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July 07, 2009 - July 22, 2009



      
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Date: Jul 07, 2009
Subject: Re: Rib construction photos
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Hey Ken, This might have been covered previously, so my apologies if so... where'd you get the 612 rib plans? I don't trust that I drew mine structurally sound as it simply copied the pattern from the piet rib and made the parts bigger to fit the outline of the 612... Looks like yours has some different geometry. Nice jig BTW... Mark On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Ken Howe <ken@cooper-mtn.com> wrote: > > Yes, I've laid out my spars perpendicular to the chord line. I looked at > setting them relative to a base line drawn tangent to the lowest points fore > and aft, but it's only a couple degrees difference if you look at the > drawing the Mark posted. I'll adjust the strut lengths to set the angle of > incidence. > > --Ken > > > Kip and Beth Gardner wrote: > >> kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> >> >> Ken, >> >> Nice pictures of your rib setup. >> >> Your comments raised one question about the Riblett airfoil that I had not >> yet been able to ask that maybe you or Mr. Lowell could address. >> >> Mark Roberts mentioned a related issue in one of his posts. >> >> I see that you are setting your ribs relative to the chord line. This >> makes sense to me - if I understand things correctly, this sets the ribs at >> zero incidence relative to the spars, ands any change in incidence would >> then be set by adjusting the struts. Are you also then setting your spars >> at 90 degrees to the chord line? Again, I assume you would because that >> would make the most sense. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Kip Gardner >> >> >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:56 AM, Ken Howe wrote: >> >> As promised, here's a few pictures of my rib building. First of all, I >>> decided not use use staples or nails for gluing the gussets. Instead I'm >>> simply using a steel weight to apply the minimum pressure that System Three >>> says to use with T-88. The weights came from a local scrap yard - old bolts >>> and sawed up chunks of a 1 3/16" rod. I ran then over a 50 grit belt on my >>> sander to get rid of the rust and make a reasonably flat surface. To prevent >>> permanently gluing blocks of steel to my ribs I cut 3" squares of 4 mil poly >>> to place over each gusset. The epoxy is slippery enough that I just tugged >>> this way and that on the weighted piece of poly until the gusset was just >>> where I wanted it. >>> >>> The final two shots are my approach to blocking at the trailing edge and >>> around the front spar. As mentioned on the 'can of worms' thread, the >>> Riblett section is thicker than the original Piet section. I've decided size >>> the spars per the plans and use spacer's for the difference. The rear spar >>> sits directly on the bottom capstrip, and there's a small space between the >>> top of the spar and the upper strip. The airfoil section at the front spar >>> location is significantly thicker on the Riblett, and most of the extra is >>> below the chord line. I've sized a block to fit under the spar. There will >>> be just a small triangular space above the spar. I'll fill above both spars >>> with wedges when I fit the ribs on to the spars. These pictures were taken >>> with the first side glued up and the rib flipped over and sitting in a >>> simple jig to hold it securely for gluing the second side. I've also >>> inserted a wedge at the trailing edge to make that a secure joint. >>> >>> --Ken<1st Rib-0003-20090705.jpg><1st Rib-0005-20090705.jpg><1st >>> Rib-0006-20090705.jpg><1st Rib-0008-20090706.jpg><1st Rib-0009-20090706.jpg> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: A Little Off Topic
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 07, 2009
Does anyone's field look like this anymore (see pic - July 1955 Experimenter)? Just wondering... ours doesn't. Our local EAA chapter used to have a bar and everything... I've seen some of the old pictures... they used to unwind just fine in days past. Now the bar is stashed in the far corner of the hanger with boxes piled all over it and the liquor cabinet has been reduced to the back of a small kitchen cabinet, which is probably several years old. I'm proud to say that our chapter isn't just a social club... there are a lot of intelligent and experienced guys there and they are all very friendly. Many projects are being worked on and talked about, so I can understand that maybe we as builders, pilots, etc., are just focused on the task. I'm not trying to promote irresponsibility, but is it taboo nowadays? Just gone are the days? I went to our picnic on the field several weeks ago and strolled up with my frosty mug (I keep a cold keg on tap in the hangar)... I felt a little out of place as no one else had a cold can or bottle on a beautiful sunny day. I was a little surprised. Is it out of place today? I didn't get any dirty looks or rude comments or anything... but I'll probably ask a couple of club members if that stuff is out of sorts or what? What happened? Just wondering how it is elsewhere. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251954#251954 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/experimenter_185.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A Little Off Topic
From: "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 07, 2009
Are you coming to Brodhead? I'll save a cold Liney Bock for you. -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251961#251961 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A Little Off Topic
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 07, 2009
Ha ha! Yes, I am making my first trip to Brodhead this year. I'll be looking for you Mike. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251962#251962 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New builder: An Introduction
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 07, 2009
Amsafetyc wrote: > Did you say beer? > > John > --- > > > K5YAC says > > and hamburgers! -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251964#251964 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 07, 2009
Subject: Re: New builder: An Introduction
Why will her clothes fly off? mine don't fly off when I am up there. Definitely not worth archiving John **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 07, 2009
Subject: Re: A Little Off Topic
You got no negative comments form me, the frosty cold was the best. Thanks again John **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: motor mounts
Date: Jul 07, 2009
Ed and Hans: I agree that the tabs are only useful in compression, but what has been troubling me is that I had planned on using a 1/8 inch sheet of Fiberfrax insulation behind my SS firewall. The fiberfarax is probably somewhat compressible, so my thinking was that I would not get any advantage from the tabs in compression. I have also beefed up the mounts going from the plans 0.075" to 0.09". My original worry was that if the tabs were not welded, a hard landing could cause the tabs to bend and put undue strain on the cross bolts. It seems to me that the thinner gage mounts with the tabs held by wood screws, as on the original plans, would be weaker than heaver mounts with non welded tabs. Rick Schreiber ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed G. Sent: 7/7/2009 11:15:07 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: motor mounts I can't believe the time I spent on those lower mounts. I think I ended up making them three times. The tabs are there to help support the weight of the motor without putting all that shear/shock load on the bolts against the wood so the tabs are a good thing. I origionally welded the tabs together because I didn't want to drill all those screw holes in that area but got so much weld shrinkage that they wouldn't fit over the fuselage without grinding away a bunch of wood which I didn't want to do. So I made the next set one gauge heavier and longer to get an extra bolt through the longeron and bent the tabs but didn't put screws in them. Then there wasn't enough room to get sheet metal firewall material between the motor mount and the bracket so I made another set with 1/4" longer motor mount tabs. I'm not saying my way is the best way I'm just trying to point out some of the pitfalls to look out for and maybe save you some time. Ed G. From: lmforge(at)earthlink.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: motor mounts Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:47:15 -0500 I have a question about the lower motor mount fittings that are bolted to the lower fuselage longerons. On the original plans, Bernard shows two small tabs that are bent at right angles to the fitting. These are the tabs that rest against the firewall. My question is how necessary are they structurally? I have some photos of finished Piets where they are not there, some where the tabs are there, but butt welded instead of screwed into the longeron as Bernard shows. If the upper tab is screwed in place. it will interfere with the upper cross bolt. The lower tab screw will be very close to the bottom of the longeron. On the original plans, Bernard must have used wood screws to attach the tabs. It appears that on the original, these tabs did not add anything structurally, but actually weakened the structure. I realize that welding the left and right halves of the lower fittings together at the tabs would be better, but is it really necessary? I have attached a drawing showing the fiiting. Thanks, Rick Schreiber Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC thats right for you. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A Little Off Topic
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 07, 2009
Nope, no complaints from you, John. When are you coming back to the Port of Catoosa? Jim Markle says he is planning to make our meeting on the 20th. Any chance you'll be in town? -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251973#251973 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: motor mounts
Date: Jul 07, 2009
From: hvandervoo(at)aol.com
Rick, The tabs will need to go under the Stainless firewall and the Fiberfrax, that's how I did it. The plans do not call for a Stainless =C2-firewall as there simply was no FAA requirement back then. I would make the fitting 1/4" longer, from the tab forward, to compensate for the Stainless firewall and the Fiberfrax Regards Hans van der Voort Pietenpol NX14KV -----Original Message----- From: Richard Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2009 12:10 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: motor mounts Ed and Hans: =C2- I agree that the tabs are only useful in compression, but what has been tr oubling me is that I had planned on using a 1/8 inch sheet of Fiberfrax in sulation behind my SS firewall. The fiberfarax is probably somewhat compre ssible, so my thinking was that I would not get any advantage from the tab s in compression. I have also beefed up the mounts going from the plans 0. 075" to 0.09". =C2- My original worry was that if the tabs were not welded, a hard landing cou ld cause the tabs to bend and put undue strain on the cross bolts. It seem s to me that the thinner gage mounts with the tabs held by wood screws, as on the original plans, would be weaker than heaver mounts with non welded tabs. =C2- Rick Schreiber =C2- =C2- ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed G. Sent: 7/7/2009 11:15:07 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: motor mounts I can't believe the time I spent on those lower mounts. I think I ended up making them thr ee times. The tabs are there to help support the weight of the motor witho ut putting all that shear/shock load on the bolts against the wood so the tabs are a good thing. I origionally welded the tabs together because I didn't want to drill all those screw holes in that area but got so much weld shrinkage that they wouldn't fit over the fuselage without grinding away a bunch of wood which I didn't want to do. So I made the next set on e gauge heavier and longer to get an extra bolt through the longeron and bent the tabs but didn't put screws in them. Then there wasn't enough roo m to get=C2-sheet metal firewall material between the motor mount and th e bracket so I made another set with 1/4" longer motor mount tabs. I'm not saying my way is the best way I'm just trying to point out some of the pi tfalls to look out for and maybe save you some time.=C2- Ed G. =C2- From: lmforge(at)earthlink.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: motor mounts Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:47:15 -0500 I have a question about the lower motor mount fittings that are bolted to the lower fuselage longerons. On the original plans, Bernard shows two sm all tabs that are bent at right angles to the fitting. These are the tabs that rest against the firewall. My question is how necessary are they str ucturally? I have some photos of finished Piets where they are not there, some where the tabs are there, but butt welde d instead of screwed into the longeron as Bernard shows. =C2- If the upper tab is screwed in place. it will interfere with the upper cro ss bolt. The lower tab screw will be very close to the bottom of the longe ron. On the original plans, Bernard must have used wood screws to attach the tabs. It appears that on the original, these tabs did not add anythin g structurally, but actually weakened the structure. I realize that weldin g the left and right halves of the lower fittings together at the tabs wou ld be better, but is it really necessary? =C2- I have attached a drawing showing the fiiting. =C2- Thanks, =C2- Rick Schreiber =C2- =C2- Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that=99s right for you. ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forum s.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: motor mounts
Date: Jul 07, 2009
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Rick, If a hard landing will cause the tabs to bend, you've got bigger worries to concern yourself with. Namely, that the cross bolts thru your longerons have either broken or elongated the holes in the wood, allowing the brackets to move relative to the wood. Additionally, if the tabs bend before the wood crushes, I'll be amazed. It will take a considerable force to un-bend a short little tab like that. I don't think there's any real need to use the wood screws (useless) or to weld the tabs together (not necessary). 99.4% of the time, the plane will be at rest, on the ground. The other 0.6% of the time, the plane will be flying. When the plane is flying, the forces acting on the brackets will be pulling it forward, and the tabs will be of no real use. When the plane is sitting on the ground, the weight of the engine (gravity) will cause the upper mounts to be pulled forward, and the bottom mounts to be pushed backwards - this is where the tabs will provide a bit of resistance against the wood, and relieve a bit of the load on the lower bolts. By beefing up the thickness of the mounts, you have made them 20% stronger (and 20% heavier). Bill C. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:10 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: motor mounts Ed and Hans: I agree that the tabs are only useful in compression, but what has been troubling me is that I had planned on using a 1/8 inch sheet of Fiberfrax insulation behind my SS firewall. The fiberfarax is probably somewhat compressible, so my thinking was that I would not get any advantage from the tabs in compression. I have also beefed up the mounts going from the plans 0.075" to 0.09". My original worry was that if the tabs were not welded, a hard landing could cause the tabs to bend and put undue strain on the cross bolts. It seems to me that the thinner gage mounts with the tabs held by wood screws, as on the original plans, would be weaker than heaver mounts with non welded tabs. Rick Schreiber ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: T-88
From: "jimd" <jlducey(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 07, 2009
I got mine from Jamestown as well. The T-88 works well with System 3's Clear Coat epoxy, might try it if you get a chance. I was reading a manual on putting together an Acroduster and it had a whole section on T-88/Clear Coat, and I used it on all my glue surfaces and the wood leading edge, its very nice. Their was someone selling it 3 liters for $99, it mixes 2 to 1 unlike the 50/50 mix of T-88, but I believe the $99 package would be enough to do all your wood. It is very easy to tell where you have been with it, which was not the case with some of the other varnish products I tried. Like Minwax Polycrylic ,it dries and protects the wood, but it can be really hard to tell what has been covered and what has not, especially on second or third coats. jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251983#251983 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 07, 2009
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: A Little Off Topic
A cold beer? I'll be there! At least I HOPE so! John's right, sometimes my schedule works out, sometimes it doesn't. This working for a living sure can get in the way of what's REALLY important! and wife, kids, farm, tractor(s), etc, etc, etc....... :-) They just booked my flight for the Brodhead weekend so at least "Saturday at Brodhead" will happen for me! I can hardly wait. Jim "beer me" Markle -----Original Message----- >From: K5YAC <hangar10(at)cox.net> >Sent: Jul 7, 2009 1:02 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Little Off Topic > > >Nope, no complaints from you, John. > >When are you coming back to the Port of Catoosa? Jim Markle says he is planning to make our meeting on the 20th. Any chance you'll be in town? > >-------- >Mark - working on wings > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251973#251973 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: T-88
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Date: Jul 07, 2009
I buy it at Woodcraft when I run out and don't feel like waiting for an order to arrive. Don't know if you have those where you are. Costs about the same as Aircraft Spruce with the added shipping. -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251993#251993 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net>
Subject: couple more Brodhead pics
Date: Jul 07, 2009
On Ju l 7, 2009, at 12:14 AM, Mike Simmons wrote: > > > > I am planning to make it to my first Brodhead reunion fairly late > Friday night/Sat. morning. From searching the archives, sounds like > it's OK to just find a spot to pitch your tent amongst the others > and find the bucket for a donation. Is this still true? Is there any > insight as to where to park or are the instructions pretty clear > once you get there? Any advice on what to do from some of those > reunion veterans out there would be much appreciated > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brodhead camping - reunion newbe
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 07, 2009
It'd be nice if the Pietenpol Fly-in drew that many planes, but it doesn't. I think that shot is of the GrassRoots Fly-in held in September. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252000#252000 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: couple more Brodhead pics
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 07, 2009
Now that looks more like it! Those even look like Pietenpols down there. Nice pics! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252001#252001 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Plywoods
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Date: Jul 07, 2009
For New Englanders, Boulter also has aircraft grade mil spec ply and a basement full of Sitka Spruce planks that you can have them grade (yes, they know the specs for aircraft grading, I quizzed him) and you get it a little cheaper if you want to dig through the piles and select your own pieces. They are a small storefront but seem to have a lot of interconnected buildings and basements in Somerville, MA, just outside of Boston. I have purchased both 1/8" Finnish Birch and Okume from them and they are very reasonable. ...although I will probably buy spars from Aircraft Spruce :( or Wicks. -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252002#252002 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Looking for someone.
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Date: Jul 07, 2009
That is definitely Walt Evans' Piet. Got my first Piet ride in that plane and will never forget it. It's a work of art. -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252003#252003 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: motor mounts
Date: Jul 07, 2009
Bill, Ed and Hans: Thanks for the replies. I plan on putting the tabs in, with no screws or welding. Hans that is a good idea about just putting the tabs against the wood firewall with the fiberfrax and stainless firewall on top. I just spent the last 3 hours laying out, cutting and drilling the 4 top motor mounts. Why is it that such a few small fittings always seems to take much longer to make than you expect.! Its a nice day here in NW Indiana. I'm going to the airport and shoot some landings and then drink a couple of cold ones with the rest of the hanger rats. Thanks again for the help. I'm sure its saved me a lot of grief. Rick Schreiber ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Church Sent: 7/7/2009 1:43:45 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: motor mounts Rick, If a hard landing will cause the tabs to bend, you've got bigger worries to concern yourself with. Namely, that the cross bolts thru your longerons have either broken or elongated the holes in the wood, allowing the brackets to move relative to the wood. Additionally, if the tabs bend before the wood crushes, I'll be amazed. It will take a considerable force to un-bend a short little tab like that. I don't think there's any real need to use the wood screws (useless) or to weld the tabs together (not necessary). 99.4% of the time, the plane will be at rest, on the ground. The other 0.6% of the time, the plane will be flying. When the plane is flying, the forces acting on the brackets will be pulling it forward, and the tabs will be of no real use. When the plane is sitting on the ground, the weight of the engine (gravity) will cause the upper mounts to be pulled forward, and the bottom mounts to be pushed backwards - this is where the tabs will provide a bit of resistance against the wood, and relieve a bit of the load on the lower bolts. By beefing up the thickness of the mounts, you have made them 20% stronger (and 20% heavier). Bill C. From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:10 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: motor mounts Ed and Hans: I agree that the tabs are only useful in compression, but what has been troubling me is that I had planned on using a 1/8 inch sheet of Fiberfrax insulation behind my SS firewall. The fiberfarax is probably somewhat compressible, so my thinking was that I would not get any advantage from the tabs in compression. I have also beefed up the mounts going from the plans 0.075" to 0.09". My original worry was that if the tabs were not welded, a hard landing could cause the tabs to bend and put undue strain on the cross bolts. It seems to me that the thinner gage mounts with the tabs held by wood screws, as on the original plans, would be weaker than heaver mounts with non welded tabs. Rick Schreiber ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Czech Piet
From: "Baldeagle" <baldeagle27(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 07, 2009
http://hobby.idnes.cz/ultralight-se-da-postavit-i-v-podkrovi-domku-potrebujete-pul-milionu-a-6-let-1br-/hobby-dilna.asp?c-90608_205735_hobby-dilna_bma - Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252019#252019 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Terry Williams <7ecapilot(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: AIrfoil can of worms?
Date: Jul 07, 2009
Someone should record it. tw On Jul 5, 2009, at 5:54 AM, johnwoods(at)westnet.com.au wrote: > ... > I wish I could be at Brodhead to hear Mr Pieti Lowell's forum on > the 612's performance. > ... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Brodhead visit - help camping??
Date: Jul 07, 2009
If someone could please find out the fuel situation at Brodhead and post it to the list, that would be helpful - it will make some difference to me, as to whether I stop at Poplar Grove for fuel before landing at Brodhead. Last year I went to Monroe for fuel. Not too bad and not too far away, but it is much simpler if they have fuel at Brodhead. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick N. Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:44 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead visit - help camping?? Thanks for bringing that up, Ryan. I don't know anything current about fuel at Brodhead. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 6:43 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead visit - help camping?? > > Dick, > > You mentioned planes making fuel stops on the way to OSH; do we know for > sure that there is or will be fuel this year at Brodhead? I ask because > the last I heard was from a friend that volunteered at the pancake > breakfast towards the latter part of May, and he made a comment in an > email about trying to do Young Eagles at the event with no fuel on the > field. The last mention on the 431 website was of fencing being installed > in May that brings things closer to operational status, but no mention of > when or if they will actually be back up. I know that was over a month > ago, but it may be worth confirming if they will actually have the new > tanks running in time. Anyone else know any more current news? > > Ryan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 6, 2009, at 9:29 PM, "Dick N." wrote: > >> > >> >> Reply for Lorin and Steve Sadler >> There is camping on the field at Brodhead. There is plenty of camping >> space. No electrical hookups or waste dumps. There are are showers >> available and some food service. The walk into town is short to >> McDonalds, Subway and other places. There is a grocery store and >> hardware store in town. Brodhead is a very small town and the airport >> is to the south of the main hwy just west of the McDonalds. This is an >> informal event, they sell buttons, $5, to help with expenses. There is >> also a Hatz bi plane flying on the other end of the field. Also there >> are some mighty nice planes making fuel stops on the way to OSH. >> Dick N. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com> >> To: >> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 1:08 PM >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead visit - help camping?? >> >> >>> > >>> >>> Folks, >>> I'm heading to Brodhead this year for the first time. I've volunteered >>> to help haul camping gear and fuel to Oshkosh for those flying over to >>> Oshkosh en-mass. I'll be bringing up my enclosed 16' toy hauler for >>> this. >>> Question for you - where is a good place to camp at nearby where I can >>> grab a shower? I don't want to be too far away as loading the trailer >>> would otherwise be painful. >>> >>> Lorin Miller >>> >>> lorin.miller(at)emerson.com >>> 641-485-0840 >>> Sonex/Waiex ~80% done >>> Piet next up >>> Colo, Iowa >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251803#251803 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: motor mounts
Date: Jul 07, 2009
There's no requirement now for a stainless steel firewall. Mine is galvanized iron. Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of hvandervoo(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: motor mounts Rick, The tabs will need to go under the Stainless firewall and the Fiberfrax, that's how I did it. The plans do not call for a Stainless firewall as there simply was no FAA requirement back then. I would make the fitting 1/4" longer, from the tab forward, to compensate for the Stainless firewall and the Fiberfrax Regards Hans van der Voort Pietenpol NX14KV -----Original Message----- From: Richard Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2009 12:10 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: motor mounts Ed and Hans: I agree that the tabs are only useful in compression, but what has been troubling me is that I had planned on using a 1/8 inch sheet of Fiberfrax insulation behind my SS firewall. The fiberfarax is probably somewhat compressible, so my thinking was that I would not get any advantage from the tabs in compression. I have also beefed up the mounts going from the plans 0.075" to 0.09". My original worry was that if the tabs were not welded, a hard landing could cause the tabs to bend and put undue strain on the cross bolts. It seems to me that the thinner gage mounts wit h the tabs held by wood screws, as on the original plans, would be weaker than heaver mounts with non welded tabs. Rick Schreiber ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed G. <mailto:flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com> Sent: 7/7/2009 11:15:07 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: motor mounts I can't believe the time I spent on those lower mounts. I think I ended up making them three times. The tabs are there to help support the weight of the motor without putting all that shear/shock load on the bolts against the wood so the tabs are a good thing. I origionally welded the tabs together because I didn't want to drill all those screw holes in that area but got so much weld shrinkage that they wouldn't fit over the fuselage without grinding away a bunch of wood which I didn't want to do. So I made the next set one gauge heavier and longer to get an extra bolt through the longeron and bent the tabs but didn't put screws in them. Then there wasn't enough room to get sheet metal firewall material between the motor mount and the bracket so I made another set with 1/4" longer motor mount tabs. I'm not saying my way is the best way I'm just trying to point out some of the pitfalls to look out for and maybe save you some time. Ed G. _____ From: lmforge(at)earthlink.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: motor mounts Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:47:15 -0500 I have a question about the lower motor mount fittings that are bolted to the lower fuselage longerons. On the original plans, Bernard shows two small tabs that are bent at right angles to the fitting. These are the tabs that rest against the firewall. My question is how necessary are they structurally? I have some photos of finished Piets where they are not there, some where the tabs are there, but butt welded instead of screwed into the longeron as Bernard shows. If the upper tab is screwed in place. it will interfere with the upper cross bolt. The lower tab screw will be very close to the bottom of the lo ngeron. On the original plans, Bernard must have used wood screws to attach the tabs. It appears that on the original, these tabs did not add anything structurally, but actually weakened the structure. I realize that welding the left and right halves of the lower fittings together at the tabs would be better, but is it really necessary? I have attached a drawing showing the fiiting. Thanks, Rick Schreiber _____ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that <http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290> 's right for you. =================================== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ======================== tp://forums.matronics.com =================================== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== _____ Stay cool with this summer's hottest movies. Moviefone <http://www.moviefone.com/summer-movies?ncid=emlweusmovi00000004> brings you trailers, celebrities, movie showtimes and tickets! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Terry Williams <7ecapilot(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: AIrfoil can of worms?
Date: Jul 07, 2009
Sorry, it has taken me a few days to get through email trail. Did someone record Mr. Lowell's presentation? tw On Jul 7, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Terry Williams wrote: > Someone should record it. > > tw > > On Jul 5, 2009, at 5:54 AM, johnwoods(at)westnet.com.au wrote: > >> ... >> I wish I could be at Brodhead to hear Mr Pieti Lowell's forum on >> the 612's performance. >> ... > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Czech Piet
Date: Jul 07, 2009
That's neat. my Czechoslovak is not to good (heck my English is marginal) but according to this : "historick kopie modelu GN1 Aircamper " we can make out that it is GN1 Michael in Maine where its raining again for a change.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Baldeagle" <baldeagle27(at)earthlink.net> > > http://hobby.idnes.cz/ultralight-se-da-postavit-i-v-podkrovi-domku-potrebujete-pul-milionu-a-6-let-1br-/hobby-dilna.asp?c-90608_205735_hobby-dilna_bma > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "x GOYENI " <goyeni(at)movinet.com.uy>
Subject: Brodhead
Date: Jul 07, 2009
Dan, Wow, what activity in the list !!! Two days and dozens of entries. Santiago talked me about his trip to Brodhead in the Aeronca and the strong impression of the meeting there. I have not even started the construction and hope to find there the inspiration to start soon. See you next Friday 24. Juan GOYENI ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew(at)aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 8:39 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead/AirVenture Juan, Good for you that you are able to attend the Pietenpol gathering this year. We always welcome our South American friends. Last year we had Santiago Morete, from Santa Rosa Argentina with us. He was able to get several rides in Piets and other airplanes as well. Make sure and bring with you a DETAILED list of supplies, hardware, etc. that you need for your project. Virtually anything can be purchased at Oshkosh. Santiago was able to buy hardware, control cable, headsets, seat belts etc. while he was there. I will look forward to meeting you and your son Frederico. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: x GOYENI <goyeni(at)movinet.com.uy> Sent: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 4:56 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead/AirVenture Hello everybody, Finally, I am going to Brodhead with my son Federico. We are arriving at noon on Friday and stay there until Sunday. I look forward to meet members of this list and enjoy the friendship and camaraderie of these events. Then, the entire week at AirVenture. See you there. Juan GOYENI URUGUAY ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 07, 2009
Subject: Re: Czech Piet
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Hey Gary: I know what you mean about the shot of it coming out of the 2nd story window! Heck, I thought it was bad that my garage is smaller than I'd like! I gots it easy! Mark On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Michael Silvius wrote: > > That's neat. > > my Czechoslovak is not to good (heck my English is marginal) but accordin g > to this : > "historick=E9 kopie modelu GN1 Aircamper " we can make out that it is GN1 > > Michael in Maine where its raining again for a change.... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Baldeagle" <baldeagle27(at)earthlink.net> > > > > > > http://hobby.idnes.cz/ultralight-se-da-postavit-i-v-podkrovi-domku-potreb ujete-pul-milionu-a-6-let-1br-/hobby-dilna.asp?c-90608_205735_hobby-dil na_bma > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: airlion(at)bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: Czech Piet
Date: Jul 08, 2009
I just called brodhead airport manager about fuel availability. He said that do not have fuel yet, so plan for it. Gardiner Mason -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> > > Hey Gary: I know what you mean about the shot of it coming out of the 2nd > story window! Heck, I thought it was bad that my garage is smaller than I'd > like! I gots it easy! > > Mark > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Michael Silvius wrote: > > > > > That's neat. > > > > my Czechoslovak is not to good (heck my English is marginal) but according > > to this : > > "historick kopie modelu GN1 Aircamper " we can make out that it is GN1 > > > > Michael in Maine where its raining again for a change.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Baldeagle" <baldeagle27(at)earthlink.net> > > > > > > > > > > > http://hobby.idnes.cz/ultralight-se-da-postavit-i-v-podkrovi-domku-potrebujete-p > ul-milionu-a-6-let-1br-/hobby-dilna.asp?c-90608_205735_hobby-dilna_bma > > > > > > > > > > =========== > =========== > =========== > =========== > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Brodhead
Date: Jul 07, 2009
Juan, You'll find a world of helpful, friendly people at Brodhead. We always open our arms and our hearts to international visitors and look forward to meeting you there. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, North Carolina -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of x GOYENI Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Dan, Wow, what activity in the list !!! Two days and dozens of entries. Santiago talked me about his trip to Brodhead in the Aeronca and the strong impression of the meeting there. I have not even started the construction and hope to find there the inspiration to start soon. See you next Friday 24. Juan GOYENI ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew(at)aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 8:39 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead/AirVenture Juan, Good for you that you are able to attend the Pietenpol gathering this year. We always welcome our South American friends. Last year we had Santiago Morete, from Santa Rosa Argentina with us. He was able to get several rides in Piets and other airplanes as well. Make sure and bring with you a DETAILED list of supplies, hardware, etc. that you need for your project. Virtually anything can be purchased at Oshkosh. Santiago was able to buy hardware, control cable, headsets, seat belts etc. while he was there. I will look forward to meeting you and your son Frederico. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: x GOYENI <goyeni(at)movinet.com.uy> Sent: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 4:56 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead/AirVenture Hello everybody, Finally, I am going to Brodhead with my son Federico. We are arriving at noon on Friday and stay there until Sunday. I look forward to meet members of this list and enjoy the friendship and camaraderie of these events. Then, the entire week at AirVenture. See you there. Juan GOYENI URUGUAY ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: motor mounts
Date: Jul 07, 2009
I'm using stainless since I have access to a free supply :>) Rick Schreiber ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: 7/7/2009 6:06:44 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: motor mounts Theres no requirement now for a stainless steel firewall. Mine is galvanized iron. Jack Phillips NX899JP From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of hvandervoo(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: motor mounts Rick, The tabs will need to go under the Stainless firewall and the Fiberfrax, that's how I did it. The plans do not call for a Stainless firewall as there simply was no FAA requirement back then. I would make the fitting 1/4" longer, from the tab forward, to compensate for the Stainless firewall and the Fiberfrax Regards Hans van der Voort Pietenpol NX14KV -----Original Message----- From: Richard Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2009 12:10 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: motor mounts Ed and Hans: I agree that the tabs are only useful in compression, but what has been troubling me is that I had planned on using a 1/8 inch sheet of Fiberfrax insulation behind my SS firewall. The fiberfarax is probably somewhat compressible, so my thinking was that I would not get any advantage from the tabs in compression. I have also beefed up the mounts going from the plans 0.075" to 0.09". My original worry was that if the tabs were not welded, a hard landing could cause the tabs to bend and put undue strain on the cross bolts. It seems to me that the thinner gage mounts wit h the tabs held by wood screws, as on the original plans, would be weaker than heaver mounts with non welded tabs. Rick Schreiber ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed G. Sent: 7/7/2009 11:15:07 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: motor mounts I can't believe the time I spent on those lower mounts. I think I ended up making them three times. The tabs are there to help support the weight of the motor without putting all that shear/shock load on the bolts against the wood so the tabs are a good thing. I origionally welded the tabs together because I didn't want to drill all those screw holes in that area but got so much weld shrinkage that they wouldn't fit over the fuselage without grinding away a bunch of wood which I didn't want to do. So I made the next set one gauge heavier and longer to get an extra bolt through the longeron and bent the tabs but didn't put screws in them. Then there wasn't enough room to get sheet metal firewall material between the motor mount and the bracket so I made another set with 1/4" longer motor mount tabs. I'm not saying my way is the best way I'm just trying to point out some of the pitfalls to look out for and maybe save you some time. Ed G. From: lmforge(at)earthlink.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: motor mounts Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:47:15 -0500 I have a question about the lower motor mount fittings that are bolted to the lower fuselage longerons. On the original plans, Bernard shows two small tabs that are bent at right angles to the fitting. These are the tabs that rest against the firewall. My question is how necessary are they structurally? I have some photos of finished Piets where they are not there, some where the tabs are there, but butt welded instead of screwed into the longeron as Bernard shows. If the upper tab is screwed in place. it will interfere with the upper cross bolt. The lower tab screw will be very close to the bottom of the lo ngeron. On the original plans, Bernard must have used wood screws to attach the tabs. It appears that on the original, these tabs did not add anything structurally, but actually weakened the structure. I realize that welding the left and right halves of the lower fittings together at the tabs would be better, but is it really necessary? I have attached a drawing showing the fiiting. Thanks, Rick Schreiber Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC thats right for you. =================================== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ======================== tp://forums.matronics.com =================================== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== Stay cool with this summer's hottest movies. Moviefone brings you trailers, celebrities, movie showtimes and tickets! http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 07, 2009
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Brodhead Pietenpol Gathering
NX92GB, has 6 inch azzuza wheels, and I think they are 3/4 axles, but not sure. They are the standard 6 inch Azzua's so what ever axle they use thats what we have. We have over 300 landings (a wild ass guess) and Knock ..knock, no problems so far. I know I have made some less than perfect landings, and ploped her on a few times, and not broke the axles. They are a fairly thick wall thickness compared to cleveland style axles, I am guessing .090-.125 wall thickness. Hope this helps! Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Stainless firewall
Date: Jul 08, 2009
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
If there was a full-blown fire, lets say as a result of a big fuel leak, how much extra time do you all think would be afforded by the firewall? I put mine in .016 stainless, but in my mind I am thinking if I ever see a fire, I am going to point my nose straight for the ground RIGHT NOW because that firewall might give me 15 seconds more life. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Stainless firewall
Date: Jul 08, 2009
absolutely right, but keep in mind that the firewall is also there to keep something like, say, an exhaust leak, from starting a fire or blowing on a gas tank, for those of you with tanks in front of the front seat. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew(at)aol.com<mailto:helspersew(at)aol.com> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 7:09 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stainless firewall If there was a full-blown fire, lets say as a result of a big fuel leak, how much extra time do you all think would be afforded by the firewall? I put mine in .016 stainless, but in my mind I am thinking if I ever see a fire, I am going to point my nose straight for the ground RIGHT NOW because that firewall might give me 15 seconds more life. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Flying to Oshkosh
Date: Jul 08, 2009
Here is some additional info from the EAA website on arrival procedures.
http://www.airventure.org/atc/vfr_basics.html I talked to Joe Norris yesterday and he said that we will be parked near the "Brown Arches" by the main entrance. I don't know if he meant the MAIN main entrance or the main entrance to the flightline. Either way, it will be a high visibility spot so clean the bugs off of your planes and polish the chrome....... Camping will be in the general camping area. Greg Cardinal ________________________________________________________________________________
From: wes.shirl(at)mchsi.com
Subject: Re: Shirts Available
Date: Jul 08, 2009
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From: "Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb(at)charter.net>
Subject: Packing for Broadhead
Date: Jul 08, 2009
I would appreciate any tips out there from those of you who have flown cross country and "packed" for same. I've started trial packing using the front seat and the lap and shoulder harnesses.Looks like it will work, especially avoiding anything that would bind controls. Weight is not an issue but volume of stuff. I suspect there is good advice out there from those of you who have done this before. Besides a minimum of clothes, I'll bring tie downs, a small tent,blanket, sleeping pad, shaving gear, engine oil, camera, money!, cockpit covers to keep my seat dry etc.The important stuff to keep dry I'll put in kayak dry bags. All of it will be bagged. But, some of you have done this before--so--any good tips out there? My route will be around the north end of Lake Michigan and then down the Door Peninsula of Wisconsin to Brodhead, about 375 miles. At the moment I have 27 hours on the plane, landings are getting better and my longest trip thus far has been ~60 miles. I mentioned earliar that my trip is tied to my wife's medical situation. At the moment she is stable and her mom will be coming to stay with her while I'm gone. I can't take the time to go to Oshkosh as well. I have been to Oshkosh with my first plane and have driven to Brodhead twice beore. I am really looking forward to putting faces on the names on e-mails and thanking "you" for your advice and comments in person. Jim Lagowski, NX221PT, just north of Traverse City, Mi. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: AIrfoil can of worms?
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 08, 2009
Corky, I think what Riblett was saying that' 30 % of the 60" cord is 18"' and Little less than 28 % to Max 40 % gives the figures of 16.8 " to 24 ". That is the only way my simple mind figures these things out, but to prove I'm wrong or right or some thing, I installed the Werner 145 , that put the forward CoG to 18 ". and as you may know, I flew that combo for 2 years . With my weight, well over 200 Lbs and sitting on 100 Lbs of steel disks, the CoG was close to 40 " and a lighter engine up front, the Piet also flew . not as well. Would never do tight turns or spins.. The more knowledge Pieters can give better answers when they go over all of Riblett's specs, that he sent me.I think the 15 % figure is a thickness number for a much deeper airfoil, I think the Piet % is close to10.3 %. This is defined in some of Ribletts letters of which I will try to bring to Brodhead. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252232#252232 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2009
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Packing for Broadhead
mosquito repellent ;) -----Original Message----- From: Lagowski Morrow Sent: Jul 8, 2009 9:23 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Packing for Broadhead I would appreciate any tips out there from those of you who have flown cross country and "packed" for same. I've started trial packing using the front seat and the lap and shoulder harnesses.Looks like it will work, especially avoiding anything that would bind controls. Weight is not an issue but volume of stuff. I suspect there is good advice out there from those of you who have done this before. Besides a minimum of clothes, I'll bring tie downs, a small tent,blanket, sleeping pad, shaving gear, engine oil, camera, money!, cockpit covers to keep my seat dry etc.The important stuff to keep dry I'll put in kayak dry bags. All of it will be bagged. But, some of you have done this before--so--any good tips out there? My route will be around the north end of Lake Michigan and then down the Door Peninsula of Wisconsin to Brodhead, about 375 miles. At the moment I have 27 hours on the plane, landings are getting better and my longest trip thus far has been ~60 miles. I mentioned earliar that my trip is tied to my wife's medical situation. At the moment she is stable and her mom will be coming to stay with her while I'm gone. I can't take the time to go to Oshkosh as well. I have been to Oshkosh with my first plane and have driven to Brodhead twice beore. I am really looking forward to putting faces on the names on e-mails and thanking "you" for your advice and comments in person. Jim Lagowski, NX221PT, just north of Traverse City, Mi. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 09, 2009
Subject: Re: AIrfoil can of worms?
Thanks Lowell, Please keep me on your mailing list for info on this subject. I am committed to this airfoil for NX241CC. I just want a little float after roundout. Corky **************Dell Studio XPS Desktop: Save up to $400 - Limited Time Offer p:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D3) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 09, 2009
Subject: Re: Packing for Broadhead
A good fly swatter and some "kill those damn flys spray" **************Dell Studio XPS Desktop: Save up to $400 - Limited Time Offer p:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D3) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Packing for Broadhead
From: "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 09, 2009
Jim, What a great adventure! Hartford (HXF) is a nice stop for cheap fuel and a GREAT N/S grass strip. Should be lot's of activity there. No food. About 70 miles to Brodhead from HXF. Skirt the west side of Lake Koshkonong to stay well clear of Madison airspace. One very TALL tower NE of Brodhead to watch for. Look forward to meeting you. Mike -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252263#252263 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Packing for Broadhead
Date: Jul 09, 2009
In my Cub (which was passed by a Pietenpol last year and I am still irked), that tower and Lake Koshkonong seem to take about eight days to pass. Once past the tower you are to Brodhead in about ten minutes. Figure 60 minutes from Hartford to Brodhead. -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com On Jul 9, 2009, at 8:07 AM, 899PM wrote: > > > > Jim, > > What a great adventure! Hartford (HXF) is a nice stop for cheap fuel > and a GREAT N/S grass strip. Should be lot's of activity there. No > food. About 70 miles to Brodhead from HXF. Skirt the west side of > Lake Koshkonong to stay well clear of Madison airspace. One very > TALL tower NE of Brodhead to watch for. Look forward to meeting you. > Mike > > -------- > PAPA MIKE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252263#252263 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 09, 2009
Subject: Re: ear plugs a must........ Packing for Broadhead
Mike, I am quite shocked, I thought all aviators were people of good breeding, oops, sorry that would be Naval officers, not airmen, as you we re.... ...Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details In a message dated 7/9/2009 9:52:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time, michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov writes: Since I wear them at work, during the night when I sleep, and when flying the Pietenpol, ear plugs also come in quite handy during camping so you=99re not disturbed by others snoring, farting, belching, or otherwise making noise, music, or tomfoolery. Of course none of the campers that I camp with at Brodhead are prone to such behaviorJ Mike C. do not archive ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) ======================== ============ ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ======================== ============ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2009
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Packing for Broadhead
Jim and everyone, That trip sounds like a blast! On the topic of arriving at Brodhead, when are people planning on getting there? I am only able to get away for either Thursday or Friday and can't make it Saturday since my wife works that weekend which makes me Mr. Mom for our twin 2.5 year old daughters (aside - what *is* it with Pieters and twins girls? I think it might be genetic...). Anyway, I'm thinking more folks will be there on Friday than on Thursday. Thoughts? Thanks, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 09, 2009
Subject: Re: Packing for Broadhead
Thursday morning, driving down after setting up camp at Osh. ...Chrissi & Randi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 7/9/2009 12:14:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, yocum(at)fnal.gov writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum Jim and everyone, That trip sounds like a blast! On the topic of arriving at Brodhead, when are people planning on getting there? I am only able to get away for either Thursday or Friday and can't make it Saturday since my wife works that weekend which makes me Mr. Mom for our twin 2.5 year old daughters (aside - what *is* it with Pieters and twins girls? I think it might be genetic...). Anyway, I'm thinking more folks will be there on Friday than on Thursday. Thoughts? Thanks, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 09, 2009
Subject: Re: ear plugs a must........ Packing for Broadhead
Chrissi, You must not have known the same sailors I knew...... Best Behavior? ...Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 7/9/2009 12:14:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, gcardinal(at)comcast.net writes: ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Packing for Broadhead
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 09, 2009
First, I am totally envious of Jim (and others)... can't wait to fly my plane, especially to the big show. Second, we are planning to arrive in Rockford late Thursday night and stay through Saturday. Looking forward to meeting all of you. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252305#252305 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Packing for Broadhead
Date: Jul 09, 2009
I have it on Good Authority that, though the Show technically starts on Friday, Thursday is a great day, too (more one-on-one). I'll be there Thursday AM. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Packing for Broadhead First, I am totally envious of Jim (and others)... can't wait to fly my plane, especially to the big show. Second, we are planning to arrive in Rockford late Thursday night and stay through Saturday. Looking forward to meeting all of you. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252305#252305 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Packing for Broadhead
Date: Jul 09, 2009
Well, technically, it now runs Thursday through Saturday, per the latest BPA news I have here. If I recall correctly the change was made because Sunday is dead anyway with the flyout to OSH... Ryan Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2009, at 1:21 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > > > I have it on Good Authority that, though the Show technically starts > on > Friday, Thursday is a great day, too (more one-on-one). I'll be there > Thursday AM. > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (13 ribs down.) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:45 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Packing for Broadhead > > > First, I am totally envious of Jim (and others)... can't wait to fly > my > plane, especially to the big show. > > Second, we are planning to arrive in Rockford late Thursday night > and stay > through Saturday. > > Looking forward to meeting all of you. > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252305#252305 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2009
From: Jim <jimboyer(at)hughes.net>
Subject: Re: Packing for Broadhead
Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol builder with Corvair Sunday is always the fly home or to Oshkosh day. The first time I was at Brodhead all I saw on Sunday was guys saying goodbye and flying out. Jim On Jul 9, 2009, rmueller23(at)gmail.com wrote: Well, technically, it now runs Thursday through Saturday, per the latest BPA news I have here. If I recall correctly the change was made because Sunday is dead anyway with the flyout to OSH... Ryan Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2009, at 1:21 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > > > I have it on Good Authority that, though the Show technically starts > on > Friday, Thursday is a great day, too (more one-on-one). I'll be there > Thursday AM. > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (13 ribs down.) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:45 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Packing for Broadhead > > > First, I am totally envious of Jim (and others)... can't wait to fly > my > plane, especially to the big show. > > Second, we are planning to arrive in Rockford late Thursday night > and stay > through Saturday. > > Looking forward to meeting all of you. > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252305#252305 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Tall towers
Date: Jul 09, 2009
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Those tall towers are a menace!!! I hate those things. I am very surprised that I have not heard of any airplane accidents flying into those things. Has anyone else?? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "donald lane" <dslane(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: engine run
Date: Jul 09, 2009
I passed one more milestone today. Ran the Ford engine for about 2 minutes. I was trying to start it earlier today with a friend assisting. It would only fire one cylinder with the impulse, occasionally. After he left, I advanced the timing a little more and it started on the second flip of the prop. Unfortunately, I didn't have the camera out there with me and I had turned off the gas at the tank, so when my wife heard it start and ran out with the camera, it was running great, but stopped before she could get a picture. Then I couldn't get it started again. At least now I know that it will run and just have to figure out the proper procedure to start it. Still need to build the cowling and then put the wings and tail back on. Hopefully it will go back together again ok, now that the fabric is on it. I haven't tried to put the ailerons on the wings, or the tail back together since they were covered. Don Lane Minnesott Beach ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: engine run
Date: Jul 10, 2009
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Hi Don, Congratulations on your Ford A start-up. I just ran mine for the first time last November. I timed my mags (aftermarket 8 plug head) to 30 degrees before TC with 25 degree lag on the impulses.?It fires off after a shot of prime and a couple blades pull-through. Here is the link to the video. That is my wife screaming in the background. http://s564.photobucket.com/albums/ss83/dhelsper/?action=view¤t=1ststart-upmodelAwithcarvedprop.flv -----Original Message----- From: donald lane <dslane(at)embarqmail.com> Sent: Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:57 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine run I passed one more milestone today.? Ran the Ford engine for about 2 minutes.? I was trying to start it earlier today with a friend assisting.? It would only fire one cylinder with the impulse, occasionally.? After he left, I advanced the timing a little more and it started on the second flip of the prop.? Unfortunately, I didn't have the camera out there with me and I had turned off the gas at the tank, so when my wife heard it start and ran out with the camera, it was running great, but stopped before she could get a picture.? Then I couldn't get it started again.? At least now I know that it will run and just have to figure out the proper procedure to start it.? Still need to build the cowling and then put the wings and tail back on.? Hopefully it will go back together again ok, now that the fabric is on it.? I haven't tried to put the ailerons on the wings, or the tail back together since they were covered. Don Lane Minnesott Beach ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 07/09/09
Date: Jul 10, 2009
From: tbyh(at)aol.com
At various?Navy towns?like Norfolk, San Diego, Pensacola, etc. the locals put signs out in their yards: ? "Dogs and sailors keep off the grass!" Navy pilots do it better! See you all?in two weeks! Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 10, 2009
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: engine run
Dan, I love that video. How did you choose that prop? Did you design it? Thanks, Jeff -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jul 10, 2009
Subject: Looking for Pietenpols to fly in EAA's Homebuilt Review
during 'Showcase' time slots EAA is considering featuring Pietenpols during either a Wednesday the 29th or Saturday August 1st Homebuilt Review Showcase time slot where we would launch roughly five Piets with var ious engines--- one Model A, one Corvair, one Continental, and fly a racet rack pattern in front of the crowd while an announcer describes the airplan e and various engine types for a few minutes. EAA needs to know---- would the Wednesday time slot be better ??? My pr eliminary answer to them was YES as I think most of you will be long gone w ith your Pietenpols by Saturday August 1st. LASTLY-I need to know if we have ENOUGH GUYS to fly a five-ship fly-by....a t least with various powerplants or not. If we have enough guys there will ing to fly, EAA will give us some good face time with the crowd-which would be wonderful. Thank you ! Mike C. PS-Please respond directly to me so as not to clutter up the list unnecessa rily. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: engine run- prop design
Date: Jul 10, 2009
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Jeff, I found that prop besign once at Brodhead. I took a photo of it and scaled it up to a 76" prop design. Then I learned how to carve a prop when I was at Oshkosh '07. I used a chain saw and 7" disc sander. I actually have produced a detailed instructional CD (not a video) on how to do it. I have them for sale now. Contact me off-list if you might be interested. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> Sent: Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:09 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: engine run ? Dan,? ? I love that video. How did you choose that prop? Did you design it?? ? Thanks,? ? Jeff? -- ---? ? Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.? Associate Professor of Ophthalmology? Emory University School of Medicine? Editor-in-Chief? Molecular Vision? ? ? ? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 10, 2009
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for Pietenpols to fly in EAA's Homebuilt
Review during 'Showcase' time slots It would also be great if somebody could be there with a video camera to record this for posterity. Tom S. in beautiful Kansas but despondent about being at neither Broadhead or Oshkosh! >>> "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" 7/10/2009 9:13 AM >>> EAA is considering featuring Pietenpols during either a Wednesday the 29th or Saturday August 1st Homebuilt Review Showcase time slot where we would launch roughly five Piets with various engines--- one Model A, one Corvair, one Continental, and fly a racetrack pattern in front of the crowd while an announcer describes the airplane and various engine types for a few minutes. EAA needs to know---- would the Wednesday time slot be better ??? My preliminary answer to them was YES as I think most of you will be long gone with your Pietenpols by Saturday August 1st. LASTLYI need to know if we have ENOUGH GUYS to fly a five-ship fly-by.at least with various powerplants or not. If we have enough guys there willing to fly, EAA will give us some good face time with the crowdwhich would be wonderful. Thank you ! Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 10, 2009
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Looking for Pietenpols to fly in EAA's Homebuilt
Review during 'Showcase' time slots I think I plan on flying home on tues a.m. so I don't think I would be able to. I found another problem we have to fix on the piet before Brodhead. The flywheel/ ring gear is cracked (again) so time to make some mods to the starter setup. Bell Corvair mk4, hoping to make the big show. Time for some nuts, bolts, machine work, and then some cold beer. Hope to see y'all there, Shad p.s. I know, I know, should have put a Continental on it.....But what would I have learned! ha ha ha ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 10, 2009
Subject: Re: Packing for Broadhead
From: Andrew M Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com>
Ive had luck belting bags to the front seat, I had the front stick REMOVED, though, which made it almost impossible for it to get bound. Rudder was probably the greatest vulnerability. Andrew On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 10:26 AM, wrote: > Thursday morning, driving down after setting up camp at Osh. > ...Chrissi & Randi > > CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware > www.CozyGirrrl.com > Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo > Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details > ============================== > If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires > we fill out a form you will not hear from us. > Please do not make your spam problem ours. > In a message dated 7/9/2009 12:14:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > yocum(at)fnal.gov writes: > > > Jim and everyone, > > That trip sounds like a blast! > > On the topic of arriving at Brodhead, when are people planning on > getting there? > > I am only able to get away for either Thursday or Friday and can't make > it Saturday since my wife works that weekend which makes me Mr. Mom for > our twin 2.5 year old daughters (aside - what *is* it with Pieters and > twins girls? I think it might be genetic...). > > Anyway, I'm thinking more folks will be there on Friday than on > Thursday. Thoughts? > > Thanks, > Dan > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > Fermilab. Just zeros and ======================== Use the ties Day > ================================================ - MATRONICS > WEB FORUMS ================================================ - > List Contribution Web Site sp; > ================================================== > > > * > > * > > -- Andrew M. Eldredge Sahuarita, AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: eyebrows
From: "skellytown flyer" <rhano(at)att.net>
Date: Jul 10, 2009
I am wondering what you that have made air scoops for the Corvair used and how you shaped the front edge of them. I would like to have either a beaded edge or something to stiffen it.anyway any tips or pictures would be helpful.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252519#252519 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 10, 2009
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: eyebrows
Raamond, We just used the stock corvair fan shroud with the front cut out, and the hole for the blower was covered with sheet metal welded in. Look at westcostpiet.com and I think there are some good pictures with the cowling off. As far as making some out of aluminum, I would recomend using soft aluminum .040" or so and wrap the edge with a thin steel wire for added stiffness. Shad --- On Fri, 7/10/09, skellytown flyer wrote: > From: skellytown flyer <rhano(at)att.net> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: eyebrows > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 9:51 PM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: "skellytown flyer" > > I am wondering what you that have made air scoops for the > Corvair used and how you shaped the front edge of them. I > would like to have either a beaded edge or something to > stiffen it.anyway any tips or pictures would be > helpful.Raymond > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252519#252519 > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: I cant find it
From: "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au>
Date: Jul 11, 2009
Hi All The other day there were some pic's of a Piet with an extra large wing tank like a tiger moth,and some other mods. I am sure that they were on this list but I could be mistaken does anyone know where they are? Thanks Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252539#252539 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: easy beaded cowling edge
Date: Jul 11, 2009
Just finished my cowling (Ford) and when I sat back to admire it, really felt the need for a nice rolled or beaded edge to give the various cutouts that nice finished look. Not having the tooling or expertise to do a true rolled edge, I came up with this idea. I'm sure it's not new, but it was new to me and I'm really pleased with it. Get some soft 1/4" aluminum tubing from the plumbing dept at your local hardware store. Straighten it really well and put a slice down one side with a cutting disc in an angle grinder. Open the slice a bit with a screwdriver and slide it over your cowling edge and bend/shape/form/straighten until it fits perfectly. Remove, deburr it a bit and inject some epoxy in the slot, reinstall and crimp with a padded channel lock or something. Was surprisingly quick, cheap, light and how that it's painted, it is my favorite part of the whole cowling. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: easy beaded cowling edge
From: "skellytown flyer" <rhano(at)att.net>
Date: Jul 11, 2009
that is an interesting method for sure.as you probably saw I'm trying to get started on mine and wanted some tips.I don't know if the vibration would loosen that edge or not but it is a clean looking edge I'm sure.I hope we'll get some feedback if anyone had done it that way about how it held up. thanks for the tip.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252541#252541 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: I cant find it
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jul 11, 2009
Carson, Maybe these are the photos you were looking for: http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=342 Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252542#252542 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: eyebrows
Date: Jul 11, 2009
From: hvandervoo(at)aol.com
Follow the link http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=74 Hans Pietenpol NX15KV -----Original Message----- From: skellytown flyer <rhano(at)att.net> Sent: Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:51 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: eyebrows I am wondering what you that have made air scoops for the Corvair used and how you shaped the front edge of them. I would like to have either a beaded edge or something to stiffen it.anyway any tips or pictures would be helpful.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252519#252519 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: I cant find it
From: "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au>
Date: Jul 11, 2009
Thanks Bill They are the ones Thank you very much Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252597#252597 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: moth type wing tank
Date: Jul 12, 2009
Carson, I've built a moth type tank in my center section. There should be some shots of it posted by now at westcoastpiet.com If not, I'd be happy to email you some. Holds 16.5 US gallons. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: moth type wing tank
From: "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au>
Date: Jul 12, 2009
Hi Douwe I would appreciate that very much. My email is carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au Thanks Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252689#252689 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 12, 2009
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Brodhead or bust
I'll be blasting off in my "Cherry Grove Missle" Wednesday or Thursday to a ttend a couple of events on the way to C37 and OSH. Sure seems like a lot o f long, hot, oily-days trusting an 80 year-old engine to get me from here to there but-I'm just as excited as ever to get going. After all the fra ntic last-minute scrambling, it's a magic transformation to just me and my airplane and whatever I have packed.-The airplane-becomes my whole univ erse. Absolutely no other worries or distractions. Every effort and thought is low and slow pilotage and I can let myself go back to the era of Lindbe rg, Post, Earhart and Pietenpol. Up before dawn and smelling farm families brekfast cooking from 500'. Walks into tiny towns with my gas can. Flying i n air so hot and humid that I can almost see it. Pitching my tent and playi ng my harmonica (badly) before sacking out and eager to do itall over again the next day. Makes me feel like a kid again! Heck, I am a kid again!!! - Then all the familiar faces at Brodhead and all the new ones asking the sam e questions we all asked at one time or another and taking pictures and not es to determine the direction their creation will take. Wondering-which o nes-will be-the few that will-come back year after year with more que stions and-eventually finish their airplanes. Corn and brats. Mosquitos. Earplugs for sleep and a dawn buzz of the strip to get everyone moving. Thu nderstorms of biblical proportions. Heat. Nice folks. Beautiful sunset form ation flights. Hopping rides and feeling good about America. - And then the orgy of aviation that is Oshkosh. - Crowds, noise, lots of money disappearing and more aviation than anyone can stand. Wondering if staying for a third day will lead to some kind of ment al melt-down. Splitting after two days and reclaiming the lifestyle of the 30's again and being supremely happy to be on the way once more. - Can't wait. Wish me luck. All the other pilots, too. - -See ya'! - Larry - - -=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brodhead or bust
Date: Jul 12, 2009
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Hi Lar, ? Reading your post had me mesmerized half-way through. Felt this huge wave of envy; I can't fly mine yet. Can't wait to join you. Next year, the Good Lord willing and the creek don't rise. Really looking forward to seeing your very unique Piet there again after a respite of a couple of years. Good luck my friend, and God speed. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:34 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead or bust I'll be blasting off in my "Cherry Grove Missle" Wednesday or Thursday to attend a couple of events on the way to C37 and OSH. Sure seems like a lot of long, hot, oily?days trusting an 80 year-old engine to get me from here to there but?I'm just as excited as ever to get going. After all the frantic last-minute scrambling, it's a magic transformation to just me and my airplane and whatever I have packed.?The airplane?becomes my whole universe. Absolutely no other worries or distractions. Every effort and thought is low and slow pilotage and I can let myself go back to the era of Lindberg, Post, Earhart and Pietenpol. Up before dawn and smelling farm families brekfast cooking from 500'. Walks into tiny towns with my gas can. Flying in air so hot and humid that I can almost see it. Pitching my tent and playing my harmonica (badly) before sacking out and eager to do itall over again the next day. Makes me feel like a kid again! Heck, I am a kid again!!! ? Then all the familiar faces at Brodhead and all the new ones asking the same questions we all asked at one time or another and taking pictures and notes to determine the direction their creation will take. Wondering?which ones?will be?the few that will?come back year after year with more questions and?eventually finish their airplanes. Corn and brats. Mosquitos. Earplugs for sleep and a dawn buzz of the strip to get everyone moving. Thunderstorms of biblical proportions. Heat. Nice folks. Beautiful sunset formation flights. Hopping rides and feeling good about America. ? And then the orgy of aviation that is Oshkosh. ? Crowds, noise, lots of money disappearing and more aviation than anyone can stand. Wondering if staying for a third day will lead to some kind of mental melt-down. Splitting after two days and reclaiming the lifestyle of the 30's again and being supremely happy to be on the way once more. ? Can't wait. Wish me luck. All the other pilots, too. ? ?See ya'! ? Larry ? ? ? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Brodhead or bust
Date: Jul 12, 2009
Larry, Great visual! I'll be there asking, ". questions and taking pictures and notes.." Safe travels, Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Williams Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 4:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead or bust I'll be blasting off in my "Cherry Grove Missle" Wednesday or Thursday to attend a couple of events on the way to C37 and OSH. Sure seems like a lot of long, hot, oily days trusting an 80 year-old engine to get me from here to there but I'm just as excited as ever to get going. After all the frantic last-minute scrambling, it's a magic transformation to just me and my airplane and whatever I have packed. The airplane becomes my whole universe. Absolutely no other worries or distractions. Every effort and thought is low and slow pilotage and I can let myself go back to the era of Lindberg, Post, Earhart and Pietenpol. Up before dawn and smelling farm families brekfast cooking from 500'. Walks into tiny towns with my gas can. Flying in air so hot and humid that I can almost see it. Pitching my tent and playing my harmonica (badly) before sacking out and eager to do itall over again the next day. Makes me feel like a kid again! Heck, I am a kid again!!! Then all the familiar faces at Brodhead and all the new ones asking the same questions we all asked at one time or another and taking pictures and notes to determine the direction their creation will take. Wondering which ones will be the few that will come back year after year with more questions and eventually finish their airplanes. Corn and brats. Mosquitos. Earplugs for sleep and a dawn buzz of the strip to get everyone moving. Thunderstorms of biblical proportions. Heat. Nice folks. Beautiful sunset formation flights. Hopping rides and feeling good about America. And then the orgy of aviation that is Oshkosh. Crowds, noise, lots of money disappearing and more aviation than anyone can stand. Wondering if staying for a third day will lead to some kind of mental melt-down. Splitting after two days and reclaiming the lifestyle of the 30's again and being supremely happy to be on the way once more. Can't wait. Wish me luck. All the other pilots, too. See ya'! Larry ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 12, 2009
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Brodhead or bust
Couldn't have said it better Larry! Wish you terrific tailwinds, and many happy landings enroute. Hope to see you all up there this year. We have some repairs to get done when the parts get here, but I think we'll pull it off in the 11th hour. Dad's 11th Aviation Battallion was called, "Old Reliables", we're gonna test that....HOOOOOAHH Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 12, 2009
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Brodhead or bust
oops.....Make that the 14th Batallion> > but I think we'll pull > it off in the 11th hour. Dad's 11th Aviation > Battallion was called, "Old Reliables", we're gonna test > that....HOOOOOAHH > > Shad > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick N." <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Brodhead fuel
Date: Jul 12, 2009
I called the Brodhead contact in the Wisc flight guide and was told there is no fuel at this time. They are waiting on a State inspection and it may happen in time but not a for sure thing at this point. Plan accordingly. Dick N. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 13, 2009
Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Doing Your Part
My first student-passenger to be in 47309 (Aeronca) is to be my 62 yr old step daughter. With her natural agility it wouldn't surprise me if she soloed after about 4 hours Corky **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! yExcfooterNO62) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Brodhead or bust
Date: Jul 13, 2009
Very well said, Larry. You've summed up very eloquently what I feel about this annual pilgrimage. I'm spending this morning packing my camping gear in preparation to ship it off to Wisconsin. The airplane is ready, my new charts have arrived and have been marked up, and I'm just counting the days. It will take me about 13 hours of flying to reach Brodhead. I hope to be able to make it in one day, like I did last year. Funny how I would dread a 13 hour drive in a car, but eagerly anticipate sitting in my Pietenpol for 13 hours. I'll see you there. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Williams Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 7:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead or bust I'll be blasting off in my "Cherry Grove Missle" Wednesday or Thursday to attend a couple of events on the way to C37 and OSH. Sure seems like a lot of long, hot, oily days trusting an 80 year-old engine to get me from here to there but I'm just as excited as ever to get going. After all the frantic last-minute scrambling, it's a magic transformation to just me and my airplane and whatever I have packed. The airplane becomes my whole universe. Absolutely no other worries or distractions. Every effort and thought is low and slow pilotage and I can let myself go back to the era of Lindberg, Post, Earhart and Pietenpol. Up before dawn and smelling farm families brekfast cooking from 500'. Walks into tiny towns with my gas can. Flying in air so hot and humid that I can almost see it. Pitching my tent and playing my harmonica (badly) before sacking out and eager to do itall over again the next day. Makes me feel like a kid again! Heck, I am a kid again!!! Then all the familiar faces at Brodhead and all the new ones asking the same questions we all asked at one time or another and taking pictures and notes to determine the direction their creation will take. Wondering which ones will be the few that will come back year after year with more questions and eventually finish their airplanes. Corn and brats. Mosquitos. Earplugs for sleep and a dawn buzz of the strip to get everyone moving. Thunderstorms of biblical proportions. Heat. Nice folks. Beautiful sunset formation flights. Hopping rides and feeling good about America. And then the orgy of aviation that is Oshkosh. Crowds, noise, lots of money disappearing and more aviation than anyone can stand. Wondering if staying for a third day will lead to some kind of mental melt-down. Splitting after two days and reclaiming the lifestyle of the 30's again and being supremely happy to be on the way once more. Can't wait. Wish me luck. All the other pilots, too. See ya'! Larry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 13, 2009
Subject: Re: Brodhead or bust
Larry, Well done! I wish it were me but unfortunately not for a few more years I suspect. Its the school buss people moving metal bird for me. Best of luck in your travels. Hers looking forward to seeing you there, safe flight John **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! yExcfooterNO62) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brodhead or bust
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 13, 2009
Larry, You have said , what we all want to hear and think, I have never missed the Pietenpol fly in since day one, From 13 years old to 80 Plus, The thrill has never changed, You fellows and gals have a future of excitement ahead. Come participate in my FORM Sat, and view your future. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252787#252787 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: airlion(at)bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: Brodhead or bust
Date: Jul 13, 2009
This will be my 3rd trip to brodhead in my cessna 140, but next year will be in my pietenpol. It should be flying by September, and by next year I should have all the bugs worked out. Thanks to all who have responded to all my stupid questions over the past 4 years. See ya'll in Brodhead. Gardiner Mason -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> > > > Larry, You have said , what we all want to hear and think, I have never missed the Pietenpol fly in since day one, From 13 years old to 80 Plus, The thrill has never changed, You fellows and gals have a future of excitement ahead. Come > participate in my FORM Sat, and view your future. > Pieti Lowell > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252787#252787 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: My Pietenpol build is just beginning
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net>
Date: Jul 13, 2009
Rib # 1 is built..........only 29 more. My speed @ building is slower than a Pietenpol. I must learn to build them a little faster because I want to live long enough to fly it! Also since my last post I have acquired my engine. It is a Lycoming O-235 C2C. 2100 hours TT and never been majored. I will do that in due time. I need a mag with impulse coupling(20 degree lag) and the drive gear, and the flywheel/starter ring gear. I have a flywheel that fits the Type#2 flange but my engine has a Type #1. I wish I were going to Brodhead with you guys. Have fun. Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 850-537-5380 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252801#252801 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Brodhead or bust
Date: Jul 13, 2009
Jack, A safe trip to you and all! My schedule this year is a little hectic but hope to be there Thursday or Friday with a Saturday departure. I'm able to haul gear on to OSH for anyone. Look forward to renewing old friendships. Jack www.textors.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: My Pietenpol build is just beginning
Date: Jul 13, 2009
Jerry, Some builders cut all their rib parts to length, ahead of time. I'm sure that speeds up the process, but I'm not organized enough to do that. After 13 ribs, it still takes me 2 hours each, including gussets on both sides, and trimming up. I mostly work on them if I feel like it! It's sorta' like the "Slosky's" in the Comcast commercials..."I rejoice in the slowy goodness..." Just a little each week and you'll get there... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:51 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Pietenpol build is just beginning Rib # 1 is built..........only 29 more. My speed @ building is slower than a Pietenpol. I must learn to build them a little faster because I want to live long enough to fly it! Also since my last post I have acquired my engine. It is a Lycoming O-235 C2C. 2100 hours TT and never been majored. I will do that in due time. I need a mag with impulse coupling(20 degree lag) and the drive gear, and the flywheel/starter ring gear. I have a flywheel that fits the Type#2 flange but my engine has a Type #1. I wish I were going to Brodhead with you guys. Have fun. Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 850-537-5380 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252801#252801 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Yesterday's Milestone
Date: Jul 13, 2009
John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: My Pietenpol build is just beginning
Date: Jul 13, 2009
Good engine, Jerry. I know it seems early to acquire the engine, but believe me, it is not. There are many decisions you will have to make when you get to the fuselage that are easier to make if you know what engine you will hang on it. Ribs are slow. It took me 3 hours per rib, so I built one rib a night for a month. Too bad you'll miss Brodhead. It's the best 3 days of the entire year. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:51 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Pietenpol build is just beginning Rib # 1 is built..........only 29 more. My speed @ building is slower than a Pietenpol. I must learn to build them a little faster because I want to live long enough to fly it! Also since my last post I have acquired my engine. It is a Lycoming O-235 C2C. 2100 hours TT and never been majored. I will do that in due time. I need a mag with impulse coupling(20 degree lag) and the drive gear, and the flywheel/starter ring gear. I have a flywheel that fits the Type#2 flange but my engine has a Type #1. I wish I were going to Brodhead with you guys. Have fun. Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 850-537-5380 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252801#252801 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Yesterday's Milestone
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 13, 2009
Cool Mike! Glad you had a good day! -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252830#252830 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Yesterday's Milestone
From: "Paul N. Peckham" <peckham9(at)countryspeed.com>
Date: Jul 13, 2009
Whoa! Mike you know how to live. In addition to you being low and slow for 50 years, how about: you're growing older but not up. (with apologies to Jimmy Buffett) Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252835#252835 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Greenlee" <jmgreenlee(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Missing Person
Date: Jul 13, 2009
This is my first post on here. Let's see if it works. Does anybody have a telephone number for Gary Barger or Skip Gadd? Help! John Greenlee NX899JG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Yesterday's Milestone
Date: Jul 13, 2009
It's official - you're now, "Old, low and slow." Me? I'm still just "Old." Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:26 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Yesterday's Milestone John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 14, 2009
From: Jim <jimboyer(at)hughes.net>
Subject: Re: Brodhead or bust
Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol builder with Corvair Wow, thirteen hours in your Piet. My wife and I are motorhoming our way to Brodhead and I dread the 8 to 10 hour days in a very comfortable seat. Have a great flight out Jack; look forward to seeing you there. Jim On Jul 13, 2009, pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote: Very well said, Larry. Youve summed up very eloquently what I feel about this annual pilgrimage. Im spending this morning packing my camping gear in preparation to ship it off to Wisconsin. The airplane is ready, my new charts have arrived and have been marked up, and Im just counting the days. It will take me about 13 hours of flying to reach Brodhead. I hope to be able to make it in one day, like I did last year. Funny how I would dread a 13 hour drive in a car, but eagerly anticipate sitting in my Pietenpol for 13 hours. Ill see you there. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Williams Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 7:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead or bust I'll be blasting off in my "Cherry Grove Missle" Wednesday or Thursday to attend a couple of events on the way to C37 and OSH. Sure seems like a lot of long, hot, oily days trusting an 80 year-old engine to get me from here to there but I'm just as excited as ever to get going. After all the frantic last-minute scrambling, it's a magic transformation to just me and my airplane and whatever I have packed. The airplane becomes my whole universe. Absolutely no other worries or distractions. Every effort and thought is low and slow pilotage and I can let myself go back to the era of Lindberg, Post, Earhart and Pietenpol. Up before dawn and smelling farm families brekfast cooking from 500'. Walks into tiny towns with my gas can. Flying in air so hot and humid that I can almost see it. Pitching my tent and playing my harmonica (badly) before sacking out and eager to do itall over again the next day. Makes me feel like a kid again! Heck, I am a kid again!!! Then all the familiar faces at Brodhead and all the new ones asking the same questions we all asked at one time or another and taking pictures and notes to determine the direction their creation will take. Wondering which ones will be the few that will come back year after year with more questions and eventually finish their airplanes. Corn and brats. Mosquitos. Earplugs for sleep and a dawn buzz of the strip to get everyone moving. Thunderstorms of biblical proportions. Heat. Nice folks. Beautiful sunset formation flights. Hopping rides and feeling good about America. And then the orgy of aviation that is Oshkosh. Crowds, noise, lots of money disappearing and more aviation than anyone can stand. Wondering if staying for a third day will lead to some kind of mental melt-down. Splitting after two days and reclaiming the lifestyle of the 30's again and being supremely happy to be on the way once more. Can't wait. Wish me luck. All the other pilots, too. See ya'! Larry http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Yesterday's Milestone
Date: Jul 13, 2009
Hey Mike Happy Birthday! Sure beats 55! You shouldn't hang around tin cans like that (sorry Jack). Best wishes, Jack www.textors.com From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:26 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Yesterday's Milestone John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 05:56:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: engine mount washers
Date: Jul 13, 2009
Howdy, low 'n' slow fliers- I think I've found the answer for extra-thick fender washers for the engine mount bolts on my Cont. A75 (same as for other small Continentals). I bought a pack of ten steel washers for 3/8" bolts, black oxide finish, 1/8" thick, from McMaster Carr. Twelve bucks for ten washers. Item No. 92140A118. Way less money than the "for real" TCM parts. I'll let you know how they work out but they should be fine. Meanwhile, I stripped out the threads on one of the rocker cover mounting screws when reinstalling the cooling eyebrows and I've got to fix that. Grrr-!!! I just want to get back in the air!!! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC, A75 hung and A65 sold San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Steve Eldredge <steve(at)byu.edu>
Date: Jul 13, 2009
Subject: Brodhead or bust
ooikkkk -----Original Message----- From: "Jim" <jimboyer(at)hughes.net> Sent: 7/13/09 6:09 PM Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead or bust Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol builder with Corvair Wow, thirteen hours in your Piet. My wife and I are motorhoming our way to Brodhead and I dread the 8 to 10 hour days in a very comfortable seat. Have a great flight out Jack; look forward to seeing you there. Jim On Jul 13, 2009, pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote: Very well said, Larry. Youve summed up very eloquently what I feel about this annual pilgrimage. Im spending this morning packing my camping gear in preparation to ship it off to Wisconsin. The airplane is ready, my new charts have arrived and have been marked up, and Im just counting the days. It will take me about 13 hours of flying to reach Brodhead. I hope to be able to make it in one day, like I did last year. Funny how I would dread a 13 hour drive in a car, but eagerly anticipate sitting in my Pietenpol for 13 hours. Ill see you there. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Williams Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 7:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead or bust I'll be blasting off in my "Cherry Grove Missle" Wednesday or Thursday to attend a couple of events on the way to C37 and OSH. Sure seems like a lot of long, hot, oily days trusting an 80 year-old engine to get me from here to there but I'm just as excited as ever to get going. After all the frantic last-minute scrambling, it's a magic transformation to just me and my airplane and whatever I have packed. The airplane becomes my whole universe. Absolutely no other worries or distractions. Every effort and thought is low and slow pilotage and I can let myself go back to the era of Lindberg, Post, Earhart and Pietenpol. Up before dawn and smelling farm families brekfast cooking from 500'. Walks into tiny towns with my gas can. Flying in air so hot and humid that I can almost see it. Pitching my tent and playing my harmonica (badly) before sacking out and eager to do itall over again the next day. Makes me feel like a kid again! Heck, I am a kid again!!! Then all the familiar faces at Brodhead and all the new ones asking the same questions we all asked at one time or another and taking pictures and notes to determine the direction their creation will take. Wondering which ones will be the few that will come back year after year with more questions and eventually finish their airplanes. Corn and brats. Mosquitos. Earplugs for sleep and a dawn buzz of the strip to get everyone moving. Thunderstorms of biblical proportions. Heat. Nice folks. Beautiful sunset formation flights. Hopping rides and feeling good about America. And then the orgy of aviation that is Oshkosh. Crowds, noise, lots of money disappearing and more aviation than anyone can stand. Wondering if staying for a third day will lead to some kind of mental melt-down. Splitting after two days and reclaiming the lifestyle of the 30's again and being supremely happy to be on the way once more. Can't wait. Wish me luck. All the other pilots, too. See ya'! Larry http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Yesterday's Milestone
Date: Jul 13, 2009
Lady, you ask if this old man is safe to fly? Just how do you think he got to be this old anyway? Clif "There is no end. There is no beginning. There is only the infinite passion of life." ~ Frederico Fellini > > Mike, > I think the milestone is the true indicator of your flying. Your 50th > birthday speaks for itself. > Happy birthday and welcome to the second half. > Mike Hardaway ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jul 14, 2009
Subject: Cliff's landing gear legs
Cliff-- that's a great idea I see in your photo--- the thin pieces of birch plywood at the top end of your wooden gear legs where the bolts go thru---- that wi ll help prevent splitting over time. Excellent idea. On old airplanes like Curt iss Jenny's and WWII types they often (and you'll see some modern day Piets w/ this too ) wrapped the upper end of the gear legs with twine and glue/varnished them in place to keep the wood from splitting up there. Regarding aging, I'll never forget the words of our hilarious neighbor grow ing up Mr. Johnstone. When they had an 80th birthday party for Tom I was tal king to him and he casually mentioned to me "don't worry kid, the first 80 years are the tough est". Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Abramson" <davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com>
Subject: moth type wing tank
Date: Jul 14, 2009
Howdy! I was planning on doing this exact same thing! Can you please e-mail me a couple photos? davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com Thank You soooooo much!!!! Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:09 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: moth type wing tank Carson, I've built a moth type tank in my center section. There should be some shots of it posted by now at westcoastpiet.com If not, I'd be happy to email you some. Holds 16.5 US gallons. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 14, 2009
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: tail weight
Jack, Jack Phillips wrote: > I found it difficult to get the tail up on takeoff until I got up to 40 > mph, so I added a strip of duct tape to seal the gap between the > stabilizer and elevators. Now I can raise the tail after Ive travelled > about 100 feet. The gap seal also affected trim in level flight, > requiring more nose up trim than it used to. I could probably remove > those washers and take the incidence out and it would be just about right. Did you apply the duct tape to the top or the bottom of horizontal stabilizer? Boy, I'm really looking forward to taking a ton of pictures of all of your planes next week at Brodhead! Thanks, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: tail weight
Date: Jul 14, 2009
I put the duct tape on the bottom, as a temporary experiment. 3 years later, it's still there. Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail weight Jack, Jack Phillips wrote: > I found it difficult to get the tail up on takeoff until I got up to 40 > mph, so I added a strip of duct tape to seal the gap between the > stabilizer and elevators. Now I can raise the tail after I've travelled > about 100 feet. The gap seal also affected trim in level flight, > requiring more nose up trim than it used to. I could probably remove > those washers and take the incidence out and it would be just about right. Did you apply the duct tape to the top or the bottom of horizontal stabilizer? Boy, I'm really looking forward to taking a ton of pictures of all of your planes next week at Brodhead! Thanks, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: tail weight
Date: Jul 14, 2009
Hey Dan (and all the rest taking lots of pictures): Please post them somewhere or send them to me on disk and I will post them on my Google account so we can all see the education :-) Mark Mark Roberts On Jul 14, 2009, at 10:16 AM, "Jack Phillips" wrote: > > > > I put the duct tape on the bottom, as a temporary experiment. 3 years > later, it's still there. > > Jack > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan > Yocum > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:16 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail weight > > > Jack, > > Jack Phillips wrote: > >> I found it difficult to get the tail up on takeoff until I got up >> to 40 >> mph, so I added a strip of duct tape to seal the gap between the >> stabilizer and elevators. Now I can raise the tail after I've >> travelled >> about 100 feet. The gap seal also affected trim in level flight, >> requiring more nose up trim than it used to. I could probably remove >> those washers and take the incidence out and it would be just about >> right. > > > Did you apply the duct tape to the top or the bottom of horizontal > stabilizer? > > Boy, I'm really looking forward to taking a ton of pictures of all of > your planes next week at Brodhead! > > Thanks, > Dan > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jul 14, 2009
Subject: Talked with Bill Rewey regarding Pietenpols to Oshkosh
Here is the scoop if you intend to fly into Oshkosh. You are encouraged to fly in with your own handheld radio if you like-there is no requirement to meet up at Waupun to stage. If you have a handheld radio USE IT. Borrow one, bring one, just to list en to the Fisk controllers, even if you're not the leader of a gaggle Everyone should leave Brodhead with enough fuel to reach Oshkosh-there is n o fuel at Waupun. Next-and this is HUGE. The ASPHALT AT Waupun in NOT USEABLE !!!!!!!!! Only use the E-W Grass runway !!!!!!!!! Do NOT USE THE PAVEMENT. There is no gas at Waupun. Some may help meet you there with gas but be advised there is no gas at Waupun. Group leaders will get a clearance from the OSH tower via phone at Waupun a nd then proceed via the normal Fisk approach. The four or five ships behind the group leader SHOULD also have radios to l isten up-you don't need to say a word but it is advisable to listen to what is going on. Normally there is =BD mile in-trail spacing between Fisk airplanes enterin g the Ripon corridor----if you're in a Piet gaggle the spacing is MUCH CLOS ER....not formation flying but say 100, 200 yards behind the guy in front o f you. Bill said the gaggles will fly slightly offset from the RR tracks from Ripo n to Fisk so that faster traffic can pass you. (this per the Chief OSH t ower controller that Bill has spoken to about this) Whatever your leader does, you follow. If cleared to 27, you follow and l and on 27. You MUST read the NOTAM cover to cover ! You can obtain a NOTAM (they'll mail it to you) or print it out---Go here: http://www.airventure.org/flying/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Brodhead or bust
Date: Jul 14, 2009
who all are coming in on airlines? Where? When? Maybe we can work out a way to meet and share rental car. I'm kinda flexible where and when to go into. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com<mailto:AMsafetyC(at)aol.com> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead or bust Larry, Well done! I wish it were me but unfortunately not for a few more years I suspect. Its the school buss people moving metal bird for me. Best of luck in your travels. Hers looking forward to seeing you there, safe flight John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- An Excellent Credi90x1201462820/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default .aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=JulyExcfooterNO62>See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Subject: Brodhead or bust
Date: Jul 14, 2009
My brother and I are flying into Chicago from SLC arriving around 8:30 pm on Thursday the 23rd. Driving to the AmericInn at Monroe that night and to Brodhead the next day. Brian SLC - UT From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 2:42 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead or bust who all are coming in on airlines? Where? When? Maybe we can work out a way to meet and share rental car. I'm kinda flexible where and when to go into. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead or bust Larry, Well done! I wish it were me but unfortunately not for a few more years I suspect. Its the school buss people moving metal bird for me. Best of luck in your travels. Hers looking forward to seeing you there, safe flight John ________________________________ An Excellent Credi90x1201462820/aol?redir=
http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default . aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=JulyExcfooterNO62>See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat r onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Brodhead or bust
Date: Jul 14, 2009
I'm flying into Midway, 6:25pm, Wednesday night; have rental car to drive to Beloit same evening. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 1:42 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead or bust who all are coming in on airlines? Where? When? Maybe we can work out a way to meet and share rental car. I'm kinda flexible where and when to go into. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead or bust Larry, Well done! I wish it were me but unfortunately not for a few more years I suspect. Its the school buss people moving metal bird for me. Best of luck in your travels. Hers looking forward to seeing you there, safe flight John _____ An Excellent Credi90x1201462820/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx ?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=JulyExcfooterNO62>See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Ruse" <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
Subject: Re: easy beaded cowling edge
Date: Jul 14, 2009
That sounds like a great idea. I might try that on my new eyebrows. Steve Ruse Norman, OK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 7:14 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: easy beaded cowling edge > > > Just finished my cowling (Ford) and when I sat back to admire it, really > felt the need for a nice rolled or beaded edge to give the various cutouts > that nice finished look. Not having the tooling or expertise to do a true > rolled edge, I came up with this idea. I'm sure it's not new, but it was > new to me and I'm really pleased with it. > > Get some soft 1/4" aluminum tubing from the plumbing dept at your local > hardware store. Straighten it really well and put a slice down one side > with a cutting disc in an angle grinder. Open the slice a bit with a > screwdriver and slide it over your cowling edge and > bend/shape/form/straighten until it fits perfectly. Remove, deburr it a > bit > and inject some epoxy in the slot, reinstall and crimp with a padded > channel > lock or something. > > Was surprisingly quick, cheap, light and how that it's painted, it is my > favorite part of the whole cowling. > > Douwe > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com>
Subject: lamintated spar
Date: Jul 14, 2009
I was wondering if anyone has taken something like (2) 3" wide pieces of sp ruce and edge glued them together to make spar material. I believe this is acceptable after reading the EAA "Wood" book. I called Mccormicks to chec k into their lumber supply and they have a lot of 1x9 material - so with 4 3/4" spars you'd need to laminate the second part or you couldn't use the r est of the board for spar. $9/board foot. I ordered (4) 16 footers for th e fuselage and tail section and nearly all of the stuff was spar quality ev en without handpicking. This place is located in Madison=2C WI - 1 hour no rth of Brodhead... Guess when I'm going to get my spars :) See you all at Brodhead! Tom B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: tail weight
Date: Jul 14, 2009
Hey Dan, Have you see tnis website? http://westcoastpiet.com/ (I know shameless plug) Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:29 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail weight > > Hey Dan (and all the rest taking lots of pictures): > > Please post them somewhere or send them to me on disk and I will post > them on my Google account so we can all see the education :-) > > Mark > > > Mark Roberts > > On Jul 14, 2009, at 10:16 AM, "Jack Phillips" > wrote: > >> > > >> >> I put the duct tape on the bottom, as a temporary experiment. 3 years >> later, it's still there. >> >> Jack >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan >> Yocum >> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:16 AM >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail weight >> >> >> Jack, >> >> Jack Phillips wrote: >> >>> I found it difficult to get the tail up on takeoff until I got up to 40 >>> mph, so I added a strip of duct tape to seal the gap between the >>> stabilizer and elevators. Now I can raise the tail after I've >>> travelled >>> about 100 feet. The gap seal also affected trim in level flight, >>> requiring more nose up trim than it used to. I could probably remove >>> those washers and take the incidence out and it would be just about >>> right. >> >> >> Did you apply the duct tape to the top or the bottom of horizontal >> stabilizer? >> >> Boy, I'm really looking forward to taking a ton of pictures of all of >> your planes next week at Brodhead! >> >> Thanks, >> Dan >> >> -- >> Dan Yocum >> Fermilab 630.840.6509 >> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >> Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 14, 2009
Subject: Re: tail weight
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
It's a great site... In fact, it's a better place to post the pictures :o) In fact Chis, I surf it nightly at this point ! Mark On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 9:22 PM, wrote: > > Hey Dan, > > Have you see tnis website? > > http://westcoastpiet.com/ > > (I know shameless plug) > > Chris > Sacramento, CA > WestCoastPiet.com > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:29 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail weight > > >> > >> >> >> Hey Dan (and all the rest taking lots of pictures): >> >> Please post them somewhere or send them to me on disk and I will post them >> on my Google account so we can all see the education :-) >> >> Mark >> >> >> Mark Roberts >> >> On Jul 14, 2009, at 10:16 AM, "Jack Phillips" >> wrote: >> >>> pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net >>> > >>> >>> I put the duct tape on the bottom, as a temporary experiment. 3 years >>> later, it's still there. >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan >>> Yocum >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:16 AM >>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail weight >>> >>> >>> Jack, >>> >>> Jack Phillips wrote: >>> >>> I found it difficult to get the tail up on takeoff until I got up to 40 >>>> mph, so I added a strip of duct tape to seal the gap between the >>>> stabilizer and elevators. Now I can raise the tail after I've travelled >>>> about 100 feet. The gap seal also affected trim in level flight, >>>> requiring more nose up trim than it used to. I could probably remove >>>> those washers and take the incidence out and it would be just about >>>> right. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Did you apply the duct tape to the top or the bottom of horizontal >>> stabilizer? >>> >>> Boy, I'm really looking forward to taking a ton of pictures of all of >>> your planes next week at Brodhead! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Dan >>> >>> -- >>> Dan Yocum >>> Fermilab 630.840.6509 >>> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >>> Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: For sale in Vancouver
Date: Jul 14, 2009
This turned up localy. I didn't even know of it's existance! http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/for/1267766572.html ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jul 15, 2009
Subject: EAA Homebuilt Review-- Featuring Pietenpol Air Campers
All-we have had a GREAT response for this Doc Mosher/EAA/Joe Norris request to fly a variety of Pietenpols powered by different engines during the Showcase event for Piete npols on Wednesday of the EAA convention. We have yet to confirm a CORVAIR powered Pietenpol though. So far we hav e: Continental, Ford, Rotec, and Lambert powered Piets willing to participate. We may have two FORDS even. We may toss in one more token Continental powered Piet if we can't find a Corvair Piet availab le to fly since they want about 5 planes in the fly-by pattern. Thank you all for your offline responses ! Mike C. in Ohio ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2009
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: For sale in Vancouver
$25,000???? Twenty-five THOUSAND dollars for a Piet fuselage, tail, and ribs? I guess the economy really is picking up... > >This turned up localy. I didn't even know of it's existance! > >http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/for/1267766572.html -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: EAA Homebuilt Review-- Featuring Pietenpol Air Campers
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 15, 2009
Mike, Could you use a fuel injected B Ford, in the line-up ? ? Pieti Lowell Mike C. in Ohio > [b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253111#253111 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2009
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: For sale in Vancouver
$25,000 seems a bit steep for an unfinished 'Camper with no engine! Stinemetze >>> "Clif Dawson" 7/15/2009 12:52 AM >>> This turned up localy. I didn't even know of it's existance! http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/for/1267766572.html ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jul 15, 2009
Subject: Re: EAA Homebuilt Review-- Featuring Pietenpol Air
Campers Lowell--- Sounds good ! We'll coordinate with Doc Mosher and Joe Norris from EAA once we are on the ground at OSH. Joe was worried we would not have any Fords-- now we might have more than he wants but you know-- better that way than not to have enough volunteers ! Mike Cuy ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: oshkosh arrival times
Date: Jul 15, 2009
Does anyone know what the scheduled group arrival time is for Oshkosh on Sunday? I plan on flying into Brodhead on Friday morning with my Tri Pacer. I will be leaving at dawn on Sunday for RVY, Watertown WI, where I will link up with a 30 plane short wing piper group. We will then leave RVY for a planned 8:15 arrival at Oshkosh. I would like to see the Pietenpol arrivals if I get there first. I should have extra room. so if anyone needs stuff hauled to Oshkosh just let me know. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN N5936D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Airport Closure
From: jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com
Date: Jul 15, 2009
All, not sure if this will effect anyone, but for those of you that will be passing through the great state of Iowa, the Iowa City Airport will be closed for the entire month of August for resurfacing. so don't plan on stopping there for fuel on your return from Oshkosh. Jake ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: For sale in Vancouver
From: "Ozarkflyer" <lragan(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 15, 2009
That's like your girlfriend telling you that she's a bit pregnant. [Shocked] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253153#253153 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2009
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: tail weight
catdesigns(at)att.net wrote: > > Hey Dan, > > Have you see tnis website? > > http://westcoastpiet.com/ > > (I know shameless plug) Hi Chris, Yes. I am addicted to westcoastpiet. But, I can stop at any time. Sure, sure, that's it, anytime . *grin* So, the current owner of N8031 pointed me to some recent picts of the plane and I've discovered that there are some... oddities which I will be looking at correcting over the years to come. For instance, moving the wing back is not going to be straight forward at all - the strut attach points aren't constructed like they are on, say, Don Emch's Piet (http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_150.JPG). Where Don has that insert bolted to the stut which can allow for some pivoting back and forth, N8031's struts are welded and there's no pivoting allowed (booo!). The diagonal cabanes are, again, welded to the forward cabanes. Argh! I'll probably just buy pristine aerodynamic tubing and build new struts. That's a project for the future. And there are no gap seals on the horizontal/elevator and vertical/rudder which doesn't help with the amount of down elevator required to fly level. Gap seals are easy, as Jack has mentioned - "temporary" duct tape should do the trick. That one's easy and I'll do it right away. All of these things are OK with me - the plane flies and that's what I'm interested in right now. I'll be looking at all of your planes next Friday to see how you approached these solution. See you then, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2009
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track
This is somewhat off-topic, but I think it's pretty cool. Tres Clements is flying his (soon-to-be mine) Pietenpol N8031 from San Luis Obispo to OSH. He and a friend left yesterday and are winging their way eastward. Here's the Spot track of the route they're taking: http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0XeQYjmJLJJpESJ4WgdjS2W9eSMQUx0Ql Me, I'm just plain tickled pink to see it finally on it's way! Cheers, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2009
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track
I've really enjoyed my Spot. Looks like Tres if flying IFR, following the interstate system. Ben Dan Yocum wrote: > > This is somewhat off-topic, but I think it's pretty cool. > > Tres Clements is flying his (soon-to-be mine) Pietenpol N8031 from San > Luis Obispo to OSH. He and a friend left yesterday and are winging > their way eastward. Here's the Spot track of the route they're taking: > > http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0XeQYjmJLJJpESJ4WgdjS2W9eSMQUx0Ql > > > Me, I'm just plain tickled pink to see it finally on it's way! > > Cheers, > Dan > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net>
Subject: Re: tail weight
Date: Jul 15, 2009
Dan, to me a much nicer looking approach to gap seals is to use vinyl. The type of vinyl used by sign shops to make signs out of. Many types of colors. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum(at)fnal.gov> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail weight > > catdesigns(at)att.net wrote: >> >> Hey Dan, >> >> Have you see tnis website? >> >> http://westcoastpiet.com/ >> >> (I know shameless plug) > > Hi Chris, > > Yes. I am addicted to westcoastpiet. But, I can stop at any time. > Sure, sure, that's it, anytime . *grin* > > So, the current owner of N8031 pointed me to some recent picts of the > plane and I've discovered that there are some... oddities which I will > be looking at correcting over the years to come. > > For instance, moving the wing back is not going to be straight forward > at all - the strut attach points aren't constructed like they are on, > say, Don Emch's Piet > (http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_150.JPG). > Where Don has that insert bolted to the stut which can allow for some > pivoting back and forth, N8031's struts are welded and there's no > pivoting allowed (booo!). The diagonal cabanes are, again, welded to > the forward cabanes. Argh! I'll probably just buy pristine aerodynamic > tubing and build new struts. That's a project for the future. > > And there are no gap seals on the horizontal/elevator and > vertical/rudder which doesn't help with the amount of down elevator > required to fly level. Gap seals are easy, as Jack has mentioned - > "temporary" duct tape should do the trick. That one's easy and I'll do > it right away. > > All of these things are OK with me - the plane flies and that's what I'm > interested in right now. > > I'll be looking at all of your planes next Friday to see how you > approached these solution. > > See you then, > Dan > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06:07:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2009
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track
The Spot tracker shows them at Thermal right now. I am surprised that they didn't land at Bermuda Dunes, instead. Unless they backtrack, they won't be overflying US 10 through the mountains and then throught the desert. Maybe they detoured to get a gander at the Salton Sea? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2009
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: tail weight
Gene & Tammy wrote: > Dan, to me a much nicer looking approach to gap seals is to use vinyl. > The type of vinyl used by sign shops to make signs out of. Many types > of colors. Oh, that's a great idea - I didn't even think about sign shops. They probably have really wide tape, too. I'm also a glider pilot (well, I'm putting that on hold when the Piet arrives) and sealing all the gaps is one of the rituals of putting the glass ships together. Of course, the gaps are quite a bit smaller on gliders. Thanks, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net>
Subject: Re: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track
Date: Jul 15, 2009
Dan, when you meet up with Tres would you ask him where he mounted his SPOT? Thanks Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum(at)fnal.gov> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:19 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track > > This is somewhat off-topic, but I think it's pretty cool. > > Tres Clements is flying his (soon-to-be mine) Pietenpol N8031 from San > Luis Obispo to OSH. He and a friend left yesterday and are winging > their way eastward. Here's the Spot track of the route they're taking: > > http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0XeQYjmJLJJpESJ4WgdjS2W9eSMQUx0Ql > > Me, I'm just plain tickled pink to see it finally on it's way! > > Cheers, > Dan > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06:07:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: For sale in Vancouver
Date: Jul 15, 2009
I thought you guys would get a kick out of that.. I wonder what his conclusions will be when it still hasn't sold two months from now? Clif Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: For sale in Vancouver > > That's like your girlfriend telling you that she's a bit pregnant. > [Shocked] > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253153#253153 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 17:58:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Talked with Bill Rewey regarding Pietenpols to Oshkosh
Date: Jul 16, 2009
Dale Messner has offered to carry gas cans and meet us at Waupun. If you will need gas at Waupun you will need to provide your own fuel container with fuel. Dale will depart Brodhead early Sunday morning and is planning to be at Waupun at about 9:00am. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 2:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Talked with Bill Rewey regarding Pietenpols to Oshkosh Here is the scoop if you intend to fly into Oshkosh. You are encouraged to fly in with your own handheld radio if you like-there is no requirement to meet up at Waupun to stage. If you have a handheld radio USE IT. Borrow one, bring one, just to listen to the Fisk controllers, even if you're not the leader of a gaggle Everyone should leave Brodhead with enough fuel to reach Oshkosh-there is no fuel at Waupun. Next-and this is HUGE. The ASPHALT AT Waupun in NOT USEABLE !!!!!!!!! Only use the E-W Grass runway !!!!!!!!! Do NOT USE THE PAVEMENT. There is no gas at Waupun. Some may help meet you there with gas but be advised there is no gas at Waupun. Group leaders will get a clearance from the OSH tower via phone at Waupun and then proceed via the normal Fisk approach. The four or five ships behind the group leader SHOULD also have radios to listen up-you don't need to say a word but it is advisable to listen to what is going on. Normally there is =BD mile in-trail spacing between Fisk airplanes entering the Ripon corridor----if you're in a Piet gaggle the spacing is MUCH CLOSER..not formation flying but say 100, 200 yards behind the guy in front of you. Bill said the gaggles will fly slightly offset from the RR tracks from Ripon to Fisk so that faster traffic can pass you. (this per the Chief OSH tower controller that Bill has spoken to about this) Whatever your leader does, you follow. If cleared to 27, you follow and land on 27. You MUST read the NOTAM cover to cover ! You can obtain a NOTAM (they'll mail it to you) or print it out---Go here: http://www.airventure.org/flying/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2009
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track
Gene & Tammy wrote: > > > Dan, when you meet up with Tres would you ask him where he mounted his > SPOT? Will do! Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Max Hegler <maxhegler(at)msn.com>
Subject: Talked with Bill Rewey regarding Pietenpols to Oshkosh
Date: Jul 16, 2009
If there are more cans than Dale can handle=2C I will be driving my pickup and have plenty of room to haul some cans. I will be at Brodhead all day S aturday.Someday I will be flying! Take Care=2CMax From: gcardinal(at)comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Talked with Bill Rewey regarding Pietenpols to Oshkosh Date: Thu=2C 16 Jul 2009 06:28:27 -0500 Dale Messner has offered to carry gas cans and meet us at Waupun. If you will need gas at Waupun you will need to provide your own fuel container with fuel. Dale will depart Brodhead early Sunday morning and is planning to be at Waupun at about 9:00am. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy=2C Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday=2C July 14=2C 2009 2:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Talked with Bill Rewey regarding Pietenpols to Oshkosh Here is the scoop if you intend to fly into Oshkosh. You are encouraged to fly in with your own handheld radio if you like=97there is no requirement to meet up at Waupun to stage. If you have a handheld radio USE IT. Borrow one=2C bring one=2C just to listen to the Fisk controllers=2C even if you=92re not the leader of a gaggle Everyone should leave Brodhead with enough fuel to reach Oshkosh=97there is no fuel at Waupun. Next=97and this is HUGE. The ASPHALT AT Waupun in NOT USEABLE !!!!!!!!! Only use the E-W Grass runway !!!!!!!!! Do NOT USE THE PAVEMENT. There is no gas at Waupun. Some may help meet you there with gas but be advised there is no gas at Waupun. Group leaders will get a clearance from the OSH tower via phone at Waupun and then proceed via the normal Fisk approach. The four or five ships behind the group leader SHOULD also have radios to listen up=97you don=92t need to say a word but it is advis able to listen to what is going on. Normally there is =BD mile in-trail spacing between Fisk airplanes entering the Ripon corridor----if you=92re in a Piet gaggle the spacing is MUCH CLOSER=85.not formation flying but say 100=2C 200 yards b ehind the guy in front of you. Bill said the gaggles will fly slightly offset from the RR tracks from Ripon to Fisk so that faster traffic can pass you. (this per the Chief OSH tower controller that Bill has spoken to about this) Whatever your leader does=2C you follow. If cleared to 27=2C you follow and land on 27. You MUST read the NOTAM cover to cover ! You can obtain a NOTAM (they=92ll mail it to you) or print it out---Go here: http://www.airventure.org/flying/ href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2009
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: C37-OSH flight
What time are we planning to arrive at Waupun? About 100 sm if I remember correctly. I will probably stop at Dodge County to top off if there is no fuel at Waupun. Dad might be able to haul some cans of fuel but I am not sure. What time would he have to leave to reach Waupun in time for our arrival? If we get clearance from the OSH tower controler, are we immune from the Green, and Rush Lake holding patterns? We don't want any invounentary glider time enroute, due to fuel exaustion, and NX92GB has only about1.5 hr ful capacity with a 30 min reserve. Lastly wondering how many 75+ mph cruise piets are out there. I flew with a guy in a CH701 last week, and he clocked me at 76-84mph with my as indicator bouncing from 65-70 mph, so I guess it's off by 8-10mph. Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Contact Information
Date: Jul 16, 2009
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
For anyone that may need to contact me while at Brodhead or OSH, my cell is 515-490-5177. Safe travels to all! Jack www.textors.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: camping
From: jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com
Date: Jul 16, 2009
Does anyone know, if there is electrical available, like for plugging in a CPAP, when camping at Brodhead. My nephew want's to come up on Friday and camp over till saturday, and if I don't have my CPAP, no one in camp will sleep. Jake ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ed G." <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: camping
Date: Jul 16, 2009
Okay...I'll bite What's a CPAP????? There is no electric at the camp sites. there are a couple of outlets across the feild at the shelter. I gu ess it all depends on what a CPAP is. Subject: Pietenpol-List: camping From: jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com Date: Thu=2C 16 Jul 2009 11:15:20 -0500 Does anyone know=2C if there is electrical available=2C like for plugging i n a CPAP=2C when camping at Brodhead. My nephew want's to come up on Frid ay and camp over till saturday=2C and if I don't have my CPAP=2C no one in camp will sleep. Jake _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tut orial_QuickAdd_062009 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Talked with Bill Rewey regarding Pietenpols to Oshkosh
Date: Jul 16, 2009
Does anyone know if there is moonshine free fuel in the Brodhead area? If so I will bring fuel containers, if not I don't need them. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: gcardinal Sent: 7/16/2009 7:31:32 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Talked with Bill Rewey regarding Pietenpols to Oshkosh Dale Messner has offered to carry gas cans and meet us at Waupun. If you will need gas at Waupun you will need to provide your own fuel container with fuel. Dale will depart Brodhead early Sunday morning and is planning to be at Waupun at about 9:00am. Greg Cardinal ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Talked with Bill Rewey regarding Pietenpols to Oshkosh
Date: Jul 16, 2009
I'm stopping either at Poplar Grove or Beloit for fuel. For me coming from NW Indiana either one is on the way and close to Brodhead. I think Fuel at Beloit is around 3.62 and 3.80 at Poplar Grove. Rick Schreiber ----- Original Message ----- From: Skip Gadd Sent: 7/16/2009 12:28:19 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Talked with Bill Rewey regarding Pietenpols to Oshkosh Does anyone know if there is moonshine free fuel in the Brodhead area? If so I will bring fuel containers, if not I don't need them. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: gcardinal Sent: 7/16/2009 7:31:32 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Talked with Bill Rewey regarding Pietenpols to Oshkosh Dale Messner has offered to carry gas cans and meet us at Waupun. If you will need gas at Waupun you will need to provide your own fuel container with fuel. Dale will depart Brodhead early Sunday morning and is planning to be at Waupun at about 9:00am. Greg Cardinal ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lynn Knoll" <dknoll(at)cox.net>
Subject: Big Piets
Date: Jul 16, 2009
Does anyone know If any (or all preferably) of the six (6) Big Piets will be at Brodhead this year? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: randolf enamel and gasoline
Date: Jul 16, 2009
Hey, I got a few drops of fuel (auto) on my freshly painted (5 days) sheet metal and it attacked the paint. I used randolf enamel. Should this be happening? I thought it'd be fuel proof. Does it need to cure longer? Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: randolf enamel and gasoline
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 16, 2009
Douwe, My guess is you need a little longer cure time. I drip auto fuel on my randolph enamel quite a bit. After a while it starts to bug me enough and I rub some wax on it and it polishes back up. It never attacks it, it just leaves a little stain. I'll bet it needs about a month cure time though. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253389#253389 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2009
From: gcardinal(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Talked with Bill Rewey regarding Pietenpols to Oshkosh
http://www.molonyrealestate.com/Ethanol_Free_Gas_Stations_in_Wisconsin.html List is unverified. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:24:09 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Talked with Bill Rewey regarding Pietenpols to Oshkosh Does anyone know if there is moonshine free fuel in the Brodhead area? If s o I will bring fuel containers, if not I don't need them. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: gcardinal Sent: 7/16/2009 7:31:32 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Talked with Bill Rewey regarding Pietenpols to Oshkosh Dale Messner has offered to carry gas cans and meet us at Waupun. If you will need gas at Waupun you will need to provide your own=C2-fuel container with fuel. Dale will depart Brodhead early Sunday morning and is planning to be at Waupun at about 9:00am. Greg Cardinal == ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: camping
Date: Jul 16, 2009
What's a CPAP? There are some electrical outlets in the pavilion - usually occupied with a couple dozen cellphone chargers Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:15 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: camping Does anyone know, if there is electrical available, like for plugging in a CPAP, when camping at Brodhead. My nephew want's to come up on Friday and camp over till saturday, and if I don't have my CPAP, no one in camp will sleep. Jake ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2009
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: camping
Hard to believe, but here it is: "A CPAP (Continuous Positive Air Pressure) provides a constant flow of air into a mask system to open up the obstructed airway caused by Obstructive Sleep Apnea and other physical obstructions of the airway." I love this Piet site... why we all learn something new every day... now WTH to do with it. Tim in central TX do not achive, esp., really -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: Jul 16, 2009 3:56 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: camping Whats a CPAP? There are some electrical outlets in the pavilion usually occupied with a couple dozen cellphone chargers Jack Phillips NX899JP From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:15 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: camping Does anyone know, if there is electrical available, like for plugging in a CPAP, when camping at Brodhead. My nephew want's to come up on Friday and camp over till saturday, and if I don't have my CPAP, no one in camp will sleep. Jake http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List style=" font-size:10.0pt;color:black;="================Date: Jul 16, 2009
Subject: Re: camping
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Wow, maybe CPAP could be adapted to the bottom of a Piet wing along with vortex generators on top to create a STOL-Piet with a stall speed below 20 knots! If we put one on the top of the wing it would need to be Continuous Reverse Air Pressure or CRAP. Rick On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Tim Willis wr ote: > timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> > > Hard to believe, but here it is: > > "A CPAP (Continuous Positive Air Pressure) provides a constant flow of ai r > into a mask system to open up the obstructed airway caused by Obstructive > Sleep Apnea and other physical obstructions of the airway." > > I love this Piet site... why we all learn something new every day... now > WTH to do with it. > Tim in central TX > do not achive, esp., really > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jack Phillips > Sent: Jul 16, 2009 3:56 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: camping > > > What=92s a CPAP? > > There are some electrical outlets in the pavilion ' usually occupied wi th a > couple dozen cellphone chargers > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:15 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: camping > > > Does anyone know, if there is electrical available, like for plugging in a > CPAP, when camping at Brodhead. My nephew want's to come up on Friday a nd > camp over till saturday, and if I don't have my CPAP, no one in camp will > sleep. > > > Jake Subscription,http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List style=" > font-size:10.0pt;color:black;="============= === font-size:10.0pt;color:black; Forums!http://forums.matronics.com > style=" font-size:10.0pt;color:black;="========== ====== font-size:10.0pt;color:black; support! > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: C37-OSH flight
Date: Jul 16, 2009
Waupun is 75 sm from Brodhead. We'll plan to arrive at Waupun around 9 - 9:30. Gaggles can depart when ready. If all goes smoothly we should be on the ground in OSH between 11 - 12:00. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:15 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: C37-OSH flight > > > What time are we planning to arrive at Waupun? About 100 sm if I remember > correctly. I will probably stop at Dodge County to top off if there is no > fuel at Waupun. Dad might be able to haul some cans of fuel but I am not > sure. What time would he have to leave to reach Waupun in time for our > arrival? If we get clearance from the OSH tower controler, are we immune > from the Green, and Rush Lake holding patterns? We don't want any > invounentary glider time enroute, due to fuel exaustion, and NX92GB has > only about1.5 hr ful capacity with a 30 min reserve. Lastly wondering how > many 75+ mph cruise piets are out there. I flew with a guy in a CH701 > last week, and he clocked me at 76-84mph with my as indicator bouncing > from 65-70 mph, so I guess it's off by 8-10mph. > > Shad > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Talked with Bill Rewey regarding Pietenpols to Oshkosh
Date: Jul 16, 2009
Thanks Greg. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: 7/16/2009 3:59:32 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Talked with Bill Rewey regarding Pietenpols to Oshkosh http://www.molonyrealestate.com/Ethanol_Free_Gas_Stations_in_Wisconsin.html List is unverified. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:24:09 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Talked with Bill Rewey regarding Pietenpols to Oshkosh Does anyone know if there is moonshine free fuel in the Brodhead area? If so I will bring fuel containers, if not I don't need them. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: gcardinal Sent: 7/16/2009 7:31:32 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Talked with Bill Rewey regarding Pietenpols to Oshkosh Dale Messner has offered to carry gas cans and meet us at Waupun. If you will need gas at Waupun you will need to provide your own fuel container with fuel. Dale will depart Brodhead early Sunday morning and is planning to be at Waupun at about 9:00am. Greg Cardinal ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: camping
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 16, 2009
About fell off my chair laughing at this thread. Can't wait to meet you guys next week. For some reason I'm imagining something similar to the campfire scene in Blazing Saddles... "more beans Mr. Taggart?" If half of the stories are true, we might ALL need a CPAP. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253425#253425 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: camping
Date: Jul 16, 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9rN6oTs -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: camping About fell off my chair laughing at this thread. Can't wait to meet you guys next week. For some reason I'm imagining something similar to the campfire scene in Blazing Saddles... "more beans Mr. Taggart?" If half of the stories are true, we might ALL need a CPAP. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253425#253425 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Subject: head's up for Sunday morning departures out of Brodhead
! Sunday's Airventure Cup race (Dayton-Fond Du Lac) will bring about 50 air r acers proceeding at roughly 1000' AGL VERY close to Brodhead's east side from approximately 10:15 to noon. I realize that barring poor weather or ground fog that many airplanes will be long gone by 10 am Sunday from Brodhead but just be aware that this traffic will be coming from the southwest headed to the northeast in that timeframe. Heads on a swivel ! (the last leg of the Cup race is from Freeport (FEP) to Lomira, just south of Fond Du Lac. (FLD) As a side note, one of the racers in that race is currently building a Pie tenpol Air Camper. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: portable refueling
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Hoo, boy... speaking of gas (and I hope that thread dies a quick and odor-free death), it is possible to strap an aux tank into your passenger seat and fit it with a pump to transfer fuel into your main tank. Our friend Gary Gower from Mexico sent me details of just such a setup that is used down there (gas stations are fewer and farther between). A typical tank for boating use holds six gallons, which would provide an hour to 90 min. extended range, for about another 60-80 miles. Hmmm... maybe even fit a long hose onto the tank, allowing one airplane to feed the hose out to another airplane for air-to-air refueling?? That would be some interesting formation flying while trying to refuel, eh? We who are not able to make it to Brodhead are going to be stuck here at the keyboards just making jokes and watching lame video clips, I guess ;o) Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Subject: Re: camping
Mark, Be careful what you wish for John **************Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweu slove00000001) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: camping
From: "Paul N. Peckham" <peckham9(at)countryspeed.com>
Date: Jul 17, 2009
"Never mind that crap. Here comes Mongo"! Do not achive. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253459#253459 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2009
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track
Hi Gene, Gene & Tammy wrote: > Dan, when you meet up with Tres would you ask him where he mounted his > SPOT? > Thanks > Gene In what is sure to be a Pietenpol first, Tres has email on his plane, so I'm able to communicate with him en route. Here's what he says about the SPOT: "the spot is in the wing, we just pull an inspection cover to turn it on and off. Not ideal but anywhere else the metal fuel tank blocks it" Cheers, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Subject: Re: camping
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Ain't it the truth? :o) Hey, we got back from DL and I will be sending over the files I have so far either tonight or tomorrow... I still don't know what some of the parts are for, and a couple of them remind me of the Piper style Landing gear which is not shown on the plans... Is that what the guy you got the files from used? Mark On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:41 AM, wrote: > Mark, > > Be careful what you wish for > > John > > ------------------------------ > Can love help you live longer? Find out now<http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweuslove00000001> > . > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Subject: Re: camping
He was supposed to use the plans and the book, One thing he attempted doing was to take some of the parts that required welding and turn them into folded parts. I am not which you are describing. As to not confuse my laser guy with a bunch of emails we should accumulate all the single drawings once your convinced you got them all and put them in one single compressed file so he has them all provided we have a count for each part so that he can set it up like a copy machine Part #: XXXXX description: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX quantity required:XXX Something similar to that so he knows how many of what to cut. John **************Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweu slove00000001) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Subject: Please disregard my last
Sorry about my previous, it was not meant for display on the board, please disregard my last John **************Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweu slove00000001) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track
Date: Jul 17, 2009
What is a SPOT? IS that anything like a CPAP? -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:53 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track Hi Gene, Gene & Tammy wrote: > Dan, when you meet up with Tres would you ask him where he mounted his > SPOT? > Thanks > Gene In what is sure to be a Pietenpol first, Tres has email on his plane, so I'm able to communicate with him en route. Here's what he says about the SPOT: "the spot is in the wing, we just pull an inspection cover to turn it on and off. Not ideal but anywhere else the metal fuel tank blocks it" Cheers, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track
Date: Jul 17, 2009
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Sometimes a SHART can produce a SPOT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 12:54 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track --> What is a SPOT? IS that anything like a CPAP? -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:53 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track Hi Gene, Gene & Tammy wrote: > Dan, when you meet up with Tres would you ask him where he mounted his > SPOT? > Thanks > Gene In what is sure to be a Pietenpol first, Tres has email on his plane, so I'm able to communicate with him en route. Here's what he says about the SPOT: "the spot is in the wing, we just pull an inspection cover to turn it on and off. Not ideal but anywhere else the metal fuel tank blocks it" Cheers, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Brodhead Pilgrimage
From: "JohnC" <jcalvert(at)trinityvideo.net>
Date: Jul 17, 2009
My first trip to Brodhead next week and I talked the boss into coming along. I am as giddy as a school girl. I have construction tables completed, with my second rib in the jig, but I have never even sat in a Pietenpol before. I have seen Jim Kinsella's Piet several times, beautiful plane. I am hopeful some kind soul might offer me my first ride in their Piet. So, if you see a starry eyed middle aged man with a Louisville tee shirt wandering around babbling to himself, take him up and show him the face of God. Thanks All, See you next Friday. John Calvert -------- I just hope when it's my turn to reach up and touch the face of God, I don't poke him in the eye on accident. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253503#253503 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Brodhead Pilgrimage
Date: Jul 17, 2009
John - How much do you weigh? Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of JohnC Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Pilgrimage My first trip to Brodhead next week and I talked the boss into coming along. I am as giddy as a school girl. I have construction tables completed, with my second rib in the jig, but I have never even sat in a Pietenpol before. I have seen Jim Kinsella's Piet several times, beautiful plane. I am hopeful some kind soul might offer me my first ride in their Piet. So, if you see a starry eyed middle aged man with a Louisville tee shirt wandering around babbling to himself, take him up and show him the face of God. Thanks All, See you next Friday. John Calvert -------- I just hope when it's my turn to reach up and touch the face of God, I don't poke him in the eye on accident. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253503#253503 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brodhead Pilgrimage
From: "JohnC" <jcalvert(at)trinityvideo.net>
Date: Jul 17, 2009
175 in my skivey's, probably about 180 when dressed out for a patrol run. -------- I just hope when it's my turn to reach up and touch the face of God, I don't poke him in the eye on accident. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253505#253505 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Brodhead Pilgrimage
Date: Jul 17, 2009
I should be able to handle that amount of weight, if it's not too hot. Find me at Brodhead and we'll see what we can do. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of JohnC Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:38 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Pilgrimage 175 in my skivey's, probably about 180 when dressed out for a patrol run. -------- I just hope when it's my turn to reach up and touch the face of God, I don't poke him in the eye on accident. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253505#253505 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brodhead Pilgrimage
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Hey, wait a minute... I called shotgun a looong time ago. LOL! Glad to know that I won't be the only new guy. Sounds like there should be several of us. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253511#253511 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brodhead Pilgrimage
From: "JohnC" <jcalvert(at)trinityvideo.net>
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Thanks Jack, I have a picture of "Icarus Plummet" as my wallpaper here at work, I bet those other guys can't top that. -------- I just hope when it's my turn to reach up and touch the face of God, I don't poke him in the eye on accident. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253512#253512 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2009
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track
Jack Phillips wrote: > > What is a SPOT? IS that anything like a CPAP? Jack, Spot is this GPS tracking thingy people have been talking about on the list off and on for a while. The company was at Airventure last year giving the devices away for "free" with one year subscriptions to the service. The idea is you turn it on when you go flying, and it shoots your location info up to a satellite which shoots it back down to some web server and plots your track on a google map so your honey-bunny knows you're actually out flying and not floozin' at the nearest watering hole. N8031 has one "installed" and I/we have been tracking it from SBP to OSH: http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0XeQYjmJLJJpESJ4WgdjS2W9eSMQUx0Ql Anyway, my apologies if you were being funny and I didn't catch on. Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Nope, not being funny - just ignorant Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track Jack Phillips wrote: > > What is a SPOT? IS that anything like a CPAP? Jack, Spot is this GPS tracking thingy people have been talking about on the list off and on for a while. The company was at Airventure last year giving the devices away for "free" with one year subscriptions to the service. The idea is you turn it on when you go flying, and it shoots your location info up to a satellite which shoots it back down to some web server and plots your track on a google map so your honey-bunny knows you're actually out flying and not floozin' at the nearest watering hole. N8031 has one "installed" and I/we have been tracking it from SBP to OSH: http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0XeQYjmJLJJpESJ4 WgdjS2W9eSMQUx0Ql Anyway, my apologies if you were being funny and I didn't catch on. Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track
From: jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Jack, SPOT is a palm sized GPS tracker, google findmespot, great tool. also if you click on the link you can track Tres as he voyages northward. http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0XeQYjmJLJJpESJ4WgdjS2W9eSMQUx0Ql Jake "Jack Phillips" Sent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com 07/17/2009 01:24 PM Please respond to pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com To cc Subject RE: Pietenpol-List: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track Nope, not being funny - just ignorant Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track Jack Phillips wrote: > > What is a SPOT? IS that anything like a CPAP? Jack, Spot is this GPS tracking thingy people have been talking about on the list off and on for a while. The company was at Airventure last year giving the devices away for "free" with one year subscriptions to the service. The idea is you turn it on when you go flying, and it shoots your location info up to a satellite which shoots it back down to some web server and plots your track on a google map so your honey-bunny knows you're actually out flying and not floozin' at the nearest watering hole. N8031 has one "installed" and I/we have been tracking it from SBP to OSH: http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0XeQYjmJLJJpESJ4 WgdjS2W9eSMQUx0Ql Anyway, my apologies if you were being funny and I didn't catch on. Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for SPAM content and Viruses by the MessageL abs Email Security System. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Icarus Plummet
Date: Jul 17, 2009
I have the dubious honor of my airplane having joined Icarus Plummet in the infamous "Air Camper down" club. Or maybe it should be the "unhappy Air Camper club". I think we even had our bad incidents in the same year. Carb ice brought 41CC down; a taste for steel wool brought down Niner Niner Juliet Papa. But we're both back! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Icarus Plummet
Date: Jul 17, 2009
I think John Dilatush's "Mountain Piet" went down that same year (2004). Is it flying again yet? Jack Phillips NX899JP Icarus Plummet -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Icarus Plummet I have the dubious honor of my airplane having joined Icarus Plummet in the infamous "Air Camper down" club. Or maybe it should be the "unhappy Air Camper club". I think we even had our bad incidents in the same year. Carb ice brought 41CC down; a taste for steel wool brought down Niner Niner Juliet Papa. But we're both back! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Subject: Re: Icarus Plummet
From: Andrew M Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com>
Oh good. A place to call home. Mine was an ungracefully handled runway incursion. Should be back on it's feet soon. Andrew Eldredge NX7229R On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: > pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> > > I think John Dilatush's "Mountain Piet" went down that same year (2004). > Is > it flying again yet? > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Icarus Plummet > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar > Zuniga > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:48 PM > To: Pietenpol List > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Icarus Plummet > > > I have the dubious honor of my airplane having joined > Icarus Plummet in the infamous "Air Camper down" club. > Or maybe it should be the "unhappy Air Camper club". > I think we even had our bad incidents in the same year. > Carb ice brought 41CC down; a taste for steel wool > brought down Niner Niner Juliet Papa. > > But we're both back! > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > -- Andrew M. Eldredge Sahuarita, AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Icarus Plummet
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Mountain Piet is not quite flying yet. The wing panel that was destroyed in the forced landing has been rebuilt but hasn't been covered. The current owner, Greg Bacon, is planning to be at Brodhead this year. He'll be flying in with his 7 year old daughter in a Cessna 150. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Icarus Plummet > > > I think John Dilatush's "Mountain Piet" went down that same year (2004). > Is > it flying again yet? > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Icarus Plummet > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar > Zuniga > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:48 PM > To: Pietenpol List > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Icarus Plummet > > > I have the dubious honor of my airplane having joined > Icarus Plummet in the infamous "Air Camper down" club. > Or maybe it should be the "unhappy Air Camper club". > I think we even had our bad incidents in the same year. > Carb ice brought 41CC down; a taste for steel wool > brought down Niner Niner Juliet Papa. > > But we're both back! > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2009
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Gone West, a Good Man
Fellow Airman, Raise your glass to a dearly departed fellow aviator, who left us before his time. I am sad to say I lost a friend to an aircraft accident here at Chapman Field tues night. Larry Eberst who Dad and I shared a hanger and some good times with, passed away July 14 2009 around 8pm. Keep him and his family in your prayers. He leaves behind 2 sons and a wife, and many dear friends. Larry gave me a ride in his RV-4 when I was an 18 year old, student piolt, worked the ramp with Dad and I at many a fly-in, and will most definetly be missed by all who ever met him. Larry here's to you, That you may reach up and touch the face of God, and slip the surly bonds of earth. Sincerly, Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2009
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Bell Corvair mk-4 ready for launch
Holy moley!! Finnaly, got the engine back togeather, after 6 days of on and off, hair pulling nail bitting, beer drinking, what now? work!! Dad left about 9 pm tonight and I stayed up for 3 more hrs working on getting her done. I got the prop hub to runout to .003", and the prop to track at .005". I was this close>< to pulling it out at midnight to run it and check for vibration, but the neighbors lights were already out. I will get up at 8am and go out and test run, check for problems, and test fly to a local pankake breakfast at DLZ, where Dad is working (He doesn't know I got'er'done what a supprize he has in store!) BRODHEAD HERE COME THE BELL BOYS! Fly smart and land safe, Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Bell Corvair mk-4 ready for launch
Date: Jul 18, 2009
Way to go Shad! Nothing like perseverence. I look forward to seeing you at Brodhead next week. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 1:18 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bell Corvair mk-4 ready for launch Holy moley!! Finnaly, got the engine back togeather, after 6 days of on and off, hair pulling nail bitting, beer drinking, what now? work!! Dad left about 9 pm tonight and I stayed up for 3 more hrs working on getting her done. I got the prop hub to runout to .003", and the prop to track at .005". I was this close>< to pulling it out at midnight to run it and check for vibration, but the neighbors lights were already out. I will get up at 8am and go out and test run, check for problems, and test fly to a local pankake breakfast at DLZ, where Dad is working (He doesn't know I got'er'done what a supprize he has in store!) BRODHEAD HERE COME THE BELL BOYS! Fly smart and land safe, Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2009
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Bell Corvair mk-4 ready for launch
Shad, You and Gary have learned more about Corvairs than you planned, and perhaps more than anyone should have to. I recall your 2007-08 travails, and also your fine showing at Brodhead 2008. I have missed out on what the issue has been in this instance-- is this a new engine, or tinkering your old one? In any case, is it related to bearings, alignment, or vibration-- what? Good flying to WI! Thanks, Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> >Sent: Jul 18, 2009 1:17 AM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bell Corvair mk-4 ready for launch > > >Holy moley!! Finnaly, got the engine back togeather, after 6 days of on and off, hair pulling nail bitting, beer drinking, what now? work!! Dad left about 9 pm tonight and I stayed up for 3 more hrs working on getting her done. I got the prop hub to runout to .003", and the prop to track at .005". I was this close>< to pulling it out at midnight to run it and check for vibration, but the neighbors lights were already out. I will get up at 8am and go out and test run, check for problems, and test fly to a local pankake breakfast at DLZ, where Dad is working (He doesn't know I got'er'done what a supprize he has in store!) BRODHEAD HERE COME THE BELL BOYS! > >Fly smart and land safe, >Shad > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick N." <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Brodhead fuel
Date: Jul 18, 2009
I received another call from Brodhead. The fuel pumps still haven't been inspected, so no fuel this year. For those coming from the south, who haven't been watching the weather around here, bring a jacket and or sweatshirt. Dick N. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2009
From: Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com>
Subject: Brodhead oil change?
I will be flying in from California after replacing a cylinder on the Stinson and would like to change the oil and wash the airplane while at Brodhead and before flying to Oshkosh. Will I be able to buy 8 quarts of 15-50 Aeroshell at the field and does someone have a drain pan and space for me to get this done? I may have to wait until I retire to fly the Pfeifer Sport out since ti may take more than three days each way. Hopefully that won't be too long. Maybe we can get a whole west coast gaggle going and terrorize everyone along the route by flying at our service ceiling of 500' AGL. Leaving Sonoma on Monday and hoping to make Brodhead by Wednesday evening or Thursday morning. See you there. I'm also hoping to get some Pietenpol time while there. Darrel Jones Sonoma, CA ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2009
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: NX92GB, no longer AOG
Well we were down for a week, but it's all done now. The flywheel cracked, and we repaced it with a different, heavier duty flywheel, which happens to have a different offset to the ring gear (not as dished in as the old one), so we had to do some minor mods to make it work, which was basicaly shimming the alternator, and starter forward 1/4 inch. My friends father in law has a machine shop so he turned down the "shoulder" of the prop hub for a whopping $20, and did it on very short notice, and drove it to my hanger 2 hrs later. So we just had to make a few pieces of metal into the shapes they had to be, sprayed some chevy orange engine paint, put it togeather, and pick up the empty beer bottles, and abra cadabra presto chango ala kazam! I was able to fly over to the pankake breakfast and supprize Dad, now we just have to clean all the bugs off, so we can catch the new ones enroute to Brodhead. Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fw: Not Piet but Piet builder related
From: outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
Date: Jul 18, 2009
------Original Message------ Subject: Not Piet but Piet builder related Sent: Jul 18, 2009 1:05 PM I started building the brakes for my Affordaplane and sent pics to my dad and he decided that I needed to build a set for him as well. His Rans came with go cart drum brakes, very similar to what I've seen on many Piets. On the Rans, they sucked at best. Even after replacing the shoes and drums they would lock up or squeal wickedly. I replaced them last night with Avid BB7 disk brakes from a mountain bike. They are cable activated. I had to machine some rather large brake hubs to space the rotor out far enough to let the caliper clear the tires. I replaced the old backing plate with an .090 4130 caliper bracket. We flew them last night and they were great. They held good during normal preflight run up. They were nice and smooth and progressive while turning and taxiing. We could lock the tires up in the grass. I did a couple of my best touch and goes at Ennis. While on the hard runway I clamped them down pretty hard at 30mph and they had lots of stopping power. The whole system with hubs, rotors, calipers, and cables weighed less than 4lbs. I already have motorcycle disk brakes for the Piet, but wonder if I shouldn't get another set of Avid brakes to reduce weight. Anyways, just an option for those that haven't bought brakes yet. Jeremy in Dallas Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2009
Subject: Re: Brodhead oil change?
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Darrel, There's no FBO at Brodhead, so you'd be hoping to find someone that happens to have 8 quarts of Aeroshell 15/50 to sell you. I'm not involved up there in any way, so maybe someone local can say for sure whether or not you could get some space to do an oil change. I would think so, but that's just speculation on my part. As far as getting oil, Poplar Grove Airport (C77) would be a place to pick some up, along with fuel. They have a wash area near the maintenance hangar where you could wash the plane; I wouldn't think they would object to that, since you would have bought oil/fuel. I don't know if they would let you borrow the equipment to change your oil and let you do it there. I would think they would prefer you pay the shop to do it. But it might be worth a phone call to ask. The flight office is 815-544-3471. Couldn't hurt to explain your situation and see what they say. Worst case, if a stop at Poplar Grove is not on your itinerary, we'll be coming through Belvidere on Wednesday (the Poplar Grove Airport is just north of town) and can pick up 8 qts of oil for you. Their price is currently $5.68 per quart. We'll be coming out to the Brodhead Airport on Thursday morning. Just let us know if you want us to snag some. Have a safe flight! Ryan On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Darrel Jones wrote: > > I will be flying in from California after replacing a cylinder on the > Stinson and would like to change the oil and wash the airplane while at > Brodhead and before flying to Oshkosh. Will I be able to buy 8 quarts of > 15-50 Aeroshell at the field and does someone have a drain pan and space for > me to get this done? > > I may have to wait until I retire to fly the Pfeifer Sport out since ti may > take more than three days each way. Hopefully that won't be too long. Maybe > we can get a whole west coast gaggle going and terrorize everyone along the > route by flying at our service ceiling of 500' AGL. > > Leaving Sonoma on Monday and hoping to make Brodhead by Wednesday evening > or Thursday morning. > > See you there. I'm also hoping to get some Pietenpol time while there. > > Darrel Jones > Sonoma, CA > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: NX92GB, no longer AOG
Date: Jul 18, 2009
Good going, Shad. You've earned a good trip to Brodhead this year. I'll see you there. Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 1:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX92GB, no longer AOG Well we were down for a week, but it's all done now. The flywheel cracked, and we repaced it with a different, heavier duty flywheel, which happens to have a different offset to the ring gear (not as dished in as the old one), so we had to do some minor mods to make it work, which was basicaly shimming the alternator, and starter forward 1/4 inch. My friends father in law has a machine shop so he turned down the "shoulder" of the prop hub for a whopping $20, and did it on very short notice, and drove it to my hanger 2 hrs later. So we just had to make a few pieces of metal into the shapes they had to be, sprayed some chevy orange engine paint, put it togeather, and pick up the empty beer bottles, and abra cadabra presto chango ala kazam! I was able to fly over to the pankake breakfast and supprize Dad, now we just have to clean all the bugs off, so we can catch the new ones enroute to Brodhead. Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fw: Not Piet but Piet builder related
Date: Jul 18, 2009
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
I would be doubtful that a brake designed for a bicycle would have the stopping power required for a full-sized aircraft. If you figure the typical adult mountainbike rider to be about 200 pounds, plus the weight of the bike, and allowing for stopping power of say 2 G's, the brakes would need about 500 pounds of stopping power. The average Piet is going to weigh in around 1200 pounds (twice what the Affordaplane weighs in at), so it's going to have a whole lot more momentum for the brakes to deal with than what it's designed for. Also, there's the issue of how they will stand up to repeated use. Maybe they worked all right when you tried them last night, but how will they perform a couple months from now? Or a year? Maybe okay, maybe not ... Time will tell. On the other hand, maybe the brakes are way over-sized for use on bikes, and can do the job on a Piet. Would be a really nice, light-weight option if they can do the job. Bill C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2009
From: Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com>
Subject: Re: Brodhead oil change?
Ryan, Thanks for the offer. With the fuel pumps down at Brodhead I'll stop at Poplar Grove and re-fuel and buy the oil. I think I would rather get camp set up at Brodhead first then wash the plane and change the oil. I know a couple people at Brodhead but haven't talked to them to see if they will be there for the Pietenpol weekend. See you there! Darrel Ryan Mueller wrote: > Darrel, > > There's no FBO at Brodhead, so you'd be hoping to find someone that > happens to have 8 quarts of Aeroshell 15/50 to sell you. I'm not > involved up there in any way, so maybe someone local can say for sure > whether or not you could get some space to do an oil change. I would > think so, but that's just speculation on my part. > > As far as getting oil, Poplar Grove Airport (C77) would be a place to > pick some up, along with fuel. They have a wash area near the > maintenance hangar where you could wash the plane; I wouldn't think > they would object to that, since you would have bought oil/fuel. I > don't know if they would let you borrow the equipment to change your > oil and let you do it there. I would think they would prefer you pay > the shop to do it. But it might be worth a phone call to ask. The > flight office is 815-544-3471. Couldn't hurt to explain your situation > and see what they say. > > Worst case, if a stop at Poplar Grove is not on your itinerary, we'll > be coming through Belvidere on Wednesday (the Poplar Grove Airport is > just north of town) and can pick up 8 qts of oil for you. Their price > is currently $5.68 per quart. We'll be coming out to the Brodhead > Airport on Thursday morning. Just let us know if you want us to snag some. > > Have a safe flight! > > Ryan ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fw: Not Piet but Piet builder related
From: outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
Date: Jul 18, 2009
Dad's Rans that we tried the brakes on last night is 1200lbs gross. We were probably 100lbs under that with 1/3 tanks of fuel and had more than enough stopping power. I tried them on a mountain bike and they could easily throw me over the bars at 180lbs. On a bike mostly the front brake does most of the work. On a plane they share duty. I have to admit, I was shaking in my boots when we taxied out last night and felt a sigh of relief when the actually worked. Jeremy ------Original Message------ From: Bill Church Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Not Piet but Piet builder related Sent: Jul 18, 2009 2:01 PM I would be doubtful that a brake designed for a bicycle would have the stopping power required for a full-sized aircraft. If you figure the typical adult mountainbike rider to be about 200 pounds, plus the weight of the bike, and allowing for stopping power of say 2 G's, the brakes would need about 500 pounds of stopping power. The average Piet is going to weigh in around 1200 pounds (twice what the Affordaplane weighs in at), so it's going to have a whole lot more momentum for the brakes to deal with than what it's designed for. Also, there's the issue of how they will stand up to repeated use. Maybe they worked all right when you tried them last night, but how will they perform a couple months from now? Or a year? Maybe okay, maybe not ... Time will tell. On the other hand, maybe the brakes are way over-sized for use on bikes, and can do the job on a Piet. Would be a really nice, light-weight option if they can do the job. Bill C. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2009
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Hie away to Brodhead
Well......I left my hangar in AR Thursday early and now it's Saturday after noon. I have been hammered by headwinds and turbulence for two solid days. My ground speed has been about 47 mph which makes for a LOT more fuel stops than planned and the buffeting from the winds really makes for long days e ven though the flight hours are few. Ya' gotta be really, really flexible w ith your schedule when you fly XC in a Piet. - The old Ford doesn't know the difference as it slobbers oil everywhere and keeps the prop spinning steadily at 1850. Bless it's little 80 year old hea rt. - As is typical, I have been met by true Americans and had some-great tales told to me by- ag pilots who are pretty much grounded wherever I go by t he winds and cold (63 degrees this morning in W. KY). - I am spending the night in an ag pilot's office in Vincinnes, IL. Great guy and very hospitable. He even insisted I take his brand new Ford F-350 for the night.....like I have anywhere to go. But, the Piet has a hangar and I have a warm place to put my air mattress. It just doesn't get any better. I hope he doesn't mind me using his computer for this! - Tomorrow (or Monday) I'll try to make it to my rendezvous point to meet up with-Frank Pavliga and Andrew King-and a few other "aeroplane" types fo r some fun prior to turning back to the northwest and Brodhead on Thursday. .......or Friday. - I can almost visualize all the little Piets being drawn to Brodhead form- every direction like moths to a light. See ya' there! - Larry W- xcg, xcmr, epp=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2009
Subject: Re: Hie away to Brodhead
From: Andrew M Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com>
Larry, You paint a fantastic picture with your words. It put me right back in the pit over central Utah doing 35mph over the ground being bumped around and getting airsick. Fortunately the wind was right down the runway at Richfield (RIF). If I remember correctly, I didn't need any throttle to back-taxi to the tiedown, and I was glad when the gentleman operating the place held the strut so I could get out. One of these day's I'll finish writing the full illustrated account. In the meantime, If things go my way, I'll have the undercarriage back in place before the weekend's building window has expired. Andrew On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Lawrence Williams wrote: > Well......I left my hangar in AR Thursday early and now it's Saturday > afternoon. I have been hammered by headwinds and turbulence for two solid > days. My ground speed has been about 47 mph which makes for a LOT more fuel > stops than planned and the buffeting from the winds really makes for long > days even though the flight hours are few. Ya' gotta be really, really > flexible with your schedule when you fly XC in a Piet. > > The old Ford doesn't know the difference as it slobbers oil everywhere and > keeps the prop spinning steadily at 1850. Bless it's little 80 year old > heart. > > As is typical, I have been met by true Americans and had some great tales > told to me by ag pilots who are pretty much grounded wherever I go by the > winds and cold (63 degrees this morning in W. KY). > > I am spending the night in an ag pilot's office in Vincinnes, IL. Great guy > and very hospitable. He even insisted I take his brand new Ford F-350 for > the night.....like I have anywhere to go. But, the Piet has a hangar and I > have a warm place to put my air mattress. It just doesn't get any better. I > hope he doesn't mind me using his computer for this! > > Tomorrow (or Monday) I'll try to make it to my rendezvous point to meet up > with Frank Pavliga and Andrew King and a few other "aeroplane" types for > some fun prior to turning back to the northwest and Brodhead on > Thursday.......or Friday. > > I can almost visualize all the little Piets being drawn to Brodhead > form every direction like moths to a light. See ya' there! > > Larry W xcg, xcmr, epp > > * > > * > > -- Andrew M. Eldredge Sahuarita, AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2009
From: Mike Tunnicliffe <zk-owl(at)CLEAR.NET.NZ>
Subject: Re: Fw: Not Piet but Piet builder related
The New Zealand made Bantam Microlight aircraft (about 1000 pounds gross) uses pushbike disc brakes and they are more than adequate. Better than the Azuza drums on my Jodel. Regards Mike T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 7:01 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Not Piet but Piet builder related > > > > I would be doubtful that a brake designed for a bicycle would have the > stopping power required for a full-sized aircraft. > If you figure the typical adult mountainbike rider to be about 200 > pounds, plus the weight of the bike, and allowing for stopping power of > say 2 G's, the brakes would need about 500 pounds of stopping power. The > average Piet is going to weigh in around 1200 pounds (twice what the > Affordaplane weighs in at), so it's going to have a whole lot more > momentum for the brakes to deal with than what it's designed for. Also, > there's the issue of how they will stand up to repeated use. Maybe they > worked all right when you tried them last night, but how will they > perform a couple months from now? Or a year? Maybe okay, maybe not ... > Time will tell. > On the other hand, maybe the brakes are way over-sized for use on bikes, > and can do the job on a Piet. Would be a really nice, light-weight > option if they can do the job. > > Bill C. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fw: Not Piet but Piet builder related
Date: Jul 18, 2009
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Of course, the diameter of the wheels on the aircraft will make a huge difference. If small diameter wheels are used, the effectiveness of the brakes will be much higher. However, if one is building a traditional Pietenpol (with either large, spoked motorcycle-type wheels or large diameter air wheels) the required braking force will be pretty high, and bicycle brakes will not likely be up to the task. But if a Piet is equipped with small wheels, the brakes may be sufficient - but the plane will be UGLY (in my biased opinion). Bill C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Brodhead 0-235
From: "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au>
Date: Jul 18, 2009
Hi all Hopefully everyone hasn't left yet But if there happens to be an 0-235 powered Peit there could some one kindly get some info on the engine mount measurements pictures etc? Hope you all have a great time and hope to see you there next year. Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253659#253659 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chet's Mail" <Chethartley1(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: Shut off Valve
Date: Jul 18, 2009
Does any one know of a source for a inlive brass body plug fuel shut off vave. I've checked aircraft spruce and wicks, they have the three and four but no two or inline. Don Hicks piet now has it's 40 hour restriction flown off, YEA. Chet Hartley N920Y ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Shut off Valve
From: "skellytown flyer" <rhano(at)att.net>
Date: Jul 18, 2009
mine is a typical brass body ball valve with nylon seats.could be found at about any pipe supply or hardware store.seems to work fine in test.haven't got to fly it yet but soon.I think it is a better option than a plug valve.( and by the way I used the teflon paste sealer in a tube from the auto parts store-seems to hold perfectly so far with 100 L.L.)I mounted it crossways under the tank outlet and made an extension rod handle to bring it back under the front panel so it can be operated without reaching clear down under the tank. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253669#253669 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Shut off Valve
Date: Jul 18, 2009
If I correctly understand what you are asking for, you can use the ones available in the plumbing section at your favorite big-box home store. There was an active discussion on the list about these 4-5 years ago, and the conclusion was that they are the same valve that A.S.S. sold at the time for about 1/8 the cost. I believe there are several out there flying on Piets now. Kip Gardner On Jul 18, 2009, at 8:39 PM, Chet's Mail wrote: > Does any one know of a source for a inlive brass body plug fuel > shut off vave. I've checked aircraft spruce and wicks, they have > the three and four but no two or inline. > > Don Hicks piet now has it's 40 hour restriction flown off, YEA. > > Chet Hartley > N920Y > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Shut off Valve
Date: Jul 18, 2009
And it will be the same thing that ACS sells you but at ACE hardware it will cost you half as much. Michael in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: "skellytown flyer" <rhano(at)att.net> > > mine is a typical brass body ball valve with nylon seats.could be found at about any pipe supply or hardware store.seems to work fine in test.haven't got to fly it yet but soon.I think it is a better option than a plug valve.( and by the way I used the teflon paste sealer in a tube from the auto parts store-seems to hold perfectly so far with 100 L.L.)I mounted it crossways under the tank outlet and made an extension rod handle to bring it back under the front panel so it can be operated without reaching clear down under the tank. Raymond > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: possibly driving to Brodhead, pets ok?
From: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 18, 2009
It looks like my schedule just might work out for me to make my very first trip to Brodhead this year. My wife and possibly our daughter will be tagging along, and bringing camping gear to stay overnight Friday and leaving Saturday afternoon. The big question, is it ok to bring along our 11 year old family dog? He doesn't bite, will be kept on a leash at all times and we will clean up after him. Is there anybody who would object to a dog on the field? I suppose if we had to we could find somebody to watch him here at the house while we are there, but we'd really prefer to bring him along. I'm usually just lurking in the background here on the list 99% of the time, but I'm really looking forward to putting faces with names, and seeing all the great craftsmanship in person that I've only seen in photos on the list... I'll definitely have my camera with me, and a notepad to make notes on things that catch my attention. Billy McCaskill tail feathers done, needing to obtain more wood Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253676#253676 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: possibly driving to Brodhead, pets ok?
Date: Jul 18, 2009
They let spamcans land there (I flew an RV-4 in there a couple of years ago) - I would think a dog would be less objectionable. Jack Phillips NX899JP Hoping the weather is going to be better than forecast, or dogs on the field will be the least of our problems -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Billy McCaskill Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: possibly driving to Brodhead, pets ok? It looks like my schedule just might work out for me to make my very first trip to Brodhead this year. My wife and possibly our daughter will be tagging along, and bringing camping gear to stay overnight Friday and leaving Saturday afternoon. The big question, is it ok to bring along our 11 year old family dog? He doesn't bite, will be kept on a leash at all times and we will clean up after him. Is there anybody who would object to a dog on the field? I suppose if we had to we could find somebody to watch him here at the house while we are there, but we'd really prefer to bring him along. I'm usually just lurking in the background here on the list 99% of the time, but I'm really looking forward to putting faces with names, and seeing all the great craftsmanship in person that I've only seen in photos on the list... I'll definitely have my camera with me, and a notepad to make notes on things that catch my attention. Billy McCaskill tail feathers done, needing to obtain more wood Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253676#253676 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "ALAN LYSCARS" <alyscars(at)myfairpoint.net>
Subject: OSH Meet
Date: Jul 18, 2009
Gents: Sorry if I missed an earlier thread. I'll be at Airventure Tuesday and Wednesday July 28 & 29. I'm flying Southwest via Midway and car rental for the final nine yards. Will you guys be meeting anywhere at Whitman during those two days? I'd surly like to stick out my paw, say "hi", and try out a few of my new lines of aviator's lies and bullshit. Looking forward to returning to Mecca after five years in Purgatory! Al Lyscars Manchester, NH ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: OSH Meet
Date: Jul 18, 2009
Go to the brown arch at the main entrance to the flightline. That is where we will be parked. Wear a nametag and don't be shy about introducing yourself. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: ALAN LYSCARS To: Piet List Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: OSH Meet Gents: Sorry if I missed an earlier thread. I'll be at Airventure Tuesday and Wednesday July 28 & 29. I'm flying Southwest via Midway and car rental for the final nine yards. Will you guys be meeting anywhere at Whitman during those two days? I'd surly like to stick out my paw, say "hi", and try out a few of my new lines of aviator's lies and bullshit. Looking forward to returning to Mecca after five years in Purgatory! Al Lyscars Manchester, NH ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2009
Subject: Re: possibly driving to Brodhead, pets ok?
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Billy, The Midwest Antique Airplane Club fly-in is at Brodhead every September. Here is the pet policy listed in the newsletter from last August, which contained all the info for the fly-in: "Pet policy states that pets must be on a leash and must not be left unattended. Pets are not permitted in the food area." It does not explicitly state whether that is an airport or MAAC policy, but I would think it would be safe to assume it would apply for most fly-ins at Brodhead. Ryan On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Billy McCaskill wrote: > > It looks like my schedule just might work out for me to make my very first > trip to Brodhead this year. My wife and possibly our daughter will be > tagging along, and bringing camping gear to stay overnight Friday and > leaving Saturday afternoon. The big question, is it ok to bring along our > 11 year old family dog? He doesn't bite, will be kept on a leash at all > times and we will clean up after him. Is there anybody who would object to > a dog on the field? I suppose if we had to we could find somebody to watch > him here at the house while we are there, but we'd really prefer to bring > him along. > > I'm usually just lurking in the background here on the list 99% of the > time, but I'm really looking forward to putting faces with names, and seeing > all the great craftsmanship in person that I've only seen in photos on the > list... I'll definitely have my camera with me, and a notepad to make notes > on things that catch my attention. > > Billy McCaskill > tail feathers done, needing to obtain more wood > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253676#253676 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: possibly driving to Brodhead, pets ok?
From: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 18, 2009
Thanks for the replies. Sounds like it should be ok to bring the dog along. I will instruct him not to go around bothering people or begging for rides in Piets, although I might be doing just that myself. :) Jack, is it ok if I let the dog pee on the tires of those mangy stray RV's that might show up? 8) Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL / Baton Rouge, LA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253691#253691 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TGSTONE236(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 19, 2009
Subject: BRODHEAD
I'VE SAT HERE READING ALL OF YOUR EMAILS ON GOING TO THE "MECCA" OF PIETENPOLS .I THINK I HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO GET THERE, PARK THE MOTOR HOME AND BE READY FOR THE CHANCE TO MEET YOU THAT I'VE GROWN TO RECOGNIZE ON THE LIST AND MATCH NAMES TO FACES. I'LL BE PULLING OUT FROM WILMINGTON NC AT NOON ON MY WAY. IF ALL GOES WELL I WILL SEE YOU THERE. TED STONE CORVAIR POWERED PIET **************Snoop, Lil Wayne, Lady GaGa -- land the tix you need for this summer's biggest tours. Tourtracker.com (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000007) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "ALAN LYSCARS" <alyscars(at)myfairpoint.net>
Subject: Re: OSH Meet
Date: Jul 19, 2009
Thanks Greg, See you there. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: gcardinal To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:24 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OSH Meet Go to the brown arch at the main entrance to the flightline. That is where we will be parked. Wear a nametag and don't be shy about introducing yourself. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: ALAN LYSCARS To: Piet List Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: OSH Meet Gents: Sorry if I missed an earlier thread. I'll be at Airventure Tuesday and Wednesday July 28 & 29. I'm flying Southwest via Midway and car rental for the final nine yards. Will you guys be meeting anywhere at Whitman during those two days? I'd surly like to stick out my paw, say "hi", and try out a few of my new lines of aviator's lies and bullshit. Looking forward to returning to Mecca after five years in Purgatory! Al Lyscars Manchester, NH href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "delliott(at)cableone.net" <delliott(at)cableone.net>
Subject: Pietenpol Meet
Date: Jul 19, 2009
Hello to all. You do not know me, but I know most of you from all of the post to the board over the last 10 years. It is the high light of my day to get home from work to find out what has been going on in the Pietenpol world. I have monitored this list since before Mike C built his blue plane, Corkey started his first one, or Steve E flew from Utah. I purchased a partial built plane from Jim Markel. Avery year at this time I dream of flying to Brodhead, but my wife and I have our anniversary during the meet. This year I have finally got the OK to go.I will not be in a Pietenpol but will be flying a blue and white 172 Cessna with my 25 year old son, Cody. We should be there on Wednesday after noon. Our plan is to stay through the meet and heed to Oshkosh on Sunday.I will enjoy getting to put a face with all of the good people on the list. Thank you for allowing me to follow along on all of you building adventures. Until we meet, I hope you have clear sky, smooth air, and steady tail winds. Dean Elliott Pampa,Texas ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Shut off Valve
Date: Jul 19, 2009
I'll relate my experience with fuel shutoff valves (on-off). Corky had a genuine Cessna part on the airplane when I got it. Quarter- turn, plug style. Image at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/P1080006.JPG I made the mistake of dismantling it for cleaning, which was a good thing because water had taken its toll on the steel spring over time, but the bad part was that it took a real trick to get it back together again. But the bottom line is that despite overhauling it, it weeped from the stem and there are blue fuel stains on the front cockpit floor to show that. I needed to change it but didn't want a comparable Cessna part... $480!!! Next attempt was a quarter-turn ball valve from Lowe's, with male NPT threads on one end and female on the other. Kind of a polished or chrome finish. I found it in the compressed air accessory section and it seemed to be no different from similar valves that were rated water-oil-gas and this is a very low pressure application. Price was right. Valve started leaking after about 30-40 hours. Latest attempt uses the brass body 1/4-turn ball valve that both Wicks and Aircraft Spruce offer. It has female NPT threads both ends and I modified the handle by adding a shaped tab to allow the same fuel shutoff cable to act on the handle with proper leverage because the geometry was different from the Cessna valve. So far, so good. The valve was probably ten bucks and is a very common configuration for ball valves but I haven't seen any that small at my local hardware stores. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb(at)charter.net>
Subject: Weather
Date: Jul 19, 2009
Looked at the longer range weather forecast today for the Wisconsin, Illinois and Michigan area. Lets all start doing the good weather dance!--Jim Lagowski ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gone West, a Good Man
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 19, 2009
http://www.mansfieldnewsjournal.com/article/20090715/UPDATES01/907150311?FORM=ZZNR6 -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253779#253779 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2009
Subject: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels?
From: Ken Chambers <ken.riffic(at)gmail.com>
Anyone with motorcycle wheel experience care to offer an opinion on these dirt bike wheels? Think they'd be strong enough to handle the side loads? Any thoughts on attaching brakes? Machining them for a bigger axle? Or could keep the existing bearings with a solid axle? I've emailed to ask hub width and axle diameter but haven't heard back yet. Looks like the hub width is maybe 3 inches? http://contact.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ShowCoreAskSellerQuestion&&iid=190248078501&requested=giovannibikes&frm=284&redirect=0&noredirectfaq=1&SSPageName=PageAskSellerQuestion_FAQ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Subject: Finally, work space!
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
We are very happy to say that we have finally found somewhere we can put our Piet project! We will be renting the main level of a 125 year old barn at Olson Airport (private, LL53). Lot's of space, and our Piet will now be 1 hour from our place instead of 2.5. We haven't made much actual build progress this year, but I think overall we have made the most progress this year. We purchased Del Magsam's project, so we have the basic fuse and wing complete (although we will be cutting the wing in half). We have, and will shortly be receiving, many engine parts. And we now have space where we can build our Piet, that we can actually get to often! http://s972.photobucket.com/albums/ae210/rmpanzer23/ Woohoo!! Can't wait to see everyone at Brodhead (rain or shine). Ryan ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Finally, work space!
Date: Jul 20, 2009
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Ryan, Fond memories of Olson Airport. I had my Champ tied-down behind the big hangar back in 1976-81. Really couldn't afford an airplane, but had it anyway. Was so poor I had to take it apart and store it in my garage in the winter. Couldn't afford the $25.00/mo. tie-down fee!!? Good luck!!!! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:57 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Finally, work space! We are very happy to say that we have finally found somewhere we can put our Piet project! We will be renting the main level of a 125 year old barn at Olson Airport (private, LL53). Lot's of space, and our Piet will now be 1 hour from our place instead of 2.5. We haven't made much actual build progress this year, but I think overall we have made the most progress this year. We purchased Del Magsam's project, so we have the basic fuse and wing complete (although we will be cutting the wing in half). We have, and will shortly be receiving, many engine parts. And we now have space where we can build our Piet, that we can actually get to often! http://s972.photobucket.com/albums/ae210/rmpanzer23/ Woohoo!! Can't wait to see everyone at Brodhead (rain or shine). Ryan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Finally, work space!
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Very Cool, Ryan! Was that Jess in the pictures? I could have sworn she was blonde last year at Brodhead. Or is that your "airplane mistress" in the pictures? Even one hour away still makes building an airplane much more of a challenge. I built mine in my basement - don't know if I would have been able to finish it if I had to drive an hour each way, then get there and realize I had not brought some tool I needed. My hat's off to you. Looking forward to seeing you and your blonde or brunette wife at Brodhead in a few more days. Jack Phillips NX899JP Icarus Plummet _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 1:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Finally, work space! We are very happy to say that we have finally found somewhere we can put our Piet project! We will be renting the main level of a 125 year old barn at Olson Airport (private, LL53). Lot's of space, and our Piet will now be 1 hour from our place instead of 2.5. We haven't made much actual build progress this year, but I think overall we have made the most progress this year. We purchased Del Magsam's project, so we have the basic fuse and wing complete (although we will be cutting the wing in half). We have, and will shortly be receiving, many engine parts. And we now have space where we can build our Piet, that we can actually get to often! http://s972.photobucket.com/albums/ae210/rmpanzer23/ Woohoo!! Can't wait to see everyone at Brodhead (rain or shine). Ryan ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: On my way
From: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Getting ready to board the silver bird to mecca. Safe travels my friends looking to see you all there John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Jim Markle's Piet
Date: Jul 20, 2009
"delliott" wrote- >I purchased a partial built plane from Jim Markel. Wait. Is this the Jim Markle from Oklahoma? So he sold his Piet project and is out of the game? Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels?
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Ken, You will likely get the usual discussion on the pros & cons of using motorcycle wheels, so you will have to make your own decision on that. I bought 21=94 Harley Sportster wheels with the bearings replaced to receive 1=94 axles. I then used Dick Navatril=92s idea of an 1 =BC=94 axle (tube) with step-down tubes installed. My step-down tubes run in about 18=94 on each end, with the 1=94 OD axle being the last. I had to actually mil this one as it was .004=94 over 1=94! =93Wheels 1=94 shows that the Harley hub has 5 pre-drilled and threaded holes for the disc brake set up on motorcycles. I match-drilled this layout on my drub brake shoe and attached the shoe with a cover disc (=931187=94). The wheels you are showing have a very interesting spoke attach method, and you may be challenged to find a way to attach brakes, either disc or drum. I am certainly no expert, and mine is not flight-proven. Good luck!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down=85) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Chambers Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:59 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels? Anyone with motorcycle wheel experience care to offer an opinion on these dirt bike wheels? Think they'd be strong enough to handle the side loads? Any thoughts on attaching brakes? Machining them for a bigger axle? Or could keep the existing bearings with a solid axle? I've emailed to ask hub width and axle diameter but haven't heard back yet. Looks like the hub width is maybe 3 inches? http://contact.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ShowCoreAskSellerQues tio n <http://contact.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ShowCoreAskSellerQue sti on&&iid=190248078501&requested=giovannibikes&frm=284&redirect=0&n oredirectfa q=1&SSPageName=PageAskSellerQuestion_FAQ> &&iid=190248078501&requested=giovannibikes&frm=284&redirect=0&nor edirectfaq 1&SSPageName=PageAskSellerQuestion_FAQ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2009
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Jim Markle's Piet
Sell MY projecdt????? This is pathetic!!!! :-) What's really interesting about this is that I was helping Larry Neal sell his project (and Dean bought it) and just recently heard from Larry.... So here's a note from Dean after all this time and also Larry! Strange how events sometimes line up! Look forward to seeing you again Dean! Jim "I have not....will not...ain't never gonna...SELL MY PROJECT!!!" Markle In Oklahoma -----Original Message----- >From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> >Sent: Jul 20, 2009 8:03 AM >To: Pietenpol List >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jim Markle's Piet > > >"delliott" wrote- > >>I purchased a partial built plane from Jim Markel. > >Wait. Is this the Jim Markle from Oklahoma? So he >sold his Piet project and is out of the game? > >Oscar Zuniga >Air Camper NX41CC >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "delliott(at)cableone.net" <delliott(at)cableone.net>
Subject: Re: Jim Markle's Piet
Date: Jul 20, 2009
I bought the Pietenpol project from him when he was still living in Plano, TX. As Far as I know, he is getting close to finishing the other one that he kept. Dean Elliott On Mon Jul 20 6:03 , Oscar Zuniga sent: > > >"delliott" wrote- > >>I purchased a partial built plane from Jim Markel. > >Wait. Is this the Jim Markle from Oklahoma? So he >sold his Piet project and is out of the game? > >Oscar Zuniga >Air Camper NX41CC >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2009
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Jim Markle's Piet
Hey Dean, I think Oscar was "yanking your lariet"..... He knows I wouldn't sell (unless some family issue) do note archive -----Original Message----- >From: "delliott(at)cableone.net" <delliott(at)cableone.net> >Sent: Jul 20, 2009 10:58 AM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jim Markle's Piet > > >I bought the Pietenpol project from him when he was still living in Plano, TX. As >Far as I know, he is getting close to finishing the other one that he kept. > >Dean Elliott > > >On Mon Jul 20 6:03 , Oscar Zuniga sent: > >> >> >>"delliott" wrote- >> >>>I purchased a partial built plane from Jim Markel. >> >>Wait. Is this the Jim Markle from Oklahoma? So he >>sold his Piet project and is out of the game? >> >>Oscar Zuniga >>Air Camper NX41CC >>San Antonio, TX >>mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com >>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net >> >> >> >> > > >---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fuselage strips
From: "chase143" <chase143(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Hello all, Plans call for filler strips (spruce 1/8" x 1/4") between gussets on fuselage. I'm not confident my old table saw can cut consistent strips that thin. Anything wrong with using 1/8" Finnish birch plywood strips? Any other gotchas out there? Looking forward to Brodhead/Osh!! Thanks Steve Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253887#253887 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Fuselage strips
Date: Jul 20, 2009
That will work, Steve - it's just a bit heavier. I actually made my strips 1/4" of spruce - easier to work with (you can use left over rib capstrip material) it gets the fabric a bit further off the plywood. My stringers stood about 2" high off the plywood at the highest point (mid fuselage), tapering fore and aft to fit flush against the filler strips at the firewall and to blend into the tailpost at the rear. Just think how you want the fabric to flow and give it support to make it do what you want. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of chase143 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 10:35 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage strips Hello all, Plans call for filler strips (spruce 1/8" x 1/4") between gussets on fuselage. I'm not confident my old table saw can cut consistent strips that thin. Anything wrong with using 1/8" Finnish birch plywood strips? Any other gotchas out there? Looking forward to Brodhead/Osh!! Thanks Steve Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253887#253887 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Subject: Re: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels?
From: Ken Chambers <ken.riffic(at)gmail.com>
Thanks Gary. That's a beautiful setup you have. I have no machining skills or tools so I'm trying to figure out a way to do it as simply as possible with the split axle gear. I wonder if anyone uses solid axles? Heavier, sure, but would it hold up. O n a motorcycle it's supported on both ends by the fork. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Ken, > > > You will likely get the usual discussion on the pros & cons of using > motorcycle wheels, so you will have to make your own decision on that. I > bought 21=94 Harley Sportster wheels with the bearings replaced to receiv e 1=94 > axles. I then used Dick Navatril=92s idea of an 1 =BC=94 axle (tube) with > step-down tubes installed. My step-down tubes run in about 18=94 on each end, > with the 1=94 OD axle being the last. I had to actually mil this one as i t was > .004=94 over 1=94! > > > =93Wheels 1=94 shows that the Harley hub has 5 pre-drilled and threaded h oles > for the disc brake set up on motorcycles. I match-drilled this layout on my > drub brake shoe and attached the shoe with a cover disc (=931187=94). > > > The wheels you are showing have a very interesting spoke attach method, a nd > you may be challenged to find a way to attach brakes, either disc or drum . > > > I am certainly no expert, and mine is not flight-proven. Good luck!! > > > Gary Boothe > > Cool, Ca. > > Pietenpol > > WW Corvair Conversion > > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > > (13 ribs down=85) > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Chambers > *Sent:* Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:59 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels? > > > Anyone with motorcycle wheel experience care to offer an opinion on these > dirt bike wheels? > > Think they'd be strong enough to handle the side loads? Any thoughts on > attaching brakes? Machining them for a bigger axle? Or could keep the > existing bearings with a solid axle? > > I've emailed to ask hub width and axle diameter but haven't heard back ye t. > Looks like the hub width is maybe 3 inches? > > > http://contact.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ShowCoreAskSellerQues tion&&iid=190248078501&requested=giovannibikes&frm=284&redirect=0&n oredirectfaq=1&SSPageName=PageAskSellerQuestion_FAQ > > -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels?
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Ken, I have no machining skills, or tools, either. Attached is a picture of how I made it happen: Just figured out a way to chuck the axle to one of my =BD=94 drills and used wet-or-dry paper to remove the steel; took about 45 minutes ' 1 hour per axle. A solid axle is being used by many, but you did not say how big of an axle your bearings might take. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down=85) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Chambers Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:21 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels? Thanks Gary. That's a beautiful setup you have. I have no machining skills or tools so I'm trying to figure out a way to do it as simply as possible with the split axle gear. I wonder if anyone uses solid axles? Heavier, sure, but would it hold up. On a motorcycle it's supported on both ends by the fork. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: Ken, You will likely get the usual discussion on the pros & cons of using motorcycle wheels, so you will have to make your own decision on that. I bought 21=94 Harley Sportster wheels with the bearings replaced to receive 1=94 axles. I then used Dick Navatril=92s idea of an 1 =BC=94 axle (tube) with step-down tubes installed. My step-down tubes run in about 18=94 on each end, with the 1=94 OD axle being the last. I had to actually mil this one as it was .004=94 over 1=94! =93Wheels 1=94 shows that the Harley hub has 5 pre-drilled and threaded holes for the disc brake set up on motorcycles. I match-drilled this layout on my drub brake shoe and attached the shoe with a cover disc (=931187=94). The wheels you are showing have a very interesting spoke attach method, and you may be challenged to find a way to attach brakes, either disc or drum. I am certainly no expert, and mine is not flight-proven. Good luck!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down=85) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Chambers Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:59 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels? Anyone with motorcycle wheel experience care to offer an opinion on these dirt bike wheels? Think they'd be strong enough to handle the side loads? Any thoughts on attaching brakes? Machining them for a bigger axle? Or could keep the existing bearings with a solid axle? I've emailed to ask hub width and axle diameter but haven't heard back yet. Looks like the hub width is maybe 3 inches? http://contact.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ShowCoreAskSellerQues tio n <http://contact.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ShowCoreAskSellerQue sti on&&iid=190248078501&requested=giovannibikes&frm=284&redirect=0&n oredirectfa q=1&SSPageName=PageAskSellerQuestion_FAQ> &&iid=190248078501&requested=giovannibikes&frm=284&redirect=0&nor edirectfaq 1&SSPageName=PageAskSellerQuestion_FAQ -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Subject: sketch might help-- fuselage strips to hold fabric off
of bolts, hardware ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: sketch might help-- fuselage strips to hold fabric
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From: "chase143" <chase143(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Mike, That sketch does help. The bottom writing is cut off, but it looks you also used 1" stringers there. I like Jack's description of the tapering for and aft, and with this, I think I have a pretty good idea how to proceed. Thanks again, Steve Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253932#253932 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Subject: sketch might help-- fuselage strips to hold fabric
off of bolts, hardware Right Steve-- I used 1" stringers on the belly and tapered them at the fire wall and tail. I did not (as you can see by this photo) taper the front of the fuselage si de stringers--these fit flush up against my 1/8" birch plywood firewall. This photo shows a bit more. Remember those landing gear fittings need to be made LONGER to penetrate th at standoff of fabric as the original Piets had no fabric stand off or in some cases no fabric on the bottom--just plywood. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Subject: Re: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels?
From: Ken Chambers <ken.riffic(at)gmail.com>
Thats a sweet setup Gary. Never thought of that. I might be able to make something like that work. For tyhe dirt bike wheels I'm looking at, I've emailed the seller to ask th e axle diameter but I haven't heard back. Also trying to figure out how wide the spoke is, hub to hub. Speaking of brakes, there is a flange with four holes on one side. You can see it in the attached photo On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Ken, > > > I have no machining skills, or tools, either. Attached is a picture of ho w > I made it happen: Just figured out a way to chuck the axle to one of my =BD=94 > drills and used wet-or-dry paper to remove the steel; took about 45 minut es > ' 1 hour per axle. > > > A solid axle is being used by many, but you did not say how big of an axl e > your bearings might take. > > > Gary Boothe > > Cool, Ca. > > Pietenpol > > WW Corvair Conversion > > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > > (13 ribs down=85) > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Chambers > *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 8:21 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels? > > > Thanks Gary. That's a beautiful setup you have. I have no machining skill s > or tools so I'm trying to figure out a way to do it as simply as possible > with the split axle gear. > > I wonder if anyone uses solid axles? Heavier, sure, but would it hold up. > On a motorcycle it's supported on both ends by the fork. > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Gary Boothe > wrote: > > Ken, > > > You will likely get the usual discussion on the pros & cons of using > motorcycle wheels, so you will have to make your own decision on that. I > bought 21=94 Harley Sportster wheels with the bearings replaced to receiv e 1=94 > axles. I then used Dick Navatril=92s idea of an 1 =BC=94 axle (tube) with > step-down tubes installed. My step-down tubes run in about 18=94 on each end, > with the 1=94 OD axle being the last. I had to actually mil this one as i t was > .004=94 over 1=94! > > > =93Wheels 1=94 shows that the Harley hub has 5 pre-drilled and threaded h oles > for the disc brake set up on motorcycles. I match-drilled this layout on my > drub brake shoe and attached the shoe with a cover disc (=931187=94). > > > The wheels you are showing have a very interesting spoke attach method, a nd > you may be challenged to find a way to attach brakes, either disc or drum . > > > I am certainly no expert, and mine is not flight-proven. Good luck!! > > > Gary Boothe > > Cool, Ca. > > Pietenpol > > WW Corvair Conversion > > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > > (13 ribs down=85) > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Chambers > *Sent:* Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:59 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels? > > > Anyone with motorcycle wheel experience care to offer an opinion on these > dirt bike wheels? > > Think they'd be strong enough to handle the side loads? Any thoughts on > attaching brakes? Machining them for a bigger axle? Or could keep the > existing bearings with a solid axle? > > I've emailed to ask hub width and axle diameter but haven't heard back ye t. > Looks like the hub width is maybe 3 inches? > > > http://contact.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ShowCoreAskSellerQues tion&&iid=190248078501&requested=giovannibikes&frm=284&redirect=0&n oredirectfaq=1&SSPageName=PageAskSellerQuestion_FAQ > > > -- > Ken Chambers > 512-796-1798 > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels?
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Ken, So there is!! You may be on to something! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down=85) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Chambers Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 11:11 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels? Thats a sweet setup Gary. Never thought of that. I might be able to make something like that work. For tyhe dirt bike wheels I'm looking at, I've emailed the seller to ask the axle diameter but I haven't heard back. Also trying to figure out how wide the spoke is, hub to hub. Speaking of brakes, there is a flange with four holes on one side. You can see it in the attached photo On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: Ken, I have no machining skills, or tools, either. Attached is a picture of how I made it happen: Just figured out a way to chuck the axle to one of my =BD=94 drills and used wet-or-dry paper to remove the steel; took about 45 minutes ' 1 hour per axle. A solid axle is being used by many, but you did not say how big of an axle your bearings might take. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down=85) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Chambers Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:21 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels? Thanks Gary. That's a beautiful setup you have. I have no machining skills or tools so I'm trying to figure out a way to do it as simply as possible with the split axle gear. I wonder if anyone uses solid axles? Heavier, sure, but would it hold up. On a motorcycle it's supported on both ends by the fork. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: Ken, You will likely get the usual discussion on the pros & cons of using motorcycle wheels, so you will have to make your own decision on that. I bought 21=94 Harley Sportster wheels with the bearings replaced to receive 1=94 axles. I then used Dick Navatril=92s idea of an 1 =BC=94 axle (tube) with step-down tubes installed. My step-down tubes run in about 18=94 on each end, with the 1=94 OD axle being the last. I had to actually mil this one as it was .004=94 over 1=94! =93Wheels 1=94 shows that the Harley hub has 5 pre-drilled and threaded holes for the disc brake set up on motorcycles. I match-drilled this layout on my drub brake shoe and attached the shoe with a cover disc (=931187=94). The wheels you are showing have a very interesting spoke attach method, and you may be challenged to find a way to attach brakes, either disc or drum. I am certainly no expert, and mine is not flight-proven. Good luck!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down=85) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Chambers Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:59 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels? Anyone with motorcycle wheel experience care to offer an opinion on these dirt bike wheels? Think they'd be strong enough to handle the side loads? Any thoughts on attaching brakes? Machining them for a bigger axle? Or could keep the existing bearings with a solid axle? I've emailed to ask hub width and axle diameter but haven't heard back yet. Looks like the hub width is maybe 3 inches? http://contact.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ShowCoreAskSellerQues tio n <http://contact.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ShowCoreAskSellerQue sti on&&iid=190248078501&requested=giovannibikes&frm=284&redirect=0&n oredirectfa q=1&SSPageName=PageAskSellerQuestion_FAQ> &&iid=190248078501&requested=giovannibikes&frm=284&redirect=0&nor edirectfaq 1&SSPageName=PageAskSellerQuestion_FAQ -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: McCulloch drone engine
From: "Will42" <will(at)cctc.net>
Date: Jul 20, 2009
I need a McCulloch drone engine for a project. If you have one or more for sale and/or parts, please contact me. will(at)cctc.net Thanks so much.........Will Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253970#253970 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Tunnicliffe" <zk-owl(at)CLEAR.NET.NZ>
Subject: Re: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels?
Date: Jul 21, 2009
They look like the Chineese made wheels I'am using, I knocked out the bearings and installed bronze bushes with a 1" bore as that was the largest size I could fit through the hub. Not flight proven at this stage. Regards Mike T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Chambers To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 6:10 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels? Thats a sweet setup Gary. Never thought of that. I might be able to make something like that work. For tyhe dirt bike wheels I'm looking at, I've emailed the seller to ask the axle diameter but I haven't heard back. Also trying to figure out how wide the spoke is, hub to hub. Speaking of brakes, there is a flange with four holes on one side. You can see it in the attached photo On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: Ken, I have no machining skills, or tools, either. Attached is a picture of how I made it happen: Just figured out a way to chuck the axle to one of my =BD=94 drills and used wet-or-dry paper to remove the steel; took about 45 minutes ' 1 hour per axle. A solid axle is being used by many, but you did not say how big of an axle your bearings might take. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down=85) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Chambers Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:21 AM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels? Thanks Gary. That's a beautiful setup you have. I have no machining skills or tools so I'm trying to figure out a way to do it as simply as possible with the split axle gear. I wonder if anyone uses solid axles? Heavier, sure, but would it hold up. On a motorcycle it's supported on both ends by the fork. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: Ken, You will likely get the usual discussion on the pros & cons of using motorcycle wheels, so you will have to make your own decision on that. I bought 21=94 Harley Sportster wheels with the bearings replaced to receive 1=94 axles. I then used Dick Navatril=92s idea of an 1 =BC=94 axle (tube) with step-down tubes installed. My step-down tubes run in about 18=94 on each end, with the 1=94 OD axle being the last. I had to actually mil this one as it was .004=94 over 1=94! =93Wheels 1=94 shows that the Harley hub has 5 pre-drilled and threaded holes for the disc brake set up on motorcycles. I match-drilled this layout on my drub brake shoe and attached the shoe with a cover disc (=931187=94). The wheels you are showing have a very interesting spoke attach method, and you may be challenged to find a way to attach brakes, either disc or drum. I am certainly no expert, and mine is not flight-proven. Good luck!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down=85) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Chambers Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:59 PM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels? Anyone with motorcycle wheel experience care to offer an opinion on these dirt bike wheels? Think they'd be strong enough to handle the side loads? Any thoughts on attaching brakes? Machining them for a bigger axle? Or could keep the existing bearings with a solid axle? I've emailed to ask hub width and axle diameter but haven't heard back yet. Looks like the hub width is maybe 3 inches? http://contact.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ShowCoreAskSellerQues tion&&iid=190248078501&requested=giovannibikes&frm=284&redirect=0 &noredirectfaq=1&SSPageName=PageAskSellerQuestion_FAQ -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chet's Mail" <Chethartley1(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: McCulloch drone engine
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Will, Have you been on E-bay under Ebay motors and then under engines, there have been four or five as of late. Chet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will42" <will(at)cctc.net> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 4:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: McCulloch drone engine > > I need a McCulloch drone engine for a project. If you have one or more for > sale and/or parts, please contact me. will(at)cctc.net Thanks so > much.........Will > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253970#253970 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels?
From: outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
Date: Jul 21, 2009
Guys, we were planing to use wheels like the ones yall are discussing. One thing I noticed during researching them is that the Chinese tires had a very low weight rating. There are tires out there that have adequate weight ratings that will fit those wheels. Just be sure to figure that cost into your decision. We only went away from them because I decided to down size m y racing efforts and donated two CR500 18 inch wheels with 5 inch wide hubs to the cause. I had the e xtra master cylinders and the only thing we need to buy are tires and one rotor. Jeremy in Dallas Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "Mike Tunnicliffe" <zk-owl(at)clear.net.nz> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:05:30 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: opinions on ebay motorcycle whee ls? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rob Stapleton" <foto(at)alaska.net>
Subject: McCulloch drone engine
Date: Jul 20, 2009
How does one contact you? Rob Rob Stapleton, Photojournalist Anchorage, AK (907) 230-9425 KL2AN Skype:rob.stapleton.jr -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Will42 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 1:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: McCulloch drone engine I need a McCulloch drone engine for a project. If you have one or more for sale and/or parts, please contact me. will(at)cctc.net Thanks so much.........Will Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253970#253970 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Tunnicliffe" <zk-owl(at)CLEAR.NET.NZ>
Subject: Re: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels?
Date: Jul 21, 2009
Hi, the tyres I,m using are good ones and the tubes are heavy duty, its only the wheels that may not handle much abuse. Regards Mike T. ----- Original Message ----- From: outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:48 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels? Guys, we were planing to use wheels like the ones yall are discussing. One thing I noticed during researching them is that the Chinese tires had a very low weight rating. There are tires out there that have adequate weight ratings that will fit those wheels. Just be sure to figure that cost into your decision. We only went away from them because I decided to down size my racing efforts and donated two CR500 18 inch wheels with 5 inch wide hubs to the cause. I had the extra master cylinders and the only thing we need to buy are tires and one rotor. Jeremy in Dallas Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: "Mike Tunnicliffe" Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:05:30 +1200 To: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels? They look like the Chineese made wheels = I'am using, I knocked out the bearings and installed bronze bushes with a 1" bore as = that was the largest size I could fit through the hub. Not flight proven at = this stage. Regards Mike T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Chambers To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com= Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 = 6:10 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: = opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels? Thats a sweet setup Gary. Never thought of that. I = might be able to make something like that work. For tyhe dirt bike = wheels I'm looking at, I've emailed the seller to ask the axle diameter but I = haven't heard back. Also trying to figure out how wide the spoke is, hub to = hub. Speaking of brakes, there is a flange with four holes on one = side. You can see it in the attached photo On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Gary Boothe = = wrote: Ken, I have no = machining skills, or tools, either. Attached is a picture of how I made it happen: Just figured out a way to chuck the axle to one of my = =BD=94 drills and used wet-or-dry paper to remove the steel; took about 45 = minutes =96 1 hour per axle. A solid = axle is being used by many, but you did not say how big of an axle your = bearings might take. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW = Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down=85) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com = [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] =On Behalf Of Ken = Chambers Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 = 8:21 AM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: = opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels? Thanks Gary. That's a beautiful setup = you have. I have no machining skills or tools so I'm trying to figure out a = way to do it as simply as possible with the split axle gear. I wonder = if anyone uses solid axles? Heavier, sure, but would it hold up. On a motorcycle it's supported on both ends by the fork. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Gary Boothe = wrote: Ken, You will = likely get the usual discussion on the pros & cons of using motorcycle = wheels, so you will have to make your own decision on that. I bought 21=94 = Harley Sportster wheels with the bearings replaced to receive 1=94 axles. I = then used Dick Navatril=92s idea of an 1 =BC=94 axle (tube) with step-down = tubes installed. My step-down tubes run in about 18=94 on each end, with the 1=94 OD = axle being the last. I had to actually mil this one as it was .004=94 over 1=94! =93Wheels = 1=94 shows that the Harley hub has 5 pre-drilled and threaded holes for the = disc brake set up on motorcycles. I match-drilled this layout on my drub brake = shoe and attached the shoe with a cover disc (=931187=94). The = wheels you are showing have a very interesting spoke attach method, and you may be challenged to find a way to attach brakes, either disc or drum. I am = certainly no expert, and mine is not flight-proven. Good luck!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW = Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down=85) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com = [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] =On Behalf Of Ken = Chambers Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 = 3:59 PM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: = opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels? Anyone with motorcycle = wheel experience care to offer an opinion on these dirt bike wheels? Think they'd be strong enough to handle the side loads? Any thoughts on = attaching brakes? Machining them for a bigger axle? Or could keep the existing = bearings with a solid axle? I've emailed to ask hub width = and axle diameter but haven't heard back yet. 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Date: Jul 21, 2009
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Finally, work space!
Ryan, I have some shop equipment that you're welcome to borrow if you want - an *old* 7 1/4" Craftsman pedestal table saw, circa 1930-40's - it works very well, tracks straight and the fence is tight, but it doesn't have any sort of ruler - also have a flat plate to attach sanding disks so it could be used for that, too; a Victor oxy-acetylene torch set; hand drill; hand grinder; hand jig saw; a couple of hand planers; maybe some other stuff. It's all just sitting around the garage right now collecting dust - I don't have much time to use it and no projects to use them on so if you need something, let me know. See you at Brodhead, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
Subject: Driving to OSH from Brodhead
Date: Jul 21, 2009
Hey gang, I'll be leaving the field at Brodhead right after the launch on Sunday morning. If anyone needs me to tote gear, I'll have room in my car. Contact me off list. Pat Editor(at)ContactMagazine.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: McCulloch drone engine
Date: Jul 21, 2009
I have one that is disassembled. Can take pics of it for you. Heading to Oshkosh on Friday Barry Davis -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Will42 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 5:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: McCulloch drone engine I need a McCulloch drone engine for a project. If you have one or more for sale and/or parts, please contact me. will(at)cctc.net Thanks so much.........Will Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253970#253970 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: airlion(at)bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: Finally, work space!
Date: Jul 21, 2009
Well, I had my cessna 140 all loaded up this morning to fly to Brodhead,and lo and behold,when I checked with flight service for weather and TFR's they said that for the next 5 days it will be rain and tystems. Not a good weekend for camping and socializing with all you good people. So I will just stay here in lAGRANGE, Ga. and work on my Piet. Just a few more projects and it will be ready for inspection. If the weekend turns out better weatherwise please let me know so I can weep more than I am now. Cheers, Gardiner Mason -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> > > > Ryan, > > I have some shop equipment that you're welcome to borrow if you want - > an *old* 7 1/4" Craftsman pedestal table saw, circa 1930-40's - it works > very well, tracks straight and the fence is tight, but it doesn't have > any sort of ruler - also have a flat plate to attach sanding disks so it > could be used for that, too; a Victor oxy-acetylene torch set; hand > drill; hand grinder; hand jig saw; a couple of hand planers; maybe some > other stuff. > > It's all just sitting around the garage right now collecting dust - I > don't have much time to use it and no projects to use them on so if you > need something, let me know. > > See you at Brodhead, > Dan > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: McCulloch drone engine
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net>
Date: Jul 21, 2009
I found one on Craig's list Seattle for $150. http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/pts/1279684749.html Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254163#254163 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2009
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Chicago TFR, Thursday 7/23
Just a heads up: http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_9_0041.html -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Subject: TFRs for this Week
Date: Jul 21, 2009
All, Be careful en route to Brodhead, Baraboo, and Oshkosh. Your President will be occupying a large amount of airspace on the 23rd. First in Cleveland, Ohio, and later that day he'll be in Chicago, Illinois. DO NOT VIOLATE THESE TFRs!!! Cleveland, OH - July 23 from 1550z to 2055z. Multiple areas. FDC NOTAM Number 9/0023 Chicago, IL - From July 23 at 2100z to July 24 at 0200z. Multiple areas. FDC NOTAM Number 9/0041 These are big 30 nm TFRs, so please plan accordingly. If you have any questions, call Flight Service before you go! Have fun at the shows!!! Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Subject: TFRs Again
Date: Jul 21, 2009
If you want to see details for any TFR, go to tfr.faa.gov Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick N." <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Finally, work space!
Date: Jul 21, 2009
Gardiner I am in St. Paul, Mn. From here the weather looks pretty good. There is always a chance of Tstms all summer. Greg Cardinal and I are each flying our Piets tomorrow and should be sitting around with a cold beer by happy hour time. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Finally, work space! Well, I had my cessna 140 all loaded up this morning to fly to Brodhead,and lo and behold,when I checked with flight service for weather and TFR's they said that for the next 5 days it will be rain and tystems. Not a good weekend for camping and socializing with all you good people. So I will just stay here in lAGRANGE, Ga. and work on my Piet. Just a few more projects and it will be ready for inspection. If the weekend turns out better weatherwise please let me know so I can weep more than I am now. Cheers, Gardiner Mason -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> > > > Ryan, > > I have some shop equipment that you're welcome to borrow if you want - > an *old* 7 1/4" Craftsman pedestal table saw, circa 1930-40's - it works > very well, tracks straight and the fence is tight, but it doesn't have > any sort of ruler - also have a flat plate to attach sanding disks so it > could be used for that, too; a Victor oxy-acetylene torch set; hand > drill; hand grinder; hand jig saw; a couple of hand planers; maybe some > other stuff. > > It's all just sitting around the garage right now collecting dust - I > don't have much time to use it and no projects to use them on so if you > need something, let me know. > > See you at Brodhead, > Dan > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: weather
Date: Jul 21, 2009
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
WX?at Poplar Grove IL is VFR, overcast with very light sprinkles. But I see on radar that there is an area of yellow heading this way. Dan Helsper ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: McCulloch drone engine
From: "Will42" <will(at)cctc.net>
Date: Jul 21, 2009
bed(at)mindspring.com wrote: > I have one that is disassembled. Can take pics of it for you. Heading to > Oshkosh on Friday > Barry Davis > > -- I would be interested to see what you have. Pictures, condition and price if you can. will(at)cctc.net Thanks so much.........Will Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254189#254189 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Malley" <jgmalley(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels?
Date: Jul 21, 2009
I first used narrow motorcycle wheels with a 5/8 inch axle. Under normal abuse the axle (a six inch bolt) did not bend even though it was supported only on one end; nor did the wheels give in due to side loads. However, when I intentionally ground looped it to avoid a tree during an off airport landing, the wheel collapsed, there was almost no other damage (the bolt was also bent a few degrees). Unable to find an exact match, I made a new pair with a six inch width and a 1-1/4 axle. Again, normal abuse was fine, as would be expected, but a few years later when I went into a two foot deep ditch the wheels proved their strength by holding up fine but they transmitted the forces up the landing gear leg and the fuselage side was torn open. That repair took a lot longer. Jim Malley ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Chambers To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels? Thats a sweet setup Gary. Never thought of that. I might be able to make something like that work. For tyhe dirt bike wheels I'm looking at, I've emailed the seller to ask the axle diameter but I haven't heard back. Also trying to figure out how wide the spoke is, hub to hub. Speaking of brakes, there is a flange with four holes on one side. You can see it in the attached photo On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: Ken, I have no machining skills, or tools, either. Attached is a picture of how I made it happen: Just figured out a way to chuck the axle to one of my =BD=94 drills and used wet-or-dry paper to remove the steel; took about 45 minutes ' 1 hour per axle. A solid axle is being used by many, but you did not say how big of an axle your bearings might take. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down=85) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Chambers Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:21 AM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels? Thanks Gary. That's a beautiful setup you have. I have no machining skills or tools so I'm trying to figure out a way to do it as simply as possible with the split axle gear. I wonder if anyone uses solid axles? Heavier, sure, but would it hold up. On a motorcycle it's supported on both ends by the fork. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: Ken, You will likely get the usual discussion on the pros & cons of using motorcycle wheels, so you will have to make your own decision on that. I bought 21=94 Harley Sportster wheels with the bearings replaced to receive 1=94 axles. I then used Dick Navatril=92s idea of an 1 =BC=94 axle (tube) with step-down tubes installed. My step-down tubes run in about 18=94 on each end, with the 1=94 OD axle being the last. I had to actually mil this one as it was .004=94 over 1=94! =93Wheels 1=94 shows that the Harley hub has 5 pre-drilled and threaded holes for the disc brake set up on motorcycles. I match-drilled this layout on my drub brake shoe and attached the shoe with a cover disc (=931187=94). The wheels you are showing have a very interesting spoke attach method, and you may be challenged to find a way to attach brakes, either disc or drum. I am certainly no expert, and mine is not flight-proven. Good luck!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down=85) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Chambers Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:59 PM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels? Anyone with motorcycle wheel experience care to offer an opinion on these dirt bike wheels? Think they'd be strong enough to handle the side loads? Any thoughts on attaching brakes? Machining them for a bigger axle? Or could keep the existing bearings with a solid axle? I've emailed to ask hub width and axle diameter but haven't heard back yet. Looks like the hub width is maybe 3 inches? http://contact.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ShowCoreAskSellerQues tion&&iid=190248078501&requested=giovannibikes&frm=284&redirect=0 &noredirectfaq=1&SSPageName=PageAskSellerQuestion_FAQ -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: airlion(at)bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: Finally, work space!
Date: Jul 21, 2009
Dick, thanks for the reply and I will be thinking about you guys this week. Next week to kosh should be pretty good wx wise. Gardiner. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Dick N." <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> > > > Gardiner > I am in St. Paul, Mn. From here the weather looks pretty good. There is > always a chance of Tstms all summer. Greg Cardinal and I are each flying > our Piets tomorrow and should be sitting around with a cold beer by happy > hour time. > Dick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:52 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Finally, work space! > > > > Well, I had my cessna 140 all loaded up this morning to fly to > Brodhead,and lo and behold,when I checked with flight service for weather > and TFR's they said that for the next 5 days it will be rain and tystems. > Not a good weekend for camping and socializing with all you good people. So > I will just stay here in lAGRANGE, Ga. and work on my Piet. Just a few more > projects and it will be ready for inspection. If the weekend turns out > better weatherwise please let me know so I can weep more than I am now. > Cheers, Gardiner Mason > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> > > > > > > Ryan, > > > > I have some shop equipment that you're welcome to borrow if you want - > > an *old* 7 1/4" Craftsman pedestal table saw, circa 1930-40's - it works > > very well, tracks straight and the fence is tight, but it doesn't have > > any sort of ruler - also have a flat plate to attach sanding disks so it > > could be used for that, too; a Victor oxy-acetylene torch set; hand > > drill; hand grinder; hand jig saw; a couple of hand planers; maybe some > > other stuff. > > > > It's all just sitting around the garage right now collecting dust - I > > don't have much time to use it and no projects to use them on so if you > > need something, let me know. > > > > See you at Brodhead, > > Dan > > > > > > -- > > Dan Yocum > > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > > Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2009
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: TFRs for this Week
I sure as hell did not vote for that piece of @$#% Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jul 21, 2009
Subject: if flying....be aware of Presidential TFR's and Air Show
TFR north of Mitchell Field, Milwaukee For anyone transiting thru the Cleveland Class B airspace on Thursday-- beware that President Obama's visit has a TFR going into effect at 11:50 AM thru 5:00 pm. later that same evening. (again, President Obama) Also take note that just north of Milwaukee (if you're flying up the shoreline of Lake Michigan to Oshkosh) there is a Thursday thru Sunday TFR north of Mitchell Field for both daytime and night time performances/air show routines. Check out all TFR's at your favorite web site or the FAA site: http://tfr.faa.gov/tfr2/list.html (TFR= Temporary Flight Restriction) Should you be unfortunate enough to bust a TFR accidentally, know the procedures should you be intercepted....they like it when you cooperate much better:) http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2001/010918intercept.html ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 22, 2009
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Flight across America
I have really enjoyed visiting the SPOT page and keeping up on the progress Tres is making across the country. It's almost like making the flight with him. Looks like he is up and running again this morning cross beautiful (but HOT) Texas. Does anybody have any information about the specifics of his Pietenpol? Thanks Stinemetze McPherson, KS ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: columbus indiana
From: jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com
Date: Jul 22, 2009
I meant to ask this when I got back from vacation, Was anyone on this list by chance flying a Piet, over Columbus Indiana on July 3rd at 10:09 am. we were gassing up the Bike and I saw one fly over the station. Jake ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 22, 2009
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: brodhead trip
Randy, What time do you think you will reach the chicago area? I planned on making a fuel stop at Joliet, but there is a TFR for president oblama, starting at 16:00CDT and JOT is right on the border of the no fly zone. I am planning you, a couple of Corvair Piets will make some new noise. My last planned stop is Poplar Grove to top off before Brodhead, only 34 miles for the last leg. Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net>
Subject: Re: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track
Date: Jul 22, 2009
Dan, Can you contact Tres and find out if he is going to come up thru Tennessee? Randy Bush is leaving out of Jackson, Tn (about 100 miles East of Memphis) either this evening or tomorrow morning in his Piet. It would be great if he could hook up with him. Randy"s phone # is 731-267-0578. Thanks Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum(at)fnal.gov> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:19 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track > > This is somewhat off-topic, but I think it's pretty cool. > > Tres Clements is flying his (soon-to-be mine) Pietenpol N8031 from San > Luis Obispo to OSH. He and a friend left yesterday and are winging > their way eastward. Here's the Spot track of the route they're taking: > > http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0XeQYjmJLJJpESJ4WgdjS2W9eSMQUx0Ql > > Me, I'm just plain tickled pink to see it finally on it's way! > > Cheers, > Dan >


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