Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-cs
July 11, 2002 - August 09, 2002
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| From: | lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan) |
| Subject: | Attending Brodhead |
I'll be there. Leon Stefan Hutchinson Ks. I have to see if I can find
my EAA Ch. name tag.
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| From: | "Brants" <tmbrant(at)uswest.net> |
I'll be there. Tom Brant from Minneapolis.
Tom B.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Rambo" <rambog(at)erols.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
>
> Let's have a list of who-all will be at Brodhead. I'll start . . . Gene
> Rambo
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)startribune.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
>
>
>
> >
> > All listers attending Brodhead - Please wear nametags so we can
identify
> > each other.
> >
> > Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis
> >
> > >>> macz(at)macsells.com 07/04/02 09:01AM >>>
> >
> > Re Brodhead--they also have breakfasts, BBQs, and other services to make
> > the
> > fly-in a blast. You won't regret it if you can make it!
> >
> > Mac in Oregon who wouldn't miss it.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <genet(at)iwon.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Pieters,
> > > With the gathering just around the corner I'm considering
> > > making the trip a family affair and my better half asked just how
> > primitive the camping would be. I don't really know how to answer and
need
> > some help with this delicate issue. For me if there air airplanes
involved
> > I
> > can endure almost anything. I once spent the night in a 172 . Some
advice
> > on
> > attending would be much appreciated?
> > >
> > > Gene Tomblin
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------
> > > Can a Web portal forever change your life?
> > > Win up to $25 Million on iWon - click here!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > t
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
I'm sweet talking my bride. Maybeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Corky in La where it's hotter than you don't want to be
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| From: | "Lou Larsen" <pietlars(at)earthlink.net> |
Don:
Did you use an old A waterpump?
I rebuilt an old A pump using a rebuild kit that had a new Stainless steel
shaft and rotor, bearings and the neoprene seals. It pumps like you
wouldn't believe. In fact Jerry, the proprietor of the local 'Model A
Store' said that I might have to grind down the vanes of the rotor to make
it less efficient. I didn't do that but I have no problems with the water
temp now that I put an overflow/vent tube in the radiator neck. I do have a
water temp gauge, (J. C. Whitney) and it reads OK, in the 100's range
All of the above for what its worth.
Just now starting to cover the wings; everything else is covered.
Regards,
Lou
----- Original Message -----
From: <Waytogopiet(at)aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Water pumps
>
> Many thanks to Bill Sayres, Clif Dawson and Larry Williams for your very
> helpful replies to my query re: Speed Queen water pumps for the Model A.
I'll
> get back to each of you re: your comments. Oh, and thanks too to Oscar
> Zuniga and Craig Wilcox for the chuckles. You have been thoroughly
> brainwashed by the Maytag repairmen's TV commercials. Madison Avenue will
> love you !! Don Hicks
>
>
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| From: | "Lou Larsen" <pietlars(at)earthlink.net> |
In reply;
I'll be there; with my nametag.
Lou
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Rambo" <rambog(at)erols.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
>
> Let's have a list of who-all will be at Brodhead. I'll start . . . Gene
> Rambo
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)startribune.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
>
>
>
> >
> > All listers attending Brodhead - Please wear nametags so we can
identify
> > each other.
> >
> > Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis
> >
> > >>> macz(at)macsells.com 07/04/02 09:01AM >>>
> >
> > Re Brodhead--they also have breakfasts, BBQs, and other services to make
> > the
> > fly-in a blast. You won't regret it if you can make it!
> >
> > Mac in Oregon who wouldn't miss it.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <genet(at)iwon.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Pieters,
> > > With the gathering just around the corner I'm considering
> > > making the trip a family affair and my better half asked just how
> > primitive the camping would be. I don't really know how to answer and
need
> > some help with this delicate issue. For me if there air airplanes
involved
> > I
> > can endure almost anything. I once spent the night in a 172 . Some
advice
> > on
> > attending would be much appreciated?
> > >
> > > Gene Tomblin
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------
> > > Can a Web portal forever change your life?
> > > Win up to $25 Million on iWon - click here!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > t
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Jon Botsford" <Botsford7(at)hot.rr.com> |
I am new to the list. What is the date(s) of Broadhead???
Jon Botsford in Waco, TX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)startribune.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
>
> All listers attending Brodhead - Please wear nametags so we can identify
> each other.
>
> Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis
>
> >>> macz(at)macsells.com 07/04/02 09:01AM >>>
>
> Re Brodhead--they also have breakfasts, BBQs, and other services to make
> the
> fly-in a blast. You won't regret it if you can make it!
>
> Mac in Oregon who wouldn't miss it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <genet(at)iwon.com>
> To:
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
>
>
> >
> >
> > Pieters,
> > With the gathering just around the corner I'm considering
> > making the trip a family affair and my better half asked just how
> primitive the camping would be. I don't really know how to answer and need
> some help with this delicate issue. For me if there air airplanes involved
> I
> can endure almost anything. I once spent the night in a 172 . Some advice
> on
> attending would be much appreciated?
> >
> > Gene Tomblin
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------
> > Can a Web portal forever change your life?
> > Win up to $25 Million on iWon - click here!
> >
> >
>
>
> t
>
>
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| From: | "Michael Conkling" <hpvs(at)southwind.net> |
Hey guys!
I'll be up at Brodhead with my official Steve E. Piet hat & my nametag from
work -- it says only Mike 'cause I know which "Mike C" I am!! I plan to
have my tent somewhere on the west side Fri. night -- see y'all then or on
Sat.
Mike C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Rambo" <rambog(at)erols.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
>
> Let's have a list of who-all will be at Brodhead. I'll start . . . Gene
> Rambo
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)startribune.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
>
>
>
> >
> > All listers attending Brodhead - Please wear nametags so we can
identify
> > each other.
> >
> > Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis
> >
> > >>> macz(at)macsells.com 07/04/02 09:01AM >>>
> >
> > Re Brodhead--they also have breakfasts, BBQs, and other services to make
> > the
> > fly-in a blast. You won't regret it if you can make it!
> >
> > Mac in Oregon who wouldn't miss it.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <genet(at)iwon.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Pieters,
> > > With the gathering just around the corner I'm considering
> > > making the trip a family affair and my better half asked just how
> > primitive the camping would be. I don't really know how to answer and
need
> > some help with this delicate issue. For me if there air airplanes
involved
> > I
> > can endure almost anything. I once spent the night in a 172 . Some
advice
> > on
> > attending would be much appreciated?
> > >
> > > Gene Tomblin
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------
> > > Can a Web portal forever change your life?
> > > Win up to $25 Million on iWon - click here!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > t
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
Friday, Jul 19, 2002 - Sunday, Jul 21, 2002
2002 Pietenpol Reunion
Airport: Brodhead, Brodhead WI - United States
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jon
> Botsford
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:19 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
>
>
>
>
> I am new to the list. What is the date(s) of Broadhead???
>
> Jon Botsford in Waco, TX
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)startribune.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
>
>
>
> >
> > All listers attending Brodhead - Please wear nametags so we
> can identify
> > each other.
> >
> > Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis
> >
> > >>> macz(at)macsells.com 07/04/02 09:01AM >>>
>
> >
> > Re Brodhead--they also have breakfasts, BBQs, and other services to make
> > the
> > fly-in a blast. You won't regret it if you can make it!
> >
> > Mac in Oregon who wouldn't miss it.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <genet(at)iwon.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Pieters,
> > > With the gathering just around the corner I'm considering
> > > making the trip a family affair and my better half asked just how
> > primitive the camping would be. I don't really know how to
> answer and need
> > some help with this delicate issue. For me if there air
> airplanes involved
> > I
> > can endure almost anything. I once spent the night in a 172 .
> Some advice
> > on
> > attending would be much appreciated?
> > >
> > > Gene Tomblin
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------
> > > Can a Web portal forever change your life?
> > > Win up to $25 Million on iWon - click here!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > t
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
>
>Hey guys!
>
>I'll be up at Brodhead with my official Steve E. Piet hat & my nametag from
>work -- it says only Mike 'cause I know which "Mike C" I am!! I plan to
>have my tent somewhere on the west side Fri. night -- see y'all then or on
>Sat.
>
>Mike C.
>Pretty Prairie, KS
>>
>> Let's have a list of who-all will be at Brodhead. I'll start . . . Gene
>> Rambo
I'm riding up with Gene. I'll see if I can scrounge up a maytag...er, nametag.
Kip Gardner
426 Schneider St. SE
North Canton, OH 44720
(330) 494-1775
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| From: | "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
I'm definitely going. After I leave there I might drop by that Oshkosh
thingy for a while.....whatever.
Main thing is I get to go to Brodhead......
Loading up and driving north early Wednesday morning.......and hoping to
have my tent setup later Thursday afternoon. I can hardly wait to sit back,
close my eyes and just listen as they cruise, low and slow, down
final.......
And I TOTALLY agree with the name badge idea.......
This is gonna be SO much fun........
Jim Markle
Plano, TX
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| From: | "Ken Chambers" <kengg(at)texas.net> |
Hey Jon
I'm in Austin, with the fuselage in the boat stage. I pass through Waco all
the time and I'd love to have a look at your project, if that's possible.
Ken with the Piet put aside for now while we try to sell the house.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Botsford <Botsford7(at)hot.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
>
> I am new to the list. What is the date(s) of Broadhead???
>
> Jon Botsford in Waco, TX
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)startribune.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
>
>
>
> >
> > All listers attending Brodhead - Please wear nametags so we can
identify
> > each other.
> >
> > Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis
> >
> > >>> macz(at)macsells.com 07/04/02 09:01AM >>>
> >
> > Re Brodhead--they also have breakfasts, BBQs, and other services to make
> > the
> > fly-in a blast. You won't regret it if you can make it!
> >
> > Mac in Oregon who wouldn't miss it.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <genet(at)iwon.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Pieters,
> > > With the gathering just around the corner I'm considering
> > > making the trip a family affair and my better half asked just how
> > primitive the camping would be. I don't really know how to answer and
need
> > some help with this delicate issue. For me if there air airplanes
involved
> > I
> > can endure almost anything. I once spent the night in a 172 . Some
advice
> > on
> > attending would be much appreciated?
> > >
> > > Gene Tomblin
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------
> > > Can a Web portal forever change your life?
> > > Win up to $25 Million on iWon - click here!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > t
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | flyboy_120(at)webtv.net (Ed G.) |
I'll be there Fri about noon. camp on the west side Friday nite. And
there Saturday. Hope to meet as many of Y'all as possible. Will have
nametag & Official Steve E hat. Ed G. Palm Harbor Fl.
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| From: | "" <genet(at)iwon.com> |
Listers ,
Thank you for the information on Brodhead. I'll be driving up on
Friday to arrive about 5:00 PM if all goes as planed. Sounds like it will be a
great weekend. The camping sounds better than
our usual spot in Oklahoma, back when I lived in Texas. So It looks like the Tomblin's
will join you all on the west side under the trees.
Gene Tomblin
------------------------------------------------
Can a Web portal forever change your life?
Win up to $25 Million on iWon - click here!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael King" <mikek120(at)mindspring.com> |
Listers,
I will be flying from Dallas to Chicago on July 20th and then drive on to
Green Bay
to pick up my brothers who will attend with me the air show in Oshkosh.
Question, when is Brodhead be this year? If I am in the area, I would like
to try
to make it.
Thanks.....
Mike King
Grega GN-1
77MK
Dallas, Texas
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
genet(at)iwon.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2002
Listers ,
Thank you for the information on Brodhead. I'll be driving up on
Friday to arrive about 5:00 PM if all goes as planed. Sounds like it will be
a great weekend. The camping sounds better than
our usual spot in Oklahoma, back when I lived in Texas. So It looks like the
Tomblin's will join you all on the west side under the trees.
Gene Tomblin
------------------------------------------------
Can a Web portal forever change your life?
Win up to $25 Million on iWon - click here!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 07/11/02 |
I'll be there on Friday and Sat morning - Kirk Huizenga - St Paul,MN
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| Subject: | Prop Carving Resource |
To all interested:
I have scanned and uploaded a book called How I Build Wood Propellers
by Al Schubert. Al wrote this book in the '80s as a help to those
interested in carving there own props. He never wanted to make money
off the book and never really published it. He would simply give
copies to whomever asked.
It is my understanding that Al is no longer with us (though I'd love
to hear otherwise).
There are some corvair, kr2, and pietenpol specific props he carved
so I though it would be of interest to this list.
You can download it at the link below. It is a large .pdf file (10 or
11 megs), but worth it (130+ pages). I will soon add a separate .pdf
file with the misc pictures that Al included.
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=5
My plan is to eventually edit and reformat the material and get it
into a book layout.
A thanks also to Dale Johnson on this list for finding the manuscript
in the first place and making it available to us (he still has hard
copies if you don't want to print out all the pages)
Enjoy
Kirk
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| From: | del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 07/11/02 |
--- The Huizenga's <kirkh@unique-software.com> wrote:
> Huizenga's" <kirkh@unique-software.com>
>
> I'll be there on Friday and Sat morning - Kirk
> Huizenga - St Paul,MN
are you flying or driving? that is when I am planning
to be there also, we could go together
Del
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)charter.net> |
I will be there off and on. Not sure if I am camping since I don't live far
away and I am at the mercy of the patience of a seven year old but I will be
there quite a bit I hope.
-john-
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| From: | "Jon Botsford" <Botsford7(at)hot.rr.com> |
Ken,
I am looking for a partially finished project. So, I do not have anything
for you to look at now. A friend of mine in West has one almost ready to
fly. I am often in Austin perhaps we can arrange for me to look at yours.
Will you be going to Brodhead?
jon b
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Chambers" <kengg(at)texas.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
>
> Hey Jon
>
> I'm in Austin, with the fuselage in the boat stage. I pass through Waco
all
> the time and I'd love to have a look at your project, if that's possible.
>
> Ken with the Piet put aside for now while we try to sell the house.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jon Botsford <Botsford7(at)hot.rr.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
>
>
>
> >
> > I am new to the list. What is the date(s) of Broadhead???
> >
> > Jon Botsford in Waco, TX
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)startribune.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > All listers attending Brodhead - Please wear nametags so we can
> identify
> > > each other.
> > >
> > > Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis
> > >
> > > >>> macz(at)macsells.com 07/04/02 09:01AM >>>
>
> > >
> > > Re Brodhead--they also have breakfasts, BBQs, and other services to
make
> > > the
> > > fly-in a blast. You won't regret it if you can make it!
> > >
> > > Mac in Oregon who wouldn't miss it.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <genet(at)iwon.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Pieters,
> > > > With the gathering just around the corner I'm considering
> > > > making the trip a family affair and my better half asked just how
> > > primitive the camping would be. I don't really know how to answer and
> need
> > > some help with this delicate issue. For me if there air airplanes
> involved
> > > I
> > > can endure almost anything. I once spent the night in a 172 . Some
> advice
> > > on
> > > attending would be much appreciated?
> > > >
> > > > Gene Tomblin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------
> > > > Can a Web portal forever change your life?
> > > > Win up to $25 Million on iWon - click here!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > t
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Michael King" <mikek120(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Driving Directions to Brodhead |
I just arranged plans to fly into Chicago Midway on Saturday morning.
What are the driving directions from Chicago to Brodhead? I would like to
make it over there Saturday and/or Sunday.
Mike
Dallas, Texas
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| Subject: | Re: Driving Directions to Brodhead |
| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)charter.net> |
Hi Mike,
>From Chicago pickup Interstate 90 W/N. When you get to Janesville, WI from
90, take Hiway 11 West. Brodhead is about 20 minutes west of Janesville. You
will find the airport just off the hiway, look for old airplanes hovering in
the sky. Drive time will be approximately 3 hours but I am pulling that
number out of my butt.
TakeCare,
-john-
> I just arranged plans to fly into Chicago Midway on Saturday morning.
>
> What are the driving directions from Chicago to Brodhead? I would like to
> make it over there Saturday and/or Sunday.
>
>
> Mike
> Dallas, Texas
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| From: | "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Driving Directions to Brodhead |
Sitting here in St Helena, South Atlantic Ocean....you guys are making
me envious....
Peter.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
King
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Driving Directions to Brodhead
I just arranged plans to fly into Chicago Midway on Saturday morning.
What are the driving directions from Chicago to Brodhead? I would like
to
make it over there Saturday and/or Sunday.
Mike
Dallas, Texas
=
=
=
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list
=
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| Subject: | Re: Driving Directions to Brodhead |
| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)charter.net> |
You could start driving now but I would have to give you different
directions. Also, you would need to hold your breath for a very long
time....
TakeCare,
-john-
>
> Sitting here in St Helena, South Atlantic Ocean....you guys are making
> me envious....
>
> Peter.
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| From: | "Gadd, Skip" <Skip.Gadd(at)ssa.gov> |
| Subject: | Prop Carving Resource |
Dale Johnson sent me a copy of this, it is great.
It is a must if you are considering carving your own prop.
Skip
>Kirk wrote:
>I have scanned and uploaded a book called How I Build Wood Propellers
>by Al Schubert.
>You can download it at the link below. It is a large .pdf file (10 or
>11 megs), but worth it (130+ pages). I will soon add a separate .pdf
>file with the misc pictures that Al included.
>http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=5
>A thanks also to Dale Johnson on this list for finding the manuscript
>in the first place and making it available to us (he still has hard
>copies if you don't want to print out all the pages)
>Enjoy
>Kirk
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| From: | "Gadd, Skip" <Skip.Gadd(at)ssa.gov> |
Pieter's
Hope to arrive Brodhead Wednesday morning or mid-day.
Will camp on the west side by the wooden outhouse.
May go up to OSH after the weekend.
Skip
-----Original Message's-----
--> Pietenpol-List messages
>Wouldn't miss it, Mac Zirges
>Please wear nametags, Greg Cardinal
>Let's have a list...I'll start, Gene Rambo
>I'll be there, Tom Brant
>I'll be there, Lou Larsen
>I'll be there, Leon Stefan
>Maybeeeeeee, Corky
>I'm definitely going, Jim Markle
>The Tomblin's will join, Gene Tomblin
>I'll be up at Brodhead, Mike Conkling
>I'm riding up with Gene, Kip Gardner
>I'll be there Friday, Ed Grentzer
>I'll be there Friday, Kirk Huizenga
>I am planning to be there, Del Magsam
>I will be there off and on, John Hofmann
>I'll be wearing a tie-died shirt, Dennis Engelkenjon
>I would like to made it Saturday, Mike King
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| From: | lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan) |
| Subject: | Re: Driving Directions to Brodhead |
....Sat./and or Sun.---Mike, push hard for Sat. That's officially the
last day. On Sun. you may arrive to an empty field. Leon S. do not
archive
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| From: | "Michael King" <mikek120(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Driving Directions to Brodhead |
Leon,
Thanks for the advise. Hope to see you next week.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Leon Stefan
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Driving Directions to Brodhead
....Sat./and or Sun.---Mike, push hard for Sat. That's officially the
last day. On Sun. you may arrive to an empty field. Leon S. do not
archive
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Driving Directions to Brodhead |
| From: | john e fay <jefay(at)juno.com> |
> I just arranged plans to fly into Chicago Midway on Saturday
> morning.
>
> What are the driving directions from Chicago to Brodhead? I would
> like to
> make it over there Saturday and/or Sunday.
>
>
> Mike
> Dallas, Texas
>
> Mike,
Driving time from O'Hare should be about 1.5 hours or less, depending
upon whether you get lost in Janesville or Beloit ( I am from that area
and still have troubles, especially in Beloit. I was there last weekend
and got off I-90 at Highway 81 in Beloit. Follow 81 west through Beloit
and out to Brodhead. On a sunny day it is a beautiful drive. If you
come in on 81 you will turn north onto County road T when you are
straight south of the town. You then need to turn left immediately onto
a little road called (I think) Half-way Tree Road. After about 1/4 mile
you will turn back to the north onto Airport road. Then you are there.
I've been there 8 or 9 years in a row now, and it is great. I enjoy it
more every year. My partner David Scott and I are planning to fly up
from Peoria early Sat. morning. Looking forward to seeing you all then.
John Fay in Peoria
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| From: | "morrisons5" <morrisons5(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Driving Directions to Brodhead |
> ....Sat./and or Sun.---Mike, push hard for Sat. That's officially the
> last day. On Sun. you may arrive to an empty field. Leon S. do not
> archive
>
I thought that the fly-in was Saturday and Sunday (20th/21st). What is the
real schedule of events?
Malcolm
>
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| From: | "TWINBOOM" <TWINBOOM(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Resource |
Kirk,
I received a copy form Dale about a year ago. He only asked for the
shipping/copy-ing charges. Around ten bucks. It is quite an education on
building your own props. Here is his info if anyone is intrested in a hard
copy already setup in a little folder form,
Dale Johnson
2508 Hayes Dr.
Burnsville, Mn.
55337-1044
Doug Blackburn
Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn
ArrowBear Lake Ca.
Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca. http://inlandsloperebels.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "The Huizenga's" <kirkh@unique-software.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Resource
<kirkh@unique-software.com>
>
> To all interested:
>
> I have scanned and uploaded a book called How I Build Wood Propellers
> by Al Schubert. Al wrote this book in the '80s as a help to those
> interested in carving there own props. He never wanted to make money
> off the book and never really published it. He would simply give
> copies to whomever asked.
>
> It is my understanding that Al is no longer with us (though I'd love
> to hear otherwise).
>
> There are some corvair, kr2, and pietenpol specific props he carved
> so I though it would be of interest to this list.
>
> You can download it at the link below. It is a large .pdf file (10 or
> 11 megs), but worth it (130+ pages). I will soon add a separate .pdf
> file with the misc pictures that Al included.
>
>
> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=5
>
> My plan is to eventually edit and reformat the material and get it
> into a book layout.
>
> A thanks also to Dale Johnson on this list for finding the manuscript
> in the first place and making it available to us (he still has hard
> copies if you don't want to print out all the pages)
>
> Enjoy
> Kirk
>
>
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| From: | "Skip Gadd" <csfog(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Driving Directions to Brodhead |
Malcolm,
The official fly-in is Friday to Sunday. Real world is, folks start
arriving Thursday afternoon and most leave Saturday after dinner. By Sunday
noon there is usually about half dozen of us hard cord types just hanging
around.
May be different this year because OSH doesn't start till Tuesday.
Hope to see you there.
Skip
> I thought that the fly-in was Saturday and Sunday (20th/21st). What is
the
> real schedule of events?
>
> Malcolm
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| Subject: | Re: To Fly, is to Live |
In a message dated 7/11/02 9:12:04 AM Central Daylight Time, cgalley(at)qcbc.org
writes:
<< Do you have any provision for carb heat?? >>
Yes, it's an ol' can o' soup beans. Always on, just the way B.H.P. did it.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Resource |
| From: | "D.Dale Johnson" <dd5john(at)juno.com> |
Hi All
I will be a brodhead arriving sat at noon
Still have copies of Al Schuburt prop book.
Will bring them along.
Dale Johnson Mpls, Mn
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 07/12/02 |
Hi gang:
Add my name to the list. I'll be there Sat, wearing a Pietenpol cap
;-) Ryder Olsen
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| From: | "Patrick Driscoll" <patrick36(at)usfamily.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Resource |
Dale,
I can't make the Brodhead trip but I would like a copy of the prop book.
Email me with the cost and your address and I can pick it up. I live in St.
Paul
Pat Driscoll
patrick36(at)usfamily.net
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| From: | "Skip Gadd" <csfog(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | RE: Going to Brodhead |
Received the below email, another Piet List reader going to Brodhead
> Will be at Brodhead next week. Am driving up should arrive Friday after
lunch, > if all goes well.
> Although I read the archive list every day, I don't subscribe so can't
add my
> name to the list. Would you be kind enough to add it for me?
> Thanks
> P F Beck
> Barnwell SC
--- Skip + Cinda Gadd
--- csfog(at)earthlink.net
--- EarthLink: It's your Internet.
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| From: | ANNCARLEK(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 07/11/02 |
Count me in too. I'll be driving up from College Station TX, with my wife and
we'll be camping too, if we can! Ready to join the fuse sides after Oshkosh.
Carl Lekven
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| From: | "Jon Botsford" <Botsford7(at)hot.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 07/11/02 |
I will get there some time Saturday morning, driving from Waco, Texas.
Jon Botsford
----- Original Message -----
From: <ANNCARLEK(at)aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 07/11/02
>
> Count me in too. I'll be driving up from College Station TX, with my wife
and
> we'll be camping too, if we can! Ready to join the fuse sides after
Oshkosh.
> Carl Lekven
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan James" <MADjames(at)theknapp.freeserve.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Crossing the pond for Brodhead |
Hi Gang
Two good friends of mine are making the pilgrimage from England to be with
you at Brodhead on Friday & Saturday. Their names are Dave & Steve
Slaughter. Both have flown in G-BUCO and are about 50% thru building their
own Piet - so they only have 90% to go!
I'm sure you'll make them feel welcome.
As for me, I hope to get over there next year.
Regards
Alan James
>
>
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| From: | "Michael Brusilow" <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Would one of you Pieters going to Brodhead post a for sale sign for me?
My flying days are over. I am not happy, but I am putting Mr Sam up for
sale.
Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )
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| From: | "Michael King" <mikek120(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 07/11/02 |
Looks there will be several good ole boys from Texas....
College Station, Waco, Dallas and other areas of the Lone
Star State.
Maybe we should make it a Texas Bar-B-Q cookout to boot.
Mike King
GN-1
77 MK
Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jon Botsford
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 07/11/02
I will get there some time Saturday morning, driving from Waco, Texas.
Jon Botsford
----- Original Message -----
From: <ANNCARLEK(at)aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 07/11/02
>
> Count me in too. I'll be driving up from College Station TX, with my wife
and
> we'll be camping too, if we can! Ready to join the fuse sides after
Oshkosh.
> Carl Lekven
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 07/11/02 |
I wish I could make it. We just got from Colorado last weekend and another
trip at this time (we are working to grow our company) is out of the
questions.
Guys, take some great pics and post them on my site (or will if you need me
to). Lot's of details and different things people did that are interesting.
-Gary (in rainy Houston, wishing he was going to Brodhead this year)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael
> King
> Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 6:07 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs -
> 07/11/02
>
>
>
>
> Looks there will be several good ole boys from Texas....
> College Station, Waco, Dallas and other areas of the Lone
> Star State.
>
> Maybe we should make it a Texas Bar-B-Q cookout to boot.
>
>
> Mike King
> GN-1
> 77 MK
> Dallas
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Jon Botsford
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 07/11/02
>
>
>
> I will get there some time Saturday morning, driving from Waco, Texas.
>
> Jon Botsford
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <ANNCARLEK(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 07/11/02
>
>
> >
> > Count me in too. I'll be driving up from College Station TX,
> with my wife
> and
> > we'll be camping too, if we can! Ready to join the fuse sides after
> Oshkosh.
> > Carl Lekven
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Ken Chambers" <kengg(at)texas.net> |
Hey Jon
No, no vacations for me this year. I've been sporadically employed since the
bubble burst last year. I've got work now and I've got to run with it.
You're welcome to come and have a look any time, but it's hanging from the
garage ceiling right now. I'm preparing to sell my house so it's on the back
burner for a month or two.
Good luck with your hunting. That's a great way to get started.
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Botsford <Botsford7(at)hot.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
>
> Ken,
> I am looking for a partially finished project. So, I do not have anything
> for you to look at now. A friend of mine in West has one almost ready to
> fly. I am often in Austin perhaps we can arrange for me to look at yours.
> Will you be going to Brodhead?
>
> jon b
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Chambers" <kengg(at)texas.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
>
>
> >
> > Hey Jon
> >
> > I'm in Austin, with the fuselage in the boat stage. I pass through Waco
> all
> > the time and I'd love to have a look at your project, if that's
possible.
> >
> > Ken with the Piet put aside for now while we try to sell the house.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jon Botsford <Botsford7(at)hot.rr.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I am new to the list. What is the date(s) of Broadhead???
> > >
> > > Jon Botsford in Waco, TX
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)startribune.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > All listers attending Brodhead - Please wear nametags so we can
> > identify
> > > > each other.
> > > >
> > > > Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis
> > > >
> > > > >>> macz(at)macsells.com 07/04/02 09:01AM >>>
> >
> > > >
> > > > Re Brodhead--they also have breakfasts, BBQs, and other services to
> make
> > > > the
> > > > fly-in a blast. You won't regret it if you can make it!
> > > >
> > > > Mac in Oregon who wouldn't miss it.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <genet(at)iwon.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Pieters,
> > > > > With the gathering just around the corner I'm considering
> > > > > making the trip a family affair and my better half asked just how
> > > > primitive the camping would be. I don't really know how to answer
and
> > need
> > > > some help with this delicate issue. For me if there air airplanes
> > involved
> > > > I
> > > > can endure almost anything. I once spent the night in a 172 . Some
> > advice
> > > > on
> > > > attending would be much appreciated?
> > > > >
> > > > > Gene Tomblin
> > > > >
> > > > >
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>
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| From: | "Steven G. Isaacs, MD" <flysgi(at)mindspring.com> |
At the last minute it appears that I might be able to make it to
Brodhead. Does anyone know if I am welcome there in my noisy Comanche 250,
or should I land at another place and drive in. How about camping vs.
Motel? Also, will I miss things if I can't get there until around noon on
Saturday?
I have ribs done, and an engine lined up but have never taken a ride in a
Piet. Is it possible that anyone might be willing to take me for a spin
around the patch? I have heard how fun it is to fly, but it sure would be
a construction moral boost!
Steve (from NC)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Skip Gadd" <csfog(at)earthlink.net> |
Steve,
No problem if you can land in 2430' grass.
Arriving Saturday noon give you just enough time to get a good building
boost. Unless the WX closes in you can probably hop a ride or 2.
Camping is recommended, there are no motels in Brodhead. The closest motel
is Monroe, 15 miles to the west. Monroe airport, EFT, Flight Guide says
they have taxi, but no word on rental car. FBO Touch & Go Avtn 608 392-7777.
Skip
> At the last minute it appears that I might be able to make it to
> Brodhead. Does anyone know if I am welcome there in my noisy Comanche
250,
> or should I land at another place and drive in. How about camping vs.
> Motel? Also, will I miss things if I can't get there until around noon
on
> Saturday?
>
> I have ribs done, and an engine lined up but have never taken a ride in a
> Piet. Is it possible that anyone might be willing to take me for a spin
> around the patch? I have heard how fun it is to fly, but it sure would
be
> a construction moral boost!
>
> Steve (from NC)
--- Skip + Cinda Gadd
--- csfog(at)earthlink.net
--- EarthLink: It's your Internet.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Resource |
Kirk,
I downloaded the file and there seems to be a problem with page 27. Please
check the file to see if you experience the same thing.
Robert Haines
Du Quoin, Illinois
P.S. - List: My wife and are considering going to Brodhead as a
mini-vacation, although she is not interested in airplanes so that might not
be the place. So if you would like, put me on the list as "probably there
only in spirit". Someone please take lots of pictures and stick them on the
web.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Resource |
Kirk,
I downloaded it again and got the page this time... never mind the previous
message. Thanks.
Robert Haines
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Resource
> Kirk,
>
> I downloaded the file and there seems to be a problem with page 27.
Please
> check the file to see if you experience the same thing.
>
> Robert Haines
> Du Quoin, Illinois
>
> P.S. - List: My wife and are considering going to Brodhead as a
> mini-vacation, although she is not interested in airplanes so that might
not
> be the place. So if you would like, put me on the list as "probably there
> only in spirit". Someone please take lots of pictures and stick them on
the
> web.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
For thoise of you in the hi performance moneys..I mean mooneys and comanches
and bonanzas... make sure you check the density altitude for arrival and
departure. The runway is quite short. Only one runway will be open. It is
the east west at the north end and there typically is a 90 degree crosswind
with turbulence of the air spilling over the trees so don't count on any
wind.
chris bobka
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steven G.
Isaacs, MD
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead
At the last minute it appears that I might be able to make it to
Brodhead. Does anyone know if I am welcome there in my noisy Comanche 250,
or should I land at another place and drive in. How about camping vs.
Motel? Also, will I miss things if I can't get there until around noon on
Saturday?
I have ribs done, and an engine lined up but have never taken a ride in a
Piet. Is it possible that anyone might be willing to take me for a spin
around the patch? I have heard how fun it is to fly, but it sure would be
a construction moral boost!
Steve (from NC)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
I am almost ready to call for my inspection, but I have a question
concerning the experimental sticker. The advisory seems to read that they
have to be on the outside of the plane very near the door, while looking at
some of the pictures of other completed and flying homebuilts, I've noticed
some of the planes do not have them, I do have the homebuilt warning plaques
on the inside, so my question is do I or don't I have to put these
experimental labels on the outside?
Answer: The requirement for the "experimental" placard near the entrance of
the aircraft is called out in 14 CFR 45.23(b), which states:
"(b) When marks that include only the Roman capital letter "N" and the
registration number are displayed on limited or restricted category aircraft
or experimental or provisionally certificated aircraft, the operator shall
also display on that aircraft near each entrance to the cabin or cockpit, in
letters not less than 2 inches nor more than 6 inches in height, the words
"limited," "restricted," "experimental," or "provisional airworthiness," as
the case may be."
Notice two things about this regulation:
First, it says "on the aircraft". It does not say on the OUTSIDE of the
aircraft. (More on this later.)
Second, it mentions that this placard is needed "(w)hen marks that include
only the Roman capital letter "N" and the registration number are
displayed..." This somewhat cryptic sentence refers to the option provided
in 14 CFR 45.22(b)(1)(ii), which states in part:
"(1) It displays in accordance with 45.21(c) marks at least 2 inches high
on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface consisting of the
Roman capital letter "N" followed by:
(i) The U.S. registration number of the aircraft; or
(ii) The symbol appropriate to the airworthiness certificate of the aircraft
("C", standard; "R", restricted; "L", limited; or "X", experimental)
followed by the U.S. registration number of the aircraft..."
45.22(b)(1)(ii) allows an aircraft which holds an experimental airworthiness
certificate to display the registration number as "NX12345" if desired. When
the "NX" designation is displayed, the "experimental" placard near the
entrance is not required. Here's the guidance provided in FAA Order 8130.2D,
paragraph 17 (on page 8):
"d. In addition, 45.23(b) provides that when the appropriate symbol is
used with the nationality and registration marks in accordance with
45.22(b)(1)(ii), the words "limited," "restricted," or "experimental" are
not required to be displayed on the aircraft."
Now, back to the placement of the "experimental" placard. As mentioned, the
regulation does not specifically state that the placard must be on the
outside of the aircraft. The real issue is to place the placard (if
required) in a location that can be viewed by passengers as they board the
aircraft. Many times, the configuration of the door or canopy lends itself
to placing this placard on an interior surface that is readily viewable from
outside the aircraft when the door or canopy is open for boarding. Most
inspectors will accept this type of placement, but if you're planning on
using the placard (rather than using "NX" in the registration number) I
would suggest discussing the placard location with the inspector who will be
conducting the final inspection on your aircraft. This way, you won't get an
unpleasant surprise during the inspection.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | a proposition..read this corky.. |
I was thinking the other day about how my glider only rated buddy who had
the heart attack last fall was going to get to fly his almost finished piet
without having to get the third class medical (and the paperwork nightmare
that will ensue with its attendant costs)and without waiting for the Sport
Pilot thing to come around. Here are my thoughts:
When the paperwork is filled out, say the piet (for example..to the FAA..the
Corky manufactured Isabelle-1) is not an airplane but instead a MOTORGLIDER.
The definition of a motor glider is quite vague and the piet could certianly
qualify. The space shuttles are civilian aircraft that are required to have
n numbers and are motorgliders. So are some of the 6 million dollar man
style lifing bodies. The wing loading is certainly equal to or less than
the wing loadings on many hi performance ballast carrying gliders (both
powered and unpowered). Many motorgliders have a more powerful engine (ie
Stemme).
The benefit to us is that the pilot need only have a self certified medical
and be a glider pilot without any restriction on his certificate for motor
self launch (most guys have aerotow only restrictions but this can be
removed with a little more training).
Insurance might be less too.
Just an idea....
Chris bobka
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Airport Info Link for Brodhead C37 |
http://www.airnav.com/airport/C37
Group, Here is where you can get all the details about the airport at
Brodhead, Wisconsin.
Chris is correct that the E-W runway will be the only runway open. It
measures 2,430'x155'.
Departing to the West you have a fair downhill grade with corn for your
obstruction for
quite a way. I've seen (even on some 85 F days) an Apache, Seneca,
float Cessna,
and others do well in and out of there.
Mike C.
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: a proposition..read this corky.. |
Chris,
I like your thinking. Isabelle-1 will get a rest for a few days. The real
Isabelle has been acting strange the last week. Pouting, untalking,
unsmiling, uncooking, and generally a real strain to be with. I guess you
might say a typical YANKEE woman in a bad mood. I just couldn't figure the
problem so I finally asked why such an attitude change. She said, " if I
don't get to go to Brodhead I'll act this way for the rest of the year",
soooooooooooo I gave in and bought us a couple of tickets to Madison> Now
that she knows she is going to Brodhead everything is southern.
On the Sport Pilot issue, I'm just hoping that EAA is trying to make and get
a big publicity splash by announcing it's approval at their annual thing. So
little has been said of the issue lately. I am so over- convinced that it
will never get off the ground that I am bringing my own FOR SALE sign for the
Brodhead bulletin board to be posted in the near future ( after it is flown
and tested)
Sure hope to see you there
Corky w/ the happiest bride ever
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Earl Fortner <efortner(at)vnet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: a proposition..read this corky.. |
If it happens again take her back up north and let her get reyankeeizied.
That should fix things.
Earl lurking from the RV4 list
Isablcorky(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Chris,
> I like your thinking. Isabelle-1 will get a rest for a few days. The real
> Isabelle has been acting strange the last week. Pouting, untalking,
> unsmiling, uncooking, and generally a real strain to be with. I guess you
> might say a typical YANKEE woman in a bad mood. I just couldn't figure the
> problem so I finally asked why such an attitude change. She said, " if I
> don't get to go to Brodhead I'll act this way for the rest of the year",
> soooooooooooo I gave in and bought us a couple of tickets to Madison> Now
> that she knows she is going to Brodhead everything is southern.
>
> On the Sport Pilot issue, I'm just hoping that EAA is trying to make and get
> a big publicity splash by announcing it's approval at their annual thing. So
> little has been said of the issue lately. I am so over- convinced that it
> will never get off the ground that I am bringing my own FOR SALE sign for the
> Brodhead bulletin board to be posted in the near future ( after it is flown
> and tested)
> Sure hope to see you there
> Corky w/ the happiest bride ever
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kent Hallsten <KHallsten(at)governair.com> |
| Subject: | Bought a Corvair engine last week |
This past week a friend at work delivered a 1964 Corvair 110 horsepower to
me. It's pretty grungy and needs a total teardown and rebuild. I have
William Wynn's manual and also bought another book called "Keeping your
Corvair alive" . I bought a shop manual too. My wife rolled her eyes when
I said "Hey honey, I bought an engine for my airplane for $100 today!"
She's not too happy, I think the low price scared her. Should have said
$3,000.
I can't make it to Brodhead this year, but next year is a definite. Everyone
have a good time, and anyone who can please take pictures and if possible
put them on the web, I'd love to see what goes on when Pietenpoler's let
their hair down.
I sure hope the Kansas fly-in we talked about for September is still on, I
can make that one.
Doug, I can pick up the jigs you offered me almost any weekend, or I can
wait and get them at the September fly-in. Let me know.
Kent Hallsten
Oklahoma City
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Resource |
| From: | "D.Dale Johnson" <dd5john(at)juno.com> |
Hi Pat
The book is 10$ for coping and a cover.
Give me a call my phone no is 952 890 3905.
Dale
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dkowell <dkowell(at)cstone.net> |
want to stop buy w 67 and pick me up for a ride to the flyin
Christian Bobka wrote:
>
> For thoise of you in the hi performance moneys..I mean mooneys and comanches
> and bonanzas... make sure you check the density altitude for arrival and
> departure. The runway is quite short. Only one runway will be open. It is
> the east west at the north end and there typically is a 90 degree crosswind
> with turbulence of the air spilling over the trees so don't count on any
> wind.
>
> chris bobka
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steven G.
> Isaacs, MD
> To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead
>
>
>
> At the last minute it appears that I might be able to make it to
> Brodhead. Does anyone know if I am welcome there in my noisy Comanche 250,
> or should I land at another place and drive in. How about camping vs.
> Motel? Also, will I miss things if I can't get there until around noon on
> Saturday?
>
> I have ribs done, and an engine lined up but have never taken a ride in a
> Piet. Is it possible that anyone might be willing to take me for a spin
> around the patch? I have heard how fun it is to fly, but it sure would be
> a construction moral boost!
>
> Steve (from NC)
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ANNCARLEK(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Model A engine, radiator tanks and prop. |
I'll be at Brodhead all day Saturday, and will be happy to describe some Piet
stuff Chapter96 would like to sell:
A engine - fully converted, with mag. Loosely assembled, finger tight
Radiator - nice, never installed, surface corrosion from long storage
(Brass)
Prop Sensenich, 72 X 44, looks good, needs a litttle TLC
Tanks - welded aluminum, never installed (for 2 piece wing)
Chapter 96 would like offers
See you soon - anncarlek
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Horse Power? was Fuel economy? |
If I remember correctly, that telescope floats in a tank of mercury. No
bearings!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Phillips" <jackphillips(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Horse Power? was Fuel economy?
I remember reading somewhere that the motor used to drive the 40 ton 200
inch telescope at Mt. Palomar was a 1/12th horsepower electric motor geared
way down. Of course the bearings supporting the telescope were above
average in quality.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Haines
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horse Power? was Fuel economy?
Theoretically, you could move the whole world if you had a long enough
lever, or had a Briggs and Stratton engine geared down low enough.
Robert Haines
Du Quoin, Illinois
****
I just cant imagine any 1 hp (or 5HP) Briggs and
Straton engine (with a propulsion wheel of course)
that could even MOVE the carriage by itself!!!
*****
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Navratril" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Airport Info Link for Brodhead C37 |
I had my Seneca in there 2 years ago on a hot day. No problems. Its a
great conditioned grass strip. I'll be flying the truck camper this year
though.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airport Info Link for Brodhead C37
>
> http://www.airnav.com/airport/C37
>
> Group, Here is where you can get all the details about the airport at
> Brodhead, Wisconsin.
> Chris is correct that the E-W runway will be the only runway open. It
> measures 2,430'x155'.
> Departing to the West you have a fair downhill grade with corn for your
> obstruction for
> quite a way. I've seen (even on some 85 F days) an Apache, Seneca,
> float Cessna,
> and others do well in and out of there.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard(at)titan.com> |
| Subject: | Horse Power? was Fuel economy? |
Wrong telescope. The 100 inch Hooker telescope and the solar telescope at
Sunspot Arizona use the mercury. The 200 inch uses pressurized oil pads.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Cy Galley [mailto:cgalley(at)qcbc.org]
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horse Power? was Fuel economy?
If I remember correctly, that telescope floats in a tank of mercury. No
bearings!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Phillips" <jackphillips(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Horse Power? was Fuel economy?
I remember reading somewhere that the motor used to drive the 40 ton 200
inch telescope at Mt. Palomar was a 1/12th horsepower electric motor geared
way down. Of course the bearings supporting the telescope were above
average in quality.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Haines
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horse Power? was Fuel economy?
Theoretically, you could move the whole world if you had a long enough
lever, or had a Briggs and Stratton engine geared down low enough.
Robert Haines
Du Quoin, Illinois
****
I just cant imagine any 1 hp (or 5HP) Briggs and
Straton engine (with a propulsion wheel of course)
that could even MOVE the carriage by itself!!!
*****
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
Nieuport Builders Group
Stewart Turbine P-51.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1843017783
Regards,
Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
MyKitPlane.com
EAA 665957
gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=43
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=68
"What's the hurry? Are you afraid I won't come back?"
Manfred von Richthofen, 'The Red Baron,' last recorded words, in reply to
a request for an autograph as he was climbing into the cockpit of his plane.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | raymond smith <badge784k(at)yahoo.com> |
Maybe you guys should switch to the telescopes list or start one! OR, take a course
in small engine repair, and try that Briggs hypothesis for yourselves. Have
fun!
Jose
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Boyd" <pietenpol41(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Attending Brodhead |
I'll be there. Dave Boyd, Champaign, IL
From: lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Attending Brodhead
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:00:25 -0500 (CDT)
-- Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
I'll be there. Leon Stefan Hutchinson Ks. I have to see if I can find
my EAA Ch. name tag.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Resource |
| From: | catdesigns(at)juno.com |
Just thought I would say HI to all of you who did not get to go to
Brodhead. I have been having a heck of a time getting my control torque
tube built. It's been fun and not really that hard but the alignment of
some of the parts could be better. Oh well. One word of warning. I
drilled all the holes with my trusty 1/4" bit and as it turns out an AN4
bolt (1/4" bolt) fits to sloppy in my 1/4" hole. The control stick had
about 1/4" of play as measured at the top of the stick. Not good. I was
saved by a close tolerance bolt. Fits nice and tight now however at
$1.00 each I think I will buy a different 1/4" drill bit. Any guess why
the AN4 bolt did not fit tight? Some 1/4" OD brass tubing I had lying
around fit nice and tight in the hole and some 1/4" piano wire was
slightly too big. Is an AN4 not really 0.25". Maybe its like a 2x4, it
started out at 1/4 inch then after it was manufactured it is 0.23" or
something.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "TWINBOOM" <TWINBOOM(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Resource |
Chris,
having been through machine shop, and having followed learned practices
way back when, here is a possible solution. No matter how small holes need
to be, I always start with a small bit and work my up to the size I am going
to end up with. usually three steps does it nicely. Maybe start with a 1/8",
then a 3/16ths, and then the 1/4 inch bit. It is a bit of extra work, but
the hole seems to align better, and then the last bit does not have to work
so hard, and tends to not go "out of round" so to speak. My two cents worth.
It is a method that has worked well for me for over twenty-five years since
high school. I'm still in the wannabe builder stage. Waiting to see what
happens with the house up for sale. Take care,
Doug Blackburn
BTW Chris, my wife and were going to go out torwards Utah in September, but
have decided to go up to Oregon. Be nice to maybe stop and buy you a cup of
coffee on our way up the I-5. Let me know. Porbably the third week of
September. Good luck! DB
Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn
ArrowBear Lake Ca.
Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca. http://inlandsloperebels.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <catdesigns(at)juno.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Resource
>
> Just thought I would say HI to all of you who did not get to go to
> Brodhead. I have been having a heck of a time getting my control torque
> tube built. It's been fun and not really that hard but the alignment of
> some of the parts could be better. Oh well. One word of warning. I
> drilled all the holes with my trusty 1/4" bit and as it turns out an AN4
> bolt (1/4" bolt) fits to sloppy in my 1/4" hole. The control stick had
> about 1/4" of play as measured at the top of the stick. Not good. I was
> saved by a close tolerance bolt. Fits nice and tight now however at
> $1.00 each I think I will buy a different 1/4" drill bit. Any guess why
> the AN4 bolt did not fit tight? Some 1/4" OD brass tubing I had lying
> around fit nice and tight in the hole and some 1/4" piano wire was
> slightly too big. Is an AN4 not really 0.25". Maybe its like a 2x4, it
> started out at 1/4 inch then after it was manufactured it is 0.23" or
> something.
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
| Subject: | Prop Carving Resource |
This is good advice. Also, you should get a reamer if you are going to do
much metal work.
-Gary
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of TWINBOOM
> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 1:14 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Resource
>
>
> Chris,
> having been through machine shop, and having followed learned
> practices
> way back when, here is a possible solution. No matter how small holes need
> to be, I always start with a small bit and work my up to the size
> I am going
> to end up with. usually three steps does it nicely. Maybe start
> with a 1/8",
> then a 3/16ths, and then the 1/4 inch bit. It is a bit of extra work, but
> the hole seems to align better, and then the last bit does not
> have to work
> so hard, and tends to not go "out of round" so to speak. My two
> cents worth.
> It is a method that has worked well for me for over twenty-five
> years since
> high school. I'm still in the wannabe builder stage. Waiting to see what
> happens with the house up for sale. Take care,
>
> Doug Blackburn
>
> BTW Chris, my wife and were going to go out torwards Utah in
> September, but
> have decided to go up to Oregon. Be nice to maybe stop and buy
> you a cup of
> coffee on our way up the I-5. Let me know. Porbably the third week of
> September. Good luck! DB
>
>
> Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn
> ArrowBear Lake Ca.
> Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca. http://inlandsloperebels.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <catdesigns(at)juno.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Resource
>
>
> >
> > Just thought I would say HI to all of you who did not get to go to
> > Brodhead. I have been having a heck of a time getting my control torque
> > tube built. It's been fun and not really that hard but the alignment of
> > some of the parts could be better. Oh well. One word of warning. I
> > drilled all the holes with my trusty 1/4" bit and as it turns out an AN4
> > bolt (1/4" bolt) fits to sloppy in my 1/4" hole. The control stick had
> > about 1/4" of play as measured at the top of the stick. Not
> good. I was
> > saved by a close tolerance bolt. Fits nice and tight now however at
> > $1.00 each I think I will buy a different 1/4" drill bit. Any guess why
> > the AN4 bolt did not fit tight? Some 1/4" OD brass tubing I had lying
> > around fit nice and tight in the hole and some 1/4" piano wire was
> > slightly too big. Is an AN4 not really 0.25". Maybe its like a 2x4, it
> > started out at 1/4 inch then after it was manufactured it is 0.23" or
> > something.
> >
> > Chris
> > Sacramento, CA
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | clif <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Resource |
I'm with you, ALWAYS start with a small bit and
work up. For one thing, the solid center on a 1/4"
bit is not cutting so much as rubbing its way through
the metal. And, as you say, the smaller bits tend to
center the larger ones. Replace those bits often.
They are not that expensive and you get better holes
easier with them. Another possability is the use of
pilot bits. There are those with a short, small bit in
the center, next a countersink, then a shaft of a
predetermined size, like 3/16 or 1/4. they are double
ended and a couple of inches long.
----- Original Message -----
From: "TWINBOOM" <TWINBOOM(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Resource
>
> Chris,
> having been through machine shop, and having followed learned
practices
> way back when, here is a possible solution. No matter how small holes need
> to be, I always start with a small bit and work my up to the size I am
going
> to end up with. usually three steps does it nicely. Maybe start with a
1/8",
> then a 3/16ths, and then the 1/4 inch bit. It is a bit of extra work, but
> the hole seems to align better, and then the last bit does not have to
work
> so hard, and tends to not go "out of round" so to speak. My two cents
worth.
> It is a method that has worked well for me for over twenty-five years
since
> high school. I'm still in the wannabe builder stage. Waiting to see what
> happens with the house up for sale. Take care,
>
> Doug Blackburn
>
> BTW Chris, my wife and were going to go out torwards Utah in September,
but
> have decided to go up to Oregon. Be nice to maybe stop and buy you a cup
of
> coffee on our way up the I-5. Let me know. Porbably the third week of
> September. Good luck! DB
>
>
> Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn
> ArrowBear Lake Ca.
> Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca. http://inlandsloperebels.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <catdesigns(at)juno.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Resource
>
>
> >
> > Just thought I would say HI to all of you who did not get to go to
> > Brodhead. I have been having a heck of a time getting my control torque
> > tube built. It's been fun and not really that hard but the alignment of
> > some of the parts could be better. Oh well. One word of warning. I
> > drilled all the holes with my trusty 1/4" bit and as it turns out an AN4
> > bolt (1/4" bolt) fits to sloppy in my 1/4" hole. The control stick had
> > about 1/4" of play as measured at the top of the stick. Not good. I
was
> > saved by a close tolerance bolt. Fits nice and tight now however at
> > $1.00 each I think I will buy a different 1/4" drill bit. Any guess why
> > the AN4 bolt did not fit tight? Some 1/4" OD brass tubing I had lying
> > around fit nice and tight in the hole and some 1/4" piano wire was
> > slightly too big. Is an AN4 not really 0.25". Maybe its like a 2x4, it
> > started out at 1/4 inch then after it was manufactured it is 0.23" or
> > something.
> >
> > Chris
> > Sacramento, CA
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Sayre, William G" <william.g.sayre(at)boeing.com> |
| Subject: | New technology Brodhead meet |
One of these times, we should get a computer techie to set up a web-cam at
Brodhead for those of us unable to make it!!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: New technology Brodhead meet |
| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)charter.net> |
I'll take digital pictures this weekend and will post them next week.
>
>
> One of these times, we should get a computer techie to set up a web-cam at
> Brodhead for those of us unable to make it!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walter evans" <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
<"'pietenpol-list-digest(at)matronics.com'"(at)matronics.com>
| Subject: | Re: New technology Brodhead meet |
Thats a GREAT idea! If we can get traffic cams and owl cams and cams to
watch the grass grow, this would be the greatest thing going. For all of us
" stayathomes"
walt
NX140DL
feverisly doing the "loose ends" preparing for the "sometime this year"
inspection.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sayre, William G" <william.g.sayre(at)boeing.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New technology Brodhead meet
>
> One of these times, we should get a computer techie to set up a web-cam at
> Brodhead for those of us unable to make it!!!
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jeffrey Wilcox" <craigwilcox(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Resource |
Chris -
Use a good, two diameter aircraft bit - 0.245 is about it, I think. Then
ream with a 0.25 reamer. a 1/4" bit is just that, and has a bit more play.
Coupled with a wobbly shuck, or slightly off quill feed, it usually
produces a hole just a bit too big.
Craig
----- Original Message -----
From: <catdesigns(at)juno.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Resource
>
> Just thought I would say HI to all of you who did not get to go to
> Brodhead. I have been having a heck of a time getting my control torque
> tube built. It's been fun and not really that hard but the alignment of
> some of the parts could be better. Oh well. One word of warning. I
> drilled all the holes with my trusty 1/4" bit and as it turns out an AN4
> bolt (1/4" bolt) fits to sloppy in my 1/4" hole. The control stick had
> about 1/4" of play as measured at the top of the stick. Not good. I was
> saved by a close tolerance bolt. Fits nice and tight now however at
> $1.00 each I think I will buy a different 1/4" drill bit. Any guess why
> the AN4 bolt did not fit tight? Some 1/4" OD brass tubing I had lying
> around fit nice and tight in the hole and some 1/4" piano wire was
> slightly too big. Is an AN4 not really 0.25". Maybe its like a 2x4, it
> started out at 1/4 inch then after it was manufactured it is 0.23" or
> something.
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Resource |
| From: | catdesigns(at)juno.com |
Tried that. Actually I used every bit I had from 1/16"th up to 1/4" ,
something like 5 or 6 steps. Some how I'm going to see if I can tell if
the drill press is out of round.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
writes:
>
>
> Chris,
> having been through machine shop, and having followed learned
> practices
> way back when, here is a possible solution. No matter how small
> holes need
> to be, I always start with a small bit and work my up to the size I
> am going
> to end up with. usually three steps does it nicely. Maybe start with
> a 1/8",
> then a 3/16ths, and then the 1/4 inch bit. It is a bit of extra
> work, but
> the hole seems to align better, and then the last bit does not have
> to work
> so hard, and tends to not go "out of round" so to speak. My two
> cents worth.
> It is a method that has worked well for me for over twenty-five
> years since
> high school. I'm still in the wannabe builder stage. Waiting to see
> what
> happens with the house up for sale. Take care,
>
> Doug Blackburn
>
> BTW Chris, my wife and were going to go out torwards Utah in
> September, but
> have decided to go up to Oregon. Be nice to maybe stop and buy you a
> cup of
> coffee on our way up the I-5. Let me know. Porbably the third week
> of
> September. Good luck! DB
>
>
> Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn
> ArrowBear Lake Ca.
> Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca. http://inlandsloperebels.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <catdesigns(at)juno.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Resource
>
>
> >
> > Just thought I would say HI to all of you who did not get to go
> to
> > Brodhead. I have been having a heck of a time getting my control
> torque
> > tube built. It's been fun and not really that hard but the
> alignment of
> > some of the parts could be better. Oh well. One word of warning.
> I
> > drilled all the holes with my trusty 1/4" bit and as it turns out
> an AN4
> > bolt (1/4" bolt) fits to sloppy in my 1/4" hole. The control
> stick had
> > about 1/4" of play as measured at the top of the stick. Not good.
> I was
> > saved by a close tolerance bolt. Fits nice and tight now however
> at
> > $1.00 each I think I will buy a different 1/4" drill bit. Any
> guess why
> > the AN4 bolt did not fit tight? Some 1/4" OD brass tubing I had
> lying
> > around fit nice and tight in the hole and some 1/4" piano wire
> was
> > slightly too big. Is an AN4 not really 0.25". Maybe its like a
> 2x4, it
> > started out at 1/4 inch then after it was manufactured it is 0.23"
> or
> > something.
> >
> > Chris
> > Sacramento, CA
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> messages.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Resource |
| From: | catdesigns(at)juno.com |
Where do I get Aircraft size drill bits. I don't care if they cost 20
bucks each. I almost lost 3 month of work because my 1/4" is not
everyone elses 1/4". Now I must admit that I did not actually have a AN4
bolt on hand when I drilled the holes. I knew I should have waited to
test fit but I got in a hurry to see how it would all go together. Shame
on me I knew better.
Just my 1/4 cents worth as they say
Chris
Sacramento, CA
writes:
>
>
> Chris -
> Use a good, two diameter aircraft bit - 0.245 is about it, I think.
> Then
> ream with a 0.25 reamer. a 1/4" bit is just that, and has a bit
> more play.
> Coupled with a wobbly shuck, or slightly off quill feed, it
> usually
> produces a hole just a bit too big.
>
> Craig
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <catdesigns(at)juno.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Resource
>
>
> >
> > Just thought I would say HI to all of you who did not get to go
> to
> > Brodhead. I have been having a heck of a time getting my control
> torque
> > tube built. It's been fun and not really that hard but the
> alignment of
> > some of the parts could be better. Oh well. One word of warning.
> I
> > drilled all the holes with my trusty 1/4" bit and as it turns out
> an AN4
> > bolt (1/4" bolt) fits to sloppy in my 1/4" hole. The control
> stick had
> > about 1/4" of play as measured at the top of the stick. Not good.
> I was
> > saved by a close tolerance bolt. Fits nice and tight now however
> at
> > $1.00 each I think I will buy a different 1/4" drill bit. Any
> guess why
> > the AN4 bolt did not fit tight? Some 1/4" OD brass tubing I had
> lying
> > around fit nice and tight in the hole and some 1/4" piano wire
> was
> > slightly too big. Is an AN4 not really 0.25". Maybe its like a
> 2x4, it
> > started out at 1/4 inch then after it was manufactured it is 0.23"
> or
> > something.
> >
> > Chris
> > Sacramento, CA
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> messages.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Resource |
| From: | catdesigns(at)juno.com |
What is a reamer and where do I get one?
Chris
Sacramento, CA
writes:
>
>
> This is good advice. Also, you should get a reamer if you are going
> to do
> much metal work.
>
> -Gary
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> TWINBOOM
> > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 1:14 AM
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Resource
> >
> >
>
> >
> > Chris,
> > having been through machine shop, and having followed learned
> > practices
> > way back when, here is a possible solution. No matter how small
> holes need
> > to be, I always start with a small bit and work my up to the size
> > I am going
> > to end up with. usually three steps does it nicely. Maybe start
> > with a 1/8",
> > then a 3/16ths, and then the 1/4 inch bit. It is a bit of extra
> work, but
> > the hole seems to align better, and then the last bit does not
> > have to work
> > so hard, and tends to not go "out of round" so to speak. My two
> > cents worth.
> > It is a method that has worked well for me for over twenty-five
> > years since
> > high school. I'm still in the wannabe builder stage. Waiting to
> see what
> > happens with the house up for sale. Take care,
> >
> > Doug Blackburn
> >
> > BTW Chris, my wife and were going to go out torwards Utah in
> > September, but
> > have decided to go up to Oregon. Be nice to maybe stop and buy
> > you a cup of
> > coffee on our way up the I-5. Let me know. Porbably the third week
> of
> > September. Good luck! DB
> >
> >
> > Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn
> > ArrowBear Lake Ca.
> > Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca. http://inlandsloperebels.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <catdesigns(at)juno.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Resource
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Just thought I would say HI to all of you who did not get to go
> to
> > > Brodhead. I have been having a heck of a time getting my
> control torque
> > > tube built. It's been fun and not really that hard but the
> alignment of
> > > some of the parts could be better. Oh well. One word of
> warning. I
> > > drilled all the holes with my trusty 1/4" bit and as it turns
> out an AN4
> > > bolt (1/4" bolt) fits to sloppy in my 1/4" hole. The control
> stick had
> > > about 1/4" of play as measured at the top of the stick. Not
> > good. I was
> > > saved by a close tolerance bolt. Fits nice and tight now
> however at
> > > $1.00 each I think I will buy a different 1/4" drill bit. Any
> guess why
> > > the AN4 bolt did not fit tight? Some 1/4" OD brass tubing I had
> lying
> > > around fit nice and tight in the hole and some 1/4" piano wire
> was
> > > slightly too big. Is an AN4 not really 0.25". Maybe its like a
> 2x4, it
> > > started out at 1/4 inch then after it was manufactured it is
> 0.23" or
> > > something.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > Sacramento, CA
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> messages.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
| Subject: | New technology Brodhead meet |
Please do. -Gary
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of John
> Hofmann
> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 2:12 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New technology Brodhead meet
>
>
> I'll take digital pictures this weekend and will post them next week.
>
> >
> >
> > One of these times, we should get a computer techie to set up a
> web-cam at
> > Brodhead for those of us unable to make it!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com> |
No such thing as aircraft size drill bits, your 1/4 is
the same as everyone elses. if you want to spend some
drill bit money, buy a set of number drills and letter
drills, and they don't have to be aircraft quality or
cobalt or anything else, just good quality High speed
steel, and have somebody show you how to keep them
sharp, I wish I had all of the perfectly good drill
bits that everybody throws away, sharpening is easy
for anybody. they will allow you an infinite number of
sizes to use. also buy a good set of dial or digital
calipers. about $75.00. so you can measure what your
drill bits, holes, and bolts actually are. and like
what has already been posted, drill a few thousands
undersize and then clean it out with the right size.
no need for expensive reamers on something as
crude(relatively speaking) as a pietenpol.
Del
--- catdesigns(at)juno.com wrote:
> catdesigns(at)juno.com
>
> Where do I get Aircraft size drill bits. I don't
> care if they cost 20
> bucks each. I almost lost 3 month of work because
> my 1/4" is not
> everyone elses 1/4". Now I must admit that I did
> not actually have a AN4
> bolt on hand when I drilled the holes. I knew I
> should have waited to
> test fit but I got in a hurry to see how it would
> all go together. Shame
> on me I knew better.
>
> Just my 1/4 cents worth as they say
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
>
> writes:
> Wilcox"
> >
> >
> > Chris -
> > Use a good, two diameter aircraft bit - 0.245 is
> about it, I think.
> > Then
> > ream with a 0.25 reamer. a 1/4" bit is just that,
> and has a bit
> > more play.
> > Coupled with a wobbly shuck, or slightly off
> quill feed, it
> > usually
> > produces a hole just a bit too big.
> >
> > Craig
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <catdesigns(at)juno.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Resource
> >
> >
> catdesigns(at)juno.com
> > >
> > > Just thought I would say HI to all of you who
> did not get to go
> > to
> > > Brodhead. I have been having a heck of a time
> getting my control
> > torque
> > > tube built. It's been fun and not really that
> hard but the
> > alignment of
> > > some of the parts could be better. Oh well.
> One word of warning.
> > I
> > > drilled all the holes with my trusty 1/4" bit
> and as it turns out
> > an AN4
> > > bolt (1/4" bolt) fits to sloppy in my 1/4"
> hole. The control
> > stick had
> > > about 1/4" of play as measured at the top of the
> stick. Not good.
> > I was
> > > saved by a close tolerance bolt. Fits nice and
> tight now however
> > at
> > > $1.00 each I think I will buy a different 1/4"
> drill bit. Any
> > guess why
> > > the AN4 bolt did not fit tight? Some 1/4" OD
> brass tubing I had
> > lying
> > > around fit nice and tight in the hole and some
> 1/4" piano wire
> > was
> > > slightly too big. Is an AN4 not really 0.25".
> Maybe its like a
> > 2x4, it
> > > started out at 1/4 inch then after it was
> manufactured it is 0.23"
> > or
> > > something.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > Sacramento, CA
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > messages.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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| From: | del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com> |
Just one more thing to add, if your drill bit is
oversize a little, put it in the drill press and turn
it on high speed, wrap a long strip of med grit
sandpaper around it just holding the ends of the long
strip and move it up and down the bit evenly to reduce
the diameter by a few thousands. measure it with your
new calipers to see how much your taking off. or drill
a hole with it. just make one loop around the back
side of the drill bit so it doesn't grab the paper and
pull your fingers into the bit. the paper should be
6-8 inches long or longer.
Del
--- del magsam wrote:
>
>
> No such thing as aircraft size drill bits, your 1/4
> is
> the same as everyone elses. if you want to spend
> some
> drill bit money, buy a set of number drills and
> letter
> drills, and they don't have to be aircraft quality
> or
> cobalt or anything else, just good quality High
> speed
> steel, and have somebody show you how to keep them
> sharp, I wish I had all of the perfectly good drill
> bits that everybody throws away, sharpening is easy
> for anybody. they will allow you an infinite number
> of
> sizes to use. also buy a good set of dial or digital
> calipers. about $75.00. so you can measure what your
> drill bits, holes, and bolts actually are. and like
> what has already been posted, drill a few thousands
> undersize and then clean it out with the right size.
> no need for expensive reamers on something as
> crude(relatively speaking) as a pietenpol.
> Del
http://health.yahoo.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Borodent(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Resource |
Piet Builders
I'm just getting ready to cut and assemble the torque tube.
Last week someone was explaining that the actually 2 in pullys are a little
wider then plans. So I got the pullys first. I had no notion of the 1/4 in
drill and bolt fit trouble just reported on-- I would have naively just
grabed a 1/4 in drill in haste and regretted it at leisure. So thanks for
the tips
Henry Williams
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | clif <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: New technology Brodhead meet |
Now you're talkin!
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hofmann" <jhofmann(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New technology Brodhead meet
>
> I'll take digital pictures this weekend and will post them next week.
>
> >
> >
> > One of these times, we should get a computer techie to set up a web-cam
at
> > Brodhead for those of us unable to make it!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Laid low en route to Brodhead |
Gang,
Well, Gene Rambo & I were going to drive up to Brodhead & be there today
(Sat.), but instead I had to take a major detour to the ER & wound up going
into surgery to have a stubborn kidney stone yanked out. I'm much better,
aside from being really disappointed to have missed this years' fly-in. I
hope Gene decided to go up without me; haven't been in touch with him since
I let him know that I was not going to make it.
See you all next year for sure!
Kip Gardner
426 Schneider St. SE
North Canton, OH 44720
(330) 494-1775
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
| Subject: | Laid low en route to Brodhead |
Get well Kip. -Gary McNeel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kip &
> Beth Gardner
> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 6:48 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Laid low en route to Brodhead
>
>
>
>
> Gang,
>
> Well, Gene Rambo & I were going to drive up to Brodhead & be there today
> (Sat.), but instead I had to take a major detour to the ER &
> wound up going
> into surgery to have a stubborn kidney stone yanked out. I'm much better,
> aside from being really disappointed to have missed this years' fly-in. I
> hope Gene decided to go up without me; haven't been in touch with
> him since
> I let him know that I was not going to make it.
>
> See you all next year for sure!
>
> Kip Gardner
>
>
> 426 Schneider St. SE
> North Canton, OH 44720
> (330) 494-1775
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "skycarl" <skycarl(at)megsinet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Resource |
Chris, You can make a hand reamer out of drill rod. (in this case a 1/4
rod )
a six inch piece should do. Grind the end down on an angle untill there is
about
1/3 left. ( like a half moon at the end ). Square off the other end soit
will fit a tap wrench. Hone the end sharp. I use water hardened rod as it is
easiler to retemper.
If the metal discolored while grinding, you can retemper by heating the end
till it's
cherry red and quenching in water. ( Just the end area ). Then, reheat
untill it turns a
straw color and quench again. This is the same technique used for lathe
tools.
These are good for slow turning only as in hand turning, slow speed lathe or
mill.
Last thing, always step drill your holes. Hope this helps.
Carl L.
----- Original Message -----
From: <catdesigns(at)juno.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Resource
>
> What is a reamer and where do I get one?
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> writes:
> >
> >
> > This is good advice. Also, you should get a reamer if you are going
> > to do
> > much metal work.
> >
> > -Gary
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> > TWINBOOM
> > > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 1:14 AM
> > > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Resource
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > Chris,
> > > having been through machine shop, and having followed learned
> > > practices
> > > way back when, here is a possible solution. No matter how small
> > holes need
> > > to be, I always start with a small bit and work my up to the size
> > > I am going
> > > to end up with. usually three steps does it nicely. Maybe start
> > > with a 1/8",
> > > then a 3/16ths, and then the 1/4 inch bit. It is a bit of extra
> > work, but
> > > the hole seems to align better, and then the last bit does not
> > > have to work
> > > so hard, and tends to not go "out of round" so to speak. My two
> > > cents worth.
> > > It is a method that has worked well for me for over twenty-five
> > > years since
> > > high school. I'm still in the wannabe builder stage. Waiting to
> > see what
> > > happens with the house up for sale. Take care,
> > >
> > > Doug Blackburn
> > >
> > > BTW Chris, my wife and were going to go out torwards Utah in
> > > September, but
> > > have decided to go up to Oregon. Be nice to maybe stop and buy
> > > you a cup of
> > > coffee on our way up the I-5. Let me know. Porbably the third week
> > of
> > > September. Good luck! DB
> > >
> > >
> > > Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn
> > > ArrowBear Lake Ca.
> > > Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca. http://inlandsloperebels.com
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <catdesigns(at)juno.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Resource
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Just thought I would say HI to all of you who did not get to go
> > to
> > > > Brodhead. I have been having a heck of a time getting my
> > control torque
> > > > tube built. It's been fun and not really that hard but the
> > alignment of
> > > > some of the parts could be better. Oh well. One word of
> > warning. I
> > > > drilled all the holes with my trusty 1/4" bit and as it turns
> > out an AN4
> > > > bolt (1/4" bolt) fits to sloppy in my 1/4" hole. The control
> > stick had
> > > > about 1/4" of play as measured at the top of the stick. Not
> > > good. I was
> > > > saved by a close tolerance bolt. Fits nice and tight now
> > however at
> > > > $1.00 each I think I will buy a different 1/4" drill bit. Any
> > guess why
> > > > the AN4 bolt did not fit tight? Some 1/4" OD brass tubing I had
> > lying
> > > > around fit nice and tight in the hole and some 1/4" piano wire
> > was
> > > > slightly too big. Is an AN4 not really 0.25". Maybe its like a
> > 2x4, it
> > > > started out at 1/4 inch then after it was manufactured it is
> > 0.23" or
> > > > something.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > > Sacramento, CA
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > messages.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
Hello List,
As I am sitting around recovering from my kidney stone episode, I'm putting
together an order to AS&S. I need to order capstrip for ribs & was
wondering what is the minimum length I should get? I measured the top of my
jig template and came up right at about 5ft, plus or minus 1/4". Is it too
nitpicky to specify some thing like "not less than 5ft2in long"? Some time
ago Walt Evans sent me a wood list & it looks like it takes ~500ft. of
capstrip to make a set of ribs. Is AS&S pretty good about sending stock of
specific length for stuff like this?
Thanks!
Kip Gardner (who would MUCH rather be swapping lies at Brodhead today)
426 Schneider St. SE
North Canton, OH 44720
(330) 494-1775
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Gower <ggower_99(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | First mexican airplane that north of Alaska... |
Hello friends,
One member (Miguel Ramirez) from our club, succesfully
made it two ways to Alazka with his Kitfox.
We are very proud, this event is something important
for our aviation here in Mexico.
You can take a look to our clubs page.
http://www.ultraligeros.com.mx/
There also in the aerophotos section, you can see "La
Bamba", Also you can see a photo of myself , I have a
blue and white strips shirt in the lowest right set of
photos...
Saludos
Gary Gower
PS Good news about aviation is always welcome in the
News!
Saludos
Gary Gower
http://health.yahoo.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DJ Vegh" <aircamper(at)imagedv.com> |
5'2" is pushing it. It's better to have them cut at 6'. I ordered 100
sticks of 6'. The falloff will be used for making the rib trusswork.
DJ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip &
Beth Gardner
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Capstrip length
-->
Hello List,
As I am sitting around recovering from my kidney stone episode, I'm
putting together an order to AS&S. I need to order capstrip for ribs &
was wondering what is the minimum length I should get? I measured the
top of my jig template and came up right at about 5ft, plus or minus
1/4". Is it too nitpicky to specify some thing like "not less than
5ft2in long"? Some time ago Walt Evans sent me a wood list & it looks
like it takes ~500ft. of capstrip to make a set of ribs. Is AS&S pretty
good about sending stock of specific length for stuff like this?
Thanks!
Kip Gardner (who would MUCH rather be swapping lies at Brodhead today)
426 Schneider St. SE
North Canton, OH 44720
(330) 494-1775
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| From: | "walter evans" <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Capstrip length |
Kip,
I looked over my old order from AS&S and it didn't seem to call out the
exact length of the strips. I had no problem with the strips. Seemed to
have an inch or two left over (tops a little longer than the bottom) They
seem to know, and the wood quality and quantity was excellent. If I
remember right there is a whole separate dept that handles the spruce, give
them a call, I'm sure if there is an order at stake, they'll be glad to
answer as few questions.
If the owner is responsible for training the phone people, then my hat's off
to him. Cause they all seem to come out of the same mold.
Finishing second project now and got most of my stuff from AS&S, and haven't
been burnt yet.
walt
NX140DL
You can make ribs even in bed, or your favorite "Lazy Boy" recliner
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kip & Beth Gardner" <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Capstrip length
>
> Hello List,
>
> As I am sitting around recovering from my kidney stone episode, I'm
putting
> together an order to AS&S. I need to order capstrip for ribs & was
> wondering what is the minimum length I should get? I measured the top of
my
> jig template and came up right at about 5ft, plus or minus 1/4". Is it too
> nitpicky to specify some thing like "not less than 5ft2in long"? Some time
> ago Walt Evans sent me a wood list & it looks like it takes ~500ft. of
> capstrip to make a set of ribs. Is AS&S pretty good about sending stock of
> specific length for stuff like this?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kip Gardner (who would MUCH rather be swapping lies at Brodhead today)
>
> 426 Schneider St. SE
> North Canton, OH 44720
> (330) 494-1775
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jeffery lorimor" <jlorimor(at)willinet.net> |
Listers-
for top quality aircraft tools check out Cleaveland Aircraft Tools.
They handle only the best. I putzed along for 8 year building my RV and
finally broke down the last year (9th one) and bought a full set of
bits...duh!! Why didn't I do it years sooner? There's nothing nicer
than having the right size bits for both the pilot hole and the final
one. Cleaveland has lots of good tools. There website is
http://www.cleavelandtool.com/ or see them at Oshkosh next week.
Jeff Lorimor
RV-6 and Piet ribs and tailfeathers almost??? done
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
Here is what I order from AS&S:
Ribs Number Ft. Size Cost AS Part # Total
Top Pieces 32 6 1/4x1/2 $0.23Ft 02-1412 $44.16
Bottom Pieces 32 5 1/4x1/2 $0.23Ft 02-1412 $36.80
Braces 32 5 1/4x1/2 $0.23Ft 02-1412 $36.80
I think I will have some (a bunch) left over.
Gary McNeel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kip &
> Beth Gardner
> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 3:27 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Capstrip length
>
>
>
>
> Hello List,
>
> As I am sitting around recovering from my kidney stone episode,
> I'm putting
> together an order to AS&S. I need to order capstrip for ribs & was
> wondering what is the minimum length I should get? I measured the
> top of my
> jig template and came up right at about 5ft, plus or minus 1/4". Is it too
> nitpicky to specify some thing like "not less than 5ft2in long"? Some time
> ago Walt Evans sent me a wood list & it looks like it takes ~500ft. of
> capstrip to make a set of ribs. Is AS&S pretty good about sending stock of
> specific length for stuff like this?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kip Gardner (who would MUCH rather be swapping lies at Brodhead today)
>
> 426 Schneider St. SE
> North Canton, OH 44720
> (330) 494-1775
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Allen" <GeorgeA(at)paonline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Capstrip length |
Kip, I sent for 500 ft. of 1/4 by 1/2 cap strip from AS&S and received 90
pieces of strip. They all are over 6 ft. long. They charged for 500 ft. I
just told them it's for a Pietenpol. Beautiful wood.
Good luck.
George Allen
Harrisburg, PA
GeorgeA(at)PAonline.com
(Peitenpol builder)
(ribs, HS, & Elevator done)
> Walt Evans sent me a wood list & it looks like it takes ~500ft. of
> capstrip to make a set of ribs. Is AS&S pretty good about sending stock of
> specific length for stuff like this?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kip Gardner (who would MUCH rather be swapping lies at Brodhead today)
>
> 426 Schneider St. SE
> North Canton, OH 44720
> (330) 494-1775
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Waytogopiet(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: First mexican airplane that north of Alaska... |
In a message dated 7/20/2002 4:23:24 PM Central Standard Time,
ggower_99(at)yahoo.com writes:
> ", Also you can see a photo of myself , I have a
> blue and white strips shirt in the lowest right set of
> photos...
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower
>
Gary...Thanks for sharing the great photos. You're a handsome dude Senor
Gower!!!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979(at)naples.net> |
| Subject: | Rib spacing question |
I have a question for those who have gone before. Bernie has the ribs
spaced from 11" to 12.5" so spacing anywhere between those numbers wouldn't
seem to be critical from an airworthyness aspect.
I have set up my spars and laid out the ribs where he says they should be.
I am now installing a string where the drag wires would go to see if they
contact any ribs. They do. So, I was going to move some ribs - maybe 1/2"
this way or 1/2" that way - so the wires don't rub on any rib parts.
Am I painting myself into a corner that I can't see at this point? This is
one part I really don't want to build twice. Little ones are too bad,
but....
Ted
wishing he was as far along as Corky
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walter evans" <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib spacing question |
Ted,
You know, I saw that issue when I first looked at the prints before
starting to build, but thought it was too far down the road to worry about.
I built the wing exactly to the print. ( take note of where the dimension
lines measure to [which side of the rib]). It was amazing, that when
putting in the wires, not one touched. It was said in this group along time
ago, that no one realizes how much thought Bernard P. put into these prints.
When in doubt, rely on the prints.
walt
NX140DL
SOON? inspection
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979(at)naples.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib spacing question
>
> I have a question for those who have gone before. Bernie has the ribs
> spaced from 11" to 12.5" so spacing anywhere between those numbers
wouldn't
> seem to be critical from an airworthyness aspect.
>
> I have set up my spars and laid out the ribs where he says they should be.
> I am now installing a string where the drag wires would go to see if they
> contact any ribs. They do. So, I was going to move some ribs - maybe
1/2"
> this way or 1/2" that way - so the wires don't rub on any rib parts.
>
> Am I painting myself into a corner that I can't see at this point? This
is
> one part I really don't want to build twice. Little ones are too bad,
> but....
>
> Ted
> wishing he was as far along as Corky
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Navratril" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib spacing question |
Hi Ted
I followed the plan exactly. The drag - anti-drag wires are sometimes close
or even touch a rib but on mine it was never a problem.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979(at)naples.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib spacing question
>
> I have a question for those who have gone before. Bernie has the ribs
> spaced from 11" to 12.5" so spacing anywhere between those numbers
wouldn't
> seem to be critical from an airworthyness aspect.
>
> I have set up my spars and laid out the ribs where he says they should be.
> I am now installing a string where the drag wires would go to see if they
> contact any ribs. They do. So, I was going to move some ribs - maybe
1/2"
> this way or 1/2" that way - so the wires don't rub on any rib parts.
>
> Am I painting myself into a corner that I can't see at this point? This
is
> one part I really don't want to build twice. Little ones are too bad,
> but....
>
> Ted
> wishing he was as far along as Corky
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Rib spacing question |
Ted,
It's along time ago that I did my wings, but I don't remember
many ribs interfering with the drag/antidrag wires. Perhaps
a couple on each wing where I moved the rib slightly to gain
about 1/4" clearance---as you were planning to do. I could
look at photos and find which ribs needed slight shifting, but
your wings could be different from mine.
I would suggest that you assemble the ribs on the spars with-
out fastening them in place. Tighten the drag truss wires and
trammel the wings. Then check your rib-to-drag wire situation
with the ribs in their proper location.
If you have to move a rib slightly, don't worry about it. Some
even cut out a small section of rib diagonal and glue a piece
of rib stock to it to restore continuity and strength in that mem-
ber. This generally allows the rib to be placed in the position
shown in the plans, or very close to it.
Graham
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Waytogopiet(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rib spacing question |
Ted...I moved mine just enough to clear those that were interfering. Caused
no problems and is virtually unnoticeable after cover and paint.
Don
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jackphillips(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Rib spacing question |
Ted,
You are doing it exactly right. I followed BHP's spacing exactly and have
had to trim some spacing on a few uprights to clear the drag and antidrag
wires. Then I noticed when helping my brother re-cover his Citabria that
they shifted some ribs as much as 2" to clear the wires. Just do what
you've gotta do.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted
Brousseau
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib spacing question
I have a question for those who have gone before. Bernie has the ribs
spaced from 11" to 12.5" so spacing anywhere between those numbers wouldn't
seem to be critical from an airworthyness aspect.
I have set up my spars and laid out the ribs where he says they should be.
I am now installing a string where the drag wires would go to see if they
contact any ribs. They do. So, I was going to move some ribs - maybe 1/2"
this way or 1/2" that way - so the wires don't rub on any rib parts.
Am I painting myself into a corner that I can't see at this point? This is
one part I really don't want to build twice. Little ones are too bad,
but....
Ted
wishing he was as far along as Corky
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bert Conoly" <bconoly(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib spacing question |
Ted,
I'm exactly where you are. I've spaced mine out and run a string as well.
Most of the ribs are spaced ok. I figure it's no big deal to move them left
or right a bit to clear the cables (drag wires) If you have to you can take
a dremel tool and grind the corner of a rib diagonal or vertical just a bit
too to give a little clearance. You only really need about 3/16 to1/4 inch
clearance anyway.
Just my two cents.
Sorry I missed you in Tallahassee last week. Job emergencies. Give me a
call.
See You.
Bert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979(at)naples.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib spacing question
>
> I have a question for those who have gone before. Bernie has the ribs
> spaced from 11" to 12.5" so spacing anywhere between those numbers
wouldn't
> seem to be critical from an airworthyness aspect.
>
> I have set up my spars and laid out the ribs where he says they should be.
> I am now installing a string where the drag wires would go to see if they
> contact any ribs. They do. So, I was going to move some ribs - maybe
1/2"
> this way or 1/2" that way - so the wires don't rub on any rib parts.
>
> Am I painting myself into a corner that I can't see at this point? This
is
> one part I really don't want to build twice. Little ones are too bad,
> but....
>
> Ted
> wishing he was as far along as Corky
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Resource |
Chris,
I've a bunch of 1/4 in AN oversize. Send me your needed lengths and I'll send
some to you.
Corky in La with his everfaithful bride Isabelle
________________________________________________________________________________
In reply to some wing questions, here is some of the electronic notes I've
kept when building my wing:
The ribs will now be referred to as 'L1'- Left 1st rib. 'R1' - Right
1st rib. There are 14 ribs on each side. The center rib will be referred
to as 'C'.
Build the rib jig, so that the gussets and the upright x next to the
spars, are spaced 28 1/16" to 28 1/8" apart, using 3/4" opening for the spar.
This should be the exact dimention between the spars, with the exception of
the 3 center ribs, and the outboard ribs (one each side) where the struts
attach. These locations have 1/8" plywood doublers on each side of the 3/4"
spar. These 5 ribs need a 1" opening.
I installed my ribs in the plans locations. In the areas where the drag
/ anti-drag cables touched some of the ribs, I noched them a little, and
added a 1/2 X 1/4 doubler on the other side, to regain the strength. I think
there were 3 or 4 places.
Leave the gussets off in 2 locations, on each rib. On the lower forward
side of the front spar, and on the aft upper side of the aft spar. This
would allow the ribs to slide on the spars much easier. Install these
gussets after the ribs have been assembled to the spars. This will ensure a
nice tight fit.
Other gussets to be left off are on the ribs at the inboard aileron
station. On this rib, leave the outboard (trailing edge) gusset off, for
the later installation of the aileron blank plywood (1/16").
On my wing, in the center section of the wing, forward of the front spar,
is designed so as to allow the top of the radiator to be within the wing.
Two 1/8" plywood L.E. ribs, are spaced evenly between, and paralell to, R1
and L1. These ribs will accept the 1/16" plywood L.E. (on top), and the
1/32" plywood (within the radiator cavity).
Hinges are numbered 1 thru 6, beginning on the left wing tip.
Lots of places on the wing needed to be drilled using Granpap's hand
crank drill (chordless !!), because of clearance reasons.
Cable guide blocks were numbered 1 thru 8, starting at the top left.
Jury strut center line is 37" outboard of center line of cabane strut
attachments. I estimated the placement of the jury strut attachments by
referring to the picture of the Pietenpol on the 1999 I A M Union Calender.
The 1/8" Plywood doublers on the spars, located at the center section and
the lift strut attachments, should have Spaded Ends (football shaped). These
doublers bring the width of the spar to the plans width of 1", and allow the
plans dimentions to be used for all the fittings.
The ribs were weighted, without varnish, and the heaviest ones were
installed inboard, progressively installing the lighter ones toward the
wingips. The two inboard ribs are the only ones that are made out of Spruce,
the rest of the ribs are made out of Western Cedar.
LEFT SIDE RIGHT SIDE
1.) 7.24 oz Spruce 1.) 7.4 oz Spruce
2.) 7.8 oz All other ribs are Cedar 2.) 7.96 oz All other ribs
are Cedar
3.) 7.91 oz 3.) 7.93 oz
4.) 7.5 oz 4.) 7.91 oz
5.) 6.58 oz 5.) 6.56 oz
6.) 7.94 oz 6.) 6.34 oz
7.) 6.4 oz 7.) 6.44 oz
8.) 7.93 oz 8.) 6.4 oz
9.) 6.44 oz 9.) 6.3 oz
10.) 6.34 oz 10.) 6.25 oz
11.) 6.29 oz 11.) 6.2 oz
12.) 6.22 oz 12.) 6.17 oz
13.) 6.15 oz 13.) 6.14 oz
14.) 6.1 oz 14.) 6.09 oz
Chuck Gantzer
Wichita, KS
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler."
~~ Albert Einstein ~~
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael Conkling" <hpvs(at)southwind.net> |
| Subject: | Re: New technology Brodhead meet |
Hi all!
I hope John's pictures show a few "wilted" Piet folks!! ;-) Temp & humidity
were definitely up & little or no breeze thru the tent at night!
Same conditions when I got home tonight -- only add a 15 mph south wind!!
Mike C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hofmann" <jhofmann(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New technology Brodhead meet
>
> I'll take digital pictures this weekend and will post them next week.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
A big thank you to the people of Brodhead who exhibited real southern
hospitality last Friday and Sat. Isabelle and I enjoyed our visit, meeting
friends we'd met on the internet and new friends we met while strolling.
Hopefully we can repeat this nice visit annually.
Sunday afternoon we lifted off Madison airport about 1530. I had a port side
window seat and after a few minutes I looked down and there it was. BRODHEAD.
Only one plane on the tarmac. It was completely deserted. Good memories.
Corky and Isabelle back in La after having her completely reyankeeized. She
even wanted to bring back a bushel of corn.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | flyboy_120(at)webtv.net (Ed G.) |
| Subject: | Lou Larsen's addy |
Hi all I met lou Larsen ( sp?) from Taveres Fl. breifly at Brodhead ,
I was distracted by another gentleman's Franklin engine questions and
when I turned around Lou was gone. I would like to drive out to see his
plane, does ayone out there have his E-mail address??
Brodhead was great!!! I met a lot of great people but unfortunately
missed some that I wanted to meet from the list.Got to see a Piet fly
for the time, The antique stuff in the hangers alone was worth the trip
And I got to meet Corky
and Isabelle! Hope to go back next year.
Ed G.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Waytogopiet(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Lou Larsen's addy |
Ed....go to pietlars(at)earthlink.com Don Hicks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms(at)msn.com> |
What in the world happened to the premier Pietenpol event of the universe???
I counted exactly FOUR Piets that flew in for the reunion. What
a disappointment! In years past I have counted as many as thirteen on the field.
Jim Kinsella and I met at Indy and flew up together, Ken Perkins came in from
KS and Lowell Frank came in from MN. I was able to meet a few guys from the
list but even that was pretty sparse. I assure you who attended for the first
time this year that it was definitely NOT a typical Pietenpol reunion!
Don't know what the excuses were. Weather? Mechanical problems? "saving" themselves
for OSH (boy, I hope that's not the reason)? Burn-out? It's just surprising
that all the regulars were absent as a group. Is there a political side
to this? was it a boycott? Or maybe they found out that there was not going
to be any sweet corn at the dinner Friday night!
Anyway, for those that attended, lots of info got passed and lots of ideas
were presented. There were the "experts" who pointed out glaring errors in others'
construction and the really newbies that were wide-eyed
at seeing a real live Piet for the first time. Many with a project in the garage
were just glad to look at someones airplane to find out how they
solved the little problems that always come up. Kodak made some bucks and those
in attendance went home happy. Of course the rides and seminars were big hits.
The chapter did it's usual great job and things went smoothly as always. Lots
of old timers and lots of new timers but not many Piets........ h-m-m-m-m-m
what can we do to up the participation next year???
Larry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu> |
"Pietenpol-List Digest Server"
Sorry to hear there were so few peits on the grass. I imagine that one
of the problems might be the change of date since lots of folks like to
get both Brodhead and Oshkosh in the same trip, I was going to make a
mad dash from Utah this year in the Nissan, but we had car troubles that
would have stranded my wife, and work schedule that kept me through an
entire day. I'm planning to be there next year since it is the 75th
anniversary of the pietenpol, No one has mentioned it yet, but that
should be publicized and pushed as a great time to have another grand
peitenpol event!
Steve E.
-----Original Message-----
From: LAWRENCE WILLIAMS [mailto:lnawms(at)msn.com]
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2002
What in the world happened to the premier Pietenpol event of the
universe??? I counted exactly FOUR Piets that flew in for the reunion. What
a disappointment! In years past I have counted as many as thirteen on
the field.
Jim Kinsella and I met at Indy and flew up together, Ken Perkins
came in from KS and Lowell Frank came in from MN. I was able to meet a few
guys from the list but even that was pretty sparse. I assure you who
attended for the first time this year that it was definitely NOT a typical
Pietenpol reunion!
Don't know what the excuses were. Weather? Mechanical problems?
"saving" themselves for OSH (boy, I hope that's not the reason)? Burn-out?
It's just surprising that all the regulars were absent as a group. Is
there a political side to this? was it a boycott? Or maybe they found out
that there was not going to be any sweet corn at the dinner Friday night!
Anyway, for those that attended, lots of info got passed and lots
of ideas were presented. There were the "experts" who pointed out glaring
errors in others' construction and the really newbies that were wide-eyed
at seeing a real live Piet for the first time. Many with a project in
the garage were just glad to look at someones airplane to find out how they
solved the little problems that always come up. Kodak made some bucks
and those in attendance went home happy. Of course the rides and seminars
were big hits. The chapter did it's usual great job and things went
smoothly as always. Lots of old timers and lots of new timers but not many
Piets........ h-m-m-m-m-m what can we do to up the participation next
year???
Larry
=
=
=
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list
=
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Sayre, William G" <william.g.sayre(at)boeing.com> |
What in the world happened to the premier Pietenpol event of the
universe??? I counted exactly FOUR Piets that flew in for the reunion. What
a disappointment! In years past I have counted as many as thirteen on the
field.
I am pretty much a "lurker" on this board, and I used to attend Brodhead in
years past when there were as many as thirteen Piets on the field and no one
had to camp on the west side. For me the scheduling is probably the cause
for not attending. In the past a person had to decide which was important
to them - Brodhead or Oshkosh. Now, as someone mentioned, you can attend
both. I was all set to fly out but got wind of a flight of an estimated 20
aircraft flying together from Calf. to Brodhead. That's just one flight
from one area. In the past you had to be pretty dedicated to miss Oshkosh.
I'm probably just turning into one of those old f*rts that long for the old
days, but I fear Brodhead might become a convenient resting spot for those
attending Oshkosh. Heck, I was going to feel funny flying in with a Stinson
instead of a Piet but I figured that I've attended by car, and motorcycle
numerous times, why not an airplane before the Piet?
Anyway, you really can't spoil an event with the type of people on this
board and the type I've found usually involved with the Piet. Anyone make
it into town to check out what's happening at the machine-shop? Sorry for
the rambling. I must be getting old. Did I say that out-loud?
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
To a Pieter out there,
Would the nice guy Isabelle and I met on Sat morning from Peoria please give
me an identity call directly. Thanks. I only remember you as Bill, I think.
Corky in La with the worst memory in the 48's.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)startribune.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2002 |
The Pietenpol turn-out was lower than usual but seeing your georgeous
yellow
Air Camper made the trip worthwhile.
Let's see what else made the journey memorable:
Getting re-aquainted with or putting faces to the names on the list such
as-
You (Larry Williams), Jim Kinsella, Ed and Joyce Grentzer, Lou Larsen,
Randy Bush, Jim Markle, Corky and Isabella, Leon Stephan, Doc Mosher,
Dale Johnson, Dick Navratil, Skip Gadd, Tom Brant, Bruce McCutcheon,
Marv Haavisto, John from Nova Scotia and the gentleman from Winnipeg
whose name I missed....
Meeting Mike and Dave Slaughter from the UK and discussing differences
between PFA, EAA and FAA. (Boy do we have it nice!).....
Spending time with Bob Whittier discussing everything from his early
rides in a Curtiss Condor to the proper grain direction of the face
plies in the shear webs of built up spars to Wisconsin water towers and
the current direction EAA is headed...
Exploring the hangars on the South side of the airport and finding an
early example of homebuilding that used steel strap fittings hacked out
of sheet with a chisel that were pinned to the longerons with nails and
steel fence posts bolted in as diagonal bracing......
Al Kelch and Denny Trone's, too numerous to count, restorations and
oddities.....
Fireflies dancing across the airport at night....
Sharing pictures and catching up on everyone else's projects......
Expect more planes next year.
It was wonderful.
Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis
>>> lnawms(at)msn.com 07/23/02 03:23PM >>>
What in the world happened to the premier Pietenpol event of the
universe??? I counted exactly FOUR Piets that flew in for the reunion. What
a disappointment! In years past I have counted as many as thirteen on
thefield.
Jim Kinsella and I met at Indy and flew up together, Ken Perkins
came in from KS and Lowell Frank came in from MN. I was able to meet a few
guys from the list but even that was pretty sparse. I assure you who
attended for the first time this year that it was definitely NOT a typical
Pietenpol reunion!
Don't know what the excuses were. Weather? Mechanical problems?
"saving" themselves for OSH (boy, I hope that's not the reason)? Burn-out?
It's just surprising that all the regulars were absent as a group. Is
therea political side to this? was it a boycott? Or maybe they found out
thatthere was not going to be any sweet corn at the dinner Friday night!
Anyway, for those that attended, lots of info got passed and lots
ofideas were presented. There were the "experts" who pointed out glaring
errors in others' construction and the really newbies that were wide-eyed
at seeing a real live Piet for the first time. Many with a project in
thegarage were just glad to look at someones airplane to find out how they
solved the little problems that always come up. Kodak made some bucks
andthose in attendance went home happy. Of course the rides and seminars
were big hits. The chapter did it's usual great job and things went
smoothly as always. Lots of old timers and lots of new timers but not many
Piets........ h-m-m-m-m-m what can we do to up the participation next
year???
Larry
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
"Pietenpol-List Digest Server"
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2002 |
I have attended for four years and I almost cried when the date was changed
last year. Five of us good ol boys from Atlanta, make the trip to Oshkosh
each year and the highlight of the trip is Brodhead on Saturday. Now we only
attend Oshkosh, just can't spare the extra days between Osh and Brod. I vote
for changing the date as it was originally and sit back and watch the crowd
swell back up. We are building 3 piets and are planning to fly them up (to
Osk) when completed. I hope we can include Brodhead also.
Got to go now (heading north for cheese country)
Barry Davis
--- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2002
>
> Sorry to hear there were so few peits on the grass. I imagine that one
> of the problems might be the change of date since lots of folks like to
> get both Brodhead and Oshkosh in the same trip, I was going to make a
> mad dash from Utah this year in the Nissan, but we had car troubles that
> would have stranded my wife, and work schedule that kept me through an
> entire day. I'm planning to be there next year since it is the 75th
> anniversary of the pietenpol, No one has mentioned it yet, but that
> should be publicized and pushed as a great time to have another grand
> peitenpol event!
>
> Steve E.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LAWRENCE WILLIAMS [mailto:lnawms(at)msn.com]
> To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2002
>
>
>
> What in the world happened to the premier Pietenpol event of the
> uni> verse??? I counted exactly FOUR Piets that flew in for the reunion. What
> a disappointment! In years past I have counted as many as thirteen on
> the> field.
>
> Jim Kinsella and I met at Indy and flew up together, Ken Perkins
> cam> e in from KS and Lowell Frank came in from MN. I was able to meet a few
> g> uys from the list but even that was pretty sparse. I assure you who
> atten> ded for the first time this year that it was definitely NOT a typical
> Pie> tenpol reunion!
>
> Don't know what the excuses were. Weather? Mechanical problems?
> "sav> ing" themselves for OSH (boy, I hope that's not the reason)? Burn-out?
> It> 's just surprising that all the regulars were absent as a group. Is
> there> a political side to this? was it a boycott? Or maybe they found out
> that> there was not going to be any sweet corn at the dinner Friday night!
>
> Anyway, for those that attended, lots of info got passed and lots
> of> ideas were presented. There were the "experts" who pointed out glaring
> e> rrors in others' construction and the really newbies that were wide-eyed
> at seeing a real live Piet for the first time. Many with a project in
> the> garage were just glad to look at someones airplane to find out how they
> solved the little problems that always come up. Kodak made some bucks
> and> those in attendance went home happy. Of course the rides and seminars
> w> ere big hits. The chapter did it's usual great job and things went
> smooth> ly as always. Lots of old timers and lots of new timers but not many
> Piet> s........ h-m-m-m-m-m what can we do to up the participation next
> year???
>
> Larry
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kent Hallsten" <KHallsten(at)governair.com> |
Moving to the same time as Osh gets my vote, if it matters. If Brodhead and Osh
were the same time I would definitely make the trip and use up some vacation
time. But I get 2 weeks, and most of that is for the family trips. Unfortunately
not everyone in my family appreciates the same things in life I do, so I sacrifice.
But next year I'll make one or the other.
By the way, are there any pictures that can get on the web so "we-who-stayed-behind"
can share the fun?
Kent
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Davis [mailto:bed(at)mindspring.com]
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2002
I have attended for four years and I almost cried when the date was changed
last year. Five of us good ol boys from Atlanta, make the trip to Oshkosh
each year and the highlight of the trip is Brodhead on Saturday. Now we only
attend Oshkosh, just can't spare the extra days between Osh and Brod. I vote
for changing the date as it was originally and sit back and watch the crowd
swell back up. We are building 3 piets and are planning to fly them up (to
Osk) when completed. I hope we can include Brodhead also.
Got to go now (heading north for cheese country)
Barry Davis
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)startribune.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2002 |
Getting re-aquainted with or putting faces to the names on the list such
as-
You (Larry Williams), Jim Kinsella, Ed and Joyce Grentzer, Lou Larsen,
Randy Bush, Jim Markle, Corky and Isabella, Leon Stephan, Doc Mosher,
Dale Johnson, Dick Navratil, Skip Gadd, Tom Brant, Bruce McCutcheon,
Marv Haavisto, John from Nova Scotia and the gentleman from Winnipeg
whose name I missed....
And I don't want to forget Kirk and Laura Huizinga and Mike Botsford....
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | A different kind of clamp |
| From: | "Kent Hallsten" <KHallsten(at)governair.com> |
Has anyone seen this type of clamp? After checking out the link, go to the home
page and see a different use for heat-shrink dacron fabric. And to think I
thought it was just for airplanes!
http://www.geodesicairoliteboats.com/clampit.html
Kent
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gene Rambo" <rambog(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2002 |
geez, and I worked my butt off to try to meet everyone from the list! Guess
I missed another one.
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)startribune.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2002
>
> Getting re-aquainted with or putting faces to the names on the list such
> as-
> You (Larry Williams), Jim Kinsella, Ed and Joyce Grentzer, Lou Larsen,
> Randy Bush, Jim Markle, Corky and Isabella, Leon Stephan, Doc Mosher,
> Dale Johnson, Dick Navratil, Skip Gadd, Tom Brant, Bruce McCutcheon,
> Marv Haavisto, John from Nova Scotia and the gentleman from Winnipeg
> whose name I missed....
>
> And I don't want to forget Kirk and Laura Huizinga and Mike Botsford....
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
| Subject: | Ebay Sale of a Sky Scout |
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1845722183
Regards,
Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
MyKitPlane.com
EAA 665957
gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=43
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=68
"What's the hurry? Are you afraid I won't come back?"
Manfred von Richthofen, 'The Red Baron,' last recorded words, in reply to
a request for an autograph as he was climbing into the cockpit of his plane.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael Conkling" <hpvs(at)southwind.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2002 |
I probably met most of you guys, but names -) --
except for Leon Stefan -- I ran into him 5 min. after I arrived at the
field!
Mike C.
>
> geez, and I worked my butt off to try to meet everyone from the list!
Guess
> I missed another one.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Dilatush" <dilatush(at)amigo.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Ebay Sale of a Sky Scout |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ebay Sale of a Sky Scout
"Built from plans" Whose plans?
John Dilatush, NX114D
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1845722183
>
> Regards,
>
> Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
> MyKitPlane.com
> EAA 665957
> gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com
> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=43
> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=68
>
> "What's the hurry? Are you afraid I won't come back?"
>
> Manfred von Richthofen, 'The Red Baron,' last recorded words, in reply to
> a request for an autograph as he was climbing into the cockpit of his
plane.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
| Subject: | Ebay Sale of a Sky Scout |
Yeah, who knows? A friend told me about the auction. Thought I would pass it
on.
List's are quite with Oshkosh going on.
-Gary
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of John
> Dilatush
> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 12:36 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ebay Sale of a Sky Scout
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com>
> To: "Pietenpol Group"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ebay Sale of a Sky Scout
>
> "Built from plans" Whose plans?
>
> John Dilatush, NX114D
>
>
>
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1845722183
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
> > MyKitPlane.com
> > EAA 665957
> > gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com
> > http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=43
> > http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=68
> >
> > "What's the hurry? Are you afraid I won't come back?"
> >
> > Manfred von Richthofen, 'The Red Baron,' last recorded words,
> in reply to
> > a request for an autograph as he was climbing into the cockpit of his
> plane.
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | flyboy_120(at)webtv.net (Ed G.) |
Hi everone...Hope someone can help me out here, At Brodhead I met a
heavy set gentleman with a big white mustash, He had some continenal
parts in the back of his car out in the parking area right in front of
the pagoda that he was trying to sell. He said he had some Franklin
pistons at home that he would like to sell
but I got chased off by the thunderstorm Saturday afternoon and never
got his name. Does anyone know who I'm talking about and a name and
address, TIA
Ed Grentzer
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
I would prefer that brodhead flyin be moved back to coinside with Oshkosh
too. Missed brodhead twice now for conflicts and, yes, I do concur that it
is a welcomed diversion for many Oshkosh attendees and the brodhead
attendance numbers would come back up...
We know there is interest....
chris bobka
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry
Davis
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2002
I have attended for four years and I almost cried when the date was changed
last year. Five of us good ol boys from Atlanta, make the trip to Oshkosh
each year and the highlight of the trip is Brodhead on Saturday. Now we only
attend Oshkosh, just can't spare the extra days between Osh and Brod. I vote
for changing the date as it was originally and sit back and watch the crowd
swell back up. We are building 3 piets and are planning to fly them up (to
Osk) when completed. I hope we can include Brodhead also.
Got to go now (heading north for cheese country)
Barry Davis
--- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2002
>
> Sorry to hear there were so few peits on the grass. I imagine that one
> of the problems might be the change of date since lots of folks like to
> get both Brodhead and Oshkosh in the same trip, I was going to make a
> mad dash from Utah this year in the Nissan, but we had car troubles that
> would have stranded my wife, and work schedule that kept me through an
> entire day. I'm planning to be there next year since it is the 75th
> anniversary of the pietenpol, No one has mentioned it yet, but that
> should be publicized and pushed as a great time to have another grand
> peitenpol event!
>
> Steve E.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LAWRENCE WILLIAMS [mailto:lnawms(at)msn.com]
> To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2002
>
>
>
> What in the world happened to the premier Pietenpol event of the
> uni> verse??? I counted exactly FOUR Piets that flew in for the reunion. What
> a disappointment! In years past I have counted as many as thirteen on
> the> field.
>
> Jim Kinsella and I met at Indy and flew up together, Ken Perkins
> cam> e in from KS and Lowell Frank came in from MN. I was able to meet a few
> g> uys from the list but even that was pretty sparse. I assure you who
> atten> ded for the first time this year that it was definitely NOT a typical
> Pie> tenpol reunion!
>
> Don't know what the excuses were. Weather? Mechanical problems?
> "sav> ing" themselves for OSH (boy, I hope that's not the reason)? Burn-out?
> It> 's just surprising that all the regulars were absent as a group. Is
> there> a political side to this? was it a boycott? Or maybe they found out
> that> there was not going to be any sweet corn at the dinner Friday night!
>
> Anyway, for those that attended, lots of info got passed and lots
> of> ideas were presented. There were the "experts" who pointed out glaring
> e> rrors in others' construction and the really newbies that were wide-eyed
> at seeing a real live Piet for the first time. Many with a project in
> the> garage were just glad to look at someones airplane to find out how they
> solved the little problems that always come up. Kodak made some bucks
> and> those in attendance went home happy. Of course the rides and seminars
> w> ere big hits. The chapter did it's usual great job and things went
> smooth> ly as always. Lots of old timers and lots of new timers but not many
> Piet> s........ h-m-m-m-m-m what can we do to up the participation next
> year???
>
> Larry
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
I saw Vi Kapler at oshkosh on wednesday . was he at brodhead?
Chris bobka
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of LAWRENCE
WILLIAMS
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2002
What in the world happened to the premier Pietenpol event of the universe???
I counted exactly FOUR Piets that flew in for the reunion. What
a disappointment! In years past I have counted as many as thirteen on the field.
Jim Kinsella and I met at Indy and flew up together, Ken Perkins came in from
KS and Lowell Frank came in from MN. I was able to meet a few guys from the
list but even that was pretty sparse. I assure you who attended for the first
time this year that it was definitely NOT a typical Pietenpol reunion!
Don't know what the excuses were. Weather? Mechanical problems? "saving" themselves
for OSH (boy, I hope that's not the reason)? Burn-out? It's just surprising
that all the regulars were absent as a group. Is there a political side
to this? was it a boycott? Or maybe they found out that there was not going
to be any sweet corn at the dinner Friday night!
Anyway, for those that attended, lots of info got passed and lots of ideas
were presented. There were the "experts" who pointed out glaring errors in others'
construction and the really newbies that were wide-eyed
at seeing a real live Piet for the first time. Many with a project in the garage
were just glad to look at someones airplane to find out how they
solved the little problems that always come up. Kodak made some bucks and those
in attendance went home happy. Of course the rides and seminars were big hits.
The chapter did it's usual great job and things went smoothly as always. Lots
of old timers and lots of new timers but not many Piets........ h-m-m-m-m-m
what can we do to up the participation next year???
Larry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lou Larsen" <pietlars(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2002 |
Re: The Brodhead Dates:
We are back from Brodhead and, as usual, had a great time. True, there
were't as many Piets flown in as previously, but there still a great group
of 'Pieters' to see and talk to.
I want to mention one thing concerning the current weekend dates vs the "old
weekend dates".
Sime of you may remember that a few years back there was some doubt that
there would even be a "Brodhead" when the originators, ( and I only know of
Francis Saunders and Mr. & Mrs. Dick Weeden) decided that was time for them
to retire from that role after putting in a stupendous amount of time and
effort, over many years, into organizing the event. It was then that the
Brodhead EAA Chapter took over the sponsorship and it didn't miss a beat.
But, as Francis Saunders told me last year, the Chapter was having a time
recruiting chapter members to do all of the many tasks required for the
weekend; they were missing out on going to Oshkosh. So thats why the
weekend was changed and things are the way they are.
When you consider that there is a lot of planning, organizing , managing and
DOING required , I'm very glad that we are able to have a Piet Fly-In at
Brodhead as opposed to not having one at all, which was at one time the
other alternative.
My thanks to the folks at Chapter 431 for another great get together.
P. S. Didn't mean to get so carried away.
Lou Larsen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)startribune.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2002
>
> The Pietenpol turn-out was lower than usual but seeing your georgeous
> yellow
> Air Camper made the trip worthwhile.
> Let's see what else made the journey memorable:
>
> Getting re-aquainted with or putting faces to the names on the list such
> as-
> You (Larry Williams), Jim Kinsella, Ed and Joyce Grentzer, Lou Larsen,
> Randy Bush, Jim Markle, Corky and Isabella, Leon Stephan, Doc Mosher,
> Dale Johnson, Dick Navratil, Skip Gadd, Tom Brant, Bruce McCutcheon,
> Marv Haavisto, John from Nova Scotia and the gentleman from Winnipeg
> whose name I missed....
>
> Meeting Mike and Dave Slaughter from the UK and discussing differences
> between PFA, EAA and FAA. (Boy do we have it nice!).....
>
> Spending time with Bob Whittier discussing everything from his early
> rides in a Curtiss Condor to the proper grain direction of the face
> plies in the shear webs of built up spars to Wisconsin water towers and
> the current direction EAA is headed...
>
> Exploring the hangars on the South side of the airport and finding an
> early example of homebuilding that used steel strap fittings hacked out
> of sheet with a chisel that were pinned to the longerons with nails and
> steel fence posts bolted in as diagonal bracing......
>
> Al Kelch and Denny Trone's, too numerous to count, restorations and
> oddities.....
>
> Fireflies dancing across the airport at night....
>
> Sharing pictures and catching up on everyone else's projects......
>
> Expect more planes next year.
>
> It was wonderful.
>
> Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis
>
>
> >>> lnawms(at)msn.com 07/23/02 03:23PM >>>
>
>
> What in the world happened to the premier Pietenpol event of the
> uni> verse??? I counted exactly FOUR Piets that flew in for the reunion. What
> a disappointment! In years past I have counted as many as thirteen on
> the> field.
>
> Jim Kinsella and I met at Indy and flew up together, Ken Perkins
> cam> e in from KS and Lowell Frank came in from MN. I was able to meet a few
> g> uys from the list but even that was pretty sparse. I assure you who
> atten> ded for the first time this year that it was definitely NOT a typical
> Pie> tenpol reunion!
>
> Don't know what the excuses were. Weather? Mechanical problems?
> "sav> ing" themselves for OSH (boy, I hope that's not the reason)? Burn-out?
> It> 's just surprising that all the regulars were absent as a group. Is
> there> a political side to this? was it a boycott? Or maybe they found out
> that> there was not going to be any sweet corn at the dinner Friday night!
>
> Anyway, for those that attended, lots of info got passed and lots
> of> ideas were presented. There were the "experts" who pointed out glaring
> e> rrors in others' construction and the really newbies that were wide-eyed
> at seeing a real live Piet for the first time. Many with a project in
> the> garage were just glad to look at someones airplane to find out how they
> solved the little problems that always come up. Kodak made some bucks
> and> those in attendance went home happy. Of course the rides and seminars
> w> ere big hits. The chapter did it's usual great job and things went
> smooth> ly as always. Lots of old timers and lots of new timers but not many
> Piet> s........ h-m-m-m-m-m what can we do to up the participation next
> year???
>
> Larry
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael Brusilow" <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2002 |
I would prefer that brodhead flyin be moved back to coinside with
Oshkosh
too. Missed brodhead twice now for conflicts and, yes, I do concur
that it
is a welcomed diversion for many Oshkosh attendees and the brodhead
attendance numbers would come back up...
We know there is interest....
chris bobka
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I do believe you will have to deal with the local EAA chapter. If
memory serves me ( it aint too good these days), the local chapter was
not happy about Piets & OSK at the same time.
Mike B Piet N 687MB (sigh) Mr Sam
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2002 |
>
>
>
>
>
> I would prefer that brodhead flyin be moved back to coinside with
>Oshkosh
> too. Missed brodhead twice now for conflicts and, yes, I do concur
>that it
> is a welcomed diversion for many Oshkosh attendees and the brodhead
> attendance numbers would come back up...
>
> We know there is interest....
>
> chris bobka
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> I do believe you will have to deal with the local EAA chapter. If
>memory serves me ( it aint too good these days), the local chapter was
>not happy about Piets & OSK at the same time.
>
> Mike B Piet N 687MB (sigh) Mr Sam
OK,
My 2cents' worth. I planned to come to Brodhead with Gene Rambo & had to
back out at the 13th hr. to go to the hospital & get a kidney stone dealt
with. Sorry I missed it, regardless of how many Piets were on the field (we
had 2 at the Taylorcraft Flyin, and a number of 'List Guys' in attendance,
BTW).
So what about asking the B'head EAA chapter to schedule it for the
Saturday-Sunday-Monday before Oshkosh? Then they wouldn't have to miss it &
the guys who want to go on to Osh don't have to wait 3 days for it to
start. I know if I went to Osh, it would not be for the whole week anyway;
2 days at Brodhead followed by 2-3 days at Osh sounds just about right for
me.
I just placed a big order with AS&S, so I hope to get back to work on my
project shortly - like everything else, it went on hold while the stone did
it's thing.
Cheers!
Kip Gardner
426 Schneider St. SE
North Canton, OH 44720
(330) 494-1775
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan) |
I've learned that when you change a date of an event to help someone on
one hand, you tick off just as many on the other hand. You can never
win. The new dates have worked great for me, but it requires me to use
2weeks of vacation, and I get to Osh. early enough to get a camp sight
only 5 miles from the flight line instead of 8 or 10. This was only the
second time for the new dates. Air Camper attendance was higher last
year. Maybe this was just one of those down years.
I can also appreciate Ch. 431's concerns. We miss one day of Osh. to
come to Brodhead, They have to miss several to put the event on.
When the new dates were first announced, my first thoughts were that
Brodhead might become a hang out for non interested people on their way
to Oshkosh. With that Calif. group, I think it's happening. Word will
spread and more people and groups will be showing up. I saw some of them
at the Piet dinner. Thats ok if 431 wants to make profit on the dinner,
(more people, more cash) but it can push the size to a unmanageable
level very quickly. I can see it becoming a problem, and Ch. 431
throwing in the towel. Who knows. Leon S.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "TWINBOOM" <TWINBOOM(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ebay Sale of a Sky Scout |
John,
How is your breakin period coming along? Any pics in flight yet?
Doug Blackburn
Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn
ArrowBear Lake Ca.
Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca. http://inlandsloperebels.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Dilatush" <dilatush(at)amigo.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ebay Sale of a Sky Scout
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com>
> To: "Pietenpol Group"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ebay Sale of a Sky Scout
>
> "Built from plans" Whose plans?
>
> John Dilatush, NX114D
>
>
>
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1845722183
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
> > MyKitPlane.com
> > EAA 665957
> > gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com
> > http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=43
> > http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=68
> >
> > "What's the hurry? Are you afraid I won't come back?"
> >
> > Manfred von Richthofen, 'The Red Baron,' last recorded words, in reply
to
> > a request for an autograph as he was climbing into the cockpit of his
> plane.
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Dilatush" <dilatush(at)amigo.net> |
Doug,
No pictures yet, plane flies beautifully and performance is as predicted
with the turbo engine.
While taxiing across field, (Good to have those big ol' spoked wheels)
I ran into a old wooden 1"x 2" survey stake with the prop and broke it,
the prop and the stake that is.
Now making another prop.
John Dilatush, NX114D
Salida, Colorado
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Chad and Susan Johnson" <chadnsue(at)earthlink.net> |
Greetings Piet people.
Name here is Chad. I am a Regional Jet captain based in Chicago but my
family and I live in McPherson, Kansas. I want to build a piet. Can't
afford it, don't have the time, but I still want too. I had a model A
engine in the garage, got the 1932 manual, and even a set of GN-1 plans.
Had to sell the engine a couple of years ago due to low pay my first year
at the airline. Anyway, I flew my uncles Kolb fire star a couple of weeks
ago and it has rekindled my want to build and fly the neatest home built
there is. I really wanted to make it to Brodhead for the first time, (its
only a 2 hour drive from where I stay in Chicago), but the schedule just
didn't work.
I was wondering if I could converse a bit with the Wichita builders and
possibly drop in some time. I commute to Chicago via Mid Continent every
three of four days. Thanks for the great forum.
Chad
chadnsue(at)earthlink.net
--- Susan Johnson
--- chadnsue(at)earthlink.net
--- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Sayre, William G" <william.g.sayre(at)boeing.com> |
>When you consider that there is a lot of planning, organizing , managing
and
>DOING required , I'm very glad that we are able to have a Piet Fly-In at
>Brodhead as opposed to not having one at all, which was at one time the
>other alternative.
I have to admit, a poor Brodhead is still better than none at all. And
there were plenty of years when only three or four ships actually made it in
the past. You can't beat the design or the type of people it attracts. I'd
just hate to see either diluted. I guess I really don't care when it is and
maybe I'll try harder to get there (whenever) a little early and/or stay a
little late to see if I can't volunteer and help the sponsors out. Could be
a whole that a whole new camaraderie would evolve around that! I remember
how much fun shucking the corn was while swapping lies - - I mean stories.
Sorry to hear about your "stone" Kip. Hope all's well soon.
Bill Sayre
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <flysgi(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2002 |
As a first time attendee of Brodhead, I found it to be a great experience. I
have been flying for over 30 yrs. and the airport took me back to a great
time in aviation. As I am just starting the "piet" building process, I found
the support very encouraging. I am actually quite intimidated with the whole
concept of building a plane. Taking a ride with Jim Kinsella was the stimulus
that I needed to actually proceed. There are very few homebuilt aircraft that
have a support group willing to take people for a ride in their aircraft. As
far as the scheduling of the event, I was never quite sure if it was on Friday
and Saturday, or Saturday and Sunday. My schedule unfortunately did not
permit going to both Brodhead and Oshkosh, however if it was on Saturday and
Sunday, it would have been easier to go up to Oshkosh on Monday for the
opening on Tuesday (and as mentioned tie-down miles closer in).
However, I will be coming whenever it is next year, it was a great experience.
Steve Isaacs
Statesville, NC
wrote:
>When you consider that there is a lot of planning, organizing , managing
and
>DOING required , I'm very glad that we are able to have a Piet Fly-In at
>Brodhead as opposed to not having one at all, which was at one time the
>other alternative.
I have to admit, a poor Brodhead is still better than none at all. And
there were plenty of years when only three or four ships actually made it in
the past. You can't beat the design or the type of people it attracts. I'd
just hate to see either diluted. I guess I really don't care when it is and
maybe I'll try harder to get there (whenever) a little early and/or stay a
little late to see if I can't volunteer and help the sponsors out. Could be
a whole that a whole new camaraderie would evolve around that! I remember
how much fun shucking the corn was while swapping lies - - I mean stories.
Sorry to hear about your "stone" Kip. Hope all's well soon.
Bill Sayre
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Seibert Bob-r18643 <Bob.Seibert(at)motorola.com> |
| Subject: | Washout Question |
I am starting to rig the wings and have a question about the apparant washout on
the plans.
The cabane strut plans say 2 different lengths to get an angle of incidence and
the lift struts are the same length both front and rear.
Is the center section supposed to have incidence 2 degrees positive and the angle
of incidence at the lift struts 0 degrees?
Just want to make sure before scrapping more parts.
Does anyone rig the wing without washout?
Bob Seibert
Confused in Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard(at)titan.com> |
| Subject: | Washout Question |
I don't have my plans in front of me right now, but what is the height of
the fuselage at the front and rear attach points? I'm probably a couple of
months from having the same question. Cabane struts are assembled, but not
the lift struts.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Seibert Bob-r18643 [mailto:Bob.Seibert(at)motorola.com]
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Washout Question
I am starting to rig the wings and have a question about the apparant
washout on the plans.
The cabane strut plans say 2 different lengths to get an angle of incidence
and the lift struts are the same length both front and rear.
Is the center section supposed to have incidence 2 degrees positive and the
angle of incidence at the lift struts 0 degrees?
Just want to make sure before scrapping more parts.
Does anyone rig the wing without washout?
Bob Seibert
Confused in Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Brodhead (LONG message....) |
Well, Brodhead proved to be more than I could ever imagine. I gained SO
much more than I could have ever given. Wow.
My highlight was taking (and TAPING) BOTH my first ever (in Jim Kinsella's)
and second (in Ken Perkins') rides in a Pietenpol. Good thing there were a
bunch of guys standing around after that first landing, otherwise I would
not have been able to fight back the emotion (read tears). Low and slow,
open cockpit, the sounds, the smells, the view, the feeling, the smooth
ride, the take off, the landing, the pilots. WOW!! When I owned a Harley
we used to say "if you've ever ridden one, you'll know....if you've never
ridden one, I won't be able to explain....". Flying in a Pietenpol is the
same thing....(only here you add UP IN THE SKY to the experience...). And
the Pietenpol people.....I took a few of my wing ribs and got some
INVALUABLE critiques and input (right up to just a few minutes before I left
on Sunday). It's a wonderful experience to have such incredible resources
available to give feedback to help you keep on the right track.....
Anyway, with Brodhead and Oshkosh combined, I took 5 hours of video that I
will likely edit down to a little less....maybe even just 4 hours. Not sure
if most is Brodhead or most is Oshkosh but I'm going to copy the digital
tape over to vhs and make it available to anyone that wants a copy. But
here's the deal.....I'M NOT GOOD AT TAKING VIDEOS.......(anyone who sees the
video will realize that this is an enormous understatement). I'll leave it
at that. The video includes ANYTHING I find interesting at the time.....a
chipmunk on the field between some Piets, an old wooden outhouse between
some hangers (at Brodhead) that has a "Load Limit 3 Tons" road sign nailed
to the door.....a LOT of Piet stuff with additional things that my weird
view of the world forces me to include. Also, I tend to yammer on without
thinking...like when I'm taking a video of a Radial powered Piet landing and
say "here comes a rotary powered Pietenpol"..... Rotary? Well, sometimes I
just get caught up in the moment and don't pay attention.....deal with
it.... :-) I was a little disappointed that Bill Rewey's Pietenpol forum at
Oshkosh (where Vi K. and Ken P. gave some additional input) had a pretty
marginal sound system. But with a little knowledge of Piets I think it will
be useful information.
OK, that's my disclaimer, you want a copy? Send me a blank tape AND an
SASE. I'm not going to sell the tapes (after my "disclaimer" above, the
idea that I COULD sell this tape is a little silly....) but if you want to
include a "contribution", that's entirely up to you.
Send a blank (high quality) VHS tape with return self addressed
envelope/postage to:
Jim Markle
2508 Pickwick Ln
Plano, TX 75093-3534
cell phone: 469-371-0669
At this point, I don't care if Brodhead is before or after Oshkosh. Future
Oshkosh trips for me will be optional. Brodhead (or similar Pietenpol
gatherings) will not be optional. These are great folks and I like hanging
out with them (Piet AND Brodhead people). God willing I'll get to do it
again. But no matter what, Brodhead was a wonderful experience for me.
(And Oshkosh was a pretty neat add on.)
Sorry I missed a few folks (at Brodhead AND Oshkosh) that I had hoped to
see. Bobka and Cuy for example. But I did get to meet many other folks
whose names I recognized from the last year or so that I've been consumed by
this Pietenpol passion......
This is a great bunch of folks. And that definitely includes the EAA
Chapter at Brodhead! What a pleasure to get to hang out with them.....
And I've now added another item to my "I WILL do this!!" list.....and that
is to get MY chance to give someone THEIR first ride in a (MY) Pietenpol!!!
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Markle [mailto:jim_markle(at)mindspring.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:09 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Brodhead
I'm definitely going. After I leave there I might drop by that Oshkosh
thingy for a while.....whatever.
Main thing is I get to go to Brodhead......
Loading up and driving north early Wednesday morning.......and hoping to
have my tent setup later Thursday afternoon. I can hardly wait to sit back,
close my eyes and just listen as they cruise, low and slow, down
final.......
And I TOTALLY agree with the name badge idea.......
This is gonna be SO much fun........
Jim Markle
Plano, TX
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gadd, Skip" <Skip.Gadd(at)ssa.gov> |
| Subject: | Washout Question |
Bob,
I don't have my 1934 plans with me at work but do have a copy of F&G Manual.
The lower longeron curves and the top longeron is straight, the attach point
for the front lift strut is 2 3/8 closer to the top longeron than the rear
lift strut attach point.
The numbers on the F&G plans are different but the idea is the same.
Skip
>The cabane strut plans say 2 different lengths to get an angle of incidence
and the lift struts >are the same length both front and rear.
>Is the center section supposed to have incidence 2 degrees positive and the
angle of incidence >at the lift struts 0 degrees?
>Bob Seibert
>Confused in Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Washout Question |
Hi Bob...The plans show the rear lift strut fitting being 1" farther from
the upper longeron (lower) than the front lift strut fitting. So with the
rear cabane being 1" shorter and the lift struts being the same length the
whole wing should be an even 1" lower at the rear spar than the front spar
ie. 2 degree incedence but zero wash out. At least that's the way I'm
reading it. Opinions may vary. Ed G.
>From: Seibert Bob-r18643 <Bob.Seibert(at)motorola.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To: "Pietenpol list (E-mail)"
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Washout Question
>Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:52:31 -0700
>
>
>
>I am starting to rig the wings and have a question about the apparant
>washout on the plans.
>The cabane strut plans say 2 different lengths to get an angle of incidence
>and the lift struts are the same length both front and rear.
>Is the center section supposed to have incidence 2 degrees positive and the
>angle of incidence at the lift struts 0 degrees?
>Just want to make sure before scrapping more parts.
>Does anyone rig the wing without washout?
>
>Bob Seibert
>Confused in Texas
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walter evans" <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Selling my FFP 404 |
Finally time to move onto flying my next project, and time to sell my
404. Here are the specs:
Fisher Flying Products FFP-404
3 yrs old, good "hands off" flyer, no damage, Rotax 447, basic
instruments,
Poly Fiber process, clean, always hangered, green w/white wings, was in
FFP
newsletter a few years ago, has 7.5 gal tank, will give you a spare 5
gal
tank, all plans/construction photos included, construction overseen by
AP,
flying it as a U/L
$8000.00
can email any photos
in "Cover-it" hanger in Newton NJ, will also sell hanger if you are
local
walt 973-347-6757 or
wbeevans(at)att.net
getting ready to fly my next project, Pietenpol Aircamper. Need the
space
and the $$$
walt
NX140DL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2002 |
Larry----I feel for your disappointment in the turn out this year. I was
packed
and loaded to go but with 2 mile or less vis in haze and windy it wasn't
for a VFR pilot
in a Piet. (course some of you guys are better pilots and would have made
the trip.)
Anyway.......in 1999 we had 17 Piets........17 that flew into Osh for the
70th reunion.
Weather has lots to to with it. The weather systems have to be decent for
a Piet guy
to go x-country. Least for me they do. Anyway, like Steve E. said we
should organize
a big event for 2004, which will be the 75th anniv. of the design, but why
not bring a bunch
next year anyway ? I 'm going to be packed again and ready to go next year
again
but only God knows what the weather will be doing with that coin flip:)))
The Ohio Mike C. in pretty ugly haze, not Pretty Prairie :))
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu> |
29 plus 75 = 2003 duh 2004... this new math kills me.
I'll be going again in 2004 regardless of the weekend, my hats off to
the 431 gang. Great time had on both my visits. (now if you want one
of the affor-mentioned hats, there I can help you! :)
Steve E.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael D Cuy [mailto:Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov]
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2002
Larry----I feel for your disappointment in the turn out this year. I
was
packed
and loaded to go but with 2 mile or less vis in haze and windy it wasn't
for a VFR pilot
in a Piet. (course some of you guys are better pilots and would have
made
the trip.)
Anyway.......in 1999 we had 17 Piets........17 that flew into Osh for
the
70th reunion.
Weather has lots to to with it. The weather systems have to be decent
for
a Piet guy
to go x-country. Least for me they do. Anyway, like Steve E. said we
should organize
a big event for 2004, which will be the 75th anniv. of the design, but
why
not bring a bunch
next year anyway ? I 'm going to be packed again and ready to go next
year
again
but only God knows what the weather will be doing with that coin
flip:)))
The Ohio Mike C. in pretty ugly haze, not Pretty Prairie :))
=
=
=
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list
=
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DJ Vegh" <aircamper(at)imagedv.com> |
Hi all,
I havent been vary active on the list the past several weeks.... Mainly
due to the AZ heat which is keeping me from doing any work on the GN-1.
Another reason is I've been involved with finishing up my Private
certificate. I've got my checkride in the morning at 7AM.
I feel prepared but I'm still nervous as hell! I can't remember the
last time I've been so nervous about something. I just don't wanna
forget anything or screw up.... Sheeeesh my stomach is turning as I
type this.
If all goes well tomorrow about noon I should be America's newest
licensed pilot. Wooohoooo!
DJ Vegh
www.raptoronline.com
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Dilatush" <dilatush(at)amigo.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Washout Question |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard(at)titan.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Washout Question
Gene,
Don't worry about making your lift struts until you have started to assemble
the plane. At that point you can attach the wing at the root, prop up the
tip of the wing, measure the dihedral, (the original Piet had non, because
it was a one piece wing, however, if you are making a three piece wing, you
might want to raise the tips about 1" in order that it doesn't appear to
droop), then you can measure for your lift struts. In order to get washout,
make the lift struts adjustable. You will find that the front and rear
lengths vary slightly.
John, NX114D
Salida Colorado
>
> I don't have my plans in front of me right now, but what is the height of
> the fuselage at the front and rear attach points? I'm probably a couple
of
> months from having the same question. Cabane struts are assembled, but
not
> the lift struts.
>
> Gene
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seibert Bob-r18643 [mailto:Bob.Seibert(at)motorola.com]
> To: Pietenpol list (E-mail)
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Washout Question
>
>
>
>
> I am starting to rig the wings and have a question about the apparant
> washout on the plans.
> The cabane strut plans say 2 different lengths to get an angle of
incidence
> and the lift struts are the same length both front and rear.
> Is the center section supposed to have incidence 2 degrees positive and
the
> angle of incidence at the lift struts 0 degrees?
> Just want to make sure before scrapping more parts.
> Does anyone rig the wing without washout?
>
> Bob Seibert
> Confused in Texas
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walter evans" <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: PPL Checkride |
DJ,
Good luck!!!
I remember when I got mine (quite a few years ago) flew to the airport for
the test, and proceded to the mens room to "sling mud". My guts were in an
uproar.
What I've found out since, is that if your instructor works with a certain
inspector or DAR, they know if he releases you to them, that it's just a
formality to take the check ride. Hope so.
Just remember that with all we have to go through, it's just another reason
to be very proud to be a pilot.
GOOD LUCK and let us know.
walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: PPL Checkride
>
> Hi all,
>
> I havent been vary active on the list the past several weeks.... Mainly
> due to the AZ heat which is keeping me from doing any work on the GN-1.
> Another reason is I've been involved with finishing up my Private
> certificate. I've got my checkride in the morning at 7AM.
>
> I feel prepared but I'm still nervous as hell! I can't remember the
> last time I've been so nervous about something. I just don't wanna
> forget anything or screw up.... Sheeeesh my stomach is turning as I
> type this.
>
> If all goes well tomorrow about noon I should be America's newest
> licensed pilot. Wooohoooo!
>
> DJ Vegh
> www.raptoronline.com
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: PPL Checkride |
DJ,
Relax, as much as possible. The DE wants to see a safe pilot,
not a perfect pilot. My checkride was at a different airport
than scheduled, the morning ride had canceled due to wind (and
the DE was not thrilled) and I had my first experience with
wind shear. The DE even took the plane around the pattern once
and when he got slammed on landing he let me take another shot
and go long to avoid the ground feature that caused it.
Worst case you get to take another ride with your first passenger :-).
Expect to learn a little. I sure did. Know your airspace and the
rules, don't try to BS the DE, and remember that he is looking for
proof that you have good enough judgement to not kill a kid that
is taking his first airplane ride.
Good luck and enjoy the ride.
Dave
N36078 '41 BC-12-65
Retsof, NY
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>I havent been vary active on the list the past several weeks.... Mainly
>due to the AZ heat which is keeping me from doing any work on the GN-1.
>Another reason is I've been involved with finishing up my Private
>certificate. I've got my checkride in the morning at 7AM.
>
>I feel prepared but I'm still nervous as hell! I can't remember the
>last time I've been so nervous about something. I just don't wanna
>forget anything or screw up.... Sheeeesh my stomach is turning as I
>type this.
>
>If all goes well tomorrow about noon I should be America's newest
>licensed pilot. Wooohoooo!
>
>DJ Vegh
>www.raptoronline.com
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Wichita Piet |
In a message dated 7/29/02 12:22:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
chadnsue(at)earthlink.net writes:
> .
> I was wondering if I could converse a bit with the Wichita builders
> and
> possibly drop in some time. I commute to Chicago via Mid Continent every
> three of four days. Thanks for the great forum.
>
> Chad
> chadnsue(at)earthlink.net
>
>
>
Chad,
I am one of the Wichita Piet builders. Call will when you can (316) 733-2324
and (316) 676-6641.
Doug Bryant
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Waytogopiet(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: PPL Checkride |
In a message dated 7/29/2002 4:07:38 PM Central Standard Time,
aircamper(at)imagedv.com writes:
> I can't remember the
> last time I've been so nervous about something.
You'll do just fine DJ...oh,..wear an old shirt ! Don
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Waytogopiet(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Wichita Piet |
In a message dated 7/29/2002 2:22:43 AM Central Standard Time,
chadnsue(at)earthlink.net writes:
> I want to build a piet. Can't
> afford it, don't have the time, but I still want too.
Chad and Sue....Welcome to the group. As the saying goes Just Do It !! You
will find a bunch of guys 'n gals who are more than ready to help in any way
possible.
Happy building and let's hear from you again when you've taken that first
step. Don Hicks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
You'll do fine. I can't wait until I get to do the check ride thing. -Gary
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 4:07 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: PPL Checkride
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I havent been vary active on the list the past several weeks.... Mainly
> due to the AZ heat which is keeping me from doing any work on the GN-1.
> Another reason is I've been involved with finishing up my Private
> certificate. I've got my checkride in the morning at 7AM.
>
> I feel prepared but I'm still nervous as hell! I can't remember the
> last time I've been so nervous about something. I just don't wanna
> forget anything or screw up.... Sheeeesh my stomach is turning as I
> type this.
>
> If all goes well tomorrow about noon I should be America's newest
> licensed pilot. Wooohoooo!
>
> DJ Vegh
> www.raptoronline.com
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John_Duprey(at)vmed.org |
| Subject: | Re: PPL Checkride |
07/30/2002 07:36:05 AM
Good Luck DJ you will do fine....
"DJ Vegh" (at)matronics.com on 07/29/2002 05:07:02 PM
Please respond to pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
cc:
Subject: Pietenpol-List: PPL Checkride
Hi all,
I havent been vary active on the list the past several weeks.... Mainly
due to the AZ heat which is keeping me from doing any work on the GN-1.
Another reason is I've been involved with finishing up my Private
certificate. I've got my checkride in the morning at 7AM.
I feel prepared but I'm still nervous as hell! I can't remember the
last time I've been so nervous about something. I just don't wanna
forget anything or screw up.... Sheeeesh my stomach is turning as I
type this.
If all goes well tomorrow about noon I should be America's newest
licensed pilot. Wooohoooo!
DJ Vegh
www.raptoronline.com
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| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov> |
The way they schedule Bhead and Osh seems to work out ok in my mind.
If you leave the B-head fly in on Sunday the grounds are open at Osh and FREE.
It doesn't cost you anything to go in and look around on Sun and Monday since
the show starts on Tuesday. Plus you get to see all the planes
landing----heck,
most of them are there by Sunday night. They have messed with the Osh &
b-head
schedules quite a bit though in the past few years with SO many people that
keep
coming early to Osh. What is funny is that the "big" weekend at Oshkosh
is at the
tail end of the show week and by Sunday of that weekend there are few
planes left
and the airshow acts tend to fall off too with fewer warbirds, etc. in the
air. Seems
kind of backward, that's why I enjoy the Osh show much more in the first
few days.
(though not everyone can get that time off work, understood.) Tough calls.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kent Hallsten" <KHallsten(at)governair.com> |
When it's all over, have someone take a picture of the big stupid grin on your
face!!
Good luck buddy, and if you get the right examiner he will do his best to make
you feel at ease, too. Don't sweat it too much.
Kent
-----Original Message-----
From: DJ Vegh [mailto:aircamper(at)imagedv.com]
Subject: Pietenpol-List: PPL Checkride
Hi all,
I havent been vary active on the list the past several weeks.... Mainly
due to the AZ heat which is keeping me from doing any work on the GN-1.
Another reason is I've been involved with finishing up my Private
certificate. I've got my checkride in the morning at 7AM.
I feel prepared but I'm still nervous as hell! I can't remember the
last time I've been so nervous about something. I just don't wanna
forget anything or screw up.... Sheeeesh my stomach is turning as I
type this.
If all goes well tomorrow about noon I should be America's newest
licensed pilot. Wooohoooo!
DJ Vegh
www.raptoronline.com
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| From: | Earl Fortner <efortner(at)vnet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: PPL Checkride |
Just keep your cool and you will be OK. When I took my check ride the
examiner crawled in and tied his seat belt in a knot around his waist instead
of using the buckle. Had to tell him that would not do.
Earl RV4
DJ Vegh wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I havent been vary active on the list the past several weeks.... Mainly
> due to the AZ heat which is keeping me from doing any work on the GN-1.
> Another reason is I've been involved with finishing up my Private
> certificate. I've got my checkride in the morning at 7AM.
>
> I feel prepared but I'm still nervous as hell! I can't remember the
> last time I've been so nervous about something. I just don't wanna
> forget anything or screw up.... Sheeeesh my stomach is turning as I
> type this.
>
> If all goes well tomorrow about noon I should be America's newest
> licensed pilot. Wooohoooo!
>
> DJ Vegh
> www.raptoronline.com
>
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| From: | "malcolm Zirges" <macz(at)macsells.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2002 |
I want to put my agreement on record with Brodhead being re-timed to
coincide with Oshkosh as in the past.
I think most folks get only one vacation a year so must now choose between
the week of Brodhead OR the week of Oshkosh--so some are choosing Oshkosh
and we are losing them. I know that for me, coming from the west coast, it
is really difficult to fit in both when they are separated in time because I
have to figure in 8 days driving time as well.
Brodhead is a blast, but there are seminars and workshops at Oshkosh that I
also hate to miss. I vote for moving back to the old timing.
Cordially, Mac in Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Brusilow" <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2002
>
>
>
>
> I would prefer that brodhead flyin be moved back to coinside with
> Oshkosh
> too. Missed brodhead twice now for conflicts and, yes, I do concur
> that it
> is a welcomed diversion for many Oshkosh attendees and the brodhead
> attendance numbers would come back up...
>
> We know there is interest....
>
> chris bobka
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> I do believe you will have to deal with the local EAA chapter. If
> memory serves me ( it aint too good these days), the local chapter was
> not happy about Piets & OSK at the same time.
>
> Mike B Piet N 687MB (sigh) Mr Sam
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Back from OSH and Brodhead |
| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)charter.net> |
Howdy all,
I did not get too many photos at Brodhead due to a little redhead that had
too much heat and sun but I will post what I got. Sorry I missed meeting
many of you. Jack Phillips stayed at my campsite in Oshkosh Friday night and
it was wonderful spending time with him. He is a great guy and very
knowledgeable.
Give me a day or so and I will post what I have.
-john-
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Sam Marinucci" <srmjem(at)ezol.com> |
Hi Pieters,
I'm at the point on my Air Camper where the wing leading edge
plywood has to be installed. This question may have been addressed in the
past and if it has, I apoligize for bringing it up again. The plans call for
9 inches of 1/16th ply from the leading edge to the top of the forward spar
(it also states cardboard may be used!).....wouldn't it make more sense to
also wrap the plywood around to the bottom of the forward spar? I've
recovered a J-3 and an Aeronca Chief in the past that were covered with
sheet aluminum in this fashion.
Something else, whats the best way to ensure sufficient contact of the ply
to the ribs while the epoxy cures? I prefer not to use nails even if
removed.
Thanks for your help in advance.
Sam
NX115SM (reserved number)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DJ Vegh" <aircamper(at)imagedv.com> |
| Subject: | PPL Checkride - PASSED!!! |
YEEEEEE HAWWWWW!!!!!!
I PASSED!!!!!!
It was SOOO much fun! I can't believe a checkride would actually be
fun.
My examiner was the best! When we were done he said he was sooo
surprised that I did my maneuvers to commercial pilot level. It was a
blast. I only screwed up one thing... The diversion to another
airport. I flipped my to-from on the VOR and flew the wrong way for
about 2 minutes before I caught it... BUT , I noticed my mistake and
proceeded to the airport without fail.
All other maneuvers went VERY VERY well. I am soooo proud!!! A grin
goes from ear to ear that I don't think will come off for days!
Thanks for all your encouragement and support!
Wow.... I'm a licensed pilot!!!!! HOLY SHIT!!!
DJ
www.raptoronline.com
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| From: | "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: PPL Checkride |
DJ,
From what I experienced, the DE is an instructor at heart. If you don't
know something, he'll tell you, not flunk you. That's been the case with
any biannial that I've had as well. Usually, I'm worried about knowing
ARROW (acronym for the five documents you need in an aircraft for the
aircraft) or airspace weather minimums and he's just worried about your
level of control. Just fly smooooooth and relaxed.
Robert Haines
Du Quoin, Illinois
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael King" <mikek120(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | PPL Checkride - PASSED!!! |
DJ,
CONGRATULATIONS! It is indeed an experience and emotion
that will last a lifetime. The other ratings to follow will not have
the same affect.
Best wishes,
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
Subject: Pietenpol-List: PPL Checkride - PASSED!!!
YEEEEEE HAWWWWW!!!!!!
I PASSED!!!!!!
It was SOOO much fun! I can't believe a checkride would actually be
fun.
My examiner was the best! When we were done he said he was sooo
surprised that I did my maneuvers to commercial pilot level. It was a
blast. I only screwed up one thing... The diversion to another
airport. I flipped my to-from on the VOR and flew the wrong way for
about 2 minutes before I caught it... BUT , I noticed my mistake and
proceeded to the airport without fail.
All other maneuvers went VERY VERY well. I am soooo proud!!! A grin
goes from ear to ear that I don't think will come off for days!
Thanks for all your encouragement and support!
Wow.... I'm a licensed pilot!!!!! HOLY SHIT!!!
DJ
www.raptoronline.com
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| From: | "dpaul" <dpaul(at)tigernet.missouri.org> |
| Subject: | Missouri Pietenpol Owners or Builders |
Hello,
I would like to begin construction of a Pietenpol. It would be
great if there was someone within a few hours drive with a Pietenpol
that I could take a look at. I'm located St. James area. Would love to
hear from you. Thanks....Dave
dpaul(at)tigernet.missouri.org
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jeffrey Wilcox" <craigwilcox(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: PPL Checkride - PASSED!!! |
DJ-
Best congratulations!!!!! This is a step you will always remember, and I'm
happy for you that it will be a good one.
Craig
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh <aircamper(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: PPL Checkride - PASSED!!!
>
> YEEEEEE HAWWWWW!!!!!!
>
> I PASSED!!!!!!
>
> It was SOOO much fun! I can't believe a checkride would actually be
> fun.
>
> My examiner was the best! When we were done he said he was sooo
> surprised that I did my maneuvers to commercial pilot level. It was a
> blast. I only screwed up one thing... The diversion to another
> airport. I flipped my to-from on the VOR and flew the wrong way for
> about 2 minutes before I caught it... BUT , I noticed my mistake and
> proceeded to the airport without fail.
>
> All other maneuvers went VERY VERY well. I am soooo proud!!! A grin
> goes from ear to ear that I don't think will come off for days!
>
> Thanks for all your encouragement and support!
>
> Wow.... I'm a licensed pilot!!!!! HOLY SHIT!!!
>
> DJ
> www.raptoronline.com
>
>
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| From: | "Jeffrey Wilcox" <craigwilcox(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Leading edge |
Sam, there are many ways to secure that leading edge. I have used both
staple strips and pieces of inner tube with hooks on the end. Both go
immediately OVER the nose ribs. Use some T-88, and make sure that you get a
good layer on the wood. If you want, you can mark where the ribs go on the
inside of the plywood or aluminum (used both - not much difference), and
rough it with scotchbrite (alum.) or sandpaper (plywood). If you are using
plywood, after marking the nose rib locations, use some spar or epoxy
varnish to seal the wood.
If you are into work, you can also make a female mold arrangement to hold
the LE on while the glue dries. Bingelis has various ways of doing this in
his books.
As to bringing it all the way from top of spar to bottom of spar, its your
choice. Piets, and other aircraft, have been built both ways. My personal
preference is to use 0.020 aluminum and wrap all the way around. I do plead
guilty to using 1/4" x 22 or 24 ga. brass or cement coated aircraft nails -
space about 1" on center.
Good luck with your project - you have come a long way if you are ready for
the leading edges!
Craig
----- Original Message -----
From: Sam Marinucci <srmjem(at)ezol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge
>
> Hi Pieters,
> I'm at the point on my Air Camper where the wing leading edge
> plywood has to be installed. This question may have been addressed in the
> past and if it has, I apoligize for bringing it up again. The plans call
for
> 9 inches of 1/16th ply from the leading edge to the top of the forward
spar
> (it also states cardboard may be used!).....wouldn't it make more sense to
> also wrap the plywood around to the bottom of the forward spar? I've
> recovered a J-3 and an Aeronca Chief in the past that were covered with
> sheet aluminum in this fashion.
> Something else, whats the best way to ensure sufficient contact of the ply
> to the ribs while the epoxy cures? I prefer not to use nails even if
> removed.
> Thanks for your help in advance.
> Sam
> NX115SM (reserved number)
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
| Subject: | PPL Checkride - PASSED!!! |
WOOT!!! Nice work. -Gary
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 2:31 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: PPL Checkride - PASSED!!!
>
>
> YEEEEEE HAWWWWW!!!!!!
>
> I PASSED!!!!!!
>
> It was SOOO much fun! I can't believe a checkride would actually be
> fun.
>
> My examiner was the best! When we were done he said he was sooo
> surprised that I did my maneuvers to commercial pilot level. It was a
> blast. I only screwed up one thing... The diversion to another
> airport. I flipped my to-from on the VOR and flew the wrong way for
> about 2 minutes before I caught it... BUT , I noticed my mistake and
> proceeded to the airport without fail.
>
> All other maneuvers went VERY VERY well. I am soooo proud!!! A grin
> goes from ear to ear that I don't think will come off for days!
>
> Thanks for all your encouragement and support!
>
> Wow.... I'm a licensed pilot!!!!! HOLY SHIT!!!
>
> DJ
> www.raptoronline.com
>
>
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| From: | "Gene Rambo" <rambog(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Leading edge |
The reason the plywood does not wrap all the way around is that it does not
serve any structural purpose in a Piet, it is just there to give a constant
airfoil shape in the most important area for lift. Heck, you could omit the
plywood entirely, Like Larry did, although you should put in extra "false
ribs" between the ribs to give more shape in the area. Also, it would be
much more difficult to wrap the plywood all the way around AND it could hold
moisture against the front of the spar (and be heavier). Personally, I am
leaning toward false ribs. Just makes it LOOK older and would be incredibly
easy to install.
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walter evans" <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: PPL Checkride - PASSED!!! |
DJ,
GREAT!!!
Good to hear it, Happy flying forever.
walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: PPL Checkride - PASSED!!!
>
> YEEEEEE HAWWWWW!!!!!!
>
> I PASSED!!!!!!
>
> It was SOOO much fun! I can't believe a checkride would actually be
> fun.
>
> My examiner was the best! When we were done he said he was sooo
> surprised that I did my maneuvers to commercial pilot level. It was a
> blast. I only screwed up one thing... The diversion to another
> airport. I flipped my to-from on the VOR and flew the wrong way for
> about 2 minutes before I caught it... BUT , I noticed my mistake and
> proceeded to the airport without fail.
>
> All other maneuvers went VERY VERY well. I am soooo proud!!! A grin
> goes from ear to ear that I don't think will come off for days!
>
> Thanks for all your encouragement and support!
>
> Wow.... I'm a licensed pilot!!!!! HOLY SHIT!!!
>
> DJ
> www.raptoronline.com
>
>
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| From: | Dennis Engelkenjohn <wingding(at)usmo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Leading edge |
Hi Sam:
I asked the very same question of Bill Rewey at Oshkosh. He told me he
covered his leading edge with .016 aluminum and wrapped the leading edge and
held it all on with nails. Said when it is covered and the fabric is shrunk it
will pull the aluminum up tight.
On my minimax, I used rubber bands cut from an inner tube with a stick
behind the front spar.
Dennis
Sam Marinucci wrote:
>
> Hi Pieters,
> I'm at the point on my Air Camper where the wing leading edge
> plywood has to be installed. This question may have been addressed in the
> past and if it has, I apoligize for bringing it up again. The plans call for
> 9 inches of 1/16th ply from the leading edge to the top of the forward spar
> (it also states cardboard may be used!).....wouldn't it make more sense to
> also wrap the plywood around to the bottom of the forward spar? I've
> recovered a J-3 and an Aeronca Chief in the past that were covered with
> sheet aluminum in this fashion.
> Something else, whats the best way to ensure sufficient contact of the ply
> to the ribs while the epoxy cures? I prefer not to use nails even if
> removed.
> Thanks for your help in advance.
> Sam
> NX115SM (reserved number)
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walter evans" <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: PPL Checkride |
Robert,
Please post descripting of "ARROW"
walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: PPL Checkride
>
> DJ,
>
> From what I experienced, the DE is an instructor at heart. If you don't
> know something, he'll tell you, not flunk you. That's been the case with
> any biannial that I've had as well. Usually, I'm worried about knowing
> ARROW (acronym for the five documents you need in an aircraft for the
> aircraft) or airspace weather minimums and he's just worried about your
> level of control. Just fly smooooooth and relaxed.
>
> Robert Haines
> Du Quoin, Illinois
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walter evans" <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Leading edge |
Dennis,
Thats a great idea! Got to jot that down for my next project. I had
stapled mine through a plastic strip, and it worked ok , but this is better.
This is right up there with someones idea about making clamps from slices of
PVC pipe, which worked amazingly well.
walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <wingding(at)usmo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge
>
> Hi Sam:
>
> I asked the very same question of Bill Rewey at Oshkosh. He told me
he
> covered his leading edge with .016 aluminum and wrapped the leading edge
and
> held it all on with nails. Said when it is covered and the fabric is
shrunk it
> will pull the aluminum up tight.
> On my minimax, I used rubber bands cut from an inner tube with a
stick
> behind the front spar.
> Dennis
>
> Sam Marinucci wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Pieters,
> > I'm at the point on my Air Camper where the wing leading edge
> > plywood has to be installed. This question may have been addressed in
the
> > past and if it has, I apoligize for bringing it up again. The plans call
for
> > 9 inches of 1/16th ply from the leading edge to the top of the forward
spar
> > (it also states cardboard may be used!).....wouldn't it make more sense
to
> > also wrap the plywood around to the bottom of the forward spar? I've
> > recovered a J-3 and an Aeronca Chief in the past that were covered with
> > sheet aluminum in this fashion.
> > Something else, whats the best way to ensure sufficient contact of the
ply
> > to the ribs while the epoxy cures? I prefer not to use nails even if
> > removed.
> > Thanks for your help in advance.
> > Sam
> > NX115SM (reserved number)
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Navratril" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Leading edge |
Sam
I wrapped my leading edge all the way around. The only problem I ran into
was the ply distorted on the underside leaving it bowed out between the
ribs. I solved that by scallop cutting the plywood between the ribs. Now
that it's covered and painted it looks good.
I started by clamping and glueing on the top side and used cargo straps on
every other rib to slowly bend the ply around while wetting the wood. I
also used a iron to steam the wood while bending. I should also add that I
went with 12" wide sections of Plywood.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Marinucci" <srmjem(at)ezol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge
>
> Hi Pieters,
> I'm at the point on my Air Camper where the wing leading edge
> plywood has to be installed. This question may have been addressed in the
> past and if it has, I apoligize for bringing it up again. The plans call
for
> 9 inches of 1/16th ply from the leading edge to the top of the forward
spar
> (it also states cardboard may be used!).....wouldn't it make more sense to
> also wrap the plywood around to the bottom of the forward spar? I've
> recovered a J-3 and an Aeronca Chief in the past that were covered with
> sheet aluminum in this fashion.
> Something else, whats the best way to ensure sufficient contact of the ply
> to the ribs while the epoxy cures? I prefer not to use nails even if
> removed.
> Thanks for your help in advance.
> Sam
> NX115SM (reserved number)
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Borodent(at)aol.com |
Ribs are done and I want to seal them
I would like any advise or comments
I plan to
( 1 ) I guess nobody uses a wood perservative
( 2 ) Tape off parts of the ribs where there will be future gluing. (( to
spars, wedge above spar to rib, LE, TE, where wood must be added for ailerons
- wing and aileron))
( 3 ) dip ribs into Minwax marinespar varnish
Thanks for any comments- Henry Williams
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com> |
--- Borodent(at)aol.com wrote:
> Borodent(at)aol.com
>
> Ribs are done and I want to seal them
> I would like any advise or comments
> I plan to
> ( 1 ) I guess nobody uses a wood perservative
> ( 2 ) Tape off parts of the ribs where there will be
> future gluing. (( to
> spars, wedge above spar to rib, LE, TE, where wood
> must be added for ailerons
> - wing and aileron))
> ( 3 ) dip ribs into Minwax marinespar varnish
> Thanks for any comments- Henry Williams
I dipped mine, but didn't tape anything off as there
is not much future gluing. I nailed them to the spars
per instructions from charlie ruprecht, the rib maker.
Del
http://health.yahoo.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com> |
Gesh Walt, this is worse than a DE asking me...
Uhhh...
Airworthiness Certificate
Registration
Radio Station/Operation/Somethin'LikeThat License
Operations Manual
Weight and Balance
I've never actually found or looked for all the separate regs. that define
these requirements it's just that it's what I was taught and it's what I
regurgitate when asked. Also, when I got my ticket, there were TSAs, ARSAs,
and towered/untowered airports and an emphasis on Loran, now its Class
A,B,C,D,E,G and GPS... so please double check ARROW for yourselves.
Robert Haines
Du Quoin, Illinois
> Robert,
> Please post descripting of "ARROW"
> walt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DJ Vegh" <aircamper(at)imagedv.com> |
Nowadays the second "R" in ARROW is not required for domestic flights.
No need to have the radio station license.
So now it's "AROW"
DJ Vegh
www.raptoronline.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Haines
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ARROW
-->
Gesh Walt, this is worse than a DE asking me...
Uhhh...
Airworthiness Certificate
Registration
Radio Station/Operation/Somethin'LikeThat License
Operations Manual
Weight and Balance
I've never actually found or looked for all the separate regs. that
define these requirements it's just that it's what I was taught and it's
what I regurgitate when asked. Also, when I got my ticket, there were
TSAs, ARSAs, and towered/untowered airports and an emphasis on Loran,
now its Class A,B,C,D,E,G and GPS... so please double check ARROW for
yourselves.
Robert Haines
Du Quoin, Illinois
> Robert,
> Please post descripting of "ARROW"
> walt
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| From: | "DJ Vegh" <aircamper(at)imagedv.com> |
| Subject: | PPL Checkride - PASSED!!! |
For those who may be interested, I enjoyed my experience so much that I
wrote a small narrative of it. :-)
It's located here:
http://www.imagedv.com/raptoronline/checkride.htm
DJ Vegh
www.raptoronline.com
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| From: | Patcoolnet(at)aol.com |
Hi Everyone,
As of this afternoon, I will be off AOL and connected to high speed access.
My new address will be: patcoolnet(at)attbi.com
I have tried to get into www.matronics.com/subscription several times to
change me over--just the server is different--but the site is not working.
Can someone pass this on or suggest a cure? Until I remove AOL from my
computer I will check e mail. Hopefully, I have unsubbed to all but this
list and notified my personal e mailers.
Thanks,
Pat
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| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | AirCamper valve covers |
Howdy, folks; can someone tell me who sells the "Air Camper" valve covers
for the Corvair engine?
And as long as I'm on the podium, may I also congratulate DJ on getting his
Private ticket. I took my checkride some 21 years ago with a fine gent
named Andy Anderson, out at David Wayne Hooks airport in Houston (first time
I ever saw a water runway, too). As he signed my logbook, Andy said back
when he was in the Navy in WWII they were turning pilots loose in AT's (and
even fighters) with half the hours I had, which was about 50 at that time.
He said I'd do just fine, and that was a great encouragement to me.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Harry21556(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: AirCamper valve covers |
Valve Covers for
Corvair/Pietenpol Air Camper
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: PPL Checkride - PASSED!!! |
| From: | Mike <bike.mike(at)verizon.net> |
I read your narrative, DJ. Normally I think it isn't a good idea to be
instructed by someone you're related to. However, it sounds like your dad
did a superb job of preparing you and that you did a superb job of learning.
Congratulations.
I hope you took that tall and gorgeous lady of yours for a ride the same
day.
Mike
on 7/31/02 7:52, DJ Vegh at aircamper(at)imagedv.com wrote:
>
> For those who may be interested, I enjoyed my experience so much that I
> wrote a small narrative of it. :-)
>
> It's located here:
>
> http://www.imagedv.com/raptoronline/checkride.htm
>
> DJ Vegh
> www.raptoronline.com
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DJ Vegh" <aircamper(at)imagedv.com> |
| Subject: | PPL Checkride - PASSED!!! |
There were a couple times where my dad and I had some difficulty with
each other.... He was cool about it and suggested I use another
instructor for a couple hours to get over the hump I was having trouble
with. I did and it worked... The other instructor gave me 3 hours of
dual and showed me a different way than my dad had been which helped.
After that he was back with me to finish it off. And yep... My
girlfriend is going to be my first passenger tommorow morning. We're
going to rent a 172 and check out the lakes northeast of phoenix.
DJ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PPL Checkride - PASSED!!!
I read your narrative, DJ. Normally I think it isn't a good idea to be
instructed by someone you're related to. However, it sounds like your
dad did a superb job of preparing you and that you did a superb job of
learning. Congratulations. I hope you took that tall and gorgeous lady
of yours for a ride the same day.
Mike
on 7/31/02 7:52, DJ Vegh at aircamper(at)imagedv.com wrote:
> -->
>
> For those who may be interested, I enjoyed my experience so much that
> I wrote a small narrative of it. :-)
>
> It's located here:
>
> http://www.imagedv.com/raptoronline/checkride.htm
>
> DJ Vegh
> www.raptoronline.com
>
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Needa little hep |
Pieters,
I'm just before taking my bride out to a fancy cocktail buffet being hosted
by a most influential widow of our glorious South. While I'll be away from
this machine I hope maybe I will get a response from one or two of the most
experienced ones on engines.
PROBLEM: Started A-65 on first pull, ran beautiful with eight new plugs. Then
I wanted to see what static was so I got it to 2200 then it started popping
for a moment and stopped. I throttled back quickly and saved the idle. I
continually repeated this sequence but at lower RPM's. For instance at 1800
she runs for about 10 or 15 seconds and pops-stops. Fuel starvation, I think.
I have checked the fuel flow at the carb and is one gallon in 53 seconds
which should be enough. Somewhere between that nipple and the carb throat
there is a restriction. May I have your suggestions.........Pleeeeeeeeeese.
Corky in La so close but yet so far
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| From: | del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | PPL Checkride - PASSED!!! |
And
> yep... My
> girlfriend is going to be my first passenger
> tommorow morning. We're
> going to rent a 172 and check out the lakes
> northeast of phoenix.
just a note of caution, remember you now have a
license to learn. take small baby steps as you
progress, don't take your girlfreind up unless its
absolutly perfect, you don't "have" to go, ever. its
no fun getting caught in a cloud, or too big of a
crosswind right away. coming from a guy who learned
the hard way.
Del
http://health.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: PPL Checkride - PASSED!!! |
In a message dated 7/31/02 5:26:13 PM Central Daylight Time,
aircamper(at)imagedv.com writes:
<< My
girlfriend is going to be my first passenger tommorow morning. We're
going to rent a 172 and check out the lakes northeast of phoenix. >>
Congrats, DJ !!
Maybe you can fly up to Benton KS, for the Pietenpol Fly-In, on Oct. 12.
Chuck Gantzer
Wichita KS
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| Subject: | Another OKC builder / Benton KS fly in |
| From: | "Kent Hallsten" <KHallsten(at)governair.com> |
I had a phone call from another Piet builder here in OKC, and he hasn't been on
the list yet, but he will be soon. Marshall Alexander bought a project almost
complete, and he saw Gary's "My Kit plane" builders site, where he found me.
So when he joins he can tell everyone about his project.
Marshall is coming by tonight to look at my project, and this weekend I'm heading
out to his hangar to try on a Piet for the first time. My morale needs a boost
now, not much building as it's too hot to spend a lot of time in the sweatbox
garage. But I got a bunch of ribs to show him.
I'm looking forward to the Oct. 12 Fly-in. Marshall and I have agreed to drive
together, and any other TX, OK builders heading north contact me. We can use
my 7 passenger van , with TV, and watch Mike Cuy's video on the drive up!
So would it be good to arrive Friday the 11th, or is it really just Saturday only?
Kent Hallsten
Oklahoma City
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| From: | Borodent(at)aol.com |
thanks Del for reply
I think I will tentatively nail ribs, then when all is set, glue to spars and
sink nails,
Does anyone see a reason to not glue ribs to spars
Henry Williams
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| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
| Subject: | Another OKC builder / Benton KS fly in |
Hello Kent. Is there more info on the Benton fly in?
-Gary
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kent
> Hallsten
> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:35 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another OKC builder / Benton KS fly in
>
>
>
>
>
> I had a phone call from another Piet builder here in OKC, and he
> hasn't been on the list yet, but he will be soon. Marshall
> Alexander bought a project almost complete, and he saw Gary's "My
> Kit plane" builders site, where he found me. So when he joins he
> can tell everyone about his project.
>
> Marshall is coming by tonight to look at my project, and this
> weekend I'm heading out to his hangar to try on a Piet for the
> first time. My morale needs a boost now, not much building as
> it's too hot to spend a lot of time in the sweatbox garage. But
> I got a bunch of ribs to show him.
>
> I'm looking forward to the Oct. 12 Fly-in. Marshall and I have
> agreed to drive together, and any other TX, OK builders heading
> north contact me. We can use my 7 passenger van , with TV, and
> watch Mike Cuy's video on the drive up! So would it be good to
> arrive Friday the 11th, or is it really just Saturday only?
>
> Kent Hallsten
> Oklahoma City
>
>
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| From: | Walter Allen <overalles45(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Ford Engine/Benton KS Fly In |
I have a 1985 Ford 1.6 liter Ford Engine that is
converted for Pietenpol use. The motor has a 2.5 to 1
factory prop reduction. The motor weighs 234 lbs dry,
and has electric start. I am in the process of putting
an exhaust on it right now then I am going to put it
on a test stand and start it. If anyone is interested
in purchasing this motor I will hopefully be bringing
it to Benton KS on a trailer. Let me know if anyone
has any interest. P.S. the manual on this motor says
it produces between 80 and 100 HP.
Thanks
--- "Gary McNeel, Jr." wrote:
> Jr."
>
> Hello Kent. Is there more info on the Benton fly in?
>
> -Gary
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of Kent
> > Hallsten
> > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:35 AM
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another OKC builder /
> Benton KS fly in
> >
> >
> Hallsten"
> >
> >
> >
> > I had a phone call from another Piet builder here
> in OKC, and he
> > hasn't been on the list yet, but he will be soon.
> Marshall
> > Alexander bought a project almost complete, and he
> saw Gary's "My
> > Kit plane" builders site, where he found me. So
> when he joins he
> > can tell everyone about his project.
> >
> > Marshall is coming by tonight to look at my
> project, and this
> > weekend I'm heading out to his hangar to try on a
> Piet for the
> > first time. My morale needs a boost now, not much
> building as
> > it's too hot to spend a lot of time in the
> sweatbox garage. But
> > I got a bunch of ribs to show him.
> >
> > I'm looking forward to the Oct. 12 Fly-in.
> Marshall and I have
> > agreed to drive together, and any other TX, OK
> builders heading
> > north contact me. We can use my 7 passenger van ,
> with TV, and
> > watch Mike Cuy's video on the drive up! So
> would it be good to
> > arrive Friday the 11th, or is it really just
> Saturday only?
> >
> > Kent Hallsten
> > Oklahoma City
> >
> >
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| From: | "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard(at)titan.com> |
I sure hope not--I did...
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Borodent(at)aol.com [mailto:Borodent(at)aol.com]
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib sealing
thanks Del for reply
I think I will tentatively nail ribs, then when all is set, glue to spars
and
sink nails,
Does anyone see a reason to not glue ribs to spars
Henry Williams
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| From: | "Michael Brusilow" <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net> |
----- Original Message -----
From: Borodent(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib sealing
thanks Del for reply
I think I will tentatively nail ribs, then when all is set, glue to
spars and
sink nails,
Does anyone see a reason to not glue ribs to spars
Henry Williams
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NO! I did it.
Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )
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| From: | "Michael Brusilow" <mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Someone asked me about 0-200 specs.
I my dotage, I deleted the message. If he would email me again, I wil be
glad to respond.
Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )
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| Subject: | Benton Fly - In Info |
I guess I'm the official Benton Fly-In organizer. I can afford all the
time needed to organize it, but don't really have funds to spend much money
on it, especially if nobody showed up. So, it is just a get together of
people who build and fly our favorite plane, or any plane, for that matter.
I have a little ten dolor grill out there, if somebody wanted to bring some
burgers, and if you want something to drink...well ya better bring your own
stocked cooler. If enough interest is generated, I guess I could get one of
those rent - a - porta - jons, then have a donation can to collect the $60 or
$70 for it (I'm not really sure how much it costs), or any other costs for
that matter. I've already spent about 30 bucks on scanning and copying
articles on Pietenpols, in an effort to spread the word about Pietenpols to
anyone who is 'considering' building one. There is no camping allowed at
Benton Airpark, but just a few miles away is a couple of lakes, where camping
is allowed. Or you could probably find a Motel / Hotel within 10 or 15 miles.
I have a detailed photo log of the entire construction of NX770CG, and
will have some reference copies of the plans. Doug & I could probably talk
anybody's ears off, all day long, about building & flying Pietenpols. Doug
bought a J3 Cub, and has voiced the probability of selling his plane, as well
as the Sky Scout project that he has well under way, sitting in my hanger.
So, c'mon out to the fly-in, and make a deal !!
There is several projects in the Wichita area, and hopefully they will
bring what they have completed. Hey Leon, ya think you could bring your
Model A engine, and what ever else ya got done?
It would be fantastic, and well worth my effort, if we had a van full
Pietenpolers from Tex / Okla show up. My question is how many people would
make the trip to Benton, and when would you like to have it? ? ? I took that
Friday off work, so I could be out there most any time the weekend of the
12th. The reason we changed it to October, was the quest for better flying
weather, as compared to September. I will certainly be flying mine, and Doug
will most likely be flying his...weather permitting.
I flew for an hour this evening, did six landing / back taxi / take -
off's. YEEEEE HAAAWWW !!! I just can't put into words, what it's like
flying a Pietenpol...ya just hafta experience it.
Chuck Gantzer
p.s. Please post questions, suggestions and comments about the fly - in.
In about a month, I'm going to make a list of folks who think they will show
up.
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| Subject: | Benton Fly - In Info |
| From: | "Kent Hallsten" <KHallsten(at)governair.com> |
Good to hear this news, Chuck. At least two of us from the OKC city area will
be driving up Saturday morning. Marshall said you are only a couple hours away,
and he went to Benton the last time. Remember him maybe? Anyway, he and I
will be there. Maybe his brother too.
Tomorrow I will visit his hangar to check out his Piet project, and he mentioned
we may take his 150 to the Tulsa area to check on the Piet people he knows
about up there. I need to remember my camera. Any Tulsa guys monitoring the
list lately, speak up, we want to see your stuff, and get you to go to Benton
on Oct.12. Jim Ballew maybe?
Kent Hallsten
Oklahoma City
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| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | A good reason to use metal cans.. |
As corky just sent out, refueling is dangerous, even moreso when one uses a
plastic container to pour from as it is very difficult to ground a plastic
gas can. With steel, you can ground the can to the funnel to the tank
before you start the pour but the plastic cans don't work the same way.
There was a guy refueling is luscombe a few years back from a plastic can
and the static discharged and lit up the vapors. He even had a ground strap
to the can and to the aircraft and to the earth but apparently a potential
can still exist from one end of the plastic can to the other. I have heard
of other cases as well, especially with plastic bedliners in pickup trucks
arcing over the side to the gas tank neck vicinity.
Use steel cans...
Chris Bobka
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
Pieters,
For those who might be interested, I towed the fuse to the airport today.
Assembled all the parts and put scales under all wheels after leveling. Did
it twice to be sure. Maybe I made the same mistakes each time. Anyway here
are the figures.
Empty weight. 574 lbs
On the W & B I measured 7 inches from leading edge to axle center of the
mains. From the mains 169 in to the axle center of the tail wheel.
Left wheel 279
Right 281
Tail 14
I figured my empty CG to be 11.12 inches
How close am I ?
Corky in La feeling pretty good tonight. I'll write the Fedman tonite to come
take a look.
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| From: | "walter evans" <wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Corky,
Thanks for the update, I'm getting very close to the same point myself.
Just finishing up the thousand things waiting for my
" Cover-It" hanger to come.
so much stuff, so little time.
Corky, have you posted any pictures?
walt
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky(at)aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: w & b
>
> Pieters,
> For those who might be interested, I towed the fuse to the airport today.
> Assembled all the parts and put scales under all wheels after leveling.
Did
> it twice to be sure. Maybe I made the same mistakes each time. Anyway here
> are the figures.
> Empty weight. 574 lbs
> On the W & B I measured 7 inches from leading edge to axle center of the
> mains. From the mains 169 in to the axle center of the tail wheel.
> Left wheel 279
> Right 281
> Tail 14
> I figured my empty CG to be 11.12 inches
>
> How close am I ?
>
> Corky in La feeling pretty good tonight. I'll write the Fedman tonite to
come
> take a look.
>
>
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| From: | "Chad and Susan Johnson" <chadnsue(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | PietsOfThePrarie |
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| From: | "John Dilatush" <dilatush(at)amigo.net> |
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky(at)aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: w & b
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Corky,
Are you using the leading edge of the wing as your datum? If so, is the
centerline of the axle 7" in front or back of the datum?
John
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Pieters,
> For those who might be interested, I towed the fuse to the airport today.
> Assembled all the parts and put scales under all wheels after leveling.
Did
> it twice to be sure. Maybe I made the same mistakes each time. Anyway here
> are the figures.
> Empty weight. 574 lbs
> On the W & B I measured 7 inches from leading edge to axle center of the
> mains. From the mains 169 in to the axle center of the tail wheel.
> Left wheel 279
> Right 281
> Tail 14
> I figured my empty CG to be 11.12 inches
>
> How close am I ?
>
> Corky in La feeling pretty good tonight. I'll write the Fedman tonite to
come
> take a look.
>
>
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
John,
The plumb line from the leading edge measured 7 inches FORWARD of the main
gear axle center.
Corky
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
Pieters,
Today I plan to continue the W & B to include 8 gal of fuel, 4 qts oil and a
130 pound pilot in the rear hole. Then I will conclude with a 190 pound pilot
(me) in the hole.
I'll report these findings later today.
I only hope that with this last reading the figure will be 15 inches which of
course is the desirable 25% of the chord.
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| From: | Seibert Bob-r18643 <Bob.Seibert(at)motorola.com> |
Well, I got a kitchen pass from the boss for Oct 12th.
My wife, Diane, usually likes to go to small get togethers but is tied up that
day.
I plan on flying up for the day in my RV6. IF weather conditons are good.
I will have an empty seat if somebody wants to share gas expenses.
Plan is to depart at the crack of VFR and arrive at Benton about 3 hours later.
~10AM arrival.
We would depart Benton to arrive before dark back at Macho Grande . ~2PM departure.
(no runway lights here)
If anybody in the Austin, TX area is interested, let me know and we can plan something.
(Macho Grande is about 25 miles NE of Austin.)
Bob Seibert
RV-6 with 1000 hours on it now!
Pietenpol 75% done and 75% to go.
PS- I just cut a lift strut 1 inch too short this weekend. Can anyone loan me some
cusswords? I ran out yesterday.
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| From: | Borodent(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 8/4/02 6:28:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Isablcorky(at)aol.com writes:
> On the W & B I measured 7 inches from leading edge to axle center of the
>
Corky, when you measured the distance from the LE to the main gear axle-- did
you make that measurment with the plane on its wheels-- or did you hike the
tail up so the plane was in level flying configuration and then take the
measurment (( which I 'm guessing is the correct way))?
Henry Williams
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| From: | "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Corky's feather-weight |
Corky-
After reading your letter over very closely it appears that your weight and balance
are pretty good BUT when you take the wings to the airport and attach them
you'll have a good deal more factual data with which to calculate ;-) Remember
too, that weight and balance has to be with the pilot
on board to be meaningful.
I weighed my Piet with bathroom scales the first time and came in at 100# lighter
than the subsequent two weighings with digital scales...........be careful!!!
Larry
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
Pieters,
Is my face red. I've repeatedly reminded the list as to what a real dumbass I
am. Well, I proved it by anouncing those W & B results of those bathroom
scales from yesterday. WIPE OUT ALL THE WEIGHT INFO I'VE GIVEN YOU. IT'S
WRONG. ERASE THE BOARD.
This morning a friend knew a friend who had the real digital aircraft
certified scales. He came over with them, as he will not let them out of his
sight, weighed NX41CC and now I have the official figures. (Edwin it was
Steve Culp)
L Wheel 301
R Wheel 306
T Wheel 20
From leading edge vertical drop (datum) back to main axle center is 7 inches.
From main axle center to tail wheel axle center is 167.5 inches.
Would one of you in the W&B know how please figure this and post it on the
list for me. This is empty, no fuel or oil.
Corky in La with a red face
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Red Face Corky |
Correction:
Right Wheel 303 Forgot abut the tare of 3 lbs.
Total 624
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| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | good going, Corky |
Corky----don't beat yourself up, brother. You did the right thing by
getting a guy with some good scales. Know you know the accurate
weight----which is still excellent. Mine came in at 623 lbs. but like a
dumb butt, the first time it came it at something like 685 and I was a bit
sick.........but alas I just forgot to drain the fuel out of the tank
!!!! 627 is a great empty wt.
Let us know what your 190 lb. CG comes to. You have NOSE fuel so that is
really going to help you balance out. I know---- I weigh 190 and it flies
lots better on a full tank than on 1/4 of a tank. With me in the back and
low fuel, it still comes in at 19.5" aft of the LE.....which is still ok,
it just flies better with more fuel as you and your test pilot (Yeager)
will find out.
Mike C.
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| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
Corky,
I just want to make sure this is the whole aircraft, wings and tail surfaces
and all that stuff..AS it will be when ready to fly.
No fuel? No oil?
As the man said.... It is a good idea to put you in it on another wiegh in.
That way we can compute the exact position of the pilot seat. Then put some
poor soul in the front cockpit and weigh it one more time for the exact
postion of the front cockpit seat. No wiggling or farting so as to put an
error into the calculations.
chris bobka
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Red Face Corky
Correction:
Right Wheel 303 Forgot abut the tare of 3 lbs.
Total 624
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| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov> |
According to Tony Bingelis, the empty W&B should be done with no fuel, but
full oil.
Mike C.
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| From: | Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov> |
Corky---As long as you have the measurements from your datum (in your case
LE of the wing)
to each seat, the baggage area, the fuel tank, etc., you can just run
numbers on the calculator to figure each condition for CG. You don't need
to have anyone climb in or add or subtract fuel to get those
numbers. Don't do anymore work than is required----the datum points and
your empty CG numbers will allow you to calculate the rest.
Mike C.
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)charter.net> |
One must also take into account unusable fuel when weighing.
>
>
> According to Tony Bingelis, the empty W&B should be done with no fuel, but
> full oil.
>
> Mike C.
>
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| From: | "DJ Vegh" <aircamper(at)imagedv.com> |
yeah but empty weight should include unusable fuel.... right??
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
>
> According to Tony Bingelis, the empty W&B should be done with no fuel, but
> full oil.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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| From: | "Gene Rambo" <rambog(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Red Face Corky |
You don't care what the distance from the mains to the tailwheel is, just
from the datum to the tailwheel.
Using the numbers you give, here is the CG:
weight arm moment
mains 607 7 4249
tail 20 174.5 3490
aircraft 627 7739
Therefore the CG is the total moment divided by the total weight (7739/627),
or 12.34 inches aft of your datum. In my earlier response to you, I thought
your mains were ahead of the datum, there was the rub.
Gene
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Red Face Corky |
Thanks Gene,
I'm beginning to see the light. How does that figure look for an empty Piet?
Corky in La hoping for some bad weather and rain
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| From: | "Michael Conkling" <hpvs(at)southwind.net> |
No need to crawl in for you loaded W&B -- a seated pilot's CG is just about
at your belly-button ( about 9-10" forward of the seat back and 9"-10" above
the seat bottom) -- a plumb bob & tape measure should give you the distance
to the datum (wing L.E.??) or lay it out on a fuselage side view.
Mike C. in KS
> As the man said.... It is a good idea to put you in it on another wiegh
in.
> That way we can compute the exact position of the pilot seat. Then put
some
> poor soul in the front cockpit and weigh it one more time for the exact
> postion of the front cockpit seat. No wiggling or farting so as to put an
> error into the calculations.
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| From: | "Gene Rambo" <rambog(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Red Face Corky |
I have no idea how the CG should be for an empty Piet, maybe someone else
does. I agree with all of those who say that you need to figure with a
pilot and fuel, though. I would do it with a real person (and with two) and
fuel, because I am not sure how exact the locations would be for the CG of
the seats and fuel tank. Best to know exactly what you have.
Gene
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| From: | Gary Gower <ggower_99(at)yahoo.com> |
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http://health.yahoo.com
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| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
Did anyone see the first page of the Life section of USA TOday, Tuesday's
edition?
chris bobka
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| From: | "DJ Vegh" <aircamper(at)imagedv.com> |
Why keep us in suspense?! What did you see???
DJ
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone see it?
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Tuesday's edition?
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| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone see it? |
No Why are you on it as A&P of the year?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone see it?
Did anyone see the first page of the Life section of USA TOday, Tuesday's
edition?
chris bobka
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| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
The pietenpol made national news.
-----Original Message-----
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Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone see it?
Why keep us in suspense?! What did you see???
DJ
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| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
"taylorcraft"
| Subject: | the piet and tcraft articale in USA Today |
the pietenpol and tcraft made national news today.
Go to http://www.usatoday.com and look at the left hand column and it says
"print edition". Click on the life section and then look for the article to
click on whatever page comes up.
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| From: | steamlaunch(at)softhome.net |
Hello,
I have owned Pietplans since 1985 and was just inspired by a trip to
Broadhead. Can anyone tell me the advantages of using an NX registration vs
a Experimental Registration? Would I still be the builder of record apointed
the maintenence and privleages and responsibility?
Additionally the strut material on the 33' plans does not apear to be
available today, what are people using?
I have seen gross weights all over the map can anyone comment?
Matt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)startribune.com> |
Welcome Matt,
Your plane will be registered as an Experimental. If you use an "X" in
your
N-number you won't have to place the word "EXPERIMENTAL" on the
aircraft.
Either way has no bearing on your ability to apply for the repairmans
certificate.
Struts today are made of streamline tubing, round tubing that has been
faired, wood or aluminum. All work well but please use jury struts.
Gross weights vary because no two Piets are built the same. The
consensus is to build it as light as practical.
Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis
>>> steamlaunch(at)softhome.net 08/07/02 07:48AM >>>
Hello,
I have owned Pietplans since 1985 and was just inspired by a trip to
Broadhead. Can anyone tell me the advantages of using an NX registration
vs
a Experimental Registration? Would I still be the builder of record
apointed
the maintenence and privleages and responsibility?
Additionally the strut material on the 33' plans does not apear to be
available today, what are people using?
I have seen gross weights all over the map can anyone comment?
Matt
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gadd, Skip" <Skip.Gadd(at)ssa.gov> |
| Subject: | tenpol-List:Piets at Brodhead 2002 |
Here is my unofficial/official list of the Pietenpol's that showed up at the
flight line this year.
N/NX number Pilot/owner Color Engine
34KP Ken Perkins Orange/Cream Model A
17WR Bill Rewey Silver/Yellow C 65
1138D Dennis Hall Blue/Cream Model A
497AR Lowel Frank Blue/Silver Warner 145
46624 M Smith/G Karner Red/Cream Model A
899LW Larry Williams Yellow/Red Model A
799JK Jim Kinsella Cream/Red C 85
12941(Scout) Harmacinski Silver/Silver Model A*
Pardon any mistakes.
*Doc's book says this Scout was built by Pietenpol in 1932.
It was a little hot this year, but I had a great time and believe the Piets
this year were quality rather than quantity.
Skip
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "malcolm Zirges" <macz(at)macsells.com> |
| Subject: | Re: tenpol-List:Piets at Brodhead 2002 |
Hello Skip.
There was also a red scout that came out of the hangers on the field and
flew a couple of times. It had a Model A engine with the radiator inset
into the lower cowl. I didn't get the numbers for it, though.
Mac in Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gadd, Skip" <Skip.Gadd(at)ssa.gov>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List:Piets at Brodhead 2002
>
>
> Here is my unofficial/official list of the Pietenpol's that showed up at
the
> flight line this year.
>
> N/NX number Pilot/owner Color Engine
> 34KP Ken Perkins Orange/Cream Model A
> 17WR Bill Rewey Silver/Yellow C 65
> 1138D Dennis Hall Blue/Cream Model A
> 497AR Lowel Frank Blue/Silver Warner 145
> 46624 M Smith/G Karner Red/Cream Model A
> 899LW Larry Williams Yellow/Red Model A
> 799JK Jim Kinsella Cream/Red C 85
> 12941(Scout) Harmacinski Silver/Silver Model A*
>
> Pardon any mistakes.
> *Doc's book says this Scout was built by Pietenpol in 1932.
>
> It was a little hot this year, but I had a great time and believe the
Piets
> this year were quality rather than quantity.
> Skip
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gadd, Skip" <Skip.Gadd(at)ssa.gov> |
| Subject: | tenpol-List:Piets at Brodhead 2002 |
Mac
I believe that was 12941, I never talked to the guy but did get that number
off the red scout with the radiator inset and looked it up in Doc's book
when I got home.
BTW I received my copy of Kim Stricker's 2002 Brodhead tape, its great!
Skip
---
There was also a red scout that came out of the hangers on the field and
flew a couple of times. It had a Model A engine with the radiator inset
into the lower cowl. I didn't get the numbers for it, though.
Mac in Oregon
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| Subject: | tenpol-List:Piets at Brodhead 2002 |
| From: | "Kent Hallsten" <KHallsten(at)governair.com> |
BTW I received my copy of Kim Stricker's 2002 Brodhead tape, its great!
Skip
---
Skip,
What is this tape? Something available for purchase?
Kent Hallsten
Oklahoma City
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| From: | flyboy_120(at)webtv.net (Ed G.) |
Kip....I have learned the hard way to always make the wood parts to the
plans and then use the plans as a guide to make the metal parts up to
fit the wood parts.
I would not leave the plywood plates off as they are what keeps the
spars from spltting under the pressure of the struts pulling the bolts
into the end grain of the spruce. I have also read that most builders
change the angle of the spar fittings so that they line up with the lift
struts. Hope that helps. Opinions may vary. Ed G.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | flyboy_120(at)webtv.net (Ed G.) |
| Subject: | Re: Dammits, etc. (serious question) |
Yeah He does thrive on abuse ....dosen't he
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Dammits, etc. (serious question) |
>
>
>Made the fittings fatter. I had posed this question to my mentor/AP back
>when I got the plans. He pointed to the center area and the root area of
>the spar, and said that anywhere fittings like that go on the spar, it has
>to be sheathed in ply to carry the strength of the bolt to the whole spar,
>and it won't split.
>Stands to reason, if the brackets in the center of the wing that come from
>the wing struts, weren't plyed, the brackets would only hold the spar from
>the uppermost bolt downward. It's trying to split the spar in pieces. but
>with the ply, it's pulling on the whole spar all the way to the top. ( If
>that makes sense)
>walt
>
>
> What have you guys who used 1" spars done? Left off the plywood or
>> made the fittings fatter?
>>
>> Thanks for any help in solving yet another of the mysteries of the plans.
Ed & Walt,
Thanks! That all makes sense to me. Everybody always says 'build to the
plans', but that creates interesting dilemmas sometimes. I'd hate to see
what a truly 'to the plans' Piet would turn out looking like:)!
Kip Gardner
426 Schneider St. SE
North Canton, OH 44720
(330) 494-1775
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| From: | "DJ Vegh" <aircamper(at)imagedv.com> |
| Subject: | Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber |
Just a note to those that may be interested,
There's a new forum for "Homebuilts/Kitplanes" located at The Hobby
Forum site. It's new and traffic is low, but maybe you might wish to
stop by sometime and see if any topics pick your interest.... It
located here:
http://www.thehobbyforum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=170
On another note....... Whats the general concensus on Latex vs. Polytone
finish on Poly Fiber. I visited a friend today who just finished
painting his Aeronca Champ wings with Poly-Tone and the finish is of
course beautiful. However, it is also very expensive. He said he used
about 6 gallons just on the wings.
I've been hearing about the latex method and I think at one point there
was some discussion about it but I never really rememeber there being
strong opinion against it. I'd sure like to save an easy $1800 in paint
and latex sounds good, but not at the expense of safety.
DJ
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| From: | "skycarl" <skycarl(at)megsinet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber |
DJ,,, In the for what its worth dept.. Guys on here have had their latex
paint jobs for over 10 years and still going strong. Check out the archives.
I have brushed, rolled and now sprayed the latex on mine and I wish I had
sprayed from the beginning.
I have been using sher-will paint and I feel the brushing of the first coat
and spraying the rest is the best technique for me.
Carl L. building longer than he thought he would be ;)
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh <aircamper(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber
>
> Just a note to those that may be interested,
>
> There's a new forum for "Homebuilts/Kitplanes" located at The Hobby
> Forum site. It's new and traffic is low, but maybe you might wish to
> stop by sometime and see if any topics pick your interest.... It
> located here:
>
> http://www.thehobbyforum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=170
>
> On another note....... Whats the general concensus on Latex vs. Polytone
> finish on Poly Fiber. I visited a friend today who just finished
> painting his Aeronca Champ wings with Poly-Tone and the finish is of
> course beautiful. However, it is also very expensive. He said he used
> about 6 gallons just on the wings.
>
> I've been hearing about the latex method and I think at one point there
> was some discussion about it but I never really rememeber there being
> strong opinion against it. I'd sure like to save an easy $1800 in paint
> and latex sounds good, but not at the expense of safety.
>
> DJ
>
>
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| From: | "Richard Navratril" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber |
I agree with Carl. I brushed on the first two coats of latex and wet
sanded, then rolled on coats wet sanding between each coat now I'll be
spraying on the last. I will flip the wing over and use the sprayer on the
top side. Using Sherwin Williams best.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "skycarl" <skycarl(at)megsinet.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber
>
> DJ,,, In the for what its worth dept.. Guys on here have had their latex
> paint jobs for over 10 years and still going strong. Check out the
archives.
> I have brushed, rolled and now sprayed the latex on mine and I wish I had
> sprayed from the beginning.
> I have been using sher-will paint and I feel the brushing of the first
coat
> and spraying the rest is the best technique for me.
> Carl L. building longer than he thought he would be ;)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DJ Vegh <aircamper(at)imagedv.com>
> To:
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber
>
>
> >
> > Just a note to those that may be interested,
> >
> > There's a new forum for "Homebuilts/Kitplanes" located at The Hobby
> > Forum site. It's new and traffic is low, but maybe you might wish to
> > stop by sometime and see if any topics pick your interest.... It
> > located here:
> >
> > http://www.thehobbyforum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=170
> >
> > On another note....... Whats the general concensus on Latex vs. Polytone
> > finish on Poly Fiber. I visited a friend today who just finished
> > painting his Aeronca Champ wings with Poly-Tone and the finish is of
> > course beautiful. However, it is also very expensive. He said he used
> > about 6 gallons just on the wings.
> >
> > I've been hearing about the latex method and I think at one point there
> > was some discussion about it but I never really rememeber there being
> > strong opinion against it. I'd sure like to save an easy $1800 in paint
> > and latex sounds good, but not at the expense of safety.
> >
> > DJ
> >
> >
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| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
| Subject: | Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber |
Are you guys using gloss, semi-gloss, satin (not likely)?
Also, I have a wee dilemma. I am building my son and 1/2 scale little
something plane (polyglot of what I think is cool). I am starting to cover
it with .96 cent muslin. Any thoughts on shrinking it down. I am trying to
keep the complete cost of building it under $100. So far I am at about $55,
maybe $60. All the cements and dopes are so expensive. Any ideas? I did test
of the vertical stab. I just 'painted' the material on. No problem, sticks
like glue and should hold up well. Used house paint. But it is sort of
flabby, I cannot seem to get it really tightened.
It should be a (somewhat) non-flammable solution. I don't want a backyard
plane just waiting to go through rapid spontaneous combustion. ;)-
Anyone have any old out of date dope or such laying around? I promise not to
use it on real plane.
Thanks.
-Gary McNeel (in sweatbox Houston being thankful his A/C only had a blown
breaker)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard
> Navratril
> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:34 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber
>
>
>
>
> I agree with Carl. I brushed on the first two coats of latex and wet
> sanded, then rolled on coats wet sanding between each coat now I'll be
> spraying on the last. I will flip the wing over and use the
> sprayer on the
> top side. Using Sherwin Williams best.
> Dick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "skycarl" <skycarl(at)megsinet.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber
>
>
> >
> > DJ,,, In the for what its worth dept.. Guys on here have had their latex
> > paint jobs for over 10 years and still going strong. Check out the
> archives.
> > I have brushed, rolled and now sprayed the latex on mine and I
> wish I had
> > sprayed from the beginning.
> > I have been using sher-will paint and I feel the brushing of the first
> coat
> > and spraying the rest is the best technique for me.
> > Carl L. building longer than he thought he would be ;)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: DJ Vegh <aircamper(at)imagedv.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber
> >
> >
>
> > >
> > > Just a note to those that may be interested,
> > >
> > > There's a new forum for "Homebuilts/Kitplanes" located at The Hobby
> > > Forum site. It's new and traffic is low, but maybe you might wish to
> > > stop by sometime and see if any topics pick your interest.... It
> > > located here:
> > >
> > > http://www.thehobbyforum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=170
> > >
> > > On another note....... Whats the general concensus on Latex
> vs. Polytone
> > > finish on Poly Fiber. I visited a friend today who just finished
> > > painting his Aeronca Champ wings with Poly-Tone and the finish is of
> > > course beautiful. However, it is also very expensive. He
> said he used
> > > about 6 gallons just on the wings.
> > >
> > > I've been hearing about the latex method and I think at one
> point there
> > > was some discussion about it but I never really rememeber there being
> > > strong opinion against it. I'd sure like to save an easy
> $1800 in paint
> > > and latex sounds good, but not at the expense of safety.
> > >
> > > DJ
> > >
> > >
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| From: | steamlaunch(at)softhome.net |
| Subject: | Re: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber |
Richard What is under the Latex?
Matt
Richard Navratril writes:
>
> I agree with Carl. I brushed on the first two coats of latex and wet
> sanded, then rolled on coats wet sanding between each coat now I'll be
> spraying on the last. I will flip the wing over and use the sprayer on the
> top side. Using Sherwin Williams best.
> Dick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "skycarl" <skycarl(at)megsinet.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber
>
>
>>
>> DJ,,, In the for what its worth dept.. Guys on here have had their latex
>> paint jobs for over 10 years and still going strong. Check out the
> archives.
>> I have brushed, rolled and now sprayed the latex on mine and I wish I had
>> sprayed from the beginning.
>> I have been using sher-will paint and I feel the brushing of the first
> coat
>> and spraying the rest is the best technique for me.
>> Carl L. building longer than he thought he would be ;)
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: DJ Vegh <aircamper(at)imagedv.com>
>> To:
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Just a note to those that may be interested,
>> >
>> > There's a new forum for "Homebuilts/Kitplanes" located at The Hobby
>> > Forum site. It's new and traffic is low, but maybe you might wish to
>> > stop by sometime and see if any topics pick your interest.... It
>> > located here:
>> >
>> > http://www.thehobbyforum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=170
>> >
>> > On another note....... Whats the general concensus on Latex vs. Polytone
>> > finish on Poly Fiber. I visited a friend today who just finished
>> > painting his Aeronca Champ wings with Poly-Tone and the finish is of
>> > course beautiful. However, it is also very expensive. He said he used
>> > about 6 gallons just on the wings.
>> >
>> > I've been hearing about the latex method and I think at one point there
>> > was some discussion about it but I never really rememeber there being
>> > strong opinion against it. I'd sure like to save an easy $1800 in paint
>> > and latex sounds good, but not at the expense of safety.
>> >
>> > DJ
>> >
>> >
>> > This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing
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>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "skycarl" <skycarl(at)megsinet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber |
Gary, I used the flat gray for my primer as a uv protectant. It went on
great.
Then I used the gloss for my final color ( cub yellow) and had a real hard
time
with it. I ended up using satin and it looks a lot like the old dope finish.
I believe the only way you can get muslin to shrink is with dope.
You might want to consider the uncertified dacron. AS&S has it real
reasonable.
Carl L.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary McNeel, Jr. <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber
>
> Are you guys using gloss, semi-gloss, satin (not likely)?
>
> Also, I have a wee dilemma. I am building my son and 1/2 scale little
> something plane (polyglot of what I think is cool). I am starting to cover
> it with .96 cent muslin. Any thoughts on shrinking it down. I am trying to
> keep the complete cost of building it under $100. So far I am at about
$55,
> maybe $60. All the cements and dopes are so expensive. Any ideas? I did
test
> of the vertical stab. I just 'painted' the material on. No problem, sticks
> like glue and should hold up well. Used house paint. But it is sort of
> flabby, I cannot seem to get it really tightened.
>
> It should be a (somewhat) non-flammable solution. I don't want a backyard
> plane just waiting to go through rapid spontaneous combustion. ;)-
>
> Anyone have any old out of date dope or such laying around? I promise not
to
> use it on real plane.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Gary McNeel (in sweatbox Houston being thankful his A/C only had a blown
> breaker)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard
> > Navratril
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:34 PM
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I agree with Carl. I brushed on the first two coats of latex and wet
> > sanded, then rolled on coats wet sanding between each coat now I'll be
> > spraying on the last. I will flip the wing over and use the
> > sprayer on the
> > top side. Using Sherwin Williams best.
> > Dick
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "skycarl" <skycarl(at)megsinet.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber
> >
> >
> > >
> > > DJ,,, In the for what its worth dept.. Guys on here have had their
latex
> > > paint jobs for over 10 years and still going strong. Check out the
> > archives.
> > > I have brushed, rolled and now sprayed the latex on mine and I
> > wish I had
> > > sprayed from the beginning.
> > > I have been using sher-will paint and I feel the brushing of the first
> > coat
> > > and spraying the rest is the best technique for me.
> > > Carl L. building longer than he thought he would be ;)
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: DJ Vegh <aircamper(at)imagedv.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> > > > Just a note to those that may be interested,
> > > >
> > > > There's a new forum for "Homebuilts/Kitplanes" located at The Hobby
> > > > Forum site. It's new and traffic is low, but maybe you might wish to
> > > > stop by sometime and see if any topics pick your interest.... It
> > > > located here:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.thehobbyforum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=170
> > > >
> > > > On another note....... Whats the general concensus on Latex
> > vs. Polytone
> > > > finish on Poly Fiber. I visited a friend today who just finished
> > > > painting his Aeronca Champ wings with Poly-Tone and the finish is of
> > > > course beautiful. However, it is also very expensive. He
> > said he used
> > > > about 6 gallons just on the wings.
> > > >
> > > > I've been hearing about the latex method and I think at one
> > point there
> > > > was some discussion about it but I never really rememeber there
being
> > > > strong opinion against it. I'd sure like to save an easy
> > $1800 in paint
> > > > and latex sounds good, but not at the expense of safety.
> > > >
> > > > DJ
> > > >
> > > >
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| From: | lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan) |
| Subject: | Dammits-serious question |
I have a box full of dammits strictly because I built to the plans. One
day in the here after, I'm going to set down on a cloud with Bernie and
he is going to get an ear full about his plans. On the serious side: I
have just made and fitted the little wood wedges that go above the spar,
under the rib cap strip for my center section. Only had to deal with 4
of them and they were a real pain. I'll need to make a zillion more for
the wings.It got me thinking. Instead of the wedges, could one use the
epoxy puddy that ASC sells to fill this space? Or maybe make my own
puddy with T-88 mixed with cotton flock as a filler? Simply trowell it
in with a knife or the handy man wood airplane builders secret weapon,
the popsickle stick.. Any suggestions? Thanks, Leon Stefan. PS, At
Brodhead I talked to a lister about the "Kerri Ann" Price front cockpit
door. You gave me your card, but I must have lost it. Drop me a note.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Dammits-serious question |
I
> have just made and fitted the little wood wedges
> that go above the spar,
> under the rib cap strip for my center section. Only
> had to deal with 4
> of them and they were a real pain. I'll need to make
> a zillion more for
> the wings.It got me thinking. Instead of the wedges,
> could one use the
> epoxy puddy that ASC sells to fill this space? Or
> maybe make my own
> puddy with T-88 mixed with cotton flock as a filler?
> Simply trowell it
> in with a knife or the handy man wood airplane
> builders secret weapon,
> the popsickle stick..
Hi'
I made the wood pieces, but made them all of the same
size to fit the narrowest gap, and then let the t-88's
gap filling feature help me out the rest of the way.
Del
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| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
| Subject: | Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber |
Thanks Carl. I will look at the AS&S stuff. -Gary
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of skycarl
> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 9:04 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber
>
>
> Gary, I used the flat gray for my primer as a uv protectant. It went on
> great.
> Then I used the gloss for my final color ( cub yellow) and had a real hard
> time
> with it. I ended up using satin and it looks a lot like the old
> dope finish.
> I believe the only way you can get muslin to shrink is with dope.
> You might want to consider the uncertified dacron. AS&S has it real
> reasonable.
> Carl L.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary McNeel, Jr. <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com>
> To:
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber
>
>
>
> >
> > Are you guys using gloss, semi-gloss, satin (not likely)?
> >
> > Also, I have a wee dilemma. I am building my son and 1/2 scale little
> > something plane (polyglot of what I think is cool). I am
> starting to cover
> > it with .96 cent muslin. Any thoughts on shrinking it down. I
> am trying to
> > keep the complete cost of building it under $100. So far I am at about
> $55,
> > maybe $60. All the cements and dopes are so expensive. Any ideas? I did
> test
> > of the vertical stab. I just 'painted' the material on. No
> problem, sticks
> > like glue and should hold up well. Used house paint. But it is sort of
> > flabby, I cannot seem to get it really tightened.
> >
> > It should be a (somewhat) non-flammable solution. I don't want
> a backyard
> > plane just waiting to go through rapid spontaneous combustion. ;)-
> >
> > Anyone have any old out of date dope or such laying around? I
> promise not
> to
> > use it on real plane.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > -Gary McNeel (in sweatbox Houston being thankful his A/C only
> had a blown
> > breaker)
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard
> > > Navratril
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:34 PM
> > > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree with Carl. I brushed on the first two coats of latex and wet
> > > sanded, then rolled on coats wet sanding between each coat now I'll be
> > > spraying on the last. I will flip the wing over and use the
> > > sprayer on the
> > > top side. Using Sherwin Williams best.
> > > Dick
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "skycarl" <skycarl(at)megsinet.net>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber
> > >
> > >
>
> > > >
> > > > DJ,,, In the for what its worth dept.. Guys on here have had their
> latex
> > > > paint jobs for over 10 years and still going strong. Check out the
> > > archives.
> > > > I have brushed, rolled and now sprayed the latex on mine and I
> > > wish I had
> > > > sprayed from the beginning.
> > > > I have been using sher-will paint and I feel the brushing
> of the first
> > > coat
> > > > and spraying the rest is the best technique for me.
> > > > Carl L. building longer than he thought he would be ;)
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: DJ Vegh <aircamper(at)imagedv.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Just a note to those that may be interested,
> > > > >
> > > > > There's a new forum for "Homebuilts/Kitplanes" located at
> The Hobby
> > > > > Forum site. It's new and traffic is low, but maybe you
> might wish to
> > > > > stop by sometime and see if any topics pick your interest.... It
> > > > > located here:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.thehobbyforum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=170
> > > > >
> > > > > On another note....... Whats the general concensus on Latex
> > > vs. Polytone
> > > > > finish on Poly Fiber. I visited a friend today who just finished
> > > > > painting his Aeronca Champ wings with Poly-Tone and the
> finish is of
> > > > > course beautiful. However, it is also very expensive. He
> > > said he used
> > > > > about 6 gallons just on the wings.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been hearing about the latex method and I think at one
> > > point there
> > > > > was some discussion about it but I never really rememeber there
> being
> > > > > strong opinion against it. I'd sure like to save an easy
> > > $1800 in paint
> > > > > and latex sounds good, but not at the expense of safety.
> > > > >
> > > > > DJ
> > > > >
> > > > >
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)startribune.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Dammits-serious question |
Another option is to bevel the top of the spar to fit the ribs. The
extra spar height weighs very little and save a LOT of cutting and
glueing tiny pieces of wood.
Greg Cardinal
>>> lshutks(at)webtv.net 08/08/02 08:47AM >>>
I have a box full of dammits strictly because I built to the plans. One
day in the here after, I'm going to set down on a cloud with Bernie and
he is going to get an ear full about his plans. On the serious side: I
have just made and fitted the little wood wedges that go above the spar,
under the rib cap strip for my center section. Only had to deal with 4
of them and they were a real pain. I'll need to make a zillion more for
the wings.It got me thinking. Instead of the wedges, could one use the
epoxy puddy that ASC sells to fill this space? Or maybe make my own
puddy with T-88 mixed with cotton flock as a filler? Simply trowell it
in with a knife or the handy man wood airplane builders secret weapon,
the popsickle stick.. Any suggestions? Thanks, Leon Stefan. PS, At
Brodhead I talked to a lister about the "Kerri Ann" Price front cockpit
door. You gave me your card, but I must have lost it. Drop me a note.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard(at)titan.com> |
| Subject: | Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber |
Try water shrinking it first--like we did with model planes. Cotton should
shrink just fine!
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: skycarl [mailto:skycarl(at)megsinet.net]
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber
Gary, I used the flat gray for my primer as a uv protectant. It went on
great.
Then I used the gloss for my final color ( cub yellow) and had a real hard
time
with it. I ended up using satin and it looks a lot like the old dope finish.
I believe the only way you can get muslin to shrink is with dope.
You might want to consider the uncertified dacron. AS&S has it real
reasonable.
Carl L.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary McNeel, Jr. <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber
>
> Are you guys using gloss, semi-gloss, satin (not likely)?
>
> Also, I have a wee dilemma. I am building my son and 1/2 scale little
> something plane (polyglot of what I think is cool). I am starting to cover
> it with .96 cent muslin. Any thoughts on shrinking it down. I am trying to
> keep the complete cost of building it under $100. So far I am at about
$55,
> maybe $60. All the cements and dopes are so expensive. Any ideas? I did
test
> of the vertical stab. I just 'painted' the material on. No problem, sticks
> like glue and should hold up well. Used house paint. But it is sort of
> flabby, I cannot seem to get it really tightened.
>
> It should be a (somewhat) non-flammable solution. I don't want a backyard
> plane just waiting to go through rapid spontaneous combustion. ;)-
>
> Anyone have any old out of date dope or such laying around? I promise not
to
> use it on real plane.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Gary McNeel (in sweatbox Houston being thankful his A/C only had a blown
> breaker)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard
> > Navratril
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:34 PM
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I agree with Carl. I brushed on the first two coats of latex and wet
> > sanded, then rolled on coats wet sanding between each coat now I'll be
> > spraying on the last. I will flip the wing over and use the
> > sprayer on the
> > top side. Using Sherwin Williams best.
> > Dick
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "skycarl" <skycarl(at)megsinet.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber
> >
> >
> > >
> > > DJ,,, In the for what its worth dept.. Guys on here have had their
latex
> > > paint jobs for over 10 years and still going strong. Check out the
> > archives.
> > > I have brushed, rolled and now sprayed the latex on mine and I
> > wish I had
> > > sprayed from the beginning.
> > > I have been using sher-will paint and I feel the brushing of the first
> > coat
> > > and spraying the rest is the best technique for me.
> > > Carl L. building longer than he thought he would be ;)
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: DJ Vegh <aircamper(at)imagedv.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> > > > Just a note to those that may be interested,
> > > >
> > > > There's a new forum for "Homebuilts/Kitplanes" located at The Hobby
> > > > Forum site. It's new and traffic is low, but maybe you might wish to
> > > > stop by sometime and see if any topics pick your interest.... It
> > > > located here:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.thehobbyforum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=170
> > > >
> > > > On another note....... Whats the general concensus on Latex
> > vs. Polytone
> > > > finish on Poly Fiber. I visited a friend today who just finished
> > > > painting his Aeronca Champ wings with Poly-Tone and the finish is of
> > > > course beautiful. However, it is also very expensive. He
> > said he used
> > > > about 6 gallons just on the wings.
> > > >
> > > > I've been hearing about the latex method and I think at one
> > point there
> > > > was some discussion about it but I never really rememeber there
being
> > > > strong opinion against it. I'd sure like to save an easy
> > $1800 in paint
> > > > and latex sounds good, but not at the expense of safety.
> > > >
> > > > DJ
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | steamlaunch(at)softhome.net |
Why would one want to laminate the lower longerons? Can anyine tell me what
the longest 1x1 longeron is in the long version of the Piet?
FOund some wonderful flat grain 18 ring/inch T&G Doug Fir Flooring Looks
like I could get three 1x1 out of each but they are only 12'
Matt
Match: #69 Message: #16669 From: ANNCARLEK(at)aol.com Date: Feb 05, 2002
Subject: Alternate Woods
My son gave me a copy of "Understanding Wood" by R. Bruce Hoadley. Great
book!
I'm going to use Douglas Fir too: there is a waiting line for Spruce. And I
got enough wood for the fuselage and tail feathers for $125.00. Get some VG
KD DF (Vertical Grain, Kiln Dried, Douglas Fir). I found that I should never
buy more than one plank at a time, and that I should try to use different
lumberyards. Kiln Dried means less than 19% moisture to the lumberyard - for
our use we really should have around 12%, but once the wood is cut it dries
faster. I tried 2x2s, 2x4s, and 2x6s, and 2x4s work out the best(cheapest).
Mr Pietenpol cut his parts from 2x4s. Try for 10 to 15 growth rings per inch
- more than this and you're dealing with pith wood. My plan is to laminate
the lower longerons with three slices 1/3" thick.
The edge grain requirement is specifically for spars. It doesn't matter
which
way the rings are oriented with respect to the 1x1 longerons. But they must
lay the same way when when they are glued together for maximum strength. My
wood has been cut for a little over a week now, and I'm just a little bit
surprised at the amount of shrinkage already.
Mr Pietenpol laminated his spars from 3/4 by 3/4 strips, according to the
constuction manual. That is what I am going to do, too. Flat Grain DF is
cheaper than VG DF, and can be turned properly when laying up the spars.
I was interested in the interest in the Pou de Ciel: I looked at this too,
before deciding on the Piet. I wonder how many others got down to this
choice
also?
End Msg: #69
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Dammits-serious question |
Pieters,
On the wedges questions. Why don't one just measure your planned spar cavity
in you ribs, apply this to your saw, joiner and planer when you dress your
spars and you do several things. Eliminate that tacky wedging, have a perfect
fit for rib and spar plus a stronger spar. Can't understand that pure
rectangle spar. Maybe they didn't have adjustable table saws or joiners up
nawth in '29.
Corky in the South where he made his spars with an angle
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kent Hallsten" <KHallsten(at)governair.com> |
-----Original Message-----
From: steamlaunch(at)softhome.net [mailto:steamlaunch(at)softhome.net]
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alternate Woods
"Why would one want to laminate the lower longerons? "
One reason comes to my mind. Douglas fir has pitch pockets, and if one
was 'hidden' inside your one piece 1x1 longeron, it is a weak spot. By cutting
thin strips and laminating, you get to "see" the inside of your longeron
before it's put to use.
"Can anyine tell me what the longest 1x1 longeron is in the long version of the
Piet?"
Sorry, my plans aren't here now. But it's in the neighborhood of 15 ft.
" FOund some wonderful flat grain 18 ring/inch T&G Doug Fir Flooring Looks like
I could get three 1x1 out of each but they are only 12' "
You make a scarf joint to join two shorter pieces together to get your
length.
Kent Hallsten
Oklahoma City
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| From: | "Gadd, Skip" <Skip.Gadd(at)ssa.gov> |
| Subject: | tenpol-List:Piets at Brodhead 2002 |
Kent,
Kim makes a video tape of Brodhead each year, they are not as glossy as Mike
Cuy's. They are Piets and other planes landing and taking off and some
people and some Piets just sitting there and close up's to show technical
stuff like fittings and such. They are great for inspiration to get back to
work on the Piet and also to remember your trip to Brodhead. They are
recommended.
I always give Kim the money the first time I see him each year at the flyin,
but I believe he would send you one if you sent him the money. They range
from $10. to $20. this year it was $10.
If you have been to Brodhead for several years Kim is guy who came in the
Cub yellow GN1 and gave many many rides each year from about 1993 to 1999.
This year his plane was home needing covering and engine work.
Kim Allen Stricker
P O bx 6
Jackson MO 63755
Skip
Atlanta
What is this tape? Something available for purchase?
Kent Hallsten
Oklahoma City
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Alternate Woods |
| From: | catdesigns(at)juno.com |
Its acceptable to scarf in a new section of wood when repairing damaged longerons.
Also its also acceptable to substitute laminated spars for solid spars.
So it would seem to me that it would be safe if not stronger to laminate longerons.
I would be tempted to do it in 3 laminations, staggering the scarf joints
in each lamination so the scarf joints dont line up. Theoretically it shouldnt
make a difference if the laminations are in the front or tail but I would
be tempted to put them upfront where the plywood will be on two sides of the
joint. But I wouldnt put them any where a fitting will be installed. Laminating
would also help you form the curved lower longeron because DF is supposed be
more difficult to bend. Steve "built-on-a-very-tight-budget" Eldrige built his
Air Camper out of DF, I think he used flooring as well, and might have better
suggestions on using this wood.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
Pietenpol-List message posted by: steamlaunch(at)softhome.net
Why would one want to laminate the lower longerons? Can anyine tell me what
the longest 1x1 longeron is in the long version of the Piet?
FOund some wonderful flat grain 18 ring/inch T&G Doug Fir Flooring Looks
like I could get three 1x1 out of each but they are only 12'
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Alternate Woods |
| From: | catdesigns(at)juno.com |
Its acceptable to scarf in a new section of wood when repairing damaged longerons.
Also its also acceptable to substitute laminated spars for solid spars.
So it would seem to me that it would be safe if not stronger to laminate longerons.
I would be tempted to do it in 3 laminations, staggering the scarf joints
in each lamination so the scarf joints dont line up. Theoretically it shouldnt
make a difference if the laminations are in the front or tail but I would
be tempted to put them upfront where the plywood will be on two sides of the
joint. But I wouldnt put them any where a fitting will be installed. Laminating
would also help you form the curved lower longeron because DF is supposed be
more difficult to bend. Steve "built-on-a-very-tight-budget" Eldrige built his
Air Camper out of DF, I think he used flooring as well, and might have better
suggestions on using this wood.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
Pietenpol-List message posted by: steamlaunch(at)softhome.net
Why would one want to laminate the lower longerons? Can anyine tell me what
the longest 1x1 longeron is in the long version of the Piet?
FOund some wonderful flat grain 18 ring/inch T&G Doug Fir Flooring Looks
like I could get three 1x1 out of each but they are only 12'
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Navratril" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber |
Matt
I used 2 coats of Poly brush before painting as the manual recommends.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: <steamlaunch(at)softhome.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber
>
> Richard What is under the Latex?
>
> Matt
>
> Richard Navratril writes:
>
> >
> > I agree with Carl. I brushed on the first two coats of latex and wet
> > sanded, then rolled on coats wet sanding between each coat now I'll be
> > spraying on the last. I will flip the wing over and use the sprayer on
the
> > top side. Using Sherwin Williams best.
> > Dick
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "skycarl" <skycarl(at)megsinet.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber
> >
> >
> >>
> >> DJ,,, In the for what its worth dept.. Guys on here have had their
latex
> >> paint jobs for over 10 years and still going strong. Check out the
> > archives.
> >> I have brushed, rolled and now sprayed the latex on mine and I wish I
had
> >> sprayed from the beginning.
> >> I have been using sher-will paint and I feel the brushing of the first
> > coat
> >> and spraying the rest is the best technique for me.
> >> Carl L. building longer than he thought he would be ;)
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: DJ Vegh <aircamper(at)imagedv.com>
> >> To:
> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Just a note to those that may be interested,
> >> >
> >> > There's a new forum for "Homebuilts/Kitplanes" located at The Hobby
> >> > Forum site. It's new and traffic is low, but maybe you might wish to
> >> > stop by sometime and see if any topics pick your interest.... It
> >> > located here:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.thehobbyforum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=170
> >> >
> >> > On another note....... Whats the general concensus on Latex vs.
Polytone
> >> > finish on Poly Fiber. I visited a friend today who just finished
> >> > painting his Aeronca Champ wings with Poly-Tone and the finish is of
> >> > course beautiful. However, it is also very expensive. He said he
used
> >> > about 6 gallons just on the wings.
> >> >
> >> > I've been hearing about the latex method and I think at one point
there
> >> > was some discussion about it but I never really rememeber there being
> >> > strong opinion against it. I'd sure like to save an easy $1800 in
paint
> >> > and latex sounds good, but not at the expense of safety.
> >> >
> >> > DJ
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for
viewing
> > by
> >> Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more
> >> information on an anti-virus email solution, visit
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> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Homebuilt forum and Poly Fiber |
>On another note....... Whats the general concensus on Latex vs. Polytone
>finish on Poly Fiber. I visited a friend today who just finished
>painting his Aeronca Champ wings with Poly-Tone and the finish is of
>course beautiful. However, it is also very expensive. He said he used
>about 6 gallons just on the wings.
>
>I've been hearing about the latex method and I think at one point there
>was some discussion about it but I never really rememeber there being
>strong opinion against it. I'd sure like to save an easy $1800 in paint
>and latex sounds good, but not at the expense of safety.
List,
Does anyone recall who was going to do those lab tests on latex paint
samples? I've been wondering whatever happened to that. This issue could
sure use some 'closure'.
We keep going around & around about what primers to use (gray, black,
whatever)?, do they really block UV?, can you get aluminum powder & put it
in white latex to make a true aluminum primer?, etc, etc. but none of us
have any hard data.
Just a half-dozen reports on planes that have been around for a number of
years & are apparently OK, and one article (KitPlanes, Sept. 1997) where
the guy did some serious testing of his work by putting test panels out in
the weather for a couple of years. I'd sure like to save some $ by using
latex, but the jury still seems to be out, far as I can tell....
Cheers!
Kip Gardner
426 Schneider St. SE
North Canton, OH 44720
(330) 494-1775
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Navratril" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Dammits-serious question |
Greg
Beveling the top is fine if you remember to flatten off the spots where your
strut fittings attach. The tolerance is close and the fabric may not clear
the tops of fittings when streched.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)startribune.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dammits-serious question
>
> Another option is to bevel the top of the spar to fit the ribs. The
> extra spar height weighs very little and save a LOT of cutting and
> glueing tiny pieces of wood.
>
> Greg Cardinal
>
> >>> lshutks(at)webtv.net 08/08/02 08:47AM >>>
>
> I have a box full of dammits strictly because I built to the plans. One
> day in the here after, I'm going to set down on a cloud with Bernie and
> he is going to get an ear full about his plans. On the serious side: I
> have just made and fitted the little wood wedges that go above the spar,
> under the rib cap strip for my center section. Only had to deal with 4
> of them and they were a real pain. I'll need to make a zillion more for
> the wings.It got me thinking. Instead of the wedges, could one use the
> epoxy puddy that ASC sells to fill this space? Or maybe make my own
> puddy with T-88 mixed with cotton flock as a filler? Simply trowell it
> in with a knife or the handy man wood airplane builders secret weapon,
> the popsickle stick.. Any suggestions? Thanks, Leon Stefan. PS, At
> Brodhead I talked to a lister about the "Kerri Ann" Price front cockpit
> door. You gave me your card, but I must have lost it. Drop me a note.
>
>
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| From: | clif <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Dammits-serious question |
Considering the amount of headscratching stuff
we already do with this thing, it shouldn't be a
problem angling the strut fittings and lengthening
the one side of that fitting to match, should it.
I know that there are Piets out there with spars
done this way. The yellow one I photo'd and
put up on My kitplane was done this way and
has many hours on it.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dammits-serious question
>
> Pieters,
> On the wedges questions. Why don't one just measure your planned spar
cavity
> in you ribs, apply this to your saw, joiner and planer when you dress your
> spars and you do several things. Eliminate that tacky wedging, have a
perfect
> fit for rib and spar plus a stronger spar. Can't understand that pure
> rectangle spar. Maybe they didn't have adjustable table saws or joiners up
> nawth in '29.
> Corky in the South where he made his spars with an angle
>
>
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| From: | "Gene Rambo" <rambog(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Dammits-serious question |
How hard is it really to cut one long piece of wedge-shaped wood and then
slice off 1/4" pieces as needed and slip them under the rib with a dab of
glue? We are talking about all kinds of problems beveling the spar causes
and the fixes necessary, like re-making the spar fittings to the right
angle, etc. Why not just do it to the plans? Besides, a taller spar that
can be beveled is more expensive.
Gene R
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)startribune.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Dammits-serious question |
Dick,
Good point. Dale and I will be covering shortly. I hope we don't have to
use any "dammits".
Greg
>>> horzpool(at)goldengate.net 08/08/02 09:08PM >>>
Greg
Beveling the top is fine if you remember to flatten off the spots where
your
strut fittings attach. The tolerance is close and the fabric may not
clear
the tops of fittings when streched.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)startribune.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dammits-serious question
>
> Another option is to bevel the top of the spar to fit the ribs. The
> extra spar height weighs very little and save a LOT of cutting and
> glueing tiny pieces of wood.
>
> Greg Cardinal
>
> >>> lshutks(at)webtv.net 08/08/02 08:47AM >>>
>
> I have a box full of dammits strictly because I built to the plans.
One
> day in the here after, I'm going to set down on a cloud with Bernie
and
> he is going to get an ear full about his plans. On the serious side: I
> have just made and fitted the little wood wedges that go above the
spar,
> under the rib cap strip for my center section. Only had to deal with 4
> of them and they were a real pain. I'll need to make a zillion more
for
> the wings.It got me thinking. Instead of the wedges, could one use the
> epoxy puddy that ASC sells to fill this space? Or maybe make my own
> puddy with T-88 mixed with cotton flock as a filler? Simply trowell
it
> in with a knife or the handy man wood airplane builders secret weapon,
> the popsickle stick.. Any suggestions? Thanks, Leon Stefan. PS, At
> Brodhead I talked to a lister about the "Kerri Ann" Price front
cockpit
> door. You gave me your card, but I must have lost it. Drop me a note.
>
>
July 11, 2002 - August 09, 2002
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