Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-gv
July 15, 2008 - July 31, 2008
Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-gv
July 15, 2008 - July 31, 2008
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge,,, and no one can ever take it from you"
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 9:19 AM
Subject: Wally Carson (1924-2008)
>
>
> Yesterday's obituaries listed Wallace B. "Wally" Carson as having died a
> few days ago. Wally gave me my first airplane ride, in his Luscombe, some
> 48 years ago. When I was growing up he was the GMAC finance manager at my
> grandfather's auto dealership, Gateway Chevrolet in Laredo, Texas.
>
> I remember that flight quite well. The ground melted away under the tires
> of the Luscombe and the next thing I knew I was looking at the Rio Grande
> river snaking around to encircle my home town, the hospital, the water
> tower... and here I am a half-century later, still marveling at the same
> sights.
>
> Funny thing is, I've never -not once since I've owned 41CC- had any kid
> ask me for a ride, or even seen kids hanging around the airport.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
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Subject: Wally Carson (1924-2008)
Date: Jul 15, 2008
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA FORSCOM" <Steven.D.Dortch(at)us.army.mil>
I try to keep first rides to aobut 20 minutes. I try to do them in the
AM when it is smother and I don't do any radical maneuvers. I want the
first time flyer to really enjoy the experience and come back for more.
Perhaps learning to fly.
We have to grow our own to keep aviation healthy.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wally Carson (1924-2008)
Oscar,
I'm not a big ride giver, But I've given my share.
I think we see the ride giving in a different perspective. We forget
how little the riders know about flying. Which is good thing. Because
we don't realize what impact we have on these people.
Just last night, my freind Don called (he was on the youtube video with
me) He's a retired IRS agent,,, He realized life was too short, and
after flying with me , he started glider lessons.
He's got about 20 hours and wants to fly with me again soon.
Another success story.
I guess we do make a difference.
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge,,, and no one can ever take it from you"
Benjamin Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 9:19 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wally Carson (1924-2008)
>
>
> Yesterday's obituaries listed Wallace B. "Wally" Carson as having died
a
> few days ago. Wally gave me my first airplane ride, in his Luscombe,
some
> 48 years ago. When I was growing up he was the GMAC finance manager
at my
> grandfather's auto dealership, Gateway Chevrolet in Laredo, Texas.
>
> I remember that flight quite well. The ground melted away under the
tires
> of the Luscombe and the next thing I knew I was looking at the Rio
Grande
> river snaking around to encircle my home town, the hospital, the water
> tower... and here I am a half-century later, still marveling at the
same
> sights.
>
> Funny thing is, I've never -not once since I've owned 41CC- had any
kid
> ask me for a ride, or even seen kids hanging around the airport.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2008
From: Pastor Mike <miket(at)southslope.net>
Subject: Re: Wally Carson (1924-2008)
Steve,
You hit it on the head!
Pastor Mike in Iowa
Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM wrote:
>
> Oscar, the kid ,14 years old and taller than me, with me the other day won't
ask for a ride. He is just that quiet. but he loves flying. Part of it may be
that they don't think that they will get a ride. Also their parents don't want
them to "beg" or bother people. A pilot invited him to ride in his Pelecan LSA.
He really enjoyed it. Several months ago I flew him in my Vtail.
>
> My boys are split. One is wary of flying (he gets motion sick) and the other
argues that he loves planes more than I do.
>
> Just remember, I am almost always willing to go up.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
> 35
> SA, GRT
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
> Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:43
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wally Carson (1924-2008)
> To: Pietenpol List
>
>
>>
>>
>> Yesterday's obituaries listed Wallace B. "Wally" Carson as having
>> died a few days ago. Wally gave me my first airplane ride, in his
>> Luscombe, some 48 years ago. When I was growing up he was the
>> GMAC finance manager at my grandfather's auto dealership, Gateway
>> Chevrolet in Laredo, Texas.
>>
>> I remember that flight quite well. The ground melted away under
>> the tires of the Luscombe and the next thing I knew I was looking
>> at the Rio Grande river snaking around to encircle my home town,
>> the hospital, the water tower... and here I am a half-century
>> later, still marveling at the same sights.
>>
>> Funny thing is, I've never -not once since I've owned 41CC- had
>> any kid ask me for a ride, or even seen kids hanging around the
>> airport.
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Air Camper NX41CC
>> San Antonio, TX
>> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 15, 2008
Subject: Re: Wally Carson (1924-2008)
"Very typically upon landing, their first comment is to their spouses. "How
soon will you finish yours?""
... oh crap, we don't have anyone to build one for us!
Now What?
=) Chrissi
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Very typically upon landing, their first comment is to their spouses. "How
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From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 15, 2008
Subject: Brodhead.. Giving rides
Steve D said "I try to do them in the
AM when it is smother and I don't do any radical maneuvers. I want the
first time flyer to really enjoy the experience and come back for more.
Perhaps learning to fly. "
Steve, you mean you don't do gentle S turns by banking 90 degrees and pull
full up elevator?
(my "introductory ride" in a Long-Ez)
Oh gee, lets see if we can make the chic scream.
I guess there is an advantage to being a passenger in an open cockpit plane
'cause when you hurl the pilot gets a second breakfast =)
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In a message dated 7/15/2008 3:52:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
Steven.D.Dortch(at)us.army.mil writes:
I try to do them in the
AM when it is smother and I don't do any radical maneuvers. I want the
first time flyer to really enjoy the experience and come back for more.
Perhaps learning to fly.
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From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: How light is your battery?
Date: Jul 15, 2008
No, there isnt enough room on the FW. Its under the bridge deck in
front of the passanger.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: How light is your battery?
Was just thinking about overall weight, but you are correct, forward
CG is almost a good problem to have with a Piet. Did you mount your
battery on the firewall?
Rick
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Dick Navratil
wrote:
Rick
I use the Odessy 680 with my Rotec. It turns over fine and can be
mounted in any position. Do you really care about weight that much when
it forward of CG? 4 lb of weight roughly at the firewall equalls 1 lb
at the tailwheel. Abit of weight at the FW can keep from having to move
the wing back excessively.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 10:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: How light is your battery?
For you guys with batteries in your Piets which one are you using
and what does it weigh? William Wynne recommends the Odyssey PC680 which
weights 15 lbs for Corvairs. I was looking at some Miata racing stuff
and came across this Braille racing battery with similiar output and
cost which only weights 6 lbs. If it will start a 10 to 1 compression
ratio Miata engine it should turn over a Corvair or O-200.
Rick
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From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: a dissapointing day
Date: Jul 15, 2008
I have been working on flying off the hours getting the Rotec Piet ready
to go to Brodhead. I have been having some problems with my prop, it
wasn't carved or balanced right from the start. I re carved and
balanced it. Today with 38.3 hours, I found a crack in the prop at the
hub and going out thru one of the bolt holes. There isnt enough time to
get a new one at this point, so I will have to fly the A-65 Piet
instead. I cant just trade props because the hub pattern is different.
Dick N.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net>
Subject: Re: How light is your battery?
Date: Jul 15, 2008
The Piet I have was originally designed for a Corvair engine which
froze up. (described in Chet Peek's Pietenpol book)
Ray Hill then installed a much lighter A-65 Continental. When I
bought the plane it was seriously tail heavy. I installed the
heaviest gel cell I could find, 30 # in front of the firewall behind
the engine. And, for some reason the engine mount was built 4 inches
SHORTER than the plan shows, which didn't help.
Roman Bukolt NX20795
On Jul 15, 2008, at 9:13 PM, Dick Navratil wrote:
> No, there isnt enough room on the FW. Its under the bridge deck in
> front of the passanger.
> Dick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick Holland
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 9:26 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: How light is your battery?
>
> Was just thinking about overall weight, but you are correct, forward
> CG is almost a good problem to have with a Piet. Did you mount your
> battery on the firewall?
>
> Rick
>
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Dick Navratil > wrote:
> Rick
> I use the Odessy 680 with my Rotec. It turns over fine and can be
> mounted in any position. Do you really care about weight that much
> when it forward of CG? 4 lb of weight roughly at the firewall
> equalls 1 lb at the tailwheel. Abit of weight at the FW can keep
> from having to move the wing back excessively.
> Dick N.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick Holland
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 10:18 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: How light is your battery?
>
> For you guys with batteries in your Piets which one are you using
> and what does it weigh? William Wynne recommends the Odyssey PC680
> which weights 15 lbs for Corvairs. I was looking at some Miata
> racing stuff and came across this Braille racing battery with
> similiar output and cost which only weights 6 lbs. If it will start
> a 10 to 1 compression ratio Miata engine it should turn over a
> Corvair or O-200.
>
> Rick
>
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>
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From: "bike.mike" <bike.mike(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Best movie flying scenes
Date: Jul 15, 2008
With all the talk about great flying movies, I wasn't going to challenge
anyone.
However, two of my favorite scenes are from
"Out of Africa" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TPYwwKAVA8&feature=related
and from
"Never Cry Wolf"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD9RCz0C7sA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKJD8x64KXY
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Subject: a dissapointing day
Date: Jul 16, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
Bummer, Dick, but glad you found it instead of shedding a blade and
shaking that pretty engine off its mount.
Have you tried contacting the Rotec folks to see if they have a prop
they can loan you? Since they probably want your plane on display at
OSH they might be able to accommodate you.
Jack Phillips
Counting the hours (167) till I can take off and begin the trip to
Brodhead
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick
Navratil
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: a dissapointing day
I have been working on flying off the hours getting the Rotec Piet ready
to go to Brodhead. I have been having some problems with my prop, it
wasn't carved or balanced right from the start. I re carved and
balanced it. Today with 38.3 hours, I found a crack in the prop at the
hub and going out thru one of the bolt holes. There isnt enough time to
get a new one at this point, so I will have to fly the A-65 Piet
instead. I cant just trade props because the hub pattern is different.
Dick N.
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From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: a dissapointing day
Date: Jan 18, 2003
Dick, Sorry to hear the new Piet will not be able to make Brodhead, glad you found
the crack while on the ground! Nice to have a back-up Piet.
Looks like Felix will not make Brodhead again, small health issue, mine not the
Piet. So will be driving a road vehicle again.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Navratil
Sent: 7/15/2008 9:28:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: a dissapointing day
I have been working on flying off the hours getting the Rotec Piet ready to go
to Brodhead. I have been having some problems with my prop, it wasn't carved
or balanced right from the start. I re carved and balanced it. Today with 38.3
hours, I found a crack in the prop at the hub and going out thru one of the
bolt holes. There isnt enough time to get a new one at this point, so I will
have to fly the A-65 Piet instead. I cant just trade props because the hub pattern
is different.
Dick N.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <GeneRambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: a dissapointing day
Date: Jul 16, 2008
I doubt the Rotax people would be willing to do anything. I have a
friend with two of their engines, and the very first time he flew one,
two cylinder studs broke off of one cylinder. Their only response was
"oh yea, we had a bad run of cylinder studs that are all flawed, you'll
have to change them all out" (at your own expense) Note that they have
not informed anyone else about this flaw!!
Dick, you might want to make sure that the imbalance was not a result of
something in the engine rather than the prop. I believe that all of the
bad studs are black. You might check the torque on all of them to see
if any are loose, but be prepared, the bad ones WILL BREAK OFF when you
try to torque them.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack<mailto:Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 7:39 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: a dissapointing day
Bummer, Dick, but glad you found it instead of shedding a blade and
shaking that pretty engine off its mount.
Have you tried contacting the Rotec folks to see if they have a prop
they can loan you? Since they probably want your plane on display at
OSH they might be able to accommodate you.
Jack Phillips
Counting the hours (167) till I can take off and begin the trip to
Brodhead
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick
Navratil
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:23 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: a dissapointing day
I have been working on flying off the hours getting the Rotec Piet
ready to go to Brodhead. I have been having some problems with my prop,
it wasn't carved or balanced right from the start. I re carved and
balanced it. Today with 38.3 hours, I found a crack in the prop at the
hub and going out thru one of the bolt holes. There isnt enough time to
get a new one at this point, so I will have to fly the A-65 Piet
instead. I cant just trade props because the hub pattern is different.
Dick N.
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From: "Gene Rambo" <GeneRambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: a dissapointing day
Date: Jul 16, 2008
obviously I meant Rotec, not Rotax
Gene
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Subject: Rotec vs. Rotax
Date: Jul 16, 2008
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Really sorry to hear about your prop Dick but great to hear you were on
top of things and found it before the prop departed
in flight which could have made your day go from disappointing to
disastrous. Good going. Good thing your 1st Piet hasn't
sold yet.
Maybe Gene R. just had a typo but the Rotec is a totally different
engine and company than Rotax. If not that's a good thing
to note if it is in fact happening on the Rotec engines to keep an eye
out for.
Mike C.
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From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 16, 2008
Subject: Re: Best movie flying scenes
"Out of Africa & Never Cry Wolfe"
...oh god, two of my favorite movies Mike. I get all weepy just hearing the
theme music from Out of Africa, has NOTHING to do with being born there (does
that make me African-American?) and the award winning music and videography
of Never Cry Wolfe, a treat for the eyes and ears!
Regards, Chrissi
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In a message dated 7/16/2008 12:53:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bike.mike"
With all the talk about great flying movies, I wasn't going to challenge
anyone.
However, two of my favorite scenes are from
"Out of Africa" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TPYwwKAVA8&feature=related
and from
"Never Cry Wolf"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD9RCz0C7sA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKJD8x64KXY
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From: "Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb(at)charter.net>
Subject: 25 vs. 40 hour flyoff
Date: Jul 16, 2008
My FAA/DAR inspected my plane yesterday and agrees it is airworthy.
However, he is uncomfortable giving me a 25 hour fly off time, even tho
I have a factory built McCauley metal prop and a 65hp Continental
engine. Can any of you out there help me with information/regs that
would support a 25hr vs. 40 hour flyoff time??--Jim Lagowski, NX221PT
________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: 25 vs. 40 hour flyoff
Date: Jul 16, 2008
Advisory Circular (AC 20-27F) part 13 Phase I Flight Testing has the
25 hour guidance. I believe, while it is a guideline, the FAA leaves
it up the specific inspector to make the decision in the vague way.
You can download AC 20-27F from EAA and probably the FAA website.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
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Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
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Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Jul 16, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Lagowski Morrow wrote:
> My FAA/DAR inspected my plane yesterday and agrees it is airworthy.
> However, he is uncomfortable giving me a 25 hour fly off time, even
> tho I have a factory built McCauley metal prop and a 65hp
> Continental engine. Can any of you out there help me with
> information/regs that would support a 25hr vs. 40 hour flyoff
> time??--Jim Lagowski, NX221PT
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 25 vs. 40 hour flyoff
Date: Jul 16, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
Jim,
My Pietenpol was inspected by the FAA - Rich Litka from the Greensboro
FSDO, not a DAR. He signed mine off with a 25 hour fly off, based on
the fact that I had an A65 Continental and a certified Sensenich prop.
I suggest you show the DAR the FARs and as John Hofmann said, the
gudiance in the amateur built circular.
Jack Phillips
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lagowski
Morrow
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 25 vs. 40 hour flyoff
My FAA/DAR inspected my plane yesterday and agrees it is airworthy.
However, he is uncomfortable giving me a 25 hour fly off time, even tho
I have a factory built McCauley metal prop and a 65hp Continental
engine. Can any of you out there help me with information/regs that
would support a 25hr vs. 40 hour flyoff time??--Jim Lagowski, NX221PT
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Date: Jul 16, 2008
From: Pastor Mike <miket(at)southslope.net>
Subject: Re: Best movie flying scenes
The flying and music from "Out of Africa" was beautiful!! It reminded me
of some of the movie "High Road to China", my favorite flying movie..but
I have not seen "Out of Africa" yet, so I am going to get it!
Thanks
Pastor Mike in Iowa
bike.mike wrote:
>
> With all the talk about great flying movies, I wasn't going to challenge
> anyone.
> However, two of my favorite scenes are from
> "Out of Africa" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TPYwwKAVA8&feature=related
>
> and from
> "Never Cry Wolf"
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD9RCz0C7sA&feature=related
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKJD8x64KXY
>
>
>
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From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 16, 2008
Subject: Re: Best movie flying scenes
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TPYwwKAVA8&feature=related_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TPYwwKAVA8&feature=related)
Ughhh, you just had to post the link, I just had to watch it again and get
all choked up, how can you not?
Must be the meds from the root canal wearing off.
Thanks, Chrissi
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From: santiago morete <moretesantiago(at)yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: N444MH video
Thanks Kirk. I'll be waiting.
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From: "Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: 25 vs. 40 hour flyoff
Date: Jul 16, 2008
John, thanks!!--Jim lagowski
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hofmann
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 25 vs. 40 hour flyoff
Advisory Circular (AC 20-27F) part 13 Phase I Flight Testing has the
25 hour guidance. I believe, while it is a guideline, the FAA leaves it
up the specific inspector to make the decision in the vague way. You can
download AC 20-27F from EAA and probably the FAA website.
-john-
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On Jul 16, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Lagowski Morrow wrote:
My FAA/DAR inspected my plane yesterday and agrees it is airworthy.
However, he is uncomfortable giving me a 25 hour fly off time, even tho
I have a factory built McCauley metal prop and a 65hp Continental
engine. Can any of you out there help me with information/regs that
would support a 25hr vs. 40 hour flyoff time??--Jim Lagowski, NX221PT
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From: "Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: 25 vs. 40 hour flyoff
Date: Jul 16, 2008
Jack, again, thanks for your help--Jim Lagowski
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:42 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 25 vs. 40 hour flyoff
Jim,
My Pietenpol was inspected by the FAA - Rich Litka from the Greensboro
FSDO, not a DAR. He signed mine off with a 25 hour fly off, based on
the fact that I had an A65 Continental and a certified Sensenich prop.
I suggest you show the DAR the FARs and as John Hofmann said, the
gudiance in the amateur built circular.
Jack Phillips
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: 25 vs. 40 hour flyoff
My FAA/DAR inspected my plane yesterday and agrees it is airworthy.
However, he is uncomfortable giving me a 25 hour fly off time, even tho
I have a factory built McCauley metal prop and a 65hp Continental
engine. Can any of you out there help me with information/regs that
would support a 25hr vs. 40 hour flyoff time??--Jim Lagowski, NX221PT
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Date: Jul 16, 2008
From: Pastor Mike <miket(at)southslope.net>
Subject: Re: Best movie flying scenes
Here is a scene from "High Road to China"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16nV7g3rFoU
Tom Selleck is the drunk, Bess is the aerobatic pilot!
Mike in Iowa
Pastor Mike wrote:
>
> The flying and music from "Out of Africa" was beautiful!! It reminded
> me of some of the movie "High Road to China", my favorite flying
> movie..but I have not seen "Out of Africa" yet, so I am going to get it!
> Thanks
> Pastor Mike in Iowa
>
> bike.mike wrote:
>>
>>
>> With all the talk about great flying movies, I wasn't going to challenge
>> anyone.
>> However, two of my favorite scenes are from
>> "Out of Africa"
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TPYwwKAVA8&feature=related
>>
>> and from
>> "Never Cry Wolf"
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD9RCz0C7sA&feature=related
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKJD8x64KXY
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 16, 2008
Subject: Re: Best movie flying scenes
Can'r believe we've never seen High Road to China.. it sounded familiar but
I think that was a Bob Hope comedy?
Oh, yes, I'll watch Tom Selleck any day.
...Chrissi
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Date: Jul 16, 2008
From: "ALAN LYSCARS" <alyscars(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Best movie flying scenes
Don't hold your breath.
I just tried to rent it on Netflix; seems they've never heard of it.
Shame.
Al Lyscars
Manchester, NH
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Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best movie flying scenes
Can'r believe we've never seen High Road to China.. it sounded
familiar but I think that was a Bob Hope comedy?
Oh, yes, I'll watch Tom Selleck any day.
...Chrissi
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From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 16, 2008
Subject: Trek to Osh ride needed from New England
Anybody in the New England area needing a passenger to drive or fly to Osh
and share expenses?
I have a friend on the Cape and his other ride just fell through. He can
drive a ways to meet up.
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Date: Jul 16, 2008
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: 25 vs. 40 hour flyoff
I believe the way the regs read, the prop/engine combination have to
have been approved on a certificated airplane to qualify for the 25 hr
flyoff. At least I hope thats the rule, cause I spent extra to buy a
Sensenich 72CK42 for my A-65, because that is an approved combination in
a J-3 for a climb prop.
Ben
Lagowski Morrow wrote:
> My FAA/DAR inspected my plane yesterday and agrees it is airworthy.
> However, he is uncomfortable giving me a 25 hour fly off time, even
> tho I have a factory built McCauley metal prop and a 65hp Continental
> engine. Can any of you out there help me with information/regs that
> would support a 25hr vs. 40 hour flyoff time??--Jim Lagowski, NX221PT
> *
>
>
> *
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From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Rotec Piet and more
Date: Jul 16, 2008
Unfortunatly it is a bit late to ask the guys at Rotec to pack a prop
from Australia. I have been very happy with the customer service from
Rotec. They informed me about a design change and even though the
engine is out of warranty, I paid shipping one way and they did updates
on the PSRU and paid the return to me. I expect alot in the way of
service and they have delivered for me. My questions problems have
always gotten prompt answers. I havent heard anything about cyl studs
but I will ask at OSH. My problems have been with the prop. It was
not carved right. I'm not sure of what kind of wood they used but I
suspect that might be at the core of the problem. I am going to spend
the $ to order a Sensenich.
Yes Mike, I am lucky in a way that I have been way too busy to get the
other Piet listed for sale. I will be at Brodhead with a For Sale sign,
ready and willing to thumb for a ride home.
Dick N.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2008
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Best movie flying scenes
Here you go kiddo!
http://www.amazon.ca/High-Road-China/dp/B00001ZU18/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/702-
1928874-5258452?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1216272426&sr=8-1
Clif
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Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best movie flying scenes
Can'r believe we've never seen High Road to China.. it sounded
familiar but I think that was a Bob Hope comedy?
Oh, yes, I'll watch Tom Selleck any day.
...Chrissi
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Date: Jul 17, 2008
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Ultimate Experimental Aircraft
Check out this video of Burt Rutan's latest project. I understand the
mothership will be rolled out in Mojave the Monday that Oshkosh starts,
and that Burt will be speaking at Osh on Tuesday night. I've lived on
the space coast my whole life and think its amazing that a private
company could make the achievements of the X-prize during the Spaceship
One project. Spaceship Two takes it to a whole new level.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBo8t0B5NhM
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Counting down the days to Brodhead
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From: "Perry Rhoads" <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Roll Call
Date: Jul 17, 2008
Chet,
Any luck with the Piet cooling problem? Have you been able to figure out
if you have the long or short fuselage? I have the plans to both, and
can provide the measurements if you need them.
Perry Rhoads
217-254-8062 cell
217-854-2521 office
----- Original Message -----
From: Chet's Mail
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 7:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Roll Call
Cathy and I (Chet) will be driving up from Missouri, I would like to
fly the piet that Don Hicks built but I have not found the problem of my
engine and it getting hot.
Looking forward to seeing everyone.
Chet & Cathy Hartley NX920Y
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Calling all Piet Pilots!
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 17, 2008
Hey Piet Pilots...
As we all know the main event of the year for us is happening next week. :D For
Ford Model T enthusiasts, next week is also a big week. For a couple of years
now the Model T guys have been planning a 100 year anniversary celebration
of the Ford Model T. It is going on at the Richmond, Indiana fairgrounds and
starts this Sunday and runs the whole week. There has been lots of media attention
for it and so far they have over a thousand Model T's registered to attend.
The coolest thing about this is that they have picked up on the fact that
there were some airplanes that used Ford engines. They have decided to devote
one of the days next week to old airplanes and hopefully some Pietenpols.
There is a beautiful grass strip a couple of miles from the fairgrounds and Tuesday
was chosen to be the day to gather out there. I think the Model T's all
plan to drive to the strip. Now I know it is a really last minute kind of thing,
but they are asking for any Piets to join them. If there is anyone that
will be heading to Brodhead in a Piet and could possibly swing by the airstrip
they would really like it. They want to include all pilots in an opening night
dinner on Monday night. They promise to treat the pilots with top notch treatment!
Andrew King (a Brodhead and Piet fixture, also "Flyboys" pilot) is in
charge of the the airplane gathering and he asked me to post this to try to
get some last minute Piets there. I know it is last minute, but if you are interested
please call me at (330) 429-5265. I really think there will be lots
of media there and I think Greg Herrick even threatened to have his Ford Tri-motor
there, not sure if that panned out though. Anyway here is the website for
the celebration;
http://www.tparty2008.com/
Check out the events page for Tuesday and see the Fly-in info. If you think you
can go please call me!
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193478#193478
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Date: Jul 17, 2008
From: jeremy bramall <outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Best movie flying scenes
I watched one of the related videos after this clip. It was labeled Dancing in
the hands of God. I don't watch much aerobatics and don't know who she is, but
I love her!
Check it out, here is the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7j4-AJV4KU&feature=related
Jeremy in Dallas
Pastor Mike wrote:
Here is a scene from "High Road to China"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16nV7g3rFoU
Tom Selleck is the drunk, Bess is the aerobatic pilot!
Mike in Iowa
Pastor Mike wrote:
>
> The flying and music from "Out of Africa" was beautiful!! It reminded
> me of some of the movie "High Road to China", my favorite flying
> movie..but I have not seen "Out of Africa" yet, so I am going to get it!
> Thanks
> Pastor Mike in Iowa
>
> bike.mike wrote:
>>
>>
>> With all the talk about great flying movies, I wasn't going to challenge
>> anyone.
>> However, two of my favorite scenes are from
>> "Out of Africa"
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TPYwwKAVA8&feature=related
>>
>> and from
>> "Never Cry Wolf"
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD9RCz0C7sA&feature=related
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKJD8x64KXY
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From: "tmbrant1(at)netzero.com" <tmbrant1(at)netzero.net>
Date: Jul 18, 2008
Subject: going to brodhead from MPLS area?
If anyone from MPLS area is driving to Brodhead and has some room for Corvair heads,
I'd like to ask a delivery favor. I've got 6 or 7 heads I want to get to
WW or Mark Petunas down there and if I go, I'll most likely be on a motorcycle.
Any help is appreciated.
Tom B.
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Date: Jul 18, 2008
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Best movie flying scenes
At first glance I thought it was Paddy Wagstaff but after going to youtube
and looking for her stuff,it doesn't look like her plane but she sure flys
her.In my opinion Paddy is the best aerobatics in the world and she could h
ave me if she played her cards right!=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----
=0AFrom: jeremy bramall <outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matr
onics.com=0ASent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:50:32 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pieten
pol-List: Best movie flying scenes=0A=0A=0AI watched one of the related vid
eos after this clip.- It was labeled Dancing in the hands of God.- I do
n't watch much aerobatics and don't know who she is, but I love her!=0A-
=0ACheck it out, here is the link.=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7j4-
AJV4KU&feature=related=0A=0A-=0AJeremy in Dallas=0A-=0A=0APastor Mike
or Mike =0A=0A=0AHere is a scene from "High Road to China" =0A=0Ahttp://www
.youtube.com/watch?v=16nV7g3rFoU=0A=0ATom Selleck is the drunk, Bess is t
he aerobatic pilot!=0AMike in Iowa=0A=0APastor Mike wrote:=0A> --> Pietenpo
l-List message posted by: Pastor Mike =0A>=0A> The flying and music from "O
ut of Africa" was beautiful!! It reminded =0A> me of some of the movie "Hig
h Road to China", my favorite flying =0A> movie..but I have not seen "Out o
f Africa" yet, so I am going to get it!=0A> Thanks=0A> Pastor Mike in Iowa
mike" =0A>> =0A>>=0A>> With all the talk about great flying movies, I wasn'
t going to challenge=0A>> anyone.=0A>> However, two of my favorite scenes a
re from=0A>> "Out of Africa" =0A>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TPYwwK
AVA8&feature=related=0A>>=0A>> and from=0A>> "Never Cry Wolf"=0A>> http:/
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Date: Jul 18, 2008
From: Pastor Mike <miket(at)southslope.net>
Subject: Re: Best movie flying scenes
That gal in the video is an Eastern Europe or Russian gal who I heard
once was a former women's aerobatic champion.
Mike in Iowa
H RULE wrote:
> At first glance I thought it was Paddy Wagstaff but after going to
> youtube and looking for her stuff,it doesn't look like her plane but
> she sure flys her.In my opinion Paddy is the best aerobatics in the
> world and she could have me if she played her cards right!
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: jeremy bramall <outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:50:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best movie flying scenes
>
> I watched one of the related videos after this clip. It was labeled
> Dancing in the hands of God. I don't watch much aerobatics and don't
> know who she is, but I love her!
>
> Check it out, here is the link.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7j4-AJV4KU&feature=related
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7j4-AJV4KU&feature=related>
>
> Jeremy in Dallas
>
>
> */Pastor Mike /* wrote:
>
>
> Here is a scene from "High Road to China"
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16nV7g3rFoU
>
> Tom Selleck is the drunk, Bess is the aerobatic pilot!
> Mike in Iowa
>
> Pastor Mike wrote:
> >
> > The flying and music from "Out of Africa" was beautiful!! It
> reminded
> > me of some of the movie "High Road to China", my favorite flying
> > movie..but I have not seen "Out of Africa" yet, so I am going to
> get it!
> > Thanks
> > Pastor Mike in Iowa
> >
> > bike.mike wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> With all the talk about great flying movies, I wasn't going to
> challenge
> >> anyone.
> >> However, two of my favorite scenes are from
> >> "Out of Africa"
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TPYwwKAVA8&feature=related
> >>
> >> and from
> >> "Never Cry Wolf"
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD9RCz0C7sA&feature=related
> >>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Subject: Re: Best movie flying scenes
From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 18, 2008
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: best movie scenes
Date: Jul 18, 2008
I'm glad someone mensioned High Road to China the other day. Great
flying scenes. Was Tom Selleck in that movie? All I remember was some
beautiful airplanes and Bess Armstrong getting in and out of airplanes.
Bess Armstrong in a real nice party dress. After getting out of the
plane Bess didnt even get her hair messed up and there was some guy
flying the plane with her.
Dick
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2008
From: Pastor Mike <miket(at)southslope.net>
Subject: Re: best movie scenes
Yes Tom Selleck was in it...costar with Bess.
It has some beautiful flying scenes with beautiful music,
Mike in Iowa
Dick Navratil wrote:
> I'm glad someone mensioned High Road to China the other day. Great
> flying scenes. Was Tom Selleck in that movie? All I remember was
> some beautiful airplanes and Bess Armstrong getting in and out of
> airplanes. Bess Armstrong in a real nice party dress. After getting
> out of the plane Bess didnt even get her hair messed up and there was
> some guy flying the plane with her.
> Dick
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
From: gcardinal(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Best movie flying scenes
Date: Jul 18, 2008
She is Svetlana Kapanina. Most of us would get nothing more than a stern "Nyet"
from her.......
Greg Cardinal
-------------- Original message --------------
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
At first glance I thought it was Paddy Wagstaff but after going to youtube and
looking for her stuff,it doesn't look like her plane but she sure flys her.In
my opinion Paddy is the best aerobatics in the world and she could have me if
she played her cards right!
----- Original Message ----
From: jeremy bramall <outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:50:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best movie flying scenes
I watched one of the related videos after this clip. It was labeled Dancing in
the hands of God. I don't watch much aerobatics and don't know who she is, but
I love her!
Check it out, here is the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7j4-AJV4KU&feature=related
Jeremy in Dallas
Pastor Mike wrote:
Here is a scene from "High Road to China"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16nV7g3rFoU
Tom Selleck is the drunk, Bess is the aerobatic pilot!
Mike in Iowa
Pastor Mike wrote:
>
> The flying and music from "Out of Africa" was beautiful!! It reminded
> me of some of the movie "High Road to China", my favorite flying
> movie..but I have not seen "Out of Africa" yet, so I am going to get it!
> Thanks
> Pastor Mike in Iowa
>
> bike.mike wrote:
>>
>>
>> With all the talk about great flying movies, I wasn't going to challenge
>> anyone.
>> However, two of my favorite scenes are from
>> "Out of Africa"
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TPYwwKAVA8&feature=related
>>
>> and from
>> "Never Cry Wolf"
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD9RCz0C7sA&feature=related
>>
She is Svetlana Kapanina. Most of us would get nothing more than a stern "Nyet"
from her.......
Greg Cardinal
At
first glance I thought it was Paddy Wagstaff but after going to youtube
and looking for her stuff,it doesn't look like her plane but she sure flys her.In
my opinion Paddy is the best aerobatics in the world and she could have me
if she played her cards right!
-----
Original Message ----<BR>From: jeremy bramall <outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com><BR>To:
pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008
10:50:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best movie flying scenes
I watched one of the related videos after this clip. It was labeled
Dancing in the hands of God. I don't watch much aerobatics and don't know
who she is, but I love her!
Check it out, here is the link.
Jeremy in Dallas
Pastor Mike <miket(at)southslope.net> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Pastor Mike
Here is a scene from "High Road to China"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16nV7g3rFoU>
Tom Selleck is the drunk, Bess is the aerobatic pilot!
Mike in Iowa
Pastor Mike wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Pastor Mike
>
> The flying and music from "Out of Africa" was beautiful!! It reminded
> me of some of the movie "High Road to China", my favorite flying
> movie..but I have not seen "Out of Africa" yet, so I am going to get it!
> Thanks
> Pastor Mike in Iowa
>
> bike.mike wrote:
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bike.mike"
>>
>>
>> With all the talk about great flying movies, I wasn't going to challenge
>> anyone.
>> However, two of my favorite scenes are
from>> "Out of Africa"
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TPYwwKAVA8&feature=related>>>
>> and from
>> "Never Cry Wolf"
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD9RCz0C7sA&feature=related
>>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Greetings
From: "mr-fix-all" <jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com>
Date: Jul 18, 2008
To All,
I recently found this forum through the web site of one of the members, www.flyingwood.com. I spent the better part of Thursday night perusing his site.
About me, at the tender age of 4 I was introduced to flying by my dad's best friend
and fellow school teacher. One of my earliest memories was of flying from
Waterloo Iowa to Minneapolis, Minnesota and back, in the back seat of a small
cessna. Uncle Hadley as we called him promised to teach me to fly when I turned
13, he told me I would fly before I could drive. Sadly he was killed in
a crop dusting accident before he could teach me.
As I grew up every thing I read or studied had some connection to flying, now that
the kids are graduated and moved out, and back in, and out, and back in, and
out. I have decided to pursue my dream of flight, starting with the construction
of my own plane. After spending the last 5 years studying different aircraft
I decided on a Peitenpol, since I couldn't find anyone with plans for a
full size Curtiss Jenny, or a full size Tigermoth. I have spent the last 4 years
as an Engineering Systems Analyst, before that I spent 7 years with the same
company as a design engineer.
Having spent the last month or so scouring the internet for builders sights, I decided that the first step was to clean up the shop and sell off some of the crap I have accumulated over the years, and use the money to purchases the plans, manuals and so on. I have also began acquiring materials for the rib jig based on several designs I found in the internet. To that end I located the coordinates for the pietenpol wing from http://www.airminded.net/, they had been scaled down so I placed them in Pro Engineer and scaled them up to the 60" length.
My first question is, I found a PDF copy of an article that was in "Flying and
Glider manual" written by B.H. Pietenpol. I compared the dimensions from that
to the dimensions in Pro Engineer (As soon as I figure out how to send the file
I will post it) and there are discrepancies, the Dimensions from the article
don't produce a smooth surface no matter how you plot them.
Second question am I wasting my time trying to produce the rib jig before I purchase
the plans?
Jake Spiegel
Jesup Iowa
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193717#193717
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/drw0003_955.pdf
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Greetings
From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 19, 2008
Welcome Jake
Rather than doing things the hard way its just easier to order the plans and whil
you wait for thm to arrive, set up your shop.
I realize that we all build differently at least that's one way to do it. I myself
wanted the piet ordered and studird the book and plans and after some great
advice from Hans Vandervort I started the build.
Hans pretty much told me the best way to build a Piet is to start building and
it will fall into place
I think that was the best advice I got and certainly got me past the study and
into the build.
Thanks Hans
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "mr-fix-all" <jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:57:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Greetings
To All,
I recently found this forum through the web site of one of the members, www.flyingwood.com. I spent the better part of Thursday night perusing his site.
About me, at the tender age of 4 I was introduced to flying by my dad's best friend
and fellow school teacher. One of my earliest memories was of flying from
Waterloo Iowa to Minneapolis, Minnesota and back, in the back seat of a small
cessna. Uncle Hadley as we called him promised to teach me to fly when I turned
13, he told me I would fly before I could drive. Sadly he was killed in
a crop dusting accident before he could teach me.
As I grew up every thing I read or studied had some connection to flying, now that
the kids are graduated and moved out, and back in, and out, and back in, and
out. I have decided to pursue my dream of flight, starting with the construction
of my own plane. After spending the last 5 years studying different aircraft
I decided on a Peitenpol, since I couldn't find anyone with plans for a
full size Curtiss Jenny, or a full size Tigermoth. I have spent the last 4 years
as an Engineering Systems Analyst, before that I spent 7 years with the same
company as a design engineer.
Having spent the last month or so scouring the internet for builders sights, I decided that the first step was to clean up the shop and sell off some of the crap I have accumulated over the years, and use the money to purchases the plans, manuals and so on. I have also began acquiring materials for the rib jig based on several designs I found in the internet. To that end I located the coordinates for the pietenpol wing from http://www.airminded.net/, they had been scaled down so I placed them in Pro Engineer and scaled them up to the 60" length.
My first question is, I found a PDF copy of an article that was in "Flying and
Glider manual" written by B.H. Pietenpol. I compared the dimensions from that
to the dimensions in Pro Engineer (As soon as I figure out how to send the file
I will post it) and there are discrepancies, the Dimensions from the article
don't produce a smooth surface no matter how you plot them.
Second question am I wasting my time trying to produce the rib jig before I purchase
the plans?
Jake Spiegel
Jesup Iowa
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193717#193717
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/drw0003_955.pdf
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2008
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Subject: Re: Greetings
My advice is that before you build anything, you get the plans and look them
over and get a sense of how the whole thing will go together. Then focus on
one thing. The ribs are where I, and many others, started too. There are
1/8" doublers on the spars where the metal fittings go and some ribs will
need to accomodate these locations with a larger opening than most of the
others. (At least under my interpretation of the plans). There is a little
more to it than just the outside coordinates. I purchased the full-size rib
plan as well (not to use as a template however) to determine the positioning
of truss members. The Flying and Glider only shows the 1 piece wing, but
the plans have a sheet for the 3 piece wing, which you might be interesting
in looking at.
I think I ordered all the different plan options and the flying and glider
manual and it was only around $200.00. I then spent a month or so looking
at each page making sure I had a general approach for each area of
construction. It's also good to figure out what you need in terms of wood
and try and make as few orders as possible since shipping will eat you
alive.
There is a well-known Pietenpol fly-in at Brodhead, WI that's a great place
to meet and talk to guys building and flying Pietenpols happening next next
week officially starting on Friday and ending on Sunday morning.
I'm no expert but had all the same questions you have and encourage you to
get the plans. They will arrive in a week or so and that is insignificant
relative to the duration of the project. EAA sells some great books too.
Tony Bingelis 4 book series is a must if you don't have them. I also found
Advisory Circular 43.13 which you can download from FAA for free helpful
too. I think there is a link to it on my site somewhere. It has guidelines
for grading wood and other standards for building.
Good luck!
Glenn Thomas
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Greetings
Date: Jul 18, 2008
Jake,
Go over to Brodhead, WI next Friday / Saturday for the annual Pietenpol
fly-in. It is an easy drive from Jesup, IA.
Regarding the plans discrepencies you've discovered all we can say is
"Welcome to the world of Pietenpol, where no two plans agree."
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
----- Original Message -----
From: "mr-fix-all" <jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com>
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 7:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Greetings
>
>
> To All,
>
> I recently found this forum through the web site of one of the members,
> www.flyingwood.com. I spent the better part of Thursday night perusing
> his site.
>
> About me, at the tender age of 4 I was introduced to flying by my dad's
> best friend and fellow school teacher. One of my earliest memories was of
> flying from Waterloo Iowa to Minneapolis, Minnesota and back, in the back
> seat of a small cessna. Uncle Hadley as we called him promised to teach
> me to fly when I turned 13, he told me I would fly before I could drive.
> Sadly he was killed in a crop dusting accident before he could teach me.
> As I grew up every thing I read or studied had some connection to flying,
> now that the kids are graduated and moved out, and back in, and out, and
> back in, and out. I have decided to pursue my dream of flight, starting
> with the construction of my own plane. After spending the last 5 years
> studying different aircraft I decided on a Peitenpol, since I couldn't
> find anyone with plans for a full size Curtiss Jenny, or a full size
> Tigermoth. I have spent the last 4 years as an Engineering Systems
> Analyst, before that I spent 7 years with the same company as a design
> engineer.
> Having spent the last month or so scouring the internet for builders
> sights, I decided that the first step was to clean up the shop and sell
> off some of the crap I have accumulated over the years, and use the money
> to purchases the plans, manuals and so on. I have also began acquiring
> materials for the rib jig based on several designs I found in the
> internet. To that end I located the coordinates for the pietenpol wing
> from http://www.airminded.net/, they had been scaled down so I placed them
> in Pro Engineer and scaled them up to the 60" length.
>
> My first question is, I found a PDF copy of an article that was in "Flying
> and Glider manual" written by B.H. Pietenpol. I compared the dimensions
> from that to the dimensions in Pro Engineer (As soon as I figure out how
> to send the file I will post it) and there are discrepancies, the
> Dimensions from the article don't produce a smooth surface no matter how
> you plot them.
>
> Second question am I wasting my time trying to produce the rib jig before
> I purchase the plans?
>
>
> Jake Spiegel
> Jesup Iowa
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193717#193717
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/drw0003_955.pdf
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Graham & Robin Hewitt" <grhewitt(at)globaldial.com>
Subject: Re props for 0200
Date: Jul 19, 2008
Has any one info on the best prop (Pitch Diam) for an 0200 engine on a
long fuse Piet
Second wing nearly finished,
Regards Graham Hewitt
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Greetings
From: outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
Date: Jul 19, 2008
Jake, you can search the archives of this forum and find debates on different
airfoils. I have a two piece wing built to plans. If I were to do it over again,
I would build a three piece wing using the Grega GN-1 airfoil. Depending
on your taste for origionality and your plans for the plane, you should research
it.
Definetly buy the plans and builder's manual before you start.
Jeremy in Dallas
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
-----Original Message-----
From: "mr-fix-all" <jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:57:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Greetings
To All,
I recently found this forum through the web site of one of the members, www.flyingwood.com. I spent the better part of Thursday night perusing his site.
About me, at the tender age of 4 I was introduced to flying by my dad's best friend
and fellow school teacher. One of my earliest memories was of flying from
Waterloo Iowa to Minneapolis, Minnesota and back, in the back seat of a small
cessna. Uncle Hadley as we called him promised to teach me to fly when I turned
13, he told me I would fly before I could drive. Sadly he was killed in
a crop dusting accident before he could teach me.
As I grew up every thing I read or studied had some connection to flying, now that
the kids are graduated and moved out, and back in, and out, and back in, and
out. I have decided to pursue my dream of flight, starting with the construction
of my own plane. After spending the last 5 years studying different aircraft
I decided on a Peitenpol, since I couldn't find anyone with plans for a
full size Curtiss Jenny, or a full size Tigermoth. I have spent the last 4 years
as an Engineering Systems Analyst, before that I spent 7 years with the same
company as a design engineer.
Having spent the last month or so scouring the internet for builders sights, I decided that the first step was to clean up the shop and sell off some of the crap I have accumulated over the years, and use the money to purchases the plans, manuals and so on. I have also began acquiring materials for the rib jig based on several designs I found in the internet. To that end I located the coordinates for the pietenpol wing from http://www.airminded.net/, they had been scaled down so I placed them in Pro Engineer and scaled them up to the 60" length.
My first question is, I found a PDF copy of an article that was in "Flying and
Glider manual" written by B.H. Pietenpol. I compared the dimensions from that
to the dimensions in Pro Engineer (As soon as I figure out how to send the file
I will post it) and there are discrepancies, the Dimensions from the article
don't produce a smooth surface no matter how you plot them.
Second question am I wasting my time trying to produce the rib jig before I purchase
the plans?
Jake Spiegel
Jesup Iowa
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193717#193717
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/drw0003_955.pdf
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ed G." <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re props for 0200
Date: Jul 19, 2008
Hi Graham
In early 2000, before I strated building and before I learned about the
Pietenpol family's plans I sent for an info packet on the Piet from Chad
Wiley. He and his dad have built Piets since the early 1940's if I remember
right. Chad carves and sells props, or at least he used to. He owns a long
fuse Piet with a 0200. In the info. packet he stated that he uses a 76/34
for a climb prop and a 72/42 for a cruise prop. He stated that he gets a 76
mph cruise at gross wt. with the climb prop and 80 mph with the criuse prop.
Hope that is of some help. Ed G.
>From: "Graham & Robin Hewitt" <grhewitt(at)globaldial.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re props for 0200
>Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:41:21 +0900
>
>Has any one info on the best prop (Pitch Diam) for an 0200 engine on a
>long fuse Piet
>
>Second wing nearly finished,
>
>Regards Graham Hewitt
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2008
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Greetings
Jake,
There is either a dip or bump of 1/8 of an inch on one of the "Y" axis coordinates
on the upper surfaceo of the original rib plans.
Purists use B. Pietenpol's distinctive original FC-10 airfoil. Several builders
have been using either of a pair of Riblett airfoils [google "Riblett"] or NACA
airfoils, often the 2412. The Grega airfoil is sort of a hybrid Clark Y-Pietenpol
airfoil, and likely performs a little better than BP's, but not as well
as the NACA or Riblett. Roman Bukolt will sell you a full scale Riblett drawing.
You are getting great advice about coming to Brodhead, WI,in a week. There will
be several Piets and their helpful builders there. Hope to see you there. Wear
a nametag and introduce yourself. You'll get lots of good help.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
>Sent: Jul 19, 2008 8:57 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Greetings
>
>
>Jake, you can search the archives of this forum and find debates on different
airfoils. I have a two piece wing built to plans. If I were to do it over again,
I would build a three piece wing using the Grega GN-1 airfoil. Depending
on your taste for origionality and your plans for the plane, you should research
it.
>
>Definetly buy the plans and builder's manual before you start.
>
>Jeremy in Dallas
>
>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "mr-fix-all" <jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com>
>
>Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:57:00
>To:
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Greetings
>
>
>To All,
>
>I recently found this forum through the web site of one of the members, www.flyingwood.com. I spent the better part of Thursday night perusing his site.
>
>About me, at the tender age of 4 I was introduced to flying by my dad's best
friend and fellow school teacher. One of my earliest memories was of flying from
Waterloo Iowa to Minneapolis, Minnesota and back, in the back seat of a small
cessna. Uncle Hadley as we called him promised to teach me to fly when I
turned 13, he told me I would fly before I could drive. Sadly he was killed
in a crop dusting accident before he could teach me.
>As I grew up every thing I read or studied had some connection to flying, now
that the kids are graduated and moved out, and back in, and out, and back in,
and out. I have decided to pursue my dream of flight, starting with the construction
of my own plane. After spending the last 5 years studying different aircraft
I decided on a Peitenpol, since I couldn't find anyone with plans for a
full size Curtiss Jenny, or a full size Tigermoth. I have spent the last 4 years
as an Engineering Systems Analyst, before that I spent 7 years with the same
company as a design engineer.
>Having spent the last month or so scouring the internet for builders sights, I decided that the first step was to clean up the shop and sell off some of the crap I have accumulated over the years, and use the money to purchases the plans, manuals and so on. I have also began acquiring materials for the rib jig based on several designs I found in the internet. To that end I located the coordinates for the pietenpol wing from http://www.airminded.net/, they had been scaled down so I placed them in Pro Engineer and scaled them up to the 60" length.
>
>My first question is, I found a PDF copy of an article that was in "Flying and
Glider manual" written by B.H. Pietenpol. I compared the dimensions from that
to the dimensions in Pro Engineer (As soon as I figure out how to send the file
I will post it) and there are discrepancies, the Dimensions from the article
don't produce a smooth surface no matter how you plot them.
>
>Second question am I wasting my time trying to produce the rib jig before I purchase
the plans?
>
>
>Jake Spiegel
>Jesup Iowa
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193717#193717
>
>
>Attachments:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/drw0003_955.pdf
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2008
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Piets flying to Brodhead-- who else?
Who is flying a Piet to Brodhead?
I know of Dick Navratil, Bill Rewey, Roman Bukolt, Lowell Frank, and Greg Cardinal/Dale
Johnson.
Who else?
BTW, I'll be there, but in a Suburban.
Tim in central TX
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From: "Lynn Knoll" <dknoll(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Piets flying to Brodhead-- who else?
Date: Jul 19, 2008
Ken Perkins told me today he will have his Piet there.
Lynn Knoll
Wichita
Piet/Vair in the works
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Willis" <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 3:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets flying to Brodhead-- who else?
>
>
> Who is flying a Piet to Brodhead?
>
> I know of Dick Navratil, Bill Rewey, Roman Bukolt, Lowell Frank, and Greg
> Cardinal/Dale Johnson.
>
> Who else?
>
> BTW, I'll be there, but in a Suburban.
>
> Tim in central TX
>
>
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> 6:35 PM
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: Piets flying to Brodhead-- who else?
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 19, 2008
I was planning to fly mine up but since I started a new job a couple of months
ago I can't get the time off that would be needed. I was pretty bummed out about
it because with my old job I had the time off and was really looking forward
to making the trip again. I decided I would just try to drive up for the weekend
though. Driving is definitely more reliable. Then Andrew King called
Thursday night and told me about some of his misfortunes this week with the flying
machine that he was hoping to take to Brodhead and Oshkosh. Then we got
to thinking, why doesn't he just take my ship up there. So he picked it up this
morning and headed out. He is taking it on the Model T Centennial/Hayfield/Barnstorming
tour all next week. So I guess my Piet will be there but I'm cheating
and not flying it there!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Date: Jul 19, 2008
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Brodhead trip
Hello Guys, just wondering if anyone could give a ride on thursday from Bro
dhead to .....Monroe I think it is, to pick up a rental car, in exchange fo
r gas money or a piet ride.- Dad and I might get to both fly and not have
to drive the truck up.- A group of guys from our field are planning on t
aking our piet, a Chief, a Champ, and a Stinnson up to Brodhead.- Dad or
I will go in the chief as PIC with a student pilot who owns the Chief, and
pack the Stinson with all the cargo.- We will-need the rental car to ge
t to the hotel dad reserved.- (He's getting old for camping).- Looks li
ke the weather is going to be good for the trip up there.- And by the way
I decided to save the money it would cost to go to Oshkosh, and will proba
bly pass on going to airventure.- Eating $15 hotdogs and $6 sodas for 3 d
ays, $25 per day addmission, and $25 per night camping adds up real fast, d
oubling the cost of my trip.-
-
Hope to see you all by the end of the week
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: Re: Brodhead trip
From: "mr-fix-all" <jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2008
Hey All,
I convinced my Wife and Brother-in-Law that riding the Harley's to brodhead would
make a great Saturday ride since is't only 3 hours. My question is I found
Brodhead, but were is the flyin going to be, I assume it's not in downtown Brodhead.
Is there admission, food for sale?
Also how much does Roman Bukolt charge for a full size wing plan?
Looking forward to seeing you
Jake
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From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net>
Subject: Re: Brodhead trip
Date: Jul 20, 2008
The airport is abut a mile south of town. Just look up and see the
planes flying and landing.
The Riblett plane is $10.00 including postage.
Roman Bukolt
6505 Urich Terrace,
Madison, Wi. 53719
On Jul 20, 2008, at 2:35 PM, mr-fix-all wrote:
> >
>
> Hey All,
>
> I convinced my Wife and Brother-in-Law that riding the Harley's to
> brodhead would make a great Saturday ride since is't only 3 hours.
> My question is I found Brodhead, but were is the flyin going to be,
> I assume it's not in downtown Brodhead. Is there admission, food
> for sale?
>
> Also how much does Roman Bukolt charge for a full size wing plan?
>
> Looking forward to seeing you
>
> Jake
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193966#193966
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brodhead trip
From: "mr-fix-all" <jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2008
Roman,
Thanks for the info.
Any chance you will have one with you at the fly in?.
Jake
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Subject: Re: Brodhead trip
From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2008
Sounds like we ll see ya there
John
------Original Message------
From: mr-fix-all
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Jul 20, 2008 3:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead trip
Hey All,
I convinced my Wife and Brother-in-Law that riding the Harley's to brodhead would
make a great Saturday ride since is't only 3 hours. My question is I found
Brodhead, but were is the flyin going to be, I assume it's not in downtown Brodhead.
Is there admission, food for sale?
Also how much does Roman Bukolt charge for a full size wing plan?
Looking forward to seeing you
Jake
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193966#193966
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net>
Subject: Re: Brodhead trip
Date: Jul 20, 2008
I can!
On Jul 20, 2008, at 4:10 PM, mr-fix-all wrote:
> >
>
> Roman,
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Any chance you will have one with you at the fly in?.
>
> Jake
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193981#193981
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb(at)charter.net>
Subject: FAA Approval
Date: Jul 20, 2008
Last week I got the FAA DAR to sign off on an air worthiness
certificate for NX221PT. With help from a number of you I got the 25
hour vs. 40 hour testing period. Thanks!!
First flight shortly after a bit of taildragger training.---Jim Lagowski
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2008
From: Jim <jimboyer(at)hughes.net>
Subject: Re: Brodhead trip
Hi Roman, If you can bring a set of the Riblett airfoil info to Brodhead with you.
I definitely want it and will pay you for it there. My wife and I will be
Thursday through Saturday. Thanks, Jim Boyer, Pietenpol builder
On Jul 20, 2008, conceptmodels(at)tds.net wrote:
I can!
On Jul 20, 2008, at 4:10 PM, mr-fix-all wrote:
> >
>
> Roman,
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Any chance you will have one with you at the fly in?.
>
> Jake
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193981#193981
>
>
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Subject: Re: best movie scenes
From: "Paul N. Peckham" <peckham9(at)countryspeed.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2008
High Road to China was one of the best aviation films I ever saw. Its too bad it
never came out in DVD. If anyone is interested, I'll bring my VHS copy to Brodhead,
if someone has the means of showing it. One of the great lines in the
movie is when they meet the Khan for the first time and he says "You will be
my honored guests for dinner", to which the airplane mechanic "Struts" says "Does
that mean he's going to eat us or feed us?"
Paul N. Peckham
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From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Brodhead trip
Date: Jul 20, 2008
Jake
The airport is just west of town then south a bit, as the Harley runs. No
admission but they sell buttons for $5 to help with costs. Fri and Sat night
there is a dinner, be sure to buy tickets early, they run out. There is a
lunch window during the day and a breakfast on Sat am. There is also a
McDonalds and Subway close by.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "mr-fix-all" <jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 2:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead trip
>
>
> Hey All,
>
> I convinced my Wife and Brother-in-Law that riding the Harley's to
> brodhead would make a great Saturday ride since is't only 3 hours. My
> question is I found Brodhead, but were is the flyin going to be, I assume
> it's not in downtown Brodhead. Is there admission, food for sale?
>
> Also how much does Roman Bukolt charge for a full size wing plan?
>
> Looking forward to seeing you
>
> Jake
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193966#193966
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Piets flying to Brodhead-- who else?
Date: Jul 21, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
Weather permitting, I'll have my Piet there. I plan to leave Wednesday
morning from Raleiugh, NC and should be in Brodhead by Thursday evening.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Willis
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets flying to Brodhead-- who else?
Who is flying a Piet to Brodhead?
I know of Dick Navratil, Bill Rewey, Roman Bukolt, Lowell Frank, and
Greg Cardinal/Dale Johnson.
Who else?
BTW, I'll be there, but in a Suburban.
Tim in central TX
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2008
From: Dick Carden <flywrite(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: 25-hour approval
I think I must have been asleep when the techniques for getting 25-hour rather
than 40-hour approval. Would someone kindly direct me? I'm planning to use a Corvair
with a wooden prop; is there any way that can be accepted for 25 hours?
Dick Carden
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 25-hour approval
Date: Jul 21, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
NO. To get the 25 hour approavl you have to use a Certifated aircraft
engine and a certificated propeller.
With either a Corvair or a handbuilt prop you are required to have a 40
hour flyoff. With both a Corvair and a handmade prop it will be 80
Hours (just kidding - wanted to see if you were paying attention. With
your combination a 40 hour flyoff will be required).
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick
Carden
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 25-hour approval
I think I must have been asleep when the techniques for getting 25-hour
rather than 40-hour approval. Would someone kindly direct me? I'm
planning to use a Corvair with a wooden prop; is there any way that can
be accepted for 25 hours? Dick Carden
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Brodhead trip
Date: Jul 21, 2008
I managed to get the weekend off of work, so I will be flying into
Chicago Friday am and driving to Brodhead. Driving back to Chicago
sun/mon depending on whether I decide to go to Oshkosh for a day. Does
this fit with anyone else's plans? Anyone want a ride??
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kirk Huizenga <kirkh1(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Brodhead trip
Date: Jul 21, 2008
Google Earth Brodhead, WI and you will see the X just south of town
between 11 and Brodhead Airport Rd. The "main entrance" is on the East
side of the airport off of Airport Rd.
Kirk
On Jul 20, 2008, at 2:35 PM, mr-fix-all wrote:
> >
>
> Hey All,
>
> I convinced my Wife and Brother-in-Law that riding the Harley's to
> brodhead would make a great Saturday ride since is't only 3 hours.
> My question is I found Brodhead, but were is the flyin going to be,
> I assume it's not in downtown Brodhead. Is there admission, food
> for sale?
>
> Also how much does Roman Bukolt charge for a full size wing plan?
>
> Looking forward to seeing you
>
> Jake
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193966#193966
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Test
Test Post. Actual questions to follow.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: New guy signs up
Hello fellow Air Camper builders! I have decided to commit to building and flying
the Air Camper. With the help of a friend and co worker whom has built and
flies his very own, I have decided to take on this endevor.
I have the Pietenpol plans on their way as well as the 3 piece wing and Corvair/long
fuse. plans. I am in contact with Aircraft Spruce for a wood quote and
have been researching this list for Q&A.
Curious: are there any other Sitka supliers with pre-cut capstrip othet then
A.S. and Wicks? For those of you whom have purchased the pre-cut capstrip, (1/4"
X 1/2") how acurate was the size of the wood and the quality of the surfaces?
(were they REALY 1/4" X 1/2" and smooth)
TONS more questions to follow over the years...please be forgiving.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New guy signs up
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Date: Jul 21, 2008
I ordered from Aircraft Spruce. The dimensions were right on the money. It was
the quality of the wood that was questionable. Lots of grain deviation and
turbulence, chips from their machinery as well as pieces that broke during bending
after steaming. I disputed with them and they replaced 40% of the capstrip
order. I've ordered from them since but not much difference in quality. I
am buying rough-cut from now on and sawing/planing to dimensions myself. There
are lots of places that have rough cut boards. If you become familiar with
the grading of the wood you can determine for yourself if it's going to be airworthy,
since you can't really trust Aircraft Spruce to do it for you anyway.
To them it's just inventory they want to move. I think it means a little more
to you and me.
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
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Subject: Welcome New guy signs up
Date: Jul 21, 2008
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Guys,
Mike Perez starting working in my building a few months ago helping out
with everything from precision machining to operating erosion jet fueled
test rigs for engine erosion resistant coatings for the Army helicopter
engines. He brought his family to our local EAA YE event a few
Saturdays
ago and that was the first time his two boys flew in an airplane and 1st
time he'd ever seen a Pietenpol. (I had mine out for display) Guess
the Piet fits his bill and his woodworking hobby pretty well.
I told Mike that you guys are a pretty good bunch and he's already
searched
the archives and is actively setting up to build a set of wing ribs.
Help me with dusting off my faded memory as he posts questions.
I did mention McCormack Lumber in Wisconsin as several of you guys have
had good things to say about thier a/c grade spruce and plywood so that
might be an alternative for some parts of his build-up.
Mike C. in Ohio
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: New guy signs up
Date: Jul 21, 2008
Though I have not dealt with them I hear tell that these fellows know
what they are doing and sell a good product.
I seem to recall someone mentioning they have the Piet plans on file and
can quote you a price for the Sitka required but if not I am sure they
can provide you with prices if you provide them with a list of your
needs
http://www.westernaircraftspruce.com/kits.php
Michael in Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
Curious: are there any other Sitka supliers with pre-cut capstrip
othet then A.S. and Wicks? For those of you whom have purchased the
pre-cut capstrip, (1/4" X 1/2") how acurate was the size of the wood and
the quality of the surfaces? (were they REALY 1/4" X 1/2" and smooth)
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New guy signs up
Date: Jul 21, 2008
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Welcome Mike,
I had very nice cap-strips from Wicks, good dimensions and quality. To
cut your own, I heard that McCormack's got a new load of spruce last
year.
Jack
www.textors.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: New guy signs up
Thanks Glenn. I believe I have read about your wood troubles on-line. I have looked
into buy bulk and cutting down myself. If my math was right, it seemed cheaper
to buy the cap strip already made...but if the quality is not there, then
where is the savings. I'll investigate further.
I ordered from Aircraft Spruce. The dimensions were right on the money. It was
the quality of the wood that was questionable. Lots of grain deviation and turbulence,
chips from their machinery as well as pieces that broke during bending
after steaming. I disputed with them and they replaced 40% of the capstrip order.
I've ordered from them since but not much difference in quality. I am buying
rough-cut from now on and sawing/planing to dimensions myself. There are
lots of places that have rough cut boards. If you become familiar with the grading
of the wood you can determine for yourself if it's going to be airworthy,
since you can't really trust Aircraft Spruce to do it for you anyway. To them
it's just inventory they want to move. I think it means a little more to you
and me.
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194155#194155
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Welcome New guy signs up
Copy that Mike! I did get the McCormick intel. I had looked into a place called
Public Lumber as well. They have multiple sizes of sitka, but only 2 are lables
"aircraft spar/grade"...or something like that. I wonder if that means the
other sizes are not of the same quality? The smallest "AC grade" size they had
was 2 X 4". If I were to rip my own, I would like to start with a smaller size
board. Any ideas?
Guys,
Mike Perez starting working in my building a few months ago helping out
with everything from precision machining to operating erosion jet fueled
test rigs for engine erosion resistant coatings for the Army helicopter
engines. He brought his family to our local EAA YE event a few
Saturdays
ago and that was the first time his two boys flew in an airplane and 1st
time he'd ever seen a Pietenpol. (I had mine out for display) Guess
the Piet fits his bill and his woodworking hobby pretty well.
I told Mike that you guys are a pretty good bunch and he's already
searched
the archives and is actively setting up to build a set of wing ribs.
Help me with dusting off my faded memory as he posts questions.
I did mention McCormack Lumber in Wisconsin as several of you guys have
had good things to say about thier a/c grade spruce and plywood so that
might be an alternative for some parts of his build-up.
Mike C. in Ohio
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: New guy signs up
Thanks Jack. I believe I will re-vist buying bulk and cutting my own as well as
Wicks.
As for Aircraft Spruce, just got off the phone with them. $153.xx plus $20.00
for shipping for 80 1/2" X14" X 6 feet capstrip. About 1 week lead time. But
if the quality is in question...
"Jack T. Textor" wrote:
Welcome Mike,
I had very nice cap-strips from Wicks, good dimensions and quality. To cut your
own, I heard that McCormacks got a new load of spruce last year.
Jack
www.textors.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New guy signs up
Date: Jul 21, 2008
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Mike,
I've cut and planed all my wood except the cap-strips. At today's
pricing I would still buy the cap-strips already cut. It will save you
a ton of time and blades.
Jack
www.textors.com <http://www.textors.com/>
Hope to get to Brodhead by 7:00 Thursday evening.
Jack Textor
Vice President
3737 Woodland Avenue
Suite #300
West Des Moines, IA 50266
515-225-7000
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New guy signs up
Thanks Jack. I believe I will re-vist buying bulk and cutting my own as
well as Wicks.
As for Aircraft Spruce, just got off the phone with them. $153.xx plus
$20.00 for shipping for 80 1/2" X14" X 6 feet capstrip. About 1 week
lead time. But if the quality is in question...
"Jack T. Textor" wrote:
Welcome Mike,
I had very nice cap-strips from Wicks, good dimensions and
quality. To cut your own, I heard that McCormack's got a new load of
spruce last year.
Jack
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net>
Subject: Re: New guy signs up
Date: Jul 21, 2008
I purchased (7) 1 x6 x 20ft. rough cut planks of Sitka spruce from
McCormick Lumber in Madison, Wi. Their quality is good. I chose the
four best ones and had them planed to 3/4" right at the lumber yard,
with Bill Rewey's help. Those will be my wing spars.
I would roughly guess that, the quantity that I bought should be
enough to finish the plane. McCormick Lumber is only 40 mi. north of
Brodhead. Drive up, enjoy the fly-in then go to Madison prior to
returning home. The planks you choose for Spars can be cut just over
14 ft. (before planing) The cut-offs would be just under 6 ft.,
perfect for slicing up for wing rib stick stock.. Cut one other plank
just long enough to get your longerons from. The remaining two planks
can be cut to some convenient length so you wouldn't have to be
hauling any 20 ft. planks home.
Roman Bukolt, Madison, Wi. NX20795
On Jul 21, 2008, at 1:18 PM, Michael Perez wrote:
> Thanks Glenn. I believe I have read about your wood troubles on-
> line. I have looked into buy bulk and cutting down myself. If my
> math was right, it seemed cheaper to buy the cap strip already
> made...but if the quality is not there, then where is the savings.
> I'll investigate further.
>
> Glenn Thomas wrote:
>
> I ordered from Aircraft Spruce. The dimensions were right on the
> money. It was the quality of the wood that was questionable. Lots of
> grain deviation and turbulence, chips from their machinery as well
> as pieces that broke during bending after steaming. I disputed with
> them and they replaced 40% of the capstrip order. I've ordered from
> them since but not much difference in quality. I am buying rough-cut
> from now on and
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2008
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: New guy signs up
Welcome to the clan Mike, I got the Pietenpol spruce kit and capstrip from
ACS and the quality was excellent (back when the kit was only $800). Have
also ordered additional spruce from Wicks with equally good results.
By the way Broadhead is this weekend, there is no better way to start off
the Pietenpol phase of your life than to spend at least all day Saturday
there. You may even get a ride in one. You will also want to order the Mike
Cuy DVD, can find info on it in this forum.
Rick
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Michael Perez
wrote:
> Thanks Jack. I believe I will re-vist buying bulk and cutting my own as
> well as Wicks.
>
> As for Aircraft Spruce, just got off the phone with them. $153.xx plus
> $20.00 for shipping for 80 1/2" X14" X 6 feet capstrip. About 1 week lead
> time. But if the quality is in question...
>
> *"Jack T. Textor" * wrote:
>
> Welcome Mike,
> I had very nice cap-strips from Wicks, good dimensions and quality. To cut
> your own, I heard that McCormack's got a new load of spruce last year.
> Jack
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Welcome New guy signs up
Date: Jul 21, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
Well, I was going to offer him some advice, but if he's a friend of
yours, he has such questionable taste that advice would do him no good.
Just kidding Mike Perez, Welcome to the slightly weird world of
Pietenpols
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welcome New guy signs up
Guys,
Mike Perez starting working in my building a few months ago helping out
with everything from precision machining to operating erosion jet fueled
test rigs for engine erosion resistant coatings for the Army helicopter
engines. He brought his family to our local EAA YE event a few
Saturdays
ago and that was the first time his two boys flew in an airplane and 1st
time he'd ever seen a Pietenpol. (I had mine out for display) Guess
the Piet fits his bill and his woodworking hobby pretty well.
I told Mike that you guys are a pretty good bunch and he's already
searched
the archives and is actively setting up to build a set of wing ribs.
Help me with dusting off my faded memory as he posts questions.
I did mention McCormack Lumber in Wisconsin as several of you guys have
had good things to say about thier a/c grade spruce and plywood so that
might be an alternative for some parts of his build-up.
Mike C. in Ohio
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Welcome New guy signs up
Thanks Jack! I'll keep a close eye on Cuy. Maybe I missed judged him. (wink wink
to Cuy)
Well, I was going to offer him some advice, but if he's a friend of
yours, he has such questionable taste that advice would do him no good.
Just kidding Mike Perez, Welcome to the slightly weird world of
Pietenpols
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welcome New guy signs up
Guys,
Mike Perez starting working in my building a few months ago helping out
with everything from precision machining to operating erosion jet fueled
test rigs for engine erosion resistant coatings for the Army helicopter
engines. He brought his family to our local EAA YE event a few
Saturdays
ago and that was the first time his two boys flew in an airplane and 1st
time he'd ever seen a Pietenpol. (I had mine out for display) Guess
the Piet fits his bill and his woodworking hobby pretty well.
I told Mike that you guys are a pretty good bunch and he's already
searched
the archives and is actively setting up to build a set of wing ribs.
Help me with dusting off my faded memory as he posts questions.
I did mention McCormack Lumber in Wisconsin as several of you guys have
had good things to say about thier a/c grade spruce and plywood so that
might be an alternative for some parts of his build-up.
Mike C. in Ohio
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New guy signs up
From: "mr-fix-all" <jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com>
Date: Jul 21, 2008
Greetings All,
On the subject of material, I found a local supplier that has vertical grained
Douglas fir, 10-15 rings per inch, 1 inch in 40 grain run out, in the following
sizes 4/4 1x6 5.68 per bf, 5/4 1x6 6.22 per bf, and 6/4 1x6 6.32 per bf.
Based on my estimates it takes about 3/16 of a board foot to make a rib, so with
40 ribs, account for wall hangers, that means about 7 Bf of Douglas fir to make
the ribs, at 5.68 per Bf that would be bout $40 for rib wood. or have I been
sniffing fumes too long?
Thanks
Jake
--------
"Be who you are and say what you think, those that mind don't matter, and
those that matter don't mind" Dr. Seuss
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194188#194188
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: New guy signs up
Date: Jul 21, 2008
Hi Mike,
Welcome to the gang. Just about everybody on this list seem to be nice
people (except me - I'm an ornery son of a gun).
For my wood, I bought a couple of 2" x 6" rough Sitka planks from a local
wood supplier, and have planed and sawn it all myself. I don't think you
actually need to plane it, but I had access to a thickness planer, so I did
it. Those planks have yielded all my capstrips and almost all of the sticks
for my empennage, which I just finished building. My next step is the
fuselage, so I'll be buying some more soon.
I started with a brand new thin-kerf ripping blade for my 35-year old table
saw, and the blade is still going strong. I also made use of a decent
feather-board when ripping stock - helps maintain sizes, and prevents
kickback.
Bill C.
_____
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack T.
Textor
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:51 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New guy signs up
Mike,
I've cut and planed all my wood except the cap-strips. At today's pricing I
would still buy the cap-strips already cut. It will save you a ton of time
and blades.
Jack
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Hope to get to Brodhead by 7:00 Thursday evening.
Jack Textor
Vice President
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Suite #300
West Des Moines, IA 50266
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Subject: Re: best movie scenes
From: "mr-fix-all" <jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com>
Date: Jul 21, 2008
If any one has the chance find a copy of "Those magnificent men and their flying
machines". It's a 1965 movie about an international air race set in the 1900's
pretty good comedy but great old plane footage.
Jake
--------
"Be who you are and say what you think, those that mind don't matter, and
those that matter don't mind" Dr. Seuss
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Subject: Frued table saw blades
Date: Jul 21, 2008
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Speaking of saw blades, I took the advice of my then Branch Chief and
woodworker Carl Stearns back when I started my
project and dropped a 100 bucks on a top-notch carbide tipped table saw
blade by Freud. (sp ?) I made hundreds and hundreds
of cuts (I wouldn't doubt thousands counting all my mistakes) and the
cuts produced butter-smooth finishes on my wood until
the day my plane flew. A fantastic investment. When I gave the old
saw away I kept the blade.....now if I could find it some day !
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: Re: New guy signs up
Date: Jul 21, 2008
Jake,
One thing to remember when calculating board feet of wood required is to
take into account the thickness of the saw blade. I know, it's only about
1/8 of an inch, but when you are talking about strips 1/4" x 1/2", it makes
a difference.
As I recall, you'll need roughly one hundred six-foot lengths of capstrip to
make thirty ribs (not sure why you would want ten wall hangers). If you add
one sawblade thickness to the width and height of a capstrip, your effective
size of the capstrip becomes 3/8" x 5/8". This means that you would need
about 10 bf , but I would add 20% for scrap and undetectable defects. But
even at that, you're only running about $80 for your rib wood (plus about
$50 for a 4' x 4' sheet of 1/16" ply for gussets).
Bill C.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of mr-fix-all
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 3:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New guy signs up
-->
Greetings All,
On the subject of material, I found a local supplier that has vertical
grained Douglas fir, 10-15 rings per inch, 1 inch in 40 grain run out, in
the following sizes 4/4 1x6 5.68 per bf, 5/4 1x6 6.22 per bf, and 6/4 1x6
6.32 per bf.
Based on my estimates it takes about 3/16 of a board foot to make a rib, so
with 40 ribs, account for wall hangers, that means about 7 Bf of Douglas fir
to make the ribs, at 5.68 per Bf that would be bout $40 for rib wood. or
have I been sniffing fumes too long?
Thanks
Jake
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: 25-hour approval
Date: Jul 21, 2008
Dick,based on my recent experience you will likely get 40 hours. The reason
is the engine and propeller are not a certficated combination. See FAA
Advisory Circular 20-27F, page 13.--Jim Lagowski
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Carden" <flywrite(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 25-hour approval
>
> I think I must have been asleep when the techniques for getting 25-hour
> rather than 40-hour approval. Would someone kindly direct me? I'm planning
> to use a Corvair with a wooden prop; is there any way that can be accepted
> for 25 hours? Dick Carden
>
>
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> 6:42 AM
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 21, 2008
Subject: Taildragger rides to Piet Builders
I made this announcement a few months ago, and I want to extend this
invitation for: informal taildragger "instruction" (not a CFI) for any Piet builder
(or serious would be builder) that is up at Brodhead Friday or Saturday. This
ride would be given in my Aeronca Sedan (4-place with control wheels, red,
N1152H) at no charge. This is my gift to get people energized and motivated.
After you get up there, call me on my cell (or text) 815-298-5680 for
scheduling. I should be up there before 10AM on Friday. The weather is supposed
to
be perfect.
See you there!!!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Taildragger rides to Piet Builders
From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 21, 2008
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe(at)calply.com>
Subject: New guy signs up
Date: Jul 21, 2008
Mike,
Looks like you have received lots of advice (I did not say 'good').
Obviously Mike C lied to you about this group, as vendors are prone to do..
;<)
I was very lucky to find a local hard wood supplier (who also knows A/C
grade) who allowed me to root through all his stacks of wood. My Piet is
almost all Poplar! I bought mostly full 1" pieces (usually 1 1/16") and have
cut everything to size. My spars are not yet purchased, but they will be
Fir. So far I have spent less than $300 and that includes all the Hickory
for my landing gear struts, cabanes and wing struts! You could buy a good
table saw, mill your own wood, and have less into it than buying A/C Spruce
from a supplier! The fuselage and tail are all framed and I still have
enough wood to build all the ribs.
Also, as Mike C said (he doesn't lie about everything), I bought a carbide
tipped saw blade 5 years ago (about $100) and have cut a prolific amount of
wood for all sorts of home projects. The blade has never been sharpened!!
Come to think of it.everything I know about Piets came from this
group..guess I was wrong about Cuy..someday I'll buy him a beer and tell him
how much I like the video..
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage
(10 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 9:49 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New guy signs up
Hello fellow Air Camper builders! I have decided to commit to building and
flying the Air Camper. With the help of a friend and co worker whom has
built and flies his very own, I have decided to take on this endevor.
I have the Pietenpol plans on their way as well as the 3 piece wing and
Corvair/long fuse. plans. I am in contact with Aircraft Spruce for a wood
quote and have been researching this list for Q&A.
Curious: are there any other Sitka supliers with pre-cut capstrip othet then
A.S. and Wicks? For those of you whom have purchased the pre-cut capstrip,
(1/4" X 1/2") how acurate was the size of the wood and the quality of the
surfaces? (were they REALY 1/4" X 1/2" and smooth)
TONS more questions to follow over the years...please be forgiving.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2008
From: "Milt Atkinson" <miltatkinson(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Plans have changed
Well, I started out like a house on fire gathering parts, plans, etc. and
like everything else in life, things happen . I am now going to have to
abandon the Corvair powered Pietenpol project and am willing to part with
the things I have accumulated.
I have:
1) The GM Green Manual
2) The "How to keep your Corvair Alive" book
3) 8409 crank turned .010 under, polished and tapped for the WW safety
shaft
4) The WW safety shaft
5) Folded fin oil cooler
6) 3 engine cases
7) Cylinder jugs in very good shape . could be reconditioned or used
for cores
8) 2 sets of cast iron exhaust logs
9) 2 sets of rods that were going to be used for exchange with Clarks
10) New C8800 cam with stock gear and washer installed
11) Set of new Clevite 77 .010 main bearing
12) Set of recommended heads . no work done on the heads
13) Harmonic balancer that was going to be used for a Clarks core
14) Front plate cut from a automatic trans bell housing
15) Several other misc engine parts . just ask
16) Complete set of Pietenpol plans for the 3 piece wing and extended fuse
Anyone interested can make a reasonable offer for any or all. I am located
in the Dallas\Ft Worth area and can be reached either via email
miltatkinson(at)verizon.net or cell phone 214-762-8181.
The WW manual and Clarks catalogs are not for sell . they are assigned my
customer number and I will keep these.
Milt Atkinson
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2008
From: "Milt Atkinson" <miltatkinson(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Plans have changed
Well, I started out like a house on fire gathering parts, plans, etc. and
like everything else in life, things happen . I am now going to have to
abandon the Corvair powered Pietenpol project and am willing to part with
the things I have accumulated.
I have:
1) The GM Green Manual
2) The "How to keep your Corvair Alive" book
3) 8409 crank turned .010 under, polished and tapped for the WW safety
shaft
4) The WW safety shaft
5) Folded fin oil cooler
6) 3 engine cases
7) Cylinder jugs in very good shape . could be reconditioned or used
for cores
8) 2 sets of cast iron exhaust logs
9) 2 sets of rods that were going to be used for exchange with Clarks
10) New C8800 cam with stock gear and washer installed
11) Set of new Clevite 77 .010 main bearing
12) Set of recommended heads . no work done on the heads
13) Harmonic balancer that was going to be used for a Clarks core
14) Front plate cut from a automatic trans bell housing
15) Several other misc engine parts . just ask
16) Complete set of Pietenpol plans for the 3 piece wing and extended fuse
Anyone interested can make a reasonable offer for any or all. I am located
in the Dallas\Ft Worth area and can be reached either via email
miltatkinson(at)verizon.net or cell phone 214-762-8181.
The WW manual and Clarks catalogs are not for sell . they are assigned my
customer number and I will keep these.
Milt Atkinson
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe(at)calply.com>
Subject: Plans have changed
Date: Jul 21, 2008
Milt,
Sorry to hear..best wishes to you!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage
(10 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Milt
Atkinson
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 4:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans have changed
Well, I started out like a house on fire gathering parts, plans, etc. and
like everything else in life, things happen . I am now going to have to
abandon the Corvair powered Pietenpol project and am willing to part with
the things I have accumulated.
I have:
1) The GM Green Manual
2) The "How to keep your Corvair Alive" book
3) 8409 crank turned .010 under, polished and tapped for the WW safety
shaft
4) The WW safety shaft
5) Folded fin oil cooler
6) 3 engine cases
7) Cylinder jugs in very good shape . could be reconditioned or used
for cores
8) 2 sets of cast iron exhaust logs
9) 2 sets of rods that were going to be used for exchange with Clarks
10) New C8800 cam with stock gear and washer installed
11) Set of new Clevite 77 .010 main bearing
12) Set of recommended heads . no work done on the heads
13) Harmonic balancer that was going to be used for a Clarks core
14) Front plate cut from a automatic trans bell housing
15) Several other misc engine parts . just ask
16) Complete set of Pietenpol plans for the 3 piece wing and extended fuse
Anyone interested can make a reasonable offer for any or all. I am located
in the Dallas\Ft Worth area and can be reached either via email
miltatkinson(at)verizon.net or cell phone 214-762-8181.
The WW manual and Clarks catalogs are not for sell . they are assigned my
customer number and I will keep these.
Milt Atkinson
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: New guy signs up
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: New guy signs up
Agree. I have run the numbers a few times and it seems cheaper to cut my own. I
actually like to take the time to cut/make/ build from scratch, so this will
be an enjoyable task. More time, sure, but to me, this is where the fun is.
Bill Church wrote: Jake,
One thing to remember when calculating board feet of wood required is to take
into account the thickness of the saw blade. I know, it's only about 1/8 of an
inch, but when you are talking about strips 1/4" x 1/2", it makes a difference.
As I recall, you'll need roughly one hundred six-foot lengths of capstrip to
make thirty ribs (not sure why you would want ten wall hangers). If you add one
sawblade thickness to the width and height of a capstrip, your effective size
of the capstrip becomes 3/8" x 5/8". This means that you would need about 10
bf , but I would add 20% for scrap and undetectable defects. But even at that,
you're only running about $80 for your rib wood (plus about $50 for a 4' x 4'
sheet of 1/16" ply for gussets).
Bill C.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of mr-fix-all
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 3:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New guy signs up
-->
Greetings All,
On the subject of material, I found a local supplier that has vertical grained
Douglas fir, 10-15 rings per inch, 1 inch in 40 grain run out, in the following
sizes 4/4 1x6 5.68 per bf, 5/4 1x6 6.22 per bf, and 6/4 1x6 6.32 per bf.
Based on my estimates it takes about 3/16 of a board foot to make a rib, so with
40 ribs, account for wall hangers, that means about 7 Bf of Douglas fir to
make the ribs, at 5.68 per Bf that would be bout $40 for rib wood. or have I
been sniffing fumes too long?
Thanks
Jake
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 22, 2008
From: "Bill Princell" <weprincell(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: New guy signs up
Hi Michael:
Bought cap strip from ACS and Wickes a couple of months ago. I bought most
of it from ACS. Their price was .32 per ft and they held dimension
perfectly, but at the time their lead time was 6/8weeks. So I bought enough
from Wicks to hold me over until my ACS order was shipped. I paid Wicks .70
per foot and they didn't hold dimension. A lot of it was junk, even though I
told the order desk to please make sure it was cut to dimension, since I had
had the same problem a year earlier. As a result, I won't order anything
from them again.
Bill Princell -
On 7/21/08, Michael Perez wrote:
>
>
> Curious: are there any other Sitka supliers with pre-cut capstrip othet
> then A.S. and Wicks? For those of you whom have purchased the pre-cut
> capstrip, (1/4" X 1/2") how acurate was the size of the wood and the quality
> of the surfaces? (were they REALY 1/4" X 1/2" and smooth)
>
> TONS more questions to follow over the years...please be forgiving.
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2008
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: New guy signs up
So far my plane is entirely Western Hemlock. It's been quite
an odyssey searching out the "perfect piece" but it has been
worth it. There's still things to be done before building the
wing panels, like the gas tank, firewall (partially done) , cabling
for the tailwheel, machine the brake drums, plate and shoes,
etc.,etc. There seems to be so much niggling detail! But I do
have three 1" by 5 1/2" Fir boards for spars. There's only one
place to get it here and they only get in maybe 5 to 8 boards
at a time to pick through. I'm sure to have the last one by
September though. And when the thing is finished will my
shop be empty for long? Not likely! I have no idea what the
withdrawal symptoms would be and I don't want to find out!
I have come to realize over the years that I am much more
a maker of things than a user. I suspect I'm not alone! :-)
Clif
"Education: the path from cocky ignorance to miserable uncertainty."
- Mark Twain, writer and humorist
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 5:09 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: New guy signs up
Agree. I have run the numbers a few times and it seems cheaper to cut
my own. I actually like to take the time to cut/make/ build from
scratch, so this will be an enjoyable task. More time, sure, but to me,
this is where the fun is.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Totally unrelated to Piets - but a cool new plane
Date: Jul 22, 2008
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Here's a link to a new plane that has just completed its first test
flight.
It sure ain't a Pietenpol - but it is pretty cool just the same. (if
you've got an extra $140K that you don't know what to do with).
http://www.iconaircraft.com/
Bill C.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 22, 2008
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: Totally unrelated to Piets - but a cool new plane
Bill and fellow Pietsters:
Just a bit o' background on that Icon creation. Several of the major
design guys who worked at Scaled Composites on the SpaceShipOne project
and/or the Virgin Atlantic Global Flyer have since left Scaled to form
their own company - Icon Aircraft. I believe they just might know what
they're doing.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
>>> eng(at)canadianrogers.com 7/22/2008 9:21 AM >>>
Here's a link to a new plane that has just completed its first test
flight.
It sure ain't a Pietenpol - but it is pretty cool just the same. (if
you've got an extra $140K that you don't know what to do with).
http://www.iconaircraft.com/
Bill C.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 22, 2008
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Totally unrelated to Piets - but a cool new plane
I like the picture on their website with the guy and a chick having a picnic
in a field next to their Icon. Think they may have gotten the idea for that
one from the Piet Flying and Glider Manual article? Beautiful aircraft.
Rick
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Bill Church wrote:
> Here's a link to a new plane that has just completed its first test
> flight.
> It sure ain't a Pietenpol - but it is pretty cool just the same. (if you've
> got an extra $140K that you don't know what to do with).
>
> http://www.iconaircraft.com/
>
> Bill C.
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 22, 2008
From: Owen Davies <owen5819(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: best movie scenes
mr-fix-all wrote:
> If any one has the chance find a copy of "Those magnificent men and their flying
machines". It's a 1965 movie about an international air race set in the 1900's
pretty good comedy but great old plane footage.
Wonderful stuff! My copy came from Amazon. They probably have more. WELL
worth buying.
Owen
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Icon
Date: Jul 23, 2008
From: tbyh(at)aol.com
Neat airplane! Any word on how much one of these Icon aircraft will cost? Not to
be a nay-sayer, but I'll bet at least 10 times what my Piet will end up costing
in the end...
See you all this weekend!
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: Icon
Date: Jul 23, 2008
Fred,
>From the website, they are taking orders, and the standard model is $139,000
(or approximately 10 Piets).
BC
_____
Neat airplane! Any word on how much one of these Icon aircraft will cost?
Not to be a nay-sayer, but I'll bet at least 10 times what my Piet will end
up costing in the end...
Fred B.
La Crosse, W
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Need contact info
I just watched an EAA video titled "First Flight in Your Home Built Aircraf
t." At about 6:42 there is a man which I believe is Mr. Terry Schubert. (Ho
pe I got the spelling...) I was in an Aviation Ground School class-he tou
ght in high school and had the honor of flying in his Long EZ. If anyone ca
n get me in touch with him, It would be greatly appriciated!
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Icon
Date: Jul 23, 2008
A slick presentation composed mostly of drawings of the plane pasted on
photos.
The plane only flew for the first time on July 15th. It is not what I
would call a proven product and 139 big ones is not exactly chump change
at least for most of us.
I'd doubt the whole outfit will be around 10 years from now.
If that's the type of plane I'd want I'd seriously consider the Volmer
VJ-22. The design has been around for quite a while and there a whole
bunch of them flying as a testament to what works and what don't.
http://www.volmeraircraft.com/
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church
From the website, they are taking orders, and the standard model is
$139,000 (or approximately 10 Piets).
BC
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2008
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Need contact info
Michael,
A little poking around led to this contact info, all coming from the FAA N
number registry, the EZ Squadron website, and an EAA webpage.
Terry Schubert
9283 Lindbergh Blvd
Olmsted Falls, OH 44138-2407
440-826-3055
jschuber(at)juno.com
Between the address, phone, and email, one method is bound to get you in
touch with him. Good luck,
Ryan
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Michael Perez
wrote:
> I just watched an EAA video titled "First Flight in Your Home Built
> Aircraft." At about 6:42 there is a man which I believe is Mr. Terry
> Schubert. (Hope I got the spelling...) I was in an Aviation Ground School
> class he tought in high school and had the honor of flying in his Long EZ.
> If anyone can get me in touch with him, It would be greatly appriciated!
>
> **
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Need contact info
Thank you Ryan. Greatly appriciated.
--- On Wed, 7/23/08, Ryan Mueller wrote:
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Need contact info
Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 10:26 AM
Michael,
A little poking around led to this contact info, all coming from the FAA N
number registry, the EZ Squadron website, and an EAA webpage.
Terry Schubert
9283 Lindbergh Blvd
Olmsted Falls, OH 44138-2407
440-826-3055
jschuber(at)juno.com
Between the address, phone, and email, one method is bound to get you in to
uch with him. Good luck,
Ryan
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Michael Perez w
rote:
I just watched an EAA video titled "First Flight in Your Home Built Aircraf
t." At about 6:42 there is a man which I believe is Mr. Terry Schubert. (Ho
pe I got the spelling...) I was in an Aviation Ground School class-he tou
ght in high school and had the honor of flying in his Long EZ. If anyone ca
n get me in touch with him, It would be greatly appriciated!
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2008
From: "Antoni Vidal" <antoniv(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Photo set for RC Model?
Best regards from Mallorca.
My intention is to build a 1 / 3 or 1 / 2, 4 scale model of a Aircamper to
compete in international championships of radio controled models F4C
At the moment I am gathering documentation, I need to make a replica of a
real plane in particular. That is why I speak to you.
Some of the owners of a finish aircamper, can give the maximum of pictures
of his plane?
Thanks
Antoni Vidal Nadal
Manacor
Mallorca
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com>
Subject: Piet article
Date: Jul 23, 2008
Good article on the Piet in AMT magazine this month. Starts on page 48.
http://amtonline.epubxpress.com/
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Where to look-- Corvair
If I can't find a Corvair engine locally, where is a good source to find a complete,
ready to convert engine?
________________________________________________________________________________
From: RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 23, 2008
Subject: Re: Where to look-- Corvair
Where you are from country boy? J/K! I recently saw someone in NC had
engine(s) for sale....gimme a while and I'll try to remember the source....
Boyce
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Where to look-- Corvair
I never said I LOOKED yet, just wondering where there are some good leads..
.
--- On Wed, 7/23/08, RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com wrote:
From: RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com <RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Where to look-- Corvair
Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 1:26 PM
----Where you are from country boy? J/K! I recently saw someone in
NC had engine(s) for sale....gimme a while and I'll try to remember the sou
rce....
Boyce
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________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Where to look-- Corvair
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 23, 2008
I found mine by asking around at an EAA meeting. One of the guys remembered a
junkyard a couple hours away that had some Corvairs, and I was able to find my
core there.
I also joined a local Corsa Chapter that provided some leads. Other ideas would
be to ask local auto mechanics if they have any ideas on where to find one.
Maybe put a "wanted" ad in a local paper. There's craigslist.org too.
Don't give up searching - the hunt is kinda fun! Take your camera so you can take
pictures if it's still in a car someplace.
Once I started looking I had a couple leads, and ended up grabbing a 1967 core.
Patrick
http://picasaweb.google.com/Patrick.Hoyt/PatsCorvairEngine
--------
Patrick
601XL/Corvair
N63PZ (reserved)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194573#194573
________________________________________________________________________________
From: RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 23, 2008
Subject: Re: Where to look-- Corvair
Well most people advise to check with your local Corvair chapter. That may
be an OK option. I have spotted a couple possible engine donors in a junk yard
here in SC. Honestly I have been keeping the info under my hat, as I planned
to buy them myself...but never have come up with the spare change. They were
a bit pricey last time I asked. Seems like $300 each, but I think that was
with him pulling them, which is easily worth $150 to me (versus laying in the
dirt in the SC heat!).Good luck!
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2008
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: Where to look-- Corvair
I found my Corvair core by searching the internet for the nearest
chapter of CORSA. (Corvair Owners of America)
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
>>> speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net 7/23/2008 12:14 PM >>>
If I can't find a Corvair engine locally, where is a good source to
find a complete, ready to convert engine?
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Where to look-- Corvair
Date: Jul 23, 2008
Here's one that Milt Atkinson posted to this list a few days ago:
I am now going to have to abandon the Corvair powered Pietenpol project
and am willing to part with the things I have accumulated.
1.. I have:
2.. 1) The GM Green Manual
3.. 2) The "How to keep your Corvair Alive" book
4.. 3) 8409 crank turned .010 under, polished and tapped for the WW
safety shaft
5.. 4) The WW safety shaft
6.. 5) Folded fin oil cooler
7.. 6) 3 engine cases
8.. 7) Cylinder jugs in very good shape . could be reconditioned or
used for cores
9.. 8) 2 sets of cast iron exhaust logs
10.. 9) 2 sets of rods that were going to be used for exchange with
Clarks
11.. 10) New C8800 cam with stock gear and washer installed
12.. 11) Set of new Clevite 77 .010 main bearing
13.. 12) Set of recommended heads . no work done on the heads
14.. 13) Harmonic balancer that was going to be used for a Clarks core
15.. 14) Front plate cut from a automatic trans bell housing
16.. 15) Several other misc engine parts . just ask
17.. 16) Complete set of Pietenpol plans for the 3 piece wing and
extended fuse
Anyone interested can make a reasonable offer for any or all. I am
located in the Dallas\Ft Worth area and can be reached either via email
miltatkinson(at)verizon.net or cell phone 214-762-8181
also:
If you sign up for the Corvair mail list there is someone who usualy
post daly classifieds listings on Corvair engines for sale found through
his automated nation wide Craigslist search
http://www.krnet.org/corvaircraft_inst.html
and:
http://mylist.net/listinfo/CorvAircraft
you can seach the recent postings at:
http://mylist.net/archives/corvaircraft/
Lot of goodies on Ebay as well.
MIchael in Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
If I can't find a Corvair engine locally, where is a good source
to find a complete, ready to convert engine?
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2008
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Where to look-- Corvair
I just called a few local junkyards and got lucky. Pulling the engine
yourself can be fun (just bring a floor jack), you meet some real
interesting (strange) people at a junkyard.
Rick
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:37 PM, PatrickW wrote:
>
> I found mine by asking around at an EAA meeting. One of the guys
> remembered a junkyard a couple hours away that had some Corvairs, and I was
> able to find my core there.
>
> I also joined a local Corsa Chapter that provided some leads. Other ideas
> would be to ask local auto mechanics if they have any ideas on where to find
> one. Maybe put a "wanted" ad in a local paper. There's craigslist.orgtoo.
>
> Don't give up searching - the hunt is kinda fun! Take your camera so you
> can take pictures if it's still in a car someplace.
>
> Once I started looking I had a couple leads, and ended up grabbing a 1967
> core.
>
> Patrick
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Patrick.Hoyt/PatsCorvairEngine
>
> --------
> Patrick
> 601XL/Corvair
> N63PZ (reserved)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194573#194573
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Where to look-- Corvair
Understood on the Corvair. Thanks for the responces. Everyone seems to be i
n agreement...check local junk/wrecker places, ads in paper, then the- Co
rvair chapters near by.- That is what I had figured...just wanted to ask
and see if anyone had other ideas not thought of.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: TGSTONE236(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 23, 2008
Subject: corvair engines
I got my motor from Barry Owens , paid $300 and he put it in my SUV for
me.. I am willing to bet he
336-250-0966
Lexington ,NC
has at least 50 motors that I saw there.
Ted Stone
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Aluminum in place of metal fittings
I just got my plans today from the Pietenpol family. As I glanced over them quickly,
I see the fittings involved with the 3 piece wing, wing struts, control
bell cranks, etc. I wonder if it would be safe to make some, if not all of these,
from aluminum. I am thinking of machining some of these from .125", T-6061.
The fittings to move the rudder, ailerons, etc., I wonder if, say 3/8" T-6061
would work...machined from a single slab and maybe even fitted with ball bearings
where the control wires connect. Just some thoughts. I have the machines
and material readily available. Any ideas? Anyone do this before?
________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 23, 2008
Subject: Re: Aluminum in place of metal fittings
Sounds complicated. Why don't you just stick to the plans? Can't go wrong.
Has been tested many times over. There will be many opportunities to customize
other parts of your airplane along the way.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 24, 2008
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Where to look-- Corvair
Make sure when you find one it's the engine you want, which is a late ('65 - '69)
110hp. Chevy made a number of different engines for Corvairs and some of them
you really don't want. Do your homework before you buy.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
>Sent: Jul 23, 2008 3:42 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where to look-- Corvair
>
>I just called a few local junkyards and got lucky. Pulling the engine
>yourself can be fun (just bring a floor jack), you meet some real
>interesting (strange) people at a junkyard.
>
>Rick
>
>On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:37 PM, PatrickW wrote:
>
>>
>> I found mine by asking around at an EAA meeting. One of the guys
>> remembered a junkyard a couple hours away that had some Corvairs, and I was
>> able to find my core there.
>>
>> I also joined a local Corsa Chapter that provided some leads. Other ideas
>> would be to ask local auto mechanics if they have any ideas on where to find
>> one. Maybe put a "wanted" ad in a local paper. There's craigslist.orgtoo.
>>
>> Don't give up searching - the hunt is kinda fun! Take your camera so you
>> can take pictures if it's still in a car someplace.
>>
>> Once I started looking I had a couple leads, and ended up grabbing a 1967
>> core.
>>
>> Patrick
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Patrick.Hoyt/PatsCorvairEngine
>>
>> --------
>> Patrick
>> 601XL/Corvair
>> N63PZ (reserved)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194573#194573
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>--
>Rick Holland
>Castle Rock, Colorado
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Photo set for RC Model?
Date: Jul 24, 2008
Antoni;
There is a very good archive of photographs of many Pietenpols at Chris Tracy's website, http://westcoastpiet.com/pictures.htm
Also another good resource for you is DJ Vegh in Arizona, who built a very nice RC model of the GN-1. You can see some of his work at http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/gallery.htm
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 24, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Where to look-- Corvair
Copy that Jim. I plan on getting the books and doing the research prior to buying.
--- On Thu, 7/24/08, Jim Ash wrote:
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where to look-- Corvair
Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 12:26 AM
Make sure when you find one it's the engine you want, which is a late
('65 - '69) 110hp. Chevy made a number of different engines for Corvairs
and some of them you really don't want. Do your homework before you buy.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
>Sent: Jul 23, 2008 3:42 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where to look-- Corvair
>
>I just called a few local junkyards and got lucky. Pulling the engine
>yourself can be fun (just bring a floor jack), you meet some real
>interesting (strange) people at a junkyard.
>
>Rick
>
>On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:37 PM, PatrickW wrote:
>
>>
>> I found mine by asking around at an EAA meeting. One of the guys
>> remembered a junkyard a couple hours away that had some Corvairs, and
I was
>> able to find my core there.
>>
>> I also joined a local Corsa Chapter that provided some leads. Other
ideas
>> would be to ask local auto mechanics if they have any ideas on where
to find
>> one. Maybe put a "wanted" ad in a local paper.
There's craigslist.orgtoo.
>>
>> Don't give up searching - the hunt is kinda fun! Take your camera
so you
>> can take pictures if it's still in a car someplace.
>>
>> Once I started looking I had a couple leads, and ended up grabbing a
1967
>> core.
>>
>> Patrick
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Patrick.Hoyt/PatsCorvairEngine
>>
>> --------
>> Patrick
>> 601XL/Corvair
>> N63PZ (reserved)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194573#194573
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>--
>Rick Holland
>Castle Rock, Colorado
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 24, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Riblett wood size
I have the plans for the Riblett design on its way. I have the wood which I
will cut to size in hand. Is the capstrip size for the Riblett the standar
d 1/4" X 1/2" ? Any one see issues with me cutting up 6 foot long strips th
is size for the Riblett rib design? It may be another week before I see the
plans.
-
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: Aluminum in place of metal fittings
Date: Jul 24, 2008
Mike,
In general, if you plan to substitute materials from those shown in the
plans, you had better know what you are doing.
For instance, with regards to substituting aluminum plate for the control
horns, you should be aware (maybe you are already) that if you weld
aluminum, many alloys are severely weakened at the weld location (for 6061
the reduction is about 40% within one inch of the weld).
Aluminum also does not have a fatigue limit, unlike steel. What this
basically means is that steel will not be affected by fatigue (repeated
cycles of tension and compression) unless it is stressed above a certain
level, whereas aluminum will feel the effects of fatigue at any level of
stress. Eventually, the aluminum could develop cracks due to fatigue.
Also, the solid aluminum control horns will definitely end up heavier than
the hollow, formed sheet metal horns shown in the drawings. As an example,
the aileron control horn has a surface area of approximately 19 square
inches on one side. Two thicknesses of 22ga (.03") mild steel (or 4130) will
weigh about 0.33 lb. One thickness of 3/8" aluminum will weigh approximately
0.7 lb - or twice as much. Of course, you could machine the aluminum into a
bit of an airfoil shape, which would save a few ounces. But then you will
still need to add bracing angles and nuts and bolts to mount this solid
aluminum horn. Attached is a photo of such an aluminum aileron horn (by
someone else), which was cut from 1/4" aluminum plate. I would estimate that
this whole arrangement weighs approximately 2 to 3 times as much as a
plans-built control horn.
So, in conclusion, just make sure you do your homework before you start
changing from the plans.
Bill C.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 6:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum in place of metal fittings
I just got my plans today from the Pietenpol family. As I glanced over them
quickly, I see the fittings involved with the 3 piece wing, wing struts,
control bell cranks, etc. I wonder if it would be safe to make some, if not
all of these, from aluminum. I am thinking of machining some of these from
.125", T-6061. The fittings to move the rudder, ailerons, etc., I wonder if,
say 3/8" T-6061 would work...machined from a single slab and maybe even
fitted with ball bearings where the control wires connect. Just some
thoughts. I have the machines and material readily available. Any ideas?
Anyone do this before?
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 24, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Aluminum in place of metal fittings
Thanks Bill. This is exactly why I ask. There is always someone whom knows
more then you do. After looking further into the prints, I undestand the lo
gic behind the design. I want to save weight at every turn, but not comprom
ize the integrity of the AC. Bending, and welding these different pieces wi
ll just learn me a new skill...I'm down with that. Thanks for the response.
--- On Thu, 7/24/08, Bill Church wrote:
From: Bill Church <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum in place of metal fittings
Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 12:18 PM
Mike,
In general, if-you plan to substitute materials from those shown in the p
lans, you had better know what you are doing.
For instance, with regards to substituting aluminum plate for the control h
orns, you should be aware (maybe you are already) that if you weld aluminum
, many alloys are severely weakened at the weld location (for 6061 the redu
ction is about 40% within one inch of the weld).
Aluminum also does not have a fatigue limit, unlike steel. What this basica
lly means is that steel will not be affected by fatigue (repeated cycles of
tension and compression)-unless it is stressed above a certain level, wh
ereas aluminum will feel the effects of fatigue at any level of stress. Eve
ntually, the aluminum could develop cracks due to fatigue.
Also, the solid aluminum control horns will definitely end up heavier than
the hollow, formed sheet metal horns shown in the drawings. As an example,
the aileron control horn has a surface area of approximately 19 square inch
es on one side. Two thicknesses of 22ga (.03") mild steel (or 4130) will we
igh about 0.33 lb. One thickness of 3/8" aluminum will weigh approximately
0.7 lb - or twice as much. Of course, you could machine the-aluminum into
a bit of an airfoil shape, which-would save a few ounces. But then you w
ill still need to add bracing angles and nuts and bolts-to mount this sol
id aluminum horn. Attached is a photo of such an aluminum aileron horn (by
someone else), which was cut from 1/4" aluminum plate. I would estimate tha
t this whole arrangement weighs approximately 2 to 3 times as much as a pla
ns-built control horn.
-
So, in conclusion, just make sure you do your homework before you start cha
nging from the plans.
-
Bill C.
-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 6:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum in place of metal fittings
I just got my plans today from the Pietenpol family. As I glanced over them
quickly, I see the fittings involved with the 3 piece wing, wing struts, c
ontrol bell cranks, etc. I wonder if it would be safe to make some, if not
all of these, from aluminum. I am thinking of machining some of these from
.125", T-6061. The fittings to move the rudder, ailerons, etc., I wonder if
, say 3/8" T-6061 would work...machined from a single slab and maybe even f
itted with ball bearings where the control wires connect. Just some thought
s. I have the machines and material readily available. Any ideas? Anyone do
this before?
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: Aluminum in place of metal fittings
Date: Jul 24, 2008
No problem, Mike.
Actually, I think a lot of people are intimidated by the control horns as
shown in the plans. But I don't think they are really that tricky. And when
they are well made, they are a really nice looking feature. I'm looking
forward to building those little jobbies. I'll be making mine soon (I hope)
so we'll see if I have to eat my words on that one. But, 20 or 22ga steel is
fairly easy to manipulate, and once it gets those curves bent into it (for
the airfoil shape) it will become quite rigid. The most challenging part
will be welding the light gauge metal, which, in my case, I will likely get
done for me by someone who knows what they are doing.
It has been said that Bernard Pietenpol designed the Air Camper so that it
could be built by a person with average skills and equipment, using
materials that were readily available. When you consider that that was
almost 80 years ago, and the advancements in technology and equipment that
have occurred since then, there really is no reason why anyone today
wouldn't be able to build one of these planes. If it means that some of us
get to learn a few new skills along the way, then, as you say, "I'm down
with that" too.
Enjoy the journey you're embarking on. It may not be a fast trip, but
there's lots to see and do along the way. And when you are finished
building, you can take your creation on another journey - also not a fast
trip, but with lots to see and do along the way.
Bill C.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum in place of metal fittings
Thanks Bill. This is exactly why I ask. There is always someone whom knows
more then you do. After looking further into the prints, I undestand the
logic behind the design. I want to save weight at every turn, but not
compromize the integrity of the AC. Bending, and welding these different
pieces will just learn me a new skill...I'm down with that. Thanks for the
response.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 24, 2008
From: Owen Davies <owen5819(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Aluminum in place of metal fittings
Among other useful comments, Bill Church wrote:
> Actually, I think a lot of people are intimidated by the control horns
> as shown in the plans. But I don't think they are really that tricky.
FWIW, a friend of ours built a Piet some years back. His total welding
experience was an afternoon at the local EAA chapter. The control horns
were the first steel pieces he made--with an overgrown Craftsman
handyman's torch. The results were just beautiful the first time out. He
does have talent, but based on his experience there is no reason anyone
should have trouble building usable horns.
Owen
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 24, 2008
From: "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Where to look-- Corvair
test
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ash" <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where to look-- Corvair
>
> Make sure when you find one it's the engine you want, which is a late
> ('65 - '69) 110hp. Chevy made a number of different engines for Corvairs
> and some of them you really don't want. Do your homework before you buy.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
>>Sent: Jul 23, 2008 3:42 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where to look-- Corvair
>>
>>I just called a few local junkyards and got lucky. Pulling the engine
>>yourself can be fun (just bring a floor jack), you meet some real
>>interesting (strange) people at a junkyard.
>>
>>Rick
>>
>>On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:37 PM, PatrickW wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I found mine by asking around at an EAA meeting. One of the guys
>>> remembered a junkyard a couple hours away that had some Corvairs, and I
>>> was
>>> able to find my core there.
>>>
>>> I also joined a local Corsa Chapter that provided some leads. Other
>>> ideas
>>> would be to ask local auto mechanics if they have any ideas on where to
>>> find
>>> one. Maybe put a "wanted" ad in a local paper. There's
>>> craigslist.orgtoo.
>>>
>>> Don't give up searching - the hunt is kinda fun! Take your camera so
>>> you
>>> can take pictures if it's still in a car someplace.
>>>
>>> Once I started looking I had a couple leads, and ended up grabbing a
>>> 1967
>>> core.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Patrick.Hoyt/PatsCorvairEngine
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Patrick
>>> 601XL/Corvair
>>> N63PZ (reserved)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194573#194573
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Rick Holland
>>Castle Rock, Colorado
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Aluminum in place of metal fittings
Date: Jul 24, 2008
From:
http://members.aol.com/bpanews/www.html
You can change Mr. Pietenpol's plans
and build a good airplane.
But if you don't change them, you'll build
a better one. . . . . Jim VanDervort
Michael in Maine
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 24, 2008
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Where to look-- Corvair
If you are still in search of a corvair or in need of rebuilding and assemb
ly to include testing of your engine....contact this site: www.billclapp.co
m-- Look under Corvair services and tell him Ken Heide sent you! Let hi
m know you are from the pietenpol site. He has engines I believe in stock.
If you want to purchase an engine, I have two complete- torn down engines
ready to be rebuilt. Nothing missing. Email me with your information and a
number so we can discuss in further details.
-
Also, I have a corvair guru who can sell you an engine since he has several
in storage.
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
-
-=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Aluminum in place of metal fittings
Date: Jul 24, 2008
Michael:
Santiago Morete's project.
If you can read Spanish you will find some good advise regarding the
design, if not just enjoy the photos
http://www.aracuan.com.ar/pietenpol.htm
Michael
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 24, 2008
From: "Lazlo Almasi" <aqulisaq(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Where to look-- Corvair
Re: Mr. Clapp:
Please read the links
http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/message?sn=0&hit=39
http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/message?sn=0&hit=4
http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/message?sn=0&hit=28
http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/message?sn=0&hit=8
Caveat emptor
Lazlo
----- Original Message -----
*From:* KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
*To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
*Sent:* Thursday, July 24, 2008 3:48 PM
*Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where to look-- Corvair
If you are still in search of a corvair or in need of rebuilding and
assembly to include testing of your engine....contact this site:
www.billclapp.com Look under Corvair services and tell him Ken Heide sent
you! Let him know you are from the pietenpol site. He has engines I believe
in stock. If you want to purchase an engine, I have two complete torn down
engines ready to be rebuilt. Nothing missing. Email me with your information
and a number so we can discuss in further details.
Also, I have a corvair guru who can sell you an engine since he has several
in storage.
*Kenn**eth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP *
**
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 24, 2008
From: "Lazlo Almasi" <aqulisaq(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Where to look-- Corvair
<http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/message?sn=0&hit=39>go to:
http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/
search for Bill Clapp, see results under:
Jul 5, 2008 CorvAircraft> Re: KR> Who bought my stuff / Bill Clapp
flykr2s(at)charter.net
Jun 22, 2008 CorvAircraft> setting the record straight N56ML(at)hiwaay.net
Mar 7, 2008 CorvAircraft> Issues with Bill Clapp, Long Post
WilliamTCA(at)aol.com
Mar 9, 2008 Re: CorvAircraft> Enough on the character assassination
n56ml(at)hiwaay.net
<http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/message?sn=0&hit=4>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Where to look-- Corvair
Date: Jul 24, 2008
You know, there's a guy on the Corvair list that finds
and puts up Craigslist engines from all over the country.
You should sign up if you already haven't.
Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where to look-- Corvair
Copy that Jim. I plan on getting the books and doing the
research prior to buying.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Where to look-- Corvair
Date: Jul 24, 2008
Michael; you can contact Raymond Hanover (rhano(at)att.net) for the name of a friend
up in Wyoming that has a Corvair he has cleaned up and stored along with a
Wynne manual.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 24, 2008
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Where to look-- Corvair
Memebers of the list!!!
-
I had no idea he was a con artist! I take back any mention of him or is ser
vices! Geez....glad I did not use him! Thanks for the heads up on his opera
tion!
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
-
--- On Thu, 7/24/08, Lazlo Almasi wrote:
From: Lazlo Almasi <aqulisaq(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where to look-- Corvair
Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 5:40 PM
go to:
http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/
search for Bill Clapp, see results under:
Jul 5, 2008 CorvAircraft> Re: KR> Who bought my stuff / Bill Clapp flykr2s@
charter.net
Jun 22, 2008 CorvAircraft> setting the record straight N56ML(at)hiwaay.net
Mar 7, 2008 CorvAircraft> Issues with Bill Clapp, Long Post- WilliamTCA@a
ol.com
Mar 9, 2008 Re: CorvAircraft> Enough on the character assassination n56ml@h
iwaay.net
=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 25, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Riblett install
Curious: what are the pros/cons, or if it is even worth considering, to making
the Riblett design wing ribs and leave the rest as per the Pietenpol plans. Make
the Riblett ribs, then use the Pietenpol plans to make the wing, mount the
fittings, place on plane , etc. Everything would be Pietnpol, except the wing
ribs. What say you?
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Best movie flying scenes
Date: Jul 25, 2008
One Six Right to play on PBS soon acording to AOPA news buletin
http://www.terwilligerproductions.com/onesixright/officialsite/
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe(at)calply.com>
Subject: Riblett install
Date: Jul 25, 2008
Michael,
I have not seen the "Riblett" design, so cannot comment on that. I will say,
though, that making ribs according to BHP is not difficult, though somewhat
tedious. To break the tedium, I simply have a board set aside with the rib
template and work in ribs in conjunction with everything else. At my present
rate it will probably take about a year to complete the ribs, while
completing tail and fuselage. The scraps of mahogany plywood from fuselage
construction work great to make into gussets!
Happy Building,
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage
(10 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 6:15 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Riblett install
Curious: what are the pros/cons, or if it is even worth considering, to
making the Riblett design wing ribs and leave the rest as per the Pietenpol
plans. Make the Riblett ribs, then use the Pietenpol plans to make the wing,
mount the fittings, place on plane , etc. Everything would be Pietnpol,
except the wing ribs. What say you?
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 25, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Riblett install
I am interested in what I have heard about the Riblett design. I am not con
cerned with making ribs of any kind...They do not seem difficult at all.-
IF and I say IF, I can get a performance edge with JUST a rib change, this
is what I want to do. However, I have also heard that there maybe some othe
r mods needed to be done once you do incorperate the Riblett ribs. If the r
ipple effect becomes too much of a problem...I end up making lots of change
s to use them, I will go with the stock ribs. I hope to hear if I can just
change the ribs...everything else stays as drawn on the BHP plans. (locatio
ns of fittings, rib spacing, wing length, mounting to fuse., etc.
--- On Fri, 7/25/08, Gary Boothe wrote:
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe(at)calply.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Riblett install
Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 12:19 PM
Michael,
-
I have not seen the =93Riblett=94 design, so cannot comment on that. I will
say, though, that making ribs according to BHP is not difficult, though so
mewhat tedious. To break the tedium, I simply have a board set aside with t
he rib template and work in ribs in conjunction with everything else. At my
present rate it will probably take about a year to complete the ribs, whil
e completing tail and fuselage. The scraps of mahogany plywood from fuselag
e construction work great to make into gussets!
-
Happy Building,
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage
(10 ribs down=85)
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 6:15 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Riblett install
-
Curious: what are the pros/cons, or if it is even worth considering, to mak
ing the Riblett design wing ribs and leave the rest as per the Pietenpol pl
ans. Make the Riblett ribs, then use the Pietenpol plans to make the wing,
mount the fittings, place on plane , etc. Everything would be Pietnpol, exc
ept the wing ribs. What say you? - -http://www.matronics.com/contributi
on -
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Grand Rapids Technologies EIS
Date: Jul 25, 2008
Howdy, Pieters;
This from Raymond Hanover, who bought DJ Vegh's GN-1 project and is looking to
sell or trade the Grand Rapids unit that is in it:
>seriously would consider swapping for real instruments if you hear of anyone that
wants an EIS system.
>my cell phone number is 806 663-1822 and house is 806 848-2838 .or they can E-mail
me rhano(at)att.net
DJ's website is still up and active and you can see all his construction progress photos, but the page that shows the EIS is here: http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/09-01-04.htm
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: project
From: "skellytown flyer" <rhano(at)att.net>
Date: Jul 25, 2008
i have been off the list as far as posting after changing e-mail servers but maybe
this will work.I am trying to get moving again on the project I bought from
D.J. last year.I just pulled the Corvair engine from the mount this afternoon
and decided to weigh it before moving it out of the way while I work on the
fuselage.if I was seeing the scales right-( they were pretty well covered up with
the base I set it on) but including the 15# for the wood base I made to sit
it on it looked like 240# so that would be about 225# without it.and that didn't
include the carb and tubing left hanging on the firewall,the starter or the
exhaust stacks i removed,prop and bolts etc. does this sound reasonable? I
sure would like to get this plane flying in the next year.but I am not real fond
of the EIS unit in the panel.I know they are not cheap but seems to me that
a couple of steam gages would look a lot more natural in a Piet.-well a GN-1
anyway.Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194962#194962
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net>
Subject: Re: Riblett install
Date: Jul 25, 2008
The ONLY change you make in the wing from the Pietenpol plan is that
because the rib is deeper (thicker chord) you may want to put a filler
block above the spar to fill in the space between the spar and the top
rib strip. Everything else is unchanged. all your fittings, aileron
hinges, cabane attach plate, everything else is the same. There's a
lot of people out there who Think they know what they're talking about
and you have to "separate the wheat from the chaff".
On Jul 25, 2008, at 12:00 PM, Michael Perez wrote:
> I am interested in what I have heard about the Riblett design. I am
> not concerned with making ribs of any kind...They do not seem
> difficult at all. IF and I say IF, I can get a performance edge with
> JUST a rib change, this is what I want to do. However, I have also
> heard that there maybe some other mods needed to be done once you do
> incorperate the Riblett ribs. If the ripple effect becomes too much
> of a problem...I end up making lots of changes to use them, I will
> go with the stock ribs. I hope to hear if I can just change the
> ribs...everything else stays as drawn on the BHP plans. (locations
> of fittings, rib spacing, wing length, mounting to fuse., etc.
>
> --- On Fri, 7/25/08, Gary Boothe wrote:
> From: Gary Boothe <gboothe(at)calply.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Riblett install
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 12:19 PM
>
> Michael,
>
>
> I have not seen the =93Riblett=94 design, so cannot comment on that. I
> will say, though, that making ribs according to BHP is not
> difficult, though somewhat tedious. To break the tedium, I simply
> have a board set aside with the rib template and work in ribs in
> conjunction with everything else. At my present rate it will
> probably take about a year to complete the ribs, while completing
> tail and fuselage. The scraps of mahogany plywood from fuselage
> construction work great to make into gussets!
>
>
> Happy Building,
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, working on fuselage
> (10 ribs down=85)
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 6:15 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Riblett install
>
>
> Curious: what are the pros/cons, or if it is even worth considering,
> to making the Riblett design wing ribs and leave the rest as per the
> Pietenpol plans. Make the Riblett ribs, then use the Pietenpol plans
> to make the wing, mount the fittings, place on plane , etc.
> Everything would be Pietnpol, except the wing ribs. What say you?
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> " target=_blank
rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com
> blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Riblett install
From: "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au>
Date: Jul 26, 2008
Hi all
Thats an interesting point that you make about the blocks on to of the spars
I have built 32 of the Ribblett ribs and then not thinking went and ordered the
spar material from the cutting list I have, hence the spar material is to small
for my ribs,So I was planning to order some larger timber to make the spars
bigger.
Do you think that using blocks would be sufficient ?
Carson
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195022#195022
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Riblett install
Date: Jul 26, 2008
Personally I would take advantage of that extra height with
a taller spar to fit.
Clif
>
> Hi all
> Thats an interesting point that you make about the blocks on to of the
> spars
I was planning to order some larger timber to make the spars bigger.
> Do you think that using blocks would be sufficient ?
> Carson
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net>
Subject: Re: Riblett install
Date: Jul 26, 2008
Considering the cost of Sitka spruce and adding 30 ft. of more wood
and its weight and considering I've never heard of a Pietenpol wing
folding, then unless you plan on doing some serious aerobatics, what's
the point? Do a beam load calculation. You'll be amazed at the load
that wing can support. And about weight, Bernard Pietenpol even
routed out his 1" spars to SAVE weight.
Plus your strut brackets will have to be extended and we're back to
modifying other parts just like Perez mentioned.
I'm going to go with the blocks.
Roman Bukolt NX20795
On Jul 26, 2008, at 2:11 AM, carson wrote:
> >
>
> Hi all
> Thats an interesting point that you make about the blocks on to of
> the spars
> I have built 32 of the Ribblett ribs and then not thinking went and
> ordered the spar material from the cutting list I have, hence the
> spar material is to small for my ribs,So I was planning to order
> some larger timber to make the spars bigger.
> Do you think that using blocks would be sufficient ?
> Carson
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195022#195022
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 26, 2008
From: Tim Verthein <minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Waldo Pepper - One More Time
I haven't seen this movie since it was new in the theatre probably 30 years ago.
My quest to find a copy turned up nothing locally.
Then, it turns out my Mom had it on VHS. She actually wrote an article about it
25 years or so ago. Since my folks don't even HAVE a VHS player anymore, she
gave it to me.
I have dubbed it to DVD. If there is anyone on the list who hasn't seen the movie
who would like to I sell send a DVD to anyone who wants one for no charge
at all. Just don't expect any fancy packaging.
And yes, to those of you with scruples who worry about such things I'm sure this
is some horrid copyright violation. but since it's not available for purchase
new, used copies are hard to come by (and often expensive) and I really doubt
anyone at the studio, or any of the performers gets much for it when a used
copy changes hands at some insane collector price anyway, and heck, I'm offering
them FREE, I'm not gonna worry about it. If Mr. Redford would like to call
me and ask for his share, more power to him.
So, that's the offer. Probably best to e-mail me of list if you'd like one:
minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com
Tim in Bovey
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Possibly Looking for a construction partner
Date: Jul 26, 2008
Hi,
It's been a long, long time since I've been on the list, but life is
making a turn for the better & I'm hoping to get back on my project
soon.
I've been thinking seriously about finding someone who wants to
partner with me on the project, partly as a way to offset cost,
partly as a way to keep motivated & moving forward, but mostly to
have someone to share the fun with & to make ownership of the
finished plane more affordable and worthwhile - I don't want the
plane to be a hangar queen because I can only fly it once a month or
so (I'll be on the road a fair amount with a new job).
No one in any of my local EAA chapters is interested - they either
have their own projects or aren't interested in building.
So, is there anyone out the who is also in the Akron, OH area that
might be interested? I live in North Canton, OH
Project status - fuselage (long version) & empennage woodwork mostly
done, glued with aerolite; metal gear fabricated by previous project
owner, but may need modification to have brakes; most wood needed to
finish project on hand - still need 2 spars. Corvair engine torn
down & rebuild started. Instruments purchased, most will need some
R&R. Cleveland wheels & brakes off of a C150, need R&R. Lots of
other misc. parts & raw materials. I'm doing most work in my
basement, but it's tight & I can't build the wings down there - no
way to get them out when done.
I have about $5500 in the plane & figure another $5-8000 to finish.
If anyone is interested, let me know.
Hope everyone who went is enjoying Brodhead!
Kip Gardner
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 26, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Riblett install
THAT is the kind of no non-sense type of answer I like. Hello Roman, I hope
my check made it to you by now?- Thanks for the info. You answered my qu
estion exactly...thanks.
--- On Fri, 7/25/08, Roman Bukolt wrote:
From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Riblett install
Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 9:45 PM
The ONLY change you make in the wing from the Pietenpol plan is that becaus
e the rib is deeper (thicker chord) you may want to put a filler block abov
e the spar to fill in the space between the spar and the top rib strip. -
Everything else is unchanged. all your fittings, aileron hinges, cabane att
ach plate, everything else is the same. -There's a lot of people out ther
e who Think they know what they're talking about and you have to "separate
the wheat from the chaff".
On Jul 25, 2008, at 12:00 PM, Michael Perez wrote:
I am interested in what I have heard about the Riblett design. I am not con
cerned with making ribs of any kind...They do not seem difficult at all.-
IF and I say IF, I can get a performance edge with JUST a rib change, this
is what I want to do. However, I have also heard that there maybe some othe
r mods needed to be done once you do incorperate the Riblett ribs. If the r
ipple effect becomes too much of a problem...I end up making lots of change
s to use them, I will go with the stock ribs. I hope to hear if I can just
change the ribs...everything else stays as drawn on the BHP plans. (locatio
ns of fittings, rib spacing, wing length, mounting to fuse., etc.
--- On-Fri, 7/25/08, Gary Boothe--wrote:
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe(at)calply.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Riblett install
To:-pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 12:19 PM
Michael,
-
I have not seen the =93Riblett=94 design, so cannot comment on that. I will
say, though, that making ribs according to BHP is not difficult, though so
mewhat tedious. To break the tedium, I simply have a board set aside with t
he rib template and work in ribs in conjunction with everything else. At my
present rate it will probably take about a year to complete the ribs, whil
e completing tail and fuselage. The scraps of mahogany plywood from fuselag
e construction work great to make into gussets!
-
Happy Building,
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage
(10 ribs down=85)
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Curious: what are the pros/cons, or if it is even worth considering, to mak
ing the Riblett design wing ribs and leave the rest as per the Pietenpol pl
ans. Make the Riblett ribs, then use the Pietenpol plans to make the wing,
mount the fittings, place on plane , etc. Everything would be Pietnpol, exc
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Subject: Corvair engine
From: "skellytown flyer" <rhano(at)att.net>
Date: Jul 26, 2008
I have a friend in Wyoming that has a Corvair engine he diss-assembled and cleaned
up and boxed up a while back.he also bought a Wynn manual to go with it.he
will never do anything with it I don't think and is interested in selling it.if
anyone is interested send me an E-mail and I will put you in touch with him.Raymond
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Subject: Re: Corvair engine
From: "mr-fix-all" <jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com>
Date: Jul 26, 2008
Where in wyoming? my father in law travels out there from time to time and might
be able to pick it up if the price is right?
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From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net>
Subject: Re: Waldo Pepper - One More Time
Date: Jul 26, 2008
I would love to get one.
Roman Bukolt
6505 Urich Ter.
Madison, wi.53719
On Jul 26, 2008, at 8:27 AM, Tim Verthein wrote:
> >
>
> I haven't seen this movie since it was new in the theatre probably
> 30 years ago. My quest to find a copy turned up nothing locally.
>
> Then, it turns out my Mom had it on VHS. She actually wrote an
> article about it 25 years or so ago. Since my folks don't even HAVE
> a VHS player anymore, she gave it to me.
>
> I have dubbed it to DVD. If there is anyone on the list who hasn't
> seen the movie who would like to I sell send a DVD to anyone who
> wants one for no charge at all. Just don't expect any fancy
> packaging.
>
> And yes, to those of you with scruples who worry about such things
> I'm sure this is some horrid copyright violation. but since it's
> not available for purchase new, used copies are hard to come by (and
> often expensive) and I really doubt anyone at the studio, or any of
> the performers gets much for it when a used copy changes hands at
> some insane collector price anyway, and heck, I'm offering them
> FREE, I'm not gonna worry about it. If Mr. Redford would like to
> call me and ask for his share, more power to him.
>
> So, that's the offer. Probably best to e-mail me of list if you'd
> like one:
>
> minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com
>
> Tim in Bovey
>
>
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From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jul 27, 2008
Subject: First flight in a Piet
YaHoo, I took my first flight in a Pietenpol. I cannot thank Oscar Zuniga enough.
I am sold. I hope that I can convince the Household Six to let me get an aircamper.
Probably a few years in the future.
Oscar took me up and I was very impressed by the performance. It seemed to outclimb
my friends Aeronca Champ with the same 65 horse engine, even with my 204
LB carcass wedged aboard at 90+ degrees. . It handled quite well considering I
was wedged in the front cockpit. It is certainly a blast to fly. I am sold. The
Perfect plane to indulge one's passion for flying for fun.
Oscar did a great landing considering the wind was whipping from straight down
the runway to 90 degrees. I esd impressed.
Again, Many thanks to Oscar.
Blue Skies and Bright Eyes
Steve D
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Subject: Re: Waldo Pepper - One More Time
From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 27, 2008
You been sitting with a for-flusher Mary Beth
------Original Message------
From: Roman Bukolt
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Jul 26, 2008 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Waldo Pepper - One More Time
I would love to get one.
Roman Bukolt
6505 Urich Ter.
Madison, wi.53719
On Jul 26, 2008, at 8:27 AM, Tim Verthein wrote:
> >
>
> I haven't seen this movie since it was new in the theatre probably
> 30 years ago. My quest to find a copy turned up nothing locally.
>
> Then, it turns out my Mom had it on VHS. She actually wrote an
> article about it 25 years or so ago. Since my folks don't even HAVE
> a VHS player anymore, she gave it to me.
>
> I have dubbed it to DVD. If there is anyone on the list who hasn't
> seen the movie who would like to I sell send a DVD to anyone who
> wants one for no charge at all. Just don't expect any fancy
> packaging.
>
> And yes, to those of you with scruples who worry about such things
> I'm sure this is some horrid copyright violation. but since it's
> not available for purchase new, used copies are hard to come by (and
> often expensive) and I really doubt anyone at the studio, or any of
> the performers gets much for it when a used copy changes hands at
> some insane collector price anyway, and heck, I'm offering them
> FREE, I'm not gonna worry about it. If Mr. Redford would like to
> call me and ask for his share, more power to him.
>
> So, that's the offer. Probably best to e-mail me of list if you'd
> like one:
>
> minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com
>
> Tim in Bovey
>
>
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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Date: Jul 27, 2008
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: First flight in a Piet
I'll sell ya mine for $17,500.00.I have to get out of the hanger renting bu
siness,it's killing me.=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "Dor
tch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" =0ATo: pietenpol-
list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:19:02 AM=0ASubject: Piet
enpol-List: First flight in a Piet=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted b
y: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" =0A=0AYaHo
o, I took my first flight in a Pietenpol. I cannot thank Oscar Zuniga enoug
h. I am sold. I hope that I can convince the Household Six to let me get an
aircamper. Probably a few years in the future. =0A=0AOscar took me up and
I was very impressed by the performance. It seemed to outclimb my friends A
eronca Champ with the same 65 horse engine, even with my 204 LB carcass wed
ged aboard at 90+ degrees. . It handled quite well considering I was wedged
in the front cockpit. It is certainly a blast to fly. I am sold. The Perfe
ct plane to indulge one's passion for flying for fun.- =0A=0AOscar did a
great landing considering the wind was whipping from straight down the runw
ay to 90 degrees. I esd impressed. =0A=0AAgain, Many thanks to Oscar. =0A
=========================0A
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Subject: Re: Corvair engine
From: "skellytown flyer" <rhano(at)att.net>
Date: Jul 27, 2008
He lives in Cowley-the northeast part of the state.if you want to contact him e-mail
me off list and I'll forward the message.Raymond
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From: erik finster <es_finster(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Waldo Pepper - One More Time
Date: Jul 27, 2008
Dear Sir
My Name is Erik Billing I Have started a Piet a few yrs ago but the grant
money ran out LOL I would Love a Copy of Waldo Pepper =2C but as I Live in
Canada I MUST INSIST that I pay postage !
my address is
ERIK BILLING
1006 GARDEN COURT
WINDSOR ONTARIO
CANADA N8S2R9
P.S. Is a Personal Money Order( In US Funds ) O.K.?> From: conceptmodels@t
ds.net> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wald
o Pepper - One More Time> Date: Sat=2C 26 Jul 2008 22:44:25 -0500> > --> Pi
etenpol-List message posted by: Roman Bukolt > > I w
ould love to get one.> Roman Bukolt> 6505 Urich Ter.> Madison=2C wi.53719>
On Jul 26=2C 2008=2C at 8:27 AM=2C Tim Verthein wrote:> > > --> Pietenpol-L
ist message posted by: Tim Verthein > >> >>
> I haven't seen this movie since it was new in the theatre probably > > 30
years ago. My quest to find a copy turned up nothing locally.> >> > Then
=2C it turns out my Mom had it on VHS. She actually wrote an > > article ab
out it 25 years or so ago. Since my folks don't even HAVE > > a VHS player
anymore=2C she gave it to me.> >> > I have dubbed it to DVD. If there is an
yone on the list who hasn't > > seen the movie who would like to I sell sen
d a DVD to anyone who > > wants one for no charge at all. Just don't expect
any fancy > > packaging.> >> > And yes=2C to those of you with scruples wh
o worry about such things > > I'm sure this is some horrid copyright violat
ion. but since it's > > not available for purchase new=2C used copies are h
ard to come by (and > > often expensive) and I really doubt anyone at the s
tudio=2C or any of > > the performers gets much for it when a used copy cha
nges hands at > > some insane collector price anyway=2C and heck=2C I'm off
ering them > > FREE=2C I'm not gonna worry about it. If Mr. Redford would l
ike to > > call me and ask for his share=2C more power to him.> >> > So=2C
that's the offer. Probably best to e-mail me of list if you'd > > like one:
> >> > minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com> >> > Tim in Bovey> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
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Subject: Re: Brodhead
From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 27, 2008
Hello good people
Wow, what a great fly in lots of Piets, lots of rides and lots of friends new and
old.
After the war it was like this all the time I guess people are just getting used
to Airplanes
Thanks to all that organized and worked to make it what it was
Thanks for the rides Dan. Dennis asked me a bunch of questions about flying once
we got back to the Hotel.
Great meeting Santiago he's building a really nice piet
John
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From: skellytown flyer
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Sent: Jul 27, 2008 8:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair engine
He lives in Cowley-the northeast part of the state.if you want to contact him e-mail
me off list and I'll forward the message.Raymond
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Subject: Re: Brodhead
From: "mr-fix-all" <jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com>
Date: Jul 27, 2008
To All,
My wife and I along with our Nephew drove over to Brodhead on Saturday. We met
Roman and our Nephew Brandon who is 8 years old got to sit in Roman's plane.
If any of you ever have the chance to meet and talk with Roman do not pass up
the opportunity. Roman is one of those rare individuals who enjoys passing on
the information that he has spent a lifetime collecting.
We then met Bill Rewey. Initially Brandon didn't think riding in a plane with
no doors was a good Idea. After about an hour he asked me if I thought Bill would
still give him a ride. We walked over and Immediately Bill asked if someone
had had a change of heart. Brandon who loves rides on my Harley thought about
it and I told him its like riding a Harley in the air. 10 minutes later
Brandon was strapped in the front seat, and Bill had his Piet running. 15 minutes
later the daring duo returned and Brandon was grinning like a possum.
I can't begin to put into words all of the kindness that all of the pilots and
builders showed, answering both my questions and the myriad of questions posed
by an 8 year old,
Brandon has already decided that he is going next year, he asked if I could take
him. I was 4 when a Man similar to Roman and Bill infected me with the love
of flight, I can only home that the Disease takes hold in this young avaitor
as well.
I have attached a pic of Bill and Brandon with Roman's plane in the background.
My Prayers and thanks to all
Jake Spiegel and Brandon Clayton.
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Subject: GN-1 jury struts
From: "skellytown flyer" <rhano(at)att.net>
Date: Jul 27, 2008
I hope I'm not posting this twice.but anybody have the approximate length of the
jury struts on a GN-1 ? I am getting an order together and my plane is apart.would
like to go ahead and include the strut material.thanks.Raymond
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Date: Jul 27, 2008
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Safe, Successful journy
Hello Guys, and Gals,
N92GB made it 432 miles to Brodhead, and 432 miles back from Brodhead with
out a hitch.- Tailwinds graced us on the way home and cut about an hour o
ff the trip home.- Thank you for the inspiration throughout the past Brod
head fly-ins, when all we did was watch Piets fly.- I was able to give a
couple rides at Brodhead but due to aging bungees wasn't able to give rides
to "average weight" adults.-
-
Wife is calling, and I have been gone for 4 days,
-
Shad-=0A=0A=0A
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From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Safe, Successful journy
Date: Jul 28, 2008
Well done, Shad!
I enjoyed our brief formation flight. Hopefully next year we can do it
again with passengers and cameras for some good air-to-air footage.
Dick Navratil and I made it home around 3:00pm to the Minneapolis area.
Cheers!
Greg Cardinal
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From: shad bell
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 7:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Safe, Successful journy
Hello Guys, and Gals,
N92GB made it 432 miles to Brodhead, and 432 miles back from
Brodhead with out a hitch. Tailwinds graced us on the way home and cut
about an hour off the trip home. Thank you for the inspiration
throughout the past Brodhead fly-ins, when all we did was watch Piets
fly. I was able to give a couple rides at Brodhead but due to aging
bungees wasn't able to give rides to "average weight" adults.
Wife is calling, and I have been gone for 4 days,
Shad
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Date: Jul 28, 2008
From: Ron Franck <franck(at)geneseo.net>
Subject: Re: Waldo Pepper
I've got a new, unopened DVD of "The Great Waldo Pepper" that I'm willing
to trade for a completed and flying Pietenpol.
If I get multiple offers I'll consider the Piet with the better engine
installation.
OK, before anybody flames me, this is just a little tongue-in-cheek, but I
do have a new, unopened copy on DVD. Just for kicks, I checked ebay and
found this listing: 120255960384
The guy wants $125.00 for a used DVD. I about fell out of my chair. I
better put my copy inside a fireproof safe!
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Subject: Bummer
Date: Jul 28, 2008
From: tbyh(at)aol.com
My oldest son and I headed out at 5:00 a.m. sharp (from La Crosse) this past Saturday
morning headed for Brodhead for the day. Just as we were going by?Wisconsin
Dells about 6:30 a.m.the truck started acting up and then it just plain died
-- the alternator went kablooey! Of course, no parts house anywhere around
had an alternator on hand for a '98 Nissan Frontier. So, the garage we found
charged the battery to the max and we turned around and went home (I suppose we
could have gone on to Brodhead, but coming home at night would have required
lights and the battery just wouldn't have made that.)
Tonight I am installing a new alternator?(found one at the Autozone in Winona,
MN, and since the wife and I were going to Rochester MN Sunday afternoon we swung
through and picked it up). Anyway, what an absolute ?bummer, especially for
my son Billy who has never been to Brodhead for the Piet reunion. All afternoon
as I was removing the old alternator I thought about the fly-bys and activity
and workshops, and at supper time I thought about you all enjoying the pork
chops together. Torture!
Well, there's always next year.?I hope those of you who were there had a terrific
time and will post some pics and reports soon!?
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: new ford motor
Date: Jul 28, 2008
Ken Perkins was talking about a new model A motor being made in a small run.
Does anybody have info or a link about that?
It was great to see you all!
Douwe
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From: Marc Davis <marcs_listreading(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo!
Date: Jul 28, 2008
Hello All
Well I've had the plans for some time and followed the list off and on but
=2C a piet came for sale on
craigslist and I had to jump.
Here are a few photos of it. http://picasaweb.google.com/sandy.n.marc/Piet
enpol
It has two problems (at least) The tail wheel was poorly installed and I t
hink the two lower longerons are broken.
The plane had a corvair at first and later had a a65 installed. With the a
65 it was VERY aft CG. The elevator was about 50% deflected in level fligh
t and that way with 50 lbs of lead bolted to the engine mount.
I don't know what the fuselage length is but I will measure tonight. I ass
ume I will have to build a longer motor mount.
Once I have the tail uncovered I will be looking for suggestions un how to
improve things.
I am not buying the motor or prop with the plane because I have a couple a6
5's already.
I'll have more photos and more questions later
Marc
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From: Marc Davis <marcs_listreading(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: wing struts
Date: Jul 28, 2008
One question right off the bat. The wing strut fittings seem to built to p
lans but....
It seems like a strange design. In compression the strut ends sort of kink
sideways in the strut.
Are people flying with this arrangement? I see come are using he aluminum
strut material.
Marc
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From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 28, 2008
Subject: Re: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo!
Congrats on your find and purchase
John
In a message dated 7/28/2008 7:17:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
marcs_listreading(at)hotmail.com writes:
Hello All
Well I've had the plans for some time and followed the list off and on but,
a piet came for sale on
craigslist and I had to jump.
Here are a few photos of it.
_http://picasaweb.google.com/sandy.n.marc/Pietenpol_ (http://picasaweb.google.com/sandy.n.marc/Pietenpol)
It has two problems (at least) The tail wheel was poorly installed and I
think the two lower longerons are broken.
The plane had a corvair at first and later had a a65 installed. With the
a65 it was VERY aft CG. The elevator was about 50% deflected in level flight
and that way with 50 lbs of lead bolted to the engine mount.
I don't know what the fuselage length is but I will measure tonight. I
assume I will have to build a longer motor mount.
Once I have the tail uncovered I will be looking for suggestions un how to
improve things.
I am not buying the motor or prop with the plane because I have a couple
a65's already.
I'll have more photos and more questions later
Marc
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From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo!
Date: Jul 28, 2008
Marc, moving the wing aft may be a better way to go rather than a longer
motor mount. Worked very well for me. I would suggest you take a deep
breath and don't do anything for a while. Once you have itemized what
you want to do I would put it out on this list for dicussion. So much
knowledge here. No need to reinvent the wheel.
Just my thoughts
Gene
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From: Marc Davis
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo!
Hello All
Well I've had the plans for some time and followed the list off and on
but, a piet came for sale on
craigslist and I had to jump.
Here are a few photos of it.
http://picasaweb.google.com/sandy.n.marc/Pietenpol
It has two problems (at least) The tail wheel was poorly installed
and I think the two lower longerons are broken.
The plane had a corvair at first and later had a a65 installed. With
the a65 it was VERY aft CG. The elevator was about 50% deflected in
level flight and that way with 50 lbs of lead bolted to the engine
mount.
I don't know what the fuselage length is but I will measure tonight.
I assume I will have to build a longer motor mount.
Once I have the tail uncovered I will be looking for suggestions un
how to improve things.
I am not buying the motor or prop with the plane because I have a
couple a65's already.
I'll have more photos and more questions later
Marc
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From: "Chet's Mail" <Chethartley1(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo!
Date: Jul 28, 2008
Marc,
Is the engine still for sale I would be interested in it.
Chet
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From: Marc Davis <marcs_listreading(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo!
Date: Jul 28, 2008
I thought about moving the wing=2C and may do it. It would make it harder
for me to get in and out of the plane.
I did measure the Fuselage length and I have the short fuselage (Improved 1
933 plans=2C and 161 and 1/4").
I see that Chuck Gantzer (http://nx770cg.com/) moved the engine forward whe
n faced with the same problem.
I'm planning to email him to see if him plane has problems recovering from
a slip as BHP is reported to have suggested.
Maybe I should put a 3 blade constant speed prop on to help balance the pla
ne. (just joking).
I also noticed that the both elevators are warped=2C so I will have to rebu
ild those. Much of the hardware on the plane is of the hardware store verit
y so that will have to be fixed. And the tail wires are a but odd so I'll h
ave to look at those. Hmmm.. Should be flying Wednesday.
Thanks
Marc
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tenpol-List: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo!Date: Mon=2C 28 Jul 2008 19:58:23
-0500
Marc=2C moving the wing aft may be a better way to go rather than a longer
motor mount. Worked very well for me. I would suggest you take a deep bre
ath and don't do anything for a while. Once you have itemized what you wan
t to do I would put it out on this list for discussion. So much knowledge
here. No need to reinvent the wheel.
Just my thoughts
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Davis
Sent: Monday=2C July 28=2C 2008 6:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo!
Hello All Well I've had the plans for some time and followed the list off a
nd on but=2C a piet came for sale on craigslist and I had to jump. Here are
a few photos of it. http://picasaweb.google.com/sandy.n.marc/Pietenpol It
has two problems (at least) The tail wheel was poorly installed and I thi
nk the two lower longerons are broken.The plane had a corvair at first and
later had a a65 installed. With the a65 it was VERY aft CG. The elevator
was about 50% deflected in level flight and that way with 50 lbs of lead bo
lted to the engine mount. I don't know what the fuselage length is but I
will measure tonight. I assume I will have to build a longer motor mount.O
nce I have the tail uncovered I will be looking for suggestions un how to i
mprove things. I am not buying the motor or prop with the plane because I
have a couple a65's already. I'll have more photos and more questions late
r Marc
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From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo!
Date: Jul 29, 2008
Marc;
I love "stray dogs" and I'd say you got one. I think strays turn out to be more
affectionate, better companions, better behaved, and have better health than
many pedigreed pooches- and the same goes for airplanes. It's the strays that
seem to fly more and give their owners more satisfaction without fussing over
little scratches and imperfections.
I wonder why your airplane would be any more tail-heavy than any other? It does
seem that the lower longerons are broken at the tailwheel mount, maybe the result
of the tail heaviness (ya think?)- but nothing back there seems to be very
odd or different. The fittings and everything else seem to be pretty standard,
the airplane looks to be square and mostly in rig. I would say that the
warped ailerons may be that way due to the covering job, but you should still
be able to straighten them out once you get the fabric off. No electrics, no
gadgets, seems like a simple airplane and everything is there, ready for restoration.
I like the prospects that this airplane shows, but it's going to take some cleaning
up and re-fitting. Who is it that says "the Pietenpol is slow, but the sky
is patient", or something like that? Same goes for the job that is ahead for
you...
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: Re: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo!
Date: Jul 29, 2008
From: hvandervoo(at)aol.com
Marc,
Congratulations on your new project.
You have some work ahead of you, to get it cleaned up and in good
working order.
Check everything carefully against the plans, each builder has their
own interpretation on how to build it.
Now the only question remains is; which Wednesday
Good luck.
Hans
-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Davis <marcs_listreading(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:54 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo!
I thought about moving the wing, and may do it. It would make it
harder for me to get in and out of the plane.
I did measure the Fuselage length and I have the short fuselage
(Improved 1933 plans, and 161 and 1/4").
I see that Chuck Gantzer (http://nx770cg.com/) moved the engine forward
when faced with the same problem.
I'm planning to email him to see ifhim plane has problems recovering
from a slip as BHP is reported to have suggested.
Maybe I should put a 3 blade constant speed prop on to help balance the
plane. (just joking).
I also noticed that the both elevators are warped, so I will have to
rebuildthose. Much of the hardware on the plane is of the hardware
store verity so that will have to be fixed. And the tail wiresare a
but odd so I'll have to look at those. Hmmm.. Should be flying
Wednesday.
Thanks
Marc
=0
D
From: zharvey(at)bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo!
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:58:23 -0500
Marc, moving the wing aft may be a better way to go rather than a
longer motor mount. Worked very well for me. I would suggest you take
a deep breath and don't do anything for a while. Once you have
itemized what you want to do I would put it out on this list for
discussion. So much knowledge here. No need to reinvent the wheel.
Just my thoughts
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Davis
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo!
Hello All
Well I've had the plans for some time and followed the list off and on
but, a piet came for sale on
craigslist and I had to jump.
Here are a few photos of it.
http://picasaweb.google.com/sandy.n.marc/Pietenpol
It has two problems (at least) The tail wheel was poorly installed and
I think the two lower longerons are broken.
The plane had a corvair at first and later had a a65 installed. With
the a65 it was VERY aft CG. The elevator was about50%deflected in
level flight and that way with 50 lbs of lead bolted to the engine
mount.
I don't know what the fuselage length is
but I will measure tonight. I
assume I will have to build a longer motor mount.
Once I have the tail uncovered I will be looking for suggestions un how
to improve things.
I am not buying the motor or prop with the plane because I have a
couple a65's already.
I'll have more photos and more questions later
Marc
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Date: Jul 29, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
I see in the plans that I got from the Piet. family that there are some specs.
to make a prop. hub, shaft, spud, washer, etc. to use with the Corvair engine.
Anyone make and use these items, or are there other, (better?) ways to do this?
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Date: Jul 29, 2008
Michael,
There are certainly alternatives. If you haven't done so yet, go to
www.flycorvair.com <http://www.flycorvair.com/> . William Wynn sells hubs,
but also provides drawings in his manual, for those who wish not to buy
them. If you are interested in the Corvair, you will certainly want to
peruse his web sight.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage
(11 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
I see in the plans that I got from the Piet. family that there are some
specs. to make a prop. hub, shaft, spud, washer, etc. to use with the
Corvair engine. Anyone make and use these items, or are there other,
(better?) ways to do this?
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Date: Jul 29, 2008
http://www.flycorvair.com/products.html
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
I see in the plans that I got from the Piet. family that there
are some specs. to make a prop. hub, shaft, spud, washer, etc. to use
with the Corvair engine. Anyone make and use these items, or are there
other, (better?) ways to do this?
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 29, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
I have been to that site, but haven't spent much time in it. I would like t
o make my own parts, just curious if there are any "as printed" users that
have an opinion on the print parts.
--- On Tue, 7/29/08, Gary Boothe wrote:
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 12:01 PM
Michael,
-
There are certainly alternatives. If you haven=92t done so yet, go to www.f
lycorvair.com. William Wynn sells hubs, but also provides drawings in his m
anual, for those who wish not to buy them. If you are interested in the Cor
vair, you will certainly want to peruse his web sight.
-
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage
(11 ribs down=85)
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
-
I see in the plans that I got from the Piet. family that there are some spe
cs. to make a prop. hub, shaft, spud, washer, etc. to use with the Corvair
engine. Anyone make and use these items, or are there other, (better?) ways
to do this? - -http://www.matronics.com/contribution -
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Date: Jul 29, 2008
Michael:
Definitely get the William Wynne manual for the conversion. It walks you
through the "modern" conversion steps. The original Corvair conversion
as per B H Pietenpol pretty much hangs the engine as is from the car
with no real modification and retains the original squirrel cage blower.
Taking that off is worth quite a few HP. Also the right cam gets you a
bit more. The WW manual has all the right steps and includes the drawing
for the prop hub if you wish to whittle your own. It also includes
directions and contacts for all the other bits and manuals you will
need.
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 11:43 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
I have been to that site, but haven't spent much time in it. I
would like to make my own parts, just curious if there are any "as
printed" users that have an opinion on the print parts.
--- On Tue, 7/29/08, Gary Boothe wrote:
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 12:01 PM
Michael,
There are certainly alternatives. If you haven=92t done so
yet, go to www.flycorvair.com. William Wynn sells hubs, but also
provides drawings in his manual, for those who wish not to buy them. If
you are interested in the Corvair, you will certainly want to peruse his
web sight.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage
(11 ribs down=85)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:43 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
I see in the plans that I got from the Piet. family that
there are some specs. to make a prop. hub, shaft, spud, washer, etc. to
use with the Corvair engine. Anyone make and use these items, or are
there other, (better?) ways to do this?
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: fuel drain locations
Date: Jul 29, 2008
Hi everybody.
I've built my centersection tank with a flat bottom to maximize the
capacity. I've placed two large sumps with drains on opposite corners, rear
left and front right with the bottom sloping slightly towards them.
I've been wondering however, if I should have installed another feed in the
front left corner. The condition I'm worried about is landing with low fuel
level and having to hold left wing down. In this condition it's possible
that fuel won't get to the other drains. It's' really not a problem adding
another drain and line.
I'm probably overthinking this. Watching Piets land all weekend, during
approach and landing the nose down attitude is really pretty level, and in
this case the rear left sump would catch plenty.
All thoughts are appreciated as I'm really rabid about fuel flow problems.
Thanks
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Marc Davis <marcs_listreading(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo!
Date: Jul 29, 2008
Well this piet fall in that category. I'll have to look everything over.
The wood work and welding looks good.
Some of the hardware look suspect so I'll replace it.
In looking at the photos on West Coast Piet web page=2C it seems like seve
ral of the a65 piet's are longer between the front cockpit and the firewall
. They also seems to have a longer motor mount. Mine are both quite short
.
I think this is the reason for the aft CG. More time with a tape measure a
nd some scales will tell.
I believe the longerons are broken because of the way the tail wheel is mou
nted.
The forward end of the spring is located at the last station. This puts th
e back spring mount
half way between the last station and the tailpost. That put a lot of bend
ing force on the longerons.
The aft CG didn't help either. I'll post some photos when I have the fabri
c off.
Marc
> From: taildrags(at)hotmail.com> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: P
ietenpol-List: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo!> Date: Tue=2C 29 Jul 2008 08:03
hotmail.com>> > > Marc=3B> > I love "stray dogs" and I'd say you got one. I
think strays turn out to be more affectionate=2C better companions=2C bett
er behaved=2C and have better health than many pedigreed pooches- and the s
ame goes for airplanes. It's the strays that seem to fly more and give thei
r owners more satisfaction without fussing over little scratches and imperf
ections.> > I wonder why your airplane would be any more tail-heavy than an
y other? It does seem that the lower longerons are broken at the tailwheel
mount=2C maybe the result of the tail heaviness (ya think?)- but nothing ba
ck there seems to be very odd or different. The fittings and everything els
e seem to be pretty standard=2C the airplane looks to be square and mostly
in rig. I would say that the warped ailerons may be that way due to the cov
ering job=2C but you should still be able to straighten them out once you g
et the fabric off. No electrics=2C no gadgets=2C seems like a simple airpla
ne and everything is there=2C ready for restoration.> > I like the prospect
s that this airplane shows=2C but it's going to take some cleaning up and r
e-fitting. Who is it that says "the Pietenpol is slow=2C but the sky is pat
ient"=2C or something like that? Same goes for the job that is ahead for yo
u...> > Oscar Zuniga> Air Camper NX41CC> San Antonio=2C TX> mailto: taildra
==> > >
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From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Date: Jul 30, 2008
Michael,
I made my prop hub to WW's manual. Works a treat but if you use a Warp Drive
prop you may want to make the drive pins shorter so the Warp Drive can sit
flush on the hub.
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
<http://www.cpc-world.com/> http://www.cpc-world.com
_____
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2008 2:44 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
I have been to that site, but haven't spent much time in it. I would like to
make my own parts, just curious if there are any "as printed" users that
have an opinion on the print parts.
--- On Tue, 7/29/08, Gary Boothe wrote:
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 12:01 PM
Michael,
There are certainly alternatives. If you haven't done so yet, go to
<http://www.flycorvair.com/> www.flycorvair.com. William Wynn sells hubs,
but also provides drawings in his manual, for those who wish not to buy
them. If you are interested in the Corvair, you will certainly want to
peruse his web sight.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage
(11 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
I see in the plans that I got from the Piet. family that there are some
specs. to make a prop. hub, shaft, spud, washer, etc. to use with the
Corvair engine. Anyone make and use these items, or are there other,
(better?) ways to do this?
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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Date: Jul 29, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Copy that, I'll look into it.
--- On Tue, 7/29/08, Michael Silvius wrote:
From: Michael Silvius <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 5:34 PM
Michael:
-
Definitely get the William Wynne manual for the conversion. It walks you th
rough the "modern" conversion steps. The original Corvair conversion as per
B H Pietenpol pretty much hangs the engine as is from the car with no real
modification and retains the original squirrel cage blower. Taking that of
f is worth-quite a few HP. Also the right cam gets you a bit more.-The
WW manual has all the right steps and includes the drawing for the prop hub
if you wish to-whittle your own. It also includes directions and contact
s for all the other bits and manuals you will need.
-
Michael
-
-
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 11:43 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
I have been to that site, but haven't spent much time in it. I would like t
o make my own parts, just curious if there are any "as printed" users that
have an opinion on the print parts.
--- On Tue, 7/29/08, Gary Boothe wrote:
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 12:01 PM
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There are certainly alternatives. If you haven=92t done so yet, go to www.f
lycorvair.com. William Wynn sells hubs, but also provides drawings in his m
anual, for those who wish not to buy them. If you are interested in the Cor
vair, you will certainly want to peruse his web sight.
-
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage
(11 ribs down=85)
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
-
I see in the plans that I got from the Piet. family that there are some spe
cs. to make a prop. hub, shaft, spud, washer, etc. to use with the Corvair
engine. Anyone make and use these items, or are there other, (better?) ways
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Subject: Brodhead Photos
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jul 29, 2008
For those who couldn't make it, I've posted a few shots I snapped at this year's
gathering at Brodhead. They can be viewed here:
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=331
Bill C.
P.S. If the link doesn't work, just go to www.mykitplane.com, then go to Photo gallery, then scroll down the page to my Albums and pick Brodhead 2008.
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From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: fuel drain locations
Date: Jul 29, 2008
If it is easy enough to add another drain line then the peace of mind will
be worth the effort.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel drain locations
>
>
> Hi everybody.
>
> I've built my centersection tank with a flat bottom to maximize the
> capacity. I've placed two large sumps with drains on opposite corners,
> rear
> left and front right with the bottom sloping slightly towards them.
>
> I've been wondering however, if I should have installed another feed in
> the
> front left corner. The condition I'm worried about is landing with low
> fuel
> level and having to hold left wing down. In this condition it's possible
> that fuel won't get to the other drains. It's' really not a problem
> adding
> another drain and line.
>
> I'm probably overthinking this. Watching Piets land all weekend, during
> approach and landing the nose down attitude is really pretty level, and in
> this case the rear left sump would catch plenty.
>
> All thoughts are appreciated as I'm really rabid about fuel flow problems.
>
> Thanks
>
> Douwe
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Date: Jul 29, 2008
Mike;
Doesn't look to me like anybody actually answered your question about the differences
between the two hubs (Pietenpol and Wynne) for the Corvair conversion,
so I'll throw in my two cents' worth and see if I can add anything.
I have the Pietenpol drawings and the hub sheets are dated November of 1972. The
material indicated for the hub is "aluminum casting". The design pioneered
the use of a "safety shaft" through the center of the hub into a threaded 3/4"
deep bore in the center of the crankshaft end (nose). The safety shaft is called
out to be a 5" long, 1" dia. 4130 or 4140 steel rod, or 1" dia. by .250"
wall 4130 steel tube, threaded 18 threads to the inch. The hub is mounted to
the crankshaft flange using standard Chevy 11/32" capscrews, 1" long. This requires
that the holes in the hub be bored very deep into it and that a long,
thinwall socket be used to tighten them. The flange itself has a standard bolt
pattern and is .438" thick at the prop flange. Overall length is given as 2.875".
I say all of this to contrast this hub to the Wynne hub, which is quite a bit beefier
but is obviously an adaptation and improvement on Mr. Pietenpol's hub.
It is 3.5" long with a 1.1" thick prop flange, and is machined from 2024 aluminum,
but William says it could be made from 6061. William's design uses a safety
shaft that is 6" long because the hub is a bit heavier, longer, and stouter-
and the safety shaft threads 1" into the crank nose rather than 3/4" as in
the Pietenpol. The threads are 14 threads per inch (coarser than the Pietenpol).
While the Pietenpol hub body is slightly tapered, the Wynne design is straight,
again making it beefier. William's preferred method of mounting to the
crank flange is through the use of what William calls "hybrid studs", which
are threaded with the Chevy 11/32" on one end and a more standard 3/8-24 thread
on the nut end that holds the hub to the crank flange.
Here's what William says about the Pietenpol hub in his manual, of which I have
three different editions dating back more than 10 years: "This method was pioneered
by Bernie [sic] Pietenpol in the early 1960s. Although I know of no failures
of Bernie's way of doing it, my method is a little different and uses
different materials, but the concept is the same." He also says, "The Pietenpol
method is brought up for technical reference only. If you are building an
exact replica of Bernie's engine, his son Don is the best source of information
on it. Years ago, a number of cast aluminum hubs were made to Bernie's drawings.
Some of these are still floating around for sale. These are light duty
units suited only to the modest flying done by Pietenpols.".
My take-away: make your hub using the Pietenpol or the Wynne drawings, but ALWAYS
use a safety shaft and ALWAYS use at least 6061 aluminum, NOT any cast material.
To my non-machinist's eye, the two hubs require about the same amount of
machine work to produce but the Wynne hub has no tapers to cut and is stronger
in some important areas, and is a little less than an inch or so longer.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe(at)calply.com>
Subject: Brodhead Photos
Date: Jul 29, 2008
Bill,
Thanks for the pictures for us Less Fortunates.
Question: Does anyone have a collection of the interesting fuselage art from
Piets?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage
(11 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Photos
For those who couldn't make it, I've posted a few shots I snapped at this
year's gathering at Brodhead. They can be viewed here:
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=331
Bill C.
P.S. If the link doesn't work, just go to www.mykitplane.com, then go to
Photo gallery, then scroll down the page to my Albums and pick Brodhead
2008.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195671#195671
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Subject: Re: Brodhead Photos
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 29, 2008
Hi Bill.
I'm the guy that changes engines quite often, Last year was a Lambert, now it is
on Frank Pavliga's good looking Piet My Super Ford B engine has the 76"X57"
Lambert prop, turning the same RPM, Maybe you saw the Blue Piet with a Riblett
612 fly. By the way Frank has flown the Lambert and said that it clears grass
in 150 feet, and flys hands off. I'm new around this neck of the woods, if you
have any questions give me a shout'Have never missed a Piet fly-in without a
Piet since the number one.
Lowell
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195692#195692
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Date: Jul 30, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Thanks Oscar, a very well written responce. IF I decide to do the Corvair,
I will have to get these mentioned books. I see they are quite pricy, but w
hat others are available?- Machining either hub won't be an issue, I just
wanted to get the best suited part that I could make that has already been
proven. (Rather then make up my own fron scratch.) Mine will more then lik
ely be 6061-T6 aluminum. Nothing has been decided...just gathering intel. a
nd you have been of great help.
--- On Tue, 7/29/08, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 10:39 PM
Mike;
Doesn't look to me like anybody actually answered your question about the
differences between the two hubs (Pietenpol and Wynne) for the Corvair
conversion, so I'll throw in my two cents' worth and see if I can add
anything.
I have the Pietenpol drawings and the hub sheets are dated November of 1972
.
The material indicated for the hub is "aluminum casting". The design
pioneered the use of a "safety shaft" through the center of the hub
into a threaded 3/4" deep bore in the center of the crankshaft end (nose).
The safety shaft is called out to be a 5" long, 1" dia. 4130 or 4140
steel rod, or 1" dia. by .250" wall 4130 steel tube, threaded 18
threads to the inch. The hub is mounted to the crankshaft flange using sta
ndard
Chevy 11/32" capscrews, 1" long. This requires that the holes in the
hub be bored very deep into it and that a long, thinwall socket be used to
tighten them. The flange itself has a standard bolt pattern and is .438"
thick at the prop flange. Overall length is given as 2.875".
I say all of this to contrast this hub to the Wynne hub, which is quite a b
it
beefier but is obviously an adaptation and improvement on Mr. Pietenpol's
hub. It is 3.5" long with a 1.1" thick prop flange, and is machined
from 2024 aluminum, but William says it could be made from 6061. William's
design uses a safety shaft that is 6" long because the hub is a bit
heavier, longer, and stouter- and the safety shaft threads 1" into the
crank nose rather than 3/4" as in the Pietenpol. The threads are 14
threads per inch (coarser than the Pietenpol). While the Pietenpol hub bod
y is
slightly tapered, the Wynne design is straight, again making it beefier.
William's preferred method of mounting to the crank flange is through the
use of what William calls "hybrid studs", which are threaded with the
Chevy 11/32" on one end and a more standard 3/8-24 thread on the nut end
that holds the hub to the crank flange.
Here's what William says about the Pietenpol hub in his manual, of which I
have three different editions dating back more than 10 years: "This method
was pioneered by Bernie [sic] Pietenpol in the early 1960s. Although I kno
w of
no failures of Bernie's way of doing it, my method is a little different an
d
uses different materials, but the concept is the same." He also says,
"The Pietenpol method is brought up for technical reference only. If you
are building an exact replica of Bernie's engine, his son Don is the best
source of information on it. Years ago, a number of cast aluminum hubs wer
e
made to Bernie's drawings. Some of these are still floating around for
sale. These are light duty units suited only to the modest flying done by
Pietenpols.".
My take-away: make your hub using the Pietenpol or the Wynne drawings, but
ALWAYS use a safety shaft and ALWAYS use at least 6061 aluminum, NOT any ca
st
material. To my non-machinist's eye, the two hubs require about the same
amount of machine work to produce but the Wynne hub has no tapers to cut an
d is
stronger in some important areas, and is a little less than an inch or so
longer.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Date: Jul 30, 2008
Mike,
No, William Wynne is basically the only person out there doing
Corvair work & although it is a chronic problem getting in touch with
him & getting him to ship parts, his work - both intellectual, and
the parts he makes - are top-notch.
In a broader sense, I feel a need to warn you against the "that's too
pricey" attitude. First, you will be spreading your work out over a
number of years in most cases, so there will only be a few times when
you will be putting out large amounts for big-ticket items - the rest
is spread out over time.
Secondly, I've found that paying for knowledge is the best value -
you will avoid costly mistakes - so suck it up & buy the best
information available if you indeed have to pay for it. In addition
to Wynne's manual, you should also buy the Tony Bingelis books from
EAA if you have not already done so.
Finally, in terms of keeping costs down - learn to scrounge! There
are good sources of lumber & plywood out there that are considerably
cheaper than the aircraft suppliers & just as good for our purposes.
Also, don't be afraid to let other builders, airport owners & pilots
know what you are doing & don't be shy about mentioning things you
need. Many of these folks are good leads to used parts & many are
generous to a fault. I've been blessed with a complete Corvair
engine, machine work on the Corvair, a set of Cleveland wheels, and
a left-hand prop blank, just to mention a few things, simply because
people who love flying knew what I was doing and gave these things to
me.
In a sense, you CAN build a Piet all by your lonesome, but it becomes
much more affordable if you intentionally make it a 'community'
project. At the rate I'm going, my payback to most of these folks
will probably be giving their grandchildren rides at some date far in
the future!
Kip Gardner
On Jul 30, 2008, at 7:55 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
> Thanks Oscar, a very well written responce. IF I decide to do the
> Corvair, I will have to get these mentioned books. I see they are
> quite pricy, but what others are available? Machining either hub
> won't be an issue, I just wanted to get the best suited part that I
> could make that has already been proven. (Rather then make up my
> own fron scratch.) Mine will more then likely be 6061-T6 aluminum.
> Nothing has been decided...just gathering intel. and you have been
> of great help.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: Re: Brodhead Photos
Date: Jul 30, 2008
Hi Lowell,
Thanks for the clarification regarding the new engine on your Piet. I have
corrected the description that goes with the photo. As I understand it, the
Ford B was an improved 1932 version of the Model A engine, producing about
25% more horsepower, among other improvements. Did I get that right? I did
see your Piet fly, and it seemed to be zipping through the sky. I guess that
would be partly attributed to the powerplant/propellor and partly to the
airfoil. I had heard that Frank had installed last year's Lambert on his
Piet, and was really impressed when I saw a photo of it a few weeks ago. I
had hoped he would be able to bring it to Brodhead this year.
I would have to guess that you must be the only person on earth that could
claim to have attended all 33 Brodhead fly-ins with a Pietenpol. What an
accomplishment.
Bill C.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2008
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Brodhead Photos
Great pics;thanks very much!Wish I could have been there.=0A=0A=0A=0A-----
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ect: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Photos=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted
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e it, I've posted a few shots I snapped at this year's gathering at Brodhea
d. They can be viewed here:=0A=0Ahttp://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGall
eryList2.cfm?AlbumID=331=0A=0ABill C.=0A=0AP.S.- If the link doesn't wo
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wn the page to my Albums and pick Brodhead 2008.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this to
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Subject: Waldo Pepper - One More Time
Date: Jul 30, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
The Great Waldo Pepper is available through Amazon. New or Used. No
need to risk copyright infingement.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Verthein
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:28 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Waldo Pepper - One More Time
I haven't seen this movie since it was new in the theatre probably 30
years ago. My quest to find a copy turned up nothing locally.
Then, it turns out my Mom had it on VHS. She actually wrote an article
about it 25 years or so ago. Since my folks don't even HAVE a VHS
player anymore, she gave it to me.
I have dubbed it to DVD. If there is anyone on the list who hasn't seen
the movie who would like to I sell send a DVD to anyone who wants one
for no charge at all. Just don't expect any fancy packaging.
And yes, to those of you with scruples who worry about such things I'm
sure this is some horrid copyright violation. but since it's not
available for purchase new, used copies are hard to come by (and often
expensive) and I really doubt anyone at the studio, or any of the
performers gets much for it when a used copy changes hands at some
insane collector price anyway, and heck, I'm offering them FREE, I'm not
gonna worry about it. If Mr. Redford would like to call me and ask for
his share, more power to him.
So, that's the offer. Probably best to e-mail me of list if you'd like
one:
minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com
Tim in Bovey
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From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Date: Jul 30, 2008
Oscar:
For what it is worth I have an original Pietenpol designed hub with the
deep bolt holes. I paid 25$ for it on eBay with a 4809 crank that I am told
was drilled by Bernard himself. I am no expert but it looks to be turned
from a billet and not cast. I have no proof that is so. Perhaps someone
knows how to check for this. I am not thrilled about the deep bolt holes as
this only leaves les than 5/8ths meat for the original longest Corvair bolts
to hold on, and no way to safety wire the bolts once torqued to speck. I am
aware that a great deal if not all of the holding power comes from the
safety shaft in this design thus the bolts are effectively only under shear
and used for drive purposes. I contemplated making a larger diameter hole
only 3/4 of an inch deep or so, effectively creating a shoulder that would
allow the use of longer bolts with a washer but there really is not enough
meat left and the resulting shoulder would be no more than 1/8th in width.
I am told the original hub as designed by BH Pietenpol is available
undrilled from Vi so it is possible to drill and use WW's hybrid studs
without the deep bolt holes.
Michael in Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>
>
> Mike;
>
> Doesn't look to me like anybody actually answered your question about the
differences between the two hubs (Pietenpol and Wynne) for the Corvair
conversion, so I'll throw in my two cents' worth and see if I can add
anything.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Date: Jul 30, 2008
I've got to agree with Kip regarding the "that's too pricey" attitude. Some
complain that the Pietenpol plans are expensive. They say "Why should I
spend $150 for a set of 75 year-old plans? It doesn't cost that much to
print". Some think William Wynne's conversion manual is expensive at $59
(including shipping). Yet many of those same people faithfully shell out $40
(or more) every month for cable TV or cell phones (that's every month, which
adds up to about $500 per year). A few tanks of gas in your average vehicle
will get you the price of a set of plans. Two hours at the movie theatre
with a companion is going to set you back half the price of a manual. Add
popcorn and drinks and you can get the whole manual. In the overall picture
a couple of hundred dollars is probably less than 2% of the total cost of
the entire plane. In my mind, this isn't the place to look for savings. If
you are just curious about what the plans look like, or what exactly is
contained in William's manual then, yes they do seem a bit expensive. But if
you are seriously considering building either, the price is quite
reasonable. Just try building either without the plans and see how far you
get. One has to remember that when you buy plans or a manual, you're not
just paying for the paper it's printed on - you're paying the author for
sharing his/her expertise and knowledge that they developed over years of
hard work.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for saving a buck wherever it makes sense. I'm a
bit of a scrounger, and so far I have very little money invested in my
project (lots of time, though), and I will always be on the lookout for safe
ways to keep costs down, but when it comes to buying plans or manuals, I
prefer to make sure that the money goes to the ones that deserve it. That's
why I bought my plans directly from the Pietenpol family, and I bought a
conversion manual directly from William Wynne. I still have not committed to
going the Corvair route, and will need to decide soon, but I do not regret
buying the manual, even if I decide to use another powerplant.
Bill C.
(stepping down off the soapbox, now)
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Riblett install
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2008
Hi Curious:
Couldn't help noticing your concern, I have been in touch with H Riblett since
the very early 90s and I sent him the Piet wing specs, he then gave me a complete
overview of, Piet, 4412(Luscomb) and two recommended Riblett designs, GA 30-
U- 612, plus a thicker design, My second Piet had a 4412, clipped 2 ft. A great
performer. When I installed a Werner 145 on my Blue Piet it would only go
105 MPH @ 80% throttle, I go much faster with the Werner in another airplane,
so I decided to go a head and build the 612,( not to be confused with the 612
in Riblett's book ) I clipped the wing two feet, made a 3 piece, 6" hi spars,
added the spacer on the spar to rib, and built it the same as the Pitt. It is
close to 5/8" higher and has a 3/8 undercamber.
With testing the comparison of the Piet to the Riblett wings, using the Lambert
90HP engine, there is a very big difference. Even with the shorter wing, you
wont believe the glide ratio, 42MPH stall, 600 FPM climb, and flat out speed 108
MPH. The Piet wing has an air separation on the under side at the rear 20%
of the wing, as per Riblitts computer read-out.
By the way the wing will pull close to 2.5 Gs at 120 MPH at the bottom of a loop.
Got a lot of answers, if you need an opinion.
Pieti Lowell
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Date: Jul 30, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Wow, LOT's of assumptions there!- As I could go into the whole "You don't
know me" speech and turn this thread into a useless waste of time and effo
rt, I won't. My quest is to learn what I can before making any final decisi
ons. I have been involved with this whole world of plane building for a who
pping 2 weeks! Not only am I gathering info. on things that are useful, I a
m gathering knowledge of the personalities on this board. It's all good. Se
ems like I hit a nerve with the pricey book comment, maybe it is worth it,
maybe not. That is why I am here...to find out what is what. How am I to kn
ow that this is the ONLY good book on this type of subject? How am I to kno
w there isn't others with the same info for 1/2 the price? Two weeks into t
he project and all I want is info.- This seems to be a good place to get
it...attitudes aside. I appreciate the responses, it's all good info.
--- On Wed, 7/30/08, Bill Church wrote:
From: Bill Church <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 9:47 AM
I've got to agree with Kip regarding the "that's too pricey" attitude.-So
me complain that the Pietenpol plans are expensive. They say "Why should I
spend $150 for a set of 75 year-old plans? It doesn't cost that much to pri
nt". Some think William Wynne's conversion manual is expensive at $59 (incl
uding shipping). Yet many of those same people faithfully shell out $40 (or
more)-every month for cable TV or cell phones (that's every month, which
adds up to about $500 per year). A few tanks of gas in-your average vehi
cle-will get you the price of a set of plans. Two hours at the movie thea
tre with a companion is going to set you back-half the price of a manual.
Add popcorn and drinks and you can get the whole manual. In the overall pi
cture a couple of hundred dollars is probably less-than 2% of the total c
ost of the entire plane.-In my mind, this isn't the place to look for sav
ings. If you are just curious about what the plans look like, or what
exactly is contained in William's manual then, yes they do seem a bit expe
nsive. But if you are seriously considering building either, the price is q
uite reasonable. Just try building either without the plans and see how far
you get. One has to remember that when you buy plans or a manual, you're n
ot just paying for the paper it's printed on - you're paying the author for
sharing his/her expertise and knowledge that they developed over years of
hard work.
-
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for saving a buck wherever it makes sense. I'm
a bit of a scrounger, and so far I have very little money invested in my pr
oject (lots of time, though), and I will always be on the lookout for safe
ways to keep costs down, but when it comes to buying plans or manuals, I pr
efer to make sure that the money goes to the ones that deserve it. That's w
hy I bought my plans directly from the Pietenpol family, and I bought a con
version manual directly-from William Wynne. I still have not committed to
going the Corvair route, and will need to decide soon, but I do not regret
buying the manual, even if I decide to use another powerplant.
-
Bill C.
(stepping down off the soapbox, now)
-
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Yeah. Still think it's pricey.
--- On Wed, 7/30/08, Kip and Beth Gardner wrote:
From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 8:26 AM
Mike,
No, William Wynne is basically the only person out there doing Corvair work
& although it is a chronic problem getting in touch with him & getting him
to ship parts, his work - both intellectual, and the parts he makes - are
top-notch. -
In a broader sense, I feel a need to warn you against the "that's too price
y" attitude. -First, you will be spreading your work out over a number of
years in most cases, so there will only be a few times when you will be pu
tting out large amounts for big-ticket items - the rest is spread out over
time. -
Secondly, I've found that paying for knowledge is the best value - you will
avoid costly mistakes - so suck it up & buy the best information available
if you indeed have to pay for it. In addition to Wynne's manual, -you sh
ould also buy the Tony Bingelis books from EAA if you have not already done
so. -
Finally, in terms of keeping costs down - learn to scrounge! -There are g
ood sources of lumber & plywood out there that are considerably cheaper tha
n the aircraft suppliers & just as good for our purposes. -Also, don't be
afraid to let other builders, airport owners & pilots know what you are do
ing & don't be shy about mentioning things you need. -Many of these folks
are good leads to used parts & many are generous to a fault. -I've been
blessed with a complete Corvair engine, machine work on the Corvair, -a s
et of Cleveland wheels, and a left-hand prop blank, just to mention a few t
hings, simply because people who love flying knew what I was doing and gave
these things to me. -
In a sense, you CAN build a Piet all by your lonesome, but it becomes much
more affordable if you intentionally make it a 'community' project. -At t
he rate I'm going, my payback to most of these folks will probably be givin
g their grandchildren rides at some date far in the future!
Kip Gardner
On Jul 30, 2008, at 7:55 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
Thanks Oscar, a very well written responce. IF I decide to do the Corvair,
I will have to get these mentioned books. I see they are quite pricy, but w
hat others are available?- Machining either hub won't be an issue, I just
wanted to get the best suited part that I could make that has already been
proven. (Rather then make up my own fron scratch.) Mine will more then lik
ely be 6061-T6 aluminum. Nothing has been decided...just gathering intel. a
nd you have been of great help.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2008
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Date: Jul 30, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
I have heard good things about that series of books. Those are actually on
my "to purchase" list. You hit the nail on the head...I am looking at all o
ptions and trying to get a game plan in place. No need to buy books not rel
ated to my engine. As I said multiple times, just gathering intel. for pros
pects. It will be some time before I am ready to commit on an engine, but f
or now, I will continue to learn what I can. Thanks for the reply!
--- On Wed, 7/30/08, John Recine wrote:
From: John Recine <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 10:48 AM
Michael
For what its worth I have building for 1 year and 5 months. Over that perio
d I considered most all the engine choices several times and many not on th
e list.
I finally made the decision about a month ago and went with the Lycoming 02
35 for many reasons
Point being you should consider all engine options while you build and deci
de when you get close to defining and constructing your mount. Till then no
need to purchase engine specific books or materials.
You will do well to purchase the Tony bengelis series for solid advice on a
ll the aspects of the build including considerations of engine selection
If you're serious about getting good solid info buy the Bengelis books from
the EAA you will not be disapointed
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:26:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Wow, LOT's of assumptions there!=C2- As I could go into the whole "You do
n't know me" speech and turn this thread into a useless waste of time and e
ffort, I won't. My quest is to learn what I can before making any final dec
isions. I have been involved with this whole world of plane building for a
whopping 2 weeks! Not only am I gathering info. on things that are useful,
I am gathering knowledge of the personalities on this board. It's all good.
Seems like I hit a nerve with the pricey book comment, maybe it is worth i
t, maybe not. That is why I am here...to find out what is what. How am I to
know that this is the ONLY good book on this type of subject? How am I to
know there isn't others with the same info for 1/2 the price? Two weeks int
o the project and all I want is info.=C2- This seems to be a good place t
o get it...attitudes aside. I appreciate the responses, it's all good info.
--- On Wed, 7/30/08, Bill Church wrote:
From: Bill Church <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 9:47 AM
I've got to agree with Kip regarding the "that's too pricey" attitude.=C2
-Some complain that the Pietenpol plans are expensive. They say "Why shou
ld I spend $150 for a set of 75 year-old plans? It doesn't cost that much t
o print". Some think William Wynne's conversion manual is expensive at $59
(including shipping). Yet many of those same people faithfully shell out $4
0 (or more)=C2-every month for cable TV or cell phones (that's every mont
h, which adds up to about $500 per year). A few tanks of gas in=C2-your a
verage vehicle=C2-will get you the price of a set of plans. Two hours at
the movie theatre with a companion is going to set you back=C2-half the p
rice of a manual. Add popcorn and drinks and you can get the whole manual.
In the overall picture a couple of hundred dollars is probably less=C2-th
an 2% of the total cost of the entire plane.=C2-In my mind, this isn't th
e place to look for savings. If you are just curious about what the plans l
ook like, or what
exactly is contained in William's manual then, yes they do seem a bit expe
nsive. But if you are seriously considering building either, the price is q
uite reasonable. Just try building either without the plans and see how far
you get. One has to remember that when you buy plans or a manual, you're n
ot just paying for the paper it's printed on - you're paying the author for
sharing his/her expertise and knowledge that they developed over years of
hard work.
=C2-
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for saving a buck wherever it makes sense. I'm
a bit of a scrounger, and so far I have very little money invested in my pr
oject (lots of time, though), and I will always be on the lookout for safe
ways to keep costs down, but when it comes to buying plans or manuals, I pr
efer to make sure that the money goes to the ones that deserve it. That's w
hy I bought my plans directly from the Pietenpol family, and I bought a con
version manual directly=C2-from William Wynne. I still have not committed
to going the Corvair route, and will need to decide soon, but I do not reg
ret buying the manual, even if I decide to use another powerplant.
=C2-
Bill C.
(stepping down off the soapbox, now)
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Subject: Re: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2008
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Date: Jul 30, 2008
Hey Mike,
Please let me clarify my post.
My comments were not directed at you, personally. I would not do that on a
public forum like this. They were simply a general comment on statements
that I have seen posted here on the list from time to time. I hope that my
comments have not offended you. That was not my intent. As I said, they were
not directed at any one individual.
You are right in saying that "You don't know me". I don't. And vice-versa.
But as far as my comments go, that point is irrelevant, since my comments
were not directed at you. However, from the posts you have made so far, it
sounds like you have a good knowledge of machining, and have access to
equipment that will be of assistance to you as you progress with your
project. You are asking lots of questions. That is a smart move. Some dive
into a project without gathering the necessary information to make an
informed decision. There is a lot of experience held by many members of this
list, and most are willing and eager to share what works and what doesn't
work. This is a friendly bunch of people. If you ask a question you will
usually get an answer. I've been at this project for about five years since
I started thinking that maybe I could actually build and fly one of these
wonderful old planes. I'm still gathering information and making decisions
(and changing my mind) as I build, and I might even keep doing that after
it's finished. I don't claim to have all the answers, but if I've got
something to share that I think is valuable, I'll do it. That was the point
of my post. Period.
I get the feeling from your comments that we might have gotten off on the
wrong foot. I hope not.
Keep asking questions and gathering info. If you would prefer not to hear my
comments, just say so, and I'll keep my mouth (or maybe that should be
keyboard) shut.
Bill C.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Not an issue at all Bill. Please continue to chime in with any info.comment
s you may have. I do not know it all, and am always willing to listen to wh
at others have to offer...may not agree with it, but will listen.
--- On Wed, 7/30/08, Bill Church wrote:
From: Bill Church <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 12:11 PM
Hey Mike,
Please let me clarify my post.
My comments were not directed at you, personally. I would not do that on a
public forum like this. They were simply a general comment on statements th
at I have seen posted here on the list from time to time. I hope that my-
comments have not offended you. That was not my intent. As I said, they we
re not directed at any one individual.
You are right in saying that "You don't know me". I don't. And vice-versa.
- But as far as my comments go, that point is irrelevant, since my commen
ts were not directed at you. However, from the posts you have made so far,
it sounds like you have a good knowledge of machining, and have access to e
quipment that will be of assistance to you as you progress with your projec
t. You are asking lots of questions. That is a smart move. Some dive into a
project without gathering the necessary information to make an informed de
cision. There is a lot of experience held by many members of this list, and
most are willing and eager to share what works and what doesn't work. This
is a friendly bunch of people. If you ask a question you will usually get
an answer. I've been at this project for about five years since I started t
hinking that maybe I could actually build and fly one of these wonderful ol
d planes. I'm still gathering information and making decisions (and
changing my mind) as I build, and I might even keep doing that after it's
finished. I don't claim to have all the answers, but if I've got something
to share that I think is valuable, I'll do it. That was the point of my pos
t. Period.
I get the feeling from your comments that we might have gotten off on the w
rong foot. I hope not.
Keep asking questions and gathering info. If you would prefer not to hear m
y comments, just say so, and I'll keep my mouth (or maybe that should be ke
yboard) shut.
Bill C.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
This is the type of info I am after. As I said, it will be some time before
I need to have an engine, but if I can get some issues cleared up prior to
that, I would like to do so. I have heard and was under the impression tha
t the Corvair engine can be readily found, relativly cheap, and converted
=C2- for aircraft use. I assumed, which I should not, that I could do mos
t, if not all of the "conversion work" myself, again saving money. However,
if in the long run it will cost almost as much as a new engine, then I wou
ld like to find out more. I imagine that these Lycoming engines are on thei
r website so I can get more info. on them?
--- On Wed, 7/30/08, John Recine wrote:
From: John Recine <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 12:05 PM
You're welcome. Actually it was Tony that pointed me more towards the lycom
ing.
The idea of spending 5K plus on a subaru or a corvair and still have an aut
o engine as opposed to spending a similar amount and getting a solid AC cer
tified engine. I decided on the lycoming
I am not knocking the others, they do have a certain attraction but I was a
ble to find a lycoming that put me in the same price range
just relating my experience in the great engine quest
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:15:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
I have heard good things about that series of books. Those are actually on
my "to purchase" list. You hit the nail on the head...I am looking at all o
ptions and trying to get a game plan in place. No need to buy books not rel
ated to my engine. As I said multiple times, just gathering intel. for pros
pects. It will be some time before I am ready to commit on an engine, but f
or now, I will continue to learn what I can. Thanks for the reply!
--- On Wed, 7/30/08, John Recine wrote:
From: John Recine <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 10:48 AM
Michael
For what its worth I have building for 1 year and 5 months. Over that perio
d I considered most all the engine choices several times and many not on th
e list.
I finally made the decision about a month ago and went with the Lycoming 02
35 for many reasons
Point being you should consider all engine options while you build and deci
de when you get close to defining and constructing your mount. Till then no
need to purchase engine specific books or materials.
You will do well to purchase the Tony bengelis series for solid advice on a
ll the aspects of the build including considerations of engine selection
If you're serious about getting good solid info buy the Bengelis books from
the EAA you will not be disapointed
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:26:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Wow, LOT's of assumptions there!=C2- As I could go into the whole "You do
n't know me" speech and turn this thread into a useless waste of time and e
ffort, I won't. My quest is to learn what I can before making any final dec
isions. I have been involved with this whole world of plane building for a
whopping 2 weeks! Not only am I gathering info. on things that are useful,
I am gathering knowledge of the personalities on this board. It's all good.
Seems like I hit a nerve with the pricey book comment, maybe it is worth i
t, maybe not. That is why I am here...to find out what is what. How am I to
know that this is the ONLY good book on this type of subject? How am I to
know there isn't others with the same info for 1/2 the price? Two weeks int
o the project and all I want is info.=C2- This seems to be a good place t
o get it...attitudes aside. I appreciate the responses, it's all good info.
--- On Wed, 7/30/08, Bill Church wrote:
From: Bill Church <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 9:47 AM
I've got to agree with Kip regarding the "that's too pricey" attitude.=C2
-Some complain that the Pietenpol plans are expensive. They say "Why shou
ld I spend $150 for a set of 75 year-old plans? It doesn't cost that much t
o print". Some think William Wynne's conversion manual is expensive at $59
(including shipping). Yet many of those same people faithfully shell out $4
0 (or more)=C2-every month for cable TV or cell phones (that's every mont
h, which adds up to about $500 per year). A few tanks of gas in=C2-your a
verage vehicle=C2-will get you the price of a set of plans. Two hours at
the movie theatre with a companion is going to set you back=C2-half the p
rice of a manual. Add popcorn and drinks and you can get the whole manual.
In the overall picture a couple of hundred dollars is probably less=C2-th
an 2% of the total cost of the entire plane.=C2-In my mind, this isn't th
e place to look for savings. If you are just curious about what the plans l
ook like, or what
exactly is contained in William's manual then, yes they do seem a bit expe
nsive. But if you are seriously considering building either, the price is q
uite reasonable. Just try building either without the plans and see how far
you get. One has to remember that when you buy plans or a manual, you're n
ot just paying for the paper it's printed on - you're paying the author for
sharing his/her expertise and knowledge that they developed over years of
hard work.
=C2-
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for saving a buck wherever it makes sense. I'm
a bit of a scrounger, and so far I have very little money invested in my pr
oject (lots of time, though), and I will always be on the lookout for safe
ways to keep costs down, but when it comes to buying plans or manuals, I pr
efer to make sure that the money goes to the ones that deserve it. That's w
hy I bought my plans directly from the Pietenpol family, and I bought a con
version manual directly=C2-from William Wynne. I still have not committed
to going the Corvair route, and will need to decide soon, but I do not reg
ret buying the manual, even if I decide to use another powerplant.
=C2-
Bill C.
(stepping down off the soapbox, now)
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Date: Jul 30, 2008
Michael:
Something to chew on for a while and quite educating.
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/flexplate/problem.html
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/flights/crank2/
Offered not as a discouragement but this should give you an idea of the
kind of teritory you are geting in to.
Michael in Maine
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jul 30, 2008
Mike,
These comments are intended to be "attitude-free", and based on my limited experience.
Take them or leave them.
There are very few NEW aircraft engines available today that are suitable for the
Pietenpol. There is NO NEW aircraft engine suitable for use in the Pietenpol
available for $5,000. A NEW aircraft engine for the Piet will likely run you
$20,000 Plus.
Most builders end up using engines that were actually manufactured about fifty
years ago. These old engines get rebuilt, or overhauled, and are typically good
for up to 2000 hours of service before needing another rebuild. Typically these
are Continental A-65 up to O-200. The bigger the engine, the heavier it is.
You can look for engines on Barnstormers.com and you will likely find a fairly
wide range of prices and states of (dis)repair. A mid-timed engine can be had
relatively cheaply, and provide lots of good service, but unless you know the
engine (and possibly it's previous owner) you can never be sure what you are
getting. For this reason, many builders will pick up a run-out engine for a
thousand bucks or so, and have it overhauled. This will typically end up totalling
$8,000-$10,000 (your actual milage may vary). If you choose to use an engine
like the Lycoming O-235, keep in mind that it is actually oversized for this
application, plus you will have to design your own motormount. The Pietenpol
plans include drawings for proven motormounts for the Ford Model A, Corvair,
and small Continentals. If your plane is built lightly, the Continental A-65
is said to be a perfect engine for the plane. If you build heavy, it will suffer,
performance-wise.
Regarding Corvair conversions, in general, what I have heard is that if you assemble
a Corvair engine, using parts purchased from FlyCorvair, your costs will
total about $5,000. If you wish to buy a fully assembled, zero-timed Corvair
conversion built to William Wynne's method, and using his parts the price will
be about $8,000 (available from VairForce.com) . For about that price you should
also be able to buy a zero-timed Continental. The more work you can do yourself,
the cheaper you will be able to build an engine. The more work you have
to sub out, the more expensive it will be. If you are capable, like Piet builder
PF Beck, you can build your own Corvair conversion for less than $3,000.
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195789#195789
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2008
From: "Ken Chambers" <ken.riffic(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Riblett install
Great to hear from you. Seems like a lot of curiosity about this airfoil on
the list. I'm about to start building again after a long layoff and I'm
trying to choose between airfoils.
So here goes: How about the CG range? Does the 612 need the CG forward quite
a bit compared to the original Piet airfoil? If so, is it so much that it
makes light engines like the Continental A-65 more complicated? By
complicated, I mean that the motor mount gets too long or the wings have to
be moved way back.
Are you using the 3/4 inch solid spar?
Increased pitch sensitivity was mentioned at one point. Any thoughts on
that?
Thanks again.
Ken
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Pieti Lowell wrote:
> Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Curious:
> Couldn't help noticing your concern, I have been in touch with H Riblett
> since the very early 90s and I sent him the Piet wing specs, he then gave me
> a complete overview of, Piet, 4412(Luscomb) and two recommended Riblett
> designs, GA 30- U- 612, plus a thicker design, My second Piet had a 4412,
> clipped 2 ft. A great performer. When I installed a Werner 145 on my Blue
> Piet it would only go 105 MPH @ 80% throttle, I go much faster with the
> Werner in another airplane, so I decided to go a head and build the 612,(
> not to be confused with the 612 in Riblett's book ) I clipped the wing two
> feet, made a 3 piece, 6" hi spars, added the spacer on the spar to rib, and
> built it the same as the Pitt. It is close to 5/8" higher and has a 3/8
> undercamber.
> With testing the comparison of the Piet to the Riblett wings, using the
> Lambert 90HP engine, there is a very big difference. Even with the shorter
> wing, you wont believe the glide ratio, 42MPH stall, 600 FPM climb, and flat
> out speed 108 MPH. The Piet wing has an air separation on the under side at
> the rear 20% of the wing, as per Riblitts computer read-out.
> By the way the wing will pull close to 2.5 Gs at 120 MPH at the bottom of a
> loop.
> Got a lot of answers, if you need an opinion.
> Pieti Lowell
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195735#195735
>
>
--
Ken Chambers
512-796-1798
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Waldo Pepper - One More Time
Date: Jul 30, 2008
Jack, are you going to let us know how your trip went and what I missed out
on???
Gene in Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:44 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Waldo Pepper - One More Time
>
>
> The Great Waldo Pepper is available through Amazon. New or Used. No
> need to risk copyright infingement.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
> Verthein
> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:28 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Waldo Pepper - One More Time
>
>
>
> I haven't seen this movie since it was new in the theatre probably 30
> years ago. My quest to find a copy turned up nothing locally.
>
> Then, it turns out my Mom had it on VHS. She actually wrote an article
> about it 25 years or so ago. Since my folks don't even HAVE a VHS
> player anymore, she gave it to me.
>
> I have dubbed it to DVD. If there is anyone on the list who hasn't seen
> the movie who would like to I sell send a DVD to anyone who wants one
> for no charge at all. Just don't expect any fancy packaging.
>
> And yes, to those of you with scruples who worry about such things I'm
> sure this is some horrid copyright violation. but since it's not
> available for purchase new, used copies are hard to come by (and often
> expensive) and I really doubt anyone at the studio, or any of the
> performers gets much for it when a used copy changes hands at some
> insane collector price anyway, and heck, I'm offering them FREE, I'm not
> gonna worry about it. If Mr. Redford would like to call me and ask for
> his share, more power to him.
>
> So, that's the offer. Probably best to e-mail me of list if you'd like
> one:
>
> minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com
>
> Tim in Bovey
>
>
> _________________________________________________
>
> or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please
> notify the sender
>
> Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands -
> Norsk - Portuguese
>
>
> --
> Checked by AVG.
> 4:05 PM
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
From: "John Recine" <AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2008
Not too certain the 0235 remark the hp ranges from 108 hp up
The corvair developes 100 to 125 hp as I have seen published by others
How is 108 hp over powering?
Would someone explain that one to me I am not too certain about the math! Yet always
willing to learn the errors of my ways
You should more than likely explain the part about Corvair engines and parts still
being manfactured and the overwhealming supply of new parts available at the
local autzone parts store.
John
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:38:25
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Mike,
These comments are intended to be "attitude-free", and based on my limited experience.
Take them or leave them.
There are very few NEW aircraft engines available today that are suitable for the
Pietenpol. There is NO NEW aircraft engine suitable for use in the Pietenpol
available for $5,000. A NEW aircraft engine for the Piet will likely run you
$20,000 Plus.
Most builders end up using engines that were actually manufactured about fifty
years ago. These old engines get rebuilt, or overhauled, and are typically good
for up to 2000 hours of service before needing another rebuild. Typically these
are Continental A-65 up to O-200. The bigger the engine, the heavier it is.
You can look for engines on Barnstormers.com and you will likely find a fairly
wide range of prices and states of (dis)repair. A mid-timed engine can be had
relatively cheaply, and provide lots of good service, but unless you know the
engine (and possibly it's previous owner) you can never be sure what you are
getting. For this reason, many builders will pick up a run-out engine for a
thousand bucks or so, and have it overhauled. This will typically end up totalling
$8,000-$10,000 (your actual milage may vary). If you choose to use an engine
like the Lycoming O-235, keep in mind that it is actually oversized for this
application, plus you will have to design your o!
wn motormount. The Pietenpol plans include drawings for proven motormounts for
the Ford Model A, Corvair, and small Continentals. If your plane is built lightly,
the Continental A-65 is said to be a perfect engine for the plane. If you
build heavy, it will suffer, performance-wise.
Regarding Corvair conversions, in general, what I have heard is that if you assemble
a Corvair engine, using parts purchased from FlyCorvair, your costs will
total about $5,000. If you wish to buy a fully assembled, zero-timed Corvair
conversion built to William Wynne's method, and using his parts the price will
be about $8,000 (available from VairForce.com) . For about that price you should
also be able to buy a zero-timed Continental. The more work you can do yourself,
the cheaper you will be able to build an engine. The more work you have
to sub out, the more expensive it will be. If you are capable, like Piet builder
PF Beck, you can build your own Corvair conversion for less than $3,000.
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195789#195789
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2008
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Tail assembly
Members of the list:
-
I am ready to mount my tail section and need some advice. Can anyone advise
what type-or -kind of turnbuckles they are using for the cable connect
ion on the tail section? I have been searching Aircraft Spruce for adjustab
le turnbuckles but find the price on the high side. Don't get me wrong...."
no ten dollar head you get a ten dollar helmet".... guy here. Just wonderin
g the best way to connect the cables with adjustment. What are most of you
all using?
-
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
-
=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Tail assembly
Date: Jul 30, 2008
Ken:
Try B & B aircraft supply for used turnbucles. I think they are about 1/3 the price
aircraft spruce charges. A couple of years ago when I bought mine I think
I paid about $8 a complete turnbuckle assembly
Here is the contact info....
202 S Center
Gardner, KS 66030
(913) 884-5930
They are probably at Oshkosh right now, so I am not sure anyone is maning the phones.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
----- Original Message -----
From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
Sent: 7/30/2008 7:04:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail assembly
Members of the list:
I am ready to mount my tail section and need some advice. Can anyone advise what
type or kind of turnbuckles they are using for the cable connection on the
tail section? I have been searching Aircraft Spruce for adjustable turnbuckles
but find the price on the high side. Don't get me wrong...."no ten dollar head
you get a ten dollar helmet".... guy here. Just wondering the best way to connect
the cables with adjustment. What are most of you all using?
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
________________________________________________________________________________
From: bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: Tail assembly
Date: Jul 31, 2008
________________________________________________________________________________
From: <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Tail assembly
Date: Jul 30, 2008
I'm using turnbuckles from B&B. Turnbuckles are costly, but what are you
going to do. You might try a salvage yard. We have a airplane salvage
yard here in Sacramento and I was able to scrounge some turnbuckles
there that were cheaper.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 6:27 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail assembly
Ken:
Try B & B aircraft supply for used turnbucles. I think they are about
1/3 the price aircraft spruce charges. A couple of years ago when I
bought mine I think I paid about $8 a complete turnbuckle assembly
Here is the contact info....
202 S Center
Gardner, KS 66030
(913) 884-5930
They are probably at Oshkosh right now, so I am not sure anyone is
maning the phones.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
----- Original Message -----
From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
To: Pietenpol
Sent: 7/30/2008 7:04:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail assembly
Members of the list:
I am ready to mount my tail section and need some advice. Can
anyone advise what type or kind of turnbuckles they are using for the
cable connection on the tail section? I have been searching Aircraft
Spruce for adjustable turnbuckles but find the price on the high side.
Don't get me wrong...."no ten dollar head you get a ten dollar
helmet".... guy here. Just wondering the best way to connect the cables
with adjustment. What are most of you all using?
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 31, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
VERY good info there. Thanks. Seems to me this engine deal is going to take
the most thought and time to figure out.
--- On Wed, 7/30/08, Michael Silvius wrote:
From: Michael Silvius <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 5:05 PM
=EF=BB
Michael:
=C2-
Something to chew on for a while and quite educating.
=C2-
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/
=C2-
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/flexplate/problem.html
=C2-
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/flights/crank2/
=C2-
Offered not as a discouragement but this should give you an idea of the kin
d of teritory you are geting in to.
=C2-
Michael in Maine
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Tail assembly
Date: Jul 31, 2008
Ken:
A short while ago these these photos were posted to the list. I do not
remember who they belong to but I saved them in my goodies file.
May be a solution.
Michael in Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
Members of the list:
I am ready to mount my tail section and need some advice. Can
anyone advise what type or kind of turnbuckles they are using for the
cable connection on the tail section? I have been searching Aircraft
Spruce for adjustable turnbuckles but find the price on the high side.
Don't get me wrong...."no ten dollar head you get a ten dollar
helmet".... guy here. Just wondering the best way to connect the cables
with adjustment. What are most of you all using?
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: Re: Corvair hub on Piet. plans
Date: Jul 31, 2008
John,
As we all (likely) know, the Air Camper was originally designed around a
Ford Model A engine, which typically produces 40 HP (with a lot of torque at
low RPMs). Many different engines have been attached to the fronts of Air
Campers over the years - some say more different powerplants than any other
aircraft. After WWII, when small Continentals (50 - 65 HP) came on the
scene, many people put them on Pietenpols. In 1967, when B.H. Pietenpol
released the supplemental plans for the Air Camper, he included basic
details for a lengthened fuselage, for use with the lighter Continental or
Corvair engines, as well as motor mounts for both engines. The Corvair that
BHP had used was the earlier 80 HP engine, which likely only produced
somewhere in the range of 60 HP when used on his plane. Builders today
usually use the 95 or 110 HP version of the Corvair, and likely see an
actual output of 80 to 100 HP. Over the years, builders have mounted larger
engines on their Air Campers, but for the most part, the O-200 (100 HP) is
considered the upper limit for this aircraft. Some builders who, by
necessity, need more power, due to payload issues (read: body mass) and have
opted for engines larger than the O-200, such as the O-235. This engine
produces more HP, and will impart more stresses onto the airframe. Anyone
considering using such a powerplant would be wise to have the airframe
analysed by a qualified person, and reinforced as necessary before strapping
themselves in the seat for takeoff. In the UK, the governing bodies
regarding homebuilt aircraft are much more strict, and restrictive than in
the US. Any change (and they really mean ANY) from the plans must be
approved by the LAA. Following is an excerpt from the LAA Type Acceptance
Data Sheet (TADS 047), regarding powerplants to be used on the Air Camper:
"The most popular engine for the Air Camper in the UK is the Continental C90
or 0-200, without starter or alternator to save weight. The Continental A65
has been used but this results in a degraded climb rate and necessitated a
reduction in allowable maximum gross weight, and hence reduced payload.
Lycoming 0-235 engines of 115 and 118 BHP has been used on two examples, but
use of this heavier, more powerful engine necessitates uprating of the
forward fuselage and engine mounting attachment fittings."
Note that they state that the forward fuselage and engine attachment
fittings must be "uprated".
As for explaining about Corvair parts still being manufactured, I think you
just did that.
Don't know if this reply helps you or not, but that's my take on the
situation.
Bill C.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 31, 2008
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Homemade Turnbuckles
Bill,
-
Have you nailed down the materials (thickness, width, length, rod size, etc
) to manufacture the turnbuckles for the tail section? After seeing the pri
ce for the turnbuckles on Aircraft Spruce and others, I think making my own
would be a great idea... any assistance?
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
-
--- On Mon, 3/31/08, Bill Church wrote:
From: Bill Church <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Homemade Turnbuckles
Date: Monday, March 31, 2008, 9:36 AM
Well, on Saturday, I decided to do a little experimenting with using solid
wire vs. cables, and building a sample homemade turnbuckle.
-
First, the solid wire experimenting:
I made a couple of jigs for bending the solid wire from scrap materials. Th
e design of the jigs was based on information I have gathered over the last
week - thanks to many listers (Santiago, Clif, John and others), and was e
asy to build. Since it was all made from scrap, the cost was nothing. I jus
t happened to have a bit of .080" galvanized fence wire laying around as we
ll. The jig to bend the loop in the end of the wire is pretty straightforwa
rd, and worked well. The jig (if you want to call it that) for bending the
ferrules was even more straightforward - just a piece of rod, ground down t
o approximately the right shape and size, and then driven into a block of h
ardwood. It also worked well. I made up a couple of assemblies to test out
the jigs, and as expected, the second and third attempts were much better t
han the first. I think that after a doing a dozen or so, I would get the te
chnique down to a science (or at least obtain consistant results).
Overall-I was pretty pleased with the finished product (for an amateur)
- looks good, and feels strong.
-
Second, the homemade turnbuckle:
My design for the homemade turnbuckle was based on two things. One was a co
uple of low-resolution photos of the turnbuckles used on the Flitzer biplan
es. And the other was common sense (more or less) based on size and load ca
rrying capacity. I made the ends of the turnbuckle from a couple of strips
of 16ga steel (1/2" x 5"). Because this strip was small, it was possible to
form by hand, and then squeeze in a vise (with the 3/8" rod in place). The
threaded and non-threaded inserts for each end were fabricated from a bit
of 3/8"diameter stainless steel rod (1/2" long), on which I ground down a f
lat section for the bolt to mate with. The threaded portion of the turnbuck
le is a #10-32 allen bolt (hex socket stainless steel machine screw). Like
any hex head bolt, the allen bolt only needs to be rotated 1/6 of a turn (o
r 60=B0)-in order to position the wrench for the next -"crank", but the
allen bolt does not need any clearance around the head for a wrench,
since the wrench fits inside the head. However, this is still a bit tight
the way I built my prototype, and needs a bit of refinement - maybe 1/2" ro
d instead of 3/8". I also need to devise a method to incorporate a safety w
ire, to prevent the tension from releasing.
I put all the parts together and screwed them to a hunk of 2x4, and tighten
ed up the turnbuckle, and it worked!
Photos and description have been posted on mykitplane.com:
-
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReportDetail.cfm?BuildLogID=1833
&PlaneID=510&FName=Bill&LName=Church&PlaneName=Air%20Camper
-
Note that all of this work was done in my basic garage workshop, with no sp
ecial equipment - just an angle grinder, a hammer, a drill press and a benc
h vise.
-
Before using either of these products (solid wire bracing and homemade turn
buckles) I-would suggest doing some physical testing to determine the act
ual breaking strength(s) based on the actual materials used.
-
Bill C.
=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: Homemade Turnbuckles
Date: Jul 31, 2008
Ken,
I kind of got sidetracked away from the homemade turnbuckles for a while,
and I've actually been building my tailfeathers. So, the short answer to
your question is "No, I haven't".
Having said that, here's the long answer.
I didn't do any strength calculations, but I have a strong feeling that the
turnbuckles as I made them will be sufficient in strength, but I have yet to
do some real-world pull testing to see what they can safely handle. Before I
do the pull test I wanted to refine the design a bit to make them a bit more
user friendly. That way I'll be testing the proper part, not just something
similar. I still plan to do it, just not right now. If you need an answer
right now, I think just about anyone could make up a set of these in a short
period of time, and then do their own testing using a simple apparatus
(lever and pivot). When I do get around to revising the design and doing the
pull-testing, I'll share the results with the list.
If you want more details about how I made the prototype, let me know.
Bill C.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA,
CPO, FAAOP
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:37 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Homemade Turnbuckles
Bill,
Have you nailed down the materials (thickness, width, length, rod size, etc)
to manufacture the turnbuckles for the tail section? After seeing the price
for the turnbuckles on Aircraft Spruce and others, I think making my own
would be a great idea... any assistance?
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 31, 2008
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Homemade Turnbuckles
Bill,
-
I am very open to more information as to the manufacturing of these parts.
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
-
--- On Thu, 7/31/08, Bill Church wrote:
From: Bill Church <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Homemade Turnbuckles
Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 12:34 PM
Ken,
-
I kind of got sidetracked away from the homemade turnbuckles for a while, a
nd I've actually been building my tailfeathers. So, the short answer to you
r question is "No, I haven't".
Having said that, here's the long answer.
I didn't do any strength calculations, but I have a strong feeling that the
turnbuckles as I made them will be sufficient in strength, but I have yet
to do some real-world pull testing to see what they can safely handle. Befo
re I do the pull test I wanted-to refine the design a bit to make them a
bit more user friendly. That way I'll be testing the proper part, not just
something similar. I still plan to do it, just not right now. If you need a
n answer right now, I think just about anyone could make up a set of these
in a short period of time, and then do their own testing using a simple app
aratus (lever and pivot). When I do get around to revising the design and d
oing the pull-testing, I'll share the results with the list.
If you want more details about how I made the prototype, let me know.
-
Bill C.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:37 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Homemade Turnbuckles
Bill,
-
Have you nailed down the materials (thickness, width, length, rod size, etc
) to manufacture the turnbuckles for the tail section? After seeing the pri
ce for the turnbuckles on Aircraft Spruce and others, I think making my own
would be a great idea... any assistance?
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
-
=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Waldo Pepper - One More Time
Date: Jul 31, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
Hi Gene,
You missed a good time. The grass was green, the mosquitos were
plentiful and hungry, and the Pietenpols were in abundance (at least
more so than the Hatz Biplanes). Here is a picture of the field:
Here is what it looked like from my Pietenpol at 300' AGL:
There was good food, and good camaraderie. And lots of Piet builders
taking pictures and making notes from every flying Pietenpol on the
field (I think there were a total of 14 Piets there):
By the way, on the way home I did go by Jackson, TN to visit Mom.
Coming out of there Monday morning, Flight Service forecast "a few
clouds at 600' ". By the time I got to the Tennessee River at Clifton,
this is what I found:
Shortly after that picture was taken, it walled in all around me and I
was suddenly in full IMC. If I didn't have a Turn & Bank indicator I
don't know what I would have done. As it was, I did a 180 and went back
to Jackson to wait for it to clear up.
Made it back home Tuesday afternoon. In 5 days I put a little over 34
hours on the airplane and flew just over 1900 miles.
Maybe next year we can fly up together with Randy Bush. He was there,
but without his Pietenpol. If I start working on my wife now, I might
be able to get her used to the idea of me flying up again by next July.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene &
Tammy
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Waldo Pepper - One More Time
Jack, are you going to let us know how your trip went and what I missed
out
on???
Gene in Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:44 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Waldo Pepper - One More Time
>
>
> The Great Waldo Pepper is available through Amazon. New or Used. No
> need to risk copyright infingement.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
> Verthein
> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:28 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Waldo Pepper - One More Time
>
>
>
> I haven't seen this movie since it was new in the theatre probably 30
> years ago. My quest to find a copy turned up nothing locally.
>
> Then, it turns out my Mom had it on VHS. She actually wrote an
article
> about it 25 years or so ago. Since my folks don't even HAVE a VHS
> player anymore, she gave it to me.
>
> I have dubbed it to DVD. If there is anyone on the list who hasn't
seen
> the movie who would like to I sell send a DVD to anyone who wants one
> for no charge at all. Just don't expect any fancy packaging.
>
> And yes, to those of you with scruples who worry about such things I'm
> sure this is some horrid copyright violation. but since it's not
> available for purchase new, used copies are hard to come by (and often
> expensive) and I really doubt anyone at the studio, or any of the
> performers gets much for it when a used copy changes hands at some
> insane collector price anyway, and heck, I'm offering them FREE, I'm
not
> gonna worry about it. If Mr. Redford would like to call me and ask for
> his share, more power to him.
>
> So, that's the offer. Probably best to e-mail me of list if you'd like
> one:
>
> minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com
>
> Tim in Bovey
>
>
> _________________________________________________
>
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please
> notify the sender
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Subject: Waldo Pepper - One More Time
Date: Jul 31, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
Hmmm... that didn't work. Matronics must have stripped the pictures I
sent. I'll try again.
Jack
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Phillips, Jack
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:56 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Waldo Pepper - One More Time
Hi Gene,
You missed a good time. The grass was green, the mosquitos were
plentiful and hungry, and the Pietenpols were in abundance (at least
more so than the Hatz Biplanes). Here is a picture of the field:
Here is what it looked like from my Pietenpol at 300' AGL:
There was good food, and good camaraderie. And lots of Piet builders
taking pictures and making notes from every flying Pietenpol on the
field (I think there were a total of 14 Piets there):
By the way, on the way home I did go by Jackson, TN to visit Mom.
Coming out of there Monday morning, Flight Service forecast "a few
clouds at 600' ". By the time I got to the Tennessee River at Clifton,
this is what I found:
Shortly after that picture was taken, it walled in all around me and I
was suddenly in full IMC. If I didn't have a Turn & Bank indicator I
don't know what I would have done. As it was, I did a 180 and went back
to Jackson to wait for it to clear up.
Made it back home Tuesday afternoon. In 5 days I put a little over 34
hours on the airplane and flew just over 1900 miles.
Maybe next year we can fly up together with Randy Bush. He was there,
but without his Pietenpol. If I start working on my wife now, I might
be able to get her used to the idea of me flying up again by next July.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene &
Tammy
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Waldo Pepper - One More Time
Jack, are you going to let us know how your trip went and what I missed
out
on???
Gene in Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:44 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Waldo Pepper - One More Time
>
>
> The Great Waldo Pepper is available through Amazon. New or Used. No
> need to risk copyright infingement.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
> Verthein
> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:28 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Waldo Pepper - One More Time
>
>
>
> I haven't seen this movie since it was new in the theatre probably 30
> years ago. My quest to find a copy turned up nothing locally.
>
> Then, it turns out my Mom had it on VHS. She actually wrote an
article
> about it 25 years or so ago. Since my folks don't even HAVE a VHS
> player anymore, she gave it to me.
>
> I have dubbed it to DVD. If there is anyone on the list who hasn't
seen
> the movie who would like to I sell send a DVD to anyone who wants one
> for no charge at all. Just don't expect any fancy packaging.
>
> And yes, to those of you with scruples who worry about such things I'm
> sure this is some horrid copyright violation. but since it's not
> available for purchase new, used copies are hard to come by (and often
> expensive) and I really doubt anyone at the studio, or any of the
> performers gets much for it when a used copy changes hands at some
> insane collector price anyway, and heck, I'm offering them FREE, I'm
not
> gonna worry about it. If Mr. Redford would like to call me and ask for
> his share, more power to him.
>
> So, that's the offer. Probably best to e-mail me of list if you'd like
> one:
>
> minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com
>
> Tim in Bovey
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________
>
> or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error,
please
> notify the sender
>
> Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese -
Nederlands -
> Norsk - Portuguese
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Checked by AVG.
> 4:05 PM
>
>
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From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: Homemade Turnbuckles
Date: Jul 31, 2008
Ken,
Let me see what I can put together for you.
Bill
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA,
CPO, FAAOP
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:03 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Homemade Turnbuckles
Bill,
I am very open to more information as to the manufacturing of these parts.
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 31, 2008
Subject: Re: Waldo Pepper - One More Time
Son....Son.... I'd be obliged if you propped me son. You're a good looser a
d
I like good losers, I bet you've had plenty of practice
In a message dated 7/31/2008 5:06:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com writes:
Hmmm that didn=99t work. Matronics must have stripped the p
ictures I sent.
I=99ll try again.
Jack
____________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Ja
ck
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:56 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Waldo Pepper - One More Time
Hi Gene,
You missed a good time. The grass was green, the mosquitos were plentiful
and hungry, and the Pietenpols were in abundance (at least more so than the
Hatz Biplanes). Here is a picture of the field:
Here is what it looked like from my Pietenpol at 300' AGL:
There was good food, and good camaraderie. And lots of Piet builders takin
g
pictures and making notes from every flying Pietenpol on the field (I think
there were a total of 14 Piets there):
By the way, on the way home I did go by Jackson, TN to visit Mom. Coming
out of there Monday morning, Flight Service forecast "a few clouds at 600'
".
By the time I got to the Tennessee River at Clifton, this is what I found
:
Shortly after that picture was taken, it walled in all around me and I was
suddenly in full IMC. If I didn't have a Turn & Bank indicator I don't kno
w
what I would have done. As it was, I did a 180 and went back to Jackson to
wait for it to clear up.
Made it back home Tuesday afternoon. In 5 days I put a little over 34 hour
s
on the airplane and flew just over 1900 miles.
Maybe next year we can fly up together with Randy Bush. He was there, but
without his Pietenpol. If I start working on my wife now, I might be able
to
get her used to the idea of me flying up again by next July.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[_mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com_ (mailto:owner-pietenpol-
list-server(at)matronics.com) ]
On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Waldo Pepper - One More Time
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene & Tammy"
Jack, are you going to let us know how your trip went and what I missed out
on???
Gene in Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:44 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Waldo Pepper - One More Time
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack"
>
>
> The Great Waldo Pepper is available through Amazon. New or Used. No
> need to risk copyright infingement.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [_mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com) ] On Behalf Of Tim
> Verthein
> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:28 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Waldo Pepper - One More Time
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Tim Verthein
>
>
> I haven't seen this movie since it was new in the theatre probably 30
> years ago. My quest to find a copy turned up nothing locally.
>
> Then, it turns out my Mom had it on VHS. She actually wrote an article
> about it 25 years or so ago. Since my folks don't even HAVE a VHS
> player anymore, she gave it to me.
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> I have dubbed it to DVD. If there is anyone on the list who hasn't seen
> the movie who would like to I sell send a DVD to anyone who wants one
> for no charge at all. Just don't expect any fancy packaging.
>
> And yes, to those of you with scruples who worry about such things I'm
> sure this is some horrid copyright violation. but since it's not
> available for purchase new, used copies are hard to come by (and often
> expensive) and I really doubt anyone at the studio, or any of the
> performers gets much for it when a used copy changes hands at some
> insane collector price anyway, and heck, I'm offering them FREE, I'm not
> gonna worry about it. If Mr. Redford would like to call me and ask for
> his share, more power to him.
>
> So, that's the offer. Probably best to e-mail me of list if you'd like
> one:
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> minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com
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> Tim in Bovey
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From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Waldo Pepper - One More Time
Date: Jul 31, 2008
RE: Pietenpol-List: Waldo Pepper - One More TimeSorry I missed it. Hope
to be there next year. Your photos still have not come thru.
Gene
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Date: Jul 31, 2008
From: Tim Verthein <minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Waldo Pepper
Yeeah, if you're loaded :) Used VHS copies, some up to $50.00, some used bootleg
DVD's, and some expensive PAL format tapes. Note none of the actual sources
are new off the shelf Amazon stock.
For those who might think a Wynne manual is expensive, a $40 movie certainly would
be!
For those of you on my "list" to get one, gonna be about a week before they start
going out. So be on the alert!
I just watched it again -- GREAt movie.
Tim in Bovey
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From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 31, 2008
Subject: Re: Waldo Pepper
In a message dated 7/31/2008 9:38:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com writes:
For those who might think a Wynne manual is expensive, a $40 movie certainly
would be!
I doubt you'll ever hear anyone quote lines for the head torque pattern or
timing gear sections of the book
What are you doing, I'm borrowing your plane son, its an inferior model but
it ill do, Dillhoffer promised me a job, you 're not going anywhere with my
plane... You're both starving why not help each other
What would we do? your plane is down for repair and my engine is giving me
fits..... Actually I have some ideas on the subject.
Lets get this straight, you're just flying, she's just driving, I'm the one
doing a great stunt, that why you're getting all the glory son
John
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From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Homemade Turnbuckles
Date: Jul 31, 2008
I got to thinking about "hardware store" turnbuckles as a possible alternative
to AN/MS hardware and paged over to McMaster-Carr to snoop. Found some surprises.
For example, let's take the typical 1/8" 7x19 aircraft cable. It's rated
at 2000 lbs. strength. For that, let's pick an AN/MS turnbuckle with AN4 (1/4")
threads, an eye on one end and a fork on the other, roughly 4-1/2" long.
It is rated something a little over 2000 lbs. so it's a good match for that cable.
Searching "the hardware store", we start with open-body aluminum "screen door"
turnbuckles with 1/4" threaded eyes and find that it might be rated a couple of
hundred pounds, obviously due to the aluminum body and the minimal number of
threads on the eyes that engage the body. Move on to galvanized steel and the
strength improves to a couple of hundred pounds, still very affordable. Now
on to the better stuff and we find stainless steel turnbuckles, which are available
in both open and closed body and seem to engage maybe twice as many threads
but are rated no more than 800 lbs. and also have a caution that the working
load should not be exceeded. Can you say "fails rather sharply"?
The cost of hardware store (or nautical/marine, I found) is a lot more attractive
but the strength is just not there without really getting heavy. Is the aircraft
hardware 'overkill' for the working loads? I don't know. I have not run
any sort of analysis to determine the aerodynamic loadings on any of them,
but when we go from 2000 lbs. rating to a couple of hundred, someone had better
do some testing. Same goes for home-made tensioners.
I'm all in favor of better mousetraps, but let's test these things against their
working stresses before we substitute. Those stainless turnbuckles look great
to me and are about 1/3 the price of AN/MS hardware, but I would have to assure
myself that they could handle the flight loads with at least a 2x factor
of safety because my skinny a$$ is worth more than a $10 turnbuckle.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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