Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-cp
April 05, 2002 - May 08, 2002
>>Green exterior latex
>>Kilz 2 Latex
>>
>>If you would like to see others tested let me know.
>>I don't plan on
>>buying tons of different paints as I only need a
>>small dab for each
>>test.
>>
>>The paint gets put on a quartz plate (glass absorbs
>>some UV) and then
>>put into a machine that shines a fine UV light
>>at/through the
>>material and senses any transmission on the other
>>side.
>>
>>I'll post the results when done - it will probably
>>be a number of weeks.
>>
>>Kirk
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric system test - open for input/samples |
In a message dated 04/05/2002 9:45:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
kirkh@unique-software.com writes:
<< I plan on running the same
test on the Polyfiber system and maybe AFS if they are willing to send
out samples of their chemicals. >>
Those companies may have already done this same test and have THEIR results
to compare with ? Would be worth asking when you contact them about their
samples. There has GOT to be some other studies that have been done on this
same thing.
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| From: | "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | I've started scanning BPA newsletters..... |
I just started with issue 50 4th Quarter 1995) and I'm scanning (at 300dpi)
anything that looks like mostly relevant building info. I'll go back and do
the mailbag and musings type stuff (maybe) later.
So if anyone's thinking about scanning (and converting to pdf's), how about
starting somewhere besides issue 50 so maybe we can not duplicate efforts?
I'm making no commitments to how much I'll scan, but as the mood hits me
I'll run a couple through the scanner. I'll then save as PDF's (using Adobe
5) and make them available....
Jim Markle
Plano, TX
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| From: | "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | few scanned BPA newsletters available..... |
at: http://home.mindspring.com/~jim_markle/bpa_scans.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
| Subject: | Plywood Question... |
I just ordered some of the Finnish plywood from AS&S. It is for my rib
gussets. Has anyone else worked with it? I like the look of Mahogany, but
the ribs are hidden anyway. Just curious if anyone knows much about the
wood. Thanks gang.
Regards,
Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
MyKitPlane.com
EAA 665957
gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=43
"What's the hurry? Are you afraid I won't come back?"
Manfred von Richthofen, 'The Red Baron,' last recorded words, in reply to
a request for an autograph as he was climbing into the cockpit of his plane.
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| From: | clif <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: few scanned BPA newsletters available..... |
Great stuff! Thanks Jim, Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: few scanned BPA newsletters available.....
>
> at: http://home.mindspring.com/~jim_markle/bpa_scans.html
>
>
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| From: | "Wayne McIntosh" <mcintosh3017(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Plywood Question... |
Gary,
I think most of us use it and it works fine.
Wayne McIntosh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plywood Question...
>
> I just ordered some of the Finnish plywood from AS&S. It is for my rib
> gussets. Has anyone else worked with it? I like the look of Mahogany, but
> the ribs are hidden anyway. Just curious if anyone knows much about the
> wood. Thanks gang.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
> MyKitPlane.com
> EAA 665957
> gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com
> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=43
>
> "What's the hurry? Are you afraid I won't come back?"
>
> Manfred von Richthofen, 'The Red Baron,' last recorded words, in reply to
> a request for an autograph as he was climbing into the cockpit of his
plane.
>
>
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| From: | "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | just added a few more......scanned BPA newsletters available..... |
at: http://home.mindspring.com/~jim_markle/bpa_scans.html
If someone has a page where these can be stored/accessed, let me know
(email me directly please). (I just have a small web page space at
mindspring....)
Jim Markle
Plano, TX
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| From: | Larry Neal <llneal2(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: just added a few more......scanned BPA newsletters |
available.....
Jim,
If we don't want to put them on Matronics, let's use my site.
Larry
Jim Markle wrote:
>
>
> at: http://home.mindspring.com/~jim_markle/bpa_scans.html
>
> If someone has a page where these can be stored/accessed, let me know
>(email me directly please). (I just have a small web page space at
>mindspring....)
> Jim Markle
> Plano, TX
>
>
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| From: | Richard deCosta <curiousspider(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Model A Initial Timing? |
Hi gang. Got a mode a question... My engine is just
about done, finally. The one question remaining is the
timing... My engine guy needs to know the advance
curve/initial timing setting for my M/Bendix (greek to
me). Heres the numbers:
Magneto:
ES10-382555-13 F
Model # D4LN-2021
S/N R0101014
Anyone?
Thanks!
Richard deCosta
=====
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Wilbur Wright, 1902.
My music: http://www27.brinkster.com/richarddecosta/
http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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| From: | "Michael Brusilow" <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Model A Initial Timing? |
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard deCosta
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 2:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A Initial Timing?
Hi gang. Got a mode a question... My engine is just
about done, finally. The one question remaining is the
timing... My engine guy needs to know the advance
curve/initial timing setting for my M/Bendix (greek to
me). Heres the numbers:
Magneto:
ES10-382555-13 F
Model # D4LN-2021
S/N R0101014
Anyone?
Thanks!
Richard deCosta
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
28 deg BTDC
Mike B Piet N 687MB ( Mr Sam )
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| Subject: | Re: Model A Initial Timing? |
In a message dated 4/6/02 11:27:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
curiousspider(at)yahoo.com writes:
> Hi gang. Got a mode a question... My engine is just
> about done, finally. The one question remaining is the
> timing... My engine guy needs to know the advance
> curve/initial timing setting for my M/Bendix (greek to
> me). Heres the numbers:
>
> Magneto:
> ES10-382555-13 F
> Model # D4LN-2021
> S/N R0101014
>
>
Richard,
I had always heard to time the A from 26-30 BTDC. I run mine in the 27-28
range.
Doug Bryant
Wichita Ks
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| From: | Dennis Engelkenjohn <wingding(at)usmo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fabric system test - open for input/samples |
Kirk & Laura Huizenga wrote:
>
> I am setting up a test with a friend of mine who is a chemistry prof
> at Macalester college in St Paul, MN to find out once (and maybe for
> all) if the various latex covering idea block UV light. He has the
> ability to test transmission and blocking of UV through materials.
>
> Currently I am planning on trying the following paints
>
> Black latex
> Rustoleum Oil Based Enamel #7715 Aluminum
> Green exterior latex
> Kilz 2 Latex
>
> If you would like to see others tested let me know. I don't plan on
> buying tons of different paints as I only need a small dab for each
> test.
>
> The paint gets put on a quartz plate (glass absorbs some UV) and then
> put into a machine that shines a fine UV light at/through the
> material and senses any transmission on the other side.
>
> I'll post the results when done - it will probably be a number of weeks.
>
> Kirk
Since you mentioned it, would you please try Polyurethane?
I used a red, white and blue captain america paint scheme on my minimax about
3 years
ago and it seems OK yet, but I would like to know for sure. I got the colors from
Kmart and
Walmart, aviation section of course. It is red devil brand, interior/exterior,
but I
believe any brand will do.
Oh yea, it is oil based, not latex.
Dennis Engelkenjohn
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| From: | "Mike Bell" <mikebell(at)sc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 04/06/02 |
Gene Rambo can confirm this. I looked at an old stearman wing in his
hanger. If I remember correctly, the rib gussets were some kind of card
stock, not wood. The Finnish ply is much stronger and very suitable.
By the way, if you have one of those guillotine type paper cutters, you can
cut your gussets to size on that.
Mike Bell
Gaston, SC
I just ordered some of the Finnish plywood from AS&S. It is for my rib
> gussets. Has anyone else worked with it? I like the look of Mahogany, but
> the ribs are hidden anyway. Just curious if anyone knows much about the
> wood. Thanks gang.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
> MyKitPlane.com
> EAA 665957
> gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com
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| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
| Subject: | Flying and Glider Manual |
In the recent Sport Aviation magazine there is an ad for the Flying and
Glider Manuals for the years 29-33. EAA Members pay $5.95 each. Call
1-800-843-3612.
Regards,
Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
MyKitPlane.com
EAA 665957
gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=43
"What's the hurry? Are you afraid I won't come back?"
Manfred von Richthofen, 'The Red Baron,' last recorded words, in reply to
a request for an autograph as he was climbing into the cockpit of his plane.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
| Subject: | Flying in open cockpit |
Well, I had my first-ever flight in an open air plane, a Bakeng Duce. You
can see it here:
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/planeDetail.cfm?PlaneID=44
Wow, what can I say. It was a blast, even on a cloudy and very windy day. As
some of you know, I am knew to the flying thing, having wanted to most of my
life but just know getting into it. Paul invited me up. I am now even more
motivated. The Duce is rated at +6/-4 and was very solid. Paul flys
corporate jets when not having fun in his Duce. We flew in to a nice grass
field that his EAA Chapter has aquired and is fixing up. Was fun. The plane
is easy to handle and very stable, even on a windy day.
So, when you want to know what you are working toward, bum a ride in an open
air plane and then get home and build a little. Happy building and flying
gang.
Regards,
Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
MyKitPlane.com
EAA 665957
gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=43
"What's the hurry? Are you afraid I won't come back?"
Manfred von Richthofen, 'The Red Baron,' last recorded words, in reply to
a request for an autograph as he was climbing into the cockpit of his plane.
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| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
Ed,
I will send you a good copy of the eismann catalog and maintenance
instructions. give me your address again.
Also, what is the model of the "industrial" bendix mag?
chris
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ed
Grentzer
Subject: Pietenpol-List: LA-4 Magnetos
Can anyone tell me if all Eiseman LA-4 magnetos are configured the same
or are there variations that I need to look for. My Franklin had one good
one on it when I bought it,the other one was replaced with a bendix
industrial engine mag that is in really bad shape. I would like to try to
find a matching Eiseman at Sun N Fun next week but dont want to come home
with something that wont fit. I was going to go with a brand new Slick set
up but my engine costs are getting out of hand. Also if anyone in the group
has one they would like to sell that would work too. Thanks in advance Ed
Grentzer
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| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
| Subject: | Plywood Question... |
Thanks, Wayne, for the piece of mind. -Gary
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne
> McIntosh
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 7:04 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood Question...
>
>
>
>
> Gary,
> I think most of us use it and it works fine.
> Wayne McIntosh
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com>
> To: "Pietenpol Group"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plywood Question...
>
>
>
> >
> > I just ordered some of the Finnish plywood from AS&S. It is for my rib
> > gussets. Has anyone else worked with it? I like the look of
> Mahogany, but
> > the ribs are hidden anyway. Just curious if anyone knows much about the
> > wood. Thanks gang.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
> > MyKitPlane.com
> > EAA 665957
> > gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com
> > http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=43
> >
> > "What's the hurry? Are you afraid I won't come back?"
> >
> > Manfred von Richthofen, 'The Red Baron,' last recorded words,
> in reply to
> > a request for an autograph as he was climbing into the cockpit of his
> plane.
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | Wizzard187(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: slick 447 mags |
Does anyone know anything about 447 slick mags. They are bigger than the
small throw away ones and where can I get a manual or parts list?
Ken in rainy Iowa
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| From: | "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | G-BUCO on Discovery Wings.... |
Well, not exactly a feature on Piets from the UK but pretty cool. They've
finished building the RV on From the Ground Up and tonite started a series
of building a kit plane for the beginner (or something like that). Then
during the talk they show a lot of clips of planes landing, etc at a PFA
rally in the UK.
Well, at least three times they showed a nice shot G-BUCO
(http://www.flyerworld.com/Shenty/ukaircampers/gbuco.htm) doing a touch down
and landing and it was EXCELLENT! Then they go on to choose some kit plane
to build. I don't know (or really care, actually) which one they chose,
when I saw their choices and the Pietenpol wasn't one of them I gave up and
went to the garage.
If you have Discovery Wings, at least watch episode one....watching Alan's
Pietenpol land is great!
jm
Plano, TX
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| From: | "TWINBOOM" <TWINBOOM(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Pietepol Adventure |
Hey gents,
Tonight I read a story of Steve Eldredge's flight to Broadhead, and
then to Oshkosh, and then back to his hometown. What a read!! If you
guys have some time check it out. Stories like these that you all post,
are the kinds of things that keep the dream alive for those of us who
are just starting out. Thanks,
Doug B.
P.S. Check out Steve's story at http://aircamper.byu.edu/Piet.htm .
Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn
ArrowBear Lake Ca.
Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca. http://inlandsloperebels.com
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| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: slick 447 mags |
Sure Mr. Conrad,
Just e-mail Harry Fenton at harry(at)unisonindustries.com for information. I
have feeling that you will not find too many parts for that mag.
Cy Galley - Webmaster Chapter 75
http://members.tripod.com/~EAA_Chapter_75
----- Original Message -----
From: <Wizzard187(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: slick 447 mags
Does anyone know anything about 447 slick mags. They are bigger than the
small throw away ones and where can I get a manual or parts list?
Ken in rainy Iowa
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| From: | "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fabric system test - open for input/samples |
Kirk,
I disagree with some of the suggestions to test on a piece of fabric, it's
the fabric that you are trying to protect from the UV. The UV light should
be completely blocked before it gets to the fabric, so unless there is a
concern for the fabric on the wing bottom, what's the point in testing what
passes through the paint AND fabric.
To test a "certified" system, I think I have one of those PolyFiber sample
kits and never opened the PolyBrush. The kit is a few years old and the
PolyTak is history, but you are welcome to the rest. If you are interested,
give me your address and I'll send it.
Robert Haines
Du Quoin, Illinois
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| Subject: | Pietepol Adventure |
| From: | "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu> |
Glad you liked it! I still amuse myself by reliving that trip often.
I'd like to do it again someday. One of the highlights of my life so
far.
Steve Eldredge
-----Original Message-----
From: TWINBOOM [mailto:TWINBOOM(at)email.msn.com]
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietepol Adventure
Hey gents,
Tonight I read a story of Steve Eldredge's flight to Broadhead, and
then to Oshkosh, and then back to his hometown. What a read!! If you
guys have some time check it out. Stories like these that you all post,
are the kinds of things that keep the dream alive for those of us who
are just starting out. Thanks,
Doug B.
P.S. Check out Steve's story at http://aircamper.byu.edu/Piet.htm .
Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn
ArrowBear Lake Ca.
Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca. http://inlandsloperebels.com
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http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list
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| From: | "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard(at)titan.com> |
| Subject: | Fabric system test - open for input/samples |
There's no silver (or other UV block) on the bottom side of the fabric.
Anything that gets through to the lowermost strands of fabric will exit the
test sample and get counted.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Haines [mailto:robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com]
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric system test - open for input/samples
Kirk,
I disagree with some of the suggestions to test on a piece of fabric, it's
the fabric that you are trying to protect from the UV. The UV light should
be completely blocked before it gets to the fabric, so unless there is a
concern for the fabric on the wing bottom, what's the point in testing what
passes through the paint AND fabric.
To test a "certified" system, I think I have one of those PolyFiber sample
kits and never opened the PolyBrush. The kit is a few years old and the
PolyTak is history, but you are welcome to the rest. If you are interested,
give me your address and I'll send it.
Robert Haines
Du Quoin, Illinois
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pietepol Adventure |
In a message dated 4/8/02 3:36:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, steve(at)byu.edu
writes:
<< Glad you liked it! I still amuse myself by reliving that trip often.
I'd like to do it again someday. One of the highlights of my life so
far.
Steve Eldredge
>>
Next time it would be great to shoot some video of it !
Maybe get a sponsor and they could set you up with camera and at least some
gas money too !
Glad to see you made it through all the Olympic hassles there.
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric system test - open for input/samples |
Robert,
I agree with you and never planned on testing the paint on the
fabric. The only thing I may do with fabric is to do a small mock up
through poly-spray and/or black latex to get an idea of thickness of
paint on a final product before a color coat. Then I may be able to
get close to that thickness on the quartz plate. No promises, but I'm
sure if I made the paint thick enough for the test it would
eventually absorb all the UV and give and incorrect/unrealistic
reading.
Thanks for the offer on the kit. I'll email you my address off-list.
Thanks
Kirk
>
>
>Kirk,
>
>I disagree with some of the suggestions to test on a piece of fabric, it's
>the fabric that you are trying to protect from the UV. The UV light should
>be completely blocked before it gets to the fabric, so unless there is a
>concern for the fabric on the wing bottom, what's the point in testing what
>passes through the paint AND fabric.
>
>To test a "certified" system, I think I have one of those PolyFiber sample
>kits and never opened the PolyBrush. The kit is a few years old and the
>PolyTak is history, but you are welcome to the rest. If you are interested,
>give me your address and I'll send it.
>
>Robert Haines
>Du Quoin, Illinois
>
--
Kirk Huizenga and Bryan Eastep's Aircamper and Corvair Project
http://www.photoisland.com/servlet/GuestLogin?USERNAME=khuizenga
Password: fly
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| Subject: | Fabric system test - open for input/samples |
Gene,
You are correct, but so is Robert. You're right that any UV making it
through the fabric would be counted and obviously indicate that the
protection system is unsatisfactory. The problem arises that it is
possible for UV light to make it through the paint and into the
fabric where it is absorbed and doesn't show up (a false negative).
Now this may be very unlikely, but for a valid test I think I'll stay
away from it.
Another way to think of it is if the fabric were "naked", but 10 feet
thick - it is unlikely that any UV would make it through that much
material, but the first inch or two would decay fairly rapidly. Just
because no UV made it through doesn't mean it is not being damaged at
a partial thickness.
Thanks for the input
Kirk
>
>There's no silver (or other UV block) on the bottom side of the fabric.
>Anything that gets through to the lowermost strands of fabric will exit the
>test sample and get counted.
>
>Gene
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert Haines [mailto:robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com]
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric system test - open for input/samples
>
>
>
>
>Kirk,
>
>I disagree with some of the suggestions to test on a piece of fabric, it's
>the fabric that you are trying to protect from the UV. The UV light should
>be completely blocked before it gets to the fabric, so unless there is a
>concern for the fabric on the wing bottom, what's the point in testing what
>passes through the paint AND fabric.
>
>To test a "certified" system, I think I have one of those PolyFiber sample
>kits and never opened the PolyBrush. The kit is a few years old and the
>PolyTak is history, but you are welcome to the rest. If you are interested,
>give me your address and I'll send it.
>
>Robert Haines
>Du Quoin, Illinois
>
>
--
Kirk Huizenga and Bryan Eastep's Aircamper and Corvair Project
http://www.photoisland.com/servlet/GuestLogin?USERNAME=khuizenga
Password: fly
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "TWINBOOM" <TWINBOOM(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Buying unfinished Piets |
Hello all,
I came across one of the entires on the link Mike Cuy suggested in
his "For Sale" post last week. I found a Piet with in 75 miles from my
home, that might be worth looking at. I tried to find "used Piets" ect
in the archives, but was unable to come up with a specific question as
such, so present it to the group. From the discussion a few weeks back,
I remember about checking for square/trueness, break test pieces of wood
with glue used. This is a rolling fuse with an engine installed already.
Any suggestions you could send my way privately so as not to take up
archive space. Thanks,
Doug B. Wannabe Piet builder
If anyone is intrested in The Fisherman's progress, check his last entry
on 4/7/02 at
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/retired/pietpage6.html .
Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn
ArrowBear Lake Ca.
Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca. http://inlandsloperebels.com
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| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
Here are some of the old BPA articles scanned in. They are Word docs until
they can be converted to PDF. Done by Jim Markle. Thanks Jim.
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList.cfm?Menu=FileLibrary
Regards,
Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
MyKitPlane.com
EAA 665957
gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=43
"What's the hurry? Are you afraid I won't come back?"
Manfred von Richthofen, 'The Red Baron,' last recorded words, in reply to
a request for an autograph as he was climbing into the cockpit of his plane.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DJ Vegh" <aircamper(at)imagedv.com> |
| Subject: | Continental GPU engines |
Does anyone know the nomenclature for Continental's GPU version of the C-85
or O-200? I'm trying to find a Military surplus GPU engine, but the GPU
version has a different model no./name.
I've been looking for the past few days and have come across nothing. I've
found several places that sell Continental engines, but none of them know if
they are C-85/O-200 clones.
DJ
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe-Home" <moejoe(at)comcast.net> |
I recently sold my RV8 kit, and I've got some aviation tools for sale, if
anyone is interested.
They are listed at:
http://www.tabshred.com/moe/avery.htm
Thanks,
Moe Colontonio
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fabric system test - open for input/samples |
><kirkh@unique-software.com>
>
>Robert,
>
>I agree with you and never planned on testing the paint on the
>fabric. The only thing I may do with fabric is to do a small mock up
>through poly-spray and/or black latex to get an idea of thickness of
>paint on a final product before a color coat. Then I may be able to
>get close to that thickness on the quartz plate. No promises, but I'm
>sure if I made the paint thick enough for the test it would
>eventually absorb all the UV and give and incorrect/unrealistic
>reading.
>
>Thanks for the offer on the kit. I'll email you my address off-list.
>
>Thanks
>Kirk
Kirk,
This is basically what I had in mind when I made the suggestion in the
first place, I guess. My concern was that paint applied directly to the
quartz would not be representative of the same paint applied to fabric.
I've done some work with UV systems & quartz can be a little funny when it
comes to sticking stuff to it. Robert is of course correct that the fabric
might absorb UV on it's own, but that could be tested too. I imagine there
is some absorbance, although I don't know if absorbance per se is what
damages the fabric. Some forms of radiation damage materials with 100%
transmission of the radiation through the material.
Looking forward to your results!
Kip Gardner
426 Schneider St. SE
North Canton, OH 44720
(330) 494-1775
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mark boynton <marktboynton(at)yahoo.com> |
Chris House,
Are you out there? Does anyone remember Chris's
e-mail address. I searched the archives (he has
changed his address lately - no longer
ignitor(at)qwest.net).
Thanks,
Mark Boynton
Gilbert, AZ
http://taxes.yahoo.com/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
| Subject: | Continental GPU engines |
There was one on Ebay for sale recently, but I think the bidding ended. Look
in the archive, there were some good replies to this question, maybe not
exactly the answers to your questions, but close. Also, it takes a lot of
work and money to make one airworthy - again, according to the emails I
received.
-Gary
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 2:19 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental GPU engines
>
>
> Does anyone know the nomenclature for Continental's GPU version
> of the C-85
> or O-200? I'm trying to find a Military surplus GPU engine, but the GPU
> version has a different model no./name.
>
> I've been looking for the past few days and have come across
> nothing. I've
> found several places that sell Continental engines, but none of
> them know if
> they are C-85/O-200 clones.
>
> DJ
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
Pieters,
Received my quarterly BPA Newsletter and wish to compliment the editors for a
informative edition. Earlier in my building process I was concerned about the
underside of the leading edge as to its surface strength. I posted this
several times on this net only to be assured that it was not necessary to
provide any underneath support on the leading edge. I accepted this as fact
and built on.
Today after examination of the Pietenpol on the front page of the BPA
Newsletter I seem to see the leading edge undersurface. Are my eyes getting
bad or what?
Anyone care to comment on this?
Corky in La with naked underside leading edges.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jackphillips(at)earthlink.net> |
Hi Corky,
I'm in the process of putting the plywood on my leading edges right now.
I'm just planning to put it on the top surface, as the plans show.
Jack in North Carolina
Dogwoods and Azaleas in bloom
Nothing could be Finer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading Edge
Pieters,
Received my quarterly BPA Newsletter and wish to compliment the editors for
a
informative edition. Earlier in my building process I was concerned about
the
underside of the leading edge as to its surface strength. I posted this
several times on this net only to be assured that it was not necessary to
provide any underneath support on the leading edge. I accepted this as fact
and built on.
Today after examination of the Pietenpol on the front page of the BPA
Newsletter I seem to see the leading edge undersurface. Are my eyes getting
bad or what?
Anyone care to comment on this?
Corky in La with naked underside leading edges.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | clif <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
I made a trip over to Victoria( Vancouver Island, B.C., Canada)
on the excuse of a birthday party. There's a little old
three generation field just on the south edge of the
Victoria International TCA called Butler-Holroyd. There
are two Piets there, one in the final stages with a
Ford B on it. The other, belonging to John Holroyd has
been flying for a long time and has a cont 85 on it.
John does a yearly easter egg drop then lands with
big bunny ears on. We got to see it this weekend
because he was in New Zealand last weekend repairing
a bent Catalina.
His Piet does have the wing nose re-enforced for
about 6" back with alum. The tail braces are hardwire.
The "turnbuckles" are off a Tigermoth. The tail hinges
are the eyebolt type. Remember, this plane has been
flying like this for a LONG time. It was rebuilt in 72.
Also the wing struts are the front and back tubes
off a cub. Oh yes, the tail wheel is non stearing and
rotates 360. This thing handles great, on the ground
and in the air.
There is also an old Piet fuselage in another hanger,
VERY old, from the 30's. Then the wings were pointed
out to me. An early attempt at 3 panel construction.
I was very surprised at the method of joining the outer
panels to the center. Picture the brackets shown on
the plans. Now move the end where the bolt goes
completely below the wing. Then cut the ends off flush
with the face of that last rib. Now weld a plate between
the two ends also flush with end rib. Repeat this on the
top of the wing panel and the center section it butts
against. Drill holes in all of these end pieces and bolt
the whole thing together with 4 bolts( two spars).
Now repeat on the other wing panel to make a rigid
"one piece" wing. Ouch!
This thing flew for years and the parts look undamaged.
So it obviousely worked. Amazing isn't it.
I hope these observations will be of some help as I've
seen concern on these issues in the list. Clif
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Craig Williams" <cwilliams(at)amteccontrol.com> |
| Subject: | From South Carolina |
Just wanted to say hello to the group and let you know there is another
builder in here. I'm in the process of building a long, fir, 3 piece
version. I've been working a few months and have the tail finish and am
waiting on my longeron material for the fuselage. Also have the spar
material on order.
Bought a set of 32 ribs from a gentleman from Indiana at Sun & Fun. I
haven't checked the drawings but I thought it was an odd number of ribs
that were required ??? They really are a nice set and I could not build
them for what he was asking for them. Also picked up a nice tailwheel &
compass. Looked at some airspeed indicators & altimeters. Looks like the
best buy is from the ultralite vendors. You can actually purchase (with
a warranty) some of the lower end gages for what you pay for a faded
used one.
Met a gentleman at Sun & Fun named Mr. Wise from Orlando that had a
older piet. Had a neat landing gear arrangement that used the fenders as
brakes. Lot's of good ideas were gathered from this piet being it was
the first completed piet I had put my hands on.
There was a Travelair next to his that was owned by a Gene Rambo. Is
this the same Gene Rambo that posts here ??
Lunch is over and I have to get back to work. Thanks to all the fine
people I have met here and lets keep this thing going.
Take care all and be safe,
Craig Williams
Neeses, SC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dick and Marge Gillespie" <dickmarg(at)peganet.com> |
| Subject: | Powder-coating hollow metal struts, etc. |
When you have hollow metal (4130) lift struts that have linseed oil on
the inside for rust prevention, what happens to it, the preservative,
if the struts are powder-coated and the ovens are at 400 degrees? I
asked a local shop and they didn't have an answer. The struts are open
at both ends.
DickG.
Ft. Myers, FL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard(at)titan.com> |
I think I remember that the leading edge sheath wraps around to the bottom
on the Grega plans. Do any GN-1 builders want to comment?
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips [mailto:jackphillips(at)earthlink.net]
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Leading Edge
Hi Corky,
I'm in the process of putting the plywood on my leading edges right now.
I'm just planning to put it on the top surface, as the plans show.
Jack in North Carolina
Dogwoods and Azaleas in bloom
Nothing could be Finer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading Edge
Pieters,
Received my quarterly BPA Newsletter and wish to compliment the editors for
a
informative edition. Earlier in my building process I was concerned about
the
underside of the leading edge as to its surface strength. I posted this
several times on this net only to be assured that it was not necessary to
provide any underneath support on the leading edge. I accepted this as fact
and built on.
Today after examination of the Pietenpol on the front page of the BPA
Newsletter I seem to see the leading edge undersurface. Are my eyes getting
bad or what?
Anyone care to comment on this?
Corky in La with naked underside leading edges.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DJ Vegh" <aircamper(at)imagedv.com> |
the GN-1 plans show the L.E. skin wrapping a few inches under the bottom.
DJ Vegh
Mesa, AZ
GN-1 Builder
www.raptoronline.com
N74DV
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Hubbard,
Eugene
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Leading Edge
I think I remember that the leading edge sheath wraps around to the bottom
on the Grega plans. Do any GN-1 builders want to comment?
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Powder-coating hollow metal struts, etc. |
| From: | "D.Dale Johnson" <dd5john(at)juno.com> |
Hi Dick
At 400 degrees the oil will just melt and run out. Keep it away from any
open flames.
Just add new oil when the powder coating is done. Don't forget to add
brackets for
the Jury struts before you powder coat the struts.
Dale Mpls
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mark Tracy" <mtracy(at)psft.com> |
| Subject: | Powder-coating hollow metal struts, etc. |
I have not had the opportunity to see an Air Camper in person, but do love
the airplane for it's simplicity. I would like to build one, but have
concerns on size. I am 6'1, 190 lbs.
Will the standard Pietenpol Air Camper fit, or would it be better to
lengthen the fuselage.
Thanks for any input.
Mark Tracy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of D.Dale
Johnson
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Powder-coating hollow metal struts, etc.
Hi Dick
At 400 degrees the oil will just melt and run out. Keep it away from any
open flames.
Just add new oil when the powder coating is done. Don't forget to add
brackets for
the Jury struts before you powder coat the struts.
Dale Mpls
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DJ Vegh" <aircamper(at)imagedv.com> |
| Subject: | Tall people & Air Campers |
I'm 6'4" and 195lb. I lengthened my fuse (a GN-1) a total of 3" In doing so
I moved the rear seat back 2.25", moved the firewall forward 1.5" and the
tail post back 1.5" I also widened mine to 24.75" outside dimension at
the rear panel.
This combination gives me a very comfortable fuselage. The thing that kills
you if your tall is your knees hit the underside of the panel when entering
the cockpit. The extra couple inches doesn't sound like much but makes a
huge difference.
Incidentally, I aquired a nearly complete GN-1 last week. It was built to
plans and is a tight fit for me, and getting in the rear hole is almost
impossible.... BUT, once inside it's not too bad. I bought it mainly for
all the hardware and metal parts.... what I'll do with the airframe I'm not
yet certain. My R/C buddies are trying to convince me to build a 1:1 scale
R/C Aircamper. I've seen a 75% scale R/C Cub before so I suppose it could
be done.... I may give that some thought!
I have loads of pictures on my site.... and just uploaded several of my
new GN-1 Air Camper
www.raptoronline.com
DJ Vegh
Mesa, AZ
GN-1 Builder
www.raptoronline.com
N74DV
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark
Tracy
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Powder-coating hollow metal struts, etc.
I have not had the opportunity to see an Air Camper in person, but do love
the airplane for it's simplicity. I would like to build one, but have
concerns on size. I am 6'1, 190 lbs.
Will the standard Pietenpol Air Camper fit, or would it be better to
lengthen the fuselage.
Thanks for any input.
Mark Tracy
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Powder-coating hollow metal struts, etc. |
In a message dated 4/10/02 7:06:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mtracy(at)psft.com
writes:
<< I have not had the opportunity to see an Air Camper in person, but do love
the airplane for it's simplicity. I would like to build one, but have
concerns on size. I am 6'1, 190 lbs.
Will the standard Pietenpol Air Camper fit, or would it be better to
lengthen the fuselage >>
Take one of several ways to do this:
1. Find a Piet to see in person
2. Get the Flying and Glider manual, its got dimensions of cockpit.
3. Get someone to send you a snapshot of the cockpit portion of plans. then
build up a mockup out of Pine and plywood, and sit in it (dreaming of course)
!
Lengthening fuselage is not for the purpose of the pilot, but to get the
weight and balance correct if you use lighter engine than the Ford Model A.
Decide what engine your gonna use, then choosed fuselage length. Most are
building the long version, planning on using either Corvair or C85, C90 or
something like it for an engine.
There is another option for the wing too. One piece or 3 piece.
-dennis the menace
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Tall people & Air Campers |
In a message dated 4/10/02 8:39:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
aircamper(at)imagedv.com writes:
<< My R/C buddies are trying to convince me to build a 1:1 scale
R/C Aircamper. I've seen a 75% scale R/C Cub before so I suppose it could
be done.... I may give that some thought!
>>
Or cut it down and make a 50% scale ?
By the way, I enjoyed the web pages you have on the building of the Citation.
I too am into RC modeling, have a 1/5 scale Cub, and have built the airframe
and wings for 1/4 scale Piet. Not covered yet tho.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Leading Edge |
In a message dated 4/9/02 6:42:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Isablcorky(at)aol.com writes:
> Pieters,
> Received my quarterly BPA Newsletter and wish to compliment the editors for
> a
> informative edition. Earlier in my building process I was concerned about
> the
> underside of the leading edge as to its surface strength. I posted this
> several times on this net only to be assured that it was not necessary to
> provide any underneath support on the leading edge. I accepted this as fact
>
> and built on.
> Today after examination of the Pietenpol on the front page of the BPA
> Newsletter I seem to see the leading edge undersurface. Are my eyes getting
>
> bad or what?
> Anyone care to comment on this?
> Corky in La with naked underside leading edges.
>
>
Corky,
I spent hours hovering around that very fine plane last fall at the AAA
fly-in in Blakesburg, Iowa. It does not have plywood on the bottom of the
leading edge even though it may appear that way. The wing is covered in
Dacron with clear UV ; looks great too. Hope this answers your question.
Doug Bryant
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | catdesigns(at)juno.com |
Mark:
I'm 6'1 but only 150 pounds and I seem to fit in the Long Fuselage. I
have small feet but most of the people my/our size do not like the rudder
bar. Mine is not installed yet so I don't know if I will use it or not.
The best suggestion is to build the mockup and try it on. Vi Capler is
like 6'4" and close to 200 pounds and he fits in a Pietenpol.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
P.S. you have a great last name
>
> I have not had the opportunity to see an Air Camper in person, but
> do love
> the airplane for it's simplicity. I would like to build one, but
> have
> concerns on size. I am 6'1, 190 lbs.
>
> Will the standard Pietenpol Air Camper fit, or would it be better
> to
> lengthen the fuselage.
>
> Thanks for any input.
>
> Mark Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> D.Dale
> Johnson
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Powder-coating hollow metal struts,
> etc.
>
>
>
>
> Hi Dick
> At 400 degrees the oil will just melt and run out. Keep it away from
> any
> open flames.
> Just add new oil when the powder coating is done. Don't forget to
> add
> brackets for
> the Jury struts before you powder coat the struts.
> Dale Mpls
>
>
>
>
> messages.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael Brusilow" <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Powder-coating hollow metal struts, etc. |
-----
I have not had the opportunity to see an Air Camper in person, but do
love
the airplane for it's simplicity. I would like to build one, but have
concerns on size. I am 6'1, 190 lbs.
Will the standard Pietenpol Air Camper fit, or would it be better to
lengthen the fuselage.
Thanks for any input.
Mark Tracy
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I am about your size. I built the long fuselage & I have no problem,
although I did lower the seat & enlarge the bulkhead cutouts.
Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "hallstenokc" <hallstenokc(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tall people & Air Campers |
DJ,
Great to see pictures, nice close ups of the gear. Fisherman needs to see your
tail feather wires!
I'm jealous!!
Kent "Ribs 'R Us" Hallsten
Oklahoma City
> huge difference.
>
> Incidentally, I aquired a nearly complete GN-1 last week. It was built to
> plans and is a tight fit for me, and getting in the rear hole is almost
> impossible.... BUT, once inside it's not too bad. I bought it mainly for
> all the hardware and metal parts.... what I'll do with the airframe I'm not
> yet certain. My R/C buddies are trying to convince me to build a 1:1 scale
> R/C Aircamper. I've seen a 75% scale R/C Cub before so I suppose it could
> be done.... I may give that some thought!
>
> I have loads of pictures on my site.... and just uploaded several of my
> new GN-1 Air Camper
>
> www.raptoronline.com
>
> DJ Vegh
> Mesa, AZ
> GN-1 Builder
> www.raptoronline.com
> N74DV
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "hallstenokc" <hallstenokc(at)cox.net> |
Yes, thanks Jim! I'm having fun and learning a bit from this. Now I suppose
the smart thing to do is sign up for the newsletter.
Kent Hallsten
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: BPA Scans
>
> Here are some of the old BPA articles scanned in. They are Word docs until
> they can be converted to PDF. Done by Jim Markle. Thanks Jim.
>
> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList.cfm?Menu=FileLibrary
>
> Regards,
>
> Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
> MyKitPlane.com
> EAA 665957
> gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com
> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=43
>
> "What's the hurry? Are you afraid I won't come back?"
>
> Manfred von Richthofen, 'The Red Baron,' last recorded words, in reply to
> a request for an autograph as he was climbing into the cockpit of his plane.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brants" <tmbrant(at)uswest.net> |
Anyone know where I might trade an engine that I have. It's a Ford 289
(not purchased for use in an airplane of course). It's never been
rebuilt, has 4 barrel heads and the majority of the accessories (cores)
and brackets. Currently the block hangs from an engine stand in my
basement. I'm looking to get a Corvair or something else that could be
of use for the Piet. I was going to build a 65' mustang at one time but
my interest in aviation took priority.
Tom Brant, MPLS
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dick and Marge Gillespie" <dickmarg(at)peganet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Powder-coating hollow metal struts, etc. |
Thanks Dale.
DickG.
----- Original Message -----
From: "D.Dale Johnson" <dd5john(at)juno.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Powder-coating hollow metal struts, etc.
>
> Hi Dick
> At 400 degrees the oil will just melt and run out. Keep it away from any
> open flames.
> Just add new oil when the powder coating is done. Don't forget to add
> brackets for
> the Jury struts before you powder coat the struts.
> Dale Mpls
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: engine trade??? |
the twin cities have a big publication called the auto
trader. just advertise it in there, and sell it
outright. or ebay, or at one of many numerous car
shows in this area this summer.
Del=new richmond wi
--- Brants wrote:
>
>
> Anyone know where I might trade an engine that I
> have. It's a Ford 289
> (not purchased for use in an airplane of course).
> It's never been
> rebuilt, has 4 barrel heads and the majority of the
> accessories (cores)
> and brackets. Currently the block hangs from an
> engine stand in my
> basement. I'm looking to get a Corvair or something
> else that could be
> of use for the Piet. I was going to build a 65'
> mustang at one time but
> my interest in aviation took priority.
>
> Tom Brant, MPLS
>
>
>
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>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mark Tracy" <mtracy(at)psft.com> |
Thank you everybody for your input on the Piet and pilot size. Sounds like I
won't have too many worries about fitting. I think I'll take the advice of
getting ahold of the Flying and Glider Manual and check out the cockpit
dimensions.
Mark Tracy
mtracy@prosoft-technology.com
Prosoft Technology, Inc.
9801 Camino Media Ste. 105
Bakersfield, CA 93311
Ph: 661-664-7208
Fax: 661-664-7233
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
catdesigns(at)juno.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tall people.
Mark:
I'm 6'1 but only 150 pounds and I seem to fit in the Long Fuselage. I
have small feet but most of the people my/our size do not like the rudder
bar. Mine is not installed yet so I don't know if I will use it or not.
The best suggestion is to build the mockup and try it on. Vi Capler is
like 6'4" and close to 200 pounds and he fits in a Pietenpol.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
P.S. you have a great last name
>
> I have not had the opportunity to see an Air Camper in person, but
> do love
> the airplane for it's simplicity. I would like to build one, but
> have
> concerns on size. I am 6'1, 190 lbs.
>
> Will the standard Pietenpol Air Camper fit, or would it be better
> to
> lengthen the fuselage.
>
> Thanks for any input.
>
> Mark Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> D.Dale
> Johnson
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Powder-coating hollow metal struts,
> etc.
>
>
>
>
> Hi Dick
> At 400 degrees the oil will just melt and run out. Keep it away from
> any
> open flames.
> Just add new oil when the powder coating is done. Don't forget to
> add
> brackets for
> the Jury struts before you powder coat the struts.
> Dale Mpls
>
>
> messages.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
If you get the magazine Sport Aviation, you can order the 1932 Flying and Glider
manual from the EAA. There is a 1/3 page ad in the latest issue. If you need
more information, I can post it later. Cost is about $6. Has the complete (un-updated)
plans, but get you close enough to know if this is the plane for you.
Pretty cool articles on the Piet and other planes.
-Gary
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Mark Tracy" <mtracy(at)psft.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:06:49 -0700
>
>Thank you everybody for your input on the Piet and pilot size. Sounds like I
>won't have too many worries about fitting. I think I'll take the advice of
>getting ahold of the Flying and Glider Manual and check out the cockpit
>dimensions.
>
>Mark Tracy
>mtracy@prosoft-technology.com
>Prosoft Technology, Inc.
>9801 Camino Media Ste. 105
>Bakersfield, CA 93311
>Ph: 661-664-7208
>Fax: 661-664-7233
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>catdesigns(at)juno.com
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tall people.
>
>
>Mark:
>I'm 6'1 but only 150 pounds and I seem to fit in the Long Fuselage. I
>have small feet but most of the people my/our size do not like the rudder
>bar. Mine is not installed yet so I don't know if I will use it or not.
>The best suggestion is to build the mockup and try it on. Vi Capler is
>like 6'4" and close to 200 pounds and he fits in a Pietenpol.
>
>Chris Tracy
>Sacramento, CA
>P.S. you have a great last name
>
>>
>> I have not had the opportunity to see an Air Camper in person, but
>> do love
>> the airplane for it's simplicity. I would like to build one, but
>> have
>> concerns on size. I am 6'1, 190 lbs.
>>
>> Will the standard Pietenpol Air Camper fit, or would it be better
>> to
>> lengthen the fuselage.
>>
>> Thanks for any input.
>>
>> Mark Tracy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>> D.Dale
>> Johnson
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Powder-coating hollow metal struts,
>> etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Dick
>> At 400 degrees the oil will just melt and run out. Keep it away from
>> any
>> open flames.
>> Just add new oil when the powder coating is done. Don't forget to
>> add
>> brackets for
>> the Jury struts before you powder coat the struts.
>> Dale Mpls
>>
>>
>> messages.
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | I just added Issue 61..... |
All of it.....in pdf format......enjoy. More when the mood hits me....:-)
Here are some of the old BPA articles scanned in. They are Word docs until
they can be converted to PDF. Done by Jim Markle. Thanks Jim.
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList.cfm?Menu=FileLibrary
Regards,
Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DonanClara(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Plywood Question... |
In a message dated 04/06/2002 1:06:49 AM Central Daylight Time,
gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com writes:
<< I just ordered some of the Finnish plywood from AS&S. It is for my rib
gussets. Has anyone else worked with it? >>
Yep..works great ! Don
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mark Tracy" <mtracy(at)psft.com> |
Gary,
Thanks for the info. At the moment, I am not an EAA member, so don't have
the magazine. If you could send me the ordering info, I would appreciate it
greatly.
Mark Tracy
mtracy@prosoft-technology.com
Prosoft Technology, Inc.
9801 Camino Media Ste. 105
Bakersfield, CA 93311
Ph: 661-664-7208
Fax: 661-664-7233
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary
McNeel, Jr.
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tall people.
If you get the magazine Sport Aviation, you can order the 1932 Flying and
Glider manual from the EAA. There is a 1/3 page ad in the latest issue. If
you need more information, I can post it later. Cost is about $6. Has the
complete (un-updated) plans, but get you close enough to know if this is the
plane for you. Pretty cool articles on the Piet and other planes.
-Gary
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Mark Tracy" <mtracy(at)psft.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:06:49 -0700
>
>Thank you everybody for your input on the Piet and pilot size. Sounds like
I
>won't have too many worries about fitting. I think I'll take the advice of
>getting ahold of the Flying and Glider Manual and check out the cockpit
>dimensions.
>
>Mark Tracy
>mtracy@prosoft-technology.com
>Prosoft Technology, Inc.
>9801 Camino Media Ste. 105
>Bakersfield, CA 93311
>Ph: 661-664-7208
>Fax: 661-664-7233
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>catdesigns(at)juno.com
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tall people.
>
>
>Mark:
>I'm 6'1 but only 150 pounds and I seem to fit in the Long Fuselage. I
>have small feet but most of the people my/our size do not like the rudder
>bar. Mine is not installed yet so I don't know if I will use it or not.
>The best suggestion is to build the mockup and try it on. Vi Capler is
>like 6'4" and close to 200 pounds and he fits in a Pietenpol.
>
>Chris Tracy
>Sacramento, CA
>P.S. you have a great last name
>
>>
>> I have not had the opportunity to see an Air Camper in person, but
>> do love
>> the airplane for it's simplicity. I would like to build one, but
>> have
>> concerns on size. I am 6'1, 190 lbs.
>>
>> Will the standard Pietenpol Air Camper fit, or would it be better
>> to
>> lengthen the fuselage.
>>
>> Thanks for any input.
>>
>> Mark Tracy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>> D.Dale
>> Johnson
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Powder-coating hollow metal struts,
>> etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Dick
>> At 400 degrees the oil will just melt and run out. Keep it away from
>> any
>> open flames.
>> Just add new oil when the powder coating is done. Don't forget to
>> add
>> brackets for
>> the Jury struts before you powder coat the struts.
>> Dale Mpls
>>
>>
>> messages.
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "D.Dale Johnson" <dd5john(at)juno.com> |
I show Chris e-mail at
bobka(at)charter.net
Dale Mpls
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
| Subject: | Flying and Glider Manuals - was Tall people. |
Here you go Mark and group.
1-800-843-3612 or 920-426-5912 or possibly online at www.eaa.org.
Non-members price $6.95 and members $5.95
p/n year covered
1929 F-14167
1930 F-14168
1931 F-14169
1932 F-14170
1933 F-14171
Combo set F-14172
Mail order:
EAA Mail Orders
PO Box 3086
Oshkosh, WI 54903-3086
Gary
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark
> Tracy
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 4:21 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tall people.
>
>
> Gary,
>
> Thanks for the info. At the moment, I am not an EAA member, so don't have
> the magazine. If you could send me the ordering info, I would
> appreciate it
> greatly.
>
> Mark Tracy
> mtracy@prosoft-technology.com
> Prosoft Technology, Inc.
> 9801 Camino Media Ste. 105
> Bakersfield, CA 93311
> Ph: 661-664-7208
> Fax: 661-664-7233
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary
> McNeel, Jr.
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tall people.
>
>
>
>
> If you get the magazine Sport Aviation, you can order the 1932 Flying and
> Glider manual from the EAA. There is a 1/3 page ad in the latest issue. If
> you need more information, I can post it later. Cost is about $6. Has the
> complete (un-updated) plans, but get you close enough to know if
> this is the
> plane for you. Pretty cool articles on the Piet and other planes.
>
> -Gary
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Mark Tracy" <mtracy(at)psft.com>
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:06:49 -0700
>
> >
> >Thank you everybody for your input on the Piet and pilot size.
> Sounds like
> I
> >won't have too many worries about fitting. I think I'll take the
> advice of
> >getting ahold of the Flying and Glider Manual and check out the cockpit
> >dimensions.
> >
> >Mark Tracy
> >mtracy@prosoft-technology.com
> >Prosoft Technology, Inc.
> >9801 Camino Media Ste. 105
> >Bakersfield, CA 93311
> >Ph: 661-664-7208
> >Fax: 661-664-7233
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> >catdesigns(at)juno.com
> >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tall people.
> >
> >
> >
> >Mark:
> >I'm 6'1 but only 150 pounds and I seem to fit in the Long Fuselage. I
> >have small feet but most of the people my/our size do not like the rudder
> >bar. Mine is not installed yet so I don't know if I will use it or not.
> >The best suggestion is to build the mockup and try it on. Vi Capler is
> >like 6'4" and close to 200 pounds and he fits in a Pietenpol.
> >
> >Chris Tracy
> >Sacramento, CA
> >P.S. you have a great last name
> >
> >>
> >> I have not had the opportunity to see an Air Camper in person, but
> >> do love
> >> the airplane for it's simplicity. I would like to build one, but
> >> have
> >> concerns on size. I am 6'1, 190 lbs.
> >>
> >> Will the standard Pietenpol Air Camper fit, or would it be better
> >> to
> >> lengthen the fuselage.
> >>
> >> Thanks for any input.
> >>
> >> Mark Tracy
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> >> D.Dale
> >> Johnson
> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Powder-coating hollow metal struts,
> >> etc.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Dick
> >> At 400 degrees the oil will just melt and run out. Keep it away from
> >> any
> >> open flames.
> >> Just add new oil when the powder coating is done. Don't forget to
> >> add
> >> brackets for
> >> the Jury struts before you powder coat the struts.
> >> Dale Mpls
> >>
> >>
> >> messages.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mark Tracy" <mtracy(at)psft.com> |
| Subject: | Flying and Glider Manuals - was Tall people. |
Just ordered it online. Thanks.
Mark Tracy
mtracy@prosoft-technology.com
Prosoft Technology, Inc.
9801 Camino Media Ste. 105
Bakersfield, CA 93311
Ph: 661-664-7208
Fax: 661-664-7233
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary
McNeel, Jr.
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying and Glider Manuals - was Tall
people.
Here you go Mark and group.
1-800-843-3612 or 920-426-5912 or possibly online at www.eaa.org.
Non-members price $6.95 and members $5.95
p/n year covered
1929 F-14167
1930 F-14168
1931 F-14169
1932 F-14170
1933 F-14171
Combo set F-14172
Mail order:
EAA Mail Orders
PO Box 3086
Oshkosh, WI 54903-3086
Gary
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark
> Tracy
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 4:21 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tall people.
>
>
> Gary,
>
> Thanks for the info. At the moment, I am not an EAA member, so don't have
> the magazine. If you could send me the ordering info, I would
> appreciate it
> greatly.
>
> Mark Tracy
> mtracy@prosoft-technology.com
> Prosoft Technology, Inc.
> 9801 Camino Media Ste. 105
> Bakersfield, CA 93311
> Ph: 661-664-7208
> Fax: 661-664-7233
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary
> McNeel, Jr.
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tall people.
>
>
>
>
> If you get the magazine Sport Aviation, you can order the 1932 Flying and
> Glider manual from the EAA. There is a 1/3 page ad in the latest issue. If
> you need more information, I can post it later. Cost is about $6. Has the
> complete (un-updated) plans, but get you close enough to know if
> this is the
> plane for you. Pretty cool articles on the Piet and other planes.
>
> -Gary
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Mark Tracy" <mtracy(at)psft.com>
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:06:49 -0700
>
> >
> >Thank you everybody for your input on the Piet and pilot size.
> Sounds like
> I
> >won't have too many worries about fitting. I think I'll take the
> advice of
> >getting ahold of the Flying and Glider Manual and check out the cockpit
> >dimensions.
> >
> >Mark Tracy
> >mtracy@prosoft-technology.com
> >Prosoft Technology, Inc.
> >9801 Camino Media Ste. 105
> >Bakersfield, CA 93311
> >Ph: 661-664-7208
> >Fax: 661-664-7233
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> >catdesigns(at)juno.com
> >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tall people.
> >
> >
> >
> >Mark:
> >I'm 6'1 but only 150 pounds and I seem to fit in the Long Fuselage. I
> >have small feet but most of the people my/our size do not like the rudder
> >bar. Mine is not installed yet so I don't know if I will use it or not.
> >The best suggestion is to build the mockup and try it on. Vi Capler is
> >like 6'4" and close to 200 pounds and he fits in a Pietenpol.
> >
> >Chris Tracy
> >Sacramento, CA
> >P.S. you have a great last name
> >
> >>
> >> I have not had the opportunity to see an Air Camper in person, but
> >> do love
> >> the airplane for it's simplicity. I would like to build one, but
> >> have
> >> concerns on size. I am 6'1, 190 lbs.
> >>
> >> Will the standard Pietenpol Air Camper fit, or would it be better
> >> to
> >> lengthen the fuselage.
> >>
> >> Thanks for any input.
> >>
> >> Mark Tracy
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> >> D.Dale
> >> Johnson
> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Powder-coating hollow metal struts,
> >> etc.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Dick
> >> At 400 degrees the oil will just melt and run out. Keep it away from
> >> any
> >> open flames.
> >> Just add new oil when the powder coating is done. Don't forget to
> >> add
> >> brackets for
> >> the Jury struts before you powder coat the struts.
> >> Dale Mpls
> >>
> >>
> >> messages.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Flying and Glider Manuals - was Tall people. |
Pieters,
I have a couple of those manuals, one with the Scout in it and the other with
the air camper. I don't think I'll ever need them so if anyone wants them
without paying EAA those yankee prices just let me know and I'll exhibit some
real southern hospility and give them to you.
Corky in La living the greatest life with his bride Isabelle ( aYankee)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | flyboy_120(at)webtv.net (Ed G.) |
| Subject: | Cabane strut tubing size |
What size streamlined tubing is being used to replace the tubing called
out in the plans # 1667 If I remember right for the cabane struts . I
have a scrap of the
1 5/8 X .700 something but it looks kinda big when I hold it up to the
fuselage. The next size down costs $6.00 per foot more that it!!! So I
thought i would throw it out to the group. I checked the archives and
found nothing so maybe it's a good question to open up. Ed
Grentzer
BTW SunN Fun was awsome this year.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Powder-coating hollow metal struts, etc. |
Have the shop bake the struts to boil off the preservative oil. Then
powdercoat after cooling. Then after powdercoating is done, redo the oil
preservative.
chris Bobka
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dick and
Marge Gillespie
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Powder-coating hollow metal struts, etc.
When you have hollow metal (4130) lift struts that have linseed oil on
the inside for rust prevention, what happens to it, the preservative,
if the struts are powder-coated and the ovens are at 400 degrees? I
asked a local shop and they didn't have an answer. The struts are open
at both ends.
DickG.
Ft. Myers, FL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jackphillips(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Cabane strut tubing size |
Ed,
I just finished making my cabane struts, and used 1.685" x .741" for the
vertical struts and 1.349" x .571" for the diagonals that go to the motor
mounts. Aircraft Spruce wanted $18 a foot for the little stuff, and $11 a
foot for the bigger size. I ordered it from Dillsburg and got both sizes
for less than $10 a foot, and it arrived 2 days after I ordered it!
If you use the .741" wide tubing for the vertical struts, you may find as I
did that you will have to squeeze down the upper ends of the strut to get it
to fit in the centersection fittings. If you do, be sure to squeeze it
hot - streamline tubing is notorious for cracking at the trailing edge.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed G.
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane strut tubing size
What size streamlined tubing is being used to replace the tubing called
out in the plans # 1667 If I remember right for the cabane struts . I
have a scrap of the
1 5/8 X .700 something but it looks kinda big when I hold it up to the
fuselage. The next size down costs $6.00 per foot more that it!!! So I
thought i would throw it out to the group. I checked the archives and
found nothing so maybe it's a good question to open up. Ed
Grentzer
BTW SunN Fun was awsome this year.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jared wilkinson <jared_wilkinson(at)yahoo.com> |
This tragedy is too close to home. I met Mr. Bozeman last year when myself and
a friend went to Cassville to see his plane. He was an extremely nice man,
and very knowledgeable. Here is a link to the article in a local newspaper.
http://joplinglobe.com/archives/2002/020410/regional/story1.html
My sympathies to all affected by this.
Jared Wilkinson
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jared wilkinson <jared_wilkinson(at)yahoo.com> |
Another link for a later article.
http://joplinglobe.com/archives/2002/020411/regional/story4.html
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower_99(at)yahoo.com> |
...looks like another spin fatality... but better wait
until the FAA says the last word, my Prayers to both
families.
Saludos
Gary Gower
--- jared wilkinson wrote:
> wilkinson
>
>
> This tragedy is too close to home. I met Mr.
> Bozeman last year when myself and a friend went to
> Cassville to see his plane. He was an extremely
> nice man, and very knowledgeable. Here is a link to
> the article in a local newspaper.
>
http://joplinglobe.com/archives/2002/020410/regional/story1.html
> My sympathies to all affected by this.
> Jared Wilkinson
>
>
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| From: | "Gene Rambo" <rambog(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 04/06/02 |
What you saw in my hangar was an old set of Stearman duster wings built by
mid-continent or someone like that. They have plywood gussets, though. The
only things that I know of with cardboard gusstes are the Curtiss Robin and
Aeronca Chief, both of which have to be changed to plywood per an AD. Bad
idea.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Bell <mikebell(at)sc.rr.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 04/06/02
>
>
> Gene Rambo can confirm this. I looked at an old stearman wing in his
> hanger. If I remember correctly, the rib gussets were some kind of card
> stock, not wood. The Finnish ply is much stronger and very suitable.
>
> By the way, if you have one of those guillotine type paper cutters, you
can
> cut your gussets to size on that.
>
> Mike Bell
> Gaston, SC
>
> I just ordered some of the Finnish plywood from AS&S. It is for my rib
> > gussets. Has anyone else worked with it? I like the look of Mahogany,
but
> > the ribs are hidden anyway. Just curious if anyone knows much about the
> > wood. Thanks gang.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
> > MyKitPlane.com
> > EAA 665957
> > gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gene Rambo" <rambog(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fabric system test - open for input/samples |
I would also like to see a test of the clear varnish that is supposed to by
UV blocking. We tried some plain varnish on fabric out at the Smithsonian a
couple of years ago, both on cotton and synthetic to see if the look and
durability was right, never could keep the test pieces outside long anough
to get a good gouge on the durability.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kirk & Laura Huizenga <kirkh@unique-software.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric system test - open for input/samples
<kirkh@unique-software.com>
>
> Robert,
>
> I agree with you and never planned on testing the paint on the
> fabric. The only thing I may do with fabric is to do a small mock up
> through poly-spray and/or black latex to get an idea of thickness of
> paint on a final product before a color coat. Then I may be able to
> get close to that thickness on the quartz plate. No promises, but I'm
> sure if I made the paint thick enough for the test it would
> eventually absorb all the UV and give and incorrect/unrealistic
> reading.
>
> Thanks for the offer on the kit. I'll email you my address off-list.
>
> Thanks
> Kirk
>
> >
> >
> >Kirk,
> >
> >I disagree with some of the suggestions to test on a piece of fabric,
it's
> >the fabric that you are trying to protect from the UV. The UV light
should
> >be completely blocked before it gets to the fabric, so unless there is a
> >concern for the fabric on the wing bottom, what's the point in testing
what
> >passes through the paint AND fabric.
> >
> >To test a "certified" system, I think I have one of those PolyFiber
sample
> >kits and never opened the PolyBrush. The kit is a few years old and the
> >PolyTak is history, but you are welcome to the rest. If you are
interested,
> >give me your address and I'll send it.
> >
> >Robert Haines
> >Du Quoin, Illinois
> >
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> Password: fly
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gene Rambo" <rambog(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Leading Edge |
Corky, very few wooden winged aircraft had covering around the leading edge
from the bottom of the spar to the top. Most only covered the top half,
down to the leading edge. (obviously, except for aircraft where the leading
edge is a box structure, like a Cessna Airmaster or something) Covering the
whole thing only asks to trap water. Think of it, the wright brothers
didn't even cover the bottom of the wing.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky(at)aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading Edge
>
> Pieters,
> Received my quarterly BPA Newsletter and wish to compliment the editors
for a
> informative edition. Earlier in my building process I was concerned about
the
> underside of the leading edge as to its surface strength. I posted this
> several times on this net only to be assured that it was not necessary to
> provide any underneath support on the leading edge. I accepted this as
fact
> and built on.
> Today after examination of the Pietenpol on the front page of the BPA
> Newsletter I seem to see the leading edge undersurface. Are my eyes
getting
> bad or what?
> Anyone care to comment on this?
> Corky in La with naked underside leading edges.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fabric system test - open for input/samples |
Gene,
Do you have a specific brand or name of varnish that is UV blocking -
is this what the Piet I saw at Brodhead this last year is covered
with? The fabric is pretty transparent. I'll look for a picture if no
one knows what plane I'm talking about.
Thanks
Kirk
>
>I would also like to see a test of the clear varnish that is supposed to by
>UV blocking. We tried some plain varnish on fabric out at the Smithsonian a
>couple of years ago, both on cotton and synthetic to see if the look and
>durability was right, never could keep the test pieces outside long anough
>to get a good gouge on the durability.
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gene Rambo" <rambog(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fabric system test - open for input/samples |
I think I know the airplane you are talking about, but I am not sure it is
varnished, it might just be clear dope. I don't know any brands, just any
one that claims to be UV blocking. I'll take a look to see if I can find
one. I am just curious what percentage of UV it does block.
One thing we found out with our experiments is that the varnish needs some
tinting, yellowlike, to make it look right. Also, the varnish does not
tighten cotton, so we tried one coat of dope first, then varnish. This
would not be a problem on dacron, though.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kirk & Laura Huizenga <kirkh@unique-software.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric system test - open for input/samples
<kirkh@unique-software.com>
>
> Gene,
>
> Do you have a specific brand or name of varnish that is UV blocking -
> is this what the Piet I saw at Brodhead this last year is covered
> with? The fabric is pretty transparent. I'll look for a picture if no
> one knows what plane I'm talking about.
>
> Thanks
> Kirk
>
> >
> >I would also like to see a test of the clear varnish that is supposed to
by
> >UV blocking. We tried some plain varnish on fabric out at the
Smithsonian a
> >couple of years ago, both on cotton and synthetic to see if the look and
> >durability was right, never could keep the test pieces outside long
anough
> >to get a good gouge on the durability.
> >
>
> --
> Kirk Huizenga and Bryan Eastep's Aircamper and Corvair Project
> http://www.photoisland.com/servlet/GuestLogin?USERNAME=khuizenga
> Password: fly
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fabric system test - open for input/samples |
It would be interesting to see how effective the UV blocking stuff
is. I got a reply from polyfiber the other day and they say that the
chemical UV blocking is much less effective than a "mechanical"
(aluminum) block.
This is what they say:
>Hello.
>All of our testing data is done in-house.
>We have found that chemical UV blockers work about 1 /3 as well as
>mechanical blockers like pigments of different types.
>Bare polyester in the sun will deteriorate in 3 months or so. It can last
>indefinately with the proper coatings on it. Again, unfortunately, we have
>no published data on it.
Let me know if you find a specific brand and I'll look also.
Kirk
>
>I think I know the airplane you are talking about, but I am not sure it is
>varnished, it might just be clear dope. I don't know any brands, just any
>one that claims to be UV blocking. I'll take a look to see if I can find
>one. I am just curious what percentage of UV it does block.
>
>One thing we found out with our experiments is that the varnish needs some
>tinting, yellowlike, to make it look right. Also, the varnish does not
>tighten cotton, so we tried one coat of dope first, then varnish. This
>would not be a problem on dacron, though.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Kirk & Laura Huizenga <kirkh@unique-software.com>
>To:
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric system test - open for input/samples
>
>
><kirkh@unique-software.com>
>>
>> Gene,
>>
>> Do you have a specific brand or name of varnish that is UV blocking -
>> is this what the Piet I saw at Brodhead this last year is covered
>> with? The fabric is pretty transparent. I'll look for a picture if no
>> one knows what plane I'm talking about.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Kirk
>>
>> >
>> >I would also like to see a test of the clear varnish that is supposed to
>by
>> >UV blocking. We tried some plain varnish on fabric out at the
>Smithsonian a
>> >couple of years ago, both on cotton and synthetic to see if the look and
>> >durability was right, never could keep the test pieces outside long
>anough
>> >to get a good gouge on the durability.
>> >
>>
>> --
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>> http://www.photoisland.com/servlet/GuestLogin?USERNAME=khuizenga
>> Password: fly
>>
>>
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | I just added Issues 57 & 62..... |
All of it.....in pdf format......enjoy. More when the mood hits me....:-)
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList.cfm?Menu=FileLibrary
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower_99(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fabric system test - open for input/samples |
I think is dificult to be sure how much is the UV
blocking in clear varnish... I think is more
"looking for a sale point". Like the "diet Mayonese"
and the "diet beer"... :-)
but I could be wrong.
saludos
Gary Gower
--- Gene Rambo wrote:
>
>
> I think I know the airplane you are talking about,
> but I am not sure it is
> varnished, it might just be clear dope. I don't
> know any brands, just any
> one that claims to be UV blocking. I'll take a look
> to see if I can find
> one. I am just curious what percentage of UV it
> does block.
>
> One thing we found out with our experiments is that
> the varnish needs some
> tinting, yellowlike, to make it look right. Also,
> the varnish does not
> tighten cotton, so we tried one coat of dope first,
> then varnish. This
> would not be a problem on dacron, though.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kirk & Laura Huizenga
> <kirkh@unique-software.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric system test -
> open for input/samples
>
>
> Huizenga
> <kirkh@unique-software.com>
> >
> > Gene,
> >
> > Do you have a specific brand or name of varnish
> that is UV blocking -
> > is this what the Piet I saw at Brodhead this last
> year is covered
> > with? The fabric is pretty transparent. I'll look
> for a picture if no
> > one knows what plane I'm talking about.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Kirk
> >
> Rambo"
> > >
> > >I would also like to see a test of the clear
> varnish that is supposed to
> by
> > >UV blocking. We tried some plain varnish on
> fabric out at the
> Smithsonian a
> > >couple of years ago, both on cotton and synthetic
> to see if the look and
> > >durability was right, never could keep the test
> pieces outside long
> anough
> > >to get a good gouge on the durability.
> > >
> >
> > --
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> Corvair Project
> >
>
http://www.photoisland.com/servlet/GuestLogin?USERNAME=khuizenga
> > Password: fly
> >
> >
>
>
>
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| From: | "Craig Williams" <cwilliams(at)amteccontrol.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol pictures |
Anyone on the list know where all the pictures and files that were on
www.aircamper.no-ip.org went to ??? Hope we haven't lost them. They were
a good resource.
Thanks to all.
Craig Williams
Neeses, SC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mark" <markmc(at)bluebonnet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol pictures |
Try www. mykitplane.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Williams" <cwilliams(at)amteccontrol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol pictures
>
> Anyone on the list know where all the pictures and files that were on
> www.aircamper.no-ip.org went to ??? Hope we haven't lost them. They were
> a good resource.
>
> Thanks to all.
>
> Craig Williams
> Neeses, SC
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol pictures |
I am posting them on my site too. I wanted to have them in more than one
place. You can see them as I get them online at www.mykitplane.com, then go
to the photo gallery. I am also hoping to organize them more by category in
the future, but this works for now. Also Group, if you have any, please post
them.
Regards,
Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
MyKitPlane.com
EAA 665957
gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=43
"What's the hurry? Are you afraid I won't come back?"
Manfred von Richthofen, 'The Red Baron,' last recorded words, in reply to
a request for an autograph as he was climbing into the cockpit of his plane.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Craig
> Williams
> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 10:20 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol pictures
>
>
>
>
> Anyone on the list know where all the pictures and files that were on
> www.aircamper.no-ip.org went to ??? Hope we haven't lost them. They were
> a good resource.
>
> Thanks to all.
>
> Craig Williams
> Neeses, SC
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard deCosta <curiousspider(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol pictures |
All of the pictures and MPEG videos are still online,
on my little server:
Pics:
http://rdecosta.no-ip.com/acimg/
Vids:
http://rdecosta.no-ip.com/videos/
I hope someday to ressurect aircamper.org.
Richard
--- Craig Williams wrote:
> Williams"
>
> Anyone on the list know where all the pictures and
> files that were on
> www.aircamper.no-ip.org went to ??? Hope we haven't
> lost them. They were
> a good resource.
>
> Thanks to all.
>
> Craig Williams
> Neeses, SC
>
>
>
> Forum -
> Contributions of
> any other form
>
> latest messages.
> other List members.
>
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>
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard deCosta <curiousspider(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | another Pietenpol picture question |
Anyone have the original print (negative) for this
one? http://rdecosta.no-ip.com/acimg/smoke2.jpg I want
to make a poster/framed picture out of it. Isnt this
one of yours, Mike C?
Richard
=====
What is chiefly needed is skill rather than machinery.
Wilbur Wright, 1902.
My music: http://www27.brinkster.com/richarddecosta/
http://taxes.yahoo.com/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Neal <llneal2(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol pictures |
Hey Richard,
Good to hear you up here again, I was just about to write an email about
you and the rest of the gang in the good old (SteveE) days.
Larry
Richard deCosta wrote:
>
>All of the pictures and MPEG videos are still online,
>on my little server:
>
>Pics:
>http://rdecosta.no-ip.com/acimg/
>Vids:
>http://rdecosta.no-ip.com/videos/
>
>I hope someday to ressurect aircamper.org.
>
>Richard
>
>--- Craig Williams wrote:
>
>>Williams"
>>
>>Anyone on the list know where all the pictures and
>>files that were on
>>www.aircamper.no-ip.org went to ??? Hope we haven't
>>lost them. They were
>>a good resource.
>>
>>Thanks to all.
>>
>>Craig Williams
>>Neeses, SC
>>
>>
>>
>>Forum -
>>Contributions of
>>any other form
>>
>>latest messages.
>>other List members.
>>
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>>http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
>>http://www.matronics.com/search
>>http://www.matronics.com/archives
>>http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>=====
>What is chiefly needed is skill rather than machinery.
> Wilbur Wright, 1902.
>My music: http://www27.brinkster.com/richarddecosta/
>
>http://taxes.yahoo.com/
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | I just added Issues 48 & 49 to mykitplane.com..... |
enjoy ........
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ANNCARLEK(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 04/12/02 |
In a message dated 4/12/02 11:55:16 PM, pietenpol-list-digest(at)matronics.com
writes:
<< cwilliams(at)amteccontrol.com >>
Craig-
I'm working on a Piet too, long fuse, fir, Corvair, and probably am just
about where you are, with the tail feathers done(in fir- weighs 14 pounds,
all wood, hardware not attached). I just laminated the top longerons
today-two pieces to make long enough-they were short so that I could carry
them in my car! The scarf turned out swell, and I'm not going to worry about
where it is in the fuse. I am building up the two bottom longerons of fir
strips, .33in x 1in. Someone has given my a fully converted Corvair, 110hp
model, so I am pleased that I got the plans fro the mount from Don.
We just picked up an old Piet(1935?) today, and it has a fully converted A
which looks like it hasn't been run. It has not been decided what to do with
this yet. If it becomes available, I'll let the list know.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 04/12/02 |
In a message dated 4/13/02 10:30:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ANNCARLEK(at)aol.com writes:
> Craig-
> I'm working on a Piet too, long fuse, fir, Corvair, and probably am just
> about where you are, with the tail feathers done(in fir- weighs 14 pounds,
> all wood, hardware not attached). I just laminated the top longerons
> today-two pieces to make long enough-they were short so that I could carry
> them in my car! The scarf turned out swell, and I'm not going to worry
> about
> where it is in the fuse. I am building up the two bottom longerons of fir
> strips, .33in x 1in. Someone has given my a fully converted Corvair, 110hp
> model, so I am pleased that I got the plans fro the mount from Don.
> We just picked up an old Piet(1935?) today, and it has a fully converted A
> which looks like it hasn't been run. It has not been decided what to do
> with
> this yet. If it becomes available, I'll let the list know.
>
I am interested in the engine if it becomes available. Doug Bryant
Wichita Ks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol pictures |
Gary wrote:
>I am posting them on my site too. I wanted to have them in more than
>one place. You can see them as I get them online at
>www.mykitplane.com
>Also Group, if you have any, please post them.
There are several pages of pix on my website, at
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/piets.html
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR (soon to be San Antonio, TX)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Fabric system test - open for input/samples |
Mike Brusilow,
I believe you know some of the folks at Rhinebeck Aerodrome. What do they
do for covering some of their ships that appear to be varnish on fabric?
Chris bobka
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kirk &
Laura Huizenga
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric system test - open for input/samples
<kirkh@unique-software.com>
It would be interesting to see how effective the UV blocking stuff
is. I got a reply from polyfiber the other day and they say that the
chemical UV blocking is much less effective than a "mechanical"
(aluminum) block.
This is what they say:
>Hello.
>All of our testing data is done in-house.
>We have found that chemical UV blockers work about 1 /3 as well as
>mechanical blockers like pigments of different types.
>Bare polyester in the sun will deteriorate in 3 months or so. It can last
>indefinately with the proper coatings on it. Again, unfortunately, we have
>no published data on it.
Let me know if you find a specific brand and I'll look also.
Kirk
>
>I think I know the airplane you are talking about, but I am not sure it is
>varnished, it might just be clear dope. I don't know any brands, just any
>one that claims to be UV blocking. I'll take a look to see if I can find
>one. I am just curious what percentage of UV it does block.
>
>One thing we found out with our experiments is that the varnish needs some
>tinting, yellowlike, to make it look right. Also, the varnish does not
>tighten cotton, so we tried one coat of dope first, then varnish. This
>would not be a problem on dacron, though.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Kirk & Laura Huizenga <kirkh@unique-software.com>
>To:
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric system test - open for input/samples
>
>
><kirkh@unique-software.com>
>>
>> Gene,
>>
>> Do you have a specific brand or name of varnish that is UV blocking -
>> is this what the Piet I saw at Brodhead this last year is covered
>> with? The fabric is pretty transparent. I'll look for a picture if no
>> one knows what plane I'm talking about.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Kirk
>>
>> >
>> >I would also like to see a test of the clear varnish that is supposed
to
>by
>> >UV blocking. We tried some plain varnish on fabric out at the
>Smithsonian a
>> >couple of years ago, both on cotton and synthetic to see if the look
and
>> >durability was right, never could keep the test pieces outside long
>anough
>> >to get a good gouge on the durability.
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Kirk Huizenga and Bryan Eastep's Aircamper and Corvair Project
>> http://www.photoisland.com/servlet/GuestLogin?USERNAME=khuizenga
>> Password: fly
>>
>>
>
>
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Password: fly
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gene Rambo" <rambog(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fabric system test - open for input/samples |
Mike probably knows better, but I think they are all dope on fabric. I
can't think of which ones are clear-doped only, most are colored.
----- Original Message -----
From: Christian Bobka <bobka(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fabric system test - open for input/samples
>
> Mike Brusilow,
>
> I believe you know some of the folks at Rhinebeck Aerodrome. What do they
> do for covering some of their ships that appear to be varnish on fabric?
>
> Chris bobka
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kirk &
> Laura Huizenga
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric system test - open for input/samples
>
>
> <kirkh@unique-software.com>
>
> It would be interesting to see how effective the UV blocking stuff
> is. I got a reply from polyfiber the other day and they say that the
> chemical UV blocking is much less effective than a "mechanical"
> (aluminum) block.
>
> This is what they say:
> >Hello.
>
> >All of our testing data is done in-house.
> >We have found that chemical UV blockers work about 1 /3 as well as
> >mechanical blockers like pigments of different types.
>
> >Bare polyester in the sun will deteriorate in 3 months or so. It can
last
> >indefinately with the proper coatings on it. Again, unfortunately, we
have
> >no published data on it.
>
> Let me know if you find a specific brand and I'll look also.
> Kirk
>
>
> >
> >I think I know the airplane you are talking about, but I am not sure it
is
> >varnished, it might just be clear dope. I don't know any brands, just
any
> >one that claims to be UV blocking. I'll take a look to see if I can find
> >one. I am just curious what percentage of UV it does block.
> >
> >One thing we found out with our experiments is that the varnish needs
some
> >tinting, yellowlike, to make it look right. Also, the varnish does not
> >tighten cotton, so we tried one coat of dope first, then varnish. This
> >would not be a problem on dacron, though.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Kirk & Laura Huizenga <kirkh@unique-software.com>
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric system test - open for input/samples
> >
> >
> ><kirkh@unique-software.com>
> >>
> >> Gene,
> >>
> >> Do you have a specific brand or name of varnish that is UV blocking -
> >> is this what the Piet I saw at Brodhead this last year is covered
> >> with? The fabric is pretty transparent. I'll look for a picture if no
> >> one knows what plane I'm talking about.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Kirk
> >>
> >> >
> >> >I would also like to see a test of the clear varnish that is supposed
> to
> >by
> >> >UV blocking. We tried some plain varnish on fabric out at the
> >Smithsonian a
> >> >couple of years ago, both on cotton and synthetic to see if the look
> and
> >> >durability was right, never could keep the test pieces outside long
> >anough
> >> >to get a good gouge on the durability.
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Kirk Huizenga and Bryan Eastep's Aircamper and Corvair Project
> >> http://www.photoisland.com/servlet/GuestLogin?USERNAME=khuizenga
> >> Password: fly
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> --
> Kirk Huizenga and Bryan Eastep's Aircamper and Corvair Project
> http://www.photoisland.com/servlet/GuestLogin?USERNAME=khuizenga
> Password: fly
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel Spring |
| From: | "D.Dale Johnson" <dd5john(at)juno.com> |
Hi Ian
I am surprised that the J.D. dealer would tell you that the spring was
used on a combine. The J.D dealer told me it was used on a horse drawn
cultivator.
The combine didn't appear till the 1940. I know where there is a bunch of
farm machines
parked in the woods. Think I will check it out.
Dale.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | I just added BPA Issue 60 |
Enjoy
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList.cfm?Menu=FileLibrary
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
| Subject: | Question about a turn and bank... |
Does anyone know who's plane this is or have any contact information?
Alternatively, can anyone shed light on where the turn and bank indicator in
the picture came from or where you could buy/find/(steal) one. Thanks.
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/PeoplesPlanes/aho'spanel.jpg
BTW - For those of you in the Houston area, Chapter 302 will have a Fly-In
this Saturday. The B-29, FIFI, will be on display, or so I hear. $5 for a
walk-thru tour.
Also, I will be down at the Lone Star Flight Museum air show the 27th and
28th, in Galveston, TX. I will be there Saturday with the family and Sunday
working our Chapter booth (12). You'll know me by the MyKitPlane.com hat and
T-shirt (and yes, my wife and son will wear them too, I am pressing them
into the marketing, shamelessly), so be sure to say hi. Hope to see some of
you there (well, all of you, but that has some logistics problems). Should
be a good show.
Regards,
Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
MyKitPlane.com
EAA 665957
gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=43
"What's the hurry? Are you afraid I won't come back?"
Manfred von Richthofen, 'The Red Baron,' last recorded words, in reply to
a request for an autograph as he was climbing into the cockpit of his plane.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Question about a turn and bank... |
In a message dated 4/15/02 7:09:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com writes:
>
> Does anyone know who's plane this is or have any contact information?
> Alternatively, can anyone shed light on where the turn and bank indicator
> in
> the picture came from or where you could buy/find/(steal) one. Thanks.
>
> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/PeoplesPlanes/aho'spanel.jpg
>
>
Gary,
You can get those from AS&S. They have a couple different sizes. Doug
Bryant
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Question about a turn and bank... |
Gary,
That is not a turn and bank but simply an inclinometer. You can find one in
an F6F Hellcat.
That is where I found mine.
Chris Bobka
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary
McNeel, Jr.
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question about a turn and bank...
Does anyone know who's plane this is or have any contact information?
Alternatively, can anyone shed light on where the turn and bank indicator in
the picture came from or where you could buy/find/(steal) one. Thanks.
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/PeoplesPlanes/aho'spanel.jpg
BTW - For those of you in the Houston area, Chapter 302 will have a Fly-In
this Saturday. The B-29, FIFI, will be on display, or so I hear. $5 for a
walk-thru tour.
Also, I will be down at the Lone Star Flight Museum air show the 27th and
28th, in Galveston, TX. I will be there Saturday with the family and Sunday
working our Chapter booth (12). You'll know me by the MyKitPlane.com hat and
T-shirt (and yes, my wife and son will wear them too, I am pressing them
into the marketing, shamelessly), so be sure to say hi. Hope to see some of
you there (well, all of you, but that has some logistics problems). Should
be a good show.
Regards,
Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
MyKitPlane.com
EAA 665957
gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=43
"What's the hurry? Are you afraid I won't come back?"
Manfred von Richthofen, 'The Red Baron,' last recorded words, in reply to
a request for an autograph as he was climbing into the cockpit of his plane.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gene Rambo" <rambog(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Question about a turn and bank... |
that's called an inclinometer, it only gives bank info (actually slip/skid),
so it is not a turn and bank. These are pretty common, you see them a lot
on ebay. Wag Aero or AS&S sell them too, but this one is an older type.
This doesn't really serve much purpose once you have the airplane rigged
(unless you plan to do some outlaw IFR) If you buy one, I would advocate
putting it in with carpet tape until the airplane is rigged, then removing
it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary McNeel, Jr. <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question about a turn and bank...
>
> Does anyone know who's plane this is or have any contact information?
> Alternatively, can anyone shed light on where the turn and bank indicator
in
> the picture came from or where you could buy/find/(steal) one. Thanks.
>
> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/PeoplesPlanes/aho'spanel.jpg
>
> BTW - For those of you in the Houston area, Chapter 302 will have a Fly-In
> this Saturday. The B-29, FIFI, will be on display, or so I hear. $5 for a
> walk-thru tour.
>
> Also, I will be down at the Lone Star Flight Museum air show the 27th and
> 28th, in Galveston, TX. I will be there Saturday with the family and
Sunday
> working our Chapter booth (12). You'll know me by the MyKitPlane.com hat
and
> T-shirt (and yes, my wife and son will wear them too, I am pressing them
> into the marketing, shamelessly), so be sure to say hi. Hope to see some
of
> you there (well, all of you, but that has some logistics problems). Should
> be a good show.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
> MyKitPlane.com
> EAA 665957
> gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com
> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=43
>
> "What's the hurry? Are you afraid I won't come back?"
>
> Manfred von Richthofen, 'The Red Baron,' last recorded words, in reply to
> a request for an autograph as he was climbing into the cockpit of his
plane.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jackphillips(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Question about a turn and bank... |
Gary,
I believe that is Craig Aho's Pietenpol, that was destroyed in a hangar fire
shortly after he built it. The inclinometer on the panel (a Turn & Bank
Indicator is a gyro instrument with a needle to indicate the turn rate and
an inclinometer to indicate a slip or skid) probably came from a Marine
supply house. Sailboats often have such instruments to indicate the amount
of heel they are experiencing due to wind loads. Check out West Marine or
Boater's World.
For about the same money you can have a real aircraft turn & bank indicator
(non-functional except for the ball). I bought a defunct electric T&B at
Sun'n'Fun last year, cut the heavy gyroscope off of it, shortened the case,
glued the needle to remain centered, and installed it in the front cockpit
of my Pietenpol so my passenger can know how badly coordinated my turns are
(as if the wind hitting her on one cheek won't give her a clue). I have a
real working vacuum driven Turn & Bank in the rear cockpit, also bought at
SNF for the princely sum of $22, plus $8 for the venturi to drive it.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
McNeel, Jr.
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question about a turn and bank...
Does anyone know who's plane this is or have any contact information?
Alternatively, can anyone shed light on where the turn and bank indicator in
the picture came from or where you could buy/find/(steal) one. Thanks.
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/PeoplesPlanes/aho'spanel.jpg
Regards,
Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
MyKitPlane.com
EAA 665957
gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=43
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
| Subject: | Question about a turn and bank... |
Thanks all. Sad to here the plane burned. I was looking into it for a
friend. I am still years away, but the education here is great.
-Gary
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jack
> Phillips
> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 9:45 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Question about a turn and bank...
>
>
>
>
> Gary,
>
> I believe that is Craig Aho's Pietenpol, that was destroyed in a
> hangar fire
> shortly after he built it. The inclinometer on the panel (a Turn & Bank
> Indicator is a gyro instrument with a needle to indicate the turn rate and
> an inclinometer to indicate a slip or skid) probably came from a Marine
> supply house. Sailboats often have such instruments to indicate
> the amount
> of heel they are experiencing due to wind loads. Check out West Marine or
> Boater's World.
>
> For about the same money you can have a real aircraft turn & bank
> indicator
> (non-functional except for the ball). I bought a defunct electric T&B at
> Sun'n'Fun last year, cut the heavy gyroscope off of it, shortened
> the case,
> glued the needle to remain centered, and installed it in the front cockpit
> of my Pietenpol so my passenger can know how badly coordinated my
> turns are
> (as if the wind hitting her on one cheek won't give her a clue). I have a
> real working vacuum driven Turn & Bank in the rear cockpit, also bought at
> SNF for the princely sum of $22, plus $8 for the venturi to drive it.
>
> Jack
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
> McNeel, Jr.
> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 10:09 PM
> To: Pietenpol Group
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question about a turn and bank...
>
>
>
> Does anyone know who's plane this is or have any contact information?
> Alternatively, can anyone shed light on where the turn and bank
> indicator in
> the picture came from or where you could buy/find/(steal) one. Thanks.
>
> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/PeoplesPlanes/aho'spanel.jpg
>
> Regards,
>
> Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
> MyKitPlane.com
> EAA 665957
> gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com
> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=43
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dick and Marge Gillespie" <dickmarg(at)peganet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Powder-coating hollow metal struts, etc. |
In case I didn't thank you before, thank you.
DickG.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Powder-coating hollow metal struts, etc.
>
> Have the shop bake the struts to boil off the preservative oil. Then
> powdercoat after cooling. Then after powdercoating is done, redo the oil
> preservative.
>
> chris Bobka
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dick and
> Marge Gillespie
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Powder-coating hollow metal struts, etc.
>
>
>
>
> When you have hollow metal (4130) lift struts that have linseed oil on
> the inside for rust prevention, what happens to it, the preservative,
> if the struts are powder-coated and the ovens are at 400 degrees? I
> asked a local shop and they didn't have an answer. The struts are open
> at both ends.
>
> DickG.
> Ft. Myers, FL
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard deCosta <curiousspider(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | A list of fly-ins? |
Hi all. I'm gearing up to go flying again... got my
GyroBee purring... anyway, does anyone know of a list
online somewhere that has all the fly-ins listed? I'd
be looking for ones in New England, particularly Maine
and New Hampshire.
Cheers,
Richard
=====
What is chiefly needed is skill rather than machinery.
Wilbur Wright, 1902.
My music: http://www27.brinkster.com/richarddecosta/
http://taxes.yahoo.com/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael Brusilow" <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A list of fly-ins? |
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard deCosta
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 8:38 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A list of fly-ins?
Hi all. I'm gearing up to go flying again... got my
GyroBee purring... anyway, does anyone know of a list
online somewhere that has all the fly-ins listed? I'd
be looking for ones in New England, particularly Maine
and New Hampshire.
Cheers,
Richard
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Richard: Look up The Atlantic Flyer at;
aflyer.com
Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Howdy, low 'n' slow fliers; since the list has been quiet lately, here's a
question:
Is the Midway, Texas fly-in for May still scheduled to happen? I'll be in
Texas by then, and am going to try to make it. Any Piets expecting to fly
in? That, of course, will be the whole point of the exercise!
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, Oregon (soon to be San Antonio, TX)
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.
http://www.hotmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Neal <llneal2(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Midway fly-in |
Hey Oscar!
The fly-in is scheduled for Saturday, June 1st at Midway Airport (4T6)
Right now we have a whole bunch of GA guys bringing certified ships, a
GN-1 and my Champ.
About five or six Piet list folks are intending to show up so far.
These things tend to start slow, but word is getting around. It will be
great to meet you finally Oscar, and I'm looking forward making
acquaintance with many others I've talked to over the years. This
should be a lot of fun, anyone else intending to drop in please let me know.
Larry
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>Howdy, low 'n' slow fliers; since the list has been quiet lately, here's a
>question:
>
>Is the Midway, Texas fly-in for May still scheduled to happen? I'll be in
>Texas by then, and am going to try to make it. Any Piets expecting to fly
>in? That, of course, will be the whole point of the exercise!
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Medford, Oregon (soon to be San Antonio, TX)
>mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.
>http://www.hotmail.com
>
>
>============================================
>atronics: http://www.matronics.com/
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Midway fly-in |
Larry,
God willing and the trusty old Olds says go I will be there. Maybe my bride
also but all we can offer is a little conversation and a lot of Piet
pictures.
Corky in La getting ready to go to Texas in June. Sure am glad I don't have
to go through Round Rock
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Neal <llneal2(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Midway fly-in |
YEEHAA!!
Corky that is indeed good news!
Your Texas cousins are looking forward to meeting you finally. We'll
have to think about upgrading our cuisine somewhat and getting a couple
of Shiner Bocks extra cold for you.
Larry
Isablcorky(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>Larry,
>God willing and the trusty old Olds says go I will be there. Maybe my bride
>also but all we can offer is a little conversation and a lot of Piet
>pictures.
>
>Corky in La getting ready to go to Texas in June. Sure am glad I don't have
>to go through Round Rock
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "KenGailGriff" <kengg(at)texas.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Midway fly-in |
Anyone from Central Texas want to share a ride?
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Neal <llneal2(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Midway fly-in
>
> Hey Oscar!
>
> The fly-in is scheduled for Saturday, June 1st at Midway Airport (4T6)
>
> Right now we have a whole bunch of GA guys bringing certified ships, a
> GN-1 and my Champ.
> About five or six Piet list folks are intending to show up so far.
>
> These things tend to start slow, but word is getting around. It will be
> great to meet you finally Oscar, and I'm looking forward making
> acquaintance with many others I've talked to over the years. This
> should be a lot of fun, anyone else intending to drop in please let me
know.
>
> Larry
>
>
> Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
> >
> >Howdy, low 'n' slow fliers; since the list has been quiet lately, here's
a
> >question:
> >
> >Is the Midway, Texas fly-in for May still scheduled to happen? I'll be
in
> >Texas by then, and am going to try to make it. Any Piets expecting to
fly
> >in? That, of course, will be the whole point of the exercise!
> >
> >Oscar Zuniga
> >Medford, Oregon (soon to be San Antonio, TX)
> >mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
> >
> >
> >Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.
> >http://www.hotmail.com
> >
> >
> >============================================
> >atronics: http://www.matronics.com/
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Midway fly-in |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Midway fly-in |
Larry,
Now that's the kind of hspitality I can live around. We are looking forward
to seeing all.
Corky in La planting tomatoes so I can enjoy those BLT's ALL summer
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | PhillIJM(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Question about a turn and bank... |
In a message dated 4/15/02 10:09:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com writes:
> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/PeoplesPlanes/aho'spanel.jpg
>
>
It's not really a Turn & Bank Indicator. It's just an inclinometer
(sometimes refered to as a "Slip" indicator). They are available from
Aircraft Spruce & Specialty Co. in 10 degree and 20 degree scales. This is a
20 degree scale in the picture. I think they are also available from Wag
Aero.
Jim Phillips
Wilmington, NC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Navratril" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
I arrived back home in St. Paul on Sun night after a great week at Sun n
Fun. Many thanks to Don Hicks, Skip Gadd, Bert Conoly and all of the
others who piched in on the construction of my new fuselage. We managed
to get it done in the week. I will be working on it and plan on
bringing it to Broadhead.
Dick Navratil
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Craigo" <craigwilcox(at)peoplepc.com> |
On Wed, 17 April 2002, "Richard Navratril" wrote
> I arrived back home in St. Paul on Sun night after a
great week at Sun n
> Fun. Many thanks to Don Hicks, Skip Gadd, Bert
Conoly and all of the
> others who piched in on the construction of my new
fuselage. We managed
> to get it done in the week. I will be working on it
and plan on
> bringing it to Broadhead.
> Dick Navratil
It was a real pleasure to meet you and Bert, and to
assist with your ply fuselage. You got a good thing
going - are you going to wait to do the wing until next
year?
Craig
Craig
Lake Worth, FL
Bakeng Duce NX96CW
PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart.
http://www.peoplepc.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kent Hallsten <KHallsten(at)governair.com> |
| Subject: | Spar article - Greg Cardinal |
Greg,
Do you still have the article from Sport Aviation 1961 by Paul Best
about I-beam spars vs. solid spars? If you do are you able to e-mail it to
me? I understand it had some pictures?
Kent Hallsten
Oklahoma City
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)startribune.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Spar article - Greg Cardinal |
Kent,
I am not able to e-mail it. Send me a self-addressed, stamped envelope and I will
mail a copy.
Greg Cardinal
5236 Shoreview Ave. So.
Minneapolis, MN 55417
>>> KHallsten(at)governair.com 04/18/02 11:25AM >>>
Greg,
Do you still have the article from Sport Aviation 1961 by Paul Best
about I-beam spars vs. solid spars? If you do are you able to e-mail it to
me? I understand it had some pictures?
Kent Hallsten
Oklahoma City
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kent Hallsten <KHallsten(at)governair.com> |
| Subject: | Spar article - Greg Cardinal |
Thanks Greg. Expect to see it sometime next week.
Kent
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Cardinal [mailto:gcardinal(at)startribune.com]
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spar article - Greg Cardinal
Kent,
I am not able to e-mail it. Send me a self-addressed, stamped envelope and I
will mail a copy.
Greg Cardinal
5236 Shoreview Ave. So.
Minneapolis, MN 55417
>>> KHallsten(at)governair.com 04/18/02 11:25AM >>>
Greg,
Do you still have the article from Sport Aviation 1961 by Paul Best
about I-beam spars vs. solid spars? If you do are you able to e-mail it to
me? I understand it had some pictures?
Kent Hallsten
Oklahoma City
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron Bell" <rbell(at)hpavet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Spar article - Greg Cardinal |
I would also like a copy. Can I get a copy, too.
TIA,
Ron Bell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)startribune.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spar article - Greg Cardinal
|
| Kent,
| I am not able to e-mail it. Send me a self-addressed, stamped envelope and
I will mail a copy.
|
| Greg Cardinal
| 5236 Shoreview Ave. So.
| Minneapolis, MN 55417
|
| >>> KHallsten(at)governair.com 04/18/02 11:25AM >>>
|
| Greg,
| Do you still have the article from Sport Aviation 1961 by Paul Best
| about I-beam spars vs. solid spars? If you do are you able to e-mail it
to
| me? I understand it had some pictures?
|
| Kent Hallsten
| Oklahoma City
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)startribune.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Spar article - Greg Cardinal |
Anyone who would like a copy can have one. Just send an SASE to:
Greg Cardinal
5236 Shoreview Ave. So.
Minneapolis, MN 55417
>>> rbell(at)hpavet.com 04/18/02 12:18PM >>>
I would also like a copy. Can I get a copy, too.
TIA,
Ron Bell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)startribune.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spar article - Greg Cardinal
|
| Kent,
| I am not able to e-mail it. Send me a self-addressed, stamped envelope and
I will mail a copy.
|
| Greg Cardinal
| 5236 Shoreview Ave. So.
| Minneapolis, MN 55417
|
| >>> KHallsten(at)governair.com 04/18/02 11:25AM >>>
|
| Greg,
| Do you still have the article from Sport Aviation 1961 by Paul Best
| about I-beam spars vs. solid spars? If you do are you able to e-mail it
to
| me? I understand it had some pictures?
|
| Kent Hallsten
| Oklahoma City
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Navratril" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Dont know at this point. I need to get the other one flying.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craigo" <craigwilcox(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: thanks all
>
> On Wed, 17 April 2002, "Richard Navratril" wrote
>
> > I arrived back home in St. Paul on Sun night after a
> great week at Sun n
> > Fun. Many thanks to Don Hicks, Skip Gadd, Bert
> Conoly and all of the
> > others who piched in on the construction of my new
> fuselage. We managed
> > to get it done in the week. I will be working on it
> and plan on
> > bringing it to Broadhead.
> > Dick Navratil
> It was a real pleasure to meet you and Bert, and to
> assist with your ply fuselage. You got a good thing
> going - are you going to wait to do the wing until next
> year?
> Craig
>
> Craig
> Lake Worth, FL
> Bakeng Duce NX96CW
> PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart.
> http://www.peoplepc.com
>
>
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| From: | DonanClara(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 04/17/2002 10:48:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
horzpool(at)goldengate.net writes:
<<
I arrived back home in St. Paul on Sun night after a great week at Sun n
Fun. Many thanks to Don Hicks, Skip Gadd, Bert Conoly and all of the
others who piched in on the construction of my new fuselage. >>
Dick, It was a great pleasure working with you and also meeting some many of
the 'listers' who dropped by the wood workshop at Sun n Fun. You have the
beginning of a real nice Piet and I hope you can share progress photos with
all of us as you continue the project. Don Hicks
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| From: | "Mike Bell" <mikebell(at)sc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 04/18/02 |
If you are really interested in solid vs. built up spars, follow this url.
http://naca.larc.nasa.gov/reports/1920/naca-report-35/
Mike
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| From: | Gary Gower <ggower_99(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Question about a turn and bank... |
There are two at AS&SCo. that fits below an
instrument, with the two lower bolts, it saves space
and looks great.
for 2 1/4" instrument p/n 10-00490 $ 30.90
for 3 1/8" instrument p/n 10-00495 $ 30.85
this is from my 1999-2000 catalog page 314.
I dont have the newer one on hand now, but page number
may be diferent.
Saludos
Gary Gower
--- PhillIJM(at)aol.com wrote:
> PhillIJM(at)aol.com
>
> In a message dated 4/15/02 10:09:36 PM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com writes:
>
>
> >
>
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/PeoplesPlanes/aho'spanel.jpg
> >
> >
>
> It's not really a Turn & Bank Indicator. It's just
> an inclinometer
> (sometimes refered to as a "Slip" indicator). They
> are available from
> Aircraft Spruce & Specialty Co. in 10 degree and 20
> degree scales. This is a
> 20 degree scale in the picture. I think they are
> also available from Wag
> Aero.
>
> Jim Phillips
> Wilmington, NC
>
>
>
> Forum -
> Contributions of
> any other form
>
> latest messages.
> other List members.
>
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>
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| From: | DonanClara(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 04/19/2002 3:45:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
pietenpol41(at)hotmail.com writes:
<< >I haven't seen activity on the list for several days. Are we still
on? >>
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| From: | "Skip Gadd" <csfog(at)earthlink.net> |
> [Original Message]
> I arrived back home in St. Paul on Sun night after a great week at Sun n
> Fun. Many thanks to Don Hicks, Skip Gadd, Bert Conoly and all of the
> others who piched in on the construction of my new fuselage. We managed
> to get it done in the week. I will be working on it and plan on
> bringing it to Broadhead.
> Dick Navratil
Dick,(or should I say Huck)
Had a ball helping on your fuse, and it was a great vehicle(pun intended)
to demonstrate aircraft woodworking techniques in the wood shop.
Bert,
Thanks for having me in the wood shop again. I never fail to learn
something or maybe several something in between all the What kind of wood
is that? or What kind of glue is that? questions.
It is also nice to put some faces with the names of guys you talk to on
this computer.
It took Harry and I two days to get back to Atlanta and me another day to
get the 172 back home, because of weather, but that is all part of flying.
Sun n Fun was great.
Skip, now counting down to Brodhead
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| From: | "Richard Navratril" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Does anyone have a semi-official classy Pietenpol logo that I can paint
on the side of my project? If so could you send it direct to me at
horzpool(at)goldengate.net
Thanks
Dick Navratil
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| From: | "Mark" <markmc(at)bluebonnet.net> |
| Subject: | center brace wire ftg. |
I've looked in the archives and found no conclusive answer. Is .080 5/8
in. 4130 strip steel stong enough for the center brace wire fittings? I
know the plans call for 13 ga. which is about .10 thickness, but wasn't
that in a weaker type steel than 4130? The thickest 5/8 in. 4130 that
Aircraftspruce offers is .080. Mark McKellar
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| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
| Subject: | Question about a turn and bank... |
Thank you Gary and thank all of you for the information.
-Gary
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary
> Gower
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:45 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Question about a turn and bank...
>
>
> There are two at AS&SCo. that fits below an
> instrument, with the two lower bolts, it saves space
> and looks great.
>
> for 2 1/4" instrument p/n 10-00490 $ 30.90
> for 3 1/8" instrument p/n 10-00495 $ 30.85
>
> this is from my 1999-2000 catalog page 314.
> I dont have the newer one on hand now, but page number
> may be diferent.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower
>
>
> --- PhillIJM(at)aol.com wrote:
> > PhillIJM(at)aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 4/15/02 10:09:36 PM Eastern
> > Daylight Time,
> > gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com writes:
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/PeoplesPlanes/aho'spanel.jpg
> > >
> > >
> >
> > It's not really a Turn & Bank Indicator. It's just
> > an inclinometer
> > (sometimes refered to as a "Slip" indicator). They
> > are available from
> > Aircraft Spruce & Specialty Co. in 10 degree and 20
> > degree scales. This is a
> > 20 degree scale in the picture. I think they are
> > also available from Wag
> > Aero.
> >
> > Jim Phillips
> > Wilmington, NC
> >
> >
> >
> > Forum -
> > Contributions of
> > any other form
> >
> > latest messages.
> > other List members.
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > http://www.matronics.com/search
> > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> http://taxes.yahoo.com/
>
>
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| From: | "DJ Vegh" <aircamper(at)imagedv.com> |
what does a Piet use for uprights and diagonals aft of the rear seat?? My
GN-1 uses 1 x 3/4 for the uprights and 1 x 1/2 for diagonals.
I'm curious as to what the Piet has.
DJ Vegh
Mesa, AZ
GN-1 Builder
www.raptoronline.com
N74DV
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| From: | Gdascomb(at)aol.com |
DJ: 1 3/4" for both.
George
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| From: | Gdascomb(at)aol.com |
Make that 1" x 3/4".
George
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Well, we've finally settled into a (hopefully) permanent home for
project pictures and info.
A big thanks to Gary McNeel for creating and maintaining the site.
Check it out.
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList.cfm?Menu=PhotoGallery
Kirk
--
Kirk Huizenga and Bryan Eastep's Aircamper and Corvair Project
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList.cfm?Menu=PhotoGallery
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| From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Incidence for stabilizer |
I'm getting ready to mount my stabilizer, and figure I may have to change the
angle of incidence after I test fly it. Can anyone offer suggestions on
max-min incidence? I'm figuring to attach the stabilizer with the trailing
edge shimmed to a maximum negative incidence, with the stabilizer spar having
no shims under it, and then shimming under the spar to take out negative
incidence as warranted. The bottom of the vertical fin will get shims to keep
the rudder hinges aligned and as shims go under the stabilizer spar, they'll
come out from under the fin leading edge. Am I on the right track here?
Matt Paxton
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| From: | clif <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
How about checking out the old T shirt logos on
the BPA sight. I particularly like the the first one
the "tan shirt" one. I'm sure this would look good
on a fuselage in whatever colour would compliment
the colour scheme.Would the designer give you
permission to use it?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: logo
>
> Does anyone have a semi-official classy Pietenpol logo that I can paint
> on the side of my project? If so could you send it direct to me at
> horzpool(at)goldengate.net
> Thanks
> Dick Navratil
>
>
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| From: | "Mark" <markmc(at)bluebonnet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: center brace wire ftg. |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark" <markmc(at)bluebonnet.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: center brace wire ftg.
>
> I've looked in the archives and found no conclusive answer. Is .080 5/8
> in. 4130 strip steel stong enough for the center brace wire fittings? I
> know the plans call for 13 ga. which is about .10 thickness, but wasn't
> that in a weaker type steel than 4130? The thickest 5/8 in. 4130 that
> Aircraftspruce offers is .080. Mark McKellar
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Incidence for stabilizer |
In a message dated 4/20/02 8:43:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Woodflier(at)aol.com writes:
> I'm getting ready to mount my stabilizer, and figure I may have to change
> the
> angle of incidence after I test fly it. Can anyone offer suggestions on
> max-min incidence? I'm figuring to attach the stabilizer with the trailing
> edge shimmed to a maximum negative incidence, with the stabilizer spar
> having
> no shims under it, and then shimming under the spar to take out negative
> incidence as warranted. The bottom of the vertical fin will get shims to
> keep
> the rudder hinges aligned and as shims go under the stabilizer spar,
> they'll
> come out from under the fin leading edge. Am I on the right track here?
>
> Matt Paxton
>
>
>
Matt,
I use the following method and it works well for my planes. Mount the
horizontal stab onto the longerons per the drawing and rig neutral. Then,
after the first flight, if required, very slightly adjust only the (4)
forward turnbuckles to wash in or wash out the outer forward sections of the
horizontal stab. The amount on my two Piets is about 1/4 to 1/2 turn. Don'
t move the rear ones, so the rear spar of the stab remains straight. This
may sound strange, but it's the simplest way I could think of and I can see
the same result on the Piets in the museum at Oshkosh. I make this slight
adjustment until the plane flies hands off in pitch at my average weight. It
is just a tweak; hardly noticable, but effective.
Doug Bryant
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| From: | "Richard Navratril" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Thanks, I'll check it out.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "clif" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: logo
>
> How about checking out the old T shirt logos on
> the BPA sight. I particularly like the the first one
> the "tan shirt" one. I'm sure this would look good
> on a fuselage in whatever colour would compliment
> the colour scheme.Would the designer give you
> permission to use it?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
> To:
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: logo
>
>
>
> >
> > Does anyone have a semi-official classy Pietenpol logo that I can paint
> > on the side of my project? If so could you send it direct to me at
> > horzpool(at)goldengate.net
> > Thanks
> > Dick Navratil
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jackphillips(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | center brace wire ftg. |
Mark, even though the plans call for the fittings to be 5/8", I made mine
3/4". If there is a serious fault with BHP's originial design, it is that
he universally made his fittings too small. General aircraft design
practice calls for the edge distance from the cetner of a hole to the edge
of the part to typically be twice the hole diameter. That means a fitting
with a 3/16" hole should be 3/4" wide (2 x 3/16" = 3/8" on either side of
the hole). BHP's fittings are all a little on the short side too - see
Mike Cuy's video. I wish I had made all my fittings longer than the plans
call for. I didn't on the first fittings I did, and they are all too tight
and difficult to get bolts into.
As far as using 5/8" x 0.080 4130, it is probably strong enough from a
tensile strength standpoint, since the 3/32" bracing wire cable is only good
for about 920 lbs. However, with such thin, narrow fittings you must be
extra careful to have absolutely no scratches or dings that can cause stress
concentrations since there is very little margin. If you want to make them
5/8" wide, I'd buy 3/4" wide .090 and cut it down, or better yet, just make
it .090 x 3/4".
Jack Phillips
-----Original Message-----
>
> I've looked in the archives and found no conclusive answer. Is .080 5/8
> in. 4130 strip steel stong enough for the center brace wire fittings? I
> know the plans call for 13 ga. which is about .10 thickness, but wasn't
> that in a weaker type steel than 4130? The thickest 5/8 in. 4130 that
> Aircraftspruce offers is .080. Mark McKellar
>
>
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| From: | "Mark" <markmc(at)bluebonnet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: center brace wire ftg. |
Thanks Jack,That's what I'm gonna do. Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Phillips" <jackphillips(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: center brace wire ftg.
>
> Mark, even though the plans call for the fittings to be 5/8", I made mine
> 3/4". If there is a serious fault with BHP's originial design, it is that
> he universally made his fittings too small. General aircraft design
> practice calls for the edge distance from the cetner of a hole to the
edge
> of the part to typically be twice the hole diameter. That means a fitting
> with a 3/16" hole should be 3/4" wide (2 x 3/16" = 3/8" on either side of
> the hole). BHP's fittings are all a little on the short side too - see
> Mike Cuy's video. I wish I had made all my fittings longer than the plans
> call for. I didn't on the first fittings I did, and they are all too
tight
> and difficult to get bolts into.
>
> As far as using 5/8" x 0.080 4130, it is probably strong enough from a
> tensile strength standpoint, since the 3/32" bracing wire cable is only
good
> for about 920 lbs. However, with such thin, narrow fittings you must be
> extra careful to have absolutely no scratches or dings that can cause
stress
> concentrations since there is very little margin. If you want to make
them
> 5/8" wide, I'd buy 3/4" wide .090 and cut it down, or better yet, just
make
> it .090 x 3/4".
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >
> > I've looked in the archives and found no conclusive answer. Is .080 5/8
> > in. 4130 strip steel stong enough for the center brace wire fittings? I
> > know the plans call for 13 ga. which is about .10 thickness, but wasn't
> > that in a weaker type steel than 4130? The thickest 5/8 in. 4130 that
> > Aircraftspruce offers is .080. Mark McKellar
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Steven G. Isaacs, MD" <flysgi(at)mindspring.com> |
I have heard that there is someone that will fabricate and sell the
hardware fittings for the plane. Can someone provide me with their name
and address/phone/email?
Thanks,
Steve
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| From: | "DJ Vegh" <aircamper(at)imagedv.com> |
there was a guy who made excellent quality parts by the name of Steve
Speidel aka Replicraft/EAPS Aviation. He took $1300 of my money and didn't
bother to send my entire order. He also scammed several other guys...
SO... while I can't tell you who does, I can tell you who to stay away from.
DJ Vegh
Mesa, AZ
GN-1 Builder
www.raptoronline.com
N74DV
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steven G.
Isaacs, MD
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hardware
I have heard that there is someone that will fabricate and sell the
hardware fittings for the plane. Can someone provide me with their name
and address/phone/email?
Thanks,
Steve
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| From: | Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
>
>
>I have heard that there is someone that will fabricate and sell the
>hardware fittings for the plane. Can someone provide me with their name
>and address/phone/email?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Steve
Steve,
As far as I know, Replicraft is out of business. There is a guy named Lee
Stenson who sells a few of the fittings as a kit. He has been advertising
in the BPA newsletter.
His address is:
PO Box 25, Brodhead, WI 53520-0025
608-897-4000
ljsc37(at)yahoo.com
One caution that Mike Cuy & several others have made:
Bernie's drawings for many of his fittings are rather 'stingy' & it is a
good idea to make them slightly longer than the plans call for so that
you'll have room to get the bolts through their holes. The bolt holes on
the motor mount fittings as drawn, for instance, are a real tight fit once
you get your metal firewall & glasscloth insulation in place in front of
the plywood firewall. This isn't the only place where the fittings are a
tad short, however. Frank Pavliga's plane is based near me & I've looked at
it many times in the past couple of months as I've pondered various aspects
of my project. The bolts attaching the lift struts are a pretty tight fit
at both ends, for example, & it's real obvious. Other fittings are similar.
The upshot of all this rambling is that if you 'roll your own', you can
make slight adjustments to the dimensions of your fittings that will make
your life a whole lot easier in the long run. Most of them are simple bends
from flat stock anyway & even I can manage that!
Cheers,
KIp Gardner
426 Schneider St. SE
North Canton, OH 44720
(330) 494-1775
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In a message dated 4/22/02 8:52:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
aircamper(at)imagedv.com writes:
> there was a guy who made excellent quality parts by the name of Steve
> Speidel aka Replicraft/EAPS Aviation. He took $1300 of my money and didn't
> bother to send my entire order. He also scammed several other guys...
>
> SO... while I can't tell you who does, I can tell you who to stay away
from.
>
> DJ Vegh
> Mesa, AZ
He also does parts for the Flybaby. I think several there also gave the same
comment. Could he be having medical problems ? Anyone know him or live close
to the business that could check on him ?
-dennis the menace
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In a message dated 4/22/02 9:46:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net writes:
> One caution that Mike Cuy & several others have made:
>
> Bernie's drawings for many of his fittings are rather 'stingy' & it is a
> good idea to make them slightly longer than the plans call for so that
> you'll have room to get the bolts through their holes.
WOuld it not be a good idea to update the fitting dimensions and put out a
"mod" to the plans so future builders won't have this problem ?
Perhaps Don and Andrew Pietenpol would even participate ?
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| Subject: | Re: Skimpy fittings. |
Jack Phillips and others are correct in stating that, as designed,
the Pietenpol fittings are too small in some dimensions. This can
cause difficulty when installing bolts because things get too tight
in corners (eg. at landing gear/lift strut fittings inside the fuselage).
I enlarged quite a few fittings when I built my Pietenpol. Luckily, I
built the wooden components first and it became obvious that I
was going to be in trouble if I followed the plans when making the
fittings. Had I done so, the bolts attaching the landing gear fittings
would have gone through the lower longeron---something I didn't
like. So I lengthened the fittings enough to allow the bolt holes to
run through the corner blocking thus missing the longeron and pre-
serving its full cross section. I could have lengthened them a bit
more than I did because things are still a bit tight inside the fuse-
lage. As Jack suggested, the 5/8" brace wire fittings are a bit
skimpy. I made mine 3/4" wide for the same reasons he stated.
All fittings have been satisfactory for literally thousands of takeoffs
and landings from pretty rough airstrips.
A recent post mentioned the possibility of publishing a plans sup-
plement with patterns for the modified fittings---perhaps by the
Pietenpol family. This is an excellent idea.
In the meantime, I would recommend building the major wood
components first and then make the steel fittings to suit, using the
original plans as a guide.
Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN)
.
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| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Various sketches that might help as you build...... |
Many thanks to Carl Loar for posting these chicken-scratch drawings of mine
on his web site. I keep forgetting to post the link, but here it is:
Mike C.
http://cvl.virtualave.net/mikedraw.htm
These are the various sketches you will find:
Leading edge
Trailing edge
Nose tank 1
Nose tank 2
Nose tank 3
Elevator Trim 1
Elevator Trim 2
Anchor for Tailgear assembly 1
Anchor for Tailgear assembly 2
Carl's Method for Leading and Trailing edge
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| From: | "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard(at)titan.com> |
| Subject: | Skimpy fittings. |
Graham,
You're doing better than I did--I built the wood structures first and still
made my landing gear fittings twice! Along the same lines, if you build the
wood structure for the wing center section first, it's impossible to mount
the combined wing / cabane strut fitting as a single piece. I wound up with
the fitting bolted together instead of welded. When you do the stress
analysis at that point, it's not even clear that the cabane struts are in
tension, so I'm not terribly worried about strength at that point, but it
was a bit disconcerting to find no way to assemble the piece.
Gene Hubbard
San Diego
-----Original Message-----
From: Graham Hansen [mailto:grhans@cable-lynx.net]
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Skimpy fittings.
<grhans@cable-lynx.net>
Jack Phillips and others are correct in stating that, as designed,
the Pietenpol fittings are too small in some dimensions. This can
cause difficulty when installing bolts because things get too tight
in corners (eg. at landing gear/lift strut fittings inside the fuselage).
I enlarged quite a few fittings when I built my Pietenpol. Luckily, I
built the wooden components first and it became obvious that I
was going to be in trouble if I followed the plans when making the
fittings. Had I done so, the bolts attaching the landing gear fittings
would have gone through the lower longeron---something I didn't
like. So I lengthened the fittings enough to allow the bolt holes to
run through the corner blocking thus missing the longeron and pre-
serving its full cross section. I could have lengthened them a bit
more than I did because things are still a bit tight inside the fuse-
lage. As Jack suggested, the 5/8" brace wire fittings are a bit
skimpy. I made mine 3/4" wide for the same reasons he stated.
All fittings have been satisfactory for literally thousands of takeoffs
and landings from pretty rough airstrips.
A recent post mentioned the possibility of publishing a plans sup-
plement with patterns for the modified fittings---perhaps by the
Pietenpol family. This is an excellent idea.
In the meantime, I would recommend building the major wood
components first and then make the steel fittings to suit, using the
original plans as a guide.
Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN)
.
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| From: | "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard(at)titan.com> |
Steve,
I started down that route too. I got all of the parts I paid for, but never
figured out what plane some of them were for. Some turned out to be useful.
The metalwork is part of the fun. Get yourself a metal cutting bandsaw from
Grizzly (about $200), a big vise, a big grinder, and some files, and start
cutting out the easy parts. The Bengelis books have enough information to
get you started. Make up a set of mild steel radiused jaws for the vice to
bend parts over. I have one jaw at (approximately) .090 radius and one at
(approximately) .063. I bend 13-14 gauge parts to the back and 16 gauge
parts forward.
Start learning how to do your own welding. I did crafts-related evening
class at the University, then bought a gas rig and started burning up gas.
The Pietenpol design is such that most of the welds are either
non-structural, or if structural, not heavily loaded. For example, nothing
happens if the elevator hinge welds fail--they don't support hold anything
in flight.
Take your work to the local EAA gatherings and ask for opinions. You'll be
the center of attention, and you'll find the people who actually have advice
to give. You'll also find out who is good at the critical stuff and likes
to do it for airplanes in your area. You'll also get a pretty good feeling
for what you feel comfortable doing, and what you really want done by a
profesional. At this point, you'll have your own network, and not need my
advice anymore.
Gene Hubbard
San Diego
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven G. Isaacs, MD [mailto:flysgi(at)mindspring.com]
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hardware
I have heard that there is someone that will fabricate and sell the
hardware fittings for the plane. Can someone provide me with their name
and address/phone/email?
Thanks,
Steve
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| From: | "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard(at)titan.com> |
Hi Guys,
I'm to the point of running control cables, and I'm looking for information.
As shown on the plans, the top elevator cables lay on the leading edge of
the stabilizer in the down-elevator position, and the rudder cables have to
snake through the fuselage structure, touching both upright and diagonal on
their way from the inside to the outside of the fuselage. Looking at the
photo archives, people appear to have dealt with this in a number of ways,
from moving the idler crank to armoring the stabilizer, to just letting it
happen. Those of you who have been there, how did you handle the situation?
Thanks,
Gene Hubbard
San Diego
Plane on three wheels--motor mount done this weekend!
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| From: | "Jeff Hill" <jeff2dogs(at)hotmail.com> |
Hello gang, a couple of days ago, Steven G. Isaacs asked about who made Piet
hardware. Vitalis Kapler in Rochester, MN makes hinges and fittings for the
tail feathers. He may make more stuff. His # is
507-288-3322.
Jeff in TX getting back to the fuselage
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| From: | catdesigns(at)juno.com |
Question: Does the metal tabs for the front pulley (the single one in
front of the control stick) on the control torque tube get welded to the
aileron horn and the tube or are they in front the horn and only welded
to the tube?
Chris
Sacramento, CA
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| From: | "Steven G. Isaacs, MD" <flysgi(at)mindspring.com> |
Gene: thanks so much for the advice, the metal work is the most
intimidating. I will try to learn some of it, and maybe it will go better
than I think. It just seems that these are parts that are pretty critical,
and I am not so sure that I want to learn on them. I am exploring some of
the local machine shops and possibly contracting them to do the work.
Steve
>
>Steve,
>
>I started down that route too. I got all of the parts I paid for, but never
>figured out what plane some of them were for. Some turned out to be useful.
>
>The metalwork is part of the fun. Get yourself a metal cutting bandsaw from
>Grizzly (about $200), a big vise, a big grinder, and some files, and start
>cutting out the easy parts. The Bengelis books have enough information to
>get you started. Make up a set of mild steel radiused jaws for the vice to
>bend parts over. I have one jaw at (approximately) .090 radius and one at
>(approximately) .063. I bend 13-14 gauge parts to the back and 16 gauge
>parts forward.
>
>Start learning how to do your own welding. I did crafts-related evening
>class at the University, then bought a gas rig and started burning up gas.
>The Pietenpol design is such that most of the welds are either
>non-structural, or if structural, not heavily loaded. For example, nothing
>happens if the elevator hinge welds fail--they don't support hold anything
>in flight.
>
>Take your work to the local EAA gatherings and ask for opinions. You'll be
>the center of attention, and you'll find the people who actually have advice
>to give. You'll also find out who is good at the critical stuff and likes
>to do it for airplanes in your area. You'll also get a pretty good feeling
>for what you feel comfortable doing, and what you really want done by a
>profesional. At this point, you'll have your own network, and not need my
>advice anymore.
>
>Gene Hubbard
>San Diego
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steven G. Isaacs, MD [mailto:flysgi(at)mindspring.com]
>To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hardware
>
>
>
>
>I have heard that there is someone that will fabricate and sell the
>hardware fittings for the plane. Can someone provide me with their name
>and address/phone/email?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Steve
>
>
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| From: | "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Control tube ?? |
Chris I welded the tabs to the tube and the horn. They kindof reinforce each other
that way but if you look closely at the plans , they dont show welds in that
area?? That pulley bracket's load is doubled because the cable makes almost
a 180 degree turn around it so I thought the extra weld area would help. I put
the control stick bushings in first and then had to
notch out the aeirleron horn to get it to slide over them so if you haven't welded
the bushings
in yet do the horn first. Ed Grentzer
nFrom: catdesigns(at)juno.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control tube ??
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:15:22 -0700
-- Pietenpol-List message posted by: catdesigns(at)juno.com
Question: Does the metal tabs for the front pulley (the single one in
front of the control stick) on the control torque tube get welded to the
aileron horn and the tube or are they in front the horn and only welded
to the tube?
Chris
Sacramento, CA
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| From: | "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard(at)titan.com> |
Steve,
I started off the same way, but then found there were too many pieces that I
had to custom fit anyway. All of the pieces are critical, otherwise they
wouldn't be there. But they're not all hard to make. Don't think of having
to make everything right the first time. Try it, let people look at it, and
maybe do it over. I have lots of funny-shaped scrap pieces. Except for the
lift struts, the raw material cost is almost insignificant. A couple of
months ago, someone on the list commented on the freedom of "real"
homebuilding in that we don't have to pay a lot of money and wait for a new
one. In any case, enjoy the experience.
Gene
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| From: | "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
| Subject: | Wing fittings question |
I have a question about attaching the wing fittings (eg. the lift strut
fittings, cabane fittings) to the spars. Has anyone/everyone put 1/16" ply
under the fittings to "beef up" the spruce and help keep it from being
crushed when the bolts are tightend? It would seem prudent, but I can't see
where it is called for on the plans.
Thanks, Ted Brousseau
Naples, FL (where it's starting to feel like LA in the summertime)
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Wing fittings question |
Ted,
I fought this problem for weeks.Right or wrong this was my solution.
1. Used 1/8 birch on either sides of the spar at root and strut positions.
This gave me a full 1 inch between steel fittings.
2.In order for the wing fittings to fit outside the center section fittings,
I planed down the center section spars so as to make the fit the correct size
by using 1/16 plywood on either sides of the center section spars .080 +
.0625+ 0.715 + .0625 + .080
Steel+Plywood+CS Spar+Plywood+Steel
Hope this makes sense and more hopefully I hope it holds together when my
gracious, good looking, handsome, wealthy and able test pilot flys like a big
bird.
Corky in the middle of the night in La working on that building log for the
FAA man.
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| From: | catdesigns(at)juno.com |
I too was very intimidated by the metal parts. I tried for several
months (about 9) to get someone to help me make and weld the parts. But
I had no luck. Several people offered but when it came down to helping
they didn't. My project started to grind to a halt. So I purchased the
Welding video tape and the Welding book from the EAA (thanks to Chris
Bubka for getting these for 1/2 off the usual over price cost) then took
a welding class form the Craft Center at the local University. I brought
in thin sheet metal to class so I could practice on it. The instructor
wasn't that great with the thin stuff we are using but good enough. My
welding was well lets just say not the best in the class. I read then
reread the welding articles on the EAA web site (very good articles). I
read Tony Bengals books on metal work, bent some metal, didn't like the
results bent some more using wood blocks between the hammer and the
metal, liked the results much better. By the way do all this with mild
steel because it is cheaper then 4130. Last month I gave up on finding
someone to do my welding and plunked down 450 bucks (ouch) on a gas
welding rig (small torch with two 40cf oxy acet tanks cart goggles gloves
000, 00, 0 tips etc..) got some OX-Weld #7 welding rod and went to
practice my welding. I promised my self I was going to learn. Well
after watching the EAA Video for the 1000th time it finally started to
click. I could produce a reasonable looking "T" weld. I practice the
type of weld I need to do next. Like edge welding two pieces together
(actually quite easy if you have absolutely no gap between the two
pieces, I used a little clamping pressure to get them together nice and
tight). So after a month and a half of practice I finally screwed up the
courage to weld my aileron horn hafts together. Came out ok, looked
reasonably good if I do say so my self. So following on my recent
success I bit the bullet and welded the aileron horn to the control tube,
fearing I would ruin all my hard work the whole time. Gosh I was nervous.
I must give my wife credit for her ability to act excited at 11:30 at
night when I proudly entered the house with my tube in hand grinning like
a silly child. See what I just made, oh sorry did I wake you, now that
your awake, see what I just made. I felt so proud I wanted to bring it
to work the next day, like Show and Tell (I didn't but I should have). I
have discovered that I like to weld and form metal. I am not great but I
know I will get better and I am satisfied my welds are fine. What I'm
trying to say Steve and every one else is don't be afraid of the metal
work. I had never welded in my life. All I did was practice 1 to 2
hours a couple times a week after my wife and baby son went to sleep.
And as it turns out it's not that hard to weld after all. Take a look at
some metal parts that have been welded by professionals so you know what
you are shooting for. Now I must admit if you are building a show plane
that needs to be perfect pay the money to have then TIG welded. But I
think it is going to be so cool to say I built every part on this plane
my self. The added bonus is the total high you get by make something you
felt was beyond your capabilities.
Sorry to be long winded but I had to tell some one about the cool
airplane part I just welded. And shhhhh my wife is asleep so keep the
oo's and ah's to a whisper.
Chris the Torch Tracy
Sacramento, CA
writes:
>
>
> Gene: thanks so much for the advice, the metal work is the most
> intimidating. I will try to learn some of it, and maybe it will go
> better
> than I think. It just seems that these are parts that are pretty
> critical,
> and I am not so sure that I want to learn on them. I am exploring
> some of
> the local machine shops and possibly contracting them to do the
> work.
>
> Steve
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Wing fittings question |
| From: | catdesigns(at)juno.com |
Hey Corky, call your local FAA man and ask what he considers a sufficient
building log. One of the inspectors around here said they have see 20+
books of photos and time sheets to 10 to 20 pictures showing a young man
then a older man then a grey haired man working on a plane. Nothing
written just pictures and a few receipts. They accepted both.
You could always print out some of your question from the archives to
prove you were working on this or that part to go along with the photos.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
>
> Ted,
> I fought this problem for weeks.Right or wrong this was my
> solution.
> 1. Used 1/8 birch on either sides of the spar at root and strut
> positions.
> This gave me a full 1 inch between steel fittings.
> 2.In order for the wing fittings to fit outside the center section
> fittings,
> I planed down the center section spars so as to make the fit the
> correct size
> by using 1/16 plywood on either sides of the center section spars
> .080 +
> .0625+ 0.715 + .0625 + .080
> Steel+Plywood+CS Spar+Plywood+Steel
> Hope this makes sense and more hopefully I hope it holds together
> when my
> gracious, good looking, handsome, wealthy and able test pilot flys
> like a big
> bird.
> Corky in the middle of the night in La working on that building log
> for the
> FAA man.
>
>
>
>
> messages.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | clif <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | hardware, metal and welding |
I've been gas welding on and off for years( hobby, not professional)
and prided myself on good welds but along comes this thin, 4130
stuff and that certainly changed. I can sympathize with others
frustrations. But here's something to check out-
www.airbum.com. There's an article called "Zen and the Art of
the Weld Puddle" which has given me a lot of help. Bud Davisson,
the owner of Airbum has a lot of other good articles and stuff here
as well.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gene Rambo" <rambog(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing fittings question |
I'm doing it, it's just good practice. If you do, you need to make the
strut fittings 1/8" wider than called for in the plans. Actually, the
Flying & Glider plans show 1/16" ply on both sides of the fitting, not under
it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Brousseau <nfn00979(at)naples.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing fittings question
>
> I have a question about attaching the wing fittings (eg. the lift strut
> fittings, cabane fittings) to the spars. Has anyone/everyone put 1/16"
ply
> under the fittings to "beef up" the spruce and help keep it from being
> crushed when the bolts are tightend? It would seem prudent, but I can't
see
> where it is called for on the plans.
>
> Thanks, Ted Brousseau
> Naples, FL (where it's starting to feel like LA in the summertime)
>
>
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
To all good Pieters,
Today was a great day. I wrote the FAA man requesting the naked inspection.
It may happen within the next month. I'm ready. One has never read so much
creative writing. Maybe I should have been a novelist. While assembling N41CC
at Lucein Field the last 2 days I decided to give it the old weight test
again. Using the leading edge of the wing as datum point I arrived at a
figure of 8.55 ( Empty weight C G )
Empty weight without cover, fuel and oil is 498 lbs.This seems very low
compared to some of you who have passed this stage in building. I would sure
appreciate some comments on these figures as I'm beginning to become very
skeptical of my building.
Experimented with some covering the last week. Poly brush, with brush, 3
coats. Not happy with it as it leaves brush marks. Sprayed the Poly fill 3
coats but could still see the brush marks. Then I went to eruthane floor
paint. Looks like that Polytone which is a dead look. I did not sand any
coats. Then I selected a small section and lightly sanded it. Next day, where
there had been several little tits before sanding, there appeared little pin
holes. What a mess. After four days a sharp fingernail can remove the paint.
I don't quite know what to do as I hate the look of that Polytone.
Anyone of you suffered this delimina? I sure want to have it resolved by the
time the Fed man says "cover it". I plan to get a crew organized and go
through this covering job like a dose of Epsom Salts.
Seriously, if any of you care to provide me with your suggestions on covering
I sure want to hear from you.
Corky in La teaching his bride and her bridge club how to rib stitch.
Better not archive, keep the purists happy
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| From: | del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com> |
--- Isablcorky(at)aol.com wrote:
> Isablcorky(at)aol.com
>
> To all good Pieters,
> Today was a great day. I wrote the FAA man
> requesting the naked inspection.
> It may happen within the next month.
It is my understanding that there is no requirement
for a naked inspection in the US, and I assume your
talking US when you say FAA. or were you talking about
your bride and her bridge club?
Del
http://health.yahoo.com
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
Del, I was talking about the FAA AND my bride in my last message. The reason,
to repeat myself, for the naked inspection is because the FAA man wants it
that way whether it's reg or not. I'm so happy to have one agree to inspect
my project that I would never have questioned whether it was reg or not. My
attitude is the more inspections the better by the Feds or other builders or
anyone. Maybe someone would see something that might save a life.
Corky living the GOOD life in La with his bride learning to tie those knots
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| From: | "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing fittings question |
Thanks for the good explaination Corky.
Gene,
I am glad to see I was reading the plans correctly. It didn't make sense
and that is why I asked. I am getting ready to weld the strut fittings and
naturally wanted them to be the right size. 1/8" wider they will be.
Thanks, Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Rambo" <rambog(at)erols.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing fittings question
>
> I'm doing it, it's just good practice. If you do, you need to make the
> strut fittings 1/8" wider than called for in the plans. Actually, the
> Flying & Glider plans show 1/16" ply on both sides of the fitting, not
under
> it.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ted Brousseau <nfn00979(at)naples.net>
> To:
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing fittings question
>
>
>
> >
> > I have a question about attaching the wing fittings (eg. the lift strut
> > fittings, cabane fittings) to the spars. Has anyone/everyone put 1/16"
> ply
> > under the fittings to "beef up" the spruce and help keep it from being
> > crushed when the bolts are tightend? It would seem prudent, but I can't
> see
> > where it is called for on the plans.
> >
> > Thanks, Ted Brousseau
> > Naples, FL (where it's starting to feel like LA in the summertime)
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
Corky,
I covered my tail feathers last month. Brushed on one coat of Poly Brush.
Looks great with no brush marks. Plan to spray a couple more coats on. I
wonder if you thinned the Poly Brush? Or maybe it was a hot and/or windy
day and it set up before it could flow into the fabric. My fabric still
shows the treads quite clearly and not one brush mark.
Ted (making much slower progress in SW FL than Corky is and wishing his wife
played bridge)
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky(at)aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Big Day
> Experimented with some covering the last week. Poly brush, with brush, 3
> coats. Not happy with it as it leaves brush marks. Sprayed the Poly fill 3
> coats but could still see the brush marks. Then I went to eruthane floor
> paint. Looks like that Polytone which is a dead look. I did not sand any
> coats. Then I selected a small section and lightly sanded it. Next day,
where
> there had been several little tits before sanding, there appeared little
pin
> holes. What a mess. After four days a sharp fingernail can remove the
paint.
> I don't quite know what to do as I hate the look of that Polytone.
> Anyone of you suffered this delimina? I sure want to have it resolved by
the
> time the Fed man says "cover it". I plan to get a crew organized and go
> through this covering job like a dose of Epsom Salts.
> Seriously, if any of you care to provide me with your suggestions on
covering
> I sure want to hear from you.
> Corky in La teaching his bride and her bridge club how to rib stitch.
>
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
To all ya'll Pieters,
Boy did My test pilot give me the works today. He came out with his
flashlight and mag glass. He has as much ahead of me to correct as I have
completed during the last two years. It's ok as I need as much close
inspection as I can get. He did ask me if I had consulted the list about my 2
degree dihedral. All ya'll give me your feelings about that. I can cut it
down to 1 1/2 if need be. I really like the cock of angle at 2.
Corky in La trying to decide what to use for the final coat to give me a
gloss
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brants" <tmbrant(at)uswest.net> |
| Subject: | jigging of fuse sides |
I am ready to jig my two fuse sides together. I've assisted on building
a One Design fuselage (steel tube) but this is a bit different in that
you build the sides first, then jig them together. I've read up on the
procedures they highlight in the EAA book "Wood" and am planning on
using something similar. Are there any tips or time saving advice
anyone has regarding this? Basically, I'm planning to build some
"uprights" that are square to the table, which I will clamp the fuse
sides in. I'll also use jig blocks to keep the shape correct at the
table end of things... Then start adding the cross members, etc...
Also I will soon need advice on making the tail post joint. Anyone have
advice, photos on this?
Anyone know where to locate some white ash in the Minneapolis area? I
really haven't looked anywhere except Home Depot and Menards, which I
assumed didn't have it. I was right.
I have to say I'm pretty excited about this! Soon the fuselage will be
more than just a flat truss with plywood glued on - it will start to
look like an airplane. I've left one of the sides free of the plywood
skin so that fitting and installation of controls and such will be
easier. I'm not too thrilled about gluing the side on later though,
since there will be a bit of a curve in the fuselage. Obviously it can
be done but it adds a bit of difficulty.
Tom Brant, Mpls
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DJ Vegh" <aircamper(at)imagedv.com> |
| Subject: | jigging of fuse sides |
Hi Tom,
I was where you were at about 6 weeks ago. Joining the fuse sides was a
major accomplishment! Maybe some of my thoughts will be of help.
First order of business is to strike a chalk line on the center of your
table to align everything to. Then, I made some 3/4" MDF squares at required
dimensions that I secured to the table, and then clamped the sides to them.
This guaranteed a square fit.
As for tail post, I pulled the tail post together after it was all jigged up
on the table and marked the angled lines by looking down from the top. I
used a belt sander with 50 grit paper and made an easy go of it. Took about
20 minutes and I had a perfectly mating tail post area.
Some say to only glue the first few stations then pull the tail post
together after the first few in the front have dried. I say no. I do it all
in one shot. What I did was a dry fit with the MDF squares in stations 0, 1,
2 & 3 and then clamped the tail post together with C-Clamps. I then cut the
cross sticks at all the stations to the required size and angle. Think about
it, as the tail narrows the fuse sides are NOT parallel to each other, they
are only parallel at one point and not for long. If you don't pull the tail
post together you won't get the cross stick ends at the front stations at
the right angle. Even if you don't want to do it all on one shot, at least
pull the tail posts together to find the proper size and angle for the cross
sticks.
Once all the sticks were cut I called my dad and girlfriend over to help
out. One thing about joining fuse sides is you can't have too many people.
Extra eyes, hands and opinions are welcome! We took apart the dry fit fuse
and commenced to gluing. We started at station 2 then went to 3 and then 1
and 0. Last was the tail post. All sorts of clamps were used in the
process, but the best clamp for this job was the Pony strap clamp. Wrap it
around the fuse at each station and torque it down. Because of the MDF
squares attached to the table the fuse has no choice but to be square.
One thing you'll find is that when gluing the cross sticks to the fuse sides
where the fuse sides are at an angle, i.e., aft of the rear seat, the sticks
will want to pop out away from the angle. I solved this by placing 2"
spring clamps on the longerons to keep the sticks from sliding.
You'll want to check for square every few minutes. I must have checked at
least 30 times. But in the end my fuse is as square as square gets and when
I look back at it, it was not hard at all. It just requires a bit of
patience and careful planning. The night before you do it, just sit for a
half hour and think of exactly what steps you will do and it what order...
what tools you will need, clamps, etc. Make it a days project and start
fresh in the morning with a good clear mind. Within a few hours you'll have
your fuse jigged, clamped and gluing. Success!
I put my 3mm Okoume ply sides (see www.noahsmarine.com for great prices on
Okoume marine ply) on after joining the fuse and it was not difficult at
all. It makes no difference if you do it now or later, but my thought is to
do it later because it makes pulling the tail post together a tad easier and
gives access to put in control stick assembly. In the end I ended up
putting the sides on before I put my controls in and I'm not finding it hard
to do, but I'm tall (6'4) and I have long arms.
Hope these tips help... You can see a ton of pics on my site at
www.imagedv.com/aircamper just go to the log and select the day I joined
the fuse.
ohhh one other thing... leave the fuse clamped for at least 24 hours... 36
is better. End grain joints are prone to popping loose so let the glue
fully cure.
DJ Vegh
Mesa, AZ
GN-1 Builder
www.raptoronline.com
N74DV
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| From: | "Bert Conoly" <bconoly(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Discovery Wings |
Pieters FYI:
I just watched a 30 minute long program on Discovery Wings (ahhh, I love
digital Cable TV). Evidently this year's project is some goofy British
clown bumbling his way through the construction of a fiberglass project.
Unfortunately, the dopey humor and slapstick antics (yes, he actually fell
over backwards, yucking it up, at the end) takes away from the theme. It
almost stinks enough to compare to the sad program a few years back that
showed some nerd in his unsuccesful quest to assemble a kit in 30 days.
Remember that one?
BUT_ They actually interviewed and photographed G-Piet ,a Beautiful Piet
(obviously a British registration), and talked about "plans-built"
projects. Gave Mr. Peitenpol some air time. They only spent about 3 or 4
minutes on this segment. Then went back to the Jerry Lewis thing.
As usual, in today's times, the goofy overwhelms reality.
I wish they'd contact some of us. I bet Mike Cuy or Steve Eldridge or Doc
Moser or Don Hicks or Larry Harrison or any one of those guys up at
Broadhead (that I don't know) could show them how a plane's built. Oh well,
watch it if you want
Later, Bert
(who's ready for cover on the fuse - is in proud possession of spars, and
wishes he could retire early and finish this airplane).
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | javier cruz <javcr(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: jigging of fuse sides |
Hi friends
Hi Tom
Glue the Fuselage sides it's not hard, just take care
aboul alignament, draw a line on the table, and marc
exactly the center of the fuselage top and bottom, put
four 90 degrees press on the front side and check all
the way the correct 90 degrees of the sides whit a
square or a plumb, you can use the line on the table
for the correct tail cut.
I will send you some pictures for better explain..
good luck
Javier Cruz..
http://health.yahoo.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov> |
Corky---I kept no building log at all but the FAA guy was totally happy
with the 100 or so photos I had and folders and folders of invoices I had
from Wicks, ASS, and Dillsburg Aeroworks.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov> |
>
> He did ask me if I had consulted the list about my 2
>degree dihedral. All ya'll give me your feelings about that. I can cut it
>down to 1 1/2 if need be.
Corky---Birds have dihedral and my Piet has somewhere between 1.5 and 2.0
degrees and with over 200 hours on it I can say........go for it.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)startribune.com> |
| Subject: | Re: jigging of fuse sides |
Tom,
Try Youngblood Lumber 612 789-3521, Scherer Bros. 612 379-9633 Siwek Lumber 612
781-3333 or Hiawatha Lumber 612 729-2358. I found ash at Youngbloods.
Greg Cardinal
>>> tmbrant(at)uswest.net 04/28/02 10:47PM >>>
Anyone know where to locate some white ash in the Minneapolis area? I
really haven't looked anywhere except Home Depot and Menards, which I
assumed didn't have it. I was right.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kent Hallsten <KHallsten(at)governair.com> |
| Subject: | Spar article - Greg Cardinal |
Greg,
Received the article this weekend, thank you. After reading it
over, it seems that I-beam spars are a good way to get a spar, but I noticed
that the I-beam becomes thicker than the solid spar for the same strength.
Since I have the spar opening on my ribs set at 3/4" , it looks like I'll
need to go with a solid spar.
Kent
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Hallsten [mailto:KHallsten(at)governair.com]
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spar article - Greg Cardinal
Greg,
Do you still have the article from Sport Aviation 1961 by Paul Best
about I-beam spars vs. solid spars? If you do are you able to e-mail it to
me? I understand it had some pictures?
Kent Hallsten
Oklahoma City
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
All good Pieters,
Need help finding the new numbers, e-mail or address for the NEW Superflite
Company. Can anyone help?
Corky in La
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)startribune.com> |
| Subject: | Spar article - Greg Cardinal |
Kent,
This is the corner most of us paint ourselves into when we build the ribs first!
With a 3/4" opening in the rib a solid spar is your only option. It is also the
easiest spar to build.
Greg Cardinal
>>> KHallsten(at)governair.com 04/29/02 12:32PM >>>
Greg,
Received the article this weekend, thank you. After reading it
over, it seems that I-beam spars are a good way to get a spar, but I noticed
that the I-beam becomes thicker than the solid spar for the same strength.
Since I have the spar opening on my ribs set at 3/4" , it looks like I'll
need to go with a solid spar.
Kent
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Hallsten [mailto:KHallsten(at)governair.com]
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spar article - Greg Cardinal
Greg,
Do you still have the article from Sport Aviation 1961 by Paul Best
about I-beam spars vs. solid spars? If you do are you able to e-mail it to
me? I understand it had some pictures?
Kent Hallsten
Oklahoma City
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
Here ya go Corky.
http://www.superflite.com/
By phone: (800) 323-0611 or possibly (847) 350-4000.
-Gary McNeel
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:49:50 EDT
>
>All good Pieters,
>Need help finding the new numbers, e-mail or address for the NEW Superflite
>Company. Can anyone help?
>Corky in La
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: jigging of fuse sides |
| From: | "D.Dale Johnson" <dd5john(at)juno.com> |
Hi Tom
I have some white ash left over from our Pete.
Live in Burnsville give me a call 952 890 3905
Dale
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
Pieters,
I was crowing yesterday about the cocky 2 degree dihedral in N41CC. Well, it
won't work. Today while trying to smooth the aileron controls I find the
idler, top, aileron cable rubbing on everything in the centersection top.
Soooooooooooo we lower the height of the last rid spar point from 4 inches
above c/s level to 2 inches, this is a little short of 1 degree. It really
makes the Piet look more like a Piet. Sorry to tie up so much time on the
net. Maybe it will save someone some time when they reach this stage of
building.
Corky in La cooking some jambalaya for his bride tonite.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | javier cruz <javcr(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi Piets
Well, i am ready for order the prop, WW sugest Warp
drive, it will be fine, but i would like the opinion
of the Piets here that actually are flying, about any
wooden prop, My Corvair engine is taking form, with
Marvel carburator, Delta cam and front start, so any
comments about any dealer, Size, Pitch, etc..
Thanks for your help..
Javier Cruz
http://health.yahoo.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Navratril" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: jigging of fuse sides |
Tom
The Woodwoorkers Store on 30th and Lyndale also has it.
Dick Navratil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brants" <tmbrant(at)uswest.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: jigging of fuse sides
>
> I am ready to jig my two fuse sides together. I've assisted on building
> a One Design fuselage (steel tube) but this is a bit different in that
> you build the sides first, then jig them together. I've read up on the
> procedures they highlight in the EAA book "Wood" and am planning on
> using something similar. Are there any tips or time saving advice
> anyone has regarding this? Basically, I'm planning to build some
> "uprights" that are square to the table, which I will clamp the fuse
> sides in. I'll also use jig blocks to keep the shape correct at the
> table end of things... Then start adding the cross members, etc...
> Also I will soon need advice on making the tail post joint. Anyone have
> advice, photos on this?
>
> Anyone know where to locate some white ash in the Minneapolis area? I
> really haven't looked anywhere except Home Depot and Menards, which I
> assumed didn't have it. I was right.
>
> I have to say I'm pretty excited about this! Soon the fuselage will be
> more than just a flat truss with plywood glued on - it will start to
> look like an airplane. I've left one of the sides free of the plywood
> skin so that fitting and installation of controls and such will be
> easier. I'm not too thrilled about gluing the side on later though,
> since there will be a bit of a curve in the fuselage. Obviously it can
> be done but it adds a bit of difficulty.
>
> Tom Brant, Mpls
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Dihedral Again |
Gene,
And all this time I thought you were my friend. I am a very centsitve ole
man with tenderfeelings and when one compares me with others I always take
offence. I will try to forgive this one time.
On the dihedral bit, if you raise the wing tips the aileron cables also rise.
The upper equalizer cable also rises in the center section. It's that simple.
I had my wing tips so high that I just plum ran out of room.
Corky in La with lower wing tips
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doc Mosher <docshop(at)tds.net> |
| Subject: | The focus of FAA |
Pieters -
John Ballentyne, who has been an ultralight guru for some years now, and a
voice of reason in dealings with the FAA has a piece on the aviation
internet newsletter propwash@aero-news.net on 04.29.02. His comments
pertaining to ultralights pertain to the FAA Sport Pilot proposal, but
they sure have meaning for Piet people. Here are some excerpts:
"The evolutionary trend has gradually increased the value of aviation
sports where participants choose craft that often appear unconventional but
fly well, and are too slow to be used for reliable transportation. They
are for fun flying. They cost no more than their motorized counterparts in
water and land sports. Flying, especially at slow speeds and in open
cockpits, is tremendously rewarding. It is like you are flying. This
trend is not a reinvention of airplanes so much as an expansion of
recreation. It is intensely personal."
"FAA's focus on transportation is precluding a clear view of the issues in
air sports."
"FAA focus on transportation is eclipsing an accurate view of air sports
activity."
A long time ago Phillip Wills, a world soaring champion who lived in the
UK, said (and I paraphrase) "There are a lot of things that are necessary
and have a necessary place - the fire department or the Ministry of Supply
come to mind. There are some things of absolutely no intrinsic value
whatsoever - moonlight on the water or Brahms music come to mind. But our
lives would be shallow indeed without them." He put soaring in that "no
intrinsic value whatsoever" category, but did not want to live without it.
He also said "when I want to go somewhere, I buy a ticket on an
airliner. But when I want to fly, I get into my sailplane."
Doc Mosher
Oshkosh USA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Dilatush" <dilatush(at)amigo.net> |
| Subject: | Re: The focus of FAA |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doc Mosher" <docshop(at)tds.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The focus of FAA
>
> Pieters -
>
> John Ballentyne, who has been an ultralight guru for some years now, and a
> voice of reason in dealings with the FAA has a piece on the aviation
> internet newsletter propwash@aero-news.net on 04.29.02. His comments
> pertaining to ultralights pertain to the FAA Sport Pilot proposal, but
> they sure have meaning for Piet people. Here are some excerpts:
>
> "The evolutionary trend has gradually increased the value of aviation
> sports where participants choose craft that often appear unconventional
but
> fly well, and are too slow to be used for reliable transportation. They
> are for fun flying. They cost no more than their motorized counterparts
in
> water and land sports. Flying, especially at slow speeds and in open
> cockpits, is tremendously rewarding. It is like you are flying. This
> trend is not a reinvention of airplanes so much as an expansion of
> recreation. It is intensely personal."
>
> "FAA's focus on transportation is precluding a clear view of the issues in
> air sports."
>
> "FAA focus on transportation is eclipsing an accurate view of air sports
> activity."
>
> A long time ago Phillip Wills, a world soaring champion who lived in the
> UK, said (and I paraphrase) "There are a lot of things that are necessary
> and have a necessary place - the fire department or the Ministry of Supply
> come to mind. There are some things of absolutely no intrinsic value
> whatsoever - moonlight on the water or Brahms music come to mind. But our
> lives would be shallow indeed without them." He put soaring in that "no
> intrinsic value whatsoever" category, but did not want to live without it.
> He also said "when I want to go somewhere, I buy a ticket on an
> airliner. But when I want to fly, I get into my sailplane."
>
> Doc Mosher
> Oshkosh USA
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Well said Doc!
John
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Sayre, William G" <william.g.sayre(at)boeing.com> |
| Subject: | Model-A exhaust studs |
Has anyone modifying the Model-A per the prints discovered that the holes
for the exhaust stack hold-down bolts penetrate through into a cavity?
Hoping this is normal.
Pietenpolingly,
Bill Sayre
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DonanClara(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Model-A exhaust studs |
Yea Bill, my first clue was that damp stuff coming out of the water jacket !!
Not to worry, just slap a little hi-temp RTV on the threads and put 'em
back. Mine now has about 20 hours on it and no leaks. Don Hicks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dick and Marge Gillespie" <dickmarg(at)peganet.com> |
| Subject: | Covering Materials |
Does anyone know if the Superflite dacron will work with the Poly-Fiber
process?
DickG.
Ft. Myers, FL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms(at)msn.com> |
Yo, listers!
The FAA officially told me that I have an airplane this morning. NX899LW
exists!!!!
I handed in my paperwork last Monday, got a call on Thursday to set the date and
this morning at 10:00 THE MAN showed up. He looked it all over for about 15
minutes, said it looked wonderful and that he was envious and
sat down with his stack of stuff. The pile of paperwork took over an hour to complete
and he was gone. It was that simple. The reason it was that
simple is because he's done about 400 homebuilts, absolutely KNOWS what he's doing,
and doesn't have an ego that gets in the way. Ahh, that all beaurocrats were
like him.
Anyway- the projected schedule looks like it's running along pretty well. Step
one was getting the airplane ready. Step two is to get me ready. That's moving
along, too although not as quickly as I want it to. I know, "patience", but my
patience is a little thin now that the Piet's sitting there ready to go and
looking all seductive......
Brodhead looks like a distinct possibility. But gee, that's what I said last year!
Later-
Larry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu> |
Congratulations! I'd like to see pictures of the yellow beauty! The
offer is still there for a test pilot....
Steve E
-----Original Message-----
From: LAWRENCE WILLIAMS [mailto:lnawms(at)msn.com]
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Piet
Yo, listers!
The FAA officially told me that I have an airplane this morning. NX899LW
exists!!!!
I handed in my paperwork last Monday, got a call on Thursday to set the
date and this morning at 10:00 THE MAN showed up. He looked it all over
for about 15 minutes, said it looked wonderful and that he was envious and
sat down with his stack of stuff. The pile of paperwork took over an
hour to complete and he was gone. It was that simple. The reason it was that
simple is because he's done about 400 homebuilts, absolutely KNOWS what
he's doing, and doesn't have an ego that gets in the way. Ahh, that all
beaurocrats were like him.
Anyway- the projected schedule looks like it's running along pretty
well. Step one was getting the airplane ready. Step two is to get me ready.
That's moving along, too although not as quickly as I want it to. I know,
"patience", but my patience is a little thin now that the Piet's sitting
there ready to go and looking all seductive......
Brodhead looks like a distinct possibility. But gee, that's what I said
last year!
Later-
Larry
=
=
=
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list
=
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jeffrey Wilcox" <craigwilcox(at)peoplepc.com> |
>
> Yo, listers!
>
> The FAA officially told me that I have an airplane this morning. NX899LW
> exists!!!!
>
My most heart-felt CONGRATULATIONS!!!
Craig
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jeffrey Wilcox" <craigwilcox(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Covering Materials |
Dick - ANY dacron will work with Polyfiber. Just need the PMA stamp if you
are re-covering a store-bought airplane.
Craig
>
> Does anyone know if the Superflite dacron will work with the Poly-Fiber
> process?
>
> DickG.
> Ft. Myers, FL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
Larry,
We are all happy for you. I would like to know you location in case my Fed
man isn't as nice as your Fed man. I can trailer this project anywhere.
Corky in La wanting to fly to Brodhead in 03
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| From: | johann <johann(at)caa.is> |
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| From: | "Bert Conoly" <bconoly(at)earthlink.net> |
Congratulations, Larry!
Have you posted any pictures?
Bert
----- Original Message -----
From: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms(at)msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Piet
>
> Yo, listers!
>
> The FAA officially told me that I have an airplane this morning. NX899LW
> exists!!!!
>
> I handed in my paperwork last Monday, got a call on Thursday to set the d> ate
and this morning at 10:00 THE MAN showed up. He looked it all over fo> r about
15 minutes, said it looked wonderful and that he was envious and
> sat down with his stack of stuff. The pile of paperwork took over an hour> to
complete and he was gone. It was that simple. The reason it was that
> simple is because he's done about 400 homebuilts, absolutely KNOWS what h> e's
doing, and doesn't have an ego that gets in the way. Ahh, that all be> aurocrats
were like him.
> Anyway- the projected schedule looks like it's running along pretty well.> Step
one was getting the airplane ready. Step two is to get me ready. Th> at's
moving along, too although not as quickly as I want it to. I know, "> patience",
but my patience is a little thin now that the Piet's sitting t> here ready
to go and looking all seductive......
>
> Brodhead looks like a distinct possibility. But gee, that's what I said l> ast
year!
>
> Later-
> Larry
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walter evans" <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
"Pietenpol-List Digest Server"
Larry,
Great news!!! Glad to hear this. It will be me sometime this year.
Must be quite a shock to sit down on the night of the inspection and realize
that tomorrow you can fly the thing you've been building for years.
Keep us posted!!!
walt
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms(at)msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Piet
>
> Yo, listers!
>
> The FAA officially told me that I have an airplane this morning. NX899LW
> exists!!!!
>
> I handed in my paperwork last Monday, got a call on Thursday to set the d> ate
and this morning at 10:00 THE MAN showed up. He looked it all over fo> r about
15 minutes, said it looked wonderful and that he was envious and
> sat down with his stack of stuff. The pile of paperwork took over an hour> to
complete and he was gone. It was that simple. The reason it was that
> simple is because he's done about 400 homebuilts, absolutely KNOWS what h> e's
doing, and doesn't have an ego that gets in the way. Ahh, that all be> aurocrats
were like him.
> Anyway- the projected schedule looks like it's running along pretty well.> Step
one was getting the airplane ready. Step two is to get me ready. Th> at's
moving along, too although not as quickly as I want it to. I know, "> patience",
but my patience is a little thin now that the Piet's sitting t> here ready
to go and looking all seductive......
>
> Brodhead looks like a distinct possibility. But gee, that's what I said l> ast
year!
>
> Later-
> Larry
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lou Larsen" <pietlars(at)earthlink.net> |
Larry:
Congratulations on your new baby (bird).
How did your hangar move in and all go?
Real happy to hear your news; look forward to seeing you and your Piet at
Brodhead; maybe this year?
Regards,
Lou
----- Original Message -----
From: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms(at)msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Piet
>
> Yo, listers!
>
> The FAA officially told me that I have an airplane this morning. NX899LW
> exists!!!!
>
> I handed in my paperwork last Monday, got a call on Thursday to set the d> ate
and this morning at 10:00 THE MAN showed up. He looked it all over fo> r about
15 minutes, said it looked wonderful and that he was envious and
> sat down with his stack of stuff. The pile of paperwork took over an hour> to
complete and he was gone. It was that simple. The reason it was that
> simple is because he's done about 400 homebuilts, absolutely KNOWS what h> e's
doing, and doesn't have an ego that gets in the way. Ahh, that all be> aurocrats
were like him.
> Anyway- the projected schedule looks like it's running along pretty well.> Step
one was getting the airplane ready. Step two is to get me ready. Th> at's
moving along, too although not as quickly as I want it to. I know, "> patience",
but my patience is a little thin now that the Piet's sitting t> here ready
to go and looking all seductive......
>
> Brodhead looks like a distinct possibility. But gee, that's what I said l> ast
year!
>
> Later-
> Larry
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | javier cruz <javcr(at)yahoo.com> |
CONGRATULATIONS LARRY
GOOD FOR YOU...
THAT'S THE GREAT NEWS ... THIS IS THE BETTER
MOTIVATION FOR ALL OF US STILL WORKING...YOU SHOULD
POST ANY PICTURES ...
JAVIER CRUZ
http://health.yahoo.com
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 4/30/02 4:02:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lnawms(at)msn.com
writes:
> Yo, listers!
>
> The FAA officially told me that I have an airplane this morning. NX899LW
> exists!!!!
Awesome Larry !
Airplane all finished ready to fly ?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
Congratulations Larry. You are now where a lot of us hope to be soon. It
has to be a moment you will remember forever.
And like a good wine, don't fly before your time. Don't rush it. You will
have the rest of your life to enjoy it. Make sure it is a long life.
Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms(at)msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Piet
>
> Yo, listers!
>
> The FAA officially told me that I have an airplane this morning. NX899LW
> exists!!!!
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DJ Vegh" <aircamper(at)imagedv.com> |
| Subject: | landing gear & rudder pedals - progress! |
Well... the past 10 days has shown much progress on my Air Camper. I've
got the sides and floor on, the landing gear assembly welded and mounted,
the control stick almost in and the rear rudder pedals/brakes installed.
I'd have it rolling on wheels but the 5.00 x5 Grove Wheels/Brakes are
apparantly made to order and I won't see them for another 25 days. As
soon as it's rolling I'll work on the turtle deck (why is it called a turtle
deck???) and then instrument panels.
She's really looking like a plane now! Pics can be found on my online log
at www.imagedv.com/aircamper
DJ Vegh
Mesa, AZ
GN-1/Piet hybrid
www.raptoronline.com
N74DV
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jackphillips(at)earthlink.net> |
WAY TO GO LARRY!!
Hopefully in a year or so I'll be in the same position.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
Yo, listers!
The FAA officially told me that I have an airplane this morning. NX899LW
exists!!!!
Brodhead looks like a distinct possibility. But gee, that's what I said last year!
Later-
Larry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Dilatush" <dilatush(at)amigo.net> |
----- Original Message -----
From: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms(at)msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Piet
>
> Yo, listers!
>
> The FAA officially told me that I have an airplane this morning. NX899LW
> exists!!!!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Congratulations Larry!
Tell me, how much of a log did you have to produce for the inspection? The
reason that I ask, is that I have been delinquent in my record keeping for
the last seven years of construction although I have many photos and a LARGE
stack of receipts for bits, parts and pieces. I was hoping that I would not
have to try to reconstruct a log out of all this mess. I should be ready
for my inspection shortly, will look forward to meeting you at Brodhead.
John Dilatush, NX114D
Salida, Colorado
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
=======================================================================
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kent Hallsten <KHallsten(at)governair.com> |
| Subject: | Airport Memories Revisited - short update |
Remember my story a few months back? It looks like there is light at the
end of the runway!! Maybe I will get to fly back to my home field when I
finish my Piet.
Kent Hallsten
http://www.ctnow.com/news/local/fv/hc-burair0429.artapr30.story?coll=hc%2Dhe
adlines%2Dfv
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kent Hallsten <KHallsten(at)governair.com> |
| Subject: | Airport Memories Revisited - short update |
It looks like the link was too long , so make sure you add the extra bit
showing below the link to the end of the link.
Kent
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Hallsten [mailto:KHallsten(at)governair.com]
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airport Memories Revisited - short update
Remember my story a few months back? It looks like there is light at the
end of the runway!! Maybe I will get to fly back to my home field when I
finish my Piet.
Kent Hallsten
http://www.ctnow.com/news/local/fv/hc-burair0429.artapr30.story?coll=hc%2Dhe
adlines%2Dfv
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| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov> |
Way to GO Larry !!! Doesn't that feel good to have the "ok" to fly
and your fresh airworthiness certificate ? Super job. You hung in there.
I have no doubt that you'll have your time flown off for Brodhead. I did not
get signed off til June 21st and I made it. (Ok, I might not have exactly had
my 40 hours flown off, but tough:))
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | raymond smith <badge784k(at)yahoo.com> |
Hey Guys,
Just joined the list! Wantd to say hello to Don and Judge Ted...great time at
Sun-n-Fun guys!
Oh Yeah!,.....hey Bert! Very interesting stuff on the list, I'll try not to do
this kind of posting again!
Mike Hattaway, Valdosta, Georgia
P.S. Ignore the "Raymond Smith" thing on my e address...feeble attempt to remian
undercover! How'd that work out??..................NOT TOO GOOD!
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DonanClara(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: New Kid in Town |
Hey Backatcha Mr. Raymond Smith !!
Whatta handle...The World's got to be overflowing with candy-assed Raymond
Smith wusses...who'd ever suspect he's lurking as an underco.....uh, never
mind !
Just wanted to welcome you on board and tell you that just being with you
guys was an absolute blast.
Looking forward to the very first Annual Gathering of the Mystic Order of
Intergalactic Air Camper Devotees at Thomasville..welcome again and enjoy the
insanity. UMLAUT !! Don
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Boyd" <pietenpol41(at)hotmail.com> |
Congratulations!!! Will we see it at Broadhead??
From: "John Dilatush" <DILATUSH(at)AMIGO.NET>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Piet
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 06:04:59 -0600
-- Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush"
----- Original Message -----
From: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <LNAWMS(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Piet
-- Pietenpol-List message posted by: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS"
Yo, listers!
The FAA officially told me that I have an airplane this morning. NX899LW
exists!!!!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Congratulations Larry!
Tell me, how much of a log did you have to produce for the inspection? The
reason that I ask, is that I have been delinquent in my record keeping for
the last seven years of construction although I have many photos and a LARGE
stack of receipts for bits, parts and pieces. I was hoping that I would not
have to try to reconstruct a log out of all this mess. I should be ready
for my inspection shortly, will look forward to meeting you at Brodhead.
John Dilatush, NX114D
Salida, Colorado
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
=======================================================================
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael Conkling" <hpvs(at)southwind.net> |
Hey Larry!
Good to hear that someone is making up for my lack of progress!! ;-) I'll
be watching for ya at Brodhead!
Save a place for my tent in the tree line at Brodhead!! (and maybe a ride
or two?!!)
Mike C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
----- Original Message -----
From: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms(at)msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Piet
>
> Yo, listers!
>
> The FAA officially told me that I have an airplane this morning. NX899LW
> exists!!!!
>
> I handed in my paperwork last Monday, got a call on Thursday to set the d> ate
and this morning at 10:00 THE MAN showed up. He looked it all over fo> r about
15 minutes, said it looked wonderful and that he was envious and
> sat down with his stack of stuff. The pile of paperwork took over an hour> to
complete and he was gone. It was that simple. The reason it was that
> simple is because he's done about 400 homebuilts, absolutely KNOWS what h> e's
doing, and doesn't have an ego that gets in the way. Ahh, that all be> aurocrats
were like him.
> Anyway- the projected schedule looks like it's running along pretty well.> Step
one was getting the airplane ready. Step two is to get me ready. Th> at's
moving along, too although not as quickly as I want it to. I know, "> patience",
but my patience is a little thin now that the Piet's sitting t> here ready
to go and looking all seductive......
>
> Brodhead looks like a distinct possibility. But gee, that's what I said l> ast
year!
>
> Later-
> Larry
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gene Rambo" <rambog(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | landing gear washers |
It has been about a month now since I mailed out the large-diameter
steel washers to everyone on the site who asked for them. So far, only
one person has sent me any money for them. As I said at the time, the
washers were only a couple of dollars, but the padded envelopes and
postage were another couple of dollars each. I would appreciate it if
the rest of you would respond. I would hate to think that we cannot
swap parts and assistance on this site.
Thanks,
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jeffrey Wilcox" <craigwilcox(at)peoplepc.com> |
Can any of you Pieters tell me the fore and aft limits of CG, expressed as
percent of chord, for the Piet? I ask for percent of chord due to the
relocatable wing on the aircraft, and therefore lack of a fixed reference
point for the LE.
Our EAA chapter (203) has received a Piet as a donation. It is a heavy
bird, with (almost) empty weight of 740 with a Cont. 65. It has flown off
it's 25 hour test period, but the pilot complained about rear CG and lack of
climb. Our chapter secretary had the prop re-pitched to give it better
climb, but I do not know the current pitch.
Appreciate any assistance
Craig
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Dilatush" <dilatush(at)amigo.net> |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Wilcox" <craigwilcox(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: CG limits
>
> Can any of you Pieters tell me the fore and aft limits of CG, expressed as
> percent of chord, for the Piet? I ask for percent of chord due to the
> relocatable wing on the aircraft, and therefore lack of a fixed reference
> point for the LE.
>
> Our EAA chapter (203) has received a Piet as a donation. It is a heavy
> bird, with (almost) empty weight of 740 with a Cont. 65. It has flown off
> it's 25 hour test period, but the pilot complained about rear CG and lack
of
> climb. Our chapter secretary had the prop re-pitched to give it better
> climb, but I do not know the current pitch.
>
> Appreciate any assistance
>
> Craig
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Craig,
I believe that Mr. Pietenpol specified that the CG be no further aft than
20" of the leading edge of the wing. This means that you can swing the
entire wing into a location that meets this requirement. Most Piets seem to
be flying with a CG between 15" and 20".
John Dilatush NX114D
Salida, Colorado
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steven Schaefer <srs1(at)techline.com> |
| Subject: | Elev and rudder hinge fittings |
Does anyone out there know how I can contact Vi Kapler to purchase His
elev/rudder hinge fittings? Thanks.
Steve in Wa
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Elev and rudder hinge fittings |
In a message dated 5/3/02 7:53:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, srs1(at)techline.com
writes:
> Does anyone out there know how I can contact Vi Kapler to purchase His
> elev/rudder hinge fittings? Thanks.
> Steve in Wa
>
>
>
Steve,
Call him at (507) 288-3322
Doug Bryant
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Elev and rudder hinge fittings |
> Does anyone out there know how I can contact Vi
> Kapler to purchase His
> elev/rudder hinge fittings? Thanks.
> Steve in Wa
>
Vi Kapler
1033 forest hills drive sw
rochester mn 55902
507-288-3322
http://health.yahoo.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | My First Flight !! |
YEEE HAAAWWW !!!! Sorry....I just had to get that out...
I shall remember this day for the rest of my life !! This evening, 5/4/02,
at 7:40pm, I took off for my first flight in NX770CG. YEEEE HAAAWWW !! Doug
Bryant did the first three flights, in recent weeks, and we worked a few bugs
out. Doug reported that quite a bit of aft pressure on the stick was required
for level flight. We tweaked the leading edge of the horizontal stab down,
with the flying wires, and he said this progressively helped, but it still
needed a little more. He also said the airspeed and altimeter seemed to be
sluggish in reaction. I'll drill the static holes out to #40 before the next
flight. The engine also wanted to stop running when at idle, on short
final...gotta work on that. The time between opportunities to fly seems to
be long. This evening, brought near perfect weather conditions, and it was
MY turn. Sam had the Stearman out, and Joe was in his J3 Cub. These two
planes are of the pride and joy of Benton Airpark (beside Doug's and my
Pietenpol's). I did a thorough pre-flight, and went out and did some taxi's
up and down the turf runway, at Benton. I got the tail up a few times, and
it all felt good. The sock at the North end lay limp, but the one at the
South end showed a little bit of a left crosswind. As I rounded the North
end and set up on runway heading, I once again asked for the Lord's blessing,
and added full power. With some forward stick, the tail came up within
several seconds, and I still wasn't quite sure if this was going to be my
take-off roll. Pull power, or leave it in...decision time...then the noise
of the ground went away, and the earth began to get further away.
OK...leave it in. Out of ground effect, I glanced the A.S.I. and it
indicated 40 m.p.h. Nose down a little...keep airspeed. Climb at 45 or
50...WE'RE FLYING !!!!!! YEEEE HAAAAAWWWW !! I gotta go by feel...the
airspeed, and altimeter is still sluggish in reaction. The green Kansas
countryside is just simply AWESOME, from an open cockpit airplane !!
Nothing like I've ever experienced. This sky is HUGE !! Look left, look
right, I didn't even notice the radiator in front of me. Glance the
instruments...180 engine temp, 10 p.s.i., ASI 45 m.p.h. ..lookin' good.
400 AGL, bank right ...crosswind...oops... not enough rudder to keep the ball
in the middle...lead turns with rudder. Stay in the pattern. We did about
10 or 12 laps around the race course, at almost pattern altitude. Check
pitch control, roll control, yaw control... get a feel for it. She really
tells me what's going on. Very sensitive on the controls. I like it.
Bernard Harold Pietenpol is a genius in design. He got it right. OK, the
sun is about halfway below the horizon, and it's time to land. The good Lord
kept me safe so far, and now it's time to land. If you weren't there to see
the landing, then it was a perfect landing !! In actuallity, we did 3
landings. I kept the speed up a little, and was probably a little low on
short final, but we landed without any incident. YEEEE HAAAAWWWW !!! I'm
going to make this 40 minute log book entry in RED !! Joe had to leave, but
his wife and a couple of friends, and all the kids are running around down at
his hanger, and I had to give them a YEEE HAAWW and have a couple of beers !!
A day for the history books !! I hope to fly off the hours, and make it to
Broadhead to meet all you guys !! This internet group, and the Broadhead
Pietenpol Association is the ultimate in making a dream come true !! I can't
imagine anyplace that a dream can come true, like AMERICA !!!!!!! Ain't
the internet cool ?
Chuck Gantzer
NX770CG
YEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAWWWW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jackphillips(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | My First Flight !! |
WAY TO GO CHUCK!!
I'll be there in a little over a year.
Jack
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Dilatush" <dilatush(at)amigo.net> |
| Subject: | Re: My First Flight !! |
----- Original Message -----
From: <Rcaprd(at)aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My First Flight !!
>
> YEEE HAAAWWW !!!! Sorry....I just had to get that out...
> I shall remember this day for the rest of my life !! This evening,
5/4/02,
> at 7:40pm, I took off for my first flight in NX770CG. YEEEE HAAAWWW !!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Congratulations Chuck!
I opened my E-mail this morning and read about your first flight and the
description gave me goose bumps! I hope to experience the same thrill now
within the next month. Thanks for sharing with us!
John Dilatush NX114D
Salida, Colorado
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
=======================================================================
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael Conkling" <hpvs(at)southwind.net> |
| Subject: | Re: My First Flight !! |
Congrads, Chuck!
Another great reason for me to get to visit the Benton Airport (again!!)
Mike C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
----- Original Message -----
From: <Rcaprd(at)aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My First Flight !!
>
> YEEE HAAAWWW !!!! Sorry....I just had to get that out...
> I shall remember this day for the rest of my life !! This evening,
5/4/02,
> at 7:40pm, I took off for my first flight in NX770CG. YEEEE HAAAWWW !!
Doug
> Bryant did the first three flights, in recent weeks, and we worked a few
bugs
> out. Doug reported that quite a bit of aft pressure on the stick was
required
> for level flight. We tweaked the leading edge of the horizontal stab
down,
> with the flying wires, and he said this progressively helped, but it still
> needed a little more. He also said the airspeed and altimeter seemed to
be
> sluggish in reaction. I'll drill the static holes out to #40 before the
next
> flight. The engine also wanted to stop running when at idle, on short
> final...gotta work on that. The time between opportunities to fly seems
to
> be long. This evening, brought near perfect weather conditions, and it
was
> MY turn. Sam had the Stearman out, and Joe was in his J3 Cub. These two
> planes are of the pride and joy of Benton Airpark (beside Doug's and my
> Pietenpol's). I did a thorough pre-flight, and went out and did some
taxi's
> up and down the turf runway, at Benton. I got the tail up a few times,
and
> it all felt good. The sock at the North end lay limp, but the one at the
> South end showed a little bit of a left crosswind. As I rounded the
North
> end and set up on runway heading, I once again asked for the Lord's
blessing,
> and added full power. With some forward stick, the tail came up within
> several seconds, and I still wasn't quite sure if this was going to be my
> take-off roll. Pull power, or leave it in...decision time...then the
noise
> of the ground went away, and the earth began to get further away.
> OK...leave it in. Out of ground effect, I glanced the A.S.I. and it
> indicated 40 m.p.h. Nose down a little...keep airspeed. Climb at 45 or
> 50...WE'RE FLYING !!!!!! YEEEE HAAAAAWWWW !! I gotta go by feel...the
> airspeed, and altimeter is still sluggish in reaction. The green Kansas
> countryside is just simply AWESOME, from an open cockpit airplane !!
> Nothing like I've ever experienced. This sky is HUGE !! Look left, look
> right, I didn't even notice the radiator in front of me. Glance the
> instruments...180 engine temp, 10 p.s.i., ASI 45 m.p.h. ..lookin' good.
> 400 AGL, bank right ...crosswind...oops... not enough rudder to keep the
ball
> in the middle...lead turns with rudder. Stay in the pattern. We did
about
> 10 or 12 laps around the race course, at almost pattern altitude. Check
> pitch control, roll control, yaw control... get a feel for it. She
really
> tells me what's going on. Very sensitive on the controls. I like it.
> Bernard Harold Pietenpol is a genius in design. He got it right. OK,
the
> sun is about halfway below the horizon, and it's time to land. The good
Lord
> kept me safe so far, and now it's time to land. If you weren't there to
see
> the landing, then it was a perfect landing !! In actuallity, we did 3
> landings. I kept the speed up a little, and was probably a little low on
> short final, but we landed without any incident. YEEEE HAAAAWWWW !!!
I'm
> going to make this 40 minute log book entry in RED !! Joe had to leave,
but
> his wife and a couple of friends, and all the kids are running around down
at
> his hanger, and I had to give them a YEEE HAAWW and have a couple of beers
!!
> A day for the history books !! I hope to fly off the hours, and make it
to
> Broadhead to meet all you guys !! This internet group, and the Broadhead
> Pietenpol Association is the ultimate in making a dream come true !! I
can't
> imagine anyplace that a dream can come true, like AMERICA !!!!!!!
Ain't
> the internet cool ?
>
> Chuck Gantzer
> NX770CG
> YEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAWWWW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "hallstenokc" <hallstenokc(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: My First Flight !! |
Congratulations Chuck !! I could feel myself up there with you! Have a blast
and fly safely. Now I'm out to the garage to get my Piet closer to it's first
flight.
Kent Hallsten
Oklahoma City
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | flyboy_120(at)webtv.net (Ed G.) |
| Subject: | Re: My First Flight !! |
Awsome Chuck....A major Congratulations to you and Doug and everyone
else involved in your Piet. Looking forward to that day someday
myself Ed Grentzer
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeffery Lorimor <jlorimor(at)willinet.net> |
...He looked it all over for about 15 minutes, said it looked wonderful and that
he was envious and
sat down with his stack of stuff. The pile of paperwork took over an hour to complete
and he was gone.
Congratulations!!! That was my experience when I got my RV-6 inspected
almost 3 years ago. Not all FAA guys are bad guys.
Jeff Lorimor
ribs hanging on the wall
Jeff & Peg Lorimor
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | javier cruz <javcr(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi friends..
I would like to know if there are any Piets near to
ST. LOUIS,MO, i have to go there for a week for
training on Flight Safety begining May 12 i have two
days off so if there are any Piets near to there maybe
i can see it..
Congrats Chuck.. i just speak a bite of english, but
whit your e-mail i can fill your first flight, Good
for you..
Javier Cruz
Waiting for the Prop and Carb for the corvair Engine
http://health.yahoo.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ANNCARLEK(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | NEW "FORD" Model D! |
A BRAND NEW A? After the A, B, and C, now there is an alternative, an
aluminum block version of the old A four banger, brought up to date in many
respects, but still difficult to tell from the old cast iron version. The new
one makes 100 hp at 2800 rpm! And uses inserts for bearings, 4340 Crank, etc.
But it's too pricey for me.
Their Address is:
Donovan Engineering
2305 Border Ave.
Torrance, CA 90501
(213)775-1794 (310)320-3772
Dream On! Carl L
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walter evans" <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
My final colors have turned out to be,,,fuse blue with bugs in it.
And the wings Dianna cream with bugs in it.
Man, every year I forget how many bugs come out in the NJ spring.
Oh, Well, I'm not looking for a prize winner. Just hope it doesn't
cause too much drag!
walt
NX140DL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Saint Louis trip |
Javier,
You HAVE to go to the Creve Couer airport that is just norht and west of
STL. The cheapest place to rent cars with is alamo and they are really
close to the FSI facility. I have seat a lot there too.
There may even be a Monocoupe or Waco fly in when you are there. What are
the exact dates of your visit?
Chris bobka
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of javier
cruz
Subject:
Hi friends..
I would like to know if there are any Piets near to
ST. LOUIS,MO, i have to go there for a week for
training on Flight Safety begining May 12 i have two
days off so if there are any Piets near to there maybe
i can see it..
Congrats Chuck.. i just speak a bite of english, but
whit your e-mail i can fill your first flight, Good
for you..
Javier Cruz
Waiting for the Prop and Carb for the corvair Engine
http://health.yahoo.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "TWINBOOM" <TWINBOOM(at)email.msn.com> |
Well, got rained out last week, but had another opportunity this weekend
to see a Piet. There was another fly-in at Flabob in Riverside
yesterday. It's about ten miles or so from Corona as the Piets fly! I
arrived there about 8:30 where I almost immediately ran into Dick Staley
from the list. I pestered him the rest of the morning, and then went
site seeing. No Piets. Waited until about 11:15 a.m. and still no Piets.
I walked over to Dicks hanger and was saying my goodbyes when we saw a
faint object coming through the clouds. I asked Dick if it was Scott
from Lancaster. He could not tell. It looked like a Piet so we closed up
his hanger and set off torward the runway. When we got there, Scott was
just pulling up to the display area and cutting the engine. I did not
have a chance to get it on video (BUMMER), but was able to get some
stills. Excellent looking Pietenpol!! It is a tube fuse. Looked very
nice with a new Paint job on it.I was snapping pictures of the areas I
have a few questions on. The wheels, axles ect. When I came around the
left side, I noticed a bar of some type on the side down by the bottom.
As looked at it I started busting up. The people around me must have
thought I was a kook. The "bar", was a hinged tube about two feet long.
It had a handle grip on one end, and a big patch of rubber on the other.
It had a sign on it that said " WHOA STICK" . I got the biggest kick out
of that. Anyway, more motivation for the start of the Piet I hope to get
started on as soon as I get out of this house and into another. Should
be listing it tommorrow.
While we were standing there, Dick, Scott and I, an older gent
walked up and kicked the cables that are on the outside that attach to
the elevator. Scott showed a great deal of restraint. I probably would
have ushered that guy off the airport property by slinging him over my
shoulder, but then at 43 yrs. old. I guess I still get a little fired up
at times. It was an awesome day, it was worth the wait, and it was a
pleasure to meet Dick Staley and Scott and his Piet from Lancaster EAA
chapter 49. Thanks for the invite Dick, and thanks Scott for flying your
bird in, what a beauty!!!!
BTW, I signed up for the A & P certificate program at the local JC.
I figure I'll spend the last twenty years of my career doing what I love
to do, working, building, and just being around airplanes. Cover yer
six......................
Doug B.
Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn
ArrowBear Lake Ca.
Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca. http://inlandsloperebels.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Borodent(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: My First Flight !! |
Chuck
Congrats on your accomplishment.
Was your stabilizer origonally parallel to the top longerons, then how much
can you say you ended up pulling the LE of the stabilizer down?
Henry Williams
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Horizontal Stabilizer |
In a message dated 5/5/02 9:43:14 PM Central Daylight Time, Borodent(at)aol.com
writes:
<< Was your stabilizer origonally parallel to the top longerons, then how
much
can you say you ended up pulling the LE of the stabilizer down?
Henry Williams >>
Henry,
Yes, the horizontal stabilizer was parallel to the top longerons, just as it
calls for in the plans. This part is kind of a guessing game. Tweek the
turnbuckles about a half turn at a time, to pull the L.E. of the stab down
and relieve some of the back pressure needed on the stick, and go fly. A
little bit goes a long way in flight. If you stand back, and eyeball it, you
can barely notice it. I'm going to adjust it down again, before the next
flight.
I'm ready to Kick the tires, twang the wires, and light the fires !!!
Chuck Gantzer
NX770CG
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
| Subject: | My First Flight !! |
Just got this. Congrats Chuck. Okay, now I just have to keep saying,
patience, patience.
-Gary
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Rcaprd(at)aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 2:55 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: My First Flight !!
>
>
> YEEE HAAAWWW !!!! Sorry....I just had to get that out...
> I shall remember this day for the rest of my life !! This
> evening, 5/4/02,
> at 7:40pm, I took off for my first flight in NX770CG. YEEEE
> HAAAWWW !! Doug
> Bryant did the first three flights, in recent weeks, and we
> worked a few bugs
> out. Doug reported that quite a bit of aft pressure on the stick
> was required
> for level flight. We tweaked the leading edge of the horizontal
> stab down,
> with the flying wires, and he said this progressively helped, but
> it still
> needed a little more. He also said the airspeed and altimeter
> seemed to be
> sluggish in reaction. I'll drill the static holes out to #40
> before the next
> flight. The engine also wanted to stop running when at idle, on short
> final...gotta work on that. The time between opportunities to
> fly seems to
> be long. This evening, brought near perfect weather conditions,
> and it was
> MY turn. Sam had the Stearman out, and Joe was in his J3 Cub. These two
> planes are of the pride and joy of Benton Airpark (beside Doug's and my
> Pietenpol's). I did a thorough pre-flight, and went out and did
> some taxi's
> up and down the turf runway, at Benton. I got the tail up a few
> times, and
> it all felt good. The sock at the North end lay limp, but the one at the
> South end showed a little bit of a left crosswind. As I rounded
> the North
> end and set up on runway heading, I once again asked for the
> Lord's blessing,
> and added full power. With some forward stick, the tail came up within
> several seconds, and I still wasn't quite sure if this was going to be my
> take-off roll. Pull power, or leave it in...decision time...then
> the noise
> of the ground went away, and the earth began to get further away.
> OK...leave it in. Out of ground effect, I glanced the A.S.I. and it
> indicated 40 m.p.h. Nose down a little...keep airspeed. Climb at 45 or
> 50...WE'RE FLYING !!!!!! YEEEE HAAAAAWWWW !! I gotta go by
> feel...the
> airspeed, and altimeter is still sluggish in reaction. The green Kansas
> countryside is just simply AWESOME, from an open cockpit airplane !!
> Nothing like I've ever experienced. This sky is HUGE !! Look
> left, look
> right, I didn't even notice the radiator in front of me. Glance the
> instruments...180 engine temp, 10 p.s.i., ASI 45 m.p.h. ..lookin' good.
> 400 AGL, bank right ...crosswind...oops... not enough rudder to
> keep the ball
> in the middle...lead turns with rudder. Stay in the pattern.
> We did about
> 10 or 12 laps around the race course, at almost pattern altitude. Check
> pitch control, roll control, yaw control... get a feel for it.
> She really
> tells me what's going on. Very sensitive on the controls. I like it.
> Bernard Harold Pietenpol is a genius in design. He got it right.
> OK, the
> sun is about halfway below the horizon, and it's time to land.
> The good Lord
> kept me safe so far, and now it's time to land. If you weren't
> there to see
> the landing, then it was a perfect landing !! In actuallity, we did 3
> landings. I kept the speed up a little, and was probably a little low on
> short final, but we landed without any incident. YEEEE HAAAAWWWW
> !!! I'm
> going to make this 40 minute log book entry in RED !! Joe had to
> leave, but
> his wife and a couple of friends, and all the kids are running
> around down at
> his hanger, and I had to give them a YEEE HAAWW and have a couple
> of beers !!
> A day for the history books !! I hope to fly off the hours,
> and make it to
> Broadhead to meet all you guys !! This internet group, and the Broadhead
> Pietenpol Association is the ultimate in making a dream come true
> !! I can't
> imagine anyplace that a dream can come true, like AMERICA !!!!!!!
> Ain't
> the internet cool ?
>
> Chuck Gantzer
> NX770CG
> YEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAWWWW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tommy & Carolyn" <TommyandCarolyn(at)centurytel.net> |
Alexandria, Louisiana
----- Original Message -----
From: "javier cruz" <javcr(at)yahoo.com>
>
>
> Hi friends..
>
> I would like to know if there are any Piets near to
> ST. LOUIS,MO, i have to go there for a week for
> training on Flight Safety begining May 12 i have two
> days off so if there are any Piets near to there maybe
> i can see it..
>
> Congrats Chuck.. i just speak a bite of english, but
> whit your e-mail i can fill your first flight, Good
> for you..
>
> Javier Cruz
>
> Waiting for the Prop and Carb for the corvair Engine
>
>
> http://health.yahoo.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: My First Flight !! |
Chuck----Wonderful news to hear about ! What a great day for you, your
family, and Doug B. Another Piet comes to life !!!! Soon we will have
other
new Piets in the air like John D. and Larry W. too ! Super.
(PS----I ask the good Lord for safety just prior to propping the Piet every
time
I go out to fly. He has been Good !)
Need all the help I can get:)))
Way to GO !
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Borodent(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: accident cause |
Speaking of safety
Has anyone heard the official findings of the Piet disaster a month or so
ago, where 2 died?
Henry Williams
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Patcoolnet(at)aol.com |
Hi everyone,
A month or so back my Dad had me put a query about landing gear springs on
line. He gave me this e mail to send this morning:
Thanks to all who were kind enough to send info on the tail wheel coil
springs.
I am using the John Deere #T143444 as recommended by Jonh in Peoria. Cost
was about $12.00 at the local JD Dealer. It looks good. First flight
(sometime) will be the judge.
Bud
My notes: Dad has the wooden parts basically done and is working on cables
and bolts as we speak. He told my brother yesterday that if he had the tire
mounted on the tail wheel he could have put the "Swine Bird" on rubber. In
the next breath he said he would have had to take it off again. I don't
really understand it all, but he is slowly progressing. He hopes to have it
in the air in a couple of years...lol.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DJ Vegh" <aircamper(at)imagedv.com> |
| Subject: | Re: accident cause |
I have not heard any official news, but it sounded alot like a stall/spin
scenario. Reports were he was flying low and turning around a farm. May
have pulled a bit too hard.... Who knows.
It'll be on the NTSB site within a few months
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: <Borodent(at)aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: accident cause
>
> Speaking of safety
> Has anyone heard the official findings of the Piet disaster a month or so
> ago, where 2 died?
> Henry Williams
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: NEW "FORD" Model D! |
Carl,
Just how "pricey" is this engine?
It sure sounds interesting for those who wish to have the "Ford"
type powerplant on their Pietenpol, and it would be a pity if it is
unaffordable for most Pietenpol enthusiasts.
Graham
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Loar" <skycarl(at)megsinet.net> |
| Subject: | My First Flight !! |
Chuck, Congrats on your ship. You lucky dog, ya got everyone green with
envy. I'm getting close. Man, I can taste that first flight already.
Carl L
Please visit my website at
www.megsinet.net/skycarl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My First Flight !!
YEEE HAAAWWW !!!! Sorry....I just had to get that out...
I shall remember this day for the rest of my life !! This evening, 5/4/02,
at 7:40pm, I took off for my first flight in NX770CG. YEEEE HAAAWWW !!
Doug
Bryant did the first three flights, in recent weeks, and we worked a few
bugs
out. Doug reported that quite a bit of aft pressure on the stick was
required
for level flight. We tweaked the leading edge of the horizontal stab down,
with the flying wires, and he said this progressively helped, but it still
needed a little more. He also said the airspeed and altimeter seemed to be
sluggish in reaction. I'll drill the static holes out to #40 before the
next
flight. The engine also wanted to stop running when at idle, on short
final...gotta work on that. The time between opportunities to fly seems
to
be long. This evening, brought near perfect weather conditions, and it was
MY turn. Sam had the Stearman out, and Joe was in his J3 Cub. These two
planes are of the pride and joy of Benton Airpark (beside Doug's and my
Pietenpol's). I did a thorough pre-flight, and went out and did some
taxi's
up and down the turf runway, at Benton. I got the tail up a few times, and
it all felt good. The sock at the North end lay limp, but the one at the
South end showed a little bit of a left crosswind. As I rounded the North
end and set up on runway heading, I once again asked for the Lord's
blessing,
and added full power. With some forward stick, the tail came up within
several seconds, and I still wasn't quite sure if this was going to be my
take-off roll. Pull power, or leave it in...decision time...then the noise
of the ground went away, and the earth began to get further away.
OK...leave it in. Out of ground effect, I glanced the A.S.I. and it
indicated 40 m.p.h. Nose down a little...keep airspeed. Climb at 45 or
50...WE'RE FLYING !!!!!! YEEEE HAAAAAWWWW !! I gotta go by feel...the
airspeed, and altimeter is still sluggish in reaction. The green Kansas
countryside is just simply AWESOME, from an open cockpit airplane !!
Nothing like I've ever experienced. This sky is HUGE !! Look left, look
right, I didn't even notice the radiator in front of me. Glance the
instruments...180 engine temp, 10 p.s.i., ASI 45 m.p.h. ..lookin' good.
400 AGL, bank right ...crosswind...oops... not enough rudder to keep the
ball
in the middle...lead turns with rudder. Stay in the pattern. We did about
10 or 12 laps around the race course, at almost pattern altitude. Check
pitch control, roll control, yaw control... get a feel for it. She really
tells me what's going on. Very sensitive on the controls. I like it.
Bernard Harold Pietenpol is a genius in design. He got it right. OK, the
sun is about halfway below the horizon, and it's time to land. The good
Lord
kept me safe so far, and now it's time to land. If you weren't there to see
the landing, then it was a perfect landing !! In actuallity, we did 3
landings. I kept the speed up a little, and was probably a little low on
short final, but we landed without any incident. YEEEE HAAAAWWWW !!! I'm
going to make this 40 minute log book entry in RED !! Joe had to leave, but
his wife and a couple of friends, and all the kids are running around down
at
his hanger, and I had to give them a YEEE HAAWW and have a couple of beers
!!
A day for the history books !! I hope to fly off the hours, and make it
to
Broadhead to meet all you guys !! This internet group, and the Broadhead
Pietenpol Association is the ultimate in making a dream come true !! I
can't
imagine anyplace that a dream can come true, like AMERICA !!!!!!! Ain't
the internet cool ?
Chuck Gantzer
NX770CG
YEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAWWWW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | NPRM comments part I |
comments to docket no. FAA-2001-11133
Dear Sir:
I am a supporter of the Light-Sport Aircraft NPRM. However, I feel changes
are necessary to make the proposed rule viable. The discussion on page 5373
column 2 of the NPRM addresses the fact that the recreational pilot
certificate and the primary aircraft category failed to address the needs of
sport and recreational aviation "for various reasons". I wish the "various
reasons" had been addressed in more detail as they would indicate what this
Light-Sport Aircraft NPRM (referred to as "the NPRM" from this point on)
would need to contain in order for the proposed rule to be successful. I
contend that, simply put, a sport or recreational pilot should be able to
get in, on, under, or over his aircraft, just as he does his small boat or
his sports car and go for a spin: take your friend, minimal rules,
reasonable performance of the vehicles, lots of common sense and courtesy,
low cost, go get a hamburger, with minimum paperwork. Freedom.
The NPRM strongly addresses the Ultralight type of aircraft while greatly
overlooking the more common type of certified aircraft that many sport
pilots would like to fly. I have reviewed the list of currently
certificated aircraft that would qualify for a sport pilot to operate and I
find the list is rather sparse. Many of the most obvious aircraft, those
that have trained generations of pilots or are merely updates of earlier
versions of lower horsepower aircraft from an era two generations ago when
the typical pilot weighed a scant 140 lbs and radios and an arm saving
electric engine starter where more the exception than the rule, are missing
from the list. Most are missing because they are too heavy under the
proposed rule. An example is the Aeronca Champ. The Champ Model 7AC would
qualify for flight by a sport pilot. But if you take two typical 200 pound
18 year old cornfed midwestern males and put them in this aircraft, it would
be too heavy to fly. However, put them in the virtually identical but
higher horsepower, arm saving electric engine starter equipped and slightly
faster Champ Model 7EC and they can go out and have a good time, with much
greater safety. Unfortunately, the Champ Model 7EC is too heavy under the
proposed rule and would not be able to be flown by a sport pilot. This
forces either disinterest in the sport pilot certificate, dooming it to
failure, or operation of an aircraft outside of its envelope and ultimately
resulting in a dangerous situation. Page 5373, column 2 of the NPRM,
recognizes that this safety related weight growth issue exists for part 103
aircraft and is a main reason for this NPRM. Why can't the FAA recognize
that this issue relates to larger aircraft with standard certification as
well? Additional aircraft that I am shocked to see that do not qualify are
the Cessna 140, 150, and 152, the Ercoupe, the later Luscombes, and most
seaplanes. In additon, some aircraft that were certified for 3 occupants of
the size of people that existed 60 years ago, such as the Piper J5, are no
longer realistically 3 occupant aircraft. They should be allowed if
occuppied only by two people. Simply put, for the proposed rule to succeed,
I recommend the definition in Section 1.1 of the FARs of a light-sport
aircraft should be extended to but limited to a maximum weight of 1625
pounds on wheeled landing gear with an allowance for the weight of seaplane
gear (more on this below). This is more realistic.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | NPRM comments part II |
The majority of the time, the NPRM takes the point of view that the sport
pilot has no or minimal experience as he is newly attracted to sport or
recreational flying. The NPRM barely mentions that, realistically, the
majority of future sport pilots are those that have already entered and then
LEFT aviation because of the weight of bureaucratic hassles and costs. An
example is a close friend of mine who had open heart surgery years ago and
who now works safely driving an 80 passenger school bus, yet is ineligible
to fly an airplane by himself because of the costs in time and money of the
burden of proof necessary to get a medical certificate under the current
rules. I know he would be the first to get a new sport pilot certificate.
But the rules are rather draconian, if not insulting, considering his
inactive commercial multiengine instrument CFI credentials. I am currently
an 8000 hour ATP rated airline pilot who someday aspires to the simpler life
of flying in retirement under sport pilot rules. Yet, it appears that the
hassles of finding an instructor with 150 hours of experience and 5 hours in
a Luscombe 8B so he can show me how to fly a Luscombe 8B, which I have not
flown yet, even though I have flown 1000 hours in the virtually identical
Luscombe 8A, is just not worth it. The new rule simply ignores prior
experience. Flying is all about learning to demonstrate good judgement.
For every checkride I have ever taken or given, demonstrating good judgement
is the primary criterion for passing or failing. If a highly qualified pilot
feels he needs training, he will seek it. That is common sense and you
cannot legislate common sense. The need for many endorsements for make and
model for a highly qualified pilot wishing to downgrade his certificates is
just too cumbersome and will cause the new rule to ultimately fail. I
recommend that if a sport pilot has 500 hours or more total time, and 200
hours or more in category and class, then the endorsement for make and model
be waived.
In connection with the comments in the preceding paragraph regarding the
deficiency in the NPRM regarding favorable rules recognizing the desire of
experienced pilots or pilots of higher ratings to "demote" themselves to
sport pilots, the NPRM is unclear in what is required of an existing
Certified Flight Instructor (CFI) to instruct sport pilots or sport pilot
candidates in sport aircraft. My situation, the same as many others, is
that I am a longtime CFI, having continuously held the rating for thirteen
years. Due to my experience, I am an asset to the world of flying and would
like to keep it that way. There may come a time that I may wish to let my
FAA medical lapse and revert to the drivers license requirement for proof of
health. I could then fly sport aircraft with my ATP ticket in my pocket as
a sport pilot. Yet can I still instruct in sport aircraft using my CFI
certificate which I would continue to keep current? The back of my CFI
certificate says "valid only when accompanied by [ATP] pilot certificate no.
XXXXX. Expires 30 sep 2003". If I no longer have an FAA medical, my ATP
privileges lapse, and so do the CFI privileges? If this were true of every
aging instructor, it would be a tremendous waste of talent for the flying
world to bare. It is of tremendous importance for aviation to retain as
much experience as it can, especially in the ranks of the instructors. I am
looking for clarification in the new rule on this question. I recommend
that the new rule allow for a CFI under the current FARs who chooses to let
his FAA medical certificate lapse, to continue to enjoy his CFI privileges
as exist in the current FARs but limited to aircraft that qualify as sport
aircraft under the new rule without having to obtain a CFI - Sport Pilot
rating. Furthermore, the CFI can continue to renew his CFI using the
methods described in the current FARs.
I would also like to know how an instructor would train someone to fly a
particular make and model of a SINGLE SEAT sport pilot aircraft? This has
never occurred before in the FARs, maybe with the exception of the limited
quantities of Letters of Authorizations for warbird aircraft. Recognizing
the need for a few endorsements related to engine horsepower or aircraft
complexity, usually, you qualify in a category and class and then you are
good for any of the other aircraft in the same category and class. I
recommend the abandonment of the training requirement for specific make and
model.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | NPRM comments part III |
Just about the most fun one can have flying is in a seaplane. Seaplane
float gear weighes a lot when compared to the typical wheeled landing gear.
Fortunately, the floats tend to "fly" their own weight due to their
aerodynamic qualities. This has consistently been shown over and over by
the FAA when it certifies aircraft for use on floats by always allowing a
higher gross weight for the float version of an aircraft even though the
basic structure is unmodified. Unfortunately, the NPRM ignores this. In
fact, of all the aircraft certified for floats, it only allows the Piper J3C
and the early and rare Taylorcraft A model to be flown by a sport pilot.
One of the best certified aircraft for a sport pilot to fly is an Aeronca
50-C Chief, one of which I own. The aircraft is certified on wheels with a
gross wieght of 1150 pounds. On floats, the aircraft, now designated an
Aeronca S-50-C Chief, is certified with a gross weight of 1252 pounds. Too
heavy under the proposed rule, yet THE most basic of seaplanes, with only a
50 horsepower engine (as compared to the J3C's 65 horsepower engine). There
is no reason for the seaplane version of this aircraft to be ineligible for
a sport pilot to fly. It is the very essence of the proposed rule, but yet
the rule denies its use by a sport pilot. I recommend that the wheel
equipped gross weight of an aircraft be the criterion for the judging
whether an aircraft qualifies for use by a sport pilot. If the aircraft has
the wheels removed and floats installed, then the aircraft still qualifies
for a sport pilot to operate, even thought it may weigh more.
The NPRM discusses the requirement that either a valid driver's license or a
current FAA medical be required to have sport pilot priveleges (excepting
gliders and balloons). Your own evidence on page 5384, columns 2 and 3 in
the NPRM states that .13% of glider and lighter-than-air accidents and .21%
of all other General Aviation accidents involved medical causal factors.
You are taking the GA data and making a bold presumption that the worse .21%
rate will apply to all sport and recreational flying. I dispute this. I
see no reason why self-certification cannot be an option for all sport pilot
operations, even if on a wait and see basis to observe if the sport pilot
data parallels the up until now pure recreational flying: the
lighter-than-air and glider operations which currently enjoy
self-certification with the low .13% rate. If data collected on future
sport and recreational flying operations turns out to show that a more
rigorous medical certification is necessary, then so be it. I recommend
that medical self-certification for all sport pilot operations be allowed
under the new rule.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | NPRM comments part IV |
Notwithstanding the arguments in the previous paragraph regarding medical
self-certification, I find that the requirement that one have a drivers
license or a third class medical certificate is discriminatory against a
certain age group, our youth. The FAA has already agreed in the NPRM that
it is possible that someone who would not otherwise be able to obtain a
third class medical certificate could still safely fly as a sport pilot by
meeting the medical requirements of the various state drivers license laws.
But not all people have the need, desire, or money to have a drivers license
and this applies to a large group of prospective sport pilots, our youth,
who are more interested in education than driving. Follow me through on
this story: I believe that every state requires auto liabilty insurance for
drivers. I have three vehicles, one which is used for business. I drive
two and my wife drives the other. I get an insurance discount because we
have more vehicles than drivers. I also have two sons. I have decided that
it is not a good idea to have my sons obtain their drivers licenses any time
sooner than they are 18 years old although I do think it is a very worthy
educational goal that they earn their sport pilot certificates in addtion to
earning their Eagle Scout rank. The state law allows insurance companies to
assume that a new third driver in my household would be the full time driver
of my third vehicle, which is erroneous but nevertheless allowable under the
law. This additional insurance costs thousands of dollars. I would prefer
the money be used to have my sons become sport pilots than to pay the
addtional insurance costs. I cannot afford to pay both the insurance and
the costs to fly. What is needed is some common ground to meet the needs of
the FAA in regard to the "have you ever fainted" type of battery of
questions as well as the vision test. One suggestion is to require that one
have APPLIED for a STUDENT DRIVERS PERMIT within the past five years with
no requirement to keep the permitit current. The permit application
requires the medical questions be answered satisfactorily and includes a
vision test, and the permit has a minimal cost, does not incur any
additional insurance costs to the sport pilot, and otherwise meets the FAA's
requirments as stated on page 5384 column 1 of the NPRM. Another
alternative is to have a sport pilot's school nurse or personal physician
administer a test in no more depth than the state drivers license
requirements. The added benefit here is that these medical professionals
would be more involved in the long term health of the pilot and would be in
a very qualified positon to jusge ones health than merely taking a drivers
test. This test would be done every five years, similar to the renewal
period for a state drivers license. I realize that one has the option of
getting a third class medical but that is overkill both in what needs to be
proven to the medical examiner and in cost ($100 dollars of more now).
Besides, one may not qualify for the third class yet still be physically
able to drive and thus would be discriminated against if he or she should so
choose not to have a drivers license.
I hope you find these comments constructive and I look forward to the new
rule!
Sincerely,
Christian Bobka
Airline Transport Pilot
Certified Flight Instructor
Advanced Ground Instructor
Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Flight Engineer
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | NPRM comments part I |
Gene,
did you just sit back and do nothing?
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Christian
Bobka
Subject: Pietenpol-List: NPRM comments part I
comments to docket no. FAA-2001-11133
Dear Sir:
I am a supporter of the Light-Sport Aircraft NPRM. However, I feel changes
are necessary to make the proposed rule viable. The discussion on page 5373
column 2 of the NPRM addresses the fact that the recreational pilot
certificate and the primary aircraft category failed to address the needs of
sport and recreational aviation "for various reasons". I wish the "various
reasons" had been addressed in more detail as they would indicate what this
Light-Sport Aircraft NPRM (referred to as "the NPRM" from this point on)
would need to contain in order for the proposed rule to be successful. I
contend that, simply put, a sport or recreational pilot should be able to
get in, on, under, or over his aircraft, just as he does his small boat or
his sports car and go for a spin: take your friend, minimal rules,
reasonable performance of the vehicles, lots of common sense and courtesy,
low cost, go get a hamburger, with minimum paperwork. Freedom.
The NPRM strongly addresses the Ultralight type of aircraft while greatly
overlooking the more common type of certified aircraft that many sport
pilots would like to fly. I have reviewed the list of currently
certificated aircraft that would qualify for a sport pilot to operate and I
find the list is rather sparse. Many of the most obvious aircraft, those
that have trained generations of pilots or are merely updates of earlier
versions of lower horsepower aircraft from an era two generations ago when
the typical pilot weighed a scant 140 lbs and radios and an arm saving
electric engine starter where more the exception than the rule, are missing
from the list. Most are missing because they are too heavy under the
proposed rule. An example is the Aeronca Champ. The Champ Model 7AC would
qualify for flight by a sport pilot. But if you take two typical 200 pound
18 year old cornfed midwestern males and put them in this aircraft, it would
be too heavy to fly. However, put them in the virtually identical but
higher horsepower, arm saving electric engine starter equipped and slightly
faster Champ Model 7EC and they can go out and have a good time, with much
greater safety. Unfortunately, the Champ Model 7EC is too heavy under the
proposed rule and would not be able to be flown by a sport pilot. This
forces either disinterest in the sport pilot certificate, dooming it to
failure, or operation of an aircraft outside of its envelope and ultimately
resulting in a dangerous situation. Page 5373, column 2 of the NPRM,
recognizes that this safety related weight growth issue exists for part 103
aircraft and is a main reason for this NPRM. Why can't the FAA recognize
that this issue relates to larger aircraft with standard certification as
well? Additional aircraft that I am shocked to see that do not qualify are
the Cessna 140, 150, and 152, the Ercoupe, the later Luscombes, and most
seaplanes. In additon, some aircraft that were certified for 3 occupants of
the size of people that existed 60 years ago, such as the Piper J5, are no
longer realistically 3 occupant aircraft. They should be allowed if
occuppied only by two people. Simply put, for the proposed rule to succeed,
I recommend the definition in Section 1.1 of the FARs of a light-sport
aircraft should be extended to but limited to a maximum weight of 1625
pounds on wheeled landing gear with an allowance for the weight of seaplane
gear (more on this below). This is more realistic.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jackphillips(at)earthlink.net> |
Hi Gene,
Sorry, I haven't forgotten you. Been very busy settling into a new job.
I'll get you a check in the mail this week. Thanks for the washers.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wheel retainers
not much, a couple of dollars mostly to cover the postage. It'll be this
weekend before I get to it, though.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips <jackphillips(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wheel retainers
>
> Hi Gene,
>
> I'll take four. What's the price?
>
> Jack
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Rambo
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 6:17 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: wheel retainers
>
>
> I just received a box of washers I bought specifically for making the
> wheel retainers for the straight axle gear. They are 1 1/2 I.D. by 2
> 1/4 O.D. by .080 thick (the next size available was .135, which I
> thought was too thick)
>
> Any of you guys want some? I had to buy a whole box just to get the
> four I need.
>
> Gene
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doc Mosher <docshop(at)tds.net> |
Walt -
I din not realize those were simply a few bugs in your paint.
I just assumed they were vortex generators.
Doc Mosher
Oshkosh USA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: my final colors |
>
>Kip,
>Every once in a while I have to have a reality check with myself. I look at
>the pics of Mike Cuy's Piet, or a freind of mine's Fisher Celebrity, and
>they seem to be works of art.
Walt, Kip, Group......I was very, very fortunate to have two guys in their
70's who
have been painting with dope since probably 1937 and they both helped me do
the spraying and finishing so I cannot take credit for the final
finish. I DID however do every
bit of fabric work, rib stitching, finishing tapes, metal work, etching,
priming, etc.....but
the real credit goes to those guys.
My plane has it's nicks, scrapes, and flaws in it now and that is
ok. I can touch things
up if I want....for me the main thing is NOT winning anything, but being
happy with the plane
and sharing it with others. As long as our planes our safe, our flying
skills up to snuff, and
we are not embarrassed to show shoddy workmanship (hello Fisherman) then
I think we've
done good. I've seen pics of your plane Walt and it's just great ! Of
course when we have
our eyes 8" away from our work piece we can be very critical....I had some
of those thoughts
all along....but now when I look at stuff that bothered me before I have
to LOOK for it to find it !
You're doing fine......and the simple fact that you are plugging away and
going to finish is quite
and accomplishment since something like 85% of the homebuilt projects that
ever get started
are NEVER finished by the original builder........and if ever:)
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Norm Decou <normdecou(at)sympatico.ca> |
Hi,
We are getting ready to order our wing rib material. We will be
using a capstrip bending jig (Tony Bingelis EAA wood book), a capped
ABS pipe for steaming or bending the capstrip, and an Ord-Hume style
wing rib jig (EAA wood book).
For materials we have T-88 epoxy 1 quart kit, we will be ordering
spruce capstrips 3 pcs for each rib. One 6 ft pc (top capstrip and
diagonals), one 5 ft pc (bottom capstrip), and one 5 ft pc ( diagonals
and cross members). 5 square feet of mahogany poplar plywood for
gussets (we will probably order 8 ft, we believe that 1x4 and 2x2 pieces
are the smallest sizes available). We will be ordering our materials
from Wicks. We are using these materials because they are meet mil spec
and they will give us reasonably light ribs. Also they will be similar
to the joints that we will be using in other part of the aircraft (T-88
glue holding spruce stucture to mahagony gussets).
We are planning on stapling the gussets to the capstrips and then
removing the staples after the glue has set.
If anyone could let us know if we are on the right track or if we
are missing the boat we would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks again
Norm and Adrienne Decou
normdecou(at)sympatico.ca (new email address)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kent Hallsten <KHallsten(at)governair.com> |
Hi Norm,
Get ready for some fun! It sounds good to me, but do you really
mean 5 sq. ft. of plywood? I bought a 2 x 4 sheet (8sf) of mahogany ply
and I will be a bit short on gussets, but not by too much. I have to order
another sheet. Your capstrip is probably close, but then I cut my own from
boards and haven't really kept track. There's a list that calls out 500 ft,
check this site.
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/PeoplesFiles/Piet_wood_List.xls This
is a wood list from someone here on this list.
I'm using staples too. I have a light duty stapler with light duty narrow
crown 5/16" staples. I got mine at ACE, about 8 bucks. The staples are
round (versus flat chisel point) and it works great. I used an office
stapler at first but it didn't seem to have enough 'oomph' to get thru the
plywood. It's quick and easy, takes about 10-15 minutes to remove staples
from both sides of the rib when the T-88 dries.
And that's about all I know about Pietenpol buildin'...
Kent Hallsten
Oklahoma City
Making ribs like a madman
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard(at)titan.com> |
Sounds pretty close to the way I did it. I'll expand on Kent's comments
about gusset material--I got a single 2x4 sheet and ran out. I wound up
using a lot of 1/16 inch plywood for gussets on the 1/2 x 1/2 root and tip
braces, and to make bearing plates where bolts would otherwise be in direct
contact with spruce members. You'll also eventually need a whole 4x8 sheet
for the leading edge sheath unless you're using cardboard. Shipping costs
are less of a problem if you get all of the really big stuff at the same
time.
Have fun!
Gene Hubbard
San Diego with a new motor mount!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walter evans" <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Good Idea! "yeah, yeah, thats the ticket"
walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doc Mosher" <docshop(at)tds.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List:
>
> Walt -
>
> I din not realize those were simply a few bugs in your paint.
>
> I just assumed they were vortex generators.
>
> Doc Mosher
> Oshkosh USA
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
Hello Norm. Great news!
This is exactly how I am doing it, except I am using little aircraft nails (I like
the way they look, sort of old-timey). One nail per strip/strut/brace. Waiting
on capstrip from AS&S, should be here soon. I also ordered the Finnish Birch
Plywood, 4x4 sheet for about $25. Came rolled up in a box.
Whew, exciting times. Planes everywhere nearing completion and more just starting
or well underway.
I have been very busy at work and not had time to work on the plane, but things
are slower, so time to get to it.
-Gary
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Norm Decou <normdecou(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 13:02:16 -0400
>
>Hi,
> We are getting ready to order our wing rib material. We will be
>using a capstrip bending jig (Tony Bingelis EAA wood book), a capped
>ABS pipe for steaming or bending the capstrip, and an Ord-Hume style
>wing rib jig (EAA wood book).
> For materials we have T-88 epoxy 1 quart kit, we will be ordering
>spruce capstrips 3 pcs for each rib. One 6 ft pc (top capstrip and
>diagonals), one 5 ft pc (bottom capstrip), and one 5 ft pc ( diagonals
>and cross members). 5 square feet of mahogany poplar plywood for
>gussets (we will probably order 8 ft, we believe that 1x4 and 2x2 pieces
>are the smallest sizes available). We will be ordering our materials
>from Wicks. We are using these materials because they are meet mil spec
>and they will give us reasonably light ribs. Also they will be similar
>to the joints that we will be using in other part of the aircraft (T-88
>glue holding spruce stucture to mahagony gussets).
> We are planning on stapling the gussets to the capstrips and then
>removing the staples after the glue has set.
> If anyone could let us know if we are on the right track or if we
>are missing the boat we would greatly appreciate it.
> Thanks again
> Norm and Adrienne Decou
> normdecou(at)sympatico.ca (new email address)
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
>
>Sounds pretty close to the way I did it. I'll expand on Kent's comments
>about gusset material--I got a single 2x4 sheet and ran out. I wound up
>using a lot of 1/16 inch plywood for gussets on the 1/2 x 1/2 root and tip
>braces, and to make bearing plates where bolts would otherwise be in direct
>contact with spruce members. You'll also eventually need a whole 4x8 sheet
>for the leading edge sheath unless you're using cardboard. Shipping costs
>are less of a problem if you get all of the really big stuff at the same
>time.
>
>Have fun!
>
>Gene Hubbard
>San Diego with a new motor mount!
Hi Guys,
I got 3 2x4' sheets when I bought my project. I cut each one into two 9"x4'
pieces for leading edge, and one 6" wide piece for gussets. I figure I'm
going to come up short both ways. I'll need another 9" x 4' piece for LE,
and I figure at least another 6" x 4' piece for gussets, maybe twice that.
If I were doing it from scratch, I'd go for the 4x8' piece - fewer joints
in the LE that way, and still enough for the gussets, I think.
Kip Gardner (cutting gusssets in OH; 224 down, 796 to go!)
426 Schneider St. SE
North Canton, OH 44720
(330) 494-1775
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Allen" <GeorgeA(at)PAonline.com> |
Way to go Norm. I ordered 500 feet of capstrip from AS&S and it's just the
right amount (a little extra for mistakes). Worked out perfect. I tried the
steaming part and didn't like it. I just put about the first 2 feet of the
top capstrip in a tube with just plain ol' water for 24 hours and then
formed them on the forming jig till the next day. They were dry the next
day. I formed 4 at a time and only made them every 3 or 4 days. Worked out
great and you can't get burned. Much safer. They bend just as easily and you
don't have to rush it.
It took me about an hour each evening to make one rib. I pre-cut all the
diagonals and the gussets when I started the first rib and then glued the
first side of the rib and let it set till the next day. I then took it from
the jig and with the same batch of epoxy I glue the next rib's first side
and glued the gussets on the last rib's side #2. Once set up, it was 1 rib
in 1 hour per day.
I was done in a month.
Good luck, it's very satisfying.
George Allen
Harrisburg, PA
GeorgeA(at)PAonline.com
(Peitenpol builder) Ribs, horiz. stab & elevators done.
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing ribs
>
> Hi,
> We are getting ready to order our wing rib material. We will be
> using a capstrip bending jig (Tony Bingelis EAA wood book), a capped
> ABS pipe for steaming or bending the capstrip, and an Ord-Hume style
> wing rib jig (EAA wood book).
> If anyone could let us know if we are on the right track or if we
> are missing the boat we would greatly appreciate it.
> Thanks again
> Norm and Adrienne Decou
> normdecou(at)sympatico.ca (new email address)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jackphillips(at)earthlink.net> |
Go for it, Norm! Sounds like you're on the right track. I did much the
same thing, although I used nails instead of staples (I found the staples
split the plywood too often - probably just my poor technique).
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Norm Decou
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing ribs
Hi,
We are getting ready to order our wing rib material. We will be
using a capstrip bending jig (Tony Bingelis EAA wood book), a capped
ABS pipe for steaming or bending the capstrip, and an Ord-Hume style
wing rib jig (EAA wood book).
For materials we have T-88 epoxy 1 quart kit, we will be ordering
spruce capstrips 3 pcs for each rib. One 6 ft pc (top capstrip and
diagonals), one 5 ft pc (bottom capstrip), and one 5 ft pc ( diagonals
and cross members). 5 square feet of mahogany poplar plywood for
gussets (we will probably order 8 ft, we believe that 1x4 and 2x2 pieces
are the smallest sizes available). We will be ordering our materials
from Wicks. We are using these materials because they are meet mil spec
and they will give us reasonably light ribs. Also they will be similar
to the joints that we will be using in other part of the aircraft (T-88
glue holding spruce stucture to mahagony gussets).
We are planning on stapling the gussets to the capstrips and then
removing the staples after the glue has set.
If anyone could let us know if we are on the right track or if we
are missing the boat we would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks again
Norm and Adrienne Decou
normdecou(at)sympatico.ca (new email address)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Pietenpol Fly-In |
Doug and I are gearing up to host the 3rd Annual Pietenpol Fly-In, at Benton
Airpark. This year it will be Oct 12. I hope the weather is good, and we
get a great turn out. Please help us get the word out. We'll keep ya
updated.
Chuck Gantzer
NX770CG
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "rod wooller" <rodwooller(at)hotmail.com> |
Norm and Adrienne
Someone on the list ( I can't remember who ) glued up his ribs in the jig
and then carefully removed them before fixing on the gussets. The gussets
were then just glued on both sides at once and held with clothes pegs.
I have started my ribs and gave it a go. It works perfectly and with a
little square of wax paper under each joint there is no problem with gluing
up things you don't really mean to.
One thing I have been very careful with is getting a really accurate join
between the capstrips and braces. It takes a little more effort, but I think
it is worth the extra time.
Good luck with whichever method you chose, one thing's for sure, there are
many ways of building a Piet and many able and experienced builders out
there willing to help out us beginners.
Cheers,
Rod wooller
Australia
>From: Norm Decou <normdecou(at)sympatico.ca>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing ribs
>Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 13:02:16 -0400
>
>
>> We are planning on stapling the gussets to the capstrips and then
>removing the staples after the glue has set.
> If anyone could let us know if we are on the right track or if we
>are missing the boat we would greatly appreciate it.
> Thanks again
> Norm and Adrienne Decou
> normdecou(at)sympatico.ca (new email address)
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kent Hallsten <KHallsten(at)governair.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol Fly-In |
Sounds great Chuck! I'll plan on being there, it's a 3-1/2 hour drive
from me. Mmmm.... a nice October weekend in Kansas.
Can't wait.
Kent Hallsten
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Owen Davies" <owen5819(at)adelphia.net> |
In describing his method of rib making, rod wooler said:
> One thing I have been very careful with is getting a really accurate join
> between the capstrips and braces. It takes a little more effort, but I
think
> it is worth the extra time.
Depends on your criteria. Precise workmanship is always satisfying,
and you seem to be making an extra effort in one area so as to reduce
the time spent in another. (Though if you'd just put the gussets on
the first side, you could have removed the rib without waiting for the
glue to dry.) Aside from that, those joints won't do much for the
airworthiness of your rib. The verticals and diagonals simply transfer
stresses from the top and bottom surface to the gussets, which take up
all the loads that attempt to deform the ribs, rather than being routed
into the spars. They would do that just as efficiently if you lopped the
ends off square and left big, triangular gaps between them and the
upper and lower capstrips. As many efficiency-minded builders have
done, without any problems.
That said, I am fitting the ends of mine as well as I can. Those gaps
may be harmless, but they are aesthetically unsatisfying.
Owen Davies
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kent Hallsten <KHallsten(at)governair.com> |
How are you trimming the bit of gusset that overhangs the capstrip? Do you
use a router/table combination or a Dremel type tool? Big file and
Armstrong method? Sandpaper blocks?
Kent Hallsten
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)startribune.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Gusset trimming |
Used a router table for the rough trimming and light sanding by hand to ease the
sharp edge left by the router.
Greg Cardinal
>>> KHallsten(at)governair.com 05/08/02 08:46AM >>>
How are you trimming the bit of gusset that overhangs the capstrip? Do you
use a router/table combination or a Dremel type tool? Big file and
Armstrong method? Sandpaper blocks?
Kent Hallsten
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kent Hallsten <KHallsten(at)governair.com> |
What kind of bit on the router?
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Cardinal [mailto:gcardinal(at)startribune.com]
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gusset trimming
Used a router table for the rough trimming and light sanding by hand to ease
the sharp edge left by the router.
Greg Cardinal
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)startribune.com> |
A laminate trimmer with a ball bearing.
Greg
>>> KHallsten(at)governair.com 05/08/02 09:09AM >>>
What kind of bit on the router?
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Cardinal [mailto:gcardinal(at)startribune.com]
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gusset trimming
Used a router table for the rough trimming and light sanding by hand to ease
the sharp edge left by the router.
Greg Cardinal
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Gusset trimming |
Pieters,
I did an additional little operation on my rib gussets. Since building
sailboats years ago, LIghtning Class, I drilled small holes in all the lower
gussets, each side, where moisture could condense and in time rot. Won't
weaken anything but might help on the moisture bit but I wouldn't even
suggest any weight saving factor.
Corky in humid La still waiting to hear from the Fedman .
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DJ Vegh" <aircamper(at)imagedv.com> |
I'm using a laminate trimmer with a bearing flush cutter. trims an rib in
less than 20 seconds.
DJ Vegh
Mesa, AZ
GN-1/Piet hybrid
www.raptoronline.com <http://www.raptoronline.com>
N74DV
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kent
Hallsten
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gusset trimming
What kind of bit on the router?
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Cardinal [mailto:gcardinal(at)startribune.com]
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gusset trimming
Used a router table for the rough trimming and light sanding by hand to ease
the sharp edge left by the router.
Greg Cardinal
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | drain holes in the cockpit floor |
Corky brings up a good point about drain holes. I our cockpit floor areas
there are several cross pieces of ash/ other pieces etc. that can trap water in
the 3-point stance if you get in a rain shower or from your feet or from hosing
the plane down. I just drilled three 3/16" holes thru the floor board at
the left,right,
and center in front of these "dams" of wood to insure the water had a place
to go.
I then dabbed a small paint brush with polyurethane in those holes to seal
up the drilled
edges.
If you have belly stringers a few drain grommets here and there help to
ventilate and
flush that area out when you fly. What a great excuse to fly.
If you have any dihedral in your wings try to put your drain grommets on
the downward
slope next to each wing rib at the aft end--where the water (if any) might
collect.
Another neat tip the old geezers ( love those guys) taught me was to glue
on your drain
grommets and let them dry. When you are thru say silver, just get a pencil
tip soldering
iron hot and push it thru the dacron. It will melt the hole nicely and
seal the edges. You
have to de-burr the melted plastic a bit, but it works nice.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "KenGailGriff" <kengg(at)texas.net> |
This method soudns great, but how do you support the rib while the gussets
are glued? How do you keep it flat with all those pins? Also, how do you
keep the gussets from sliding?
Thanks,
Ken, still getting the fuselage sides together in Austin, Texas, and looking
forward to ribs.
----- Original Message -----
From: rod wooller <rodwooller(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wing ribs
>
> Norm and Adrienne
>
> Someone on the list ( I can't remember who ) glued up his ribs in the jig
> and then carefully removed them before fixing on the gussets. The gussets
> were then just glued on both sides at once and held with clothes pegs.
>
> I have started my ribs and gave it a go. It works perfectly and with a
> little square of wax paper under each joint there is no problem with
gluing
> up things you don't really mean to.
>
> One thing I have been very careful with is getting a really accurate join
> between the capstrips and braces. It takes a little more effort, but I
think
> it is worth the extra time.
>
> Good luck with whichever method you chose, one thing's for sure, there are
> many ways of building a Piet and many able and experienced builders out
> there willing to help out us beginners.
>
> Cheers,
> Rod wooller
> Australia
>
>
> >From: Norm Decou <normdecou(at)sympatico.ca>
> >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing ribs
> >Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 13:02:16 -0400
> >
> >
> >> We are planning on stapling the gussets to the capstrips and then
> >removing the staples after the glue has set.
> > If anyone could let us know if we are on the right track or if we
> >are missing the boat we would greatly appreciate it.
> > Thanks again
> > Norm and Adrienne Decou
> > normdecou(at)sympatico.ca (new email address)
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | raymond smith <badge784k(at)yahoo.com> |
Anyone have any comments about aerolite (spelling?) glue? Any experiences, pros
and cons, etc. I await your replies!
Mike Hattaway
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu> |
My entire airplane is Aerolite. Not a problem or worry, but after
working with T-88, I'd go that route.
Steve E
-----Original Message-----
From: raymond smith [mailto:badge784k(at)yahoo.com]
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GLUE
Anyone have any comments about aerolite (spelling?) glue? Any
experiences, pros and cons, etc. I await your replies!
Mike Hattaway
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http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)startribune.com> |
I used Aerolite on my ribs. And I would do so again. I found it much easier to
use on small gussets than T-88. For larger pieces T-88 is a good choice.
Greg
>>> badge784k(at)yahoo.com 05/08/02 02:01PM >>>
Anyone have any comments about aerolite (spelling?) glue? Any experiences, pros
and cons, etc. I await your replies!
Mike Hattaway
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
Building ribs is a delight with aerolite. Put the pookey on the spruce and
I used a tooth brush for the activator and just coated the entire side of
the gusset with a toothbrush.
Chris Bobka
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of raymond
smith
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GLUE
Anyone have any comments about aerolite (spelling?) glue? Any experiences,
pros and cons, etc. I await your replies!
Mike Hattaway
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
The Waco Airplanes ribs were made with squared off ended loose fitting
uprights and diagonals in the ribs. Indeed, the load is transferred to the
gusset in shear although the gussets are a bit larger. I would make the
gussets 30 to 50% larger in each dimension (except thickness) and disregard
the close fit of the uprights and diagonals.
chris
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Owen
Davies
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wing ribs
In describing his method of rib making, rod wooler said:
> One thing I have been very careful with is getting a really accurate join
> between the capstrips and braces. It takes a little more effort, but I
think
> it is worth the extra time.
Depends on your criteria. Precise workmanship is always satisfying,
and you seem to be making an extra effort in one area so as to reduce
the time spent in another. (Though if you'd just put the gussets on
the first side, you could have removed the rib without waiting for the
glue to dry.) Aside from that, those joints won't do much for the
airworthiness of your rib. The verticals and diagonals simply transfer
stresses from the top and bottom surface to the gussets, which take up
all the loads that attempt to deform the ribs, rather than being routed
into the spars. They would do that just as efficiently if you lopped the
ends off square and left big, triangular gaps between them and the
upper and lower capstrips. As many efficiency-minded builders have
done, without any problems.
That said, I am fitting the ends of mine as well as I can. Those gaps
may be harmless, but they are aesthetically unsatisfying.
Owen Davies
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Owen Davies" <owen5819(at)adelphia.net> |
Christian Bobka advised:
> The Waco Airplanes ribs were made with squared off ended loose fitting
> uprights and diagonals in the ribs. Indeed, the load is transferred to
the
> gusset in shear although the gussets are a bit larger. I would make the
> gussets 30 to 50% larger in each dimension (except thickness) and
disregard
> the close fit of the uprights and diagonals.
Couldn't hurt, aside from adding a tiny bit of weight. But
I'd guess that the gussets were bigger on the Wacos because
they were expected to carry a larger load, not because of
the way the uprights and diagonals were cut. The Wacos
were just a whole lot heavier than the Piet, and the open-pit
versions were probably stressed for some aerobatics.
Owen
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Owen Davies" <owen5819(at)adelphia.net> |
April 05, 2002 - May 08, 2002
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