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From: "Catdesign" <catdesign(at)intergate.com>
Date: Jun 30, 2006
Subject: Re: FGM blurry plans
>Is my copy worse than most, or is everyone's FGM printing blurry? No, they are very small and hard to read. Try blowing them up on a copy machine, worked great for me. Or use a magnifying glass. You can also scan it in at a high resolution and blow it up on the computer. >Are the thickness of the steel 12 gage for the lower turnbuckle fitting and the wing strut fitting, and 16 gage for all the other parts? Lower Turnbuckle 12g Wing Strut Fitting 12g All others appear to be 16g Cross Tube 3/4"x20g 1/2x16g steel strip full width of fuselage (on top of cross brace) Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Church To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 6:16 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: FGM blurry plans Hey everyone, I have just recently changed my mind regarding the style of landing gear to put on my Air Camper (when I get to that stage). I had been going to go with the split gear, with springs instead of bungees, and big fat air tires (similar to what Ken Perkins has on his plane), but now I'm almost positive I'm going to go with Jenny style straight axle wood gear and motorcycle wheels. Why am I bothering you guys with this? Well, I was looking over the plans in my copy of the Flying and Glider Manual for details about this gear, and I'll be darned if I can make out the fine print. The quality of the printing leaves something to be desired (like readability). I realize that most of the dimensions will need to be "tweaked" to match what I build, but I can't even make out the gages of the steel. Why did they reprint that stuff so small? Anyone that has managed to build and successfully fly a plane from those plans deserves extra credit. So, here are my questions; Bill C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Date: Jun 30, 2006
Subject: FGM blurry plans
Bill, Mine aren't too bad, it clearly shows 12 gauge for the strut and turnbuckle fittings. The V fittings show 16. I enlarged a copy that came out pretty well, if you want me to send a copy, let me know. Jack Textor Des Moines www.textors.com <http://www.textors.com/> Hey everyone, I have just recently changed my mind regarding the style of landing gear to put on my Air Camper (when I get to that stage). I had been going to go with the split gear, with springs instead of bungees, and big fat air tires (similar to what Ken Perkins has on his plane), but now I'm almost positive I'm going to go with Jenny style straight axle wood gear and motorcycle wheels. Why am I bothering you guys with this? Well, I was looking over the plans in my copy of the Flying and Glider Manual for details about this gear, and I'll be darned if I can make out the fine print. The quality of the printing leaves something to be desired (like readability). I realize that most of the dimensions will need to be "tweaked" to match what I build, but I can't even make out the gages of the steel. Why did they reprint that stuff so small? Anyone that has managed to build and successfully fly a plane from those plans deserves extra credit. So, here are my questions; Is my copy worse than most, or is everyone's FGM printing blurry? Does anyone out there have a clearly legible copy of those landing gear plans? Are the thicknesses of the steel 12 gage for the lower turnbuckle fitting and the wing strut fitting, and 16 gage for all the other parts? (at least that would be a starting point). Thanks, Bill C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Date: Jun 30, 2006
Subject: screen removal
Oscar---I had the same problem with my engine when I overhauled it and give a propane torch a try to gently heat up the threaded area before trying to loosen it. I purchased a big (forget what size, 1" 1.5" ?) open end wrench and keep it in the hangar for my screen cleanings. Once you get the oil screen off, be ready with a rag or paper towels as the screen housing will drain out some in the removal process. Once you have the screen out what I do is to drain some avgas/autogas from your gascolator into a small coffee can. Swish the screen in the gasoline and then drain the gasoline thru a Mr. Coffee (or like) filter and let dry a bit. Flatten out your filter in the sunlight (no wind) or under a shop lamp and spread out the particles to see (what you'll see is a bunch of little carbon particles mostly) I run a small magnet over the debris to see what it might pickup. Pretty easy to see the shiny specks, if you have any. My first screen change after overhaul netted some fibers from the rags I used during final assy. even tho I was very careful about cleaning and pre-lubing the parts before they went in. Lastly--and this answers your question: take a file to the edges of your oil screen flats and make them nice and sharp again so you can use Mr. Cresent Wrench next time or for tightening up the screen. I filed my flats down and things work much better after that for removal/installation. Mike C. > >Anybody have handy tips for removing the big nut that holds the oil screen >into the A65 rear case? These old engines have been serviced so many >hundreds of times by so many people that most of them have one or more >corners rounded off of the square head of the nut. Mine is that way and I >don't want to mess it up anymore than it is already. I put a Crescent >wrench on it and tried to loosen it, but no matter what I do it wants to >round the corners off and so I haven't pushed it. I know I need to >service the screen because it is so dusty flying in south Texas and I have >a new copper gasket for it ready to go if I can just get the nut off and >the screen out for cleaning. > >I'm even thinking of trying to fabricate a special wrench with a square >hole so it can get a purchase on all four corners of the nut, but even >that might be iffy with these rounded corners. Any help appreciated. > >Oscar Zuniga >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Date: Jun 30, 2006
Subject: FGM blurry plans
Thank you, Chris, Magnifying glass, copy machine, scanner - they will all take a tiny blob of blurry ink and turn it into a bigger blob of blurry ink. My plans aren't just small, they're fuzzy too. The confirmation of the steel gages will definitely help. I should be able to fudge my way through the rest of the dimensions. How did all those people in the 1930's and later manage to successfully build flying airplanes using only these plans, and without the assistance of all you guys on this list. Hats off to them! Bill C. ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catdesign Sent: June 30, 2006 10:00 AM >Is my copy worse than most, or is everyone's FGM printing blurry? No, they are very small and hard to read. Try blowing them up on a copy machine, worked great for me. Or use a magnifying glass. You can also scan it in at a high resolution and blow it up on the computer. >Are the thickness of the steel 12 gage for the lower turnbuckle fitting and the wing strut fitting, and 16 gage for all the other parts? Lower Turnbuckle 12g Wing Strut Fitting 12g All others appear to be 16g Cross Tube 3/4"x20g 1/2x16g steel strip full width of fuselage (on top of cross brace) Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Date: Jun 30, 2006
Subject: FGM blurry plans
Thanks for the offer, Jack. If you have a digital copy, I would very much appreciate a copy. If it's a physical hard copy, and you're going to Brodhead, you could bring it, and save the trouble and expense of mailing it to me. Bill C. ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack T. Textor Sent: June 30, 2006 10:16 AM Bill, Mine aren't too bad, it clearly shows 12 gauge for the strut and turnbuckle fittings. The V fittings show 16. I enlarged a copy that came out pretty well, if you want me to send a copy, let me know. Jack Textor Des Moines www.textors.com <http://www.textors.com/> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 30, 2006
Subject: Re: FGM blurry plans Textors project good pics of jigs
http://www.textors.com/PietProject.html -----Original Message----- Thank you, Chris, Magnifying glass, copy machine, scanner - they will all take a tiny blob of blurry ink and turn it into a bigger blob of blurry ink. My plans aren't just small, they're fuzzy too. The confirmation of the steel gages will definitely help. I should be able to fudge my way through the rest of the dimensions. How did all those people in the 1930's and later manage to successfully build flying airplanes using only these plans, and without the assistance of all you guys on this list. Hats off to them! Bill C. Sent: June 30, 2006 10:00 AM >Is my copy worse than most, or is everyone's FGM printing blurry? No, they are very small and hard to read. Try blowing them up on a copy machine, worked great for me. Or use a magnifying glass. You can also scan it in at a high resolution and blow it up on the computer. >Are the thickness of the steel 12 gage for the lower turnbuckle fitting and the wing strut fitting, and 16 gage for all the other parts? Lower Turnbuckle 12g Wing Strut Fitting 12g All others appear to be 16g Cross Tube 3/4"x20g 1/2x16g steel strip full width of fuselage (on top of cross brace) Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "M&M Stanley" <m2wal(at)nifty.com>
Date: Jul 01, 2006
Subject: FGM blurry plans
Hi Bill, I would tend to agree with Chris, re the thickness'. Mr.Mita here in Japan has a full size set of Jenny style u/c drawings. I had a look and the thickness' on the drawings are the same as Chris noted. >Are the thickness of the steel 12 gage for the lower turnbuckle fitting and >the wing strut fitting, and 16 gage for all the other parts? >Lower Turnbuckle 12g >Wing Strut Fitting 12g >All others appear to be 16g >Cross Tube 3/4"x20g >1/2x16g steel strip full width of fuselage (on top of cross brace) The steel strip full width of fuselage (on top of cross brace), is not shown on the drawings but it is mentioned in a copy of a page from 'EXPERIMENTER', May1, possibly 1956. B.H. Pietenpol reccomended (quote), " In making up the fuselage landing gear fittings, make the strap go way across the bottom. Where the flying struts are fastened to the wing,slant the wing fittings at about the slant of the flying struts. Cub wing fittings would work swell. Some sort of stop should be put on the controls". (end quote). The last bits are just for your info. May stir up some comments (?) Hope it helps. Mark Stanley Japan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Date: Jun 30, 2006
Subject: Re: Glenn Thomas
John, I sent contact info. Did you get it? Don't know if the problem is on my end or yours. Thanks, Glenn -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=43978#43978 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jun 30, 2006
Subject: Re: A65 oil screen removal
Oscar, Isn't that the one that's left hand thread? (lefty-loosy,righty-tighty, doesn't pertain) walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 9:26 AM > > > Anybody have handy tips for removing the big nut that holds the oil screen > into the A65 rear case? These old engines have been serviced so many > hundreds of times by so many people that most of them have one or more > corners rounded off of the square head of the nut. Mine is that way and I > don't want to mess it up anymore than it is already. I put a Crescent > wrench on it and tried to loosen it, but no matter what I do it wants to > round the corners off and so I haven't pushed it. I know I need to > service the screen because it is so dusty flying in south Texas and I have > a new copper gasket for it ready to go if I can just get the nut off and > the screen out for cleaning. > > I'm even thinking of trying to fabricate a special wrench with a square > hole so it can get a purchase on all four corners of the nut, but even > that might be iffy with these rounded corners. Any help appreciated. > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RBush96589(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 30, 2006
Subject: (no subject)
Hi Rob, we met last year at brodhead ,Ithink it was while we were looking at Jack's plane just after he and Mike got there,by the way Mike no apology needed.see you guys at brodhead. Robert (Randy) Bush ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
Date: Jun 30, 2006
Subject: Re: screen removal
Group, A Crescent Wrench (the British call it an "adjustable spanner") is not the best tool to use on the oil screen. In fact, its use is the main reason why so many of these oil screens have rounded corners. But if the Crescent wrench is a good one (not sloppy), it won't damage the corners--provided its jaws are tightened and held 90 degrees to the axis of the screen. The best tool for the small Continental oil screens is one you can make yourself. It will have two square holes in a piece of of 1/4" steel. One is 1" square and the other is 3/8" square, about 1" apart. The outside can be shaped into a sort-of tear drop. Using a 3/8" drive ratchet, one can usually manage to remove or tighten the oil screen quite easily without running up against the engine mount, etc. Some folks use too much torque and flatten the crush washer. Then when it leaks, they tighten it some more--and it then becomes difficult to loosen. Mike's suggestion to heat the oil screen housing becomes necessary. So don't over-torque this item lest you ruin the crush washer and create removal problems. "Oil tight" is the term I have seen that specifies the proper torque (a pretty "loose" specification which may not mean the same thing to everybody). Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Jul 02, 2006
Subject: Continental A65 8F
Went by an A&P friends house today to ask some questions about my new A65. He handed me the manual for the A65 and told me that whatever I wanted to know would be there. I've started reading and one of the first things I noticed is that continental recommends cruising at 2150 rpm (top rpm is 2300). The seller of N502R told me he cruised at 1850 so that is what I have cruised her at. I'm wondering what RPM the rest of you folks that fly behind an A65 cruise at? I'm still using mineral oil to break in the engine. What motor oil works best for you? I'm also wondering what prop others have found to work best for them? I'm up to my ears in work, so it may be a while before I get to fly (first I have to fix an oil leak) and see what 2150 rpm does for my cruising speed. Thanks in advance for shared information Gene ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Date: Jul 02, 2006
Subject: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
Gene-- I cruise at 2150 rpm using a 72" x 42 pitch wood prop and get about 71 mph from my A-65 in the Air Camper. My prop is a good combination of good climb and fair cruise speeds. I think Jack Phillips has the same size prop if I'm not mistaken. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "erik finster" <es_finster(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 02, 2006
Subject: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
Mike That sounds about right! I cruise at 85 mph in the 1946 7ac Champ ( cruise pitch- Sench Prop ) but everything I've read on the 65 Cont. Piets sounds, Spot on, (give or take strong head WIND!) That can set you back big time !!!!!!!!!! I once followed the 401 Hwy from Toronto to Windsor ground speed of 57mph everything was passin me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You Planning to make Oshkosh this year? . I will be going ,if so I'd Like to see you Airplane up close ,not just in the video Maybe I'll see you there Cheers Erik.S.Billing 1946 7ac Aeronca Champ C-FDFL Windsor Ontario Canada ex Spitfire MK9 Crew Chief >From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov> >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers >Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 19:19:12 -0400 > > > >Gene-- I cruise at 2150 rpm using a 72" x 42 pitch wood prop and get about >71 mph from my A-65 in the Air Camper. > >My prop is a good combination of good climb and fair cruise speeds. I >think Jack Phillips has the same size prop if I'm not mistaken. > >Mike C. > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >http://wiki.matronics.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Glass" <redsglass(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 03, 2006
Subject: Going to Brodhead and dogs? and the night before Chriastmas
Hi Everybody Well it looks like Steve from Maine will be at Brodhead. I know it has been said before but I never thought I would be going so......... I did not pay attention. Could somebody give me the times and things to do and see. I remember something about buying a dinner ticket early. Did we have to buy a pass for the weekend etc? I will be meeting my fianc who is driving across country with her 13 year old son and two dogs. Her son has just completed 6 months of intensive chemo for ALL luekimia and we are all looking forward to some fun. Are leashed dogs OK? I assume fiance's are ok off the leash but I might be on a short one for that comment. As I have not yet seen a Piet in the flesh I'm looking forward to it. In fact it is 1.30 am as I write this. I feel like a kid the night before Christmas. Looking forward to meeting some of you. Thanks and best regards Steve in Maine ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 03, 2006
Subject: Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
In a message dated 7/2/2006 6:21:36 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov writes: Gene-- I cruise at 2150 rpm using a 72" x 42 pitch wood prop and get about 71 mph from my A-65 in the Air Camper. My prop is a good combination of good climb and fair cruise speeds. I think Jack Phillips has the same size prop if I'm not mistaken. Mike C. My numbers, Cont.A65 with my homebuilt 72 X 42 prop, are very close to what Mike gets. Sometimes I like to pull power to about 1900 rpm to save fuel, and just enjoy the sceenery !! At 1800 rpm, she does about 45 - 48 mph level flight. Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Date: Jul 03, 2006
Subject: Going to Brodhead and dogs? and the night before Chriastmas
Steve, Glad you can make it. I'm hoping to be there Friday the 21st. Friday and Saturday seem to be the big days. Most everyone leaves for Oshkosh Sunday. It's very informal. Most people donate $10-20 for the weekend. When you donate, buy your dinner ticket. There are portable toilets and a couple of showers. You will see great people and planes. There is usually some imbibing after the dinner flights and a bonfire after dark. See you there! Jack Textor Des Moines Hi Everybody Well it looks like Steve from Maine will be at Brodhead. I know it has been said before but I never thought I would be going so......... I did not pay attention. Could somebody give me the times and things to do and see. I remember something about buying a dinner ticket early. Did we have to buy a pass for the weekend etc? I will be meeting my fianc who is driving across country with her 13 year old son and two dogs. Her son has just completed 6 months of intensive chemo for ALL luekimia and we are all looking forward to some fun. Are leashed dogs OK? I assume fiance's are ok off the leash but I might be on a short one for that comment. As I have not yet seen a Piet in the flesh I'm looking forward to it. In fact it is 1.30 am as I write this. I feel like a kid the night before Christmas. Looking forward to meeting some of you. Thanks and best regards Steve in Maine ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 03, 2006
Subject: Continental A65 8F
Gene wrote- >I'm still using mineral oil to break in the engine. What motor oil >works best for you? I asked the same question some months ago, and to save you the time going through all the great responses I got, here's the bottom line, snipped from my post in the archives: >it was unanimous that the Aeroshell W100, SAE50 ashless dispersant is what >is recommended. So let it be written... so let it be done! And to those >who asked, this is NOT for break-in duty. And you asked: >I'm also wondering what prop others have found to work best for them? NX41CC has a Hegy 72x42 prop on it. I believe you'll find that most of the people on this list flying with the A65 have a 72x42 prop. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Jul 03, 2006
Subject: Re: Continental A65 8F
Anyone know for sure how many hours I should run straight mineral oil before I change over to Aeroshell W100, SAE50? One A&P suggested I do it now at 50 hours and another suggested I run mineral another 20 hours. The continental manual doesn't say. Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 7:45 AM > > > Gene wrote- > >>I'm still using mineral oil to break in the engine. What motor oil >>works best for you? > > I asked the same question some months ago, and to save you the time going > through all the great responses I got, here's the bottom line, snipped > from my post in the archives: > >>it was unanimous that the Aeroshell W100, SAE50 ashless dispersant is what >>is recommended. So let it be written... so let it be done! And to those >>who asked, this is NOT for break-in duty. > > And you asked: > >>I'm also wondering what prop others have found to work best for them? > > NX41CC has a Hegy 72x42 prop on it. I believe you'll find that most of > the people on this list flying with the A65 have a 72x42 prop. > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "BPA" <BPA(at)bpaengines.com>
Date: Jul 03, 2006
Subject: Continental A65 8F
Gene, Typically, the change should occur at around 50 hours. Aeroshell W100 is what we recommend, but run what you feel confident in. Allen Barrett Barrett Precision Engines, Inc. www.barrettprecisionengines.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 7:09 AM Anyone know for sure how many hours I should run straight mineral oil before I change over to Aeroshell W100, SAE50? One A&P suggested I do it now at 50 hours and another suggested I run mineral another 20 hours. The continental manual doesn't say. Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 7:45 AM > > > Gene wrote- > >>I'm still using mineral oil to break in the engine. What motor oil >>works best for you? > > I asked the same question some months ago, and to save you the time going > through all the great responses I got, here's the bottom line, snipped > from my post in the archives: > >>it was unanimous that the Aeroshell W100, SAE50 ashless dispersant is what >>is recommended. So let it be written... so let it be done! And to those >>who asked, this is NOT for break-in duty. > > And you asked: > >>I'm also wondering what prop others have found to work best for them? > > NX41CC has a Hegy 72x42 prop on it. I believe you'll find that most of > the people on this list flying with the A65 have a 72x42 prop. > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Egan <johnegan99(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 03, 2006
Subject: Re: Going to Brodhead and dogs? and the night before Chriastmas
Hi Steve, You may also see the Brodhead EAA chapter 431 web site (www.eaa431.org) which includes the fly-in dates and some photos of the little airport to give you an idea of the area. I think the site also has the names of some local motels. For those who may have a little spare time, there is a small brewery in the near by town of New Glarus, Wi. They offer self guided tours and samples. The town (New Glarus) is dressed up like an old Swiss village with Swiss food and shops. John Greenville, Wi. Steve Glass wrote: Hi Everybody Well it looks like Steve from Maine will be at Brodhead. I know it has been said before but I never thought I would be going so......... I did not pay attention. --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 03, 2006
Subject: Re: Continental A65 8F
In a message dated 7/3/2006 8:30:05 AM Central Standard Time, zharvey(at)bellsouth.net writes: Anyone know for sure how many hours I should run straight mineral oil before I change over to Aeroshell W100, SAE50? One A&P suggested I do it now at 50 hours and another suggested I run mineral another 20 hours. The continental manual doesn't say. Gene Gene, I used Aeroshell Mineral oil for break in. I did my first oil change after about 3 or 4 hours. Second one after about 20 hrs, and third one after about 25 hours, then used Aeroshell W100 ever since. I have chrome cylinders, and it took nearly 100 hours of operation before the oil consumption started to be reduced. I now have about 300 hours on the engine. Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Ford" <Jford(at)indstate.edu>
Date: Jul 03, 2006
Subject: Re: Going to Brodhead and dogs? and the night
Steve, A couple of years ago I took the wife and 2 kids (6 and 11 years old at the time) and camped with friends who brought their small dog. It was perfect. There will be plenty of children (of literally all ages) and perhaps a dozen dogs on leashes. You will all have a blast. Plenty of room to camp (for a small $$$ donation in the coffee can on the freezer) and a couple of showers in the main hangar, should you feel the need. In the 4 years I've gone, I've not had time or inclination to leave the field (except to go for a ride in Ken Perkins' lovely orange time machine). ;) I won't be going this year, as I will be motorcycling in Nova Scotia and Newfoundland instead and couldn't move that trip back a week to allow me to go to Brodhead also this summer. Have fun, and I'll see you all next summer! John John Ford john(at)indstate.edu 812-237-8542 "Well...if you can't believe what you read in comic books then what CAN you believe?" - Bullwinkle J Moose *************************************************************************** This email, and any attachments, thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. *************************************************************************** >>> johnegan99(at)yahoo.com Monday, July 03, 2006 12:04 PM >>> Hi Steve, You may also see the Brodhead EAA chapter 431 web site (www.eaa431.org) which includes the fly-in dates and some photos of the little airport to give you an idea of the area. I think the site also has the names of some local motels. For those who may have a little spare time, there is a small brewery in the near by town of New Glarus, Wi. They offer self guided tours and samples. The town (New Glarus) is dressed up like an old Swiss village with Swiss food and shops. John Greenville, Wi. Steve Glass wrote: Hi Everybody Well it looks like Steve from Maine will be at Brodhead. I know it has been said before but I never thought I would be going so......... I did not pay attention. --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 03, 2006
Subject: Brodhead dreamin'
Howdy, 4th of July low 'n' slow fliers; Just winding down from having to work a Monday before the 4th (get to work on the airplane tomorrow!) and thinking about Brodhead next year. I figure it this way: First day, probably a Wednesday to make sure I have plenty of time, I take off after a good preflight check, briefing, and making sure everything is in the airplane and ready. That first day (short day, actually) is from my home airport of San Geronimo to Shreveport, Louisiana... home to 41CC and hush puppies, shrimp creole, and probably some cold beer. Absolutely have to visit the birthplace of this airplane and give my warmest regards to Kernal & Mrs. Corky in the genteel Southern way. Next day, Thursday, will be the long one... Shreveport to somewhere around St. Louis. Hope to find a Pietenpoler with a kind heart somewhere around St. Louis and maybe a hangar or something, and try to find a good beef steak with something cold to wash the bugs out of my throat. I reckon a good shower will be in order by then, too ;o) Third day, Friday, should be fairly easy, St. Louis to Brodhead. I'll fly under the arch on my way out, of course ;o) Spend Friday evening, Saturday, and early Sunday in Brodhead with a departure sometime before noon Sunday. Maybe mosey back more towards Kansas City or Topeka, down through Oklahoma, then straight south back home. Depends on who I meet in Brodhead and who might be heading back which way. Anybody ever fly from Brodhead to Kansas City or Topeka in a day in a Piet? Just doing a little daydreaming here, folks. Without some dreams, life is just punching a clock and paying bills. Fabric repairs and painting are complete on 41CC, landing gear legs are back on the airplane, brake overhaul is nearly complete. The last few items are to reinstall the fuel tank and paint the forward cabanes and then I think we'll be ready for the wings again. Stars & Stripes forever, and long may she wave! Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Jul 03, 2006
Subject: Re: Brodhead dreamin'
Oscar, My wife and I cruised on our sail boat in the pacific for 12 years and our motto is "If you don't dream, dreams can't come true". My recent trip in N502R started as a dream and gradually became real (although, underway I felt like I was dreaming). If you don't mind, I'd like to dream along with you. I live halfway between Memphis and Nashville where the showers are warm and the beer's ice cold. Would be a good stop for you and a good place for me to start the adventure. Just maybe we can find one or two others to join in on a trip of a life time. Brodhead 07, here we come! Gene N502R ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 8:23 PM > > > Howdy, 4th of July low 'n' slow fliers; > > Just winding down from having to work a Monday before the 4th (get to work > on the airplane tomorrow!) and thinking about Brodhead next year. I > figure it this way: > > First day, probably a Wednesday to make sure I have plenty of time, I take > off after a good preflight check, briefing, and making sure everything is > in the airplane and ready. That first day (short day, actually) is from > my home airport of San Geronimo to Shreveport, Louisiana... home to 41CC > and hush puppies, shrimp creole, and probably some cold beer. Absolutely > have to visit the birthplace of this airplane and give my warmest regards > to Kernal & Mrs. Corky in the genteel Southern way. > > Next day, Thursday, will be the long one... Shreveport to somewhere around > St. Louis. Hope to find a Pietenpoler with a kind heart somewhere around > St. Louis and maybe a hangar or something, and try to find a good beef > steak with something cold to wash the bugs out of my throat. I reckon a > good shower will be in order by then, too ;o) > > Third day, Friday, should be fairly easy, St. Louis to Brodhead. I'll fly > under the arch on my way out, of course ;o) Spend Friday evening, > Saturday, and early Sunday in Brodhead with a departure sometime before > noon Sunday. Maybe mosey back more towards Kansas City or Topeka, down > through Oklahoma, then straight south back home. Depends on who I meet in > Brodhead and who might be heading back which way. Anybody ever fly from > Brodhead to Kansas City or Topeka in a day in a Piet? > > Just doing a little daydreaming here, folks. Without some dreams, life is > just punching a clock and paying bills. Fabric repairs and painting are > complete on 41CC, landing gear legs are back on the airplane, brake > overhaul is nearly complete. The last few items are to reinstall the fuel > tank and paint the forward cabanes and then I think we'll be ready for the > wings again. > > Stars & Stripes forever, and long may she wave! > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 04, 2006
Subject: Re: Brodhead dreamin'
In a message dated 7/3/2006 8:27:23 PM Central Standard Time, taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes: Anybody ever fly from Brodhead to Kansas City or Topeka in a day in a Piet? Hey Oscar, That should not much of a problem. Maybe we can make that return trip as a flight of two...maybe three, if Mad Dawg Davis gets his plane flying by then. If you're route takes you around the North side of Kansas City, I would suggest a stop at Antique Field. Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 04, 2006
Subject: Re: Brodhead dreamin'
If you were to keep such a schedule you would probably spend your Friday in Brodhead memorial Hospital and stay there the entire next week. You may use our baths both evening and morning. We have pretty good water in La. I would recommend you leave no later than Monday am. Then Gantzerize you trip thereafter. If something looks interesting below find a smooth pasture or a straight section of a road void of power lines, land, rest and Gantzerize. You will NOT fly from SAT to Brodhead in 3 days and want to tell about it. Your butt will be so numb and legs so stiff with muscle cramps that you will probably have to crap standing up. Ask Gantzer. You, and any Pieter, are always welcome for bath, bed, beer and breakfast. Corky and Isabelle ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 04, 2006
Subject: Brodhead dreamin'
Gene writes- >I live halfway between Memphis and Nashville where the showers are warm >and the beer's ice cold. Would be a good stop for you and a good place for >me >to start the adventure. Are you anywhere near Lake Barkley? A couple of years ago the KR Gathering was held there (more than one year, I believe) and it's supposed to be a fabulous place. I didn't go, but saw pictures of the park and lake. Not too far out of my way and could be fun for me to fly into and rendezvous with you if it works out. And "Smokin' Chuck" wrote- >If your route takes you around the North side of Kansas City, >I would suggest a stop at Antique Field. Haven't planned anything firm as far as route, but I looked at heading down towards Kansas City and then over to Wichita, then pretty much straight down past OKC back home to San Antonio. Maybe a diversion over to Sterling Brooks' place. It's fun to plan flights. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Jul 04, 2006
Subject: Re: Brodhead dreamin'
You can see Kentucky Lake (which runs parallel to Barkley Lake with "Land Between the Lakes" between them) as you lift off of our runway ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:55 AM > > > Gene writes- > >>I live halfway between Memphis and Nashville where the showers are warm >>and the beer's ice cold. Would be a good stop for you and a good place >>for me >>to start the adventure. > > Are you anywhere near Lake Barkley? A couple of years ago the KR > Gathering was held there (more than one year, I believe) and it's supposed > to be a fabulous place. I didn't go, but saw pictures of the park and > lake. Not too far out of my way and could be fun for me to fly into and > rendezvous with you if it works out. > > And "Smokin' Chuck" wrote- > >>If your route takes you around the North side of Kansas City, >>I would suggest a stop at Antique Field. > > Haven't planned anything firm as far as route, but I looked at heading > down towards Kansas City and then over to Wichita, then pretty much > straight down past OKC back home to San Antonio. Maybe a diversion over > to Sterling Brooks' place. It's fun to plan flights. > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
Date: Jul 04, 2006
Subject: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Bill Church Lists: Pietenpol-List Subject: Brodhead 2004 Movie http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/eng@canadianrogers.com.07.04.2006/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------- o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures(at)matronics.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Date: Jul 04, 2006
Subject: Re: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
Sweet....the "olde timey" look at the end was EXCELLENT!!! The music was just right.... Jim Markle Pryor, OK 214.505.6101 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 2:23 PM Available! > > > > A new Email List Photo Share is available: > > Poster: Bill Church > > Lists: Pietenpol-List > > Subject: Brodhead 2004 Movie > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/eng@canadianrogers.com.07.04.2006/index.html > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > o Main Photo Share Index > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > o Submitting a Photo Share > > If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the > following information along with your email message and files: > > 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: > 2) Your Full Name: > 3) Your Email Address: > 4) One line Subject description: > 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: > 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: > > Email the information above and your files and photos to: > > pictures(at)matronics.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike King" <mikek120(at)mindspring.com>
Date: Jul 05, 2006
Subject: Re: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
I agree with Jim. What a great job and motivator to get those saws spinning and glue guns locked and loaded. Get er dun boys. Mike King GN-1 77MK Ponder, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Markle To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 10:01 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! Sweet....the "olde timey" look at the end was EXCELLENT!!! The music was just right.... Jim Markle Pryor, OK 214.505.6101 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 2:23 PM Available! > > > > A new Email List Photo Share is available: > > Poster: Bill Church > > Lists: Pietenpol-List > > Subject: Brodhead 2004 Movie > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/eng@canadianrogers.com.07.04.2006/ind ex.html > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > o Main Photo Share Index > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > o Submitting a Photo Share > > If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the > following information along with your email message and files: > > 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: > 2) Your Full Name: > 3) Your Email Address: > 4) One line Subject description: > 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: > 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: > > Email the information above and your files and photos to: > > pictures(at)matronics.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 05, 2006
Subject: Fuselage inclination
Hi Folks Can anybody tell me what their fuselage inclination angle is, while sitting on the ground? What is the "proper" angle. I will have the Jenny style gear with spoked wheels and a Ford A engine with what prop I do not know yet. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 05, 2006
Subject: Re: Fuselage inclination
Dan, Mine is about 11=BA. I have split axle, with 6" turf tires, so yours will b e a bit higher than that...if you have the Short Fuselage, I would guess about 15=BA. Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Jul 05, 2006
Subject: Re: Continental A65 8F
Chuck, What is your corrent oil usage? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 12:08 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental A65 8F In a message dated 7/3/2006 8:30:05 AM Central Standard Time, zharvey(at)bellsouth.net writes: Anyone know for sure how many hours I should run straight mineral oil before I change over to Aeroshell W100, SAE50? One A&P suggested I do it now at 50 hours and another suggested I run mineral another 20 hours. The continental manual doesn't say. Gene Gene, I used Aeroshell Mineral oil for break in. I did my first oil change after about 3 or 4 hours. Second one after about 20 hrs, and third one after about 25 hours, then used Aeroshell W100 ever since. I have chrome cylinders, and it took nearly 100 hours of operation before the oil consumption started to be reduced. I now have about 300 hours on the engine. Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 06, 2006
Subject: Re: Continental A65 8F
In a message dated 7/5/2006 8:31:44 PM Central Standard Time, zharvey(at)bellsouth.net writes: Chuck, What is your corrent oil usage? Gene Gene, I add oil in very small quantities, and haven't really checked how many hours I get when the quart is finally empty, however, the consumption went down noticably when the cast iron rings seated in against the chrome cylinders, but like I said, it took about 100 hours...quite a bit longer than if it weren't chrome cylinders. This is pretty much what they told me when Aircraft Cylinders of America (in OK) did the work. Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Date: Jul 06, 2006
Subject: A-65 oil type and consumption
Guys-- thought I would second the notes by Dr. Gantzer (we love you, man) on his oil type and consumption. I too run Aeroshell 100 and with plain steel cylinders and 4130 Chromoly piston rings I consume about 1 quart in 50 hours or so, perhaps less. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Date: Jul 06, 2006
Subject: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
To all who have complimented my little film (Jim, Mike, Bill)... Thanks. Glad you liked it. I was starting to wonder if the file size was too big to get posted to Photoshare, since it took a couple of weeks to appear. The original file was about 12Megs, but it was too big for me to e-mail, so I compressed it down by half to send it through (still a rather large file at 6Megs). The footage was just shot with a digital still camera, set on "movie" mode, then I used Windows Movie Maker (that comes standard with Windows) to edit and paste together the clips, and add the intro and music. Even the "antiquing" at the end was done with that program. If the people in that last scene were wearing 1930's style clothing, I think you'd believe it was old film from the thirties. It's amazing what this software enables amateurs like me to accomplish. Bill C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TBYH(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 06, 2006
Subject: Wheel weight
Wondering what your wheels weigh, each -- those of you using motorcycle or the custom-built spoked wheels, with tires installed? (Yes, I'm working on the landing gear...) Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 06, 2006
Subject: Re: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
Bill, I recently got DSL, so now I can enjoy video clips like that !! Thanks for doing it. Chuck G. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)mn.rr.com>
Date: Jul 06, 2006
Subject: Re: Wheel weight
I didn't weigh each wheel individually but the complete undercarriage for NX18235 weighs 60 lbs. That includes gear legs, axle, spreader bars, bungee cords, wheels and tires, all bracing cables and turnbuckles. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: TBYH(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheel weight Wondering what your wheels weigh, each -- those of you using motorcycle or the custom-built spoked wheels, with tires installed? (Yes, I'm working on the landing gear...) Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)mn.rr.com>
Date: Jul 06, 2006
Subject: Re: Fuselage inclination
Hi Dan, NX18235 sits at an angle of 12.2 degrees with the Jenny style gear and 19" wheels. I don't know if it is "proper" or not but landings are quite easy. There is no tendency to float when touching down in a 3-point or skid first attitude at 35 - 40 mph and roll-outs are very short because there is a LOT of wing exposed at 12.2 degrees. Small picture attached. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 8:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage inclination Hi Folks Can anybody tell me what their fuselage inclination angle is, while sitting on the ground? What is the "proper" angle. I will have the Jenny style gear with spoked wheels and a Ford A engine with what prop I do not know yet. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu>
Date: Jul 07, 2006
Subject: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
So where is the video clip? I must have missed it in my search on Bills posts... Steve E ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rcaprd(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:01 PM Share Available! Bill, I recently got DSL, so now I can enjoy video clips like that !! Thanks for doing it. Chuck G. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Date: Jul 07, 2006
Subject: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
Steve, It's in Photo Share. here's a link: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/eng@canadianrogers.com.07.04.2006/in dex.html <http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/eng@canadianrogers.com.07.04.2006/i ndex.html> hope that works. If not, just check the Matronics Photoshare for the Pietenpol list. It's at the top of the list. Bill C. ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Eldredge Sent: July 7, 2006 11:31 AM Share Available! So where is the video clip? I must have missed it in my search on Bills posts... Steve E ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rcaprd(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:01 PM Share Available! Bill, I recently got DSL, so now I can enjoy video clips like that !! Thanks for doing it. Chuck G. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Date: Jul 07, 2006
Subject: A plug for Earth Rider hotel
We are staying at the Earth Rider Hotel in Brodhead this year for the Fly-In. They still have rooms available for those days. If you're interested, their contact information is: http://www.earthridercycling.com/ Earth Rider, 929 W. Exchange St., Brodhead, WI 53520, 608-897-8300 (phone) 608-214-3573 (alt. phone) 608-897-8399 (fax) info(at)earthridercycling.com I'm sending this to the list because I have had what I consider outstanding service from Sharon, the owner. We had originally booked a room with two beds and a roll-away. Somehow it worked out that the roll-away would not fit. To honor the original agreement, Sharon is renting us an entire additional room for the price of the roll-away ($10 per night!). She said she'd have beds for three, and by gosh, she is honoring that. Sharon's decision has now made it possible for my wife to additionally come along (no way was she going to share a room with three smelly guys!). I think Sharon has a great business ethic, and she's very welcoming to fly-in attendees. Additional reviews of her business are at: http://tinyurl.com/pnbuw http://www.indreg.com/Default.cfm?Date=06/08/2005 I hope this doesn't transgress list etiquette, but I thought some on the list would be interested in another great Brodhead business that welcomes Piet people. Jeff -- _____________________________________________________________ Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis mailto:jboatri(at)emory.edu ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca>
Date: Jul 07, 2006
Subject: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
So that's what it's going to look like when I finally fly mine,only from the back seat!Thanks that was great,inspirational! ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: July 7, 2006 11:57 AM Share Available! Steve, It's in Photo Share. here's a link: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/eng@canadianrogers.com.07.04.2006/in dex.html <http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/eng@canadianrogers.com.07.04.2006/i ndex.html> hope that works. If not, just check the Matronics Photoshare for the Pietenpol list. It's at the top of the list. Bill C. ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Eldredge Sent: July 7, 2006 11:31 AM Share Available! So where is the video clip? I must have missed it in my search on Bills posts... Steve E ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rcaprd(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:01 PM Share Available! Bill, I recently got DSL, so now I can enjoy video clips like that !! Thanks for doing it. Chuck G. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jul 07, 2006
Subject: Re: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share
Bill, Can't seem to get it. It say's "file not found" walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Church To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 11:57 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! Steve, It's in Photo Share. here's a link: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/eng@canadianrogers.com.07.04.2006/ind ex.html hope that works. If not, just check the Matronics Photoshare for the Pietenpol list. It's at the top of the list. Bill C. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Eldredge Sent: July 7, 2006 11:31 AM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! So where is the video clip? I must have missed it in my search on Bills posts. Steve E ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rcaprd(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:01 PM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! Bill, I recently got DSL, so now I can enjoy video clips like that !! Thanks for doing it. Chuck G. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 07, 2006
Subject: Re: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share
Try clicking on this link: Matronics Email List Photo Share Listings - eng @ canadianrogers.com.07.04.2006 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Date: Jul 07, 2006
Subject: Re: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share
This is an experiment. If it works it will be the best way to post long links. [url http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/eng@canadianrogers.com.07.04.2006/index.html]Bill's Awesome Video[/url] -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=45610#45610 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Date: Jul 07, 2006
Subject: Re: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share
One last try... Bill's Awesome Video (http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/eng@canadianrogers.com.07.04.2006/index.html) -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=45613#45613 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Date: Jul 07, 2006
Subject: Re: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share
This seems to work. If you include a link in your post these steps will guarantee that everybody sees it... 1. Before you paste in the link click the URL button. 2. Then backspace over the closing bracket ("]") and get rid of it and replace it with "=". 3. Paste in the link. 4. Put the closing bracket back in. 5. Type a SHORT description (this is what shows up instead of the actual link). 6. Hit the URL button again. 7. Done. I think the URL gets chopped of when it gets spit into 2 lines during the copy and paste. This should work (or I'll look foolish). :) BTW The video is awesome, especially the grand finale. Thanks a lot Bill! -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=45617#45617 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Date: Jul 07, 2006
Subject: Re: Wheel weight
I use Harley 21" wheels. Complete with rotot, 27lb each. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: TBYH(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheel weight Wondering what your wheels weigh, each -- those of you using motorcycle or the custom-built spoked wheels, with tires installed? (Yes, I'm working on the landing gear...) Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Date: Jul 07, 2006
Subject: Re: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share
Sorry. Matronics turns the "@" character into "(at)" when it turns it into a link so this won't work for links that have that character in them anywhere. It will otherwise. I'll stop experimenting now. -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=45618#45618 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 07, 2006
Subject: Re: Fuselage inclination
Greg, I think mine will sit at about the same angle when I am finished. Your airplane is beautiful! Dan Helsper ________________________________________________________________________________
From: kmordecai001(at)comcast.net
Date: Jul 08, 2006
Subject: Source for A-75 .020" under bearings?
Hi Folks, Anybody know where I can buy .020" under bearings for the A-75? I tore it down the other day due to: 1. low oil pressure (27 psi @ 145F on a 90F day with SAE 50wt) 2. no logs on the engine, hence an unknown # of hours on it 3. a low frequency vibration at reduced throttle settings (about 2000 rpm down to about 1600). I found the center and rear mains worn down to the copper around 90% of their diameter, and the rod bearings showing copper under the beam of the rod. Cam and tappets look great :-). The engine had new oil pump gears and a fresh top-end w/ chrome cylinders 65 hr ago when it was installed in the Piet by the builder, but I was always concerned about the bottom end due to the lack of documentation. The vibration convinced me it was time to open & inspect. The crank passed magnaflux, but was previously ground .010" under and is now worn/scored slighly/just out of spec for fresh .010" bearings. I haven't started looking for .020" under bearings as I didn't think they existed, but read of them tonight on Harry Fenton's website. I appreciate any "tribal knowledge" on this, as I've been into many engines of many types in the past but this is my first Continental. I do have the factory manual for reference, and I have to say this is one of the simplest little engines (in a good way!) that I've ever seen. What do y'all recommend for sealing the case halves? I've always used Hylomar for Porsche/VW engines, but this Continental appeared to have been sealed previously with blue Aviation Permatex. Thanks in advance! Dave Mordecai Panacea, FL, where it's too hot to fly this time of year anyway, so I may as well overhaul my engine!
Hi Folks,

Anybody know where I can buy .020" under bearings for the A-75? I tore it down the other day due to:

1. low oil pressure (27 psi @ 145F on a 90F day with SAE 50wt)

2. no logs on the engine, hence an unknown # of hours on it

3. a low frequency vibration at reduced throttle settings (about 2000 rpm down to about 1600).

I found the center and rear mains worn down to the copper around 90% of their diameter, and the rod bearings showing copper under the beam of the rod. Cam and tappets look great :-).

The engine had new oil pump gears and a fresh top-end w/ chrome cylinders 65 hr ago when it was installed in the Piet by the builder, but I was always concerned about the bottom end due to the lack of documentation. The vibration convinced me it was time to open & inspect.

The crank passed magnaflux, but was previously ground .010" under and is now worn/scored slighly/just out of spec for fresh .010" bearings. I haven't started looking for .020" under bearings as I didn't think they existed, but read of them tonight on Harry Fenton's website.

I appreciate any "tribal knowledge" on this, as I've been into many engines of many types in the past but this is my first Continental. I do have the factory manual for reference, and I have to say this is one of the simplest little engines (in a good way!) that I've ever seen.

What do y'all recommend for sealing the case halves? I've always used Hylomar for Porsche/VW engines, but this Continental appeared to have been sealed previously with blue Aviation Permatex.

Thanks in advance!

Dave Mordecai

Panacea, FL, where it's too hot to fly this time of year anyway, so I may as well overhaul my engine!
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From: Wizzard187(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 08, 2006
Subject: Re: Source for A-75 .020" under bearings?
If you get Trade a plane and look for Captain Woody under cont engine parts he has .020 bearings. They are not cheap and the front main is alittle different than the orginals so you must modify the case just alittle. I made a tool to do it with. which I can bring to Broadhead. Ken Conrad in Long Grove Iowa. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Jul 08, 2006
Subject: Fuselage lengths/ Weight & balance
Trying to learn everything I can about the Pietenpols so please bare with me. I read that Air Campers have been plans built with several diffferent fuselage lengths. Can anyone tell me what the lengths are and how are they measured? From Firewall to rudder post?? What is the proper method for measureing Weight & balance of an Air Camper? What is the normal gross weight for the one piece wing? What is normal (or average) empty weight? Gene N502R Tennessee ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 08, 2006
Subject: Re: Fuselage lengths/ Weight & balance
In a message dated 7/8/2006 12:21:00 PM Central Standard Time, zharvey(at)bellsouth.net writes: Trying to learn everything I can about the Pietenpols so please bare with me. I read that Air Campers have been plans built with several diffferent fuselage lengths. Can anyone tell me what the lengths are and how are they measured? From Firewall to rudder post?? What is the proper method for measureing Weight & balance of an Air Camper? What is the normal gross weight for the one piece wing? What is normal (or average) empty weight? Gene N502R Tennessee Here is a Weight & Balance report from Brodhead '94. None of these empty weights are very close to what the plans call for - 610 lbs Brodhead -1994 Tail Number Engine Type Fuselage Length Empty Weight CG empty /inches aft of datum CG w/170# pilot & 7 gal. fuel Wt. w/170# pilot & 170# pass & 7 gal. fuel CG w/170# pilot & 170# pass & 7 gal. fuel DATAM IS THE LEADING EDGE TAIL # ENGINE FUSE MT WT. EWCG w/ 170lb Gross CG Gross N444MH Ford 'A' Short 648 7.49 17.72 1048 18.83 NX13691 Ford 'A' Short 676 11.83 21.04 1088 22.02 NX4662T Ford 'A' Short 671 13.69 20.45 1071 20.7 NX5228 Ford 'A' Long 684 6.69 16.16 1084 17.33 C FCMG 0-200 Long 774 15.25 20.42 1208 19.43 N 396S C-85 Long 820 15.2 18.61 1256 16.57 N 687MB 0-200 Long 705 5.59 14.57 1143 15.79 N 778DD Corvair Long 731 9.08 15.93 1191 14.98 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: kmordecai001(at)comcast.net
Date: Jul 09, 2006
Subject: Re: Source for A-75 .020" under bearings
Thanks Ken, I'll give Capt. Woody a call Monday. Thanks also for the tool offer, but I won't make it to Broadhead this year :-(, but I can probably make whatever is needed to clearance the case. In other news, the rods are straight & round, cylinders/pistons/rockers are in excellent shape (only 60 hours on the new chrome cylinders, rings aren't quite seated yet), and the case has no cracks or pulled studs. I'm spending today cleaning up the nasty surface finish in the intake ports, elbows, and spider. Lot's of "low-hanging fruit" in there, maybe I'll pick up a few rpm on takeoff :-) 1940's castings sure were rough.......not removing any wall thickness as there's not much there in the first place, just removing the high spots. Thanks again! Dave Mordecai Panacea, FL If you get Trade a plane and look for Captain Woody under cont engine parts he has .020 bearings. They are not cheap and the front main is alittle different than the orginals so you must modify the case just alittle. I made a tool to do it with. which I can bring to Broadhead. Ken Conrad in Long Grove Iowa.
Thanks Ken,

I'll give Capt. Woody a call Monday.

Thanks also for the tool offer, but I won't make it to Broadhead this year :-(, but I can probably make whatever is needed to clearance the case.

In other news, the rods are straight & round, cylinders/pistons/rockers are in excellent shape (only 60 hours on the new chrome cylinders, rings aren't quite seated yet), and the case has no cracks or pulled studs.

I'm spending today cleaning up the nasty surface finish in the intake ports, elbows, and spider. Lot's of "low-hanging fruit" in there, maybe I'll pick up a few rpm on takeoff :-)    1940's castings sure were rough.......not removing any wall thickness as there's not much there in the first place, just removing the high spots.

Thanks again!

Dave Mordecai

Panacea, FL

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From: "pietflyr" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Jul 09, 2006
Subject: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
Yep. Mine is a Sensenich 72 x 42, and I get about 2275 on climbout with it, and cruise at 2150. Gives me about 72 mph indicated. Jack Phillips (back from the honeymoon and hoping to get some Piet time this afternoon) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:19 PM Gene-- I cruise at 2150 rpm using a 72" x 42 pitch wood prop and get about 71 mph from my A-65 in the Air Camper. My prop is a good combination of good climb and fair cruise speeds. I think Jack Phillips has the same size prop if I'm not mistaken. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pietflyr" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Jul 09, 2006
Subject: Continental A65 8F
Gene, I ran mineral oil in mine until it stopped burning oil (indicating the rings had seated), which was about 10 hours. It never burned mich oil (new Millenium cylinders and new pistons and rings), but after 10 hours it quit burning it entirely so I changed the oil at that time and have run Aeroshell W100 (ashless dispersant) ever since. It tends to burn a quart about every 25 hours now. So far I have about 80 hours on it. Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 9:09 AM Anyone know for sure how many hours I should run straight mineral oil before I change over to Aeroshell W100, SAE50? One A&P suggested I do it now at 50 hours and another suggested I run mineral another 20 hours. The continental manual doesn't say. Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 7:45 AM > > > Gene wrote- > >>I'm still using mineral oil to break in the engine. What motor oil >>works best for you? > > I asked the same question some months ago, and to save you the time going > through all the great responses I got, here's the bottom line, snipped > from my post in the archives: > >>it was unanimous that the Aeroshell W100, SAE50 ashless dispersant is what >>is recommended. So let it be written... so let it be done! And to those >>who asked, this is NOT for break-in duty. > > And you asked: > >>I'm also wondering what prop others have found to work best for them? > > NX41CC has a Hegy 72x42 prop on it. I believe you'll find that most of > the people on this list flying with the A65 have a 72x42 prop. > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Skip-Cinda Gadd" <csfog(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 09, 2006
Subject: Fuselage lengths/ Weight & balance
Hi Gene, There are 3 different fuselage lengths I know of. 1934 Orrin Hoopman, (short), Corvair, (long) and the Flying and glider, (short-short). If we look at the 1934 fuselage as the norm at 13' 7", the F&g is 2" shorter at 13'5" and the Corvair is 9 3/8" longer at 14' 4 3/8". These measurements are firewall to rudder post. Again if we use the 1934 as norm; The F&g is 2" shorter in the first bay behind the firewall with all other bays the same as the 1934. It is also 1" bigger top longeron to bottom longeron at 25", both others are 24". It is 1 1/8 shorter at the firewall at 20 3/4", and 1/8" taller at the tailpost at 11". The Corvair is 2" longer in the first bay, 2" longer in the third bay(pilot pit), 2 1/2" longer 2nd to last bay and, 2 7/8" longer in the last bay(tailpost). The steel tube supplement that came with my 1934 plans shows its length at 13'5", the same as the F&g wood fuselage. Skip, Hales Landing WV (2WV3) ----- Original Message ----- I read that Air Campers have been plans built with several diffferent fuselage lengths. Can anyone tell me what the lengths are and how are they measured? From Firewall to rudder post?? Gene N502R Tennessee ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike King" <mikek120(at)mindspring.com>
Date: Jul 09, 2006
Subject: Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
Guys, I am considering switching my current McCauley 69x39 Metal prop to a 72x42 Wooden prop for better overall performance.....however the metal prop is heavier than wood and would result in a higher nose attitude at cruise. What would you recommend to offset the weight difference and drop the nose. Thanks for the thoughts. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: pietflyr To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:53 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers Yep. Mine is a Sensenich 72 x 42, and I get about 2275 on climbout with it, and cruise at 2150. Gives me about 72 mph indicated. Jack Phillips (back from the honeymoon and hoping to get some Piet time this afternoon) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:19 PM Gene-- I cruise at 2150 rpm using a 72" x 42 pitch wood prop and get about 71 mph from my A-65 in the Air Camper. My prop is a good combination of good climb and fair cruise speeds. I think Jack Phillips has the same size prop if I'm not mistaken. Mike C. ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pietflyr" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Jul 09, 2006
Subject: Fuselage inclination
Mine's about 13 degrees. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of HelsperSew(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:31 AM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage inclination Hi Folks Can anybody tell me what their fuselage inclination angle is, while sitting on the ground? What is the "proper" angle. I will have the Jenny style gear with spoked wheels and a Ford A engine with what prop I do not know yet. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Wizzard187(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 09, 2006
Subject: Re: Source for A-75 .020" under bearings
Dave, I wish I had your cylinders. Mine are to the top limits and .015 over. Ken ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Smoyer <mox499(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 09, 2006
Subject: Re: Wheel weight
Greg: Does your Piet have brakes? If so, are they included in the 60 lbs? I just bought master cylinders, calipers and discs off of 2 junked 1975 Honda CB360 motor cycles. Don't know the weights yet. Any comments on motorcycle brakes for a Piet, based on your experience? Thanks for all your postings to the Matronics site, and good luck with your Piet. Best Regards, John Smoyer gcardinal wrote: I didn't weigh each wheel individually but the complete undercarriage for NX18235 weighs 60 lbs. That includes gear legs, axle, spreader bars, bungee cords, wheels and tires, all bracing cables and turnbuckles. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: TBYH(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheel weight Wondering what your wheels weigh, each -- those of you using motorcycle or the custom-built spoked wheels, with tires installed? (Yes, I'm working on the landing gear...) Fred B. La Crosse, WI --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 09, 2006
Subject: Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
In a message dated 7/9/2006 9:09:00 AM Central Standard Time, mikek120(at)mindspring.com writes: Guys, I am considering switching my current McCauley 69x39 Metal prop to a 72x42 Wooden prop for better overall performance.....however the metal prop is heavier than wood and would result in a higher nose attitude at cruise. What would you recommend to offset the weight difference and drop the nose. Thanks for the thoughts. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas Mike, I can guarantee you will get better performance with a longer prop, and lighter weight. You will have to do a weight & balance calculation, to see if you are tail heavy with the lighter prop. If the plane is NOT tail heavy in any condition, including Zero fuel - with pilot weight, then you're good to go. Adding ballast is the last resort...ballast gives me the Hiebie Jiebie's !! Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen(at)ptialaska.net>
Date: Jul 09, 2006
Subject: Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
I put on the 0-235 for N-1033B a 74" walnut/maple scrimatar type made by: Gary Anderson Commanche TX 325-357-2810 inexpensive and absolutely beautiful. Probably have to wait 8-10+ weeks, but worth it. Gordon Pics on other computer or I'd attach, will do so after figure out how to transfer files. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 11:20 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers In a message dated 7/9/2006 9:09:00 AM Central Standard Time, mikek120(at)mindspring.com writes: Guys, I am considering switching my current McCauley 69x39 Metal prop to a 72x42 Wooden prop for better overall performance.....however the metal prop is heavier than wood and would result in a higher nose attitude at cruise. What would you recommend to offset the weight difference and drop the nose. Thanks for the thoughts. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas Mike, I can guarantee you will get better performance with a longer prop, and lighter weight. You will have to do a weight & balance calculation, to see if you are tail heavy with the lighter prop. If the plane is NOT tail heavy in any condition, including Zero fuel - with pilot weight, then you're good to go. Adding ballast is the last resort...ballast gives me the Hiebie Jiebie's !! Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "bike.mike" <bike.mike(at)charter.net>
Date: Jul 09, 2006
Subject: Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
Mike, A lighter prop will not make your nose be higher at cruise or any other given speed. The total lift of a wing at any speed, while straight and level, has to equal the total weight of the airplane plus any stabilizing aerodynamic downforce on the tail. Lift is a function of speed, air density, wing area, and angle of attack (relates to lift coefficient). If the airplane is lighter, as it would be with a lighter prop, your nose will be lower for any given speed because the wing can have a lower angle of attack to produce the lower necessary lift. What will change for your airplane is center of gravity. Without any other changes, your lighter prop means more forward stick pressure (or less aft pressure). Mike Hardaway ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike King To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 7:07 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers Guys, I am considering switching my current McCauley 69x39 Metal prop to a 72x42 Wooden prop for better overall performance.....however the metal prop is heavier than wood and would result in a higher nose attitude at cruise. What would you recommend to offset the weight difference and drop the nose. Thanks for the thoughts. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: pietflyr To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:53 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers Yep. Mine is a Sensenich 72 x 42, and I get about 2275 on climbout with it, and cruise at 2150. Gives me about 72 mph indicated. Jack Phillips (back from the honeymoon and hoping to get some Piet time this afternoon) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:19 PM Gene-- I cruise at 2150 rpm using a 72" x 42 pitch wood prop and get about 71 mph from my A-65 in the Air Camper. My prop is a good combination of good climb and fair cruise speeds. I think Jack Phillips has the same size prop if I'm not mistaken. Mike C. http://www.mat==================== ========================= =====p; Email List ; ========================= ========================= nbsp; generous bsp; ========================= ================ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike King" <mikek120(at)mindspring.com>
Date: Jul 09, 2006
Subject: Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
Chuck, I will definitely get a longer prop with a different pitch for better overall performance. I hope the change will not result in a greater "tail heavy" condition. I have instrumentation in both cockpits with brakes only in the aft compartment. I am also going to fill-in the gaps in the wings and tail section. With a change in prop and the addition of gap seals, the plane should fly better than ever before. Any thoughts on Gordon's new prop (walnut/maple scimitar) for my A-80? Comanche is not far from where I live. By the way, I just read Mike Hardaway's post and I am feeling better about the proposed change. Thanks Chuck, Mike and Gordon for the input. This IS a great list. Mike GN-1 77MK Dallas ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers In a message dated 7/9/2006 9:09:00 AM Central Standard Time, mikek120(at)mindspring.com writes: Guys, I am considering switching my current McCauley 69x39 Metal prop to a 72x42 Wooden prop for better overall performance.....however the metal prop is heavier than wood and would result in a higher nose attitude at cruise. What would you recommend to offset the weight difference and drop the nose. Thanks for the thoughts. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas Mike, I can guarantee you will get better performance with a longer prop, and lighter weight. You will have to do a weight & balance calculation, to see if you are tail heavy with the lighter prop. If the plane is NOT tail heavy in any condition, including Zero fuel - with pilot weight, then you're good to go. Adding ballast is the last resort...ballast gives me the Hiebie Jiebie's !! Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)mn.rr.com>
Date: Jul 09, 2006
Subject: Re: Wheel weight
John, Brakes were not installed. I think others on the list are more qualified to comment on motorcycle brakes. Brakes are definitely NOT needed for landings. They would be useful for taxiing / maneuvering on crowded aprons. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: John Smoyer To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wheel weight Greg: Does your Piet have brakes? If so, are they included in the 60 lbs? I just bought master cylinders, calipers and discs off of 2 junked 1975 Honda CB360 motor cycles. Don't know the weights yet. Any comments on motorcycle brakes for a Piet, based on your experience? Thanks for all your postings to the Matronics site, and good luck with your Piet. Best Regards, John Smoyer gcardinal wrote: I didn't weigh each wheel individually but the complete undercarriage for NX18235 weighs 60 lbs. That includes gear legs, axle, spreader bars, bungee cords, wheels and tires, all bracing cables and turnbuckles. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: TBYH(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheel weight Wondering what your wheels weigh, each -- those of you using motorcycle or the custom-built spoked wheels, with tires installed? (Yes, I'm working on the landing gear...) Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Date: Jul 09, 2006
Subject: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
Gordon, Do you have his contact info, or does he have a website? Thanks, Jack Textor I put on the 0-235 for N-1033B a 74" walnut/maple scrimatar type made by: Gary Anderson Commanche TX 325-357-2810 inexpensive and absolutely beautiful. Probably have to wait 8-10+ weeks, but worth it. Gordon Pics on other computer or I'd attach, will do so after figure out how to transfer files. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Jul 09, 2006
Subject: Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
Jack, I was looking around barnstormers.com for props and found the following. It may be what Gordon was speaking of. Jay Anderson CloudCars 325-356-2810 cloudcars(at)verizon.net This Pietenpol site is really outstanding! I've only had my plane a few weeks and already I have learned far more from this site than the previous owner or the builder could tell me. While looking for prop information I also contacted a Mr. Chad Wille at 641-322-4041. Wille has built a number of Pietenpols and builds props for a living. Sounds like he really knows his stuff on both Pietenpols and props. My Pietenpol with a continental A65 came with a 69X48 McCauley metal prop and as soon as I can afford it, I'm changing to a longer wood prop. Mr Wille recommends going to a 74X38 Wood prop. I would be interested in hearing form others if they have bought from Anderson or Wille and if in fact anyone flys behind a 74X38 wood prop on a continenal A 65. Thank you Gene N502R Tennessee ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack T. Textor To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 5:33 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers Gordon, Do you have his contact info, or does he have a website? Thanks, Jack Textor I put on the 0-235 for N-1033B a 74" walnut/maple scrimatar type made by: Gary Anderson Commanche TX 325-357-2810 inexpensive and absolutely beautiful. Probably have to wait 8-10+ weeks, but worth it. Gordon Pics on other computer or I'd attach, will do so after figure out how to transfer files. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Jul 09, 2006
Subject: Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
Jack, Congratulatations on your marriage and thank you so very much for all of your help. Sincerely Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:53 AM > > Yep. Mine is a Sensenich 72 x 42, and I get about 2275 on climbout with > it, > and cruise at 2150. Gives me about 72 mph indicated. > > Jack Phillips > (back from the honeymoon and hoping to get some Piet time this afternoon) > > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D > Cuy > Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:19 PM > > > > > Gene-- I cruise at 2150 rpm using a 72" x 42 pitch wood prop and get about > 71 mph from my A-65 in the Air Camper. > > My prop is a good combination of good climb and fair cruise speeds. I > think Jack Phillips has the same size prop if I'm not mistaken. > > Mike C. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Jul 09, 2006
Subject: Re: Fuselage lengths/ Weight & balance
Skip, That was the info I was looking for. Very helpful. Thank you Gene N502R Tennessee ----- Original Message ----- From: Skip-Cinda Gadd To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 9:02 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage lengths/ Weight & balance Hi Gene, There are 3 different fuselage lengths I know of. 1934 Orrin Hoopman, (short), Corvair, (long) and the Flying and glider, (short-short). If we look at the 1934 fuselage as the norm at 13' 7", the F&g is 2" shorter at 13'5" and the Corvair is 9 3/8" longer at 14' 4 3/8". These measurements are firewall to rudder post. Again if we use the 1934 as norm; The F&g is 2" shorter in the first bay behind the firewall with all other bays the same as the 1934. It is also 1" bigger top longeron to bottom longeron at 25", both others are 24". It is 1 1/8 shorter at the firewall at 20 3/4", and 1/8" taller at the tailpost at 11". The Corvair is 2" longer in the first bay, 2" longer in the third bay(pilot pit), 2 1/2" longer 2nd to last bay and, 2 7/8" longer in the last bay(tailpost). The steel tube supplement that came with my 1934 plans shows its length at 13'5", the same as the F&g wood fuselage. Skip, Hales Landing WV (2WV3) ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene & Tammy I read that Air Campers have been plans built with several diffferent fuselage lengths. Can anyone tell me what the lengths are and how are they measured? From Firewall to rudder post?? Gene N502R Tennessee ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Jul 09, 2006
Subject: Re: Continental A65 8F
Jack, Again thanks. I'm in the process of trying to get time to find my oil leak and as soon as I do I'm changing from Mineral oil to Aeroshell W100. I currently have just over 50 hours on the engine. Somehow sheet rocking a room is just not quite as much fun as flying a Pietenpol.. Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 9:00 AM > > Gene, > > I ran mineral oil in mine until it stopped burning oil (indicating the > rings > had seated), which was about 10 hours. It never burned mich oil (new > Millenium cylinders and new pistons and rings), but after 10 hours it quit > burning it entirely so I changed the oil at that time and have run > Aeroshell > W100 (ashless dispersant) ever since. It tends to burn a quart about > every > 25 hours now. So far I have about 80 hours on it. > > Jack Phillips > Raleigh, NC > > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gene & > Tammy > Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 9:09 AM > > > > > Anyone know for sure how many hours I should run straight mineral oil > before > I change over to Aeroshell W100, SAE50? One A&P suggested I do it now at > 50 > hours and another suggested I run mineral another 20 hours. The > continental > manual doesn't say. > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 7:45 AM > > >> >> >> Gene wrote- >> >>>I'm still using mineral oil to break in the engine. What motor oil >>>works best for you? >> >> I asked the same question some months ago, and to save you the time going >> through all the great responses I got, here's the bottom line, snipped >> from my post in the archives: >> >>>it was unanimous that the Aeroshell W100, SAE50 ashless dispersant is >>>what >>>is recommended. So let it be written... so let it be done! And to those >>>who asked, this is NOT for break-in duty. >> >> And you asked: >> >>>I'm also wondering what prop others have found to work best for them? >> >> NX41CC has a Hegy 72x42 prop on it. I believe you'll find that most of >> the people on this list flying with the A65 have a 72x42 prop. >> >> Oscar Zuniga >> San Antonio, TX >> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com >> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> http://wiki.matronics.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Date: Jul 09, 2006
Subject: Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
Mike Before deciding on the change, bring your tail up to level and check your ground clearance. Make sure that you will still have 9" clearance. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike King To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers Guys, I am considering switching my current McCauley 69x39 Metal prop to a 72x42 Wooden prop for better overall performance.....however the metal prop is heavier than wood and would result in a higher nose attitude at cruise. What would you recommend to offset the weight difference and drop the nose. Thanks for the thoughts. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: pietflyr To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:53 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers Yep. Mine is a Sensenich 72 x 42, and I get about 2275 on climbout with it, and cruise at 2150. Gives me about 72 mph indicated. Jack Phillips (back from the honeymoon and hoping to get some Piet time this afternoon) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:19 PM Gene-- I cruise at 2150 rpm using a 72" x 42 pitch wood prop and get about 71 mph from my A-65 in the Air Camper. My prop is a good combination of good climb and fair cruise speeds. I think Jack Phillips has the same size prop if I'm not mistaken. Mike C. http://www.mat==================== ========================= =====p; Email List ; ========================= ========================= nbsp; generous bsp; ========================= ================ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike King" <mikek120(at)mindspring.com>
Date: Jul 09, 2006
Subject: Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
Dick, Good idea. I noticed before when the tail was on a pair of sawhorses, that the 69" prop had plenty of clearance between the tip and the ground, but will measure for a more accurate measurement. Thanks again. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Navratil To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 11:18 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers Mike Before deciding on the change, bring your tail up to level and check your ground clearance. Make sure that you will still have 9" clearance. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike King To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers Guys, I am considering switching my current McCauley 69x39 Metal prop to a 72x42 Wooden prop for better overall performance.....however the metal prop is heavier than wood and would result in a higher nose attitude at cruise. What would you recommend to offset the weight difference and drop the nose. Thanks for the thoughts. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: pietflyr To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:53 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers Yep. Mine is a Sensenich 72 x 42, and I get about 2275 on climbout with it, and cruise at 2150. Gives me about 72 mph indicated. Jack Phillips (back from the honeymoon and hoping to get some Piet time this afternoon) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:19 PM Gene-- I cruise at 2150 rpm using a 72" x 42 pitch wood prop and get about 71 mph from my A-65 in the Air Camper. My prop is a good combination of good climb and fair cruise speeds. I think Jack Phillips has the same size prop if I'm not mistaken. Mike C. http://www.mat==================== ========================= =====p; Email List ; ========================= ========================= nbsp; generous bsp; ========================= ================ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen(at)ptialaska.net>
Date: Jul 09, 2006
Subject: Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
Jack, I can't find the original website, but did find Gary via his adv in Barnstormers. He had some nice pics of various props he's made on the website. Did right by me with my prop. Due to back orders, he didn't want to do the final sanding and varnishing and the price he quoted was low due to this, lead time was also short. But when he was about 2 weeks late on del., he called and said he had a problem with a small defect in the finish. It was a tiny pitch pocket you wouldn't know it was there unless you looked real close. He asked if I'd take the prop as is with minor defect and he'd quickly sand and varnish for free. Otherwise he was going to cut me another prop. His prices reflect either finished or not. Cheapest is right off of his duplicator, think I paid $325 with shipping, 2+years ago. The prop works and looks great. Coupled with the 112 hp currently getting out of freshly new jugged o-235, it's off the ground very fast and climbs like an elevator. Heavier engine offsets my fat carcass nicely for CG. But with lighter pilot tiny changes in power significantly changes the pitch angle of the nose, kinda like the C-182 does with it's heavy engine. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack T. Textor To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 2:33 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers Gordon, Do you have his contact info, or does he have a website? Thanks, Jack Textor I put on the 0-235 for N-1033B a 74" walnut/maple scrimatar type made by: Gary Anderson Commanche TX 325-357-2810 inexpensive and absolutely beautiful. Probably have to wait 8-10+ weeks, but worth it. Gordon Pics on other computer or I'd attach, will do so after figure out how to transfer files. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 10, 2006
Subject: Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
I am running an A-65 with a Hegy 72 X 44 prop. I get about 78-80 mph at cruise and climb about 350 fpm with me and full fuel on an 80 deg day. Not in any hurry, but I'm kinda looking for a 72 X 42 prop. The airplane seems to like the 70-75 mph range a little better so I wouldn't mind giving up the cruise for a little better climb. I'd really like a Falcon prop, so until I find someone who will let go of one, the Hegy will do. Don E. NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=46114#46114 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 10, 2006
Subject: Re: Fuselage inclination
Hello, I have the long fuselage with the split axle steel gear with 19" spoked wheels. This makes it taller than some. Luckily I have really long legs( 36" inseam ). This makes for about a 15 deg angle in the three-point. 11 to 15 degrees is quite a difference between airplanes that are basically the same. Yet all the flyers seem to describe similar landing characteristics. Mr. Pietenpol used different wheels and landing gears and from what I could find never really advised against one combination. It just shows the docile nature of the airplane and the adaptability of using what is/was available. Don E. NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=46132#46132 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0515_654.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca>
Date: Jul 10, 2006
Subject: Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
I am using a Tennessee 72 X 42 recommended by many and Tennessee props said it was the one most used on this type of aircraft.It is a real work of art and I get a lot of guddos for it!I havn't flown with it yet but from what most say about it I should get the same good performance. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch Sent: July 10, 2006 11:39 AM I am running an A-65 with a Hegy 72 X 44 prop. I get about 78-80 mph at cruise and climb about 350 fpm with me and full fuel on an 80 deg day. Not in any hurry, but I'm kinda looking for a 72 X 42 prop. The airplane seems to like the 70-75 mph range a little better so I wouldn't mind giving up the cruise for a little better climb. I'd really like a Falcon prop, so until I find someone who will let go of one, the Hegy will do. Don E. NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=46114#46114 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Date: Jul 11, 2006
Subject: Falcon wood props
Don-- I recall printing out an e-mail a number of years ago telling about who bought Falcon props from Jim and Kevin Kimball who used to make them. The outfit is in Kansas now as I recall. I have that info on file in our garage attic somewhere but the fastest route to find out who now makes the Falcon props would be to contact Jim. Jim Kimball Enterprises 407-889-3451 http://www.jimkimballenterprises.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jan and Sam Marinucci" <jansam(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jul 11, 2006
Subject: AirCamper for sale in Delaware
Fellow Pieters, It is with regret that I have to sell my project. I have an AirCamper that is all complete with the exception of covering and majoring the engine. I actually have two A65-8 Continentals, one is mounted on the plane and the other is disassembled but has four reconditioned cylinders and other new parts. A reconditioned Sensenich wooden prop ( 72x42) is also included.I've incorporated a few modifications on the plane such as a right side passenger door, a cutout in the wing center section (stole the idea from Mike Cuy) and a retracting step for easier access to the rear cockpit. A J3 fuel tank is mounted in the nose section and I have two additional J3 tanks that need some repair but are also included.The engine mount has been extended three inches for better weight and balance and the wing angled back two and a half inches for the same reason. The engine controls are all connected, as are all the instruments on the panel. The landing gear is similar to a J3 with C172 wheels tires and brakes. I used another idea from Mike's plane when making up the wing spars. The spars are built up with Douglas Fir beams and 1/4 inch web between them. I would also include with the sale the plans with the three piece wing supplement, work log, all receipts, the four Billingus books (autographed by Tony), copies of the newsletters from Grant, and a lot of other assorted materials. I also have enough 2024 aluminum (.025) to fabricate the cowling.Two gallons of nitrate dope and two gallons of nitrate thinner are included. My price is a very reasonable $4250.00 I thought I would offer it to the members of the Pietenpol discussion group first before listng it on Barnstormers . I can be contacted at jansam(at)comcast.net or (302) 697- 1786 Sam Marinucci ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CapnAvid(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 11, 2006
Subject: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator
Hey ya'll Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion Johnson airspeed indicator? I'm trying to finish out the Piet as close to a 1930 airplane as possibly and have decided the only flying instruments I need are air speed, skid ball and compass. Any comments or thoughts? Rogers Theetge (Thet key) _Capnavid(at)aol.com_ (mailto:Capnavid(at)aol.com) N. Ga Mountains ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 11, 2006
Subject: Re: Falcon wood props
Thank you very much Mike, I sent him an e-mail. By the way, did you happen to make it to the T-Craft Fly-in? I went over on Sunday morning before church. Had breakfast with Frank and then we went up and did some tight formation flying. He's pretty good at that! A real rush! Don E. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=46558#46558 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Jul 12, 2006
Subject: Re: Falcon wood props
Don, I'm looking to buy a wood prop and would be interested in learning what you find out. Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:53 PM > > Thank you very much Mike, I sent him an e-mail. By the way, did you > happen to make it to the T-Craft Fly-in? I went over on Sunday morning > before church. Had breakfast with Frank and then we went up and did some > tight formation flying. He's pretty good at that! A real rush! > Don E. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=46558#46558 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com>
Date: Jul 12, 2006
Subject: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator
You'll have a hard time getting it approved by the FAA without an Altimeter, oil or water temperature gauge and an oil pressure gauge. The skid ball is not a required instrument. The others are. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CapnAvid(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 6:04 PM Hey ya'll Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion Johnson airspeed indicator? I'm trying to finish out the Piet as close to a 1930 airplane as possibly and have decided the only flying instruments I need are air speed, skid ball and compass. Any comments or thoughts? Rogers Theetge (Thet key) Capnavid(at)aol.com N=2E Ga Mountains _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "tmbrant1(at)netzero.com" <tmbrant1(at)netzero.net>
Date: Jul 12, 2006
Subject: brodhead ride needed
Anyone from Minneapolis area flying down on Saturday with an open seat? Tom B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca>
Date: Jul 12, 2006
Subject: Re: Falcon wood props
I got a real work of art from Tennessee props 72 X 42 ,everyone who sees it said it's a real nice lookin prop.I got her for 658$ CND. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy Sent: July 12, 2006 6:57 AM Don, I'm looking to buy a wood prop and would be interested in learning what you find out. Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:53 PM > > Thank you very much Mike, I sent him an e-mail. By the way, did you > happen to make it to the T-Craft Fly-in? I went over on Sunday morning > before church. Had breakfast with Frank and then we went up and did some > tight formation flying. He's pretty good at that! A real rush! > Don E. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=46558#46558 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu>
Date: Jul 12, 2006
Subject: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator
True, but the only instrument that I ever really use is the oil pressure gauge. Everything else you can hear, feel, smell, or see. Love the pietenpol. I flew for the last 20 hours in a Stinson, and while it is a great airplane, I felt out of touch with the atmosphere. There is something magical you can feel in a steep slip when the wind is hitting you in the side of the face and you can feel the descent as air buffets the top of your head and rushes past your feet from the front cockpit. I know I'm flaring when my pant legs deflate and it gets kind of quite. If I can hear the tires squeak I've landed too fast, it's just right when it sounds like a rough rubber scrape. Liftoff is when the tail gets light and aileron pressure will lift a tire clear enough to cause a slight yaw in that direction as the friction to the pavement is lost. On grass it is even more pronounced especially if the grass hasn't been cut in a while. Cruise speed is determined by the moment you feel like there is nothing else to do but look around outside, or straight down, and when you do you have to hold your goggles tight to your face with your non-flying hand to control the buffet of the wind as you poke your head into the slipstream. The cabin heat on a cool day is the slight warmth you feel as you stick your hand out into the exhaust. You can tell exactly where that is, but it doesn't do much good since by the time you get you digits back into the cockpit they are super cooled during the journey. Direction is easy to determine without a compass. Just line up you the shadow of the tail-plane and cabanes perfectly on the back of the prop disk as you fly away from the sun. This is especially effective when the sun is just coming up in the morning or late just before sun-set. I tried spot landings Saturday afternoon. 12 in a row. I'm not very good at it yet since when the piet is out of forward energy, drag takes over and drops you on the runway. I did get one bounce and go exactly where I was aiming, but I'm not sure that counts. I'm sure that R-22 in hover on the taxiway wasn't there burning avgas just to watch. I should have conceded the runway I suppose, but I was the only one in the pattern, and surely it is big enough for two. Heck I've been of final with 3 of them at a time. Anyway he didn't seem to want to join me and finally left. My brother says we should send them a post card. It would have a picture of my piet on the front and words that say: "Merry Christmas. We're still not listening!": Radios are so over-rated. :-) Enough rambling.... Steve E ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 5:07 AM You'll have a hard time getting it approved by the FAA without an Altimeter, oil or water temperature gauge and an oil pressure gauge. The skid ball is not a required instrument. The others are. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CapnAvid(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 6:04 PM Hey ya'll Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion Johnson airspeed indicator? I'm trying to finish out the Piet as close to a 1930 airplane as possibly and have decided the only flying instruments I need are air speed, skid ball and compass. Any comments or thoughts? Rogers Theetge (Thet key) Capnavid(at)aol.com N. Ga Mountains _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com>
Date: Jul 12, 2006
Subject: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator
Yesterday after work I went to the airport to fly tmy RV-4 for the first time in 3 weeks. I had flown the Pietenpol on Sunday after we got back from the honeymoon, but didn't have time then to fly the RV. It started easily and flew as well as ever. I did a series of aileron rolls in it and thought about doing some loops, but the visibility was pretty poor (about 5 miles in haze) so I decided to practice stalls and slow flight instead. It really is a good flying airplane, with very light, well balanced controls that remain effective through the stall. I shot a few touch and goes at Sanford and then decided to head back because it was pretty warm and the cockpit ventilation is not terribly effective at low altitudes (unlike a Pietenpol). As I was putting it back in the hangar, Larry Godbold and his son were pulling their J-3 out and getting ready to go up. They said "Why not take the Pietenpol up and fly with us?" So I did. Flew formation with them over Jordan Lake at about 400' and just had a ball. Returned to the airport and found myself in the pattern with them, 2 other J-3's (one of which I didn't even know), a Cessna 170 and a Stearman. Busy times in the traffic pattern! It just doesn't get much better than that. As I put the Piet back in its hangar, it occurred to me how much more I enjoy this kind of flying than the kind represented by the RV. I mean, aerobatics is fun, and I really enjoy the utility of the RV for taking trips, but this is the kind of flying that I like for just recreation. I'm getting too old to ever do competition aerobatics, and I think it will be ideal to have the RV-10 for travel and the Pietenpol for real flying. I don't think I'll miss the RV-4 as much as I thought at one time. I'll sell the RV-4 when it comes time to buy the engine for the RV-10. I'll never sell the Pietenpol. Jack Phillips Already wishing I could go to Brodhead this year -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Eldredge Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 11:37 AM True, but the only instrument that I ever really use is the oil pressure gauge. Everything else you can hear, feel, smell, or see. Love the pietenpol. I flew for the last 20 hours in a Stinson, and while it is a great airplane, I felt out of touch with the atmosphere. There is something magical you can feel in a steep slip when the wind is hitting you in the side of the face and you can feel the descent as air buffets the top of your head and rushes past your feet from the front cockpit. I know I'm flaring when my pant legs deflate and it gets kind of quite. If I can hear the tires squeak I've landed too fast, it's just right when it sounds like a rough rubber scrape. Liftoff is when the tail gets light and aileron pressure will lift a tire clear enough to cause a slight yaw in that direction as the friction to the pavement is lost. On grass it is even more pronounced especially if the grass hasn't been cut in a while. Cruise speed is determined by the moment you feel like there is nothing else to do but look around outside, or straight down, and when you do you have to hold your goggles tight to your face with your non-flying hand to control the buffet of the wind as you poke your head into the slipstream. The cabin heat on a cool day is the slight warmth you feel as you stick your hand out into the exhaust. You can tell exactly where that is, but it doesn't do much good since by the time you get you digits back into the cockpit they are super cooled during the journey. Direction is easy to determine without a compass. Just line up you the shadow of the tail-plane and cabanes perfectly on the back of the prop disk as you fly away from the sun. This is especially effective when the sun is just coming up in the morning or late just before sun-set. I tried spot landings Saturday afternoon. 12 in a row. I'm not very good at it yet since when the piet is out of forward energy, drag takes over and drops you on the runway. I did get one bounce and go exactly where I was aiming, but I'm not sure that counts. I'm sure that R-22 in hover on the taxiway wasn't there burning avgas just to watch. I should have conceded the runway I suppose, but I was the only one in the pattern, and surely it is big enough for two. Heck I've been of final with 3 of them at a time. Anyway he didn't seem to want to join me and finally left. My brother says we should send them a post card. It would have a picture of my piet on the front and words that say: "Merry Christmas. We're still not listening!": Radios are so over-rated. :-) Enough rambling.... Steve E _____ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 5:07 AM You'll have a hard time getting it approved by the FAA without an Altimeter, oil or water temperature gauge and an oil pressure gauge. The skid ball is not a required instrument. The others are. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CapnAvid(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 6:04 PM Hey ya'll Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion Johnson airspeed indicator? I'm trying to finish out the Piet as close to a 1930 airplane as possibly and have decided the only flying instruments I need are air speed, skid ball and compass. Any comments or thoughts? Rogers Theetge (Thet key) Capnavid(at)aol.com N=2E Ga Mountains _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen(at)ptialaska.net>
Date: Jul 12, 2006
Subject: Re: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator
Even if the FAA inspector didn't fuss about flight instruments, it's a very good idea to have oil temp/pressure gauge on any plane just to monitor overheating or low pressure. On any homebuilt the issue of baffling of the engine is tricky to keep the oil below 280F, CHT is also important to get ideas where you need to install more baffling but not as important as oil temp max. You can do a lot of trial low and high speed taxi work with just monitoring the oil. Quit when oil gets about 240F, go back and cool your heels then try again. I put more stock in engine monitoring devices than I do in the flight instruments during initial trials. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 3:07 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator You'll have a hard time getting it approved by the FAA without an Altimeter, oil or water temperature gauge and an oil pressure gauge. The skid ball is not a required instrument. The others are. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CapnAvid(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 6:04 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronicscom Subject: Pietenpol-List: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator Hey ya'll Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion Johnson airspeed indicator? I'm trying to finish out the Piet as close to a 1930 airplane as possibly and have decided the only flying instruments I need are air speed, skid ball and compass. Any comments or thoughts? Rogers Theetge (Thet key) Capnavid(at)aol.com N. Ga Mountains _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 12, 2006
Subject: Chad Wille prop
Gene, I have a Chad Wille model A prop. It is beautiful and his service was right on time. I am very pleased. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu>
Date: Jul 12, 2006
Subject: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator
Atta way Jack. I'm nearly finished with the FWF on my Stinson, and I'm already looking for another project. A skybolt is calling because I want to try something with two wings lots of power and aerobatic. I may finish my bearhawk that I started 5 years ago. It is still metal parts in a box. The stinson fills that need, but doesn't have the power, or load carrying capability. A motorglider also sound like great fun, but my wife says I can't ever sell the piet. ( I have been passively looking for an 0-200 for it though.) Steve E. ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 9:53 AM Yesterday after work I went to the airport to fly tmy RV-4 for the first time in 3 weeks. I had flown the Pietenpol on Sunday after we got back from the honeymoon, but didn't have time then to fly the RV. It started easily and flew as well as ever. I did a series of aileron rolls in it and thought about doing some loops, but the visibility was pretty poor (about 5 miles in haze) so I decided to practice stalls and slow flight instead. It really is a good flying airplane, with very light, well balanced controls that remain effective through the stall. I shot a few touch and goes at Sanford and then decided to head back because it was pretty warm and the cockpit ventilation is not terribly effective at low altitudes (unlike a Pietenpol). As I was putting it back in the hangar, Larry Godbold and his son were pulling their J-3 out and getting ready to go up. They said "Why not take the Pietenpol up and fly with us?" So I did. Flew formation with them over Jordan Lake at about 400' and just had a ball. Returned to the airport and found myself in the pattern with them, 2 other J-3's (one of which I didn't even know), a Cessna 170 and a Stearman. Busy times in the traffic pattern! It just doesn't get much better than that. As I put the Piet back in its hangar, it occurred to me how much more I enjoy this kind of flying than the kind represented by the RV. I mean, aerobatics is fun, and I really enjoy the utility of the RV for taking trips, but this is the kind of flying that I like for just recreation. I'm getting too old to ever do competition aerobatics, and I think it will be ideal to have the RV-10 for travel and the Pietenpol for real flying. I don't think I'll miss the RV-4 as much as I thought at one time. I'll sell the RV-4 when it comes time to buy the engine for the RV-10. I'll never sell the Pietenpol. Jack Phillips Already wishing I could go to Brodhead this year -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Eldredge Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 11:37 AM True, but the only instrument that I ever really use is the oil pressure gauge. Everything else you can hear, feel, smell, or see. Love the pietenpol. I flew for the last 20 hours in a Stinson, and while it is a great airplane, I felt out of touch with the atmosphere. There is something magical you can feel in a steep slip when the wind is hitting you in the side of the face and you can feel the descent as air buffets the top of your head and rushes past your feet from the front cockpit. I know I'm flaring when my pant legs deflate and it gets kind of quite. If I can hear the tires squeak I've landed too fast, it's just right when it sounds like a rough rubber scrape. Liftoff is when the tail gets light and aileron pressure will lift a tire clear enough to cause a slight yaw in that direction as the friction to the pavement is lost. On grass it is even more pronounced especially if the grass hasn't been cut in a while. Cruise speed is determined by the moment you feel like there is nothing else to do but look around outside, or straight down, and when you do you have to hold your goggles tight to your face with your non-flying hand to control the buffet of the wind as you poke your head into the slipstream. The cabin heat on a cool day is the slight warmth you feel as you stick your hand out into the exhaust. You can tell exactly where that is, but it doesn't do much good since by the time you get you digits back into the cockpit they are super cooled during the journey. Direction is easy to determine without a compass. Just line up you the shadow of the tail-plane and cabanes perfectly on the back of the prop disk as you fly away from the sun. This is especially effective when the sun is just coming up in the morning or late just before sun-set. I tried spot landings Saturday afternoon. 12 in a row. I'm not very good at it yet since when the piet is out of forward energy, drag takes over and drops you on the runway. I did get one bounce and go exactly where I was aiming, but I'm not sure that counts. I'm sure that R-22 in hover on the taxiway wasn't there burning avgas just to watch. I should have conceded the runway I suppose, but I was the only one in the pattern, and surely it is big enough for two. Heck I've been of final with 3 of them at a time. Anyway he didn't seem to want to join me and finally left. My brother says we should send them a post card. It would have a picture of my piet on the front and words that say: "Merry Christmas. We're still not listening!": Radios are so over-rated. :-) Enough rambling.... Steve E ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 5:07 AM You'll have a hard time getting it approved by the FAA without an Altimeter, oil or water temperature gauge and an oil pressure gauge. The skid ball is not a required instrument. The others are. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CapnAvid(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 6:04 PM Hey ya'll Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion Johnson airspeed indicator? I'm trying to finish out the Piet as close to a 1930 airplane as possibly and have decided the only flying instruments I need are air speed, skid ball and compass. Any comments or thoughts? Rogers Theetge (Thet key) Capnavid(at)aol.com N. 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From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 12, 2006
Subject: johnson airspeed
Rogers, HI, I too am doing a barebones piet and am using a windvane type indicator. I did some web searching and came up with some good photos, then was able to borrow one from Old Rhinebeck for measuring, so I've got drawings. they are occassionally available in batches by various guys but they're really expensive. I could send you my measurements if you want. I'm making a WWI type strut mounted anemometer airspeed indicator reproduction which will be really cool. LIttle spiining brass cups on top of a hourglass shaped aluminum housing with a dial on front facing the cockpit. I"m going to use one on mine, but they'll be awefully expensive for your average piet, and way overkill. The johnson is definately the way to go. Regarding instruments, remember the FAA dictates mininum instrumentation, so you'll need oil pressure and temp, or water temp, magnetic heading indicator (compass) airspeed of some sort, and altitude. slip indicator is not mandatory legally. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 12, 2006
Subject: Re: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator
Steve & Jack hit the nail on the head !! I'll NEVER sell my Piet...although you can see my next project on my web site at http://nx770cg.com/NextProjectTailwind.html I've been spending a lot of time on the Tailwind lately, at the cost of flying the Piet. That's a big reason I'm really looking forward to the flight to Brodhead next week. See y'all at Brodhead !! Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "jimboyer(at)hughes.net" <jimboyer(at)hughes.net>
Date: Jul 12, 2006
Subject: Re: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator
Chuck, you are making great progress on the tailwind. How long have you been working on it? You are too productive. Cheers, Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 13, 2006
Subject: Next project - Wittman Tailwind W10
In a message dated 7/12/2006 5:30:40 PM Central Standard Time, jimboyer(at)hughes.net writes: Chuck, you are making great progress on the tailwind. How long have you been working on it? You are too productive. Cheers, Jim Jim, I more or less committed to the Tailwind W10 project, soon after I finished construction on the Piet, in early '02. I had a serious case of 'Builders Withdraw'. Time spent on it has been on & off till about a month ago, and I really started spending a lot of time on the fuselage. The Tailwind is All About SPEED !! On 150 hp, they typically cruise around 180 mph, and can easily go over 200 mph !! I'm planning on a 'Glass Panel', too. Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Jul 13, 2006
Subject: Props
Thanks to all that responded to my questions reguarding props.. I'm considering a 74X38. I was told by a prop maker/Pietenpol builder/flyer that the 74/38 in front of a Cont. A65 would be my best choice. It would give me much better climb but not do much to increase speed. I'm a low and slow flyer, so I'm not concerned about increasing my speed, but really wish to increase my rate of climb. Anyone using the 74X38 with a Cont. A65? Any input anyone? Gene N502R Tennessee ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 13, 2006
Subject: Johnson airspeed indicator
Rogers asked- >Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion >Johnson airspeed indicator? Nobody really answered his question. I asked the same question a while back and someone very promptly sent me two close-up photos of their Johnson setup (one static, one in flight) but I don't remember who it was (black wing struts, yellow wings). Probably Chuck "Baby Oil" Gantzer or Ed Grentzer. I would be glad to send out those photos to anyone who wants them; you could easily build one just like it by eyeball, along with this narrative info found in the archives: ============= >It uses a .047" music wire, with 2 1/2 coils, and has a leg that is bent >perpendicular to >lock the coil from rotating, and is inserted into the back plate. The coil >is 3/4" in diameter >and is spaced off the backing plate with a threaded thru bushing that is >3/8" long. >From the center of the coil, to the tip of the pointer, is 7". The bushing >that is in the >center of the coil is 3/8" diameter and is about 3/32" long. The bolt is >about a #6, >and on each side of the coil is a plastic washer that is 7/8" O.D. The >coil and pivot point >is covered with a molded plastic teardrop shape fairing, and has a slot cut >for the pointer >to travel in. The sweep of the arc is 70. The backing plate with the >indicator markings >is .040 aluminum, probably 2024. The numbers are 20 thru 90 mph. The >angle plate >that the relative wind pushes against is 1 1/4" X 2 1/8" X .030" thick, >with the pointer >is on the 3/8" leg of this angle, which is next to the backing plate. To >attach the >music wire to the angle plate, it has a small aluminum block that measures >1/4" X 1/4" >X 3/4". The .040" wire is drilled thru length wise, and has two #2 (or >smaller) set screws >to secure the plate, wire, and block. ================ Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Date: Jul 13, 2006
Subject: Johnson Airspeed Ind.
Kerri Ann Price made and sold them several years ago. Don't know if he is still selling them or how to get hold of him anymore. I loaned mine to "Smoken Chuck" to look at. I need to get over there and pick it up before it ends up on the Tailwind! Last year there was a big discussion about the high cost of gas just before Brodhead. It was only $2.15! I thought it may be my last road trip. This year i'm going at nearly $3.00 a gal! go figure. See y"all at Brodhead Leon S. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "jimboyer(at)hughes.net" <jimboyer(at)hughes.net>
Date: Jul 13, 2006
Subject: Re: Next project - Wittman Tailwind W10
Hi Chuck, I can understand the builders withdrawal sypmtoms. after you have worked on something for several years and enjoyed it; its hard not to have somehing to work on. What was your thinking on picking the Wittman tailwind versus some of the newer designs using composite construction? I know it is very fast for the power as a local friend, Art Beer, had one for a long time, but it seems to require a lot more effort than some of the newer designs. Also since Steve had a proven Olds/Buick V8 conversion why are you using a Lycoming (probably the obvious that you had it). Your workmanship from what I can see in the photos really looks good Chuck. You are an inspiration to the rest of us. Cheers, Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 13, 2006
Subject: Re: Johnson airspeed indicator
In a message dated 7/13/2006 8:17:46 AM Central Standard Time, taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes: Rogers asked- >Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion >Johnson airspeed indicator? Nobody really answered his question. I asked the same question a while back and someone very promptly sent me two close-up photos of their Johnson setup (one static, one in flight) but I don't remember who it was (black wing struts, yellow wings). Probably Chuck "Baby Oil" Gantzer or Ed Grentzer. I would be glad to send out those photos to anyone who wants them; you could easily build one just like it by eyeball, along with this narrative info found in the archives: ============= >It uses a .047" music wire, with 2 1/2 coils, and has a leg that is bent >perpendicular to >lock the coil from rotating, and is inserted into the back plate. The coil >is 3/4" in diameter >and is spaced off the backing plate with a threaded thru bushing that is >3/8" long. >From the center of the coil, to the tip of the pointer, is 7". The bushing >that is in the >center of the coil is 3/8" diameter and is about 3/32" long. The bolt is >about a #6, >and on each side of the coil is a plastic washer that is 7/8" O.D. The >coil and pivot point >is covered with a molded plastic teardrop shape fairing, and has a slot cut >for the pointer >to travel in. The sweep of the arc is 70. The backing plate with the >indicator markings >is .040 aluminum, probably 2024. The numbers are 20 thru 90 mph. The >angle plate >that the relative wind pushes against is 1 1/4" X 2 1/8" X .030" thick, >with the pointer >is on the 3/8" leg of this angle, which is next to the backing plate. To >attach the >music wire to the angle plate, it has a small aluminum block that measures >1/4" X 1/4" >X 3/4". The .040" wire is drilled thru length wise, and has two #2 (or >smaller) set screws >to secure the plate, wire, and block. ================ Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net Oscar, Yes, that was my text reply, because I took all those measurements from the one I borrowed from Leon S. I don't think I sent the pictures, though, because I didn't complete the one I was building...Oh well...I'll git 'er done one of these days. Leon, I've still got it here, in the package it came in. Don't worry, it won't end up on the Tailwind...way too much Drag !! The Tailwind is All about EFFICIENCY...Speed is a by-product. Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 13, 2006
Subject: Re: Next project - Wittman Tailwind W10
In a message dated 7/13/2006 12:00:13 PM Central Standard Time, kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com writes: Chuck.... Have you discussed this project with all of us out here? It is very hard to watch one stray from the "only" plane made for fun and true spirit of flying...However, maybe we should have a vote to see if you have permission to stray from the group on this new venture......tee-hee-hee Well, ya know, I've toiled over that very thought. The Tailwind has been Top Secret for years now, for that very reason...but now the cat's out of the bag !! No Worry, in an effort to get the groups permission for this next project, I'm not straying from the 'Low & Slow'. And besides, the Tailwind IS a 'Scratch Built Plane'. And also besides that, Everybody needs to have Two airplanes !! Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 13, 2006
Subject: Re: Next project - Wittman Tailwind W10
In a message dated 7/13/2006 4:24:50 PM Central Standard Time, jimboyer(at)hughes.net writes: What was your thinking on picking the Wittman tailwind versus some of the newer designs using composite construction? I know it is very fast for the power as a local friend, Art Beer, had one for a long time, but it seems to require a lot more effort than some of the newer designs. Also since Steve had a proven Olds/Buick V8 conversion why are you using a Lycoming (probably the obvious that you had it). I was looking for a Fast, Economical, Scratch Built Plane. It came down to a Long EZ and the Tailwind. The Wittman Tailwind W10 fit the bill this time, but the Long EZ is going to be my next project after the Tailwind. The 'Fast Glass' planes today, are almost all Kit Planes, and I'm just not a kit builder. Before I built the Pietenpol, I designed and scratch built several very unique Radio Control Airplanes. In fact, that's where I got my screen name from...R C A P R D - Radio Controlled Air Plane Research & Development. My ol' R.C. flying buddies nicknamed me 'RD'. I would keep them entertained with some of the crazy things I brought to the field for test flights !! I still have two of them hanging from the ceiling here in my house. Steve Wittman did a tremendous amount of work to get the 215 - 265 C.I.D. Aluminum Block Inverted Olds engine to a point where it was reliable, and very few people have done it since him. There is a picture in Wittman's hanger of a bunch of guys, two of which are Bernard H. Pietenpol, Steve Wittman, as well as some other very notable characters from that time period. Bernard and Steve had very similar design philosophy's - Build it Light and Simple. They just operated at different ends of the Speed Spectrum. The Lycoming O-320 is the engine of choice for many of today's Tailwinds, and RV's because of it's reliability, and dependability. It was probably the best engine that Lycoming has ever built. I just hope I can get this Tailwind flying before Jack P. sells his RV4, which has the exact same engine I have for the Tailwind. Ya see...I bet him a Beer, that I could pass him up !!! :) Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen(at)ptialaska.net>
Date: Jul 13, 2006
Subject: Re: Next project - Wittman Tailwind W10
Chuck, LongE plans are no longer sold by RAF, but there's plenty of good partially done stuff that occasionally shows up on E-bay, virgin set of plans with serial no. sold on Ebay year or so ago for $1500. Couple years ago, I found a partial Tailwind on E-Bay, considered it strongly instead of last Osprey project, but couldn't fit.. Re composite planes with plans, the Cozy plans are still available. Builds just like the LE but bigger and can take 0-360. Nice thing about these plans modified by Puffer from the original Rutan LE plans, is anyone who's built or worked on building other planes can actually follow the plans step by step and actually build the darn thing, unlike the plans for the Osprey and some others. Terrific support for canard-pushers via newsletters from Central States Aviators group out of Cleveland and also the canardaviators group on yahoo. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Next project - Wittman Tailwind W10 In a message dated 7/13/2006 4:24:50 PM Central Standard Time, jimboyer(at)hughes.net writes: What was your thinking on picking the Wittman tailwind versus some of the newer designs using composite construction? I know it is very fast for the power as a local friend, Art Beer, had one for a long time, but it seems to require a lot more effort than some of the newer designs. Also since Steve had a proven Olds/Buick V8 conversion why are you using a Lycoming (probably the obvious that you had it). I was looking for a Fast, Economical, Scratch Built Plane. It came down to a Long EZ and the Tailwind. The Wittman Tailwind W10 fit the bill this time, but the Long EZ is going to be my next project after the Tailwind. The 'Fast Glass' planes today, are almost all Kit Planes, and I'm just not a kit builder. Before I built the Pietenpol, I designed and scratch built several very unique Radio Control Airplanes. In fact, that's where I got my screen name from...R C A P R D - Radio Controlled Air Plane Research & Development. My ol' R.C. flying buddies nicknamed me 'RD'. I would keep them entertained with some of the crazy things I brought to the field for test flights !! I still have two of them hanging from the ceiling here in my house. Steve Wittman did a tremendous amount of work to get the 215 - 265 C.I.D. Aluminum Block Inverted Olds engine to a point where it was reliable, and very few people have done it since him. There is a picture in Wittman's hanger of a bunch of guys, two of which are Bernard H. Pietenpol, Steve Wittman, as well as some other very notable characters from that time period. Bernard and Steve had very similar design philosophy's - Build it Light and Simple. They just operated at different ends of the Speed Spectrum. The Lycoming O-320 is the engine of choice for many of today's Tailwinds, and RV's because of it's reliability, and dependability. It was probably the best engine that Lycoming has ever built. I just hope I can get this Tailwind flying before Jack P. sells his RV4, which has the exact same engine I have for the Tailwind. Ya see...I bet him a Beer, that I could pass him up !!! :) Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <lnawms(at)fuse.net>
Date: Jul 14, 2006
Subject: flying to B'head
I thought it might be fun to count noses as time gets closer as to how many Pietenpols (and similiarly configured aircraft) will be flying to C37 for the reunion. I know that there are several that don't have computers who will show up, so those will be bonuses. I'll be coming in from CVG if the weather is good, I don't break a prop or barf my engine, and all the joints hold up (mine and the airplane's). My plan on leaving from Brodhead is to head to my new home field in Arkansas. Seems like there are enough new Piets flying this year to make it a really big show! Larry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Sayre, William G" <william.g.sayre(at)boeing.com>
Date: Jul 14, 2006
Subject: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator
For a store-bought source see... http://www.science-city.com/jodewest.html ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu>
Date: Jul 14, 2006
Subject: Brodhead Buzz
Well, it is getting down to the wire, I'm not going this year. I just can't break away till this stinson is done! I'm about ready to engine start, but I'm waiting on the FAA to let me install a non-PMA'ed part for my oil filter system. It just kills me going certified, after the freedom of amateur built. Have a great trip and take some pictures for me. Lets get together and swap rides after you get back! Steve Eldredge Brigham Young University Chief Engineer Mass Storage and Servers 801-422-7130 steve(at)byu.edu -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dog67(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 9:04 PM Steve - I have an empty seat in a glastar, if you want a ride to Brodhead. Just have to leave earlier that week :) Cheers jon apfelbaum ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)mn.rr.com>
Date: Jul 14, 2006
Subject: Re: flying to B'head
NX18235 is planning to be there. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 8:09 AM > > I thought it might be fun to count noses as time gets closer as to how > many Pietenpols (and similiarly configured aircraft) will be flying to C37 > for the reunion. > > I know that there are several that don't have computers who will show up, > so those will be bonuses. > > I'll be coming in from CVG if the weather is good, I don't break a prop or > barf my engine, and all the joints hold up (mine and the airplane's). My > plan on leaving from Brodhead is to head to my new home field in Arkansas. > > Seems like there are enough new Piets flying this year to make it a really > big show! > > Larry > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dog67(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 14, 2006
Subject: Re: Brodhead Buzz
Sounds good Steve E - Will do. For the larger group - since this is my first time flying into Brodhead - any rules, suggestions, patterns etc? I'm flying a Glastar See you there Cheers Jon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Date: Jul 14, 2006
Subject: Re: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator
Here's an original DeHaviland one and the Johnson. I've made two after the DeHaviland style but they're not calibrated yet. There's one I've seen on an older Piet that I believe is in a museum somewhere that had a turtle and a rabbit for speed indication. Clif Hey ya'll Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion Johnson airspeed indicator? Rogers Theetge (Thet key) Capnavid(at)aol.com N. Ga Mountains ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Skip-Cinda Gadd" <csfog(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 14, 2006
Subject: Re: Brodhead Buzz
Hi Jon, Lots of airplanes without radios, keep your eyes open and head on a swivel. Skip ----- Original Message ----- my first time flying into Brodhead - any rules, suggestions, patterns etc? I'm flying a Glastar See you there Cheers Jon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Date: Jul 15, 2006
Subject: Them's the brakes
Brakes anyone? :-) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Date: Jul 15, 2006
Subject: Model A radiator
Duewe, did you ever order the radiator? If so, and you have room in the camper would you bring it if its not too much trouble. I'd like to see it. Leon S. In Brodhead Thur. pm. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <GeneRambo(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 15, 2006
Subject: Re: Model A radiator
I have been talking to Forrest Lovely about making a run of radiators. He needs one or two more orders to make a run of them. They are the beautiful brass ones. Anyone else want to commit to getting one made by him?? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Leon Stefan<mailto:lshutks(at)webtv.net> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 7:05 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A radiator lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Duewe, did you ever order the radiator? If so, and you have room in the camper would you bring it if its not too much trouble. I'd like to see it. Leon S. In Brodhead Thur. pm. ========================= ========== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> ========================= ========== ========================= ========== http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ========================= ========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 15, 2006
Subject: Re: flying to B'head
I'll be leaving Wednesday or Thursday, probably get there Thursday or Friday. Route will be either the North side of Kansas City, or the South side...hafta wait to see which way the wind is blowing. I still don't know what my Absolute Ceiling is, so on one of the legs I'm going to bundle up, and climb as high as the cold will let me...but not too close to the sun !! Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 15, 2006
Subject: Re: Model A radiator
Hi guys, I called Forrest about 6 weeks ago and ordered one too. He said mine was the third one and he needed a total of four to be able to start on them in the fall. Anybody else interested? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Date: Jul 15, 2006
Subject: Re: flying to B'head
I'm planning on flying NX2RN, hopefully on Thur, but maybe on Fri. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 8:09 AM > > I thought it might be fun to count noses as time gets closer as to how > many Pietenpols (and similiarly configured aircraft) will be flying to C37 > for the reunion. > > I know that there are several that don't have computers who will show up, > so those will be bonuses. > > I'll be coming in from CVG if the weather is good, I don't break a prop or > barf my engine, and all the joints hold up (mine and the airplane's). My > plan on leaving from Brodhead is to head to my new home field in Arkansas. > > Seems like there are enough new Piets flying this year to make it a really > big show! > > Larry > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Conkling" <hpvs(at)southwind.net>
Date: Jul 15, 2006
Subject: Re: Johnson airspeed indicator
Add this with Oscar's info on the Johnson A/S & you should be able to make it! Now, to find the drawing for that Mach meter for Chuck G.!! Mike C. Pretty Prairie, KS ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 8:13 AM > > Rogers asked- > > >Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion > >Johnson airspeed indicator? > > Nobody really answered his question. I asked the same question a while back > and someone very promptly sent me two close-up photos of their Johnson setup > (one static, one in flight) but I don't remember who it was (black wing > struts, yellow wings). Probably Chuck "Baby Oil" Gantzer or Ed Grentzer. I > would be glad to send out those photos to anyone who wants them; you could > easily build one just like it by eyeball, along with this narrative info > found in the archives: > ============= > >It uses a .047" music wire, with 2 1/2 coils, and has a leg that is bent > >perpendicular to > >lock the coil from rotating, and is inserted into the back plate. The coil > >is 3/4" in diameter > >and is spaced off the backing plate with a threaded thru bushing that is > >3/8" long. > >From the center of the coil, to the tip of the pointer, is 7". The bushing > >that is in the > >center of the coil is 3/8" diameter and is about 3/32" long. The bolt is > >about a #6, > >and on each side of the coil is a plastic washer that is 7/8" O.D. The > >coil and pivot point > >is covered with a molded plastic teardrop shape fairing, and has a slot cut > >for the pointer > >to travel in. The sweep of the arc is 70. The backing plate with the > >indicator markings > >is .040 aluminum, probably 2024. The numbers are 20 thru 90 mph. The > >angle plate > >that the relative wind pushes against is 1 1/4" X 2 1/8" X .030" thick, > >with the pointer > >is on the 3/8" leg of this angle, which is next to the backing plate. To > >attach the > >music wire to the angle plate, it has a small aluminum block that measures > >1/4" X 1/4" > >X 3/4". The .040" wire is drilled thru length wise, and has two #2 (or > >smaller) set screws > >to secure the plate, wire, and block. > ================ > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Date: Jul 15, 2006
Subject: brakes
Brakes anyone? Just tip it with a disk brake pad! :-) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TBYH(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 16, 2006
Subject: Radiators
What does Forest charge for one of his radiators? I don't need one yet, but eventually....might as well strike while the fire is hot. How much do his radiators weigh? Will see you all next weekend at Brodhead...Jane (my really better half) and I are driving down from La Crosse Friday afternoon. Normally I'd camp but Jane is not a camper so we're going to stay in Monroe, 8 miles west. 100 degrees in La Crosse today -- am staying in the cool basement working on the Piet! Fred B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Date: Jul 16, 2006
Subject: Radiators
Those copper-brass F. Lovely radiators are beautiful but are going to come in at around 18-20 lbs. an aluminum radiator wil be around 5 or so. I had planned to use one from a VW Golf which weighs 4 lbs. The only problem is it dowsn't have a filler cap on the top, so I'll have to put on one of those Rotax expansion tanks. Leon S. Nickerson Ks. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 16, 2006
Subject: Radiators
Hi Mike, Forrest wants $500.00 for his radiators. He said the price of brass has skyrocketed as of late. I am going to bite the bullet and get one. They are just so pretty. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Date: Jul 17, 2006
Subject: Red plane
First Piet I've ever seen at Arlington! But wait! It's a Grega! :-) I did pretty good at the flymarket this year, a stromberg NAS3 carb, 14 3" pulleys ( 10 usable) $10, Scott tailwheel $40, Good altimeter $40, and some cheap misc stuff. Paul Allen opened up his collection of warbirds for $10. Jenny, Storch, Polekov, Russian Bipe, early P-40, Hellcat, P-47, 109, V-1, piloted V-1!, and a Polish squadron Spit. Well worth sleeping in my truck for 3 nights. :-) Clif "I'd rather go out in a decent crack-up than in a hospital." http://tonionley.com/flash_go.html He did too! Heart attack while doing touch and go's on the Fraser River at 76 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: " jbfjr" <jbfjr(at)ev1.net>
Date: Jul 17, 2006
Subject: Head start on a GN-1
If anyone is considering building a GN-1, this looks like a good deal to get a quick start PLUS save some $$. Ad is dated July 16th. http://www.barnstormers.com/Experimental,%20Pietenpol% 20Classifieds.htm?PHPSESSID=10f9cfd7361072d8b8 Regards, John Franklin GN-1 Aircamper 164cid Corvair Richmond, TX ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <GeneRambo(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 17, 2006
Subject: Re: Radiators
Let's see if we can get on Forrest to build them. Every time I have asked him for a couple of years he says he needs orders. I am definitely in!! Gene Rambo ----- Original Message ----- From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com<mailto:HelsperSew(at)aol.com> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 4:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Radiators Hi Mike, Forrest wants $500.00 for his radiators. He said the price of brass has skyrocketed as of late. I am going to bite the bullet and get one. They are just so pretty. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Case" <dav3xor(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 17, 2006
Subject: Brodhead Camping.
If I am going to camp at the Brodhead airfield, should I contact anyone beforehand? Will probably camp thursday night -- I hope that's ok? Oh! and will the 'Last Original' style fiberglass cowling be there to take a look at? I have some money burning a hole in my pocket. -- David Case Dav3xor(at)gmail.com www.builddiary.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Ford" <Jford(at)indstate.edu>
Date: Jul 17, 2006
Subject: Re: Brodhead Camping.
David, My experience has been that no advance notice is neccesary. Put your $10 in the coffee can and stake out a spot under the trees... John John Ford john(at)indstate.edu 812-237-8542 "Well...if you can't believe what you read in comic books then what CAN you believe?" - Bullwinkle J Moose *************************************************************************** This email, and any attachments, thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. *************************************************************************** >>> dav3xor(at)gmail.com Monday, July 17, 2006 12:29 PM >>> If I am going to camp at the Brodhead airfield, should I contact anyone beforehand? Will probably camp thursday night -- I hope that's ok? Oh! and will the 'Last Original' style fiberglass cowling be there to take a look at? I have some money burning a hole in my pocket. -- David Case Dav3xor(at)gmail.com www.builddiary.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Date: Jul 17, 2006
Subject: Brodhead Camping.
That will be no problem David. No need to contact them prior. For more "action" camp by the hangars, for more seclusion camp across the field in the trees. The bugs ate me alive there one year. I hope to get there by 6:00PM Friday. Jack Textor If I am going to camp at the Brodhead airfield, should I contact anyone beforehand? Will probably camp thursday night -- I hope that's ok? Oh! and will the 'Last Original' style fiberglass cowling be there to take a look at? I have some money burning a hole in my pocket. -- David Case Dav3xor(at)gmail.com www.builddiary.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Date: Jul 17, 2006
Subject: Brodhead Camping.
David, I should clear up my statement, for more action camp by the close hangars and registration area, not the large group of T hangers across the field. Jack Textor ________________________________________________________________________________
From: R Matt Doody <rmattd123(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 17, 2006
Subject: Brodhead Camping.
Jack, I think I emailed you about your Piet sometime back. Is it a yellow one with a bunch of neet mods? Are you going to fly it to Brodhead? Thanks the heads up on camping. Driving from Witchita, Ks. Matt "Jack T. Textor" wrote: David, I should clear up my statement, for more action camp by the close hangars and registration area, not the large group of T hangers across the field. Jack Textor --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 17, 2006
Subject: Have a safe trip
I will be sleeping in the back of my truck. I bought a battery powered fan in the camping section at Farm N" Fleet. It has foam blades and will run for 20 hours on 6 D cells. Maybe this will at least evaporate some of the sweat that will be pooling on my chest! Hey, I just thought of something- freeze some huge blocks of ice and have the fan breeze "waft" over it on its way over to by body. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Date: Jul 17, 2006
Subject: Dan from Poplar Grove
If it was anything like last year when Jack Phillips and I landed at your airport for fuel just before flying into Brodhead (about 91 F) you might need a few bags of ice for your Farm N' Fleet fan in the back of your truck, eh ? Last year the only time I was dry was a few miliseconds between drying off after my shower and then starting to sweat again but for some reason (perhaps like a woman regarding childbirth) I crave going back each year to smell like bug spray, sweat like a pig, feel like a wrung out washrag and just enjoy the daylights out of myself. A sick, sick, bunch we all are (and proud of it:) Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Skip-Cinda Gadd" <csfog(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 17, 2006
Subject: Dan from Poplar Grove
Checked the 10 day forcast on wx.com. Friday Hi and Lo 78/58. Saturday 80/61. 20% chance rain both days. Maybe we will luck out this year. Skip ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca>
Date: Jul 18, 2006
Subject: Have a safe trip
Having a fan blow directly on you quickly dehydrates the body;drink plenty of liquids.Beer will do!Good excuse to drink beer eh! ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of HelsperSew(at)aol.com Sent: July 17, 2006 5:38 PM I will be sleeping in the back of my truck. I bought a battery powered fan in the camping section at Farm N" Fleet. It has foam blades and will run for 20 hours on 6 D cells. Maybe this will at least evaporate some of the sweat that will be pooling on my chest! Hey, I just thought of something- freeze some huge blocks of ice and have the fan breeze "waft" over it on its way over to by body. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 18, 2006
Subject: Brodhead
Hello Group, My name is Shad Bell, Gary Bell's son, and just wondering if anyone would like to meet up in Ohio, Indiana, or Illinois and fly in to brodhead as a group. Dad and I plan on leaving Delaware Ohio in the early morning on friday. Our planned route is more or less following route 30 accross In, IL and around the west side of Rockford. Our first stop should be Van Wert in N/W Ohio then on west. We just finnished our 40 hr test phase and so far no problems except the oil presure gauge leaking into the face of the instrument. Don't buy Faris brand engine gauges both the oil temp and pressure gauges have been replaced. The oil temp did not even last untill the 1st flight, the pressure gauge started leaking around 40 hrs. Any way hope to see you all at Brodhead.\ Shad Bell --------------------------------- See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 18, 2006
Subject: Re: Dan from Poplar Grove
In a message dated 7/17/2006 6:52:14 PM Central Standard Time, csfog(at)earthlink.net writes: Checked the 10 day forcast on wx.com. Friday Hi and Lo 78/58. Saturday 80/61. 20% chance rain both days. Maybe we will luck out this year. Skip That sounds Great !! It was over 110=BA here in Wichita, today. Tomorrow i s supposed to be a few degrees hotter. Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 18, 2006
Subject: World Aeronautical Charts
I'm doing a project in my hanger, and I need more WAC's. I want to have the entire Continental United States on one wall of the hanger, but the wall isn't big enough for the Sectional Charts, so I need more of the outdated WAC's. Does anyone know where I can get these outdated charts, or perhaps someone has some they could swap for a ride at Brodhead ? I need two each, of the 4 charts across the North, and the 2 on the East Coast. Chuck G. NX770CG tomorrow, I'm going to do a very thourough inspection, do a hop around the patch, weigh and pack the gear, and top off the fuel tanks. Gear up, crack o' dawn Thursday...or maybe crack o' 10am...weather is lookin' Good !! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark Blackwell" <markb1958(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jul 18, 2006
Subject: Re: World Aeronautical Charts
Just go to any chart dealer and tell them you want the outdated ones for a project that does not use them for navigation purposes. Explain what you want to do with them. When the charts expire to get credit for the ones that were unsold, they have to cut a portion of the label off and send that part back. The rest they throw away, for which you would be happy to do for them. Lots of places would likely help you out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: World Aeronautical Charts I'm doing a project in my hanger, and I need more WAC's. I want to have the entire Continental United States on one wall of the hanger, but the wall isn't big enough for the Sectional Charts, so I need more of the outdated WAC's. Does anyone know where I can get these outdated charts, or perhaps someone has some they could swap for a ride at Brodhead ? I need two each, of the 4 charts across the North, and the 2 on the East Coast. Chuck G. NX770CG tomorrow, I'm going to do a very thourough inspection, do a hop around the patch, weigh and pack the gear, and top off the fuel tanks. Gear up, crack o' dawn Thursday...or maybe crack o' 10am...weather is lookin' Good !! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Skip-Cinda Gadd" <csfog(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 18, 2006
Subject: World Aeronautical Charts
Chuck, I will bring CF-17, CF-18, CG-21, and CH-23. We are leaving tomorrow morning, early. See you there. Skip ----- Original Message ----- Sent: 7/18/2006 5:57:44 PM I'm doing a project in my hanger, and I need more WAC's. I want to have the entire Continental United States on one wall of the hanger, but the wall isn't big enough for the Sectional Charts, so I need more of the outdated WAC's. Does anyone know where I can get these outdated charts, or perhaps someone has some they could swap for a ride at Brodhead ? I need two each, of the 4 charts across the North, and the 2 on the East Coast. Chuck G. NX770CG tomorrow, I'm going to do a very thourough inspection, do a hop around the patch, weigh and pack the gear, and top off the fuel tanks. Gear up, crack o' dawn Thursday...or maybe crack o' 10am...weather is lookin' Good !! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 18, 2006
Subject: Getting ready for Brodhead
Hello all, I've got Dad's piet in my hanger here at the house trying to get it ready for the 400 mile trip to Brodhead on friday, He is on the road and won't be home untill Thursday night. We decided to tighten up the "X" brace cables on the L/H lift struts last sunday when the airplane was flying hands off and we ended up making it right wing heavy. So now I get to adjust and saftywire the turnbuckles then test fly and hopefully not have to waist too much time cutting off safties and re-addjusting turnbuckles over and over. (should have left them alone, hind sight is 20/20). The weather should be nice enough tommorow to test fly but I ran out of 0.040" safty wire so I have to get some more in the morning. Well it is time for bed... to all a good night and let visions of pietenpols dance in your heads. Shad --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Date: Jul 19, 2006
Subject: World Aeronautical Charts
Chuck, I have papered two offices; it's like hanging toilet paper! Will share some tips at Brodhead. I got my charts from www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com/> . He was associated with the RV list and very helpful. He used to give "free" expired charts until he received complaints because he didn't have certain charts. I ordered almost two complete sets and he threw in all the expired charts he had. I will check to see if I have any left-over. Look forward to meeting at Brodhead...Don't forget to save me a construction video...Thanks! Jack Textor Des Moines Chuck, I will bring CF-17, CF-18, CG-21, and CH-23. We are leaving tomorrow morning, early. See you there. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: <mailto:Rcaprd(at)aol.com> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: 7/18/2006 5:57:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: World Aeronautical Charts I'm doing a project in my hanger, and I need more WAC's. I want to have the entire Continental United States on one wall of the hanger, but the wall isn't big enough for the Sectional Charts, so I need more of the outdated WAC's. Does anyone know where I can get these outdated charts, or perhaps someone has some they could swap for a ride at Brodhead ? I need two each, of the 4 charts across the North, and the 2 on the East Coast. Chuck G. NX770CG tomorrow, I'm going to do a very thourough inspection, do a hop around the patch, weigh and pack the gear, and top off the fuel tanks. Gear up, crack o' dawn Thursday...or maybe crack o' 10am...weather is lookin' Good !! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 19, 2006
Subject: brake job
It's been so slow on the list lately that I thought I'd go ahead and post some info on my brakes. As I mentioned, they are off a Cessna 172 and had life left on the linings, but one of the linings cracked somewhere along the line so I decided to proceed with replacement. There are two tools available to remove the old rivets and set new ones... a hammer-powered one and one with a screw press. Our EAA Chapter 35 happened to have the hammer-driven one in its tool chest so I used that one. It went very quickly and easily. One punch drives out the old rivets to release the worn linings, then a different punch and set are used to head the hollow end and back up the rivet head inside the pocket in the brake lining. Very painless. One little improvement with these new Rapco linings is that they are now made with a wear indicator... a simple notch in one edge of the lining, approximately half the depth of the lining. When it's worn down to where you can't see the notch anymore, you should be thinking about replacing the linings. According to the Rapco website and instructions, break-in of the new linings consists of a moderate taxi and application of brakes (there will be very little braking action at first), followed by a cool-down and another moderate taxi with braking. I will try this taxi testing and brake lining break-in soon. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Waytogopiet(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 19, 2006
Subject: Pietenpol for sale
Hello, My husband Don Hicks passed away saturday the 15th of July. He had finished building a Pietenpol and had put around 3+ hours in the air. I need to sell this plane and would appreciate any assistance from you that know this plane. Please contact me on Hixplace(at)aol.com or call me at : 334-348-2422. Thanks so very much Clara Hicks. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Date: Jul 19, 2006
Subject: Re: Pietenpol for sale
Guys-- I corresponded w/ Don several times offline and am very sorry to hear of his loss and our hearts go out to you, Clara. Here is a photo of Don's plane. I have about 5 more in case anyone would like to see it...all before cover. Mike Cuy Ohio >Hello, My husband Don Hicks passed away saturday the 15th of July. He >had finished building a Pietenpol and had put around 3+ hours in the >air. I need to sell this plane and would appreciate any assistance from >you that know this plane. Please contact me on >Hixplace(at)aol.com or call me at : >334-348-2422. Thanks so very much Clara Hicks. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca>
Date: Jul 19, 2006
Subject: Pietenpol for sale
Sorry to hear this news. ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Waytogopiet(at)aol.com Sent: July 19, 2006 11:19 AM Hello, My husband Don Hicks passed away saturday the 15th of July. He had finished building a Pietenpol and had put around 3+ hours in the air. I need to sell this plane and would appreciate any assistance from you that know this plane. Please contact me on Hixplace(at)aol.com or call me at : 334-348-2422. Thanks so very much Clara Hicks. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: kmordecai001(at)comcast.net
Date: Jul 19, 2006
Subject: Continental A-65/75 valve guide question
Continental Engine Guru's, My re-print of the Continental engine manual does not give the O.D. of the original standard size valve guides. The ones in the engine range from .530 to .550 O.D, but I figure they've all been replaced at least a time or two (or three, or four). So, I don't know if I need .010" over, .020" over, or some other larger guide I can cut down to size. Anybody know the O.D. of standard size valve guides in an A-65/75? Thanks in advance, Dave Mordecai Panacea, FL where NX520SF patiently awaits her crankshaft to return from Rick Roman's.....
Continental Engine Guru's,

My re-print of the Continental engine manual does not give the O.D. of the original standard size valve guides. The ones in the engine range from .530 to .550 O.D, but I figure they've all been replaced at least a time or two (or three, or four). So, I don't know if I need .010" over, .020" over, or some other larger guide I can cut down to size.

Anybody know the O.D. of standard size valve guides in an A-65/75?

Thanks in advance,

Dave Mordecai

Panacea, FL

where NX520SF patiently awaits her crankshaft to return from Rick Roman's.....
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 19, 2006
Subject: smooth sailing!
I wish everybody safe journeys, calm air and strong tailwinds to Brodhead. However you travel there, have a safe one. I will miss being there, but Lord willing we'll be flying NX799B up next year!! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Jul 19, 2006
Subject: Re: Continental A-65/75 valve guide question
Dave, My Continental Manual lists as follows. TABLE OF LIMITS Min. Max. Valve Guide in Cylinder Head....Diameter .001T .0025T Hope this is what your looking for. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: kmordecai001(at)comcast.net To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A-65/75 valve guide question Continental Engine Guru's, My re-print of the Continental engine manual does not give the O.D. of the original standard size valve guides. The ones in the engine range from .530 to .550 O.D, but I figure they've all been replaced at least a time or two (or three, or four). So, I don't know if I need .010" over, .020" over, or some other larger guide I can cut down to size. Anybody know the O.D. of standard size valve guides in an A-65/75? Thanks in advance, Dave Mordecai Panacea, FL where NX520SF patiently awaits her crankshaft to return from Rick Roman's..... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Jul 19, 2006
Subject: Re: brake job
Oscar, When I changed brake linings on the Taylorcraft my IA told me to taxi and drag the brakes. At about 1/2 way to the end of the runway the brakes were pretty well locked up and I was having problems moving. I turned around and let things cool down and they have been happy ever since. Dave N36078 '41 BC-12-65 At 11:15 AM 7/19/2006, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > >It's been so slow on the list lately that I thought I'd go ahead and post >some info on my brakes. As I mentioned, they are off a Cessna 172 and had >life left on the linings, but one of the linings cracked somewhere along >the line so I decided to proceed with replacement. There are two tools >available to remove the old rivets and set new ones... a hammer-powered >one and one with a screw press. Our EAA Chapter 35 happened to have the >hammer-driven one in its tool chest so I used that one. > >It went very quickly and easily. One punch drives out the old rivets to >release the worn linings, then a different punch and set are used to head >the hollow end and back up the rivet head inside the pocket in the brake >lining. Very painless. One little improvement with these new Rapco >linings is that they are now made with a wear indicator... a simple notch >in one edge of the lining, approximately half the depth of the >lining. When it's worn down to where you can't see the notch anymore, you >should be thinking about replacing the linings. > >According to the Rapco website and instructions, break-in of the new >linings consists of a moderate taxi and application of brakes (there will >be very little braking action at first), followed by a cool-down and >another moderate taxi with braking. I will try this taxi testing and >brake lining break-in soon. > >Oscar Zuniga >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > >-- > > >-- incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Graham and Robyn" <grhewitt(at)globaldial.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2006
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/18/06
If any one wants a Pic of the Johnson ASI please email me grhewitt(at)globaldial.com Cheers Graham I wish Brodhead was closer to Perth in West Australia -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pietenpol-List Digest Server Sent: Wednesday, 19 July 2006 2:57 PM * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list/Digest.Pietenpol-List.200 6-07-18.html Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list/Digest.Pietenpol-List.200 6-07-18.txt =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/18/06: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:53 AM - Re: Have a safe trip () 2. 10:31 AM - Brodhead (shad bell) 3. 02:38 PM - Re: Dan from Poplar Grove (Rcaprd(at)aol.com) 4. 02:53 PM - World Aeronautical Charts (Rcaprd(at)aol.com) 5. 03:57 PM - Re: World Aeronautical Charts (Mark Blackwell) 6. 06:36 PM - Re: World Aeronautical Charts (Skip-Cinda Gadd) 7. 11:15 PM - Getting ready for Brodhead (shad bell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Having a fan blow directly on you quickly dehydrates the body;drink plenty of liquids.Beer will do!Good excuse to drink beer eh! ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of HelsperSew(at)aol.com Sent: July 17, 2006 5:38 PM I will be sleeping in the back of my truck. I bought a battery powered fan in the camping section at Farm N" Fleet. It has foam blades and will run for 20 hours on 6 D cells. Maybe this will at least evaporate some of the sweat that will be pooling on my chest! Hey, I just thought of something- freeze some huge blocks of ice and have the fan breeze "waft" over it on its way over to by body. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Hello Group, My name is Shad Bell, Gary Bell's son, and just wondering if anyone would like to meet up in Ohio, Indiana, or Illinois and fly in to brodhead as a group. Dad and I plan on leaving Delaware Ohio in the early morning on friday. Our planned route is more or less following route 30 accross In, IL and around the west side of Rockford. Our first stop should be Van Wert in N/W Ohio then on west. We just finnished our 40 hr test phase and so far no problems except the oil presure gauge leaking into the face of the instrument. Don't buy Faris brand engine gauges both the oil temp and pressure gauges have been replaced. The oil temp did not even last untill the 1st flight, the pressure gauge started leaking around 40 hrs. Any way hope to see you all at Brodhead.\ Shad Bell --------------------------------- See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ In a message dated 7/17/2006 6:52:14 PM Central Standard Time, csfog(at)earthlink.net writes: Checked the 10 day forcast on wx.com. Friday Hi and Lo 78/58. Saturday 80/61. 20% chance rain both days. Maybe we will luck out this year. Skip That sounds Great !! It was over 110=BA here in Wichita, today. Tomorrow i s supposed to be a few degrees hotter. Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ I'm doing a project in my hanger, and I need more WAC's. I want to have the entire Continental United States on one wall of the hanger, but the wall isn't big enough for the Sectional Charts, so I need more of the outdated WAC's. Does anyone know where I can get these outdated charts, or perhaps someone has some they could swap for a ride at Brodhead ? I need two each, of the 4 charts across the North, and the 2 on the East Coast. Chuck G. NX770CG tomorrow, I'm going to do a very thourough inspection, do a hop around the patch, weigh and pack the gear, and top off the fuel tanks. Gear up, crack o' dawn Thursday...or maybe crack o' 10am...weather is lookin' Good !! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Just go to any chart dealer and tell them you want the outdated ones for a project that does not use them for navigation purposes. Explain what you want to do with them. When the charts expire to get credit for the ones that were unsold, they have to cut a portion of the label off and send that part back. The rest they throw away, for which you would be happy to do for them. Lots of places would likely help you out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: World Aeronautical Charts I'm doing a project in my hanger, and I need more WAC's. I want to have the entire Continental United States on one wall of the hanger, but the wall isn't big enough for the Sectional Charts, so I need more of the outdated WAC's. Does anyone know where I can get these outdated charts, or perhaps someone has some they could swap for a ride at Brodhead ? I need two each, of the 4 charts across the North, and the 2 on the East Coast. Chuck G. NX770CG tomorrow, I'm going to do a very thourough inspection, do a hop around the patch, weigh and pack the gear, and top off the fuel tanks. Gear up, crack o' dawn Thursday...or maybe crack o' 10am...weather is lookin' Good !! ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Chuck, I will bring CF-17, CF-18, CG-21, and CH-23. We are leaving tomorrow morning, early. See you there. Skip ----- Original Message ----- Sent: 7/18/2006 5:57:44 PM I'm doing a project in my hanger, and I need more WAC's. I want to have the entire Continental United States on one wall of the hanger, but the wall isn't big enough for the Sectional Charts, so I need more of the outdated WAC's. Does anyone know where I can get these outdated charts, or perhaps someone has some they could swap for a ride at Brodhead ? I need two each, of the 4 charts across the North, and the 2 on the East Coast. Chuck G. NX770CG tomorrow, I'm going to do a very thourough inspection, do a hop around the patch, weigh and pack the gear, and top off the fuel tanks. Gear up, crack o' dawn Thursday...or maybe crack o' 10am...weather is lookin' Good !! ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Hello all, I've got Dad's piet in my hanger here at the house trying to get it ready for the 400 mile trip to Brodhead on friday, He is on the road and won't be home untill Thursday night. We decided to tighten up the "X" brace cables on the L/H lift struts last sunday when the airplane was flying hands off and we ended up making it right wing heavy. So now I get to adjust and saftywire the turnbuckles then test fly and hopefully not have to waist too much time cutting off safties and re-addjusting turnbuckles over and over. (should have left them alone, hind sight is 20/20). The weather should be nice enough tommorow to test fly but I ran out of 0.040" safty wire so I have to get some more in the morning. Well it is time for bed... to all a good night and let visions of pietenpols dance in your heads. Shad --------------------------------- rates. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: PIETLARS29(at)wmconnect.com
Date: Jul 19, 2006
Subject: Re: Pietenpol for sale
Pieters, I too am sorry to hear about Dons passing; our sympathy to Clara. I have visited the Hicks in Hartford Alabama and viewed Don's Piet; to any who might be interested , the workmanship is absolutely first class. It has a Model A engine and the 'jenny' stiff leg gear. A real gem of a Piet. Lou Larsen ________________________________________________________________________________
From: kmordecai001(at)comcast.net
Date: Jul 20, 2006
Subject: A-75 bottom overhaul progress - pleasant surprise
Fellow Pieters, I thought I would take a little time while the crank is in the shop to balance the reciprocating parts in the A-75. Imagine my surprise when I found the rods within 3 grams of each other! From looking at them you wouldn't have expected it, but I suppose the irregularities in material on the beam sides and rod ends were the result of the factory balance work. Lot's of grinding marks & variation from rod to rod, but the balance is very good. A little work with the grinder and now they're within 1 gram. Pistons are within 10 grams, but will soon be within 1 or 2 :-) I know, this is way overkill for a 2600 rpm engine, but it keeps me off the streets & justifies the occasional purchase of tool bits. Also smoothed & polished the intake spider, elbows, and ports. Port matching was pretty good, but the surface finish was pretty rough with lot's of very rough spots from irregularities in the mold. Once again, overkill for a slow running motor, but maybe I'll pick up a few rpm's in climbout. Looking forward to assembly in a couple of weeks......... Dave Mordecai Panacea, FL NX520SF
Fellow Pieters,

I thought I would take a little time while the crank is in the shop to balance the reciprocating parts in the A-75. Imagine my surprise when I found the rods within 3 grams of each other! From looking at them you wouldn't have expected it, but I suppose the irregularities in material on the beam sides and rod ends were the result of the factory balance work. Lot's of grinding marks & variation from rod to rod, but the balance is very good. A little work with the grinder and now they're within 1 gram.

Pistons are within 10 grams, but will soon be within 1 or 2 :-)

I know, this is way overkill for a 2600 rpm engine, but it keeps me off the streets & justifies the occasional purchase of tool bits.

Also smoothed & polished the intake spider, elbows, and ports. Port matching was pretty good, but the surface finish was pretty rough with lot's of very rough spots from irregularities in the mold. Once again, overkill for a slow running motor, but maybe I'll pick up a few rpm's in climbout.

Looking forward to assembly in a couple of weeks.........

Dave Mordecai

Panacea, FL

NX520SF

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From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2006
Subject: A-75 bottom overhaul progress - pleasant surprise
Dave, when I built my A65 I did the same thing, mixing and matching all the reciprocating parts to get it as well balanced as possible. I had new Mil lenium cylinders and pistons and found their pistons were within =BD gram o f each other (the original Continental pistons varied by about 7 grams). I didn't do any metal removal - just swapped parts around until I got each o f the four sets as close to the same weight as possible. As I recall each set was within less than 1.5 grams of each other. It's worth the effort. Mine is the smoothest running A65 I've ever flown behind. I doubt if it tr anslates to any more power, but it should increase the life of the engine. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kmordecai001(at)comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:27 PM Fellow Pieters, I thought I would take a little time while the crank is in the shop to bala nce the reciprocating parts in the A-75. Imagine my surprise when I found the rods within 3 grams of each other! From looking at them you wouldn't h ave expected it, but I suppose the irregularities in material on the beam s ides and rod ends were the result of the factory balance work. Lot's of gr inding marks & variation from rod to rod, but the balance is very good. A little work with the grinder and now they're within 1 gram. Pistons are within 10 grams, but will soon be within 1 or 2 :-) I know, this is way overkill for a 2600 rpm engine, but it keeps me off th e streets & justifies the occasional purchase of tool bits. Also smoothed & polished the intake spider, elbows, and ports. Port matchin g was pretty good, but the surface finish was pretty rough with lot's of ve ry rough spots from irregularities in the mold. Once again, overkill for a slow running motor, but maybe I'll pick up a few rpm's in climbout. Looking forward to assembly in a couple of weeks......... Dave Mordecai Panacea, FL NX520SF _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2006
Subject: brake job
Dave wrote- >my IA told me to taxi and drag the brakes. At about 1/2 way to the end >of the runway the brakes were pretty well locked up. >I turned around and let things cool down and they have been happy ever >since. According to the literature, for organic linings they need to get up into the 850F range but if you heat them too much too fast, you carburize the material and it becomes brittle. The heat is required to set the resins that bind the lining material and you want to form a bit of a glaze, but again- too much, too fast is not good. That's why they say to taxi about 1000 ft. to get them hot, then let them cool down, then repeat until braking action is good. The recommendation is to let them cool for 30-45 minutes between runs but I'm worried that if I do that, the brakes might get HOTTER from standing in the South Texas heat! ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2006
Subject: brake job
Tony Bingelis describes how to condition new brake pads. I think it is in the yellow book. Here is an excerpt: "The Product Reference Memo I received with my new Cleveland wheels and brakes states that the "conditioning" may be accomplished as follows: "1. Perform a minimum of six light pedal effort braking applications from 25 to 40 mph. Allow the brake discs to partially cool between stops. " That's it. Apparently the procedure insures that sufficient heat is generated to cure the resins in the linings and yet not cause them to become carburized due to excessive heat. Jack Phillips -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:37 AM Dave wrote- >my IA told me to taxi and drag the brakes. At about 1/2 way to the end >of the runway the brakes were pretty well locked up. >I turned around and let things cool down and they have been happy ever >since. According to the literature, for organic linings they need to get up into the 850F range but if you heat them too much too fast, you carburize the material and it becomes brittle. The heat is required to set the resins that bind the lining material and you want to form a bit of a glaze, but again- too much, too fast is not good. That's why they say to taxi about 1000 ft. to get them hot, then let them cool down, then repeat until braking action is good. The recommendation is to let them cool for 30-45 minutes between runs but I'm worried that if I do that, the brakes might get HOTTER from standing in the South Texas heat! ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert Gow" <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca>
Date: Jul 20, 2006
Subject: smooth sailing!
I've got family affair that will keep me from Brodhead. I'm going to try to make Oshkosh. Will there be any Piets going on to Oshkosh? Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: July 19, 2006 5:39 PM To: pietenpolgroup Subject: Pietenpol-List: smooth sailing! I wish everybody safe journeys, calm air and strong tailwinds to Brodhead. However you travel there, have a safe one. I will miss being there, but Lord willing we'll be flying NX799B up next year!! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Date: Jul 20, 2006
Subject: Brodhead repair
I went out today to fuel up NX2RN and check things out for the flight tomorrow. I found a fair amount of chafing on my fixed gear bungees. The casing is worn thru but all strands of rubber intact. I picked up new bungees today and all supplies to replace them, but there is no one around the airport to help me stretch new ones on short notice. I am comfortable with flying to Brodhead, so could someone who is driving down, bring along a bottle or sissors jack and a couple of blocks of wood to help me repair. I am hoping to be there by 1 pm. tomorrow. Hopefully, with a tail wind and non stop 245 mi. Thanks Dick N. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Date: Jul 20, 2006
Subject: Re: smooth sailing!
I'm up here at Brodhead - drove in. The wx has been pretty bad, with lots of storms. Right now, there's only one fly-in Piet, the blue one with radial engine. However, the clouds have cleared and it's beautiful. Also, the new hotel (Earth Rider) is fantastic, especially if you're traveling with a non-Pieting wife! >I wish everybody safe journeys, calm air and strong tailwinds to >Brodhead. However you travel there, have a safe one. I will miss >being there, but Lord willing we'll be flying NX799B up next year!! > >Douwe -- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor Department of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Atlanta, GA 30322 Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision http://www.molvis.org/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Alan Lyscars" <alyscars(at)maine.rr.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2006
Subject: Re: smooth sailing!
Re: Pietenpol-List: smooth sailing!Jeff and The Gang, Boys, Please take many photos for later posting. We Boondocks Kids wish you all a rewarding Broadhead event; wishing we were there too. Al in Maine Early GN-1 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Boatright To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 6:45 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: smooth sailing! I'm up here at Brodhead - drove in. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2006
Subject: Re: Brodhead repair & a Day Late
In a message dated 7/20/2006 4:49:14 PM Central Standard Time, horzpool(at)goldengate.net writes: I went out today to fuel up NX2RN and check things out for the flight tomorrow. I found a fair amount of chafing on my fixed gear bungees. The casing is worn thru but all strands of rubber intact. I picked up new bungees today and all supplies to replace them, but there is no one around the airport to help me stretch new ones on short notice. I am comfortable with flying to Brodhead, so could someone who is driving down, bring along a bottle or sissors jack and a couple of blocks of wood to help me repair. I am hoping to be there by 1 pm. tomorrow. Hopefully, with a tail wind and non stop 245 mi. Thanks Dick N. I'm going to be a day late, too. I finally finished up the editing of the 'Building NX770CG', after the stinking lousy Pinnacle Editing Program kept crashing, over and over again. This program has been a pain in the neck ever since I started using it. I finally got it ready to burn some copies, and out of a couple dozen attempts, I have EIGHT discs that didn't burn properly...not a very good track record for that lousy editing program. I now check every single disc, after I burn them. Well, the plane is ready, and all packed, alarm clock set for 4am. I should make Brodhead within the day Friday, unless weather blocks the way. However, the weather is looking pretty good. See y'all there Friday late afternoon, or evening !! Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike King" <mikek120(at)mindspring.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2006
Subject: Re: Brodhead repair & a Day Late
Have a safe trip Chuck. Take plenty of pictures for us who can't make this year. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:24 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead repair & a Day Late In a message dated 7/20/2006 4:49:14 PM Central Standard Time, horzpool(at)goldengate.net writes: I went out today to fuel up NX2RN and check things out for the flight tomorrow. I found a fair amount of chafing on my fixed gear bungees. The casing is worn thru but all strands of rubber intact. I picked up new bungees today and all supplies to replace them, but there is no one around the airport to help me stretch new ones on short notice. I am comfortable with flying to Brodhead, so could someone who is driving down, bring along a bottle or sissors jack and a couple of blocks of wood to help me repair. I am hoping to be there by 1 pm. tomorrow. Hopefully, with a tail wind and non stop 245 mi. Thanks Dick N. I'm going to be a day late, too. I finally finished up the editing of the 'Building NX770CG', after the stinking lousy Pinnacle Editing Program kept crashing, over and over again. This program has been a pain in the neck ever since I started using it. I finally got it ready to burn some copies, and out of a couple dozen attempts, I have EIGHT discs that didn't burn properly...not a very good track record for that lousy editing program. I now check every single disc, after I burn them. Well, the plane is ready, and all packed, alarm clock set for 4am. I should make Brodhead within the day Friday, unless weather blocks the way. However, the weather is looking pretty good. See y'all there Friday late afternoon, or evening !! Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 21, 2006
Subject: Brodhead Flight Questionable
Well, things just haven't been working out. After securing 56 lbs of cargo in the front pit, before dawn this morning, I called weather brief, and he said "Have you looked at the weather this morning on your route of flight ??" I thought...hummmm...this can't be good. It turns out there is a HUGE system all up through my flight path, with the worst of it around Kansas City. Tops at 50,000, 1 mile visibility, hail, and all kinds of nasty stuff, and moving East...you get the picture. He said I might be able to get through between 9am and 12pm, but this is a big storm. Not worth the risk. My only hope of making Brodhead this year, is if this system is through enough later on today, and I could make the North side of Kansas City, and find a place to pitch my tent, then make the remainder of the trip on Saturday morning. Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com>
Date: Jul 21, 2006
Subject: Brodhead Flight Questionable
I wondered about you Chuck. Since I can't go this year I was sitting around this morning feeling sorry for myself and pulled up the DUATS weather graphics. Ain't no way I could have gone today. The same front that is causing you problems stretches all the way to Maine, and I would have to cross it somewhere or other. The mountains in your old stomping grounds are IFR or marginal VFR today. By this afternoon it is gonna get worse for me, but you might be able to get out - particularly if you go north first, then east towards Wisconsin. For me, it looks like I wouldn't be able to make it to Brodhead until Monday at the earliest. Just as well i can't go this year - I'd really be crying if I had everything in place but the weather shut me down. Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC Hoping to get some Pietable weather sometime this weekend. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rcaprd(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:34 AM Well, things just haven't been working out. After securing 56 lbs of cargo in the front pit, before dawn this morning, I called weather brief, and he said "Have you looked at the weather this morning on your route of flight ??" I thought...hummmm...this can't be good. It turns out there is a HUGE system all up through my flight path, with the worst of it around Kansas City. Tops at 50,000, 1 mile visibility, hail, and all kinds of nasty stuff, and moving East...you get the picture. He said I might be able to get through between 9am and 12pm, but this is a big storm. Not worth the risk. My only hope of making Brodhead this year, is if this system is through enough later on today, and I could make the North side of Kansas City, and find a place to pitch my tent, then make the remainder of the trip on Saturday morning. Chuck G. NX770CG _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu>
Date: Jul 21, 2006
Subject: Brodhead
Wish I were there! I'd even be happy with being on my way if I were late. Good luck and good flying to those headed to Brodhead. Have an extra pork chop for me. Oh, to land in the grass again. Steve e ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Date: Jul 21, 2006
Subject: stalled system
I'm glad I'm driving up looking at the weather. We'll go again in 2007 maybe, eh Jack ? Best wishes to you Chuck. I know you'll make wise choices on go/no-go. Things in the weather look like they have stalled out----I was hoping for the guys flying that this mess would have cleared east by now. Mike ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Date: Jul 21, 2006
Subject: Re: stalled system
Hi Mike I'm sitting here at home waiting. My departure at OEO is just clearing up nicely but now I see a line of storms moving into Brodhead. I'll sit and wait. Patience is saftey. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:08 AM > > > I'm glad I'm driving up looking at the weather. We'll go again in 2007 > maybe, eh Jack ? > > Best wishes to you Chuck. I know you'll make wise choices on go/no-go. > > Things in the weather look like they have stalled out----I was hoping for > the guys flying that this mess would have cleared east by now. > > Mike > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 21, 2006
Subject: stalled system
Just looking at the national radar here after lunch, be glad you're not in Florida! Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com>
Date: Jul 21, 2006
Subject: stalled system
Yep. Nexrad is showing a system just sort of squatting on Brodhead. Doesn't look to be moving out very fast either. Jack Phillips Hot, but dry in Raleigh -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Navratil Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:08 PM Hi Mike I'm sitting here at home waiting. My departure at OEO is just clearing up nicely but now I see a line of storms moving into Brodhead. I'll sit and wait. Patience is saftey. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:08 AM > > > I'm glad I'm driving up looking at the weather. We'll go again in 2007 > maybe, eh Jack ? > > Best wishes to you Chuck. I know you'll make wise choices on go/no-go. > > Things in the weather look like they have stalled out----I was hoping for > the guys flying that this mess would have cleared east by now. > > Mike > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > _________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: FTLovley(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 21, 2006
Subject: Re: stalled system
I flew to Brodhead this morning and left there about 1:00 PM...arrived back in MPLS around 2:30...there were a few showers NW of Brodhead, but just flew around them and had a nice ride...Forrest Lovley ________________________________________________________________________________
From: kmordecai001(at)comcast.net
Date: Jul 21, 2006
Subject: Re: Continental Valve Guides
Thanks Gene, but that's the interference fit between the valve guide and the bore in the head. ie: The guide should be .001 to .0025 larger in O.D. than the bore in the head. The head is heated to expand it, and the guide chilled in the freezer prior to pressing the guide in, making for a TIGHT fit. I can buy guides using the bore diameter's I need, but the places I've called only list them by oversize (+.010, +.020, etc) rather than by actual O.D, so I'll need them to mic what they have so I get the right size (or perhaps I should say oversize) Thanks, Dave in Panacea > > > > > TABLE OF LIMITS Min. Max. > Valve Guide in Cylinder Head....Diameter .001T .0025T > > Hope this is what your looking for. > Gene >
Thanks Gene, but that's the interference fit between the valve guide and the bore in the head. ie: The guide should be .001 to .0025 larger in O.D. than the bore in the head.  The head is heated to expand it, and the guide chilled in the freezer prior to pressing the guide in, making for a TIGHT fit.

I can buy guides using the bore diameter's I need, but the places I've called only list them by oversize (+.010, +.020, etc) rather than by actual O.D, so I'll need them to mic what they have so I get the right size (or perhaps I should say oversize)

Thanks,

Dave in Panacea

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From: "D.Reid" <dreidjax(at)alltel.net>
Date: Jul 21, 2006
Subject: Re: stalled system
Awwwwww.....I AM in Florida...wishing I was in Broadhead for starters...then wishing I might mosey on over to that "other" airshow. But I'll look at the bright side. I have a whole year to plan next years trip. That might even be enough time to do something about the WX. I'll get to work on it right away. Dave...(snif) down in Florida. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 2:46 PM > > > Just looking at the national radar here after lunch, be glad you're not in > Florida! > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Jul 22, 2006
Subject: Oil pressure gage
Ok, here goes. The oil pressure gage I have on my Pietenpol with the Cont. 65 reads from 0 to 100 PSI. I find it hard to tell just what my oil pressure really is (it reads just a little north of 25 so is it 27 or 30 or maybe even 31??). I'm going to change to one that reads 0 to 50 PSI. Here's my question (I've asked two different mechanics and received two different answers). "Should the line going to the gage be full of oil, partially full of oil or full of air?" If it needs to be full of oil what is the best way to fill the line (without filling the cockpit and surrounding area}. Thank you (please bear with me as I'm going from many years of two strokes to 4 strokes) Gene N502R ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Waytogopiet(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 22, 2006
Subject: Don's 'Piet
Hello again, sorry to bother you guys, but I have had several phone calls regarding the 'Piet and e-mail addresses, that were left on the answering machine. For some crazy reason the numbers are fuzzy on the recording. It would be great if you could e-mail me on Hixplace(at)aol.com ,that way I could respond correctly. So sorry for the interruptions on your chat. If any of you are going to Broadhead, I would appreciate your putting an ad for this 'Piet on the bulletin board. It is a Classic..model A engine, the 'jenny' stiff leg gear. I have pictures of the 'Piet in construction, from the beginning of the first load of wood that arrived from Oregon. I am asking $14,000 OBO. Thanks again..Clara ________________________________________________________________________________
From: dave brian <evadsti(at)mac.com>
Date: Jul 22, 2006
Subject: Please take me off Your list as I didn't sign up for any
of them. Please take me off Your list as I didn't sign up for any of them. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 22, 2006
Subject: Re: Oil pressure gage
In a message dated 7/22/2006 1:54:06 PM Central Standard Time, zharvey(at)bellsouth.net writes: "Should the line going to the gage be full of oil, partially full of oil or full of air?" If it needs to be full of oil what is the best way to fill the line (without filling the cockpit and surrounding area}. Gene, The Line should be full of oil. The best way, after you install your new gauge, is to have the line disconnected at the gauge, and pointing into a small cup or something, then simply flip the prop over and over, till you have oil coming out, then reconnect the line to the gauge. Be certain the mags are OFF, or Grounded. I don't like the cheap oil pressure gauges. The Stewert Warner oil pressure gauge on my A65 reads about 35 psi at cruise speed. Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 22, 2006
Subject: Re: Oil pressure gage
Hey Smokey, What is you present location, altitude, heading and attitude???????????????? Corky ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 22, 2006
Subject: Oil pressure gauge
Hey, Gene- I replaced the oil pressure gauge on 41CC and had the oil sump off the engine as well as all the oil pressure hoses and tubing. When I built the system back up again and replaced the gauge, I worried about the air thing too, but just started the engine up after refilling the sump and everything worked OK the instant the engine fired up. I suppose that air trapped in the Bourdon tube in the gauge, or in the lines, may cause some sort of pulsations- but I haven't seen any. Pressure is pressure, air or oil in the line, and I don't think it makes any difference. However, if you want to try bleeding the air out of your line- good luck. I foresee oil in your future ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 23, 2006
Subject: Stompin' around
In a message dated 7/22/2006 7:29:13 PM Central Standard Time, Isablcorky(at)aol.com writes: Hey Smokey, What is you present location, altitude, heading and attitude???????????????? Corky Well Corky, I'm home, my altitude is 1340 ft. (Wichita elevation), I'm heading back out to the garage to work on the Tailwind, and my attitude...well, I'm all pi** off, because I didn't get to make Brodhead this year !! My only 'time' window was to leave Friday morning, but with the Huge system, that was centered over Kansas City (tops @ 50,000'), I couldn't go over it, or get around it. Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 23, 2006
Subject: Re: Stompin' around
Sorry you couldn't make it Chuck. The pork chop dinner at Brodhead last night was great. I have your Guinness in a cooler in the trunk of my car. Don't worry, I will save you one, guess I will have to dispose of the rest of them myself up at Oshkosh. Rick H. On 7/23/06, Rcaprd(at)aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/22/2006 7:29:13 PM Central Standard Time, > Isablcorky(at)aol.com writes: > > Hey Smokey, > > What is you present location, altitude, heading and > attitude???????????????? > > Corky > > Well Corky, I'm home, my altitude is 1340 ft. (Wichita elevation), I'm > heading back out to the garage to work on the Tailwind, and my > attitude...well, I'm all pi** off, because I didn't get to make Brodhead > this year !! My only 'time' window was to leave Friday morning, but with > the Huge system, that was centered over Kansas City (tops @ 50,000'), I > couldn't go over it, or get around it. > > Chuck G. > NX770CG > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 23, 2006
Subject: Re: Stompin' around
In a message dated 7/23/2006 9:25:57 AM Central Standard Time, at7000ft(at)gmail.com writes: Sorry you couldn't make it Chuck. The pork chop dinner at Brodhead last night was great. I have your Guinness in a cooler in the trunk of my car. Don't worry, I will save you one, guess I will have to dispose of the rest of them myself up at Oshkosh. Rick H. Thanks, Rick. Just thinking about that Guiness and those pork chops makes my mouth water !! I look forward to Brodhead so much, every year...I guess sometimes the best laid plans still go awry. I'm sure everyone had a great time, and I hope you gave a great Oshkosh !! I see where they now have a HUGE movie screen to watch after dark. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TBYH(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 23, 2006
Subject: Brodhead
There was definitely some rain on Friday and some late Saturday -- on the north side of Brodhead. We drove to Brodhead from La Crosse on Friday afternoon -- rained most of the trip, but stopped once we got to Brodhead and there was a lot of flying going on. Saturday morning it was nice weather and lots of flying going on again....kept watching for Chuck G. to make a smoky arrival, but as he mentions, too much weather to the south. Yours truly was treated to a ride in Ken Perkins Piet! (Many thanks again, Ken and Richard!) What a thrill! And yes, big guys can get into the front pit and yes, she flew just great despite the front seat load! There's nothing like the sound and smell of that little Model A crackling away up front! I'll try to post some pictures in the morning. Just to give you an idea how "jazzed" I was -- we headed out away from Brodhead for a few minutes. Saw a red-tailed hawk and made a turn with him...and then we were flying along and I was so excited and taking pics like crazy and then I looked down and saw this little airfield and I thought to myself, "Geez! Look at that cool little airfield and all the planes and there's even more landing and taking off!" And then I caught myself, "Oh, yeah, that Brodhead where we just took off from!" Well, after landing I think I would have given Ken a million bucks right then and there for his little orange and cream gem! The pork chop dinner was great although we saw some flies (yes, the little six-legged insect kind) take off with a pork chop and head west! Another group of flies had the apple sauce cup and still others had the dinner roll! No lie! They even flew in a stacked echelon formation! Ran into lots of rain just north of Janesville on the ride home -- was all tucked into bed by 10:30 Saturday night dreaming about Piets -- and I was up early this morning so I could work on my own Piet! I always head home Saturday night 'cause I'm so fired up I just have to get home so I can spend Sunday working on my own "kite" -- wish I didn't have to go to my real job tomorrow! Bought a complete set of control horns from Ken P. -- very nice! And they fit my elevators and rudder just perfectly! My wife went along with me this year -- first time to Brodhead for her and she said it was one of the top five vacations we've ever taken -- even if it was for only two days! She was very impressed by the activities and how friendly everyone is...well, that's what I've been telling her for the last two years. So, we'll be back again next year! More later! Best regards to all! Only 363 days 'til Brodhead '07! Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "tmbrant1(at)netzero.com" <tmbrant1(at)netzero.net>
Date: Jul 24, 2006
Subject: Re: Brodhead
Does Ken P. make the control horns and sell them? How much? Tom B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Arden Adamson" <aadamson(at)wnmdag.org>
Date: Jul 24, 2006
Subject: Piet list name tags?
Gentlemen, I have been following all comments on the Piet list for several years but not posting very many comments myself. Am building a Piet and will be flying to Brodhead with my Skyhawk on Saturday morning to spend the day. Just a suggestion-It sure would be nice if all you guys wore name tags so I (and others) could identify and meet you in person. I would sure appreciate the privilege of getting acquainted. Looking forward to seeing you there. Arden Adamson Waupaca, WI ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com>
Date: Jul 24, 2006
Subject: Piet list name tags?
Arden, are you talking about next year's Brodhead fly-in? This year's fly in was this past weekend. It is always the weekend before the other fly-in at Oshkosh. Jack Phillips Grounded by weather all weekend -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Arden Adamson Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 11:17 AM Gentlemen, I have been following all comments on the Piet list for several years but not posting very many comments myself. Am building a Piet and will be flying to Brodhead with my Skyhawk on Saturday morning to spend the day. Just a suggestion-It sure would be nice if all you guys wore name tags so I (and others) could identify and meet you in person. I would sure appreciate the privilege of getting acquainted. Looking forward to seeing you there. Arden Adamson Waupaca, WI _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________________________________________________________
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 24, 2006
Subject: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure
Hello Guys, Shad Bell here, what an adventure this past weekend was! It was dissapointing to say the least but what a story. My dad Gary and I headed up for Brodhead on friday morning at 9:30 am from central OH. Fuel stops atevanwertthento Warsaw IN. The only set back untill then was low level scud clouds and an unsceduled fuel stop at Lima OH to wait for clearing skys. I was driving the truck at this point, over to Warsaw for my turn to fly. I get in all fueled up at Warsaw and fly over to "Valpo" IN with no problems. I wait for Dad at Valpo and he bring a couple quarts of oil to keep in the airplane since we have the corvair and run 15w40. So I take off again excited but cautious about the wind at Joliet airport in IL. The WX briefer called for 8-12 ktsout of the NE. Well along I go headed for Joliet and it starts raining lightly, no big deal it's only 8 miles to joliet. HOLY s- - -! I look down and see corn blowing over so hard it looks like waves of water. With out hesitating I punched in awos for joliet and the winds were 26kts gusting to 36 kts at 020 deg, almost directly accross joliets runway. I remember passing a small airport to my east with 2 runways and one of them was halfway in to the wind, so I turned around and realized my ground speed at my 2000 ft alt was close to 30mph. I got to the airport and got her down with no scrapes tears or bruises and the airplane handled it relitivly good. After pretty much flying the piet ( stalls at 34 indicated) to the ramp in blowing light rain I went inside to see if this seemingly abandon airport had weather radar. The airport was Howell / New Lenox airport, and the attendant told me he was leaving to go home shortly but I could put the piet in a T hanger untill the weather cleared. He also let me do something unheard of these days, He gave me the key to the fuel pump and let me pay for how much gas i thought I would need and trusted me not to take more than I paid for. He then told me the sad news of how his airport would be bull-dozed in 10 days for housing developments. After waiting for 3 hrs I accepted I would not make Brodhead on friday I called dad, who was fighting Chicago traffic at 6pm, and said it was no-go and I would like a ride and some food, bed etc etc. He found the airport which is way off the beaten path and we stayed in joliet at the holiday inn. On saturday the sky was clear and the winds light so we went back early and got the piet ready for the 3-4 hrs of flying on up to Brodhead. I was flying and after taking off the engine rpm dropped about 300 rpm, and I remembered that corvairs are very prone to carb ice so I pulled out the carb heat and it raised about 200 rpm so I figured It was OK. I circled the field 3 times to make sure she was going to run and then headed west the 15 miles to joliet. I passed joliet about 2 miles south west of the field and the engine started loosing power badly. At 2400rpm it would just barly hold alt. I turned back to joliet airport and made a scary approach to joliet, with nothing below me but hi-ways, houses and industry. I made the airport without complete power loss and called dad who was only 30 mins away, and told him we need to do some work on the engine. We ended up checking the sediment bowl, it was clean. The carborateor was the next susspect so we took it off , took it apart and cleaned it on the tailgate of his pickup truck (with people looking at us like we were crazy). We found just a little bit of verry fine sediment in the fuel bowl cleaned the bowl and blew out the jets. After getting the carb installed we test ran tied down at full power for 10-12 min. It ran fine and made the full 3300-3400 rpm. Dad test flew around Joliet for 20-30 min and no problems. We fueled up and I was still flying so I went off to the north to Dekalb IL for fuel. The engine was running great and it was a very great flight. Took o fuel at dekalb and headed north to Poplar Grove airport for one last fuel stop before Brodhead. I went in to pay for my fuel and chaked the radar and saw the pop up storms around the Brodhead area, This was about 5pm on sat. I only had 35 miles to go so I taxied out and took off and right after passing the end of the runway on climb out the engine started acting up again, so I circled and landed and called dad. He was near Beloit WI getting the hotel room. He headed down, we ran it and we could duplicate the problem on the ground so we made the decission to truck her home. By this time we are very stressed out 500 miles from home and now we have to find a way to get her home without dammaging her. This is where an uncommonly generous man, Steve Thomas, the owner of Poplar Grove airport let us pull the airplane into his hanger and start pulling the wings. He then offered us use of his 24ft flatbed trailer to haul the piet home. This was VERY appreciated as we had no idea how or what we were going to do with this ordeal. So while the porkchop dinner was being served we were pulling dad's pretty little airplane apart to be shipped home on the back of dad's truck. I guess in hind sight it could have been much much worse. I, my father, and lastly the airplane all live to fly another day. We also foud out that esspecially in our chosen hobby of airplanes and aviation there are generous and out-going people. So to all you fellow Pietenpol enthisiasts : like the Cubs fans say, "There is always next year". Fly safe Shad Bell --------------------------------- See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com>
Date: Jul 24, 2006
Subject: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure
Good story Shad, and glad it all worked out safely for you. Having had a partial power failure induced forced landing in mine, I know the feeling of sphincter-clinch that grabs hold of you when you hear and feel the engine suddenly not doing right. Do you think the second problem with the engine was sediment in the carburetor? Do you have a fuel filter in the line? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:20 PM Hello Guys, Shad Bell here, what an adventure this past weekend was! It was dissapointing to say the least but what a story. My dad Gary and I headed up for Brodhead on friday morning at 9:30 am from central OH. Fuel stops atevanwertthento Warsaw IN. The only set back untill then was low level scud clouds and an unsceduled fuel stop at Lima OH to wait for clearing skys. I was driving the truck at this point, over to Warsaw for my turn to fly. I get in all fueled up at Warsaw and fly over to "Valpo" IN with no problems. I wait for Dad at Valpo and he bring a couple quarts of oil to keep in the airplane since we have the corvair and run 15w40. So I take off again excited but cautious about the wind at Joliet airport in IL. The WX briefer called for 8-12 ktsout of the NE. Well along I go headed for Joliet and it starts raining lightly, no big deal it's only 8 miles to joliet. HOLY s- - -! I look down and see corn blowing over so hard it looks like waves of water. With out hesitating I punched in awos for joliet and the winds were 26kts gusting to 36 kts at 020 deg, almost directly accross joliets runway. I remember passing a small airport to my east with 2 runways and one of them was halfway in to the wind, so I turned around and realized my ground speed at my 2000 ft alt was close to 30mph. I got to the airport and got her down with no scrapes tears or bruises and the airplane handled it relitivly good. After pretty much flying the piet ( stalls at 34 indicated) to the ramp in blowing light rain I went inside to see if this seemingly abandon airport had weather radar. The airport was Howell / New Lenox airport, and the attendant told me he was leaving to go home shortly but I could put the piet in a T hanger untill the weather cleared. He also let me do something unheard of these days, He gave me the key to the fuel pump and let me pay for how much gas i thought I would need and trusted me not to take more than I paid for. He then told me the sad news of how his airport would be bull-dozed in 10 days for housing developments. After waiting for 3 hrs I accepted I would not make Brodhead on friday I called dad, who was fighting Chicago traffic at 6pm, and said it was no-go and I would like a ride and some food, bed etc etc. He found the airport which is way off the beaten path and we stayed in joliet at the holiday inn. On saturday the sky was clear and the winds light so we went back early and got the piet ready for the 3-4 hrs of flying on up to Brodhead. I was flying and after taking off the engine rpm dropped about 300 rpm, and I remembered that corvairs are very prone to carb ice so I pulled out the carb heat and it raised about 200 rpm so I figured It was OK. I circled the field 3 times to make sure she was going to run and then headed west the 15 miles to joliet. I passed joliet about 2 miles south west of the field and the engine started loosing power badly. At 2400rpm it would just barly hold alt. I turned back to joliet airport and made a scary approach to joliet, with nothing below me but hi-ways, houses and industry. I made the airport without complete power loss and called dad who was only 30 mins away, and told him we need to do some work on the engine. We ended up checking the sediment bowl, it was clean. The carborateor was the next susspect so we took it off , took it apart and cleaned it on the tailgate of his pickup truck (with people looking at us like we were crazy). We found just a little bit of verry fine sediment in the fuel bowl cleaned the bowl and blew out the jets. After getting the carb installed we test ran tied down at full power for 10-12 min. It ran fine and made the full 3300-3400 rpm. Dad test flew around Joliet for 20-30 min and no problems. We fueled up and I was still flying so I went off to the north to Dekalb IL for fuel. The engine was running great and it was a very great flight. Took o fuel at dekalb and headed north to Poplar Grove airport for one last fuel stop before Brodhead. I went in to pay for my fuel and chaked the radar and saw the pop up storms around the Brodhead area, This was about 5pm on sat. I only had 35 miles to go so I taxied out and took off and right after passing the end of the runway on climb out the engine started acting up again, so I circled and landed and called dad. He was near Beloit WI getting the hotel room. He headed down, we ran it and we could duplicate the problem on the ground so we made the decission to truck her home. By this time we are very stressed out 500 miles from home and now we have to find a way to get her home without dammaging her. This is where an uncommonly generous man, Steve Thomas, the owner of Poplar Grove airport let us pull the airplane into his hanger and start pulling the wings. He then offered us use of his 24ft flatbed trailer to haul the piet home. This was VERY appreciated as we had no idea how or what we were going to do with this ordeal. So while the porkchop dinner was being served we were pulling dad's pretty little airplane apart to be shipped home on the back of dad's truck. I guess in hind sight it could have been much much worse. I, my father, and lastly the airplane all live to fly another day. We also foud out that esspecially in our chosen hobby of airplanes and aviation there are generous and out-going people. So to all you fellow Pietenpol enthisiasts : like the Cubs fans say, "There is always next year". Fly safe Shad Bell _____ See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40762/*http:/www.yahoo.com/preview> _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <lnawms(at)fuse.net>
Date: Jul 24, 2006
Subject: Brodhead '06
Ok, what's the scoop on the reunion for those who got weathered out or otherwise didn't make it. Was the turn-out good, was the weather good, was the food good? Inquiring minds want to know!! Larry ps. pictures would be nice............ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)mn.rr.com>
Date: Jul 25, 2006
Subject: Re: Brodhead '06
Turn out was relatively light due to Friday's weather being uncooperative in all quadrants but especially bad to the south. 7 or 8 Pietenpols and quite a few Hatz airplanes made it in. The Barnstorming Tour made a quick stop which included several Waco and Travelair models. Sunday's weather was delightful and the return trip more than made up for the grueling flight in on Friday. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:05 PM > > Ok, what's the scoop on the reunion for those who got weathered out or > otherwise didn't make it. Was the turn-out good, was the weather good, was > the food good? Inquiring minds want to know!! > > Larry > > ps. pictures would be nice............ > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 24, 2006
Subject: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure
Hello Jack, We are suspecting that there may be debris partially blocking the fuel flow into the carb. We just got it unloaded today but have not worked on it yet. When we had it appart we did not find any hard evidence as to what was causing the problem. The strangest thig is that it ran fine for 45hrs and even the flight to Brodhead it was running great ecept for the intermitant problems we encountered. The fuel line will flow great when we disconnected the fuel feed line from the carb. I think we will compleatley tear down the carb and see if there is something loose and possibly "flaping" into the fuel flow path causing an intermitant restriction. I susspected it was lack of fuel flow because after it starts loosing rpm I could pull it back to idle and run it up to 3300 rpm and it would get the full 3300 but drop off suddenly after 5-10 seconds. I also could get it to rise in rpm if I gave it a shot of primer while it was running rough. We inspected the finger strainer in the carb and it was clean. Do you have much experiance with marvel/schebler carbs? Sincerly Shad "Phillips, Jack" wrote: Good story Shad, and glad it all worked out safely for you. Having had a partial power failure induced forced landing in mine, I know the feeling of sphincter-clinch that grabs hold of you when you hear and feel the engine suddenly not doing right. Do you think the second problem with the engine was sediment in the carburetor? Do you have a fuel filter in the line? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:20 PM Hello Guys, Shad Bell here, what an adventure this past weekend was! It was dissapointing to say the least but what a story. My dad Gary and I headed up for Brodhead on friday morning at 9:30 am from central OH. Fuel stops atevanwertthento Warsaw IN. The only set back untill then was low level scud clouds and an unsceduled fuel stop at Lima OH to wait for clearing skys. I was driving the truck at this point, over to Warsaw for my turn to fly. I get in all fueled up at Warsaw and fly over to "Valpo" IN with no problems. I wait for Dad at Valpo and he bring a couple quarts of oil to keep in the airplane since we have the corvair and run 15w40. So I take off again excited but cautious about the wind at Joliet airport in IL. The WX briefer called for 8-12 ktsout of the NE. Well along I go headed for Joliet and it starts raining lightly, no big deal it's only 8 miles to joliet. HOLY s- - -! I look down and see corn blowing over so hard it looks like waves of water. With out hesitating I punched in awos for joliet and the winds were 26kts gusting to 36 kts at 020 deg, almost directly accross joliets runway. I remember passing a small airport to my east with 2 runways and one of them was halfway in to the wind, so I turned around and realized my ground speed at my 2000 ft alt was close to 30mph. I got to the airport and got her down with no scrapes tears or bruises and the airplane handled it relitivly good. After pretty much flying the piet ( stalls at 34 indicated) to the ramp in blowing light rain I went inside to see if this seemingly abandon airport had weather radar. The airport was Howell / New Lenox airport, and the attendant told me he was leaving to go home shortly but I could put the piet in a T hanger untill the weather cleared. He also let me do something unheard of these days, He gave me the key to the fuel pump and let me pay for how much gas i thought I would need and trusted me not to take more than I paid for. He then told me the sad news of how his airport would be bull-dozed in 10 days for housing developments. After waiting for 3 hrs I accepted I would not make Brodhead on friday I called dad, who was fighting Chicago traffic at 6pm, and said it was no-go and I would like a ride and some food, bed etc etc. He found the airport which is way off the beaten path and we stayed in joliet at the holiday inn. On saturday the sky was clear and the winds light so we went back early and got the piet ready for the 3-4 hrs of flying on up to Brodhead. I was flying and after taking off the engine rpm dropped about 300 rpm, and I remembered that corvairs are very prone to carb ice so I pulled out the carb heat and it raised about 200 rpm so I figured It was OK. I circled the field 3 times to make sure she was going to run and then headed west the 15 miles to joliet. I passed joliet about 2 miles south west of the field and the engine started loosing power badly. At 2400rpm it would just barly hold alt. I turned back to joliet airport and made a scary approach to joliet, with nothing below me but hi-ways, houses and industry. I made the airport without complete power loss and called dad who was only 30 mins away, and told him we need to do some work on the engine. We ended up checking the sediment bowl, it was clean. The carborateor was the next susspect so we took it off , took it apart and cleaned it on the tailgate of his pickup truck (with people looking at us like we were crazy). We found just a little bit of verry fine sediment in the fuel bowl cleaned the bowl and blew out the jets. After getting the carb installed we test ran tied down at full power for 10-12 min. It ran fine and made the full 3300-3400 rpm. Dad test flew around Joliet for 20-30 min and no problems. We fueled up and I was still flying so I went off to the north to Dekalb IL for fuel. The engine was running great and it was a very great flight. Took o fuel at dekalb and headed north to Poplar Grove airport for one last fuel stop before Brodhead. I went in to pay for my fuel and chaked the radar and saw the pop up storms around the Brodhead area, This was about 5pm on sat. I only had 35 miles to go so I taxied out and took off and right after passing the end of the runway on climb out the engine started acting up again, so I circled and landed and called dad. He was near Beloit WI getting the hotel room. He headed down, we ran it and we could duplicate the problem on the ground so we made the decission to truck her home. By this time we are very stressed out 500 miles from home and now we have to find a way to get her home without dammaging her. This is where an uncommonly generous man, Steve Thomas, the owner of Poplar Grove airport let us pull the airplane into his hanger and start pulling the wings. He then offered us use of his 24ft flatbed trailer to haul the piet home. This was VERY appreciated as we had no idea how or what we were going to do with this ordeal. So while the porkchop dinner was being served we were pulling dad's pretty little airplane apart to be shipped home on the back of dad's truck. I guess in hind sight it could have been much much worse. I, my father, and lastly the airplane all live to fly another day. We also foud out that esspecially in our chosen hobby of airplanes and aviation there are generous and out-going people. So to all you fellow Pietenpol enthisiasts : like the Cubs fans say, "There is always next year". Fly safe Shad Bell --------------------------------- See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. --------------------------------- See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Date: Jul 25, 2006
Subject: Brodhead '06
For Larry and those of you who couldn't be there, here's a brief rundown of the weekend. The weather was for the most part, quite nice. The evenings were quite nice for sleeping under the stars. But there were a few periods of rain, or threatening skies. Unfortunately, due to the unsettled weather all around, a few who had planned on attending were not able to make it. Attendance was apparently down as well; the food line-ups didn't seem to be as long as usual, although the parking lot looked pretty full on Saturday. There were, by my count, ten Pietenpol aircraft in attendance - three based at Brodhead, and seven that flew in for the event. Saturday there was a visit by approximately ten vintage biplanes - part of the American Barnstormers Tour - on their way (eventually) to Oshkosh. Sunday morning saw the early departure of many visitors. Most had left by 10:00 AM. It was actually the nicest day of the weekend, weatherwise. Following is a list (in alpha-numerical order) of the Piets in attendance. NX2RN Dick Navratil's A-65 Air Camper NX17RW Bill Rewey,s A-65 Air Camper N34KP Ken Perkins' Ford "A" Air Camper N57TL Tim Mickel's O-200 Air Camper N58TL Bill Emo's Air Camper (twin to N57TL) NX497AR Lowell Frank's Radial-engined Air Camper NX899EM Dennis Hall's Ford "A" Sky Scout NX899H "the Last Original" Corvair Air Camper NX18235 Cardinal/Johnson A-65 Air Camper And one unidentified Piet from one of the hangars at Brodhead, that came out for a couple of flights, but didn't park with the others. Ken Perkins', Bill Rewey's and Tim Mickel's planes were hopping rides most of the time on Saturday. I've attached a few lower resolution pictures, and I will post some more to Photoshare in the next few days. Bill C. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of lnawms(at)fuse.net Sent: July 24, 2006 11:16 PM Ok, what's the scoop on the reunion for those who got weathered out or otherwise didn't make it. Was the turn-out good, was the weather good, was the food good? Inquiring minds want to know!! Larry ps. pictures would be nice............ ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Gary Gower <ggower_99(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 25, 2006
Subject: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure
Shad, Just to complete the fuel system check task, take a look (clean) the shut off valve below the tank and take a look at the finger strainer, if in the tank, Also take a look inside the tank with a lamp and a mirror, if it was sloshed (?) (sealed) some products are afected by some auto fuel and peel off, we had a case like that in an aluminum aux tank from a Kitfox... peeled off like cheap paint.... was factory sealed several years ago. All posibilities (in reasson) should be checked out. Hope this helps. Saludos Gary Gower Flying from Chapala, Mexico. No Piet but in the list for years. shad bell wrote: Hello Jack, We are suspecting that there may be debris partially blocking the fuel flow into the carb. We just got it unloaded today but have not worked on it yet. When we had it appart we did not find any hard evidence as to what was causing the problem. The strangest thig is that it ran fine for 45hrs and even the flight to Brodhead it was running great ecept for the intermitant problems we encountered. The fuel line will flow great when we disconnected the fuel feed line from the carb. I think we will compleatley tear down the carb and see if there is something loose and possibly "flaping" into the fuel flow path causing an intermitant restriction. I susspected it was lack of fuel flow because after it starts loosing rpm I could pull it back to idle and run it up to 3300 rpm and it would get the full 3300 but drop off suddenly after 5-10 seconds. I also could get it to rise in rpm if I gave it a shot of primer while it was running rough. We inspected the finger strainer in the carb and it was clean. Do you have much experiance with marvel/schebler carbs? Sincerly Shad "Phillips, Jack" wrote: Good story Shad, and glad it all worked out safely for you. Having had a partial power failure induced forced landing in mine, I know the feeling of sphincter-clinch that grabs hold of you when you hear and feel the engine suddenly not doing right. Do you think the second problem with the engine was sediment in the carburetor? Do you have a fuel filter in the line? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:20 PM Hello Guys, Shad Bell here, what an adventure this past weekend was! It was dissapointing to say the least but what a story. My dad Gary and I headed up for Brodhead on friday morning at 9:30 am from central OH. Fuel stops atevanwertthento Warsaw IN. The only set back untill then was low level scud clouds and an unsceduled fuel stop at Lima OH to wait for clearing skys. I was driving the truck at this point, over to Warsaw for my turn to fly. I get in all fueled up at Warsaw and fly over to "Valpo" IN with no problems. I wait for Dad at Valpo and he bring a couple quarts of oil to keep in the airplane since we have the corvair and run 15w40. So I take off again excited but cautious about the wind at Joliet airport in IL. The WX briefer called for 8-12 ktsout of the NE. Well along I go headed for Joliet and it starts raining lightly, no big deal it's only 8 miles to joliet. HOLY s- - -! I look down and see corn blowing over so hard it looks like waves of water. With out hesitating I punched in awos for joliet and the winds were 26kts gusting to 36 kts at 020 deg, almost directly accross joliets runway. I remember passing a small airport to my east with 2 runways and one of them was halfway in to the wind, so I turned around and realized my ground speed at my 2000 ft alt was close to 30mph. I got to the airport and got her down with no scrapes tears or bruises and the airplane handled it relitivly good. After pretty much flying the piet ( stalls at 34 indicated) to the ramp in blowing light rain I went inside to see if this seemingly abandon airport had weather radar. The airport was Howell / New Lenox airport, and the attendant told me he was leaving to go home shortly but I could put the piet in a T hanger untill the weather cleared. He also let me do something unheard of these days, He gave me the key to the fuel pump and let me pay for how much gas i thought I would need and trusted me not to take more than I paid for. He then told me the sad news of how his airport would be bull-dozed in 10 days for housing developments. After waiting for 3 hrs I accepted I would not make Brodhead on friday I called dad, who was fighting Chicago traffic at 6pm, and said it was no-go and I would like a ride and some food, bed etc etc. He found the airport which is way off the beaten path and we stayed in joliet at the holiday inn. On saturday the sky was clear and the winds light so we went back early and got the piet ready for the 3-4 hrs of flying on up to Brodhead. I was flying and after taking off the engine rpm dropped about 300 rpm, and I remembered that corvairs are very prone to carb ice so I pulled out the carb heat and it raised about 200 rpm so I figured It was OK. I circled the field 3 times to make sure she was going to run and then headed west the 15 miles to joliet. I passed joliet about 2 miles south west of the field and the engine started loosing power badly. At 2400rpm it would just barly hold alt. I turned back to joliet airport and made a scary approach to joliet, with nothing below me but hi-ways, houses and industry. I made the airport without complete power loss and called dad who was only 30 mins away, and told him we need to do some work on the engine. We ended up checking the sediment bowl, it was clean. The carborateor was the next susspect so we took it off , took it apart and cleaned it on the tailgate of his pickup truck (with people looking at us like we were crazy). We found just a little bit of verry fine sediment in the fuel bowl cleaned the bowl and blew out the jets. After getting the carb installed we test ran tied down at full power for 10-12 min. It ran fine and made the full 3300-3400 rpm. Dad test flew around Joliet for 20-30 min and no problems. We fueled up and I was still flying so I went off to the north to Dekalb IL for fuel. The engine was running great and it was a very great flight. Took o fuel at dekalb and headed north to Poplar Grove airport for one last fuel stop before Brodhead. I went in to pay for my fuel and chaked the radar and saw the pop up storms around the Brodhead area, This was about 5pm on sat. I only had 35 miles to go so I taxied out and took off and right after passing the end of the runway on climb out the engine started acting up again, so I circled and landed and called dad. He was near Beloit WI getting the hotel room. He headed down, we ran it and we could duplicate the problem on the ground so we made the decission to truck her home. By this time we are very stressed out 500 miles from home and now we have to find a way to get her home without dammaging her. This is where an uncommonly generous man, Steve Thomas, the owner of Poplar Grove airport let us pull the airplane into his hanger and start pulling the wings. He then offered us use of his 24ft flatbed trailer to haul the piet home. This was VERY appreciated as we had no idea how or what we were going to do with this ordeal. So while the porkchop dinner was being served we were pulling dad's pretty little airplane apart to be shipped home on the back of dad's truck. I guess in hind sight it could have been much much worse. I, my father, and lastly the airplane all live to fly another day. We also foud out that esspecially in our chosen hobby of airplanes and aviation there are generous and out-going people. So to all you fellow Pietenpol enthisiasts : like the Cubs fans say, "There is always next year". Fly safe Shad --------------------------------- See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "bike.mike" <bike.mike(at)charter.net>
Date: Jul 25, 2006
Subject: Re: Brodhead '06
Looking at Bill Church's photo of NX899EM, Dennis Hall's pretty red and black Ford "A" Sky Scout... I'm not familiar with Scout landing gear so don't know if Dennis' is to plans or if he has something special. Can someone illuminate for me? Mike Hardaway ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Date: Jul 25, 2006
Subject: Brodhead '06
Mike, The landing gear is per plans (although I've never seen the Sky Scout plans, personally). Dennis said he had to work a bit to get the wheels to track straight. But then, once the springs compress a bit, the alignment changes too, so he has them to track straight under "normal" compression. I have read somewhere that Bernard Pietenpol later said that the Sky Scout gear is too much work, and should probably be the same as the Air Camper gear. But it does look cool. So, to answer your question, Yes, Dennis' gear is to plans, and Yes, he does have something special. Bill C -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bike.mike Sent: July 25, 2006 1:31 PM --> Looking at Bill Church's photo of NX899EM, Dennis Hall's pretty red and black Ford "A" Sky Scout... I'm not familiar with Scout landing gear so don't know if Dennis' is to plans or if he has something special. Can someone illuminate for me? Mike Hardaway ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Bacon" <gbacon67(at)hughes.net>
Date: Jul 25, 2006
Subject: Harley-Davidson powered aircraft
Does anyone know the model of the biplane with the harley engine that is in one of the hangars at Brodhead? Thanks, Greg Bacon Prairie Home, Missouri ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "M&M Stanley" <m2wal(at)nifty.com>
Date: Jul 26, 2006
Subject: Re: Brodhead '06
Hi Bill, Thanks for the photos and brief rundown on Brodhead. It was a welcome sight to hear something about what went on this year. I remember last year hanging out to see some shots after the event, so from those of us who couldn't get there,... good on ya!! Thanks! Mark S Hot'nHumid Japan ----- Original Message ----- >For Larry and those of you who couldn't be there, here's a brief rundown >of the weekend. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 26, 2006
Subject: checking fuel tank with flashlight
guys, I've always wondered about this one. Isn't there an inherent danger in shining a flashlight down into a fuel tank with vapors present? Is the odds of ignition so long that we dont consider them? or should we be wary of doing this and figure out a different way to get light in there? Have one friend who lost an eye playing with a gas tank, and another killed three months ago playing with an oil tank outside his home. Douwe Re the harley powered biplane. If it's the red fuse, clear doped wing one. I knew the name, but can't remember it right now. I think I was told it was a very early homebuilt design. Did it fly this year? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca>
Date: Jul 26, 2006
Subject: checking fuel tank with flashlight
I have never heard of a flashlight causing ignition of gas fumes.Turn the flashlight on well away from the opening and shut it off well away from the opening and I don't see a problem. ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: July 26, 2006 9:24 AM guys, I've always wondered about this one. Isn't there an inherent danger in shining a flashlight down into a fuel tank with vapors present? Is the odds of ignition so long that we dont consider them? or should we be wary of doing this and figure out a different way to get light in there? Have one friend who lost an eye playing with a gas tank, and another killed three months ago playing with an oil tank outside his home. Douwe Re the harley powered biplane. If it's the red fuse, clear doped wing one. I knew the name, but can't remember it right now. I think I was told it was a very early homebuilt design. Did it fly this year? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Conkling" <hpvs(at)southwind.net>
Date: Jul 26, 2006
Subject: Re: Harley-Davidson powered aircraft
"Baby Bomber" (!?) a late 1920's design -- It was started & running in 2005 -- it broke the tail skid on the way out to takeoff! ;-( Mike C. Pretty Prairie, KS ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Bacon To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 11:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Harley-Davidson powered aircraft Does anyone know the model of the biplane with the harley engine that is in one of the hangars at Brodhead? Thanks, Greg Bacon Prairie Home, Missouri ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Date: Jul 26, 2006
Subject: Brodhead '06
No problem, Mark. I know I would be anxious to see some pictures if I hadn't been there. I have just posted some higher resolution shots to Photoshare, so they should show up in a week or so. Bill C. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of M&M Stanley Sent: July 26, 2006 9:00 AM Hi Bill, Thanks for the photos and brief rundown on Brodhead. It was a welcome sight to hear something about what went on this year. I remember last year hanging out to see some shots after the event, so from those of us who couldn't get there,... good on ya!! Thanks! Mark S Hot'nHumid Japan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort(at)alfalaval.com>
Date: Jul 26, 2006
Subject: Re: checking fuel tank with flashlight
Douwe, Yes, there is always a danger of igniting the fuel. But for this to happen, three things need to be present at the same time. Oxygen, Fuel and Heat (ignition source) take any of these away any your risk is greatly reduced. I this case Oxygen and Fuel are ever present, but the Heat (ignition source) we can avoid Recommendations: Use a low voltage light source, flash lights with few batteries do not spark as easily as a automotive drop light (110 Volts) Use a flash light that is thightly sealed, Maglights and similar design are typically moisture proof and will have barriers for fumes to enter. Use a flash light in a well ventilated area. Use the flash light outside the tank. Do not enter the Tank with the flash light, ever ! There are special flashlight for hazardous areas. Look for explosion proof flash lights or Class 1 Div 2 lights, they are common in the Oil &Gas business (not cheap) Another tidbit, Gasoline fumes are heavier than air, without proper ventilation they will hug the ground or in the bottom of your fuselage. If you suspect a leak, do not start looking in your fuselage with a ignition source. Hans. "Douwe Blumberg" To Sent by: "pietenpolgroup" owner-pietenpol-l ist-server@matron cc ics.com Subject Pietenpol-List: checking fuel tank 07/26/2006 08:23 with flashlight AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com guys, I've always wondered about this one. Isn't there an inherent danger in shining a flashlight down into a fuel tank with vapors present? Is the odds of ignition so long that we dont consider them? or should we be wary of doing this and figure out a different way to get light in there? Have one friend who lost an eye playing with a gas tank, and another killed three months ago playing with an oil tank outside his home. Douwe Re the harley powered biplane. If it's the red fuse, clear doped wing one. I knew the name, but can't remember it right now. I think I was told it was a very early homebuilt design. Did it fly this year? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Date: Jul 26, 2006
Subject: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure
We had an a/c quality fuel hose whose inner lining separated. When disconnected from the carb, fuel flowed very well. However, as we moved the hose back into position to re-attach to the carb (this put a curve in the hose), flow stopped. We removed the hose and looked through it while bending and we could see the inner lining flexing and crumpling. Possibly the old aviation fuel hose couldn't take modern auto fuel? Just one more thing for you to check. Our new fuel line has no bends and it was obtained at AutoZone Aircraft Supplies... >Hello Jack, We are suspecting that there may be debris partially >blocking the fuel flow into the carb. We just got it unloaded today >but have not worked on it yet. When we had it appart we did not >find any hard evidence as to what was causing the problem. The >strangest thig is that it ran fine for 45hrs and even the flight to >Brodhead it was running great ecept for the intermitant problems we >encountered. The fuel line will flow great when we disconnected the >fuel feed line from the carb. I think we will compleatley tear down >the carb and see if there is something loose and possibly "flaping" >into the fuel flow path causing an intermitant restriction. I >susspected it was lack of fuel flow because after it starts loosing >rpm I could pull it back to idle and run it up to 3300 rpm and it >would get the full 3300 but drop off suddenly after 5-10 seconds. I >also could get it to rise in rpm if I gave it a shot of primer while >it was running rough. We inspected the finger strainer in the carb >and it was clean. Do you have much experiance with marvel/schebler >carbs? >Sincerly >Shad > >"Phillips, Jack" wrote: > >Good story Shad, and glad it all worked out safely for you. Having >had a partial power failure induced forced landing in mine, I know >the feeling of sphincter-clinch that grabs hold of you when you hear >and feel the engine suddenly not doing right. > >Do you think the second problem with the engine was sediment in the >carburetor? Do you have a fuel filter in the line? > >Jack Phillips >NX899JP >Raleigh, NC > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad >bell >Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:20 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure > >Hello Guys, >Shad Bell here, what an adventure this past weekend was! It was >dissapointing to say the least but what a story. My dad Gary and I >headed up for Brodhead on friday morning at 9:30 am from central OH. >Fuel stops atevanwertthento Warsaw IN. The only set back untill >then was low level scud clouds and an unsceduled fuel stop at Lima >OH to wait for clearing skys. I was driving the truck at this >point, over to Warsaw for my turn to fly. I get in all fueled up at >Warsaw and fly over to "Valpo" IN with no problems. I wait for Dad >at Valpo and he bring a couple quarts of oil to keep in the airplane >since we have the corvair and run 15w40. So I take off again >excited but cautious about the wind at Joliet airport in IL. The WX >briefer called for 8-12 ktsout of the NE. Well along I go headed >for Joliet and it starts raining lightly, no big deal it's only 8 >miles to joliet. HOLY s- - -! I look down and see corn blowing over >so hard it looks like waves of water. With out hesitating I punched >in awos for joliet and the winds were 26kts gusting to 36 kts at 020 >deg, almost directly accross joliets runway. I remember passing a >small airport to my east with 2 runways and one of them was halfway >in to the wind, so I turned around and realized my ground speed at >my 2000 ft alt was close to 30mph. I got to the airport and got her >down with no scrapes tears or bruises and the airplane handled it >relitivly good. After pretty much flying the piet ( stalls at 34 >indicated) to the ramp in blowing light rain I went inside to see if >this seemingly abandon airport had weather radar. The airport was >Howell / New Lenox airport, and the attendant told me he was leaving >to go home shortly but I could put the piet in a T hanger untill the >weather cleared. He also let me do something unheard of these days, >He gave me the key to the fuel pump and let me pay for how much gas >i thought I would need and trusted me not to take more than I paid >for. He then told me the sad news of how his airport would be >bull-dozed in 10 days for housing developments. After waiting for 3 >hrs I accepted I would not make Brodhead on friday I called dad, who >was fighting Chicago traffic at 6pm, and said it was no-go and I >would like a ride and some food, bed etc etc. He found the airport >which is way off the beaten path and we stayed in joliet at the >holiday inn. On saturday the sky was clear and the winds light so we >went back early and got the piet ready for the 3-4 hrs of flying on >up to Brodhead. I was flying and after taking off the engine rpm >dropped about 300 rpm, and I remembered that corvairs are very prone >to carb ice so I pulled out the carb heat and it raised about 200 >rpm so I figured It was OK. I circled the field 3 times to make >sure she was going to run and then headed west the 15 miles to >joliet. I passed joliet about 2 miles south west of the field and >the engine started loosing power badly. At 2400rpm it would just >barly hold alt. I turned back to joliet airport and made a scary >approach to joliet, with nothing below me but hi-ways, houses and >industry. I made the airport without complete power loss and called >dad who was only 30 mins away, and told him we need to do some work >on the engine. We ended up checking the sediment bowl, it was >clean. The carborateor was the next susspect so we took it off , >took it apart and cleaned it on the tailgate of his pickup truck >(with people looking at us like we were crazy). We found just a >little bit of verry fine sediment in the fuel bowl cleaned the bowl >and blew out the jets. After getting the carb installed we test ran >tied down at full power for 10-12 min. It ran fine and made the >full 3300-3400 rpm. Dad test flew around Joliet for 20-30 min and no >problems. We fueled up and I was still flying so I went off to the >north to Dekalb IL for fuel. The engine was running great and it >was a very great flight. Took o fuel at dekalb and headed north to >Poplar Grove airport for one last fuel stop before Brodhead. I went >in to pay for my fuel and chaked the radar and saw the pop up storms >around the Brodhead area, This was about 5pm on sat. I only had 35 >miles to go so I taxied out and took off and right after passing the >end of the runway on climb out the engine started acting up again, >so I circled and landed and called dad. He was near Beloit WI >getting the hotel room. He headed down, we ran it and we could >duplicate the problem on the ground so we made the decission to >truck her home. By this time we are very stressed out 500 miles >from home and now we have to find a way to get her home without >dammaging her. This is where an uncommonly generous man, Steve >Thomas, the owner of Poplar Grove airport let us pull the airplane >into his hanger and start pulling the wings. He then offered us use >of his 24ft flatbed trailer to haul the piet home. This was VERY >appreciated as we had no idea how or what we were going to do with >this ordeal. So while the porkchop dinner was being served we were >pulling dad's pretty little airplane apart to be shipped home on the >back of dad's truck. I guess in hind sight it could have been much >much worse. I, my father, and lastly the airplane all live to fly >another day. We also foud out that esspecially in our chosen hobby >of airplanes and aviation there are generous and out-going people. >So to all you fellow Pietenpol enthisiasts : like the Cubs fans say, >"There is always next year". >Fly safe >Shad > >See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. ><http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40762/*http://www.yahoo.com/preview> >Check it out. -- _____________________________________________________________ Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis mailto:jboatri(at)emory.edu ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Date: Jul 26, 2006
Subject: Re: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure
RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead atempt, What an adventurecould it be that the auto fuel had alcohol in it? It might attack the rubber in the hose. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Boatright To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 2:07 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure We had an a/c quality fuel hose whose inner lining separated. When disconnected from the carb, fuel flowed very well. However, as we moved the hose back into position to re-attach to the carb (this put a curve in the hose), flow stopped. We removed the hose and looked through it while bending and we could see the inner lining flexing and crumpling. Possibly the old aviation fuel hose couldn't take modern auto fuel? Just one more thing for you to check. Our new fuel line has no bends and it was obtained at AutoZone Aircraft Supplies... Hello Jack, We are suspecting that there may be debris partially blocking the fuel flow into the carb. We just got it unloaded today but have not worked on it yet. When we had it appart we did not find any hard evidence as to what was causing the problem. The strangest thig is that it ran fine for 45hrs and even the flight to Brodhead it was running great ecept for the intermitant problems we encountered. The fuel line will flow great when we disconnected the fuel feed line from the carb. I think we will compleatley tear down the carb and see if there is something loose and possibly "flaping" into the fuel flow path causing an intermitant restriction. I susspected it was lack of fuel flow because after it starts loosing rpm I could pull it back to idle and run it up to 3300 rpm and it would get the full 3300 but drop off suddenly after 5-10 seconds. I also could get it to rise in rpm if I gave it a shot of primer while it was running rough. We inspected the finger strainer in the carb and it was clean. Do you have much experiance with marvel/schebler carbs? Sincerly Shad "Phillips, Jack" wrote: Good story Shad, and glad it all worked out safely for you. Having had a partial power failure induced forced landing in mine, I know the feeling of sphincter-clinch that grabs hold of you when you hear and feel the engine suddenly not doing right. Do you think the second problem with the engine was sediment in the carburetor? Do you have a fuel filter in the line? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:20 PM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure Hello Guys, Shad Bell here, what an adventure this past weekend was! It was dissapointing to say the least but what a story. My dad Gary and I headed up for Brodhead on friday morning at 9:30 am from central OH. Fuel stops atevanwertthento Warsaw IN. The only set back untill then was low level scud clouds and an unsceduled fuel stop at Lima OH to wait for clearing skys. I was driving the truck at this point, over to Warsaw for my turn to fly. I get in all fueled up at Warsaw and fly over to "Valpo" IN with no problems. I wait for Dad at Valpo and he bring a couple quarts of oil to keep in the airplane since we have the corvair and run 15w40. So I take off again excited but cautious about the wind at Joliet airport in IL. The WX briefer called for 8-12 ktsout of the NE. Well along I go headed for Joliet and it starts raining lightly, no big deal it's only 8 miles to joliet. HOLY s- - -! I look down and see corn blowing over so hard it looks like waves of water. With out hesitating I punched in awos for joliet and the winds were 26kts gusting to 36 kts at 020 deg, almost directly accross joliets runway. I remember passing a small airport to my east with 2 runways and one of them was halfway in to the wind, so I turned around and realized my ground speed at my 2000 ft alt was close to 30mph. I got to the airport and got her down with no scrapes tears or bruises and the airplane handled it relitivly good. After pretty much flying the piet ( stalls at 34 indicated) to the ramp in blowing light rain I went inside to see if this seemingly abandon airport had weather radar. The airport was Howell / New Lenox airport, and the attendant told me he was leaving to go home shortly but I could put the piet in a T hanger untill the weather cleared. He also let me do something unheard of these days, He gave me the key to the fuel pump and let me pay for how much gas i thought I would need and trusted me not to take more than I paid for. He then told me the sad news of how his airport would be bull-dozed in 10 days for housing developments. After waiting for 3 hrs I accepted I would not make Brodhead on friday I called dad, who was fighting Chicago traffic at 6pm, and said it was no-go and I would like a ride and some food, bed etc etc. He found the airport which is way off the beaten path and we stayed in joliet at the holiday inn. On saturday the sky was clear and the winds light so we went back early and got the piet ready for the 3-4 hrs of flying on up to Brodhead. I was flying and after taking off the engine rpm dropped about 300 rpm, and I remembered that corvairs are very prone to carb ice so I pulled out the carb heat and it raised about 200 rpm so I figured It was OK. I circled the field 3 times to make sure she was going to run and then headed west the 15 miles to joliet. I passed joliet about 2 miles south west of the field and the engine started loosing power badly. At 2400rpm it would just barly hold alt. I turned back to joliet airport and made a scary approach to joliet, with nothing below me but hi-ways, houses and industry. I made the airport without complete power loss and called dad who was only 30 mins away, and told him we need to do some work on the engine. We ended up checking the sediment bowl, it was clean. The carborateor was the next susspect so we took it off , took it apart and cleaned it on the tailgate of his pickup truck (with people looking at us like we were crazy). We found just a little bit of verry fine sediment in the fuel bowl cleaned the bowl and blew out the jets. After getting the carb installed we test ran tied down at full power for 10-12 min. It ran fine and made the full 3300-3400 rpm. Dad test flew around Joliet for 20-30 min and no problems. We fueled up and I was still flying so I went off to the north to Dekalb IL for fuel. The engine was running great and it was a very great flight. Took o fuel at dekalb and headed north to Poplar Grove airport for one last fuel stop before Brodhead. I went in to pay for my fuel and chaked the radar and saw the pop up storms around the Brodhead area, This was about 5pm on sat. I only had 35 miles to go so I taxied out and took off and right after passing the end of the runway on climb out the engine started acting up again, so I circled and landed and called dad. He was near Beloit WI getting the hotel room. He headed down, we ran it and we could duplicate the problem on the ground so we made the decission to truck her home. By this time we are very stressed out 500 miles from home and now we have to find a way to get her home without dammaging her. This is where an uncommonly generous man, Steve Thomas, the owner of Poplar Grove airport let us pull the airplane into his hanger and start pulling the wings. He then offered us use of his 24ft flatbed trailer to haul the piet home. This was VERY appreciated as we had no idea how or what we were going to do with this ordeal. So while the porkchop dinner was being served we were pulling dad's pretty little airplane apart to be shipped home on the back of dad's truck. I guess in hind sight it could have been much much worse. I, my father, and lastly the airplane all live to fly another day. We also foud out that esspecially in our chosen hobby of airplanes and aviation there are generous and out-going people. So to all you fellow Pietenpol enthisiasts : like the Cubs fans say, "There is always next year". Fly safe Shad ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. -- _____________________________________________________________ Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis mailto:jboatri(at)emory.edu ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Date: Jul 26, 2006
Subject: Re: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure
That's what we suspect. We've been running avgas exclusively, but the former owner used whatever was to hand. >could it be that the auto fuel had alcohol in it? It might attack >the rubber in the hose. >Barry > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:jboatri(at)emory.edu>Jeff Boatright >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 2:07 PM >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure > >We had an a/c quality fuel hose whose inner lining separated. When >disconnected from the carb, fuel flowed very well. However, as we >moved the hose back into position to re-attach to the carb (this put >a curve in the hose), flow stopped. We removed the hose and looked >through it while bending and we could see the inner lining flexing >and crumpling. Possibly the old aviation fuel hose couldn't take >modern auto fuel? > >Just one more thing for you to check. > >Our new fuel line has no bends and it was obtained at AutoZone >Aircraft Supplies... > -- _____________________________________________________________ Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis mailto:jboatri(at)emory.edu ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mark Blackwell <markb1958(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jul 26, 2006
Subject: Re: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure
I think almost if not all auto gas now has at least some alcohol in it now and the signs on the pump I do not think they have to disclose it anymore unless the concentration is quite high. Jeff Boatright wrote: > That's what we suspect. We've been running avgas exclusively, but the > former owner used whatever was to hand. > >> could it be that the auto fuel had alcohol in it? It might attack the >> rubber in the hose. >> Barry >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* Jeff Boatright >> >> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 26, 2006 2:07 PM >> >> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure >> >> >> We had an a/c quality fuel hose whose inner lining separated. >> When disconnected from the carb, fuel flowed very well. However, >> as we moved the hose back into position to re-attach to the carb >> (this put a curve in the hose), flow stopped. We removed the hose >> and looked through it while bending and we could see the inner >> lining flexing and crumpling. Possibly the old aviation fuel hose >> couldn't take modern auto fuel? >> >> >> Just one more thing for you to check. >> >> >> Our new fuel line has no bends and it was obtained at AutoZone >> Aircraft Supplies... >> >> > > -- > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD > Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA > Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis > mailto:jboatri(at)emory.edu ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)mn.rr.com>
Date: Jul 26, 2006
Subject: Re: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure
Here is a link to a list of gas stations in Minnesota that sell non-oxygenated gasoline. http://www.msra.com/NonOxygenatedFuel/NonOxygenated%20Fuel%20List%2006.01.06.pdf I got the list through the Minnesota Street Rod Association website. Check with your own state's street rod association for availibility. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 4:56 PM > > > I think almost if not all auto gas now has at least some alcohol in it now > and the signs on the pump I do not think they have to disclose it anymore > unless the concentration is quite high. > Jeff Boatright wrote: >> That's what we suspect. We've been running avgas exclusively, but the >> former owner used whatever was to hand. >> >>> could it be that the auto fuel had alcohol in it? It might attack the >>> rubber in the hose. >>> Barry >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> *From:* Jeff Boatright >>> >>> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>> >>> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 26, 2006 2:07 PM >>> >>> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure >>> >>> >>> We had an a/c quality fuel hose whose inner lining separated. >>> When disconnected from the carb, fuel flowed very well. However, >>> as we moved the hose back into position to re-attach to the carb >>> (this put a curve in the hose), flow stopped. We removed the hose >>> and looked through it while bending and we could see the inner >>> lining flexing and crumpling. Possibly the old aviation fuel hose >>> couldn't take modern auto fuel? >>> >>> >>> Just one more thing for you to check. >>> >>> >>> Our new fuel line has no bends and it was obtained at AutoZone >>> Aircraft Supplies... >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> _____________________________________________________________ >> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD >> Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA >> Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis >> mailto:jboatri(at)emory.edu > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 26, 2006
Subject: DVD Video - 'Building NX770CG' now available
Hey All, The video 'Building NX770CG' is Now Available. 1 hr 52 min $20 As you all know, there's more than one way to skin a cat...this video is a detailed look at how I did the Airframe on NX770CG. There has been quite a response about when I would have this video available, and I finally had it all finished up in time to bring some to Brodhead with me, well I didn't make Brodhead, and you know the rest of the story. Weather is always the key issue for how many Pietenpols show up at Brodhead. You can go to my web page - scroll to the bottom http://nx770cg.com/Video.html or e-mail me direct for more information, and quicker response to receiving the video. This video editing and producing is quite challenging, and I would be very interested in what your thoughts are about the video - what to leave in, what to take out, and what to add. It's kind of a balancing act about what to include, because only a certain amount of bits and bytes can be burned onto a DVD disc. The time - 1 hr 52 min - is almost the limit, without reducing the visual & audio quality of the video. Chuck G. NX770CG p.s. I also have my first video - 'Flying NX770CG' ready to go, too. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <lnawms(at)fuse.net>
Date: Jul 27, 2006
Subject: Larry and Adriana email address change
We're Homeless!! (but only for a time) So-o-o-o we had to change our email address. We don't want to lose you. Please change it to lnawms(at)yahoo.com. It is effective as of now. Love ya all, Larry and Adriana ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "GlennThomas(at)flyingwood.com" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Date: Jul 27, 2006
Subject: Re: Brodhead '06
I talked with Dennis about his Scout's landing gear. He says they are to the Scout plans ...and they do look very nice as does his whole plane. Glenn W. Thomas Storrs, CT http://www.flyingwood.com ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 1:09 PM > > Looking at Bill Church's photo of NX899EM, Dennis Hall's pretty red and > black Ford "A" Sky Scout... > I'm not familiar with Scout landing gear so don't know if Dennis' is to > plans or if he has something special. > Can someone illuminate for me? > Mike Hardaway > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Wizzard187(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 27, 2006
Subject: Re: jet sizes
Pieters, I have a 75 hp cont with a 65 marvel schebler carb. and it cranks up to 1950 rpms and "pops" out. Does anyone know the main power jet size for a 75 hp cont. I was running it with an airbox and no filter and it would crap out at 1800 and then I put on a Bracken air filter and it went up to 1950. Problems might be: float level, mixture control flow or power jet size. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, In HOT HOT Iowa Ken Conrad, Long Grove ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 29, 2006
Subject: Double quarter plus
Pieters, Please excuse me for butting in but this age bit has become increasingly amusing. Since I am no longer a participating Pieter I really have no right to use this forum as a pulpit. However I just can't help but compare the recent comments concerning ages with the second Lieutenants doing WWII bragging of their dates of rank. As was commonly known that rank amoung 2nd Lts. could be closely compared with virginity amounst whore. No offense intended. You'all keep aging and building and send me a pic now and then of your progress. I'm not dead yet. Corky who will have a birthday next Wednesday. I'll be " hatchi ju san "or quatre-vingus trois or achtzig drei. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ed G." <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 29, 2006
Subject: Re: Double quarter plus
Good to hear from you Corky...I have no idea what " hatchi ju san" or quatre-vingus trois acttzig drei means but you are truly a role model in my life...Anyone who can build and fly Pietenpols, Drink mint julips and honor his bride at an age that I will probably never see is truely an inspiration.....Happy Birthday next Wednesday and many more...I hung the old Franklin on the nose of my Piet this week....still plugging away .....Ed G. in Fl. Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com<mailto:Isablcorky(at)aol.com> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 3:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Double quarter plus Pieters, Please excuse me for butting in but this age bit has become increasingly amusing. Since I am no longer a participating Pieter I really have no right to use this forum as a pulpit. However I just can't help but compare the recent comments concerning ages with the second Lieutenants doing WWII bragging of their dates of rank. As was commonly known that rank amoung 2nd Lts. could be closely compared with virginity amounst whore. No offense intended. You'all keep aging and building and send me a pic now and then of your progress. I'm not dead yet. Corky who will have a birthday next Wednesday. I'll be " hatchi ju san "or quatre-vingus trois or achtzig drei. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 29, 2006
Subject: Re: the double-nickel
I have one year on you Oscar at 56. And it is a good point you make Mark about the majority of general aviation and especially homebuilders being us old farts. But its not like EAA is not trying to do something about it. They had a huge KidVenture tent at Oshkosh this year and in addition to all the normal kid activities they had a sheet metal riveting section. I couldn't believe it there were kids as young as 6 years old doing pulled and bucked riviting to make a foot square rudder section that they could take home. Their were as many girls as boys doing this and I talked to one kids dad who said it was so popular that they had been waiting two days to get their kids in there. I think if I would have done something like that when I was 6 I would have gotten into homebuilding several decades earlier. Have to give credit to Vans who I believe donated all the riviting kits for the kids, must have cost them a bunch. Rick H. On 7/29/06, Mark Blackwell wrote: > > markb1958(at)verizon.net> > > Well I am 47 and that is what I am seeing most everywhere. Its actually > the greatest concern I have for the future of aviation. Those that are > young today learning to fly today are learning with the intent of being > airline pilots. Once they get that airline job, many if not most walk > away from general aviation. Very few are just learning to fly because > they want to learn to fly. Those that are, just are not the kid at the > fence anymore. They are old guys like us that are much more likely to > fly only a short time before a medical issue steps up and gets in the way. > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 29, 2006
Subject: Re: Double quarter plus
You hit it Gordon. The nicest thing I remember is at 81 I was flying 41CC like a big bird and having the time of my life without any fear from sudden health failure. It was the drive home from the airport that scared hell out of me. Don't sweat this age business. Live moderately, drink good whiskey and marry a beautiful woman and maybe some of you will be Pietering around in your ku ju ku's. Corky ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jul 29, 2006
Subject: Re: Double quarter plus
Corky et al, Ain't life Grand! walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 9:58 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Double quarter plus You hit it Gordon. The nicest thing I remember is at 81 I was flying 41CC like a big bird and having the time of my life without any fear from sudden health failure. It was the drive home from the airport that scared hell out of me. Don't sweat this age business. Live moderately, drink good whiskey and marry a beautiful woman and maybe some of you will be Pietering around in your ku ju ku's. Corky ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 29, 2006
Subject: Re: Double quarter plus
You said it pad'ner ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2006
Subject: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Bill Church Lists: Pietenpol-List Subject: Brodhead 2006 http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/eng@canadianrogers.com.2.07.30.2006/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------- o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures(at)matronics.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2006
Subject: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Bill Church Lists: Pietenpol-List Subject: Brodhead 2006 - Non-Pietenpols http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/eng@canadianrogers.com.1.07.30.2006/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------- o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures(at)matronics.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "D.Reid" <dreidjax(at)alltel.net>
Date: Jul 30, 2006
Subject: GREAT pics Bill...
...thanks for sharing. Dave...down in florida ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jul 30, 2006
Subject: Thanks Bill church
Thanks , to take the time to take and share some great pics. I never get tired of seeing great workmanship. walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2006
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 07/29/06
Graham If I live to be 78 I really hope I have the enthusiam you have to keep building airplanes (not to mention the health to keep flying). My hats off to you and keep us updated on how your project is doing. Rick H On 7/30/06, Graham and Robyn wrote: > > grhewitt(at)globaldial.com> > > What are you bum's bragging about, I have just started my Piet at an age > of 78, but I have 7000 hrs on tail draggers. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu>
Date: Jul 31, 2006
Subject: Double quarter plus
90's... that's my goal Steve E. Corky, where did you pick up your Japanese! ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Isablcorky(at)aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 7:58 PM You hit it Gordon. The nicest thing I remember is at 81 I was flying 41CC like a big bird and having the time of my life without any fear from sudden health failure. It was the drive home from the airport that scared hell out of me. Don't sweat this age business. Live moderately, drink good whiskey and marry a beautiful woman and maybe some of you will be Pietering around in your ku ju ku's. Corky ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Arden Adamson" <aadamson(at)wnmdag.org>
Date: Jul 31, 2006
Subject: double nickel
Hey guys, One of you said it best. Age is in the mind. I tell people I'm a 39 year old man trapped in a 64 year old body. As long as there is the will (& physical health permits) one can build a plane and fly. This week I put the tail feather hinges on and clamped it all to the Piet fuselage tail. Wow! What inspiration that is to progress. I've been flying for 30 years but creating a plane with one's own two hands is a blast. For all you guys that brought your Piets to Brodhead-----thanks much. I flew my Skyhawk there Saturday to spend the day and enjoyed the fly-in immensely. Flew home that evening going around a couple rain storms. Got many questions answered there and met new friends. Here's another question: I'm building the Jenny style landing gear. If I use motorcycle wheels, which brand/size is most recommended for use with disc brakes? Any help would be appreciated. Arden Adamson Waupaca, WI ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "bike.mike" <bike.mike(at)charter.net>
Date: Jul 31, 2006
Subject: Re: Triple quarter plus
90's. that's my goal Steve E. Me too. I want to be like Tailwind designer Steve Whitman who went out while still actively flying at 92. Well, almost like Steve. He died in a crash (structural failure) with a much younger girlfriend beside him. Mike Hardaway ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Date: Jul 31, 2006
Subject: Thanks Bill church
Walt (and Dave and anyone else who liked the pics), No problem - you're welcome. I will post a few more to Mykitplane.com tonight. I found that this year, more of my shots were details, rather than "whole plane" shots. Don't know if it was because that was what I was focusing on, or if it was because I had seen all the Piets at Brodhead before. I know for a fact that a lot of pictures were taken over the weekend. Maybe some of you other guys that were "snappin" would like to share some of your shots with the group (for the benefit of those who couldn't be there). Bill C. ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt evans Sent: July 30, 2006 8:31 PM Thanks , to take the time to take and share some great pics. I never get tired of seeing great workmanship. walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "D.Reid" <dreidjax(at)alltel.net>
Date: Jul 31, 2006
Subject: Re: Thanks Bill church
I know I sure would like to see some, if anyone else cares to share I would be grateful. Were there many Piets and the "other airshow" this year? Maybe next year will be my year. Dave...Down in Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Church To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:44 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Thanks Bill church Walt (and Dave and anyone else who liked the pics), No problem - you're welcome. I will post a few more to Mykitplane.com tonight. I found that this year, more of my shots were details, rather than "whole plane" shots. Don't know if it was because that was what I was focusing on, or if it was because I had seen all the Piets at Brodhead before. I know for a fact that a lot of pictures were taken over the weekend. Maybe some of you other guys that were "snappin" would like to share some of your shots with the group (for the benefit of those who couldn't be there). Bill C. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt evans Sent: July 30, 2006 8:31 PM To: piet list Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thanks Bill church Thanks , to take the time to take and share some great pics. I never get tired of seeing great workmanship. walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca>
Date: Jul 31, 2006
Subject: flew C-IOVC
Got her off the ground for the first time today.Did two crow hops and it felt great.Tomorrow is going to be too hot so I'll have to wait a while longer before I try again.My AME said I was a little wobbly but after two years of not flying and behind the controls of a plane I had never flown before it wasn't bad.I really think the Piet is that good that it made me look a lot better than I really was.She's a real beauty.I think I have fallen in love again! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Date: Jul 31, 2006
Subject: Re: flew C-IOVC
Good goin Harvey. You are wise to wait out the heat. One thing about the Piet is the flying characteristics change drastically with heat and weight. Since you havent flown for a while, I will only offer one suggestion. Continue flying with the same amount of fuel for a while and when you top off the tank for the first time, be ready for something all together different. The tail may come up much harder. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: harvey.rule(at)bell.ca To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:41 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: flew C-IOVC Got her off the ground for the first time today.Did two crow hops and it felt great.Tomorrow is going to be too hot so I'll have to wait a while longer before I try again.My AME said I was a little wobbly but after two years of not flying and behind the controls of a plane I had never flown before it wasn't bad.I really think the Piet is that good that it made me look a lot better than I really was.She's a real beauty.I think I have fallen in love again! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Date: Jul 31, 2006
Subject: Re: double nickel
Arden There is a wide variety of opinions on motorcycle wheels. Generally between 19" & 21". I had my Piet at Brodhead, I like my 21" Harley wheels and rotors. The Go Kart calipers are coming off this winter and getting replaced with Harley also. Some go with Yahama or Honda rims and have Buchanans in Calif. lace the spokes. They willl spread the hubs to 6" to spread the load. I'll let others weigh in on their wheels. Mine weigh in at about 60 lb. including wheel, tires, brakes and axle. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Arden Adamson To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: double nickel Hey guys, One of you said it best. Age is in the mind. I tell people I'm a 39 year old man trapped in a 64 year old body. As long as there is the will (& physical health permits) one can build a plane and fly. This week I put the tail feather hinges on and clamped it all to the Piet fuselage tail. Wow! What inspiration that is to progress. I've been flying for 30 years but creating a plane with one's own two hands is a blast. For all you guys that brought your Piets to Brodhead-----thanks much. I flew my Skyhawk there Saturday to spend the day and enjoyed the fly-in immensely. Flew home that evening going around a couple rain storms. Got many questions answered there and met new friends. Here's another question: I'm building the Jenny style landing gear. If I use motorcycle wheels, which brand/size is most recommended for use with disc brakes? Any help would be appreciated. Arden Adamson Waupaca, WI ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 31, 2006
Subject: Re: flew C-IOVC
In a message dated 7/31/2006 2:43:18 PM Central Standard Time, harvey.rule(at)bell.ca writes: Got her off the ground for the first time today.Did two crow hops and it fel t great.Tomorrow is going to be too hot so I=99ll have to wait a while l onger before I try again.My AME said I was a little wobbly but after two years of not flying and behind the controls of a plane I had never flown before it wasn =99t bad.I really think the Piet is that good that it made me look a lot better t han I really was.She=99s a real beauty.I think I have fallen in love again ! Hey Harvey, that's great news !! Very wise of you to take one step at a time, and do a very thorough inspection before each flight. I mean stuff li ke keep good notes on everything, pull the cowl, check fuel flow, pull all inspection covers for a look with a flashlight & mirror, check every cotter pin & safety wire, shake & wiggle everything, and don't even taxi again till she i s Completely 100% Airworthy, and the weather is perfect. This is a Very cruci al time for you. I think you're just in Lust...the real Love Affair comes after you get t o know her, and have spent 50 or 100 hours in the air with 'er !! Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 31, 2006
Subject: Re: Triple quarter plus
In a message dated 7/31/2006 12:50:29 PM Central Standard Time, bike.mike(at)charter.net writes: Me too. I want to be like Tailwind designer Steve Whitman who went out while still actively flying at 92. Well, almost like Steve. He died in a crash (structural failure) with a much younger girlfriend beside him. Mike, That was his second wife, and I think she was about 42 yrs old. His first wife passed away when I think he was in his 80's. He was sharp as a whip, and always flew at the edge of the envelope. Yes, it was structural failure, and there are 3 or 4 theories as to what happened. Chuck G. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 31, 2006
Subject: Re: the double-nickel
Dan, Although we do seem to be the minority, you are not alone, I'm also 34. I too was an airport kid. I would do just about anything to just be close to airplanes. I rode my bike many many miles! I truly feel it came from my dad taking me to the local airport for my first airplane ride at the age of 7. An experience that is still very vivid in my mind. I also clearly remember the pilot, Mr. Galen Elser, explaining to me his homebuilt airplane experiences. These were Pietenpols he built in the 30s. That stuck with me like nothing else. Enough for me to work through High School to pay for flying lessons and finally at the age of 20 I started building my plane. Although college, moving, marriage, and starting a family have a way of creating new priorities the Piet always remained a backburner goal. So whether through a Young Eagles program or not kids are extremely impressionable and anything positive, like flying and aiplanes, really sticks with them. Even when they sometimes give you that 'what in the world are you talking about' stare! Don E. NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=51203#51203 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jul 31, 2006
Subject: tell us about C-IOVC
Please tell me/us about this aircraft and it's story. walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu>
Date: Jul 31, 2006
Subject: Re: the double-nickel
Others will chime in on their age I suppose, but I was 26 when I started building. Finished it at 29-1/2. On Nov 19th the piet will be 9 years old. I'm just 1/10 hr short of 333.33 hours on the tach. I'm 38 and have 5 kids, all of whom love to fly in the piet. Even my wife will go about once a year! I confirmed just last night with my mom that my first word was 'airplane' watching A4's landing in Kingsville TX as a kid. I solo'ed on my 16th birthday and PPSEL checkride on my 17th. Man was meant to fly, anyone who might disagree is in denial. Just take a kid flying and their smile will prove it. Life is Grand. I flew 28 Young Eagles at our chapter rallye last month,(albeit in a 172)... lots of smiles! Steve E. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 3:53 PM Dan, Although we do seem to be the minority, you are not alone, I'm also 34. I too was an airport kid. I would do just about anything to just be close to airplanes. I rode my bike many many miles! I truly feel it came from my dad taking me to the local airport for my first airplane ride at the age of 7. An experience that is still very vivid in my mind. I also clearly remember the pilot, Mr. Galen Elser, explaining to me his homebuilt airplane experiences. These were Pietenpols he built in the 30s. That stuck with me like nothing else. Enough for me to work through High School to pay for flying lessons and finally at the age of 20 I started building my plane. Although college, moving, marriage, and starting a family have a way of creating new priorities the Piet always remained a backburner goal. So whether through a Young Eagles program or not kids are extremely impressionable and anything positive, like flying and aiplanes, really sticks with them. Even when they so! metimes give you that 'what in the world are you talking about' stare! Don E. NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=51203#51203 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jul 31, 2006
Subject: Re: the double-nickel
Good for you! I'm still smilling. Life truely is GRAND! I'm not a religious guy, but I've seen enough thru the years with my father passing , and things I've seen , to know that there is something out there. walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 6:25 PM > > Others will chime in on their age I suppose, but I was 26 when I started > building. Finished it at 29-1/2. On Nov 19th the piet will be 9 years > old. I'm just 1/10 hr short of 333.33 hours on the tach. I'm 38 and > have 5 kids, all of whom love to fly in the piet. Even my wife will go > about once a year! I confirmed just last night with my mom that my > first word was 'airplane' watching A4's landing in Kingsville TX as a > kid. I solo'ed on my 16th birthday and PPSEL checkride on my 17th. Man > was meant to fly, anyone who might disagree is in denial. Just take a > kid flying and their smile will prove it. > > > Life is Grand. I flew 28 Young Eagles at our chapter rallye last > month,(albeit in a 172)... lots of smiles! > > Steve E. > > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 3:53 PM > > > Dan, > Although we do seem to be the minority, you are not alone, I'm also 34. > I too was an airport kid. I would do just about anything to just be > close to airplanes. I rode my bike many many miles! I truly feel it > came from my dad taking me to the local airport for my first airplane > ride at the age of 7. An experience that is still very vivid in my > mind. I also clearly remember the pilot, Mr. Galen Elser, explaining to > me his homebuilt airplane experiences. These were Pietenpols he built > in the 30s. That stuck with me like nothing else. Enough for me to > work through High School to pay for flying lessons and finally at the > age of 20 I started building my plane. Although college, moving, > marriage, and starting a family have a way of creating new priorities > the Piet always remained a backburner goal. So whether through a Young > Eagles program or not kids are extremely impressionable and anything > positive, like flying and aiplanes, really sticks with them. Even when > they so! > metimes give you that 'what in the world are you talking about' stare! > Don E. > NX899DE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=51203#51203 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 31, 2006
Subject: Re: Double quarter plus
In Japan of course, Sep 4, 45 to July 3, 46 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Date: Jul 31, 2006
Subject: Matronics Email List Web Server Upgrade Tonight...
Dear Listers, This evening I will be upgrading the Matronics Web Server hardware to a new Quad-processor 2.8Ghz Xeon system (yes, 4-physical CPUs!) with an Ultra 320 SCSI Raid 5 disk system and 5GB of DDR2 RAM. As with the older system, the new system will be running the latest version of Redhat Linux. Most of the software configuration work is already done for the migration, but I still have to sync all of the archive and forum data from the old system to the new system. I am anticipating about 2 to 3 hours of downtime for me to fully make the transition, although it could be considerable less if everything goes according to plan. The Matronics Webserver will be *UNavailable* from the Internet during the work, and you will receive a time-out if you try to connect during the upgrade. Email List Distribution will be *available* during the upgrade of the Web Server, and List message distribution will function as normal. This represents a significant performance upgrade for the Matronics Web Server and you should notice nicely improved searching and surfing performance following the upgrade! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca>
Date: Jul 31, 2006
Subject: tell us about C-IOVC
She was started in 1977(G1298) by George Uranick of Perth Ontario and Bob Graham of Manotick.She originally had the letters C-GOVC since it started out life as a homebuilt and I was the one who had it reregistered as an ultralight.She had all her inspections except for the final one and with the help of two AME's I bought the plane from Bob Graham in late 2005 and continued the work to completion and it has had better than a final inspection since these guys took on the final itself and made sure she was ready to fly.They would not let me make a move until I had completed their specs which I did gladly.She has been built with Grega mods,a Franklin 80 hp engine AC 176 series,a Cessna carb heat muff,battery start,flop door entrance,fire extinguisher,Tennessee prop 72X42 recommended by the group on this web,and with the help of the guys at our local RAA and the two AME's she is now ready for flight which I did today for the first time.It was her first time and my first time as well.I have flown champs ,N3 Pup and Lazairs but this one is real special.She handles very much like the Champ.I will not be carrying a passenger since I am a basic ultralight pilot and there is a battery in the front seat anyway.There will be a few more adds to be put on such as a system for carrying a tent and sleeping bag but other than that she is finished. ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt evans Sent: July 31, 2006 5:54 PM Please tell me/us about this aircraft and it's story. walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca>
Date: Jul 31, 2006
Subject: flew C-IOVC
Good advice,thanks for that knowledge. ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Navratil Sent: July 31, 2006 5:14 PM Good goin Harvey. You are wise to wait out the heat. One thing about the Piet is the flying characteristics change drastically with heat and weight. Since you havent flown for a while, I will only offer one suggestion. Continue flying with the same amount of fuel for a while and when you top off the tank for the first time, be ready for something all together different. The tail may come up much harder. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: harvey.rule(at)bell.ca To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:41 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: flew C-IOVC Got her off the ground for the first time today.Did two crow hops and it felt great.Tomorrow is going to be too hot so I'll have to wait a while longer before I try again.My AME said I was a little wobbly but after two years of not flying and behind the controls of a plane I had never flown before it wasn't bad.I really think the Piet is that good that it made me look a lot better than I really was.She's a real beauty.I think I have fallen in love again! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "erik finster" <es_finster(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 01, 2006
Subject: FW: Fwd: FW: An Update on the Ex SORRY I HAD TO
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Subject: An Update on the Ex

Please read before viewing the picture.

Some of you may know my ex-wife. She had started taking flying lessons about the time our divorce started ( 1990  ) and she got her license shortly before our divorce was final, later that same year. Yesterday afternoon, she narrowly escaped injury in the aircraft she was piloting when she was forced to make an emergency landing in Southern Sask. because of bad weather. Some could call it a crash; an accident at the least. Our daughter was with me this weekend.

National Transportation Safety Board officials have issued a preliminary determination citing pilot error contributed to the accident and Carol was flying a single engine aircraft (a basic model, at best) in IFR (instrument flight rating) conditions while only having obtained a VFR (visual flight rating) rating.

The absence of a post-crash fire was likely due to insufficient fuel on board. No one on the ground was injured.

Photographs were taken at the scene show the extent of damage to her aircraft.

She was very lucky.

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