Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-hp
May 08, 2009 - May 25, 2009
Thanks-
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Larry W. xcg, xcmr, epp
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| From: | "Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail handling |
I put an aluminum tube thru the fuselage ahead of the horizontal. It is
bolted with cover straps to the lower longerons. A shaved broom handle
is the pickup, and is then removed to my"big" storage compartment in the
turtle deck. Painted snap in caps cover the holes on each side of the
fuselage.---Jim Lagowski, NX221PT ( sometimes known as one Piet)
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail handling
Everyone,
I am curious as to how you all move your tail around on the ground
when you need to move it. I have not seen any aft fuselage handles at
Brodhead. Are you able to pick-up the tail by grabbing on to the
horizontal stab? Those with only a skid, especially have to address this
problem.
I was lying in bed last night thinking that if I need that handle, I
forgot, and covered the fuse already.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
Everything covered except the wing
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| From: | "Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail handling |
I use a dolly like Oscar. It really works.----Jim lagowski
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga
To: Pietenpol List
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail handling
Air Camper NX41CC has common hardware store door handles attached to
the lower longerons on both sides of the tail and I use the one on the
port side almost every time I move the airplane. See
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/P7090010.JPG and the handle
is visible just aft of the roundel.
I maneuver the airplane in and out of the hangar with a home-made
tailwheel dolly, details at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/dolly.html
. Such a dolly could handle a tailskid as easily as it handles a
tailwheel.
Harvey, if I asked my wife to grab the tailwheel of the Piet and move
it out of the hangar for me, I'd be eating vienna sausages and crackers
and sleeping out on the street tonight. Either that or she'd stuff me
in the cockpit of my @#$%& airplane and the tailwheel along with it.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Tail handling |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
The "A-Frame" for the tailwheel/skid makes a great handle. I pick up mine to move
it all the time. It is easier to move like that than it is to push the plane
with the tail down. Just reach down through the rudder and elevator cables.
The more you think about the basic design and how you might improve it, the more
weight you add! Build light! Have yet to talk to a Piet pilot that regrets
building too simple and too light.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper |
| From: | "rameses32" <rameses32(at)yahoo.com> |
It's a Holden 138ci 6 cylinder Grey Motor. 120 ft/lbs torque at 1400rpm, With
a bit of work I am confident I can get 65Hp at 2000 rpm and get its weight in
at 250lbs. I want to run direct drive. What are the opinions on this. I can get
a Model A engine, but since I am building it here in australia, I would really
love to power it with an Australian made powerplant. The grey motor has the
best torque figures at the rpm i was wanting, is the smallest, and the lightest
of all the straight sixes, Ford, Mopar, and Holden/Chevy.
CHarley
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| Subject: | Re: Pfeifer Sport plans |
| From: | "rameses32" <rameses32(at)yahoo.com> |
I too would love a copy of the Pfeifer plans, what a great way to keep someones
memory alive. But the problem is I now live in Australia, of course I would have
to pay more for shipping, but I'm not sure how to pay you, unless someone
on this board is willing to receive money via Paypal, and then forward the cash
on to you. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Charley
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Pfeifer Sport plans |
I would worry about getting Austrailian Dollars, They are printed upside down!
What is the homebuilt/experimental movement like in Austrailia? Is your country
pro aviation? seems like a great place to fly if it is affordable.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: rameses32 <rameses32(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009 6:16
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pfeifer Sport plans
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> I too would love a copy of the Pfeifer plans, what a great way to keep someones
memory alive. But the problem is I now live in Australia,
> of course I would have to pay more for shipping, but I'm not sure
> how to pay you, unless someone on this board is willing to receive
> money via Paypal, and then forward the cash on to you. Any help
> would be greatly appreciated.
> Charley
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| From: | Joe Czaplicki <fishin3(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | fuel tank on ebay |
I had just listed a fuel tank on ebay under 'fuel tank, experimental aircraft'.
It might be an answer to someone at that building stage.
JoeC
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank on ebay |
| From: | amsafetyc(at)aol.com |
Joe
I need one what type is it?
John
------Original Message------
From: Joe Czaplicki
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: May 9, 2009 9:28 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank on ebay
I had just listed a fuel tank on ebay under 'fuel tank, experimental aircraft'.
It might be an answer to someone at that building stage.
JoeC
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pfeifer Sport plans |
rameses32 wrote:
>
> I too would love a copy of the Pfeifer plans, what a great way to keep someones
memory alive. But the problem is I now live in Australia, of course I would
have to pay more for shipping, but I'm not sure how to pay you, unless someone
on this board is willing to receive money via Paypal, and then forward the cash
on to you. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Charley
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Charlie,
You can pay me directly through Pay Pal using this email address. Reply
with your address and I'll send a copy then let you know what the
mailing cost is.
Darrel
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| Subject: | Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <rhano(at)att.net> |
I hope you find somebody that can answer your question-the only thing that makes
me wonder about trying to get full rated horsepower and more from a car engine
is -I doubt they;re built for continuous duty at the figures.unless it's an
industrial engine that pulls the load in more or less full time service I would
expect there to be problems getting rid of the heat at the least.but here I
am getting ready to fly behind a Corvair engine that was never designed as far
as I know for continuous full power application. but I'd hope to be able to
throttle it back some when at altitude.if it is propped right.good luck.Raymond
do not achive
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| Subject: | Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper |
| From: | "rameses32" <rameses32(at)yahoo.com> |
It's rated HP is 75HP @ 4200rpm, but it's peak torque is at 1400rpm, thats why
I'm hoping, with a bit of cam rework, to get 60HP at 2000 Rpm.
CHarley
skellytown flyer wrote:
> I hope you find somebody that can answer your question-the only thing that makes
me wonder about trying to get full rated horsepower and more from a car engine
is -I doubt they;re built for continuous duty at the figures.unless it's
an industrial engine that pulls the load in more or less full time service I would
expect there to be problems getting rid of the heat at the least.but here
I am getting ready to fly behind a Corvair engine that was never designed as
far as I know for continuous full power application. but I'd hope to be able to
throttle it back some when at altitude.if it is propped right.good luck.Raymond
do not achive
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| Subject: | Re: Pfeifer Sport plans |
| From: | "rameses32" <rameses32(at)yahoo.com> |
rameses32(at)yahoo.com is my email, thank you so much, this is greatly appreciated.
Charley
Darrel Jones wrote:
> rameses32 wrote:
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> > I too would love a copy of the Pfeifer plans, what a great way to keep someones
memory alive. But the problem is I now live in Australia, of course I would
have to pay more for shipping, but I'm not sure how to pay you, unless someone
on this board is willing to receive money via Paypal, and then forward the
cash on to you. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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> You can pay me directly through Pay Pal using this email address. Reply
> with your address and I'll send a copy then let you know what the
> mailing cost is.
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> Darrel
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper |
As long as it is reasonable, using an Austrailian made engine is as good a reason
to make this work as any.
Blue skies
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: rameses32 <rameses32(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009 16:37
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper
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> It's rated HP is 75HP @ 4200rpm, but it's peak torque is at 1400rpm, thats why
I'm hoping, with a bit of cam rework, to get 60HP at 2000 Rpm.
> CHarley
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> skellytown flyer wrote:
> > I hope you find somebody that can answer your question-the only thing that
makes me wonder about trying to get full rated horsepower and
> more from a car engine is -I doubt they;re built for continuous
> duty at the figures.unless it's an industrial engine that pulls
> the load in more or less full time service I would expect there to
> be problems getting rid of the heat at the least.but here I am
> getting ready to fly behind a Corvair engine that was never
> designed as far as I know for continuous full power application.
> but I'd hope to be able to throttle it back some when at
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I had a very strange feeling today=2C like nothing I've ever felt in an air
plane before. I took 41CC out on patrol but stopped for fuel first. No bi
g deal=3B it was just me and an aerial applicator at Castroville so I took
on my fuel quickly and headed out for Medina Lake=2C about 15 minutes away.
Flew out over the lake=2C then checked to see if my friend Norris was ove
r at River Ranch working on his Breezy (he wasn't). Then I headed northeas
t to take a picture at Freedom Springs. While flying back to my home base
I decided to climb to a couple of thousand feet. I put in full power and p
ut the airplane in a climb=2C which it did without complaint=2C and we leve
led off at 4000 MSL.
It was in level cruise at 4000'=2C the highest I've ever had the airplane
=2C that I felt a very strange uneasiness. I felt like we were up too high
! The ground was way down there=2C or so it seemed. I didn't feel like Ic
arus (who flew too close to the sun and melted his wings off)=2C but it was
a peculiar sensation. I've been over 10=2C000' in Cessna 150s=2C Tomahawk
s=2C and other small planes by myself so it wasn't the altitude... it was j
ust something about me and the Air Camper. I guess we belong down in our c
omfort zone... "low and slow forever".
BTW=2C on the way up to 4000' I did a power-on stall and found that the air
plane will hold attitude with power on down to 30 MPH and probably even slo
wer=2C but it was obvious that the angle of the pitot or the oncoming propw
ash (or both) made the ASI read erratically at anything less than about 32-
35 MPH indicated so who knows how slow it will fly with power but it's pret
ty slow.
Another 1.2 hrs. in 41CC=2C who is getting to be a very close friend and co
mpanion.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I have no idea what you are talking about, but I am soooo looking forward to flying
in mine (so far just a pile of wing ribs). I can somewhat imagine looking
down with my arm hanging over the side.
Thanks for the story.
--------
Mark
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | high altitudes in a Piet |
Oscar-- I have the same sensation when flying my Piet above 2500-3,000 feet for
sure. There is something different about flying that 24" wide fuselage
up that high with all that open air around you. (not to mention that you have
to take an extra day's leave just to climb above 3,000 feet in a Piet)
Regarding the Bernie vs. Bernard comments, would it also be a dishonoring thing
to call a Piet a Piet instead of the formal Pietenpol then ? Also, who exactly
can be quoted that knew Bernard directly who could comment specifically that he
did or did not care for being called Bernie ? Many "well known" facts about
the Pietenpol turn out to be heresay and old wives tales that are started and just
passed along without thought or fact---just curious is all. One thing I
do
know is that Pietenpol was a very odd duck personality type--much like his followers
! (myself included:)
Mike C.
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| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Oscar (and Mike C.),
I can't agree with you more! I just do not like flying very high in my Piet.
It feels like I'm going to tip over! I know that sounds crazy, but that's how
it feels! I once found a hole in a broken layer and climbed up through it.
Once on top it was absolutely exhilarating. As I looked down through the holes
and could see the ground way down through there, I suddenly couldn't wait to
get down close to the ground again! It must go along with the fact that I just
can't stand heights. Go figure. Can hang out the side of my cockpit all day
long. Can hardly bring myself to hang Christmas lights on my gutters!
Low and Slow FOREVER!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Oscar &Mike C.,
I have had my Piet to about 4000' agl (approx. 6500' asl in this area). This
was in the early 1970's when I had an A65 in it, and it took a LONG TIME to
get up there. I have had a C85 in it since 1974, with a much better rate of
climb, but never again flew that high because it was just too darned lonely
and cold. I can't even imagine those fellows in WW1 flying Sopwith Pups
(about the size if a Pietenpol) at 18000' to 20000' on patrols. But Arthur
Gould Lee in his book, NO PARACHUTE, tells of doing just that!
Needless to say, the Pietenpol airplane is best suited to the lower levels.
"Low and slow" is the most fun, anyway.
I have yet to fly my Pietenpol this year because our weather has been simply
horrible. That situation, however, will soon be corrected.
Graham Hansen (CF-AUN in Alberta Canada)
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| From: | Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | "Bernie" & High flying |
Mike C. Check out articles in the Grant McLaren-era BPANewsletters, Jim Van
dervoort, Ed Sampson-and other old-timers about how Mr. Pietenpol preferr
ed to be addressed. If it isn't a big deal to you don't sweat it, the earth
isn't going to end if you say "Bernie" but I was hoping to-instill a bit
of fast-disappearing respect for someone who I consider a pioneer to aviat
ion history.
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Oscar,et al; I had my Piet up to 5,000agl-(5350 msl)-last fall on a coo
l day (wouldn't go any higher!!) and the feeling I had could only be descri
bed as "eerie and lonely". I also noticed that at idle for the sledride dow
n, the controls felt A LOT different than they normally do. I think it must
have been due to the lack of torque from the "A" and the resulting off-set
ting control input that made it feel a little sloppy. Anyway, I got it up t
here and set the central Arkansas record for altitude in Lonoke County for
a Ford powered parasol configured tail-dragger, so I don't have to do-tha
t ever again! I think 2,000' will be my limit and-500-1,000 is still goin
g to be my preferred block.
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Larry W. ecg, xcmr, epp=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Mountain Flying |
| From: | "rameses32" <rameses32(at)yahoo.com> |
Holy Pietenpol Batman, Now thats an Engine!
Pieti Lowell wrote:
> Hi Gang:
> If any one is concerned about getting over a mountain 8000 ft. or more, try this
combination that I tried a few years ago. Altitude wasn't any problem but
fuel consumption was. That is a 145 plus HP Warner, when it was installed I never
changed wing position, and it weighted 50 lbs more than my Ford. Flew strong
and fast.
> Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: high altitudes in a Piet |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Mike, when you talk to Vi, he always said "Bernie". as I recall, when I spoke to
Bernie, I called him "Mr Pietenpol". He sure was a great guy that had time for
anyone and every one. My red Piet With Funk engine's number was , the year
Bernie was born, the year he died and BP. And I just flew her to Palmyra for it's
annual yesterday. The owner, JoBeth Barrett, trained in the Piet to get taildragger
time, before flying her Stearman. Will try to get her to Brodhead.
Pieti Lowell
Regarding the Bernie vs. Bernard comments, would it also be a dishonoring thing
to call a Piet a Piet instead of the formal Pietenpol then ? Also, who exactly
can be quoted that knew Bernard directly who could comment specifically that he
did or did not care for being called Bernie ? Many "well known" facts about
the Pietenpol turn out to be heresay and old wives tales that are started and just
passed along without thought or fact---just curious is all. One thing I
do
know is that Pietenpol was a very odd duck personality type--much like his followers
! (myself included:)
Mike C.[/quote]
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243412#243412
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| Subject: | Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
My opinion would be, test stand proof.
Prop pitch to turn 2400 RPM
Remove all steel that is replaceable with Al.Pan, rocker cover etc.
I think that is a vacuum pump under the fuel pump, got to go.
Replace pulleys that are required with Al.
Compare this engine to a Ford Fiesta, on a Piet flown from the East coast to Brodhead.
The weight can be trimmed to be Pietenpol worthy, but I think it may be a bit shy
on CIs. to haul 2 heavies on a warm day.
It will be a smooth runner, at 2200 RPM.
The spark advance must return to retard, or she will snap a finger or two, with
the Ign. system I see, when hand started.
Pieti Lowell
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: high altitudes in a Piet |
In the test phases of 92GB I got bored and climbed up to 7500 ft on a 90 de
gree july day.- Man what a view!- I was enjoying the cool air untill a
Northwest Airlines DC9 went about 1000ft or so over head going into columbu
s 25 miles to the south, so I said the Hell with it get me out of his way!!
- Haven't got that bored to climb that high since,- I used a cut off wh
eat field for thermal assistance for some extra lift.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "Rob Stapleton" <foto(at)alaska.net> |
| Subject: | "Bernie" & High flying |
For those of you that have been responding to this just what is the
service ceiling on a Piet with a Model A, Corvair etc. engines?
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Williams
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Bernie" & High flying
Mike C. Check out articles in the Grant McLaren-era BPANewsletters, Jim
Vandervoort, Ed Sampson and other old-timers about how Mr. Pietenpol
preferred to be addressed. If it isn't a big deal to you don't sweat it,
the earth isn't going to end if you say "Bernie" but I was hoping to
instill a bit of fast-disappearing respect for someone who I consider a
pioneer to aviation history.
Oscar,et al; I had my Piet up to 5,000agl (5350 msl) last fall on a cool
day (wouldn't go any higher!!) and the feeling I had could only be
described as "eerie and lonely". I also noticed that at idle for the
sledride down, the controls felt A LOT different than they normally do.
I think it must have been due to the lack of torque from the "A" and the
resulting off-setting control input that made it feel a little sloppy.
Anyway, I got it up there and set the central Arkansas record for
altitude in Lonoke County for a Ford powered parasol configured
tail-dragger, so I don't have to do that ever again! I think 2,000' will
be my limit and 500-1,000 is still going to be my preferred block.
Larry W. ecg, xcmr, epp
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| From: | Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com> |
Wow! Great article in the latest S.A. about the long range ramifications of
major modifications to proven designs. Read over Kerry Fores' article on p
g. 114.
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Seems that the bottom line to the story is this:
As the builder you can modify it all you want but-shouldn't register your
800# fully accessorized, electrified and modernized-creation as a Pieten
pol Air Camper. Spare us who closely followed the plans the agony of having
to put up with the possible fall-out of your actions if they go awry.
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It might also be a good idea to not register it as a Pietenpol if it wasn't
built from BHP's plans!!! (ie. there is no such thing as a Pietenpol GN-1)
.
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Larry-W.......... (heading for cover)=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: "Bernie" & High flying |
Rob,
On the certified planes, they know because they're all built the same.
But in our community, where they are all built with different weights,
and different power plants, I'm sure the numbers would vary Very
greatly.
I built very light, and it climbs great. So I'm sure that mine would go
very high.
But like the postings of recently. I haven't got the chops for it.
Always been afraid of heights, and when I get to 2000AGL, I get the
creeps.
Think it's the feeling up high, that you can't tell the attitude of the
plane.
I can zip over the trees at 500 feet all day, cause you can see when you
are yawing right or yawing left.
Up high you are hanging by a thread, not moving. Sometimes I'm up high
and look down at the panel and the ball is way over to the side. I have
no sensation of attitude. Don't like it.
Low and Slow is what I like
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Stapleton
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 6:46 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Bernie" & High flying
For those of you that have been responding to this just what is the
service ceiling on a Piet with a Model A, Corvair etc. engines?
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Williams
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:24 AM
To: Pietlist
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Bernie" & High flying
Mike C. Check out articles in the Grant McLaren-era
BPANewsletters, Jim Vandervoort, Ed Sampson and other old-timers about
how Mr. Pietenpol preferred to be addressed. If it isn't a big deal to
you don't sweat it, the earth isn't going to end if you say "Bernie" but
I was hoping to instill a bit of fast-disappearing respect for someone
who I consider a pioneer to aviation history.
Oscar,et al; I had my Piet up to 5,000agl (5350 msl) last fall
on a cool day (wouldn't go any higher!!) and the feeling I had could
only be described as "eerie and lonely". I also noticed that at idle for
the sledride down, the controls felt A LOT different than they normally
do. I think it must have been due to the lack of torque from the "A" and
the resulting off-setting control input that made it feel a little
sloppy. Anyway, I got it up there and set the central Arkansas record
for altitude in Lonoke County for a Ford powered parasol configured
tail-dragger, so I don't have to do that ever again! I think 2,000' will
be my limit and 500-1,000 is still going to be my preferred block.
Larry W. ecg, xcmr, epp
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | "Bernie" & High flying |
Rob,
The FAA's definition of service ceiling is the altitude where, at gross
weight and max rate of climb, the rate of climb produced is 100 feet per
minute. Based on that, my Pietenpol's (745 lb empty weight, 65 hp
Continental) service ceiling is just above sea level. At my listed gross
weight of 1245 lbs (full fuel, 2 200 lb souls and 10 lbs of baggage), on a
hot day I get right at 100 feet per minute climb. A cool day makes a big
difference, as does ANY lightening of the airframe and/or pilot and
passenger. On a cooler day with me by myself, half tank of fuel and no
baggage, I can zoom right up there at close to 500 fpm. Think of this as
the best of all reasons to go on a diet.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Stapleton
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 6:46 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Bernie" & High flying
For those of you that have been responding to this just what is the service
ceiling on a Piet with a Model A, Corvair etc. engines?
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Williams
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Bernie" & High flying
Mike C. Check out articles in the Grant McLaren-era BPANewsletters, Jim
Vandervoort, Ed Sampson and other old-timers about how Mr. Pietenpol
preferred to be addressed. If it isn't a big deal to you don't sweat it, the
earth isn't going to end if you say "Bernie" but I was hoping to instill a
bit of fast-disappearing respect for someone who I consider a pioneer to
aviation history.
Oscar,et al; I had my Piet up to 5,000agl (5350 msl) last fall on a cool day
(wouldn't go any higher!!) and the feeling I had could only be described as
"eerie and lonely". I also noticed that at idle for the sledride down, the
controls felt A LOT different than they normally do. I think it must have
been due to the lack of torque from the "A" and the resulting off-setting
control input that made it feel a little sloppy. Anyway, I got it up there
and set the central Arkansas record for altitude in Lonoke County for a Ford
powered parasol configured tail-dragger, so I don't have to do that ever
again! I think 2,000' will be my limit and 500-1,000 is still going to be my
preferred block.
Larry W. ecg, xcmr, epp
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| From: | H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: high altitudes in a Piet |
I find big paved parking lots like those at Walmarts etc. are great for the
rmals.They get you up there fast!Gives the shoppers something to see as wel
l.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: shad bell <aviato
rbell(at)yahoo.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, May 10,
2009 5:50:39 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: high altitudes in a Piet=0A
=0A=0AIn the test phases of 92GB I got bored and climbed up to 7500 ft on a
90 degree july day.- Man what a view!- I was enjoying the cool air unt
ill a Northwest Airlines DC9 went about 1000ft or so over head going into c
olumbus 25 miles to the south, so I said the Hell with it get me out of his
way!!- Haven't got that bored to climb that high since,- I used a cut
off wheat field for thermal assistance for some extra lift.=0A=0AShad =0A
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| From: | "Will42" <will(at)cctc.net> |
My '32 Flying and Glider manual has plans for the wood fuselage and the tubing
one. The tube rear cockpit is shorter on the bottom and longer on the top than
the wood one. Why would that be? Seems like the pilot would be leaning much farther
rearward; not a comfortable position for me and poorer visibility. Any
comments? Thanks so much................Will42
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | how stressed is the Corvair on an Air Camper? |
Raymond wrote:
>the only thing that makes me wonder about trying to get full rated horsepo
wer and more
>from a car engine is -I doubt they're built for continuous duty at the fig
ures unless it's an
> industrial engine that pulls the load in more or less full time service I
would
> expect there to be problems getting rid of the heat at the least.but here
I
> am getting ready to fly behind a Corvair engine that was never designed a
s far
> as I know for continuous full power application. but I'd hope to be able
to
> throttle it back some when at altitude.if it is propped right
>From William Wynne's website=2C http://www.flycorvair.com:
> In the Corvair automobile=2C the engine produced 180 horsepower in the tu
rbo-charged form. All 1964-69 model engines utilize the same crankshaft=2C
rods=2C pistons=2C cases=2C etc. By flat rating the engine for 90hp conti
nuous=2C the engine is only stressed to 50% of its rating in the automobile
. No other auto engine conversion can make this claim. In the automobile
=2C the engine redlines at 5=2C500 rpm. My aircraft conversion produces 75
% power at half this rpm. These two facts form the cornerstone of the Corv
air engine=92s reliability as an aircraft power plant.
> The Corvair engine turns more than 3=2C000rpm at 60mph in the automobile.
They can run for hours at a time over 4=2C500rpm. Asking the engine to pro
duce 75% power=2C the brake mean effective pressure (BMEP) is lower at 2=2C
800rpm than at 2=2C000rpm.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Dick N." <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Mark
That sounds nice, just remember tat with your left arm hanging out, you will
be in a left turn.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: high flight
>
> I have no idea what you are talking about, but I am soooo looking forward
> to flying in mine (so far just a pile of wing ribs). I can somewhat
> imagine looking down with my arm hanging over the side.
>
> Thanks for the story.
>
> --------
> Mark
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243334#243334
>
>
>
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper |
hello im build a piet in these moment and you take my attention can you telmy more
about ford fiesta engines for piet tanks jorge
--- On Sun, 5/10/09, Pieti Lowell wrote:
From: Pieti Lowell <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper
Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 12:39 PM
My opinion would be, test stand proof.
Prop pitch to turn 2400 RPM
Remove all steel that is replaceable with Al.Pan, rocker cover etc.
I think that is a vacuum pump under the fuel pump, got to go.
Replace pulleys that are required with Al.
Compare this engine to a Ford Fiesta, on a Piet flown from the East coast to
Brodhead.
The weight can be trimmed to be Pietenpol worthy, but I think it may be a bit
shy on CIs. to haul 2 heavies on a warm day.
It will be a smooth runner, at 2200 RPM.
The spark advance must return to retard, or she will snap a finger or two, with
the Ign. system I see, when hand started.
Pieti Lowell
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| From: | "Steve Ruse" <steve(at)wotelectronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: high altitudes in a Piet |
Flying home from a fly-in one day, I decided to see how high I could
get. In 45 minutes, I was at 9,000'. This is with an A-75. I don't
know what my climb was, but it wasn't much, but I was still going up.
The limit probably would've been somewhere below 11,000'. Somewhere I
even have video of it. It felt like I was suspended from a string...I
couldn't perceive any motion. I would've kept going but I started
getting cold...it was in the 60s on the ground, and in the 30s up at
9,000'. I wasn't dressed for it.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: high altitudes in a Piet
In the test phases of 92GB I got bored and climbed up to 7500 ft
on a 90 degree july day. Man what a view! I was enjoying the cool air
untill a Northwest Airlines DC9 went about 1000ft or so over head going
into columbus 25 miles to the south, so I said the Hell with it get me
out of his way!! Haven't got that bored to climb that high since, I
used a cut off wheat field for thermal assistance for some extra lift.
Shad
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| From: | "Dick N." <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Larry
I carefully read the article and very much agree with what the author
and you said. However, some airplanes are designed precisely for a
particular engine specified and all components carefully engineered.
You will not find barn door hinges and fence wire in a Sonex plan.
Times have changed and some materials have had improvements which can
lead to a far safer aircraft. I fully realize that was not in anyway
the focus of your comments and many of us remember what you were
referring to. The "FISHERMAN" being one memorable one. There have been
some wild ideas floated on this list over the years and I suspect that
some are just typing too fast after working on the project and having a
couple of beers. What about the idea of long range tanks for invading
Cuba from a couple of years ago, Hi Corky.
I wouldn't tell Lowell Frank he didn't really have a Pietenpol when he
had the Warner 145 on his plane, There were 2 Piets with O-200's at
Brodhead weighing 810 lb. My Rotec Piet weighs 810 lb. I called that
Piet a Deluxe Pietenpol, partly for humor and partly to note the changes
that I made to the design. When I started that project, I found a
number of people that didn't appreciate that I was doing something
different and when I was driving it in the trailer to Brodhead in '07 I
was worried that it wouldn't be appreciated.
Bernard Pietenpol tried a variety of engines and there are 4 different
fuselages in different plans available. With the different body types
of owners, some have had to make adjustments to fit. I don't think that
disqualifies the plane from being a Pietenpol.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Williams
To: Pietlist
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 6:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet mods
Wow! Great article in the latest S.A. about the long range
ramifications of major modifications to proven designs. Read over Kerry
Fores' article on pg. 114.
Seems that the bottom line to the story is this:
As the builder you can modify it all you want but shouldn't
register your 800# fully accessorized, electrified and modernized
creation as a Pietenpol Air Camper. Spare us who closely followed the
plans the agony of having to put up with the possible fall-out of your
actions if they go awry.
It might also be a good idea to not register it as a Pietenpol
if it wasn't built from BHP's plans!!! (ie. there is no such thing as a
Pietenpol GN-1).
Larry W.......... (heading for cover)
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| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: how stressed is the Corvair on an Air Camper? |
Some things, about this Corvair thing,are decieving,
Just because an engine is redlined at 5500. If it's turning at 4500,
sure doesn't mean it's producing 75% power.
If it's on a test stand driving nothing, it will produce very little ,
and produce very little heat.
NOW take the Corvair car, and climb one of those 10 mile long W.
Virginia highway hills, with the throttle near the floor, throttle plate
open, (big explosions going on inside.) That's another story.
Will it last?
How many hills before it breaks?
Cars coast, airplanes are a constant drag.
They say a full sized V8 vehicle, cruising down the highway only uses
about 40HP to keep moving.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga
To: Pietenpol List
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: how stressed is the Corvair on an Air Camper?
Raymond wrote:
>the only thing that makes me wonder about trying to get full rated
horsepower and more
>from a car engine is -I doubt they're built for continuous duty at
the figures unless it's an
> industrial engine that pulls the load in more or less full time
service I would
> expect there to be problems getting rid of the heat at the least.but
here I
> am getting ready to fly behind a Corvair engine that was never
designed as far
> as I know for continuous full power application. but I'd hope to be
able to
> throttle it back some when at altitude.if it is propped right
>From William Wynne's website, http://www.flycorvair.com:
> In the Corvair automobile, the engine produced 180 horsepower in the
turbo-charged form. All 1964-69 model engines utilize the same
crankshaft, rods, pistons, cases, etc. By flat rating the engine for
90hp continuous, the engine is only stressed to 50% of its rating in the
automobile. No other auto engine conversion can make this claim. In
the automobile, the engine redlines at 5,500 rpm. My aircraft
conversion produces 75% power at half this rpm. These two facts form
the cornerstone of the Corvair engine=92s reliability as an aircraft
power plant.
> The Corvair engine turns more than 3,000rpm at 60mph in the
automobile. They can run for hours at a time over 4,500rpm. Asking the
engine to produce 75% power, the brake mean effective pressure (BMEP) is
lower at 2,800rpm than at 2,000rpm.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
I'm doing the final install of my rudder and wanted to query the group about
rudder offset of the lack of it that they use.
I'd appreciate you flyers input about your experiences with various offsets
so I can decide how much to put in.
Thanks,
Douwe
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | respect, staying low, and ramblings in general |
Great line Don E. about heights and hanging Christmas lights on your gutters.
I too have a
difficult time on high ladders or on roofs. Go figure. Not a good backseat
airline passenger
either. (must be a control thing)
There is something to be said for respect of others in today's day of lackluster
manners and
courtesies--thank you for the Bernard comments/observations. I'm forever annoyed
at the new
phrase "no problem" as it has (sadly in my mind) replaced the phrase "you're welcome".
I know
the youth of today have embraced saying dude and no problem but it just seems like
everything
mom taught us is all watered down today--end of editorial comment section.
Mike C.
PS- the comments on feeling 'lonely' and not moving when up high in a Pietenpol
were right on
the money. No thanks-- it takes too long to get there and it is no fun once
there !
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| From: | Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com> |
I guess the question becomes; how many mods or additions can you put into s
omeone elses design before it ceases to be that design.
-
I've typed a couple of more paragraphs and deleted them. I'll stop beating
a dead horse now.
-
And......call him Bernie. Everyone else does. Besides, he's dead so it does
n't really matter.
-
Larry W.-
-=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | how stressed is the Corvair on an Air Camper? |
| From: | hvandervoo(at)aol.com |
And thaen there is this.
?
1932 Helicron
In the late 1930s this one-of-a-kind Helicron was? placed in a barn and forgotten.
More than six decades later this odd lost little gem was rediscovered, rebuilt,
and reintroduced to the world. Althougthe manufacturer is unknown, it's
believed that this car was? built in France 1932. Following the first World War
it was not uncommon? for recently displaced airplane engineers to look towards
the automobile industry for employment.
As in this example, a few entrepreneurs developed propeller-powered cars with the
notion that propeller power was an efficient means of moving a vehicle.On this
car, when the wooden propeller is spinning at full speed and efficiently,
this little 1,000-pound boat-tailed skiff can hit freeway speeds exceeding 75
mph. This is the only Helicron in existence, owned by Lane Motor Museum in Nashville
, TN.
Just like airplanes, it has no reverse!
??
?
?
?
?
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I'm one of the guys who has done/will do more modifications on my Pietenpol
Air Camper. SOME of my mods so far have been: wing tips, hinges, trailing
edge, center section cut out and rudder horn design/location.- Other modi
fications of my own to follow as well as some others that have been done in
the past. Engine type still on the table. Is my plane a Pietenpol Air Camp
er? If anyone were to ask, I would say: "Yes it is, with modifications."
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: how stressed is the Corvair on an Air Camper? |
A propeller-powered car with the prop up front: What could possibly
go wrong? =-O
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| Subject: | Re: respect, staying low, and ramblings in general |
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| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hello all,
At the risk of being pillared; Those that do too many mods, should have their right
to call their airplane a "Pietenpol" Air Camper, removed. If they want to
call it an "aircamper" (note lower case) that is fine but we all need to draw
the line somewhere, and this is the place. So officially, anyone who incorporates?too
many?changes (past what I have done) will going forward be placed in
this dubious category.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
M.P. wrote:
I'm one of the guys who has done/will do more modifications on my Pietenpol Air
Camper. SOME of my mods so far have been: wing tips, hinges, trailing edge, center
section cut out and rudder horn design/location.? Other modifications of
my own to follow as well as some others that have been done in the past. Engine
type still on the table. Is my plane a Pietenpol Air Camper? If anyone were
to ask, I would say: "Yes it is, with modifications."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rob Stapleton" <foto(at)alaska.net> |
| Subject: | "Bernie" & High flying |
Funny you should mention the diet, but that is exactly what I am
thinking although I have the Corvair engine and am looking for an O-290!
I am 6'-5" and weigh 250 lbs. I am trying to drop to 205 lbs. so I can
carry paxs!
Rob
Rob Stapleton, Photojournalist
Anchorage, AK
(907) 230-9425
KL2AN
Skype:rob.stapleton.jr
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:29 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Bernie" & High flying
Rob,
The FAA's definition of service ceiling is the altitude where, at gross
weight and max rate of climb, the rate of climb produced is 100 feet per
minute. Based on that, my Pietenpol's (745 lb empty weight, 65 hp
Continental) service ceiling is just above sea level. At my listed
gross weight of 1245 lbs (full fuel, 2 200 lb souls and 10 lbs of
baggage), on a hot day I get right at 100 feet per minute climb. A cool
day makes a big difference, as does ANY lightening of the airframe
and/or pilot and passenger. On a cooler day with me by myself, half
tank of fuel and no baggage, I can zoom right up there at close to 500
fpm. Think of this as the best of all reasons to go on a diet.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Stapleton
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 6:46 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Bernie" & High flying
For those of you that have been responding to this just what is the
service ceiling on a Piet with a Model A, Corvair etc. engines?
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Williams
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Bernie" & High flying
Mike C. Check out articles in the Grant McLaren-era BPANewsletters, Jim
Vandervoort, Ed Sampson and other old-timers about how Mr. Pietenpol
preferred to be addressed. If it isn't a big deal to you don't sweat it,
the earth isn't going to end if you say "Bernie" but I was hoping to
instill a bit of fast-disappearing respect for someone who I consider a
pioneer to aviation history.
Oscar,et al; I had my Piet up to 5,000agl (5350 msl) last fall on a cool
day (wouldn't go any higher!!) and the feeling I had could only be
described as "eerie and lonely". I also noticed that at idle for the
sledride down, the controls felt A LOT different than they normally do.
I think it must have been due to the lack of torque from the "A" and the
resulting off-setting control input that made it feel a little sloppy.
Anyway, I got it up there and set the central Arkansas record for
altitude in Lonoke County for a Ford powered parasol configured
tail-dragger, so I don't have to do that ever again! I think 2,000' will
be my limit and 500-1,000 is still going to be my preferred block.
Larry W. ecg, xcmr, epp
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
I suppose I could call mine a "Pietenperez."- Or Perezenpol."
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| From: | gcardinal(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: rudder offset |
More importantly than the amount of vertical fin offset is the ability to m
ake it adjustable. You won't know how much you'll need until after you've f
lown it and the amount could be significant.
NX18235 started out with zero offset per the plans. Currently it is=C2-of
fset a little more than 1" and could use more.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:04:56 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rudder offset
link.net>
I'm doing the final install of my rudder and wanted to query the group abou
t
rudder offset of the lack of it that they use.
I'd appreciate you flyers input about your experiences with various offsets
so I can decide how much to put in.
Thanks,
Douwe
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: rudder offset |
Hi Douwe,
I'm also interested in the answer to this question, so I will defer to
the experts on this issue.
That said, back in the dark, dim recesses of my memory I recalled seeing
a picture of an offset vertical stabilizer buried somewhere in the
westcoastpiet.com pages - luckily, it didn't take me long to find it:
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Brown%20Aero/P1010003.JPG
(referring page is this: http://westcoastpiet.com/new_page_6.htm)
Note that the offset is to the *right* side of the aircraft because this
is on a Corvair powered Pietenpol and they spin the "wrong" way. Using
a standard aircraft engine, the vert. stab. would be offset to the
*left* side of the aircraft.
Cheers,
Dan
Douwe Blumberg wrote:
>
> I'm doing the final install of my rudder and wanted to query the group about
> rudder offset of the lack of it that they use.
>
> I'd appreciate you flyers input about your experiences with various offsets
> so I can decide how much to put in.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Douwe
>
>
>
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| Subject: | Re: rudder offset |
| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> |
I like this one because it is adjustable.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Walt%20Bowe/IMG_1054.JPG
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Walt%20Bowe/IMG_1055.JPG
Chris
--------
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243596#243596
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| Subject: | Cable Tension Question |
| From: | "Tim" <twilliams(at)mailmt.com> |
Gentlemen, I finally found an individual who is willing to give me some dual time
in the Piet. I purchased several years ago. He spent about 3 hours today going
over every part of the plane. He had a 3 or 4 page list of items to check
out before hed make a test flight. He said the plane was very well made, and
certainly flyable, but there were several items that hed like to see addressed
to make it as perfect as possible.
I have quite a few questions but Ill start of will just one.
Question; the 8 cables that support and align the rudder and elevator all differ
in tension, some more than others. I know that tight is tight and too tight
is snap. Im only guessing but maybe they should just be snug. But what is
snug? Is there some sort of homemade device that you can make to ensure equal
tension on all the cables?
Thanks in advance.
Tim
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| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
I don't agree with rudder offset.
I built to the plans. and rigged like a nut to get all right.
When I climb, need right rudder to correct the "P" factor.
Cruise is fine, no holding of rudder.
Throttle back, maybe some left rudder.
Ain't life Grand.
PS rig it right , and it will be good. :^)
walt evans
NX140DL
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| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cable Tension Question |
That's a funny thing with the Piet.
When the controls go thru their Arc, they go thru a "more tension, less
tension" thing.
You don't feel it when flying at all.
We all have to deal with this 1929 thing.
Have him take it up and around by himself, and he'll see it feels fine.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim" <twilliams(at)mailmt.com>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 5:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension Question
>
> Gentlemen, I finally found an individual who is willing to give me some
> dual time in the Piet. I purchased several years ago. He spent about 3
> hours today going over every part of the plane. He had a 3 or 4 page list
> of items to check out before he?Td make a test flight. He said the plane
> was very well made, and certainly flyable, but there were several items
> that he?Td like to see addressed to make it as perfect as possible.
> I have quite a few questions but I?Tll start of will just one.
> Question; the 8 cables that support and align the rudder and elevator all
> differ in tension, some more than others. I know that tight is tight and
> too tight is snap. I?Tm only guessing but maybe they should just be
> snug. But what is snug? Is there some sort of homemade device that you
> can make to ensure equal tension on all the cables?
> Thanks in advance.
> Tim
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243599#243599
>
>
>
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cable Tension, test pilot |
Just use your ear and a twang on the wires.- I am guessing you are talkin
g about the tail brace wires.- Just tight enough to keep the tail streigh
t and so it doesnt flex up and down.- If one side (top bot, left or right
) is tighter than the other the-horizontal stab-will not be level from
side to side when looking down the length of it.- As for the control cabl
e slack thing I have got the, "thats no good!, look at that the cables rub
on the top of the stab right there, you should redesighn the control horns.
......bla bla bla bla".- If he feels comfortable with the plane, and you
feel comfortable letting him fly it go ahead, but if you have a voice insid
e telling you no, or mayby no, then NO should be your answer.- Don't risk
your airplane or his life if he is not 100% sure he wants to fly it.
-
Sorry I got a little off subject, but I would hate for a nice piet or pilot
-to get banged up on a 1st flight.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Oshkosh 80th anniversary - housing |
80th anniversary update -
I received word that there is some housing available close by OSH for
Pietenpolers who don't want to sleep in a tent on the field.
One house is 3 blocks from Wittman field, the lower level will be
available. No beds are in the lower level but bathroom / shower, air
conditioning, etc is all there. The yard of this house is also available
for tents.
A camper in the driveway of this house may also be available.
A complete house in Neenah, 20 minutes north of OSH is also available.
Contact me off-list if you are interested and I can get you in touch
with the owners.
Greg Cardinal
gcardinal(at)comcast.net
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper |
Jorge wrote-
> hello im build a piet in these moment and you take my attention can you t
elmy more
> about ford fiesta engines for piet tanks jorge
>From what I can find out about the engine=2C it is a 1.6 liter (1600cc) eng
ine developing less than 60 HP at 5000 RPM but I am not at all sure of thos
e numbers. If that is the case=2C then it is going to need a reduction dri
ve and I believe the Piet that has flown with a Fiesta engine had a drive o
n it. As mentioned in other posts in the archives=2C the Fiesta "Valencia"
or Kent engine was used extensively in many automobiles and many countries
around the world so there are plenty of them out there. I have no idea wh
at is involved in the conversion but my guess is that there are a lot bette
r candidate engines available here in the U.S.... but Jorge is not in the U
.S. so he may have better access to one of these engines than we do these d
ays.
I'm surprised there are no Piets flying behind the Fiat Panda engine. Late
r models were about 50 HP and there are millions of those cars out there (e
verywhere but the U.S.).
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: respect, staying low, and ramblings in general |
Your not crabby till you start walking sideways.
Clif
I was always taught to respect my elders,
But it keeps getting harder to find one.
> HA! I must be MUCH older than you! I'm much, much crabbier!
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
"Past what I have done"?????
Clif
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
Thomas Edison
Hello all,
too many changes (past what I have done) will going forward be placed
in this dubious category.
Dan Helsper
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Walt-- rudder offset |
I totally agree with Walt Evans-there is no need for rudder offset if you r
ig your plane right and build in
offset when you make your motor mount. If you go thru the Tony Bingelis
"flight test" notes of how to test
your homebuilt he gives a step-by-step sequence of how rig your plane from
how it flies with regard to ball
offset, drift, etc. What you may be correcting for with rudder could very
well be an error in the rigging of
your wings----or twist in your horizontal stabilizer that you didn't true u
p quite perfectly.
After all was said and done I added a small aluminum trim tab on my rudder
to get hands-off cruise for folding
charts and fumbling with things in the cockpit during x-country flights but
the tab only has the slightest of offset.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
| From: | "rameses32" <rameses32(at)yahoo.com> |
Surly this was meant to be a funny, correct? I mean I really like the part (past
what I have done), and then calling everybody that has changed anything from
the plans "Dubious".
Pietenpol himself never built two aircraft the same from what I have seen, he was
constantly updating and improving. I'm not sure he ever put a door in, or
built a three piece wing, used brakes? Stearable tail wheel? Engine Choice? Material,
did he ever build a steel tube fuselage, 4130, 1020? Fuel tank choice,
deeper fuselage, wider fuselage, jury struts? Built up spars? The list is endless,
and the man himself said "If you know your stuff, you may be able to make
improvements in this ship" He was talking about the Sky Scout, but he didn't
say, if you change it, don't call it a Pietenpol.
Anyway, it made me laugh, now, back to the drawing board, I bet if I add three
feet to each wing and 6" to the chord, I can stuff that V-10 out of my Viper into
my Pietenpol and improve the...............
Charley
> At the risk of being pillared; Those that do too many mods, should have their
right to call their airplane a "Pietenpol" Air Camper, removed. If they want
to call it an "aircamper" (note lower case) that is fine but we all need to draw
the line somewhere, and this is the place. So officially, anyone who incorporates
too many changes (past what I have done) will going forward be placed
in this dubious category.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pfeifer Sport plans |
| From: | "Will42" <will(at)cctc.net> |
[
Charlie,
[/quote]
You can pay me directly through Pay Pal using this email address. Reply
with your address and I'll send a copy then let you know what the
mailing cost is.
Darrel[/quote]
Darrel; I too would like to have the Pfeifer CD. I can Pay-pal if I had an e-mail
address or just send $5. if I had a street address. Thanks so much...........Will42
will(at)cctc.net
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | respect, staying low, and ramblings in general |
I have found the cure for crabbiness. I pull the prop through six blades w
ith fuel on=2C throttle back=2C and ignition off. Then I switch on the ign
ition and spin the prop on the 65 and go fly. So far it has worked every t
ime I've tried it. I get a bonus when I make a good landing... besides not
being crabby=2C I actually walk away from the hangar whistling and pleased
with myself=2C and even though I will turn 58 in another two months=2C whe
n I fly my airplane I feel like I'm 16 or 18 and can do anything.
As for respect=2C the airplane and I have gotten nothing but respect from e
very person=2C young or old=2C who has seen us out flying or on the ramp.
Well=2C I guess I should back up and say that I didn't get respect when I b
ounced a landing=2C but that's OK. Or "no problem" =3Bo)
Keep building these fine old airplanes=2C and fly 'em if you've got 'em. I
hate it when I hear somebody say that they know of an old Piet that is sit
ting dusty in a hangar somewhere. They are a joy to fly and seem to spread
joy and interest wherever they go.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Owen Davies <owen5819(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper |
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
> From what I can find out about the engine, it is a 1.6 liter (1600cc)
> engine developing less than 60 HP at 5000 RPM but I am not at all sure
> of those numbers. If that is the case, then it is going to need a
> reduction drive and I believe the Piet that has flown with a Fiesta
> engine had a drive on it.
I saw one Piet with a Fiesta engine, a really lovely plane with the
sheet metal engine-turned and gold anodized. I don't remember seeing a
redrive, but very vaguely recall talking about it. (This was a long time
ago.) In any case, the prop was normal sized, not a little stick like
you'd see with a VW powerplant, so there pretty well has to have been a
reduction of some sort. Belt, if my memory is working.
Owen
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: rudder offset |
I put in no offset and found I needed a bit of right rudder all the time.
Have put in a trim tab which will get checked out today--Jim lagowski,
NX221PT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rudder offset
>
>
> I'm doing the final install of my rudder and wanted to query the group
> about
> rudder offset of the lack of it that they use.
>
> I'd appreciate you flyers input about your experiences with various
> offsets
> so I can decide how much to put in.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Douwe
>
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
07:02:00
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| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pfeifer Sport plans |
Will42 wrote:
>
> [
>
>
>
> Charlie,
> [/quote]
>
> You can pay me directly through Pay Pal using this email address. Reply
> with your address and I'll send a copy then let you know what the
> mailing cost is.
>
> Darrel[/quote]
>
> Darrel; I too would like to have the Pfeifer CD. I can Pay-pal if I had an e-mail
address or just send $5. if I had a street address. Thanks so much...........Will42
will(at)cctc.net
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243694#243694
>
>
>
Reply with your mailing address and I'll get a cd in the mail.
Darrel
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
There is a gent in my video by the name of Jim Malley who I show taking off at
Brodhead with a Pietenpol that is Fiesta powered. As I recall it had the gold/turned
cowling burnishing that you're talking about Owen. It sounded like it was going
to
come apart on takeoff the rpm's were so high but he got off the ground....eventually.
As I recall the plane wasn't a performer but if you're out there Jim, please correct
me.
Auto engines just make me uncomfortable when used in an airplane but...they are
reasonable
in cost, but the price some seem to pay in the long run with headaches, heartaches,
and
troubles down the road just don't seem worth the savings. Still I have to say
I LOVE
hearing the Model A powered Piets flying overhead at Brodhead--there is something
about that.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pfeifer Sport plans |
| From: | "Will42" <will(at)cctc.net> |
Reply with your mailing address and I'll get a cd in the mail. [/quote]
Darrel
My mailing address is
R W Howard
916 E Reynosa
De Leon TX 76444
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243737#243737
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| From: | Owen Davies <owen5819(at)comcast.net> |
Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
> There is a gent in my video by the name of Jim Malley who I show taking off at
> Brodhead with a Pietenpol that is Fiesta powered. As I recall it had the gold/turned
> cowling burnishing that you're talking about Owen.
>
That was the name! Can't recall where I saw him. Somewhere in New
Jersey, I think. Never saw it fly.
> Still I have to say I LOVE
> hearing the Model A powered Piets flying overhead at Brodhead--there is something
about that.
You and me both! I don't plan to use one, and that decision pains me
every time I think of the sound.
Owen
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Walt-- rudder offset |
Mike, Walt,
I'd like some more of your thoughts on this subject. Take a look at the
following picture (try to ignore the Grand Canyon in the background):
http://picasaweb.google.com/TresClements/PietenpolTrip#5254282417937096754
What could be the cause, and the potential remedy, of the need to apply
continual right rudder on this plane in cruise flight? Can this be
fixed on a completed and flying Pietenpol?
Thanks, in advance,
Dan
PS. This picture is of the plane I'm planning to buy so I have a vested
interested in the proposed solution.
Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
> I totally agree with Walt Evansthere is no need for rudder offset if
> you rig your plane right and build in
>
> offset when you make your motor mount. If you go thru the Tony
> Bingelis flight test notes of how to test
>
> your homebuilt he gives a step-by-step sequence of how rig your plane
> from how it flies with regard to ball
>
> offset, drift, etc. What you may be correcting for with rudder could
> very well be an error in the rigging of
>
> your wings----or twist in your horizontal stabilizer that you didnt
> true up quite perfectly.
>
>
>
> After all was said and done I added a small aluminum trim tab on my
> rudder to get hands-off cruise for folding
>
> charts and fumbling with things in the cockpit during x-country flights
> but the tab only has the slightest of offset.
>
>
>
> Mike C.
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
41CC has a fixed (bendable) metal trim tab on the rudder=2C which sounds li
ke a pretty common thing. See pic at
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/PC240001.JPG
I cannot fly 41CC with feet flat on the floor in any operating regime but i
t also does not seem to require constant rudder bar pressure to keep the ba
ll centered in cruise flight=2C so I guess the trim tab works fine. The ru
dder just needs the normal pressure to keep the nose straight and the ball
caged on full-power roll and climb=2C which I do not even think about but j
ust do automatically.
I'm not sure how Corky and Edwin computed the required size and deflection
for the rudder trim tab on 41CC but it may have something to do with the sq
uare of the mean rotational force produced by the outer 1/3 of the propelle
r slipstream divided by the logarithmic average of the left and right tire
pressures (at sea level and standard temp./press.=2C of course)=2C correcte
d for the pilot's IQ and marital status.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
p.s. Just recently received my plans, rib jig ready, UPS Ground enroute w/wood.
. Larry
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Believe it or not, I am of the rare breed that prefers cold, snowy weather over
any other kind. The Pietenpol has even reinforced my winter liking because I
had all kinds of time to work on it. Now it is Spring, close to Summer here in
Ohio. I am now tasked with washing cars, cleaning windows, painting, staining
and fixing things around the house that have been neglected. Cutting grass, pulling
weeds, planting a garden... I now have less time to build and it bothers
me to no end! Oh and with the days getting longer, I can't come in because it
is "too dark out to do anything." I want Winter so I can get back to my building
my plane and producing DVDs! WHHAAAA!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | ANY BUILDERS NEAR PENSACOLA? |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net> |
I am wanting to start a Pietenpol soon. Any builders or owners near Pensacola,
FL?? I would buy a project if near me and all spruce and MIL-SPEC plywood. I am
going with Continental power. Probably an O-200. What about 3 piece wing versus
1 piece? I have room to build either way.
Jerry Dotson
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243767#243767
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Finish your airplane and you'll have a whole new reason to enjoy summer.
And a new reason to hate winter.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Just took the RV-4 up for a quick flight - not the same as a Pietenpol, but
low and fast has its appeal too. Similar to that "Treetop Flyer" video that
someone (was it Walt?) put on the list last week (that was an RV-4 as well).
Just blasted over my neighbor's house while she was out washing her car -
200' and 200 mph indicated. FUN!
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Summer blows!
Believe it or not, I am of the rare breed that prefers cold, snowy weather
over any other kind. The Pietenpol has even reinforced my winter liking
because I had all kinds of time to work on it. Now it is Spring, close to
Summer here in Ohio. I am now tasked with washing cars, cleaning windows,
painting, staining and fixing things around the house that have been
neglected. Cutting grass, pulling weeds, planting a garden... I now have
less time to build and it bothers me to no end! Oh and with the days getting
longer, I can't come in because it is "too dark out to do anything." I want
Winter so I can get back to my building my plane and producing DVDs!
WHHAAAA!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Larry, IF you make it to Brodhead, and IF I fly my Pietenpol there, I'll be
happy to give you a ride. You sound like the right size passenger. Of
course, I prefer passengers that are female, 5'7", 125 lbs, and 18 to 20
years old. The prettier the better.
You're a freight dog, aren't you? Do you ever fly into RDU? How about ROA?
My Piet is now based at Smith Mountain Lake, VA (W91) but I could easily fly
it to Roanoke (ROA) or Lynchburg (LYH) if you fly into either of those.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of TriScout
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Ride?
there wouldn't mind company next time you crack out the ol' Piet, I'd be
glad to spring for the gas/oil, b-fast sometime for a ride. Feel free to
"PM" me, as they say. I'm 5'10" weighing in at 165#. I'm E. side of dallas.
(Zip 75043.. google map). Just a thought ..for builder motivational reasons.
p.s. Just recently received my plans, rib jig ready, UPS Ground enroute
w/wood. . Larry
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243764#243764
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Walt-- rudder offset |
Dan,
Things that come to mind are.......
Engine mount not made to print. This can be corrected by adding large flat
"fender" type washers between where the rubber mount meets the mount steel
"flange".
But if you need alot , you may have to slightly modify the cown in front,
where the prop shaft comes thru. I remember the engine has to point down
slightly, but forget if there's a side offset. If you're buying this plane,
and don't have prints, I can get the mount infro to you
Uneven "angle of attack" of both wings, including equal Wash-in and
Wash-out. Fairly easy to find. Put the plane on some Sawhorses, like you
were going to initially rig it. Perfectly level the fuse side to side. Shim
the back horse so that the rear center wing struts and front struts are
level front to back. This means the fuse will be angled down (as per
print).
With the wing root and center section now level in both directions. (use the
bottom of the wing, its easier)
Go to the wing tips, and see what you have. should be slightly down for
wash-in/out, But they must be EQUAL. If not, that's a problem. If made to
the original strut type the end bracket which goes inside the strut end and
is bolted to the wing brackets, would probably have to remade or the holes
on the flat part would have to be filled with weld and redrilled.
Not the end of the world. If so, the cables, if done to plans, would
probably have plenty of adjustment left in the turnbuckles.
This is probably the problem.
If it's flown, any of the two problems would be confirmed by looking at the
ball slip tube, if it has one. To correct , and fly straight with the
rudder, it would show up there
My Mentor always preached the importance of rigging a plane perfectly before
building struts and covering.
I've seen planes that looked great, but didn't fly right. Worst I've seen
(not a Piet) you could stand 50 in front of it and see the wings were not at
the same angle. Guess the builder didn't think it was that important.
When I fly hands off, I can peek my fingertips from behind the windsheild
and make a gentle left or right turn.
One side of the plane has to the exact mirror image of the other
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Walt-- rudder offset
>
> Mike, Walt,
>
> I'd like some more of your thoughts on this subject. Take a look at the
> following picture (try to ignore the Grand Canyon in the background):
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/TresClements/PietenpolTrip#5254282417937096754
>
> What could be the cause, and the potential remedy, of the need to apply
> continual right rudder on this plane in cruise flight? Can this be fixed
> on a completed and flying Pietenpol?
>
> Thanks, in advance,
> Dan
>
> PS. This picture is of the plane I'm planning to buy so I have a vested
> interested in the proposed solution.
>
>
> Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
>> I totally agree with Walt Evansthere is no need for rudder offset if you
>> rig your plane right and build in
>>
>> offset when you make your motor mount. If you go thru the Tony
>> Bingelis flight test notes of how to test
>>
>> your homebuilt he gives a step-by-step sequence of how rig your plane
>> from how it flies with regard to ball
>>
>> offset, drift, etc. What you may be correcting for with rudder could
>> very well be an error in the rigging of
>>
>> your wings----or twist in your horizontal stabilizer that you didnt true
>> up quite perfectly.
>>
>> After all was said and done I added a small aluminum trim tab on my
>> rudder to get hands-off cruise for folding
>>
>> charts and fumbling with things in the cockpit during x-country flights
>> but the tab only has the slightest of offset.
>>
>> Mike C.
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com> |
Larry,
I'm just up the road in Norman, OK. I used to be in the DFW
area...kept my Air Camper at Meacham for a few years. We're having a
fly-in up here this weekend, you are welcome to come up then or
anytime if you'd like. I'll gladly give you a ride if the weather is
right, and if I have my front-seat re-installed. It is out for some
work right now, but I hope to have it in this week.
You might even be able to hitch a ride up here with one of the pilots
from this site:
http://www.dfwpilots.com/board/index.php?showtopic=5319
More information on the fly-in this Saturday(anyone is welcome to come):
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flyin/
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
Quoting TriScout :
>
> To: Anyone w/in a couple hrs of Dallas/Ft Worth w/ a Piet. If anyone
> out there wouldn't mind company next time you crack out the ol'
> Piet, I'd be glad to spring for the gas/oil, b-fast sometime for a
> ride. Feel free to "PM" me, as they say. I'm 5'10" weighing in at
> 165#. I'm E. side of dallas. (Zip 75043.. google map). Just a
> thought ..for builder motivational reasons.
>
> p.s. Just recently received my plans, rib jig ready, UPS Ground
> enroute w/wood. . Larry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243764#243764
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Mike,
Once you're flying you'll start enjoying summer much more !
(and you'll have all winter to take care of chores, besides the obvious ones like
grass, etc)
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Walt-- rudder offset |
Mike C.
I know that if my mind wanders on climbout,,(hope it doesn't remember to
find it's way home) and look at the tree tops etc, and look down and
find I have not enough right rudder in, when I kick it in I can hear the
engine "note" change and I climb faster.
PS everyone try getting your Piet "in step" .......flying along, don't
touch the throttle, push the nose down slightly, feel the increase of
speed, wind noise, airspeed. You think you're descending, but you're
not. Changes the angle of attack of the wing, Pulls that vacuum "bump"
tighter to the top of the wing. You'll see 5 to 10 mph increase in
speed, and you don't lose altitude.
Check it out. Trouble is, I have to actively think of it. If I start
looking at things, I revert back to the low and slow thing. Which is a
good thing.
Ain't Life Grand
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Walt-- rudder offset
I totally agree with Walt Evans-there is no need for rudder offset if
you rig your plane right and build in
offset when you make your motor mount. If you go thru the Tony
Bingelis "flight test" notes of how to test
your homebuilt he gives a step-by-step sequence of how rig your plane
from how it flies with regard to ball
offset, drift, etc. What you may be correcting for with rudder could
very well be an error in the rigging of
your wings----or twist in your horizontal stabilizer that you didn't
true up quite perfectly.
After all was said and done I added a small aluminum trim tab on my
rudder to get hands-off cruise for folding
charts and fumbling with things in the cockpit during x-country
flights but the tab only has the slightest of offset.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
Jim Malley is from NJ like me.
Seeing his Piet on the cover of a builder's mag. (can't remember which one)
Is what made me fall in love with the Pietenpols, and order the plans.
He used to monitor this site, hopefully he'll see this thread.
I still have the mag around here somewhere.
If I can find it and scan it, I will.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Owen Davies" <owen5819(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fiesta
>
> Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
>> There is a gent in my video by the name of Jim Malley who I show taking
>> off at Brodhead with a Pietenpol that is Fiesta powered. As I recall it
>> had the gold/turned
>> cowling burnishing that you're talking about Owen.
>>
> That was the name! Can't recall where I saw him. Somewhere in New Jersey,
> I think. Never saw it fly.
>
>> Still I have to say I LOVE
>> hearing the Model A powered Piets flying overhead at Brodhead--there is
>> something about that.
> You and me both! I don't plan to use one, and that decision pains me every
> time I think of the sound.
>
> Owen
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Summer blows! |
I have to agree with ya Mike, I can get 16 hours in on Saturday and Sunday
during the winter and 30 to 45 minutes a month in the summer to build my
Piet
John
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy
steps!
=Mayfooter51209NO115)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com> |
I'm pretty sure this is the article Walt is referring to:
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=44
Bill C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Change to home email |
| From: | "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com> |
All,
It's been busy at work, thank goodness, so I'm going to ask Matt to send
the emails to my home address, jack(at)textors.com. If anyone needs to get
a message to me fast use my work address jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com.
Thanks,
Jack
www.textors.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | latest OSH email from EAA |
The latest email from EAA announcing the AirVenture fly-in features Dick Na
vratil's Rotec-powered Piet among the other attractions (such as White Knig
ht II=2C the newest Airbus=2C etc.). That airplane is getting to be an all
-time classic.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: ANY BUILDERS NEAR PENSACOLA? |
You cant imagine how much of the work space evaporates when you start
building wings
John
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy
steps!
=Mayfooter51209NO115)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jamie Stevens <jamiepilotman(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Compared Weight to Model A engine |
To the list>
I'm comparing engines to the weight of the Model A...
I'm building using the original BP Pietenpol plans...
first...what is the weight of the Model A...
Compared to the Jabiru 2200 85hp weight 140# complete (includes exhaust, carburetor,
starter motor, alternator and ignition system)
more power less weight...
anyone using the Jabiru 2200? any opinions?
Jamie Stevens
Whiteman Airport WHP
"fuselage, empannage and ribs done"
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Compared Weight to Model A engine |
| From: | "rameses32" <rameses32(at)yahoo.com> |
240lbs with cast iron head I believe, without radiator.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243799#243799
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
RE: Pietenpol-List: FiestaBill C.
That's exactly the article, and mag.
Ain"t she a beaut?
I still have that mag around here somewhere.
Thanks Bill.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fiesta
I'm pretty sure this is the article Walt is referring to:
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=44
Bill C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Walt-- rudder offset |
Walt,
Thanks for the great info! When I fly out to see 'er I'll take a good
look at the wash-out of the wings and the cant of the engine.
Then again, I may not... the current owner, a freshly minted aerospace
engineer, picked this plane up from the previous owner who lost his
medical a few years ago. In the last year he has flown the proverbial
snot out of it - about 120 hours. Can you imagine?!?? Oh, to have that
kind of time on my hands, again. But, I digress... my point is, it's an
airplane that spends *a lot* of time in the air. If it flew badly, it
wouldn't be flying. At least, that's what I'm telling myself.
Thanks,
Dan
walt wrote:
>
> Dan,
> Things that come to mind are.......
> Engine mount not made to print. This can be corrected by adding large
> flat "fender" type washers between where the rubber mount meets the
> mount steel "flange".
> But if you need alot , you may have to slightly modify the cown in
> front, where the prop shaft comes thru. I remember the engine has to
> point down slightly, but forget if there's a side offset. If you're
> buying this plane, and don't have prints, I can get the mount infro to you
>
> Uneven "angle of attack" of both wings, including equal Wash-in and
> Wash-out. Fairly easy to find. Put the plane on some Sawhorses, like
> you were going to initially rig it. Perfectly level the fuse side to
> side. Shim the back horse so that the rear center wing struts and front
> struts are level front to back. This means the fuse will be angled down
> (as per print).
> With the wing root and center section now level in both directions. (use
> the bottom of the wing, its easier)
>
> Go to the wing tips, and see what you have. should be slightly down for
> wash-in/out, But they must be EQUAL. If not, that's a problem. If
> made to the original strut type the end bracket which goes inside the
> strut end and is bolted to the wing brackets, would probably have to
> remade or the holes on the flat part would have to be filled with weld
> and redrilled.
> Not the end of the world. If so, the cables, if done to plans, would
> probably have plenty of adjustment left in the turnbuckles.
> This is probably the problem.
> If it's flown, any of the two problems would be confirmed by looking at
> the ball slip tube, if it has one. To correct , and fly straight with
> the rudder, it would show up there
>
> My Mentor always preached the importance of rigging a plane perfectly
> before building struts and covering.
> I've seen planes that looked great, but didn't fly right. Worst I've
> seen (not a Piet) you could stand 50 in front of it and see the wings
> were not at the same angle. Guess the builder didn't think it was that
> important.
> When I fly hands off, I can peek my fingertips from behind the
> windsheild and make a gentle left or right turn.
> One side of the plane has to the exact mirror image of the other
>
>
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Walt-- rudder offset
>
>
>>
>> Mike, Walt,
>>
>> I'd like some more of your thoughts on this subject. Take a look at
>> the following picture (try to ignore the Grand Canyon in the background):
>>
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/TresClements/PietenpolTrip#5254282417937096754
>>
>>
>> What could be the cause, and the potential remedy, of the need to
>> apply continual right rudder on this plane in cruise flight? Can this
>> be fixed on a completed and flying Pietenpol?
>>
>> Thanks, in advance,
>> Dan
>>
>> PS. This picture is of the plane I'm planning to buy so I have a
>> vested interested in the proposed solution.
>>
>>
>> Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
>>> I totally agree with Walt Evansthere is no need for rudder offset if
>>> you rig your plane right and build in
>>>
>>> offset when you make your motor mount. If you go thru the Tony
>>> Bingelis flight test notes of how to test
>>>
>>> your homebuilt he gives a step-by-step sequence of how rig your plane
>>> from how it flies with regard to ball
>>>
>>> offset, drift, etc. What you may be correcting for with rudder
>>> could very well be an error in the rigging of
>>>
>>> your wings----or twist in your horizontal stabilizer that you didnt
>>> true up quite perfectly.
>>>
>>> After all was said and done I added a small aluminum trim tab on my
>>> rudder to get hands-off cruise for folding
>>>
>>> charts and fumbling with things in the cockpit during x-country
>>> flights but the tab only has the slightest of offset.
>>>
>>> Mike C.
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>
>> --
>> Dan Yocum
>> Fermilab 630.840.6509
>> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>> Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dick N." <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: latest OSH email from EAA |
Thanks Oscar
I just also saw that ad in Aircraft owned magazine. I am really amazed
at the number of places that picture has been used. I was at Sun n Fun
last year and saw an Aircraft Spruce flyer with it on the face.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga
To: Pietenpol List
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: latest OSH email from EAA
The latest email from EAA announcing the AirVenture fly-in features
Dick Navratil's Rotec-powered Piet among the other attractions (such as
White Knight II, the newest Airbus, etc.). That airplane is getting to
be an all-time classic.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Walt-- rudder offset |
You didn't really think I could resist looking through
the rest of the pics did you?
So what's up with #182?? :-)
Clif
>
> Mike, Walt,
>
> I'd like some more of your thoughts on this subject. Take a look at the
> following picture (try to ignore the Grand Canyon in the background):
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/TresClements/PietenpolTrip#5254282417937096754
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| Subject: | Re: ANY BUILDERS NEAR PENSACOLA? |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jerry,
Addressing the one-piece wing: I have built, and am in the process of covering/painting
the one-piece. I love it because of it's originality and simplicity.
It does create handling problems because of space issues. I do have a large hangar,
but you know how that goes....no matter how much space you have it always
seems to get filled up with something. BUT overall I am glad I went with the
one-piece, mostly because I am somewhat of a purist.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson(at)erec.net>
Sent: Tue, 12 May 2009 3:13 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ANY BUILDERS NEAR PENSACOLA?
I am wanting to start a Pietenpol soon. Any builders or owners near Pensacola,
FL?? I would buy a project if near me and all spruce and MIL-SPEC plywood. I am
going with Continental power. Probably an O-200. What about 3 piece wing versus
1 piece? I have room to build either way.
Jerry Dotson
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Walt-- rudder offset |
It looks like a picture of a picture - there's a signature on the top
and wood frame on the left. If I recall correctly, that feature is in
Arches National Park, Utah. Other than those observations, I know
nothing about the picture.
I asked the owner if the scenery in the rest of the pictures comes with
the purchase of the plane. Apparently, only if I move out of the Midwest...
Cheers,
Dan
Clif Dawson wrote:
>
> You didn't really think I could resist looking through
> the rest of the pics did you?
>
> So what's up with #182?? :-)
>
> Clif
>
>>
>> Mike, Walt,
>>
>> I'd like some more of your thoughts on this subject. Take a look at the
>> following picture (try to ignore the Grand Canyon in the background):
>>
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/TresClements/PietenpolTrip#5254282417937096754
>>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
You may be right Jack. I'll have to hurry this project up and find out.
-
For me, low at any speed is cool. I'll start with the slower Pietenpol for
now and see what comes in the future.
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Summer blows! |
Copy that John! Looks to be a loooong Summer...
-
-
I have to agree with ya Mike, I can get 16 hours in on Saturday and Sunday
during the winter and 30 to 45 minutes a month in the summer to build my Pi
et
-
John
-
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| From: | "Jim Quinn" <quinnj(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Horizontal Stab diminsion question |
Are the side pieces on the hort. stab 1 x1 boards or 1 x 3/4?
Thanks,
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Walt-- rudder offset |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Dan,
After clicking on your Grand Canyon photos , I was amazed at the great
shots , 222 photos in all, what a tour !!!, The shot of the airplane shooting
through the stone arch, is great. How many "lists" guys hit the arrows above the
rudder shot to get a great trip in a Piet,
By the way, check the rigging first, second, a tab on the rudder will help take
your foot off the rudder. Either way you wont miss the great flights to come.
Pieti Lowell
PS. This picture is of the plane I'm planning to buy so I have a vested
interested in the proposed solution.
Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
> I totally agree with Walt Evansthere is no need for rudder offset if
> you rig your plane right and build in
>
> offset when you make your motor mount. If you go thru the Tony
> Bingelis flight test notes of how to test
>
> your homebuilt he gives a step-by-step sequence of how rig your plane
> from how it flies with regard to ball
>
> offset, drift, etc. What you may be correcting for with rudder could
> very well be an error in the rigging of
>
> your wings----or twist in your horizontal stabilizer that you didnt
> true up quite perfectly.
>
>
>
> After all was said and done I added a small aluminum trim tab on my
> rudder to get hands-off cruise for folding
>
> charts and fumbling with things in the cockpit during x-country flights
> but the tab only has the slightest of offset.
>
>
>
> Mike C.
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.[/quote]
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| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks Steve, Jack for the replies..
I freight-dog it thru Dover mostly as of late, before heading over the pond w/quick
layover usually, but thanks for your generosity Jack. And Steve, thanks as
well. I'm kind of looking for something more local (w/in 2hrs drive) than Oklahoma,
but I'm definately planning to slip into Brodhead this year, if I my sched
permits. Mybe I can requisition a joy ride there :D
p.s.
I'm liking the Yellow Piet as well as Jacks. Thought I saw it on youtube before.
My goal when I build mine is a 3-piec wing, 3/4 inch, unroutered simple spar,
Conti-powered like both of yours, x-c ability (extra fuel), antique charm/gauges.
I'm liking both the wooden and the cub style to the gear. Probably leaning
toward Jack's gear for antique look. Otherwise, I'll plan to follow the rule
of "keep in stupid, simple"
Lar
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| Subject: | Re: Horizontal Stab diminsion question |
| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> |
Jim, this is how I did it
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/Tail_Wood_Piece_Location.jpg
Chris
--------
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| From: | Andrew M Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com> |
I think the Piet's main XC limitation is not the fuel tank, but rather the
lack of a sufficiently soft chair.
Andrew
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:50 AM, TriScout wrote:
>
> Thanks Steve, Jack for the replies..
>
> I freight-dog it thru Dover mostly as of late, before heading over the pond
> w/quick layover usually, but thanks for your generosity Jack. And Steve,
> thanks as well. I'm kind of looking for something more local (w/in 2hrs
> drive) than Oklahoma, but I'm definately planning to slip into Brodhead this
> year, if I my sched permits. Mybe I can requisition a joy ride there :D
>
> p.s.
> I'm liking the Yellow Piet as well as Jacks. Thought I saw it on youtube
> before. My goal when I build mine is a 3-piec wing, 3/4 inch, unroutered
> simple spar, Conti-powered like both of yours, x-c ability (extra fuel),
> antique charm/gauges. I'm liking both the wooden and the cub style to the
> gear. Probably leaning toward Jack's gear for antique look. Otherwise, I'll
> plan to follow the rule of "keep in stupid, simple"
>
> Lar
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243875#243875
>
>
--
Andrew M. Eldredge
Sahuarita, AZ
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: latest OSH email from EAA |
Dick,
With as many times as I have see your Piet, I am certain that it is
quickly becoming the identifying bird for the flock. You need to begin
collecting royalty fees soon. Pictures do not do it justice.
John
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
I have a wicker seat I laced. It seems comfortable enough on my trial sits, but
time will tell how it will work in the field. I don't recall having seen anyone
else with wicker on the seat part.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | Compared Weight to Model A engine |
| From: | "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com> |
In general, just about anything that makes the plane lighter is a good
thing...
However... in order to fly, your plane will need a weight and balance
calculation, and with a lighter engine, you'll likely need a longer
motor mount. The lighter the engine, the longer the mount.
Something to think about.
Just want to avoid looking something like this (an anteater comes to
mind):
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jamie
Stevens
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 6:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Compared Weight to Model A engine
To the list>
I'm comparing engines to the weight of the Model A...
I'm building using the original BP Pietenpol plans...
first...what is the weight of the Model A...
Compared to the Jabiru 2200 85hp weight 140# complete (includes exhaust,
carburetor, starter motor, alternator and ignition system)
more power less weight...
anyone using the Jabiru 2200? any opinions?
Jamie Stevens
Whiteman Airport WHP
"fuselage, empannage and ribs done"
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Piet endurance |
Dan knowing the purist you are I am certain that the seat was part of
Bernard's unpublished original extra secret comfort design seating
You know I just couldn't help myself
John
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | plywood seats and John Recine |
knowing the purist you are I am certain that the seat was part of Bernard's
unpublished original extra secret comfort design seating
You know I just couldn't help myself
John
You know folks, if you've never met John Recine in person be certain to avo
id him at all costs if going to Brodhead. This guy will
take you under, you'll end up in the Green County Courthouse by Saturday at
noon. Here's a wanted poster in the making from a photo
I took of John Hoffman and John last summer at Brodhead. Actually John's
not a trouble maker at all and has a great sense of humor.
(he certainly was gracious with us harassing him after just meeting him-ask
John !)
I'm not sure what various types of seat designs that Mr. Bernard H. Pietenp
ol used on his 26 variants of the Pietenpol Air Camper (to include
using a V-8 engine on one, tailwheel and radio on another and modern 1940's
Cub engine on a few) but the plywood slab seats aren't too
bad if you've got some natural padding. I'm sure the wicker is going to
look nice Dan and if not mistaken don't you have cane inserts on
one or both of your seats Greg Cardinal on your and Dale's Pietenpol ?
PS-here's an additional tip about John Recine. Get in front of him durin
g the Saturday night Brodhead pork chop dinner:)
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
| From: | "womenfly2" <keriannprice(at)hotmail.com> |
To add my 2-cents here. I would say it is NOT a Pietenpol if it deviates from the
basic outline of the plan form that Bernie designed including all his various
design iterations of the Piet too.
Building materials does not matter, nor does how it is constructed but, changing
the shape of the outline of any parts, i.e. wing, tail, fuselage, would fall
into this " is NOT a Pietenpol" category.
Cheers,
Keri-Ann
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: plywood seats and John Recine |
FYI, John R is the good looking one!
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| Subject: | Lost papers of BHP- seat design |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
John,
How did you know about the lost papers of BHP describing the wicker seat design
I followed? I must have let it leak out last year at Brodhead (after a few brewskis).
Dan Heslper
Poplar Grove, IL
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| From: | gcardinal(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: plywood seats and John Recine |
NX18235 has wicker on the seat backs only, not the seat. Stepping on the se
at is the normal procedure for entering and exiting, not sure how the wicke
r will hold up being stepped on.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D. Cuy (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cu
y(at)nasa.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:52:44 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Pietenpol-List: plywood seats and John Recine
knowing the purist you are I am certain that the seat was part of Bernard's
unpublished original extra secret comfort design seating=C2-
You know I just couldn't help myself
John
You know folks, if you=99ve never met John Recine in person be certai
n to avoid him at all costs if going to Brodhead.=C2-=C2- This guy will
take you under, you=99ll end up in the Green County Courthouse by Sat
urday at noon.=C2-=C2- Here=99s a wanted poster in the making fro
m a photo
I took of John Hoffman and John last summer at Brodhead.=C2-=C2-=C2-
Actually John=99s not a trouble maker at all and has a great sense of
humor.
(he certainly was gracious with us harassing him after just meeting him
=94ask John !)=C2-=C2-
I=99m not sure what various types of seat designs that Mr. Bernard H.
Pietenpol used on his 26 variants of the Pietenpol Air Camper (to include
using a V-8 engine on one, tailwheel and radio on another and modern 1940
=99s Cub engine on a few) but the plywood slab seats aren=99t t
oo
bad if you=99ve got some natural padding.=C2-=C2- =C2-I
=99m sure the wicker is going to look nice Dan and if not mistaken don
=99t you have cane inserts on
one or both of your seats Greg Cardinal on your and Dale=99s Pietenpo
l ?
PS=94here=99s an additional tip about John Recine.=C2-=C2-
Get in=C2- front of him during the Saturday night Brodhead pork chop dinn
er J
Mike C.
=C2-
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Lost papers of BHP- seat design |
Geez Dan
I always suspected you had them I just never thought you would go public
with that info, now everyone is gonna know! They will be lined up at your
door, having the lost papers is worse than being stuck with the da Vinci
papers.
Everyone wants to know what Bernard was thinking,
Only a few can actually read Italian or care to read those papers
My friend I suggest you get rid of them now before its too late.
John
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: plywood seats and John Recine |
I am certain Dan has already did the weigh comparisons between himself and
Bernard having flown with Dan I can attest that he is of proper design size
and weight.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Mine has 2" thick temperfoam cushions with leather upholstery. I flew it 13
hours straight to get to Brodhead last year (with 4 stops for fuel). I
would say the main XC limitation is its innate lack of speed.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew M
Eldredge
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Ride?
I think the Piet's main XC limitation is not the fuel tank, but rather the
lack of a sufficiently soft chair.
Andrew
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:50 AM, TriScout wrote:
Thanks Steve, Jack for the replies..
I freight-dog it thru Dover mostly as of late, before heading over the pond
w/quick layover usually, but thanks for your generosity Jack. And Steve,
thanks as well. I'm kind of looking for something more local (w/in 2hrs
drive) than Oklahoma, but I'm definately planning to slip into Brodhead this
year, if I my sched permits. Mybe I can requisition a joy ride there :D
p.s.
I'm liking the Yellow Piet as well as Jacks. Thought I saw it on youtube
before. My goal when I build mine is a 3-piec wing, 3/4 inch, unroutered
simple spar, Conti-powered like both of yours, x-c ability (extra fuel),
antique charm/gauges. I'm liking both the wooden and the cub style to the
gear. Probably leaning toward Jack's gear for antique look. Otherwise, I'll
plan to follow the rule of "keep in stupid, simple"
Lar
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| From: | "Mac Zirges" <macz(at)casco.net> |
| Subject: | Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper |
Jorge--
Many years ago, during the 1970's I think, a canadian named Ed Lubitz
brought a Fiesta-powered Piet to Oshkosh several years in a row. It had
a rubber cog-type belt drive to get prop RPM down while letting the
engine spin up to rated horsepower for takeoff. It flew well and I
personally measured several takeoffs comparable to a Piper Super Cub!
It was a kick to watch since it seemed to levitate. He marketed plans
for the belt drive for several years and I was going to use it on my
Piet, but Fiestas are no longer available in the US and so I have gone
back to the Ford A engine.
Mac in Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: jorge lizarraga
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I am thinking about using this engine
in an Aircamper
hello im build a piet in these moment and you take my attention
can you telmy more about ford fiesta engines for piet tanks jorge
--- On Sun, 5/10/09, Pieti Lowell
wrote:
From: Pieti Lowell <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I am thinking about using this
engine in an Aircamper
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 12:39 PM
My opinion would be, test stand proof.
Prop pitch to turn 2400 RPM
Remove all steel that is replaceable with Al.Pan, rocker cover etc.
I think that is a vacuum pump under the fuel pump, got to go.
Replace pulleys that are required with Al.
Compare this engine to a Ford Fiesta, on a Piet flown from the East
coast to
Brodhead.
The weight can be trimmed to be Pietenpol worthy, but I think it may be
a bit
shy on CIs. to haul 2 heavies on a warm day.
It will be a smooth runner, at 2200 RPM.
The spark advance must return to retard, or she will snap a finger or
two, with
the Ign. system I see, when hand started.
Pieti Lowell
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| From: | "Jim Quinn" <quinnj(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Horizontal Stab diminsion question |
Thanks Chris, that helps a ton!
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 9:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Horizontal Stab diminsion question
>
> Jim, this is how I did it
>
> http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/Tail_Wood_Piece_Location.jpg
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris Tracy
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243878#243878
>
>
>
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper |
tanks so mouch for the inform I tink comeng back too about another a65 or c
orvier orso tanks again jorge
--- On Mon, 1/1/90, Mac Zirges wrote:
From: Mac Zirges <macz(at)casco.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I am thinking about using this engine in a
n Aircamper
Date: Monday, January 1, 1990, 1:18 AM
Jorge--
Many years ago, during the 1970's I think, a canadian named Ed Lubitz broug
ht a Fiesta-powered Piet to Oshkosh several years in a row.- It had a rub
ber cog-type belt drive to get prop RPM down while letting the engine spin
up to rated horsepower for takeoff.- It flew well and I personally measur
ed several takeoffs comparable to a Piper Super Cub!- It was a kick to wa
tch since it seemed to levitate.- He marketed plans for the belt drive fo
r several years and I was going to use it on my Piet, but Fiestas are no lo
nger available in the US and so I have gone back to the Ford A engine.
-
Mac in Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: jorge lizarraga
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I am thinking about using this engine in a
n Aircamper
hello im build a piet in these moment and you take my attention can you tel
my more about ford fiesta engines for piet tanks jorge
--- On Sun, 5/10/09, Pieti Lowell wrote:
From: Pieti Lowell <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Ai
rcamper
Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 12:39 PM
My opinion would be, test stand proof.
Prop pitch to turn 2400 RPM
Remove all steel that is replaceable with Al.Pan, rocker cover etc.
I think that is a vacuum pump under the fuel pump, got to go.
Replace pulleys that are required with Al.
Compare this engine to a Ford Fiesta, on a Piet flown from the East coast t
o
Brodhead.
The weight can be trimmed to be Pietenpol worthy, but I think it may be a b
it
shy on CIs. to haul 2 heavies on a warm day.
It will be a smooth runner, at 2200 RPM.
The spark advance must return to retard, or she will snap a finger or two,
with
the Ign. system I see, when hand started.
Pieti Lowell
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
The main drawback of the slab seat is being flat, it doesn't distribute the
pressure evenly, thereby creating pressure points over time. A gentle
contour, when when covered with some foam would distribute the pressure more
evenly and increase comfort considerably.
I cut an oval shaped hole in the seat and put two layers of fiberglass
forming a shallow bowl. Didn't add any weight, is at least as strong, drops
me down in the cockpit an inch or two (smaller windscreens) and is much more
comfy during those long XC flights around my workshop making airplane
noises.
Only drawback so far is I've had to put a bend in the tube going to the
front stick to avoid it.
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
My last thought on this subject is this: I am not convinced that completely
re guarding a plane as a "Non-Pietenpol" just because of some modification
s is a good idea. My plane will have lots of small mods, most of which will
never be seen/noticed when covered. (The leading edge will look like all o
thers, although my method/design under the fabric is not from the prints.)
Some mods will jump right out at you. But, to not call is a Pietenpol takes
due credit away from the Pietenpol family. I mean, the plans are 100% Piet
enpol. Even if the plane itself turns out to be 50% authentic, that other 5
0% belongs to Pietenpol...that is where it all starts. I just feel there sh
ould be some credit given there. To disreguard it outright I don't agree wi
th.
-
So, as I said, mine is a Pietenpol Air Camper with modifications. A "Pereze
npol", if you will.
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
One possible reason to call your creation something slightly different
than a "Pietenpol" is to protect the name of the original designer. So if
you make a wing out of cardboard but it still looks the same - whose fault
is it if it fails in flight. I would hate to see Bernard (not "Bernie"
mind you) get blamed for some stupid mistake that I make. So - "Stinemetze
Air Camper" is a good possibility for registration purposes but it will
be a "Pietenpol Air Camper" to anyone who talks to me out on the ramp.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
You can contact Dan to see if your modifications can be found in his only
existing copy of the missing Bernard H. Pietenpol lost papers. Dan is a
really righteous kinda guy who may do the research and either grant you an
exemption or absolution which opens the door to many modifications. I will warn
you though, you have to catch him just right or its vengeance time for you
my friend.
Just a suggestion in your quest for acceptance, without it your designs
could be shunned by all the other Piets attending Brodhead. Those Piets on
the pedigree line at Brodhead can be viscous, especially when no one is
looking.
John
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
In a message dated 5/14/2009 9:44:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
TOMS(at)mcpcity.com writes:
"Stinemetze Air Camper
I agree in principal, however I don't really want to name mine a
"Stinemetze Air Camper.
John
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| From: | H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
Theres the Pietenpol A model and B model and C model and D model and E model;are
we up to Z yet ;-)
________________________________
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:17:22 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?
My last thought on this subject is this: I am not convinced that completely re
guarding a plane as a "Non-Pietenpol" just because of some modifications is a
good idea. My plane will have lots of small mods, most of which will never be
seen/noticed when covered. (The leading edge will look like all others, although
my method/design under the fabric is not from the prints.) Some mods will jump
right out at you. But, to not call is a Pietenpol takes due credit away from
the Pietenpol family. I mean, the plans are 100% Pietenpol. Even if the plane
itself turns out to be 50% authentic, that other 50% belongs to Pietenpol...that
is where it all starts. I just feel there should be some credit given there.
To disreguard it outright I don't agree with.
So, as I said, mine is a Pietenpol Air Camper with modifications. A "Perezenpol",
if you will.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | My hanger got robbed the other night! |
Guys, Bad news from the home base, some rotten piece of @$%#^ broke into my
hanger last night and stole every power tool I had.- A band saw, drill p
ress chain saw, miter saw, jig saw, circular saw, and a bunch more.- If a
ny of you see any great deals on some craftsman power tools, or a delta ben
ch top band saw in the Ohio area please let me know.- I would love to bur
n the S.O.B.- that broke into my home while I was asleep, 150 ft away.-
The good news is the-Piet looks-untouched, as do my hand tools, and my
jungster project in the shop.- Into each life a little rain must fall...
......but I am starting to think I need a boat.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Tom,
I wouldn't worry. If you make your wing out of cardboard, or in some other
fashion construct a weak and unairworthy aircraft, AND manage to get an
airworthiness certificate, Bernard won't be blamed if you come falling out
of the sky. After the FAA gets done picking through the wreckage and
determines that the aircraft was not properly constructed the blame would
fall on your shoulders as the builder, and quite possibly the DAR that
signed off on it.
If you build the aircraft correctly and safely and there is some inherent
flaw in the design that leads to a problem, that would be a different story.
However, I don't think you need to worry much about that. 80 years of
testing should have pretty well eliminated any kinks by now.
We'll call ours a Pietenpol Air Camper, as those are the plans we are
building from. If somone takes issue with the name because it is not close
enough to the original design, I really don't care. There are far more
productive things to concern myself with than what YOU (you in the larger
sense, not you specifically Tom) think my airplane should be called. :)
Have a good day,
Ryan
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 8:41 AM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
> *One possible reason to call your creation something slightly different
> than a "Pietenpol" is to protect the name of the original designer. So if
> you make a wing out of cardboard but it still looks the same - whose fault
> is it if it fails in flight. I would hate to see Bernard (not "Bernie" mind
> you) get blamed for some stupid mistake that I make. So - "Stinemetze Air
> Camper" is a good possibility for registration purposes but it will be a
> "Pietenpol Air Camper" to anyone who talks to me out on the ramp.*
> **
> *Tom Stinemetze*
> *McPherson, KS.*
>
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| From: | RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! |
sorry to hear Shad. I have followed your Pietenpol news on the list. Maybe
the cops will find them?....
Boyce
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
It's a grey area for sure...where to draw the line. If some one built their
plane to 100%accuracycy, say as to the original Pietenpol, but registered
it and called to to all who asked anything other then-a Pietenpol Air Cam
per, is it NOT a Pietenpol?-
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
>>don't really want to name mine a "Stinemetze Air Camper.
>>John
I completely understand. There are precious few people out there who can
correctly
spell "Stinemetze" three times in a row. Yours could be an "Air Camper
John" or something.
(Humm, on second thought - probably not.)
Stinemetze
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
ya gotched me there!
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instant savings!
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| From: | CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! |
In a message dated 5/14/2009 9:10:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com writes:
.........but I am starting to think I need a boat.
==============================
No Shad, you need an alarm system, night vision goggles and the weapon(s)
of your choice, if within the city limits I'd suggest a nice compound
crossbow.
Go to Sears and ask if you can have the boxes a lot of big power tools
come in, leave them out at the curb the day before trash day so plenty of
people see them.
If you turn the other cheek you may have self abuse issues.
Then get a boat so you can enjoy sunsets and chuckle about the time....
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! |
Shad,
We can only hope they show up on Craig's list or E bay although I would
prefer to see them in the news, tool thief gets fingers cut off by angry saw!
I doubt anyone would take them to use them for anything other than
converting them to quick cash. It may even be someone you know and have trusted
Shad I am sorry to hear that someone would do that to you or anyone else,
you know the perp may be closer than you think. They had to know you had
tools there to take. People don't just break into a hangar hoping to find
something, the break in to take your stuff and its always better to know what's
there for the taking before committing the crime.
John
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instant savings!
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! |
Shad, I'll keep an eye out for ya. I'm up near the Cleveland area.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | from the FAA's viewpoint |
We can name our planes anything we want as far as model goes but the manufa
cturer (by signed
affidavit required by the FAA saying you built it) is always the PERSON who
built it.
This whole topic of when to/not to call a Pietenpol a Pietenpol is a farse
because it's just like trying to nail down
jello. There is no black and white answer-everything is opinion and emoti
on when you discuss something like
this.
Bottom line ? Have fun, build, learn, enjoy, fly, and share-no matter wha
t mods you incorporate or what you call it.
Enjoy the good stuff about Pietenpols and don't let the rest of this suck t
he life out of anyone.
Mike C.
N-number : N48MC
Aircraft Serial Number : 189
Aircraft Manufacturer : CUY MICHAEL D
Model : PIETENPOL AIR CAMPER<http://www9.landings.
com/cgi-bin/nph-search_ac?pass=127100075&pattern1=05605C0&fld_nr1=0>
Engine Manufacturer : CONT MOTOR
Model : A&C65 SERIES<http://www9.landings.com/cgi-
bin/nph-search_eng?pass=127100075&pattern1=17003&fld_nr1=0>
Aircraft Year : 1998
Owner Name : CUY MICHAEL D
Owner Address : 298 RUNN ST
BEREA, OH, 44017-1854
Type of Owner : Individual
Registration Date : 28-Oct-1997
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
Approved Operations : Amateur Built
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
This reminds me of the time a friend of mine was trying to figure out
what car to buy. He'd finally reached a point in life where he could
lash out and buy as sportscar (kids taken care of, he and his wife
had jobs they loved, they both had saved for this and were excited,
etc.). For some reason, he got hung up on what defines a "sportscar."
Knowing that I'd owned several things like Healeys, MB 23-16Vs, etc,
he asked me "What makes a car as sportscarI?". I thought for a while
and came up with: "A sportscar is whatever kind of car that makes you
feel "sporty" when you drive it. And "sporty" is completely up to
you."
In the same sense, a Pietenpol is whatever kind of plane that makes
you feel like you're flying a Pietenpol when you fly it. This feeling
could be wrapped up in nostalgia, could be the extreme happiness
afforded by an evening flight, could be a philosophy of "simplicate"
in building, or maybe it's the clubbiness of being involved with this
email list. I'm sure Oscar could express it better.
So for me, when someone pulls up to the pump in something that
vaguely resembles a Pietenpol, and they get out of the plane with a
big smile on their face and refer to their plane as a Pietenpol,
well, that's good enough for me.
>
>Surly this was meant to be a funny, correct? I mean I really like
>the part (past what I have done), and then calling everybody that
>has changed anything from the plans "Dubious".
>
>Pietenpol himself never built two aircraft the same from what I have
>seen, he was constantly updating and improving. I'm not sure he
>ever put a door in, or built a three piece wing, used brakes?
>Stearable tail wheel? Engine Choice? Material, did he ever build a
>steel tube fuselage, 4130, 1020? Fuel tank choice, deeper fuselage,
>wider fuselage, jury struts? Built up spars? The list is endless,
>and the man himself said "If you know your stuff, you may be able to
>make improvements in this ship" He was talking about the Sky Scout,
>but he didn't say, if you change it, don't call it a Pietenpol.
>
>Anyway, it made me laugh, now, back to the drawing board, I bet if I
>add three feet to each wing and 6" to the chord, I can stuff that
>V-10 out of my Viper into my Pietenpol and improve the...............
>
>
>Charley
>
>
>> At the risk of being pillared; Those that do too many mods,
>>should have their right to call their airplane a "Pietenpol" Air
>>Camper, removed. If they want to call it an "aircamper" (note lower
>>case) that is fine but we all need to draw the line somewhere, and
>>this is the place. So officially, anyone who incorporates too many
>>changes (past what I have done) will going forward be placed in
>>this dubious category.
>>
>> Dan Helsper
>> Poplar Grove, IL
>>
>>
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243693#243693
>
>
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! |
John, thats the scarry part, they probably used flash lights, and a look ou
t.- They were kind of picky in what they took.- I had a 90 degree threa
ded bit air drill (aircraft drill) and they left it after knocking it on th
e floor.- Did not take my cordless tools because the batts were not in th
em.- I can't think of any one who I know who would do this, but like you
said they knew I had it some how.- The other part is that they had to nav
igate around 2 tractors, air hose on the floor and not smack there head on
the wing of the piet, which is where they carried a 30lbs miter saw under t
he wing, to get it out.- I would love to find them and fill em up with bu
ck shot, or tie em up and cut there limbs off with the chain saw they stole
.
Shad=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: from the FAA's viewpoint |
Mike, how did you come up with a serial number for a home built experimental?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
My 65 Mustang was a sportscar. But it had the straight 6 with a three speed. It
would certainly not outrun much of anything with a V8 but it sure was fun to
drive. I sold it to buy a new prop for my Vtail.
"It is more fun to ride a slow motorcyle fast than a fast motorcycle slow."
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:59
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?
> This reminds me of the time a friend of mine was trying to figure
> out
> what car to buy. He'd finally reached a point in life where he
> could
> lash out and buy as sportscar (kids taken care of, he and his wife
> had jobs they loved, they both had saved for this and were
> excited,
> etc.). For some reason, he got hung up on what defines a
> "sportscar."
> Knowing that I'd owned several things like Healeys, MB 23-16Vs,
> etc,
> he asked me "What makes a car as sportscarI?". I thought for a
> while
> and came up with: "A sportscar is whatever kind of car that makes
> you
> feel "sporty" when you drive it. And "sporty" is completely up to
> you."
>
> In the same sense, a Pietenpol is whatever kind of plane that
> makes
> you feel like you're flying a Pietenpol when you fly it. This
> feeling
> could be wrapped up in nostalgia, could be the extreme happiness
> afforded by an evening flight, could be a philosophy of
> "simplicate"
> in building, or maybe it's the clubbiness of being involved with
> this
> email list. I'm sure Oscar could express it better.
>
> So for me, when someone pulls up to the pump in something that
> vaguely resembles a Pietenpol, and they get out of the plane with
> a
> big smile on their face and refer to their plane as a Pietenpol,
> well, that's good enough for me.
>
> >
> >Surly this was meant to be a funny, correct? I mean I really like
> >the part (past what I have done), and then calling everybody that
> >has changed anything from the plans "Dubious".
> >
> >Pietenpol himself never built two aircraft the same from what I have
> >seen, he was constantly updating and improving. I'm not sure he
> >ever put a door in, or built a three piece wing, used brakes?
> >Stearable tail wheel? Engine Choice? Material, did he ever build a
> >steel tube fuselage, 4130, 1020? Fuel tank choice, deeper fuselage,
> >wider fuselage, jury struts? Built up spars? The list is endless,
> >and the man himself said "If you know your stuff, you may be able to
> >make improvements in this ship" He was talking about the Sky Scout,
> >but he didn't say, if you change it, don't call it a Pietenpol.
> >
> >Anyway, it made me laugh, now, back to the drawing board, I bet if I
> >add three feet to each wing and 6" to the chord, I can stuff that
> >V-10 out of my Viper into my Pietenpol and improve the...............
> >
> >
> >Charley
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> At the risk of being pillared; Those that do too many mods,
> >>should have their right to call their airplane a "Pietenpol" Air
> >>Camper, removed. If they want to call it an "aircamper" (note lower
> >>case) that is fine but we all need to draw the line somewhere, and
> >>this is the place. So officially, anyone who incorporates too many
> >>changes (past what I have done) will going forward be placed in
> >>this dubious category.
> >>
> >> Dan Helsper
> >> Poplar Grove, IL
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Read this topic online here:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243693#243693
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> ---
>
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
> Editor-in-Chief
> Molecular Vision
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! |
Shad,
Only 3 people would do that to ya, someone unemployed and against the
ropes, a scumbag and a druggie looking for a fast score. If it were dumb kids
they would have not been as selective or would have tried to take everything
if they couldn't find cash, electronics, jewelry kool stuff or easily
converted to cash.
These guys, knew the layout, location, your location and easily sold items.
John
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instant savings!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Serial numbers for Pietenpols are arbitrary so I just wrote down the number
that Donald Pietenpol jotted down
on my set of plans. Not sure if other homebuilts (like RV-4's, etc) have
realistic suggestions or serial numbers but
others on the list could chime in I'm sure.
Regarding naming your model when you apply to the FAA you could call it any
thing you want. A Whoopdie Doo Special,
or something really stupid like Butterfly Wings or whatever you're heart de
sires-we don't have to call our planes
Pietenpol Air Campers or GN-1 Grega Aircampers at all. (but it helps when
you want to prove that the design is at
least 30 years old so it grants you the legal right to do away with the big
billboard EXPERIMENTAL bumper sticker
ala Oscar Z.'s nice article in the BPAN paper newsletter.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dave Abramson" <davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com> |
| Subject: | My hanger got robbed the other night! |
Hey Shad,
Sorry to hear of your misfortune!!! This happened to someone on the MG chat
list...... he put the word out..... we all watched e-bay.....
started to see some of the car parts he described...... Called the police ,
set up the purchase, and BUSTED!!! It was perfect!
Could be a bit harder with power tools.... unless they are marked in such a
way that you can ID them....
best Regards,
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:59 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My hanger got robbed the other night!
John, thats the scarry part, they probably used flash lights, and a
look out. They were kind of picky in what they took. I had a 90 degree
threaded bit air drill (aircraft drill) and they left it after knocking it
on the floor. Did not take my cordless tools because the batts were not in
them. I can't think of any one who I know who would do this, but like you
said they knew I had it some how. The other part is that they had to
navigate around 2 tractors, air hose on the floor and not smack there head
on the wing of the piet, which is where they carried a 30lbs miter saw under
the wing, to get it out. I would love to find them and fill em up with buck
shot, or tie em up and cut there limbs off with the chain saw they stole.
Shad
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "ALAN LYSCARS" <alyscars(at)myfairpoint.net> |
| Subject: | Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! |
Shad..
This ain't a little rain, it's monsoon in my book. Hope you get your
stuff back; if not, you find an opportunity to stuff something (sounds
like Ted) into the thieves' back.
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My hanger got robbed the other night!
Guys, Bad news from the home base, some rotten piece of @$%#^
broke into my hanger last night and stole every power tool I had. A
band saw, drill press chain saw, miter saw, jig saw, circular saw, and a
bunch more. If any of you see any great deals on some craftsman power
tools, or a delta bench top band saw in the Ohio area please let me
know. I would love to burn the S.O.B. that broke into my home while I
was asleep, 150 ft away. The good news is the Piet looks untouched, as
do my hand tools, and my jungster project in the shop. Into each life a
little rain must fall.........but I am starting to think I need a boat.
Shad
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! |
Shad,
>From what I understand, any theft or damage on or around airplanes is a
federal offence.
I'd call the FAA and ask. Get the Feds on their ass
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My hanger got robbed the other night!
Guys, Bad news from the home base, some rotten piece of @$%#^
broke into my hanger last night and stole every power tool I had. A
band saw, drill press chain saw, miter saw, jig saw, circular saw, and a
bunch more. If any of you see any great deals on some craftsman power
tools, or a delta bench top band saw in the Ohio area please let me
know. I would love to burn the S.O.B. that broke into my home while I
was asleep, 150 ft away. The good news is the Piet looks untouched, as
do my hand tools, and my jungster project in the shop. Into each life a
little rain must fall.........but I am starting to think I need a boat.
Shad
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! |
Sounds like it needs to be reported to your homeowners insurance agent,
hangar is an extension of your home I would suspect
John
**************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after
instant savings!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: serial numbers |
Yeah,
I used # 737678. My three kids birth years
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: serial numbers
Serial numbers for Pietenpols are arbitrary so I just wrote down the
number that Donald Pietenpol jotted down
on my set of plans. Not sure if other homebuilts (like RV-4's, etc)
have realistic suggestions or serial numbers but
others on the list could chime in I'm sure.
Regarding naming your model when you apply to the FAA you could call
it anything you want. A Whoopdie Doo Special,
or something really stupid like Butterfly Wings or whatever you're
heart desires-we don't have to call our planes
Pietenpol Air Campers or GN-1 Grega Aircampers at all. (but it helps
when you want to prove that the design is at
least 30 years old so it grants you the legal right to do away with
the big billboard EXPERIMENTAL bumper sticker
ala Oscar Z.'s nice article in the BPAN paper newsletter.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Malley" <jgmalley(at)comcast.net> |
The Fiesta is a 1600 cc engine rated at about 60 hp, but I think it put out
more noise than power. It does have a belt drive, about 2 and a half to one.
The conversion design was done by Ed Lubitz of Ontario. He had another
design for the Escort which is 1900 cc and rated at over 90 hp.
The Fiesta weighs about the same as a Ford A and I built the fuselage with
that in mind moving rear seat back 2 inches for leg room. The balance came
out on the mark, with the cabane struts vertical, but the weight, at 815
empty is on the plump side. Then again, with all the little goodies, I could
fly down the Hudson River at night with a 200 pound passenger. And at under
3 gallons of autogas per hour, it was never a strain.
Grace and I made the trip to Brodhead/Oshkosh twice - 20 hours out, 18 back.
Had it up to 6100 feet once (felt like it was going to tip over) and though
the wing could continue to climb, the engine belched black smoke, reduced
power and overheated with every attempt to nose it upward.
I had just under 700 hours on the plane and engine over a period of 12 years
when I ran it into a 3 foot ditch. Most of the repairs have been made but I
doubt making the 80th this year.
Jim Malley
----- Original Message -----
From: "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fiesta
>
> Jim Malley is from NJ like me.
> Seeing his Piet on the cover of a builder's mag. (can't remember which
> one) Is what made me fall in love with the Pietenpols, and order the
> plans.
> He used to monitor this site, hopefully he'll see this thread.
> I still have the mag around here somewhere.
> If I can find it and scan it, I will.
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Owen Davies" <owen5819(at)comcast.net>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fiesta
>
>
>>
>> Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
>>> There is a gent in my video by the name of Jim Malley who I show taking
>>> off at Brodhead with a Pietenpol that is Fiesta powered. As I recall
>>> it had the gold/turned
>>> cowling burnishing that you're talking about Owen.
>>>
>> That was the name! Can't recall where I saw him. Somewhere in New Jersey,
>> I think. Never saw it fly.
>>
>>> Still I have to say I LOVE
>>> hearing the Model A powered Piets flying overhead at Brodhead--there is
>>> something about that.
>> You and me both! I don't plan to use one, and that decision pains me
>> every time I think of the sound.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | thank you Jim Malley ! |
Great post Jim and GREAT that you're on the list and we got the info straight from
you on your
engine, performance, and flights. I'm glad to hear that you still have your airplane
and that you'll
have it flying again sometime, even if not in Wisconsin this summer--just glad
to hear you're out there,
you're listening, and you'll be flying again someday !
Mike C. in Ohio
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Jim,
So good to hear from you! Your Pietenpol was my inspiration to get started
building, what a beautiful aircraft! Hope your repairs and flights go well.
Thank you so much Jim!
Jack
www.textors.com
Checked by AVG.
5:53 PM
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| From: | Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com> |
Well, well. Jim Malley is still with us. That's great!!
-
As with others, your cover shot on Kitplanes was what finally launched me i
nto building my Piet. I had built an R/C model in 1976 and always had the d
esign tucked away in the back of my mind but when I saw that cover and read
the story I was convinced that I could do it, too.
-
A couple of letters to you and my first trip to Brodhead really lit the fir
e and a bag-o-spruce & T-88 from A.S.&S. got me going. I believe that was a
lmost 15 yrs. ago.
-
So, thanks, Jim. You probably won't ever know how many others your picture
inspired. Just wanted to let you know.......
-
Larry Williams xcg, xcmr, epp=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Jim Malley's Piet |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Could someone please post the pic of Jim's airplane here? I don't recall ever seeing
it. Thanks.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | Re: plywood seats and John Recine |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
Cool. Where do you get the "air camper" hat?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=244132#244132
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: plywood seats and John Recine |
Pietenpolers Mecca, Brodhead naturally! I am working on a collection I buy
at lease one per year depending on the design.
"I get to pick the clothes"
John
**************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy
Steps!
Excfooter51509NO62)
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Malley's Piet |
| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> |
Dan
Here is the Kitplanes article. I too have the original in my files at home.
here http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=44
--------
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=244141#244141
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| From: | "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com> |
Since the references to The Great Waldo Pepper are starting to pop up in
the List messages with increasing frequency, we must be getting closer
to our favorite weekend of the whole year (the Brodhead Pietenpol
Gathering). In fact, it's only ten weeks away.
Even closer on the calendar (only five weeks away) is "Brodhead of the
North" - the Pietenpol Picnic in Brussels, Ontario (Canada). I found the
following posting on the web, so it should be okay to share with the
rest of the world. This year is the 20th annual Piet picnic, and when I
spoke with the host Jim Armstrong last year, he indicated that this
would likely be the last one to be held at their rural airstrip. There's
a LOT of work to prepare for an event like this, so after 20 consecutive
years, it would be hard to argue that they don't deserve a break.
Hopefully an alternate venue will be found to continue the tradition.
The Brussels gathering is a relaxed, friendly old-time fly-in - sure to
please. No better way to spend the Saturday before Father's Day.
Brussels is about a two and a half hour drive from Toronto, or about
three and a half hours from Detroit or Buffalo.
June 20th, Brussels, ON: The 20th annual Pietenpol Picnic. The last one
at this idyllic setting. For lovers of Pietenpols, antique, classic and
homebuilt aircraft. Located on the airstrip of Jim Armstrong on the
north-east corner of Brussels. 10.00 a.m. to dusk. There will be a
Fireman's Breakfast on Sunday morning. For more information please
contact Brian Kenney at 905-336-5190 or Jim Armstrong at 519 887-6753.
Rain date June 21st.
Here's the link to the page the message came from:
http://www.copa45.com/events.htm
Bill C.
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Speaking of flying without clothes on=2C I challenge anybody=2C no matter h
ow inclined or motivated they might be=2C to attempt to join the Mile High
Club in an Air Camper. Or an Aircamper. Or a Perezenpol. Just think of t
he logistics... although those who live at the higher elevations may have a
n easier job of positioning the aircraft for success.
And to those who are unfamiliar with the rules of the club=2C to become a m
ember one must frolic with a member of the opposite sex=2C in an airplane t
hat is flying at least 5=2C280' MSL. The frolicking must be intentional an
d successful... although I don't care to know how such success is to be jud
ged=2C or by whom.
I am not a member of this club nor am I willing to invite my wife to help m
e qualify for membership. I also fly fully clothed=2C as the climate dicta
tes.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mile High Club |
The only way I can possibly do this in my cockpit is if I was a midget and
so was my partner at which point neither of us could reach the rudder peddl
es so it's a moot point.=0APlease see attachment for what I look like in th
e cockpit of my GN-1 aircraft.There is hardley enough room for me!!!=0A=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotm
ail.com>=0ATo: Pietenpol List =0ASent: Friday
, May 15, 2009 12:21:48 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Mile High Club=0A=0AS
peaking of flying without clothes on, I challenge anybody, no matter how in
clined or motivated they might be, to attempt to join the Mile High Club in
an Air Camper.- Or an Aircamper.- Or a Perezenpol.- Just think of th
e logistics... although those who live at the higher elevations may have an
easier job of positioning the aircraft for success.=0A-=0AAnd to those w
ho are unfamiliar with the rules of the club, to become a member one must f
rolic with a member of the opposite sex, in an airplane that is flying at l
east 5,280' MSL.- The frolicking must be intentional and successful... al
though I don't care to know how such success is to be judged, or by whom.
=0A-=0AI am not a member of this club nor am I willing to invite my wife
to help me qualify for membership.- I also fly fully clothed, as the clim
ate dictates.=0A=0AOscar Zuniga=0AAir Camper NX41CC=0ASan Antonio, TX=0Amai
lto: taildrags@hotmail.com=0Awebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Mile High Club |
I suppose its possible, solo, but then the point becomes moot and rather
anti climactic as it were
**************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy
Steps!
Excfooter51509NO62)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Strut Rod End Bearing |
Jack P,
I have searched the archives and cannot find the info about the rod end
bearing that you used on your strut ends. I thought you had the part number
or the specs posted at one time, but cannot find the thread.
McM C has a lot of options to chose from and would like to hit it right the
first time. Thanks for your help,
Barry Davis
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Harvey- tailwheel |
Harvey=3B
Nice airplane in the "mile high" picture you posted. I notice that there d
oesn't appear to be anything connected to the horns of the tailwheel. Do y
ou let it caster freely and just steer with rudder and brakes?
I also don't think I've ever seen that way of attaching the lower ends of t
he cabane outside X-bracing using flat plates turned diamond-wise. Clever.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Harvey- tailwheel |
The rear wheel casters freely but I am thinking of connecting cables up to
the rudder peddles for more posotive control.I do use rudder and brakes rig
ht now and it does work.The-attachment of the lower end of the cabines ou
tside-the- X bracing using flat plates turned diamond wise was not my i
dea.That was the original builder who was George Uranick of Perth Ontario a
n OPP officer who started this aircraft in 1977.He has since past away and
the aircraft was sold to Bob Grayham of Manotick who took the plane to almo
st it's full completion before selling it to me in 2005.She was-completed
- in 2006 after installing engine-brows and plates,step,seat belts,star
ter motor reinstalled,wing support cables,brakes,new altimeter,flop door wi
th latches,CHT gauge and oil temp gauge.As well as stater button and master
switch.Those mens names are-Tom Bennet and Bob Moorhead who helped me do
the work.-The men who did the work before me and helped me finish are
experts in every way.I thank the good Lord that I was along for the ride.I
t's been a wonderful one.These guys are brilliant.I'm just a flyboy enjoyin
g their workmanship.=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Os
car Zuniga =0ATo: Pietenpol List =0ASent: Friday, May 15, 2009 3:01:07 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-Li
st: Harvey- tailwheel=0A=0A=0AHarvey;=0A-=0ANice airplane in the "mile hi
gh"-picture you posted.- I notice that there doesn't appear to be anyth
ing connected to the horns of the tailwheel.- Do you let it caster freely
and just steer with rudder and brakes?=0A-=0AI also don't think I've eve
r seen that way of attaching the lower ends of the cabane outside X-bracing
using flat plates turned diamond-wise.- Clever.=0A=0AOscar Zuniga=0AAir
Camper NX41CC=0ASan Antonio, TX=0Amailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com=0Awebsite a
=======
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| From: | CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Mile High Club |
One day I was driving chase truck for a friend who took his wife flying in
their old somewhat porous balloon. It was one of those perfect days with
zero wind when you wanted to go for altitude. I noticed every time I looked
up they were at a different altitude give or take a thousand feet.
Later at breakfast he pronounced that attaining Mile High Club status in a
balloon was not possible; he could only keep one thing up at a time =)
..Chrissi
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
www.CozyGirrrl.com
Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo
Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details
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In a message dated 5/15/2009 11:23:03 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes:
Speaking of flying without clothes on, I challenge anybody, no matter how
inclined or motivated they might be, to attempt to join the Mile High Club
in an Air Camper. Or an Aircamper. Or a Perezenpol. Just think of the
logistics... although those who live at the higher elevations may have an
easier job of positioning the aircraft for success.
And to those who are unfamiliar with the rules of the club, to become a
member one must frolic with a member of the opposite sex, in an airplane that
is flying at least 5,280' MSL. The frolicking must be intentional and
successful... although I don't care to know how such success is to be judged,
or by whom.
I am not a member of this club nor am I willing to invite my wife to help
me qualify for membership. I also fly fully clothed, as the climate
dictates.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: _taildrags(at)hotmail.com_ (mailto:taildrags(at)hotmail.com)
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve Eldredge <steve(at)byu.edu> |
| Subject: | thank you Jim Malley ! |
I gotta second what Mike Cuy said. Jim, yours was the subject article that convinced
me that the Piet was for me. I still have the worn out Kitplanes in my
builders log. I'll build another sometime, hopefully soon. A trip down memory
lane!
Steve E.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: thank you Jim Malley !
Great post Jim and GREAT that you're on the list and we got the info straight from
you on your
engine, performance, and flights. I'm glad to hear that you still have your airplane
and that you'll
have it flying again sometime, even if not in Wisconsin this summer--just glad
to hear you're out there,
you're listening, and you'll be flying again someday !
Mike C. in Ohio
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Ranger Airfield F23 Flyin/Airshow May 23rd, 2009 |
| From: | "Will42" <will(at)cctc.net> |
Saturday May 23, 2009
Ranger Airport Est. 1928 (F23)
Ranger, Texas
Annual Memorial Day Weekend Air Show & BBQ Fly-In
Lat/Long: 32-27-09.4690N / 098-40-58.2110W
Elevation: 1470
CTAF: 122.9
Rwy: 01/19 3300 ft x 80 ft Turf - Good Condition
Texas Antique Airplane Association Meeting at 11:00 A.M.
BBQ brisket lunch served at 11:30 A.M. to pilots and passengers
Airport closes at 1:00 P.M. for aerobatic demonstrations including
Pitts S1T - Mike "Spanky" Gallaway
1936 Bucker Jungmeister - David Martin
Texas Twisters - 4 Ship T-34 Mentor Team
Breitling CAP 232 - David Martin
- Others will likely be added to the list
Airport will reopen immediately following last performance
ALL aircraft welcome. Great grass strip. Celebrate Memorial Day, enjoy airplanes,
aerobatics and food, and show your support for the volunteer-operated field
by bringing your aircraft and spreading the word
Contact
Jared Calvert
254 433 1267
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=244224#244224
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| Subject: | Strut Rod End Bearing |
| From: | "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com> |
Barry,
This might be the posting you were looking for:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=50044&start=0
Bill C.
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| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
| Subject: | Gary Boothe T-craft |
Gary,
I accidentally deleted your email so this is going to the whole group. I
looked up your old Taylorcraft N95239 and found out it is on my field
here in Sonoma, disassembled and in a guy's hangar. I think you could
probably get this one back if you wanted to. We're having the
Taylorcraft fly-in here this weekend, so I'll be at the field. I've got
half interest in a flying BC-12D here.
Small world, isn't it.
Darrel
PS. I didn't hear anything back about having a West coast Pietenpol
gathering here, but the offer's still good. Clubhouse, bathrooms and
showers and a kitchen, plus a big screen TV.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Strut Rod End Bearing |
Thanks Bill
This is exactly what I was looking for!. Quess I was not searching
correctly.
Barry
NX973BP
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 8:07 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Strut Rod End Bearing
Barry,
This might be the posting you were looking for:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=50044
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=50044&start=0> &start=0
Bill C.
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| From: | Jim <jimboyer(at)hughes.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Gary Boothe T-craft |
JHi Darrel,
Did you get your crank back from Ashland? Would like to come over and see your
Pfiefer/Piet but not sure if I can make it this weekend when the Taylorcrafts
are there.
Cheers,
Jim
On May 15, 2009, wd6bor(at)vom.com wrote:
Gary,
I accidentally deleted your email so this is going to the whole group. I
looked up your old Taylorcraft N95239 and found out it is on my field
here in Sonoma, disassembled and in a guy's hangar. I think you could
probably get this one back if you wanted to. We're having the
Taylorcraft fly-in here this weekend, so I'll be at the field. I've got
half interest in a flying BC-12D here.
Small world, isn't it.
Darrel
PS. I didn't hear anything back about having a West coast Pietenpol
gathering here, but the offer's still good. Clubhouse, bathrooms and
showers and a kitchen, plus a big screen TV.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Brussel's fly-in |
Would one of you that are going to the Brussels fly-in please contact me of
f-list. I have a request for photos and info from a friend of mine whose Pi
et is now in the hands of one of your pilots. It's Capt. Buck Naked's old a
irplane.
-
Thanks-
-
Larry Williams xcg, xcmr, epp=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Strut Rod End Bearing |
Barry
I don't think the loads are quite as high as indicated in the posting. A while
back I did an analysis in the loads on a Piet wing and put them out on the following
page:
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/wing_loads.html
I think the struts would have closer to a 2000 lb tensile load at 5 Gs.
Malcolm Morrison
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 8:27:07 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Strut Rod End Bearing
Thanks Bill
This is exactly what I was looking for!. Quess I was not searching
correctly.
Barry
NX973BP
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 8:07 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Strut Rod End Bearing
Barry,
This might be the posting you were looking for:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=50044
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=50044&start=0> &start=0
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I agree with John on the homeowners insurance... most have an "other structures"
line item for detached structures, and the contents should indeed be covered
under "personal property." Worth a look.
The FAA approach sounds interesting as well. I'm almost certain that rule applies
to government operated installations... not sure about private fields. Would
be interesting to know.
--------
Mark
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=244286#244286
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| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! |
Private fields are deffinately included.
Only thing is that the plane has to be registered to be in the system.
If it's registered, it's a Fedreal airplane.
If it's being built, it's a hobby.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My hanger got robbed the other night!
>
> I agree with John on the homeowners insurance... most have an "other
> structures" line item for detached structures, and the contents should
> indeed be covered under "personal property." Worth a look.
>
> The FAA approach sounds interesting as well. I'm almost certain that rule
> applies to government operated installations... not sure about private
> fields. Would be interesting to know.
>
> --------
> Mark
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=244286#244286
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Buckeye Piets and Pietple |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
For the Ohio Piets and the Ohio Pietple, Barber Airport is having their annual
Auto Engine Conversion Fly-in on June 5,6,and7. I talked to Forrest Barber and
he said he is also listing it as including Pietenpols. There are two Piets
hangared there and will be there for the fly-in. They are Frank Pavliga's Sky
Gypsy and Allen Rudolph's 1934-ish Piet that Frank just acquired. Both of these
are a real treat to see. I'm planning to fly mine over. Mike, Skip, Shad,
and any others, it sure would be cool to have a nice Pietenpol turn out. Any
of you guys up for a little gathering?
For those of you that know some of the familiar faces that have attended Brodhead
over the years, I heard some sad news yesterday. Will Graff, from Wadsworth,
Ohio passed away a couple of weeks ago. I, like many others, enjoyed many
Brodhead afternoons sitting on the grass in the shade talking with him and enjoying
his Piet. He'll be missed.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au> |
Hi all
Has anyone made the cabanes longer?
Or would it cause any problems other than weight?
Thanks
Carson
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| Subject: | Re: cabane length |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Carson,
I made mine 1" longer. You will get many opinions on this. Makng them extra long
will surely make it easier to get in to, but being a close-to-purist I don't
like the way it looks- too much different from the way BHP did it.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove IL
P.S. I just looked again at the lost BHP papers in my possession.....1" longer
is OK, but no more.
-----Original Message-----
From: carson <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 2:12 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane length
Hi all
Has anyone made the cabanes longer?
Or would it cause any problems other than weight?
Thanks
Carson
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=244336#244336
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| From: | "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: cabane length |
Carson,
The cabanes on NX18235 are two inches longer than plans. The change in
appearance isn't significant and it is relatively easy to get in and out.
See attached.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane length
>
> Hi all
> Has anyone made the cabanes longer?
> Or would it cause any problems other than weight?
> Thanks
> Carson
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=244336#244336
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: cabane length |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Dan,
I think you may have to issue a posthumous violation to Bernard Pietenpol,
and retroactively rescind his right to call at least two of his aircraft
"Pietenpol Air Campers". If memory serves me correctly, the cabanes on both
N7533U and N899H are at least two inches longer than plans; N7533U might
have even been 4" at one point. If this is the case, he clearly violated his
own standards..... ;)
Ryan
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 5:36 AM, wrote:
> Carson,
>
> I made mine 1" longer. You will get many opinions on this. Makng them extra
> long will surely make it easier to get in to, but being a close-to-purist I
> don't like the way it looks- too much different from the way BHP did it.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove IL
>
> P.S. I just looked again at the lost BHP papers in my possession.....1"
> longer is OK, but no more.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: carson <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 2:12 am
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane length
>
>
> Hi all
> Has anyone made the cabanes longer?
> Or would it cause any problems other than weight?
> Thanks
> Carson
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: cabane length |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <rhano(at)att.net> |
I am sure D.J. told me he made the ones on mine longer.but then it is the dreaded
GN-1 so who knows what I'll end up with.it has a stretched and widened fuselage
as well so us bigger guys can fit but may not fly real well. but I'm sure
anxious to try.I have the fuselage painted and on the gear now and moving forward
with installing the tail group,front door etc.hoping to get a shot of it
within a month or so with the center section up on the cabanes.then comes hanging
the engine and test running it! I am getting anxious but work and life does
slow me down.Raymond
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Buckeye Piets and Pietple |
-Don,- I don't think I can make the auto conversion fly in this year, b
ecause I have to work.- I told Dad and he said he might fly up if we get
the annual done.- I lost a lot of time last week due to the break in and
roberry of my hanger, so the piet got put on hold for a week or so.- I ho
pe you all have a good turn out and the weather holds out for a good fly in
.-
-
Happy skies, and safe landings,
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Dan,
I am wondering if the Lost BHP Papers have any allowance for running the
cables under the stabilizer. Clearly it has been done; and I may regret
asking for permission, rather than for forgiveness. The last thing I would
want would be to be forced to park with the GN-1's someday when I make it to
B-head (not that there's anything wrong with GN-1's).
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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Carson,
I made mine 1" longer. You will get many opinions on this. Makng them extra
long will surely make it easier to get in to, but being a close-to-purist I
don't like the way it looks- too much different from the way BHP did it.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove IL
P.S. I just looked again at the lost BHP papers in my possession.....1"
longer is OK, but no more.
-----Original Message-----
From: carson <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 2:12 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane length
Hi all
Has anyone made the cabanes longer?
Or would it cause any problems other than weight?
Thanks
Carson
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| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
Several Piets have longer cabanes for ease of entry. Most exceptions seem to be
in the 1-2-3 inch range of extension. In 2006 I measured many and found almost
all an inch or more taller. However, Lowell Frank showed me one Piet in a
hangar at Brodhead last year that had the longest cabanes I have seen. I doubt
any are longer. I forget, but I measured the forward cabane at either 30 or
32 inches. As is the norm, the front cabane was 1 inch taller than the rear.
They were absolutely vertical. They looked extraordinarily long, that is to
say strangely so, in part because they were made of thin (fore-to-aft) steel
streamline tubing. This is normal enough in itself, of course, but exaggerates
the height in the same way that a tall skinny guy looks taller.
Despite its appearance, Lowell told me the plane flies very well indeed.
I did not like the looks of cabanes that long, but I am making mine longer than
plans as well. I neither fold nor bend well. I hope to fool the eye into thinking
they conform more nearly to plans by using thicker aluminum streamline
tubing. I also intend to pitch mine rearwards 4 to 5 inches for CG reasons.
I know that others have done 4 inches rear pitch with shorter cabanes and without
ill effect, so I think with the greater length my angle is no greater than
others, so that I am not a "test pilot" in this case.
BTW there was one Piet at Brodhead in either 2006 or 2008 that had SHORTER cabanes,
and no flop or cutout. The pilot was no kid but still nimble, and sort of
slid into the cockpit with a slight duck and twist. He may have been humming
a "limbo" number at the time.
Tim in central TX
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Fiesta-powered Piet |
I really enjoyed the Kitplanes article on Jim Malley's Piet. It's a beauty
. Really interesting story about starting the build of it in a tiny apartm
ent=2C too.
I'm a technical nit-picker so bear with me on this one. The caption on the
first page of the story=2C the picture of the engine=2C says it's a 98-hp
Ford Fiesta engine. This is incorrect and what the author meant was what h
e says two pages later when he calls it a 98-cubic-inch engine. This resul
ts in the nominal 1600cc displacement of the Fiesta engine.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Gary Boothe T-craft |
Jim wrote:
>
>
> JHi Darrel,
> Did you get your crank back from Ashland? Would like to come over and see your
Pfiefer/Piet but not sure if I can make it this weekend when the Taylorcrafts
are there.
> Cheers,
> Jim
>
>
Jim,
Not yet, but Mike said he would bring them up some weekend soon. I need
to give him another call and see when.
The Pfeifer's hanging from the rafters in the hangar right now. I need
to get the Stinson annualled and a truck project out of the way. I
probably won't bring it down until I have the engine reassembled. You're
welcome to drop by anytime. We have hamburgers and hot dogs every
Saturday at noon.
Darrel
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| Subject: | Re: rudder cables |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Gary
Sorry, but I can find no reference for an=C2-allowance for this. Try it
at your own peril.............. Does the cable=C2-interfere with the "d
own" elevator at all?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Groe, IL
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 10:18 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rudder cables
Dan,
=C2-
I am wondering if the Lost BHP Papers have any allowance for running the
cables under the stabilizer. Clearly it has been done; and I may regret
asking for permission, rather than for forgiveness. The last thing I woul
d want would be to be forced to park with the GN-1=99s someday when
I make it to B-head (not that there=99s anything wrong with GN-1
=99s).
=C2-
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done,=C2-Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down)
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=C2-
Carson,
=C2-
I made mine 1" longer. You will get many opinions on this. Makng them extr
a long will surely make it easier to get in to, but being a close-to-puris
t I don't like the way it looks- too much different from the way BHP did
it.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove IL
P.S. I just looked again at the lost BHP papers in my possession.....1" lo
nger is OK, but no
more.
-----Original Message-----
From: carson <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 2:12 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane length
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Or would it cause any problems other than weight?
Thanks
Carson
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| Subject: | Fiesta-powered Piet |
| From: | "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com> |
Oscar,
Did you not notice the other technical errors in the write-up?
Namely, the references to using 42-foot bungee cords for the landing
gear, the ribs being made from 4x2-inch spruce, and the turtledeck being
constructed from seven strips of 4x1-inch spruce. That would be one
heavy Pietenpol! The article also says that the plans call for a
fuselage tank, and that Malley added an additional tank in the wing -
but we all know the opposite is true.
Despite these technical errors (probably mostly just typos) I really
like this article. Reading about others that manage to overcome greater
obstacles than most of us face is inspiring. Thanks go out to Jim Markle
for scanning and posting the article.
Bill C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: cabane length |
| From: | "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au> |
Thanks for all the replies I think I will go a couple of inches longer.
Carson
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Dan,
I'm not to that point yet, although I just got my fuse mounted on its gear
this weekend. Fitting and rigging the tail will be next. I can only assume
that, like most Piets, mine will rub when at rest.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rudder cables
Gary
Sorry, but I can find no reference for an allowance for this. Try it at your
own peril.............. Does the cable interfere with the "down" elevator at
all?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Groe, IL
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 10:18 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rudder cables
Dan,
I am wondering if the Lost BHP Papers have any allowance for running the
cables under the stabilizer. Clearly it has been done; and I may regret
asking for permission, rather than for forgiveness. The last thing I would
want would be to be forced to park with the GN-1's someday when I make it to
B-head (not that there's anything wrong with GN-1's).
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cabane length
Carson,
I made mine 1" longer. You will get many opinions on this. Makng them extra
long will surely make it easier to get in to, but being a close-to-purist I
don't like the way it looks- too much different from the way BHP did it.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove IL
P.S. I just looked again at the lost BHP papers in my possession.....1"
longer is OK, but no more.
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Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 2:12 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane length
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Hi all
Has anyone made the cabanes longer?
Or would it cause any problems other than weight?
Thanks
Carson
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| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fiesta-powered Piet |
Bill,
It's amazing how the press works.
I, at one time had a writer from a local newspaper ask to do a story on me
and my homebuilt airplane.
She talked to me directly, with no middle person.
When the article came out, she had made these amazing statements about me
being an instructor for 30+ years, and other bizzare things.
No, I've never had my instructors rating. Don't know where that came from.
It's kind of disturbing when you read the morning newspaper for the truth.
Go figure.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 3:30 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fiesta-powered Piet
Oscar,
Did you not notice the other technical errors in the write-up?
Namely, the references to using 42-foot bungee cords for the landing gear,
the ribs being made from 4x2-inch spruce, and the turtledeck being
constructed from seven strips of 4x1-inch spruce. That would be one heavy
Pietenpol! The article also says that the plans call for a fuselage tank,
and that Malley added an additional tank in the wing - but we all know the
opposite is true.
Despite these technical errors (probably mostly just typos) I really like
this article. Reading about others that manage to overcome greater obstacles
than most of us face is inspiring. Thanks go out to Jim Markle for scanning
and posting the article.
Bill C.
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: rudder cables it's done |
For running rudder cables under the stab, that's what we did.- Works fine
, and looks better in my opinion.- It also makes running seperate tailwhe
el cables easier.- The only bennifit to runing them to the middle (origin
al design) is equal load on the hinges (in therory), at least as far as I c
an tell.- If you want them under the stab go for it, it won't hurt anythi
ng.- Look at any other homebuilt design and 99% have the rudder horn unde
r the horiz stab.- I remember talking Dad into running the cables "down l
ow" (at a young age of 21)-to make the airplane look more streamlined.-
Do what you want, use your own God given common sense, and some "Tribal Kn
owlage", and you will be just fine with this little, simple, forgiving airp
lane design.- My only advise for building this airplane, and getting it d
one is; Don't over analize this design, just look at what it is and build i
t to suite yourself.- It is NOT the space shuttle, or SR-71.- Cable pul
ls
left or right, up or down, does not bind works good so it is good.- If t
he original design works than don't fix it.-Use good practices and techni
ques, but don't over design the simplicty.- Yes, if your not sure ask, bu
t the plans, or design is NOT perfect, if you see room for improvement, imp
rove it if you have the knowlage or ability.- A pietenpol is not a compli
cated machine, about as complicated as a barn door.
-
Shad
-
P.S. of course everything is much harder with out tools, mine are all gone,
but I did buy a new pistol, and got a few bullets with some poor S.O.B.'s
name on them, and if the thief reads this, I dare you to come'on back!=0A
=0A=0A
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: rudder cables it's done |
I agree Shad.
For running rudder cables under the stab, that's what we did.- Works fine
, and looks better in my opinion.- It also makes running seperate tailwhe
el cables easier.- The only bennifit to runing them to the middle (origin
al design) is equal load on the hinges (in therory), at least as far as I c
an tell.- If you want them under the stab go for it, it won't hurt anythi
ng.- Look at any other homebuilt design and 99% have the rudder horn unde
r the horiz stab.- I remember talking Dad into running the cables "down l
ow" (at a young age of 21)-to make the airplane look more streamlined.-
Do what you want, use your own God given common sense, and some "Tribal Kn
owlage", and you will be just fine with this little, simple, forgiving airp
lane design.- My only advise for building this airplane, and getting it d
one is; Don't over analize this design, just look at what it is and build i
t to suite yourself.- It is NOT the space shuttle, or SR-71.- Cable pul
ls
left or right, up or down, does not bind works good so it is good.- If t
he original design works than don't fix it.-Use good practices and techni
ques, but don't over design the simplicty.- Yes, if your not sure ask, bu
t the plans, or design is NOT perfect, if you see room for improvement, imp
rove it if you have the knowlage or ability.- A pietenpol is not a compli
cated machine, about as complicated as a barn door.
-
Shad
-
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | EAA Sport Aviation Magazine article on six builders from |
GA
Please ignore if already posted, otherwise enjoy the various uses of Bernar
d, Bernie, Piet and Pietenpol !
Mike C.
Big Piet Builders
Six build Bernie's Pietenpol
All of us bifocal wearers have difficulty reading the
instruments, so we tilted the seat back 4 inches at the top.
Along with adjustable rudder pedals, we fit down inside
the cockpit with all the comfort of your favorite recliner.
We were not worried about these changes, because Bernie
was always changing the Pietenpol as new ideas came out.
In conversation with Don Pietenpol, Bernie's son, he said
his dad never built any two exactly alike.
http://www.sportaviationonline.org/sportaviation/200905/?pm=2&z=fw&pvie
ww=992&zin=175&u1=texterity&pg=67&fm=1
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Sport Aviation Magazine article on six builders |
from GA
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Great article.
I've been wondering about something for several weeks since I first read this article,
perhaps you guys can provide an answer. When I look at the photo of the
wing rib on page 66 (lower left), I see that the leading edge is done a bit
differently than mine. I am using the original Bernie plans, which call for
a 1/2" x 1/2" block reinforced with a small gusset. These guys have a notched
leading edge with a fully sheeted area in front of the spar. Is this just a
different technique or different plans? I like the way theirs look... just wondering
if I should have done that too?
It also looks like the spacing for their spar is likely 1". I built my wing ribs
to accept a 3/4" spar as I have read that the 3/4" is sufficient. This is
correct, right?
I guess I'm just second guessing my techniques since their build looks a little
different than mine.
--------
Mark
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| From: | "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Sport Aviation Magazine article on six builders |
from GA
3/4 inch spar will work just fine.
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 12:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: EAA Sport Aviation Magazine article on six
builders from GA
>
> Great article.
>
> I've been wondering about something for several weeks since I first read
> this article, perhaps you guys can provide an answer. When I look at the
> photo of the wing rib on page 66 (lower left), I see that the leading edge
> is done a bit differently than mine. I am using the original Bernie
> plans, which call for a 1/2" x 1/2" block reinforced with a small gusset.
> These guys have a notched leading edge with a fully sheeted area in front
> of the spar. Is this just a different technique or different plans? I
> like the way theirs look... just wondering if I should have done that too?
>
> It also looks like the spacing for their spar is likely 1". I built my
> wing ribs to accept a 3/4" spar as I have read that the 3/4" is
> sufficient. This is correct, right?
>
> I guess I'm just second guessing my techniques since their build looks a
> little different than mine.
>
> --------
> Mark
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Sport Aviation Magazine article on six builders |
from GA
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
Did my second rib today. I tailored mine for the 3/4" spar as well. Looks like
I put my brass nails in same spot as you also (heh heh). As they say, Great minds
think alike..
Lar
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| Subject: | Carburator question |
| From: | "rameses32" <rameses32(at)yahoo.com> |
Ok, This may seem like a silly question, but it would be even sillier not to ask
it. Is the reason that all the carbys used on the model A engines are updrafts
is to keep the Carb out of the prop blast and to help keep it from Icing up?
The reason I ask this is I am still playing with the Holden inline six engine,
actually picking one up tomorrow if it is raining. I'm tryin to design intake
and exhaust manifolds and am trying to figure out what carburator to use. I
mean I could go with an SU but I think that the oil filled slide would be a huge
icing problem.
CHarley
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Barber Field, Alliance, OH Auto Engine Conversion |
Fly-In
Mikee,
>
>Sure, we love to have the unenlightened join us. ;).
>
>Kip Gardner
Thank you for the kind invitation Kip but I'd rather remain ignorant:)
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| Subject: | Re: Carburator question |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi Mr CHarlel
My experience with various carbs will give you an idea of what can be used and
what not to use.
I tried an SU, Type HD, HS, HIF with 1-1/2" in side with 1-3/8 out, If you want
the exact No. I can get them , but the Ford ran perfect at all speeds sitting
on the ground, but as I rotated off the runway the engine lost power. I have
a shoe-box full of many fuel control / flow inserts. I tried all of them, to no
avail, so I axed the SU.
Since you have a fuel pump, as I have the Best carb I ended up with was a Weber
Model 30 DIC progressive two barrel,down draft,Mounted over the manifold, this
produced 65 HP in my Ford, and ran it a number of years.
The Funk engine 63 HP with Ford B block uses a Zenith down draft and smooth curved
ducts,mounted under the manifold, this is still being used on a Piet I built
in the late 80s.This is a very good combination.
The Globe engine uses the Ford carb mounted backwards.
Any up-draft used on lift-trucks ,also will work well.
The Posa can be trouble if a shut-off is not used, started a fire with that one.
I now use fuel injection with great performance 85 HP from a Ford.
I have tried Turbo, very scary, I don't think the Ford will hold-up long with that
combination.
When one uses a fuel mixing device that restricts air, you will lose a lot of power
when you need it.
If you still require A SU I will make you a good deal on my unwanted carb with
many extras plus a manual.
Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: How does a six-footer get into a Pietenpol? |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I am 6'5" tall... so I too am awaiting responses to you questions. I've already
started my build as I have been told that it can be custom fit to suit my stature.
I hope that is the case. I'll be going to Brodhead in search of ideas,
answers, suggestions.
This stuff is such a challenge, but so far a lot of fun.
--------
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: How does a six-footer get into a Pietenpol? |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Mr. Emu,Rudder peddles can be mounted as far forward as you would like. remove
the rudder bar,
Jigsaw the top of the bulkhead slots to allow much room for your shins to clear,
pad if required.
A cut-out on the aft center section will allow head room and will not change the
flying performance one bit.
With long legs a side door isn't required.
Vi Kaplar, Bernie's close friend, is 6' 3" and has been flying Piets for more years
than most have lived.
You may need a higher wind screen, or no hair.
Pieti Lowell
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Carburator question |
Lowell,
Do you plan to fly the fuel injected Piet to Brodhead this year?
Thanks,
Jeff
>...
>I now use fuel injection with great performance 85 HP from a Ford...
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| Subject: | Okoume Plywood Gussets? |
| From: | "JohnC" <jcalvert(at)trinityvideo.net> |
I am looking for some advise.
I have spent the last year preparing for my Pietenpol building project. I have
acquired many tools, some spruce and plywood. I have completed my construction
table along with a rib jig. I purchased some 1/16th Okoume plywood with a BS6566
rating from Boulters. I also have some Wicks aircraft plywood I got from a
failed builder in Ohio. The Okoume is alot more flexible and looks like it would
be perfect for the leading edge and the Wicks plywood seems better for the
wing rib gussets. Would this be acceptable, or should I be doing some type of
strength testing. I am excited about mixing up that first batch of T88, but I
would hate to start this off with a screw up. Any advice or suggestions will
be greatly appreciated.
John C. in Kentucky
--------
I just hope when it's my turn to reach up and touch the face of God, I don't poke
him in the eye on accident.
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| Subject: | Okoume Plywood Gussets? |
| From: | "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com> |
John,
Stop preparing and start building.
Your proposed uses for your plywood sound well thought out.
Aircraft ply for the gussets is perfect, and Okoume for the leading edge
wrap should be fine (that's what I'm doing).
No strength testing required. Just be sure to scuff up the gluing side
of the plywood with some medium (80 grit) sandpaper before gluing - or
more wisely, before cutting into little fiddly gusssets that are a pain
in the butt to sand individually.
Bill C.
Wonder how the guy in Ohio would feel about being referred to as a
"failed builder"?
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| Subject: | WAY off topic... PIC |
Sorry to be so far off topic, but this is perhaps the most diverse group I
belong to, so what better place to ask?
With two qualified pilots on board, one having more hours and more ratings,
endorsements, etc, but the more "junior" pilot has control of the plane, is
seated in the left seat and paid the rental, loses control and bends the
plane, can the senior pilot be held accountable?
Thanks!
Pat
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: WAY off topic... PIC |
It has happened. Check with Yodice at AOPA.
><panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
>
>Sorry to be so far off topic, but this is perhaps the most diverse group I
>belong to, so what better place to ask?
>
>With two qualified pilots on board, one having more hours and more ratings,
>endorsements, etc, but the more "junior" pilot has control of the plane, is
>seated in the left seat and paid the rental, loses control and bends the
>plane, can the senior pilot be held accountable?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Pat
>
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: WAY off topic... PIC |
I recall a recent (NTSB?) ruling where they said yes the senior pilot (Instructor
I think) was responsibile for and accident where the junior pilot was PIC.
They said he had some sort of authority even though he was not instructing and
was not the PIC.
Sounds like BS to me, but there it is.
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Panzera <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:59
Subject: Pietenpol-List: WAY off topic... PIC
>
> Sorry to be so far off topic, but this is perhaps the most diverse group I
> belong to, so what better place to ask?
>
> With two qualified pilots on board, one having more hours and more ratings,
> endorsements, etc, but the more "junior" pilot has control of the plane, is
> seated in the left seat and paid the rental, loses control and bends the
> plane, can the senior pilot be held accountable?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Okoume Plywood Gussets? |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
[quote="eng(at)canadianrogers.com"]Just be sure to scuff up the gluing side of
the plywood with some medium (80 grit) sandpaper before gluing - or more wisely,
before cutting into little fiddly gussets that are a pain in the butt to sand
individually.
> [b]
Oh man... that seems so obvious right about now... 1500 gussets later. LOL!
--------
Mark
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| From: | "Mac Zirges" <macz(at)casco.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Carburator question |
The basic reason for using the updraft carburetor is that the original
Pietenpol used gravity feed to get gas to the carburetor--an updraft
carburetor is lower than a downdraft and provides just that much more "head"
to insure good flow to keep the engine running in all attitudes. If you go
to some other setup you may need a fuel pump.
Mac in Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: "rameses32" <rameses32(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Carburator question
>
> Ok, This may seem like a silly question, but it would be even sillier not
to ask it. Is the reason that all the carbys used on the model A engines are
updrafts is to keep the Carb out of the prop blast and to help keep it from
Icing up? The reason I ask this is I am still playing with the Holden inline
six engine, actually picking one up tomorrow if it is raining. I'm tryin to
design intake and exhaust manifolds and am trying to figure out what
carburator to use. I mean I could go with an SU but I think that the oil
filled slide would be a huge icing problem.
>
> CHarley
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=244599#244599
>
>
> --
12:00 AM
>
>
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| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: How does a six-footer get into a Pietenpol? |
I'm 6' 3" and don't really have trouble fitting, snug but OK The tip below
about the bulkhead slots made higher would be a good sugestion. I'd advise
building it to plans, and when you can get into the fuse on sawhorses, get
in and see how much you have to modify.
Sholdn't take long with a good old fashioned coping saw
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How does a six-footer get into a Pietenpol?
>
>
> Mr. Emu,Rudder peddles can be mounted as far forward as you would like.
> remove the rudder bar,
> Jigsaw the top of the bulkhead slots to allow much room for your shins to
> clear, pad if required.
> A cut-out on the aft center section will allow head room and will not
> change the flying performance one bit.
> With long legs a side door isn't required.
> Vi Kaplar, Bernie's close friend, is 6' 3" and has been flying Piets for
> more years than most have lived.
> You may need a higher wind screen, or no hair.
> Pieti Lowell
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=244634#244634
>
>
>
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| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Okoume Plywood Gussets? |
RE: Pietenpol-List: Okoume Plywood Gussets?Just remember If people are
wetting their leading edge ply,,,and using T-88. T-88 works just as
well on wet wood. So you don't have to "wet and jig till dry"
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:51 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Okoume Plywood Gussets?
John,
Stop preparing and start building.
Your proposed uses for your plywood sound well thought out.
Aircraft ply for the gussets is perfect, and Okoume for the leading
edge wrap should be fine (that's what I'm doing).
No strength testing required. Just be sure to scuff up the gluing side
of the plywood with some medium (80 grit) sandpaper before gluing - or
more wisely, before cutting into little fiddly gusssets that are a pain
in the butt to sand individually.
Bill C.
Wonder how the guy in Ohio would feel about being referred to as a
"failed builder"?
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| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Okoume Plywood Gussets? |
John,
Just remember that Bernard Pietenpol used those round Quaker Oats boxes for
the leading edge of his planes. I guess one box= one rib bay.
And my Mentor tells me that the old Aeronca's (I think) used cardboard
gussets on their ribs. And these were Certified Planes
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "JohnC" <jcalvert(at)trinityvideo.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Okoume Plywood Gussets?
>
> I am looking for some advise.
> I have spent the last year preparing for my Pietenpol building project. I
> have acquired many tools, some spruce and plywood. I have completed my
> construction table along with a rib jig. I purchased some 1/16th Okoume
> plywood with a BS6566 rating from Boulters. I also have some Wicks
> aircraft plywood I got from a failed builder in Ohio. The Okoume is alot
> more flexible and looks like it would be perfect for the leading edge and
> the Wicks plywood seems better for the wing rib gussets. Would this be
> acceptable, or should I be doing some type of strength testing. I am
> excited about mixing up that first batch of T88, but I would hate to start
> this off with a screw up. Any advice or suggestions will be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> John C. in Kentucky
>
> --------
> I just hope when it's my turn to reach up and touch the face of God, I
> don't poke him in the eye on accident.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=244639#244639
>
>
>
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Sport Aviation Magazine article on six builders |
from GA
Thanks for your comment.
We built the nose of the rib like this only for (our) speed of
building. We have built 6 planes in 6 years or 1 per year from plans to
engine break-in. This nose (like another plane one of us had built before)
lets you just slip in a small standard lightweight piece of wood to form the
leading edge and adjust it in or out as necessary. We used an aluminum
leading edge for the profile and the wood leading edge became just a brace
behind it. It's a lot faster (to us) than the handrail forming. We had 4 rib
jigs going at the same time and there was a concern that they might be
slightly different. As it turned out, all the ribs came out identical and
are exactly to plans in profile.
You can see in the middle picture the lightning hole and behind the
guys the leading edge in place. Also in the very back corner under the light
is a stack of ribs for 4 more wing panels. Our spars are 1" before routing,
but 3/4" non-routed is sufficient, it's sort of builders choice.
Be extra careful in changing plans as this can (will) lead to
difficulties down the road. The Pietenpol plans are very very good and a
vast amount of information is there. Building by myself, I would have built
strictly to plans. It's amazing that you will see something new almost every
time you study them. And just when you think that some detail has been left
off the plans, just go back and look again, it's there!
Boy, we looked a lot younger in those pictures and some of us had a
lot more hair.
Barry Davis
NX973BP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 1:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: EAA Sport Aviation Magazine article on six
builders from GA
Great article.
I've been wondering about something for several weeks since I first read
this article, perhaps you guys can provide an answer. When I look at the
photo of the wing rib on page 66 (lower left), I see that the leading edge
is done a bit differently than mine. I am using the original Bernie plans,
which call for a 1/2" x 1/2" block reinforced with a small gusset. These
guys have a notched leading edge with a fully sheeted area in front of the
spar. Is this just a different technique or different plans? I like the way
theirs look... just wondering if I should have done that too?
It also looks like the spacing for their spar is likely 1". I built my wing
ribs to accept a 3/4" spar as I have read that the 3/4" is sufficient. This
is correct, right?
I guess I'm just second guessing my techniques since their build looks a
little different than mine.
--------
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Carburator question |
| From: | "rameses32" <rameses32(at)yahoo.com> |
Thank you everyone for all of the information. Atleast now I know I am not forced
to use one type of carby only.
CHarley
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| Subject: | Re: Carburator question |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi Jeff, I will be at Brodhead with My Super B Ford, Injection and all. It was
there last year but not always visible, South hangers.
Frank P has challenged me to a race, he has the Lambert 90 HP 5 cyl that was on
my Piet 2 years ago, since he is 30 pounds lighter he should give me some good
odds, and half my age. Just look for the blue Piet with silver wings and Allen's
picture on the side label "Golden Age".
Pieti Lowell
...
I now use fuel injection with great performance 85 HP from a Ford...
[/quote][/quote]
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| Subject: | Re: WAY off topic... PIC |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Who has the more net worth is what the lawyers will know.
I think it makes no difference who PIC is.
Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: How does a six-footer get into a Pietenpol? |
| From: | "old man emu" <qedhardware(at)gmail.com> |
There are two braces which run from the floor centre to the fuselage sides. The
bulkhead in question is attached to these braces, making cutting bigger slots
for the legs a bit difficult. What loads are those braces taking? Do they take
loads between the fuselage and rear wing attach?
I figured that relocating the rudder bar would solve the leg length problem, but
can the rudder bar be made so that the pedals could be adjusted to suit people
of various leg length?
I'm afraid I can't get to Oshkosh this year, but there will be a good sized Australian
contingent attending. I'm making a list of questions for those guys to
ask Pietenpol owners at Oshkosh, so be prepared for a few "G'days" [Laughing]
Old Man Emu
--------
I can't fly, but I'm telling you,
I can run the pants off a kangaroo
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| Subject: | Re: WAY off topic... PIC |
Personally I'm not as concerned over losing my house and my stuff as I am
over losing my PPL. I can always get more stuff.
> Who has the more net worth is what the lawyers will know.
> I think it makes no difference who PIC is.
> Pieti Lowell
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| From: | "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: WAY off topic... PIC |
Hey Pat,
Is there an interesting story here that you'd like to share?
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:29 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: WAY off topic... PIC
> <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
>
> Personally I'm not as concerned over losing my house and my stuff as I am
> over losing my PPL. I can always get more stuff.
>
>> Who has the more net worth is what the lawyers will know.
>> I think it makes no difference who PIC is.
>> Pieti Lowell
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Can anyone tell me how long a Model A engine is? |
| From: | "rameses32" <rameses32(at)yahoo.com> |
Just the crankshaft length, and heigth from crankshaft center to top of engine.
I just want to compare it to the Holden 186 inline six I picked up today, it
is 29" long, and 16" tall from crankshaft center to top of rocker cover.
I still havent weighed it yet but two of us lifted it into my van, with manifolds,
alternator, flywheel and clutch. I took all of that off and the bits I took
off weighed 60 lbs. When I got home I managed to put it on the engine stand
by myself, it was a wrestling match but I can't see it weighing much more than
250lbs. It has a steel crankshaft and reaches peak torque at 1800 RPM.
Charley
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| Subject: | Re: Can anyone tell me how long a Model A engine is? |
| From: | "rameses32" <rameses32(at)yahoo.com> |
Sorry, my mistake, 181ft/lbs torque at 1600 RPM.
rameses32 wrote:
> Just the crankshaft length, and heigth from crankshaft center to top of engine.
I just want to compare it to the Holden 186 inline six I picked up today, it
is 29" long, and 16" tall from crankshaft center to top of rocker cover.
>
> I still havent weighed it yet but two of us lifted it into my van, with manifolds,
alternator, flywheel and clutch. I took all of that off and the bits I took
off weighed 60 lbs. When I got home I managed to put it on the engine stand
by myself, it was a wrestling match but I can't see it weighing much more than
250lbs. It has a steel crankshaft and reaches peak torque at 1800 RPM.
>
> Charley
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| Subject: | Re: WAY off topic... PIC |
> Hey Pat,
>
> Is there an interesting story here that you'd like to share?
No. I just put myself in the first person to protect the innocent. :)
Pat
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| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: WAY off topic... PIC |
No
walt evans
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: WAY off topic... PIC
> <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
>
> Sorry to be so far off topic, but this is perhaps the most diverse group I
> belong to, so what better place to ask?
>
> With two qualified pilots on board, one having more hours and more
> ratings,
> endorsements, etc, but the more "junior" pilot has control of the plane,
> is
> seated in the left seat and paid the rental, loses control and bends the
> plane, can the senior pilot be held accountable?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Pat
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Can anyone tell me how long a Model A engine is? |
| From: | "old man emu" <qedhardware(at)gmail.com> |
rameses32 wrote:
> . I just want to compare it to the Holden 186 inline six I picked up today, it
is 29" long, and 16" tall from crankshaft center to top of rocker cover. Charley
Hey Charley,
Most of the people on this forum are Yanks. They wouldn't know a Holden from a
Black Stump. Better tell them what a 186 motor is, and who Holden is. Maybe there's
a similar GM engine that they'd be familiar with. I can't help, 'cause I
live in Ford country. On a quiet day you can sit and listen to the Holdens rust.
[Laughing]
Old Man Emu
--------
I can't fly, but I'm telling you,
I can run the pants off a kangaroo
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| Subject: | The Great Waldo Pepper |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
"The last time I flew with you the only thing I saw was the inside of a paper sack"
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| Subject: | Re: Can anyone tell me how long a Model A engine is? |
| From: | "rameses32" <rameses32(at)yahoo.com> |
Ok, here is a 186. It is an inline 6 cylinder engine of 186 cubic inches, made
by Holden Australia in 1968. Holden, owned by GM, has been making cars in Australia
since Moses parted the red sea. They now make the Pontiac GTO for america,
or did. The 186 is 29 inches long, and 24 inches tall from drain plug to
the top of the valve cover, it weighs???? peak torque is 181 ft/lbs at 1600 RPM
and 126 Hp at 4200.
old man emu wrote:
>
> rameses32 wrote:
> > . I just want to compare it to the Holden 186 inline six I picked up today,
it is 29" long, and 16" tall from crankshaft center to top of rocker cover. Charley
>
>
> Hey Charley,
> Most of the people on this forum are Yanks. They wouldn't know a Holden from
a Black Stump. Better tell them what a 186 motor is, and who Holden is. Maybe
there's a similar GM engine that they'd be familiar with. I can't help, 'cause
I live in Ford country. On a quiet day you can sit and listen to the Holdens
rust. [Laughing]
>
> Old Man Emu
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| From: | "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Can anyone tell me how long a Model A engine is? |
Charles:
I like your initiative regarding a locally available engine. Looks like ithe
Holden most closely resembles an 6 cyl Chevy inline engine as found on the
earlier Chevy NOVA over here.
a quick goggle on the Holden engine shows this:
http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/holden_HR_technical_specifications.htm
a.. 3.05 "186" X2 Engine:
a.. Capacity: 3048cc 186 cubic inches (3.048 litres)
b.. Type: Conventional, watercooled four stroke, reciprocating piston type
with 6 cylinders
c.. Configuration: Front mounted, longitudinal, inline
d.. Head: Pushrod and rocker actuated ohv with two valves per cylinder
e.. Fuel System: Twin carburettor
f.. Bore and Stroke: 3.625 x 3.00 inches (92.1 x 76.2mm)
g.. Power: 145bhp (108kw) at 4600rpm
h.. Torque: 184lb-ft (249Nm) at 2200rpm
i.. Compression Ratio: 9.2:1
http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/holden_red_motor.htm
and:
http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/holden_6_cylinder_engine_timeline_2.htm
and
http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/holden_red_motor_engine_codes.htm
How stout is the crank and what do the thrust bearings look like in that
Holden engine?
In recent years the Corvair conversion went through some teething issues due
to that detail. Several close calls and several broken cranks because they
simply were not designed to take a prop yanking around on the crank with its
relatively narrow atomotive application bearings.
http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/flexplate/problem.html
and:
http://www.flycorvair.com/crankissues.html
problems seem to be solved with the addition of a 5th bearing
http://www.fly5thbearing.com/5thbearing.html
Michael
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| Subject: | NEW (old) TO PIET LIST |
| From: | "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com> |
Making good progress on Air Camper. Started 10 years ago. Restarted in earnest
last September. Fuselage is 2" wider and 2" deeper than plans. At 6'2" and 215,
I have room to spare. Enjoy.
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| From: | "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com> |
and another:
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| Subject: | Re: How does a six-footer get into a Pietenpol? |
| From: | "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com> |
cut 'em bigger....these holes pass size 13 sorrels with no problem.
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| From: | gcardinal(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: NEW (old) TO PIET LIST |
Can you=C2-give us some details on the wheels? They look interesting.
Greg C.
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Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:54:56 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Pietenpol-List: NEW (old) TO PIET LIST
Making good progress on Air Camper. Started 10 years ago. Restarted in earn
est last September. Fuselage is 2" wider and 2" deeper than plans. At 6'2"
and 215, I have room to spare. Enjoy.
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Wow=2C Papa Mike- I love the woodwork on your Piet! And the engine really
looks handsome up there in front=2C too. Nice work!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: NEW (old) TO PIET LIST |
Looks great! Keep up the work!
Barry
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| From: | "Ed G." <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: How does a six-footer get into a Pietenpol? |
Nice work! From the scuff marks on the floorboards I'd say you've been maki
ng engine noises...LOL
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| From: | "Will42" <will(at)cctc.net> |
gcardinal(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Can you give us some details on the wheels? They look interesting.
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | 80th anniversary today? |
I could be wrong, but according to Chet Peek's book, May 20, 1929 was
when Bernard Pietenpol first flew his new airplane, the Air Camper.
Did anyone fly their Piet today? I wanted to, but we had winds too high for me!
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| From: | "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Okoume Plywood Gussets? |
Of course there is an AD requiring removal of all of those cardboard
gussets from Aeroncas!
Gene
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Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:47 PM
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John,
Just remember that Bernard Pietenpol used those round Quaker Oats
boxes for
the leading edge of his planes. I guess one box= one rib bay.
And my Mentor tells me that the old Aeronca's (I think) used cardboard
gussets on their ribs. And these were Certified Planes
walt evans
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> I am looking for some advise.
> I have spent the last year preparing for my Pietenpol building
project. I
> have acquired many tools, some spruce and plywood. I have completed
my
> construction table along with a rib jig. I purchased some 1/16th
Okoume
> plywood with a BS6566 rating from Boulters. I also have some Wicks
> aircraft plywood I got from a failed builder in Ohio. The Okoume is
alot
> more flexible and looks like it would be perfect for the leading
edge and
> the Wicks plywood seems better for the wing rib gussets. Would this
be
> acceptable, or should I be doing some type of strength testing. I am
> excited about mixing up that first batch of T88, but I would hate to
start
> this off with a screw up. Any advice or suggestions will be greatly
> appreciated.
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> John C. in Kentucky
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| From: | hvandervoo(at)aol.com |
Yes I did, 2-5 Mph winds, 75?degrees, a 20 min. evening flight.
Might do it again this evening.
Hans
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: 80th anniversary today?
?
I could be wrong, but according to Chet Peek's book, May 20, 1929 was when Bernard
Pietenpol first flew his new airplane, the Air Camper.?
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Did anyone fly their Piet today? I wanted to, but we had winds too high for me!?
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| Subject: | Re: NEW (old) TO PIET LIST |
| From: | "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com> |
The wheels are 21, built up with my own aluminum hub design, spoked cross -2,
and aluminum skinned. The ones currently on my Piet are my prototypes to check
feasibility of the conic skins. The intent was to emulate the old Bendix Airwheels.
At the urging of the late Al Kelsh, I made (3) more much refined sets for
customers. These later models accepted both Tri-Pacer hydraulic brakes and
the old mechanicals from an Aeronca. Far too labor intensive to build and sell
at anything past break-even. The later wheels finished at 19# complete. which
is exactly what a 600-6 with tube and tire weighs. I have materials to make
one final set for myself someday. Following are some pics of the later style
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| Subject: | Re: How does a six-footer get into a Pietenpol? |
| From: | "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com> |
I got tired of the neighbors coming over and asking me to tone down the cursing
while throttling up from the "PUCKET-A, PUCKET-A, PUCKET-A" at idle, so now I
just go over and start the back-up generator before getting in. Much more realistic......the
hourmeter on the genset says 30 hours.
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| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Can anyone tell me how long a Model A engine |
is?
Sorry, but didn't Henry Ford hang out in NJ? He was best friends with Thomas
Edison, from West Orange NJ?
If you get divorced in the south, Is she still your sister?
walt evans
NX140DL
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Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 7:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Can anyone tell me how long a Model A engine
is?
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> rameses32 wrote:
>> . I just want to compare it to the Holden 186 inline six I picked up
>> today, it is 29" long, and 16" tall from crankshaft center to top of
>> rocker cover. Charley
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> Hey Charley,
> Most of the people on this forum are Yanks. They wouldn't know a Holden
> from a Black Stump. Better tell them what a 186 motor is, and who Holden
> is. Maybe there's a similar GM engine that they'd be familiar with. I
> can't help, 'cause I live in Ford country. On a quiet day you can sit and
> listen to the Holdens rust. [Laughing]
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Rebel Pilots & Sons of the South Association |
Walt wrote-
> If you get divorced in the south=2C Is she still your sister?
I'll bet you started a little north-south skirmish with that one=2C Walt
=3Bo) I'd be checking my six if I were you. We southerners are known for
our hospitality=2C but we haven't forgotten "the late unpleasantness".
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: NEW (old) TO PIET LIST |
| From: | "rameses32" <rameses32(at)yahoo.com> |
Oh my, what a terrible looking Pietenpol, shoddy craftsmanship, such a shame, if
I were you I would be too imbarassed to show that contraption in public. Tell
you what though, since we are such good mates, why don't you pack it up and
send it to me, I'll hide it for you and nobody will ever know about it. You might
as well throw in any of thoes wheels you have laying around and I'll hide
them for you aswell. And don't worry, I wont charge you a dime for my troubles
either, all you have to do is pay the shipping.
Charley
P.S. Please make sure and include the wings, they, umm, will make it easier to
hide, yea, thats it.
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| Subject: | Anyone near Mojave? |
This may help, especially if everyone participates:
http://www.frappr.com/pietenpol/map
Pat
Listers:
My wife and I will be journeying to beautiful (desolate) Mojave, CA over
the first couple of weeks in June to visit family. Since we will be
spending quite a bit of time in the Lancaster / Palmdale / Mojave area I
was wondering if there are any Piet builders / projects that I could
visit while there. If you're interested please reply either on or
off-list and I will get back with you.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
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| From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Tach cable lubrication? |
This might seem like a dumb question, but I've just installed a new tach
cable purchased from Aircraft
Spruce. Does the inner cable need any additional lubricant? I'm assuming it
comes lubricated but there are some bends in it getting from the engine
back to the tach in the back pit. If additional lubrication will extend the
life of that inner cable, now would be the time to do it. If so, any
recommendations on the lube to use. I've seen some low temp. Mil. spec. grease
at
Univair that they recommend for tachs but there might also be an automotive
product that works well too.. any suggestions?
Matt Paxton
NX629ML (just got the registration this week)
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| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tach cable lubrication? |
My Mentor recommends Lubriplate white grease
walt evans
NX140DL
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Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 2:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tach cable lubrication?
This might seem like a dumb question, but I've just installed a new
tach cable purchased from Aircraft
Spruce. Does the inner cable need any additional lubricant? I'm
assuming it comes lubricated but there are some bends in it getting from
the engine back to the tach in the back pit. If additional lubrication
will extend the life of that inner cable, now would be the time to do
it. If so, any recommendations on the lube to use. I've seen some low
temp. Mil. spec. grease at Univair that they recommend for tachs but
there might also be an automotive product that works well too.. any
suggestions?
Matt Paxton
NX629ML (just got the registration this week)
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| Subject: | Re: Rebel Pilots & Sons of the South Association |
| From: | joe motis <joemotis(at)gmail.com> |
No, but she is still your cousin...
No archivos heck I'm fromCA
joe motis
On 5/22/09, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
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> Walt wrote-
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> > If you get divorced in the south, Is she still your sister?
>
> I'll bet you started a little north-south skirmish with that one, Walt ;o)
> I'd be checking my six if I were you. We southerners are known for our
> hospitality, but we haven't forgotten "the late unpleasantness".
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Tach cable lubrication? |
| From: | outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com |
When I worked at the speedometer shop building cables, we
would slide one end of the cable cores into the 12
inch long Lubriplate white lithium grease tube that live
d on the counter with no lid. Then we put the cabl
e core back in the housing and shipped them.
Jeremy in Dallas
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Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 17:37:11
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Tach cable lubrication? |
Matt Paxton & group,
Congratulations on getting your registration and making progress on your Pietenpol
project. You've hung in there--way to go.
On New Year's Day, 2000 a few of us wanted to see if our airplanes were Y2K compliant
and decided to go flying to make sure.
The OAT was 8F with sunny skies and about 2" of fresh snow on the ground. After
preheating a few planes (Cub, Piet, J-2)
we all flew for a few minutes around the pattern. On climb-out my tach went from
2200 rpm to zero but thankfully the engine
was running like a charm. My tach cable broke in the sheath so upon ordering
a new cable (thanks to ASS's (Aircraft Spruce & Specialty)
Lake Havasu, AZ facility it only took weeks and weeks and phone calls and more
phone calls to get my replacement to arrive
via Pony Express, steam train, wagon train, and carrier piegeons) I lubricated
it with Amzoil synthetic grease and so far it has
worked like a charm though I've not tested it at temperatures below about 45 F
since that fine day in 2000. (younger and dumber then)
(now older, still dumb)
Mike C.
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | intersection takeoff |
My instructor/mentor has taken 41CC off at Zapata County airport by applyin
g full throttle where the parking apron meets the intersection taxiway and
has gotten airborne before getting to the runway. He's the airport manager
there so I guess he can do that =3Bo)
I would try it at San Geronimo=2C my home base=2C except there is a fence a
nd a windsock on a pole straight ahead of me as I taxi out from my hangar t
o the runway.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Ameet Savant <ameetsavant(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello everyone,
I was on vacation for a month or so and finally am caught up with the 600 or so
posts on the Pietenpol list. It is truly amazing how active this group is. For
flying low and slow we do seem to post like the fast and furious!
Anyway, like every builder, I am contemplating engine choices for my yet to be
started Pietenpol. I never thought I would consider the Ford Model A mainly because
I am not that much of a purist. However, when opportunity knocks, who am
I to ignore?
I ran into the local Model A club member (while getting my car windshield replaced-
whole other story) and he has a 1928 Model A engine block that he is willing
to part for free. Given my gross ignorance about all things engines (we all
have to start somewhere), I have no recourse but to ask the good folks of this
list-- Is this something I should acquire and decide later if I am going to
use it or not? Is there a particular model year that is better suited for flight?
The condition of the engine is unknown, but hey the price is just right!
Your help is much appreciated!
Ameet Savant
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| Subject: | Re: ANY BUILDERS NEAR PENSACOLA? |
| From: | "jimcarriere" <jimcarriere(at)yahoo.com> |
[quote="Jerry Dotson"]I am wanting to start a Pietenpol soon. Any builders or owners
near Pensacola, FL?? I would buy a project if near me and all spruce and
MIL-SPEC plywood. I am going with Continental power. Probably an O-200. What
about 3 piece wing versus 1 piece? I have room to build either way.
Jerry Dotson[/quote]
Jerry, I live in Navarre. I'm a Piet fan but not a Piet builder; I'm halfway done
building a Kitfox (and 90% to go... life got in the way for the last couple
years). I go to the EAA chapter in Crestview (108) and while there are no Piets
in that chapter there are a handful of fabric covered airplanes and lots
of smart and friendly people. I don't know much about the EAA chapter in Pensacola
(485) other than they have lots of good people too.
Something good to know in this area, if you order something from Aircraft Spruce
in Atlanta then UPS Ground shipping usually shows up the next day. That's just
dumb good luck.
Good luck!
-Jim
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Kitfox Series 7 in progress
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| From: | "Chet's Mail" <Chethartley1(at)mchsi.com> |
Ameet,
The Ford engine is a good engine for the piet, the only thing I would do
different is to install a counter balanced crank shaft. You can buy one or
have yours balanced.
Chet Hartley 920Y
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From: "Ameet Savant" <ameetsavant(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 12:19 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I was on vacation for a month or so and finally am caught up with the 600
> or so posts on the Pietenpol list. It is truly amazing how active this
> group is. For flying low and slow we do seem to post like the fast and
> furious!
>
> Anyway, like every builder, I am contemplating engine choices for my yet
> to be started Pietenpol. I never thought I would consider the Ford Model A
> mainly because I am not that much of a purist. However, when opportunity
> knocks, who am I to ignore?
>
> I ran into the local Model A club member (while getting my car windshield
> replaced- whole other story) and he has a 1928 Model A engine block that
> he is willing to part for free. Given my gross ignorance about all things
> engines (we all have to start somewhere), I have no recourse but to ask
> the good folks of this list-- Is this something I should acquire and
> decide later if I am going to use it or not? Is there a particular model
> year that is better suited for flight? The condition of the engine is
> unknown, but hey the price is just right!
>
> Your help is much appreciated!
>
> Ameet Savant
>
>
>
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | three tenths flight time |
Doesn't sound like much=2C but it sure was a great flight. We had a heavy
passing thunderstorm today so I was inside the hangar most of the afternoon
but when it got done raining=2C there wasn't much wind and I knew I'd have
to go fly. It is so nice to fly in an open cockpit in conditions like the
se: cool=2C clean air=2C everything fresh from a rain=2C and the airplane f
lies strong and smooth. The smells are richer and the colors of everything
seem brighter and more true. So I didn't fly for long but I didn't have t
o- it was enough. My three landings were all nearly perfect=2C a little st
anding water splashing the tires=2C then we were home.
This is what Mr. Pietenpol must have had in his mind when he first set out
to design the Air Camper more than 80 years ago=2C and why he kept after it
when the first few versions didn't quite match the picture he had in his m
ind. Minimal preflight=2C minimal fuss and planning=2C and you're out flyi
ng. No charts=2C no radios=2C no gadgets=2C nothing. I used my canvas fly
ing helmet and goggles=2C didn't even bother with the other helmet with hea
ring protectors because when I use the plain canvas=2C I can hear the wind
in the wires when I pull off the power for landing. This is Piet flying.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: three tenths flight time |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Aman-Oscar. I have been flying Pietenpols for well over 40 some odd years You have
said it all. I have never ever missed flying a Piet to the annual Brodhead
fly-in. This is also my 80Th also . I have known the greats, most have signed
my logs and you guys are carrying the torch, and with all the great comments
I read, keep It up, see you at Brodhead.
Pieti Lowell
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| From: | "ALAN LYSCARS" <alyscars(at)myfairpoint.net> |
Ameet..
Possession is always 100% of a resource's value. Take it and use it later,
trade or sell it later, or scrap it later. Just plain Yankee attitude!
Al in New Hampshire
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From: "Ameet Savant" <ameetsavant(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:19 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A
> I ran into the local Model A club member (while getting my car windshield
> replaced- whole other story) and he has a 1928 Model A engine block that
> he is willing to part for free.
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
hello there I think we have the same dilema and allso you trate to have cor
vier engines is aluminium blok and aircooler you foun those in yunk yard fo
r less 100 each i trate to heve one or ford modelA too , but people flu in
ford model powered piet and fly in other engine realised is beter A65 or co
rvier I personaly fly in piet whit A65- my whit is 186 my frien is 178lbs
so we have past the limit and fly exelent i hope these help you- cincere
ly jorge lizarraga
--- On Sat, 5/23/09, Ameet Savant wrote:
From: Ameet Savant <ameetsavant(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A
Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 10:19 AM
Hello everyone,
I was on vacation for a month or so and finally am caught up with the 600 o
r so posts on the Pietenpol list. It is truly amazing how active this group
is. For flying low and slow we do seem to post like the fast and furious!
Anyway, like every builder, I am contemplating engine choices for my yet to
be started Pietenpol. I never thought I would consider the Ford Model A ma
inly because I am not that much of a purist. However, when opportunity knoc
ks, who am I to ignore?
I ran into the local Model A club member (while getting my car windshield r
eplaced- whole other story) and he has a 1928 Model A engine block that he
is willing to part for free. Given my gross ignorance about all things engi
nes (we all have to start somewhere), I have no recourse but to ask the goo
d folks of this list-- Is this something I should acquire and decide later
if I am going to use it or not? Is there a particular model year that is be
tter suited for flight? The condition of the engine is unknown, but hey the
price is just right!
Your help is much appreciated!
Ameet Savant
- - -
le, List Admin.
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
hello to florida Im build a piet here and is my fuselaje almost done and tr
ate to build 3 pises wing like old timer is best because you can disamble f
or transport to another location, and is the 0-200 engine is tomouch powere
d and stres for the fuselaje is disagned for no more that 120mph. so more p
ower?? well you welcome to piet builders you found these proyect enyoable a
nd funn to have .seyou jorge
--- On Sat, 5/23/09, jimcarriere wrote:
From: jimcarriere <jimcarriere(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ANY BUILDERS NEAR PENSACOLA?
Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 10:51 AM
[quote="Jerry Dotson"]I am wanting to start a Pietenpol soon. Any builder
s or owners near Pensacola, FL?? I would buy a project if near me and all s
pruce and MIL-SPEC plywood. I am going with Continental power. Probably an
O-200. What about 3 piece wing versus 1 piece? I have room to build either
way.
Jerry Dotson[/quote]
Jerry, I live in Navarre.- I'm a Piet fan but not a Piet builder; I'm hal
fway done building a Kitfox (and 90% to go... life got in the way for the l
ast couple years).- I go to the EAA chapter in Crestview (108) and while
there are no Piets in that chapter there are a handful of fabric covered ai
rplanes and lots of smart and friendly people.- I don't know much about t
he EAA chapter in Pensacola (485) other than they have lots of good people
too.
Something good to know in this area, if you order something from Aircraft S
pruce in Atlanta then UPS Ground shipping usually shows up the next day.-
That's just dumb good luck.
Good luck!
-Jim
--------
Jim in NW FL
Kitfox Series 7 in progress
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| From: | lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan) |
In one of the old Buckeye news letters, Frank Pvaglia suggested
lengthening the fus. 6 inches at the nose with the A. I lengthened my
motor mt. 4" and probably should have gone 2 more inches. Ken Perkins
extended his mt. 7" He was pretty heavy then, but has since lost
weight. . Chuck Ganzer had to put 14lbs of lead on the front of his
model A. BHP came from an era when a fat person was rare, and the term
"couch potato" wasn't even invented yet.Brodhead is only 2 months away,
go and attend Ken Perkins's modle A forum. Leon S. in Kansas.
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| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net> |
I don't think the O-200 will be too much power. They put the Corvair on it and
they say the Corvair is more powerful than the O-200 is.
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| Subject: | building on the road |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <rhano(at)att.net> |
Well Oscar's flight story gives me something to look forward to in mine if I can
just finish it.I flew an hour yesterday in my clipwing Challenger while it was
cool and calm.should have been ideal for a Pietenpol.noticed as I went over
a big pipeline bridge how the cables seemed to have been painted green.cruised
on to the hills where Billy Dixon made his mile long shot from a buffalo hunters
camp north of the Canadian River and turned after seeing some nice Mule Deer.All
this at maybe 200 ft. AGL. headed back south and saw about 20 Turkey buzzards
sitting on those cables that support the 24" pipeline with their wings
spread out. where did those come from ? guess they were in the shadows on the
way over-the thing is about a half mile long.anyway I got in a beautiful flight
and came home to get a little more done on the project I got from DJ- I sure
want to get it flying in the next year but have been doing a lot of traveling
and will be working around Kansas most of the summer and living in motels except
weekends so it will be difficult-not a lot of small parts to take along for
building in the evenings at this stage.it was nice to have ribs to glue up
years back when I was doing it.Anyway- I wonder how flying low and sightseeing
will be in the GN-1 behind the Corvair. I know the noise should be a lot more
tolerable than the screaming 2 stroke,but I can cruise it at 85 to 90 an really
bank it around to stay with a running Antelope or rabbit to get a second look
without it dropping out from under me.i doubt the speeds will be anywhere near
as fast and i don't know if it will be as forgiving in a tight turn as my
old Piper used to be.it seemed that thing would rotate in one spot with enough
rudder -something to practice at higher altitudes.but I'm just guessing the Piet
will be a little less responsive in a turn.anyway this is not worth archiving-just
daydreams.Raymond
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| Subject: | engine mount angle |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <rhano(at)att.net> |
OK as usual I'm sure this has been hashed over before.but I don't try to go into
archives and hunt well.I am close to hanging the engine back on the mount,but
I'm wondering if it would be worth putting any angle down or to the side kinda
like a lot of Pipers have when I hang it? mines the GN-1 version with the Corvair.Raymond
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| From: | "Will42" <will(at)cctc.net> |
"Is there a particular model year that is better suited for flight?"
I would get the engine no matter. As far as counter balancing; it's really not
needed; no more RPM than the "A" turns with a prop. Better to get a 1928 forged
crank; much stronger and lighter; counter-balance just adds weight and you don't
need that.
Will42
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | now much bungee cord do I need? |
I'm ordering bungee cord for my Jenny landing gear. How much and what size
has worked for you guys?
Thanks
Douwe
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | engine mount angle |
Raymond;
Let's see if I change my message formatting to "plain text" if
the extra "alphabet" doesn't show up in my posts whenever I add
a comma or other punctuation.
The Corvair engine mount design that you can get from the Pietenpol
family incorporates the offset that Mr. Pietenpol used on his
airplanes. The plans for that mount show the propeller end of the
main cradle tubes 1" lower than the firewall end of the tubes but
no left/right offset. I have not heard whether any of the PietVair
pilots have needed to add rudder trim or other offset. Perhaps Hans
will comment on how his PietVair flies, and if he built his mount
according to the Pietenpol drawing dated 3-15-67.
I have one of these engine mounts, built per this drawing, and can
dig it out of the hangar and make measurements if you'd like.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Ameet Savant <ameetsavant(at)yahoo.com> |
Thank you all for responding to my questions.
Is there a Model A adapted for flight specifications page some place? I have looked
at the first few pages of Google results but didn't find any RPM information.
I know the Ford makes 40HP- but at what RPM?
I am tentatively planning to attend Brodhead this year. I plan to learn a lot about
the Air Camper. I am sure someone would give me a ride in one too!
Regards.
Ameet
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | now much bungee cord do I need? |
Douwe,
I use 6 feet of 1/2" diameter bungee per side. 5/8" is too much work to wrap.
Beware...I've ordered 1/2" and rec'd 5/8" that they said
was "close enough" from Wicks and ACS. Some guys use the 5/8" but for me tis
too stiff and doesn't give the "give" you might desire.
Other's may vary on what they use but that has worked for me.
PS-- don't buy flea market or dollar store bungee material/cord....was a dumb move
I'll never do again as it lasted less than 2 mos.
PSS-- If you have a Boater's World store near you, you can go there and see the
great selection of bungee cord they have and just
tell them to cut you how ever much you'll need.
PSSSS-- to get the right "give" I sometimes have to wrap and re-wrap my cords
2-3 times to get them to be equal from side to side
(roughly) and so they don't sag too much with a full load but aren't too tight
where they don't give at all. It is kind of like making Goldie Locks
happy with the bed that is just right.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: engine mount angle |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <rhano(at)att.net> |
Oscar looks like you fixed the thing with the extra C's alright.I was considering
whether to do anything with the thrust on my mount-of course if your's is for
a real Piet it would no doubt be different in fit than a GN-1 anyway.I know
D.J. said he added some angle of attack to the wing if I remember right so maybe
that will allow it to fly more level and the engine also will be good like
he built it.but anyway-just doing some brain-storming.thanks.Raymond
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I'm getting ready to place an order for my wood kit, and since I have to pay freight,
I'd like to get as much stuff as I can on this order... especially all
the larger stuff that will require a freight truck.
I know I've seen some discussion of parts lists on the boards, but I've searched
for those threads and haven't come up with anything. As for the wood, I've
already got all the capstrip for my wing ribs (only a few left to build), and
I understand that in addition to the wood kit, I will need ply for gussets, floor
and sides, as well as fuselage standoff material. I've identified several
things that I'll need to order by studying the prints, but I'd hate to leave
something out that I've overlooked, or order a part that should be substituted
with something else.
Does anyone have a parts list I can refer to prior to completing my order?
Thanks!
--------
Mark
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Bernard makes these comments from the builder's manual (and thus originally
in the F+G articles):
"We recommend the engine to turn over at 1,750 RPM on the ground and cruise
at 1,650 RPM in the air, although they will turn up to 1,900 RPM in the air
at full throttle in flight. However, cruising at 1,650 RPM reduces the
amount of maintenance that is required for the engine. The cruising speed
averages from 60-70 MPH, while the climb is very similar to the average OX-5
engine powered airplane."
Hope that helps give you an idea of what to expect.
Ryan
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Ameet Savant wrote:
>
>
> Thank you all for responding to my questions.
>
> Is there a Model A adapted for flight specifications page some place? I
> have looked at the first few pages of Google results but didn't find any RPM
> information. I know the Ford makes 40HP- but at what RPM?
>
> I am tentatively planning to attend Brodhead this year. I plan to learn a
> lot about the Air Camper. I am sure someone would give me a ride in one too!
>
> Regards.
> Ameet
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| From: | "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au> |
Mark,
I have a wood list on my web site. Check out http://www.cpc-world.com.
Have a look under "Services & Suppliers".
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Monday, 25 May 2009 1:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Parts List
I'm getting ready to place an order for my wood kit, and since I have to pay
freight, I'd like to get as much stuff as I can on this order... especially
all the larger stuff that will require a freight truck.
I know I've seen some discussion of parts lists on the boards, but I've
searched for those threads and haven't come up with anything. As for the
wood, I've already got all the capstrip for my wing ribs (only a few left to
build), and I understand that in addition to the wood kit, I will need ply
for gussets, floor and sides, as well as fuselage standoff material. I've
identified several things that I'll need to order by studying the prints,
but I'd hate to leave something out that I've overlooked, or order a part
that should be substituted with something else.
Does anyone have a parts list I can refer to prior to completing my order?
Thanks!
--------
Mark
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
The true horsepower of all Lycomings and Continentals
is 20% less than rated right from the factory and it gets
less as the engine wears.
The A weighs 244 lb dry. Add water, radiator and hoses.
Now it weighs 260 or more, about the same as the O-290
I've got.
The larger engine isn't there to give you more speed, that's
dictated by the airframe. It's there to get you off the
ground sooner. There will be times that's a good thing.
Remember the list of useless things in aviation.
Add to that the horsepower you don't have. :-)
Just make sure you understand the tradeoffs.
Clif, workin on firewall and engine mount.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: california
>
> I don't think the O-200 will be too much power. They put the Corvair on it
> and they say the Corvair is more powerful than the O-200 is.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245121#245121
>
>
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07:09:00
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| Subject: | Re: How do you wrap bungee cord? |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Straight axle guys,
Is there a secret to the method of wrapping that bungee cord? I have mine on (loosely)
but trying to do it with one person is next to impossible without four
hands. How did you secure the ends together?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 05/23/09 |
| From: | amsafetyc(at)aol.com |
Well gang I just started the tear down and inspection of my intended power plant.
So far the crank is looking good run out looks really good. Zero at the number
3 main and .0015 at the front plate at the very most. I don't know what it was
at brand new but those numbers are encouraging.
The lycoming 0235C came out of a wreck that I believed nosed over following a prop
strike at idle. I hope the magnaflux confirms no cracks or metal damage.
News like that I just had to share
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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1. 07:55 AM - intersection takeoff (Oscar Zuniga)
2. 10:23 AM - Model A (Ameet Savant)
3. 10:51 AM - Re: ANY BUILDERS NEAR PENSACOLA? (jimcarriere)
4. 11:42 AM - Re: Model A (Chet's Mail)
5. 06:12 PM - three tenths flight time (Oscar Zuniga)
6. 08:20 PM - Re: three tenths flight time (Pieti Lowell)
7. 08:35 PM - Re: Model A (ALAN LYSCARS)
8. 09:52 PM - Re: Model A (jorge lizarraga)
9. 10:03 PM - california (jorge lizarraga)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: intersection takeoff
My instructor/mentor has taken 41CC off at Zapata County airport by applyin
g full throttle where the parking apron meets the intersection taxiway and
has gotten airborne before getting to the runway. He's the airport manager
there so I guess he can do that =3Bo)
I would try it at San Geronimo=2C my home base=2C except there is a fence a
nd a windsock on a pole straight ahead of me as I taxi out from my hangar t
o the runway.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
From: Ameet Savant <ameetsavant(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A
Hello everyone,
I was on vacation for a month or so and finally am caught up with the 600 or so
posts on the Pietenpol list. It is truly amazing how active this group is. For
flying low and slow we do seem to post like the fast and furious!
Anyway, like every builder, I am contemplating engine choices for my yet to be
started Pietenpol. I never thought I would consider the Ford Model A mainly because
I am not that much of a purist. However, when opportunity knocks, who am
I to ignore?
I ran into the local Model A club member (while getting my car windshield replaced-
whole other story) and he has a 1928 Model A engine block that he is willing
to part for free. Given my gross ignorance about all things engines (we all
have to start somewhere), I have no recourse but to ask the good folks of this
list-- Is this something I should acquire and decide later if I am going to
use it or not? Is there a particular model year that is better suited for flight?
The condition of the engine is unknown, but hey the price is just right!
Your help is much appreciated!
Ameet Savant
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ANY BUILDERS NEAR PENSACOLA?
From: "jimcarriere" <jimcarriere(at)yahoo.com>
[quote="Jerry Dotson"]I am wanting to start a Pietenpol soon. Any builders or owners
near Pensacola, FL?? I would buy a project if near me and all spruce and
MIL-SPEC plywood. I am going with Continental power. Probably an O-200. What
about 3 piece wing versus 1 piece? I have room to build either way.
Jerry Dotson[/quote]
Jerry, I live in Navarre. I'm a Piet fan but not a Piet builder; I'm halfway done
building a Kitfox (and 90% to go... life got in the way for the last couple
years). I go to the EAA chapter in Crestview (108) and while there are no Piets
in that chapter there are a handful of fabric covered airplanes and lots
of smart and friendly people. I don't know much about the EAA chapter in Pensacola
(485) other than they have lots of good people too.
Something good to know in this area, if you order something from Aircraft Spruce
in Atlanta then UPS Ground shipping usually shows up the next day. That's just
dumb good luck.
Good luck!
-Jim
--------
Jim in NW FL
Kitfox Series 7 in progress
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From: "Chet's Mail" <Chethartley1(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Model A
Ameet,
The Ford engine is a good engine for the piet, the only thing I would do
different is to install a counter balanced crank shaft. You can buy one or
have yours balanced.
Chet Hartley 920Y
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ameet Savant" <ameetsavant(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 12:19 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I was on vacation for a month or so and finally am caught up with the 600
> or so posts on the Pietenpol list. It is truly amazing how active this
> group is. For flying low and slow we do seem to post like the fast and
> furious!
>
> Anyway, like every builder, I am contemplating engine choices for my yet
> to be started Pietenpol. I never thought I would consider the Ford Model A
> mainly because I am not that much of a purist. However, when opportunity
> knocks, who am I to ignore?
>
> I ran into the local Model A club member (while getting my car windshield
> replaced- whole other story) and he has a 1928 Model A engine block that
> he is willing to part for free. Given my gross ignorance about all things
> engines (we all have to start somewhere), I have no recourse but to ask
> the good folks of this list-- Is this something I should acquire and
> decide later if I am going to use it or not? Is there a particular model
> year that is better suited for flight? The condition of the engine is
> unknown, but hey the price is just right!
>
> Your help is much appreciated!
>
> Ameet Savant
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: three tenths flight time
Doesn't sound like much=2C but it sure was a great flight. We had a heavy
passing thunderstorm today so I was inside the hangar most of the afternoon
but when it got done raining=2C there wasn't much wind and I knew I'd have
to go fly. It is so nice to fly in an open cockpit in conditions like the
se: cool=2C clean air=2C everything fresh from a rain=2C and the airplane f
lies strong and smooth. The smells are richer and the colors of everything
seem brighter and more true. So I didn't fly for long but I didn't have t
o- it was enough. My three landings were all nearly perfect=2C a little st
anding water splashing the tires=2C then we were home.
This is what Mr. Pietenpol must have had in his mind when he first set out
to design the Air Camper more than 80 years ago=2C and why he kept after it
when the first few versions didn't quite match the picture he had in his m
ind. Minimal preflight=2C minimal fuss and planning=2C and you're out flyi
ng. No charts=2C no radios=2C no gadgets=2C nothing. I used my canvas fly
ing helmet and goggles=2C didn't even bother with the other helmet with hea
ring protectors because when I use the plain canvas=2C I can hear the wind
in the wires when I pull off the power for landing. This is Piet flying.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: three tenths flight time
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Aman-Oscar. I have been flying Pietenpols for well over 40 some odd years You have
said it all. I have never ever missed flying a Piet to the annual Brodhead
fly-in. This is also my 80Th also . I have known the greats, most have signed
my logs and you guys are carrying the torch, and with all the great comments
I read, keep It up, see you at Brodhead.
Pieti Lowell
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________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
From: "ALAN LYSCARS" <alyscars(at)myfairpoint.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Model A
Ameet..
Possession is always 100% of a resource's value. Take it and use it later,
trade or sell it later, or scrap it later. Just plain Yankee attitude!
Al in New Hampshire
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ameet Savant" <ameetsavant(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:19 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A
> I ran into the local Model A club member (while getting my car windshield
> replaced- whole other story) and he has a 1928 Model A engine block that
> he is willing to part for free.
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
From: jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model A
hello there I think we have the same dilema and allso you trate to have cor
vier engines is aluminium blok and aircooler you foun those in yunk yard fo
r less 100 each i trate to heve one or ford modelA too , but people flu in
ford model powered piet and fly in other engine realised is beter A65 or co
rvier I personaly fly in piet whit A65- my whit is 186 my frien is 178lbs
so we have past the limit and fly exelent i hope these help you- cincere
ly jorge lizarraga
--- On Sat, 5/23/09, Ameet Savant wrote:
From: Ameet Savant <ameetsavant(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A
Hello everyone,
I was on vacation for a month or so and finally am caught up with the 600 o
r so posts on the Pietenpol list. It is truly amazing how active this group
is. For flying low and slow we do seem to post like the fast and furious!
Anyway, like every builder, I am contemplating engine choices for my yet to
be started Pietenpol. I never thought I would consider the Ford Model A ma
inly because I am not that much of a purist. However, when opportunity knoc
ks, who am I to ignore?
I ran into the local Model A club member (while getting my car windshield r
eplaced- whole other story) and he has a 1928 Model A engine block that he
is willing to part for free. Given my gross ignorance about all things engi
nes (we all have to start somewhere), I have no recourse but to ask the goo
d folks of this list-- Is this something I should acquire and decide later
if I am going to use it or not? Is there a particular model year that is be
tter suited for flight? The condition of the engine is unknown, but hey the
price is just right!
Your help is much appreciated!
Ameet Savant
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le, List Admin.
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________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
From: jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: california
hello to florida Im build a piet here and is my fuselaje almost done and tr
ate to build 3 pises wing like old timer is best because you can disamble f
or transport to another location, and is the 0-200 engine is tomouch powere
d and stres for the fuselaje is disagned for no more that 120mph. so more p
ower?? well you welcome to piet builders you found these proyect enyoable a
nd funn to have .seyou jorge
--- On Sat, 5/23/09, jimcarriere wrote:
From: jimcarriere <jimcarriere(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ANY BUILDERS NEAR PENSACOLA?
[quote="Jerry Dotson"]I am wanting to start a Pietenpol soon. Any builder
s or owners near Pensacola, FL?? I would buy a project if near me and all s
pruce and MIL-SPEC plywood. I am going with Continental power. Probably an
O-200. What about 3 piece wing versus 1 piece? I have room to build either
way.
Jerry Dotson[/quote]
Jerry, I live in Navarre.- I'm a Piet fan but not a Piet builder; I'm hal
fway done building a Kitfox (and 90% to go... life got in the way for the l
ast couple years).- I go to the EAA chapter in Crestview (108) and while
there are no Piets in that chapter there are a handful of fabric covered ai
rplanes and lots of smart and friendly people.- I don't know much about t
he EAA chapter in Pensacola (485) other than they have lots of good people
too.
Something good to know in this area, if you order something from Aircraft S
pruce in Atlanta then UPS Ground shipping usually shows up the next day.-
That's just dumb good luck.
Good luck!
-Jim
--------
Jim in NW FL
Kitfox Series 7 in progress
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 05/23/09 |
| From: | amsafetyc(at)aol.com |
Does anyone have a prop size and pitch recommendation. I am looking for climb performance
over cruise. The 0235 develops 108 hp.
Thanks
John
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-----Original Message-----
From: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:50:52
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 05/23/09
Well gang I just started the tear down and inspection of my intended power plant.
So far the crank is looking good run out looks really good. Zero at the number
3 main and .0015 at the front plate at the very most. I don't know what it was
at brand new but those numbers are encouraging.
The lycoming 0235C came out of a wreck that I believed nosed over following a prop
strike at idle. I hope the magnaflux confirms no cracks or metal damage.
News like that I just had to share
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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1. 07:55 AM - intersection takeoff (Oscar Zuniga)
2. 10:23 AM - Model A (Ameet Savant)
3. 10:51 AM - Re: ANY BUILDERS NEAR PENSACOLA? (jimcarriere)
4. 11:42 AM - Re: Model A (Chet's Mail)
5. 06:12 PM - three tenths flight time (Oscar Zuniga)
6. 08:20 PM - Re: three tenths flight time (Pieti Lowell)
7. 08:35 PM - Re: Model A (ALAN LYSCARS)
8. 09:52 PM - Re: Model A (jorge lizarraga)
9. 10:03 PM - california (jorge lizarraga)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: intersection takeoff
My instructor/mentor has taken 41CC off at Zapata County airport by applyin
g full throttle where the parking apron meets the intersection taxiway and
has gotten airborne before getting to the runway. He's the airport manager
there so I guess he can do that =3Bo)
I would try it at San Geronimo=2C my home base=2C except there is a fence a
nd a windsock on a pole straight ahead of me as I taxi out from my hangar t
o the runway.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
From: Ameet Savant <ameetsavant(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A
Hello everyone,
I was on vacation for a month or so and finally am caught up with the 600 or so
posts on the Pietenpol list. It is truly amazing how active this group is. For
flying low and slow we do seem to post like the fast and furious!
Anyway, like every builder, I am contemplating engine choices for my yet to be
started Pietenpol. I never thought I would consider the Ford Model A mainly because
I am not that much of a purist. However, when opportunity knocks, who am
I to ignore?
I ran into the local Model A club member (while getting my car windshield replaced-
whole other story) and he has a 1928 Model A engine block that he is willing
to part for free. Given my gross ignorance about all things engines (we all
have to start somewhere), I have no recourse but to ask the good folks of this
list-- Is this something I should acquire and decide later if I am going to
use it or not? Is there a particular model year that is better suited for flight?
The condition of the engine is unknown, but hey the price is just right!
Your help is much appreciated!
Ameet Savant
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ANY BUILDERS NEAR PENSACOLA?
From: "jimcarriere" <jimcarriere(at)yahoo.com>
[quote="Jerry Dotson"]I am wanting to start a Pietenpol soon. Any builders or owners
near Pensacola, FL?? I would buy a project if near me and all spruce and
MIL-SPEC plywood. I am going with Continental power. Probably an O-200. What
about 3 piece wing versus 1 piece? I have room to build either way.
Jerry Dotson[/quote]
Jerry, I live in Navarre. I'm a Piet fan but not a Piet builder; I'm halfway done
building a Kitfox (and 90% to go... life got in the way for the last couple
years). I go to the EAA chapter in Crestview (108) and while there are no Piets
in that chapter there are a handful of fabric covered airplanes and lots
of smart and friendly people. I don't know much about the EAA chapter in Pensacola
(485) other than they have lots of good people too.
Something good to know in this area, if you order something from Aircraft Spruce
in Atlanta then UPS Ground shipping usually shows up the next day. That's just
dumb good luck.
Good luck!
-Jim
--------
Jim in NW FL
Kitfox Series 7 in progress
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245071#245071
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
From: "Chet's Mail" <Chethartley1(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Model A
Ameet,
The Ford engine is a good engine for the piet, the only thing I would do
different is to install a counter balanced crank shaft. You can buy one or
have yours balanced.
Chet Hartley 920Y
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ameet Savant" <ameetsavant(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 12:19 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I was on vacation for a month or so and finally am caught up with the 600
> or so posts on the Pietenpol list. It is truly amazing how active this
> group is. For flying low and slow we do seem to post like the fast and
> furious!
>
> Anyway, like every builder, I am contemplating engine choices for my yet
> to be started Pietenpol. I never thought I would consider the Ford Model A
> mainly because I am not that much of a purist. However, when opportunity
> knocks, who am I to ignore?
>
> I ran into the local Model A club member (while getting my car windshield
> replaced- whole other story) and he has a 1928 Model A engine block that
> he is willing to part for free. Given my gross ignorance about all things
> engines (we all have to start somewhere), I have no recourse but to ask
> the good folks of this list-- Is this something I should acquire and
> decide later if I am going to use it or not? Is there a particular model
> year that is better suited for flight? The condition of the engine is
> unknown, but hey the price is just right!
>
> Your help is much appreciated!
>
> Ameet Savant
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: three tenths flight time
Doesn't sound like much=2C but it sure was a great flight. We had a heavy
passing thunderstorm today so I was inside the hangar most of the afternoon
but when it got done raining=2C there wasn't much wind and I knew I'd have
to go fly. It is so nice to fly in an open cockpit in conditions like the
se: cool=2C clean air=2C everything fresh from a rain=2C and the airplane f
lies strong and smooth. The smells are richer and the colors of everything
seem brighter and more true. So I didn't fly for long but I didn't have t
o- it was enough. My three landings were all nearly perfect=2C a little st
anding water splashing the tires=2C then we were home.
This is what Mr. Pietenpol must have had in his mind when he first set out
to design the Air Camper more than 80 years ago=2C and why he kept after it
when the first few versions didn't quite match the picture he had in his m
ind. Minimal preflight=2C minimal fuss and planning=2C and you're out flyi
ng. No charts=2C no radios=2C no gadgets=2C nothing. I used my canvas fly
ing helmet and goggles=2C didn't even bother with the other helmet with hea
ring protectors because when I use the plain canvas=2C I can hear the wind
in the wires when I pull off the power for landing. This is Piet flying.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: three tenths flight time
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Aman-Oscar. I have been flying Pietenpols for well over 40 some odd years You have
said it all. I have never ever missed flying a Piet to the annual Brodhead
fly-in. This is also my 80Th also . I have known the greats, most have signed
my logs and you guys are carrying the torch, and with all the great comments
I read, keep It up, see you at Brodhead.
Pieti Lowell
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________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
From: "ALAN LYSCARS" <alyscars(at)myfairpoint.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Model A
Ameet..
Possession is always 100% of a resource's value. Take it and use it later,
trade or sell it later, or scrap it later. Just plain Yankee attitude!
Al in New Hampshire
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ameet Savant" <ameetsavant(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:19 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A
> I ran into the local Model A club member (while getting my car windshield
> replaced- whole other story) and he has a 1928 Model A engine block that
> he is willing to part for free.
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
From: jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model A
hello there I think we have the same dilema and allso you trate to have cor
vier engines is aluminium blok and aircooler you foun those in yunk yard fo
r less 100 each i trate to heve one or ford modelA too , but people flu in
ford model powered piet and fly in other engine realised is beter A65 or co
rvier I personaly fly in piet whit A65- my whit is 186 my frien is 178lbs
so we have past the limit and fly exelent i hope these help you- cincere
ly jorge lizarraga
--- On Sat, 5/23/09, Ameet Savant wrote:
From: Ameet Savant <ameetsavant(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A
Hello everyone,
I was on vacation for a month or so and finally am caught up with the 600 o
r so posts on the Pietenpol list. It is truly amazing how active this group
is. For flying low and slow we do seem to post like the fast and furious!
Anyway, like every builder, I am contemplating engine choices for my yet to
be started Pietenpol. I never thought I would consider the Ford Model A ma
inly because I am not that much of a purist. However, when opportunity knoc
ks, who am I to ignore?
I ran into the local Model A club member (while getting my car windshield r
eplaced- whole other story) and he has a 1928 Model A engine block that he
is willing to part for free. Given my gross ignorance about all things engi
nes (we all have to start somewhere), I have no recourse but to ask the goo
d folks of this list-- Is this something I should acquire and decide later
if I am going to use it or not? Is there a particular model year that is be
tter suited for flight? The condition of the engine is unknown, but hey the
price is just right!
Your help is much appreciated!
Ameet Savant
- - -
le, List Admin.
=0A=0A=0A
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
From: jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: california
hello to florida Im build a piet here and is my fuselaje almost done and tr
ate to build 3 pises wing like old timer is best because you can disamble f
or transport to another location, and is the 0-200 engine is tomouch powere
d and stres for the fuselaje is disagned for no more that 120mph. so more p
ower?? well you welcome to piet builders you found these proyect enyoable a
nd funn to have .seyou jorge
--- On Sat, 5/23/09, jimcarriere wrote:
From: jimcarriere <jimcarriere(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ANY BUILDERS NEAR PENSACOLA?
[quote="Jerry Dotson"]I am wanting to start a Pietenpol soon. Any builder
s or owners near Pensacola, FL?? I would buy a project if near me and all s
pruce and MIL-SPEC plywood. I am going with Continental power. Probably an
O-200. What about 3 piece wing versus 1 piece? I have room to build either
way.
Jerry Dotson[/quote]
Jerry, I live in Navarre.- I'm a Piet fan but not a Piet builder; I'm hal
fway done building a Kitfox (and 90% to go... life got in the way for the l
ast couple years).- I go to the EAA chapter in Crestview (108) and while
there are no Piets in that chapter there are a handful of fabric covered ai
rplanes and lots of smart and friendly people.- I don't know much about t
he EAA chapter in Pensacola (485) other than they have lots of good people
too.
Something good to know in this area, if you order something from Aircraft S
pruce in Atlanta then UPS Ground shipping usually shows up the next day.-
That's just dumb good luck.
Good luck!
-Jim
--------
Jim in NW FL
Kitfox Series 7 in progress
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245071#245071
le, List Admin.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | How do you wrap bungee cord? |
Hi Dan,
Congratulations! You figured it out! It takes two people ' at least,
I=92ve
never been able to get it done satisfactorily by myself. As for
securing
the ends together, I use nylon tie wraps as a temporary method while
I=92m
wrestling with the bungee cords. Use a Panduit cable-Tie gun to make
the
job easier (I bought mine on ebay for $10) ' you just squeeze the
trigger
and the cable tie is tensioned correctly and then cut off automatically.
By
the way, I use 5/8=94 bungees on my Piet. I know Mike Cuy uses =BD=94,
but his
plane weighs 100 lbs less than mine and I find that I get too much sag
with
=BD=94. Mike also uses only the cable ties (I believe) to secure his
bungees.
I find the cable ties will eventually work loose, so once I have the
bungees
in place, I go back and secure them with .041=94 stainless steel safety
wire.
I find on mine that the 5/8=94 cords are just about right when there is
about
a =BD=94 gap between the axle and the =93V-Blocks=94. Taxiing over
rough ground
that gap will open and close about =BD=94 either way.
Changing bungee cords is probably my second least favorite task on this
airplane ' right behind bleeding the brakes.
Hope to see yours at Brodhead and Oshkosh this summer.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
May 08, 2009 - May 25, 2009
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