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February 29, 2008 - March 23, 2008
Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-gn
February 29, 2008 - March 23, 2008
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From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: food for thought
Date: Feb 29, 2008
This may be of help:
http://www.frappr.com/pietenpol
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: food for thought
As many of you know from reading the posts of myself and our
Ambassador Jim Markel, many of us have to travel for the unenviable goal
of earning a living. For anyone engaged in such activities it is a known
fact that there is no glamour, excitement or intense desire to live in a
hotel room rather than work on our own builds.
The more interesting alternative to dinner by ones self and an evening
of work is to visit another builder chat and consume some type of
appropriate beverage adult or not over a smack or even pitchers and
pizza, as I have heard has been done on an occasion or 2.
Thus I am proposing that those interested in opening up their hangars,
garages, basements, shops or home for a Pietenpol visitor
Place their name and contact information on a list as to allow an
inbound visitor to make contact to discuss projects , methods and to
share a few hours with a brother builder. Obviously the list is
voluntary so anyone not interested need not participate anyone is
welcome to participate in the sharing without obligation I or we just
thought it would be good to have such a list the a weary traveler may
use to make contact while in the area.
I would be interested in hearing your thoughts and suggestions on how
to accomplish that task.
John Recine
Lititz PA
The consummate newbee builder,always something I can learn !
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Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL
Living.
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Date: Feb 29, 2008
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Please come visit!!!
Hello Piet'ers
I am inviting one and all to come visit me at Chapman Memorial Airport. We can
go get breakfast, lunch or dinner, or stay a while and drink a cold beer or
two, or three, or four. My hanger/ shop is open to all who are interested in
homebuilts, airplanes ( with free camping), piets airplanes of all types. I
have been here for 2 years and have yet to have a visitor at the home strip, (Skipp
tried but weather was bad!) I look forward to meeting all the homebuilders,
pilots no matter what type of aircraft they fly. So if any of you would
like to stop by when spring gets here don't hesitate to drop in. I am in the
process of building a Jungster 1 all wood biplane and can use all the critisisim
I can get. I have looked forward to having an airport at my house my whole
life, and at age 29 (almost 30) I feel as I have cheated somewhere to have this
at the early years in life. I want to enjoy it while it lasts, before rich
a## hol@! complain about noise, and there golf
game. To Don Emch, Mike Cuy and all the other Ohio area piets, LETS GET TOGEATHER
THIS YEAR AND FLY TOGEATHER! I will fly up there or where ever to have some
fun in the sun. Mike; I can fly up there and meet you at Columbia and we'll
go straffe Don up near Youngstown, It is so much fun to fly in numbers, especially
in a 1929 Pietinpol Aircamper. So if any of you Ohio Pieter's want to
do some fly'in let me know, I am itchin to go, and ready for some formation
fly'in just like the RV guys (although not as fast or as arogent).
Anxiously awaiting spring,
Shad
NX92GB
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Date: Feb 29, 2008
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Dallas/ Ft Worth Pietenpol'ers
Fellow Pietenpol'ers,
I am going to be in Dallas the week of March 17-20. If possible I would like
to meet up with any of the Texas Piet'ers in the Dallas /Ft Worth Area. I will
Get down there Monday the 17th after noon or so,and would love to get togeather
with any of the fellow piet builders or flyers. My job is sending me down
for the Aviation Maintenence Expo at the Dallas Convention Center the wek of
March 17. If there are any takers let me know, I would love to meet some fellow
Pieters in the Lone Star State.
Shad Bell
NX92GB
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Subject: Re: food for thought
From: "=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Date: Mar 01, 2008
Glenn
Since I am an ideas man and you have a site I welcome your offer to link and host
our flegling band of itenerate builders. We have to keep in mind that all builders
are not interested in being visited so the list you put on the site may
include all Piet builders, owners etc but the ones that are interested in the
visiting aspect our Amdassadors must be identified.
I would really not want to contact an un willing or disinterested builder.
I find willing people are the most enjoyable to be around. Some folks are just
not interesred in sharing and hanging out with others and we need to respect that
choice.
For me sign me up I love it
John Recine
635 South Broad street
Lititz, PA 17543
AmsafetyC(at)aol.com
Cell 215-208-8309
Thanks all for your support and thanks Glenn for hosting
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:25:46
To:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: food for thought
I'm all for that. It could be easily be added to the builder's directory on my
sitewhich I am going to fix once and for all tonight or sometime this weekend.
Should I do it? All I have to do is add a check box (contact for visits). I almost
met Jim Markle when he was in Boston once. The scheduling didn't work out
but would have been fun.
I know what you mean by traveling, eating alone, working in the hotel, etc. Good
to break that chain with a Pietenpol meetup. ...which is likely the way we're
scattered pretty randomly.
On 2/29/08, AMsafetyC(at)aol.com > wrote:
As many of you know from reading the posts of myself and our Ambassador Jim Markel,
many of us have to travel for the unenviable goal of earning a living. For
anyone engaged in such activities it is a known fact that there is no glamour,
excitement or intense desire to live in a hotel room rather than work on our
own builds.
The more interesting alternative to dinner by ones self and an evening of work
is to visit another builder chat and consume some type of appropriate beverage
adult or not over a smack or even pitchers and pizza, as I have heard has been
done on an occasion or 2.
Thus I am proposing that those interested in opening up their hangars, garages,
basements, shops or home for a Pietenpol visitor
Place their name and contact information on a list as to allow an inbound visitor
to make contact to discuss projects , methods and to share a few hours with
a brother builder. Obviously the list is voluntary so anyone not interested need
not participate anyone is welcome to participate in the sharing without obligation
I or we just thought it would be good to have such a list the a weary
traveler may use to make contact while in the area.
I would be interested in hearing your thoughts and suggestions on how to accomplish
that task.
John Recine
Lititz PA
The consummatenewbee builder,always something I can learn !
----------------
Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. <http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598>
--
Glenn Thomas
Storrs, CT
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Subject: Re: Please come visit!!!
From: "=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Date: Mar 01, 2008
Great stuff Shad
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:53:30
To:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Please come visit!!!
Hello Piet'ers
I am inviting one and all to come visit me at Chapman Memorial Airport. We can
go get breakfast, lunch or dinner, or stay a while and drink a cold beer or two,
or three, or four. My hanger/ shop is open to all who are interested in homebuilts,
airplanes( with free camping), piets airplanes of all types. I have been
here for 2 years and have yet to have a visitor at the home strip, (Skipp
tried but weather was bad!) I look forward to meeting all the homebuilders, pilotsno
matter what type of aircraft they fly. So if any of you would like to stop
by when spring gets here don't hesitate to drop in. I am in the process of
building a Jungster 1 all wood biplane and can use all the critisisim I can get.
I have looked forward to having an airport at my house my whole life, and
at age 29 (almost 30) I feel as I have cheated somewhere to have this at the early
years in life. I want to enjoy it while it lasts, before rich a## hol@! complain
about noise, and there golf game. To Don Emch, Mike Cuy and all the other
Ohio area piets, LETS GET TOGEATHER THIS YEAR AND FLY TOGEATHER! I will fly
up there or where ever to have some fun in the sun. Mike; I can fly up there
and meet you at Columbia and we'll go straffe Don up near Youngstown, It is so
much fun to fly in numbers, especially in a 1929 Pietinpol Aircamper. So if
any of you Ohio Pieter's want to do some fly'in let me know, I am itchin to go,
and ready for some formation fly'in just like the RV guys (although not as fast
or as arogent).
Anxiously awaiting spring,
Shad
NX92GB
----------------
________________________________________________________________________________
From: <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: Design of Wood Aircraft Structures ANC-18
Date: Mar 01, 2008
Thanks to Greg Cardinal, I have posted a PDF copy of ANC-18, Design of Wood
Aircraft Structures, to my website. I have also included some pages from
ANC-19, Wood Aircraft Inspection and Fabrication.
http://westcoastpiet.com/construction.htm. Hopefully one day I can get a
PDF of the full ANC-19.
These pre-date and are more comprehensive then ANC-43-13. This is a must
read for anyone who is thinking about using alternative woods and
alternative spars. One thing to note, is that grain orientation is not for
strength but for dimensional stability (ANC-19, 2.401). Also, something that
doesn't get much press is the requirement for moisture content and specific
gravity. Choose your wood wisely and do your homework first.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com
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Date: Mar 01, 2008
From: FTLovley <ftlovley(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Wood nose cowl disc
In the original airplanes, Bernard used a wooden disc on the front of the cowling.
It was used to make the transition from the side cowls to the nose cowl used
on the Ford. The disc was fit loosely on the front of the engine, not bolted
tight. The sheet metal was NAILED to the wooden disc. This was common practice
in those days. Waco nailed their sheet metal on the early airplanes also.
Those airplanes were not meant to last long enough to have to take it apart.
It would be easy enough to make an aluminum bulkhead to join the aluminum
for the Ford cowl when building one today. However, the wood worked just fine
for the job it was asked to do.
Forrest Lovley
In a message dated 02/29/08 16:49:51 Central Standard Time, waltdak(at)verizon.net
writes:
I used the wooded disc on the nosebowl of my A65 to center the prop shaft to the
fwd cowl piece. And , after removed it.
If this is not the case for the Model A, I take it back. But can't imagine you'd
be flying with a piece of wood in the fwd cowling.
Anyone know?
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Pietsrneat(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood nose cowl disc
Just an observation: In the 1933 Flying Manual and the cutaway of the Scout (page
38), it shows the wooden disc as an integral part of the cowling. I'm wondering
why the Air Camper would be any different...
Ron
In a message dated 2/28/2008 6:48:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, waltdak(at)verizon.net
writes:
No the pine disc is used just to fabricate the cowling from the fuse forward to
the prop. then the pine disc goes away, to the box of "old airplane jigs" which
only brings memories in the future years.
walt evans
NX140DL
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Date: Mar 01, 2008
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Subject: Re: food for thought
There is already a builders' directory. I can just modify the profile you
fill out to include a "come visit me" checkbox. I have to add some site
security because the Viagra people seem to have taken over that directory.
On 3/1/08, John Recine wrote:
>
> AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
>
> Glenn
>
> Since I am an ideas man and you have a site I welcome your offer to link
> and host our flegling band of itenerate builders. We have to keep in mind
> that all builders are not interested in being visited so the list you put on
> the site may include all Piet builders, owners etc but the ones that are
> interested in the visiting aspect our Amdassadors must be identified.
>
> I would really not want to contact an un willing or disinterested builder.
> I find willing people are the most enjoyable to be around. Some folks are
> just not interesred in sharing and hanging out with others and we need to
> respect that choice.
>
> For me sign me up I love it
>
> John Recine
> 635 South Broad street
> Lititz, PA 17543
> AmsafetyC(at)aol.com
> Cell 215-208-8309
>
> Thanks all for your support and thanks Glenn for hosting
>
> John
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
>
> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:25:46
> To:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: food for thought
>
>
> I'm all for that. It could be easily be added to the builder's directory
> on my site which I am going to fix once and for all tonight or sometime this
> weekend. Should I do it? All I have to do is add a check box (contact for
> visits). I almost met Jim Markle when he was in Boston once. The
> scheduling didn't work out but would have been fun.
>
> I know what you mean by traveling, eating alone, working in the hotel,
> etc. Good to break that chain with a Pietenpol meetup. ...which is likely
> the way we're scattered pretty randomly.
>
> On 2/29/08, AMsafetyC(at)aol.com <
> AMsafetyC(at)aol.com > wrote:
>
>
> As many of you know from reading the posts of myself and our Ambassador
> Jim Markel, many of us have to travel for the unenviable goal of earning a
> living. For anyone engaged in such activities it is a known fact that there
> is no glamour, excitement or intense desire to live in a hotel room rather
> than work on our own builds.
>
> The more interesting alternative to dinner by ones self and an evening of
> work is to visit another builder chat and consume some type of appropriate
> beverage adult or not over a smack or even pitchers and pizza, as I have
> heard has been done on an occasion or 2.
>
> Thus I am proposing that those interested in opening up their hangars,
> garages, basements, shops or home for a Pietenpol visitor
>
> Place their name and contact information on a list as to allow an inbound
> visitor to make contact to discuss projects , methods and to share a few
> hours with a brother builder. Obviously the list is voluntary so anyone not
> interested need not participate anyone is welcome to participate in the
> sharing without obligation I or we just thought it would be good to have
> such a list the a weary traveler may use to make contact while in the area.
>
> I would be interested in hearing your thoughts and suggestions on how to
> accomplish that task.
>
> John Recine
>
> Lititz PA
>
> The consummate newbee builder,always something I can learn !
>
>
> ----------------
> Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL
> Living. <
> http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598
> >
>
>
> --
> Glenn Thomas
> Storrs, CT
>
>
--
Glenn Thomas
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
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Date: Mar 01, 2008
From: Owen Davies <owen5819(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Design of Wood Aircraft Structures ANC-18
catdesigns(at)att.net wrote:
> Thanks to Greg Cardinal, I have posted a PDF copy of ANC-18, Design of
> Wood Aircraft Structures, to my website. I have also included some
> pages from ANC-19, Wood Aircraft Inspection and Fabrication.
> http://westcoastpiet.com/construction.htm. Hopefully one day I can
> get a PDF of the full ANC-19.
Way to go, Greg and Cris! Thanks.
Owen
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: my contact info for Glenn's list
Date: Mar 01, 2008
Glenn,
Thanks for hosting the list, and john for thinking up the idea. I'd
suggest this be a list specifically for people who enjoy talking Piets,
or visitors.. seems to make sense.
Douwe Blumberg (pronounced Dow)
douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net
805 573 3564
3175 Hwy 467
DeMossville, KY 41033
Ford piet, 90% done visitors welcome
(just south of cincinatti, near little Gene Snyder airport)
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Subject: Re: my contact info for Glenn's list
From: "=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Date: Mar 01, 2008
Dow
I agree I just did not want to piss off the others. I agree we should be listed
as visitors and hosts seperate and distinct fro the all group. Its not for everyone!
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 11:27:17
To:"pietenpolgroup"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: my contact info for Glenn's list
Glenn,
Thanks for hosting the list, and john for thinking up the idea. I'd suggest this
be a list specifically for people who enjoy talking Piets, or visitors.. seems
to make sense.
Douwe Blumberg (pronounced Dow)
douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net
805 573 3564
3175 Hwy 467
DeMossville, KY 41033
Ford piet, 90% done visitors welcome
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 01, 2008
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Subject: Re: my contact info for Glenn's list
You must really be tired of hearing people call you Dewey! :)
I'll try and come up with something that makes it easy for users. Once I
get it done I'll solicit feedback and then finalize. ...but today is tail
feathers day. One has to keep their priorities straight. I should be able
to get something finished this weekend though.
Thanks
On 3/1/08, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
>
> Glenn,
>
> Thanks for hosting the list, and john for thinking up the idea. I'd
> suggest this be a list specifically for people who enjoy talking Piets, or
> visitors.. seems to make sense.
>
> Douwe Blumberg (pronounced Dow)
> douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net
> 805 573 3564
> 3175 Hwy 467
> DeMossville, KY 41033
> Ford piet, 90% done visitors welcome
> (just south of cincinatti, near little Gene Snyder airport)
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Glenn Thomas
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Quinn" <quinnj(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Another newbie looking for advise
Date: Mar 01, 2008
Hi Jack,
I called them and they said they had 1 x 6 boards, 20' long; along with
birch plywood. That's allot of ripping.
Thanks,
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack T. Textor
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 5:46 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another newbie looking for advise
Jim,
Have you considered McCormick Lumber in Madison? I heard they got a
new load of rough sawn spruce in.
Jack
www.textors.com
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Subject: Re: food for thought
From: "MikeD" <mjdt(at)auracom.com>
Date: Mar 01, 2008
Glenn Thomas wrote:
> There is already a builders' directory. I can just modify the profile you fill
out to include a "come visit me" checkbox. I have to add some site security
because the Viagra people seem to have taken over that directory.
>
> Glenn
>
I guess it found "builders" and "erectors" :? side by side in a thesaurus somewhere
and you became spam fodder. I don't think anyone would mind a sign in
procedure.
Mike
--------
Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167160#167160
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From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: wing calibration
Date: Mar 01, 2008
Today was an absolutly nice day over Mn and West Wi. In Mn speak that
is any day over 30 degrees with a wind under 20 mph.
I went to the hangar early with a digital level. I havent re balanced
my wings on Piet #1 since I built it 4 years ago. I had used the method
of measuring the wing to floor at cockpit and then at tips to find 1
inch of washout at tips. With the level, I was able to get the exact
angle at cockpit then add exactly 1/2 degree washout at tips. I took it
out for a flight for over an hour, the difference is amazing. Most
noticably is how much better the power off glide is. It all around
handles better and the climb is also better. Now I have to go back and
re trim the horiz stab a bit.
Dick N.
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From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: fuel tank thickness
Date: Mar 01, 2008
I'm thinking of making a tank using stainless steel. What is the
thinnest gauge I could use?
Douwe
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From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: tailwheel arm
Date: Mar 01, 2008
Hey guys,
I know I asked this a while ago, but I lost the email.
Can some of you tell me the distance between the holes in your tailwheel
control arm/horn?
Trying to figure out where's a good place to start, probably take the
numbers you give me and drill a few holes so I can move things.
I know some of you attach to the rudder, some to the rudder cables, and
some to the rudder bar. I want to attach to either the cables or the
rudder bar. Attaching to the cables seems cleaner and less weight, but
seems like it might add some odd deflection to the rudder cables. On
the other hand, I kind of hate adding more stuff on the floor of the
cockpit if I run it to the bar, though this does allow me to fine tune
how much the wheel turns.
All thoughts and experiences are appreciated!
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: food for thought
From: "=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Date: Mar 02, 2008
I would welcome a sign in, helps keep the rifraf out. Just my never to be humble
opinion.
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "MikeD" <mjdt(at)auracom.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 16:17:27
To:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: food for thought
Glenn Thomas wrote:
> There is already a builders' directory. I can just modify the profile you fill
out to include a "come visit me" checkbox. I have to add some site security
because the Viagra people seem to have taken over that directory.
>
> Glenn
>
I guess it found "builders" and "erectors" :? side by side in a thesaurus somewhere
and you became spam fodder. I don't think anyone would mind a sign in
procedure.
Mike
--------
Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167160#167160
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From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 01, 2008
Subject: Re: food for thought
Gary,
I get to the LA area a few times a year just nothing up north even though I
sure do love the wine country.
Any place to meet is good, where else do you go? who knows maybe we can meet
during travel and crack open a box of that great Napa wine.
John
**************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.
(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/
2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: food for thought
Date: Mar 01, 2008
John,
If you draw a big circle from Reno, down to Las Vegas, west to San Diego, up
to Medford, OR, and back down to Reno - that's my world, plus some
occasional trips into Mexico, Idaho and Utah. I'd love to meet up with some
of you, or some of the other road warriors. It was Jim Boyer who offered to
break open the wine barrel with some one. He lives in the heart of the
whine.I mean wine country.
I am happy to report to all that I got my elevators glued up today,
including gussets. All went smoothly, and tomorrow I'll do the trimming and
shaping.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: food for thought
Gary,
I get to the LA area a few times a year just nothing up north even though I
sure do love the wine country.
Any place to meet is good, where else do you go? who knows maybe we can meet
during travel and crack open a box of that great Napa wine.
John
_____
Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch
<http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-du
ffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598> the video on AOL Living.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Dallas/ Ft Worth Pietenpol'ers
Date: Mar 01, 2008
I'll be in Dallas (Addison, actually) on Wed-Fri, March 19-21.
Maybe we can get together with Max Davis and go up and check on Jeff
Hill's Pietenpol progress...
Jim Markle
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dallas/ Ft Worth Pietenpol'ers
Fellow Pietenpol'ers,
I am going to be in Dallas the week of March 17-20. If possible I
would like to meet up with any of the Texas Piet'ers in the Dallas /Ft
Worth Area. I will Get down there Monday the 17th after noon or so,and
would love to get togeather with any of the fellow piet builders or
flyers. My job is sending me down for the Aviation Maintenence Expo at
the Dallas Convention Center the wek of March 17. If there are any
takers let me know, I would love to meet some fellow Pieters in the Lone
Star State.
Shad Bell
NX92GB
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Dallas/ Ft Worth Pietenpol'ers
Date: Mar 01, 2008
I'll be in Dallas (Addison, actually) on Wed-Fri, March 19-21.
Maybe we can get together with Max Davis and go up and check on Jeff Hill's
Pietenpol progress...
Jim Markle
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dallas/ Ft Worth Pietenpol'ers
Fellow Pietenpol'ers,
I am going to be in Dallas the week of March 17-20. If possible I would
like to meet up with any of the Texas Piet'ers in the Dallas /Ft Worth Area.
I will Get down there Monday the 17th after noon or so,and would love to get
togeather with any of the fellow piet builders or flyers. My job is sending
me down for the Aviation Maintenence Expo at the Dallas Convention Center
the wek of March 17. If there are any takers let me know, I would love to
meet some fellow Pieters in the Lone Star State.
Shad Bell
NX92GB
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pietflyr" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: food for thought
Date: Mar 02, 2008
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pietflyr" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: fuel tank thickness
Date: Mar 02, 2008
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Billy" <billmz(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest:food for thought
Date: Mar 02, 2008
Hi all,
This is my first post to this list, though I have been lurking for about 5
months now. I've gleaned a LOT of useful info without even having to ask
questions, as many have already asked many of the same questions I've had.
I think the idea of a host/vistor list is a great idea. I'd love to meet
other builders to take a look at and discuss Piets in person. I've had my
plans in hand now since 1995 (1934 Orrin Hoopman plans) but I haven't yet
started yet on my build. The lack time, money, or suitable tools and
equipment have conspired against me until recently. I'll be constructing my
rib jig soon. I plan to build a WW Corvair conversion for power but don't
have a core engine yet. So right now, I have nothing to show to any fellow
Piet builders who might be in my area. After I've actually made some parts
and some progress, I would welcome visits from fellow builders. When I
begin my construction, it will be in Urbana, IL where I spend most of my
time, and also where all of my woodworking equipment and tools are located.
I travel back and forth on a semi-regular basis between Baker, LA (4 miles
north of BTR airport) and Champaign/Urbana IL. I also make occasional trips
to Charleston, SC, St. Augustine FL, and a few smaller towns in northern NJ
where I have family (Oakland, West Milford, Butler, Kinnelon area). I'd
love the opportunity to meet fellow Piet builders who live along my travel
routes.
I really appreciate this forum, everyone here seems very genuine and
interested in doing a proper job of constructing their dream airplane. I've
previously been part of other forums and mailing lists covering various
other topics (cars, guitars, etc...), but this is by far the most civil and
useful one I've been a part of. I've seen some great discussions here, and
occasionally some friendly disagreement, but I've yet to see anyone put
anyone else down here, and I appreciate that.
Billy McCaskill
usually in Urbana, IL,
sometimes in Baker, LA...
always thinking about building my Piet!
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 02, 2008
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest:food for thought
Billy,
I'm in Byram Twsp. NJ,, Near Andover, just west on I80 for a few.
My Pietenpol is hangered at Newton (Jump) airport
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Billy" <billmz(at)cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest:food for thought
>
> Hi all,
>
> This is my first post to this list, though I have been lurking for about 5
> months now. I've gleaned a LOT of useful info without even having to ask
> questions, as many have already asked many of the same questions I've had.
>
> I think the idea of a host/vistor list is a great idea. I'd love to meet
> other builders to take a look at and discuss Piets in person. I've had my
> plans in hand now since 1995 (1934 Orrin Hoopman plans) but I haven't yet
> started yet on my build. The lack time, money, or suitable tools and
> equipment have conspired against me until recently. I'll be constructing
> my rib jig soon. I plan to build a WW Corvair conversion for power but
> don't have a core engine yet. So right now, I have nothing to show to any
> fellow Piet builders who might be in my area. After I've actually made
> some parts and some progress, I would welcome visits from fellow builders.
> When I begin my construction, it will be in Urbana, IL where I spend most
> of my time, and also where all of my woodworking equipment and tools are
> located.
>
> I travel back and forth on a semi-regular basis between Baker, LA (4 miles
> north of BTR airport) and Champaign/Urbana IL. I also make occasional
> trips to Charleston, SC, St. Augustine FL, and a few smaller towns in
> northern NJ where I have family (Oakland, West Milford, Butler, Kinnelon
> area). I'd love the opportunity to meet fellow Piet builders who live
> along my travel routes.
>
> I really appreciate this forum, everyone here seems very genuine and
> interested in doing a proper job of constructing their dream airplane.
> I've previously been part of other forums and mailing lists covering
> various other topics (cars, guitars, etc...), but this is by far the most
> civil and useful one I've been a part of. I've seen some great
> discussions here, and occasionally some friendly disagreement, but I've
> yet to see anyone put anyone else down here, and I appreciate that.
>
> Billy McCaskill
> usually in Urbana, IL,
> sometimes in Baker, LA...
> always thinking about building my Piet!
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com>
Subject: fuel tank thickness
Date: Mar 02, 2008
Another problem is that to get the strength needed the material would be
pretty thin, but it will oil can like crazy at thickness. That will mean
having to weld in a bunch of ribs to make it rigid or using thicker material
making it a lot heavier.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of pietflyr
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 6:07 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank thickness
The question is not what thickness, the question is "Why stainless steel?"
Heavy, and nearly as difficult to weld as aluminum. And more expensive.
Other than those three points, it is fine.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 8:15 PM
To: pietenpolgroup
Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank thickness
I'm thinking of making a tank using stainless steel. What is the
thinnest gauge I could use?
Douwe
~
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <GeneRambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest:food for thought
Date: Mar 02, 2008
I live in DC suburbs and would be happy to have any stop to visit. I
travel all the time, and would like to visit anyone near any of my
overnights. I usually ask if anyone is nearby when I have a long
overnight, but have not managed to arrange any visits yet.
Gene
short fuselage, wood gear, wire wheels, Model A
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans<mailto:waltdak(at)verizon.net>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest:food for
thought
>
Billy,
I'm in Byram Twsp. NJ,, Near Andover, just west on I80 for a few.
My Pietenpol is hangered at Newton (Jump) airport
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Billy" <billmz(at)cox.net<mailto:billmz(at)cox.net>>
To:
>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest:food for thought
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> This is my first post to this list, though I have been lurking for
about 5
> months now. I've gleaned a LOT of useful info without even having
to ask
> questions, as many have already asked many of the same questions
I've had.
>
> I think the idea of a host/vistor list is a great idea. I'd love to
meet
> other builders to take a look at and discuss Piets in person. I've
had my
> plans in hand now since 1995 (1934 Orrin Hoopman plans) but I
haven't yet
> started yet on my build. The lack time, money, or suitable tools
and
> equipment have conspired against me until recently. I'll be
constructing
> my rib jig soon. I plan to build a WW Corvair conversion for power
but
> don't have a core engine yet. So right now, I have nothing to show
to any
> fellow Piet builders who might be in my area. After I've actually
made
> some parts and some progress, I would welcome visits from fellow
builders.
> When I begin my construction, it will be in Urbana, IL where I spend
most
> of my time, and also where all of my woodworking equipment and tools
are
> located.
>
> I travel back and forth on a semi-regular basis between Baker, LA (4
miles
> north of BTR airport) and Champaign/Urbana IL. I also make
occasional
> trips to Charleston, SC, St. Augustine FL, and a few smaller towns
in
> northern NJ where I have family (Oakland, West Milford, Butler,
Kinnelon
> area). I'd love the opportunity to meet fellow Piet builders who
live
> along my travel routes.
>
> I really appreciate this forum, everyone here seems very genuine and
> interested in doing a proper job of constructing their dream
airplane.
> I've previously been part of other forums and mailing lists covering
> various other topics (cars, guitars, etc...), but this is by far the
most
> civil and useful one I've been a part of. I've seen some great
> discussions here, and occasionally some friendly disagreement, but
I've
> yet to see anyone put anyone else down here, and I appreciate that.
>
> Billy McCaskill
> usually in Urbana, IL,
> sometimes in Baker, LA...
> always thinking about building my Piet!
>
>
>
>
>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 02, 2008
Subject: Wood disc, nose cowl
Hi all,
Well, as you may remember a few days ago, I asked the question, whether or
not the "pine disc" as referred to by the 1934 Hoopman plans, stayed with the
airplane, or was discarded after formation of all the cowling pieces (this is
for the Ford A motor). I got varied responses, but I would like to share two
of those with you that I received from two well-respected members of the
Pietenpol-builders fraternity. Ken Perkins wrote:
Dan:
Yes, the disc stays on the engine. Warning: The top right hand bolt that
holds disc on Engine goes into oil galley. You need to seal the threads on
the two top bolts or you will have a big oil leak. Taper the outside of Disc
to line up with firewall.
Ken
Forrest Lovley wrote:
In the original airplanes, Bernard used a wooden disc on the front of the
cowling. It was used to make the transition from the side cowls to the nose
cowl used on the Ford. The disc was fit loosely on the front of the engine,
not bolted tight. The sheet metal was NAILED to the wooden disc. This was
common practice in those days. Waco nailed their sheet metal on the early
airplanes also. Those airplanes were not meant to last long enough to have to
take it apart. It would be easy enough to make an aluminum bulkhead to join the
aluminum for the Ford cowl when building one today. However, the wood
worked just fine for the job it was asked to do.
Forrest Lovley
Submitted by:
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
**************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.
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2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)
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Date: Mar 02, 2008
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Another newbie looking for advise
> Right now the forum is a little busy with an unusually large wave of
> builders and opinions.
>
>
That is an understatement, I have never seen this newsgroup so busy in the
four years I have been tuning in. This years Broadhead get together should
be a worlds record (I hope). For all you newer Pietenpolers out there who
have never been to Broadhead, I guarantee you will learn more in one day
seeing flying Piets (and maybe even riding in one) and talking to successful
builders than you will in a year of reading Internet groups and staring at
the plans (and you may even have some fun).
Rick
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Spruce Alternatives
From: "allthumbs" <rray032003(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 02, 2008
I have to disagree, what makes the box beam better is using plywood
that has grain orientation running 45 degrees with the parallel grain.
This puts wood fibers in tension in shear which makes a stronger beam.
Can be built lighter and stronger. Lamination of wood have the same strength as
a perfect piece of wood that has no flaws. Or it could depend
on how the laminate is done.
--------
Russell
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Subject: Re: Another newbie looking for advise
From: "=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Date: Mar 03, 2008
I plan to be there. Who knows maybe even get a ride this time
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:33:34
To:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another newbie looking for advise
Right now the forum is a little busy with an unusually large wave of builders and
opinions.
That is an understatement, I have never seen this newsgroup so busy in the four
years I have been tuning in. This years Broadhead get together should be a worlds
record (I hope). For all you newer Pietenpolers out there who have never
been to Broadhead, I guarantee you will learn more in one day seeing flying Piets
(and maybe even riding in one) and talking to successful builders than you
will in a year of reading Internet groups and staring at the plans (and you may
even have some fun).
Rick
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 03, 2008
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Spruce Alternatives
Hey Russel, there's no reference to what the exact
statement is that you are disagreeing with.
You are right in your assessment of a box spar with
45 grain orientation in the ply web. In this you have
created a continuous triangulated truss.
I made up an experimental board with three fish scales
to see how this triangulation works. One scale parallel
to the long direction of a "beam" . One at 45 and one
to pull both of those, again pulling parallel to the beam.
The parallel load drops quite a bit. I can't remember the
percentages, it was a couple of years ago now.
Here in Canada I would have to have the box inspected
as a stand alone assembly with one side open. Once
passed the box could be closed up. The inspection
costs money so that would eat up a lot of the gains in
material cost over a solid spar and in my situation cost
would be my only reason for doing the extra work. Now
an I beam or the English style is not a closed assembly so
it wouldn't require the extra inspection.
With laminations are we all thinking the same thing.
To me this means that there are a number of pieces
of solid wood glued together to make a larger board.
Each piece has the grain running parallel to the long
length of each strip. The end grain will be at some angle
between 90 and 180 depending on the choice of the
builder. Whatever that choice is decided on as being
right or reasonably acceptable. That choice for me
would depend on how many laminations were used.
If it was two or three or six in a 1" X 4 3/4" spar I
would want the grain parallel or reasonably so, to
the 1" side. If the laminations were 1/4" X 1" the
individual orientation is much less significant as
each lamination of this small size becomes a "grain"
in it's own right. As such they make the overall board
quarter grain which limits the possibility of warping.
In any case the strength will be equal to a solid board
of the same material with the same "Perfect Board"
condition as stated by Russell.
Clif
>
> I have to disagree, what makes the box beam better is using plywood
> that has grain orientation running 45 degrees with the parallel grain.
> This puts wood fibers in tension in shear which makes a stronger beam.
> Can be built lighter and stronger. Lamination of wood have the same
> strength as a perfect piece of wood that has no flaws. Or it could depend
> on how the laminate is done.
>
> --------
> Russell
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Spruce Alternatives
From: "allthumbs" <rray032003(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 03, 2008
Now a question, regular Finnish birch, phenol resin glue, 1/8 (3 mm)
cut in strips diagonally across the plywood board at spars width.
this would make all grain run at 45 degree, thats glued to 1' by 1 1/4'
fir cap stripe, then another regular 90 degree piece on the other
side, the splices would be scarfed to 1' and glued. anyone see
anything wrong with this? There would be some waste material however
this could be used else where as gussets. Two sides of the box spar
one regular grain and one that has all grain with a 45 degree orientation.
There would be webbing at spar locations and double width at cross
brace points.
--------
Russell
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From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: visitors welcome and Brodhead
Date: Mar 03, 2008
Since we obviously have a social crowd who likes to visit, I extend a
welcome to any visitors who ever get to the Cincinatti, Louisville or
Lexington area. My piet is a Ford, straight gear, 90% done, engine
running on stand. I am just south of Cincinatti off the 75/71 split,
1.25 hours from Louisville or Lexington.
I would second the plug for Brodhead. Since we have so many new people
who havn't been, let me think of a good way to put this...
YOU MUST COME TO BRODHEAD!!!
It is truly a wonderful place, filled with wonderful people, and the
wonderful airplanes we love. You can see ten different ways builders
have done things, talk to them, spend all day watching them fly, catch a
ride or two and take pictures galore. It is also a great way to cement
the comradarie which has always been rather unique to the Piet crowd,
and it'll give you that boost to get you through another year of
building. It's kind of like the Piet builders yearly shot in the arm to
keep running towards the finish line!!
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Power setting question.
Date: Mar 03, 2008
From: <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca>
So your saying that with full power at take off we are running the risk
of an engine shut down?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Baker
Sent: February 28, 2008 6:02 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Power setting question.
Full power setting enriches the mixture to prevent detonation.
Dick Baker
www.aerovisiontech.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt
evans
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Power setting question.
Don't remember any instructor I've flown with not asking for full power
on
takeoff.
Still remember learning in the '60's, with my instructor Dick Plahn
(WWII,
P51,P38,P39,P40, B25) Calling out from the right seat of a 172 "full
throttle, feet off the brakes"
More power just means you can yank that nose up really high.
walt evans
NX140DL
4:34 PM
4:34 PM
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Power setting question.
Date: Mar 03, 2008
From: <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca>
So your saying rev higher during cruise and I'll get better milage?
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KMHeide,
BA, CPO, FAAOP
Sent: February 28, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Power setting question.
Harvey,
If you put 6 more revolutions on that rubber band it will improve gas
milage three fold! The Franklin uses a 3/4" fuel line doesn't it? I know
now why you were buying BP fuel stock....
Ken
harvey.rule(at)bell.ca wrote:
My Piet cruises at 85- 90(2200 rpm);usually climbs out at 60
(2500 rpm)and top speed is about 95-97(2500 rpm on the flat).Uses 85 hp
Franklin.Uses a lot of gas.
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad
bell
Sent: February 28, 2008 8:28 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Power setting question.
Tim, don't worry about the extra power. Too much power is not a
problem, however too much airspeed (anything over 90mph or so) is a bad
thing in a Piet. I saw 2 piets at Brodhead last year with 0-200's and
no worries. Ours is a 100 HP corvair, and it climbs out nice at full
power, and gets a good 75mph cruise. Wide open gets about 85-90mph.
85 is about as fast as is comfortable in our piet. Use the engine and
don't worry, the power will make it a "Bush Piet - STOL".
My 2 cents
Shad
NX92GB
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-da Vinci/John Gillespie Magee
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: visitors welcome and Brodhead
Date: Mar 03, 2008
And don't forget to wear a nametag at Brodhead........
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:21 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: visitors welcome and Brodhead
Since we obviously have a social crowd who likes to visit, I extend a
welcome to any visitors who ever get to the Cincinatti, Louisville or
Lexington area. My piet is a Ford, straight gear, 90% done, engine
running on stand. I am just south of Cincinatti off the 75/71 split,
1.25 hours from Louisville or Lexington.
I would second the plug for Brodhead. Since we have so many new
people who havn't been, let me think of a good way to put this...
YOU MUST COME TO BRODHEAD!!!
It is truly a wonderful place, filled with wonderful people, and the
wonderful airplanes we love. You can see ten different ways builders
have done things, talk to them, spend all day watching them fly, catch a
ride or two and take pictures galore. It is also a great way to cement
the comradarie which has always been rather unique to the Piet crowd,
and it'll give you that boost to get you through another year of
building. It's kind of like the Piet builders yearly shot in the arm to
keep running towards the finish line!!
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 03, 2008
Subject: Re: visitors welcome and Brodhead
About Brodhead:
I will be there with my Aeronca Sedan available to give a mini flying lesson
to anyone that hasn't flown before and wants to, or anyone that just wants
to go up and see the field from the air (free of course). This is all
dependent on the WX of course. Last year I was able to do this and I'm sure it
was
much appreciated. I myself learned about a thousand new things. You need to
come back every year during the building process, because at every new stage
you will need to solve a bunch of new problems. I am very fortunate to only
live about 40 mi. away as the crow flies.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
**************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.
(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/
2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)
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Subject: Aileron Question
Date: Mar 03, 2008
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Good morning,
I have my left wing pretty much completed, ribs glued, mid compression
struts glued, tip bolted (not glued), strut braces formed, leading and
trailing edges on. The wing is good and square. Do I need to trammel
and put the drag and anti-drag wire in before I start on the aileron?
Thanks,
Jack
www.textors.com <http://www.textors.com/>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 03, 2008
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: visitors welcome and Brodhead
And as someone mentioned, you always getting multiple different answers to
build questions and you have to figure out what is BS and what isn't. At
Broadhead you can talk to people who have built and have been flying Piets
for decades (and in some cases build multiple Piets). It will give you real
piece of mind to know that the way you are building yours has been flight
proven for hundreds of hours.
Rick
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 5:21 AM, Douwe Blumberg
wrote:
> Since we obviously have a social crowd who likes to visit, I extend a
> welcome to any visitors who ever get to the Cincinatti, Louisville or
> Lexington area. My piet is a Ford, straight gear, 90% done, engine running
> on stand. I am just south of Cincinatti off the 75/71 split, 1.25 hours
> from Louisville or Lexington.
>
> I would second the plug for Brodhead. Since we have so many new people
> who havn't been, let me think of a good way to put this...
> YOU MUST COME TO BRODHEAD!!!
>
> It is truly a wonderful place, filled with wonderful people, and the
> wonderful airplanes we love. You can see ten different ways builders have
> done things, talk to them, spend all day watching them fly, catch a ride or
> two and take pictures galore. It is also a great way to cement the
> comradarie which has always been rather unique to the Piet crowd, and it'll
> give you that boost to get you through another year of building. It's kind
> of like the Piet builders yearly shot in the arm to keep running towards the
> finish line!!
>
> Douwe
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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Date: Mar 03, 2008
From: Owen Davies <owen5819(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Spruce Alternatives
allthumbs wrote:
> Now a question, regular Finnish birch, phenol resin glue, 1/8 (3 mm)
> cut in strips diagonally...
Why does everyone have this pathological need to "improve" something
beyond all possible reason?
Okay, the simple spruce plank has become untenably expensive. According
to Best's calculations--which I am not prepared to dispute or defend but
am willing to accept at face value until someone brings them into
serious question--a simple I-beam spar with a 90-degree sheer web should
be not only cheap, light, and easy, but even stronger than something
that has been plenty strong enough for nearly 70 years. It sounds good
enough to me. And that's the only criterion that means anything: good
enough.
Want it strong, not quite so light, not quite so easy, and not quite so
cheap, but thoroughly tested and certified by a group that is authorized
to do such things? Use the PFA semi-box version. I am actually thinking
about doing so myself.
Want it not quite so light as the I-beam, with lots of scarfing,
inefficient use of materials (by the criterion above), etc.? 45-degree
ply has it all. But at least it will probably be strong enough for
advanced aerobatics. In your Piet.
Actually, I can see one really interesting use for 45-degree sheer webs.
Let's all build cantilever Piets. Get rid of those darned struts!
Probably add 1, maybe even 2 knots to our cruise. St. Bernie would have
loved...er, well, maybe he wouldn't.
Owen
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 03, 2008
From: Owen Davies <owen5819(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Spruce Alternatives
Owen Davies wrote:
> allthumbs wrote:
Graceless as it is to respond to one's own message, it seems necessary
to point out: allthumbs, I did not mean to pick on you individually. I'm
sorry if it seemed that way.
We all have this odd compulsion to overcomplicate things. I have done it
as much as anyone. But let's all take a moment to remember that we
aren't building a Pitts here, or even a Jodel. Low and slow, cheap and
easy. Add cost and complexity only if our vision truly requires it, not
because we just can't leave well enough alone.
Could it be time for a reality check? Everyone who is not building
exactly to plans, let's peer into our hearts and see whether our current
design choices really fit with our original vision of a Pietenpol, much
less St. Bernie's vision. No need to share with the group. But I'm
guessing that what you find won't involve weather radar, a G meter, box
spars with 45-degree sheer webs, or any other needless complexity.
Incidentally, note that glue is a whole lot heavier than wood. It does
not take all that many laminations before the weight of the glue makes
for an uncommonly heavy spar.
Owen
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: fuel tank thickness
Date: Mar 03, 2008
Douwe,
I remember a discussion about this from about a year ago, so I looked up a
posting I made back then. Here it is:
The most likely reason for choosing aluminum over stainless steel is
weight. On a volumetric basis, stainless steel weighs almost 3 times as
much as aluminum. The typical aluminum tank seems to be made from .040"
thick aluminum. This thickness can be TIG welded successfully (by a
skilled welder) to produce a leak-proof tank. The thinnest stainless
steel that can practically be welded (again, by a skilled TIG welder) is
probably 22ga (.031" thick) or 20ga (.037").
Without doing any accurate calculations, it looks like the typical nose
tank (like Mike Cuy's sketch) might have about 20 square feet of
surface. Aluminum weighs .563 pounds per square foot for .040"
thickness, and T304 stainless steel weighs 1.27 pounds per sq.ft. for
.031" thickness. The aluminum tank would weigh about 11 pounds, whereas
the stainless tank would weigh about 25 1/2 pounds. That's a 14+ pound
penalty. (If you choose 20ga st.st. add an additional 5 pounds.)
So, to answer your question directly, the thinnest gauge that is weldable by
the average skilled welder of stainless steel is probably 20ga. That will
probably be the limiting factor.
Whether you want an extra 20 pounds in your plane is another question.
Bill
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Subject: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs. Douglas Fir Piets
From: "montanacos" <tj_moody(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 03, 2008
I have followed this site for years, and have been wanting to start building an
airplane with a corvair engine for a long time. I posted several years ago after
finishing a house and was hoping to start building soon. Well, plans get
pushed back, and I built another house weekends and evenings and still am hoping
to start building something fun. Of course, I have a young family and money
is an issue.
I have not been blessed with a pilots build however. I am about 255 lbs, and with
diet and exercise, I could comfortably loose 15 to 20 lbs. So I am never
going to be the 140 lbs that makes flying a small airplane with a passenger nice
and easy. Building material weight is also an issue. I need to build light,
but if I can compromise a little on weight, then maybe I can afford to get
in the air on my limited budget.
My question is on the finished weights of two similar Piet's, one of spruce, and
one of douglas fir. I have a brother who works at a planer here in Montana
and they get lots of douglas fir. He said that he could set aside the nice vertical
grain fir if I am interested. This would significantly cut down on the
cost, and I would be able to start the construction as soon as I purchase the
plans. I have the Flying and Glider Manual that covers the Piet, and have thought
of drawing the rib on autocad and building the ribs until I purchase the
complete set of drawings including the long fuse for the corvair engine. I don't
think there would be any copy right issues with that approach since the information
I have comes from the Flying and gliders manual.
Thanks in advance and I hope to start soon.
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Subject: Re: visitors welcome and Brodhead
From: "bhassel" <bob(at)cozyworld.net>
Date: Mar 03, 2008
Not that I'll have much of a chance to make it all the way up to Brodhead, but
when is it this year?
Bob
Santa Fe, NM
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Subject: Re: Spruce Alternatives
From: "bhassel" <bob(at)cozyworld.net>
Date: Mar 03, 2008
I've worked some with metal and some with composites/fiberglass/MSG but this wood
stuff is new to me.
I'd like to find a workable solution because of the expense of the spruce and getting
it all the way down here in the southwest. Of course living in the desert
southwest means aircraft wood is not a naturally occurring entity.
I'm not sure I can keep all of my brain cells aligned in this discussion but please
don't let it stop. If I could go down to my local Lowe's and find reasonably
priced/acceptable wood (still learning that one as well) I'd love it!
Bob
Santa Fe, NM
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Date: Mar 03, 2008
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: visitors welcome and Brodhead
Bob,
It's the weekend preceding the start of Oshkosh. July 25-27. You can get this info
(and all sorts of pics and news) from the EAA 431 website:
http://www.eaa431.org/
Brodhead is an absolutely perfect airport. 3 grass runways (with the main runway
being the only one open during most fly-ins), just south of a small town in
Wisconsin. Sitting in a lawn chair just off the active and watching the airplanes
on a beautiful summer day is just about as good as it gets. And there are
so many interesting people and airplanes based there....it's almost criminal.
Ryan
Not that I'll have much of a chance to make it all the way up to Brodhead, but
when is it this year?
Bob
Santa Fe, NM
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Subject: Re: Spruce Alternatives
Date: Mar 03, 2008
From: <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca>
Wood is just a composite material with a grain in it.Some good ones
,some bad ones.All are good for something even if its just for a fire.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bhassel
Sent: March 3, 2008 2:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Alternatives
I've worked some with metal and some with composites/fiberglass/MSG but
this wood stuff is new to me.
I'd like to find a workable solution because of the expense of the
spruce and getting it all the way down here in the southwest. Of course
living in the desert southwest means aircraft wood is not a naturally
occurring entity.
I'm not sure I can keep all of my brain cells aligned in this discussion
but please don't let it stop. If I could go down to my local Lowe's and
find reasonably priced/acceptable wood (still learning that one as well)
I'd love it!
Bob
Santa Fe, NM
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Subject: Re: visitors welcome and Brodhead
From: "bhassel" <bob(at)cozyworld.net>
Date: Mar 03, 2008
thanks!
I noticed the new site for the BPA on there as well - two new favorites!
Bob
Santa Fe, NM
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Date: Mar 03, 2008
From: Owen Davies <owen5819(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs. Douglas
Fir Piets
montanacos wrote:
> My question is on the finished weights of two similar Piet's, one of spruce,
and one of douglas fir.
Some years ago, a friend built a Piet out of Douglas fir. I can't
remember how much it weighed, though I believe it was a bit heavier than
some. He did say that it wound up tail heavy and that if he were to
build another he would use fir only for the most heavily stressed pieces
and pine for pretty much anything else. He specifically said he'd use
fir only for the spars in the tail and pine for the rest of the empennage.
One online source (http://www.geocities.com/steamgen/woodweights.pdf)
says that Sitka spruce is about 28 lb per cubic foot, while Doug fir
ranges from 30 lb to 34 lb per cubic foot, depending on where it grew.
It's been ages since I last saw the FPL data, but this sounds right.
This is not precisely on point, but a builder named Graham Hansen wrote
in the archives (see the quote on 2003-01-05; I couldn't find the
original message) that he had built both a wood Piet and one with a
steel-tube frame, and the steel turned out to be 35 - 40 lb lighter.
It's probably cheaper, too, if you use modern ERW tube instead of 4130
or whatever Mr. Pietenpol found locally. (This should be an acceptable
substitution. According to the Flying and Glider Manual, a competent
engineer found the tube design to be way overbuilt.)
I will be going this route, both to save weight and money and because I
really enjoy welding and will need the practice for my next project, a
Wittman Buttercup. There will be a part of me that says it isn't really
a Pietenpol, even though the conversion was done by the original
designer, but I can live with that. I believe that Mr. Pietenpol would
understand.
Owen
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Spruce Alternatives
Date: Mar 03, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
One thing to bear in mind when trying to find all these alternatives to
spruce is that the total cost of the wood, whether aircraft grade Sitka
Spruce or Home Depot pine (Fisherman Ray, are you still out there?), is
a small fraction of the total cost of the project. My Pietenpol is
built exclusively of aircraft grade spruce, and aircraft grade mahogany
and birch plywood from both Aircraft Spruce & Specialty and Wicks
(neither of which are exactly cheap). The total cost of the wood in my
airplane was around $1,000. The total cost of the airplane was about
$14,000. And that was spaced out over 6 years of building (I frequently
tell people my airplane cost me the same amount a 2-pack a day smoker
would have spent on cigarettes in the same time frame).
Let's assume that if you use alternative woods you can build the whole
airplane with $200 worth of wood. If I had done that, my plane would
have cost me $13,200 instead of $14,000, a whopping 5.71% change. To
each his own, but for me, I prefer knowing that I have the best, safest
and lightest material holding my butt up in the air.
In the total cost of the airplane, the cost of the wood is almost
insignificant - even if you use the expensive aircraft grade spruce.
When you add that fact to the idea that you can order spars, capstrips
and longerons already planed to the exact size you need it becomes even
more attractive. The chance of finding lumberyard wood that is already
planed to the exact thickness you need is pretty remote. So if you use
alternates, that means borrowing or buying a planer and spending many
hours just producing the material rather than actually building.
Besides, spruce works so nicely. It doesn't smell like turpentine like
Douglas fir does, and it doesn't splinter easily. There's a reason
airplanes have been built of spruce since the beginning of aviation.
Lastly, even though you think you'll never sell your Pietenpol, if you
do have to sell it, the fact that you built it from aircraft grade
materials can yield you a higher price.
Remember - "Simplicate and add Lightness" A light airplane flies
better.
Okay - I'm off my soapbox (which was built of spruce as well)
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bhassel
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Alternatives
I've worked some with metal and some with composites/fiberglass/MSG but
this wood stuff is new to me.
I'd like to find a workable solution because of the expense of the
spruce and getting it all the way down here in the southwest. Of course
living in the desert southwest means aircraft wood is not a naturally
occurring entity.
I'm not sure I can keep all of my brain cells aligned in this discussion
but please don't let it stop. If I could go down to my local Lowe's and
find reasonably priced/acceptable wood (still learning that one as well)
I'd love it!
Bob
Santa Fe, NM
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Date: Mar 03, 2008
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs. Douglas
Fir Piets
According to the text of an article in the EAA Aircraft Building Techniques: Wood
book, fir is approximately 26% heavier than spruce.
Say a Piet built from spruce was 680 lbs. If you built the whole thing from fir
(without reducing dimensions), it would be 826. Based on those calcs....
montanacos wrote:
> My question is on the finished weights of two similar Piet's, one of spruce,
and one of douglas fir.
Some years ago, a friend built a Piet out of Douglas fir. I can't
remember how much it weighed, though I believe it was a bit heavier than
some. He did say that it wound up tail heavy and that if he were to
build another he would use fir only for the most heavily stressed pieces
and pine for pretty much anything else. He specifically said he'd use
fir only for the spars in the tail and pine for the rest of the empennage.
One online source (http://www.geocities.com/steamgen/woodweights.pdf)
says that Sitka spruce is about 28 lb per cubic foot, while Doug fir
ranges from 30 lb to 34 lb per cubic foot, depending on where it grew.
It's been ages since I last saw the FPL data, but this sounds right.
This is not precisely on point, but a builder named Graham Hansen wrote
in the archives (see the quote on 2003-01-05; I couldn't find the
original message) that he had built both a wood Piet and one with a
steel-tube frame, and the steel turned out to be 35 - 40 lb lighter.
It's probably cheaper, too, if you use modern ERW tube instead of 4130
or whatever Mr. Pietenpol found locally. (This should be an acceptable
substitution. According to the Flying and Glider Manual, a competent
engineer found the tube design to be way overbuilt.)
I will be going this route, both to save weight and money and because I
really enjoy welding and will need the practice for my next project, a
Wittman Buttercup. There will be a part of me that says it isn't really
a Pietenpol, even though the conversion was done by the original
designer, but I can live with that. I believe that Mr. Pietenpol would
understand.
Owen
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: straight axle and wheels for sale
Date: Mar 03, 2008
Hi guys,
I mentioned this before and had some interest, but at the time I wanted
more for them (what I have in them) than what anyone wanted to pay.
I have to build a new set of wheels with brakes, so if anyone wants a
complete, ready to go, brakeless straight axle with two beautiful wire
wheels, email me and I'll send photos.
They are very unique and classic. They are 28" smooth high pressure
clincher tire, which is a WW1 era tire, which is what the first Piets
used. Tubes and tires are easily available. The wheels use a steel
rim, stainless steel spokes laced up by Buchannans. Hub is of classic
design using bronze bushings and a grease fitting for lube. The axle is
the standard 4130 tube, 6' long, 1.5" od
Can send pics.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 03, 2008
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Aileron Question
Jack,
Yes, If I remember correctly, the wing gets trammeled with all the wires
tensioned, the ailerons are then built with in the wing, with all the
aileron spars and structure bracing.
(Stands to reason that the ribs and spars are perfect before gluing all
the things in the ailerons to make them final.)
THEN,,,the ailerons are cut from the wing proper with a small saw, the
edges finished, and then the hinges layed out and fastened.
When the hinges are attached, the aileron has to be in the same
position, as if it were never cut out.
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack T. Textor
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 8:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Question
Good morning,
I have my left wing pretty much completed, ribs glued, mid compression
struts glued, tip bolted (not glued), strut braces formed, leading and
trailing edges on. The wing is good and square. Do I need to trammel
and put the drag and anti-drag wire in before I start on the aileron?
Thanks,
Jack
www.textors.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Aileron Question
Date: Mar 03, 2008
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Walt,
Thanks for the reply. It stands to reason I should put the leading edge
ply on also after bracing, correct? On another note, would you
recommend 2" (piano) hinges for the ailerons?
Thanks!
Jack
www.textors.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs. Douglas
Fir Piets
Date: Mar 03, 2008
Not so fast there, young fella...
The 680 pounds includes a whole lot more than spruce (or fir). That weight
includes all the plywood, glue, metal fittings, fabric, paint, cables,
fittings, wheels, and among other things, an ENGINE.
Using Fir won't add that much to the weight to the finished plane. But this
is a small plane, and whatever the weight difference is will be EXTRA
weight.
Bill C.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Pietenpol-List: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs.
Douglas Fir Piets
According to the text of an article in the EAA Aircraft Building Techniques:
Wood book, fir is approximately 26% heavier than spruce.
Say a Piet built from spruce was 680 lbs. If you built the whole thing from
fir (without reducing dimensions), it would be 826. Based on those calcs....
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs. Douglas Fir Piets
Date: Mar 03, 2008
I think that 826 number would only be true if the entire Piet was
spruce...spruce engine, spruce fittings, etc.
The fact that only a portion of the Piet is actually built from spruce means
that only a portion of the wieght would need to be increased by 26%...
Still a big number no doubt...
JM
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Pietenpol-List: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs.
Douglas Fir Piets
According to the text of an article in the EAA Aircraft Building Techniques:
Wood book, fir is approximately 26% heavier than spruce.
Say a Piet built from spruce was 680 lbs. If you built the whole thing from
fir (without reducing dimensions), it would be 826. Based on those calcs....
Owen Davies wrote:
montanacos wrote:
> My question is on the finished weights of two similar Piet's, one of
> spruce, and one of douglas fir.
Some years ago, a friend built a Piet out of Douglas fir. I can't
remember how much it weighed, though I believe it was a bit heavier than
some. He did say that it wound up tail heavy and that if he were to
build another he would use fir only for the most heavily stressed pieces
and pine for pretty much anything else. He specifically said he'd use
fir only for the spars in the tail and pine for the rest of the empennage.
One online source (http://www.geocities.com/steamgen/woodweights.pdf)
says that Sitka spruce is about 28 lb per cubic foot, while Doug fir
ranges from 30 lb to 34 lb per cubic foot, depending on where it grew.
It's been ages since I last saw the FPL data, but this sounds right.
This is not precisely on point, but a builder named Graham Hansen wrote
in the archives (see the quote on 2003-01-05; I couldn't find the
original message) that he had built both a wood Piet and one with a
steel-tube frame, and the steel turned out to be 35 - 40 lb lighter.
It's probably cheaper, too, if you use modern ERW tube instead of 4130
or whatever Mr. Pietenpol found locally. (This should be an acceptable
substitution. According to the Flying and Glider Manual, a competent
engineer found the tube
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert Gow" <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca>
Subject: straight axle and wheels for sale
Date: Mar 03, 2008
I might be interested. What is the size called on the plans? I assume
brakes would be hard to add and that's why you are building a new set?
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: March 3, 2008 4:45 PM
To: pietenpolgroup
Subject: Pietenpol-List: straight axle and wheels for sale
Hi guys,
I mentioned this before and had some interest, but at the time I wanted
more for them (what I have in them) than what anyone wanted to pay.
I have to build a new set of wheels with brakes, so if anyone wants a
complete, ready to go, brakeless straight axle with two beautiful wire
wheels, email me and I'll send photos.
They are very unique and classic. They are 28" smooth high pressure
clincher tire, which is a WW1 era tire, which is what the first Piets used.
Tubes and tires are easily available. The wheels use a steel rim, stainless
steel spokes laced up by Buchannans. Hub is of classic design using bronze
bushings and a grease fitting for lube. The axle is the standard 4130 tube,
6' long, 1.5" od
Can send pics.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs. Douglas
Fir
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)comcast.net>
Date: Mar 03, 2008
There is probably about 150 pounds of spruce in airframe. This would make the
weight gain more like 40 pounds.
--------
Chris Tracy
WestCoastPiet.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167485#167485
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From: Steve Eldredge <steve(at)byu.edu>
Date: Mar 03, 2008
Subject: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs.
Douglas Fir Piets
Not a stick of spruce in my A-65 powered piet. It is all doug fir. Finish
ed, flying weight is 626lbs. I had to add 20lbs of lead on the engine moun
t and move the wing back 3 inches. Suggestions to used a lighter wood on
the tail is a good one, save the spar is still fir or spruce.
Flew fine for 10 years.
Steve E.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 3:20 PM
Subject: RE: [!! SPAM] Pietenpol-List: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs.
Douglas Fir Piets
Not so fast there, young fella...
The 680 pounds includes a whole lot more than spruce (or fir). That weight
includes all the plywood, glue, metal fittings, fabric, paint, cables, fitt
ings, wheels, and among other things, an ENGINE.
Using Fir won't add that much to the weight to the finished plane. But this
is a small plane, and whatever the weight difference is will be EXTRA weig
ht.
Bill C.
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Pietenpol-List: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs.
Douglas Fir Piets
According to the text of an article in the EAA Aircraft Building Techniques
: Wood book, fir is approximately 26% heavier than spruce.
Say a Piet built from spruce was 680 lbs. If you built the whole thing from
fir (without reducing dimensions), it would be 826. Based on those calcs..
..
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Spruce Alternatives
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)comcast.net>
Date: Mar 03, 2008
Thanks Jack for saving me the effort of typing up that reply. I whole-heartedly
agree with what you are saying. My aircraft grade spruce has cost me about
$1,100 over 6 years. I have more then that in wheels (I have 3 sets, 2 that were
totally inadequate(I was trying to save money using an alternative) and the
real ones on the plane). Its 1/4th the cost of my engine and probably cheaper
then the cost of covering materials. Did I forget to say how much the struts
are going to cost? Some of you need to take a look at the cost of turn buckles
and shackles. You are going to need about 30 turnbuckles and 10 to 15 shackles.
Kind of makes the cost of spruce look better. There is a lot more cost
involved then just price of spruce.
Chris, cutting up Jack's soap box for the wood.
--------
Chris Tracy
WestCoastPiet.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167493#167493
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Date: Mar 03, 2008
From: <kendelmccarley(at)cox.net>
Subject: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs.
Douglas Fir Piets
Yeah, until you let your brother fly it. You want I should walk over and punch
him for you... or at least taunt him a second time?
---- Steve Eldredge wrote:
============
Not a stick of spruce in my A-65 powered piet. It is all doug fir. Finished,
flying weight is 626lbs. I had to add 20lbs of lead on the engine mount and move
the wing back 3 inches. Suggestions to used a lighter wood on the tail is
a good one, save the spar is still fir or spruce.
Flew fine for 10 years.
Steve E.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 3:20 PM
Subject: RE: [!! SPAM] Pietenpol-List: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs. Douglas
Fir Piets
Not so fast there, young fella...
The 680 pounds includes a whole lot more than spruce (or fir). That weight includes
all the plywood, glue, metal fittings, fabric, paint, cables, fittings, wheels,
and among other things, an ENGINE.
Using Fir won't add that much to the weight to the finished plane. But this is
a small plane, and whatever the weight difference is will be EXTRA weight.
Bill C.
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Pietenpol-List: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs. Douglas
Fir Piets
According to the text of an article in the EAA Aircraft Building Techniques: Wood
book, fir is approximately 26% heavier than spruce.
Say a Piet built from spruce was 680 lbs. If you built the whole thing from fir
(without reducing dimensions), it would be 826. Based on those calcs....
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 03, 2008
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Aileron Question
Correct, I would completely finish the wing before cutting out the
aileron.
I forget the actual width of the piano hinge, thought it was narrower
than that, maybe 1 1/2"? Can't recall.
But most are using the cheaper hinge, ( as I did) and not the extruded
one. If the plans call for the hinges from an outhouse door, the cheaper
ones will be fine.
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack T. Textor
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 5:10 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Question
Walt,
Thanks for the reply. It stands to reason I should put the leading
edge ply on also after bracing, correct? On another note, would you
recommend 2" (piano) hinges for the ailerons?
Thanks!
Jack
www.textors.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Spruce Alternatives
From: "bhassel" <bob(at)cozyworld.net>
Date: Mar 03, 2008
I think one of the great things about the Piet is the idea that you can use local
components and build a safe, reliable and affordable aircraft - sort of like
St. Bernard did.
I know there are some incredible looking Piets out there, I've seen the pictures
and I drool. But the truth is that cost is a huge factor for me; so is safety
and so is fun. The ability to find local suppliers helps reduce cost; why
pay for shipping across country on anything that I don't have to. If I have to
spend the money I'd rather have it on the plane rather than on someone else's
truck. Any dollars I can save anywhere can go somewhere else including the
gas tank. I don't have a lot of dollars; they are all valuable. In the end I'll
probably just order from ACS or Wicks but honestly it'll be because of my
level of knowledge about picking out good wood rather than some other reason.
I may not build a beautiful Lindy Award Winner like MikeC and others, it may even
be ugly compared to some of the jewels that I've seen pictures of, but my goal
is affordable flight (I know - oxy-moron - or perhaps straight moron [Laughing]
).
Thanks for the input everyone - this is a great forum for a super aircraft. I
love the differing ideas - they all make me think and learn! It's great to have
everything put into perspective and to scratch a brain cell every once in awhile.
Bob
Santa Fe, NM
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Date: Mar 03, 2008
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Brodhead questions
I'm seriously contemplating a trip to Brodhead and Oshkosh this summer.
I am planning to fly commercial from Orlando to Chicago and rent a car
from there. Is there a motel close by Brodhead, or do some people camp
at the airport for the weekend? I could probably just buy a tent when I
get up there and use it both at Brodhead and at Osh if that is
possible. I'm hoping to have my Piet project finished by the 80th
anniversary and would love to meet some of the guys on the list and
maybe even get a ride in one.
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Baby Ace N39D
Piet Project NX866BC
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From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs.
Douglas Fir Piets
Date: Mar 03, 2008
I am right there with you Steve. Doug Fir is an excellent choice. My
last purchase was $2.49 bd ft. I'll be buying 16' sections again next
week. It is available at local lumber yards and is finish sanded.
Also an early plug for Sun n Fun (April 8-13) for all the new guys on
the list. The Wood workshop at SNF is kind of a Pietenpol central down
there. Several of us volunteer in the shop and are there everyday.
This year I will be bringing a set of wing ribs and spars and we will
construct a pair of wings at the show. I am going to try to also bring
the fuselage (not a Piet) that we built last year.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Eldredge
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 5:18 PM
Subject: RE: [!! SPAM] Pietenpol-List: Finished wieghts of Spruce
Piets vs. Douglas Fir Piets
Not a stick of spruce in my A-65 powered piet. It is all doug fir.
Finished, flying weight is 626lbs. I had to add 20lbs of lead on the
engine mount and move the wing back 3 inches. Suggestions to used a
lighter wood on the tail is a good one, save the spar is still fir or
spruce.
Flew fine for 10 years.
Steve E.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 3:20 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: [!! SPAM] Pietenpol-List: Finished wieghts of Spruce
Piets vs. Douglas Fir Piets
Not so fast there, young fella...
The 680 pounds includes a whole lot more than spruce (or fir). That
weight includes all the plywood, glue, metal fittings, fabric, paint,
cables, fittings, wheels, and among other things, an ENGINE.
Using Fir won't add that much to the weight to the finished plane. But
this is a small plane, and whatever the weight difference is will be
EXTRA weight.
Bill C.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan
Mueller
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 3:36 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Pietenpol-List: Finished wieghts of Spruce
Piets vs. Douglas Fir Piets
According to the text of an article in the EAA Aircraft Building
Techniques: Wood book, fir is approximately 26% heavier than spruce.
Say a Piet built from spruce was 680 lbs. If you built the whole thing
from fir (without reducing dimensions), it would be 826. Based on those
calcs....
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Subject: Re: Spruce Alternatives
From: "allthumbs" <rray032003(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 03, 2008
Some one wrote, go down to Lowe's and get your wood, thats exactly what I intend
to do, for wood working practice I'm building a motorcycle trailer out
of Douglas fir that I purchased from the high grade lumber section,
you can take you time and select the best boards, some of the grain
thats next to the edge runs the entire 18 feet along the edge with no
run out. Eight growth rings per inch, no pitch pockets and it is very
strong, I love this forum I've found a home. Feel free to speak your
mind to me at any time it could save my life.
Thanks,
--------
Russell
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From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs. Douglas Fir Piets
Date: Mar 03, 2008
The Flying and Glider is great to look over the plans and see how things go
together, but there are alot of differences between the F & G and the 1934
plans. There are minor differences in the dems of the wing profile and
major differences in the fuse and tail feathers. Take it from someone who
found out the hard way, better to not the mix plans.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: montanacos <tj_moody(at)yahoo.com>
> To:
> Date: 3/3/2008 1:28:41 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs. Douglas Fir
Piets
>
> I have the Flying and Glider Manual that covers the Piet, and have
thought of drawing the rib on autocad and building the ribs until I
purchase the complete set of drawings including the long fuse for the
corvair engine. I don't think there would be any copy right issues with
that approach since the information I have comes from the Flying and
gliders manual.
>
> Thanks in advance and I hope to start soon.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brodhead questions
From: "=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Date: Mar 04, 2008
For what its worth I expect Ill be stuck in Rockford Ill that weekend with nothing
to do ironically Saturday the 18th is my birthday so being out of town and
stuck I may take a drive to kill some time same like last year and like last
year loose my way and end up in broadhead. Seems awfual to have that happen again
2 years in a row. I suspect Ill find my way back to Midway some time on Sunday
should anyone else get stuck,lost or in need of a ride. They should let
me know so while I may not where I am I may end up in Broadhead its hard getting
old and lost all at the same time while on business
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:01:54
To:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead questions
I'm seriously contemplating a trip to Brodhead and Oshkosh this summer.
I am planning to fly commercial from Orlando to Chicago and rent a car
from there. Is there a motel close by Brodhead, or do some people camp
at the airport for the weekend? I could probably just buy a tent when I
get up there and use it both at Brodhead and at Osh if that is
possible. I'm hoping to have my Piet project finished by the 80th
anniversary and would love to meet some of the guys on the list and
maybe even get a ride in one.
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Baby Ace N39D
Piet Project NX866BC
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 03, 2008
From: Owen Davies <owen5819(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Spruce Alternatives
allthumbs wrote:
> Some one wrote, go down to Lowe's and get your wood, thats exactly what I intend
to do (etc.)
That was my plan. Unfortunately, the wood they carry at Lowe's in this
area all seems to net out at 10/16, not even an honest 3/4. This leaves
me looking for alternative sources. Not that fir will be hard to find.
Or generic white wood for the most lightly stressed parts.
For that matter, a little more than half-way down the east coast of
Florida, spar-quality spruce is not hard to come by, if I feel like
paying for it.
Bob in Santa Fe: Grading wood for aircraft use is not that hard. Find a
copy of AC43-13a, and it will tell you everything you need to know.
(Unfortunately, the link I had doesn't work any more.)
Owen
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe(at)calply.com>
Subject: Re: Spruce Alternatives
Date: Mar 03, 2008
Bob,
Being VERY picky, I have found usable poplar at Lowe's.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group
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Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 11:14 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Alternatives
I've worked some with metal and some with composites/fiberglass/MSG but this
wood stuff is new to me.
I'd like to find a workable solution because of the expense of the spruce
and getting it all the way down here in the southwest. Of course living in
the desert southwest means aircraft wood is not a naturally occurring
entity.
I'm not sure I can keep all of my brain cells aligned in this discussion but
please don't let it stop. If I could go down to my local Lowe's and find
reasonably priced/acceptable wood (still learning that one as well) I'd love
it!
Bob
Santa Fe, NM
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe(at)calply.com>
Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs.
Douglas Fir
Date: Mar 03, 2008
Don't forget, AC43.13 allows the use of Douglas Fir in a "lesser dimension"
as it is stronger than Spruce. That would theoretically mean that the weight
may be closer, but the lesser dimension is not provided...
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: [!! SPAM] Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs.
Douglas Fir
There is probably about 150 pounds of spruce in airframe. This would make
the weight gain more like 40 pounds.
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Date: Mar 03, 2008
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Spruce Alternatives
AC 43.13-1B is the latest version of that circular. If you go to:
http://rgl.faa.gov/
....you can find PDF's of that and any other AC's and assorted docs.
Ryan
allthumbs wrote:
> Some one wrote, go down to Lowe's and get your wood, thats exactly what I intend
to do (etc.)
That was my plan. Unfortunately, the wood they carry at Lowe's in this
area all seems to net out at 10/16, not even an honest 3/4. This leaves
me looking for alternative sources. Not that fir will be hard to find.
Or generic white wood for the most lightly stressed parts.
For that matter, a little more than half-way down the east coast of
Florida, spar-quality spruce is not hard to come by, if I feel like
paying for it.
Bob in Santa Fe: Grading wood for aircraft use is not that hard. Find a
copy of AC43-13a, and it will tell you everything you need to know.
(Unfortunately, the link I had doesn't work any more.)
Owen
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Subject: Re: Spruce Alternatives
From: "allthumbs" <rray032003(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 03, 2008
Thnaks
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Russell
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From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Brodhead camping
Date: Mar 04, 2008
I've never stayed at the are motels, but I know there are some around,
someone else can answer that one.
Camping is allowed, they ask for a donation which is very fair, and
there are showers.
My wife and I camp each year we can make it and it's one lf the
highlights of our year.
Douwe
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From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: stainless tank
Date: Mar 04, 2008
Thanks all for your input, glad we have this group to save one from
making stupid choices. Stainless is way too heavy.
Douwe
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Date: Mar 04, 2008
From: Owen Davies <owen5819(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Spruce Alternatives
Ryan Mueller wrote:
> AC 43.13-1B is the latest version of that circular. If you go to:
>
> http://rgl.faa.gov/
>
> ....you can find PDF's of that and any other AC's and assorted docs.
Got it! Many thanks.
Owen
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Date: Mar 04, 2008
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Dan H. and Poplar Grove
Dan, We should be up at Brodhead this summer in Dad's piet, and plan on stopping
off at Poplar Grove as a last fuel stop on the way. Some on the list may rember
the story of our last Brodhead attempt in 06 which ended in a 600 mile trailer
ride from Poplar Grove due to the engine acting up. Not sure if we'll be
up that way on the Thurs or Fri before it all starts, But if you see a blue
and orange piet come in give us a shout, we'd love to see your project.
Shad Bell
NX92GB
P.S. Tell Steve Thomas, Shad And Gary Bell say hello, the guys from Ohio who
borrowed his trailer a couple years ago.
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Date: Mar 04, 2008
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs. Douglas
Fir Piets
Yes...if I had just kept my yap shut and read a little farther down in the article,
I would have noticed that it said the following:
"If your spruce ship weighs, say, 800 pounds empty you would have probably around
100 to 150 lbs of wood in it. With fir your ship would pick up 25 to 35 lbs
more, which isn't very much, all things considered."
Disregard my previous stupidity, if you would.
Ryan
Bill Church wrote: Not so fast there, young fella...
The 680 pounds includes a whole lot more than spruce (or fir). That weight includes
all the plywood, glue, metal fittings, fabric, paint, cables, fittings,
wheels, and among other things, an ENGINE.
Using Fir won't add that much to the weight to the finished plane. But this is
a small plane, and whatever the weight difference is will be EXTRA weight.
Bill C.
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Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Pietenpol-List: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs. Douglas
Fir Piets
According to the text of an article in the EAA Aircraft Building Techniques: Wood
book, fir is approximately 26% heavier than spruce.
Say a Piet built from spruce was 680 lbs. If you built the whole thing from fir
(without reducing dimensions), it would be 826. Based on those calcs....
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Subject: Re: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs. Douglas Fir Piets
From: "montanacos" <tj_moody(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 04, 2008
Thanks for the advise on waiting until I have the plans. I certainly don't want
to waste time and money. Just the kind of input that I am looking for.
Have a good day
Tim
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From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 04, 2008
Subject: (no subject)
Pieters,
Would someone figure for me how much weight in water would one gallon milk
jug support? Thanks
Nathan
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From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: stainless tank
Date: Mar 04, 2008
Douwe
If you are interested in checking out the realistic weight of stainless
tanks, I have 2 wing tanks that I will be bringing to Sun n Fun to sell
at the Fly mart. They are 3/4" too long to fit into the Piet. They
aren't all that heavy.
Dick N.
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To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: stainless tank
Thanks all for your input, glad we have this group to save one from
making stupid choices. Stainless is way too heavy.
Douwe
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Subject: (no subject)
Date: Mar 04, 2008
From: <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca>
1 gallon of water weighs 10lbs if that's any help.
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Pieters,
Would someone figure for me how much weight in water would one gallon
milk jug support? Thanks
Nathan
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From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date: Mar 04, 2008
Actually, a gal of water weighs 8.33 lbs.
Dick N.
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Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
1 gallon of water weighs 10lbs if that's any help.
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Pieters,
Would someone figure for me how much weight in water would one gallon
milk jug support? Thanks
Nathan
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Subject: (no subject)
Date: Mar 04, 2008
From: <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca>
That's your gallon.Our gallon is bigger.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick
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Sent: March 4, 2008 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Actually, a gal of water weighs 8.33 lbs.
Dick N.
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Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
1 gallon of water weighs 10lbs if that's any help.
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Pieters,
Would someone figure for me how much weight in water would one
gallon milk jug support? Thanks
Nathan
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From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 04, 2008
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Obviously I misstated my question. Let me put it from a practical view.
If a 750 lb Aeronca with a 190 lb pilot were to find himself floating in the
gulf of mexico how many EMPTY SEALED gallon milk jugs should he have stached
aboard to keep he and the Aeronca floating until???????????
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Subject: ping pong balls
Date: Mar 04, 2008
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
So Corky, are you planning another nonstop solo flight from San Diego to
Honolulu in your new Aeronca ? Wasn't the Fisherman in Florida
wanting
to make his Piet buoyant when he embarked on his never-to-be-realized
flight to his beloved Belize ?
Don't forget to fill your tires with helium:)
Mike C.
in Ohio
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Date: Mar 04, 2008
From: John Egan <johnegan99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Let's look at altimeters
Hello Group,
I am interested in learning what type of altimeter people like to use in their
Piets as well as how well they like the function of thier altimeter. I would
like to hear thoughts when comparing sensitive, non-sensitive and uma altimeters.
I am in the building stage. This plane will only fly on clear days where the
ground will be visible and the Piet will fly at way less than 10,000 feet above
sea level.
I have a vintage altimeter where the needle always points straight up, and the
face rotates to a given altitude, however this altimeter can not be corrected
for pressure changes. I like the idea of having the needle move (not the face),
so at a quick glance, a person can quickly see approximately what the altitude
is by needle location. I'm sure other people have valid preferances that may
be interesting to hear.
Thank you in advance!
John E.
in Wisconsin waiting for the shop to warm up this spring
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Subject: (no subject)
Date: Mar 04, 2008
From: <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca>
The sharks are going to get you first anyway.Use Archamede's principle
for this one.It's a displacement formula which at this time escapes me.
No not archive
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Obviously I misstated my question. Let me put it from a practical view.
If a 750 lb Aeronca with a 190 lb pilot were to find himself floating in
the gulf of mexico how many EMPTY SEALED gallon milk jugs should he have
stached aboard to keep he and the Aeronca floating until???????????
Nathan again
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Date: Mar 04, 2008
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Brodhead questions
Just for your info, flying commercial into Milwaukee is closer to Broadhead.
Rick
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Ben Charvet wrote:
>
> I'm seriously contemplating a trip to Brodhead and Oshkosh this summer.
> I am planning to fly commercial from Orlando to Chicago and rent a car
> from there. Is there a motel close by Brodhead, or do some people camp
> at the airport for the weekend? I could probably just buy a tent when I
> get up there and use it both at Brodhead and at Osh if that is
> possible. I'm hoping to have my Piet project finished by the 80th
> anniversary and would love to meet some of the guys on the list and
> maybe even get a ride in one.
>
> Ben Charvet
> Mims, Fl
> Baby Ace N39D
> Piet Project NX866BC
>
>
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Castle Rock, Colorado
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 04, 2008
Subject: Re: Dan H. and Poplar Grove
Shad,
I will be in Brodhead on Friday, but if you come in Thursday give me a call
on my cell 815 298-5680 and I would love to show you and your dad my airplane.
Yes Steve Thomas is a wonderful man and we here (the people who live at
Poplar Grove) are very fortunate to have him as the benevolent man in charge of
things.
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From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date: Mar 04, 2008
Didn't we do this same calculation for Corkey a couple of years ago
using ping pong balls? Was he going to invade Cuba or some such thing
back then?
The basic answer is 113 to achive neutral bouancy, theoretically. That
equalls approximatly 15 cu/ft.
Maybe you should carry 3-4 innertubes and a tire pump to save some
space.
Dick
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From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Obviously I misstated my question. Let me put it from a practical
view.
If a 750 lb Aeronca with a 190 lb pilot were to find himself floating
in the gulf of mexico how many EMPTY SEALED gallon milk jugs should he
have stached aboard to keep he and the Aeronca floating until???????????
Nathan again
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Date: Mar 04, 2008
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Dick, have you priced ping pong balls lately???????????????????
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Date: Mar 04, 2008
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Actually its 8.322
In a message dated 3/4/2008 12:34:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
horzpool(at)goldengate.net writes:
Actually, a gal of water weighs 8.33 lbs.
Dick N.
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1 gallon of water weighs 10lbs if that=99s any help.
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Would someone figure for me how much weight in water would one gallon milk
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Nathan
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Subject: (no subject)
Date: Mar 04, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
Why do you need the airplane to float? Do you think it will be worth
much after gettting a dunking in salt water? Just buy a pair of water
wings.
Or better yet, build a pair of floats for it and turn it into a seaplane
Jack
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Didn't we do this same calculation for Corkey a couple of years ago
using ping pong balls? Was he going to invade Cuba or some such thing
back then?
The basic answer is 113 to achive neutral bouancy, theoretically. That
equalls approximatly 15 cu/ft.
Maybe you should carry 3-4 innertubes and a tire pump to save some
space.
Dick
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Obviously I misstated my question. Let me put it from a
practical view.
If a 750 lb Aeronca with a 190 lb pilot were to find himself
floating in the gulf of mexico how many EMPTY SEALED gallon milk jugs
should he have stached aboard to keep he and the Aeronca floating
until???????????
Nathan again
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Date: Mar 04, 2008
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Brodhead questions
If you don't mind connecting flights you can even fly in to Madison for about $20
to $40 more. That puts you a hop, skip, and jump from Brodhead. Then you don't
have to deal with Milwaukee (don't get me wrong, dealing with Gen'l Mitchell
is far better than either Chicago airports). Saves some hassle and drive time.
Plus, if you fly in to Madison you can go over to the general aviation terminal
on the east side of the field and eat at the Jet Room. A fine diner in and
of it's own right, plus the whole west wall is solid glass looking out onto
the ramp and the airport. Fantastic food, great atmosphere...you can't beat it.
Ryan
Rick Holland wrote: Just for your info, flying commercial
into Milwaukee is closer to Broadhead.
Rick
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Date: Mar 04, 2008
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: How not to be a responsible member of the aviation community
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Subject: Re: (no subject)
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)comcast.net>
Date: Mar 04, 2008
My best non-engineer guess
Buoyancy of the jug equals weight of water displaced
F=(Vw)
F= force (in this case buoyancy)
V=volume of fluid displaced in cubic feet (1 gal=0.1336806 cubic feet)
w = specific weight of the fluid (Sea water which is slightly heaver then fresh
water weighs in at about 64 pounds per cubic feet. Anyone know the actual density
of sea water in the Gulf?)
So 64 x 0.1336806 = 8.5555584 pounds per gallon at full submersion
Now Cork woops I mean Nathans plane sitting in the water will weigh 940 pounds.
If we assume the plane has zero flotation on its own, it will require
940 / 8.5555584 = 109 gallons of floatation.
Lets round up to 110 to account for the added weight of the jugs.
So 110 gal x 0.1336806 = 14.70 cubic feet of space Nathan needs to find
Milk here in California is $3.99 per gallon so the cost of flotation will be $438.90.
However, you could probably scrounge around and get them for free.
Containment of the jugs post water landing might be a problem. In addition, the
plane will want to float nose down. You will want to have the flotation in front
of and below the pilot so you will stay high and dry until you can get out.
NO sense in placing it behind you as all the rescue people will see is the
tail bobbing up and down in the water. And you probably didn't have time to get
out.
--------
Chris Tracy
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167691#167691
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Date: Mar 04, 2008
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: How not to be a responsible member of the aviation
community
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From: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen(at)ptialaska.net>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date: Mar 04, 2008
If memory serves right, Corky was trying to figure out how many plastic
gallon milk jugs he needed on board to make his Piete float, think it
was the Cuban invasion thing.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Navratil
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Didn't we do this same calculation for Corkey a couple of years ago
using ping pong balls? Was he going to invade Cuba or some such thing
back then?
The basic answer is 113 to achive neutral bouancy, theoretically.
That equalls approximatly 15 cu/ft.
Maybe you should carry 3-4 innertubes and a tire pump to save some
space.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Obviously I misstated my question. Let me put it from a practical
view.
If a 750 lb Aeronca with a 190 lb pilot were to find himself
floating in the gulf of mexico how many EMPTY SEALED gallon milk jugs
should he have stached aboard to keep he and the Aeronca floating
until???????????
Nathan again
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From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date: Mar 04, 2008
Corky, forget the milk jug thingy and buy booze in plastic jugs. It'll
make your stay at sea a whole lot happier. Besides, you can only drink
just so much milk.
Gene
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From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Let's look at altimeters
Date: Mar 04, 2008
These are sweet, but pricey......
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADM
E%3AB%3ADBS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=190202277742
----- Original Message -----
From: John Egan
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:55 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Let's look at altimeters
Hello Group,
I am interested in learning what type of altimeter people like to use
in their Piets as well as how well they like the function of thier
altimeter. I would like to hear thoughts when comparing sensitive,
non-sensitive and uma altimeters. I am in the building stage. This plane
will only fly on clear days where the ground will be visible and the
Piet will fly at way less than 10,000 feet above sea level.
I have a vintage altimeter where the needle always points straight up,
and the face rotates to a given altitude, however this altimeter can not
be corrected for pressure changes. I like the idea of having the needle
move (not the face), so at a quick glance, a person can quickly see
approximately what the altitude is by needle location. I'm sure other
people have valid preferances that may be interesting to hear.
Thank you in advance!
John E.
in Wisconsin waiting for the shop to warm up this spring
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From: "Gene Rambo" <GeneRambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Let's look at altimeters
Date: Mar 04, 2008
John, in the non-sensitive altimeter you describe, the needle DOES move
when you start ascending, just not when you turn the knob. Set it to
zero on the ground and the needle moves up as you climb. There is
absolutely nothing wrong with this, it is very light, simple and
accurate. All you ever really need to know is an approximate pattern
altitude from time to time. Otherwise, the Piet doesn't need an
altimeter.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: John Egan<mailto:johnegan99(at)yahoo.com>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 12:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Let's look at altimeters
Hello Group,
I am interested in learning what type of altimeter people like to use
in their Piets as well as how well they like the function of thier
altimeter. I would like to hear thoughts when comparing sensitive,
non-sensitive and uma altimeters. I am in the building stage. This plane
will only fly on clear days where the ground will be visible and the
Piet will fly at way less than 10,000 feet above sea level.
I have a vintage altimeter where the needle always points straight up,
and the face rotates to a given altitude, however this altimeter can not
be corrected for pressure changes. I like the idea of having the needle
move (not the face), so at a quick glance, a person can quickly see
approximately what the altitude is by needle location. I'm sure other
people have valid preferances that may be interesting to hear.
Thank you in advance!
John E.
in Wisconsin waiting for the shop to warm up this spring
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From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: ping pong balls
Date: Mar 04, 2008
Michael:
Ping Pong balls are so old news - - - -
inflated prophylactics is where its at, Back in 1999 Marcelo Matocq a
motorcycle mechanic from Argentina flew his ultralight via the caribean
to S&Fand later Oshskosh he filled his wings with inflated condoms and
had an air matress riged with a fire extinguisher ready to be deployed
under his seat in the eventuality of a water landing.
http://www.hangar57.com/Cristobal%20Colon%20.htm
http://www.southern-aviator.com/editorial/articledetail.lasso?-token.key=
1119&-token.src=column&-nothing
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 12:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ping pong balls
So Corky, are you planning another nonstop solo flight from San Diego
to Honolulu in your new Aeronca ? Wasn't the Fisherman in Florida
wanting
to make his Piet buoyant when he embarked on his never-to-be-realized
flight to his beloved Belize ?
Don't forget to fill your tires with helium:)
Mike C.
in Ohio
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Date: Mar 04, 2008
Subject: Re: (no subject)
From: MaxHegler <MaxHegler(at)msn.com>
Actually, a gal of water weighs 8.3452641 lbs. ;)
Max
On 3/4/08 11:30 AM, "Dick Navratil" wrote:
> Actually, a gal of water weighs 8.33 lbs.
> Dick N.
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>> ----- Original Message -----
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>> From: harvey.rule(at)bell.ca
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>> 1 gallon of water weighs 10lbs if that=B9s any help.
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>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> Isablcorky(at)aol.com
>> Sent: March 4, 2008 12:00 PM
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>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
>>
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>> Pieters,
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>> Would someone figure for me how much weight in water would one gallon m
ilk
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Date: Mar 05, 2008
From: "jimboyer(at)hughes.net" <jimboyer(at)hughes.net>
Subject: Re: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs.
Douglas Fir Piets
Bad calculations Ryan.
Your 680 pound Piet only has about 100 pounds of wood in it. So its possible a
fir Piet might be 26 pounds heavier.
Jim
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Date: Mar 04, 2008
From: Owen Davies <owen5819(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Let's look at altimeters
gcardinal wrote:
> *These are sweet, but pricey......*
This reminds me of an aviation artifact I once REALLY wanted to buy. It
sold perhaps ten years ago for $1000, which I didn't have at the time.
No doubt it would have been wrong of me to expose such a precious thing
to danger, but I would have mounted it in any airplane I flew.
It was Wrongway Corrigan's compass!
Owen
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Date: Mar 04, 2008
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Dan H. and Poplar Grove
Say Shad.....
Since you have extensive engine building knowledge on corvairs,.......I could
bring my corvair engine ready to be assembled for a engine build seminar?...
Ken
shad bell wrote:
Dan, We should be up at Brodhead this summer in Dad's piet, and plan on stopping
off at Poplar Grove as a last fuel stop on the way. Some on the list may
rember the story of our last Brodhead attempt in 06 which ended in a 600 mile
trailer ride from Poplar Grove due to the engine acting up. Not sure if we'll
be up that way on the Thurs or Fri before it all starts, But if you see a blue
and orange piet come in give us a shout, we'd love to see your project.
Shad Bell
NX92GB
P.S. Tell Steve Thomas, Shad And Gary Bell say hello, the guys from Ohio who
borrowed his trailer a couple years ago.
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Date: Mar 04, 2008
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: (no subject)
A southern gallon "mud water" which weights just about 10.2lbs. That aint no coffee
either!
harvey.rule(at)bell.ca wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
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Thats your gallon.Our gallon is bigger.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Navratil
Sent: March 4, 2008 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Actually, a gal of water weighs 8.33 lbs.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: harvey.rule(at)bell.ca
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:19 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
1 gallon of water weighs 10lbs if thats any help.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Sent: March 4, 2008 12:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Pieters,
Would someone figure for me how much weight in water would one gallon milk
jug support? Thanks
Nathan
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 47 Msgs - 03/04/08
Date: Mar 05, 2008
From: tbyh(at)aol.com
There aren't many motels in Brodhead but there are a couple in Monroe which is
about 10 miles west. Or, there are lots of motels around Janesville which is about
15 miles east of Brodhead. There is ONE shower on the Brodhead field -- better
get there early as it isn't long before the hot water is gone -- I'm talking
before 6:00 a.m. which is when I got there last year and I was third in line.
I will claim the fastest shower ever at less than two minutes, in and out.
?
By the way, I took some pics of Don Emch's "wake-up call" first flight of the day
on?Saturday morning of last year's Brodhead Piet fly-in.?5:46 a.m. liftoff
-- I looked at my watch. I took the pics?as I walked over to the shower. How do
I post those pics on here? I posted some pics once before?but I forget how...
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
Date: Mar 05, 2008
Boy did you ever light off a string of Chinese firecrackers, Corky. I get home,
sit down to my computer to read the Pietenpol list digest and there are 47 messages,
most of them about milk jugs but only one guy gives you the answer to
your question.
Sure, the human body is mostly composed of water and most of us will float in salt
water without hanging onto milk jugs, but I'm not one of them (not enough
body fat). But just for argument's sake assume you will float without jugs and
the airplane weighs about 800 lbs., and a gallon jug of water weighs about 8
lbs., you'll need about 100 jugs to float your boat. Er, Aeronca that is.
Now you can get all "Cat In The Hat" and start figuring out where to put them:
"I'll stash them in the seat, I'll stash them by my feet. I'll stash them in
the tail, stash them where they won't fail"... good luck with the installation
and also good luck with preflighting all 100 of those puppies. [Questions for
the sticklers for regulations: are the jugs to be considered required equipment
and the airplane unairworthy if one or more of them is not properly sealed?
Should a logbook entry be made if the jugs are installed? Can jugs even be
carried in a certified aircraft?]
As to a group flight out of Key West, I'd be game for that but we'll have to see
how brother Raul feels about having "yanquis" invading his island and hauling
away all those 1950s-era cars that they have over there. And just promise to
let me share your water jugs if we go down in the Gulf.
As to the other thread about altimeters, I've never had 41CC above 3000 MSL and
have just not been curious enough about the airspace above that to want to venture
there. Been up there, seen that, and the radio reception is great from
up there but I ain't got no radio in my Piet.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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From: "Robert Gow" <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca>
Subject: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
Date: Mar 05, 2008
Didn't Lindbergh fill the wings of the Ryan with ping pong balls for this
reason? Or is that an urban legend? I think all the fuel was in that
fuselage mounted tank in front of him.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Sent: March 5, 2008 9:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
Boy did you ever light off a string of Chinese firecrackers, Corky. I get
home, sit down to my computer to read the Pietenpol list digest and there
are 47 messages, most of them about milk jugs but only one guy gives you the
answer to your question.
Sure, the human body is mostly composed of water and most of us will float
in salt water without hanging onto milk jugs, but I'm not one of them (not
enough body fat). But just for argument's sake assume you will float
without jugs and the airplane weighs about 800 lbs., and a gallon jug of
water weighs about 8 lbs., you'll need about 100 jugs to float your boat.
Er, Aeronca that is.
Now you can get all "Cat In The Hat" and start figuring out where to put
them: "I'll stash them in the seat, I'll stash them by my feet. I'll stash
them in the tail, stash them where they won't fail"... good luck with the
installation and also good luck with preflighting all 100 of those puppies.
[Questions for the sticklers for regulations: are the jugs to be considered
required equipment and the airplane unairworthy if one or more of them is
not properly sealed? Should a logbook entry be made if the jugs are
installed? Can jugs even be carried in a certified aircraft?]
As to a group flight out of Key West, I'd be game for that but we'll have to
see how brother Raul feels about having "yanquis" invading his island and
hauling away all those 1950s-era cars that they have over there. And just
promise to let me share your water jugs if we go down in the Gulf.
As to the other thread about altimeters, I've never had 41CC above 3000 MSL
and have just not been curious enough about the airspace above that to want
to venture there. Been up there, seen that, and the radio reception is
great from up there but I ain't got no radio in my Piet.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 05, 2008
Subject: Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
No ping pong balls in the "Spirit". Charles had 5 fuel tanks. Fuselage,
Nose, Center Right and Left Wing tanks with capacity of over 400 gals. Talk about
balls, he had 'em.
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Subject: Re: Weight of water- the last word
From: "MikeD" <mjdt(at)auracom.com>
Date: Mar 05, 2008
CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca wrote:
> Funny thing is, the same car sold in the US somehow has magicaly
> aquired much better mpg sold in Victoria. Now how could that be! :-)
>
> Clif
>
Thanks to the Imperial system, not only are our gallons bigger and better, so are
our pints (sip... ahhhh!). And the beer that goes in 'em..
--------
Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167830#167830
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
Date: Mar 05, 2008
Oscar:
No to mention what would happen to all those jugs when you climb to
altitude.
Ever had a bag of chips in a plane pop at 9000K ft?
I have and though technically not a true emergency I can tell you you'll
need a new pair of shorts after that experience.
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:15 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
>
>
> Boy did you ever light off a string of Chinese firecrackers, Corky. I get
home, sit down to my computer to read the Pietenpol list digest and there
are 47 messages, most of them about milk jugs but only one guy gives you the
answer to your question.
>
> Sure, the human body is mostly composed of water and most of us will float
in salt water without hanging onto milk jugs, but I'm not one of them (not
enough body fat). But just for argument's sake assume you will float
without jugs and the airplane weighs about 800 lbs., and a gallon jug of
water weighs about 8 lbs., you'll need about 100 jugs to float your boat.
Er, Aeronca that is.
>
> Now you can get all "Cat In The Hat" and start figuring out where to put
them: "I'll stash them in the seat, I'll stash them by my feet. I'll stash
them in the tail, stash them where they won't fail"... good luck with the
installation and also good luck with preflighting all 100 of those puppies.
[Questions for the sticklers for regulations: are the jugs to be considered
required equipment and the airplane unairworthy if one or more of them is
not properly sealed? Should a logbook entry be made if the jugs are
installed? Can jugs even be carried in a certified aircraft?]
>
> As to a group flight out of Key West, I'd be game for that but we'll have
to see how brother Raul feels about having "yanquis" invading his island and
hauling away all those 1950s-era cars that they have over there. And just
promise to let me share your water jugs if we go down in the Gulf.
>
> As to the other thread about altimeters, I've never had 41CC above 3000
MSL and have just not been curious enough about the airspace above that to
want to venture there. Been up there, seen that, and the radio reception is
great from up there but I ain't got no radio in my Piet.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
Subject: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
Date: Mar 05, 2008
> Ever had a bag of chips in a plane pop at 9000K ft?
No, but all my Red Vines exploded while on a commercial flight.
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: chip bag exploding, turbulence over Chicago....war stories
Date: Mar 05, 2008
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
All this talk of high adventure overwater flying, marine creatures
feeding on wayward Pietenpol pilots at
sea has caused me to recall a fine sunny but cool summer day heading
back from Wisconsin around
the perimeter of Chicago, namely Aurora, Illinois. After looking at
Google Maps satellite view I realized
that my flight path took me almost directly over where that scumbag Drew
Peterson lives I realized
that he's not far from Clow Airport where I landed for fuel and lunch.
I digress.
Did you ever park your Pietenpol with all your bags packed in a front
fabric 'sling' that is snapped into the
perimeter of the front seat (with front stick removed from handy little
front socket) and have your water bottle
leak onto your sweatshirt and jacket while you were camping overnight,
only to find out that if you didn't
wear those items you would freeze on your ride home ? Although
incredibly refreshing on the ground
when you've almost experienced heat exhaustion and dehydration in
Wisconsin during the summer,
a Canadian high pressure system will cause your teeth to chatter rapidly
at any altitude in an Air Camper
in July. Such was the case as I flew south in my wet sweatshirt and
semi-wet jacket. Have you ever
fumbled with a sectional to see which tall towers to miss with numb
fingers ? Who would have ever
packed gloves in July for a flight to Wisconsin ? Have you ever
gotten out your ziplock bag of hard
candies in that rough air coming down from Canada and ended up dropping
it without even yanking a solitary
piece of candy from the bag before some negative then positive jolts
send the bag crashing to your mahogany
floorboards, spewing candy all over the place ? Have you ever tried
to pee in one of those Little Red Plastic
jewels in flight while in this very turbulent, cool air mass over
Chicagoland while holding the stick between
your knees and trying to overcome the shrinkage factor because you're
too prideful to land to pee since
you just took off not less than 30 minutes ago and you have a full 2
hours of fuel yet to burn on an otherwise
very pretty day ? Have you ? You haven't lived then....::))
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 05, 2008
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: chip bag exploding, turbulence over Chicago....war
stories
Mike
You just reminded me to add one more item to my Pietenpol cross country
checklist: FloMax (100 mg).
Rick
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] <
michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> wrote:
> All this talk of high adventure overwater flying, marine creatures
> feeding on wayward Pietenpol pilots at
> sea has caused me to recall a fine sunny but cool summer day heading back
> from Wisconsin around
> the perimeter of Chicago, namely Aurora, Illinois. After looking at
> Google Maps satellite view I realized
> that my flight path took me almost directly over where that scumbag Drew
> Peterson lives I realized
> that he's not far from Clow Airport where I landed for fuel and lunch. I
> digress.
>
> Did you ever park your Pietenpol with all your bags packed in a front
> fabric 'sling' that is snapped into the
> perimeter of the front seat (with front stick removed from handy little
> front socket) and have your water bottle
> leak onto your sweatshirt and jacket while you were camping overnight,
> only to find out that if you didn't
> wear those items you would freeze on your ride home ? Although
> incredibly refreshing on the ground
> when you've almost experienced heat exhaustion and dehydration in
> Wisconsin during the summer,
> a Canadian high pressure system will cause your teeth to chatter rapidly
> at any altitude in an Air Camper
> in July. Such was the case as I flew south in my wet sweatshirt and
> semi-wet jacket. Have you ever
> fumbled with a sectional to see which tall towers to miss with numb
> fingers ? Who would have ever
> packed gloves in July for a flight to Wisconsin ? Have you ever gotten
> out your ziplock bag of hard
> candies in that rough air coming down from Canada and ended up dropping it
> without even yanking a solitary
> piece of candy from the bag before some negative then positive jolts send
> the bag crashing to your mahogany
> floorboards, spewing candy all over the place ? Have you ever tried to
> pee in one of those Little Red Plastic
> jewels in flight while in this very turbulent, cool air mass over
> Chicagoland while holding the stick between
> your knees and trying to overcome the shrinkage factor because you're too
> prideful to land to pee since
> you just took off not less than 30 minutes ago and you have a full 2 hours
> of fuel yet to burn on an otherwise
> very pretty day ? Have you ? You haven't lived then....::))
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 05, 2008
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: chip bag exploding, turbulence over Chicago....war
stories
Mike
You just reminded me to add one more item to my Pietenpol cross country
checklist: FloMax (100 mg).
Rick
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] <
michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> wrote:
> All this talk of high adventure overwater flying, marine creatures
> feeding on wayward Pietenpol pilots at
> sea has caused me to recall a fine sunny but cool summer day heading back
> from Wisconsin around
> the perimeter of Chicago, namely Aurora, Illinois. After looking at
> Google Maps satellite view I realized
> that my flight path took me almost directly over where that scumbag Drew
> Peterson lives I realized
> that he's not far from Clow Airport where I landed for fuel and lunch. I
> digress.
>
> Did you ever park your Pietenpol with all your bags packed in a front
> fabric 'sling' that is snapped into the
> perimeter of the front seat (with front stick removed from handy little
> front socket) and have your water bottle
> leak onto your sweatshirt and jacket while you were camping overnight,
> only to find out that if you didn't
> wear those items you would freeze on your ride home ? Although
> incredibly refreshing on the ground
> when you've almost experienced heat exhaustion and dehydration in
> Wisconsin during the summer,
> a Canadian high pressure system will cause your teeth to chatter rapidly
> at any altitude in an Air Camper
> in July. Such was the case as I flew south in my wet sweatshirt and
> semi-wet jacket. Have you ever
> fumbled with a sectional to see which tall towers to miss with numb
> fingers ? Who would have ever
> packed gloves in July for a flight to Wisconsin ? Have you ever gotten
> out your ziplock bag of hard
> candies in that rough air coming down from Canada and ended up dropping it
> without even yanking a solitary
> piece of candy from the bag before some negative then positive jolts send
> the bag crashing to your mahogany
> floorboards, spewing candy all over the place ? Have you ever tried to
> pee in one of those Little Red Plastic
> jewels in flight while in this very turbulent, cool air mass over
> Chicagoland while holding the stick between
> your knees and trying to overcome the shrinkage factor because you're too
> prideful to land to pee since
> you just took off not less than 30 minutes ago and you have a full 2 hours
> of fuel yet to burn on an otherwise
> very pretty day ? Have you ? You haven't lived then....::))
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
Date: Mar 05, 2008
OK that was a typo - - - 9000 feet is about as good as the old Arrow will
go!!
We did spend a few frightful minutes with dreadful visions of broken spars
and such trying to figure what had fallen off the plane before we finally
figured it out and had a good laugh.
Now that I think of it I remember Marcello Matocq reports he had the same
problem even with his inflated prophylactics and it scared him just as much
till he figured it out.
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
> Let's see...
>
> K represents 1000, so 9000K feet would represent 9,000,000 feet.
>
> Michael, you didn't tell us you were an astronaut.
> Probably not going to get out of the earth's atmosphere in a Piet, so it
> shouldn't be a problem.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 05, 2008
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
This reminded me....... when my instructor and I left for flight instruction in
a Cessna 150, got to altitude and started some lazy 8's. WE both started to smell
burning wires but did not see any smoke nor any fire. He mentioned, "Don't
worry! If the damned plane wants to burn let it! We'll practice fast landings
and fast exits if we need to!" Need-less-to-say, nothing ever materialized of
the burning wires and we kept going for another hours on instruction.....
Ken H.
Michael Silvius wrote:
OK that was a typo - - - 9000 feet is about as good as the old Arrow will
go!!
We did spend a few frightful minutes with dreadful visions of broken spars
and such trying to figure what had fallen off the plane before we finally
figured it out and had a good laugh.
Now that I think of it I remember Marcello Matocq reports he had the same
problem even with his inflated prophylactics and it scared him just as much
till he figured it out.
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Church"
> Let's see...
>
> K represents 1000, so 9000K feet would represent 9,000,000 feet.
>
> Michael, you didn't tell us you were an astronaut.
> Probably not going to get out of the earth's atmosphere in a Piet, so it
> shouldn't be a problem.
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return,
to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!"
-da Vinci/John Gillespie Magee
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
From: <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: chip bag exploding, turbulence over Chicago....war
stories
Date: Mar 05, 2008
Well if we are all sharing,
One fine morning we were climbing out of Nevada County airport headed
for Idaho in my Dads C-182. My Dad was flying, retired KC-135 pilot with
30,000+hr, I was his all knowing co-pilot, 60 hr private pilot and Mom
was in the back seat. We had been climbing over the trees (Sierra
Nevada Foothills) for about 5 to 10 minutes when all of a sudden we all
heard and felt a loud BANG! Even with our head sets on and the engine at
full power. What the heck was that? What we hit? Are the wings still
on? Did we just loose half the engine? Are we trailing smoke? It's
amazing how many things go through your mind. While my mind was racing
Dad had turned the plane around, which I had not noticed, and he was
checking the engine gauges and running the emergency check list as cool
as a cucumber. All was fine we were holding altitude, and the engine ran
fine. It was not the engine and we are were not falling out of the sky.
We kept thinking of what it could be. Perhaps it was a stuck nose
wheel strut extending. After about 5 tense minutes Mom pipes up, hey,
there's chips all over the place back here. Yep the Mylar chip bag had
exploded. It was very frightening. Dad said if you think that was bad
you should try flying into Guam in a Typhoon. After that we always
opened the chips before takeoff.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 05, 2008
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Weight of water- the last word
Ya got that right!!!!!
So just how did the US gallon get that way anyway?
Hint- Yankee ingenuity. :-)
Clif
>
>
> CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca wrote:
>> Funny thing is, the same car sold in the US somehow has magicaly
>> aquired much better mpg sold in Victoria. Now how could that be! :-)
>>
>> Clif
>>
>
>
> Thanks to the Imperial system, not only are our gallons bigger and better,
> so are our pints (sip... ahhhh!). And the beer that goes in 'em..
>
> --------
> Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167830#167830
>
>
> --
> 6:38 PM
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Whaley" <MerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
Date: Mar 06, 2008
I wager that it's about 8.4 lbs. Unless of course the water is frozen, in
which case it could be much, much more. :)
Mike Whaley merlin@ov-10bronco.net
Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association
http://www.ov-10bronco.net/
> I can hardly believe the variety of answers posted on this net for the
> answer to a simple little question,
> " how much weight attached to the handle will a sealed empty gallon milk
jug
> support until the entire jug is submerged in salt water"? I've had
answers
> such as " the aircraft is burning", "jaws nibbling at my butt", "dog
fighting
> with Raual's Air Force", "quick engine release" but still no one has
> answered my question.
>
> Nathan
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe(at)calply.com>
Subject: Collapsed Wire Wheels
Date: Mar 05, 2008
OK, Pieters.. show of hands. How many of you have actually collapsed your
motorcycle wheels on hard or x-wind landings?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Collapsed Wire Wheels
Date: Mar 06, 2008
Gary,
I can claim some fame to that one! They didn=92t collapse due to the
hard
landing or ground loop only the ditch beside the runway when I went in
it.
Tends to pull the spokes from the wheel rim and then buckle the wheel.
Costs
a new rim and spokes plus the rebuild time! I am changing my wheels to
some
=93normal=94 aircraft wheels until I feel better about landing on the
wire
wheels.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2008 5:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Collapsed Wire Wheels
OK, Pieters=85. show of hands. How many of you have actually collapsed
your
motorcycle wheels on hard or x-wind landings?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group
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om/
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6:38 PM
5/03/2008
6:38 PM
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Date: Mar 05, 2008
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
This brings up a couple of points
1-gasoline is lighter than water so a full tank provides a small
measure of floatation.
2- As the tank empties the space is filled with air. A completely
empty tank provides quite a bit of floatation depending on it's volume.
Clif
And don't forget Alcock and Brown, Wrong Way, Beryl Markham and
all those who lost their lives in the attempt.
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
No ping pong balls in the "Spirit". Charles had 5 fuel tanks.
Fuselage, Nose, Center Right and Left Wing tanks with capacity of over
400 gals. Talk about balls, he had 'em.
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From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: wire wheel collapse
Date: Mar 06, 2008
Gary,
I don't know if personally witnessing two wheels collapses allows me to
raise my hand, that's what I've seen.
Both were unmodified motorcycle hubs, both on smaller WW1 replicas in
similar weight ranges as piets.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: message to newbies
Date: Mar 06, 2008
Dear newbies,
Please don't be alarmed or surprised at the turn of the discussion in
the last two days. Don't unsubscribe and burn your plans thinking we're
a bunch of nuts.
Fact is, sometimes the technical discussions seem to take these odd
turns (shall we say degenerate..), however be assured that sanity has
always returned after a few days, usually after every possible, subtle
nuance of the topic at hand has been thoroughly wrung from it, and every
vital technical aspect has been properly surveyed from every possible
angle.
We apologize, we just can't seem to help ourselves.
Interesting thing is... I'm still not sure how much water weighs
however...
D
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: Posting Photos
Date: Mar 06, 2008
All right, Fred. I'll explain this one more time (and I'm writing this only
because I want to see your pictures).
There are two ways to post pictures.
1) You can simply attach pictures to your e-mail message that you post
to this list. The attachments will go to everyone subscribed to the "live"
list. Those subscribed to the "digest" list will NOT receive the
attachments. HOWEVER, for subscribers to the digest version that want to see
photos that get attached - there is also the Matronics Pietenpol Forum,
which is basically the same List, in a slightly different format (which
allows photos to be posted). Here's the link:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=7
2) The old-fashioned way is to send the photos to the matronics
Photoshare. This is a more long-lasting way to post your pictures, as they
are kept in a specific location that is easy to find. Here's the procedure
for that method:
If you wish to submit a Photo and File Share of your own, please include the
following information along with your email message and files:
1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
2) Your Full Name:
3) Your Email Address:
4) One line Subject description:
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic:
6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
Email pictures and files along with the information above to:
pictures(at)matronics.com
That's it. Pretty easy.
Bill C.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tbyh(at)aol.com
By the way, I took some pics of Don Emch's "wake-up call" first flight of
the day on?Saturday morning of last year's Brodhead Piet fly-in.?5:46 a.m.
liftoff -- I looked at my watch. I took the pics?as I walked over to the
shower. How do I post those pics on here? I posted some pics once before?but
I forget how...
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: message to newbies
Date: Mar 06, 2008
Douwe, you ever notice that Corky is usually the one that starts most of
these?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:10 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: message to newbies
Dear newbies,
Please don't be alarmed or surprised at the turn of the discussion in
the last two days. Don't unsubscribe and burn your plans thinking we're
a bunch of nuts.
Fact is, sometimes the technical discussions seem to take these odd
turns (shall we say degenerate..), however be assured that sanity has
always returned after a few days, usually after every possible, subtle
nuance of the topic at hand has been thoroughly wrung from it, and every
vital technical aspect has been properly surveyed from every possible
angle.
We apologize, we just can't seem to help ourselves.
Interesting thing is... I'm still not sure how much water weighs
however...
D
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From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 06, 2008
Subject: Re: message to newbies
You a'int seen nothing yet. Now that we've sunk I'll try to really start
something wild or better something to keep you interested, confused, angry and
provoked. Heck I'm retired with nothing else to do with my time while Isabelle
plays bridge.
Corky, Levi and Nathan
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From: "tmbrant1(at)netzero.com" <tmbrant1(at)netzero.net>
Date: Mar 07, 2008
Subject: Re: chip bag exploding, turbulence over Chicago....war
stories
This story reminded me of one of my wife's first flights with me. I'd recently
been checked out in an Archer which counted for using the FBOs Warrior - although
I had never flown it. I scheduled a flight in the Warrior with my wife and
brother. She sat in the back. From the beginning of the flight things were
going wrong.. DG precessing agressively, radios blinking on and off, etc..
My brother and I were trying to figure out what was going on with the radios
when all of the sudden we heard what sounded like an electrical short - it sounded
like something was frying. My brother and I both looked at eachother with
that look of - oh crap, we're gonna have to take this thing down and now...
We look around and behind us and we heard the noise again coming from behind
us... It was my wife - she'd opened a bag of chips and the rustling sound sounded
just like something was frying. She just looked at us innocently and said
- what??
Tom B.
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From: "tmbrant1(at)netzero.com" <tmbrant1(at)netzero.net>
Date: Mar 07, 2008
Subject: Douglas fir in Minneapolis
Anyone know where I can get some doug fir in Minneapolis area? Need some spar
material and wouldn't mind using fir if it's available nearby. Otherwise I'll
head to Mckormicks.
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From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Douglas fir in MPLS
Date: Mar 06, 2008
Tom posted this just at the right time. I was at Hiawathe Lumber at
42nd & Hiawatha today and picked up spar material. They are a bit low
on stock right now but still have some nice 18' pieces. I paid $2.79
per running ft for 1x8x18.
That is fully sanded finished 3/4x7 1/4.
I paid a total of $305.70 for enough to do both spars, make trailing
edges and leading edges and cutting blocking with spare. Also this is
for 16' mand 18' sections as this is for a different plane.
Scherer Brothers Lumber at 9 9th AVE NE Mpls also carries it. Right
off 35W at Broadway. They dont stock it at their Arden Hills yard.
Dick N.
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From: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen(at)ptialaska.net>
Subject: Re: message to newbies
Date: Mar 06, 2008
Truth be known, Commander Corky wasn't planning to invade Cuba, he was
just trying to figure out a way of gettin' some fly time over the
Lou-see-anna swamps without a gator gettin' him. Dem are big swamps and
big gators.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: message to newbies
You a'int seen nothing yet. Now that we've sunk I'll try to really
start something wild or better something to keep you interested,
confused, angry and provoked. Heck I'm retired with nothing else to do
with my time while Isabelle plays bridge.
Corky, Levi and Nathan
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From: "Mike Whaley" <MerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Help! Pietenpol safety question
Date: Mar 07, 2008
I plan on sailing my newly-built milk-jug raft from here in Melbourne over
to Bimini next month. But, I want to be safe.
Can anyone tell me how many empty Pietenpols I should carry in my boat to
make sure it doesn't sink on me in case of a hurricane?
-Mike
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Subject: Help! Pietenpol safety question
Date: Mar 07, 2008
From: <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca>
Three but they have to upsidedown and all the holes plugged;OK!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Whaley
Sent: March 7, 2008 2:18 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Help! Pietenpol safety question
I plan on sailing my newly-built milk-jug raft from here in Melbourne
over
to Bimini next month. But, I want to be safe.
Can anyone tell me how many empty Pietenpols I should carry in my boat
to
make sure it doesn't sink on me in case of a hurricane?
-Mike
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Subject: Gantzer Alert
Date: Mar 07, 2008
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Perhaps I've missed his postings lately as I've been too busy to read
them all but
has Captain Smoke "Chuck" Gantzer been active on the list or has anyone
heard from him
lately ? Either he's been very busy building his Tailwind or he has
been abducted by an
attractive available female who is crazy about little airplanes and
pilots.
Mike C. in Ohio
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Date: Mar 07, 2008
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Rough Iten for Kernal Zuniga 2009 1/2
Man, I can't wait for retirement! :)
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Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Rough Iten for Kernal Zuniga 2009 1/2
Date: Mar 07, 2008
COL CORKY STOP MESSAGE RECD STOP 41CC READY FOR DUTY SIR STOP WILL BEGIN PROGRAM
OF DRINKING MILK TO ACQUIRE NECESSARY FLOTATION DEVICES STOP NEVER DID LIKE
MILK THOUGH STOP FLASH GREEN LIGHT WHEN READY SIR STOP
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: Re: Gantzer Alert
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Mar 07, 2008
Mike,
I was wondering the same thing. I emailed him off list a few weeks ago and I got
a message back saying it didn't get to him because his mailbox was full. Any
body know anything??
Don Emch
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From: Steve Eldredge <steve(at)byu.edu>
Date: Mar 07, 2008
Subject: Let's look at altimeters
Mine is there for the inspection only. I'll trade you for your moving face
version...!
Steve e
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 10:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Let's look at altimeters
Hello Group,
I am interested in learning what type of altimeter people like to use in th
eir Piets as well as how well they like the function of thier altimeter. I
would like to hear thoughts when comparing sensitive, non-sensitive and um
a altimeters. I am in the building stage. This plane will only fly on clear
days where the ground will be visible and the Piet will fly at way less th
an 10,000 feet above sea level.
I have a vintage altimeter where the needle always points straight up, and
the face rotates to a given altitude, however this altimeter can not be cor
rected for pressure changes. I like the idea of having the needle move (not
the face), so at a quick glance, a person can quickly see approximately wh
at the altitude is by needle location. I'm sure other people have valid pr
eferances that may be interesting to hear.
Thank you in advance!
John E.
in Wisconsin waiting for the shop to warm up this spring
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 07, 2008
Subject: Re: Let's look at altimeters
There is a moving face version on Ebay right now.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: Wood in Twin Cities
From: Kirk Huizenga <kirkh1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 07, 2008
Give this a try - I was in there a year ago and they had some very
nice spruce and doug fir
Forest Products Supply
2650 Maplewood Drive (NE corner of County Rd. C and Hwy 61),
Maplewood, MN 55109
Phone: (651) 770-2834
Email: info(at)forestproductssupply.com
Web: www.forestproductssupply.com
Hours: Monday - Thursday: 9am - 8pm, Friday: 9am - 5pm, Saturday:
9am - 3pm
Forest Products Supply carries domestic and foreign hardwood,
furniture-grade plywood, carving stock, and art wood. They provide
custom milling and planing services. In addition, they fabricate a
variety of mouldings, custom furniture, entertainment centers,
bookcases, wall units, and tables.
Discount for Guild members: 10% discount on all lumber purchases.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Wood in Twin Cities
Date: Mar 07, 2008
Hi Kirk
I havent seen anything on the list from you for a long time. Hows that
rebuild project coming?
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kirk Huizenga
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 8:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood in Twin Cities
Give this a try - I was in there a year ago and they had some very
nice spruce and doug fir
Forest Products Supply
2650 Maplewood Drive (NE corner of County Rd. C and Hwy 61),
Maplewood, MN 55109
Phone: (651) 770-2834
Email: info(at)forestproductssupply.com
Web: www.forestproductssupply.com
Hours: Monday - Thursday: 9am - 8pm, Friday: 9am - 5pm, Saturday:
9am - 3pm
Forest Products Supply carries domestic and foreign hardwood,
furniture-grade plywood, carving stock, and art wood. They provide
custom milling and planing services. In addition, they fabricate a
variety of mouldings, custom furniture, entertainment centers,
bookcases, wall units, and tables.
Discount for Guild members: 10% discount on all lumber purchases.
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From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 08, 2008
Subject: Piet Lumber
Pieters,
A few thoughts for those of you who have not acquired your building lumber.
As has been stated on this list, the finished stock at lumber yards and home
improvement centers are NOT fully demensioned. A 3/4 isn't quite 3/4 etc. If I
were beginning my first Piet and didn't have shop power tools I would search
my community for cabinet shops with large table saws, joiners and planers.
Make a deal with them to rip up your needs to full plans sizes. For the sitka
spruce or douglas fir I've found that 4 pcs 2X6 16ft is sufficient for spars,
longerons and most cross braces and tail feathers. Be sure to specify
vertical grain, kiln dried, with at least 12 to 18 grains to the inch and straight
without pitch pockets. This will have to be ordered and shipped. For the
smaller cross bracing in fuse and wings you can use the clear lumber yard stuff.
I think going this way you will get better lumber and a much better price in
the long run.
Just a Sat morning thought to help another get started
Levi
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Date: Mar 08, 2008
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Dallas/ Ft Worth Pietenpol'ers
Jim, I'll try to send you an e-mail when, And IF I get down to Dallas the week
of the 17th to see if we can get togeather and check out some "piet stuff".
I am not sure what my scedule will be when I am down there so not sure what kind
of time I will have.
Shad
NX92GB
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Subject: Aileron Pictures
Date: Mar 08, 2008
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
If anyone could share some detailed aileron construction pictures, it
would sure be appreciated. I've checked out Chris's and Peter's sites.
Thanks,
Jack
www.textors.com
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Subject: Aileron Help
Date: Mar 09, 2008
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
I'm constructing my left aileron. What gap should I leave on the right
side to allow clearance from the wing for the fabric?
Thanks!
Jack
www.textors.com
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From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 09, 2008
Subject: Re: Aileron Help
I'd say 1/2 inch either end before covering. Remember that thing expands in
sunlight especially in the south in the summer. Had my Piet sitting in the
sun for about 4 hours while waiting for the DAR to fly in. Inspection went well
until he checked the left aileron. The inboard tip trailing edge was rubbing
on the wing. Had to get some rough sand paper out and make a lot of
promises.
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Subject: Where can I find vintage gauges
From: "jhubbard" <jhubbard65(at)comcast.net>
Date: Mar 09, 2008
Gentlemen:
I'm looking for a source for new "vintage style" gauges, specifically those with
white faces and possibly brass bezels. I've only seen them in pictures of vintage
planes and understand them to be reproductions, but haven't seen them for
sale anywhere. I even considered getting non-certified gauges and changing
the face myself. Any help?
--------
"One boy is one boy, two boys is half a boy, and three boys ain't no boy at
all." My Great Grandmother, whenever my cousins and I got together.
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From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: vintage gauges
Date: Mar 10, 2008
I had a set of gauges made up by Keystone instruments up in PA. You can
google them.
I had them put vintage faces on, and they also printed a Pietenpol logo
I had come up with on the faces. They wern't cheap, but they are
beautiful.
Douwe
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From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Where can I find vintage gauges
Date: Mar 10, 2008
Try here:
http://www.classicinstruments.net/
These are automotive gauges but you didn't say whether you were looking for strictly
aviation gauges or things like oil pressure, oil temperatures, etc.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
Date: Mar 10, 2008
The story behind the upside-down Ultra-Piet in (on) the water can be found
here:
http://www.questiongravity.com/piet/index.htm
Note that the site also has a page with good info regarding painting
aircraft with latex house paint (go down to the bottom of the page for the
link).
Bill C.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
Metcalfe
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
Not the gulf of Mexico But !!
Does any one know the story behind this picture
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 10, 2008
Subject: Re: Where can I find vintage gauges
Sir,
I searched for several years monitoring ebay and found several nice period
instruments. You have to be vigilant and have money to outbid. I used one of
the bidding services, Powersnipe.com. They put your maximum bid in at the very
last second, to avoid bidding wars. Worked great.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: Re: Where can I find vintage gauges
From: "jhubbard" <jhubbard65(at)comcast.net>
Date: Mar 10, 2008
Do you have any pics of the instruments you were able to get? I'm seriously thinking of having an instrument shop remove the faceplate of the suitable instruments and printing overlays that give that vintage appearance. The ones I'm thinking of are similar in style to those on www.classicinstruments.com , with the bone-colored faceplate and vintage lettering style, although I'd want the altimeter and ASI as well as the engine instruments to match. I think that white-face instruments actually pre-date the Piet, as most the displays I've seen from that time are black. I just have always liked that white-face look, especially with brass or nickel bezels.
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all." My Great Grandmother, whenever my cousins and I got together.
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 11, 2008
Subject: Re: Where can I find vintage gauges
Sir, (I wish I knew your name) Here is a picture of my panel with my Ebay
purchased instruments. The altimeter is non-sensitive but works great, and
will work accurately also on those high altitude flights to 15-20,000 msl.
Dan Helsper
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Subject: Re: Where can I find vintage gauges
From: "jhubbard" <jhubbard65(at)comcast.net>
Date: Mar 11, 2008
Dan,
Very nice! Are they reproductions or originals? If they're originals, do you
know what sort of plane they came out of?
Jeff
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 11, 2008
Subject: Re: Where can I find vintage gauges
Jeff,
I don't know what airplane those instruments are out of. They are not
repros. The alt. and tach are 4" dia. Those are quite old. I am going to have to
get a special tach cable made by a speedo shop. The clock is significant to me
because it is an Elgin, and I lived in Elgin IL for 17 years where the old
factory was. The mag switch is 2 1/8" dia. and very cool looking I think.
For anybody interested I have a very cool old brass venturi that I am not
going to use. Contact me off-list and I can send pics.
Dan Helsper
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From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: GN1 Plans with project
Date: Mar 11, 2008
I have a set of orig plans. They come with a partially built project. It
includes: Fuselage in boat stage, all tail feathers built, Ribs built,
Center section started with spars and steel fittings. Most (some)
fittings are done. The landing gear, tail wheel fitting and torque tube
are roughed out. Rib jig, etc. $800 in Georgia.
Barry Davis
Big Piet Builder
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Subject: Rib length question
From: "rmueller23" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 11, 2008
I tried to send this via email, but I don't think it went through. If it did, sorry
for the duplicate posting.
I'm in the process of lofting the rib coordinates onto my jig. The total length
of the rib is supposed to be 60" long. If you add up the measurements for the
stations going fore to aft (i.e. 1/2", 1", 1", 1", etc) you end up with a total
length of 60.125. I have seen mention of an error in a vertical measurement,
but I have yet to find anything about a discrepancy in the length. I understand
it's only 1/8", but generally what has everyone done about this. Just build
it an 1/8" longer; subtract the 1/8" off the trailing edge? Is there a horizontal
dimension that is known to be incorrect?
Ryan
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Subject: Re: GN1 Plans with project
From: "TOPGUN" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net>
Date: Mar 11, 2008
Can you e-mail me some pictures? i am interested........crusch(at)lakefield.net
will you seperate out the ribs and center section?
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From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Rib length question
Date: Mar 11, 2008
Ryan,
Don't sweat it too much, just make sure the distance between the spars is
correct.
The chord length on NX18235 is off by more than 1/8" and it flies just fine.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "rmueller23" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 7:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib length question
>
> I tried to send this via email, but I don't think it went through. If it
> did, sorry for the duplicate posting.
>
> I'm in the process of lofting the rib coordinates onto my jig. The total
> length of the rib is supposed to be 60" long. If you add up the
> measurements for the stations going fore to aft (i.e. 1/2", 1", 1", 1",
> etc) you end up with a total length of 60.125. I have seen mention of an
> error in a vertical measurement, but I have yet to find anything about a
> discrepancy in the length. I understand it's only 1/8", but generally what
> has everyone done about this. Just build it an 1/8" longer; subtract the
> 1/8" off the trailing edge? Is there a horizontal dimension that is known
> to be incorrect?
>
> Ryan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169115#169115
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: Rib length question
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Mar 11, 2008
Ryan,
Somehow, and I think it has to do with wider leading and trailing edges, my chord
length came to around 60.5" to 60.625". I don't think my Piet knows the difference.
I really wouldn't worry about it either. However, like Greg says keep
the distance between the spars uniform and correct. It would be very discouraging
to finish the center section and wing panels and find that they don't
meet up together.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: Re: Rib length question
From: "rmueller23" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 11, 2008
Sounds good. I'll plot with the given dimensions and not worry about a little extra.
Thanks Greg and Don.
Ryan
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From: Kirk Huizenga <kirkh1(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Wood in Twin Cities
Date: Mar 12, 2008
Dick,
Thanks for checking. I haven't been on the list much, but still have
the project. Actually, I have two project Piets now.
I haven't been doing much as I had a job change from the school where
I was teaching. I'm now a pastor at my church on an interim basis
(next year or two). The Mounds View district (as well as others) have
been cutting Industrial Tech classes left and right. My position was
cut after last school year. So, all my planes and parts are at my
house. 2 fuselages, 4 wings, 5.5 Corvair engines, and all the extras
that go into making a plane. My wife is lovely and gracious.
My building urge is growing again so I'll get back to it a little bit
in the next few months.
Great seeing your aircraft in Sport Aviation - looks beautiful!!!
Maybe I'll do my second one ply covered. Would you do it again that way?
You can periodically check out progress at my Blog
(www.aircamperman.wordpress.com)
Are your planes still out at MIC? I have a friend rebuilding a
Bellanca Cruisemaster out there and can maybe connect with you some
time.
Kirk
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Date: Mar 12, 2008
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Franklin Engine
Say Harvey....
Franklin 90 HP on Barnstormers for $500.00..
Ken H
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From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: GN1 Plans with project
Date: Mar 12, 2008
I'm leaving early in the morning for our EAA Fun Cruise to the Bahamas. I'll
send you some pics next week.
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "TOPGUN" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN1 Plans with project
>
> Can you e-mail me some pictures? i am
> interested........crusch(at)lakefield.net
> will you seperate out the ribs and center section?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169118#169118
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: Franklin Engine
From: "jimd" <jlducey(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Mar 12, 2008
Main cases, crank, rods, cam, &gears rear case , turns freely... not really much
of an engine. I am impressed with the 125hp Franklin PZL engines.. saw they
were for sale NEW for about 7K, in the crate.
Thought about a corvair for my GN-1 biplane if the ENMA Tigre doesn't work out..
now that is plan "C", plan B is the 125hp Franklin.
Jim
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From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Sun n Fun
Date: Mar 12, 2008
As long as the list is a bit slow and hopefully every one is catching
their breath from the wonderful week of milk jug discussion, I want to
remind everyone that several of us on the list here are active with the
Wood workshop at Sun n Fun. You may catch a bit of Mike Cuys Piet video
running on the shop TV. Someone always has Piet plans and we will all
help with questions. This years project is the construction of a set of
wood wings at the show. They are very similar to the Piet. I ould also
like to talk to anyone who would like to build a project at next years
show. We have done several Aircamper fuselages in the past and would
welcome another if someone would like.
We welcome new volunteers to the shop also. It's a great way to be more
invoved and get more out of the airshow.
Dick N.
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Date: Mar 13, 2008
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Sun n Fun
I'll be there probably Thursday and Friday. Are you bringing your
Piet? I stopped by and met you at SNF last year. I'm planning to
make the trip to Brodhead this year too, so hopefully I'll see your
Piet in person in one of the two places. See ya soon
Ben Charvet
Dick Navratil wrote:
> As long as the list is a bit slow and hopefully every one is catching
> their breath from the wonderful week of milk jug discussion, I want to
> remind everyone that several of us on the list here are active with
> the Wood workshop at Sun n Fun. You may catch a bit of Mike Cuys Piet
> video running on the shop TV. Someone always has Piet plans and we
> will all help with questions. This years project is the construction
> of a set of wood wings at the show. They are very similar to the
> Piet. I ould also like to talk to anyone who would like to build a
> project at next years show. We have done several Aircamper fuselages
> in the past and would welcome another if someone would like.
> We welcome new volunteers to the shop also. It's a great way to be
> more invoved and get more out of the airshow.
>
> Dick N.
> *
>
>
> *
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From: RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 13, 2008
Subject: Re: Sun n Fun
I'd love to see some Pietenpols at Sun N Fun. Where do ya'll tie down at?
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From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Sun n Fun
Date: Mar 13, 2008
I am not bringing my Piet to SNF. I will be bringing the Volmer VJ 22
project that we built last year and building wings for it.
Fly in Piets generally park on the west end of the flight line. Alan Wise's
Piet if not on the flight line may be in the museum.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Charvet" <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun
>
> I'll be there probably Thursday and Friday. Are you bringing your Piet?
> I stopped by and met you at SNF last year. I'm planning to make the trip
> to Brodhead this year too, so hopefully I'll see your Piet in person in
> one of the two places. See ya soon
>
>
> Ben Charvet
>
> Dick Navratil wrote:
>> As long as the list is a bit slow and hopefully every one is catching
>> their breath from the wonderful week of milk jug discussion, I want to
>> remind everyone that several of us on the list here are active with the
>> Wood workshop at Sun n Fun. You may catch a bit of Mike Cuys Piet video
>> running on the shop TV. Someone always has Piet plans and we will all
>> help with questions. This years project is the construction of a set of
>> wood wings at the show. They are very similar to the Piet. I ould also
>> like to talk to anyone who would like to build a project at next years
>> show. We have done several Aircamper fuselages in the past and would
>> welcome another if someone would like.
>> We welcome new volunteers to the shop also. It's a great way to be more
>> invoved and get more out of the airshow.
>> Dick N.
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 13, 2008
Subject: Re: Franklin Engine
I wonder how much it would take to get that into flying condition I am stil
l
looking for a powerplant
John
In a message dated 3/13/2008 7:05:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
harvey.rule(at)bell.ca writes:
Thanks for the heads up.I don=99t have the scatch at this time.Mother
wants a
deck and new floors.You know how it goes.I=99ll be lucky with the pri
ce gas is
going to even get airborne this year!
Do not archive
____________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA,
CPO, FAAOP
Sent: March 12, 2008 4:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Franklin Engine
Say Harvey....
Franklin 90 HP on Barnstormers for $500.00..
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Date: Mar 13, 2008
From: Tim Verthein <minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: No homebuilts till after 1947?
Article in the March 2008 issue of Kitplanes confuses me. I quote:
"When George Bogardus landed his Little Gee Bee homebuilt in the grass
on The Mall in Washington D. C. in 1947, it's likely that he had no
concept of the floodgates he had helped open. He had flown his pre-
WWII single seater 3000 miles from Oregon - the only state where
homebuilt aircraft were permitted - to demonstrate to Congress the need
to legalize homebuilts nationally." It goes on to tell how homebuilts
became legal after that, etc.
Umm....Bernie was building Piets in the 30's along with plenty of
others. Were they illegal unless they were in Oregon?
I seem to be missing some knowledge of homebuilt regulations.
Tim in Bovey
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http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 13, 2008
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Subject: Re: No homebuilts till after 1947?
Without all the details in front of me, the impression I am left with after
reading Chet Peek's book, The Pietenpol Story, a couple years ago, I think
that Bernard Pietenpol could have made a killing, but the timing of all the
anti homebuilder legislation was against him.
At least he is posthumously recognized and celebrated by all of us.
On 3/13/08, Tim Verthein wrote:
>
> minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com>
>
> Article in the March 2008 issue of Kitplanes confuses me. I quote:
>
> "When George Bogardus landed his Little Gee Bee homebuilt in the grass
> on The Mall in Washington D. C. in 1947, it's likely that he had no
> concept of the floodgates he had helped open. He had flown his pre-
> WWII single seater 3000 miles from Oregon - the only state where
> homebuilt aircraft were permitted - to demonstrate to Congress the need
> to legalize homebuilts nationally." It goes on to tell how homebuilts
> became legal after that, etc.
>
> Umm....Bernie was building Piets in the 30's along with plenty of
> others. Were they illegal unless they were in Oregon?
>
> I seem to be missing some knowledge of homebuilt regulations.
>
> Tim in Bovey
>
>
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
>
>
--
Glenn Thomas
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: No homebuilts till after 1947?
Date: Mar 13, 2008
Tim, Believe this to be close to what happened.
About 1935 there was some sensationalized homebuilt accidents, and homebuilts became
illegal, prior to this there were not really any rules about building your
own plane.
According to 'Piet Lore' after 1935 to 1941 there was not allot of federal government
presence in rural Minnesota and Pietenpol (and other homebuilders) could
fly anyway.
During WWII no one could fly private airplanes. After WWII there was very few homebuilts
flying till 1953.
Skip
Umm....Bernie was building Piets in the 30's along with plenty of
others. Were they illegal unless they were in Oregon?
I
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: BPA
Date: Mar 14, 2008
Hey guys,
who is in charge of the BPA newsletter now? is it Doc Mosher?
is he on the list or does someone have his email?
Thanks
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Hassel" <bob(at)cozyworld.net>
Subject: Re: GN1 Plans with project
Date: Mar 14, 2008
Please add me to the list as well!
Thanks,
Bob Hassel
Santa Fe, NM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN1 Plans with project
I'm leaving early in the morning for our EAA Fun Cruise to the Bahamas. I'll
send you some pics next week.
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "TOPGUN" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN1 Plans with project
>
> Can you e-mail me some pictures? i am
> interested........crusch(at)lakefield.net
> will you seperate out the ribs and center section?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169118#169118
>
>
>
Checked by AVG.
11:31 AM
Checked by AVG.
11:31 AM
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: No homebuilts till after 1947?
Date: Mar 14, 2008
Try this link for a bit of background info:
http://www.airspacemag.com/issues/2007/april-may/oregon_outlaws.php?page=1
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: BPA
Date: Mar 14, 2008
Douwe,
Yes, Doc Mosher is the editor of the BPA newsletter.
Here's the website:
http://pietenpols.org/
and here's his contact e-mail:
bpan(at)tds.net
Bill C.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Do Piets float in ground effect.
From: "Tim" <twilliams(at)mailmt.com>
Date: Mar 14, 2008
Gentlemen & Ladies,
I was told that the Piet. doesn't float in ground effect on landing; once you pull
the power the plane is going to settle down. Is this basically a true statement?
Thanks, Tim
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From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Mar 14, 2008
Subject: Re: No homebuilts till after 1947?
During WWII no one could fly private airplanes.
Not totally true but true in effect. One could fly private planes but you had to
do it within the fuel allotment you had been given and that was not enough.
The rules were that flyable planes had to be secure. In Dalhart, Texas all the
planes were gathered together and put at one airfield in a big hanger. They hired
a watchman and ran electric and telephone lines to the hanger so that he could
watch the planes and call for help in case an enemy agent stole a plane and
flew it to Mexico with any secret documents. Dalhart is miles from Mexico.
Some guys were able to sneak enough gas to do a little flying. One night one of
the pilots went into the hanger to get his log books from a plane. The pilot
was using matches to look rather than turning on the overhead light. Someone had
been using dope on a plane and it caught fire. The whole hanger burned down
with a group of airplanes that would make you drool today.
So Post WWII Dalhart got to start from scratch with General Aviation.
BTW the XIT Museum in town has a 3 cylinder Anzani motor that probably predates
WWI and was used on a mid 30s homebuilt.
Blue Skies,
Steve Dortch
Lurker
----- Original Message -----
From: Skip Gadd
Date: Thursday, March 13, 2008 20:00
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: No homebuilts till after 1947?
> Tim, Believe this to be close to what happened.
> About 1935 there was some sensationalized homebuilt accidents, and
> homebuilts became illegal, prior to this there were not really any
> rules about building your own plane.
> According to 'Piet Lore' after 1935 to 1941 there was not allot of
> federal government presence in rural Minnesota and Pietenpol (and
> other homebuilders) could fly anyway.
> After WWII there
> was very few homebuilts flying till 1953.
> Skip
>
>
>
> Umm....Bernie was building Piets in the 30's along with plenty of
> others. Were they illegal unless they were in Oregon?
>
> I
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Steve Eldredge <steve(at)byu.edu>
Date: Mar 14, 2008
Subject: Do Piets float in ground effect.
Depends on your airspeed...
It will not retain energy very long. They are relatively light and draggy.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Do Piets float in ground effect.
Gentlemen & Ladies,
I was told that the Piet. doesn't float in ground effect on landing; once you pull
the power the plane is going to settle down. Is this basically a true statement?
Thanks, Tim
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169833#169833
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Do Piets float in ground effect.
Date: Mar 14, 2008
From: <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca>
All depends on how much steam ya have on.Any plane will come down when
the speed comes off.That's how it works.Ya just put her into a dive
,pull her out and flair when ya can count the blades of grass and sit
there and wait for the speed and air to bleed off.I can't put it any
simpler than that.Now some guys like to come in kind of in a long angle
and add some speed just before touch down and that's OK to.I kind of
like to land the same way they do the shuttle craft.Come in at 90 degree
down angle then pull her up and stand her on her tail then level off and
fight like hell when I've done it all wrong.Then when I land I like to
ask people ;what did ya think of that landing just to see the look on
their face.HAHAHA sometimes it's pretty good.Sometimes people think I'm
just plane nuts!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Sent: March 14, 2008 12:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Do Piets float in ground effect.
Gentlemen & Ladies,
I was told that the Piet. doesn't float in ground effect on landing;
once you pull the power the plane is going to settle down. Is this
basically a true statement?
Thanks, Tim
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169833#169833
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 14, 2008
Subject: Floats????????????????
Listers,
Although many accuse me of suffering from dimensions, do I remember someone
not too long ago giving a source for float plans for Piets and other LSAs?
Levi
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From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Floats????????????????
Date: Mar 14, 2008
Corky:
More preparations for the great Cuban invasion I see!!!!!!
see ebay item # 310031949097
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-FLOAT-PLANS-BY-WAG-AERO_W0QQitemZ31003
1949097QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item310031949097
looks like they belong with the Wag-Aero "Sportsman" plans The J-3 clone
http://www.wagaero.com/sportrain.html
Michael in cold Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Floats????????????????
Listers,
Although many accuse me of suffering from dimensions, do I remember
someone not too long ago giving a source for float plans for Piets and
other LSAs?
Levi
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Subject: Re: Do Piets float in ground effect.
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Mar 14, 2008
If I maintain 60 mph all the way to flair I'll get a float. Not a long one but
I'll get one. If I'm in the 50 range coming down final and hold that till flair
there isn't a float or much room for error. Get a nice short landing though.
Of course with a large passenger those speeds will yield less of a float.
In fact with a passenger I try to never let my speed get much below 60 mph.
It just pays off the speed so quick and it is kinda nice to have a little bit
of speed to 'feel' for the runway. Finding myself at the top of a 'balloon'
without speed is not fun. I've done that enough I should know! Ha! Gives those
bungees a good workout.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: Re: Floats????????????????
Date: Mar 14, 2008
From: hvandervoo(at)aol.com
Or check these out:
http://www.ultralightfloats.com/index.htm
Hans
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Silvius <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 4:40 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Floats????????????????
Corky:
More preparations for the great Cuban invasion I see!!!!!!
see ebay item # 310031949097
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-FLOAT-PLANS-BY-WAG-AERO_W0QQitemZ310031949097QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item310031949097
looks like they belong with the Wag-Aero "Sportsman" plans The J-3 clone
http://www.wagaero.com/sportrain.html
Michael in cold Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Floats????????????????
Listers,
Although many accuse me of suffering from dimensions, do I remember
someone not toolong ago giving a source for float plans for Piets and
other LSAs?
Levi
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Floats????????????????
Date: Mar 14, 2008
Yes here is a video of someone building a set of those Muk-Tuck floats.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0qbNQeoqh0
Corky, can you move that fast??
Michael ;-)
----- Original Message -----
From: <hvandervoo(at)aol.com>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Floats????????????????
>
>
> Or check these out:
>
> http://www.ultralightfloats.com/index.htm
>
> Hans
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Silvius <silvius(at)gwi.net>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 4:40 pm
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Floats????????????????
>
>
> Corky:
>
>
> More preparations for the great Cuban invasion I see!!!!!!
>
>
> see ebay item # 310031949097
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-FLOAT-PLANS-BY-WAG-AERO_W0QQitemZ310031949097QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item310031949097
>
>
> looks like they belong with the Wag-Aero "Sportsman" plans The J-3 clone
>
>
> http://www.wagaero.com/sportrain.html
>
>
> Michael in cold Maine
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:16 PM
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Floats????????????????
>
>
> Listers,
>
>
> Although many accuse me of suffering from dimensions, do I remember
> someone not too long ago giving a source for float plans for Piets and
> other LSAs?
>
>
> Levi
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Floats????????????????
Date: Mar 14, 2008
And the guy that does the speed build does a test flight of those Muck-Tucks
on a Rans S-7 Curier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCxrXqYAUEQ
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: <hvandervoo(at)aol.com>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Floats????????????????
>
>
> Or check these out:
>
> http://www.ultralightfloats.com/index.htm
>
> Hans
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Silvius <silvius(at)gwi.net>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 4:40 pm
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Floats????????????????
>
>
> Corky:
>
>
> More preparations for the great Cuban invasion I see!!!!!!
>
>
> see ebay item # 310031949097
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-FLOAT-PLANS-BY-WAG-AERO_W0QQitemZ310031949097QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item310031949097
>
>
> looks like they belong with the Wag-Aero "Sportsman" plans The J-3 clone
>
>
> http://www.wagaero.com/sportrain.html
>
>
> Michael in cold Maine
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:16 PM
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Floats????????????????
>
>
> Listers,
>
>
> Although many accuse me of suffering from dimensions, do I remember
> someone not too long ago giving a source for float plans for Piets and
> other LSAs?
>
>
> Levi
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: Steve Eldredge <steve(at)byu.edu>
Date: Mar 14, 2008
Subject: Fuel Transfer Tank.
As I'm a mogas user, I've grown tired of hauling 5 Gallon cans, and hoistin
g them to the top of my wing. I'm envisioning a truck bed mount transfer t
ank. Anyone built one, or used one?
Safety is important, as is convenience. I'm imagining a 40-50 gallon tank
with a 12v pump.
Thanks,
Steve Eldredge
47' Stinson 108-2
and Pietenpol Aircamper
stinson(at)byu.edu
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Subject: Re: Fuel Transfer Tank.
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Mar 14, 2008
Steve,
I think it was a Kitplanes magazine several years back that did an article on just
this thing. It was it's own self contained trailer. really a nice setup
and was grounded for safety. All homemade so it could probably be done fairly
inexpensively. I know exactly what you mean about having this kind of thing.
The Piet isn't so bad but the Stinson I'm sure is another matter. More fuel
to haul up on that wing and more cost for burning more avgas. Sounds like just
the thing for ya. Anybody remember this article?
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: Re: Fuel Transfer Tank.
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Mar 14, 2008
Another area to look towards, farmers. I see lots of farm pickups with tanks in
the bed with simple pumps so they can go out in the field and fill up their
tractors. Just a thought...
Don
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From: BScott116(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 14, 2008
Subject: Re: Fuel Transfer Tank.
100 gal aluminum tank /diamond plate/at Orschelin farm store-$400. No pum
p
In a message dated 3/14/2008 6:17:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
steve(at)byu.edu writes:
As I=99m a mogas user, I=99ve grown tired of hauling 5 Gallon c
ans, and
hoisting them to the top of my wing. I=99m envisioning a truck bed m
ount transfer
tank. Anyone built one, or used one?
Safety is important, as is convenience. I=99m imagining a 40-50 gall
on tank
with a 12v pump.
Thanks,
Steve Eldredge
47' Stinson 108-2
and Pietenpol Aircamper
stinson(at)byu.edu
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Subject: Don E's flare/float Observations
Date: Mar 15, 2008
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
My numbers on final are exactly what Don Emch quoted in carrying 60 mph
on final gives some time in the flare float.
and is helpful on windy days when the gusts can go to a lull and that
extra few mph helps not to 'drop out' if you get
behind trees that shield the wind or just hit a lull.
55 mph is the sweet spot for my Piet giving enough time to feel for the
runway but not enough to contemplate life
and 50 gives you no grace, no second chances, no call from governor, or
no kitchen pass from embarrassing touchdowns
but if executed properly yields a very short landing roll.
Your mileage may vary.
Mike C. in Ohio
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel Transfer Tank.
Date: Mar 15, 2008
Tractor Suply and Northern tool have these set ups though I personaly
would go with the hand pump version.
tank:
http://www.tractorsupply.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay_105
51_10001_43260_-1______?rFlag=true&cFlag=1
hand pump:
http://www.tractorsupply.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay_105
51_10001_36408_-1______?rFlag=true&cFlag=1
electric pump:
http://www.tractorsupply.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay_105
51_10001_36410_-1______?rFlag=true&cFlag=1
Michael in snowy Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Eldredge
To: Stinson(at)yahoogroups.com ; pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 6:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel Transfer Tank.
As I'm a mogas user, I've grown tired of hauling 5 Gallon cans, and
hoisting them to the top of my wing. I'm envisioning a truck bed mount
transfer tank. Anyone built one, or used one?
Safety is important, as is convenience. I'm imagining a 40-50 gallon
tank with a 12v pump.
Thanks,
Steve Eldredge
47' Stinson 108-2
and Pietenpol Aircamper
stinson(at)byu.edu
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Aileron hinge gap
Date: Mar 15, 2008
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Hello all,
The plans call for a 3/8" gap between the wing and the top of the
aileron. Is this for the barn door hinges to fit, or to leave enough
space for the aileron to deflect down? I'm using a piano hinge which is
3/16 thick, should I drop it to a =BC inch or so?
Thanks!
Jack
www.textor.com
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Date: Mar 15, 2008
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Aileron hinge gap
Hi Jack.
I'm at the same stage and decided to go with the plans. That area is
going to have cloth, and tape on the edge, along with the paint. I
figured that the extra 1/8 or so would come in handy. When its all
together, I guess you could plane the trailing edge to get a perfect
look anyway.... I cut out my left side aileron spars yesterday/today.
Spent the afternoon making the aileron bellcranks. Hope to glue the spar
for the front of the aileron after I drill the holes for the bellcrank.
Isn't this stage fun?
Ben Charvet
Jack T. Textor wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> The plans call for a 3/8 gap between the wing and the top of the
> aileron. Is this for the barn door hinges to fit, or to leave enough
> space for the aileron to deflect down? Im using a piano hinge which
> is 3/16 thick, should I drop it to a inch or so?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jack
>
> www.textor.com
>
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <wingding(at)usmo.com>
Subject: Re: Wood in Twin Cities
Date: Mar 15, 2008
Hi Kirk:
Glad to see you are back. Went to your blog. Saw the landing gear
part also. I got a free set of spindles from a Tcraft and tried to build
a landing gear using them. To explain further, they are tapered and take
two different size bearings. there is no way that I can find to put a
tube in between them for alignment. They are driving me nuts, I feel
your pain.
Congratulations on the new job. Closing trade schools is one of the
stupidest things administrations do, but politically correct. Everyone
is going to college right?
By the way, there is a blade called a "zipper" a 6" by 1/16" fiberglas
reinforced blade that runs on a 4 1/2" grinder with the guard off. You
have to be real careful, but it slices through steel like a hot knife
through butter and you can back off before you get the steel too hot.
dennis
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 16, 2008
From: Tim Verthein <minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Transfer Tank.
You could also consider putting up your own fuel supply tank. I don't
know if you're an an airport (rules) or private field.... but when I
was a kid I used to ride with my Uncle Ernie in his big fuel truck
delivering Phillips 66 gas and diesel to area farmers who all had their
own fuel tanks on their property for tractors etc. I wouldn't be able
to guess how large the tanks were, but they were fairly high and
gravity feed. He'd go out and fill 'em up from his delivery truck and
they'd be set for a while. You could have your own private fuel tank
supply right at the field. I can't imagine a round steel tank of stilts
with a gravity feed hose as being too expensive.
Tim in Bovey
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Date: Mar 16, 2008
From: Tim Verthein <minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: No homebuilts till after 1947?
Thanks for the link! Very interesting article.
Tim in Bovey
Try this link for a bit of background info:
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Date: Mar 16, 2008
From: Tim Verthein <minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Fuel Storage Tanks (addendum)
here's what I had in mind:
http://www.tidytanks.com/farmtank.html
don't know if you can mount one high enough to gravity fill a wing
tank, but I bet it'd be worth a try
Tim in Bovey
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Don E's flare/float Observations
Date: Mar 16, 2008
Mikee wrote-
>carrying 60 mph on final gives some time in the flare float.
>55 mph is the sweet spot for my Piet giving enough time to feel for
>the runway but not enough to contemplate life
>50 gives you no grace, no second chances, no call from governor,
>no kitchen pass from embarrassing touchdowns
>but if executed properly yields a very short landing roll.
Mike, are you sure you aren't a Zen master? This one goes in the anthology of
"Pietenpol Poetry"!
I'll have to go out and fly some touch-and-go series on those numbers to see if
they are valid for 41CC, but they sound exactly correct, even with differences
in airspeed indicators and all the rest of that scientific clap-trap.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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From: PietChat(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 17, 2008
Subject: Re: Rough Iten for Kernal Zuniga 2009 1/2
In a message dated 3/7/2008 5:02:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
jboatri(at)emory.edu writes:
Man, I can't wait for retirement! :)
It's great!
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 17, 2008
Subject: Vintage altimeters
Hi Guys,
FYI there are some rather neat-looking altimeters listed on Ebay under the
heading "vintage altimeter". They are from 1930's automobiles (didn't know
these things existed). Might be worth taking a look.
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Poplar Grove, IL.
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Date: Mar 18, 2008
From: Jim Courtney <jbciii5656(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Transfer Tank.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: N number paint
Date: Mar 18, 2008
Okay guys,
I'm getting ready to paint (dope) my wings and tail feathers. Would you
share with me what you used to paint your N numbers? I've heard sign
painters paint, dope, enamel... I'll likely hand paint them since I'm
an artist and have a pretty steady hand.
Any suggestions and experiences are appreciated. The wings will be
orange and the numbers black.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: N number paint
Date: Mar 18, 2008
any of the above will work. Use whatever you are comfortable with.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg<mailto:douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 7:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: N number paint
Okay guys,
I'm getting ready to paint (dope) my wings and tail feathers. Would
you share with me what you used to paint your N numbers? I've heard
sign painters paint, dope, enamel... I'll likely hand paint them since
I'm an artist and have a pretty steady hand.
Any suggestions and experiences are appreciated. The wings will be
orange and the numbers black.
Douwe
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From: "Gene Rambo" <GeneRambo(at)msn.com>
Subject:
Date: Mar 18, 2008
OK, with all of the conversation going on . . . you guys have fired me
up now and I have accomplished more in the past week than the past four
years! Anyway, regarding gauges, attached is a photo if my panel.
there are several things that need to be polished and/or painted with
black lacquer, but I just stuck it together for this photo. I am not
sure I am using the tach, I would rather have a black-faced Jones tach,
or mount this one from the back so that the ring does not show.
To add to the discussion, though, WWI and the early 1920's used the 4"
instruments, which were for wooden panels and were mounted from the
front. (note, someone on here has 4" gauges, but the tach is, I
believe, a Type A. If so, it will not work in an engine with a 2/1
ratio, like most are) In the late 1920's and 1930's, the 3 1/8
instruments became the norm, and they were mounted from the rear of
aluminum panels. The pre-war 1930's gauges are easy to spot, because
they usually have four "micky mouse" ears where they mount. The WWII
and after gauges have large flat mounting areas with nutplates usually
installed. WWII instruments also usually have the "military look" to
them, plain lettering and pointers and always the pale yellow (or
radium) markings.
The gauges I have, the altimeter is a WWI British gauge, bought from
EBAY. These usually go for around $4-500, but you can find a deal now
and then (I did not pay that much). The pressure and temp gauges are
off EBAY, are automotive and are cheap. I like them because the US
Gauges logo has the identical indian head marking. The tach is a 1920's
Jones tach, also from EBAY. They go similar to the altimeters. The mag
switch is a WWI-era "dome light switch" like you would see on any WWI
aircraft. Plentiful and cheap. I cannot see any reason to have more
instruments than this. I have a Johnson Airspeed that clamps to the
strut, don't see the need for a turn and bank (you can feel the
difference, if not, why worry?) Things like a cyl head temp, why have
an indication for something you cannot change?? Rate of climb? It is
lousy, but not why you are building a Piet. What difference does it
make what the rate is?
Anyway, thanks for the encouragement, I am moving forward in leaps and
bounds now, and I have just recruited another Piet builder who is
meeting me tomorrow to discuss specifics to get started, so he will be
on the list soon!!
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject:
Date: Mar 18, 2008
Gene,
Thanks for the instrument primer! What engine are you using, and where are
you located?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List:
OK, with all of the conversation going on . . . you guys have fired me up
now and I have accomplished more in the past week than the past four years!
Anyway, regarding gauges, attached is a photo if my panel. there are
several things that need to be polished and/or painted with black lacquer,
but I just stuck it together for this photo. I am not sure I am using the
tach, I would rather have a black-faced Jones tach, or mount this one from
the back so that the ring does not show.
To add to the discussion, though, WWI and the early 1920's used the 4"
instruments, which were for wooden panels and were mounted from the front.
(note, someone on here has 4" gauges, but the tach is, I believe, a Type A.
If so, it will not work in an engine with a 2/1 ratio, like most are) In
the late 1920's and 1930's, the 3 1/8 instruments became the norm, and they
were mounted from the rear of aluminum panels. The pre-war 1930's gauges
are easy to spot, because they usually have four "micky mouse" ears where
they mount. The WWII and after gauges have large flat mounting areas with
nutplates usually installed. WWII instruments also usually have the
"military look" to them, plain lettering and pointers and always the pale
yellow (or radium) markings.
The gauges I have, the altimeter is a WWI British gauge, bought from EBAY.
These usually go for around $4-500, but you can find a deal now and then (I
did not pay that much). The pressure and temp gauges are off EBAY, are
automotive and are cheap. I like them because the US Gauges logo has the
identical indian head marking. The tach is a 1920's Jones tach, also from
EBAY. They go similar to the altimeters. The mag switch is a WWI-era "dome
light switch" like you would see on any WWI aircraft. Plentiful and cheap.
I cannot see any reason to have more instruments than this. I have a Johnson
Airspeed that clamps to the strut, don't see the need for a turn and bank
(you can feel the difference, if not, why worry?) Things like a cyl head
temp, why have an indication for something you cannot change?? Rate of
climb? It is lousy, but not why you are building a Piet. What difference
does it make what the rate is?
Anyway, thanks for the encouragement, I am moving forward in leaps and
bounds now, and I have just recruited another Piet builder who is meeting me
tomorrow to discuss specifics to get started, so he will be on the list
soon!!
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 18, 2008
Subject: Re:
Gene,
I really like your panel. Where did you find that bubble compass? I have
had no luck trying to find one. I bought one on Ebay, but the glass turned out
to be cracked. I ended up buying a brand new bubble faced compass (German)
that will hang from under the wing. Believe it or not my panel is full because
I
have 4" tach and 4" Altimeter. I know I have a type A Jones tach and have
been informed I will have to have a speedo shop make me some kind of geared
adapter to make it read right. I put an Elgin clock in my panel it just for
looks.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: N number paint
Date: Mar 18, 2008
From: <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca>
I used masking tape (green) to mark out the numbers and then I used
black enamel paint. They have to be a certain size up here in Canada,
especially on the wings. Mine might be a little too small but then
nobodies ever challenged me on it.
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: March 18, 2008 7:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: N number paint
Okay guys,
I'm getting ready to paint (dope) my wings and tail feathers. Would you
share with me what you used to paint your N numbers? I've heard sign
painters paint, dope, enamel... I'll likely hand paint them since I'm
an artist and have a pretty steady hand.
Any suggestions and experiences are appreciated. The wings will be
orange and the numbers black.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: tenpol-List:
Date: Mar 18, 2008
I am using a Model A, with wire wheels, no brakes, tailskid, the whole
"original" type thing. I live in the Washington DC suburbs, but I
travel a lot (airline pilot) and would like to visit and see anyone
close to an overnight. Of course, anyone is welcome here too.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe<mailto:gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List:
Gene,
Thanks for the instrument primer! What engine are you using, and where
are you located?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group
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From:
owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On
Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:46 AM
To: pietenpol-list
Subject: Pietenpol-List:
OK, with all of the conversation going on . . . you guys have fired me
up now and I have accomplished more in the past week than the past four
years! Anyway, regarding gauges, attached is a photo if my panel.
there are several things that need to be polished and/or painted with
black lacquer, but I just stuck it together for this photo. I am not
sure I am using the tach, I would rather have a black-faced Jones tach,
or mount this one from the back so that the ring does not show.
To add to the discussion, though, WWI and the early 1920's used the 4"
instruments, which were for wooden panels and were mounted from the
front. (note, someone on here has 4" gauges, but the tach is, I
believe, a Type A. If so, it will not work in an engine with a 2/1
ratio, like most are) In the late 1920's and 1930's, the 3 1/8
instruments became the norm, and they were mounted from the rear of
aluminum panels. The pre-war 1930's gauges are easy to spot, because
they usually have four "micky mouse" ears where they mount. The WWII
and after gauges have large flat mounting areas with nutplates usually
installed. WWII instruments also usually have the "military look" to
them, plain lettering and pointers and always the pale yellow (or
radium) markings.
The gauges I have, the altimeter is a WWI British gauge, bought from
EBAY. These usually go for around $4-500, but you can find a deal now
and then (I did not pay that much). The pressure and temp gauges are
off EBAY, are automotive and are cheap. I like them because the US
Gauges logo has the identical indian head marking. The tach is a 1920's
Jones tach, also from EBAY. They go similar to the altimeters. The mag
switch is a WWI-era "dome light switch" like you would see on any WWI
aircraft. Plentiful and cheap. I cannot see any reason to have more
instruments than this. I have a Johnson Airspeed that clamps to the
strut, don't see the need for a turn and bank (you can feel the
difference, if not, why worry?) Things like a cyl head temp, why have
an indication for something you cannot change?? Rate of climb? It is
lousy, but not why you are building a Piet. What difference does it
make what the rate is?
Anyway, thanks for the encouragement, I am moving forward in leaps and
bounds now, and I have just recruited another Piet builder who is
meeting me tomorrow to discuss specifics to get started, so he will be
on the list soon!!
Gene
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on>
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From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: tenpol-List:
Date: Mar 18, 2008
Well, if you cannot get an adapter made, there are always plenty of
folks looking for that type of tach and you can swap for one that does
work. I have never seen one that turns a 1:1 into a 2:1, but that does
not mean they don't exist.
The bubble face I have is tiny, I just want to put it in because it
looks neat! The best I can tell, it is out of some kind of old
omni-range type receiver. I have seen a photo of one where the compass
is in the center of what looks like an ADF head. Mine is missing one of
the compensators, so I don't know if I can even make it work.
Note that I mounted everything low, this layout is almost exactly like
my Travel Air panel. I think they were low to keep the coaming from
blocking the top gauges.
Send me another photo of your panel, I don't remember much about it.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com<mailto:HelsperSew(at)aol.com>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:
Gene,
I really like your panel. Where did you find that bubble compass? I
have had no luck trying to find one. I bought one on Ebay, but the glass
turned out to be cracked. I ended up buying a brand new bubble faced
compass (German) that will hang from under the wing. Believe it or not
my panel is full because I have 4" tach and 4" Altimeter. I know I have
a type A Jones tach and have been informed I will have to have a speedo
shop make me some kind of geared adapter to make it read right. I put an
Elgin clock in my panel it just for looks.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Date: Mar 18, 2008
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: new sig
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it"
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: N number paint
Date: Mar 18, 2008
Douwe, I cheated and used vinyl stick-on numbers by a local sign shop.
About $30 for the set. Nice and crisp and neat. Lots of color and letter
stye choices.--Jim lagowski, new to the list in N.W. Michigan and
looking for engine startup in May
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: N number paint
Okay guys,
I'm getting ready to paint (dope) my wings and tail feathers. Would
you share with me what you used to paint your N numbers? I've heard
sign painters paint, dope, enamel... I'll likely hand paint them since
I'm an artist and have a pretty steady hand.
Any suggestions and experiences are appreciated. The wings will be
orange and the numbers black.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: N number paint
Date: Mar 18, 2008
Hi Douwe
If you are going to Sun n Fun, there is a booth there that sells custom
vinyl while you wait.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: N number paint
Okay guys,
I'm getting ready to paint (dope) my wings and tail feathers. Would
you share with me what you used to paint your N numbers? I've heard
sign painters paint, dope, enamel... I'll likely hand paint them since
I'm an artist and have a pretty steady hand.
Any suggestions and experiences are appreciated. The wings will be
orange and the numbers black.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 18, 2008
Subject: panel pics
Gene,
Here is a photo of my panel.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: Pietsrneat(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 19, 2008
Subject: Control horns
Hey folks,
Years ago I bought laser-cut metal from someone for controls horns and
motor mounts. I recently had a friend weld them up for me, and they suck. Ugly
and unsafe.
Can anyone tell me where I got them, or an alternative to the welded
parts.
Thanks.
Ron
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From: Pietsrneat(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 19, 2008
Subject: Re: panel pics
Is that rope moulding at the bottom of your panel?
In a message dated 3/18/2008 10:46:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
HelsperSew(at)aol.com writes:
Gene,
Here is a photo of my panel.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: "Gene Rambo" <GeneRambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Control horns
Date: Mar 19, 2008
you can always make them out of .125 flat stock. Many are done that
way, including mine.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Pietsrneat(at)aol.com<mailto:Pietsrneat(at)aol.com>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control horns
Hey folks,
Years ago I bought laser-cut metal from someone for controls horns
and motor mounts. I recently had a friend weld them up for me, and they
suck. Ugly and unsafe.
Can anyone tell me where I got them, or an alternative to the
welded parts.
Thanks.
Ron
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 19, 2008
Subject: Panel moulding
The moulding on the bottom is a decorative inlay that I bought out of a
woodworking catalog. Can't remember the name of the place now.
Dan H, Poplar Grove
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Date: Mar 19, 2008
From: Owen Davies <owen5819(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Control horns
Pietsrneat(at)aol.com wrote:
> * Years ago I bought laser-cut metal from someone for controls horns
> and motor mounts. I recently had a friend weld them up for me, and
> they suck. Ugly and unsafe.*
Note that this does not mean everyone should give up on control horns
built to plans. A friend made some up for a plane he completed maybe 15
years ago. They were the first part he built--the first welding he did
after a lesson at his local EAA chapter, using a Craftsman rig that was
probably intended for repairing a broken combine--and they came out
strong, pretty, and extremely light--everything you could want in an
aircraft part.
Owen
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 19, 2008
From: "Dave Case" <dav3xor(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Panel Pictures...
I've been waiting for an appropriate moment to post this, and now seems the
time..
A truly sacrilegious Pietenpol panel...
http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=99&highlight=pietenpol
The boss made me do it.
Hehe, and yes, I know, I'll have to cut another panel because there's no
room for the cross piece -- this is a prototype.
--
David Case
Dav3xor(at)gmail.com
www.builddiary.net
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 19, 2008
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Control horns
Ron,
Why not make them to the plans?
They are easy to make.
I got a small oxy-asetyl set in the beginning of my project. and
practiced till I got it right. Maybe not nice to look at, but a weld I'm
satisfied with. (nothing flew off yet)
My feelings were that I wanted to tell all who asked,,,,,"I did every
shread of my Piet myself"
Trust the plans
Trust the plans
This will be the 6th year that my Piet has gotten me back without a
burp.
And it's light enough that I don't have to worry with a "fattie" in the
front seat. If they can fit,,,I can take 'em.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it"
----- Original Message -----
From: Pietsrneat(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control horns
Hey folks,
Years ago I bought laser-cut metal from someone for controls horns
and motor mounts. I recently had a friend weld them up for me, and they
suck. Ugly and unsafe.
Can anyone tell me where I got them, or an alternative to the
welded parts.
Thanks.
Ron
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Control Horn mounting
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)comcast.net>
Date: Mar 19, 2008
Speaking of control horns, I have been working on the rudder and the elevator control
horns. I have a question about the mounting tabs that get bent out. You
know the ones that the two bolts go through. If you follow the plans and bend
on the dash line the gap between the upper and lower tabs will be 1-inch.
The T-shape piece of wood you mount the horns on is only 5/8th-inch. OK, so I
will need to add in some kind of filler block (I dont believe one is shown on
the plans) to make up the space. That part Im ok with. My big problem is the
bolt head and more importantly the bolt bottom and nut will be above the level
of the wood. This will cause a bump (sharp bump on the nut side) under the covering.
Is this really how it is supposed to be? I have looked at all the pictures
I have and cant tell how this will look with the covering on. Has anyone
noticed if everyone has bumps in the covering where the horns attach?
I have been told Ken Perkins welded a channel onto the horns instead of the tabs.
He then runs the bolts fore and aft instead of side to side. Call me chicken,
but I dont like trusting my welds that much so I decided not to do that.
Im ok with bumps as long as they dont look horrible and will not give me trouble
down the line.
Now before anyone thinks to say just bent the tabs shorter, it would be hard to
get any edge clearance around the hole if you do, and the bolt will still stick
up above the covering. Been there done that.
Chris
--------
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171068#171068
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 19, 2008
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Panel Pictures...
Wow, a moving map display on a Piet! That makes me feel much better about
the Stratomaster EIS I am putting in mine (and the AirMap GPS using an
AirGizmo to attach to the panel).
Rick
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Dave Case wrote:
> I've been waiting for an appropriate moment to post this, and now seems
> the time..
>
> A truly sacrilegious Pietenpol panel...
>
>
> http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=99&highlight=pietenpol
>
> The boss made me do it.
>
>
> Hehe, and yes, I know, I'll have to cut another panel because there's no
> room for the cross piece -- this is a prototype.
>
> --
> David Case
> Dav3xor(at)gmail.com
> www.builddiary.net
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 19, 2008
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Panel moulding
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Control Horn mounting
Date: Mar 19, 2008
Chris,
Thanks for the heads-up. I'll want to make sure mine are bent to a 5/8" gap. I
don't see how the 1" gap would ever be right. The only solution I can think of
for you (besides making new ones) is to cut off the tabs and make new ones to
weld back on. It would be a little tricky...
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catdesigns
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Horn mounting
Speaking of control horns, I have been working on the rudder and the elevator control
horns. I have a question about the mounting tabs that get bent out. You
know the ones that the two bolts go through. If you follow the plans and bend
on the dash line the gap between the upper and lower tabs will be 1-inch.
The T-shape piece of wood you mount the horns on is only 5/8th-inch. OK, so I
will need to add in some kind of filler block (I dont believe one is shown on
the plans) to make up the space. That part Im ok with. My big problem is the
bolt head and more importantly the bolt bottom and nut will be above the level
of the wood. This will cause a bump (sharp bump on the nut side) under the covering.
Is this really how it is supposed to be? I have looked at all the pictures
I have and cant tell how this will look with the covering on. Has anyone
noticed if everyone has bumps in the covering where the horns attach?
I have been told Ken Perkins welded a channel onto the horns instead of the tabs.
He then runs the bolts fore and aft instead of side to side. Call me chicken,
but I dont like trusting my welds that much so I decided not to do that.
Im ok with bumps as long as they dont look horrible and will not give me trouble
down the line.
Now before anyone thinks to say just bent the tabs shorter, it would be hard to
get any edge clearance around the hole if you do, and the bolt will still stick
up above the covering. Been there done that.
Chris
--------
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171068#171068
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 19, 2008
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Control Horn mounting
My control horns fit tightly enough on the control surfaces that they
won't move if I remove the bolts for covering and replace them on top of
the covering. Anyway thats the way I'm planning to do it for now. Just a
thought...
Ben
Catdesigns wrote:
>
> Speaking of control horns, I have been working on the rudder and the elevator
control horns. I have a question about the mounting tabs that get bent out.
You know the ones that the two bolts go through. If you follow the plans and
bend on the dash line the gap between the upper and lower tabs will be 1-inch.
The T-shape piece of wood you mount the horns on is only 5/8th-inch. OK, so
I will need to add in some kind of filler block (I dont believe one is shown
on the plans) to make up the space. That part Im ok with. My big problem is the
bolt head and more importantly the bolt bottom and nut will be above the level
of the wood. This will cause a bump (sharp bump on the nut side) under the
covering. Is this really how it is supposed to be? I have looked at all the
pictures I have and cant tell how this will look with the covering on. Has anyone
noticed if everyone has bumps in the covering where the horns attach?
>
> I have been told Ken Perkins welded a channel onto the horns instead of the
tabs. He then runs the bolts fore and aft instead of side to side. Call me chicken,
but I dont like trusting my welds that much so I decided not to do that.
Im ok with bumps as long as they dont look horrible and will not give me trouble
down the line.
>
> Now before anyone thinks to say just bent the tabs shorter, it would be hard
to get any edge clearance around the hole if you do, and the bolt will still stick
up above the covering. Been there done that.
>
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris Tracy
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171068#171068
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Scout and Aircamper in Museum
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 19, 2008
Fountain, MN.
Lot of Bernie's stuff in the museum.
Worth a visit if you're in the area. Check the hours of operation before you plan
a visit, as I think they close early.
Here are some pictures:
http://picasaweb.google.com/Patrick.Hoyt/Pietenpol
Info on the museum:
http://fillmorecountyhistory.wordpress.com/museum/
- Pat
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171143#171143
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 19, 2008
From: "Dave Case" <dav3xor(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Panel Pictures...
I should point out, so that I don't look like a complete jerk... My
original plan was to use older gauges (notice the mag switch...), but when I
started work at AFS, The entire company was constantly giving me crap, "You
need an EFIS in there!".
Eventually I caved in and made a panel -- this one sits on my desk and holds
my test unit as you can see in the picture. If it ever goes in to the
Pietenpol, the EFIS is going to be made out of scratch & dent parts that we
have lying around -- I can't really afford the products that I work on. ;)
I wrote the moving map software BTW, I'm very proud.
Do you like the Stratomaster? I haven't had a chance to see one yet.
--
David Case
Dav3xor(at)gmail.com
www.builddiary.net
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 19, 2008
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Control horns
I've got an EAA welding video. His welds aren't pretty either!
Just paint everything black and that'll hide the uglies.
Here's a tip for losing ten pounds. Wear black! :-)
Clif
"Striving for excellence motivates you; striving for perfection is
demoralizing."
~ Harriet Braiker
Ron,
Why not make them to the plans?
They are easy to make.
I got a small oxy-asetyl set in the beginning of my project. and
practiced till I got it right. Maybe not nice to look at, but a weld I'm
satisfied with. (nothing flew off yet)
And it's light enough that I don't have to worry with a "fattie" in
the front seat. If they can fit,,,I can take 'em.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it"
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 03/19/08
Date: Mar 20, 2008
From: tbyh(at)aol.com
So if I paint my Piet black, it will be 10 pounds lighter! Hmmmm...might make the
difference between clearing the fence on a hot day take-off or not!? At least
we'll look thin and trim if we roll 'er up in a ball at the end of the runway.
LOL
Watched Mike Cuy's video again the other night...always inspirational. I plan to
work on my "crate" this weekend! If you don't have a copy of Mike's DVD, get
in touch with him! It is really terrific - a must-have for the Piet builder!
(For the unsolicited plug you can send me a cut of the profits, Mike! )
I always liked Gordon Baxter's quip:?"How much money does it take to fly?
"Why, all of it!"?
I told my wife that one and she laughed very loudly. Well, she always reminds me
that I'm building faster than the budget allows -- even when I haven't spent
a dime on the Piet in many weeks! (We have one son that's a junior in college
and another starting in the fall.) A new twist on the term "budget overrun!"
Best wishes to all for a happy Easter and weekend!
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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Sent: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 1:56 am
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1. 09:52 AM - Control horns (Pietsrneat(at)aol.com)
2. 09:55 AM - Re: panel pics (Pietsrneat(at)aol.com)
3. 10:29 AM - Re: Control horns (Gene Rambo)
4. 10:40 AM - Panel moulding (HelsperSew(at)aol.com)
5. 01:19 PM - Re: Control horns (Owen Davies)
6. 02:10 PM - Panel Pictures... (Dave Case)
7. 02:46 PM - Re: Control horns (walt evans)
8. 02:57 PM - Control Horn mounting (Catdesigns)
9. 03:43 PM - Re: Panel Pictures... (Rick Holland)
10. 03:44 PM - Re: Panel moulding (Rick Holland)
11. 04:02 PM - Re: Control Horn mounting (Gary Boothe)
12. 04:57 PM - Re: Control Horn mounting (Ben Charvet)
13. 07:36 PM - Scout and Aircamper in Museum (PatrickW)
14. 07:48 PM - Re: Panel Pictures... (Dave Case)
15. 07:53 PM - Re: Control horns (Clif Dawson)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
From: Pietsrneat(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control horns
Hey folks,
Years ago I bought laser-cut metal from someone for controls horns and
motor mounts. I recently had a friend weld them up for me, and they suck. Ugly
and unsafe.
Can anyone tell me where I got them, or an alternative to the welded
parts.
Thanks.
Ron
**************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL
Home.
(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
From: Pietsrneat(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: panel pics
Is that rope moulding at the bottom of your panel?
In a message dated 3/18/2008 10:46:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
HelsperSew(at)aol.com writes:
Gene,
Here is a photo of my panel.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
____________________________________
Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. _Watch the video on AOL Home_
(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom000300000000
01) .
**************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL
Home.
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________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <GeneRambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horns
you can always make them out of .125 flat stock. Many are done that
way, including mine.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Pietsrneat(at)aol.com<mailto:Pietsrneat(at)aol.com>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control horns
Hey folks,
Years ago I bought laser-cut metal from someone for controls horns
and motor mounts. I recently had a friend weld them up for me, and they
suck. Ugly and unsafe.
Can anyone tell me where I got them, or an alternative to the
welded parts.
Thanks.
Ron
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL
Home<http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?nci
d=aolhom00030000000001>.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
on>
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel moulding
The moulding on the bottom is a decorative inlay that I bought out of a
woodworking catalog. Can't remember the name of the place now.
Dan H, Poplar Grove
**************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL
Home.
(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
From: Owen Davies <owen5819(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horns
Pietsrneat(at)aol.com wrote:
> * Years ago I bought laser-cut metal from someone for controls horns
> and motor mounts. I recently had a friend weld them up for me, and
> they suck. Ugly and unsafe.*
Note that this does not mean everyone should give up on control horns
built to plans. A friend made some up for a plane he completed maybe 15
years ago. They were the first part he built--the first welding he did
after a lesson at his local EAA chapter, using a Craftsman rig that was
probably intended for repairing a broken combine--and they came out
strong, pretty, and extremely light--everything you could want in an
aircraft part.
Owen
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
From: "Dave Case" <dav3xor(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel Pictures...
I've been waiting for an appropriate moment to post this, and now seems the
time..
A truly sacrilegious Pietenpol panel...
http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=99&highlight=pietenpol
The boss made me do it.
Hehe, and yes, I know, I'll have to cut another panel because there's no
room for the cross piece -- this is a prototype.
--
David Case
Dav3xor(at)gmail.com
www.builddiary.net
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horns
Ron,
Why not make them to the plans?
They are easy to make.
I got a small oxy-asetyl set in the beginning of my project. and
practiced till I got it right. Maybe not nice to look at, but a weld I'm
satisfied with. (nothing flew off yet)
My feelings were that I wanted to tell all who asked,,,,,"I did every
shread of my Piet myself"
Trust the plans
Trust the plans
This will be the 6th year that my Piet has gotten me back without a
burp.
And it's light enough that I don't have to worry with a "fattie" in the
front seat. If they can fit,,,I can take 'em.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it"
----- Original Message -----
From: Pietsrneat(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control horns
Hey folks,
Years ago I bought laser-cut metal from someone for controls horns
and motor mounts. I recently had a friend weld them up for me, and they
suck. Ugly and unsafe.
Can anyone tell me where I got them, or an alternative to the
welded parts.
Thanks.
Ron
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home.
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Horn mounting
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)comcast.net>
Speaking of control horns, I have been working on the rudder and the elevator
control
horns. I have a question about the mounting tabs that get bent out. You
know the ones that the two bolts go through. If you follow the plans and bend
on the dash line the gap between the upper and lower tabs will be 1-inch.
The T-shape piece of wood you mount the horns on is only 5/8th-inch. OK, so I
will need to add in some kind of filler block (I dont believe one is shown on
the plans) to make up the space. That part Im ok with. My big problem is the
bolt head and more importantly the bolt bottom and nut will be above the level
of the wood. This will cause a bump (sharp bump on the nut side) under the
covering.
Is this really how it is supposed to be? I have looked at all the pictures
I have and cant tell how this will look with the covering on. Has anyone
noticed if everyone has bumps in the covering where the horns attach?
I have been told Ken Perkins welded a channel onto the horns instead of the
tabs.
He then runs the bolts fore and aft instead of side to side. Call me chicken,
but I dont like trusting my welds that much so I decided not to do that.
Im ok with bumps as long as they dont look horrible and will not give me trouble
down the line.
Now before anyone thinks to say just bent the tabs shorter, it would be hard to
get any edge clearance around the hole if you do, and the bolt will still stick
up above the covering. Been there done that.
Chris
--------
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171068#171068
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Pictures...
Wow, a moving map display on a Piet! That makes me feel much better about
the Stratomaster EIS I am putting in mine (and the AirMap GPS using an
AirGizmo to attach to the panel).
Rick
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Dave Case wrote:
> I've been waiting for an appropriate moment to post this, and now seems
> the time..
>
> A truly sacrilegious Pietenpol panel...
>
>
> http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=99&highlight=pietenpol
>
> The boss made me do it.
>
>
> Hehe, and yes, I know, I'll have to cut another panel because there's no
> room for the cross piece -- this is a prototype.
>
> --
> David Case
> Dav3xor(at)gmail.com
> www.builddiary.net
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel moulding
________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control Horn mounting
Chris,
Thanks for the heads-up. I'll want to make sure mine are bent to a 5/8" gap. I
don't see how the 1" gap would ever be right. The only solution I can think of
for you (besides making new ones) is to cut off the tabs and make new ones to
weld back on. It would be a little tricky...
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Catdesigns
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Horn mounting
Speaking of control horns, I have been working on the rudder and the elevator
control
horns. I have a question about the mounting tabs that get bent out. You
know the ones that the two bolts go through. If you follow the plans and bend
on the dash line the gap between the upper and lower tabs will be 1-inch.
The T-shape piece of wood you mount the horns on is only 5/8th-inch. OK, so I
will need to add in some kind of filler block (I dont believe one is shown on
the plans) to make up the space. That part Im ok with. My big problem is the
bolt head and more importantly the bolt bottom and nut will be above the level
of the wood. This will cause a bump (sharp bump on the nut side) under the
covering.
Is this really how it is supposed to be? I have looked at all the pictures
I have and cant tell how this will look with the covering on. Has anyone
noticed if everyone has bumps in the covering where the horns attach?
I have been told Ken Perkins welded a channel onto the horns instead of the
tabs.
He then runs the bolts fore and aft instead of side to side. Call me chicken,
but I dont like trusting my welds that much so I decided not to do that.
Im ok with bumps as long as they dont look horrible and will not give me trouble
down the line.
Now before anyone thinks to say just bent the tabs shorter, it would be hard to
get any edge clearance around the hole if you do, and the bolt will still stick
up above the covering. Been there done that.
Chris
--------
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171068#171068
________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control Horn mounting
My control horns fit tightly enough on the control surfaces that they
won't move if I remove the bolts for covering and replace them on top of
the covering. Anyway thats the way I'm planning to do it for now. Just a
thought...
Ben
Catdesigns wrote:
>
> Speaking of control horns, I have been working on the rudder and the elevator
control horns. I have a question about the mounting tabs that get bent out.
You know the ones that the two bolts go through. If you follow the plans and
bend on the dash line the gap between the upper and lower tabs will be 1-inch.
The T-shape piece of wood you mount the horns on is only 5/8th-inch. OK, so
I will need to add in some kind of filler block (I dont believe one is shown
on the plans) to make up the space. That part Im ok with. My big problem is the
bolt head and more importantly the bolt bottom and nut will be above the level
of the wood. This will cause a bump (sharp bump on the nut side) under the
covering. Is this really how it is supposed to be? I have looked at all the
pictures I have and cant tell how this will look with the covering on. Has
anyone
noticed if everyone has bumps in the covering where the horns attach?
>
> I have been told Ken Perkins welded a channel onto the horns instead of the
tabs. He then runs the bolts fore and aft instead of side to side. Call me
chicken,
but I dont like trusting my welds that much so I decided not to do that.
Im ok with bumps as long as they dont look horrible and will not give me trouble
down the line.
>
> Now before anyone thinks to say just bent the tabs shorter, it would be hard
to get any edge clearance around the hole if you do, and the bolt will still
stick
up above the covering. Been there done that.
>
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris Tracy
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171068#171068
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Scout and Aircamper in Museum
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com>
Fountain, MN.
Lot of Bernie's stuff in the museum.
Worth a visit if you're in the area. Check the hours of operation before you
plan
a visit, as I think they close early.
Here are some pictures:
http://picasaweb.google.com/Patrick.Hoyt/Pietenpol
Info on the museum:
http://fillmorecountyhistory.wordpress.com/museum/
- Pat
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171143#171143
________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________
From: "Dave Case" <dav3xor(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Panel Pictures...
I should point out, so that I don't look like a complete jerk... My
original plan was to use older gauges (notice the mag switch...), but when I
started work at AFS, The entire company was constantly giving me crap, "You
need an EFIS in there!".
Eventually I caved in and made a panel -- this one sits on my desk and holds
my test unit as you can see in the picture. If it ever goes in to the
Pietenpol, the EFIS is going to be made out of scratch & dent parts that we
have lying around -- I can't really afford the products that I work on. ;)
I wrote the moving map software BTW, I'm very proud.
Do you like the Stratomaster? I haven't had a chance to see one yet.
--
David Case
Dav3xor(at)gmail.com
www.builddiary.net
________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horns
I've got an EAA welding video. His welds aren't pretty either!
Just paint everything black and that'll hide the uglies.
Here's a tip for losing ten pounds. Wear black! :-)
Clif
"Striving for excellence motivates you; striving for perfection is
demoralizing."
~ Harriet Braiker
Ron,
Why not make them to the plans?
They are easy to make.
I got a small oxy-asetyl set in the beginning of my project. and
practiced till I got it right. Maybe not nice to look at, but a weld I'm
satisfied with. (nothing flew off yet)
And it's light enough that I don't have to worry with a "fattie" in
the front seat. If they can fit,,,I can take 'em.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it"
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From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: closed circuit for Chris Tracy
Date: Mar 20, 2008
Chris;
Every time I try to send you something it bounces. Got another email addre
ss I can try or are you blocking me intentionally?Oscar Zuniga DO NOT ARCH
IVE
Air Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at htt
p://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: Control Horn mounting
Date: Mar 20, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 20, 2008
Subject: Decorative panel inlay
Here is the source for decorative panel inlays.
_http://www.rockler.com/CategoryView.cfm?Cat_ID=1433_
(http://www.rockler.com/CategoryView.cfm?Cat_ID=1433)
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
**************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL
Home.
(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Control Horn mounting
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)comcast.net>
Date: Mar 20, 2008
Thanks Guys
I guess I am thinking to much again. I need to just FOLLOW the plans. This is
the one big thing that has slowed down my building, thinking to much. I have
got to learn to trust the plans more. Every time I get bogged down it's because
I try to out think the plans.
Thanks
Chris
--------
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171239#171239
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Date: Mar 20, 2008
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Panel Pictures...
I have been torn between keeping my Pietenpol more authentic 1929 vintage
and learning as much as I can while building (and having a few more
conveniences) and I decided on the later. So I am going with the EIS, GPS
and a starter and generator even though it will weigh more (although the
Stratomaster EIS will cost less and weigh less than six separate gauges).
Can't you get an employee discount on the AFS stuff? If not scratch and dent
would work for me.
Rick
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Dave Case wrote:
> I should point out, so that I don't look like a complete jerk... My
> original plan was to use older gauges (notice the mag switch...), but when I
> started work at AFS, The entire company was constantly giving me crap, "You
> need an EFIS in there!".
>
> Eventually I caved in and made a panel -- this one sits on my desk and
> holds my test unit as you can see in the picture. If it ever goes in to the
> Pietenpol, the EFIS is going to be made out of scratch & dent parts that we
> have lying around -- I can't really afford the products that I work on. ;)
>
> I wrote the moving map software BTW, I'm very proud.
>
> Do you like the Stratomaster? I haven't had a chance to see one yet.
>
> --
> David Case
> Dav3xor(at)gmail.com
> www.builddiary.net
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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Date: Mar 20, 2008
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Control Horn mounting
Happens to me all the time Chris. With me I think it because I work as a
software engineer and I am always prototyping thinks many different ways
before I decide on the best way to go even if provided a detailed design
(they call it "Not invented here syndrome"). However you soon realize that
it is almost free to redirect some electrons a different way around a
computer chip but when you try to "improve" BP's landing gear or elevator
design and you start seeing welded 4130 tubing and epoxied spruce pile up in
your trash can you have to get a grip and start repeating to yourself
"Follow the Plans!, Follow the Plans!, .....
Rick
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Catdesigns wrote:
> >
>
> Thanks Guys
>
> I guess I am thinking to much again. I need to just FOLLOW the plans.
> This is the one big thing that has slowed down my building, thinking to
> much. I have got to learn to trust the plans more. Every time I get bogged
> down it's because I try to out think the plans.
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris Tracy
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171239#171239
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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From: Pietsrneat(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 20, 2008
Subject: Re: Decorative panel inlay
Nice touch. I can't remember seeing a nicer panel.
In a message dated 3/20/2008 11:07:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
HelsperSew(at)aol.com writes:
Here is the source for decorative panel inlays.
_http://www.rockler.com/CategoryView.cfm?Cat_ID=1433_
(http://www.rockler.com/CategoryView.cfm?Cat_ID=1433)
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
do not archive
**************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL
Home.
(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)
________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 20, 2008
Subject: Re: Decorative panel inlay
Thanks Ron,
I wanted to end up with a distinctive airplane when complete. I have seen a
lot of really plain instrument panels which is good I suppose if you are a
purist. I am a purist of sorts I guess but have my own ideas like a lot of guys.
Some of the things I have done to my airplane are neat, but do add weight. I
am fortunate enough to be only 147 lbs. so I can justify it to a point.
Thanks for the encouragement.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
**************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL
Home.
(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 20, 2008
From: "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Control Horn mounting
I agree.
Why buy the plans , if you don't use them?
What's the old ditty?,,,"you can modify the plans and build a good
plane,,,,or follow the plans, and build a better one. (or something
like that)
I can't remember. :^)
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it"
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control Horn mounting
Happens to me all the time Chris. With me I think it because I work as
a software engineer and I am always prototyping thinks many different
ways before I decide on the best way to go even if provided a detailed
design (they call it "Not invented here syndrome"). However you soon
realize that it is almost free to redirect some electrons a different
way around a computer chip but when you try to "improve" BP's landing
gear or elevator design and you start seeing welded 4130 tubing and
epoxied spruce pile up in your trash can you have to get a grip and
start repeating to yourself "Follow the Plans!, Follow the Plans!, .....
Rick
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Catdesigns
wrote:
Thanks Guys
I guess I am thinking to much again. I need to just FOLLOW the
plans. This is the one big thing that has slowed down my building,
thinking to much. I have got to learn to trust the plans more. Every
time I get bogged down it's because I try to out think the plans.
Thanks
Chris
--------
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171239#171239
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 20, 2008
Subject: Re: Control Horn mounting
Hi Guys,
I too was a little intimidated by the control horn construction. But one of
the reasons I took on the project was to learn how to do new things and be
creative. I am so glad I stuck with the plans and made the horns to Bernard's
specs. I was very proud of these parts when I finished, partly because
perseverance paid off and that is a good feeling.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
**************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL
Home.
(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)
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Subject: plans-built horns are super light and super strong
Date: Mar 20, 2008
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
It was a bit of a challenge making the control horns but why add the
extra weight back at the tail too ?
I say if you're in a rush and don't care about what your plane ends up
weighing, make the thicker single 4130 slab
horns but otherwise make the two-piece ones. I was very impressed with
how light they turned out and how
incredibly strong they are.
Mike C.
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Date: Mar 21, 2008
From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: Windshield thickness
I have "access" to a large sheet of either Plexiglass or Lexan, I don't know which,
but it is only 0.078" thick...I think most of the builders are using 1/8",
so is this stuff too thin to use for a windshield?
John F.
GN-1 / Corvair
Richmond, TX
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________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Windshield thickness
Date: Mar 21, 2008
From: hvandervoo(at)aol.com
John,
I just checked mine and it is .08 standard home depot Lexan.
First day of Spring was a beautiful flying day, I skipped work early to
get a few minutes of flying in.
Regards
Hans
-----Original Message-----
From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
Sent: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 6:36 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Windshield thickness
I have "access" to a large sheet of either Plexiglass or Lexan, I don't
know
which, but it is only 0.078" thick...I think most of the builders are
using
1/8", so is this stuff too thin to use for a windshield?
John F.
GN-1 / Corvair
Richmond, TX
________________________________________
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Subject: Re: Windshield thickness
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Mar 21, 2008
John,
Mine is .080" thick plexiglass. Seems to work fine although it wouldn't hurt to
have .125". The thinner is easier to work with I suppose.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: Corvair engine package for sale
From: "MikeD" <mjdt(at)auracom.com>
Date: Mar 21, 2008
I just listed a "firewall forward" sale item on Barnstormers.com. I am selling
the engine, cowl, prop, engine mount, and electrics from a project I recently
bought, since I already have a Continental planned for the aircraft. You'll find
it if you search "Corvair angine package".
The engine is converted per BHP's specs, has something like 40 hours run-in time
on a test stand, and no air time. The molded cowl parts were done on BHP's original
mold. The builder was keen on authenticity throughout the entire project.
Please take a look. We're planning to make the drive down from Ontario to Colorado
to pick this up somewhere in April, likely later in the month. Ideally for
a US customer we would dismount the engine etc. while there and ship it from
CO. Makes for a lighter trip home and fewer questions at the border.
I hope I have posted this in the spirit of the forum guidelines - it's the only
thing I have for sale, I'm not a peddler.
Cheers,
Mike D.
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 22, 2008
Subject: Re: 1st rib
Congratulations Gary!! Now you are on your way to a wonderful experience. I
am 8 years and counting. Hopefully you will finish sooner.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Home.
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Subject: Re: Corvair engine package for sale
From: "=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Date: Mar 22, 2008
Mike
How much are you asking for the package?
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From: "MikeD" <mjdt(at)auracom.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:30:03
To:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine package for sale
I just listed a "firewall forward" sale item on Barnstormers.com. I am selling
the engine, cowl, prop, engine mount, and electrics from a project I recently
bought, since I already have a Continental planned for the aircraft. You'll find
it if you search "Corvair angine package".
The engine is converted per BHP's specs, has something like 40 hours run-in time
on a test stand, and no air time. The molded cowl parts were done on BHP's original
mold. The builder was keen on authenticity throughout the entire project.
Please take a look. We're planning to make the drive down from Ontario to Colorado
to pick this up somewhere in April, likely later in the month. Ideally for
a US customer we would dismount the engine etc. while there and ship it from
CO. Makes for a lighter trip home and fewer questions at the border.
I hope I have posted this in the spirit of the forum guidelines - it's the only
thing I have for sale, I'm not a peddler.
Cheers,
Mike D.
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From: TBYH(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 22, 2008
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 03/21/08
Congratulations, Gary!!! You're on your way. Reminds me of a local surgeon
who climbed Mt. Everest a few years ago...he said that climbing Everest was
simple - just thousands of small, deliberate steps all connected together! Same
can be said for completing a Piet!
I like the idea of a Pietenpol Society secret handshake! Maybe we can develop
such a thing at Brodhead this summer. Only 120 days or so away!
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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Subject: Re: Corvair engine package for sale
From: "MikeD" <mjdt(at)auracom.com>
Date: Mar 22, 2008
Amsafetyc wrote:
> Mike
>
> How much are you asking for the package?
>
> John
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> --
3K for the lot.
Mike
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Subject: Re: Windshield thickness
From: "jimd" <jlducey(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Mar 22, 2008
Mine is 1/8th, not sure I like it... , wish I had a good set of plans for a windshield
and mounting.
May end up redoing it using the fly baby style windshield, lot of work though.
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Subject: Re: Fuel Transfer Tank.
From: "jimd" <jlducey(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Mar 22, 2008
Just got back from my local new Bass Pro, they had a 15 gallon gas tank that was
on wheels like wheeled luggage, with about a 8 ft hose and a filling station
style spigot, looked like you pump it up with air and fill. It was $150 and looked
like it would be ideal for piets. Not huge, but that would be about the
amount you typically need.
Jim
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Subject: Re: N number paint
From: "jimd" <jlducey(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Mar 22, 2008
Be sure they are plain numbers, not some odd font. We had a DAR (ex-career FAA)
talk at our last EAA meeting about what you need to do to get your plane certified,
and said N numbers are a sore point for a lot of inspectors, they want
them to the regs on size/placement and easily readable, with no adornment or paint
schemes that might make it hard to pick out the numbers from the rest of
the paint job.
Vinyl would make it much easier to change if it wasn't liked.
Jim
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Date: Mar 22, 2008
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: 1st rib
That's just about where I am, started and finished the tailfeathers in
2000.
Now here it is, 2008 and 740 hours later. I'm working on my 3 ft center
section now. It's mounted but will be off again for tank fitting and
installation,
ply covering, etc.
This thing sure does look different with it sitting up there!.I keep
promising
myself I'll take pictures but I seem to spend that time making engine
noises. :-)
Clif
"So many worlds, so much to do, so little done, such things to be." ~
Lord Alfred Tennyson
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib
Congratulations Gary!! Now you are on your way to a wonderful
experience. I am 8 years and counting. Hopefully you will finish sooner.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 23, 2008
Subject: Vintage altimeter on Ebay
OK fellas, here ya go. A 4" vintage non-sensitive altimeter on Ebay item #
320228332790, currently at $135.00. Does not have knob, but mine didn't
either. I found a nice knob from Mcmaster-Carr Supply. Good luck.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: "Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb(at)charter.net>
Subject: A New Person
Date: Mar 23, 2008
Let me introduce myself, a new person on the list-Jim Lagowski. a Pietenpol
builder in N.W. Michigan near Traverse City. I have been working on mine for
almost 4 years and am now within 2-3 months of hearing engine noise. This is
my 2nd plane, the first being an all-composite, 150mph, 2-place KIS which I
sold in '06.
My Piet. will use a 65hp Continental, hydraulic brakes, gas tank behind the
firewall, 3 piece wing and at least initally a metal prop that came with the
engine. This will help I think with weight and balance compared to a wood
prop and Model A engine. We'll see. The color scheme is ivory with green
trim, including scollops on the wings and vertical and horizontal
stabilizers. landing gear is like the Fly Baby, with no springs or bungees.
Just fat soft tires. My cabanes and landing gear Vees are laminated ash. I
still have to cover the fuselage and then paint, and then reinstall the
engine and make the engine cowlings. The tail pieces are done and painted
and the wings will be finish painted this coming week
My goal is to make Broadhead and Oshkosh this year.
I would be interested in hearing from you flyers what your experience has
been with speeds for planning purposes, such as cruise, stall, in the
pattern, on final etc. It is time to start outlining my test program. Since
I have a certified engine and prop I will only have to fly 25 hours before
taking passengers and leaving the local area. Thanks for your help!
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Subject: Highest elevation for A powered Piet?
Date: Mar 23, 2008
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
I need opinions for the following: What would be the highest elevation for a base
of operations for an A powered Piet?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: Re: Highest elevation for A powered Piet?
From: "bhassel" <bob(at)cozyworld.net>
Date: Mar 23, 2008
I know of at least one in Albuquerque - that's about a mile high. I'm in Santa
Fe and pattern altitude is about 7200 ft (though I haven't so much as bought
a stick of wood - yet). There are several in Colorado that I know of including
this one Subie Powered.
Bob
Santa Fe, NM
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 3' Center Section
Date: Mar 23, 2008
Those who are increasing the center section to 3', are you diminishing the
wings by a like amount? Does anyone have a flying example of a 3 piece wing
with a 3' center section?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group (and ribs)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib
That's just about where I am, started and finished the tailfeathers in 2000.
Now here it is, 2008 and 740 hours later. I'm working on my 3 ft center
section now. It's mounted but will be off again for tank fitting and
installation,
ply covering, etc.