Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-fr
February 13, 2007 - March 07, 2007
Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-fr
February 13, 2007 - March 07, 2007
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From: "Roman Bukolt" <conceptmodels(at)tds.net>
Subject: Re: elevator trim
Date: Feb 13, 2007
Bill Rewey's tank is in the wing and mine is in the fuselage.
I know Bill swung his wing back 4 in. to put the CG in the correct range.
In my case the plane was built for a Corvair and actually had 17 lbs. of
lead in the tail.
Then when Ray Hill, the builder changed to the Cont. A-65 He made the
engine mount 4 inchesshorter than the one shown on Bernie's plan. ????
So my CG was at 39% when I bought the plane.
I've since installed a battery and angle iron rack on the firewall to add 30
lbs. to the nose.
Now, if I fly solo and have 5 gal. left in the tank (about 2 1/2hrs. flying
starting with a full 15 gal.) my CG will be just inside 33%.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: elevator trim
>
>
> Roman-
>
> Just out of curiosity, do your and Bill Rewey's planes have the fuel tanks
> in the wing center section or out ahead in the nose cowling? If your fuel
> is in the wing, maybe that's why you need forward stick to trim it in
> cruise.
>
> 41CC has the fuel in the nose cowling ahead of the front cockpit and
> neither Charlie nor I weigh all that much so with full fuel it has needed
> aft stick to trim it in cruise. That's what it needed when Corky -er,
> Nathan- and Edwin flew it. Corky had a bungee wrapped around the stick to
> apply back pressure, with the "slide it up the stick for more, down the
> stick for less" like you have except pulling back instead of forward.
>
> Every Piet is different! Aren't you glad we're not all building
> RV-somethings? ;o)
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: prop for duplication
Date: Feb 13, 2007
I have a prop for the Corvair/Piet but it isn't 64x33... it's a 62x34.
Picture of it at http://www.flysquirrel.net/corvair/corvair.html
It's in the original Tennessee Props shipping crate and could be shipped out
if you pay shipping and promise to take care of it. Or forget the shipping
and send me back a hand-carved duplicate prop along with my original ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: Re: Propeller duplicator
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Feb 13, 2007
Thanks guys for all the great info and sites about duplicators and carving. I
hadn't seen the sites before and it made for some great reading. Chuck, I'm going
to order that book from EAA. The more I think about and study props, the
more it interests me.
Thanks again,
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=94886#94886
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Subject: Re: elevator trim
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Feb 13, 2007
I don't think I have ever heard of a shorter than plans engine mount. I think
it would surely be worth a 30lbs. weight savings to build a new longer mount,
according to plans. Just a thought though. 30 lbs. savings is quite a bit for
us.
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=94887#94887
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From: "Roman Bukolt" <conceptmodels(at)tds.net>
Subject: Re: elevator trim
Date: Feb 13, 2007
Then I'd have to build a whole new cowl.
I'd rather use my building time on the Piet I'm building in my basement.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 7:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: elevator trim
>
> I don't think I have ever heard of a shorter than plans engine mount. I
> think it would surely be worth a 30lbs. weight savings to build a new
> longer mount, according to plans. Just a thought though. 30 lbs. savings
> is quite a bit for us.
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=94887#94887
>
>
>
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From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" <M.Silvius(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Propeller duplicator
Date: Feb 13, 2007
Don:
Have you seen this one??
http://www.flyingflea.org/docs/how_i_make_wood_propellers%202.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
>
> Thanks guys for all the great info and sites about duplicators and
carving. I hadn't seen the sites before and it made for some great reading.
Chuck, I'm going to order that book from EAA. The more I think about and
study props, the more it interests me.
> Thanks again,
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
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From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" <M.Silvius(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Propeller duplicator
Date: Feb 13, 2007
Don:
A few more good ones on prop making:
this one is my favorite by Ed Barros in Argentina making his own 3 blade for
his highly modified KR.
It is in spanish but you can get the gist. He is runing it direct drive of a
EA81 Subaru, he makes it look easy.
http://www.kr2-egb.com.ar/Helice.htm
and:
http://users.lmi.net/~ryoung/Sonerai/Carve_Prop.html
and a homebuilt composite one as well:
http://www.icon.fi/~jtki/prop.html
literature:
http://webpages.charter.net/bateseng/books.htm
more links on prop making:
http://mylist.net/archives/corvaircraft/2004/006082.html
Michael in Maine
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From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 14, 2007
Subject: Re: elevator trim
In a message dated 2/13/2007 10:36:31 AM Central Standard Time,
conceptmodels(at)tds.net writes:
Now, if I fly solo and have 5 gal. left in the tank (about 2 1/2hrs. flying
starting with a full 15 gal.) my CG will be just inside 33%.
Roman,
It is important to maintain the CG ahead of the Aft limit, with ZER0 fuel
aboard, and you in the cockpit. If we introduce a scenario where you end
up
with below minimum fuel, or run out of fuel, you will be Aft CG, and would be
fortunate to walk away from the landing.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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From: Wizzard187(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 14, 2007
Subject: Re: Propeller duplicator
Don. I have a duplicator that I built that you can use. I have carved
three. The first two for practice and the third came out pretty good. It has
a
8 foot bed . I have not used the prop as I think my weight and balance
will require more, weight up front. The problem is that I am in eastern Iowa
about 10 miles north of I 80 just above Davenport near Long Grove. Ken
Conrad in snowie Iowa and cold. The plans are from a guy in Michigan that was
carving fish profiles.
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From: "Roman Bukolt" <conceptmodels(at)tds.net>
Subject: Re: elevator trim
Date: Feb 14, 2007
That's why I always take off with a full tank and start looking to land
after 2 hrs. of flying.
I did make a form fit 22 lb. lead wt that can be bolted to the top of my
A-65 crankcase, if the time should ever come when I want to fly a long
cross country flight.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: elevator trim
In a message dated 2/13/2007 10:36:31 AM Central Standard Time,
conceptmodels(at)tds.net writes:
Now, if I fly solo and have 5 gal. left in the tank (about 2 1/2hrs.
flying
starting with a full 15 gal.) my CG will be just inside 33%.
Roman,
It is important to maintain the CG ahead of the Aft limit, with ZER0
fuel aboard, and you in the cockpit. If we introduce a scenario
where you end up with below minimum fuel, or run out of fuel, you will
be Aft CG, and would be fortunate to walk away from the landing.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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Subject: www.gregagn-1.com site not working??
From: "SaLvAgEd" <mattvandyne(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Feb 14, 2007
Hello... I'm new here, but I've been day-dreaming about an aircamper since 1994. I now have a big enough garage to start making my dream a reality... So, I'm trying to find out where to buy the revised CAD-drawn GN-1 plans. I found the www.gregagn-1.com site, but the ordering page appears to not be working. Can anyone shed some light on this for me? Where are all of you getting your plans from?
Thanks in advance![/b]
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p-086#95086
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From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 14, 2007
Subject: Re: www.gregagn-1.com site not working??
In a message dated 2/14/2007 4:06:21 PM Central Standard Time,
mattvandyne(at)hotmail.com writes:
Where are all of you getting your plans from?
http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/
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Subject: Re: www.gregagn-1.com site not working??
From: "SaLvAgEd" <mattvandyne(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Feb 14, 2007
Thanks for the link! I looked the the site, and have a question... are any of
these the "Grega" version?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p-095#95095
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Date: Feb 14, 2007
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: www.gregagn-1.com site not working??
Why do you want the Grega plans? Is it just because they are CAD drawn?
Thanks for the link! I looked the the site, and have a question... are any of these
the "Grega" version?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p-095#95095
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From: "DJ Vegh" <dj(at)veghdesign.com>
Subject: Re: www.gregagn-1.com site not working??
Date: Feb 14, 2007
no. those are not Grega.
I have lost contact with Bob Grega (Late Mr. Grega's son). I am not sure
what happened to him but he seems to have dissappeared. I am trying to
contact him to ask about purchasing rights to his fathers plans and then
distributing them.
As soon as I know more I will post to the list.
DJ Vegh
GN-1 builder
www.veghdesign.com/aircamper
----- Original Message -----
From: "SaLvAgEd" <mattvandyne(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: www.gregagn-1.com site not working??
>
> Thanks for the link! I looked the the site, and have a question... are
> any of these the "Grega" version?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p-095#95095
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: elevator trim
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Feb 14, 2007
Chuck,
I think that's advice everyone with nose tanks should be listening to. Even though
the Piet seems to be forgiving of a somewhat aft c.g., too far aft is bad
news!
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p-144#95144
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Date: Feb 14, 2007
From: John Smoyer <mox499(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Sun 'n Fun 2007
Is anyone on the list bringing his Piet to this year's Sun 'n Fun? I'd love to
meet you, ask zillions of dumb questions, take pix, measure, buy you lunch and
share stories and lies. Thanks.
John Smoyer
Mid-Atlantic Air Museum
Reading, PA
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Subject: Re: www.gregagn-1.com site not working??
From: Tom Bernie <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Feb 14, 2007
DJ, I'm finishing my GN-1 and plan to fly it this August. I wish you
success in distributing plans and promoting the airplane. The Grega
improvements to the Aircamper should be available to the community.
Tom Bernie
Gloucester MA
>
> no. those are not Grega.
>
> I have lost contact with Bob Grega (Late Mr. Grega's son). I am not sure
> what happened to him but he seems to have dissappeared. I am trying to
> contact him to ask about purchasing rights to his fathers plans and then
> distributing them.
>
> As soon as I know more I will post to the list.
>
> DJ Vegh
> GN-1 builder
> www.veghdesign.com/aircamper
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "SaLvAgEd" <mattvandyne(at)hotmail.com>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:34 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: www.gregagn-1.com site not working??
>
>
> >
> > Thanks for the link! I looked the the site, and have a question... are
> > any of these the "Grega" version?
> >
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> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p-095#95095
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Feb 15, 2007
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Sun 'n Fun 2007
I haven't seen a Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun the last few years, but have met
some of the builders in the wood-working tent. In 2005 they were
building a Piet there. Alan Weise's old Piet is in the museum there.
I'll be wearing my Low and Slow hat. Wear your Piet clothes and I'll
look for you!
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
John Smoyer wrote:
> Is anyone on the list bringing his Piet to this year's Sun 'n Fun?
> I'd love to meet you, ask zillions of dumb questions, take pix,
> measure, buy you lunch and share stories and lies. Thanks.
>
> John Smoyer
> Mid-Atlantic Air Museum
> Reading, PA
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Subject: Sun 'n Fun 2007
Date: Feb 15, 2007
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com>
I'm planning on bringing mine. Don't know yet what dates but I doubt
I'll stay the whole week.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Smoyer
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun 'n Fun 2007
Is anyone on the list bringing his Piet to this year's Sun 'n Fun? I'd
love to meet you, ask zillions of dumb questions, take pix, measure, buy
you lunch and share stories and lies. Thanks.
John Smoyer
Mid-Atlantic Air Museum
Reading, PA
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From: "James" <jthursby(at)tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Sun 'n Fun 2007
Date: Feb 15, 2007
I saw that in the museum last week and was wondering on how it got there? I
had met Alan many times at various flyins around Florida over the years.
Jim T.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun 'n Fun 2007
-->
I haven't seen a Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun the last few years, but have met
some of the builders in the wood-working tent. In 2005 they were
building a Piet there. Alan Weise's old Piet is in the museum there.
I'll be wearing my Low and Slow hat. Wear your Piet clothes and I'll
look for you!
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
John Smoyer wrote:
> Is anyone on the list bringing his Piet to this year's Sun 'n Fun?
> I'd love to meet you, ask zillions of dumb questions, take pix,
> measure, buy you lunch and share stories and lies. Thanks.
>
> John Smoyer
> Mid-Atlantic Air Museum
> Reading, PA
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> Be a PS3 game guru.
> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo!
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Date: Feb 15, 2007
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Sun 'n Fun 2007
Alan came to our fly-in in October and he still looks well. He is over
80 years old I think. We have a picture of him in our chapter meeting
room throwing his leg over the side of his Piet in a way mty 52 year old
legs won't go. Maybe I should start working on my stretching exercises....
I heard he just decided it was time to stop flying. His plane has some
innovative ideas. I like the fenders that double as brakes. The brass
horn is a nice touch too.
Ben
James wrote:
>
>I saw that in the museum last week and was wondering on how it got there? I
>had met Alan many times at various flyins around Florida over the years.
>
> Jim T.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
>Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 7:08 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun 'n Fun 2007
>
>
>-->
>
>I haven't seen a Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun the last few years, but have met
>some of the builders in the wood-working tent. In 2005 they were
>building a Piet there. Alan Weise's old Piet is in the museum there.
>I'll be wearing my Low and Slow hat. Wear your Piet clothes and I'll
>look for you!
>
>Ben Charvet
>Mims, Fl
>John Smoyer wrote:
>
>
>
>>Is anyone on the list bringing his Piet to this year's Sun 'n Fun?
>>I'd love to meet you, ask zillions of dumb questions, take pix,
>>measure, buy you lunch and share stories and lies. Thanks.
>>
>>John Smoyer
>>Mid-Atlantic Air Museum
>>Reading, PA
>>
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>>Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo!
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 02/15/07
Date: Feb 16, 2007
From: tbyh(at)aol.com
Anybody got a picture of Alan Weise's Piet with the fenders that double as brakes
-- would like to see that!
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
-----Original Message-----
From: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 1:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 02/15/07
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1. 04:08 AM - Re: Sun 'n Fun 2007 (Ben Charvet)
2. 04:37 AM - Re: Sun 'n Fun 2007 (Phillips, Jack)
3. 04:49 AM - Re: Sun 'n Fun 2007 (James)
4. 04:59 AM - Re: Sun 'n Fun 2007 (Ben Charvet)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun 'n Fun 2007
I haven't seen a Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun the last few years, but have met
some of the builders in the wood-working tent. In 2005 they were
building a Piet there. Alan Weise's old Piet is in the museum there.
I'll be wearing my Low and Slow hat. Wear your Piet clothes and I'll
look for you!
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
John Smoyer wrote:
> Is anyone on the list bringing his Piet to this year's Sun 'n Fun?
> I'd love to meet you, ask zillions of dumb questions, take pix,
> measure, buy you lunch and share stories and lies. Thanks.
>
> John Smoyer
> Mid-Atlantic Air Museum
> Reading, PA
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Be a PS3 game guru.
> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo!
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Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sun 'n Fun 2007
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com>
I'm planning on bringing mine. Don't know yet what dates but I doubt
I'll stay the whole week.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Smoyer
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun 'n Fun 2007
Is anyone on the list bringing his Piet to this year's Sun 'n Fun? I'd
love to meet you, ask zillions of dumb questions, take pix, measure, buy
you lunch and share stories and lies. Thanks.
John Smoyer
Mid-Atlantic Air Museum
Reading, PA
_____
Be a PS3 game guru.
Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo!
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From: "James" <jthursby(at)tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sun 'n Fun 2007
I saw that in the museum last week and was wondering on how it got there? I
had met Alan many times at various flyins around Florida over the years.
Jim T.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun 'n Fun 2007
-->
I haven't seen a Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun the last few years, but have met
some of the builders in the wood-working tent. In 2005 they were
building a Piet there. Alan Weise's old Piet is in the museum there.
I'll be wearing my Low and Slow hat. Wear your Piet clothes and I'll
look for you!
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
John Smoyer wrote:
> Is anyone on the list bringing his Piet to this year's Sun 'n Fun?
> I'd love to meet you, ask zillions of dumb questions, take pix,
> measure, buy you lunch and share stories and lies. Thanks.
>
> John Smoyer
> Mid-Atlantic Air Museum
> Reading, PA
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> Be a PS3 game guru.
> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo!
> Games. <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49936/*http://videogames.yahoo.com>
>
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>
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________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun 'n Fun 2007
Alan came to our fly-in in October and he still looks well. He is over
80 years old I think. We have a picture of him in our chapter meeting
room throwing his leg over the side of his Piet in a way mty 52 year old
legs won't go. Maybe I should start working on my stretching exercises....
I heard he just decided it was time to stop flying. His plane has some
innovative ideas. I like the fenders that double as brakes. The brass
horn is a nice touch too.
Ben
James wrote:
>
>I saw that in the museum last week and was wondering on how it got there? I
>had met Alan many times at various flyins around Florida over the years.
>
> Jim T.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
>Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 7:08 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun 'n Fun 2007
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>I haven't seen a Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun the last few years, but have met
>some of the builders in the wood-working tent. In 2005 they were
>building a Piet there. Alan Weise's old Piet is in the museum there.
>I'll be wearing my Low and Slow hat. Wear your Piet clothes and I'll
>look for you!
>
>Ben Charvet
>Mims, Fl
>John Smoyer wrote:
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>>Is anyone on the list bringing his Piet to this year's Sun 'n Fun?
>>I'd love to meet you, ask zillions of dumb questions, take pix,
>>measure, buy you lunch and share stories and lies. Thanks.
>>
>>John Smoyer
>>Mid-Atlantic Air Museum
>>Reading, PA
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Date: Feb 16, 2007
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Alan Weise fender brakes
Here are a few pictures of his brakes. As I remember the mechanism was
cable operated. I don't think these pictures show it very well
Ben
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From: <harvey.rule(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: Alan Weise fender brakes
Date: Feb 16, 2007
That's really neat;it will clean the wheels at the same time.You can readily
see when the pads have to be changed and it looks like you can use old tires
for pads(very economical).The operating system is simplicity itself.I may
just change my whole brake system over to this type!
>From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alan Weise fender brakes
>Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:59:43 -0500
>
>Here are a few pictures of his brakes. As I remember the mechanism was
>cable operated. I don't think these pictures show it very well
>Ben
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From: "Catdesigns" <catdesigns(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Internet sighting of Duane Woolsey's Piet.
Date: Feb 16, 2007
While searching the internet for wing strut designs, I came across a picture
of the Subaru powered Pietenpol built by Duane Woolsey. Duane sold it the
same year Steve Eldridge and Duane few back to Brodhead from Utah (they also
went to that other little show up north). Go to http://www.s6s.org/ look for
his Update 05/06/06 link on the left, then scroll down to the bottom of the
page looking for his 05/06/06 entry, click on that then scroll down through
the pictures to find the Piet picture.
I seem to remember someone was asking about this plane some time ago. If
that was one of you, you could try emailing the guy who does this website.
Maybe he could put you in touch with the owner, which appears to be a Mr.
Bill Majors.
Hey Steve E., what ever happened to your write-up about your flight to
Brodhead? If you still have a have a copy of it, can I post it on my
website?
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
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From: "Catdesigns" <catdesigns(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Rans Aluminum Wing Strut Designs
Date: Feb 16, 2007
Anyone else notice that the Rans highwing planes use aluminum struts?
What I am trying to find out is, how are the ends of the struts done? I
found one picture (attached) of the lower end (from
http://www.justplanefrank.com) . It looks as though one bolt and three pull
rivets are used to hold an aluminum end. This design will not work as the
lower end but would work great on the upper end of a Piet strut. Larry
Williams appears to have used this approach on his aluminum strutted Piet
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Larry%20Williams/Air_Venture_2003_trip_107.jpg.
Anyone have access to a Rans S6 or S7? What size struts are they and how are
the ends done.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
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From: "DJ Vegh" <dj(at)veghdesign.com>
Subject: Re: Rans Aluminum Wing Strut Designs
Date: Feb 16, 2007
here's how I did mine
http://veghdesign.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/03-13-04.htm
I used 4130 on the lower ends because I threaded them for adjustable piper
cub forks. The upper ends are aluminum 2024 aluminum bar.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Catdesigns" <catdesigns(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rans Aluminum Wing Strut Designs
> Anyone else notice that the Rans highwing planes use aluminum struts?
>
> What I am trying to find out is, how are the ends of the struts done? I
> found one picture (attached) of the lower end (from
> http://www.justplanefrank.com) . It looks as though one bolt and three
> pull
> rivets are used to hold an aluminum end. This design will not work as the
> lower end but would work great on the upper end of a Piet strut. Larry
> Williams appears to have used this approach on his aluminum strutted Piet
> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Larry%20Williams/Air_Venture_2003_trip_107.jpg.
>
> Anyone have access to a Rans S6 or S7? What size struts are they and how
> are
> the ends done.
>
> Chris Tracy
> Sacramento, Ca
> Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
>
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From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 16, 2007
Subject: Re: Rans Aluminum Wing Strut Designs
In a message dated 2/16/2007 8:42:05 PM Central Standard Time,
catdesigns(at)comcast.net writes:
This design will not work as the
lower end but would work great on the upper end of a Piet strut.
Chris,
It appears that those designs eliminate the capability to move the wing for
and aft.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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From: "Catdesigns" <catdesigns(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Rans Aluminum Wing Strut Designs
Date: Feb 16, 2007
Chuck, your right. I guess I should be more clear. In my muddy water
of a mind I know what I'm talking about.
I'm not suggesting changing the strut design of the Piet. The Rans
struts come together at the front strut and mount to the fuselage at one
point. I'm not suggesting doing this at all. All I was looking at was
the square aluminum bar with the hole in it and how it was mounted into
the aluminum strut. If one was to use the aluminum strut on a Piet,
this would be a simple solution. As DJ seems to have used also, once
again it proves that if I can think of it someone has already thought of
it too. I didn't even think about the lower end using fork but now as I
look back in my notes I see Larry Williams did something as DJ just a
little different:
"For fittings, I got BIG terminals end and wieldable inserts, welded the
insert into a 3/4" square tube and slid it into the strut material where
it is cross-bolted in place. If I was to do it over, I'd just make some
sort of fork-like fittings and dispense with the adjustable feature.
Much cheaper and I have found no reason to adjust mine since
installation."
I'm no where near needing them just doing some thinking is all. Also, I
noticed the Rans jury struts are attached to the aluminum strut by way
of an AN eyebolt. They are bit hard to see in the attached photo but
that's what they look like to me.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rans Aluminum Wing Strut Designs
In a message dated 2/16/2007 8:42:05 PM Central Standard Time,
catdesigns(at)comcast.net writes:
This design will not work as the
lower end but would work great on the upper end of a Piet strut.
Chris,
It appears that those designs eliminate the capability to move the
wing for and aft.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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From: "Roger Harris" <fatcharlie(at)btopenworld.com>
Subject: How do they fly?
Date: Feb 16, 2007
Hi there,
The Pietenpol Aircamper is the most fantastic airdraft in the world! I
want one!
Unfortunately I only have a Microlight (ultralight) licence and I weigh
115kg on a height of 1.90m ( 18 stones on 6 ft 3ins), so probably
wouldn't fit in one anyway.
However I have just downloaded a great Fligh Simulator add=on from the
great Bill Lyons. A great representation of the Aitrcxamper.
Thing is, if a cross the controls and side-slip, it doesn't slow dowmn!
Questions
- does sideslipping increase your rate of descent significantly?
- does the aircraft float on forever when landing?
- What's the stall speed at MTOW and with the average pilot and
half tanks?
- Is the ground-handling as difficult as Bill's model
represents? (i.e no steering on the ground unless you really give it
rice on the throttle, and ground-loops at the sl;ighteest opportunity!)
- Are there mods which help her on the ground? Brakes or
steerable tailwheels?
That's enough for now - anyone know of an example in Spain?
Cheers,
Roger Harris
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From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Rans Aluminum Wing Strut Designs
Date: Feb 17, 2007
Chris wrote-
>It looks as though one bolt and three pull rivets
>are used to hold an aluminum end.
Chris, I believe that the rivets are there to hold the triangular, flat
aluminum fitting to the spar, not to transfer any loads from the strut end
to the strut. The through-bolt(s) do that. And I would definitely use DJ's
two-bolt design rather than a single bolt. I just can't visualize a single
bolt transferring all the load to that aluminum.
DJ: curious to know how you match-drilled the holes in the strut to the
holes in the 4130 end fitting since you obviously drilled the end fitting
first? Just measure hole centers and hope for the best?
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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From: Pietsrneat(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 17, 2007
Subject: Re: Rans Aluminum Wing Strut Designs
In a message dated 2/17/2007 11:28:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes:
DJ: curious to know how you match-drilled the holes in the strut to the
holes in the 4130 end fitting since you obviously drilled the end fitting
first? Just measure hole centers and hope for the best?
I was wondering the same thing, Oscar. It is too tight to squeeze in a hole
finder of any kind, I think.
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From: "DJ Vegh" <dj(at)veghdesign.com>
Subject: Re: Rans Aluminum Wing Strut Designs
Date: Feb 17, 2007
Oscar,
actually I drilled them all at once... sort of. I made a jig that holds the
airfoil shaped aluminnum square on the base of my drill press. Then I
inserted the 4130 bar into the strut (in the jig) then drilled one hole with
a 1/8" pilot.
Then I pulled out the 4130 and redrilled it with 1/4" drill and deburred the
edges. Then I drilled out the strut with 1/4" drill. Next I inserted the
the 4130 bar and dropped an NAS-4 bolt into it to hold it in place.
Re-did the previous steps for the second hole and ended up with perfectly
matching holes. The key is to do them one at a time, insert a bolt, then
redrill for the second. And make sure you make a jig to hold the streamline
tubing perfectly square to the drill bit.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rans Aluminum Wing Strut Designs
Chris wrote-
>It looks as though one bolt and three pull rivets
>are used to hold an aluminum end.
Chris, I believe that the rivets are there to hold the triangular, flat
aluminum fitting to the spar, not to transfer any loads from the strut end
to the strut. The through-bolt(s) do that. And I would definitely use DJ's
two-bolt design rather than a single bolt. I just can't visualize a single
bolt transferring all the load to that aluminum.
DJ: curious to know how you match-drilled the holes in the strut to the
holes in the 4130 end fitting since you obviously drilled the end fitting
first? Just measure hole centers and hope for the best?
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Date: Feb 17, 2007
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: How do they fly?
my opinions below,in blue
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Harris
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly?
Hi there,
The Pietenpol Aircamper is the most fantastic airdraft in the world! I
want one!
Unfortunately I only have a Microlight (ultralight) licence and I
weigh 115kg on a height of 1.90m ( 18 stones on 6 ft 3ins), so probably
wouldn't fit in one anyway.
However I have just downloaded a great Fligh Simulator add=on from
the great Bill Lyons. A great representation of the Aitrcxamper.
Do you have a link for us to download the add-on?
thanks
Thing is, if a cross the controls and side-slip, it doesn't slow
dowmn!
Questions
- does sideslipping increase your rate of descent significantly?
Yes, I think I can drop in better than a Cessna 150 with 40 deg of
flaps
- does the aircraft float on forever when landing?
NO
- What's the stall speed at MTOW and with the average pilot
and half tanks?
My stall with just me, and half (of 24 gals) fuel was 37 IAS
- Is the ground-handling as difficult as Bill's model
represents? (i.e no steering on the ground unless you really give it
rice on the throttle, and ground-loops at the sl;ighteest opportunity!)
I have a steerable tail wheel that I made, and it handles very well on
the ground.
As far a ground looping, there is a lot of toedancing while landing
and during the rollout. If you take it for granted, you'll be in the
woods
- Are there mods which help her on the ground? Brakes or
steerable tailwheels?
I installed drum brakes from a gokart supplier
That's enough for now - anyone know of an example in Spain?
Cheers,
Roger Harris
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Date: Feb 17, 2007
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: How do they fly?
correction,,,
The stall speed was 37 MPH, not knots.
thanks
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly?
my opinions below,in blue
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Harris
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly?
Hi there,
The Pietenpol Aircamper is the most fantastic airdraft in the world!
I want one!
Unfortunately I only have a Microlight (ultralight) licence and I
weigh 115kg on a height of 1.90m ( 18 stones on 6 ft 3ins), so probably
wouldn't fit in one anyway.
However I have just downloaded a great Fligh Simulator add=on from
the great Bill Lyons. A great representation of the Aitrcxamper.
Do you have a link for us to download the add-on?
thanks
Thing is, if a cross the controls and side-slip, it doesn't slow
dowmn!
Questions
- does sideslipping increase your rate of descent significantly?
Yes, I think I can drop in better than a Cessna 150 with 40 deg of
flaps
- does the aircraft float on forever when landing?
NO
- What's the stall speed at MTOW and with the average pilot
and half tanks?
My stall with just me, and half (of 24 gals) fuel was 37 IAS
- Is the ground-handling as difficult as Bill's model
represents? (i.e no steering on the ground unless you really give it
rice on the throttle, and ground-loops at the sl;ighteest opportunity!)
I have a steerable tail wheel that I made, and it handles very well
on the ground.
As far a ground looping, there is a lot of toedancing while landing
and during the rollout. If you take it for granted, you'll be in the
woods
- Are there mods which help her on the ground? Brakes or
steerable tailwheels?
I installed drum brakes from a gokart supplier
That's enough for now - anyone know of an example in Spain?
Cheers,
Roger Harris
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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From: Pietsrneat(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 17, 2007
Subject: Re: Rans Aluminum Wing Strut Designs
DJ,
I think what threw us off was the fact that in your photo, there are no
holes in the streamlined strut.
Ron
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From: "DJ Vegh" <dj(at)veghdesign.com>
Subject: Re: Rans Aluminum Wing Strut Designs
Date: Feb 17, 2007
ahh... makes sense. I used a length of scrap for the photos. I have
quite a bit left over. If anyone wants a sample of the Sky-Tec strut
material just let me know! I can cut off a piece and send fo rthe price
of shipping. I have both large and smaller sizes.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Pietsrneat(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rans Aluminum Wing Strut Designs
DJ,
I think what threw us off was the fact that in your photo, there
are no holes in the streamlined strut.
Ron
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From: "Steve Ruse" <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
Subject: How do they fly?
Date: Feb 17, 2007
In the real world, if there is one thing a Pietenpol can do exceptionally,
it is slowing down. They are draggy airplanes. There is very, very little
float on landing unless you start your flair above cruise speed. Again,
lots of drag keeps your time to flair down. A lot of people land them with
some power to give more float time. It has much, much less float than any
other airplane I've flown. I'm pretty comfortable landing on a rough 1,000'
strip. Taking off fully loaded from a 1,000' strip on a warm day is a
different story.
Like someone else said, you can lose a lot of altitude very quickly in an
aggressive slip.
Ground handling isn't bad at all in my plane in my opinion. However, I have
a (narrowed) J3 Cub landing gear & a steerable tailwheel.it is actually very
easy to steer accurately on the ground at low speeds. The low landing speed
also makes landings fairly easy. I've got probably around 400 landings in
my plane, and I've never scared myself. I'm sure landing with the (better
looking) motorcycle wheels is more difficult, and more susceptible to side
load.
My plane is a GN-1, by the way.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Harris
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly?
Questions
- does sideslipping increase your rate of descent significantly?
- does the aircraft float on forever when landing?
- What's the stall speed at MTOW and with the average pilot and
half tanks?
- Is the ground-handling as difficult as Bill's model represents?
(i.e no steering on the ground unless you really give it rice on the
throttle, and ground-loops at the sl;ighteest opportunity!)
- Are there mods which help her on the ground? Brakes or steerable
tailwheels?
That's enough for now - anyone know of an example in Spain?
Cheers,
Roger Harris
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Subject: landings---straight axle gear
Date: Feb 18, 2007
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Roger-- I agree with all of the posts pretty much except for the fact
that if you use the straight axle landing gear with motorcycle
wheels you have no excuse to point at the gear for a lousy landing or
ground loop. (unless you have a tailwheel fail or tailwheel steering
spring pop off on one side) Those with Cub or split axle landing gears
have to insure that they have good alignment built into their landing
gear legs so they track true down the runway on takeoff and landing.
(not as easy to build them that perfect as it might seem) With the
straight axle gear you have zero toe-in, toe-out, camber, or
caster----your wheels are dead nuts straight and that makes landing a
joy and
tracking easy. Even in stiff crosswinds you just dig your wing in low
into the wind on final and wheel land if you like or full stall and the
straight gear will be honest with you every single time. Any landing
problems that I have experienced were my own doing, own fault and
had nothing to do with my straight axle landing gear.
Mike C.
PS-- the two main things that make the straight axle landing gear
difficult to land are: 1) bungee cords wrapped way too tight with no
'give' or
shock absorption and 2) motorcycle tires over inflated giving too much
bounce/rebound on landings. You have to play with each of these
variables
to get them like grandma's feather bed......juuuuust right.
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Date: Feb 18, 2007
From: KMHeide <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Fwd: FlyChallenger: Air Force Test
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Subject: 3 Piece Wing Plans
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Date: Feb 18, 2007
Distances between ribs are only shown on the 1 piece wing plans. Have 3 piece
wing builders just scooted the first rib from the root in changing position from
11" between the first 2 ribs to 9" keeping the other measurements of the 1
pc wing? ...or does that cause interference with the drag and anti-drag wires?
...or do you just move them to positions that are close to the measurements
for 1 pc wing and slide to a place to eliminate interference, record the spacing
and repeat symetrically on the other side? Not ready to do this yet, just
planning it out.
Thanks
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p-931#95931
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From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: 3 Piece Wing Plans
Date: Feb 18, 2007
Glenn
Do you have the 3 piece wing plan supplement? If not, it's worth getting.
There are a few extra details you will need to consider.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3 Piece Wing Plans
>
>
> Distances between ribs are only shown on the 1 piece wing plans. Have 3
> piece wing builders just scooted the first rib from the root in changing
> position from 11" between the first 2 ribs to 9" keeping the other
> measurements of the 1 pc wing? ...or does that cause interference with
> the drag and anti-drag wires? ...or do you just move them to positions
> that are close to the measurements for 1 pc wing and slide to a place to
> eliminate interference, record the spacing and repeat symetrically on the
> other side? Not ready to do this yet, just planning it out.
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Glenn Thomas
> N?????
> http://www.flyingwood.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p-931#95931
>
>
>
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From: "Steve Singleton" <slsingleton(at)cvalley.net>
Subject: Pietenpol news letter
Date: Feb 18, 2007
Would someone be kind enough to post the info on where and to whom to send
money to get the Pietenpol news letter. I used to get it but cant seem to
find an old one to get an address. Thanks. Steve Singleton
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From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: winter
Date: Feb 18, 2007
Last night the wife was out with her sister so I had the house to myself
and did what a normal guy would do. I put on Mike Cuy's video and used
Geore Strait's live concert for sound. At the same time I traced out
aluminum sheets for my new fuel tanks.
This Minnesota winter is going by way too slowly.
Not much flying going on in the Cleveland area either, right Mike?
Dick N.
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From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol news letter
Date: Feb 18, 2007
Steve
Subscriptions are;
Brodhead Pietenpol Assn.
c/o Independent - Register
Box 255
Brodhead, WI. 53529-0255
1 yr $16.00
2 yr $30.00
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Singleton" <slsingleton(at)cvalley.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol news letter
>
>
> Would someone be kind enough to post the info on where and to whom to send
> money to get the Pietenpol news letter. I used to get it but cant seem to
> find an old one to get an address. Thanks. Steve Singleton
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Singleton" <slsingleton(at)cvalley.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol news letter
Date: Feb 18, 2007
Thanks Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol news letter
>
>
> Steve
> Subscriptions are;
> Brodhead Pietenpol Assn.
> c/o Independent - Register
> Box 255
> Brodhead, WI. 53529-0255
> 1 yr $16.00
> 2 yr $30.00
>
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From: "Ed G." <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 3 Piece Wing Plans
Date: Feb 19, 2007
Hi Glenn...Your last sentence is correct...Use the one piece wing
spacing except for the roor rib and scoot them minimally as needed to
clear the wires. I'm doing my 1st wing now and just learned something
the hard way. The trend according to the list is to align the lift strut
brackets on the wing to line up with the struts ( 28 degrees) instead of
Bernie's way, to eliminate some stresses. I saw that the British plans
which do this move the brackets out 3" but never guessed why. I wanted
my lift struts to the plans so I put them in at 28 degrees with the eye
in the origional position. When I went to put my ribs on,the bracket
interfered with rib # 8. I had to move it outboard 15/16" and then do
some creative spacing on all the other ribs. Hope you can follow all
this. If I had to do it again I would move the bracket outboard like in
the Britt's plans. Hope this helps you and anyone else planning to
change the brackets....Ed G.
----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Thomas<mailto:glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3 Piece Wing Plans
>
Distances between ribs are only shown on the 1 piece wing plans. Have
3 piece wing builders just scooted the first rib from the root in
changing position from 11" between the first 2 ribs to 9" keeping the
other measurements of the 1 pc wing? ...or does that cause interference
with the drag and anti-drag wires? ...or do you just move them to
positions that are close to the measurements for 1 pc wing and slide to
a place to eliminate interference, record the spacing and repeat
symetrically on the other side? Not ready to do this yet, just planning
it out.
Thanks
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com>
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p-931#95931
atronics.com/viewtopic.php?p-931#95931>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 3 Piece Wing Plans
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Date: Feb 19, 2007
That's exactly what I was wondering about. I wasn't sure if I needed to create
a couple ribs with openings that accomodate the plywood reinforcement and bracket
at the lift strut bracket or if that misses the rib. Then I got into the
whole spacing issue to figure out where the ribs land on the 3 piece wing and
realized that there are no given measurements. I can see that the ribs on the
outside of the center section and the ribs for the cabanes will need larger
openings for hardware, didn't know if that was the case for the lift strut attach
area ribs.
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'007#96007
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Lee Bottom Flying Field
Date: Feb 19, 2007
Howdy, 'polers;
Over the weekend I received a calendar from the Lee Bottom Flying Field
folks. Really sound like "our kind" of people. I am either dreaming or at
some time in the past I was subscribed to their e-newsletter, the "NORDO
News", but can't remember ever receiving it.
Any of you Pietenpolers ever make it to their fly-in in September, in
Indiana? I know at least two of you must have in the past because in the
photo featured on the calendar, a DC-3 is shown touching down on the grass
runway and there is a Piet clearly visible in the background, along the
flight line. It appears to be the "Last Original" or one just like it.
Also in their photos online, there is a Piet shown in one of the photos.
Anybody that loves tailwheels, grass strips, and old airplanes as much as
these folks, can't be all that bad!
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: Re: Lee Bottom Flying Field
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Feb 19, 2007
The Piet is probably Jim Kinsella's beautiful ship, I know he really likes to go
to that Fly-in. Supposed to be one of the better ones.
Don Emch
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'185#96185
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Lee Bottom Flying Field
Date: Feb 20, 2007
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Ginger and Rich Davidson own and run Lee Bottom and both are tailwheel
pilots, he is an airline pilot. Very nice people and met them several
years back when they were running the GA/homebuilt parking area at the
Indianapolis Air show. http://www.leebottom.com/
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 20, 2007
From: Gene Beenenga <kgbunltd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: How do they fly?
Steve, how about a pic or two of your GN-1. I am trying to finish up a GN-1.
What is your engine?
Gene
-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
>Sent: Feb 17, 2007 10:07 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly?
>
>In the real world, if there is one thing a Pietenpol can do exceptionally,
>it is slowing down. They are draggy airplanes. There is very, very little
>float on landing unless you start your flair above cruise speed. Again,
>lots of drag keeps your time to flair down. A lot of people land them with
>some power to give more float time. It has much, much less float than any
>other airplane I've flown. I'm pretty comfortable landing on a rough 1,000'
>strip. Taking off fully loaded from a 1,000' strip on a warm day is a
>different story.
>
>
>
>Like someone else said, you can lose a lot of altitude very quickly in an
>aggressive slip.
>
>
>
>Ground handling isn't bad at all in my plane in my opinion. However, I have
>a (narrowed) J3 Cub landing gear & a steerable tailwheel.it is actually very
>easy to steer accurately on the ground at low speeds. The low landing speed
>also makes landings fairly easy. I've got probably around 400 landings in
>my plane, and I've never scared myself. I'm sure landing with the (better
>looking) motorcycle wheels is more difficult, and more susceptible to side
>load.
>
>
>
>My plane is a GN-1, by the way.
>
>
>
>Steve Ruse
>
>Norman, OK
>
>
>
> _____
>
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Harris
>Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:57 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly?
>
>
>
>Questions
>
>
>
> - does sideslipping increase your rate of descent significantly?
>
>
>
>- does the aircraft float on forever when landing?
>
>- What's the stall speed at MTOW and with the average pilot and
>half tanks?
>
>- Is the ground-handling as difficult as Bill's model represents?
>(i.e no steering on the ground unless you really give it rice on the
>throttle, and ground-loops at the sl;ighteest opportunity!)
>
>- Are there mods which help her on the ground? Brakes or steerable
>tailwheels?
>
>
>
>That's enough for now - anyone know of an example in Spain?
>
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>
>
>Roger Harris
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 20, 2007
From: Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
Subject: How do they fly?
Here are about 40 pictures of my GN-1. It has a Continental A-75 engine.
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flyin/021007/
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flyin/111806/
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/GN1/
Climbing out:
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flyin/021007/P2100023.jpg
Here is one of me getting ready to go...it was about 28
degrees...notice the fog on the goggles:
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flyin/021007/P2100019.jpg
Steve
Quoting Gene Beenenga :
>
> Steve, how about a pic or two of your GN-1. I am trying to finish
> up a GN-1. What is your engine?
>
> Gene
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
>> Sent: Feb 17, 2007 10:07 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly?
>>
>> In the real world, if there is one thing a Pietenpol can do exceptionally,
>> it is slowing down. They are draggy airplanes. There is very, very little
>> float on landing unless you start your flair above cruise speed. Again,
>> lots of drag keeps your time to flair down. A lot of people land them with
>> some power to give more float time. It has much, much less float than any
>> other airplane I've flown. I'm pretty comfortable landing on a rough 1,000'
>> strip. Taking off fully loaded from a 1,000' strip on a warm day is a
>> different story.
>>
>>
>>
>> Like someone else said, you can lose a lot of altitude very quickly in an
>> aggressive slip.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ground handling isn't bad at all in my plane in my opinion. However, I have
>> a (narrowed) J3 Cub landing gear & a steerable tailwheel.it is actually very
>> easy to steer accurately on the ground at low speeds. The low landing speed
>> also makes landings fairly easy. I've got probably around 400 landings in
>> my plane, and I've never scared myself. I'm sure landing with the (better
>> looking) motorcycle wheels is more difficult, and more susceptible to side
>> load.
>>
>>
>>
>> My plane is a GN-1, by the way.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve Ruse
>>
>> Norman, OK
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Harris
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:57 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly?
>>
>>
>>
>> Questions
>>
>>
>>
>> - does sideslipping increase your rate of descent significantly?
>>
>>
>>
>> - does the aircraft float on forever when landing?
>>
>> - What's the stall speed at MTOW and with the average pilot and
>> half tanks?
>>
>> - Is the ground-handling as difficult as Bill's model represents?
>> (i.e no steering on the ground unless you really give it rice on the
>> throttle, and ground-loops at the sl;ighteest opportunity!)
>>
>> - Are there mods which help her on the ground? Brakes or steerable
>> tailwheels?
>>
>>
>>
>> That's enough for now - anyone know of an example in Spain?
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Roger Harris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: <harvey.rule(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: How do they fly?
Date: Feb 20, 2007
Great pics Steve;I have ordered my silk scarf and it's on the way!
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Skip-Cinda Gadd" <csfog(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: How do they fly?
Date: Feb 20, 2007
Steve,
The Grega we have, Felix the GN-1, also has Cub gear. The tread is the same
as a Cub, 72". How did your gear get narrowed? Maybe it came off one of
those aerobatic clipped-gear Cubs ;)
Skip
> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
> >> Sent: Feb 17, 2007 10:07 PM
> >> Ground handling isn't bad at all in my plane in my opinion. However,
I have
> >> a (narrowed) J3 Cub landing gear
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 20, 2007
From: Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
Subject: How do they fly?
You'll like the scarf, it really helps keep your neck from getting
chaffed when you are looking around for Germans in their Fokkers.
Funny story from flying on February 10th (probably more funny if you
were there, but here it is anyway):
I went up early on the morning of the 10th, and at some time unknown
to me, my scarf departed the flight. After landing, a friend and I
jumped in his Citabria to go (scarf) hunting in the areas I had been
flying. The area is mostly unpopulated, but we actually found the
scarf in someone's front yard, landed, drove out there and picked it
up. Talk about a needle in a haystack.
Steve
Quoting harvey.rule(at)sympatico.ca:
>
> Great pics Steve;I have ordered my silk scarf and it's on the way!
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <dj(at)veghdesign.com>
Subject: Re: How do they fly?
Date: Feb 20, 2007
I think he meant the "vee" is narrowed. I too have J3 gear on mine and the
Vee had to be narrowed an inch or two to fit the narrower fuse width of the
GN-1
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Skip-Cinda Gadd" <csfog(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly?
>
> Steve,
> The Grega we have, Felix the GN-1, also has Cub gear. The tread is the
same
> as a Cub, 72". How did your gear get narrowed? Maybe it came off one of
> those aerobatic clipped-gear Cubs ;)
> Skip
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
> > >> Sent: Feb 17, 2007 10:07 PM
>
> > >> Ground handling isn't bad at all in my plane in my opinion. However,
> I have
> > >> a (narrowed) J3 Cub landing gear
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lee Bottom Flying Field
Date: Feb 20, 2007
From: n925wb1(at)aol.com
I've been to their "Sinful Sunday's" fly-in once. The field is right nice, and
the folks are plently friendly. I didn't fly in, but did snag quite a few good
photos while I was there.
http://www.taildraggersinc.com/Gallery/Lee_Bottom_SS_08132006.htm
If anyone is thinking about flying in to Lee Bottom, quit thinking. The answer
is "YES!"
-Wayne
-----Original Message-----
From: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
Sent: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 9:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lee Bottom Flying Field
Howdy, 'polers;
Over the weekend I received a calendar from the Lee Bottom Flying Field folks.
Really sound like "our kind" of people. I am either dreaming or at some time in
the past I was subscribed to their e-newsletter, the "NORDO News", but can't
remember ever receiving it.
Any of you Pietenpolers ever make it to their fly-in in September, in Indiana?
I know at least two of you must have in the past because in the photo featured
on the calendar, a DC-3 is shown touching down on the grass runway and there
is a Piet clearly visible in the background, along the flight line. It appears
to be the "Last Original" or one just like it. Also in their photos online, there
is a Piet shown in one of the photos.
Anybody that loves tailwheels, grass strips, and old airplanes as much as these
folks, can't be all that bad!
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: How do they fly?
Date: Feb 20, 2007
Just received my silk scarf today and it's so nice I'm going to order
another one.
Gene
N502R----- Original Message -----
From: <harvey.rule(at)sympatico.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:52 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly?
>
> Great pics Steve;I have ordered my silk scarf and it's on the way!
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 20, 2007
From: Larry Rice <rice(at)iapdatacom.net>
Subject: Lee Bottom Airfield
If you want to subscribe to their newsletter, go to:
http://www.leebottom.com/
Micro Mong Larry
--
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 20, 2007
Subject: Routine Maintenance
I just thought I would send along some info on a few of the items I am
addressing, and maybe spark a discussion of what you other guys do as routin
e
maintenance. I have just over 300 hrs on 'er now.
I removed the exhaust pipes to sandblast, paint (white again), and wrap
the upper portion of the pipes with insulating wrap from Thermo-Tec, for two
reasons:
1. Better exhaust scavenging by maintaining a higher temp in the exhaust
gases, that exit the system faster through decreased density.
2. Make More and Better Smoke !! If the mineral oil is more completely
vaporized through higher temperature, it will make more smoke, and leave les
s
residue on the airframe.
Remove the spark plugs for sandblast, inspection, and check gaps. Befor
e
sandblasting, the plugs had a nice medium to dark gray color, except that I
found that #2 cylinder has some oil residue on them. The plugs will be
re-installed in the next higher cylinder, and switched from top to bottom.
After
first flight of the year, I'll do a compression test and change the oil.
Remove the Slick mags for clean, inspect, and check the gap. I also had
a slight oil leak at the gaskets of the mags, which I'll use a very thin
application of Hylomar - gasket & jointing compound. It's not silicone, but
looks
and feels similar. This stuff is manufactured under licensee from Rolls
Royce...so it can't be all that bad !!
Remove all the valve covers (slight oil leak) for clean & inspect, and
give the gaskets the same treatment with the Hylomar.
Fabric and paint the fixed trim tab on the rudder, and re-do the
re-inforce patch where the rudder cables and flipper cables protrude the sid
es of the
aft fuselage.
Jack up the plane, deflate the tires, pull the wheel bearings for clean
and inspect, remove the tires from the rims and turn the tires around end fo
r
end, because of the camber wearing the outer half of the tire tread - I have
split axle gear.
Fabricate and weld some stops on the torque tube, for 32=BA up travel an
d
25=BA down travel of the flippers.
Before first flight of the year, I'll loosen the prop bolts, re-torque t
o
17 ft. lbs, and re-saftey. I do this 2 or 3 times a year.
Pull every inspection cover on the plane for inspection with a mirror an
d
a bright flashlight. Two drops of oil on all hinges, bearings, and spring
gear. Clean and inspect the entire fabric surface, and wax the leading edge
of
the wing, and wax the prop...might even wax the car.
This inevitably is just a partial list of to do's. What do you other
guys do ?
Chuck G.
NX770CG
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 20, 2007
Subject: Cutting the Toilet Paper
I've been playing around with putting up a short clip on Youtube video. You
folks that have high speed connection might get a kick out of the 4 minute
clip I put together. I did a mixture of music and engine sound.
Here is the link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz-IUf5oex4
Chuck G.
NX770CG
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Routine Maintenance
From: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort(at)alfalaval.com>
Date: Feb 21, 2007
Chuck
Just did my annual inspection before the winter and decided to make a
checklist for this (see attached)
(See attached file: Pietenpol Air Camper anual inspection.doc)
As the weather has been pretty bad lately, I have decided to replace some
engine components and to enlarge the wind screens.
Termotec is pretty good stuff, I have it on my exhaust tubes, to keep heat
out from under the cowling.
Termotec is not flammable but can soak up oil.
You might smoke from unwanted places
Hans
NX15KV
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Routine Maintenance
Date: Feb 21, 2007
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com>
I've got a pretty similar checklist I use for my annual "Condition
Inspections", suitable for Pietenpols with straight axle landing gear
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hans
Vander Voort
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Routine Maintenance
Chuck
Just did my annual inspection before the winter and decided to make a
checklist for this (see attached)
(See attached file: Pietenpol Air Camper anual inspection.doc)
As the weather has been pretty bad lately, I have decided to replace
some
engine components and to enlarge the wind screens.
Termotec is pretty good stuff, I have it on my exhaust tubes, to keep
heat
out from under the cowling.
Termotec is not flammable but can soak up oil.
You might smoke from unwanted places
Hans
NX15KV
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Date: Feb 22, 2007
From: Gene Beenenga <kgbunltd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: How do they fly?
Steve, thanks for the pics. Looks great! Just confirms how much further I have
to go!
Gene
-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
>Sent: Feb 20, 2007 9:04 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly?
>
>
>Here are about 40 pictures of my GN-1. It has a Continental A-75 engine.
>
>http://www.wotelectronics.com/flyin/021007/
>http://www.wotelectronics.com/flyin/111806/
>http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/GN1/
>
>Climbing out:
>http://www.wotelectronics.com/flyin/021007/P2100023.jpg
>
>Here is one of me getting ready to go...it was about 28
>degrees...notice the fog on the goggles:
>http://www.wotelectronics.com/flyin/021007/P2100019.jpg
>
>Steve
>
>Quoting Gene Beenenga :
>
>>
>> Steve, how about a pic or two of your GN-1. I am trying to finish
>> up a GN-1. What is your engine?
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
>>> Sent: Feb 17, 2007 10:07 PM
>>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly?
>>>
>>> In the real world, if there is one thing a Pietenpol can do exceptionally,
>>> it is slowing down. They are draggy airplanes. There is very, very little
>>> float on landing unless you start your flair above cruise speed. Again,
>>> lots of drag keeps your time to flair down. A lot of people land them with
>>> some power to give more float time. It has much, much less float than any
>>> other airplane I've flown. I'm pretty comfortable landing on a rough 1,000'
>>> strip. Taking off fully loaded from a 1,000' strip on a warm day is a
>>> different story.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Like someone else said, you can lose a lot of altitude very quickly in an
>>> aggressive slip.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ground handling isn't bad at all in my plane in my opinion. However, I have
>>> a (narrowed) J3 Cub landing gear & a steerable tailwheel.it is actually very
>>> easy to steer accurately on the ground at low speeds. The low landing speed
>>> also makes landings fairly easy. I've got probably around 400 landings in
>>> my plane, and I've never scared myself. I'm sure landing with the (better
>>> looking) motorcycle wheels is more difficult, and more susceptible to side
>>> load.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My plane is a GN-1, by the way.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve Ruse
>>>
>>> Norman, OK
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _____
>>>
>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Harris
>>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:57 AM
>>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Questions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - does sideslipping increase your rate of descent significantly?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - does the aircraft float on forever when landing?
>>>
>>> - What's the stall speed at MTOW and with the average pilot and
>>> half tanks?
>>>
>>> - Is the ground-handling as difficult as Bill's model represents?
>>> (i.e no steering on the ground unless you really give it rice on the
>>> throttle, and ground-loops at the sl;ighteest opportunity!)
>>>
>>> - Are there mods which help her on the ground? Brakes or steerable
>>> tailwheels?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's enough for now - anyone know of an example in Spain?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Roger Harris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Cutting the Toilet Paper
Date: Feb 22, 2007
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
That was some good video, Chuck. Thanks for posting that and letting us
fly thru the flight with you. Great fun that is. Have
you given crepe paper rolls a try yet ? The Dollar Store or Wal Mart
has those rolls at reasonable prices. Catch them outside of
your prop about mid-wing on each side and then fly around town with
them. I've found there is a Vncp (velocity never exceed while
dragging crepe paper around) because it will stretch to a point then
break if you go too fast.
Mike C.
PS-- my apologies to any tree huggers
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fuse assembly question
Date: Feb 22, 2007
From: "Dan Loegering" <danl(at)odayequipment.com>
Ok all you guys that have been here before, Just need a quick bit of clarification.
When looking from the top of your fuselage as you were assembling, the diagonal
cross members should form an "X" correct? Example: the top piece diagonals from
upper right to lower left, and the bottom piece diagonals from upper left
to lower right...
I know, simple question, but long evening hours and looking at too many plans sets
have temporarily fried my brain.
Thanks!
Dan Loegering
Fargo, ND
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Subject: Fuse assembly question
Date: Feb 22, 2007
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com>
>From an engineering standpoint it just doesn't matter. Mine are the
same, top & bottom - no X
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Loegering
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuse assembly question
Ok all you guys that have been here before, Just need a quick bit of
clarification.
When looking from the top of your fuselage as you were assembling, the
diagonal cross members should form an "X" correct? Example: the top
piece diagonals from upper right to lower left, and the bottom piece
diagonals from upper left to lower right...
I know, simple question, but long evening hours and looking at too many
plans sets have temporarily fried my brain.
Thanks!
Dan Loegering
Fargo, ND
_________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: aluminum leading edge
From: Tom Bernie <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Feb 22, 2007
Folks,
Can anyone advise me about how to apply the .013 aluminum leading edge
skins called for on my GN-1 plans. I can't find anything definitive on
the web or in my books.
Thanks,
Tom Bernie
Gloucester Mass
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Date: Feb 22, 2007
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fuse assembly question
Mine ended up right to left on top and left to right on the bottom when
behind the fuselage facing forward.
Rick
On 2/22/07, Dan Loegering wrote:
>
> danl(at)odayequipment.com>
>
> Ok all you guys that have been here before, Just need a quick bit of
> clarification.
>
> When looking from the top of your fuselage as you were assembling, the
> diagonal cross members should form an "X" correct? Example: the top piece
> diagonals from upper right to lower left, and the bottom piece diagonals
> from upper left to lower right...
>
> I know, simple question, but long evening hours and looking at too many
> plans sets have temporarily fried my brain.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dan Loegering
> Fargo, ND
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Fuse assembly question
Date: Feb 23, 2007
Dan,
Jacks correct, doesnt make any difference. Mine are in the X shape. Check
out http://www.cpc-world.com for some pictures.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Loegering
Sent: Friday, 23 February 2007 1:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuse assembly question
Ok all you guys that have been here before, Just need a quick bit of
clarification.
When looking from the top of your fuselage as you were assembling, the
diagonal cross members should form an "X" correct? Example: the top piece
diagonals from upper right to lower left, and the bottom piece diagonals
from upper left to lower right...
I know, simple question, but long evening hours and looking at too many
plans sets have temporarily fried my brain.
Thanks!
Dan Loegering
Fargo, ND
--
3:19 PM
--
3:19 PM
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dale Johnson" <ddjohn(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Fuse assembly question
Date: Feb 22, 2007
Dan
I thing you have it reversed.
If we are looking at the same thing.
The top brace should go from the front left to the rear right.
The bottom brace should go from the front right to the rear left.
The bottom sketch is from the bottom of the plane.
Dale MPLS
> [Original Message]
> From: Dan Loegering <danl(at)odayequipment.com>
> To:
> Date: 2/22/2007 8:31:08 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuse assembly question
>
>
> Ok all you guys that have been here before, Just need a quick bit of
clarification.
>
> When looking from the top of your fuselage as you were assembling, the
diagonal cross members should form an "X" correct? Example: the top piece
diagonals from upper right to lower left, and the bottom piece diagonals
from upper left to lower right...
>
> I know, simple question, but long evening hours and looking at too many
plans sets have temporarily fried my brain.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dan Loegering
> Fargo, ND
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 23, 2007
Subject: Re: Cutting the Toilet Paper
In a message dated 2/22/2007 7:36:17 AM Central Standard Time,
michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov writes:
That was some good video, Chuck. Thanks for posting that and letting us fly
thru the flight with you. Great fun that is. Have
you given crepe paper rolls a try yet ? The Dollar Store or Wal Mart has
those rolls at reasonable prices. Catch them outside of
your prop about mid-wing on each side and then fly around town with them.
I've found there is a Vncp (velocity never exceed while
dragging crepe paper around) because it will stretch to a point then break if
you go too fast.
Mike C.
Hey Mikee,
I haven't tried the crepe paper yet, so it is on my 'to do' list this summer.
I'll just have to keep 'er below the Vnewdcpa speed.
Question: Would a slip, slide the crepe paper off the wing ? Would a slip
in the other direction slide the crepe paper closer to the center ? Come to
think of it, it would probably make a pretty good Angle of Attack Indicator !!
I'm gonna have to get some video of that !!
Check list for Dollor Store :
Ten Bottles of Baby Oil
Ten rolls of Crepe paper
Chuck G.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 23, 2007
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Cutting the Toilet Paper
Now here is a challange, Toss the roll over the side, then catch it with your wing,
then slip into the streamer and see if you can grab it and pull it back in
the airplane, then climb and use it again. The guy who catches and re-releases
the streamer the most times wins a beer (after the flying is done for the
day). Kind of like catch and release fishing. Then gather up all the torn up
streamers and aero distribute them to the local tree huggers convention. Just
kidding about the last part......Or am I?
Shad
Hey Mikee,
I haven't tried the crepe paper yet, so it is on my 'to do' list this summer.
I'll just have to keep 'er below the Vnewdcpa speed.
Question: Would a slip, slide the crepe paper off the wing ? Would a slip in
the other direction slide the crepe paper closer to the center ? Come to think
of it, it would probably make a pretty good Angle of Attack Indicator !!
I'm gonna have to get some video of that !!
Check list for Dollor Store :
Ten Bottles of Baby Oil
Ten rolls of Crepe paper
Chuck G.
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Flying again.
Date: Feb 24, 2007
Hi Guys,
After some enforced repairs caused by a ground loop, I had the Piet flying
again yesterday. I have fitted a re pitched prop, changed the tailwheel and
brake setup and improved the cooling system. The flight was uneventful other
than a rather large grin all over my face. Hands and feet off the Piet
wanted to go nose down a little but I think a little more power and that
will trim out. I have fitted a trim lever but will need to get tensions
correct before use.
At the end of the taxi back to the hangar, the oil temp was a bit high but I
think I'll leave the engine some more hours to bed in before doing much else
with the baffles.
If the weather holds good, I'll be doing some more testing in the next
couple of weeks to see how things go. It all looks good now though.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
--
1:26 PM
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Flying again.[Scanned]
Date: Feb 24, 2007
From: "Rob Hart" <rob_hart(at)aiondiagnostics.com>
Great news Peter, congratulations. I can just imagine that grin; I'd be
wearing it a long time if I was you!
Rob Hart
Perth, Australia
VH-PTN (reserved)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W
Johnson
Sent: Saturday, 24 February 2007 12:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying again.[Scanned]
Hi Guys,
After some enforced repairs caused by a ground loop, I had the Piet
flying
again yesterday. I have fitted a re pitched prop, changed the tailwheel
and
brake setup and improved the cooling system. The flight was uneventful
other
than a rather large grin all over my face. Hands and feet off the Piet
wanted to go nose down a little but I think a little more power and that
will trim out. I have fitted a trim lever but will need to get tensions
correct before use.
At the end of the taxi back to the hangar, the oil temp was a bit high
but I
think I'll leave the engine some more hours to bed in before doing much
else
with the baffles.
If the weather holds good, I'll be doing some more testing in the next
couple of weeks to see how things go. It all looks good now though.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
--
1:26 PM
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From: "Wayne Poole" <dxechkn(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: New to list
Date: Feb 24, 2007
My name is Wayne Poole and I live in Denham Springs, Louisiana. My brother
and I have a GN-1 with a Continental 0-200 that is about 95% complete.We're planning
to use a J-3 type cowling and I'm trying to find the nose bowl brackets
that mount on the front of the engine. I'm told that the brackets from Wag-aero
and Univair are for a 65hp Continental and will not fit an 0-200. Does anyone
on the list know where I can locate them or if anyone has drawings of brackets
so I can fabricate some?
Wayne Poole
dxechkn(at)earthlink.net
EarthLink Revolves Around You.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "GlennThomas(at)flyingwood.com" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Subject: Re: Flying again.
Date: Feb 24, 2007
Glad to see that you and the plane are back in the air again.
Always nice to hear about another finished project going into service!
Glenn W. Thomas
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:39 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying again.
>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> After some enforced repairs caused by a ground loop, I had the Piet flying
> again yesterday. I have fitted a re pitched prop, changed the tailwheel
> and
> brake setup and improved the cooling system. The flight was uneventful
> other
> than a rather large grin all over my face. Hands and feet off the Piet
> wanted to go nose down a little but I think a little more power and that
> will trim out. I have fitted a trim lever but will need to get tensions
> correct before use.
>
> At the end of the taxi back to the hangar, the oil temp was a bit high but
> I
> think I'll leave the engine some more hours to bed in before doing much
> else
> with the baffles.
>
> If the weather holds good, I'll be doing some more testing in the next
> couple of weeks to see how things go. It all looks good now though.
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> Wonthaggi Australia
> http://www.cpc-world.com
>
>
> --
> 1:26 PM
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Date: Feb 24, 2007
A while back a fellow in my EAA chapter approached me warning of the dangers of
the Pietenpol, notably that the cockpit MUST be wider than plans because there
isn't enough room between your legs to get full control of the ailerons. I
asked the list about this and others didn't find this to be a problem. If I stick
with the plans (like I am planning to do) and actually do have this problem,
could I replace the aileron horns with shorter a shorter version allowing
me more control over the ailerons with the same amount of stick travel? ...or
does the force required to move them increase because of the loss of leverage
and thus creating another undesirable characteristic?
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97042#97042
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 24, 2007
Subject: Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question
Glen,
Go back and take a look at the diameter of the guy's legs that told you they
would get in the way. If they looked like tree trunks, ya think maybe that
could have anything to do with it?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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Date: Feb 24, 2007
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question
Glen,
Think it had been stated from time to time, and no one has challenged it
with conflicting data,,,,,That a Pietenpol has never failed due to design
errors.
I'd imagine that would be considered a design error
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:17 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question
>
>
> A while back a fellow in my EAA chapter approached me warning of the
> dangers of the Pietenpol, notably that the cockpit MUST be wider than
> plans because there isn't enough room between your legs to get full
> control of the ailerons. I asked the list about this and others didn't
> find this to be a problem. If I stick with the plans (like I am planning
> to do) and actually do have this problem, could I replace the aileron
> horns with shorter a shorter version allowing me more control over the
> ailerons with the same amount of stick travel? ...or does the force
> required to move them increase because of the loss of leverage and thus
> creating another undesirable characteristic?
>
> --------
> Glenn Thomas
> N?????
> http://www.flyingwood.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97042#97042
>
>
>
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From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question
Date: Feb 24, 2007
As a person who only weighs 150 lbs., maybe my opinion doesn't count.
However, I don't think there is any problem with getting all the aileron
(stick) travel you need in a stock width Piet unless you have large size
thighs. Try saying that five times, real fast!
Reminds me of what our daughter told us about the car that had us so worried
when we got back from our vacation. "The brakes don't work! The pedal
won't go all the way to the floor! It's dangerous to drive!". Floor mat
was bunched up under the brake pedal. Car was just fine.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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From: <harvey.rule(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question
Date: Feb 24, 2007
Unless your planning on doing arobatics with the Piet ,I can't see a
problem.Of coarse if you are planning on using it for that purpose,let me
know how you make out.I once knew a guy who was dumb enough to do a hammer
role with a Lazair ultralight while the A frame was being held together with
duck tape,crazy baby!
>From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question
>Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:07:49 -0600
>
>
>
>As a person who only weighs 150 lbs., maybe my opinion doesn't count.
>However, I don't think there is any problem with getting all the aileron
>(stick) travel you need in a stock width Piet unless you have large size
>thighs. Try saying that five times, real fast!
>
>Reminds me of what our daughter told us about the car that had us so
>worried when we got back from our vacation. "The brakes don't work! The
>pedal won't go all the way to the floor! It's dangerous to drive!". Floor
>mat was bunched up under the brake pedal. Car was just fine.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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>
>
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From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 24, 2007
Subject: Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question
Glen,
There is no such thing as a dumb question.
There is NO problem with the plans width fuselage, unless like Dan mentioned,
your legs are as big as tree trunks. Mine is a Short Fuselage, plans width.
I am 6' tall, and about 210 lbs, but my legs are Not as big as tree trunks,
however, my legs do serve well as the aileron stops. In about 300 hrs flight
time, I have Never even came close to having the stick buried into either leg.
Don't even consider changing the length of the aileron horns...the controls
function very well the way they are.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 24, 2007
Subject: Re: New to list
In a message dated 2/24/2007 4:50:27 AM Central Standard Time,
dxechkn(at)earthlink.net writes:
Does anyone on the list know where I can locate them or if anyone has
drawings of brackets so I can fabricate some?
Wayne,
Welcome to the list.
I have a Continental A65 on my Pietenpol, but I didn't like the thought of
having the cowling attached to the front of the engine, like the J3 Cub. I
built my cowl so it is totally independent of the engine, and it mounts Only to
the firewall.
You can see how it goes together on this page of my web site :
http://nx770cg.com/EngProp.html
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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Subject: Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Date: Feb 24, 2007
Thanks everyone for the feedback. I guess my EAA chapter test pilot just got a
lemon to base all his future opinions of Piets on. The replies were overwhelmingly
an indication that the plans are good as is and I'll continue to use them
as they are. My idea seems unnecessary at this point.
Thanks
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
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Subject: Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Feb 24, 2007
Just something to think about... I went to an EAA chapter meeting several years
ago about an hour or so away. I went because I heard there was a guy there
that built a Piet and was going to give a presentation on it. I was really anticipating
this and was anxiously awaiting his speech during the first half of
the meeting. Finally his turn came and I was really shocked when the first thing
he said was how awful of an airplane the Pietenpol was to fly. He went on
to say he had about an hour and a half on it and it was the most terrifying
flying he had ever done. He declared that Pietenpols were very unstable and his
ship would never fly again. There were probably 40 EAAers or so at this meeting
that were actively soaking up all of his Pietenpol experiences. At the
closing he felt that building it was a good experience but for someone who wanted
an airplane to fly they had better pick another design. After the meeting,
while hanging around for a while, and being almost afraid to mention to anyone
that I was building one of these beasts, I heard his ship was in the hangar
out back. I walked back to see it and saw a ship built with many deviations
from the plans that lead to many other changes that lead to an airplane that was
a builder's heartbreak because it never had a chance to be a good flying airplane.
Unfortunately all of the EAAers in there probably left with the same
impressions he had on the Pietenpol.
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97149#97149
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Date: Feb 25, 2007
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question
Don,
This wasn't in Fla. was it?
Cause I met a guy who build one such beast. Luckily for all, a few years
later a hurricane came thru and rolled it into a ball.
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question
>
> Just something to think about... I went to an EAA chapter meeting several
> years ago about an hour or so away. I went because I heard there was a
> guy there that built a Piet and was going to give a presentation on it. I
> was really anticipating this and was anxiously awaiting his speech during
> the first half of the meeting. Finally his turn came and I was really
> shocked when the first thing he said was how awful of an airplane the
> Pietenpol was to fly. He went on to say he had about an hour and a half
> on it and it was the most terrifying flying he had ever done. He declared
> that Pietenpols were very unstable and his ship would never fly again.
> There were probably 40 EAAers or so at this meeting that were actively
> soaking up all of his Pietenpol experiences. At the closing he felt that
> building it was a good experience but for someone who wanted an airplane
> to fly they had better pick another design. After the meeting, while
> hanging around for a while, and being almost!
> afraid to mention to anyone that I was building one of these beasts, I
> heard his ship was in the hangar out back. I walked back to see it and
> saw a ship built with many deviations from the plans that lead to many
> other changes that lead to an airplane that was a builder's heartbreak
> because it never had a chance to be a good flying airplane. Unfortunately
> all of the EAAers in there probably left with the same impressions he had
> on the Pietenpol.
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97149#97149
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: <harvey.rule(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question
Date: Feb 25, 2007
Good job you took the time to find out the real problem.Too bad for others
who listen to people whom they think are authorities on a subject but are
really only bad press because they failed the real test.Nothing new
here,it'sbeen going on for centuries;flat world,can't go faster than 20 mph
or we will fly apart etc.There will always be the nay sayers.Now go and
build your Piet as per directions from the master,Bernard Pietenpol and
enjoy a great aircraft!
>From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question
>Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:28:05 -0800
>
>
>Just something to think about... I went to an EAA chapter meeting several
>years ago about an hour or so away. I went because I heard there was a guy
>there that built a Piet and was going to give a presentation on it. I was
>really anticipating this and was anxiously awaiting his speech during the
>first half of the meeting. Finally his turn came and I was really shocked
>when the first thing he said was how awful of an airplane the Pietenpol was
>to fly. He went on to say he had about an hour and a half on it and it was
>the most terrifying flying he had ever done. He declared that Pietenpols
>were very unstable and his ship would never fly again. There were probably
>40 EAAers or so at this meeting that were actively soaking up all of his
>Pietenpol experiences. At the closing he felt that building it was a good
>experience but for someone who wanted an airplane to fly they had better
>pick another design. After the meeting, while hanging around for a while,
>and being almost!
> afraid to mention to anyone that I was building one of these beasts, I
>heard his ship was in the hangar out back. I walked back to see it and saw
>a ship built with many deviations from the plans that lead to many other
>changes that lead to an airplane that was a builder's heartbreak because it
>never had a chance to be a good flying airplane. Unfortunately all of the
>EAAers in there probably left with the same impressions he had on the
>Pietenpol.
>
>Don Emch
>NX899DE
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97149#97149
>
>
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Date: Feb 25, 2007
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Flying again.
Hello Peter, Glad to hear you are airborn again. How is the old Corvair
running? Just currious if you have the 12 plate oil cooler or the 8 plate cooler.
Dad just got all his parts for his corvair back from the machine shop.
Hopefully we will have it back togeather by the time our runway thaws out and
drys out.
Shad
>
> After some enforced repairs caused by a ground loop, I had the Piet flying
> again yesterday. I have fitted a re pitched prop, changed the tailwheel
> and
> brake setup and improved the cooling system. The flight was uneventful
> other
> than a rather large grin all over my face. Hands and feet off the Piet
> wanted to go nose down a little but I think a little more power and that
> will trim out. I have fitted a trim lever but will need to get tensions
> correct before use.
>
> At the end of the taxi back to the hangar, the oil temp was a bit high but
> I
> think I'll leave the engine some more hours to bed in before doing much
> else
> with the baffles.
>
> If the weather holds good, I'll be doing some more testing in the next
> couple of weeks to see how things go. It all looks good now though.
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> Wonthaggi Australia
> http://www.cpc-world.com
>
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From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Flying again.
Date: Feb 26, 2007
Shad,
I have just changed out an 8 plate to a 12 plate. I also added a bit more
baffling but I think the major influence on the engine temps has been the
re-pitching of the prop. I am not climbing uphill in top gear anymore! The
engine is running and sounding sweet. I hope it all continues.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again.
Hello Peter, Glad to hear you are airborn again. How is the old Corvair
running? Just currious if you have the 12 plate oil cooler or the 8 plate
cooler. Dad just got all his parts for his corvair back from the machine
shop. Hopefully we will have it back togeather by the time our runway thaws
out and drys out.
Shad
>
> After some enforced repairs caused by a ground loop, I had the Piet flying
> again yesterday. I have fitted a re pitched prop, changed the tailwheel
> and
> brake setup and improved the cooling system. The flight was uneventful
> other
> than a rather large grin all over my face. Hands and feet off the Piet
> wanted to go nose down a little but I think a little more power and that
> will trim out. I have fitted a trim lever but will need to get tensions
> correct before use.
>
> At the end of the taxi back to the hangar, the oil temp was a bit high but
> I
> think I'll leave the engine some more hours to bed in before doing much
> else
> with the baffles.
>
> If the weather holds good, I'll be doing some more testing in the next
> couple of weeks to see how things go. It all looks good now though.
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> Wonthaggi Australia
> http://www.cpc-world.com
>
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Subject: Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Feb 25, 2007
Walt, the airplane was in Ohio and I never did hear much about it again. It's
been probably 11 or 12 years since I attended that meeting.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: update on 41CC
Date: Feb 25, 2007
Well, I guess since the Pietenpol Air Camper is such an antiquated,
inadequate, unsafe, clumsy design- I shouldn't say this, but I just spent
one of the most memorable days of my life flying one.
Today marked one of the longest instructional flights in my logbook except
for dual x-c's during my training days for my private... 2.5 hrs. dual, 16
landings logged in 41CC today. I can honestly say that it was one of the
most challenging, but fun, instructional flights that are in my logbook.
The airplane flies as honest and as pure as any airplane can possibly fly.
There is nothing quirky about this Pietenpol Air Camper. Nothing. It takes
off, climbs, cruises, stalls, descends, lands, turns, and does everything
else exactly the way elementary flight instruction is taught and the way any
pilot can expect a conventional, 3-axis airplane to fly. There are no
surprises, no mysteries. The airplane requires that the pilot know how to
fly, and that is all.
We flew circuits at T86 to both ends of the runway (essentially zero wind),
then blew out of the pattern to go fly stalls and Dutch rolls and let me see
what the vertical velocity indicator showed at different airspeeds. That
was cheating, because 41CC actually has two gyro instruments... a T&B and a
VVI (I was taught that it was a VSI, but I guess all that changed somewhere
along the line and now it has a new name). But none of that is necessary.
Charlie sat up front and he could set the airplane up to demonstrate a
maneuver at 70MPH, power and controls, then ask me what airspeed we were
showing. 70MPH. Not a penny more nor less. You can fly this airplane
without the instruments. Later, I swapped seats with Charlie and flew it
from the front and did even better except that the toes of my boots kept
hitting the fuel tank. But it's a blast to fly this airplane.
We flew out to a ranch airstrip, not a whole lot more than gravel and dirt,
and I actually did better at approaches and landings there than I did to the
"big, real, paved runway" at Zapata. It was more fun that a guy should be
allowed to have.
I guess I'm signed off to fly the airplane, but before I bring it home I'm
going up for one more session of dual. A circuit or three, a few touch and
goes, then I'll head off on my first solo and x-c in it, to bring it back
home. I hate to do it, Charlie loves the airplane so much and gives so many
people rides in it. Last one was a 12-year-old that he flew over his
family's ranch yesterday. That lad will never forget that flight, I can
assure you. And Charlie flies another guy's Zenith 701 regularly (they use
aircraft for herding and spotting cattle down here) and says the Piet is as
good as, or better, at the job than the 701. Comparable short field
performance, more comfortable loitering at cow-spotting altitude, more fun
to fly. I'll take his word.
Corky, you built a winner.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
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From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: flying the front seat
Date: Feb 26, 2007
One more comment on flying 41CC. Neither Charlie nor I have very much ,er,
padding in our gluteus maximuses (maximi?). That being the case, the front
seat of a Pietenpol will test your endurance after 2.5 hours. I didn't
notice any discomfort flying from either position but then again, I was too
busy having fun. Charlie groaned a bit and had to stretch for a while after
he climbed out, but then again he's probably 15 years my senior.
The front seater really has a very classic look out the front windscreen,
just like in the movies. It is exciting to sit up there with the eyebrow
scoops and prop about a yard ahead of your eyes, especially on final
approach. I can see as how people love to take rides in the Piet, it really
is a sensational ride up there.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: flying the front seat
Date: Feb 26, 2007
Hey Oscar
When you are ready to experience luxury Piet flying try a self inflating
sleeping bag pad from a camping store. You roll it over a couple of times
for the seat and leave the inflation valve at the top behind your shoulder.
You can then adjust inflation in flight. It has made lots of difference for
me. You will be able to walk much faster for the toilet after the 2 1/2 hr
flight.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:05 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying the front seat
>
>
> One more comment on flying 41CC. Neither Charlie nor I have very much
> ,er, padding in our gluteus maximuses (maximi?). That being the case, the
> front seat of a Pietenpol will test your endurance after 2.5 hours. I
> didn't notice any discomfort flying from either position but then again, I
> was too busy having fun. Charlie groaned a bit and had to stretch for a
> while after he climbed out, but then again he's probably 15 years my
> senior.
>
> The front seater really has a very classic look out the front windscreen,
> just like in the movies. It is exciting to sit up there with the eyebrow
> scoops and prop about a yard ahead of your eyes, especially on final
> approach. I can see as how people love to take rides in the Piet, it
> really is a sensational ride up there.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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Date: Feb 26, 2007
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question
And then take it up to that EAA field and show it off!
Give rides too.
Clif
>
There will always be the nay sayers.Now go and
> build your Piet as per directions from the master,Bernard Pietenpol and
> enjoy a great aircraft!
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: flying the front seat
Date: Feb 27, 2007
Dick wrote-
>try a self inflating sleeping bag pad from a camping store. You roll it
>over
>a couple of times for the seat and leave the inflation valve at the top
>behind your shoulder.
Actually, I have one of those with my camping stuff. Interesting idea.
>You will be able to walk much faster for the toilet after the
>2 1/2 hr flight.
Actually, I had no trouble staying in the airplane that long; it was pushing
80 degrees in Zapata on Sunday. I'm not kidding. And we just had a "dry
line" pass through the day before, so if anything, I needed hydration and my
"spent fuel tank" still had plenty of reserve capacity. I'll tell you what,
though- it was shirtsleeves on the ground but when we got up to about 2500'
to do stalls it was chilly! The windscreens work well to break the wind,
but the air was just downright frisky. I can't imagine taking the airplane
any higher without a jacket (all I had was a long sleeve flannel shirt).
I guess I should have reached up into the overhead compartment, pushed aside
my laptop and carry-on bag, and grabbed my jacket ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 27, 2007
Subject: Model A received
Hi Pieters,
I just picked up my Model A rebuild from Antique Engine Rebuilders of Skokie
IL. Rich the owner is a good guy and easy to work with. I bought a run-out on
Ebay last summer for $100.00. This turned out to be a good find because it was
a "diamond" block. It is identified by a small diamond shaped casting mark
on the valve cover side of the block. I was told it signified that it was made
after the main production runs for the "A's" was over, and improved in some
ways. Drove up and picked it up in Blue River WI. $2700.00 bought me new
pistons and rods, modern insert bearings, oversize intake valves, and
counter-weighted crankshaft. The counter-weighted crankshaft was recommended to
me by Ken
Perkins. He says you need it for a "good strong" engine. Now I will build it up
with an aluminum 8 plug head and dual mags. I got the dual mag drive set-up
from Ken.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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Subject: new posting--- Pietenpol for Sale on Barnstormers
Date: Feb 27, 2007
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER * $11,200 * FOR SALE * finished in 1999, Metal
fuselage w/side doors, Poly-fiber covering (red and cream) 95 hp Corvair
engine, Warp drive prop, no starter, 2- 3 Test hours flown off. Good
running and looking plane. Have to see to appreciate. Not in annual.
Photos on request. Marvin * Contact Marvin Grout - located New Carlisle,
OH USA * Telephone: 937 845-0981 * Posted February 26, 2007 *
http://www.barnstormers.com/index.php
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From: gcardinal(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: new posting--- Pietenpol for Sale on Barnstormers
Date: Feb 27, 2007
Finished 8 years ago and only 2 - 3 test hours flown????????
Mike, do you know any more about the plane?
Greg C.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER $11,200 FOR SALE finished in 1999, Metal fuselage w/side
doors, Poly-fiber covering (red and cream) 95 hp Corvair engine, Warp drive prop,
no starter, 2- 3 Test hours flown off. Good running and looking plane. Have
to see to appreciate. Not in annual. Photos on request. Marvin Contact Marvin
Grout - located New Carlisle, OH USA Telephone: 937 845-0981 Posted February
26, 2007
http://www.barnstormers.com/index.php
Finished 8 years ago and only 2 - 3 test hours flown????????
Mike, do you know any more about the plane?
Greg C.
PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER $11,200 FOR SALE finished in
1999, Metal fuselage w/side doors, Poly-fiber covering (red and cream) 95 hp Corvair
engine, Warp drive prop, no starter, 2- 3 Test hours flown off. Good running
and looking plane. Have to see to appreciate. Not in annual. Photos on request.
Marvin Contact Marvin Grout - located New Carlisle, OH USA Telephone:
937 845-0981 Posted February 26, 2007
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From: lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Date: Feb 27, 2007
Subject: Model A
Dan: I bought an already converted A, but the builder didn't put
hardened seats under the valves for no lead fuel, so I am going to go
into it and have that done. Also I want the insert bearings. Did you
have hardened seats installed? It's been a couple of years since I
talked to Ken about counter balanced crank. At that time he said it was
not needed for our low rpm range.. What caused him to change his mind?
Did you get the weld on counter balances? Did the builder have a cow
when you told him it was for an airplane, or did you keep that a secret?
What was your total cost from the builder? You don't have to answer that
if you don't want to. Leon S.
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From: "GlennThomas(at)flyingwood.com" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Subject: Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question
Date: Feb 27, 2007
Sure! All I have to do is finish it (which may extend beyond the lifespan
of the more critical types in the chapter). I try to make regular progress
and work on it at least 3 times a week but have a new appreciation for the
amount of work this is (as well as respect for all you folks that have
finished, and even more for a few that have built more than 1 plane. This
takes serious project management skills.) I'm hoping that the wing ribs I'm
almost done with will become a wing in less time than it took to make them;
the reading, studying plans and learning has taken a lot of time and I'd
probably be able to repeat what I've done in less time if I did it again
(and I hope I can).
Glenn W. Thomas
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question
>
> And then take it up to that EAA field and show it off!
> Give rides too.
>
> Clif
>
>
>>
> There will always be the nay sayers.Now go and
>> build your Piet as per directions from the master,Bernard Pietenpol and
>> enjoy a great aircraft!
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 27, 2007
From: Greg Chapman <greg(at)mousetrax.com>
Subject: Re: Flying again.
It's canted to the right, of course, to counter the counter-clockwise
tendencies.
Greg
Catdesigns wrote:
> Peter, what changes did you make to your tail wheel?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Peter W Johnson
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 25, 2007 10:35 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying again.
>
> Rick,
>
>
>
> This was my first ground loop and it was counter clockwise, is there
> any better way to do it!!!!
>
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From: "Shawn Wolk" <shawnwolk(at)can.rogers.com>
Subject: Pietenpol on History television
Date: Feb 28, 2007
As a follow-up on the use of C-FRAZ in a documentary on the Battle of
Vimy Ridge. It airs on the Canadian History Television on Monday March
http://www.history.ca/ontv/titledetails.aspx?titleid=103246 They took
3 1/2 hours of film of the Piet flying. It should be interesting to see
how much of it makes the film. It was a fun and unique experience
anyway.
Vimy Ridge: Heaven to Hell
April 9, 2007 is the 90th anniversary of one of the most extraordinary
events in Canadian history: the Battle of Vimy Ridge, a turning point in
the First World War and a coming of age for Canada. It is also the
single greatest military achievement in Canada's history.
The victory was won by troops from every region of the country and every
ethnicity: It helped establish a feeling of nationhood in a country that
was only fifty years old-a country that still was more British Dominion
than independent nation.
The Canadian success at Vimy was the product of a bold and imaginative
strategy in which Canadian commanders employed a three dimensional
approach to the planning and execution of the battle: Vimy was fought
brilliantly on the ground, in the air and under the ground. It was a
battle in three dimensions.
In Vimy Ridge: Heaven to Hell, viewers will be on the ground with the
Canadian Corps through a battlefield archaeological excavation. Found
objects are subject to analysis-each one allowed to tell its own unique
story; to reveal the untold personal experiences of Canadian ground
troops and their enemies.
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 28, 2007
Subject: Re: Model A
Leon,
Yes I got the hardened seats installed for all valves. Quoting an email
from Ken Perkins from 12/5/06, "For a good strong engine you need inserts in
rods and mains and a counter balanced crank shaft. The #2 and "#3 rods are on
one side of center main bearing. Over 1900 RPM crankshaft whips center main
babbit out".
I did get the welded-on counterweights. Rich from AER took care of that for
me. He was familiar with the Piet because he has done engines for other
Pieter's and is very helpful in this area. He even drilled and tapped a hole
in
the casting that was shown on the plans. That was his idea too. He has a
set of Piet plans himself. The total bill from him was $2,700.00. That
included the cost of the counter-weighted crank that he got for me. New rods,
insert bearings, valve seat inserts, pistons, and head gasket. I have not run
the
engine, but by all accounts he has a great reputation. He works himself and
one helper. Here is his website. _www.antiqueenginerebuilding.com_
(http://www.antiqueenginerebuilding.com)
The engine looks very good to me.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: over complicating the process?
Date: Feb 28, 2007
From: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Gentlemen, learned builders
Over the past couple of weeks I have been gluing sticks together and have come
up with 2 sides of the long fuse. I am now doing the layout on my bench to join
them, slightly wider than design for obvious reasons. The location of the lateral
pieces used to join the 2 sides in the standard design are well located
and identified in the drawing, however those dimensions change in the longer
fuse, I assume? The location of the laterals are not apparent or readily identifiable
in the long fuse drawings as to their location and placement.
In my endeavors for accuracy, I took a shot at scaling the long fuse drawings and
found it to be 1 inch actual on the drawing is equal to 12.096 inches in scale.
Not very helpful and not a readily available scaling system for me to use.
I am certain I am over complicating this and am looking for guidance in this
issue and future scaling issues with this project as I suspect this in not the
only area that will have to be addressed.
What is everyone else using to scale the location of the lateral members, or is
there something I am missing in locating the placement of those laterals to join
the sides. The long fuse plans leave much to be desired. Do I locate the laterals
at the same location as those detailed in the standard version fuse?
Much confusion here on this issue, any and all advise in locating the laterals
is appreciated.
Thanks
John
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Date: Feb 28, 2007
Subject: Prop question
Has anyone on the list bought a prop from a guy named Jay Anderson, who's
company goes by the name CloudCars. He is advertising wood props on eBay for
$500. They look good in the photos but I was curious if anyone had any actual
flight experience with them.
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From: "gbowen(at)ptialaska.net" <gbowen(at)ptialaska.net>
Date: Feb 28, 2007
Subject: Prop question
Yep, bought couple years ago a scrimitar shaped beauty made of maple and
walnut laminates from Jay. It harnesses the 108hp Lyco quite nicely, lots
of thrust and after 30 hrs of grass and paved take-off/landing the
polyurethane end coatings he puts on holds up well. Jay has gotten kinda
busy in last couple years and has extended his lead times. If you order
from him get a fixed delivery time, even if you don't need the prop yet,
and then start calling about delivery 2 weeks before schedule and
thereafter weekly to insure you don't slip down on the priority of del
list. My prop was 4 weeks late but worth every penny paid.
Gordon
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From: Woodflier(at)aol.com
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:51:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop question
Has anyone on the list bought a prop from a guy named Jay Anderson, who's
company goes by the name CloudCars. He is advertising wood props on eBay
for
$500. They look good in the photos but I was curious if anyone had any
actual
flight experience with them.
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Date: Feb 28, 2007
Subject: Prop question
Yep, bought couple years ago a scrimitar shaped beauty made of maple and
walnut laminates from Jay. It harnesses the 108hp Lyco quite nicely, lots
of thrust and after 30 hrs of grass and paved take-off/landing the
polyurethane end coatings he puts on holds up well. Jay has gotten kinda
busy in last couple years and has extended his lead times. If you order
from him get a fixed delivery time, even if you don't need the prop yet,
and then start calling about delivery 2 weeks before schedule and
thereafter weekly to insure you don't slip down on the priority of del
list. My prop was 4 weeks late but worth every penny paid.
Gordon
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:51:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop question
Has anyone on the list bought a prop from a guy named Jay Anderson, who's
company goes by the name CloudCars. He is advertising wood props on eBay
for
$500. They look good in the photos but I was curious if anyone had any
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flight experience with them.
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Subject: Re: over complicating the process?
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)comcast.net>
Date: Feb 28, 2007
John,
Placement of the laterals on the long fuselage follows the same principal as on
the shorter fuselage drawing. Look at the fuselage drawings on sheet Drawing
No. 1. Here you can see the where the lateral will be located in relation to
the vertical uprights. Now turn back to the supplemental plans for the long
fuselage. Locate lateral supports at the equivalent vertical NOT at the dimensions
shown on Drawing No. 1. Dont worry about trying to figure out the exact
dimensions on the plans. A few, off the top of my head, need to be spaced properly.
Such as the landing gear braces and the brace for the bottom of the seat
(its location is shown on the supplemental drawings). As you build you need
to remember that the plans show where everything needs to be, but the dimensions
might not work for your particular project. Dont be afraid to adjust noncritical
dimensions (and youll get a feel for what these are) to make the part
do the job it needs to do.
Chris
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WestCoastPiet.com
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From: "Dave Abramson" <davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com>
Subject: Pietenpol Landing gear???
Date: Feb 28, 2007
Hello Everyone!
Quick landing gear question... I am building a "Straight axel" landing
gear.. Was wondering what most people are using for the outer tube
diameter?
I have written down wall thickness.( I heard .188, Mike Cuy I think you
said you are using .200 wall) I think the plans call for 1 ?" O.D. or 1 ?"
O.D.
I was planning to use 1 ?" or 2" Dia tube.. Thanks in advance for any
replys...
Best Regards,
Dave
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol Landing gear???
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)comcast.net>
Date: Feb 28, 2007
Im working on my wood gear right now. The plans show the inside dimension of the
collars to be 1.5-inch. Therefore, your axel should have a 1.5-inch outside
diameter. I'm using 1.5 x 0.188.
Chris
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From: "Skip-Cinda Gadd" <csfog(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: new listing-- Pietenpol for sale on barnstormers
Date: Feb 28, 2007
Hi Greg,
I saw this plane last summer. It looked real good. Talked to Marvin, he said Ted
Davis "came down and did the test flying and said it flew great". I forget
how much it weighers. It has a Bernard Pietenpol Corvair, has blower fan and no
starter. He said he has not flown it because it scared his wife too much.
Marvin did not want to talk price and told me to make him an offer, I would not
have offered 11k.
I shied away from it because the test time has not been flown and the starter issue,
Corvairs do not hand prop as easy as A65's.
I have a couple more pictures, I can send off-list if you want.
Skip
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From: "Rob Stapleton" <foto(at)alaska.net>
Subject: new listing-- Pietenpol for sale on barnstormers
Date: Feb 28, 2007
Skip,
Could you send me some more images of this plane? Or direct me to a site
where I could look at images of it? I am building a Corvair powered long
fuselage and am interested in the cowling set up. Also the engine
appears to
be dripping oil, any idea what this is selling for?
Rob
foto(at)alaska.net
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Skip-Cinda
Gadd
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 8:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: new listing-- Pietenpol for sale on
barnstormers
Hi Greg,
I saw this plane last summer. It looked real good. Talked to Marvin, he
said
Ted Davis "came down and did the test flying and said it flew great". I
forget how much it weighers. It has a Bernard Pietenpol Corvair, has
blower
fan and no starter. He said he has not flown it because it scared his
wife
too much.
Marvin did not want to talk price and told me to make him an offer, I
would
not have offered 11k.
I shied away from it because the test time has not been flown and the
starter issue, Corvairs do not hand prop as easy as A65's.
I have a couple more pictures, I can send off-list if you want.
Skip
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Subject: Newbie Questions
From: "skellytownflyer" <hanover(at)centramedia.net>
Date: Feb 28, 2007
Well my name is Raymond Hanover-I'm trying to get into the loop on Pietenpol /
Grega technology.from my experiences on the flychallenger site a few years ago
I know that every so often the same bunch of questions get asked by the constant
turnover of folks.I am trying to sell the Challenger and get a real conventional
gear 4 stroke Airplane so the Piet has allways been a favorite.but anyway
I would like to correspond with someone in the Texas/Oklahoma/New Mexico area
if possible about them without loading the list up with the same old stuff
everybody is probably tired of seeing.I live northeast of Amarillo.fly and old
57 Tri-pacer most of the time.E-mail address is hanover(at)centramedia.net if anyone
wants to give me the benefit of their experiences with Corvair Piets or
GN-1s ( I realize there is a difference and some folks do not like them confused)
thanks for any help.Raymond
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 28, 2007
Subject: Re: Newbie Questions
Raymond,
I wouldn't worry about "loading up the list" with the "same old" questions.
There are always a whole bunch of new builders at any point in time that
need help, and it has been my experience that Pieter's are always eager to help
the next guy finish this really cool design. Ask away!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Date: Feb 28, 2007
Subject: Re: Newbie Questions
Raymond
Glad to talk with you. I live just north of Tulsa and have a corvair
powered Piet. My address is: _pietn38b(at)aol.com_ (mailto:pietn38b(at)aol.com) . Jim
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From: "DJ Vegh" <dj(at)veghdesign.com>
Subject: Re: Newbie Questions
Date: Feb 28, 2007
Welcome Raymond!
You'll find this email list to be quite friendly and very helpful. The
archives are packed full of information as well. I've been posting here
since day one of my GN-1 project so you'll be able to go back and review it
all from there.
For the rest of you..... Raymond and I came to an agreement last week and
he will be purchasing my GN-1. It's bittersweet for me as I really do not
want to sell. I have countless hours involved in the project and it means
alot to me but with an 18yr waiting list for a hangar out here and me being
only in the 11th year I just cant stand to let the project sit another 7
years.
So... for now I will fly my Tcraft and look towards starting another project
next year. An aluminum one that can be parked outside on the ramp.... yes
I said aluminum... don't hate me fellas. ;)
DJ
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From: "skellytownflyer" <hanover(at)centramedia.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newbie Questions
>
> Well my name is Raymond Hanover-I'm trying to get into the loop on
Pietenpol / Grega technology.from my experiences on the flychallenger site a
few years ago I know that every so often the same bunch of questions get
asked by the constant turnover of folks.I am trying to sell the Challenger
and get a real conventional gear 4 stroke Airplane so the Piet has allways
been a favorite.but anyway I would like to correspond with someone in the
Texas/Oklahoma/New Mexico area if possible about them without loading the
list up with the same old stuff everybody is probably tired of seeing.I live
northeast of Amarillo.fly and old 57 Tri-pacer most of the time.E-mail
address is hanover(at)centramedia.net if anyone wants to give me the benefit of
their experiences with Corvair Piets or GN-1s ( I realize there is a
difference and some folks do not like them confused) thanks for any
help.Raymond
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97939#97939
>
>
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From: "DJ Vegh" <dj(at)veghdesign.com>
Subject: Re: DJ's project going to Raymond
Date: Feb 28, 2007
There is alot of land available on the airports here, but the cities
that own the land know that they will get much more money offering the
land to corporate and industrial business (in tax revenue) than by
building hangars and leasing them to GA pilots.
So we're seeing the last bit of land left on our airports being gobbled
up by industry and business offices..... next they will complain about
the "noisy" airplanes and before you know it the airports will be
nothing but businessplexes.
sigh.......
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Subject: CA EAA Pietenpol update
Date: Feb 28, 2007
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
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Subject: Pietenpol Update
Dear Members,
So much of the work that we have been doing on our Pietenpol
project over the past year has not rendered much in the way of visible
progress. Consider, for example, the control surface hinges. 36
individual pieces. Each piece cut, drilled, countersunk, ground, bent
and welded. And when it's done, it's no bigger than the tip of your
finger. And once it's installed, you don't even notice it. Yet, once
the hinges and attach fittings for the tail are completed, you can
attach the tail and control surfaces to the fuselage and suddenly it
begins to look like an airplane. That's when you begin to see some
visible progress.
We find ourselves in a similar place today. Three different
volunteers over the past year have taken on the challenge of building
the wooden landing gear legs. The compound angles involved coupled with
a bend in the fuselage belly that is unique to this particular Pietenpol
fuselage frustrated one volunteer after another. In addition to that,
the legs and metal fittings seemed to have a mysterious quality to them.
We'd get one part fabricated and fitting just right, then make the next
part and it wouldn't fit. Try changing something on the second part to
make it fit and, all of a sudden, the first part didn't fit any more.
And so it went. Back and forth, back and forth. Nothing seemed to fit
right until everything fit right.
The months just kept ticking away with the fuselage upside
down and no real progress being obvious to the casual observer. In the
meantime, Dave McPhee was making steady progress on our wing center
section. I completely finished the tail surfaces, fittings and control
horns and moved onto the fabricating of the control system parts. We
ordered and laced up our wire wheels and mounted the tires. Art
Froehlich worked on designing a brake system for the airplane. We were
making tremendous progress. None of it particularly visible to the
occasional visitor.
FINALLY, I am happy to report that the landing gear fittings
are all finished and powder coated. The landing gear legs are finished
and varnished. And gorgeous they are to look at. Quoting Art
Froehlich, "They look store bought!" It seems that patience and
attention to detail has paid off.
We had an excellent turnout at Saturday morning's workshop.
Dave McPhee, Dave Winsett, and Wendy Hinman worked together to position
and glue in place the plywood underside of the wing center section.
That pretty much makes the center section ready for varnish. Meanwhile
Art Froehlich and I attached the landing gear fittings to the fuselage
and assembled the gear legs and spreader bars. By the end of the
morning we were so excited to see it assembled that we could not resist
securing an axle with some temporary bungies, slipping the wheels on,
and rolling it out of the hangar (see photos below). Finally, we can
see some visible progress again.
With the tail and control surfaces finished, the control
system fabricated and ready for installation, the wing center section
nearly finished, and the undercarriage needing only the axle to be
completed, I think that we will all see some very visible progress in
the next six weeks. We have finally cleared some tremendous hurdles.
It will be very exciting to see things really coming together soon.
Dave Winsett has constructed a sixteen foot long table in
his home workshop and is ready to start work on our wing spares. He has
done some research on the construction of box spars and thinks that this
is the way to go. The main considerations are weight, strength, and
cost. In every category the box spar seems to be the better choice than
either the plank spar or the routed spar. Of course, the box spar will
be a lot more work to build. Fortunately, he doesn't charge much for
his labor.
Visitors are always welcome at our Saturday morning
workshops. So whether you want to get involved and try your hand at
making some parts or you just want to see for yourself how things are
coming along, you will always find some activity going on between 8am
and noon Saturday mornings. Of course, donations of labor, material, or
money are always welcome also. Involvement is voluntary, but oh so
rewarding. Why not come join us. See you there.
Steve Williamson, Pres.
EAA Chapter 1279
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Subject: Re: DJ's project going to Raymond
From: "skellytownflyer" <hanover(at)centramedia.net>
Date: Feb 28, 2007
You are right-it is a beautiful plane and workmanship is fantastic.I am sure glad
I looked at it.And I hope to be able to do a nice job of finishing it.The wind
is gusting to 45 here today and it would'nt be a piet flying day even if it
was ready,but I'll sure be anxious to see how they fly.i expect the crosswind
capabilities are a little lower than my old Tri-pacer,but with the Cub gear
under it-hopefully there is enough aileron authority to handle some.I fly from
a dirt North-south strip and it is interesting when the wind is out of the west
blowing between the trees and a few houses that are just off the runway,but
there are real airports 15 miles east and west from me if it gets too bad.Raymond
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Subject: crosswinds and Piets
Date: Feb 28, 2007
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Raymond,
I have landed my Pietenpol in some very intense crosswind and gust
conditions and though it is no fun and you are
churning the butter with the stick the whole way down, the plane has a
very good ability to stick with it if the pilot does.
I am pretty selective on the days I choose to fly because it really
takes all the fun out of it if it is too windy or the wind is
a direct, gusting crosswind at your home airport. Coming home from
Brodhead in 2005 was the mother of all windy and gusty
days but it was VFR all the way and I made it safely......but there was
gnashing of teeth and many prayers submitted !
Mike C.
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Date: Feb 28, 2007
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Test flight after rebuild
Pieters,
We test flew the Piet with the rebuilt engine yesterday. All went
well. Flew about 30 mins and tested carb heat (50+ rpm drop) and max
rpm (2525 or better). The climb is noticeably better and the sound is
much louder, deeper, and "growlier" than before. The sound was really
cool when he banked hard right over the field - sounded like a little
fighter. Of course, the only thing a Piet could shoot down is a roll
of toilet paper...
Most important -- still no hissing when the prop is pulled through!!
A short version video of this flight is at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMbV3VSKmzA
If you just can't get enough of Piets, a long version video of this
flight is at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8-Hkq6l_w0
As with all youtube videos, to get a better quality video, click the
left-most of the two video sizing buttons that are below the video
window on the right.
If you want the complete story of why the engine had to be torn down
and reassembled, go to:
http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~jboatri/magicbus/engine_teardown.htm
and then:
http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~jboatri/magicbus/rebuild1.html
--
__________________________________________
Jeff Boatright
'65 Sprite MkIII ___o_\___
_____________________________
'76 Pietenpol Air Camper \ o /
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/ \
O O
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From: "Steve Singleton" <slsingleton(at)cvalley.net>
Subject: Re: Newbie Questions
Date: Feb 28, 2007
Jim-do happen to have the grass strip on the east side of the road(169)
just north of Tulsa. Steve Singleton
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From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 28, 2007
Subject: Re: Prop question
In a message dated 2/28/2007 10:18:39 AM Central Standard Time,
gbowen(at)ptialaska.net writes:
Yep, bought couple years ago a scrimitar shaped beauty made of maple and
walnut laminates from Jay.
Gordon,
When you say 'Scimitar Shaped', do you mean an actual Scimitar prop, or a
Semi-Scimitar ?? The way Eric Clutton describes a Scimitar prop, is that the
radius of the swept back blades, is the same as the radius of the prop. It's a
Very noticeable swept back blade. I've not heard much from anyone that has an
actual Scimitar prop, and have been planning on building one for quite a while
now. Do you know if Jay uses the plans called out in Eric Clutton's book ?
The way he calls out the plank orientation is also unconventional, in that
there are 3/16" to 1/4" laminates, and they lay parallel to the line of flight.
I'm very interested in anyone who has flight tested a True Scimitar Prop.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Landing gear???
Date: Feb 28, 2007
NX18235 uses 1 1/2" X .120 4130 tubing for the axle. After 80 hours of
abuse it is still straight.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Abramson
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Landing gear???
Hello Everyone!
Quick landing gear question... I am building a "Straight axel"
landing gear.. Was wondering what most people are using for the outer
tube diameter?
I have written down wall thickness.( I heard .188, Mike Cuy I think
you said you are using .200 wall) I think the plans call for 1 =BD"
O.D. or 1 =BE" O.D.
I was planning to use 1 =BE" or 2" Dia tube.. Thanks in advance for
any replys...
Best Regards,
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From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: new listing-- Pietenpol for sale on barnstormers
Date: Feb 28, 2007
Thanks, Skip.
I commented because an 8 year old plane with only 2 - 3 hours of test
flight time on it is a MAJOR red flag. On the other hand, it could be a
really sweet deal.......
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Skip-Cinda Gadd
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: new listing-- Pietenpol for sale on
barnstormers
Hi Greg,
I saw this plane last summer. It looked real good. Talked to Marvin,
he said Ted Davis "came down and did the test flying and said it flew
great". I forget how much it weighers. It has a Bernard Pietenpol
Corvair, has blower fan and no starter. He said he has not flown it
because it scared his wife too much.
Marvin did not want to talk price and told me to make him an offer, I
would not have offered 11k.
I shied away from it because the test time has not been flown and the
starter issue, Corvairs do not hand prop as easy as A65's.
I have a couple more pictures, I can send off-list if you want.
Skip
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Subject: crosswinds and Piets
Date: Feb 28, 2007
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com>
I remember that day well, Mike. I was flying from Brodhead to Oshkosh
and landed at Oshkosh in a 25 knot almost direct crosswind. Not pretty
but I was happy with it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: crosswinds and Piets
Raymond,
I have landed my Pietenpol in some very intense crosswind and gust
conditions and though it is no fun and you are
churning the butter with the stick the whole way down, the plane has a
very good ability to stick with it if the pilot does.
I am pretty selective on the days I choose to fly because it really
takes all the fun out of it if it is too windy or the wind is
a direct, gusting crosswind at your home airport. Coming home from
Brodhead in 2005 was the mother of all windy and gusty
days but it was VFR all the way and I made it safely......but there was
gnashing of teeth and many prayers submitted !
Mike C.
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From: "Kirk, Bruce" <bkirk(at)yccd.edu>
Subject: Re: CA EAA Pietenpol update
Date: Feb 28, 2007
"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]"
wrote:
>
> Hi everyone!
I read with great interest the paragraph that your spars
are of the Box variety. Are there any drawings of how to
proceed in doing this.
Thanks so much
Bruce Kirk
bkirk(at)yccd.edu
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: ThePhoebusC(at)aol.com [mailto:ThePhoebusC(at)aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:37 PM
> To: w6bcq(at)earthlink.net; Ohartphyl(at)aol.com;
> Mcpheespikes(at)aol.com; John(at)jshablow.com;
>ghaugh(at)cliniqa.com;
> dave(at)fishertel.com; jim.pyle(at)sbcglobal.net;
>david.ms(at)comcast.net;
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>cbr(at)cbrbearing.com; Cuy, Michael
> D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]; kjcraig(at)earthlink.net;
>whinman(at)hotmail.com;
> hannanken(at)yahoo.com; rlcub(at)verizon.net;
>awilliamson(at)emc.org
> Subject: Pietenpol Update
>
>
>
> Dear Members,
>
> So much of the work that we have been doing on our
>Pietenpol
> project over the past year has not rendered much in the
>way of visible
> progress. Consider, for example, the control surface
>hinges. 36
> individual pieces. Each piece cut, drilled,
>countersunk, ground, bent
> and welded. And when it's done, it's no bigger than the
>tip of your
> finger. And once it's installed, you don't even notice
>it. Yet, once
> the hinges and attach fittings for the tail are
>completed, you can
> attach the tail and control surfaces to the fuselage and
>suddenly it
> begins to look like an airplane. That's when you begin
>to see some
> visible progress.
> We find ourselves in a similar place today. Three
>different
> volunteers over the past year have taken on the
>challenge of building
> the wooden landing gear legs. The compound angles
>involved coupled with
> a bend in the fuselage belly that is unique to this
>particular Pietenpol
> fuselage frustrated one volunteer after another. In
>addition to that,
> the legs and metal fittings seemed to have a mysterious
>quality to them.
> We'd get one part fabricated and fitting just right,
>then make the next
> part and it wouldn't fit. Try changing something on the
>second part to
> make it fit and, all of a sudden, the first part didn't
>fit any more.
> And so it went. Back and forth, back and forth.
> Nothing seemed to fit
> right until everything fit right.
> The months just kept ticking away with the fuselage
>upside
> down and no real progress being obvious to the casual
>observer. In the
> meantime, Dave McPhee was making steady progress on our
>wing center
> section. I completely finished the tail surfaces,
>fittings and control
> horns and moved onto the fabricating of the control
>system parts. We
> ordered and laced up our wire wheels and mounted the
>tires. Art
>Froehlich worked on designing a brake system for the
>airplane. We were
> making tremendous progress. None of it particularly
>visible to the
> occasional visitor.
> FINALLY, I am happy to report that the landing gear
>fittings
> are all finished and powder coated. The landing gear
>legs are finished
> and varnished. And gorgeous they are to look at.
> Quoting Art
>Froehlich, "They look store bought!" It seems that
>patience and
> attention to detail has paid off.
> We had an excellent turnout at Saturday morning's
>workshop.
> Dave McPhee, Dave Winsett, and Wendy Hinman worked
>together to position
> and glue in place the plywood underside of the wing
>center section.
> That pretty much makes the center section ready for
>varnish. Meanwhile
> Art Froehlich and I attached the landing gear fittings
>to the fuselage
> and assembled the gear legs and spreader bars. By the
>end of the
> morning we were so excited to see it assembled that we
>could not resist
> securing an axle with some temporary bungies, slipping
>the wheels on,
> and rolling it out of the hangar (see photos below).
> Finally, we can
> see some visible progress again.
> With the tail and control surfaces finished, the
>control
> system fabricated and ready for installation, the wing
>center section
> nearly finished, and the undercarriage needing only the
>axle to be
> completed, I think that we will all see some very
>visible progress in
> the next six weeks. We have finally cleared some
>tremendous hurdles.
> It will be very exciting to see things really coming
>together soon.
> Dave Winsett has constructed a sixteen foot long
>table in
> his home workshop and is ready to start work on our wing
>spares. He has
> done some research on the construction of box spars and
>thinks that this
> is the way to go. The main considerations are weight,
>strength, and
> cost. In every category the box spar seems to be the
>better choice than
> either the plank spar or the routed spar. Of course,
>the box spar will
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From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: tailwheel
Date: Feb 28, 2007
As long as the subject of tailwheels has come up, I attached a pic of my
new Matco with a inflatable tire. It has a spoked wheel and I think it
is lighter than the solid.
I ordered direct from Matco, I dont think ACS has it yet.
Dick N.
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Date: Feb 28, 2007
Subject: Re: crosswinds and Piets
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
And then we went to Roxy=B9s for a big ol=B9 slab of beef!
-john-
> I remember that day well, Mike. I was flying from Brodhead to Oshkosh an
d
> landed at Oshkosh in a 25 knot almost direct crosswind. Not pretty but I
was
> happy with it.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Mich
ael
> D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:20 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: crosswinds and Piets
>
> Raymond,
>
> I have landed my Pietenpol in some very intense crosswind and gust condit
ions
> and though it is no fun and you are
>
> churning the butter with the stick the whole way down, the plane has a ve
ry
> good ability to stick with it if the pilot does.
>
> I am pretty selective on the days I choose to fly because it really takes
all
> the fun out of it if it is too windy or the wind is
>
> a direct, gusting crosswind at your home airport. Coming home from Brodh
ead
> in 2005 was the mother of all windy and gusty
>
> days but it was VFR all the way and I made it safely......but there was
> gnashing of teeth and many prayers submitted !
>
>
>
> Mike C.
>
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From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: scimitar propellers
Date: Feb 28, 2007
The CarterCopter has flown quite extensively using a "hollow blade" (their
name for it) scimitar propeller for the pusher. Pictures and info on it at
http://www.cartercopters.com/propeller_system.html
There was an extensive write-up on the design and construction of the Carter
hollow blade scimitar prop in Contact! magazine a few issues back. Now I'm
sure nobody plans to use something like that on a Piet, and you were
probably referring to a wood laminated, antique style scimitar! And of
course, you've seen the semi-scimitar that is on what was John Dilatush's
"Mountain Piet", pictures at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/John_piet.html
, more of a classic design.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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From: "Catdesigns" <catdesigns(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Spar options
Date: Feb 28, 2007
Anyone interested in built up spars should read the article recently sent to
me by Greg Cardinal. I have posted it to my website at
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Construction/I%20Beam%20Analysis.pdf
It is a 2.5mb PDF but worth the time to download. It also talks about the
pros and cons of built-up spars.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
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From: "Scott Schreiber" <got22b(at)subarubrat.com>
Subject: Landing gear work, this may help others, I hope
Date: Mar 01, 2007
As much as others on this group have helped me along the way maybe I can
give a little back this time. In the course of fabricating the landing
gear the Piet split axle wasn't impossible but it did have limitations.
I looked around and found a design that was used on a replica cub (full
size) and a biplane. Both are several hundered pounds heavier than the
Piet. I got the gear plans from light minerature aircraft and ordered a
complete kit that had the metal, wheels, tires, brakes, bolts etc. etc.
for about $450 from Wicks. I am well into the fabrication now and it has
been easy and very adaptable to the Piet. I just had to narrow the rails
and change the lengths of a few tubes, nothing complicated. As modular
as this design is any part can be re-made as you see fit without any
real penalty in time, cost or work on other parts. All work has been
done with a band saw and belt sander. Here are a few snaps:
This pic shows the front legs and the upper part of the shock cord area.
http://www.subarubrat.com/misc/pietshock1.jpg
The angled piece resting on the rail in the following pic is the point
where the front and rear legs come together and where the axle is
mounted.
http://www.subarubrat.com/misc/pietaxle1.jpg
I hope future pics will make the design a bit easier to visualize.
-Scott
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From: "Scott Schreiber" <got22b(at)subarubrat.com>
Subject: Engine time, help appreciated
Date: Mar 01, 2007
I have been back and forth on this issue since I began. I am torn
between the Subaru EA81 and the A65. As a life long Subaru nut I am
familiar with every last bolt of the EA81 and it's many merits. Price
wise they seem to be about the same in the end. I am troubled by the
lack of an electric start on the A65 as the modern world seems to have
limited accomodations for proping a plane. On the other hand that simple
air cooled factor means allot. Despite all this I seem to feel more and
more like going with an A65 and I am pretty much ready to buy. Are there
any really trusted sources for buying a ready to go A65?
-Scott
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Subject: landing at Oshkosh
Date: Mar 01, 2007
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
There is enough pressure when landing your plane at Oshkosh for the
convention, let alone adding the stress of a 25 knot direct crosswind.
You
did good, Jack. We lost a Pietenpol in an accident landing at Oshkosh
(thankfully the pilot was okay) when the propwash from a DC-3 on 18R
washed over our landing runway of 18L. The light southwest breeze blew
the DC-3's takeoff propwash over our runway and it just happened to
hit this one nice gent from either Mississippi or Missouri. The
emergency repair folks (can't think of that guys name off the top) at
EAA helped get
the plane to where he could trailer it home. That was in 1999 when we
had 17 planes there for the 7th anniversary of the design. The 80th is
coming
up in 2009.
Mike C.
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 01, 2007
Subject: Wind screens
I was looking at the photoshare files at Walt Bowes's beautiful 1929
Aircamper and noticed that he only has a windsreen for the rear seat. Has anyone
had experience with this set-up, and would you recommend it?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol for sale on barnstormers
Date: Mar 01, 2007
Rob asked-
>Also the engine appears to be dripping oil, any idea what this is selling
>for?
As anyone who is involved with the Corvair knows, it can be a leaker/dripper
if it isn't assembled using today's O-ring and gasket materials and if a few
small areas aren't attended to in the assembly. In the old days, Corvair
cars were notorious drippers... to the point that there is even a little
book (pamphlet, really) written on this subject. The title of it is, "Stop
Corvair Lubricant Leaks" by Fred Johnson. Simple, practical stuff but it
targets the Corvair problem areas.
The point is, if the engine was assembled using old style O-rings on the
pushrod tubes, or reusing old gaskets, or if the pan was not properly
converted for the aero engine mount, it will leak in one of those spots or
at the valve covers or at the front cover. It's not going to affect
airworthiness but it does make for poor appearance and increased
maintenance.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
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Date: Mar 01, 2007
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Model A received
What do you expect your total completed cost to be for your engine Dan?
Rick
On 2/27/07, HelsperSew(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Hi Pieters,
>
> I just picked up my Model A rebuild from Antique Engine Rebuilders of
> Skokie IL. Rich the owner is a good guy and easy to work with. I bought a
> run-out on Ebay last summer for $100.00. This turned out to be a good find
> because it was a "diamond" block. It is identified by a small diamond
> shaped casting mark on the valve cover side of the block. I was told it
> signified that it was made after the main production runs for the "A's" was
> over, and improved in some ways. Drove up and picked it up in Blue River
> WI. $2700.00 bought me new pistons and rods, modern insert bearings,
> oversize intake valves, and counter-weighted crankshaft. The
> counter-weighted crankshaft was recommended to me by Ken Perkins. He says
> you need it for a "good strong" engine. Now I will build it up with an
> aluminum 8 plug head and dual mags. I got the dual mag drive set-up from
> Ken.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL
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From: "Steve Singleton" <slsingleton(at)cvalley.net>
Subject: Re: landing at Oshkosh
Date: Mar 01, 2007
That was Mitchell Burns Piet. (Brookfield MO) He lives about 1/2 hr
from me . I was not there but i believe he said it tore the gear off but
did not hurt the fusaledge at all. Hes a good guy to visit with and he
loves Pietenpols. Steve S
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 7:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: landing at Oshkosh
There is enough pressure when landing your plane at Oshkosh for the
convention, let alone adding the stress of a 25 knot direct crosswind.
You
did good, Jack. We lost a Pietenpol in an accident landing at
Oshkosh (thankfully the pilot was okay) when the propwash from a DC-3 on
18R
washed over our landing runway of 18L. The light southwest breeze
blew the DC-3's takeoff propwash over our runway and it just happened to
hit this one nice gent from either Mississippi or Missouri. The
emergency repair folks (can't think of that guys name off the top) at
EAA helped get
the plane to where he could trailer it home. That was in 1999 when we
had 17 planes there for the 7th anniversary of the design. The 80th is
coming
up in 2009.
Mike C.
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From: "gbowen(at)ptialaska.net" <gbowen(at)ptialaska.net>
Date: Mar 01, 2007
Subject: Re: Prop question
Chuck,
Don't know the tech details of your questions well enough to answer. Just
saw what Jay had to offer due to the pictures on his website and the
scrimitar shape seem way cool for a Piete and was cheaper than any other
alternative prop. I've been happy with it, has lots of thrust. Brakes
can't hold it on pavement turning 1700 rpm. On grass/sand I can hold it
for runup but have Cessna 172 hydraulic brakes. Churn about 2550 on takeoff
with the 108hp Lyco, indicating about 1000'/min. Can cruise all day long
at 2050 rpm, 80 mph, 6.5 gal/hr, Piete weighs 690 lbs, me- 280 lbs and 22
gal fuel.
Gordon
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:49:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop question
In a message dated 2/28/2007 10:18:39 AM Central Standard Time,
gbowen(at)ptialaska.net writes:
Yep, bought couple years ago a scrimitar shaped beauty made of maple and
walnut laminates from Jay.
Gordon,
When you say 'Scimitar Shaped', do you mean an actual Scimitar prop, or a
Semi-Scimitar ?? The way Eric Clutton describes a Scimitar prop, is that
the
radius of the swept back blades, is the same as the radius of the prop.
It's a
Very noticeable swept back blade. I've not heard much from anyone that has
an
actual Scimitar prop, and have been planning on building one for quite a
while
now. Do you know if Jay uses the plans called out in Eric Clutton's book ?
The way he calls out the plank orientation is also unconventional, in that
there are 3/16" to 1/4" laminates, and they lay parallel to the line of
flight.
I'm very interested in anyone who has flight tested a True Scimitar Prop.
Chuck G.
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From: <harvey.rule(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: Pietenpol for sale on barnstormers
Date: Mar 01, 2007
My AME told me of a fellow that used to fly with a tin can strapped to the
place where the leak was and when he landed he would pour the oil back in
again,crazy baby!
>From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for sale on barnstormers
>Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 08:15:06 -0600
>
>
>
>Rob asked-
>
>>Also the engine appears to be dripping oil, any idea what this is selling
>>for?
>
>As anyone who is involved with the Corvair knows, it can be a
>leaker/dripper if it isn't assembled using today's O-ring and gasket
>materials and if a few small areas aren't attended to in the assembly. In
>the old days, Corvair cars were notorious drippers... to the point that
>there is even a little book (pamphlet, really) written on this subject.
>The title of it is, "Stop Corvair Lubricant Leaks" by Fred Johnson.
>Simple, practical stuff but it targets the Corvair problem areas.
>
>The point is, if the engine was assembled using old style O-rings on the
>pushrod tubes, or reusing old gaskets, or if the pan was not properly
>converted for the aero engine mount, it will leak in one of those spots or
>at the valve covers or at the front cover. It's not going to affect
>airworthiness but it does make for poor appearance and increased
>maintenance.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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Subject: trangular access panel---in Dick's photo of his tailwheel
Date: Mar 01, 2007
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Did you guys check out that VERY useful access panel that Dick N's new
Pietenpol has down by the tailpost area for
getting to your tailwheel arm/assy. fittings ? Brilliant idea.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: <harvey.rule(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: Wind screens
Date: Mar 01, 2007
I only have one windscreen and I'm planning on putting plexiglass or lexan
over the front hole to cut down on the wind.I've never flown with the two
windscreens so I can't compare.I would make my screen higher in future as
well to cut down on the wind.I can't see having two making much difference
though,flying at such a slow speed.
>From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wind screens
>Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 08:59:53 EST
>
>I was looking at the photoshare files at Walt Bowes's beautiful 1929
>Aircamper and noticed that he only has a windsreen for the rear seat. Has
>anyone
>had experience with this set-up, and would you recommend it?
>
>Dan Helsper
>Poplar Grove, IL
>
>
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Date: Mar 01, 2007
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Engine time, help appreciated
One thing you might consider in your deliberations is insurance. I was
originally planning to use a Corvair conversion, and had purchased 3
cores to make one good engine. I bought an old Baby Ace with a A-75 on
it to get back into flying.
Getting insurance on the Baby Ace wasnt a problem even though it is 50
years old, because it has a certified engine/prop combination. I called
around and no one would insure a corvair in a Piet. I think they will
insure the Egenfelter (sp) subaru conversion if it was a firewall
forward package.
The continental is a great engine. Mine has a fresh rebuild on it, and
it starts on the first blade after a 4 blade pull through for prime. I
live in Florida, so a primer system isn't installed. I chain the
tailwheel and chock the wheels before starting it when I'm by myself.
There are usually guys around that can prop me and that is always nice.
The Baby Ace is a lot easier to get into than a Piet, so electric start
would be nice. If you add an alternator you will also have to install a
transponder ($$$$). My current plan is to look for a mid-time A-75 to
C-85. I've seen a few on barnstormers.com for as little as 2000-3000
dollars. Overall I think the above arguments made my decision easy.
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
PS> Anybody have a mid-time or run out A-65 for sale in Florida?
Scott Schreiber wrote:
> I have been back and forth on this issue since I began. I am torn
> between the Subaru EA81 and the A65. As a life long Subaru nut I am
> familiar with every last bolt of the EA81 and it's many merits. Price
> wise they seem to be about the same in the end. I am troubled by the
> lack of an electric start on the A65 as the modern world seems to have
> limited accomodations for proping a plane. On the other hand that
> simple air cooled factor means allot. Despite all this I seem to feel
> more and more like going with an A65 and I am pretty much ready to
> buy. Are there any really trusted sources for buying a ready to go A65?
>
> -Scott
>
>*
>
>
>*
>
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From: "gbowen(at)ptialaska.net" <gbowen(at)ptialaska.net>
Date: Mar 01, 2007
Subject: Wind screens
I have a curved motorcycle style windscreen in front of front and back
holes, the wind still comes cutting thru the front passenger hole and up
the legs. Tried the front only screen and the wind bounced off the
underside of the wing and blasted me. Think I'm gonna try next year to put
a kinda canopy over front and front sides using the cabanes as the
supports. Going to cut pieces of thin polycarb to shape and use tube
clamps to secure a multi-piece screen that directs the wind back behind the
rear cabanes. Maybe use a hinge on the passenger side longeron to open
easily for storage or passenger egress. Love the open cockpit type flying
but the cold wind blast cuts into to pleasure for sissy like me.
Gordon
Original Message:
-----------------
From: harvey.rule(at)sympatico.ca
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:31:06 +0000
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wind screens
I only have one windscreen and I'm planning on putting plexiglass or lexan
over the front hole to cut down on the wind.I've never flown with the two
windscreens so I can't compare.I would make my screen higher in future as
well to cut down on the wind.I can't see having two making much difference
though,flying at such a slow speed.
>From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wind screens
>Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 08:59:53 EST
>
>I was looking at the photoshare files at Walt Bowes's beautiful 1929
>Aircamper and noticed that he only has a windsreen for the rear seat. Has
>anyone
>had experience with this set-up, and would you recommend it?
>
>Dan Helsper
>Poplar Grove, IL
>
>
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Date: Mar 01, 2007
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: trangular access panel---in Dick's photo of his tailwheel
Say....Dick N.
Can you post these photos for us to observe. (many inches of snow in the Fargo,
ND area! Hate snow....)
Ken H.
Fargo, ND
"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" wrote:
Did you guys check out that VERY useful access panel that Dick N's new
Pietenpol has down by the tailpost area for
getting to your tailwheel arm/assy. fittings ? Brilliant idea.
Mike C.
---------------------------------
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Subject: trangular access panel---in Dick's photo of his tailwheel
Date: Mar 01, 2007
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Ken,
Dick already attached a photo. See it here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=23946&sid=4a12009519e106c
3f3
db66c8f4016009
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From: "Kirk, Bruce" <bkirk(at)yccd.edu>
Subject: Re: trangular access panel---in Dick's photo of his tailwheel
Date: Mar 01, 2007
Is that a lump of lead in the back for counter weight
Bruce Kirk
"Bill Church" wrote:
> Ken,
>
> Dick already attached a photo. See it here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=23946&sid=4a12009519e106c3f3
> db66c8f4016009
>
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From: pietn38b(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 01, 2007
Subject: Re: Newbie Questions
Steve
Not me. I keep my airplanes at Sandridge Airpark just south east of
Collinsville. Jim
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Date: Mar 01, 2007
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: trangular access panel---in Dick's photo of his tailwheel
Oops.....stupid attack!
Ken H
Fargo, ND
Bill Church wrote:
Ken,
Dick already attached a photo. See it here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=23946&sid=4a12009519e106c3f3db66c8f4016009
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Date: Mar 01, 2007
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: tenpol-List:Oshkosh, Memories of 70th anniversery
Hey I remember seeing that piet on a trailer at Oshkosh 99. That was my 1st trip
there. Dad and I saw Mike's Piet there. It was the one that really inspired
Dad to build his piet. He was thinking of building something, but was undecided
on what to build. He was into homebuilding as a late teenager in the late
60's and until the mid 70's flying my grandfather's Speezio TuHoler, and building
the wing of a Cassutt 3M,(which is now mine to complete) Us kids spoiled
the flying budget untill I was 19 and got my private and got him hooked again.
We rented the local spam cans and flew to fly ins to look for what he wanted
to build. Cheap, Easy, And Fun thats The Pietenpol. Thanks to all the guys
who inspired Dad and myself by doing there own thing. You guys probably don't
even realize what you do by simply flying your little homebuilts to the local
airports and giving a kid ( even if just a kid at heart) you don't even see
a dream to go after. Thanks again to all and I
hope to be able to pay forward all the inspiration to the local airport kid who
is told "DON'T TOUCH MY AIRPLANE". I will instead see if he's allowed to take
a ride in the front seat of the Piet and plant a seed of interest. This is
what we all need to do once in a while to make sure the coming generations can
experiance the pure joy of flying for the fun of it, and our hobby stays alive
for generations to come.
LONG LIVE THE PIETENPOL!!
Shad
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 7:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: landing at Oshkosh
There is enough pressure when landing your plane at Oshkosh for the convention,
let alone adding the stress of a 25 knot direct crosswind. You
did good, Jack. We lost a Pietenpol in an accident landing at Oshkosh (thankfully
the pilot was okay) when the propwash from a DC-3 on 18R
washed over our landing runway of 18L. The light southwest breeze blew the DC-3's
takeoff propwash over our runway and it just happened to
hit this one nice gent from either Mississippi or Missouri. The emergency repair
folks (can't think of that guys name off the top) at EAA helped get
the plane to where he could trailer it home. That was in 1999 when we had 17
planes there for the 7th anniversary of the design. The 80th is coming
up in 2009.
Mike C.
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From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: trangular access panel---in Dick's photo of his tailwheel
Date: Mar 01, 2007
Bruce
Exactly right! Engine is on and wings aren't. Also there are weights on
rear cockpit floor, or it would nose over.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk, Bruce" <bkirk(at)yccd.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: trangular access panel---in Dick's photo of his
tailwheel
Is that a lump of lead in the back for counter weight
Bruce Kirk
"Bill Church" wrote:
> Ken,
>
> Dick already attached a photo. See it here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=23946&sid=4a12009519e106c3f3
> db66c8f4016009
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 01, 2007
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: over complicating the process?
I just co-located he laterals to the vertical side braces, no need to scale
anything.
Rick
On 2/28/07, amsafetyc(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Gentlemen, learned builders
>
> Over the past couple of weeks I have been gluing sticks together and have
> come up with 2 sides of the long fuse. I am now doing the layout on my bench
> to join them, slightly wider than design for obvious reasons. The location
> of the lateral pieces used to join the 2 sides in the standard design are
> well located and identified in the drawing, however those dimensions change
> in the longer fuse, I assume? The location of the laterals are not
> apparent or readily identifiable in the long fuse drawings as to their
> location and placement.
>
> In my endeavors for accuracy, I took a shot at scaling the long fuse
> drawings and found it to be 1 inch actual on the drawing is equal to
> 12.096 inches in scale. Not very helpful and not a readily available
> scaling system for me to use. I am certain I am over complicating this and
> am looking for guidance in this issue and future scaling issues with this
> project as I suspect this in not the only area that will have to be
> addressed.
>
> What is everyone else using to scale the location of the lateral members,
> or is there something I am missing in locating the placement of those
> laterals to join the sides. The long fuse plans leave much to be desired.
> Do I locate the laterals at the same location as those detailed in the
> standard version fuse?
>
> Much confusion here on this issue, any and all advise in locating the
> laterals is appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> John
> ------------------------------
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 02, 2007
Subject: Re: Wind screens
In a message dated 3/1/2007 8:01:45 AM Central Standard Time,
HelsperSew(at)aol.com writes:
I was looking at the photoshare files at Walt Bowes's beautiful 1929
Aircamper and noticed that he only has a windsreen for the rear seat. Has anyone
had
experience with this set-up, and would you recommend it?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
I have a removable front wind screen, that is attached with three sheet metal
screws and tinnerman nuts. I have a sheet metal cover for the front cockpit,
with a butterfly type hinge on butt line zero (BL0), that hinges for access
to the luggage in the front pit. With the front cover installed, it looks like
a single place airplane. The windscreen has to be removed to install the
front cover, which I use in the cooler weather, or when traveling cross country.
It takes about ten minutes to make the conversion.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
________________________________________________________________________________
From: <harvey.rule(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: RAA magazine
Date: Mar 02, 2007
Piets were featured in the RAA magazine for March and April;great articles
in there.Only problem is you have to be a member of the RAA to get one.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Shad and Gary Bell
Date: Mar 02, 2007
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Shad,
Now that you and your Dad have your Pietenpol flying you are now a
member of the Air Camper Ambassador Program (no dues or newsletter,
thank you)
wherever you go with your new Pietenpol so you pass the torch just like
those guys who came before myself and others passed the bug, the torch,
the
glue (pass the mayo, while you're at it) and such. Your fever will be
contagious to the next potential builders and some will keep it as a
fond memory
and others will be inspired to get a license or take a flying lesson,
buy plans, and some will even build and fly a complete Air Camper
because of what
you and Gary have accomplished. No wonder this plane has been around
almost 80 years.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 02, 2007
Subject: Re: Shad and Gary Bell
Mike,
Liked your post about passing the dream. I was taking my flying lessons at
DuPage County A/P in St.Charles IL in 1971 (I was 16) when I first laid eyes
on a pietenpol tied down there. Fell in love and never forgot. Still
remember the feeling to this day. The day I fly mine will be very joyous for
me.
75%done, 85% to go.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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Date: Mar 02, 2007
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Choice vs: Insurability of Completed Project
Bill,
Engine selection is just one of the things they look at. I found the
guy at Falcon to be less than helpful when I tried to insure my Baby
Ace. He wanted 20-25 hours tailwheel time, and 125 hours total time
before he would even submit an application. I asked him about the
Piet/Corvair combination and he didn't think the underwriters would go
for it. I asked 2 years ago at Sun-n-fun and was told that a Model A
was easy to insure, and he could probably insure a Wynn conversion. I
would suggest calling Falcon *now *and asking them if your project was
finished today, with the engine/prop combination you are planning to
have, and your flying experience, if they would insure you and what the
rate would be. If they would write it, ask what the rate would be with
a certified aircraft engine too. I asked William Wynn the insurance
question at CC9 and he said insurance was available, but didn't give
specifics. The insurance industry changes, so what they said 2 years
ago would be different from today, and will be different when my project
is finally completed.
Obviously there are lots of considerations in engine selection. That's
one of the things that makes experimental aviation so unique. Its great
that we are free to make the choice, but do yourself a favor and call
around, get a few quotes, and then proceed as you see prudent. Let the
list know what you find out.
Ben Charvet
Bill Princell wrote:
> Hi Ben:
>
> I met you at CC#9. I also attended CC#10 and discussed the
> insurability issue with William in private. His answer to me was that
> Falcon Insurance Company will insure an airworthy home-built with a
> Corvair engine providing the engine is built and sold by him
> (William), with his assigned "conversion serial number. If I build a
> Corvair engine to his (William's) specs, using his conversion parts,
> along with the other parts and procedures he recommends, he will check
> out the completed engine and then assign a FlyCorvair serial number.
> Falcon will then insure it. I saw your post several weeks ago
> regarding the fact that you had made a decision to go with a different
> engine. I was curious at the time about why you were switching. Now I
> know. Did you ever discuss the insurance issue with William?
>
> Just My Two Cents Worth
>
> Bill Princell - Noblesville, IN
> Corvair Powered Pietenpol Rebuild Project
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Shad and Gary Bell
Date: Mar 02, 2007
I've made it a point to look around the airport for kids looking through the
fence, kids hanging around the airplanes, kids on bikes, kids anywhere...
and I haven't seen any. Wish there were, because I'd gladly give them
rides, but they all seem to be inside playing video games or at the mall or
on their cellphones.
I'm working on our two grandsons to make sure that doesn't happen. They
need to play barefoot outside, ride bikes, and make toy boats out of wood
scraps to float down the curb when it rains. They already have a black Lab
and little fishing rods, so we're off to a good start. Now I just need to
get their mama to let me play "Round Sounds" in the car when we're going
places with them, so they can learn what a big radial sounds like before
they're all extinct.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 02, 2007
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Step question and Helmet cam information
Members of the list:
I am interested in photos and designs of a step inserted in the fuse for the
rear pilot to gain access into and out of the rear cockpit. I thought I had seen
a photo of one whereas you insert foot into the made opening and then step
up and into the cockpit. I believe it was located back around the rear seat. Make
sense?!? Interested in this approach and its' design. Any assistance is greatly
appreciated. I know marine boats have a similar design which is made out
of metal that you just cut and install in place.
AND........
Here is the information on my helmet cam purchased at Shopko. You may just try
and find the manufacturer and see what other stores carry this set-up.
Model ATC2K Water Resistant Hands Free Helmet Cam with Flash Memory Video Recorder.
640x480 VGA resolution @ 30 frames per second. USB and RCA cables included.
Playback on PC or TV. Plug and play direct. 32 MB internal memory w/expandable
up to 2 GB with SD card(not included) mounts easily on helmets and a wide
array of sports equipment. Needs windows XP or Windows 2000.
Ken H
Fargo, ND
Company is Oregon Scientific, Inc. Tualatin, Oregon 1-800-853-8883 www.oregonscientific.com
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Date: Mar 02, 2007
From: "Bill Princell" <weprincell(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Choice vs: Insurability of Completed Project
Hi Ben:
Thanks for the reply. I'll make it a point to ask questions at the Falcon
Ins. booth when I attend SNF this year. As you point out the requirements
for insurability are changing constantly. Hopefully, the Corvair engine
program will maintain a good safety record over the next several years as
more and more are flying. I expect my rebuild project to be completed in
two/three years. Just starting my Sport Pilot training in a tail-wheel, so
maybe I will be able to meet the minimum requirements by the time I'm
finished, if the rules haven't changed again.
I saw pictures of your Piet project on the West Coast Piet website recently.
Looks like your project is progressing very nicely. The quality of your
workmanship shows in every picture. Looks like you also have a great shop to
work in.
Bill -
On 3/2/07, Ben Charvet wrote:
>
>
> Bill,
> Engine selection is just one of the things they look at. I found the
> guy at Falcon to be less than helpful when I tried to insure my Baby
> Ace. He wanted 20-25 hours tailwheel time, and 125 hours total time
> before he would even submit an application. I asked him about the
> Piet/Corvair combination and he didn't think the underwriters would go
> for it. I asked 2 years ago at Sun-n-fun and was told that a Model A
> was easy to insure, and he could probably insure a Wynn conversion. I
> would suggest calling Falcon *now *and asking them if your project was
> finished today, with the engine/prop combination you are planning to
> have, and your flying experience, if they would insure you and what the
> rate would be. If they would write it, ask what the rate would be with
> a certified aircraft engine too. I asked William Wynn the insurance
> question at CC9 and he said insurance was available, but didn't give
> specifics. The insurance industry changes, so what they said 2 years
> ago would be different from today, and will be different when my project
> is finally completed.
>
> Obviously there are lots of considerations in engine selection. That's
> one of the things that makes experimental aviation so unique. Its great
> that we are free to make the choice, but do yourself a favor and call
> around, get a few quotes, and then proceed as you see prudent. Let the
> list know what you find out.
>
> Ben Charvet
>
> Bill Princell wrote:
>
> > Hi Ben:
> >
> > I met you at CC#9. I also attended CC#10 and discussed the
> > insurability issue with William in private. His answer to me was that
> > Falcon Insurance Company will insure an airworthy home-built with a
> > Corvair engine providing the engine is built and sold by him
> > (William), with his assigned "conversion serial number. If I build a
> > Corvair engine to his (William's) specs, using his conversion parts,
> > along with the other parts and procedures he recommends, he will check
> > out the completed engine and then assign a FlyCorvair serial number.
> > Falcon will then insure it. I saw your post several weeks ago
> > regarding the fact that you had made a decision to go with a different
> > engine. I was curious at the time about why you were switching. Now I
> > know. Did you ever discuss the insurance issue with William?
> >
> > Just My Two Cents Worth
> >
> > Bill Princell - Noblesville, IN
> > Corvair Powered Pietenpol Rebuild Project
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <dj(at)veghdesign.com>
Subject: Helmet cam
Date: Mar 02, 2007
speaking of helmet cams....
here's a video in my Tcraft from a home made helmet cam. Used a Canon
A640 in video mode at full resolution.
http://veghdesign.com/tcraft_ffz_1.wmv (hi-res 63mb)
http://veghdesign.com/tcraft_ffz_1_low.wmv (lo-res 23mb)
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
To: Pietenpol
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 8:22 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Step question and Helmet cam information
Members of the list:
I am interested in photos and designs of a step inserted in the fuse
for the rear pilot to gain access into and out of the rear cockpit. I
thought I had seen a photo of one whereas you insert foot into the made
opening and then step up and into the cockpit. I believe it was located
back around the rear seat. Make sense?!? Interested in this approach
and its' design. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. I know marine
boats have a similar design which is made out of metal that you just cut
and install in place.
AND........
Here is the information on my helmet cam purchased at Shopko. You may
just try and find the manufacturer and see what other stores carry this
set-up.
Model ATC2K Water Resistant Hands Free Helmet Cam with Flash Memory
Video Recorder. 640x480 VGA resolution @ 30 frames per second. USB and
RCA cables included. Playback on PC or TV. Plug and play direct. 32 MB
internal memory w/expandable up to 2 GB with SD card(not included)
mounts easily on helmets and a wide array of sports equipment. Needs
windows XP or Windows 2000.
Ken H
Fargo, ND
Company is Oregon Scientific, Inc. Tualatin, Oregon 1-800-853-8883
www.oregonscientific.com
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From: <harvey.rule(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: Helmet cam
Date: Mar 02, 2007
That was really neat;I felt like I was flying that plane myself.Thanks for
the flight!That's a keeper for sure.
>From: "DJ Vegh" <dj(at)veghdesign.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Helmet cam
>Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:02:32 -0700
>
>speaking of helmet cams....
>
>here's a video in my Tcraft from a home made helmet cam. Used a Canon A640
>in video mode at full resolution.
>
>http://veghdesign.com/tcraft_ffz_1.wmv (hi-res 63mb)
>
>http://veghdesign.com/tcraft_ffz_1_low.wmv (lo-res 23mb)
>
>DJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
> To: Pietenpol
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 8:22 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Step question and Helmet cam information
>
>
> Members of the list:
>
> I am interested in photos and designs of a step inserted in the fuse for
>the rear pilot to gain access into and out of the rear cockpit. I thought I
>had seen a photo of one whereas you insert foot into the made opening and
>then step up and into the cockpit. I believe it was located back around the
>rear seat. Make sense?!? Interested in this approach and its' design. Any
>assistance is greatly appreciated. I know marine boats have a similar
>design which is made out of metal that you just cut and install in place.
>
> AND........
>
> Here is the information on my helmet cam purchased at Shopko. You may
>just try and find the manufacturer and see what other stores carry this
>set-up.
>
> Model ATC2K Water Resistant Hands Free Helmet Cam with Flash Memory
>Video Recorder. 640x480 VGA resolution @ 30 frames per second. USB and RCA
>cables included. Playback on PC or TV. Plug and play direct. 32 MB internal
>memory w/expandable up to 2 GB with SD card(not included) mounts easily on
>helmets and a wide array of sports equipment. Needs windows XP or Windows
>2000.
>
> Ken H
> Fargo, ND
> Company is Oregon Scientific, Inc. Tualatin, Oregon 1-800-853-8883
>www.oregonscientific.com
>
>
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From: <harvey.rule(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: Step question and Helmet cam information
Date: Mar 02, 2007
I have a few pics of this ;I will see if I can send them along. I will have
to send this letter to outlook first,sympatico doesn't want to accept the
pics as attachments.
>From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To: Pietenpol
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Step question and Helmet cam information
>Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 07:22:44 -0800 (PST)
>
>Members of the list:
>
> I am interested in photos and designs of a step inserted in the fuse for
>the rear pilot to gain access into and out of the rear cockpit. I thought I
>had seen a photo of one whereas you insert foot into the made opening and
>then step up and into the cockpit. I believe it was located back around the
>rear seat. Make sense?!? Interested in this approach and its' design. Any
>assistance is greatly appreciated. I know marine boats have a similar
>design which is made out of metal that you just cut and install in place.
>
> AND........
>
> Here is the information on my helmet cam purchased at Shopko. You may
>just try and find the manufacturer and see what other stores carry this
>set-up.
>
> Model ATC2K Water Resistant Hands Free Helmet Cam with Flash Memory
>Video Recorder. 640x480 VGA resolution @ 30 frames per second. USB and RCA
>cables included. Playback on PC or TV. Plug and play direct. 32 MB internal
>memory w/expandable up to 2 GB with SD card(not included) mounts easily on
>helmets and a wide array of sports equipment. Needs windows XP or Windows
>2000.
>
> Ken H
> Fargo, ND
> Company is Oregon Scientific, Inc. Tualatin, Oregon 1-800-853-8883
>www.oregonscientific.com
>
>
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From: <harvey.rule(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: Step question and Helmet cam information
Date: Mar 02, 2007
Ok I finally figured out how to get you those pics.The aluninum box that a
friend of mine made up for me looks like this" >" from the side.I don't have
a pic of it but you can see the top view from behide the seat in one of the
pics.He also made the the horseshoe bracket that holds the whole thing in
place .The box has a flange on it so the horseshoe bracket can hold it.There
are two horseshoe brackets ,one for the inside and one for the outside.They
bolt together with short bolts and nuts.I only use my toe to get in.The
whole foot will not fit in the box,but it is enough to get the leverage in
order to get in.I put a rubber bottom on it to take the wear,made out of the
side of a rubber boot cut to shape and glued in.You can use either foot.I
also put in a flop door as you can see.Pryor to this I had to do the limbo
to get in,now I just step right in there easy as pie. Most of this work was
done by friends of mine helpng me.I watched and learned from the masters.I
hope this helps a little.From the pics you can see the positioning of the
box.I have seen in other pics from other sites boxs made out of wood and
they look quite good and that is where I found out where to put the box.I
will see if I can find those sites again and if I find it I will send it
along.
>From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To: Pietenpol
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Step question and Helmet cam information
>Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 07:22:44 -0800 (PST)
>
>Members of the list:
>
> I am interested in photos and designs of a step inserted in the fuse for
>the rear pilot to gain access into and out of the rear cockpit. I thought I
>had seen a photo of one whereas you insert foot into the made opening and
>then step up and into the cockpit. I believe it was located back around the
>rear seat. Make sense?!? Interested in this approach and its' design. Any
>assistance is greatly appreciated. I know marine boats have a similar
>design which is made out of metal that you just cut and install in place.
>
> AND........
>
> Here is the information on my helmet cam purchased at Shopko. You may
>just try and find the manufacturer and see what other stores carry this
>set-up.
>
> Model ATC2K Water Resistant Hands Free Helmet Cam with Flash Memory
>Video Recorder. 640x480 VGA resolution @ 30 frames per second. USB and RCA
>cables included. Playback on PC or TV. Plug and play direct. 32 MB internal
>memory w/expandable up to 2 GB with SD card(not included) mounts easily on
>helmets and a wide array of sports equipment. Needs windows XP or Windows
>2000.
>
> Ken H
> Fargo, ND
> Company is Oregon Scientific, Inc. Tualatin, Oregon 1-800-853-8883
>www.oregonscientific.com
>
>
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From: <harvey.rule(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: Step question and Helmet cam information
Date: Mar 02, 2007
Ok I found the web page and the pics of the wooden box step;the web page is
www.cpc-world.com and I retrieved a few pics for you off it;see
attachments.Enjoy.By the way from this guys web page you get a lot of info
on how to build a piet but he is only one of many.His stuff looks good
though.
>From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To: Pietenpol
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Step question and Helmet cam information
>Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 07:22:44 -0800 (PST)
>
>Members of the list:
>
> I am interested in photos and designs of a step inserted in the fuse for
>the rear pilot to gain access into and out of the rear cockpit. I thought I
>had seen a photo of one whereas you insert foot into the made opening and
>then step up and into the cockpit. I believe it was located back around the
>rear seat. Make sense?!? Interested in this approach and its' design. Any
>assistance is greatly appreciated. I know marine boats have a similar
>design which is made out of metal that you just cut and install in place.
>
> AND........
>
> Here is the information on my helmet cam purchased at Shopko. You may
>just try and find the manufacturer and see what other stores carry this
>set-up.
>
> Model ATC2K Water Resistant Hands Free Helmet Cam with Flash Memory
>Video Recorder. 640x480 VGA resolution @ 30 frames per second. USB and RCA
>cables included. Playback on PC or TV. Plug and play direct. 32 MB internal
>memory w/expandable up to 2 GB with SD card(not included) mounts easily on
>helmets and a wide array of sports equipment. Needs windows XP or Windows
>2000.
>
> Ken H
> Fargo, ND
> Company is Oregon Scientific, Inc. Tualatin, Oregon 1-800-853-8883
>www.oregonscientific.com
>
>
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Date: Mar 02, 2007
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Step question and Helmet cam information
Thanks Very Much Harvey!!
Ken Heide
Fargo, ND
harvey.rule(at)sympatico.ca wrote:
Ok I finally figured out how to get you those pics.The aluninum box that a
friend of mine made up for me looks like this" >" from the side.I don't have
a pic of it but you can see the top view from behide the seat in one of the
pics.He also made the the horseshoe bracket that holds the whole thing in
place .The box has a flange on it so the horseshoe bracket can hold it.There
are two horseshoe brackets ,one for the inside and one for the outside.They
bolt together with short bolts and nuts.I only use my toe to get in.The
whole foot will not fit in the box,but it is enough to get the leverage in
order to get in.I put a rubber bottom on it to take the wear,made out of the
side of a rubber boot cut to shape and glued in.You can use either foot.I
also put in a flop door as you can see.Pryor to this I had to do the limbo
to get in,now I just step right in there easy as pie. Most of this work was
done by friends of mine helpng me.I watched and learned from the masters.I
hope this helps a little.From the pics you can see the positioning of the
box.I have seen in other pics from other sites boxs made out of wood and
they look quite good and that is where I found out where to put the box.I
will see if I can find those sites again and if I find it I will send it
along.
>From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP"
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To: Pietenpol
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Step question and Helmet cam information
>Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 07:22:44 -0800 (PST)
>
>Members of the list:
>
> I am interested in photos and designs of a step inserted in the fuse for
>the rear pilot to gain access into and out of the rear cockpit. I thought I
>had seen a photo of one whereas you insert foot into the made opening and
>then step up and into the cockpit. I believe it was located back around the
>rear seat. Make sense?!? Interested in this approach and its' design. Any
>assistance is greatly appreciated. I know marine boats have a similar
>design which is made out of metal that you just cut and install in place.
>
> AND........
>
> Here is the information on my helmet cam purchased at Shopko. You may
>just try and find the manufacturer and see what other stores carry this
>set-up.
>
> Model ATC2K Water Resistant Hands Free Helmet Cam with Flash Memory
>Video Recorder. 640x480 VGA resolution @ 30 frames per second. USB and RCA
>cables included. Playback on PC or TV. Plug and play direct. 32 MB internal
>memory w/expandable up to 2 GB with SD card(not included) mounts easily on
>helmets and a wide array of sports equipment. Needs windows XP or Windows
>2000.
>
> Ken H
> Fargo, ND
> Company is Oregon Scientific, Inc. Tualatin, Oregon 1-800-853-8883
>www.oregonscientific.com
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From: Pietsrneat(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 02, 2007
Subject: Plywood
Group,
I need to order plywood for a short fuselage Piet. Does anyone know off
the top of their head what thicknesses and quantities?
Ron
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From: "Scott Schreiber" <got22b(at)subarubrat.com>
Subject: On the subject of engines
Date: Mar 02, 2007
As I search, I am coming accross a wide range of prices and sources. I
really don't care to get burned and find myself probably passing up some
good deals.
For example, this one on barnstormers looks good on the surface, any
comments?
http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=142149
-Scott
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 02, 2007
Subject: Re: Model A received
Rick,
Here is an estimate for the total cost of my Model A rebuild.
Original run-out from Ebay
$100
Rebuild work from Antique Engine Rebuilders, Skokie IL
2,700
Water pump and Dual mag drive parts from Ken Perkins
900
Aluminum timing gear I bought (recommended by K.P.)
70
Propeller hub (must make or buy this, KP has for sale)
?
Cost of two slick mags, new (approx)
1200
Cost of ignition harnesses and plugs
?
Aluminum 8 plug head from Snyder's Antique Auto Parts
300
This is what comes to mind so far. Hope this helps.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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From: "glich7(at)juno.com" <glich7(at)juno.com>
Date: Mar 02, 2007
Subject: Engine Choice vs: Insurability of Completed Project
All,
I would agree that it's a good idea to check ahead of time to see
about insurance requirements, as others have said. At least two years
ago, a reply in the open-email section of WW's site a response
explained that he had talked with Bob Mackey(?) at Falcon in order to
arrange for builders to insure their corvair powered planes through
Falcon. I know he said that they can get slightly better rates for
engines built entirely by his shop, but also that owner-built engines,
especially those with his seal of approval, so to speak, could be
insured with only a hoop or two to jump through. As others have said,
things change, but I would think that it would be easier, not harder,
to obtain insurance for the combination as more engines go into
service, but it may not be such a linear relation.
As for the experience requirements, I would obviously suggest that
you get the tailwheel endorsement and an extra hour or five in
whatever you use for your training, before even bothering with the
insurance. If you can get some time in a similar plane, or even a few
hours in type from a friendly pietenpoler near you, it would
drastically improve your chances of a stress-free insurance experience.
As for me, the current plan is to get my tailwheel endorsement from
the folks at Red Stewart Field, in SW ohio. (there's no rush, I'm a
ways from a completed plane for now.) I then hope to get several more
hours in a few other taildraggers they rent there (they even have a
Stearman, and I think something like a pitts) to further prepare for
flying the piet. By this time I would probably be at or over the
requirements for experience for tail-time, that one post suggested.
The last part is a personal choice and I am by no means recommending
this last part.. Assuming I and at LEAST someone else (probably a
flight advisor) thinks I am qualified at this point, I will complete
the 40 hour test program, or however long it takes to fix any bugs,
and THEN look into getting liability insurance, keeping up with
regular inquiries about what their current requirements are, between
now and then. If I can't get a tolerable rate with the 40+ hrs in
type, around 55-60 tail hours, and roughly 200 total hours (estimated)
that I should have by that time, then I'll figure things from there.
Basically all I'm saying is, don't let what one rep, or whoever
said something in the past keep you from using a particular engine. If
you are happy with an A65 or Model A based on the ENGINE itself, then
by all means mount it and fly happy. But the day I let an insurance
salesman tell ME which engine I WANT to use is the day I ruefully find
a new hobby. If I let them tell me how to build and fly based on their
tolerance for (perceived) unknown risk, I would never get off the
ground. Okay I'll put my soapbox away now, ignore or use this as you
see fit.
Tim Hansen in "Windy, Oh look it's the SUN, How about that!" Ohio
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Date: Mar 02, 2007
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Greg Cardinal - plywood
Say Greg.....
I purchased some Okoume plywood from a friend of yours who live in the Mpls area.
I believe he is a canoe/boat builder?. I do believe he is an avid flyer of
aircraft and knows the pietenpol well.... I know he sells many types of plywood
and I am in search of his number. I have purchased wood from him but lost
the invoice. I will be in the area this weekend and need to purchase some more
plywood. Help!...
Ken H.
Fargo, ND
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From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Greg Cardinal - plywood
Date: Mar 02, 2007
That would be Wayne Meier, 651 882-9035.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
To: Pietenpol
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 5:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Greg Cardinal - plywood
Say Greg.....
I purchased some Okoume plywood from a friend of yours who live in the
Mpls area. I believe he is a canoe/boat builder?. I do believe he is an
avid flyer of aircraft and knows the pietenpol well.... I know he sells
many types of plywood and I am in search of his number. I have purchased
wood from him but lost the invoice. I will be in the area this weekend
and need to purchase some more plywood. Help!...
Ken H.
Fargo, ND
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From: "Shawn Wolk" <shawnwolk(at)can.rogers.com>
Subject: RE: RAA magazine
Date: Mar 02, 2007
Yes, one of the Pietenpols featured is mine. C-FRAZ. I haven't seen any
of the articles yet.
Shawn
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Date: Mar 02, 2007
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Step question and Helmet cam information
Here is a picture of the metal tubing step I made for mine.
Rick
On 3/2/07, KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP wrote:
>
> Members of the list:
>
> I am interested in photos and designs of a step inserted in the fuse for
> the rear pilot to gain access into and out of the rear cockpit. I thought I
> had seen a photo of one whereas you insert foot into the made opening and
> then step up and into the cockpit. I believe it was located back around
> the rear seat. Make sense?!? Interested in this approach and its' design.
> Any assistance is greatly appreciated. I know marine boats have a similar
> design which is made out of metal that you just cut and install in place.
>
> AND........
>
> Here is the information on my helmet cam purchased at Shopko. You may just
> try and find the manufacturer and see what other stores carry this set-up.
>
> Model ATC2K Water Resistant Hands Free Helmet Cam with Flash Memory
> Video Recorder. 640x480 VGA resolution @ 30 frames per second. USB and RCA
> cables included. Playback on PC or TV. Plug and play direct. 32 MB internal
> memory w/expandable up to 2 GB with SD card(not included) mounts easily on
> helmets and a wide array of sports equipment. Needs windows XP or Windows
> 2000.
>
> Ken H
> Fargo, ND
> Company is Oregon Scientific, Inc. Tualatin, Oregon 1-800-853-8883
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Date: Mar 02, 2007
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Model A received
Looks like your costs will be very close to the $5500 my Corvair engine is
going to cost.
Rick
On 3/2/07, HelsperSew(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Rick,
>
> Here is an estimate for the total cost of my Model A rebuild.
>
> Original run-out from
> Ebay
> $100
> Rebuild work from Antique Engine Rebuilders, Skokie
> IL 2,700
> Water pump and Dual mag drive parts from Ken
> Perkins 900
> Aluminum timing gear I bought (recommended by K.P.)
> 70
> Propeller hub (must make or buy this, KP has for
> sale) ?
> Cost of two slick mags, new
> (approx) 1200
> Cost of ignition harnesses and
> plugs ?
> Aluminum 8 plug head from Snyder's Antique Auto
> Parts 300
>
> This is what comes to mind so far. Hope this helps.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL
>
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From: "glich7(at)juno.com" <glich7(at)juno.com>
Date: Mar 03, 2007
Subject: transponder?
Ben,
Almost forgot...I'm not sure about this, so I would be interested
in a reference to a specific rule about it. I was under the
impression that you only MUST install a transponder in a PRODUCTION
aircraft which was originally certified with the electrical system. I
may be wrong about the whole thing but I'm fairly sure about the
requirement that the system be original. There are plenty of older
planes out there that were updated with an electrical system just to
have electric start, but didn't need a xponder. Because of the
production part I would think that it wouldn't apply to experimentals.
Incidentally, I do plan to install a transponder anyway because I
live just outside some class charlie airspace and even if I didn't it
could come in handy. As always don't let my assumptions stand if you
know better.
Tim Hansen in Orient, Ohio
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From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: transponder?
Date: Mar 03, 2007
Tim,
You are correct. You don't need a transponder on an experimental with an
electrical system unless your flying in a class of airspace that requires
one.
Gene
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From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: On the subject of engines
Date: Mar 03, 2007
Scott,
I have read tales of horror and woes from buyers of all types of used
engines. "But the seller promised it had only 600 Hrs", the seller
promised it "had just been rebuilt" The log books showed "30 hrs since
major overhaul and even listed all the new parts put in" (that's one I
just got stung on and now I'm having to fork out lots of green stuff for
a complete overhaul). I now have a new saying "a buyer that believes
the seller and doesn't have an honest mechanic that is familiar with
that type of engine check it out first, is buying for a FOOL." The only
bright spot for me is I am working with the mechanic as he's rebuilding
it and I'm learning.
Also, keep in mind that most owners have their favorite engine and no
matter how much problems they may have with them they will still swear
by them. The most used comment I read is "as soon as I install this new
part (shaft--rings--pistons--ect) everything will be perfect"
THE FOOL
Gene----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 4:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: On the subject of engines
As I search, I am coming accross a wide range of prices and sources.
I really don't care to get burned and find myself probably passing up
some good deals.
For example, this one on barnstormers looks good on the surface, any
comments?
http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=142149
-Scott
________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 03, 2007
Subject: Re: Model A received
Ron,
You are right. Add $500 for a radiator that Forrest Lovely (SP?) is working
on for me (I hope).
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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From: Pietsrneat(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 03, 2007
Subject: Re: Model A received
In a message dated 3/3/2007 8:46:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
HelsperSew(at)aol.com writes:
Ron,
You are right. Add $500 for a radiator that Forrest Lovely (SP?) is working
on for me (I hope).
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
Same here. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
Ron
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From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" <M.Silvius(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: cub eyebrows
Date: Mar 03, 2007
wasn't some one here looking for some of these recently?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Piper-Cub-J-3-Engine-Cooling-Eybrows_W0QQi
temZ130084266226QQihZ003QQcategoryZ26439QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
no I'm not the seller just passing it on:
Michael
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From: "DJ Vegh" <dj(at)veghdesign.com>
Subject: GN-1 Plans
Date: Mar 03, 2007
after many months of trying to get in touch with Bob Grega (late J. Grega's
son), I'm debating on whether or not to make the plans available.
I get several emails every month asking where they can be obtained. I have
emailed Bob and asked him if he would sell rights or just let me handle the
distribution. I get nothing back from him. I know he was experiencing some
"family health issues" as he put it, months ago and for all I know something
unfortunate may have befallen him.
So would it be wrong for me to distribute the plans.... and I would hold the
funds in an account so that if at any time in the future he should come from
the woodwork I could reimburse him less printing costs????
I certainly don't want to cross any lines and come across and violating any
copyrights and what I propose may by definition do just that but I hate
dearly to see the GN-1 fall by the wayside.
Opinions please?
DJ Vegh
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 03, 2007
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: transponder?
Tim,
You may be right, but the way I interpreted the regulation, if you get
your airworthiness certificate with an alternator installed (my
interpretation of certificated), you would be required to have the
transponder. This seems to be the understanding at my EAA chapter. We
have a Pietenpol on the field with no alternator because the owner
doesn't want to install a transponder. He already has his airworthiness
certificate, so I'm not sure where he would fall if he were to install
an engine driven power source now. Anyway here is the FAA rule and you
can see what you think. 91.215
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=3492e419fc210c3acdf0eefe16fa3bb1&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.3.10.3.7.8&idno=14
Ben
glich7(at)juno.com wrote:
>
>Ben,
> Almost forgot...I'm not sure about this, so I would be interested
>in a reference to a specific rule about it. I was under the
>impression that you only MUST install a transponder in a PRODUCTION
>aircraft which was originally certified with the electrical system. I
>may be wrong about the whole thing but I'm fairly sure about the
>requirement that the system be original. There are plenty of older
>planes out there that were updated with an electrical system just to
>have electric start, but didn't need a xponder. Because of the
>production part I would think that it wouldn't apply to experimentals.
>Incidentally, I do plan to install a transponder anyway because I
>live just outside some class charlie airspace and even if I didn't it
>could come in handy. As always don't let my assumptions stand if you
>know better.
>
>Tim Hansen in Orient, Ohio
>
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From: "Alan Lyscars" <alyscars(at)maine.rr.com>
Subject: Re: GN-1 Plans
Date: Mar 03, 2007
Hey DJ,
I came across a similar response from Bob, oh, probably 10 months ago. I
also offered to help out but got no reply. I refuse to gossip, and I really
hope Bob is OK.
Al Lyscars
Portland, Maine
GN-1 fittings and ribs in progress
----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ Vegh" <dj(at)veghdesign.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 4:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Plans
>
> after many months of trying to get in touch with Bob Grega (late J.
Grega's
> son), I'm debating on whether or not to make the plans available.
>
> I get several emails every month asking where they can be obtained. I
have
> emailed Bob and asked him if he would sell rights or just let me handle
the
> distribution. I get nothing back from him. I know he was experiencing
some
> "family health issues" as he put it, months ago and for all I know
something
> unfortunate may have befallen him.
>
> So would it be wrong for me to distribute the plans.... and I would hold
the
> funds in an account so that if at any time in the future he should come
from
> the woodwork I could reimburse him less printing costs????
>
> I certainly don't want to cross any lines and come across and violating
any
> copyrights and what I propose may by definition do just that but I hate
> dearly to see the GN-1 fall by the wayside.
>
> Opinions please?
>
> DJ Vegh
> www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
>
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From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" <M.Silvius(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: piet photos
Date: Mar 03, 2007
its no beaty queen but I just came across this one
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1429440766032310096mqdVkk
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From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: piet photos
Date: Mar 03, 2007
It ain't no beauty queen, but if it flies-!
PS- It also don't have a Piet airfoil on it...
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: GN-1 Plans
Date: Mar 03, 2007
DJ
Sometimes silence is by order of a lawyer. No telling what family estate
issues may be involved. Have you seen the news lately?
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ Vegh" <dj(at)veghdesign.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 3:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Plans
>
> after many months of trying to get in touch with Bob Grega (late J.
> Grega's son), I'm debating on whether or not to make the plans available.
>
> I get several emails every month asking where they can be obtained. I
> have emailed Bob and asked him if he would sell rights or just let me
> handle the distribution. I get nothing back from him. I know he was
> experiencing some "family health issues" as he put it, months ago and for
> all I know something unfortunate may have befallen him.
>
> So would it be wrong for me to distribute the plans.... and I would hold
> the funds in an account so that if at any time in the future he should
> come from the woodwork I could reimburse him less printing costs????
>
> I certainly don't want to cross any lines and come across and violating
> any copyrights and what I propose may by definition do just that but I
> hate dearly to see the GN-1 fall by the wayside.
>
> Opinions please?
>
> DJ Vegh
> www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Eric Williams" <ewilliams805(at)msn.com>
Subject: GN-1 Plans
Date: Mar 03, 2007
I think the way you offered to place the proceeds in a separate account
sounds good. If you know a lawyer (or if someone on this list is one) then
maybe there's a short one-page legal document that could be written up to
state that you are not profiting from selling them but rather just
distributing the plans on behalf of the non-responsive copyright holder and
all profits would be forwarded to him if requested within a reasonable time
period.
Also, for the record, save your emails where you tried to get in touch with
him. That all should be quite a bit of backup documentation that you were
acting in good faith and again, giving him the money if he were to ask for
it would go a long way towards making everyone feel warm and fuzzy.
Eric (not a lawyer but an engineer, so I'm forced to write specs sometimes.)
>From: "DJ Vegh" <dj(at)veghdesign.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Plans
>Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 14:01:15 -0700
>
>
>after many months of trying to get in touch with Bob Grega (late J. Grega's
>son), I'm debating on whether or not to make the plans available.
>
>I get several emails every month asking where they can be obtained. I
>have emailed Bob and asked him if he would sell rights or just let me
>handle the distribution. I get nothing back from him. I know he was
>experiencing some "family health issues" as he put it, months ago and for
>all I know something unfortunate may have befallen him.
>
>So would it be wrong for me to distribute the plans.... and I would hold
>the funds in an account so that if at any time in the future he should come
>from the woodwork I could reimburse him less printing costs????
>
>I certainly don't want to cross any lines and come across and violating any
>copyrights and what I propose may by definition do just that but I hate
>dearly to see the GN-1 fall by the wayside.
>
>Opinions please?
>
>DJ Vegh
>www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: GN-1 Plans
From: "TJ" <mrclean9588(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Mar 04, 2007
Hi DJ
A few months ago I was looking around the Grega website and sent a email asking
if plans were still avalable for sale. A couple of days later I got a short one
back saying, no they are not. TJ
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98628#98628
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Date: Mar 04, 2007
From: Gene Beenenga <kgbunltd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: GN-1 Plans
DJ, You did something kind of unique with closing the gaps on your GN-1. Do you
have a photo?
ps. I would also possibly be interested in a set of GN-1 plans (I did not duplicate
mine before I started!)
Ken
-----Original Message-----
>From: DJ Vegh <dj(at)veghdesign.com>
>Sent: Mar 3, 2007 3:01 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Plans
>
>
>after many months of trying to get in touch with Bob Grega (late J. Grega's
>son), I'm debating on whether or not to make the plans available.
>
>I get several emails every month asking where they can be obtained. I have
>emailed Bob and asked him if he would sell rights or just let me handle the
>distribution. I get nothing back from him. I know he was experiencing some
>"family health issues" as he put it, months ago and for all I know something
>unfortunate may have befallen him.
>
>So would it be wrong for me to distribute the plans.... and I would hold the
>funds in an account so that if at any time in the future he should come from
>the woodwork I could reimburse him less printing costs????
>
>I certainly don't want to cross any lines and come across and violating any
>copyrights and what I propose may by definition do just that but I hate
>dearly to see the GN-1 fall by the wayside.
>
>Opinions please?
>
>DJ Vegh
>www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Bacon" <gbacon67(at)hughes.net>
Subject: Wing gap fairings
Date: Mar 04, 2007
Does anyone have pictures of wing gap fairings that that are secured
with leather lacing? Greg Cardinal told me about the method. Sounds
like a neat and simple way to secure them.
Thanks,
Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
NX114D (Mtn. Piet)
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Singleton" <slsingleton(at)cvalley.net>
Subject: Re: GN-1 Plans
Date: Mar 04, 2007
If anyone is interested i have a set of plans that i purchased from Mr.
Grega quite a few years ago that i'd sell or trade for something
interesting. They should be in real good shape as i omly had them out once.
I dont remember if it was Kitplanes or Sport Aviaton that interviewed
someone that had built a GN-1 but after reading the artical i thought it was
something i could build so i called Mr. Grega and ordered a set of plans.
Not long afterwards we bought Champ basket case that we rebuilt with a lot
of help from Mark Anderson (AP IA) who has an Aircamper that he built while
in high school and also a Sky Scout he built latter on. Mark and his Grandpa
Andy Anderson really got me hooked on the Piets but it took me awhile to
finally get started building one. Steve Singleton
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ Vegh" <dj(at)veghdesign.com>
Subject: Re: GN-1 Plans
Date: Mar 04, 2007
I never got that far... but I did put some thought into what I was going to
do.... probably would have ended up just using some fabric.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Beenenga" <kgbunltd(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Plans
>
>
> DJ, You did something kind of unique with closing the gaps on your GN-1.
> Do you have a photo?
>
> ps. I would also possibly be interested in a set of GN-1 plans (I did not
> duplicate mine before I started!)
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: DJ Vegh <dj(at)veghdesign.com>
>>Sent: Mar 3, 2007 3:01 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Plans
>>
>>
>>after many months of trying to get in touch with Bob Grega (late J.
>>Grega's
>>son), I'm debating on whether or not to make the plans available.
>>
>>I get several emails every month asking where they can be obtained. I
>>have
>>emailed Bob and asked him if he would sell rights or just let me handle
>>the
>>distribution. I get nothing back from him. I know he was experiencing
>>some
>>"family health issues" as he put it, months ago and for all I know
>>something
>>unfortunate may have befallen him.
>>
>>So would it be wrong for me to distribute the plans.... and I would hold
>>the
>>funds in an account so that if at any time in the future he should come
>>from
>>the woodwork I could reimburse him less printing costs????
>>
>>I certainly don't want to cross any lines and come across and violating
>>any
>>copyrights and what I propose may by definition do just that but I hate
>>dearly to see the GN-1 fall by the wayside.
>>
>>Opinions please?
>>
>>DJ Vegh
>>www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 05, 2007
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Glue questions......
Members of the list:
(Scenario -Question)....When I have been gluing all my joints, I am not afraid
to use a "fair amount" of glue and enough clamps/weight to keep the joint snug.
I do observe glue squeezing out during the gluing process and clean up the
excess before it dries. After the glue has completely dried, I go over the pieces
joined and with a sure form file(cheese grate file) and remove the excess
glue. I then sand the area and make it look pretty! It is important that all
glue joints be cleaned up for cosmetic reasons? Also, after I apply all gussetts
and the glue is completely dried, I grab the part and "shake it" good to make
sure it stays together. Anyone else questioning the glue joints for piece
of mind?...or am I just over-reacting? (tee-hee-hee) It just seems with my 260lb
frame I feel....lets say concerned that this structure is able to hold me even
with a hard three touch landing.....
Name withheld to protect stupid question and concern.....
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 05, 2007
Subject: Model A carb heat
Hi all,
I'm sure this has been rehashed but I cannot find specific information in
the archives. Why is it again that model A's always need the carb heat on?
The answer is obvious but I need to read the explanation for myself. How much
power do you lose by having this "on" all the time? There is not that much
H.P. to spare! I have read all about the steel wool getting sucked into the
carb, so I won't do that for sure. Any help or advise would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 41CC finally home
Date: Mar 05, 2007
Howdy, Corky/Nathan, and all you Pietenpolers;
Yesterday 41CC finally made it home after its 2+ year odyssey from
Shreveport. What a memorable flight. My hangar-mate Randy Stout flew me
down to Zapata in his Corvair-powered Zenith 601 (a very smooth and pleasant
flight, 1.5 hr.). My instructor Charlie was feeling a little under the
weather but by the time we got the airplane out of the hangar and fired up,
he was hitting on all cylinders so up we went for a final checkout.
Wind was probably 10-12 straight down the runway from the north, chilly, sky
was clear and the bluebonnets are starting to come up in big patches along
the runway. First landing was nearly perfect, second one was botched, third
was mediocre so I called it good and we taxied to the pump to top it off.
Randy departed (I had no hope of flying back with him, his cruise is 2x mine
and he wanted to fly back at 5500', which would take me forever to climb to
and was 34F at that altitude). We topped off the fuel, went into the line
shack, Charlie signed me off in the Pietenpol and signed off my Sport Pilot
currency endorsement, took a copy of my passport and certified that I'm not
a terrorist alien (I'm not kidding... the TSA now requires instructors to
verify and document citizenship before giving you instruction), and then it
was just stalling tactics till I decided to launch into the blue.
It was exhilarating to fly 41CC solo. She is a perfect lady to fly, honest
and true. The first hour sailed by and I hit my waypoints pretty well, but
it was obvious that the tailwind coming down was really going to hurt me
going back. The second hour I was following Interstate 35 pretty much all
the way so there was lots to see... the sun was shining on the airplane
broadside so I made sure I kept close enough to the highway so everybody
could see us up there. I'm sure she made a pretty sight. Speed on that
section of the Interstate is 75, so lots of northbound traffic got a good
look at the airplane as they moved out ahead of me.
I landed in Cotulla to top off the fuel and stretch (man, that little seat
gets hard after a couple of hours!) and made a perfect landing. Taxied to
the pump and it took 8.0 gallons for 2.0 hrs. of flying time at cruise...
exactly on the 4 gal./hr. performance numbers quoted for this engine. She
is as predictable as Old Faithful geyser.
The nice lady at the FBO commented on what a cute little airplane it was,
how fast does it go, where was I headed, and what kind of airplane is it.
Nobody has ever heard of a Pietenpol.
The third, and final, hour was the longest. I will admit that I pushed the
envelope because it was legal sunset by the time I spotted Castroville
airport, which is close to San Geronimo but still 10-15 minutes away. The
rotating beacon was already on at Castroville.
I made a straight-in to the runway at San Geronimo, made a very acceptable
landing, made the first turnoff to our hangar, and put the airplane away
after 3.0 hrs. of x-c and a very uneventful flight. I never went over 2500'
MSL (about 2000 AGL), didn't quite freeze my tail off but wish I would have
so I wouldn't feel it so much, didn't do too badly folding and flipping my
charts, only got lost once (just kidding), only worried about losing the
engine once (okay, maybe a couple of times there over the uninhabited brush
country of South Texas), never saw another airplane, and had a whale of a
good time.
Col. Zuniga, Texas Air Camper Organization, reporting mission completed and
all is well on the Southern front. Awaiting next sortie assignment.
Oscar "got my Piet wings" Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: 41CC finally home
Date: Mar 05, 2007
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com>
Great News Oscar! You gonna fly it to Sun 'n' Fun?
Welcome to the Fraternity
Jack Phillips
TACO Member
NX899JP
_________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike King" <mikek120(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: 41CC finally home
Date: Mar 05, 2007
Congratulations Col. Zuniga! It is good to hear about your journey.
When I bought my GN-1 from a friend of mine in Corpus Christi many
years ago I flew it from there to Dallas, Texas. That was one long
but memorable Sunday.
It looks I might be moving to Corpus. If so, another trip will be on
tap from Dallas to Corpus. You might join me in South Texas one
day for a T.A.C.O. sortie. The Gulf Coast is pretty.....especially
from a PIET / GN-1.
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Ponder, Texas
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 8:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 41CC finally home
Howdy, Corky/Nathan, and all you Pietenpolers;
Yesterday 41CC finally made it home after its 2+ year odyssey from
Shreveport. What a memorable flight. My hangar-mate Randy Stout flew
me
down to Zapata in his Corvair-powered Zenith 601 (a very smooth and
pleasant
flight, 1.5 hr.). My instructor Charlie was feeling a little under
the
weather but by the time we got the airplane out of the hangar and
fired up,
he was hitting on all cylinders so up we went for a final checkout.
Wind was probably 10-12 straight down the runway from the north,
chilly, sky
was clear and the bluebonnets are starting to come up in big patches
along
the runway. First landing was nearly perfect, second one was botched,
third
was mediocre so I called it good and we taxied to the pump to top it
off.
Randy departed (I had no hope of flying back with him, his cruise is
2x mine
and he wanted to fly back at 5500', which would take me forever to
climb to
and was 34F at that altitude). We topped off the fuel, went into the
line
shack, Charlie signed me off in the Pietenpol and signed off my Sport
Pilot
currency endorsement, took a copy of my passport and certified that
I'm not
a terrorist alien (I'm not kidding... the TSA now requires instructors
to
verify and document citizenship before giving you instruction), and
then it
was just stalling tactics till I decided to launch into the blue.
It was exhilarating to fly 41CC solo. She is a perfect lady to fly,
honest
and true. The first hour sailed by and I hit my waypoints pretty
well, but
it was obvious that the tailwind coming down was really going to hurt
me
going back. The second hour I was following Interstate 35 pretty much
all
the way so there was lots to see... the sun was shining on the
airplane
broadside so I made sure I kept close enough to the highway so
everybody
could see us up there. I'm sure she made a pretty sight. Speed on
that
section of the Interstate is 75, so lots of northbound traffic got a
good
look at the airplane as they moved out ahead of me.
I landed in Cotulla to top off the fuel and stretch (man, that little
seat
gets hard after a couple of hours!) and made a perfect landing.
Taxied to
the pump and it took 8.0 gallons for 2.0 hrs. of flying time at
cruise...
exactly on the 4 gal./hr. performance numbers quoted for this engine.
She
is as predictable as Old Faithful geyser.
The nice lady at the FBO commented on what a cute little airplane it
was,
how fast does it go, where was I headed, and what kind of airplane is
it.
Nobody has ever heard of a Pietenpol.
The third, and final, hour was the longest. I will admit that I
pushed the
envelope because it was legal sunset by the time I spotted Castroville
airport, which is close to San Geronimo but still 10-15 minutes away.
The
rotating beacon was already on at Castroville.
I made a straight-in to the runway at San Geronimo, made a very
acceptable
landing, made the first turnoff to our hangar, and put the airplane
away
after 3.0 hrs. of x-c and a very uneventful flight. I never went over
2500'
MSL (about 2000 AGL), didn't quite freeze my tail off but wish I would
have
so I wouldn't feel it so much, didn't do too badly folding and
flipping my
charts, only got lost once (just kidding), only worried about losing
the
engine once (okay, maybe a couple of times there over the uninhabited
brush
country of South Texas), never saw another airplane, and had a whale
of a
good time.
Col. Zuniga, Texas Air Camper Organization, reporting mission
completed and
all is well on the Southern front. Awaiting next sortie assignment.
Oscar "got my Piet wings" Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
_________________________________________________________________
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Singleton" <slsingleton(at)cvalley.net>
Subject: Re: GN-1 Plans
Date: Mar 05, 2007
----- The plans for the GN-1 are sold. Thanks. Steve Singleton
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Col. Oscar TACO
Date: Mar 05, 2007
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
That was some enjoyable reading, Oscar and I'm really happy to hear that
your flight went well---- along with many of the rest of us
on the list, I'm sure. You got a good taste of what Chuck Gantzer,
Jack, and others have experienced now going that far cross
country in a Pietenpol and you did it all in one afternoon. A two hour
leg is about as much as I care to go in the Piet but have gone
2:30 once. Lonely feeling when you are 1 hour away from the nearest
airport, isn't it ? Fortunately here in the midwest you're generally
only 15-30 min. from the nearest airport in a Piet. Your cruising
altitude sounds perfect too. High enough to clear cell towers and most
other towers, low enough to stay somewhat warm. Your new adventure
begins !
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Singleton" <slsingleton(at)cvalley.net>
Subject: Re: 41CC finally home
Date: Mar 05, 2007
Oscar-that was great! Steve Singleton
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 8:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 41CC finally home
>
>
> Howdy, Corky/Nathan, and all you Pietenpolers;
>
> Yesterday 41CC finally made it home after its 2+ year odyssey from
> Shreveport. What a memorable flight. My hangar-mate Randy Stout flew me
> down to Zapata in his Corvair-powered Zenith 601 (a very smooth and
> pleasant flight, 1.5 hr.). My instructor Charlie was feeling a little
> under the weather but by the time we got the airplane out of the hangar
> and fired up, he was hitting on all cylinders so up we went for a final
> checkout.
>
> Wind was probably 10-12 straight down the runway from the north, chilly,
> sky was clear and the bluebonnets are starting to come up in big patches
> along the runway. First landing was nearly perfect, second one was
> botched, third was mediocre so I called it good and we taxied to the pump
> to top it off. Randy departed (I had no hope of flying back with him, his
> cruise is 2x mine and he wanted to fly back at 5500', which would take me
> forever to climb to and was 34F at that altitude). We topped off the
> fuel, went into the line shack, Charlie signed me off in the Pietenpol and
> signed off my Sport Pilot currency endorsement, took a copy of my passport
> and certified that I'm not a terrorist alien (I'm not kidding... the TSA
> now requires instructors to verify and document citizenship before giving
> you instruction), and then it was just stalling tactics till I decided to
> launch into the blue.
>
> It was exhilarating to fly 41CC solo. She is a perfect lady to fly,
> honest and true. The first hour sailed by and I hit my waypoints pretty
> well, but it was obvious that the tailwind coming down was really going to
> hurt me going back. The second hour I was following Interstate 35 pretty
> much all the way so there was lots to see... the sun was shining on the
> airplane broadside so I made sure I kept close enough to the highway so
> everybody could see us up there. I'm sure she made a pretty sight. Speed
> on that section of the Interstate is 75, so lots of northbound traffic got
> a good look at the airplane as they moved out ahead of me.
>
> I landed in Cotulla to top off the fuel and stretch (man, that little seat
> gets hard after a couple of hours!) and made a perfect landing. Taxied to
> the pump and it took 8.0 gallons for 2.0 hrs. of flying time at cruise...
> exactly on the 4 gal./hr. performance numbers quoted for this engine. She
> is as predictable as Old Faithful geyser.
>
> The nice lady at the FBO commented on what a cute little airplane it was,
> how fast does it go, where was I headed, and what kind of airplane is it.
> Nobody has ever heard of a Pietenpol.
>
> The third, and final, hour was the longest. I will admit that I pushed
> the envelope because it was legal sunset by the time I spotted Castroville
> airport, which is close to San Geronimo but still 10-15 minutes away. The
> rotating beacon was already on at Castroville.
>
> I made a straight-in to the runway at San Geronimo, made a very acceptable
> landing, made the first turnoff to our hangar, and put the airplane away
> after 3.0 hrs. of x-c and a very uneventful flight. I never went over
> 2500' MSL (about 2000 AGL), didn't quite freeze my tail off but wish I
> would have so I wouldn't feel it so much, didn't do too badly folding and
> flipping my charts, only got lost once (just kidding), only worried about
> losing the engine once (okay, maybe a couple of times there over the
> uninhabited brush country of South Texas), never saw another airplane, and
> had a whale of a good time.
>
> Col. Zuniga, Texas Air Camper Organization, reporting mission completed
> and all is well on the Southern front. Awaiting next sortie assignment.
>
> Oscar "got my Piet wings" Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few
> simple tips.
> http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline
>
>
>
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From: <harvey.rule(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: 41CC finally home
Date: Mar 05, 2007
Way to go Oscar;great story!
Thanks for that,still cold and still snow up here in cold
Canada,Ottawa!Looking forward to the thaw.
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Subject: Cub Cowl
From: "lgroulx200" <lgroulx(at)shaw.ca>
Date: Mar 05, 2007
Hi,
Does anyone have a drawing of a J-3 cowl with measurments?
Thanks
Larry
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Date: Mar 05, 2007
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Glue questions......
Dear withheld,
what type of glue are you using???
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
To: Pietenpol
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 3:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Glue questions......
Members of the list:
(Scenario -Question)....When I have been gluing all my joints, I am
not afraid to use a "fair amount" of glue and enough clamps/weight to
keep the joint snug. I do observe glue squeezing out during the gluing
process and clean up the excess before it dries. After the glue has
completely dried, I go over the pieces joined and with a sure form
file(cheese grate file) and remove the excess glue. I then sand the area
and make it look pretty! It is important that all glue joints be
cleaned up for cosmetic reasons? Also, after I apply all gussetts and
the glue is completely dried, I grab the part and "shake it" good to
make sure it stays together. Anyone else questioning the glue joints for
piece of mind?...or am I just over-reacting? (tee-hee-hee) It just seems
with my 260lb frame I feel....lets say concerned that this structure is
able to hold me even with a hard three touch landing.....
Name withheld to protect stupid question and concern.....
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Date: Mar 05, 2007
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Glue questions......
Glue is T-88 mixed in proper proportions....
walt evans wrote: Dear withheld,
what type of glue are you using???
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
To: Pietenpol
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 3:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Glue questions......
Members of the list:
(Scenario -Question)....When I have been gluing all my joints, I am not afraid
to use a "fair amount" of glue and enough clamps/weight to keep the joint snug.
I do observe glue squeezing out during the gluing process and clean up the
excess before it dries. After the glue has completely dried, I go over the pieces
joined and with a sure form file(cheese grate file) and remove the excess
glue. I then sand the area and make it look pretty! It is important that all
glue joints be cleaned up for cosmetic reasons? Also, after I apply all gussetts
and the glue is completely dried, I grab the part and "shake it" good to make
sure it stays together. Anyone else questioning the glue joints for piece
of mind?...or am I just over-reacting? (tee-hee-hee) It just seems with my 260lb
frame I feel....lets say concerned that this structure is able to hold me even
with a hard three touch landing.....
Name withheld to protect stupid question and concern.....
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Subject: Really Newbie Questions
From: "Bill_Sherwood" <bill.sherwood(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Mar 05, 2007
Hello Everyone,
My name is Bill Sherwood and I have not been involved in homebuilding for thirty
plus years. At the time I was building a Rand KR-1 but I never completed it.
I have purchased a complete set of plans from B. H. P. and Sons Air Camper
Aircraft LLC including the full size wing rib drawing. As a result I am going
to ask some REALLY NEWBIE questions.
What is the glue/adhesive/bonding material of choice? I was using Weldwood product
which was a powder that I mixed with water.
What is a good source for Sitka Spruce? At the time I ordered the wood from Aircraft
Spruce & Specialty Company.
Construction priority. I was planning on constructing the wing ribs first followed
by the tail feathers and then the fuselage construction. I would then build
the wing. I thought that this process sequence would reacquaint me with
wood construction. If this sequence of construction is not logical, please let
me know.
What are the suppliers names for Model-A engines, propellers, radiators, etc?
We are planning on attending the Piet get-together at Brodhead in July. We live
in the Houston, Texas area.
Thanks for your patience,
Bill :)
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From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 05, 2007
Subject: Re: Glue questions......
I started with the WEST SYSTEM epoxy, a real nice set up and no mixing
errors with the pumps, a little more expensive but well worth it. No waste in
glue
and no mix errors. The stuff is great to work with. I am using the slow cure
system harder so I have enough time to get all the joints lined up and set
while not having to worry about pot life. By the time the epoxy begins to
stiffen up I have used it all up.
Not a big mess either, neat clean efficient and a good mix every time, cant
beat it for my money.
I am doing this with the care and accuracy as if my life depends on it, oh
wait , it does!
John
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From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: 41CC finally home
Date: Mar 05, 2007
Very nice write-up, Oscar.
Learning to fly the Pietenpol is a joy. Try the "Khe Sanh" approach, fly a
tight pattern and keep it high on final. When you cross the fence pull the
power to idle and push the nose down, and I mean WAY down. Round out to a
normal flare and touch down. It looks very impressive from the ground. Don't
try it with a passenger though....
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 8:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 41CC finally home
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From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Wing gap fairings
Date: Mar 05, 2007
Hey Greg,
I haven't been able to locate the pictures of the British Piet with the
laced gap fairing.
Simply form the fairing, drill matching holes on upper and lower
surfaces and use leather lacing cord to stitch it together.
What is new with the Mountain Piet re-build?
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Bacon
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 2:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing gap fairings
Does anyone have pictures of wing gap fairings that that are secured
with leather lacing? Greg Cardinal told me about the method. Sounds
like a neat and simple way to secure them.
Thanks,
Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
NX114D (Mtn. Piet)
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 05, 2007
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Houston builders...
There are a couple of very nice Piet builders in the Houston area...
You might check the matronics archives for email addresses...
jm in Pryor OK...trying to keep my mind on my (new) job...Oscar's note has me wanting
VERY badly to get out to the shop to get back to work on MY Piet!
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill_Sherwood <bill.sherwood(at)earthlink.net>
>Sent: Mar 5, 2007 6:07 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Really Newbie Questions
>
>
>Hello Everyone,
> My name is Bill Sherwood and I have not been involved in homebuilding for thirty
plus years. At the time I was building a Rand KR-1 but I never completed
it. I have purchased a complete set of plans from B. H. P. and Sons Air Camper
Aircraft LLC including the full size wing rib drawing. As a result I am going
to ask some REALLY NEWBIE questions.
> What is the glue/adhesive/bonding material of choice? I was using Weldwood product
which was a powder that I mixed with water.
> What is a good source for Sitka Spruce? At the time I ordered the wood from
Aircraft Spruce & Specialty Company.
> Construction priority. I was planning on constructing the wing ribs first followed
by the tail feathers and then the fuselage construction. I would then
build the wing. I thought that this process sequence would reacquaint me with
wood construction. If this sequence of construction is not logical, please let
me know.
> What are the suppliers names for Model-A engines, propellers, radiators, etc?
> We are planning on attending the Piet get-together at Brodhead in July. We live
in the Houston, Texas area.
>
>Thanks for your patience,
>Bill :)
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98943#98943
>
>
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From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 05, 2007
Subject: Re: 41CC finally home
Hey Oscar,
Great write up !! You've captured in words, all the thoughts and thrills of
flying this wonderful design.
It's an adventure every time you take to the air with 'er, and you'll
discover something new each and every flight.
I haven't yet done my first flight of the year, and now you've got me all
pumped up to go fly now...but I'm still in the middle of the Condition
Inspection.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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From: "GlennThomas(at)flyingwood.com" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Subject: Re: 41CC finally home
Date: Mar 05, 2007
Oscar,
Thanks for the inspiring account. Sounds like you have yourself a really
sweet plane. Makes me want to go build RIGHT NOW. I know for a fact that
if I was single I would finish this thing in 2 years tops. GAWD! what a
juggling act this is at times.
Take a short video of the plane (or the ground from the air) some time.
Lucky for you, your Piet IS a one of the beauty queens.
Glenn W. Thomas
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 9:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 41CC finally home
>
>
> Howdy, Corky/Nathan, and all you Pietenpolers;
>
> Yesterday 41CC finally made it home after its 2+ year odyssey from
> Shreveport. What a memorable flight. My hangar-mate Randy Stout flew me
> down to Zapata in his Corvair-powered Zenith 601 (a very smooth and
> pleasant flight, 1.5 hr.). My instructor Charlie was feeling a little
> under the weather but by the time we got the airplane out of the hangar
> and fired up, he was hitting on all cylinders so up we went for a final
> checkout.
>
> Wind was probably 10-12 straight down the runway from the north, chilly,
> sky was clear and the bluebonnets are starting to come up in big patches
> along the runway. First landing was nearly perfect, second one was
> botched, third was mediocre so I called it good and we taxied to the pump
> to top it off. Randy departed (I had no hope of flying back with him, his
> cruise is 2x mine and he wanted to fly back at 5500', which would take me
> forever to climb to and was 34F at that altitude). We topped off the
> fuel, went into the line shack, Charlie signed me off in the Pietenpol and
> signed off my Sport Pilot currency endorsement, took a copy of my passport
> and certified that I'm not a terrorist alien (I'm not kidding... the TSA
> now requires instructors to verify and document citizenship before giving
> you instruction), and then it was just stalling tactics till I decided to
> launch into the blue.
>
> It was exhilarating to fly 41CC solo. She is a perfect lady to fly,
> honest and true. The first hour sailed by and I hit my waypoints pretty
> well, but it was obvious that the tailwind coming down was really going to
> hurt me going back. The second hour I was following Interstate 35 pretty
> much all the way so there was lots to see... the sun was shining on the
> airplane broadside so I made sure I kept close enough to the highway so
> everybody could see us up there. I'm sure she made a pretty sight. Speed
> on that section of the Interstate is 75, so lots of northbound traffic got
> a good look at the airplane as they moved out ahead of me.
>
> I landed in Cotulla to top off the fuel and stretch (man, that little seat
> gets hard after a couple of hours!) and made a perfect landing. Taxied to
> the pump and it took 8.0 gallons for 2.0 hrs. of flying time at cruise...
> exactly on the 4 gal./hr. performance numbers quoted for this engine. She
> is as predictable as Old Faithful geyser.
>
> The nice lady at the FBO commented on what a cute little airplane it was,
> how fast does it go, where was I headed, and what kind of airplane is it.
> Nobody has ever heard of a Pietenpol.
>
> The third, and final, hour was the longest. I will admit that I pushed
> the envelope because it was legal sunset by the time I spotted Castroville
> airport, which is close to San Geronimo but still 10-15 minutes away. The
> rotating beacon was already on at Castroville.
>
> I made a straight-in to the runway at San Geronimo, made a very acceptable
> landing, made the first turnoff to our hangar, and put the airplane away
> after 3.0 hrs. of x-c and a very uneventful flight. I never went over
> 2500' MSL (about 2000 AGL), didn't quite freeze my tail off but wish I
> would have so I wouldn't feel it so much, didn't do too badly folding and
> flipping my charts, only got lost once (just kidding), only worried about
> losing the engine once (okay, maybe a couple of times there over the
> uninhabited brush country of South Texas), never saw another airplane, and
> had a whale of a good time.
>
> Col. Zuniga, Texas Air Camper Organization, reporting mission completed
> and all is well on the Southern front. Awaiting next sortie assignment.
>
> Oscar "got my Piet wings" Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: landing technique
Date: Mar 05, 2007
Greg wrote:
>Try the "Khe Sanh" approach, fly a tight pattern and keep it high on
>final.
>When you cross the fence pull the power to idle and push the nose down,
>and I mean WAY down. Round out to a normal flare and touch down.
Instead, I call my landing technique the "Que son?" ("what are those?" in
Spanish) approach. As in, "Hey, look! Did somebody leave some juicy tacos
laying on the runway numbers?" approach. Coming up abeam the numbers, pull
carb heat and reduce power. If there is no wind, power goes to idle. If
there is wind, hold maybe 1500 RPM. Either way, set 70MPH and do a circling
approach all the way down to the flare. I do lose sight of those tasty
tacos laying down there on the numbers, but regain my view of them as I
round out to final. I realize that 70 is a pretty high approach speed, but
give me a while till I hone my technique and get that down to 65 or 60. For
now, I need the extra margin and I'll take what I can get, especially with
plenty of runway to train on. After all, I climb out at 55 so I know it
will fly at that speed (with power, anyway).
By turn to final, I'm committed and if the airspeed isn't locked in, things
typically won't go well. If airspeed is good, everything is rosy until I
start the flare. My problem in the flare is that I need maybe another
couple of dozen landings before I get that picture burned into my mind and
do it automatically. Right now, my tendency is to flare it a bit high
because I can't quite judge how high I am from kissing the runway and I
don't want to slam it down. The spring gear and tires are great for the
little drop-ins I've done a time or two when flaring too high, but I want to
sharpen that up.
If my airspeed is off when I finish the roundout to final, all bets are off.
Staring at the airspeed indicator has been where I've blown it in this
department. Best way is to just sneak a glance at a critical moment, not to
actually look at the ASI because by then when I look up I'm done for.
As far as short field performance, Charlie aptly demonstrated 41CC's
capabilities by taking off on the ramp at Zapata, pointed directly at the
windsock across the runway from the ramp. I'm going to say 300 ft., but
that's into a good headwind. From my flight Sunday, I can vouch that the
Pietenpol with a good running A65 is an excellent short field performer
going up and coming down.
And I've got to try the "Khe Sanh" approach!
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
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Date: Mar 05, 2007
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Cold weather building
Hello Group, Just wondering what tricks, techniques people use for cold weather
building, gluing imparticular. I am building wings for my biplane and am using
a "heat tent" to keep the wing warm enough for the glue to dry. My shop has
a wood burning stove that will burn me out of there with a good fire in it,
but I don't have time durring the week to mess around with it. I glued a wing
pannel togeather today and it's going to get down to 12 degrees tonight. Hopefully
my "tent" works and my t-88 cures. If anyone is interested the tent is
just a .8 mil plastic drop cloth draped over the wing pannel and a electric heater
fan. I just put the heater at one end of the bench and blow the hot air
under the plastic, with boards holding the plastic down on the sides and let
the plastic inflate. The heater fan blows down the span of the wing pannel and
out the other side. I should put a recording thermometer to record the lowest
temp while the heater runs to see how well this
works. If it keeps it above 50 degrees thats plenty for t-88.
Waiting for warm weather, for flying, and building,
Shad
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From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Another interesting Day.
Date: Mar 06, 2007
Hi Guys,
Well, I had another interesting day in the Pietenpol today!
I experienced my first out landing. I went for a fly this morning to check
whether any changes I had made to baffling had improved my oil temps. The
wind on the ground was very calm, but after take off I found the winds aloft
were significantly higher. The oil temps were OK and I went a little farther
than I had planned. Turning for home the temps started to rise and with the
headwind, the time to get back to the airport was increasing.
I nearly made it. The temps reached about 280 F and the engine stopped,
briefly I think, but I shut it down and headed for the ground. I had to put
down two paddocks (fields) away from the threshold of the runway. There were
two drainage ditches in the field and I managed to get in and stopped
between them. I did a little damage to the undercarriage but otherwise all
was OK. I walked back to the airfield and eventually put the Peit on a
trailer and towed it back to the hangar.
First thing our airport manager did was to offer to sell me his old O-200
that he has just taken out of a C150.
So, tomorrow, I'll remove the engine and have a look to see what the damage
is. I will certainly have to look much more closely at the cooling of the
Corvair.
Other than the engine temps, the Piet is flying beautifully. I can't wait
for the engine temps to behave as well as the airplane!
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
--
9:41 AM
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From: "Steve Singleton" <slsingleton(at)cvalley.net>
Subject: Re: Another interesting Day.
Date: Mar 06, 2007
Peter-Good to hear your OK. Steve S
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 3:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another interesting Day.
>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> Well, I had another interesting day in the Pietenpol today!
>
> I experienced my first out landing. I went for a fly this morning to check
> whether any changes I had made to baffling had improved my oil temps. The
> wind on the ground was very calm, but after take off I found the winds
> aloft
> were significantly higher. The oil temps were OK and I went a little
> farther
> than I had planned. Turning for home the temps started to rise and with
> the
> headwind, the time to get back to the airport was increasing.
>
> I nearly made it. The temps reached about 280 F and the engine stopped,
> briefly I think, but I shut it down and headed for the ground. I had to
> put
> down two paddocks (fields) away from the threshold of the runway. There
> were
> two drainage ditches in the field and I managed to get in and stopped
> between them. I did a little damage to the undercarriage but otherwise all
> was OK. I walked back to the airfield and eventually put the Peit on a
> trailer and towed it back to the hangar.
>
> First thing our airport manager did was to offer to sell me his old O-200
> that he has just taken out of a C150.
>
> So, tomorrow, I'll remove the engine and have a look to see what the
> damage
> is. I will certainly have to look much more closely at the cooling of the
> Corvair.
>
> Other than the engine temps, the Piet is flying beautifully. I can't wait
> for the engine temps to behave as well as the airplane!
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> Wonthaggi Australia
> http://www.cpc-world.com
>
>
> --
> 9:41 AM
>
>
>
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Subject: Emergency landing: Peter in Australia
Date: Mar 06, 2007
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Glad to hear you landed safely Peter and that you've got an offer on an
0-200 engine. I don't
blame you for switching out to that while you investigate what is
happening with your Corvair.
When your oil temp. on the Corvair starts to rise so high do you get a
corresponding drop in oil
pressure ? We have a GN-1 in our area with a Continental engine and
the owners have tried to
do everything to keep that scenario from happening short of tearing down
the engine. I keep
pointing to either the oil pump or excessive clearances in the bearings.
Mike C.
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Subject: Re: Really Newbie Questions
Date: Mar 06, 2007
From: hvandervoo(at)aol.com
Bill,
Welcome to the list.
I have a Pietenpol Aircamper at Sky Lakes in Waller and will be giving a Pre
sentation at next chapter meeting of 774 at Sportflyers.I intend to be there
with my airplane.
Lonnie Tucker at Sportflyers has a Aircamper with a Model A, I believe he ha
d his engine build by someone in College Station.
Come to the meeting, It ain't Brodhead but a lot closer
Hans van der Voort
NX 15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: bill.sherwood(at)earthlink.net
Sent: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 6:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Really Newbie Questions
nk.net>
Hello Everyone,
My name is Bill Sherwood and I have not been involved in homebuilding fo
r
thirty plus years. At the time I was building a Rand KR-1 but I never compl
eted
it. I have purchased a complete set of plans from B. H. P. and Sons Air Cam
per
Aircraft LLC including the full size wing rib drawing. As a result I am goi
ng
to ask some REALLY NEWBIE questions.
=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=A2 What is the glue/adhesive/bonding material of choice?
I was using Weldwood
product which was a powder that I mixed with water.
=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=A2 What is a good source for Sitka Spruce? At the time I
ordered the wood from
Aircraft Spruce & Specialty Company.
=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=A2 Construction priority. I was planning on constructing
the wing ribs first
followed by the tail feathers and then the fuselage construction. I would t
hen
build the wing. I thought that this process sequence would reacquaint me wi
th
wood construction. If this sequence of construction is not logical, please
let
me know.
=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=A2 What are the supplier=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s names f
or Model-A engines, propellers, radiators,
etc?
=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=A2 We are planning on attending the Piet get-together at
Brodhead in July. We
live in the Houston, Texas area.
Thanks for your patience,
Bill :)
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Subject: Welcome Bill Sherwood
Date: Mar 06, 2007
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Hello Bill and welcome to the Pietenpol list. Glad to hear that you are
considering getting back into homebuilding. On your visit to Brodhead
you might consider taking a note pad, camera, video camera, & measuring
tape. Gather as much information as you can there so you can look back
over that info as you build. The group knows what I'm going to type
next: purchase all of the Tony Bingelis homebuilding books from EAA. I
see they are on sale now--buy all four for $69 if you can.
http://shop.eaa.org/html/04_books_bingelis.html?cart_id= Those books
were the best resource (in addition to this list) during my building
days on the Pietenpol. I used T-88 and was very happy with it. Bought
100% of my wood from Wicks. Aircraft Spruce for me is a waste of time
(service is horrible in some cases) and the folks at Wicks know
aircraft....the folks at ACS are just answering the phone. (your
experiences may vary) Jim Sury in the Needville-Fairchilds area SW of
Houston built a fine GN-1 and is a good gent who might be able to give
you some tips. (He recently converted his plane into a one-seater
(built a new fuselage) with long range (to Belize ?) tanks. I'm kidding
about the tanks but he did build a new fuselage. The list has a
searchable archive section and photoshare area where you can look up
postings from here to midnight next month. Have fun and glad you're
here.
Mike C. in Ohio
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 06, 2007
Subject: Re: Really Newbie Questions
Bill,
That sequence is the one usually undertaken by a lot of builders. I made my
wing ribs first, tail feathers, then the entire wing. I am now about 80%
done with my fuse, with 40% to go on it. I will finish my plane on Tuesday.
:)
I used T-88 because everybody said it is bulletproof. I agree. I got all
my wood from A/C Spruce and had very good luck with them. Below is a lead for
you on Model A engines. I'm not sure how far Royce City is from Houston,
but at least it is in the same state.
Ron Kelley
1454 Blackland Lane
Royse City TX 75189
Phone
972-771-1911
_http://users.aol.com/gmaclaren/dyno.html_
(http://users.aol.com/gmaclaren/dyno.html)
Look forward to seeing you at Brodhead '07.
Dan Helsper, Poplar Grove, IL
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From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: videos of 41CC
Date: Mar 06, 2007
Glenn wrote-
>Take a short video of the plane (or the ground from the air) some time.
Well, I don't know how to do videos and probably won't mess with it unless a
cinematographer wants to ride along with me and do it. I do better painting
word pictures than making videos, and this airplane sure gives me plenty of
material to paint my pictures with. You get the full effect of all senses
with this airplane, although I must admit that I have yet to catch a bug in
my teeth and engage my sense of taste ;o) There are several splattered on
the windscreens, though.
>Lucky for you, your Piet IS one of the beauty queens.
Honestly, Corky did finish the airplane up very nicely but my objective in
the repairs has not been to maintain it in a meticulous level of finish. I
am reminded that this airplane was conceived and designed by a farm boy,
built on a farm using readily available materials, was intended to operate
out of barnyards and farm fields, and all of this was way before Stits, air
compressors, vinyl graphics, AN hardware, computers, and all the rest of it.
I painted my fabric patches using horsehair brushes working straight out of
the Poly-Tone can, or else I used Rust-Oleum rattle cans from Lowe's if the
color matched close enough. If you approach the airplane any closer than
about 20 ft., you might as well not start looking for flaws because you'll
never stop finding them. It's a clean and simple job but no award winner.
I don't want people to feel like they can't approach or touch it; quite the
contrary, and I don't want to have to cordon it off at fly-ins. If you
don't feel the wood and fabric on this airplane, you never know what a
Pietenpol really is, do you? If things break, I can fix 'em, patch 'em,
paint 'em, or do 'em over. And I sure know how to use a horsehair brush but
a spray gun is a lot of hassle to me.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
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From: lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Date: Mar 06, 2007
Subject: Model A Carb heat
Dan: I think the loss of power with carb heat on all the time is a moot
point, because from all I have been told, the alternative is that the
Ford will freeze up and die without it. Remember the Oldsmobile in the
movie Christmas story? It would freeze up driving on the equator in
July! Evidently so does the A. Remember in the car the intake manifold
is bolted directly to the exhaust manifold for heat to transfer to the
intake/carb. I think if you had an on-off control it would be in the
'on' all the time any way, so just save the weight and leave the control
off. Instead of steel wool in the heat muff, I am going to wrap a screen
door around the pipe and enclose it with the carb heat shroud. I've
also seen pictures of the A with a metal schroud in front of the
vertical part of the intake above the carb. to where the manifold
branches off to the cyls. It was to keep the prop blast off that part of
the intake. I never heard how that worked out. Leon S. In Ks. where it's
67deg. today. Still would need carb. heat if I were fying today.
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Date: Mar 06, 2007
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: landing technique
Oscar,
A great instructor, Damian, at the next airport over, loved my Pietenpol. I
asked him for landing advise, and what he told me really helped. Bye the
way he taught Harrison Ford the Dehaviland Beaver for his tailwheel
endorsement, cause he did his own flying in his movie.
I climb out at 55mph, and approach about the same, but at the flare point
add some power, maybe 1000/1200 rpm to drag you thru the sink. And as
Damian put it, it gives you lots more control on the rudder with the
windage, to avoid the chance of groundloop.
Now thats my norm, especially on wheel landings, you can just feel, feel,
feel for the runway.
Ain't life Grand!
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 10:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: landing technique
>
>
> Greg wrote:
>
>>Try the "Khe Sanh" approach, fly a tight pattern and keep it high on
>>final.
>>When you cross the fence pull the power to idle and push the nose down,
>>and I mean WAY down. Round out to a normal flare and touch down.
>
> Instead, I call my landing technique the "Que son?" ("what are those?" in
> Spanish) approach. As in, "Hey, look! Did somebody leave some juicy
> tacos laying on the runway numbers?" approach. Coming up abeam the
> numbers, pull carb heat and reduce power. If there is no wind, power goes
> to idle. If there is wind, hold maybe 1500 RPM. Either way, set 70MPH
> and do a circling approach all the way down to the flare. I do lose sight
> of those tasty tacos laying down there on the numbers, but regain my view
> of them as I round out to final. I realize that 70 is a pretty high
> approach speed, but give me a while till I hone my technique and get that
> down to 65 or 60. For now, I need the extra margin and I'll take what I
> can get, especially with plenty of runway to train on. After all, I climb
> out at 55 so I know it will fly at that speed (with power, anyway).
>
> By turn to final, I'm committed and if the airspeed isn't locked in,
> things typically won't go well. If airspeed is good, everything is rosy
> until I start the flare. My problem in the flare is that I need maybe
> another couple of dozen landings before I get that picture burned into my
> mind and do it automatically. Right now, my tendency is to flare it a bit
> high because I can't quite judge how high I am from kissing the runway and
> I don't want to slam it down. The spring gear and tires are great for the
> little drop-ins I've done a time or two when flaring too high, but I want
> to sharpen that up.
>
> If my airspeed is off when I finish the roundout to final, all bets are
> off. Staring at the airspeed indicator has been where I've blown it in
> this department. Best way is to just sneak a glance at a critical moment,
> not to actually look at the ASI because by then when I look up I'm done
> for.
>
> As far as short field performance, Charlie aptly demonstrated 41CC's
> capabilities by taking off on the ramp at Zapata, pointed directly at the
> windsock across the runway from the ramp. I'm going to say 300 ft., but
> that's into a good headwind. From my flight Sunday, I can vouch that the
> Pietenpol with a good running A65 is an excellent short field performer
> going up and coming down.
>
> And I've got to try the "Khe Sanh" approach!
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: landing technique
Date: Mar 06, 2007
Walt,
I land N502R the same way but add only 50 to 100 RPM. The very first
landing I did in my Piet I didn't add any and it was the worst landing I
have ever made in my life (at the top of the bounce I had enough height to
just add power and stay in the pattern). Coming back around, at flare I
added the 50 to 100 RPM's and my landing made me proud. That landing gave
me the confidence that without further ado I headed out for home (Florida to
Tennessee).
Gene
(hopefully getting my engine case back this next week so I can rebuild the
engine and be flying within the month.)
----- Original Message -----
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: landing technique
>
> Oscar,
> A great instructor, Damian, at the next airport over, loved my Pietenpol.
> I asked him for landing advise, and what he told me really helped. Bye
> the way he taught Harrison Ford the Dehaviland Beaver for his
> tailwheel endorsement, cause he did his own flying in his movie.
> I climb out at 55mph, and approach about the same, but at the flare point
> add some power, maybe 1000/1200 rpm to drag you thru the sink. And as
> Damian put it, it gives you lots more control on the rudder with the
> windage, to avoid the chance of groundloop.
> Now thats my norm, especially on wheel landings, you can just feel, feel,
> feel for the runway.
> Ain't life Grand!
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
> "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
> Ben Franklin
> The Pietenpol-List Email Forum -
>
>
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Date: Mar 06, 2007
From: John B Franklin Jr <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: Oscar - SWRFI?
Oscar,
You are bringing your Piet to SWRFI this year, right? Hope to see you there.
Regards,
John F.
GN-1 in progress
Richmond, TX
>
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Subject: Re: Really Newbie Questions
From: "Bill_Sherwood" <bill.sherwood(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Mar 06, 2007
Hans,
Can you tell me the date and time of the next chapter meeting of 774? I
plan on being there for your presentation as well as view your Aircamper [Laughing]
. Will Lonnie Tucker be there as well [Question]
Dan,
I noticed you did not mention which Tuesday [Laughing] .
Thanks,
Bill
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Subject: Re: Welcome Bill Sherwood
From: "Bill_Sherwood" <bill.sherwood(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Mar 06, 2007
Thanks Mike for the WELCOME and Information.
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From: HVandervoo(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 06, 2007
Subject: Re: Really Newbie Questions
Bill,
Should be next week Thursday evening at 7, at Leonard Millhollands hangar.
Everything is still tentative, and should be firmed up by this weekend.
I will send you the details later
Hans
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From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: fuse step
Date: Mar 06, 2007
Hi guys,
I built a step in my fuse that has a self-closing, spring loaded
faceplate/flap in the fuse side. I placed the entire thing so that when
I place my foot inside, I am stepping on the edge of the seat. It seems
to work very well so far.
Douwe
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Date: Mar 06, 2007
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: videos of 41CC
Oscar.....
DITTOS!
Ken H
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
Glenn wrote-
>Take a short video of the plane (or the ground from the air) some time.
Well, I don't know how to do videos and probably won't mess with it unless a
cinematographer wants to ride along with me and do it. I do better painting
word pictures than making videos, and this airplane sure gives me plenty of
material to paint my pictures with. You get the full effect of all senses
with this airplane, although I must admit that I have yet to catch a bug in
my teeth and engage my sense of taste ;o) There are several splattered on
the windscreens, though.
>Lucky for you, your Piet IS one of the beauty queens.
Honestly, Corky did finish the airplane up very nicely but my objective in
the repairs has not been to maintain it in a meticulous level of finish. I
am reminded that this airplane was conceived and designed by a farm boy,
built on a farm using readily available materials, was intended to operate
out of barnyards and farm fields, and all of this was way before Stits, air
compressors, vinyl graphics, AN hardware, computers, and all the rest of it.
I painted my fabric patches using horsehair brushes working straight out of
the Poly-Tone can, or else I used Rust-Oleum rattle cans from Lowe's if the
color matched close enough. If you approach the airplane any closer than
about 20 ft., you might as well not start looking for flaws because you'll
never stop finding them. It's a clean and simple job but no award winner.
I don't want people to feel like they can't approach or touch it; quite the
contrary, and I don't want to have to cordon it off at fly-ins. If you
don't feel the wood and fabric on this airplane, you never know what a
Pietenpol really is, do you? If things break, I can fix 'em, patch 'em,
paint 'em, or do 'em over. And I sure know how to use a horsehair brush but
a spray gun is a lot of hassle to me.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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From: "Scott Schreiber" <got22b(at)subarubrat.com>
Subject: A.S.S. Does it again
Date: Mar 06, 2007
This is a new one on me, Aircraft Spruce and Specialty sent me an email
today explaining why the bolts I was waiting on to put the last of my
landing gear together didn't show up when I was expecting them at any
moment from what they said at the time the order was placed.
"We have cancelled your backorder due to the low value of goods. If
> you find that you still need these items or any other products, please
> contact us and we will ship the order to you as quickly as possible.
> We look forward to serving you again soon"
On the good side, I did get my fuselage side strut mount parts cut.
-Scott Schreiber
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From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: model A carb heat
Date: Mar 06, 2007
Hi Dan,
I honestly don't know why or even IF this engine NEEDS more carb heat
for some reason than any other engine. I do know that the stock carb is
very prone to icing up. Maybe it's the placement of the carb, or
venturi design, but it will ice up fairly easily. When I interviewed
actual Model A flyers before I decided to go that route, I talked to a
fair number who had experienced icing.
As to HP loss, I would have to image it would be similar to pulling carb
heat on a certified aircraft engine, probably a around 50 rpm drop, and
you're right, you don't really have it to spare!
The usual carb heat fix on a model A works fine. I've seen guys wrap
springs around the front pipe inside the can to slow and heat the air.
Stainless scrubbees work well too, just be sure they can't get sucked
in.
I am using a weber carb on mine, and it'll ice up too. I am using what
seems to be a very slick carb heat system I got from culver prop/valley
engineering. It sounds odd but it has worked for their engines and is
working great on my A which is currently on a test stand. It consists
of a small tube running from the base of an exhaust pipe (I chose my
leanest cylinder) to a hole tapped in the bottom of the carb. The pipe
enters the carb base and is aimed into the primary venturi. The hot gas
heats the venturi and plenum, NOT the intake air so ice won't form on
the metal plenum or venturi because it is being warmed, but the mixture
isn't getting heated air. I was worried about contamination from the
exhaust gasses, but was assured it didn't occur, which has proved to be
the case with mine. No ice, and no rpm drop and no moving parts. So
far, so good.
Don't see why it wouldn't work on a stock A carb, though like I said,
the usual heat box works fine. It also wouldn't be a big deal to
fabricate an on off heat box, though I think you'd find you'd need it on
much of the time, and since it warms the air, it'll rob you of some rpm.
Douwe
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Date: Mar 06, 2007
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: fuse step
Douwe,
Can you send some photos my way or where I can see the modification? All I could
come up with for easy access into the rear cockpit was a folding aluminum
mast step from Marine Supply. It bolts on with three bolts and fold back into
itself for a smooth look.
Ken H.
Douwe Blumberg wrote:
Hi guys,
I built a step in my fuse that has a self-closing, spring loaded faceplate/flap
in the fuse side. I placed the entire thing so that when I place my foot inside,
I am stepping on the edge of the seat. It seems to work very well so far.
Douwe
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Subject: Wing Struts
From: "skellytownflyer" <hanover(at)centramedia.net>
Date: Mar 06, 2007
I have finally gotten home with the new to me project DJ put so much time and effort
into.and hopefully in the near future can start making progress on it.But
I had concerns about using the Aluminum wing struts before Talking to Oscar
Zuniga,and he assured me that both he and others are flying them and doing fine(as
in staying alive I assume) but I did think of an alternate source for streamlined
material.I haven't measurd my old Tri-pacer yet to see if they are long
enough without splicing,but there are many folks flying the old Ragwing Pipers
that have gone to the Univair sealed struts to do away with the repetitive
testing requirement.And they have their old struts laying around and would sell
them hopefully at a reasonable cost.So if anyone thinks they are interested
in getting some I have a friend that is on the Shortwing Piper club sit and can
forward some names.Raymond
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From: "GlennThomas(at)flyingwood.com" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Subject: Re: Wing Struts
Date: Mar 06, 2007
I'm nowhere near that point of construction but I've heard about the cub
wing strut swap-out that a lot of people did (or were required to do). I
think Walt had mentioned that if you poke around there are a lot of old cub
wing struts sitting up in the rafters of hangars. Not sure how they hold up
in storage but I'd be interested in getting a set in airworthy condition if
the price was reasonable.
Thanks,
Glenn W. Thomas
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "skellytownflyer" <hanover(at)centramedia.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Struts
>
>
> I have finally gotten home with the new to me project DJ put so much time
> and effort into.and hopefully in the near future can start making progress
> on it.But I had concerns about using the Aluminum wing struts before
> Talking to Oscar Zuniga,and he assured me that both he and others are
> flying them and doing fine(as in staying alive I assume) but I did think
> of an alternate source for streamlined material.I haven't measurd my old
> Tri-pacer yet to see if they are long enough without splicing,but there
> are many folks flying the old Ragwing Pipers that have gone to the Univair
> sealed struts to do away with the repetitive testing requirement.And they
> have their old struts laying around and would sell them hopefully at a
> reasonable cost.So if anyone thinks they are interested in getting some I
> have a friend that is on the Shortwing Piper club sit and can forward some
> names.Raymond
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99177#99177
>
>
>
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From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Emergency landing: Peter in Australia
Date: Mar 07, 2007
Mike,
I wish the offer was for the use of the O-200, he wants to sell it to me! I
don't think he is a great lover of auto engines in airplanes. Yes, I do get
a decrease in pressure as the temp rises, but only on slow running.
Cheers
Peter.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 March 2007 11:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Emergency landing: Peter in Australia
Glad to hear you landed safely Peter and that you've got an offer on an
0-200 engine. I don't
blame you for switching out to that while you investigate what is
happening with your Corvair.
When your oil temp. on the Corvair starts to rise so high do you get a
corresponding drop in oil
pressure ? We have a GN-1 in our area with a Continental engine and
the owners have tried to
do everything to keep that scenario from happening short of tearing down
the engine. I keep
pointing to either the oil pump or excessive clearances in the bearings.
Mike C.
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9:41 AM
--
3:42 PM
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From: <harvey.rule(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: fuse step
Date: Mar 07, 2007
I like the idea of the self closing flap and I did think of doing that but
the guys I was working with said that it wouldn't make much difference to a
draggy plane like this so I opted out but that placement sounds a might high
for my little legs to reach up to.It does sound like a better place for
strength though since in my case I am putting the weight on the longerone
all the time.
>From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To: "pietenpolgroup"
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuse step
>Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:06:12 -0500
>
>Hi guys,
>
>I built a step in my fuse that has a self-closing, spring loaded
>faceplate/flap in the fuse side. I placed the entire thing so that when I
>place my foot inside, I am stepping on the edge of the seat. It seems to
>work very well so far.
>
>Douwe
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From: <harvey.rule(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: model A carb heat
Date: Mar 07, 2007
The proof of operation will be in actual flight since when we fly we go
through different atmospheres which cause carb icing.Sitting on the ground
doesn't offer the same conditions.Let us know how you make out in flight
especially on a humid day.Sounds like a great system though.I have always
been scared of contamination from the exhaust pipe.One never knows when a
small hole may appear in the bugger and cause some greef.I especially don't
like this when taking cabin heat off for obvious reasons.
>From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To: "pietenpolgroup"
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: model A carb heat
>Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:23:35 -0500
>
>Hi Dan,
>
>I honestly don't know why or even IF this engine NEEDS more carb heat for
>some reason than any other engine. I do know that the stock carb is very
>prone to icing up. Maybe it's the placement of the carb, or venturi
>design, but it will ice up fairly easily. When I interviewed actual Model
>A flyers before I decided to go that route, I talked to a fair number who
>had experienced icing.
>
>As to HP loss, I would have to image it would be similar to pulling carb
>heat on a certified aircraft engine, probably a around 50 rpm drop, and
>you're right, you don't really have it to spare!
>
>The usual carb heat fix on a model A works fine. I've seen guys wrap
>springs around the front pipe inside the can to slow and heat the air.
>Stainless scrubbees work well too, just be sure they can't get sucked in.
>
>I am using a weber carb on mine, and it'll ice up too. I am using what
>seems to be a very slick carb heat system I got from culver prop/valley
>engineering. It sounds odd but it has worked for their engines and is
>working great on my A which is currently on a test stand. It consists of a
>small tube running from the base of an exhaust pipe (I chose my leanest
>cylinder) to a hole tapped in the bottom of the carb. The pipe enters the
>carb base and is aimed into the primary venturi. The hot gas heats the
>venturi and plenum, NOT the intake air so ice won't form on the metal
>plenum or venturi because it is being warmed, but the mixture isn't getting
>heated air. I was worried about contamination from the exhaust gasses, but
>was assured it didn't occur, which has proved to be the case with mine. No
>ice, and no rpm drop and no moving parts. So far, so good.
>
>Don't see why it wouldn't work on a stock A carb, though like I said, the
>usual heat box works fine. It also wouldn't be a big deal to fabricate an
>on off heat box, though I think you'd find you'd need it on much of the
>time, and since it warms the air, it'll rob you of some rpm.
>
>Douwe
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From: Pietsrneat(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 07, 2007
Subject: Re: fuse step
In a message dated 3/7/2007 7:02:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
harvey.rule(at)sympatico.ca writes:
I like the idea of the self closing flap and I did think of doing that but
the guys I was working with said that it wouldn't make much difference to a
draggy plane like this so I opted out but that placement sounds a might high
for my little legs to reach up to.It does sound like a better place for
strength though since in my case I am putting the weight on the longerone
all the time.
I put that type of flap on a miniMAX. Same deal...draggy and slow ship. It
was more a matter of aesthetics. Looks a little better than a hole in the side
of the aircraft.
Ron
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Subject: Continental A65 Parts
Date: Mar 07, 2007
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com>
Hi Pieters,
I need some help for a friend at my home airport. He has a J-3 Cub with
an A65 Continental and he has managed to damage one of the cam
followers. He needs to replace it but hasn't been able to find a single
cam follower without the accompanying hydraulic lifter assembly, and the
total assembly sells for $240. Does anyone out there have a cam
follower they would be willing to sell? Or any clues as to where he can
go to find one?
Thanks,
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Date: Mar 07, 2007
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Continental A65 Parts
He might want to try Fresno Airparts. I have an old scanned copy of
their ad that runs monthly in the front of Trade-a-plane that lists a
cam follower part #21608 for $67.50. Of course if someone has a used one
laying around that would be cheaper. Fresno airparts phone # is 559-237-4863
Ben Charvet
Phillips, Jack wrote:
> Hi Pieters,
>
> I need some help for a friend at my home airport. He has a J-3 Cub
> with an A65 Continental and he has managed to damage one of the cam
> followers. He needs to replace it but hasnt been able to find a
> single cam follower without the accompanying hydraulic lifter
> assembly, and the total assembly sells for $240. Does anyone out there
> have a cam follower they would be willing to sell? Or any clues as to
> where he can go to find one?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jack Phillips
>
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Subject: tappet bodies/cam follower possible source: Dallas, Texas
Date: Mar 07, 2007
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Jack,
I had excellent service from this place on my A-65 overhaul part
service. I would have your friend give them a call and ask to talk to
one of the
guys in the shop----they have (or used to) every Continental part on the
books and most likely could give him a price and ship something out
quickly. http://www.aea-precision.com/
Aircraft Engine and Accessory Company, Inc.
2275 Crown Road Dallas, TX 75229-2007
Tel: 972.243.7404 | 800.808.5908 | Fax: 972.243.3806
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 07, 2007
Subject: Re: model A carb heat
Douwe,
Why did you decide to go with the weber carb? And what model are you using?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" <M.Silvius(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: fuse step
Date: Mar 07, 2007
I'd think a telescoping tube with an internal bunge to keep it retracted
would be quite easy to execute.
Pull on it and set your foot on it, as soon as you step off it retracts.
I believe these are photos I pilfered of DJ's page for my neat ideas folder.
if made a bit loger it might stand up better to abuse.
michael silvius, scarborough, maine
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Subject: fuse step
Date: Mar 07, 2007
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com>
Pretty cool, Michael. One observation: How do you retract it once you
are sitting in the cockpit? Can you reach it while sitting in the seat?
If so, then I guess it also will not be a problem to extend it before
trying to get out of the cockpit.
I've got a fixed step on mine, and really like it. I can't easily see
it when leaving the cockpit but just swing my leg down and feel for it
with my foot.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MICHAEL
SILVIUS
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuse step
I'd think a telescoping tube with an internal bunge to keep it retracted
would be quite easy to execute.
Pull on it and set your foot on it, as soon as you step off it retracts.
I believe these are photos I pilfered of DJ's page for my neat ideas
folder.
if made a bit loger it might stand up better to abuse.
michael silvius, scarborough, maine
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From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Southwest Regional Fly-In at Hondo, TX
Date: Mar 07, 2007
You bet I will have 41CC at SWRFI this year. The last couple of years I
have worked as a volunteer with EAA 35 driving trams between the parking
areas and flight line and have driven back and forth from home. I vowed to
fly in this year and I'll once again be driving a tram on Saturday of the
fly-in. Complete details about SWRFI are on the web at
http://www.swrfi.org/
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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From: <harvey.rule(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: fuse step
Date: Mar 07, 2007
I like the look of that too.Maybe I'll put something like that at the front
seat for ease of access when I want to work around that area.I'm always
grabbing a chair and trying to move between the cables and fusy and I get
hung up on stuff all the time.The chair is always in the way even though it
gives me the height I need and then theres the problem of trying to get out,
once in.This appears to be a great solution to this problem.It might even be
a good idea to put one on the other side of the back seat so when I'm being
chased by the Hun and I have to get in quick,I can do it from either side
eh!Thanks for these pics.
>From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" <M.Silvius(at)worldnet.att.net>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuse step
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:22:11 -0500
>
>I'd think a telescoping tube with an internal bunge to keep it retracted
>would be quite easy to execute.
>Pull on it and set your foot on it, as soon as you step off it retracts.
>
>I believe these are photos I pilfered of DJ's page for my neat ideas
>folder.
>
>if made a bit loger it might stand up better to abuse.
>
>michael silvius, scarborough, maine
><< step-extended.jpg >>
><< step-1.jpg >>
><< step-2.jpg >>
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From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" <M.Silvius(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: fuse step
Date: Mar 07, 2007
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com>
> How do you retract it once you
> are sitting in the cockpit?
I am thinking a bungee or spring so that it is positively loaded for
retraction as soon as you remove your weight from it, but I am only passing
on the idea from other sources as I am not the one that came up with it. I
leave the details to be worked out by the smart ones of this group. ;-) On
the other hand if it were placed in the cockpit area, the inner workings
could be accessed from the seated position to extend or retract as needed. I
think I would definetily make the fixed part longer to provide more support.
michael silvius
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From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" <M.Silvius(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: fuse step
Date: Mar 07, 2007
Cant remember if this picture had been posted yet but here is how G-ARDA has
it in the UK.
someone could likey figure a spring loaded door for it hinged on the inner
edge of the longeron, or the top of the cut out so that you dont stand on
said door, but I dont know how much diference it realy would make dragwise
to have it open. Just to keep the cool breze out might be worth the trouble.
michael
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Subject: registration
From: "skellytownflyer" <hanover(at)centramedia.net>
Date: Mar 07, 2007
I am ready to send off for an N-number so as to not be too far behind the power
curve whn the time comes.And I called the EAA to request a Certification kit
like my DAR suggested,they asked me whether I wanted to go Light Sport or conventional
Ex/AB.I didn't know they would have a different packet-does anybody know
of a good reason to not go LSA ? I cannot see it exceeding any of the limitations
unless it was cruise speed. :
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99327#99327
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From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Continental A65 Parts
Date: Mar 07, 2007
Continental A65 PartsHi Jack,
Rick Romans Inc. at 918-835-1311 should be able to fix him up.
Gene
PS Haven't seen a report on your new prop yet. I ordered a 74X38 from
Ed Struba. Should be getting it next week but of course won't be able
to try it until I finish with my engine.
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: Pietenpol-List
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A65 Parts
Hi Pieters,
I need some help for a friend at my home airport. He has a J-3 Cub
with an A65 Continental and he has managed to damage one of the cam
followers. He needs to replace it but hasn't been able to find a single
cam follower without the accompanying hydraulic lifter assembly, and the
total assembly sells for $240. Does anyone out there have a cam
follower they would be willing to sell? Or any clues as to where he can
go to find one?
Thanks,
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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