Well, so that's stretching the truth just a tad, but notice I said Piet PILOT,
not the Piet itself ;o) While visiting with friends up in Anacortes, WA for the
last week or so (he's a Marine aviator, instructor, and electronic countermeasures
officer) I got about an hour of stick time in the EA-6B "Prowler" simulator
at Whidbey Island NAS. You talk about incredible! I had never "flown"
anything like this before and did pretty darned good! This was not a video game;
the cockpit is complete and accurate and although it isn't a full motion simulator,
the view is panoramic and photorealistic and the engine sounds in the
headset are accurate. I shot a virtual touch and go (VFR) to the main runway
at Whidbey, then "flew" the jet over to SeaTac for another visual approach and
landing, then the sim operator put us out at sea for carrier landings and I
got to shoot about a half-dozen of them. I didn't hit anything, didn't put the
airplane in the drink, and had a great time flying.
It was really amazing. I managed to hook a wire on my last attempt at landing
on the carrier deck, but made the mistake of failing to go to full power when
the gear hit the deck. That is counter-intuitive for a Piet pilot, just like
holding speed and attitude all the way to touchdown (no flare). The cool thing
is that the sim operator (the voice in the headset, not my buddy in the right
seat) asked me "flying left seat, you're obviously a private pilot, what do
you fly?". Figuring he didn't know from nothin' in the civilian world, I just
said "small single-engine aircraft" and that was that until my buddy mentioned
"Pietenpol" and the sim operator started chatting about how he and a friend
wanted to buy one and were working on a deal when the airplane was lost in a hangar
fire. From then on he talked to me a bit more on technique, helpfully telling
me that landing to the carrier deck is pretty much just a short/soft field
landing and to treat it like that. Very nice guy, and I shook his hand after
the sim session and told him my tail number was 41CC.
Anyway, after getting my fuel shutoff valve replaced yesterday, even with winds
15 gusting to 20 in a 10 degree x-wind, I flew 41CC to some of my best approaches
and landings ever. I flew three touch and goes at my home field, parked
the airplane to make sure my fuel valve wasn't leaking and everything was airworthy,
flew over to a nearby field to fuel up, then came back and shot two more
landings that were very satisfying. I guess that simulator time did me some
good!
It sure is fun to fly Piets... and to hear that they are known and loved far and
wide.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 08, 2008
From:
"walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject:
Re: Have to share my morning
That's a holder for my video cam.
Yeah, I perfer flying in the early AM.
Guess it's my Church.
The sites that you see are truely moving.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"Let's Legalize Freedom"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 12:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Have to share my morning
>
> Hey Walt,
>
> I wish my morning flight was as enjoyable as yours looked. It was so
> rough on mine I thought I was going to puke! What is that thing mounted
> on your cabane and diagonal strut? Isn't that 'golden hour' in the early,
> early morning the best time?!
>
> Don E. in windy, bumpy Ohio
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186808#186808
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 08, 2008
From:
"walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject:
Re: Have to share my morning
Thanks Mike,
Yeah my cheesy digital pics of the valley were alright, but My friend
Joyces landing pic was pro.
That's what she does, and does well
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"Let's Legalize Freedom"
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 10:27 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Have to share my morning
Fantastic shot of your landing Walt !!!!!!!!! That's a magazine
cover in my book....
Mike C. in Ohio
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Re: First Flight
From:
"Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date:
Jun 08, 2008
Gene,
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186824#186824
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Rob Stapleton, Jr." <foto(at)alaska.net>
Subject:
Piet pilot lands on aircraft carrier
Date:
Jun 08, 2008
Oscar,
Way cool. Thanks for sharing your experience. I have flown the C-208
simulator, the FedEx MD-11 sim, and most recently the DC-6 simulator, the
last operable one in the world.
It's amazing when you realize that you are sweating while flying these sims
just to get a heading or make a good landing...but I did.
See: http://www.alaskajournal.com/stories/050408/hom_20080504001.shtml
Rob Stapleton, Photojournalist
Anchorage, Alaska
907-230-9425
KL2AN
Skype:rob.stapleton.jr
IM Windows Live Messenger: foto(at)alaska.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 9:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet pilot lands on aircraft carrier
Well, so that's stretching the truth just a tad, but notice I said Piet
PILOT, not the Piet itself ;o) While visiting with friends up in Anacortes,
WA for the last week or so (he's a Marine aviator, instructor, and
electronic countermeasures officer) I got about an hour of stick time in the
EA-6B "Prowler" simulator at Whidbey Island NAS. You talk about incredible!
I had never "flown" anything like this before and did pretty darned good!
This was not a video game; the cockpit is complete and accurate and although
it isn't a full motion simulator, the view is panoramic and photorealistic
and the engine sounds in the headset are accurate. I shot a virtual touch
and go (VFR) to the main runway at Whidbey, then "flew" the jet over to
SeaTac for another visual approach and landing, then the sim operator put us
out at sea for carrier landings and I got to shoot about a half-dozen of
them. I didn't hit anything, didn't put the airplane in the drink, and had
a great time flyin!
g.
It was really amazing. I managed to hook a wire on my last attempt at
landing on the carrier deck, but made the mistake of failing to go to full
power when the gear hit the deck. That is counter-intuitive for a Piet
pilot, just like holding speed and attitude all the way to touchdown (no
flare). The cool thing is that the sim operator (the voice in the headset,
not my buddy in the right seat) asked me "flying left seat, you're obviously
a private pilot, what do you fly?". Figuring he didn't know from nothin' in
the civilian world, I just said "small single-engine aircraft" and that was
that until my buddy mentioned "Pietenpol" and the sim operator started
chatting about how he and a friend wanted to buy one and were working on a
deal when the airplane was lost in a hangar fire. From then on he talked to
me a bit more on technique, helpfully telling me that landing to the carrier
deck is pretty much just a short/soft field landing and to treat it like
that. Very nice gu!
y, and I shook his hand after the sim session and told him my tail number
was 41CC.
Anyway, after getting my fuel shutoff valve replaced yesterday, even with
winds 15 gusting to 20 in a 10 degree x-wind, I flew 41CC to some of my best
approaches and landings ever. I flew three touch and goes at my home field,
parked the airplane to make sure my fuel valve wasn't leaking and everything
was airworthy, flew over to a nearby field to fuel up, then came back and
shot two more landings that were very satisfying. I guess that simulator
time did me some good!
It sure is fun to fly Piets... and to hear that they are known and loved far
and wide.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 08, 2008
From:
shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
DLZ fly in August 2008 For Ohio Area Piets
Mike, Skipp, Don, Frank P., Mr Stevens (Belpree OH),
DLZ is having a fly in in August (forget exsact date but will find out) And Dad
is helping with the planning for the EAA chapter. He is wanting to see if
we can get some piets togeather for some fly-by's and maybe some brodhead style
loose formation fly overs. DLZ is just north of Columbus Ohio about 25 miles.
If any one needs to camp your welcome to camp at my house at Chapman Field
which is only 20 miles from DLZ. If anyone is interested let me know. If we
time it right we can tie up the pattern right about the time the Group of "Erector
set aviators", I mean RV'ators arive from there ego trip, and totally disregard
any parking instructions that fly-in staff give them. SORRY for the RV
bashing not all are that way, just the "LOOK AT ME" group that flys around here.
Shad
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 08, 2008
From:
shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: First Flight
Gene, Congradulations on you accomplishment!! Not many can say they built and
flew an aircraft. Now go and test her out real good and have as much fun as your
wallet allows.
Shad (NX92GB) Central Ohio
>
>
> Just a quick note that N421GN made its first flight this morning at Brown
> Field in San Diego. Long fuselage, powered by a Continental C-75. Got
> the plans in April 1999. Many thanks to Sparky (Manuel Sparks) for making
> the first flight and making it look good. Just a few adjustments, then
> I'm looking forward to many more flights to come.
>
> Gene Hubbard
> San Diego
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 08, 2008
From:
Pastor M F Townsley <miket(at)southslope.net>
Subject:
Re: Have to share my morning
Oh Man these are great pics Walt! Thanks,
And George congrats on the first flights!! Way to go!
Mike in Iowa
walt evans wrote:
> Went up this morning to scope out a stream for a kyacking friend of mine.
> Also threw in a shot, all of the builders dream about, and the flyers
> never get used to seeing.
> Then my friend took the landing
> Walt Evans
> NX140DL
>
> "Let's Legalize Freedom"
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject:
Re: First Flight
Date:
Jun 08, 2008
Good goin Gene. How about posting a pic or two.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Hubbard" <enhubbard(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight
>
>
> Just a quick note that N421GN made its first flight this morning at Brown
> Field in San Diego. Long fuselage, powered by a Continental C-75. Got
> the plans in April 1999. Many thanks to Sparky (Manuel Sparks) for making
> the first flight and making it look good. Just a few adjustments, then
> I'm looking forward to many more flights to come.
>
> Gene Hubbard
> San Diego
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date:
Jun 08, 2008
Subject:
Re: First Flight
Congratulations Gene, that's an inspiration to us all that are still building
John Recine
**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with
Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
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________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Re: DLZ fly in August 2008 For Ohio Area Piets
From:
"Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date:
Jun 08, 2008
According to the EAA website the Fly-in is on August 23. I'm marking my calendar.
I camp out sounds like fun!
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186906#186906
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject:
First Flight
Date:
Jun 08, 2008
Gene; wonderful news! Another low and slow airplane takes to the air... always
great news.
Having not flown in quite some time when I got my checkout in 41CC, my instructor
started me making approaches at 65-70 MPH... just a little down from cruise
speed... until I could judge the sink rate when the power came off. It results
in lots of float and pucker, but don't get the airplane too slow until you
get a good feel for how it acts with power off.
Mike Cuy's and Don Emch's recommendations on airspeeds are right on, and I quote:
"My numbers on final are exactly what Don Emch quoted in carrying 60 mph on
final gives some time in the flare float and is helpful on windy days when the
gusts can go to a lull and that extra few mph helps not to 'drop out' if you
get behind trees that shield the wind or just hit a lull.
55 mph is the sweet spot for my Piet giving enough time to feel for the runway
but not enough to contemplate life
and 50 gives you no grace, no second chances, no call from governor, or no kitchen
pass from embarrassing touchdowns but if executed properly yields a very short
landing roll."
Having just flown 41CC in some 15 gusting to 20 winds with a bit of a crosswind,
I can heartily endorse the above numbers. Now go and do the same!!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Steve Ruse" <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
Subject:
Re: inline fuel filters
Date:
Jun 08, 2008
Douwe,
If you use them, be sure you measure your fuel flow rate, and make sure it
is substantially more than adequate, particularly with the lowest fuel level
you ever plan on flying with, as that will result in your lowest fuel
pressure. I used a 3-gallon bucket and stopwatch to measure my flow rate.
You want to disconnect the fuel line at the carb, and keep it at the same
height as the carb inlet.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 4:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: inline fuel filters
>
>
> Hey,
>
> I have seen, and was planning on placing a small inline fuel filter on
> each
> of my lines leaving the tank where I could see them, as added insurance.
> Dick N. said his DAR made him remove these, though I have seen them on
> others.
>
> Has anyone else tried using these?
>
> Douwe
>
> ps, thanks Dick for your word of caution, I'd hate to have to redo my fuel
> system!!
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Steve Ruse" <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
Subject:
Re: inline fuel filters
Date:
Jun 08, 2008
As an alternative to a fuel filter, Aircraft Spruce sells a 74 micron
gascolator screen. I know it isn't as effective as a paper filter, but it
is a very fine screen, and only $2.70.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/gascolatorScreen.php
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 4:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: inline fuel filters
>
>
> Hey,
>
> I have seen, and was planning on placing a small inline fuel filter on
> each
> of my lines leaving the tank where I could see them, as added insurance.
> Dick N. said his DAR made him remove these, though I have seen them on
> others.
>
> Has anyone else tried using these?
>
> Douwe
>
> ps, thanks Dick for your word of caution, I'd hate to have to redo my fuel
> system!!
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date:
Jun 09, 2008
Subject:
Re: tubing size for shoulder harness assys.
Tim,
I used .032 4130 tube to fabricate my front seat shoulder harness attach
fixture. This is what the U.K. boys used in their design. My pilot seat harness
is attached all the way back to the tailpost, via a 1/8" cable.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with
Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"donald lane" <dslane(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject:
first flight
Date:
Jun 09, 2008
Gene
Congratulations!!
I hope to be there sometime later this year
Don Lane
________________________________________________________________________________
Way to go Gene,
For some reason the congrats I sent from my home computer yesterday
didn't come through (it did get struck by lightning a few weeks ago, and
hasn't been the same since).
I hope to be able to see it the next time I'm in San Diego. Are you
going to fly it to Brodhead this year? That would be quite a trip from
San Diego.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt
evans
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Gene,
Congratulations!!
This is a feeling you'll never forget.
Thumbs up!!!!
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"Let's Legalize Freedom"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Hubbard" <enhubbard(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 2:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight
>
>
> Just a quick note that N421GN made its first flight this morning at
Brown
> Field in San Diego. Long fuselage, powered by a Continental C-75.
Got
> the plans in April 1999. Many thanks to Sparky (Manuel Sparks) for
making
> the first flight and making it look good. Just a few adjustments,
then
> I'm looking forward to many more flights to come.
>
> Gene Hubbard
> San Diego
>
>
>
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From:
"Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject:
first flight
Date:
Jun 09, 2008
Congratulations Gene!
My hat is off to you for finishing, and I wish you many wonderful hours in
the sky!!
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date:
Jun 09, 2008
Subject:
Re: tubing size for shoulder harness assys.
Tim,
Tubing diameter is .50.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with
Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
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________________________________________________________________________________
From:
AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date:
Jun 09, 2008
Subject:
Love hate List
Okay gang here's the concept,
Each of us as owners and builders have a set of things they wished they had
done, are glad they did or regret doing as far as the build goes in addition
to features or unnecessary modifications.
For the rest of us in the building phase it would be great to have the
benefit of that regret while consideration improvements, modifications or upgrades.
For myself as I contemplate slight design alterations and preconceived
improvements it would be nice to get the view point from others that have tried
and love their modification or hate it.
Anyone interested in sharing or setting up a love hate list and the reason
for the builders comments.
John
**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with
Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject:
DLZ fly in August 2008 For Ohio Area Piets
Date:
Jun 08, 2008
Shad, I'm in, weather and spouse plans permitting. I looked at my calendar and
already had the weekend Aug 16 with your name and DLZ on there. Don said EAA has
the next weekend, either way sounds like fun.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
Sent: 6/8/2008 5:30:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: DLZ fly in August 2008 For Ohio Area Piets
Mike, Skipp, Don, Frank P., Mr Stevens (Belpree OH),
DLZ is having a fly in in August (forget exsact date but will find out) And Dad
is helping with the planning for the EAA chapter. He is wanting to see if we
can get some piets togeather for some fly-by's and maybe some brodhead style
loose formation fly overs. DLZ is just north of Columbus Ohio about 25 miles.
If any one needs to camp your welcome to camp at my house at Chapman Field which
is only 20 miles from DLZ. If anyone is interested let me know. If we time
it right we can tie up the pattern right about the time the Group of "Erector
set aviators", I mean RV'ators arive from there ego trip, and totally disregard
any parking instructions that fly-in staff give them. SORRY for the RV
bashing not all are that way, just the "LOOK AT ME" group that flys around here.
Shad
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject:
tenpol-List:Hegy prop
Date:
Jun 08, 2008
Hey Don,
Do you remember the numbers you got with the Hegy 72x44? Felix the GN-1
will cruse about 72 mph at 1950. Flat out will be about 78 at 2150. The
funny thing is it didn't seem to loose anything in climb, tho I have no
objective way to know for sure.
With the McCauley 73x43 it got 68 mph at 2150 in cruse and maybe 75 at 2350
all out level.
Skip
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 09, 2008
From:
"walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject:
Re: Love hate List
John,
I think that is a GREAT idea!!
Will it be by separate emails,,or a columned list that we somehow add
to?
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"Let's Legalize Freedom"
----- Original Message -----
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 9:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Love hate List
Okay gang here's the concept,
Each of us as owners and builders have a set of things they wished
they had done, are glad they did or regret doing as far as the build
goes in addition to features or unnecessary modifications.
For the rest of us in the building phase it would be great to have the
benefit of that regret while consideration improvements, modifications
or upgrades.
For myself as I contemplate slight design alterations and preconceived
improvements it would be nice to get the view point from others that
have tried and love their modification or hate it.
Anyone interested in sharing or setting up a love hate list and the
reason for the builders comments.
John
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler
Florence" on AOL Food.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date:
Jun 09, 2008
Subject:
Re: Love hate List
Walt,
Thanks for the encouragement. Actually I have no idea how it would work or
how we can add to it its just a concept for the moment, however I think it
should be something that lists the builder, the modification change or
alteration, the result, satisfied or not and the why or why not for the
dissatisfaction as some may be structural. cosmetic, functionality,performance
and safety
of flight.and any other reason imaginable.
At Broadhead last year I spoke to builders about the addition of a step, a
flop and a forward pit door, none of which were too encouraging and actually
cautioned against it. As useless non functional and a waste of time and
resources. That being the case I though those type comments from people who have
made the alterations may be helpful in the planning and decision making process
for all the builders and owners. Since all I have are the makings of what a
fuse should look like I don't have much to regret as of yet and although I
planned for a front pit door with support structure I have not cut and at this
point do not plan on cutting the upper longeron to accommodate a front
passenger easier with the possibility of compromising the structural integrity
of
my ship. Left to my own devices I would consider an ejection seat and jet
engine so the trip to get me back on perspective and plan. It is always good to
return to the origin and cleanse ones self of the worldly baggage of luxury
and return to a minimalist concept of purity
Those type of considerations may be helpful to other builders that have not
the time or benefit to experience Broadhead, Pietenpol Mecca.
BTW I am planning a return pilgrimage to Mecca for the 08
John
In a message dated 6/9/2008 12:30:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
waltdak(at)verizon.net writes:
John,
I think that is a GREAT idea!!
Will it be by separate emails,,or a columned list that we somehow add to?
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"Let's Legalize Freedom"
----- Original Message -----
From: _AMsafetyC(at)aol.com_ (mailto:AMsafetyC(at)aol.com)
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 9:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Love hate List
Okay gang here's the concept,
Each of us as owners and builders have a set of things they wished they had
done, are glad they did or regret doing as far as the build goes in addition
to features or unnecessary modifications.
For the rest of us in the building phase it would be great to have the
benefit of that regret while consideration improvements, modifications or upgrades.
For myself as I contemplate slight design alterations and preconceived
improvements it would be nice to get the view point from others that have tried
and love their modification or hate it.
Anyone interested in sharing or setting up a love hate list and the reason
for the builders comments.
John
____________________________________
Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. _Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence"
on AOL Food_
(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) .
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Love hate List
Date:
Jun 09, 2008
From:
"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Love the nose fuel tank----easy to fill, no messes of fuel in the
cockpits,no climbing way up above the wing to fill the center section.
Love the center section baggage compartment. Tent, folding chair, tie
downs, sleeping bag, extra oil, rags, paper towels.
Hate the fact that I raised my seat 2" above the plans. Should have
left well enough alone but wanted better vis. over the nose.
Dumb.....dumb, dumb.
Love the fuel burn compared to my P-51 Mustang. (yeah right)
Love the wire wheels.
Love the straight axel and wood gear.
Love the light grade dacron fabric. It filled quickly, less coats of
paint, less weight.
Hate that it's not a super chick magnet plane like a Turbine Legend or
Cirrus. I kind of knew that going into it though:)
Love the tight patterns that you can fly with a Piet and cutting inside
morons who do approaches that resemble airliners into LaGuardia. I
thought that you're supposed to be able to reach the runway from
wherever you are in your pattern if your engine quits ? I hardly see
any pilots anymore who fly like that. I digress.
Love that I raised the instrument panels and turtledeck 1" above plans
height.
Loved that I installed a storage area behind pilot's seat going quite a
ways back in the turtledeck area.
Love the folding/removable seat for inspection purposes.
Hate that I have to clean the bugs off when I'm done flying. Prior to
marriage my girlfriend always used to help with that.
Love the wood prop.
Love the folding wings and trailerability I have:)
Mike C. in Ohio
[
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 09, 2008
From:
shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
DLZ Fly in
Guys, the DLZ Fly-in is August 16-17. The one on the 23rd is only the pankake
breakfast. So the big DLZ fly in is AUGUST 16-17. There is supposed to be a
B-17 and whatever else shows up. Afterwards (Sat night would be best) we can
fly back to my house cook out, have some cold ones if your camping, and tell lies.
I hope to see you all before that, Like at Brodhead, then we'll have the
mini piet fly in a month later.
Shad
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 09, 2008
From:
Ryan Michals <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Have to share my morning
Beautiful, Walt! Could you send us #51 full size for the desktop. I think it could
be a avweb POTW winner!
walt evans wrote: Went up this morning to scope
out a stream for a kyacking friend of mine.
Also threw in a shot, all of the builders dream about, and the flyers never get
used to seeing.
Then my friend took the landing
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"Let's Legalize Freedom"
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject:
go-kart brakes
Date:
Jun 09, 2008
Hey everybody,
I've built up a new set of wheels using 6" go-cart drum brakes. I am
debating whether I should use bicycle cables and accessories or motorcycle
stuff to actuate them. It seems as if the tensile strength of good bike
stuff should be plenty, and it is certainly easier to get DYI parts to build
up a system, but thought I'd ask for anyone's input.
Thanks
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 09, 2008
From:
"walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject:
Re: go-kart brakes
Douwe,
I used smaller drums,,,4 1/2 I think, and used bicycle cables with good
results.
"nothing flew off yet"
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"Let's Legalize Freedom"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 8:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: go-kart brakes
>
>
> Hey everybody,
>
> I've built up a new set of wheels using 6" go-cart drum brakes. I am
> debating whether I should use bicycle cables and accessories or motorcycle
> stuff to actuate them. It seems as if the tensile strength of good bike
> stuff should be plenty, and it is certainly easier to get DYI parts to
> build
> up a system, but thought I'd ask for anyone's input.
>
> Thanks
>
> Douwe
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Love the circular cutout in the wing with a handhold for cockpit
entry/egress
Love the steps I made for cockpit entry/egress
Love the centersection fuel tank with no worries about fuel pressure
Hate re-fueling the centersection fuel tank, with excess fuel running
right into my seat
Love the large baggage compartment between the firewall and front
cockpit (where most people put the fuel tank)
Hate the cheap nylon fittings I used on the low-pressure side of the
brake system - they leak constantly
Love the avionics installation in the centersection - easy to operate
and doesn't detract from the antique look
Love the brakelines routed through the middle of the aft landing gear
struts to preserve the antique look
Love the wire wheels and straight axle, even though they are heavy
Love the turtledeck and instrument panels raised 1-1/2"
Indifferent about the extra 1" added to the fuselage width - probably
would not do that again
Love the tailwheel steering cables attached to the mid section of the
rudder bar to decrease sensitivity of the tailwheel steering
Hate the Polyurethane paint - heavy and difficult to apply. Next time I
will use Polytone
Love the access panel I added underneath the elevator bellcrank
Love the dipole antenna under the leading edge plywood to not detract
from the antique appearance
Love the temperfoam seat cushions for long cross-countries
Love the lockable helmet box behind the pilot's seat to store flying
helmets and GPS
Love the Sunbrella cockpit covers my wife made for me
Love the 3-piece windshields but they were a pain to make
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 2:22 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Love hate List
Love the nose fuel tank----easy to fill, no messes of fuel in the
cockpits,no climbing way up above the wing to fill the center section.
Love the center section baggage compartment. Tent, folding chair, tie
downs, sleeping bag, extra oil, rags, paper towels.
Hate the fact that I raised my seat 2" above the plans. Should have
left well enough alone but wanted better vis. over the nose.
Dumb.....dumb, dumb.
Love the fuel burn compared to my P-51 Mustang. (yeah right)
Love the wire wheels.
Love the straight axel and wood gear.
Love the light grade dacron fabric. It filled quickly, less coats of
paint, less weight.
Hate that it's not a super chick magnet plane like a Turbine Legend or
Cirrus. I kind of knew that going into it though:)
Love the tight patterns that you can fly with a Piet and cutting inside
morons who do approaches that resemble airliners into LaGuardia. I
thought that you're supposed to be able to reach the runway from
wherever you are in your pattern if your engine quits ? I hardly see
any pilots anymore who fly like that. I digress.
Love that I raised the instrument panels and turtledeck 1" above plans
height.
Loved that I installed a storage area behind pilot's seat going quite a
ways back in the turtledeck area.
Love the folding/removable seat for inspection purposes.
Hate that I have to clean the bugs off when I'm done flying. Prior to
marriage my girlfriend always used to help with that.
Love the wood prop.
Love the folding wings and trailerability I have:)
Mike C. in Ohio
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Subject:
Love hate List
Date:
Jun 10, 2008
From:
"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Great points Jack and he noted the one thing I'd forgotten that I
love---the center section cutout
with hand-hold. Makes getting in easy and you can see some more sky
when you're in a turn too.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject:
shaky tach needle
Date:
Jun 10, 2008
G'day, Pieters;
The needle on the (mechanical) tach on 41CC looks like a hula dancer's hips when
up at cruise RPM. I get a general idea of the engine speed by reading inbetween
the swing of the needle tip arc but it sure does a shaky shake. I also know
that it reads 200 RPM high at cruise because I checked it with a digital,
optical tach. The error is low at low RPM but gets larger as I approach 2100-2200
RPM and above. I know nothing about how these tachs work and have not pulled
out the cable to see what the ends of it look like.
Can the cable be cleaned and lubricated and maybe take some of the "hula hips"
action out of the tach needle, or is it a sealed assembly? Would the cable have
any effect on the accuracy of the tach reading or is that strictly a function
of the instrument?
Thanks for any help. I think I'll go snoop the Sac Sky Ranch website to see if
they have anything about this.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Gene Rambo" <GeneRambo(at)msn.com>
Subject:
Re: shaky tach needle
Date:
Jun 10, 2008
yea, you can pull the center out of the cable and put some moly grease
on it. You can also spray a l;ittle lube in the tach itself at the
drive end, not too much. That should stop it.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga<mailto:taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
To: Pietenpol List
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: shaky tach needle
>
G'day, Pieters;
The needle on the (mechanical) tach on 41CC looks like a hula dancer's
hips when up at cruise RPM. I get a general idea of the engine speed by
reading inbetween the swing of the needle tip arc but it sure does a
shaky shake. I also know that it reads 200 RPM high at cruise because I
checked it with a digital, optical tach. The error is low at low RPM
but gets larger as I approach 2100-2200 RPM and above. I know nothing
about how these tachs work and have not pulled out the cable to see what
the ends of it look like.
Can the cable be cleaned and lubricated and maybe take some of the
"hula hips" action out of the tach needle, or is it a sealed assembly?
Would the cable have any effect on the accuracy of the tach reading or
is that strictly a function of the instrument?
Thanks for any help. I think I'll go snoop the Sac Sky Ranch website
to see if they have anything about this.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
on>
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Oscar,
Just a thought, but for less than $100, you could go to an electronic
tach. Mine is a Westach 3AT3-2. I bought one a few months ago and it
was $79, looks like they are $98.75 now from Spruce. All you have to
do it connect it to ground, and connect it to each mag P-lead through
a single selector switch to select the right or left mag. Electronic
tachs are supposed to be much more accurate than mechanical, and mine
stays very steady (no jumping) at all RPM.
As a benefit, you could remove the tach cable running to your engine.
Just a hair less clutter between the engine and cockpit, and no more
cable to maintain.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
Quoting Oscar Zuniga :
>
>
> G'day, Pieters;
>
> The needle on the (mechanical) tach on 41CC looks like a hula
> dancer's hips when up at cruise RPM. I get a general idea of the
> engine speed by reading inbetween the swing of the needle tip arc
> but it sure does a shaky shake. I also know that it reads 200 RPM
> high at cruise because I checked it with a digital, optical tach.
> The error is low at low RPM but gets larger as I approach 2100-2200
> RPM and above. I know nothing about how these tachs work and have
> not pulled out the cable to see what the ends of it look like.
>
> Can the cable be cleaned and lubricated and maybe take some of the
> "hula hips" action out of the tach needle, or is it a sealed
> assembly? Would the cable have any effect on the accuracy of the
> tach reading or is that strictly a function of the instrument?
>
> Thanks for any help. I think I'll go snoop the Sac Sky Ranch
> website to see if they have anything about this.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject:
tubing size for shoulder harness
Date:
Jun 10, 2008
And, did you by any chance see the expression on the face of the guy in the
background of the photo? Sometimes the camera catches just the wrong moment.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roman Bukolt
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tubing size for shoulder harness
Tim, Did you by any chance see Bill Rewey's version of the passenger
harness installation?
On Jun 9, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Tim Willis wrote:
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 10, 2008
From:
"David Jones" <planecrazy2020(at)gmail.com>
Subject:
Re: Love hate List
Mike,
Are you serious about having folding wings? That is the one drawback I've
had in considering building a Piet. I just retired and can't afford the
$225/mon hanger fees and been looking for something like a Kitfox or Avid.
I just sold my Cessna about a month ago and need to get back in the air.
Thanks.
David
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC] <
michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> wrote:
> Love the nose fuel tank----easy to fill, no messes of fuel in the
> cockpits,no climbing way up above the wing to fill the center section.
>
> Love the center section baggage compartment. Tent, folding chair, tie
> downs, sleeping bag, extra oil, rags, paper towels.
>
> Hate the fact that I raised my seat 2" above the plans. Should have left
> well enough alone but wanted better vis. over the nose. Dumb.....dumb,
> dumb.
>
> Love the fuel burn compared to my P-51 Mustang. (yeah right)
>
> Love the wire wheels.
>
> Love the straight axel and wood gear.
>
> Love the light grade dacron fabric. It filled quickly, less coats of
> paint, less weight.
>
> Hate that it's not a super chick magnet plane like a Turbine Legend or
> Cirrus. I kind of knew that going into it though:)
>
> Love the tight patterns that you can fly with a Piet and cutting inside
> morons who do approaches that resemble airliners into LaGuardia. I thought
> that you're supposed to be able to reach the runway from wherever you are
> in your pattern if your engine quits ? I hardly see any pilots anymore who
> fly like that. I digress.
>
> Love that I raised the instrument panels and turtledeck 1" above plans
> height.
>
> Loved that I installed a storage area behind pilot's seat going quite a
> ways back in the turtledeck area.
>
> Love the folding/removable seat for inspection purposes.
>
> Hate that I have to clean the bugs off when I'm done flying. Prior to
> marriage my girlfriend always used to help with that.
>
> Love the wood prop.
>
> Love the folding wings and trailerability I have:)
>
> Mike C. in Ohio
>
>
> [
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
No folding wings
Date:
Jun 10, 2008
From:
"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Forgive me for accidentally misleading some that I have folding wings.
I do not have folding wings.
Folding wings have been discussed ad-nauseum on the list in years past.
For all the posts just search the
Matronics archive http://www.matronics.com/search/
Mike C.
PS-- David, you're thinking correctly by looking into something that is
a proven folding-wing design like a Kitfox or Avid. That's the safest
and smartest route to care-free folding wing flying.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject:
Re: No folding wings
Date:
Jun 10, 2008
Here is a proven folding wing aircraft for sale. Price just reduced.
http://courtesyaircraft.com/Wildcat%20Proj%20sn%2086774.htm
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Jun 10, 2008, at 11:34 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC] wrote:
> Forgive me for accidentally misleading some that I have folding
> wings. I do not have folding wings.
>
> Folding wings have been discussed ad-nauseum on the list in years
> past. For all the posts just search the
> Matronics archive http://www.matronics.com/search/
>
> Mike C.
>
> PS-- David, you're thinking correctly by looking into something that
> is a proven folding-wing design like a Kitfox or Avid. That's the
> safest
> and smartest route to care-free folding wing flying.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
folding wing--price reduced
Date:
Jun 10, 2008
From:
"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
http://courtesyaircraft.com/Wildcat%20Proj%20sn%2086774.htm
Looks like it just needs a power-washing and oil change---should be good
to go.
Which lake did they pull that one up from I wonder ?
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject:
Re: folding wing--price reduced
Date:
Jun 10, 2008
Kind of reminds me of a Cub I happen to know (or is that own?)...
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Jun 10, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC] wrote:
> http://courtesyaircraft.com/Wildcat%20Proj%20sn%2086774.htm
>
> Looks like it just needs a power-washing and oil change---should be
> good to go.
> Which lake did they pull that one up from I wonder ?
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Afternoon Group,
Here we go again group members. Dad and I are going to try again building the
aircamper. The question as we get closer to start building is how do I apply T-88
with out getting it all over the place gluing the fuselage to the table. yes
knowing me that is likely to happen. I was thinking maybe some disposable paint
brushes might work then pitch them. I can't lay wax paper down because that
will screw up the glue. any thoughts on this subject?
take care,
Ben
Piet builder wanna-be
________________________________________________________________________________
Ben,
Any cheap clear film polyethylene drop cloth material will work. This will
not stick to T-88.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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________________________________________________________________________________
> how do I apply T-88 with out getting it all over the place gluing the
fuselage to the table. >
Ben:
There are plenty of ways to do this. I used popsicle sticks cut off to be
squarish on one end. You can buy these for about $1.00 per 100 at your
local Wal-Mart. Use these to mix your T-88 in relatively small batches.
Test fit your joints dry and mark the areas where T-88 is to be applied.
Then, with just enough T-88 on the stick to cover that small space, wipe
on a thin layer - being sure to apply glue to both sides of the joint.
Fasten that joint with your gusset using whatever method you have chosen
and move on to the next joint.
You will find that T-88 is not extremely runny and will stay on the joint
if you don't put it on too thick. I did this on a bare wood table and
ended up with no sticking problems. On the wing ribs, I put small pieces
of wax paper underneath each joint and allowed the excess to drip on
through. This was easy enough to clean off after the rib came out of the
jig.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
________________________________________________________________________________
Ben,
Wax paper or saran wrap will work fine. For my ribs I cut a hole under
each joint which worked well.
Jack
www.textors.com
________________________________________________________________________________
so you don't allow the rib to dry in the jig right Tom S?=0A=0A=0A=0A-----
Original Message ----=0AFrom: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS(at)MCPCITY.COM>=0ATo: piete
npol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:43:55 PM=0ASubject
: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88 questions.......................................
....again=0A=0A=0A>-how do I apply T-88 with out getting it all over the
place gluing the fuselage to the table. >=0A=0ABen:=0A-=0AThere are plent
y of ways to do this.- I used popsicle sticks cut off to be squarish on o
ne end.- You can buy these for about $1.00 per 100 at your local Wal-Mart
.- Use these to mix your T-88 in relatively small batches.- Test fit yo
ur joints dry and mark the areas where T-88 is to be applied.- Then, with
just enough T-88 on the stick-to cover that small space, wipe on a thin
layer-- being sure to apply glue to both sides of the joint.- Fasten th
at joint with your gusset using whatever method you have chosen and move on
to the next joint.=0A-=0AYou will find that T-88 is not extremely runny
and will stay on the joint if you don't put it on too thick.- I did this
on a bare wood table and ended up with no sticking problems.- On the wing
ribs, I put small pieces of wax paper underneath each joint and allowed th
e excess to drip on through.- This was easy enough to clean off after the
rib came out of the jig.=0A-=0ATom Stinemetze=0AMcPherson, KS.=0A=0A=0A_
-========================
-========================
=======0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
RBush96589(at)aol.com
Date:
Jun 10, 2008
Subject:
climb performance
Hey Dick,
Sorry for the late response to your question about the corvair
powered piet climb performance,but over the weekend with temps in the upper
eighties and gross weight of about 1250 ibs,climbing out at between 60 and 65
mph my vsi read around 300 to 400fpm.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
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________________________________________________________________________________
>so you don't allow the rib to dry in the jig right Tom S? <
Ben:
Yes, I did let my ribs set in the jig overnight to let the T-88 set.
However, you don't have to if you build your jig correctly and use staples
or nails to attach your gussetts. I did it the slow way since I was doing
plenty of other things at the same time and just building ribs can get
pretty tedious. If you will search the archives you will be able to find
several posts from folks who jigged up the rib, attached the first set of
gussets, and then took the rib out of the jig and put the second set of
gussets on. I didn't try that so can't say Yea or Nay. I even remember
one post where the jig was tall enough to stack two or three ribs at a
time. It's your project - find what works for you.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.
The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit
to hereditary pejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence
." Albert Einstein
________________________________________________________________________________
David
The good news is you got some serious build time that you can do almost anywhere
depending on your determination and commitment level.
I am building in a basement and don't expect to need a hanger for at least another
year. So not a real big concern for me at this point eventhough I am on the
waiting list
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "David Jones" <planecrazy2020(at)gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:20:38
To:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Love hate List
Mike,
Are you serious about having folding wings? That is the one drawback I've had in
considering building a Piet. I just retired and can't afford the $225/mon hanger
fees and been looking for something like a Kitfox or Avid. I just sold my
Cessna about a month ago and need to get back in the air.
Thanks.
David
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC] > wrote:
Love the nose fuel tank----easy to fill, no messes of fuel in the cockpits,no climbing
way up above the wing to fill the center section.
Love the center section baggage compartment. Tent, folding chair, tie downs, sleeping
bag, extra oil, rags, paper towels.
Hate the fact that I raised my seat 2" above the plans. Should have left well enough
alone but wanted better vis. over the nose. Dumb.....dumb, dumb.
Love the fuel burn compared to my P-51 Mustang. (yeah right)
Love the wire wheels.
Love the straight axel and wood gear.
Love the light grade dacron fabric. It filled quickly, less coats of paint, less
weight.
Hate that it's not a super chick magnet plane like a Turbine Legend or Cirrus.
I kind of knew that going into it though:)
Love the tight patterns that you can fly with a Piet and cutting inside morons
who do approaches that resemble airliners into LaGuardia. I thought that you're
supposed to be able to reach the runway from wherever you are in your pattern
if your engine quits ? I hardly see any pilots anymore who fly like that. I
digress.
Love that I raised the instrument panels and turtledeck 1" above plans height.
Loved that I installed a storage area behind pilot's seat going quite a ways back
in the turtledeck area.
Love the folding/removable seat for inspection purposes.
Hate that I have to clean the bugs off when I'm done flying. Prior to marriage
my girlfriend always used to help with that.
Love the wood prop.
Love the folding wings and trailerability I have:)
Mike C. in Ohio
[
________________________________________________________________________________
Any piets in the syracuse ny area? I am here for a few days and thought I would
ask
John
------Original Message------
From: Jack T. Textor
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Jun 10, 2008 3:20 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: T-88 questions...........................................again
Ben,
Wax paper or saran wrap will work fine. For my ribs I cut a hole under
each joint which worked well.
Jack
www.textors.com
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 10, 2008
From:
Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject:
Piets in DC area?
Any Piets in the Washington, DC area? I'm visiting there Fri-Tues and
have most of Sun and all of Monday free.
Thanks,
Jeff
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Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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Being the thrifty scrounger that I am, I used cut up pieces of plastic
grocery bags under my joints. It is a little stronger than Saran Wrap,
and you don't have to worry about wax residue messing up gluing the
opposite side. As someone else suggested, I used pieces of wood to
spread my glue. I made all my own cap strips, so using some thin stock
that was left over and laying all over the shop worked out well. I used
plastic medicine cups with graduations on them to mix my T-88 and that
worked well. They were $3 for a 100 count and I've used less than 200
in the whole project. One other suggestion: When making your ribs
smear the inside of the plywood pieces with a thin coat of T-88, because
that area is VERY hard to varnish after the wing is assembled.
T-88 is a great product and very forgiving. Have fun with this.....
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Ben Ramler wrote:
>
> Afternoon Group,
> Here we go again group members. Dad and I are going to try again building
the aircamper. The question as we get closer to start building is how do I apply
T-88 with out getting it all over the place gluing the fuselage to the table.
yes knowing me that is likely to happen. I was thinking maybe some disposable
paint brushes might work then pitch them. I can't lay wax paper down because
that will screw up the glue. any thoughts on this subject?
> take care,
> Ben
> Piet builder wanna-be
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Ben
You scrounger you! You and I could be good buddies! Keep it up!
Mike in Iowa
Ben Charvet wrote:
>
>
> Being the thrifty scrounger that I am, I used cut up pieces of plastic
> grocery bags under my joints. It is a little stronger than Saran
> Wrap, and you don't have to worry about wax residue messing up gluing
> the opposite side. As someone else suggested, I used pieces of wood
> to spread my glue. I made all my own cap strips, so using some thin
> stock that was left over and laying all over the shop worked out
> well. I used plastic medicine cups with graduations on them to mix my
> T-88 and that worked well. They were $3 for a 100 count and I've used
> less than 200 in the whole project. One other suggestion: When
> making your ribs smear the inside of the plywood pieces with a thin
> coat of T-88, because that area is VERY hard to varnish after the wing
> is assembled.
> T-88 is a great product and very forgiving. Have fun with this.....
>
> Ben Charvet
> Mims, Fl
>
>
> Ben Ramler wrote:
>>
>>
>> Afternoon Group,
>> Here we go again group members. Dad and I are going to try again
>> building the aircamper. The question as we get closer to start
>> building is how do I apply T-88 with out getting it all over the
>> place gluing the fuselage to the table. yes knowing me that is likely
>> to happen. I was thinking maybe some disposable paint brushes might
>> work then pitch them. I can't lay wax paper down because that will
>> screw up the glue. any thoughts on this subject?
>> take care,
>> Ben
>> Piet builder wanna-be
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Date:
Jun 10, 2008
From:
Ben Ramler <ben_ramler2002(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
project "piet"
Hi all,
I wanted to write to say that I guess in the couple of days I will be building the ribs for what I call "project piet". I have updated my personal webpage devoted the project and I will add new information as I go forward. the url is www.ben-aircamper.4t.com.
take care
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Subject:
Re: Piets in DC area?
From:
"chase143" <chase143(at)aol.com>
Date:
Jun 10, 2008
Hello Jeff,
I have approximately 1/1500 of my Pietenpol complete, 30 mins outside of DC on
the MD side, if you are really bored! Fifteen ribs completed to date, not much
to look at, but there is steady progress in the shop. The door is always open
and the beer is always cold!
Steve Chase
chase143(at)aol.com
www.myrv8.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187298#187298
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ben_ramler2002(at)yahoo.c wrote:
> Afternoon Group,
> I can't lay wax paper down because that will screw up the glue.
If you are not in scrounging mode, small rolls of polyethylene are cheap at Home
Depot or the like, if you use a medium thickness like 3-6 mil it is tough enough
to peel stuck parts and glue from it without trouble.
Waxes are indeed soluble in epoxy to some degree, for example waxed paper cups
are a no-no for mixing.
--------
Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer
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Subject:
Re: Love hate List
From:
"MikeD" <mjdt(at)auracom.com>
Date:
Jun 11, 2008
Love this thread already.
That's all I have at this point, but I will be scouring those "love points" for
ideas that I can still incorporate at this stage.
Mike D.
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Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer
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Subject:
Re: Piets in DC area?
From:
"chase143" <chase143(at)aol.com>
Date:
Jun 11, 2008
Hello Jack,
We're still looking forward to coming over for the day, hope to see you there.
Thanks for participating in the Dulles open house!
Steve
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187366#187366
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We use a lot of sticky epoxy mixtures on composite aircraft, most people use
common 2" wide plastic film packing tape. It has the added advantage of
staying where you put it and it is micro thin. I could see putting a piece of
this down under a glued joint.
Regards, Chrissi
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
www.CozyGirrrl.com
Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo
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Subject:
Wing Building
From:
"Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)comcast.net>
Date:
Jun 11, 2008
(Crossing fingers)
Im about a month away from starting assembly of the 3-piece wing. I was wondering
if anyone has built their wings vertically (i.e. leading edge up) instead of
horizontal lying flat on a bench? If so, could I get some pictures and/or descriptions
of how to jig this up. Reason why I want to do this is I could work
on both wings at the same time and it would fit so much better in my garage.
I have a few ideas of my own but just thought I would ask. Usually my ideas
cause delays, frustration, and added cost.
How are the rest of you building your wings? Is there a better way then the way
I am thinking? Or should I just cave in and kick the wifes car out of the garage.
Chris
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Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187399#187399
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Date:
Jun 11, 2008
From:
"walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject:
Re: Wing Building
proof read :^)
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"Let's Legalize Freedom"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building
>
>
> (Crossing fingers)
>
> I?Tm about a month away from starting assembly of the 3-piece wing. I was
> wondering if anyone has built their wings vertically (i.e. leading edge
> up) instead of horizontal lying flat on a bench? If so, could I get some
> pictures and/or descriptions of how to jig this up. Reason why I want to
> do this is I could work on both wings at the same time and it would fit so
> much better in my garage. I have a few ideas of my own but just thought I
> would ask. Usually my ideas cause delays, frustration, and added cost.
>
> How are the rest of you building your wings? Is there a better way then
> the way I am thinking? Or should I just cave in and kick the wife?Ts car
> out of the garage.
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris Tracy
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187399#187399
>
>
>
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Subject:
Wing Building
Date:
Jun 11, 2008
From:
"Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Chris,
I'm doing mine on a 16' bench and it is working well. When building my RV8 they
were built vertically which also worked well. When doing the RV you had each
spar held at each end in a floor to ceiling jig. They were aligned with fishing
line secured in the forward (top) spar and treaded through a hole in the
lower (rear) spar secured to a weight. You could continually check the alignment
by making sure the line was in the hole center. With the RV you also had
to support the center of the spar so it wouldn't sag. As soon as you had the skin
clecoed on the spar and ribs the support wasn't needed. It seems to me this
would be hard with a wood wing since it would need to be supported until all
the cross braces, compression struts, drag wires, leading edge cap, etc were
in place. Hope this helps.
Jack
www.textors.com
Im about a month away from starting assembly of the 3-piece wing. I was wondering
if anyone has built their wings vertically (i.e. leading edge up) instead of
horizontal lying flat on a bench? If so, could I get some pictures and/or descriptions
of how to jig this up. Reason why I want to do this is I could work
on both wings at the same time and it would fit so much better in my garage.
I have a few ideas of my own but just thought I would ask. Usually my ideas
cause delays, frustration, and added cost.
How are the rest of you building your wings? Is there a better way then the way
I am thinking? Or should I just cave in and kick the wifes car out of the garage.
Chris
--------
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187399#187399
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Date:
Jun 11, 2008
From:
"TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject:
Re: Wing Building
I would be curious to know, for those of us who started this project while married;
how many of us are still married to the same wife as when it all started?
Tom S.
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Not me. She left about the time I was getting ready to cover. New wife
arrived as I was finishing the painting. She will be flying with me in
the Pietenpol this weekend, on a 4 hour trip from Raleigh to Washington
DC. Now THAT's a flying wife.
Not that she really understands or appreciates "Low and Slow". She
prefers flying the RV-4 and getting there quickly. On the one occasion
when she's gone up in the Pietenpol, she remarked as we were climbing
out after takeoff from a 6,000' runway "We've been flying for over a
minute and we still haven't gotten to the end of the runway!" I told
her we were doing 50 mph and the runway is 6,000 feet long. Do the
math. So we'll see what she thinks after a Pietenpol Cross-Country.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM
STINEMETZE
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building
I would be curious to know, for those of us who started this project
while married; how many of us are still married to the same wife as when
it all started?
Tom S.
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Subject:
marriage & building
Date:
Jun 11, 2008
From:
"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Jack's story had a happy twist and I've had the pleasure of meeting his
aviation-supportive
wife. Not only does she tolerate Jack but likes flying too !
I had nine years of unwedded bliss and built my airplane in that period.
My first wife actually
enjoyed flying and went with me quite often. Flying was not the
downfall of our marriage
but just to be on the safe side I built and flew my Pietenpol during my
nine year hiatus from
marriage. Today my wife is supportive of me flying and I can spend as
much time doing that
as I care to which is a plus.
Mike C.
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Date:
Jun 11, 2008
From:
santiago morete <moretesantiago(at)yahoo.com.ar>
Subject:
Wing Building
Chris,
Here is how Chuck Guntzer built his one piece wing http://nx770cg.com/Wing.html, good luck
Saludos
Santiago
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From:
"Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject:
Wing Building
Date:
Jun 11, 2008
Chris,
Personally, I find that I am much less productive when I'm lying flat on a
bench. I get more done when I'm standing up... or were you referring to the
wing lying flat on the bench?
On another note, you can put a car IN the garage???
Bill C.
(you were probably looking for a useful reply, too)
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Date:
Jun 11, 2008
From:
H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject:
selling both planes
I can't aford the hanger fees any longer and the price of gas has just forc
ed me to say both C-IOVC and C-IBBE have to go. The-GN-1 Aircamper-for
$17,500.00 and the N3 Pup for $8,000.00.I hate doing this because I love bo
th my planes but something has to go.-Contact me off list at harvey.rule@
rogers.com or harvey.rule(at)bell.ca or 613-739-5562. for pics and more info.
=0A
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Date:
Jun 11, 2008
From:
"Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject:
Re: marriage & building
Jess and I have been married 1.5 years, and everything is going swimmingly.
She is very supportive of the Pietenpol build. As an example, right now I
have a band saw on the buffet, the kitchen table is covered with a belt
sander, rib jig, plans, a fresh Stromberg carb, etc. There's 500 feet of
spruce in a box in front of the TV. Some birch ply behind the couch, and a
pair of Corvair case halves on Roy's kennel. We have a one bedroom apt in
the middle of Chicago, so we haven't much room, but it can be done! (Albeit
slowly...)
It certainly helps to have a willing partner through the whole process. Have
a good one,
Ryan
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC] <
michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> Jack's story had a happy twist and I've had the pleasure of meeting his
> aviation-supportive
> wife. Not only does she tolerate Jack but likes flying too !
>
> I had nine years of unwedded bliss and built my airplane in that period.
> My first wife actually
> enjoyed flying and went with me quite often. Flying was not the downfall
> of our marriage
> but just to be on the safe side I built and flew my Pietenpol during my
> nine year hiatus from
> marriage. Today my wife is supportive of me flying and I can spend as much
> time doing that
> as I care to which is a plus.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Mike
I'm shure many of us are shocked to hear wax paper shouldnt be used under
wing ribs. I have now built 3 sets of wings and havent had any problems, so
far.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "MikeD" <mjdt(at)auracom.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: T-88
questions...........................................aga
>
>
> ben_ramler2002(at)yahoo.c wrote:
>> Afternoon Group,
>> I can't lay wax paper down because that will screw up the
>> glue.
>
>
> If you are not in scrounging mode, small rolls of polyethylene are cheap
> at Home Depot or the like, if you use a medium thickness like 3-6 mil it
> is tough enough to peel stuck parts and glue from it without trouble.
>
> Waxes are indeed soluble in epoxy to some degree, for example waxed paper
> cups are a no-no for mixing.
>
> --------
> Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187338#187338
>
>
>
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From:
"Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject:
Re: climb performance
Date:
Jun 11, 2008
Randy
Thanks for the figures. Similar to mine. That next 60 lbs. seems to
have pushed the envelope and I have an additional 1 ft of wing span and
110 hp.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: RBush96589(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: climb performance
Hey Dick,
Sorry for the late response to your question about the
corvair powered piet climb performance,but over the weekend with temps
in the upper eighties and gross weight of about 1250 ibs,climbing out at
between 60 and 65 mph my vsi read around 300 to 400fpm.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
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From:
"gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject:
Re: Wing Building
Date:
Jun 11, 2008
I am still married to the same woman but it cost me a $60,000 kitchen
remodel........
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building
>
> I would be curious to know, for those of us who started this project while
> married; how many of us are still married to the same wife as when it all
> started?
>
> Tom S.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com>
Subject:
marriage & building
Date:
Jun 11, 2008
I just got divorced a few months ago. I have Piet tail surfaces in the
bedroom, KR-2S spars in the dining room, KR-2 spars in the foyer, a Sonerai
instrument panel on the kitchen table, a Piet center section and fuel tank
in the living room, a Mustang II fuel tank in the living room, two props
leaning up against the TV stand, more airplane parts in my office than we
have time to detail, and I am about to set up some saw horses in the living
room to assemble and cover the Piet wings on.
Now if I can ever get the ex to get the rest of her clothes, nick knacks,
vases, plastic flowers and plants, and all that other junk out of the house
it would not look so cluttered.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:25 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: marriage & building
Jess and I have been married 1.5 years, and everything is going
swimmingly. She is very supportive of the Pietenpol build. As an example,
right now I have a band saw on the buffet, the kitchen table is covered with
a belt sander, rib jig, plans, a fresh Stromberg carb, etc. There's 500 feet
of spruce in a box in front of the TV. Some birch ply behind the couch, and
a pair of Corvair case halves on Roy's kennel. We have a one bedroom apt in
the middle of Chicago, so we haven't much room, but it can be done! (Albeit
slowly...)
It certainly helps to have a willing partner through the whole process.
Have a good one,
Ryan
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]
wrote:
Jack's story had a happy twist and I've had the pleasure of meeting his
aviation-supportive
wife. Not only does she tolerate Jack but likes flying too !
I had nine years of unwedded bliss and built my airplane in that period.
My first wife actually
enjoyed flying and went with me quite often. Flying was not the
downfall of our marriage
but just to be on the safe side I built and flew my Pietenpol during my
nine year hiatus from
marriage. Today my wife is supportive of me flying and I can spend as
much time doing that
as I care to which is a plus.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject:
Re: Love hate List
Date:
Jun 11, 2008
I concur with Jack and Mike on the Jenny style gear. Well worth the
extra weight.
Love the simplicity of being brakeless with a tailskid.
Love flying into a busy fly-in without a radio. It is easier to
concentrate on traffic and flying.
Wish I had a forward step to assist with filling the center-section
tank.
Love the minimal instrumentation.
Hate flying in turbulence.
Wish the A-65 motor mount had been extended 4"
Love the rudder bar.
Love the 3 piece windscreens
Love the AeroQuip fuel fittings and 3/8" aluminum fuel line. This is no
place to be cheap.
Love having Dale Johnson as my building partner. He is a master
craftsman.
Love the flop.
Hate living 45 minutes away from the airport. Just going to shoot a few
landings requires a 3 hour block of time.
I'm sure I can come up with more...........
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 6:50 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Love hate List
Love the circular cutout in the wing with a handhold for cockpit
entry/egress
Love the steps I made for cockpit entry/egress
Love the centersection fuel tank with no worries about fuel pressure
Hate re-fueling the centersection fuel tank, with excess fuel running
right into my seat
Love the large baggage compartment between the firewall and front
cockpit (where most people put the fuel tank)
Hate the cheap nylon fittings I used on the low-pressure side of the
brake system - they leak constantly
Love the avionics installation in the centersection - easy to operate
and doesn't detract from the antique look
Love the brakelines routed through the middle of the aft landing gear
struts to preserve the antique look
Love the wire wheels and straight axle, even though they are heavy
Love the turtledeck and instrument panels raised 1-1/2"
Indifferent about the extra 1" added to the fuselage width - probably
would not do that again
Love the tailwheel steering cables attached to the mid section of the
rudder bar to decrease sensitivity of the tailwheel steering
Hate the Polyurethane paint - heavy and difficult to apply. Next time
I will use Polytone
Love the access panel I added underneath the elevator bellcrank
Love the dipole antenna under the leading edge plywood to not detract
from the antique appearance
Love the temperfoam seat cushions for long cross-countries
Love the lockable helmet box behind the pilot's seat to store flying
helmets and GPS
Love the Sunbrella cockpit covers my wife made for me
Love the 3-piece windshields but they were a pain to make
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 2:22 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Love hate List
Love the nose fuel tank----easy to fill, no messes of fuel in the
cockpits,no climbing way up above the wing to fill the center section.
Love the center section baggage compartment. Tent, folding chair,
tie downs, sleeping bag, extra oil, rags, paper towels.
Hate the fact that I raised my seat 2" above the plans. Should have
left well enough alone but wanted better vis. over the nose.
Dumb.....dumb, dumb.
Love the fuel burn compared to my P-51 Mustang. (yeah right)
Love the wire wheels.
Love the straight axel and wood gear.
Love the light grade dacron fabric. It filled quickly, less coats of
paint, less weight.
Hate that it's not a super chick magnet plane like a Turbine Legend or
Cirrus. I kind of knew that going into it though:)
Love the tight patterns that you can fly with a Piet and cutting
inside morons who do approaches that resemble airliners into LaGuardia.
I thought that you're supposed to be able to reach the runway from
wherever you are in your pattern if your engine quits ? I hardly see
any pilots anymore who fly like that. I digress.
Love that I raised the instrument panels and turtledeck 1" above plans
height.
Loved that I installed a storage area behind pilot's seat going quite
a ways back in the turtledeck area.
Love the folding/removable seat for inspection purposes.
Hate that I have to clean the bugs off when I'm done flying. Prior to
marriage my girlfriend always used to help with that.
Love the wood prop.
Love the folding wings and trailerability I have:)
Mike C. in Ohio
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horzpool(at)goldengate.ne wrote:
> Mike
> I'm shure many of us are shocked to hear wax paper shouldnt be used under
> wing ribs. I have now built 3 sets of wings and havent had any problems, so
> far.
> Dick N.
> ---
Now that you've recovered from the shock, for wing ribs I can't see any problem
since any epoxy touching it has nothing to do with the structure anyhow. But
as I said, waxed paper cups such as Dixie bathroom cups (which look temptingly
convenient for mixing small amounts) should not be used for mixing, as the potential
exists to pick up some wax in the mix. Just a side note to the thread,
thought it might be of use to someone.
Glad to hear your wings haven't fallen apart so far.. [Wink]
Mike
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Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer
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Tom,
The first thing I did was smile at my loving wife and show her the door! After
she realized my love for flight, I became one with my pieter and no-one else could
pull, grab, or even talk me into going soft.....on her.
Now my pieter is safe inside my single stall...garage and she (wife) is seeking
a new man with no pieter!
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
--- On Wed, 6/11/08, TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> wrote:
From: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building
Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 2:09 PM
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "TOM STINEMETZE"
<TOMS(at)MCPCITY.COM>
I would be curious to know, for those of us who started this project while
married; how many of us are still married to the same wife as when it all
started?
Tom S.
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From:
John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject:
Re: Wing Building
Date:
Jun 11, 2008
Second wife, this one is much better and very supportive. She let me
buy a Cub but I too have a kitchen remodel in the near future.
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Jun 11, 2008, at 9:41 PM, gcardinal wrote:
> >
>
> I am still married to the same woman but it cost me a $60,000
> kitchen remodel........
>
> Greg C.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:09 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building
>
>
>> >
>>
>> I would be curious to know, for those of us who started this
>> project while married; how many of us are still married to the same
>> wife as when it all started?
>>
>> Tom S.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Brian....
Touche!
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
--- On Wed, 6/11/08, Brian Kraut <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com> wrote:
From: Brian Kraut <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: marriage & building
Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 9:50 PM
I just got divorced a few months ago. I have Piet tail surfaces in the bedroom,
KR-2S spars in the dining room, KR-2 spars in the foyer, a Sonerai instrument
panel on the kitchen table, a Piet center section and fuel tank in the
living room, a Mustang II fuel tank in the living room, two props leaning up against
the TV stand, more airplane parts in my office than we have time to detail,
and I am about to set up some saw horses in the living room to assemble and
cover the Piet wings on.
Now if I can ever get the ex to get the rest of her clothes, nick knacks, vases,
plastic flowers and plants, and all that other junk out of the house it would
not look so cluttered.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: marriage & building
Jess and I have been married 1.5 years, and everything is going swimmingly. She
is very supportive of the Pietenpol build. As an example, right now I have a
band saw on the buffet, the kitchen table is covered with a belt sander, rib jig,
plans, a fresh Stromberg carb, etc. There's 500 feet of spruce in a box in
front of the TV. Some birch ply behind the couch, and a pair of Corvair case
halves on Roy's kennel. We have a one bedroom apt in the middle of Chicago, so
we haven't much room, but it can be done! (Albeit slowly...)
It certainly helps to have a willing partner through the whole process. Have a
good one,
Ryan
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC] <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
wrote:
Jack's story had a happy twist and I've had the pleasure of meeting his aviation-supportive
wife. Not only does she tolerate Jack but likes flying too !
I had nine years of unwedded bliss and built my airplane in that period.
My first wife actually
enjoyed flying and went with me quite often. Flying was not the downfall
of our marriage
but just to be on the safe side I built and flew my Pietenpol during my nine year
hiatus from
marriage. Today my wife is supportive of me flying and I can spend as much
time doing that
as I care to which is a plus.
Mike C.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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thanks Dick! I think I will go down that road.
----- Original Message ----
From: Dick Navratil <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:47:36 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: T-88 questions...........................................aga
Mike
I'm shure many of us are shocked to hear wax paper shouldnt be used under
wing ribs. I have now built 3 sets of wings and havent had any problems, so
far.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "MikeD" <mjdt(at)auracom.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: T-88
questions...........................................aga
>
>
> ben_ramler2002(at)yahoo.c wrote:
>> Afternoon Group,
>> I can't lay wax paper down because that will screw up the
>> glue.
>
>
> If you are not in scrounging mode, small rolls of polyethylene are cheap
> at Home Depot or the like, if you use a medium thickness like 3-6 mil it
> is tough enough to peel stuck parts and glue from it without trouble.
>
> Waxes are indeed soluble in epoxy to some degree, for example waxed paper
> cups are a no-no for mixing.
>
> --------
> Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187338#187338
>
>
>
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From:
"Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com>
Subject:
Wing Building
Date:
Jun 12, 2008
Did that 60K remodel include all Sitka Spruce cabinets and a Corvair powered
ceiling fan?
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of gcardinal
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building
I am still married to the same woman but it cost me a $60,000 kitchen
remodel........
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building
>
> I would be curious to know, for those of us who started this project while
> married; how many of us are still married to the same wife as when it all
> started?
>
> Tom S.
>
>
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From:
<catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject:
Re: Wing Building
Date:
Jun 12, 2008
Thanks Santiago, that is what I am looking for.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: santiago morete
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 1:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building
Chris,
Here is how Chuck Guntzer built his one piece wing
http://nx770cg.com/Wing.html, good luck
Saludos
Santiago
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Subject:
Re: Wing Building
From:
"Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net>
Date:
Jun 12, 2008
Dang it! I forgot the attachment.. so here it is. Cut me some slack, its 12:48am
and I have been up since 6:30am. That reminds me, I have to get up in 5 1/2
hours. I should got to bed.
[quote="Catdesigns"]
There has been a recent addition to the garage and my children and I have been
enjoying it way to much. (See attached, it's the blue thing). And some of
you wonder why it is taking me so long to get this thing done...
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com (http://www.WestCoastPiet.com)
> ---
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Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187527#187527
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Date:
Jun 12, 2008
From:
Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject:
Re: Wing Building
After some years a widower, Clem got married again.
Not long after, his faithful old hound dog up and died.
Being a hunter he needed another dog. So he got one.
This one didn't take to training well.
One day, on the way to town that mutt up and jumped
out, tearing after a rabbit. The old guy and his new wife
finaly corralled that dumb mutt and tied him in the box
of the truck. He shook his finger at the beast and
exclaimed," That's one!"
This happened again, "That's two!" and again! "That's three!"
His wife was getting a little tired of chasing after the
thing as well but it was such a cute and friendly pup that
she forgave it's shortcomings.
A few weeks into the marriage they again drove into town.
And, of course, that silly hound jumped out and ran off.
The two of them again finaly caught it. This time the
husband tied it to the front bumper, got out his .45 Winchester
and BLAM! shot it dead.
His horrified wife, her eyes bugged halfway out of her head
screamed, What did you do that for!! "
The good husband calmly turns to he and quietly says.
"That's one."
"Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which
matter least."
~ Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Clif,
No cars were ever in my garage!
The wife figured out pretty early that sharing
with a workshop beat sharing with a mistress.
The first thing I did was smile at my loving wife and show her
the door! After she realized my love for flight, I became one with my
pieter and no-one else could pull, grab, or even talk me into going
soft.....on her.
Now my pieter is safe inside my single stall...garage and she
(wife) is seeking a new man with no pieter!
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
I would be curious to know, for those of us who started this project
while
married; how many of us are still married to the same wife as when it
all
started?
Tom S.
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Checked by AVG.
6/11/2008 7:13 PM
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Subject:
marriage & building
Date:
Jun 12, 2008
From:
"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Man in just warms the cockles of my heart (what the heck are the cockles
anyway ?) to hear of some great
interior decorating happening in the residences of Ryan in Chicago,
Brian Kraut, and Ken.
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Subject:
Greg C's Love Hate list
Date:
Jun 12, 2008
From:
"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Fantastic Greg regarding hating turbulence.
I've never flown a plane that is as uncomfortable and unruly in
turbulence (thanks in part to the light wing loading)
and winds. It's pretty exhausting to fly a Piet cross country all day
in turbulence and winds.
On the love side, there is no finer plane to fly when the winds are
totally calm about 1/2 hour prior to sunset or
just after sunrise. The views, the handling, the low level, flat out,
no-holes-barred, worm-burning buzz jobs on
freshly tilled farmers fields, and smoke trails that hang in the air for
minutes are found no finer than in a Pietenpol
Air Camper.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Woodflier(at)aol.com
Date:
Jun 12, 2008
Subject:
Re: Still Married?
I started my Piet married to one woman, got divorced during the process, and
will finish married to another woman, one who likes to fly this time.
Apparently, I was an AIDS victim - Aviation Induced Divorce Syndrome.
Jack, I'd love to be in the tower at Dulles when you land... or are you
landing in the Udvar-Hazy parking lot?
Matt Paxton
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Date:
Jun 12, 2008
From:
"TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject:
Re: marriage & building
>Man in just warms the cockles of my heart (what the heck are the
cockles anyway ?) >
Mike:
Good question. Here's an answer from the "Workd Wide Words" website.
Its one of the more lovely idioms in the language, isnt it? Something
that warms the cockles of ones heart induces a glow of pleasure,
sympathy, affection, or some such similar emotion. What gets warmed is
the innermost part of ones being. Its not that surprising that it
should be associated with the heart, that being the presumed seat of the
emotions for most people. But what are the cockles?
Were not sure. We do know that the expression turns up first in the
middle of the seventeenth century, and that the earliest form of the
idiom was rejoice the cockles of ones heart.
Cockles are a type of bivalve mollusc, once a staple part of the diet
for many British people (you may recall that Sweet Molly Malone once
wheeled her wheelbarrow through Dublins fair city, crying cockles and
mussels, alive, alive oh!). They are frequently heart-shaped (their
formal zoological genus was at one time Cardium, of the heart), with
ribbed shells.
It may be that the shape and spiral ribbing of the ventricles of the
heart reminded surgeons of the two valves of the cockle. But I cant
find an example of the word cockle being applied to the heart outside
this expression, which makes me suspicious of this explanation. It may
be that the shape of the cockleshell, suggesting the heart as it so
obviously does, gave rise to cockles of the heart as an expansion.
After this piece appeared in the Newsletter, James Woodfield pointed
out that there is another possible explanation. In medieval Latin, the
ventricles of the heart were at times called cochleae cordis, where the
second word is an inflected form of cor, heart. Those unversed in Latin
could have misinterpreted cochleae as cockles, or it might have started
out as a university in-joke. Oddly, cochlea in Latin is the word for a
snail (from the shape of the ventricles * its also the name given to
the spiral cavity of the inner ear), so if this story is right we should
really be speaking of warming the snails of ones heart.
Tom S.
in beautiful, windy, Kansas
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date:
Jun 12, 2008
Subject:
Re: Greg C's Love Hate list
Speaking of rides,
I plan to be at Broadhead this year again, this time with a buddy, one
smaller than I and could fit into the front seat. Can I arrange to get him a ride
on Saturday with a willing Pieter?
It would be really great if I cold get that set up in advance, last year I
didn't catch a ride, however since I am building I'll get a ride sooner or
later, however I would love to see catch a ride. He's a good friend and the one
that helped me get my build started, I think it would be a real treat for him.
Your willingness is appreciated
Thanks
John Recine
In a message dated 6/12/2008 10:25:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov writes:
Fantastic Greg regarding hating turbulence.
I've never flown a plane that is as uncomfortable and unruly in turbulence
(thanks in part to the light wing loading)
and winds. It's pretty exhausting to fly a Piet cross country all day in
turbulence and winds.
On the love side, there is no finer plane to fly when the winds are totally
calm about 1/2 hour prior to sunset or
just after sunrise. The views, the handling, the low level, flat out,
no-holes-barred, worm-burning buzz jobs on
freshly tilled farmers fields, and smoke trails that hang in the air for
minutes are found no finer than in a Pietenpol
Air Camper.
Mike C.
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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I wish they'd let me land in the parking lot. They are going to park me
overnight at Dulles Jet Center, way up near the approach end of 19L.
The Udvar-Hazy museum is a mile or so southwest of the approach end of
1R. Of course, runway 1R/19L is 11,500 feet long so I will have quite a
taxi (at least 3 miles of S-Turning) to get from Dulles Jet to the
museum on Saturday morning. I wish they'd let me fly down the taxiway
to the south end of the runway, but somehow I doubt that's going to
happen. I wonder what Potomac Approach is going to think of having to
handle traffic with a cruise speed of 58 knots?
I'm just glad someone at the Smithsonian is aware enough of Pietenpols
to want to have one on display Saturday. They said they would park me
next to an F-16. That will be a nice contrast.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Still Married?
I started my Piet married to one woman, got divorced during the process,
and will finish married to another woman, one who likes to fly this
time. Apparently, I was an AIDS victim - Aviation Induced Divorce
Syndrome.
Jack, I'd love to be in the tower at Dulles when you land... or are you
landing in the Udvar-Hazy parking lot?
Matt Paxton
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From:
"Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject:
Re: Still Married?
Date:
Jun 12, 2008
Hey Jack
I really wish I could be at that event. That sounds like a fun trip.
On the taxi, you could ask the tower for a tail up, fast taxi, if the
weather permits.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:53 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Still Married?
I wish they'd let me land in the parking lot. They are going to park
me overnight at Dulles Jet Center, way up near the approach end of 19L.
The Udvar-Hazy museum is a mile or so southwest of the approach end of
1R. Of course, runway 1R/19L is 11,500 feet long so I will have quite a
taxi (at least 3 miles of S-Turning) to get from Dulles Jet to the
museum on Saturday morning. I wish they'd let me fly down the taxiway
to the south end of the runway, but somehow I doubt that's going to
happen. I wonder what Potomac Approach is going to think of having to
handle traffic with a cruise speed of 58 knots?
I'm just glad someone at the Smithsonian is aware enough of Pietenpols
to want to have one on display Saturday. They said they would park me
next to an F-16. That will be a nice contrast.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Woodflier(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:32 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Still Married?
I started my Piet married to one woman, got divorced during the
process, and will finish married to another woman, one who likes to fly
this time. Apparently, I was an AIDS victim - Aviation Induced Divorce
Syndrome.
Jack, I'd love to be in the tower at Dulles when you land... or are
you landing in the Udvar-Hazy parking lot?
Matt Paxton
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Subject:
Pietenpol goes to DC
Date:
Jun 12, 2008
From:
"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Too bad you're not flying into National, Jack----think of the beautiful
view you'd have of the city of Washington, DC.
You'll have to recalibrate your eyeballs landing on that long runway.
It always messes with my depth perception when going into
a narrow or very wide runway but if you keep it in mind as you descend
it seems to work better.
'American 445 heavy, taxi into position runway one nine hold. American
445 Heavy cleared for takeoff,
caution wake turbulence, departing experimental high-wing."
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From:
"Gene Rambo" <GeneRambo(at)msn.com>
Subject:
Re: Still Married?
Date:
Jun 12, 2008
They are so NOT used to slow aircraft . . the last time I did this
event, they sent us around three times because we were too close to
traffic AHEAD of us!! They just don't get that we could have landed in
the LAST 500 feet of a 10,000 ft runway, or that we could land in the
first 100 and turn off immediately.
Good luck Jack!
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack<mailto:Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Still Married?
I wish they'd let me land in the parking lot. They are going to park
me overnight at Dulles Jet Center, way up near the approach end of 19L.
The Udvar-Hazy museum is a mile or so southwest of the approach end of
1R. Of course, runway 1R/19L is 11,500 feet long so I will have quite a
taxi (at least 3 miles of S-Turning) to get from Dulles Jet to the
museum on Saturday morning. I wish they'd let me fly down the taxiway
to the south end of the runway, but somehow I doubt that's going to
happen. I wonder what Potomac Approach is going to think of having to
handle traffic with a cruise speed of 58 knots?
I'm just glad someone at the Smithsonian is aware enough of Pietenpols
to want to have one on display Saturday. They said they would park me
next to an F-16. That will be a nice contrast.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:32 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Still Married?
I started my Piet married to one woman, got divorced during the
process, and will finish married to another woman, one who likes to fly
this time. Apparently, I was an AIDS victim - Aviation Induced Divorce
Syndrome.
Jack, I'd love to be in the tower at Dulles when you land... or are
you landing in the Udvar-Hazy parking lot?
Matt Paxton
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"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Jeremy,
Not sure what Dr. Phil might advise you two but sorry to hear of the
distress you're facing.
I say either get a girlfriend/mistress who really treats you great and
has divorced a guy
that makes as much money as you do so when you leave your wife you can
'inherit' 1/2 of what
that husband gave your mistress and not come out of a divorce in the
hole.
I'm jesting of course but I've heard of guys who have actually
experienced that scenario.
Best wishes with your situation and I think many on the list would agree
with me that if
you can't change your wife's spending habits or attitude, you can at
least go in the
work shop from time to time and get some much needed 'therapy' by
building !
Mike C.
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From:
CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date:
Jun 12, 2008
Subject:
Re: Still Married?
Wow, never realized you guys had it so bad; for Randi and & I, our biggest
concern is our boyfriends would want to use our tools, or help with our
projects.. that's a no-no. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to find a
guy
that wants to buy his own tools and work on his own projects.. in his own
space? ..or put up with our engine in the living room (that's another matter,
its
brand new and it is clean so it would be a bad thing to put it out in the
garage and have it get dirty or rusty). For the most part Randi and I are too
busy right now for full time relationships so we can both sympathize with both
you builders and your girlfriends or wives, it is really tough for either
side. In the years we have been building we have become outcasts in our circle
of friends because we never show up for happy hours, weekend BBQ's, or other
social invites much less invite them over. I don't think anybody needs to be
told of the single minded determination it takes to finish a project of this
scale so maybe the solution is to find a like -minded partner? Sorry, that
does not do much for those who are already with someone who does not see this
as
a good thing. At least they would know where you are and what is on your
mind all the time, how could that be so bad?
Unfortunately the Piets are not a cross-country plane where you can take
your spouse to a fly in and have them hear the stories about the far and wide
travels and holidays flyers have had with their completed projects, or the group
flights to the Bahamas or Key West after Sun-n-fun.
Maybe you can get them to read some Richard Bach and give them some insight
into that far away look in your eyes? (its not from T-88 dust)
...Chrissi
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
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From:
"JERRY GROGAN" <jerry(at)SKYCLASSIC.NET>
Subject:
Airplanes & wives
Date:
Jun 12, 2008
This is my first post. I must be the lucky one. 33 years with the same
wife and she's still in love with me. I have purchased a Piet to rebuild
and am flying a Skybolt with a Smith Miniplane almost done. And my wife
has little problems with my habbit. Maybe a good ballence of things is
good even in a marage. Any way I have enjoyed all of your comments and
the forum has been great so far.
Oh' by the way I have the one with the flaps. The Piet had some other
interesting things I will explain at a later date. I'm sure you will all
get a laugh from. I may never use the flaps, but we will see what they
do or don't do.
Jerry Grogan
Des Moines, IA
In the Flood
________________________________________________________________________________
Flaps! Now that's what a Pietenpol needs - a way to quickly add more
drag!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 3:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airplanes & wives
This is my first post. I must be the lucky one. 33 years with the same
wife and she's still in love with me. I have purchased a Piet to rebuild
and am flying a Skybolt with a Smith Miniplane almost done. And my wife
has little problems with my habbit. Maybe a good ballence of things is
good even in a marage. Any way I have enjoyed all of your comments and
the forum has been great so far.
Oh' by the way I have the one with the flaps. The Piet had some other
interesting things I will explain at a later date. I'm sure you will all
get a laugh from. I may never use the flaps, but we will see what they
do or don't do.
Jerry Grogan
Des Moines, IA
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Subject:
Re: Still Married?
From:
outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
Date:
Jun 12, 2008
Too bad we don't have more single female Pieters. We could have a Personals section.
I could see it now: divorced white male Pieter 30 seeking divorced white
Pieter friendly female 25 to 35 who likes hot dusty evenings in the shop
gluing up ribs and long take off rolls along a green field!
Jeremy in Dallas
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-----Original Message-----
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:37:45
To:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Still Married?
Wow, never realized you guys had it so bad; for Randi and & I, our biggest concern
is our boyfriends would want to use our tools, or help with = our projects..
that's a no-no. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to find = a guy
that wants to buy his own tools and work on his own projects.. in his ow= n
space? ..or put up with our engine in the living room (that's another matter=
, its brand new and it is clean so it would be a bad thing to put it out in th=
e garage and have it get dirty or rusty). For the most part Randi and I are
to= o busy right now for full time relationships so we can both sympathize
with bo= th you builders and your girlfriends or wives, it is really tough for
either si= de. In the years we have been building we have become outcasts in
our circle of friends because we never show up for happy hours, weekend BBQ's,
or other so= cial invites much less invite them over. I don't think anybody
needs to be told o= f the single minded determination it takes to finish a
project of this scale s= o maybe the solution is to find a like -minded partner?
Sorry, that does not d= o much for those who are already with someone who
does not see this as a good thing. At least they would know where you are and
what is on your mind all t= he time, how could that be so bad?
Unfortunately the Piets are not a cross-country plane where you can tak= e your
spouse to a fly in and have them hear the stories about the far and wid= e
travels and holidays flyers have had with their completed projects, or the g=
roup flights to the Bahamas or Key West after Sun-n-fun.
Maybe you can get them to read some Richard Bach and give them some ins= ight
into that far away look in your eyes? (its not from T-88 dust)
...Chrissi
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
www.CozyGirrrl.com
Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo
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----------------
Vote for yo= ur city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008 <http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg000
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From:
CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date:
Jun 12, 2008
Subject:
Re: Still Married?
In a message dated 6/12/2008 3:16:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com writes:
Too bad we don't have more single female Pieters. We could have a Personals
section. I could see it now: divorced white male Pieter 30 seeking
divorced white Pieter friendly female 25 to 35 who likes hot dusty evenings in
the
shop gluing up ribs and long take off rolls along a green field!
Jeremy, please issue a spew alert before posting like that, my keyboard is
now sharing my caffeine buzz.
There has to be a naughty t-shirt in there somewhere?
...Chrissi
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
www.CozyGirrrl.com
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Subject:
then there is the female version of AIDS
Date:
Jun 12, 2008
From:
"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Where Corvair guru William Wynne dated and married Grace Ellen who left
her man for someone who supported her passion
for flying and building. See attachment.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com>
Subject:
Re: Still Married?
Date:
Jun 12, 2008
Chrissi, will you marry me?
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 3:38 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Still Married?
Wow, never realized you guys had it so bad; for Randi and & I, our biggest
concern is our boyfriends would want to use our tools, or help with our
projects.. that's a no-no. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to find
a guy that wants to buy his own tools and work on his own projects.. in his
own space? ..or put up with our engine in the living room (that's another
matter, its brand new and it is clean so it would be a bad thing to put it
out in the garage and have it get dirty or rusty). For the most part Randi
and I are too busy right now for full time relationships so we can both
sympathize with both you builders and your girlfriends or wives, it is
really tough for either side. In the years we have been building we have
become outcasts in our circle of friends because we never show up for happy
hours, weekend BBQ's, or other social invites much less invite them over. I
don't think anybody needs to be told of the single minded determination it
takes to finish a project of this scale so maybe the solution is to find a
like -minded partner? Sorry, that does not do much for those who are already
with someone who does not see this as a good thing. At least they would know
where you are and what is on your mind all the time, how could that be so
bad?
Unfortunately the Piets are not a cross-country plane where you can take
your spouse to a fly in and have them hear the stories about the far and
wide travels and holidays flyers have had with their completed projects, or
the group flights to the Bahamas or Key West after Sun-n-fun.
Maybe you can get them to read some Richard Bach and give them some
insight into that far away look in your eyes? (its not from T-88 dust)
...Chrissi
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
www.CozyGirrrl.com
Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo
Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details
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Date:
Jun 12, 2008
From:
"walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject:
Re: Airplanes & wives
Nah,
I can slip my Piet into any place that a 150 with full flaps could never
get into.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"Let's Legalize Freedom"
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 3:59 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Airplanes & wives
Flaps! Now that's what a Pietenpol needs - a way to quickly add more
drag!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of JERRY
GROGAN
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 3:42 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airplanes & wives
This is my first post. I must be the lucky one. 33 years with the same
wife and she's still in love with me. I have purchased a Piet to rebuild
and am flying a Skybolt with a Smith Miniplane almost done. And my wife
has little problems with my habbit. Maybe a good ballence of things is
good even in a marage. Any way I have enjoyed all of your comments and
the forum has been great so far.
Oh' by the way I have the one with the flaps. The Piet had some other
interesting things I will explain at a later date. I'm sure you will all
get a laugh from. I may never use the flaps, but we will see what they
do or don't do.
Jerry Grogan
Des Moines, IA
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Subject:
Jack going to Dulles
Date:
Jun 12, 2008
From:
"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
I'd bet money on Jack Phillips that if they allowed him, he could land
SIDEWAYS on the runway of his
choice at Dulles and have room to turn around without going off into the
grass.
Heck, the runway I've landed on at Oshkosh they call 18L/36R but is
otherwise a taxiway during the rest
of the year. That taxiway is probably three times as wide as my home
base runway.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 12, 2008
From:
Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject:
Re: Still Married?
No. Clif :-)
Do you have any idea how difficult it is to find a guy that wants to
buy his own tools and work on his own projects.. in his own space?
...Chrissi
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject:
Re: Wing Building
Date:
Jun 12, 2008
Billy
Just remember that it's not a good idea to use T-88 on 2x4 wall studs. You
will use way too much glue.
However, when buying 2x4's you can look for a reddish coloring in some
boards with a fine grain, those being douglas fir and put them aside for
airplane parts.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: <billmz(at)cox.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Building
>
>
> Wife-to-be v1.0 doesn't really understand my want/need to build a
> Pietenpol, but she supports me anyway. In return for her tremendous love
> and support, I'm doing considerable house renovation projects while the
> T-88 cures... A man's got to have something to do while the epoxy sets...
>
> Billy McCaskill
> Urbana, IL
> fin, rudder, and elevators done.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Re: Love hate List
From:
"Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date:
Jun 12, 2008
Thought I'd add mine too...
Love the wire wheels
Wish I had built the wood gear
Love the extremely simple brakes
Love the extremely simple tailwheel
Love that, other than a few things like those above, I followed the plans
Wish I had a Model A on it
Love that Continental more, though
Love the NORDO thing
Love KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid)
Hate the sore butt on long flights
Love the character of the original design
Love that I can stop on the way to the airfield and fill my 5 gallon gas can and
fly over to visit friends at a local airstrip and fly back and still have fuel
left over
Absolutely love going to the airport before dawn, watching the dew spray up from
the tires as I run down the strip and causing the first day's sunlight to flood
the cockpit by climbing higher. Sharing the experience and the views with
my daughter makes me love it so much more!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187681#187681
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From:
"Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject:
Pietenpol as a large airplane
Date:
Jun 12, 2008
Boy, after thinking all these years about how small a Piet is, now that
I am varnishing the *@#% thing, I am not so sure. I am on
my third quart of varnish and the end is nowhere in sight . . . whew!!
The fuselage is about 3/4 done, and I just started on the tail surfaces
today. I know this is a lot of varnish, but I am sanding between coats
and putting a third coat on the high-use areas like the floorboards and
seats/seatbacks, and on the panels which I want to look good.
(polyurethane, semi-gloss)
I'll be back at it all day tomorrow, too.
Gene
(starting to like the smell of varnish)
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From:
CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date:
Jun 12, 2008
Subject:
Re: Still Married?
In a message dated 6/12/2008 5:09:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
brian.kraut(at)engalt.com writes:
Chrissi, will you marry me?
=============================
Brian, that depends....
-have your own tools?
-have your own projects to keep you busy (and out of my hair so I can work
on my own projects)
-do you live in an airpark?
Oh, send picture of your plane =)
...Chrissi
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www.CozyGirrrl.com
Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo
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From:
Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject:
Still married?
Date:
Jun 13, 2008
Next July 7 I will have been 40 years married to the same woman... the girl I met
while riding skateboards (the ORIGINAL ones) in about 1967. But what I didn't
know until later in our relationship was that I had actually met her while
we were both in diapers... our parents were friends even before we were born.
I can still remember her cute, toothless little smile and crisp white diaper
as she lay there in her crib (I am a year older than she is ;o) and I'm sure
we shared a warm bottle of milk over the flicker of the night-light in her bedroom
those many years ago. Or maybe it's just my over-active imagination.
My wife Jay has asked me not to jump out of airplanes so I never have, and although
she has ridden with me one time in Air Camper 41CC, her idea of a real airplane
is the turbo Seneca that I had the fortune to take some dual instruction
in, many years ago. That or the King Air that she rode in one time. My Pietenpol
is not a serious airplane to her.
She has always had exactly 1/2 of our 2-car garage in which to park her car. I
can't remember the last time I had enough of "my" half of the garage in which
to park my car, and I think parking a car in the garage is a waste of good shop
space.
Jay does not like to read instructions, fix things, or try to understand anything
with a lot of parts to it. That's my job. The thought of flying on instruments
is terrifying to her and she will not sit and listen to the perfect logic
of an ILS approach or how a GPS works. However, she never gets lost while driving
in a strange city and I do, plus she will stop and ask for directions instead
of driving 15 miles in the wrong direction like I do when I'm lost.
She does not understand the attraction of flying an airplane off of grass, and
thinks it's scary to leave the pavement. She does not like the smell of avgas
or hot motor oil, much less a huge cloud of blue smoke from starting up a R985,
so I listen to my "Round Engines" CDs with the headphones on. I can take her
to airshows, but only if the Blue Angels, Thunderbirds, or other loud jets
are flying. She loves loud, fast jets while I migrate to the round engine area.
We have our arrangement and it seems to have worked just fine through thick and
thin. I thank God for sending me the perfect woman to go through life with,
and I thank my wife for putting up with a less-than-perfect man for all these
years. "Low and Slow Forever" is taking on a whole new meaning as she and I work
our way through life!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Subject:
Still married?
Date:
Jun 13, 2008
Oscar! Well put! I read the posts last night on this string and began to
feel that my own marriage of 22 years was slightly lopsided in aviation pas
sion. Your words set me at ease. I think it is fantastic to see William W
and his wife both passionately involved in small airplanes but I don't fin
d myself wishing I were in a similar relationship. My job as a pilot, hobb
y of building a piet and ownership of a little Stinson are all things that
I truly enjoy yet I expect no participation from my loved ones. To hang th
at expectation on anyone is more likely to bring grief than happiness.
My shop is a one car garage that I can toil in while the family sleeps or i
s at work or school. I do my job as an airline pilot just like anyone else
who goes off to work and when I fly my Stinson, it is usually a quality fa
ther and son experience. My wife has yet to fly in my plane; in fact she h
as not even seen it. BUT there is ample time in my life to share the thing
s we do enjoy - which are many. I don't see an aviation hobby for a marrie
d person as anything more than golf, hockey, duck hunting or Monday night f
ootball.
I know most people on this list share the passion of flying and I am certai
n that most have a rock solid relationship with their spouse. The aviation
induced divorce syndrome (AIDS) is a myth that has been used since the Wri
ght Brothers and is simply a place to hang the blame when two people don't
stay together.
Scott Knowlton
> From: taildrags(at)hotmail.com> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: P
ietenpol-List: Still married?> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:20:15 -0500> > -->
Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga > >
> Next July 7 I will have been 40 years married to the same woman... the gi
rl I met while riding skateboards (the ORIGINAL ones) in about 1967. But wh
at I didn't know until later in our relationship was that I had actually me
t her while we were both in diapers... our parents were friends even before
we were born. I can still remember her cute, toothless little smile and cr
isp white diaper as she lay there in her crib (I am a year older than she i
s ;o) and I'm sure we shared a warm bottle of milk over the flicker of the
night-light in her bedroom those many years ago. Or maybe it's just my over
-active imagination.> > My wife Jay has asked me not to jump out of airplan
es so I never have, and although she has ridden with me one time in Air Cam
per 41CC, her idea of a real airplane is the turbo Seneca that I had the fo
rtune to take some dual instruction in, many years ago. That or the King Ai
r that she rode in one time. My Pietenpol is not a serious airplane to her.
> > She has always had exactly 1/2 of our 2-car garage in which to park her
car. I can't remember the last time I had enough of "my" half of the garag
e in which to park my car, and I think parking a car in the garage is a was
te of good shop space.> > Jay does not like to read instructions, fix thing
s, or try to understand anything with a lot of parts to it. That's my job.
The thought of flying on instruments is terrifying to her and she will not
sit and listen to the perfect logic of an ILS approach or how a GPS works.
However, she never gets lost while driving in a strange city and I do, plus
she will stop and ask for directions instead of driving 15 miles in the wr
ong direction like I do when I'm lost.> > She does not understand the attra
ction of flying an airplane off of grass, and thinks it's scary to leave th
e pavement. She does not like the smell of avgas or hot motor oil, much les
s a huge cloud of blue smoke from starting up a R985, so I listen to my "Ro
und Engines" CDs with the headphones on. I can take her to airshows, but on
ly if the Blue Angels, Thunderbirds, or other loud jets are flying. She lov
es loud, fast jets while I migrate to the round engine area.> > We have our
arrangement and it seems to have worked just fine through thick and thin.
I thank God for sending me the perfect woman to go through life with, and I
thank my wife for putting up with a less-than-perfect man for all these ye
ars. "Low and Slow Forever" is taking on a whole new meaning as she and I w
ork our way through life!> > Oscar Zuniga> Air Camper NX41CC> San Antonio,
TX> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net> >
===> > >
_________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date:
Jun 13, 2008
Subject:
Re: Still married?
Dear Oscar,
Now that is a relationship to treasure and it works! What a great story you
two have.
You mean those skate boards with the small hard wheels that if they hit the
tiniest pebble you were going to take a dive? ouch
Regards, Chrissi
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
www.CozyGirrrl.com
Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo
Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details
===============================
In a message dated 6/13/2008 8:24:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga
Next July 7 I will have been 40 years married to the same woman... the girl
I met while riding skateboards (the ORIGINAL ones) in about 1967. But what I
didn't know until later in our relationship was that I had actually met her
while we were both in diapers... our parents were friends even before we were
born. I can still remember her cute, toothless little smile and crisp white
diaper as she lay there in her crib (I am a year older than she is ;o) and
I'm sure we shared a warm bottle of milk over the flicker of the night-light
in her bedroom those many years ago. Or maybe it's just my over-active
imagination.
My wife Jay has asked me not to jump out of airplanes so I never have, and
although she has ridden with me one time in Air Camper 41CC, her idea of a
real airplane is the turbo Seneca that I had the fortune to take some dual
instruction in, many years ago. That or the King Air that she rode in one time.
My Pietenpol is not a serious airplane to her.
She has always had exactly 1/2 of our 2-car garage in which to park her car.
I can't remember the last time I had enough of "my" half of the garage in
which to park my car, and I think parking a car in the garage is a waste of
good shop space.
Jay does not like to read instructions, fix things, or try to understand
anything with a lot of parts to it. That's my job. The thought of flying on
instruments is terrifying to her and she will not sit and listen to the perfect
logic of an ILS approach or how a GPS works. However, she never gets lost
while driving in a strange city and I do, plus she will stop and ask for
directions instead of driving 15 miles in the wrong direction like I do when I'm
lost.
She does not understand the attraction of flying an airplane off of grass,
and thinks it's scary to leave the pavement. She does not like the smell of
avgas or hot motor oil, much less a huge cloud of blue smoke from starting up
a R985, so I listen to my "Round Engines" CDs with the headphones on. I can
take her to airshows, but only if the Blue Angels, Thunderbirds, or other
loud jets are flying. She loves loud, fast jets while I migrate to the round
engine area.
We have our arrangement and it seems to have worked just fine through thick
and thin. I thank God for sending me the perfect woman to go through life
with, and I thank my wife for putting up with a less-than-perfect man for all
these years. "Low and Slow Forever" is taking on a whole new meaning as she
and I work our way through life!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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From:
"Lars Hulgreen" <dane(at)scsl.net>
Subject:
Wheel Strut Brackets
Date:
Jun 14, 2008
Need some advise, I am contemplating making my wheel struts out of wood, and
for that purpose I have designed a bracket from three pieces of metal that
will be welded together. I am a little uncertain of the angel between the
bottom of the fuselage and the strut .. If anybody could help I sure would
appreciate it.
Dane
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject:
Re: Wheel Strut Brackets
Date:
Jun 14, 2008
it has been done, but a little different configuration, by Frank
Pavliga. You might want to look at ones built to his plans, there are a
lot of them out there.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Lars Hulgreen<mailto:dane(at)scsl.net>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 6:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheel Strut Brackets
Need some advise, I am contemplating making my wheel struts out of
wood, and for that purpose I have designed a bracket from three pieces
of metal that will be welded together. I am a little uncertain of the
angel between the bottom of the fuselage and the strut .. If anybody
could help I sure would appreciate it.
Dane
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject:
help, please!
Date:
Jun 14, 2008
I am reaching the point where I am starting assembly and need some
specific information that I have seen on here before but cannot find
now:
1. I have seen the dimensions to change the elevator bellcrank so that
the cables (1 do not touch the leading edge of the stab) and (2 do not
get tight/slack during movement through their range). The first
requires raising the bellcrank, the second is a difference in the
distance between the holes for the cables;
2. what is the source for the tailskid spring that most closely matches
the one in the plans;
Can someone help me with these??
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Re: help, please!
Date:
Jun 14, 2008
From:
helspersew(at)aol.com
Gene,
I understand your inquiry and the reason for it. Just keep in mind that if your
upper elevator cable does not rub on the horizontal stabilizer, you are not officially
authorized to call your airplane " Pietenpol"................... Sorry.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Sent: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 6:14 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: help, please!
I am reaching the point where I am starting assembly and need some specific
information that I have seen on here before but cannot find now:
?
1.? I have seen the dimensions to change the elevator bellcrank so
that the cables (1 do not touch the leading edge of the stab) and (2 do not get
tight/slack during movement through their range).? The first requires
raising the bellcrank, the second is a difference in the distance between the
holes for the cables;
?
2.? what is the source for the tailskid spring that most closely
matches the one in the plans;
?
Can someone help me with these??
?
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject:
help, please!
Date:
Jun 14, 2008
Gene;
If you look at the Piet drawings that show the bellcrank and the elevator horn,
you'll find that the distance from center to center of the actuator holes on
the bellcrank is 7-3/4" (3-7/8" each way from the pivot center). The distance
from center to center of the holes on the horn is 7-1/4". Thus there is a difference
between the bellcrank and the horn, and what that does is change the
actuation ratio. For a certain displacement of the bellcrank (and stick), a somewhat
larger displacement of the elevator occurs. This is fine. What we have
is a classic "four-bar linkage" and it all works when things are square.
The problem comes when we change the relationship between the pivot centers of
the bellcrank and the horn but still try to maintain the axis centers vertical
(keep the bellcrank straight up and down with the elevators neutral). With only
a slight displacement, it isn't bad but in the Piet it's enough to throw the
geometry off and create slack in the cables when the stick is displaced.
To remove all the error, you mount the bellcrank pivot center in a direct line
with the elevator pivot center when both the bellcrank and the horn are exactly
vertical. I think this is what John Dilatush did on "Mountain Piet", and others
have done the same, but the problem then becomes that you absolutely, positively
must have pulleys under the pilot's seat to displace the control cables
up to the bellcrank... a rubbing block or fairlead guide just won't cut it with
that much change in direction of the cables as they head up to the bellcrank.
Get some popsicle sticks, thumbtacks, and string and make a model. You'll see
what I mean.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 14, 2008
From:
"walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject:
Re: help, please!
Gene,
I think that it is accepted that that's the way it will be,
My cables rub, but when you add the piece of leather, they rub on that.
And I don't think that you can perfectly correct the geometry on the
cable taughtness.
Believe me, Bernard knew what he was doing,,,I've been flying mine for 6
years,,and in no way do you feel a problem with the cables or controls.
It's a blast to fly.
Build to the plans.
Build to the plans.
Build to the plans.
Build to the plans.
Build to the plans.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"Let's Legalize Freedom"
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 7:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: help, please!
I am reaching the point where I am starting assembly and need some
specific information that I have seen on here before but cannot find
now:
1. I have seen the dimensions to change the elevator bellcrank so
that the cables (1 do not touch the leading edge of the stab) and (2 do
not get tight/slack during movement through their range). The first
requires raising the bellcrank, the second is a difference in the
distance between the holes for the cables;
2. what is the source for the tailskid spring that most closely
matches the one in the plans;
Can someone help me with these??
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net>
Subject:
authorized???
Date:
Jun 14, 2008
I authorize to call this plane a PietenpolOn Jun 14, 2008, at 6:35 PM, HelsperSew(at)aol.com
wrote:
> Gene,
>
> I understand your inquiry and the reason for it. Just keep in mind
> that if your upper elevator cable does not rub on the horizontal
> stabilizer, you are not officially authorized to call your airplane
> " Pietenpol"................... Sorry.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 6:14 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: help, please!
>
> I am reaching the point where I am starting assembly and need some
> specific information that I have seen on here before but cannot find
> now:
>
> 1. I have seen the dimensions to change the elevator bellcrank so
> that the cables (1 do not touch the leading edge of the stab) and (2
> do not get tight/slack during movement through their range). The
> first requires raising the bellcrank, the second is a difference in
> the distance between the holes for the cables;
>
> 2. what is the source for the tailskid spring that most closely
> matches the one in the plans;
>
> Can someone help me with these??
>
> Gene
>
>
> Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news, & more!
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject:
help, please!
Date:
Jun 14, 2008
Walt; you got it exactly right! Once my Piet leaves the ground, the controls are
a light and harmonious unit and all the slop, drag, and clunk are absolutely
gone... it's light to the touch, responsive, and I'm connected to the airplane
completely. Forget degrees of roll rate per second, phugoid oscillation, and
stability... just start the engine and fly the airplane and you'll be perfectly
happy with Bernard's creation. I know I am!
I just had to get past my A&P's hesitation at the annual inspection when he showed
alarm at the slack elevator cables. "All Pietenpols are like this" sort of
settled him down ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Finally!
From:
"MikeD" <mjdt(at)auracom.com>
Date:
Jun 14, 2008
This is the sort of thing you think one would do before you actually buy a project
like we just did, but I and my co-owner buddy finally got to fly in a Piet
for the first time. Today was the Piet gathering in Brussels Ontario, and Brian
Kenney took us each up for short flights.
It was quite a relief to find out we both thoroughly enjoyed it, and the airplane
is pretty much what we expected it to be, which is a good thing. Boy, these
Piets sure have rudder authority don't they? It was pretty bumpy today, but the
Piet was a pleasure to fly.
So now we are truly fired up and itching to get ours finished!
Also got to see a Swift fly, an aircraft I ogled and lusted after when they were
first mentioned quite some years ago. 26:1 L/D for a foot launched glider ain't
too shabby.. Boy it looks unique in the air! And seems to glide forever.
Mike D.
--------
Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187937#187937
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/swiftandwaves_136.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject:
Re: Wheel Strut Brackets
Date:
Jun 14, 2008
Dane
The problem with your question is that the angle will change depending
what configuration of wheels you use. If you are going to use 21"
motorcycle wheels I will go out and measure tomorrow. If you are using
a 6.00-6 it will be different and my numbers wont help.
It looks to me just looking at your drawings, your brackets might be too
narrow. Which drawings are you basing these on? The drawings in the
Flying Glider manuals indicate
1 3/4" between mounting holes. That will interfere with the ash beam
that is on the fuse floor.
Also, The tangs that attach to the lift struts should carry thru being
one solid piece. You wouldnt want a weld to break there.
Beautiful CAD drawings.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lars Hulgreen
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheel Strut Brackets
Need some advise, I am contemplating making my wheel struts out of
wood, and for that purpose I have designed a bracket from three pieces
of metal that will be welded together. I am a little uncertain of the
angel between the bottom of the fuselage and the strut .. If anybody
could help I sure would appreciate it.
Dane
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
<catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject:
Re: Wheel Strut Brackets
Date:
Jun 14, 2008
Dane
This drawing is close to the way I built my fittings.They are slightly
modified brackets based on the wood landing gear plans. I change one
thing from the drawing, the lift strut strap that touches the bottom of
the fuselage went strait and was welded to a cross brace connected to
the other side. The bottom strap was then used for the cross cable
brace. These pictures might help explain it better.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/IMG_2448.JPG and
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/IMG_2977.JPG . Although I
was a bit intimidated by them, they were not hard to fabricate.
As for the angles to make all the bends, I drew a front view of the
fuselage to scale and placed the axel where I wanted it below the
fuselage and simply drew in the wood legs. I then measured the angles
on the drawing. I used CAD but it also worked fine on paper.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Lars Hulgreen
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 3:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheel Strut Brackets
Need some advise, I am contemplating making my wheel struts out of
wood, and for that purpose I have designed a bracket from three pieces
of metal that will be welded together. I am a little uncertain of the
angel between the bottom of the fuselage and the strut .. If anybody
could help I sure would appreciate it.
Dane
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject:
Re: help, please!
Date:
Jun 15, 2008
thanks to all for telling me to "build to the plans", and I think my
airplane is probably closest to the plans of any I have seen, but I know
that someone, maybe Ken Perkins, came up with a correction to the
geometry of the bellcrank that eliminates the slack cables and keeps
them the same tension throughout. At one time, I had made notes as to
how it worked, but I cannot find them now. I do not think it was as
simple as making the distance between the holes the same as on the
elevator horns and stick controls, but it might have been. I think it
had something to do with the bellcrank hinge not being in line with the
holes for the cables, so there is some other measurement that works that
someone arrived at through trial and error to correct for this.
I may be wrong whether it kept the cables from touching the stab, which
does not bother me, really, but I know pretty much everyone raises the
bellcrank to some amount to lessen the rub, at least. Adding pulleys at
the at end of the pilot seat makes it possible to raise it as much as
necessary. I think the only reason Bernie's rubbed was that he avoided
the use of pulleys.
Thanks for the help, keep it coming, especially the source for the
spring.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans<mailto:waltdak(at)verizon.net>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: help, please!
Gene,
I think that it is accepted that that's the way it will be,
My cables rub, but when you add the piece of leather, they rub on
that.
And I don't think that you can perfectly correct the geometry on the
cable taughtness.
Believe me, Bernard knew what he was doing,,,I've been flying mine for
6 years,,and in no way do you feel a problem with the cables or
controls.
It's a blast to fly.
Build to the plans.
Build to the plans.
Build to the plans.
Build to the plans.
Build to the plans.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"Let's Legalize Freedom"
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo<mailto:generambo(at)msn.com>
To:
pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 7:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: help, please!
I am reaching the point where I am starting assembly and need some
specific information that I have seen on here before but cannot find
now:
1. I have seen the dimensions to change the elevator bellcrank so
that the cables (1 do not touch the leading edge of the stab) and (2 do
not get tight/slack during movement through their range). The first
requires raising the bellcrank, the second is a difference in the
distance between the holes for the cables;
2. what is the source for the tailskid spring that most closely
matches the one in the plans;
Can someone help me with these??
Gene
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Piet Builders,=0AI am interested in learning what people have done regardin
g a trim control device on the control stick to offset the heaviness of the
stick.- Please comment on attach points and effectivness of the trim sys
tem.- Thank you.=0AJohn=0AGreenville, Wi=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 15, 2008
From:
shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Trim Control
Usually to compensate for stick heaviness in the piet (nose heavy with me flying)
I have to put sand bag ballast in the hat box in the seat back. Then to help
with my arm getting tired when I forget to put the ballast in, I do a couple
12oz curls with longneck dumbbells after I am done flying for the day. Works
good either way.
Shad
John Egan wrote:
Piet Builders,
I am interested in learning what people have done regarding a trim control device
on the control stick to offset the heaviness of the stick. Please comment
on attach points and effectivness of the trim system. Thank you.
John
Greenville, Wi
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject:
springs
Date:
Jun 15, 2008
by reviewing the archive, I found the spring for the tail skid, a John
Deere number is given that closely matches the one in the plans. I
ordered it online, although it costs 18.00 now instead of 9.00 back
then.
I also found where we discussed (me included) Ken Perkins' fix for the
bellcrank. I will try to contact him about this. It also looks like a
couple of you may have bought his plans for the modified bellcrank, and
I would love to hear from one of you.
Gene
202-674-1445
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Brussels 2008
From:
"Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date:
Jun 15, 2008
Well, another successful Pietenpol gathering at the Armstrong Aerodrome in the
metropolis of Brussels was held yesterday. Despite "iffy" weather in the morning,
the clouds cleared, and a beautiful sunny afternoon arrived. The weather likely
contributed to the slightly smaller than usual crowds. There were five Piets
present.
I've posted photos on Mykitplane.com:
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=328
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187984#187984
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Date:
Jun 15, 2008
From:
H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject:
Re: help, please!
I put a strip of heavy duty leather there.Works fine.=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Orig
inal Message ----=0AFrom: "helspersew(at)aol.com" <helspersew(at)aol.com>=0ATo: p
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bject: Re: Pietenpol-List: help, please!=0A=0A=0AGene,=0A=0AI understand yo
ur inquiry and the reason for it. Just keep in mind that if your upper elev
ator cable does not rub on the horizontal stabilizer, you are not officiall
y authorized to call your airplane " Pietenpol"................... Sorry.
=0A=0ADan Helsper=0APoplar Grove, IL.=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0A
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0AS
ent: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 6:14 pm=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: help, please!=0A
=0A=0AI am reaching the point where I am starting assembly and need some sp
ecific information that I have seen on here before but cannot find now:=0A
-=0A1.- I have seen the dimensions to change the elevator bellcrank so
that the cables (1 do not touch the leading edge of the stab) and (2 do not
get tight/slack during movement through their range).- The first require
s raising the bellcrank, the second is a difference in the distance between
the holes for the cables;=0A-=0A2.- what is the source for the tailski
d spring that most closely matches the one in the plans;=0A-=0ACan someon
e help me with these??=0A-=0AGene=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________
________________=0AGet the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie ne
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From:
"Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
Subject:
Trim Control
Date:
Jun 16, 2008
John,
I attached two springs to the bellcrank and fed cable through the rear seat
bulkhead to a wheel in the cockpit. A quick turn on the wheel seems to be
enough to hold the nose up a bit.
Check out the pictures for more info.
http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_1102_JPG.jpghttp://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_1104_JPG.jpghttp://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0710_JPG.jpg
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan
Sent: Monday, 16 June 2008 12:47 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Trim Control
Piet Builders,
I am interested in learning what people have done regarding a trim control
device on the control stick to offset the heaviness of the stick. Please
comment on attach points and effectivness of the trim system. Thank you.
John
Greenville, Wi
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject:
Re: springs
Date:
Jun 15, 2008
This is the part number, as posted by Bill Church, for the John Deere
spring in case anybody else is looking for the info.
John Deere sells a spring that's a perfect match for the specs; its part
number is T 143444, and it costs about $9.00. Its outer dia. is
1.5in.; full length( no load ) is 6.73"
Bill C
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:47 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: springs
by reviewing the archive, I found the spring for the tail skid, a John
Deere number is given that closely matches the one in the plans. I
ordered it online, although it costs 18.00 now instead of 9.00 back
then.
I also found where we discussed (me included) Ken Perkins' fix for the
bellcrank. I will try to contact him about this. It also looks like a
couple of you may have bought his plans for the modified bellcrank, and
I would love to hear from one of you.
Gene
202-674-1445
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb(at)charter.net>
Subject:
Re: Wheel Strut Brackets
Date:
Jun 15, 2008
Lars, I made my landing gear Vees out of 4 pieces of 1/4' ash laminated
together (Cabanes also). To get size, angles etc I made a full size
replica out of 1/4' pieces of foam board glued together.
Jim Lagowski, NX221PT
----- Original Message -----
From: Lars Hulgreen
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 6:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheel Strut Brackets
Need some advise, I am contemplating making my wheel struts out of
wood, and for that purpose I have designed a bracket from three pieces
of metal that will be welded together. I am a little uncertain of the
angel between the bottom of the fuselage and the strut .. If anybody
could help I sure would appreciate it.
Dane
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Checked by AVG.
6/13/2008 7:25 PM
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If the winds had been right I could easily have landed across the
runway. As it was, we landed on 19L and I intended to stop before the
first taxiway (K1), but on short final I realized the lights at the end
of the runway stuck up about 2 feet and I pulled up a bit to clear them
and touched down on the numbers. We stopped just past K1. The next
taxiway was over a mile away so I called Dulles Tower and asked them if
I could just turn around an back-taxi to K1, which they approved. Total
landing roll was something under 400 feet.
As we took off yesterday, the B747 behind us commented to the tower that
we didn't use more than 250' getting off the ground (there was a good 15
knot wind right down runway 30). I replied that getting off the ground
was one thing, but it would take me 10 minutes to get to 1500 feet. All
in all, the tower operators and approach control people were great to
work with. As we were taxiing in a "conga line" from Dulles Jet to the
Udvar-Hazy Museum on Saturday morning, we taxied down Kilo straight into
a 15 knot wind. The planes in front of me were running off and leaving
me, and the ones behind were probably cursing me under their breath. I
called Ground and said "Dulles Ground, Pietenpol November X-Ray eight
niner niner Juliet Papa, I apologize for my slow taxi speed. I'm
showing over 30 mph on my airspeed indicator and I'm within about 5
knots of flying." They responded that I should just take my time - no
problem at all.
This event was a lot of fun. I met a couple of Piet Builders - Steve
Chase came to the event, and I met Gene Rambo at our final fuel stop at
Culpepper VA and got to look at his Piet project (very nice workmanship
he's doing, too). The Pietenpol was one of the most popular planes
there and we had a steady stream of kids wanting to sit in its cockpit.
Karen survived her first Pietenpol cross country (4-1/2 hours with 2
fuel stops each way) and seemed to enjoy herself, although when I asked
if she wanted to join me on the trip to Brodhead she said she wished I
wasn't going and she certainly wouldn't! 18 hours each way is too much
for her.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 5:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jack going to Dulles
I'd bet money on Jack Phillips that if they allowed him, he could land
SIDEWAYS on the runway of his
choice at Dulles and have room to turn around without going off into the
grass.
Heck, the runway I've landed on at Oshkosh they call 18L/36R but is
otherwise a taxiway during the rest
of the year. That taxiway is probably three times as wide as my home
base runway.
Mike C.
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Date:
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From:
Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject:
Jack going to Dulles
Good for you, Jack! Sorry I missed it, couldn't get out of the meetings.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Jack going to Dulles
Date:
Jun 16, 2008
From:
"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Great report Jack and glad the trip went well for you ! Excellent
photo and descriptions. That
place is huge !
I took Karen for a ride in my Piet at Oshkosh to make a circuit like the
Breezy does when giving rides
and while we were climbing out about even with the Oshkosh Truck plant
stacks they launched two P-51
Mustangs in formation below us, departing, and on the deck. I think
she was ready to land right then
and there but of course I thought it was incredibly cool.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Cowls
From:
"MikeD" <mjdt(at)auracom.com>
Date:
Jun 16, 2008
At an airport about 90 minutes from here, there is a Piet sitting in the hangar
with a really, really nice fiberglass (sacrilege!) cowl. The glass work is too
good for me to believe it was a one-off. I took some pics but am having camera
problems and can't download them right at the moment, but maybe I can describe
it. Oh, and no the owner does not know who made it but believes the person
has since passed away.
It has a nicely rounded air inlet below the spinner with three tubular vertical
supports fitted internally. The top has a pleasant compound curvature that blends
into the hub opening perfectly. The carb intake area is almost a form fit,
and the cowl to either side tapers away directly from the hub opening. Word
don't do as well as pictures do they?
But with this mediocre description, does anyone have an idea about the origins?
There can't be too many people that have made molds for a complete Piet cowl
assembly.
I made a crude sketch from memory on AutoCAD and put it in jpeg format, attached.
Mike D.
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From:
"Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject:
Cowls
Date:
Jun 16, 2008
Mike,
I'm going to use my powers of ESP and guess that you're talking about the
really nicely designed and fabricated cowl on what was originally NX28LT
(but is now based in Canada), built by Lawrence Tomasello.
I haven't seen photos of another cowl quite like it, and my guess is that it
was a one-off. It sure is nice, though.
Maybe there's someone out there on the list that knows a bit mote about the
history of the plane.
Bill C.
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Subject:
Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling
Date:
Jun 16, 2008
From:
"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
This is one sweet Pietenpol. Randy Bruce flew it up from Florida to
Oshkosh in 99 for our gaggle gathering. Fun guy,
great artist....he did the logo and N-numbers. If I'm not mistaken the
plane was purchased by Randy but he made it
what it is methinks. I might be wrong about that but the FAA registry
would say who the builder is. (look it up on
Landings.com under databases (wayyyy at the bottom of the web page in
small font)
Note the landing gear legs appear to be wood but are steel tube painted
up to appear as wood.
As an aside, this plane was purchased or being brokered by the late
Bobby Younkin on his web page before his passing
so whoever has it now purchased it from/thru them unless there has been
a subsequent change of owners since that purchase.
Mike C. in Ohio
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From:
"Robert Gow" <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca>
Subject:
Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling
Date:
Jun 16, 2008
RE: Pietenpol-List: CowlsI'm sure I saw that one at a Pietenpol Fly-In in
Brussels Ontario. It had been recently imported.
Bob
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling
This is one sweet Pietenpol. Randy Bruce flew it up from Florida to
Oshkosh in 99 for our gaggle gathering. Fun guy,
great artist....he did the logo and N-numbers. If I'm not mistaken the
plane was purchased by Randy but he made it
what it is methinks. I might be wrong about that but the FAA registry
would say who the builder is. (look it up on
Landings.com under databases (wayyyy at the bottom of the web page in
small font)
Note the landing gear legs appear to be wood but are steel tube painted up
to appear as wood.
As an aside, this plane was purchased or being brokered by the late Bobby
Younkin on his web page before his passing
so whoever has it now purchased it from/thru them unless there has been a
subsequent change of owners since that purchase.
Mike C. in Ohio
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Date:
Jun 16, 2008
From:
Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject:
Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling
We almost bought that plane. I think it was purchased from Mr.
Younkin just before he died.
Jeff
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Subject:
Re: Cowls
From:
"MikeD" <mjdt(at)auracom.com>
Date:
Jun 16, 2008
eng(at)canadianrogers.com wrote:
> Mike,
> I'm going to use my powers of ESP and guess that you're talking about the really
nicely designed and fabricated cowl on what was originally NX28LT (but is
now based in Canada), built by Lawrence Tomasello.
> I haven't seen photos of another cowl quite like it, and my guess is that it
was a one-off. It sure is nice, though.
> Maybe there's someone out there on the list that knows a bit mote about the history
of the plane.
>
>
> Bill C.
Could be, it was brought up here not long ago and resides at Brussels. It is red
and black, with "Cap'n Buck Nekkid" hand painted by the cockpit (LOL). Is that
the one?
I haven't been able to talk to the owner yet, but according to the fellow who owns
the site the owner didn't know much more than someone other than the seller
made it and is now deceased. I wondered if someone here might know right off.
The outside surface is so clean that I figured it had to be pulled from a female
mold, so I also figured that mold must be somewhere! I'd be happy to pull
parts from it, I can do glass work.
If I have no luck, the gameplan is to install an aluminum cowl for now, and start
from scratch on a sexy cowl.
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Subject:
Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling
From:
"MikeD" <mjdt(at)auracom.com>
Date:
Jun 16, 2008
michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov wrote:
> This is one sweet Pietenpol. Randy Bruce flew it up from Florida to Oshkosh
So, Mike, is this in response to my question above? [Laughing]
That's the one!
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Subject:
Re: Cowls
From:
"Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date:
Jun 16, 2008
That's the one.
The photo was one I shot at Brussels last year, when they had the plane out on
display.
Bill C.
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Date:
Jun 17, 2008
From:
Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject:
Re: Axle
What size wall thickness are you guys with 1 1/2" straight axles using?
Clif
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Subject:
Bill Church photos
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
From:
"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Nice photo Bill-----thanks to you and several other good photographers
on the list we really have a great selection of Piet photos available to
us
now. 10 years ago...not so much.
If you do a Google images search on Pietenpol or Grega you can really
enjoy
a time of seeing all the creative ways builders have created.
Mike C. from a nice, cool, comfortable Ohio morning.
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Mine are .188" wall
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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What size wall thickness are you guys with 1 1/2" straight axles using?
Clif
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Subject:
Re: Axle
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
.120 is the correct size if you're going brakeless. The axle length will
be extended if you install brakes which may require upsizing or heat
treating for added strength.
Greg C.
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Axle
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Chrissi,
Whaddya mean, the Piet is not a cross-country plane?
You just haven't been around Pietenpols long enough. My wife
spent a total of 9 hours sitting in our Pietenpol this weekend, flying
cross-country. It can be done, you've just got to find the right
spouse.
As Walt Evans has been known to say "The Pietenpol is slow, but
the Sky is patient"
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Still Married?
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:41:44 +0000
...Unfortunately the Piets are not a cross-country plane where
you can take your spouse to a fly in and have them hear the stories
about the far and wide travels and holidays flyers have had with their
completed projects, or the group flights to the Bahamas or Key West
after Sun-n-fun.
Maybe you can get them to read some Richard Bach and give them
some insight into that far away look in your eyes? (its not from T-88
dust)
...Chrissi
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Subject:
flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
From:
"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Great photos of you and your wife Jack and hats off to her for going
along with you to the weekend
event at the Udvar-Hazy National Air & Space Museum !
Letting kids sit in the cockpit is extremely gratifying when you see
them light up as you let them
move the controls and point out how the ailerons work like (as I like to
explain) how you lean your
bicycle over when you make turns. This Mennonite family at the
Indianapolis air show was just one
example. That one visit made my entire trip totally worthwhile.
Those kids were thrilled.
Mike C.
PS-- then again you have to watch out for the unruly brats who have
ignorant, hands-off parents who
try to climb up the side of your fuselage side kicking and grappling for
entry. I literally had to pull a kid
off of my plane one time as he was bashing the side stringer trying to
get his legs over the longeron
by the cockpit. The mother said 'oh Johnny, why don't you come over
here and we'll go get you some
ice cream. You takes the good with the bad at a flying event. (just
don't stray too far from your airplane
and remember to do a more than adequate pre flight.)
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Subject:
Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling
From:
"MikeD" <mjdt(at)auracom.com>
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov wrote:
> I might be wrong about that but the FAA registry would say who the builder is.
(look it up on
> Landings.com under databases (wayyyy at the bottom of the web page in small
font)
Hmm.. I used the database search engine as best I could but it would not return
an entry for N28LT. I'll try to contact the current owner and see what he knows.
There was no listing for a Pietenpol with Randy listed as builder either.
I think I was doing the search correctly but..?
- Mike D.
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Subject:
cross country in a Pietenpol
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
From:
"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
I've flown my Pietenpol the 520 mile trip several times from Cleveland
to Oshkosh and a few more from
Cleveland to Brodhead which is less but still a good hike. No big
deal as long as the weather is VFR.
It takes roughly about the same time as it would to drive, sometimes
less, sometimes more but generally
about the same unless you're spouse has a Mazzerati and a heavy food
with radar and laser detector and
about twenty of those FOP stickers on her windows.
The neat thing is that the first two times at Oshkosh I went with no
gps, no radio, no weather radar at airports,
and simply a set of charts all Scotch taped together with tick marks
here and there and a lap board strapped
to my left thigh.
I couldn't agree with Don Emch more about going NORDO if you can in your
area.
Mike C.
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... I couldn't agree with Don Emch more about going NORDO if you can in
your area.
Mike C.
I agree, Mike - NORDO is cool. But I must admit, I got a kick out of
going into the Class B around Dulles, after penetrating the Washington
ADIZ, and having Potomac Approach call "Novermber X-Ray Eight Niner
Niner Juliet Papa, can you go to twenty five hundred (I was at 1500')
and I said "Affirmative, but it will take me about 10 minutes to get
there." They came back "Oh never mind. Maintain fifteen hundred", then
they vectored some business jet around me. Kind of made it worth all
the trouble to install a radio and transponder in the airplane.
Jack Phillips, PE
Sr. Manager, Disposable Products Research & Development
Cardinal Health Clinical Technologies & Services
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From:
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Subject:
Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
Mike D.,
I don't think you're going to have any luck with finding N28LT in the
database, since the plane is no longer registered in the US.
>From a quick Googling, I found references to the plane, indicating that it
was built in 1985 by Lawrence Tomasello.
The plane changed hands a few times over the years, until being bought a
couple of years ago, and imported into Ontario.
The new registration letters are C-GLPA.
>From what I heard at Brussels, the owner has had a difficult time getting
everything approved to get a permit to fly. Lots of paperwork and red tape,
and it's been over a year already.
There are a couple more photos listed under N28LT on this website:
http://www.airport-data.com/search/search2.html?field=model&code=pietenpol
Bill C.
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From:
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Date:
Jun 17, 2008
Subject:
Re: cross country in a Pietenpol
Jack that's sooo funny! I love it!
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Subject:
Nordo and fun Withdo
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
From:
"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Great story Jack about the Dulles controller and even though we are
small fish in a big ocean when going into a big
airport like you and your wife just did you still feel pretty important
when someone at Dulles/Potomac Approach control
is calling out your N-number. Would be neat to have recorded that. I
know my Icom 5 has a record capability but
I would have had to read all about it prior to even going out to the
airport to fuss with it for an event like yours.
Did they refer to you as "Experimental November X-Ray.....or Pietenpol
or Homebuilt ? or simply N.... ?
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When I called in, I called myself "Pietenpol November X-Ray Eight Niner
Niner Juliet Papa, Hazy Showplane" On subsequent calls, it was just
"November X-Ray..." You don't have to call yourself Experimental if you
use X-Ray in your call sign.
I was a bit worried about the transponder working properly. It's only
the second time I've ever turned it on. It draws quite a bit of current
and I can't recharge the battery in flight, so I tend to leave it off
unless I absolutely have to use it. Worked pretty well for something
that I bought on ebay for $200. Apparently it was working well, and
giving accurate altitudes for me.
The controllers there must not see a lot of small airplanes. They put
me on a downwind for runway 19L that was at least 5 miles from the
runway. I could barely see it. Then they ran me several miles past the
end of the runway before they told me to turn base and call the tower.
When the tower cleared us to land, I turned at a 45 degree angle aiming
for the end of the runway and cut off a couple of miles of flying.
Now if the weather will be just as nice for the trip to Brodhead next
month...
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nordo and fun Withdo
Great story Jack about the Dulles controller and even though we are
small fish in a big ocean when going into a big
airport like you and your wife just did you still feel pretty important
when someone at Dulles/Potomac Approach control
is calling out your N-number. Would be neat to have recorded that. I
know my Icom 5 has a record capability but
I would have had to read all about it prior to even going out to the
airport to fuss with it for an event like yours.
Did they refer to you as "Experimental November X-Ray.....or Pietenpol
or Homebuilt ? or simply N.... ?
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Date:
Jun 17, 2008
Subject:
Re: Still Married?
In a message dated 6/17/2008 6:56:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com writes:
Chrissi,
Whaddya mean, the Piet is not a cross-country plane?
You just havent been around Pietenpols long enough. My wife spent a total
of 9 hours sitting in our Pietenpol this weekend, flying cross-country. It
can be done, youve just got to find the right spouse.
======================================
Jack,
You guys are just awesome, that is quite a trip together. Great pictures.
Beautiful plane too, I hope we get to see it in person one of these days.
Ha ha ha, "right spouse"... after the first couple I think the next one is
going to have to hunt me down, I have a lot of projects right now.
We are glad we have one project to finish before starting in on the Piet.
The Cozy we decided to build a plane, ordered plans and were mixing epoxy
the day they arrived. If we had just sat back patiently for about a year or so,
listened carefully (mouth closed, ears open) we would have learned a lot.
By the time we start the Piet we will have a pile of notes and notebooks
just from the exchanges on this list.
In a perfect world we would have to build one first to find out the details
of how to do a better job next time. Hopefully we can learn a lot of those
details before we start.
Regards, Chrissi
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Thanks Jack
From:
"chase143" <chase143(at)aol.com>
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
Jack,
Thanks to you and Karen for making the trip to Dulles this past weekend. It was
my first chance to see a Pietenpol up close, and your's is exceptional. I have
only 17 +/- ribs completed, and my building, before now, had been on faith and
pictorial inspiration, so you have no idea what a great inspiration you have
provided to this ole fighter pilot. As is usually the case at air shows, one
or two aircraft tend to steal the show, and Icarus Plummet was certainly the
focus at Dulles last Saturday. However, it's little wonder, given the obvious
attention in your craftsmanship, and the great rapport you and Karen had with
the crowd.
Thanks for flying up, hope to see you again at Brodhead!
Steve
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Thanks, Steve. I appreciate the kind words.
I feel like a dummy for not offering to let you climb in it and get the
feel of it. It didn't even occur to me, and you were too polite to ask.
Don't be so polite next time.
Good to hear you have 17 ribs now. I think you said Saturday that you
had 15 so you are making progress!
If you make it to Brodhead and the wx cooperates enough to allow me to
fly it there, I'll give you a ride in it.
Jack
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thanks Jack
Jack,
Thanks to you and Karen for making the trip to Dulles this past weekend.
It was my first chance to see a Pietenpol up close, and your's is
exceptional. I have only 17 +/- ribs completed, and my building, before
now, had been on faith and pictorial inspiration, so you have no idea
what a great inspiration you have provided to this ole fighter pilot. As
is usually the case at air shows, one or two aircraft tend to steal the
show, and Icarus Plummet was certainly the focus at Dulles last
Saturday. However, it's little wonder, given the obvious attention in
your craftsmanship, and the great rapport you and Karen had with the
crowd.
Thanks for flying up, hope to see you again at Brodhead!
Steve
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From:
lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
Subject:
Nordo-Pie tx/c-C. Ganzer
If I were flying in to Osh. in a SR-71, I would fly in as NORDO. And
speaking of Pietenpol cross country, I got my, THE BEACON last week (the
newsletter of the EAA chapter 88. Wichita Ks ) and since Chuck G. hasn't
piped in on the subject I thought I would announce to the world that
none other than our own Chuck Ganzer will be the guest speaker. Talking
about building his Piet and his cross country adventures. So, coast to
coast, border to border, and all points in between or beyond, come one,
come all to the Kansas Aviation Museum. 3350 S. George Washington Blvd.
Wichita Ks. this Sat eve. June 21, 7:30 pm and be regaled with tales of
high Pietenpol adventure. Signed Anonymous
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Date:
Jun 17, 2008
From:
"TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject:
Re: Nordo-Pie tx/c-C. Ganzer
>So, coast to coast, border to border, and all points in between or
beyond, come one,>
>come all to the Kansas Aviation Museum. 3350 S. George Washington
Blvd.>
>Wichita Ks. this Sat eve. June 21, 7:30 pm and be regaled with tales
of>
>high Pietenpol adventure. Signed Anonymous>
Whoo Hoo - I'm only 60 miles down the road from Wichita. I think I can
afford
the gas for a great reason like listening to Chuck G. Tell him to bring
some
of his DVD's to sell.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS
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From:
Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net>
Subject:
Cross country in a Piet?
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
Speaking of cross country, Bill Rewey has flown his Piet from Madison,
Wi. to Sun N Fun 1400 mi. each way four times.
Too bad Bill isn't computer wise. He could add a lot of good useful
info about Piets and building.
Roman Bukolt NX20795, close friend of Bill's.
We'll both see y'all at Brodhead.
On Jun 17, 2008, at 11:02 AM, Leon Stefan wrote:
>
> If I were flying in to Osh. in a SR-71, I would fly in as NORDO. And
> speaking of Pietenpol cross country, I got my, THE BEACON last week
> (the
> newsletter of the EAA chapter 88. Wichita Ks ) and since Chuck G.
> hasn't
> piped in on the subject I thought I would announce to the world that
> none other than our own Chuck Ganzer will be the guest speaker.
> Talking
> about building his Piet and his cross country adventures. So, coast to
> coast, border to border, and all points in between or beyond, come
> one,
> come all to the Kansas Aviation Museum. 3350 S. George Washington
> Blvd.
> Wichita Ks. this Sat eve. June 21, 7:30 pm and be regaled with tales
> of
> high Pietenpol adventure. Signed Anonymous
>
>
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Subject:
Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling
From:
"MikeD" <mjdt(at)auracom.com>
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
eng(at)canadianrogers.com wrote:
>
> From what I heard at Brussels, the owner has had a difficult time getting everything
approved to get a permit to fly. Lots of paperwork and red tape, and it's
been over a year already.
Were you there this year? If so, we must have met.. but my memory for names and
putting them to faces is pathetic.
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Re: Thanks Jack
From:
"chase143" <chase143(at)aol.com>
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
Jack,
No problem, you were also having to deal with those thunderstorms coming in, which
reminded me to include "cockpit covers" in my things to do binder, which is
a foot thick!
Anyway, had I crawled in I might have quit my job right then and there to work
on mine full time. And though my wife of 25 years (this month) is my greatest
supporter, she would probably have something to say about that....
Can't wait for Brodhead and to take you up on your offer, way too kind!
Steve
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From:
"Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
Subject:
Re: Cross country in a Piet?
I flew many hours (note not miles) X/C in a Cessna 150 and was often told by those
with bigger planes how a 150 simpy was not a good X/C plane. A friend talked
about people who flew the country over in Piper Cubs in the 40s and 50s. Now
they are considered to be good for local flights only.
I had a little Yamaha 550 and was with a group of guys who all had big bikes. Several
proceeded to inform me that the 550 was simply too small to tour on and
that 750CC + was required. One of the old men laughed and later showed us a photo
of him on His Cushman Eagle Scooter loaded down with camping gear. He traveled
all over on that Scooter and said that it was all attitude. No one told
them that they shouldn't do it so they did it.
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net>
Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:42
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cross country in a Piet?
>
> Speaking of cross country, Bill Rewey has flown his Piet from
> Madison,
> Wi. to Sun N Fun 1400 mi. each way four times.
> Too bad Bill isn't computer wise. He could add a lot of good
> useful
> info about Piets and building.
> Roman Bukolt NX20795, close friend of Bill's.
> We'll both see y'all at Brodhead.
> On Jun 17, 2008, at 11:02 AM, Leon Stefan wrote:
>
> Stefan)>
> > If I were flying in to Osh. in a SR-71, I would fly in as NORDO. And
> > speaking of Pietenpol cross country, I got my, THE BEACON last
> week
> > (the
> > newsletter of the EAA chapter 88. Wichita Ks ) and since Chuck
> G.
> > hasn't
> > piped in on the subject I thought I would announce to the world that
> > none other than our own Chuck Ganzer will be the guest speaker.
> > Talking
> > about building his Piet and his cross country adventures. So,
> coast to
> > coast, border to border, and all points in between or beyond,
> come
> > one,
> > come all to the Kansas Aviation Museum. 3350 S. George
> Washington
> > Blvd.
> > Wichita Ks. this Sat eve. June 21, 7:30 pm and be regaled with
> tales
> > of
> > high Pietenpol adventure. Signed Anonymous
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Re: Cross country in a Piet?
From:
"MikeD" <mjdt(at)auracom.com>
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
steven.d.dortch(at)us.arm wrote:
> I had a little Yamaha 550 and was with a group of guys who all had big bikes.
Several proceeded to inform me that the 550 was simply too small to tour on and
that 750CC + was required.
I never realized 11.5 second quarter miles and 130+mph top end were prerequisites
for touring. Typical attitude from people who believe their way is the only
way. Last I checked if your safety equipment is good (tires, brakes etc.) and
the bike can maintain legal road speeds you can do whatever the blazes you want
and go wherever you feel like with it!
Same principle applies to aircraft I guess. Do what you want to do and to heck
with those who say you can't! Well, within reason of course.. [Wink]
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From:
"Greg Chapman" <greg(at)mousetrax.com>
Subject:
Cross country in a Piet?
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
Man, you nailed it. My parents had 150cc and 80cc street bikes in the late
60's. They'd put my brother and I on the back and hit the Interstates. Now
when you tell someone you're going to x-country on a 750 motorcycle they
look at you like you're nuts. I look back at them like they're ignorant.
Yep, I'm the one with the bad attitude. ;)
If you think flying a cub x-country is impossible, unwise or improbable,
take a read of
http://www.amazon.com/Flight-Passage-Story-Rinker-Buck/dp/0786883154
Greg Chapman
http://www.mousetrax.comhttp://www.layer1wireless.com
"Don't start with me or I'll
replace you with a small and
efficient script!"
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, Steven D MAJ
> NG NG FORSCOM
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:13 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cross country in a Piet?
>
> FORSCOM"
>
> I flew many hours (note not miles) X/C in a Cessna 150 and was often
> told by those with bigger planes how a 150 simpy was not a good X/C
> plane. A friend talked about people who flew the country over in Piper
> Cubs in the 40s and 50s. Now they are considered to be good for local
> flights only.
>
> I had a little Yamaha 550 and was with a group of guys who all had big
> bikes. Several proceeded to inform me that the 550 was simply too small
> to tour on and that 750CC + was required. One of the old men laughed
> and later showed us a photo of him on His Cushman Eagle Scooter loaded
> down with camping gear. He traveled all over on that Scooter and said
> that it was all attitude. No one told them that they shouldn't do it so
> they did it.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject:
Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
Mike,
Yes, I was there, but I don't have a face.
Just kidding.
I'm not the greatest at introducing myself, so I don't think we actually
met. But after thinking about it I believe we might have sat together for a
bit. I see from the archives that you recently bought a Piet project from
Colorado, that has wings to be assembled, and I recall sitting in on a
conversation with Brian Kenney about wing construction details. Someone went
to get a copy of the plans. Was that you and your building partner? If so, I
know what the two of you look like (but not who is who). I've seen a few
photos of your project (before it was yours) and thought that it looked to
be well built, and nicely done.
I'm about four years into my build - with only a set of ribs and a
horizontal stab and elevators to show for it, so far. But I'm having fun. I
work on it whenever I get a chance, which sometimes isn't very often. Life
has a tendency to get in the way of airplane building.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MikeD
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling
eng(at)canadianrogers.com wrote:
>
> From what I heard at Brussels, the owner has had a difficult time getting
everything approved to get a permit to fly. Lots of paperwork and red tape,
and it's been over a year already.
Were you there this year? If so, we must have met.. but my memory for names
and putting them to faces is pathetic.
--------
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________________________________________________________________________________
Fellow Pieters:
I am wondering what gauges most of you are using in your piet's if using a corvair
engine. Information such as: type of gauge, brand of gauge, tach (pulse, coil, or
teeth counter) etc..
I am ready to assemble my panel and wonder "which" gauges and brands (where purchased).
Don't need an F-14 cockpit but just curious what others are using....
Village Idiot
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
Subject:
Had a killer week
Hello good people!
I just wanted to share my last week with you I purchased an engine for my
Piet, its an 0235 I am really excited about it with little over 600 hrs SMOH,
hat a light strike so I'll pull the crank and send it out for inspection and
magna flux. I am looking at ECI in San Antonio for the inspection unless you
have suggestions for other shops for the inspection and certification.
On Sunday Fathers day I had my first EAA tech counselor visit and inspection
he comments included phrases like great looking project and great
workmanship. After working in a virtual vacuum for the past 18 months its nice
to hear.
Mad my day and I just had to share the news with you guys. I guess you need
someone to validate your work.
I got some great advice and am highly impressed with that program, anyone
willing to take time out on fathers day to look at a project, spend the time
and provide the guidance to me is just a great experience. If I had to find
any justification for rejoining the EAA that's was more than I could have ever
hoped for.
An I just needed to share that with the group, I had a killer week and I got
an engine for my Piet, who could ask for anything more?
John Recine
NX895BP reserved
BTW anyone got a line on a motor mount for the Lycoming 0235 engine or
suggestions on what stock mounts will couple up to the Piet? I am up for
suggestions oh yea its the low compression model so it should run pretty good on
mogas
from what I have read so far. I haven't been doing much gluing this summer
but I am getting things done and off the list
**************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
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From:
AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
Subject:
Re: Aircraft gauges
Ken,
for what its worth I been collecting mine on ebay so at the moment I have a
variety, still not sure which I am gonna use I do have 3 brand new whisky
compass NOS Chinese if you're interested in one? if not no biggie just letting
ya know is all.
I am not certain about the rest at the moment, do I want to be a minimalist
true to form or cheat and go high tech all in one Nav and Engine integrated
system probes and all for $2400.00 is attractive. I know if I did something
like that I will never hear the end of it but the economics and weight savings
are a tempting offset.
John
In a message dated 6/17/2008 2:58:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com writes:
Fellow Pieters:
I am wondering what gauges most of you are using in your piet's if using a
corvair engine. Information such as: type of gauge, brand of gauge, tach
(pulse, coil, or teeth counter) etc..
I am ready to assemble my panel and wonder "which" gauges and brands (where
purchased). Don't need an F-14 cockpit but just curious what others are
using....
Village Idiot
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
From:
"TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject:
Re: Aircraft gauges
>I am wondering what gauges most of you are using in your piet's if
using a corvair engine.>
>Information such as: type of gauge, brand of gauge, tach (pulse,
coil, or teeth counter) etc.>.
Dear Village:
Word to the Wise department. Steer clear of e-Bay for your instruments
unless you have a vendor that gives a return guarantee. There are
wonderful deals to be found there but somebody wants to get rid of this
used piece of equipment for some reason and it isn't because he wants to
see you flying. I picked up a nice pressure altimeter for a very
reasonable price because it "just came out of a 172 in "working condition"
but just wasn't quite up to IFR standards." Wasn't up to VFR standards
either unless Mean Seal Level was jerking about that day. Long story -
short, the instrument shop said "junk it, not worth fixing." It's going
to be your derriere up there so bite the bullet and put in instruments
that you can trust!
Tom S in beautiful McPherson
(of course the plane is down at the moment)
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From:
John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject:
Re: Cross country in a Piet?
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
Here's West Virginia from the Cub big adventure of last month. I flew
from the home of Jack Phillips in North Carolina, back to Hartford, WI
on May 9 and 10th. 700 nautical miles and 13.5 flying hours to make it
home. At this point in the adventure I was about 5000 ft with a
groundspeed of 29 mph. Also pictured is Jack Phillips with list member
Glenn "watch out for my flying wood" Thomas and a photo of the baggage
strapped in and ready to go. I will admit to being pretty apprehensive
about this flight but when I got going and out of the mountains and
weather it was great fun and a huge sense of accomplishment.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Jun 17, 2008, at 1:18 PM, Greg Chapman wrote:
> >
>
> Man, you nailed it. My parents had 150cc and 80cc street bikes in
> the late
> 60's. They'd put my brother and I on the back and hit the
> Interstates. Now
> when you tell someone you're going to x-country on a 750 motorcycle
> they
> look at you like you're nuts. I look back at them like they're
> ignorant.
> Yep, I'm the one with the bad attitude. ;)
>
> If you think flying a cub x-country is impossible, unwise or
> improbable,
> take a read of
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Flight-Passage-Story-Rinker-Buck/dp/0786883154
>
> Greg Chapman
> http://www.mousetrax.com
> http://www.layer1wireless.com
>
> "Don't start with me or I'll
> replace you with a small and
> efficient script!"
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-
>> pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, Steven D
>> MAJ
>> NG NG FORSCOM
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:13 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cross country in a Piet?
>>
>> FORSCOM"
>>
>> I flew many hours (note not miles) X/C in a Cessna 150 and was often
>> told by those with bigger planes how a 150 simpy was not a good X/C
>> plane. A friend talked about people who flew the country over in
>> Piper
>> Cubs in the 40s and 50s. Now they are considered to be good for local
>> flights only.
>>
>> I had a little Yamaha 550 and was with a group of guys who all had
>> big
>> bikes. Several proceeded to inform me that the 550 was simply too
>> small
>> to tour on and that 750CC + was required. One of the old men laughed
>> and later showed us a photo of him on His Cushman Eagle Scooter
>> loaded
>> down with camping gear. He traveled all over on that Scooter and said
>> that it was all attitude. No one told them that they shouldn't do
>> it so
>> they did it.
>>
>> Blue Skies,
>> Steve D.
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Way to go, John. It makes it feel more like a project when you have the
engine sitting in your shop. Now you can seriously move forward with
such things as planning your weight & balance, your engine mount, how to
run the engine controls, all those little details that have been sort of
left up in the air.
My guess is you'll have to design your own engine mount for it. Any
existing mount for an O-235 will be designed to mount on a steel tube
fuselage like a Citabria 7ECA. I'm copying my brother on this email,
because he happens to have a Citabria 7ECA sitting in his shop getting
recovered and he might be able to take some pictures of its engine mount
and give you some dimensions from it. My recommendation would be to
copy as much of the Citabria mount as you can, but adapt the firewall
portion to be like the Pietenpol A-65 mount to pick up the longerons and
transfer the load. Design it so the thrust line is more or less aligned
with the plane of the top longerons and it should be fine. Since it is
nearly twice the power of the A-65, you might want to double up on the
bolts passing through the longerons, just to make sure you can transfer
all that power safely without shearing the wood.
Good luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Had a killer week
Hello good people!
I just wanted to share my last week with you I purchased an engine for
my Piet, its an 0235 I am really excited about it with little over 600
hrs SMOH, hat a light strike so I'll pull the crank and send it out for
inspection and magna flux. I am looking at ECI in San Antonio for the
inspection unless you have suggestions for other shops for the
inspection and certification.
On Sunday Fathers day I had my first EAA tech counselor visit and
inspection he comments included phrases like great looking project and
great workmanship. After working in a virtual vacuum for the past 18
months its nice to hear. Mad my day and I just had to share the news
with you guys. I guess you need someone to validate your work.
I got some great advice and am highly impressed with that program,
anyone willing to take time out on fathers day to look at a project,
spend the time and provide the guidance to me is just a great
experience. If I had to find any justification for rejoining the EAA
that's was more than I could have ever hoped for.
An I just needed to share that with the group, I had a killer week and I
got an engine for my Piet, who could ask for anything more?
John Recine
NX895BP reserved
BTW anyone got a line on a motor mount for the Lycoming 0235 engine or
suggestions on what stock mounts will couple up to the Piet? I am up for
suggestions oh yea its the low compression model so it should run pretty
good on mogas from what I have read so far. I haven't been doing much
gluing this summer but I am getting things done and off the list
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From:
"Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject:
Re: Axle
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
Mine are the same as Jack's.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 6:17 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Axle
Mine are .188" wall
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 4:04 AM
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Axle
What size wall thickness are you guys with 1 1/2" straight axles
using?
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From:
"Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com>
Subject:
Had a killer week
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
I, and lots of others have had very good success with Aircraft Specialties
Services in Tulsa. http://www.aircraft-specialties.com/ They have good
machining services and good prices on parts. Lots ov overhaul shops use
them.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:07 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Had a killer week
Hello good people!
, hat a light strike so I'll pull the crank and send it out for inspection
and magna flux. I am looking at ECI in San Antonio for the inspection unless
you have suggestions for other shops for the inspection and certification.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Re: Aircraft gauges
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
From:
hvandervoo(at)aol.com
Ken,
Stewart warner, 82636 Tachometer, 32646 sender (teeth counter)
Clarks / Westach, C 9307 oil pressure, C 9308 Oil temp, plus two CHT
gauges westach
ASC / Falcon, Altimeter, Airspeed.
ASC / Hobbs
ASC / Compass
Fuel gauge, home made
additional airspeed, home made (johnson type)
That's about it
Hans
-----Original Message-----
From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 1:54 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft gauges
Fellow Pieters:
I am wondering what gauges most of you are using in your piet's if
using a corvair engine. Information such as: type of gauge, brand of
gauge, tach (pulse, coil,or teeth counter) etc..
I am ready to assemble my panel and wonder "which" gauges and brands
(where purchased). Don't need an F-14 cockpit but just curious what
others are using....
Village Idiot
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling
From:
"MikeD" <mjdt(at)auracom.com>
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
eng(at)canadianrogers.com wrote:
> Mike,
> Yes, I was there, but I don't have a face.
> Just kidding.
> I'm not the greatest at introducing myself, so I don't think we actually met.
But after thinking about it I believe we might have sat together for a bit. I
see from the archives that you recently bought a Piet project from Colorado,
that has wings to be assembled, and I recall sitting in on a conversation with
Brian Kenney about wing construction details. Someone went to get a copy of the
plans. Was that you and your building partner? If so, I know what the two of
you look like (but not who is who). I've seen a few photos of your project (before
it was yours) and thought that it looked to be well built, and nicely done.
--
I'm no better at introductions - my wife will attest to that.
Yup, that was us, we're 50/50 co-owners. Luckily we're good buddies and misfits
of a similar ilk, so we'll get along fine. I'm the short one with receding hairline
and a noisy 2-stroke motorcycle, and Dan is the taller guy with lots of
hair and moustache, and nearly always smiling.
The construction is very, very well done on this project. The covering/paint, well,
good from far, but up close there are some issues. Completely secure and
functional, no problem. But we're likely stuck with stripping at least the tail
feathers anyhow for inspections (we're going the homebuilt route) so my plan
is to strip the fuse too. We want to do a bang up job on it - who doesn't of
course - and I think covering the whole affair, apart from being time-consuming
and smelly, will satisfy our need to feel like we were a significant part of
the construction process.
You know, regarding that other Piet - I am a total, utter bonehead. Seriously.
I was talking to Dan today (who also deserves the same rap) about my efforts to
track down the history of the aircraft, and he suddenly piped up said "hey wait,
I think I took a picture of the nameplate. Hmm, let's see.. yeah, here it
is.. ." and lo and behold, there was the builder's name and address. Doh! Man..
sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees. He may be long gone or still
gong strong, but anyhow that's where I'll be looking for info on that cowl!
Mike D.
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________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject:
Re: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
Mike
You are so right about watching every constantly. I was parked on the
grass at a fly in last fall and found a heavy old guy using my elevator
as a back rest like it was a lawn chair.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:34 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the
cockpit
Great photos of you and your wife Jack and hats off to her for going
along with you to the weekend
event at the Udvar-Hazy National Air & Space Museum !
Letting kids sit in the cockpit is extremely gratifying when you see
them light up as you let them
move the controls and point out how the ailerons work like (as I like
to explain) how you lean your
bicycle over when you make turns. This Mennonite family at the
Indianapolis air show was just one
example. That one visit made my entire trip totally worthwhile.
Those kids were thrilled.
Mike C.
PS-- then again you have to watch out for the unruly brats who have
ignorant, hands-off parents who
try to climb up the side of your fuselage side kicking and grappling
for entry. I literally had to pull a kid
off of my plane one time as he was bashing the side stringer trying to
get his legs over the longeron
by the cockpit. The mother said 'oh Johnny, why don't you come over
here and we'll go get you some
ice cream. You takes the good with the bad at a flying event.
(just don't stray too far from your airplane
and remember to do a more than adequate pre flight.)
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Re: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit
I can't wait for my turn to come to enjoy one of the unidentified joys of sharing
my project with the world.
We just passed our 35 wedding anniversary, time sure has a way of evaporating.
My wife dispises small aircraft she dislikes flying in any form unless it is a
necessary evil to a vacation destination. She has little regard for my Piet and
at times resents my discussing it with others who ask about the progress.
That being the case I doubt she will ever look at it let alone fly with me. The
entire topic has been the source of many unpleasent evenings.
I have resigned myself to the realization that the front pit will be reserved to
curious invitees capable of appreciating the experience and my travel gear.
I do intend to fly off into the sunset with my course set for a new and exciting
adventure at each new destination but never loosing sight of the rewards gained
through the journey.
John
NX895BP reserved
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:01:12
To:
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit
Mike
You are so right about watching every constantly. I was parked on the grass at
a fly in last fall and found a heavy old guy using my elevator as a back rest
like it was a lawn chair.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:34 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit
Great photos of you and your wife Jack and hats off to her for going along with
you to the weekend
event at the Udvar-Hazy National Air & Space Museum !
Letting kids sit in the cockpit is extremely gratifying when you see them light
up as you let them
move the controls and point out how the ailerons work like (as I like to explain)
how you lean your
bicycle over when you make turns. This Mennonite familyat the Indianapolis air
show was just one
example. That one visit made my entire trip totally worthwhile. Those kids were
thrilled.
Mike C.
PS-- then again you have to watch out for the unruly brats who have ignorant, hands-off
parents who
try to climb up the side of your fuselage side kicking and grappling for entry.
I literally had to pull a kid
off of my plane one time as he was bashing the side stringer trying to get his
legs over the longeron
by the cockpit. The mother said 'oh Johnny, why don't you come over here and we'll
go get you some
ice cream. You takes the good with the bad at a flying event. (just don't stray
too far from your airplane
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
From:
Pastor M F Townsley <miket(at)southslope.net>
Subject:
a little off topic
Click on the link below.... 1920-30's movie
Movie shows a Steam car and then about half way into the movie a Steam
powered biplane (That flew), and at the end of the movie shows the steam
powered plane reversing it's prop to push the plane backwards...very unique
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPEv_M7p4fA
Enjoy,
Pastor Mike in Iowa
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com>
Subject:
a little off topic
Date:
Jun 18, 2008
Pretty cool. I did some searching and found this very interresting article.
http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/TRANSPORT/steamplane/steamplane.htm
Some of the interresting facts are:
180 pound engine at 150 HP (don't know if that includes the boiler,
condenser, etc.)
condensor reclaiming over 90% of the water from the used steam
400 mile range on only 10 gallons of water and more capable
no power loss and efficiency gains with increased altitude
One of the reasons for the plane at the time was the lower cost of fuel oil
compared to gas. Hmmm, is it time for steam power to come back? A Doble
steam engine in my truck running on low cost propane, coal, wood? A wood
burning steam engine in a Piet? Now that would get you some attention at
Oshkosh!
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pastor M
F Townsley
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
Click on the link below.... 1920-30's movie
Movie shows a Steam car and then about half way into the movie a Steam
powered biplane (That flew), and at the end of the movie shows the steam
powered plane reversing it's prop to push the plane backwards...very unique
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPEv_M7p4fA
Enjoy,
Pastor Mike in Iowa
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 17, 2008
From:
Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject:
Re: Axle
Thanks guys. For some reason getting it off
those yellow plastic milk carriers just seems
like such a big milestone right about now.
Probably not much is going to happen this
weekend though. The street behind my house
is a main business thoroughfare and big Greek
community. This weekend is "Greekday". The
street is cordened off for blocks, many barby's
going and smoking, noisy crowds, no parking,
etc, etc. Can't even get to Starbucks! A good
time to be somewhere else. :-)
Clif
Mine are the same as Jack's.
Dick N.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject:
Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling
Date:
Jun 18, 2008
Mike,
I now know who is who. If I see either of you at a future aviation event
I'll introduce myself. Are you planning to attend Brodhead? If so, I'll see
you there. But I'll warn you, once you go, you'll keep going back, year
after year.
I would think that building a wing, installing an engine, building a cowling
and recovering and painting basically the entire plane should easily satisfy
your need to feel like you were a significant part of the construction
process.
And if Dan smiles a lot now, imagine how much he'll be smiling when you guys
get to take to the skies in your Piet.
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject:
Re: a little off topic
Date:
Jun 18, 2008
what the Besler article does not say is that the airplane is a Travel
Air 2000. That engine isin the Smithsonian now.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Kraut<mailto:brian.kraut(at)engalt.com>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:28 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
>
Pretty cool. I did some searching and found this very interresting
article.
http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/TRANSPORT/steamplane/steamplane.htm
<http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/TRANSPORT/steamplane/steamplane.ht
m>
Some of the interresting facts are:
180 pound engine at 150 HP (don't know if that includes the boiler,
condenser, etc.)
condensor reclaiming over 90% of the water from the used steam
400 mile range on only 10 gallons of water and more capable
no power loss and efficiency gains with increased altitude
One of the reasons for the plane at the time was the lower cost of
fuel oil
compared to gas. Hmmm, is it time for steam power to come back? A
Doble
steam engine in my truck running on low cost propane, coal, wood? A
wood
burning steam engine in a Piet? Now that would get you some attention
at
Oshkosh!
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com<http://www.engalt.com/>
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pastor
M
F Townsley
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:29 PM
To: Pietenpol Matronics Forum;
Flitzer-Builders(at)yahoogroups.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
>
Click on the link below.... 1920-30's movie
Movie shows a Steam car and then about half way into the movie a Steam
powered biplane (That flew), and at the end of the movie shows the
steam
powered plane reversing it's prop to push the plane backwards...very
unique
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPEv_M7p4fA
?v=UPEv_M7p4fA>
Enjoy,
Pastor Mike in Iowa
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
on>
________________________________________________________________________________
When you guys go to the Kansas Aviation Museum, take some time to check out
the "engine room" at the museum -- they do have a flying steam engine on
display.
Say "hi" to Chuck for me -- I'm going to be in Manhattan, KS this weekend
(can you say "kids moving to a new teaching job"??! ;-)
Cheers!
Mike (the other ) C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 06/18/08
Date:
Jun 19, 2008
From:
tbyh(at)aol.com
Wonder if I could get my hands on plans for the Besler engine -- then you all could
see Beseler's Besler-powered Pietenpol when it makes it to Brodhead someday.
Let's see, flying from La Crosse I could stop in Viroqua, Lancaster and Platteville
on my way to Brodhead to top off the water and fuel oil/coal/wood.?
Can't you just see the "co-pilot" shoveling coal like on a steam locomotive! And
I bet you could hear the steam whistle for miles and miles around when blown
at 3000 feet or so...FBOs would have to start carrying Kingsford charcoal...lol
Fred Beseler
La Crosse, WI ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Pietenpol-List Digest Server <pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 1:56 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 06/18/08
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1. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling (Bill
Church)
2. 04:34 PM - Re: a little off topic (Gene Rambo)
3. 04:52 PM - Re: a little off topic (Jeff Boatright)
4. 08:33 PM - Re: a little off topic (Michael Conkling)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling
Mike,
I now know who is who. If I see either of you at a future aviation event
I'll introduce myself. Are you planning to attend Brodhead? If so, I'll see
you there. But I'll warn you, once you go, you'll keep going back, year
after year.
I would think that building a wing, installing an engine, building a cowling
and recovering and painting basically the entire plane should easily satisfy
your need to feel like you were a significant part of the construction
process.
And if Dan smiles a lot now, imagine how much he'll be smiling when you guys
get to take to the skies in your Piet.
Bill
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
what the Besler article does not say is that the airplane is a Travel
Air 2000. That engine isin the Smithsonian now.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Kraut<mailto:brian.kraut(at)engalt.com>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:28 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
>
Pretty cool. I did some searching and found this very interresting
article.
http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/TRANSPORT/steamplane/steamplane.htm
<http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/TRANSPORT/steamplane/steamplane.ht
m>
Some of the interresting facts are:
180 pound engine at 150 HP (don't know if that includes the boiler,
condenser, etc.)
condensor reclaiming over 90% of the water from the used steam
400 mile range on only 10 gallons of water and more capable
no power loss and efficiency gains with increased altitude
One of the reasons for the plane at the time was the lower cost of
fuel oil
compared to gas. Hmmm, is it time for steam power to come back? A
Doble
steam engine in my truck running on low cost propane, coal, wood? A
wood
burning steam engine in a Piet? Now that would get you some attention
at
Oshkosh!
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com<http://www.engalt.com/>
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pastor
M
F Townsley
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:29 PM
To: Pietenpol Matronics Forum;
Flitzer-Builders(at)yahoogroups.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
>
Click on the link below.... 1920-30's movie
Movie shows a Steam car and then about half way into the movie a Steam
powered biplane (That flew), and at the end of the movie shows the
steam
powered plane reversing it's prop to push the plane backwards...very
unique
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPEv_M7p4fA
?v=UPEv_M7p4fA>
Enjoy,
Pastor Mike in Iowa
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
on>
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
If I recall, if you read all the information that's out there, the
engine itself if fairly light, but the entire rig was something like
600 lbs. It's analogous to the liquid-cooled engines when the
salespeople don't include the weight of the coolant, radiator,
plumbing, etc. Will it fly without all that stuff? No? Then...
>what the Besler article does not say is that the airplane is a
>Travel Air 2000. That engine isin the Smithsonian now.
>
>Gene
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:brian.kraut(at)engalt.com>Brian Kraut
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:28 AM
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
>
><brian.kraut(at)engalt.com>
>
>Pretty cool. I did some searching and found this very interresting article.
>
><http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/TRANSPORT/steamplane/steamplane.htm>http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/TRANSPORT/steamplane/steamplane.htm
>
>Some of the interresting facts are:
>
>180 pound engine at 150 HP (don't know if that includes the boiler,
>condenser, etc.)
>condensor reclaiming over 90% of the water from the used steam
>400 mile range on only 10 gallons of water and more capable
>no power loss and efficiency gains with increased altitude
>
>One of the reasons for the plane at the time was the lower cost of fuel oil
>compared to gas. Hmmm, is it time for steam power to come back? A Doble
>steam engine in my truck running on low cost propane, coal, wood? A wood
>burning steam engine in a Piet? Now that would get you some attention at
>Oshkosh!
>
>
>Brian Kraut
>Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
><http://www.engalt.com>www.engalt.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:
>owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pastor M
>F Townsley
>Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:29 PM
>To: Pietenpol Matronics Forum;
>Flitzer-Builders(at)yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
>
>
><miket(at)southslope.net>
>
>Click on the link below.... 1920-30's movie
>Movie shows a Steam car and then about half way into the movie a Steam
>powered biplane (That flew), and at the end of the movie shows the steam
>powered plane reversing it's prop to push the plane backwards...very unique
>
><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPEv_M7p4fA>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPEv_M7p4fA
>
>Enjoy,
>Pastor Mike in ========================http://www.matp; via the
>Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/
>href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c===============
>
>
><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
><http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
From: "Michael Conkling" <hpvs(at)southwind.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
When you guys go to the Kansas Aviation Museum, take some time to check out
the "engine room" at the museum -- they do have a flying steam engine on
display.
Say "hi" to Chuck for me -- I'm going to be in Manhattan, KS this weekend
(can you say "kids moving to a new teaching job"??! ;-)
Cheers!
Mike (the other ) C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Date:
Jun 19, 2008
Subject:
Re: a little off topic
The other Mike C: High Mike. Unfortunately the museum part of the
building lies beyond the conference room and is closed to the public at
that hour of the eve. (7:30 pm ) Leon S. Nickerson Ks.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 19, 2008
From:
Pastor M F Townsley <miket(at)southslope.net>
Subject:
Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 06/18/08
Fred,
I like That!!! Go man Go!
Pastor Mike near Cedar Rapids Iowa
tbyh(at)aol.com wrote:
> Wonder if I could get my hands on plans for the Besler engine -- then
> you all could see Beseler's Besler-powered Pietenpol when it makes it
> to Brodhead someday. Let's see, flying from La Crosse I could stop in
> Viroqua, Lancaster and Platteville on my way to Brodhead to top off
> the water and fuel oil/coal/wood. Can't you just see the "co-pilot"
> shoveling coal like on a steam locomotive! And I bet you could hear
> the steam whistle for miles and miles around when blown at 3000 feet
> or so...FBOs would have to start carrying Kingsford charcoal...lol
>
> Fred Beseler
> La Crosse, WI
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pietenpol-List Digest Server <pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>
> To: Pietenpol-List Digest List
> Sent: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 1:56 am
> Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 06/18/08
>
> *
>
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> =================================================
>
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> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
>
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>
>
> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling (Bill
> Church)
> 2. 04:34 PM - Re: a little off topic (Gene Rambo)
> 3. 04:52 PM - Re: a little off topic (Jeff Boatright)
> 4. 08:33 PM - Re: a little off topic (Michael Conkling)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com <mailto:eng(at)canadianrogers.com>>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling
>
> Mike,
>
> I now know who is who. If I see either of you at a future aviation event
> I'll introduce myself. Are you planning to attend Brodhead? If so, I'll see
> you there. But I'll warn you, once you go, you'll keep going back, year
> after year.
>
> I would think that building a wing, installing an engine, building a cowling
> and recovering and painting basically the entire plane should easily satisfy
> your need to feel like you were a significant part of the construction
> process.
>
> And if Dan smiles a lot now, imagine how much he'll be smiling when you guys
> get to take to the skies in your Piet.
>
> Bill
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com <mailto:generambo(at)msn.com>>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
>
> what the Besler article does not say is that the airplane is a Travel
> Air 2000. That engine isin the Smithsonian now.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Kraut<mailto:brian.kraut(at)engalt.com <mailto:brian.kraut(at)engalt.com?>>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:28 AM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
>
>
> >>
>
> Pretty cool. I did some searching and found this very interresting
> article.
>
>
> http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/TRANSPORT/steamplane/steamplane.htm
> <http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/TRANSPORT/steamplane/steamplane.ht
> m>
>
> Some of the interresting facts are:
>
> 180 pound engine at 150 HP (don't know if that includes the boiler,
> condenser, etc.)
> condensor reclaiming over 90% of the water from the used steam
> 400 mile range on only 10 gallons of water and more capable
> no power loss and efficiency gains with increased altitude
>
> One of the reasons for the plane at the time was the lower cost of
> fuel oil
> compared to gas. Hmmm, is it time for steam power to come back? A
> Doble
> steam engine in my truck running on low cost propane, coal, wood? A
> wood
> burning steam engine in a Piet? Now that would get you some attention
> at
> Oshkosh!
>
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com<http://www.engalt.com/>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ver(at)matronics.com >
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pastor
> M
> F Townsley
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:29 PM
> To: Pietenpol Matronics Forum;
> Flitzer-Builders(at)yahoogroups.com >
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
>
>
> >>
>
> Click on the link below.... 1920-30's movie
> Movie shows a Steam car and then about half way into the movie a Steam
> powered biplane (That flew), and at the end of the movie shows the
> steam
> powered plane reversing it's prop to push the plane backwards...very
> unique
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPEv_M7p4fA
> ?v=UPEv_M7p4fA>
>
> Enjoy,
> Pastor Mike in Iowa
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> on>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu <mailto:jboatri(at)emory.edu>>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
>
> If I recall, if you read all the information that's out there, the
> engine itself if fairly light, but the entire rig was something like
> 600 lbs. It's analogous to the liquid-cooled engines when the
> salespeople don't include the weight of the coolant, radiator,
> plumbing, etc. Will it fly without all that stuff? No? Then...
>
> >what the Besler article does not say is that the airplane is a
> >Travel Air 2000. That engine isin the Smithsonian now.
> >
> >Gene
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <mailto:brian.kraut(at)engalt.com>Brian <mailto:brian.kraut(at)engalt.com%3EBrian?> Kraut
> >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com matronics.com%3Epietenpol-list@matronics.com?>
> >Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:28 AM
> >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
> >
> ><brian.kraut(at)engalt.com engalt.com%3Ebrian.kraut@engalt.com?>>
> >
> >Pretty cool. I did some searching and found this very interresting article.
> >
> ><http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/TRANSPORT/steamplane/steamplane.htm>http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/TRANSPORT/steamplane/steamplane.htm
> >
> >Some of the interresting facts are:
> >
> >180 pound engine at 150 HP (don't know if that includes the boiler,
> >condenser, etc.)
> >condensor reclaiming over 90% of the water from the used steam
> >400 mile range on only 10 gallons of water and more capable
> >no power loss and efficiency gains with increased altitude
> >
> >One of the reasons for the plane at the time was the lower cost of fuel oil
> >compared to gas. Hmmm, is it time for steam power to come back? A Doble
> >steam engine in my truck running on low cost propane, coal, wood? A wood
> >burning steam engine in a Piet? Now that would get you some attention at
> >Oshkosh!
> >
> >
> >Brian Kraut
> >Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> ><http://www.engalt.com>www.engalt.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From:
> >owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com matronics.com%3Eowner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com?>
> >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pastor M
> >F Townsley
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:29 PM
> >To: Pietenpol Matronics Forum;
> >Flitzer-Builders(at)yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com%3EFlitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com?>
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
> >
> >
> ><miket(at)southslope.net southslope.net%3Emiket@southslope.net?>>
> >
> >Click on the link below.... 1920-30's movie
> >Movie shows a Steam car and then about half way into the movie a Steam
> >powered biplane (That flew), and at the end of the movie shows the steam
> >powered plane reversing it's prop to push the plane backwards...very unique
> >
> ><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPEv_M7p4fA>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPEv_M7p4fA
> >
> >Enjoy,
> >Pastor Mike in ========================http://www.matp; via the
> >Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/
> >href="http://forums.matronics.com ">http://forums.matronics.com
> >title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c===============
> >
> >
> ><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> ><http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> --
> ---
>
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
> Editor-in-Chief
> Molecular Vision
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Michael Conkling" <hpvs(at)southwind.net <mailto:hpvs(at)southwind.net>>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
>
> When you guys go to the Kansas Aviation Museum, take some time to check out
> the "engine room" at the museum -- they do have a flying steam engine on
> display.
>
> Say "hi" to Chuck for me -- I'm going to be in Manhattan, KS this weekend
> (can you say "kids moving to a new teaching job"??! ;-)
>
> Cheers!
> Mike (the other ) C.
> Pretty Prairie, KS
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject:
Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 06/18/08
From:
outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
Date:
Jun 19, 2008
What about a rain collector so you could extend your range should you happen to
encounter a shower light enough to pass your Piet through?
Jeremy in Dallas
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
-----Original Message-----
From: Pastor M F Townsley <miket(at)southslope.net>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:29:56
To:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 06/18/08
Fred,
I like That!!! Go man Go!
Pastor Mike near Cedar Rapids Iowa
tbyh(at)aol.com wrote:
> Wonder if I could get my hands on plans for the Besler engine -- then
> you all could see Beseler's Besler-powered Pietenpol when it makes it
> to Brodhead someday. Let's see, flying from La Crosse I could stop in
> Viroqua, Lancaster and Platteville on my way to Brodhead to top off
> the water and fuel oil/coal/wood. Can't you just see the "co-pilot"
> shoveling coal like on a steam locomotive! And I bet you could hear
> the steam whistle for miles and miles around when blown at 3000 feet
> or so...FBOs would have to start carrying Kingsford charcoal...lol
>
> Fred Beseler
> La Crosse, WI
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pietenpol-List Digest Server <pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>
> To: Pietenpol-List Digest List
> Sent: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 1:56 am
> Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 06/18/08
>
> *
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> ----------------------
>
> 1. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling (Bill
> Church)
> 2. 04:34 PM - Re: a little off topic (Gene Rambo)
> 3. 04:52 PM - Re: a little off topic (Jeff Boatright)
> 4. 08:33 PM - Re: a little off topic (Michael Conkling)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com <mailto:eng(at)canadianrogers.com>>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling
>
> Mike,
>
> I now know who is who. If I see either of you at a future aviation event
> I'll introduce myself. Are you planning to attend Brodhead? If so, I'll see
> you there. But I'll warn you, once you go, you'll keep going back, year
> after year.
>
> I would think that building a wing, installing an engine, building a cowling
> and recovering and painting basically the entire plane should easily satisfy
> your need to feel like you were a significant part of the construction
> process.
>
> And if Dan smiles a lot now, imagine how much he'll be smiling when you guys
> get to take to the skies in your Piet.
>
> Bill
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com <mailto:generambo(at)msn.com>>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
>
> what the Besler article does not say is that the airplane is a Travel
> Air 2000. That engine isin the Smithsonian now.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Kraut<mailto:brian.kraut(at)engalt.com <mailto:brian.kraut(at)engalt.com?>>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:28 AM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
>
>
> >>
>
> Pretty cool. I did some searching and found this very interresting
> article.
>
>
> http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/TRANSPORT/steamplane/steamplane.htm
> <http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/TRANSPORT/steamplane/steamplane.ht
> m>
>
> Some of the interresting facts are:
>
> 180 pound engine at 150 HP (don't know if that includes the boiler,
> condenser, etc.)
> condensor reclaiming over 90% of the water from the used steam
> 400 mile range on only 10 gallons of water and more capable
> no power loss and efficiency gains with increased altitude
>
> One of the reasons for the plane at the time was the lower cost of
> fuel oil
> compared to gas. Hmmm, is it time for steam power to come back? A
> Doble
> steam engine in my truck running on low cost propane, coal, wood? A
> wood
> burning steam engine in a Piet? Now that would get you some attention
> at
> Oshkosh!
>
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com<http://www.engalt.com/>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ver(at)matronics.com >
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pastor
> M
> F Townsley
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:29 PM
> To: Pietenpol Matronics Forum;
> Flitzer-Builders(at)yahoogroups.com >
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
>
>
> >>
>
> Click on the link below.... 1920-30's movie
> Movie shows a Steam car and then about half way into the movie a Steam
> powered biplane (That flew), and at the end of the movie shows the
> steam
> powered plane reversing it's prop to push the plane backwards...very
> unique
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPEv_M7p4fA
> ?v=UPEv_M7p4fA>
>
> Enjoy,
> Pastor Mike in Iowa
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> on>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu <mailto:jboatri(at)emory.edu>>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
>
> If I recall, if you read all the information that's out there, the
> engine itself if fairly light, but the entire rig was something like
> 600 lbs. It's analogous to the liquid-cooled engines when the
> salespeople don't include the weight of the coolant, radiator,
> plumbing, etc. Will it fly without all that stuff? No? Then...
>
> >what the Besler article does not say is that the airplane is a
> >Travel Air 2000. That engine isin the Smithsonian now.
> >
> >Gene
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <mailto:brian.kraut(at)engalt.com>Brian <mailto:brian.kraut(at)engalt.com%3EBrian?> Kraut
> >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com matronics.com%3Epietenpol-list@matronics.com?>
> >Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:28 AM
> >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
> >
> ><brian.kraut(at)engalt.com engalt.com%3Ebrian.kraut@engalt.com?>>
> >
> >Pretty cool. I did some searching and found this very interresting article.
> >
> ><http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/TRANSPORT/steamplane/steamplane.htm>http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/TRANSPORT/steamplane/steamplane.htm
> >
> >Some of the interresting facts are:
> >
> >180 pound engine at 150 HP (don't know if that includes the boiler,
> >condenser, etc.)
> >condensor reclaiming over 90% of the water from the used steam
> >400 mile range on only 10 gallons of water and more capable
> >no power loss and efficiency gains with increased altitude
> >
> >One of the reasons for the plane at the time was the lower cost of fuel oil
> >compared to gas. Hmmm, is it time for steam power to come back? A Doble
> >steam engine in my truck running on low cost propane, coal, wood? A wood
> >burning steam engine in a Piet? Now that would get you some attention at
> >Oshkosh!
> >
> >
> >Brian Kraut
> >Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> ><http://www.engalt.com>www.engalt.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From:
> >owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com matronics.com%3Eowner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com?>
> >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pastor M
> >F Townsley
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:29 PM
> >To: Pietenpol Matronics Forum;
> >Flitzer-Builders(at)yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com%3EFlitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com?>
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
> >
> >
> ><miket(at)southslope.net southslope.net%3Emiket@southslope.net?>>
> >
> >Click on the link below.... 1920-30's movie
> >Movie shows a Steam car and then about half way into the movie a Steam
> >powered biplane (That flew), and at the end of the movie shows the steam
> >powered plane reversing it's prop to push the plane backwards...very unique
> >
> ><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPEv_M7p4fA>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPEv_M7p4fA
> >
> >Enjoy,
> >Pastor Mike in ========================http://www.matp; via the
> >Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/
> >href="http://forums.matronics.com ">http://forums.matronics.com
> >title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c===============
> >
> >
> ><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> ><http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> --
> ---
>
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
> Editor-in-Chief
> Molecular Vision
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Michael Conkling" <hpvs(at)southwind.net <mailto:hpvs(at)southwind.net>>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
>
> When you guys go to the Kansas Aviation Museum, take some time to check out
> the "engine room" at the museum -- they do have a flying steam engine on
> display.
>
> Say "hi" to Chuck for me -- I'm going to be in Manhattan, KS this weekend
> (can you say "kids moving to a new teaching job"??! ;-)
>
> Cheers!
> Mike (the other ) C.
> Pretty Prairie, KS
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From:
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Date:
Jun 20, 2008
Subject:
cremated remains(ashes)
For those of you who don't know, there are no ashes left when a cremation
has taken place. when the gas furnace is opened only bones are left. The bones
are put into a machine looking like a blender and ground to a fine powder.That
is what you call the ashes. You will be surprised at the weight of the bones
in a urn if you think you are picking up ashes.
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Subject:
More on N28LT
From:
"MikeD" <mjdt(at)auracom.com>
Date:
Jun 20, 2008
Well, I've been digging and scratching and after tracking and snooping, evidence
points to Randy Bruce as the most likely culprit for that cowling.
Does anyone know Randy Bruce and his current whereabouts, or have contact info?
Nothing showed up on the FAA database pilot search, I am not sure what else to
try at this point. I'd love to contact him.
Thx!
--------
Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188768#188768
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From:
"Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject:
Re: cremated remains(ashes)
Date:
Jun 20, 2008
whaaaaatttttt????
----- Original Message -----
From: TGSTONE236(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 11:00 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cremated remains(ashes)
For those of you who don't know, there are no ashes left when a
cremation has taken place. when the gas furnace is opened only bones are
left. The bones are put into a machine looking like a blender and ground
to a fine powder.That is what you call the ashes. You will be surprised
at the weight of the bones in a urn if you think you are picking up
ashes.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 20, 2008
From:
"walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject:
Re: cremated remains(ashes)
Man, That sure is off topic. :^)
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"Let's Legalize Freedom"
----- Original Message -----
From: TGSTONE236(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cremated remains(ashes)
For those of you who don't know, there are no ashes left when a
cremation has taken place. when the gas furnace is opened only bones are
left. The bones are put into a machine looking like a blender and ground
to a fine powder.That is what you call the ashes. You will be surprised
at the weight of the bones in a urn if you think you are picking up
ashes.
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What prompted this? And what does it have to do with Pietenpols?
Jack Phillips
Scratching my head over this one...
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
TGSTONE236(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cremated remains(ashes)
For those of you who don't know, there are no ashes left when a
cremation has taken place. when the gas furnace is opened only bones are
left. The bones are put into a machine looking like a blender and ground
to a fine powder.That is what you call the ashes. You will be surprised
at the weight of the bones in a urn if you think you are picking up
ashes.
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From:
"Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject:
cremated remains(ashes)
Date:
Jun 20, 2008
I think it was accidentally brought over from the Corvair group..has to do
with a corvair powered KR2 and a deceased friend.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage
(10 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips,
Jack
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cremated remains(ashes)
What prompted this? And what does it have to do with Pietenpols?
Jack Phillips
Scratching my head over this one.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
TGSTONE236(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cremated remains(ashes)
For those of you who don't know, there are no ashes left when a cremation
has taken place. when the gas furnace is opened only bones are left. The
bones are put into a machine looking like a blender and ground to a fine
powder.That is what you call the ashes. You will be surprised at the weight
of the bones in a urn if you think you are picking up ashes.
_____
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<http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007> .
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From:
"Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date:
Jun 20, 2008
Subject:
Re: cremated remains(ashes)
OK I will tie it to Airplanes and then to Piets. Some friends were tasked with
spreading the ashes (Bones?) of a farmer over his ranch in the Texas Panhandle.
When they got over the farm in a Cessna they opened the window and held the
urn outside. When they took the lid off the contents swirled into the window and
got in their eyes, hair and over everything. I guess some of it went out the
window. They flew back to the airport, vacuumed him up and went up and did it
again, holding the urn further out and back. It worked this time but I bet some
of him is still in that plane.
So If you are asked dump ashes from your open cockpit plane (IE a Piet.) you need
to make sure that you get them far enough out.
Blue Skies
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
Date: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:10
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cremated remains(ashes)
> What prompted this? And what does it have to do with Pietenpols?
>
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> Scratching my head over this one...
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> TGSTONE236(at)aol.com
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:00 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: cremated remains(ashes)
>
>
>
> For those of you who don't know, there are no ashes left when a
> cremation has taken place. when the gas furnace is opened only
> bones are
> left. The bones are put into a machine looking like a blender and
> groundto a fine powder.That is what you call the ashes. You will
> be surprised
> at the weight of the bones in a urn if you think you are picking up
> ashes.
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used
> cars <http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007> .
>
>
>
>
>
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Jack, speaking of ashes, my plans for flying to Broadhead have been turned
into ashes. I'm still on the West Coast
trip on my motorcycle and my other half is saying "enough is enough!" I'm
still trying tho. Told her I would take her
on a mimi vacation when I get back, just didn't mention it would be in
Southern Wisconsin.. Still hope to see you
there.
Gene from Tennessee in Seattle
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Phillips, Jack Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:56:21 -0400
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cremated remains(ashes)
What prompted this? And what does it have to do with Pietenpols?
Jack Phillips
Scratching my head over this one...
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
TGSTONE236(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cremated remains(ashes)
For those of you who don't know, there are no ashes left when a
cremation has taken place. when the gas furnace is opened only bones are
left. The bones are put into a machine looking like a blender and ground
to a fine powder.That is what you call the ashes. You will be surprised
at the weight of the bones in a urn if you think you are picking up
ashes.
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From:
"Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject:
Re: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit
Date:
Jun 20, 2008
John
A few days have passed since your post with no comments from anyone. You
might know this might be a touchey subject with some. My wife has ridden
with me a couple of times but she likes her horses.
One of the guys commented the other night after flying, while sitting around
the hangar, how nice it is to have a place to go where the wife won't
follow.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the
cockpit
I can't wait for my turn to come to enjoy one of the unidentified joys of
sharing my project with the world.
We just passed our 35 wedding anniversary, time sure has a way of
evaporating. My wife dispises small aircraft she dislikes flying in any form
unless it is a necessary evil to a vacation destination. She has little
regard for my Piet and at times resents my discussing it with others who ask
about the progress.
That being the case I doubt she will ever look at it let alone fly with me.
The entire topic has been the source of many unpleasent evenings.
I have resigned myself to the realization that the front pit will be
reserved to curious invitees capable of appreciating the experience and my
travel gear. I do intend to fly off into the sunset with my course set for a
new and exciting adventure at each new destination but never loosing sight
of the rewards gained through the journey.
John
NX895BP reserved
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:01:12
To:
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the
cockpit
Mike
You are so right about watching every constantly. I was parked on the grass
at a fly in last fall and found a heavy old guy using my elevator as a back
rest like it was a lawn chair.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:34 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit
Great photos of you and your wife Jack and hats off to her for going along
with you to the weekend
event at the Udvar-Hazy National Air & Space Museum !
Letting kids sit in the cockpit is extremely gratifying when you see them
light up as you let them
move the controls and point out how the ailerons work like (as I like to
explain) how you lean your
bicycle over when you make turns. This Mennonite family at the Indianapolis
air show was just one
example. That one visit made my entire trip totally worthwhile. Those kids
were thrilled.
Mike C.
PS-- then again you have to watch out for the unruly brats who have
ignorant, hands-off parents who
try to climb up the side of your fuselage side kicking and grappling for
entry. I literally had to pull a kid
off of my plane one time as he was bashing the side stringer trying to get
his legs over the longeron
by the cockpit. The mother said 'oh Johnny, why don't you come over here and
we'll go get you some
ice cream. You takes the good with the bad at a flying event. (just don't
stray too far from your airplane
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Re: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit
Certainly a valuable comment, we all need a clubhouse of sorts. I can't wait to
get mine.
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:45:21
To:
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit
John
A few days have passed since your post with no comments from anyone. You
might know this might be a touchey subject with some. My wife has ridden
with me a couple of times but she likes her horses.
One of the guys commented the other night after flying, while sitting around
the hangar, how nice it is to have a place to go where the wife won't
follow.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the
cockpit
I can't wait for my turn to come to enjoy one of the unidentified joys of
sharing my project with the world.
We just passed our 35 wedding anniversary, time sure has a way of
evaporating. My wife dispises small aircraft she dislikes flying in any form
unless it is a necessary evil to a vacation destination. She has little
regard for my Piet and at times resents my discussing it with others who ask
about the progress.
That being the case I doubt she will ever look at it let alone fly with me.
The entire topic has been the source of many unpleasent evenings.
I have resigned myself to the realization that the front pit will be
reserved to curious invitees capable of appreciating the experience and my
travel gear. I do intend to fly off into the sunset with my course set for a
new and exciting adventure at each new destination but never loosing sight
of the rewards gained through the journey.
John
NX895BP reserved
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:01:12
To:
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the
cockpit
Mike
You are so right about watching every constantly. I was parked on the grass
at a fly in last fall and found a heavy old guy using my elevator as a back
rest like it was a lawn chair.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:34 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit
Great photos of you and your wife Jack and hats off to her for going along
with you to the weekend
event at the Udvar-Hazy National Air & Space Museum !
Letting kids sit in the cockpit is extremely gratifying when you see them
light up as you let them
move the controls and point out how the ailerons work like (as I like to
explain) how you lean your
bicycle over when you make turns. This Mennonite family at the Indianapolis
air show was just one
example. That one visit made my entire trip totally worthwhile. Those kids
were thrilled.
Mike C.
PS-- then again you have to watch out for the unruly brats who have
ignorant, hands-off parents who
try to climb up the side of your fuselage side kicking and grappling for
entry. I literally had to pull a kid
off of my plane one time as he was bashing the side stringer trying to get
his legs over the longeron
by the cockpit. The mother said 'oh Johnny, why don't you come over here and
we'll go get you some
ice cream. You takes the good with the bad at a flying event. (just don't
stray too far from your airplane
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com
Date:
Jun 21, 2008
Subject:
Re: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit
John, I read the post too, and wasn't sure I wanted to admit my wife is same
as yours. Only difference is I'm building a Mustang II. She shows no
interest in the project, and even though I tried to express to her the time and
money we had to contribute to build the plane, and she agreed to it, I find now
she's not OK with it. But what do you do when you're thousands of dollars into
something. Can't stop now, cause I'll never recoup the money I have in it if
I sell it in pieces. I'd be lucky if I sold a flying plane, never mind parts
of a plane!
But, maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel. We have three young
children, and my hope is that they will have an interest in flying. We'll
just leave mom at home and off to the beach we go!
Boyce
N920BS reserved
Mustang II
**************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 21, 2008
From:
Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject:
Spousal support (long) / was flying spouse and letting
kids sit in the cockpit
Nobody in either my extended family or my wife's extended family flies or has flown.
It's something I wanted to do, so I did it (against the very vocalized fears
of my parents at the time, by the way). Having family that understands it
helps.
I met my wife long after I was rated. She knew flying came as part of the package
and has never discouraged my flying (my mother, on the other hand, still thinks
I'm partially suicidal, even 20+ years later). The number of times she's
been in a plane with me I think I can count on one hand. She actually prefers
gliders over power planes, mostly because of the lack of noise. I've also give
rides to my father and my brother, but never my mother or sisters, at least yet.
My experience with the attitude of the non-flying (spouse, stranger or whoever)
towards flying is that it's all about familiarity. The media and the movies have
done boatloads of disservice to flying by playing on people's fears to make
a quick buck. I recall an accident (a crash, one plane, IIRC) at a non-controlled
field. The widely-circulated local paper wrote up a less than factual article,
including a totally irrelevant statement that there was no ATC at the field.
Several people came to me in shocked disbelief about how awful it was there
was no controller on site, which was an echo of the tone of the article. I
asked them how they managed to live while operating their cars at intersections
with only stop signs, then explained there are commonly-understood procedures
for uncontrolled fields, just like at those intersections. I've iterated similar
circumstances countless times with slightly varying themes, and the lights
usually go on after a reasonable explanation. I resent having to 'undo' the
ignorant fear these people have propagated, but I do it. On the other side of
the fence, rarely does anybody report or make movies about the emergency landings
and procedures that don't end in fire, death, or major property damage. Granted,
I've never reported the emergencies I've had, but even if it does get
reported, it just doesn't sell. Nobody cares that my carburetor had problems and
I made a dead-stick landing at an airport, fixed the problem, and flew out.
I hate to say it, but some pilots propagate this ignorance, too. They seem to like
the image the ignorant have of the pilot being some kind of mystic daredevil
(You're a ...... PILOT?!?, Wow!), and taking the mystique out of it might risk
them being reduced to mere mortal status. I prefer to think of myself as one
who's been priveleged with the resources to allow me to fly, has assessed the
risks versus the rewards, and made the commitment. I guess I don't see it as
a Wow! kinda thing, just something I enjoy doing while others are out maybe
boating or motorcycling.
People don't understand we've been trained to assess the risks and make decisions
in emergency situations, because they've rarely, if ever, done it for themselves.
I live near the top of a hill. My road comes to a T at the bottom, so in
the winter if the road is icy, there's a chance of not being able to stop and
going into oncoming traffic. I've told my wife I'd rather she controllably put
the car in the ditch (or bounce off the snow-bank) on the right side, rather
than getting t-boned on the highway (I had to do it for the first time once
last winter). This has given her a better concept of situational awareness than
she had before. I wish they required this kind of stuff to get a driver's license,
but that wouldn't fly with the politicians.
My wife used to be a white-knuckle passenger. When I met her, she had been on a
total of two commercial flights (one trip), and never in a small plane. I'd flown
for several years at that point, and had probably averaged anywhere from
2 to maybe 12 commercial trips a year for either business or pleasure. Now she
averages a couple commercial trips a year and has learned to sleep on them. Same
thing with her sister (who's first commercial flight was a couple days before
9/11, and ended up driving home when the airspace was shut down and a mess).
She's on a plane for a trip from NY to Yellowstone as I write. And she sleeps
on the plane now. The ignorance and fear are gone.
My wife will never be one to learn to fly herself, but her understanding of it
makes it easier for her to be supportive, and allows her to participate in it
with me with minimal stress.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com
>Sent: Jun 21, 2008 7:57 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit
>
>John, I read the post too, and wasn't sure I wanted to admit my wife is same
>as yours. Only difference is I'm building a Mustang II. She shows no
>interest in the project, and even though I tried to express to her the time and
>money we had to contribute to build the plane, and she agreed to it, I find now
>she's not OK with it. But what do you do when you're thousands of dollars into
>something. Can't stop now, cause I'll never recoup the money I have in it if
>I sell it in pieces. I'd be lucky if I sold a flying plane, never mind parts
>of a plane!
> But, maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel. We have three young
>children, and my hope is that they will have an interest in flying. We'll
>just leave mom at home and off to the beach we go!
>Boyce
>N920BS reserved
>Mustang II
>
>
>**************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
>fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
________________________________________________________________________________
I want to add a baggage compartment to the pietenpol. I was thinking of positing
it behind the pilot's seat (door accessible from the outside), but that might
throw the CG off too much, right? How far back would the CG move with 60 lbs
directly behind the pilot?
The second idea I got was to use wing tanks, and make the location for baggage
the area behind the engine where a fuel tank would usually be, but I'm kind of
weary of using wing tanks because with the lack of height there could be fuel
starvation problems (correct me if I'm wrong) and I'd also have to put a fuel
gauge on the panel because I couldn't do a J-3 style gauge.
The other idea was to partition some of the area on the floor of the two cabins
with some plywood to hold stuff so that I can have access to stuff (maps and
charts) in flight and then the stuff can be stored in there as well for the baggage,
but that would have to be pretty restricted to all full control and foot
movement (and comfort)
I could do a combination of the three, so that the weights could be balanced out
a bit to avoid movement of the CG. Ideas? comments?
that's forward, aft, and in cabin storage, so I think that is all there could be
right? I don't want to do wing because of the restrictions on height (how thick
is the wing anyways?)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188985#188985
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
airlion(at)bellsouth.net
Subject:
Re: Spousal support (long) / was flying spouse and letting
NX92GB has a storage area directly aft of the firewall where the tank is on others.
The fuel tank is in the center section of the wing and is 13 gallons with
a stearman type fuel gauge. 92GB also has a hat box in the turtle deck behind
the pilot seat. Fuel is no problem and the storage area in the nose is pretty
big, especcialy if you are using Cont. 65. We have a corvair on ours and
the battery and coils are in the storage area and we still have plenty of room.
Shad
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 21, 2008
From:
Pastor M F Townsley <miket(at)southslope.net>
Subject:
messageless emails are being sent out...SERVER problem??
For some reason, I am getting emails that don't have any message in
them...are you?
Pastor Mike in Iowa
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 21, 2008
From:
shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
WACO Fly-In Wyncoop Airport Mt Vernon OH
Hey guys anyone going to the waco fly-in next weekend? I'll be there on sat, maybe
friday too. If anyone is going let me know I will meet up with you, it's
only 10 min from my house, so I don't have to fly too far. They have some of
the cheapest 100LL around. I paid 4.69?gal last weekend, (sad that that is cheap).
Hope to see you there.
Shad
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject:
Re: messageless emails are being sent out...SERVER problem??
Date:
Jun 21, 2008
Yes, I am getting a good amount of those also.
Maybe those guys are just thinking and not typing.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pastor M F Townsley" <miket(at)southslope.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 9:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: messageless emails are being sent out...SERVER
problem??
>
>
> For some reason, I am getting emails that don't have any message in
> them...are you?
> Pastor Mike in Iowa
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject:
Re: adding a baggage compartment
Date:
Jun 21, 2008
How much are you planning on carrying?I fit a tent, sleeping bag, and duffle
in the front cockpit. Look around at Brodhead, you will find lots of ideas
on the flight line.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "rubber314chicken" <rubber314chicken(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 8:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: adding a baggage compartment
>
>
> I want to add a baggage compartment to the pietenpol. I was thinking of
> positing it behind the pilot's seat (door accessible from the outside),
> but that might throw the CG off too much, right? How far back would the CG
> move with 60 lbs directly behind the pilot?
>
> The second idea I got was to use wing tanks, and make the location for
> baggage the area behind the engine where a fuel tank would usually be, but
> I'm kind of weary of using wing tanks because with the lack of height
> there could be fuel starvation problems (correct me if I'm wrong) and I'd
> also have to put a fuel gauge on the panel because I couldn't do a J-3
> style gauge.
>
> The other idea was to partition some of the area on the floor of the two
> cabins with some plywood to hold stuff so that I can have access to stuff
> (maps and charts) in flight and then the stuff can be stored in there as
> well for the baggage, but that would have to be pretty restricted to all
> full control and foot movement (and comfort)
>
> I could do a combination of the three, so that the weights could be
> balanced out a bit to avoid movement of the CG. Ideas? comments?
>
> that's forward, aft, and in cabin storage, so I think that is all there
> could be right? I don't want to do wing because of the restrictions on
> height (how thick is the wing anyways?)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188985#188985
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Adding 60 lbs. behind the pilot seat will move the cg substantially. On
NX18235 the cg change would be more than 2.5".
Putting fuel in the center section is a good idea for two reasons. It puts
the fuel weight close to the cg and it raises the fuel pressure at the
carburetor.
As Shad commented, a Stearman type fuel guage works well.
Making the front stick removable and disconnecting the front rudder pedals
turns the front cockpit into a very large baggage compartment.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "rubber314chicken" <rubber314chicken(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 8:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: adding a baggage compartment
>
>
> I want to add a baggage compartment to the pietenpol. I was thinking of
> positing it behind the pilot's seat (door accessible from the outside),
> but that might throw the CG off too much, right? How far back would the CG
> move with 60 lbs directly behind the pilot?
>
> The second idea I got was to use wing tanks, and make the location for
> baggage the area behind the engine where a fuel tank would usually be, but
> I'm kind of weary of using wing tanks because with the lack of height
> there could be fuel starvation problems (correct me if I'm wrong) and I'd
> also have to put a fuel gauge on the panel because I couldn't do a J-3
> style gauge.
>
> The other idea was to partition some of the area on the floor of the two
> cabins with some plywood to hold stuff so that I can have access to stuff
> (maps and charts) in flight and then the stuff can be stored in there as
> well for the baggage, but that would have to be pretty restricted to all
> full control and foot movement (and comfort)
>
> I could do a combination of the three, so that the weights could be
> balanced out a bit to avoid movement of the CG. Ideas? comments?
>
> that's forward, aft, and in cabin storage, so I think that is all there
> could be right? I don't want to do wing because of the restrictions on
> height (how thick is the wing anyways?)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188985#188985
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Re: Spousal support (long) / was flying spouse and letting
Jim
Well stated and written. As a safety professional for more than 35 years and an
active enthuiast of downhill skiing,motorcycling,boating and a pilot. My career
and life has revolved around risk mitigation. At one point I also worked as
a set safety consultant and still do at times for high risk TV shows.
The truth of the matter is that people have little comprehension of risk mitigation
and a term I have coined as predictive thinking as 2 of the cornerstons of
life safety. Daredevil couldn't be further from the truth it is infact more
the perception than the reality
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:26:38
To:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spousal support (long) / was flying spouse and letting
kids sit in the cockpit
Nobody in either my extended family or my wife's extended family flies or has flown.
It's something I wanted to do, so I did it (against the very vocalized fears
of my parents at the time, by the way). Having family that understands it
helps.
I met my wife long after I was rated. She knew flying came as part of the package
and has never discouraged my flying (my mother, on the other hand, still thinks
I'm partially suicidal, even 20+ years later). The number of times she's
been in a plane with me I think I can count on one hand. She actually prefers
gliders over power planes, mostly because of the lack of noise. I've also give
rides to my father and my brother, but never my mother or sisters, at least yet.
My experience with the attitude of the non-flying (spouse, stranger or whoever)
towards flying is that it's all about familiarity. The media and the movies have
done boatloads of disservice to flying by playing on people's fears to make
a quick buck. I recall an accident (a crash, one plane, IIRC) at a non-controlled
field. The widely-circulated local paper wrote up a less than factual article,
including a totally irrelevant statement that there was no ATC at the field.
Several people came to me in shocked disbelief about how awful it was there
was no controller on site, which was an echo of the tone of the article. I
asked them how they managed to live while operating their cars at intersections
with only stop signs, then explained there are commonly-understood procedures
for uncontrolled fields, just like at those intersections. I've iterated similar
circumstances countless times with slightly varying themes, and the lights
usually go on after a reasonable explanation. I r!
esent having to 'undo' the ignorant fear these people have propagated, but I do
it. On the other side of the fence, rarely does anybody report or make movies
about the emergency landings and procedures that don't end in fire, death, or
major property damage. Granted, I've never reported the emergencies I've had,
but even if it does get reported, it just doesn't sell. Nobody cares that my
carburetor had problems and I made a dead-stick landing at an airport, fixed
the problem, and flew out.
I hate to say it, but some pilots propagate this ignorance, too. They seem to like
the image the ignorant have of the pilot being some kind of mystic daredevil
(You're a ...... PILOT?!?, Wow!), and taking the mystique out of it might risk
them being reduced to mere mortal status. I prefer to think of myself as one
who's been priveleged with the resources to allow me to fly, has assessed the
risks versus the rewards, and made the commitment. I guess I don't see it as
a Wow! kinda thing, just something I enjoy doing while others are out maybe
boating or motorcycling.
People don't understand we've been trained to assess the risks and make decisions
in emergency situations, because they've rarely, if ever, done it for themselves.
I live near the top of a hill. My road comes to a T at the bottom, so in
the winter if the road is icy, there's a chance of not being able to stop and
going into oncoming traffic. I've told my wife I'd rather she controllably put
the car in the ditch (or bounce off the snow-bank) on the right side, rather
than getting t-boned on the highway (I had to do it for the first time once
last winter). This has given her a better concept of situational awareness than
she had before. I wish they required this kind of stuff to get a driver's license,
but that wouldn't fly with the politicians.
My wife used to be a white-knuckle passenger. When I met her, she had been on a
total of two commercial flights (one trip), and never in a small plane. I'd flown
for several years at that point, and had probably averaged anywhere from
2 to maybe 12 commercial trips a year for either business or pleasure. Now she
averages a couple commercial trips a year and has learned to sleep on them. Same
thing with her sister (who's first commercial flight was a couple days before
9/11, and ended up driving home when the airspace was shut down and a mess).
She's on a plane for a trip from NY to Yellowstone as I write. And she sleeps
on the plane now. The ignorance and fear are gone.
My wife will never be one to learn to fly herself, but her understanding of it
makes it easier for her to be supportive, and allows her to participate in it
with me with minimal stress.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com
>Sent: Jun 21, 2008 7:57 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit
>
>John, I read the post too, and wasn't sure I wanted to admit my wife is same
>as yours. Only difference is I'm building a Mustang II. She shows no
>interest in the project, and even though I tried to express to her the time and
>money we had to contribute to build the plane, and she agreed to it, I find now
>she's not OK with it. But what do you do when you're thousands of dollars into
>something. Can't stop now, cause I'll never recoup the money I have in it if
>I sell it in pieces. I'd be lucky if I sold a flying plane, never mind parts
>of a plane!
> But, maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel. We have three young
>children, and my hope is that they will have an interest in flying. We'll
>just leave mom at home and off to the beach we go!
>Boyce
>N920BS reserved
>Mustang II
>
>
>**************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
>fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
________________________________________________________________________________
horzpool(at)goldengate.ne wrote:
> How much are you planning on carrying?I fit a tent, sleeping bag, and duffle
> in the front cockpit. Look around at Brodhead, you will find lots of ideas
> on the flight line.
> Dick
> ---
that is about what I plan on carrying, but for two people, so its not like I can
throw it in the front cockpit.
and fyi, I planned on making the front stick removable, and there are not going
to be front rudder pedals for weight reasons (and unless they have a license,
I wouldn't want them to be trying slips and stuff in the plane), so that is space
that can be used.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189066#189066
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
airlion(at)bellsouth.net
Subject:
Re: Spousal support (long) / was flying spouse and letting
Baggage is a problem. If you are planning on a passenger, full fuel and 60 pounds
of baggage, you need a different plane, for several reasons:
1. That is going to put you at a high gross weight. When Chuck Gantzer flies
cross-country, he disconnects all controls in the front and carefully stows his
baggage. Still, he limits his load to about 25 pounds, for improved flying.
2. Generally, in a Piet, it's either a passenger OR baggage. However, as you
know, the design allows you to have baggage either in the center wing top or in
the space right behind the firewall-- wherever you do NOT have a fuel tank.
Anything else is a stretch.
3. Your passenger can only have so much around him or her. How would the passenger
get in and out with baggage underfoot? It's hard enough without encumberances.
4. Greg is right about the CG. Anything behind the pilot is in the wrong place.
I am trying to accommodate 6 more pounds for a pair of boots back there, and
the math does not work well for me.
5. Greg didn't mention space. Your baggage, if behind the pilot, has to be stowed
to miss pulleys, control rods or tubes, bellcranks, cables, etc., and make
SURE it always does. You will want to be able to look at all these things for
inspection, so your baggage stowage compartment needs to come apart. Webbing
is one answer. An inspection door that hinges down from under the fuze is
another. Corky did that on Oscar's plane, and I plan that, too.
6. You can stow things like maps, gloves, logbook, etc., several places, but a
tent, sleeping bag, sutcase, etc., are mostly ruled out if a passenger is involved.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: rubber314chicken <rubber314chicken(at)gmail.com>
>Sent: Jun 22, 2008 11:08 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: adding a baggage compartment
>
>
>horzpool(at)goldengate.ne wrote:
>> How much are you planning on carrying?I fit a tent, sleeping bag, and duffle
>> in the front cockpit. Look around at Brodhead, you will find lots of ideas
>> on the flight line.
>> Dick
>> ---
>
>
>that is about what I plan on carrying, but for two people, so its not like I can
throw it in the front cockpit.
>
>and fyi, I planned on making the front stick removable, and there are not going
to be front rudder pedals for weight reasons (and unless they have a license,
I wouldn't want them to be trying slips and stuff in the plane), so that is
space that can be used.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189066#189066
>
>
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Tim. Very good post. I agree, he needs a different airplane.
Gene
N502R
Original Message:
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From: Tim Willis timothywillis(at)earthlink.net
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:36:58 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: adding a baggage compartment
Baggage is a problem. If you are planning on a passenger, full fuel and 60
pounds of baggage, you need a different
plane, for several reasons:
