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September 03, 2008 - September 25, 2008
didn't see any. Granted many pc you live in places where night flying in an
open cockpit would be a little chilly. It would be quite an awesome feeling
to take a night flight in an open cockpit on warm Texas nights. Oscar
could guard against the folks sneaking across the border under cover of
darkness!
We're not going to put lights on ours, but I would love to be able to fly it
at night.
Jeremy in Dallas
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 03, 2008
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Lights
Originally, Cubs optionally had basic running lights powered by a dry cell, although
the systems were few and far between. I don't think there was anything more
than that. Would that be grandfathered in, and if so, could this somehow be
applied to a Piet to skip the alternator/generator requirement?
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Sep 3, 2008 6:47 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>
>
>The FAA requires that to fly after dark an airplane must have lights and a
>method of generating electrical power in flight. Thus you've got to have a
>battery and a generator or alternator. As someone else said, it's a lot of
>weight to carry around for something you will use a couple of times a year.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
>Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:16 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>
>
>Is anyone running lights? I looked at several planes on west coast piet and
>didn't see any. Granted many pc you live in places where night flying in an
>open cockpit would be a little chilly. It would be quite an awesome feeling
>to take a night flight in an open cockpit on warm Texas nights. Oscar
>could guard against the folks sneaking across the border under cover of
>darkness!
>
>We're not going to put lights on ours, but I would love to be able to fly it
>at night.
>
>Jeremy in Dallas
>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Lights
Date: Sep 03, 2008
I stand corrected. I just re-read the FARs and the only requirement I could
find are the following:
91.209 Aircraft Lights
No person may:
(a) During the period from sunset to sunrise... -
(1) Operate an aircraft unless it has lighted position lights; or
(b) Operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anti-collision light system
unless it has lighted anti-collision lights. However the anti-collision
lights need not be lighted when the pilot-in-command determines that,
because of operating conditions, it would be in the interest of safety to
turn the lights off.
And that is all that is said about it. Sounds to me like battery operated
lights are OK. Still it might be good to check with your local DAR or FSDO.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:31 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights
Originally, Cubs optionally had basic running lights powered by a dry cell,
although the systems were few and far between. I don't think there was
anything more than that. Would that be grandfathered in, and if so, could
this somehow be applied to a Piet to skip the alternator/generator
requirement?
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Sep 3, 2008 6:47 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>
>
>The FAA requires that to fly after dark an airplane must have lights and a
>method of generating electrical power in flight. Thus you've got to have a
>battery and a generator or alternator. As someone else said, it's a lot of
>weight to carry around for something you will use a couple of times a year.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
>Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:16 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>
>
>Is anyone running lights? I looked at several planes on west coast piet
and
>didn't see any. Granted many pc you live in places where night flying in
an
>open cockpit would be a little chilly. It would be quite an awesome
feeling
>to take a night flight in an open cockpit on warm Texas nights. Oscar
>could guard against the folks sneaking across the border under cover of
>darkness!
>
>We're not going to put lights on ours, but I would love to be able to fly
it
>at night.
>
>Jeremy in Dallas
>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lights
From: outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
Date: Sep 04, 2008
Actually, I'm in the process of manufacturing a line of LED aircraft lights. I
have a mass of most confusing FARs and FAA info on getting lights certified,
at work. I'll try to post the numbers tomorow. The rules for experimentals are
based on the year finished. The cut off for the latest year group starts in
like 1976 or so. Everything after that requires wing tip lights, one red one
green, a tail light, and a belly light. The tail can strobe. The tail and
belly can strobe, or the wing tips can both strobe. And that's if I can remember
it right.
Jeremy in Dallas
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
-----Original Message-----
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:45:51
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights
I stand corrected. I just re-read the FARs and the only requirement I could
find are the following:
91.209 Aircraft Lights
No person may:
(a) During the period from sunset to sunrise... -
(1) Operate an aircraft unless it has lighted position lights; or
(b) Operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anti-collision light system
unless it has lighted anti-collision lights. However the anti-collision
lights need not be lighted when the pilot-in-command determines that,
because of operating conditions, it would be in the interest of safety to
turn the lights off.
And that is all that is said about it. Sounds to me like battery operated
lights are OK. Still it might be good to check with your local DAR or FSDO.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:31 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights
Originally, Cubs optionally had basic running lights powered by a dry cell,
although the systems were few and far between. I don't think there was
anything more than that. Would that be grandfathered in, and if so, could
this somehow be applied to a Piet to skip the alternator/generator
requirement?
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Sep 3, 2008 6:47 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>
>
>The FAA requires that to fly after dark an airplane must have lights and a
>method of generating electrical power in flight. Thus you've got to have a
>battery and a generator or alternator. As someone else said, it's a lot of
>weight to carry around for something you will use a couple of times a year.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
>Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:16 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>
>
>Is anyone running lights? I looked at several planes on west coast piet
and
>didn't see any. Granted many pc you live in places where night flying in
an
>open cockpit would be a little chilly. It would be quite an awesome
feeling
>to take a night flight in an open cockpit on warm Texas nights. Oscar
>could guard against the folks sneaking across the border under cover of
>darkness!
>
>We're not going to put lights on ours, but I would love to be able to fly
it
>at night.
>
>Jeremy in Dallas
>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 03, 2008
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Lights
A few points I didn't mention:
1. This is one of those cases where what's legal and what's smart might be different
things. I'm not sure I'd be comfortable living on just a battery, but that's
me. I've driven a car home at night with no charging system and a near-dead
battery; certainly don't wanna do it in a plane.
2. I've seen some pretty cool belly-mounted turbine generators. While I haven't
researched this, I suspect there's a few out there that might weigh less than
a big dry cell.
3. When I first bought the Cub, I was concerned with my mode-C requirements, so
I dug into the FAR's for this stuff. IIRC, the term 'engine-driven' charging
system was used in some verbage, so I was grandfathered in. It would kinda suck
to install something in your Piet for lights, only to find out you were consequently
on the hook for mode-C as a result.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Sep 3, 2008 7:45 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>
>
>I stand corrected. I just re-read the FARs and the only requirement I could
>find are the following:
>
>91.209 Aircraft Lights
>
>No person may:
>
>(a) During the period from sunset to sunrise... -
>
>(1) Operate an aircraft unless it has lighted position lights; or
>(b) Operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anti-collision light system
>unless it has lighted anti-collision lights. However the anti-collision
>lights need not be lighted when the pilot-in-command determines that,
>because of operating conditions, it would be in the interest of safety to
>turn the lights off.
>
>And that is all that is said about it. Sounds to me like battery operated
>lights are OK. Still it might be good to check with your local DAR or FSDO.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash
>Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:31 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>
>
>Originally, Cubs optionally had basic running lights powered by a dry cell,
>although the systems were few and far between. I don't think there was
>anything more than that. Would that be grandfathered in, and if so, could
>this somehow be applied to a Piet to skip the alternator/generator
>requirement?
>
>Jim Ash
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>>Sent: Sep 3, 2008 6:47 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>>
>
>>
>>The FAA requires that to fly after dark an airplane must have lights and a
>>method of generating electrical power in flight. Thus you've got to have a
>>battery and a generator or alternator. As someone else said, it's a lot of
>>weight to carry around for something you will use a couple of times a year.
>>
>>Jack Phillips
>>NX899JP
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:16 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>>
>>
>>Is anyone running lights? I looked at several planes on west coast piet
>and
>>didn't see any. Granted many pc you live in places where night flying in
>an
>>open cockpit would be a little chilly. It would be quite an awesome
>feeling
>>to take a night flight in an open cockpit on warm Texas nights. Oscar
>>could guard against the folks sneaking across the border under cover of
>>darkness!
>>
>>We're not going to put lights on ours, but I would love to be able to fly
>it
>>at night.
>>
>>Jeremy in Dallas
>>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 03, 2008
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Lights
Watch this one closely; once upon a time, I was involved in a discussion of the
FAA-acceptable frequencies of light acceptable for nav lights. IIRC the red-orange
spectrum from the old-style GaAs led's didn't cut it. Lots more dopants
and spectrums have hit the market since then, so make sure you've got this one
nailed down before you get too deep into it. Power output and light-intensity
per viewing angle might also be issues.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
>Sent: Sep 3, 2008 8:19 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>
>
>Actually, I'm in the process of manufacturing a line of LED aircraft lights.
I have a mass of most confusing FARs and FAA info on getting lights certified,
at work. I'll try to post the numbers tomorow. The rules for experimentals
are based on the year finished. The cut off for the latest year group starts
in like 1976 or so. Everything after that requires wing tip lights, one red one
green, a tail light, and a belly light. The tail can strobe. The tail and
belly can strobe, or the wing tips can both strobe. And that's if I can remember
it right.
>
>Jeremy in Dallas
>
>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>
>Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:45:51
>To:
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>
>
>I stand corrected. I just re-read the FARs and the only requirement I could
>find are the following:
>
>91.209 Aircraft Lights
>
>No person may:
>
>(a) During the period from sunset to sunrise... -
>
>(1) Operate an aircraft unless it has lighted position lights; or
>(b) Operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anti-collision light system
>unless it has lighted anti-collision lights. However the anti-collision
>lights need not be lighted when the pilot-in-command determines that,
>because of operating conditions, it would be in the interest of safety to
>turn the lights off.
>
>And that is all that is said about it. Sounds to me like battery operated
>lights are OK. Still it might be good to check with your local DAR or FSDO.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash
>Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:31 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>
>
>Originally, Cubs optionally had basic running lights powered by a dry cell,
>although the systems were few and far between. I don't think there was
>anything more than that. Would that be grandfathered in, and if so, could
>this somehow be applied to a Piet to skip the alternator/generator
>requirement?
>
>Jim Ash
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>>Sent: Sep 3, 2008 6:47 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>>
>
>>
>>The FAA requires that to fly after dark an airplane must have lights and a
>>method of generating electrical power in flight. Thus you've got to have a
>>battery and a generator or alternator. As someone else said, it's a lot of
>>weight to carry around for something you will use a couple of times a year.
>>
>>Jack Phillips
>>NX899JP
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:16 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>>
>>
>>Is anyone running lights? I looked at several planes on west coast piet
>and
>>didn't see any. Granted many pc you live in places where night flying in
>an
>>open cockpit would be a little chilly. It would be quite an awesome
>feeling
>>to take a night flight in an open cockpit on warm Texas nights. Oscar
>>could guard against the folks sneaking across the border under cover of
>>darkness!
>>
>>We're not going to put lights on ours, but I would love to be able to fly
>it
>>at night.
>>
>>Jeremy in Dallas
>>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lights
From: outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
Date: Sep 04, 2008
Getting within the color spectrum coordinates is doable. The intensity and angles
is also doable, but will take some work. My goal is to be able to make a set
of legal lights and keep the whole thing under 1 amp at 12V. I got into this
because our rotax powered Rans has really low source voltage while running
two old school wing tip lights, two whelen strobes, radio, transponder, and GPS.
Dad was going to buy a set of led lights from AS&S to the tune of $1000.
I teach electronics at night and decided to convert his lights to the tune of
$40. Now it has progressed to: I've drawn the circuit boards in cad, can have
them printed for $6 ea, $5 for the LEDs in each light, retired military electronics
engineer to do the soldering, and I meet with the plastic molders next
Friday to iron out the price of the housings. Then a load of paperwork, jump
through a bunch of FAA hoops, and baby they said I have to fly these lights for
150 hrs! When it comes to me making money she always says ok!
Jeremy in Dallas
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:38:13 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lights
Watch this one closely; once upon a time, I was involved in a discussion of the
FAA-acceptable frequencies of light acceptable for nav lights. IIRC the red-orange
spectrum from the old-style GaAs led's didn't cut it. Lots more dopants
and spectrums have hit the market since then, so make sure you've got this one
nailed down before you get too deep into it. Power output and light-intensity
per viewing angle might also be issues.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
>Sent: Sep 3, 2008 8:19 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>
>
>Actually, I'm in the process of manufacturing a line of LED aircraft lights.
I have a mass of most confusing FARs and FAA info on getting lights certified,
at work. I'll try to post the numbers tomorow. The rules for experimentals
are based on the year finished. The cut off for the latest year group starts
in like 1976 or so. Everything after that requires wing tip lights, one red one
green, a tail light, and a belly light. The tail can strobe. The tail and
belly can strobe, or the wing tips can both strobe. And that's if I can remember
it right.
>
>Jeremy in Dallas
>
>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>
>Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:45:51
>To:
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>
>
>I stand corrected. I just re-read the FARs and the only requirement I could
>find are the following:
>
>91.209 Aircraft Lights
>
>No person may:
>
>(a) During the period from sunset to sunrise... -
>
>(1) Operate an aircraft unless it has lighted position lights; or
>(b) Operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anti-collision light system
>unless it has lighted anti-collision lights. However the anti-collision
>lights need not be lighted when the pilot-in-command determines that,
>because of operating conditions, it would be in the interest of safety to
>turn the lights off.
>
>And that is all that is said about it. Sounds to me like battery operated
>lights are OK. Still it might be good to check with your local DAR or FSDO.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash
>Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:31 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>
>
>Originally, Cubs optionally had basic running lights powered by a dry cell,
>although the systems were few and far between. I don't think there was
>anything more than that. Would that be grandfathered in, and if so, could
>this somehow be applied to a Piet to skip the alternator/generator
>requirement?
>
>Jim Ash
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>>Sent: Sep 3, 2008 6:47 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>>
>
>>
>>The FAA requires that to fly after dark an airplane must have lights and a
>>method of generating electrical power in flight. Thus you've got to have a
>>battery and a generator or alternator. As someone else said, it's a lot of
>>weight to carry around for something you will use a couple of times a year.
>>
>>Jack Phillips
>>NX899JP
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:16 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>>
>>
>>Is anyone running lights? I looked at several planes on west coast piet
>and
>>didn't see any. Granted many pc you live in places where night flying in
>an
>>open cockpit would be a little chilly. It would be quite an awesome
>feeling
>>to take a night flight in an open cockpit on warm Texas nights. Oscar
>>could guard against the folks sneaking across the border under cover of
>>darkness!
>>
>>We're not going to put lights on ours, but I would love to be able to fly
>it
>>at night.
>>
>>Jeremy in Dallas
>>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 03, 2008
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Lights
Cool -
If you've gone this far are you going to run it throught some DO-160 stuff and
get it certified, too?
While we're here, it seems to me Jim Weir just wrote up an article in the last
month or two of Kitplanes talking about a low-loss switching supply that might
work for your purposes instead of just the basic current-limiting resistors.
Didn't really read it yet. Chances are, that if you doodle with electronics it's
a pretty simple design.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
>Sent: Sep 3, 2008 9:44 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>
>
>Getting within the color spectrum coordinates is doable. The intensity and angles
is also doable, but will take some work. My goal is to be able to make a
set of legal lights and keep the whole thing under 1 amp at 12V. I got into this
because our rotax powered Rans has really low source voltage while running
two old school wing tip lights, two whelen strobes, radio, transponder, and GPS.
Dad was going to buy a set of led lights from AS&S to the tune of $1000.
I teach electronics at night and decided to convert his lights to the tune of
$40. Now it has progressed to: I've drawn the circuit boards in cad, can have
them printed for $6 ea, $5 for the LEDs in each light, retired military electronics
engineer to do the soldering, and I meet with the plastic molders next
Friday to iron out the price of the housings. Then a load of paperwork, jump
through a bunch of FAA hoops, and baby they said I have to fly these lights
for 150 hrs! When it comes to me making money she al
!
> ways says ok!
>
>
>Jeremy in Dallas
>
>
>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
>
>Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:38:13 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>To:
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>
>
>Watch this one closely; once upon a time, I was involved in a discussion of the
FAA-acceptable frequencies of light acceptable for nav lights. IIRC the red-orange
spectrum from the old-style GaAs led's didn't cut it. Lots more dopants
and spectrums have hit the market since then, so make sure you've got this one
nailed down before you get too deep into it. Power output and light-intensity
per viewing angle might also be issues.
>
>Jim
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
>>Sent: Sep 3, 2008 8:19 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>>
>>
>>Actually, I'm in the process of manufacturing a line of LED aircraft lights.
I have a mass of most confusing FARs and FAA info on getting lights certified,
at work. I'll try to post the numbers tomorow. The rules for experimentals
are based on the year finished. The cut off for the latest year group starts
in like 1976 or so. Everything after that requires wing tip lights, one red
one green, a tail light, and a belly light. The tail can strobe. The tail and
belly can strobe, or the wing tips can both strobe. And that's if I can remember
it right.
>>
>>Jeremy in Dallas
>>
>>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>>
>>Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:45:51
>>To:
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>>
>>
>>
>>I stand corrected. I just re-read the FARs and the only requirement I could
>>find are the following:
>>
>>91.209 Aircraft Lights
>>
>>No person may:
>>
>>(a) During the period from sunset to sunrise... -
>>
>>(1) Operate an aircraft unless it has lighted position lights; or
>>(b) Operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anti-collision light system
>>unless it has lighted anti-collision lights. However the anti-collision
>>lights need not be lighted when the pilot-in-command determines that,
>>because of operating conditions, it would be in the interest of safety to
>>turn the lights off.
>>
>>And that is all that is said about it. Sounds to me like battery operated
>>lights are OK. Still it might be good to check with your local DAR or FSDO.
>>
>>Jack Phillips
>>NX899JP
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:31 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>>
>>
>>Originally, Cubs optionally had basic running lights powered by a dry cell,
>>although the systems were few and far between. I don't think there was
>>anything more than that. Would that be grandfathered in, and if so, could
>>this somehow be applied to a Piet to skip the alternator/generator
>>requirement?
>>
>>Jim Ash
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>>>Sent: Sep 3, 2008 6:47 PM
>>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>The FAA requires that to fly after dark an airplane must have lights and a
>>>method of generating electrical power in flight. Thus you've got to have a
>>>battery and a generator or alternator. As someone else said, it's a lot of
>>>weight to carry around for something you will use a couple of times a year.
>>>
>>>Jack Phillips
>>>NX899JP
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>>outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:16 PM
>>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>>>
>>>
>>>Is anyone running lights? I looked at several planes on west coast piet
>>and
>>>didn't see any. Granted many pc you live in places where night flying in
>>an
>>>open cockpit would be a little chilly. It would be quite an awesome
>>feeling
>>>to take a night flight in an open cockpit on warm Texas nights. Oscar
>>>could guard against the folks sneaking across the border under cover of
>>>darkness!
>>>
>>>We're not going to put lights on ours, but I would love to be able to fly
>>it
>>>at night.
>>>
>>>Jeremy in Dallas
>>>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Sep 03, 2008
Subject: Re: Lights
How about a wind generator? Not hooked to the engine and just enough to run lights.
Blue Skies
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008 21:06
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>
> Originally, Cubs optionally had basic running lights powered by a dry cell, although
the systems were few and far between. I don't think
> there was anything more than that. Would that be grandfathered in,
> and if so, could this somehow be applied to a Piet to skip the
> alternator/generator requirement?
>
> Jim Ash
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Jack Phillips <
> >Sent: Sep 3, 2008 6:47 PM
> >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights
> >
> >
> >The FAA requires that to fly after dark an airplane must have lights and a
> >method of generating electrical power in flight. Thus you've got to have a
> >battery and a generator or alternator. As someone else said, it's a lot of
> >weight to carry around for something you will use a couple of times a year.
> >
> >Jack Phillips
> >NX899JP
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> >outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
> >Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:16 PM
> >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lights
> >
> >
> >Is anyone running lights? I looked at several planes on west coast piet and
> >didn't see any. Granted many pc you live in places where night flying in an
> >open cockpit would be a little chilly. It would be quite an awesome feeling
> >to take a night flight in an open cockpit on warm Texas nights. Oscar
> >could guard against the folks sneaking across the border under cover of
> >darkness!
> >
> >We're not going to put lights on ours, but I would love to be able to fly it
> >at night.
> >
> >Jeremy in Dallas
> >Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: extra power ?
Date: Sep 04, 2008
I don't know about that Wasp but there was a Piet here
flying about for years and years with a Shaky Jake on it.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: "charles loomis" <rameses32(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 12:59 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: extra power ?
>
> So, my idea of beefing up the fuselage a little at the engine mounts and
> mounting a Wasp Jr on the front is a bad Idea? Dang! I was looking at 3000
> ft a minute climb fully loaded, but on the down side, if I had an engine
> failure, the glide path would be slightly worse than a Brick. Engine
> torque could be an issue as well, but could prolly be cured with a rudder
> trim tab(about 10 square feet should do.) Hmm, while I'm at it I better
> beef up the landing gear and add a bit larger fuel tank, what if I fully
> glass both wings, a set of wet wings should keep me in the air for a nice
> cross county tour.
>
> Charley
>
>
> --- On Wed, 9/3/08, walt wrote:
>
>> From: walt <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: extra power ?
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 8:10 AM
>> Jonathan,
>> If you build to the plans, an A-65 will take you anywhere
>> you want to go.
>> Did you see my "youtube" where I took me (210#)
>> and a friend (190#) up with a 65hp?
>> Not a problem.
>> Build light, and you will be good to go.
>> My runway is 2550ft.
>>
>> PS What's a GF?
>>
>>
>> walt evans
>> NX140DL
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jonathan Ragle
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 5:07 PM
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: extra power ?
>>
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> No problem whatsoever one up, but I would love to be able
>> to take my GF up with me and not worry to much about shorter
>> fields. No problem with 65HP for fun factor, just safety.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: extra power ?
>> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:46:22 -0500
>> From: Michael.D.Cuy(at)nasa.gov
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Jonathan,
>>
>> Are there any reasons why the 65hp Piet that you are
>> potentially going in halves with your Dad on isn't
>> sufficient power for you ? You mention
>> that you want to 'fly' more than anything so why
>> not just get current, get your tailwheel endorsement and
>> 'fly' for a while as you're deciding
>> on what you might want to build or modify ? I'm
>> just asking because it seems there has been a renewed
>> interest in the Piet by a number
>> of guys who really can't enjoy the plane without
>> modifying it a whole bunch and installing bigger engines.
>> (nothing wrong with that, just
>> making an observation)
>>
>> Mike C.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> st"
>> target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> ttp://forums.matronics.com
>> =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>>
>>
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: wind generator
Date: Sep 04, 2008
If y'all are dead-set on hanging stuff off your airplanes, I guess you could look
at the wind gen that Great Plains markets. Here's the link:
http://www.greatplainsas.com/gennipod1.pdf
Four amps, two hundred fifty bucks.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 04, 2008
From: <billmz(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol- extra power?
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
From: Jonathan Ragle <jon95gt(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: extra power ?
Walt=2C
I'm just going off of what the fellow that is selling me the bird says=2C t
hat it is not a very good airplane 2 up. Send me a link to the vid! I'm a
bout 200lbs but I'm not normaly quite this "healthy". Just that I quit smo
king several months ago and the munchies have been killing me.
And a GF is something that grows to roughly 145lbs after you have lived wit
h it for to long.
Jonathan
Jonathan,
Perhpaps this Piet that you are looking at has a cruise prop on it instead of a
climb prop? The wrong prop on any plane will make it sluggish, and with a passenger
onboard on high density-altitude days it becomes even more of a problem.
Check out what prop is on it before ruling out this plane... A simple prop
change could make all the difference.
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL / Baker, LA
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 04, 2008
From: <billmz(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol- extra power?
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
From: Jonathan Ragle <jon95gt(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: extra power ?
Walt=2C
I'm just going off of what the fellow that is selling me the bird says=2C t
hat it is not a very good airplane 2 up. Send me a link to the vid! I'm a
bout 200lbs but I'm not normaly quite this "healthy". Just that I quit smo
king several months ago and the munchies have been killing me.
And a GF is something that grows to roughly 145lbs after you have lived wit
h it for to long.
Jonathan
Jonathan,
Perhpaps this Piet that you are looking at has a cruise prop on it instead of a
climb prop? The wrong prop on any plane will make it sluggish, and with a passenger
onboard on high density-altitude days it becomes even more of a problem.
Check out what prop is on it before ruling out this plane... A simple prop
change could make all the difference.
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL / Baker, LA
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 04, 2008
From: <billmz(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol- extra power?
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
From: Jonathan Ragle <jon95gt(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: extra power ?
Walt=2C
I'm just going off of what the fellow that is selling me the bird says=2C t
hat it is not a very good airplane 2 up. Send me a link to the vid! I'm a
bout 200lbs but I'm not normaly quite this "healthy". Just that I quit smo
king several months ago and the munchies have been killing me.
And a GF is something that grows to roughly 145lbs after you have lived wit
h it for to long.
Jonathan
Jonathan,
Perhpaps this Piet that you are looking at has a cruise prop on it instead of a
climb prop? The wrong prop on any plane will make it sluggish, and with a passenger
onboard on high density-altitude days it becomes even more of a problem.
Check out what prop is on it before ruling out this plane... A simple prop
change could make all the difference.
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL / Baker, LA
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lights
From: outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
Date: Sep 04, 2008
Certified is the goal. I anticipate a lot of FAA hoops to jump through. The light
requirement FARs are 23.1389 23.1391 23.1393 23.1395 23.1397 23.1401
I was able to find the requirements for wind generators, but nothing on years or
charging system requirements for lights. All of our planes have engine driven
charging systems, so were good.
Thanks for the info on the article. I'll check it out.
Jeremy in Dallas
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:01:14 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lights
Cool -
If you've gone this far are you going to run it throught some DO-160 stuff and
get it certified, too?
While we're here, it seems to me Jim Weir just wrote up an article in the last
month or two of Kitplanes talking about a low-loss switching supply that might
work for your purposes instead of just the basic current-limiting resistors.
Didn't really read it yet. Chances are, that if you doodle with electronics it's
a pretty simple design.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
>Sent: Sep 3, 2008 9:44 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>
>
>Getting within the color spectrum coordinates is doable. The intensity and angles
is also doable, but will take some work. My goal is to be able to make a
set of legal lights and keep the whole thing under 1 amp at 12V. I got into this
because our rotax powered Rans has really low source voltage while running
two old school wing tip lights, two whelen strobes, radio, transponder, and GPS.
Dad was going to buy a set of led lights from AS&S to the tune of $1000.
I teach electronics at night and decided to convert his lights to the tune of
$40. Now it has progressed to: I've drawn the circuit boards in cad, can have
them printed for $6 ea, $5 for the LEDs in each light, retired military electronics
engineer to do the soldering, and I meet with the plastic molders next
Friday to iron out the price of the housings. Then a load of paperwork, jump
through a bunch of FAA hoops, and baby they said I have to fly these lights
for 150 hrs! When it comes to me making money she al
!
> ways says ok!
>
>
>Jeremy in Dallas
>
>
>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
>
>Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:38:13 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>To:
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>
>
>Watch this one closely; once upon a time, I was involved in a discussion of the
FAA-acceptable frequencies of light acceptable for nav lights. IIRC the red-orange
spectrum from the old-style GaAs led's didn't cut it. Lots more dopants
and spectrums have hit the market since then, so make sure you've got this one
nailed down before you get too deep into it. Power output and light-intensity
per viewing angle might also be issues.
>
>Jim
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
>>Sent: Sep 3, 2008 8:19 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>>
>>
>>Actually, I'm in the process of manufacturing a line of LED aircraft lights.
I have a mass of most confusing FARs and FAA info on getting lights certified,
at work. I'll try to post the numbers tomorow. The rules for experimentals
are based on the year finished. The cut off for the latest year group starts
in like 1976 or so. Everything after that requires wing tip lights, one red
one green, a tail light, and a belly light. The tail can strobe. The tail and
belly can strobe, or the wing tips can both strobe. And that's if I can remember
it right.
>>
>>Jeremy in Dallas
>>
>>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>>
>>Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:45:51
>>To:
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>>
>>
>>
>>I stand corrected. I just re-read the FARs and the only requirement I could
>>find are the following:
>>
>>91.209 Aircraft Lights
>>
>>No person may:
>>
>>(a) During the period from sunset to sunrise... -
>>
>>(1) Operate an aircraft unless it has lighted position lights; or
>>(b) Operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anti-collision light system
>>unless it has lighted anti-collision lights. However the anti-collision
>>lights need not be lighted when the pilot-in-command determines that,
>>because of operating conditions, it would be in the interest of safety to
>>turn the lights off.
>>
>>And that is all that is said about it. Sounds to me like battery operated
>>lights are OK. Still it might be good to check with your local DAR or FSDO.
>>
>>Jack Phillips
>>NX899JP
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:31 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>>
>>
>>Originally, Cubs optionally had basic running lights powered by a dry cell,
>>although the systems were few and far between. I don't think there was
>>anything more than that. Would that be grandfathered in, and if so, could
>>this somehow be applied to a Piet to skip the alternator/generator
>>requirement?
>>
>>Jim Ash
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>>>Sent: Sep 3, 2008 6:47 PM
>>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>The FAA requires that to fly after dark an airplane must have lights and a
>>>method of generating electrical power in flight. Thus you've got to have a
>>>battery and a generator or alternator. As someone else said, it's a lot of
>>>weight to carry around for something you will use a couple of times a year.
>>>
>>>Jack Phillips
>>>NX899JP
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>>outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:16 PM
>>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>>>
>>>
>>>Is anyone running lights? I looked at several planes on west coast piet
>>and
>>>didn't see any. Granted many pc you live in places where night flying in
>>an
>>>open cockpit would be a little chilly. It would be quite an awesome
>>feeling
>>>to take a night flight in an open cockpit on warm Texas nights. Oscar
>>>could guard against the folks sneaking across the border under cover of
>>>darkness!
>>>
>>>We're not going to put lights on ours, but I would love to be able to fly
>>it
>>>at night.
>>>
>>>Jeremy in Dallas
>>>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: advantages of no electrics under Class B
Date: Sep 04, 2008
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <Michael.D.Cuy(at)nasa.gov>
One thing to keep in mind is that you DON'T need a mode C transponder to
fly
under Class B (like I have here in Cleveland) airspace if you omit an
electrical
system. Champs, Cubs, Luscombes, and Piets w/out electrical can come
and go under
Class B without spending the $$$ on a Mode C transponder. I understand
the guys
like Jack Phillips who need the transponder due to the airports they
frequent or
are 'under' but otherwise but otherwise save the weight, save your
money, and climb
better, take more camping gear, less filling, tastes great.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 04, 2008
From: Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
Subject: Re: advantages of no electrics under Class B
I agree. Further, the regs say that you can still fly UNDER B or C
without a transponder if your plane wasn't certificated with an ENGINE
DRIVEN electrical generator. So, having a wind-powered generator
doesn't mean you have to have a transponder.
I had my Piet based at Meacham field in Fort Worth for around a year,
and flew it regularly. Meacham is class D, under DFW's class B, and
only about 17 miles from DFW. On more than one occasion, I flew
through someone's class D and they reported that they couldn't see me
on radar. And our government pays billions for Stealth aircraft. :D
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
Quoting "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" :
> (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]"
>
>
> One thing to keep in mind is that you DON'T need a mode C transponder to
> fly
> under Class B (like I have here in Cleveland) airspace if you omit an
> electrical
> system. Champs, Cubs, Luscombes, and Piets w/out electrical can come
> and go under
> Class B without spending the $$$ on a Mode C transponder. I understand
> the guys
> like Jack Phillips who need the transponder due to the airports they
> frequent or
> are 'under' but otherwise but otherwise save the weight, save your
> money, and climb
> better, take more camping gear, less filling, tastes great.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 04, 2008
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: advantages of no electrics under Class B
Orlando used to get cranky when you they saw you flying under their class B. Granted
all was legal, but they didn't like it. It doesn't hurt to have their help
for separation, if nothing else.
As for the 'engine-driven' part, the regs also say 'doesn't have or never had'.
So if someone (or you) had it, then took it out of your plane, you're still on
the hook.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
>Sent: Sep 4, 2008 10:12 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: advantages of no electrics under Class B
>
>
>I agree. Further, the regs say that you can still fly UNDER B or C
>without a transponder if your plane wasn't certificated with an ENGINE
>DRIVEN electrical generator. So, having a wind-powered generator
>doesn't mean you have to have a transponder.
>
>I had my Piet based at Meacham field in Fort Worth for around a year,
>and flew it regularly. Meacham is class D, under DFW's class B, and
>only about 17 miles from DFW. On more than one occasion, I flew
>through someone's class D and they reported that they couldn't see me
>on radar. And our government pays billions for Stealth aircraft. :D
>
>Steve Ruse
>Norman, OK
>
>Quoting "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" :
>
>> (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]"
>>
>>
>> One thing to keep in mind is that you DON'T need a mode C transponder to
>> fly
>> under Class B (like I have here in Cleveland) airspace if you omit an
>> electrical
>> system. Champs, Cubs, Luscombes, and Piets w/out electrical can come
>> and go under
>> Class B without spending the $$$ on a Mode C transponder. I understand
>> the guys
>> like Jack Phillips who need the transponder due to the airports they
>> frequent or
>> are 'under' but otherwise but otherwise save the weight, save your
>> money, and climb
>> better, take more camping gear, less filling, tastes great.
>>
>> Mike C.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Lights
Date: Sep 04, 2008
I have nav lights on my new Piet. I didn't certify for night. It's for
safety on hazy days and allows me to fly for the 30 minutes after sunset.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: <outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 2:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lights
>
> Is anyone running lights? I looked at several planes on west coast piet
> and didn't see any. Granted many pc you live in places where night flying
> in an open cockpit would be a little chilly. It would be quite an awesome
> feeling to take a night flight in an open cockpit on warm Texas nights.
> Oscar could guard against the folks sneaking across the border under cover
> of darkness!
>
> We're not going to put lights on ours, but I would love to be able to fly
> it at night.
>
> Jeremy in Dallas
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Sep 04, 2008
Subject: Re: advantages of no electrics under Class B
I wonder why they could not see you on their radar. Perhaps it is because you are
so low.
I used to skydive near Amarillo, Texas and the radar at Amarillo could pick up
a skydiver in freefall and would track us if we opened high (10,000+ AGL) all
the way to Buffalo Airport. Obvioulsy we did not have a transponder.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008 10:06
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: advantages of no electrics under Class B
>
> Orlando used to get cranky when you they saw you flying under their class B.
Granted all was legal, but they didn't like it. It doesn't
> hurt to have their help for separation, if nothing else.
>
> As for the 'engine-driven' part, the regs also say 'doesn't have
> or never had'. So if someone (or you) had it, then took it out of
> your plane, you're still on the hook.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Steve Ruse <
> >Sent: Sep 4, 2008 10:12 AM
> >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: advantages of no electrics under Class B
> >
> >
> >I agree. Further, the regs say that you can still fly UNDER B or C
> >without a transponder if your plane wasn't certificated with an ENGINE
> >DRIVEN electrical generator. So, having a wind-powered generator
> >doesn't mean you have to have a transponder.
> >
> >I had my Piet based at Meacham field in Fort Worth for around a year,
> >and flew it regularly. Meacham is class D, under DFW's class B, and
> >only about 17 miles from DFW. On more than one occasion, I flew
> >through someone's class D and they reported that they couldn't see me
> >on radar. And our government pays billions for Stealth aircraft. :D
> >
> >Steve Ruse
> >Norman, OK
> >
> >Quoting "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <:
> >
> >> (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <
> >>
> >>
> >> One thing to keep in mind is that you DON'T need a mode C transponder to
> >> fly
> >> under Class B (like I have here in Cleveland) airspace if you omit an
> >> electrical
> >> system. Champs, Cubs, Luscombes, and Piets w/out electrical can come
> >> and go under
> >> Class B without spending the $$$ on a Mode C transponder. I understand
> >> the guys
> >> like Jack Phillips who need the transponder due to the airports they
> >> frequent or
> >> are 'under' but otherwise but otherwise save the weight, save your
> >> money, and climb
> >> better, take more camping gear, less filling, tastes great.
> >>
> >> Mike C.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <GeneRambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Model A engine guru needed
Date: Sep 04, 2008
Would our resident Model A Ford engine experts please contact me offline
with a phone number please. I have a number of questions to ask.
Thanks,
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Walt E, group
Date: Sep 04, 2008
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <Michael.D.Cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Thank you very much for the good words Walt and you bet....it would be
great
to meet you and see your plane someday. I've experienced, along with
many others
on the list, how very cool it is to exchange ideas and posts on this
list but then
to meet others in person at Brodhead or elsewhere just connects all the
dots really
nicely. Doc and Dee Mosher have done us a great service by organizing
some portions
of the Brodhead fly-in and one is where you register and they provide
you with nice
name tag pins so as you circulate you can say 'hey Bill, I'm Mike from
the list'
We got to meet Chrissi and Randi this year which was very enjoyable
along with many
new faces. One F-16 pilot who is starting to build a Piet, another
older gent who
has been flying a Piet for years and had wise tips for others--just
great to meet
the rest of the group either one by one or a bunch all at once.
We got to meet Santiago all the way from ARGENTINA !!!!!!!! Holy moly,
that was
amazing ! Dan Helsper giving rides in his Aeronca Sedan, Gary and Shad
Bell making
their first ever appearance and giving rides including one to
Santiago--all fantastic
to meet and see these folks first hand and doing what they are
passionate about.
I ramble....
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jonathan Ragle <jon95gt(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol- extra power?
Date: Sep 04, 2008
Bill=2C
This is possible. The plane isn't ruled out=2C in fact there is already a
handshake on it. I sold some racecar parts and am waiting on a certified c
heck=2C after which time I will be able to plunk down the funds and call it
mine. :) I will get specs on the prop ASAP and post them up. Needless t
o say I'm not to worried about cruise in a bird like this=2C but climb is v
ery important. I have no idea why this hasn't entered my mind.
Jonathan> Date: Thu=2C 4 Sep 2008 09:00:33 -0400> From: billmz(at)cox.net> To:
pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol- extr
_______________________________ Message 2 _________________________________
om>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: extra power ?> > > Walt=2C> I'm just go
ing off of what the fellow that is selling me the bird says=2C t> hat it
is not a very good airplane 2 up. Send me a link to the vid! I'm a> bout 20
0lbs but I'm not normaly quite this "healthy". Just that I quit smo> king s
everal months ago and the munchies have been killing me. > > And a GF is so
mething that grows to roughly 145lbs after you have lived wit> h it for to
long.> > Jonathan> > > Jonathan=2C> > Perhpaps this Piet that you are looki
ng at has a cruise prop on it instead of a climb prop? The wrong prop on an
y plane will make it sluggish=2C and with a passenger onboard on high densi
ty-altitude days it becomes even more of a problem. Check out what prop is
on it before ruling out this plane... A simple prop change could make all t
====> > >
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Date: Sep 04, 2008
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Mid Eastern Regional Fly-in
Hello guys, is anyone going to go to the MERFI fly in at Urbana Ohio this w
eekend?- We should be there on Sat if weather is good, and we get the pro
p hub back on and oil changed tommorow.- Our parts came in today, so hope
fully 3hrs of work and we'll be back in the air.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Walt E, group
Date: Sep 04, 2008
Mike Cuy wrote-
>I ramble....
Mike, we all have our problems and quirks. Some of us drink too much, some of
us are a little too hasty to help young women into our cockpits, but I guess your
problem is that you ramble? It could be worse... you could be a liar...er,
fisherman ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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From: "John and Lori" <jonlor@btc-bci.com>
Subject: Old GN-1 old drawings
Date: Sep 05, 2008
Hello everyone,
I am new to the list as well as building. Recently I purchased GN-1
drawings that were thought to be complete. After their arrival, I found
that pages 15 and 16 were missing. These contain one half of the full size
wing rib pattern. A fellow subscriber to the list has helped with page 15,
but he could not come up with page 16. I would like to complete these
drawings with a copy of an original page that includes the trailing edge;
however, a full size wing rib print for a GN-1 of any type for building
would be appreciated. My plans are dated July 20, 1987. The page 15 I
received was not an exact match, but was close enough to work. The good
part so far is that the guy who sold the drawings to me was honest and sent
me back the check and we're working out the price pending on the outcome of
my search. This seems to be the most active Pietenpol forum that I've found
so far and have been enjoying reading the thread.
John Thompson
Allegan, Michigan
I would be happy to take care of expenses and many thanks
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 05, 2008
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Old GN-1 old drawings
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 05, 2008
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Old GN-1 old drawings
Geeeze this pic has got to go through.It's the smallest I can make it.
I've tried five times now to get this to you.
Payment is one beer when I see you on the circuit in your GN-1 Aircamper.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: rivets on gear
From: "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au>
Date: Sep 06, 2008
HI Gene
Do you have any pics and where did you buy the set?
Thanks
Carson
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2867#202867
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Date: Sep 06, 2008
From: Dick Carden <flywrite(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Control cable size
I've read of Pieters using 3/32 wire for control cables, and others using 1/8.
Is there a conventional wisdom for control cable size? Dick Carden
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 06, 2008
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Control cable size
You will get more informed answers, but for me a consideration is the vectore of
the loading. The rudder and elevator cables have either straight pulls or virtually
so. Thus 3/32" is fine, and so is S.S., in my mind.
However, the aileron cables wrap around several pulleys and turn 85, 90, and 180
degrees. While the loads are not heavy, you might want more strands for safety
reasons, and also make these cable galvanized.
I'd really like to hear exactly which cables (dia., strands, matls.) builders of
currently flying planes used for the aileron cables.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dick Carden <flywrite(at)verizon.net>
>Sent: Sep 6, 2008 7:33 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control cable size
>
>
>I've read of Pieters using 3/32 wire for control cables, and others using 1/8.
Is there a conventional wisdom for control cable size? Dick Carden
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Control cable size
Date: Sep 06, 2008
On NX18235 all control cables are 3/32" 7X19 galvanized.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Willis" <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control cable size
>
>
> You will get more informed answers, but for me a consideration is the
> vectore of the loading. The rudder and elevator cables have either
> straight pulls or virtually so. Thus 3/32" is fine, and so is S.S., in my
> mind.
>
> However, the aileron cables wrap around several pulleys and turn 85, 90,
> and 180 degrees. While the loads are not heavy, you might want more
> strands for safety reasons, and also make these cable galvanized.
>
> I'd really like to hear exactly which cables (dia., strands, matls.)
> builders of currently flying planes used for the aileron cables.
> Tim in central TX
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Dick Carden <flywrite(at)verizon.net>
>>Sent: Sep 6, 2008 7:33 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control cable size
>>
>>
>>I've read of Pieters using 3/32 wire for control cables, and others using
>>1/8. Is there a conventional wisdom for control cable size? Dick Carden
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 06, 2008
From: "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Control cable size
Dick,
My unofficial take on cable size is this...
Seems the new standards from the FAA is to use 1/8".
But folks have still used 3/32" with the argument that that is what is on
the plans, and that's what they used. I'm sure it's fine, but some get into
a disaggrement with the FAA inspector or DAR at inspection time.
To me it wasn't worth the chance, so I used 1/8" throughout for controls.
I've also heard strange stories about Stainless cable. Stainless is more
brittle than galvanized steel, and they say, tends to break strands more
often.
I'm not sure, so I used Galvanized.
As far as stranding.
For control cables, all must be 7x19, for flexibility to make the bends
around pullies.
The less flexible 7x7, and 1x19 can be used for drag wires in the wing, and
tail bracing, but for the small savings in price, it's nasty to bend
around the thimbles.
also, this hasn't been brought up in awhile,,,but you can get a free
Aircraft Spruce catalog here,,,
http://aircraftspruce.com/psorder.php
I've gotten many free catalogs over the years. And you'll spend hours of
great reading/ browsing/ dreaming.
A must read!
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Carden" <flywrite(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:33 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control cable size
>
> I've read of Pieters using 3/32 wire for control cables, and others using
> 1/8. Is there a conventional wisdom for control cable size? Dick Carden
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 06, 2008
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Grega rib dwg
I wish I could have gotten the scans to you but the matronics system wouldn
't let me send them;too large.You would have seen much clearer.=0A=0A=0A=0A
----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net
>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, September 6, 2008 3:
50:23 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Grega rib dwg=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-Li
st message posted by: Tim Willis =0A=0AJohn, d
id you get what you need?- =0A(Harvey, thanks.)=0ATim in central TX-- do
@btc-bci.com>=0A>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Old GN-1 old drawings=0A>Hello ev
eryone,=0A>- - I am new to the list as well as building.- Recently I
purchased GN-1=0A>drawings that were thought to be complete.- After their
arrival, I found=0A>that pages 15 and 16 were missing.- These contain on
e half of the full size wing rib pattern.- A fellow subscriber to the lis
t has helped with page 15,but he could not come up with page 16.- I would
like to complete thesedrawings with a copy of an original page that includ
es the trailing edge; however, a full size wing rib print for a GN-1 of any
type for building would be appreciated.- My plans are dated July 20, 198
7.- The page 15 I received was not an exact match, but was close enough t
o work.- =0A>John Thompson=0A>Allegan, Michigan=0A_______________________
_________- Message 2- _____________________________________=0A>=0A>=0A>
=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Old GN-1 old drawings=0AJohn,=0AI have a c
opy of page 16.- It may not be to the same scale or fit with your page 15
, since it is likely "a copy of a copy of a...."- However, give me your p
hysical address and I will send you a copy, no charge.- This is because t
he Gregas no longer sell the stuff.- =0AYou can tape them together and sm
oothe the curves to fit.- More importantly, you can see whatever Grega wa
s doing differently about spar distances and such.=0ATim in central TX=0Ado
not archive=0A________________________________- Message 3- ___________
vey.rule(at)rogers.com>=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Old GN-1 old drawings
=0A>________________________________- Message 4- ______________________
e(at)rogers.com>=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Old GN-1 old drawings=0A>Geee
ze this pic has got to go through.It's the smallest I can make it.=0A>I've
tried five times now to get this to you.=0A>Payment is one beer when I see
=======================
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Control cable size
Date: Sep 06, 2008
As posted here last week, all control cables on NX41CC are 3/32", 7x19 galvanized
cable. All recommendations that I've seen are to use stainless steel cable
for "standing rigging" only... nothing that flexes or runs through pulleys.
PS, I'm not sure who it was on the list who described "shadow chasing", but I did
some of that today. Flew the airplane in such a way that my shadow would come
right up behind and over moving vehicles on the ground. Pretty cool, and
it does take a bit of flying skill. Imagine the sensation of the people being
overtaken, and "Fear This!"
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 06, 2008
From: "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Control cable size
Oscar,
I've never tried that.
But once in awhile a plane shadows me, But you can't see it.
You look up but are blasted by the sun.
But still a cool experience.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control cable size
>
>
> As posted here last week, all control cables on NX41CC are 3/32", 7x19
> galvanized cable. All recommendations that I've seen are to use stainless
> steel cable for "standing rigging" only... nothing that flexes or runs
> through pulleys.
>
> PS, I'm not sure who it was on the list who described "shadow chasing",
> but I did some of that today. Flew the airplane in such a way that my
> shadow would come right up behind and over moving vehicles on the ground.
> Pretty cool, and it does take a bit of flying skill. Imagine the
> sensation of the people being overtaken, and "Fear This!"
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Subbie for a Piet??
Date: Sep 06, 2008
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/EA-81-Subaru-Engine-with-matched-prop_W0QQitemZ220278332756QQihZ012QQcategoryZ26437QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Grega rib dwg
Date: Sep 06, 2008
Yes, I've offered to send John (aka, "JT") the plans page that he's missing. Pages
13-14-15-16 make up the full-size wing rib drawing including notes, alignment
index at the bottom, and a few key details and dimensions to make the rib
jig check dimensionally and geometrically even if the paper isn't quite exact.
My four pages are taped together to form the complete full-size wing rib outline
and I'm going to copy it on our engineering copier so it's one seamless "scroll"
and send it to JT on Monday.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Sep 06, 2008
Subject: Re: Control cable size
Come on Oscar! try not to lie to people who know you Or better yet people who know
how fast a Piet goes. You must have been flying over them in their neighborhoods
where they only go 30MPH
Everyone knows you could not have caught them on the highway : ]
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008 16:37
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control cable size
>
>
> As posted here last week, all control cables on NX41CC are 3/32", 7x19 galvanized
cable. All recommendations that I've seen are to use
> stainless steel cable for "standing rigging" only... nothing that
> flexes or runs through pulleys.
>
> PS, I'm not sure who it was on the list who described "shadow
> chasing", but I did some of that today. Flew the airplane in such
> a way that my shadow would come right up behind and over moving
> vehicles on the ground. Pretty cool, and it does take a bit of
> flying skill. Imagine the sensation of the people being
> overtaken, and "Fear This!"
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Marc Davis <marcs_listreading(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: wind generator
Date: Sep 06, 2008
The blades on that wind gen look a lot like the blades on a computer (muffi
n) fan.
Marc
> From: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: wind generator
> Date: Thu=2C 4 Sep 2008 07:53:25 -0500
>
>
>
>
> If y'all are dead-set on hanging stuff off your airplanes=2C I guess you
could look at the wind gen that Great Plains markets. Here's the link:
>
> http://www.greatplainsas.com/gennipod1.pdf
>
> Four amps=2C two hundred fifty bucks.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio=2C TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: project
Date: Sep 06, 2008
I ran across this in a club newsletter I was checking out.
Possibly worth looking into for someone near this
location?
Clif
1932 Pietenpol Project for sale. $500 firm. Fuselage and plans. This
fuselage is 1'3" longer and 3" wider than a normal Pietenpol. This one
is the Extended version, set up for a Corvair motor. I have logs on
since it was first started to be built. Excellent work and
craftsmanship. Located Pawnee Rock, KS USA. Contact G. L. Zortman
Telephone: 785-342-3496 or gzortman(at)gmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Sncliffe(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 07, 2008
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 09/06/08
How do I unsubscribe please?
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: project
From: "skellytown flyer" <rhano(at)att.net>
Date: Sep 07, 2008
I just e-mailed him on this as I am going right to that area to work this week
and thought I'd check it out.he replied that he has sold it if I understood him
right.Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3044#203044
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From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: shadow chasing
Date: Sep 07, 2008
Steve, you had better watch out next time I'm flying and I spot your red Suburban
down below!! But seriously, I was returning from a short flight out to Cannon
Field, which is on the south side of town, and we had an east-southeast wind.
I cruise at just about 70 MPH indicated airspeed so with that tailwind of
maybe 10MPH, I could easily catch anybody I wanted to with my shadow (as long
as they were headed west or nearly so).
And most importantly, one of the canons that all TACOs (Texas Air Camper Organization
members) are sworn to uphold is "Decency, honesty, and modesty at all times."
I would never fib about my flying adventures, at least not before tying
down the airplane and having a couple of pints of brew.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Wizzard187(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 07, 2008
Subject: Re: cont. timing
Piet experts, I have a cont. 75-9. on my piet. This is a early engine and
there are, as far as I know no ,impulse units for these mags. They have a
thicker rear case and a cone shaped gear. The timing from the book is 32
degrees for the left mag and 28 for the right. I wonder if I set the timing
for
the right mag at about 20 degrees and started the engine on just that one it
would help. If anyone knows about a impulse for this engine I sure would be
interested. Thanks Almost harvest time in Iowa
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 07, 2008
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: cont. timing
There is a good discussion of magnetos for small continentals at this
website: http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/fenton.htm
As I remember the Bendix magnetos didn't come with an impulse option.
The Eiseman setup had an impulse. I bought a used A-65 for my Piet and
it has an impulse Eiseman and a Bendix without impulse. I haven't
started it yet. Probably the best setup is to get the Slick conversion
setup (About $1400) that gives you two impulse magnetos, new harnesses,
and a new set of plugs. Check Aircraft Spruce. I have that setup on my
Baby Ace with an A-75 and it starts on the first blade 90% of the time.
Ben
Wizzard187(at)aol.com wrote:
> Piet experts, I have a cont. 75-9. on my piet. This is a early
> engine and there are, as far as I know no ,impulse units for these
> mags. They have a thicker rear case and a cone shaped gear. The
> timing from the book is 32 degrees for the left mag and 28 for the
> right. I wonder if I set the timing for the right mag at about 20
> degrees and started the engine on just that one it would help. If
> anyone knows about a impulse for this engine I sure would be
> interested. Thanks Almost harvest time in Iowa
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
From: erik finster <es_finster(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: cont. timing
Date: Sep 08, 2008
Erik Billing Here started a Piet about 2 yrs ago =2C=2C=2C=2Cgrant money
ran out got the Wing Rib Jig done and Some Ribs collected alot of parts e
ct=2C=2C=2C=2C=2Cwe also have a 1946 Aeronca Champ 65HP Cont=2C we get Al
l Our EisemanParts from Fresno Air Parts they Are Great Call Wayne ask him
about Eiseman Mags these guys know alot and Have EVERYTHING to Keep Your
Mags Running SWEET !! =2CWe rebuilt our Mags 10 yrs ago no problem and they
have a good turn around for parts
Cheers Erik > Date: Sun=2C 7 Sep 2008 19:47:28 -0400> From: bcharvet@bellso
uth.net> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: con
llsouth.net>> > There is a good discussion of magnetos for small continenta
ls at this > website: http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/fenton.htm> As I re
member the Bendix magnetos didn't come with an impulse option. > The Eisema
n setup had an impulse. I bought a used A-65 for my Piet and > it has an im
pulse Eiseman and a Bendix without impulse. I haven't > started it yet. Pro
bably the best setup is to get the Slick conversion > setup (About $1400) t
hat gives you two impulse magnetos=2C new harnesses=2C > and a new set of p
lugs. Check Aircraft Spruce. I have that setup on my > Baby Ace with an A-7
5 and it starts on the first blade 90% of the time.> > Ben> > Wizzard187@ao
l.com wrote:> > Piet experts=2C I have a cont. 75-9. on my piet. This is a
early > > engine and there are=2C as far as I know no =2Cimpulse units for
these > > mags. They have a thicker rear case and a cone shaped gear. The >
> timing from the book is 32 degrees for the left mag and 28 for the > > r
ight. I wonder if I set the timing for the right mag at about 20 > > degree
s and started the engine on just that one it would help. If > > anyone know
s about a impulse for this engine I sure would be > > interested. Thanks Al
most harvest time in Iowa> >> >> >> > -------------------------------------
=====================> > >
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: project
Date: Sep 07, 2008
Oh well, maybe the buyer will be lucky enough to find us
here, just waiting for another poor innocent dude to
subvert. :-)
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: "skellytown flyer" <rhano(at)att.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 8:02 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: project
>
> I just e-mailed him on this as I am going right to that area to work this
> week and thought I'd check it out.he replied that he has sold it if I
> understood him right.Raymond
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3044#203044
>
>
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Date: Sep 07, 2008
From: charles loomis <rameses32(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Buz Baer's Pietenpol, has anyone seen it?
Does anyone know what happened to this aircraft? This is the only Pietenpol I have
ever seen in person, and it would have been about the same time this picture
was taken. Unfortunately Buz passed away before he could finish this aircraft
and I always wondered what happened to it.
Charley
--- On Mon, 9/8/08, Clif Dawson wrote:
> From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: project
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 2:16 PM
> Dawson"
>
> Oh well, maybe the buyer will be lucky enough to find us
> here, just waiting for another poor innocent dude to
> subvert. :-)
>
> Clif
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "skellytown flyer" <rhano(at)att.net>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 8:02 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: project
>
>
> "skellytown flyer"
> >
> > I just e-mailed him on this as I am going right to
> that area to work this
> > week and thought I'd check it out.he replied that
> he has sold it if I
> > understood him right.Raymond
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> >
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3044#203044
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> 3:30 PM
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
________________________________________________________________________________
From: lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Date: Sep 08, 2008
Subject: Buz Baer's Piet
The Piet was bought by Dick Schaflee up in north central Ks. Dick was at
Brodhead this year. Said he has it covered now. He occasionally watches
the list, perhaps h will respond. Leon Stefan Nickerson Ks.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Drag-Anti Drag Wires
Date: Sep 08, 2008
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Morning all,
This weekend I got all my wing hardware and cabling done. I've combed
the archives for an accurate tension for the wires, but the closest I
could find was a low twang. Any help on this would be great.
Thanks,
Jack
www.textors.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: drag/anti drag tension
Date: Sep 08, 2008
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <Michael.D.Cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Jack,
I tensioned mine using the same method of twanging as prescribed by my
local A&P and IA guys who work on old
airplanes all the time. They merely advised me to tension them
approximately the same key of G minor, just below
middle C. Actually they said make them tight and make them sound about
the same when you twang them.
No real rocket science needed here.
Mike C.
PS-- this goes for the tail brace cables as well when rigging. I
rigged my horizontal tail slowly so I would have no
twist and to keep them even, flat as I went and simply safety wired the
turnbuckles when they all twanged about
the same tension. You can waste alot of time using a tensioner (if you
can find one or borrow one....$$) but it
isn't necessary.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Drag-Anti Drag Wires
Date: Sep 08, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
Hi Jack,
A nice "Thummmm..." is what you want. The main thing is to have each of
the wires produce pretty close to the same note, with the wing
trammelled and true.
You can measure the tension in the wires by using some kind of a force
gage to indicate the amount of force required top deflect the center of
each wire a certain distance, but that is probably overkill, and not
likely to be much better than just plunking them and listening for the
note.
Then you get to experience the joy of safety wiring the turnbuckles.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Textor
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Drag-Anti Drag Wires
Morning all,
This weekend I got all my wing hardware and cabling done. I've combed
the archives for an accurate tension for the wires, but the closest I
could find was a low twang. Any help on this would be great.
Thanks,
Jack
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From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 08, 2008
Subject: Re: Drag-Anti Drag Wires
I remember Nathan telling me he tensioned each wire to a B flat on 41CC.
Levi
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Subject: drag/anti drag tension
Date: Sep 08, 2008
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Thanks Mike and Jack, sounds like safety wiring the turnbuckles if fun.
Guess I should do it before covering:-). Another question...Would you
say the drag-anti drag wires and strut cross bracing is tighter than the
tail group?
Thanks,
Jack
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: drag/anti drag tension
Date: Sep 08, 2008
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <Michael.D.Cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Jack,
I would say that my drag/anti-drag cables were tighter than my tail
group cables, yes.
Funny thing that if you twang the various X cables at Brodhead between
the wing struts you'll find not only are there a variety of
cable sizes being used but everyone uses different cable tension. I
made both the wing bay drag/anti-drag cables and the
cables between the wing struts fairly snug and tight and used 1/8"
diameter in both cases.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Corvair serial number
From: "skellytown flyer" <rhano(at)att.net>
Date: Sep 08, 2008
I am in the middle of Kansas on a job-just got my registration packet in and wanted
to get the application sent off this week.but my engine is back home in Texas.does
a Corvair engine have an individual serial number and if so where is
it located? I may be able to get my neighbor to go by the shop and get it for
me.thanks for any help.Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3201#203201
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
Subject: Corvair serial number
Date: Sep 08, 2008
This might help:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/CorvAIRCRAFT/EngineID.htm
Pat
> I am in the middle of Kansas on a job-just got my registration packet in
> and wanted to get the application sent off this week.but my engine is back
> home in Texas.does a Corvair engine have an individual serial number and
> if so where is it located? I may be able to get my neighbor to go by the
> shop and get it for me.thanks for any help.Raymond
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Drag-Anti Drag Wires
Date: Sep 08, 2008
As I recall, Corky told me he tuned his by blowing into a moonshine jug
and matching the sound with each wire. Would that be a B flat jug??
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Drag-Anti Drag Wires
I remember Nathan telling me he tensioned each wire to a B flat on
41CC.
Levi
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From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 08, 2008
Subject: Re: Drag-Anti Drag Wires
Caution: When tensioning by sound (tuning) be sure you check the cable
lengths and tune each like length to the same pitch.
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From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Drag-Anti Drag Wires
Date: Sep 08, 2008
Confession time. When it came time to re-rig the wings and tail surfaces on 41CC
after the rebuild, I used the "TLAR" method (that looks about right). Or,
in this case, the "TSAR" (that sounds about right) method. Less filling, tastes
great, and after three annual inspections by an A&P, nothing has been changed.
And since we're on the subject of the Tsar (Czar), I guess you know what they call
the children of the Czar? Yep... "czardines" ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <wingding(at)usmo.com>
Subject: Re: Buz Baer's Pietenpol, has anyone seen it?
Date: Sep 08, 2008
Chuck Gantzer would be the one to ask about him, as Salina is not too far
from Wichita.
dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "charles loomis" <rameses32(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:38 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Buz Baer's Pietenpol, has anyone seen it?
> Does anyone know what happened to this aircraft? This is the only
Pietenpol I have ever seen in person, and it would have been about the same
time this picture was taken. Unfortunately Buz passed away before he could
finish this aircraft and I always wondered what happened to it.
>
> Charley
>
>
> --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Clif Dawson wrote:
>
> > From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: project
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> > Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 2:16 PM
> > Dawson"
> >
> > Oh well, maybe the buyer will be lucky enough to find us
> > here, just waiting for another poor innocent dude to
> > subvert. :-)
> >
> > Clif
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "skellytown flyer" <rhano(at)att.net>
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 8:02 AM
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: project
> >
> >
> > "skellytown flyer"
> > >
> > > I just e-mailed him on this as I am going right to
> > that area to work this
> > > week and thought I'd check it out.he replied that
> > he has sold it if I
> > > understood him right.Raymond
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3044#203044
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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> >
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> > 3:30 PM
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>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Randy Bush's Piet makes front page
Date: Sep 08, 2008
Just picked up a copy of the Jackson sun newspaper out of Jackson,
Tennessee. There on the FRONT PAGE is a story and photos of Randy and
his Piet.. Go to jacksonsun.com to read the story and view the
photos.
Outstanding job Randy. I'm really pleased you have received the
recognition you deserve. You make us all proud.
Gene
N502R
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair serial number
From: "skellytown flyer" <rhano(at)att.net>
Date: Sep 08, 2008
thank you pat as I understand your reply and Oscar's e-mail, the engines do not
have a serial number as such but simply a case code.and I am just as well to
assign it a serial number of my choosing and stamp it on the case and move on
with the registration. i do appreciate you're taking the time to reply.Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3297#203297
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
Subject: Re: Corvair serial number
Date: Sep 08, 2008
> thank you pat as I understand your reply and Oscar's e-mail, the engines
> do not have a serial number as such but simply a case code.
Raymond,
The website I pointed out is devoted to the case code as well as the head
codes and NOT the serial number or VIN.
Go back and check it out; it not only shows where specifically to find the
relevant numbers but also what the numbers signify.
The case code however is really only relevant in order to find out if the
engine is a long or short stroke. Everything else that one needs to know is
cast into the heads.
As an example, you can have a case code that says it's a 95 or 110, but
someone could have put 140 or even 180 heads on it well after it left the
factory so the case code doesn't tell the whole story.
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jonathan Ragle <jon95gt(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Drag-Anti Drag Wires
Date: Sep 08, 2008
I know that if emptied an entire jug of shine I would B Flat on my kiester.
From: zharvey(at)bellsouth.netTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Pie
tenpol-List: Drag-Anti Drag WiresDate: Mon=2C 8 Sep 2008 13:16:19 -0500
As I recall=2C Corky told me he tuned his by blowing into a moonshine jug a
nd matching the sound with each wire. Would that be a B flat jug??
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday=2C September 08=2C 2008 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Drag-Anti Drag Wires
I remember Nathan telling me he tensioned each wire to a B flat on 41CC.
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From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Randy Bush's Piet makes front page
Date: Sep 08, 2008
Way to go, Randy! When I was in Jackson last weekend, I talked with my old
flight instructor, Wimpy, who taught me to fly back in 1969. Turns out he
knows you. Small world!
I'm already starting to work on Karen about flying the Piet to Brodhead
again next year,so maybe we can finally fly together. We'll see - when I
first mentioned it she expressed considerable displeasure, since I had said
I needed to fly there this year because I wouldn't be able to in 2008.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
But born and raised in Jackson, Tennessee
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 8:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Randy Bush's Piet makes front page
Just picked up a copy of the Jackson sun newspaper out of Jackson,
Tennessee. There on the FRONT PAGE is a story and photos of Randy and his
Piet.. Go to jacksonsun.com to read the story and view the photos.
Outstanding job Randy. I'm really pleased you have received the recognition
you deserve. You make us all proud.
Gene
N502R
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 09, 2008
From: Dick Carden <flywrite(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Motorcycle master links
Some time ago (I don't know just when) a Piet builder (I don't know who) posted
two photographs showing how he used motorcycle master links in lieu of clevises.
I'd like to do the same, but my search of the internet has yielded only master
links with snap fasteners and not links drilled for use with cotter pins.
I'd appreciate it if whoever posted those photos would let me know where I can
buy cotter pin master links, and what size he used. Many thanks, Dick Carden
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Steve Eldredge <steve(at)byu.edu>
Date: Sep 09, 2008
Subject: Re: Motorcycle master links
I used master links in my aileron idler connection. I simply assembled them normally,
including the spring clip, then wrapped safety wire around the center.
The center being the hour-glass 'waist' between the two pins...
Steve E.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Carden
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links
Some time ago (I don't know just when) a Piet builder (I don't know who) posted
two photographs showing how he used motorcycle master links in lieu of clevises.
I'd like to do the same, but my search of the internet has yielded only master
links with snap fasteners and not links drilled for use with cotter pins.
I'd appreciate it if whoever posted those photos would let me know where I can
buy cotter pin master links, and what size he used. Many thanks, Dick Carden
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 09, 2008
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Motorcycle links
I believe this is the link....
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
-
--- On Thu, 8/21/08, Richard Schreiber wrote:
From: Richard Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links
Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 5:22 PM
Jack and Dick:
Attached are a few photos of how I used drive chain links to replace
clevises. The chain size is a number 50. Get a length of #50 roller link
chain, 2 feet should be enough. Grind the pins off and then drive the pins
out with a punch. The inner link, with the rollers, are scrap, you just use
the outer links. Wherever you normally would use a clevis, replace with the
chain links. As you can see form the photos, you use a clevis pin and
cotter pin to hold the assembly together, with a washer under the cotter
pin. You may need to use additional washers to space things out. The clevis
pins for a #50 chain are AN393 at whatever length you need. I think most of
mine where 13's and 17's.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
> [Original Message]
> From: Dick Carden <flywrite(at)verizon.net>
> To:
> Date: 8/21/2008 11:25:27 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links
>
>
> I'm a bit confused about what motorcycle links to use, and how to use
them. Does anyone have photos of how motorcycle links are used? If so, I'd
appreciate directions to a site. Thanks, Dick Carden
>
>
=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 09, 2008
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Motorcycle master links
photos..Steve..photos....
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
-
--- On Tue, 9/9/08, Steve Eldredge wrote:
From: Steve Eldredge <steve(at)byu.edu>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links
Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 11:53 AM
I used master links in my aileron idler connection. I simply assembled them
normally, including the spring clip, then wrapped safety wire around the ce
nter.
The center being the hour-glass 'waist' between the two pins...
Steve E.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Carden
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links
Some time ago (I don't know just when) a Piet builder (I don't know
who) posted two photographs showing how he used motorcycle master links in
lieu
of clevises. I'd like to do the same, but my search of the internet has
yielded only master links with snap fasteners and not links drilled for use
with
cotter pins. I'd appreciate it if whoever posted those photos would let me
know where I can buy cotter pin master links, and what size he used. Many
thanks, Dick Carden
=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Motorcycle master links
Date: Sep 09, 2008
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Dick,
I bought some used motorcycle 520 size chain for $10.00, a chain breaker
on eBay for $15.00. I thought was easier to use the breaker than
grinding down the links to pop the outside links off. I Will plan to
take some pictures tonight if that would help you.
Jack
www.textors.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Access cover for rear stabilizer
From: "womenfly2" <keriannprice(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 09, 2008
One could have used a simple lightweight nut plate. No need to cut an access hole
then with all the hardware. Little weight at the tail means a lot of weight
at the nose.
WF2
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3426#203426
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 09, 2008
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Access cover for rear stabilizer
I guess one could agree. So how much weight could I have saved from using a
nut plate verses what I did? Not seeing the logic?
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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--- On Tue, 9/9/08, womenfly2 wrote:
From: womenfly2 <keriannprice(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Access cover for rear stabilizer
Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 1:29 PM
One could have used a simple lightweight nut plate. No need to cut an acces
s
hole then with all the hardware. Little weight at the tail means a lot of w
eight
at the nose.
WF2
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Subject: Re: Motorcycle master links
Date: Sep 09, 2008
Dick,
I don't think there is such a thing as a cotter pin master link. But there
are drilled AN393 clevis pins. You will need to determine the length you
need, based on the application you have.
Get some #50 roller chain (this chain has pins that are on 5/8" centers) ,
and disassemble the chain into little bits. The only part you will want is
the flat outer links (these are about 0.08" thick). These links have holes
that are 0.20" diameter. The clevis pins are 0.19" diameter, which will
result in a nice loose (non-binding) fit. Then get some #10 flat washers and
some 1/16" cotter pins, and put them together as shown in the attached
image.
Bill C.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Steve Eldredge <steve(at)byu.edu>
Date: Sep 09, 2008
Subject: Re: Motorcycle master links
Yes, that would make it easier. I no longer have the plane. I'll do some
digging.....
Steve e
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:24 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links
photos..Steve..photos....
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
--- On Tue, 9/9/08, Steve Eldredge wrote:
From: Steve Eldredge <steve(at)byu.edu>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links
Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 11:53 AM
I used master links in my aileron idler connection. I simply assembled them
normally, including the spring clip, then wrapped safety wire around the ce
nter.
The center being the hour-glass 'waist' between the two pins...
Steve E.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Carden
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links
Some time ago (I don't know just when) a Piet builder (I don't know
who) posted two photographs showing how he used motorcycle master links in
lieu
of clevises. I'd like to do the same, but my search of the internet has
yielded only master links with snap fasteners and not links drilled for use
with
cotter pins. I'd appreciate it if whoever posted those photos would let me
know where I can buy cotter pin master links, and what size he used. Many
thanks, Dick Carden
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Date: Sep 09, 2008
From: charles loomis <rameses32(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Motorcycle master links
Actually there are, go to a farm machinery dealer, I can't tell you what type of
machinery, but I do know they exist. Also check out some Half links, I bet there
are some uses them as well.
--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Bill Church wrote:
> From: Bill Church <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 6:59 AM
> Dick,
>
> I don't think there is such a thing as a cotter pin
> master link. But there
> are drilled AN393 clevis pins. You will need to determine
> the length you
> need, based on the application you have.
> Get some #50 roller chain (this chain has pins that are on
> 5/8" centers) ,
> and disassemble the chain into little bits. The only part
> you will want is
> the flat outer links (these are about 0.08" thick).
> These links have holes
> that are 0.20" diameter. The clevis pins are
> 0.19" diameter, which will
> result in a nice loose (non-binding) fit. Then get some #10
> flat washers and
> some 1/16" cotter pins, and put them together as shown
> in the attached
> image.
>
> Bill C.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 09, 2008
From: charles loomis <rameses32(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Motorcycle master links
But I would rather use AN393 clevis pins for that "It's just a bit of turbulance,
no big deal" feeling, as compared to the "Oh crap, turbulance" feeling you
might get using the alternative.
CHarley
--- On Wed, 9/10/08, charles loomis wrote:
> From: charles loomis <rameses32(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 8:49 AM
>
>
>
> Actually there are, go to a farm machinery dealer, I
> can't tell you what type of machinery, but I do know
> they exist. Also check out some Half links, I bet there are
> some uses them as well.
>
> --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Bill Church
> wrote:
>
> > From: Bill Church <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master
> links
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 6:59 AM
> > Dick,
> >
> > I don't think there is such a thing as a cotter
> pin
> > master link. But there
> > are drilled AN393 clevis pins. You will need to
> determine
> > the length you
> > need, based on the application you have.
> > Get some #50 roller chain (this chain has pins that
> are on
> > 5/8" centers) ,
> > and disassemble the chain into little bits. The only
> part
> > you will want is
> > the flat outer links (these are about 0.08"
> thick).
> > These links have holes
> > that are 0.20" diameter. The clevis pins are
> > 0.19" diameter, which will
> > result in a nice loose (non-binding) fit. Then get
> some #10
> > flat washers and
> > some 1/16" cotter pins, and put them together as
> shown
> > in the attached
> > image.
> >
> > Bill C.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 09, 2008
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Kurt Shipman's Piet
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 09, 2008
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kurt Shipman's Piet
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 09, 2008
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: New Piet pics
Well, I guess Matronics doesn't care for my attachments. Ah well. I uploaded
four pics of Kurt Shipman's newly completed Pietenpol to Flickr. You can see
those at:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rmueller23/
I sent off many more pics to Chris Tracy, so they should be up on
Westcoastpiet sometime in the near future. Have a good night,
Ryan
________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 10, 2008
Subject: Clevis pins vs. clevis bolts
Hi all,
I am hooking up all my control cables and primarily using clevis pins with
cotter pins for safety. Looking at those connections bothers me a little bit.
All that is between me and disaster is one little teenie weeny cotter pin. It
especially bothers me when the configuration is horizontal and not vertical,
so I don't even have the piece of mind of having gravity help me hold that
pin in there. Anybody done any different?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
**************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog,
plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.
(http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)
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From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Clevis pins vs. clevis bolts
Date: Sep 10, 2008
On NX18235 all hinge pins and cable assemblies at the tail and ailerons
are secured with a clevis pin / washer / cotter pin.
Cable terminations inside the cockpit are secured with a bolt / castle
nut / cotter pin assembly.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:34 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Clevis pins vs. clevis bolts
Hi all,
I am hooking up all my control cables and primarily using clevis pins
with cotter pins for safety. Looking at those connections bothers me a
little bit. All that is between me and disaster is one little teenie
weeny cotter pin. It especially bothers me when the configuration is
horizontal and not vertical, so I don't even have the piece of mind of
having gravity help me hold that pin in there. Anybody done any
different?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the
latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Clevis pins vs. clevis bolts
Date: Sep 10, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
Put a thin washer (AN960-10L) on the clevis pin before inserting the
cotter pin to keep rotation of the clevis from abrading the cotter pin.
If you wish, you can always replace all cotter pins during your annual
condition inspection.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:34 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Clevis pins vs. clevis bolts
Hi all,
I am hooking up all my control cables and primarily using clevis pins
with cotter pins for safety. Looking at those connections bothers me a
little bit. All that is between me and disaster is one little teenie
weeny cotter pin. It especially bothers me when the configuration is
horizontal and not vertical, so I don't even have the piece of mind of
having gravity help me hold that pin in there. Anybody done any
different?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
_____
Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the
latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com
<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014> .
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Date: Sep 10, 2008
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Brodhead 2009
Speaking of 2009..that's the 80th birthday of the Pietenpol Air Camper!!! H
as there been any talk about a special celebration at B'head? How about ano
ther mass fly-in to OSH??
-
I know Bill Rewey was instrumental in getting the 70th bash a reality and n
ow that we have Doc Mosher in our camp maybe he could lend his skills and n
etworking abilities to further the cause.
-
Something special should happen for such a special airplane.
-
Larry Williams=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Kurt Shipman's Piet
Date: Sep 10, 2008
Wow, Ryan- Kurt's airplane is a beauty! What a clean, simple cockpit. Is he in
test-flight phase, or-? And where are he and the airplane located?
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: Brodhead 2009
Date: Sep 10, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
Maybe Doc Mosher could pull a few strings at EAA headquarters and get
permission for a mass fly-in of Pietenpols into OSH to land at Pioneer
Airport and be on display there.
If we can do that, I'll try to fly my Pietenpol to Brodhead again next
year.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Williams
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:35 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009
Speaking of 2009..that's the 80th birthday of the Pietenpol Air
Camper!!! Has there been any talk about a special celebration at B'head?
How about another mass fly-in to OSH??
I know Bill Rewey was instrumental in getting the 70th bash a reality
and now that we have Doc Mosher in our camp maybe he could lend his
skills and networking abilities to further the cause.
Something special should happen for such a special airplane.
Larry Williams
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jonathan Ragle <jon95gt(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: New Piet pics
Date: Sep 10, 2008
Wow. You never expect one to look so finished. Definately not the norm.
The wood is rediculous. Nice.
Date: Tue=2C 9 Sep 2008 22:56:52 -0500From: rmueller23(at)gmail.comTo: pietenp
ol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Pietenpol-List: New Piet pics
Well=2C I guess Matronics doesn't care for my attachments. Ah well. I uploa
ded four pics of Kurt Shipman's newly completed Pietenpol to Flickr. You ca
n see those at:http://www.flickr.com/photos/rmueller23/I sent off many more
pics to Chris Tracy=2C so they should be up on Westcoastpiet sometime in t
he near future. Have a good night=2CRyan
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Date: Sep 10, 2008
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kurt Shipman's Piet
I don't really have much more info on Kurt or his Piet, unfortunately. Kurt
used to flight instruct at Poplar Grove Airport a number of years ago, and I
believe he's flying for a regional airline now. William Wynne introduced him
along with the other Corvair Piet flyers at Brodhead this year, and that was
the first time I had seen him since then (or heard that he had built a
Piet). I believe he lives in Rockton, IL, which is about 25 miles from
Brodhead. I have no idea where he is keeping his Piet. I would assume he is
still flying off his 40 hrs, since he had 30 on the tach. Unfortunately we
never did run into him while we were at the airport, so I can't fill in the
details.
Ryan
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> Wow, Ryan- Kurt's airplane is a beauty! What a clean, simple cockpit. Is
> he in test-flight phase, or-? And where are he and the airplane located?
>
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 10, 2008
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: Kurt Shipman's Piet
>Wow, Ryan- Kurt's airplane is a beauty! >
I agree that Kurt's plane is a beauty. That's one of the cleanest Corvair
cowls that I have seen yet. Does anyone know if the Corvair valve cover
has to be exposed in order to be adequately cooled? It appears that
properly installed fences inside the cowl would force air through the
cylinders but leave the entire head outside of the internal airflow. Has
anyone tried a second, internal passage to cool the head but leave it
entirely inside the cowl?
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS
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Date: Sep 10, 2008
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kurt Shipman's Piet
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Date: Sep 10, 2008
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: Kurt Shipman's Piet
Sorry Ryan, your last message came in blank screen.
Tom Stinemetze
>>> "Ryan Mueller" 9/10/2008 9:49 AM >>>
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 10, 2008
Subject: Re: Kurt Shipman's Piet
I know Kurt was building it at Poplar Grove because I talked to him. I would
assume it is still based there. He had it over at "Grassroots" fly-in (MAAC,
Midwest Antique Airplane Club, over the weekend at Brodhead.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
**************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog,
plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Corvair Cowls
Date: Sep 10, 2008
Tom,
The Corvair can certainly be fully enclosed by cowling as in the 601's and
KR's. On the other extreme is the Corvair powered Piet that William Wynn
owned. You can see it at www.westcoastpiet.com
<http://www.westcoastpiet.com/> . Many, including myself, try to keep the
nose as slender as possible for an 'older' look.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage
(11 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM
STINEMETZE
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kurt Shipman's Piet
>Wow, Ryan- Kurt's airplane is a beauty! >
I agree that Kurt's plane is a beauty. That's one of the cleanest Corvair
cowls that I have seen yet. Does anyone know if the Corvair valve cover has
to be exposed in order to be adequately cooled? It appears that properly
installed fences inside the cowl would force air through the cylinders but
leave the entire head outside of the internal airflow. Has anyone tried a
second, internal passage to cool the head but leave it entirely inside the
cowl?
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Brodhead 2009
Date: Sep 10, 2008
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <Michael.D.Cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Both Doc Mosher and Bill Rewey have good connections at EAA headquarters
but as others
have said, Bill Rewey is not do e-mail or computers.
I'm sure both of those guys would be in our camp on this issue for an
80th Anniversary
Gathering of Pietenpols at Oshkosh.
Personally I'm all about it. Count me in.
Mike C. in Ohio
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Date: Sep 10, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Spar on 3 piece wing plan
Hello list people, what is!?
-
The 3 piece wing print I have shows the spar with routed sections. Is this
for both front and rear spars? Are they saying you can route both? I only s
ee one spar shown so I guess both are the exact same. Trying to get my head
around this...solid front, routed, routed rear...not sure.
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Date: Sep 10, 2008
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Motorcycle master links
Up here in god's fly over cold country....Fleet Farm has every kind of chai
n and chain links if you have one of these stores close by. Orders anyone?
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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--- On Tue, 9/9/08, charles loomis wrote:
From: charles loomis <rameses32(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links
Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 5:49 PM
Actually there are, go to a farm machinery dealer, I can't tell you what
type of machinery, but I do know they exist. Also check out some Half links
, I
bet there are some uses them as well.
--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Bill Church wrote:
> From: Bill Church <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 6:59 AM
> Dick,
>
> I don't think there is such a thing as a cotter pin
> master link. But there
> are drilled AN393 clevis pins. You will need to determine
> the length you
> need, based on the application you have.
> Get some #50 roller chain (this chain has pins that are on
> 5/8" centers) ,
> and disassemble the chain into little bits. The only part
> you will want is
> the flat outer links (these are about 0.08" thick).
> These links have holes
> that are 0.20" diameter. The clevis pins are
> 0.19" diameter, which will
> result in a nice loose (non-binding) fit. Then get some #10
> flat washers and
> some 1/16" cotter pins, and put them together as shown
> in the attached
> image.
>
> Bill C.
=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Brodhead 2009
Date: Sep 10, 2008
We are desperately trying to get the 6 - Big Piets ready to fly up to
Brodhead 09. Our goal was to hit the anniversary. We are in the covering
wings stage. Sounds like a party to me!
Barry Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Williams
To: Pietlist
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:35 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009
Speaking of 2009..that's the 80th birthday of the Pietenpol Air
Camper!!! Has there been any talk about a special celebration at B'head?
How about another mass fly-in to OSH??
I know Bill Rewey was instrumental in getting the 70th bash a
reality and now that we have Doc Mosher in our camp maybe he could lend
his skills and networking abilities to further the cause.
Something special should happen for such a special airplane.
Larry Williams
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From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Brodhead 2009
Date: Sep 10, 2008
I'm trying my best to make it!!!
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Davis<mailto:bed(at)mindspring.com>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009
We are desperately trying to get the 6 - Big Piets ready to fly up to
Brodhead 09. Our goal was to hit the anniversary. We are in the covering
wings stage. Sounds like a party to me!
Barry Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Williams<mailto:lnawms(at)yahoo.com>
To: Pietlist
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:35 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009
Speaking of 2009..that's the 80th birthday of the Pietenpol
Air Camper!!! Has there been any talk about a special celebration at
B'head? How about another mass fly-in to OSH??
I know Bill Rewey was instrumental in getting the 70th bash a
reality and now that we have Doc Mosher in our camp maybe he could lend
his skills and networking abilities to further the cause.
Something special should happen for such a special airplane.
Larry Williams
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From: Steve Eldredge <steve(at)byu.edu>
Date: Sep 10, 2008
Subject: Brodhead 2009
My brother Andrew and I are planning to be there with the Pietenpol and Sti
nson. Watch for the twin "E"'s
Steve E
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009
I'm trying my best to make it!!!
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Davis<mailto:bed(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009
We are desperately trying to get the 6 - Big Piets ready to fly up to Brodh
ead 09. Our goal was to hit the anniversary. We are in the covering wings s
tage. Sounds like a party to me!
Barry Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Williams<mailto:lnawms(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:35 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009
Speaking of 2009..that's the 80th birthday of the Pietenpol Air Camper!!! H
as there been any talk about a special celebration at B'head? How about ano
ther mass fly-in to OSH??
I know Bill Rewey was instrumental in getting the 70th bash a reality and n
ow that we have Doc Mosher in our camp maybe he could lend his skills and n
etworking abilities to further the cause.
Something special should happen for such a special airplane.
Larry Williams
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Subject: Brodhead 2009
Date: Sep 10, 2008
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Boy, I sure wish mine was going to be ready, but I will be there in
spirit. Maybe the 85th!
Jack
www.textors.com
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Subject: Spar on 3 piece wing plan
Date: Sep 10, 2008
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <Michael.D.Cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Mike,
I would simply use whatever configuration spars you have decided on for
your wing panels as for what you use
in your center section.
Mike C.
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Subject: Comeback kid, Steve E 10 years later ?
Date: Sep 10, 2008
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <Michael.D.Cuy(at)nasa.gov>
So Steve does that mean that The Green Hornet has been (or is being)
rebuilt to fly again ? Excellent !
Good to hear you're going to try to make it as well as Gene R. and the
Gaggle from Georgia. No slacking
until you get your planes signed off and time flown off:)
Mike C.
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From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 10, 2008
Subject: Re: Brodhead 2009
If I work really hard, fast, diligently and without delays for divorce, I
think I could make the 85th with ya Jack!
John
In a message dated 9/10/2008 2:08:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack T. Textor"
Boy, I sure wish mine was going to be ready, but I will be there in
spirit. Maybe the 85th!
Jack
www.textors.com
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Subject: Spar on 3 piece wing plan
Date: Sep 10, 2008
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Mike,
The 3 piece is shown as =BE inch which should not be routed. Mine were
built up 1" so I used 1" material for the center section.
Jack
www.textors.com
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From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Comeback kid, Steve E 10 years later ?
Date: Sep 10, 2008
Mike, are you volunteering to come and help one weekend? That would
help make sure I get finished in time.
Gene
So Steve does that mean that The Green Hornet has been (or is being)
rebuilt to fly again ? Excellent !
Good to hear you're going to try to make it as well as Gene R. and the
Gaggle from Georgia. No slacking
until you get your planes signed off and time flown off:)
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Comeback kid, Steve E 10 years later ?
Date: Sep 10, 2008
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <Michael.D.Cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Gene,
You never showed up to help when I was building so you're on your own
fella:)
Mike C.
(you can do it !)
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Comeback kid, Steve E 10 years later ?
Date: Sep 10, 2008
Nice! You never asked . . .
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]<mailto:Michael.D.Cuy(at)nasa.gov>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:47 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Comeback kid, Steve E 10 years later ?
Gene,
You never showed up to help when I was building so you're on your own
fella:)
Mike C.
(you can do it !)
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Date: Sep 10, 2008
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kurt Shipman's Piet
Sorry about that Tom. I tried to attach one pic, and it didn't even want to
let that through. Strange....anywho, here is the text:
I don't believe the exposed valve covers are related to cooling. The valve
cover itself does not provide any cooling. According to William Wynne most
of the heat is shed through the cylinder heads, and the rest via the
cylinders. I think the exposed valve covers are just a function of having
the cowling be the same width as the fuselage. The fuselage is 24" wide, and
Corvair is somewhere around 28" wide, so you have a couple inches sticking
out on either side. Even though the valve covers are exposed, there is still
baffling on the engine to direct the airflow through the heads and
cylinders. You could completely enclose the engine, it will just make the
cowling more...bulbous, shall we say. Gary and Shad Bell's Piet has a
similar cowling:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rmueller23/2846066861/
Ryan
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:03 AM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
> *Sorry Ryan, your last message came in blank screen.*
> **
> *Tom Stinemetze*
>
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From: Steve Eldredge <steve(at)byu.edu>
Date: Sep 10, 2008
Subject: Comeback kid, Steve E 10 years later ?
Yep. Work has started on the repairs! I had a sobering package show up on
my doorstep a week ago... it was the fuselage and rudder skins of my piet
. It was sorta painful, sorta great kinda feeling. Andrew is rebuilding t
he fuselage and our goal is to meet up somewhere and fly back together and
enjoy Brodhead with both planes. I've toyed with the idea of building anot
her piet, just for the occasion, but I just have too many projects ahead of
another piet. I've always wanted to see if I could build one is less tha
n a year.
One great thing to report:
Latex is very durable and I'd paint with it again. In real world testing
the fabric held up very well. Even after being rolled up tightly in the ma
iling tube, the 12 year old fabric didn't crack when I unrolled it. This
fabric and coatings had nearly 400 hours of flight time and 2 years in the
elements before I got a hangar. It also suffered through one significant r
epair. It still looks great and had lots of life left.
Best regards,
Stevee
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Comeback kid, Steve E 10 years later ?
So Steve does that mean that The Green Hornet has been (or is being) rebuil
t to fly again ? Excellent !
Good to hear you're going to try to make it as well as Gene R. and the Gagg
le from Georgia. No slacking
until you get your planes signed off and time flown off:)
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brodhead 2009
From: "jimd" <jlducey(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 10, 2008
[quote="bed(at)mindspring.com"]We are desperately trying to get the 6 - Big Piets
ready to fly up to Brodhead 09. Our goal was to hit the anniversary. We are
in the covering wings stage. Sounds like a party to me!
Barry Davis
> ---
Are you talking about the Piets being built around Atlanta? I am working in Atlanta
area and ready to start covering the wings on my GN-1 Biplane, would love
to get a look at the 6.
My project is on the westcoastpiet site under Jim D
Jim
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3701#203701
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From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Brodhead 2009
Date: Sep 10, 2008
I sent an e-mail to Doc Mosher a week and a half ago enquiring about an
OSH gathering. No word back yet.
How many of us could commit to flying to OSH?
NX18235 is a probable attendee.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Williams
To: Pietlist
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:35 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009
Speaking of 2009..that's the 80th birthday of the Pietenpol Air
Camper!!! Has there been any talk about a special celebration at B'head?
How about another mass fly-in to OSH??
I know Bill Rewey was instrumental in getting the 70th bash a
reality and now that we have Doc Mosher in our camp maybe he could lend
his skills and networking abilities to further the cause.
Something special should happen for such a special airplane.
Larry Williams
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From: airlion(at)bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: Brodhead 2009
Date: Sep 11, 2008
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Subject: Brodhead 2009
Date: Sep 11, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
I would have to say NX899JP is a "definite maybe". While I would love
to be there, and can probably convince my wife to let me take the
Pietenpol over the mountains one more time (particularly if we are
flying into Pioneer Airport), we will be right in the middle of building
a new house then (with me doing the building). I just don't know yet if
I'll be able to take the time to go. Probably won't know until a couple
weeks before.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gcardinal
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009
I sent an e-mail to Doc Mosher a week and a half ago enquiring about an
OSH gathering. No word back yet.
How many of us could commit to flying to OSH?
NX18235 is a probable attendee.
Greg Cardinal
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Date: Sep 11, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Free DVD for review
Piet. people, I have made what I call a "HINT" video on building ribs, jigs
, etc. I would like to offer a few free to those of you whom would like to
review it and give me feedback on it. It is about 57 min. in length. I was
able to play it on my computer and on two TV DVD players.
-
If interested, email me an address and I will send you a free copy for revi
ew. Initially, I would like to ship only in the US, but that will change as
needed.
-
I plan on selling the DVD for $15.00. Let me know and thanks for the suppor
t.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jonathan Ragle <jon95gt(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Comeback kid, Steve E 10 years later ?
Date: Sep 11, 2008
HAHAHAHA... you sound like my hotrodding buddies.
Me on the other hand=2C I'm the opposite. I'll help work on anyone's proje
ct car just so long as they keep their hands off of mine. :-)
Jonathan
(I agree=2C you can do it!!! KEEP PLUGGING!)
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Comeback kid=2C Steve E 10 years later ?Date:
list(at)matronics.com
Gene=2C
You never showed up to help when I was building so you're on your own fella
:)
Mike C.
(you can do it !)
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Date: Sep 11, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Free DVD follow up
Wow! I have had a GREAT response to my DVD freebies, thanks you all. I have
enough to send out as is, so I am no longer going to send out free ones. I
already have almost 10 to send! If interested in purchasing, just email me
an address and $15.00 either check or M.O. I do not do PayPal, sorry.
-
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out if at all interested or if you know someone who could use them.
-
For those of you I have responded to directly, THANK YOU! Please after revi
ew, let myself know what you thought and feel free to tell the list as well
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From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Brodhead 2009
Date: Sep 11, 2008
To jimd
Yep, that's us. We work every Monday and 4th Sat of the month. We can give
a tour about any time. Our EAA Chapter is hosting Wings & Wheels, a fly-in
at the Carrollton airport, this Saturday. We are having a Big Piet Display.
770-834-8900
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "jimd" <jlducey(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 2009
>
> [quote="bed(at)mindspring.com"]We are desperately trying to get the 6 -
> Big Piets ready to fly up to Brodhead 09. Our goal was to hit the
> anniversary. We are in the covering wings stage. Sounds like a party to
> me!
> Barry Davis
>
>> ---
>
>
> Are you talking about the Piets being built around Atlanta? I am working
> in Atlanta area and ready to start covering the wings on my GN-1 Biplane,
> would love to get a look at the 6.
>
> My project is on the westcoastpiet site under Jim D
>
> Jim
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3701#203701
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Brodhead 2009
Date: Sep 11, 2008
I'll do it, hopefully with NX25 RN
Dick N
----- Original Message -----
From: gcardinal
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009
I sent an e-mail to Doc Mosher a week and a half ago enquiring about
an OSH gathering. No word back yet.
How many of us could commit to flying to OSH?
NX18235 is a probable attendee.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Williams
To: Pietlist
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:35 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009
Speaking of 2009..that's the 80th birthday of the Pietenpol
Air Camper!!! Has there been any talk about a special celebration at
B'head? How about another mass fly-in to OSH??
I know Bill Rewey was instrumental in getting the 70th bash a
reality and now that we have Doc Mosher in our camp maybe he could lend
his skills and networking abilities to further the cause.
Something special should happen for such a special airplane.
Larry Williams
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From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Brodhead 2009
Date: Sep 11, 2008
Ideas are starting to be discussed.
Hopefully, enough people can start thinking about flying in to OSH to
make it an event.
EAA won't organize a group fly-in with less than 30 airplanes.
One possibility is to meet at an airport close to OSH and fly in as
individuals or small gaggles.
West Bend and Watertown have been mentioned as launching places.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Navratil
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009
I'll do it, hopefully with NX25 RN
Dick N
----- Original Message -----
From: gcardinal
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009
I sent an e-mail to Doc Mosher a week and a half ago enquiring about
an OSH gathering. No word back yet.
How many of us could commit to flying to OSH?
NX18235 is a probable attendee.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Williams
To: Pietlist
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:35 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009
Speaking of 2009..that's the 80th birthday of the Pietenpol
Air Camper!!! Has there been any talk about a special celebration at
B'head? How about another mass fly-in to OSH??
I know Bill Rewey was instrumental in getting the 70th bash
a reality and now that we have Doc Mosher in our camp maybe he could
lend his skills and networking abilities to further the cause.
Something special should happen for such a special airplane.
Larry Williams
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Subject: Re: Randy Bush's Piet makes front page
From: "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com>
Date: Sep 11, 2008
What's the new 150 - 170 mph "metal plane" that's going to be built??
Lorin Miller
Colo, Iowa
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Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
Pietenpol next up
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Date: Sep 11, 2008
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Running like a sewing machine
NX92GB is running like a sewing machine after changing the ring gear/ fly w
heel.- It's hard to believe how use to a "rougher" engine you get use to
gradually over time.- We repaced the $100 fly wheel and MAN WHAT A DIFERE
NCE!- It runs 20 times smoother than before, which is 10 times smoother t
han a 4 banger Cont. Fall flying at its finest for the next 2 monthes.- M
y buddy Shad , ( yes 2 Shads on the same airport), got his J-3 annualed and
flying this week so I have someone to fly with.- Anyone going to any ohi
o area fly-ins in the next month or so let me know.- As for now I have to
gear up for winter building of my Jungster 1, and the 1st kid is on the wa
y in January, so airplanes fall back a notch on the priority list.- Hope
to see you all next year at Brodhead 2009, and the 80th ann. of the Pietenp
ol.
-
Shad Bell
NX92GB=0A=0A=0A
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Date: Sep 12, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: HINT DVD update
Thank you all for the interest in my DVD. At this time, I am no longer send
ing out free copies for review. If interested, it can be purchased for $15.
00.
-
For those of you I have confirmed a copy...they are all being mailed today.
Again please post what you think...good or bad. I hope it is of SOME use a
nd not to lame.
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From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: sewing machine/Hales Landing fall picnic
Date: Sep 12, 2008
Shad and others in the OH, WV, PA, or KY area.
Hales Landing is having our fall picnic Sept 20 Saturday at noon. We are 2WV3,
12 miles south of PKB, Parkersburg WV on the Ohio river in northwest WV. Five
Piets on the field, includes 3 projects, one of which is a steel tube fuze project
that is for sale.
Anyone on the list is welcome and would be my guest, so let me know off list skipgadd(at)earthlink.net
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
Sent: 9/11/2008 11:56:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Running like a sewing machine
NX92GB is running like a sewing machine after changing the ring gear/ fly wheel.
It's hard to believe how use to a "rougher" engine you get use to gradually
over time. We repaced the $100 fly wheel and MAN WHAT A DIFERENCE! It runs
20 times smoother than before, which is 10 times smoother than a 4 banger Cont.
Fall flying at its finest for the next 2 monthes. My buddy Shad , ( yes 2 Shads
on the same airport), got his J-3 annualed and flying this week so I have
someone to fly with. Anyone going to any ohio area fly-ins in the next month
or so let me know. As for now I have to gear up for winter building of my Jungster
1, and the 1st kid is on the way in January, so airplanes fall back a notch
on the priority list. Hope to see you all next year at Brodhead 2009, and
the 80th ann. of the Pietenpol.
Shad Bell
NX92GB
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Subject: Re: Running like a sewing machine
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 12, 2008
Wow!!!!!!! Congratulations Shad! Lots of change comin' your way! Best thing
in the world though!
Don Emch
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 12, 2008
Subject: Re: Running like a sewing machine
Shad,
Congratulations on the "sewing machine". Good for you that you were able to
persevere and finally solve all your engine problems. Having a lot of sewing
machines myself, I think I'll hire you to come over to my shop and work on
mine, so they'll all run up to their reputations!!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
**************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog,
plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.
(http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)
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From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: wooden things
Date: Sep 12, 2008
After you guys finish your Pietenpols, and tire of slowly
wending your way among the trees and cows..........and
can no abide that lonely, empty workshop..................
> http://joeharmon.blogspot.com/
Clif
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Subject: Riblett Print!
From: "Joser" <jsoto5(at)cfl.rr.com>
Date: Sep 12, 2008
Just received my Riblett prints from Roman! Very nice, I ordered two so that I
could laminate them and use one on my wall and the other for my fixture. Also
got my case pretty clean this past month. Roman, thank you for your prompt response!
Jose.
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Jose R. Soto
Apopka, Florida
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Subject: Re: wooden things
From: "Joser" <jsoto5(at)cfl.rr.com>
Date: Sep 12, 2008
That's the wildest thing in wood I've ever seen!
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Jose R. Soto
Apopka, Florida
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Subject: wood gear legs
From: "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au>
Date: Sep 13, 2008
Hi all
I am about to order the spruce for my gear legs.
The plans call for solid spruce
My question is should I make laminated legs or go solid what have others done?
Is laminating better?
Thanks in advance
Carson
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Subject: wood gear legs
Date: Sep 13, 2008
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Carson,
Most use ash for the legs.
Jack
www.textors.com
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From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: wood gear legs
Date: Sep 13, 2008
Hi Carson,
I made my gear legs of spruce as did Mike Cuy. Mike used solid spruce, I
laminated mine, primarily so I could make a hollow channel for the brake
line to run through and be hidden. Either way works fine. One unexpected
advantage of laminating is that the lamination lines make it very easy to
tell when you are shaping them correctly to an airfoil shape. If the lines
are parallel, your cross section is consistent.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood gear legs
Hi all
I am about to order the spruce for my gear legs.
The plans call for solid spruce
My question is should I make laminated legs or go solid what have others
done? Is laminating better?
Thanks in advance
Carson
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Date: Sep 13, 2008
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Riblett Print!
Jose,
The case looks nice and clean. Did you end up cleaning it by hand? Also, did
you make sure to remove the oil galley plugs in order to clean the oil
galleys out?
Just out of curiosity, is there any particular reason you removed all of the
head studs from your case? If I recall correctly you had stated before that
your core was in very good condition, and came apart nicely. The lower head
studs are almost always in good shape, since they are protected from the
elements by the valve covers, and don't require removal. And living in the
land of no winter would seem to reduce the likelihood that corrosion would
have eaten away the ends of the upper studs (although I guess there still is
the whole salt water thing). Anywho, just wondering....
A question about your print; what is the text of the notation in the top
left corner? I can make out the first line about 1/4 x 1/2 unless otherwise
noted, but can't decipher the rest of the note. I don't think the print I
have from Bill Rewey has that notation, so I just wanted to see if it was
information that is contained elsewhere in my print, or not at all. Thanks,
Ryan
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Joser wrote:
>
> Just received my Riblett prints from Roman! Very nice, I ordered two so
> that I could laminate them and use one on my wall and the other for my
> fixture. Also got my case pretty clean this past month. Roman, thank you for
> your prompt response! Jose.
>
> --------
> Jose R. Soto
> Apopka, Florida
>
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Date: Sep 13, 2008
From: Dick Carden <flywrite(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Tailwheel question(s)
I'm getting ready to run the control cables aft of the cockpit; I'm also going
to have a tailwheel. The question is what problem would arise if I used a tailwheel
that simply swivels on demand, without being connected to the rudder cables
in any way? Turns using the rudder and/or brakes would swivel the tailwheel
as the tail turned. Or so it would seem to me. I'd appreciate some "been there
done that" experience. Dick Carden
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Date: Sep 13, 2008
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwheel question(s)
I would worry about ground looping in a crosswind.- The tail would probab
ly swing around pretty quick and around you will go.- It would be practic
al if it would lock streight for takeoff and landing.- I've heard a coulp
le old timers talking about flying old locking tailwheels, and landing with
them unlocked by accident, they said it was "dicey".- I would say go ahe
ad and put a steerable wheel on, you'll be glad you did.- We origianally
had a fixed tailwheel ( pretty much a rolling tailskid) and it is so much n
icer with the steerable one.- It was also a big pain in the butt to run n
ew rudder/ tailwheel cables after the fuselage is covered.- So in my opin
ion, save the time and put the steerable wheel on during construction,- I
t won't look bad either, I can send photos if you like, Don Emch's is a fin
e example, ours is simmilar to his, and many others.
-
Shad
Carden
I'm getting ready to run the control cables aft of the cockpit; I'm
also going to have a tailwheel. The question is what problem would arise if
I
used a tailwheel that simply swivels on demand, without being connected to
the
rudder cables in any way? Turns using the rudder and/or brakes would swivel
the
tailwheel as the tail turned. Or so it would seem to me. I'd appreciate som
e
"been there done that" experience. Dick Carden
=0A=0A=0A
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From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: wood gear legs
Date: Sep 13, 2008
Never seen any side legs make of ash, the bottom piece is, but I think
spruce is better for the sides. I can recommend, as I am sure everyone
else will, that you make your legs out of pine first, because you
WILL mess up a couple of times. I ran some 2x4's through the table saw
to the dimensions and kept at it until I made a good set THEN made them
out of spruce (and screwed up the first try on those as well).
If you want one person's method of making the legs, please feel free to
call me at 202-674-1445. I tried several different ways before THE one
made itself obvious, and was extremely simple.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: carson<mailto:carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:08 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood gear legs
>
Hi all
I am about to order the spruce for my gear legs.
The plans call for solid spruce
My question is should I make laminated legs or go solid what have
others done? Is laminating better?
Thanks in advance
Carson
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Subject: Re: Tailwheel question(s)
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 13, 2008
I agree with Shad, I'd make it steerable. I've added a couple of links to pictures
of mine. It's pretty simple. Just a 1/2" bolt with the threads cut off
and pressed up through the tailwheel yoke then slid up through bushings in the
'A' frame body. Then a 'T' is pinned on the top for steering. I'm using a 3
1/2" wheel. It gets abused on a regular basis!
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/dscn0380_596.jpg
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/dscn0381_111.jpg
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Date: Sep 13, 2008
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwheel question(s)
I have a faily large tail wheel;never lock it.I don't even have a lock on i
t.Never had any problem.I land on the mains and then when things slow down
enough I let the tail drop and coast to a stop.-Piece of cake!-=0A=0A
=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11
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uld worry about ground looping in a crosswind.- The tail would probably s
wing around pretty quick and around you will go.- It would be practical i
f it would lock streight for takeoff and landing.- I've heard a coulple o
ld timers talking about flying old locking tailwheels, and landing with the
m unlocked by accident, they said it was "dicey".- I would say go ahead a
nd put a steerable wheel on, you'll be glad you did.- We origianally had
a fixed tailwheel ( pretty much a rolling tailskid) and it is so much nicer
with the steerable one.- It was also a big pain in the butt to run new r
udder/ tailwheel cables after the fuselage is covered.- So in my opinion,
save the time and put the steerable wheel on during construction,- It wo
n't look bad either, I can send photos if you like, Don Emch's is a fine ex
ample, ours is simmilar to his, and many others.=0A-=0AShad=0A=0A=0ACarde
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and, without being connected to the=0Arudder cables in any way? Turns using
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Date: Sep 13, 2008
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwheel question(s)
My tail wheel is none steerable as well.Go to the web site where all the pi
ctures and info on the Piets are kept and you see a pic of me in flight-(
C-IOVC) and you'll see what I mean.I can't load in a picture becuase the we
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vered.- So in my opinion, save the time and put the steerable wheel on du
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Subject: Re: Tailwheel question(s)
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 13, 2008
Hi Dick' Ever try to taxi a skid, in a 30 knot crosswind, I think the same result
is going to happen without locking the tailwheel, Dick Alkir, Ohio, had to
walk his skid Piet a half mile at Oshkosh, not an easy task with higher crosswinds
and not worth the risk.
Pieti Lowell
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From: "Mike King" <mikek120(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: GN-1 Survives IKE
Date: Sep 13, 2008
BlankJust a quick report to let the group know that my GN-1 did survive
Hurricane IKE.
Labor Day weekend I flew via Southwest Airlines from Corpus to Dallas to
bring
my GN-1 to its new home. My luck, a few days later I had to take her to
Alice, Texas,
60 miles west to an old World War II hangar to hide her from Hurricane
IKE that was
predicted to hit Corpus.
It is always windy here along the Texas Gulf Coast and when I left here
to fly my plane
to Alice, I had a 70 degree crosswind at 25 mph. The plane tracked down
the runway
and lifted off with no problems. The east wind helped my groundspeed
reach 95 miles
per hour to Alice. Luckily the wind in Alice was pretty much down
runway 31 and the
GN-1 touched down without any problems. Great plane in crosswind. The
parasol
wing helps.
Tomorrow (Sunday) I go back to Alice to bring her back home. Looking
forward to
flight down the beachline.
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Corpus Christi, Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Riblett Print!
From: "Joser" <jsoto5(at)cfl.rr.com>
Date: Sep 13, 2008
Hi Ryan, I did send the core to a machine shop for a dip in the hot tank, this
did no good and I wasn't even charged for the dip! My partner in building, Dean,
and I bought some laundry detergent and went to work with a couple of brushes
and a pressure washer, that did the trick. The studs were corroded in the centers
to the point where I did not want to fly behind them, I carefully removed
them and obtained a very nice set from one of the guys at the corvair club
in central Florida. I will install these with Loctite 620. I did remove the oil
plugs and used my rifle cleaning kit and brushes along with carburetor cleaner
to do the oil galleys. Attached is the notation in the left hand corner of
the print. How's your project coming along? Joser.
--------
Jose R. Soto
Apopka, Florida
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Date: Sep 13, 2008
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Riblett Print!
Joser,
Excellent to hear that you are being very thorough! The detergent (and the
copious amount of elbow grease involved) did a very nice job of cleaning the
case.
I spent the day working on a case that should be the one we build with.
Finally! We removed all the bad upper studs (10 of 12), and they all came
out with no problem, removing
no metal and leaving good threads in the case. I have a full set of good
used upper studs that I saved from other junk cases, which will go back in
with 620. I attacked the halves with brushes and Super Clean. I probably
removed about 95% of the grime, with the rest still in various small spaces
my brushs couldn't get to. Maybe when we're back out next weekend I'll give
the detergent a shot. Our crank has been machined and nitrided. We have
heads up at Falcon being redone, and are just accumulating money so we can
purchase the parts we need from Clark's Corvair and William Wynne in two big
lumps. Other than that, we are just about to start turning out Riblett ribs.
We wish you good luck with your project. Hopefully progress goes well on
your engine, and also with getting some ribs built up. Have a good night,
Ryan
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Joser wrote:
>
> Hi Ryan, I did send the core to a machine shop for a dip in the hot tank,
> this did no good and I wasn't even charged for the dip! My partner in
> building, Dean, and I bought some laundry detergent and went to work with a
> couple of brushes and a pressure washer, that did the trick. The studs were
> corroded in the centers to the point where I did not want to fly behind
> them, I carefully removed them and obtained a very nice set from one of the
> guys at the corvair club in central Florida. I will install these with
> Loctite 620. I did remove the oil plugs and used my rifle cleaning kit and
> brushes along with carburetor cleaner to do the oil galleys. Attached is the
> notation in the left hand corner of the print. How's your project coming
> along? Joser.
>
> --------
> Jose R. Soto
> Apopka, Florida
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Riblett Print!
From: "Joser" <jsoto5(at)cfl.rr.com>
Date: Sep 13, 2008
Ryan, where did you get the crank worked on? I have a machine shop close to the
house and I would like to see where it's at in relation to factory specs. I do
not want to regrind it if it doesn't need it. Also did you send it in to Nitron,
Inc. to get it nitrided? I'm on the same boat you are in when it comes to
saving the $$$ to send it out. I am planning to purchase new cylinders, pistons
and rods from Clark's. Also a new Otto OT-10 cam, lifters and the heads will
also go to Falcon. I'm just anal about stuff (from my days as an electronics
tech with the Coast Guard)! Talk to you soon. Joser
--------
Jose R. Soto
Apopka, Florida
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From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: GN-1 Survives IKE
Date: Sep 14, 2008
BlankGreat to hear your plane survived the storm. Have a great & safe
flt back home.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike King
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 6:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Survives IKE
Just a quick report to let the group know that my GN-1 did survive
Hurricane IKE.
Labor Day weekend I flew via Southwest Airlines from Corpus to Dallas
to bring
my GN-1 to its new home. My luck, a few days later I had to take her
to Alice, Texas,
60 miles west to an old World War II hangar to hide her from Hurricane
IKE that was
predicted to hit Corpus.
It is always windy here along the Texas Gulf Coast and when I left
here to fly my plane
to Alice, I had a 70 degree crosswind at 25 mph. The plane tracked
down the runway
and lifted off with no problems. The east wind helped my groundspeed
reach 95 miles
per hour to Alice. Luckily the wind in Alice was pretty much down
runway 31 and the
GN-1 touched down without any problems. Great plane in crosswind.
The parasol
wing helps.
Tomorrow (Sunday) I go back to Alice to bring her back home. Looking
forward to
flight down the beachline.
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Corpus Christi, Texas
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-----
Checked by AVG.
9/5/2008 1:24 PM
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 14, 2008
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Riblett Print!
Good morning Joser,
We had our crank done at Quinlin's Automotive in Indianapolis. At the time,
a gentleman by the name of Larry Hudson (who lives near Indy) was putting
together a batch of 10 cranks to be Ion-nitrided at Advanced Nitriding
Solutions. They are a larger volume shop with a good reputation, and they
would take Corvair cranks in batches. Larry is building a couple motors and
had his cranks machined at Quinlin's with good results, so we sent ours down
there to be machined and then go in with the batch at ANS (two birds, one
stone). I honestly have no idea if he is putting together another batch of
cranks to be nitrided, but I can contact Larry and find out. It was $250 to
have the crank magnfluxed, shot-peened, ground + radiused, tapped for safety
shaft, and balanced. The nitriding was $125, but I think they raised their
prices somewhat, so they may now cost the same as sending it to Nitron. You
aren't terribly far from William Wynne, I believe, so you may give him a
call and see if he has a recommendation for a semi-local Florida machine
shop.
You can determine the status of your crank before you take it to the shop,
if you wish. Performing the ring test will tell you if it is obviously
cracked. You can check the dimensions with a set of calipers or a micrometer
to give you an idea of journal size, and if they are out-of-round. The
dimensions are in the back of the Corvair shop manual, which is something
you will want to invest in anyhow if you are going to be building your own
motor. Clarks Corvair has them for about $21 + s/h, or you can try Ebay.
Falcon is certainly not the cheapest way to have heads built, but having
seen their shop and the work they do, you will not be disappointed. Mark
does absolutely top-notch work.
All for now. We're having a family get-together today, and it's time to help
prep. Have a good one,
Ryan
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Joser wrote:
>
> Ryan, where did you get the crank worked on? I have a machine shop close to
> the house and I would like to see where it's at in relation to factory
> specs. I do not want to regrind it if it doesn't need it. Also did you send
> it in to Nitron, Inc. to get it nitrided? I'm on the same boat you are in
> when it comes to saving the $$$ to send it out. I am planning to purchase
> new cylinders, pistons and rods from Clark's. Also a new Otto OT-10 cam,
> lifters and the heads will also go to Falcon. I'm just anal about stuff
> (from my days as an electronics tech with the Coast Guard)! Talk to you
> soon. Joser
>
> --------
> Jose R. Soto
> Apopka, Florida
________________________________________________________________________________
From: TBYH(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 14, 2008
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/13/08
Using white ash for my gear legs...already shaped and fitted. Spruce would be
lighter, of course...but they use white ash for hockey sticks and baseball
bats for a reason...Just my 2 cents worth...
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: owen5819(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/13/08
Date: Sep 14, 2008
> Using white ash for my gear legs...already shaped and fitted. Spruce would be
> lighter, of course...but they use white ash for hockey sticks and baseball
> bats for a reason...Just my 2 cents worth...
Hmmm. What do fiberglass axe handles weigh? Someone once used them as main gear
legs on a Dragonfly, quite successfully, as I understood at the time. Not exactly
1928 technology, but they might work in this application as well.
Owen
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/13/08
Date: Sep 14, 2008
I only stated earlier that I did not know of anyone who used ash for the
side braces, not that it had not been done. It is my understanding that
ash is strong but brittle, and was not chosen for the side braces in the
plans for a reason.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: owen5819(at)comcast.net<mailto:owen5819(at)comcast.net>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs -
09/13/08
owen5819(at)comcast.net
> Using white ash for my gear legs...already shaped and fitted. Spruce
would be
> lighter, of course...but they use white ash for hockey sticks and
baseball
> bats for a reason...Just my 2 cents worth...
Hmmm. What do fiberglass axe handles weigh? Someone once used them as
main gear legs on a Dragonfly, quite successfully, as I understood at
the time. Not exactly 1928 technology, but they might work in this
application as well.
Owen
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Subject: Aileron hinge question
Date: Sep 14, 2008
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Hi all,
Wanting to hang my aileron hinge today and would appreciate your
thoughts. I'm using a piano hinge. Do I align the top of the hinge
with the upper wing surface or should I raise it a bit so the actual pin
is aligned with the upper surface, which would result in the rolled
portion of the hinge to ride above the top surface.
Thanks!
Jack
Jack Textor
Vice President
3737 Woodland Avenue
Suite #300
West Des Moines, IA 50266
515-225-7000
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Aileron hinge question
Date: Sep 14, 2008
Jack
My opinion is that lowering the hinge a bit makes for a better bearing
surface on the back side of the ailereon beam. The nuts willl be right
at the beveled edge. My hinge tops are right at the top of the covering,
but going 1/4" lower wouldnt hurt anything.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack T. Textor
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 2:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron hinge question
Hi all,
Wanting to hang my aileron hinge today and would appreciate your
thoughts. I'm using a piano hinge. Do I align the top of the hinge
with the upper wing surface or should I raise it a bit so the actual pin
is aligned with the upper surface, which would result in the rolled
portion of the hinge to ride above the top surface.
Thanks!
Jack
Jack Textor
Vice President
3737 Woodland Avenue
Suite #300
West Des Moines, IA 50266
515-225-7000
www.thepalmergroup.com
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 14, 2008
From: "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Aileron hinge question
Jack,
I had the top of the hinge even with the top surface of the wing. None
of the hinge stuck above the air flow.
Never had a problem.
Few drops of oil during every annual inspection, every 6 inches or so,
and all is good.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack T. Textor
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 3:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron hinge question
Hi all,
Wanting to hang my aileron hinge today and would appreciate your
thoughts. I'm using a piano hinge. Do I align the top of the hinge
with the upper wing surface or should I raise it a bit so the actual pin
is aligned with the upper surface, which would result in the rolled
portion of the hinge to ride above the top surface.
Thanks!
Jack
Jack Textor
Vice President
3737 Woodland Avenue
Suite #300
West Des Moines, IA 50266
515-225-7000
www.thepalmergroup.com
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 14, 2008
Subject: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank
From: boilerup(at)ndwave.com
Does anyone have or now where to get a drawing for a wing mounted aluminum
fuel tank?
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank
From: "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au>
Date: Sep 14, 2008
Hi
I brought the plans for a fibreglass tank from Kerri-Ann Price they are very good
and the tank should be quite a bit lighter just do a search on the name and
you will find it.
Carson
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Date: Sep 14, 2008
From: "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank
Are you using a Model A engine?
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: <boilerup(at)ndwave.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 4:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank
>
> Does anyone have or now where to get a drawing for a wing mounted aluminum
> fuel tank?
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: owen5819(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/13/08
Date: Sep 15, 2008
> I only stated earlier that I did not know of anyone who used ash for the side
> braces, not that it had not been done. It is my understanding that ash is
> strong but brittle, and was not chosen for the side braces in the plans for a
> reason.
Gene,
>From the order of the quoted posts, it looks like the above may have been intended
as a reply to my suggestion about axe handles. If so, maybe I should say
that this was not intended as some sort of smart-a** comment about your prior
message. Fiberglass axe handles are strong, reasonably streamlined, and probably
cheaper than suitable wood, and there is precedent for their use in gear legs.
But they may be heavy. I seriously wondered whether anyone knew how much they
weigh compared with spruce. If not, I'll weigh one myself next time I get
the chance.
Owen
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Wood Gear
Date: Sep 14, 2008
Just for the sake of discussion (and since I am using laminated Hickory), I
don't see where there is a need to be concerned about the flexible strength
of spruce vs the brittle strength of ash. It appears to me that the gear is
well braced with wires, transferring virtually all the load to compression
only. Where is the need for flex?
Certainly there is weight penalty for ash or hickory. The same would apply
to the cabanes and wing struts.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage
(11 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
owen5819(at)comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/13/08
> I only stated earlier that I did not know of anyone who used ash for the
side
> braces, not that it had not been done. It is my understanding that ash is
> strong but brittle, and was not chosen for the side braces in the plans
for a
> reason.
Gene,
>From the order of the quoted posts, it looks like the above may have been
intended as a reply to my suggestion about axe handles. If so, maybe I
should say that this was not intended as some sort of smart-a** comment
about your prior message. Fiberglass axe handles are strong, reasonably
streamlined, and probably cheaper than suitable wood, and there is precedent
for their use in gear legs. But they may be heavy. I seriously wondered
whether anyone knew how much they weigh compared with spruce. If not, I'll
weigh one myself next time I get the chance.
Owen
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brodhead 2009
From: "jimd" <jlducey(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 14, 2008
Barry,
Thanks for the info, I will be back in Atlanta monday the 14th-thursday, pretty
much each week for a while, will give you a call and see if I can see the planes.
Jim D.
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Subject: Interesting Piet cargo pod
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Sep 14, 2008
Was just surfing the web for Pietenpol photos and came across an interesting idea.
This Pietenpol has what looks like a torpedo, but is actually a cargo pod
mounted below the fuselage. The description says it is made of carbon fiber. Looks
like a great way to carry a tent or any other odd shaped items, for those
trying to make the Air Camper live up to its name. Here's a link to the photo:
http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/223082.html
Of course, one would have to accept the fact that such an attachment would add
a bit of drag to an otherwise sleek aircraft.
Bill C.
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Date: Sep 14, 2008
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank
Please be aware that a fiber glass tank will be eaten in todays gasoline ty
pes with ethonal in it.I was talking to a friend of mine and he said that i
f you line the inside with a resistant coating that it will last against it
but-I have as yet not been successful at this on my N3Pup tanks.=0A=0A
=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: carson <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au>
=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 5:43
:01 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank
.au>=0A=0AHi =0AI brought the plans for a fibreglass tank from Kerri-Ann Pr
ice they are very good and the tank should be quite a bit lighter just do a
search on the name and you will find it.=0ACarson=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this
topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 428
===============
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From: BScott116(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 14, 2008
Subject: Re: Aileron hinge question
you are going to cover them with a gap seal aren't you?
In a message dated 9/14/2008 2:54:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
horzpool(at)goldengate.net writes:
Jack
My opinion is that lowering the hinge a bit makes for a better bearing
surface on the back side of the ailereon beam. The nuts willl be right at t
he
beveled edge. My hinge tops are right at the top of the covering, but going
1/4"
lower wouldnt hurt anything.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: _Jack T. Textor_ (mailto:jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com)
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 2:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron hinge question
Hi all,
Wanting to hang my aileron hinge today and would appreciate your thoughts.
I
=99m using a piano hinge. Do I align the top of the hinge with the u
pper wing
surface or should I raise it a bit so the actual pin is aligned with the
upper surface, which would result in the rolled portion of the hinge to rid
e
above the top surface.
Thanks!
Jack
Jack Textor
Vice President
3737 Woodland Avenue
Suite #300
West Des Moines, IA 50266
515-225-7000
_www.thepalmergroup.com_ (http://www.thepalmergroup.com/)
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e legally
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank
Date: Sep 15, 2008
Harvey:
A great majority of epoxies and polyesters suffer degradation when in
contact with modern ethanol blends. But the key to building a composite
fuel tank that is compatible with todays etahnol blend fuels is to use
vinylester resin as this is impervious to alcohols. It is also a litle
more tolerant of deviations in mix proportions and thus a bit easier to
use.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/vinylester.php
Michael in Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: H RULE
Please be aware that a fiber glass tank will be eaten in todays
gasoline types with ethonal in it.I was talking to a friend of mine and
he said that if you line the inside with a resistant coating that it
will last against it but I have as yet not been successful at this on my
N3Pup tanks.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: aileron hinge question
Date: Sep 15, 2008
>you are going to cover them with a gap seal aren't you?
The continuous piano hinge the full length of the aileron IS the gap seal.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Aileron hinge question
Date: Sep 15, 2008
A piano hinge becomes a gap seal.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: BScott116(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron hinge question
you are going to cover them with a gap seal aren't you?
In a message dated 9/14/2008 2:54:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
horzpool(at)goldengate.net writes:
Jack
My opinion is that lowering the hinge a bit makes for a better
bearing surface on the back side of the ailereon beam. The nuts willl be
right at the beveled edge. My hinge tops are right at the top of the
covering, but going 1/4" lower wouldnt hurt anything.
Dick N.
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From: Jack T. Textor
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 2:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron hinge question
Hi all,
Wanting to hang my aileron hinge today and would appreciate your
thoughts. I=99m using a piano hinge. Do I align the top of the
hinge with the upper wing surface or should I raise it a bit so the
actual pin is aligned with the upper surface, which would result in the
rolled portion of the hinge to ride above the top surface.
Thanks!
Jack
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From: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
Subject: Interesting Piet cargo pod
Date: Sep 15, 2008
The canard guys have had good luck with it.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/74/201693948_fd0ad08858.jpg?v=0
Pat
> Was just surfing the web for Pietenpol photos and came across an
> interesting idea. This Pietenpol has what looks like a torpedo, but is
> actually a cargo pod mounted below the fuselage. The description says it
> is made of carbon fiber. Looks like a great way to carry a tent or any
> other odd shaped items, for those trying to make the Air Camper live up to
> its name. Here's a link to the photo:
>
> http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/223082.html
>
> Of course, one would have to accept the fact that such an attachment would
> add a bit of drag to an otherwise sleek aircraft.
>
> Bill C.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Interesting Piet cargo pod
Date: Sep 15, 2008
That's more like it!! I sure wouldn't want a non streamlined cargo pod
slowing my Piet down!
Gene N502R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 12:30 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Interesting Piet cargo pod
> <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
>
> The canard guys have had good luck with it.
>
> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/74/201693948_fd0ad08858.jpg?v=0
>
> Pat
>
>> Was just surfing the web for Pietenpol photos and came across an
>> interesting idea. This Pietenpol has what looks like a torpedo, but is
>> actually a cargo pod mounted below the fuselage. The description says it
>> is made of carbon fiber. Looks like a great way to carry a tent or any
>> other odd shaped items, for those trying to make the Air Camper live up
>> to
>> its name. Here's a link to the photo:
>>
>> http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/223082.html
>>
>> Of course, one would have to accept the fact that such an attachment
>> would
>> add a bit of drag to an otherwise sleek aircraft.
>>
>> Bill C.
>
>
> --
> Checked by AVG.
> 1:24 PM
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: airlion(at)bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank
Date: Sep 15, 2008
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 15, 2008
Subject: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank
From: boilerup(at)ndwave.com
I bought the plans also and my attempt at making the fiberglass tank was
not very successful. I have someone that will build me an aluminum tank
for the cost of materials. That is why I am inquiring about aluminum tank
plans.
Thanks,
Bart
>
> Hi
> I brought the plans for a fibreglass tank from Kerri-Ann Price they are
> very good and the tank should be quite a bit lighter just do a search on
> the name and you will find it.
> Carson
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4285#204285
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 15, 2008
Subject: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank
From: boilerup(at)ndwave.com
Corvair.
>
> Are you using a Model A engine?
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <boilerup(at)ndwave.com>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 4:56 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank
>
>
>>
>> Does anyone have or now where to get a drawing for a wing mounted
>> aluminum
>> fuel tank?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 15, 2008
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank
Being a large 270 lb 6'0" mass of water, tendons, muscle, fat, brains, look
s, gas and other humanoid characteristics, I went with a well built aluminu
m tank for ballast as a header tank. No stinking fiberglass in this plane!
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
-
--- On Mon, 9/15/08, boilerup(at)ndwave.com wrote:
From: boilerup(at)ndwave.com <boilerup(at)ndwave.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank
Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 7:22 PM
I bought the plans also and my attempt at making the fiberglass tank was
not very successful. I have someone that will build me an aluminum tank
for the cost of materials. That is why I am inquiring about aluminum tank
plans.
Thanks,
Bart
>
> Hi
> I brought the plans for a fibreglass tank from Kerri-Ann Price they are
> very good and the tank should be quite a bit lighter just do a search on
> the name and you will find it.
> Carson
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4285#204285
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Hassel" <bob(at)cozyworld.net>
Subject: Interesting Piet cargo pod
Date: Sep 15, 2008
I'd want to make sure the laminar air-flow of the fuse wasn't messed up in
any way...
Bob
Santa Fe, NM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interesting Piet cargo pod
That's more like it!! I sure wouldn't want a non streamlined cargo pod
slowing my Piet down!
Gene N502R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 12:30 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Interesting Piet cargo pod
> <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
>
> The canard guys have had good luck with it.
>
> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/74/201693948_fd0ad08858.jpg?v=0
>
> Pat
>
>> Was just surfing the web for Pietenpol photos and came across an
>> interesting idea. This Pietenpol has what looks like a torpedo, but is
>> actually a cargo pod mounted below the fuselage. The description says it
>> is made of carbon fiber. Looks like a great way to carry a tent or any
>> other odd shaped items, for those trying to make the Air Camper live up
>> to
>> its name. Here's a link to the photo:
>>
>> http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/223082.html
>>
>> Of course, one would have to accept the fact that such an attachment
>> would
>> add a bit of drag to an otherwise sleek aircraft.
>>
>> Bill C.
>
>
> --
> Checked by AVG.
> 1:24 PM
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: johnwoods(at)westnet.com.au
Subject: Re: Vinyl Ester Resin
Date: Sep 16, 2008
Michael,
I was considering a "wet centre section" fuel tank using fibreglass
but was concerned about alcohol reacting with the resin. I read that
epoxy vinyl ester resin does not react with alcohol, and many other
compounds, so my plans are back on track (as long as the tank
temperature stays below 150 degF).
Here is a link showing what chemical resistance epoxy vinyl ester
resin has.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/chemical-resistance-vinyl-ester-d_78
5.html
Regards,
JohnW
>But the key to building a composite fuel tank that is compatible
with todays etahnol blend fuels is to use vinylester resin as this is
impervious to alcohols.
Michael in Maine
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 15, 2008
Subject: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank
Sure am glad you exhibited those humanoid characteristics when we loaded
"Blue Boy" at 25 below in sunny, beautiful west Minnesota.
Thanks again
David and Corky
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From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Interesting Piet cargo pod
Date: Sep 16, 2008
>It is not a cargo pod. In fact, I am quite sure it's a jettison fuel cell.
>How else is he going to get to Texas to dogfight Oscar?
No worries with the fast guys... they can only zoom by, helpless to get close enough
long enough to take a shot. It's the slow ones that can hang on your tail
that you have to worry about.
And I thought the nose of that pod swung away to reveal six insulated recesses
about the size of longneck bottles but I could be wrong.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From: RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 16, 2008
Subject: Re: Officially a Piet owner!
Now the parents can see what a real airplane is haha!
________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 16, 2008
Subject: Re: Officially a Piet owner!
Congratulations, she looks great, best of luck and enjoy! By all means enjoy!
John
In a message dated 9/16/2008 9:40:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jon95gt(at)hotmail.com writes:
Well I cut a check on Saturday and for the first time in my life I own an
airplane. I'm quite proud. My dad and I built an RV but it was the parents'
money. My dad and I went 1/2 and 1/2 on this little blue Piet. I've got a
really big grin on my face that I just can't wipe off. Now I have to get
checked out for a tailwheel. Luckily my old flight instructor owns a Champ.
Should be a lot of fun.
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Do not archive.
Jonathan - Happy to be part of the club. :)
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Subject: IKE update
Date: Sep 16, 2008
From: hvandervoo(at)aol.com
Pietenpol AirCamper NX15KV survived IKE without a Scratch.
Both house and hangar escaped damage too.
Water and power got restored last night, Internet is still down.
(message send from work)
I hope the other Pietenpolers around and in Houston fared as well as I
did.
Hans
NX15KV, Waller Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Officially a Piet owner!
Date: Sep 16, 2008
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <Michael.D.Cuy(at)nasa.gov>
John--
Congratulations on your new GN-1 Aircamper !
Mike C. in Ohio
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ed G." <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Officially a Piet owner!
Date: Sep 16, 2008
Very observant Mikey....I looked at the pics but didn't catch the fact that
it was a GN1.....
>From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <Michael.D.Cuy(at)nasa.gov>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Officially a Piet owner!
>Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:59:31 -0500
>
>John--
>
>Congratulations on your new GN-1 Aircamper !
>
>Mike C. in Ohio
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Officially a Piet owner!
Date: Sep 16, 2008
Hey, nice! Now maybe I missed it in your post, but where are you located? Other
low and slow fliers are interested to know so we can network.
And Mike wrote-
>We can all readTrade A Plane during the foul weather.
What's foul weather? Is that when the geese are on instruments? We don't get
much of that down here, but every now and then we get a swirly thing come in from
the Gulf...
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Officially a Piet owner!
Date: Sep 16, 2008
On Sep 16, 2008, at 5:07 PM, Jonathan Ragle wrote:
What Mikee is saying is that it is not a Pietenpol, but is a Grega
GN-1. Nothing wrong with that at but it ain't a Bernard Pietenpol type
Aircamper. Congrats on ownership. I jumped in the fray a few months
ago with a J-3.
TakeCare,
-john-
> Mike C. in Ohio
>
> Mike C, what is a GN-1? Long fuselage? And thanks!
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jonathan Ragle <jon95gt(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Officially a Piet owner!
Date: Sep 16, 2008
That's all well and good=2C I'm just curious - what changes are there? Whe
n I looked it up on the FAA site I'm pretty sure it said Piet=2C but you ca
n pretty much call a homebuilt whatever you want on paper.
Thanks=2C
Jon
From: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Officially a Piet owner!
Date: Tue=2C 16 Sep 2008 18:31:46 -0500
On Sep 16=2C 2008=2C at 5:07 PM=2C Jonathan Ragle wrote:
What Mikee is saying is that it is not a Pietenpol=2C but is a Grega GN-1.
Nothing wrong with that at but it ain't a Bernard Pietenpol type Aircamper.
Congrats on ownership. I jumped in the fray a few months ago with a J-3.
TakeCare=2C-john-
Mike C. in Ohio Mike C=2C what is a GN-1? Long fuselage? And th
anks!
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From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: will the real Pietenpol please stand up
Date: Sep 16, 2008
Sigh... here we go again... "what's the difference between a Pietenpol and a GN-1?"
I won't get into it this time; I sent Doc Mosher a very nice and informative
letter on the subject and he wrote an editorial about my letter on the BPA
News website. Enough said from my corner. All I was trying to do was give
due respect to both Mr. Pietenpol and Mr. Grega for their respective contributions
to our most enjoyable sport in both Air Campers and Aircampers, but then
again some people call any yellow airplane a "Cub" no matter what it really is.
For now suffice it to say that N83887 is registered as a "Pietenpol GN-1". Now
you talk about a hermaphrodite-! That's just about the same as saying your party
affiliation is "Democratic Republican" ;o)
Low 'n' slow forever! And welcome to the Texas Air Camper Organization (TACO)!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC (all Piet and proud of it)
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jonathan Ragle <jon95gt(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: will the real Pietenpol please stand up
Date: Sep 16, 2008
Sorry man!! Definately not trying to start a debate or war of any type. :
) I just looked it up again before getting on here and sure enough it's a
Pietenpol GN-1. So it's a hermie=2C not to worried about it. I did a bit
of research and found a few things about the GN-1. I should have known it
was a newbie question and done a search. My mistake!
Jonathan Ragle
Pietenpol GN-1 N83887 (Bastard child and OK with it)
Watauga=2C Texas
> From: taildrags(at)hotmail.com> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: P
ietenpol-List: will the real Pietenpol please stand up> Date: Tue=2C 16 Sep
> > > Sigh... here we go again... "what's the differ
ence between a Pietenpol and a GN-1?" I won't get into it this time=3B I se
nt Doc Mosher a very nice and informative letter on the subject and he wrot
e an editorial about my letter on the BPA News website. Enough said from my
corner. All I was trying to do was give due respect to both Mr. Pietenpol
and Mr. Grega for their respective contributions to our most enjoyable spor
t in both Air Campers and Aircampers=2C but then again some people call any
yellow airplane a "Cub" no matter what it really is.> > For now suffice it
to say that N83887 is registered as a "Pietenpol GN-1". Now you talk about
a hermaphrodite-! That's just about the same as saying your party affiliat
ion is "Democratic Republican" =3Bo)> > Low 'n' slow forever! And welcome t
o the Texas Air Camper Organization (TACO)!> > Oscar Zuniga> Air Camper NX4
1CC (all Piet and proud of it)> San Antonio=2C TX> mailto: taildrags@hotmai
========================> >
>
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Date: Sep 16, 2008
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Officially a Piet owner!
Jonathan,
Check out the FAQs at WestCoastPiet for a quick explanation of the
differences:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/faq%27s.htm
Either way, you should have plenty of fun with your new airplane. Good luck
hunting down the bloody Red Baron!
Ryan
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Jonathan Ragle wrote:
> That's all well and good, I'm just curious - what changes are there? When
> I looked it up on the FAA site I'm pretty sure it said Piet, but you can
> pretty much call a homebuilt whatever you want on paper.
>
> Thanks,
> Jon
>
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From: Roy Brooks <n900ml(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: will the real Pietenpol please stand up
Date: Sep 16, 2008
Hey... Coke=2C Pepsi -- Mr. Pibb or Dr. Pepper.
I'll sit on a tailgate and drink a different-brand soda with anybody and I
don't criticize them for the flavor they prefer. (Oscar calls me a woosie c
ause I like Corona=2C but that's just between two amigos...:) This Piet vs
GN thing brings us apart. I just call 'em Aircampers and hope for the best.
Now get this=2C the example I have (in progress and soon to go on Ebay) is
a Piet fuselage and a GN wing) I didn't start this=2C an A&P/AI who has a M
aster's Degree in an aeronautical field did=2C and whom was in the Air Forc
e as a B1 and a B2 maintenance officer. (Has more brains than me=2C so I su
spect he knows someting I didn't ? )
I guess my "AirCamper" is part Baptist=2C part Lutheran? ..... Either way (
Piet/GN or Baptist/Lutreran) I suspect we all touch-down on the same grass
strip in the end and that's really all that matters.
Sterling
the original TACO from El Paso
From: jon95gt(at)hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: will the real Pietenpol please stand up
Date: Tue=2C 16 Sep 2008 21:45:31 -0500
Sorry man!! Definately not trying to start a debate or war of any type. :
) I just looked it up again before getting on here and sure enough it's a
Pietenpol GN-1. So it's a hermie=2C not to worried about it. I did a bit
of research and found a few things about the GN-1. I should have known it
was a newbie question and done a search. My mistake!
Jonathan Ragle
Pietenpol GN-1 N83887 (Bastard child and OK with it)
Watauga=2C Texas
> From: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: will the real Pietenpol please stand up
> Date: Tue=2C 16 Sep 2008 20:45:46 -0500
>
>
>
>
> Sigh... here we go again... "what's the difference between a Pietenpol an
d a GN-1?" I won't get into it this time=3B I sent Doc Mosher a very nice a
nd informative letter on the subject and he wrote an editorial about my let
ter on the BPA News website. Enough said from my corner. All I was trying t
o do was give due respect to both Mr. Pietenpol and Mr. Grega for their res
pective contributions to our most enjoyable sport in both Air Campers and A
ircampers=2C but then again some people call any yellow airplane a "Cub" no
matter what it really is.
>
> For now suffice it to say that N83887 is registered as a "Pietenpol GN-1"
. Now you talk about a hermaphrodite-! That's just about the same as saying
your party affiliation is "Democratic Republican" =3Bo)
>
> Low 'n' slow forever! And welcome to the Texas Air Camper Organization (T
ACO)!
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC (all Piet and proud of it)
> San Antonio=2C TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysq===============
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From: "Steve Ruse" <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
Subject: Fly-In at McCaslin Field, Slaughterville, OK
Date: Sep 16, 2008
Piet Folks,
There are two grass-strip fly-ins scheduled at McCaslin Field this fall,
one for breakfast on September 27th and Lunch November 15th. Follow the
link below for details. I'd really like to see some other Piets there.
If you think you might come, please let me know, I'm trying to get a
rough head count.
McCaslin is a few miles south of Norman, OK. Identifier is Oscar44
(O44).
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flyin
Steve Ruse
405-209-9010
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Subject: Re: IKE update
Date: Sep 16, 2008
Hi friends, Glad to know that hvandervoo is ok so his plane...
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From: Jonathan Ragle <jon95gt(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Officially a Piet owner!
Date: Sep 17, 2008
Steve=2C
I'm not too worried about it. I bought it because I like it and the price
was right. I'm not worried about the pedigree and any history that goes al
ong with it is just a bonus. Sorry Bernie. I have to say this kind of rem
inds me of the automatic vs. manual transmission debate for drag cars. Jus
t a big 'ol can of worms and no right answer aside from "preferance".
Darryl is a very cool guy. Always willing to help and he knows his stuff.
He is finishing up the annual on the RV6A and then he is going to sell it
for us. Man=2C that 7 of his sure is a clean ride. I can't wait to see it
painted. The interior and the panel are absolutely sick. If you stop in
at his place in the next couple of months check out the 6A. I spent my for
mative years in its tail cone.
I'll get at you when I get my tailwheel endorsement and we will grab a hamb
urger somewhere. I would like to see another GN-1 also. Up to OK is a ple
asant little flight. I flew to Duncan in a Cessna 150 when I was a teenage
r. And thanks for the DFWpilots link. I=92ll have to check that out.
Jonathan
From: steve(at)wotelectronics.comTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re:
Pietenpol-List: Officially a Piet owner!Date: Tue=2C 16 Sep 2008 22:32:47 -
0500
Jonathan=2C
Congratulations from another GN-1 owner! I still call mine a Pietenpol bec
ause the way I figure it is 95% Piet=2C 5% Grega. Majority wins. Heck=2C
Bernard himself probably made more modifications to the original Piet desig
n than anyone else=2C I guess that makes him the worlds greatest purist and
greatest blasphemer at the same time. How many "original=2C true Pietenpo
ls" built in the last three decades have cotton cloth and the same type pai
nt Bernard used? Not many. Anyway=2C I'll shut up now=2C probably should'
ve done that several sentences ago.
I used to live in the DFW area=2C and kept my plane at Grayson County and M
eacham for a while. I flew it under the class B a lot=2C and at Meacham's
class D often. I stopped at MWL in it about 6 weeks ago to see Darryl at F
irebird Aviation. I have a good friend in Graham=2C so I fly it down there
fairly often.
There is a good group of local pilots at http://www.dfwpilots.com/board/
=2C you should check out the website sometime. We get together fairly regu
larly for fly-ins and such. I'd love to see another GN-1 sometime. They a
re a lot of fun. I bought mine in Indiana and flew it to Texas about 3.5 y
ears ago=2C and have put over 300 hours on it since. It is a great plane.
Steve Ruse
Norman=2C OK
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Ragle
Sent: Tuesday=2C September 16=2C 2008 8:38 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Officially a Piet owner!
Well I cut a check on Saturday and for the first time in my life I own an a
irplane. I'm quite proud. My dad and I built an RV but it was the parents
' money. My dad and I went 1/2 and 1/2 on this little blue Piet. I've got
a really big grin on my face that I just can't wipe off. Now I have to ge
t checked out for a tailwheel. Luckily my old flight instructor owns a Cha
mp. Should be a lot of fun. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/210649/7 Do not
archive. Jonathan - Happy to be part of the club. :)
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From: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
Subject: will the real Pietenpol please stand up
Date: Sep 17, 2008
> I guess my "AirCamper" is part Baptist, part Lutheran? .....
Maybe part Catholic, part Lutheran would be a better analogy.
Pat
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From: Roy Brooks <n900ml(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: will the real Pietenpol please stand up
Date: Sep 17, 2008
Hmmm? Part Episcopalian / part Catholic? or LDS / FLDS? .... I lived in
Salt Lake City briefly. "Flys Low=2C Delightly Slow" or "Low=2C Delicio
usly Slow"
Sterling
The Original TACO from El Paso
> From: panzera@experimental-aviation.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: will the real Pietenpol please stand up
> Date: Wed=2C 17 Sep 2008 10:11:09 -0700
>
ntal-aviation.com>
>
>
>
> > I guess my "AirCamper" is part Baptist=2C part Lutheran? .....
>
>
> Maybe part Catholic=2C part Lutheran would be a better analogy.
>
> Pat
>
>
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Subject: Epiglue: OK to use?
Date: Sep 19, 2008
Whilst searching for a local supplier of West Systems glue I came across a
product called Epiglue at my local marine supplier. It's advertised=2C for
marine applications=2C as being suitable for both above and below the wate
rline=2C therefore water proof with oil and petrol resistance and (I assume
) has bond strengths equal to any other such two part epoxy such as West Sy
stems. Does anyone know anything about this glue=2C whether aircraft have
been built using it=2C and any contraindications for its use?
Thanks
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Subject: Re: SkyCatcher crash
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 19, 2008
Seriously. China. :(
Read this topic online here:
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From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 19, 2008
Subject: Re: China SkyCatcher
Keep it up n900. I've been whistling that tune for years along with chain
stores.
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From: Roy Brooks <n900ml(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: China SkyCatcher
Date: Sep 19, 2008
In no way was I trying to suggest something coming from Canada was a slam..
. (Heck=2C I'm the biggest fan of Moosehead beer here in Texas!)
It's the fact that free democracies like USA and Canada are making China ve
ry rich and powerful=2C and China didn't allow American Navy ships a safe h
arbor last year when the Navy fleet was in the path of a nasty typhoon. Chi
na is using much of their wealth to build up their military. They won't all
ow Kodak film to be sold in China and many other products made in the USA c
an NOT be sold in China=2C yet the computer I am sending this e-mail on was
made in China. Now Cessna (a company I have long associated with Apple Pie
=2C Hot Dogs and Dorothy and Toto) is making airplanes in CHINA... :(
It's just upsetting that we in the States are buying so many things made in
China that used to be made here=2C and then so much of our imported oil co
mes from other countries who hate us too.
Now=2C if I can just figure out how to power my Continental A-80 engine on
ethenol made form corn grown in Kansas=2C I'd feel a lot better.
From: rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: China SkyCatcher
Date: Fri=2C 19 Sep 2008 17:27:04 -0400
Glad you did
not group us with China!
We do not do
very well protecting our selves. What is good for mult-national is not
always good for us. The Toyota I drive is built in Canada=2C no far from
where I live. Why? Because we had tariffs on foreign cars (except the US
with which we have had trade agreements for cars stretching back decades).
So the only way for them to sell in this market was to build some of the ca
rs
here.
Bob
do not
archive
-----Original
Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roy
Brooks
Sent: September 19=2C 2008 5:21 PM
pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: China
SkyCatcher
Cheap
Hindrance
In
No-way
Airworthy
I bought a can of
Libby's Green Beans recently. THEY WERE MADE IN CHINA (if you don't belie
ve
me=2C go buy a can of Libbys Green Beans)
My socks were made in China=2C my
hand-lotion is made in China=2C my power-tools (except the really old one
s) are
made in China.
My 2004 Chevrolet Silverado is made in another "C"
country=2C however it's one of our neighbors I like=2C Canada...
Between
$700 billion in US dollars going to foreign oil imports=2C billions more
going
to China for the goods we purchase... who here in the USA has a job makin
g
anything these days?
I'm so hacked off at Cessna=2C I'm trying to make an
acronym for
C
E
S
S
N
A
At least my 1967 Cessna
was made in Kansas and at least 98% of all Pietenpols are handmade in the
USA
or UK or Canada...
> Date: Fri=2C 19 Sep 2008 13:08:46
> From: ashcan(at)earthlink.net
> To:
pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SkyCatcher
crash
>
>
> With the mechanical tolerances
I've seen on a good number of the Chinese-manufactured things I've got=2C
I'm
surprised it actually got into the air in the first place.
>
>
Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Rick Holland
> >Sent: Sep 19=2C 2008 12:23 PM
>
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List:
SkyCatcher crash
> >
> >A Cessna SkyCatcher crashed
yesterday=2C fortunately no one was hurt (pilot
> >parachuted out).
Since the SkyCatcher (always thought that was a stupid
> >name) is
made in China word is that I contained too much lead and was
>
>therefore too heavy to stay in the air.
> >
> >do not
archive
> >
> >--
> >Rick Holland
> >Cas=
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From: Jonathan Ragle <jon95gt(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: China SkyCatcher
Date: Sep 19, 2008
Well=2C my job is to service machines that make bottles for several dozen b
rands of bottled water. So I make bottles here in America (sort of).
The P.E.T. resin that we make them out of on the other hand... well=2C it's
from China.
From: n900ml(at)hotmail.comTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Pietenpol-
List: China SkyCatcherDate: Fri=2C 19 Sep 2008 16:21:28 -0500
CheapHindranceInNo-wayAirworthyI bought a can of Libby's Green Beans recent
ly. THEY WERE MADE IN CHINA (if you don't believe me=2C go buy a can of Lib
bys Green Beans)My socks were made in China=2C my hand-lotion is made in Ch
ina=2C my power-tools (except the really old ones) are made in China.My 200
4 Chevrolet Silverado is made in another "C" country=2C however it's one of
our neighbors I like=2C Canada...Between $700 billion in US dollars going
to foreign oil imports=2C billions more going to China for the goods we pur
chase... who here in the USA has a job making anything these days?I'm so ha
cked off at Cessna=2C I'm trying to make an acronym forCESSNAAt least my 19
67 Cessna was made in Kansas and at least 98% of all Pietenpols are handmad
e in the USA or UK or Canada... > Date: Fri=2C 19 Sep 2008 13:08:46 -0400>
From: ashcan(at)earthlink.net> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: Re:
im Ash > > With the mechanical tolerances I've seen o
n a good number of the Chinese-manufactured things I've got=2C I'm surprise
d it actually got into the air in the first place.> > Jim> > -----Original
Message-----> >From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>> >Sent: Sep 19=2C 20
08 12:23 PM> >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: S
kyCatcher crash> >> >A Cessna SkyCatcher crashed yesterday=2C fortunately n
o one was hurt (pilot> >parachuted out). Since the SkyCatcher (always thoug
ht that was a stupid> >name) is made in China word is that I contained too
much lead and was> >therefore too heavy to stay in the air.> >> >do not arc
hive> >> >-- > >Rick Holland> >Cas= Archive Search & Download=2C 7-Day Br
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From: Roy Brooks <n900ml(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US
Date: Sep 19, 2008
My suspected enemies list Russia=2C China=2C Iran=2C etc
I lived in Russia in 1989=2C before the fall of The Iron Curtain and while
I like Russians=2C I am HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS of their leadership. Putin has ki
lled journalists who wrote unflattering articles about him and then of cour
se he poisoned a former KGB spy in London 4 years ago with something along
the lines of plutonium (dumped in his soup in a London restaurant ). And th
e new guy who replaced Putin and invaded Georgia=2C he would LOVE to start-
up the Cold War again. Ahhh=2C the good old days =3B)
I'd suggest adding Venezuela and North Korea (especially now that Kim Jung
il is out of the picture and the military is taking over).
Algeria=2C Libya could almost be on this list=2C as well as the Saudis.
Unfortunately I still have to buy Chinese made goods. They are the only thi
ng out there.
For this=2C I would normally say we need to contact our elected officials a
nd tell them STOP THE BLOOD-LETTING of US dollars going to China... but I h
ave lost so much faith in our Congress because former members of Congress n
ow lobby for China. China's influence in Washington and corporate America i
s amazing=2C but then again we as consumers go to Sears and we buy the $36
drill (made in China) over the $50 drill made in Wisconsin.
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From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Sep 19, 2008
Subject: Re: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US
Believe it or not I would buy a $50 US made drill over a $36 Chinese drill. But
I can't find the $50 US Drill. I bought a Leaf blower made in Thailand ( the
spelling on that does not look right) because it was the only non Chinese blower
at Lowes. I felt very patriotic (I am very happy with it.)
Blue Skies and Buy American
----- Original Message -----
From: Roy Brooks <n900ml(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Friday, September 19, 2008 18:09
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US
>
> My suspected enemies list Russia, China, Iran, etc
>
> I lived in Russia in 1989, before the fall of The Iron Curtain and
> while I like Russians, I am HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS of their leadership.
> Putin has killed journalists who wrote unflattering articles about
> him and then of course he poisoned a former KGB spy in London 4
> years ago with something along the lines of plutonium (dumped in
> his soup in a London restaurant ). And the new guy who replaced
> Putin and invaded Georgia, he would LOVE to start-up the Cold War
> again. Ahhh, the good old days ;)
>
> I'd suggest adding Venezuela and North Korea (especially now that
> Kim Jung il is out of the picture and the military is taking
> over).
> Algeria, Libya could almost be on this list, as well as the Saudis.
>
> Unfortunately I still have to buy Chinese made goods. They are the
> only thing out there.
> For this, I would normally say we need to contact our elected
> officials and tell them STOP THE BLOOD-LETTING of US dollars going
> to China... but I have lost so much faith in our Congress because
> former members of Congress now lobby for China. China's influence
> in Washington and corporate America is amazing, but then again we
> as consumers go to Sears and we buy the $36 drill (made in China)
> over the $50 drill made in Wisconsin.
>
>
>
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 20, 2008
Subject: Re: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US
Hi Guys,
Just today I was trying to carve my prop. The first step is to horse most of
the material off with an electric chain saw. So I bought a Chinese model
from Harbor Freight. After only about 30 minutes of use, the thing came to a
screeching halt. Investigation revealed that the bearings got so hot that the
plastic housing melted. What a bunch of crap! I should have listened to my old
A&P instructor, L.B. Applegate, when he said "there is nothing more expensive
than cheap tools".
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From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US
I had something like that happen to me but it was because I forgot to put o
il in the gas. =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "HelsperSew@
aol.com" =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sa
turday, September 20, 2008 6:10:54 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: China
SkyCatcher OT Buy US=0A=0AHi Guys,=0A=0AJust today I was trying to carve my
prop. The first step is to horse most of the material off with an electric
-chain saw. So I bought a Chinese model from Harbor Freight. After only a
bout 30 minutes of use, the thing came to a screeching halt. Investigation
revealed that the bearings got so hot that the plastic housing melted. What
a bunch of crap! I should have listened to my old A&P instructor, L.B. App
legate, when he said "there is nothing more expensive than cheap tools".
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From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US
Dan,
We had a similarly frustrating experience with one of their crappy tools. We
picked up the 40 lb pressurized blaster they sell. We needed to do (still
need to do) some blasting of various engine parts; it was on sale, so I
thought we'd give it a shot. I knew everything they sold was pretty well
throw away stuff, but how bad could a blaster be? No moving parts, no
motors, etc. Just a valve to turn it off and on.
It came disassembled. No big deal. I put it together using plenty of teflon
tape, and applying more than enough torque to the numerous valve bodies,
manifolds, fittings, hoses, etc. I put the air to it and it leaked like a
seize from damn near everywhere. It even leaked air profusely from around
the bell jar shaped housing that attached to the main body of the air
separator (because of being so poorly manufactured). I could try to chase
all the leaks out of it, but the air separator was still completely junk and
was not going to seal up. I boxed the whole mess back up and we returned it.
Very frustrating day.
Good luck on your search for a decent saw. Have a good morning,
Ryan
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 5:10 AM, wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> Just today I was trying to carve my prop. The first step is to horse most
> of the material off with an electric chain saw. So I bought a Chinese model
> from Harbor Freight. After only about 30 minutes of use, the thing came to a
> screeching halt. Investigation revealed that the bearings got so hot that
> the plastic housing melted. What a bunch of crap! I should have listened to
> my old A&P instructor, L.B. Applegate, when he said "there is nothing more
> expensive than cheap tools".
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Greensboro, NC Pietenpols
Date: Sep 20, 2008
I keep forgetting, is anyone close to Greensboro NC? I have to sit
there all day tomorrow and would like to find someone to visit.
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 20, 2008
From: "Lloyd Smith" <lesmith240(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Greensboro, NC Pietenpols
jack Phillips isin Raleigh, but he may be in VA during the weekend working
on his new home.
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Gene Rambo wrote:
> I keep forgetting, is anyone close to Greensboro NC? I have to sit there
> all day tomorrow and would like to find someone to visit.
>
> Gene
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US
From: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 20, 2008
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Sep 20, 2008
Subject: Re: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US
Tools burning up are common for Harbour Freight tools. That is why you can just
take them back for a replacement so easy. Of course the next one may burn up
also. Yeah they are cheep.
Blue skies.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:07
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US
> Truth is you go harbor freight for throw away tools. Cheap and
> never take up space in your shop fortunately the also sell trash
> cans to transport the tools to the curb
>
> John
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Ryan Mueller" <
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 06:59:25
> To: <
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US
>
>
> Dan,
>
> We had a similarly frustrating experience with one of their crappy tools. We
> picked up the 40 lb pressurized blaster they sell. We needed to do (still
> need to do) some blasting of various engine parts; it was on sale, so I
> thought we'd give it a shot. I knew everything they sold was pretty well
> throw away stuff, but how bad could a blaster be? No moving parts, no
> motors, etc. Just a valve to turn it off and on.
>
> It came disassembled. No big deal. I put it together using plenty of teflon
> tape, and applying more than enough torque to the numerous valve bodies,
> manifolds, fittings, hoses, etc. I put the air to it and it leaked like a
> seize from damn near everywhere. It even leaked air profusely from around
> the bell jar shaped housing that attached to the main body of the air
> separator (because of being so poorly manufactured). I could try to chase
> all the leaks out of it, but the air separator was still completely junk and
> was not going to seal up. I boxed the whole mess back up and we returned it.
> Very frustrating day.
>
> Good luck on your search for a decent saw. Have a good morning,
>
> Ryan
>
> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 5:10 AM, < wrote:
>
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > Just today I was trying to carve my prop. The first step is to horse most
> > of the material off with an electric chain saw. So I bought a Chinese model
> > from Harbor Freight. After only about 30 minutes of use, the thing came to
a
> > screeching halt. Investigation revealed that the bearings got so hot that
> > the plastic housing melted. What a bunch of crap! I should have listened to
> > my old A&P instructor, L.B. Applegate, when he said "there is nothing more
> > expensive than cheap tools".
> > Dan Helsper
> > Poplar Grove, IL
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 20, 2008
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Paper cutter source
I'm trying to locate a paper cutter, to use for cutting up gussets. I'm
hoping to find a plain old used paper cutter along the lines of the simple,
hefty units they used to have in schools, offices, etc. I would think there
would be plenty of surplus used ones out there, but I'm coming up empty on
where to find them. The office supply mega-stores have paper cutters, but
usually only a handful of models. They're either ridiculously expensive, or
not worth the cheap Chinese plastic they're made out of ($32 for a junk unit
that is almost lighter than the box and styrofoam it is packed in). The used
office supply places I've called around to seem to only deal with furniture
(desks, filing cabinets, etc). Any suggestions?
Ryan
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Paper cutter source
Date: Sep 20, 2008
Ryan:
Try ebay for used ones??
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
I'm trying to locate a paper cutter, to use for cutting up gussets.
I'm hoping to find a plain old used paper cutter along the lines of the
simple, hefty units they used to have in schools, offices, etc.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Paper cutter source
Date: Sep 20, 2008
Hi Ryan,
I had the same problem - got one of the plastic ones & it only worked
so-so to crappy. I think the only place to find one of the old,
good ones is if you had an '"in" at a public school that had one
squirreled away in storage. What I wound up doing was getting an old
scroll saw (jigsaw?? - the benchtop thing, not the hand-held type) at
a garage sale for $5 & clamping a straight piece of wood to it as a
fence. Works really fast & you can stack 3-4 pieces of wood to make
it go even faster. It's real easy to make short straight cuts on any
odd-shaped pieces as well. Of course, if you already have a bandsaw,
it can do the same job as the jigsaw.
Kip Gardner
On Sep 20, 2008, at 9:38 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> I'm trying to locate a paper cutter, to use for cutting up gussets.
> I'm hoping to find a plain old used paper cutter along the lines of
> the simple, hefty units they used to have in schools, offices, etc.
> I would think there would be plenty of surplus used ones out there,
> but I'm coming up empty on where to find them. The office supply
> mega-stores have paper cutters, but usually only a handful of
> models. They're either ridiculously expensive, or not worth the
> cheap Chinese plastic they're made out of ($32 for a junk unit that
> is almost lighter than the box and styrofoam it is packed in). The
> used office supply places I've called around to seem to only deal
> with furniture (desks, filing cabinets, etc). Any suggestions?
>
> Ryan
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jose Soto" <jsoto5(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Paper cutter source
Date: Sep 20, 2008
Hi Ryan, from my R/C modeling, I have some friends that have laser cutting
equipment and I am going to try to set up all of the gussets on a CAD file
to see how they turn out. I'll let you know, Jose
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 9:38 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Paper cutter source
I'm trying to locate a paper cutter, to use for cutting up gussets. I'm h
oping to find a plain old used paper cutter along the lines of the simple,
hefty units they used to have in schools, offices, etc. I would think there
would be plenty of surplus used ones out there, but I'm coming up empty on
where to find them. The office supply mega-stores have paper cutters, but
usually only a handful of models. They're either ridiculously expensive, or
not worth the cheap Chinese plastic they're made out of ($32 for a junk un
it that is almost lighter than the box and styrofoam it is packed in). The
used office supply places I've called around to seem to only deal with furn
iture (desks, filing cabinets, etc). Any suggestions?
Ryan
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 20, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Paper cutter source
Ryan, here is what I found real quick on the internet:
-
http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/330379/GBC-GT-II-Series-Trimmer-12/
I found out that thesetype cutters are called "Arm Cutters."- I don't kno
w how much you want to spend, but this one looks to be a lot like the one I
used in my HINT video with the wood base and steel arm.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 20, 2008
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Paper cutter source
Michael,
Thanks for the link. As luck would have it, this is an online only item. I
was hoping to find something locally. The two Office Depot's I've been to
thus far only stock two cutters. They are made by the same company, GBC, and
are absolutely worthless (one is at the same price point). I'm a bit
hesitant to order one of their products sight unseen, especially with it
being at the same price point as one of their other worthless products, and
then have to send it back because it is also junk.
In searching around since my initial email I actually did find one, in the
style I am looking for. The Michigan State University Surplus Store has a
website, where they dispose of their...well, surplus stuff. They had two
used 16" cutters, the older heavy duty style, for $29.99 each. East Lansing
is not too far away from Chicago, so after $11 for shipping I have what I
wanted for about $40.
Thanks for your help. Enjoy your weekend,
Ryan
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
> Ryan, here is what I found real quick on the internet:
>
> http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/330379/GBC-GT-II-Series-Trimmer-12/
> I found out that thesetype cutters are called "Arm Cutters." I don't know
> how much you want to spend, but this one looks to be a lot like the one I
> used in my HINT video with the wood base and steel arm.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jonathan Ragle <jon95gt(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US
Date: Sep 20, 2008
Oddly after building 2 aluminum airplanes the belt sander=2C 2 wheel grinde
r=2C and drill press that my dad bought 10 years ago from HF are still goin
g strong. Total investment: $150.
Jon> From: steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> D
even D MAJ NG NG NGB" > > Tools burning up are
common for Harbour Freight tools. That is why you can just take them back
for a replacement so easy. Of course the next one may burn up also. Yeah th
ey are cheep.> > Blue skies.> Steve> > ----- Original Message -----> From:
amsafetyc(at)aol.com> Date: Saturday=2C September 20=2C 2008 8:07> Subject: Re
: Pietenpol-List: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.
com> > > > Truth is you go harbor freight for throw away tools. Cheap and >
> never take up space in your shop fortunately the also sell trash > > can
s to transport the tools to the curb> > > > John> > Sent from my Verizon Wi
reless BlackBerry> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: "Ryan Mueller"
<> > > > Date: Sat=2C 20 Sep 2008 06:59:25 > > To: <> > Subject: Re: Piete
npol-List: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US> > > > > > Dan=2C> > > > We had a sim
ilarly frustrating experience with one of their crappy tools. We> > picked
up the 40 lb pressurized blaster they sell. We needed to do (still> > need
to do) some blasting of various engine parts=3B it was on sale=2C so I> > t
hought we'd give it a shot. I knew everything they sold was pretty well> >
throw away stuff=2C but how bad could a blaster be? No moving parts=2C no>
> motors=2C etc. Just a valve to turn it off and on.> > > > It came disasse
mbled. No big deal. I put it together using plenty of teflon> > tape=2C and
applying more than enough torque to the numerous valve bodies=2C> > manifo
lds=2C fittings=2C hoses=2C etc. I put the air to it and it leaked like a>
> seize from damn near everywhere. It even leaked air profusely from around
> > the bell jar shaped housing that attached to the main body of the air>
> separator (because of being so poorly manufactured). I could try to chase
> > all the leaks out of it=2C but the air separator was still completely j
unk and> > was not going to seal up. I boxed the whole mess back up and we
returned it.> > Very frustrating day.> > > > Good luck on your search for a
decent saw. Have a good morning=2C> > > > Ryan> > > > On Sat=2C Sep 20=2C
2008 at 5:10 AM=2C < wrote:> > > > > Hi Guys=2C> > >> > > Just today I was
trying to carve my prop. The first step is to horse most> > > of the materi
al off with an electric chain saw. So I bought a Chinese model> > > from Ha
rbor Freight. After only about 30 minutes of use=2C the thing came to a> >
> screeching halt. Investigation revealed that the bearings got so hot that
> > > the plastic housing melted. What a bunch of crap! I should have liste
ned to> > > my old A&P instructor=2C L.B. Applegate=2C when he said "there
is nothing more> > > expensive than cheap tools".> > > Dan Helsper> > > Pop
========================> _
================> > >
_________________________________________________________________
See how Windows connects the people=2C information=2C and fun that are part
of your life.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Paper cutter source
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 20, 2008
I found 2 cutters ( Old Style ) at St Vinnies, and put them on the shelf to sell
for $3.00 each, they were sold in a day. will keep my eyes open for future donations,
By the way I cut gussets with a heavy duty scissors Bent No 9 by Fiskars
Pieti Lowell
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5321#205321
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 20, 2008
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Paper cutter source/rib question
Lowell,
My wife's grandmother has an old pair of scissors she uses to cut pizzas
with. They are enormous, and sharp. Those (or in this case something along
those lines) would have worked as well. I think the cutter I found will work
well too, for a minimal investment.
A question for you about the Riblett. I have Bill Rewey's print. I was
double checking my gusset count last night, and came up with a question.
There is a diagonal at the rear of the rib. It's between the "aileron beam"
and the trailing edge. I would assume this only goes on aileron ribs. It
looks like it was originally a top and bottom gusset on this diagonal
member. These lines have been scratched out and Bill has drawn in one larger
rectangular gusset to cover the whole shape. Am I reading that correctly?
Then I wondered....if building the wing (and thusly the ailerons) to the
plans when using the Riblett, what purpose does that aileron diagonal serve?
The Piet plans show a 1/2" spruce brace that bolts to the aileron horn, that
would be roughly in the same position as that aileron diagonal. What am I
missing here?
Ryan
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Pieti Lowell wrote:
> Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
>
> I found 2 cutters ( Old Style ) at St Vinnies, and put them on the shelf to
> sell for $3.00 each, they were sold in a day. will keep my eyes open for
> future donations, By the way I cut gussets with a heavy duty scissors Bent
> No 9 by Fiskars
> Pieti Lowell
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5321#205321
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 21, 2008
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US
HF tools should be considered kits, despite the premise under which they're sold.
I tend to do a lot of metal work, and there are always mixed reviews from the metal
guys. There are apparently e-groups for those with the little 7x10 lathes
to discuss the various requirements to turn one into a precision tool. It can
be done, but don't expect it right out of the gate (or box).
I bought their little metal-cutting bandsaw a few years ago but just pulled it
out of the box and set it up a couple months ago. I've used it in both the horizontal
and vertical positions. Yeah, it needs a few tweaks. The blade supplied
looked like it was an exercise from the first day of somebody's welding class.
I threw it aside and bought a couple bi-metallics from McMaster-Call. The new
blade cuts really well in it. For $169 at the time, you can't beat the price.
I don't expect it to perform like a $700 saw, but this is hobby work and I
cant justify the $700 for as much as I do. Sometime when I'm that motivated, I'll
fix some of the less-significant problems.
I also bought their English wheel (with the anvil set) and their bead roller. I
diddled with the e-wheel, but I can't/won't do any serious work with it until
I straighten it out. The adjuster column is poorly designed and implemented (and
loose), and will need reworking to meet my standards. The e-wheel anvils and
bead-roller dies both still have the tooling marks on them, so I'll chuck them
up in my (American made) lathe and polish them smooth. But three years ago,
I bought a 3' rod of 3" dia 4140 with the intention of whacking it up into 3"
chunks and making my own e-wheel anvils and e-wheel. That rod cost me more than
the anvil set from HF, so even if they're not finished, they put me more ahead
of the game than machining my own from scratch. The HF anvils are full-radius
without any flats, so I haven't decided if I'm going to adjust their profiles
or just leave them when that time comes. For the 80 or 90 dollars, I might
just pick up another set and put together a set of each.
Similar stories with similar HF tools abound.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jonathan Ragle <jon95gt(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Sep 20, 2008 1:59 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US
>
>
>Oddly after building 2 aluminum airplanes the belt sander, 2 wheel grinder, and
drill press that my dad bought 10 years ago from HF are still going strong.
Total investment: $150.
>
rator wa
s still completely junk and> > was not going to seal up. I boxed the whole mess
back up and we returned it.> > Very frustrating day.> > > > Good luck on your
search for a decent saw. Have a good morning,> > > > Ryan> > > > On Sat, Sep
20, 2008 at 5:10 AM, < wrote:> > > > > Hi Guys,> > >> > > Just today I was trying
to carve my prop. The first step is to horse most> > > of the material off
with an electric chain saw. So I bought a Chinese model> > > from Harbor Freight.
After only about 30 minutes of use, the thing came to a> > > screeching halt.
Investigation revealed that the bearings got so hot that> > > the plastic
housing melted. What a bunch of crap! I should have listened to> > > my old A&P
instructor, L.B. Applegate, when he said "there is nothing more> > > expensive
than cheap tools".> > > Dan Helsper> > > Pop========================> _================>
> >
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Date: Sep 21, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Paper cutter source
Glad it worked out for you. You'll be mass producing gussets in no time!
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 21, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Paper cutter source/rib question
Ryan, I have the Riblett plan from Roman, the 612 type.
-
What I have and it may be shown somewhere on my HINT DVD, is this:
-
Where the rib and the would-be aileron separate, there is a 1/2" vertical p
iece. This is the end of the rib itself, where the hinges will mount. Shown
for location purposes only...not built as part of the rib build.
-
Further back, towards the trailing edge of the rib, is another 1/2" thick b
eam. This one is angled forward. This is the aileron beam and makes up the
front edge of the aileron itself.-Here is where the other end of the hing
e mounts. This is shown- for location purposes and is not part of the rib
build as well.
-
Further back still is a short vertical piece of cap strip, held in place wi
th two small gussets. This piece is only used on the end ribs. (Total of 6
end ribs if making the 3 piece wing.)
-
The whole rib, when built and taken off of the jig will only have 1/2" X 1/
4" cap strip and gussets. The only 1/2" thick piece will be on the front wh
ere the leading edge will eventually attach to.
-
So, on my Riblett, for non-end ribs, towards the rear of the rib, is that l
ong angled capstan that goes from the top of the rear spar to the bottom of
the rib...about 11" long. From that point back, there are no more supports
.
-
As I said, you may be able to see this is my video. The picture at the end
of the video with the rib on the floor...that is an end rib with all the ex
tra braces.
-
Long winded response...hope it was useful.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: TBYH(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 21, 2008
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 09/19/08
Well, my Pietenpol is being built right here in the good old US of A! And I
know that the wood and Model A engine were "grown" here, too!
Fred B.
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From: <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: New pictures
Date: Sep 21, 2008
I have finaly found the time to add some pictures Bill Church sent me of
Brodhead 2008. See http://westcoastpiet.com/brodhead_2008.htm
Also I added pictures taken by Ryan Mueller of Kurt Shipman's Piet .
http://westcoastpiet.com/kirt_shipman.htm
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 21, 2008
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Paper cutter source/rib question
Michael,
Definitely useful. You have helped cleared my mental block on the issue.
Putting the short vertical capstrip piece in the four root ribs (wing root
and center section) makes sense. However, putting it into the two outboard
wing ribs raises another question.
On Drawing Sheet 5 of the Pietenpol plans (the wing sheet), in the side view
of the aileron assembly, there is a 1/2" vertical brace shown in the aft
part of the aileron. There is a tab welded onto the aileron horn that bolts
to this 1/2" brace. Looking at the top view of the entire wing assembly, it
would appear that this brace runs the length of the aileron, through all of
the "rib ends" that make up the aileron. This brace occupies a position 6
1/4" to 6 3/4" from the trailing edge of the aileron. If the short vertical
capstrip piece is put into the outboard wing ribs, the gussets would
interfere with the 1/2" brace. The brace would have to be moved
approximately 5/16" aft to clear the gussets in that case (and a longer tab
welded onto the aileron horn). Is that what you are doing? I would think
that leaving that short vertical capstrip out of the outboard wing ribs
wouldn't weaken them, as the 1/2" brace would be providing additional
support in that area. Your thoughts?
Ryan
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
> Ryan, I have the Riblett plan from Roman, the 612 type.
>
> What I have and it may be shown somewhere on my HINT DVD, is this:
>
> Where the rib and the would-be aileron separate, there is a 1/2" vertical
> piece. This is the end of the rib itself, where the hinges will mount. Shown
> for location purposes only...not built as part of the rib build.
>
> Further back, towards the trailing edge of the rib, is another 1/2" thick
> beam. This one is angled forward. This is the aileron beam and makes up the
> front edge of the aileron itself. Here is where the other end of the hinge
> mounts. This is shown for location purposes and is not part of the rib
> build as well.
>
> Further back still is a short vertical piece of cap strip, held in place
> with two small gussets. This piece is only used on the end ribs. (Total of 6
> end ribs if making the 3 piece wing.)
>
> The whole rib, when built and taken off of the jig will only have 1/2" X
> 1/4" cap strip and gussets. The only 1/2" thick piece will be on the front
> where the leading edge will eventually attach to.
>
> So, on my Riblett, for non-end ribs, towards the rear of the rib, is that
> long angled capstan that goes from the top of the rear spar to the bottom of
> the rib...about 11" long. From that point back, there are no more supports.
>
> As I said, you may be able to see this is my video. The picture at the end
> of the video with the rib on the floor...that is an end rib with all the
> extra braces.
>
> Long winded response...hope it was useful.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 21, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Paper cutter source/rib question
Ryan, good catch. I have not looked into the aileron construction that clos
e as of yet. I see exactly what you are talking about.
-
>From what I see on the Piet wing page you mentioned, there are 6 ribs that
make up the aileron. That 1/2" thick brace runs the length of the aileron t
hrough each rib within the aileron. The only rib assembly, as removed from
the jig, with that vertical cap strip in question would be the end rib just
before the wing tip. I see no issue with leaving that piece out all togeth
er and having the 1/2" piece that that runs the length of the aileron take
its place. In other words, you already had the answer...leave out the short
cap strip on the end ribs and use the full length 1/2" piece in its place.
-
Also keep in mind that most people, myself included, use a full piece of 1/
16" plywood on the outer side of the end ribs. This will give you added sup
port as well as a good, solid, flat area to attach fabric. With the piece w
ing, I will need a total of 6 end ribs. 4 of these will have the solid ply
on one side of the entire rib. (You only gusset one side, the other is the
full ply sheet.) These will be the sides of the center section as well as t
he root part of each wing that attaches to the center section. The outer en
d ribs, just before the wing tips, will have the same braces as the other e
nd ribs, but not the ply sheet. Because of the wing tip itself, the fabric
does not get directly attached to the flat rib. The ribs that get the full
sheet of ply need to be made as LEFT or RIGHT ribs. I will be making 2 RIGH
T and 2 LEFT with the ply sheet on the appropriate side of the ribs.
-
Make sense or am I babbling?
-
-
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: new photos
Date: Sep 21, 2008
Guys:
I finally got my airplane up on the gear and outside for the first time
today. Attached are a couple of photos (if they work) to show the
current state. I ran out of the right sized screws for the elevator
hinges or they would be attached as well.
I would have made a little more progress before photographing, but
yesterday the firewall got away from me and now I have five stitches
across the back of my knee/calf.
I AM going to make Brodhead next year . . . with or without Mikey's
help!!
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gardiner Mason" <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank
Date: Sep 21, 2008
Maybe you can find the drawing for a Tiger Moth fuel tank somewhere.
Gardiner.
----- Original Message -----
From: <boilerup(at)ndwave.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 4:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank
>
> Does anyone have or now where to get a drawing for a wing mounted aluminum
> fuel tank?
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 21, 2008
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: new photos
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jose Soto" <jsoto5(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: new photos
Date: Sep 21, 2008
It's a shame to cover such beautiful workmanship!Great job Gene!
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 5:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: new photos
Guys:
I finally got my airplane up on the gear and outside for the first time t
oday. Attached are a couple of photos (if they work) to show the current s
tate. I ran out of the right sized screws for the elevator hinges or they
would be attached as well.
I would have made a little more progress before photographing, but yester
day the firewall got away from me and now I have five stitches across the b
ack of my knee/calf.
I AM going to make Brodhead next year . . . with or without Mikey's help!
!
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: questions for group
Date: Sep 21, 2008
Now that I have gear, I began to look for shock cord. I know I can buy
it from AS&S, but just for temporary use, I had thought that Home Depot
or Lowe's carried bulk cord, but no such luck. For now, I cut the ends
off some short cords and used them. Is there some other source I am
overlooking? I am OK ordering from AS&S, but was wondering, what size
cord are most of you using? Also, Approximately how long is the piece
for each side?
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 21, 2008
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank
Congrats, Gardiner, on getting an email through!
If you cannot find a drawing, then just make a mock-up and use that to build
your tank. Once you build your wing/center section, use poster board or
cardboard to build your "tank" in place. Then you have a full size model of
what you need to build.
Ryan
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Gardiner Mason wrote:
> airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
>
> Maybe you can find the drawing for a Tiger Moth fuel tank somewhere.
> Gardiner.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <boilerup(at)ndwave.com>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 4:56 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank
>
>
>>
>> Does anyone have or now where to get a drawing for a wing mounted aluminum
>> fuel tank?
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: questions for group
Date: Sep 21, 2008
Gene,
I'm not sure about alternate sources but NX18235 uses 1/2" cord, about 7
feet per side.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 4:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: questions for group
Now that I have gear, I began to look for shock cord. I know I can
buy it from AS&S, but just for temporary use, I had thought that Home
Depot or Lowe's carried bulk cord, but no such luck. For now, I cut the
ends off some short cords and used them. Is there some other source I
am overlooking? I am OK ordering from AS&S, but was wondering, what
size cord are most of you using? Also, Approximately how long is the
piece for each side?
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 22, 2008
Subject: Re: questions for group-shock cord
Gene,
McMaster-Carr Supply has all kind of shock cord in various sizes any length
you want by the foot. They have a very detailed catalog on line. That's where
I got mine. I sold some off my roll to Santiago when he was here.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: Jonathan Ragle <jon95gt(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: The "America"
Date: Sep 22, 2008
Where are their grandkids... or great grandkids for that matter? Don't the
y know that if they don't teach the little ones to love antique flying it w
ill die with them? :(
Sweet airboat though. :)
Date: Sun=2C 21 Sep 2008 19:10:05 -0500From: rmueller23(at)gmail.comTo: pieten
pol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Pietenpol-List: The "America"
Off-topic=2C but of interest to those that like antique/classic aircraft...
.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_1Z_wxA2CYThe Curtiss "America"=2C a rep
lica of the first twin engined flying boat. Apparently it was designed with
the intent of crossing the Atlantic. Twin OX-5's sound VERY nice!Ryando no
t archive
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Subject: Re: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Date: Sep 22, 2008
I have found that Harbor Freight stuff has been fine for things where precision
doesn't matter. For example, my metal bandsaw from HF is great, used it quite
a bit and no complaints. I also have their dust collector (which really helps
keep the mess from the planer, jointer and router under control) and it too
works like a charm.
...but things like the planer, and jointer, I went top shelf or at least with what
got good online reviews. You can always Google "reviews" and the name of
the tool your thinking about. There's a strong likelihood that if the tool is
junk, you can learn from the frustration of others. If a tool stinks there is
probably somebody screaming about it on-line. The alternative is Grizzly or
Northern Tool which are slightly more expensive but seem to be a better source
of tools.
So, is HF a source of nothing but junk? No. Just do some research and you will
usually be able to accurately set expectations on quality and performance.
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5500#205500
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 22, 2008
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: new photos
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jonathan Ragle <jon95gt(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: new photos
Date: Sep 22, 2008
It's just so beautiful. Damned shame you have to cover it with fabric.
From: generambo(at)msn.comTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Pietenpol-L
ist: new photosDate: Sun=2C 21 Sep 2008 17:01:19 -0400
Guys:
I finally got my airplane up on the gear and outside for the first time tod
ay. Attached are a couple of photos (if they work) to show the current sta
te. I ran out of the right sized screws for the elevator hinges or they wo
uld be attached as well.
I would have made a little more progress before photographing=2C but yester
day the firewall got away from me and now I have five stitches across the b
ack of my knee/calf.
I AM going to make Brodhead next year . . . with or without Mikey's help!!
Gene
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Date: Sep 22, 2008
From: <billmz(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: alternate source of bungee cord
Gene,
You can check out marine supply stores for bungee cord, or also some of the bigger
sporting goods chain stores might carry it. I have seen it at Academy Sports,
but I know that Academy is not located in every state. McMaster-Carr might
also carry it. Hope this helps...
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: metal plane
From: "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com>
Date: Sep 22, 2008
Hey Randy,
Actually I'm building a Sonex/Waiex kit right now. Am a little over halfway through
the project. Wings done (that is a chunk of work!!!), ruddervators, rudder,
stabilators, flaps, ailerons, front fuselage sides done. Have the right aft
fuselage side almost done. And - have a brand new Jab3300 sitting on the basement
floor waiting to be hung over this winter. It's been a really enjoyable
project over the last two years. Have always had my eye on a Piet though, and
that will most likely be the next project in the shop.
Lorin Miller
N81YX
--------
Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
Pietenpol next up
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Subject: Perez Video
Date: Sep 23, 2008
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Michael,
Just a quick note to let you know how much I enjoyed your video. Your
work and shop are meticulous. Someone who is just starting their ribs
and jig could certainly benefit from watching it. I liked your delivery
and also think the picture and sound quality is very good. I highly
recommend it.
Jack
www.textors.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 23, 2008
Subject: Grade 8 bolts
Gentlemen,
I bought some grade 8 bolts to hold my prop onto my engine. Does anyone
think this is a bad idea? I have heard differing views on this and now I am
second-guessing myself. Please weigh-in. Thanks.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 23, 2008
Subject: Re: Perez Video
Jack,
I would have to agree, he is definitely working on a great idea full of
good information and certainly helpful to anyone building ribs. I am certain
that future installments will only improve. I can wait to see the next set of
hints. I would encourage anyone interested in building to order the video, its
well worth the investment in cash and time.
Its pretty neat that we have this type of resource in development and
available. Actually I was interested in doing something similar but was to lazy
and
too much interested in gluing my own sticks together making progress rather
then video.
For the sake of all builders and would be builders I am glad there are
people interested in sharing their knowledge like Mike Perez, Michael Cuy, Chuck
G
and with the rest of us. I hate to say it but I am a sucker for anything
Pietenpol, especially if I can learn from it!
John Recine
In a message dated 9/23/2008 9:24:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com writes:
Michael,
Just a quick note to let you know how much I enjoyed your video. Your work
and shop are meticulous. Someone who is just starting their ribs and jig
could certainly benefit from watching it. I liked your delivery and also think
the picture and sound quality is very good. I highly recommend it.
Jack
www.textors.com
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 23, 2008
From: Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
Subject: Re: Grade 8 bolts
Dan,
Back when I was buying prop bolts, I did a lot of reading about this.
I read enough to keep me from using anything but AN bolts. Prop bolts
are pretty critical, and consider what would happen if your prop
departs when already in an aft CG position?
Besides, you can get AN bolts from Aircraft Spruce for about $2 each.
I believe they are the same thing as prop bolts, EXCEPT the threaded
portion of the bolt is shorter. For that reason, you have to be very
careful to make sure you don't bottom out the nuts on the non-threaded
area. As long as you get the correct length, it is a non-issue.
My .02
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
Quoting HelsperSew(at)aol.com:
> Gentlemen,
>
> I bought some grade 8 bolts to hold my prop onto my engine. Does anyone
> think this is a bad idea? I have heard differing views on this and now I am
> second-guessing myself. Please weigh-in. Thanks.
>
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
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>
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Subject: Grade 8 bolts
Date: Sep 23, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
You're putting a Model A in it, aren't you Dan? No reason the prop bolts s
hould be any more reliable than the engine.
Just kidding - I don't think stress would be an issue since Grade 8 are sup
ossed to be 150,000 psi tensile strength and AN6 bolts are 125,000. Howeve
r, can you get Grade 8 bolts in a fine thread? I know AN6 bolts are exepns
ive at around $9 each, but there is probably not a more critical bolt on th
e airplane - particularly with a model A, where you typically only have 4 b
olts holding the prop on. I would prefer the fine thread of the AN bolts.
Just my 2 =A2, if it is even worth that much.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Grade 8 bolts
Gentlemen,
I bought some grade 8 bolts to hold my prop onto my engine. Does anyone thi
nk this is a bad idea? I have heard differing views on this and now I am se
cond-guessing myself. Please weigh-in. Thanks.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 23, 2008
Subject: Re: Grade 8 bolts-
Hi Jack,
I am using a Ken Perkins prop hub with 6 bolts. I was able to get those fine
thread 3/8-24 grade 8 bolts from Mcmaster Carr.
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Date: Sep 23, 2008
From: Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
Subject: Re: Grade 8 bolts
This newsletter contains an article with good information on prop bolts:
http://www.eaa663.org/The%20Grapvine/Issues/2004/EAA%202004-9.pdf
Steve Ruse
Norman, Ok
Quoting HelsperSew(at)aol.com:
> Gentlemen,
>
> I bought some grade 8 bolts to hold my prop onto my engine. Does anyone
> think this is a bad idea? I have heard differing views on this and now I am
> second-guessing myself. Please weigh-in. Thanks.
>
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
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Date: Sep 23, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Perez Video
Thank you Jack. I had hoped the DVD would be done well enough so that I could sell
as is with out re-doing most, if not all of it. Thank you for your time and
kind words.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 23, 2008
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Grade 8 bolts
I think when Jack says that Grade 8 bolts are *supposed* to be handle up to
150,000 psi he points out one of the main issues with commercial grade
hardware. There is not the same level of quality control in the production
of commercial grade hardware as there has to be with AN hardware. In
addition AN hardware is produced from a more corrosion resistant alloy, and
is heat-treated. Using commercial grade hardware may be fine in
non-structural applications if you so choose, but I would consider prop
bolts to be "structural" (insofar as being critical to the safe operation o
f
your Piet).
As Steve points out, having the prop depart the aircraft is never a good
thing. Even worse would be if only one or two bolts broke loose, and the
prop shakes things to the point where it departs with the engine attached t
o
it. That would ruin one's day....
Ryan
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Phillips, Jack <
Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com> wrote:
> You're putting a Model A in it, aren't you Dan? No reason the prop bolt
s
> should be any more reliable than the engine.
>
>
> Just kidding ' I don't think stress would be an issue since Grade 8 are
> supossed to be 150,000 psi tensile strength and AN6 bolts are 125,000.
> However, can you get Grade 8 bolts in a fine thread? I know AN6 bolts ar
e
> exepnsive at around $9 each, but there is probably not a more critical bo
lt
> on the airplane ' particularly with a model A, where you typically only
have
> 4 bolts holding the prop on. I would prefer the fine thread of the AN
> bolts. Just my 2 =A2, if it is even worth that much.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *
> HelsperSew(at)aol.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:46 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Grade 8 bolts
>
>
> Gentlemen,
>
>
> I bought some grade 8 bolts to hold my prop onto my engine. Does anyone
> think this is a bad idea? I have heard differing views on this and now I
am
> second-guessing myself. Please weigh-in. Thanks.
>
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 23, 2008
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Perez Video
Thank you John. If I may...John sent me a very well written critique of my
video, off list. He had some very useful suggestions and format changes tha
t I may include in video #2. Sharing knowledge comes in many forms...thanks
John for sharing some of yours with me.
-
I appreciate the support on this guys, it is motivation to continue to make
DVDs, and spread the knowledge to those who may find it useful. I know if
not for this list and people like yourselves that originally gave me a soli
d knowledge foundation to start with, I would not be building at all.
-
A special salute to Mike Cuy...he lit this candle, it burns bright now.
-
________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 23, 2008
Subject: Grade 8 bolts
Steve,
Wow- after reading that article I will not use those industrial bolts. But I
checked on the Sensenich web sight and their bolts are way too much- at least
$200.00 with shipping. I think I will take my chances with AN bolts. Its
hard to find the right ones because the threaded length is so short. Thanks.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: "Gene Rambo" <GeneRambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: another question for group
Date: Sep 23, 2008
OK, guys, what is the more common, a throttle in the front or not?
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <GeneRambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: and . . . another question
Date: Sep 23, 2008
I am looking at piano hinges for the ailerons. I am assuming that
everyone is using the loop type rather than the extruded type. The
longest length I can find is 6 ft though, and it looks like the aileron
needs a 7 ft hinge. What is everyone doing??
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: another question for group
Date: Sep 23, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
I put a throttle in the front of mine, along with dual controls (except
brakes and carb heat). I also have basic flight instruments (compass,
airspeed, and altimeter) in the front. If I had known it was going to
come in as heavy as it did, I would probably have skipped the
instruments, but it does make it nice for passengers. I also find that
on long cross countries, without reading glasses on, the instruments in
the front cockpit are easier for me to see than the ones in the back.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: another question for group
OK, guys, what is the more common, a throttle in the front or not?
Gene
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Subject: new photos
Date: Sep 23, 2008
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
Looking good, Gene. That is going to be one pretty Pietenpol.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Rambo
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 5:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: new photos
Guys:
I finally got my airplane up on the gear and outside for the first time
today. Attached are a couple of photos (if they work) to show the
current state. I ran out of the right sized screws for the elevator
hinges or they would be attached as well.
I would have made a little more progress before photographing, but
yesterday the firewall got away from me and now I have five stitches
across the back of my knee/calf.
I AM going to make Brodhead next year . . . with or without Mikey's
help!!
Gene
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Subject: and . . . another question
Date: Sep 23, 2008
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Gene,
Six feet is enough. If I were to do again I would buy hinges that were
3" wide when open. The largest I could get from Aircraft Spruce or
Wicks was 2". McMaster has 3". With the angle of the aileron spar, and
2" hinges, your bolt holes on the aileron side are pretty close to the
bottom edge of the hinge.
Jack
www.textors.com
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From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 23, 2008
Subject: Piano hinges
Gene,
I accumulated a pile of hinges (at great wasted expense) before I got one I
liked. I went with the extruded type, aluminum. I got a "special quote" from
Mcmaster Carr, because 6 ft. was the longest length listed in their catalog
for that type. They got back to me and I bought two of them 7ft. long. I see
in their catalog that now the standard lengths for some types they offer are 8
ft. I love paging through their catalog.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Date: Sep 23, 2008
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: another question for group
I don't have one in the front but then again I don't carry passengers.
----- Original Message ----
From: Gene Rambo <GeneRambo(at)msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 3:22:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: another question for group
OK, guys, what is the more common, a throttle in the front or not?
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 23, 2008
From: Owen Davies <owen5819(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Grade 8 bolts
HelsperSew(at)aol.com wrote:
> Wow- after reading that article I will not use those industrial bolts.
> (etc.)
Good article, and kind of scary. I can't help wondering, though, what
the sainted Mr. P. used to keep prop and hub together. Bet his bolts
didn't come from Sensenich. Probably weren't AN, either, all things
considered.
Owen
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 23, 2008
From: "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: another question for group
Aw man,
You're missing out on some big gargantuan, in the front seat. He's
having a good time, but you have to ask him to scoot to the side so you
can see out the front , so you can land.
That's me flying,,,worts and all.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: H RULE
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: another question for group
I don't have one in the front but then again I don't carry passengers.
----- Original Message ----
From: Gene Rambo <GeneRambo(at)msn.com>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 3:22:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: another question for group
OK, guys, what is the more common, a throttle in the front or not?
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 23, 2008
From: "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Grade 8 bolts
My take is,,Grade 8 bolts are hard.
But AN bolts are tough.
I was enlightened to the fact that a long AN bolt can actually be bent
and twisted into a pretzel shaped knot, without heating, without
breaking.,,,amazing.
My amazing Mentor, which I refer to all the time,,,whitnessed a crash of
a Mooney. He said the thing ground looped, and the tail came around to
meet the nose, but the engine mount bolts (I believe were AN6's {3/8"} )
never broke,,,,Never broke!!!
Don't reinvent the wheel.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Grade 8 bolts
Gentlemen,
I bought some grade 8 bolts to hold my prop onto my engine. Does
anyone think this is a bad idea? I have heard differing views on this
and now I am second-guessing myself. Please weigh-in. Thanks.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: "Gene Rambo" <GeneRambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Piano hinges
Date: Sep 23, 2008
OK, the McMaster Carr is a great source, I had not thought of them, but
I also love their catalog. Sooooo, now the question becomes what type
and thickness are most of you using?? I am thinking the .050 thick
aluminum hinge with the 1/8" pin and 3" width (based on the advice about
the mounting holes. Does this sound like what others have done??
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com<mailto:HelsperSew(at)aol.com>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piano hinges
Gene,
I accumulated a pile of hinges (at great wasted expense) before I got
one I liked. I went with the extruded type, aluminum. I got a "special
quote" from Mcmaster Carr, because 6 ft. was the longest length listed
in their catalog for that type. They got back to me and I bought two of
them 7ft. long. I see in their catalog that now the standard lengths for
some types they offer are 8 ft. I love paging through their catalog.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Date: Sep 23, 2008
From: charles loomis <rameses32(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Grade 8 bolts
One would think that the bolts of today would be far superior than the bolts Pietenpol
used 80 years ago, but unfortunately that is not the case, Corporate greed
and a throw-away society has resulted in quality and craftmans ship to be
thrown out the window.
Charley
--- On Wed, 9/24/08, Owen Davies wrote:
> From: Owen Davies <owen5819(at)comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Grade 8 bolts
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 7:23 AM
>
>
> HelsperSew(at)aol.com wrote:
> > Wow- after reading that article I will not use those
> industrial bolts.
> > (etc.)
> Good article, and kind of scary. I can't help
> wondering, though, what
> the sainted Mr. P. used to keep prop and hub together. Bet
> his bolts
> didn't come from Sensenich. Probably weren't AN,
> either, all things
> considered.
>
> Owen
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Grade 8 bolts
Date: Sep 23, 2008
Dan. I may be able to help out. I misordered prop bolts (3/8 AN 6)
several times (wrong length) plus changed props (needed new length) and
have kept them just in case. If your interested send me the length you
need and I'll check the next time I go to the hanger.
Gene in Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:41 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Grade 8 bolts
Steve,
Wow- after reading that article I will not use those industrial bolts.
But I checked on the Sensenich web sight and their bolts are way too
much- at least $200.00 with shipping. I think I will take my chances
with AN bolts. Its hard to find the right ones because the threaded
length is so short. Thanks.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Grade 8 bolts
Date: Sep 23, 2008
Dan I forgot to mention that if I have the right length for you, their
yours for the postage.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene & Tammy
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Grade 8 bolts
Dan. I may be able to help out. I misordered prop bolts (3/8 AN 6)
several times (wrong length) plus changed props (needed new length) and
have kept them just in case. If your interested send me the length you
need and I'll check the next time I go to the hanger.
Gene in Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:41 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Grade 8 bolts
Steve,
Wow- after reading that article I will not use those industrial
bolts. But I checked on the Sensenich web sight and their bolts are way
too much- at least $200.00 with shipping. I think I will take my chances
with AN bolts. Its hard to find the right ones because the threaded
length is so short. Thanks.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: Re: Grade 8 bolts
From: "skellytown flyer" <rhano(at)att.net>
Date: Sep 23, 2008
I think it's a bad idea. I have been around a lot of good quality grade 8's. and
from what experience I have had. they are extremely strong.but extremely brittle.I
have welded them at the head to such things as electric motor brackets
to keep them from turning and they would almost immediately break beside the weld.
i know that is a different use but just to show how they react. also seen
them installed as shear bolts in the drive shaft of a brush hog. once again the
broke right quick where grade 5 were elastic enough they might go for days.
neither a good reason to know for sure whether they will hold up on a prop,but
I think for my money I would much rather run grade 5 than grade 8 unless the
load was specifically in tension. not in shear.Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5843#205843
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Subject: Piano hinges
Date: Sep 23, 2008
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Gene,
I'm not for certain, but my 2" hinges from Wicks are .051. McMaster's
3" hinges are .60, which would be fine.
Jack
www.textors.com
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Date: Sep 23, 2008
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Grade 8 bolts
In reference to skellytown flyer ":... I think for my money I would much
rather run grade 5 than grade 8 unless the load was specifically in tension.
not in shear.Raymond"
and
Owen Davies: "Good article, and kind of scary. I can't help wondering,
though, what the sainted Mr. P. used to keep prop and hub together. Bet his
bolts didn't come from Sensenich. Probably weren't AN, either, all things
considered."
----------------------------
An excerpt from Chapter 1 of the 1932 Flying & Glider Manual, where the Air
Camper plans were introduced:
"In building your plane, don't be penny wise and pound foolish. You save
very little by substituting inferior lumber for regular airplane spruce, for
example, and your plane won't be nearly so sturdy when built of inferior
stuff. It is best to buy your material from a reliable airplane lumber and
supply house. It may be possible to pick up bargains now and then around
your local airport, and if the bargain is a real one, take advantage of it -
but be sure of what you are getting."
I highly doubt that if you asked those editors from 1932 if the same line of
thinking applies to the hardware you build with, they would say "naw, go
ahead and use whatever is down at Farm and Fleet. It's not that important".
Pietenpol used what was available to him at the various times he built his
aircraft. From non-aircraft grade hardware (we assume), to oatmeal container
cardboard for his leading edge (supposedly), and bedsheets on the tail
feathers (allegedly). He designed a very good aircraft and built them how he
chose too, and got by with it. Steve Wittman was an even more prolific
aircraft designer and racer. He built numerous airplanes, flying them both
for pleasure/utility and air racing, and got by with it. Until, that is, he
failed to properly apply the fabric to his aircraft, and he and his wife
were killed.
Skimp whereever you choose, but be prepared to be bitten in the hind end.
The collective 105 years of aviation experience that is out there has taught
us that there are acceptable, safe ways to do things to mitigate the risk in
our hobby. Building with properly graded acceptable wood is one; building
with aircraft grade hardware is another (unless some circumstance gives you
absolutely no alternative but to use other appropriate hardware). Find your
cost savings somewhere else, please.
Ryan
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From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: another question for group
Date: Sep 23, 2008
I took the front throttle out of Felix the GN-1. Still left the hard rod from the
aft throttle to front of the front pit where it changes to flex cable. If I
was in the front pit and needed to change the throttle I could just grab the
rod and move it, at the same time it would be hard for a passenger to screw up
the throttle setting. That is what caused the demise of the Poplar Piet.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
Sent: 9/23/2008 3:25:57 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: another question for group
OK, guys, what is the more common, a throttle in the front or not?
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 24, 2008
Subject: Re: Grade 8 bolts
Gene,
Thanks for the offer, but I ordered them from Spruce and they are already
shipped. Darn!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Date: Sep 24, 2008
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: another question for group
I have two problems#1 I'm a basic ultralight pilot not authourized to fly others
except other ultralight pilots and #2 I have a battery with battery case sitting
on my front seat for electric start.I suppose I could move the battery to
the floor but then that would mean getting into the front seat myself upside
down and backwards and the last time I did that I freaked out because I am claustraphobic.
----- Original Message ----
From: walt <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 5:38:06 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: another question for group
Aw man,
You're missing out on some big gargantuan, in the front seat. He's having a good
time, but you have to ask him to scoot to the side so you can see out the front
, so you can land.
That's me flying,,,worts and all.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: H RULE
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: another question for group
I don't have one in the front but then again I don't carry passengers.
----- Original Message ----
From: Gene Rambo <GeneRambo(at)msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 3:22:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: another question for group
OK, guys, what is the more common, a throttle in the front or not?
Gene
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Date: Sep 24, 2008
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Steve Whittman, accident
I know a close friend of Whittman's, and heard some other evidence as to wh
at caused the crash, and it WAS NOT the fabric comming loose.- If any one
wants to hear the other story I'll let you know.
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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From: "Rob Stapleton, Jr." <foto(at)alaska.net>
Subject: Steve Whittman, accident
Date: Sep 24, 2008