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coarse) and they fell back to earth telling me that they are just added weight for a Model A Piet, They may also be just added weight for a Corvair Piet in 6000 ft. (plus) Castle Rock Co. Leon S. in 1500 ft. Ks. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fuselage bottom fairing
Date: Jul 05, 2007
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com>
That's what I did. Jack Phillips _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 3:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage bottom fairing Happy 4th of July everyone. I just finished adding the 1x 1/4" fairings down the center of both sides of the fuselage and am wondering about adding one down the center of fuselage bottom. Not on the plans (and you know what I think of people that deviate from the plans ;-), but I have seen several Piets with one or two fairing strips on the fuselage bottom. Seems like a good way to hide all those bolt heads and small ply pieces when covering the bottom. Any thoughts? Good idea or no? Thanks Rick -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: fuse stringers----diagram/sketch attached
Date: Jul 05, 2007
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Rick, Here is how I faired my fuselage and corners. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 05, 2007
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: fuse stringers----diagram/sketch attached
Thanks Mike, have you ever had a need to get to any of those bolts on the bottom, under the fabric? (Like to re-tighten any bolts?) Rick On 7/5/07, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] wrote: > > > Rick, > > Here is how I faired my fuselage and corners. > > Mike C. > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 05, 2007
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fuselage bottom fairing
Yes simple is good, so you just painted the bare plywood bottom with a couple coats of Rustoleum (no varnish) and then bolted on your metal fittings? Rick On 7/4/07, Rcaprd(at)aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/4/2007 2:53:19 PM Central Daylight Time, > at7000ft(at)gmail.com writes: > > I just finished adding the 1x 1/4" fairings down the center of both sides > of the fuselage and am wondering about adding one down the center of > fuselage bottom. Not on the plans (and you know what I think of people that > deviate from the plans ;-) > > Rick, > I didn't add any of the strips on the bottom of the fuse, and I'm really > glad I didn't. Just painted the plywood with the Rustoleum Aluminum Oil > Base Paint that I used on the rest of the fuselage. The side fabric is > overlapped the bottom by about 2 inches, and the fabric on the bottom begins > at the aft edge of the plywood by about 2 inches. I was able to add all the > hardware that is associated with the brakes, without cutting any fabric, and > I can inspect all the hardware, and tighten as necessary - including the > brackets at the landing gear / lift strut lugs , without cutting any > fabric. I added heel brakes after about 32 hrs of flight time. Putting > fabric on the bottom is against all the KISS method that the Pietenpol is > noted for. > > Chuck G. > NX770CG > See y'all at Brodhead !! > > > ------------------------------ > See what's free at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503>. > > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Fuselage bottom fairing
Date: Jul 05, 2007
Chuck: Just out of curiosity, if you left the fabric off the bottom, why not leave it off the sides as well like the earlier plans showed? Kind of like Alan Wise's is, I think. I have been playing with the idea of leaving the fabric off the belly, and possibly the sides. I am partially concerned because I KNOW cotton fabric will stick well enough to merely overlap the plywood, I am not as confident with dacron. As for people's concerns about inspecting and/or tightening bolts, I do not know that I have ever seen a bolt loosen itself. Screws maybe, but not bolts with either cotter pins or self-locking nuts. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland<mailto:at7000ft(at)gmail.com> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:20 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage bottom fairing Yes simple is good, so you just painted the bare plywood bottom with a couple coats of Rustoleum (no varnish) and then bolted on your metal fittings? Rick On 7/4/07, Rcaprd(at)aol.com > wrote: In a message dated 7/4/2007 2:53:19 PM Central Daylight Time, at7000ft(at)gmail.com writes: I just finished adding the 1x 1/4" fairings down the center of both sides of the fuselage and am wondering about adding one down the center of fuselage bottom. Not on the plans (and you know what I think of people that deviate from the plans ;-) Rick, I didn't add any of the strips on the bottom of the fuse, and I'm really glad I didn't. Just painted the plywood with the Rustoleum Aluminum Oil Base Paint that I used on the rest of the fuselage. The side fabric is overlapped the bottom by about 2 inches, and the fabric on the bottom begins at the aft edge of the plywood by about 2 inches. I was able to add all the hardware that is associated with the brakes, without cutting any fabric, and I can inspect all the hardware, and tighten as necessary - including the brackets at the landing gear / lift strut lugs , without cutting any fabric. I added heel brakes after about 32 hrs of flight time. Putting fabric on the bottom is against all the KISS method that the Pietenpol is noted for. Chuck G. NX770CG See y'all at Brodhead !! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- See what's free at AOL.com<http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503>. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 05, 2007
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: 2 firing strips
Thank you for bringing me back to my senses Leon (and Chuck), when it gets to the expected 99 degrees today the density altitude at Meadow Lake airport (6874 ft elev) will be 11004 ft!! I don't need no stinkin bottom fairings, I need light. Rick On 7/5/07, Leon Stefan wrote: > > > Hi Rick: I did the "throw them into the air" trick. (in my mind of > coarse) and they fell back to earth telling me that they are just added > weight for a Model A Piet, They may also be just added weight for a > Corvair Piet in 6000 ft. (plus) Castle Rock Co. Leon S. in 1500 ft. Ks. > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: bolt access
Date: Jul 05, 2007
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Rick, I have never (thankfully) had to dig into the fabric to get to any of those bolts. One thing to consider is are your fittings long enough (especially in the case of the Jenny style landing gear) for the X cable bracing turnbuckles to attach to once you fair over with belly fabric that stands off from the plywood. Even though I made my fittings a bit longer there due to the fabric 'stand off' it was still a tight fit. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "James" <jthursby(at)tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: 2 firing strips
Date: Jul 05, 2007
Sounds like you need a turbocharger? A Rotax 914 maybe? OMG did I say that out loud? May the spirit of build to the plans strike me down! Jim T. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:39 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 2 firing strips Thank you for bringing me back to my senses Leon (and Chuck), when it gets to the expected 99 degrees today the density altitude at Meadow Lake airport (6874 ft elev) will be 11004 ft!! I don't need no stinkin bottom fairings, I need light. Rick On 7/5/07, Leon Stefan wrote: Hi Rick: I did the "throw them into the air" trick. (in my mind of coarse) and they fell back to earth telling me that they are just added -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Fuselage bottom fairing
Date: Jul 05, 2007
Rick, As of now I plan to do it like Chuck. That could change in the year or 2 before I get to that point. Skip ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 05, 2007
Subject: Re: Fuselage bottom fairing
In a message dated 7/5/2007 8:21:45 AM Central Daylight Time, at7000ft(at)gmail.com writes: Yes simple is good, so you just painted the bare plywood bottom with a couple coats of Rustoleum (no varnish) and then bolted on your metal fittings? Rick Yes, that's how I did it. Don't forget about drain holes in the floor of both cockpits. I think drain holes are a MUST, and I don't know how you could do it if you had fabric on the bottom. I put one on each side in the front pit, just ahead of the front seat support, and one on each side of the rear cockpit floor, just in front of that seat support. When you throw these holes up in the air, they DON'T come back down, so I put them in...acording to Leon's method...actually I think it was originally Walt's mentor. Chuck G. NX770CG ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 05, 2007
Subject: Re: Fuselage bottom fairing
In a message dated 7/5/2007 8:39:35 AM Central Daylight Time, generambo(at)msn.com writes: Chuck: Just out of curiosity, if you left the fabric off the bottom, why not leave it off the sides as well like the earlier plans showed? Kind of like Alan Wise's is, I think. I have been playing with the idea of leaving the fabric off the belly, and possibly the sides. I am partially concerned because I KNOW cotton fabric will stick well enough to merely overlap the plywood, I am not as confident with dacron. As for people's concerns about inspecting and/or tightening bolts, I do not know that I have ever seen a bolt loosen itself. Screws maybe, but not bolts with either cotter pins or self-locking nuts. Gene You can certainly leave the fabric off of both sides, as well as the bottom. It's less weight, less work, and more economical...all good traits of the Pietenpol design. That's how Alan Wise, Doug Bryant, and some others did it. By the way, Doug's Model A Pietenpol still graces the skies around Creeve Coeur St. Louis. No problem with the Dacron Fabric coming off if you have at least 2" overlap on clean wood. After it is painted, the leading edge of the seam, that is into the wind, almost disappears. It's true that self locking nuts will probably never loosen itself...key word - 'Probably'. Never say 'Never' in this airplane building stuff !! Here is something that happened to my plane a few years ago: Doug B. built all the metal fittings on my plane, and he used the plans thickness, 1020 steel, for the Four EL brackets on the inside of the fuselage, where the lift strut / landing gear lugs are. After two years of testing runway hardness, the #10 bolts depressed dimples in the soft steel, and the bolts were loose. I changed out those four brackets with .060" 4130 steel. I had to patch the fabric on the sides where the bolt heads were under the fabric. I have had no problem since...and I'm still testing runway hardness !! :) Chuck G. NX770CG ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: fuse stringers----diagram/sketch attached
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 05, 2007
Rick, I did mine the same way. I like the look and it does keep the belly cleaner. Mine sits kinda nose high on the ground and the belly is fairly visible. I haven't done it yet, but one thing I've thought of doing, if I get loose bolts is to use a dremel to cut very small slots on the end of the bolts, well beyond the nut to use a screw driver to hold the bolt stationary while turning the nut. Just a thought... Hey Mike, are you going to make it to the T-Craft/Aeronca Fly-in this weekend? I'm planning to be there on Saturday. Weather is supposed to be really nice, hopefully they have a nice turnout! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122372#122372 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Stinemetze" <tstinemetze(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Great 4th of July story
Date: Jul 05, 2007
Not long after that, Kevin Purtee had to shelve his project as he was going to deploy to Iraq as an Apache helicopter pilot. He's been over there for more than a year and will return home soon, but I thought the group would want to read about this incident: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/4939405.html John: This story was covered this morning on CNN in a little more detail. That coverage indicated that there were two downed chopper pilots in a hot zone that had to be extracted. Since one of them was wounded and the Apache only has room for two, Mr. Purtee installed the wounded pilot in his seat and then he and the unwounded rescuee strapped themselves to the stub wings on either side of the cockpit. Exit, stage left, at about 120 MPH. What a thrill that must have been and with live fire still coming in too! We don't even HALF appreciate our fighting men and women adequately! Tom Stinemetze The Airplane Nut ____ | ____ \8/ / \ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 05, 2007
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: 2 firing strips
I have given adding a turbo a thought. And William Wynne have done some work with a turbo mod on a Corvair engine. But in the mean time I can fly on the cooler days. Rick On 7/5/07, James wrote: > > Sounds like you need a turbocharger? A Rotax 914 maybe? OMG did I say > that out loud? May the spirit of build to the plans strike me down! > > Jim T. > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland > *Sent:* Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:39 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: 2 firing strips > > Thank you for bringing me back to my senses Leon (and Chuck), when it gets > to the expected 99 degrees today the density altitude at Meadow Lake airport > (6874 ft elev) will be 11004 ft!! I don't need no stinkin bottom fairings, I > need light. > > Rick > > On 7/5/07, Leon Stefan wrote: > > > > > > Hi Rick: I did the "throw them into the air" trick. (in my mind of > > coarse) and they fell back to earth telling me that they are just added > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Rick Holland > ObjectAge Ltd. > Castle Rock, Colorado > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > * > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Scott Schreiber" <got22b(at)subarubrat.com>
Subject: Re: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings
Date: Jul 05, 2007
As Bill Church said "Do yourself a big favor and buy the set of Tony Bingelis books. It will be the best $89 you spend in building your plane." About the same time you suggested this a fellow in the chapter loaned me his Firewall Foreward Bingelis book. As soon as I saw what it had in it I ordered the whole set. I just wanted to underline this for anyone thinking about building. It is a great book set and will certainly pay for itself in wasted or misordered material alone. Fortunatly I found out I have access to a swage machine as well as a nicropress through the EAA chapter I joined a while back. For some cable ends I am using the MS20664-C4 ball ends and SA362-4 fork fittings mainly where they end at a metal fitting. For other points I will be using the nicopress and thimble. On the upside, I am starting my cabanes and have the outer fittings on and am starting on the inner ones tonight. Both wings are mostly done with the ailerons and wingtips remaining and the center section is coming along. -Scott ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pietflyr" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings
Date: Jul 06, 2007
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From: Tom Winter <twinter1(at)unl.edu>
Subject: strips, weight
Date: Jul 06, 2007
Weight? It's a two-edged deal. One reason I'm planning on sticking to the Model A Ford Engine is that I WANT some mass. You can't hardly fly an ultra-light in Nebraska--it isn't calm enough often enough to make it worthwhile. My 150 is about as light as I want to go. I often fly it near the bottom of the green, fully leaned, windows open. The Continental O-200 at the bottom of the green (2000-2200 RPMs) gives, according to the POH, 38-40 horsepower at 2500 feet. If I can get that much out, even flat out, of one of my Model A Engines, I'll be happy. Next question: Is there a place in this net for posting JPGs and files? Attachments are apparently stripped from the digest. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: anniversary celebration
Date: Jul 07, 2007
I celebrated my 38th wedding anniversary by flying the Piet this afternoon. About 45 min. in the air... flew over to Castroville, topped off with fuel, and then went out to inspect deer hunting blinds, hay fields, and how high the buzzards were flying to find lift today. Young man at Castroville watched me on final, had his eyes on me all the way down the runway, all the way in the taxiway up to the pumps, and walked up to the airplane to help me fuel. Said it was a very nifty plane but what was it? "Pietenpol". "PIETENPOL?! Really? This is a Pietenpol? Hey, it's neat!" He was covered with grease and was obviously one of the "wrenches" at the aerial applicator's hangar right by the pumps. I started to hook up the ground clamp and unreel the fuel hose and a golf cart came whizzing up. The gent knew it was a Piet and wanted to take a look. When I was done refueling, he immediately walked over to prop the airplane for me and I could tell he knew what he was doing. She fired up, away I went, and everybody watched. Everybody loves these airplanes. Oh, and I guess I'd better mention that I love my wife, too! Starting on Year 39 ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen(at)ptialaska.net>
Subject: Re: anniversary celebration
Date: Jul 07, 2007
Congrats Oscar, 38 yrs is a long long time. Your wifey must be a very patient and understanding person. If only any one of my several better halves could have been so, ain't got 38 years of bliss, but still got the airplane. On getting attention at the fuel pumps: this winter was taxiing up to get fuel when some kids that were going to the commerical flight school of Emery Riddle in Daytona were fueling. They all wanted to get pics with them and my Piete, so they could show their cronies real aviation, didn't hurt that I had my leather hat, leather jacket and motorcycle goggles. Dream-on Waldo Pepper. They all had their nice right seat trainee shoulder boards, white shirts, blue pants, etc. flying single trainer with all the bells and radios, next stop a 737. Probably never know what it's really like to fly. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 3:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: anniversary celebration > > > I celebrated my 38th wedding anniversary by flying the Piet this > afternoon. About 45 min. in the air... flew over to Castroville, topped > off with fuel, and then went out to inspect deer hunting blinds, hay > fields, and how high the buzzards were flying to find lift today. > > Young man at Castroville watched me on final, had his eyes on me all the > way down the runway, all the way in the taxiway up to the pumps, and > walked up to the airplane to help me fuel. Said it was a very nifty plane > but what was it? "Pietenpol". "PIETENPOL?! Really? This is a > Pietenpol? Hey, it's neat!" He was covered with grease and was obviously > one of the "wrenches" at the aerial applicator's hangar right by the > pumps. > > I started to hook up the ground clamp and unreel the fuel hose and a golf > cart came whizzing up. The gent knew it was a Piet and wanted to take a > look. When I was done refueling, he immediately walked over to prop the > airplane for me and I could tell he knew what he was doing. She fired up, > away I went, and everybody watched. Everybody loves these airplanes. > > Oh, and I guess I'd better mention that I love my wife, too! Starting on > Year 39 ;o) > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! > http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: anniversary celebration
From: Amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 08, 2007
Congrats Oscar! Great story. You gotta love them Piets. Seems kinda strange that I am building one and have never had a chance to fly or fly in one. Maybe at broadhead, I hope. John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 18:01:48 To:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: anniversary celebration I celebrated my 38th wedding anniversary by flying the Piet this afternoon. About 45 min. in the air... flew over to Castroville, topped off with fuel, and then went out to inspect deer hunting blinds, hay fields, and how high the buzzards were flying to find lift today. Young man at Castroville watched me on final, had his eyes on me all the way down the runway, all the way in the taxiway up to the pumps, and walked up to the airplane to help me fuel. Said it was a very nifty plane but what was it? "Pietenpol". "PIETENPOL?! Really? This is a Pietenpol? Hey, it's neat!" He was covered with grease and was obviously one of the "wrenches" at the aerial applicator's hangar right by the pumps. I started to hook up the ground clamp and unreel the fuel hose and a golf cart came whizzing up. The gent knew it was a Piet and wanted to take a look. When I was done refueling, he immediately walked over to prop the airplane for me and I could tell he knew what he was doing. She fired up, away I went, and everybody watched. Everybody loves these airplanes. Oh, and I guess I'd better mention that I love my wife, too! Starting on Year 39 ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "B McCraw" <bmccraw(at)cogeco.ca>
Subject: directions
Date: Jul 07, 2007
Pieters: Can anyone give directions to the Gatherin'. Or maybe just an address so I can Googlemap it. I'll be coming up thru Chicago. Thanks, Bill M. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: anniversary celebration
Date: Jul 07, 2007
>Seems kinda strange that I am building one and have never >had a chance to fly or fly in one. Well then, how about this: I had never seen one, never flown in one, bought one without ever seeing it or meeting the builder/owner in person, and didn't get to fly it till two years later anyway! Don't worry... that first Piet flight is well worth the wait. If you're going to Brodhead, I hope you get a ride in one though. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 07, 2007
From: "Jim Lathrop" <jlathrop(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: directions
Google map Airport Road, Brodhead, WI. Jim On 7/7/07, B McCraw wrote: > > Pieters: Can anyone give directions to the Gatherin'. Or maybe just an > address so I can Googlemap it. I'll be coming up thru Chicago. > > Thanks, Bill M. > > * > > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 07, 2007
Subject: Re: anniversary celebration
Oscar, You got me beat! John ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Graham Hansen" <ghans@cable-lynx.net>
Subject: Re: anniversary celebration
Date: Jul 07, 2007
Oscar, Today (July 7th) my wife and I celebrated our 38th anniversary, too. I didn't go flying today, but flew my Pietenpol as recently as July 5th (and a nice flight it was). Actually, I have been flying my Pietenpol almost as long as we have been married: 37 years this coming November 15th. I hope you and others can enjoy flying their Pietenpols for as long as I have mine. Cheers, Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 08, 2007
Subject: Flying to Brodhead & Baraboo
In a message dated 7/7/2007 7:27:53 PM Central Daylight Time, Amsafetyc(at)aol.com writes: Seems kinda strange that I am building one and have never had a chance to fly or fly in one. Well, John, lets go fly on Friday the 21st, at Brodhead !! How much do you weigh ? I'm probably going to fly up to Baraboo on Saturday morning, to check out all the Tailwinds up there. Then fly back to Brodhead for the campfire and Guiness on Saturday evening. Chuck G. NX770CG ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2007
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: love waving to the little people
That's one of the kicks out an open cockpit plane. Love flying over the lake that I live at and calling "YO" ,,,count to 2, and they look up. This is from 700 ft. Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: wing struts
Date: Jul 08, 2007
Does anyone have a pair of PA-11 wing struts to sell? The struts I am looking for are approx 2 1/4 x 7/8". I have been watching e bay and Barnstormers, no luck yet. I will be at Brodhead if someone has some to bring to sell. Dick N. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <wingding(at)usmo.com>
Subject: Re: wing struts
Date: Jul 08, 2007
I bought 4 about 3 yrs ago at the flymarket at Oshkosh for $20 or $25 each. Don't remember exactly. There is a publication called the "Shortwing Piper news" which I do not know how to contact, but someone on the list might, which might be the place to put an ad. dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Navratil To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 6:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing struts Does anyone have a pair of PA-11 wing struts to sell? The struts I am looking for are approx 2 1/4 x 7/8". I have been watching e bay and Barnstormers, no luck yet. I will be at Brodhead if someone has some to bring to sell. Dick N. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: One cool Pietenpol
From: "kansaswildman" <gzortman(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 08, 2007
Today, my wife and I went to Wichita, Ks, to visit a friend of mine, Chuck, who has a flying pietenpol. Trust me this is a gorgeous airplane. Chuck, works for a major aircraft manufacturer in Wichita. He is probably the most authority in Kansas on the Pietenpol. We spent several hours going over the anomolties that he had found wrong in the plans, plus showed me some improvements that he had made (of which I will make the same). We then went to the airport (cook) and went over the airplane, of which he showed me the modifications of which he made (he had a model a motor, but switched to an a65 continental). We flew in the airplane for about an hour and a half, of which I still have a big smile on my face. He has two videos of which I HIGHLY reccommend you get. I know I have one. It is just a flying pietenpol, and some gorgeous shots of his plane and of Kansas. He also has another video, which I will get later this week of how he put his plane together. He also has some books, that I honestly believe that All pietenpol builders should have (all amature homebuilt). He has a Whitman Tailwind in his garage that he is also working on. I highly suggest that you please goto his website and check it out. He has tons and tons of info that I believe is critical to building a Pietenpol. Chuck's web address is:http://nx770cg.com/ . Trust me you won't be dissappointed. Also I have his website on my links above. [Laughing] :D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122809#122809 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: One cool Pietenpol
Date: Jul 09, 2007
>Chuck, works for a major aircraft manufacturer in Wichita. >He is probably the most authority in Kansas on the Pietenpol. Hmmm... this "Chuck" guy, did he by any chance have a faint smell of baby oil? ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard and Kathryn Davis" <kbrooks(at)aptalaska.net>
Subject: WING STRUTS
Date: Jul 09, 2007
There is a set of J-3 struts on ebay right now for sale item number 270142157162 by oklahomaaviatior starting price 50 bucks plus shipping I saw Dick Navartil was looking for some.I don't know yet how to reply on the same thread so here is the message.. BTW there is about 19 hours left on this auction as od 8.15 Alaska time ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Pietenpol or Sky Scout?
Date: Jul 09, 2007
Here is a link to a local news program. Watch the video about Williamson, GA. Just after the Flour-Bombing, is that a Piet or Skyscout doing a fly-by? I need to track down this airplane if it is another "local" Piet. http://www.11alive.com/video/player.aspx?aid=74996&bw Barry Davis Brodhead - here I come!!! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: GN-1 Roll call
Date: Jul 09, 2007
Bought a partial GN-1 project. Fuselage in boat stage, most metal fittings done, Center section done, Ribs done, All tail feathers done. Landing gear started,control stick mostly done. Excellent woodwork. Since I am one of the 6 Big Piet Builders, this project is for sale. Make me an offer. Barry Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Michalkiewicz To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Roll call I am just wondering how may Grega fliers are on the list. What stage is your project in? What fuselage? What engine? Any other mods? Myself, I have ordered "Complete" plans from a "guy" in Oregon. We will see what arrives at my door if anything. I have been practicing my welds, I was getting a little worried, but I am feeling better about them. I have a Corvair core, ready for tear down. Thanks all, -Ryan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Terry Hall" <adaairport(at)cableone.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol or Sky Scout?
Date: Jul 09, 2007
Could this be a VW powered Ultra Piet? I don't think that it is Sky Scout. Terry Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Davis To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol or Sky Scout? Here is a link to a local news program. Watch the video about Williamson, GA. Just after the Flour-Bombing, is that a Piet or Skyscout doing a fly-by? I need to track down this airplane if it is another "local" Piet. http://www.11alive.com/video/player.aspx?aid=74996&bw Barry Davis Brodhead - here I come!!! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol or Sky Scout?
Date: Jul 09, 2007
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Looks like Continental power (and has the matching sound) Scout with modified cabanes and landing gear configuration. (tripod cabanes) The wing, tail, and fuselage look fairly classic Piet for the most part. You can hear the guy power-up after he drops his flour. Mike C. Good video--neat story. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen(at)ptialaska.net>
Subject: Re: WING STRUTS
Date: Jul 09, 2007
You may want to know the "fabric punch", test data on these or any older Piper struts. Was an old AD on rust forming on the lower end of all Piper struts many years ago. The test for the AD was to use a fabric test punch to see if the lower side of the lower end of the struts were thinned due to rust on the inside of the strut. The AD also had a remedial action on all Piper struts that did pass the test, that included 1/8" drilling a hole in the struts near the top and putting in preservation oil, sloshing around the oil on the inside and then draining. The AD included this "punch test" must be done at all annual inspections of the plane. Had to do it on my old Piper Colt, until had to replace the struts. Secondly, struts aren't too hard to make with streamlined tubing and a good welder, then you know what you've got. You can get the measurements for size and design off of any ole struted Cub laying around in somebodies hanger. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard and Kathryn Davis To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:19 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: WING STRUTS There is a set of J-3 struts on ebay right now for sale item number 270142157162 by oklahomaaviatior starting price 50 bucks plus shipping I saw Dick Navartil was looking for some.I don't know yet how to reply on the same thread so here is the message.. BTW there is about 19 hours left on this auction as od 8.15 Alaska time ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2007
From: Ryan Michals <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol or Sky Scout?
Cool place! Barry Davis wrote: Here is a link to a local news program. Watch the video about Williamson, GA. Just after the Flour-Bombing, is that a Piet or Skyscout doing a fly-by? I need to track down this airplane if it is another "local" Piet. http://www.11alive.com/video/player.aspx?aid=74996&bw Barry Davis Brodhead - here I come!!! --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2007
From: Tim Verthein <minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Roundup Piet
There are some nice photos of the Roundup Piet, the kids working on it, and historical photos as well at the Billings Gazette web site: http://www.billingsgazette.net/ Gotta scroll down a way to get to the link. Don't know howlong they'll be linked off their front page, but I'm sure they'll be archived too. Tim in Bovey == You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor! == Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: WING STRUTS
Date: Jul 09, 2007
Thanks for the heads up on those struts. They don't come up when searching Aviation-Parts- J-3 wing struts. Unfortunatly, they are a diffrent style from what I am looking for. Also, to respond on the same thread, just hit REPLY and you are there. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard and Kathryn Davis To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:19 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: WING STRUTS There is a set of J-3 struts on ebay right now for sale item number 270142157162 by oklahomaaviatior starting price 50 bucks plus shipping I saw Dick Navartil was looking for some.I don't know yet how to reply on the same thread so here is the message.. BTW there is about 19 hours left on this auction as od 8.15 Alaska time ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Roundup Piet
Date: Jul 10, 2007
Wow-! Very nifty instrument panel on that one, and did you catch the photos showing the "supercharger" made from a vacuum cleaner motor? Any idea what it did to performance and what drove it (belt, probably)? Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piets in San Diego
From: Amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 11, 2007
Had a short notice trip come up, on my way to San Diego. Any Piets in the area in need or open for a visit in the next couple of days? John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:00:53 To:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Roundup Piet Wow-! Very nifty instrument panel on that one, and did you catch the photos showing the "supercharger" made from a vacuum cleaner motor? Any idea what it did to performance and what drove it (belt, probably)? Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Terry Hall" <adaairport(at)cableone.net>
Subject: Spruce vs Douglas Fir
Date: Jul 11, 2007
All, Three questions concerning the subject: Has anyone substituted Douglas Fir for spruce for their front and rear spars? Has anyone ever used clear white pine? Terry Hall ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ed G." <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Spruce vs Douglas Fir
Date: Jul 11, 2007
I'm only counting two questions but; I've heard of at least three people on the list who have used Fir for their spars and I'm sure there are many more. It is about 23 to 25% stronger than spruce but slightly heavier and much less expensive. I've used clear pine for non structural stuff like seat frames but it's not as strong as spruce so I wouldn't use it for spars. But then....maybe 1" pine spars might work if the grain was up to specs? I've just never heard of it being done and being from Florida I've never seen a clear 13 foot pine board......Ed G. >From: "Terry Hall" <adaairport(at)cableone.net> >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spruce vs Douglas Fir >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:15:54 -0500 > >All, > >Three questions concerning the subject: > >Has anyone substituted Douglas Fir for spruce for their front and rear >spars? Has anyone ever used clear white pine? > >Terry Hall ________________________________________________________________________________
From: pietn38b(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 11, 2007
Subject: Re: Spruce vs Douglas Fir
My wings and fuselage were built with fir. Been flying since 1995. JIM ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 11, 2007
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Getting out is as easy as 1, 2, 3
Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 11, 2007
Subject: Re: Spruce vs Douglas Fir
In a message dated 7/11/2007 2:17:59 PM Central Daylight Time, adaairport(at)cableone.net writes: All, Three questions concerning the subject: Has anyone substituted Douglas Fir for spruce for their front and rear spars? Has anyone ever used clear white pine? Terry Hall I used Doug Fir for the 3/4 X 4 3/4 spars, but I wouldn't even consider clear white pine, unless it is covered as acceptable in the AC 43.13. Chuck G. NX770CG ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ed G." <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Getting out is as easy as 1, 2, 3
Date: Jul 11, 2007
Another good reason for the use of jury struts!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: walt evans<mailto:waltdak(at)verizon.net> To: piet list Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 5:58 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Getting out is as easy as 1, 2, 3 Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 11, 2007
From: Ryan Michals <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Reclining the seat back
I am assuming you recline the seat by repositioning the struts in the fuselage sides, is this correct? Ryan Mark You will need the long fuse if using the Corvair or Cont. engine. My main complaint in building the short fuse was that after a couple of hours of flying my lower back gets real sore from the angle of the seat back to the seat bottom. On my new long fuse, I reclined the seat back 1 1/2" at the top and flattened out the seat bottom. Also, I went with the dimensions for the short fuse in building the bridge decks between cockpits and the forward cockpit. The result is that I have an additional 9 1/2" in the rear cockpit. Width has not been an issue for me. I am 5'10" - 200lb. If you are located near MPLS, MN. you can come over and sit in both and see what you think. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Blackwell" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans study update > > Well first little issue and hopefully I am just not reading the drawing > wrong. I may be looking at the drawings for the short fuselage and not > the long. I will definately need the long fuselage. > > The plans call for a 31 inch space between the rear pit and the front > seat. Trouble is I have about 36 inch legs. When bent up enough it > forces knees into what will be the panel. That will have to be > lengthed. Width was not a problem. I wasn't wide enough yet to have > that be that big of a problem. > > A couple of options. One is cramp the person in the front pit. Not > ideal. If you want to take someone for a ride you want them to enjoy it > as well. > > Option get rid of the front seat. Well at least make it a baggage > compartment. Most of the time thats all the front pit would be used > for, but I would still like the ability to take someone along for the > ride should I choose to. > > Lengthen the fuselage. It looks like going forward would have very > little impact. Im about 220 so going back probably wouldn't be the way > to go. Especially since the datam is the leading edge of the wing. I > saw a rearward CG limit in the plans, but is there a forward CG limit? > If so what is it and how much of an extension can be made without a big > impact on balance. > > Thanks all for the help. Its going to be a whale of a ride gettting > this done. > --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 11, 2007
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Reclining the seat back
You may already be planning to do this but building a mock cockpit with scrap before you start cutting the expensive wood is the way to get the cockpit just the way you want it. Rick On 7/11/07, Ryan Michals wrote: > > ** > * I am assuming you recline the seat by repositioning the struts > in the fuselage sides, is this correct?* > ** > *Ryan* > ** > ** > *Mark* > *You will need the long fuse if using the Corvair or Cont. engine. My > main* > *complaint in building the short fuse was that after a couple of hours of* > *flying my lower back gets real sore from the angle of the seat back to > the* > *seat bottom. On my new long fuse, I reclined the seat back 1 1/2" at the > * > *top and flattened out the seat bottom. Also, I went with the dimensions > for* > *the short fuse in building the bridge decks between cockpits and the > forward* > *cockpit. The result is that I have an additional 9 1/2" in the rear* > *cockpit. Width has not been an issue for me. I am 5'10" - 200lb. If you > * > *are located near MPLS, MN. you can come over and sit in both and see what > * > *you think.* > *Dick N.* > *----- Original Message -----* > *From: "Mark Blackwell" * > *Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans study update* > * * > * * > *> * > *> Well first little issue and hopefully I am just not reading the drawing > * > *> wrong. I may be looking at the drawings for the short fuselage and not > * > *> the long. I will definately need the long fuselage.* > *> * > *> The plans call for a 31 inch space between the rear pit and the front* > *> seat. Trouble is I have about 36 inch legs. When bent up enough it* > *> forces knees into what will be the panel. That will have to be* > *> lengthed. Width was not a problem. I wasn't wide enough yet to have* > *> that be that big of a problem.* > *> * > *> A couple of options. One is cramp the person in the front pit. Not* > *> ideal. If you want to take someone for a ride you want them to enjoy > it* > *> as well.* > *> * > *> Option get rid of the front seat. Well at least make it a baggage* > *> compartment. Most of the time thats all the front pit would be used* > *> for, but I would still like the ability to take someone along for the* > *> ride should I choose to.* > *> * > *> Lengthen the fuselage. It looks like going forward would have very* > *> little impact. Im about 220 so going back probably wouldn't be the way > * > *> to go. Especially since the datam is the leading edge of the wing. I* > *> saw a rearward CG limit in the plans, but is there a forward CG limit?* > *> If so what is it and how much of an extension can be made without a big > * > *> impact on balance.* > *> * > *> Thanks all for the help. Its going to be a whale of a ride gettting* > *> this done.* > *> * > > > ------------------------------ > Never miss an email again! > Yahoo! Toolbar<http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49938/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/>alerts you the instant new Mail arrives.Check it out. > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Reclining the seat back
Date: Jul 11, 2007
Ryan Are you going to Brodhead or OSH? If so, you can sit in my new plane and see if you like the way I spaced it out and the larger leg hole openings. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Michals To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Reclining the seat back I am assuming you recline the seat by repositioning the struts in the fuselage sides, is this correct? Ryan Mark You will need the long fuse if using the Corvair or Cont. engine. My main complaint in building the short fuse was that after a couple of hours of flying my lower back gets real sore from the angle of the seat back to the seat bottom. On my new long fuse, I reclined the seat back 1 1/2" at the top and flattened out the seat bottom. Also, I went with the dimensions for the short fuse in building the bridge decks between cockpits and the forward cockpit. The result is that I have an additional 9 1/2" in the rear cockpit. Width has not been an issue for me. I am 5'10" - 200lb. If you are located near MPLS, MN. you can come over and sit in both and see what you think. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Blackwell" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans study update > > Well first little issue and hopefully I am just not reading the drawing > wrong. I may be looking at the drawings for the short fuselage and not > the long. I will definately need the long fuselage. > > The plans call for a 31 inch space between the rear pit and the front > seat. Trouble is I have about 36 inch legs. When bent up enough it > forces knees into what will be the panel. That will have to be > lengthed. Width was not a problem. I wasn't wide enough yet to have > that be that big of a problem. > > A couple of options. One is cramp the person in the front pit. Not > ideal. If you want to take someone for a ride you want them to enjoy it > as well. > > Option get rid of the front seat. Well at least make it a baggage > compartment. Most of the time thats all the front pit would be used > for, but I would still like the ability to take someone along for the > ride should I choose to. > > Lengthen the fuselage. It looks like going forward would have very > little impact. Im about 220 so going back probably wouldn't be the way > to go. Especially since the datam is the leading edge of the wing. I > saw a rearward CG limit in the plans, but is there a forward CG limit? > If so what is it and how much of an extension can be made without a big > impact on balance. > > Thanks all for the help. Its going to be a whale of a ride gettting > this done. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 11, 2007
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: In need of air carrier.....
Fellow Pieters.......... Anyone living near Corky traveling up to Brodhead, WI for the Pietenpol gathering? If so please advise..... Ken H. Fargo, ND Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Terry Hall" <adaairport(at)cableone.net>
Subject: Follow up question on Douglas Fir
Date: Jul 12, 2007
All, Thanks for the input on spruce vs. fir. If I decided to use Douglas Fir for spars, where could I buy the 14 foot lengths? Any thoughts? Terry Hall ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tom Winter <twinter1(at)unl.edu>
Subject: Brodhead "NOTAM"?
Date: Jul 12, 2007
I will be arriving in my Cessna 150 Saturday morning for Ken Perkins' engine presentation, from the 150/152 reunion in Clinton, Iowa. Anything I should know about landing, parking? Reason I ask is because of experience at the Annual Nebraska Ultralight Gathering last weekend. There was no radio response, there was no parking guide. I found out after I parked that I was supposed to cut the engine before getting on to the apron. Made sense, but I landed just when the one parking volunteer was on break. They need a "NOTAM." Hence my question. What should I know about flying in to the Pietenpol gathering in addition to the airport info? The annual 150/152 gathering is just 62 miles to the southwest. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Follow up question on Douglas Fir
Date: Jul 12, 2007
Terry Where are you located? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Hall To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Follow up question on Douglas Fir All, Thanks for the input on spruce vs. fir. If I decided to use Douglas Fir for spars, where could I buy the 14 foot lengths? Any thoughts? Terry Hall ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 12, 2007
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Fuselage drain holes
That discussion last week about fuselage exterior fairing strips brought up another issue I hadn't thought about which is the need for water drain holes in the fuselage floor (which would apply to any open cockpit aircraft). Am thinking of adding two holes in front of each ash cross member and the panel in front of each seat for a total of eight. Any opinions from any experienced Piet users? Rick -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Chapman" <greg(at)mousetrax.com>
Subject: Brodhead "NOTAM"?
Date: Jul 12, 2007
I've been wondering that myself. I'm intending to bring my lowly Cessna but would prefer to avoid a repeat of my arrival at Clow last year. It was a surprise, let me tell you, to arrive in the middle of the airshow. Fortunately, they knew there should have been a NOTAM and no one gave me grief. It just would have been better to know ahead of time. Greg Chapman http://www.mousetrax.com http://www.layer1wireless.com "Don't start with me or I'll replace you with a small and efficient script!" > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner- > pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winter > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:23 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead "NOTAM"? > > > I will be arriving in my Cessna 150 Saturday morning for Ken Perkins' > engine presentation, from the 150/152 reunion in Clinton, Iowa. > > Anything I should know about landing, parking? Reason I ask is > because of experience at the Annual Nebraska Ultralight Gathering > last weekend. There was no radio response, there was no parking > guide. I found out after I parked that I was supposed to cut the > engine before getting on to the apron. Made sense, but I landed > just when the one parking volunteer was on break. They need a "NOTAM." > > Hence my question. What should I know about flying in to the > Pietenpol gathering in addition to the airport info? > > The annual 150/152 gathering is just 62 miles to the southwest. > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Getting out is as easy as 1, 2, 3
Date: Jul 12, 2007
Ahhhh the memories! I'll never forget my first ride in an Aircamper. It was about 2001 or so and the ride was at Brodhead with Kim Stickler in his yellow GN-1. He said "do exactly as I tell you" and it was Left foot here, right hand here, etc. When all the gymnastics were over I had my large butt in the front cockpit, but then the main problem surfaced - I was facing backwards. That didn't phase Kim one bit, he calmly said "Oh, I meant RIGHT foot here, LEFT hand here". Of course all my buddies were snapping pictures like Walmart was giving away free prints. And yes they did show up on the front page of our EAA Newsletter. See ya'll at Brodhead Barry Davis ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Terry Hall" <adaairport(at)cableone.net>
Subject: Re: Follow up question on Douglas Fir
Date: Jul 12, 2007
I work in Ada, OK, but live in TX. ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Davis To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Follow up question on Douglas Fir Terry Where are you located? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Hall To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Follow up question on Douglas Fir All, Thanks for the input on spruce vs. fir. If I decided to use Douglas Fir for spars, where could I buy the 14 foot lengths? Any thoughts? Terry Hall href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Anyone going to Arlington tomorrow evening?
Date: Jul 12, 2007
I'm in town on business and might get to go over around 5:00pm for some wandering around... Any other Piet folks gonna be around? Jim Markle (currently in Tulalip...) 214.505.6101 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Follow up question on Douglas Fir
Date: Jul 12, 2007
A little too far from Atlanta, but check with your larger locally owned lumberyards, not Home Depot. We found a very large supply of perfect wood that the owner said had not been picked through for over 20 years. The bundles were stuck in the back on the bottom, it took 2 days to get it out. It's out there, you just have to look for it. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Hall To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:22 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Follow up question on Douglas Fir I work in Ada, OK, but live in TX. ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Davis To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Follow up question on Douglas Fir Terry Where are you located? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Hall To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Follow up question on Douglas Fir All, Thanks for the input on spruce vs. fir. If I decided to use Douglas Fir for spars, where could I buy the 14 foot lengths? Any thoughts? Terry Hall href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone going to Arlington tomorrow evening?
Date: Jul 12, 2007
Jim, I follow the flybaby site as well as this site (it's a wood plane) and I find the members very knowledgeable and frendly. If you don't find any Pieters I think it would be worth your while to go talk with them. They are having an open BBQ. If you will go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flybabylist/message/7260 you will find the invite and directions. Only wish I could be there. let me know if it works out Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Markle To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone going to Arlington tomorrow evening? I'm in town on business and might get to go over around 5:00pm for some wandering around... Any other Piet folks gonna be around? Jim Markle (currently in Tulalip...) 214.505.6101 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 7/11/2007 4:09 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Terry Hall" <adaairport(at)cableone.net>
Subject: Another question about Douglas Fir
Date: Jul 12, 2007
All, I have found some "D Fir" at my local lumber yard that is 2x6x16. Is D Fir the same as "Douglas Fir ." I recall reading somewhere that these are not the same. I understand that I would have to select carefully and apply the guidelines of AC43-13. Terry Hall ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 12, 2007
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Fuselage drain holes
Yeah, gotta have drain holes in lots of places. Bought a cheap pencil soldering iron. For instance, put them lower side, just in front of trailing edge wood piece, next to where each rib meets. With dihedral, it would be so that the moisture would run down to meet the rib and go out the hole there. Same along bottom of fuse, horz. stab, and bottom of tail and rudder. Practice so you don't go too deep and put a hole in the top of the wing. Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:56 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage drain holes That discussion last week about fuselage exterior fairing strips brought up another issue I hadn't thought about which is the need for water drain holes in the fuselage floor (which would apply to any open cockpit aircraft). Am thinking of adding two holes in front of each ash cross member and the panel in front of each seat for a total of eight. Any opinions from any experienced Piet users? Rick -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 12, 2007
Subject: Re: Another question about Douglas Fir
In a message dated 7/12/2007 2:37:58 PM Central Daylight Time, adaairport(at)cableone.net writes: All, I have found some "D Fir" at my local lumber yard that is 2x6x16. Is D Fir the same as "Douglas Fir ." I recall reading somewhere that these are not the same. I understand that I would have to select carefully and apply the guidelines of AC43-13. Terry Hall Terry, You will need 'Quarter Sawn' lumber for the spars. They are cut that way to minimize warpage. Normal lumber yard stuff is NOT quarter sawn, no matter what kind of wood it is. However, once in a while they accidentally cut a board and it ends up as quarter sawn lumber. The spars also have to meet the grain requirements called out in the AC 43.13. I had a fellow named Gus Wiebe, from a little FBO at Halstead KS, cut the spars for my Pietenpol, and my Tailwind. Halstead is about 25 miles north of Wichita, KS. He's an older gentleman, and has been in aviation since he was a kid, dealing mainly with wood airplanes...and his sons are too. The last I knew, his phone number is 785-835-2417, but you would probably have to go pick it up. He did an excellent job with my spars. He cut the scarf joints for the Piet spars, too (Tailwind spars didn't need any scarfs). Scarf joints must be Cut with a saw or a planner, and DO NOT Ever sand on the scarfed surfaces, or sawdust will plug some of the microscopic capillary tubes in the lumber, and the adhesive will not penetrate into the wood far enough. Chuck G. NX770CG _http://nx770cg.com/_ (http://nx770cg.com/) ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 12, 2007
Subject: Re: Fuselage drain holes
In a message dated 7/12/2007 9:58:31 AM Central Daylight Time, at7000ft(at)gmail.com writes: Am thinking of adding two holes in front of each ash cross member and the panel in front of each seat for a total of eight. Any opinions from any experienced Piet users? Rick, Last week I mentioned that I have 4 holes in the floor, but I actually have 6...I forgot about the crossmember that I catch my feet on, every time I wiggle down in the cockpit. I also have a drain hole in the bay where the cowling fuel tank sits, with a fitting on it and a piece of tygon tubing that extends straight down, and exits in front of the right front gear / lift strut lug. It's there in case the tank develops a leak. Chuck G. NX770CG _http://nx770cg.com/_ (http://nx770cg.com/) ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" <M.Silvius(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: 1974 PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER
Date: Jul 12, 2007
ebay item # 160137321645 buy now price 7500$ looks like a sweet deal for someone on the left coast. also see ebay item # 300128966887 for a nice project aircamper. Michael Silvius Scarborough, Maine ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 12, 2007
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fuselage drain holes
Good thinking Chuck, that wouldn't be fun flying around with an inch of gasoline sloshing around on the cockpit floor. Rick On 7/12/07, Rcaprd(at)aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/12/2007 9:58:31 AM Central Daylight Time, > at7000ft(at)gmail.com writes: > > Am thinking of adding two holes in front of each ash cross member and the > panel in front of each seat for a total of eight. Any opinions from any > experienced Piet users? > > Rick, > Last week I mentioned that I have 4 holes in the floor, but I actually > have 6...I forgot about the crossmember that I catch my feet on, every time > I wiggle down in the cockpit. I also have a drain hole in the bay where the > cowling fuel tank sits, with a fitting on it and a piece of tygon tubing > that extends straight down, and exits in front of the right front gear / > lift strut lug. It's there in case the tank develops a leak. > > Chuck G. > NX770CG > http://nx770cg.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL.com<http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982> > . > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 12, 2007
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Anyone going to Arlington tomorrow evening?
What's up for the weekend Bub? Clif I'm in town on business and might get to go over around 5:00pm for some wandering around... Any other Piet folks gonna be around? Jim Markle (currently in Tulalip...) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone going to Arlington tomorrow evening?
Date: Jul 13, 2007
Thanks for the note, Gene! Actually, meeting up with the Flybaby group would be neat. That name is pretty high up on my list of favorite homebuilts! I'm just hoping the rain holds off so I can spend some time there tonite! Thanks again. jm ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene & Tammy Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:05 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone going to Arlington tomorrow evening? Jim, I follow the flybaby site as well as this site (it's a wood plane) and I find the members very knowledgeable and frendly. If you don't find any Pieters I think it would be worth your while to go talk with them. They are having an open BBQ. If you will go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flybabylist/message/7260 you will find the invite and directions. Only wish I could be there. let me know if it works out Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Markle Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone going to Arlington tomorrow evening? I'm in town on business and might get to go over around 5:00pm for some wandering around... Any other Piet folks gonna be around? Jim Markle (currently in Tulalip...) 214.505.6101 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com Date: 7/11/2007 4:09 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: douglas fir
Date: Jul 13, 2007
I don't know if you can get super small quantities, but ck out Bear Creek Lumber. I know they sell "select vertical grain DF". They shipped me a bunch for a house project from WA to KY and it was still a deal. They sent me sample pics of their stacks. For extra, somebody there might hand choose some pieces for you. Never tried them for airplane stuff, but that's their specialty. google search them Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Terry Hall" <adaairport(at)cableone.net>
Subject: Re: douglas fir
Date: Jul 13, 2007
Douwe, I sent them an inquiry today to see how much my small amount would cost. A "signicant handling charge" accompanies small orders. I thought I would at least check it out. Thanks, Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 11:38 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: douglas fir I don't know if you can get super small quantities, but ck out Bear Creek Lumber. I know they sell "select vertical grain DF". They shipped me a bunch for a house project from WA to KY and it was still a deal. They sent me sample pics of their stacks. For extra, somebody there might hand choose some pieces for you. Never tried them for airplane stuff, but that's their specialty. google search them Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: douglas fir
From: "Brown Gravy" <mjs.browngravy(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 13, 2007
Have you tried "craigslist"? You may have luck there. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123647#123647 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BYD(at)att.net
Subject: Anyone going to Arlington tomorrow evening?
Date: Jul 13, 2007
Went to Arlington Thursday 7/12/07 and saw one Piet/GN1 a nice one from Ellensburg. Looked like a fun one! Sorry I missed you Jim. Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 13, 2007
From: "jimboyer(at)hughes.net" <jimboyer(at)hughes.net>
Subject: Re: douglas fir
Hi Terry, Go to your local lumberyard and check if they stock clear Douglas Fir flooring. My lumberyard does and my entire Piet is made of it. The planks are typically 7 to 9 inches in width and anywhere from 10 to 16 feet long. If they will let you go through the stack you will find a lot of them are almost perfect quartersawn and almost all of mine are 10 to 16 growth rings per inch. They only have to be 8 rings per inch if I remember right. The planks will be S4S and their thickness will be 3/4 inch to 11/16 inch. All of my longerons and uprights are 1"x3/4" and in my personal (do your own tests) tests all are as strong as or stronger than 1"x1" spruce. You do have to be a little careful to use sharp saw blades and watch for splintering, but I have had absolutely no trouble. Cheers, Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 13, 2007
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Anyone going to Arlington tomorrow evening?
That wouldn't be this one, would it? Clif > > Went to Arlington Thursday 7/12/07 and saw one Piet/GN1 - a nice one from > Ellensburg. Looked like a fun one! Sorry I missed you Jim. > > Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BYD(at)att.net
Subject: Re: Anyone going to Arlington tomorrow evening?
Date: Jul 14, 2007
That wouldn't be this one, would it? Clif +++++++++++++++++++++++ Yes, that's the one Clif. It had cockpit coevers on so I couldn't see the interior and my camera battery failed just then (of course) so I couldn't take pictures. Havn't met Terri, but I think the placard said it was completed in 2005. I noticed it has a tow-hook for hand-propping (I assume). Nice plane!! Bill
That wouldn't be this one, would it?

Clif

+++++++++++++++++++++++

Yes, that's the one Clif. It had cockpit coevers on so I couldn't see the interior and my camera battery failed just then (of course) so I couldn't take pictures.

Havn't met Terri, but I think the placard said it was completed in 2005. I noticed it has a tow-hook for hand-propping (I assume). Nice plane!!

Bill

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Date: Jul 14, 2007
From: Ryan Michals <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Reclining the seat back
Did you feel 1 1/2" was enough or would you do more. I just got my wood (wooo hoo) and I can't wait to start building. Ryan Michaels Dick Navratil wrote: Ryan Are you going to Brodhead or OSH? If so, you can sit in my new plane and see if you like the way I spaced it out and the larger leg hole openings. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Michals To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Reclining the seat back I am assuming you recline the seat by repositioning the struts in the fuselage sides, is this correct? Ryan Mark You will need the long fuse if using the Corvair or Cont. engine. My main complaint in building the short fuse was that after a couple of hours of flying my lower back gets real sore from the angle of the seat back to the seat bottom. On my new long fuse, I reclined the seat back 1 1/2" at the top and flattened out the seat bottom. Also, I went with the dimensions for the short fuse in building the bridge decks between cockpits and the forward cockpit. The result is that I have an additional 9 1/2" in the rear cockpit. Width has not been an issue for me. I am 5'10" - 200lb. If you are located near MPLS, MN. you can come over and sit in both and see what you think. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Blackwell" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans study update > > Well first little issue and hopefully I am just not reading the drawing > wrong. I may be looking at the drawings for the short fuselage and not > the long. I will definately need the long fuselage. > > The plans call for a 31 inch space between the rear pit and the front > seat. Trouble is I have about 36 inch legs. When bent up enough it > forces knees into what will be the panel. That will have to be > lengthed. Width was not a problem. I wasn't wide enough yet to have > that be that big of a problem. > > A couple of options. One is cramp the person in the front pit. Not > ideal. If you want to take someone for a ride you want them to enjoy it > as well. > > Option get rid of the front seat. Well at least make it a baggage > compartment. Most of the time thats all the front pit would be used > for, but I would still like the ability to take someone along for the > ride should I choose to. > > Lengthen the fuselage. It looks like going forward would have very > little impact. Im about 220 so going back probably wouldn't be the way > to go. Especially since the datam is the leading edge of the wing. I > saw a rearward CG limit in the plans, but is there a forward CG limit? > If so what is it and how much of an extension can be made without a big > impact on balance. > > Thanks all for the help. Its going to be a whale of a ride gettting > this done. > --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 14, 2007
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Anyone going to Arlington tomorrow evening?
Terri bought it from someone else and, of course, I can't remember who. This pic will enlarge greatly and still retain reasonable sharpness to see instrument layout. Pretty skinny cockpit if I remember right. But then I can't even remember Hugh. :-) Clif +++++++++++++++++++++++ Yes, that's the one Clif. It had cockpit coevers on so I couldn't see the interior and my camera battery failed just then (of course) so I couldn't take pictures. Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
From: SSchof4277(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 15, 2007
Subject: Re: Reclining the seat back
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Date: Jul 15, 2007
From: Ryan Michals <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Seat bottom
Dick I potted the seat back at +1.5" and I like it. I don't want to get too far between struts. You mentioned that you "flattened" the seat bottom out. What kind of angle did you use if any? Thanks Ryan Dick Navratil wrote: Ryan Are you going to Brodhead or OSH? If so, you can sit in my new plane and see if you like the way I spaced it out and the larger leg hole openings. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Michals To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Reclining the seat back I am assuming you recline the seat by repositioning the struts in the fuselage sides, is this correct? Ryan Mark You will need the long fuse if using the Corvair or Cont. engine. My main complaint in building the short fuse was that after a couple of hours of flying my lower back gets real sore from the angle of the seat back to the seat bottom. On my new long fuse, I reclined the seat back 1 1/2" at the top and flattened out the seat bottom. Also, I went with the dimensions for the short fuse in building the bridge decks between cockpits and the forward cockpit. The result is that I have an additional 9 1/2" in the rear cockpit. Width has not been an issue for me. I am 5'10" - 200lb. If you are located near MPLS, MN. you can come over and sit in both and see what you think. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Blackwell" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans study update > > Well first little issue and hopefully I am just not reading the drawing > wrong. I may be looking at the drawings for the short fuselage and not > the long. I will definately need the long fuselage. > > The plans call for a 31 inch space between the rear pit and the front > seat. Trouble is I have about 36 inch legs. When bent up enough it > forces knees into what will be the panel. That will have to be > lengthed. Width was not a problem. I wasn't wide enough yet to have > that be that big of a problem. > > A couple of options. One is cramp the person in the front pit. Not > ideal. If you want to take someone for a ride you want them to enjoy it > as well. > > Option get rid of the front seat. Well at least make it a baggage > compartment. Most of the time thats all the front pit would be used > for, but I would still like the ability to take someone along for the > ride should I choose to. > > Lengthen the fuselage. It looks like going forward would have very > little impact. Im about 220 so going back probably wouldn't be the way > to go. Especially since the datam is the leading edge of the wing. I > saw a rearward CG limit in the plans, but is there a forward CG limit? > If so what is it and how much of an extension can be made without a big > impact on balance. > > Thanks all for the help. Its going to be a whale of a ride gettting > this done. > --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Seat bottom
Date: Jul 15, 2007
Hi Ryan I checked it out today. My seat on the first Piet has a 90 degree angle from the seat back to bottom. The new one reclines back about an additional 20 degrees. I wouldn't go back any more than that. It was a beautiful day in MN & west WI. I first flew to a breakfast fly in and then went back and did my first taxi test on the new plane. It doesn't get better than that. See you next weekend ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Michals To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 6:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat bottom Dick I potted the seat back at +1.5" and I like it. I don't want to get too far between struts. You mentioned that you "flattened" the seat bottom out. What kind of angle did you use if any? Thanks Ryan Dick Navratil wrote: Ryan Are you going to Brodhead or OSH? If so, you can sit in my new plane and see if you like the way I spaced it out and the larger leg hole openings. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Michals To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Reclining the seat back I am assuming you recline the seat by repositioning the struts in the fuselage sides, is this correct? Ryan Mark You will need the long fuse if using the Corvair or Cont. engine. My main complaint in building the short fuse was that after a couple of hours of flying my lower back gets real sore from the angle of the seat back to the seat bottom. On my new long fuse, I reclined the seat back 1 1/2" at the top and flattened out the seat bottom. Also, I went with the dimensions for the short fuse in building the bridge decks between cockpits and the forward cockpit. The result is that I have an additional 9 1/2" in the rear cockpit. Width has not been an issue for me. I am 5'10" - 200lb. If you are located near MPLS, MN. you can come over and sit in both and see what you think. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Blackwell" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans study update > > Well first little issue and hopefully I am just not reading the drawing > wrong. I may be looking at the drawings for the short fuselage and not > the long. I will definately need the long fuselage. > > The plans call for a 31 inch space between the rear pit and the front > seat. Trouble is I have about 36 inch legs. When bent up enough it > forces knees into what will be the panel. That will have to be > lengthed. Width was not a problem. I wasn't wide enough yet to have > that be that big of a problem. > > A couple of options. One is cramp the person in the front pit. Not > ideal. If you want to take someone for a ride you want them to enjoy it > as well. > > Option get rid of the front seat. Well at least make it a baggage > compartment. Most of the time thats all the front pit would be used > for, but I would still like the ability to take someone along for the > ride should I choose to. > > Lengthen the fuselage. It looks like going forward would have very > little impact. Im about 220 so going back probably wouldn't be the way > to go. Especially since the datam is the leading edge of the wing. I > saw a rearward CG limit in the plans, but is there a forward CG limit? > If so what is it and how much of an extension can be made without a big > impact on balance. > > Thanks all for the help. Its going to be a whale of a ride gettting > this done. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com Get better relationship answers from someone who knows.Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Fredericksburg, TX fly-out
Date: Jul 16, 2007
I know this is probably a long shot, but if there is anybody near Fredericksburg, TX on Saturday, August 11 our company flying club (Southwest Aero Club) is planning a fly-out and I hope to take 41CC out there for the event. The airport there is Gillespie County, T82, and we're planning to arrive around 8:30 AM. We'll be there for a couple of hours if anybody is interested in seeing my Piet. I'll know more later. The "real" airplane pilots (spam canners) were discussing weather minima for taking off that morning and were talking about our frequent low ceilings in the morning around here. I told them that I usually fly at 500' AGL, which almost always puts me below the morning stratus with VFR clearances from cloud. Silence. ;o) These guys don't seem to be happy unless they are up there somewhere on oxygen! Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: shipping an airplane
Date: Jul 16, 2007
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Guys, Off topic but perhaps one of you knows. How best to ship a crated plane overseas say to South Africa ? I would crate and secure but wondering anyone with first-hand knowledge ? Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Some new Piet photos on the net
Date: Jul 16, 2007
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Since the list is so quiet today... zzzzz I ran across some new photos on the "world-wide interweb", over the weekend. It's a very nicely built Canadian Air Camper, nick-named Canadian Goose. >From the pictures I see a few interesting features, including all wood lift struts, cabane struts, and jury struts, and what appears to be aluminum cladding down as far as the side stringer (not sure why). Take a look for yourself. Here's the link: http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=pietenpol&s=rec Bill C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fredericksburg, TX fly-out
Date: Jul 16, 2007
From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu>
Reminds me of my flight Saturday morning. I was having a blast in a 20mph headwind right down the runway. Take-off was really short and climb seemed better than normal - really you just climb away without covering much ground. Anyway I couldn't help myself and after about 8 touch and goes I washed the plane and went for a drying run. A DA20 Katana taxied out behind me and started their run-up. I took off, climbed to 400' did an abbreviated pattern and was back on final as they approached the runway. They stopped short and waited for me to land. Total flight time was less than 90 seconds, easily within a 1/2 mile circle. I imagined a cockpit comment that went something like this: Student: "Wher'd he come from? Didn't he *just* take-off?" Instructor: "Yeah, wish we had a pietenpol...." Steve e. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fredericksburg, TX fly-out I know this is probably a long shot, but if there is anybody near Fredericksburg, TX on Saturday, August 11 our company flying club (Southwest Aero Club) is planning a fly-out and I hope to take 41CC out there for the event. The airport there is Gillespie County, T82, and we're planning to arrive around 8:30 AM. We'll be there for a couple of hours if anybody is interested in seeing my Piet. I'll know more later. The "real" airplane pilots (spam canners) were discussing weather minima for taking off that morning and were talking about our frequent low ceilings in the morning around here. I told them that I usually fly at 500' AGL, which almost always puts me below the morning stratus with VFR clearances from cloud. Silence. ;o) These guys don't seem to be happy unless they are up there somewhere on oxygen! Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: shipping an airplane
Date: Jul 16, 2007
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com>
Why not just fly it over? I'll bet Corky can give you a lead on where to buy Ping Pong balls in bulk. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 3:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane Guys, Off topic but perhaps one of you knows. How best to ship a crated plane overseas say to South Africa ? I would crate and secure but wondering anyone with first-hand knowledge ? Mike C. _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: shipping an airplane
Date: Jul 16, 2007
shipping an airplaneWe got a Yak and an SP-95 from England a few years ago and they came both packed inside a shipping container. I don't think the shipping was all that outrageous. They dropped the container at the grass strip and came back a couple of days later to pick it up. All we did was put out a call to the EAA Chapter and about a dozen guys showed up within a couple of hours armed with crowbars. We had them out in 3 hours. I'm sure you could do this in reverse. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 3:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane Guys, Off topic but perhaps one of you knows. How best to ship a crated plane overseas say to South Africa ? I would crate and secure but wondering anyone with first-hand knowledge ? Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 500 agl and spam cans
Date: Jul 16, 2007
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Oscar, Your story reminds me of when I was in a room full of Oshkosh pilots who were slated to be photographed by EAA's Photo One (a Cessna Centurion I believe) the next day. We were all briefed on our time slots, where to be, etc. Our duty was to fly over to the east side of Lake Winnebago to an airport in New Holstein. That translates into a 18 mile trip, 9 of which are over water. The pilot of Photo One asked three questions and I was the only one to answer all three questions with yes's. "is there anyone in this room who does not have a radio, gps, or are willing to fly over Lake Winnebago ? In 1998 and 1999 I flew to and from Oshkosh with a sectional chart, no radio, and shot the no-radio portion of the arrival NOTAM and it worked like a charm. The other pilots in the room looked at me like I had VD, Aids, and leprosy combined. One guy complained because EAA wasn't going to fill his gas tanks in his plane that evidently consumed a good amount of fuel and this is when fuel was still reasonable. Since 1999 I have treated myself (on two successive birthdays) to an Icom A-5 hand-held radio and a Garmin Pilot III gps unit. You can still chuck the radio though it is nice for listening to who is doing what around airports and for the WX channels and AWOS stations but the gps is to die for. (well, hopefully not) Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Terry Hall" <adaairport(at)cableone.net>
Subject: Static Port
Date: Jul 16, 2007
Hello all, My Sky Scout plans do not include a location for a static port, but I read somewhere that one is recommended for an open cockpit airplane. What has been your experiences with your Piets? I'm thinking about installing it port side aft near the horizontal stabilizer (if required). Terry Hall ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Terry Hall" <adaairport(at)cableone.net>
Subject: Re: 500 agl and spam cans
Date: Jul 16, 2007
One of the reasons that a Piet appeals to me in my middle age is that I cannot install a glass cockpit in it. Wind in your face, bugs in your teeth, silk scarf flapping in the breeze, and your only sectional chart being sucked out the cockpit. I do however must confess that my GPS is "to die for." Terry Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 4:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 500 agl and spam cans > > > > Oscar, > > Your story reminds me of when I was in a room full of Oshkosh pilots who > were > slated to be photographed by EAA's Photo One (a Cessna Centurion I > believe) the next day. > We were all briefed on our time slots, where to be, etc. Our duty was > to fly over to the east side > of Lake Winnebago to an airport in New Holstein. That translates into a > 18 mile trip, 9 of which are > over water. The pilot of Photo One asked three questions and I was the > only one to answer all three > questions with yes's. "is there anyone in this room who does not have a > radio, gps, or are willing to > fly over Lake Winnebago ? In 1998 and 1999 I flew to and from Oshkosh > with a sectional chart, no radio, > and shot the no-radio portion of the arrival NOTAM and it worked like a > charm. The other pilots in the > room looked at me like I had VD, Aids, and leprosy combined. One guy > complained because EAA wasn't > going to fill his gas tanks in his plane that evidently consumed a good > amount of fuel and this is when > fuel was still reasonable. Since 1999 I have treated myself (on two > successive birthdays) to an Icom A-5 > hand-held radio and a Garmin Pilot III gps unit. You can still chuck > the radio though it is nice for > listening to who is doing what around airports and for the WX channels > and AWOS stations but the gps is > to die for. (well, hopefully not) > > Mike C. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: shipping an airplane
Date: Jul 16, 2007
shipping an airplaneMike, I shipped a plane from Anchorage Alaska to Paris Tennessee a few years ago with good results. I paid a packing firm $500 dollars to pack the plane, which was surrounded with bubble wrap, in a wooden box. I was there to take the plane apart as they packed it. It was then shipped by truck down the Alcan Hwy and arrived more or less safely in Tennessee. As someone suggested, I had my EAA group there to help open the box and put the plane back together. The only problem I encountered was that right on the wood box where it read "do not use forks here" a fork lift driver put his (or her's) forks thru the box into a wing. The insurance company only paid 10% of the damage, because the plane was "used". Having done it once, I would do it again without a second thought. No worse than a moose eating the fabric off the tail while the pilot is off moose hunting (a story for another time). Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 2:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane Guys, Off topic but perhaps one of you knows. How best to ship a crated plane overseas say to South Africa ? I would crate and secure but wondering anyone with first-hand knowledge ? Mike C. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 7/14/2007 3:36 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen(at)ptialaska.net>
Subject: Re: shipping an airplane
Date: Jul 16, 2007
shipping an airplaneFew year ago, it cost about $4K to rent an entire 20' shipping container to go to Europe from Chicago. All you have to do is call a International Freight forwarding agent (listed in yellow pages of every major city) to make arrangements for container drop off of container and they'll help you fill out the shipping and export documents. They give you about 3 working days at your site to pack your container without excess fees. A forwarder costs bout $150 on top of the shipping company fees. They also arrange for insurance, customs papers and carrier on the other end of the shipment. Pretty simple, it's their job. Your task is to pack the container enough to allow for lots of ship movement and possible damage to your airplane. I would never consider shipping via lose freight, they containerize almost everything now, and you'd be trusting the container consolidators with packing your plane with other stuff, not a good idea. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Davis To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane We got a Yak and an SP-95 from England a few years ago and they came both packed inside a shipping container. I don't think the shipping was all that outrageous. They dropped the container at the grass strip and came back a couple of days later to pick it up. All we did was put out a call to the EAA Chapter and about a dozen guys showed up within a couple of hours armed with crowbars. We had them out in 3 hours. I'm sure you could do this in reverse. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 3:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane Guys, Off topic but perhaps one of you knows. How best to ship a crated plane overseas say to South Africa ? I would crate and secure but wondering anyone with first-hand knowledge ? Mike C. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Glass" <redsglass(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: shipping an airplane
Date: Jul 16, 2007
Hi Mike I would think you would be best to put it in a container. If it is a 2 piece wing you could proabably get it in a 20 footer. There are agents that can arrange the pickup and delivery to get it to a container port. If speed is more important than money you could air ship with the big russian transport plane. Steve in Maine >From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane >Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:40:08 -0500 > > >Guys, > >Off topic but perhaps one of you knows. How best to ship a crated >plane overseas say to South Africa ? I would crate and secure but >wondering >anyone with first-hand knowledge ? > >Mike C. > > _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AzevedoFlyer(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 16, 2007
Subject: Re: 500 agl and spam cans / First flight
Guys, I am new to the list and hopefully entitled to ask some dumb questions. For example, where would be the nearest place that I could go (Home base is Ann Arbor - MI) and fly a Pietenpol? I own a PA-20 (Pacer, Short Wing, Taildragger) and have about 250h in her. I am considering building something and an Aircamper seems just right. Would like to feel if the Piet and I would get along fine. Assuming we do, is there any preference for plan sources and, possibly, advantages in building a steel tube fuselage? Thanks, Miguel Azevedo N8714D PA22/20-150 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2007
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: 500 agl and spam cans / First flight
You have four days to get yourself to Broadhead WI. Friday and Saturday the 20th and 21st, Pietenpol heaven and more. Rick On 7/16/07, AzevedoFlyer(at)aol.com wrote: > > Guys, > I am new to the list and hopefully entitled to ask some dumb questions. > For example, where would be the nearest place that I could go (Home base > is Ann Arbor - MI) and fly a Pietenpol? > I own a PA-20 (Pacer, Short Wing, Taildragger) and have about 250h in her. > I am considering building something and an Aircamper seems just right. Would > like to feel if the Piet and I would get along fine. Assuming we do, is > there any preference for plan sources and, possibly, advantages in building > a steel tube fuselage? > Thanks, > Miguel Azevedo > N8714D > PA22/20-150 > > > ------------------------------ > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com<http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982> > . > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2007
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: 500 agl and spam cans
I agree about the GPS Mike, I know it is kind of high tech for a Piet but I am thinking about adding one of those AirGizmo things to my instrument panel so I don't have to it hang one off the bottom of the panel with loose wires running all over the place. http://www.airgizmos.com/prod/gpsmount/index.asp Rick On 7/16/07, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] wrote: > > michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> > > > Oscar, > > Your story reminds me of when I was in a room full of Oshkosh pilots who > were > slated to be photographed by EAA's Photo One (a Cessna Centurion I > believe) the next day. > We were all briefed on our time slots, where to be, etc. Our duty was > to fly over to the east side > of Lake Winnebago to an airport in New Holstein. That translates into a > 18 mile trip, 9 of which are > over water. The pilot of Photo One asked three questions and I was the > only one to answer all three > questions with yes's. "is there anyone in this room who does not have a > radio, gps, or are willing to > fly over Lake Winnebago ? In 1998 and 1999 I flew to and from Oshkosh > with a sectional chart, no radio, > and shot the no-radio portion of the arrival NOTAM and it worked like a > charm. The other pilots in the > room looked at me like I had VD, Aids, and leprosy combined. One guy > complained because EAA wasn't > going to fill his gas tanks in his plane that evidently consumed a good > amount of fuel and this is when > fuel was still reasonable. Since 1999 I have treated myself (on two > successive birthdays) to an Icom A-5 > hand-held radio and a Garmin Pilot III gps unit. You can still chuck > the radio though it is nice for > listening to who is doing what around airports and for the WX channels > and AWOS stations but the gps is > to die for. (well, hopefully not) > > Mike C. > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2007
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: bungees vs springs
Pieters, We are thinking of replacing the bungee system on our Piet with springs. The bungees are shot and we have been given a set of springs that would normally go on a horizon. We played around tonight with the springs and the bungee crossmembers and it seems like a fairly straightforward exchange using a welding jig to hold the legs of a crossmember so that the bungee connections can be cut out and the spring (with already-assembled stub legs) welded in. Thoughts? Pluses? Minuses? Thanks, Jeff ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2007
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Some new Piet photos on the net
http://www.tc.gc.ca/aviation/activepages/ccarcs/aspscripts/en/current.asp Clif It's a very nicely built Canadian Air Camper, nick-named Canadian Goose. From the pictures I see a few interesting features, including all wood lift struts, cabane struts, and jury struts, and what appears to be aluminum cladding down as far as the side stringer (not sure why). Take a look for yourself. Here's the link: http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=pietenpol&s=rec Bill C. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 7/16/2007 5:42 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: thank you, Guys
Date: Jul 17, 2007
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Good responses on my shipping question THANK you all. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2007
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: bungees vs springs
Pieters, We are thinking of replacing the bungee system on our Piet with springs. The bungees are shot and we have been given a set of springs that would normally go on a horizon. We played around tonight with the springs and the bungee crossmembers and it seems like a fairly straightforward exchange using a welding jig to hold the legs of a crossmember so that the bungee connections can be cut out and the spring (with already-assembled stub legs) welded in. Thoughts? Pluses? Minuses? Thanks, Jeff ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <GeneRambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Static Port
Date: Jul 17, 2007
why have a separate static system? why not just use a pitot and static combined? The reason it is not in the plans is that it was not intended to have an airspeed in the first place. The other option is a Johnson-type airspeed on the strut, eliminating the problem altogether. As for the altimeter, you are not flying IFR, it does not to be that accurate, the airspeed either for that matter. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Hall<mailto:adaairport(at)cableone.net> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 5:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Static Port Hello all, My Sky Scout plans do not include a location for a static port, but I read somewhere that one is recommended for an open cockpit airplane. What has been your experiences with your Piets? I'm thinking about installing it port side aft near the horizontal stabilizer (if required). Terry Hall http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: static port, not required
Date: Jul 17, 2007
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Terry, On both my altimeter and my airspeed indicator I plugged the static port with threaded nylon fittings (Wicks, ASSco) and drilled a tiny hole in the fittings to allow them to measure static. Your instruments must be covered in front with a hinged door or plywood because if left open to breeze will read erratically with all the air swirling around in your front cockpit and propwash. I simply ran 1/4" nylon tubing then from my ram air to a 1/4" stainless tube sticking out of the LE of my a rib or so outside of the upper attach fitting of my wing struts. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2007
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: N/T: Sorry for the double post on bungees!
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From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: bungees vs springs
Date: Jul 17, 2007
Jeff, Springs are better, less to maintain and they are more at home in the grease that always seems to be around the bottom of an airplane. When sizing the spring you need to consider not only the gross weight of the plane, but also the tread of the gear and vertical distance of the axle to the L/G attach point on the lower longeron. When I widened my Piet gear from 56" to 72" and raised the axle 6" (because of 26" spoke wheels, and I wanted to keep the fuse bottom the same distance from the ground) we had to increase the spring from 1300# to 1800#. Skip Looking at the bad weather in Illinois and Indiana, thinking we will be driving to Brodhead this year. > [ > We are thinking of replacing the bungee system on our Piet with > springs. The bungees are shot and we have been given a set of springs > that would normally go on a horizon. >> Thanks, >> Jeff > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gardiner Mason" <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: 500 agl and spam cans
Date: Jul 17, 2007
Rick, I put a gizmo thingy dock for my airmap 1000 right in the center of my panel. It looks good and convenient. I am driving up to Brodhead tomorrow and camping out. Are you going? Gardiner. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:38 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 500 agl and spam cans I agree about the GPS Mike, I know it is kind of high tech for a Piet but I am thinking about adding one of those AirGizmo things to my instrument panel so I don't have to it hang one off the bottom of the panel with loose wires running all over the place. http://www.airgizmos.com/prod/gpsmount/index.asp Rick On 7/16/07, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] wrote: (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Oscar, Your story reminds me of when I was in a room full of Oshkosh pilots who were slated to be photographed by EAA's Photo One (a Cessna Centurion I believe) the next day. We were all briefed on our time slots, where to be, etc. Our duty was to fly over to the east side of Lake Winnebago to an airport in New Holstein. That translates into a 18 mile trip, 9 of which are over water. The pilot of Photo One asked three questions and I was the only one to answer all three questions with yes's. "is there anyone in this room who does not have a radio, gps, or are willing to fly over Lake Winnebago ? In 1998 and 1999 I flew to and from Oshkosh with a sectional chart, no radio, and shot the no-radio portion of the arrival NOTAM and it worked like a charm. The other pilots in the room looked at me like I had VD, Aids, and leprosy combined. One guy complained because EAA wasn't going to fill his gas tanks in his plane that evidently consumed a good amount of fuel and this is when fuel was still reasonable. Since 1999 I have treated myself (on two successive birthdays) to an Icom A-5 hand-held radio and a Garmin Pilot III gps unit. You can still chuck -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2007
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: 500 agl and spam cans
I didn't know they made one for the Airmap 1000. Do you have any pix of your installation? >Rick, I put a gizmo thingy dock for my airmap 1000 right in the >center of my panel. It looks good and convenient. I am driving up >to Brodhead tomorrow and camping out. Are you going? Gardiner. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:at7000ft(at)gmail.com>Rick Holland >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:38 PM >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 500 agl and spam cans > >I agree about the GPS Mike, I know it is kind of high tech for a >Piet but I am thinking about adding one of those AirGizmo things to >my instrument panel so I don't have to it hang one off the bottom of >the panel with loose wires running all over the place. > ><http://www.airgizmos.com/prod/gpsmount/index.asp>http://www.airgizmos.com/prod/gpsmount/index.asp > >Rick > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 17, 2007
Subject: Re: Static Port
I initially didn't use any static port...just did it like Mike C. with the fitting & small hole on the back of the instrument. Flew it that way for a while, and it worked fine. Then I added a sheet metal, butterfly hinged front cover on the front pit - with the cover on, whenever I powered up the engine for a run up, the ASI would read about 25 mph !! I added the tubing, and a static port on the bottom of the pitot tube, where the lift strut attaches, out on the left wing. Chuck G. NX770CG ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 17, 2007
Subject: Re: bungees vs springs
This was another mod I did, after she was flying. Lots of fit & fiddle (that's what the Brit's call it). I like the springs much, much better. My springs are flat wound die springs that measure: 6" long, 2" dia, .280" X .460" wire. Chuck G. NX770CG ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Cabanes at Brodhead
Date: Jul 17, 2007
Does anyone need any aluminum cabane strut material? We have a few sets I can sell for $20 for 4 Pieces. These are 28" long and 3" wide. They take a 1" square insert. I hope the pictures come through, but can email you direct if they don't. Barry Davis I WILL BRING TO BRODHEAD IF YOU LET ME KNOW BRFORE NOON ON THURSDAY - EST. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Abramson" <davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com>
Subject: Cabanes at Brodhead
Date: Jul 17, 2007
I will buy a set, but I will not be at Broadhead Can you ship? Cheers, Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry Davis Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 3:04 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead Does anyone need any aluminum cabane strut material? We have a few sets I can sell for $20 for 4 Pieces. These are 28" long and 3" wide. They take a 1" square insert. I hope the pictures come through, but can email you direct if they don't. Barry Davis ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Brodhead Swap Meet
Date: Jul 17, 2007
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
No I don't mean your partner! I have three 8' pieces of leading or trailing edge spruce I could bring to Brodhead if anyone is interested. Also, I would be interested in purchasing center section 4130 fittings for a 1" spar. Thanks, can't wait, hope everybody has safe trips! Jack Textor Pop-up and Black Suburban Will have a name tag with "yellow highlighted border" signifying a list member ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Cabanes at Brodhead
Date: Jul 17, 2007
From: "Arden Adamson" <aadamson(at)wnmdag.org>
Barry, I'm interested. I'll be there Saturday. Arden Adamson ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Barry Davis Sent: Tue 7/17/2007 5:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead Does anyone need any aluminum cabane strut material? We have a few sets I can sell for $20 for 4 Pieces. These are 28" long and 3" wide. They take a 1" square insert. I hope the pictures come through, but can email you direct if they don't. Barry Davis I WILL BRING TO BRODHEAD IF YOU LET ME KNOW BRFORE NOON ON THURSDAY - EST. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2007
From: Ryan Michals <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: bungees vs springs
I found Chuck's review of his spring replacement, about half way down the page at; http://nx770cg.com/Fuselage.html He sells a dvd that may include some of these mods. Ryan Jeff Boatright wrote: Pieters, We are thinking of replacing the bungee system on our Piet with springs. The bungees are shot and we have been given a set of springs that would normally go on a horizon. We played around tonight with the springs and the bungee crossmembers and it seems like a fairly straightforward exchange using a welding jig to hold the legs of a crossmember so that the bungee connections can be cut out and the spring (with already-assembled stub legs) welded in. Thoughts? Pluses? Minuses? Thanks, Jeff --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Max Hegler" <MaxHegler(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Cabanes at Brodhead
Date: Jul 17, 2007
Barry, I would like a set. I will arrive at Brodhead around noon on Saturday. Not sure I will camp there or get a hotel nearby. Looking forward to seeing everyone there... Max ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Davis To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead Does anyone need any aluminum cabane strut material? We have a few sets I can sell for $20 for 4 Pieces. These are 28" long and 3" wide. They take a 1" square insert. I hope the pictures come through, but can email you direct if they don't. Barry Davis I WILL BRING TO BRODHEAD IF YOU LET ME KNOW BRFORE NOON ON THURSDAY - EST. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2007
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: 500 agl and spam cans
Hello Gardiner Yes I will be there on Friday afternoon and will be camping that night with Mike C. and a few others, will see you there. Would like to see a picture of your instrument panel with the AirGizmo. Just bolted the heads onto my Corvair engine, still waiting for a few parts from William, going on nine months, maybe he will surprise me a bring something to Broadhead for me. Looking forward to talking to you about your Corvair engine progress (William told me you had a little problem with the intake manifold). Rick On 7/17/07, Gardiner Mason wrote: > > Rick, I put a gizmo thingy dock for my airmap 1000 right in the center of > my panel. It looks good and convenient. I am driving up to Brodhead > tomorrow and camping out. Are you going? Gardiner. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rick Holland > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2007 9:38 PM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: 500 agl and spam cans > > I agree about the GPS Mike, I know it is kind of high tech for a Piet but > I am thinking about adding one of those AirGizmo things to my instrument > panel so I don't have to it hang one off the bottom of the panel with loose > wires running all over the place. > > http://www.airgizmos.com/prod/gpsmount/index.asp > > Rick > > On 7/16/07, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Oscar, > > > > Your story reminds me of when I was in a room full of Oshkosh pilots who > > > > were > > slated to be photographed by EAA's Photo One (a Cessna Centurion I > > believe) the next day. > > We were all briefed on our time slots, where to be, etc. Our duty was > > to fly over to the east side > > of Lake Winnebago to an airport in New Holstein. That translates into a > > > > 18 mile trip, 9 of which are > > over water. The pilot of Photo One asked three questions and I was the > > only one to answer all three > > questions with yes's. "is there anyone in this room who does not have a > > > > radio, gps, or are willing to > > fly over Lake Winnebago ? In 1998 and 1999 I flew to and from Oshkosh > > with a sectional chart, no radio, > > and shot the no-radio portion of the arrival NOTAM and it worked like a > > charm. The other pilots in the > > room looked at me like I had VD, Aids, and leprosy combined. One guy > > complained because EAA wasn't > > going to fill his gas tanks in his plane that evidently consumed a good > > amount of fuel and this is when > > fuel was still reasonable. Since 1999 I have treated myself (on two > > successive birthdays) to an Icom A-5 > > hand-held radio and a Garmin Pilot III gps unit. You can still chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Rick Holland > ObjectAge Ltd. > Castle Rock, Colorado > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > * > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2007
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Some new Piet photos on the net
I just tried this myself. Doesn't seem to work! So, the owner- Peter Poulin. Place-Beauoeville, Quebec. Registered July 19, 2005. So those wood struts have two years on them. http://www.tc.gc.ca/aviation/activepages/ccarcs/aspscripts/en/current.asp Clif ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: bungees vs springs
Date: Jul 18, 2007
Chuck "Baby Oil" wrote- >I like the springs much, much better. My springs are flat wound >die springs that measure: 6" long, 2" dia, .280" X .460" wire. ...and you can get those from McMaster-Carr, http://www.mcmaster.com/ . On their website, search on 'die springs' and the universe will open up to you ;o) Now is that 2" OD or ID? on the springs? My assumption is that it's OD. By the way, Chuck, do you have any photos or details of how you secure your butterfly-hinged front cockpit cover when it's in place? Corky made very nice naugahyde cockpit covers that secure in place with snaps, but they are only for use when on the ground... they will not stay in place in flight. I've thought about a hard cover with those twist thingies (technical term). And how does the airplane feel and handle when you cover the front 'pit? Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Cabanes at Brodhead
Date: Jul 18, 2007
Yes, I can. Shipping is about $8 to anywhere in the US. Send $28 and your address to: I'm leaving for Brodhead in the morning, is it OK to ship when I return when I have more time? Barry Davis 728-B Bankhead Ave Carrollton, Ga. 30117 1-888-834-8900 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Abramson To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:30 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead I will buy a set, but I will not be at Broadhead. Can you ship? Cheers, Dave ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Abramson" <davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com>
Subject: Shipping Cabanes to Dave A.
Date: Jul 18, 2007
Sure Barry! No worries!!!! I will post you a check! Thanks! Dave A. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry Davis Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:00 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead Yes, I can. Shipping is about $8 to anywhere in the US. Send $28 and your address to: I'm leaving for Brodhead in the morning, is it OK to ship when I return when I have more time? Barry Davis 728-B Bankhead Ave Carrollton, Ga. 30117 1-888-834-8900 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Abramson <mailto:davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:30 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead I will buy a set, but I will not be at Broadhead... Can you ship? Cheers, Dave ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: this time of year...
Date: Jul 18, 2007
From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu>
When the list gets quiet, while many of you travel to Pietenpol heaven.... I'd like to wish all of you going to Brodhead a good trip! Fly safe, burn lots of baby oil, eat lots of corn and brats, and bring home lots of memories. There is a tinge of sadness this time of year for me because I'd really like to join you all for the gathering and migration!! Sadly I had to cancel this year because of other family expenses that just didn't leave enough to pay for the trip. I wish you all God Speed, and look forward to hearing from you participating in the greatest fly-in ever! Best Regards, Steve E Low and Slow Since 1929 Pietenpol Aircamper steve(at)byu.edu ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Cabanes at Brodhead
Date: Jul 18, 2007
OK Max Mike and I usually camp across the field in the trees. This year I am pulling my antique 1964 Scotty camper. It is White with Turquois top. Mike is pulling his homebuilt teardrop. We are arriving Friday night and leaving on Sunday. I'll bring you a set. Barry Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: Max Hegler To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:29 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead Barry, I would like a set. I will arrive at Brodhead around noon on Saturday. Not sure I will camp there or get a hotel nearby. Looking forward to seeing everyone there... Max ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Davis To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead Does anyone need any aluminum cabane strut material? We have a few sets I can sell for $20 for 4 Pieces. These are 28" long and 3" wide. They take a 1" square insert. I hope the pictures come through, but can email you direct if they don't. Barry Davis I WILL BRING TO BRODHEAD IF YOU LET ME KNOW BRFORE NOON ON THURSDAY ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Max Hegler" <maxhegler(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Cabanes at Brodhead
Date: Jul 18, 2007
You should be easy to find...Thanks! >From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:49:08 -0400 > >OK Max > >Mike and I usually camp across the field in the trees. This year I am >pulling my antique 1964 Scotty camper. It is White with Turquois top. Mike >is pulling his homebuilt teardrop. We are arriving Friday night and leaving >on Sunday. I'll bring you a set. >Barry Davis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Max Hegler > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:29 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead > > > Barry, > I would like a set. I will arrive at Brodhead around noon on Saturday. >Not sure I will camp there or get a hotel nearby. Looking forward to >seeing everyone there... > > Max > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barry Davis > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 5:03 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead > > > Does anyone need any aluminum cabane strut material? We have a few >sets I can sell for $20 for 4 Pieces. > These are 28" long and 3" wide. They take a 1" square insert. I hope >the pictures come through, but can email you direct if they don't. > Barry Davis > > I WILL BRING TO BRODHEAD IF YOU LET ME KNOW BRFORE NOON ON THURSDAY - >EST. ><< PietCabane01.jpg >> ><< PietCabane02.jpg >> ><< PietCabane03.jpg >> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Stinemetze" <tstinemetze(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Cabanes at Brodhead
Date: Jul 18, 2007
Barry: I would love to buy a set from you. I will not be at Broadhead but would gladly pay the shipping. Tom Stinemetze McPherson, Kansas The Airplane Nut ____ | ____ \8/ / \ From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 18, 2007
Subject: Re: bungees vs springs / front pit cover
In a message dated 7/18/2007 7:57:36 AM Central Daylight Time, taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes: Chuck "Baby Oil" wrote- >I like the springs much, much better. My springs are flat wound >die springs that measure: 6" long, 2" dia, .280" X .460" wire. ...and you can get those from McMaster-Carr, http://www.mcmaster.com/ . On their website, search on 'die springs' and the universe will open up to you ;o) Now is that 2" OD or ID? on the springs? My assumption is that it's OD. By the way, Chuck, do you have any photos or details of how you secure your butterfly-hinged front cockpit cover when it's in place? Corky made very nice naugahyde cockpit covers that secure in place with snaps, but they are only for use when on the ground... they will not stay in place in flight. I've thought about a hard cover with those twist thingies (technical term). And how does the airplane feel and handle when you cover the front 'pit? Oscar Zuniga Oscar, Yep, that's 2" O.D. on the springs. I think this is a common size for die springs. The right half of the sheet metal cover is retained by short wood screws into the filler strip along the top edge of the right longeron, and tinnerman nuts under the forward edge and aft edge with sheet metal screws. The latches are homemade for the opening left half of the cover. Piano hinge down the center butt line zero. I think I have some detail pictures somewhere of the entire cover. It has worked very well and reliable, staying closed during flight, and it keeps all the wind out of the cockpit, and especially more comfortable during the colder months. I have to remove the front windshield when I have the cover on, and it adds a lot to aerodynamically cleaning up the airframe. Only takes a few minutes to make the change, because of the use of tinnerman nuts. Hey Oscar, I got the data plate from you last week - looks great !! I haven't stamped the info on it yet, but it will be mounted in the front pit for the Brodhead trip ! Chuck G. NX770CG ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 18, 2007
Subject: List of Brodhead '07 Attendees
_eng(at)canadianrogers.com_ (mailto:eng(at)canadianrogers.com) writes: Who =99s Going This Year ? I will be attending , with my 16-year old son, and we will be driving (12 hrs each way). Bill C. Lynn & Kevin Knoll Wichita Driving Perry Rhoads Carlinville,IL. Driving, on my way to Oshkosh Looking for a Pietenpol Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC Flying my RV-4 Ed grentzer...Airlines to Chicago & renting a car to drive to Brodhead. I am hoping to drive out and spend the better part of the day before flying back on Saturday night. John Recine Arden Adamson Driving in Friday evening and staying Saturday Waupaca, WI Looking forward to meeting you guys. I will be driving down. I'll be the guy with the tape measure and camera :) John Egan Greenville, WI -Piet building in progress- Frank Pavliga e-mailed me and said he and Don E. were flying to Brodhead and there may be (if they can get a sign off) a one-of-a-kind flying Pitcairn Autogyro there for the Piet fly-in enroute to Oshkosh......but that is iffy. I will be at Brodhead via auto then on to Oshkosh. Mike C. Driving and camping with wife Susan, can=99t wait to see you all. Come say hi, will have a black Suburban, Flagstaff pop-up and a scotch in my hand. Also will bring some excess tail stock to sell (not Mrs.) Jack Textor De s Moines Current plan is to leave CT on Wed. and get there before it's over. Actually I should roll in Thursday afternoon. Driving. --------Glenn Thomas N????? _http://www.flyingwood.com_ (http://www.flyingwood.com) Gene & Tammy Pennington Driving Camden, Tn Looking forward to meeting everyone I will be there Friday and hopefully Saturday. I am flying into Madison on Wednesday, and staying in Portage for the rest of the week. Ryan Flying NX770CG. Camping under the wing. Stocking up on Baby Oil. Giving rides. Bringing video's. Smoke 'em, if ya got 'em !! Chuck Gantzer Wichi ta, KS NX770CG I will be there some time friday,driving my Freightliner again. hopefully next year in my pietNX294RB Robert Bush Lexington TN Rick Holland Driving in Friday afternoon, leave Sunday morning. Building corvair Piet I will be driving down this year. I am going to trailer my new Piet project. I'm also taking it to OSH, it will be in the Rotec display. I have been working 6-10 hrs every day trying to get it finished up. I'll bring the wing s too and set it up. Dick N. I am going to see if Ted Davis will bring his Pietenpol to the event. He is a great man with tons of knowledge! He lives near and is a wealth of information on all _aspects...kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com_ (mailto:aspects...kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com) Ken Don Lane, driving from NC arrive fri eve. off to Oshkosh on Sun. Looking forward to meeting everyone Hope to leave WV Tuesday in Felix the GN-1, Cinda will be in the chase motor home. Looking for grass runways with fuel along the way. S kip I'm arriving in Milwaukee midday Thursday... -Mike Mike Whaley _MerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com_ (mailto:MerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com) Myself and a few others will be driving in from Fargo, ND. Ken H Fargo, ND _piet4ken(at)mindspring.com_ (mailto:piet4ken(at)mindspring.com) writes: Ken & Mary Anderson Samanth & Isabella Duckworth (grand kids) St. Louis Drivi ng MH stayin at Crazy Horse Campground Arriving Thrs thru Sat or Sun _douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net_ (mailto:douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net) writes: My wife, Marci and I will be driving up later on Thurs and camping out. Can' t wait to see you guys, Douwe Tim in Bovey We are! Me 'n' th' wife. Driving from Bovey, MN down to Minneapolis to see my folks thursday, then off to Brodhead Friday morning. W e're staying at the Gasthaus Motel in Monroe, where I understand their county fai r is going on that weekend too. I will be there again this year, heck my company is paying for my trip to Oshkosh this year, and I didn't even have to beg for a couple days in Brodhe ad before the big show... If people are interested, I would like to take another panorama shot like I did last year, maybe something a little more formal this time. Last years ca n be found at....I hope to take a better one this year.. Heck, maybe the sun w ill be out! -- David Case John E Greenville, WI -see you at Brodhead- _Amsafetyc(at)aol.com_ (mailto:Amsafetyc(at)aol.com) Great idea John Recine Arden Adamson Waupaca, WI ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL a t http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dog67(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 18, 2007
Subject: Re: List of Brodhead '07 Attendees
Jon Apfelbaum - flying a plastic Glastar - should be there fri/sat. Looking forward to it ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AzevedoFlyer(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 18, 2007
Subject: Re: 500 agl and spam cans / First flight
Rick, Many thanks for remembering Broadhead. Unfortunately, I have to head just the opposite way, towards NC. Maybe someplace else in Ohio? Cheers, Miguel ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Max Hegler" <MaxHegler(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: List of Brodhead '07 Attendees
Date: Jul 18, 2007
Driving in for Saturday and Sunday...Max Hegler... ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: List of Brodhead '07 Attendees eng(at)canadianrogers.com writes: Who=99s Going This Year ? I will be attending, with my 16-year old son, and we will be driving (12 hrs each way). Bill C. Lynn & Kevin Knoll Wichita Driving Perry Rhoads Carlinville,IL. Driving, on my way to Oshkosh Looking for a Pietenpol Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC Flying my RV-4 Ed grentzer...Airlines to Chicago & renting a car to drive to Brodhead. I am hoping to drive out and spend the better part of the day before flying back on Saturday night. John Recine Arden Adamson Driving in Friday evening and staying Saturday Waupaca, WI Looking forward to meeting you guys. I will be driving down. I'll be the guy with the tape measure and camera :) John Egan Greenville, WI -Piet building in progress- Frank Pavliga e-mailed me and said he and Don E. were flying to Brodhead and there may be (if they can get a sign off) a one-of-a-kind flying Pitcairn Autogyro there for the Piet fly-in enroute to Oshkosh......but that is iffy. I will be at Brodhead via auto then on to Oshkosh. Mike C. Driving and camping with wife Susan, can=99t wait to see you all. Come say hi, will have a black Suburban, Flagstaff pop-up and a scotch in my hand. Also will bring some excess tail stock to sell (not Mrs.) Jack Textor Des Moines Current plan is to leave CT on Wed. and get there before it's over. Actually I should roll in Thursday afternoon. Driving. --------Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Gene & Tammy Pennington Driving Camden, Tn Looking forward to meeting everyone I will be there Friday and hopefully Saturday. I am flying into Madison on Wednesday, and staying in Portage for the rest of the week. Ryan Flying NX770CG. Camping under the wing. Stocking up on Baby Oil. Giving rides. Bringing video's. Smoke 'em, if ya got 'em !! Chuck Gantzer Wichita, KS NX770CG I will be there some time friday,driving my Freightliner again. hopefully next year in my pietNX294RB Robert Bush Lexington TN Rick Holland Driving in Friday afternoon, leave Sunday morning. Building corvair Piet I will be driving down this year. I am going to trailer my new Piet project. I'm also taking it to OSH, it will be in the Rotec display. I have been working 6-10 hrs every day trying to get it finished up. I'll bring the wings too and set it up. Dick N. I am going to see if Ted Davis will bring his Pietenpol to the event. He is a great man with tons of knowledge! He lives near and is a wealth of information on all aspects...kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com Ken Don Lane, driving from NC arrive fri eve. off to Oshkosh on Sun. Looking forward to meeting everyone Hope to leave WV Tuesday in Felix the GN-1, Cinda will be in the chase motor home. Looking for grass runways with fuel along the way. Skip I'm arriving in Milwaukee midday Thursday... -Mike Mike Whaley MerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com Myself and a few others will be driving in from Fargo, ND. Ken H Fargo, ND piet4ken(at)mindspring.com writes: Ken & Mary Anderson Samanth & Isabella Duckworth (grand kids) St. Louis Driving MH stayin at Crazy Horse Campground Arriving Thrs thru Sat or Sun douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net writes: My wife, Marci and I will be driving up later on Thurs and camping out. Can't wait to see you guys, Douwe Tim in Bovey We are! Me 'n' th' wife. Driving from Bovey, MN down to Minneapolis to see my folks thursday, then off to Brodhead Friday morning. We're staying at the Gasthaus Motel in Monroe, where I understand their county fair is going on that weekend too. I will be there again this year, heck my company is paying for my trip to Oshkosh this year, and I didn't even have to beg for a couple days in Brodhead before the big show... If people are interested, I would like to take another panorama shot like I did last year, maybe something a little more formal this time. Last years can be found at....I hope to take a better one this year.. Heck, maybe the sun will be out! -- David Case John E Greenville, WI -see you at Brodhead- Amsafetyc(at)aol.com Great idea John Recine Arden Adamson Waupaca, WI ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ken Anderson" <piet4ken(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: for sale
Date: Jul 19, 2007
I am bringing with me a set of wings for sale. These are part of an unfinished project I purchaced a few years back. Plan on arriving thrs eve. Ken ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2007
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Corvair Cowlings
Fellow Pieter: I will bring a few sets of fiberglass cowlings duplicated off of Bernie's corvair pietenpol. If interested please seek me out and lets make a show special of the last few! Remember, they are for the corvair conversion. Ken Heide Fargo, ND Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 19, 2007
Subject: Re: List of Brodhead '07 Attendees
Dan Helsper- Flying my Aeronca Sedan in on Friday morning, camping over night, flying home on Saturday night to drive on to Oshkosh after that. Hope this stormy weather doesn't keep the Piets away. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: List of Brodhead '07 Attendees
Date: Jul 19, 2007
Will have to cancel our plans of attending. What a bummer. Hopefully someone will take lots of photos and post them soon. Gene & Tammy ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 7/16/2007 5:42 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 19, 2007
Subject: Weather across central America
This morning - There is a Huge cold front pushing down through across my line of flight. No Fly Zone. I hope the back side of this front will be through late today, or overnight, for clear skies for Friday. Chuck G. NX770CG ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Weather across central America
Date: Jul 19, 2007
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com>
Good call, Chuck. That front is going to delay my departure from Raleigh until Saturday morning. I should be on the ground in Brodhead by noon Saturday Jack Phillips _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rcaprd(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:27 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Weather across central America This morning - There is a Huge cold front pushing down through across my line of flight. No Fly Zone. I hope the back side of this front will be through late today, or overnight, for clear skies for Friday. Chuck G. NX770CG _____ Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com <http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982> . _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2007
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Corvair Cowlings
I believe Dad has a set of the original Piet style corvair cowlings he is going to sell as well, if anyone is interested let me know. We are heading up friday morning (driving) and should be there around 3-4pm. Shad "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" wrote: Fellow Pieter: I will bring a few sets of fiberglass cowlings duplicated off of Bernie's corvair pietenpol. If interested please seek me out and lets make a show special of the last few! Remember, they are for the corvair conversion. Ken Heide Fargo, ND Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ted Brousseau <nfn00979(at)naples.net>
Subject: Re: Attending Brodhead
Date: Jul 19, 2007
At Wednesday, 18 July 2007, you wrote: > >From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: List of Brodhead '07 Attendees > >_eng(at)canadianrogers.com_ (mailto:eng(at)canadianrogers.com) writes: Who >=99s Going >This Year ? I will be attending >, Ted Brousseau, Naples Florida. I will be flyiing my Cessna 140 and camping accross the field. The new Piet will come next year. ======================================== Naples Free-Net Web Mail http://home.naples.net ======================================== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 19, 2007
Subject: Brodheaders
Pieters, Sitting here wishing we were near to again attend the fellowship and educational benefits of your gathering. Please take lots of pics with identities and keep the at home infirmed of what they are missing. Isabelle says maybe next year as I've already had my trip " up nawth " for the year Have a great time and beware of the vapor fall out of Wal Mart baby oil Isabelle and Corky ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: List of Brodhead '07 Attendees
Date: Jul 19, 2007
Flying to Milwaukee on Friday evening and renting a car with my 12 year old boy - be there Friday night around 8:30PM. Save me a camping spot!! Scott Knowlton From: MaxHegler(at)msn.comTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Pietenp ol-List: List of Brodhead '07 AttendeesDate: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:56:30 -050 0 Driving in for Saturday and Sunday...Max Hegler... ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: List of Brodhead '07 Attendees eng(at)canadianrogers.com writes: Who=92s Going This Year ? I will be attending, with my 16-year old son, an d we will be driving (12 hrs each way). Bill C. Lynn & Kevin Knoll Wichita Driving Perry Rhoads Carlinville,IL. Driving, on my way to Oshkosh Looking for a Pietenpol Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC Flying my RV-4 Ed grentzer...Airlines to Chicago & renting a car to drive to Brodhead. I am hoping to drive out and spend the better part of the day before flying back on Saturday night. John Recine Arden Adamson Driving in Friday evening and staying Saturday Waupaca, WI Looking forward to meeting you guys. I will be driving down. I'll be the guy with the tape measure and camera :) John Egan Greenville, WI -Piet building in progress- Frank Pavliga e-mailed me and said he and Don E. were flying to Brodhead an d there may be (if they can get a sign off) a one-of-a-kind flying Pitcairn Autogyro there for the Piet fly-in enroute to Oshkosh......but that is iff y. I will be at Brodhead via auto then on to Oshkosh. Mike C. Driving and camping with wife Susan, can=92t wait to see you all. Come say hi, will have a black Suburban, Flagstaff pop-up and a scotch in my hand. A lso will bring some excess tail stock to sell (not Mrs.) Jack Textor Des Moines Current plan is to leave CT on Wed. and get there before it's over. Actuall y I should roll in Thursday afternoon. Driving. --------Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Gene & Tammy Pennington Driving Camden, Tn Looking forward to meeting ev eryone I will be there Friday and hopefully Saturday. I am flying into Madison on Wednesday, and staying in Portage for the rest of the week. Ryan Flying NX770CG. Camping under the wing. Stocking up on Baby Oil. Giving rid es. Bringing video's. Smoke 'em, if ya got 'em !! Chuck Gantzer Wichita , KS NX770CG I will be there some time friday,driving my Freightliner again. hopefully n ext year in my pietNX294RB Robert Bush Lexington TN Rick Holland Driving in Friday afternoon, leave Sunday morning. Building corvair Piet I will be driving down this year. I am going to trailer my new Piet project . I'm also taking it to OSH, it will be in the Rotec display. I have been w orking 6-10 hrs every day trying to get it finished up. I'll bring the wing s too and set it up. Dick N. I am going to see if Ted Davis will bring his Pietenpol to the event. He is a great man with tons of knowledge! He lives near and is a wealth of infor mation on all aspects...kmheidecpo@yahoocom Ken Don Lane, driving from NC arrive fri eve. off to Oshkosh on Sun. Looking forward to meeting everyone Hope to leave WV Tuesday in Felix the GN-1, Cinda will be in the chase moto r home. Looking for grass runways with fuel along the way. Skip I'm arriving in Milwaukee midday Thursday... -Mike Mike Whaley MerlinFAC @cfl.rr.com Myself and a few others will be driving in from Fargo, ND. Ken H Fargo, ND piet4ken(at)mindspring.com writes: Ken & Mary Anderson Samanth & Isabella D uckworth (grand kids) St. Louis Driving MH stayin at Crazy Horse Campgrou nd Arriving Thrs thru Sat or Sun douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net writes: My wife, Marci and I will be driving up later on Thurs and camping out. Can't wait to see you guys, Douw e Tim in Bovey We are! Me 'n' th' wife. Driving from Bovey, MN down to Minne apolis to see my folks thursday, then off to Brodhead Friday morning. We're staying at the Gasthaus Motel in Monroe, where I understand their county f air is going on that weekend too. I will be there again this year, heck my company is paying for my trip to O shkosh this year, and I didn't even have to beg for a couple days in Brodhe ad before the big show...If people are interested, I would like to take ano ther panorama shot like I did last year, maybe something a little more form al this time. Last years can be found at....I hope to take a better one thi s year.. Heck, maybe the sun will be out! -- David Case John E Greenville, WI -see you at Brodhead- Amsafetyc(at)aol.com Great idea John Recine Arden Adamson Waupaca, WI Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Space s. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends. aspx&mkt=en-us ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: List of Brodhead '07 Attendees
Date: Jul 19, 2007
probably a stupid question, but is Brodhead the 20th or the 27th?? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Knowlton<mailto:flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: List of Brodhead '07 Attendees Flying to Milwaukee on Friday evening and renting a car with my 12 year old boy - be there Friday night around 8:30PM. Save me a camping spot!! Scott Knowlton ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: MaxHegler(at)msn.com<mailto:MaxHegler(at)msn.com> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: List of Brodhead '07 Attendees Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:56:30 -0500 Driving in for Saturday and Sunday...Max Hegler... ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com<mailto:Rcaprd(at)aol.com> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: List of Brodhead '07 Attendees eng(at)canadianrogers.com writes: Who=92s Going This Year ? I will be attending, with my 16-year old son, and we will be driving (12 hrs each way). Bill C. Lynn & Kevin Knoll Wichita Driving Perry Rhoads Carlinville,IL. Driving, on my way to Oshkosh Looking for a Pietenpol Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC Flying my RV-4 Ed grentzer...Airlines to Chicago & renting a car to drive to Brodhead. I am hoping to drive out and spend the better part of the day before flying back on Saturday night. John Recine Arden Adamson Driving in Friday evening and staying Saturday Waupaca, WI Looking forward to meeting you guys. I will be driving down. I'll be the guy with the tape measure and camera :) John Egan Greenville, WI -Piet building in progress- Frank Pavliga e-mailed me and said he and Don E. were flying to Brodhead and there may be (if they can get a sign off) a one-of-a-kind flying Pitcairn Autogyro there for the Piet fly-in enroute to Oshkosh......but that is iffy. I will be at Brodhead via auto then on to Oshkosh. Mike C. Driving and camping with wife Susan, can=92t wait to see you all. Come say hi, will have a black Suburban, Flagstaff pop-up and a scotch in my hand. Also will bring some excess tail stock to sell (not Mrs.) Jack Textor Des Moines Current plan is to leave CT on Wed. and get there before it's over. Actually I should roll in Thursday afternoon. Driving. --------Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com> Gene & Tammy Pennington Driving Camden, Tn Looking forward to meeting everyone I will be there Friday and hopefully Saturday. I am flying into Madison on Wednesday, and staying in Portage for the rest of the week. Ryan Flying NX770CG. Camping under the wing. Stocking up on Baby Oil. Giving rides. Bringing video's. Smoke 'em, if ya got 'em !! Chuck Gantzer Wichita, KS NX770CG I will be there some time friday,driving my Freightliner again. hopefully next year in my pietNX294RB Robert Bush Lexington TN Rick Holland Driving in Friday afternoon, leave Sunday morning. Building corvair Piet I will be driving down this year. I am going to trailer my new Piet project. I'm also taking it to OSH, it will be in the Rotec display. I have been working 6-10 hrs every day trying to get it finished up. I'll bring the wings too and set it up. Dick N. I am going to see if Ted Davis will bring his Pietenpol to the event. He is a great man with tons of knowledge! He lives near and is a wealth of information on all aspects...kmheidecpo(at)yahoocom Ken Don Lane, driving from NC arrive fri eve. off to Oshkosh on Sun. Looking forward to meeting everyone Hope to leave WV Tuesday in Felix the GN-1, Cinda will be in the chase motor home. Looking for grass runways with fuel along the way. Skip I'm arriving in Milwaukee midday Thursday... -Mike Mike Whaley MerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com Myself and a few others will be driving in from Fargo, ND. Ken H Fargo, ND piet4ken(at)mindspring.com writes: Ken & Mary Anderson Samanth & Isabella Duckworth (grand kids) St. Louis Driving MH stayin at Crazy Horse Campground Arriving Thrs thru Sat or Sun douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net writes: My wife, Marci and I will be driving up later on Thurs and camping out. Can't wait to see you guys, Douwe Tim in Bovey We are! Me 'n' th' wife. Driving from Bovey, MN down to Minneapolis to see my folks thursday, then off to Brodhead Friday morning. We're staying at the Gasthaus Motel in Monroe, where I understand their county fair is going on that weekend too. I will be there again this year, heck my company is paying for my trip to Oshkosh this year, and I didn't even have to beg for a couple days in Brodhead before the big show... If people are interested, I would like to take another panorama shot like I did last year, maybe something a little more formal this time. Last years can be found at....I hope to take a better one this year.. Heck, maybe the sun will be out! -- David Case John E Greenville, WI -see you at Brodhead- Amsafetyc(at)aol.com Great idea John Recine Arden Adamson Waupaca, WI ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com<http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000 000982>. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! 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From: "Max Hegler" <MaxHegler(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: List of Brodhead '07 Attendees
Date: Jul 19, 2007
The 20th... ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Rambo To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:12 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: List of Brodhead '07 Attendees probably a stupid question, but is Brodhead the 20th or the 27th?? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Knowlton To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: List of Brodhead '07 Attendees Flying to Milwaukee on Friday evening and renting a car with my 12 year old boy - be there Friday night around 8:30PM. Save me a camping spot!! Scott Knowlton ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: MaxHegler(at)msn.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: List of Brodhead '07 Attendees Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:56:30 -0500 Driving in for Saturday and Sunday...Max Hegler... ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: List of Brodhead '07 Attendees eng(at)canadianrogers.com writes: Who=92s Going This Year ? I will be attending, with my 16-year old son, and we will be driving (12 hrs each way). Bill C. Lynn & Kevin Knoll Wichita Driving Perry Rhoads Carlinville,IL. Driving, on my way to Oshkosh Looking for a Pietenpol Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC Flying my RV-4 Ed grentzer...Airlines to Chicago & renting a car to drive to Brodhead. I am hoping to drive out and spend the better part of the day before flying back on Saturday night. John Recine Arden Adamson Driving in Friday evening and staying Saturday Waupaca, WI Looking forward to meeting you guys. I will be driving down. I'll be the guy with the tape measure and camera :) John Egan Greenville, WI -Piet building in progress- Frank Pavliga e-mailed me and said he and Don E. were flying to Brodhead and there may be (if they can get a sign off) a one-of-a-kind flying Pitcairn Autogyro there for the Piet fly-in enroute to Oshkosh......but that is iffy. I will be at Brodhead via auto then on to Oshkosh. Mike C. Driving and camping with wife Susan, can=92t wait to see you all. Come say hi, will have a black Suburban, Flagstaff pop-up and a scotch in my hand. Also will bring some excess tail stock to sell (not Mrs.) Jack Textor Des Moines Current plan is to leave CT on Wed. and get there before it's over. Actually I should roll in Thursday afternoon. Driving. --------Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Gene & Tammy Pennington Driving Camden, Tn Looking forward to meeting everyone I will be there Friday and hopefully Saturday. I am flying into Madison on Wednesday, and staying in Portage for the rest of the week. Ryan Flying NX770CG. Camping under the wing. Stocking up on Baby Oil. Giving rides. Bringing video's. Smoke 'em, if ya got 'em !! Chuck Gantzer Wichita, KS NX770CG I will be there some time friday,driving my Freightliner again. hopefully next year in my pietNX294RB Robert Bush Lexington TN Rick Holland Driving in Friday afternoon, leave Sunday morning. Building corvair Piet I will be driving down this year. I am going to trailer my new Piet project. I'm also taking it to OSH, it will be in the Rotec display. I have been working 6-10 hrs every day trying to get it finished up. I'll bring the wings too and set it up. Dick N. I am going to see if Ted Davis will bring his Pietenpol to the event. He is a great man with tons of knowledge! He lives near and is a wealth of information on all aspects...kmheidecpo@yahoocom Ken Don Lane, driving from NC arrive fri eve. off to Oshkosh on Sun. Looking forward to meeting everyone Hope to leave WV Tuesday in Felix the GN-1, Cinda will be in the chase motor home. Looking for grass runways with fuel along the way. Skip I'm arriving in Milwaukee midday Thursday... -Mike Mike Whaley MerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com Myself and a few others will be driving in from Fargo, ND. Ken H Fargo, ND piet4ken(at)mindspring.com writes: Ken & Mary Anderson Samanth & Isabella Duckworth (grand kids) St. Louis Driving MH stayin at Crazy Horse Campground Arriving Thrs thru Sat or Sun douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net writes: My wife, Marci and I will be driving up later on Thurs and camping out. Can't wait to see you guys, Douwe Tim in Bovey We are! Me 'n' th' wife. Driving from Bovey, MN down to Minneapolis to see my folks thursday, then off to Brodhead Friday morning. We're staying at the Gasthaus Motel in Monroe, where I understand their county fair is going on that weekend too. I will be there again this year, heck my company is paying for my trip to Oshkosh this year, and I didn't even have to beg for a couple days in Brodhead before the big show... If people are interested, I would like to take another panorama shot like I did last year, maybe something a little more formal this time. Last years can be found at....I hope to take a better one this year.. Heck, maybe the sun will be out! -- David Case John E Greenville, WI -see you at Brodhead- Amsafetyc(at)aol.com Great idea John Recine Arden Adamson Waupaca, WI ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! 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From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 19, 2007
Subject: Re: List of Brodhead '07 Attendees
I should be there on Saturday some time in the morning, depending on the drive from Rockford. Not certain how long it takes to get to O'Hare from Broadhead though. John Recine ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Off to Pietenpol Heaven
Date: Jul 19, 2007
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Heading out Friday, hope to be there early Friday afternoon. If anyone would like to stop buy for a beer or pop Friday at 5:00, please do. We usually stay in the NE corner close to the private hangar just off the main road. Look for a Black Suburban and Flagstaff pop-up. Hope to see you! Jack Textor ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 19, 2007
Subject: (no subject)
Hi gang, I'll be driving from Broadhead to O'Hare on Saturday for a 9:10 pm departure. Anyone need ground transport to O'Hare Saturday night is welcome to ride along. Looking forward to meeting with you all See you then John Recine ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Alan Lyscars" <alyscars(at)maine.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Brodheaders
Date: Jul 19, 2007
Amen to that, Corky! Al in Portland, Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:15 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodheaders Pieters, Sitting here wishing we were near to again attend the fellowship and educational benefits of your gathering. Please take lots of pics with identities and keep the at home infirmed of what they are missing. Isabelle says maybe next year as I've already had my trip " up nawth " for the year Have a great time and beware of the vapor fall out of Wal Mart baby oil Isabelle and Corky ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2007
From: Tim Verthein <minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Scenes from Brodhead
alrightee...for those of you who couldn't make it.... http://www.edselmotors.com/brodhead07.html Will take you to a very quickly posted gallery of about 237 photos I took at Brodhead today. These are mostly unedited, raw pics, but you should find womething fun anyway. if you see something you really need a high resolution copy of just email me. I also attended Willikam Wynn's Corvair motor seminar, which I recorded and have as an mp3 uploaded. If you'd like to listen to it, let me know and I can e-mail you a link to download the audio. it's about a 50 meg mp3 file. The wife is pestering me to head for the county fair that's here too, so gotta make this quick...and SHE managed to score TWO piet rides today! Talk about feminine wiles! Tim in Bovey..in Brodhead == You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor! == Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Alan Lyscars" <alyscars(at)maine.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Scenes from Brodhead
Date: Jul 21, 2007
Aw Jeez, Tim, the drool just ruined my homemade keyboard! Wished I could have been with you guys. Al Portland, Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Verthein" <minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 7:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Scenes from Brodhead > > > alrightee...for those of you who couldn't make it.... > http://www.edselmotors.com/brodhead07.html ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2007
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Scenes from Brodhead
I agree with Al..... These pictures are about the neatest Piet thing I've seen in a LONG time! Thanks VERY much.... Wonder if anyone heard why that beautiful black/red Sky Scout is for sale and why it's builder (I know his name but for the life of me I can't remember it) removed his Air Camper's Model A and replaced it with an A65 or something similar? Tim you're my hero... JM -----Original Message----- >From: Alan Lyscars <alyscars(at)maine.rr.com> >Sent: Jul 21, 2007 9:16 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Scenes from Brodhead > > >Aw Jeez, Tim, the drool just ruined my homemade keyboard! Wished I could >have been with you guys. > >Al >Portland, Maine > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tim Verthein" <minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com> >To: >Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 7:35 PM >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Scenes from Brodhead > > > >> >> >> alrightee...for those of you who couldn't make it.... >> http://www.edselmotors.com/brodhead07.html > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2007
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Brodheaders
Hey Corky..... I am here at Brodhead and the weather is your liking.....smooth and warm! Met everyone from the Pieter list and had a wonderful/great time. PS...Send money and beer fast.... OK..... skip the money send beer! Tee-hee-hee. Mike Cuy's autograph.....priceless! Ken Heide Fargo, ND PS...I have your FAA records on CD of the "Blue Boy" you ordered! Dam goverment sent them to me instead of you....They will be heading your way!.... Isablcorky(at)aol.com wrote: Pieters, Sitting here wishing we were near to again attend the fellowship and educational benefits of your gathering. Please take lots of pics with identities and keep the at home infirmed of what they are missing. Isabelle says maybe next year as I've already had my trip " up nawth " for the year Have a great time and beware of the vapor fall out of Wal Mart baby oil Isabelle and Corky --------------------------------- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2007
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Scenes from Brodhead
Jim, the Sky Scout was a beautiful carefully build plane that sold on the first day it was listed. $15K was the asking price....beautiful plane! ( Dennis Hall builder) Ken H. Fargo, ND Jim Markle wrote: I agree with Al..... These pictures are about the neatest Piet thing I've seen in a LONG time! Thanks VERY much.... Wonder if anyone heard why that beautiful black/red Sky Scout is for sale and why it's builder (I know his name but for the life of me I can't remember it) removed his Air Camper's Model A and replaced it with an A65 or something similar? Tim you're my hero... JM -----Original Message----- >From: Alan Lyscars >Sent: Jul 21, 2007 9:16 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Scenes from Brodhead > > >Aw Jeez, Tim, the drool just ruined my homemade keyboard! Wished I could >have been with you guys. > >Al >Portland, Maine > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tim Verthein" >To: >Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 7:35 PM >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Scenes from Brodhead > > >> >> >> alrightee...for those of you who couldn't make it.... >> http://www.edselmotors.com/brodhead07.html > > Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Scenes from Brodhead
Date: Jul 21, 2007
I agree with Al..... These pictures are about the neatest Piet thing I've seen in a LONG time! Thanks VERY much.... Wonder if anyone heard why the black Scout is for sale and why it's builder (I know his name but for the life of me I can't remember it) removed his Air Camper's Model A and replaced it with an A65 or something similar? Alan you're my hero... JM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Lyscars" <alyscars(at)maine.rr.com> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 9:16 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Scenes from Brodhead > > > Aw Jeez, Tim, the drool just ruined my homemade keyboard! Wished I could > have been with you guys. > > Al > Portland, Maine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Verthein" <minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com> > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 7:35 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Scenes from Brodhead > > > >> >> >> alrightee...for those of you who couldn't make it.... >> http://www.edselmotors.com/brodhead07.html > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 22, 2007
From: Greg Chapman <greg(at)mousetrax.com>
Subject: Re: Scenes from Brodhead
Thanks for these, Tim! I got to go yesterday, too! I'm not wanting to crowd your excellent work, either but I was putting up my own pics of the event when I noticed your post this morning. There were a lot of things I recognized at Brodhead and even more things I'd only seen pictures of and couldn't find anyone to tell me anything about them. I thought that perhaps some of you might be willing to fill in details about some of these pics so I've put a up an anonymous caption page and am trusting that folks on the list will put in information and resist the temptation to do a "Cool plane!" or worse. ;) If you want to share with a friend, feel free to give them this URL: http://www.chappedliver.com/2007Brodhead.asp If you fill in the blanks in my ignorant mind, leave a caption at: http://www.chappedliver.com/2007Brodhead_Entry.asp Thanks and nice work Tim! Greg Chapman "The original Chapped liver" Tim Verthein wrote: > > > alrightee...for those of you who couldn't make it.... > http://www.edselmotors.com/brodhead07.html > Will take you to a very quickly posted gallery of about 237 photos I > took at Brodhead today. These are mostly unedited, raw pics, but you > should find womething fun anyway. if you see something you really need > a high resolution copy of just email me. > > I also attended Willikam Wynn's Corvair motor seminar, which I recorded > and have as an mp3 uploaded. If you'd like to listen to it, let me know > and I can e-mail you a link to download the audio. it's about a 50 meg > mp3 file. > > The wife is pestering me to head for the county fair that's here too, > so gotta make this quick...and SHE managed to score TWO piet rides > today! Talk about feminine wiles! > > Tim in Bovey..in Brodhead > > == > You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor! > == > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Scenes from Brodhead
Date: Jul 22, 2007
Great photos! Couple of very nifty ideas in there. One is the way the aileron controls and flop section are done on the "Canadian Goose", aka "C-Gesundheit" (C-GZHT). Very clever. Gives complete access to the pulleys, cables, and interconnect turnbuckle. All the instrument panel shots are thought-provoking as well. And hey, nobody has said anything about how the Rotec radial on Dick's new airplane sounds??!! I had to solace myself by going for a short local flight Saturday, checking out the local flooding due to heavy rains. Also exchanged emails with Corky about Brodhead '08 and a flight of two... Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 22, 2007
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Scenes from Brodhead
Oscar, Dick's rotary radial was outstanding! Super powerful and extremely quite. I enjoyed his run-ups and taxi tests....You must see and hear his plane. Outstanding project!! Ken H Fargo, ND Oscar Zuniga wrote: Great photos! Couple of very nifty ideas in there. One is the way the aileron controls and flop section are done on the "Canadian Goose", aka "C-Gesundheit" (C-GZHT). Very clever. Gives complete access to the pulleys, cables, and interconnect turnbuckle. All the instrument panel shots are thought-provoking as well. And hey, nobody has said anything about how the Rotec radial on Dick's new airplane sounds??!! I had to solace myself by going for a short local flight Saturday, checking out the local flooding due to heavy rains. Also exchanged emails with Corky about Brodhead '08 and a flight of two... Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 22, 2007
From: Michael Conkling <hpvs(at)southwind.net>
Subject: Re: Scenes from Brodhead
Thank you, Tim & Greg, for all the pictures!!! It sure looked like more fun than my weekend selling tickets at the Pretty Prairie Rodeo or setting up for Harry Potter night at the Museum! (part community project / part "on-call" weekend at work) As they say, "the luck of the draw"! I did console myself by watching Mike & Chuck's Piet videos! Wait till next year! On a related topic, is anyone doing the "Sport Pilot Instructor" (??) -- I keep thinking that Brodhead might be a good time to do some "in-type" BFR's (even doing them a day or so before or after) -- Might have been a good question for the "Sport Pilot" program! Mike C. Pretty Prairie, KS ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert Gow" <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca>
Subject: Scenes from Brodhead
Date: Jul 23, 2007
Is that black one a Aircamper or a Scout for sale? If it's a piet does anyone know how to contact the owner? Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Verthein Sent: July 21, 2007 7:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Scenes from Brodhead alrightee...for those of you who couldn't make it.... http://www.edselmotors.com/brodhead07.html Will take you to a very quickly posted gallery of about 237 photos I took at Brodhead today. These are mostly unedited, raw pics, but you should find womething fun anyway. if you see something you really need a high resolution copy of just email me. I also attended Willikam Wynn's Corvair motor seminar, which I recorded and have as an mp3 uploaded. If you'd like to listen to it, let me know and I can e-mail you a link to download the audio. it's about a 50 meg mp3 file. The wife is pestering me to head for the county fair that's here too, so gotta make this quick...and SHE managed to score TWO piet rides today! Talk about feminine wiles! Tim in Bovey..in Brodhead == You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor! == ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2007
From: Tim Verthein <minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Rotec Radial video-Brodhead
I had several inquiries if I had audio of the Rotec Radial in action at Brodhead. I did get a couple quick video clips and have uploaded them. However..you better have high speed access if you want to view them as they are huge files....dvd quality, stereo sound. I'm off to Oshkosh this morning, so haven't bothered to compress them for web use, etc. But if you want to take a shot at them try these: http://www.edselmotors.com/MVI_2216.AVI and http://www.edselmotors.com/MVI_2219.AVI Tim in Bovey at Oshkosh == You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor! == Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Scenes from Brodhead
Date: Jul 23, 2007
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
-----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Scenes from Brodhead --> ... Wonder ... why it's builder (I know his name but for the life of me I can't remember it) removed his Air Camper's Model A and replaced it with an A65 or something similar? Jim, Too bad you couldn't make it this year. It was a really good turn-out. I think I counted 18 "Piets" (Air Campers, Aircampers and Scout). The nametags were a fantastic idea - I now have faces to match a lot of the names that keep popping up here on the list. This weekend is such a motivator to get back to building - it's the high point of my summer. Since nobody has offered an answer to your question, I'll give it a shot. First, my disclaimer. I didn't speak with Dennis Hall, and I didn't get inside his hangar to see his re-engined Air Camper (hangar door was closed when I walked past), but I did hear the reason why he's changing out his powerplant. Okay, now that that's out of the way, here's my answer. The story I heard is that he really wants to take passengers up for rides, and he just felt he could not do that with the "A" he had installed. I don't know the exact details (power or reliability or ???). I know Ken Perkins' A-powered Air camper takes passengers up almost non-stop during the weekend, so we know it's a combination that can work very well. As well, the 1934-built "A" powered "Allan Rudolph" Air Camper was also seen taking several passengers aloft (one at a time, of course). Of course, like I said, this is second-hand information, so if anyone out there knows better (or otherwise), chime in. Bill C. (body back at work, but mind still in Brodhead after a 650 mile drive home yesterday) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2007
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Scenes from Brodhead
Robert, It was a beautiful Scout Piet which sold by the end of the first day. I believe the asking price was 15K. Excellent craftsmanship!! Ken H. Fargo, ND Robert Gow wrote: Is that black one a Aircamper or a Scout for sale? If it's a piet does anyone know how to contact the owner? Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Verthein Sent: July 21, 2007 7:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Scenes from Brodhead alrightee...for those of you who couldn't make it.... http://www.edselmotors.com/brodhead07.html Will take you to a very quickly posted gallery of about 237 photos I took at Brodhead today. These are mostly unedited, raw pics, but you should find womething fun anyway. if you see something you really need a high resolution copy of just email me. I also attended Willikam Wynn's Corvair motor seminar, which I recorded and have as an mp3 uploaded. If you'd like to listen to it, let me know and I can e-mail you a link to download the audio. it's about a 50 meg mp3 file. The wife is pestering me to head for the county fair that's here too, so gotta make this quick...and SHE managed to score TWO piet rides today! Talk about feminine wiles! Tim in Bovey..in Brodhead == You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor! == Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tom Winter <twinter1(at)unl.edu>
Subject: Replica Robin?
Date: Jul 23, 2007
There was a 1989 Kitplanes article about flying the Piet that, as I recall, mentioned Mark Anderson's dad working on a replica, at Brodhead, of the Curtis Robin. (I hope I remember the name right.) Was it ever finished? Anybody have any information about a replica Robin? It's got to be done!! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Max Hegler" <maxhegler(at)msn.com>
Subject: Scenes from Broadhead
Date: Jul 23, 2007
Speaking of scenes from Brodhead...I dropped my camera while I was there. It is a Canon SD700 (I think...I have to check the box when I get home). It is in a small case that fits on your belt. If anyone found it, please let me know...I will be glad to offer a reward to get it back. Thanks, Max Hegler (334) 201-3794 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: western aircraft supplies
From: "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au>
Date: Jul 24, 2007
Hi all I am about to start work on my piet,first thank you all for your very informative posts I have decided to just get started and ask questions as they come up. I am about to order some Spruce and have come across a company called Western Aircraft Supplies in Slocon BC. Has any heard of them or had any dealings with them there is lots of positive talk about Wicks and AS&S but I haven't seen any thing about these guys. Any info would be great Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125461#125461 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "glich7(at)juno.com" <glich7(at)juno.com>
Date: Jul 24, 2007
Subject: test message
just a test please ignore Tim ________________________________________________________________________ Save hundreds of dollars a year with Juno Internet access. Plans start as low as $9.95 a month. Visit Juno today! http://track.juno.com/s/lc?u=http://ads.addynamix.com/click/2-2130421-170 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: ribs for sale
Date: Jul 24, 2007
From: "Arden Adamson" <aadamson(at)wnmdag.org>
I will be bringing 33 Pietenpol ribs to Brodhead to sell. Price is $325. Capstrips are sitka spruce, okoume marine plywood gussets, T-88. Will be arriving Friday evening and staying Saturday. I am building new ribs using the Riblett airfoil. My cell is 715-412-0396 Arden Adamson Waupaca, WI ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: ribs for sale
Date: Jul 24, 2007
From: "Arden Adamson" <aadamson(at)wnmdag.org>
Gentlemen, If anyone is interested, I will be bringing 33 Pietenpol ribs to Brodhead to sell. Price $325. They are made from Sitka spruce, okoume marine plywood gussets and T-88 epoxy. I'm building new ribs using the Riblett airfoil. Will be there Friday evening and Saturday. Cell phone is 715-412-0396 Looking forward to meeting many of you guys there. Arden Adamson Waupaca, WI ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: western aircraft supplies
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jul 24, 2007
I bought my fuselage wood from them back when the original owner was still involved. The quality was good and the service was excellent. But this was 6 years ago and I don't know how they are now. I purchased their fuselage kit and, as near as I can remember, I have not had to buy any additional wood. Some people have had shortages in wood when using the Aircraft Spruce kit. Because it was coming from Canada, I had to pick up the shipment at the airport and work with the local customs agent but it was no problem. You might want to check on where you will have to pick it up so it can clear customs. Actually, shipping was quite reasonable (as in LESS) then Aircraft Spruce. This may have all changed by now because it was 6 years ago. What is the current contact info? Do you happen have a price on wood for the wing? Hopefully, I will be needing it by the end of the year. -------- Chris Tracy WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125484#125484 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Graham Hansen" <ghans@cable-lynx.net>
Subject: Re: western aircraft supplies
Date: Jul 24, 2007
This company used to be operated by Jean Peters and was located at Calgary, Alberta. He retired a few years back and the new owner moved it to BC. Jean gave excellent service and his wood was definitely aircraft quality. Alas, I have not heard anything good about the new outfit. It seems nobody can get a response from them and I haven't heard of anyone getting wood from them. I think I would be inclined to deal with Wicks if I were looking for aircraft wood, unless you have made contact with WAS and feel you can get results. Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF- AUN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: ribs for sale
Date: Jul 24, 2007
From: "Arden Adamson" <aadamson(at)wnmdag.org>
I sent this original message to the list about two weeks ago but it only showed up now. Ribs were sold at Brodhead. Had a great time seeing many of you there. Arden Adamson ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Arden Adamson Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:42 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: ribs for sale I will be bringing 33 Pietenpol ribs to Brodhead to sell. Price is $325. Capstrips are sitka spruce, okoume marine plywood gussets, T-88. Will be arriving Friday evening and staying Saturday. I am building new ribs using the Riblett airfoil. My cell is 715-412-0396 Arden Adamson Waupaca, WI ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert Gow" <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca>
Subject: ribs for sale
Date: Jul 24, 2007
I may have a set of ribs available for about the same price. I have a project on the hook from New Mexico and just need to be sure it has a full set of ribs. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Arden Adamson Sent: July 24, 2007 11:04 AM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ribs for sale I sent this original message to the list about two weeks ago but it only showed up now. Ribs were sold at Brodhead. Had a great time seeing many of you there. Arden Adamson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Arden Adamson Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:42 AM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: ribs for sale I will be bringing 33 Pietenpol ribs to Brodhead to sell. Price is $325. Capstrips are sitka spruce, okoume marine plywood gussets, T-88. Will be arriving Friday evening and staying Saturday. I am building new ribs using the Riblett airfoil. My cell is 715-412-0396 Arden Adamson Waupaca, WI ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Some new Piet photos on the net
Date: Jul 24, 2007
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Regarding the Canadian Pietenpol C-GZHT, with the wooden lift and cabane struts, Clif wrote: "Registered July 19, 2005. So those wood struts have two years on them." This extremely well crafted Air Camper was at Brodhead on the weekend, and I talked with the owner/builder, Paul Poulin, who flew it 20 hours (with 15 stops) from his home in Quebec (near the border with Maine) to get to Brodhead. He had 120 hours of flight time on the plane as of Sunday morning. The struts are solid (laminated) white ash. Paul weighed his struts, and compared them to streamlined metal struts from a Pacer or something similar, and he says his wood struts were lighter. His plane is powered by a C-75, with starter and generator (from an Ercoupe). Paul used Kawasaki 550 motorcycle wheels - only modification was to remove the bearings and insert nylon bushings... that's right, nylon bushings. The aluminum side panel is removable to access cables and wiring that all run outside the plywood, behind the fabric. His aluminum on the sides, and the cowl, and the wheel covers comes from the hardware store - aluminum flashing. His plane weighs 754 lb (I think) including oil, but no fuel. Sunday morning Paul and a passenger departed for Oshkosh, where I am sure he will be receiving some (well deserved) award for his workmanship. Well done Paul! Bill C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: western aircraft supplies
From: "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au>
Date: Jul 24, 2007
Thanks I have made contact with them and received a fast response I am in Australia so don't want to run short. You say you have heard nothing good but have you heard any thing bad? This is there address http://www.westernaircraftspruce.com/aboutus.php Any more info would be great I have been in touch with AS&S but they can't seem to tell me much about there kit. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125592#125592 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: johnwoods(at)westnet.com.au
Subject: Re: western aircraft supplies
Date: Jul 25, 2007
Carson, Where in Australia are you? There are a few of us over in Perth WA who are using Douglas Fir which we have obtained locally. Excellent quality wood and very suitable for aircraft construction. There is a slight weight penalty but others on the list have used DF and achieved empty weights below 700lb. The big benefit we found was the cost saving, about 1/3 the cost of spruce. You will need to machine the DF down to size though. JohnW ---- Original Message ---- From: carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: western aircraft supplies Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:29:05 -0700 > > >Thanks >I have made contact with them and received a fast response I am in >Australia so don't want to run short. >You say you have heard nothing good but have you heard any thing bad? >This is there address >http://www.westernaircraftspruce.com/aboutus.php >Any more info would be great >I have been in touch with AS&S but they can't seem to tell me much >about there kit. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125592#125592 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: western aircraft supplies
From: "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au>
Date: Jul 25, 2007
Thanks to everyone found a guy in OZ that has heaps Thanks again Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125620#125620 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "carson vella" <carsonvella(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: western aircraft supplies
Date: Jul 25, 2007
Hi John Just seen a post of yours and was wondering if you ended up getting the riblett drawings and if they are any good. Graham put me on to a guy in Newcastle that has Spruce and DF. carson ----- Original Message ----- From: <johnwoods(at)westnet.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 1:18 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: western aircraft supplies > > Carson, > > Where in Australia are you? > There are a few of us over in Perth WA who are using Douglas Fir > which we have obtained locally. Excellent quality wood and very > suitable for aircraft construction. There is a slight weight penalty > but others on the list have used DF and achieved empty weights below > 700lb. The big benefit we found was the cost saving, about 1/3 the > cost of spruce. You will need to machine the DF down to size though. > > JohnW > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: western aircraft supplies > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:29:05 -0700 > >> >> >>Thanks >>I have made contact with them and received a fast response I am in >>Australia so don't want to run short. >>You say you have heard nothing good but have you heard any thing bad? >>This is there address >>http://www.westernaircraftspruce.com/aboutus.php >>Any more info would be great >>I have been in touch with AS&S but they can't seem to tell me much >>about there kit. >> >> >> >> >>Read this topic online here: >> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125592#125592 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: wing plans
From: "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au>
Date: Jul 25, 2007
Hi all I have purchased the original plans but all the talk about Jim Wills and Riblett have got me interested. Could anyone tell me how to get a set of the drawings? I have found a number for Jim Wills but it is disconected. Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125622#125622 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: wing plans
Date: Jul 25, 2007
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Carson, Is the number you have for Jim Wills the same number as listed on this page?: http://www.pfa.org.uk/S%20Mac%20Website/Specification%20Sheets%202007/pi etAircamper.pdf >From what I understand, Mr. Wills will not sell his plans to anyone in North America, but I believe he is okay with Australia. The Wills plans have details for a built-up spar, and quick-disconnect aileron fittings. Bill C. --> Hi all I have purchased the original plans but all the talk about Jim Wills and Riblett have got me interested. Could anyone tell me how to get a set of the drawings? I have found a number for Jim Wills but it is disconected. Thanks ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: wing plans
From: "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au>
Date: Jul 25, 2007
Hi I cant seem to open that site could you give me the number the one I have is (0181) 858 1900 Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125625#125625 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: wing plans
Date: Jul 25, 2007
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Looks like the web address gets split onto two lines, so it won't work if you just click on the link. If you cut and paste the bit on the line below and add it to the end of the first line, and put that into your web browser it should work. I will try attaching it again, with a small font, to try to keep it all on one line. http://www.pfa.org.uk/S%20Mac%20Website/Specification%20Sheets%202007/pi etAircamper.pdf If that didn't work, here's the contact info from that web page: Jim Wills 3 Peter Barrett Close Fakenham, North Norfolk NR21 8HP UK Phone: +44 (0) 1328 851185 Email: healthmatters.t21(at)btinternet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wing plans --> Hi I cant seem to open that site could you give me the number the one I have is (0181) 858 1900 Thanks ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: A couple of youtubes
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 25, 2007
Just thought I'd post a couple of quick youtubes of barnstorming our way to Brodhead. Don Emch NX899DE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tw-rg9PHFs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibkoYem6RtE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125640#125640 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Abramson" <davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com>
Subject: Cabanes at Brodhead
Date: Jul 25, 2007
Hi Barry, I think I forgot to send the check. Do you still have a set I can purchase????? Thanks, Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry Davis Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:00 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead Yes, I can. Shipping is about $8 to anywhere in the US. Send $28 and your address to: I'm leaving for Brodhead in the morning, is it OK to ship when I return when I have more time? Barry Davis 728-B Bankhead Ave Carrollton, Ga. 30117 1-888-834-8900 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Abramson <mailto:davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:30 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead I will buy a set, but I will not be at Broadhead... Can you ship? Cheers, Dave ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "carson vella" <carsonvella(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: wing plans
Date: Jul 26, 2007
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wing plansHi Bill Thats perfect thank you very much. I think Piet building would have been a whole lot harder befoe the internet. Thanks Carson ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Church To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:27 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wing plans Looks like the web address gets split onto two lines, so it won't work if you just click on the link. If you cut and paste the bit on the line below and add it to the end of the first line, and put that into your web browser it should work. I will try attaching it again, with a small font, to try to keep it all on one line. http://www.pfa.org.uk/S%20Mac%20Website/Specification%20Sheets%202007/pie tAircamper.pdf If that didn't work, here's the contact info from that web page: Jim Wills 3 Peter Barrett Close Fakenham, North Norfolk NR21 8HP UK Phone: +44 (0) 1328 851185 Email: healthmatters.t21(at)btinternet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:01 AM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wing plans --> Hi I cant seem to open that site could you give me the number the one I have is (0181) 858 1900 Thanks ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <wingding(at)usmo.com>
Subject: landing gear end
Date: Jul 25, 2007
I took this photo at Brodhead this year with the intent of using a piece like this on my landing gear. I failed to get the name of the builder, but It is an aircamper. For the life of me, I can't remember where I have seen these end parts that are welded into the end of the tube. I thought I had seen them at one time in Wicks catalog, which is why I failed to get the builders name. Can anyone identify this plane or this part and tell me where I can get some? dennis engelkenjohn ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: landing gear end
Date: Jul 25, 2007
Dennis, It appears to me to be a "Pushrod forked end fitting" found on page 143 of the aircraft spruce catalog. Gene----- Original Message ----- 7/25/2007 2:55 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <wingding(at)usmo.com>
Subject: Re: landing gear end
Date: Jul 25, 2007
Thanks Gene, but it appears smaller in the catalog. That is into 5/8" tubing. dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene & Tammy To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: landing gear end Dennis, It appears to me to be a "Pushrod forked end fitting" found on page 143 of the aircraft spruce catalog. Gene----- Original Message ----- 7/25/2007 2:55 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: dennis hall's air camper model A
Date: Jul 26, 2007
Jim, I spoke with Dennis Hall about why he pulled the Ford, and he said it was because "he wanted to try something different" I pushed him if he'd had troubles with the Ford and he said "none" Great to meet a lot of you guys! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Date: Jul 26, 2007
Subject: Re: dennis hall's air camper model A
Last year Dennis Hall told he is (0r did) moving to Az and wanted more power for the high temps. and tall cactus. Those shock strut end fittings can be made easily by a machinest and perhaps were. Leon S. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <wingding(at)usmo.com>
Subject: Re: dennis hall's air camper model A
Date: Jul 26, 2007
Hi Leon: That Piet was in a hangar in the 3 rows of hangars along the back of the airport. I found those things on the internet last night. They are called: weld in clevis tube adapters. They are not in the size that I want, but I will keep looking. They are made of 4130 and are carried by the racing car companies. dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Stefan" <lshutks(at)webtv.net> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 11:58 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: dennis hall's air camper model A > > Last year Dennis Hall told he is (0r did) moving to Az and wanted more > power for the high temps. and tall cactus. Those shock strut end > fittings can be made easily by a machinest and perhaps were. Leon S. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard and Kathryn Davis" <kbrooks(at)aptalaska.net>
Subject: Aileron and Elevator Horns
Date: Jul 26, 2007
Hello all we are looking for a set of Aileron horns and a set of Elevator horns if anyone is parting out or has extra to sell. Thanks Richard &Kathryn Davis your remotest Alaskan Piet builders. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 26, 2007
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: wing plans
Ran into two builders at Broadhead that brought and sold their Piet ribs. They are going to building a set of Riblett ribs. I would do the same if my completed and varnished wing wasn't hanging in my garage. Rick On 7/25/07, carson wrote: > > > Hi all > > I have purchased the original plans but all the talk about Jim Wills and > Riblett > have got me interested. > Could anyone tell me how to get a set of the drawings? > I have found a number for Jim Wills but it is disconected. > Thanks > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125622#125622 > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: wing plans
Date: Jul 26, 2007
From: "Arden Adamson" <aadamson(at)wnmdag.org>
Bill Rewey and Roman Bukolt both sell the full size drawing of the Riblett rib. I bought mine from Bill. They both follow this Piet list. Bill Rewey 608-833-5839 Best of luck, Arden Adamson ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Rick Holland Sent: Thu 7/26/2007 9:35 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wing plans Ran into two builders at Broadhead that brought and sold their Piet ribs. They are going to building a set of Riblett ribs. I would do the same if my completed and varnished wing wasn't hanging in my garage. Rick On 7/25/07, carson wrote: Hi all I have purchased the original plans but all the talk about Jim Wills and Riblett have got me interested. Could anyone tell me how to get a set of the drawings? I have found a number for Jim Wills but it is disconected. Thanks Read this topic online here: ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125622#125622> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 26, 2007
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Aileron and Elevator Horns
Richard, While at Brodhead this year, I caught the tail end of the seminar by Ken Perkins. He makes most (if not all) the parts you will need for the pietenpol. I have seen his work and find it excellent! You can order any part you need from him and as you can afford it! He can be reached at Perk's Aerowerks 913-764-6949. Ken H. Fargo, ND Richard and Kathryn Davis wrote: Hello all we are looking for a set of Aileron horns and a set of Elevator horns if anyone is parting out or has extra to sell. Thanks Richard &Kathryn Davis your remotest Alaskan Piet builders. Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "carson vella" <carsonvella(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Aileron and Elevator Horns
Date: Jul 27, 2007
Hi Does Ken have an email contact or website? Carson ----- Original Message ----- From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 3:10 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron and Elevator Horns Richard, While at Brodhead this year, I caught the tail end of the seminar by Ken Perkins. He makes most (if not all) the parts you will need for the pietenpol. I have seen his work and find it excellent! You can order any part you need from him and as you can afford it! He can be reached at Perk's Aerowerks 913-764-6949. Ken H. Fargo, ND Richard and Kathryn Davis wrote: Hello all we are looking for a set of Aileron horns and a set of Elevator horns if anyone is parting out or has extra to sell. Thanks Richard &Kathryn Davis your remotest Alaskan Piet BA,CPO,FAAOP ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 27, 2007
From: "Bill Princell" <weprincell(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Ken Perkins Email Address:
Hi Carson: Go to http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=8 to see the parts that Ken makes for other builders. His email address is kenvernaperkins(at)juno.com . Bill Princell / Noblesville, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 29, 2007
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Tragic P-51 accident at Oshkosh
video link http://www.aero-tv.net/index.cfm?videoid=00b0d640-e714-4b79-b17b-6f3b0f 149c4d Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 29, 2007
Subject: Awards
Plans Champion - Bronze Lindy James Woolworth, Milford, MI 2007 Skybolt, N911JW Jim Rust, El Cajon, CA 2006 Tailwind W10, N316TW Christopher May, Owensboro, KY 2007 Wheeler Firebolt, N4GW Larry Black, Cottonwood, CA 1991 Black Falco F8, N572AB James Kilroy, Berkeley, CA 2005 Pitts Model 12, N133GT Paul Poulin, Beauceville, QC 2000 Canadian Goose Pietenpol - Air Camper, CGZHT Duayne Muhle, Duncan, NE 1996 Fleet Edward S1S, N9173R Congratulations Paul Poulin !! ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: way to go Paul!!
Date: Jul 30, 2007
Dont' know if you read this list, but if you do, congratulations Paul!!! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert Gow" <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca>
Subject: Aileron and Elevator Horns
Date: Jul 30, 2007
aw some on Ebay last week -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard and Kathryn Davis Sent: July 26, 2007 8:12 PM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron and Elevator Horns Hello all we are looking for a set of Aileron horns and a set of Elevator horns if anyone is parting out or has extra to sell. Thanks Richard &Kathryn Davis your remotest Alaskan Piet builders. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Max Hegler" <MaxHegler(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Cabanes at Brodhead
Date: Jul 30, 2007
Barry, It was great to meet you and Mike and your wives. Dianne is jealous...she couldn't go this year. She is definitely going next year! Do you guys think you will make it next year? Hope so...maybe we can camp together. When I got home and unloaded the car, guess what fell out of the car...my camera. I had unloaded the car and went through everything at Oshkosh and couldn't find it. I even unpacked all the bags...freaky! Anyway, I have all the pictures I took at Brodhead, but didn't take any at Oshkosh. That camera is going to bug me for a while. I think I am going to try to come down for one of your EAA meetings if that is convenient. It will probably have to be November since September and October are special event meetings with our EAA chapter. Let me know if that would be a problem. Take Care, Max ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Davis To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead OK Max Mike and I usually camp across the field in the trees. This year I am pulling my antique 1964 Scotty camper. It is White with Turquois top. Mike is pulling his homebuilt teardrop. We are arriving Friday night and leaving on Sunday. I'll bring you a set. Barry Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: Max Hegler To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:29 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead Barry, I would like a set. I will arrive at Brodhead around noon on Saturday. Not sure I will camp there or get a hotel nearby. Looking forward to seeing everyone there... Max ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Davis To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead Does anyone need any aluminum cabane strut material? We have a few sets I can sell for $20 for 4 Pieces. These are 28" long and 3" wide. They take a 1" square insert. I hope the pictures come through, but can email you direct if they don't. Barry Davis I WILL BRING TO BRODHEAD IF YOU LET ME KNOW BRFORE NOON ON ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Max Hegler" <MaxHegler(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Scenes from Broadhead
Date: Jul 30, 2007
Okay...found the camera. Thanks for everyone's help. Take Care, Max ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Hegler" <maxhegler(at)msn.com> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 5:51 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Scenes from Broadhead > > > Speaking of scenes from Brodhead...I dropped my camera while I was there. > It is a Canon SD700 (I think...I have to check the box when I get home). > It is in a small case that fits on your belt. If anyone found it, please > let me know...I will be glad to offer a reward to get it back. > > Thanks, > Max Hegler > (334) 201-3794 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2007
From: Greg Chapman <greg(at)mousetrax.com>
Subject: Re: Scenes from Broadhead
So who got the reward, Max? ;) Greg Chapman Max Hegler wrote: > > Okay...found the camera. Thanks for everyone's help. > > Take Care, > Max > > - ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Max Hegler" <MaxHegler(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Cabanes at Brodhead
Date: Jul 30, 2007
Sorry...forgot to change address... ----- Original Message ----- From: Max Hegler To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:26 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead Barry, It was great to meet you and Mike and your wives. Dianne is jealous...she couldn't go this year. She is definitely going next year! Do you guys think you will make it next year? Hope so...maybe we can camp together. When I got home and unloaded the car, guess what fell out of the car...my camera. I had unloaded the car and went through everything at Oshkosh and couldn't find it. I even unpacked all the bags...freaky! Anyway, I have all the pictures I took at Brodhead, but didn't take any at Oshkosh. That camera is going to bug me for a while. I think I am going to try to come down for one of your EAA meetings if that is convenient. It will probably have to be November since September and October are special event meetings with our EAA chapter. Let me know if that would be a problem. Take Care, Max ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Davis To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead OK Max Mike and I usually camp across the field in the trees. This year I am pulling my antique 1964 Scotty camper. It is White with Turquois top. Mike is pulling his homebuilt teardrop. We are arriving Friday night and leaving on Sunday. I'll bring you a set. Barry Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: Max Hegler To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:29 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead Barry, I would like a set. I will arrive at Brodhead around noon on Saturday. Not sure I will camp there or get a hotel nearby. Looking forward to seeing everyone there... Max ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Davis To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead Does anyone need any aluminum cabane strut material? We have a few sets I can sell for $20 for 4 Pieces. These are 28" long and 3" wide. They take a 1" square insert. I hope the pictures come through, but can email you direct if they don't. Barry Davis I WILL BRING TO BRODHEAD IF YOU LET ME KNOW BRFORE NOON ON ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: piet kids
Date: Jul 30, 2007
I got back from OSH late Sat night and have been recovering since. At OSH, I met the supervisor/escort for the kids that restored the Montana Piet. He asked me to pass along the thanks from all of the kids for your support. Your donations were used to treat the kids to a trip to OSH. The kids were all given the royal treatment there. While I spoke with him, they were on a ride in the Ford Tri motor. They had all spoke at a Forum set up by Doc Mosher, had a chance to meet Chuck Yeager and a private breakfast with Paul Poberenzy at his home. I know there is much more to come on this. I was told there was a constant stream of reporters following them. They all stopped by my plane but I wasn't there at the time, so I missed out. You all did a good thing Dick ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: piet kids
Date: Jul 30, 2007
From: "Arden Adamson" <aadamson(at)wnmdag.org>
That's a great report. And thanks, Dick, for heading up the collecting of funds and sending it to them. Glad to be a part of that effort. This is one of the many things I like/enjoy about the aviation community. Arden Adamson ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Navratil Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 11:04 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: piet kids I got back from OSH late Sat night and have been recovering since. At OSH, I met the supervisor/escort for the kids that restored the Montana Piet. He asked me to pass along the thanks from all of the kids for your support. Your donations were used to treat the kids to a trip to OSH. The kids were all given the royal treatment there. While I spoke with him, they were on a ride in the Ford Tri motor. They had all spoke at a Forum set up by Doc Mosher, had a chance to meet Chuck Yeager and a private breakfast with Paul Poberenzy at his home. I know there is much more to come on this. I was told there was a constant stream of reporters following them. They all stopped by my plane but I wasn't there at the time, so I missed out. You all did a good thing Dick ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2007
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: piet kids
Dick, Thanks for the update. This is a very good outcome for some great kids. Thanks for helping us all help them. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Dick Navratil <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> >Sent: Jul 30, 2007 11:03 AM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: piet kids > >I got back from OSH late Sat night and have been recovering since. At OSH, I met the supervisor/escort for the kids that restored the Montana Piet. He asked me to pass along the thanks from all of the kids for your support. Your donations were used to treat the kids to a trip to OSH. >The kids were all given the royal treatment there. While I spoke with him, they were on a ride in the Ford Tri motor. They had all spoke at a Forum set up by Doc Mosher, had a chance to meet Chuck Yeager and a private breakfast with Paul Poberenzy at his home. I know there is much more to come on this. I was told there was a constant stream of reporters following them. They all stopped by my plane but I wasn't there at the time, so I missed out. >You all did a good thing >Dick ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert Gow" <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca>
Subject: Moving a project
Date: Jul 30, 2007
I've made a deal on a project in New Mexico. Now I need to get it to the big town of Midland Ontario. I thought perhaps I could ride my motorcycle and bring them both back in a Uhaul but a Piet is is quit long. (200 inches including mount by the plans) and would require a huge truck. Any clever ideas? Does any one know what a container might cost? Bob ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: article in Sport Pilot
Date: Jul 30, 2007
Pieters; I submitted a short article on NX41CC to Mary Jones for inclusion in "Sport Pilot" many months ago, at her request. I've heard that it has come out in the August issue but I don't get the magazine. It is supposed to be in the "what our members are building/restoring/flying" section. Not "Sport Aviation" magazine, but the sister publication for the Light Sport Aircraft/Sport Pilot crowd. If someone has it and can verify, I'd like to see the article as finally published. Thanks. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2007
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Moving a project
Bob, If you have access to a car or pickup, a 16-foot trailer works quite well. Around here the trailers rent for $25 a day. I use my own 16' trailer which I have owned for over 20 years. The 16-foot dimension is for the bed alone, so you can overhang a Piet a bit on both ends as needed. Take the empennage off before towing, and put lots of plastic all over everything. Tie down with heavy rope or nylon cinch binders. Watch out for sharp edges and effects of wind. It worked for me. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Robert Gow <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca> >Sent: Jul 30, 2007 1:56 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Moving a project > >I've made a deal on a project in New Mexico. Now I need to get it to the >big town of Midland Ontario. I thought perhaps I could ride my motorcycle >and bring them both back in a Uhaul but a Piet is is quit long. (200 inches >including mount by the plans) and would require a huge truck. Any clever >ideas? Does any one know what a container might cost? > >Bob ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2007
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Moving a project
Bob, Keep one thing in mind,,,when I moved my Piet to the field for the first time. In our large container truck,,,the horz stab is too wide to fit in. Never would have thought of it. Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Gow To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 2:56 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Moving a project I've made a deal on a project in New Mexico. Now I need to get it to the big town of Midland Ontario. I thought perhaps I could ride my motorcycle and bring them both back in a Uhaul but a Piet is is quit long. (200 inches including mount by the plans) and would require a huge truck. Any clever ideas? Does any one know what a container might cost? Bob ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert Gow" <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca>
Subject: Moving a project
Date: Jul 30, 2007
Thanks What size truck was that? Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of walt evans Sent: July 30, 2007 3:42 PM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Moving a project Bob, Keep one thing in mind,,,when I moved my Piet to the field for the first time. In our large container truck,,,the horz stab is too wide to fit in. Never would have thought of it. Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Gow To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 2:56 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Moving a project I've made a deal on a project in New Mexico. Now I need to get it to the big town of Midland Ontario. I thought perhaps I could ride my motorcycle and bring them both back in a Uhaul but a Piet is is quit long. (200 inches including mount by the plans) and would require a huge truck. Any clever ideas? Does any one know what a container might cost? Bob href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Moving a project
Date: Jul 30, 2007
What Walt says is right. To see the physical relationship between the Piet horizontal stabilizer and a typical trailer, take a look at this picture which shows how wide it is: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/incident/PC310003.JPG Other than that consideration, an open trailer is a great way to move your project. For more inspiration along these lines, take a look at how Corky moved his Aeronca the same way... in the snow. Here's the link to the pix: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/Defender.html Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2007
From: Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Moving a project
Why not just drive down in a car and purchase a $250 trailer from Harbor Freight or Tractor Supply? You would overhang a couple of feet in front of the trailer and maybe 6 in back. Here in NY a registration would be $10. Dave At 02:56 PM 7/30/2007, you wrote: >I've made a deal on a project in New Mexico. Now I need to get it to the >big town of Midland Ontario. I thought perhaps I could ride my motorcycle >and bring them both back in a Uhaul but a Piet is is quit long. (200 >inches including mount by the plans) and would require a huge truck. Any >clever ideas? Does any one know what a container might cost? > >Bob > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pietflyr" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: article in Sport Pilot
Date: Jul 30, 2007
Yep, there it is on page 50. Way to go, Oscar! Jack Phillips Already planning to fly my Pietenpol to Brodhead in 2009 for the 80th anniversary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 2:58 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: article in Sport Pilot Pieters; I submitted a short article on NX41CC to Mary Jones for inclusion in "Sport Pilot" many months ago, at her request. I've heard that it has come out in the August issue but I don't get the magazine. It is supposed to be in the "what our members are building/restoring/flying" section. Not "Sport Aviation" magazine, but the sister publication for the Light Sport Aircraft/Sport Pilot crowd. If someone has it and can verify, I'd like to see the article as finally published. Thanks. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 30, 2007
Subject: Re: Moving a project
It was a cinch at 25 below CMC ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2007
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Moving a project
Oscar, Yeah, I noticed the tail. But mainly I saw the S**T eatin' grin of a new Piet owner. :^) Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Moving a project > > > What Walt says is right. To see the physical relationship between the > Piet horizontal stabilizer and a typical trailer, take a look at this > picture which shows how wide it is: > > http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/incident/PC310003.JPG > > Other than that consideration, an open trailer is a great way to move your > project. For more inspiration along these lines, take a look at how Corky > moved his Aeronca the same way... in the snow. Here's the link to the > pix: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/Defender.html > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://newlivehotmail.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2007
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Moving a project
Bob, Don't remember the exact sizes, but equal to lots of UHAULS. I can get the truck dimentions, if you'd like. Check the prints. It's just one of the things that caught me off guard. Just a point to ponder. Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Gow To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 4:12 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Moving a project Thanks What size truck was that? Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of walt evans Sent: July 30, 2007 3:42 PM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Moving a project Bob, Keep one thing in mind,,,when I moved my Piet to the field for the first time. In our large container truck,,,the horz stab is too wide to fit in. Never would have thought of it. Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Gow To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 2:56 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Moving a project I've made a deal on a project in New Mexico. Now I need to get it to the big town of Midland Ontario. I thought perhaps I could ride my motorcycle and bring them both back in a Uhaul but a Piet is is quit long. (200 inches including mount by the plans) and would require a huge truck. Any clever ideas? Does any one know what a container might cost? Bob href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2007
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Moving a project
Dave, How would you register it down there if from NY? Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave and Connie To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 6:23 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Moving a project Why not just drive down in a car and purchase a $250 trailer from Harbor Freight or Tractor Supply? You would overhang a couple of feet in front of the trailer and maybe 6 in back. Here in NY a registration would be $10. Dave At 02:56 PM 7/30/2007, you wrote: I've made a deal on a project in New Mexico. Now I need to get it to the big town of Midland Ontario. I thought perhaps I could ride my motorcycle and bring them both back in a Uhaul but a Piet is is quit long. (200 inches including mount by the plans) and would require a huge truck. Any clever ideas? Does any one know what a container might cost? Bob ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2007
From: Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Moving a project
Most states will allow you to register a vehicle bought in the state. I was just giving an example of how cheap trailer registrations are. Nothing else is cheap here in the tax capital of the US. We are usually number 1 or 2 on total tax load. And the state govt wonders why business is leaving.... If he called ahead Bob could probably get a serial number and do the whole registration in Ontario and take the tags with him. My real point is that it may be cheaper to get a throwaway trailer there than to rent a U Haul. You could even get some of the cash back by selling it after the advenrure. Dave At 07:11 PM 7/30/2007, you wrote: >Dave, >How would you register it down there if from NY? >Walt Evans >NX140DL >"No one ever learned anything by talking" >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:dmatt(at)frontiernet.net>Dave and Connie >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 6:23 PM >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Moving a project > >Why not just drive down in a car and purchase a $250 trailer from Harbor >Freight or Tractor Supply? You would overhang a couple of feet in front >of the trailer and maybe 6 in back. Here in NY a registration would be $10. >Dave > >At 02:56 PM 7/30/2007, you wrote: > >>I've made a deal on a project in New Mexico. Now I need to get it to the >>big town of Midland Ontario. I thought perhaps I could ride my motorcycle >>and bring them both back in a Uhaul but a Piet is is quit long. (200 >>inches including mount by the plans) and would require a huge truck. Any >>clever ideas? Does any one know what a container might cost? >> >>Bob > > >href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > >href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Moving a project
Date: Jul 30, 2007
Thanks to some great helpers at Brodhead, we assembled my Piet out of the trailer, in just over an hour, including the tail. My tail was also too wide to go in. I built a carpeted pallet to hold it. I padded the walls and stood wings up, leading edge down. Make sure there are plenty of places to tie off to. Maybe Skip Gadd can weigh in on trailing across country with a flat bed trailer, he did that last year. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Gow To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Moving a project I've made a deal on a project in New Mexico. Now I need to get it to the big town of Midland Ontario. I thought perhaps I could ride my motorcycle and bring them both back in a Uhaul but a Piet is is quit long. (200 inches including mount by the plans) and would require a huge truck. Any clever ideas? Does any one know what a container might cost? Bob ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" <M.Silvius(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: then theres the Beverly Hill Billies method of moving
a plane
Date: Jul 30, 2007
Though I only moved it about 160 miles. That there is a Flaconar F-12. the wing is 28 ft long tip to tip. 16 foot flat center section. I bolted a rack on the front bumper made out of parts of an old clothing display rack and added 16 foot long 2x4s to bridge fwd to back over the truck cap. michael silvius scarborough, maine ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" <M.Silvius(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Mooving a project
Date: Jul 30, 2007
That is what the rack I built to move the Falconar looked like. more pix of the plane at: http://rides.webshots.com/album/147451245dhnmgI Michael Silvius ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Catdesigns" <catdesigns(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Axel on Wood Gear Question
Date: Jul 30, 2007
Question for people with the wood gear strait axel. What goes on the inner side to hold the wheel in place? I have pictures of the outer end of the axel but non of the inside. I am planning on using brakes like Mike Cuy or perhaps a drum. Anyone have pictures of their axel without the wheels on it? Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Keri-Ann Price saying, " Hello! "
From: "womenfly2" <keriannprice(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 31, 2007
Its been awhile. Some people have been asking were I am, so here is a link to find me: Keep the Dream, Keri-Ann Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126559#126559 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: article in Sport Pilot
Date: Jul 31, 2007
Thanks to all who offered, but no help needed after all. I found a big flat envelope in my mailbox yesterday. Mary Jones sent me 3 copies of the magazine so I'm all fixed up. Pietenpols forever! Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert Gow" <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca>
Subject: Moving a project
Date: Jul 31, 2007
That's pretty inexpensive. I don't suppose it would be a problem to register the trailer here so I could bring plates with me. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dave and Connie Sent: July 30, 2007 6:24 PM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Moving a project Why not just drive down in a car and purchase a $250 trailer from Harbor Freight or Tractor Supply? You would overhang a couple of feet in front of the trailer and maybe 6 in back. Here in NY a registration would be $10. Dave At 02:56 PM 7/30/2007, you wrote: I've made a deal on a project in New Mexico. Now I need to get it to the big town of Midland Ontario. I thought perhaps I could ride my motorcycle and bring them both back in a Uhaul but a Piet is is quit long. (200 inches including mount by the plans) and would require a huge truck. Any clever ideas? Does any one know what a container might cost? Bob ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert Gow" <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca>
Subject: Mooving a project
Date: Jul 31, 2007
Thanks all. Lot's of good ideas. I'll kick it around and see what the schedule will withstand. Certainly a road trip will be fun. I've not seen some of the states I'd have to go thru on the way back. Of course I'd rather fly the Cherokee or drive the motorcycle but . . . . . Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of MICHAEL SILVIUS Sent: July 30, 2007 10:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mooving a project That is what the rack I built to move the Falconar looked like. more pix of the plane at: http://rides.webshots.com/album/147451245dhnmgI Michael Silvius ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 31, 2007
Subject: Re: Mooving a project
Get the movie, " The World's Fastest Indian " for some additional traveling ideas. CMC and Nathan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Terry Hall" <adaairport(at)cableone.net>
Subject: Yellow Poplar for Spars
Date: Jul 31, 2007
Hello all, Has anyone used Yellow Poplar for laminated spars? If so, what was your experience? All comments welcome. Terry Hall Sky Scout Builder Ada, OK ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dale Johnson" <ddjohn(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Axel on Wood Gear Question
Date: Jul 31, 2007
Chris I used a hub just like the one on the outside with a 10-32 bolt through the axel. Dale Johnson in Mpls > [Original Message] > From: Catdesigns <catdesigns(at)comcast.net> > To: > Date: 7/30/2007 10:01:39 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Axel on Wood Gear Question > > > Question for people with the wood gear strait axel. What goes on the inner > side to hold the wheel in place? I have pictures of the outer end of the > axel but non of the inside. I am planning on using brakes like Mike Cuy or > perhaps a drum. > > Anyone have pictures of their axel without the wheels on it? > > Chris Tracy > Sacramento, Ca > Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 31, 2007
Subject: Axle/Wheel stop
Chris, I made a simple sleeve/disc out of 4130 and welded it in place when I was sure of the placement. I used very small spot-type welds as to not compromise strength of the axle. See attached. Dan Helsper, Poplar Grove, IL ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Axle/Wheel stop
Date: Jul 31, 2007
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
Hey Dan - Sorry I missed you Saturday. Apparently I was landing at Poplar Grove in my RV4 as you were about to take off. Spent several hours on the ground there waiting for the wx to improve on my route southeast. I would have enjoyed getting to see your project while I was there. Tina said that you were departing in that red Aeronca as I was landing. Jack Phillips _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of HelsperSew(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Axle/Wheel stop Chris, I made a simple sleeve/disc out of 4130 and welded it in place when I was sure of the placement. I used very small spot-type welds as to not compromise strength of the axle. See attached. Dan Helsper, Poplar Grove, IL _____ <http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982> . _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 31, 2007
Subject: Re: Poplar Grove
Jack, Sorry I missed you too. I was giving rides all throughout the day in my Aeronca Sedan to all my relatives attending our son's wedding reception at our home there on the airport. I got the message from Tina on Sunday that you said "Hi". We should make arrangements in advance next year as you are passing through. It will be a miracle if I am finished with my Piet by then. BTW I was able to attend a 3 day workshop in OSH entitled "how to carve a prop". I was a fixture there for the whole time and learned EVERYTHING from start to finish. The instructor was a good ole boy from chapter 241 in DeKalb IL. by the name of Jerry Thornhill. A real character. He has helped to build over 20 WWI aircraft, and he recently sold his Gnome-powered Sopwith Camel to Peter Jackson (movie fame) in New Zealand. The tools for the prop carving were an electric chain saw, a 9" disc sander (rubber wheel), and a DeWalt oscillating sander, in that order. I am going to try it myself. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Dick N's cool piet, and misc
From: "rmueller23" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 31, 2007
Hello all, I was fortunate enough to be able to attend Osh, and when I managed to secure a release from my duties at the Red Barn I met my uncle and his buddy who is building a somewhat obscure homebuilt w/ a corvair, and on our trip through the homebuilt exhibitor area we passed the Rotec tent. Thankfully we were just in time for the run of Dick N's Roitec powered Piet, and it was fantastic. The Piet with that engine is unbelievably neat, and the airframe itself is a work of art. I'm sure better photos will make their way onto the list, but I'll throw mine up for now. I was blessed enough to have Chet autograph my Piet Story book, and look forward to ordering my plans and get to building on a Piet w/ a Model A Ford, Ryan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126753#126753 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 31, 2007
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Need assistance!
Fellow Pieters: I have located an engine for my pietenpol project in Fairmont, Oklahoma. Hence the problem.....I need someone who can drive over to his residence and examine the engine. For my needs, it is the right price and what I have been searching for! Any takers close to his location? I believe it is straight south of Wichita, Kansas! I would like to purchase this engine and have it shipped back to me via truck. However, the seller has no way of providing photos and not able to store/crate the engine for shipping. So, if any fellow Pieter's are interested in a nice evening drive please contact me ASAP. I do have some green paper in very small denominations for gas usage! Sincerely, Ken H. Fargo, ND Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 31, 2007
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Need assistance phone number!
Fellow Pieters: If you are interested please contact me at one of the following numbers: 218-486-1963 Home 701-793-3030 Cell 701-298-7926 Work Thanks, Ken H Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Hall Scout sold and going to Michigan
Date: Aug 01, 2007
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
While in the hangar on Sunday at Brodhead looking at Dennis Hall's Sky Scout (which actually was built by Earl Myers of Louisville, OH) I saw the new owner from Michigan trying on the cockpit. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: tail wheels
Date: Aug 01, 2007
Hi guys, Looks like I'm going to have to put a tailwheel on my skid assembly for asphalt. Wanted your input on what's worked and what HASNT. I've heard, and it makes sense that a tailwheel adds twisting loads to the stock design that it wasn't intended for. yet at Brodhead, I didn't see many assemblies that seemed modified and yet they were in one piece. If you did modify the assembly, what did you do? Also, will a 3" wheel work on grass or is it too small? I'm thinking of building one up myself Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 01, 2007
Subject: Re: tail wheels
Douwe, You might want to see the photos of what I did with the tailwheel/skid. They are on the matronics photoshare or you can find them in the photo section of Chris Tracy's sight westcoastpiet.com. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "glich7(at)juno.com" <glich7(at)juno.com>
Date: Aug 01, 2007
Subject: various questions
Okay list, looks like I'm able to post again. wee hoo! Here are someone questions I have about recent happenings. Tim Verthein- you mentioned a link to a video of WW's motor seminar, will you send me that off list or post it? thanks. Max?- you mentioned someone named mike who had a homebuilt teardrop trailer at brodhead. I've been pondering building a homebuilt teardrop and wanted to ask questions about which design he had and whether he built it or bought it from another builder. Can you send contact info or further info about that trailer? thanks. Congrats to C-GZHT on the award, way to go! I have always planned to try wooden struts but I hadn't found much info before hearing about C- GZHT. Does anyone remember an air camper named 'Old Pete' or 'Old Piet'? That was the only other pietenpol I had been able to find in the past which had wooden struts. I couldn't find much about it other than a few lines of blurry text and an old b&w photo of the struts, but it had no clues about dimensions. No rush, but anyone with info, please feel free. Cool pictures in that big album by the way, the lincoln sport restoration is coming along well. thanks for the help Tim Hansen in Orient, Ohio ________________________________________________________________________ Get Juno DSL - the easier, safer broadband! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "glich7(at)juno.com" <glich7(at)juno.com>
Date: Aug 01, 2007
Subject: various questions
Okay list, looks like I'm able to post again. wee hoo! Here are someone questions I have about recent happenings. Tim Verthein- you mentioned a link to a video of WW's motor seminar, will you send me that off list or post it? thanks. Max?- you mentioned someone named mike who had a homebuilt teardrop trailer at brodhead. I've been pondering building a homebuilt teardrop and wanted to ask questions about which design he had and whether he built it or bought it from another builder. Can you send contact info or further info about that trailer? thanks. Congrats to C-GZHT on the award, way to go! I have always planned to try wooden struts but I hadn't found much info before hearing about C- GZHT. Does anyone remember an air camper named 'Old Pete' or 'Old Piet'? That was the only other pietenpol I had been able to find in the past which had wooden struts. I couldn't find much about it other than a few lines of blurry text and an old b&w photo of the struts, but it had no clues about dimensions. No rush, but anyone with info, please feel free. Cool pictures in that big album by the way, the lincoln sport restoration is coming along well. thanks for the help Tim Hansen in Orient, Ohio ________________________________________________________________________ Get Juno DSL - the easier, safer broadband! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brodheaders
Date: Aug 01, 2007
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Corky (and anyone else out there who couldn't make it to Brodhead), I finally loaded a few photos I shot at Brodhead on Mykitplane.com. Here's the link: http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=316 Bill C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: tail wheels
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 01, 2007
Hey Douwe, Here's a couple of shots of mine. There's a 1/2" AN bolt going up through there. I got the bolt longer and cut off all the threads. You can see in the pics that it's bolted through with AN3 bolts, both in the wheel yoke part and with the steering "T". I started with a 3 1/2" wheel. That was too small. I went to a 4" wheel that was also a little wider. It actually made a big difference. So far it has held up really well. From pavement to hayfields! After flying Sky Gypsy though, I could almost go back to a skid. For now I guess I'll stick with the wheel. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/dscn0381_111.jpg http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/dscn0380_596.jpg Lots of other good ideas out there too! Keep it light though. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127014#127014 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 01, 2007
Subject: Re: Brodheaders
Thanks Bill. Those were great shots of great planes. Corky, Levi and Nathan http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 01, 2007
From: Ryan Michals <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Tail Post
My wife, daughter and I just glued up our first fuselage side today, wow, what a wild time. There was T-88, gussets and nails flying everywhere. Good times. I was looking over a few of Carl Loar's pics on the Westcoast piet site and realized I may have made a mistake. Do I glue a tail post in each side or do I wait and just glue one in after I. join the sides? Thanks Ryan --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Tail Post
Date: Aug 01, 2007
Ryan: You glue a tailpost to each side. When you draw the two fuselage sides together for gluing, taper each tailpost and part of the top and bottom longerons so that the two sides will remain centered when drawn together. I used a cad program to determine what the angle should be and then cut with a hardwood edge guide and a back saw. Rick Schreiber ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Michals Sent: 8/1/2007 8:25:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Post My wife, daughter and I just glued up our first fuselage side today, wow, what a wild time. There was T-88, gussets and nails flying everywhere. Good times. I was looking over a few of Carl Loar's pics on the Westcoast piet site and realized I may have made a mistake. Do I glue a tail post in each side or do I wait and just glue one in after I. join the sides? Thanks Ryan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Catdesigns" <catdesigns(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Tail Post
Date: Aug 01, 2007
I did it the same way except I used a strait edge, belt sander and eyeballed the angle. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Schreiber To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 7:06 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail Post Ryan: You glue a tailpost to each side. When you draw the two fuselage sides together for gluing, taper each tailpost and part of the top and bottom longerons so that the two sides will remain centered when drawn together. I used a cad program to determine what the angle should be and then cut with a hardwood edge guide and a back saw. Rick Schreiber ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Michals To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: 8/1/2007 8:25:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Post My wife, daughter and I just glued up our first fuselage side today, wow, what a wild time. There was T-88, gussets and nails flying everywhere. Good times. I was looking over a few of Carl Loar's pics on the Westcoast piet site and realized I may have made a mistake. Do I glue a tail post in each side or do I wait and just glue one in after I. join the sides? Thanks Ryan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Whaley" <MerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Attending Brodhead
Date: Aug 01, 2007
Ted, didn't I see that your Cessna won an award at Oshkosh this year? Congrats! -Mike Mike Whaley merlin@ov-10bronco.net Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association http://www.ov-10bronco.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979(at)naples.net> > Ted Brousseau, Naples Florida. I will be flyiing my Cessna 140 and > camping accross the field. The new Piet will come next year. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Whaley" <MerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Brodhead photos
Date: Aug 01, 2007
I posted some B'head and Oshkosh photos at www.steenaero.com in the "Event Reports" section. Mike Whaley merlin@ov-10bronco.net Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association http://www.ov-10bronco.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 7:34 AM Subject: [piet] Re: Pietenpol-List: List of Brodhead '07 Attendees Will have to cancel our plans of attending. What a bummer. Hopefully someone will take lots of photos and post them soon. Gene & Tammy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- 7/16/2007 5:42 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 02, 2007
Subject: Re: Tail Post
Not to much different than the way I did it, however when I brought the joint together they needed additional adjustment and fine tuning. I lightly clamped a file between both halves and by filing between the two mating surfaces I was able to create a matched joint at the top and bottom of the tail post. Following that they mated up pretty well. The file acted like a straight edge between the mating surfaces and removed the same amount of material from both sides at the same time. I was not at all satisfied with the mating of the surfaces following the first set of cuts and was forced to devise a method that would provide a straighter consistent angle to glue. Just a little trick improved the cuts to match up better and with less guess work in the trial and error category of experience. John Recine http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Tail Post
Date: Aug 02, 2007
From: Steve Eldredge <steve(at)byu.edu>
I simply used one piece of wood for the tail post. Glued it in when I brought the sides together. I remember using 8" wood clamps on the top and bottom longerons to draw them together. The wood clamps are infinitely adjustable at any angle. Making two tailposts line up seems like lots of extra work. Steve E. From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:03 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail Post Not to much different than the way I did it, however when I brought the joint together they needed additional adjustment and fine tuning. I lightly clamped a file between both halves and by filing between the two mating surfaces I was able to create a matched joint at the top and bottom of the tail post. Following that they mated up pretty well. The file acted like a straight edge between the mating surfaces and removed the same amount of material from both sides at the same time. I was not at all satisfied with the mating of the surfaces following the first set of cuts and was forced to devise a method that would provide a straighter consistent angle to glue. Just a little trick improved the cuts to match up better and with less guess work in the trial and error category of experience. John Recine ________________________________ <http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982> . ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 02, 2007
Subject: Re: Tail Post
From: "Ryan Michals" <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com>
Great idea. ------Original Message------ From: <AMsafetyC(at)aol.com> Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2007 02:02 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail Post Not to much different than the way I did it, however when I brought the joint together they needed additional adjustment and fine tuning. I lightly clamped a file between both halves and by filing between the two mating surfaces I was able to create a matched joint at the top and bottom of the tail post. Following that they mated up pretty well. The file acted like a straight edge between the mating surfaces and removed the same amount of material from both sides at the same time. I was not at all satisfied with the mating of the surfaces following the first set of cuts and was forced to devise a method that would provide a straighter consistent angle to glue. Just a little trick improved the cuts to match up better and with less guess work in the trial and error category of experience. John Recine http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Magnetic Rib Clamping
From: "kb2qqm" <kb2qqm(at)mac.com>
Date: Aug 02, 2007
I was at Airventure this year, and was watching a gentleman make a wooden rib. I have seen allot of others building ribs and then using all sorts of clamps to hold the gussets in place while glueing. Like intricate clamps to pvc pipe...to all sorts of clamping devices. The gentleman I spoke to said I might try using countersunk Neodyium magnets that sandwich the gussets and joints to be glued together, so I ordered some today. I plan on countersinking them into my Rib plans board, flush with the top.. I finished my rib board yesterday,but will have to redoo it once the magnets arrive. Has anyone else done this..? I want to spend more time building ribs rather than clamping devices. Here is the link, I found them at.. I only bought the 3 lb pull, but might have to get a heavier ones. http://www.rare-earth-magnets.com/SearchResult-CategoryID-33.html Greg Heath Racine, WI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127200#127200 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wing_jig_pietenpol_967_207.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 02, 2007
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Magnetic Rib Clamping
Greg, Please post your set-up and how it works for the rest of the list members...take many photos. Ken H Fargo, ND kb2qqm wrote: I was at Airventure this year, and was watching a gentleman make a wooden rib. I have seen allot of others building ribs and then using all sorts of clamps to hold the gussets in place while glueing. Like intricate clamps to pvc pipe...to all sorts of clamping devices. The gentleman I spoke to said I might try using countersunk Neodyium magnets that sandwich the gussets and joints to be glued together, so I ordered some today. I plan on countersinking them into my Rib plans board, flush with the top.. I finished my rib board yesterday,but will have to redoo it once the magnets arrive. Has anyone else done this..? I want to spend more time building ribs rather than clamping devices. Here is the link, I found them at.. I only bought the 3 lb pull, but might have to get a heavier ones. http://www.rare-earth-magnets.com/SearchResult-CategoryID-33.html Greg Heath Racine, WI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127200#127200 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wing_jig_pietenpol_967_207.jpg Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Moving a project
Date: Aug 02, 2007
We used a converted boat trailer. Worked fine, but the wheels were so far back we almost had a mishap when we tried to load the plane engine first. Dick came up with the idea for the A-frame for the wings, that worked really well. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Navratil Thanks to some great helpers at Brodhead, we assembled my Piet out of the trailer, in just over an hour, including the tail. My tail was also too wide to go in. I built a carpeted pallet to hold it. I padded the walls and stood wings up, leading edge down. Make sure there are plenty of places to tie off to. Maybe Skip Gadd can weigh in on trailing across country with a flat bed trailer, he did that last year. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Gow I've made a deal on a project in New Mexico. Now I need to get it to the big town of Midland Ontario. I thought perhaps I could ride my motorcycle and bring them both back in a Uhaul but a Piet is is quit long. (200 inches including mount by the plans) and would require a huge truck. Any clever ideas? Does any one know what a container might cost? Bob ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Cabanes at Brodhead
Date: Aug 03, 2007
Shipped Yesterday - UPS ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Abramson To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:30 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead I will buy a set, but I will not be at Broadhead. Can you ship? Cheers, Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry Davis Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 3:04 PM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead Does anyone need any aluminum cabane strut material? We have a few sets I can sell for $20 for 4 Pieces. These are 28" long and 3" wide. They take a 1" square insert. I hope the pictures come through, but can email you direct if they don't. Barry Davis I WILL BRING TO BRODHEAD IF YOU LET ME KNOW BRFORE NOON ON THURSDAY - EST. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 03, 2007
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tail Post
I used a similar idea, I cemented sheets of sandpaper to both sides of a 1x2 foot piece if 1/4" plywood. Pull the sides together with the plywood in between the tail end and sand both sides at once until they match up. Rick On 8/2/07, AMsafetyC(at)aol.com wrote: > > Not to much different than the way I did it, however when I brought the > joint together they needed additional adjustment and fine tuning. I lightly > clamped a file between both halves and by filing between the two mating > surfaces I was able to create a matched joint at the top and bottom of the > tail post. Following that they mated up pretty well. The file acted like a > straight edge between the mating surfaces and removed the same amount of > material from both sides at the same time. > > I was not at all satisfied with the mating of the surfaces following the > first set of cuts and was forced to devise a method that would provide a > straighter consistent angle to glue. Just a little trick improved the cuts > to match up better and with less guess work in the trial and error category > of experience. > > John Recine > > > ------------------------------ > . > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Dick N's cool Piet
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 03, 2007
He's really doing a nice job on that Piet... It's nice to be in the same EAA chapter (25, at Lakeville, MN) as Dick, as well as a couple other Pietenpol guys there. When I finish my current project, I'd like to build a Piet next. Already have the plans... :) Patrick 601XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127423#127423 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 04, 2007
From: del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Dick N's cool Piet
Patrick Sorry I dropped the ball on the crankshaft work, This new business I have is consuming all of my thoughts and time. I have a partially finished piet...and would like a local partner in it. Maybe when life slows down here...we can get together and have some fun with it. Del PatrickW wrote: He's really doing a nice job on that Piet... It's nice to be in the same EAA chapter (25, at Lakeville, MN) as Dick, as well as a couple other Pietenpol guys there. When I finish my current project, I'd like to build a Piet next. Already have the plans... :) Patrick 601XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127423#127423 Del-New Richmond, Wi "farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com" --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 04, 2007
Subject: Re: Dick N's cool Piet
From: "Ryan Michals" <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com>
Where are you located Dell? ------Original Message------ From: del magsam <farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com> Date: Sat, Aug 4, 2007 07:12 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dick N's cool Piet Patrick Sorry I dropped the ball on the crankshaft work, This new business I have is consuming all of my thoughts and time. I have a partially finished piet..and would like a local partner in it. Maybe when life slows down here...we can get together and have some fun with it. Del PatrickW wrote: He's really doing a nice job on that Piet... It's nice to be in the same EAA chapter (25, at Lakeville, MN) as Dick, as well as a couple other Pietenpol guys there. When I finish my current project, I'd like to build a Piet next. Already have the plans... :) Patrick 601XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127423#127423 Del-New Richmond, Wi "farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com" --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 04, 2007
Subject: Re: tail wheels
In a message dated 8/1/2007 9:55:27 AM Central Daylight Time, douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net writes: Hi guys, Looks like I'm going to have to put a tailwheel on my skid assembly for asphalt. Wanted your input on what's worked and what HASNT. I've heard, and it makes sense that a tailwheel adds twisting loads to the stock design that it wasn't intended for. yet at Brodhead, I didn't see many assemblies that seemed modified and yet they were in one piece. If you did modify the assembly, what did you do? Also, will a 3" wheel work on grass or is it too small? I'm thinking of building one up myself Douwe Douwe, I have a 'Short Fuselage' with the shorter of the two types of skids. I started out (during '02 & '03) with a tail skid, which works great as long as you are using it exclusively on turf. Not much control with the skid on the hard surface, and it sounds like you're dragging a pop machine across the concrete !! I tried a nylon roller at the aft edge of the skid, but that only worked for a couple of days. I finally added a 3 1/2" tailwheel, but I added it to the aft edge of the skid, in order to keep the tail as low as possible, and to reduce the twisting loads on the swingarm. Even with the loads incurred while spinning the tail around and around with the smoke on, the swingarm has held up just fine, because twisting load is reduced because of the position of the wheel. However, I have to use differential braking to get it to do a tight turn in the grass, because of the small 3 1/2" diameter tailwheel. Here is a picture : _http://nx770cg.com/Unique.html_ (http://nx770cg.com/Unique.html) Chuck G. NX770CG http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 04, 2007
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: tail wheels
I would say PUT A STEERABLE TAILWHEEL ON! We have a 3 inch NON-STEERABLE on dad's and believe me it puts much more stress on the structure than it would if it swiveled.(spelling?) We use tailskid technique when manuvering on the ground, Down elevator and goose the throttle with the rudder and brake over and locked. It is fun when you get the hang of it, but the novilty wears off the first time you go to another airport and have to shut down, unstrap and climb out to get the airplane off the damn runway, because you decided too late to go to the next taxiway turn off. This has happened to me only twice in about 30 hrs of flying 92GB but it could get ugly if a student pilot came in close behind you in a Cessnna 150 with 40 degrees of flaps and had to try a go around. We will eventually put a steerable wheel on 92GB, but we have bigger fish to fry untill we get this Corvair running. Shad p.s. Is anyone going to MERFI?, IF and I mean IF we get all the parts back for the engine in time, we plan on flying up this year. --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Stinemetze" <tstinemetze(at)cox.net>
Subject: Corvair cowling
Date: Aug 05, 2007
Listers: Has anyone come up with sample photos of Corvair engine cowls? Most everything I have seen is for a Corvair with the blower on top, i.e. there is a large air intake opening on the top. I am trying to design a cowling for a William Wynn conversion but don't like the boxy designs I have seen so far. Tom Stinemetze ____ | ____ \8/ / \ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 05, 2007
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Corvair cowling = Use a SCOOP
Tom, A top scoop can either divert cool air onto Corvair oil coolers or onto the mags of Continental A-65s, which run cool. More drag, too, of course. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Tom Stinemetze <tstinemetze(at)cox.net> >Sent: Aug 5, 2007 2:22 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair cowling > >Listers: > >Has anyone come up with sample photos of Corvair engine cowls? Most >everything I have seen is for a Corvair with the blower on top, i.e. >there is a large air intake opening on the top. I am trying to design a >cowling for a William Wynn conversion but don't like the boxy designs I >have seen so far. > >Tom Stinemetze > >____ | ____ > \8/ > / \ > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lynn Knoll" <dknoll(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Corvair cowling
Date: Aug 05, 2007
MessageTom, Hans VanderVoort has an award winning Piet/Vair with a J-3 style cowling. Check it out at http://hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/index ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Stinemetze To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair cowling Listers: Has anyone come up with sample photos of Corvair engine cowls? Most everything I have seen is for a Corvair with the blower on top, i.e. there is a large air intake opening on the top. I am trying to design a cowling for a William Wynn conversion but don't like the boxy designs I have seen so far. Tom Stinemetze ____ | ____ \8/ / \ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Yep, another wing question..
From: "kb2qqm" <kb2qqm(at)mac.com>
Date: Aug 05, 2007
I have been searching the archives on the 3/4" versus the 1 " spar. I purchased the plans, from DP about a month ago. I got all the plans. I also got the rib template-full size with the 1" spars. I see some people are building the wing with the 3/4" spars.. (Why other than weight ?) I mounted the full size rib template, but then read on the list of the rib template differing. The new version with the 3/4" spar. Is building from the Full size rib template not a good idea? Is it accurate? I am thinking that building with the 1" spars I will have to route them. The 3/4 spars I wont ? Are the differences just a weight issue? I guess I am kind of confused between the 2 different sizes, and how it relates to the 3 piece wing I am planning to build. Comments, accusations, suggestions..welcome. Greg [Rolling Eyes] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127655#127655 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New to group...here's my delima
From: "zaggy" <eahs.execdir(at)interbaun.com>
Date: Aug 05, 2007
Hi everyone, new to the group and seeking some advice from those that have built and are flying. 2009 is the 100th anniversary fo flight in Canada. There is a coast to coast tour of "Antique and Vintage" aircraft that will fly from Comox, British Columbia to Baddeck, Nova Scotia (the home of the first flight in Canada)through the summer of 2009. The tour is stopping at every museum that is a member of the "Canadian Aeronautical Preservation Association"(including our museum. I've decided I would like to take part in the full tour with my daughter, seems to me it's one of those "life" moments and I would like to take advantage of it. The problem....what to build to fly in it? -The engine I have, built it for an aircraft I was partners in, partner had an accident, 1.6L 100hp and it's a known quantity. Swings a 70" 3 blade prop to 2750rpm no sweat. Reliable with a little over 100hrs on it. -Airframe? 2 full size adult seating(I'm 6"2", 220lbs) with dual controls Small amount of baggage (couple overnight bags) 100mph cruise Handle off field landings well 3-400 mile range plus 1hr reserve Easy to build Vintage look Top of my list, that I have done a pile of resarch on: - Heavily cleaned up Pietenpol (raised turtle deck, fairings every where, tight cowl, wheel pants) Thinking of the Riblett airfoil - 2 seat version of the Fly Baby (Plans now availabile) (cleaned up raised deck, wheel pants etc) I have access to full metal and wood working tools and a few experienced types to help out. Thoughts, suggestions? Tom H Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127656#127656 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 05, 2007
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Yep, another wing question..
Weight is one issue. Cost is another. Ease of fabrication is the last. They will all work. One inch spars routed out save about 16 pounds total span, as I recall reading, compared to the full 1-inch spars. That's a lot on a Piet. The 3/4 inch spars and the routed 1-inch spars are both strong enough for the Piet and its applications-- no rolls, loops, or spins. Thus the one inch spar is just extra weight. The 3/4 inch spars are cheaper than the 1-inch, and easier to fabricate and assemble than the 1-inch routed spars. The 1-inch routed spars are likely stronger than the 3/4 inch solid spars, but you are paying a premium in cost and time to achieve them. I think those are the considerations. More knowledgable people should pile on. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: kb2qqm <kb2qqm(at)mac.com> >Sent: Aug 5, 2007 10:58 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Yep, another wing question.. > > >I have been searching the archives on the 3/4" versus the 1 " spar. > >I purchased the plans, from DP about a month ago. > >I got all the plans. I also got the rib template-full size with the 1" spars. > >I see some people are building the wing with the 3/4" spars.. (Why other than weight ?) > >I mounted the full size rib template, but then read on the list of the rib template differing. The new version with the 3/4" spar. > >Is building from the Full size rib template not a good idea? > >Is it accurate? > >I am thinking that building with the 1" spars I will have to route them. > >The 3/4 spars I wont ? Are the differences just a weight issue? > >I guess I am kind of confused between the 2 different sizes, and how it relates to the 3 piece wing I am planning to build. > >Comments, accusations, suggestions..welcome. > >Greg > > > [Rolling Eyes] > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127655#127655 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New to group...here's my delima
From: "kb2qqm" <kb2qqm(at)mac.com>
Date: Aug 05, 2007
Pietenpol or my second choice.. Either the Hatz or the Kelly-D http://www.weebeastie.com/hatzcb1/ Greg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127663#127663 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 05, 2007
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: New to group...here's my delima
Zaggy, I have been to Bell's museum in Baddeck and am familiar with his "Arrow" series, the first Canadian planes. Good for you for stepping up to a transcontinental challenge-- 5 time zones, even. I don't have good answers, but some more questions and considerations: Have many people built the 2-place Flybaby? The Piet has a rich history, in contrast. You will find both tight with your size, but not impossible in a Piet. How about the 2-pace Flybaby... they look tiny? Re the Piet, are you thinking of putting the light bags in an enlarged turtledeck? That's the wrong place to move weight in a Piet, for CG reasons, but... you are not that heavy, and your engine weight sounds like it's more than usual for aircraft? Others will have to tell you if you can get 100 mph cruising speed in a Piet, with your engine, with Riblett foils and mucho fairings, pants, etc. Others have reported doing 85 or more in Piets, but getting tossed around a lot at those speeds. [I'd like to hear discussion on this.] With more than usual power and streamlining, and a cleaner wing, that's an interesting proposition. At 5 gallons an hour, you are talking as much as 22 gallons for your requirements. That likely means 2 tanks in the Piet-- both fuze and wing. Some may have bigger fuze tanks that allow 22 gallons. (My project allows full passenger knee room, but is maxed out at 18 gallons.) A few inches might help. If not, there goes your upper baggage space in the wing. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: zaggy <eahs.execdir(at)interbaun.com> >Sent: Aug 5, 2007 11:00 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: New to group...here's my delima > > >Hi everyone, new to the group and seeking some advice from those that have built and are flying. > >2009 is the 100th anniversary fo flight in Canada. > >There is a coast to coast tour of "Antique and Vintage" aircraft that will fly from Comox, British Columbia to Baddeck, Nova Scotia (the home of the first flight in Canada)through the summer of 2009. The tour is stopping at every museum that is a member of the "Canadian Aeronautical Preservation Association"(including our museum. > >I've decided I would like to take part in the full tour with my daughter, seems to me it's one of those "life" moments and I would like to take advantage of it. > >The problem....what to build to fly in it? > >-The engine I have, built it for an aircraft I was partners in, partner had an accident, 1.6L 100hp and it's a known quantity. Swings a 70" 3 blade prop to 2750rpm no sweat. Reliable with a little over 100hrs on it. > >-Airframe? > 2 full size adult seating(I'm 6"2", 220lbs) with dual controls > Small amount of baggage (couple overnight bags) > 100mph cruise > Handle off field landings well > 3-400 mile range plus 1hr reserve > Easy to build > Vintage look > >Top of my list, that I have done a pile of resarch on: >- Heavily cleaned up Pietenpol > (raised turtle deck, fairings every where, tight cowl, wheel pants) > Thinking of the Riblett airfoil > >- 2 seat version of the Fly Baby (Plans now availabile) > (cleaned up raised deck, wheel pants etc) > >I have access to full metal and wood working tools and a few experienced types to help out. > >Thoughts, suggestions? > >Tom H > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127656#127656 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Corvair cowling
Date: Aug 06, 2007
If you don't mind using a spinner and like the pointy nose look, you can build a cowling like William Wynne had on his Piet very easily. Only the top part and nose bowl are curved (fiberglass layup; easy)- the rest is flat pieces with bends or piano hinges. And you don't have to make your own spinner; you can buy one from William. Pictures here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/WWPiet.html Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more.then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&ss=yp.bars~yp.pizza~yp.movie%20theater&cp=42.358996~-71.056691&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene-0607&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: cruising at 100 MPH
Date: Aug 06, 2007
Before I flew a Piet I used to read posts from those who did have flight experience, telling how the Piet "feels" best cruising something like 65-80 MPH. I couldn't imagine or visualize the issue with cruising at speeds higher than that. Now that I have one I can fly, I know what that means. I've had 41CC to redline airspeed (95 MPH or thereabouts) a couple of times. It doesn't feel unsafe, it doesn't feel squirrelly, but it doesn't feel like it wants to be there, either. I can't imagine cruising it at 100 MPH, aerodynamic cleanup or not, and I doubt that you'd be happy trying to operate it there. Before you jump into a Piet project thinking you'll make a "Super Piet" that will go faster and carry more than a stock Piet, take a ride in one. Better yet, see if you can get some instruction or stick time in one, not just around the pattern but on a short x-c hop (20 mi. will be enough). Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: cruising at 100 MPH
Date: Aug 06, 2007
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
Well put, Oscar. I would be very concerned with trying to cruise at 100 mph in a Pietenpol. The design is so inherently "draggy" that I would expect it to require in excess of 150 hp to get it to that kind of speed. A Pietenpol does not have significantly less drag than most biplanes, and few of them will cruise over 100 mph with less than 150 hp. Nor will a Super Cub. A bigger engine means more weight, and a bigger gas tank (again more weight) and this change leads to that change, etc., etc. The design of the wing is such that the drag wires will see large loads at speeds over 100 mph. Most planes have their drag wires and anti-drag wires arranged so that the angle between the drag wires and the spars is approximately 45 degrees. The Pietenpol has exceptionally long bays between the compression struts and the angle between the wires and the spars is closer to 25 degrees (I don't have my plans handy to verify the exact angle). That causes two problems - because the bays are long, each drag wire is carrying the drag of a longer section of spar, and because the angle is shallow, the tensile load on the wire is increased. Maybe the Riblett design has a different arangement of the drag/anti-drag wires. I haven't seen the design of that wing. I agree with your comments about speed in the Piet, Oscar. I've had mine over 90 a couple of times and while it wasn't unsafe, the plane just didn't feel right at that speed. And with the way a Pietenpol bounces around in turbulence, I would not be comfortable flying it that fast in rough air, even if I had an engine that could drag it through the air at those speeds. I would be curious to see what kind of fairings and cowlings could be added to streamline a Piet. All the external bracing wires would have to be made of streamlined wire, of course, or replaced with streamlined struts. A bubble canopy would help, as well as a fully cowled engine. In the end, I think you would have more of a Pober Super Ace or a Bakeng Duece. Jack Phillips Enjoying "Low and Slow" in my Pietenpol If I want to fly High and Fast, I take the RV4 -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:10 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: cruising at 100 MPH --> Before I flew a Piet I used to read posts from those who did have flight experience, telling how the Piet "feels" best cruising something like 65-80 MPH. I couldn't imagine or visualize the issue with cruising at speeds higher than that. Now that I have one I can fly, I know what that means. I've had 41CC to redline airspeed (95 MPH or thereabouts) a couple of times. It doesn't feel unsafe, it doesn't feel squirrelly, but it doesn't feel like it wants to be there, either. I can't imagine cruising it at 100 MPH, aerodynamic cleanup or not, and I doubt that you'd be happy trying to operate it there. Before you jump into a Piet project thinking you'll make a "Super Piet" that will go faster and carry more than a stock Piet, take a ride in one. Better yet, see if you can get some instruction or stick time in one, not just around the pattern but on a short x-c hop (20 mi. will be enough). Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us _________________________________________________ or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: New to group...here's my delima
Date: Aug 06, 2007
Building anything in that amount of time is incredibly ambitious. A Pietenpol is a a very good airplane for the vintage look (and a great airplane to boot). It is a simple aircraft to build, but time consuming. I would not plan on using that engine on it, however, or on "cleaning it up", you'll only add weight for no increase in performance. It would meet most of your needs, but if you are 220#, your pax had better be slight. Also, no room for baggage in a Piet. For speed of build, I'd look to a parasol wing aircraft with a steel tube fuselage, some thing like a Bakeing Deuce (sp?) with a 65 hp Continental. That would carry two with baggage, and can be made to have more of a vintage look. Also speeds up certification time to have a certified engine and prop. Something like a Hatz would be great, but the biplane adds expense and time. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: zaggy<mailto:eahs.execdir(at)interbaun.com> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 11:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New to group...here's my delima > Hi everyone, new to the group and seeking some advice from those that have built and are flying. 2009 is the 100th anniversary fo flight in Canada. There is a coast to coast tour of "Antique and Vintage" aircraft that will fly from Comox, British Columbia to Baddeck, Nova Scotia (the home of the first flight in Canada)through the summer of 2009. The tour is stopping at every museum that is a member of the "Canadian Aeronautical Preservation Association"(including our museum. I've decided I would like to take part in the full tour with my daughter, seems to me it's one of those "life" moments and I would like to take advantage of it. The problem....what to build to fly in it? -The engine I have, built it for an aircraft I was partners in, partner had an accident, 1.6L 100hp and it's a known quantity. Swings a 70" 3 blade prop to 2750rpm no sweat. Reliable with a little over 100hrs on it. -Airframe? 2 full size adult seating(I'm 6"2", 220lbs) with dual controls Small amount of baggage (couple overnight bags) 100mph cruise Handle off field landings well 3-400 mile range plus 1hr reserve Easy to build Vintage look Top of my list, that I have done a pile of resarch on: - Heavily cleaned up Pietenpol (raised turtle deck, fairings every where, tight cowl, wheel pants) Thinking of the Riblett airfoil - 2 seat version of the Fly Baby (Plans now availabile) (cleaned up raised deck, wheel pants etc) I have access to full metal and wood working tools and a few experienced types to help out. Thoughts, suggestions? Tom H Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127656#127656 matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127656#127656> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Yep, another wing question..
From: "kb2qqm" <kb2qqm(at)mac.com>
Date: Aug 06, 2007
thanks for the input. I have checked my plans book and sheets and all I see are drawings for a 1 inch spar. The full size rib plan also has the 1" spar. Are there specific drawings/plans for the 3/4" spars ? Am I missing a plan sheet ? I have the full size rib template mounted under plexi-glass, and dread re-doing it, but if there is a drawing for it, it would be easier to re-do the jig now, and save gobs of time later. I also saw the idea for the 1/16" rib gussets fabricated out of 2 & 1/2" circles cut in half. Instead of the individual pre-cut gussets. Which would save allot of time, except for the few that are needed cut to size around the spars. A question on the wood for the gussets. I see the aircraft plywood at Aircraft Spruce. Cha-Ching ! $100+ something dollars.. Is it possible to use marine grade plywood, or something cheaper in price but with the same strength? What are my options? I definately want quality, as I don't want to hear "crack" at 2000 AGL. Greg [Shocked] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127710#127710 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Magnetic Rib Clamping
From: "kb2qqm" <kb2qqm(at)mac.com>
Date: Aug 06, 2007
I drilled out (countersunk) and mounted the 1/2" magnets on the rib template yesterday. I should have purchased the bigger size magnets, the ones with the one inch radius. I found out that a 1/2" magnet only starts pulling strongly at 1/4 " height. The 1" magnets (6 pound pull) would start pulling harder at about 1/2" ( my guess). It's not a total loss though. I did learn something. I also learned that those magnets are very very brittle. Screwing them down to the board, I broke 6 of them. I will post some of my pics soon. Greg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127712#127712 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: thanks for tailwheel suggestions
Date: Aug 06, 2007
Thanks all for your tailwheel suggestions. As always I appreciate you guys stopping to take the time and response. It's what makes this group so great. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New to group...here's my delima
From: "zaggy" <eahs.execdir(at)interbaun.com>
Date: Aug 06, 2007
Thanks so much for the input. Having read everything I can I am at the point where I need the real world experience before cutting wood. I am concerned on build time, but have several experienced friends diving in to help me...but still need to keep it simple. kb2qqm...Hatz is a nice plane but the build time is too much for the time availabile. Timothy...There are a bunch of the 2 seat Fly Babies out there, both home engineered and from the latest generatioin of plans (Helve). From what I have read, pilot report from Ron Wannatja in Kit plane) rear cockpit room is ok (he is a larger sort). Engine weight is well under C-85 and 0-200 with full electrics in the same configuration...I have weighed them both. (wet, complete with mount) Fuel Burn is a solid 4 gallon per hour, but yes I am concerned about how far both designs can be used to fill the need. Daughter is currenty 15 (almost has her Canadian Ultra Light licence which is similar to the USA LSA licence) she will be 17 in 2009 and expect 5'9" ish...140lbs. Thanks again all for your input Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127720#127720 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 06, 2007
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: cruising at 100 MPH
I am glad to see Jack and Oscar speak to the 100 mph cruising speed objective. From other posts re the Riblett airfoil, it seems possible to pick up 10 mph gain in cruise with that alone, but every other change to gain speed will be a stretch, because of the inherently draggy design. Using an A-65, most likely you might see 85 mph "comfortable cruise" instead of a comparable 75 mph cruise. Adding more hp might not make much more difference, either, as both Oscar and Jack point out. If you will be flying with antiques and vintage aircraft, what is wrong with a slower cruising speed? Some of the flock must have slower cruising speeds than the Piet, and a convoy moves at the speed of its slowest element. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com> >Sent: Aug 6, 2007 8:39 AM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cruising at 100 MPH > > >Well put, Oscar. > >I would be very concerned with trying to cruise at 100 mph in a >Pietenpol. The design is so inherently "draggy" that I would expect it >to require in excess of 150 hp to get it to that kind of speed. A >Pietenpol does not have significantly less drag than most biplanes, and >few of them will cruise over 100 mph with less than 150 hp. Nor will a >Super Cub. A bigger engine means more weight, and a bigger gas tank >(again more weight) and this change leads to that change, etc., etc. > >The design of the wing is such that the drag wires will see large loads >at speeds over 100 mph. Most planes have their drag wires and anti-drag >wires arranged so that the angle between the drag wires and the spars is >approximately 45 degrees. The Pietenpol has exceptionally long bays >between the compression struts and the angle between the wires and the >spars is closer to 25 degrees (I don't have my plans handy to verify the >exact angle). That causes two problems - because the bays are long, >each drag wire is carrying the drag of a longer section of spar, and >because the angle is shallow, the tensile load on the wire is increased. >Maybe the Riblett design has a different arangement of the >drag/anti-drag wires. I haven't seen the design of that wing. > >I agree with your comments about speed in the Piet, Oscar. I've had >mine over 90 a couple of times and while it wasn't unsafe, the plane >just didn't feel right at that speed. And with the way a Pietenpol >bounces around in turbulence, I would not be comfortable flying it that >fast in rough air, even if I had an engine that could drag it through >the air at those speeds. > >I would be curious to see what kind of fairings and cowlings could be >added to streamline a Piet. All the external bracing wires would have >to be made of streamlined wire, of course, or replaced with streamlined >struts. A bubble canopy would help, as well as a fully cowled engine. >In the end, I think you would have more of a Pober Super Ace or a Bakeng >Duece. > >Jack Phillips >Enjoying "Low and Slow" in my Pietenpol >If I want to fly High and Fast, I take the RV4 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar >Zuniga >Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:10 AM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: cruising at 100 MPH > >--> > >Before I flew a Piet I used to read posts from those who did have flight >experience, telling how the Piet "feels" best cruising something like >65-80 MPH. I couldn't imagine or visualize the issue with cruising at >speeds higher than that. Now that I have one I can fly, I know what >that means. > >I've had 41CC to redline airspeed (95 MPH or thereabouts) a couple of >times. > It doesn't feel unsafe, it doesn't feel squirrelly, but it doesn't >feel like it wants to be there, either. I can't imagine cruising it at >100 MPH, aerodynamic cleanup or not, and I doubt that you'd be happy >trying to operate it there. > >Before you jump into a Piet project thinking you'll make a "Super Piet" >that will go faster and carry more than a stock Piet, take a ride in

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