Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-fw
May 17, 2007 - June 13, 2007
DALLAS State TEXAS Zip Code 75200 County DALLAS Country
UNITED STATES
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Airworthiness
Engine Manufacturer CONT MOTOR Classification None Engine
Model C85 SERIES A/W Date None
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Other Owner Names
None
---------------------------------
Temporary Certificate
None
---------------------------------
Fuel Modifications
None
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According to FAA, it (being the number) has not been registered for several (many)
years. All the searching I have done to this point hits a dead end. Hence
the principle of the matter, time investigating, and resultant questions.....Does
the FAA just let this number hang in space forever? Can or IS there any
way to find out how has the airplane to ask for transfer of registration number?
Is there any other methods one can suggest?
In closing, I know I can just apply for another number. I just find it somewhat
dumb if these registered numbers become "limbo" for years when they could be
utilized. Or.....maybe I just don't get it!
Ken Heide
Fargo,ND
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| From: | "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: N-number assistance......... |
When I applied for a number, it was just my Mentor's initials at the
end, and I asked for any numbers in the middle available.
Now I fly NX140DL.
It's really up to you if you want to persue your number.
To me, you should just go for flying.
Good Luck!
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
To: Pietenpol
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 5:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: N-number assistance.........
Members of the list:
I recently logged onto the FAA's inquiry web page to research an
N-number I would like to have on my Pietenpol. The n-number is 1963K.
Upon further searching.....it comes back:
This aircraft's registration status may not be suitable for
operation.
Please contact the Aircraft Registration Branch at
1-866-762-9434 for additional information.
Upon further research I find this number registered to this company:
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N1963K is Assigned
Aircraft Description
Serial Number 4690 Type Registration Corporation
Manufacturer Name LUSCOMBE Certificate Issue Date None
Model 8A Status Revoked
Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Single-Engine Type Engine
Reciprocating
Pending Number Change None Dealer No
Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code 50300500
MFR Year 1947 Fractional Owner NO
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Registered Owner
Name INDEPENDENT DRILLING CO
Street 1114 INSUROMEDIC
City DALLAS State TEXAS Zip Code 75200
County DALLAS
Country UNITED STATES
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Airworthiness
Engine Manufacturer CONT MOTOR Classification None
Engine Model C85 SERIES
A/W Date None
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Other Owner Names
None
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Temporary Certificate
None
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Fuel Modifications
None
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
According to FAA, it (being the number) has not been registered for
several (many) years. All the searching I have done to this point hits a
dead end. Hence the principle of the matter, time investigating, and
resultant questions.....Does the FAA just let this number hang in space
forever? Can or IS there any way to find out how has the airplane to ask
for transfer of registration number? Is there any other methods one can
suggest?
In closing, I know I can just apply for another number. I just find it
somewhat dumb if these registered numbers become "limbo" for years when
they could be utilized. Or.....maybe I just don't get it!
Ken Heide
Fargo,ND
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| From: | John Egan <johnegan99(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Nicropress connections |
Hello all,
I'm starting to make control cable connections and have some questions to make
sure I understand this completly.
Regarding nicropress connections -
1. Do we always crimp the sleeves three times as the Tony Bengilis book shows?
A sleeve for 3/32" cable seems to be a little short to get three nice looking
crimps.
2. What kind of sleeve (material) should be used with stainless steel cable
and what kind of sleeve should be used with galvanized cable?
Thank you all, and any other related tips are appreciated.
John
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| Subject: | Nicropress connections |
| From: | <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca> |
I used three crimps everytime and I used stainless steel for crimps for
everything.Be careful when you pick the crimp up if it feels light it
could be aluminum.Don't use aluminum ever.I bought all mine at a marine
shop.
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Egan
Sent: May 18, 2007 8:10 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nicropress connections
Hello all,
I'm starting to make control cable connections and have some questions
to make sure I understand this completly.
Regarding nicropress connections -
1. Do we always crimp the sleeves three times as the Tony Bengilis book
shows? A sleeve for 3/32" cable seems to be a little short to get three
nice looking crimps.
2. What kind of sleeve (material) should be used with stainless steel
cable and what kind of sleeve should be used with galvanized cable?
Thank you all, and any other related tips are appreciated.
John
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| From: | John Egan <johnegan99(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Nicropress connections |
Thanks Harvey. I also found some archived information under "hardware" that explains
to use zinc coated sleeves with stainless cable and copper sleeves with
galvanized cable.
I'll crimp three times on all these sleeves, and I'll make sure not to use aluminum.
harvey.rule(at)bell.ca wrote:
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w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
I used three crimps everytime and I used stainless steel for crimps
for everything.Be careful when you pick the crimp up if it feels light it could
be aluminum.Dont use aluminum ever.I bought all mine at a marine shop.
---------------------------------
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan
Sent: May 18, 2007 8:10 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nicropress connections
Hello all,
I'm starting to make control cable connections and have some questions to make
sure I understand this completly.
Regarding nicropress connections -
1. Do we always crimp the sleeves three times as the Tony Bengilis book shows?
A sleeve for 3/32" cable seems to be a little short to get three nice looking
crimps.
2. What kind of sleeve (material) should be used with stainless steel cable
and what kind of sleeve should be used with galvanized cable?
Thank you all, and any other related tips are appreciated.
John
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| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | nicopress connections |
>From the Wicks catalog (same as Aircraft Spruce)-
"Use zinc and tin plated copper with stainless cable, copper with galvanized
cable"
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_cat.php/subid=530/index.html
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Nicropress connections |
| From: | hvandervoo(at)aol.com |
John
3/32 two crimps
1/8 and larger three crimps
Hans
Controlling Your Aircraft
Sport Aviation - 5/98
By Ron Alexander
----
Make the necessary compressions of the sleeve as shown in Figure 6. Cables larger
than 3/32inch diameter must have 3 compressions done in the sequence presented.
The first compression is made in the center followed by a compression next
to the sleeve. ------
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Felix back flying |
Nice work Skip, hope your house is also coming along well. Looking forward
to seeing you, your wife and Felix at Broadhead. By the way, where did the
name Felix come from? Wasn't he a cat or something?
Rick
On 5/13/07, Don Emch wrote:
>
>
> Skip,
> Great news! I was just wondering a few days ago how you made out with
> Felix. I hope you enjoy it! I really hope to see you at Brodhead with
> it. I plan to fly mine up.
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=112671#112671
>
>
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Nicropress connections, and propper hardware |
Remember to use plain copper sleeves (copper colored) with galvanized cable, and
use nickkle plated (silver colored) sleeves with stainless cable. This is to
prevent failure due to galvanic (dis-simmilar metal) corrsion. There is a note
in the wicks catalog about this I believe, but is easy to miss. I looked
it up in AC43-13 and it is VERY easy to miss in there, It's just an astrix with
a small foot note. I think this is a widely unknown fact, as after discovering
this, I have seen a dozzen certified aircraft with the "wrong" nicopress sleeves
on there control cables, and these aircraft are suposedly inspected by an
I.A. every year. Big deal?? I don't know, but better safe than sorry.
Shad
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| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Nicropress connections, and propper hardware |
I don't doubt what many of you have said is the right spec., but I sure wonder
about the spec. itself-- the part about copper sleeves with the galvanized cable.
Won't galvanic action take place between the zinc in the galvanized coating
and the copper sleeve?
Nickel plate on S.S. should be fine, as stated, for there is nickel in stainless,
and stainless is also far more chemically inactive than zinc, too.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
>Sent: May 18, 2007 8:58 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicropress connections, and propper hardware
>
>Remember to use plain copper sleeves (copper colored) with galvanized cable, and
use nickkle plated (silver colored) sleeves with stainless cable. This is
to prevent failure due to galvanic (dis-simmilar metal) corrsion. There is a
note in the wicks catalog about this I believe, but is easy to miss. I looked
it up in AC43-13 and it is VERY easy to miss in there, It's just an astrix with
a small foot note. I think this is a widely unknown fact, as after discovering
this, I have seen a dozzen certified aircraft with the "wrong" nicopress sleeves
on there control cables, and these aircraft are suposedly inspected by
an I.A. every year. Big deal?? I don't know, but better safe than sorry.
>
> Shad
>
>
>
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| From: | "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Felix back flying |
Thanks Rick. The house is great, in fact we have actually moved in, kind of nice
after living in a motor home and travel trailer for almost 3 years!
Felix is the name of the guy I bought the plane from. He painted a picture of a
cat on the tail. I figure the way I fly, a plane with 9 lives is not all bad.
;)
See you at Brodhead,
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
Sent: 5/18/2007 10:52:40 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Felix back flying
Nice work Skip, hope your house is also coming along well. Looking forward to seeing
you, your wife and Felix at Broadhead. By the way, where did the name Felix
come from? Wasn't he a cat or something?
Rick
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Felix back flying |
Forgot to send this picture with my reply.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
Sent: 5/18/2007 10:52:40 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Felix back flying
Nice work Skip, hope your house is also coming along well. Looking forward to seeing
you, your wife and Felix at Broadhead. By the way, where did the name Felix
come from? Wasn't he a cat or something?
Rick
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "baileys" <baileys(at)ktis.net> |
| Subject: | Felix off topic response |
Years ago there was a comic strip called Felix the Cat and it looked
pretty much the same as the picture.
You can file this under "information I'll never need."
Bob B.
----- Original Message -----
From: Skip Gadd
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Felix back flying
Thanks Rick. The house is great, in fact we have actually moved in,
kind of nice after living in a motor home and travel trailer for almost
3 years!
Felix is the name of the guy I bought the plane from. He painted a
picture of a cat on the tail. I figure the way I fly, a plane with 9
lives is not all bad. ;)
See you at Brodhead,
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: 5/18/2007 10:52:40 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Felix back flying
Nice work Skip, hope your house is also coming along well. Looking
forward to seeing you, your wife and Felix at Broadhead. By the way,
where did the name Felix come from? Wasn't he a cat or something?
Rick
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Felix back flying |
Ha! That's Felix the Cat alright.
http://www.everwonder.com/david/felixthecat/
http://www.felixthecat.com/history2.htm
Ah, the good old days. :-)
Clif
By the way, where did the name Felix come from? Wasn't he a cat or
something?
Rick
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Verthein <minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: N-number assistance......... |
My best guess is..the number is assigned to a plane that presently does
not have an airworthiness certificate.
I'm a long way from being an expert, but I have done a lot of N number
looking over the years as I take a lot of plane photos and then look up
the details on the aircraft/owner to go with the photos. I've also
looked up the status of all the planes my Dad has flown, based on his
logbooks going back to 1949. Planes that are no longer flyable still
have their numbers as long as they continue to exist. After all,
historically, someone, somewhere may need to track down that plane for
whatever reason. Generally the numbers seem to stay with the planes
unless the owner takes whatever steps are necessary to change it, and
in reality there seem to be few reasons to bother doing that.
What that FAA page is telling you is that the number is assigned to a
plane, and that that plane is probably not in flyable condition. There
could be a zillion reasons for this. The owner may be just holding on
to the plane waiting to restore it, it could be in restoration process
right now, it could be a wreck the owner decided to save. I could be
just sitting on a ramp someplace rotting away. The possibilities are
almost endless.
I would say, if you really, really REALLY insist on trying to get that
number, contact the listed owner and find out what's up. If nothing
else, you'd at least know.
There were many many numbers I liked. I tried many combinations before
hitting on ones available, then reserved my numbers, for two different
planes. It costs $10 to reserve a number, and $10 a year to keep it
saved until you get it on a plane and get it registered. I know
someday I'll be flying NX3746, and it's gonna cost me $10 a year till
the plane is done and registered to keep that number!
Tim in Bovey
==
You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor!
==
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ralph" <ralphhsd(at)itctel.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Nicropress connectionsNicropress connections |
I have frequently read warnings about using aluminum sleeves for crimping.
Why are they a problem? Is it the potential for chemical reactions or a
strength issue or something I don't know about?
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Nicropress connectionsNicropress connections |
| From: | <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca> |
I believe it's a strength issue as well as potential for coming loose
due to vibration.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: May 18, 2007 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicropress connectionsNicropress
connections
I have frequently read warnings about using aluminum sleeves for
crimping.
Why are they a problem? Is it the potential for chemical reactions or a
strength issue or something I don't know about?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RBush96589(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | john deere alternator |
hello all,
can any of you guys using the john deere alternator and regulator on the
corviar tell me how i should wire it? the alternator has a two wire plug and
the regulator has five lugs on it.
Thanks,
Robert Bush
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au> |
| Subject: | john deere alternator |
Robert,
Check out Mark Langford's site
(http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/dynamo.html)
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RBush96589(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, 21 May 2007 12:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: john deere alternator
hello all,
can any of you guys using the john deere alternator and regulator on the
corviar tell me how i should wire it? the alternator has a two wire plug and
the regulator has five lugs on it.
Thanks,
Robert Bush
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Don't forget to pause for a moment and think aboult "Slim" Lindbergh's flight 80
years ago! He made it, by golly!
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
-----Original Message-----
From: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Mon, 21 May 2007 1:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 05/20/07
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1. 06:45 AM - Re: N-number assistance......... (Tim Verthein)
2. 06:03 PM - Re: Nicropress connectionsNicropress connections (Ralph)
3. 06:27 PM - Re: Nicropress connectionsNicropress connections ()
4. 07:44 PM - john deere alternator (RBush96589(at)aol.com)
5. 08:01 PM - Re: john deere alternator (Peter W Johnson)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
From: Tim Verthein <minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: N-number assistance.........
My best guess is..the number is assigned to a plane that presently does
not have an airworthiness certificate.
I'm a long way from being an expert, but I have done a lot of N number
looking over the years as I take a lot of plane photos and then look up
the details on the aircraft/owner to go with the photos. I've also
looked up the status of all the planes my Dad has flown, based on his
logbooks going back to 1949. Planes that are no longer flyable still
have their numbers as long as they continue to exist. After all,
historically, someone, somewhere may need to track down that plane for
whatever reason. Generally the numbers seem to stay with the planes
unless the owner takes whatever steps are necessary to change it, and
in reality there seem to be few reasons to bother doing that.
What that FAA page is telling you is that the number is assigned to a
plane, and that that plane is probably not in flyable condition. There
could be a zillion reasons for this. The owner may be just holding on
to the plane waiting to restore it, it could be in restoration process
right now, it could be a wreck the owner decided to save. I could be
just sitting on a ramp someplace rotting away. The possibilities are
almost endless.
I would say, if you really, really REALLY insist on trying to get that
number, contact the listed owner and find out what's up. If nothing
else, you'd at least know.
There were many many numbers I liked. I tried many combinations before
hitting on ones available, then reserved my numbers, for two different
planes. It costs $10 to reserve a number, and $10 a year to keep it
saved until you get it on a plane and get it registered. I know
someday I'll be flying NX3746, and it's gonna cost me $10 a year till
the plane is done and registered to keep that number!
Tim in Bovey
=
You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor!
=
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
From: "Ralph" <ralphhsd(at)itctel.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicropress connectionsNicropress connections
I have frequently read warnings about using aluminum sleeves for crimping.
Why are they a problem? Is it the potential for chemical reactions or a
strength issue or something I don't know about?
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Nicropress connectionsNicropress connections
From: <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca>
I believe it's a strength issue as well as potential for coming loose
due to vibration.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: May 18, 2007 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicropress connectionsNicropress
connections
I have frequently read warnings about using aluminum sleeves for
crimping.
Why are they a problem? Is it the potential for chemical reactions or a
strength issue or something I don't know about?
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
From: RBush96589(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: john deere alternator
hello all,
can any of you guys using the john deere alternator and regulator on the
corviar tell me how i should wire it? the alternator has a two wire plug and
the regulator has five lugs on it.
Thanks,
Robert Bush
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: john deere alternator
Robert,
Check out Mark Langford's site
(http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/dynamo.html)
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RBush96589(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, 21 May 2007 12:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: john deere alternator
hello all,
can any of you guys using the john deere alternator and regulator on the
corviar tell me how i should wire it? the alternator has a two wire plug and
the regulator has five lugs on it.
Thanks,
Robert Bush
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________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RBush96589(at)aol.com |
thanks Peter just talked to William Wynne and he recommends the same thing
Robert Bush
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Scott Schreiber" <got22b(at)subarubrat.com> |
| Subject: | Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, |
and a $10 cap strip steamer
I am pretty much settled on ordering the streamline 4130 and fabbing up
the lift struts. After hours of web and archive searching I have found
not one reference to the wall thickness. It comes in .049 and .058 in
the correct size. The .058 comes at a weight and cost penalty. What did
you choose?
Second question, trailing and leading edge. I see that many have used
doug fir banister and flooring. Since this isn't a load carying member
in the way that the spars are do the normal grading and selection
processes apply here? I can't imagine scrutinizing a stair railing the
way you would sitka spruce for a spar or longeron. Is it as simple as
hitting Lowes or home depot and picking the right size?
And finally a chance to contribute, here is my $10 cap strip steamer. I
have used it for years with model airplanes. Walmart sells the teapot
for $5 and the plumbing pipe and adapter were about $5 on their own. The
capstrip for the rib top slips in just fine and is ready in 15 min. It
can be used on a hot plate or stove top.
-Scott
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, |
and a $10 cap strip steamer
| From: | "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com> |
Hi Scott,
I wish I had just built up my struts from new streamline tubing. I used
J-3 Lift struts and had to do quite a bit of work to get them ready. I
would use the .049" wall - that is plenty. The J-3 struts are only
.035" wall as I recall, and they are 1018 steel, not 4130.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Schreiber
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge
questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer
I am pretty much settled on ordering the streamline 4130 and fabbing up
the lift struts. After hours of web and archive searching I have found
not one reference to the wall thickness. It comes in .049 and .058 in
the correct size. The .058 comes at a weight and cost penalty. What did
you choose?
Second question, trailing and leading edge. I see that many have used
doug fir banister and flooring. Since this isn't a load carying member
in the way that the spars are do the normal grading and selection
processes apply here? I can't imagine scrutinizing a stair railing the
way you would sitka spruce for a spar or longeron. Is it as simple as
hitting Lowes or home depot and picking the right size?
And finally a chance to contribute, here is my $10 cap strip steamer. I
have used it for years with model airplanes. Walmart sells the teapot
for $5 and the plumbing pipe and adapter were about $5 on their own. The
capstrip for the rib top slips in just fine and is ready in 15 min. It
can be used on a hot plate or stove top.
-Scott
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| Subject: | strut wall thickness |
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Scott,
I second Jack's observations and here is a sketch of the streamline
tubing that I used. I ordered new from Dillsburg Aero in PA and
ordered
threaded barrel inserts (that I welded in each bottom end) for all four
strut ends. I had been given some older J-3 strut fork ends and had
them magnafluxed prior to
using them.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roman Bukolt" <conceptmodels(at)tds.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, |
and a $10 cap strip steamer
Wing Struts SAE1020 1.78 x 1.06 x .049 $5.99/ft. Wag Aero
1-800-558-6868 Lyons, Wi.
Bill Rewey says they're plenty strong enough and he should know.
Roman Bukolt NX20795
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing
edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer
I am pretty much settled on ordering the streamline 4130 and fabbing
up the lift struts. After hours of web and archive searching I have
found not one reference to the wall thickness. It comes in .049 and .058
in the correct size. The .058 comes at a weight and cost penalty. What
did you choose?
Second question, trailing and leading edge. I see that many have used
doug fir banister and flooring. Since this isn't a load carying member
in the way that the spars are do the normal grading and selection
processes apply here? I can't imagine scrutinizing a stair railing the
way you would sitka spruce for a spar or longeron. Is it as simple as
hitting Lowes or home depot and picking the right size?
And finally a chance to contribute, here is my $10 cap strip steamer.
I have used it for years with model airplanes. Walmart sells the teapot
for $5 and the plumbing pipe and adapter were about $5 on their own. The
capstrip for the rib top slips in just fine and is ready in 15 min. It
can be used on a hot plate or stove top.
-Scott
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
Pieters, Here I go again butting in on your conversations but wanted to add
a few thoughts on the lift struts.
Option 1
Two 1/4 in pieces of spruce with a piece of 1/4 in marine or exterior
plywood sandwiched in between. I saw this on a Piet from Ohio at Brodhead and
was
impressed. He used the same materials for the cabanes.
Option 2
Round tubing of appropriate strength streamlined with balsa and wrapped with
fabric. Ala Sprirt of St Louis.
Corky in nice cool Louisiana
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| From: | "Scott Schreiber" <got22b(at)subarubrat.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, |
and a $10 cap strip steamer
While the price is certainly an eye opener I haven't heard this
particular one brought up before. I will have to do some reading on that
one this evening.
Any thoughts on the LE and TE materials?
-Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: Roman Bukolt
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Strut wall thickness, leading and
trailing edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer
Wing Struts SAE1020 1.78 x 1.06 x .049 $5.99/ft. Wag Aero
1-800-558-6868 Lyons, Wi.
Bill Rewey says they're plenty strong enough and he should know.
Roman Bukolt NX20795
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing
edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer
I am pretty much settled on ordering the streamline 4130 and fabbing
up the lift struts. After hours of web and archive searching I have
found not one reference to the wall thickness. It comes in .049 and .058
in the correct size. The .058 comes at a weight and cost penalty. What
did you choose?
Second question, trailing and leading edge. I see that many have
used doug fir banister and flooring. Since this isn't a load carying
member in the way that the spars are do the normal grading and selection
processes apply here? I can't imagine scrutinizing a stair railing the
way you would sitka spruce for a spar or longeron. Is it as simple as
hitting Lowes or home depot and picking the right size?
And finally a chance to contribute, here is my $10 cap strip
steamer. I have used it for years with model airplanes. Walmart sells
the teapot for $5 and the plumbing pipe and adapter were about $5 on
their own. The capstrip for the rib top slips in just fine and is ready
in 15 min. It can be used on a hot plate or stove top.
-Scott
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
Check out this Piet on ebay, looks like the only suspension is tires.
Skip
skipgadd(at)earthlink.net
EarthLink Revolves Around You.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Egan <johnegan99(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello group,
I'd like to get some feedback on what the bolt size and type is to hold the spoked
wheels onto the straight axle? There seems to be two preferred methods
to retain the wheels:
1. Threaded Castle Nut
2. A single bolt through a retaining collar
Regarding the retaining collar and bolt method, is a 1/4 bolt sufficient in size
and is it a typical "AN-" bolt?
I do not find this subject in the archives yet, and I am not sure on the bolt
size by looking at all the helpful photograghs that people share.
Thanks all,
John
in Wisconsin
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| From: | "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
Maybe I should send the link!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1974-PIETENPOL-AIRCAMPER_W0QQitemZ160118785101QQihZ006QQcategoryZ63679QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
----- Original Message -----
From: Skip Gadd
Sent: 5/22/2007 9:38:19 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet on ebay
Check out this Piet on ebay, looks like the only suspension is tires.
Skip
skipgadd(at)earthlink.net
EarthLink Revolves Around You.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com> |
Hi John,
As with most questions on the best way to do things, I would say "It
depends."
If you are just using a simple bushing for your wheel bearings, a bolted
collar is fine. An AN4 bolt should be more than adequate to resist any
side loads (the Pietenpol has a built-in mechanism to prevent side loads
from getting too great on the landing gear. It is called the "Ground
Loop").
If you are using tapered roller bearings (I used a set of bearings from
some old Goodyear wheels I found lying around the hangar) you need to be
able to pre-load the bearings with some axial force. You won't be able
to do that with a bolted collar and will need a threaded castle nut with
a cotter pin to hold the nut in place. This then requires that you
thread your axle, which is not the easiest process. On my first axle, I
used a die with a hand wrench to thread the axle and got the threads a
little crooked. When I rebuilt the axle, I had a machine shop turn the
threads on a lathe and that worked much better. The thread is
UNF-1-1/2-16.
Good luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Egan
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: axle bolt
Hello group,
I'd like to get some feedback on what the bolt size and type is to hold
the spoked wheels onto the straight axle? There seems to be two
preferred methods to retain the wheels:
1=2E Threaded Castle Nut
2=2E A single bolt through a retaining collar
Regarding the retaining collar and bolt method, is a 1/4 bolt sufficient
in size and is it a typical "AN-" bolt?
I do not find this subject in the archives yet, and I am not sure on the
bolt size by looking at all the helpful photograghs that people share.
Thanks all,
John
in Wisconsin
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| From: | <bike.mike(at)charter.net> |
Skip, et al,
Does anyone have knowledge of this airplane or have an idea what caused the damage
to the left front cylinder?
Obviously, without logs, this engine is a core waiting for overhaul, but it would
be good to know some of its history.
I would also want to check out the fuselage very carefully at the landing gear
mounts. A rigid gear can transfer a lot of shock loads to the fuselage.
Mike Hardaway
---- Skip Gadd wrote:
> Maybe I should send the link!
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1974-PIETENPOL-AIRCAMPER_W0QQitemZ160118785101QQihZ006QQcategoryZ63679QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Skip Gadd
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: 5/22/2007 9:38:19 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet on ebay
>
>
> Check out this Piet on ebay, looks like the only suspension is tires.
> Skip
>
>
> skipgadd(at)earthlink.net
> EarthLink Revolves Around You.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
John
Either way would work fine. Drilling for an AN-4 would definetly be
faster and easier. If you know someone with a dye set for that size,
you would be able to adjust without adding too many washers. I happen
to have an 1 1/4" and 1 1 1/2" dye if you are close to St. Paul, Mn.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Egan
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: axle bolt
Hello group,
I'd like to get some feedback on what the bolt size and type is to
hold the spoked wheels onto the straight axle? There seems to be two
preferred methods to retain the wheels:
1. Threaded Castle Nut
2. A single bolt through a retaining collar
Regarding the retaining collar and bolt method, is a 1/4 bolt
sufficient in size and is it a typical "AN-" bolt?
I do not find this subject in the archives yet, and I am not sure on
the bolt size by looking at all the helpful photograghs that people
share.
Thanks all,
John
in Wisconsin
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| From: | Ryan Michalkiewicz <mskybolt(at)yahoo.com> |
Does everyone carry insurance on their aircraft. Is it more expensive or more difficult
to obtain it having an auto engine than having a certified engine equipt
plane? Is it necessary?
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| From: | "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
I have $1,000,000 liability and $9,000 hull for a total of $1,300 per
year.
dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Michalkiewicz
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Insurance
Does everyone carry insurance on their aircraft. Is it more expensive
or more difficult to obtain it having an auto engine than having a
certified engine equipt plane? Is it necessary?
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net> |
When I was buying insurance for my Baby Ace I asked about auto
conversions for the Piet.
Avemco was the cheapest for the Baby Ace (Continental A-75) and insured
me for just liability $1 mil for around $600/year. They take in to
consideration how many hours you have logged as a pilot and how many
tailwheel hours you have. I asked about my Piet project, as I was
planning to use a Corvair, but they wouldn't write that policy. The EAA
folks wouldn't insure me in anything because I only had around 100 hours
flight time and was still working on my tailwheel endorsement. They
wanted at least 125 hours and 25 hours of tailwheel time. If you call
around the companies will tell you what auto conversions they will
cover. For those of you out there building and not flying, the
insurance companies like to see recent hours flown, and a tailwheel
endorsement will be necessary. I've heard that William Wynn knows how
to get insurance on a Corvair, but I never checked that option out. I
really liked the idea of a Continental and shifted my focus.
Continental parts are definitely more expensive though!
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Ryan Michalkiewicz wrote:
> Does everyone carry insurance on their aircraft. Is it more expensive
> or more difficult to obtain it having an auto engine than having a
> certified engine equipt plane? Is it necessary?
>
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| From: | "Graham and Robyn" <grhewitt(at)globaldial.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 05/23/07 |
on ebay ()
5. 06:27 PM - Re: axle bolt (Dick Navratil)
6. 06:56 PM - Insurance (Ryan Michalkiewicz)
7. 07:08 PM - Re: Insurance (Dick Navratil)
8. 07:35 PM - Re: Insurance (Ben Charvet)
________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
From: John Egan <johnegan99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: axle bolt
Hello group,
I'd like to get some feedback on what the bolt size and type is to
hold the spoked
wheels onto the straight axle? There seems to be two preferred methods
to retain the wheels:
1. Threaded Castle Nut
2. A single bolt through a retaining collar
Regarding the retaining collar and bolt method, is a 1/4 bolt
sufficient in size
and is it a typical "AN-" bolt?
I do not find this subject in the archives yet, and I am not sure on
the bolt
size by looking at all the helpful photograghs that people share.
Thanks all,
John
in Wisconsin
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________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet on ebay
Maybe I should send the link!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1974-PIETENPOL-AIRCAMPER_W0QQitemZ1601187
85101QQihZ006QQcategoryZ63679QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
----- Original Message -----
From: Skip Gadd
Sent: 5/22/2007 9:38:19 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet on ebay
Check out this Piet on ebay, looks like the only suspension is tires.
Skip
skipgadd(at)earthlink.net
EarthLink Revolves Around You.
________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: axle bolt
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com>
Hi John,
As with most questions on the best way to do things, I would say "It
depends."
If you are just using a simple bushing for your wheel bearings, a bolted
collar is fine. An AN4 bolt should be more than adequate to resist any
side loads (the Pietenpol has a built-in mechanism to prevent side loads
from getting too great on the landing gear. It is called the "Ground
Loop").
If you are using tapered roller bearings (I used a set of bearings from
some old Goodyear wheels I found lying around the hangar) you need to be
able to pre-load the bearings with some axial force. You won't be able
to do that with a bolted collar and will need a threaded castle nut with
a cotter pin to hold the nut in place. This then requires that you
thread your axle, which is not the easiest process. On my first axle, I
used a die with a hand wrench to thread the axle and got the threads a
little crooked. When I rebuilt the axle, I had a machine shop turn the
threads on a lathe and that worked much better. The thread is
UNF-1-1/2-16.
Good luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Egan
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: axle bolt
Hello group,
I'd like to get some feedback on what the bolt size and type is to hold
the spoked wheels onto the straight axle? There seems to be two
preferred methods to retain the wheels:
1=2E Threaded Castle Nut
2=2E A single bolt through a retaining collar
Regarding the retaining collar and bolt method, is a 1/4 bolt sufficient
in size and is it a typical "AN-" bolt?
I do not find this subject in the archives yet, and I am not sure on the
bolt size by looking at all the helpful photograghs that people share.
Thanks all,
John
in Wisconsin
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________________________________ Message 4
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From: <bike.mike(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet on ebay
Skip, et al,
Does anyone have knowledge of this airplane or have an idea what caused
the damage
to the left front cylinder?
Obviously, without logs, this engine is a core waiting for overhaul, but
it would
be good to know some of its history.
I would also want to check out the fuselage very carefully at the
landing gear
mounts. A rigid gear can transfer a lot of shock loads to the fuselage.
Mike Hardaway
---- Skip Gadd wrote:
> Maybe I should send the link!
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1974-PIETENPOL-AIRCAMPER_W0QQitemZ1601187
85101QQihZ006QQcategoryZ63679QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Skip Gadd
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: 5/22/2007 9:38:19 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet on ebay
>
>
> Check out this Piet on ebay, looks like the only suspension is tires.
> Skip
>
>
> skipgadd(at)earthlink.net
> EarthLink Revolves Around You.
________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: axle bolt
John
Either way would work fine. Drilling for an AN-4 would definetly be
faster and easier. If you know someone with a dye set for that size,
you would be able to adjust without adding too many washers. I happen
to have an 1 1/4" and 1 1 1/2" dye if you are close to St. Paul, Mn.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Egan
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: axle bolt
Hello group,
I'd like to get some feedback on what the bolt size and type is to
hold the spoked wheels onto the straight axle? There seems to be two
preferred methods to retain the wheels:
1. Threaded Castle Nut
2. A single bolt through a retaining collar
Regarding the retaining collar and bolt method, is a 1/4 bolt
sufficient in size and is it a typical "AN-" bolt?
I do not find this subject in the archives yet, and I am not sure on
the bolt size by looking at all the helpful photograghs that people
share.
Thanks all,
John
in Wisconsin
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_____________________________________
From: Ryan Michalkiewicz <mskybolt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Insurance
Does everyone carry insurance on their aircraft. Is it more expensive or
more difficult
to obtain it having an auto engine than having a certified engine equipt
plane? Is it necessary?
---------------------------------
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________________________________ Message 7
_____________________________________
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance
I have $1,000,000 liability and $9,000 hull for a total of $1,300 per
year.
dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Michalkiewicz
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Insurance
Does everyone carry insurance on their aircraft. Is it more expensive
or more difficult to obtain it having an auto engine than having a
certified engine equipt plane? Is it necessary?
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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________________________________ Message 8
_____________________________________
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance
When I was buying insurance for my Baby Ace I asked about auto
conversions for the Piet.
Avemco was the cheapest for the Baby Ace (Continental A-75) and insured
me for just liability $1 mil for around $600/year. They take in to
consideration how many hours you have logged as a pilot and how many
tailwheel hours you have. I asked about my Piet project, as I was
planning to use a Corvair, but they wouldn't write that policy. The EAA
folks wouldn't insure me in anything because I only had around 100 hours
flight time and was still working on my tailwheel endorsement. They
wanted at least 125 hours and 25 hours of tailwheel time. If you call
around the companies will tell you what auto conversions they will
cover. For those of you out there building and not flying, the
insurance companies like to see recent hours flown, and a tailwheel
endorsement will be necessary. I've heard that William Wynn knows how
to get insurance on a Corvair, but I never checked that option out. I
really liked the idea of a Continental and shifted my focus.
Continental parts are definitely more expensive though!
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Ryan Michalkiewicz wrote:
> Does everyone carry insurance on their aircraft. Is it more expensive
> or more difficult to obtain it having an auto engine than having a
> certified engine equipt plane? Is it necessary?
>
>
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RE cables for tail wheel steering
Any thoughts on attaching tail wheel cables by nico press to main rudder
cables about three feet in from the tail?
It seems a very long run right up to the rudder bar & would also help
reduce weight near the tail
Thanks Graham Hewitt fuse 75% tail surfaces are complete
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Egan <johnegan99(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks guys for your good replys on retaining the spoked wheels. I happen to have
the bushings pressed into the hubs, so I'll go with the simple collar held
in place by a single 1/4" bolt.
Now on to setting the rudder bar in place.
Thank you,
John
Dick Navratil wrote:
John
Either way would work fine. Drilling for an AN-4 would definetly be faster and
easier. If you know someone with a dye set for that size, you would be able
to adjust without adding too many washers. I happen to have an 1 1/4" and 1
1 1/2" dye if you are close to St. Paul, Mn.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Egan
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: axle bolt
Hello group,
I'd like to get some feedback on what the bolt size and type is to hold the spoked
wheels onto the straight axle? There seems to be two preferred methods
to retain the wheels:
1. Threaded Castle Nut
2. A single bolt through a retaining collar
Regarding the retaining collar and bolt method, is a 1/4 bolt sufficient in size
and is it a typical "AN-" bolt?
I do not find this subject in the archives yet, and I am not sure on the bolt
size by looking at all the helpful photograghs that people share.
Thanks all,
John
in Wisconsin
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After a lead from Mark Langford, on the Corvair list.
I contacted=C2- www.Skysmith.com
This is the lowest price quote I got:
Coverage:=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-Liability Only=C2-
Hull Value:=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-$0.00=C2-=C2-
Liability Limits:=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-$1MIL/$100K=C2-=C2-
Medical Limits:=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-$1,000.00=C2-=C2-
Total=C2- Premium:=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-$614.00=C2-=C2-
Comments:=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-Named Pilots Only.=C2-
=C2-
With hull insurance of around $15000 it doubles.
Build it as a single seat and it could be less .
My experience is that a Corvair powered aircraft needs at least 40 hours bef
ore a insurance Company is willing to consider insurance
Including the insurance through the EAA.
The first 40 hours you are on your own.
It further helps to have at least 100 hours as PIC and some substantial tail
wheel time.
Hans.
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AOL at AOL.com.
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| From: | "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com> |
Sky "Scott" Smith is in my breakfast club and a good guy.
Jack Textor
Des Moines, IA
www.textors.com
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
hvandervoo(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance
After a lead from Mark Langford, on the Corvair list.
I contacted www.Skysmith.com
This is the lowest price quote I got:
Coverage: Liability Only
Hull Value: $0.00
Liability Limits: $1MIL/$100K
Medical Limits: $1,000.00
Total Premium: $614.00
Comments: Named Pilots Only.
With hull insurance of around $15000 it doubles.
Build it as a single seat and it could be less .
My experience is that a Corvair powered aircraft needs at least 40 hours
before a insurance Company is willing to consider insurance
Including the insurance through the EAA.
The first 40 hours you are on your own.
It further helps to have at least 100 hours as PIC and some substantial
tailwheel time.
Hans.
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AOL at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000437> .
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| From: | "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com> |
Guys,
Comments form Scott regarding insurance follow
Jack Textor
www.textors.com <http://www.textors.com/>
Jack,
Thanks for the comments.
I would like to clarify that not all companies insuring Corvair powered
aircraft have any type of hour limits before the coverage starts. We
have been insuring Corvair powered aircraft (Pietenpol, Zenith 601's,
etc) from the start of the project, including taxi testing and first
flight. A few companies have different liability limits and deductibles
during the FAA fly off period, but the coverage is from the first hour.
The comment about first flight is correct, unfortunately. The EAA
program may not provide coverage for the fly off periods (or until the
restrictions are flown off) for auto conversions or unique engine /
plane combinations. We access the EAA program as one of our markets, but
we also quote all of the other companies (except Avemco).
I have been insuring experimental aircraft since 1985 and have insured:
Subaru's, V8 and V6 conversions, Suzuki conversions, Harley Davidson V
twin engines, Mazda rotary, Corvairs, VW's, etc. A lot depends on the
conversion, power reduction unit (if it has one) and accessories
(intake, fuel system, ignition system, etc.)
Yes, typically underwriters like to see at least 100 hours of experience
and about 25 hours of tail wheel to insure a pilot in a Pietenpol, etc
but... we have put student pilots in tail wheel, experimental aircraft
with the right instructor (if the fly offs are done).
Depending on the underwriter, the plane and the pilot .... the rates
will vary anywhere from about $500 on up. If you buy hull coverage with
the liability, the liability cost is a little lower.
Hope that helps clarify a few things.
Scott Sky Smith
515-289-1439
www.skysmith.com <http://www.skysmith.com/>
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| From: | Ryan Michalkiewicz <mskybolt(at)yahoo.com> |
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| From: | Ryan Michalkiewicz <mskybolt(at)yahoo.com> |
Ben, I am sorry we didn't make it up there. I still would like to see your project
sometime. Is your chapter planning somthing for Memorial Day?
-Ryan
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| From: | <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net> |
Nothing planned this weekend. We'll have the pancake breakfast on 6/2 as usual.
I'm working on getting the seat belts attached. Everything is in but the pilot
shoulder harness. I'm attaching them to the tailpost and I've been thinking/planning/building
it for about 3 weeks now. I spend a lot more time thinking
of how to do something than I do actually doing it. Of course the plans don't
show any seat belts at all....
I bought a Continental A 65 from the chapter and I've been going through it. I
guess you can actually get insurance on a Corvair after all.. maybe I should
have kept the 3 cores I sold for $150.
I'm off the weekend of 6/2, so keep in touch.
Ben
>
> From: Ryan Michalkiewicz <mskybolt(at)yahoo.com>
> Date: 2007/05/24 Thu PM 07:21:24 EST
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hello Ben
>
> Ben, I am sorry we didn't make it up there. I still would like to see your project
sometime. Is your chapter planning somthing for Memorial Day?
>
> -Ryan
>
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| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
This may not be good to say in such polite company, but I don't have
insurance on 41CC. I insured it for the first year that I owned it,
liability coverage, but after coverage lapsed (post-noseover) I never
renewed it and am "going barefoot". I had no problem getting it insured
when I did, though. I got it through Falcon and they were really great to
deal with.
Let the flames begin.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | HelsperSew(at)aol.com |
Oscar,
I don't think I will get insurance on my Piet either. Hull coverage is WAY
too much money, and I am just sick of paying paying paying insurance bills. I
am going to "throw caution to the wind" and play my hand.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
Members of the list:
First off.... I hope everyone takes time off to relax and enjoy the holiday.
This is the time to relax with family and friends to help kick off the summer!
My question is concerning the last (or bottom) rudder hinge that is attached
to the fuselage. What technique are others using to create the hinge "inset" on
the fuselage? I completed my hinge "insets" using the router before assembly.
Just checking to see if someone has a technique to making a nice "inset" (1/2"
x 2") for my last hinge to attach the rudder to the fuselage.... Do I need to
take a rocket science course first or am I just having my daily stupid attack?
Ken H.
Fargo, ND
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail Question |
KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP wrote:
> Members of the list:
>
> First off.... I hope everyone takes time off to relax and enjoy the
> holiday. This is the time to relax with family and friends to help
> kick off the summer!
>
> My question is concerning the last (or bottom) rudder hinge that is
> attached to the fuselage. What technique are others using to create
> the hinge "inset" on the fuselage? I completed my hinge "insets" using
> the router before assembly.
>
I Installed the rudder and elevators,then marked the fuselage for the
vertical position of the bottom hinge, then removed the rudder and drew
in the dimension for the hinge in pencil. Using the 1/2 inch wood
chisel that used to square up the other hinge inserts, I carefully cut
out the insert in the fuselage. It worked out fine.
Ben
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| From: | "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
I wil probably go the same way also.
Rick
On 5/25/07, HelsperSew(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Oscar,
>
> I don't think I will get insurance on my Piet either. Hull coverage is
> WAY too much money, and I am just sick of paying paying paying insurance
> bills. I am going to "throw caution to the wind" and play my hand.
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> See what's free at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503>.
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| From: | "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail Question |
Ken,
For the Dremmel that I love so much, I bought the router attachment,
that works great.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
To: Pietenpol
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 11:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Question
Members of the list:
First off.... I hope everyone takes time off to relax and enjoy the
holiday. This is the time to relax with family and friends to help kick
off the summer!
My question is concerning the last (or bottom) rudder hinge that is
attached to the fuselage. What technique are others using to create the
hinge "inset" on the fuselage? I completed my hinge "insets" using the
router before assembly.
Just checking to see if someone has a technique to making a nice
"inset" (1/2" x 2") for my last hinge to attach the rudder to the
fuselage.... Do I need to take a rocket science course first or am I
just having my daily stupid attack?
Ken H.
Fargo, ND
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Yahoo! Games.
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| From: | "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail Question |
Ken
I did all of mine with a set of Exacto tools. Outline and cut in with
the knife and then use chissels to route out. It only takes a few
minutes for each and it's nice to enjoy the silence.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
To: Pietenpol
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 10:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Question
Members of the list:
First off.... I hope everyone takes time off to relax and enjoy the
holiday. This is the time to relax with family and friends to help kick
off the summer!
My question is concerning the last (or bottom) rudder hinge that is
attached to the fuselage. What technique are others using to create the
hinge "inset" on the fuselage? I completed my hinge "insets" using the
router before assembly.
Just checking to see if someone has a technique to making a nice
"inset" (1/2" x 2") for my last hinge to attach the rudder to the
fuselage.... Do I need to take a rocket science course first or am I
just having my daily stupid attack?
Ken H.
Fargo, ND
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha!
Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at
Yahoo! Games.
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| From: | "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
An important question in thinking about liability insurance is, how much
equity you have in your house. If you don't need to worry about loosing
much, they won't spent much coming after you. You hear about stupid
lawsuits all of the time. I choose to insure th plane and to carry a
blanket policy for any stupid thing I might do, anywhere. That blanket
policy is an extra $150 on the homeowners policy.
Dick N.
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| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
I understand reluctance to spend for insurance. However, when I complete the
Piet I will take out liability insurance as soon as practicable. IMO, it's the
very low probability of the disastrous outcome for which we should be insured.
I'll spend for liability coverage, but not hull insurance. Losing the plane
without hull insurance would break my heart, but not my bank. (I'd have a
hard time convincing my wife that we should shell out for another plane, though.
Hang gliding, anyone?)
OTOH, a successful lawsuit can take all that I own, my heart, my soul, and my wallet.
"What's in your wallet?" is not just a credit card ad, IMO. And I am
too old to acquire again enough money on which to live comfortably.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dick Navratil <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
>Sent: May 26, 2007 7:12 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: insurance
>
>An important question in thinking about liability insurance is, how much equity
you have in your house. If you don't need to worry about loosing much, they
won't spent much coming after you. You hear about stupid lawsuits all of the
time. I choose to insure th plane and to carry a blanket policy for any stupid
thing I might do, anywhere. That blanket policy is an extra $150 on the homeowners
policy.
>Dick N.
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| From: | "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Dick
The $150 addition covers things you may damage with your plane?
Rick
On 5/26/07, Dick Navratil wrote:
>
> An important question in thinking about liability insurance is, how much
> equity you have in your house. If you don't need to worry about loosing
> much, they won't spent much coming after you. You hear about stupid
> lawsuits all of the time. I choose to insure th plane and to carry a
> blanket policy for any stupid thing I might do, anywhere. That blanket
> policy is an extra $150 on the homeowners policy.
> Dick N.
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| From: | Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
Yes, if you're out in the boonies somewhere and fly mostly
within the bounds of your own farm like some do up here
in the wild wastes of Canada, nobody cares.
Just don't turn up anywhere a ramp check may happen.
And don't think the respective Feds aren't aware of you.
Up here the prime directive is; " Do whatever you want
to yourself but DON'T jeapordize any innocent bystanders!!"
"For we shall rise up and smite thee!"
Also be aware that in telling the forum your intentions that
your statements are there in the archives for some lawyer
to discover if someone decides to sue you sorry you-know-
what.
Clif
An important question in thinking about liability insurance is, how
much equity you have in your house.
Dick N.
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| From: | <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca> |
The most I'll be paying in future is what we call PLPD. That's it no
more.
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif
Dawson
Sent: May 27, 2007 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insurance
Yes, if you're out in the boonies somewhere and fly mostly
within the bounds of your own farm like some do up here
in the wild wastes of Canada, nobody cares.
Just don't turn up anywhere a ramp check may happen.
And don't think the respective Feds aren't aware of you.
Up here the prime directive is; " Do whatever you want
to yourself but DON'T jeapordize any innocent bystanders!!"
"For we shall rise up and smite thee!"
Also be aware that in telling the forum your intentions that
your statements are there in the archives for some lawyer
to discover if someone decides to sue you sorry you-know-
what.
Clif
An important question in thinking about liability insurance is,
how much equity you have in your house.
Dick N.
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| From: | <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca> |
I once went to get car insurance and because some stupid kid decided to
wreck himself for life in some brick yard riding around on a motor cycle
in Brampton ,Ontario ,Canada, they wanted me to take out coverage for 3
million. I said how much insurance is enough. If I take out 3 million
and someone wants to sue me for four, are you going to cover me for the
added million? Why no she said. Exactly I said. Give me my usual one
million and who ever sues me only gets the million plus what ever else I
have in commodities. They will not ever get 3 million plus from this
guy. I really only wanted 100,000 but the minimum was 1 million. See my
point; it doesn't matter how much coverage you have the person sueing
can always get everything you have anyway. So PLPD for me and the bare
minimum for a ramp check is fine thank you. If the law would let me I
would do away with all insurances and let the bastard take what ever he
could get and no insurance money at all would be forth coming. I
absolutely hate these blood sucking companies that take your money for
insurance and then build these huge buildings and then when a few big
policies come in for payment then cry and want more money from us. They
make me sick.
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| From: | "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen(at)ptialaska.net> |
Harvey, you're a little tense, time for a Labatt's Blue or Molson's Ice (my
two favorites) and focusing some of your good karma on old wood aeroplanes.
If I had my Piete here in homely ole Homer,AK there'd be no way I'd worry
about insurance. In over 40 years of flying, never had a "ramp ck" for my
license/medical or plane's papers or anything else, does the CAA do that
often?
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:18 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: insurance
>
> I once went to get car insurance and because some stupid kid decided to
> wreck himself for life in some brick yard riding around on a motor cycle
> in Brampton ,Ontario ,Canada, they wanted me to take out coverage for 3
> million. I said how much insurance is enough. If I take out 3 million
> and someone wants to sue me for four, are you going to cover me for the
> added million? Why no she said. Exactly I said. Give me my usual one
> million and who ever sues me only gets the million plus what ever else I
> have in commodities. They will not ever get 3 million plus from this
> guy. I really only wanted 100,000 but the minimum was 1 million. See my
> point; it doesn't matter how much coverage you have the person sueing
> can always get everything you have anyway. So PLPD for me and the bare
> minimum for a ramp check is fine thank you. If the law would let me I
> would do away with all insurances and let the bastard take what ever he
> could get and no insurance money at all would be forth coming. I
> absolutely hate these blood sucking companies that take your money for
> insurance and then build these huge buildings and then when a few big
> policies come in for payment then cry and want more money from us. They
> make me sick.
>
>
>
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| From: | HelsperSew(at)aol.com |
Amen Harvey, I am with you. If you DON"T have insurance they probably won't
sue you anyway because there is no easy money to be had.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | Tim Verthein <minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com> |
Here in good ol' Minnesota...liability insurance is REQUIRED! I believe
the ONLY State that REQUIRES aircraft insurance....
"You are required to have liability insurance only during the period of
contemplated use or operation of your aircraft. Minnesota Law requires
you to state the period of contemplated use or operation of your
aircraft. The minimum amount required by the act is as follows: $25,000
per passenger seat liability for passenger bodily injury or death and
for property damage; $25,000 for bodily injury or death to each
non-passenger in any one accident; and $50,000 per occurrence for
bodily injury or death to non-passengers in any one accident. The
minimum insurance amounts for passenger liability shall be upon the
number of type certificated seats for each aircraft."
So, assuming I get it built some day, I'm gonna have to pay. I always
thought the best business to be in, would be one where the laws force
you to buy the product. Pretty much lets 'em charge whatever the heck
they want!
Tim in Bovey
==
You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor!
==
that gives answers, not web links.
http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
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| From: | Greg Chapman <greg(at)mousetrax.com> |
| Subject: | Re: re: Insurance |
Yep, that is not a surprise, BUT there is no requirement for proof of
insurance in the aircraft to satisfy any line or ramp check, correct?
Greg
Tim Verthein wrote:
>
> Here in good ol' Minnesota...liability insurance is REQUIRED! I believe
> the ONLY State that REQUIRES aircraft insurance....
>
> "You are required to have liability insurance only during the period of
> contemplated use or operation of your aircraft. Minnesota Law requires
> you to state the period of contemplated use or operation of your
> aircraft. The minimum amount required by the act is as follows: $25,000
> per passenger seat liability for passenger bodily injury or death and
> for property damage; $25,000 for bodily injury or death to each
> non-passenger in any one accident; and $50,000 per occurrence for
> bodily injury or death to non-passengers in any one accident. The
> minimum insurance amounts for passenger liability shall be upon the
> number of type certificated seats for each aircraft."
>
> So, assuming I get it built some day, I'm gonna have to pay. I always
> thought the best business to be in, would be one where the laws force
> you to buy the product. Pretty much lets 'em charge whatever the heck
> they want!
>
> Tim in Bovey
>
> ==
> You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor!
> ==
>
>
>
> that gives answers, not web links.
> http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
I hate to go on, on this subject, but what if the headline in tomorrows
paper is "SMALL PLANE RUNS OUT OF FUEL, LANDS ON HIGHWAY. CARS RUNS OFF
ROAD TO AVOID PLANE. MOTHER AND TWO CHILDREN SERIOUSLY INJURED, HUSBAND
DEAD AT SCENE.
Something to think about.
Dick N.
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| From: | "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
I believe it's been mentioned before but is it true that no insurance
company will provide even liability coverage for the first 40 hours on a new
Piet?
Rick
On 5/27/07, Dick Navratil wrote:
>
> I hate to go on, on this subject, but what if the headline in tomorrows
> paper is "SMALL PLANE RUNS OUT OF FUEL, LANDS ON HIGHWAY. CARS RUNS OFF
> ROAD TO AVOID PLANE. MOTHER AND TWO CHILDREN SERIOUSLY INJURED, HUSBAND DEAD
> AT SCENE.
>
> Something to think about.
> Dick N.
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| From: | "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
I had coverage before making my first flight.
dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insurance
I believe it's been mentioned before but is it true that no insurance
company will provide even liability coverage for the first 40 hours on a
new Piet?
Rick
On 5/27/07, Dick Navratil wrote:
I hate to go on, on this subject, but what if the headline in
tomorrows paper is "SMALL PLANE RUNS OUT OF FUEL, LANDS ON HIGHWAY.
CARS RUNS OFF ROAD TO AVOID PLANE. MOTHER AND TWO CHILDREN SERIOUSLY
INJURED, HUSBAND DEAD AT SCENE.
Something to think about.
Dick N.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | kmordecai001(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Hegy 72 x 42 to trade for A-75 prop |
Pieters,
I've got a very nice Hegy 72 x 42 on NX520SF, perfect prop for an A-65.....but
mine is an A-75 so I'm not getting the desired rpm/horsepower out of it. Turns
2200 static, 2400 at WOT level flight on a cool day with a fresh tight A-75.
I'd like to offer it up for trade if someone has a similar but flatter pitch prop,
I'm guessing a 72 x 40 would be about right. I ran into a fellow at Sun
n' Fun with an A-75 on a Grasshopper running a Sensenitch 72 x 38, but you can't
directly compare different manufacturers. He said it pulled 2550-2600 climbing
out, so it was definitely a climb prop.
If you're interested please email me directly and I"ll reply with photos. It's
not perfect after 80 hours on a grass field, has the usual little nicks on the
epoxy leading edge from all the bugs down here in Florida, but is still a beautiful
prop.
Regards,
Dave Mordecai
NX520SF
Panacea, FL
kmordecai001(at)comcast.net
Pieters,
I've got a very nice Hegy 72 x 42 on NX520SF, perfect prop for an A-65.....but
mine is an A-75 so I'm not getting the desired rpm/horsepower out of it.
Turns 2200 static, 2400 at WOT level flight on a cool day with a fresh tight
A-75.
I'd like to offer it up for trade if someone has a similar but flatter pitch
prop, I'm guessing a 72 x 40 would be about right. I ran into
a fellow at Sun n' Fun with an A-75 on a Grasshopper running a Sensenitch
72 x 38, but you can't directly compare different manufacturers. He said
it pulled 2550-2600 climbing out, so it was definitely a climb prop.
If you're interested please email me directly and I"ll reply with photos.
It's not perfect after 80 hours on a grass field, has the usual little nicks
on the epoxy leading edge from all the bugs down here in Florida, but is
still a beautiful prop.
Regards,
Dave Mordecai
NX520SF
Panacea, FL
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| From: | <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca> |
I have both hull and plpd on my new Piet/Grega from Marsh through COPA.
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Sent: May 27, 2007 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insurance
I believe it's been mentioned before but is it true that no insurance
company will provide even liability coverage for the first 40 hours on a
new Piet?
Rick
On 5/27/07, Dick Navratil wrote:
I hate to go on, on this subject, but what if the headline in tomorrows
paper is "SMALL PLANE RUNS OUT OF FUEL, LANDS ON HIGHWAY. CARS RUNS OFF
ROAD TO AVOID PLANE. MOTHER AND TWO CHILDREN SERIOUSLY INJURED, HUSBAND
DEAD AT SCENE.
Something to think about.
Dick N.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Hegy 72 x 42 to trade for A-75 prop |
----- Original Message -----
From: kmordecai001(at)comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hegy 72 x 42 to trade for A-75 prop
Pieters,
I've got a very nice Hegy 72 x 42 on NX520SF, perfect prop for an
A-65.....but mine is an A-75 so I'm not getting the desired
rpm/horsepower out of it. Turns 2200 static, 2400 at WOT level flight
on a cool day with a fresh tight A-75.
I'd like to offer it up for trade if someone has a similar but flatter
pitch prop, I'm guessing a 72 x 40 would be about right. I ran into a
fellow at Sun n' Fun with an A-75 on a Grasshopper running a Sensenitch
72 x 38, but you can't directly compare different manufacturers. He said
it pulled 2550-2600 climbing out, so it was definitely a climb prop.
If you're interested please email me directly and I"ll reply with
photos. It's not perfect after 80 hours on a grass field, has the usual
little nicks on the epoxy leading edge from all the bugs down here in
Florida, but is still a beautiful prop.
Regards,
Dave Mordecai
NX520SF
Panacea, FL
kmordecai001(at)comcast.net
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| From: | Tim Verthein <minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com> |
Well, not that I could see with a quick check....however...you are
required to register your plane with the State (and pay the appropriate
tax) and to get that registration one thing you must do is provide
proof of insurance. So, if you're registered, you're insured. Unless
you let it lapse, but even in the case of a ramp check, they'd never
know unless they called the company to be sure it's still in force,
kinda like the insurance cards in our cars..they all LOOK find, but
they don't know you've been cancelled untill you hit something and
turns out you're not covered! But also just like cars, eventually i bet
someone at the insurance outfit tells someone in a regulatory office
that you're not covered!
Tim in Bovey
Yep, that is not a surprise, BUT there is no requirement for proof of
insurance in the aircraft to satisfy any line or ramp check,
correct?
Greg
Tim Verthein wrote:
>
> Here in good ol' Minnesota...liability insurance is REQUIRED! I
believe
> the ONLY State that REQUIRES aircraft insurance....
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: re: insurance |
Hi All, just wondering how many have ever been ramp checked?
Gene
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| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | question for Greg Chapman |
>I'll go back under my rock now (where I wish I was working on a Piet).
>Greg Chapman
So, why aren't you working on a Piet? Got plans? Got a little area where
you can work? Get started! It doesn't take much...
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Greg Chapman <greg(at)mousetrax.com> |
| Subject: | Re: question for Greg Chapman |
I have another airplane ( a 1961 172B) which satisfies more people than
just me, has an enclosed cockpit, etc., a job that eats more than 60
hours a week, and so on.
The Piet is a fun dream at this point. Before I start one, I'll first
buy a core Continental O300-D, rebuild it (under supervision), can it
and then start thinking about building a Piet in the basement of a
Chicago bungalow where all my neighbors already have me cast as
eccentric, individualistic (I don't bleat very well) loud. ;)
So I'll watch you guys for a while, learn what I can and maybe before I
die, I'll sacrifice some spruce and STP. Something about the Piet is so
much more attractive than an RV-*.
Greg
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
>> I'll go back under my rock now (where I wish I was working on a Piet).
>> Greg Chapman
>
>
> So, why aren't you working on a Piet? Got plans? Got a little area
> where you can work? Get started! It doesn't take much...
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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| From: | Greg Chapman <greg(at)mousetrax.com> |
| Subject: | Re: re: insurance |
> But also just like cars, eventually i bet
> someone at the insurance outfit tells someone in a regulatory office
> that you're not covered!
I have no doubt of that, either. The point is, though, that a ramp check
carries no requirement for your bond papers. When you check the FARs,
they are the sole set of guidance for what must be with you and in the
airplane.
Not gonna quote, but we are required to have only our medical and our
'license'. Your airplane must have it's Airworthiness Cert, Weight and
Balance, Registration (there's your proof in your state), appropriate
placards, operating limitations and a POH , if the aircraft has one.
Note that a Radio License is no longer required.
There are additional items, including a great gotcha for older
airplanes, like charts, flashlight and a checklist with specific parts
(which is the gotcha element for older airplanes, Check 91.503, it's a
killer as it's marked for Turbine and Large aircraft but elements of it
are pr).
But nowhere is there any requirement for proof of insurance during a
ramp check. That's all my point is. It has nothing to do with whether
you should or shouldn't be covered. You just don't need proof of it in
the airplane, that's all.
Greg Chapman
Tim Verthein wrote:
>
> Well, not that I could see with a quick check....however...you are
> required to register your plane with the State (and pay the appropriate
> tax) and to get that registration one thing you must do is provide
> proof of insurance. So, if you're registered, you're insured. Unless
> you let it lapse, but even in the case of a ramp check, they'd never
> know unless they called the company to be sure it's still in force,
> kinda like the insurance cards in our cars..they all LOOK find, but
> they don't know you've been cancelled untill you hit something and
> turns out you're not covered! But also just like cars, eventually i bet
> someone at the insurance outfit tells someone in a regulatory office
> that you're not covered!
>
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| From: | Steve Bryan <steve.bryan(at)apracing.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Visit to the USA |
Hi everyone!
Let me introduce myself, my name is Steve Bryan, I live in the UK and I've
been building a Pietenpol for nine years now (I'm a slow worker!). In fact,
there's even a picture of me and some mates with my Corvair engine in Chet
Peek's 'Pietenpol Story'! I've been 'lurking' on this list for a long time
and have learnt a lot just by following along, but this is my first post.
The reason that I'm finally posting is because I'm going to be in the USA
next month for the Formula One Grand Prix at Indianapolis (it's a car race,
I work on brakes and clutches for the cars) and I thought I might try to
plan a little Pietenpol tourism! I thought I could drive up from Chicago to
look at the EAA museum at Oshkosh and maybe call in for a look at Brodhead?
I know there won't be any fly-in taking place, but I've heard there are a
lot of interesting aeroplanes based there?
Does this plan sound feasible in the couple of days I will have? Any other
suggestions for places to visit in the vicinity? I would appreciate any
guidance.
Thanks a lot.
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| From: | "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com> |
$1,000,000 Liability insurance is required if you want to give Young
Eagle rides in your Pietenpol.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Liability and Ground Hull Insurance - no flight hull.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Willis
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insurance
-->
I understand reluctance to spend for insurance. However, when I
complete the Piet I will take out liability insurance as soon as
practicable. IMO, it's the very low probability of the disastrous
outcome for which we should be insured. I'll spend for liability
coverage, but not hull insurance. Losing the plane without hull
insurance would break my heart, but not my bank. (I'd have a hard time
convincing my wife that we should shell out for another plane, though.
Hang gliding, anyone?)
OTOH, a successful lawsuit can take all that I own, my heart, my soul,
and my wallet. "What's in your wallet?" is not just a credit card ad,
IMO. And I am too old to acquire again enough money on which to live
comfortably.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dick Navratil <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
>Sent: May 26, 2007 7:12 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: insurance
>
>An important question in thinking about liability insurance is, how
much equity you have in your house. If you don't need to worry about
loosing much, they won't spent much coming after you. You hear about
stupid lawsuits all of the time. I choose to insure th plane and to
carry a blanket policy for any stupid thing I might do, anywhere. That
blanket policy is an extra $150 on the homeowners policy.
>Dick N.
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| From: | "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Filler strip question |
Concerning the filler strips shown on the plans that go around the outer
edges of the fuselage sides, what size strips work the best? and how far
back should they go? on the plans it looks like they stop at the rear seat.
Thanks
Rick
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | 2007 Brussels Pietenpol Gathering |
| From: | "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com> |
Just got a reply from Jim Armstrong, confirming the date for the 18th
Annual Pietenpol Gathering in Brussels, Ontario.
It will be held Saturday, June 16th, the day before Father's Day, at the
Armstrong Aerodrome (as usual).
For those who are not familiar with the event, it's the Canadian
equivalent of Brodhead - nice and laid back, and friendly. They have a
bar-b-que, and Pietenpols, and you can set up a tent at the field and
stay overnight. What more could you want?
Brussels is a little village, pretty much in the middle of nowhere, out
in farm country (look it up on GoogleMaps using this link)
http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=brussels,+on&ie=UTF8&om=
1&ll=42.8
84015,-81.00769&spn=3.461446,6.866455&z=8&iwloc=addr
The airfield is on the NorthEast side of the village
http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=brussels,+on&ie=UTF8&om=
1&t=h&ll
43.747351,-81.240807&spn=0.053323,0.107288&z=14
Bill C
<http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=brussels,+on&ie=UTF8&om=
1&ll=42.
884015,-81.00769&spn=3.461446,6.866455&z=8&iwloc=addr>
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| From: | "baileys" <baileys(at)ktis.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Visit to the USA |
Visit to the USASounds like a good plan Steve,
The Brodhead EAA chapter web sites
are http://www.eaa431.org/
and
http://www.eaachapter431.org/
The first one seems to be the most current.
Anyway I would suggest contacting them so they know when you will be
there and maybe even they will have someone available to show you
around.
Hope you enjoy the trip and win the race.
Another lurker.
Bob B.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Bryan
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Visit to the USA
Hi everyone!
Let me introduce myself, my name is Steve Bryan, I live in the UK and
I've been building a Pietenpol for nine years now (I'm a slow worker!).
In fact, there's even a picture of me and some mates with my Corvair
engine in Chet Peek's 'Pietenpol Story'! I've been 'lurking' on this
list for a long time and have learnt a lot just by following along, but
this is my first post.
The reason that I'm finally posting is because I'm going to be in the
USA next month for the Formula One Grand Prix at Indianapolis (it's a
car race, I work on brakes and clutches for the cars) and I thought I
might try to plan a little Pietenpol tourism! I thought I could drive up
from Chicago to look at the EAA museum at Oshkosh and maybe call in for
a look at Brodhead? I know there won't be any fly-in taking place, but
I've heard there are a lot of interesting aeroplanes based there?
Does this plan sound feasible in the couple of days I will have? Any
other suggestions for places to visit in the vicinity? I would
appreciate any guidance.
Thanks a lot.
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| From: | "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Visit to the USA |
Visit to the USASteve
That trip would be very possible. Indianapolis is about 300 mi., 6
hours from Brodhead. Brodhead to Osh is about 3 hours. It is best not
to go thru Chicago unless you just want to see the city. Traffic can be
horrible and road tolls are about $7 all the way thru. Best to go
Interstate Hwy 57 west to Interstate 39 north. Get off at Rockford,
Ill. and take back roads to Brodhead. Brodhead also hosts other Fly
ins, there may be something going on there. The OSH museum and Pioneer
airport would be well worth the trip.
I have attached a calander of diffrent fly ins around the country for
the month of June.
Good luck
Dick N.
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From: Steve Bryan
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Visit to the USA
Hi everyone!
Let me introduce myself, my name is Steve Bryan, I live in the UK and
I've been building a Pietenpol for nine years now (I'm a slow worker!).
In fact, there's even a picture of me and some mates with my Corvair
engine in Chet Peek's 'Pietenpol Story'! I've been 'lurking' on this
list for a long time and have learnt a lot just by following along, but
this is my first post.
The reason that I'm finally posting is because I'm going to be in the
USA next month for the Formula One Grand Prix at Indianapolis (it's a
car race, I work on brakes and clutches for the cars) and I thought I
might try to plan a little Pietenpol tourism! I thought I could drive up
from Chicago to look at the EAA museum at Oshkosh and maybe call in for
a look at Brodhead? I know there won't be any fly-in taking place, but
I've heard there are a lot of interesting aeroplanes based there?
Does this plan sound feasible in the couple of days I will have? Any
other suggestions for places to visit in the vicinity? I would
appreciate any guidance.
Thanks a lot.
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| From: | "Mike Whaley" <MerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Visit to the USA |
Just a word of warning... 2 years ago, I ended up driving 24 hrs straight
from Atlanta GA to Brodhead. Had no intention of doing that, but we were
unable to find ANY accomodations after we passed Indianapolis. I was told at
several hotels that just about every hotel room within 200 miles of Chicago
stays booked up pretty much throughout the summer for various conventions
and such. Of course, if you're not going right before the big Oshkosh event,
then it might be a better situation, but you might want to check ahead of
time if you'll need accomodations there. Last year we got a hotel in
Janesville that worked out well. Janesville is not more than an hour from
Brodhead and is a good-sized town with food, shopping, many hotels, etc. So
if you're not going to drive back to Indy the same day, then you might wanna
call and reserve a room there.
As for planes, last year at the B'head fly-in they were running a real
Anzani 3-cylinder engine on a Bleriot Fuselage. There's also a guy who has
the worlds largest collection of Flying Fleas and a random variety of rare
and interesting planes, mostly from the Golden Age. I'm sure you'll enjoy it
there even if you only see a little bit of it... from what I can gather it's
a bit like your Shuttleworth collection, but without the official
organization and monthly airshows!
You might also want to look at the EAA website and see what the schedule of
activities is at Pioneer Airport in Oshkosh... might be having a fly-in or
some activities there.
-Mike
Mike Whaley merlin@ov-10bronco.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Bryan" <steve.bryan(at)apracing.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:48 AM
Subject: [piet] Pietenpol-List: Visit to the USA
> Hi everyone!
> Let me introduce myself, my name is Steve Bryan, I live in the UK and I've
> been building a Pietenpol for nine years now (I'm a slow worker!). In
fact,
> there's even a picture of me and some mates with my Corvair engine in Chet
> Peek's 'Pietenpol Story'! I've been 'lurking' on this list for a long time
> and have learnt a lot just by following along, but this is my first post.
> The reason that I'm finally posting is because I'm going to be in the USA
> next month for the Formula One Grand Prix at Indianapolis (it's a car
race,
> I work on brakes and clutches for the cars) and I thought I might try to
> plan a little Pietenpol tourism! I thought I could drive up from Chicago
to
> look at the EAA museum at Oshkosh and maybe call in for a look at
Brodhead?
> I know there won't be any fly-in taking place, but I've heard there are a
> lot of interesting aeroplanes based there?
> Does this plan sound feasible in the couple of days I will have? Any other
> suggestions for places to visit in the vicinity? I would appreciate any
> guidance.
> Thanks a lot.
>
>
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| From: | Steve Bryan <steve.bryan(at)apracing.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Visit to the USA |
Thanks to all for the advice. I'm sure I'm going to have a great trip!
Let's hope that work doesn't get in the way too much!
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Thanks to all for the advice.
I'm sure I'm going to have a great trip!
Let's hope that work doesn't ge
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| Subject: | car rental at OSH ? |
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Any suggestions on who/where to rent a car from during the EAA
convention ? Past experiences tips and do's/don'ts welcome.
Mike C.
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| From: | <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca> |
Do you have a deductable amount?That's always a nice surprise whenever
you have to claim."Oh where sorry you have a 5000 dollar deductable on
your policy ,we're sorry but you'll have to pay for that."After you've
paid out all this money and you are still screwed into the ground for
more.That's the kind of things I just love!Always read the fine print at
the bottom!
I've got $1,000,000 liability and $15,000 ground hull. I think my
premium is about $600 a year through Falcon (EAA). I also insure my
RV-4 with them. I do carry hull on it (beacause I have it financed) and
the $1,000,000 liability and full hull for $50,000 costs me about $1300
a year. The nice thing about Falcon's policy is that I'm covered up to
the value of my policy on ANY airplane I fly, so I can fly other folks
airplanes and still have insurance, up to $50,000 if I break something.
Jack
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| From: | "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com> |
Just looked at my policy to be sure. Premium for the RV-4 is $1350 for
$50,000 hull (ground and in-motion), $1,000,000 liability. Zero
deductible.
Jack
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
harvey.rule(at)bell.ca
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:55 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: insurance
Do you have a deductable amount?That's always a nice surprise whenever
you have to claim."Oh where sorry you have a 5000 dollar deductable on
your policy ,we're sorry but you'll have to pay for that."After you've
paid out all this money and you are still screwed into the ground for
more.That's the kind of things I just love!Always read the fine print at
the bottom!
I've got $1,000,000 liability and $15,000 ground hull. I think my
premium is about $600 a year through Falcon (EAA). I also insure my
RV-4 with them. I do carry hull on it (beacause I have it financed) and
the $1,000,000 liability and full hull for $50,000 costs me about $1300
a year. The nice thing about Falcon's policy is that I'm covered up to
the value of my policy on ANY airplane I fly, so I can fly other folks
airplanes and still have insurance, up to $50,000 if I break something.
Jack
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| Subject: | 2007 Brussels Pietenpol Gathering |
| From: | "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com> |
Bob,
When I was there last year, there was quite a variety of aircraft
present. Five Pietenpols, a couple of Tiger Moths, and a bunch of other
planes, including a few regular ol' Cessnas. There's no snobbery.
The field is a grass strip. Details can be found here:
http://www.copanational.org/PlacesToFly/airport_view.php?pr_id=1&ap_id=
8
90
on that page, you'll find Jim's phone number. Probably best to give him
a call for details.
Bill
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| Subject: | car rental at OSH ? |
| From: | "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com> |
Not sure Mike, but if I'm there at the same time you could certainly
borrow my Suburban.
Jack Textor
Any suggestions on who/where to rent a car from during the EAA
convention ? Past experiences tips and do's/don'ts welcome.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | car rental at OSH ? |
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
That is a very kind offer of you, Jack. I discovered that EAA has a
CDP number you can give to Hertz or Enterprise and the cost
per week drops by $100 bucks when you use that number. Most likely will
have my own car but just checking to see who has been
there, done that. Thank you !
Mike C.
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Driving from Atlanta to Brodhead |
Hey Mike
When the Big Piet Builders drive from Carrollton, it only takes us 16
hours and we have to get on I-75 at Cartersville just to get started. Of
course it helps to have 5 other drivers to swap out with and 2 radar
detectors.
Have we met? We have been up every year for the past 5 years. Are you
building?
We are having a fly-in in Carrollton this Sept. 15th.
Barry Davis
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| From: | John Egan <johnegan99(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello all,
Would some of you like to comment on what type of hole/opening you have made
to run the rudder cables through the back of the pilot seat plywood? Here, the
cable will change direction slightly to run up to the rudder. It seems as though
a large enough hole will be required to pass the assembled cable through.
This may be a good place for a plastic fairlead, with required modification
to the thin plywood. I'm wondering if it's not a good idea to let the cable rub
against the bare plywood?
thank you,
john
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| From: | "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com> |
Hi John,
I'm like you - I didn't like the idea of running cables through plywood
with no protection. The change in direction for the rudder cables at
the seatback is more than is recommended to handle with a fairlead,
certainly too much (IMHO) to just run through a hole, where it will saw
its way through the plywood.
I made a couple of pulley brackets and installed pulleys for each of the
rudder cables, as well as the up elevator cable. I used plastic
fairleads for all cable penetrations of wood, and if the cable changed
direction more than about 5 degrees, I installed a pulley.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Egan
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rudder cables
Hello all,
Would some of you like to comment on what type of hole/opening you have
made to run the rudder cables through the back of the pilot seat
plywood? Here, the cable will change direction slightly to run up to
the rudder. It seems as though a large enough hole will be required to
pass the assembled cable through. This may be a good place for a
plastic fairlead, with required modification to the thin plywood. I'm
wondering if it's not a good idea to let the cable rub against the bare
plywood?
thank you,
john
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| From: | lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan) |
Hi John: I think rubbing cables on the plywood would continue to
elongate the hole making the cable looser as the hole gets bigger. It
would bee a great place or one of those plastic fairleads. I made mine
out of hardwood. I drilled the hole in the hardwood at an angle for the
best cable routing, then further refined the hole with a dremmel tool.
An old time Piet builder recommended the hardwood fairlead to me at
Brodhead. He said he had used them on his Piet for years and years, and
many many hours. They don't ware, the cable just polishs the hole
smooth. Leon S. in soggy Ks.
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| From: | "Dale Johnson" <ddjohn(at)earthlink.net> |
John
We used 1/4 " plastic tubing from the front of the back seat to where it exits
the plane.
There is storage under the rear seat this keeps the rudder cables from getting
cought on any thing.
The plastic tube is fastened to the vertical pieces with nylon cable clamps.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: John Egan
Sent: 5/31/2007 9:12:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rudder cables
Hello all,
Would some of you like to comment on what type of hole/opening you have made to
run the rudder cables through the back of the pilot seat plywood? Here, the
cable will change direction slightly to run up to the rudder. It seems as though
a large enough hole will be required to pass the assembled cable through.
This may be a good place for a plastic fairlead, with required modification to
the thin plywood. I'm wondering if it's not a good idea to let the cable rub
against the bare plywood?
thank you,
john
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| From: | <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca> |
I have yet to install my control cables for my back wheel as well and I
have been pondering on how to do this.Are you talking about connecting
to the front rudder peddles or the rear?If anyone has pictures of their
set up it would sure be appreciated for reference as well.Thanks to any
info on this.
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale
Johnson
Sent: June 1, 2007 6:04 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: rudder cables
John
We used 1/4 " plastic tubing from the front of the back seat to where it
exits the plane.
There is storage under the rear seat this keeps the rudder cables from
getting cought on any thing.
The plastic tube is fastened to the vertical pieces with nylon cable
clamps.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: John Egan <mailto:johnegan99(at)yahoo.com>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: 5/31/2007 9:12:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rudder cables
Hello all,
Would some of you like to comment on what type of hole/opening
you have made to run the rudder cables through the back of the pilot
seat plywood? Here, the cable will change direction slightly to run up
to the rudder. It seems as though a large enough hole will be required
to pass the assembled cable through. This may be a good place for a
plastic fairlead, with required modification to the thin plywood. I'm
wondering if it's not a good idea to let the cable rub against the bare
plywood?
thank you,
john
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Wooden propeller tracking |
Good evening all.
My A 65 is finally completely rebuilt (all yellow tagged) and while an
expensive lesson it has been a real learning experience for me. Having
never overhauled an engine before I have had an A & P hold my hand the
complete time. I now feel I could do it all on my own.
I am replacing my old metal prop with a Struba wood prop (74 X 38). My
problem is that I can't seem to get the prop to track properly. One
blade is 1/4 of an inch off the track of the other. I tried retorquing
(many times) without any change. The prop hub is seated very well and I
just don't know where to go from here. I tried to call Ed Struba but he
has left for the weekend. I really would like to start my newly
overhauled engine this weekend but want to get the tracking set before I
do. Any thoughts? Corky, where are you when I need you?
Gene in Tennessee
N502R
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden propeller tracking |
In a message dated 6/1/2007 6:33:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
zharvey(at)bellsouth.net writes:
I am replacing my old metal prop with a Struba wood prop (74 X 38). My
problem is that I can't seem to get the prop to track properly. One blade is 1/4
of an inch off the track of the other. I tried retorquing (many times) without
any change. The prop hub is seated very well and I just don't know where to
go from here. I tried to call Ed Struba but he has left for the weekend. I
really would like to start my newly overhauled engine this weekend but want to
get the tracking set before I do. Any thoughts? Corky, where are you when I
need you?
Gene in Tennessee
N502R
Gene,
I would have to ask if this is a new prop ?
Did you check the prop flange for run out with say a dial caliper ? (bent
crank)
On the other hand, it is acceptable to use a piece of notebook paper to shim
under the portion of the hub where the blade is too far aft. The thing you
have to be concerned about, and check for after the tips track within 1/8" (I
prefer 1/16") is the blade angle. The prop bolts will have to be loosened,
install the paper shim, and re-torqued to 15 ft. lbs to 17 ft. lbs on each attempt
to get the track within specs. The prop is evidently warped somewhat, and if
you could check the blade angle with say a digital protractor, at similar
blade stations, it would be some comfort that one of the blades is not twisted.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | seen Friday at SWRFI |
A Corvair-powered Piet flew in to the SWRFI event yesterday (and
successfully flew out, even in the fairly high and gusty wind). Really
pretty airplane; I didn't get pix since I was driving and he left before my
shift was over, but he said he'd be back today so maybe I can get some pix.
Also saw... believe it or not, after just talking about this... a Davis
DA-2. Really nice one. Again, no pix but I'll see if I can get some when
I'm there after lunch today. And it's HOT here for the fly-in, finally no
rain.
And driving behind a row of parked airplanes, there was a Wittman Tailwind
parked next to an RV-something and I was surprised to see how short the
wingspan is on the Tailwind. Pretty much the same size as an RV.
I was not able to fly my Piet to the fly-in due to not having time to go to
the airport to get it (it's faster to drive!), the airplane having no fuel
and none on the field at San Geronimo (I need to cart some in in some 5 gal.
jugs), and it being so dirty I'm almost ashamed to show it in public. Where
are the teenagers eager to wash your airplane in exchange for 30 min. or an
hour of Piet time???
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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| From: | "Rob Stapleton, Jr." <foto(at)alaska.net> |
| Subject: | seen Friday at SWRFI |
I sure would like see photos of that Corvair Pietenpol...I am still slugging
away on my project which is almost up on the landing gear!
Rob
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 6:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: seen Friday at SWRFI
A Corvair-powered Piet flew in to the SWRFI event yesterday (and
successfully flew out, even in the fairly high and gusty wind). Really
pretty airplane; I didn't get pix since I was driving and he left before my
shift was over, but he said he'd be back today so maybe I can get some pix.
Also saw... believe it or not, after just talking about this... a Davis
DA-2. Really nice one. Again, no pix but I'll see if I can get some when
I'm there after lunch today. And it's HOT here for the fly-in, finally no
rain.
And driving behind a row of parked airplanes, there was a Wittman Tailwind
parked next to an RV-something and I was surprised to see how short the
wingspan is on the Tailwind. Pretty much the same size as an RV.
I was not able to fly my Piet to the fly-in due to not having time to go to
the airport to get it (it's faster to drive!), the airplane having no fuel
and none on the field at San Geronimo (I need to cart some in in some 5 gal.
jugs), and it being so dirty I'm almost ashamed to show it in public. Where
are the teenagers eager to wash your airplane in exchange for 30 min. or an
hour of Piet time???
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
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| From: | HVandervoo(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: seen Friday at SWRFI |
Oscar,
Sorry, I did not make it back there on Saturday. My traveling companions
(Flying a Champ and a J3) wanted to go back home rather than go back Saturday.
And I did not want to travel back by myself.
We stayed Friday night at a Ranch, with airstrip in the Hill country around
Utopia, about 20 miles NW from Hondo.
It took us a little over 8 hours round trip, average moving speed according
to my GPS 65 Mph.
Airspeed indicated was around 60. We had a little tail wind both ways.
We flew on Friday from Waller (37X) with stops in Lagrange, New braunfels,
Boerne, Hondo, Utopia
Return trip on Saturday Utopia-Boerne-Lockhart-Lagrange-Waller.
It was my first true cross country in my Corvair powered Pietenpol, what a
blast.
Hans
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wooden propeller tracking |
Chuck,
Thanks for all your input. The prop is new and was built for me by Ed
Struba. I will contact him on monday and find out what he suggests.
One of the suggestions I received from an old time A & P, that has
worked with a lot of wood props, was to use stainless steel shims (much
like you suggested with the paper), but I want to discuss it with Struba
first. I have a feeling one blade is warped or at least not as it
should be, as no matter how I place it on the flange, the same blade is
always tracking on the inside of the other and the flange checks out
true.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
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| From: | "Bill Princell" <weprincell(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Instrument Panel Question: |
I'm rebuilding a 20 year old GN-1 Aircamper. I'm presently re-constructing
the combing over the front and rear instrument panels and using .090
aluminum sheet to fabricate new instrument panels. Instead of mounting them
vertical, I want to angle both panels slightly forward at about 80/85
degrees to make the instruments easier to read. Other than the compass, are
any of the other basic flight instruments (altimeter, airspeed and rate of
climb) sensitive to how they are mounted?
Bill Princell - Noblesville, IN
Corvair Powered / GN1 Rebuild Project
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| From: | "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen(at)ptialaska.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel Question: |
I had to put my beer can holder on one of those swivelling thingies, and
the ship's storm lantern came with it's own swivelling mount thingie but
other than that, can't see the instruments too good anymore, so left
them in hanger. Burp and cheers.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Princell
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 8:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Instrument Panel Question:
I'm rebuilding a 20 year old GN-1 Aircamper. I'm presently
re-constructing the combing over the front and rear instrument panels
and using .090 aluminum sheet to fabricate new instrument panels.
Instead of mounting them vertical, I want to angle both panels slightly
forward at about 80/85 degrees to make the instruments easier to read.
Other than the compass, are any of the other basic flight instruments
(altimeter, airspeed and rate of climb) sensitive to how they are
mounted?
Bill Princell - Noblesville, IN
Corvair Powered / GN1 Rebuild Project
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| From: | RBush96589(at)aol.com |
Hans,
I ordered a prop from TN props. exactly like yours,can you tell me what
static rpm you get out of yours? If my tach is correct I get about 2450.
Thanks,
Robert Bush
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| From: | HVandervoo(at)aol.com |
Robert,
I get 2700 static on the ground and 2900 on climb out.
Hans
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| From: | RBush96589(at)aol.com |
Hans,
Thanks for the quick response,I am going out to crank it and check it
with a digital hand held tach and see what I get, also need to check the
timing.
Thanks again,
Robert
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| From: | HVandervoo(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: re:static rpm |
Robert,
Assuming you have a "fresh" engine it might take a while to break-in.
A good 4 hours before you see top RPM, lower CHT and Oil temps.
Check your ignition also specially after the first hour of running the
engine.
If timing or dwell is off it will make a difference.
Hans
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| From: | "Mike Whaley" <MerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Driving from Atlanta to Brodhead |
Hi Barry,
Well, it was just my wife and I and we must have been going a little slower
than you guys :) Work is flying me up there this year (commercial, nothing
exciting) and I talked 'em into letting me go up on Friday so I could hit
B'head on Saturday before heading to OSH. I'm not sure if we've met, unless
you were the guy from Georgia that I chatted with last year as we all
watched fireflies out over the runways while the bonfire got going. :) Not
building anything yet, we're on the backside of the "time-space-money curve"
at the moment... but a "big Piet" is a definite possibility when we do start
:^)
-M
Mike Whaley merlin@ov-10bronco.net
Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association
http://www.ov-10bronco.net/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:43 PM
Subject: [piet] Pietenpol-List: Driving from Atlanta to Brodhead
Hey Mike
When the Big Piet Builders drive from Carrollton, it only takes us 16 hours
and we have to get on I-75 at Cartersville just to get started. Of course it
helps to have 5 other drivers to swap out with and 2 radar detectors.
Have we met? We have been up every year for the past 5 years. Are you
building?
We are having a fly-in in Carrollton this Sept. 15th.
Barry Davis
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| From: | RBush96589(at)aol.com |
Hans,
Yes it is a fresh engine. I checked the timing and found it to be off a
good bit,reset it and now I get about 2650 rpm static and much smoother
throttle response.
Thanks,
Robert
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| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Corvair powered Piet |
Rob wrote-
>I sure would like see photos of that Corvair Pietenpol...I am still
>slugging
>away on my project which is almost up on the landing gear!
Hans got away from me ;o) I believe there are some photos of William
Wynne's Piet over on Chris Tracy's excellent photo archive site and I have
always felt that William executed the Corvair/Piet the way I would do it...
clean and smooth. I know that the original Corvair/Piet as done by Mr.
Pietenpol has the rounded and somewhat bulbous nose with short stacks out
the side, but I don't care for that look as much as the way William did his.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | smokin' the Piet |
Speaking of smoke, at SWRFI this past weekend they were handing out copies
of the little info-newspaper that were leftover from SnF. Mostly
advertising but a few articles. One of the articles was from a guy with one
of the oil companies (Shell?), about smoke oil. It was all about selecting
an oil to use so I expected to read good stuff in there but it ended up
being all about additives in oil, leftover product getting into the oil,
harming the environment and spectators, liability, all that stuff.
Honestly, I had never heard or read about anyone ever being harmed by
airshow smoke but there's a new one for you! What are we coming to now?
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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| From: | "Ed G." <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com> |
Remember that there will be several layers of fabric and tapes on the
fuselage. Horiz. Stab. and verticle stab. which will raise the verticle stab
and rudder slightly. So from what I hear you will want to wait until after
covering is done before positioning and installing the lower rudder hinge.
Maybe you're already at that point but if not you need to take it into
consideration...Ed G.
>From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To: Pietenpol
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Question
>Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 20:44:38 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Members of the list:
>
> First off.... I hope everyone takes time off to relax and enjoy the
>holiday. This is the time to relax with family and friends to help kick off
>the summer!
>
> My question is concerning the last (or bottom) rudder hinge that is
>attached to the fuselage. What technique are others using to create the
>hinge "inset" on the fuselage? I completed my hinge "insets" using the
>router before assembly.
>
> Just checking to see if someone has a technique to making a nice "inset"
>(1/2" x 2") for my last hinge to attach the rudder to the fuselage.... Do I
>need to take a rocket science course first or am I just having my daily
>stupid attack?
>
> Ken H.
> Fargo, ND
>
>
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| From: | "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen(at)ptialaska.net> |
| Subject: | Re: smokin' the Piet |
I think guys flying open cockpit planes would appreciate cleaner air more
than most. Flying out of Kay Larken Airport in FL, the only good open
(meaning not a swamp) practice areas are a little north of the airport, and
not too far north due to the NAS in Jacksonville. Unfortunate one of the
biggest power plants in FL is upwind from this area. Seminole Power does a
great job with coal smoke scrubbers, FL needs the power, but the
yellow/brown coal fired smoky haze is still there. You gotta fly right thru
it, at just about the perfect altitude to get it's full affect, low and
slows like the Piete can't climb over and it takes 30 min. flying time to go
around it. Just my soap box opinion, but I think since we as rec. pilots
are burning hydrocarbons just for enjoying the pure fun of flying. We
should think twice about burning additional hydrocarbons just for the pure
joy of making smoke rings in the air, know it ain't much but every bit
contributes to the problem, we owe it to our grandchildren to leave them a
little better place.
Gordon
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From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 5:21 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: smokin' the Piet
>
>
> Speaking of smoke, at SWRFI this past weekend they were handing out copies
> of the little info-newspaper that were leftover from SnF. Mostly
> advertising but a few articles. One of the articles was from a guy with
> one of the oil companies (Shell?), about smoke oil. It was all about
> selecting an oil to use so I expected to read good stuff in there but it
> ended up being all about additives in oil, leftover product getting into
> the oil, harming the environment and spectators, liability, all that
> stuff.
>
> Honestly, I had never heard or read about anyone ever being harmed by
> airshow smoke but there's a new one for you! What are we coming to now?
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair powered Piet |
| From: | hvandervoo(at)aol.com |
Oscar, Rob,
link to my website with some pictures
http://www.hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/indexfront.html
Hans
-----Original Message-----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 8:10 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair powered Piet
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Hans got away from me ;o) I believe there are some photos of William Wynne's
Piet over on Chris Tracy's excellent photo archive site and I have always f
elt that William executed the Corvair/Piet the way I would do it... clean an
d smooth. I know that the original Corvair/Piet as done by Mr. Pietenpol has
the rounded and somewhat bulbous nose with short stacks out the side, but I
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| Subject: | Not Peit Related (very closely anyway) |
| From: | "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu> |
Too my many friends and associates,
Saturday June 2, 2007 about 8:30am
Stinson Voyager NC9406K took to the skies for the first time in 37 years
after a six year reconstruction from the ground up. The flight lasted
about 40 minutes. I had two discrepancies during the flight that were
corrected. First was an airspeed indicator with erroneous readings, and
the second was a lack of adequate nose-down trim. Both problems were
diagnosed and corrected before the second flight. GPS groundspeed in
cruise is about 125mph. Trim and handling is silky smooth. Fuel burn
is estimated at about 11 gph, and expected to drop after the engine is
broken-in. I hope to get air-to-air formation pictures with my
pietnepol. There is another 'Big E' airplane in the air! Now to decide
which to fly!
Thanks for the support and interest over the years of restoration!
Steve Eldredge
97' Aircamper
47' Stinson 108-2
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| From: | slowbilder(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Test for Ethanol in Gasoline |
Can somebody tell me how the test for ethanol in gas works? I seem to recall
that it is a matter of dropping some water into the gas and seeing if it disappears.
Is that correct? If so how long does one have to wait for the disappearance?
Thanks
Bob Humbert
Battle Creek, MI
N491RH
Close to first flight
Can somebody tell me how the test for ethanol in gas works? I
seem to recall that it is a matter of dropping some water into the gas and seeing
if it disappears. Is that correct? If so how long does one have
to wait for the disappearance?
Thanks
Bob Humbert
Battle Creek, MI
N491RH
Close to first flight
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| From: | "DJ Vegh" <dj(at)veghdesign.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Test for Ethanol in Gasoline |
not quite that simple but almost.
get a glass jar of known capacity. mark a line at 10% volume. fill to
that line with water. fill the rest with fuel you wish to test.
close jar and shake it. let it settle down. If there is any alchohol
product in the fuel it will blend with the water and there will be a
separation line higher than the 10% mark. If there is no alchohol in
the fuel it will remain at 10% line.
I haven't tried this method yet but plan to this week. My Taylorcraft
can burn mogas but here in Phx, AZ we have ethanol from November to
March. I know it's June but who knows what's still in the pipelines and
tanks.......
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: slowbilder(at)comcast.net
To: Piet Group
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Test for Ethanol in Gasoline
Can somebody tell me how the test for ethanol in gas works? I seem
to recall that it is a matter of dropping some water into the gas and
seeing if it disappears. Is that correct? If so how long does one have
to wait for the disappearance?
Thanks
Bob Humbert
Battle Creek, MI
N491RH
Close to first flight
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| From: | "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com> |
Sounds like the Pilot is ok. Anyone we know here...?
http://www.mercedsunstar.com/local/story/13653278p-14246623c.html
"Aviation enthusiasts honored one of their own whose plane crashed on the way to
the show Friday morning.
Lennert Von Clemm escaped with minor injuries when the 1929 Pietenpol Air Camper
he was piloting crashed upside down into a field at White Crane Road and Hull
Avenue in Atwater. It experienced engine trouble just before the crash.
The plane belongs to the Wings of History Museum in San Martin and sustained $7,000
to $8,000 damage, according to Robin Reid of San Jose.
Volunteers finished restoration of the plane the day before Easter and it will
take the good part of a year to reassemble the craft, Reid said.
The wrecked Pietenpol was placed on a truck-trailer and taken to the airshow where
it received the Static Display award."
Patrick
601XL/Corvair
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116529#116529
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| Subject: | Re: Test for Ethanol in Gasoline |
In a message dated 6/4/2007 6:50:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
slowbilder(at)comcast.net writes:
Can somebody tell me how the test for ethanol in gas works?
Bob,
I use the fuel tester that I carry onboard to check for water before every
flight. Before adding the MoGas to the airplane fuel tank, I always test for
alcohol. My tester has a little plastic thing in it, to open the sump valve, so
I have to pull it out to test for alcohol in the fuel. I have a small file /
paint mark at 10%, and put exactly that much water in it. Then fill it up
with fuel up to the 100% file / paint mark. Put my thumb over the end and shake
vigorously. If there is alcohol in the fuel, the water line will increase,
and actually see 3 distinct levels of stuff in the tester. Takes less than a
minute.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Engine out.....some interesting info |
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Below cut and pasted directly from the Wings of History Museum web
pages:
http://www.wingsofhistory.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id
29&Itemid=0
At the time I took on the engine portion of the project, the Ford model
B was completely assembled and mounted on a homemade test stand. It was
supposed to be ready for initial runup and operation. The only problem
was that the force needed to make the crankshaft turn was excessive in
the extreme. The expected force needed to rotate the crankshaft should
be 30-35 foot pounds, without spark plugs installed, maybe 40 ft-pounds
maximum. The source of this torque number is the model A engine
builder's bible: "Model A Ford mechanics handbook" by Les Andrews
(page1-143). Conservatively, the torque needed to make the crank turn
was ten times the proper torque for the newly assembled four banger.
Some thought that the newly honed cylinders were part of the problem and
others thought the Babbitt bearings needed breaking in. Several people
thought we should disassemble the engine and find the cause of the
problem. I sided with the last group.
In addition to the problem of rotating the engine components, I could
not locate any documentation that listed what had been done to the
engine over the past five years that it was being worked on. I could
find no written record of who had performed the various tasks and what
tolerances were measured or machined. My conclusion was that without
that documentation, even if the engine were ready to operate, the museum
would not know the initial condition of the engine and what to look for
in the way of wear and tear further down the road. Also, since this
engine is a museum piece, documentation of the restoration effort is
part of the provenance of the Pietenpol.
Being new-kid-on-the-block, so to speak, and not being a model B expert,
I was hesitant to force the disassembly of the engine. Besides, I didn't
have a plan for how the engine could be made reliable, reassembled, and
documented.
At this point in the story, a helping hand appeared. One of our
respected board members, Larry Stephen, has a neighbor, a professional
engine mechanic, who has rebuilt engines of various types. Mr. Stephen
convinced him to assist us in getting the Pietenpol engine into running
condition and documented. The engine expert, Jason Colby, is very
interested in flying and in helping with the model B project.
As luck would have it, Jason appeared at the clubhouse on the one day in
October when I drove down to have lunch and discuss the fate of the
model B engine. He agreed with me that the engine should be
disassembled. That afternoon, Jason, Dick Denesha, and I completely
disassembled the engine and learned that the crankshaft main bearing
tolerances were not correct (too tight) and it was not clear if the
crank bearings were properly align bored or if the crank was straight or
if the main babbitt bearings were truly round.
All these items needed to be checked as a very minimum and many more
checks needed to be done to insure a reliable engine for the Pietenpol.
My goal is to have an engine that will be reliable not for 30 to 70
hours TBO (the original Ford babbitt bearing engine) but will last for
300 to 500 hours TBO! Jason had many good ideas regarding how we should
achieve this and they all sounded good to me. I must say that at this
point, I didn't know much about the model B engine and so I resolved to
come up to speed so I could understand the value of Jason's suggestions.
I spent many hours over several days researching and learning about
engines and Pietenpols. The internet is a wonderful resource and has
many pages of information on every aspect of model A and B engine
restoration, engine modification, history, parts availability, and
machine shops.
After much study and discussion with Jason and different machine shops,
the following is a list of some of the things were done to the internal
workings of our model B.
Magnaflux the crank and block and pressure test block.
- Installation of modern insert bearings for the crank mains and the
rods. No more babbitt bearings!
- Installation of stainless steel valves and one piece guides and new
seats.
- Crankshaft grinding and balancing.
- Rod balancing.
- Billet aluminum cam gear and matching steel crankshaft gear. No more
fiber cam gear.
-Reassemble and document machining and the tolerances for the engine.
These modifications are performed regularly on model A and B auto
engines so that they can reliably cruise the freeways at 65 mph for
hours on end. 50,000 miles between engine overhauls is not uncommon for
cars with these engines. There are two or three shops around the country
that specialize in the model A and B and have developed standard
procedures for modernizing the internal workings of the engine to
provide the reliability we want. I checked out several shops and
determined the average cost of incorporating these changes.
I then chose the machine shop that was going to do the work. This
particular shop is relatively near (its in California) and has been
restoring, modifying, and racing model A and B engines for forty years.
They do exclusively Ford antique engines including some Pietenpol
engines. The company is H&H Antique Engine in La Crescenta, near
Pasadena.
Its interesting to note that when John and I delivered the engine parts
to H&H, they took one look at our block and stated that it is a Russian
made block! The clues to this discovery lie in the crudeness of the
casting. Things such as visible parting lines, injection sprues, head
and block extend beyond the head gasket, all tell the tale.
How did the Russians come to build model A and B engines? After some
research, the following was learned:
Mister Stalin, in order to help revive the ailing 1930s Russian economy
and create a high volume car and truck manufacturing capability,
commissioned the Austin engineering consulting company of Cleveland,
Ohio, to build a replica of the Ford Dearborn plant in Novgorod, 250
miles east of Moscow. This site was chosen because of the proximity of a
steel plant, forest (wood), water, and available workers. The plant was
built in a period of 18 months including facilities to house 35,000
plant workers! The Ford company, also trying to recover from the 1929
depression, licensed the Ford model A and B car design and the model AA
truck design To the Russians and seeded the operation with $30,000,000
(1930 dollars) worth of tooling, engine, and chassis components. The
Russian built Fords were named GAZ (Gorkovsky Avtomobilny Zavod) for
Gorky automobile plant. These cars and trucks were produced until 1960.
How did a Russian engine block come to be part of our Pietenpol
package?? This is the part of the provenance that will be the most
difficult to learn. Can anyone can help us find this information?
My next article will detail the final assembly of the model B and, if
the planets are in the right alignment, the mounting of the finished
engine on the Pietenpol airframe.
I welcome any and all help and support.
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| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
"Crashed upside down"-? If it was what happened to 41CC (nose-over), I can
relate ;o) It can be repaired, the airplane will live to fly again, and it
won't cost $7,000 to $8,000 to repair. Especially if there are Piet lovers
involved to lend a hand.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Dave Abramson" <davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com> |
| Subject: | Elv and rudder hinges |
Hello Group,
Can anyone direct me to a source to purchase Elevator and rudder hinges for
my Piet? Was thinking of making some in Aluminum...
Thanks in advance!
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Down
"Crashed upside down"-? If it was what happened to 41CC (nose-over), I can
relate ;o) It can be repaired, the airplane will live to fly again, and it
won't cost $7,000 to $8,000 to repair. Especially if there are Piet lovers
involved to lend a hand.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen(at)ptialaska.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Test for Ethanol in Gasoline |
Pour a little water into a clear container with your suspect fuel. The
water will immediately dissolve in the 10% alcohol/gas mixture leaving
no residual water layer on bottom of container. In normal AV-fuel the
fuel separates from the water leaving the water on the bottom. Alcohol
and MEK are two additives in the stuff sold at stores to prevent the
dreaded "fuel line freeze-up"
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: slowbilder(at)comcast.net
To: Piet Group
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 3:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Test for Ethanol in Gasoline
Can somebody tell me how the test for ethanol in gas works? I seem
to recall that it is a matter of dropping some water into the gas and
seeing if it disappears. Is that correct? If so how long does one have
to wait for the disappearance?
Thanks
Bob Humbert
Battle Creek, MI
N491RH
Close to first flight
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Scott Knowlton" <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Elv and rudder hinges |
Dave
An awesome weekend at Broadhead and forty bucks will get you a set of nicely
cast aluminium hinges from Vi Kapler. Make sure you have a few Pietenpol
technical questions and the transaction will be a bargain at twice the
price!!
Scott Knowlton
>From: "Dave Abramson" <davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elv and rudder hinges
>Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:28:37 -0700
>
>
>
>Hello Group,
>
>Can anyone direct me to a source to purchase Elevator and rudder hinges for
>my Piet? Was thinking of making some in Aluminum...
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Dave
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
>Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:57 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Down
>
>
>
>"Crashed upside down"-? If it was what happened to 41CC (nose-over), I can
>relate ;o) It can be repaired, the airplane will live to fly again, and it
>won't cost $7,000 to $8,000 to repair. Especially if there are Piet lovers
>involved to lend a hand.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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| From: | "Dave Abramson" <davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com> |
| Subject: | Elv and rudder hinges |
Hi Scott!
I am out here in sunny Ca. and my work schedule will not permit me to attend
Broadhead. I will take a vacation once my plane is finished, and fly it
there one day! Will might take more than 1 day)
Do you have any contact info for Vi? Thanks!
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott
Knowlton
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:53 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Elv and rudder hinges
Dave
An awesome weekend at Broadhead and forty bucks will get you a set of nicely
cast aluminium hinges from Vi Kapler. Make sure you have a few Pietenpol
technical questions and the transaction will be a bargain at twice the
price!!
Scott Knowlton
>From: "Dave Abramson" <davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elv and rudder hinges
>Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:28:37 -0700
>
>
>
>Hello Group,
>
>Can anyone direct me to a source to purchase Elevator and rudder hinges for
>my Piet? Was thinking of making some in Aluminum...
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Dave
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
>Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:57 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Down
>
>
>
>"Crashed upside down"-? If it was what happened to 41CC (nose-over), I can
>relate ;o) It can be repaired, the airplane will live to fly again, and it
>won't cost $7,000 to $8,000 to repair. Especially if there are Piet lovers
>involved to lend a hand.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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| From: | "Scott Knowlton" <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Elv and rudder hinges |
This was on his business card two years ago. I'm sure it is the same now.
I think you would do best to have someone buy them for you from Vi at
Broadhead, but failing that you could try to contact him and order them.
Best of luck.
Scott Knowlton
Vitalis Kapler
1033 Forest Hill Dr. SW
Rochester, MN 55902
His phone number is 507 288 3322
>From: "Dave Abramson" <davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Elv and rudder hinges
>Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:51:02 -0700
>
>
>
>Hi Scott!
>
>I am out here in sunny Ca. and my work schedule will not permit me to
>attend
>Broadhead. I will take a vacation once my plane is finished, and fly it
>there one day! Will might take more than 1 day)
>
>Do you have any contact info for Vi? Thanks!
>
>Dave
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott
>Knowlton
>Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:53 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Elv and rudder hinges
>
>
>
>Dave
>
>An awesome weekend at Broadhead and forty bucks will get you a set of
>nicely
>cast aluminium hinges from Vi Kapler. Make sure you have a few Pietenpol
>technical questions and the transaction will be a bargain at twice the
>price!!
>
>Scott Knowlton
>
> >From: "Dave Abramson" <davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com>
> >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >To:
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elv and rudder hinges
> >Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:28:37 -0700
> >
> >
> >
> >Hello Group,
> >
> >Can anyone direct me to a source to purchase Elevator and rudder hinges
>for
> >my Piet? Was thinking of making some in Aluminum...
> >
> >Thanks in advance!
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar
>Zuniga
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:57 AM
> >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Down
> >
> >
> >
> >"Crashed upside down"-? If it was what happened to 41CC (nose-over), I
>can
> >relate ;o) It can be repaired, the airplane will live to fly again, and
>it
> >won't cost $7,000 to $8,000 to repair. Especially if there are Piet
>lovers
> >involved to lend a hand.
> >
> >Oscar Zuniga
> >San Antonio, TX
> >mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Where do I go? |
| From: | bscott116(at)aol.com |
go to FAA website, fill out form and send them $2
-----Original Message-----
From: walt evans <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Sat, 12 May 2007 2:07 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Where do I go?
My PPSEL license had been resting comfortably in my wallet for 41 years. Just today
a friend showed me his new Sport Pilot card, which looks like my new digitalized
drivers license.
Where to go to get an up to date copy?
Thanks
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
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| From: | Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Test for Ethanol in Gasoline |
Typically, aren't you advised to shake the container after adding
water to mix the water and fuel? Then if the water separates out of
the fuel, in the same volume ratio (water:fuel) as it was previously,
it is OK. If it doesn't separate completely, the water has been
partially absorbed by alcohol, so the fuel should not be used in an
airplane.
Somebody tell me if I'm wrong.
Steve Ruse
Quoting Gordon Bowen :
> Pour a little water into a clear container with your suspect fuel.
> The water will immediately dissolve in the 10% alcohol/gas mixture
> leaving no residual water layer on bottom of container. In normal
> AV-fuel the fuel separates from the water leaving the water on the
> bottom. Alcohol and MEK are two additives in the stuff sold at
> stores to prevent the dreaded "fuel line freeze-up"
> Gordon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: slowbilder(at)comcast.net
> To: Piet Group
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 3:46 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Test for Ethanol in Gasoline
>
>
> Can somebody tell me how the test for ethanol in gas works? I
> seem to recall that it is a matter of dropping some water into the
> gas and seeing if it disappears. Is that correct? If so how long
> does one have to wait for the disappearance?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob Humbert
> Battle Creek, MI
> N491RH
> Close to first flight
>
>
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Sure thing, Gordon......I'll stop using smoke in my Piet as soon as
China and India stop belching
1970's level crap into the atmosphere that we've cleaned up...mostly.
Mike C.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Smoke oil is mineral oil. They use it for lubricating cast iron
skillets in cooking, for wooden utensils and cutting board conditioning.
Mineral oil is used in food processing equipment since you can ingest
small quantities with only a case of the runs....they use it to
lubricate (older model) dentist drills, mineral oil is used to treat dry
skin conditions or soften up leather. Breathing raw mist isn't good
for you (but then no mist oil is good to breathe) but burned it does
what it is meant to do----make non-toxic white smoke.
MATERIAL IDENTITY: CANOPUS(r) 13 PRODUCT CODES: 00519 COMPANY ADDRESS:
Equilon Enterprises LLC, P. O. Box 4453, Houston, TX. -- 100 %weight
Mineral Oil 64742-55-8 100 %weight Hydrotreated light paraffinic
distillate. OVERVIEW Appearance & Odor: Pale liquid Petroleum oil odor.
May cause aspiration pneumonitis. Physical Hazards: No known physical
hazards. NFPA Rating (Health, Fire, Reactivity): 0, 1, 0 Hazard Rating:
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Sheet Metal Work |
Pieters, I need your help finding some one (shop or private) who has an
English Wheel and would do some work for ole Corky, cash included.
The cowling on N47309, the Aeronca L-3 (T-65 Defender) has many dimples and
scars from the 65 yrs of it's life and I would like to give it a new face for
the future. There is not an English Wheel in this area 250K population unless
it be some secret builders of custom motorcycles etc who are not the type to
approach. I would like to appeal to you to help me find someone within
driving distance who I might get to help. Not too much work just the sides of
the
lower cowl panels and the nose of the top cowl.
In advance
Thanks
Corky
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | "GlennThomas(at)flyingwood.com" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sheet Metal Work |
I looked at one on Harbor Freight and still think about getting it just
to learn how to use one. It seemed relatively cheap. Only about
$250.00. Comes with anvil wheel but the various radiused wheels are
sold separately for about $90.00. I know you probably meant someone who
would do the work for you. Harbor Frieght shipping for that would be
$11.99. Don't know how good it is but it's probably good enough.
Tell you what... You get and I'll pay you full price for it when your
done!
Glenn W. Thomas
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sheet Metal Work
Pieters, I need your help finding some one (shop or private) who has
an English Wheel and would do some work for ole Corky, cash included.
The cowling on N47309, the Aeronca L-3 (T-65 Defender) has many
dimples and scars from the 65 yrs of it's life and I would like to give
it a new face for the future. There is not an English Wheel in this area
250K population unless it be some secret builders of custom motorcycles
etc who are not the type to approach. I would like to appeal to you to
help me find someone within driving distance who I might get to help.
Not too much work just the sides of the lower cowl panels and the nose
of the top cowl.
In advance
Thanks
Corky
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Sheet Metal Work |
You're on. I'll be at harbor freight early tomorrow morning, save the box to
ship to you later on.
Corky
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | "Graham and Robyn" <grhewitt(at)globaldial.com> |
| Subject: | Re Elevator cables |
Any thoughts/advice on this would be appreciated.
Does the tension vary between upper & lower cables at full deflection?
If so can this be avoided.
Any way of stopping the top cable from rubbing on the L,E of tail plane?
Had considered raising the height of the bell crank in fuse but this
could gear down the amount of travel avail for the elevtor.
Thanks Graham
fuse 75% tail surfaces 100% has taken 10 months
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| From: | "Roman Bukolt" <conceptmodels(at)tds.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Re Elevator cables |
If you look carefully, you can see that my top elevator cables come out
of the top of the fuselage.
I have way more than enough throw.
Roman NX20795
----- Original Message -----
From: Graham and Robyn
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 6:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Elevator cables
Any thoughts/advice on this would be appreciated.
Does the tension vary between upper & lower cables at full deflection?
If so can this be avoided.
Any way of stopping the top cable from rubbing on the L,E of tail
plane?
Had considered raising the height of the bell crank in fuse but this
could gear down the amount of travel avail for the elevtor.
Thanks Graham
fuse 75% tail surfaces 100% has taken 10 months
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet Metal Work |
| From: | "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com> |
Atta boy Corky!
You're always up for a challenge. Check out http://www.metalshapers.com
I spent a few nights there admiring an art that few people even recognize. I just went to that site and got redirected to http://www.allshops.org/ so something must have changed recently.
It's a very good source of information on tucking, shrinking, doing compound curves,
shows where to separate pieces and then weld, etc. and anything else you
could possibly do to sheet metal. You sound like you just want to even out
some dings, so it shouldn't take that long. I'll start preparing a spot for
it!! Even if I don't use it on the Piet, I'll use it for something, if only to
play with it for a while. I'm a woodworker, machinist, welder, metal fabricator
trapped in a software engineer's body.
...or you might become the new English Wheel guy of Shreveport. So much for being
retired!
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116789#116789
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| From: | "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen(at)ptialaska.net> |
| Subject: | Re: India and China |
There's a pretty easy way to cut back on China belching out coal smoke, quit
shopping at Kmart, Walmart, Home Depot, Sears, etc., etc. We all have to do
a little, if you gotta smoke your Piete, you gotta. On a per capital basis
we (Americans) are still the sad leaders in using up the hydrocarbons and
putting them back in the atmosphere, it's an individual choice that
eventually will be changed for us. Soooooo, Smok'em while you still got'em.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:39 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: India and China
>
>
>
> Sure thing, Gordon......I'll stop using smoke in my Piet as soon as
> China and India stop belching
> 1970's level crap into the atmosphere that we've cleaned up...mostly.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
>
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| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Graham wrote:
>Does the tension vary between upper & lower cables at full deflection?
It sure does on 41CC. Matter of fact, the A&P who did the last annual on it
got worried about it and wanted me to take out the "slack" on the lower
cable. That is, until I pointed out to him that this was normal and if I
took out the slack when the elevator was in one position, the cable would be
overly tensioned when in the other.
>If so can this be avoided.
Yes; change the geometry of the elevator "idler" bellcrank behind the seat
as well as the relative lengths of the bellcrank arms with respect to the
bellcrank on the elevator. John Dilatush did this on "Mountain Piet" and
the cables maintain an even tension throughout the full range of travel,
both ways. You can see this in the second photo up from the bottom (and its
caption) here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/John_piet.html
>Any way of stopping the top cable from rubbing on the L,E of tail plane?
See answer to above question ;o) However, it's only a perceived defect or
flaw. In operation, everything works just fine and slipping a piece of
aquarium air hose over the cable where it touches the LE of the horizontal
stabilizer, or applying some clear leading edge tape to the HS, will allay
your fears and protect the LE paint and fabric if that's what you're worried
about. 41CC has neither and is none the worse for wear so far. A picture
of the setup on 41CC, with the elevator in the 'up' position (lower cable
fully in tension, no slack) is at the 4th photo from the bottom here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/incident/incident.html
>Had considered raising the height of the bell crank in fuse but
>this could gear down the amount of travel avail for the elevtor.
It really isn't a problem and everything will work fine if you just build it
to the plans. That is, unless you're an engineer (like John Dilatush), a
perfectionist, a tinkerer, or just don't like for a classic 4-bar linkage to
operate with one of the linkages slack ;o)
What's funny is that it is so easy to say all this stuff now that I have an
airplane to fly. Back before I did, I'd worry and fret and fuss and think
and sketch and build cardboard and string and popsicle stick parts (all of
which are good things to do, mind you), but now when I read about somebody
fretting about things like this when they could have already completed the
part and gotten it covered, getting them that much closer to actually
flying, I want to say the same thing everybody told me back then: "just
hurry up and build it, because flying these airplanes is so much fun!"
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | One or the Othet? |
Sheet metal Pieters,
These questions are addressed primarily to you. I am before building a new
cowling for my Aeronca. The right and left lower panels have compound curves,
not sharp, but about 1 1/2 feet by 1 ft. Would an English Wheel or a Pneumatic
Plainishing Hammer be the best tool? This is a new field and I would like
some help and advice.
Corky
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | Larry Nelson <lnelson208(at)yahoo.com> |
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economy) at Yahoo! Games.
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| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | off topic: Davis plans wanted |
If anybody has a set of plans for the Davis DA-2 that they want to sell,
please contact me off-net.
Thanks.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: off topic: Davis plans wanted |
I think I have what you are looking for. I'll send them today if you give me
a mailing address. Gratus too.
Corky, the guy in Louisiana with all YOUR money in his bank.
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: off topic: Davis plans wanted |
Sorry Oscar,
After looking I find these prints to be for a Bakeng Duece not a Davis-2.
Sorry. If you want these let me know and I'll send them
Corky
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | "Richard and Kathryn Davis" <kbrooks(at)aptalaska.net> |
I am looking for a set of plans for a set of Bakeng Duece plans
hopefully some one will have a set to sell I have a partially built one
I purchased years ago at a swap meet in Maine before I came to Alaska
now my son back in Maine wants to finish but no plans. Thanks for any
help or a point in the right direction. Richard Davis in Tok Alaska
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
Richard,
I have some sheets of plans for the Bakeng Duece, don't know if they are
complete but I'd be happy to send you what I have. Give me a name and address.
Corky
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
I'm ready to order stock for my cabane struts and I am still unsure what size most
everyone is using.
My questions are....Does anyone know what size 1667 streamlined tubing was in the
old days, as specified on Bernards plans?
There have been references to the use of 1.685 x 0.714 tubing, but what about 1.349
x 0.571? Would the smaller size be OK strength wise? There sure is a difference
cost wise!!!!!
I don't want to use aluminum, and would prefer not to use round tubing and fair
it out. What has everyone else been doing? I don't want to reinvent the wheel.
Thanks,
Rick Schreiber
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| From: | santiago morete <moretesantiago(at)yahoo.com.ar> |
I have seen old references in the archives to army surplus mags (Slick 4220). I
am wondering if somebody has an extra one for sale. mm?
Saludos
Santiago
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| From: | hvandervoo(at)aol.com |
Rick,
I used 1.685 X 0.714 X 049 for the cabane struts and
2.023 X 0.857 X 049 for Wingstruts.
If cost is an issue, try using the normal round tubing.
You can squeeze the ends to fit longeron dimensions
Hans
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 4:46 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane size
I'm ready to order stock for my cabane struts and I am still unsure what siz
e
ost everyone is using.
My questions are....Does anyone know what size 1667 streamlined tubing was i
n
he old days, as specified on Bernards plans?
There have been references to the use of 1.685 x 0.714 tubing, but what abou
t
.349 x 0.571? Would the smaller size be OK strength wise? There sure is a
ifference cost wise!!!!!
I don't want to use aluminum, and would prefer not to use round tubing and f
air
t out. What has everyone else been doing? I don't want to reinvent the wheel
.
Thanks,
ick Schreiber
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| From: | "Scott Schreiber" <got22b(at)subarubrat.com> |
Rick, I will be home later tonight and I will look at mine as well as the
plans.
-Scott Schreiber
I know, what are the odds of two guys with the name Schreiber working on the
same plane....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane size
>
>
> I'm ready to order stock for my cabane struts and I am still unsure what
> size most everyone is using.
>
> My questions are....Does anyone know what size 1667 streamlined tubing was
> in the old days, as specified on Bernards plans?
>
> There have been references to the use of 1.685 x 0.714 tubing, but what
> about 1.349 x 0.571? Would the smaller size be OK strength wise? There
> sure is a difference cost wise!!!!!
>
> I don't want to use aluminum, and would prefer not to use round tubing and
> fair it out. What has everyone else been doing? I don't want to reinvent
> the wheel.
>
> Thanks,
> Rick Schreiber
>
>
>
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| From: | "Terry Hall" <adaairport(at)cableone.net> |
Hello all,
Does anyone know the VNE on the Sky Scout? I cannot find the number
anywhere in the material that I have.
Thanks,
Terry Hall
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| From: | "Jim Cooper" <blugoos1(at)hughes.net> |
| Subject: | piano hinge for aileron |
What size piano hinge is commonly used to attach the aileron on the
Pietenpol? Thanks, Jim Cooper
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| From: | "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu> |
I still have two in a box that I never used.
Steve(at)byu.edu
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of santiago
morete
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Magneto
I have seen old references in the archives to army surplus mags (Slick
4220). I am wondering if somebody has an extra one for sale. mm?
Saludos
Santiago
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| From: | "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: piano hinge for aileron |
Jim
I ended up using the 3/4" stuff. Then the other thing to decide is to go
with the extruded aluminum hinge or the cheaper stuff. I went with the
extruded and have since seen both types on Piets and have been told by the
old timers that its not necessary. You will find some discussion in the
archives about that subject. Attached a couple of pictures of mine done
using the "Cuy" methodology using blind nuts.
Rick
On 6/8/07, Jim Cooper wrote:
>
> What size piano hinge is commonly used to attach the aileron on the
> Pietenpol? Thanks, Jim Cooper
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| From: | "Scott Schreiber" <got22b(at)subarubrat.com> |
The plans give you the length of the cabanes as you know, but leave out some
minor details like size and wall thickness. Based on the dimensions of the
other parts in the drawing I came out with 1.25 x .5 with 1.349X.571X049
from wicks aircraft being the closest match. It was available in .049 and I
think .035. The weight difference was minor so I went with the .049. It
looks so small when you get it in person, the ones on other peoples planes
look twice as large in the pictures. Not having specs lets your mind run
wild. The same with the lift struts. I have seen so many sizes, aluminum,
steel, you name it. In the end I went with aluminum in a larger size. For
what it's worth Wicks and another site both reccomended it for the Piet.
What I chose was:
6061-T6 STRUT/10-1/2' EXTRUDED 6061-T6 ALUMINUM STRUT Stock 10 foot 6 inch
lengths major axis 3.13, minor axis 1.25, wall .065, flat ID 1.006-1.014,
flat length .88, wt. 604lb p/ft . Ultimate 23,268 psi, yield Sold only in 10
ft 6 inch lengths. Used for struts in Pietenpol, Fisher, CGS Hawk, floats,
Light Minature Aircraft. SOLD IN FULL LENGTHS ONLY.
SKU: STR31-12-6
Our Price: $94.50 (that is per strut)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane size
>
>
> I'm ready to order stock for my cabane struts and I am still unsure what
> size most everyone is using.
>
> My questions are....Does anyone know what size 1667 streamlined tubing was
> in the old days, as specified on Bernards plans?
>
> There have been references to the use of 1.685 x 0.714 tubing, but what
> about 1.349 x 0.571? Would the smaller size be OK strength wise? There
> sure is a difference cost wise!!!!!
>
> I don't want to use aluminum, and would prefer not to use round tubing and
> fair it out. What has everyone else been doing? I don't want to reinvent
> the wheel.
>
> Thanks,
> Rick Schreiber
>
>
>
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| From: | "Chet's Mail" <Chethartley1(at)mchsi.com> |
I might be interested in one of the Mags.
Chethartley1(at)mchsi.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Eldredge
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Magneto
I still have two in a box that I never used.
Steve(at)byu.edu
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of santiago
morete
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:28 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Magneto
I have seen old references in the archives to army surplus mags (Slick
4220). I am wondering if somebody has an extra one for sale. mm?
Saludos
Santiago
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| From: | "pietflyr" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | piano hinge for aileron |
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| From: | "Jim Cooper" <blugoos1(at)hughes.net> |
| Subject: | Piano hinge for aileron |
Thanks, Rick. Your response answers our question. Also heard from Corky,
who is going to visit next Thursday. Also my partner, Tom Schildt, and I
have been looking at the Mike Cuy tape, so we now have the direction we
need. Thanks also to the Pietenpol List Digest. What a great service it
is !! Jim Cooper
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| From: | "Richard and Kathryn Davis" <kbrooks(at)aptalaska.net> |
Will these work on a Lycoming 0235 C if they will and you haven't sold
them what would you want for the pair.
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory |
Isabelle frequently asks where some Pieter lives when I mention something
said or done on this list. I always have to say, " dang if I know". So I'm
starting with this e mail to create some sort of directory. At least list your
name, status of your aircraft, and city and state. If you desire to disclose
more info thats your business. At least let it be known whether you're yank,
reb, or californian type. If this e mail has no more than one name during the
next week I'll get the message.
Claude M Corbett, "Corky" "Nathan" "Levi" Refurbishing a complete
Aeronca L-3 65TAC
625 Pierremont Rd Defender.
Shreveport, La 71106
2.
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roman Bukolt" <conceptmodels(at)tds.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
2. Roman Bukolt Pietenpol air Camper partially
built in my basement.
6505 Urich Terrace Fuse about 80% done. Also
rebuilding a Corvair motor
Madison, wi. 53719 Meanwhile I bought and am flying a
1990 Pietenpol NX20795
conceptmodels(at)tds.net mentioned in Chet Peeks book, built by
Ray Hill and wife.
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 5:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Isabelle frequently asks where some Pieter lives when I mention
something said or done on this list. I always have to say, " dang if I
know". So I'm starting with this e mail to create some sort of
directory. At least list your name, status of your aircraft, and city
and state. If you desire to disclose more info thats your business. At
least let it be known whether you're yank, reb, or californian type. If
this e mail has no more than one name during the next week I'll get the
message.
Claude M Corbett, "Corky" "Nathan" "Levi" Refurbishing a
complete Aeronca L-3 65TAC
625 Pierremont Rd
Defender.
Shreveport, La 71106
2.
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory |
| From: | <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca> |
Harvey Rule located in Ottawa ,Ontario,Canada(ultra
yank)Grega/Pietenpol;80 hp Franklin;2 hrs on plane so far(hope to put
more on soon).Plane up for sale right now for 20500 cnd(flexible)
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roman
Bukolt
Sent: June 9, 2007 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
2. Roman Bukolt Pietenpol air Camper partially
built in my basement.
6505 Urich Terrace Fuse about 80% done. Also
rebuilding a Corvair motor
Madison, wi. 53719 Meanwhile I bought and am flying a
1990 Pietenpol NX20795
conceptmodels(at)tds.net mentioned in Chet Peeks book, built by
Ray Hill and wife.
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 5:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Isabelle frequently asks where some Pieter lives when I mention
something said or done on this list. I always have to say, " dang if I
know". So I'm starting with this e mail to create some sort of
directory. At least list your name, status of your aircraft, and city
and state. If you desire to disclose more info thats your business. At
least let it be known whether you're yank, reb, or californian type. If
this e mail has no more than one name during the next week I'll get the
message.
Claude M Corbett, "Corky" "Nathan" "Levi"
Refurbishing a complete Aeronca L-3 65TAC
625 Pierremont Rd
Defender.
Shreveport, La 71106
2.
________________________________
See what's free at AOL.com
<http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503> .
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
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onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Gene Pennington
2710 Old Hwy 69
Camden, Tennessee (also known as the center of the universe)
Pietenpol Air Camper with a completely rebuilt yellow taged A 65 that
will soon be sporting new eyebrows made by no other than Claude M
Corbett (aka Corky) and a new 74 X 38 Struba prop. Will be flying again
as soon as the W & B is completed. Due to lack of time will probably
"fly" my Gold Wing to BroadHead next month.-- Original Message -----
From: harvey.rule(at)bell.ca
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:33 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Harvey Rule located in Ottawa ,Ontario,Canada(ultra
yank)Grega/Pietenpol;80 hp Franklin;2 hrs on plane so far(hope to put
more on soon).Plane up for sale right now for 20500 cnd(flexible)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roman
Bukolt
Sent: June 9, 2007 7:25 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
2. Roman Bukolt Pietenpol air Camper partially
built in my basement.
6505 Urich Terrace Fuse about 80% done. Also
rebuilding a Corvair motor
Madison, wi. 53719 Meanwhile I bought and am flying a
1990 Pietenpol NX20795
conceptmodels(at)tds.net mentioned in Chet Peeks book, built by
Ray Hill and wife.
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 5:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Isabelle frequently asks where some Pieter lives when I mention
something said or done on this list. I always have to say, " dang if I
know". So I'm starting with this e mail to create some sort of
directory. At least list your name, status of your aircraft, and city
and state. If you desire to disclose more info thats your business. At
least let it be known whether you're yank, reb, or californian type. If
this e mail has no more than one name during the next week I'll get the
message.
Claude M Corbett, "Corky" "Nathan" "Levi" Refurbishing a
complete Aeronca L-3 65TAC
625 Pierremont Rd
Defender.
Shreveport, La 71106
2.
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6/9/2007 10:46 AM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: harvey.rule(at)bell.ca
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:33 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Harvey Rule located in Ottawa ,Ontario,Canada(ultra
yank)Grega/Pietenpol;80 hp Franklin;2 hrs on plane so far(hope to put
more on soon).Plane up for sale right now for 20500 cnd(flexible)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roman
Bukolt
Sent: June 9, 2007 7:25 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
2. Roman Bukolt Pietenpol air Camper partially
built in my basement.
6505 Urich Terrace Fuse about 80% done. Also
rebuilding a Corvair motor
Madison, wi. 53719 Meanwhile I bought and am flying a
1990 Pietenpol NX20795
conceptmodels(at)tds.net mentioned in Chet Peeks book, built by
Ray Hill and wife.
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 5:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Isabelle frequently asks where some Pieter lives when I mention
something said or done on this list. I always have to say, " dang if I
know". So I'm starting with this e mail to create some sort of
directory. At least list your name, status of your aircraft, and city
and state. If you desire to disclose more info thats your business. At
least let it be known whether you're yank, reb, or californian type. If
this e mail has no more than one name during the next week I'll get the
message.
1. Claude M Corbett, "Corky" "Nathan" "Levi" Refurbishing
a complete Aeronca L-3 65TAC
625 Pierremont Rd
Defender.
Shreveport, La 71106
2. Roman Bukolt Pietenpol air Camper partially
built in my basement.
6505 Urich Terrace Fuse about 80% done. Also
rebuilding a Corvair motor
Madison, wi. 53719 Meanwhile I bought and am flying
a 1990 Pietenpol NX20795
conceptmodels(at)tds.net mentioned in Chet Peeks book, built
by Ray Hill and wife.
3. Harvey Rule located in Ottawa ,Ontario,Canada(ultra
yank)Grega/Pietenpol;80 hp Franklin;2 hrs on plane so far(hope to put
more on soon).Plane up for sale right now for 20500 cnd(flexible)
4.Walt Evans
Fisher FFP 404 from kit
3 wotaga pass 1929
Pietenpol AirCamper from plans
Andover, nj 07821 licensed
in 2002, and flying now
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| From: | "Max Hegler" <MaxHegler(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Max Hegler
3722 John Bill Dobbins Rd.
Williamsport, TN 38487
Pietenpol Aircamper, wings, tail feathers and fuselage covered and
painted. Working on landing gear and struts and looking for a suitable
engine...
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: harvey.rule(at)bell.ca
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:33 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Harvey Rule located in Ottawa ,Ontario,Canada(ultra
yank)Grega/Pietenpol;80 hp Franklin;2 hrs on plane so far(hope to put
more on soon).Plane up for sale right now for 20500 cnd(flexible)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roman
Bukolt
Sent: June 9, 2007 7:25 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
2. Roman Bukolt Pietenpol air Camper partially
built in my basement.
6505 Urich Terrace Fuse about 80% done. Also
rebuilding a Corvair motor
Madison, wi. 53719 Meanwhile I bought and am flying
a 1990 Pietenpol NX20795
conceptmodels(at)tds.net mentioned in Chet Peeks book, built
by Ray Hill and wife.
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 5:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Isabelle frequently asks where some Pieter lives when I mention
something said or done on this list. I always have to say, " dang if I
know". So I'm starting with this e mail to create some sort of
directory. At least list your name, status of your aircraft, and city
and state. If you desire to disclose more info thats your business. At
least let it be known whether you're yank, reb, or californian type. If
this e mail has no more than one name during the next week I'll get the
message.
1. Claude M Corbett, "Corky" "Nathan" "Levi"
Refurbishing a complete Aeronca L-3 65TAC
625 Pierremont Rd
Defender.
Shreveport, La 71106
2. Roman Bukolt Pietenpol air Camper
partially built in my basement.
6505 Urich Terrace Fuse about 80% done. Also
rebuilding a Corvair motor
Madison, wi. 53719 Meanwhile I bought and am
flying a 1990 Pietenpol NX20795
conceptmodels(at)tds.net mentioned in Chet Peeks book,
built by Ray Hill and wife.
3. Harvey Rule located in Ottawa ,Ontario,Canada(ultra
yank)Grega/Pietenpol;80 hp Franklin;2 hrs on plane so far(hope to put
more on soon).Plane up for sale right now for 20500 cnd(flexible)
4.Walt Evans
Fisher FFP 404 from kit
3 wotaga pass 1929
Pietenpol AirCamper from plans
Andover, nj 07821
licensed in 2002, and flying now
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| From: | pietn38b(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Jim Ballew
Collinsville, Oklahoma
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | pietn38b(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Sorry, hit the send button to soon
Jim Ballew
Collinsville, Oklahoma
Completed a Corvair powered Piet in 1995
69" warp drive prop
Also have a Corvair powered Davis DA-2A completed in 1987
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Corky,
Here is my information for your directory:
Graham J. Hansen
Camrose, Alberta, Canada
Pietenpol CF-AUN, flying since 1970. About 767 hrs. total time.
Continental C85 engine with Colin Walker 72 x 43 wooden propeller.
Cruises at 80 mph @ 2300 RPM. A real fun machine that has provided much
enjoyment for nearly 37 years.
[I'm not a reb (though somewhat rebellious at times), yank or
Californian, but could be called a "northern nawtherner", I guess.]
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pietflyr" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory |
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| From: | "Wayne Poole" <dxechkn(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-list: Pietenpol Directory |
My address is 8465 Harold Drive in Denham Springs, Louisiana 70726. I have
a GN-1 95%complete with a Continental 0-200 and a Sensenich 72 x 44 prop. It
has a wooden fuselage and three piece wing.
Wayne Poole
dxechkn(at)earthlink.net
EarthLink Revolves Around You.
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory |
| From: | "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com> |
Jack Textor
29 SW 58th Drive
Des Moines, IA 50312
515-225-7000 wk
515-277-4173 hm
www.textors.com
Piet tail, ribs and spars done, fuselage 75%
Thanks Corky
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| From: | "Ed G." <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Ed Grentzer...3714 Desoto Blvd. Palm Harbor, Florida
34683...727-942-4213.... Pietenpol A/C, complete except for right wing,
struts, covering and paint. 80 hp Franklin 4AC176FE with 72x42 Tennessee
prop mounted and almost ready to run.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack T. Textor<mailto:jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 7:29 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Jack Textor
29 SW 58th Drive
Des Moines, IA 50312
515-225-7000 wk
515-277-4173 hm
www.textors.com<http://www.textors.com/>
Piet tail, ribs and spars done, fuselage 75%
Thanks Corky
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
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| From: | "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Dale Johnson / Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis, Minnesota
Air Camper NX18235 (one of Bernard's original n-numbers)
Long fuselage
A-65
Brakeless "Jenny" style landing gear
Climbs about 300 fpm
Cruises 75 - 80 mph
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 5:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Isabelle frequently asks where some Pieter lives when I mention
something said or done on this list. I always have to say, " dang if I
know". So I'm starting with this e mail to create some sort of
directory. At least list your name, status of your aircraft, and city
and state. If you desire to disclose more info thats your business. At
least let it be known whether you're yank, reb, or californian type. If
this e mail has no more than one name during the next week I'll get the
message.
Claude M Corbett, "Corky" "Nathan" "Levi" Refurbishing a
complete Aeronca L-3 65TAC
625 Pierremont Rd
Defender.
Shreveport, La 71106
2.
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| From: | "Mike King" <mikek120(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Mike King
P.O. Box 598
Ponder, Texas 76259
(may be moving to Corpus Christi soon)
214.905.9299
GN-1
77MK
Continental A-80
McCauley metal 69x39 prop
Flying since built in 1985
Dual controls and instruments
ELT, radio antenna, hydraulic brakes (rear only)
Three section wing with rear cutout
----- Original Message -----
From: Roman Bukolt
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
2. Roman Bukolt Pietenpol air Camper partially
built in my basement.
6505 Urich Terrace Fuse about 80% done. Also
rebuilding a Corvair motor
Madison, wi. 53719 Meanwhile I bought and am flying a
1990 Pietenpol NX20795
conceptmodels(at)tds.net mentioned in Chet Peeks book, built by
Ray Hill and wife.
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 5:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Isabelle frequently asks where some Pieter lives when I mention
something said or done on this list. I always have to say, " dang if I
know". So I'm starting with this e mail to create some sort of
directory. At least list your name, status of your aircraft, and city
and state. If you desire to disclose more info thats your business. At
least let it be known whether you're yank, reb, or californian type. If
this e mail has no more than one name during the next week I'll get the
message.
Claude M Corbett, "Corky" "Nathan" "Levi" Refurbishing a
complete Aeronca L-3 65TAC
625 Pierremont Rd
Defender.
Shreveport, La 71106
2.
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| From: | HVandervoo(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Hans vander Voort
32226 windrose lane
Waller, Texas
Flying Pietenpol Aircamper
with Corvair engine.
_http://www.frappr.com/pietenpol_ (http://www.frappr.com/pietenpol)
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory |
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Michael Cuy (The Yankee Boy named by Corky)
298 Runn Street
Berea, OH 44017
Short Fuselage (1933) A-65 Pietenpol Air Camper
3 piece wing
Nose fuel tank, 17 gallons
Center section wing baggage area
Empty Weight: 632 lbs.
Flying since June, 1998
400 TT give or take
Last flight: yesterday.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
| From: | "skellytownflyer" <hanover(at)centramedia.net> |
Raymond Hanover-Skellytown Texas. (in the panhande)-GN-1 with Corvair power. (
D.J. Vegh's project) wings almost ready for fabric-just finished installing aluminum
leadng edge.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117602#117602
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Chuck Gantzer
626 Pattie
Wichita, KS 67211
Pietenpol AirCamper NX770CG
_http://nx770cg.com/_ (http://nx770cg.com/)
Just over 300 hrs TT
Short Fuselage, Split Axle Gear, Turf Tires
Continental A65, Homebuilt 72 X 42 Prop
I love flying this plane !!
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | Javier Cruz <javcr(at)prodigy.net.mx> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Hi friends
The last week i finished my pilot chief work on the PGR in Mexico, just
work now like a G-II pilot, so i think that finally i have enought time
for complete my project.
Corky, good to know that you are still active on this list.\
Javier Cruz "JAVCR"
Valle de casas 202, Valle de Aragon,
Mexico, Mexico
Fuselage, wings, tail group complete, just needs epoxic varnish for
cover.
Corvair engine with 16:00 hours on test stand and now on the plane. (i
need to remove it for complete the firewall fiberfrax install)
Good luck on your list Corky
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
| From: | Amsafetyc(at)aol.com |
Corkey
John Recine here in Lititz Pennsylvania
Home of the PA. Dutch
Piet long fuse. Fuse under const
Worked Katrina recovery Plaq and Orleans parrish
Regards
John
NX985BP
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:34:47
To:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Isabelle frequently asks where some Pieter lives when I mention something said
or done on this list. I always have to say, " dang if I know". So I'm starting
with this e mail to create some sort of directory. At least list your name, status
of your aircraft, and city and state. If you desire to disclose more info
thats your business. At least let it be known whether you're yank, reb, or californian
type. If this e mail has no more than one name during the next week
I'll get the message.
Claude M Corbett, "Corky" "Nathan" "Levi" Refurbishing a complete Aeronca L-3 65TAC
625 Pierremont Rd Defender.
Shreveport, La 71106
2.
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| From: | TGSTONE236(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Ted Stone
Wilmington NC
Piet short fuselage on gear
tail feathers completed
64 Corvair engine with prop hub installed came with project I took over. I
have to open engine to see what has been done.have stromberg carb,and large oil
cooler. distributer hasn't been upgraded
spruce spars cut and routed with ribs installed on one and ribs just slid on
other wing. nothing done on center section yet.
maybe 25 to 35% completed
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Rick Holland
3732 Castle Butte Dr
Castle Rock, CO 80109
Long fuselage Piet
Cub (GN1) style gear
Corvair engine half built
Wings and tail ready for cover
Fuse 90%
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| From: | "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen(at)ptialaska.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Commander Corky,
Sir, I am proud to report, N-1033B is in A-1 flying condition in hanger
Palatka FL, guarding FL's sunny St. Augustine area. The good ship has a
steel fuse, aeronca wings, cessna wheels and brakes, 0-235 engine (Sir,
can I still call it a Piete?, think Bernard would be proud?), no smoke,
but can install beer can holder on gunnel to hold water ballons if so
ordered.
Reporting in: Gordon Bowen
P.O. Box 2201 (so far out the end of the road, ain't
got RFD service.)
Homely ole Homer AK (as far as you can git northwest
without a russkie passport)
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 2:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Isabelle frequently asks where some Pieter lives when I mention
something said or done on this list. I always have to say, " dang if I
know". So I'm starting with this e mail to create some sort of
directory. At least list your name, status of your aircraft, and city
and state. If you desire to disclose more info thats your business. At
least let it be known whether you're yank, reb, or californian type. If
this e mail has no more than one name during the next week I'll get the
message.
Claude M Corbett, "Corky" "Nathan" "Levi" Refurbishing a
complete Aeronca L-3 65TAC
625 Pierremont Rd
Defender.
Shreveport, La 71106
2.
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| From: | "Alan Lyscars" <alyscars(at)maine.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Al Lyscars
Portland, Maine
Just started GN-1 from scratch.
12 fittings and three ribs completed.
Corvair core aquired.
Union boy.
Greetings, Corky!
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| From: | RBush96589(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | pietenpol directory |
Robert ( Randy ) Bush
2945 Law RD
Lexington TN 38351
Corvair powered pietenpol ready for paint
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | "Tom Stinemetze" <tstinemetze(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Tom Stinemetze, McPherson, Kansas. Pietenpol Air Camper - 3 years into
an estimated 5-year project.
Ribs completed with spars just a'waitin. Fuselage & empennage about 90%
done. Ready to install control cables as sticks and elevator (flipper)
bellcrank are in place. Corvair engine torn down and cleaned up.
____ | ____
\8/
/ \
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory |
| From: | "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com> |
Bill Church
Richmond Hill, Ontario, Canada
(Canuck)
Building long fuse Air Camper
Ribs built as of June 2007. (Project stalled for past year, but about
to get going again - garage workshop is almost ready)
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| From: | Ryan Michalkiewicz <mskybolt(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Ryan, Brystal and Contessa
Lake Wales, Florida
Building streched, Widend Pietenpol
Wood ordered, have core Corvair
pietn38b(at)aol.com wrote:
Sorry, hit the send button to soon
Jim Ballew
Collinsville, Oklahoma
Completed a Corvair powered Piet in 1995
69" warp drive prop
Also have a Corvair powered Davis DA-2A completed in 1987
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| From: | "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | WOW! Corky, Pietenpol Directory |
Corky,
Sure hit a good nerve with this.
Haven't seen this much activity for awhile
Good call!!
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
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| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory |
Well, I've got to say that probably 3/4 of the people on this list either
own Piets, GN-1s, or at least have a registration number for their project.
That being the case, most of the folks on this list already appear in Doc
Mosher's nifty little Piet directory and it's a great resource if you're
looking for someone. However, I'll give my contact info here for ya, Corky
(as if you didn't already have it ;o)
PS- yesterday I found the secret to perfect landings in 41CC: land it on
grass! You never even know the tires arrive on the grass. I love it!
Oscar Zuniga
8614 Waldon Heights
San Antonio, TX 78254
happily flying Corky's pride and joy, Pietenpol Aircamper NX41CC with A65-8
power!
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/CorkyPiet.html
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| From: | "Gene Rambo" <GeneRambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Gene & Karen Rambo (&Will) Pietenpol Air Camper, fuselage nearly
finished,
305 Riley Street straight axle landing gear
giving fits,
Falls Church, VA 22046 model A Ford, waiting on radiator
(hint, hint)
703-536-0909 Flying Travel Air 2000,
Staggerwing project, CRJ for hire
generambo(at)msn.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Roman Bukolt<mailto:conceptmodels(at)tds.net>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
2. Roman Bukolt Pietenpol air Camper partially
built in my basement.
6505 Urich Terrace Fuse about 80% done. Also
rebuilding a Corvair motor
Madison, wi. 53719 Meanwhile I bought and am flying a
1990 Pietenpol NX20795
conceptmodels(at)tds.net
mentioned in Chet Peeks book, built by Ray Hill and wife.
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com<mailto:Isablcorky(at)aol.com>
To:
pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 5:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Isabelle frequently asks where some Pieter lives when I mention
something said or done on this list. I always have to say, " dang if I
know". So I'm starting with this e mail to create some sort of
directory. At least list your name, status of your aircraft, and city
and state. If you desire to disclose more info thats your business. At
least let it be known whether you're yank, reb, or californian type. If
this e mail has no more than one name during the next week I'll get the
message.
Claude M Corbett, "Corky" "Nathan" "Levi" Refurbishing a
complete Aeronca L-3 65TAC
625 Pierremont Rd
Defender.
Shreveport, La 71106
2.
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Oscar,
I didn't know about Doc Mosher's Pietenpol Directory or I would never had
started this one. Oh well, maybe there are new folks like me that like to see
their name in lights. Hope we can finish what is started
Corky
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | "Ed G." <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Doc Mosher's excellent directory
only includes finished/flying Piets. It would be nice to have a similar
directory that includes builders. And....Please add that my Piet is a
1933 version, short fuse with split gear.
Ed Grentzer
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com<mailto:Isablcorky(at)aol.com>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Oscar,
I didn't know about Doc Mosher's Pietenpol Directory or I would never
had started this one. Oh well, maybe there are new folks like me that
like to see their name in lights. Hope we can finish what is started
Corky
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m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
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| From: | "jimboyer(at)hughes.net" <jimboyer(at)hughes.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Jim Boyer number reserved now; 499JB
Santa Rosa, CA 95403
Pietenpol Aircamper, Corvair power (have engine ready to build once crank is nitrided)
All wing ribs done, tail surfaces done, fuselage wood structure done, control sticks
assembly done
Working on steel aileron, stabilizer, rudder horns.
Cheers, Jim
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| From: | "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen(at)ptialaska.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Commander Corky,
Actually, Sir, if I remember right, your better half gave you
instructions about taking the Pietenpol squadron's roll call, you cannot
ignore a direct order from a superior. About time for some of the
overseas stationed flight units to ck in. Protecting freedom requires
constant vigilance, Sir.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Oscar,
I didn't know about Doc Mosher's Pietenpol Directory or I would never
had started this one. Oh well, maybe there are new folks like me that
like to see their name in lights. Hope we can finish what is started
Corky
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
| From: | Amsafetyc(at)aol.com |
Okay so now we have the makings of an active builders list. So why not cull the
information so we all have a full listing.
Through my job I travel rather frequently and enjoy meeting other builders to share
project info and pic. I typically post notice to find anyone interesting
in sharing while traveling. It would be nice to have a full contact listing of
active builders and owners.
John
Reserved NX985BP
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:26:39
To:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Oscar,
I didn't know about Doc Mosher's Pietenpol Directory or I would never had started
this one. Oh well, maybe there are new folks like me that like to see their
name in lights. Hope we can finish what is started
Corky
----------------
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| From: | "Donald Lane" <dslane(at)capital.net> |
Don Lane
Arapahoe, NC
A-powered aircamper engine installed except for radiator and controls
and gauges
on the spreader type gear with fuselage, tail complete
3 piece wings partly through covering process
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
| From: | Tom Bernie <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net> |
Tom Bernie
4 Gerring Rd
Gloucester MA 01930
978-281-8892
GN-1 #3616AC (CAD plans - unsupported)
Started 2/06
Local Doug Fir
Wings and tail feathers covered (Stewart Systems)
Covering fuselage
Looking for C-90
Using a junk O-200 and J-3 mount to determine weight and balance then
jig and build a real mount (CAD plans have unusable weight and balance
info)
Planned on 1 1/2 year project -- looks like over 2 years.
Loved every minute!
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| From: | "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Elevator cables |
I am in the same boat Oscar, unlike building a new dining room table I
always have the concern in the back of my head that if I do it wrong I may
die. So I measure everything a dozen times, review the archives on the
subject, agonize for a while and then finally make a cut. I have gotten a
lot better over this last year though. That's whats so good about going to
Broadhead and talking to the successful builders. You can get a good
perspective on what really needs to be perfect and what doesn't. After the
first one building a second Piet would be a piece of cake (still a time
consuming task, but with so much less research and agonizing).
Rick
> What's funny is that it is so easy to say all this stuff now that I have
> an
> airplane to fly. Back before I did, I'd worry and fret and fuss and think
> and sketch and build cardboard and string and popsicle stick parts (all of
> which are good things to do, mind you), but now when I read about somebody
> fretting about things like this when they could have already completed the
> part and gotten it covered, getting them that much closer to actually
> flying, I want to say the same thing everybody told me back then: "just
> hurry up and build it, because flying these airplanes is so much fun!"
>
>
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| From: | "Catdesigns" <catdesigns(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Wood Landing Gear Strut Fitting |
For those of you with the wood landing gear, do I weld around the two flat
pieces that form the attachment for the strut? See attached drawing. I
know I am supposed to weld where they come out of the flat plate.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
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| From: | "Catdesigns" <catdesigns(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Wood Landing Gear Strut Fitting |
Woops forgot the attachment
For those of you with the wood landing gear, do I weld around the two flat
pieces that form the attachment for the strut? See attached drawing. I
know I am supposed to weld where they come out of the flat plate.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
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| From: | "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Re Elevator cables |
When I was looking at the uncovered Piet at the original Pietenpol hanger at
Oshkosh I noticed that the upper elevator cables went through nylon
fairleads on the outside of the fuselage which raised the cables. I did the
same thing which raised the top cables enough to prevent touching the
elevator.
Rick
On 6/5/07, Graham and Robyn wrote:
>
> Any thoughts/advice on this would be appreciated.
>
> Does the tension vary between upper & lower cables at full deflection?
>
> If so can this be avoided.
>
> Any way of stopping the top cable from rubbing on the L,E of tail plane?
>
> Had considered raising the height of the bell crank in fuse but this could
> gear down the amount of travel avail for the elevtor.
>
>
> Thanks Graham
>
> fuse 75% tail surfaces 100% has taken 10 months
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
John,
Would be helpful if you would include your last name and location
CMC
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory |
| From: | "Arden Adamson" <aadamson(at)wnmdag.org> |
Corky,
Add me to your builder list also. I posted a response earlier but
didnt' see it come up on the Piet-list.
Arden Adamson
N1450 Spencer Lake Ct.
Waupaca, WI 54981
715-258-4238
Building the long Piet with Jenny Gear, Corvair, three piece wing. Have
fuselage structure done, building second set of ribs (Riblett airfoil),
tail frames done, some parts of control system in place.
Enjoying the discussions on the Piet list.
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of
Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Sent: Sun 6/10/2007 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
John,
Would be helpful if you would include your last name and location
CMC
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| From: | "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wood Landing Gear Strut Fitting |
Yes, Chris, you weld all the way around the edge of the two flat pieces.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Catdesigns" <catdesigns(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Landing Gear Strut Fitting
> Woops forgot the attachment
>
> For those of you with the wood landing gear, do I weld around the two flat
> pieces that form the attachment for the strut? See attached drawing. I
> know I am supposed to weld where they come out of the flat plate.
>
>
> Chris Tracy
> Sacramento, Ca
> Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
>
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory |
| From: | "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu> |
Sheesh. Don't look at me email fer a day and look what happens....
Steve E here
A-65 powered three piece wing with 4' center section. Fuse is stretched
7 inches, didn't know about the long fuse at the time. Bungee gear,
Aluminum struts from a chair factory. Latex paint. Flying since
November 1997. M. Cuy Smoke system. Need to get it smokin again! (it
has been a while) 350 hours.
Sold piet caps to pay for my first trip to Brodhead. Big E on the
rudder cause I think it looks distinctive.
Last flight -yesterday TP bombing run, with my 9 year old son as
bombardier.
Just finished a restore of a 1947 Stinson -also with the trademark 'E'
Steve Eldredge
Spanish Fork UT
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 4:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Isabelle frequently asks where some Pieter lives when I mention
something said or done on this list. I always have to say, " dang if I
know". So I'm starting with this e mail to create some sort of
directory. At least list your name, status of your aircraft, and city
and state. If you desire to disclose more info thats your business. At
least let it be known whether you're yank, reb, or californian type. If
this e mail has no more than one name during the next week I'll get the
message.
Claude M Corbett, "Corky" "Nathan" "Levi" Refurbishing a
complete Aeronca L-3 65TAC
625 Pierremont Rd Defender.
Shreveport, La 71106
2.
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| From: | "Catdesigns" <catdesigns(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wood Landing Gear Strut Fitting |
Thank Greg. Guess I need to practice that now.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood Landing Gear Strut Fitting
>
> Yes, Chris, you weld all the way around the edge of the two flat pieces.
>
> Greg Cardinal
> Minneapolis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Catdesigns" <catdesigns(at)comcast.net>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:18 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Landing Gear Strut Fitting
>
>
>> Woops forgot the attachment
>>
>> For those of you with the wood landing gear, do I weld around the two
>> flat
>> pieces that form the attachment for the strut? See attached drawing. I
>> know I am supposed to weld where they come out of the flat plate.
>>
>>
>> Chris Tracy
>> Sacramento, Ca
>> Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
>>
>
>
>
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| From: | Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Clif Dawson
Vancouver, BC, Canada
CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca
http://clifdawson.ca/
Fuselage almost complete. 36" centersection in progress.
Tail complete, on plane with controls and cables working.
Landing gear and tailwheel on plane.
All local Hemlock and birch ply materials. Corvair engine in
pieces. New, 40 over TRW pistons and cylinders presently
in Brooks Alberta.
I'm in the existing builder's directory And don't forget our
frapper map, although it seems to be doing strange things
right now.
http://www.frappr.com/pietenpol
Clif
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| From: | Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
A Colin Walker prop! He was a long time member of my
RAA chapter. He passed away not too long ago.
Clif
Graham J. Hansen
Camrose, Alberta, Canada
Pietenpol CF-AUN, flying since 1970. About 767 hrs. total time.
Continental C85 engine with Colin Walker 72 x 43 wooden propeller.
Cruises at 80 mph @ 2300 RPM. A real fun machine that has provided much
enjoyment for nearly 37 years.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Collection of information |
Corky....
** Corky, make sure you put together a list of everyone and then make it available
so we can print it.
Kenneth M. Heide (Fargo Yankee)
PO Box 1026
Hawley, MN (Western side of Minnesota along the North Dakota Boarder)
218-486-1963 H
701-793-3030 C
Pietenpol Long Fuse 29" wide (starting on the standard gear legs)
wing ribs done
A-65 Continental (needs to be rebuilt)
Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP
---------------------------------
Building a website is a piece of cake.
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| From: | HelsperSew(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Wood Landing Gear Strut Fitting |
Chris,
I did.
Dan Helsper
Helsper Sewing Corp.
8186 Commerce Dr.
Loves Park IL 61111
PH (815) 885-4365
FAX (815) 885-4366
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
| From: | Amsafetyc(at)aol.com |
John Recine, Lititz, Pa
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:53:02
To:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
John,
Would be helpful if you would include your last name and location
CMC
----------------
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Certainly, Please add me to the list of current builders.
John Recine
635 South Broad Street
Lititz, Pennsylvania
717-627-4901
_AmSafetyc(at)aol.com_ (mailto:AmSafetyc(at)aol.com)
Home Airfield; LNS
Reserved Tail: NX985BP
Project start date: January 07
Fuse: Long, yellow poplar
Width: 27" Wide Glide
Fuse status, under construction
Vertical Stabilizer: Complete
Wing Ribs: Complete set purchased from Jack Textor
Construction site: Basement
Activities include, Building my Piet and visiting other builders and Piet
owners during my business travels. All have become part of the learning process
of build methods and innovations of improvement. Always willing to learn new
techniques and old methods lost or forgotten from experienced woodworkers
and builders.
No power plant as of yet, had one in process, the guy disappeared from the
boards with no further discussion so I am still looking. At present would
prefer an 0235 but considering a Corvair and Subaru as close seconds all
contingent upon pricing and availability.
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Egan <johnegan99(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Isabelle frequently asks where some Pieters live........
John Egan
Greenville, Wisconsin
johnegan99(at)yahoo.com
Flying machine on straight axle landing gear. Recently installed torque tube
and rudder bar. Wing struts are the next milestone, and I have a Corvair engine
in pieces. I hope to fly some day.
A special thanks to the very helpful list members.
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| From: | Koebel <ckoebel3(at)comcast.net> |
Hi,
Colin Koebel
Clarendon Hills IL.
Just starting ribs, getting spruce for spars and fuse
I have a Corvair engine apart and a Ford Model B motor.
Flying a Long EZ that I build, Building a Wagabond and rebuilding a
Cessna 170B.
The piet is a winter project I work on in the basement when its too
cold at the hanger (no Heat)
And NO I don't have enough projects!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Update on Piet Directory |
Pieters,
I'm somewhat surprised at the collective response to the directory info
request. As of this time I have received 41 responses. Some through the Pietenpol
net and some direct to me. I wasn't looking for a job but I sure got one.
I'm not computer literate, other otherwise, and I have all this info with not
the slightest idea as to how I should organize it in order to disseminate it
to you and other interested parties. I've heard the PC gurus talk about cut and
paste etc which I don't know how to do. Will one of you who is knowledgable
about this subject please sit down and give me some suggestions and
instructions. I would think that once I have it organized I could send it as one
document but I would think it best NOT to send it through the Piet matronics
list.
HELP
Corky
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| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | tailwheel dolly for Pietenpol |
Although my Scott tailwheel is full castoring and the airplane has grab
handles on both sides of the tail, my hangar mate was a little uncomfortable
wheeling the airplane in and out of the hangar so he could get to his
airplane. So... I made a tailwheel dolly by copying a design that Jack Hart
came up with for his Firefly. Picture at
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/dolly.html
Works great.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Update on Piet Directory |
| From: | "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com> |
Corky,
There are many ways to do it. Probably the easiest and best way would
be to input the information into an Excel spreadsheet. I attached a
very simple worksheet which places the information in 9 separate cells.
This way it can be manipulated and printed many different ways. If you
don't have Excel let me know and we can figure something else out. If
you want to call me to assist with cut and paste, my work number is
515-225-7000.
Jack Textor
www.textors.com
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| From: | "Joseph Czaplicki" <fishin3(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: |
Back in 97-98, started a short fuse Piet. Completed fuse on gear, all ribs,
complete tail, controls and panel with fresh A65.
At this point it went down to Shreveport and grew up to be NX41CC. A
terrific job completing and getting airborne by none other then
Corky. He's a master at anything he does and looking forward to seeing Blue
Boy with the Corkster at the controls.
Since the Piet, Ive restored, flown and sold 2 Ercoupes, 99621 & 94634.
Now pushing the big seven O, I own and fly a C150H
spam can....oh well
Joe Czaplicki
1915 Gideon Ave
Zion, IL 60099
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| From: | Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com> |
| Subject: | Update on Piet Directory |
I agree, Excel will probably be the easiest way to do it. It might be
good to convert it to a PDF, since some people might not have Excel,
but can get a PDF reader for free, and most people probably already
have them. Or, we could do a PDF & Excel.
I'll be glad to host the files if needed. Additionally, we could set
up a webpage with the information directly on the page. If anyone
thinks that is a good idea, I would be glad to do it. Just say so.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
Quoting "Jack T. Textor" :
> Corky,
>
> There are many ways to do it. Probably the easiest and best way would
> be to input the information into an Excel spreadsheet. I attached a
> very simple worksheet which places the information in 9 separate cells.
> This way it can be manipulated and printed many different ways. If you
> don't have Excel let me know and we can figure something else out. If
> you want to call me to assist with cut and paste, my work number is
> 515-225-7000.
>
> Jack Textor
>
> www.textors.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Douwe's info for list |
Douwe Blumberg
3175 hwy 467
DeMossville, KY 41033
cell (805) 573 3564
Model A, Jenny gear. Engine running on stand, plane covered, ready for
paint
90% done, 90% left to go.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory |
Skip Gadd
Hales Landing
WV (NE area of state by Ohio river)
Short/short fuse, started Aug 1991. Ribs, spars, tail feathers, wheels and l/g
complete. Fuselage needs sides and turtle deck, control system half complete.
Corvair power, "closed case" bought from WW. Hope to start working on the project
again this winter.
Flying Felix the GN-1 about 17 hours, A65, reconditioned metal prop 74 43. Cruz
almost 70 mph at 2150 rpm
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Arden Adamson" <aadamson(at)wnmdag.org> |
Corky,
I think your idea of some sort of a directory is a great idea. Here's
mine so there are at least two of us.
Arden Adamson
N1450 Spencer Lake Ct.
Waupaca, WI
long Pietenpol/Corvair
Fuselage 90% completed
Tail feather frames done
Building second set of ribs using Riblett airfoil (first set of
Pietenpol ribs for sale)
Building Jenny type wheel/landing gear
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Update on Piet Directory |
Steve,
You are my savior. The answer to my prayer this morning. Yes you may take
over. I have no earthly idea what you are talking about PDF etc so you see
someone will have to take the ball and run.
You can get many names, addresses and comments from the Pieten pol digests
of Sunday and Monday mornings. I'll edit and send those I have that are not on
those digests then we will notify all to send new listings to you. How does
that grab you?
Corky in Louisiana who has just been helped
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | gus notti <gus_notti(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol's wing strut design change? |
I'm wondering why can't the wing struts be like them of a Kitfox/Avid. If the front
attach point is strong 'BEEFED' up why can't the wing struts be shaped 'Y'
shaped with the front and back jury strut attached?
There are several kit planes flying with this configuration, I don't see why
the Piet would be any different? I'm looking for all and any input. I have a prototype
'Y' strut design I have completed, it's ready to bolt on, but I need
something more.................
Bring it on!
Thanks
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| Subject: | Pietenpol's wing strut design change? |
| From: | "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com> |
Gus, I would say the primary reason would be that it simply wouldn't
look like a Pietenpol. The V arrangement of lift struts was not common
before the mid '30's. It is a superior arrangement, allowing for
eliminating the flying wires between the struts. Avid Flyer did not
invent the arrangement - it showed up on a number of planes in the mid
30's, including the Piper J-3 Cub, its predeccesor, the Taylor E-2 Cub,
a number of early Aeroncas, etc. Note that even "Highly efficient"
designs from the late 1920's when the Pietenpol was designed, had
parallel lift struts. Look at the Spirit of St. Louis, for example.
There are advantages to the parallel lift struts on a Pietenpol. Having
parallel struts makes it very easy to shift the wing back and forth to
put the CG in the right place. This would be difficult if not
impossible with the V-strut arrangement.
So you can change the lift strut arrangement if you desire. Just don't
call it a Pietenpol. Call it a Pober Pixie, or a Bakeng Deuce.
Sorry - not trying to inflame. You asked a good question, but I think
such a change is pretty major and the result simply wouldn't "look" like
a Pietenpol.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gus
notti
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol's wing strut design change?
I'm wondering why can't the wing struts be like them of a Kitfox/Avid.
If the front attach point is strong 'BEEFED' up why can't the wing
struts be shaped 'Y' shaped with the front and back jury strut attached?
There are several kit planes flying with this configuration, I don't see
why the Piet would be any different? I'm looking for all and any input.
I have a prototype 'Y' strut design I have completed, it's ready to bolt
on, but I need something more.................
Bring it on!
Thanks
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| From: | HelsperSew(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol's wing strut design change? |
Gus,
Shame Shame on you- This morphidite strut arrangement might be OK
airworthiness wise, BUT it will never look like a genuine BHP Pietenpol Air Camper!
I
am very surprised anybody even would suggest such a thing. BHP is probably
rolling over in his grave. Please do not do this----- you will most
assuredly be the subject of ridicule.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| From: | "Ed G." <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol's wing strut design change? |
The origional design spreads the lift loads across a wide area of the wood
fuselage, essentially cradleing the fuselage and the fuselage is designed
for that loading through the V shape of the spruce fuselage struts spreading
the load through the plywood sides. Even though the Piet fuselage is
overbuilt consentrating the entire lift load and negative wing loadings when
landing at only one point is probably not a good idea. The kitfox has a
steel tube fuse that was origionally designed for this type of loading. I'm
no engineer but I would be a little leary of doing that. Any engineers out
there that want to add to this?? Ed G.
>From: gus notti <gus_notti(at)yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol's wing strut design change?
>Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:21:16 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I'm wondering why can't the wing struts be like them of a Kitfox/Avid. If
>the front attach point is strong 'BEEFED' up why can't the wing struts be
>shaped 'Y' shaped with the front and back jury strut attached?
> There are several kit planes flying with this configuration, I don't see
>why the Piet would be any different? I'm looking for all and any input. I
>have a prototype 'Y' strut design I have completed, it's ready to bolt on,
>but I need something more.................
> Bring it on!
>
> Thanks
>
>
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| From: | "Richard and Kathryn Davis" <kbrooks(at)aptalaska.net> |
Richard&Kathryn Davis In Tok Alaska hers is a standard Piet and his is
the Aerial. Wing ribs for Piet&Aerial upper wings built metal
fittings done waiting to be primed. Engine for the Piet is 0235 OSMOH
engine for the Aerial is a Rotec R2800.0 time. We are a happy husband
and wife build team.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James" <jthursby(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol's wing strut design change? |
George Reads Aircamper had flown well over 1,000 hours with the struts done
in a V arrangement. His plane is highly modified though. But that's the
whole idea about "homebuilding" isn't it?
Jim T.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed G.
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 1:33 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol's wing strut design change?
The origional design spreads the lift loads across a wide area of the wood
fuselage, essentially cradleing the fuselage and the fuselage is designed
for that loading through the V shape of the spruce fuselage struts spreading
the load through the plywood sides. Even though the Piet fuselage is
overbuilt consentrating the entire lift load and negative wing loadings when
landing at only one point is probably not a good idea. The kitfox has a
steel tube fuse that was origionally designed for this type of loading. I'm
no engineer but I would be a little leary of doing that. Any engineers out
there that want to add to this?? Ed G.
>From: gus notti <gus_notti(at)yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol's wing strut design change?
>Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:21:16 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I'm wondering why can't the wing struts be like them of a Kitfox/Avid.
>If
>the front attach point is strong 'BEEFED' up why can't the wing struts be
>shaped 'Y' shaped with the front and back jury strut attached?
> There are several kit planes flying with this configuration, I don't see
>why the Piet would be any different? I'm looking for all and any input. I
>have a prototype 'Y' strut design I have completed, it's ready to bolt on,
>but I need something more.................
> Bring it on!
>
> Thanks
>
>
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| From: | "Mac Zirges" <macz(at)casco.net> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory |
Malcolm (Mac) Zirges
P.O. Box 938
Newport, OR 97365
Piet all framed up and looking for a place to assemble and rig. Have
ford engines but not yet modified for use.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
| From: | "Glenn W. Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com> |
Glenn Thomas
49 Lynwood Rd.
Storrs, CT 06268
(860) 966-2856
http://www.flyingwood.com
Air Camper - Pietenpol Plans
Wing ribs done. Building jig for empennage.
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| From: | "Dave Abramson" <davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory |
David Abramson Building 19 months short fuse, tail feathers done, ribs
done, fuse pretty much done. Working on the %@#&*#@ land gear (jenny style)
and building controls.
Just ordered a set on hinges from Vitalis Kapler (great Name!) Just bought
a c140 for flight training!
Building at Santa Maria public airport Ca.
Cheers!
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 3:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Isabelle frequently asks where some Pieter lives when I mention something
said or done on this list. I always have to say, " dang if I know". So I'm
starting with this e mail to create some sort of directory. At least list
your name, status of your aircraft, and city and state. If you desire to
disclose more info thats your business. At least let it be known whether
you're yank, reb, or californian type. If this e mail has no more than one
name during the next week I'll get the message.
Claude M Corbett, "Corky" "Nathan" "Levi" Refurbishing a complete
Aeronca L-3 65TAC
625 Pierremont Rd Defender.
Shreveport, La 71106
2.
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| Subject: | Additional info: Pietenpol Directory |
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Corky,
Here is some additional info in case you'd like to send us Christmas and
birthday gifts or gift cards and such.
Pizza: sausage & onion
Steak: Longhorn is good, medium.
Cigars: Oliva Series G, shorties
Malt: Macallan 12 year old is good
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| From: | "Lynn Knoll" <dknoll(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Lynn & Kevin Knoll
8025 E. Morris
Wichita, KS
On the gear, control sticks, peddles,cables installed
Tail feathers built & control horns installed
No rags installed on anything yet
Ribs completed
William Wynne Corvair 75% completed
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| From: | HelsperSew(at)aol.com |
Corky,
Dan Helsper
3043 Fairchild St.
Poplar Grove, IL., 61065
Cell 815 298 5680
BHP Aircamper 1933 Hoopman drawings. One-piece wing ready for cover.
Fuselage 70 % complete. Jenny gear. Model A Ford engine mounted, and I am
currently building-up. Using Ken Perkins dual mag drive and two Slick mags.
Aluminum head. Looking into alternative carburetors.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| From: | "Jim Cooper" <blugoos1(at)hughes.net> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory (Jim Cooper) |
Jim Cooper
8040 LA Hwy 82
Youngsville, LA 70592
337-937-6116
My partner, Tom Schildt and I have been working on a GN-1 project we
bought about 5 years ago. It has an 85 HP Continental, 3 piece wing. and
4130 steel tubing fuselage. Say about 50% complete at the present time.
We only work on it an hour a week. A very enjoyable project for a
retired 80 year old, especially meeting the venerable Corky and his
wife, Isabelle. Soon will get to meet Wayne Poole, another Louisiana
builder.
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Additional info: Pietenpol Directory |
Why you2h487454232425262322bjh2yankeeba25645345.
rebbie
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| From: | "jimboyer(at)hughes.net" <jimboyer(at)hughes.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Hi Chris,
Yes, had about a two year hiatus due to being remarried but have gotten going again
now and having fun. I have enjoyed reading all your emails to the Piet site
and have visited your site several times. It is very valuable and thank you
for doing it.
How close are you to being ready to fly?
Jim
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| From: | kmordecai001(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Cap'n Corky's Piet List |
Pieters,
2004 long fuse crafted by John Ficklen, Cub-style gear w/ 8.00 x 6 tires & coil
springs, 3 piece wing w/cutout for rear cockpit access & storage in center section.
Yellow tagged Cont. A-75 w/Hegy 72 x 42 Located @ 2J0 in Panacea, FL.
Stop by & visit if you're in the area & want to talk/fly Piets, old motorcycles,
or old diesel "Benz. Plenty of fresh local seafood nearby & a BBQ joint at the
north end of runway 36.
Born & raised in Alabama, now a "typical Floridian" (someone who moved here from
elsewhere) Wife is a "damyankee" (a yankee who moved here and stayed)
Dave Mordecai
Panacea, FL
850-984-4856
NX520SF
'74 BMW R90s (160k miles....but many more left in 'er)
'67 BMW R60/2 (for sale, fresh restoration, was wife's bike)
'2005 Ducati 620i (the reason the BMW is for sale)
'85 Mercedes 300SD my going to work car until I retire (only has 178k on it)
'78 Mercedes 300D my old going to work car, now the daughter's car (280k)
Pieters,
2004 long fuse crafted by John Ficklen, Cub-style gear w/ 8.00 x 6 tires &
coil springs, 3 piece wing w/cutout for rear cockpit access & storage
in center section. Yellow tagged Cont. A-75 w/Hegy 72 x 42 Located
@ 2J0 in Panacea, FL.
Stop by & visit if you're in the area & want to talk/fly Piets, old
motorcycles, or old diesel "Benz. Plenty of fresh local seafood nearby & a
BBQ joint at the north end of runway 36.
Born & raised in Alabama, now a "typical Floridian" (someone who moved
here from elsewhere) Wife is a "damyankee" (a yankee who moved here and
stayed)
Dave Mordecai
Panacea, FL
850-984-4856
NX520SF
'74 BMW R90s (160k miles....but many more left in 'er)
'67 BMW R60/2 (for sale, fresh restoration, was wife's bike)
'2005 Ducati 620i (the reason the BMW is for sale)
'85 Mercedes 300SD my going to work car until I retire (only has 178k
on it)
'78 Mercedes 300D my old going to work car, now the daughter's
car (280k)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Singleton" <slsingleton(at)cvalley.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Steve Singleton-Hale MO. Ribs built. Tail feathers almost.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Chet's Mail" <Chethartley1(at)mchsi.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Chet & Cathy Hartley
200 Franklin St.
Holts Summit, MO 65043-2504
chethartley1(at)mchsi.com 573-896-5405
N920Y Built by Don Hicks - Flying with model A engine
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 5:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Isabelle frequently asks where some Pieter lives when I mention
something said or done on this list. I always have to say, " dang if I
know". So I'm starting with this e mail to create some sort of
directory. At least list your name, status of your aircraft, and city
and state. If you desire to disclose more info thats your business. At
least let it be known whether you're yank, reb, or californian type. If
this e mail has no more than one name during the next week I'll get the
message.
Claude M Corbett, "Corky" "Nathan" "Levi" Refurbishing a
complete Aeronca L-3 65TAC
625 Pierremont Rd
Defender.
Shreveport, La 71106
2.
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| From: | "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Put me down also.
Dick Navratil
1415 Skiles Ln.
Arden Hills, Mn. 55112
NX2RN
short fuse / A-65 / flying
NX25RN
long fuse / Rotec R-2800 / painted N# on wings today -99% done, will be
taxi testing next month.
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| From: | santiago morete <moretesantiago(at)yahoo.com.ar> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory |
Santiago & Sebastian Morete
Santa Rosa, La Pampa, Argentina
Long fuselage, working on tail and main wheels (Jenny gear). One piece wing and
tail feathers completed but not covered. Ford A engine being rebuilt.
Saludos
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| Subject: | Ada Air Expo - Oklahoma |
Is anyone planning on going to Ada Ok this weekend ? I've been planning on
flying in on Saturday.
_http://www.adaairexpo.com/_ (http://www.adaairexpo.com/)
Chuck G.
NX770CG
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | "Steve Ruse" <steve(at)wotelectronics.com> |
| Subject: | Ada Air Expo - Oklahoma |
I'd like to go, but my brother & sister in law will be here that weekend, so
it will depend on what they want to do. There is a chance we may fly to Ada
though. If so, we'll have to get together Chuck.
Steve
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ada Air Expo - Oklahoma
Is anyone planning on going to Ada Ok this weekend ? I've been planning on
flying in on Saturday.
http://www.adaairexpo.com/
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| From: | "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen(at)ptialaska.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol's wing strut design change? |
Have mercy Jack, a Piete ain't "looked like" a Piete since this first
edition took to the air. Everyone on this list is doing some sort of
mod to the Piete and they still have a right to call it a Piete or
anything else they please, suspect folks have been doing original
Pietenpol mods since the 30's, ie. 4130 steel instead of the tops of old
5 gal oil cans for tabs and such. I happen to have the "V" lift struts
but they're attached to a 4130 fuselage. Still think Bernard would be
proud to have his name attached to any open cockpit joy machine that
looks kinda like his original idea for a flying machine.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol's wing strut design change?
Gus, I would say the primary reason would be that it simply wouldn't
look like a Pietenpol. The V arrangement of lift struts was not common
before the mid '30's. It is a superior arrangement, allowing for
eliminating the flying wires between the struts. Avid Flyer did not
invent the arrangement - it showed up on a number of planes in the mid
30's, including the Piper J-3 Cub, its predeccesor, the Taylor E-2 Cub,
a number of early Aeroncas, etc. Note that even "Highly efficient"
designs from the late 1920's when the Pietenpol was designed, had
parallel lift struts. Look at the Spirit of St. Louis, for example.
There are advantages to the parallel lift struts on a Pietenpol.
Having parallel struts makes it very easy to shift the wing back and
forth to put the CG in the right place. This would be difficult if not
impossible with the V-strut arrangement.
So you can change the lift strut arrangement if you desire. Just
don't call it a Pietenpol. Call it a Pober Pixie, or a Bakeng Deuce.
Sorry - not trying to inflame. You asked a good question, but I think
such a change is pretty major and the result simply wouldn't "look" like
a Pietenpol.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gus
notti
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:21 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol's wing strut design change?
I'm wondering why can't the wing struts be like them of a Kitfox/Avid.
If the front attach point is strong 'BEEFED' up why can't the wing
struts be shaped 'Y' shaped with the front and back jury strut attached?
There are several kit planes flying with this configuration, I don't
see why the Piet would be any different? I'm looking for all and any
input. I have a prototype 'Y' strut design I have completed, it's ready
to bolt on, but I need something more.................
Bring it on!
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| From: | "Derek Doyle" <doylederek(at)eircom.net> |
| Subject: | re: Pietenpol Directory |
Derek Doyle
Rathmuck Lane
Kildare
County Kildare
Ireland
Building from BHP plans, long fuse, three piece wing. Started July last
year. Tail feathers ready for covering. Wing ribs finished. All
woodwork on fuselage finished. Building wing centre section at the
moment. The first and so far only Piet to be started in Ireland.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Michael Groah
Tulare CA
Building ribs, center section of three piece wing mostly done, most wing metal
fittings done. Looking for corvair core.
santiago morete wrote:
Santiago & Sebastian Morete
Santa Rosa, La Pampa, Argentina
Long fuselage, working on tail and main wheels (Jenny gear). One piece wing and
tail feathers completed but not covered. Ford A engine being rebuilt.
Saludos
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Michael Groah
Tulare CA
Building ribs, center section of three piece wing mostly done, most wing metal
fittings done. Looking for corvair core.
santiago morete wrote:
Santiago & Sebastian Morete
Santa Rosa, La Pampa, Argentina
Long fuselage, working on tail and main wheels (Jenny gear). One piece wing and
tail feathers completed but not covered. Ford A engine being rebuilt.
Saludos
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| From: | "Terry Hall" <adaairport(at)cableone.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Sky Scout project: Building fuselage, horizontal and vertical
stabilizer, rudder and elevator. Most fuselage fittings built. Mounting
tail skid, torque tube, and rudder bar.
Terry Hall
Ada, OK
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Groah
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Michael Groah
Tulare CA
Building ribs, center section of three piece wing mostly done, most
wing metal fittings done. Looking for corvair core.
santiago morete wrote:
Santiago & Sebastian Morete
Santa Rosa, La Pampa, Argentina
Long fuselage, working on tail and main wheels (Jenny gear). One
piece wing and tail feathers completed but not covered. Ford A engine
being rebuilt.
Saludos
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| From: | "Robert Gow" <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory |
Robert Gow
1026 Victoria Street
Midland Ontario Canada
L4R 5C5
Ribs only so far, purchased from David Stephens. Want to build Ford powered
(with modifications)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chet's Mail
Sent: June 11, 2007 10:16 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Chet & Cathy Hartley
200 Franklin St.
Holts Summit, MO 65043-2504
chethartley1(at)mchsi.com 573-896-5405
N920Y Built by Don Hicks - Flying with model A engine
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 5:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Isabelle frequently asks where some Pieter lives when I mention
something said or done on this list. I always have to say, " dang if I
know". So I'm starting with this e mail to create some sort of directory. At
least list your name, status of your aircraft, and city and state. If you
desire to disclose more info thats your business. At least let it be known
whether you're yank, reb, or californian type. If this e mail has no more
than one name during the next week I'll get the message.
Claude M Corbett, "Corky" "Nathan" "Levi" Refurbishing a
complete Aeronca L-3 65TAC
625 Pierremont Rd Defender.
Shreveport, La 71106
2.
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| From: | "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Update on Piet Directory-final decision? |
Corky, Jack and all,
Did anyone come to a final decision on the Piet directory.
If not, the Excel spreadsheet that Jack posted will work.
We can each fill it in, save it, and repost it. Next one grabs it,,, and
on and on.
For everyone not having Excel , maybe someone can import it to another
common program for the others/everyone.
As long as no one is doing something else,,,I'll get the ball rolling,
Just someone say the word
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack T. Textor
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:23 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Update on Piet Directory
Corky,
There are many ways to do it. Probably the easiest and best way would
be to input the information into an Excel spreadsheet. I attached a
very simple worksheet which places the information in 9 separate cells.
This way it can be manipulated and printed many different ways. If you
don't have Excel let me know and we can figure something else out. If
you want to call me to assist with cut and paste, my work number is
515-225-7000.
Jack Textor
www.textors.com
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| From: | "Robert Gow" <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca> |
| Subject: | Update on Piet Directory-final decision? |
For those who do not have Excel, simply create a text file using notepad
with the items separated by commas. That can be exported into Excel. Or
Access for that matter. Someone could crate an Access Database and deploy
it as an executable so you would not need Access to use it . . . .
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of walt evans
Sent: June 12, 2007 6:13 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update on Piet Directory-final decision?
Corky, Jack and all,
Did anyone come to a final decision on the Piet directory.
If not, the Excel spreadsheet that Jack posted will work.
We can each fill it in, save it, and repost it. Next one grabs it,,, and
on and on.
For everyone not having Excel , maybe someone can import it to another
common program for the others/everyone.
As long as no one is doing something else,,,I'll get the ball rolling,
Just someone say the word
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack T. Textor
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:23 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Update on Piet Directory
Corky,
There are many ways to do it. Probably the easiest and best way would
be to input the information into an Excel spreadsheet. I attached a very
simple worksheet which places the information in 9 separate cells. This way
it can be manipulated and printed many different ways. If you dont have
Excel let me know and we can figure something else out. If you want to call
me to assist with cut and paste, my work number is 515-225-7000.
Jack Textor
www.textors.com
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Update on Piet Directory-final decision? |
Walt,
Am still receiving these Piet builders reports, some on the Piet list and
some direct to me. Steve Ruse yesterday morning volunteered to take this
project and run but I haven't heard from him since. So, you Piets who know this
computer language and techniques take it and run hard. I'll forward to you
direct the names that were sent direct. That should make your list complete. Is
this OK with you? From the response I think this list will help the Piet group
become closer. Isabelle and I thank you
Corky
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Golden West EAA Flyin |
Are there any Piets attending the Golden West EAA flyin/airshow in Marysville CA
at the end of this month?
I'm planning on going that Sat. and I'd love to see a Piet or two while i'm there!
---------------------------------
Get your own web address.
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| From: | "Steve Glass" <redsglass(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Steve Glass
Jonesport Maine
Probably eastern most piet builder in US.
Just purchased a long fuselage and tail feathers project. Need to get going
on wing ribs, leaning towards riblett. Great fun gleaning info from this
list.
Best regards
Steve in Maine
>From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
>Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:51:23 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Michael Groah
> Tulare CA
>
> Building ribs, center section of three piece wing mostly done, most
>wing metal fittings done. Looking for corvair core.
>
>
>santiago morete wrote:
> Santiago & Sebastian Morete
> Santa Rosa, La Pampa, Argentina
>
> Long fuselage, working on tail and main wheels (Jenny gear). One piece
>wing and tail feathers completed but not covered. Ford A engine being
>rebuilt.
> Saludos
>
>---------------------------------
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>Todo lo que queras saber, y lo que ni imaginabas,
>est en Yahoo! Respuestas (Beta).
>
>
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| From: | "Malcolm Morrison" <morrisons5(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol's wing strut design change? |
Gus
I am building my "piet", or whatever I am allowed to call it, with a "V"
strut that will attach to the traditional rear strut location on the
fuselage. The airplane will also have a folding wing, ala Kitfox and
many others allowing it to be stored in a 10 foot wide shed.
Malcolm Morrison
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gus
notti
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol's wing strut design change?
I'm wondering why can't the wing struts be like them of a Kitfox/Avid.
If the front attach point is strong 'BEEFED' up why can't the wing
struts be shaped 'Y' shaped with the front and back jury strut attached?
There are several kit planes flying with this configuration, I don't see
why the Piet would be any different? I'm looking for all and any input.
I have a prototype 'Y' strut design I have completed, it's ready to bolt
on, but I need something more.................
Bring it on!
Thanks
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| From: | "Steve Ruse" <steve(at)wotelectronics.com> |
| Subject: | Update on Piet Directory-final decision? |
Corky,
Can you forward me the names you received directly? One at a time or all in
one e-mail, whatever is easiest for you.
I'll work on it when I have time.I should be able to get something pretty
good put together in a few days. I'll start with Jack's Excel format, get
most of the data in there, and then we can all argue about format, etc.
Eventually I'll create an HTML page to post on the internet (unless someone
objects to this).
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update on Piet Directory-final decision?
Walt,
Am still receiving these Piet builders reports, some on the Piet list and
some direct to me. Steve Ruse yesterday morning volunteered to take this
project and run but I haven't heard from him since. So, you Piets who know
this computer language and techniques take it and run hard. I'll forward to
you direct the names that were sent direct. That should make your list
complete. Is this OK with you? From the response I think this list will help
the Piet group become closer. Isabelle and I thank you
Corky
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| From: | "Catdesigns" <catdesigns(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Golden West EAA Flyin |
I'll be there on Saturday with my Pietenpol T-shirt on but that's
probably not what you had in mind. Hopefully the guys from Georgetown
will fly theirs in. I have only seen two there but that was a few years
ago.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Groah
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Golden West EAA Flyin
Are there any Piets attending the Golden West EAA flyin/airshow in
Marysville CA at the end of this month?
I'm planning on going that Sat. and I'd love to see a Piet or two
while i'm there!
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Golden West EAA Flyin |
No, that's not really what I had in mind but if I see a pietenpol shirt I'll have
to say hello.
Catdesigns wrote: I'll be there on Saturday with
my Pietenpol T-shirt on but that's probably not what you had in mind. Hopefully
the guys from Georgetown will fly theirs in. I have only seen two there
but that was a few years ago.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Groah
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Golden West EAA Flyin
Are there any Piets attending the Golden West EAA flyin/airshow in Marysville CA
at the end of this month?
I'm planning on going that Sat. and I'd love to see a Piet or two while i'm there!
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Golden West EAA Flyin |
No, that's not really what I had in mind but if I see a pietenpol shirt I'll have
to say hello.
Catdesigns wrote: I'll be there on Saturday with
my Pietenpol T-shirt on but that's probably not what you had in mind. Hopefully
the guys from Georgetown will fly theirs in. I have only seen two there
but that was a few years ago.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Groah
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Golden West EAA Flyin
Are there any Piets attending the Golden West EAA flyin/airshow in Marysville CA
at the end of this month?
I'm planning on going that Sat. and I'd love to see a Piet or two while i'm there!
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| From: | "GlennThomas(at)flyingwood.com" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Update on Piet Directory-final decision? |
Corky,
I think I have something that will work here. If you have a file that
you pass around you will eventually run into a situation where 2 or more
people open it and whoever saves it last is the only one who will show
up. There is also the problem of how to keep it somewhere so that
everybody can get at it. I just make a section on my website. If you
go to the site on the home page on the upper left there is a Community
Links section. The top link is to the Piet Directory. I started it off
with myself. There is an online form that people can use to enter as
much info as they feel comfortable doing. As entries are made the
information is stored in a database that fills the directory page and
sorts it by last name. I think this might be the easiest way to put the
directory together and keep it alive.
This will take you straight into the directory...
http://www.flyingwood.com/directory.asp
I'll help enter info if you're interested in using it. It wasn't
difficult to make and I can change it if necessary.
Glenn W. Thomas
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update on Piet Directory-final decision?
Walt,
Am still receiving these Piet builders reports, some on the Piet list
and some direct to me. Steve Ruse yesterday morning volunteered to take
this project and run but I haven't heard from him since. So, you Piets
who know this computer language and techniques take it and run hard.
I'll forward to you direct the names that were sent direct. That should
make your list complete. Is this OK with you? From the response I think
this list will help the Piet group become closer. Isabelle and I thank
you
Corky
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| From: | "Scott Knowlton" <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory |
Scott Knowlton
Burlington Ontario Canada
Corvair Powered Long Fuselage Pietenpol
Early stages of construction. Most ribs built, starting on tail group.
Bunch of 4130 steel and AN hardware for the fittings. Have a suiteable
corvair engine core that I purchased locally. I was making good progress
this winter until our baby-sitter drove her parents car through my garage
door!!! Made my workshop a little drafty.
>From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
>Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:34:47 EDT
>
>Isabelle frequently asks where some Pieter lives when I mention something
>said or done on this list. I always have to say, " dang if I know". So I'm
>starting with this e mail to create some sort of directory. At least list
>your
>name, status of your aircraft, and city and state. If you desire to
>disclose
>more info thats your business. At least let it be known whether you're
>yank,
>reb, or californian type. If this e mail has no more than one name during
>the
>next week I'll get the message.
>
>Claude M Corbett, "Corky" "Nathan" "Levi" Refurbishing a
>complete
>Aeronca L-3 65TAC
>625 Pierremont Rd Defender.
>
>Shreveport, La 71106
>
>2.
>
>
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>http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
My friend Mark Langford from the KRNet and CorvAircraft lists made it to the
fly-in at Alliance and stopped at the Lee Bottom field on his way back to
his home field in Alabama. His pictures from Alliance included some of
Frank Pavliga's "Sky Gypsy" ( http://krnet.org/alliance2007/ ).
Mark spent some time in Australia a few weeks ago and sent this bit of
information:
>Speaking of famous Piets, did I tell you about the original Piet "Scout"
>that I saw in OZ? The data plate said Bernie himself built it, serial
>number 1. Burt, the current owner, bought it from the EAA museum,
>and is flying it regularly...
Which probably makes it not only the oldest, but the southmost Sky Scout in
the world ? ;o)
May 17, 2007 - June 13, 2007
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