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=0Aon the test stand, then we're ready to install.- I've got one of Ken's =0Amodified B carbs I'm not using if anyone is interested.=0A=0ABack to the ================ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 01, 2008
From: <dknoll(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Gas Tank Filler Neck Seal
BINGO! They have them under p/n U80122-048. Thanks a bunch Steve I appreciate your help.. ---- Steve Ruse wrote: > I think mine is a J3 part. You might be able to find one from Univair. > http://www.univairparts.com/ > > Steve Ruse > Norman, OK > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lynn Knoll > To: pietenpol list > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 10:52 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gas Tank Filler Neck Seal > > > I need a source for the seal around the filler neck on the front fusledge tank. > > Lynn Knoll > Wichita > Piet/Vair > > > -- Lynn ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: motivating sources in homebuilding
Date: Jul 01, 2008
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Whoever your quote source might be that inspires you to build or to keep building I say if it works for you then use it to the hilt. The old guys who I hung around with out at Valley City Airport who restored old airplanes, engines, carbs, and mags (A&P's, IA's) would always say that they could tackle any jobs and the impossible jobs would merely take just a little longer. That's motivation for me---drive and not giving up. Ever. And for some fun reading for Harvey, here's this link. Hmmm.....1093 patents vs. 300. I'm sure he just bought this knowledge though:)) http://www.nps.gov/archive/edis/edisonia/Table1_1.html ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 01, 2008
From: Tim Verthein <minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Report from Roundup
We're here in Roundup, Montana. Paid a visit to the "Roundup Piet" at the Musselshell Museum today. The plane looks beautiiful indeed. First class workmanship throughout as near as I can tell (not being an expert) Sadly, I don't expect it will ever fly, since it's in a display building that it can't be removed from without taking off the wing, but the plane looks like it's ready to fly at a moments notice, and all the work appears to be consistent with modern safety and construction techniques. Nice folks at the museum gave us a good tour of the whole facility, and gave me access to get photos....as generally just looking in thru the bars on the front of the door is all the general public is allowed. I posted photos at: http://www.edselmotors.com/rounduppiet.html Tim in Bovey ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 02, 2008
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fedex Issues
I understand the frustration and disappointment of the situation. Our compa ny suffered a similar situation whereas the UPS driver left a package in an empty garage (wrong house) by mistake and the package was then tossed into the trash by the new home owners. We sought legal action to recover our lo ss ($3500.00) but to no avail. Why?...Judge said he did deliver the package and was not his fault even if he was supposed to get a signature as reques ted!-- - Never-the-less,-I now drive my packages to "Goin' Postal" shipping compan y. they are popping up all over the states and allow for you to "choose" th e best way to ship your package. You can ship either "best price" or "faste st delivery." The best part is that you can compare pricing amongst 7-10 ca rriers before you ship! With UPS as our shipper, it still cost more-to ha ve-them pick up and ship from my location than it is for me to drive my p ackage to Goin Postal and ship using UPS! Go figure?.. Either way, "Goin Po stal" has all of my business and I do save many $$ when I they compare and tell me the least expensive way to ship my package. Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP - --- On Tue, 7/1/08, H RULE wrote: From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: name tags at Brodhead Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 10:40 AM Sue Fedex for the cost or at least approach them with some sort of an arran gement.You should not have to bear the cost of their mistake. Right now you are a load of bad advertisement for them and they should see that.I know I just thought twice about ever using them now.If you don't get satisfaction then tell them we will spread the word and see if we can bring their busin ess down somewhat. ----- Original Message ---- From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 9:00:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: name tags at Brodhead link.net> Hey everyone, Let's all try to remember to wear our name tags during Brodhead.- I'd rea lly like to meet as many of you as possible, and nametags will greatly faciliat e that.- I'll try to remember mine each day. Big discouragement.- Had finished building a beautiful set of drum brake hubs, the kind where the drum will be hidden within the wire wheel.- Sent the rims and hubs out to Buchannans for 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Graham & Robin Hewitt" <grhewitt(at)globaldial.com>
Subject: Re Poly Fiber
Date: Jul 02, 2008
What opinions do you have re using light weight (1.7 oz) poly fiber for covering wings on a long fuse Piet? Most use 2.7 oz. Has any one used an 0200 engine? if so was the Engine mount beefed up from the std C90 type Second wing almost finished first wing now in dining room, we eat in the shed Regards Graham ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Re Poly Fiber
Date: Jul 02, 2008
MessageMy EAA tech counselor, who has covered ~a dozen planes recommended the 2.7 oz. fabric. I found it easy to use as a first time coverer. I did use 1.7 for doilies.--Jim Lagowski ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham & Robin Hewitt To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 3:51 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Poly Fiber What opinions do you have re using light weight (1.7 oz) poly fiber for covering wings on a long fuse Piet? Most use 2.7 oz. Has any one used an 0200 engine? if so was the Engine mount beefed up from the std C90 type Second wing almost finished first wing now in dining room, we eat in the shed Regards Graham ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 7/1/2008 7:23 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 02, 2008
Subject: Re: Re Poly Fiber
Graham, I know Mike Cuy used 1.7 oz. fabric and was very happy with it. He says it was easy to fill the weave with paint. Less paint, less weight. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 02, 2008
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Re Poly Fiber
Pardon me if this is old news, but Polyfiber fabric comes in three weights; light, medium and heavy (1.7oz, 2.7oz, and 3.4oz, respectively). Per the instructors at the weekend Polyfiber seminars, the 1.7oz is only approved for ultralights. Standard type requires at least the medium, and I thought experimentals were included in that same requirement. Granted, you're the manufacturer and you can (kinda) do whatever you want, but isn't an experimental builder responsible to follow (the FAA's definition of) acceptable practices? Will a DAR sign off on a plane covered with 1.7? Jim Ash -----Original Message----- >From: Graham & Robin Hewitt <grhewitt(at)globaldial.com> >Sent: Jul 2, 2008 3:51 AM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Poly Fiber > >What opinions do you have re using light weight (1.7 oz) poly fiber for >covering wings on a long fuse Piet? Most use 2.7 oz. > >Has any one used an 0200 engine? if so was the Engine mount beefed up >from the std C90 type > >Second wing almost finished first wing now in dining room, we eat in the >shed > >Regards Graham ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: GN-1 weight & balance
Date: Jul 02, 2008
Tom. I can't speak for the Grega Aircamper but for the Piet you can move the wings back to correct for C.G. problems. Gene (just back from my motorcycle trip to the West Coast and still working on my wife to let me go to Broadhead) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Bernie" <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:13 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 weight & balance > > > Folks, > > I'm finishing my Grega Aircamper and attempting to estimate the c.g. with > the understanding that if built to the plans, there is a tendency toward > aft c.g. problems. If any GN-1 builders or owners on the list can help > me with this I would appreciate it. The example weight and balance > included in my CAD plans were done for N4705G on 9/17/65. The > computations in the plans are in error, but using the weights and arms I > ran the numbers. The empty c.g. is 31% aft (leading edge). Most forward > 38% and most aft 41%. I saw a picture of this plane in flight??? My > question is what has been done to all the flying GN-1's to correct this > situation. I have a J3 motormount per the plans with a C-85. Looks to > me like I'll need a longer mount. Any thoughts? > > (N4705G -- Left 326, Right 323, Tail 50, Leading edge datum, 7.5" arm to > main wheels, 169" arm to tail wheel, oil arm -23", fuel arm -1.5", pilot > arm 53", passenger arm 24") > > > Regards, > Tom Bernie > Gloucester MA > 978-281-8892 > > > -- > Date: 6/28/2008 7:00 AM > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: GN-1 weight & balance
Date: Jul 02, 2008
Tom; I plugged your numbers into the spreadsheet that I used for the W&B on 41CC (thanks, Bert and Corky!) and you're right... your Grega doesn't pencil out. I guessed at a whole bunch of things, like your design gross (I used 1,088 as in 41CC), fuel capacity (I used 16 gal., also like 41CC), and some other things like pilot and passenger weight- but the one number that jumped out immediately while I was plugging in numbers was the weight on your tailwheel. 41CC had 29 lbs. on the tailwheel when empty, whereas 05G has 50. There's your problem. Twenty more pounds on the tailwheel. Oh, and BTW- I sent the Excel spreadsheet to Matt Dralle for posting on the file share, so it should be available later today if you want it to do some what-ifs. You'll have to check all the numbers and info in each cell or you'll get bad info out of it though. That twenty extra pounds at a moment arm of 169" yields 3380 in-lbs. of moment. Your C-85 weighs about 220 lbs. so you'd have to move the engine forward by 15" to offset that moment... which I don't think you would want to do. Time to look at some other options for bringing it into balance. Think about heavy stuff that you can move forward. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Fedex Issues
Date: Jul 02, 2008
You are never going to win taking FedEx to court. Always, ALWAYS, pay the extra for insurance whenever shipping something valuable. Gene ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Report from Roundup
Date: Jul 02, 2008
this is a very interesting airplane. I can't put my finger on it, but isn't the wing way forward? The cabane fittings should be further back, shouldn't they, even if it is a short fuselage (like mine)? I can't figure out why the radiator cuts into the wing like it does. Any ideas? Note, some knucklehead put a vented cap on the radiator, wonder how well THAT cools???? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Verthein<mailto:minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Report from Roundup > We're here in Roundup, Montana. Paid a visit to the "Roundup Piet" at the Musselshell Museum today. The plane looks beautiiful indeed. First class workmanship throughout as near as I can tell (not being an expert) Sadly, I don't expect it will ever fly, since it's in a display building that it can't be removed from without taking off the wing, but the plane looks like it's ready to fly at a moments notice, and all the work appears to be consistent with modern safety and construction techniques. Nice folks at the museum gave us a good tour of the whole facility, and gave me access to get photos....as generally just looking in thru the bars on the front of the door is all the general public is allowed. I posted photos at: http://www.edselmotors.com/rounduppiet.html unduppiet.html> Tim in Bovey http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Re Poly Fiber
Date: Jul 02, 2008
The 1.7 is perfectly safe for use on a Piet, most people I know use it on light weight craft, such as Piper E2/J2, etc. as well as homebuilts It is no longer considered "certified" for use on certificated airplanes, but on an experimental, you can do whatever you want (within reason). The fact is that it used to be certified and allowed for certificated aircraft. I have a scrap of 1.7 with a FAA-PMA certified stamp right on it. I doubt if any DAR is going to know, or notice, the difference. Don't tell. However, if I ever get questioned, I will whip out the certified stamp, there is nothing they could do about it. The main thing is that it is perfectly SAFE. I intend on using it for weight savings. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Ash<mailto:ashcan(at)earthlink.net> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 8:05 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Poly Fiber > Pardon me if this is old news, but Polyfiber fabric comes in three weights; light, medium and heavy (1.7oz, 2.7oz, and 3.4oz, respectively). Per the instructors at the weekend Polyfiber seminars, the 1.7oz is only approved for ultralights. Standard type requires at least the medium, and I thought experimentals were included in that same requirement. Granted, you're the manufacturer and you can (kinda) do whatever you want, but isn't an experimental builder responsible to follow (the FAA's definition of) acceptable practices? Will a DAR sign off on a plane covered with 1.7? Jim Ash -----Original Message----- >From: Graham & Robin Hewitt > >Sent: Jul 2, 2008 3:51 AM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Poly Fiber > >What opinions do you have re using light weight (1.7 oz) poly fiber for >covering wings on a long fuse Piet? Most use 2.7 oz. > >Has any one used an 0200 engine? if so was the Engine mount beefed up >from the std C90 type > >Second wing almost finished first wing now in dining room, we eat in the >shed > >Regards Graham http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 02, 2008
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: Report from Roundup
>Paid a visit to the "Roundup Piet" at the Musselshell Museum today. > If you follow the link to the "Roundup Piet" you will see some great photos. I did see one thing on it that I have not seen before. On both the rudder and the elevators there were extra brace cables run from the control horn to the rear corners of the surfaces. This looks like overkill and extra weight just where you don't want it. They must have just seemed too flimsy to him. Tom S. McPherson, KS. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thomas Bernie <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: GN-1 weight & balance
Date: Jul 02, 2008
Oscar, The weight and balance example from the plans has to be disregarded. The plans do however, specify a c.g. range of 18.1 to 20.7 (30.2% to 34.5%). I weighed my wing panels with scales at the strut attach points and added the appropriate weight to my fuselage and did a weight and balance. It came out 31% fwd and 34% aft. It's not exact by any means, but it did end up close to the design numbers. I expect the GN-1's built to plans are all operating at the back of the c.g. envelope. I guess I'll have to make a new, longer, motor mount. I have no intention of operating in the plans specified c.g. range. I've got nothing to move but the engine. Thanks for posting the spreadsheet that will come in handy. Over the last few days I have generated a huge pile of paper and worn out my calculator, so the spreadsheet will be useful for working out the mount. My plane has 30# on the tailwheel and an empty c.g. of 13.9. I need to move that fwd a couple of inches. Thanks for the help. Regards, Tom On Jul 2, 2008, at 8:51 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > > > Tom; I plugged your numbers into the spreadsheet that I used for the > W&B on 41CC (thanks, Bert and Corky!) and you're right... your Grega > doesn't pencil out. I guessed at a whole bunch of things, like your > design gross (I used 1,088 as in 41CC), fuel capacity (I used 16 > gal., also like 41CC), and some other things like pilot and > passenger weight- but the one number that jumped out immediately > while I was plugging in numbers was the weight on your tailwheel. > 41CC had 29 lbs. on the tailwheel when empty, whereas 05G has 50. > There's your problem. Twenty more pounds on the tailwheel. Oh, and > BTW- I sent the Excel spreadsheet to Matt Dralle for posting on the > file share, so it should be available later today if you want it to > do some what-ifs. You'll have to check all the numbers and info in > each cell or you'll get bad info out of it though. > > That twenty extra pounds at a moment arm of 169" yields 3380 in-lbs. > of moment. Your C-85 weighs about 220 lbs. so you'd have to move > the engine forward by 15" to offset that moment... which I don't > think you would want to do. Time to look at some other options for > bringing it into balance. Think about heavy stuff that you can move > forward. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > Thomas Bernie tsbe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: name tags at Brodhead
Date: Jul 02, 2008
Douwe, Last year, the Brodhead Pietenpol Association Newsletter had a booth set up where everyone could get a nametag (and renew their membership, if needed). I believe they are planning to do the same this year. Nametags really help identifying those who know each other via this list, but have not met face-to-face. As for your hubs getting mis-delivered, and subsequently discarded - that is really disheartening. Really inexcusable for Fedex and also for the company that actually received the package. Surely they could have read the label and called either Fedex or Buchanan's before they threw out your hubs. Bill C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "bike.mike" <bike.mike(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: GN-1 weight & balance
Date: Jul 02, 2008
Oscar, My puzzlement is the same as Tom's; N4705G is/was a flying airplane, which I don't think it would have been with a CG at 41%. Where did these numbers really come from, and what was done to 05G to make it flyable? It almost looks like those numbers either came before engine installation or the airplane was weighed while tail-down. Mike Hardaway ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 4:51 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 weight & balance > > > Tom; I plugged your numbers into the spreadsheet that I used for the W&B on 41CC (thanks, Bert and Corky!) and you're right... your Grega doesn't pencil out. I guessed at a whole bunch of things, like your design gross (I used 1,088 as in 41CC), fuel capacity (I used 16 gal., also like 41CC), and some other things like pilot and passenger weight- but the one number that jumped out immediately while I was plugging in numbers was the weight on your tailwheel. 41CC had 29 lbs. on the tailwheel when empty, whereas 05G has 50. There's your problem. Twenty more pounds on the tailwheel. Oh, and BTW- I sent the Excel spreadsheet to Matt Dralle for posting on the file share, so it should be available later today if you want it to do some what-ifs. You'll have to check all the numbers and info in each cell or you'll get bad info out of it though. > > That twenty extra pounds at a moment arm of 169" yields 3380 in-lbs. of moment. Your C-85 weighs about 220 lbs. so you'd have to move the engine forward by 15" to offset that moment... which I don't think you would want to do. Time to look at some other options for bringing it into balance. Think about heavy stuff that you can move forward. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thomas Bernie <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: GN-1 weight & balance
Date: Jul 02, 2008
Mike, I can't explain how such bogus information could end up in a set of plans. The specified center of gravity range on the plans could not possibly have been achieved on N4705G. However, my GN-1 looks like it will be close to the specified range of 30.2% to 34.5% -- the problem is, I don't want such a far aft c.g. range. Tom On Jul 2, 2008, at 11:13 AM, bike.mike wrote: > > > > Oscar, > My puzzlement is the same as Tom's; N4705G is/was a flying airplane, > which I > don't think it would have been with a CG at 41%. Where did these > numbers > really come from, and what was done to 05G to make it flyable? > It almost looks like those numbers either came before engine > installation or > the airplane was weighed while tail-down. > Mike Hardaway > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> > To: "Pietenpol List" > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 4:51 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 weight & balance > > >> > >> >> >> Tom; I plugged your numbers into the spreadsheet that I used for >> the W&B > on 41CC (thanks, Bert and Corky!) and you're right... your Grega > doesn't > pencil out. I guessed at a whole bunch of things, like your design > gross (I > used 1,088 as in 41CC), fuel capacity (I used 16 gal., also like > 41CC), and > some other things like pilot and passenger weight- but the one > number that > jumped out immediately while I was plugging in numbers was the > weight on > your tailwheel. 41CC had 29 lbs. on the tailwheel when empty, > whereas 05G > has 50. There's your problem. Twenty more pounds on the > tailwheel. Oh, > and BTW- I sent the Excel spreadsheet to Matt Dralle for posting on > the file > share, so it should be available later today if you want it to do some > what-ifs. You'll have to check all the numbers and info in each > cell or > you'll get bad info out of it though. >> >> That twenty extra pounds at a moment arm of 169" yields 3380 in- >> lbs. of > moment. Your C-85 weighs about 220 lbs. so you'd have to move the > engine > forward by 15" to offset that moment... which I don't think you > would want > to do. Time to look at some other options for bringing it into > balance. > Think about heavy stuff that you can move forward. >> >> Oscar Zuniga >> Air Camper NX41CC >> San Antonio, TX >> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com >> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net >> >> >> >> >> > > Thomas Bernie tsbe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 02, 2008
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re Poly Fiber
I will be using 1.7 on mine also. Rick On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Gene Rambo wrote: > The 1.7 is perfectly safe for use on a Piet, most people I know use it on > light weight craft, such as Piper E2/J2, etc. as well as homebuilts It is > no longer considered "certified" for use on certificated airplanes, but on > an experimental, you can do whatever you want (within reason). The fact is > that it used to be certified and allowed for certificated aircraft. I have > a scrap of 1.7 with a FAA-PMA certified stamp right on it. I doubt if any > DAR is going to know, or notice, the difference. Don't tell. However, if I > ever get questioned, I will whip out the certified stamp, there is nothing > they could do about it. The main thing is that it is perfectly SAFE. I > intend on using it for weight savings. > > Gene > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Jim Ash > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 02, 2008 8:05 AM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Poly Fiber > > > Pardon me if this is old news, but Polyfiber fabric comes in three weights; > light, medium and heavy (1.7oz, 2.7oz, and 3.4oz, respectively). Per the > instructors at the weekend Polyfiber seminars, the 1.7oz is only approved > for ultralights. Standard type requires at least the medium, and I thought > experimentals were included in that same requirement. > > Granted, you're the manufacturer and you can (kinda) do whatever you want, > but isn't an experimental builder responsible to follow (the FAA's > definition of) acceptable practices? Will a DAR sign off on a plane covered > with 1.7? > > Jim Ash > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Graham & Robin Hewitt <grhewitt(at)globaldial.com> > >Sent: Jul 2, 2008 3:51 AM > >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Poly Fiber > > > >What opinions do you have re using light weight (1.7 oz) poly fiber for > >covering wings on a long fuse Piet? Most use 2.7 oz. > > > >Has any one used an 0200 engine? if so was the Engine mount beefed up > >from the std C90 type > > > >Second wing almost finished first wing now in dining room, we eat in the > >shed > > > >Regards nbsp; Features Chat, --> http://www.matp; via the Web > title=http://forums.matronics.com/ > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution href=" > http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> > http://www.matronics.com/c================ > > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: GN-1 weight & balance
Date: Jul 01, 2008
Tom, I have read that the new CAD drawings for the GN-1 have quite a few errors. This is likely one of them. MAYBE this one is simply a "5" where a "3" should be (i.e. maybe the number for the ailwheel should be 30 instead of 50). Perhaps you could do the calculations using 30 in place of the 50, and see what you get. It's a lucky thing that you're smart enough to see that something isn't right, and are doing something about it. Maybe this is one of the reasons why the plans are no longer available for sale. Bill C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thomas Bernie <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: GN-1 weight & balance
Date: Jul 02, 2008
Bill, WOW -- YOU GOT IT -- IT IS A TYPO -- WAY TO GO -- I should have picked that up. Now my airplane matches the design example weights. The computations on the plans are still bogus, but when done correctly the results match mine and the design c.g. range. My aft c.g. problem remains, however. Like I said previously, the design specified aft c.g. limit of 34.5% is well aft of my comfort zone. These plans have been a nightmare of errors. Thanks, Tom On Jul 1, 2008, at 11:25 AM, Bill Church wrote: > Tom, > > I have read that the new CAD drawings for the GN-1 have quite a few > errors. This is likely one of them. > MAYBE this one is simply a "5" where a "3" should be (i.e. maybe > the number for the ailwheel should be 30 instead of 50). > > Perhaps you could do the calculations using 30 in place of the 50, > and see what you get. > > It's a lucky thing that you're smart enough to see that something > isn't right, and are doing something about it. Maybe this is one of > the reasons why the plans are no longer available for sale. > > Bill C. > > Thomas Bernie tsbe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 1.7 oz
Date: Jul 02, 2008
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Finished my plane in Superflite non-certified 1.7 oz dacron. Main reason is that it is cheaper---but comes from the same mill as the PMA stuff. Secondly the weave fills faster, less coats, less cost ---you get a lighter airplane, better performance. Third reason is that the Superflite stuff was the widest available so I was able to use the blanket/overlap method on my wings rather than having to sew up a fabric envelope. Worked out great. Buy yourself a good pair of pinking scissors at Wal Mart. Good investment--doesn't fray the fabric. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 02, 2008
From: "ALAN LYSCARS" <alyscars(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: GN-1 weight & balance
RE: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 weight & balanceTom, I've been working with a set of the "CAD" Grega plans for about four years. I've offered, over that time, queries and suggestions concerning questionable detail found in those drawings. At one time-I think about three or four summers ago- Bob Grega was very responsive to those of us on the list with these observations. Bob issued corrections to the plans to all registered plans owners as he became aware of them from us and when there was technical consensus for the change. Most of these suggestions were minor in detail: one such, I remember, was a mislabled turnbuckle assembly. At some point Bob Grega, who was only reproducing plans for those who wanted to buy them, stopped cold. I never found the reason why but, considering all of the armchair quarterbacks and litigators instant in our society today he may have, rightfully, gotten scared of being sued. It's really a crying shame, too, for with the withdrawl of these plans sets from the market a whole generation, or generations, of builders will never come to be: at least with this design. I always try to remind myself that as an experimental builder it is my charge to myself to try to know or learn as much as I can about what I'm doing. The fact that a few errors have been caught and corrected in these plans is a real testament to our willingness to "get it right" to the best of our collective ability. After all, even young boys can put together a kit plane. Sincerely, Al Lyscars Manchester, NH ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Church To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:25 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 weight & balance Tom, I have read that the new CAD drawings for the GN-1 have quite a few errors. This is likely one of them. MAYBE this one is simply a "5" where a "3" should be (i.e. maybe the number for the ailwheel should be 30 instead of 50). Perhaps you could do the calculations using 30 in place of the 50, and see what you get. It's a lucky thing that you're smart enough to see that something isn't right, and are doing something about it. Maybe this is one of the reasons why the plans are no longer available for sale. Bill C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: GN-1 weight & balance
Date: Jul 02, 2008
Speaking of typos, I just saw that my post refers to the "ailwheel". Doh! Maybe if it weighs 50 pounds, that's actually the right name. We all make mistakes. But I would think a set of plans for an airplane would be proofread many times over before being sent to the printshop. Bill C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 02, 2008
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: GN-1 weight & balance
In the interest of propagating the GN-1 design I have a set of the CAD GN-1 plans I will sell for what I paid for them if anyone is interested. I only used them to reference the Cub-style gear I added to my Pietenpol. Rick On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 10:26 AM, ALAN LYSCARS wrote: > Tom, > > I've been working with a set of the "CAD" Grega plans for about four years. > > I've offered, over that time, queries and suggestions concerning > questionable detail found in those drawings. At one time-I think about > three or four summers ago- Bob Grega was very responsive to those of us on > the list with these observations. Bob issued corrections to the plans to > all registered plans owners as he became aware of them from us and when > there was technical consensus for the change. Most of these suggestions > were minor in detail: one such, I remember, was a mislabled turnbuckle > assembly. > > At some point Bob Grega, who was only reproducing plans for those who > wanted to buy them, stopped cold. I never found the reason why but, > considering all of the armchair quarterbacks and litigators instant in our > society today he may have, rightfully, gotten scared of being sued. > > It's really a crying shame, too, for with the withdrawl of these plans sets > from the market a whole generation, or generations, of builders will never > come to be: at least with this design. > > I always try to remind myself that as an experimental builder it is my > charge to myself to try to know or learn as much as I can about what I'm > doing. The fact that a few errors have been caught and corrected in these > plans is a real testament to our willingness to "get it right" to the best > of our collective ability. > > After all, even young boys can put together a kit plane. > > Sincerely, > Al Lyscars > Manchester, NH > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Bill Church > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:25 AM > *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 weight & balance > > Tom, > > I have read that the new CAD drawings for the GN-1 have quite a few > errors. This is likely one of them. > MAYBE this one is simply a "5" where a "3" should be (i.e. maybe the > number for the ailwheel should be 30 instead of 50). > > Perhaps you could do the calculations using 30 in place of the 50, and see > what you get. > > It's a lucky thing that you're smart enough to see that something isn't > right, and are doing something about it. Maybe this is one of the reasons > why the plans are no longer available for sale. > > Bill C. > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thomas Bernie <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: GN-1 weight & balance
Date: Jul 02, 2008
Al, You are absolutely right, this has certainly been a learning experience for me. If Grega had kept selling and correcting the plans, as well as making the drawings from the old plans available, we would have a great GN-1 builder community. When I pointed out the orientation of the vertical pieces in the aft fuselage were incorrect he just disagreed with me? If you are ever coming to Gloucester, give me a call and you can see my plane. Regards, Tom Bernie 978-281-8892 On Jul 2, 2008, at 12:26 PM, ALAN LYSCARS wrote: > Tom, > > I've been working with a set of the "CAD" Grega plans for about four > years. > > I've offered, over that time, queries and suggestions concerning > questionable detail found in those drawings. At one time-I think > about three or four summers ago- Bob Grega was very responsive to > those of us on the list with these observations. Bob issued > corrections to the plans to all registered plans owners as he became > aware of them from us and when there was technical consensus for the > change. Most of these suggestions were minor in detail: one such, > I remember, was a mislabled turnbuckle assembly. > > At some point Bob Grega, who was only reproducing plans for those > who wanted to buy them, stopped cold. I never found the reason why > but, considering all of the armchair quarterbacks and litigators > instant in our society today he may have, rightfully, gotten scared > of being sued. > > It's really a crying shame, too, for with the withdrawl of these > plans sets from the market a whole generation, or generations, of > builders will never come to be: at least with this design. > > I always try to remind myself that as an experimental builder it is > my charge to myself to try to know or learn as much as I can about > what I'm doing. The fact that a few errors have been caught and > corrected in these plans is a real testament to our willingness to > "get it right" to the best of our collective ability. > > After all, even young boys can put together a kit plane. > > Sincerely, > Al Lyscars > Manchester, NH > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Church > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:25 AM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 weight & balance > > Tom, > > I have read that the new CAD drawings for the GN-1 have quite a few > errors. This is likely one of them. > MAYBE this one is simply a "5" where a "3" should be (i.e. maybe > the number for the ailwheel should be 30 instead of 50). > > Perhaps you could do the calculations using 30 in place of the 50, > and see what you get. > > It's a lucky thing that you're smart enough to see that something > isn't right, and are doing something about it. Maybe this is one of > the reasons why the plans are no longer available for sale. > > Bill C. > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > > Thomas Bernie tsbe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 02, 2008
From: "ALAN LYSCARS" <alyscars(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: GN-1 weight & balance
Bill, In this case I'm afraid that complete proofreading and error checking mightn't have happened. Bob Grega's dad, John, designed those plans in the early sixites. They were a hand-drafted set. Later, as CAD came into vogue, those plans were translated/redrawn. I believe that by that time John had passed away. It seems to me that there was no one at that time with the absolute knowledge of the "redrawns'" accuracy. I don't know for a fact that these errors weren't included in the original hand drafts. And for all I know, I may be blowing smoke out of my "U-NO-WAT". I wasn't there. All I can say is that I haven't been a party to any major design flaws with these plans: only small, seldom occurring common sense items needing correction (typos). Al ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Church To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:34 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 weight & balance Speaking of typos, I just saw that my post refers to the "ailwheel". Doh! Maybe if it weighs 50 pounds, that's actually the right name. We all make mistakes. But I would think a set of plans for an airplane would be proofread many times over before being sent to the printshop. Bill C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 1.7 oz
Date: Jul 02, 2008
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
You know Bill my smoke system didn't come from ASS Co. or Wicks or some fancy aerobatic manufacturer but from the garden department at Wal Mart. A Better Homes & Garden pump-up bug sprayer poly bottle. Also if you buy pinking shears from Wal Mart there are two grades. El Cheapo and expensive. I got the expensive ones and used the daylights out of them. I lost them somewhere along the line but I hope they show up in one of those boxes I have in the attic someday because they've got glue and goo, and cement and fingerprints all over the handles and are sentimental in a way. Beware of something when going thru the sewing department at Wal Mart though. You must be secure in your masculinity as the women there will look at you with a wary eye and I'm assuming they either just think we're getting something for our wives or are perverts ! Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: airlion(at)bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: Re Poly Fiber
Date: Jul 02, 2008
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From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: 1.7 oz
Date: Jul 02, 2008
Mike, I was just kidding about the Wal Mart comment. They do have a lot of El Cheapo stuff, but some is brand name at a good price. Like everything, you get what you pay for. I have much more experience in fabric stores than I'll ever need, as my wife used to make her own line of children's clothing, and sometimes was required to assist (read: carry). So, I know all too well the feeling of being in "no man's land". One thing I know for sure, is that when I do get to the fabric work, I'm definitely going to get my own pair of pinking shears, as opposed to "borrowing" my wife's. I may not be smart, but I'm not stupid. Bill C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: drywall screws
Date: Jul 02, 2008
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
You bet Bill--all in good fun and Wal Mart was just part of the building process for me. Another was when my inspector saw the drywall screws I used to safety wire a friction nut (from Lowe's) in place on my trim system. "you went thru all of this to make your plane decent and then use drywall screws here ?" Yep. Worked like a charm and nobody ever sees that under the seat. NAPA had the gallon size of MEK I needed for some of my fabric cement and work. Valley City lumber had the handrail banister material that I ripped up into my wing leading edge. A little upholstery shop in Grafton took some posterboard patterns I made up for vinyl cockpit covers and sewed them up for me out of real imitation rich Corinthian fake (did I mention imitation ?) brown vinyl. The Great Wok in Grafton supplied many of my late night dinners. Joe made a mean sesame chicken there. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 02, 2008
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: GN-1 weight & balance
I fly aGN-1 aircamper and here are my figures:CofG=D+(RxL)=0A---- ------------------------- ------------------------- ------------------------- ----------W=0Awhere Cof G =distance from datumto cent er of gravity of the aircraft =14.6 in.=0A--------- W ------ =the weight of the aircraft at the time of weighing =777 lbs (right wheel = 365lbs,left wheel =379 lbs and tail wheel = 33lbs=0A--------- D------- =horizontal di stance from-datum to main weighing point =7.6 in.=0A------ --- L------- =horizontal distance from main wheel wei ghing point to nose or tail weighing point =167 in.=0A------ --- R------- =the weight at the tail weighing point =33 lbs=0A7.6+(33x167)=0A---------- 777---- -- =Cof G of 14.6- =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Thomas Bernie =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 9:50:05 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: nie =0A=0AOscar,=0A=0AThe weight and balance exampl e from the plans has to be disregarded.- =0AThe plans do however,- spec ify a c.g. range of 18.1 to 20.7 (30.2% to- =0A34.5%).- I weighed my wi ng panels with scales at the strut attach- =0Apoints and added the approp riate weight to my fuselage and did a- =0Aweight and balance.- It came out 31% fwd and 34% aft.- It's not exact- =0Aby any means, but it did e nd up close to the design numbers.- I expect- =0Athe GN-1's built to pl ans are all operating at the back of the c.g.- =0Aenvelope.- I guess I' ll have to make a new, longer,- motor mount.- I- =0Ahave no intention of operating in the plans specified c.g. range.- =0AI've got nothing to move but the engine.- Thanks for posting the- =0Aspreadsheet that will come in handy.- Over the last few days I have- =0Agenerated a huge pile of paper and worn out my calculator, so the- =0Aspreadsheet will be usef ul for working out the mount.- My plane has- =0A30# on the tailwheel an d an empty c.g. of 13.9.- I need to move that- =0Afwd a couple of inche s.- Thanks for the help.=0A=0ARegards,=0ATom=0A=0AOn Jul 2, 2008, at 8:51 Zuniga >=0A>=0A>=0A> Tom; I plugged your numbe rs into the spreadsheet that I used for the- =0A> W&B on 41CC (thanks, Be rt and Corky!) and you're right... your Grega- =0A> doesn't pencil out. - I guessed at a whole bunch of things, like your- =0A> design gross (I used 1,088 as in 41CC), fuel capacity (I used 16- =0A> gal., also like 4 1CC), and some other things like pilot and- =0A> passenger weight- but th e one number that jumped out immediately- =0A> while I was plugging in nu mbers was the weight on your tailwheel.- =0A> 41CC had 29 lbs. on the tai lwheel when empty, whereas 05G has 50.- =0A> There's your problem.- Twe nty more pounds on the tailwheel.- Oh, and- =0A> BTW- I sent the Excel spreadsheet to Matt Dralle for posting on the- =0A> file share, so it sho uld be available later today if you want it to- =0A> do some what-ifs.- You'll have to check all the numbers and info in- =0A> each cell or you' ll get bad info out of it though.=0A>=0A> That twenty extra pounds at a mom ent arm of 169" yields 3380 in-lbs.- =0A> of moment.- Your C-85 weighs about 220 lbs. so you'd have to move- =0A> the engine forward by 15" to o ffset that moment... which I don't- =0A> think you would want to do.- T ime to look at some other options for- =0A> bringing it into balance.- Think about heavy stuff that you can move- =0A> forward.=0A>=0A> Oscar Zu niga=0A> Air Camper NX41CC=0A> San Antonio, TX=0A> mailto: taildrags@hotmai l.com=0A> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A=0ATh =============== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 1.7 oz
Date: Jul 02, 2008
And don't forget to get your own iron, too. You can bet that if you borrow hers, she'll want one twice as expensive as a replacement! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, working on fuselage (10 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:57 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 1.7 oz ..One thing I know for sure, is that when I do get to the fabric work, I'm definitely going to get my own pair of pinking shears, as opposed to "borrowing" my wife's. I may not be smart, but I'm not stupid. Bill C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thomas Bernie <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: GN-1 weight & balance
Date: Jul 02, 2008
Harvey, Thanks for the numbers -- very helpful for me to see what c.g.'s flying GN-1's have. Best Regards, Tom Bernie Gloucester Mass 978-281-8892 On Jul 2, 2008, at 5:43 PM, H RULE wrote: > I fly aGN-1 aircamper and here are my figures:CofG=D+(RxL) > > W > > where Cof G =distance from datumto center of gravity of the aircraft > =14.6 in. > > W =the weight of the aircraft at the time of > weighing =777 lbs (right wheel = 365lbs,left wheel =379 lbs and tail > wheel =33lbs > > D =horizontal distance from datum to main weighing > point =7.6 in. > > L =horizontal distance from main wheel weighing > point to nose or tail weighing point =167 in. > > R =the weight at the tail weighing point =33 lbs > > > 7.6+(33x167) > > 777 =Cof G of 14.6 > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Thomas Bernie <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 9:50:05 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 weight & balance > > > > > Oscar, > > The weight and balance example from the plans has to be disregarded. > The plans do however, specify a c.g. range of 18.1 to 20.7 (30.2% to > 34.5%). I weighed my wing panels with scales at the strut attach > points and added the appropriate weight to my fuselage and did a > weight and balance. It came out 31% fwd and 34% aft. It's not exact > by any means, but it did end up close to the design numbers. I expect > the GN-1's built to plans are all operating at the back of the c.g. > envelope. I guess I'll have to make a new, longer, motor mount. I > have no intention of operating in the plans specified c.g. range. > I've got nothing to move but the engine. Thanks for posting the > spreadsheet that will come in handy. Over the last few days I have > generated a huge pile of paper and worn out my calculator, so the > spreadsheet will be useful for working out the mount. My plane has > 30# on the tailwheel and an empty c.g. of 13.9. I need to move that > fwd a couple of inches. Thanks for the help. > > Regards, > Tom > > On Jul 2, 2008, at 8:51 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Tom; I plugged your numbers into the spreadsheet that I used for the > > W&B on 41CC (thanks, Bert and Corky!) and you're right... your Grega > > doesn't pencil out. I guessed at a whole bunch of things, like your > > design gross (I used 1,088 as in 41CC), fuel capacity (I used 16 > > gal., also like 41CC), and some other things like pilot and > > passenger weight- but the one number that jumped out immediately > > while I was plugging in numbers was the weight on your tailwheel. > > 41CC had 29 lbs. on the tailwheel when empty, whereas 05G has 50. > > There's your problem. Twenty more pounds on the tailwheel. Oh, and > > BTW- I sent the Excel spreadsheet to Matt Dralle for posting on the > > file share, so it should be available later today if you want it to > > do some what-ifs. You'll have to check all the numbers and info in > > each cell or you'll get bad info out of it though. > > > > That twenty extra pounds at a moment arm of 169" yields 3380 in-lbs. > > of moment. Your C-85 weighs about 220 lbs. so you'd have to move > > the engine forward by 15" to offset that moment... which I don't > > think you would want to do. Time to look at some other options for > > bringing it into balance. Think about heavy stuff that you can move > > forward. > > > > Oscar Zuniga > > Air Camper NX41CC > > San Antonio, TX > > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > > website at > _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ====================== > _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ====================== > _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ====================== > _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ====================== > > Thomas Bernie tsbe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TGSTONE236(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 02, 2008
Subject: rib gussets
I bought a project in progress 2nd hand from an original estate sale.All the work looked good ,fuselage ,tailfeathers etc. I decided to check the stapled gussets on the ribs.As I pulled out the staples the gussets came off. I could not tell that there had ever been any glue put on them and if they had been it was it was not where I could tell it I have already mounted all the ribs on the spars so I'm redoing every one of them (at least 300). At least I'll know they are good when I finish redoing them. It pays to double check everything reguardless of how good it looks to the eye. After all that will be me and probably a friend depending on that wing to bring us back to earth safely. Ted Stone **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Scott Schreiber" <got22b(at)subarubrat.com>
Subject: Re: 1.7 oz
Date: Jul 02, 2008
For what it is worth; Fair disclaimer, the plane has not yet flown. I did my first covering job on the piet wings and used the 1.7 based on the math and comparison to Grade A cotton. So far the process went flawlessly. It wasn't a matter of money, Valhala knows I have spent twice as much to build my Piet as most folks ordering all new and many PMA parts and not risking anything. I just compared it to what Piets were born with and it came out nicely. I followed the Polyfiber STC practices to the T and my inspector had nothing bad to say, in fact after I saw the random beard hair trapped under the fabric despite the tack cloth treatment I wanted to throw a match on it. But my inspector said he would swear it was an old timer's job. Not tooting my horn, just relaying that the 1.7 didn't raise any red flags yet. -Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 6:08 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 1.7 oz And don't forget to get your own iron, too. You can bet that if you borrow hers, she'll want one twice as expensive as a replacement! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, working on fuselage (10 ribs down.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:57 AM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 1.7 oz ..One thing I know for sure, is that when I do get to the fabric work, I'm definitely going to get my own pair of pinking shears, as opposed to "borrowing" my wife's. I may not be smart, but I'm not stupid. Bill C. http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 02, 2008
From: Pastor M F Townsley <miket(at)southslope.net>
Subject: Re: rib gussets
Ted, What glue did you use? Did you lightly sand the plywood gussets before glueing them? Better ck the fuselage and tail gussetts too! That is frustrating indeed! Mike in Iowa TGSTONE236(at)aol.com wrote: > I bought a project in progress 2nd hand from an original estate > sale.All the work looked good ,fuselage ,tailfeathers etc. > > I decided to check the stapled gussets on the ribs.As I pulled out the > staples the gussets came off. I could not tell that there had ever > been any glue put on them and if they had been it was it was not where > I could tell it I have already mounted all the ribs on the spars so > I'm redoing every one of them (at least 300). At least I'll know they > are good when I finish redoing them. It pays to double check > everything reguardless of how good it looks to the eye. After all that > will be me and probably a friend depending on that wing to bring us > back to earth safely. > > Ted Stone > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used > cars <http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007>. > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 02, 2008
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: weight and balance
I also use an 80 hp franklin engine and at the time of weighing I didn't have any gas or oil on board.I also have a faily large rear wheel.I have tried to send pictures but to no avail.They are too large I guess. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: optical tach
Date: Jul 02, 2008
Hey, I need to double ck my electronic (hooked into mag) tach. I don't think it's telling the truth and I wondered if someone out there has an optical tach I could borrow or some other great idea that would help me ck it out? Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 02, 2008
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Subject: Re: rib gussets
I second the motion. After that I wouldn't trust any of the rest of that project without a thorough inspection. Did the project come with the rib jig? On 7/2/08, TGSTONE236(at)aol.com wrote: > > I bought a project in progress 2nd hand from an original estate sale.All > the work looked good ,fuselage ,tailfeathers etc. > > I decided to check the stapled gussets on the ribs.As I pulled out the > staples the gussets came off. I could not tell that there had ever been any > glue put on them and if they had been it was it was not where I could tell > it I have already mounted all the ribs on the spars so I'm redoing every > one of them (at least 300). At least I'll know they are good when I finish > redoing them. It pays to double check everything reguardless of how good it > looks to the eye. After all that will be me and probably a friend depending > on that wing to bring us back to earth safely. > > Ted Stone > > > ------------------------------ > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars<http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007> > . > > * > > * > > -- Glenn Thomas Storrs, CT http://www.flyingwood.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TGSTONE236(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 02, 2008
Subject: Re: rib gussets
I lightly sanded the gussets and the ribs where the gusset goes. Using t-88 In a message dated 7/2/2008 9:29:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, miket(at)southslope.net writes: Ted, What glue did you use? Did you lightly sand the plywood gussets before glueing them? Better ck the fuselage and tail gussetts too! That is frustrating indeed! Mike in Iowa _TGSTONE236(at)aol.com_ (mailto:TGSTONE236(at)aol.com) wrote: I bought a project in progress 2nd hand from an original estate sale.All the work looked good ,fuselage ,tailfeathers etc. I decided to check the stapled gussets on the ribs.As I pulled out the staples the gussets came off. I could not tell that there had ever been any glue put on them and if they had been it was it was not where I could tell it I have already mounted all the ribs on the spars so I'm redoing every one of them (at least 300). At least I'll know they are good when I finish redoing them. It pays to double check everything reguardless of how good it looks to the eye. After all that will be me and probably a friend depending on that wing to bring us back to earth safely. Ted Stone ____________________________________ Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient _used cars_ (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) . (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Instrument panels pilot and front cockpit
From: "MikeD" <mjdt(at)auracom.com>
Date: Jul 02, 2008
[quote="gcardinal(at)comcast.net"]Hi Tom, It is burled black walnut. Book matched and they are successive sheets so every burl in the pilots panel matches a burl in the passenger panel. Dale spent many hours working out most of these details. Greg [quote] Cool! That is exactly what I had in mind for ours, a Rolls-Royce dash type of appearance, with a finish you can see yourself in. Mike D. -------- Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191000#191000 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 02, 2008
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: 1.7 oz
An old friend of mine, Max the trapper, liked to compare birds and scissors to stupid people. As in " That scissorbill never could do anything right!" If a man is alone in the forest and he says something. Is he still wrong? Shouldn't one use heavier weight fabric on the bottom of the fuselage where the sticks and stones get flung? Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Church And, in the spirit of the late George Carlin, ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 7/1/2008 7:23 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 02, 2008
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Instrument panels pilot and front cockpit
Put in a cheap mirror and save on costly burled walnut. Just kidding. I have seen the Greg/Dale machine, and it's a knockout. We should all aspire to such detail and craftsmanship. -----Original Message----- >From: MikeD <mjdt(at)auracom.com> >Sent: Jul 2, 2008 11:03 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Instrument panels pilot and front cockpit > > >[quote="gcardinal(at)comcast.net"]Hi Tom, > > It is burled black walnut. Book matched and they are successive sheets so every burl in the pilots panel matches a burl in the passenger panel. > Dale spent many hours working out most of these details. > > Greg > > [quote] > >Cool! That is exactly what I had in mind for ours, a Rolls-Royce dash type of appearance, with a finish you can see yourself in. > >Mike D. > >-------- >Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191000#191000 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 02, 2008
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Report from Roundup
Nope, it's dead on. I think it looks that way due to the way the rad is mounted. He's just mounted the whole rad higher than normal with all of it above the fuselage instead of sunk ito it. No vent line from the top rad hose to the front of the engine either. As for the cables on the tail, The same thing was done on a number of planes, like the DH4. Maybe he thought it would look more antiquey. Clif this is a very interesting airplane. I can't put my finger on it, but isn't the wing way forward? Gene ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 02, 2008
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: cockpit combing aluminum
What gauge (thickness) have people been using for the aluminum around the cockpit over the instrument panels? I'm about ready to make these up and thought I'd ask for an opinion before I choose on my own. Thanks ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 02, 2008
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Weight and balance story...
Members... - I recently sold my Challenger Light Sport Special (LSS) 2007 long wing two place aircraft. When the buyer showed up to take possession and fly it back to-Michigan, I handed him the weight and balance for the plane. I used a standard pilot weight of 180lbs (based on visual calibrated eyeball calcul ations of most people I see during the day). - When I asked him how much he weighed....he responded with..... 150lbs and 5 '8" tall wet! Needless-to-say, I had to add 30lbs of weight in the nose of the plane to allow for the-CG to fall within acceptability. If anyone is familiar with a Challenger aircraft, when you exit the- the plane, it res t on the tail wheel similar to any tail dragger.... yet a tri-cycle gear se t up. Talk about a aft-W/B plane using the pilot as the forward ballast f or CG...... - And you wonder why I was always eating during flight! - Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP - =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 03, 2008
Subject: Re: cockpit combing aluminum
I just finished my cowling. For around the engine (model A) I used .032 3003 aluminum because I wanted to put some louvers in it and 2024 is too hard (cracks when you try to form the louvers). Then behind that I used .025 2024 aluminum. Seems thin but works just fine because the gentle bend around the instrument panel really stiffens it up. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 03, 2008
Subject: Inspiration
Hi gang, If you want some inspiration, go to _http://www.youtube.com/Taildragger7W_ (http://www.youtube.com/Taildragger7W) and watch. My down-the-taxiway neighbor just flew his Pober Jr. Ace last week for the first time after spending 13 years building it. This airplane is a cousin of a Piet. Beautiful!!! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 03, 2008
From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: GN-1 Weight & Balance
Sorry for the late post on this subject but just didn't see it earlier...I'm fortunate to have both the original and the later CAD versions of the GN-1 plans, and I've attached a copy of the page of the original plans that shows weight & balance info, specifically for N4705G. Hope it helps. Regards, John F. Richmond, TX GN-1 / Corvair 164cid ________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 47 Msgs - 07/02/08
Date: Jul 03, 2008
From: tbyh(at)aol.com
Speaking of scisoors and pairs....why do golfers wear two pair of pants? In case they get a hole in one. Happy 4th of July everyone! Fred B.? La Crosse ? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 03, 2008
Subject: looking for an engine mount
Hi all, I am looking for an engine mount for my Piet or a jig or some assistance in coming up with a suitable mounting system where hopefully the wb does not become a major factor in re design. I know tooth fairy and all that good stuff but thought I would ask is anyone had any idea or suggestions Just in case someone has a jig or design or drawing to loan its a Lycoming 0235 engine with the conical mount. My Piet is a wide body to 27" outside dimension of the longerons. Any assistance, advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks John Recine NX895BP reserved **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 03, 2008
Subject: Re: cockpit combing aluminum
Dan, You got pics? I would love to see them. I have som of that material in stock and was planning on using it for similar purposes. Thanks John Recine In a message dated 7/3/2008 5:45:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, HelsperSew(at)aol.com writes: I just finished my cowling. For around the engine (model A) I used .032 3003 aluminum because I wanted to put some louvers in it and 2024 is too hard (cracks when you try to form the louvers). Then behind that I used .025 2024 aluminum. Seems thin but works just fine because the gentle bend around the instrument panel really stiffens it up. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ____________________________________ Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient _used cars_ (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) . (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 03, 2008
Subject: Re: Inspiration
Wow, Talk about inspiration, that was great! Anybody got a match? I think I need to have a smoke after that one. Thanks for the look Dan! John In a message dated 7/3/2008 6:18:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, HelsperSew(at)aol.com writes: Hi gang, If you want some inspiration, go to _http://www.youtube.com/Taildragger7W_ (http://www.youtube.com/Taildragger7W) and watch. My down-the-taxiway neighbor just flew his Pober Jr. Ace last week for the first time after spending 13 years building it. This airplane is a cousin of a Piet. Beautiful!!! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ____________________________________ Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient _used cars_ (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) . (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: Inspiration
Date: Jul 03, 2008
eeewwwwwwww. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 9:04 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Inspiration Wow, Talk about inspiration, that was great! Anybody got a match? I think I need to have a smoke after that one. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: my hubs were lost, but now they are found!
Date: Jul 03, 2008
Well, God is good! After I filed a BIG claim with fedex, I waited two weeks and called for an status update to be told that their records show the package as being recovered back on teh 26th and delivered to Buchannans. Called Buchannans and yep, they've been there a week! Wish both companies had communicated a bit quicker, but I'm just glad they were found, and thanks for all your emails. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Oven Baked Paint
Date: Jul 03, 2008
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Happy Independence Day All, What a privilege to live in the USA! A question for those that have baked their spray painted parts in an oven. Ours is new and I was wondering if the odor ruins the stove or just lingers awhile. Was planning to use appliance paint then bake at 250 for a half hour. Thanks for the help! Jack www.textors.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: my hubs were lost, but now they are found!
Date: Jul 03, 2008
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
FANTASTIC !!! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thomas Bernie <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: GN-1 Weight & Balance
Date: Jul 03, 2008
John, The the numbers, typos and errors on your original plans are the same as my CAD plans. The final limits are almost the same, however it is a real head scratcher as to how they were derived. Assuming my GN-1 is built to specifications (I weigh 195), would you like go out and do stalls with me? Thanks, Tom EMPTY left -- 326 x 7.5 = 2445 right -- 323 x 7.5 = 2422 tail -- 30 x 169 = 5070 a/c weight = 679 moment = 9937 empty weight c. g. = 14.635 FWD a/c -- 679 x 14.635 = 9937 oil -- 8 x -23 = -184 pilot -- 170 x 53 = 9010 fuel -- 72 x -1.5 = -108 a/c weight = 929 moment = 18655 fwd c.g. = 20.08 (33.5%) AFT a/c -- 679 x 14.635 = 9937 oil -- 8 x -23 = -184 pilot -- 170 x 53 = 9010 passenger -- 170 x 24 = 4080 fuel -- 72 x -1.5 = -108 a/c weight = 1099 moment = 22735 aft c.g. = 20.7 (34.5%) On Jul 3, 2008, at 6:48 AM, John Franklin wrote: > Sorry for the late post on this subject but just didn't see it > earlier...I'm fortunate to have both the original and the later CAD > versions of the GN-1 plans, and I've attached a copy of the page of > the original plans that shows weight & balance info, specifically > for N4705G. Hope it helps. > > Regards, > John F. > Richmond, TX > GN-1 / Corvair 164cid > > ________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 03, 2008
Subject: Re: Inspiration
And I don't even smoke, it was just that good! In a message dated 7/3/2008 9:17:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eng(at)canadianrogers.com writes: eeewwwwwwww. ____________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 9:04 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Inspiration Wow, Talk about inspiration, that was great! Anybody got a match? I think I need to have a smoke after that one. (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 03, 2008
Subject: Re: Oven Baked Paint
In a message dated 7/3/2008 8:37:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com writes: "....A question for those that have baked their spray painted parts in an oven. Ours is new and I was wondering if the odor ruins the stove or just lingers awhile. Was planning to use appliance paint then bake at 250 for a half hour." Dear Jack, That depends entirely on if you are married or not. If so, do you wish to remain that way? ...Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: Oven Baked Paint
Date: Jul 03, 2008
Jack, There is an option that I recently read about, regarding baking some parts for a Corvair rebuild. The technique involves taking advantage of a day or so when one's wife is away for the day. Basically, you use the oven for your "non-food" items, and when you are finished, you run the oven through a self-clean cycle. Whatever fumes there might have been get burned off (or at least masked by that oven cleaning smell), but the oven is clean, which might win you some brownie points (depending on how out of character your actions would be). I don't think there could possibly be any residual smell from the paint. On the other hand, are you talking about the spray cans of appliance touch-up paint? I think that stuff is usually air-dry, and I'm not sure that baking it will give any benefit. Generally speaking, air-dry paints are supposed to be dried at normal room temperature (roughly), and baking enamels (which are more durable) must be baked to cure properly. Then there is powdercoating, which is a tough finish that can only cure by baking (basically the heat melts the powder onto the metal, forming a mechanical bond rather than the chemical bond with most paints). One other option for a tough paint finish is epoxy, which does not need to be baked. Here's a link to the website, by a former Piet lister, Robert Haines: http://www.hainesengineering.com/rhaines/corvair.htm Bill C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Oven Baked Paint
Date: Jul 03, 2008
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Jack, We met her last summer at Brodhead and she's not going to leave you. Any wife who endures Brodhead is greatly committed. One who endures and enjoys is should be committed:)) Bake away I say !!!!!!!! Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 03, 2008
Subject: Re: Oven Baked Paint
One quick thing about chemicals and the oven (besides the obvious). If you have a pet bird, don't do this. Birds are light, in order to be light they have very little body fluids.. very little blood, small efficient organs. They used them in mines because they succumb very quickly to toxins. Most bird owners do not cook with teflon because of this. No telling what is going to outgas from the paint even at 250 degF. We have to take "Kitty" out of the house for the day when we run the self-cleaning cycle on the oven because of the oven's non-stick coating and +500degF temps during this cycle. Randi with "Kitty".... ...Chrissi **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fedex Issues
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 03, 2008
I worry about this sort of thing. Awaiting several thousand dollars worth of long lead-time engine parts. No idea when the parts ship. Maybe today. Maybe 6 months from now. Maybe 6 months ago... :-( The subdivision where I live has a lot of similarly named streets. "Blackhawk Road", "Blackhawk Street", "Blackhawk Way", etc. I frequently get mail intended for somebody else. Came home one time and somebodies dog was tied up in my yard. The address on it's tag was for somebody else's house, but the number was the same as my house (the only difference being "street" versus "avenue"). Patrick -------- Patrick 601XL/Corvair N63PZ (reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191139#191139 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 03, 2008
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: looking for an engine mount
John, - If you try this individual, -Greg Klemp--Tel: 920.293.8089---at Specialty Welding (you can do an Internet search and should find his web s ite) he is just the man you need. As I recall, -he was the individual beh ind the scenes for many aircraft engine mounts-to include Sonex and other kit plane manufacturers. Excellent workmanship, very price conscious, and a pilot understanding the needs of builder. - He welds aluminum, magnesium, mild and cast, Heliarc, wire feed, stick, and gas. Other services include: Building engine mounts from prints, custom building exhaust to specifications, and building fuel tanks. I have utilized his se rvices for other aircraft and he comes highly recommended. - Heck, if you mention my name you could either get a higher price or maybe a lower price.....either way you will get it right and a very professional r esults. If anything it is worth a chit-chat over the phone... - Hope this helps.... - Ken H Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP - --- On Thu, 7/3/08, AMsafetyC(at)aol.com wrote: From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com <AMsafetyC(at)aol.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: looking for an engine mount Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 7:50 AM Hi all, - I am looking for an engine mount for my Piet or a jig or some assistance in coming up with a suitable mounting system where hopefully the wb does not become a major factor in re design. I know tooth fairy and all that good st uff but thought I would ask is anyone had any idea or suggestions- - Just in case someone-has a jig or design or drawing to loan its a Lycomin g 0235 engine with the conical mount. My-Piet is a wide body to 27" outsi de dimension of the longerons. - Any assistance, advice would be greatly appreciated. - - Thanks - John Recine NX895BP reserved- Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 03, 2008
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Inspiration
That is such a cool lookin aircraft!=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0A From: "AMsafetyC(at)aol.com" <AMsafetyC(at)aol.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronic s.com=0ASent: Thursday, July 3, 2008 9:04:26 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-Li st: Inspiration=0A=0AWow,=0A-=0ATalk about inspiration, that was great! A nybody got a match? I think I need to have a smoke after that one.=0A-=0A Thanks for the look Dan!=0A-=0AJohn=0A-=0AIn a message dated 7/3/2008 6 :18:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, HelsperSew(at)aol.com writes:=0AHi gang,=0A -=0AIf you want some inspiration, go to http://www.youtube.com/Taildragge r7W-and watch. My down-the-taxiway neighbor just flew his Pober Jr. Ace l ast week for the first time after spending 13 years building it. This airpl ane is a cousin of a Piet. Beautiful!!! =0A-=0ADan Helsper=0APoplar Grove , IL.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AGas prices getting y ou down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars.=0A=0A=0Ahref="htt p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matron.matronics .com/">http://forums.matronics.com=0A://www.matronics.com/contribution">htt p://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____________________ ____________=0AGas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-effic ============= ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 1.7 oz. fabric (was Poly Fiber)
Date: Jul 03, 2008
I asked my friend Jeff Scott (A&P, builder/pilot of several homebuilts including fabric, EAA Tech Counselor) about the use of 1.7 oz. fabric. Indeed, Ceconite had (or has) a product that they call "Ceconite Light", which they say is "a 1.7 oz. fabric designed for ultralights, gliders, and certified light aircraft with a wing loading of less than 9 pounds per square foot. It can usually be used on light planes with engines less than 85 HP. Do not use on aircraft with high wing loadings or big engines. Meets TSO C-14b" (from the Ceconite manual; I've sent Matt the .pdf scan of this page from the Ceconite manual for uploading to the Piet list file share). I assume that the PolyFiber (Stits) 1.7 oz. fabric is similar to, if not identical to, the Ceconite material. The specs for the Pietenpol Air Camper are for a gross weight of 1,081 lbs., wing area of 140 s.f., and of course most are powered with 85 HP or smaller engines. The specified wing loading works out to less than 8 lbs./s.f. The wing loading has to do with how stressed the fabric covering on the wings will be, and I assume that the recommended max horsepower has to do with how much torsional strength the fuselage needs to have as well as how much it will see in the way of slipstream and prop wash buffeting, but that's just a guess. You can use heavier fabric but I don't believe it's necessary. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 03, 2008
Subject: Mr. Santiago Morete
Hi everyone, I am honored to announce, that after many months of jumping through hoops for the American Embassy, in order to get a visa to enter the U.S., Mr. Santiago Morete from Santa Rosa, Argentina, will be accompanying me to this year's Brodhead Pietenpol Gathering. It is a dream come true for him and will be his first visit to the U.S. We will be arriving on Friday morning via my Aeronca Sedan (weather permitting). As many of you know, he and his older brother have been working on their Piet for some time. If you go to Chris Tracy's site (westcoastpiet.com) you can see the quality work they are doing. If you get a chance please try to give him a warm American welcome to the U.S., and introduce yourself. I am sure he will really appreciate it! See you there!! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: appliance epoxy
Date: Jul 04, 2008
Jack, I'm married and have been using appliance epoxy (the spray cans available at most hardware stores) and baking it for about 20 minutes in our kitchen oven. There might be some odor but it's pretty minimal. My wife who has a sense of smell on par with a bloodhound has never complained. I must admit timing my "culinary experiments" for right about the time she leaves the house for a while. There is a big difference in the hardness of the paint between baking and unbaked. Unbaked I can scratch it with my nail, baked I cannot. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: appliance epoxy
Date: Jul 04, 2008
Douwe, Do you also bake at 250deg.? Happy 4th! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, working on fuselage (10 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 5:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: appliance epoxy Jack, I'm married and have been using appliance epoxy (the spray cans available at most hardware stores) and baking it for about 20 minutes in our kitchen oven. There might be some odor but it's pretty minimal. My wife who has a sense of smell on par with a bloodhound has never complained. I must admit timing my "culinary experiments" for right about the time she leaves the house for a while. There is a big difference in the hardness of the paint between baking and unbaked. Unbaked I can scratch it with my nail, baked I cannot. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 04, 2008
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw:Dick Carden is needing help.
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP - --- On Fri, 7/4/08, Dick Carden wrote: From: Dick Carden <flywrite(at)verizon.net> Subject: Message Posting Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 7:37 AM Ken: For some reason, I'm unable to post a message to the Piet list, and I wonder if you'd be so kind as to post it for me while I try to figure out what I'm doing wrong, or where the glitch is. The message Ive been tryin g to post follows: I made the dumb mistake of leaving my car unlocked with my briefcase on the front floorboard. I wasnt gone five minutes, but that s all it took. It was a really old, beat up briefcase, and for years Id carrie d it there, thinking no one would want it. One catch was broken, one corner brok en so that you could see inside. I just used it to carry stuff between hangar and home. Unfortunately, this time I had most of my set of GN-1 plans. Theyr e no longer available from Grega, so Im in a real fix, and I need help. Iv e finished the tail feathers the fuselage is on wheels, but Ive only just gotten started on the wings. Ive got the ribs on the spars of the left w ing. Ive made all the metal parts, but without the plans I dont know the placement dimensions on the spars. Does anyone have set of wing that I coul d buy, rent, or borrow? I can probably figure out the missing fuselage info, but Id sure appreciate some help with the wings. Dick Carden.=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fw:Dick Carden is needing help.
From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 04, 2008
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Subject: Re: Fw:Dick Carden is needing help.
From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 04, 2008
Any idea what to make of this Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 18:32:06 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw:Dick Carden is needing help. Not too certain how much help this may be but I have a scan of my Piet drawings if needed. I don't know how different they are from the GN1 but they may be of help if no one has a set of GN1 prints to offer Let me know off line. Please be advised this is not a general offer nor is it intended to violate the trust agreement between myself and the Pieten family in the reproduction and or sale of intelectual property. Just trying to help another builder in a bind That's about the best I can do John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:42:47 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw:Dick Carden is needing help. Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP --- On Fri, 7/4/08, Dick Carden wrote: From: Dick Carden <flywrite(at)verizon.net> Subject: Message Posting Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 7:37 AM Ken: For some reason, I'm unable to post a message to the Piet list, and I wonder if you'd be so kind as to post it for me while I try to figure out what I'm doing wrong, or where the glitch is. The message Ie been trying to post follows: I made the dumb mistake of leaving my car unlocked with my briefcase on the front floorboard. I wasn gone five minutes, but that all it took. It was a really old, beat up briefcase, and for years I carried it there, thinking no one would want it. One catch was broken, one corner broken so that you could see inside. I just used it to carry stuff between hangar and home. Unfortunately, this time I had most of my set of GN-1 plans. Theye no longer available from Grega, so I in a real fix, and I need help. Ie finished the tail feathers the fuselage is on wheels, but Ie only just gotten started on the wings. Ie got the ribs on the spars of the left wing. Ie made all the metal parts, but without the plans I don know the placement dimensions on the spars. Does anyone have set of wing that I could buy, rent, or borrow? I can probably figure out the missing fuselage info, but I sure appreciate some help with the wings. Dick Carden. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Fw:Dick Carden is needing help.
Date: Jul 04, 2008
John, I think you have violated the trust and respect of the whole Pietenpol community by making this offer. You will now have to be shunned from this list for 6 months, you will not be allowed to attend Brodhead for three years (unless you fly your Pietenpol there), and you will have to give up your Verizon Wireless BlackBerry for a year. I'm sorry but we must do this for you own good. Don't worry about Dick, I just sent him an email offering to send him a copy of my GN-1 plans. He already had a set of plans and I will never build from mine so I think its safe. If not, he will just be keeping my backup copy, which you can make legally, in case anything happens to the originals. When I bought my GN-1 plans in 1998, they were only $25. Mr. Grega was defiantly not making any money on the plans. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 11:55 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw:Dick Carden is needing help. > > Any idea what to make of this > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com> > > Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 18:32:06 > To: > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw:Dick Carden is needing help. > > > Not too certain how much help this may be but I have a scan of my Piet > drawings if needed. I don't know how different they are from the GN1 but > they may be of help if no one has a set of GN1 prints to offer > > > Let me know off line. Please be advised this is not a general offer nor is > it intended to violate the trust agreement between myself and the Pieten > family in the reproduction and or sale of intelectual property. Just > trying to help another builder in a bind > > That's about the best I can do > > John > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> > > Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:42:47 > To: Pietenpol > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw:Dick Carden is needing help. > > > Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP > > > --- On Fri, 7/4/08, Dick Carden wrote: > > From: Dick Carden <flywrite(at)verizon.net> > Subject: Message Posting > To: kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com > Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 7:37 AM > > Ken: For some reason, I'm unable to post a message to the Piet list, and I > wonder if you'd be so kind as to post it for me while I try to figure out > what I'm doing wrong, or where the glitch is. The message Ie been trying > to post follows: I made the dumb mistake of leaving my car unlocked with > my > briefcase on the front floorboard. I wasn gone five minutes, but that all > it took. It was a really old, beat up briefcase, and for years I carried > it > there, thinking no one would want it. One catch was broken, one corner > broken > so that you could see inside. I just used it to carry stuff between hangar > and > home. Unfortunately, this time I had most of my set of GN-1 plans. Theye > no > longer available from Grega, so I in a real fix, and I need help. Ie > finished the tail feathers the fuselage is on wheels, but Ie only just > gotten started on the wings. Ie got the ribs on the spars of the left > wing. > Ie made all the metal parts, but without the plans I don know the > placement dimensions on the spars. Does anyone have set of wing that I > could > buy, rent, or borrow? I can probably figure out the missing fuselage info, > but > I sure appreciate some help with the wings. Dick Carden. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 04, 2008
From: tom sargent <sarg314(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Larry Cowell's Pietenpol
Forgive the spam, please, but I'm trying to help out an old friend. Some of you may know Larry Cowell of Tucson. (He tells me he's given rides to 300 people, some of which I'm sure went on to build a plane themselves.) Larry, a P-51 pilot from WWII, built his Piet in 1976, using a Lyc O-145-B2. For health reasons, Larry now finds it necessary to sell his nifty red airplane. You can get all the details and see pictures and contact info at http://www.nixiebunny.com/pietenpol/ Thanks, -- Tom Sargent, Tucson ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fw:Dick Carden is needing help.
From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 04, 2008
I suppose a mans got to do what a mans got to do Certainly did not want to endanger my piet membership but it was a fellow lover of the blue that might be in need of assistance Smile son we don't want to disconcert th masses! John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: <catdesigns(at)att.net> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:47:31 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw:Dick Carden is needing help. John, I think you have violated the trust and respect of the whole Pietenpol community by making this offer. You will now have to be shunned from this list for 6 months, you will not be allowed to attend Brodhead for three years (unless you fly your Pietenpol there), and you will have to give up your Verizon Wireless BlackBerry for a year. I'm sorry but we must do this for you own good. Don't worry about Dick, I just sent him an email offering to send him a copy of my GN-1 plans. He already had a set of plans and I will never build from mine so I think its safe. If not, he will just be keeping my backup copy, which you can make legally, in case anything happens to the originals. When I bought my GN-1 plans in 1998, they were only $25. Mr. Grega was defiantly not making any money on the plans. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 11:55 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw:Dick Carden is needing help. > > Any idea what to make of this > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com> > > Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 18:32:06 > To: > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw:Dick Carden is needing help. > > > Not too certain how much help this may be but I have a scan of my Piet > drawings if needed. I don't know how different they are from the GN1 but > they may be of help if no one has a set of GN1 prints to offer > > > Let me know off line. Please be advised this is not a general offer nor is > it intended to violate the trust agreement between myself and the Pieten > family in the reproduction and or sale of intelectual property. Just > trying to help another builder in a bind > > That's about the best I can do > > John > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> > > Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:42:47 > To: Pietenpol > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw:Dick Carden is needing help. > > > Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP > > > --- On Fri, 7/4/08, Dick Carden wrote: > > From: Dick Carden <flywrite(at)verizon.net> > Subject: Message Posting > To: kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com > Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 7:37 AM > > Ken: For some reason, I'm unable to post a message to the Piet list, and I > wonder if you'd be so kind as to post it for me while I try to figure out > what I'm doing wrong, or where the glitch is. The message Ie been trying > to post follows: I made the dumb mistake of leaving my car unlocked with > my > briefcase on the front floorboard. I wasn gone five minutes, but that all > it took. It was a really old, beat up briefcase, and for years I carried > it > there, thinking no one would want it. One catch was broken, one corner > broken > so that you could see inside. I just used it to carry stuff between hangar > and > home. Unfortunately, this time I had most of my set of GN-1 plans. Theye > no > longer available from Grega, so I in a real fix, and I need help. Ie > finished the tail feathers the fuselage is on wheels, but Ie only just > gotten started on the wings. Ie got the ribs on the spars of the left > wing. > Ie made all the metal parts, but without the plans I don know the > placement dimensions on the spars. Does anyone have set of wing that I > could > buy, rent, or borrow? I can probably figure out the missing fuselage info, > but > I sure appreciate some help with the wings. Dick Carden. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Fw:Dick Carden is needing help.
Date: Jul 04, 2008
Must try to resist.... Must try to resist... "He's just passing through, passing through." The Mediocre John Hofmann John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com On Jul 4, 2008, at 6:28 PM, John Recine wrote: > > > I suppose a mans got to do what a mans got to do > > Certainly did not want to endanger my piet membership but it was a > fellow lover of the blue that might be in need of assistance > > Smile son we don't want to disconcert th masses! > > John > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: <catdesigns(at)att.net> > > Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:47:31 > To: > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw:Dick Carden is needing help. > > > John, > > I think you have violated the trust and respect of the whole Pietenpol > community by making this offer. You will now have to be shunned > from this > list for 6 months, you will not be allowed to attend Brodhead for > three > years (unless you fly your Pietenpol there), and you will have to > give up > your Verizon Wireless BlackBerry for a year. > > I'm sorry but we must do this for you own good. > > Don't worry about Dick, I just sent him an email offering to send > him a copy > of my GN-1 plans. He already had a set of plans and I will never > build from > mine so I think its safe. If not, he will just be keeping my backup > copy, > which you can make legally, in case anything happens to the > originals. When > I bought my GN-1 plans in 1998, they were only $25. Mr. Grega was > defiantly not making any money on the plans. > > Chris Tracy > Sacramento, Ca > Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com> > To: > Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 11:55 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw:Dick Carden is needing help. > > >> > >> >> Any idea what to make of this >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com> >> >> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 18:32:06 >> To: >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw:Dick Carden is needing help. >> >> >> Not too certain how much help this may be but I have a scan of my >> Piet >> drawings if needed. I don't know how different they are from the >> GN1 but >> they may be of help if no one has a set of GN1 prints to offer >> >> >> Let me know off line. Please be advised this is not a general offer >> nor is >> it intended to violate the trust agreement between myself and the >> Pieten >> family in the reproduction and or sale of intelectual property. Just >> trying to help another builder in a bind >> >> That's about the best I can do >> >> John >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> >> >> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:42:47 >> To: Pietenpol >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw:Dick Carden is needing help. >> >> >> >> >> >> Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP >> >> >> >> >> >> --- On Fri, 7/4/08, Dick Carden wrote: >> >> From: Dick Carden <flywrite(at)verizon.net> >> Subject: Message Posting >> To: kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com >> Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 7:37 AM >> >> Ken: For some reason, I'm unable to post a message to the Piet >> list, and I >> wonder if you'd be so kind as to post it for me while I try to >> figure out >> what I'm doing wrong, or where the glitch is. The message Ie been >> trying >> to post follows: I made the dumb mistake of leaving my car unlocked >> with >> my >> briefcase on the front floorboard. I wasn gone five minutes, but >> that all >> it took. It was a really old, beat up briefcase, and for years I >> carried >> it >> there, thinking no one would want it. One catch was broken, one >> corner >> broken >> so that you could see inside. I just used it to carry stuff between >> hangar >> and >> home. Unfortunately, this time I had most of my set of GN-1 plans. >> Theye >> no >> longer available from Grega, so I in a real fix, and I need help. Ie >> finished the tail feathers the fuselage is on wheels, but Ie only >> just >> gotten started on the wings. Ie got the ribs on the spars of the left >> wing. >> Ie made all the metal parts, but without the plans I don know the >> placement dimensions on the spars. Does anyone have set of wing >> that I >> could >> buy, rent, or borrow? I can probably figure out the missing >> fuselage info, >> but >> I sure appreciate some help with the wings. Dick Carden. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: appliance epoxy
Date: Jul 05, 2008
Hey Gary, I actually have been baking down around 220 or so and it's been working fine. D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: July BPA Newsletter
Date: Jul 05, 2008
Howdy, low 'n' slow fliers; today's mail brought the latest issue of Doc and Dee Mosher's "BPA Newsletter", and it's another good one. Always nice to receive it, read it, look at the pictures, and enjoy Piets new and old. This issue has a striking wedding photo of Bernard Pietenpol and his then-new wife, and what a handsome couple they made. So unlike today's splash-and-dash "marriages", eh? I have emailed Doc about a classified ad that he placed in the back of this issue, offering a 90% complete Air Camper less engine. He doesn't usually do too much emailing so I thought I'd ask if anybody on the list knows anything about this project. I assume that it's his own, since his name and phone number are given, but I'd appreciate any info on it. See, I just got my newly overhauled A75 engine and that means I now have two engines and one Piet ;o) PS, in between the afternoon's galloping summer thunder squalls, I took 41CC up for a recon mission and some landing practice. Airplane and pilot both completed the mission well and dutifully, and all onlookers were pleased to see the airplane out defending the northwest corners of Bexar County, Texas. Two interlopers were spotted... a Diamond DA-20 and a V-tailed Bonanza, but both left the area hastily after they saw 41CC's colors ;o) Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 06, 2008
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Brekfast flight with my Bride
This morning was beutiful for flying the Piet.- Woke up at 8 or so and to ld my wife we should fly to breakfast, and she said OK.- We flew up to Bu tler Ohio "Swank Field", which is not on any charts and walked down an old railroad bed which is now a bike trail for about 1/2 mile and ate at the Wh iffle Tree Resturant.- The cool thing I missed however, was a group of ho mebuilts that arived at my home strip as my engine was warming up.- A "Bo bcat", a Carlson Sparrow, and a Curtiss Robbin replica with a continental o n it.- At first I thought it was a piet, but as it flew by the end of the runway I saw it was a Robbin.- If I am ....We are lucky we'll all have w eather like this on our ways to Brodhead in 3 weeks.- Even with 2 people on board NX92GB was cruising at a good 70+mph in glassy smooth air.- Let me know who will be flying up through here on their way to Brodhead, our 1s t planned stop is Van Wert Ohio at about 9am or so on thursday the 24th.- That is where I turn the rains over to my "Old Man" and sit my butt in the truck for a few hours untill his butt gets tired of the plywood seat.- L et me know if anyone is gonna be in the vicinity of the RT 30 corridor. - Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: piet on Craigs list
Date: Jul 06, 2008
not mine just pasing it on 4500$ http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/for/743835996.html ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 06, 2008
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Bell Crank update
Fellow Pieter's - Here are a few of photos of my bell crank set-up. I like the looks-of Dic k Navratil outside linkage set-up for the elevator so much that I stole his idea!! Enjoy the photos and any constructive criticisms-are welcomed!- Note* -I did clear the front edge of the stabilizer using Dick's design. Hence the several mock-ups and measure/re-measure before install points fou nd. I have about 3/4" of an inch from the top of my tail cross brace to the top of the bell crank..... - The question I do have is..... what type of connection (photos) have most o f you been using for the bell crank to cable hook-up? I understand the plan s making mention of-a clevis pin and hook connection....but what have oth ers used-in this application?- Seems to me an adjustable fork or other similar connection would be much more desirable for adjustment. Photos welc ome.- Village idiot - Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP - =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Scott Schreiber" <got22b(at)subarubrat.com>
Subject: Re: Bell Crank update
Date: Jul 08, 2008
Are your elevator control horns the stock length? What length are your control horns at the externals? Are the throws stock? -Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP To: Pietenpol Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 10:25 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bell Crank update Fellow Pieter's Here are a few of photos of my bell crank set-up. I like the looks of Dick Navratil outside linkage set-up for the elevator so much that I stole his idea!! Enjoy the photos and any constructive criticisms are welcomed! Note* I did clear the front edge of the stabilizer using Dick's design. Hence the several mock-ups and measure/re-measure before install points found. I have about 3/4" of an inch from the top of my tail cross brace to the top of the bell crank..... The question I do have is..... what type of connection (photos) have most of you been using for the bell crank to cable hook-up? I understand the plans making mention of a clevis pin and hook connection....but what have others used in this application? Seems to me an adjustable fork or other similar connection would be much more desirable for adjustment. Photos welcome. Village idiot Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jul 08, 2008
Well, since the list seems pretty dead the last couple of days, and Brodhead is basically only two weeks away, I thought I'd throw out the ol' "Who's planning to attend this year?" question. If you are planning to be there, are you flying a Piet? or something else? or are you driving? or cycling? or walking? Since I brought it up, I'll start: I'll be driving through the night with my 17-year old son, for a Friday morning arrival. Who's next? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191855#191855 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 09, 2008
Well Ill be driving in from parts unknown and am bringing a buddy who with any luck will be invited to a Piet ride from someone I hope John Recine And if he really hates it he'll get a second ride for free ------Original Message------ From: Bill Church Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Jul 8, 2008 7:58 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call Well, since the list seems pretty dead the last couple of days, and Brodhead is basically only two weeks away, I thought I'd throw out the ol' "Who's planning to attend this year?" question. If you are planning to be there, are you flying a Piet? or something else? or are you driving? or cycling? or walking? Since I brought it up, I'll start: I'll be driving through the night with my 17-year old son, for a Friday morning arrival. Who's next? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191855#191855 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2008
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
I'm taking advantage of the great rates EAA has with Midwest Airlines and flying into Milwaukee commercial. My Piet is about a year from its first flight, and I don't have the time to make the flight in the Baby Ace. I'll be there Friday afternoon, and stay till Sunday afternoon, then head up to Oskosh. I'm staying overnight in Monroe at a motel. I'm really looking forward to meeting you all, and I'd really love to catch a ride to motivate me on the home stretch of my project. Anyone else planning to head to Oshkosh after Brodhead? I have a room in the dorms reserved up there. Ben Charvet Mims, Fl 1955 Baby Ace N39D Pietenpol,all structures complete, nearly ready for covering NX866BC reserved Bill Church wrote: > > Well, since the list seems pretty dead the last couple of days, and Brodhead is basically only two weeks away, I thought I'd throw out the ol' "Who's planning to attend this year?" question. > If you are planning to be there, are you flying a Piet? or something else? or are you driving? or cycling? or walking? > Since I brought it up, I'll start: > I'll be driving through the night with my 17-year old son, for a Friday morning arrival. > Who's next? > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191855#191855 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
Subject: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Date: Jul 08, 2008
Is there a specific website with logistical details? Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 08, 2008
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Randi and I shall be there Friday Regards, Chrissi & Randi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Date: Jul 08, 2008
I'm planning to fly my Pietenpol there, weather permitting. 18 hours each way (going the southern route around the mountains, rather than straight over them). Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:59 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call Well, since the list seems pretty dead the last couple of days, and Brodhead is basically only two weeks away, I thought I'd throw out the ol' "Who's planning to attend this year?" question. If you are planning to be there, are you flying a Piet? or something else? or are you driving? or cycling? or walking? Since I brought it up, I'll start: I'll be driving through the night with my 17-year old son, for a Friday morning arrival. Who's next? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191855#191855 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 08, 2008
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Pat, hope to see you there, we have managed to miss each other at Osh & SNF so far =) Regards, Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 7/8/2008 8:00:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, panzera@experimental-aviation.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com> Is there a specific website with logistical details? Pat **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gardiner Mason" <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Date: Jul 08, 2008
I am planning on flying to brodhead in my cessna 140. I want to leave on the 23rd if I am held up by the weather. I am flying from Lagrange, Ga. and it should take me about 7 hrs. Cheers, Gardiner Mason ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:58 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call > > > Well, since the list seems pretty dead the last couple of days, and > Brodhead is basically only two weeks away, I thought I'd throw out the ol' > "Who's planning to attend this year?" question. > If you are planning to be there, are you flying a Piet? or something > else? or are you driving? or cycling? or walking? > Since I brought it up, I'll start: > I'll be driving through the night with my 17-year old son, for a Friday > morning arrival. > Who's next? > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191855#191855 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
Subject: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Date: Jul 08, 2008
I'm considering joining in as I' still want to do an all Pietenpol issue of CONTACT! Magazine, But if I don't make it, be sure and look me up at OSH in hangar C, booth 3109, right in the middle of the middle row or drop by my forum: http://www.airventure.org/forums/presenter.asp?EventID=12 <http://www.airventure.org/forums/presenter.asp?EventID=12&PresenterID=1516> &PresenterID=1516 Pat Pat, hope to see you there, we have managed to miss each other at Osh & SNF so far =) Regards, Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 7/8/2008 8:00:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, panzera@experimental-aviation.com writes: <panzera@experimental-aviation.com> Is there a specific website with logistical ======================== _____ Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars <http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007> . ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: off topic: Waldo Pepper in Texas
Date: Jul 08, 2008
Mailman just delivered my very own VHS videotape of "The Great Waldo Pepper", used but in excellent condition. Set me back less than $20 including shipping. Now to transfer it to DVD so I won't have to deal with tape! We will soon see what all the fuss is about... Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 08, 2008
Subject: Re: off topic: Waldo Pepper in Texas
Praise the lord In a message dated 7/8/2008 9:58:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga Mailman just delivered my very own VHS videotape of "The Great Waldo Pepper", used but in excellent condition. Set me back less than $20 including shipping. Now to transfer it to DVD so I won't have to deal with tape! We will soon see what all the fuss is about... Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 08, 2008
Subject: Re: off topic: Waldo Pepper in Texas
Oscar its not a fuss, however if it doesn't inspire you, make you laugh wonder and long for the golden age I for one would be surprised. you must remember though that the biplane is an antique dead as the dodo bird In a message dated 7/8/2008 9:58:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga Mailman just delivered my very own VHS videotape of "The Great Waldo Pepper", used but in excellent condition. Set me back less than $20 including shipping. Now to transfer it to DVD so I won't have to deal with tape! We will soon see what all the fuss is about... Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Date: Jul 08, 2008
The local airspace has been invaded by so many "bogies" lately that 41CC and I decided to stay in the area and protect the citizens against terrorism ;o) Seriously, I am busy up to my ears at work right now and can't take the time off to fly up this year, despite my best efforts to block time out to go. The airplane is ready and willing, my -er- "seat cushion" is at least up to the flight as long as I promise to stop every 2 hours or so, but I simply can't take the time off right now. I hope the TACOs and honorary members are represented around the table when pint glasses are hoisted (or whatever they drink in Brodhead to clear the dust from their throats). Maybe next year. I think I need to retire so I can have time to do fun stuff ;o) I spoke with Doc Mosher on the phone last night and he described the project he has for sale. Sounds like a really nice, complete, clean project just waiting for an engine to finish it up, and me with a 0 SMOH A75 sitting in my hangar in the crate! I keep trying to talk myself into it. Only a couple of thousand miles to drive up to Neenah with a trailer. Heck, Corky did it; why can't I??? Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Date: Jul 08, 2008
Arriving on Thursday with J3 NC98872, weather permitting. Shouldn't be a problem as it is only an hour away. Ground support provided by Glenn Thomas. Arriving to holler out "Hello Good People!" -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com On Jul 8, 2008, at 6:58 PM, Bill Church wrote: > > > > Well, since the list seems pretty dead the last couple of days, and > Brodhead is basically only two weeks away, I thought I'd throw out > the ol' "Who's planning to attend this year?" question. > If you are planning to be there, are you flying a Piet? or > something else? or are you driving? or cycling? or walking? > Since I brought it up, I'll start: > I'll be driving through the night with my 17-year old son, for a > Friday morning arrival. > Who's next? > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191855#191855 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 08, 2008
I'll be driving down Friday morning and camping until Sunday. Then on to Oshkosh for a week. My favorite time of the year. :D - Pat -------- Patrick 601XL/Corvair N63PZ (reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191885#191885 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Date: Jul 08, 2008
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
I will be arriving on Friday morning in my Aeronca Sedan along with Santiago from Argentina. Staying till Saturday night, flying back to Poplar Grove to sleep at home, then driving up to OSH on Sunday morning. Really looking forward to it!!!! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL - Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191855#191855 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Brodhead
Date: Jul 08, 2008
I am planning on arriving on Thur and leaving on Sun and then driving to OSH. No one has ever brought up group camping at OSH, any interest? Dick N. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
From: "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net>
Date: Jul 08, 2008
Dan Wilson, driving arrival Friday noon - Sun morning then on to Oshkosh. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191892#191892 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: off topic: Waldo Pepper in Texas
Date: Jul 08, 2008
"I usually choose someone who shows more enthusiasm." John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com On Jul 8, 2008, at 9:06 PM, AmsafetyC(at)aol.com wrote: > Oscar its not a fuss, however if it doesn't inspire you, make you > laugh wonder and long for the golden age I for one would be > surprised. you must remember though that the biplane is an antique > dead as the dodo bird > > In a message dated 7/8/2008 9:58:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, taildrags(at)hotmail.com > writes: > > > > > Mailman just delivered my very own VHS videotape of "The Great Waldo > Pepper", used but in excellent condition. Set me back less than $20 > including shipping. Now to transfer it to DVD so I won't have to > deal with tape! > > We will soon see what all the fuss is about... > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at ======================= > e the es y --> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS > nbsp; - List Contribution Web > Site ; ======================== > > > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient > used cars. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2008
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Good to hear the project is in nice, clean condition (not that one would expect anything different from Doc). I should have a few bucks coming from an insurance settlement eventually (I was "doored" coming home from work on my bicycle a few weeks ago, garnering a nice hole in my chest, amongst other wounds). Depending on how long that takes I may try to snatch it away from you ;). I think if I we stop using the living room ceiling fan I could store the wings up there...hmm.... We'll be at the airport (Brodhead) Friday morning bright and early, and heading to OSH Sunday evening (hopefully with a stop at the Falcon Automotive open house in Fitchburg on Sunday afternoon). We can't wait! Ryan On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:16 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > I think I need to retire so I can have time to do fun stuff ;o) I spoke > with Doc Mosher on the phone last night and he described the project he has > for sale. Sounds like a really nice, complete, clean project just waiting > for an engine to finish it up, and me with a 0 SMOH A75 sitting in my hangar > in the crate! I keep trying to talk myself into it. Only a couple of > thousand miles to drive up to Neenah with a trailer. Heck, Corky did it; > why can't I??? > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Date: Jul 08, 2008
Dale Johnson and Greg Cardinal will be there with NX18235. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:58 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call > > > Well, since the list seems pretty dead the last couple of days, and > Brodhead is basically only two weeks away, I thought I'd throw out the ol' > "Who's planning to attend this year?" question. > If you are planning to be there, are you flying a Piet? or something > else? or are you driving? or cycling? or walking? > Since I brought it up, I'll start: > I'll be driving through the night with my 17-year old son, for a Friday > morning arrival. > Who's next? > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191855#191855 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2008
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Bell Crank update
Scott, - The inside control horn is the correct length. The outside control horns ar e a bit longer as will the control arms on the elevator be matched to the s ame length. This way it will not effect the throw of the elevator. as long as everything is kept in the same geometry, it should work out just fine. Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP - --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Scott Schreiber wrote: From: Scott Schreiber <got22b(at)subarubrat.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bell Crank update Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 12:05 PM Are your elevator control horns the stock length? What length are your cont rol horns at the externals? Are the throws stock? - -Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 10:25 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bell Crank update Fellow Pieter's - Here are a few of photos of my bell crank set-up. I like the looks-of Dic k Navratil outside linkage set-up for the elevator so much that I stole his idea!! Enjoy the photos and any constructive criticisms-are welcomed!- Note* -I did clear the front edge of the stabilizer using Dick's design. Hence the several mock-ups and measure/re-measure before install points fou nd. I have about 3/4" of an inch from the top of my tail cross brace to the top of the bell crank..... - The question I do have is..... what type of connection (photos) have most o f you been using for the bell crank to cable hook-up? I understand the plan s making mention of-a clevis pin and hook connection....but what have oth ers used-in this application?- Seems to me an adjustable fork or other similar connection would be much more desirable for adjustment. Photos welc ome.- Village idiot - Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP - =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Date: Jul 09, 2008
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Jack and Susan (who put up with baking painted parts last weekend) will be arriving Friday with the Suburban and pop-up departing Saturday or Sunday to OSH. Jack www.textors.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Waldo Pepper in Texas
Date: Jul 09, 2008
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
"I usually choose someone who shows more enthusiasm." 'But in your case I'll make and exception. What's your name son ?" "Scooter" ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <GeneRambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Date: Jul 09, 2008
Planning on arriving on Friday, maybe a trip to OSH on sunday. Gene Rambo ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Date: Jul 09, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
Congratulations, Gardiner. For the first time in weeks I can actually read one of your posts to the list. Did you do anything different, or did Matte change something on the listserver? I look forward to seeing you at Brodhead. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gardiner Mason Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call I am planning on flying to brodhead in my cessna 140. I want to leave on the 23rd if I am held up by the weather. I am flying from Lagrange, Ga. and it should take me about 7 hrs. Cheers, Gardiner Mason ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:58 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call > > > Well, since the list seems pretty dead the last couple of days, and > Brodhead is basically only two weeks away, I thought I'd throw out the ol' > "Who's planning to attend this year?" question. > If you are planning to be there, are you flying a Piet? or something > else? or are you driving? or cycling? or walking? > Since I brought it up, I'll start: > I'll be driving through the night with my 17-year old son, for a Friday > morning arrival. > Who's next? > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191855#191855 > > > _________________________________________________ or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Date: Jul 09, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
Oscar, I'm ashamed of you. You are going to let something as trivial as "work" interfere with something spiritual like Brodhead? You can work anytime. Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call The local airspace has been invaded by so many "bogies" lately that 41CC and I decided to stay in the area and protect the citizens against terrorism ;o) Seriously, I am busy up to my ears at work right now and can't take the time off to fly up this year, despite my best efforts to block time out to go. The airplane is ready and willing, my -er- "seat cushion" is at least up to the flight as long as I promise to stop every 2 hours or so, but I simply can't take the time off right now. I hope the TACOs and honorary members are represented around the table when pint glasses are hoisted (or whatever they drink in Brodhead to clear the dust from their throats). Maybe next year. I think I need to retire so I can have time to do fun stuff ;o) I spoke with Doc Mosher on the phone last night and he described the project he has for sale. Sounds like a really nice, complete, clean project just waiting for an engine to finish it up, and me with a 0 SMOH A75 sitting in my hangar in the crate! I keep trying to talk myself into it. Only a couple of thousand miles to drive up to Neenah with a trailer. Heck, Corky did it; why can't I??? Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Date: Jul 09, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
Glad to hear you and your bird will be there Greg. Sounds like there might not be too many Pietenpols there this year. So far, just you and Dick Navratil and I have said we're bringing our Piets. Of course there are several that always show, like Bill Rewey and Lowell Frank. We have yet to hear from Don Emch, Shad Bell and Roman Bukolt as to whether or not they are coming. I think Mike Cuy will be there, but probably not with his Pietenpol. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gcardinal Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:53 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call Dale Johnson and Greg Cardinal will be there with NX18235. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:58 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call > > > Well, since the list seems pretty dead the last couple of days, and > Brodhead is basically only two weeks away, I thought I'd throw out the ol' > "Who's planning to attend this year?" question. > If you are planning to be there, are you flying a Piet? or something > else? or are you driving? or cycling? or walking? > Since I brought it up, I'll start: > I'll be driving through the night with my 17-year old son, for a Friday > morning arrival. > Who's next? > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191855#191855 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Date: Jan 11, 2003
Hope to leave West Virginia Wednesday with Felix the GN-1 arriving Thursday PM, weather permitting. Skip > [Original Message] > From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> > To: > Date: 7/8/2008 7:04:15 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call > > > Well, since the list seems pretty dead the last couple of days, and Brodhead is basically only two weeks away, I thought I'd throw out the ol' "Who's planning to attend this year?" question. > If you are planning to be there, are you flying a Piet? or something else? or are you driving? or cycling? or walking? > Since I brought it up, I'll start: > I'll be driving through the night with my 17-year old son, for a Friday morning arrival. > Who's next? > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191855#191855 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2008
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
NX92GB And the Bell Boys, Shad And Gary should be there Thursday afternoon around 5 or so if weather permits. Going to leave here around 7"ish" on thursday morning and try to do it in one days time. Hope to see you all there. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2008
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Brodhead
I plan on flying the piet to oshkosh sunday for 2 days and will be camping, at scholler I guess.- It is my 1st time flying into OSH. Shad --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Dick Navratil wrote: I am planning on arriving on Thur and leaving on Sun and then driving to OS H.-- No one has ever brought up group camping at OSH, any interest? Dick N. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Brodhead
Date: Jul 09, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
You'll love it, Shad. Nothing like trying to keep up with all the RV's and Lancairs on the approach from Ripon. Jack Phillips _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead I plan on flying the piet to oshkosh sunday for 2 days and will be camping, at scholler I guess. It is my 1st time flying into OSH. Shad --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Dick Navratil wrote: I am planning on arriving on Thur and leaving on Sun and then driving to OSH. No one has ever brought up group camping at OSH, any interest? Dick N. This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any o ther use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Fr ancais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese - Svenska: w ww.cardinalhealth.com/legal/email ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Date: Jul 09, 2008
Pat, No, there isn't a specific website dedicated to the Piet gathering. But there are these two sites that should help: This is the local EAA chapter website: http://www.eaa431.org/ And this is the Brodhead Pietenpol Association website: http://pietenpols.org/ Aside from that, here's the basics. The very informal "gathering" takes place at the Brodhead airport from Friday thru Sunday. Friday is usually actually a busy day, with arrivals by air and road. Saturday is the busiest day, with forums being held for about six hours of the day. Sunday is usually pretty low-key, with most attendees leaving by about noon (either off to Oshkosh or back on the road back home). Camping is permitted at the airport (usually $10 for the weekend). There is one shower. Meals are served at the airport (breakfast, lunch and dinner). Brodhead is a small town, with only one hotel and a B&B (I think). Nearby Monroe has a few motels. But, since everything is right there at the airport (including all the Pietenpols) why would you want to sleep in a real bed? Brodhead airport houses a fantastic collection of rare and antique aircraft, and the owners usually open their hangars and let the public wander around. It's quite unique. The atmosphere for the gathering is friendly, relaxed and welcoming. You just gotta go! Bill C. -----Original Message----- --> <panzera@experimental-aviation.com> Is there a specific website with logistical details? Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gardiner Mason" <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Date: Jul 09, 2008
How about the idea of showing The Great Waldo Pepper Saturday nite at Brodhead. Gardiner ----- Original Message ----- From: "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call > > Dan Wilson, driving arrival Friday noon - Sun morning then on to Oshkosh. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191892#191892 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
Subject: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Date: Jul 09, 2008
Thanks Bill, that was the info I was after. I'm gonna try to make it for all day Saturday, driving in of course. :( Pat > > > Pat, > > No, there isn't a specific website dedicated to the Piet gathering. But > there are these two sites that should help: > > This is the local EAA chapter website: > http://www.eaa431.org/ > > And this is the Brodhead Pietenpol Association website: > http://pietenpols.org/ > > Aside from that, here's the basics. The very informal "gathering" takes > place at the Brodhead airport from Friday thru Sunday. Friday is usually > actually a busy day, with arrivals by air and road. Saturday is the > busiest > day, with forums being held for about six hours of the day. Sunday is > usually pretty low-key, with most attendees leaving by about noon (either > off to Oshkosh or back on the road back home). Camping is permitted at the > airport (usually $10 for the weekend). There is one shower. Meals are > served > at the airport (breakfast, lunch and dinner). Brodhead is a small town, > with > only one hotel and a B&B (I think). Nearby Monroe has a few motels. But, > since everything is right there at the airport (including all the > Pietenpols) why would you want to sleep in a real bed? Brodhead airport > houses a fantastic collection of rare and antique aircraft, and the owners > usually open their hangars and let the public wander around. It's quite > unique. The atmosphere for the gathering is friendly, relaxed and > welcoming. > You just gotta go! > > Bill C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 09, 2008
Subject: Re: Brodhead
Its amusing to hear this from the other side of the coin; over on the Canar d lists they are discussing how not to fall out of the sky when they get backed up behind the planes that have a VNE 20 kts above the canards minimum . We are really looking forward to our seventh Oshkosh & our first Brodhead. Regards, Chrissi & Randi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ===== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 7/9/2008 7:49:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com writes: You=99ll love it, Shad. Nothing like trying to keep up with all the RV=99s and Lancairs on the approach from Ripon. Jack Phillips ____________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead I plan on flying the piet to oshkosh sunday for 2 days and will be camping , at scholler I guess. It is my 1st time flying into OSH. Shad --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Dick Navratil wrote: I am planning on arriving on Thur and leaving on Sun and then driving to OSH. No one has ever brought up group camping at OSH, any interest? Dick N. , proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any oth er use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese - Svenska: (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
From: "chase143" <chase143(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 09, 2008
Steve Chase~~Coming in Thurs with my 20 yr old son, via American Airlines, then over to Osh on Sun. Also camping out. Look forward to seeing everyone there! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191975#191975 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Date: Jul 09, 2008
We will be in the second wave from Georgia. 4 of the 6 Big Piet Builders ( Frank, Harold, Mike and myself) are flying up in 2 Cessna 172's. Coming up on Friday and departing Sunday. No Oshkosh this year, we are spending the week covering. Barry Davis PS: Jack, if we pass you, we'll wave) > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 09, 2008
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
" that was a mistake. What was ? taking his gun off. Why? Arabs behind those rocks..... ( cut to Arabs sneaking up,fight scene ensues).... "you know what I would do? throw sand in their eyes.. blind them....... What's The Great Waldo Pepper movie about? Okay I think I got my stuff nailed down.. Monday Tuesday and Wednesday Cincinnati in to Milwaukee to Rockford till Friday night then Beloit Friday night Saturday Brodhead and Sunday fly out of Milwaukee back to Harrisburg Pa. Friday night catch up with buddy, Dinner in Rockford then on to Beloit. In a message dated 7/9/2008 9:13:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, airlion(at)bellsouth.net writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gardiner Mason" How about the idea of showing The Great Waldo Pepper Saturday nite at Brodhead. Gardiner ----- Original Message ----- From: "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call > > Dan Wilson, driving arrival Friday noon - Sun morning then on to Oshkosh. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191892#191892 > > > **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Brodhead
Date: Jul 09, 2008
First a Parrot, now a Canard. Isn't that some kind of duck? John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com On Jul 9, 2008, at 12:07 PM, CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com wrote: > Its amusing to hear this from the other side of the coin; over on > the Canard lists they are discussing how not to fall out of the sky > when they get backed up behind the planes that have a VNE 20 kts > above the canards minimum. > We are really looking forward to our seventh Oshkosh & our first > Brodhead. > Regards, Chrissi & Randi > > CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware > www.CozyGirrrl.com > Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo > Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details > ======================== ====== > If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires > we fill out a form you will not hear from us. > Please do not make your spam problem ours. > > In a message dated 7/9/2008 7:49:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com > writes: > You=92ll love it, Shad. Nothing like trying to keep up with all the > RV=92s and Lancairs on the approach from Ripon. > > > Jack Phillips > > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of shad bell > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 8:40 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead > > > I plan on flying the piet to oshkosh sunday for 2 days and will be > camping, at scholler I guess. It is my 1st time flying into OSH. > > Shad > --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Dick Navratil wrote: > > > I am planning on arriving on Thur and leaving on Sun and then > driving to OSH. No one has ever brought up group camping at OSH, > any interest? > > Dick N. > > > , proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received > it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the > Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr on.matronics.com/ > ">http://forums.matronics.com > ://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene > in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 09, 2008
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
You know it sounds like you guys could just get up on stage and perform all the lines from The Great Waldo Pepper, ...we don't need no stinking movies CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 7/9/2008 12:39:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, AMsafetyC(at)aol.com writes: " that was a mistake. What was ? taking his gun off. Why? Arabs behind those rocks..... ( cut to Arabs sneaking up,fight scene ensues).... "you know what I would do? throw sand in their eyes.. blind them....... What's The Great Waldo Pepper movie about? Okay I think I got my stuff nailed down.. Monday Tuesday and Wednesday Cincinnati in to Milwaukee to Rockford till Friday night then Beloit Friday night Saturday Brodhead and Sunday fly out of Milwaukee back to Harrisburg Pa. Friday night catch up with buddy, Dinner in Rockford then on to Beloit. In a message dated 7/9/2008 9:13:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, airlion(at)bellsouth.net writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gardiner Mason" How about the idea of showing The Great Waldo Pepper Saturday nite at Brodhead. Gardiner ----- Original Message ----- From: "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call > > Dan Wilson, driving arrival Friday noon - Sun morning then on to Oshkosh. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191892#191892 > > > e the es y --> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS nbsp; - List Contribution Web Site ; ======================== ____________________________________ Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - _Check out TourTracker.com_ (mip://03e16940/www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ! (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Date: Jul 09, 2008
All of life's questions can be answered through TGWP. "It's nice to have met you....Mr. Brown." John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com On Jul 9, 2008, at 12:45 PM, CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com wrote: > You know it sounds like you guys could just get up on stage and > perform all the lines from The Great Waldo Pepper, > ...we don't need no stinking movies > > CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware > www.CozyGirrrl.com > Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo > Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details > ============================== > If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires > we fill out a form you will not hear from us. > Please do not make your spam problem ours. > > In a message dated 7/9/2008 12:39:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, AMsafetyC(at)aol.com > writes: > " that was a mistake. What was ? taking his gun off. Why? Arabs > behind those rocks..... ( cut to Arabs sneaking up,fight scene > ensues).... "you know what I would do? throw sand in their eyes.. > blind them....... > > What's The Great Waldo Pepper movie about? > > Okay I think I got my stuff nailed down.. Monday Tuesday and > Wednesday Cincinnati in to Milwaukee to Rockford till Friday night > then Beloit Friday night Saturday Brodhead and Sunday fly out of > Milwaukee back to Harrisburg Pa. > > Friday night catch up with buddy, Dinner in Rockford then on to > Beloit. > > In a message dated 7/9/2008 9:13:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, airlion(at)bellsouth.net > writes: > > > > How about the idea of showing The Great Waldo Pepper Saturday nite at > Brodhead. Gardiner > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:01 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call > > > > > > > > Dan Wilson, driving arrival Friday noon - Sun morning then on to > Oshkosh. > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191892#191892 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e the es y --> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS > nbsp; - List Contribution Web > Site ; ======================== > > > Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene > in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matron.matronics.com/ > ">http://forums.matronics.com > ://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene > in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 09, 2008
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Hello Good People, I just had a thought, not a great one, but a thought nonetheless! As I said earlier, we are planning dinner in Rockford and I got reservations for Friday evening 7/25 in the absolute best restaurant in Rockford Ill table for 4 at the moment. I am planning on just my buddy and I so far but would certainly welcome the company of others that may be interested in a killer kick ass dinner in the best restaurant in Rockford. Naturally anyone interested in joining us for dinner are certainly welcome however they will have to arrange for transportation to Rockford and will have to pay for their own meal and adult beverages. Knowing how you guys think I thought I should clarify that piece of information. Anyone interested should contact me off line for details John In a message dated 7/9/2008 1:52:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com writes: You know it sounds like you guys could just get up on stage and perform all the lines from The Great Waldo Pepper, ...we don't need no stinking movies CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 7/9/2008 12:39:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, AMsafetyC(at)aol.com writes: " that was a mistake. What was ? taking his gun off. Why? Arabs behind those rocks..... ( cut to Arabs sneaking up,fight scene ensues).... "you know what I would do? throw sand in their eyes.. blind them....... What's The Great Waldo Pepper movie about? Okay I think I got my stuff nailed down.. Monday Tuesday and Wednesday Cincinnati in to Milwaukee to Rockford till Friday night then Beloit Friday night Saturday Brodhead and Sunday fly out of Milwaukee back to Harrisburg Pa. Friday night catch up with buddy, Dinner in Rockford then on to Beloit. In a message dated 7/9/2008 9:13:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, airlion(at)bellsouth.net writes: How about the idea of showing The Great Waldo Pepper Saturday nite at Brodhead. Gardiner ----- Original Message ----- From: "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call > > Dan Wilson, driving arrival Friday noon - Sun morning then on to Oshkosh. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191892#191892 > > > e the es y --> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS nbsp; - List Contribution Web Site ; ======================== ____________________________________ Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - _Check out TourTracker.com_ (mip://03e16940/www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matron.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com ://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ____________________________________ Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - _Check out TourTracker.com_ (http://www.tourtracker.com/?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ! (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 09, 2008
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
you can knock off the Brow stuff, I'm Waldo Pepper.... you are Waldo Pepper? You were with Ezra Styles in Munzie? In a message dated 7/9/2008 2:09:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com writes: All of life's questions can be answered through TGWP. "It's nice to have met you....Mr. Brown." John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: _jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com_ (mailto:jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com) On Jul 9, 2008, at 12:45 PM, _CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com_ (mailto:CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com) wrote: You know it sounds like you guys could just get up on stage and perform all the lines from The Great Waldo Pepper, ...we don't need no stinking movies CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware _www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 7/9/2008 12:39:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, _AMsafetyC(at)aol.com_ (mailto:AMsafetyC(at)aol.com) writes: " that was a mistake. What was ? taking his gun off. Why? Arabs behind those rocks..... ( cut to Arabs sneaking up,fight scene ensues).... "you know what I would do? throw sand in their eyes.. blind them....... What's The Great Waldo Pepper movie about? Okay I think I got my stuff nailed down.. Monday Tuesday and Wednesday Cincinnati in to Milwaukee to Rockford till Friday night then Beloit Friday night Saturday Brodhead and Sunday fly out of Milwaukee back to Harrisburg Pa. Friday night catch up with buddy, Dinner in Rockford then on to Beloit. In a message dated 7/9/2008 9:13:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _airlion(at)bellsouth.net_ (mailto:airlion(at)bellsouth.net) writes: <_airlion(at)bellsouth.net_ (mailto:airlion(at)bellsouth.net) > How about the idea of showing The Great Waldo Pepper Saturday nite at Brodhead. Gardiner ----- Original Message ----- From: "dwilson" <_marwilson(at)charter.net_ (mailto:marwilson(at)charter.net) > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "dwilson" <_marwilson(at)charter.net_ (mailto:marwilson(at)charter.net) > > > Dan Wilson, driving arrival Friday noon - Sun morning then on to Oshkosh. > > > Read this topic online here: > > _http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191892#191892_ (http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191892#191892) > > > e the es y --> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS nbsp; - List Contribution Web Site ; ____________________________________ Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - _Check out TourTracker.com_ (mip://03e16940/www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ! href="_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) ">_http://www.matron.matronics.com/_ (http://www.matron.matronics.com/) ">_http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/) ://www.matronics.com/contribution">_http://www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ____________________________________ Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - _Check out TourTracker.com_ (http://www.tourtracker.com/?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 09, 2008
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Maybe one day we shall get the chance to fly together In a message dated 7/9/2008 2:09:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com writes: All of life's questions can be answered through TGWP. "It's nice to have met you....Mr. Brown." John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: _jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com_ (mailto:jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com) On Jul 9, 2008, at 12:45 PM, _CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com_ (mailto:CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com) wrote: You know it sounds like you guys could just get up on stage and perform all the lines from The Great Waldo Pepper, ...we don't need no stinking movies CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware _www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 7/9/2008 12:39:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, _AMsafetyC(at)aol.com_ (mailto:AMsafetyC(at)aol.com) writes: " that was a mistake. What was ? taking his gun off. Why? Arabs behind those rocks..... ( cut to Arabs sneaking up,fight scene ensues).... "you know what I would do? throw sand in their eyes.. blind them....... What's The Great Waldo Pepper movie about? Okay I think I got my stuff nailed down.. Monday Tuesday and Wednesday Cincinnati in to Milwaukee to Rockford till Friday night then Beloit Friday night Saturday Brodhead and Sunday fly out of Milwaukee back to Harrisburg Pa. Friday night catch up with buddy, Dinner in Rockford then on to Beloit. In a message dated 7/9/2008 9:13:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _airlion(at)bellsouth.net_ (mailto:airlion(at)bellsouth.net) writes: <_airlion(at)bellsouth.net_ (mailto:airlion(at)bellsouth.net) > How about the idea of showing The Great Waldo Pepper Saturday nite at Brodhead. Gardiner ----- Original Message ----- From: "dwilson" <_marwilson(at)charter.net_ (mailto:marwilson(at)charter.net) > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "dwilson" <_marwilson(at)charter.net_ (mailto:marwilson(at)charter.net) > > > Dan Wilson, driving arrival Friday noon - Sun morning then on to Oshkosh. > > > Read this topic online here: > > _http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191892#191892_ (http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191892#191892) > > > e the es y --> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS nbsp; - List Contribution Web Site ; ____________________________________ Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - _Check out TourTracker.com_ (mip://03e16940/www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ! href="_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) ">_http://www.matron.matronics.com/_ (http://www.matron.matronics.com/) ">_http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/) ://www.matronics.com/contribution">_http://www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ____________________________________ Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - _Check out TourTracker.com_ (http://www.tourtracker.com/?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Brodhead
Date: Jul 09, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
>From Wikipedia: Canard is French <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_lang uage> for duck <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck> , and is often used in English to refer to a deliberately false story <http://en.wikipedia.org/wik i/Hoax> , originating from an abbreviated form of an old French idiom , "vendre un canard =E0 moiti=E9," meaning "to half-sell a duck." Sorry Chrissi. Probably a good thing you call yourselves the Cozy Girrls. If you were the Canard Girrls people would be trying to buy half a duck fr om you. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead First a Parrot, now a Canard. Isn't that some kind of duck? John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com On Jul 9, 2008, at 12:07 PM, CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com wrote: Its amusing to hear this from the other side of the coin; over on the Canar d lists they are discussing how not to fall out of the sky when they get ba cked up behind the planes that have a VNE 20 kts above the canards minimum. We are really looking forward to our seventh Oshkosh & our first Brodhead. Regards, Chrissi & Randi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ===== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 7/9/2008 7:49:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Jack.Philli ps(at)cardinalhealth.com writes: You'll love it, Shad. Nothing like trying to keep up with all the RV's an d Lancairs on the approach from Ripon. Jack Phillips _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 8:40 AM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead I plan on flying the piet to oshkosh sunday for 2 days and will be camping, at scholler I guess. It is my 1st time flying into OSH. Shad --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Dick Navratil wrote: I am planning on arriving on Thur and leaving on Sun and then driving to O SH. No one has ever brought up group camping at OSH, any interest? Dick N. , proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Espan ol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese - Sve nska: href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr on.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com ://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution _____ Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in you r area - Check out TourTracker.com! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con tribution This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any o ther use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Fr ancais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese - Svenska: w ww.cardinalhealth.com/legal/email ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Date: Jul 09, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
We will be in the second wave from Georgia. 4 of the 6 Big Piet Builders ( Frank, Harold, Mike and myself) are flying up in 2 Cessna 172's. Coming up on Friday and departing Sunday. No Oshkosh this year, we are spending the week covering. Barry Davis PS: Jack, if we pass you, we'll wave) > > > If you pass me on Friday, I'm in trouble since I'm planning on passing through Rome, GA on Wednesday, arriving at Brodhead on Thursday evening. Jack This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any o ther use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Fr ancais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese - Svenska: w ww.cardinalhealth.com/legal/email ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 09, 2008
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
That's easy, there are no worst parts in that movie just varying degrees of great! Okay I really hated to see Ezra get whacked, but it beats the hell out of burning They're smoking, Waldo they're smoking, don't let me burn John In a message dated 7/9/2008 2:38:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca writes: So what is the absolute worst part of the movie. (Hint - it's a flying scene and it comes in the first part of the film) Bob do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Hofmann Sent: July 9, 2008 2:00 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call All of life's questions can be answered through TGWP. "It's nice to have met you....Mr. Brown." John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: _jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com_ (mailto:jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com) On Jul 9, 2008, at 12:45 PM, _CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com_ (mailto:CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com) wrote: You know it sounds like you guys could just get up on stage and perform all the lines from The Great Waldo Pepper, ...we don't need no stinking movies CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware _www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 7/9/2008 12:39:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, _AMsafetyC(at)aol.com_ (mailto:AMsafetyC(at)aol.com) writes: " that was a mistake. What was ? taking his gun off. Why? Arabs behind those rocks..... ( cut to Arabs sneaking up,fight scene ensues).... "you know what I would do? throw sand in their eyes.. blind them....... What's The Great Waldo Pepper movie about? Okay I think I got my stuff nailed down.. Monday Tuesday and Wednesday Cincinnati in to Milwaukee to Rockford till Friday night then Beloit Friday night Saturday Brodhead and Sunday fly out of Milwaukee back to Harrisburg Pa. Friday night catch up with buddy, Dinner in Rockford then on to Beloit. In a message dated 7/9/2008 9:13:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _airlion(at)bellsouth.net_ (mailto:airlion(at)bellsouth.net) writes: <_airlion(at)bellsouth.net_ (mailto:airlion(at)bellsouth.net) > How about the idea of showing The Great Waldo Pepper Saturday nite at Brodhead. 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From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 09, 2008
Subject: Re: Brodhead
Lets just say the Wright Brothers planes were canards too =) ...Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ===== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 7/9/2008 12:47:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com writes: First a Parrot, now a Canard. Isn't that some kind of duck? John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: _jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com_ (mailto:jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com) On Jul 9, 2008, at 12:07 PM, _CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com_ (mailto:CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com ) wrote: Its amusing to hear this from the other side of the coin; over on the Canar d lists they are discussing how not to fall out of the sky when they get backed up behind the planes that have a VNE 20 kts above the canards minimu m. We are really looking forward to our seventh Oshkosh & our first Brodhead. Regards, Chrissi & Randi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware _www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ===== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 7/9/2008 7:49:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time, _Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com_ (mailto:Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com) writes: You=99ll love it, Shad. Nothing like trying to keep up with all the RV=99s and Lancairs on the approach from Ripon. Jack Phillips ____________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [_mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com_ (mailto:owner-pietenpol- list-server(at)matronics.com) ] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead I plan on flying the piet to oshkosh sunday for 2 days and will be camping, at scholler I guess. It is my 1st time flying into OSH. Shad --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Dick Navratil <_horzpool(at)goldengate.net_ (mailto:horzpool(at)goldengate.net) > wrote: I am planning on arriving on Thur and leaving on Sun and then driving to OSH. No one has ever brought up group camping at OSH, any interest? Dick N. , proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese - Svenska: href="_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) ">_http://www.matron.mat ronics.com/_ (http://www.matron.matronics.com/) ">_http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/) ://www.matronics.com/contribution">_http://www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ____________________________________ Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in you r area - _Check out TourTracker.com_ (mip://0383b1b0/www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matron ics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/cont ribution (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: To Jack
Date: Jul 09, 2008
RE: Pietenpol-List: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll CallJack If you want lunch or something on Wed. we are in Carrollton about 40 mi south of Rome. We could meet you at the airport. (We are always looking for any excuse to go to the airport) Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 2:55 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call We will be in the second wave from Georgia. 4 of the 6 Big Piet Builders ( Frank, Harold, Mike and myself) are flying up in 2 Cessna 172's. Coming up on Friday and departing Sunday. No Oshkosh this year, we are spending the week covering. Barry Davis PS: Jack, if we pass you, we'll wave) > > > > If you pass me on Friday, I'm in trouble since I'm planning on passing through Rome, GA on Wednesday, arriving at Brodhead on Thursday evening. Jack This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: off topic: Waldo Pepper in Texas
Date: Jul 09, 2008
That does it. I'm off of this list for good. You guys have all but given away the entire movie and I haven't even watched it yet. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 09, 2008
Subject: Re: off topic: Waldo Pepper in Texas
If you were at Brodhead you could watch it with us from what I hear tell. In a message dated 7/9/2008 4:42:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga That does it. I'm off of this list for good. You guys have all but given away the entire movie and I haven't even watched it yet. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Scott Schreiber" <got22b(at)subarubrat.com>
Subject: Re: Bell Crank update
Date: Jul 09, 2008
Please understand I am not questioning your engineering, I was just curious if the stock lengths (just moved outside the fuselage) did not work for some reason? Or would it work fine, but the goal was to eliminate the rubbing? -Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 2:14 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bell Crank update Scott, The inside control horn is the correct length. The outside control horns are a bit longer as will the control arms on the elevator be matched to the same length. This way it will not effect the throw of the elevator. as long as everything is kept in the same geometry, it should work out just fine. Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Scott Schreiber wrote: From: Scott Schreiber <got22b(at)subarubrat.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bell Crank update To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 12:05 PM Are your elevator control horns the stock length? What length are your control horns at the externals? Are the throws stock? -Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP To: Pietenpol Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 10:25 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bell Crank update Fellow Pieter's Here are a few of photos of my bell crank set-up. I like the looks of Dick Navratil outside linkage set-up for the elevator so much that I stole his idea!! Enjoy the photos and any constructive criticisms are welcomed! Note* I did clear the front edge of the stabilizer using Dick's design. Hence the several mock-ups and measure/re-measure before install points found. I have about 3/4" of an inch from the top of my tail cross brace to the top of the bell crank..... The question I do have is..... what type of connection (photos) have most of you been using for the bell crank to cable hook-up? I understand the plans making mention of a clevis pin and hook connection....but what have others used in this application? Seems to me an adjustable fork or other similar connection would be much more desirable for adjustment. Photos welcome. Village idiot Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: To Jack
Date: Jul 09, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
I appreciate the offer, but it will probably be around 2:00 PM by the time I get to Rome and I'll be only a little over halfway to my first day's destination. Jack _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 4:02 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: To Jack Jack If you want lunch or something on Wed. we are in Carrollton about 40 mi south of Rome. We could meet you at the airport. (We are always looking for any excuse to go to the airport) Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack <mailto:Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 2:55 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call We will be in the second wave from Georgia. 4 of the 6 Big Piet Builders ( Frank, Harold, Mike and myself) are flying up in 2 Cessna 172's. Coming up on Friday and departing Sunday. No Oshkosh this year, we are spending the week covering. Barry Davis PS: Jack, if we pass you, we'll wave) > > > > If you pass me on Friday, I'm in trouble since I'm planning on passing through Rome, GA on Wednesday, arriving at Brodhead on Thursday evening. Jack This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any o ther use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Fr ancais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese - Svenska: w ww.cardinalhealth.com/legal/email ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Abramson" <davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com>
Subject: off topic: Waldo Pepper in Texas
Date: Jul 09, 2008
The worst part of the movie is when they roll the credits!!!!! I wanted to see how he was going to land with that beat up landing gear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 1:39 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: off topic: Waldo Pepper in Texas That does it. I'm off of this list for good. You guys have all but given away the entire movie and I haven't even watched it yet. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: To Jack
Date: Jul 09, 2008
RE: Pietenpol-List: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll CallOK If you ever get weathered in around this part of the state, we will always put-up a fellow Pietenpoler for the night. BD ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 5:02 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: To Jack I appreciate the offer, but it will probably be around 2:00 PM by the time I get to Rome and I'll be only a little over halfway to my first day's destination. Jack ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 4:02 PM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: To Jack Jack If you want lunch or something on Wed. we are in Carrollton about 40 mi south of Rome. We could meet you at the airport. (We are always looking for any excuse to go to the airport) Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 2:55 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call We will be in the second wave from Georgia. 4 of the 6 Big Piet Builders ( Frank, Harold, Mike and myself) are flying up in 2 Cessna 172's. Coming up on Friday and departing Sunday. No Oshkosh this year, we are spending the week covering. Barry Davis PS: Jack, if we pass you, we'll wave) > > > > If you pass me on Friday, I'm in trouble since I'm planning on passing through Rome, GA on Wednesday, arriving at Brodhead on Thursday evening. Jack This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/contribution This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Meals at Brodhead
Date: Jul 09, 2008
I know that there is a breakfast on Saturday am and the pork chop dinner that night. Are any other meals available for us flying in a light as possible? What about Friday night or Sunday am? Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net>
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Date: Jul 09, 2008
YES! OF COURSE I'll be there, flying in along with Bill Rewey. Roman Bukolt NX20795 On Jul 9, 2008, at 6:30 AM, Phillips, Jack wrote: > > > > Glad to hear you and your bird will be there Greg. Sounds like there > might not be too many Pietenpols there this year. So far, just you > and > Dick Navratil and I have said we're bringing our Piets. Of course > there > are several that always show, like Bill Rewey and Lowell Frank. We > have > yet to hear from Don Emch, Shad Bell and Roman Bukolt as to whether or > not they are coming. I think Mike Cuy will be there, but probably not > with his Pietenpol. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > gcardinal > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:53 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call > > > > Dale Johnson and Greg Cardinal will be there with NX18235. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:58 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call > > >> >> >> Well, since the list seems pretty dead the last couple of days, and >> Brodhead is basically only two weeks away, I thought I'd throw out >> the > ol' >> "Who's planning to attend this year?" question. >> If you are planning to be there, are you flying a Piet? or something >> else? or are you driving? or cycling? or walking? >> Since I brought it up, I'll start: >> I'll be driving through the night with my 17-year old son, for a > Friday >> morning arrival. >> Who's next? >> >> Bill C. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191855#191855 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 10, 2008
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Date: Jul 09, 2008
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Bell Crank update
Hey Scott..... - I truly liked the looks of this set-up when I viewed Dick's Pietenpol at Br odhead, WI-last year. And since the issue came up about avoiding-"cable rub," this design system allows for more upward movability of the control horn to avoid such issues. I don't think the added drag with the horns outs ide are going to be that much of a factor.... Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP - --- On Wed, 7/9/08, Scott Schreiber wrote: From: Scott Schreiber <got22b(at)subarubrat.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bell Crank update Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 4:03 PM Please understand I am not questioning your engineering, I was just curious if the stock lengths (just moved outside the fuselage) did not work for so me reason? Or would it work fine, but the goal was to eliminate the rubbing ? - --Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 2:14 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bell Crank update Scott, - The inside control horn is the correct length. The outside control horns ar e a bit longer as will the control arms on the elevator be matched to the s ame length. This way it will not effect the throw of the elevator. as long as everything is kept in the same geometry, it should work out just fine. Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP - --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Scott Schreiber wrote: From: Scott Schreiber <got22b(at)subarubrat.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bell Crank update Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 12:05 PM Are your elevator control horns the stock length? What length are your cont rol horns at the externals? Are the throws stock? - -Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 10:25 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bell Crank update Fellow Pieter's - Here are a few of photos of my bell crank set-up. I like the looks-of Dic k Navratil outside linkage set-up for the elevator so much that I stole his idea!! Enjoy the photos and any constructive criticisms-are welcomed!- Note* -I did clear the front edge of the stabilizer using Dick's design. Hence the several mock-ups and measure/re-measure before install points fou nd. I have about 3/4" of an inch from the top of my tail cross brace to the top of the bell crank..... - The question I do have is..... what type of connection (photos) have most o f you been using for the bell crank to cable hook-up? I understand the plan s making mention of-a clevis pin and hook connection....but what have oth ers used-in this application?- Seems to me an adjustable fork or other similar connection would be much more desirable for adjustment. Photos welc ome.- Village idiot - Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP - 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"'>http://www.m atronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.com /contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 09, 2008
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Anyone from the New England need a rider to share fuel expenses to Brodhead and Osh, let me know. I have an old friend who has never been and wants to kick some tires, he is thinking about switching from driving race cars to flying. Please contact me for information. Thanks, Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2008
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Brodhead
No wonder they fall out of the sky; :-) CANARD; 1 a: a false or unfounded report or story; especially : a fabricated report b: a groundless rumor or belief Clif I have the feeling that I've seen everything, but failed to notice the elephants. (Anton Chekhov) Its amusing to hear this from the other side of the coin; over on the Canard lists they are discussing how not to fall out of the sky when they get backed up behind the planes that have a VNE 20 kts above the canards minimum. Regards, Chrissi & Randi ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2008
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Drove out the last 2 years from CT. (It's kind of a hike, ..about 18/19 hours worth) Flying commercial this year. Might try it again next year though. Is he possibly a Lime Rock Vintage car guy??? I've been able to make it to the Vintage weekends there a few times. The vintage car group has a lot in common with the vintage plane group. As far as Brodhead roll-call goes, I will be arriving on Thursday. On 7/9/08, CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com wrote: > > Anyone from the New England need a rider to share fuel expenses to > Brodhead and Osh, let me know. I have an old friend who has never been and > wants to kick some tires, he is thinking about switching from driving race > cars to flying. > Please contact me for information. > Thanks, Chrissi > > CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware > www.CozyGirrrl.com <http://www.cozygirrrl.com/> > Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo > Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details > ============================== > > > ------------------------------ > Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in > your area - Check out TourTracker.com<http://www.tourtracker.com/?NCID=aolmus00050000000112> > ! > > * > > * > > -- Glenn Thomas Storrs, CT http://www.flyingwood.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2008
From: chris cummins <cccstandard(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
If everything goes as planned I will be there with my piet.516BC Hope to arrive Friday AM. --- On Wed, 7/9/08, CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com wrote: From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com <CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 10:46 PM Anyone from the New England need a rider to share fuel expenses to Brodhead and Osh, let me know. I have an old friend who has never been and wants to kick some tires, he is thinking about switching from driving race cars to flying. Please contact me for information. Thanks, Chrissi - CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ===== Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in you r area - Check out TourTracker.com! =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 09, 2008
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Glenn, he drove an exhibition wheelstander.. a 41 willies firetruck =), he holds the Guinness World record for the longest wheelstand in a 4 wheel vehicle..few feet short of a mile. Here is a run he did in Mexico _http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Firetruck-Wheelstanderin_58309.htm_ (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Firetruck-Wheelstanderin_58309.htm) I think he needs a new hobby =) Regards, Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 7/9/2008 10:20:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com writes: Drove out the last 2 years from CT. (It's kind of a hike, ..about 18/19 hours worth) Flying commercial this year. Might try it again next year though. Is he possibly a Lime Rock Vintage car guy??? I've been able to make it to the Vintage weekends there a few times. The vintage car group has a lot in common with the vintage plane group. As far as Brodhead roll-call goes, I will be arriving on Thursday. On 7/9/08, _CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com_ (mailto:CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com) <_CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com_ (mailto:CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com) > wrote: Anyone from the New England need a rider to share fuel expenses to Brodhead and Osh, let me know. I have an old friend who has never been and wants to kick some tires, he is thinking about switching from driving race cars to flying. Please contact me for information. Thanks, Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware _www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== ____________________________________ Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - _Check out TourTracker.com_ (http://www.tourtracker.com/?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ! -- Glenn Thomas Storrs, CT _http://www.flyingwood.com_ (http://www.flyingwood.com/) (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Date: Jul 10, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
Chrissi, Are y'all flying a Cozy into Brodhead? If so, be aware that the longest runway at C37 is only a little over 2400 feet long (good approaches, though) and all runways are turf. I look forward to meeting you and Randi and helping to introduce you to the way homebuilding airplanes used to be. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:47 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call Anyone from the New England need a rider to share fuel expenses to Brodhead and Osh, let me know. I have an old friend who has never been and wants to kick some tires, he is thinking about switching from driving race cars to flying. Please contact me for information. Thanks, Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ===== _____ Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com <http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112> ! _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "donald lane" <dslane(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 48 Msgs - 07/09/08
Date: Jul 10, 2008
_____________________________________ > > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call > From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com> > > >> > I look forward to seeing you at Brodhead. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > I will be in Brodhead by RV Fri PM leaving for OSH Sun morning Looking forward to meeting everyone. Don Lane ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: Meals at Brodhead
Date: Jul 10, 2008
Barry, >From memory, I believe there usually is a breakfast of sorts each day (Sunday might be a bit simpler), and lunch as well (chili dogs or something like that) and there is a dinner on Friday (Brats?). So it is possible to not need to leave the airport. I'd be glad to give any of you guys a ride into town if you need (or want), as I will be driving. Bill C. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 6:05 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meals at Brodhead I know that there is a breakfast on Saturday am and the pork chop dinner that night. Are any other meals available for us flying in a light as possible? What about Friday night or Sunday am? Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: flying into Oshkosh
Date: Jul 10, 2008
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
The best part is when the controller at Fisk tells you "blue and white high wing, keep your speed up" when you are at full power and indicating 90 mph. Bite me. If they land you on the N-S runways Shad beware of wake turbulence from the parallel runway drifting over to your side. Be ready for it in case it wants to twist you. I've never had that happen but we had one of our guys in his Piet wreck his plane when the propwash and wake of a departing DC-3 from the adjacent runway drifted over to him just when he was in the flare for landing. Ouch. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: waldo pepper
Date: Jul 10, 2008
So...Does anyone know of plans to show Waldo Pepper at Brodhead? If so, please let me know 'cause we'd love to be there!! Douwe and Marci, arriving by car (hopefully flying next year!!) Thursday late afternoon/early evening. We always camp out across the closed runway under the trees. Green Xterra and tent, come over the say hi. On another note. I'm an artist and I'm trying to finish up a really nice pen and ink of a Piet. I'm going to get them printed on some good paper and bring them to Brodhead to sell, all the proceeds going to BPA. Doc said he'll put them out somewhere along with a framed example, which will be a raffle prize. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 10, 2008
Subject: Re: flying into Oshkosh
Mike, There's no way mine is going to go 90 at straight and level. What would the controller do in that case? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
Subject: New Video
Date: Jul 10, 2008
Hi Guys, I just uploaded a new piece of video to YouTube. Do a search for "Piet flying in Australia" or check out my web site. Enjoy Brodhead!!! Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 10, 2008
Subject: Re: dinner in Rockford ?
Sorry to hear that Mike, we were counting on your buying us dinner! I may be able to haul you to Mickey D's on Saturday if you pay for gas and meals. If that works for ya. I would certainly pay for pizza and beer for ya after you land in Lancaster PA, LNS, all you need to do is tell me when you plan to arrive, its my standing offer to Piet builders and drivers visiting my area of the world. I have made exception for an RV builder and a F16 driver but mostly Piet folks. Best I can do Mike. I can volunteer to carry your gas can every time you need it, for a free lesson at the end of the day! John In a message dated 7/10/2008 9:12:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov writes: You mean you won't pick us up at Brodhead, drive us back and forth to Rockford and we have to pay for our meals to boot ? I'll have to pass John:) Mike C. do not archive (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 10, 2008
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Dear Jack, Sorry, Cozy is not finished yet. Grass is a no no for canards anyway, they use up a lot of asphalt as it is, needs about 3000 ft of it. We'll be driving the maroon Dodge Minivan... fondly dubbed "The Motorhome" Regards, Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ===== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 7/10/2008 6:28:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com writes: Chrissi, Are y=99all flying a Cozy into Brodhead? If so, be aware that the lo ngest runway at C37 is only a little over 2400 feet long (good approaches, though ) and all runways are turf. I look forward to meeting you and Randi and helping to introduce you to the way homebuilding airplanes used to be. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC ____________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CozyGirrrl@ aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:47 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call Anyone from the New England need a rider to share fuel expenses to Brodhead and Osh, let me know. I have an old friend who has never been and wants to kick some tires, he is thinking about switching from driving race cars to flying. Please contact me for information. Thanks, Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ===== ____________________________________ Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in you r area - _Check out TourTracker.com_ (http://www.tourtracker.com/?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ! ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List .com tronics.com/contribution _________________________________________________ , proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 10, 2008
Subject: Re: New Video
Thanks Peter, that is a really nice video. ...Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ===== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 7/10/2008 8:37:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time, vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au writes: Hi Guys, I just uploaded a new piece of video to YouTube. Do a search for =9CP iet flying in Australia=9D or check out my web site. Enjoy Brodhead!!! Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia _http://www.cpc-world.com_ (http://www.cpc-world.com/) (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 10, 2008
Subject: Re: flying into Oshkosh
In a message dated 7/10/2008 7:40:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov writes: The best part is when the controller at Fisk tells you "blue and white high wing, keep your speed up" when you are at full power and indicating 90 mph. Bite me. ================================ WhatDaYaMean you can't land at 90 MPH? =) Canards can't flare so many of them do land at 85~90 MPH, so you can imagine why the two don't mix when Fisk puts one in behind you. S-turns and circles anyone? It seems most of the guys have experienced this at some point or another. They are both airborne but as different as a hammer and a saw. I see the Cozy as a tool, a fun cross country vehicle, I see the Piet as just fun, good for the soul, it appeals to the innate Richard Bach thing deep down inside, makes you want to go read Illusions all over again? I feel that if someone does not get a different vibe from a wood and a fiberglass boat they'd miss the point (No, it's not "Help Meeee; I'm rotting!") ...Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: waldo pepper
Date: Jul 10, 2008
Douwe, Last year they projected Waldo Pepper on a hangar door Friday or Saturday evening. There was a popcorn machine and everything, with the audience sitting on the grass out front. As far as I know there wasn't an announcement about it (or maybe there was, and I was busy doing something at the time). I have no idea if there are plans to repeat the performance. For sure, it would be weather-dependant. Last year was a beautiful summer evening - perfect. If they do show it again, and there's a line that you can't hear you could always ask certain members (without mentioning names) of this list that seem to have the entire script memorized. I'm sure they could help you out there. Bill C. And I'll be looking for your Piet prints. You realize that since you mentioned it here on the list that you now HAVE TO finish it and get the prints made and bring them with you. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:05 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: waldo pepper --> So...Does anyone know of plans to show Waldo Pepper at Brodhead? If so, please let me know 'cause we'd love to be there!! Douwe and Marci, arriving by car (hopefully flying next year!!) Thursday late afternoon/early evening. We always camp out across the closed runway under the trees. Green Xterra and tent, come over the say hi. On another note. I'm an artist and I'm trying to finish up a really nice pen and ink of a Piet. I'm going to get them printed on some good paper and bring them to Brodhead to sell, all the proceeds going to BPA. Doc said he'll put them out somewhere along with a framed example, which will be a raffle prize. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Steve Eldredge <steve(at)byu.edu>
Date: Jul 10, 2008
Subject: flying into Oshkosh
I remember that crunch well. I was landing the plane ahead of the accident piet. I remember feeling the thump as I flared when the wake got me in th e last second of flight, seeing the DC-3 pass. About 2 seconds earlier I heard a plane behind me go to full throttle and then a whump and crunch sou nd. I turned in my seat to see the piet in its final twisting motion and a cloud of dust, a main wheel springing from the confusion and bounding towa rd the main runway in an awkward track. It was a sick feeling, but the pi lot was ok. He told me that at about 10' he lost glide path and roll at th e same time and tried to go around. The wind was 90 degrees cross and abou t 10 knots or so. The landing DC-3's wake got him and nearly me. It was a bad end to a mass formation arrival from Hartford in 1999. Glad there wa s no injury! You all have fun at Brodhead. I made it there 'by surprise' last year in m y Yellow Stinson. I'm not going to mislead you this year and say I won't m ake it, since we will be driving through the area on family vacation this y ear.... I can say I won't be flying, but if you see a white Suburban with a block letter "E" pasted to the rear, we succeeded in adding Brodhead to o ur itinerary! Steve Eldredge NC9406K 47' Stinson 108-2 stinson(at)byu.edu [cid:image001.gif(at)01C8E270.493A4830] Steve E From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:38 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying into Oshkosh The best part is when the controller at Fisk tells you "blue and white high wing, keep your speed up" when you are at full power and indicating 90 mph. Bite me. If they land you on the N-S runways Shad beware of wake turbulence from the parallel runway drifting over to your side. Be ready for it in case it wants to twist you. I've never had th at happen but we had one of our guys in his Piet wreck his plane when the propwash and wake of a departing DC-3 from th e adjacent runway drifted over to him just when he was in the flare for landing. Ouch. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 10, 2008
Subject: Re: waldo pepper
Would that be the line from Axel Olsson as he gets the salute from Waldo on the ground following his take off in the early part of the film? "The pond Axel the Pond its the safest place" John In a message dated 7/10/2008 11:35:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eng(at)canadianrogers.com writes: Douwe, Last year they projected Waldo Pepper on a hangar door Friday or Saturday evening. There was a popcorn machine and everything, with the audience sitting on the grass out front. As far as I know there wasn't an announcement about it (or maybe there was, and I was busy doing something at the time). I have no idea if there are plans to repeat the performance. For sure, it would be weather-dependant. Last year was a beautiful summer evening - perfect. If they do show it again, and there's a line that you can't hear you could always ask certain members (without mentioning names) of this list that seem to have the entire script memorized. I'm sure they could help you out there. Bill C. And I'll be looking for your Piet prints. You realize that since you mentioned it here on the list that you now HAVE TO finish it and get the prints made and bring them with you. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [_m ailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com_ (mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com) ] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:05 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: waldo pepper --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg" --> So...Does anyone know of plans to show Waldo Pepper at Brodhead? If so, please let me know 'cause we'd love to be there!! Douwe and Marci, arriving by car (hopefully flying next year!!) Thursday late afternoon/early evening. We always camp out across the closed runway under the trees. Green Xterra and tent, come over the say hi. On another note. I'm an artist and I'm trying to finish up a really nice pen and ink of a Piet. I'm going to get them printed on some good paper and bring them to Brodhead to sell, all the proceeds going to BPA. Doc said he'll put them out somewhere along with a framed example, which will be a raffle prize. Douwe (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 10, 2008
Subject: Re: flying into Oshkosh
Maybe we should all get deck chairs and scoring cards like in the Olympics, park ourselves next to a big colored dot and score landings? Add some rings for a spot landing competition? I had a boyfriend in the 70's that would fly this 16 ft R/c glider, he maxed the spot landing competition. I had the stopwatch and would count down the time, he is downwind in terminal velocity dive 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5... he pulls out of the dive and is now heading for the spot going a bazillion mph 2 ft off the grass, the crowd thinks he is insane.... 3, 2, 1..WHAM ! he dips the nose on the paper plate precisely at ZERO, pulls up into a half loop and gently circles around, speed brakes deploy and he takes his time line up and landing -on- the plate. The crowd goes wild. The rules said first that how many seconds from the clock +/- you touched the ground was the first half of your score and then how close you came to a stop at the paper plate in inches was the rest of the score. Lowest score wins. Thinking outside the box he treated them as two separate events for a 0/0 score. We'll have none of that on the colored spots please =) ...Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 7/10/2008 10:54:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov writes: Funny when the controllers tell you to hit one of the big colored dots on the runways. My last landing up there they told me to land on the furthest dot down the runway and to keep my speed up as long as possible. Was odd flying over the runway at 80 feet at full power until the last 1/4 of it but true to form, the Pietenpol does what it does best in that configuration---demonstrates it's great ability to produce drag. One time past Ripon the controller asked me to 'sidestep' to my left to allow a wallowing Aerostar twin engine pass me up. That poor guy had flaps and gear out and was nose high when he went past me just off my right wing. I could almost see his middle finger giving me some kind of aerial gesture that wasn't very kind:)) MIke C. do not archive (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 10, 2008
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Meals at Brodhead
We'll be there with a vehicle as well, and can accommodate two more pax for trips into town for lunch (one comfortably, one not). I guess the best hungry hang-dog look wins a seat. :P (I'll even vacuum the car out before we come up!). Otherwise, if people need supplies, just ask, I'm sure we can figure out a way to make runs for people. Ryan On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Bill Church wrote: > Barry, > > From memory, I believe there usually is a breakfast of sorts each day > (Sunday might be a bit simpler), and lunch as well (chili dogs or something > like that) and there is a dinner on Friday (Brats?). > So it is possible to not need to leave the airport. I'd be glad to give any > of you guys a ride into town if you need (or want), as I will be driving. > > Bill C. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Barry Davis > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 09, 2008 6:05 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Meals at Brodhead > > I know that there is a breakfast on Saturday am and the pork chop dinner > that night. Are any other meals available for us flying in a light as > possible? What about Friday night or Sunday am? > Barry > > ** > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chet's Mail" <Chethartley1(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: Roll Call
Date: Jul 10, 2008
Cathy and I (Chet) will be driving up from Missouri, I would like to fly the piet that Don Hicks built but I have not found the problem of my engine and it getting hot. Looking forward to seeing everyone. Chet & Cathy Hartley NX920Y ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Meals at Brodhead
From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 11, 2008
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Date: Jul 11, 2008
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Meals at Brodhead
I'm renting a Mazda 6, and I'll be by myself, so I can run people back and forth to town, make fuel runs, etc. I'm spending the night in Monroe, so if anybody flying in needs a ride in that direction I can help with that too. Ben John Recine wrote: > I am sure to be going to town some time and should be able to provide > seating for a few. Depending upon what hertz gives me for wheels it > should not be a problem as long as its not a clown car > > John > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From*: "Ryan Mueller" > *To*: > *Subject*: Re: Pietenpol-List: Meals at Brodhead > We'll be there with a vehicle as well, and can accommodate two more > pax for trips into town for lunch (one comfortably, one not). I guess > the best hungry hang-dog look wins a seat. :P (I'll even vacuum the > car out before we come up!). Otherwise, if people need supplies, just > ask, I'm sure we can figure out a way to make runs for people. > > Ryan > > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Bill Church > wrote: > > Barry, > From memory, I believe there usually is a breakfast of sorts each > day (Sunday might be a bit simpler), and lunch as well (chili dogs > or something like that) and there is a dinner on Friday (Brats?). > So it is possible to not need to leave the airport. I'd be glad to > give any of you guys a ride into town if you need (or want), as I > will be driving. > Bill C. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > ] *On Behalf Of > *Barry Davis > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 09, 2008 6:05 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Meals at Brodhead > > I know that there is a breakfast on Saturday am and the pork chop > dinner that night. Are any other meals available for us flying in > a light as possible? What about Friday night or Sunday am? > Barry > > ~,gM4Gqz.'8>'zzhIQhR' Eyn > j > j+ .+- Tn+bpbj!'60j@@,jwfffj|-&j',r5hRm-&j',r5hRDH > %SPI'j[(jzyhy+k&j',r+k&j',rhnbum(xjy2*. z.:W@vhy-0kx&'m > 'o{kh~mml= ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Meals at Brodhead
Date: Jul 11, 2008
Thanks Bill 6 (robust) guys are flying 2 -172's up from Georgia and that does not leave us much room for camping gear and food. I am trying to find a contact at Brodhead airport to ship most of our stuff up there by UPS the day before we get there. I have emailed the EAA Chapter President last week, but have not gotten a reply. Thanks for the help offer, we may need it. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Church To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:16 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Meals at Brodhead Barry, From memory, I believe there usually is a breakfast of sorts each day (Sunday might be a bit simpler), and lunch as well (chili dogs or something like that) and there is a dinner on Friday (Brats?). So it is possible to not need to leave the airport. I'd be glad to give any of you guys a ride into town if you need (or want), as I will be driving. Bill C. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 6:05 PM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meals at Brodhead I know that there is a breakfast on Saturday am and the pork chop dinner that night. Are any other meals available for us flying in a light as possible? What about Friday night or Sunday am? Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Video
From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 11, 2008
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Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 11, 2008
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Subject: Re: waldo pepper
From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 11, 2008
Me too, I heard its a great movie, haven't seen it but that's what I have heard John ------Original Message------ From: Douwe Blumberg Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Jul 10, 2008 9:04 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: waldo pepper So...Does anyone know of plans to show Waldo Pepper at Brodhead? If so, please let me know 'cause we'd love to be there!! Douwe and Marci, arriving by car (hopefully flying next year!!) Thursday late afternoon/early evening. We always camp out across the closed runway under the trees. Green Xterra and tent, come over the say hi. On another note. I'm an artist and I'm trying to finish up a really nice pen and ink of a Piet. I'm going to get them printed on some good paper and bring them to Brodhead to sell, all the proceeds going to BPA. Doc said he'll put them out somewhere along with a framed example, which will be a raffle prize. Douwe Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
Subject: waldo pepper
Date: Jul 11, 2008
Has anyone posted the trailer yet? http://youtube.com/watch?v=sfZhXhCGwEA Pat > > Me too, I heard its a great movie, haven't seen it but that's what I have > heard > > John ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 11, 2008
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Talorcraft/ Aeronca Fly-in at Barber
Any of you guys going to Barber on Saturday for the fly-in?- I might fly the piet up with some of the Champ, Chief guys here at Chapman.- I'll go early, and head home "Noon-ish".- Hope to see you there. - Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 11, 2008
From: Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com>
Subject: Re: waldo pepper
Patrick Panzera wrote: > > Has anyone posted the trailer yet? > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=sfZhXhCGwEA > > Pat > > I just went over to YouTube and watched the trailer and final dogfight scene again. Worth every minute! The dogfight runs a little over nine minutes, but, boy what flying. Sorry I'll miss it at Brodhead this year, but I'm planning on being there next year. Thanks for the link Pat. Darrel Jones Pfeifer Sport Sonoma, CA ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 11, 2008
From: santiago morete <moretesantiago(at)yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Hi everyone, As announced by Dan Helsper, and thanks to him and his family, I'll finally be visiting Brodhead! I hope to meet everybody there. I'll be the one babbling english : ) And...I really would like a Piet ride, who will be the generous soul? Saludos Santiago --------------------------------- Busc desde tu celular!Yahoo! oneSEARCH ahora est en Claro http://ar.mobile.yahoo.com/onesearch ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 12, 2008
From: "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: cowling hinge pins
Not sure what others did, but I wanted to share what I did. They work well. Just drill the securing hole for about 1/8" of spring to the clip . Unhook clip, and slide out hinge pin to remove cowl walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge,,, and no one can ever take it from you" Benjamin Franklin ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 12, 2008
Subject: Re: cowling hinge pins
Walt, Way to go on that cowl hinge. That looks real nifty!! Very nice installation. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 12, 2008
From: "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: cowling hinge pins
Thanks Dan. They worked great so far. walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge,,, and no one can ever take it from you" Benjamin Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 5:49 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cowling hinge pins Walt, Way to go on that cowl hinge. That looks real nifty!! Very nice installation. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New Sky Gypsy
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 13, 2008
For those that know Frank Pavliga's familiar old Sky Gypsy, I thought I'd post a shot of the new and improved Sky Gypsy. He out did himself on this one! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192440#192440 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/barber_fly_in_08_001_661.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 13, 2008
From: Pastor Mike <miket(at)southslope.net>
Subject: Re: New Sky Gypsy
Wow that is a beautiful plane. Is that a Kinner or a Warner on the nose? Mike in Iowa Don Emch wrote: > > For those that know Frank Pavliga's familiar old Sky Gypsy, I thought I'd post a shot of the new and improved Sky Gypsy. He out did himself on this one! > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192440#192440 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/barber_fly_in_08_001_661.jpg > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: cowling hinge pins
Date: Jul 13, 2008
Walt; that is a great idea! I just pulled the cowl on my airplane yesterday and was wondering about a way to secure the hinge pins. Although they have never worked loose, my A&P asked me about securing them when he did the last annual. Mine simply have legs bent on the ends (L-shaped) but that little locking hook is nifty. If you don't mind, I'm going to snag the photo and put it on my website for others to pick up. I put another 1.6 hours on 41CC yesterday in high and gusty winds, but it was great fun and landing on the grass at bicycle speed into the stiff wind was a piece of cake. I've sort of started to feel bad about the looks of the airplane. It's no hangar queen... not very clean, a bit of oil smudge here and there on the belly, fuel dye stains on the passenger floorboards, unused holes here and there, and the spray-can color of blue paint that I used on the rebuilt gear legs and cabanes doesn't quite match the PolyTone that Corky used on the rest of the airplane. However, the airplane flies great, gives me no trouble, and it smells like a real airplane everytime I climb into the cockpit. No apologies once the airplane leaves the ground, but I feel bad that I haven't kept it looking like it did when Corky first finished and flew it. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: cowling hinge pins
Date: Jul 13, 2008
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Date: Jul 13, 2008
From: "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: cowling hinge pins
Oscar, Yes, please pass the cowl pin idea along walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge,,, and no one can ever take it from you" Benjamin Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 10:50 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: cowling hinge pins > > > Walt; that is a great idea! I just pulled the cowl on my airplane > yesterday and was wondering about a way to secure the hinge pins. > Although they have never worked loose, my A&P asked me about securing them > when he did the last annual. Mine simply have legs bent on the ends > (L-shaped) but that little locking hook is nifty. If you don't mind, I'm > going to snag the photo and put it on my website for others to pick up. > > I put another 1.6 hours on 41CC yesterday in high and gusty winds, but it > was great fun and landing on the grass at bicycle speed into the stiff > wind was a piece of cake. > > I've sort of started to feel bad about the looks of the airplane. It's no > hangar queen... not very clean, a bit of oil smudge here and there on the > belly, fuel dye stains on the passenger floorboards, unused holes here and > there, and the spray-can color of blue paint that I used on the rebuilt > gear legs and cabanes doesn't quite match the PolyTone that Corky used on > the rest of the airplane. However, the airplane flies great, gives me no > trouble, and it smells like a real airplane everytime I climb into the > cockpit. No apologies once the airplane leaves the ground, but I feel bad > that I haven't kept it looking like it did when Corky first finished and > flew it. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Sky Gypsy
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 13, 2008
It's actually a Lambert. Which I believe is the same basic engine as the Velie. The Velie became the Lambert after an ownership change, I think. Mr. Pietenpol built an Air Camper with a Velie. I should have taken more pictures of it. It is a beauty! Don E. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192498#192498 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Sky Gypsy
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jul 13, 2008
Wow Don, that really looks sharp. Nice picture. Do you have more? Sky Gypsy was always a great looking Pietenpol, but this transformation is something else. Do you know if Frank has flown it yet? It would be great if he could fly it to Brodhead. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192584#192584 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call
Date: Jul 13, 2008
http://www.driveintheater.com/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: John Recine To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Annual Informal Brodhead Roll Call What's a drive in? John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kirk Huizenga <kirkh1(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: N444MH video
Date: Jul 13, 2008
Santiago, I'm still working stuff out with Grant - I'll let you know what is happening as I find out. Peace Kirk On May 15, 2008, at 11:25 AM, santiago morete wrote: > Grant MacLaren authorized me to get a copy of the video he made > during N444MH building http://users.aol.com/bpanews/video.html > Someone offers to make a DVD copy for me? Off course I will pay for > it. Thanks! > Saludos > > Santiago > > PS:Finally working on the propeller and dreaming of going to > Brodhead this year > > > __________________________________________________ > Correo Yahoo! > Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam =A1gratis! > =A1Abr=ED tu cuenta ya! - http://correo.yahoo.com.ar > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Sky Gypsy
From: "Jim E" <Ewang207(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 13, 2008
Unbelievable! You were right Don. That is amazing. Love the new paint scheme. I remember him saying something about leaving the wire wheels exposed this time. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192601#192601 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wing ribs/plans/gear brackets for sale
From: "bauple58" <bauple58(at)yahoo.com.au>
Date: Jul 14, 2008
Jim Did you manage to sell your Piet gear? Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192640#192640 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Sky Gypsy
From: "Jim E" <Ewang207(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 14, 2008
Is that a tail wheel hiding in the grass as well, or still a skid? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192719#192719 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 14, 2008
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: How light is your battery?
For you guys with batteries in your Piets which one are you using and what does it weigh? William Wynne recommends the Odyssey PC680 which weights 15 lbs for Corvairs. I was looking at some Miata racing stuff and came across this Braille racing battery with similiar output and cost which only weights 6 lbs. If it will start a 10 to 1 compression ratio Miata engine it should turn over a Corvair or O-200. Rick -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 14, 2008
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: How light is your battery?
Sorry, forgot to include the link: http://www.flyinmiata.com/index.php?deptid=4529&parentid=0&stocknumber=25-90000 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> Date: Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: How light is your battery? For you guys with batteries in your Piets which one are you using and what does it weigh? William Wynne recommends the Odyssey PC680 which weights 15 lbs for Corvairs. I was looking at some Miata racing stuff and came across this Braille racing battery with similiar output and cost which only weights 6 lbs. If it will start a 10 to 1 compression ratio Miata engine it should turn over a Corvair or O-200. Rick -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado * * -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: How light is your battery?
Date: Jul 14, 2008
Rick I use the Odessy 680 with my Rotec. It turns over fine and can be mounted in any position. Do you really care about weight that much when it forward of CG? 4 lb of weight roughly at the firewall equalls 1 lb at the tailwheel. Abit of weight at the FW can keep from having to move the wing back excessively. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 10:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: How light is your battery? For you guys with batteries in your Piets which one are you using and what does it weigh? William Wynne recommends the Odyssey PC680 which weights 15 lbs for Corvairs. I was looking at some Miata racing stuff and came across this Braille racing battery with similiar output and cost which only weights 6 lbs. If it will start a 10 to 1 compression ratio Miata engine it should turn over a Corvair or O-200. Rick -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: How light is your battery?
Date: Jul 15, 2008
From: hvandervoo(at)aol.com
Rick, I am using the ATP Ultrabat 13 from Aircraft Spruce, 10 LBs Hans -----Original Message----- From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:45 pm Subject: Fwd: Pietenpol-List: How light is your battery? Sorry, forgot to include the link: http://www.flyinmiata.com/index.php?deptid=4529&parentid=0&stocknumber=25-90000 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> Date: Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: How light is your battery? For you guys with batteries in your Piets which one are you using and what does it weigh? William Wynne recommends the Odyssey PC680 which weights 15 lbs for Corvairs. I was looking at some Miata racing stuff and came across this Braille racing battery with similiar output and cost which only weights 6 lbs. If it will start a 10 to 1 compression ratio Miata engine it should turn over a Corvair or O-200. Rick -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: How light is your battery?
Date: Jul 15, 2008
Rick Mark Langford has hundreds of hours on his Corvair-powered KR with both the 2700 and the 3100 "Big Boy" engines. He runs a Panasonic 18 amp-hour UPS battery that weighs, if I remember correctly, less than 6 lbs. He recently swapped it out for a 20 Ah battery that has the same form factor. It's just a sealed lead acid UPS battery, and I think it cost $24 or so from somewhere online. Mark's airplane has relatively full electrics, radio, EFIS, and of course starter and that little battery starts it just fine. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Wally Carson (1924-2008)
Date: Jul 15, 2008
Yesterday's obituaries listed Wallace B. "Wally" Carson as having died a few days ago. Wally gave me my first airplane ride, in his Luscombe, some 48 years ago. When I was growing up he was the GMAC finance manager at my grandfather's auto dealership, Gateway Chevrolet in Laredo, Texas. I remember that flight quite well. The ground melted away under the tires of the Luscombe and the next thing I knew I was looking at the Rio Grande river snaking around to encircle my home town, the hospital, the water tower... and here I am a half-century later, still marveling at the same sights. Funny thing is, I've never -not once since I've owned 41CC- had any kid ask me for a ride, or even seen kids hanging around the airport. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Abramson" <davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com>
Subject: Wally Carson (1924-2008)
Date: Jul 15, 2008
We have a Gated airport where I am building / flying.... Those kids could be terrorist in disguise! Not allowed to look around an airport like I used to do on my bicycle..... Times have changed???????????? Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 6:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wally Carson (1924-2008) Yesterday's obituaries listed Wallace B. "Wally" Carson as having died a few days ago. Wally gave me my first airplane ride, in his Luscombe, some 48 years ago. When I was growing up he was the GMAC finance manager at my grandfather's auto dealership, Gateway Chevrolet in Laredo, Texas. I remember that flight quite well. The ground melted away under the tires of the Luscombe and the next thing I knew I was looking at the Rio Grande river snaking around to encircle my home town, the hospital, the water tower... and here I am a half-century later, still marveling at the same sights. Funny thing is, I've never -not once since I've owned 41CC- had any kid ask me for a ride, or even seen kids hanging around the airport. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 15, 2008
Subject: Re: Wally Carson (1924-2008)
Oscar, I'd like to think that's because kids are looking higher; to space, but unfortunately I feel its because they get all the stimulation they want (need?) from a video screen. Why hang around an airport and beg for a ride when they can fly the plane any way they want at home on a computer? I actually had someone in their twenties tell me they knew how to fly. When I asked them what they had flown and how many hours, between the inventory and the hours something did not add up. When I pushed further they finally admitted it was all flight simm time. They had never actually sat in a pilots seat. They were quite indignant when I laughed and discounted all of it. They said it was easy and they could probably fly anything once thy knew where all the controls were. They were serious! Yah, for an open cockpit I guess an electric fan would make it a totally real experience? Fur sure. We are sorry about the passing of your friend Wally but he will live on as long as you connect him with the gift he gave you of your first flight. I remember mine in an Ercoupe when I was 16. Regards, Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 7/15/2008 8:23:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time, taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga Yesterday's obituaries listed Wallace B. "Wally" Carson as having died a few days ago. Wally gave me my first airplane ride, in his Luscombe, some 48 years ago. When I was growing up he was the GMAC finance manager at my grandfather's auto dealership, Gateway Chevrolet in Laredo, Texas. I remember that flight quite well. The ground melted away under the tires of the Luscombe and the next thing I knew I was looking at the Rio Grande river snaking around to encircle my home town, the hospital, the water tower... and here I am a half-century later, still marveling at the same sights. Funny thing is, I've never -not once since I've owned 41CC- had any kid ask me for a ride, or even seen kids hanging around the airport. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 15, 2008
Subject: Re: Wally Carson (1924-2008)
I think that may be one common thread many of us have, someone took us for our first flight at a young impressionable age? Young Eagles may be just the thing to make that imprint. Flown any Young Eagles lately? Regards, Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 7/15/2008 8:50:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dave Abramson" We have a Gated airport where I am building / flying.... Those kids could be terrorist in disguise! Not allowed to look around an airport like I used to do on my bicycle..... Times have changed???????????? Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 6:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wally Carson (1924-2008) Yesterday's obituaries listed Wallace B. "Wally" Carson as having died a few days ago. Wally gave me my first airplane ride, in his Luscombe, some 48 years ago. When I was growing up he was the GMAC finance manager at my grandfather's auto dealership, Gateway Chevrolet in Laredo, Texas. I remember that flight quite well. The ground melted away under the tires of the Luscombe and the next thing I knew I was looking at the Rio Grande river snaking around to encircle my home town, the hospital, the water tower... and here I am a half-century later, still marveling at the same sights. Funny thing is, I've never -not once since I've owned 41CC- had any kid ask me for a ride, or even seen kids hanging around the airport. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 15, 2008
Subject: First flight
Hello good people!! My first airplane flight was given to me by a Civil Air Patrol volunteer in an Aeronca Champ circa 1967 at Schaumburg (IL) Airport. His name was Rudy Gasperich. He was a tireless worker and was the fixture tow pilot for our CAP glider operation in a farmers field in Algonquin IL. back in those days. I can remember that he would sit in that towplane (PA-12) for about 4 hours at a time, never getting out of the seat. When he was running low on fuel he would fly over to Crystal Lake (now Lake-in-the-hills). ...........I guess that is why I am partial to Aeroncas. Anyway I met up with him many years later over at Poplar Grove, and told him how much I appreciated him for doing all that. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2008
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: How light is your battery?
Was just thinking about overall weight, but you are correct, forward CG is almost a good problem to have with a Piet. Did you mount your battery on the firewall? Rick On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Dick Navratil wrote: > Rick > I use the Odessy 680 with my Rotec. It turns over fine and can be mounted > in any position. Do you really care about weight that much when it forward > of CG? 4 lb of weight roughly at the firewall equalls 1 lb at the > tailwheel. Abit of weight at the FW can keep from having to move the wing > back excessively. > Dick N. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rick Holland > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Monday, July 14, 2008 10:18 PM > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: How light is your battery? > > For you guys with batteries in your Piets which one are you using and what > does it weigh? William Wynne recommends the Odyssey PC680 which weights 15 > lbs for Corvairs. I was looking at some Miata racing stuff and came across > this Braille racing battery with similiar output and cost which only weights > 6 lbs. If it will start a 10 to 1 compression ratio Miata engine it should > turn over a Corvair or O-200. > > Rick > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2008
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Wally Carson (1924-2008)
Agreed, I was going to say the same thing, most kids get their thrills with video games. And they don't have to learn FARs, take written and flight tests, etc. Rick On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:51 AM, wrote: > Oscar, I'd like to think that's because kids are looking higher; to > space, but unfortunately I feel its because they get all the stimulation > they want (need?) from a video screen. Why hang around an airport and beg > for a ride when they can fly the plane any way they want at home on a > computer? > I actually had someone in their twenties tell me they knew how to fly. When > I asked them what they had flown and how many hours, between the inventory > and the hours something did not add up. When I pushed further they finally > admitted it was all flight simm time. They had never actually sat in a > pilots seat. > They were quite indignant when I laughed and discounted all of it. > They said it was easy and they could probably fly anything once thy knew > where all the controls were. They were serious! > Yah, for an open cockpit I guess an electric fan would make it a totally > real experience? Fur sure. > > We are sorry about the passing of your friend Wally but he will live on as > long as you connect him with the gift he gave you of your first flight. I > remember mine in an Ercoupe when I was 16. > > Regards, Chrissi > > CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware > www.CozyGirrrl.com > Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo > Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details > ============================== > If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires > we fill out a form you will not hear from us. > Please do not make your spam problem ours. > In a message dated 7/15/2008 8:23:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes: > > > Yesterday's obituaries listed Wallace B. "Wally" Carson as having died a > few days ago. Wally gave me my first airplane ride, in his Luscombe, some > 48 years ago. When I was growing up he was the GMAC finance manager at my > grandfather's auto dealership, Gateway Chevrolet in Laredo, Texas. > > I remember that flight quite well. The ground melted away under the tires > of the Luscombe and the next thing I knew I was looking at the Rio Grande > river snaking around to encircle my home town, the hospital, the water > tower... and here I am a half-century later, still marveling at the same > sights. > > Funny thing is, I've never -not once since I've owned 41CC- had any kid ask > me for a ride, or even seen kids hanging around the airport. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at ======================= > e the es y --> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS nbsp; - > List Contribution Web Site ; > ======================== > > > ------------------------------ > Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in > your area - Check out TourTracker.com<http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112> > ! > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 15, 2008
Subject: Re: Wally Carson (1924-2008)
Maybe someone should lobby the video game companies to put Cessna Flight Centers first flight coupons in with video games, some on screen blurbs about Young Eagles? Sounds like a mission for Osh? If everybody talked to their EAA chapter officers and then when you go by Microsoft and the other flight simm booths you can mention how they should mention real flight opportunities in the opening credits? ...Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 7/15/2008 9:37:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time, at7000ft(at)gmail.com writes: Agreed, I was going to say the same thing, most kids get their thrills with video games. And they don't have to learn FARs, take written and flight tests, etc. Rick On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:51 AM, <_CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com_ (mailto:CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com) > wrote: Oscar, I'd like to think that's because kids are looking higher; to space, but unfortunately I feel its because they get all the stimulation they want (need?) from a video screen. Why hang around an airport and beg for a ride when they can fly the plane any way they want at home on a computer? I actually had someone in their twenties tell me they knew how to fly. When I asked them what they had flown and how many hours, between the inventory and the hours something did not add up. When I pushed further they finally admitted it was all flight simm time. They had never actually sat in a pilots seat. They were quite indignant when I laughed and discounted all of it. They said it was easy and they could probably fly anything once thy knew where all the controls were. They were serious! Yah, for an open cockpit I guess an electric fan would make it a totally real experience? Fur sure. We are sorry about the passing of your friend Wally but he will live on as long as you connect him with the gift he gave you of your first flight. I remember mine in an Ercoupe when I was 16. Regards, Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware _www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 7/15/2008 8:23:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time, _taildrags(at)hotmail.com_ (mailto:taildrags(at)hotmail.com) writes: (mailto:taildrags(at)hotmail.com) > Yesterday's obituaries listed Wallace B. "Wally" Carson as having died a few days ago. Wally gave me my first airplane ride, in his Luscombe, some 48 years ago. When I was growing up he was the GMAC finance manager at my grandfather's auto dealership, Gateway Chevrolet in Laredo, Texas. I remember that flight quite well. The ground melted away under the tires of the Luscombe and the next thing I knew I was looking at the Rio Grande river snaking around to encircle my home town, the hospital, the water tower... and here I am a half-century later, still marveling at the same sights. Funny thing is, I've never -not once since I've owned 41CC- had any kid ask me for a ride, or even seen kids hanging around the airport. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: _taildrags(at)hotmail.com_ (mailto:taildrags(at)hotmail.com) website at ======================= e the es y --> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS nbsp; - List Contribution Web Site ; ======================== ____________________________________ Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - _Check out TourTracker.com_ (http://www.tourtracker.com/?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ! -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Wally Carson (1924-2008)
Date: Jul 15, 2008
There is a lot to compete for leisure time that we did not have as kids; all of it in the comfort of our own homes. We used to play pickup baseball and now it is soccer tournaments, all organized by parents. My guess is there are a lot of parents that would not only NOT encourage a bike trip to the airport but would not allow them to ride their bike there in the first place. I don't think I am old at 44, but I do remember when a friend of ours who was a feed salesman gave us a four function calculator he had as a promotional item. That was pretty cool to push those buttons and see those LEDs light up. My first ride was with a traffic reporter in Sacrament, CA (Bill Black). My dad new him from Lions Club and he invited us up for a morning. That ride has stuck with me and fueled a passion that has lasted for 39 years. But, on the positive side, I have a 13 year old daughter that loves to fly and hang out at the airport. The airport bums love having her around and she is always ready to jump in the Cub. I always let her run around the airport and explore. She was timid to do that at first, but now takes it as routine. I often find her in one of the chairs in Steve Krog's hangar just reading a book and and being where the action is. HXF is a different kind of airport I guess, no fence and lots of neat airplanes. Last Saturday when I was at the gas pump, I spied three Cubs, two champs, two PA-12s and a Travel Air. Not too bad for 9:00 A.M. on a Saturday. I Ramble, -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com On Jul 15, 2008, at 8:56 AM, CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com wrote: > I think that may be one common thread many of us have, someone took > us for our first flight at a young impressionable age? > Young Eagles may be just the thing to make that imprint. > Flown any Young Eagles lately? > > Regards, Chrissi > > CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware > www.CozyGirrrl.com > Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo > Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details > ============================== > If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires > we fill out a form you will not hear from us. > Please do not make your spam problem ours. > > In a message dated 7/15/2008 8:50:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com > writes: > > > > We have a Gated airport where I am building / flying.... Those kids > could > be terrorist in disguise! Not allowed to look around an airport > like I used > to do on my bicycle..... Times have changed???????????? > > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar > Zuniga > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 6:20 AM > To: Pietenpol List > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wally Carson (1924-2008) > > > > > > > Yesterday's obituaries listed Wallace B. "Wally" Carson as having > died a few > days ago. Wally gave me my first airplane ride, in his Luscombe, > some 48 > years ago. When I was growing up he was the GMAC finance manager at > my > grandfather's auto dealership, Gateway Chevrolet in Laredo, Texas. > > I remember that flight quite well. The ground melted away under the > tires > of the Luscombe and the next thing I knew I was looking at the Rio > Grande > river snaking around to encircle my home town, the hospital, the water > tower... and here I am a half-century later, still marveling at the > same > sights. > > Funny thing is, I've never -not once since I've owned 41CC- had any > kid ask > me for a ride, or even seen kids hanging around the airport. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at e the es y --> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS > nbsp; - List Contribution Web > Site ; ======================== > > > Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene > in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 15, 2008
Subject: Re: Placing Cessna advertising in flight sim games
Chrissy, Brilliant idea! Are you a marketing major? This idea needs to be conveyed to Cessna....It would be the best advertising money they ever spent! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
Subject: Wally Carson (1924-2008)
Date: Jul 15, 2008
> Funny thing is, I've never -not once since I've owned 41CC- had any kid > ask me for a ride, or even seen kids hanging around the airport. We have to go get them. Best movies ever was a recent topic. One I didn't see mentioned is a new movie called One Six Right http://www.terwilligerproductions.com/onesixright/ It addresses the issue in a very moving documentary with the most beautiful cinematography you'll ever see. Watch it on your computer or on a high-def TV and you'll be brought to tears. Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 15, 2008
Subject: Re: Placing Cessna advertising in flight sim games
LOL, no, engineering geekette that worked close to marketing =) I have no idea why Cessna and Sporties does not go for it, Sporties should put their free sample lesson DVD in with each game DVD and get more bang for their buck. MS Flight Simm had Rod Machado do the tutorials for Flight Simm, it sort of works, often malfunctioned and not let you continue to the next level of tutorial, you lose the continuity, honest I did not fail a lesson! =) But the tutorial in conjunction with the very clearly done 3D lessons from Sporty's and some incentive coupons from Cessna, contact information from EAA Young Eagles...is there room in a DVD case for the cattle prod to get their butts off the sofa? This is like me trying to get an old boyfriend to come to Osh the first time, I desperately want him to come and experience it but truthfully you can't want it for them more than they do for themselves. Either they find the self motivation at some point or they are just not interested enough to carry through. I remember in the 70's a friend of mine (business partner) was a Marine Reserve UH-1B Huey pilot, he would do these hops during the week where he'd arrange with a high school to land on their sports field and then let the kids come out and check out the Huey. I loved to drive over and watch the kids geek out on the helicopter. Regards, Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 7/15/2008 10:05:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, HelsperSew(at)aol.com writes: Chrissy, Brilliant idea! Are you a marketing major? This idea needs to be conveyed to Cessna....It would be the best advertising money they ever spent! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ____________________________________ Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - _Check out TourTracker.com_ (http://www.tourtracker.com/?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ! (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 15, 2008
Subject: One Six Right
One Six Right There will probably be a showing of it at Osh, theater in the woods or maybe the museum? CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 7/15/2008 10:23:03 A.M. Central Daylight Time, panzera@experimental-aviation.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com> > Funny thing is, I've never -not once since I've owned 41CC- had any kid > ask me for a ride, or even seen kids hanging around the airport. We have to go get them. Best movies ever was a recent topic. One I didn't see mentioned is a new movie called One Six Right http://www.terwilligerproductions.com/onesixright/ It addresses the issue in a very moving documentary with the most beautiful cinematography you'll ever see. Watch it on your computer or on a high-def TV and you'll be brought to tears. Pat **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
Subject: One Six Right
Date: Jul 15, 2008
One Six Right There will probably be a showing of it at Osh, theater in the woods or maybe the museum? Probably yes to both but do yourself a favor and buy the DVD. It's totally worth owning. Hopefully you already saw the trailer I sent. Here's some poor quality YouTube versions that will give you a better idea of what it's all about. http://youtube.com/watch?v=r6Zwv6iRh5w http://youtube.com/watch?v=B_MahVsiQ98 Be sure and read the comments. Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jul 15, 2008
Subject: Re: Wally Carson (1924-2008)
Oscar, the kid ,14 years old and taller than me, with me the other day won't ask for a ride. He is just that quiet. but he loves flying. Part of it may be that they don't think that they will get a ride. Also their parents don't want them to "beg" or bother people. A pilot invited him to ride in his Pelecan LSA. He really enjoyed it. Several months ago I flew him in my Vtail. My boys are split. One is wary of flying (he gets motion sick) and the other argues that he loves planes more than I do. Just remember, I am almost always willing to go up. Blue Skies, Steve D 35 SA, GRT ----- Original Message ----- From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:43 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wally Carson (1924-2008) > > > Yesterday's obituaries listed Wallace B. "Wally" Carson as having > died a few days ago. Wally gave me my first airplane ride, in his > Luscombe, some 48 years ago. When I was growing up he was the > GMAC finance manager at my grandfather's auto dealership, Gateway > Chevrolet in Laredo, Texas. > > I remember that flight quite well. The ground melted away under > the tires of the Luscombe and the next thing I knew I was looking > at the Rio Grande river snaking around to encircle my home town, > the hospital, the water tower... and here I am a half-century > later, still marveling at the same sights. > > Funny thing is, I've never -not once since I've owned 41CC- had > any kid ask me for a ride, or even seen kids hanging around the > airport. > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 15, 2008
Subject: Re: Wally Carson (1924-2008)
If any one of you wake up and find either Randi or I sitting in your front seat, please ask us if we want a ride, OK? =) ....Chrissi (any excuse for an aeroplane ride will do) CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details =============================== In a message dated 7/15/2008 1:05:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" Oscar, the kid ,14 years old and taller than me, with me the other day won't ask for a ride. He is just that quiet. but he loves flying. Part of it may be that they don't think that they will get a ride. Also their parents don't want them to "beg" or bother people. A pilot invited him to ride in his Pelecan LSA. He really enjoyed it. Several months ago I flew him in my Vtail. My boys are split. One is wary of flying (he gets motion sick) and the other argues that he loves planes more than I do. Just remember, I am almost always willing to go up. Blue Skies, Steve D 35 SA, GRT ----- Original Message ----- From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:43 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wally Carson (1924-2008) > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga > > > Yesterday's obituaries listed Wallace B. "Wally" Carson as having > died a few days ago. Wally gave me my first airplane ride, in his > Luscombe, some 48 years ago. When I was growing up he was the > GMAC finance manager at my grandfather's auto dealership, Gateway > Chevrolet in Laredo, Texas. > > I remember that flight quite well. The ground melted away under > the tires of the Luscombe and the next thing I knew I was looking > at the Rio Grande river snaking around to encircle my home town, > the hospital, the water tower... and here I am a half-century > later, still marveling at the same sights. > > Funny thing is, I've never -not once since I've owned 41CC- had > any kid ask me for a ride, or even seen kids hanging around the > airport. > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > > **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2008
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Wally Carson (1924-2008)
Oscar, Maybe kids look at Piets and wonder if they can really fly, like me boarding a C-119 many years ago, or anyone watching a bumblebee. Little do they know that you can cuise at Mach .1 How about a ride for this big fat old kid next Saturday? Tim in central TX ========================== >> Funny thing is, I've never -not once since I've owned 41CC- had any kid ask me for a ride, or even seen kids hanging around the airport. >> Oscar Zuniga ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 15, 2008
Subject: Re: Wally Carson (1924-2008)
Tim, If you can manage to wiggle in the front pit of 41CC I'll bet your ass will never get out. Nathan **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2008
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Wally Carson (1924-2008)
Nathan and Corky, You are right about that. I'd never get in. Oscar offered me a ride-- even with me in the back seat and him in the front-- but I have material "fit and finish" issues, as you know. I am too tall, too wide, and I don't bend. My knees still hit the now-truncated instrument panel bottom in the back pit of your long fuze 31CC. Where is Chuck Gantzer and his baby oil, when you need him? And of course, with me in the back, there would be CG issues, too. However, I'll be content to prop Oscar and smell the slipstream as he rolls 41CC away, and see him make some low passes down the grass strip. Re 31CC, I am still looking for the best place for steps (1,2,3? haha) for me-- fuhgetaboutit-- no step for the passenger. Can you say "Ladder"? Tim in central TX working on NX44TT (Corky's former 31CC)-- "I love the smell of epoxy in the morning" -----Original Message----- >From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com >Sent: Jul 15, 2008 1:46 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wally Carson (1924-2008) > >Tim, >If you can manage to wiggle in the front pit of 41CC I'll bet your ass will >never get out. >Nathan > > >**************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music >scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! >(http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2008
From: "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Wally Carson (1924-2008)
Oscar, I'm not a big ride giver, But I've given my share. I think we see the ride giving in a different perspective. We forget how little the riders know about flying. Which is good thing. Because we don't realize what impact we have on these people. Just last night, my freind Don called (he was on the youtube video with me) He's a retired IRS agent,,, He realized life was too short, and after flying with me , he started glider lessons. He's got about 20 hours and wants to fly with me again soon. Another success story. I guess we do make a difference.

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