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> for the set of Bingelis books, as recommended (once or twice) by Professor > Cuy. > My question for the list is this: Are there any other "must haves" or even > "should haves" that any of you would recommend to the novice builder. > > Bill > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <gcardinal(at)mn.rr.com>
Subject: Re: New student
Date: Jun 30, 2004
Catalogs from both Aircraft Spruce and Wicks. A price list from Dillsburg Aeroplane Works. A copy of AC 43.13B. EAA Wood Handbook EAA Welding Handbook That is a good start. Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: New student Church > > Hey everyone, > > As of next week my wife will have completed her training as a kindergarten > teacher, and it becomes my turn to further my education. So, yesterday I > paid my first instalment of my tuition in Pietenpol U. (I ordered the > complete set of plans from Don Pietenpol). And, today I will place my order > for the set of Bingelis books, as recommended (once or twice) by Professor > Cuy. > My question for the list is this: Are there any other "must haves" or even > "should haves" that any of you would recommend to the novice builder. > > Bill > > ============================= Forum - through the Contributions banner ads or any other Matronics Forums. > ============================= http://www.matronics.com/chat > ============================= pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/subscription http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm http://www.matronics.com/search http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list http://www.matronics.com/chat http://www.matronics.com/archives http://www.matronics.com/photoshare http://www.matronics.com/pietenpol-list http://www.matronics.com/emaillists http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ============================= > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 30, 2004
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: New student
Hi Bill, I'm across the country in Vancouver. You haven't mentioned anything about the RAA so I'm assuming you don't know so here's links; http://www.raa.ca/ for the National http://www3.sympatico.ca/mac1/ This is the Brampton airport chapter, 12 miles(20 clicks) Northwest of CYYZ. We have our own tech councilors etc. Brampton also is home to 3 air-aba inspectors. They will be passing your plane as airworthy when it's finished. Might be good to get to know them. Clif > > > Alex, > Thanks for the advice. > Membership looks like a good idea, but chapters are few and far between on > this side of the border (the Great White North). Hard to believe, but the > closest chapter to Toronto (the biggest city in Canada) is about an hour's > drive. Go figure. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 01, 2004
From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Subject: Paint Scheme
Dear Piet friends, Hey... I have sketched out the paint scheme and logo for our Piet. It is posted on Mykitplane.com copy and past the following URL in your browser... http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=54 -- Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 fax 254-853-3805 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: Paint Scheme
Date: Jul 01, 2004
hey Terry, want a couple 3D renderings of that scheme from various angles?? what does the top and bottom of the wing look like? send me a higher resolution image of just the logo and I can put together some renderings for ya. here's a couple samples http://imagedv.com/3D-Visualization/aircamper/aircamper.htm DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Paint Scheme Dear Piet friends, Hey... I have sketched out the paint scheme and logo for our Piet. It is posted on Mykitplane.com copy and past the following URL in your browser... http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID54 -- Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 fax 254-853-3805 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Paint Scheme
Date: Jul 01, 2004
From: "Textor, Jack" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Terry, that's cool. Wish I had the design/computer savvy to do that. What program did you use? Thanks, Jack Textor Des Moines ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 01, 2004
From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Subject: Paint Scheme
In a message dated 7/1/2004 1:37:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Textor, Jack" writes: > >Terry, that's cool. Wish I had the design/computer savvy to do that. >What program did you use? >Thanks, >Jack Textor >Des Moines > > > > > > > > > >Jack... I used Microsoft word. There are a lot of art tools in that program that many folks never use. I imported a 3-view drawing of a model A piet as a bitmap and then traced over the top of it. Then I deleted the original bitmap and cleaned up my drawing. Terry -- Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 fax 254-853-3805 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 01, 2004
From: At7000ft(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Paint Scheme
DJ What modelling tool do you use for your 3D work? >hey Terry, > >want a couple 3D renderings of that scheme from various angles?? what does the top and bottom of the wing look like? > >send me a higher resolution image of just the logo and I can put together some renderings for ya. > >here's a couple samples > >http://imagedv.com/3D-Visualization/aircamper/aircamper.htm > >DJ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:52 AM >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Paint Scheme > > >Dear Piet friends, >Hey... I have sketched out the paint scheme and logo for our Piet. It is posted on Mykitplane.com > >copy and past the following URL in your browser... > >http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=54 > >-- >Terry L. Bowden >ph 254-715-4773 >fax 254-853-3805 > > >================================================ >================================================ >================================================ >================================================ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 01, 2004
From: Richard Schreiber <schreib(at)netnitco.net>
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Subject: Turtle Deck
Thanks to everyone who responded about the spacing of the turtle deck stringers. After everyone's response it appears that the best way to do it is what pleases me the most. My plan now is to try and space the stringers equally around the coming support as I can, realizing that the closer the stringers get to the top longerons the more curve they will have. On an additional note. I plan on going to Brodhead again this year. Weather permitting I will be flying my TriPacer in from NW Indiana Friday afternoon. I will be looking forward to seeing everyone again. Rick Schreiber N5936D PA22 Valparaiso, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: Paint Scheme
Date: Jul 01, 2004
Lightwave 3D and 3D studio Max DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: <At7000ft(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint Scheme > > DJ > > What modelling tool do you use for your 3D work? > > >hey Terry, > > > >want a couple 3D renderings of that scheme from various angles?? what does the top and bottom of the wing look like? > > > >send me a higher resolution image of just the logo and I can put together some renderings for ya. > > > >here's a couple samples > > > >http://imagedv.com/3D-Visualization/aircamper/aircamper.htm > > > >DJ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com > >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > >Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:52 AM > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Paint Scheme > > > > > > > >Dear Piet friends, > >Hey... I have sketched out the paint scheme and logo for our Piet. It is posted on Mykitplane.com > > > >copy and past the following URL in your browser... > > > >http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=54 > > > >-- > >Terry L. Bowden > >ph 254-715-4773 > >fax 254-853-3805 > > > > > > > > > > > >================================================ > >================================================ > >================================================ > >================================================ > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: KTS5TA6(at)wmconnect.com
Date: Jul 01, 2004
Subject: Re: Paint Scheme
I've painted a few airplanes, boats, canoes, van's cars and several tractors. It's always very difficult to envision the final image and sometimes when pulling masking tape off I thought "what in the world was I thinking!" I recently commissioned DJ Vegh to layout an AirCamper design for me by telling him I wanted it based on a Texas flag. His sketch was great and probably saved me money in the long run in the amount of masking tape and paint I could have wasted in getting the look I wanted. His service is highly recommended and I was happy to part company with my hard earned cash for his talent. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Laurits Larsen" <pietlars(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: New student
Date: Jul 01, 2004
Hi: You have the info list to proceed with your project. Note that the catalogs have tables of very useful data in the back. To go with that data, I suggest that you invest in some "tools of precision", i.e. a micrometer, an inside/outside caliper and a steel scale with readings to at least a 32nd. These are valuable in setting up your tools and checking sizes, gauges and thickness. Also the Poly Fiber manual on covering and painting is very good. Good Luck!!!! Lou larsen ----- Original Message ----- From: <gcardinal(at)mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New student > > Catalogs from both Aircraft Spruce and Wicks. > A price list from Dillsburg Aeroplane Works. > A copy of AC 43.13B. > EAA Wood Handbook > EAA Welding Handbook > > That is a good start. > > Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com> > To: "Pietenpol List (E-mail)" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:12 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: New student > > > Church > > > > Hey everyone, > > > > As of next week my wife will have completed > her training as a kindergarten > > teacher, and it becomes my turn to further > my education. So, yesterday I > > paid my first instalment of my tuition in > Pietenpol U. (I ordered the > > complete set of plans from Don Pietenpol). > And, today I will place my order > > for the set of Bingelis books, as > recommended (once or twice) by Professor > > Cuy. > > My question for the list is this: Are there > any other "must haves" or even > > "should haves" that any of you would > recommend to the novice builder. > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================= > Forum - > through the Contributions > banner ads or any other > Matronics Forums. > > > ============================= > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > > ============================= > pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/search > http://www.matronics.com/chat > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > ============================= > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: Paint Scheme - 3D renderings
Date: Jul 02, 2004
just finished a few renderings for Terry's Piet. I love your scheme Terry! very clean and classy.... I dig the "Hopgrasser" Logo too! Makes me think I need some kind of cartoon logo on mine as well... hmmm I'll think about that. anyways here's some 3D pics for the rest of ya.... http://www.imagedv.com/3D-Visualization/aircamper/hopgrasser2/ my offer applies to any other builders too.... send me basic sketch and I can bust out some 3D renderings of your scheme. DJ _ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Dilatush" <dilatush(at)amigo.net>
Subject: Pietenpol for Sale
Date: Jul 03, 2004
To all the Pietenpol People: Reluctantly, I have decided to sell my pride and joy "Mountain Piet" I live in Colorado at an elevation of about 7000 feet and wanted a plane which would duplicate the performance of a Super Cub at this altitude. I built a Pietenpol Air Camper from the original plans, but rather than using a Model A engine as in the original, used a turbocharged Subaru engine. The results have been fantastic! I have had the Pietenpol as high as 15,300 feet and still had a healthy rate of climb. The measured rate of climb at 10,000 feet is over 1,100 fpm and the angle of the climb is awesome. The reason that I am selling the plane is my age, (77 years), combined with the fact that our flying season here is short for an open cockpit plane. This plane should really be in a warmer climate combined with a high density environment. If you are interested and want more information about "Mountain Piet", Oscar Zuniga visited me last summer and took photos of the plane, then went home and made a presentation on his website about it. You can log on to this at : http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/John_piet.html I am going to ask $19,500 for the plane and might dicker just a little. If you are really serious about buying, then I will fly it back to the Pietenpol Reunion in Brodhead Wisc.later this month. Please don't ask me to fly it 1100 miles unless you are serious buyer! John Dilatush Salida, Colorado (719) 539-3991 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jake Nichols" <cowboyjake(at)insight.rr.com>
Subject: GN-1 plans at Brodhead
Date: Jul 03, 2004
I am thinking of driving to Brodhead and was also in the market for some GN-1 plans. Does anyone sell plans there or is there a fly market? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Norman Stapelberg" <norshel(at)mweb.co.za>
Subject: ZS-VJA Approaching deadline
Date: Jul 03, 2004
Hi There Pietters Well the dead line has been set and my bird will be back in the air at the end of July, I just had the motor and the engine mount x-rayed, and all is well. The wings are back on and the small jobs are now at hand, 90% done and 90% to go. Regards Norman Stapelberg ZS-VJA (28Days to go) South Africa ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roel Stausebach" <roelsta(at)icon.co.za>
Subject: Re: ZS-VJA Approaching deadline
Date: Jul 03, 2004
Did not know you were out of the air Norman? What happened? Regards, Roel ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman Stapelberg To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 7:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: ZS-VJA Approaching deadline Hi There Pietters Well the dead line has been set and my bird will be back in the air at the end of July, I just had the motor and the engine mount x-rayed, and all is well. The wings are back on and the small jobs are now at hand, 90% done and 90% to go. Regards Norman Stapelberg ZS-VJA (28Days to go) South Africa ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dale Johnson" <ddjohn(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: GN-1 plans at Brodhead
Date: Jul 03, 2004
Jake Nichols I have a unused set of plans for the GN-1.I plan to be at Brodhead. You can have the plans . We built a pete used the plans to get different ideas. Dale Johnson Mpls. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jake Nichols Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 plans at Brodhead I am thinking of driving to Brodhead and was also in the market for some GN-1 plans. Does anyone sell plans there or is there a fly market? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jake Nichols" <cowboyjake(at)insight.rr.com>
Subject: Re: GN-1 plans at Brodhead
Date: Jul 03, 2004
That would be great. I will let you know if I will not be there. Otherwise I should be arriving Saturday in the early afternoon. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Johnson To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 5:59 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 plans at Brodhead Jake Nichols I have a unused set of plans for the GN-1.I plan to be at Brodhead. You can have the plans . We built a pete used the plans to get different ideas. Dale Johnson Mpls. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jake Nichols To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: 7/3/2004 10:55:16 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 plans at Brodhead I am thinking of driving to Brodhead and was also in the market for some GN-1 plans. Does anyone sell plans there or is there a fly market? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 03, 2004
From: Javier Cruz <javcr(at)prodigy.net.mx>
Subject: Paint Scheme - 3D renderings
Hi Piets Congrats, DJ that models look really nice Javier Cruz ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Shawn Wolk" <shawnwolk(at)sprint.ca>
Subject: Piet on floats
Date: Jul 04, 2004
Well fellow Piet enthusiasts. I've decided to try it. I am installing a set of full lotus 1260 on my A65 powered Piet. The first flight test should be within 2 weeks. Pictures and rigging data will be forwarded. I was going to start at placing the float step 6" behind the CG location of 19" from the wing leading edge. (or float Cg at 13"" from leading edge) This location should give me the 19" CG location at the way the aircraft will fly most of the time. And I will initially experiment with -3deg of float down incidence. I hope it gets off and actually climbs! I'll be using a very large lake for the tests so plenty of room to experiment. Any further tips or ideas are welcome. Shawn Wolk Winnipeg, MB C-FRAZ Pietenpol Aircamper (wheels,ski's, and shortly floats) C-GZOT Skyhopper 2 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Carmen" <jcar(at)nefcom.net>
Subject: Piet on floats
Date: Jul 04, 2004
JATO assit -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Wolk Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet on floats Well fellow Piet enthusiasts. I've decided to try it. I am installing a set of full lotus 1260 on my A65 powered Piet. The first flight test should be within 2 weeks. Pictures and rigging data will be forwarded. I was going to start at placing the float step 6" behind the CG location of 19" from the wing leading edge. (or float Cg at 13"" from leading edge) This location should give me the 19" CG location at the way the aircraft will fly most of the time. And I will initially experiment with -3deg of float down incidence. I hope it gets off and actually climbs! I'll be using a very large lake for the tests so plenty of room to experiment. Any further tips or ideas are welcome. Shawn Wolk Winnipeg, MB C-FRAZ Pietenpol Aircamper (wheels,ski's, and shortly floats) C-GZOT Skyhopper 2 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TBYH(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 05, 2004
Subject: Questions
I've seen mentioned not only 1/16-inch ply, but also 1/8 and even 1/4 ply for the front fuselage front skins -- which is correct? Also, what is the best motorcycle wheel to use for the landing gear, or are most folks building their own hubs, etc? What is the best magneto set-up for a Model A engine? What about the coupling? Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "walt evans" <wbeevans(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Questions
Date: Jul 05, 2004
Fred, The normally accepted is 1/4 for the bottom, 1/8 for the sides, 1/16 for all gussets. All the rest for seats, panels etc. vary. Check the prints. I built my own wheels (hubs), and they've given me good service walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: TBYH(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 10:01 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Questions I've seen mentioned not only 1/16-inch ply, but also 1/8 and even 1/4 ply for the front fuselage front skins -- which is correct? Also, what is the best motorcycle wheel to use for the landing gear, or are most folks building their own hubs, etc? What is the best magneto set-up for a Model A engine? What about the coupling? Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Norman Stapelberg" <norshel(at)mweb.co.za>
Subject: ZS-VJA Approaching deadline
Date: Jul 05, 2004
I had a prop fail in flight a couple of months a go, my wife said she is going away on vacation for a couple of days with the family, I should get a lot of work done by Saturday, if not finished I should get a couple of late nights in. Regards Norman Stapelberg ZS-VJA South Africa -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roel Stausebach Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ZS-VJA Approaching deadline Did not know you were out of the air Norman? What happened? Regards, Roel ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman Stapelberg <mailto:norshel(at)mweb.co.za> Subject: Pietenpol-List: ZS-VJA Approaching deadline Hi There Pietters Well the dead line has been set and my bird will be back in the air at the end of July, I just had the motor and the engine mount x-rayed, and all is well. The wings are back on and the small jobs are now at hand, 90% done and 90% to go. Regards Norman Stapelberg ZS-VJA (28Days to go) South Africa ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: GN-1 plans at Brodhead
Date: Jul 06, 2004
From: "Textor, Jack" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Jake, I will bring mine. Jack Textor ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 06, 2004
From: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo(at)knology.net>
Subject: ZS-VJA Approaching deadline
Norm your in-flight prop failure sounds like a heck of a story. Any chance you could spare the time to share it with us on the Pietlist? Carl Vought/Huntsville, AL/USA wrote : > > > > I had a prop fail in flight a couple of months a go, my wife said she is > going away on vacation for a couple of days with the family, I should > get a lot of work done by Saturday, if not finished I should get a > couple of late nights in. > > Regards > Norman Stapelberg > ZS-VJA > South Africa > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roel > Stausebach > Sent: 03 July 2004 10:17 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ZS-VJA Approaching deadline > > Did not know you were out of the air Norman? What happened? > Regards, > Roel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Norman Stapelberg <mailto:norshel(at)mweb.co.za> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 7:57 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: ZS-VJA Approaching deadline > > Hi There Pietters > > Well the dead line has been set and my bird will be back in the air at > the end of July, I just had the motor and the engine mount x-rayed, and > all is well. The wings are back on and the small jobs are now at hand, > 90% done and 90% to go. > > > Regards > > Norman Stapelberg > ZS-VJA (28Days to go) > South Africa > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: ZS-VJA Approaching deadline
Date: Jul 06, 2004
check the archive.... he talked about it a few months back and even showed some pictures of the damage. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl D. Vought Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ZS-VJA Approaching deadline Norm your in-flight prop failure sounds like a heck of a story. Any chance you could spare the time to share it with us on the Pietlist? Carl Vought/Huntsville, AL/USA wrote : > > > I had a prop fail in flight a couple of months a go, my wife said she is > going away on vacation for a couple of days with the family, I should > get a lot of work done by Saturday, if not finished I should get a > couple of late nights in. > > Regards > Norman Stapelberg > ZS-VJA > South Africa > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roel > Stausebach > Sent: 03 July 2004 10:17 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ZS-VJA Approaching deadline > > Did not know you were out of the air Norman? What happened? > Regards, > Roel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Norman Stapelberg <mailto:norshel(at)mweb.co.za> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 7:57 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: ZS-VJA Approaching deadline > > Hi There Pietters > > Well the dead line has been set and my bird will be back in the air at > the end of July, I just had the motor and the engine mount x-rayed, and > all is well. The wings are back on and the small jobs are now at hand, > 90% done and 90% to go. > > > Regards > > Norman Stapelberg > ZS-VJA (28Days to go) > South Africa > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 06, 2004
From: At7000ft(at)aol.com
Subject: Fuse build question
Concerning joining the fuselage sides, most people on the archives say glue the front together including plywood floor before pulling the tail together to make sure everything is square. I have my sides set upside down and jigged square with the tail joined together with the ash and other front cross members cut and fitted (nothing glued yet). Any problem with first just glueing the front braces, front seat back and floor plywood? Then glueing the tail together with gussets on top and bottom and then filling in all the other cross and diagonal braces? Thanks Rick Holland Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: Fuse build question
Date: Jul 06, 2004
That's pretty much what I did with mine. I used a few starp clamps work very well for this task. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: At7000ft(at)aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuse build question Concerning joining the fuselage sides, most people on the archives say glue the front together including plywood floor before pulling the tail together to make sure everything is square. I have my sides set upside down and jigged square with the tail joined together with the ash and other front cross members cut and fitted (nothing glued yet). Any problem with first just glueing the front braces, front seat back and floor plywood? Then glueing the tail together with gussets on top and bottom and then filling in all the other cross and diagonal braces? Thanks Rick Holland Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: Fuse build question
Date: Jul 06, 2004
I meant to type "Strap" clamps... not starp. what the heck is a starp anyways?? it is like a carp? DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: DJ Vegh Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuse build question That's pretty much what I did with mine. I used a few starp clamps work very well for this task. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: At7000ft(at)aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuse build question Concerning joining the fuselage sides, most people on the archives say glue the front together including plywood floor before pulling the tail together to make sure everything is square. I have my sides set upside down and jigged square with the tail joined together with the ash and other front cross members cut and fitted (nothing glued yet). Any problem with first just glueing the front braces, front seat back and floor plywood? Then glueing the tail together with gussets on top and bottom and then filling in all the other cross and diagonal braces? Thanks Rick nbsp; entirely see banner ">http://www.matronics.com/chat http://www.matronics.com/sList FAQ: http://www.matroSearch Engine: http://www.matronics.com/search<7-Day Browse: http://www.matronBrowse Digests: http://www.matronLive List Chat: http://www.matronics.com/chathttp://www.matronics.com/archiPhoto Share: http://www.matronics.com/phoList Specific: http://www.matronics.comOther Lists: http://www.matronics.com/emaTrouble Report http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 06, 2004
Subject: Deep in the Heart of Texas
It's near like kissing a daughter goodbye after her wedding. All those years from birth and to see her drive away with a almost stranger who promises to keep her as you have or tried. All you have left for the moment are memories. in Keithville, La when Charlie Averitt, ferry pilot and flight instructor for Oscar Zuniga, moved the throttle forward and brought that A-65 under full thunderous power and lifted off the turf and turned the nose toward Texas. Destination, Zapata on the Mexican border. Weather was fairly good with a marginal early morning skud ceiling but I think his flight plan called for a 600 ft flight level. When he gets there he will probably remain on his feet for a week. A female spectator commented after the take off that he failed to make a high speed pass. She was readily informed that that take off WAS a high speed pass for a Piet. I'm happy that someone like Oscar has the plane who will fly it regularly. 41 hours in almost 2 years isn't utilizing the plane very much. Of course I can excuse this by blaming it on those beauro idiots who sit around drinking coffee, smoking and generally make excuses to keep from finalizing decisions that may not be good ones and then lose their soft jobs. So they just try hard to CYA and I don't mean Catholic Youth Association. Maybe, just maybe, someday AFTER all this terror business is behind us and the military and airlines stop trying to claim the skies as their very own, the Sport Pilot rule will become law with all it's restrictions ie, can't fly beyond a radius of 5 miles from base airport and not above 1200 AGL. Think I'm joking? Just wait. I enjoyed building 41CC with Joe Capzlicki. And enjoyed and appreciate being with Edwin Johnson during the test flights and his instructed flights with me. I was a pleasure to fly as told me by Mr. Nathan Moss. I'll stop this chatter now, lay up a mint julip, put on some Tommy Dorsey records so Isabelle and I can dance up a big time tonight. Corky in La thinking about his baby deep in the heart of Texas ( I hope ) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "walt evans" <wbeevans(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Deep in the Heart of Texas
Date: Jul 06, 2004
I'm with you Corky! walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 6:25 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Deep in the Heart of Texas It's near like kissing a daughter goodbye after her wedding. All those years from birth and to see her drive away with a almost stranger who promises to keep her as you have or tried. All you have left for the moment are memories. in Keithville, La when Charlie Averitt, ferry pilot and flight instructor for Oscar Zuniga, moved the throttle forward and brought that A-65 under full thunderous power and lifted off the turf and turned the nose toward Texas. Destination, Zapata on the Mexican border. Weather was fairly good with a marginal early morning skud ceiling but I think his flight plan called for a 600 ft flight level. When he gets there he will probably remain on his feet for a week. A female spectator commented after the take off that he failed to make a high speed pass. She was readily informed that that take off WAS a high speed pass for a Piet. I'm happy that someone like Oscar has the plane who will fly it regularly. 41 hours in almost 2 years isn't utilizing the plane very much. Of course I can excuse this by blaming it on those beauro idiots who sit around drinking coffee, smoking and generally make excuses to keep from finalizing decisions that may not be good ones and then lose their soft jobs. So they just try hard to CYA and I don't mean Catholic Youth Association. Maybe, just maybe, someday AFTER all this terror business is behind us and the military and airlines stop trying to claim the skies as their very own, the Sport Pilot rule will become law with all it's restrictions ie, can't fly beyond a radius of 5 miles from base airport and not above 1200 AGL. Think I'm joking? Just wait. I enjoyed building 41CC with Joe Capzlicki. And enjoyed and appreciate being with Edwin Johnson during the test flights and his instructed flights with me. I was a pleasure to fly as told me by Mr. Nathan Moss. I'll stop this chatter now, lay up a mint julip, put on some Tommy Dorsey records so Isabelle and I can dance up a big time tonight. Corky in La thinking about his baby deep in the heart of Texas ( I hope ) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 07, 2004
From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Subject: Hamburger Cookout
Dear Piet Friends, Since our barnstorming hero Chuck Gantzer is going to all the trouble to stop in Texas on his Way to Oshkosh, we decided to throw a Texas-Sized a cookout. Originally, I sent this invite out to those in Texas that I know of. But I didn't intend to leave anyone out. You are all invited to Tick Hill Airfield Sunday July 18, 3pm till ????. Hope you can come. Please RSVP. Email me for directions and I will email them direct since I can't post them to the list. -- Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 fax 254-853-3805 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: At7000ft(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 07, 2004
Subject: Re: Fuse build question
Yes you had me going for a minute their DJ. I was going to do a Google search for "starp clamp" till I read the next message. RickH I meant to type "Strap" clamps... not starp. what the heck is a starp anyways?? it is like a carp? DJ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Norman Stapelberg" <norshel(at)mweb.co.za>
Subject: 0-235 100Hp Questions
Date: Jul 07, 2004
Hi Pietters Thought I'd pass this one out there, when I pulled the covers off the power plant, I discovered I don't have the 108Hp Lycoming 0-235 but instead a 100Hp 0-235 rated at 2600RPM. Have any of you guys got any info on this power plant. Thanks Norman Stapelberg ZS-VJA (counting down) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 07, 2004
From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: 0-235 100Hp Questions
In a message dated 7/7/2004 1:50:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Norman Stapelberg" writes: >Hi Pietters > >Thought I'd pass this one out there, when I pulled the covers off the >power plant, I discovered I don't have the 108Hp Lycoming 0-235 but >instead a 100Hp 0-235 rated at 2600RPM. Have any of you guys got any >info on this power plant. > >Thanks >Norman Stapelberg >ZS-VJA (counting down) > ----------------- The FAA Type Certificate Data Sheet # E223 shows a 100 hp version of the engine, but it is rated at 2450 RPM. (not 2600) It is the model O-235-C1. Here is the address for the FAA site with TCDS info. http://www1.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgMakeModel.nsf/0/C7BF8C45A9443A6686256E4D005E73C3/$FILE/E-223.pdf -- Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 fax 254-853-3805 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Brodhead Activities
Date: Jul 07, 2004
Are any meals or activities planned for Brodhead this year? Do we need to purchase meal tickets in advance? We plan to attend Saturday and Sunday. We have not been to Brodhead in 2 years, but we have been trying to be "good" for the past few weeks and the wives let us out of the house this year. Dixie Division - Barry Davis Mike Annas Frank Metcalfe Bruce Laird Harold Johnson Paul Kemp ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike King" <mike(at)mking.us>
Subject: INSURANCE
Date: Jul 07, 2004
Hey Gang, I have just finished having my GN-1 inspected and ready to fly. Question is, after two years of inactivity and no insurance, who do you guys use for insurance coverage? Previous, I used Butler-Brown and paid around $700 for liability and $10,000 full-hull coverage. I am now awaiting a quote. Their underwriter ironically enough is headquartered a couple of blocks from me in Addison, Texas. I would be interested in finding out what other companies insure the PIET and what present day premiums can be expected. Thanks. Mike GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: INSURANCE
Date: Jul 07, 2004
what is it powered with?? DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike King Subject: Pietenpol-List: INSURANCE Hey Gang, I have just finished having my GN-1 inspected and ready to fly. Question is, after two years of inactivity and no insurance, who do you guys use for insurance coverage? Previous, I used Butler-Brown and paid around $700 for liability and $10,000 full-hull coverage. I am now awaiting a quote. Their underwriter ironically enough is headquartered a couple of blocks from me in Addison, Texas. I would be interested in finding out what other companies insure the PIET and what present day premiums can be expected. Thanks. Mike GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: INSURANCE
Date: Jul 07, 2004
what is it powered with?? DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike King Subject: Pietenpol-List: INSURANCE Hey Gang, I have just finished having my GN-1 inspected and ready to fly. Question is, after two years of inactivity and no insurance, who do you guys use for insurance coverage? Previous, I used Butler-Brown and paid around $700 for liability and $10,000 full-hull coverage. I am now awaiting a quote. Their underwriter ironically enough is headquartered a couple of blocks from me in Addison, Texas. I would be interested in finding out what other companies insure the PIET and what present day premiums can be expected. Thanks. Mike GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: INSURANCE
Date: Jul 07, 2004
what is it powered with?? DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike King Subject: Pietenpol-List: INSURANCE Hey Gang, I have just finished having my GN-1 inspected and ready to fly. Question is, after two years of inactivity and no insurance, who do you guys use for insurance coverage? Previous, I used Butler-Brown and paid around $700 for liability and $10,000 full-hull coverage. I am now awaiting a quote. Their underwriter ironically enough is headquartered a couple of blocks from me in Addison, Texas. I would be interested in finding out what other companies insure the PIET and what present day premiums can be expected. Thanks. Mike GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: INSURANCE
Date: Jul 07, 2004
what is it powered with?? DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike King Subject: Pietenpol-List: INSURANCE Hey Gang, I have just finished having my GN-1 inspected and ready to fly. Question is, after two years of inactivity and no insurance, who do you guys use for insurance coverage? Previous, I used Butler-Brown and paid around $700 for liability and $10,000 full-hull coverage. I am now awaiting a quote. Their underwriter ironically enough is headquartered a couple of blocks from me in Addison, Texas. I would be interested in finding out what other companies insure the PIET and what present day premiums can be expected. Thanks. Mike GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jon Botsford" <botsford7(at)hot.rr.com>
Subject: Piet for sale
Date: Jul 08, 2004
Fellow listers, I am posting this for a friend. If you want see some pictures, let me know and I will send them to you. If you want to get flying in a short time with a minimum of work this is a good deal!! Jon Botsford Pietenpol GN-1 AirCamper Continental A65 300 hrs on airframe(1986); about 150 hrs since engine overhaul A/C weighs 649 Gross wt 1149. No electrical. Req'd instruments. Damaged Left wing tip-five nose ribs and three 1/4 in rib strips. Have leading edge and req'd wood. Tennessee prop 12 g tank Waco TX $7000 . Contact Morris Norwood - located Lorena, TX USA . Telephone: 254-881-2150. More information is that the leading edge ribs have been re-made and lighting holes cut, ready for installation. All wood for further repair is on hand and repair proceeding. Have leading edge metal. Engine is a Continental A65-8 manufactured in April 1945, and shipped on 14 May 1945 to Pacific Airmotive. New Tennessee prop has been installed and torqued to specification along with propeller hub. Fabric on original is heavy Ceconite. If wing repair proceeds, new covering on left wing will be Stits process, light certified fabric. No electrical in plane. As, repair proceeds, price will continue to go up. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2004
From: Gary W Meadows <garymead(at)swbell.net>
Subject: Ken Perkins Hubs
Hey gang, A ghost from the past is back and reading the mail again! It's been a long time and there are some planes flying now that I remember were in the shop when I was last here. Mainly though, I wanted to brag about the hubs I just bought from Ken Perkins. They arrived today and I am super excited and wanted to tell everyone that if they want spoker wheels and for whatever reason can't or don't want to make 'em themselves, then order a set from Ken. I'm sure by now that you all know about them, but I just wanted to thank Ken in public for helping me get my project back on track again. I'm most of the way through getting some legs under this thing and now the biggest single holdup (the hubs) has been bypassed. I hope that I can focus more time, energy and $$ to the Piet and get her in the air..... See y'all around the list! Gary Meadows Spring, TX ps: Corky, I 'bout cried when I read your post about watching your baby leave it's nest. I'm sure that it's going to a loving home. It was sure lovingly constructed! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Ken Perkins Hubs
Date: Jul 09, 2004
Hi Gary, Good to see you back on the list. I'm in the final stages of painting mine now (too late for B-head and OSH, unfortunately). Hope to have it flying this month. Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary W Meadows Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ken Perkins Hubs Hey gang, A ghost from the past is back and reading the mail again! It's been a long time and there are some planes flying now that I remember were in the shop when I was last here. Mainly though, I wanted to brag about the hubs I just bought from Ken Perkins. They arrived today and I am super excited and wanted to tell everyone that if they want spoker wheels and for whatever reason can't or don't want to make 'em themselves, then order a set from Ken. I'm sure by now that you all know about them, but I just wanted to thank Ken in public for helping me get my project back on track again. I'm most of the way through getting some legs under this thing and now the biggest single holdup (the hubs) has been bypassed. I hope that I can focus more time, energy and $$ to the Piet and get her in the air..... See y'all around the list! Gary Meadows Spring, TX ps: Corky, I 'bout cried when I read your post about watching your baby leave it's nest. I'm sure that it's going to a loving home. It was sure lovingly constructed! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2004
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Welcome back, Gary M. from Texas
Good to hear you are making progress on your Air Camper wheels, Gary and that you are back on the list. Always nice to have a taildragger pilot AND A&P mechanic on the list who's building a Pietenpol. There are more guys from Texas on this list.........Jim Markle, Mike King, Jim Sury, Oscar Z, Gary M.... shoot, forgive me for the ones that slip my mind. I've met Jim Sury and he's a great guy along w/ Jim Markle. Welcome back and stay longer this time. all the best, Mike C. in Ohio ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Ken Perkins Hubs
Date: Jul 09, 2004
Jack, Look forward to seeing pictures. Alex Sloan Florence,'Al. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 6:18 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ken Perkins Hubs Hi Gary, Good to see you back on the list. I'm in the final stages of painting mine now (too late for B-head and OSH, unfortunately). Hope to have it flying this month. Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary W Meadows Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 12:33 AM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ken Perkins Hubs Hey gang, A ghost from the past is back and reading the mail again! It's been a long time and there are some planes flying now that I remember were in the shop when I was last here. Mainly though, I wanted to brag about the hubs I just bought from Ken Perkins. They arrived today and I am super excited and wanted to tell everyone that if they want spoker wheels and for whatever reason can't or don't want to make 'em themselves, then order a set from Ken. I'm sure by now that you all know about them, but I just wanted to thank Ken in public for helping me get my project back on track again. I'm most of the way through getting some legs under this thing and now the biggest single holdup (the hubs) has been bypassed. I hope that I can focus more time, energy and $$ to the Piet and get her in the air..... See y'all around the list! Gary Meadows Spring, TX ps: Corky, I 'bout cried when I read your post about watching your baby leave it's nest. I'm sure that it's going to a loving home. It was sure lovingly constructed! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2004
From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Piet for sale
Jon.. Should we plan on you and your wife for the Hamburger cookout? We hope you can come. :) -- Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 fax 254-853-3805 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 75 Anniversary Hats....
Date: Jul 09, 2004
From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu>
Brodhead is approaching faster that I expected, and I'm getting hats to the embroiderer today! I hope to get the hats done in time for the trip. This time around the hats will say something like Cherry Grove 75 Brodhead On the back and Low and Slow on the front. This edition will be done in Gold thread. I've got the same hat shells as last time, but with some added colors. Black seemed to be the most popular front bill size and so I ordered most in black. I do have a dozen each of the Green, Red, and Yellow Gold however. If you have particular request for N-numbers, Names, ETC let me know right away! Here is the specs and pricing: The Hat: Heavy Stone Washed Denim low crown unconstructed buckle back adjustment. Color is khaki with a green, red, black or gold bill. (sorry no blue this time....) One size fits all. Basically I got my favorite hat and called the manufacture and spec'd it from it. You will love it. It is crushable and comfortable. The Image: The 75 year anniversary image will be similar to the one referenced below. Check the web site if you want to see the revised image. http://aircamper.byu.edu The embroidery: 13000 stitches of the finest thread. I also worked an option for you to specify your own text up to 25 Characters for $5 i.e.: (Steve Eldredge NX7229R) The price $20 with standard message on the back "Cherry Grove 75 Brodhead" $25 your own message i.e.: (Steve Eldredge NX7229R) Free Shipping!!! (Especially if I can't deliver it in person to Brodhead) Send me an email including details and your Phone # to: steve(at)byu.edu Check or paypal OK. Paypal address is wifeopilot(at)sfcn.org Checks go to: Steve Eldredge 2810 E Canyon Rd Spanish Fork UT 84660 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject:
Date: Jul 09, 2004
I've just finished my aluminum fuel tank. I think I will slush it just for peace of mind. Can anybody recommend a slushing compound that is impervious to both av and car gas? Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Norman Stapelberg" <norshel(at)mweb.co.za>
Subject: 0-235 100Hp Questions
Date: Jul 09, 2004
Thanks I checked out the web site, very informative ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Norman Stapelberg" <norshel(at)mweb.co.za>
Subject: ZS-VJA Approaching deadline
Date: Jul 09, 2004
Check out the archive as DJ recommended the post should be on the 21 Feb 2004 Norman ZS-VJA Norm your in-flight prop failure sounds like a heck of a story. Any chance you could spare the time to share it with us on the Pietlist? Carl Vought/Huntsville, AL/USA ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <lebrandt(at)charter.net>
Subject: Pietenpol plans
Date: Jul 09, 2004
1.5 RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO Received: contains a numeric HELO I'm new to the group and am seeking a bit of information. I recently ordered a set of plans, fulls size rib template and a bunch of other items but have not received word that the PayPal order was recieved by them or that they will be shipping anytime soon. Calls to the phone numbers listed on their site or emails to their addresses brings no response. Did I catch them on vacation or do they not like Paypal orders charged to a credit card. Must say I am stumped. I sure would like to start studying a set of plans however. Looks like a wood workers dream come true. Thanks for any help. Leroy ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jon Botsford" <botsford7(at)hot.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Piet for sale
Date: Jul 09, 2004
Terry, I am sorry, but we will be enroute back from a trip that day. I am disappointed that we will not be able to attend. jon b ----- Original Message ----- From: <BARNSTMR(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet for sale Jon.. Should we plan on you and your wife for the Hamburger cookout? We hope you can come. :) -- Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 fax 254-853-3805 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TBYH(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 10, 2004
Subject: Starp
Saw the post about clamps a few days ago. I believe a starp is a cross between a sturgeon and a carp... ; ) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: KTS5TA6(at)wmconnect.com
Date: Jul 10, 2004
Subject: Re: Ken Perkins Hubs
Does anyone know if a set of Ken Perkins Hubs will be at Broadhead? I've been very interested in installing wire wheels on my GN-1 and Pietenpol (Frankenstein) and haven't been able to see any examples of actual wire wheels and hubs in my part of Texas. Thanks, Sterling Brooks Knot-2-Shabby Airport & Texas Longhorn Cattle Ranch San Antonio Sectional 5TA6 Central Texas ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 10, 2004
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Ken Perkins Hubs
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From: KTS5TA6(at)wmconnect.com
Date: Jul 10, 2004
Subject: Re: Ken Perkins Hubs
My dad got out of the hospital this morning, feeling well and roaring to go off on another adventure. Such is the life of a retired pilot with 28,000+ hours in his numerous logbooks... always ready for a trip I suppose. At this juncture, we look forward to seeing everyone at both Tick Hill Field and Broadhead. Pop will study the hubs and I bet he will try and make a set on his lathe when we get home. Thanks, Sterling ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <gcardinal(at)mn.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Ken Perkins Hubs
Date: Jul 10, 2004
Sterling, I have good digital pictures of hubs and spoked wheels. They are just under 1 meg each. If you can handle them I'll send them to you directly. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: KTS5TA6(at)wmconnect.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 6:37 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ken Perkins Hubs My dad got out of the hospital this morning, feeling well and roaring to go off on another adventure. Such is the life of a retired pilot with 28,000+ hours in his numerous logbooks... always ready for a trip I suppose. At this juncture, we look forward to seeing everyone at both Tick Hill Field and Broadhead. Pop will study the hubs and I bet he will try and make a set on his lathe when we get home. Thanks, Sterling ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Laurits Larsen" <pietlars(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Ken Perkins Hubs
Date: Jul 10, 2004
Hi: Re spoke wheel hubs; theres no big deal about making the hubs. Back in the Old BPA newsletter days a description/plans for making them was in the newsletter as built by Howard Henderson. Maybe there is still something on it in the archives. Its basically a 6"+ piece of 2" , .125 wall , 4130 tubing with a couple of 4130 12 or 13ga sheet discs 4"dia. welded on the tube. (Note , I made mine about 7" for the addition of a brake drum. Drill the discs for the number of holes needed to match what ever motorcycle rims you want to use. I happened to get 21" aluminum alloy rims with 40 spokes. SOme are 36. You can get the spokes cut to your specs from Buchanan's in California. Bronze 'oilite bearings to fit the axle you use, (I used 1.5" dia.) are press fitted into the hub tubes; thats all there is to it. Go for it!! Lou Larsen ----- Original Message ----- From: KTS5TA6(at)wmconnect.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 7:37 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ken Perkins Hubs My dad got out of the hospital this morning, feeling well and roaring to go off on another adventure. Such is the life of a retired pilot with 28,000+ hours in his numerous logbooks... always ready for a trip I suppose. At this juncture, we look forward to seeing everyone at both Tick Hill Field and Broadhead. Pop will study the hubs and I bet he will try and make a set on his lathe when we get home. Thanks, Sterling ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Ken Perkins Hubs
Date: Jul 10, 2004
The Howard Henderson article is in my file archive on mykitplane.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Laurits Larsen To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 7:02 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ken Perkins Hubs Hi: Re spoke wheel hubs; theres no big deal about making the hubs. Back in the Old BPA newsletter days a description/plans for making them was in the newsletter as built by Howard Henderson. Maybe there is still something on it in the archives. Its basically a 6"+ piece of 2" , .125 wall , 4130 tubing with a couple of 4130 12 or 13ga sheet discs 4"dia. welded on the tube. (Note , I made mine about 7" for the addition of a brake drum. Drill the discs for the number of holes needed to match what ever motorcycle rims you want to use. I happened to get 21" aluminum alloy rims with 40 spokes. SOme are 36. You can get the spokes cut to your specs from Buchanan's in California. Bronze 'oilite bearings to fit the axle you use, (I used 1.5" dia.) are press fitted into the hub tubes; thats all there is to it. Go for it!! Lou Larsen ----- Original Message ----- From: KTS5TA6(at)wmconnect.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 7:37 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ken Perkins Hubs My dad got out of the hospital this morning, feeling well and roaring to go off on another adventure. Such is the life of a retired pilot with 28,000+ hours in his numerous logbooks... always ready for a trip I suppose. At this juncture, we look forward to seeing everyone at both Tick Hill Field and Broadhead. Pop will study the hubs and I bet he will try and make a set on his lathe when we get home. Thanks, Sterling ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 10, 2004
From: Don Morris <pietbuilder(at)donsplans.com>
Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax)
Subject: Tell me about Broadhead
Hi. I'm a newbie on the list. I am building a steel tube fuselage and "end spinach" aircamper with a subaru ea-81 engine. I would guess that I am about 1/3rd done, but that is pretty hard to tell. My question is about the Broadhead gathering. I haven't found any concrete details anywhere, and I need to know a) when is it? b) do I need to advance register? c) will I need to pay admission? d) are there any other things that I should know? I intend to attend, along with a camera and notepad. -Don Morris ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Tell me about Broadhead
Date: Jul 10, 2004
> My question is about the Broadhead gathering. I haven't found any > concrete details anywhere, and I need to know > a) when is it? July 23-25 Check out: http://users.aol.com/bpanews/events.html > b) do I need to advance register? Nope > c) will I need to pay admission? Nope, but when you see what the Brodhead EAA Chapter provides you'll want to "pitch in"..... > d) are there any other things that I should know? Be prepared to take 3 times as many pictures as you expect.....There will be a lot of Pietenpol Air Campers and maybe a Scout or two......You'll maybe get a ride in a Pietenpol.....You'll see and hear a lot of them flying around.....You'll likely see an Air Camper Bernard himself built.....You'll see things you'll wish later in the building process that you had taken pictures of.....You'll meet some of the nicest people..... It's great.... JM > > I intend to attend, along with a camera and notepad. > > -Don Morris > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TBYH(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 11, 2004
Subject: Model A engine questions
Question: Who is the best expert in the Upper Midwest who can overhaul and convert a Model A engine for Pietenpol use? Many thanks for any recommendations! Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 11, 2004
From: Doc Mosher <docshop(at)tds.net>
Subject: Oshkosh AirVenture
This morning I visited with Charlie Becker of EAA Services. He reminded me of the unofficial format of the airplanes that will be parked around the Homebuilt headquarters. There is a new building to replace the previous tent, and it is really on the flight line. They are looking for "examples" of plans-built airplanes that have a completed cost of (1) under $10,000, (2) $10,000 to $20,000, and (3) $20,000 to $30,000. If you are planning to be at Oshkosh with your Pietenpol, get in touch with Charlie at cbecker(at)eaa.org. The airplane must have been built within the last 4 years (those $800 antiques of 1932 don't offer today's dollar comparison). I know a few Piets can come in at less than $10,000, and all of them (well, maybe not John Dilatush's astronautic Rocky Mountain Piet) can come in just a bit over $10,000. I am assuming that the "cost" means materials. Any takers? Doc Mosher Oshkosh USA ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 11, 2004
Subject: Plans and etc
From: Leroy Brandt <lebrandt(at)charter.net>
Andrew Thanks for the information on my order. Hope Don had a good report. Thanks to Jim as well for the photos. I've been enjoying looking at the drawings. Leroy Brandt ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 29R flies again.
Date: Jul 12, 2004
From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu>
After 4 months I'm back in the air and loving it. Stevee ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 12, 2004
From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: 29R flies again.
Good job Steve. WAY TO GO! Best wishes on your trip to Broadhead. Wishing I could go.. Terry B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: 29R flies again.
Date: Jul 12, 2004
Congratulations. Great picture. Alex Ssloan ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Eldredge To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:54 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 29R flies again. After 4 months I'm back in the air and loving it. Stevee ________________________________________________________________________________
From: KTS5TA6(at)wmconnect.com
Date: Jul 13, 2004
Subject: Pietepol (N1195P) and GN-1 project for sale
Pietenpol and GN-1 for sale and to be listed on Bay after Oshkosh. The Pietenpol (N1195P) was built in 1998, signed off by Atlanta FSDO but never flown. Please see Buckeye Pietenpol Website about this airplane. The original ad is still intact (dated 2-28-03) and was posted by the builder, Robert Linton of Mineral Bluff, GA. This airplane was never truly airworthy because when I got it home, I found a few defects concerning the construction. My inspection resulted in removing all of the fabric from the fuselage and wings. There are no gussets inside the fuselage in the tailcone but this can be fixed. In addition, the builder didn't prime or paint any of the metal parts inside the center section, wings and fuselage (don't ask me why...) Some of the metal parts in the wings holding compression struts need to be rebuilt, not do to rust, but to make them safer. A plywood section along the bottom in the tailcone needs to be replaced because of delamination from water damage. I think the plywood would be an easy fix. I think the woodwork on the wings is good and it appears that someone else may have actually built the ribs and spars. This airplane has a wing tank in the center section and a fuselage tank. Both are fiberglass, but the fuselage tank leaks. The builder ran a copper tube into the main tank from the wing tank and at this juncture, the copper turns easily in the tank. It needs to be rebuilt, an easy task if you have fiberglass experience. Also, the builder didn't use any turnbuckles on many of the wires and I'd suggest that the wires in the cabane area are too small and need to be replaced. I am keeping the engine and a few small items from the panel and the primer. I would further advise that all metal parts need to be sand blasted, primed and painted because of rust issues. The builder didn't use any primer on any metal parts. I have sand blasted the motor mount and cabanes and had them powder coated Bahama Blue. These parts now look very nice. The Pietenpol (fuselage and wings) might be trailered to Broadhead so interested parties can inspect the project and make a determination as to suitability. The GN-1 project is an 80% completed fuselage and it is so fine, I suspect it was built by a professional cabinet maker! The original ad for this is also posted on the Buckeye Pietenpol Website and I purchased this from D.J. Vegh about 4 months ago. All the wood is available to complete this airplane and nearly all the ribs are finished. D.J. Vegh built the ribs and he is very fastidious. The sale includes D.J.'s original rib jig and his laser cut metal plates. The fuselage is mounted on J3-Cub gear legs and includes a J3-Cub fuselage gas tank and tail wheel. I can provide more details about the GN-1 later. Sterling Brooks sterling(at)pgrb.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 13, 2004
From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Subject: Tick Hill Information
Howdy, For those who are planning to attend the Hamburger cookout at Tick Hill on Sunday afternoon.... I have added some files on the Mykitplane website to help you find Tick Hill. There's photos and maps.. check it out. http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=55 This is a new airstrip since December. Dirt work was completed in February this year. We have been blessed with a lot of rain this year which has helped our turf off to a good start. About two weeks ago...I was able to fly the Taylorcraft in and out within 24 hours of a 3 inch rain. Y'all come see us. -- Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 fax 254-853-3805 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 13, 2004
From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietepol (N1195P) and GN-1 project for sale
Sterling-- It doesn't sound like you are Pietenpol poor these days, thats for sure. But if you are looking to find a good solid airplane to be flying soon and at a good price... I recommend you take a look at Morris Norwood's GN-1 for sale nearby here in Hewitt, TX. It is a GN1 built in 1986 with a Continental A65. See attached pic. It has a little over 300 hours on it. Engine is low time. Currently LH wing is removed for wingtip & leading edge repairs due to taxi-hangar incident. The spar was not damaged. Mr. Norwood is asking $7000.00. Lon and I could help you make these repairs here in our shop and allow you to fly it home within just a few weeks. Mr. Norwood is planning to attend at Tick Hill this weekend. Perhaps you can ride over and look at the airplane with him (about 30 minute drive from Tick Hill). If I didn't have 6 kids to feed and clothe, I would buy it and fly it all summer... then take it down this winter for some changes to meet my personal preference. I would add cub-style cowling and repaint the fabric. Its a good airplane. Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 fax 254-853-3805 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 13, 2004
From: Doc Mosher <docshop(at)tds.net>
Subject: Sun'n'Fun Woodworking Tent
According to the June 1004 "Sun'n'Fun News": "Several of the Sun'n'Fun's educational workshops were approved by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) for Inspection Authorization (IA) Refresher Training courses. The designation recognizes the high quality and content of the information presented. Congratulations to workshop chairman Vic Boyce and his volunteer crew. This is a tremendous honor for Sun'n'Fun and all the people who work so hard to coordinate and present our educational activities." And we all know who the "volunteer crew" people are! Good going, guys! Doc Mosher Oshkosh USA ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka(at)charter.net>
Subject: Sloshing the fuel tank
Date: Jul 13, 2004
Don't slosh. You will regret it. Chris Bobka ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 11:07 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: I've just finished my aluminum fuel tank. I think I will slush it just for peace of mind. Can anybody recommend a slushing compound that is impervious to both av and car gas? Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: Sloshing the fuel tank
Date: Jul 13, 2004
ok... I'll bite..... what's to regret in sloshing a tank? please educate the uneducated. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Bobka To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 4:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sloshing the fuel tank Don't slosh. You will regret it. Chris Bobka ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 11:07 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: I've just finished my aluminum fuel tank. I think I will slush it just for peace of mind. Can anybody recommend a slushing compound that is impervious to both av and car gas? Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
Subject: Re: Sloshing the fuel tank
Date: Jul 13, 2004
Douwe, I sloshed my Pietenpol fuel tank in 1985, thinking this was a good idea. About 15 years later I had to build a new tank because the sloshing sealer had deteriorated and bits of it were floating around in the gasoline. Not a good situation!! Pressure steam cleaning didn't remove the sealer, and only made the situation worse. Perhaps it would have been OK with 80/87 had this fuel remained on the market. Alas, I had to switch to autogas and that may have been a factor. I dunno. In the meantime I, like Chris, don't recommend sloshing and I won't do it again. Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "tmbrant1(at)netzero.net" <tmbrant1(at)netzero.net>
Date: Jul 14, 2004
Subject: Brodhead ammenities / trips to Mckormicks
I've been off the list for a while but am hoping the upcoming trip to Brodhead will be what it takes to get me back in the game. Too many other projects have taken priority this summer. Does Brodhead have showers and bathrooms? I went last year but only for a couple hours while on the way to Oshkosh. Looking forward to spending the weekend there. Anyone planning a trip to Mckormick's Lumber in Madison while at Brodhead? I may go over and pick up some wing spar material. Tom B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: covering suggestions
Date: Jul 14, 2004
From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu>
Anyone have an opinion on the covering systems of choice? I'm about to cover my 108-2. Aircraft will be hangared. I want a shiny finish (I think) I don't want problems with the coatings in the future. I have used polyfiber before and like the process I have not used ceconite, and don't know anything about nitrate dopes (except they are flammable) Leaning toward Air-Tech coatings. I want a custom color. (deep purple and chrome yellow I think) Any suggestions welcome.... Steve Eldredge ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: insurance
Date: Jul 14, 2004
Well, I'm back from 35th anniversary vacation trip to Tahiti! Signed back onto the list and hope I didn't miss too much during the last 10 days or so. Mike wrote- >I have just finished having my GN-1 inspected and ready to fly. >Question is, after two years of inactivity and no insurance, who do you >guys >use for insurance coverage? >Previous, I used Butler-Brown and paid around $700 for liability >and $10,000 full-hull coverage. I am now awaiting a quote. I would be >interested in finding out what other companies insure >the PIET and what present day premiums can be expected. Well, of course you know you're not insuring a Pietenpol... you're insuring a Grega! But that aside, I just got insurance on NX41CC through Falcon, the EAA underwriter (also headquartered in Texas). Liability alone is $600/year and adding hull coverage of $15,000 doubles the premium to about $1200/yr. but I'm not a high-time pilot (under 500 hrs.) and have zero Piet time. Plenty of tailwheel time, but they want time in type, I guess. Interestingly, the agent told me that they are required to inform me that there is an additional premium if I want to include coverage if my airplane is used for terroristic acts (I declined the coverage). I almost fell out of my chair laughing (and so did he), especially since my ferry pilot Charlie had just told me about the ferry flight from Shreveport, LA to Zapata, TX with GPS groundspeeds sometimes around 35 MPH and having farm implements on the ground passing him up. Picture a Piet zooming through tightly-guarded TFR airspace, with the pilot determined to get to the President and Secretary of Defense, flour bomb (or toilet paper roll) in hand, ready to drop... Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: KTS5TA6(at)wmconnect.com
Date: Jul 14, 2004
Subject: Re: insurance
Oscar, you have underestimated the power of the mighty Pietenpol. A friend of mine successfully dropped adobe bricks (albeit one per flight) from his Pietenpol onto fire ant mounds. Never did any damage to the fire ants, but made them mighty mad. Plata ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 14, 2004
Subject: Re: insurance
Oscar, Happy your back. Poor ole Charlie didn't tell me how long it took him from Bryan to Zapata but when I called him he had been on the ground only 5 minutes and it was near dark in Louisiana. Hope you enjoy 41CC. Corky and Isabelle ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike King" <mikek120(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: insurance
Date: Jul 14, 2004
Oscar, Congratulations on getting your plane delivered to Texas. By the way, I did get my Grega insured through Butler-Brown Insurance. Their underwriter is in Addison, Texas, just a few blocks from my office near the Addison airport. Well anyway, liability was quoted at $350.00 and for liability AND full hull coverage at $10,000 brought the total to $560.00 for the year. Needless to say, I jumped on it last Friday so the plane is now fully insured for less than $600.00. Let's try to get the PIETs and GN-1s of Texas for a get together while it is still only 100 degrees. Take care. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: insurance Well, I'm back from 35th anniversary vacation trip to Tahiti! Signed back onto the list and hope I didn't miss too much during the last 10 days or so. Mike wrote- >I have just finished having my GN-1 inspected and ready to fly. >Question is, after two years of inactivity and no insurance, who do you >guys >use for insurance coverage? >Previous, I used Butler-Brown and paid around $700 for liability >and $10,000 full-hull coverage. I am now awaiting a quote. I would be >interested in finding out what other companies insure >the PIET and what present day premiums can be expected. Well, of course you know you're not insuring a Pietenpol... you're insuring a Grega! But that aside, I just got insurance on NX41CC through Falcon, the EAA underwriter (also headquartered in Texas). Liability alone is $600/year and adding hull coverage of $15,000 doubles the premium to about $1200/yr. but I'm not a high-time pilot (under 500 hrs.) and have zero Piet time. Plenty of tailwheel time, but they want time in type, I guess. Interestingly, the agent told me that they are required to inform me that there is an additional premium if I want to include coverage if my airplane is used for terroristic acts (I declined the coverage). I almost fell out of my chair laughing (and so did he), especially since my ferry pilot Charlie had just told me about the ferry flight from Shreveport, LA to Zapata, TX with GPS groundspeeds sometimes around 35 MPH and having farm implements on the ground passing him up. Picture a Piet zooming through tightly-guarded TFR airspace, with the pilot determined to get to the President and Secretary of Defense, flour bomb (or toilet paper roll) in hand, ready to drop... Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ========= ========= ========= http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list ========= ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 14, 2004
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: insurance
Oscar-- My Piet premium from a local agent here is $380/year for liability to include passenger but NO hull. Falcon was too high for my liking. The only way I would insure the hull is if I had a loan out on it. My logic is that you won't get anyone to rebuild a plane like that but yourself for the money they would give you-----esp. is you just bang a wingtip or shred a prop. Very few shops know fabric work anymore either. Mike PS-- congratulations on becoming a new Piet owner !!! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 14, 2004
Subject: Re: Watermellon Drops
Mike, Might I suggest a fleet of Piets with a bag of piggies under each wing for a flight over Iraq, Afgan, Paki, Iran, Saudi and any other of those pig loving communities. How many Piets could be carried in a C-5 with wings removed? With fuel so cheap in Iraq we could easily ask the beauros for a little help. Might be fun. Sure would create some excitement. YKW ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 14, 2004
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Watermellon Drops
I'd hate to hurt the pigs tho, Corky ! >Mike, >Might I suggest a fleet of Piets with a bag of piggies under each wing for >a flight over Iraq, Afgan, Paki, Iran, Saudi and any other of those pig >loving communities. How many Piets could be carried in a C-5 with wings >removed? With fuel so cheap in Iraq we could easily ask the beauros for a >little help. Might be fun. Sure would create some excitement. >YKW ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 14, 2004
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Watermellon Drops
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Date: Jul 14, 2004
From: "John Ford" <Jford(at)indstate.edu>
Subject: Re: Watermellon Drops
You guys ought to organize a flower-bag contest at Brodhead. It would be fun to watch... John Ford john(at)indstate.edu 812-237-8542 >>> Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov Wednesday, July 14, 2004 3:54:25 PM >>> I'd hate to hurt the pigs tho, Corky ! >Mike, >Might I suggest a fleet of Piets with a bag of piggies under each wing for >a flight over Iraq, Afgan, Paki, Iran, Saudi and any other of those pig >loving communities. How many Piets could be carried in a C-5 with wings >removed? With fuel so cheap in Iraq we could easily ask the beauros for a >little help. Might be fun. Sure would create some excitement. >YKW ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "tmbrant1(at)netzero.net" <tmbrant1(at)netzero.net>
Date: Jul 14, 2004
Subject: piets w/smoke at brodhead?
Will there be any smoke systems represented at Brodhead this year? I've seen the photos but would love to see it in person. Tom B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "tmbrant1(at)netzero.net" <tmbrant1(at)netzero.net>
Date: Jul 14, 2004
Subject: product available at Brodhead
Wondering what kind of products I might find at Brodhead - how big of checkbook should I bring? Hopefully Mike C. will bring videos, Steve. E. bringing hats - are there any other airplane related items that people are bringing - IE: hubs, props, projects, etc.... Tom B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 14, 2004
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: product available at Brodhead
I'm bringing a bunch of stuff I won't be using on my project, brake cylinders, a bunch of metal fittings I won't be using, etc. JM -----Original Message----- From: "tmbrant1(at)netzero.net" <tmbrant1(at)netzero.net> Subject: Pietenpol-List: product available at Brodhead Wondering what kind of products I might find at Brodhead - how big of checkbook should I bring? Hopefully Mike C. will bring videos, Steve. E. bringing hats - are there any other airplane related items that people are bringing - IE: hubs, props, projects, etc.... Tom B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: ADonJr(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 14, 2004
Subject: Re: Ken Perkins wheel hubs
Hey, Piet Guys, (and Gals), Not having welding skills, and wanting wire wheels for my Piet, I ordered a set of hubs from Ken. They came almost immediately and are beautiful! They feature Model T grease caps and excellent workmanship. I recommend them to anyone who can't, or doesn't want to fabricate his/her own. Don, (still cleaning out the garage) Cooley ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jeff Hill" <jeff2dogs(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Brodhead
Date: Jul 14, 2004
Just out of curiosity. Who is planning to attend? Name _______Jeff Hill___________ Flying or driving __hope to be flying in a buddies Baron to Monroe___________ Aircraft _______________ Departure point of origin __Trophy Club, TX (DFW area)___________ Hope to see lots of you guys there. Jeff ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Watermellon Drops
Date: Jul 14, 2004
Be real carefull here Corky. You don't want to get those watermelon rights groups mad. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Watermellon Drops Mike, Might I suggest a fleet of Piets with a bag of piggies under each wing for a flight over Iraq, Afgan, Paki, Iran, Saudi and any other of those pig loving communities. How many Piets could be carried in a C-5 with wings removed? With fuel so cheap in Iraq we could easily ask the beauros for a little help. Might be fun. Sure would create some excitement. YKW ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 15, 2004
Subject: Re: piets w/smoke at brodhead?
In a message dated 7/14/04 5:34:28 PM Central Daylight Time, tmbrant1(at)netzero.net writes: << Will there be any smoke systems represented at Brodhead this year? I've seen the photos but would love to see it in person. >> Tom, Mike C. has smoke, and maybe...just maybe, I will. Chuck G. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2004
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: piets w/smoke at brodhead?
Hello Tom-- I made it last year and made a few smoke runs. Steve E. has a system. A rich running carb is going to most likely keep me home this year. Gotta yank it and fix it. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2004
From: "John Ford" <Jford(at)indstate.edu>
Subject: Re: piets w/smoke at brodhead?
There is a picture of Mike's smoke tank on the Matronics photo site. I think it's picture 31 at this url: http://www.matronics.com/enclosures.html/Jford@indstate.edu.09.13.2003/ John John Ford john(at)indstate.edu 812-237-8542 >>> Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov Thursday, July 15, 2004 12:11:14 PM >>> Hello Tom-- I made it last year and made a few smoke runs. Steve E. has a system. A rich running carb is going to most likely keep me home this year. Gotta yank it and fix it. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: piets w/smoke at brodhead?
Date: Jul 15, 2004
From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu>
Guess who? Steve E -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ford Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: piets w/smoke at brodhead? There is a picture of Mike's smoke tank on the Matronics photo site. I think it's picture 31 at this url: http://www.matronics.com/enclosures.html/Jford@indstate.edu.09.13.2003/ John John Ford john(at)indstate.edu 812-237-8542 >>> Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov Thursday, July 15, 2004 12:11:14 PM >>> Hello Tom-- I made it last year and made a few smoke runs. Steve E. has a system. A rich running carb is going to most likely keep me home this year. Gotta yank it and fix it. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2004
From: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo(at)knology.net>
Subject: Re: Brodhead
I'm planning to catch a commercial flight for Chicago, where I'll rent a car and drive to Brodhead. L HSV Th, 7/22 A CHI ORD before noon. ETA Brodhead 4PCDT. Pray for good WX. I'll be packin' my photo album. Carl Vought wrote : > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2004
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
!
Subject: and a view from the front---killing bugs with wings and
smoke ! du> Steve-- your plane is kinda stealthy in that photo ! Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: piets w/smoke at brodhead?
Date: Jul 15, 2004
Well a rich carb will have the same effect as a smoke system ;-) bed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: piets w/smoke at brodhead? > > Hello Tom-- I made it last year and made a few smoke runs. Steve E. has a > system. > A rich running carb is going to most likely keep me home this year. Gotta > yank it and fix it. > > Mike C. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2004
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: A good article on how to get more power from your Ford
engine <001e01c46ab6$ec7b1d20$1b02a8c0@WorkGroup> I was searching Grant's old Webmaster's Notes and updates and came across this draft of an article that Lowell Frank wrote up about Ford engines. This is worth reading for you Ford guys: http://members.aol.com/hpieth/bpa/lowell.html Looking for an article by Brian Kenny which tells why it is not a good idea to use a VW in a Piet.......still searching Grant's site. I know it's buried there somewhere. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2004
From: Ron Hargrove <ronhargrove(at)gmail.com>
your Ford engine
Subject: Re: A good article on how to get more power from your
Ford engine <001e01c46ab6$ec7b1d20$1b02a8c0@WorkGroup> <5.1.1.5.2.20040716081747.01987088(at)popserve.grc.nasa.gov> Hey Mike, I found the article you were looking for. It is at http://users.aol.com/bpanews/3questions.html. Nice article. Ron wrote: > > I was searching Grant's old Webmaster's Notes and updates and came across > this draft of an article that > Lowell Frank wrote up about Ford engines. This is worth reading for you > Ford guys: > > http://members.aol.com/hpieth/bpa/lowell.html > > Looking for an article by Brian Kenny which tells why it is not a good idea > to use a VW in a Piet.......still searching Grant's site. I know it's > buried there somewhere. > > Mike C. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ wings and smoke !
Subject: and a view from the front---killing bugs with wings
and smoke !
Date: Jul 16, 2004
and smoke !
From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu>
Ahh the days before 9-11. I haven't connected up my smoke for a long time. When I was in Brodhead in 99' I left 4 gallons of smoke oil on the field. I wonder if it is still there? Its in a blue 5 gallon bucket. Stevee -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: and a view from the front---killing bugs with wings and smoke ! Steve-- your plane is kinda stealthy in that photo ! Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jake Crause" <admin(at)homebuiltairplanes.com>
Subject: First-time builder
Date: Jul 16, 2004
report Just a few questions from a soon to be first-time builder: 1. Is there a general consensus as to which spruce supplier provides the best materials and customer service at the best cost? Cost is important to me as I'm a Junior-Grade Warrant Officer in the Army learning to fly choppers and I've got a stack of student loans to pay!! However, quality is even more important to me and I will gladly scrape together extra pennies to guarantee I get quality materials. 2. I know I'm in for a heck of a learning experience being a first-time builder and choosing a pure plans-built machine as my first project (due to cost, no prefab parts for me). I've bought the Tony Bingelis book series as well as Sport Aviation magazine from the beginning to 2001 on CD-Rom to study anything I can find on the type of construction techniques I will run into on the Piet. I've also been reading any online builder logs I can find trying to glean as much info as possible. That being said, is there anything else I can do to better prepare myself mentally to tackle the Pietenpol? 3. A former GN-1 builder and current Hatz Classic builder over at homebuiltairplanes.com sent me his GN-1 plans to take a look at while I wait to get my Pietenpol plans. This way I can get a taste of what I am in for. For those of you who have seen both sets of plans, are the Pietenpol plans similar or do they have a different degree of detail? Has anyone written a builders manual to accompany the plans? Any details would be much appreciated. 4. I would also be very interested in hearing any other advice you think I should hear. Thanks in advance for your help and I look forward to your responses. Jake Crause www.homebuiltairplanes.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Andimaxd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 16, 2004
Subject: Re: First-time builder
Jake: Where are you stationed? You may have someone building a Piet right in your back yard. Max Arlington, TX. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jake Crause" <admin(at)homebuiltairplanes.com>
Subject: First-time builder
Date: Jul 16, 2004
report Right now I'm stationed at Ft. Rucker Alabama which is located in the Southeastern Corner of the state. I'll be finishing my training around the first of the year but don't have a clue (besides Iraq) where I'll be sent from here. Jake Crause -----Original Message----- From: Andimaxd(at)aol.com [mailto:Andimaxd(at)aol.com] Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First-time builder Jake: Where are you stationed? You may have someone building a Piet right in your back yard. Max Arlington, TX. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bert Conoly" <bconoly(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: First-time builder
Date: Jul 16, 2004
Jake: One of the nicest Piets I've ever seen is about 20 minutes from Rucker. Don Hicks has a beauty just south of Dothan, I forget the little town. There is another really nice one in Quincy Florida and I have a GN that's just about to taxi. E-mail me off list if you want more info. Bert ----- Original Message ----- From: Jake Crause To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 7:21 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First-time builder Right now I'm stationed at Ft. Rucker Alabama which is located in the Southeastern Corner of the state. I'll be finishing my training around the first of the year but don't have a clue (besides Iraq) where I'll be sent from here. Jake Crause -----Original Message----- From: Andimaxd(at)aol.com [mailto:Andimaxd(at)aol.com] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:03 PM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First-time builder Jake: Where are you stationed? You may have someone building a Piet right in your back yard. Max Arlington, TX. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: First-time builder
Date: Jul 16, 2004
Jake, I bought raw spruce and am cutting all my material my self on a table saw to the designated dimensions. I got a price from Aircrft Spruce for the Pietenpol kit and buying the precut kit was over $800.00. That much money bought me enough raw spruce to have loads left over when I get through making everything. Got it from McCormack's Lumber in Madison, Wisc. Carried it home on racks I made that bolted to my bumpers. Alex Sloan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jake Crause" <admin(at)homebuiltairplanes.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: First-time builder Just a few questions from a soon to be first-time builder: 1. Is there a general consensus as to which spruce supplier provides the best materials and customer service at the best cost? Cost is important to me as I'm a Junior-Grade Warrant Officer in the Army learning to fly choppers and I've got a stack of student loans to pay!! However, quality is even more important to me and I will gladly scrape together extra pennies to guarantee I get quality materials. 2. I know I'm in for a heck of a learning experience being a first-time builder and choosing a pure plans-built machine as my first project (due to cost, no prefab parts for me). I've bought the Tony Bingelis book series as well as Sport Aviation magazine from the beginning to 2001 on CD-Rom to study anything I can find on the type of construction techniques I will run into on the Piet. I've also been reading any online builder logs I can find trying to glean as much info as possible. That being said, is there anything else I can do to better prepare myself mentally to tackle the Pietenpol? 3. A former GN-1 builder and current Hatz Classic builder over at homebuiltairplanes.com sent me his GN-1 plans to take a look at while I wait to get my Pietenpol plans. This way I can get a taste of what I am in for. For those of you who have seen both sets of plans, are the Pietenpol plans similar or do they have a different degree of detail? Has anyone written a builders manual to accompany the plans? Any details would be much appreciated. 4. I would also be very interested in hearing any other advice you think I should hear. Thanks in advance for your help and I look forward to your responses. Jake Crause www.homebuiltairplanes.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka(at)charter.net>
Subject: I just got this from Cy Galley at EAA
Date: Jul 16, 2004
THE WAIT IS OVER FOR SPORT PILOT! At long last, the sport pilot/light-sport aircraft rule has cleared its final hurdle, as the rule package moved from the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) to FAA late Thursday. This is excellent news coming right before the start of AirVenture, where we will have a chance to celebrate the success of this new rule package and be able to answer the many questions from EAA members and other aviation enthusiasts who have been waiting with us for the emergence of the final rule. FAA has set a media briefing for Tuesday, July 20, to formally discuss the rule package with reporters, and EAA's Mary Jones will be attending that briefing. In addition, Doug Macnair and I will be in Washington next week to thank FAA Administrator Marion Blakey and the entire FAA team that worked hard to make this new opportunity for recreational aviation a reality. Also, EAA's Sport Pilot experts will be reading and analyzing the new rule as soon as it is published in the Federal Register next week, so we can provide accurate information regarding the new rule during AirVenture. The Sport Pilot tent in EAA Member Village will undoubtedly be a hub of activity during the fly-in. Sport pilot has long been a goal of the aviation community and provides the first rulemaking package specifically written for recreational flying. EAA is proud of its role to make personal flight more accessible and build aviation's infrastructure through this new entry-level base for pilots. It gives aviation enthusiasts a way to focus on the basics of flying by lowering costs while enhancing safety and security considerations. The light-sport aircraft portion of the regulation, meanwhile, opens the door to more affordable aircraft. EAA led the charge for this rule over the past decade to break down the barriers to safe, affordable and fun flying. Along the way, EAA helped forge an unprecedented partnership between government, industry and consumers that led to the creation of regulations and aircraft standards that are intended to be both thorough and practical. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: First-time builder
Date: Jul 16, 2004
Ft. Rucker huh?! That's where I was born...... right there at Lyster Army Hospital. My dad was an Air Traffic Controller at Hunt, Hanchey and Hatch Stagefields.... he's got lots of stories about guys learning to fly those whirlybirds. I got excellent spruce from Aircraft Spruce but the wait is usually pretty long for large orders. Wick's also has great wood and the wait it shorter. You picked the perfect first airplane.... a simpel plane to build with no need for too many special tools. If you haven't already, check out my website/construction log www.imagedv.com/aircamper So..... where's the place to party in that area?! used to be the bars in Enterprise..... DJ Vegh N74DV Mesa, AZ www.imagedv.com/aircamper ----- Original Message ----- From: Jake Crause To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 4:21 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First-time builder Right now I'm stationed at Ft. Rucker Alabama which is located in the Southeastern Corner of the state. I'll be finishing my training around the first of the year but don't have a clue (besides Iraq) where I'll be sent from here. Jake Crause -----Original Message----- From: Andimaxd(at)aol.com [mailto:Andimaxd(at)aol.com] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:03 PM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First-time builder Jake: Where are you stationed? You may have someone building a Piet right in your back yard. Max Arlington, TX. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2004
From: Don Morris <pietbuilder(at)donsplans.com>
Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax)
Subject: Re: First-time builder
<007e01c46ba0$4fab1cd0$84d95141@Centrino> Howdy all. I don't know about McCormack's Lumber from Madison. I purchased my lumber in large peices and cut it up myself, also. It was supposedly aircraft grade spruce, but when I got it home and planed it, my runout limits exceded the prescribed 15:1 in a few places. I wished that I had spent a *little* bit more and gottten some higher quality spruce. Of course, the ultimate cheap way to build is to find someone else's project, and purchase it for frequently pennies on the dollar. Ebay and barnstormers.com are good places to watch. Here is a sample listing from barnstormers.com. AIRCRAFT SPRUCE . AVAILABLE FOR IMMEDIATE SALE . Quantity of sitka spruce for sale, a steal at $350.00 e-mail for complete list. started pietenpol project but changed my mind, need to sell. . Contact Aaron Hunsucker <http://www.barnstormers.com/contact_seller.php?to=30053&id=37307&title=Aircraft+spruce&return=%2Flisting.php%3Fmode%3Dsearch%26total_pages%3D1%26filters%3DYToxNDp7czo3OiJLZXl3b3JkIjtzOjk6InBpZXRlbnBvbCI7czoxMToiRGVzY3JpcHRpb24iO3M6MDoiIjtzOjg6IkhlYWRsaW5lIjtzOjA6IiI7czoxMDoiUGFydE51bWJlciI7czowOiIiO3M6MTI6Ik1hbnVmYWN0dXJlciI7czowOiIiO3M6NToiTW9kZWwiO3M6MDoiIjtzOjc6IkNvbXBhbnkiO3M6MDoiIjtzOjU6IlN0YXRlIjtzOjA6IiI7czo4OiJMYXN0TmFtZSI7czowOiIiO3M6OToiRmlyc3ROYW1lIjtzOjA6IiI7czo3OiJDb3VudHJ5IjtzOjA6IiI7czo1OiJFbWFpbCI7czowOiIiO3M6MTI6IkNvbXBhbnlFbWFpbCI7czowOiIiO3M6ODoiQ2F0ZWdvcnkiO3M6MToiICI7fQ%253D%253D> - located Clifton, TN USA . Telephone: 931 676-5245 . Posted May 10, 2004 . Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser <http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?mode=usersearch&user=sparky> . Recommend This Ad to a Friend <http://www.barnstormers.com/recommend.php?id=37307&title=Aircraft+spruce> . Send a Message <http://www.barnstormers.com/contact_seller.php?to=30053&id=37307&title=Aircraft+spruce&return=%2Flisting.php%3Fmode%3Dsearch%26total_pages%3D1%26filters%3DYToxNDp7czo3OiJLZXl3b3JkIjtzOjk6InBpZXRlbnBvbCI7czoxMToiRGVzY3JpcHRpb24iO3M6MDoiIjtzOjg6IkhlYWRsaW5lIjtzOjA6IiI7czoxMDoiUGFydE51bWJlciI7czowOiIiO3M6MTI6Ik1hbnVmYWN0dXJlciI7czowOiIiO3M6NToiTW9kZWwiO3M6MDoiIjtzOjc6IkNvbXBhbnkiO3M6MDoiIjtzOjU6IlN0YXRlIjtzOjA6IiI7czo4OiJMYXN0TmFtZSI7czowOiIiO3M6OToiRmlyc3ROYW1lIjtzOjA6IiI7czo3OiJDb3VudHJ5IjtzOjA6IiI7czo1OiJFbWFpbCI7czowOiIiO3M6MTI6IkNvbXBhbnlFbWFpbCI7czowOiIiO3M6ODoiQ2F0ZWdvcnkiO3M6MToiICI7fQ%253D%253D> I don't know the quality, and I don't know if it is still available, but if you are going to build a piet on a budget, you will have to become very good at scrounging parts. As to other stuff to look at - I would recommend an AC-43.13-1B. This can be purchased at a variety of places, and it is the FAA's handbook on how to properly repair most older aircraft. This is not all that expensive, and can come in handy when you are routing lines, rib stitching your wings, etc. What engine are you planing to use, or have you gotten that far? -Don Morris "A fool and his money are some party!" > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2004
From: Don Morris <pietbuilder(at)donsplans.com>
Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax)
Subject: Propeller Info, anyone?
Hello all. I am at that stage where I need to begin thinking about propellers. My project is to be powered by a Subaru EA-81 engine (US version) which makes 75 horsies at 5250 rpm. I am gearing down by 2.72:1, which puts my intended redline (not the engine's) at about 1900 RPM. I am doing this because a large slow turning prop is more efficient at low speeds, and Piets don't fly at high speeds. Now to my questions. Flying and Glider Magazine recommends a 72 by 42? inch prop for a Model A engine, which swings it at 1700 rpm or so (I think). I would like to stick with the 72 inch prop, but does anyone know how much coarser I should set the pitch for my additional horsepower? (about 75 vrs 40) Also, does anyone know where to purchase propellor carving templates to use in carving the prop. There is a software package available that outputs templates - it cost $100. Should I just buy the program? Any input will be digested. -Don ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2004
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: First-time builder
<007e01c46ba0$4fab1cd0$84d95141@Centrino> <40F89A73.9070001(at)donsplans.com> Check here for the whole shebang in pdf http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/99C827DB9BAAC81B86256B4500596C4E?OpenDocument And another source http://www.moneypit.net/~pratt/ac43/ Clif if you are going to build a piet on a budget, you will have to become very good at scrounging parts. As to other stuff to look at - I would recommend an AC-43.13-1B. This can be purchased at a variety of places, and it is the FAA's handbook on how to properly repair most older aircraft. This is not all that expensive, and can come in handy when you are routing lines, rib stitching your wings, etc. What engine are you planing to use, or have you gotten that far? -Don Morris "A fool and his money are some party!" ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2004
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Propeller Info, anyone?
<40F89D03.50207(at)donsplans.com> http://www.nicon.org/chapter328/PropDesign/ http://members.tripod.com/moasiaircraft/simple_propeller_design.htm http://www.woodenpropeller.com/index.html And saving the best for last; http://www.flyingflea.org/docs/WoodenProps.htm Clif Subject: Pietenpol-List: Propeller Info, anyone? > > Hello all. > > I am at that stage where I need to begin thinking about propellers. My > project is to be powered by a Subaru EA-81 engine (US version) which > makes 75 horsies at 5250 rpm. I am gearing down by 2.72:1, which puts > my intended redline (not the engine's) at about 1900 RPM. I am doing > this because a large slow turning prop is more efficient at low speeds, > and Piets don't fly at high speeds. > -Don ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 17, 2004
Subject: Re: I just got this from Cy Galley at EAA
Chris, Thanks for the long awaited news. Really sounds too good to be true. It's about what I should have expected coming through a month AFTER I passed 41CC on to better hands. Seems like I've always ended up sucking hind tit. Probably because of the compliments I've given the beauros and their cousin 3, 4, and 5 letter organizations. I do want to publicly apologize to the FAA, EAA, AOPA for the lack of faith and respect I've shown these last few years. Impatience is naughty thing. Seems like I have never used much. Anyway Chris, thanks again for thinking of me in relation to Sport Pilot. I hope this will inspire me to go to the shop and get busier on 311CC. Y'all have a good time at Brodhead. Corky ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Waytogopiet(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 17, 2004
Subject: Re: First-time builder
Jake....I saw Bert Connoly's mention of my Piet in reply to your post. As he said, we are very close to Fort Rucker. I would be delighted to help in any way I can. You can reach me at _www.waytogopiet(at)aol.com_ (http://www.waytogopiet@aol.com) or phone me at (334)588-2422. Welcome to Alabama and the Piet community. Don Hicks ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jake Crause" <admin(at)homebuiltairplanes.com>
Subject: First-time builder
Date: Jul 17, 2004
report Everyone: Thanks for the great response! I can tell I've chosen the right design, not only because of its great looks and other qualities, but because it has a great group of builders willing to help folks like me. Several builders have contacted me on the side to offer support and the opportunity to look at their projects. A newbie like myself cannot ask for more than that. DJ: Your site was the first I read from front to back. Very informative and easy to read -thanks for taking the time to put it on the web for the rest of us. As far as party spots here at Rucker? We do manage to have a good time now and then, but mostly my head is buried squarely in the books. Don Morris: Thanks for the advice on buying a partially completed project. I'm sure I could save a ton of money but I think I'm going to stick with building everything myself. The building process is as much of the destination for me as the flying and I really look forward to the day when I can point to my Piet and know every part of it is mine. However, after I've got 500 hours into the project, I may change my mind. But, for the moment, I'm feeling pretty idealistic. :> Don Hicks: I'll contact you off list. Thanks! Jake ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2004
From: del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: First-time builder
Don Morris wrote: Howdy all. I don't know about McCormack's Lumber from Madison. I purchased my lumber in large peices and cut it up myself, also. It was supposedly aircraft grade spruce, but when I got it home and planed it, my runout limits exceded the prescribed 15:1 in a few places. I wished that I had spent a *little* bit more and gottten some higher quality spruce. >>>>>>I bought mine from mccormicks and was very happy with it. run out in certain spots? certainly ....but not a problem, pick out the best pieces for spars and longerons, and use the rest for all of the short pieces that you need. Del-New Richmond, Wi "farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com" --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Esslinger" <aquanaut(at)indy.rr.com>
Subject: Engine for Pietenpol
Date: Jul 17, 2004
Has anyone out there had any experience with a Revmaster 2100D on a air camper? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 17, 2004
Subject: Re: Tour America
pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Dear Gang, Well, ol' Chuck emailed early this morning to say that he was about 2 hours from leaving Wichita for his "Tour America". Who would have ever guessed he'd have a tailwind on his way to Texas. Northers are unheard of for July in Texas. I understand he's aiming for Kitty Hawk airport north of Plano today... then on southward to our place at Tick Hill tomorrow. I heard he may be joined in Plano by Mike King in his GN1 for the trip to Central Texas. We are looking forward to having you, Chuck and others for the big hamburger cookout tomororw evening. Leann already has the good sheets on the fold-out couch for you. On Monday...my father-in-law are planning to escort Chuck in the '39 Taylorcraft for a leg or so on his trip Northeasterly toward Corky's place from here. Wish we could go all the way to Broadhead. Maybe next year. Terry B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Tour America
Date: Jul 17, 2004
Well, Chuck's almost on his way....on the phone with him now....4:45pm.....he's going to try to do at least a copule hours tonite and finish it off tomorrow morning..... He's running a bit late....he can still make it to Tick Hill tomorrow just without the stop in Plano this evening...oh well.... I figure his timing will be just about right so we can leave home about the time he flys thru the Dallas area tomorrow and get there about the same time (well, I'll probably have to drive a bit UNDER the speed limit but that's ok....) JM ----- Original Message ----- From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com To: Rcaprd(at)aol.com ; Andimaxd(at)aol.com ; jim_markle(at)mindspring.com ; pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 4:12 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tour America Dear Gang, Well, ol' Chuck emailed early this morning to say that he was about 2 hours from leaving Wichita for his "Tour America". Who would have ever guessed he'd have a tailwind on his way to Texas. Northers are unheard of for July in Texas. I understand he's aiming for Kitty Hawk airport north of Plano today... then on southward to our place at Tick Hill tomorrow. I heard he may be joined in Plano by Mike King in his GN1 for the trip to Central Texas. We are looking forward to having you, Chuck and others for the big hamburger cookout tomororw evening. Leann already has the good sheets on the fold-out couch for you. On Monday...my father-in-law are planning to escort Chuck in the '39 Taylorcraft for a leg or so on his trip Northeasterly toward Corky's place from here. Wish we could go all the way to Broadhead. Maybe next year. Terry B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2004
From: Don Mosher <docshop(at)tds.net>
Subject: Using a VW engine in a Pietenpol
In the Spring 2004 issue of Sport Aviation Association's To Fly magazine, there is an article with photos titled "A Pair of 'Grassroots' Engines for Your Homebuilt." The article points out that there are two engine types that seem to be emerging as automobile conversions (read that as "affordable") that can power the homebuilts that need 70 to 100 hp. "For this article, where we are comparing 70-100 hp automobile conversion kits, we have chosen kits from three different suppliers. Great Plains and AeroConversions each provide a modernized Volkswagen engine, while William Wynne provides a modernized General Motors Corvair engine." Each of the VW-based engines provide something like 75 hp, and the Corvair provides 100 hp. Take your choise. It is very true that the earlier VW engines did not provide the reliable power needed for a high drag Pietenpol airplane. Those old VWs turned out doubtful horsepower and had some bad features, such as a tendency to crack crankshafts in flight. The new 2004 conversion kits from either Steve Bennett (Great Plains) or John Monnett (AeroVee) provide at least 75 hp (dynamometer tested) and are far more reliable than the earlier engine from the old Bug or the Love Vans, although they did great things in their day (best we had). Great Plains www.greatplainsas.com AeroVee www.aeroconversions.com The old adage that "you should never try to power a Piet with a VW conversion" no longer holds true. The 2004 engine kits that I have referenced are quite different from the old style. Both, however, to fulfill the promise of reliable power must be built to the conversion kit manuals TO THE LETTER. William Wynne's Corvair conversion kit looks attractive at a weight penalty to achieve it's 100 hp , and it can be built for less money than the two VW-based kits. There are a number of Corvair-powered Piets, since 1963. www.flycorvair.com Any of the three can do the job. John Monnett's test stand (he uses it for the two different Jabiru engines and the AeroVee conversion) now has an integral dynamometer, so he knows exactly what the power output is from any AeroVee engines built up here in Oshkosh. I know Steve Bennett at Great Plains also has access to such a test stand. On the Pietenpol, anyone can tell you that more hp is better. The Ford, turning at a slow rpm and putting out a low hp, turns that low hp into excellent thrust, and thus can adequately (?) power the Piet. You pays your money - you takes your choice. Doc Mosher Oshkosh USA ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms(at)msn.com>
Subject: Stuff at Brodhead
Date: Jul 17, 2004
Randy Bruce (aka: Capt. Buck Naked) has designed a fantastic 75th anniversary T-shirt and will have them at the reunion. He has slowed down on his Piet the past year so I'm hoping all the activity during the anniversary will spur him on to get his finished up. I wrapped up the list of things that needed to be done for the trip next week. It's all done except for throwing a bag of clothes in the front 'pit and heading out!! The anticipation of the trip to Brodhead never wears thin. I would have left already but my boss probably wouldn't understand. I can't wait for retirement! I'm going to leave here (Cincinnati, OH) early Tuesday morning and spend a night or two at friendly little airports that have been hospitable in years past. Can't wait!!! See Y'all at C37................ Larry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TomTravis(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 17, 2004
Subject: Re: Stuff at Brodhead
Hi Larry, I'll see you at OSH. Arriving Monday about noon and hoping classic parking is still open. Tom N4252D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Whaley" <MerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Sport pilot official on the Piet's 75th anniversary...
how appropriate
Date: Jul 17, 2004
You know, with 20-20 hindsight, it's suddenly crystal clear why Sport Pilot took so danged long to come out... they wanted to wait for the big anniversary of the original "sport pilot" plane! :) I bet a lot of us are going to have really nice dreams tonight! -Mike (future Sport-Piet Pilot) Mike Whaley merlin@ov-10bronco.net Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association http://www.ov-10bronco.net/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2004
Subject: Revmaster
From: rhartwig11(at)juno.com
>Has anyone out there had any experience with a Revmaster 2100D on a air >camper? David, The short answer is: I have never heard of one. There may be some out there, but I have never heard of a successful direct drive VW engine on a Pietenpol AirCamper. The first problem is that the Pietenpol AirCamper was originally designed for the very heavy Ford Model A engine. Pietenpol also redesigned the AirCamper for the heavy Corvair engine (about the same weight as an O200.) Even with these heavy engines builders find that they have to move the wing back for correct weight and balance. On most VW powered aircraft, you sit between the spars--on the AirCamper you set behind the rear spar. To get the proper CG with a VW you might have to extend the engine mount forward until the plane resembled a P-51/AirCamper or attach a lot of lead to the engine mount. The AirCamper is a slow, "dirty" airplane. Large, slow turning props seem to work best on that type of plane. The KR series of aircraft, designed for the VW engine are fast, light and clean, but those that approach the 1250# gross weight of a Pietenpol are generally marginal in performance when using the large displacement VW's. The trend even in these sleek planes is for builders of heavy KR's to use Corvairs or Continentals. The modern VW engine may put out 75 to 80 HP, but the prop describes a relatively small disk and is turning high RPM's and is therefore not as efficient as a larger, slower turning prop. The net thrust is much less than a Continental of equal HP. You could try using a prop speed reduction drive. That would allow you to have a large slow turning prop and would add the needed weight for Weight and Balance. It might work, but you would also be adding complexity and cost. The Corvair engine costs less, puts out more HP, the "Corvair fuselage" was designed for the engine by Pietenpol and there are a lot of AirCampers flying successfully with that engine. Most Corvairs turn a relatively small prop at a higher RPM than aircraft engines (slower than VW), but there is a lot of horsepower available. ....and not much has to be said for proven aircraft engines like the Continental 65 thru 100HP. There..."I've said my piece." now I'll wait for the "corrections." Dick Hartwig Waunakee, WI ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "baileys" <baileys(at)ktis.net>
Subject: Re: Using a VW engine in a Pietenpol
Date: Jul 18, 2004
One other little bit to add to Don Mosher's comments re the VW; Valley Engineering (aka Culver Props) http://www.culverprops.com/ makes a reduction drive for the VW that is as near bullet proof as one can get. Steve Bennett of Great Plains sells it and if it weren't O.K. he would not handle it. I have a friend that has it installed on a 1915cc VW in his Zenith 701. The 701 has almost exactly the same flight profile as a Pietenpol low and slow, high drag, 1100 pound gross weight and it flies very well with the VW. So if you want a big slow turning prop you can do it with the VW by using the redrive. As Don said the Corvair is going to cost less than the VW but if for some reason you want something else (lower fuel burn perhaps or less weight) don't be afraid of the VW. One caveat is that the VW must be cooled properly especially the heads. Take proper care of this and you should have a long running reliable engine. Bob B. - Missouri ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Update.....Re: Tour America
Date: Jul 18, 2004
Update:......Just talked to Chuck (at 9:30amCST)...he's in Cushing Oklahoma getting ready to leave there in about 10 minutes....he'll fly directly to Aero Country, I'll meet him there with fuel and he'll then leave for Tick Hill...... JM ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Markle To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 5:01 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tour America Well, Chuck's almost on his way....on the phone with him now....4:45pm.....he's going to try to do at least a copule hours tonite and finish it off tomorrow morning..... He's running a bit late....he can still make it to Tick Hill tomorrow just without the stop in Plano this evening...oh well.... I figure his timing will be just about right so we can leave home about the time he flys thru the Dallas area tomorrow and get there about the same time (well, I'll probably have to drive a bit UNDER the speed limit but that's ok....) JM ----- Original Message ----- From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com To: Rcaprd(at)aol.com ; Andimaxd(at)aol.com ; jim_markle(at)mindspring.com ; pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 4:12 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tour America Dear Gang, Well, ol' Chuck emailed early this morning to say that he was about 2 hours from leaving Wichita for his "Tour America". Who would have ever guessed he'd have a tailwind on his way to Texas. Northers are unheard of for July in Texas. I understand he's aiming for Kitty Hawk airport north of Plano today... then on southward to our place at Tick Hill tomorrow. I heard he may be joined in Plano by Mike King in his GN1 for the trip to Central Texas. We are looking forward to having you, Chuck and others for the big hamburger cookout tomororw evening. Leann already has the good sheets on the fold-out couch for you. On Monday...my father-in-law are planning to escort Chuck in the '39 Taylorcraft for a leg or so on his trip Northeasterly toward Corky's place from here. Wish we could go all the way to Broadhead. Maybe next year. Terry B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Andimaxd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 18, 2004
Subject: Re: Update.....Re: Tour America
Who's going to get to tick hill first, you or him? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <wingding(at)usmo.com>
Subject: kirk huizenga
Date: Jul 18, 2004
Is Kirk Huizenga still on the Piet list and if so, are you coming to Brodhead or Oshkosh and what of the cowling, do you still have it? Dennis Engelkenjohn ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Corky the Sport Pilot
Date: Jul 18, 2004
Corky; The Sport Pilot "rule" is not quite a rule yet... I know you're kicking yourself, but it ain't over till the fat lady sings (not talking about Marion Blakey, either). I, too, distrust this bunch of "bureaus" as you call them- and until you see it in print, don't go jumping to conclusions. Not that I don't believe the thing will become reality eventually, but it seems to take a while for the FAA to understand even its own rules. Witness the discussions we've had on this very list about local DAR's and inspectors who don't know their own rules, even when you show 'em the book! Now go tell some crusty old FAA salt that you're going to go fly your airplane using only your valid driver's license, and see what he says! But hey, I'll gladly sell you NX41CC back, same price, same condition- anytime. You are a gentleman and a man of your word, and I want no ill feelings if you're having second thoughts. If you're just grousing in general (as I'm sure you are), I know why it is: your family quack (er, doctor) told you to swear off the Wild Turkey and branch water, and you don't have anything to take the edge off things anymore! I'm sitting here sipping some wine after enjoying some grilled amberjack (freshly caught in the Gulf) with rice, and wonder if I wouldn't be grousing too, if all I had to sip was water. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jake Crause" <admin(at)homebuiltairplanes.com>
Subject: First-time builder
Date: Jul 18, 2004
report I had quite the enjoyable experience today and I would like to publicly thank Don Hicks for spending 5 hours out of his day to give me a crash course on what it takes to build an Aircamper. He patiently took me through the ins, outs, pros and cons of building the Piet and also gave me the opportunity to drool over his nearly finished Model A powered beauty. Thanks Don for the great hospitality and education. Thanks to all of you who emailed me off and on-list with great info and pointed me in directions I didn't know existed. It was those emails and Don's hospitality that made my decision to purchase the plans, glider manual, and Mike's video this evening a very easy one. Not only is the Piet a great looking and, reportedly, flying aircraft, it's got one of the best group of builders I've seen. Thanks again. Sincerely, Jake Crause ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "rod wooller" <rodwooller(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Control Horns
Date: Jul 19, 2004
I am buiding the control horns for the rudder and elevators and notice that if I use an AN3 bolt and locknut to fasten the horn, the height of the nut is such that it will protrude into the fabric covering, although the bolt head should clear it OK. I am thinking of using an AN316 thin check nut and peining the bolt end over to stop it comeing loose, but would appreciate some advice. Many thanks Rod Wooller Chidlow Australia Wishing you all a great time at Brodhead l Protect your inbox from harmful viruses with new ninemsn Premium. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp?banner=emailtag&referrer=hotmail ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Control Horns
Date: Jul 19, 2004
The hardware on the Monocoupe my buddy has was peened over at that very location. chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "rod wooller" <rodwooller(at)hotmail.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Horns > > I am buiding the control horns for the rudder and elevators and notice that > if I use an AN3 bolt and locknut to fasten the horn, the height of the nut > is such that it will protrude into the fabric covering, although the bolt > head should clear it OK. > I am thinking of using an AN316 thin check nut and peining the bolt end over > to stop it comeing loose, but would appreciate some advice. > > Many thanks > Rod Wooller > Chidlow > Australia > > Wishing you all a great time at Brodhead l > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your inbox from harmful viruses with new ninemsn Premium. Go to > http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp?banner=emailtag&referrer=hotmail > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: sport pilot
Date: Jul 19, 2004
Can you guys give me the details of what sport pilot is? Or where I can go to get the "dish"?? I remember with the recreational pilot thing, a lot of the flight schools didn't want to do it, seemed they didn't make as much. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Sport Pilot
Date: Jul 19, 2004
I'm quessing that Sport Pilot will be announced at Oshkosh. I'm glad I'm going to be part of the celebration. See you @ Brodhead Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2004
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Using a VW engine in a Pietenpol
Dave--- not to discount what Doc Mosher had posted about the newer line of VW Aero Conversions out there ---- (they are great little engines) but you might want to read this account authored by Andrew Pietenpol in regard to using a VW variant on his Grandfather's design: http://users.aol.com/bpanews/3questions.html Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2004
From: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo(at)knology.net>
Subject: Re: Corky the Sport Pilot
What a refreshing demonstration of good manners and generosity!! Oscar, you made my day!...Carl Vought/Huntsville, AL wrote : > > Corky; > > The Sport Pilot "rule" is not quite a rule yet... I know you're kicking > yourself, but it ain't over till the fat lady sings (not talking about > Marion Blakey, either). I, too, distrust this bunch of "bureaus" as you > call them- and until you see it in print, don't go jumping to conclusions. > > Not that I don't believe the thing will become reality eventually, but it > seems to take a while for the FAA to understand even its own rules. Witness > the discussions we've had on this very list about local DAR's and inspectors > who don't know their own rules, even when you show 'em the book! Now go > tell some crusty old FAA salt that you're going to go fly your airplane > using only your valid driver's license, and see what he says! > > But hey, I'll gladly sell you NX41CC back, same price, same condition- > anytime. You are a gentleman and a man of your word, and I want no ill > feelings if you're having second thoughts. If you're just grousing in > general (as I'm sure you are), I know why it is: your family quack (er, > doctor) told you to swear off the Wild Turkey and branch water, and you > don't have anything to take the edge off things anymore! I'm sitting here > sipping some wine after enjoying some grilled amberjack (freshly caught in > the Gulf) with rice, and wonder if I wouldn't be grousing too, if all I had > to sip was water. > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike King" <mike(at)mking.us>
Subject: Insurance
Date: Jul 19, 2004
Gang, A couple of weeks ago I requested any information regarding current insurance rates. My plane was down for two years but is now current and ready to go. Since that time, I have insured the plane with Butler-Brown Insurance of Oskaloosa, Iowa. 1985 Grega GN-1 Hangered Hull All Risk - $10,000 Deductibles: $100 Not in Motion $1,000 in Motion Liability - $1,000,000 combined single limits $1000,000 per passenger Medical Coverage - $3,000 per seat Approved for Pleasure and business Annual Premium - $560.00 Coverage held through US Specialty Insurance Company Thanks for all your input. I hope this might help some builders out there. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas ________________________________________________________________________________
From: KTS5TA6(at)wmconnect.com
Date: Jul 19, 2004
Subject: Texas Air Camper Pilots & Wannabees
I have membership cards for all the Texas folks who own or are building or wanting an Air Camper. If you want to join this prestigious group (membership fee is a bottle of Corona beer at the next meeting, but if you don't make the next meeting, no problema, we can waiver the fee and send your card muy pronto anyway.) Send me your snail-mail address as and I'll put your membership card in the mail to you. We'll figure out the Corona hand-off some other time. The new Texas group was kind of formed on Sunday during a moment of enlightenment when Chuck Gantzer flew his Pietenpol over Terry Bowden's Tick Hill Air Field. "Wow" us wannabees said, as we gazed up into the sun when Chuck flew over. (Maybe looking into the Texas sun is what provided the moment of enLIGHTENment? Regardless, this was a good group of folks to meet and everyone had a great time. Terry and LeAnn cooked up a great round of burgers and proved that Texas Hospitality (and Bowden burgers) can't be beat. Oh, yes... Our newly formed group will be extending HONORARY membership cards to folks who reside outside of Texas. For grumpy people (Texans and non-Texans), we extend ORNERY membership cards. However, Grumpy people need to be nominated by either an HONORARY member of our prestigious group or a real Texan. Membership fee for an ORNERY member is a case of Corona. (Chuck was the first non-Texan indicted in our group, I mean INDUCTED into our (sorry Chuck) I didn't mean to suggest you ran into trouble with the law down here. We have room in our organization for everyone, even grumpy folks and those who actually have been INDICTED. We hope to be working on some kind of annual event for a Fly In down here (none of our members know anything about it yet cause I just made it up) in the H eart Of Texas (HOT as in sweat) Texas Air Camper Organization. By the way, a blank space on the membership card is suitable for attaching a picture of your mug in your leather helmet, scarf and goggles, so people will think you are a real-live barnstormer. We encourage members to laminate their prestigious membership cards once they arriive. (Remember, the card is free but bring a Corona to the next meeting so we can properly indict you :) I mean induct you. Membership cards will be mailed to y'all if and when I get back from Wisconsin. Sterling Brooks Knot-2-Shabby Airport & Texas Longhorn Cattle Ranch 5TA6, San Antonio Sectional (NOTAMS... Land At Your Own Risk, fresh/moist cowchips on runway. Bring your own soap & water) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: KTS5TA6(at)wmconnect.com
Date: Jul 19, 2004
Subject: TACO membership addendum
It has been brought to my attention that members of the clergy should be exempt from the membership dues in TACO, (Texas Air Camper Organization). In place of the aforementioned membership dues for a TACO membership card, a donation to a collection plate of their respective congregation will suffice. I regret this error and offer my apology for this insensitive oversight. Members of the clergy will also be exempt from duties at HOT TACO. S.B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Insurance
Date: Jul 19, 2004
Mike, What are you using to turn the prop? Alex Sloan ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike King To: Pietenpol Discussion Group Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 11:12 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Insurance Gang, A couple of weeks ago I requested any information regarding current insurance rates. My plane was down for two years but is now current and ready to go. Since that time, I have insured the plane with Butler-Brown Insurance of Oskaloosa, Iowa. 1985 Grega GN-1 Hangered Hull All Risk - $10,000 Deductibles: $100 Not in Motion $1,000 in Motion Liability - $1,000,000 combined single limits $1000,000 per passenger Medical Coverage - $3,000 per seat Approved for Pleasure and business Annual Premium - $560.00 Coverage held through US Specialty Insurance Company Thanks for all your input. I hope this might help some builders out there. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: sport pilot
Date: Jul 19, 2004
I was just watching Fox news and there was a screen crawler announcing that the Sport Pilot has received final approval. Dick N. a proud watcher of Fox News ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: Insurance
Date: Jul 19, 2004
I asked that same question a couple weeks ago and never got an answer... maybe two "askers" might get an answer. :) DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Sloan To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance Mike, What are you using to turn the prop? Alex Sloan ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike King To: Pietenpol Discussion Group Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 11:12 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Insurance Gang, A couple of weeks ago I requested any information regarding current insurance rates. My plane was down for two years but is now current and ready to go. Since that time, I have insured the plane with Butler-Brown Insurance of Oskaloosa, Iowa. 1985 Grega GN-1 Hangered Hull All Risk - $10,000 Deductibles: $100 Not in Motion $1,000 in Motion Liability - $1,000,000 combined single limits $1000,000 per passenger Medical Coverage - $3,000 per seat Approved for Pleasure and business Annual Premium - $560.00 Coverage held through US Specialty Insurance Company Thanks for all your input. I hope this might help some builders out there. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: sport pilot
Date: Jul 19, 2004
good man.... another Fox News fan! Looks like the word is out that Sport Pilot is almost a reality! DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Navratil To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 7:52 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: sport pilot I was just watching Fox news and there was a screen crawler announcing that the Sport Pilot has received final approval. Dick N. a proud watcher of Fox News ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2004
Subject: Photos posted - Tick Hill
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=208 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Sport Pilot question
Date: Jul 19, 2004
who will be allowed to teach students for the Sport Pilot ticket?? I heard about 2 yrs ago that any Private Pilot who has gone through some "special training" would be allowed to instruct Sport Pilot Students. This sounds a little too good to be true.... who gots the 411 on this?? DJ _ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv(at)imagedv.com>
<003901c46e18$8841ca60$6401a8c0@Desktop>
Subject: Re: Sport Pilot question
Date: Jul 19, 2004
never mind.. just found the answer... it is too good to be true! from faa.gov _________________ I would like to become a light-sport aircraft instructor and I do not hold a flight instructor certificate issued under 14 CFR part 61. How would this proposal affect me? (SFAR section 155) You would have to obtain a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating. To get it, you would have to- a.. Be at least 18 years old; b.. Have a sport pilot certificate or at least a private pilot certificate; c.. Receive and log ground training in the fundamentals of instruction(SFAR section 113); d.. Receive and log ground and flight training in specific aeronautical areas (SFAR section 115); e.. Meet aeronautical experience requirements (SFAR section 117); and f.. Pass the FAA knowledge tests and practical test with a FAA designated pilot examiner (SFAR section 119). The FAA would issue you a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating and your logbook would be endorsed authorizing you privileges to provide training in that specific category, class, and make and model of aircraft. ________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: DJ Vegh To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:15 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sport Pilot question who will be allowed to teach students for the Sport Pilot ticket?? I heard about 2 yrs ago that any Private Pilot who has gone through some "special training" would be allowed to instruct Sport Pilot Students. This sounds a little too good to be true.... who gots the 411 on this?? DJ _ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tugwilsons(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2004
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/18/04
Hello, I saw a reference on the digest to the Pietenpols gross weight as 1250lbs. Here in England the Piet with 6"x1" routed spruce spar is only rated at 1080lbs though I don"t know where this figure came from. Does anyone know if the stress calculations for this type of spar have been done? Or if they are available? regards Tug Wilson ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tugwilsons(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2004
Subject: Re:Mike King insurance
Hi Mike , Do you have an e-mail address for this insurance company? regards Tug Wilson ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TomTravis(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2004
Subject: Re: TACO membership
Sterling, I'd like to nominate Mike Cuy for membership in HOT TACO. He's contributed so much to the Pietenpol community that I think we can overlook his lack of knowledge about beer. Maybe we can get him down to Texas and properly indoctrinate him. Tom Travis ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2004
Subject: Tour America
Chuck appeared over Bluebird Hill yesterday at 1935 and landed after two high speed smoke runs. He was met by Edwin Johnson, Isabelle and Corky. After fueling and hangaring went to Corky's for Beer and shrimp and other Isabelle goodies. IT's 7:53 and he's still upstairs sleeping like a baby. He'll depart Bluebird sometime this morning on a 10 degree heading for Arkadelphia, Ark and parts north bound for Brodhead. Pilot in good shape and spirits. YKW ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike King" <mike(at)mking.us>
Subject: Re:Mike King insurance
Date: Jul 20, 2004
Tug, Here is the contact info: Lisa Alderson Aviation Manager BUTLER-BROWN INSURANCE, INC. 309 High Avenue East P.O. BOX 410 Oskaloosa, IA 52577 641 673-8603 800 934-7763 www.butlerbrownins.com <http://www.butlerbrownins.com/> bbins(at)butlerbrown.com Hope that helps. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tugwilsons(at)aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re:Mike King insurance Hi Mike , Do you have an e-mail address for this insurance company? regards Tug Wilson ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike King" <mike(at)mking.us>
Subject: Insurance
Date: Jul 20, 2004
Sorry guys. I guess that one got by me. My GN-1 came to me (I'm the fifth owner) with a McCauley 69x39 metal prop on an A-80 Cont. The original builder had a wooden 72x42 Univair prop. The third owner put the current prop on it. Bottom line, I want to change it back to the larger wooden 72x42 prop for better performance. I believe that and installing gap seals will make it even more responsive. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DJ Vegh Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance I asked that same question a couple weeks ago and never got an answer... maybe two "askers" might get an answer. :) DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Sloan <mailto:alexms1(at)bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance Mike, What are you using to turn the prop? Alex Sloan ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike King <mailto:mike(at)mking.us> Group Subject: Pietenpol-List: Insurance Gang, A couple of weeks ago I requested any information regarding current insurance rates. My plane was down for two years but is now current and ready to go. Since that time, I have insured the plane with Butler-Brown Insurance of Oskaloosa, Iowa. 1985 Grega GN-1 Hangered Hull All Risk - $10,000 Deductibles: $100 Not in Motion $1,000 in Motion Liability - $1,000,000 combined single limits $1000,000 per passenger Medical Coverage - $3,000 per seat Approved for Pleasure and business Annual Premium - $560.00 Coverage held through US Specialty Insurance Company Thanks for all your input. I hope this might help some builders out there. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ron Kaser" <rak67(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Model "A" Cam Shaft
Date: Jul 20, 2004
I'm working on the engine for my Pietenpol and have 2 cam shafts with different dimensions on the llobes. Can someone direct to where I can get specs on Model A cam shafts so I can determine if I have an "A", "B", or modified cam shaft. Thanks Ron Kaser New to this list from Kellogg MN Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Ragan" <lragan(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TACO membership
Date: Jul 20, 2004
Being a native Texan, I was proud to see my fellow Lone Star compatriots form the HOT TACO organization. I think that's going to lead to othernew Air Camper groups. Perhaps: California Air Camper Assn.- CACA (no comment) Florida Air Camper Organization - FLACO (for us skinny people, or those of us who wish we were) I'm sure there'll be others. Larry Ragan Jacksonville, Fl. lragan(at)hotmail.com Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2004
Subject: Chuck Gantzer Touring America
Well, after a hearty breakfast and some flight planning, a trip to Wallie's for some additional baby (smoke) oil and other things, more flight planning, pre fighting, loading and unloading and loading he finally took off for Arkadelphia at 1400 hrs blazing smoke down the runway. He will stop either at Arkadelphia, Hot Springs, Petite Jean State Park or Mountain Home for an overnight. He is healthy and in good spririts Corky ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2004
Subject: A blazing take- off from Bluebird
A few pics of Chuck's first visit to Louisiana ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: drain valves
Date: Jul 20, 2004
Hey guys...I'm just finishing up the mold for my composite 12 gallon cowl tank and I need to know if a cowl tank has a drain valve for draining off water from the sump or is that a no no cause it might leak inside the plane?????? Thanks in advance Ed .... PS I got side tracked by a female for about a year but she's gone and I'm back to building.....Have a great time at Brodhead...wish I could make it but I have to work ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Model "A" Cam Shaft
Date: Jul 20, 2004
Hi Ron I have an old Mac's ford Model A cataloge with specs in the back. It says the A cam is 1 9/16" diameter on the bearings with a .302 lift....Hope that helps Ed >From: "Ron Kaser" <rak67(at)hotmail.com> >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model "A" Cam Shaft >Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:08:09 -0500 > > >I'm working on the engine for my Pietenpol and have 2 cam shafts with >different dimensions on the llobes. Can someone direct to where I can get >specs on Model A cam shafts so I can determine if I have an "A", "B", or >modified cam shaft. > > Thanks Ron Kaser > >New to this list from Kellogg MN > >_________________________________________________________________ >Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ > > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: KTS5TA6(at)wmconnect.com
Date: Jul 20, 2004
Subject: Re: TACO membership
Hey... Us folks down here in Texas are only privy to have the honor of being a TACO Head Honcho for the town we live in. The membership card I am sending you states you are the Head Honcho for the entire state of Ohio. Nobody else has that honor, just Lindy guys. PACO (since I may have offended a few Baptist preachers at Tick Hill concerning the beer thing) Preachers Air Camper Organization Your card and spiffy Tee Shirt will be in the mail muy pronto. Leaving for Broadhead by car tomorrow unless my parents have some kind of emergency. My mom now has brain cancer and is taking radiation every day at a $1,000 a pop. And speaking of my Pop, he is staying here, so those folks at Broadhead won't get to hear nay good war stories I am afraid. Adios and Blue Skies S.B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: KTS5TA6(at)wmconnect.com
Date: Jul 20, 2004
Subject: Re: TACO membership
Consider it done. I am already working on his membership card. Mike is so good, he is exempt from the Corona indictment! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: KTS5TA6(at)wmconnect.com
Date: Jul 20, 2004
Subject: Re: TACO membership
Larry: Your card is in the computer ready to be printed. I guess we will try and put a gator on it somewhere. What address do I send the card to? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "walt evans" <wbeevans(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: A blazing take- off from Bluebird
Date: Jul 20, 2004
Corky and Chuck, A big thumbs up from me!!! Those pics are GREAT!! He's doing a thing we all would want to do. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 3:51 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A blazing take- off from Bluebird A few pics of Chuck's first visit to Louisiana ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "walt evans" <wbeevans(at)verizon.net>
Subject: sport pilot
Date: Jul 20, 2004
http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/sportpilot/ walt evans NX140DL ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: prop
Date: Jul 20, 2004
I was just browsing Barnstormers and came across a Sensenich Metal Prop for sale. It's in the antique classic heading for $1500. Listed by Bill Robicheau in Montillo, Wi. 608-429-2899. Dick N. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2004
Subject: Re: Tour America
In a message dated 7/20/2004 8:03:52 AM Central Standard Time, Isablcorky(at)aol.com writes: > He'll depart Bluebird sometime this morning on a 10 degree heading for > Arkadelphia, Ark and parts north bound for Brodhead. I am not laying any money on that Morning departure.... He was 3pm getting away from Tick aHill Yesterday. :) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2004
Subject: Chuck Gantzer America Tour
A moment ago Chuck called in from Mountain View, Arkansas. Said he has never flown through more beautiful country. Left Bluebird in Shreveport at 1400, stopped for fuel and baby oil in Arkadelphia, and flew on to Mt, View for a total flight of just under 6 hrs. He opted for a hotel tonight and admitted he's dragging -ss. He may encounter some non-Pietenpol weather as he penetrates Missouri and Illinois. Corky ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2004
Subject: Re: Chuck Gantzer Touring America
In a message dated 7/20/2004 2:35:33 PM Central Standard Time, Isablcorky(at)aol.com writes: > he finally took off for Arkadelphia at 1400 hrs blazing smoke down the > runway I figured as much.... ahhh.... the life of a real live barnstormer...no set schedule... sleep in....fly out sometime after lunch....fly 'til dark....Chuck is our Hero! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2004
Subject: Re: Tour America
I fully understand what you are saying. I finally persuaded him into a 2 PM departure. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2004
Subject: Re: Chuck Gantzer Touring America
In a message dated 7/20/2004 2:46:25 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov writes: > PS-- Baby oil for smoke oil, eh ? Now that's a good idea. Plus I'll > bet his hands are smooth as a baby's butt. Did you shake his hand ? > > The stuff I use just smells like airshow. I have to say.....that baby oil stuff has a sweet smell to it. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2004
Subject: Re: Insurance
Mike... One thing to keep in mind is that the A-80 was designed to get its 80 hp at 2700 rpm. If you put that longer prop with 42 pitch...it will probably not turn up enough RPMs to make 80 hp. My guess is that it will probably only make about 2300 rpm static with the 72-42. You'll get the best takeoff performance from a prop that will allow the engine make near the 2700 RPM as rated. Terry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 21, 2004
Subject: Tick Hill - notes
Group, We want to say to all those who came to our place on Sunday....Thanks for coming! This comes from me and my wife Leann....the kids....and my in-laws (and Piet partners)...Lon and Carolyn Carr. I feel proud to be a part of a GREAT bunch of folks. It seems like the ol' Pietenpol Air Camper just attracts fine down-home folks. It was great to put a face with all the names I correspond with. Everyone who came treated us and our property with the utmost respect and all contributed to make the cookout wonderful. It was truly a special event for me and my family. We will remember this for a ling time. And having Chuck here in his REAL-LIVE flying Piet was a treat. Watching him circling above Tick Hill with the smoke trail really helps inspire one to work harder on that project. Here's a run-down of most of the people who attended. I am kicking myself for not having a sign-in sheet or a guestbook. I am sure I am leaving some out...but here goes....... 1st to arrive in a tiny red sports car were Doyle Combs and His Grandson (also Doyle). Doyle tells me he was a Baptist preacher for several years...lives in Lometa TX. Doyle and Doyle are just about finished with their cross-bred Piet-N-Grega GN-3 Aircamper... or something like that. His airplane is powered with a Subaru engine. Doyle...glad you came....looks like you have your grandson off to a great future as a Piet enthusiast. Y'all come back to Tick Hill in your airplane soon. Next to arrive were Mr&Mrs Hank Styne and their Piet-N-Partners..Mr&Mrs Chuck Jackson. Both arrived in stylish white cars...one a Town Car, I think. I've seen their pretty little A-65 Pietenpol in Grandview TX...and it is a sweet looking bird. Hank...its too bad you had a fuel leak in the site gage. Hope you can bring your airplane down to see us again soon. While talking to them I suddenly heard the hum of an airplane....looked up in time to see Tom Travis and Mike King buzz in from Dallas in Tom's "Ratty 'ol Bonanza". Tom.... if your Piet turns out that RATTY...I am sure it will be a beauty. I barely got time to see them land...when I noticed several more folks coming in. Max and Andi Davis brought in a watermelon which we later devoured. Others who arrived were Morris Norwood... Sterling Brooks... and local friends...Chris and Michelle Hoke. Everyone stood around a bit getting acquainted and then we all went to look over our Piet project out in the shop. We heard from Jim Markle that he was going to be a NO-SHOW. Jim was really disappointed to have to break the news. We were too, JIm. I am sure tho that your family needed you more than we did. I hope you guys have a safe and fun trip to Disney. Mike King and I went into the office to download his pictures from earlier that day. Mike and Tom had met up with Chuck Gantzer on his first Texas stop in McKinney at Aero Country airport. They had left awhile ahead of Chuck for the V-tail ride to Tick Hill. We were enjoying the photos when my son Benny burst in to say..."HE'S HERE". We all went outside and looked up to see a little red piet overhead puffing out beautiful white smoke against the Blue sky. What a site. Everyone made their way out near the runway to watch a couple of sweet smelling fly-bys...with a big YEEEEE HAWWWW from our hero, Chuck. Then he brought it in for a nice touch-down...and was greeted by all as he shut down. More visiting...lots of stories and smiles...and a photo session...I couldn't help but notice how we had a diverse group of interesting and eccentric folks. There was a Boeing 777 airline pilot...a retired engineer, a truck driver.... a Pastor.... you name it...everyone likes Piets. It was then time to light off the grill. Lots of folks pitched in to help with the food. Burgers...chips....cole slaw...cookies... cake....watermelon...iced tea... As good as all that was...I could hardly eat for all the excitement.... plus.... the sun getting low in the sky.....it was time to go FLY! Some folks had to leave...some stayed. Some had rides in the Taylorcraft...some in the Piet. Some made a run into town for more baby oil...(for Chuck's smoke system). We did some air-to-air formation flying...got some great pictures of Chuck in his Piet...and some of the t-craft. The kids got rides....and the older kids too. As the sun was setting against the Horizon....Tom and Mike climbed back into the Bonanza and burst out for the trip back to big D. By dark...we went in to the house to soak up a little AC and replenish the hydration levels. Leann had the couch bed all made up for Chuck. She and the kids went on to bed... As for me and Lon, and Chuck....we stayed out in the shop going over the project Piet for hours....I think we finally hit the sack around 1:30 am. I had scheduled a vacation day for Monday...so I was all set for another fun day ahead. I barely got any sleep for tossing and turning with visions of Pietenpol formation flying in my head. Monday morning.... Lon and I were up early... Cinnamon rolls in the oven...fueling up the T-craft...getting ready to escort Chuck to Shreveport or most of the way. We assumed Chuck would like to get an early start. As the morning wore on.... it became more and more obvious that Chuck seemed in no particular hurry. He gave my kids rides in the airplane....and they practiced their TP bombing skills over Tick Hill. Benny was perfectly on target and by the end of the flight had also learned the proper articulation of YEEEE HAAWWWWs from the master himself....Chuck. We finally got around to doing some flight planning by noon or so.....and the Texas Sun bore down....topping out around 99 degrees by the time we were ready to head out toward Bluebird Hill. Finally...we took-off at 3pm. Forming up on his right wing....we zigged and zagged along an easterly course with Chuck leading the way. Its amazing to me how many birds like to fly at 2000 ft. AGL. It was pretty hazy that day. Very slight headwind. Over Mexia TX...Lon and I pulled the T-craft in close for a wing-waggle farewell and wished our Barnstorming friend a safe journey. We peeled off and headed for home ....both of us with great big smiles from a great Weekend of fun and Pietenpol fellowship. Again....to Chuck...and to all who came. Thanks for coming...and keep moving forward on those projects so you can all fly-in to Tick Hill sometime soon. Terry B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2004
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: drain valves
Hey Ed, Good to see you posting on the list again. For my nose fuel tank I only put in one drain valve and then let the gascolater catch the water (if you should get any) at the bottom of the firewall. When I park outside overnight I put a plastic spray can lid over my fuel filler neck so no dew or rain gets in thru the wire/cork float. Glad to hear you have survived the clutches of giving a female too much attention and not enough to your project:) Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2004
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Nose Tank Sketch Attached
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From: "Mike King" <mike(at)mking.us>
Subject: Insurance
Date: Jul 21, 2004
Terry, Mr. Ray Hegy of Hegy Propellers and the folks at Sensenich wooden propellers in Plant City, Florida said based on the A-80 engine, they recommended a 72x42. The 69x39 metal prop on it now was installed by the third owner because he broke the 72x42 wooden one and replaced it with one he already had. From what I gather, the 69" prop on it now is not putting out the thrust a longer 72" prop would. Maybe some other guys out there with A-80 engines have some good input as well. Thanks Terry and again, what a great time at your place at Tick Hill. We have to do it again. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BARNSTMR(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance Mike... One thing to keep in mind is that the A-80 was designed to get its 80 hp at 2700 rpm. If you put that longer prop with 42 pitch...it will probably not turn up enough RPMs to make 80 hp. My guess is that it will probably only make about 2300 rpm static with the 72-42. You'll get the best takeoff performance from a prop that will allow the engine make near the 2700 RPM as rated. Terry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: drain valves
Date: Jul 21, 2004
Thanks Mike...I have another question for you ...I'm close to bolting in my rudder pedals and putting in my firewall...but haveing live controls in a cockpit with non-pilot type passengers sounds like a good way to get dead....Didn't I hear somewhere that you made your rudder pedals so that you could easily disconnect and reconnect them??? If so could you give me some idea of how you did it.....Thanks Ed >From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov> >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: drain valves >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:11:23 -0400 > > > >Hey Ed, Good to see you posting on the list again. For my nose fuel tank >I only put in one drain valve and then let the gascolater catch the water >(if you should get any) at the bottom of the firewall. When I park >outside overnight I put a plastic spray can lid over my fuel filler neck so >no dew or rain gets in thru the wire/cork float. Glad to hear you have >survived the clutches of giving a female too much attention and not enough >to your project:) > >Mike C. > > Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to Dig Yourself Out of Debt from MSN ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2004
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
rules........
Subject: some Answers to the Sport Pilot/Light Sport Aircraft
rules........ from the EAA hotline: Quick Answers to Sport Pilot Questions Here is a collection of answers to some of the more common Sport Pilot questions received this week at EAA headquarters. Gross weight 1,320 pounds (600 kilograms) Floatplanes 1,430 (650 kilograms) Maximum Full Power Speed 120 knots (138 mph) Stall Speed 45 knots (52 mph) =B7 no more dual stall speeds Fixed Prop - may be ground adjustable Fixed Gear - amphibians allowed "repositionable" gear Two- Place - pilot and one passenger Day VFR Driver's License Medical Approved - however, if you have received a letter with the word "denied" from FAA, not from your doctor, you must get a one-time special issuance or FAA authorization =B7 even if you have been denied in the past, you can try again for special issuance (medicines have changed, for example) =B7 more on this as EAA continues to analyze the new rule. Owner Maintenance Approved on ELSAs - no changes - if you are operating an Amateur-Built or Standard category as an LSA, maintenance remains as it was without change. No Recertification of aircraft required or permitted (this means ultralights are converted to ELSAs; all other aircraft certification and maintenance remain the same). Rule Effective Date 9/1/04. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 21, 2004
Aircraft rule...
Subject: Re: some Answers to the Sport Pilot/Light Sport Aircraft
rule... Mike or anyone else: Question? Will a Champ and / or a Cub fall under Sport Pilot Aircraft? Corky ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2004
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: removable control stick
Ed--- when I give rides I have the option of removing the front control stick but I only really do that when I fly solos and have my baggage sack in the front. I like letting all my passengers take the controls when we get to cruise. I do however let them know that they need to keep their feet back of the front ash cross member on the floor and to not kick the braided fuel line hose and fuel valve area. I also tell them to lean towards the right side of the cockpit because many a Piet pilot has been surprised in the air or on the ground by a "mystical unexplained sudden throttle movement or frozen throttle" !!!!! The passengers can bump your front throttle and not even know they did it. Another fix is when (and I heard this from another Piet pilot) the passenger is so big or leaning to the left on final that his or her body or arm prevents you from moving the throttle at all !!!!!!!!! It happened to a guy I know in flight and he had no intercom to tell the passenger to get off the throttle. The pilot had to cut the ignition intermittently to descend and land for gosh sakes ! Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2004
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Champ or Cub qualify for Sport Pilot/ LSA ?
Corky-- from what I can tell by the gross weights of these two planes they should conform to the new rules unless they are the advanced versions like a Super Cub or an all electric 100 hp Champ, etc. The basic Champ and Cub seem to fall right in line with the specs they have provided. Mike unless you buy that full IFR retractable Super Cubchamp out there........ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Nose Tank Sketch Attached
Date: Jul 21, 2004
Wow Mike... Thanks, thanks, thanks....I started my cowl tank mold a year ago and your drawing reminded me that I need to put a spacer in the mold so the tank will clear and sit on the ash support for the motor mount....Man....you saved my butt a ton of extra work later on.....Like cutting my new tank apart.....I had forgotten all about that and the support's not in there yet so I probably wouldn't have thought about it 'til the tank didn't fit in the hole!!!!!! I owe you beer Buddy... Ed >From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov> >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nose Tank Sketch Attached >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:24:16 -0400 > ><< PietNoseTankSketch.jpg.jpg >> http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2004
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Nose Tank Sketch Attached
Glad the sketch helped, Ed ! I'll be thirsty when that cold one comes our way:)) Mike C. > > >Wow Mike... Thanks, thanks, thanks....I started my cowl tank mold a year >ago and your drawing reminded me that I need to put a spacer in the mold >so the tank will clear and sit on the ash support for the motor >mount....Man....you saved my butt a ton of extra work later on.....Like >cutting my new tank apart.....I had forgotten all about that and the >support's not in there yet so I probably wouldn't have thought about it >'til the tank didn't fit in the hole!!!!!! I owe you beer Buddy... Ed > > >>From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov> >>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nose Tank Sketch Attached >>Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:24:16 -0400 >> >><< PietNoseTankSketch.jpg.jpg >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 21, 2004
Subject: Re: Chuck Gantzer America Tour
Jon, Just a minute ago talked with Chuck Gantzer at Mountain View, Ark. He is leaving at 13:30 and estimating Farmington, Mo at 15:30 with expected tail wind. He wants you to call the FBO there and leave your number and he will call you when he arrives if that's ok with you. Corky, Chuck Gantzer's Operations Officer ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TomTravis(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 21, 2004
Aircraft rule...
Subject: Re: some Answers to the Sport Pilot/Light Sport Aircraft
rule... Question: If we violate some FAR do they pull our driver's licence? How would they know from a driver's licence if the FAA has denied us a medical. Having dealt with the FAA for a long time, I give them lots of credit for being lazy and inept. Never underestimate their ability to make life miserable if they take a notion though. Witness Bob Hoover. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 21, 2004
Subject: Re: Chuck's Tour
Kip, I think it best for you and the net to know Chuck's cell phone number. That way you can talk directly. He seems to be doing fine. haven't heard from him since he was at Mountain View, Ark. Corky Chuck Gantzer 316 253 7832 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2004
From: HOEVELMANN <hoevelmann(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Control system
Hello all. I am having some problems figuring out the control system. What holds the torque tube down at the front and rear of the plane that allows it to rotate. Also what size tubing and pulleys would you recommend. The print calls for 20 Gage steel pipe. Thanks for your help. James J Hoevelmann ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 21, 2004
Subject: Chuck Gantzer and the America Tour
Pieters and interested friends, steak, corn and potatoes. Jon Jones who lives in Ironton but works in Farmington met Chuck at Farmington airport on landing. Jon is hosting Chuck tonight. Chuck said it was another beautiful flight. Sometimes his GPS indicated a speed in knots faster than his air speed in the plane. Said he climbed 300 ft with throttle pulled and nose down. He must have been on a roller coaster. Weather is not looking favorable for tomorrow so he has no definite plans. His cell # is 316 253 7832. Corky, Chucks Operation NCO ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Insurance
Date: Jul 21, 2004
Yeah but the A-80 engine does make more power at all RPMs because the compression is higher and the carb venturi and jets are a little bigger, most other things being equal. The important think to note is that the W72CK42 prop as typically used on the Taylorcraft, Cub, Champ, Chief. etc. that are powered by the A-65 is limited to 65 hp and 2350 or so RPM. To say again the W72CK42 is limited to 65 hp. The prop maker would have to know the hp/rpms involved so the proper wood cantilevered beam structure is present in the propeller. This is all per the sensenich type certificate data page you can find where airplane type certificate data sheets are found on the faa website. My W76CK42 prop is good to 90 hp. My W70DK42 is good to 80 hp. There are RPM limits that come with these but I forget what they are except that they correspond with the RPM limits of the appropriate A and/or C series continentals of those hps. chris bobka ----- Original Message ----- From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 9:23 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance Mike... One thing to keep in mind is that the A-80 was designed to get its 80 hp at 2700 rpm. If you put that longer prop with 42 pitch...it will probably not turn up enough RPMs to make 80 hp. My guess is that it will probably only make about 2300 rpm static with the 72-42. You'll get the best takeoff performance from a prop that will allow the engine make near the 2700 RPM as rated. Terry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Catdesign" <catdesign(at)intergate.com>
Subject: Re: Control system
Date: Jul 21, 2004
James asked: Q: What holds the torque tube down at the front and rear of the plane that allows it to rotate. A: Look at Drawing No.4 of the plans (1934 version), over in the Control Stick Details (top left-hand side) it shows a drawing of the bearing and collars that are used in the front and back. The back doesn't have a collar. Sometimes you will see reference to people needing a shim under the front bearing to get it to line up. This is because some of us forget to put the slope in the mounting plate as is shown in the drawing. I made it flat and cut a shim to glue under it. Easier to weld that way. Q: Also what size tubing and pulleys would you recommend A: Plans say 7/8" OD 20 ga. I used 7/8"OD 0.035 Wall 4130. NOTE: Make sure your collar and bearing tubing's ID is 7/8". This wall thickness may be a bit light but it's the same as others use. Pulleys are 2" (It calls for 2" Formica pulleys on the Rear View of Rear Torque Tube Bearing drawing (same sheet, same place). Some people don't like this small of pulley but it seems to work ok. Good luck Chris T. Sacramento, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: HOEVELMANN To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 7:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control system Hello all. I am having some problems figuring out the control system. What holds the torque tube down at the front and rear of the plane that allows it to rotate. Also what size tubing and pulleys would you recommend. The print calls for 20 Gage steel pipe. Thanks for your help. James J Hoevelmann ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Bummed about missing brodhead...
Date: Jul 22, 2004
From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu>
Well I should be leaving Kimball Nebraska headed for Morning Star field this morning, but I'm still at home. I regret to say that I'm going to have to give up my anniversary trip to Brodhead this year. There is a bright side however, we had a house for sale and we are closing on the opening day of Brodhead. This is a blessing since two houses down there is an identical house that has been on the market for over a year. I hope you all have a great time, I can't wait to see pictures. If anyone has a side interest in Stinsons, this year they are having a mass flyin to Oshkosh on Monday, I'm going to miss too. This is one of those bittersweet disappointments. Regarding the 75 anniv. hats, for some reason they didn't come back from the graphic shop in time either. I'll announce here with pictures. Someone enjoy an extra helping of corn and brats for me..... Steve e ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: flying helmets
Date: Jul 22, 2004
Howdy, folks; Just an inquiry as to where you pilots have found good cloth flying helmets. I see the ones that Aircraft Spruce has (all kinds)- the simple summer white "canvas" or khaki type are under $30 (not the type for headset). Like Mike C., I plan to fly mostly "NORDO and proud of it" so don't need the helmet with provision for David Clarks. Thanks for any help you guys might have on this. PS- Latest word from Charlie Avaritt, my ferry pilot and caretaker of 41CC at the moment, is that he has finally figured out how to fold and unfold people into the front cockpit ;o) I'll have to send him Mike's video so he can see the complete sequence required for assisting females into position ;o) Oscar Zuniga, TACO Chief Pilot- Helotes, TX district San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: KTS5TA6(at)wmconnect.com
Date: Jul 22, 2004
Subject: Please welcome new TACO member. Also, election results.
Javier Cruz of Mexico has just joined our most prestigious organization. This is very good news since Javier actually lives in the country where Corona comes from! At this juncture, I only know that Javier is contemplating a Piet project, but that is almost insignificant to the fact that he may be in position to donate massive quantities of Corona, as well as making really important contributions to our club culture. Let's all give him a big "Viva Javier... bienvenidos hombre." MUY IMPORTANTE NEWS... Dateline knot-2-shabby airport The results of TACO OFFICERs elections By unanimous vote, Terry Bowden has been elected to serve a one year (or longer) term as our Big Burrito (which loosely translated from Spanish means El Presedente or something like that.) Mike King (King of Combate) has been elected to the post of Grande Chalupa. (Which in border Spanish means Sergeant at Arms.) Sterling Brooks has been elected to the position of Salsa Loco. (In Spanish meaning the crazy guy who spices up our newsletter and lies/exagerates or embellishes everything the TACOs do ... (Hey, this is Texas, we tend to brag and fib about stuff down here.) Doyle Combs has been elected "Chief Padre" (in Spanish meaning Chaplain) and our spiritual leader and is in charge of saying the blessing, if we ever meet again and have a formal meal. (Note, beer drinking members must refrain and restrain themselves when in the presence of Chief Padre... Go drink behind a tree for goodness sake or pour your beer into an empty Dr. Pepper can so Chief Padre doesn't catch you in the act.) Doyle is also in charge of speaking to the Man upstairs making sure that each maiden, first-time-flight of an air camper goes well. Doyle will also offer prayer for any TACO who overhauls their own airplane engine. Hank Styne and partner Chuck Jackson have been elected Transportation Czars. We have no idea what this position is, it just sounds really cool. Tom Travis has been elected Wake Turbulence Director and Indian Guide. We suspect that the Indian guide honor is because he flies an airplane with a forked tail. The wake turbulence honor is because his Bonanza could probably make a Pietenpol bounce around if he passed over and in front of an air camper. Morris Norwood is now our Director of Taxiways and Official Public Affairs Officer. Chuck Gantzer is our official Generalisimo Adventurer and Yell Leader and Chief Air Polluter. Jim Markle was voted in as our Vapor Trail Coordinator, TFR Advisor and Newsletter Proof Reader. (If something is mispelled, balme it on Markel!) Roy Brooks (my dad) has been elected to the post of Chief Taildragger Instuctor Pilot and 3 Point Advisor. I suspect my soon-to-be 85 year old dad was flying long before most of us knew what a propeller was. Roy has also probably had more vomit land in his face from teaching Army Air Corp Cadets acrobatics when the student was sitting in the front seat of a Stearman, than most of us care to think about during lunch or dinner. Lon Carr now serves as Chief Engineer of Turf Runways. (Man, you should see the grass runway that Lon built.) Chris Hoke is Chief Meteorologist because Terry said he had something to do with Chuck's tailwind down here. It's very unusual that we get a wind out of the north down here in July! Tabulation of votes for our other positions will be announced at a later date because I have to leave now for a long drive from Central Texas to Broadhead. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 22, 2004
Subject: Fwd: Chuck Gantzer America Tour
by rly-yh01.mx.aol.com (v100.23) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYH14-2a240ffe888238; From: "Jon Jones" <jonjones(at)trimfoot.com> Subject: RE: Chuck Gantzer America Tour Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:20:49 -0500 Hey Corky, Sorry I didn't reply to your message last night....After I met Chuck at the field I didn't check my mail till late last night (at which point he had already given you a call) We had a good visit, hope we didn't bother him too much. My 6 year old boy really took a liking to him...ate a lot of things at supper last night he wouldn't have normally, just because it was what Chuck was eating. I unfortunately had to roust him from bed at 7:00 this morning, as I had to go to work- he probably wishes he'd opted for the motel! I didn't get to see him off, as I got a few things to do at work before vacation begins next week. Anyway, I will keep an eye on your running commentary on the "Chuck Gantzer Great American Pietenpol Tour" Take care... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com [mailto:Isablcorky(at)aol.com] Subject: Re: Chuck Gantzer America Tour Jon, Were you able to see and meet the America Pietenpol Tourer this afternoon? Give me a report so I can publish an update to the list OR you go ahead and publish the latest on his tour. Corky Hey Corky, Sorry I didn't reply to your message last night....After I met Chuck at the field I didn't check my mail till late last night (at which point he had already given you a call) We had a good visit, hope we didn't bother him too much. My6 year old boy really took a liking to him...ate a lot of things at supper last night he wouldn't have normally, just because it was what Chuck was eating. Iunfortunately had toroust him from bed at 7:00 this morning, as I had to go to work- he probably wishes he'd opted for the motel! I didn't get to see him off, as I got a few things to do at work before vacation begins next week. Anyway, I will keep an eye on your running commentary on the "Chuck Gantzer Great American Pietenpol Tour" Take care... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com [mailto:Isablcorky(at)aol.com] 21, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: Re: Chuck Gantzer America Tour Jon, Were you able to see and meet the America Pietenpol Tourer this afternoon? Give me a report so I can publish an update to the list OR you go ahead and publish the latest on his tour. Corky ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 22, 2004
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: flying helmets
Dear TACO Chief Pilot, Helotes, TX District, (ie, Oscar Z) I got my khaki type canvas helmets thru these folks: http://www.flightsuits.com/ They sell them w/ or without the holes for headset ear muffs. Enclosed a photo of one of those women that I had to assist getting in and ouf of the front seat. One day I flew an 8 year old boy and an 85 year old guy and both wanted to ride so bad that they found a way to do as I asked them to get in and out. If not wearing a helmet, have front passenger turn ball cap backwards or not wear it at all. Mike C. Honorary TACO member and Yankee Boy at large ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 22, 2004
Subject: Chuck Gantzer Update
Pieters, Received a cell phone call from Chuck airborne somewhere between Farmington, Mo and only God knows where as it was totally ununderstandable. I did get the last ," I'll call you at my destination" He is dodging bumpers all over that area plus heavy haze. Operations Office for America's Tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike King" <mike(at)mking.us>
Subject: Chuck Gantzer Update
Date: Jul 22, 2004
Corky, What would be good, IF SOMEONE HAS THE TIME, is to prepare a web site dedicated to Chuck's America Air Tour. This site would be a picture of the U.S. with ICONS of the cities he has stopped, complete with pictures and any narratives for each location. This way we can keep a visual track of our barnstormer and accounts of his adventure. But this will take someone with time on their hands and a knowledge of putting text and pictures together on a web site. Maybe someone will take this project and run with it. I know Chuck would enjoy reliving his trip after he gets back. Just an idea from someone who flies a GN-1. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas Grande Chalupa (proud member of HOT TACO) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Isablcorky(at)aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Chuck Gantzer Update Pieters, Received a cell phone call from Chuck airborne somewhere between Farmington, Mo and only God knows where as it was totally ununderstandable. I did get the last ," I'll call you at my destination" He is dodging bumpers all over that area plus heavy haze. Operations Office for America's Tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: Chuck Gantzer Update
Date: Jul 22, 2004
if the material exists..... pictures, narratives and such, I don't mind putting something together. would be a neat project. DJ Vegh ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike King To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 11:38 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Chuck Gantzer Update Corky, What would be good, IF SOMEONE HAS THE TIME, is to prepare a web site dedicated to Chuck's America Air Tour. This site would be a picture of the U.S. with ICONS of the cities he has stopped, complete with pictures and any narratives for each location. This way we can keep a visual track of our barnstormer and accounts of his adventure. But this will take someone with time on their hands and a knowledge of putting text and pictures together on a web site. Maybe someone will take this project and run with it. I know Chuck would enjoy reliving his trip after he gets back. Just an idea from someone who flies a GN-1. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas Grande Chalupa (proud member of HOT TACO) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Isablcorky(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:28 PM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Chuck Gantzer Update Pieters, Received a cell phone call from Chuck airborne somewhere between Farmington, Mo and only God knows where as it was totally ununderstandable. I did get the last ," I'll call you at my destination" He is dodging bumpers all over that area plus heavy haze. Operations Office for America's Tour ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 22, 2004
Subject: Brodhead
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Heading out tomorrow about 3:00 PM and flying low in a green old Ford Ranger. Should arrive about 4:00 PM. Kinda nice to live just a few miles away. Be prepared we have had a lot of rain and there be a bumper crop of skeeters out there. Have fun and be safe, -john- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 22, 2004
From: William Young <wry22(at)drexel.edu>
Subject: Pietenpol Aerial
Finally getting back into building my Aircamper. Was online at work and ran across a Biplane Pietenpol called the Aerial and was wondering if anyone has ever seen one in person or flown one. I am thinking I might build one at the same time I build my Aircamper. Will ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike King" <mike(at)mking.us>
Subject: Chuck Gantzer Update
Date: Jul 22, 2004
DJ, I can send you pictures I took Sunday while at Tick Hill and I know Terry has bunch of ground and air-to-air shots. I believe Corky has some great pictures to add to this project. Chuck might be able to download some pictures from his digital camera on someone's computer. Many have already supplied narratives. I know with your creative talent, the site would be the perfect place to keep tabs of Chuck and his plane. Just let us know where you want the pictures sent. Thanks DJ. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DJ Vegh Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Chuck Gantzer Update if the material exists..... pictures, narratives and such, I don't mind putting something together. would be a neat project. DJ Vegh ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike King <mailto:mike(at)mking.us> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Chuck Gantzer Update Corky, What would be good, IF SOMEONE HAS THE TIME, is to prepare a web site dedicated to Chuck's America Air Tour. This site would be a picture of the U.S. with ICONS of the cities he has stopped, complete with pictures and any narratives for each location. This way we can keep a visual track of our barnstormer and accounts of his adventure. But this will take someone with time on their hands and a knowledge of putting text and pictures together on a web site. Maybe someone will take this project and run with it. I know Chuck would enjoy reliving his trip after he gets back. Just an idea from someone who flies a GN-1. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas Grande Chalupa (proud member of HOT TACO) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Isablcorky(at)aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Chuck Gantzer Update Pieters, Received a cell phone call from Chuck airborne somewhere between Farmington, Mo and only God knows where as it was totally ununderstandable. I did get the last ," I'll call you at my destination" He is dodging bumpers all over that area plus heavy haze. Operations Office for America's Tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: Chuck Gantzer Update
Date: Jul 22, 2004
send me the pics and a text file that correlates image file names to location and any other notes, i.e., names of people in photo, etc etc. send to dj(at)imagedv.com DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike King To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:27 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Chuck Gantzer Update DJ, I can send you pictures I took Sunday while at Tick Hill and I know Terry has bunch of ground and air-to-air shots. I believe Corky has some great pictures to add to this project. Chuck might be able to download some pictures from his digital camera on someone's computer. Many have already supplied narratives. I know with your creative talent, the site would be the perfect place to keep tabs of Chuck and his plane. Just let us know where you want the pictures sent. Thanks DJ. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DJ Vegh Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 2:16 PM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Chuck Gantzer Update if the material exists..... pictures, narratives and such, I don't mind putting something together. would be a neat project. DJ Vegh ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike King To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 11:38 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Chuck Gantzer Update Corky, What would be good, IF SOMEONE HAS THE TIME, is to prepare a web site dedicated to Chuck's America Air Tour. This site would be a picture of the U.S. with ICONS of the cities he has stopped, complete with pictures and any narratives for each location. This way we can keep a visual track of our barnstormer and accounts of his adventure. But this will take someone with time on their hands and a knowledge of putting text and pictures together on a web site. Maybe someone will take this project and run with it. I know Chuck would enjoy reliving his trip after he gets back. Just an idea from someone who flies a GN-1. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas Grande Chalupa (proud member of HOT TACO) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Isablcorky(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:28 PM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Chuck Gantzer Update Pieters, Received a cell phone call from Chuck airborne somewhere between Farmington, Mo and only God knows where as it was totally ununderstandable. I did get the last ," I'll call you at my destination" He is dodging bumpers all over that area plus heavy haze. Operations Office for America's Tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 22, 2004
Subject: Re: Chuck Gantzer Update
DJ, Can you extract the pics I sent Tuesday of Chuck's visit to Shreveport? Corky ________________________________________________________________________________
From: KTS5TA6(at)wmconnect.com
Date: Jul 22, 2004
Subject: Re: Wanted in Texas with a $1 gift offer
Hey, after reading your rap sheet (I mean BIO) you sound too clean cut to be a TACO, but we'll let you in anyway. Sounds like a great place to have some of our meetings. I'm sending you the $1.00 and a Tee Shirt as soon as I get back from Yankee land. Sterling ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 22, 2004
Subject: Re: Wanted in Texas with a $1 gift offer
Sorry Sterling, Mike King has me a dollar and a bottle of Wild Turkey for Mr Lawyer Man in the mail Corky, the Texas fugitive ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike King" <mike(at)mking.us>
Subject: Wanted in Texas with a $1 gift offer
Date: Jul 22, 2004
Make that TWO bottles of Wild Turkey. However, Texas City could be our HOT TACO headquarters and a fly-in should be in the planning. With the Texas Gulf of Mexico as the backdrop, cold beer, branch water, local seafood, Mexican food and lots of fellowship should bring plenty of us together for another great time. Flying PIETS and GN-1s up and down the coastline (some with smoke systems) would be a blast. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Isablcorky(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wanted in Texas with a $1 gift offer Sorry Sterling, Mike King has me a dollar and a bottle of Wild Turkey for Mr Lawyer Man in the mail Corky, the Texas fugitive ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: Chuck Gantzer Update
Date: Jul 22, 2004
who can tell me all of the stops Chuck will be making and in what order? from day 1 to finish. DJ _ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 22, 2004
Subject: Re: Chuck Gantzer Update
Dj, Be assured that only the good Lord knows those answers ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
results.
Subject: Please welcome new TACO member. Also, election results.
Date: Jul 22, 2004
Hey, is it possible to be an expatriot member of the HOT TACO? Since I (nearly) have a Piet flying, and used to live in Texas (I flew my J-3 Cub out of Oak Grove airport near Fort Worth, and Alvin Intergalactic Airport, south of Houston), I was wondering if there are any out-of-state chapters being formed? At least I'm not a yankee like Mike Cuy (I was born and raised in Tennessee, where most of the original Texans came from anyway. Davy Crockett was congressman from my home district, before arriving in Texas just in time to get hisself killed at the Alamo). Jack Phillips Nearly finished painting NX899JP and glad of it -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of KTS5TA6(at)wmconnect.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Please welcome new TACO member. Also, election results. Javier Cruz of Mexico has just joined our most prestigious organization. This is very good news since Javier actually lives in the country where Corona comes from! At this juncture, I only know that Javier is contemplating a Piet project, but that is almost insignificant to the fact that he may be in position to donate massive quantities of Corona, as well as making really important contributions to our club culture. Let's all give him a big "Viva Javier... bienvenidos hombre." MUY IMPORTANTE NEWS... Dateline knot-2-shabby airport The results of TACO OFFICERs elections By unanimous vote, Terry Bowden has been elected to serve a one year (or longer) term as our Big Burrito (which loosely translated from Spanish means El Presedente or something like that.) Mike King (King of Combate) has been elected to the post of Grande Chalupa. (Which in border Spanish means Sergeant at Arms.) Sterling Brooks has been elected to the position of Salsa Loco. (In Spanish meaning the crazy guy who spices up our newsletter and lies/exagerates or embellishes everything the TACOs do ... (Hey, this is Texas, we tend to brag and fib about stuff down here.) Doyle Combs has been elected "Chief Padre" (in Spanish meaning Chaplain) and our spiritual leader and is in charge of saying the blessing, if we ever meet again and have a formal meal. (Note, beer drinking members must refrain and restrain themselves when in the presence of Chief Padre... Go drink behind a tree for goodness sake or pour your beer into an empty Dr. Pepper can so Chief Padre doesn't catch you in the act.) Doyle is also in charge of speaking to the Man upstairs making sure that each maiden, first-time-flight of an air camper goes well. Doyle will also offer prayer for any TACO who overhauls their own airplane engine. Hank Styne and partner Chuck Jackson have been elected Transportation Czars. We have no idea what this position is, it just sounds really cool. Tom Travis has been elected Wake Turbulence Director and Indian Guide. We suspect that the Indian guide honor is because he flies an airplane with a forked tail. The wake turbulence honor is because his Bonanza could probably make a Pietenpol bounce around if he passed over and in front of an air camper. Morris Norwood is now our Director of Taxiways and Official Public Affairs Officer. Chuck Gantzer is our official Generalisimo Adventurer and Yell Leader and Chief Air Polluter. Jim Markle was voted in as our Vapor Trail Coordinator, TFR Advisor and Newsletter Proof Reader. (If something is mispelled, balme it on Markel!) Roy Brooks (my dad) has been elected to the post of Chief Taildragger Instuctor Pilot and 3 Point Advisor. I suspect my soon-to-be 85 year old dad was flying long before most of us knew what a propeller was. Roy has also probably had more vomit land in his face from teaching Army Air Corp Cadets acrobatics when the student was sitting in the front seat of a Stearman, than most of us care to think about during lunch or dinner. Lon Carr now serves as Chief Engineer of Turf Runways. (Man, you should see the grass runway that Lon built.) Chris Hoke is Chief Meteorologist because Terry said he had something to do with Chuck's tailwind down here. It's very unusual that we get a wind out of the north down here in July! Tabulation of votes for our other positions will be announced at a later date because I have to leave now for a long drive from Central Texas to Broadhead. ________________________________________________________________________________ results.
Subject: Please welcome new TACO member. Also, election results.
report
From: "Jackie" <jflan1(at)excite.com>
Date: Jul 22, 2004
matronics.com has a problem...everyone's email is going out to a LOT of different people....I'm one of them...you need to contact matronics and fix the problem a.s.a.p.--- On Thu 07/22, Jack Phillips pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote: From: Jack Phillips [mailto: pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net]To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comDate: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:39:29 -0400Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Please welcome new TACO member. Also, election results. Hey, is it possible to be an expatriot member of the HOT TACO? Since I (nearly) have a Piet flying,and used to live in Texas (I flew my J-3 Cub out of Oak Grove airport near FortWorth, and Alvin Intergalactic Airport, south of Houston), I was wondering ifthere are any out-of-state chapters being formed? At least I'm not a yankee like Mike Cuy (I was born andraised in Tennessee, where most of the original Texans came from anyway. Davy Crockett was congressman from myhome district, before arriving in Texas just in time to get hisself killed atthe Alamo). ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 22, 2004
From: Gary Gower <ggower_99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Chuck Gantzer Update
Going a little farther... How about having in that site ALL the Piet's Cross country flights. Just an Idea... Saludos Gary Gower. Guadalajara, Jalisco Mexico Where Corona is brewed! PS. Happy Piet passenger who got his first Piet ride in a WONDERFULL flight from Naples to Marco Island FL and back in Ted Brousseau's Piet just a few days ago!!! (almost a cross country:-) Can I join the TACO as a Honorable Costal (100 lbs Sack)? Here in Mexico we nickname "Costal" when someone just goes for a ride. Attached a Photo with Ted and his plane. --- Mike King wrote: > Corky, > > > > What would be good, IF SOMEONE HAS THE TIME, is to prepare a web > site > > dedicated to Chuck's America Air Tour. This site would be a > picture of the U.S. > > with ICONS of the cities he has stopped, complete with pictures > and any narratives > > for each location. > > > > This way we can keep a visual track of our barnstormer and > accounts of his adventure. > > But this will take someone with time on their hands and a > knowledge of putting text > > and pictures together on a web site. > > > > Maybe someone will take this project and run with it. I know > Chuck would enjoy > > reliving his trip after he gets back. > > > > Just an idea from someone who flies a GN-1. > > > > > > Mike King > > GN-1 > > 77MK > > Dallas > > Grande Chalupa > > (proud member of HOT TACO) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Isablcorky(at)aol.com > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:28 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Chuck Gantzer Update > > > > Pieters, > > Received a cell phone call from Chuck airborne somewhere between > Farmington, Mo and only God knows where as it was totally > ununderstandable. I did get the last ," I'll call you at my > destination" He is dodging bumpers all over that area plus heavy > haze. > > Operations Office for America's Tour > > __________________________________ http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv(at)imagedv.com>
<002b01c47032$f84ce080$0564a8c0@rdci.az.home.com>
Subject: Re: Chuck Gantzer Update
Date: Jul 22, 2000
where has he stopped up until now? city, state and date... anyone have this info? I've got a splash page designed, now want to start getting some content in. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: DJ Vegh To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 2:29 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Chuck Gantzer Update who can tell me all of the stops Chuck will be making and in what order? from day 1 to finish. DJ _ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 22, 2004
Subject: Re: Chuck Gantzer Update
DJ' To the best of my memory Sat July 17 Left Wishita, Kansas and overnited at Cushing, Ok. Met up with some jumpers at the airport and spent hours consuming pizza and beer. Sun July 18 From Cushing to near Dallas for fuel and to Tick Hill near Temple, Tx. more beer and barbecue. Mon July 19 Left Tick Hill around 1500 bound for Bluebird Hill in Keithville (Shreveport)La More beer and plenty of shrimp with Corky and Isabelle and Edwin Johnson Tues July 20 Departed Bluebird Hill at 1400 bound for Arkansas and parts nawth. Fueled at Arkadelphia, Ark and stretched until dark landing at Mountain, View, Ark Wed.July 21 From Mountain View he made Farmington, Mo where he was met and hosted by Jon Jones. Thurs July 22 Jon pulled him out early as he had to go to work. Chuck took off on a nawtherly headed. Called Corky in the afternoon while flying using his new cell phone. Corky couldn't understand any of the noisy transmission partly because iof the wind and the fact that he is near stone deaf. That's as up to date as I can give you. I am expecting a call from him tonight and as soon as I get the information I will put it on the Piet list Hope this is what you wanted Corky ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 22, 2004
From: Don Morris <pietbuilder(at)donsplans.com>
Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax)
Subject: Weather forecast for the weekend...
<003101c4702a$63629940$0564a8c0@rdci.az.home.com> <002b01c47032$f84ce080$0564a8c0@rdci.az.home.com> <040301bff43c$a53bad70$6401a8c0@Desktop> Howdy. I just looked up the weather forecast for this weekend in lower, WI. As per weather.com Friday - partly cloudy, high 72, 10% chance of rain Saturday - partly cloudy, high 73, 0% chance of rain Sunday - mostly sunny, high 75, 0% chance of rain. I plan to be there Saturday (5 hours by windstar). Hope to meet many of you there. I will bring photos of my progress to date... -Don Morris ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 22, 2004
Subject: Re: Chuck Gantzer Update
DJ... I have saved quite a few pics. I will try to send them to you later tonite. Some of them came fron Chuck's camera...1st overnite stop in Cushing OK....Tick Hill....then on eastward. There's a GREAT pic of Chuck taken by Tom Travis from the front cockpit. It is a shoulders-up shot of him with tailfeathers in view and ground about 1000 ' below. I promised Chuck I would send him a CD of all the pics we took. But I haven't yet had time to get them together. I will work on sending pics to you. Terry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 22, 2004
Subject: Re: Chuck Gantzer Update
DJ, Thats a 5million dollar question. Whats cool is...he has no schedule....like a leaf in the wind. But he has a general plan to stop at all the dots on his US map.....see photo I posted under Tick Hill Fly-in at ............ www.mykitplane.com Terry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Doyle K. Combs" <dcombs(at)ltex.net>
Subject: Re: wore my Piet T-shirt/BFR/life's grand
Date: Jul 22, 2004
To the Learned Ones: It seems ironic that many of the people waiting for the Sport Pilot License were pilots who had had a run in with FAA on their medicals. It seems like I detect a whisper of death with the one clause that states pilots who have been turned down by FAA must get a one time approval. Why in the world would anyone think they would issue a special approval when they grounded the pilots in the first place. They are people who have a job and probably most of the FAA medical people don't fly and do not understand the passion of pilots. It seems ironic that what has been waited for in great anticipation seems to have a dark cloud hovering over that dream of flying again. Does anyone have any inside knowledge on this matter? Will FAA be more understanding in this special approval or will they be their same old selves? Just feel the great excitement I have heard from grounded pilots has been somewhat shattered. Doyle Combs N13708 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: Chuck Gantzer Update
Date: Jul 22, 2000
cool... as long as there are LOTS of pics the site will be lookin good. It would be REALLY REALLY awesome if Chuck could take the time and write a few stories detailing any fun/scary experiences during his journey. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 6:48 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Chuck Gantzer Update DJ, Thats a 5million dollar question. Whats cool is...he has no schedule....like a leaf in the wind. But he has a general plan to stop at all the dots on his US map.....see photo I posted under Tick Hill Fly-in at ............ www.mykitplane.com Terry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Esslinger" <aquanaut(at)indy.rr.com>
Subject: Revmaster for a Piet
Date: Jul 22, 2004
First of all, I'm new to the Piet community and I've really enjoyed and appreciated the Pietenpol list e-mails. Thanks to everyone who responded to my inquiry about using a Revmaster on a Camper. The information was very helpful. I've decided not to use the Revmaster and to go with a Continental instead. Tried and true makes more sense. I'm building a Piet and have the fuse, empennage, landing gear and all of the ribs complete for my long fuse Camper and I'm about to start the wing. Other than meeting and talking to Mike C. (thanks for the help Mike) I was feeling pretty lonesome in the Piet world. But after subscribing to the Pietenpol-list I do believe there's life out there. I don't know Chuck but I do envy him his adventure and wish him a great and safe journey. Incidentally, If anyone needs a zero time Revmaster 2100D I know where you can get one. And if anyone knows of a good Continental 65hp engine, I'm now in the market. Thanks again for all your help guys. Dave ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 22, 2004
Subject: Chuck Gantzer update
Pieters and interested ones. spit in the Mississippi River. Jon got him up at 7 this morning but he didn't take off until noon. Says he is not a morning person. Skirted around St Louis to the west and landed in Pittsfield, Ill. The old man at the field suggested he try for Quincy, Ill for the evening. After having been treated like royalty at Farmington, Mo airport with a no charge hangar stay and hospitality of Jon Jones he found Quincy different. They wanted to charge him $40 to hangar his Piet for the night so he elected to tie it down after determining that a no hail situation existed. Then no airport courtesy car so he had a 10 mile cab tab. He's not bitching about it but I am. Let's all remember Quincy. He said his course was pretty steady today not varying more than 25 to 30 on his headings. He still is amazed at those thermals when he pulls throttle and puts his nose down and climbs 3 or 4 hundred feet. Says he has about 6 hrs to broadhead . His smoke system has ceased to function so tomorrow before take off he will check the small injector ports into the manifolds which he suspects has clogged with exhaust carbon. He MUST have smoke for his grand arrival at Broadhead. His plan is to circle the field several times with smoke then drop his toilet paper bombs into the center of his smoke circles. He also told me that flight service warned him to avoid dams and locks on the Mississippi and military bases. Looks like they are afraid of Piets too. He seems his jolly and happy self and I can assure you he is having the time of his life. I told him the entire Piet list was following his Tour of America and that made him happy Corky, Chuck's Operation NCO ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 22, 2004
Subject: Re: Chuck Gantzer update
Hooray for Chuck...almost there. I can't think of a better ambassador for our beloved Piet. Reading Jon Jones' comments about his 6 year-old boy idolizing our barnstorming hero, ...it reminded me of my youth when I found the "Marginal Aviation" gang at Blakesburg AAA fly-in to be the kind of folks I wanted to be like. Forrest Lovely...Alex Whitmore...and others who flew Pietenpols..... It was guys like that who hooked on the Piet. I would hang out and offer to clean landing gears and bellies, hoping for a ride. And believe me...they were willing to oblige. This past weekend....I was happy seeing my 12-yr-old son Benny following Chuck around all over. Chuck gave Benny...not just one...but two rides this weekend. Benny was abord and got to experience first hand the joy of formation flying....T.P. drops.... fly-bys, and YEEEHAAWs. By the end of his visit...he had lured my 8-yr-old daughter into the same. She got to do a TP drop of her own, however not quite as accurate to the Target as Benny. This world needs more red-blooded American role models like Chuck. Benny remembers our visits back in 1999 and 2000 to Chucks house in Wichita...when he was busy carving away on his prop...covering his wing...and laying up his fiberglass fuel tank...IN HIS HOUSE. And for Benny to see and share in the fruits of Chuck's hard work and perseverence....makes this hobby worthwhile. I am sure there are lots of other kids (young and old) out there feeling the same as me and Benny. This is what it is all about! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tugwilsons(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 23, 2004
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 07/20/04
Thanks Mike Tug ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TBYH(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 23, 2004
Subject: Brodhead
I'm planning to head out by pick 'em up truck from LSE in an hour or two. First-timer to Brodhead Piet fly-in and hope to learn a lot from all you who have built and are flying! I've got plans and a Model A engine and plan to start overhauling/converting/gluing/building soon... By the way, how about starting the Wisconsin Air Camper Organization -- WACO. Say, I've heard of that before...didn't they build airplanes or something? Or it's somewhere in Texas, or... ; ) Fred B. (A damned Yankee) La Crosse, WI ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2004
From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: flying helmets
Check out the following url address for leather helmets. http://www.afmo.com/product_page.asp?pid=353 -- Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 fax 254-853-3805 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2004
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
OPERATION BY SPORT PILOT
Subject: AIRCRAFT CERTIFICATED IN STANDARD CATEGORY ELIGIBLE FOR
OPERATION BY SPORT PILOT Guys-- here is a great site that lists the planes that qualify ! Mike C. http://www.sportpilot.org/lsa/standard_certificate_aircraft.html ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2004
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Revmaster for a Piet
Dave-- Does your Revmaster have electric start by chance ? Welcome to the list and good hearing from you again. The Indianapolis show was lots of fun last year. I think overall you'll have much less troubles using the Continental with CG and speed/rpm issues. keep on making sawdust, Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2004
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Operation NCO and more about Chuck
Corky-- thank you for relaying the updates about Chuck's travels. I know it has really fired up a few guys on the list and hopefully it will make others so worked up that they will push ahead now with their projects and get them to the flying stage. Hearing this story must be a great motivator. After meeting Chuck last year at Brodhead he impressed me as the kind of guy who just discovered a whole new dimension of Piet flying----barnstorming. It was evident that he was loving every minute of going cross country in his plane and meeting new people and landing at places he'd never seen before. While eating the great grilled pork chop dinner with Chuck there under the pavillion he told me how his employer would not let him take off an extra week of leave without pay so right after Brodhead and Oshkosh he had to bust butt to get home. He talked about working out a way to take at least two, if not three weeks of leave all at once next year which is exactly what he's doing and experiencing now. I took a photo of his plane at Brodhead last year and included it in this mail. When dinner was over, the gusty winds that kept almost all of us on the ground that day finally subsided towards sunset you should have seen him when about 7 or 8 of us Piets launched in the air and he about pooped himself. I mean he asked all kinds of questions like how tight to we fly, in what order do we go up, how big a circle do we fly around the field, when do we land, should we use hand signals. I told him, "Chuck, what you do is you keep your eyes peeled, you keep your head on a swivel, don't make any turns without clearing it by eye and lifting a wing, and just have a ball, ok ?" Oh, really ? That's it ? Nothing formal, right ? "Nope, just have fun." He was like a kid in a candy store ! You go Chuck ! Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Esslinger" <aquanaut(at)indy.rr.com>
Subject: Revmaster for a Piet
Date: Jul 23, 2004
Mike, The Revmaster has: Electric start, Alternator, vacuum pump, Propeller, spinner and as far as I can tell it's never been run because the starter is still engaged from the factory. Will any of the Piets be at the show this year? Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Revmaster for a Piet Dave-- Does your Revmaster have electric start by chance ? Welcome to the list and good hearing from you again. The Indianapolis show was lots of fun last year. I think overall you'll have much less troubles using the Continental with CG and speed/rpm issues. keep on making sawdust, Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 23, 2004
Subject: Fwd: Chuck Gantzer
by rly-yi03.mx.aol.com (v100.23) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYI35-7bd41012f91168; From: "Jon Jones" <jonjones(at)trimfoot.com> Subject: Chuck Gantzer Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:36:57 -0500 Hey Corky, Just got to thinking...(uh oh) If Chuck stops in Creve Coeur, Mo. on his way back to Kansas from W.V. , might be a good op to get the St. Louis news crew there and do a bit on him. Would be a perfect setting to do an interview, with all the homebuilt and vintage aircraft there. In this fast paced age of regulations and conformity, timeframes and deadlines, folks might enjoy seeing a man touring the county and living out a dream in machine of his own making. If you run it by Chuck, and he likes the idea, I'll get try to get ahold of some of the stations up there and see if they can set something up...might be a nice highlight towards the end of an extraordinary trip! take care, Jon Hey Corky, Just got to thinking...(uh oh) If Chuck stops in Creve Coeur, Mo. on his way back to Kansas from W.V. , might be a good op to get the St. Louis news crew there and do a bit on him. Would be a perfect setting to do an interview, with all the homebuilt and vintage aircraft there. Inthis fast paced age of regulations and conformity, timeframes and deadlines, folks mightenjoy seeing a man touring the county and living out a dreamin machine of his own making. If you run it by Chuck, and he likes the idea, I'll get try to get ahold of some of the stations up there and see ifthey can set something up...might be a nice highlight towards the end of anextraordinary trip! take care, Jon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 23, 2004
Subject: Re: Wanted in Texas with a $1 gift offer
Mike, As soon as I receive your full legal name, address and SSN I will forward to my Mr Lawyer Man who will do the legal stuff and you will be the proud new owner of a downtown Texas City lot of 25 FT width. I don't know the depth as I've never seen the property. None of my children wanted to fool with it as the are spread around the world. You may find you don'tt want to keep it so you can sell it to someone for $2 and make yourself a profit. I want to thank you for buying it. If for any reason you change your mind let Oscar know as he wants it. Corky ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2004
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Wanted in Texas with a $1 gift offer
Corky-- no problem ! Michael Dale Cuy, 298 Runn Street, Berea, Ohio 44017. 288688115. Oscar and I can meet there with you for some Wild Turkey, should he desire some. Mike >Mike, >As soon as I receive your full legal name, address and SSN I will forward >to my Mr Lawyer Man who will do the legal stuff and you will be the proud >new owner of a downtown Texas City lot of 25 FT width. I don't know the >depth as I've never seen the property. None of my children wanted to fool >with it as the are spread around the world. You may find you don'tt want >to keep it so you can sell it to someone for $2 and make yourself a >profit. I want to thank you for buying it. If for any reason you change >your mind let Oscar know as he wants it. >Corky ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2004
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: opps, wrong Mike
Shoot Corky-- that was Mike King, not me. Duh. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike King" <mike(at)mking.us>
Subject: Wanted in Texas with a $1 gift offer
Date: Jul 23, 2004
Corky, Thank you again for allowing to become the new proud owner of your Texas City property. I hope to have a fly-in with the guys and some event (bar-b-q or whatever) in your honor. Here is the info: Richard Michael King 2017 Crestside Drive Carrollton, Texas 75007 214 905-9299 SSN - 453-82-7283 Corky, do you have the address of the property? I would like to fly or drive down to Texas City. I have friends in Houston and Galveston and my brother who is a pilot lives in Corpus Christi so I am down that in that neck of woods from time to time. Again thanks Corky. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Isablcorky(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wanted in Texas with a $1 gift offer Mike, As soon as I receive your full legal name, address and SSN I will forward to my Mr Lawyer Man who will do the legal stuff and you will be the proud new owner of a downtown Texas City lot of 25 FT width. I don't know the depth as I've never seen the property. None of my children wanted to fool with it as the are spread around the world. You may find you don'tt want to keep it so you can sell it to someone for $2 and make yourself a profit. I want to thank you for buying it. If for any reason you change your mind let Oscar know as he wants it. Corky ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 23, 2004
Subject: Chuck Gantzer America Tour Upgate
Pieters and interested, Chuck called at high noon, after admitting he was not a morning person, from Quincy, Ill. Has his smoke rig repaired but is looking for a Wal Mart so he can buy some baby oil. He plans a fuel stop at Kawanee, Ill. He asked me if I thought they had a Wallie World there. Imagine asking a rebel about Wal Marts up nawth. Anyway hewas ready to t/o for Brodhead. Thought it would be less than 6 hrs even though he has a headwind. All you Pieters get ready for the big entrance about 5 pm YCDT. Corky, Chuck Gantzer's Operations NCO I apologize for sending the previous e mail to Mike King through the net. I was careless and will try not to bother the group in the future. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2004
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Clow Field on the west side of Chicago has a Wal Mart
Corky-- there is a nice airport in Plainfield, IL that has a new Wal Mart right smack dab off the North end of the airport. You could walk there in less than 5 minutes. Plus there is a good cafe on the airport for some lunch or dinner and decent tie downs and or hangar space. Great airport. They call it Clow International. Uncontrolled field. Tell him to avoid Meigs:) Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 23, 2004
a Wal Mart
Subject: Re: Clow Field on the west side of Chicago has a Wal Mart
Would you please explain to me how I could convey those gems of knowledge to him up thar in that there Pietenpol? Would you please explain to me how=20I could convey those gems of knowledge to him up thar in that there Pietenpol? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2004
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Howard Henderson's Piet for sale on Barnstormers.com
Here is a nice one-----------for sale, just a few days ago. Mike C. PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER =95 FOR SALE =95 Built by Howard Henderson and featured in the Febuary 1989 Sport Aviation. Ford "A" powered with brakes and tailwheel. Great shape and has always been well taken care of. Includes another wood prop. Please contact me on my cell phone-(540)836-0003-until August 1st as I will be out of town. $10,500 =95 Contact Joe Santana - located Waynesboro, VA USA =95 Telephone: 540-943-3061 =95 Posted July 17, 2004 =95 Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser =95 Recommend This Ad to a Friend =95 Send a Message ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 23, 2004
Subject: Chuck's Brod head Arrival???????????
Pieters, I am waiting word on Chuck's arrival, smoking and bombing of Brodhead airfield. Must leave for the evening at 6 SCDT for the evening. Has anyone heard any news of his arrival??????????? YKW ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: chuck
Date: Jul 24, 2004
Well....Where's Chucky....Did he make it into Brodhead yesterday????? http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: chuck
Date: Jul 24, 2004
I don't know but it sure is lonely with all the folks gone to Brodhead. Not much traffic on the listserver. Jack Phillips Painting the last part (the right wing) of NX899JP today. Should be flying in a few weeks -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Grentzer Subject: Pietenpol-List: chuck Well....Where's Chucky....Did he make it into Brodhead yesterday????? http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 24, 2004
Subject: [ Shawn Wolk ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Shawn Wolk Lists: Pietenpol-List Subject: Piet on floats http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/shawnwolk@sprint.ca.07.24.2004/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures(at)matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "hjarrett" <hjarrett(at)hroads.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Aerial
Date: Jul 24, 2004
The Aerial looks like something I would be more interested in than the regular Piet. Does anybody have the plans? Hank (Really LOVE biplanes!) J ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Young" <wry22(at)drexel.edu> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Aerial > > Finally getting back into building my Aircamper. Was online at work > and ran across a Biplane Pietenpol called the Aerial and was wondering > if anyone has ever seen one in person or flown one. I am thinking I > might build one at the same time I build my Aircamper. > > Will > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "wesley hartson" <wes.shirl(at)webiowa.net>
Subject:
Date: Jul 24, 2004
report Low and Slow Fliers, I have been lurking on the list for 4 years. Building a GN1. Just got back from Brodhead. Chuck made it !!! I got there at 8 am and he was asleep. He finally was seen at his plane at about noon. Looked to be in good spirits. I met Tom Brants and Sterling Brooks there. John Dilatush and Mountain Piet were there as well as Del , William and Grace Ellen. I counted 14 piets there. There were a total of 150 planes by my count there. WHAT A DAY!!!! WOOOHOOO!! Wes Hartson Waterloo, Ia ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 24, 2004
From: del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: chuck
Just got home from brodhead, Chuck was there, all fired up and ready to go again. piets were too many to count this year. Del Jack Phillips wrote: I don't know but it sure is lonely with all the folks gone to Brodhead. Not much traffic on the listserver. Jack Phillips Painting the last part (the right wing) of NX899JP today. Should be flying in a few weeks -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Grentzer Subject: Pietenpol-List: chuck Well....Where's Chucky....Did he make it into Brodhead yesterday????? http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Del-New Richmond, Wi "farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com" --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DOUGLAS BLACKBURN" <TWINBOOM(at)msn.com>
Available!
Subject: Re: [ Shawn Wolk ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
Date: Jul 24, 2004
Shawn, Looks awesome. Excellent job. Let us know how it handles........................... Doug Blackburn Doug & Elizabeth Blackburn www.inlandsloperebels.com W W's Conversion Manual 3202, 5782 www.flycorvair.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Email List Photo Shares" <pictures(at)matronics.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: [ Shawn Wolk ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! > > > A new Email List Photo Share is available: > > Poster: Shawn Wolk > > Lists: Pietenpol-List > > Subject: Piet on floats > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/shawnwolk@sprint.ca.07.24.2004/index.htm l > > > o Main Photo Share Index > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > o Submitting a Photo Share > > If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the > following information along with your email message and files: > > 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: > 2) Your Full Name: > 3) Your Email Address: > 4) One line Subject description: > 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: > 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: > > Email the information above and your files and photos to: > > pictures(at)matronics.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <gcardinal(at)mn.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Chuck's Brod head Arrival???????????
Date: Jul 25, 2004
Chuck made it just fine. The Brodhead group awarded Chuck an award for his travels. There was a HUGE turn out of people. The largest they've ever seen at a Pietenpol gathering. 16 Pietenpols, several Hatz biplanes, a restored Curtiss Jenny, and the usual other museum pieces that always seem to show up. Good weather, good talk by William Wynne, good time.... Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 5:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Chuck's Brod head Arrival??????????? Pieters, I am waiting word on Chuck's arrival, smoking and bombing of Brodhead airfield. Must leave for the evening at 6 SCDT for the evening. Has anyone heard any news of his arrival??????????? YKW ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 25, 2004
Subject: Re: Chuck's Brod head Arrival???????????
Thanks Greg for the info. Have been worrying about ole Chuck. Hope he found his Wallie World. Corky Relieved of all Chuck Gantzer America Tour duties. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Esslinger" <aquanaut(at)indy.rr.com>
Subject: Smoke
Date: Jul 25, 2004
Does anyone have any sketches or information about building a smoke system? Any info would help. Dave Esslinger ________________________________________________________________________________
From: KTS5TA6(at)wmconnect.com
Date: Jul 25, 2004
results.
Subject: Re: Please welcome new TACO member. Also, election results.
TACOS unite! I'm sorry it has taken me so long to respond to this post. I drove a solid 23 hours from Central Texas to Brodhead and was brain-dead for the first 20 hours after I arrived. I'm in a motel near O$KO$H ($100 buck$ a night) and I just now have internet service. Anyone (Yankees included) needing a " TACO membership/ID Card" can e-mail a picture to me (a mug shot of you preferable in a leather or cloth flying helmet) to my broadband address through my website at www.sterlingbrooks.tv. As soon as I get back, your free "TACO membership/ID Card" (suitable for maybe, JUST MAYBE sneaking you into aviation events because it looks so darned official) will be mailed to you in mid August. We will worry about your membership dues later (bottle of Corona or a box of Velveeta in case you are a member of the clergy). After you receive your TACO card (might get you a discount at Taco Bell!) please take it to KINKOS and have it laminated with a clip on device. I'll be off list for about a week. Sterling Brooks TACO LOCO and SHAMELESS PROMOTER OF ALL THINGS PIETENPOL ________________________________________________________________________________
From: KTS5TA6(at)wmconnect.com
Date: Jul 25, 2004
Subject: Re: Smoke
Dave: You can contact Chunk or wait for my video. I interviewed Chuck and one of the segments included how he installed his smoke system. My video won't be ready for a long time because I have a lot more shooting to do, but Chuck is a real easy-going down to earth guy and smart as a Rhodes Scholar. His system in neat. Also Mike Cuy has a system. I haven't seen it but it is different from Chuck's ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ken Chambers" <ken@prototype-ideas.com>
Subject: Texas Air Camper Pilots & Wannabees
Date: Jul 25, 2004
Count me in, Sterling I'm a wannabee, with a mostly completed fuselage in my garage in Austin, Texas, and an A-65 and mostly completed torque tube and control sticks in Greenville, Texas. I bought an old house a few months back and that's slowed me down a bit, but not for long. As far as the Corona goes, I'd like to make the motion that a Shiner Bock (brewed here in the heart of Texas) be accepted in lieu of. Send my card to: Ken Chambers 11503 Hunters Lane Austin, Texas 78753 And may I recommend that TACO members drop in on my Dad, Russ Chambers, any time they pass through Greenville, Texas? He's got an aircraft parts business (mostly hardware and Stits these days) located at Majors Field. It's just a few miles off I-35. He always has three or four homebuilts on hand and he loves to talk airplane. Call in advance at 903-455-3113 before you stop by to make sure he's not out flying his "new" 1946 Culver Cadet. Ken _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KTS5TA6(at)wmconnect.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Texas Air Camper Pilots & Wannabees I have membership cards for all the Texas folks who own or are building or wanting an Air Camper. If you want to join this prestigious group (membership fee is a bottle of Corona beer at the next meeting, but if you don't make the next meeting, no problema, we can waiver the fee and send your card muy pronto anyway.) Send me your snail-mail address as and I'll put your membership card in the mail to you. We'll figure out the Corona hand-off some other time. The new Texas group was kind of formed on Sunday during a moment of enlightenment when Chuck Gantzer flew his Pietenpol over Terry Bowden's Tick Hill Air Field. "Wow" us wannabees said, as we gazed up into the sun when Chuck flew over. (Maybe looking into the Texas sun is what provided the moment of enLIGHTENment? Regardless, this was a good group of folks to meet and everyone had a great time. Terry and LeAnn cooked up a great round of burgers and proved that Texas Hospitality (and Bowden burgers) can't be beat. Oh, yes... Our newly formed group will be extending HONORARY membership cards to folks who reside outside of Texas. For grumpy people (Texans and non-Texans), we extend ORNERY membership cards. However, Grumpy people need to be nominated by either an HONORARY member of our prestigious group or a real Texan. Membership fee for an ORNERY member is a case of Corona. (Chuck was the first non-Texan indicted in our group, I mean INDUCTED into our (sorry Chuck) I didn't mean to suggest you ran into trouble with the law down here. We have room in our organization for everyone, even grumpy folks and those who actually have been INDICTED. We hope to be working on some kind of annual event for a Fly In down here (none of our members know anything about it yet cause I just made it up) in the Heart Of Texas (HOT as in sweat) Texas Air Camper Organization. By the way, a blank space on the membership card is suitable for attaching a picture of your mug in your leather helmet, scarf and goggles, so people will think you are a real-live barnstormer. We encourage members to laminate their prestigious membership cards once they arriive. (Remember, the card is free but bring a Corona to the next meeting so we can properly indict you :) I mean induct you. Membership cards will be mailed to y'all if and when I get back from Wisconsin. Sterling Brooks Knot-2-Shabby Airport & Texas Longhorn Cattle Ranch 5TA6, San Antonio Sectional (NOTAMS... Land At Your Own Risk, fresh/moist cowchips on runway. Bring your own soap & water) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 25, 2004
From: Doc Mosher <docshop(at)tds.net>
Subject: Brodhead 2004
A quick update on Brodhead. Great weather, cool sleeping. Few mosquitos. Yes, lots of Piets, 6 or 8 Hatz biplanes. And even a Hisso powred Jenny. The Jenny came in a trailer (18 wheeler) from California, was assembled at Brodhead, and flown several times before heading off to the North. Assembly rigging took 4 people 3 days. Lots of wires. Some of the Piets were from far away places, like John Dilatush (we finally got to meet this guy, and he's really an inspiration!). On Saturday afternoon, after a grand entrance with smoke and a TP drop, Chuck arrived. Yes, he did find his baby oil, and filled his smoke tank for Sunday. Spent the day carrying people. In fact, missed the rush for the pork chop dinner on Saturday night because he wanted to carry as many folks as possible, including my nephew, Ray Mosher, who is still grinning. The usual Piets were there (by usual, I don't mean to discount them at all). Grand group of people. On Saturday night, after Chuck finally got on the ground, he was awarded a citation: KNOW ALL MEN BY THESE PRESENTS: On the salubrious occasion of a visit to the annual world's greatest gathering of Pietenpol-type Airplanes and Pietenpol-type People at Brodhead, Wisconsin in July of 2004, by an American airman, in the tradition established by Glenn Curtiss, Cal Rogers, Charles Lindbergh, Douglas Corrigan, Howard Hughes, and Dick Rutan and Jeanna Yeager - Pioneers among others who achieved significant flights fulfilling their personal dreams, we honor CHUCK GANTZER who, on July 14, 2004, landed his homebuilt Pietenpol N770CG, at the Brodhead Airport in Wisconsin, USA. Mr. Gantzer's visit is part of his Great American Pietenpol Tour, which he vowed to make "one day" many years ago whilst measuring, cutting, and gluing strips of spruce wood to build his own Pietenpol airplane. In recognition of his determination to live at least part of his life's dream, we award this certificate. "Gee, Toto, this doesn't look like Kansas!" Presented by the Brodhead Bunch July 24, 2004 It was announced at supper that this was by far the largest group in the 22 years of the Brodhead get together. It all started with a picnic put together by Dick Weeden and his wife. There were already something like 3 Piets on the field back then, and several more flew in for the picnic. Everybody had so much fun that they did it again the next year., and the next, and ..... Excellent forums. The forums were pretty relaxed, good attendance, with a lot of discussion. And, of course, the "extended forums" went on into the night under the picnic pavilion. Del Magsum ("farmerdel") was there with his Corvair Sonex. The Corvair-powered brand new William Wynne Zenair was there. Lots of Ford discussion. The Ford Model A club showed up on Saturday with an impressive array of Model As all parked in a reviewing line. Lowell Frank had put his Warner 145 radial back on his Piet, which is great to see and hear in the air. John Dilatush was available for info on the various Subaru engines in airplanes. His turbosupercharged Subaru is a technical wonder to behold, as is the workmanship on his whole mountaintop airplane. The thing that impressed me the most was that with all that cross section of people, they all seemed to be grinning all the time. Doc Mosher Oshkosh USA ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "lanny bissell" <lbissell15(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: gn-1s.
Date: Jul 25, 2004
Doc, Any GN-1s at Broadhead? I'm new to the list and Pietenpols in general, but I wonder why I never see much about the GN-1 which I understand is a "modern" version of the Piet. Howard Bissell ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Shawn Wolk" <shawnwolk(at)sprint.ca>
Subject: Piet on floats flies off H20
Date: Jul 26, 2004
Further to my experiment of putting the Pietenpol on Full Lotus floats. Today it actually Flew from Lake 'Lac Du Bonnet'. Added a set of Full Lotus 1260's, after install weight was 816#. The A65 had a Sensenich Wood Prop about 72x43 or 44. (worked fine on wheels, but didn't cut it on floats) I set the step of the floats at 25 1/2 aft of the MAC. This is about 5 1/2 - 6" behind the normal loaded cg of 19 - 20.5" of MAC. And I set the incidence angle of the floats to 3 1/2 deg. down from level fuselage longeron. Tried it last weekend but it wouldn't get up on the step. Even with some 8 kt. wind. The wood prop wood only give me 2025 rpm. So yesterday I put a warp drive 2 blade 72" prop and dialed it in to 2350 rpm static. Almost got it up but had to use full forward stick to get it on the step and the heels were dragging, slowing me down as I tried to rotate. Best was one float out of the water. Then today I changed float incidence angle to 7deg. down by shortening the rear lift struts and tried her again. This time no problem getting up on the step. Required only neutral stick to get on the step and keep it there. In an 8kt. wind with alt. setting of 30.12, 850 asl, and 30C (real hot for us northerners) it flew itself off the water. Climb was similar to the wood prop on wheels with a passenger (slow) and top speed was reduced from 76mph on wheels at 2200 rpm (wood prop) to 72 mph at 2300 rpm. Top rpm with the warp drive in level was 2450 rpm. After all the unsuccessful runs over the last two weeks preceding the flight. (I think the locals were taking bets) The locals on the lake cheered after I returned to the dock. I bet if one of you Piet owners with more powerful Continentals, Corvair, and Subaru engines would have an easier time getting off the water. Pictures in flight soon. And if any of you find yourself in Manitoba Canada I'll gladly let you have a look. Shawn Wolk C-FRAZ Pietenpol on Wheels, Skis, and Floats!!! C-GZOT Skyhopper 2 Winnipeg, MB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Piet on floats flies off H20
Date: Jul 26, 2004
Cool, Shawn! Any problems with reduced yaw stability in the air with the floats? Any need for additional fin area? Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Shawn Wolk Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet on floats flies off H20 Further to my experiment of putting the Pietenpol on Full Lotus floats. Today it actually Flew from Lake 'Lac Du Bonnet'. Added a set of Full Lotus 1260's, after install weight was 816#. The A65 had a Sensenich Wood Prop about 72x43 or 44. (worked fine on wheels, but didn't cut it on floats) I set the step of the floats at 25 1/2 aft of the MAC. This is about 5 1/2 - 6" behind the normal loaded cg of 19 - 20.5" of MAC. And I set the incidence angle of the floats to 3 1/2 deg. down from level fuselage longeron. Tried it last weekend but it wouldn't get up on the step. Even with some 8 kt. wind. The wood prop wood only give me 2025 rpm. So yesterday I put a warp drive 2 blade 72" prop and dialed it in to 2350 rpm static. Almost got it up but had to use full forward stick to get it on the step and the heels were dragging, slowing me down as I tried to rotate. Best was one float out of the water. Then today I changed float incidence angle to 7deg. down by shortening the rear lift struts and tried her again. This time no problem getting up on the step. Required only neutral stick to get on the step and keep it there. In an 8kt. wind with alt. setting of 30.12, 850 asl, and 30C (real hot for us northerners) it flew itself off the water. Climb was similar to the wood prop on wheels with a passenger (slow) and top speed was reduced from 76mph on wheels at 2200 rpm (wood prop) to 72 mph at 2300 rpm. Top rpm with the warp drive in level was 2450 rpm. After all the unsuccessful runs over the last two weeks preceding the flight. (I think the locals were taking bets) The locals on the lake cheered after I returned to the dock. I bet if one of you Piet owners with more powerful Continentals, Corvair, and Subaru engines would have an easier time getting off the water. Pictures in flight soon. And if any of you find yourself in Manitoba Canada I'll gladly let you have a look. Shawn Wolk C-FRAZ Pietenpol on Wheels, Skis, and Floats!!! C-GZOT Skyhopper 2 Winnipeg, MB ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 26, 2004
Subject: Brodhead
From: rhartwig11(at)juno.com
Headline: GREAT TURNOUT AT BRODHEAD!!!!! Wednesday: Tom Kretschman's Pietenpol AirCamper was certified. It will be based 24 miles away at Tom's Sugar Ridge Airport, Verona, WI. (see attached photo) Thursday: 2:25:02 PM--Dick Weeden took Tom's Piet on it's maiden flight--landed at 2:39:50 PM. A NEW BIRD IS BORN! Several uneventful flights ensued. (A Hatz with round engine was born the week before and entertained us with many, many flights including documenting its aerobatic envelope (away from the airport)--Had to get those hours flown off so it could go to Oshkosh.) Friday: More Piets arrive. The final total would be 16. John Dilatush and Chuck Gantzer had long flights to reach Brodhead. At 7:26:24 PM a strange, but somehow familiar, sound was heard and became louder as it approached from the North East--a hiss and a rumble. The hiss was an F-80 (or T-33) and the rumble a P-51. They made a big turn and did a low and slow (for them, anyway) tight formation fly-by for us. My friend, Don's, wife pointed to him and said, "What a goof ball....he's got goosepimples." I quickly covered my arms. Saturday: 3:50:04 PM--Took a photo of William Wynne's Zenith 601XL, Corvair powered, of course. It is hard to believe that work began only 8 months ago on this bird. Each day I was in awe of the beautiful work done on the many Pietenpols. My vote for the real standouts were the creations of Ken Perkins (orange Piet), John Dilatush (dark blue and cream or white) and Larry Williams (red and yellow). These Piets make me want to go home, take an axe to my project and start all over. The meals prepared by Chapter 431 were great. The Door County style fish boil on Friday was incredible. Some people who usually won't eat fish were raving about how good it was. The grilled pork chops with "secret sauce" on Saturday were out of this world. I am proud to announce that on Saturday I was inducted into TACO by the Grand Pooba himself, Sterling Brooks. I didn't have any Corona, so I loaned him my cell phone so that he could call into town to order some for himself. Hey, don't call me cheap! It's not my fault he wouldn't accept a Miller Lite. Sterling decided that my good will towards him qualified me for "indictment" even if I was cheap. He even informed me that I could soon attain the very rare title of TACO Chief Pilot. Each day we were entertained by another one of those wonderful planes based at Brodhead--a "Jenn-uine" Curtis Jenny powered by a Hisso. Seeing this bird fly was another cause of goosepimples. So much going on. So many beautiful planes. The Pietenpols were of course the stars of the show. Reporting from beautiful, green, Southern Wisconsin. Dick Hartwig Waunakee, WI rhartwig11(at)juno.com P.S. See you at 'scosh! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Shawn Wolk" <shawnwolk(at)sprint.ca>
Subject: RE: Piet on floats flies off H20
Date: Jul 26, 2004
Actually pitch stability improved. On wheels it is quite pitch sensitive. Probably because the CL of the wing and CG are close together. My Piet has a non-standard tail, ('29 Monocoupe) and rudder input in the air was about the same. Where I noticed a difference is a more pronounced pendulum action in roll. Seemed more stable in a convection bump over the trees (wing didn't drop aas far) and the pendulum action made it real smooth rolling into a turn. I think the additional weight all the way down there made it more stable. I'm hoping to get the pictures soon so I can compare how the attitude looks in level flight. Shawn Wolk C-FRAZ Pietenpol on Wheels, Skis, and Floats!!! C-GZOT Skyhopper 2 Winnipeg, MB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Brodhead
Date: Jul 26, 2004
I sure hope to fly my new airplane ("Corky's Piet") to Brodhead next year. However- looking at the map, it's 1,080 mi. from San Antonio to Brodhead, but only 795 mi. to Guadalajara, Mexico. As a Head Pilot for the Helotes, TX district of TACO, it may be more appropriate for me to fly down to Corona country to visit Gary Gower! But no, because Guadalajara is in the mountains it may be more appropriate for something like Mountain Piet to make that journey. Let's see... get to Guadalajara, turn south-southeast for a while and end up in Belize to visit The Fisherman and have some rum & coke with some grilled mahi-mahi... Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 26, 2004
From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Brodhead pictures
Dear Jack, Wow!! Thanks for the great pics. Making me want to try really hard to make it next year. -- Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 fax 254-853-3805 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Brodhead
Date: Jul 26, 2004
I have been to Helotes. I even have a shirt from there. It has been an easy 20 years since. Is that where you live, Oscar? Chris Bobka ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead > > I sure hope to fly my new airplane ("Corky's Piet") to Brodhead next year. > However- looking at the map, it's 1,080 mi. from San Antonio to Brodhead, > but only 795 mi. to Guadalajara, Mexico. As a Head Pilot for the Helotes, > TX district of TACO, it may be more appropriate for me to fly down to Corona > country to visit Gary Gower! But no, because Guadalajara is in the > mountains it may be more appropriate for something like Mountain Piet to > make that journey. > > Let's see... get to Guadalajara, turn south-southeast for a while and end up > in Belize to visit The Fisherman and have some rum & coke with some grilled > mahi-mahi... > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TBYH(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 26, 2004
Subject: Brodhead ' 04 Fantastic!
What a great experience! Great airplanes, great friendly people, good food -- fantastic! This was the best aviation event I've ever been to, bar none but my first trip to Oshkosh in 1970!!! (Or was it '71?) Learned a lot about Piets from Vi Kappler, Ford engines from Ken Perkins, carburetors from Terry ....(sorry!), building wings from Charlie Rubeck, and had a nice visit with "Long-distance Chuck" and several other builders. It was magnificent! Came home with lots of info, a set of ribs (not the BBQ kind either!), Vi Kappler's hinges and lots of inspiration! A million thanks to all the Brodhead EAA folks, the guys who brought their Piets for the rest of us to look at, the cooks, and everyone who had anything to do with this wonderful event -- I'll be back next year! And by the way, three cheers for Bernie Pietenpol who made all of this possible 75 years ago when he designed and built this great, sturdy little plane! Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 26, 2004
From: Gary Gower <ggower_99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Chuck's Brod head Arrival???????????
Corky, I Hope you got a round trip ticket... :-) I think that the trip back will have as much adventures as this one. Can we beg you to stay on duty? We all will like to hear about it, if possible. Hope is not to much problem for Chuck and/or you... If not, no problem, we appreciate all your posts, you are a great friend, I enjoy all your postings since the first one you sent... Saludos Gary Gower (Maybe one of the first on the list) --- Isablcorky(at)aol.com wrote: > Thanks Greg for the info. Have been worrying about ole Chuck. Hope he > found > his Wallie World. > Corky > Relieved of all Chuck Gantzer America Tour duties. > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 26, 2004
Subject: Re: Chuck's Brod head Arrival???????????
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From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Pietenpol Covering Project in the Aeroplane Factory at
AirVenture.....
Date: Jul 26, 2004
Now I REALLY feel left out!!! http://www.airventure.org/2004/monjuly26/pietenpol.html Wish I was there.... Jim in Plano ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 26, 2004
Subject: Re: Chuck's Brod head Arrival???????????
Thanks Gary for the nice kind words. NO body can say they don't like a compliment even though they try to denigh it. I haven't heard from Chuck for several days so I decided to let those pilots on the scene, possibly with those lap top jobs, carry on the progressive narrative of the most spectactular Pietenpol adventure in 75 yars. I left Sunday for south Louisiana, I mean south just a few feet above Vemilion Bay to check on a few points about my acraege. Stayed with Jim Cooper and his lovely wife Edna Sunday nite, what a treat. Jim is building a beautiful GN-1 and the workmanship is something to envy. I might add, I hope Jim won't mind, that he is the great grand son of the famous book author, Last of the Mohigans, James Fenimore Cooper. Drove home today, made better time than Charlie Averitt who ferried my Piet to Zapata, Tx. I hope that Charlie hookes up with some of those yankee professional journalistic types which seem to be in overabundance the convention days. Unless he asks, I'm not available any more. YKW in La. Off the record, a black bear was surprised last night going through this mans garbage can next door to where I was visiting. The new Louisiana license plate for auto says. Protect the Black Bear. What about the people. This animal husbandry can be carried a bit tooooooo far ________________________________________________________________________________
From: KTS5TA6(at)wmconnect.com
Date: Jul 27, 2004
Subject: Brodhead. BOY HOWDY!
Boy Howdy, Brodhead This experience at Brodhead was the finest aviation event I have ever been to in all my 52 years of growing up around airports and hanging out at airfields (except the times my dad did that "take your son to work thing" teaching me how to fly Twin Bonanzas in the late 50s before I could see over the instrument panel.) Brodhead was extraordinary and for those who have never been, please let me emphasize that y'all need to giddy-on-up there next time! It was well worth=20the 3,000+ miles I will have logged in a car driving back and forth to TACO land. I left Central Texas on Thursday and drove 23 hours straight without a break except to buy gas and tap a kidney. When I arrived on Friday, I didn't know Tacos from Shineola because I was so tired. But Brodhead was worth every mile, gallon of gas and lost sleep I endured. I met a whole mess of fine people there! Not a sourpuss in the entire crowd. Also, I met dozens upon dozens of Darned Fine Yankees. I wonder how us southerners started calling them that other "D" word? I think I indicted nearly a dozen Darned Fine Yankees into the TACO club. Even recruited one further north than Yankee land from Canada. The highlight of the entire trip (O$CA$H included) was meeting and interviewing Bernard Pietenpol's granddaughter. I have her name on videotape, and please excuse me for the fact her name has slipped my tongue at the moment. I also shot video of Bernard's great granddaughter taking her first ride in a Corvair powered Pietenpol. That was indeed a hoot. The entire family was very gracious, warm and accommodating and I think I indicted half of 'em into TACO. I won't know until they send me their photos for their TACO ID card. When I met the Pietenpol clan, I thought I fell off a ship somewhere in Scandinavia. I never saw so many handsome looking blond headed folks in one group in my entire life. And so nice, much in the way I'm sure Bernard was. I missed seeing Mike King (our Grande Chalupa) and I wish Terry Bowden (our Big Burrito=E2=80=A6 stands for President in border Spanish) could have been there=E2=80=A6 Maybe next year. Oscar! Where were you? And Jim... reckon he was stuck in traffic with our other TACO Officers. I'd like to personally thank everyone who allowed me to interview them about their Air Camper building and flying experiences. Chuck was terrific and such an easy-going, knowledgeable fellow. He shared some great stories about his airplane and I'm confident his contribution to my video will be worthwhile for those who will follow as builder/flyers. I don't have time or space at the moment to thank everyone, but let me assure you, anyone connected with the Air Camper experience can be described as a great bunch of folks. And Brodhead is a must for your 2005 calendar. TACO Loco & Head Honcho of the Winters, TX District Sterling Brooks ________________________________________________________________________________
From: KTS5TA6(at)wmconnect.com
Date: Jul 27, 2004
Subject: Corvair, OPPS
OPPS! I forgot to mention in my earlier post about Brodhead that I was totally impressed with the Corvair powered airplanes. I was skeptical at first, because my experience with two each VW based engines in an airplane I built about 12 years ago was so disappointing. After that fiasco, I decided never again a car engine in an airplane for me, but now... I just might be a Corvair Convert and I'm exploring the possibility of acquiring one to rebuild, in addition to my Continental A-80. In summary, the Corvairs sounded very cool, pulled hard, started easy and ran fine. TACO Loco ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: Corvair, OPPS
Date: Jul 26, 2004
and now you know why I have a 'Vair on the front of my GN-1 :) you just can't beat the power/reliability/smoothness you get for the money you spend ----- Original Message ----- From: KTS5TA6(at)wmconnect.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 9:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair, OPPS OPPS! I forgot to mention in my earlier post about Brodhead that I was totally impressed with the Corvair powered airplanes. I was skeptical at first, because my experience with two each VW based engines in an airplane I built about 12 years ago was so disappointing. After that fiasco, I decided never again a car engine in an airplane for me, but now... I just might be a Corvair Convert and I'm exploring the possibility of acquiring one to rebuild, in addition to my Continental A-80. In summary, the Corvairs sounded very cool, pulled hard, started easy and ran fine. TACO Loco ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jake Nichols" <cowboyjake(at)insight.rr.com>
Subject: Flying and Gliding Skyscout and Improved Aircamper Ribs
Date: Jul 27, 2004
I am just back from Brodhead and wanting to start on my rib jig. Looking around I have found I left my Flying and Gliding manual for the Aircamper at work but I do have my Flying and Gliding manual with the Skyscout. I am planning on building an improved Aircamper with the 3 piece wing, will the ribs shown for the Skyscout work? I am mainly worried about the airfoil shape so I can build the capstrip portions of the jig. If the spar locations and bracing are also correct that would be a plus. I bet someone else out there has looked into this, if so please let me know if this will work or if I need to wait until my improved Aircamper plans arrive. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: wall thickness for straight axle
Date: Jul 27, 2004
Can Anybody tell me what wall thickness they used for their straight axle?? Thanks, Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 27, 2004
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: wall thickness for straight axle
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From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: wall thickness for straight axle
Date: Jul 27, 2004
I used 1 1/4" od and .120 wall. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 10:58 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: wall thickness for straight axle Can Anybody tell me what wall thickness they used for their straight axle?? Thanks, Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Chuck's Brod head Arrival???????????
Date: Jul 27, 2004
Corky Our neighbors out in Montana are constantly being raided by Grizzly bears. They eat the chickens and tear up the buildings and fences. If you kill one you are in big trouble. Where are the priorities these days? Rumor has it that a 12 ga with a rock salt load helps. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:30 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Chuck's Brod head Arrival??????????? Thanks Gary for the nice kind words. NO body can say they don't like a compliment even though they try to denigh it. I haven't heard from Chuck for several days so I decided to let those pilots on the scene, possibly with those lap top jobs, carry on the progressive narrative of the most spectactular Pietenpol adventure in 75 yars. I left Sunday for south Louisiana, I mean south just a few feet above Vemilion Bay to check on a few points about my acraege. Stayed with Jim Cooper and his lovely wife Edna Sunday nite, what a treat. Jim is building a beautiful GN-1 and the workmanship is something to envy. I might add, I hope Jim won't mind, that he is the great grand son of the famous book author, Last of the Mohigans, James Fenimore Cooper. Drove home today, made better time than Charlie Averitt who ferried my Piet to Zapata, Tx. I hope that Charlie hookes up with some of those yankee professional journalistic types which seem to be in overabundance the convention days. Unless he asks, I'm not available any more. YKW in La. Off the record, a black bear was surprised last night going through this mans garbage can next door to where I was visiting. The new Louisiana license plate for auto says. Protect the Black Bear. What about the people. This animal husbandry can be carried a bit tooooooo far ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 27, 2004
Subject: Here we go again Chuck Gantzer is on the Move
Pieters and interested, Chuck called near noon today. Fist I had heard from him since Quincy, Ill. He did smoke and bomb Brodhead as he planned. Slept in his sack tent while there but last night managed a cot in someone's hangar so he felt better today. He gave about twenty rides at Brodhead but the highlight he said was a ride given him in a Starduster. He was still flying high over that experience. He is NOT attending Oshkosh. His plan is to fly to his former home in Wheeling, WV, visit his two sons and fly direct to Wichita. He was leaving Brodhead following our conversation with a planned fuel stop at Joliet, Il and an RON at Delphi, Ind. He said he would keep me informed so I guess I'm the operations nco for the remainder of Tour America. Corky ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: wall thickness for straight axle
Date: Jul 27, 2004
I used 1-1/2" diameter, .120 wall Jack > > From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> > Date: 2004/07/27 Tue AM 11:58:25 EDT > To: "pietenpolgroup" > Subject: Pietenpol-List: wall thickness for straight axle > > Can Anybody tell me what wall thickness they used for their straight axle?? > > Thanks, > Douwe > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 27, 2004
Subject: TACO logo proposal
Howdy Piet folks.. It seem that the TACO wagon is rollin...not only across TEXAS..but across the nation as well. This is great! TEXAS is way over due for an organized group of Pietenpol builders. And as evidenced by the good turn-out and great time at Tick Hill last week, the time is certainly ripe. Up to now...I haven't said too much about all of the enthusiastic emails from Sterling on the formation of this TACO group. I have to admit that I wasn't too keen on the name at first....especially after the look Leann gave me when I told her that she may be named a TACO "Belle". I was also somewhat stymied by the mention of alcohol as a means of indoctrination. In my way of thinking, flying and alcohol don't mix. I'm not against anyone having a relaxing beverage as long as it isn't mixed with flying (or driving for that matter.) So needless to say... It has taken me some time to warm up to the name and the indictment terrms of the TACO organization. Now....Before everyone starts thinking I am bashing Sterling....hold on. I aplaud you Sterling for rallying the troops and stirring the interest. As I said... its about time for a Texas Piet group. I have to say....EVERYONE I have met so far in this Pietenpol group has been super. It is amazing to me how this little beloved airplane design seems to attract a broad cross-section of interesting and down-to earth builders and enthusiasts. I have thoroughly enjoyed being a part of this email discussion list and look forward to meeting each and everyone on it. We also are looking forward to hosting the 2nd annual Tick Hill gathering next year....perhaps in a cooler month... and not so close to Broadhead, so maybe more folks can attend. So anyway... I am here to say....WAY to GO Sterling!. Count me in. I have prepared something to contribute. It is some artwork that I would like to propose as the TACO logo. Click on the link below to see it. If anyone else has a logo they'd like to propose...just send it to me and I will post it and we'll take a poll for votes of everyone's favorite. Once everyone has settled on the "official" design, I plan to have some shirts screened for my family and anyone else who wants one. Leann is planning to digitize this for embroidery on hats too. So lets keep the TACO wagon rolling....get those Piets flying... and lets get together for some good times! Terry Click here.... http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=204 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: Chuck's Brod head Arrival???????????
Date: Jul 27, 2004
I haven't abandoned the web project... I've received lots of great pics from all of you. I was assigned a big animation project this week at work and will keep me busy for a week or so.... but stay tuned DJ _ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 27, 2004
Subject: Re: Chuck's Brod head Arrival???????????
I was wonderin what happened DJ. Doesn't it stink when work gets in the way of Piet progress?!!!! Well....that is until payday... (then I am soooo thankful for the blessing of having a good job.) I am looking forward to seeing your site and the pics of Chucks trip. From the sounds of Corky's email...it seems that Chuck has changed his itenerary. He was planning to fly North from Broadhead and cross lake Michigan at Macinac bridge. But it now sounds like he has opted to take the shorter southern route to W. Virginia. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 27, 2004
Subject: Tailwheel Cable Geometry
Last week I was showing Chuck my plan for tailwheel steering. We got into a discussion about geometry and the leverage and throw required for steering. Chuck showed me how he attached tailwheel steering cables very close inboard from his feet near the center of the fulcrum on the rudder bar. His logic is that the 'throw" (or travel) is a shorter distance on the tailwheel steering arms than on the rudder horns. I am getting ready to design the attachments for tailwheel steering on mine and have been thinking more about this. First of all....our plane does not have a rudder bar...but instead has pedals similar to a J3 cub. I could accomplish the same effect of Chucks design by welding a tab onto the pedal closer to the pedal fulcrum. This way the tailwheel steering travel will be shorter than the rudder cable travel. But after thinking this over... I am not so sure that this is the best way to set this up. I am planning to use compression springs at the tailwheel steering arms to dampen shimmy. But I am thinking that the springs will also compensate for the difference in "throw" if I choose to tie the rudder and tailwheel cables together with the same travel. In addition....I am thinking that this should allow more steering authority with less input when the tailwheel is on the ground. Does anyone have any experience and comment on this? I am not knocking Chucks design. He is a whiz at all things mechanical. But I am just trying to think this through before I make more parts. One thing I did notice is that 'ol NX770CG's rudder seems to swipe back and forth a lot on 3-point landing as it is steered down the runway. I don't notice nearly that much rudder input required to steer the Taylorcraft. TLB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: TACO logo proposal
Date: Jul 27, 2004
I agree, Terry. Regarding the logo, I've already got a spot (I knew someone would come up with a good logo, thanks!) located on the upper part of my Piet's vertical stab for a sticker. I remember seeing a bunch of "old" stickers from "fly-in's past" on Allan Wise' 3000+ hour Air Camper and being a bit jealous.....now I'll have my own "identity".....and what a crowd to get to identify with! This is going to be fun.... Jim in Plano......just epoxied a couple Ash pieces for the reat seat belt connect points, finished the rear seat framing and put the first coat of varnish on the 1/4" mahogany ply seat..... ----- Original Message ----- From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 9:54 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: TACO logo proposal Howdy Piet folks.. It seem that the TACO wagon is rollin...not only across TEXAS..but across the nation as well. This is great! TEXAS is way over due for an organized group of Pietenpol builders. And as evidenced by the good turn-out and great time at Tick Hill last week, the time is certainly ripe. Up to now...I haven't said too much about all of the enthusiastic emails from Sterling on the formation of this TACO group. I have to admit that I wasn't too keen on the name at first....especially after the look Leann gave me when I told her that she may be named a TACO "Belle". I was also somewhat stymied by the mention of alcohol as a means of indoctrination. In my way of thinking, flying and alcohol don't mix. I'm not against anyone having a relaxing beverage as long as it isn't mixed with flying (or driving for that matter.) So needless to say... It has taken me some time to warm up to the name and the indictment terrms of the TACO organization. Now....Before everyone starts thinking I am bashing Sterling....hold on. I aplaud you Sterling for rallying the troops and stirring the interest. As I said... its about time for a Texas Piet group. I have to say....EVERYONE I have met so far in this Pietenpol group has been super. It is amazing to me how this little beloved airplane design seems to attract a broad cross-section of interesting and down-to earth builders and enthusiasts. I have thoroughly enjoyed being a part of this email discussion list and look forward to meeting each and everyone on it. We also are looking forward to hosting the 2nd annual Tick Hill gathering next year....perhaps in a cooler month... and not so close to Broadhead, so maybe more folks can attend. So anyway... I am here to say....WAY to GO Sterling!. Count me in. I have prepared something to contribute. It is some artwork that I would like to propose as the TACO logo. Click on the link below to see it. If anyone else has a logo they'd like to propose...just send it to me and I will post it and we'll take a poll for votes of everyone's favorite. Once everyone has settled on the "official" design, I plan to have some shirts screened for my family and anyone else who wants one. Leann is planning to digitize this for embroidery on hats too. So lets keep the TACO wagon rolling....get those Piets flying... and lets get together for some good times! Terry Click here.... http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID204 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 27, 2004
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: TACO logo proposal
Alright! WHERE'S the pilot of that pretty little plane??? How about your grinning face? in helmet and goggles of course. And don't forget Taco Belle in the front! :-) :-) Clif PS- Don't forget the long white scarf. http://www.garciaaviation.com/cgi-local/military/agora.cgi?cart_id5168187.38118*7E0kO5&p_id00398&xmon&ppincsearch2 ----- Original Message ----- From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: TACO logo proposal Howdy Piet folks.. It seem that the TACO wagon is rollin...not only across TEXAS..but across the nation as well. This is great! TEXAS is way over due for an organized group of Pietenpol builders. And as evidenced by the good turn-out and great time at Tick Hill last week, the time is certainly ripe. Up to now...I haven't said too much about all of the enthusiastic emails from Sterling on the formation of this TACO group. I have to admit that I wasn't too keen on the name at first....especially after the look Leann gave me when I told her that she may be named a TACO "Belle". I was also somewhat stymied by the mention of alcohol as a means of indoctrination. In my way of thinking, flying and alcohol don't mix. I'm not against anyone having a relaxing beverage as long as it isn't mixed with flying (or driving for that matter.) So needless to say... It has taken me some time to warm up to the name and the indictment terrms of the TACO organization. Now....Before everyone starts thinking I am bashing Sterling....hold on. I aplaud you Sterling for rallying the troops and stirring the interest. As I said... its about time for a Texas Piet group. I have to say....EVERYONE I have met so far in this Pietenpol group has been super. It is amazing to me how this little beloved airplane design seems to attract a broad cross-section of interesting and down-to earth builders and enthusiasts. I have thoroughly enjoyed being a part of this email discussion list and look forward to meeting each and everyone on it. We also are looking forward to hosting the 2nd annual Tick Hill gathering next year....perhaps in a cooler month... and not so close to Broadhead, so maybe more folks can attend. So anyway... I am here to say....WAY to GO Sterling!. Count me in. I have prepared something to contribute. It is some artwork that I would like to propose as the TACO logo. Click on the link below to see it. If anyone else has a logo they'd like to propose...just send it to me and I will post it and we'll take a poll for votes of everyone's favorite. Once everyone has settled on the "official" design, I plan to have some shirts screened for my family and anyone else who wants one. Leann is planning to digitize this for embroidery on hats too. So lets keep the TACO wagon rolling....get those Piets flying... and lets get together for some good times! Terry Click here.... http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID204 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 27, 2004
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Ribs
Subject: Re: Flying and Gliding Skyscout and Improved Aircamper
Ribs The rib is exactly the same. EXCEPT for one important detail. The last angle brace, from the rear spar to the last upright is reversed, going from top at the spar downwards to the rear on your Scout plans. This is the way it should be on the Air Camper as well. Bernard found there was separation at this point as that brace was in tension. Placing it in compression solved the problem. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jake Nichols To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 7:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying and Gliding Skyscout and Improved Aircamper Ribs I am just back from Brodhead and wanting to start on my rib jig. Looking around I have found I left my Flying and Gliding manual for the Aircamper at work but I do have my Flying and Gliding manual with the Skyscout. I am planning on building an improved Aircamper with the 3 piece wing, will the ribs shown for the Skyscout work? I am mainly worried about the airfoil shape so I can build the capstrip portions of the jig. If the spar locations and bracing are also correct that would be a plus. I bet someone else out there has looked into this, if so please let me know if this will work or if I need to wait until my improved Aircamper plans arrive. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: TACO logo proposal
Date: Jul 28, 2004
Looks good to me, Terry. My only comment is I don't remember from my days of flying my Cub in Texas ever seeing a windsock that limp. Generally it was straight as an arrow, pointing north (unless a "Blue Norther" had blown in, in which case it was straight as an arrow pointing south). Jack "Tex" Phillips Raleigh, NC Doing the final assembly of NX899JP - got the centersection on last night -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of BARNSTMR(at)aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: TACO logo proposal Howdy Piet folks.. It seem that the TACO wagon is rollin...not only across TEXAS..but across the nation as well. This is great! TEXAS is way over due for an organized group of Pietenpol builders. And as evidenced by the good turn-out and great time at Tick Hill last week, the time is certainly ripe. Up to now...I haven't said too much about all of the enthusiastic emails from Sterling on the formation of this TACO group. I have to admit that I wasn't too keen on the name at first....especially after the look Leann gave me when I told her that she may be named a TACO "Belle". I was also somewhat stymied by the mention of alcohol as a means of indoctrination. In my way of thinking, flying and alcohol don't mix. I'm not against anyone having a relaxing beverage as long as it isn't mixed with flying (or driving for that matter.) So needless to say... It has taken me some time to warm up to the name and the indictment terrms of the TACO organization. Now....Before everyone starts thinking I am bashing Sterling....hold on. I aplaud you Sterling for rallying the troops and stirring the interest. As I said... its about time for a Texas Piet group. I have to say....EVERYONE I have met so far in this Pietenpol group has been super. It is amazing to me how this little beloved airplane design seems to attract a broad cross-section of interesting and down-to earth builders and enthusiasts. I have thoroughly enjoyed being a part of this email discussion list and look forward to meeting each and everyone on it. We also are looking forward to hosting the 2nd annual Tick Hill gathering next year....perhaps in a cooler month... and not so close to Broadhead, so maybe more folks can attend. So anyway... I am here to say....WAY to GO Sterling!. Count me in. I have prepared something to contribute. It is some artwork that I would like to propose as the TACO logo. Click on the link below to see it. If anyone else has a logo they'd like to propose...just send it to me and I will post it and we'll take a poll for votes of everyone's favorite. Once everyone has settled on the "official" design, I plan to have some shirts screened for my family and anyone else who wants one. Leann is planning to digitize this for embroidery on hats too. So lets keep the TACO wagon rolling....get those Piets flying... and lets get together for some good times! Terry Click here.... http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=204 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Bill Church <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: TIG welding 4130
Date: Jul 28, 2004
A little info for those contemplating welding: While at Brodhead I was party to a discussion regarding the suitability of the use of TIG welding for 4130, and concerns about edge hardening, which leads to cracking. No question that this is a bad thing. There were misconceptions that 4130 should ONLY be welded using gas. The main problem with TIG welding 4130 occurs when the improper filler rod is used. If the proper procedures are followed, TIG will produce excellent welds with 4130. (Remember also, that only by following the proper procedures can proper welds be achieved using gas!) Following is a handy link that seems to clarify all the concerns. http://www.lincolnelectric.com/knowledge/articles/content/chrome-moly.asp Basically, these are the criteria: 1) fit your joints with minimum of gap 2) clean the edges to be welded 3) metal should be at 70F or higher 4) USE THE PROPER FILLER ROD (ER80S-D2, ER70S-2, ER70S-6, or stainless 310 or 312 --- DO NOT USE 4130 filler) 5) Slow cool the weld in still air - DO NOT QUENCH. 6) No heat treatment (stress relief) required for thicknesses of .120" or less. The techniques apply up to .120" thickness (okay for the piet fittings!). TIG can provide such a nice clean job of welding, without the need for pre-heating (other than room temperature), and it's not that difficult to learn. Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 28, 2004
From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Subject: TACO Logo proposal #2
Cliff, Jack, and Gary Thanks for the comments on the logo design...so I am submitting proposal #2.... see link below. Some of the comments were incorporated into the logo...pilot and "belle" added...white scarf. Flight attitude in level cruise...not in a downward mode. Sorry Jack... the windsock is a fantasy...light breeze..tailwind. http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoDisplay.cfm?PhotoName=TACO%2003.jpg&PhotoID=2517 -- Terry B ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 28, 2004
Subject: Fwd: Chuck Gantzer
Pieters and interested, Thought maybe you would enjoy this nice note from Chuck's sister. I don't think she would object to my forwarding it to the Piet net. by rly-xb02.mx.aol.com (v100.23) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXB21-8d4107e143f8; Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:17:39 -0700 (PDT) From: becki guy <spinq2(at)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Chuck Gantzer --0-173073628-1091035059=:6777 Corky, I am Chuck's sister from Ohio. I am amazed how interested your group is in Chuck's travels. I thought I would let you know he will be flying into Union Co. airport near Marysville Ohio about 4pm today. I will pick him up & bring him to my house in Dublin for the night. He plans to fly home to Wheeling WV tomorrow (150 miles from here). I am sure he will email you or the group tonight from my house or tomorrow from 1 of my other brother's or nephew's houses in Wheeling. You all seem to be a wonderful & friendly group. I'd rather be cycling, Becki --------------------------------- --0-173073628-1091035059=:6777 Corky, I am Chuck's sister from Ohio. I am amazed how interested your group is in Chuck's travels. I thought I would let you know he will be flying into Union Co. airport near Marysville Ohio about 4pm today. I will pick him up bring him to my house in Dublin for the night. He plans to fly home to Wheeling WV tomorrow (150 miles from here). I am sure he will email you or the group tonight from my house or tomorrow from 1 of my other brother's or nephew's houses in Wheeling. You all seem to be a wonderful friendly group. I'd rather be cycling, Becki --0-173073628-1091035059=:6777-- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 28, 2004
From: Ron Hargrove <ronhargrove(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Where do I get the spruce?
Ok guys, I finally got my plans, and while I am studying them for awhile, I was wondering if I could get some input on where to get the sitka spruce, or even better, where NOT to get the wood? Also, does anyone out there have a slightly used builders manual they would be willing to part with at a reasonable price? Or is it available online somewhere? Many thanks, Ron ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms(at)msn.com>
Subject: 75th anniversary t-shirts
Date: Jul 28, 2004
Here's a plea on behalf of one of our Piet brothers........ Randy Bruce designed a special t-shirt for the 75th anniversary of the Air Camper but didn't sell them all (or even half!) at Brodhead so I'm putting out the call for the rest of us to help him out. These aren't the typical computer-font type designs. Randy is a pretty talented artist and he made a big effort to make these shirts very special. At Brodhead, the Pietenpol family was so impressed that they bought 9 of them. He even donated the original artwork to them. So here's the deal: he will sell AND ship them for what he was asking for them at Brodhead which is exactly $16.00. No extra shipping, handling, or other charges! I am doing this for him for two reasons. First, he doesn't have a computer and next, because he put quite a bit of his hard-earned bucks into the project, drove all the way to Brodhead from his home (boat) near Orlando, FL and back to share his talent and celebrate the auspicious occasion with and for us. It would be nice to have him recoup his investment and for a measly $16 you could have a treasure. That's my pitch. Here's his address: Randy Bruce P.O. Box 2353 Sanford, FL 32772 Thanks, guys- Larry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv(at)imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: 75th anniversary t-shirts
Date: Jul 28, 2004
a picture of the artwork?? I'm interested. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: LAWRENCE WILLIAMS To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 4:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 75th anniversary t-shirts Here's a plea on behalf of one of our Piet brothers........ Randy Bruce designed a special t-shirt for the 75th anniversary of the Air Camper but didn't sell them all (or even half!) at Brodhead so I'm putting out the call for the rest of us to help him out. These aren't the typical computer-font type designs. Randy is a pretty talented artist and he made a big effort to make these shirts very special. At Brodhead, the Pietenpol family was so impressed that they bought 9 of them. He even donated the original artwork to them. So here's the deal: he will sell AND ship them for what he was asking for them at Brodhead which is exactly $16.00. No extra shipping, handling, or other charges! I am doing this for him for two reasons. First, he doesn't have a computer and next, because he put quite a bit of his hard-earned bucks into the project, drove all the way to Brodhead from his home (boat) near Orlando, FL and back to share his talent and celebrate the auspicious occasion with and for us. It would be nice to have him recoup his investment and for a measly $16 you could have a treasure. That's my pitch. Here's his address: Randy Bruce P.O. Box 2353 Sanford, FL 32772 Thanks, guys- Larry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Esslinger" <aquanaut(at)indy.rr.com>
Subject: 75th anniversary t-shirts
Date: Jul 28, 2004
Larry, sign me up for three of them. I want one for now, one for when I finish my Piet and one for my first passenger. Just let me know how to pay for them. Thanks, Dave Esslinger -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of LAWRENCE WILLIAMS Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 6:08 PM To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server Subject: Pietenpol-List: 75th anniversary t-shirts Here's a plea on behalf of one of our Piet brothers........ Randy Bruce designed a special t-shirt for the 75th anniversary of the Air Camper but didn't sell them all (or even half!) at Brodhead so I'm putting out the call for the rest of us to help him out. These aren't the typical computer-font type designs. Randy is a pretty talented artist and he made a big effort to make these shirts very special. At Brodhead, the Pietenpol family was so impressed that they bought 9 of them. He even donated the original artwork to them. So here's the deal: he will sell AND ship them for what he was asking for them at Brodhead which is exactly $16.00. No extra shipping, handling, or other charges! I am doing this for him for two reasons. First, he doesn't have a computer and next, because he put quite a bit of his hard-earned bucks into the project, drove all the way to Brodhead from his home (boat) near Orlando, FL and back to share his talent and celebrate the auspicious occasion with and for us. It would be nice to have him recoup his investment and for a measly $16 you could have a treasure. That's my pitch. Here's his address: Randy Bruce P.O. Box 2353 Sanford, FL 32772 Thanks, guys- Larry ps. for all of you taking bets........I made it back from Brodhead with ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 28, 2004
From: Ron Hargrove <ronhargrove(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: 75th anniversary t-shirts
What sizes are available? I am interested as well... Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: David Esslinger <aquanaut(at)indy.rr.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:57:40 -0500 Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 75th anniversary t-shirts Larry, sign me up for three of them. I want one for now, one for when I finish my Piet and one for my first passenger. Just let me know how to pay for them. Thanks, Dave Esslinger -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of LAWRENCE WILLIAMS Subject: Pietenpol-List: 75th anniversary t-shirts Here's a plea on behalf of one of our Piet brothers........ Randy Bruce designed a special t-shirt for the 75th anniversary of the Air Camper but didn't sell them all (or even half!) at Brodhead so I'm putting out the call for the rest of us to help him out. These aren't the typical computer-font type designs. Randy is a pretty talented artist and he made a big effort to make these shirts very special. At Brodhead, the Pietenpol family was so impressed that they bought 9 of them. He even donated the original artwork to them. So here's the deal: he will sell AND ship them for what he was asking for them at Brodhead which is exactly $16.00. No extra shipping, handling, or other charges! I am doing this for him for two reasons. First, he doesn't have a computer and next, because he put quite a bit of his hard-earned bucks into the project, drove all the way to Brodhead from his home (boat) near Orlando, FL and back to share his talent and celebrate the auspicious occasion with and for us. It would be nice to have him recoup his investment and for a measly $16 you could have a treasure. That's my pitch. Here's his address: Randy Bruce P.O. Box 2353 Sanford, FL 32772 Thanks, guys- Larry ps. for all of you taking bets........I made it back from Brodhead ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Where do I get the spruce?
Date: Jul 28, 2004
Hi Ron Where do you live? There are sources around the contry. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Hargrove" <ronhargrove(at)gmail.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce? > > Ok guys, I finally got my plans, and while I am studying them for > awhile, I was wondering if I could get some input on where to get the > sitka spruce, or even better, where NOT to get the wood? Also, does > anyone out there have a slightly used builders manual they would be > willing to part with at a reasonable price? Or is it available online > somewhere? > > Many thanks, > Ron > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Where do I get the spruce?
Date: Jul 28, 2004
Hi Ron, I got most of mine from Wicks Aircraft Supply. Good wood, and fast shipping, but the shipping can cost nearly as much as the wood. Aircraft Spruce and Specialty is also good quality, but they are slow on shipping spruce, and they are expensive (so is Wick's). If you don't have catalogs from each of these companies, get them. Both have websites, and both offer free catalogs that have just about everything you will need to build an airplane. Personally, I like Wicks better. AS&S is just a little too pricey. Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Hargrove Subject: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce? Ok guys, I finally got my plans, and while I am studying them for awhile, I was wondering if I could get some input on where to get the sitka spruce, or even better, where NOT to get the wood? Also, does anyone out there have a slightly used builders manual they would be willing to part with at a reasonable price? Or is it available online somewhere? Many thanks, Ron advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979(at)naples.net>
Subject: Fitting out your Pietenpol
Date: Jul 28, 2004
Well I can't hold it in any longer. My twin daughter is in the hospital awaiting twins any day now. So, I am grounded to home area. Had to cancel Brodhead and OSH. Moped all weekend thinking about Brodhead. So, went out on Monday and flew 3 different Pietenpols for 4 hours. Not quite like flying to Brodhead, but my butt hurt just as much... I am test flying two different Piets for friends. It has given me a chance to compare some things I have taken for granted. I want to share some observations with current builders. When you finish the fuselage but before adding things like rudder pedals, throttles, etc. plug in a tv and tune in your favorite program and sit in the fuselage and watch. And think. Put your rudder pedals where you think you want them. Put your feet on them and sit and watch that program. You will soon start to see whether they are in a place that is comfortable or where you can barely walk when you try to get out. If the pedals are too close to you, your knees will be bent too much. Your ankles will also be bent back a lot and the heel brakes will be awkward to apply. The knees will also be in the way of the control stick and limit the amount of aileron movement. Also, most of your weight will be concentrated on your tailbone and you will hurt after a short time. Other things to look at. Don't have the throttle so that your knee will hit it while getting in. Could ruin your day after you hand prop it but don't yet have your feet on the brakes. Make sure the cables, like those that attach to the rudder pedals, don't have cotter keys, frayed ends, or ends of safety wire protruding where it can gouge your shoes or ankles. Could be distracting while trying to fly. Make sure your shoe is not going to jam between the rudder pedal and an side upright or passenger seat part. Could happen at a most inopportune time. Same thing for levers or pull starters. Be sure they are located in places that make using them easy. On of the Piets I am testing has the pull starter located so that it almost cuts off your fingers as you pull on it. Moved one inch forward it would be a non-issue. Make sure the brakes can be applied with ease while your feet are on the rudder pedals. Not so easy that you apply brakes inadvertently, but not so hard to find that you might hit one and miss the other. If you have to lift your feet off the rudder pedals to apply brakes, or if you have to make your legs and ankles do things that only a contortionist can do comfortable, you are looking at an accident waiting to happen. Sorry this turned out so long. I only wanted you to know that you can do things that will affect the safety and pleasure of flying your Pietenpol. But, they are easier to do while building rather than after you start flying it. Hope this helps someone. Ted Brousseau In soggy, sunny, sweaty South Florida (who can't wait to join up with Corky on the way to Brodhead next year. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 28, 2004
From: Ron Hargrove <ronhargrove(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Where do I get the spruce?
Thanks for the responses! I live in Kentucky, so that may be a factor with the shipping. I will definately order both the catalogs to check out the prices. I have been poring over the plans, and my heart is still beating fast just thinking about realizing this dream! Ron wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > I got most of mine from Wicks Aircraft Supply. Good wood, and fast > shipping, but the shipping can cost nearly as much as the wood. Aircraft > Spruce and Specialty is also good quality, but they are slow on shipping > spruce, and they are expensive (so is Wick's). > > If you don't have catalogs from each of these companies, get them. Both > have websites, and both offer free catalogs that have just about everything > you will need to build an airplane. Personally, I like Wicks better. AS&S > is just a little too pricey. > > Jack > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Hargrove > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 6:39 PM > To: Pietenpol-List(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce? > > > Ok guys, I finally got my plans, and while I am studying them for awhile, I > was wondering if I could get some input on where to get the sitka spruce, or > even better, where NOT to get the wood? Also, does anyone out there have a > slightly used builders manual they would be willing to part with at a > reasonable price? Or is it available online somewhere? > Many thanks, > Ron > > advertising on the Matronics Forums. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 28, 2004
From: Ron Hargrove <ronhargrove(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol project for sale on eBay...
I saw this auction for a Piet on eBay, and I thought that someone in Texas may want to check up on this. Looks like there maybe another TACO member indicted some day... Ron http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2485738086&indexURL=0#ebayphotohosting ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Whaley" <MerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: 75th anniversary t-shirts
Date: Jul 28, 2004
Yes, yes, pictures! :) Mike Whaley merlin@ov-10bronco.net Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association http://www.ov-10bronco.net/ Randy Bruce designed a special t-shirt for the 75th anniversary of the Air Camper but didn't sell them all (or even half!) at Brodhead so I'm putting out the call for the rest of us to help him out. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 28, 2004
Subject: Re: 75th anniversary t-shirts
We'd like to see a pic too. TLB ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 29, 2004
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Subject: YEEE HAAAAWWWW !!!
Hey All !! I have so many stories to tell (most of which are true) it will take me months to get them all told!! Everything is working out so well on this trip. I've finally got to a computer where I can sit down and type a few words. I'm at my sister's, in Columbus OH right now. Tomorrow (probably late morning), she will take me back out to the airport, and I think I just about have her convinced to go for a flight !! She has a friend from work that is going to meet us out there, who has two kids who I'll introduce to the 'Wonderful World of Pietenpols'. I'll probably depart Union Co. Airport (Marysville) sometime late afternoon, and head on east to Marshall Co. Airport, which is just south of Wheeling W V. I'll be staying with my boys, and visiting home for a week or so, and I'll have access to a computer, so I'll be able to let you all know of some of the wonderful experiences I've had. I could do that flight in one hop, but as I fly over the airports that I use for way-points on the GPS, if I see anyone down there, I peel off, and go give them a 'Smoke Run', then circle back around and land. A bit of a diversion, but a necessary one. It was difficult to admit that Brodhead was over this year, and I was the last one to fly away. The others were John in Mountain Piet...I think he left at the crack of dawn. Then the two guys in the Starduster left some time just before noon. I got very memorable ride in that plane !! I had a bit of a scare as I approached Portland Indiana last evening. Fog was closing in, and visibility was closing in. That GPS that I have bad mouthed in the past, helped me find the airport. I was at full power, holding the stick forward to maintain view of the earth (skud running) when the runway broke into view at 1.8 miles out. Let me tell you, that runway was a sight for sore eyes !! I'll go into more details about it in the near future. I'll still keep in touch with Corky, while en route, to keep everyone posted of where the next smoke run, or T.P. drop will occur !! From Trees & Rags, to Stick & Rudder, Pietenpols are Forever !! Chuck Gantzer NX770CG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>

June 30, 2004 - July 29, 2004

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