this stuff is OK?
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Kent
> Building benches and buying tools
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Patcoolnet(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | spring loaded landing gear |
Has anyone built and used spring loaded landing gear? If so I would like
details on part numbers, manufacturer, and contact information.
I have corressponded with Alan Swanson about his, but his plane isn't flying
yet so there is no feedback. (His springs H56 by Lamina from Precision Punch
and Plastics Co, in Minnetonka, MN.)
If anyone has used this or similar gear, your opinion/advise/help would be
very much appreciated.
Thanks
Frank Cooley in WA State
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com> |
I was working in the garage and was thinking about the cost of
streamlined struts and wondered what would be the horsepower penalty
for going with round struts. So after about an hour looking through
my Fluid Dynamics book, of which I haven't looked at in 10 years, I
calculated the drag. My assumptions were 100mph at standard pressure
and temperature (half the battle was figuring out the density of air)
of a 1" diameter tube and got about 0.15 horsepower per foot of
length. The coefficient of drag for a eliptical tube, which is close
to a streamlined tube, was about 1/3 of that.
The sort-of Pietenpol-like aircraft that I'm working on has 25' of
tube and would take almost 4 HP to push a round tube through the air.
The streamlined tube would save about 2 or 3 horsepower.
Just thought y'all would be interested and please don't hold me to the
calculations.
Robert Haines
Murphysboro, Illinois
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
Typical '20s era aircraft used a round tube with a piece of wood cut in a
wedge shape with the small side of the wedge triangle routed out to fit the
tube. then a sock of fabric was made, turned inside out, slid over the
painted tube and varnished wood, shrunk, doped and painted and the assembly
was good to go. I even think the Spirit of St Louis was done this way. It
seems to be the inspiration for Mr. Pietenpol.
That is the way I will do mine someday.
Chris Bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: tube drag
>
> I was working in the garage and was thinking about the cost of
> streamlined struts and wondered what would be the horsepower penalty
> for going with round struts. So after about an hour looking through
> my Fluid Dynamics book, of which I haven't looked at in 10 years, I
> calculated the drag. My assumptions were 100mph at standard pressure
> and temperature (half the battle was figuring out the density of air)
> of a 1" diameter tube and got about 0.15 horsepower per foot of
> length. The coefficient of drag for a eliptical tube, which is close
> to a streamlined tube, was about 1/3 of that.
>
> The sort-of Pietenpol-like aircraft that I'm working on has 25' of
> tube and would take almost 4 HP to push a round tube through the air.
> The streamlined tube would save about 2 or 3 horsepower.
>
> Just thought y'all would be interested and please don't hold me to the
> calculations.
>
> Robert Haines
> Murphysboro, Illinois
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
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| From: | lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan) |
I agree with Jeff in Tx. After hearing all the things over again that
you need to know to select your own wood, I realize that besides saving
a ton of money on tools, I saved a ton of money in education time. It
was so nice to simply open the box and start gluing. I have no problem
with a man trying to save money where ever he can, but remember Fir etc.
though stronger is heavier. A real problem especially if you are using
the Ford A. A builder in this area built a basic "to the plans" piet
hoping to come in at around 625 lbs., but found his finished weight to
be closer to (i believe he said) 660 lbs. A high hp. engine also is not
the answer to an over weight plane. If it's heavy it just won't fly
right. Lou Larsen spoke of a Piet built out of Poplar that flew
exceptionally well. If this is the "Poplar Piet" that was in one of the
last news letters, it weighed in at a slim 605 lbs. and there is the
reason it flew so well. Poplar piet used a GM. engine rather than the
Ford A. I'd wager the GM. accounted for a lot of that weight savings.
Leon S. In Ks. feeling the Canadian cold.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
"Robert Haines" wrote:
>I was working in the garage and was thinking about the cost
>of streamlined struts
>The streamlined tube would save about 2 or 3 horsepower.
I did the same sort of thinking. Streamline tubing is expensive, and is
more difficult than round tubing to fit at the ends. So... you wanna cheat?
There is another alternative, but it isn't "real Pietenpol"... it's
something the ultralight guys use. Slip-on plastic streamline tube fairing;
see it at http://streamline.8k.com
One guy I know got a boost of 7-10 MPH after installing these on his
Challenger. It is a lot more affordable than steel streamline tubing,
simpler and easier to install than the taped-shaped-wood "old timey" method.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, Oregon
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Round Tubing drag |
I did the calcs for a 1" diameter tube of which had a Cd (Coefficient of
drag) of 1.2 which gave a result of 0.15 HP per foot length. That
answer could be linearly scaled up or down, within reason, with the
diameter. That answer could also be linearly scaled with the Cd. A 2"
tube would then result in 0.30 HP per foot, or a 1" (projected
dimension) elliptical tube with a Cd of 0.6 would then result in 0.08 HP
per foot length. This comes in handy for different size and shape strut
tubes as long as you know the Cd for the different shape.
Robert Haines
Murphysboro, Illinois
----- Original Message -----
From: Bert Conoly
To: robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 11:07 PM
Subject: Round Tubing drag
Robert:
Nice observation here. Obviously you're an engineer... (who else
would have old dusty Fluid Dynamics books laying around) I've wondered,
too, about the justification for expensive wing struts. I may dig
around for my old FD book and re-consider this issue myself.
Thanks, bert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 11/18/01 |
Oscar, et. al.,
I did roughly the same thing but used a 1/4" piece of plywood.
I did not make it a "miter box" like the one Del built. My $150 SEARS (yes,
it's somewhat junky) table saw has a slight gap under the fence and I found
I could wedge a 1/4" sheet under it and the fence would hold it when clamped
down. So I just had a scrap piece, about 10" x 10", laid it on the saw,
positioned the fence, and ran the running saw up through the plywood. This
is how it works for the "zero tolerance" inserts that more expensive saws
have. With the support right up against the blade, I was able to rip 1/4"
capstrips very nicely with this.
Robert Haines
Murphysboro, Illinois
> From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood question- saw tuneup
>
>
> del magsam wrote :
>
> >I used a 1/8 inch plex about 2ft square.
>
> Dumb question here, Del. You say 'plex'. Do you mean "plexiglas", or is
> 'plex' something else that I am not familiar with? This sounds like a
great
> accessory. I have been cutting my small pieces with a chop saw, but even
> that gets a bit dicey when the pieces are small and the cut is angled.
Your
> sliding table would make it easy to do small pieces.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, Oregon
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Warren D. Shoun" <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
Take a look at
http://www.sky-tek/struts.html
for an alternative. Then do get some compression and extension figures on this
thick wall 6061-T6 material. And if you feel you need belts and suspenders, use
some square steel tubing thru the center.
Cheers,
~Warren.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Warren D. Shoun" <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
make that
http://www.sky-tek.com/struts.html
"Warren D. Shoun" wrote:
>
> Take a look at
> http://www.sky-tek/struts.html
> for an alternative. Then do get some compression and extension figures on this
> thick wall 6061-T6 material. And if you feel you need belts and suspenders,
use
> some square steel tubing thru the center.
> Cheers,
> ~Warren.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
Your URL http://www.sky-tek/struts.html
is missing ".com" so it should read http://www.sky-tek.com/struts.html to
work.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
http://www.eaa.org for latest flying rules
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Warren D. Shoun" <wbnb(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tube drag
Take a look at
http://www.sky-tek/struts.html
for an alternative. Then do get some compression and extension figures on
this
thick wall 6061-T6 material. And if you feel you need belts and suspenders,
use
some square steel tubing thru the center.
Cheers,
~Warren.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Warren D. Shoun" <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
For another alternative
take a look at
http://members.aol.com/bpanews/strut.html
Cheers,
~Warren
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 11/18/01 7:11:02 PM Pacific Standard Time,
robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com writes:
> I was working in the garage and was thinking about the cost of
> streamlined struts and wondered what would be the horsepower penalty
> for going with round struts. So after about an hour looking through
> my Fluid Dynamics book, of which I haven't looked at in 10 years, I
> calculated the drag. My assumptions were 100mph at standard pressure
> and temperature (half the battle was figuring out the density of air)
> of a 1" diameter tube and got about 0.15 horsepower per foot of
> length. The coefficient of drag for a eliptical tube, which is close
> to a streamlined tube, was about 1/3 of that.
>
> The sort-of Pietenpol-like aircraft that I'm working on has 25' of
> tube and would take almost 4 HP to push a round tube through the air.
> The streamlined tube would save about 2 or 3 horsepower.
>
> Just thought y'all would be interested and please don't hold me to the
> calculations.
>
> Robert Haines
> Murphysboro, Illinois
>
>
>
Robert,
I used 1 1/4 dia x .049 wall round tubing and skip welded a steel V shaped
trailing edge to it. 102 hours on the ship now without jury struts; works
great. I got this idea from a Buckeye Pietenpol Newsletter years ago.
Doug Bryant
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hofmann" <jhofmann(at)netwurx.net> |
For those not familiar: There was an AD issued a few years back requiring
inspection/modification/replacement of Piper lift struts with cut thread
strut forks to the new rolled thread type of strut fork to a sealed strut
and a bunch of mumbo jumbo. Consequently there are a ton of old lift struts
unusable in the massive Piper fleet but great for the Piet builder. Just cut
off the ends and voila, one has a perfect lift strut. J3, J4, J5, PA12, PA18
struts will work the best. Remember these are junk in the Piper line so they
should be available for next to nothing. I always seem to find someone with
a pair of these around the hanger just collecting dust.
I posted a link here for a pdf version of the AD if anyone cares. Just
getting my website back up for business and going to make a hopefully
welcome announcement to this list later in the day.
http://www.johnnyskyrocket.com/liftstruts/99_01_05.pdf
my $0.02
-john-
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wood Question |
An idea that I had about using Home Depot wood is to generate a laminated
spar. I like the idea of laminating strips as opposed to trusting a single
piece of wood, especially one that is not sawn, dried, and selected as
aircraft quality.
Very much like you would laminate several boards to make a tabletop, I would
consider several strips of 3/4" x 3/4" glued together to make a single board
of 3/4" x whatever and stagger them at the ends to make a really long board.
I would even consider using one of those special router bits that increase
the gluing area, like a tounge-and-groove or a finger joint. For glue, I
would be comfortable with Titebond II... darn good glue.
Now for the curve ball: Like an I-beam, which increases it's moment of
inertia (which directly affects bending resistance) by adding a flange at
the top and bottom separated by a center web, I would consider mixing wood
species. Imagine if you used a few strips of a lighter but weaker wood in
the center of the beam and capped that with a strong yet heavier wood. This
method may provide an optomized board, increasing strength and minimizing
weight.
Just some thoughts to keep conversation going.
Robert Haines
Murphysboro, Illinois
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walter evans" <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
John,
Thats exactly how I got mine. Go into any of the old hangers that have roof
rafters and look up. or in a back room somewhere. These are one of those
things that when people take them off, they never throw away. They always
stash them somewhere.
The Piet struts are very much shorter that the Piper etc. struts and when I
cut off my ends , they were still black and oilly inside.
walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hofmann" <jhofmann(at)netwurx.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tube drag
>
> For those not familiar: There was an AD issued a few years back requiring
> inspection/modification/replacement of Piper lift struts with cut thread
> strut forks to the new rolled thread type of strut fork to a sealed strut
> and a bunch of mumbo jumbo. Consequently there are a ton of old lift
struts
> unusable in the massive Piper fleet but great for the Piet builder. Just
cut
> off the ends and voila, one has a perfect lift strut. J3, J4, J5, PA12,
PA18
> struts will work the best. Remember these are junk in the Piper line so
they
> should be available for next to nothing. I always seem to find someone
with
> a pair of these around the hanger just collecting dust.
>
> I posted a link here for a pdf version of the AD if anyone cares. Just
> getting my website back up for business and going to make a hopefully
> welcome announcement to this list later in the day.
>
> http://www.johnnyskyrocket.com/liftstruts/99_01_05.pdf
>
> my $0.02
> -john-
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hofmann" <jhofmann(at)netwurx.net> |
Excellent Walt!
I want to emphasize these are plentiful. I know I will feel more at ease
loading a piece of proven steel in tension more than I would loading that
same piece in aluminum. That is just my preference of course. This is just
one way to save the builders, time, cost and piece mind. Even the bent ones
can often be used, depending on the location of the dent or bend.
TakeCare,
-john-
>
> John,
> Thats exactly how I got mine. Go into any of the old hangers that have
roof
> rafters and look up. or in a back room somewhere. These are one of those
> things that when people take them off, they never throw away. They always
> stash them somewhere.
> The Piet struts are very much shorter that the Piper etc. struts and when
I
> cut off my ends , they were still black and oilly inside.
> walt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hofmann" <jhofmann(at)netwurx.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tube drag
>
>
>
> >
> > For those not familiar: There was an AD issued a few years back
requiring
> > inspection/modification/replacement of Piper lift struts with cut thread
> > strut forks to the new rolled thread type of strut fork to a sealed
strut
> > and a bunch of mumbo jumbo. Consequently there are a ton of old lift
> struts
> > unusable in the massive Piper fleet but great for the Piet builder. Just
> cut
> > off the ends and voila, one has a perfect lift strut. J3, J4, J5, PA12,
> PA18
> > struts will work the best. Remember these are junk in the Piper line so
> they
> > should be available for next to nothing. I always seem to find someone
> with
> > a pair of these around the hanger just collecting dust.
> >
> > I posted a link here for a pdf version of the AD if anyone cares. Just
> > getting my website back up for business and going to make a hopefully
> > welcome announcement to this list later in the day.
> >
> > http://www.johnnyskyrocket.com/liftstruts/99_01_05.pdf
> >
> > my $0.02
> > -john-
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hofmann" <jhofmann(at)netwurx.net> |
| Subject: | General Piet Stuff - windy letter follows.... |
Hi All,
Mike Bell got a hold of me and I am getting another set of Pietenpol
Newsletters. That leads me to item:
1. Awhile back I volunteered to digitize these old newsletters and publish
them on a CD for non-profit use. I have been unable to do this because of
no newsletters. Now that I am getting a set, that project will be started in
the near future. I will be scanning, and converting to searchable PDF format
and probably redrawing illustrations so they can be printed and scaled with
new fangled programs of the day. This will be a labor of love, lust,
passion - what have you. Besides, I am a pathetic, lonely, divorced guy with
a bit of time on my hands about to endure another Wisconsin winter. If you
have something to add or something you would like to see let me know
including video clips, soundbytes, builder photos, etc. We can make this a
group effort and something with which to really have fun.
2. I like airplane shirts and s&
t like that. Over the last few years I have
noticed most shirts, hats and the like seemed to have been designed by
people stuck about 1972, with a doobie in their mouth and a blindfold over
their eyes. I walked the Oshkosh grounds looking for acceptable items of
clothing. Two years in a row have netted me nada, zip and zero. Mesh hats!?,
Tie Died shirts?! If I see on more shirt with a P51 shooting flames out of
its wings I think I may puke. In my opinion good aviation clothing should be
subtle and now shout I AM A GEEK WEIRDO.
The Oshkosh weather was cool a couple of mornings and I was wearing a
sweatshirt I had picked up several years ago. I had four or five women ask
me where I got it. It is a subtle Curtiss art deco ad which many have seen
on the from of a white sweatshirt. This got me thinking. The only way I was
going to get the items I want to wear is to create them myself. There are
many logos from the past that are really well done and nice conversation
pieces. So I have partnered with a company to produce the aviation logos I
am redrawing on shirts, hats, sweatshirts, coffee mugs and certain
promotional items. So far I am concentrating on airplanes which are my
passion: Taylorcraft, Travel Air (I have a project of each of those), Laird
and next is Pietenpol. I can reproduce one already made or draw one from
scratch. I will try to have it done in time for Christmas so your family can
treat you right. I will be making a very small amount of money on each item
sold but it will go for a worthy cause - aviation and building a Pietenpol.
A lot more logos will follow and if there is interest I will post a link in
the near future. If this is unwanted let me know and no more will be written
about the subject. The items will be high-quality heat transferred,
printed-on-demand, so they will be available at all time and I am told
satisfaction is guaranteed.
I am windy and let me know how you feel about this kind of stuff. Sorry to
take up too much time :)
-john-
Thinking about a tag line like...
Pietenpol Aircamper
Smell the Grass, Chase the Cows.
The beauty is I can change the logo any time I want and it updates the
shirts available instantly, so we can have a whole variety of stuff to wear
and create.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: General Piet Stuff - windy letter follows.... |
Dear John as the letters used to say to the boys in my division,
I don't know quite how to answer your request for comments but if I had a
long COLD winter ahead of me in La and in the same solitary state you are in
I'd forget about those newsletters, shirts and other unimportant stuff and
get off your a-- and find a warm woman. Make sure she can cook too.
Corky, not in Wisconsin
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| From: | "John Hofmann" <jhofmann(at)netwurx.net> |
| Subject: | Re: General Piet Stuff - windy letter follows.... |
Hey Corky!
After the last one I am not sure it is worth my wallet being lightened
again! Besides, I am pretty sure I have dated every woman in the greater
Milwaukee Metro Area between the ages of 27 and 44. There ain't no wimmin
left. I has seen the enemy and it is us!
john- alone, frisky, and have a wonderful six year old redheaded girl who
loves airplanes to help take the chill off some of those winter nights....
>
> Dear John as the letters used to say to the boys in my division,
> I don't know quite how to answer your request for comments but if I had a
> long COLD winter ahead of me in La and in the same solitary state you are
in
> I'd forget about those newsletters, shirts and other unimportant stuff and
> get off your a-- and find a warm woman. Make sure she can cook too.
> Corky, not in Wisconsin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: General Piet Stuff - windy letter follows.... |
John,
GO SOUTH, YOUNG MAN, GO SOUTH
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jackphillips(at)earthlink.net> |
Robert Haines said:
Now for the curve ball: Like an I-beam, which increases it's moment of
inertia (which directly affects bending resistance) by adding a flange at
the top and bottom separated by a center web, I would consider mixing wood
species. Imagine if you used a few strips of a lighter but weaker wood in
the center of the beam and capped that with a strong yet heavier wood. This
method may provide an optomized board, increasing strength and minimizing
weight.
Just some thoughts to keep conversation going.
Robert Haines
Murphysboro, Illinois
Robert, there was a good article by Bob Whittier in one of the recent issues
of EAA Experimenter where he showed some pictures of laminated propellers
with light and dark wood. He mentioned that some airplanes had mixed
species exactly as you are describing, but added the caution that due to
differences in expansion due to humidity changes it could cause problems. I
think if you used a good epoxy varnish like PolyFiber makes (and is very
proud of, by the price) you could avoid these problems. Spar varnish is
intended to let the wood breathe and will not keep humidity changes from
making the wood swell and shrink.
I'm a big fan of lamination, and have laminated several pieces of my
Pietenpol, for increased strength and rigidity. I have laminated the
wingtips, the circular cutout in the centersection, the landing gear struts
(I'm building the straight axle, wire wheel type), and now I'm in the
process of laminating the bows for the cowling supports. Much lighter and
stronger than plywood, since the laminations follow the curve all the way
around. I've used resorcinol for all laminations. I don't know if I would
trust Titebond, because if it's what I'm thinking of, it definitely is not
waterproof.
Jack Phillips
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Warren D. Shoun" <wbnb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wood Question |
Regarding I-beams and or box beams, if you take a look at
http://www.flyerworld.com/shenty/ukaircampers
and scroll thru some of their builder sites, you will notice that virtually all
of
their spars are built up spars of 1/4" or 3/8" plywood with top and bottom beams,
with
verticals at each rib station and full verticals at each strut position and butt
end
position. This has been approved by the British regulatory agencies and seems
to be
more than adequate.
Cheers,
~Warren
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Maybe one of the British listers can help us outWood |
Question
Can any one of the piet listers from England help us out here in the
Colonies and provide us with the dimensions of the Approved Spar per the CAA
in GB?
Chris Bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: "Warren D. Shoun" <wbnb(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood Question
>
> Regarding I-beams and or box beams, if you take a look at
> http://www.flyerworld.com/shenty/ukaircampers
> and scroll thru some of their builder sites, you will notice that
virtually all of
> their spars are built up spars of 1/4" or 3/8" plywood with top and bottom
beams, with
> verticals at each rib station and full verticals at each strut position
and butt end
> position. This has been approved by the British regulatory agencies and
seems to be
> more than adequate.
>
> Cheers,
> ~Warren
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: General Piet Stuff - windy letter follows.... |
John,
I have copies of the original Waco Company drawing depicting the original
WACO logo from 1928.
It would be neat to get white overalls like the old time mechanics used to
wear that would have their company logos on the back. Old time photos of
the Luscombe, Taylorcraft, Waco, Grumman, Edo, and Aeronca factories all
show workers wearing them.
I would think the originals were embroidered but a modern day vinyl transfer
would suffice.
Some of the logos might still be copyright protected
Would do you think?
Chris Bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hofmann" <jhofmann(at)netwurx.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: General Piet Stuff - windy letter follows....
>
> Hi All,
> Mike Bell got a hold of me and I am getting another set of Pietenpol
> Newsletters. That leads me to item:
>
> 1. Awhile back I volunteered to digitize these old newsletters and publish
> them on a CD for non-profit use. I have been unable to do this because of
> no newsletters. Now that I am getting a set, that project will be started
in
> the near future. I will be scanning, and converting to searchable PDF
format
> and probably redrawing illustrations so they can be printed and scaled
with
> new fangled programs of the day. This will be a labor of love, lust,
> passion - what have you. Besides, I am a pathetic, lonely, divorced guy
with
> a bit of time on my hands about to endure another Wisconsin winter. If you
> have something to add or something you would like to see let me know
> including video clips, soundbytes, builder photos, etc. We can make this a
> group effort and something with which to really have fun.
>
> 2. I like airplane shirts and s&
t like that. Over the last few years I
have
> noticed most shirts, hats and the like seemed to have been designed by
> people stuck about 1972, with a doobie in their mouth and a blindfold over
> their eyes. I walked the Oshkosh grounds looking for acceptable items of
> clothing. Two years in a row have netted me nada, zip and zero. Mesh
hats!?,
> Tie Died shirts?! If I see on more shirt with a P51 shooting flames out of
> its wings I think I may puke. In my opinion good aviation clothing should
be
> subtle and now shout I AM A GEEK WEIRDO.
>
> The Oshkosh weather was cool a couple of mornings and I was wearing a
> sweatshirt I had picked up several years ago. I had four or five women ask
> me where I got it. It is a subtle Curtiss art deco ad which many have seen
> on the from of a white sweatshirt. This got me thinking. The only way I
was
> going to get the items I want to wear is to create them myself. There are
> many logos from the past that are really well done and nice conversation
> pieces. So I have partnered with a company to produce the aviation logos I
> am redrawing on shirts, hats, sweatshirts, coffee mugs and certain
> promotional items. So far I am concentrating on airplanes which are my
> passion: Taylorcraft, Travel Air (I have a project of each of those),
Laird
> and next is Pietenpol. I can reproduce one already made or draw one from
> scratch. I will try to have it done in time for Christmas so your family
can
> treat you right. I will be making a very small amount of money on each
item
> sold but it will go for a worthy cause - aviation and building a
Pietenpol.
> A lot more logos will follow and if there is interest I will post a link
in
> the near future. If this is unwanted let me know and no more will be
written
> about the subject. The items will be high-quality heat transferred,
> printed-on-demand, so they will be available at all time and I am told
> satisfaction is guaranteed.
>
> I am windy and let me know how you feel about this kind of stuff. Sorry to
> take up too much time :)
>
> -john-
>
> Thinking about a tag line like...
>
> Pietenpol Aircamper
> Smell the Grass, Chase the Cows.
>
> The beauty is I can change the logo any time I want and it updates the
> shirts available instantly, so we can have a whole variety of stuff to
wear
> and create.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Crepe Paper Drops |
Group--forgive me for deviating from building issues, but this is
just too much fun not to share. At The Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome
this past October my wife and I saw this neat competition between
two pilots. You get two rolls of crepe paper, crumple up the first foot
or two and climb to a thousand feet or so. Slow down to near stall,
toss the roll out the window or cockpit. The thing unrolls like a big
vertical streamer. You point the nose down and make a 180 to line up
on the streamer. The idea is to hit the streamer mid-length with either
wing. If you hit it right it folds over the top and bottom of your wing
and makes
a nice 25 foot long streamer. You repeat this with the other roll and
other wing
then fly over your neighbors, mistress, or local airport if you like. Too
cool.
It's not as easy as I thought it might be. I missed the first roll by
about 3 feet
outboard of the wingtip. The wing vortices curled that thing up into a big
usless
wad. Second roll I did better. Too much fun. I imagine you can do this with
any plane providing you don't hit it too hard and break it. I try to hit
it about
60 mph. Give you more time to aim. At Rhinebeck each pilot throws a roll
out for the other pilot, but this is not necessary. Anyway-----now at
least I
know what I want for Christmas !!
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jackphillips(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Crepe Paper Drops |
Reminds me of some of the stuff I used to do with a J-3 Cub when I was a kid
of 17 - I used to take a roll of toilet paper up, unroll the first 5 feet or
so and wad it up in my hand, with the rest of the roll still attached. I
would throw the whole thing out the open door and it would stream out
completely as it fell. Then I would see how many times I could cut it with
a wing before it hit the ground. Usually I would just do a series of loops
and hit it at the bottom of each loop. Once I hit it right at the wingtip
and the whole thing got caught in the wingtip vortex. The next pass it
looked beautiful - a huge spiral pinwheel in the sky. I couldn't resist and
put the nose of my Cub right in the center of the spiral, where the paper
was thickest. Big mistake! All that paper just packed into the cooling
shrouds and into the air filter. The engine began to splutter and if I
hadn't thought quickly and pulled carb heat to bypass the air cleaner it
would have died. Fortunately I was right over a little grass airstrip and
landed quickly before the cylinders got too hot. The toliet paper in the
cooling shrouds was smoldering when I picked it out. So be careful when
chasing your crepe paper!
Jack Phillips
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Crepe Paper Drops
Group--forgive me for deviating from building issues, but this is
just too much fun not to share. At The Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome
this past October my wife and I saw this neat competition between
two pilots. You get two rolls of crepe paper, crumple up the first foot
or two and climb to a thousand feet or so. Slow down to near stall,
toss the roll out the window or cockpit. The thing unrolls like a big
vertical streamer. You point the nose down and make a 180 to line up
on the streamer. The idea is to hit the streamer mid-length with either
wing. If you hit it right it folds over the top and bottom of your wing
and makes
a nice 25 foot long streamer. You repeat this with the other roll and
other wing
then fly over your neighbors, mistress, or local airport if you like. Too
cool.
It's not as easy as I thought it might be. I missed the first roll by
about 3 feet
outboard of the wingtip. The wing vortices curled that thing up into a big
usless
wad. Second roll I did better. Too much fun. I imagine you can do this
with
any plane providing you don't hit it too hard and break it. I try to hit
it about
60 mph. Give you more time to aim. At Rhinebeck each pilot throws a roll
out for the other pilot, but this is not necessary. Anyway-----now at
least I
know what I want for Christmas !!
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Owen Davies" <owen(at)davies.mv.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Crepe Paper Drops |
Michael D Cuy reported:
> Group--forgive me for deviating from building issues, but this is
> just too much fun not to share. At The Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome
> this past October my wife and I saw this neat competition between
> two pilots. You get two rolls of crepe paper, crumple up the first foot
> or two and climb to a thousand feet or so. Slow down to near stall,
> toss the roll out the window or cockpit ...
The famed "Delsey drop," named for the brand of
toilet paper it was often performed with back in the '20s.
One ideal way to play with their Davis parasol.
Owen Davies
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve Eldredge <steve(at)byu.edu> |
| Subject: | Crepe Paper Drops |
I discovered the TP thing a few years ago and have been having fun ever
since! BTW Saturday was my 4 year anniversary of my first flight in the
Piet! I keep a package of TP at my hanger for emergencies, no I mean in
flight fun. Once during a morning flight I was slow enough to catch to roll
in the middle. As it caught up it began to flutter and shed squares until
the whole thing disappeared. I didn't realize what happened until I turned
back into the morning sun and saw hundreds of TP squares fluttering
earthward sparkling in the light.
I've yet to be able to duplicate that one.
Steve E.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D
Cuy
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Crepe Paper Drops
Group--forgive me for deviating from building issues, but this is
just too much fun not to share. At The Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome
this past October my wife and I saw this neat competition between
two pilots. You get two rolls of crepe paper, crumple up the first foot
or two and climb to a thousand feet or so. Slow down to near stall,
toss the roll out the window or cockpit. The thing unrolls like a big
vertical streamer. You point the nose down and make a 180 to line up
on the streamer. The idea is to hit the streamer mid-length with either
wing. If you hit it right it folds over the top and bottom of your wing
and makes
a nice 25 foot long streamer. You repeat this with the other roll and
other wing
then fly over your neighbors, mistress, or local airport if you like. Too
cool.
It's not as easy as I thought it might be. I missed the first roll by
about 3 feet
outboard of the wingtip. The wing vortices curled that thing up into a big
usless
wad. Second roll I did better. Too much fun. I imagine you can do this
with
any plane providing you don't hit it too hard and break it. I try to hit
it about
60 mph. Give you more time to aim. At Rhinebeck each pilot throws a roll
out for the other pilot, but this is not necessary. Anyway-----now at
least I
know what I want for Christmas !!
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Crepe Paper Drops |
Sure hope you rural yankees won't have to use a Sears catalog before the
day's over.
C in l
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan James" <MADjames(at)theknapp.freeserve.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Calling from Britain about those spars |
Ten of the twelve British Pietenpols that have been finished and flown use a
built up spar drawn by Jim Wills. There are 50 or so other under
construction and they're doing the same. It's approved by the PFA - that's
our version of the EAA - who oversee homebuilts here in the UK and who are
responsible to the CAA - so it's gotta be tough! The front spar comprises
top and bottom spar caps each 1-1/4" x 7/8" with a 1/8" ply web. Spruce
fillers and ply doublers are positioned at each rib. Longer spruce blocks
and ply doublers are also used at the root and lift strut points. The rear
spar is built the same way but the caps are lighter - 7/8" x 3/4". I believe
this results in lighter and stronger spars than routed solid versions, and
it's less expensive. Aircraft quality spruce is rarer than hen's teeth over
here! Another advantage is that it enables the all up weight to be increased
to 1200lb. I hope this information helps.
Regard to everyone that side of the pond and thanks for giving us such a
wonderful flying machine.
Alan James (G-BUCO)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Maybe one of the British listers can help us
outWood Question
>
> Can any one of the piet listers from England help us out here in the
> Colonies and provide us with the dimensions of the Approved Spar per the
CAA
> in GB?
>
> Chris Bobka
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Warren D. Shoun" <wbnb(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood Question
>
>
>
> >
> > Regarding I-beams and or box beams, if you take a look at
> > http://www.flyerworld.com/shenty/ukaircampers
> > and scroll thru some of their builder sites, you will notice that
> virtually all of
> > their spars are built up spars of 1/4" or 3/8" plywood with top and
bottom
> beams, with
> > verticals at each rib station and full verticals at each strut position
> and butt end
> > position. This has been approved by the British regulatory agencies and
> seems to be
> > more than adequate.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > ~Warren
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | mboynton(at)excite.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Calling from Britain about those |
spars
Alan,
Is it possible to get a copy of Jim Wills drawings, and if so, how?
Thanks,
Mark Boynton
>
> Ten of the twelve British Pietenpols that have been finished and flown
use a
> built up spar drawn by Jim Wills. There are 50 or so other under
> construction and they're doing the same. It's approved by the PFA -
that's
> our version of the EAA - who oversee homebuilts here in the UK and who
are
> responsible to the CAA - so it's gotta be tough! The front spar comprises
> top and bottom spar caps each 1-1/4" x 7/8" with a 1/8" ply web. Spruce
> fillers and ply doublers are positioned at each rib. Longer spruce blocks
> and ply doublers are also used at the root and lift strut points. The
rear
> spar is built the same way but the caps are lighter - 7/8" x 3/4". I
believe
> this results in lighter and stronger spars than routed solid versions,
and
> it's less expensive. Aircraft quality spruce is rarer than hen's teeth
over
> here! Another advantage is that it enables the all up weight to be
increased
> to 1200lb. I hope this information helps.
> Regard to everyone that side of the pond and thanks for giving us such a
> wonderful flying machine.
> Alan James (G-BUCO)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Maybe one of the British listers can help us
> outWood Question
>
>
>
> >
> > Can any one of the piet listers from England help us out here in the
> > Colonies and provide us with the dimensions of the Approved Spar per
the
> CAA
> > in GB?
> >
> > Chris Bobka
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Warren D. Shoun" <wbnb(at)earthlink.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood Question
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Regarding I-beams and or box beams, if you take a look at
> > > http://www.flyerworld.com/shenty/ukaircampers
> > > and scroll thru some of their builder sites, you will notice that
> > virtually all of
> > > their spars are built up spars of 1/4" or 3/8" plywood with top and
> bottom
> > beams, with
> > > verticals at each rib station and full verticals at each strut
position
> > and butt end
> > > position. This has been approved by the British regulatory agencies
and
> > seems to be
> > > more than adequate.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > ~Warren
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | new e-mail address |
My new e-mail address is cgalley(at)qcbc.org as the other ISP decided to drop
service. If your address book has the old "accessus" URL that I used for
over 7 years, please update your records.
Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
www.bellanca-championclub.com
Cy Galley - www.qcbc.org Webmaster
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
Cy Galley - Treasurer, Mississippi Valley Region of the AACA
www.aaca.org/mvr - Webmaster
Cy Galley - webmaster EAA Chapter 75
http://members.tripod.com/~EAA_Chapter_75
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "fishin" <fishin(at)wwa.com> |
,
| Subject: | off topic-off color, but too funny not to share |
>
>CHILI COOK-OFFS
> NOTE: Please take time to read this slowly. If you pay attention to
>the first two judges, the reaction of the third is even better. For those
>of you who have lived in Texas, you know how True this is! They actually
> have a chili cook-off about the time the rodeo comes to town. It takes
>up a major portion of the parking lot at the Astrodome! You will likely
>want to read this behind closed doors because, if you are like me, you
>will
>be
>howling out loud.
>
>INEXPERIENCED CHILI TASTER
> Notes From An Inexperienced Chili Tester Named FRANK, who was visiting
> Texas from the East Coast: "Recently, I was honored to be selected as a
> judge at a chili cook-off. The original person called in sick at the
> last moment and I happened to be standing there at the judge's table
>asking directions to the beer wagon, when the call came. I was assured by
>the
>other two judges (Native Texans) that the chili wouldn't be all that
>spicy,
>and besides, they told me I could have free beer during the tasting, So I
> accepted."
> Here are the scorecards from the event:
> _________________________________________________________
>
>
>CHILI # 1 MIKE'S MANIAC MOBSTER MONSTER CHILI
> JUDGE ONE: A little too heavy on tomato. Amusing kick.
> JUDGE TWO: Nice,smooth tomato flavor. Very mild.
> FRANK: Holy shit, what the hell is this stuff? You could remove dried
>paint
>from your driveway. Took me two beers to put the flames out. I hope
>that's
>the worst one. These Texans are crazy.
> _________________________________________________________
>
>
>CHILI # 2 ARTHUR'S AFTERBURNER CHILI
> JUDGE ONE: Smokey, with a hint of pork. Slight Jalapeno tang.
> JUDGE TWO: Exciting BBQ flavor, needs more peppers to be taken seriously.
> FRANK: Keep this out of the reach of children I'm not sure what I am
> supposed to taste besides pain. I had to wave off two people who
>wanted to give me the Heimlich maneuver. They had to rush in more beer
>when
>they saw the look on my face.
> __________________________________________________________
>
>
>CHILI # 3 FRED'S FAMOUS BURN DOWN THE BARN CHILI
> JUDGE ONE: Excellent firehouse chili! Great kick. Needs more beans.
> JUDGE TWO: A beanless chili, a bit salty, good use of peppers.
> FRANK: Call the EPA, I've located a uranium spill. My nose feels like
>I have been snorting Drano. Everyone knows the routine by now get me
>more beer before I ignite. Barmaid pounded me on the back; now my
>backbone
>is in the front part of my chest. I'm getting shit-faced from all the
>beer.
> ____________________________________________________________
>
>
>CHILI # 4 BUBBA'S BLACK MAGIC
> JUDGE ONE: Black bean chili with almost no spice. Disappointing.
> JUDGE TWO: Hint of lime in the black beans. Good side dish for fish or
>other mild foods, not much of a chili.
> FRANK: I felt something scraping across my tongue, but was unable to
> taste it, is it possible to burnout taste buds? Sally, the barmaid,
>was standing behind me with fresh refills; that 300 lb. Bitch is starting
>to look HOT just like this nuclear waste I'm eating. Is chili an
>aphrodisiac?
> _______________________________________________________
>
>
> CHILI # 5 LINDA'S LEGAL LIP REMOVER
>
> JUDGE ONE: Meaty, strong chili. Cayenne peppers freshly ground, adding
> considerable kick. Very Impressive.
>
> JUDGE TWO: Chili using shredded beef, could use more tomato. Must
>admit the cayenne peppers make a strong statement.
>
> FRANK: My ears are ringing, sweat is pouring off my forehead and I can
> no longer focus my eyes. I farted and four people behind me needed
> paramedics. The contestant seemed offended when I told her that her
>chili had given me brain damage, Sally saved my tongue from bleeding by
>pouring beer directly on it from a pitcher. I wonder if I'm burning my
>lips
>off? It really pisses me off that the other judges asked me to stop
>screaming.
>Screw those rednecks!
> ________________________________________________________
>
>
>CHILI # 6 VERA'S VERY VEGETARIAN VARIETY
> JUDGE ONE: Thin yet bold vegetarian variety chili. Good balance of spice
>and peppers.
> JUDGE TWO: The best yet. Aggressive use of peppers, onions, and garlic.
>Superb.
> FRANK: My intestines are now a straight pipe filled with gaseous,
> sulfuric flames. I shit myself when I farted and I'm worried it will
>eat through the chair. No one seems inclined to stand behind me except
>that slut Sally, She must be kinkier than I thought. Can't feel my lips
>anymore.
>I need to wipe my ass with a snow cone!
>
> _____________________________________________________
>
> CHILI # 7 SUSAN'S SCREAMING SENSATION CHILI
>
> JUDGE ONE: A mediocre chili with too much reliance on canned peppers.
>
> JUDGE TWO: Ho Hum, tastes as if the chef literally threw in a can of
> chili peppers at the last moment. I should take note that I am worried
>about Judge Number 3, He appears to be in a bit of distress as he is
>cursing
>uncontrollably.
>
> FRANK: You could put a grenade in my mouth, pull the pin, and I
>wouldn't feel a damn thing. I've lost sight in one eye, and the world
>sounds
>like it is made of rushing water. My shirt is covered with chili which
>slid
> unnoticed out of my mouth. My pants are full of lava-like shit to
>match my damn shirt. At least during the autopsy they'll know what killed
>me. I've decided to stop breathing, it's too painful. Screw it, I'm not
>getting any oxygen anyway. If I need air, I'll just suck it in through
>the
>4-inch hole in my stomach.
> ____________________________________________________
>
> JUDGE ONE: A perfect ending, this is a nice blend chili, safe for all, not
>too bold but spicy enough to declare it's existence.
> JUDGE TWO: This final entry is a good, balanced chili. Neither mild or
> hot. Sorry to see that most of it was lost when Judge Number 3 passed
> out, fell over and pulled the chili pot down on top of himself. Not
>sure if he's going to make it. Poor Yank, wonder how he'd have reacted to
>a
>really hot chili?
>
>
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| From: | "George Allen" <GeorgeA(at)PAonline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Calling from Britain about those |
spars
Alan, is there a web site that shows a cross-section of the built-up
spar?
Or could someone e-mail me a drawing or picture?
What is the orientation of the ply to the spar caps? I don't understand how
they are put together.
I'm about to order wood and I don't want to have to order spar wood for $515
for 4 pieces of wood.
A question for anyone.
If you rip your own cap strips, do you have to plane the cut surface before
using?
Does this apply to all rip cuts?
Thanks folks, can't wait to start.
George Allen
GeorgeA(at)PAonline.com
(soon to be Peit'. builder)
(work bench complete. Kit planes has a nice one in the latest issue.)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan James" <MADjames(at)theknapp.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Calling from Britain about those
spars
>........The front spar comprises
> top and bottom spar caps each 1-1/4" x 7/8" with a 1/8" ply web. Spruce
> fillers and ply doublers are positioned at each rib. Longer spruce blocks
> and ply doublers are also used at the root and lift strut points. The rear
> spar is built the same way but the caps are lighter - 7/8" x 3/4". ......
> Alan James (G-BUCO)
.of the British listers can help us outWood Question in GB?
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| From: | Kent Hallsten <KHallsten(at)Governair.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Calling from Britain about those spars |
George,
About ripping cap strips, the following was sent to me from Monty
Graves on the Ragwing list, this is about saw blades and might answer your
question. I'll cut & paste it.
I will offer one other tip on table saw use, then I will shut for awhile. If
you use a fairly good 7.25 inch HOLLOW GROUND PLANER blade (about $10) on
your/any table saw to rip boards for the airplane projects. It TOTALTY
enlimates sanding/planing/jointing.. They are avaiable at any good hardware
store... yes the 7.25 inch blades work on 10 inch table saws... they make 6
inch and 10 inch blades too, but the 7.25 are cheaper.. I love these blades,
use a fairly slow feed, you will love the results, compared to a rip or
multi cross cut blade Of course 3/4 stock is easier to rip than 1.5 inch but
you can do both.. fairly easy. The other good thing about the planer blade
is it is narrower, less wasted high dollar material. Just slip a smal wood
wedge in the slot cut by the blade as the cut is being made, to stop the
very narrow blade from binding..
And I would also like to get the plans for the UK spars, if available.
Have fun!
Kent
Eagerly awaiting plans :)
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| From: | "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Calling from Britain about those |
spars
I am also interested in seeing the drawings for the British wing spar. I
have questions like, how far do you let the web in the capstrips and what
does a splice joint look like. Someone PLEASE scan the drawing and email
it, I would be happy to put it on my web page.
To help out with this topic, check out the NACA report:
http://naca.larc.nasa.gov/reports/1920/naca-report-35/naca-report-35.pdf
Robert Haines
Murphysboro, Illinois
P.S. - George, as far as using a plane, I would if you had rough-cut lumber
(the rough saw marks that come from the sawmill). I would also consider it
if you are using a bandsaw (don't use a bandsaw, that's too much work). But
if you have a decent blade in your tablesaw, just sand it. I would also
suggest using fingerboards with the tablesaw to keep the piece against the
fence, they assure that you get a consistantly dimensioned cut and keep you
from gouging the board if you bump it into the blade.
> From: "George Allen" <GeorgeA(at)PAonline.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Calling from Britain about
those spars
>
>
> Alan, is there a web site that shows a cross-section of the built-up
> spar?
> If you rip your own cap strips, do you have to plane the cut surface
before
> using?
> Does this apply to all rip cuts?
> Thanks folks, can't wait to start.
>
> George Allen
> GeorgeA(at)PAonline.com
> (soon to be Peit'. builder)
> (work bench complete. Kit planes has a nice one in the latest issue.)
>
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| From: | COMANCHE180(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: off topic-off color, but too funny not to share |
please remove from list we were on by my mistake
COMANCHE180(at)AOL.COM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael Conkling" <hpvs(at)southwind.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Crepe Paper Drops aka TP drops |
A friend of mine did this regularly with his T-Craft -- just tossed the TP
out the window & let the roll unwind. Don't know if he had to pick the
paper out of the cooling fins (he never said! ;-) -- but a couple wheat
farmers were puzzled by the large unfurled piles of TP when they did field
work (no "kills" that mission! ;-)
Mike C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Boyd" <pietenpol41(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: off topic-off color, but too funny not to share |
Doesn't seem to me that this sort of material belongs on the Pietenpol list. We
build airplanes.
From: "fishin" <FISHIN(at)WWA.COM>
,
Subject: Pietenpol-List: off topic-off color, but too funny not to share
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:37:13 -0800
-- Pietenpol-List message posted by: "fishin"
CHILI COOK-OFFS
NOTE: Please take time to read this slowly. If you pay attention to
the first two judges, the reaction of the third is even better. For those
of you who have lived in Texas, you know how True this is! They actually
have a chili cook-off about the time the rodeo comes to town. It takes
up a major portion of the parking lot at the Astrodome! You will likely
want to read this behind closed doors because, if you are like me, you
will
be
howling out loud.
INEXPERIENCED CHILI TASTER
Notes From An Inexperienced Chili Tester Named FRANK, who was visiting
Texas from the East Coast: "Recently, I was honored to be selected as a
judge at a chili cook-off. The original person called in sick at the
last moment and I happened to be standing there at the judge's table
asking directions to the beer wagon, when the call came. I was assured by
the
other two judges (Native Texans) that the chili wouldn't be all that
spicy,
and besides, they told me I could have free beer during the tasting, So I
accepted."
Here are the scorecards from the event:
_________________________________________________________
CHILI # 1 MIKE'S MANIAC MOBSTER MONSTER CHILI
JUDGE ONE: A little too heavy on tomato. Amusing kick.
JUDGE TWO: Nice,smooth tomato flavor. Very mild.
FRANK: Holy shit, what the hell is this stuff? You could remove dried
paint
from your driveway. Took me two beers to put the flames out. I hope
that's
the worst one. These Texans are crazy.
_________________________________________________________
CHILI # 2 ARTHUR'S AFTERBURNER CHILI
JUDGE ONE: Smokey, with a hint of pork. Slight Jalapeno tang.
JUDGE TWO: Exciting BBQ flavor, needs more peppers to be taken seriously.
FRANK: Keep this out of the reach of children I'm not sure what I am
supposed to taste besides pain. I had to wave off two people who
wanted to give me the Heimlich maneuver. They had to rush in more beer
when
they saw the look on my face.
__________________________________________________________
CHILI # 3 FRED'S FAMOUS BURN DOWN THE BARN CHILI
JUDGE ONE: Excellent firehouse chili! Great kick. Needs more beans.
JUDGE TWO: A beanless chili, a bit salty, good use of peppers.
FRANK: Call the EPA, I've located a uranium spill. My nose feels like
I have been snorting Drano. Everyone knows the routine by now get me
more beer before I ignite. Barmaid pounded me on the back; now my
backbone
is in the front part of my chest. I'm getting shit-faced from all the
beer.
____________________________________________________________
CHILI # 4 BUBBA'S BLACK MAGIC
JUDGE ONE: Black bean chili with almost no spice. Disappointing.
JUDGE TWO: Hint of lime in the black beans. Good side dish for fish or
other mild foods, not much of a chili.
FRANK: I felt something scraping across my tongue, but was unable to
taste it, is it possible to burnout taste buds? Sally, the barmaid,
was standing behind me with fresh refills; that 300 lb. Bitch is starting
to look HOT just like this nuclear waste I'm eating. Is chili an
aphrodisiac?
_______________________________________________________
CHILI # 5 LINDA'S LEGAL LIP REMOVER
JUDGE ONE: Meaty, strong chili. Cayenne peppers freshly ground, adding
considerable kick. Very Impressive.
JUDGE TWO: Chili using shredded beef, could use more tomato. Must
admit the cayenne peppers make a strong statement.
FRANK: My ears are ringing, sweat is pouring off my forehead and I can
no longer focus my eyes. I farted and four people behind me needed
paramedics. The contestant seemed offended when I told her that her
chili had given me brain damage, Sally saved my tongue from bleeding by
pouring beer directly on it from a pitcher. I wonder if I'm burning my
lips
off? It really pisses me off that the other judges asked me to stop
screaming.
Screw those rednecks!
________________________________________________________
CHILI # 6 VERA'S VERY VEGETARIAN VARIETY
JUDGE ONE: Thin yet bold vegetarian variety chili. Good balance of spice
and peppers.
JUDGE TWO: The best yet. Aggressive use of peppers, onions, and garlic.
Superb.
FRANK: My intestines are now a straight pipe filled with gaseous,
sulfuric flames. I shit myself when I farted and I'm worried it will
eat through the chair. No one seems inclined to stand behind me except
that slut Sally, She must be kinkier than I thought. Can't feel my lips
anymore.
I need to wipe my ass with a snow cone!
_____________________________________________________
CHILI # 7 SUSAN'S SCREAMING SENSATION CHILI
JUDGE ONE: A mediocre chili with too much reliance on canned peppers.
JUDGE TWO: Ho Hum, tastes as if the chef literally threw in a can of
chili peppers at the last moment. I should take note that I am worried
about Judge Number 3, He appears to be in a bit of distress as he is
cursing
uncontrollably.
FRANK: You could put a grenade in my mouth, pull the pin, and I
wouldn't feel a damn thing. I've lost sight in one eye, and the world
sounds
like it is made of rushing water. My shirt is covered with chili which
slid
unnoticed out of my mouth. My pants are full of lava-like shit to
match my damn shirt. At least during the autopsy they'll know what killed
me. I've decided to stop breathing, it's too painful. Screw it, I'm not
getting any oxygen anyway. If I need air, I'll just suck it in through
the
4-inch hole in my stomach.
____________________________________________________
JUDGE ONE: A perfect ending, this is a nice blend chili, safe for all, not
too bold but spicy enough to declare it's existence.
JUDGE TWO: This final entry is a good, balanced chili. Neither mild or
hot. Sorry to see that most of it was lost when Judge Number 3 passed
out, fell over and pulled the chili pot down on top of himself. Not
sure if he's going to make it. Poor Yank, wonder how he'd have reacted to
a
really hot chili?
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| From: | John Myers <jmyers(at)powernet.org> |
Any suggestions for a good supplier of Scimitar props 72X42 for an
A65? Does anyone know if Hegy propellers is still in business? I also am
wondering how much money to save up.
Thanks for your help.
John Myers
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Happy Thanksgiving |
To all Pieters,
Isabelle and I wish to thank all for a good year of electronic association.
Hope some day to meet you in person. Eat, drink and be thankful for our many,
many blessings we enjoy and be ever mindful of the sacrifices of those who
went before us in order for us to enjoy this security.
Corky in Louisiana
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron Mac Adon" <macadon(at)midrivers.com> |
| Subject: | FW: Aviators Christmas |
>
> Merry Christmas
>
>
> Twas the night before Christmas, and out on the ramp, Not an airplane
> was stirring, not even a Champ. The aircraft were fastened to tiedowns with
> care in hopes that come morning, they all would be there. The fuel trucks
> were nestled, all snug in their spots, while peak gusts from three two zero
> reached 39 knots. I sank behind the fuel desk, Now finally caught up, and
> settled down comfortably upon my butt. When over the radio, there arose
> such a clatter, I turned up the scanner to see what was the matter. A voice
> clearly heard over static and snow, asked for clearance to land at the
> airport below. He barked out his transmission so lively and quick, I could
> have sworn that the call sign he used was "St.Nick". Away to the window I
> flew like a flash, Sure that it was only Horizon's late Dash.
>
> Then he called his position, and there could be no denial, "This is St.
> Nicholas One and I'm turning on final." When what to my wondering eyes
> should appear, A Rutan sleigh, and eight Rotax Reindeer. Cleared for the
> ILS down the glideslope he came, As he passed all fixes, he called them by
> name: "Now Ringo! Now Tolga! Now Trini and Bacun! On Comet! On Cupid! "What
> pills was he takin'?
>
> Those last couple of fixes left the controllers confused, they called
> down to the office to give me the news. The message they left was both
> urgent and dour: "When Santa lands, could he please call the tower?"
>
> He landed like silk, with the sled runners sparking, Then I heard "Exit at
> Charlie," and "Taxi to parking." He slowed to a taxi and exited Three-Two,
> as he came down the taxiway the sleigh bells' jingle grew.
>
> He stepped out of the sleigh, but before he could talk, I had run out to
> him with my best set of chocks. He was dressed all in fur, which was
> covered with frost and his beard was all blackened from Rotax Reindeer
> exhaust. His breath smelled like peppermint, gone slightly stale and he
> puffed on a pipe, but he didn't inhale. His cheeks were rosy and jiggled
> like jelly, His boots were as black as a cropdusters belly.
>
> He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old fool, and he kindly informed me
> that he needed some fuel. A wink of his eye and a twist of his toes, led me
> to know he was desperate to powder his nose.
>
> I spoke not a word, but went straight to my work, and I filled up the
> sleigh, but I spilled like a jerk. He came out of the restroom with a sigh
> of relief, and then picked up a phone for a flight service brief.
>
> And I thought as he silently scribed in his log, that with Rudolph, he
> could land in eighth-mile fog. Next, he completed his preflight, from
> the front to the rear, then he put on his headset, and I heard him yell
> "Clear!"
>
> And laying a finger on his push-to-talk, He called up the tower for his
> clearance and squawk. "After departure fly heading three two zero," the
> tower called forth, "and watch for a Luscombe inbound from the North."
>
> Then I heard him exclaim, 'ere he climbed in the night, Merry Christmas to
> all, I have traffic in sight."
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DonanClara(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Happy Thanksgiving |
Thanks Corky for those kind thoughts and for being an active part of our Piet
list. I know when I spot Isablcorky that I'm in for a treat. Happy Holidays
to you and to all. Don Hicks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walter evans" <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
"Fishnet"
Going to get the ball rolling on getting an "N" number. I want to
request a special one, and that brings me to the question,,,
Do you apply with a form #8050-88 and just attach an informal letter to
it with your request? Or is the special request also a form that I'm
overlooking?
thanks
walt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
You can call 405-954-3116 and do everything over the phone.
There is further info on the net at http://registry.faa.gov/nnumber.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "walter evans" <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: N# request
Going to get the ball rolling on getting an "N" number. I want to
request a special one, and that brings me to the question,,,
Do you apply with a form #8050-88 and just attach an informal letter to
it with your request? Or is the special request also a form that I'm
overlooking?
thanks
walt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rollin Young" <rollin.young(at)acsalaska.net> |
Walt, you can go to this address:
<http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/NNum_inquiry.htm>
to check if the number you want is available. If you find the number you
want, you can go to this address:
https://diy.dot.gov/cust/cdeploy?ecaction=ecwalkin§=faa&ecsid=1052&eccoo
kie=@eccookie@&ecehomep=@ecehomepage@&template=diymall_walkin.en.htm
to reserve/pay for the number. I couldn't get the above address to show as
a link but you should be able to copy and paste.
Rollin
>Going to get the ball rolling on getting an "N" number. I want to
>request a special one, and that brings me to the question,,,
>Do you apply with a form #8050-88 and just attach an informal letter to
>it with your request? Or is the special request also a form that I'm
>overlooking?
>thanks
> walt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 11/02/01 |
Corky,
As usual, you are right on. The food at Shucks was as advertised and Jim
Cooper's company was delightful. Turned out one of his good friend's
brother is on my EAA chapter board of directors. Small world!! The only
thing missing was you. How about when I get my Piet done and you get yours
done (you will be ahead of me) we fly down and meet up with Jim. We can all
fly our new Piets around the bayous and end up at Shucks.
Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 11/02/01
>
> Ted,
> Even though it's 235 miles from where I live, let down in Abbeville, about
20
> mi ssw of Lafayette Regional and have someone take you to Shucks.
Everyone
> knows of it there. You will get the BEST oysters anywhere including
Nawlins.
> Shrimp and ALL seafoods are there too. You should plan an RON as this food
> MUST be washed with coooold beer. Call Piet builder Jim Cooper, he lives
> nearby and will probably join you.
> Corky in North La drooling about South Louisiana food
>
>
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 11/02/01 |
Ted,
Great that you enjoyed our hospitalitty in bayou Louisiana. A really
undiscovered heaven for food and pleasure. Jim had already sent me a message
of your stopover and I was pleased you took our suggestion. Come back soon.
If and when I finish my Piet we will all meet in Abbeville for a blow out.
Matter of fact this might be just the place to have a southern Brodhead.Keep
in touch
Corky enjoying the most beautiful fall weather in my 78 yrs of memory
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | PietenpolTom(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 11/02/01 |
Hey this is Tom near Nash Tn builder tell me about any functions re Peit's
near me
Thanks in advance Pietenpoltom @aol.com
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| From: | "james cooper" <blugoos1(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Rendezvous in Cajunland |
Corky & Ted Brousseau: Anytime you want to meet in Abbeville for Cajun
delights or any other reason, we'd be glad to put you up in our small
guest house on the bayou. You don't even have to wait until you finish
your Piets. Mine (a GN1) can't possibly be finished before another 2-3
years. Great hearing from both of you. Jim Cooper
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Jump-Starting a project, need advice |
Hello List,
Well it's been good to be back on the list & see everyone's comments. We've
been busy getting settled in our new home, so I haven't had much time to
think about Piets or post comments. (Corky, I got your message, don't
worry, I'll keep mum. I miss ole VA, but my wife's family is here.)
Anyway, I'm getting back into the swing of things & need some advice. This
weekend, I'm travelling down to Cincinnati to look over a project that a
fellow has for sale down there. It was up for sale on eBay a while back,
but he never got a sufficient bid. Anyway, I've talked to him about it, it
sounds pretty good and I am seriously interested.
Description as I've heard it: Fuselage & tail feathers are done. He has one
set of ribs on spars (3 pc. wing) & all the ribs made for the other side.
All painted with polturethane spar varnish & glued with aerolite. Cabane
struts and gear fabricated (split type with bungees) & enough metal to
fabricate a lot of the rest of the controls, struts, etc. He has what he
says is a 50hp Army generator engine that can be overhauled/reconverted to
aircraft use, but I'm still plannig on using a Corvair.
He bought the project partially done from a guy in Wisconsin about 6 years
ago, and got some additional work done himself. Says that he no longer has
time & is ready to pass it on. He & the original builder kept a builder's
log, but I don't know how comprehensive it is yet.
Anyway, here's my question - this all sounds pretty good, but can anyone
think of any obvious warning flags that I should be looking for given what
I've described? Obviously, I'll need to judge overall craftmanship when I
see it 'in the flesh', but what are some other considerations, if any? This
would be a great leg up on getting my project going if it is as good as it
sounds and we can negotiate a fair price. Comments folks?
Thanks!
Kip Gardner (getting ready for the onslaught of winter in NE Ohio).
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| From: | "toddatlucile" <_toddatlucile(at)alltel.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 11/22/01 |
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jackphillips(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Jump-Starting a project, need advice |
Kip Gardner wrote:
can anyone think of any obvious warning flags that I should be looking for
given what
I've described?
Kip,
There's been some discussion of Aerolite glue in this forum the past few
months. I would ask for some test samples made when they glued the joint so
you can break them and see how the glue holds up.
If it is on the gear, a simple test to see how true everything is lined up
would be to run a steel tape measure from the tailpost to the end of each
axle. It might also be possible to put the plane in level flight attitude
and put a level on the top longerons and hang sme plumb bobs to see how
everything lines up. If the woodwork is good and the structure is well
aligned, it's probably a good investment. If the fuselage is not aligned
and true, pass it up. You may never be able to rig it where it will fly
well. Check out Tony Bingelis' "The Sportplane Builder" , looking at the
chapters on alignment. Most of the trouble building an airplane is keeping
everything lined up, and poor aligm=nment is one reason many projects seem
to drift from builder to builder to builder.
Good luck,
Jack Phillips
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| From: | Jim Sury <jimsury(at)fbtc.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop for A65 |
John I think Mr. Hegy is deceased now. I bought a 72X42 from him for my
C-85 and it cost my $500. Now that was about 3 years ago. Really nice prop
too. You shouldn't have any problem getting a prop. Good luck. jas
>
>Any suggestions for a good supplier of Scimitar props 72X42 for an
>A65? Does anyone know if Hegy propellers is still in business? I also am
>wondering how much money to save up.
>
>Thanks for your help.
>
>John Myers
>
>
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| From: | "K. and J. Hallsten" <hallstenokc(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | The plans arrived today! |
I received my set of plans from Donald today, and started looking
them over. At first glance I thought I would really have my hands full.
There's a lot to look at with the supplements, different engine mounts,
extended fuselage and the like. How do you guys keep it straight?
I'm going to spend the next few days or weeks reading the plans over,
(and over...) and building a worktable. The plans say to start with the
fuse, is that what most builders have done? I thought about starting
with the ribs, or tail section, something small at first. But if it's
easier in the long run to just get going on the fuse I'll do that.
My Piet will have the three piece wing, extended fuselage. I
thought about making a cocpit mockup to check the fit. I'm a tad over
6' 1", 185 lbs., so the extra 2 inches with the ext. fuse is a given,
would I need more? Someone let me know if I need to spend the time
doing this. I think the cockpit width will be fine, snug but fine.
I would like to look for a Corvair, but that may be jumping the gun
a bit. One never knows when an engine may show up thats just right for
a small plane. Our EAA chapter had a meeting at an engine builders shop
in March. He had just finished a small Continental as a side project,
and seemed to lament the fact that , "There's just not much call for
these little things any more." He sounded as if he would be stuck with
it. I was thinking that it would be a pretty nice Piet engine, I wonder
if he still has it, and how much it costs?
I'm lucky to have a 3-car garage, but I have to share it with every
one else in my family. There would be room for a fuse to sit there, but
things would be crowded. My wife said she wants one bay for her car when
it's nasty outside. If I don't keep her happy this will be a l-o-n-g
hard winter.
October 21, 2001 - November 26, 2001
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