Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-hz
August 03, 2009 - August 11, 2009
| Subject: | compression struts-- need some help, pls |
Here are some pictures that may help...more at my site. Make sure when you
position them, they will "clear" your covering.
Jack
www.textors.com
Tim,
I made a little plywood pocket for my compression struts, made the struts to
the exact length for the distance between the spars and the installed the
compression struts with no glue. Just the tension of the drag wires and
anti-drag wires holds the compression struts in place. I also did not glue
the ribs - just nailed them to the spars.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Icarus Plummet
-----Original Message-----
| From: | owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com |
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 10:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: compression struts-- need some help, pls
I have a some wing-building questions that center around the compression
struts in the wings.
1. How long are these struts? On the surface, this sounds dumb, but please
bear with me. For instance, the minimum distance between the front and rear
spars is the distance across the ribs. If made exactly to plans, that
distance is 27 5/8", except as adjusted for the ply thicknesses added to the
spars on both ends and middle. So do you make the compression struts
EXACTLY according to that ADJUSTED rib dimension? My real question here is,
if you do so, both all the ribs and the several compression struts will be
in compression. Is that what you want? Or do you make the compression
struts just a few thousandths longer, so you can still slightly slide the
ribs around until they are glued or nailed? Does it matter?
2. The answer to that might well be interrelated to this question. What
are the sequences-- first, second, third-- gluing the compression struts,
lightly tensioning the drag/anti-drag wires, nailing the ribs, final
tensioning the wires?
[Perhaps you need to know that for my wing layout I am using a flat table
with three "piers" on it. The piers hold the struts up. The spars look
like a bridge span sitting on the three piers. This is a method I borrowed
from a posting on "biplaneforum.com," as demonstrated to me by my friend
here John Nunn, the forum's founder(?), moderator, and webmaster, on his
Skybolt wings. Thus I have some flexibility in sequence. I have made the
piers a little longer than the 27 5/8" rib dimension FOR NOW, so that the
ribs move on smoothly, but I can adjust this to accommodate the intelligence
you impart to me.]
3. It seems strange that with all the gusseting we do elsewhere--to
increase gluing area and to triangulate attach points-- that the compression
struts are just butt-glued to the spars. IMO, in some ways these are the
most important sticks on the plane, after the longerons. Haven't you added
glue blocks or a light gusset, or made a U-pocket for the struts?
Thanks,
Tim in central TX
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
05:56:00
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Congrats to Kurt Shipman!!! |
It IS a beauty of an airplane! Congratulations, Kurt.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Hagerstown, Dirksons, Brodhead, OSH |
I bought a copy of the movie while at OSH and watched it the first
thing when I got back. It's a feel-good movie in the best sense of
the phrase, all the more so because it's a true story -- sort of a
fairy tale come true! On the technical side, the photography,
writing, editing, the whole sheebang, are _great_.
A good story told well.
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| From: | RBush96589(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Congrats to Kurt Shipman!!! |
Hey Kurt,
Congrats from me also,beautiful plane and well deserved .I enjoyed
meeting and flying with everyone. This trip was a dream come true for me
after seven years of building.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy
steps!
=JulystepsfooterNO115)
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Congrats to Kurt Shipman!!! |
That was one CLEAN airplane-Kurt deserved that Lindy fair and square. He
was on a short leash to get home for some business
he had to take care of when I spoke with him at Brodhead but I am so glad h
e gave the judges enough time to inspect and award
Kurt's hard work. He's another Poplar Grove, IL guy if I'm not mistaken
. I think next year Dan Helsper is going to take a Lindy and he's
from Poplar Grove as well. Way to go Kurt !
Mike C.
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Congrats to Kurt Shipman!!! |
Another kudo for a very clean airplane. What kind of carburetor are you usi
ng, and what kind of speed can you get? Congrats, Gardiner Mason.=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[
ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" =0ATo: "pietenpol-list
(at)matronics.com" =0ASent: Monday, August 3, 20
09 9:40:19 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Congrats to Kurt Shipman!!!=0A
=0A =0AThat was one CLEAN airplane=94Kurt deserved that Lindy fair=0A
and square. He was on a short leash to get home for some=0Abusiness=0Ahe
had to take care of when I spoke with him at Brodhead but I=0Aam so glad h
e gave the judges enough time to inspect and award=0AKurt=99s hard wo
rk. He=99s=0Aanother Poplar Grove, IL guy if I=99m not mist
aken. I think=0Anext year Dan Helsper is going to take a Lindy and he
=99s=0Afrom Poplar Grove as well. Way to go Kurt !=0A =0AMike C.=0A
====================
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | trip comments -- pretty girls |
I noticed that in one of Jeff Boatright's many great video YouTube posts that Bill
Rewey was extra helpful helping board one young lady into his airplane and helping
her with the shoulder and lap belts. And they probably think he's harmless--
Hah !
There are some advantages to getting older:)
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| Subject: | Re: trip comments -- pretty girls |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I think that was my wife. LOL!
Every person that I have showed the video to has commented on that... "did you
see that? He put his hand right on her a$$." I say so what... she got a Piet
ride out of the deal. Ha ha! Good for Bill.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255790#255790
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Video |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Bumping this now that several people are back home. Yes, I know... shameless tactics.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255791#255791
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| Subject: | Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles |
| From: | "Will42" <will(at)cctc.net> |
Tim; I haven't tried this idea as yet but here it is for your information.
My thought is to make up one end of the brace wires directly to the fitting, then
mount the fittings up with a number of washers between them and the structure,
then make up the other ends as tight as possible, remove the washers, tighten,
and all should be tight. This may take some trial & error to get it right.
Seems like this will be easier using cable than hard wire but I haven't tried
either, as I said. This would eliminate shackles and turnbuckles; a little
weight and more money. If you try it, let me know you results as I intend to use
the idea.
Will
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255792#255792
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| Subject: | Re: trip comments -- pretty girls |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
And you guys thought we elders were over the hill, Thoughts are the same delivery
takes longer,
Crank is being checked, Hamilton blades don't look too good, prop extension will
be replaced.
Pieti Lowell
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255830#255830
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: trip comments -- pretty girls |
Lowell,
If I remember correctly, I heard tell of a Hamilton prop on a T-Craft
for sale at Olson Airport (outside Elgin, IL) a few months back.
The airport owner, John Olson, told the guy to take the Hamilton off and
put a Sensenich prop on it so the plane would sell. I'll ask around the
airport and try to find out what happened to the plane and/or prop and
get back to you.
Cheers,
Dan
Pieti Lowell wrote:
>
> And you guys thought we elders were over the hill, Thoughts are the same delivery
takes longer,
> Crank is being checked, Hamilton blades don't look too good, prop extension will
be replaced.
>
> Pieti Lowell
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255830#255830
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: ok, lemme have it! |
Hi Shad,
Just to clarify - Tres Clements and Ryan Malherbe flew N8031 across the
country. Man, what I wouldn't have given to been able to do that trip!
Anyway, N8031 found a new home yesterday at Olson Airport just west of
Elgin, IL. Ryan and Jessie were there and took some great photos and
video for me since my camera battery chose that inopportune time to die.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
My head is still in a haze. Or in the clouds, however you want to look
at it. I'm kind of speechless. I want to go out to the airport and go
fly it right now, but I have to change the oil first and wait until my
CFI, Stefano, gets back from LA - he's got a lot more time in
taildraggers than I do and this is a new airplane for me so I'm erring
on the side of caution.
Speaking of oil changes and owner performed engine maintenance - Essco
has several manuals for small Continental Engines. One is an operator
manual, one is a maintenance and overhaul manual, one is an operator,
maintenance, and overhaul manual. One is from 1938, another from 1944,
another from 1971, etc. Does anyone have a recommendation on which
manual I should pick for this A-65-8?
Thanks,
Dan
shad bell wrote:
> Dan, I won't nit pick your airplane 1 bit. You flew it farther in a
> week than I will all year. It got you the equivilent of a
> trans-continental flight!! I would have to have an ass-ectomy if I sat
> that long in 92GB. Congrats on one helluva long cross country, and yes
> Randy Bush and I saw it with the racers, and you were the only airplane
> that wasn't plastic, or a factory built "home built".
>
> Shad
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles |
Will,
Thanks. It seems like that or something like it might work in some cases, where
the pull is straight toward the long axis of the bolt. I have thought of other
devices that could fit in the spool of the eyelet at the cable end, but have
a cutout for the shackle pin. With such a device the cable could be tensioned
and the pin and shackle set, and then the tension removed. However that takes
a way to align the tension straight down the cable. It could work for the
seatbelt cables and the like, but the empennage might be more problematic.
We need to hear from someone who so rigged the tail. Speak up, you riggin' magicians.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Will42 <will(at)cctc.net>
>Sent: Aug 3, 2009 1:14 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles
>
>
>Tim; I haven't tried this idea as yet but here it is for your information.
>
>My thought is to make up one end of the brace wires directly to the fitting, then
mount the fittings up with a number of washers between them and the structure,
then make up the other ends as tight as possible, remove the washers, tighten,
and all should be tight. This may take some trial & error to get it right.
Seems like this will be easier using cable than hard wire but I haven't tried
either, as I said. This would eliminate shackles and turnbuckles; a little
weight and more money. If you try it, let me know you results as I intend to
use the idea.
>
>Will
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255792#255792
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
| Subject: | Back from Brodhead and Oshkosh |
Just wanted to post a note on the list saying how much I enjoyed meeting
more of the Pietenpol crew at Brodhead and Oshkosh. I flew out in my
Stinson but spent time talking to the other California Pieters about a
trip out when more of their airplanes are in the air.
It was a real pleasure meeting Gary Boothe from Cool, CA, seeing Jim
Boyer once again, getting a close up look at Gary and Shad Bell's and
Randy Bush's Corvair powered Piets, meeting Don Emch and marveling over
his beautiful Piet with the covered wire wheels, seeing Dick Navratil's
unique wood-grain radial-powered Piet, meeting Jeff Boatright and his
dad (thanks for the videos!) and of course catching up on twenty years'
worth of history with Ernie Moreno over a beer.
I didn't get to see much of William Wynne at Brodhead but got to talk
with Grace a couple times, and saw them again at Oshkosh where I
invited them to chastise me severely for not getting the Pfeifer going
yet so I would move it to the top of the priority list when I got
home. They did.
I would have liked to get a Piet ride but that was my own fault for not
hanging around the group more. I got the oil changed on the Stinson
before going up to Oshkosh and looked around Brodhead a bit, but there
is never enough time to see and do everything and talk to everyone in
such a short time as a long weekend.
It was a kick to walk through the group of Pietenpols up at Oshkosh
where they were displayed just inside the old main gate. With the rain
everyone was battened down but the birds still looked beautiful. Happy
80th birthday!
I recommend a trip to Brodhead for everyone building a Pietenpol. A
Southwest flight into Chicago and a rental car shared between two or
three people is relatively inexpensive and the wealth of information and
inspiration there are priceless.
I even got to run out to the runway with Randy and a bunch of others
when a RV-7A stuck the nose wheel into the turf and turned over. I
walked the last hundred yards with a couple of the other old guys, but
it turned out the pilot wasn't badly injured.
I'm looking forward to getting together with some of the other West
Coast Pieters in September for lunch and swapping stories, and then
getting back to Brodhead in a couple of years to admire all the
beautiful airplanes there.
Thanks for the memories!
Darrel Jones
Pfeifer Sport NX154JP
Sonoma, CA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Back from Brodhead and Oshkosh |
Believe it not, those -A model RV's have quite a habit of burying the
nosewheel.
Like I always say "the little wheel goes in the back".
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
> I even got to run out to the runway with Randy and a bunch of others
> when a RV-7A stuck the nose wheel into the turf and turned over. I
> walked the last hundred yards with a couple of the other old guys,
> but it turned out the pilot wasn't badly injured.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Back from Brodhead and Oshkosh |
Darrel,
It was certainly my pleasure to meet you, though it's definitely odd that we
had to travel so far when we only live 80 miles apart!! Someday you may want
to take your Stinson to Georgetown and I'll pick you up and show you may
project.
Realistically, I think I can make Brodhead 2011 in my Piet. In fact, I
hereby throw down the challenge:
West Coast Piet builders - get ready for an historical mecca to Brodhead in
2011 in our Piets!!
I know Mike Groah will be flying by then, and so should Jim Boyer! Chris
Tracy, Mike Weaver...you boys can do it, too! And, Darrel, I take back that
offer to show you my project...you need to spend that day on the Pfeifer, so
you can join us!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darrel Jones
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Back from Brodhead and Oshkosh
Just wanted to post a note on the list saying how much I enjoyed meeting
more of the Pietenpol crew at Brodhead and Oshkosh. I flew out in my
Stinson but spent time talking to the other California Pieters about a
trip out when more of their airplanes are in the air.
It was a real pleasure meeting Gary Boothe from Cool, CA, seeing Jim
Boyer once again, getting a close up look at Gary and Shad Bell's and
Randy Bush's Corvair powered Piets, meeting Don Emch and marveling over
his beautiful Piet with the covered wire wheels, seeing Dick Navratil's
unique wood-grain radial-powered Piet, meeting Jeff Boatright and his
dad (thanks for the videos!) and of course catching up on twenty years'
worth of history with Ernie Moreno over a beer.
I didn't get to see much of William Wynne at Brodhead but got to talk
with Grace a couple times, and saw them again at Oshkosh where I
invited them to chastise me severely for not getting the Pfeifer going
yet so I would move it to the top of the priority list when I got
home. They did.
I would have liked to get a Piet ride but that was my own fault for not
hanging around the group more. I got the oil changed on the Stinson
before going up to Oshkosh and looked around Brodhead a bit, but there
is never enough time to see and do everything and talk to everyone in
such a short time as a long weekend.
It was a kick to walk through the group of Pietenpols up at Oshkosh
where they were displayed just inside the old main gate. With the rain
everyone was battened down but the birds still looked beautiful. Happy
80th birthday!
I recommend a trip to Brodhead for everyone building a Pietenpol. A
Southwest flight into Chicago and a rental car shared between two or
three people is relatively inexpensive and the wealth of information and
inspiration there are priceless.
I even got to run out to the runway with Randy and a bunch of others
when a RV-7A stuck the nose wheel into the turf and turned over. I
walked the last hundred yards with a couple of the other old guys, but
it turned out the pilot wasn't badly injured.
I'm looking forward to getting together with some of the other West
Coast Pieters in September for lunch and swapping stories, and then
getting back to Brodhead in a couple of years to admire all the
beautiful airplanes there.
Thanks for the memories!
Darrel Jones
Pfeifer Sport NX154JP
Sonoma, CA
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Be sure and view it full size.
www.contactmagazine.com\Fly-Ins\Brodhead-2008a.jpg
Pat
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> <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
>
> Be sure and view it full size.
>
> www.contactmagazine.com\Fly-Ins\Brodhead-2008a.jpg
Oops... the file name says 2008, but I shot the photo(s) on Saturday,
7/25/2009.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <rhano(at)att.net> |
I know Rans aircraft used some tabs that had staggered holes for the bolt and Nico
the cable through the other end hole. gives you some take-up adjustment and
you can put a few extra twists in the cable to get just a little more. -I wouldn't
want to un-twist it.Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255887#255887
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Photo |
Hey Pat,
The link doesn't work for me. Hep me!
Thanks,
Jeff
><panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
>
>Be sure and view it full size.
>
>www.contactmagazine.com\Fly-Ins\Brodhead-2008a.jpg
>
>Pat
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Photo |
Try this:
http://www.contactmagazine.com/Fly-Ins/Brodhead-2008a.jpg
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
>Sent: Aug 3, 2009 8:04 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Photo
>
>
>Hey Pat,
>
>The link doesn't work for me. Hep me!
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jeff
>
>><panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
>>
>>Be sure and view it full size.
>>
>>www.contactmagazine.com\Fly-Ins\Brodhead-2008a.jpg
>>
>>Pat
>
>--
>---
>
>Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
>Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
>Emory University School of Medicine
>Editor-in-Chief
>Molecular Vision
>
>
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Back from Brodhead and Oshkosh |
2011 sounds good to me....that will give me 2010 to finish and fly up there and
work out the squaks... :-)
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
>Sent: Aug 3, 2009 7:01 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Back from Brodhead and Oshkosh
>
>
>Darrel,
>
>It was certainly my pleasure to meet you, though it's definitely odd that we
>had to travel so far when we only live 80 miles apart!! Someday you may want
>to take your Stinson to Georgetown and I'll pick you up and show you may
>project.
>
>Realistically, I think I can make Brodhead 2011 in my Piet. In fact, I
>hereby throw down the challenge:
>
>West Coast Piet builders - get ready for an historical mecca to Brodhead in
>2011 in our Piets!!
>
>I know Mike Groah will be flying by then, and so should Jim Boyer! Chris
>Tracy, Mike Weaver...you boys can do it, too! And, Darrel, I take back that
>offer to show you my project...you need to spend that day on the Pfeifer, so
>you can join us!!
>
>Gary Boothe
>Cool, Ca.
>Pietenpol
>WW Corvair Conversion
>Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>(13 ribs down.)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darrel Jones
>Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:50 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Back from Brodhead and Oshkosh
>
>
>Just wanted to post a note on the list saying how much I enjoyed meeting
>more of the Pietenpol crew at Brodhead and Oshkosh. I flew out in my
>Stinson but spent time talking to the other California Pieters about a
>trip out when more of their airplanes are in the air.
>
>It was a real pleasure meeting Gary Boothe from Cool, CA, seeing Jim
>Boyer once again, getting a close up look at Gary and Shad Bell's and
>Randy Bush's Corvair powered Piets, meeting Don Emch and marveling over
>his beautiful Piet with the covered wire wheels, seeing Dick Navratil's
>unique wood-grain radial-powered Piet, meeting Jeff Boatright and his
>dad (thanks for the videos!) and of course catching up on twenty years'
>worth of history with Ernie Moreno over a beer.
>
>I didn't get to see much of William Wynne at Brodhead but got to talk
>with Grace a couple times, and saw them again at Oshkosh where I
>invited them to chastise me severely for not getting the Pfeifer going
>yet so I would move it to the top of the priority list when I got
>home. They did.
>
>I would have liked to get a Piet ride but that was my own fault for not
>hanging around the group more. I got the oil changed on the Stinson
>before going up to Oshkosh and looked around Brodhead a bit, but there
>is never enough time to see and do everything and talk to everyone in
>such a short time as a long weekend.
>
>It was a kick to walk through the group of Pietenpols up at Oshkosh
>where they were displayed just inside the old main gate. With the rain
>everyone was battened down but the birds still looked beautiful. Happy
>80th birthday!
>
>I recommend a trip to Brodhead for everyone building a Pietenpol. A
>Southwest flight into Chicago and a rental car shared between two or
>three people is relatively inexpensive and the wealth of information and
>inspiration there are priceless.
>
>I even got to run out to the runway with Randy and a bunch of others
>when a RV-7A stuck the nose wheel into the turf and turned over. I
>walked the last hundred yards with a couple of the other old guys, but
>it turned out the pilot wasn't badly injured.
>
>I'm looking forward to getting together with some of the other West
>Coast Pieters in September for lunch and swapping stories, and then
>getting back to Brodhead in a couple of years to admire all the
>beautiful airplanes there.
>
>Thanks for the memories!
>
>Darrel Jones
>Pfeifer Sport NX154JP
>Sonoma, CA
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Back from Brodhead and Oshkosh |
Gary,
Done deal! I'll bring my old, out of date charts to the September
meeting so we can start planning our route. We'll be OK as long as they
don't close some airports or put tall towers up along our route. At
least none over 500' AGL.
Darrel
Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> Darrel,
>
> It was certainly my pleasure to meet you, though it's definitely odd that we
> had to travel so far when we only live 80 miles apart!! Someday you may want
> to take your Stinson to Georgetown and I'll pick you up and show you may
> project.
>
> Realistically, I think I can make Brodhead 2011 in my Piet. In fact, I
> hereby throw down the challenge:
>
> West Coast Piet builders - get ready for an historical mecca to Brodhead in
> 2011 in our Piets!!
>
> I know Mike Groah will be flying by then, and so should Jim Boyer! Chris
> Tracy, Mike Weaver...you boys can do it, too! And, Darrel, I take back that
> offer to show you my project...you need to spend that day on the Pfeifer, so
> you can join us!!
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (13 ribs down.)
>
>
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles |
Twist the wire to lengthen or shorten it.
I made up the bottom braces tight enough to have to pull
down a little on the stab to put in the clevis pins on both
sides. Then supported the entire tail on 2X4's just outside
the stab fittings. This tensions the bottom cables. I tied a
milk bottle container to the tail and filled it with bricks
for more tension. The upper cables were already nico'd
to the rudder so I ran them to their respective places on
the stab, set up all the bits, pulled everything tight and
clamped with those U bolt cable clamps. At this point
I ran around tweaking the tension and making absolutely
sure the rudder fin was 90 and straight, the two ends
of the stab were absolutely level with each other using
wynding sticks and then proceeded to do up the nico's,
checking everything after each crimp.
The wynding stick method, ancient as it is, is accurate
to more than a hundredth of a degree. With a good eye
even closer.
All you need are two straight, square sticks or tubes,
one white, the other black. The longer the better.
Clif
Wynding sticks, kinda like the way they built the SR-71.
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles
> Tim; I haven't tried this idea as yet but here it is for your information.
>
make up the other ends as tight as possible, remove the washers, tighten,
and all should be tight. This may take some trial & error to get it right.
Seems like this will be easier using cable than hard wire but I haven't
tried either, as I said.
> Will
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255792#255792
>
>
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Split axle fittings: aargh! yo se de eso |
hola oscar te entiendo lo dificil que es para my weld partes no me quedo mu
y bien nesesito modificarlo para que aga match con los tagplug pero estoy t
ratando porsierto copie el diseno de stirman fuel gauge y mas omenos estoy
terminandolo tube algun problema para allar partes paresidas pero the thing
nuts son difisil the encontrar para 5/8"d coper thing, pero por hahi ba la
cosa perto estou en el mismo dilema weldig parts dode es mas fasil en cotr
ar el sellador mencionado en el articulo en spruse ho en local storage grac
ias de nuevo por todas tus ideas que son de mucha ayuda .jorge de hanford.
--- On Sat, 8/1/09, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Split axle fittings: aargh!
Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 8:48 AM
Andrew;
I noticed on the beautifully-fabricated set of split-style
landing gearlegs that I bought
from Arlene Walsh's estate (off the Aerial biplane) that
the attach bolt holes were drilled after the legs were fitted
up and that no two of them go straight through the center of
the fitting.- Apparently there are just too many things to
keep lined up by jigging.- However, the legs on 41CC were
made in the conventional way, using Bill Rewey's jig method,
and they slide on fairly easily and are not forced or sprung
into place so there must be a way to do it successfully.
Maybe you can put a pin and lever on the end of the leg and
tweak the fittings into alignment, or are they so far out
that they can't be tweaked a bit?- It sure would be a shame
to have to scrap them and start over.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
le, List Admin.
=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead photos |
| From: | "skybachs" <skybachs(at)yahoo.com> |
Excellent!
Next time, I'll shave...and maybe wait until I wake up a little more before fielding
questions from the throngs in front of a camera.
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| Subject: | Re: trip comments |
| From: | "skybachs" <skybachs(at)yahoo.com> |
Took 40 minutes to get to Brodhead from my place, 2 hours to get to OSH (lots of
S-turning behind the 'Slow Group'), and an hour flat to get home (90 miles).
Lots of kids had the chance to sit in the airplane at OSH (and by that, I mean
the builders as well as the youngin's).
Hopped a few rides at Brodhead despite some windy conditions...anybody building
that wants to fly a Piet, just let me know next year. I should have #2 finished
by then and #3 should be covered.
Next trip is Blakesburg then back to Brodhead for Grassroots.
Thanks everybody for a great time! Feels SO good to get her in the air at last.
Rob
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: trip comments |
Rob,
It was great meeting you briefly. Your plane is gorgeous. Hopefully
I'll have our Piet up to B'head next year.
Jeff
>
>Took 40 minutes to get to Brodhead from my place, 2 hours to get to
>OSH (lots of S-turning behind the 'Slow Group'), and an hour flat to
>get home (90 miles).
>
>Lots of kids had the chance to sit in the airplane at OSH (and by
>that, I mean the builders as well as the youngin's).
>
>Hopped a few rides at Brodhead despite some windy
>conditions...anybody building that wants to fly a Piet, just let me
>know next year. I should have #2 finished by then and #3 should be
>covered.
>
>Next trip is Blakesburg then back to Brodhead for Grassroots.
>
>Thanks everybody for a great time! Feels SO good to get her in the
>air at last.
>
>Rob
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Split axle fittings: aargh! yo se de eso |
For the most part I agree but maybe the encontrar para coper thing should be 1/2"
instead of 5/8"???.....
Hey wait, this isn't pig latin........never mind.
-----Original Message-----
>From: jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com>
>Sent: Aug 4, 2009 1:18 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Split axle fittings: aargh! yo se de eso
>
>hola oscar te entiendo lo dificil que es para my weld partes no me quedo muy bien
nesesito modificarlo para que aga match con los tagplug pero estoy tratando
porsierto copie el diseno de stirman fuel gauge y mas omenos estoy terminandolo
tube algun problema para allar partes paresidas pero the thing nuts son difisil
the encontrar para 5/8"d coper thing, pero por hahi ba la cosa perto estou
en el mismo dilema weldig parts dode es mas fasil en cotrar el sellador mencionado
en el articulo en spruse ho en local storage gracias de nuevo por todas
tus ideas que son de mucha ayuda .jorge de hanford.
>
>--- On Sat, 8/1/09, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Split axle fittings: aargh!
>To: "Pietenpol List"
>Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 8:48 AM
>
>
>Andrew;
>
>I noticed on the beautifully-fabricated set of split-style
>landing gearlegs that I bought
>from Arlene Walsh's estate (off the Aerial biplane) that
>the attach bolt holes were drilled after the legs were fitted
>up and that no two of them go straight through the center of
>the fitting. Apparently there are just too many things to
>keep lined up by jigging. However, the legs on 41CC were
>made in the conventional way, using Bill Rewey's jig method,
>and they slide on fairly easily and are not forced or sprung
>into place so there must be a way to do it successfully.
>
>Maybe you can put a pin and lever on the end of the leg and
>tweak the fittings into alignment, or are they so far out
>that they can't be tweaked a bit? It sure would be a shame
>to have to scrap them and start over.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>le, List Admin.
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: trip comments |
Rob,
It was really nice to meet you and to see your airplane. I hope to see you
again at Brodhead in the future. I don't know how many more times I'll
brave the trip over the mountains in mine (3 days instead of 40 minutes for
me), but I'll be there even if I leave the Pietenpol in the hangar. I'll
eventually bring it back again.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Icarus Plummet
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of skybachs
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 2:02 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: trip comments
Took 40 minutes to get to Brodhead from my place, 2 hours to get to OSH
(lots of S-turning behind the 'Slow Group'), and an hour flat to get home
(90 miles).
Lots of kids had the chance to sit in the airplane at OSH (and by that, I
mean the builders as well as the youngin's).
Hopped a few rides at Brodhead despite some windy conditions...anybody
building that wants to fly a Piet, just let me know next year. I should have
#2 finished by then and #3 should be covered.
Next trip is Blakesburg then back to Brodhead for Grassroots.
Thanks everybody for a great time! Feels SO good to get her in the air at
last.
Rob
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | for those of you who might not have met Jim Markle yet |
Here is his shining face next to me at Brodhead two weeks ago. (He's the
Roscoe Turner look-alike contest
winner)
Also pictured are John Hofmann, Ryan & Jess Mueller, and Captain Jack Phill
ips.
Mike C.
PS-thank you to ALL of your great suggestions in data recovery of my photo
memory card. It worked !
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: trip comments |
Hi Rob,
skybachs wrote:
>
> Took 40 minutes to get to Brodhead from my place, 2 hours to get to OSH (lots
of S-turning behind the 'Slow Group'), and an hour flat to get home (90 miles).
S-turns? 90mph? What kind of engine do you have on your Piet?
>
> Hopped a few rides at Brodhead despite some windy conditions...anybody building
that wants to fly a Piet, just let me know next year. I should have #2 finished
by then and #3 should be covered.
>
Wait... what? #2 will be done and #3 on the way? Are you going into
the Pietenpol building business?
> Next trip is Blakesburg then back to Brodhead for Grassroots.
>
> Thanks everybody for a great time! Feels SO good to get her in the air at last.
>
I echo everyone else's comments - you've got a fine, fine airplane, there.
Cheers,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Cut off for ad/article (Piet. news letter) |
Does anyone know what the cut off date is for submitting an article/ad in the next
Pietenpol newsletter?
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| Subject: | Re: for those of you who might not have met Jim Markle |
yet
| From: | "TulsaFlyer" <gbloud1(at)netzero.net> |
I had the pleasure of meeting Jim this past weekend. Mark (K5YAC) and I drove out
to Jim's place to check out his progress.
Won't be long now Jim!!
Oh yeah Jim......ya' got that mailbox fixed yet? :P
Jody
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| Subject: | Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles |
| From: | "Will42" <will(at)cctc.net> |
CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca wrote:
> The wynding stick method, ancient as it is, is accurate
> to more than a hundredth of a degree. With a good eye
> even closer.
>
> All you need are two straight, square sticks or tubes,
> one white, the other black. The longer the better.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Clif; can you provide more info on the wynding sticks; I don't know about this.
Thanks so much...................Will
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: for those of you who might not have met Jim Markle |
yet
Thanks, I think that the picture in the Post Office looks a lot more like
him!
John
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| Subject: | Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles |
There's a brief description on Wikipedia - explains it better than I could.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winding_sticks
You could also search the woodworker's forums.
--Ken
>
>
> CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca wrote:
>> The wynding stick method, ancient as it is, is accurate
>> to more than a hundredth of a degree. With a good eye
>> even closer.
>>
>> All you need are two straight, square sticks or tubes,
>> one white, the other black. The longer the better.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
> Clif; can you provide more info on the wynding sticks; I don't know about
> this. Thanks so much...................Will
>
>
>
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| From: | gcardinal(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Cut off for ad/article (Piet. news letter) |
Approximately August 31st.
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Perez" <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 9:00:10 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cut off for ad/article (Piet. news letter)
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| Subject: | Re: for those of you who might not have met Jim Markle |
yet
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
That is the guy from the Paris Air Show, right?
Yeah, Jody is right... kind of hard to look for an address when the mailbox door
is missing?
You think that thing will fly with just one set of uprights on the spars? Looking
a little spooky. LOL!
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | turning base to final for runway 36L at Oshkosh |
$1020012
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | OSH09 Don Emch & Larry Williams after arriving at Oshkosh.jpg |
Don is on left, Larry on right. By Larry's Ford Pietenpol.
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| Subject: | Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles |
| From: | "Will42" <will(at)cctc.net> |
OK; I've used this for years, just didn't know they had a name. Thanks for the
info.
Will
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cut off for ad/article (Piet. news letter) |
Thanks.
--- On Tue, 8/4/09, gcardinal(at)comcast.net wrote:
From: gcardinal(at)comcast.net <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cut off for ad/article (Piet. news letter)
Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 12:29 PM
#yiv2093032156 p {margin:0;}
Approximately August 31st.
-
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Perez" <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 9:00:10 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cut off for ad/article (Piet. news letter)
Does anyone know what the cut off date is for submitting an article/ad in t
he next Pietenpol newsletter?
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: turning base to final for runway 36L at Oshkosh |
THAT is a COOL picture!
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
>Sent: Aug 4, 2009 1:16 PM
>To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: turning base to final for runway 36L at Oshkosh
>
>
>$1020012
>
>
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: turning base to final for runway 36L at Oshkosh |
What a thrill! Thanks for share,
J
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Airbus pilots caught bragging |
" I overheard them saying "you know we used the same runway that the Pieten
pols used when they
arrived"
Of course I'm kidding but thought about that after they landed that monster
A-380 on Runway 36L......just
like we did. (but we turned off way earlier)
Mike C.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | turning base to final for runway 36L at Oshkosh |
If you look closely, you can see the wing of my Piet, ahead of Mike's. My
wing is about even with the middle of the runway, and off to the right, on
final for 36L. Don Emch is right at the end of the runway, just about to
touch down. Five others had landed just ahead of Don. Quite a show,
landing eight Pietenpols in a row there.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: turning base to final for runway 36L at Oshkosh
$1020012
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| Subject: | Re: Airbus pilots caught bragging |
| From: | "TulsaFlyer" <gbloud1(at)netzero.net> |
Well, at least the Piet's didn't "smash" the runway. [Shocked]
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| From: | CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Airbus pilots caught bragging |
Mike, I think you could safely land a Piet in either the width or length
of
the Airbus.
When I saw the C-5 sitting there with both ends open I told Randi that was
their low resistance economy cruise mode ...air just goes straight throug
h
it =) She's blond but not that blond.
We delivered our first Piet 0-200 mount to Paul Siegel at osh. If anyone
needs one, the fixture is adjustable in both fuselage width and offset fro
m
the firewall. See our web site below.
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
www.CozyGirrrl.com
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| Subject: | Airbus pilots caught bragging |
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | packed in like sardines at Oshkosh |
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| From: | Mike Nipp <mikenipp(at)gmail.com> |
Hello everyone. I have a question on the BPA newsletter. I attended
the presentation that Bill Rewey did at Oshkosh regarding building a
Pietenpol. In the paper he handed out it says the address for BPA is:
BPA
Independent Register
P.O. Box 225
Broadhead, WI 53520-0255
But on the http://www.pietenpols.org website, it says the address is:
Brodhead Pietenpol Association
PO Box 3501
Oshkosh, WI 54901
Are these the same organization? I would like to subscribe to the
newsletter but want to send the $16 to the right place.
Thanks!
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: BPA Newsletter |
| From: | "Will42" <will(at)cctc.net> |
My July newsletter gives the Oshkosh address.
Will
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256031#256031
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| Subject: | Re: BPA Newsletter |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Mike,
Same organization, but the Brodhead address is old. Send your $ to the
Oshkosh address. Have a good day,
Ryan
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Mike Nipp wrote:
>
> Hello everyone. I have a question on the BPA newsletter. I attended
> the presentation that Bill Rewey did at Oshkosh regarding building a
> Pietenpol. In the paper he handed out it says the address for BPA is:
>
> BPA
> Independent Register
> P.O. Box 225
> Broadhead, WI 53520-0255
>
> But on the http://www.pietenpols.org website, it says the address is:
>
> Brodhead Pietenpol Association
> PO Box 3501
> Oshkosh, WI 54901
>
> Are these the same organization? I would like to subscribe to the
> newsletter but want to send the $16 to the right place.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike
>
>
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | turning base to final for runway 36L at Oshkosh |
Man, I don't know about you guys but flying that final
would take me about 10 minutes in 41CC, and that's at
cruise power! Talk about draggin' it in...
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Departures
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVvgEaEFcTQ
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| Subject: | Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles |
| From: | "Will42" <will(at)cctc.net> |
Clif; I like you chain link shackles. What size chain did you use for what size
cable.
Will
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256078#256078
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Video |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Cool video Pat. We missed Sunday... I'll bet that was neat.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256094#256094
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: ok, lemme have it! |
Phew. It's been a long couple of days. My wife has been really
stressed out over the plane purchase and when she gets stressed, the
house gets cleaned. Wwhen she goes on a cleaning binge I have to
protect my stuff lest it gets "cleaned" out into the trash cans!
She is getting used to the idea, just slowly.
Anyway...
Thanks for the feedback from everyone.
Jeff Boatright wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
> I looked N8031 over and I think it's great. This is just my opinion, but
> I think you should do a thorough preflight, maybe get a couple more
> knowledgeable people to go over the plane too, and then go fly! Life if
> really short, and the time that we have to fly is much, much shorter.
Yeah, the experimental physicist in me coming out and sometimes I need
to "just do it!" In other words, shut up and fly, Dan. Sage advice,
Jeff, thanks!
>
> As to your list, I comment on the items below:
>
>> - replace exhaust pipes - they're soft steel and starting to rust
>
> Everything in life is perpetually "starting to rust". Wait until there's
> a hole, then patch it. Rinse, repeat. If they get really knarly (like,
> in 10 years), maybe replace, but replace with mild steel. In my limited
> experience, stainless cracks easier. I've had two pipes depart the
> airplane (!), and they were professionally welded.
'nuff said. I won't worry about them until I need to worry about them.
>
>> - the finish has hairline cracks over the turtledeck stringers and there
>> are some circular rings on the horizontal stabilizer. Popular
>> consensus is that it's covered in original 1979 Stits Poly-fiber. How
>> long before I need to consider rejuvenating or recovering (I realize
>> that a punch test should really be performed...)?
>
> Punch test should be done at the annual condition inspection regardless
> of paint condition. Rejuvenator worked for me, can be played around
> with next rainy day.
Logs say it's Stits Polyfiber with Deero(sp?) Liquid Porcelain (Prairie
Gold) with blue 6920-0 Dulux trim. It was repainted in '98 with Sherwin
Williams (which explains the 50# weight gain!).
>> - There are some bubbles on the leading edge and wrinkles above the ribs
>> on the trailing edge, near the center of the plane. Not sure what
>> these are signs of...
>
> Me either. Send us pix.
The bubbles only appear on the left wing, not the right. I'm going to
venture a guess that he covered that wing first.
Here are picts of the wrinkles aft of the trailing spar:
http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2516
Logs say this:
6-20-85 T.T. 46 Hrs Aircraft stored - Rib stiching aft of rear spar rt.
wing cut by rodent. Replaced all ribb[sic] stiching aft of spar, wings
installed and rigged. Aircraft test flown OK...
>
>> - The elevator should be rebuilt - it's pretty warped. Sounds like a
>> good winter job.
>
> It just flew further than most Piets ever have. Maybe that warp provides
> perfect rigging? :) Also, do you mean one or both of the elevators, or
> do you mean the horizontal stabilizer? If it's the stab, maybe the warp
> can be handled by adjusting the flying wires.
Oh shoot, I was going to take a picture of this today, too. It's the
elevator, not the horizontal stabilizer.
>
>> - The static port needs to be put somewhere on the side of the plane,
>> not at the top of the jury strut even with the bottom of the wing.
>
> Static port? What's that? Try removing the port line into the altimeter,
> replacing with a plastic screw plug (hardware store item; sorry, can't
> remember thread stats) that you've drilled a tiny hole in.
Heh. There's a VSI in the cockpit! Makes me chuckle.
>
>> - Whoever built it really liked welding. The diagonal cabanes are
>> welded to the upright cabanes - there's no chance of just moving the
>> wing back a little with the current set up. The lift strut wing
>> fittings are welded, too - no pivoting is allowed.
>
> The cabanes welds are a potential positive safety feature - see
> archives. The lift struts being welded seems strange. Please send pix.
Here are picts:
http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2514
http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2509
I will go search the archives about welded diagonal cabanes.
>
>> - Gap seals on the ailerons, rudder, and elevators. This is a
>> no-brainer.
>
> Yep. We're still running the same "translucent" duct tape we installed
> three years ago. Another rainy day project. BTW, does the rudder really
> need it? I don't know; what are other's experiences?
So, Tres is an aerospace engineer with a company that build UAVs for
government use. He noticed that in a full slip the rudder pressure goes
to zero and it won't just naturally return to neutral position, so they
put yarn tufts all over the vertical stabilizer and rudder and video
taped what happened. The rudder actually stalls in the slip. My guess
is that since so much air is able to get through the gap between
stabilizer and the rudder it exacerbates the problem and helps the
stall. This is all gut feeling, intuition on my part. I could be way
off. Gap seal shouldn't hurt on the rudder, though.
Now to go fly...
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! |
Dave Abramson wrote:
>
> Hello all!
>
> Does anyone know where that Bleriot came from that was at Brodhead????
>
> Makes the Pietenpol look a little small too!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
>
>
The Bleriot XI belongs to Eric and Debbie Presten from Sonoma, CA. It is
an Airdrome Airplane from Rob Baslee in St. Louis, MO. Eric, Debbie and
their two boys Curtis and Ben put it together in 29 calendar days to
have it ready for Brodhead and Oshkosh. He test flew it then towed it to
Brodhead where it made a few hops down the field.
Eric is a photographer and author and self-publishes books on vintage
and antique airplanes. If you saw the Bleriot you probably saw Eric,
Debbie and the kids under the wing selling books. Eric also test-flew
the Nieuports Baslee built for the movie Flyboys and also flew another
Bleriot replica for the upcoming Amelia Erhart movie.
Eric will base the Bleriot at Sonoma Skypark after the airshow and
fly-in season. If any of you are out in the area, there are a number of
interesting airplanes based there as well as at the Schellville airport
two miles away.
Darrel Jones
Sonoma, CA
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles |
Just think. With a long enough pair we could prove the
world is flat.
At least in Manitoba where you can watch your dog run
away for three days. :-)
Sorry Will, I can't remember what size, just that the pin
hole is 3/16". It will be in the archives somewhere.
Also, just that one size for everything.
No on the Gb. I was too chicken to keep putting more
bricks in the milk case.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: "Will42" <will(at)cctc.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 10:21 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles
>
> OK; I've used this for years, just didn't know they had a name. Thanks for
> the info.
>
> Will
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255992#255992
>
>
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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
18:01:00
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| From: | Bill Budgell <capaviation(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: ok, lemme have it! |
Unless you have broken or rotted wood in your wings. then that is just a ba
d covering job. the fabric has not been shrunk enough to the proper tempatu
re. reshrink it or take it offf and recover the wing.
Bill Budgell
CAP Aviation
Tel: 705-422-1604 Cell:705-330-5763
Fax: 705-422-1604
Email: capaviation(at)rogers.com
--- On Tue, 8/4/09, Dan Yocum wrote:
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ok, lemme have it!
Received: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 11:02 PM
Phew.- It's been a long couple of days.- My wife has been really stress
ed out over the plane purchase and when she gets stressed, the house gets c
leaned.- Wwhen she goes on a cleaning binge I have to protect my stuff le
st it gets "cleaned" out into the trash cans!
She is getting used to the idea, just slowly.
Anyway...
Thanks for the feedback from everyone.
Jeff Boatright wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
> I looked N8031 over and I think it's great. This is just my opinion, but
I think you should do a thorough preflight, maybe get a couple more knowled
geable people to go over the plane too, and then go fly! Life if really sho
rt, and the time that we have to fly is much, much shorter.
Yeah, the experimental physicist in me coming out and sometimes I need to "
just do it!"- In other words, shut up and fly, Dan.- Sage advice, Jeff,
thanks!
>
> As to your list, I comment on the items below:
>
>> - replace exhaust pipes - they're soft steel and starting to rust
>
> Everything in life is perpetually "starting to rust". Wait until there's
a hole, then patch it. Rinse, repeat. If they get really knarly (like, in 1
0 years), maybe replace, but replace with mild steel. In my limited experie
nce, stainless cracks easier. I've had two pipes depart the airplane (!), a
nd they were professionally welded.
'nuff said.- I won't worry about them until I need to worry about them.
>
>> - the finish has hairline cracks over the turtledeck stringers and there
>>---are some circular rings on the horizontal stabilizer.- Popular
>>---consensus is that it's covered in original 1979 Stits Poly-fiber
.- How
>>---long before I need to consider rejuvenating or recovering (I rea
lize
>>---that a punch test should really be performed...)?
>
> Punch test should be done at the annual condition inspection regardless o
f paint condition. Rejuvenator worked for me,- can be played around with
next rainy day.
Logs say it's Stits Polyfiber with Deero(sp?) Liquid Porcelain (Prairie Gol
d) with blue 6920-0 Dulux trim.- It was repainted in '98 with Sherwin Wil
liams (which explains the 50# weight gain!).
>> - There are some bubbles on the leading edge and wrinkles above the ribs
>>---on the trailing edge, near the center of the plane.- Not sure
what
>>---these are signs of...
>
> Me either. Send us pix.
The bubbles only appear on the left wing, not the right.- I'm going to ve
nture a guess that he covered that wing first.
Here are picts of the wrinkles aft of the trailing spar:
http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2516
Logs say this:
6-20-85 T.T. 46 Hrs Aircraft stored - Rib stiching aft of rear spar rt. win
g cut by rodent.- Replaced all ribb[sic] stiching aft of spar, wings inst
alled and rigged.- Aircraft test flown OK...
>
>> - The elevator should be rebuilt - it's pretty warped.- Sounds like a
>>---good winter job.
>
> It just flew further than most Piets ever have. Maybe that warp provides
perfect rigging? :) Also, do you mean one or both of the elevators, or do y
ou mean the horizontal stabilizer? If it's the stab, maybe the warp can be
handled by adjusting the flying wires.
Oh shoot, I was going to take a picture of this today, too.- It's the ele
vator, not the horizontal stabilizer.
>
>> - The static port needs to be put somewhere on the side of the plane,
>>---not at the top of the jury strut even with the bottom of the win
g.
>
> Static port? What's that? Try removing the port line into the altimeter,
replacing with a plastic screw plug (hardware store item; sorry, can't reme
mber thread stats) that you've drilled a tiny hole in.
Heh.- There's a VSI in the cockpit!- Makes me chuckle.
>
>> - Whoever built it really liked welding.- The diagonal cabanes are
>>---welded to the upright cabanes - there's no chance of just moving
the
>>---wing back a little with the current set up.- The lift strut wi
ng
>>---fittings are welded, too - no pivoting is allowed.
>
> The cabanes welds are a potential positive safety feature - see archives.
The lift struts being welded seems strange. Please send pix.
Here are picts:
http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2514
http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2509
I will go search the archives about welded diagonal cabanes.
>
>> - Gap seals on the ailerons, rudder, and elevators.- This is a
>>---no-brainer.
>
> Yep. We're still running the same "translucent" duct tape we installed th
ree years ago. Another rainy day project. BTW, does the rudder really need
it? I don't know; what are other's experiences?
So, Tres is an aerospace engineer with a company that build UAVs for govern
ment use.- He noticed that in a full slip the rudder pressure goes to zer
o and it won't just naturally return to neutral position, so they put yarn
tufts all over the vertical stabilizer and rudder and video taped what happ
ened.- The rudder actually stalls in the slip.- My guess is that since
so much air is able to get through the gap between stabilizer and the rudde
r it exacerbates the problem and helps the stall.- This is all gut feelin
g, intuition on my part.- I could be way off.- Gap seal shouldn't hurt
on the rudder, though.
Now to go fly...
Dan
-- Dan Yocum
Fermilab- 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab.- Just zeros and ones.
le, List Admin.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | excellent YouTube videos posted by you guys ! |
THANK you all so much (Jeff Boatright, Jim Markle...and I'm sure I'm missin
g someone or two) for posting
all of those videos from Brodhead on YouTube. Just fantastic. Some of
you captured the same action
from different angles even. Super stuff. I'll be watching those in Febr
uary when there is 9" of snow
on the ground.
This will get you started if you missed the post (s) about the videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nIywIgxevI&feature=related
Mike C.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Steve Ruse from Oklahoma & hand propping |
Some of you Great Waldo Pepper movie fans will like this. I was fortunate
to be able to meet Steve Ruse
last Friday morning at Oshkosh and see his well-traveled airplane. Sure
is nice to see some younger blood
getting into Pietenpols---not that there is anything wrong with the veteran
s-they sure know a bunch.
After I got my departure briefing from the guys in the shack by the brown a
rch I pushed the airplane to
the flight line and was looking for a qualified person to prop me and saw S
teve again. I didn't even have
to think about how to ask him, the words just came out of my mouth. "I'd
be obliged if you'd prop me Steve"
(substituting Steve for son). Thanks Steve !
Mike C.
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| From: | Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Steve Ruse from Oklahoma & hand propping , Pietenpol-List: |
Steve Ruse from Oklahoma & hand propping
No problem Mike! It was really great to meet you too. I've always
admired your airplane, as everyone does. Meeting a few of you guys
sure makes me want to go to Broadhead. I'm itching to do it now.
Maybe next year Jim Markle and I can fly up together. Sounds like
several days of sheer fun.
Steve
Quoting "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
:
> Some of you Great Waldo Pepper movie fans will like this. I was
> fortunate to be able to meet Steve Ruse
> last Friday morning at Oshkosh and see his well-traveled airplane.
> Sure is nice to see some younger blood
> getting into Pietenpols---not that there is anything wrong with the
> veterans-they sure know a bunch.
>
> After I got my departure briefing from the guys in the shack by the
> brown arch I pushed the airplane to
> the flight line and was looking for a qualified person to prop me
> and saw Steve again. I didn't even have
> to think about how to ask him, the words just came out of my mouth.
> "I'd be obliged if you'd prop me Steve"
> (substituting Steve for son). Thanks Steve !
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: corvair mounts |
Hi Ryan,
I did not want to delete this from my inbox without thanking you. Obviously,
I got a little sidetracked with Brodhead and all, but when I got home I did
some real searching. Using the key words in Mark's description, I finally
found these at Summit Racing, online, and had the grommets within 2 days! I
am now ready to get the engine on its mount after I first finish up the
brakes this weekend.
Hopefully all is going well for you and Jess in moving your project to the
hanger/barn. I very much enjoyed meeting both of you.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: corvair mounts
I hadn't noticed the question before, so I may be a bit late with this. From
the Corvaircraft archives, here is Mark Langford describing what he used to
mount his engine:
-----------------
I'm using "Energy Suspension" 9.810R 3/8" I.D. Shock Tower Grommets,
straight from the local speed shop. I think WW may use some that are a
little larger in diameter, but these work too. I used AN6 bolts with
MS21042 steel lock nuts from Wicks. Also, I used 3/8" ID polyurethane
tubing from Home Depot between the engine case and bolt to take up the slack
in that .56 diameter hole in the case. Washers are large diameter AN970-6
from Wicks.
Mark flies the pants off his KR, so you can't go wrong following his lead.
Ryan
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM, skellytown flyer wrote:
Well I was at the hardware store and found some 1/2" O.D. Polyethylene
tubing that seems tough. I think I may try that on my bolts where they pass
through the case holes.I will make a mental note to keep watch on them and
see if I can see any wear.for sure it would be a good item to inspect at
annuals.Raymond
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: ok, lemme have it! |
Dan,
Your lift strut welds look similar to mine and those of other Piets
that I've seen. See if Westcoast Piet doesn't have some photos of
this fitment on various planes.
It's true that your cabane weldments won't allow moving the wing fore
or aft, but do you really want to? It sounds like Tres has flown it
with a variety of loadings and conducted various maneuvers that
encompass what you'd be doing. Did he do a weight and balance and
find problems? I suggest doing a W&B now and at every condition
inspection anyway, but do you know if your Piet currently has a
problem?
Along these lines, do you know if Tres put the plane through a
complete stall series with various power settings, loadings, and wing
angles (for instance, up to 20 degrees of turn)? Any spins? Knowing
that the plane is safe for these maneuvers will add confidence to
your flying (though spins may be more than anyone is willing to try
if they are not sure about any of these other maneuvers).
I have never seen puckering on wing fabric like that. I would be very
cautious about conducting any of these maneuvers (stalls, spins,
etc.) unless you know that they have been completed before with that
puckering and that nothing dramatic occurs. Seems to me, as suggested
by Bill, that the puckering creates a whole new airfoil. Also, as
Bill suggested, it is certainly possible to shrink the fabric if the
problem was that it wasn't shrunk correctly at installation. Sherwin
Wms comes right off if you apply strong masking tape - it's a
feature, not a bug...
HTH,
Jeff
>
>>>... The lift strut wing
>>> fittings are welded, too - no pivoting is allowed.
>>
>>The cabanes welds are a potential positive safety feature - see
>>archives. The lift struts being welded seems strange. Please send
>>pix.
>
>Here are picts:
>
>http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2514
>http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2509
>
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | A-380 landing video at Oshkosh |
I know this isn't Piet related but I didn't realize the Airbus hit the runw
ay carrier-style then PIO'ed a bit after
touchdown. The pilot probably wasn't used to seeing such a short runway.
(6,700')
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iIG1ZOPLJA
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | A-380 landing video at Oshkosh |
Ugly!!!
And I thought MY landing there looked bad.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh
I know this isn't Piet related but I didn't realize the Airbus hit the
runway carrier-style then PIO'ed a bit after
touchdown. The pilot probably wasn't used to seeing such a short runway.
(6,700')
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iIG1ZOPLJA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh |
I knew she wasn't worth top billing.
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| From: | Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh |
Ugh!!! That hurt!
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete.
On Aug 5, 2009, at 12:30 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
Aerospace Corporation]" wrote:
> I know this isn=99t Piet related but I didn=99t realize
the Airbus
> hit the runway carrier-style then PIO=99ed a bit after
> touchdown. The pilot probably wasn=99t used to seeing such a
short
> runway. (6,700=99)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iIG1ZOPLJA
>
>
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | A-380 landing video at Oshkosh |
Sure, I started doing that at Brodhead and then realized by the 3rd
landing that EVERYONE else's landings are better than mine! :-( >:-}
>What a great job!! Critiquing landings at Oshkosh!!................
>Where do I sign up?
>
>Gary Boothe
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | if for any other reason than this-- keep building and |
enjoy the view when you're done
Gorgeous, lush farm country somewhere in northern Illinois on Saturday mo
rning heading
from Joliet, IL. You don't see this kind of view from the aisle seat on a
737.
(and you don't get Sprite or Diet Coke either--unless you take it in the se
at with you !)
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building |
and enjoy
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Maybe I missed it, but you must have recovered your photos. That is a neat shot...
looks like a good place to practice emergency procedures.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256214#256214
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| Subject: | Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building |
and enjoy
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net> |
WOW What a view. Reminds me of late sixties early seventies flying a 450 Stearman
spraying potato bugs just East of Palatka, Fl.
Building rib #23
Jerry Dotson
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| From: | Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building |
and enjoy the view when you're done , Pietenpol-List: if for any other reason
than this-- keep building and enjoy the view when you're done
That is a great view! I saw a lot of pretty country in Northern Iowa
on my way up...I never knew that area was so hilly. I think that
roughly 97% of the state must be covered in corn. I'll try to post
some pictures soon.
My only question about your picture is how did you end up so high?
There must've been some terrible updrafts that day!
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
Quoting "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
:
> Gorgeous, lush farm country somewhere in northern Illinois on
> Saturday morning heading
> from Joliet, IL. You don't see this kind of view from the aisle
> seat on a 737.
>
> (and you don't get Sprite or Diet Coke either--unless you take it in
> the seat with you !)
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Cable-hardware store vs. certified |
| From: | "Will42" <will(at)cctc.net> |
Anyone with information on using hardware store cable vs. the certified stuff.
I see there is lots of difference in the price; what about the strength and quality?
Thoughts? Experience?
Will
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| Subject: | Re: Cable-hardware store vs. certified |
| From: | "Baldeagle" <baldeagle27(at)earthlink.net> |
I wouldn't do it, that cheap stuff is crud. Saving a few bucks that way isn't
worth it.
-
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| Subject: | Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building |
and enjoy the view when you're done
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you Mike, I just set that one as my desktop image on my work laptop.
It will keep my motivation up to get mine in the air ASAP so I can take my
own similar pictures. Great seeing you and the gang at Brodhead.
Rick
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] wrote:
> Gorgeous, lush farm country somewhere in northern Illinois on Saturday
> morning heading
> from Joliet, IL. You don't see this kind of view from the aisle seat on a
> 737.
>
> (and you don't get Sprite or Diet Coke either--unless you take it in the
> seat with you !)
>
> Mike C.
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building |
and enjoy the view when you're done
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
This is all I see every time up, guess I am pretty spoiled. When the engine quits,
it is a matter of picking the "best" empty, perfectly flat?field.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Cable-hardware store vs. certified |
Will,
I agree with Baldeagle! It has been stated before, by veteran builders, to
stick with AN hardware as much as possible. There are exceptions, such as
the use of motorcycle links to make attachments, but the strength of the
links are well demonstrated.
How far along are you in your project?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 2:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable-hardware store vs. certified
Anyone with information on using hardware store cable vs. the certified
stuff. I see there is lots of difference in the price; what about the
strength and quality? Thoughts? Experience?
Will
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| Subject: | Re: Cable-hardware store vs. certified |
Are you building a certified aircraft? Then you don't need certified
cable. Is it strong enough ? I dare say you would pull apart what ever it's
hook to before the cable would break. Buy a piece and test it to put your
mind at ease.
Howdy
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Cable-hardware store vs. certified |
One difference between aircraft cable and hardware store cable is the
lubricant that is impregnated into the aircraft cable (one reason you should
never wash your cable with a solvent - it will leach the lubricant out of
it). This lubricant is necessary to allow bending the cable over pulleys
without chafing the individual strands.
Ask Fisherman Ray how his Pietenpol is coming. He was building it
exclusively with materials from Home Depot.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
VAHOWDY(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable-hardware store vs. certified
Are you building a certified aircraft? Then you don't need certified
cable. Is it strong enough ? I dare say you would pull apart what ever it's
hook to before the cable would break. Buy a piece and test it to put your
mind at ease.
Howdy
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | The Fisherman ! Ray Axiillou Cable-hardware store |
vs. certified
You can use hardware, cable, glue, and varnish from Home Depot & Lowe's---just
don't take any of my family for a ride.
Mike C.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | how high was I flying ? |
Steve Ruse-- those photos were taken from a maxiumu o 2,000'msl. I can assure
you !
Mike C.
Never one to wander into the stratosphere.
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cable-hardware store vs. certified |
I didn't build my Piet but I have done a lot of minor "adjustments" to
it and this is my "view" of non aircraft items. "I know I could save
money by buying non aircraft items from Lowe's and maybe it would be ok.
However, I think my life is worth the extra dollars and I enjoy flying
so much that I would not want to interfere with that joy by worrying
about wether I did the right thing by buying because it was cheaper."
As I tell everyone, "I worry about everything on the ground, just so I
don't worry about them while I'm in the air."
Gene in Tennessee
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From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:24 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cable-hardware store vs. certified
One difference between aircraft cable and hardware store cable is the
lubricant that is impregnated into the aircraft cable (one reason you
should never wash your cable with a solvent - it will leach the
lubricant out of it). This lubricant is necessary to allow bending the
cable over pulleys without chafing the individual strands.
Ask Fisherman Ray how his Pietenpol is coming. He was building it
exclusively with materials from Home Depot.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable-hardware store vs. certified
Are you building a certified aircraft? Then you don't need
certified cable. Is it strong enough ? I dare say you would pull apart
what ever it's hook to before the cable would break. Buy a piece and
test it to put your mind at ease.
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| Subject: | Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Mike, the 360's landing was much better than mine, FAA wanted to know how many
hours I had in class, told them, (her ) 2000 plus, end of conversation, You Piet
Captains did a good job.
Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: ok, lemme have it! |
| From: | "skybachs" <skybachs(at)yahoo.com> |
If they re-stitched the wing, then the buckling fabric is a simple side-affect.
I would undo/redo those stitches...maybe a touch of heat from a heatgun while
the stitches were out would help as well.
Static port: if you move the static port to the back of the panel by removing the
static line and plugging, the low pressure in the cockpit area will give you
false readings. Try lowering the pitot/static tube to create more room from
the bottom of the wing. I put a bushing in front of my static port with a set
screw so I could slide it fore and aft from the static port until I got accurate
readings.
Warped stab can be tweaked with cable adjustments of course, but a warped elevator
is a cosmetic problem. Adding another hinge (or heck, a piano hinge full span)
might help....and you'd get your gap seal to boot.
Don't sweat the cabanes: all your wb adjustments will be with weight added/subtracted
around the plane.
If she's flying nose heavy or light but the wb is good, there are plenty of things
to adjust in the rigging and spring/bungees to add to the bellcrank or the
stick itself to help it trim out.
If I had known you were flying by, I would've invited you to stop by the Piet Factory
(or Brassroots as they're calling it) and done a once-over.
Rob
--------
NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
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| From: | "skybachs" <skybachs(at)yahoo.com> |
Anybody heading this way for Grassroots/Brodhead in September?
I'm 50 sm due east of Brodhead (BUU) at an airport with cheap gas and nice grass.
Anybody who wants or needs a little pre-Brodhead tweak/clean is welcome to
stop by the shop and use what I have available.
We'll be taking the Piet and a Clipper as well as our ground-support vehicle for
transporting camping supplies, ice, and a variety of 'juices'. If you want to
unload or ship anything ahead of your trip, feel free to use my place as you
like.
Rob
--------
NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
I would love to be there, but if I come, it will be in the RV-4. One across
the mountains in a year in the Piet is enough for me.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Icarus Plummet
Raleigh, NC
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Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Grassroots 2009
Anybody heading this way for Grassroots/Brodhead in September?
I'm 50 sm due east of Brodhead (BUU) at an airport with cheap gas and nice
grass. Anybody who wants or needs a little pre-Brodhead tweak/clean is
welcome to stop by the shop and use what I have available.
We'll be taking the Piet and a Clipper as well as our ground-support vehicle
for transporting camping supplies, ice, and a variety of 'juices'. If you
want to unload or ship anything ahead of your trip, feel free to use my
place as you like.
Rob
--------
NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
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| From: | TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | KZ400 wheels and plans for Jenny style gear |
I've got a line on some KZ400 wheels - they're 18" but only 1.6" rim with a
5 1/2" hub. Would need to replace the bearings but my question is are the
rims too narrow? The tires are 3" wide... This is for a front rim. The
rears have the integral brake drum built into the hub - I'm considering thi
s too for use of the brakes - I like the drum brakes being simple cable ope
rated. I think the rears are 1.85" wide.
Opinions or experience?
Also - my Hoopman plans didn't include any gear plans except the cub style
- are the Jenny style plans available seperately? I could probably go from
photos and other peoples dimensions / descriptions=2C but plans would be n
ice if they're available.
Thanks=2C
Tom Brant
Brooklyn Park=2C MN
80% fuselage=2C tail=2C ribs done=2C 40% Corvair engine - Buying spar mater
ial in another two weeks - yeah!
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| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! |
I was heading out to work this morning at about 8 a.m. Pacific and
passed Eric and Debbie coming back into town with the Bleriot in tow. I
think he had said that he might hangar it at Schellville, where Frank
Schelling has his original Curtis Jenny JN-4H. Eric test flew the Jenny
and has flown most of the rides in it for Frank. If you come to Northern
California be sure to get by Schellville and Sonoma Skypark.
Darrel Jones
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| Subject: | Re: KZ400 wheels and plans for Jenny style gear |
| From: | "Will42" <will(at)cctc.net> |
[quote="tmbrant(at)msn.com"]
Also - my Hoopman plans didn't include any gear plans except the cub style - are
the Jenny style plans available seperately? I could probably go from photos
and other peoples dimensions / descriptions C but plans would be nice if they're
available.
Thanks C
Tom Brant
Brooklyn Park C MN
80% fuselage C tail C ribs done C 40% Corvair engine - Buying spar material in
another two weeks - yeah!
> [b]
Tom; I believe the wood/straight axel gear plans are available from the Pietenpol
family; these are also detailed in the '32 Flying and Glider manual.
Will
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| Subject: | Re: KZ400 wheels and plans for Jenny style gear |
| From: | "skybachs" <skybachs(at)yahoo.com> |
What's the axle size?
I've got some Yamaha 90 wheels that would be terrific, but the axle is only 1/2".
Much too wimpy for MY landings :)
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NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
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| From: | TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: KZ400 wheels and plans for Jenny style gear |
axle size is 17 MM (5/8") but if you press out the bearings=2C it could be
larger. Another thing to consider is the gauge of the spokes - the KZ400 s
pokes are pretty heavy.
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: KZ400 wheels and plans for Jenny style gear
> From: skybachs(at)yahoo.com
> Date: Wed=2C 5 Aug 2009 19:40:40 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> What's the axle size?
>
> I've got some Yamaha 90 wheels that would be terrific=2C but the axle is
only 1/2". Much too wimpy for MY landings :)
>
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> NX29NX=2C C65=2C Hegy prop=2C Blue/Cream flying!
> NX31TM=2C C85-12=2C GN-1=2C 90% done=2C Red/Cream
> NX30NX=2C Corvair=2C on gear=2C wings/tail done
> NX31NX=2C Hatz CB-1=2C O-320B=2C on gear=2C ribs done
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256286#256286
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| Subject: | Re: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Speaking of the Jenny.....I've this pic out there before, but why not once
more. Here's a shot of the Jenny taxiing back down 9, framed under the wing
of Kurt's Piet at Grassroots '08:
http://users.rcn.com/ryan.mueller/P1010207.JPG
Ryan
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Darrel Jones wrote:
>
> I was heading out to work this morning at about 8 a.m. Pacific and passed
> Eric and Debbie coming back into town with the Bleriot in tow. I think he
> had said that he might hangar it at Schellville, where Frank Schelling has
> his original Curtis Jenny JN-4H. Eric test flew the Jenny and has flown most
> of the rides in it for Frank. If you come to Northern California be sure to
> get by Schellville and Sonoma Skypark.
>
> Darrel Jones
>
>
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building |
and enjoy the view when you're done
Mike, That rual landscape is VERY tempting to go low and buzz all the farm
houses you see.- I was tempted to do just that on my way home from OSH on
tues morning, but I behaved since I was flying with Don E.- We had a goo
d time flying home.- The strangest part was the bitter sweet feeling of l
eaving OSH.- I guess because saying so long to a great group of Pieters,
and knowing I won't get up to Brodhead for a few years makes it sad, but ge
tting the hell out of Plastic Airplane central, where pizza is only 20 buck
s a slice, and addmision is only 25 bucks a day....anyways I might go back
to OSH in 2019 for the 90th, untill then I will make Brodhead my Mecca.-
Fly safe and hope to see Y'all soon.- I am hoping to make MERFI , so any
piets that want to, head on in to my place and we will fly over togeather.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | N444MH- Howard Henderson's Piet |
Howdy, low 'n' slow fliers-
I had forgotten that we have a very historic, authentic, and
nice Air Camper right down here in south Texas... it's 444MH,
the beautiful Ford-powered Piet that Howard Henderson built
in the 80s and that was in Sport Aviation in 1989. The entire
story and pix are still on Grant McLaren's pages, at
http://www.grantmaclaren.com/444mh/index.html including a shot
of the instrument panel, which is about as simple as they get.
The airplane is now owned by Ron Hollmer, who lives down in the
Ingleside/Aransas Pass area (near Corpus Christi, TX) and he
and his wife Pat were kind enough to send me some recent pix of
the airplane. I'll forward those to Chris Tracy for adding to
his westcoastpiet treasure-trove.
Straight axle gear, wooden gear legs, about as true to the original
BHP plans as they get.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: ok, lemme have it! |
Jeff Boatright wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
> Your lift strut welds look similar to mine and those of other Piets that
> I've seen. See if Westcoast Piet doesn't have some photos of this
> fitment on various planes.
>
> It's true that your cabane weldments won't allow moving the wing fore or
> aft, but do you really want to? It sounds like Tres has flown it with a
> variety of loadings and conducted various maneuvers that encompass what
> you'd be doing. Did he do a weight and balance and find problems? I
> suggest doing a W&B now and at every condition inspection anyway, but do
> you know if your Piet currently has a problem?
Tres did do a W&B but didn't find anything that needed to be addressed
immediately otherwise I'm sure he would have done it.
The only reason I'm thinking about addressing the issue is because it
does take some forward pressure on the stick to keep it level - the
plane does NOT fly hands off when power is applied. With power off it
flies nice and level.
Again, gap seals on the horizontal should help.
>
> Along these lines, do you know if Tres put the plane through a complete
> stall series with various power settings, loadings, and wing angles (for
> instance, up to 20 degrees of turn)? Any spins? Knowing that the plane
> is safe for these maneuvers will add confidence to your flying (though
> spins may be more than anyone is willing to try if they are not sure
> about any of these other maneuvers).
Looking at the phase I flight logs, the original builder took the plane
to 120mph on 2 occasions and 140mph on another!
The first flight I had in it, we did a couple of power off stalls - it
mushed right out and mostly straight ahead. It might have dropped a
little on the right side, but that could have been due to turbulence
(lots of thermals marked by Cu's in the sky).
>
> I have never seen puckering on wing fabric like that. I would be very
> cautious about conducting any of these maneuvers (stalls, spins, etc.)
> unless you know that they have been completed before with that puckering
> and that nothing dramatic occurs. Seems to me, as suggested by Bill,
> that the puckering creates a whole new airfoil. Also, as Bill suggested,
> it is certainly possible to shrink the fabric if the problem was that it
> wasn't shrunk correctly at installation. Sherwin Wms comes right off if
> you apply strong masking tape - it's a feature, not a bug...
The puckering is behind the rear spar so the puckers might even help
keep the air attached to the wing! ;-)
Thanks for the feedback,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: ok, lemme have it! |
Bill Budgell wrote:
> Unless you have broken or rotted wood in your wings. then that is just a
> bad covering job. the fabric has not been shrunk enough to the proper
> tempature. reshrink it or take it offf and recover the wing.
Nope, no ribs are broken, luckily. And now that you say it, it makes
perfect sense that the correct amount of heat wasn't applied.
Can that be fixed this many years and 2 coats of top coat/paint later?
Maybe I'll just ignore it for the time being - it's flown 9,000+ miles
in the last 18 months, and 3,200 of those in the past 2 weeks!
Thanks,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: ok, lemme have it! |
Hi Rob,
skybachs wrote:
>
> If they re-stitched the wing, then the buckling fabric is a simple side-affect.
I would undo/redo those stitches...maybe a touch of heat from a heatgun while
the stitches were out would help as well.
>
> Static port: if you move the static port to the back of the panel by removing
the static line and plugging, the low pressure in the cockpit area will give
you false readings. Try lowering the pitot/static tube to create more room from
the bottom of the wing. I put a bushing in front of my static port with a set
screw so I could slide it fore and aft from the static port until I got accurate
readings.
>
It's even worse than that - the static port line was cut *inside* the
wing so it should just be moved somewhere on the fuselage.
Tres did a full Vx, Vy, max L/D, min sink analysis on the plane for a
school paper and it shows that the airspeed indicated on the ASI is off,
but the difference is linear over the flight envelope. For the time
being I'll use his numbers to get the feel for the plane, and put a new
static port on the side sometime in the future.
> Warped stab can be tweaked with cable adjustments of course, but a warped elevator
is a cosmetic problem. Adding another hinge (or heck, a piano hinge full
span) might help....and you'd get your gap seal to boot.
>
Where the horizontal stab/elevator hinge, it's straight. The TE of the
elevator is warped end-to-end. Kind of strange...
> Don't sweat the cabanes: all your wb adjustments will be with weight added/subtracted
around the plane.
>
> If she's flying nose heavy or light but the wb is good, there are plenty of things
to adjust in the rigging and spring/bungees to add to the bellcrank or the
stick itself to help it trim out.
>
> If I had known you were flying by, I would've invited you to stop by the Piet
Factory (or Brassroots as they're calling it) and done a once-over.
>
BUU isn't very far from LL53. When I can drop by? ;-)
> Rob
>
> --------
> NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
90mph on a A-65 on a Piet? Was there a tailwind on the day you flew
home from OSH?
> NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
> NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
> NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
Clearly you have too much time your hands. Here, let me lend you a
couple of twin 2 year olds...
Cheers,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | flying low over farm fields |
Great fun that is Shad. I learned my lesson though to scope out for wires
, but good, about 10 years ago when I came around a stand of trees over fla
t farmland and came upon high tension wires-fortunately the wires were abou
t 2,000 feet ahead of me so I had plenty of time to divert. I was down lo
w chasing a friend in his Cub ala the Kessler/Pepper scenes in The Great Wa
ldo Pepper. (but not with near the theatrics or engine noises) Great fun
but you really have to know the field (s) well.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Lee Bottom/ Hanover, Indiana / Grassroots 2009 |
Hmmm..if you RV-4 up there Jack I'd drive up unless it conflicts with the same
weekend as Ginger and Rich Davidson's Lee Bottom Flying Field gathering--which was amazing last year. Loved it. More: http://www.leebottom.com/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | flying low over farm fields |
Yes...I'm the third greatest pilot in the world behind Kessler and Waldo Pe
pper:) Yeah, right !!!
I actually lost a good dogfight to a 73 year old guy by the name of Bob Whi
te flying his Cub on my
tail. I seriously could not shake Bob so I smoked him-and looked back, he'
s weaving and going
all over the place because he couldn't see squat in the smoke-he was that c
lose to me. Great fun
but I was humbled-he was a good stick !
Tell us how you fought the black and yellow German...... Ernst Kessler.....
.. you fought Ernst Kessler?
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| From: | Michael.D.Cuy(at)nasa.gov |
| Subject: | Watch Bleriot XI Replica |
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | flying low over farm fields |
folks in Wichata gave 10.. 20 dollars to see a crash like this
Oh-you saw some of my landings did you ? :)
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| From: | Michael.D.Cuy(at)nasa.gov |
| Subject: | Watch Elvis in Action |
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| Subject: | Re: flying low over farm fields |
| From: | "Baldeagle" <baldeagle27(at)earthlink.net> |
It's reassuring that people here quote Waldo Pepper....
-
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256393#256393
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: flying low over farm fields |
They're good People Andrew !
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Baldeagle
>Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:08 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying low over farm fields
>
>
>
>It's reassuring that people here quote Waldo Pepper....
>
>
>-
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256393#256393
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | great EAA photo of Ken Perkins |
WOW-I finally found ONE photo of a Pietenpol in the EAA photo galleries. P
erhaps there are more but even in the Sunday arrival video they show FACTOR
Y builts landing-Bonanzas, Mooneys, Cessnas. Pathetic.
Mike C.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | great EAA photo of Ken Perkins |
There was also a nice shot that I found in the gallery:
Jack Phillips
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: great EAA photo of Ken Perkins
WOW-I finally found ONE photo of a Pietenpol in the EAA photo galleries.
Perhaps there are more but even in the Sunday arrival video they show
FACTORY builts landing-Bonanzas, Mooneys, Cessnas. Pathetic.
Mike C.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: flying low over farm fields |
Whatcha doin' in California Newt ?
New guy.....Brown.
Well I'll get him when he gets down.
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: flying low over farm fields |
"I still am cute"
No archive
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Watch Elvis in Action |
Mikee-
We lived nearly 10 years in Medford, Oregon- which is next
door to Central Point, home of Erickson Aircrane and the
Sikorski conversions in the video. They fly all over the
world doing firefighting, selective logging, rescue, heavy
lifting and placement, and other specialized tasks. Very
interesting but remote connection to experimental aviation
is that while I was still living in Oregon, Jack Erickson
also located and restored a P-38 Lightning to complete and
authentic flying condition and I got to see one of the test
flights. I believe the airplane is in the Tillamook Air Museum,
http://www.warbirdregistry.org/p38registry/p38-4427083.html
Tillamook is about 60 miles from McMinnville, where the one
and only Hughes HK-1 "Spruce Goose" is now located. Since the
Spruce Goose has wooden structural components, I have now
connected this topic with the Pietenpol Air Camper and made
the post relevant ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
"The last time I went flying with you all I saw was the inside of a paper sac"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: great EAA photo of Ken Perkins |
Is there an organization for those of us who still enjoy the more
traditional aspects of aviation? What the EAA was all about in the
fifties, sixties, and seventies?
I thought I had heard that Paul Poberezny had started a grassroots
organization a few yeas back, but I can't recall the details. Does
anyone know of such a group?
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete.
On Aug 6, 2009, at 4:30 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation]" wrote:
> WOW=94I finally found ONE photo of a Pietenpol in the EAA photo
galler
> ies. Perhaps there are more but even in the Sunday arrival video th
> ey show FACTORY builts landing=94Bonanzas, Mooneys, Cessnas.
Patheti
> c.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: great EAA photo of Ken Perkins |
Paul had started the Sport Aviation Association but it is now defunct.
If you are looking for something similar to the good old days look no
further than the BPA........
Greg Cardinal
SAA #1468
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Bressler
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: great EAA photo of Ken Perkins
Is there an organization for those of us who still enjoy the more
traditional aspects of aviation? What the EAA was all about in the
fifties, sixties, and seventies?
I thought I had heard that Paul Poberezny had started a grassroots
organization a few yeas back, but I can't recall the details. Does
anyone know of such a group?
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete.
On Aug 6, 2009, at 4:30 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation]" wrote:
WOW=94I finally found ONE photo of a Pietenpol in the EAA
photo galleries. Perhaps there are more but even in the Sunday arrival
video they show FACTORY builts landing=94Bonanzas, Mooneys,
Cessnas. Pathetic.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh |
Lowell,
As I recall the ATIS for 36L "340 at 19 gusting to 24". What happened to
you could have happened to any one of us.
Skip
> Mike, the 360's landing was much better than mine, FAA wanted to know how
many hours I had in class, told them, (her ) 2000 plus, end of
conversation, You Piet Captains did a good job.
> Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: great EAA photo of Ken Perkins |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Speaking of Ken, I missed an absolutely perfect shot of him polishing the
Ford emblem on his engine by seconds. This was the best I could do:
http://users.rcn.com/ryan.mueller/IMG_0392.JPG
Ryan
P.S.: Thanks for the pic Mike. A nice shot...
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] wrote:
> WOW=97I finally found ONE photo of a Pietenpol in the EAA photo gallerie
s.
> Perhaps there are more but even in the Sunday arrival video they show
> FACTORY builts landing=97Bonanzas, Mooneys, Cessnas. Pathetic.
>
> Mike C.
>
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| Subject: | Re: ok, lemme have it! |
| From: | "skybachs" <skybachs(at)yahoo.com> |
Come on up any time. Bring your elevators if you want to learn how to recover and
we'll see if we can get them straight.
Putting the static port in the propwash never works real well with the Piets. I'd
be happy to help you re-route the static line to it's proper spot. There's
always room in the shop for another Piet!
Drop me an e-mail if you'd like to come up, by Piet or car, it's not that far.
[Wink]
Rob
--------
NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256457#256457
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| Subject: | Re: flying low over farm fields |
| From: | "skybachs" <skybachs(at)yahoo.com> |
Favorite line at the Miracle Aircraft Company shop-full-o-Piets:
"A monoplane. Are you telling me you're building me an airplane with only one wing?"
"Just thought you'd like to know: the biplane's gone the way of the Dodo. "
--------
NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256458#256458
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: flying low over farm fields |
weren't you scared? don't be dumb
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| From: | "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au> |
Hi all
How much do I curve the wing tip bow?
Is it to the same curve as the top of the rib?
Carson
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256480#256480
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| From: | "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au> |
Carson,
I followed a line which was half of the height of the wing rib. Check out
http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_0605_JPG.jpg
It seemed to work out alright.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
Sent: Friday, 7 August 2009 10:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing question
Hi all
How much do I curve the wing tip bow?
Is it to the same curve as the top of the rib?
Carson
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
Skip is 100% right-- that incident could have happened to anyone of us Lowell.
Mother Nature was rough that morning with those gusty conditions. Just a matter
of timing in the flare if you're dealt a lull between gusts or you get slammed.
There are some days when landing a Pietenpol in gusty conditions should
qualify one to be certified to ride bulls.
Wednesday during the Homebuilt Review Showcase (where they shafted one of our three
Pietenpol guys--Jack Phillips by cutting one of the Piets out of the event)
the Rotec powered Junior Ace from Poplar Grove nearly lost it in similar wind
conditions when landing. Three times he nearly had his wing tips in the turf--scary
stuff but he managed to add power, continue down the runway and get
a second chance.
I was astonished at the ineptitude of the EAA/FAA/and law enforcement people who
kept Lowell and his plane out on the runway for well over an hour. First off---Lowell's
well being, once that was established to not be an issue they should
have cleared off and talked with him elsewhere if they needed to. I should
know better--if the gov't is involved they will take the least practical path
to a conclusion.
Mike C.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
I did just what Peter did. Just make it the midpoint of the height between
the capstrips at each point along the airfoil. In other words, make the
wingtip follow the camber line of the airfoil.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W
Johnson
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:04 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wing question
Carson,
I followed a line which was half of the height of the wing rib. Check out
http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_0605_JPG.jpg
It seemed to work out alright.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
Sent: Friday, 7 August 2009 10:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing question
Hi all
How much do I curve the wing tip bow?
Is it to the same curve as the top of the rib?
Carson
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | 1st time at Oshkosh: Randy Bush by his Corvair-powered |
NX294RB
There were several other first-timers in our group to Oshkosh like Skip Gad
d and perhaps
Rob Bach, Mike Madrid-but didn't keep track very well. It was a pleasure
to see Randy
Bush in Wisconsin with his dream come true. Great stuff.
Mike C.
PS-have you used your 2009 glass mug yet Randy ?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | 1st time at Oshkosh: Randy Bush by his Corvair-powered |
NX294RB
I've had a good time following Randy's progress with his Pietenpol. Randy
is from my hometown (Jackson, Tennessee) and my mother has sent me newspaper
clippings through the years about Randy's Pietenpol project. What I didn't
know until recently was that Randy's mother (a Nurse) used to work for my
father (who was a physician). I met Randy's mom at Brodhead and enjoyed
talking with her. Small world!
Nice job, Randy, and another good-looking Pietenpol added to the field at
Brodhead.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1st time at Oshkosh: Randy Bush by his
Corvair-powered NX294RB
There were several other first-timers in our group to Oshkosh like Skip Gadd
and perhaps
Rob Bach, Mike Madrid-but didn't keep track very well. It was a pleasure
to see Randy
Bush in Wisconsin with his dream come true. Great stuff.
Mike C.
PS-have you used your 2009 glass mug yet Randy ?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
You're looking at an airline pilot son
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Keyes <keyesmp(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | side door cut out for front seat |
I was surfing the net the other night during down time at work (don't tell
my boss) and came across a video of a young gentleman trying to climb into
the front seat.- It did not look easy.- Maybe I just missed it, but I d
on't recall seeing any Piets with a door cut out to make things easier.-
Has any one had luck with this?- If so, what additional bracing is needed
?- How about steel fuseluges, are they more forgiving of such mods?- Al
so, sorry I forgot which one it was, but one of the beautiful Corvair power
ed Piets had tabs on the bottom longeron, aft of the pilot seat... float at
tachments?- Just a guess.
-
Matt
-=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | side door cut out for front seat |
Matt,
Gary Price developed a door mod for the front seat some years ago, but few
Piets use it. Basically, anyone too large to be able to climb into the
front cockpit of a Piet is probably too heavy to carry anyway. Any door mod
requires cutting the upper longeron and that is simply not a good idea,
particularly in the area between the cabane struts (and the landing
gear/lift strut fittings). Substantial beefing up of the remaining
structure attempts to restore some of the strength lost by cutting the
longeron, and succeeds in adding substantial weight.
I'm 6'2" and 200 lbs and I can make it into the front 'pit of my Piet with
little trouble. My wife does it all the time.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Keyes
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
I was surfing the net the other night during down time at work (don't tell
my boss) and came across a video of a young gentleman trying to climb into
the front seat. It did not look easy. Maybe I just missed it, but I don't
recall seeing any Piets with a door cut out to make things easier. Has any
one had luck with this? If so, what additional bracing is needed? How
about steel fuseluges, are they more forgiving of such mods? Also, sorry I
forgot which one it was, but one of the beautiful Corvair powered Piets had
tabs on the bottom longeron, aft of the pilot seat... float attachments?
Just a guess.
Matt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: ok, lemme have it! |
skybachs wrote:
>
> Come on up any time. Bring your elevators if you want to learn how to recover
and we'll see if we can get them straight.
Elevators will be a winter project, so in a few months when it starts
getting cold.
> Putting the static port in the propwash never works real well with the Piets.
I'd be happy to help you re-route the static line to it's proper spot. There's
always room in the shop for another Piet!
Yeah, I gotta stop thinking like a glider pilot and remember that
there's a big windmill up in front.
>
> Drop me an e-mail if you'd like to come up, by Piet or car, it's not that far.
[Wink]
This weekend is out - I'm on kid duty - but maybe next weekend Stefano
and I will fly up. I'll drop you a line a couple days ahead of time to
see if you'll be around.
Thanks!
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | side door cut out for front seat |
Kurt Shipman's Piet (Lindy Award winner, Osh "09!) has tabs for floats.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Keyes
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 1:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
I was surfing the net the other night during down time at work (don't tell
my boss) and came across a video of a young gentleman trying to climb into
the front seat. It did not look easy. Maybe I just missed it, but I don't
recall seeing any Piets with a door cut out to make things easier. Has any
one had luck with this? If so, what additional bracing is needed? How
about steel fuseluges, are they more forgiving of such mods? Also, sorry I
forgot which one it was, but one of the beautiful Corvair powered Piets had
tabs on the bottom longeron, aft of the pilot seat... float attachments?
Just a guess.
Matt
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: side door cut out for front seat |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jack,
You better re-read the last line=C2-of your=C2-previous post before yo
ur wife=C2-sees it :O)
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:33 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
Matt,
=C2-
Gary Price developed a door mod for the front seat some years ago, but few
Piets use it.=C2- Basically, anyone too large to be able to climb into
the front cockpit of a Piet is probably too heavy to carry anyway.=C2-
Any door mod requires cutting the upper longeron and that is simply not
a good idea, particularly in the area between the cabane struts (and the
landing gear/lift strut fittings).=C2- Substantial beefing up of the re
maining structure attempts to restore some of the strength lost by cutting
the longeron, and succeeds in adding substantial weight.
=C2-
I=99m 6=992=9D and 200 lbs and I can make it into the fr
ont =98pit of my Piet with little trouble.=C2- My wife does it all
the time.
=C2-
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
=C2-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Keyes
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
=C2-
I was surfing the net the other night during down time at work (don't tell
my boss) and came across a video of a young gentleman trying to climb in
to the front seat.=C2- It did not look easy.=C2- Maybe I just missed
it, but I don't recall seeing any Piets with a door cut out to make thing
s easier.=C2- Has any one had luck with this?=C2- If so, what addition
al bracing is needed?=C2- How about steel fuseluges, are they more forgi
ving of such mods?=C2- Also, sorry I forgot which one it was, but one of
the beautiful Corvair powered Piets had tabs on the bottom longeron, aft
of the pilot seat... float attachments?=C2- Just a guess.
=C2-
Matt
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: side door cut out for front seat |
Yeah, wow, she's 6'2"...? ;-)
Matt
At 02:33 PM 8/7/2009 Friday, you wrote:
>Jack,
>
>You better re-read the last line of your previous post before your wife sees it
:O)
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:33 pm
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
>
>Matt,
>
>Gary Price developed a door mod for the front seat some years ago, but few Piets
use it. Basically, anyone too large to be able to climb into the front cockpit
of a Piet is probably too heavy to carry anyway. Any door mod requires cutting
the upper longeron and that is simply not a good idea, particularly in
the area between the cabane struts (and the landing gear/lift strut fittings).
Substantial beefing up of the remaining structure attempts to restore some of
the strength lost by cutting the longeron, and succeeds in adding substantial
weight.
>
>I'm 6'2" and 200 lbs and I can make it into the front cockpit of my Piet with
little trouble. My wife does it all the time.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>Raleigh, NC
>
>
>----------
>From: <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com>owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Keyes
>Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:17 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
>
>I was surfing the net the other night during down time at work (don't tell my
boss) and came across a video of a young gentleman trying to climb into the front
seat. It did not look easy. Maybe I just missed it, but I don't recall seeing
any Piets with a door cut out to make things easier. Has any one had luck
with this? If so, what additional bracing is needed? How about steel fuseluges,
are they more forgiving of such mods? Also, sorry I forgot which one it
was, but one of the beautiful Corvair powered Piets had tabs on the bottom longeron,
aft of the pilot seat... float attachments? Just a guess.
>
>Matt
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http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net> |
| Subject: | Re: side door cut out for front seat |
My Piet has a door. the fuselage and tail feathers are all welded
tubing and the cut-out is reinforced and yes it makes it a lot easier
to get in.
You cn see numerous pics of my Piet on the Westcoast piet site in it
is NX20795.
Look under the name Roman Bukolt.
On Aug 7, 2009, at 3:16 PM, Matt Keyes wrote:
> I was surfing the net the other night during down time at work
> (don't tell my boss) and came across a video of a young gentleman
> trying to climb into the front seat. It did not look easy. Maybe I
> just missed it, but I don't recall seeing any Piets with a door cut
> out to make things easier. Has any one had luck with this? If so,
> what additional bracing is needed? How about steel fuseluges, are
> they more forgiving of such mods? Also, sorry I forgot which one it
> was, but one of the beautiful Corvair powered Piets had tabs on the
> bottom longeron, aft of the pilot seat... float attachments? Just a
> guess.
>
> Matt
>
>
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Shipman's fuselage tabs |
In speaking with Kurtat Brodhead I believe he indicated those tabs were for snow
skis-- the bungee that holds the rear tips
of the skis.
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| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
You fellows ,I don't think you know the half of it, I got a registered letter late
Friday , dated Thursday, saying that I have 10 days from the letter's date
to respond to FAA regarding practically redoing my complete Private License Tests
learning over, from getting a tail dragger to be retested , check ride ,
Area operations III,, IV etc, Where does one begin ? so far dozens of phone calls
just to find an Instructor with a conventional gear plane, and when asked
if it would be OK to take my check-ride in a Pietenpol HA only certified craft
with ALL paper work on the plane complete. and it goes on and on. Still no airplanes
yet available and I don't blame anyone to get involved , what a hassle
and with over 2000 tail dragger hours.
Pieti Lowell
Wednesday during the Homebuilt Review Showcase (where they shafted one of our three
Pietenpol guys--Jack Phillips by cutting one of the Piets out of the event)
the Rotec powered Junior Ace from Poplar Grove nearly lost it in similar wind
conditions when landing. Three times he nearly had his wing tips in the turf--scary
stuff but he managed to add power, continue down the runway and get
a second chance.
I was astonished at the ineptitude of the EAA/FAA/and law enforcement people who
kept Lowell and his plane out on the runway for well over an hour. First off---Lowell's
well being, once that was established to not be an issue they should
have cleared off and talked with him elsewhere if they needed to. I should
know better--if the gov't is involved they will take the least practical path
to a conclusion.
Mike C.[/quote]
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256592#256592
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| From: | "Chet Hartley" <chethartley1(at)mchsi.com> |
| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
Pieti,
I have my Piet for sale and I't will be gone by next weekend, but I would be
happy to help you out as in getting you reinstated, and the tail dragger
endorsment.
I'm a CFII with lots of tail dragger time also, I'm sure you can teach me a
couple of things.
Please fell free to e-mail me or call
chethartley1(at)mchsi.com
573-645-0534
Brent Scott and I know each other and I live only a few miles from him.
Chet
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
Lowell,
Have you told EAA about this? If this is the treatment you get, why
should anyone fly into Oshkosh, particulalry anyone with a
taildragger?
Jeff
>
>You fellows ,I don't think you know the half of it, I got a
>registered letter late Friday , dated Thursday, saying that I have
>10 days from the letter's date to respond to FAA regarding
>practically redoing my complete Private License Tests learning over,
>from getting a tail dragger to be retested , check ride , Area
>operations III,, IV etc, Where does one begin ? so far dozens of
>phone calls just to find an Instructor with a conventional gear
>plane, and when asked if it would be OK to take my check-ride in a
>Pietenpol HA only certified craft with ALL paper work on the plane
>complete. and it goes on and on. Still no airplanes yet available
>and I don't blame anyone to get involved , what a hassle and with
>over 2000 tail dragger hours.
>Pieti Lowell
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
I thought this kind of thing is what your AOPA is for.
Clif
> Lowell,
>
> Have you told EAA about this? If this is the treatment you get, why
> should anyone fly into Oshkosh, particulalry anyone with a
> taildragger?
>
> Jeff
>>
>>You fellows ,I don't think you know the half of it, I got a
>>registered letter late Friday , dated Thursday, saying that I have
>>10 days from the letter's date to respond to FAA regarding
>>practically redoing my complete Private License Tests learning over,
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| From: | "Jared Yates" <junk(at)jaredyates.com> |
| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
Lowell, I've been through what you are going through, and I must say that it
is can be an unpleasant experience. You aren't by chance enrolled in the
AOPA legal services plan, are you? I found first-hand that FAA inspectors
can try to overstep their power and duties quite regularly. Having someone
to ask "can they ask me that" made it much easier for me.
It is a privilege that they have to re-evaluate any airman, at the airman's
expense. It stinks, but you'll have to take it seriously! If they don't
give you a satisfactory result to the checkride, you won't be able to fly
anymore. Respond before the deadline, and keep in mind that you don't have
to take the checkride within 10 days, you just have to respond. In my case,
it was actually a month or two after the accident before the re-evaluation
ride.
Also note that you aren't obliged to answer questions about the past. The
FAA inspectors know that they don't have the privilege of interrogating you
to try and get evidence for a violation. In my case they were trying to use
the reevaluation ride as a chance to do just that. I spent a couple of
hours dodging questions about the accident flight and requesting that the
inspector stick to general questions about my qualifications to hold my
certificate. It was a diplomatic tightrope to say the least. I hope that
you end up with a good FSDO and inspector, and that your experience was
better than mine. Let them know that you are going to have trouble finding
a tailwheel airplane to rent, and that should buy you some time. You might
also consider hiring a specialized aviation lawyer if you are not in the
legal services plan, depending on how important it is to you that you
continue to hold your certificate. You can also find the inspector's
handbook online and read about what the boundries are for the checkride, as
far as what they should and shouldn't be asking you about.
>From this point on, take notes about who you talk to at the FAA/NTSB,
including the date and time, and a brief summary of the discussion. In my
case my file fell between the cracks on their end, and they tried to accuse
me of avoiding the checkride, when they had actually not been returning my
phone calls. This is the kind of thing you might be up against! The folks
at both the NTSB and the FAA are not your friend. As for the rest of you,
think seriously about that legal services plan! As some have said, this
type of thing can happen to any of us.
Hang in there! You can do this, but be smart about it.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pieti Lowell
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 10:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday
You fellows ,I don't think you know the half of it, I got a registered
letter late Friday , dated Thursday, saying that I have 10 days from the
letter's date to respond to FAA regarding practically redoing my complete
Private License Tests learning over, from getting a tail dragger to be
retested , check ride , Area operations III,, IV etc, Where does one begin ?
so far dozens of phone calls just to find an Instructor with a conventional
gear plane, and when asked if it would be OK to take my check-ride in a
Pietenpol HA only certified craft with ALL paper work on the plane
complete. and it goes on and on. Still no airplanes yet available and I
don't blame anyone to get involved , what a hassle and with over 2000 tail
dragger hours.
Pieti Lowell
Wednesday during the Homebuilt Review Showcase (where they shafted one of
our three Pietenpol guys--Jack Phillips by cutting one of the Piets out of
the event) the Rotec powered Junior Ace from Poplar Grove nearly lost it in
similar wind conditions when landing. Three times he nearly had his wing
tips in the turf--scary stuff but he managed to add power, continue down the
runway and get a second chance.
I was astonished at the ineptitude of the EAA/FAA/and law enforcement people
who kept Lowell and his plane out on the runway for well over an hour.
First off---Lowell's well being, once that was established to not be an
issue they should have cleared off and talked with him elsewhere if they
needed to. I should know better--if the gov't is involved they will take
the least practical path to a conclusion.
Mike C.[/quote]
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256592#256592
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| From: | TRichmo9(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: flying low over farm fields |
jim you need any help a voice from the past tom
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | side door cut out for front seat |
She's not 6'2", but she's not 5'2" either . Karen is about 5' 9" tall. She
doesn't seem to have any problem climbing into the front seat.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
Yeah, wow, she's 6'2"...? ;-)
Matt
At 02:33 PM 8/7/2009 Friday, you wrote:
>Jack,
>
>You better re-read the last line of your previous post before your wife
sees it :O)
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:33 pm
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
>
>Matt,
>
>Gary Price developed a door mod for the front seat some years ago, but few
Piets use it. Basically, anyone too large to be able to climb into the
front cockpit of a Piet is probably too heavy to carry anyway. Any door mod
requires cutting the upper longeron and that is simply not a good idea,
particularly in the area between the cabane struts (and the landing
gear/lift strut fittings). Substantial beefing up of the remaining
structure attempts to restore some of the strength lost by cutting the
longeron, and succeeds in adding substantial weight.
>
>I'm 6'2" and 200 lbs and I can make it into the front cockpit of my Piet
with little trouble. My wife does it all the time.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>Raleigh, NC
>
>
>----------
>From:
owner-pietenpol-list-serve
r(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf
Of Matt Keyes
>Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:17 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
>
>I was surfing the net the other night during down time at work (don't tell
my boss) and came across a video of a young gentleman trying to climb into
the front seat. It did not look easy. Maybe I just missed it, but I don't
recall seeing any Piets with a door cut out to make things easier. Has any
one had luck with this? If so, what additional bracing is needed? How
about steel fuseluges, are they more forgiving of such mods? Also, sorry I
forgot which one it was, but one of the beautiful Corvair powered Piets had
tabs on the bottom longeron, aft of the pilot seat... float attachments?
Just a guess.
>
>Matt
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http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | viewing the posts |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <rhano(at)att.net> |
is it just me or are others having trouble seeing the posts? some seem to be so
wide I have to scroll way to the right to read all of a message and see the rest
of the picture. is there a way to correct that or is it just because the large
picture size causes it to run out? as you see I'm not computer literate.but
have sure enjoyed the fine pictures and got some good ideas for how to enclose
my cowl. I have finally gotten my air scoops done and ready to start that
next. Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256628#256628
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| From: | "Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: wing question |
I did the same thing as Peter. looks good.--Jim Lagowski
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:04 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wing question
>
>
> Carson,
>
> I followed a line which was half of the height of the wing rib. Check out
> http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_0605_JPG.jpg
>
> It seemed to work out alright.
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> Wonthaggi Australia
> http://www.cpc-world.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
> Sent: Friday, 7 August 2009 10:47 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing question
>
>
> Hi all
> How much do I curve the wing tip bow?
> Is it to the same curve as the top of the rib?
> Carson
>
>
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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
06:22:00
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | landing at Oshkosh on Sunday & Kurt's attach points |
Lowell-- I thought somewhere in the front of Sport Aviation they have a legal advocacy
group department that can help you thru
such things as the FAA is trying to put you thru.
My apologies for posting incorrect info about Kurt Shipman's Piet fittings-- they
are in fact for floats.
Mike C.
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: viewing the posts |
I also open some of these messages and have to scroll for some and not for others.
I did a bit of reconfiguring on my email client (what I use to open/view emails)
and the scrolling seems to have gone away....maybe you need to tweak the program
setup a little....I don't know, but it's worth a try...
And I agree, the pictures are great and I still marvel at what fantastic ideas
show up here...except that sometimes I have to go change something that's already
built because of a "new" way of doing something shows up in a picture....I've
finally stopped that though and have decided to finish "as is" and modify
later....
It will probably be a little over 100 degrees in NE Oklahoma today....I'll definitely
need to open the doors and turn on the big fan!
Trammeling wings and finishing lift strut fittings today.....JM
-----Original Message-----
>From: skellytown flyer <rhano(at)att.net>
>Sent: Aug 8, 2009 7:45 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: viewing the posts
>
>
>is it just me or are others having trouble seeing the posts? some seem to be so
wide I have to scroll way to the right to read all of a message and see the
rest of the picture. is there a way to correct that or is it just because the
large picture size causes it to run out? as you see I'm not computer literate.but
have sure enjoyed the fine pictures and got some good ideas for how to enclose
my cowl. I have finally gotten my air scoops done and ready to start that
next. Raymond
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256628#256628
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday & Kurt's attach points |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks Mike,
I am getting good support on this one, I will keep all posted,, as I know others
might be in the same position.
Pieti Lowell
.
.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256645#256645
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | 10 years ago, 1999: 70th Anniversary of the Pietenpol |
Air Camper
I know I've posted this before but Lowell Frank and Bill Rewey were with us when
we flew SEVENTEEN Pietenpols from Hartford, WI into
Oshkosh on Runway 18L. (the taxiway turned runway for the event) There was a
southwest crosswind and a DC-3 tookoff from 18R
and his propwash upset on of our group upon landing, damaging his airplane. I
can't think of the gents name off hand but he was from MO.
I don't recall the hubbub that ensued but know he ended up having to trailer his
plane home.
Something like this where they will dog a guy who is totally competent to belittle
him to get some dual and a sign off in tailwheels after
thousands of hours (in type even) is irritating when you KNOW that there are all
kinds of accidents that go unreported--some I've seen
at my home base where the airplane is quietly put away in the hangar. Some of
those accidents should be investigated though because
of incompetency or poor maintenance but the FAA can't differentiate I guess and
have to put everyone thru the meat grinder if it be
a whoopsie or your medical getting reinstated.
Years ago a pair of guys from a nearby grass airport went up to the Lake Erie Islands,
bought a case of wine and flew it back--drinking
all the way. They overshot the runway in the Cessna Cardinal and went across
a road, shearing off both wings between two trees. They
got the airport Ford 8N out, dragged the mess back to the hangar and locked the
doors. Those are the kinds of guys who need some
wrist slaps.
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| From: | "Dick N." <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday & Kurt's attach points |
Hi Lowell
I was just ahead of you, landing at the same time and it could have just as
easily been me on the side of the runway. I caught the same gust and
thought I had broke a bungee as my wing tip was way down and I had every bit
of rudder and aileron stuffed in to hold the wing down. Good luck with the
feds.
I still have your strobe. If you would send me your address off list, I'll
mail it back.
Dick N. horzpool(at)goldengate.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday & Kurt's attach
points
>
>
> Thanks Mike,
> I am getting good support on this one, I will keep all posted,, as I know
> others might be in the same position.
> Pieti Lowell
> .
>
> .
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256645#256645
>
>
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| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | side door cut out for front seat |
To door, or not to door... that is the question.
Corky already had a well reinforced door cutout on his second Piet-- my current
project. (Oscar's Piet was his first.) I am keeping the cutout and have fabbed
a door. Concerned about hard landings and stress points right there, I added
one more diagonal brace, as well.
As Jack rightly says, no doubt you lose strength cutting the top longeron. You
gain weight trying to get enough strength, not all of it, back. Those are good
reasons not to do it. However, many of my likely future passengers, like myself,
just don't bend that well anymore. For instance, my wife is only 5' 3"
and under 100 pounds, but she is no longer flexible. [As an aside, I doubt,
despite my best intentions, that she will ever fly in it. She doesn't like first
class in a 747. Her loss. I am still hopeful.]
I became somewhat convinced the door could be a good idea when my neighbor my same
age, 67, at 6 feet and in good shape ( a runner), had some trouble getting
into and out of the Piet here, even with the door cutout and a stepstool. There
is just not a lot of room to put feet, trunk, shoulders, through various restrictions
and into the right spaces.
A few months back Oscar took a passenger of about 55 years age and 200 pounds.
He was of average height, but I saw that he had a lot of trouble bending into
the spaces, both getting in and out. Of course, even with the door cutout, I
will be unlikely to carry someone my height, girth, and weight. It's a fact.
In short, having a door is a choice with some possible future benefits but known
immediate penalties. It also adds complexity and time to the build. Likely
many who add the door, I have specific passengers in mind that I/they wish to
fit. That's my case-- as I once told Chuck Gantzer, I am trying to make it easier
for tall Nicole Kidman to get in ;) Seriously, on balance, if Corky had
not already done a good job with the coutout, I likely would not have added a
door. It's your choice.
Tim in central TX
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:33 pm
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
>>
>>Matt,
>>
>>Gary Price developed a door mod for the front seat some years ago, but few
>Piets use it. Basically, anyone too large to be able to climb into the
>front cockpit of a Piet is probably too heavy to carry anyway. Any door mod
>requires cutting the upper longeron and that is simply not a good idea,
>particularly in the area between the cabane struts (and the landing
>gear/lift strut fittings). Substantial beefing up of the remaining
>structure attempts to restore some of the strength lost by cutting the
>longeron, and succeeds in adding substantial weight.
>>
>>I'm 6'2" and 200 lbs and I can make it into the front cockpit of my Piet
>with little trouble. My wife does it all the time.
>>
>>Jack Phillips
>>NX899JP
>>Raleigh, NC
>>
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| Subject: | Re: viewing the posts |
| From: | "Will42" <will(at)cctc.net> |
I am having the same experience on some of the post; even those without pictures
and under the same heading as those that display without scrolling. No e-mail
involved here so I don't know how to remedy. I also have trouble with the search
feature; have to continually do the search over to see additional posts.
Will
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256663#256663
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| Subject: | Re: side door cut out for front seat |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Guys,
I know there is a set of plans (from Yesterday's Wings Aeroplane Works)
published that I saw from Mike Groah for a door in the passenger side. I was
under the belief it was engineered to be strong enough for the plane.
Mark
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Tim Willis wrote:
> timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
>
> To door, or not to door... that is the question.
>
> Corky already had a well reinforced door cutout on his second Piet-- my
> current project. (Oscar's Piet was his first.) I am keeping the cutout and
> have fabbed a door. Concerned about hard landings and stress points right
> there, I added one more diagonal brace, as well.
>
> As Jack rightly says, no doubt you lose strength cutting the top longeron.
> You gain weight trying to get enough strength, not all of it, back. Those
> are good reasons not to do it. However, many of my likely future
> passengers, like myself, just don't bend that well anymore. For instance,
> my wife is only 5' 3" and under 100 pounds, but she is no longer flexible.
> [As an aside, I doubt, despite my best intentions, that she will ever fly
> in it. She doesn't like first class in a 747. Her loss. I am still
> hopeful.]
>
> I became somewhat convinced the door could be a good idea when my neighbor
> my same age, 67, at 6 feet and in good shape ( a runner), had some trouble
> getting into and out of the Piet here, even with the door cutout and a
> stepstool. There is just not a lot of room to put feet, trunk, shoulders,
> through various restrictions and into the right spaces.
>
> A few months back Oscar took a passenger of about 55 years age and 200
> pounds. He was of average height, but I saw that he had a lot of trouble
> bending into the spaces, both getting in and out. Of course, even with the
> door cutout, I will be unlikely to carry someone my height, girth, and
> weight. It's a fact.
>
> In short, having a door is a choice with some possible future benefits but
> known immediate penalties. It also adds complexity and time to the build.
> Likely many who add the door, I have specific passengers in mind that
> I/they wish to fit. That's my case-- as I once told Chuck Gantzer, I am
> trying to make it easier for tall Nicole Kidman to get in ;) Seriously, on
> balance, if Corky had not already done a good job with the coutout, I likely
> would not have added a door. It's your choice.
>
> Tim in central TX
>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
> >>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >>Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:33 pm
> >>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
> >>
> >>Matt,
> >>
> >>Gary Price developed a door mod for the front seat some years ago, but
> few
> >Piets use it. Basically, anyone too large to be able to climb into the
> >front cockpit of a Piet is probably too heavy to carry anyway. Any door
> mod
> >requires cutting the upper longeron and that is simply not a good idea,
> >particularly in the area between the cabane struts (and the landing
> >gear/lift strut fittings). Substantial beefing up of the remaining
> >structure attempts to restore some of the strength lost by cutting the
> >longeron, and succeeds in adding substantial weight.
> >>
> >>I'm 6'2" and 200 lbs and I can make it into the front cockpit of my Piet
> >with little trouble. My wife does it all the time.
> >>
> >>Jack Phillips
> >>NX899JP
> >>Raleigh, NC
> >>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: side door cut out for front seat |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Mark,
I have not seen the plans, or spoken with anyone involved with them, but I
would be curious to know if proper stress analyses(sp?) were performed for
those drawings, or whether they were drawn because it 'looked good'. Not to
disparage those that drew them up; just curious.
I concur with Jack's opinions on the detriments to adding the door. Some
have built one in, and it has worked; I'm just not a fan. I look at the door
argument and say this: why, in all his years of building Pietenpol Air
Campers and making changes to the design such as lengthening the fuselage,
using a Corvair auto engine, etc, did he never an Air Camper with a door for
the front cockpit (I've never heard/read of one)? He mentions lengthening
the cabanes four inches on the first Piet built for the Corvair; what other
reason for doing that would he have besides easing entry into the front
cockpit? And if a door was a better idea, why didn't he do that instead? I'm
sure it wasn't because he didn't think of it. He had been in and around
aviation for probably 30 some-odd years by that point, and I'm sure he had
observed side entry doors on many other open cockpit biplane/parasol
aircraft.
Finally, I think there's an issue with Matt using that video for
illustrating how difficult it is to get into a Piet. No doubt, it is more
challenging than many light aircraft. However, it appears that the gentleman
attempting to enter the cockpit was not given a proper step-by-step
explanation of how to do it, and he did not have someone helping him
accomplish it. He just had a cameraman standing there laughing at him as he
tried to figure it out (no offense to the cameraman, I'm just sayin'). With
a minute of explanation, and some help to accomplish it, I'm sure it would
looked far less foolish. It would have been less funny for us to watch, but
I digress....
Ryan
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> Hey Guys,
>
> I know there is a set of plans (from Yesterday's Wings Aeroplane Works)
> published that I saw from Mike Groah for a door in the passenger side. I was
> under the belief it was engineered to be strong enough for the plane.
>
> Mark
>
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Tim Willis wrote:
>
>> timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
>>
>> To door, or not to door... that is the question.
>>
>> Corky already had a well reinforced door cutout on his second Piet-- my
>> current project. (Oscar's Piet was his first.) I am keeping the cutout and
>> have fabbed a door. Concerned about hard landings and stress points right
>> there, I added one more diagonal brace, as well.
>>
>> As Jack rightly says, no doubt you lose strength cutting the top longeron.
>> You gain weight trying to get enough strength, not all of it, back. Those
>> are good reasons not to do it. However, many of my likely future
>> passengers, like myself, just don't bend that well anymore. For instance,
>> my wife is only 5' 3" and under 100 pounds, but she is no longer flexible.
>> [As an aside, I doubt, despite my best intentions, that she will ever fly
>> in it. She doesn't like first class in a 747. Her loss. I am still
>> hopeful.]
>>
>> I became somewhat convinced the door could be a good idea when my neighbor
>> my same age, 67, at 6 feet and in good shape ( a runner), had some trouble
>> getting into and out of the Piet here, even with the door cutout and a
>> stepstool. There is just not a lot of room to put feet, trunk, shoulders,
>> through various restrictions and into the right spaces.
>>
>> A few months back Oscar took a passenger of about 55 years age and 200
>> pounds. He was of average height, but I saw that he had a lot of trouble
>> bending into the spaces, both getting in and out. Of course, even with the
>> door cutout, I will be unlikely to carry someone my height, girth, and
>> weight. It's a fact.
>>
>> In short, having a door is a choice with some possible future benefits but
>> known immediate penalties. It also adds complexity and time to the build.
>> Likely many who add the door, I have specific passengers in mind that
>> I/they wish to fit. That's my case-- as I once told Chuck Gantzer, I am
>> trying to make it easier for tall Nicole Kidman to get in ;) Seriously, on
>> balance, if Corky had not already done a good job with the coutout, I likely
>> would not have added a door. It's your choice.
>>
>> Tim in central TX
>>
>> >>>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>> >>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> >>Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:33 pm
>> >>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
>> >>
>> >>Matt,
>> >>
>> >>Gary Price developed a door mod for the front seat some years ago, but
>> few
>> >Piets use it. Basically, anyone too large to be able to climb into the
>> >front cockpit of a Piet is probably too heavy to carry anyway. Any door
>> mod
>> >requires cutting the upper longeron and that is simply not a good idea,
>> >particularly in the area between the cabane struts (and the landing
>> >gear/lift strut fittings). Substantial beefing up of the remaining
>> >structure attempts to restore some of the strength lost by cutting the
>> >longeron, and succeeds in adding substantial weight.
>> >>
>> >>I'm 6'2" and 200 lbs and I can make it into the front cockpit of my Piet
>> >with little trouble. My wife does it all the time.
>> >>
>> >>Jack Phillips
>> >>NX899JP
>> >>Raleigh, NC
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | I hope the list is dead tonight..... |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
....because everyone is out flying the pants off of their Piets, or getting
rides in Piets, or taking to the skies any which way they possibly can. My
better half (and you that met her know that is a severe understatement) is
working this evening. I have spent some time cleaning firearms, and will
spend some time cleaning our engine block later on. I hope everyone is
having an enjoyable weekend!
Ryan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
A little update on my engine swap. Last weekend I got the
engine started and everything came up normally but the engine
developed an oil leak about the time I was ready to shut it
down anyway. Also had a very slow drip from the Curtis valve
on the gascolator and the prop was one bolt out of "clock" and
a bit out of track.
Today I took care of all those squawks. Re-clocked and shimmed
the prop to bring it into track, replaced the Curtis drain valve
on the gascolator (DO NOT try to just replace the O-ring on the
nose of the valve... if it leaks, replace it). The oil leak
turned out to be at one of the oil gallery plugs at the front
of the engine and I think I'm eventually going to have to heli-
coil it because the threads on that side aren't great. Engine
started up just fine, runup was normal, and off we went to seat
the rings. Here are a couple of lessons learned.
Performance figures will
not mean anything right now because the engine is very tight
and I flew the airplane with the cowling off, in order to have
everything where I could see it readily. If Dick Navratil can
fly his Rotec radial powered piet with no cowling, so can I!
And I also figured flying it without the cowling would provide
more drag and thus more load on the engine to help with seating
the rings.
1. In a slip (or even in straight flight), a bare Piet firewall
into the wind is more effective than flaps, a belly board, and
Precise Flight wing spoilers. In other words, it has the coefficient
of drag of a broadside barn door. My first approach to landing
was nearly vertical.
2. With power on, this engine/prop combo goes into the redline
VERY quickly when the nose goes down and revs build very readily.
Same for the airplane... nose down equals Vne very quickly unless
power is pulled off right now. It didn't do that with the 65.
3. (A) It gets VERY bumpy on an August afternoon. (B) The vertical
travel of the fuel needle on a Stromberg NAS3 carb is only about
1/16" from full open to full shut. (C) When a Piet with a
Stromberg hits a big summer bump on downwind, the rapid vertical
change can bounce the float in the carb, making the engine
hiccup momentarily. (D) When cautiously breaking in a new engine
and it hiccups, it can make a Piet pilot's heart stop. I now
know this ;o)
The engine is running strong and smooth, starts easily (but is
still very stiff), and promises to provide the airplane with a
real kick in the pants. The proof will come soon, as I put the
cowling back on and get more relaxed in the airplane where I
can put it through its paces.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC, A75 and Culver prop
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Enduring attributes of the Pietenpol design |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Gentlemen,
With all this talk about front cockpit doors etc, I think this, an appropriate
time, to take the opportunity to expound on one?of the great?attributes?of the
Pietenpol design.
* Difficulty of entry. In order to get into the front cockpit, one must be somewhat
of a contortionist. In my airplane (not yet flying) I have?concluded upon
a number of specific instructions.?
1) Chock wheels.
2) Step over?left-rear wing strut and brace wire with left foot/leg.
3) While lifting left foot and leg, place left foot on top of left tire.?Using
left hand, grasp?left-front wing strut.
4) Place right hand, onto left-hand front cockpit longeron. Pull body weight forward,?with
both hands/arms, placing entire body weight onto left?leg. Continuing
to lift body weight forward, and after slight?hesitation at the top, begin
to shift body weight to the port side, so as to allow oneself to lift right leg
to sufficient height?to allow to swing right foot over the top of the left-hand
passenger cockpit longeron, all-the-while bending the body forward into a
quite?unatural position, (hoping that cramping will not set-in) and down onto
the front passenger seat frame. (I will have a "red dot" placed in the appropriate
spot as to have a "place of reference" to?inform the potential front seat
passenger where the correct?placement is, to put the right foot, at this stage
of entry, since my seat is woven whicker, and consequently is kind of weak
in the middle).
5) While?changing body weight onto right foot, continue to shift body weight to
starboard, being careful as to not knock one's head into the?downward-protruding
fuel gauge (that is obviously in the way) at this point of the entry procedure.
6) Continue shifting body weight to starboard, and?protrude passenger head out
past (and in between and through) right-hand cabane struts, until potential passenger
has shifted sufficient body weight over so he (she) is able to lift the
left leg up, over, and into the front cockpit floor area. Once this has been
accomplished, the passenger can "settle" down into the front seat, awaiting help
from the pilot/crew, to fasten all appropriate seat belts etc.
?
Let's not forget, that Bernard (he pronounced it "Ber-nerd") never, ever,?mentioned
this design change. As such, it will never be "approved".
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | I hope the list is dead tonight..... |
Cleaning your guns? That's a good way to keep your Better Half in line...
I had a fantastic day! Just finished ALL the welding on my straight axle
(similar to Larry Williams'). I'll paint tonight and install tomorrow. I
cannot say how many months I have been fretting over this!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 4:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: I hope the list is dead tonight.....
....because everyone is out flying the pants off of their Piets, or getting
rides in Piets, or taking to the skies any which way they possibly can. My
better half (and you that met her know that is a severe understatement) is
working this evening. I have spent some time cleaning firearms, and will
spend some time cleaning our engine block later on. I hope everyone is
having an enjoyable weekend!
Ryan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | video of a gent who is 6' 3" tall getting into a Pietenpol |
I've had guys in their 80's get into my cockpit. Raise the cabanes 2 or 3" higher
than plans and forget about the door. Get a Cub or Champ
if you want a door:) Kidding-- put a door in if you want but you don't need one.
Mike C.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-EgR2eGbN0
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Milestone day in my Pietenpol build |
Today was a great one! I've been installing a used A-65 on my project
for the last 3 weeks. I bought it about 18 months ago and it had just
been sitting on the hangar floor since then. Today everything was
finally all hooked up, the prop installed, fuel lines, engine gauges,
etc. I turned on the fuel and immediately had a dripping from the
carbureter. Turns out I hadn't tightened the filter screen cover. That
was fixed quick enough. With the switch off I pulled it through 6
blades and could tell by the sound of the carbureter that it had fuel.
On the second blade if fired on 2 or 3 cylinders. I switched it off and
pulled through 2 more blades, switch on, and it started! I had the
tailwheel tied to a tree, but still I only ran it up to 1500 rpm and
only ran it a few minutes because I haven't installed the eyebrows yet.
>From this link you can see the smile I had.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=399331&l=5d09aea9f0&id=1542217055
After that I loaded my wings onto my trailer and took them out to the
airport so I'd have more room in my shop. I'm hoping to get my decals
installed next week and get through the 2 or 3 hundred small projects
still necessary to finish this thing off.
Ben Charvet
Mims Fl
Hoping to have it in the air for the 80th anniv year
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Milestone day in my Pietenpol build |
Way to go Ben and way to go Oscar-- both engines have RUN !
Your new Florida outdoor air conditioner unit, right Ben ?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Milestone day in my Pietenpol build |
Way to go, Ben!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Milestone day in my Pietenpol build
Today was a great one! I've been installing a used A-65 on my project
for the last 3 weeks. I bought it about 18 months ago and it had just
been sitting on the hangar floor since then. Today everything was
finally all hooked up, the prop installed, fuel lines, engine gauges,
etc. I turned on the fuel and immediately had a dripping from the
carbureter. Turns out I hadn't tightened the filter screen cover. That
was fixed quick enough. With the switch off I pulled it through 6
blades and could tell by the sound of the carbureter that it had fuel.
On the second blade if fired on 2 or 3 cylinders. I switched it off and
pulled through 2 more blades, switch on, and it started! I had the
tailwheel tied to a tree, but still I only ran it up to 1500 rpm and
only ran it a few minutes because I haven't installed the eyebrows yet.
>From this link you can see the smile I had.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=399331&l=5d09aea9f0&id=1542217055
After that I loaded my wings onto my trailer and took them out to the
airport so I'd have more room in my shop. I'm hoping to get my decals
installed next week and get through the 2 or 3 hundred small projects
still necessary to finish this thing off.
Ben Charvet
Mims Fl
Hoping to have it in the air for the 80th anniv year
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | I hope the list is dead tonight..... |
Cool, Gary.
One thing about the wire wheel Pietenpol - you'll draw a crowd wherever you
go.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:05 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: I hope the list is dead tonight.....
Cleaning your guns? That's a good way to keep your Better Half in line...
I had a fantastic day! Just finished ALL the welding on my straight axle
(similar to Larry Williams'). I'll paint tonight and install tomorrow. I
cannot say how many months I have been fretting over this!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 4:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: I hope the list is dead tonight.....
....because everyone is out flying the pants off of their Piets, or getting
rides in Piets, or taking to the skies any which way they possibly can. My
better half (and you that met her know that is a severe understatement) is
working this evening. I have spent some time cleaning firearms, and will
spend some time cleaning our engine block later on. I hope everyone is
having an enjoyable weekend!
Ryan
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: side door cut out for front seat |
Mark,
You can make the cutout strong enough. My point is that it is likely never as
strong as before the top longeron was cut, and it certainly weighs more.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Roberts
Sent: Aug 8, 2009 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
Hey Guys,
I know there is a set of plans (from Yesterday's Wings Aeroplane Works) published
that I saw from Mike Groah for a door in the passenger side. I was under the
belief it was engineered to be strong enough for the plane.
Mark
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: A65 to A75 swap |
Good job!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Axle welding |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Looks good Gary!!=C2- One more milestone checked off.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sat, Aug 8, 2009 8:05 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: I hope the list is dead tonight.....
Cleaning your guns? That=99s a good way to keep your Better Half in
line..
=C2-
I had a fantastic day! Just finished ALL the welding on my straight axle
(similar to Larry Williams=99). I=99ll paint tonight and inst
all tomorrow. I cannot say how many months I have been fretting over this!
=C2-
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done,=C2-Fuselage=C2-on gear
(13 ribs down)
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 4:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: I hope the list is dead tonight.....
=C2-
....because everyone is out flying the pants off of their Piets, or gettin
g rides in Piets, or taking to the skies any which way they possibly can.
My better half (and you that met her know that is a severe understatement
) is working this evening. I have spent some time cleaning firearms, and
will spend some time cleaning our engine block later on. I hope everyone
is having an enjoyable weekend!
Ryan
=C2-
=C2-
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.
matronics.com/contribution
=C2-
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Smoyer <mox499(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Magneto and prop for Model A |
Hi, Guys,
Can anyone recommend good sources for a magneto and a prop to use with the Model
A engine?
Thanks.
John Smoyer
Hockessin, DE
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Enduring attributes of the Pietenpol design |
| From: | amsafetyc(at)aol.com |
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Milestone day in my Pietenpol build |
Ben; it's quite a feeling, isn't it? The work seems to go
faster and with more purpose once the airplane has a beating
heart.
One small suggestion, and you may have already done this but
it wasn't evident in the photo- while doing engine tests,
keep a fire extinguisher handy and out of range of the engine
and spinning prop. Mine could have come in handy when I
first started my A65 since my engine flooded frequently
before I got the hang of starting it, and things do tend to
leak when you're doing initial fitup. There are plenty of
pictures and videos of fresh engine starts where a new project
burnt to the ground.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC- A75 and Culver prop
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | side door cut out for front seat |
Referencing the 55-year-old guy that I gave a ride to and
that Tim mentioned, I want to clarify that the gentleman
informed me that he had back and shoulder injuries, bad
knees, and was a smoker. He had an inordinately difficult
time climbing into my airplane due to his physical issues.
It really isn't all that difficult.
And to the matter of putting a red dot, "X", or other mark
on the front seat where a passenger should land their foot
when climbing in, the difficulty is that in that point of
the maneuver, their head is well out the starboard side,
and they cannot look down past the top longeron to see the
seat. In cases like that, I generally help guide their
foot to the proper place on the seat because they have no
idea. The thing is, once a person has done it once or
twice, they seem to slither in much more easily, all the
sooner to get settled in and airborne. I have never had
a passenger get out and say they'll never go up in a Piet
again... most are ready and willing to go back up at the
next offer of a ride and it will be much easier for them
to climb in the second time around.
Except for women, who always seem to need assistance in the
form of some strategically-placed manual guidance, eh Mikee??
"Never disconcert the Ms.'s"- is that the new mantra?
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | side door cut out for front seat |
As to the side door cutout, that entire side framing of
the fuselage can be infilled with 1" thick polystyrene
foam board and glassed both sides, a la KR. That treatment
will provide VERY adequate strength and stiffness to the
area where a door cutout is made. Normal fabric
covering can then proceed and the fiberglass will only be
visible inside the cockpits on the cutout side.
I have no idea what the new load paths would be, but
I'll wager that the cutout will no longer be the "soft"
structural area of that side of the airplane.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Magneto and prop for Model A |
| From: | "Will42" <will(at)cctc.net> |
J. Anderson of Cloudcars propellers (325-356-2810) can recommend a prop and build
it too and he will work with you to find what you want/need.
As for the magneto choice; there are lots of good mags out there and priced right
if you look around (ebay always has lots of them listed). A four cylinder tractor
mag with the correct rotation is what you need; also whether flange mount
or base mount depending on your set-up. I would recommend a side drive rather
than the end mount; it's much easier to get to if service is needed. You might
want to talk to a magneto shop to see what mags still have service parts available
if needed.
I haven't tried this but I believe a nice side drive can be fashioned from a governor
drive set-up.
Will
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256775#256775
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | accident/incident investigations |
Mikee- it's interesting that you mention the cases that you
have seen, and the hassles that Pieti (Lowell Frank) is going
through. I thought for sure I was going to have to endure
the same sort of grilling when 41CC went over on its nose. I
researched the definition of "accident" and "incident" and I
thought for sure that the situation with 41CC was an "accident"
and that both Charlie (pilot) and I (owner) were in for some
hell from the NTSB and FAA. Not so. Apparently the
investigators didn't even care to come look at the airplane
even though we didn't touch it after retrieving it from the
field and moving it to the hangar. We sent pictures and
someone from a local law enforcement agency came by to look at
it, but the big boys didn't deem it serious enough to slap
either me or Charlie. Strange to think that Lowell's incident
was serious enough in their eyes to cause all this ruckus, yet
the situation with 41CC was not.
Carb ice stopped the engine, an off-field landing was made in
a rough field, welds broke on the landing gear legs, collapsing
the gear and putting the airplane on its nose and then over on
its back. I dunno... sounds a little bit more like an "accident"
than Lowell's broken bungee, no?
I'm not asking that my case be reopened for investigation, so
don't go turning me in!!! I just feel bad about Pieti.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: accident/incident investigations |
Maybe the difference is in the audience? When people have a big audience (10,000
EAA attendees) vs a small audience (a few cows and maybe one farmer?)....people
sometimes change personalities, honesty, virtue, morals, integrity, etc...it's
sad but we're all human after all.
And I agree, I really feel bad about this whole thing....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Aug 9, 2009 10:28 AM
>To: Pietenpol List
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: accident/incident investigations
>
>
>Mikee- it's interesting that you mention the cases that you
>have seen, and the hassles that Pieti (Lowell Frank) is going
>through. I thought for sure I was going to have to endure
>the same sort of grilling when 41CC went over on its nose. I
>researched the definition of "accident" and "incident" and I
>thought for sure that the situation with 41CC was an "accident"
>and that both Charlie (pilot) and I (owner) were in for some
>hell from the NTSB and FAA. Not so. Apparently the
>investigators didn't even care to come look at the airplane
>even though we didn't touch it after retrieving it from the
>field and moving it to the hangar. We sent pictures and
>someone from a local law enforcement agency came by to look at
>it, but the big boys didn't deem it serious enough to slap
>either me or Charlie. Strange to think that Lowell's incident
>was serious enough in their eyes to cause all this ruckus, yet
>the situation with 41CC was not.
>
>Carb ice stopped the engine, an off-field landing was made in
>a rough field, welds broke on the landing gear legs, collapsing
>the gear and putting the airplane on its nose and then over on
>its back. I dunno... sounds a little bit more like an "accident"
>than Lowell's broken bungee, no?
>
>I'm not asking that my case be reopened for investigation, so
>don't go turning me in!!! I just feel bad about Pieti.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A65 to A75 swap |
>From personal experience, flying without a cowling is a drag, and then some.
That was what helped me wreck my left gear and prop last year. Be real
careful flying without a cowling. Oscar is right about the barn door and
vertical landing--Jim Lagowski
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 8:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A65 to A75 swap
>
>
> A little update on my engine swap. Last weekend I got the
> engine started and everything came up normally but the engine
> developed an oil leak about the time I was ready to shut it
> down anyway. Also had a very slow drip from the Curtis valve
> on the gascolator and the prop was one bolt out of "clock" and
> a bit out of track.
>
> Today I took care of all those squawks. Re-clocked and shimmed
> the prop to bring it into track, replaced the Curtis drain valve
> on the gascolator (DO NOT try to just replace the O-ring on the
> nose of the valve... if it leaks, replace it). The oil leak
> turned out to be at one of the oil gallery plugs at the front
> of the engine and I think I'm eventually going to have to heli-
> coil it because the threads on that side aren't great. Engine
> started up just fine, runup was normal, and off we went to seat
> the rings. Here are a couple of lessons learned.
>
> Performance figures will
> not mean anything right now because the engine is very tight
> and I flew the airplane with the cowling off, in order to have
> everything where I could see it readily. If Dick Navratil can
> fly his Rotec radial powered piet with no cowling, so can I!
> And I also figured flying it without the cowling would provide
> more drag and thus more load on the engine to help with seating
> the rings.
>
> 1. In a slip (or even in straight flight), a bare Piet firewall
> into the wind is more effective than flaps, a belly board, and
> Precise Flight wing spoilers. In other words, it has the coefficient
> of drag of a broadside barn door. My first approach to landing
> was nearly vertical.
>
> 2. With power on, this engine/prop combo goes into the redline
> VERY quickly when the nose goes down and revs build very readily.
> Same for the airplane... nose down equals Vne very quickly unless
> power is pulled off right now. It didn't do that with the 65.
>
> 3. (A) It gets VERY bumpy on an August afternoon. (B) The vertical
> travel of the fuel needle on a Stromberg NAS3 carb is only about
> 1/16" from full open to full shut. (C) When a Piet with a
> Stromberg hits a big summer bump on downwind, the rapid vertical
> change can bounce the float in the carb, making the engine
> hiccup momentarily. (D) When cautiously breaking in a new engine
> and it hiccups, it can make a Piet pilot's heart stop. I now
> know this ;o)
>
> The engine is running strong and smooth, starts easily (but is
> still very stiff), and promises to provide the airplane with a
> real kick in the pants. The proof will come soon, as I put the
> cowling back on and get more relaxed in the airplane where I
> can put it through its paces.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC, A75 and Culver prop
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
18:17:00
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | accident/incident investigations |
While at Brodhead, in a conversation with another tire-kicker like me, an
individual was telling me about his aviation background. He as taking an FAA
course, as I recall, and the subject matter was not popular with all the
students. Their motto was, "Comply and graduate." That may apply here, too.
"Gee, Newt...do you think if I study real hard I'll pass the test?"
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: accident/incident investigations
Maybe the difference is in the audience? When people have a big audience
(10,000 EAA attendees) vs a small audience (a few cows and maybe one
farmer?)....people sometimes change personalities, honesty, virtue, morals,
integrity, etc...it's sad but we're all human after all.
And I agree, I really feel bad about this whole thing....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Aug 9, 2009 10:28 AM
>To: Pietenpol List
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: accident/incident investigations
>
>
>Mikee- it's interesting that you mention the cases that you
>have seen, and the hassles that Pieti (Lowell Frank) is going
>through. I thought for sure I was going to have to endure
>the same sort of grilling when 41CC went over on its nose. I
>researched the definition of "accident" and "incident" and I
>thought for sure that the situation with 41CC was an "accident"
>and that both Charlie (pilot) and I (owner) were in for some
>hell from the NTSB and FAA. Not so. Apparently the
>investigators didn't even care to come look at the airplane
>even though we didn't touch it after retrieving it from the
>field and moving it to the hangar. We sent pictures and
>someone from a local law enforcement agency came by to look at
>it, but the big boys didn't deem it serious enough to slap
>either me or Charlie. Strange to think that Lowell's incident
>was serious enough in their eyes to cause all this ruckus, yet
>the situation with 41CC was not.
>
>Carb ice stopped the engine, an off-field landing was made in
>a rough field, welds broke on the landing gear legs, collapsing
>the gear and putting the airplane on its nose and then over on
>its back. I dunno... sounds a little bit more like an "accident"
>than Lowell's broken bungee, no?
>
>I'm not asking that my case be reopened for investigation, so
>don't go turning me in!!! I just feel bad about Pieti.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
Oscar as a good idea with the foam and glass. The cutout may be reinforced like
the rest of the plane, as well; for instance, with 1' thick ply or spruce for
some of the infill, with ply gussets inboard of that, and of course the outside
ply skin. It's plenty strong. As in the rest of the plane, the key is triangulation
with diagonals and bonding with gussets.
Tim in central TX
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Enduring attributes of the Pietenpol design |
John,
We've had people your size and larger in our front pit, so I'm not
sure why you haven't been able to get a ride. In fact, our cockpits
have an annoying amount of sheet aluminum cowling around them. I
guess the builder was going for a look, or maybe he thought a tightly
cowled pit would be warmer in the winter. It makes it that much more
difficult to get in. In any event, we've had 6'2" 230 lb people in
the front, so if I ever make it up your way, I'll give you a ride.
Jeff
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: side door cut out for front seat |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
I must agree with you there!
And besides, door or no door, I will still get to fly! :o) So, it really
depends on how badly the passenger wants to go with me!! :oD
Mark
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Tim Willis wrote:
> timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
>
> Mark,
> You can make the cutout strong enough. My point is that it is likely never
> as strong as before the top longeron was cut, and it certainly weighs more.
> Tim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Roberts
> Sent: Aug 8, 2009 3:34 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> I know there is a set of plans (from Yesterday's Wings Aeroplane Works)
> published that I saw from Mike Groah for a door in the passenger side. I was
> under the belief it was engineered to be strong enough for the plane.
>
> Mark
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
"You can beat him Waldo, with my monoplane"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Enduring attributes of the Pietenpol design |
Hey, now! None o' that. I met John. He SEEMED right enough...
Allowances must be made for cheese intake and resultant output, but I
figger that's all just part of the charm of the natives...
>
>Jeff, If you've ever met John you'll realize that his size is just an excuse
>for not giving him a ride. There are other reasons...
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Enduring attributes of the Pietenpol design |
He's an inferior model but he'll suit our purposes!
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Aug 9, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote:
> >
>
> Hey, now! None o' that. I met John. He SEEMED right enough...
> Allowances must be made for cheese intake and resultant output, but
> I figger that's all just part of the charm of the natives...
>
>> >
>>
>> Jeff, If you've ever met John you'll realize that his size is just
>> an excuse
>> for not giving him a ride. There are other reasons...
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>> NX899JP
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
To All Pilots, F%&# the FAA.- They are usually just a bunch of gestapo se
lf rightoius power hungry wenies who don't even know what an airplane is.
- A fellow Piet builder who I won't mention his name, said that the faa i
s nothing but a rotation of a__ holes, and he spent 20+ years working for t
hem.- I think the job requirements for being in the faa is heartbeat, no
soul, and you must not know anything practical about anything aviation rela
ted (besides the letter of the law).- I think the same goes for the aircr
aft-maintenance side of the FAA, worthless!- Most faa maintenance inspe
ctors today are there because the sucked as mechanics.- This, of course i
s my own generalized oppinion, formed from 15+ years in aviation, both as a
pilot, and a mechanic.- I know at one time many many years ago (while th
e earth was still cooling) the faa guys were the experianced, and sharpest
guys in the field (maybe?).- But that ain't the case anymore sonny.
-
Sincerly, You know who
-
P.S.- any FAA guys reading this, go study airplanes, and real world flyin
g skill, instead of therory, law and textbook answers to real world experia
nce problems.=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Piettie, in response to the faa's letter |
Mr Piettie Lowell, See if you can get one of those spring loaded boxing glo
ves into an envelope (like in the old cartoons), and send it back to the FA
A inspector.- With it send a letter- in response to his flight review l
etter, and ask him what the hell he wants you to teach him during this flig
ht review.- And then make sure it is in you Ford powered Pietenpol, and t
hen see what in the hell he has to say!- I am just a pup myself at 31 yrs
old, but it burns me to see the govt. run things so bass akwords as they d
o.- You know a lifetime more than the desk pilot who would review your sk
ills.
-
Give, Em Hell,
Shad=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
Next time.don't hold back.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 5:09 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday
To All Pilots, F%&# the FAA. They are usually just a bunch of gestapo self
rightoius power hungry wenies who don't even know what an airplane is. A
fellow Piet builder who I won't mention his name, said that the faa is
nothing but a rotation of a__ holes, and he spent 20+ years working for
them. I think the job requirements for being in the faa is heartbeat, no
soul, and you must not know anything practical about anything aviation
related (besides the letter of the law). I think the same goes for the
aircraft maintenance side of the FAA, worthless! Most faa maintenance
inspectors today are there because the sucked as mechanics. This, of course
is my own generalized oppinion, formed from 15+ years in aviation, both as a
pilot, and a mechanic. I know at one time many many years ago (while the
earth was still cooling) the faa guys were the experianced, and sharpest
guys in the field (maybe?). But that ain't the case anymore sonny.
Sincerly, You know who
P.S. any FAA guys reading this, go study airplanes, and real world flying
skill, instead of therory, law and textbook answers to real world experiance
problems.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
Aw, come on guys, the FAA and the IRS are here to help ya.
Gene in Very hot Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 7:15 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday
Next time.don't hold back.
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-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad
bell
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 5:09 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday
To All Pilots, F%&# the FAA. They are usually just a bunch of
gestapo self rightoius power hungry wenies who don't even know what an
airplane is. A fellow Piet builder who I won't mention his name, said
that the faa is nothing but a rotation of a__ holes, and he spent 20+
years working for them. I think the job requirements for being in the
faa is heartbeat, no soul, and you must not know anything practical
about anything aviation related (besides the letter of the law). I
think the same goes for the aircraft maintenance side of the FAA,
worthless! Most faa maintenance inspectors today are there because the
sucked as mechanics. This, of course is my own generalized oppinion,
formed from 15+ years in aviation, both as a pilot, and a mechanic. I
know at one time many many years ago (while the earth was still cooling)
the faa guys were the experianced, and sharpest guys in the field
(maybe?). But that ain't the case anymore sonny.
Sincerly, You know who
P.S. any FAA guys reading this, go study airplanes, and real
world flying skill, instead of therory, law and textbook answers to real
world experiance problems.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
08/09/09 18:10:00
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
Aw, Shad, don't sugar-coat it. Tell us how you really feel.
Back in the old days around here in Northern California our local FAA
guy used to build more airplanes than the local EAA folks. Boy, do we
ever miss him. And what's up with having to hire an engineer and send
reams of paperwork to Kansas to get a "field approval" to make an old
airplane safer.
"We're from the FAA and we're here to help." Chilling words.
On a cheerier note, our local tower guys were our guest speakers at our
last EAA meeting. One of them is actually building his own light sport
A/C, so there may be a glimmer of hope.
All the best to the Pietenpol crowd from Sonoma, CA!
Darrel
shad bell wrote:
> To All Pilots, F%&# the FAA. They are usually just a bunch of gestapo
> self rightoius power hungry wenies who don't even know what an
> airplane is. A fellow Piet builder who I won't mention his name, said
> that the faa is nothing but a rotation of a__ holes, and he spent 20+
> years working for them. I think the job requirements for being in the
> faa is heartbeat, no soul, and you must not know anything practical
> about anything aviation related (besides the letter of the law). I
> think the same goes for the aircraft maintenance side of the FAA,
> worthless! Most faa maintenance inspectors today are there because
> the sucked as mechanics. This, of course is my own generalized
> oppinion, formed from 15+ years in aviation, both as a pilot, and a
> mechanic. I know at one time many many years ago (while the earth was
> still cooling) the faa guys were the experianced, and sharpest guys in
> the field (maybe?). But that ain't the case anymore sonny.
>
> Sincerly, You know who
>
> P.S. any FAA guys reading this, go study airplanes, and real world
> flying skill, instead of therory, law and textbook answers to real
> world experiance problems.
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Sorry to hear about the FAA fiasco Lowell, its enough to make a pilot look
seriously into going part 103 for a next aircraft build project. I have been
thinking seriously about a Legal Eagle XL for my next project.
Good luck
Rick
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 1:27 AM, Jared Yates wrote:
>
> Lowell, I've been through what you are going through, and I must say that
> it
> is can be an unpleasant experience. You aren't by chance enrolled in the
> AOPA legal services plan, are you? I found first-hand that FAA inspectors
> can try to overstep their power and duties quite regularly. Having someone
> to ask "can they ask me that" made it much easier for me.
>
> It is a privilege that they have to re-evaluate any airman, at the airman's
> expense. It stinks, but you'll have to take it seriously! If they don't
> give you a satisfactory result to the checkride, you won't be able to fly
> anymore. Respond before the deadline, and keep in mind that you don't have
> to take the checkride within 10 days, you just have to respond. In my
> case,
> it was actually a month or two after the accident before the re-evaluation
> ride.
>
> Also note that you aren't obliged to answer questions about the past. The
> FAA inspectors know that they don't have the privilege of interrogating you
> to try and get evidence for a violation. In my case they were trying to
> use
> the reevaluation ride as a chance to do just that. I spent a couple of
> hours dodging questions about the accident flight and requesting that the
> inspector stick to general questions about my qualifications to hold my
> certificate. It was a diplomatic tightrope to say the least. I hope that
> you end up with a good FSDO and inspector, and that your experience was
> better than mine. Let them know that you are going to have trouble finding
> a tailwheel airplane to rent, and that should buy you some time. You might
> also consider hiring a specialized aviation lawyer if you are not in the
> legal services plan, depending on how important it is to you that you
> continue to hold your certificate. You can also find the inspector's
> handbook online and read about what the boundries are for the checkride, as
> far as what they should and shouldn't be asking you about.
>
> >From this point on, take notes about who you talk to at the FAA/NTSB,
> including the date and time, and a brief summary of the discussion. In my
> case my file fell between the cracks on their end, and they tried to accuse
> me of avoiding the checkride, when they had actually not been returning my
> phone calls. This is the kind of thing you might be up against! The folks
> at both the NTSB and the FAA are not your friend. As for the rest of you,
> think seriously about that legal services plan! As some have said, this
> type of thing can happen to any of us.
>
> Hang in there! You can do this, but be smart about it.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pieti
> Lowell
> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 10:02 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday
>
>
>
> You fellows ,I don't think you know the half of it, I got a registered
> letter late Friday , dated Thursday, saying that I have 10 days from the
> letter's date to respond to FAA regarding practically redoing my complete
> Private License Tests learning over, from getting a tail dragger to be
> retested , check ride , Area operations III,, IV etc, Where does one begin
> ?
> so far dozens of phone calls just to find an Instructor with a conventional
> gear plane, and when asked if it would be OK to take my check-ride in a
> Pietenpol HA only certified craft with ALL paper work on the plane
> complete. and it goes on and on. Still no airplanes yet available and I
> don't blame anyone to get involved , what a hassle and with over 2000 tail
> dragger hours.
> Pieti Lowell
>
> Wednesday during the Homebuilt Review Showcase (where they shafted one of
> our three Pietenpol guys--Jack Phillips by cutting one of the Piets out of
> the event) the Rotec powered Junior Ace from Poplar Grove nearly lost it in
> similar wind conditions when landing. Three times he nearly had his wing
> tips in the turf--scary stuff but he managed to add power, continue down
> the
> runway and get a second chance.
>
> I was astonished at the ineptitude of the EAA/FAA/and law enforcement
> people
> who kept Lowell and his plane out on the runway for well over an hour.
> First off---Lowell's well being, once that was established to not be an
> issue they should have cleared off and talked with him elsewhere if they
> needed to. I should know better--if the gov't is involved they will take
> the least practical path to a conclusion.
>
> Mike C.[/quote]
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256592#256592
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Hello I'm new here. I'm looking for a little help. |
| From: | "motorbikemikexb9" <motorbikemikexb9(at)comcast.net> |
Hello everyone. I'm Mike from Palatine IL. I'm taking the plunge. I've been a
fan of the Air Camper for several years now. I Love their classic look and feel,
as well as the "top wing / open cockpit" design. I'm planning to get started
building a Air Camper for myself very soon. I was up at Oshkosh last week
and seeing them up close finally nudged me over the edge into deciding to build
one. I have a pretty solid background in metal fabrication and wood working.
I have also scratch built and flown dozens of giant scale R/C's over the
past 10 years. I do know alot about airplanes but feel I still have alot to learn.
I'm mostly concerned about airframe strength, Proper covering technique
and figuring out what is needed to get a airframe / engine built safe and certified.
This will be my first full scale build. All of my R/C's have been very
safe good flying machines but I have never had to go through any certification
process to fly them. I'm currently working on my private pilots license as
well.
To sum things up I'm looking for any information, pointers, or any good places
to find information that will help me with my build.
Some admediate concerns are:
what plans to use?, what do you guys think is a better route to go: Wood or steel
tube Fuse? What engines can be used? Are certain grades of fasteners or hardware
recomended or required for this type of build. where is a good place
to find books / DVD's covering full scale aircraft Building / covering / certification?
Are their any local Air Camper builders near the Chicago/ Milwaukee
area?
Thanks In advance for any help. I plan to be a regular here on the forum and hopefully
meet many of you in person "as or after" my plane comes together.
Thanks, Mike
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256853#256853
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
I'll tell you another good one. Last year I got to fly the EA-6B
Prowler simulator at Whidbey Naval Air Station. As I sat in the left
seat of the sim with the throttles in my left hand and stick in my
right, he voice in the headphones was the simulator operator, up
in a darkened room somewhere. My buddy Maj. Kyle "Itchy" Rash was
the right seater and my instructor. Incidentally, Itchy is up for
promotion to LtCol next month, so the beer will soon be flowing.
On my second or third attempt at landing the "Prowler" on the deck
of a carrier at sea, the voice in the headphones asked, "flying left
seat, what do you normally fly?" to which I responded, "ahhh, you
probably don't know the airplane but it's an experimental
single-engine, two-place high winger called a Pietenpol Air Camper".
Silence, followed by, "I've always wanted to build one but I'm six
foot four and don't think I'd fit. It's a great little airplane.
Fly your final to the carrier deck just like you'd fly a short and
soft field in the Piet. Give it a try."
I nailed the next landing.
There are some good folks out there on the other end of the radio,
and I'll bet there are still some good folks in the FAA and NTSB
too. We just need to get them into a Piet and when we're done
flying, sit them in a chair outside the hangar some evening, project
"The Great Waldo Pepper" on the side of the hangar wall, and
hand them a beer.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Hello I'm new here. I'm looking for a little help. |
Welcome to the best place for the best information on your intended build.
There are DVDs available from fellow builders. Mike Cuy has a really good
one along with other Piet builders. The books by Tony Bengellis are a must
for the builders library. The plans are available through the pietenpol
family so they are easily gotten and would recommend you join the BPA for the
news letter. You just missed the Brodhead gathering where you can see the
piets up close talk to the builders and get some really great advice while
stealing ideas. Who knows with the number of piets in Illinois you can visit
some in progress of building and get a chance to ride in some already
built.
The folks you'll meet on this board and in person in Brodhead are some of
the best folks you'll ever meet most are friendly and ready to lend advice.
Building a Piet is rewarding on to itself and the journey is spectacular
plus you'll end up with a great airplane and a bunch of new friends.
I think you made 2 wise choices on in building the Piet and the second was
to come here.
Enjoy the adventure
John
message dated 8/9/2009 9:49:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
motorbikemikexb9(at)comcast.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "motorbikemikexb9"
Hello everyone. I'm Mike from Palatine IL. I'm taking the plunge. I've
been a fan of the Air Camper for several years now. I Love their classic
look and feel, as well as the "top wing / open cockpit" design. I'm planning
to get started building a Air Camper for myself very soon. I was up at
Oshkosh last week and seeing them up close finally nudged me over the edge
into deciding to build one. I have a pretty solid background in metal
fabrication and wood working. I have also scratch built and flown dozens of
giant scale R/C's over the past 10 years. I do know alot about airplanes but
feel I still have alot to learn. I'm mostly concerned about airframe
strength, Proper covering technique and figuring out what is needed to get a
airframe / engine built safe and certified. This will be my first full scale
build. All of my R/C's have been very safe good flying machines but I have
never had to go through any certification process to fly them. I'm
currently working on m!
y private pilots license as well.
To sum things up I'm looking for any information, pointers, or any good
places to find information that will help me with my build.
Some admediate concerns are:
what plans to use?, what do you guys think is a better route to go: Wood
or steel tube Fuse? What engines can be used? Are certain grades of
fasteners or hardware recomended or required for this type of build. where is
a
good place to find books / DVD's covering full scale aircraft Building /
covering / certification? Are their any local Air Camper builders near the
Chicago/ Milwaukee area?
Thanks In advance for any help. I plan to be a regular here on the forum
and hopefully meet many of you in person "as or after" my plane comes
together.
Thanks, Mike
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256853#256853
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hello I'm new here. I'm looking for a little help. |
Mike,
Step one is to read all the books by Tony Bingelis. They are
available everywhere, but the easiest place to get them is either
Aircraft Spruce or Wicks. I'd post a link, but I'm typing on my
phone...
Next step is to get a complete set of plans from the Pietenpol
family. Also, the EAA sells the old Flying and Glider Manuals with
the original build article and "plans".
With regards to hardware store nuts and bolts, I think Mike Cuy said
it best, "you can use whatever hardware store parts you want, but you
won't be taking any oc my family flying". (or something like that)...
Point is, use aircraft grade hardware abc materials. It's not worth
the cost savings.
And the last piece of advice I'll give is this: memorize every line
from The Great Waldo Pepper. You'll need the knowledge to decipher
what's actually being said on this list.
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Not building yet. Still dreaming and planning!
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete.
On Aug 9, 2009, at 9:47 PM, "motorbikemikexb9" wrote:
> >
>
> Hello everyone. I'm Mike from Palatine IL. I'm taking the plunge.
> I've been a fan of the Air Camper for several years now. I Love
> their classic look and feel, as well as the "top wing / open
> cockpit" design. I'm planning to get started building a Air Camper
> for myself very soon. I was up at Oshkosh last week and seeing them
> up close finally nudged me over the edge into deciding to build
> one. I have a pretty solid background in metal fabrication and wood
> working. I have also scratch built and flown dozens of giant scale
> R/C's over the past 10 years. I do know alot about airplanes but
> feel I still have alot to learn. I'm mostly concerned about
> airframe strength, Proper covering technique and figuring out what
> is needed to get a airframe / engine built safe and certified. This
> will be my first full scale build. All of my R/C's have been very
> safe good flying machines but I have never had to go through any
> certification process to fly them. I'm currently working on m!
> y private pilots license as well.
>
> To sum things up I'm looking for any information, pointers, or any
> good places to find information that will help me with my build.
>
> Some admediate concerns are:
> what plans to use?, what do you guys think is a better route to go:
> Wood or steel tube Fuse? What engines can be used? Are certain
> grades of fasteners or hardware recomended or required for this type
> of build. where is a good place to find books / DVD's covering full
> scale aircraft Building / covering / certification? Are their any
> local Air Camper builders near the Chicago/ Milwaukee area?
>
> Thanks In advance for any help. I plan to be a regular here on the
> forum and hopefully meet many of you in person "as or after" my
> plane comes together.
>
> Thanks, Mike
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256853#256853
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "mike" <bike.mike(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Hello I'm new here. I'm looking for a little help. |
Hi Mike,
I'm your confusing email address doppelganger, bike.mike. One of my bikes is
a motorbike (BMW R100R) but the rest are human powered.
Most of the guys on the list are fair-minded, reasonable people. However,
there are a few of the "type A" sort who believe that a genuine "Pietenpol"
Aircamper is made of wood, is powered by a Model A engine, and is built from
a set of plans approved by Bernard H. Pietenpol (never say "Bernie"), signed
by draftsman Orrin Hoopman, and sold by the Pietenpol family.
Most of this crowd is extremely helpful, freely giving of their combined
centuries of experience building and flying this magnificent flying machine.
In the heartland of America you have access to many brilliant examples of
Piets built by every sort of craftsman; visit them and you will acquire a
list of lifelong friends.
As to your specific questions, there will be many answers from the various
camps regarding the merits of wood over steel, Model A over Corvair over
Continental over Rotec, and even the merits of Home Depot over Wicks over
Aircraft Spruce and Specialty. Be prepared to do some of your own research.
Welcome to the coolest list-serve in the world.
Mike Hardaway
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
motorbikemikexb9
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 6:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hello I'm new here. I'm looking for a little help.
-->
Hello everyone. I'm Mike from Palatine IL. I'm taking the plunge. I've
been a fan of the Air Camper for several years now. I Love their classic
look and feel, as well as the "top wing / open cockpit" design. I'm
planning to get started building a Air Camper for myself very soon. I was
up at Oshkosh last week and seeing them up close finally nudged me over the
edge into deciding to build one. I have a pretty solid background in metal
fabrication and wood working. I have also scratch built and flown dozens of
giant scale R/C's over the past 10 years. I do know alot about airplanes
but feel I still have alot to learn. I'm mostly concerned about airframe
strength, Proper covering technique and figuring out what is needed to get a
airframe / engine built safe and certified. This will be my first full
scale build. All of my R/C's have been very safe good flying machines but I
have never had to go through any certification process to fly them. I'm
currently working on m!
y private pilots license as well.
To sum things up I'm looking for any information, pointers, or any good
places to find information that will help me with my build.
Some admediate concerns are:
what plans to use?, what do you guys think is a better route to go: Wood or
steel tube Fuse? What engines can be used? Are certain grades of fasteners
or hardware recomended or required for this type of build. where is a good
place to find books / DVD's covering full scale aircraft Building / covering
/ certification? Are their any local Air Camper builders near the Chicago/
Milwaukee area?
Thanks In advance for any help. I plan to be a regular here on the forum
and hopefully meet many of you in person "as or after" my plane comes
together.
Thanks, Mike
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256853#256853
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "GR Hewitt" <grhewitt(at)globaldial.com> |
Intend to use a cork float on a wire thru the fuel cap as a fuel
quantity gage
Will this double as a fuel vent without any probs?
Thanks Graham Hewitt in Oz
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Hello I'm new here. I'm looking for a little help. |
| From: | amsafetyc(at)aol.com |
Let's get this straight she's just driving, you're just flying. I'm the one doing
a great stunt.
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:28:04
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hello I'm new here. I'm looking for a little help.
Mike,
Step one is to read all the books by Tony Bingelis. They are
available everywhere, but the easiest place to get them is either
Aircraft Spruce or Wicks. I'd post a link, but I'm typing on my
phone...
Next step is to get a complete set of plans from the Pietenpol
family. Also, the EAA sells the old Flying and Glider Manuals with
the original build article and "plans".
With regards to hardware store nuts and bolts, I think Mike Cuy said
it best, "you can use whatever hardware store parts you want, but you
won't be taking any oc my family flying". (or something like that)...
Point is, use aircraft grade hardware abc materials. It's not worth
the cost savings.
And the last piece of advice I'll give is this: memorize every line
from The Great Waldo Pepper. You'll need the knowledge to decipher
what's actually being said on this list.
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Not building yet. Still dreaming and planning!
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete.
On Aug 9, 2009, at 9:47 PM, "motorbikemikexb9" wrote:
> >
>
> Hello everyone. I'm Mike from Palatine IL. I'm taking the plunge.
> I've been a fan of the Air Camper for several years now. I Love
> their classic look and feel, as well as the "top wing / open
> cockpit" design. I'm planning to get started building a Air Camper
> for myself very soon. I was up at Oshkosh last week and seeing them
> up close finally nudged me over the edge into deciding to build
> one. I have a pretty solid background in metal fabrication and wood
> working. I have also scratch built and flown dozens of giant scale
> R/C's over the past 10 years. I do know alot about airplanes but
> feel I still have alot to learn. I'm mostly concerned about
> airframe strength, Proper covering technique and figuring out what
> is needed to get a airframe / engine built safe and certified. This
> will be my first full scale build. All of my R/C's have been very
> safe good flying machines but I have never had to go through any
> certification process to fly them. I'm currently working on m!
> y private pilots license as well.
>
> To sum things up I'm looking for any information, pointers, or any
> good places to find information that will help me with my build.
>
> Some admediate concerns are:
> what plans to use?, what do you guys think is a better route to go:
> Wood or steel tube Fuse? What engines can be used? Are certain
> grades of fasteners or hardware recomended or required for this type
> of build. where is a good place to find books / DVD's covering full
> scale aircraft Building / covering / certification? Are their any
> local Air Camper builders near the Chicago/ Milwaukee area?
>
> Thanks In advance for any help. I plan to be a regular here on the
> forum and hopefully meet many of you in person "as or after" my
> plane comes together.
>
> Thanks, Mike
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256853#256853
>
>
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| From: | "mike" <bike.mike(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
Frankly, most of the FAA employees I have met are themselves pilots and/or
mechanics, most with considerably more than 15 years of experience, who love
airplanes and aviation the business of keeping it all safe. Several are
airplane builders. But then I have only received the business end of one
"inquiry" (inquisition really, but I learned a lot about density altitude).
Any large collection of people is going to have a few fools and the FAA is
not exempt. Shad, I'm sorry that your experiences have only brought those
exceptions to the surface.
Mike
(one of many)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 5:09 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday
To All Pilots, F%&# the FAA. They are usually just a bunch of gestapo self
rightoius power hungry wenies who don't even know what an airplane is. A
fellow Piet builder who I won't mention his name, said that the faa is
nothing but a rotation of a__ holes, and he spent 20+ years working for
them. I think the job requirements for being in the faa is heartbeat, no
soul, and you must not know anything practical about anything aviation
related (besides the letter of the law). I think the same goes for the
aircraft maintenance side of the FAA, worthless! Most faa maintenance
inspectors today are there because the sucked as mechanics. This, of course
is my own generalized oppinion, formed from 15+ years in aviation, both as a
pilot, and a mechanic. I know at one time many many years ago (while the
earth was still cooling) the faa guys were the experianced, and sharpest
guys in the field (maybe?). But that ain't the case anymore sonny.
Sincerly, You know who
P.S. any FAA guys reading this, go study airplanes, and real world flying
skill, instead of therory, law and textbook answers to real world experiance
problems.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Hello I'm new here. I'm looking for a little help. |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Welcome Mike!
As a newbie myself here I am just chipping in to say that I ave asked a rash
of questions and never been chewed out once, even though some (many?) were
repeats from previous posts. There is an achive that can be searched to get
a few answers from, and that was where I was directed a couple of times for
more in-depth answers that had been chewed on a while before I came on
board.
I too am an R/C builder for 40 years, and alas, have finally graduated to
the real deal. In fact (horror of horrors), tomorrow a friend of mine is
coming over to clean out the entire lot of my R/C stuff. I'll have a very
bare garage, as just about every corner of the place is stuffed with R/C
materials of one sort or another.
However, I am too big to fit into any of those, and I need the room and the
money for Piet building!
Oh well, if I had seen the Great Waldo Pepper movie (sorry) I'd know a line
that would address that problem :o)
I guess I need to get over to BlockBusters this week (now that I know where
all those lines have come from!)
Welcome to a great bunch of guys from all over the place!
Mark
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:40 PM, wrote:
>
> Let's get this straight she's just driving, you're just flying. I'm the one
> doing a great stunt.
>
>
> John
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
>
> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:28:04
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hello I'm new here. I'm looking for a little
> help.
>
>
> wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
>
> Mike,
>
> Step one is to read all the books by Tony Bingelis. They are
> available everywhere, but the easiest place to get them is either
> Aircraft Spruce or Wicks. I'd post a link, but I'm typing on my
> phone...
>
> Next step is to get a complete set of plans from the Pietenpol
> family. Also, the EAA sells the old Flying and Glider Manuals with
> the original build article and "plans".
>
> With regards to hardware store nuts and bolts, I think Mike Cuy said
> it best, "you can use whatever hardware store parts you want, but you
> won't be taking any oc my family flying". (or something like that)...
> Point is, use aircraft grade hardware abc materials. It's not worth
> the cost savings.
>
> And the last piece of advice I'll give is this: memorize every line
> from The Great Waldo Pepper. You'll need the knowledge to decipher
> what's actually being said on this list.
>
> Wayne Bressler Jr.
>
> Not building yet. Still dreaming and planning!
>
> Taildraggers, Inc.
> taildraggersinc.com
>
> Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete.
>
> On Aug 9, 2009, at 9:47 PM, "motorbikemikexb9" <
> motorbikemikexb9(at)comcast.net
> > wrote:
>
> motorbikemikexb9(at)comcast.net
> > >
> >
> > Hello everyone. I'm Mike from Palatine IL. I'm taking the plunge.
> > I've been a fan of the Air Camper for several years now. I Love
> > their classic look and feel, as well as the "top wing / open
> > cockpit" design. I'm planning to get started building a Air Camper
> > for myself very soon. I was up at Oshkosh last week and seeing them
> > up close finally nudged me over the edge into deciding to build
> > one. I have a pretty solid background in metal fabrication and wood
> > working. I have also scratch built and flown dozens of giant scale
> > R/C's over the past 10 years. I do know alot about airplanes but
> > feel I still have alot to learn. I'm mostly concerned about
> > airframe strength, Proper covering technique and figuring out what
> > is needed to get a airframe / engine built safe and certified. This
> > will be my first full scale build. All of my R/C's have been very
> > safe good flying machines but I have never had to go through any
> > certification process to fly them. I'm currently working on m!
> > y private pilots license as well.
> >
> > To sum things up I'm looking for any information, pointers, or any
> > good places to find information that will help me with my build.
> >
> > Some admediate concerns are:
> > what plans to use?, what do you guys think is a better route to go:
> > Wood or steel tube Fuse? What engines can be used? Are certain
> > grades of fasteners or hardware recomended or required for this type
> > of build. where is a good place to find books / DVD's covering full
> > scale aircraft Building / covering / certification? Are their any
> > local Air Camper builders near the Chicago/ Milwaukee area?
> >
> > Thanks In advance for any help. I plan to be a regular here on the
> > forum and hopefully meet many of you in person "as or after" my
> > plane comes together.
> >
> > Thanks, Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256853#256853
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Oscar:
I'm 6'4" 250lbs... I hope I can fit! (I'm working on the diet... So far it's
been the 'High Weight Gain Diet' promoted by Michael Moore... but who
listens to him!?)
Mark
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> I'll tell you another good one. Last year I got to fly the EA-6B
> Prowler simulator at Whidbey Naval Air Station. As I sat in the left
> seat of the sim with the throttles in my left hand and stick in my
> right, he voice in the headphones was the simulator operator, up
> in a darkened room somewhere. My buddy Maj. Kyle "Itchy" Rash was
> the right seater and my instructor. Incidentally, Itchy is up for
> promotion to LtCol next month, so the beer will soon be flowing.
>
> On my second or third attempt at landing the "Prowler" on the deck
> of a carrier at sea, the voice in the headphones asked, "flying left
> seat, what do you normally fly?" to which I responded, "ahhh, you
> probably don't know the airplane but it's an experimental
> single-engine, two-place high winger called a Pietenpol Air Camper".
>
> Silence, followed by, "I've always wanted to build one but I'm six
> foot four and don't think I'd fit. It's a great little airplane.
> Fly your final to the carrier deck just like you'd fly a short and
> soft field in the Piet. Give it a try."
>
> I nailed the next landing.
>
> There are some good folks out there on the other end of the radio,
> and I'll bet there are still some good folks in the FAA and NTSB
> too. We just need to get them into a Piet and when we're done
> flying, sit them in a chair outside the hangar some evening, project
> "The Great Waldo Pepper" on the side of the hangar wall, and
> hand them a beer.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Re Fuel vents |
That setup worked on our Piet for years. However, I don't think it's
a good idea. We now have another hole in the cap, fitted with an
aluminum tube bent 90 degrees, facing forward. Cheap redundancy.
>Intend to use a cork float on a wire thru the fuel cap as a fuel quantity gage
>
>Will this double as a fuel vent without any probs?
>Thanks Graham Hewitt in Oz
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
.been working on Taylorcrafts for over 60 years!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
Intend to use a cork float on a wire thru the fuel cap as a fuel quantity
gage
Will this double as a fuel vent without any probs?
Thanks Graham Hewitt in Oz
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
Might as well go for broke and use carbon fibre.
If you can't simplicate, add lightness. :-)
Clif
The ultimate futility is a job well done that served no purpose in the first
place.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Willis" <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:59 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: door cutout
>
>
>
> Oscar as a good idea with the foam and glass. The cutout may be
> reinforced like the rest of the plane, as well; for instance, with 1'
> thick ply or spruce for some of the infill, with ply gussets inboard of
> that, and of course the outside ply skin. It's plenty strong. As in the
> rest of the plane, the key is triangulation with diagonals and bonding
> with gussets.
>
> Tim in central TX
>
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
18:10:00
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: side door cut out for front seat |
A certain somebody I know, who built a model B
powered Piet, upon my questioning the difficulty
of someone getting into the front of his plane with
standard length struts, looked at me kind of sideways
with an impish little grin and said; " That's not my seat."
Clif
"It is precisely from the regret left by the imperfect work
that another can be born." (Odilon Redon)
I must agree with you there!
And besides, door or no door, I will still get to fly! :o) So, it
really depends on how badly the passenger wants to go with me!! :oD
Mark
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Hello I'm new here. I'm looking for a little help. |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
?" I really do love you Maudy".............
?"Except in flying weather"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
The ultimate futility is a job well done that served no purpose in the first place.
During the last 10 years of building, I have added, and then eliminated, a number
of these myself.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
?
?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Mike,
Welcome to the list. Every former RC builder that I know turned out to be a?superb
"real" airplane builder. Lon Deinst who lives on the same field I do, used
to be an RC guy. He is a prolific homebuilder, and a very good one at that. Anyone
who was at Oshkosh might have seen his replica (built only from two old
drawings and a few photos) of Art Chester's 1930 racer, the "Jeep" parked over
along the creek by the Theatre in the Woods. Unbelievable craftsmanship and built
to exact detail (better than the one that is in the museum that is just cobbled
together).
So you know more than you think you do. This is just a big model. And don't worry
about getting it "certified", they give you 40 hours to kill yourself before
they let you harm any passengers :O)
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Hello I'm new here. I'm looking for a little help. |
Mike,
You've already gotten some good advice (and a good dose of lines from The
Great Waldo Pepper). Buy the Bingelis books. Apart from being a wealth of
good information about all kinds of things you'll need to know to build an
airplane (just how much do you know about venting fuel systems, or bleeding
brakes? - Those are just a couple of topics he covers well), the books are
well written and are interesting reading.
As for the questions that invariably come up whenever a new builder gets
started, I'll try to list them and will give my opinion on them. You know
what they say about opinions - they are like rectums. Everybody's got one
and most are full of s--t.
What Plans to use? Buy the plans from Andrew Pietenpol (Bernard's
grandson). http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/ I would also recommend
buying the reprint of the 1932 Flying and Glider Manual that EAA publishes.
It has the original plans and a commentary from Pietenpol on building that
is enjoyable reading.
Wood or steel? - Your choice. Anecdotal evidence indicates the steel tube
fuselages are lighter. However, they require more planning because you have
to weld on fittings for any attachments, rather than just screwing something
onto the wood.
What engine? - just about everything has been used, from Model A Fords to
Szekely 3-cylinder radials to Continentals to Corvairs. Some work better
than others. Purists would say that you should use what Pietenpol used, but
that covers the gamut above. My personal choice is to use a small
Continental (I have an A65, but if I did it over I would probably use an
O-200). I live in North Carolina (soon to be moving to the Blue Ridge
Mountains of Virginia) and an engine failure in this part of the country is
not to be taken lightly. Therefore I want the most reliable engine I can
find and it is hard to beat the small Continentals for reliability. Many
Piet builders are using Corvairs now, because Pietenpol did it and they are
cheap and powerful. They also (in my opinion) are not terribly reliable.
Shad Bell knows more about Corvairs than anyone, based on personal FLYING
experience and he has had a number of serious failures with his. He also
lives in the midwest and I think that is key - every year when I fly mine to
Brodhead I breathe a sigh of relief when I cross over the Ohio River and
enter the midwest, where the biggest problem in a forced landing is choosing
which of a dozen acceptable landing fields is the BEST field. Prior to
crossing the Ohio, I think I counted 4 fields that I passed over in Virginia
and West Virginia where I could land the Pietenpol and be able to take off
again without damaging it. Since you live in the midwest, your engine
choice is a little more open.
What wood? You didn't ask this, but you will. Again, since this is my
email, you get my opinion. I like aircraft grade Sitka Spruce. It has the
best strength to weight ratio of any wood, is wonderful to work (doesn't
splinter like fir does) and while expensive, it also offers great piece of
mind since you don't have to worry if you found all the defects in wood you
selected at a lumber yard. Even though it is expensive, the cost of all the
wood in the airplane is a small fraction of the total cost of the project.
I basically spared no expense in building mine and the total cost of the
entire airplane was right at $15,000 which was spread over 8 years of
building (I like to tell people I spent the same amount building that
airplane that a 2-pack a day smoker would have spent on cigarettes in the
same timeframe). Of that amount, all the wood totaled about $1,000.
What Glue? Most people use T-88 (I did too in the cockpit area where it
shows). I like Resorcinol. Epoxies are fine, but even now the only glue
the FAA allows for use when repairing or rebuilding a certificated aircraft
is Resorcinol. I like working with it, even though it is more troublesome
than epoxy (joints have to fit perfectly because resorcinol will not fill a
gap like epoxy will).
Hardware? Again, I like certified aircraft parts. It costs a bit more, but
you know what you've got instead of hoping that the cheap Chinese steel in
those Home Depot bolts can stand the load holding your lift struts to your
wing. It also helps convince the DAR or FAA inspector that you know what
you're doing when they are inspecting your craft to give you the
Airworthiness Certificate. Aircraft Spruce & Specialty sells a kit with an
assortment of AN hardware that will cover most of your needs. BTW, order
their catalog (www.aircraftspruce.com) . They are a good source (if a bit
pricey) for nearly everything you will need, and their catalog has a lot of
good information in it. The catalog is free.
DVD's? Someone already mentioned Mike Cuy's excellent DVD. It is available
through Glenn Thomas' website www.flyingwood.com , under "Inspiration".
Also listed there is Chuck Gantzer's DVD on flying NX770CG, which is also
worth having. There are other DVD's being offered, but these are the only
two I know of from people who have actually finished and flown their Air
Campers.
Local Pietenpol Builders in the Milwaukee/Chicago area? I know of several,
but will let them come forth on their own. You are certainly close enough
to Brodhead that you should plan to attend there every year (it is always
the weekend before that other Wisconsin fly-in)
Join the EAA - While many of us feel the EAA lately has turned their back on
homebuilders, especially those of us who are not building from kits, they
still are a worthwhile organization to support. They offer a lot of books
and sources of information that you will need. Join a good local chapter if
you can.
Learn to fly before you finish your Pietenpol - I love flying my Pietenpol,
but it is not an ideal trainer for a number of reasons. I recommend you get
your license in something more conventional, then get your tailwheel
training in a Piper J-3 Cub before trying to fly your Pietenpol. If you can
find a place where you can do all your training in a Cub, even better. I
know Steve Krog at Hartford Wisconsin still trains in Cubs. I'm not sure
how far that is from Palatine IL. There may be Cubs for rent at Poplar
Grove (C77). That's pretty neat airport, with a lot of homebuilding and
Vintage Aircraft activity.
OK - I've aired my opinions. Let the flames begin!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
"Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC - Smith Mountain Lake, VA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
motorbikemikexb9
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 9:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hello I'm new here. I'm looking for a little help.
Hello everyone. I'm Mike from Palatine IL. I'm taking the plunge. I've
been a fan of the Air Camper for several years now. I Love their classic
look and feel, as well as the "top wing / open cockpit" design. I'm
planning to get started building a Air Camper for myself very soon. I was
up at Oshkosh last week and seeing them up close finally nudged me over the
edge into deciding to build one. I have a pretty solid background in metal
fabrication and wood working. I have also scratch built and flown dozens of
giant scale R/C's over the past 10 years. I do know alot about airplanes
but feel I still have alot to learn. I'm mostly concerned about airframe
strength, Proper covering technique and figuring out what is needed to get a
airframe / engine built safe and certified. This will be my first full
scale build. All of my R/C's have been very safe good flying machines but I
have never had to go through any certification process to fly them. I'm
currently working on m!
y private pilots license as well.
To sum things up I'm looking for any information, pointers, or any good
places to find information that will help me with my build.
Some admediate concerns are:
what plans to use?, what do you guys think is a better route to go: Wood or
steel tube Fuse? What engines can be used? Are certain grades of fasteners
or hardware recomended or required for this type of build. where is a good
place to find books / DVD's covering full scale aircraft Building / covering
/ certification? Are their any local Air Camper builders near the Chicago/
Milwaukee area?
Thanks In advance for any help. I plan to be a regular here on the forum
and hopefully meet many of you in person "as or after" my plane comes
together.
Thanks, Mike
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256853#256853
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Straight Axle Guys,
Upon the suggestion by PF Beck that a rubber pad under the axle would
eliminate a lot of wear and tear, I decided to incorporate one during the
set-up of my axle and brakes. My brake design is a copy-cat from Larry
Williams, with one very important difference - his is yellow, mine is black.
I even ran the anti-rotation rods thru the Hickory block! (Thanks, Larry)
Many years ago, a friend had a contract to install rubber padding in horse
stalls; the kind that would go on concrete, hold up to the heavy abuse of
hooves, and be ergonomic. He had a lot of leftover pieces, which he gave to
me and I use for floor padding in my shop.to go over the concrete, hold up
to heavy abuse, and be ergonomic..
In the attachment you can see that I have run the anti-rotation rod thru the
rubber, but have not yet come up with a good looking solution to fasten down
the ends. Nevertheless, I have lots of this stuff; enough for about 15 or 20
Piets! It's easy to cut on a band saw, and I would be happy to send out
strips to anyone who thinks this is useful. Maybe you could just cover the
price of postage.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
DISCLAIMER: THIS IS NOT FLIGHT TESTED, TAXI TESTED, OR STANDING STILL IN
THE HANGER FOR 6 MONTHS TESTED. HECK, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S A PROBLEM,
BUT IF PF RECOMMENDS IT.IT'S WORTH CONSIDERING!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | N8031 pictures across America |
Hi all,
Tres and his flying buddy took a bunch of pictures as they flew N8031
across the country from SBP to OSH. He posted them here:
http://picasaweb.google.com/TresClements/Pietenpol2009#
Looking at these, I do not miss living in the Sonoran Desert (Tucson).
Enjoy!
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | N8031 pictures across America |
Dan,
The whole thing just adds a very interesting chapter to that plane! I
followed its progress on the 'SPOT' web site (thanks for posting that),
until it was time to leave for Brodhead.
Happy flying!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 7:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: N8031 pictures across America
Hi all,
Tres and his flying buddy took a bunch of pictures as they flew N8031
across the country from SBP to OSH. He posted them here:
http://picasaweb.google.com/TresClements/Pietenpol2009#
Looking at these, I do not miss living in the Sonoran Desert (Tucson).
Enjoy!
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Hello I'm new here. I'm looking for a little help. |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Mike,
In addition to the Bingelis books, I would highly recommend Chet Peek's book
'The Pietenpol Story'; not so much for the technical information but because
it is a very well written history of the Bernard Pietenpol and his aircraft.
You can get it directly from Chet: http://www.threepeakspub.com/.
There is also a short film that documents the Pietenpol history, 'Finding
Flight'. It's very well done, and entertaining as well:
http://www.pietenpolmovie.com/
Jack mentioned Poplar Grove.....it's a great airport, and they have a Piper
Cub and a Cessna 140 available for rent/instruction. You can find more info
at: http://www.poplargroveairmotive.com/home.htm. Plus you can visit Dan
Helsper at PG, and he can show you the proper way to build a 'correct'
Pietenpol. ;)
My wife Jess and I are building a Corvair powered Pietenpol. We've got ribs
on spars, and a basic fuselage. We also have just about every part we need
to assemble our Corvair, from overhaul to conversion parts. Our Piet is now
based at it's new home at Olson Airport (LL53), which is a little airport
just southwest of Elgin, off of Rt 47. There is now also a flying Piet at
Olson, with the addition of Dan Yocum's new baby.
All for now, have a good day,
Ryan
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> Mike,
>
> You've already gotten some good advice (and a good dose of lines from The
> Great Waldo Pepper). Buy the Bingelis books. Apart from being a wealth of
> good information about all kinds of things you'll need to know to build an
> airplane (just how much do you know about venting fuel systems, or bleeding
> brakes? - Those are just a couple of topics he covers well), the books are
> well written and are interesting reading.
>
> As for the questions that invariably come up whenever a new builder gets
> started, I'll try to list them and will give my opinion on them. You know
> what they say about opinions - they are like rectums. Everybody's got one
> and most are full of s--t.
>
> What Plans to use? Buy the plans from Andrew Pietenpol (Bernard's
> grandson). http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/> I would also recommend
> buying the reprint of the 1932 Flying and Glider Manual that EAA publishes.
> It has the original plans and a commentary from Pietenpol on building that
> is enjoyable reading.
>
> Wood or steel? - Your choice. Anecdotal evidence indicates the steel tube
> fuselages are lighter. However, they require more planning because you
> have
> to weld on fittings for any attachments, rather than just screwing
> something
> onto the wood.
>
> What engine? - just about everything has been used, from Model A Fords to
> Szekely 3-cylinder radials to Continentals to Corvairs. Some work better
> than others. Purists would say that you should use what Pietenpol used,
> but
> that covers the gamut above. My personal choice is to use a small
> Continental (I have an A65, but if I did it over I would probably use an
> O-200). I live in North Carolina (soon to be moving to the Blue Ridge
> Mountains of Virginia) and an engine failure in this part of the country is
> not to be taken lightly. Therefore I want the most reliable engine I can
> find and it is hard to beat the small Continentals for reliability. Many
> Piet builders are using Corvairs now, because Pietenpol did it and they are
> cheap and powerful. They also (in my opinion) are not terribly reliable.
> Shad Bell knows more about Corvairs than anyone, based on personal FLYING
> experience and he has had a number of serious failures with his. He also
> lives in the midwest and I think that is key - every year when I fly mine
> to
> Brodhead I breathe a sigh of relief when I cross over the Ohio River and
> enter the midwest, where the biggest problem in a forced landing is
> choosing
> which of a dozen acceptable landing fields is the BEST field. Prior to
> crossing the Ohio, I think I counted 4 fields that I passed over in
> Virginia
> and West Virginia where I could land the Pietenpol and be able to take off
> again without damaging it. Since you live in the midwest, your engine
> choice is a little more open.
>
> What wood? You didn't ask this, but you will. Again, since this is my
> email, you get my opinion. I like aircraft grade Sitka Spruce. It has the
> best strength to weight ratio of any wood, is wonderful to work (doesn't
> splinter like fir does) and while expensive, it also offers great piece of
> mind since you don't have to worry if you found all the defects in wood you
> selected at a lumber yard. Even though it is expensive, the cost of all
> the
> wood in the airplane is a small fraction of the total cost of the project.
> I basically spared no expense in building mine and the total cost of the
> entire airplane was right at $15,000 which was spread over 8 years of
> building (I like to tell people I spent the same amount building that
> airplane that a 2-pack a day smoker would have spent on cigarettes in the
> same timeframe). Of that amount, all the wood totaled about $1,000.
>
> What Glue? Most people use T-88 (I did too in the cockpit area where it
> shows). I like Resorcinol. Epoxies are fine, but even now the only glue
> the FAA allows for use when repairing or rebuilding a certificated aircraft
> is Resorcinol. I like working with it, even though it is more troublesome
> than epoxy (joints have to fit perfectly because resorcinol will not fill a
> gap like epoxy will).
>
> Hardware? Again, I like certified aircraft parts. It costs a bit more,
> but
> you know what you've got instead of hoping that the cheap Chinese steel in
> those Home Depot bolts can stand the load holding your lift struts to your
> wing. It also helps convince the DAR or FAA inspector that you know what
> you're doing when they are inspecting your craft to give you the
> Airworthiness Certificate. Aircraft Spruce & Specialty sells a kit with an
> assortment of AN hardware that will cover most of your needs. BTW, order
> their catalog (www.aircraftspruce.com) . They are a good source (if a bit
> pricey) for nearly everything you will need, and their catalog has a lot of
> good information in it. The catalog is free.
>
> DVD's? Someone already mentioned Mike Cuy's excellent DVD. It is
> available
> through Glenn Thomas' website www.flyingwood.com , under "Inspiration".
> Also listed there is Chuck Gantzer's DVD on flying NX770CG, which is also
> worth having. There are other DVD's being offered, but these are the only
> two I know of from people who have actually finished and flown their Air
> Campers.
>
> Local Pietenpol Builders in the Milwaukee/Chicago area? I know of several,
> but will let them come forth on their own. You are certainly close enough
> to Brodhead that you should plan to attend there every year (it is always
> the weekend before that other Wisconsin fly-in)
>
> Join the EAA - While many of us feel the EAA lately has turned their back
> on
> homebuilders, especially those of us who are not building from kits, they
> still are a worthwhile organization to support. They offer a lot of books
> and sources of information that you will need. Join a good local chapter
> if
> you can.
>
> Learn to fly before you finish your Pietenpol - I love flying my Pietenpol,
> but it is not an ideal trainer for a number of reasons. I recommend you
> get
> your license in something more conventional, then get your tailwheel
> training in a Piper J-3 Cub before trying to fly your Pietenpol. If you
> can
> find a place where you can do all your training in a Cub, even better. I
> know Steve Krog at Hartford Wisconsin still trains in Cubs. I'm not sure
> how far that is from Palatine IL. There may be Cubs for rent at Poplar
> Grove (C77). That's pretty neat airport, with a lot of homebuilding and
> Vintage Aircraft activity.
>
> OK - I've aired my opinions. Let the flames begin!
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> "Icarus Plummet"
> Raleigh, NC - Smith Mountain Lake, VA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> motorbikemikexb9
> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 9:48 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hello I'm new here. I'm looking for a little help.
>
>
>
> Hello everyone. I'm Mike from Palatine IL. I'm taking the plunge. I've
> been a fan of the Air Camper for several years now. I Love their classic
> look and feel, as well as the "top wing / open cockpit" design. I'm
> planning to get started building a Air Camper for myself very soon. I was
> up at Oshkosh last week and seeing them up close finally nudged me over the
> edge into deciding to build one. I have a pretty solid background in metal
> fabrication and wood working. I have also scratch built and flown dozens
> of
> giant scale R/C's over the past 10 years. I do know alot about airplanes
> but feel I still have alot to learn. I'm mostly concerned about airframe
> strength, Proper covering technique and figuring out what is needed to get
> a
> airframe / engine built safe and certified. This will be my first full
> scale build. All of my R/C's have been very safe good flying machines but
> I
> have never had to go through any certification process to fly them. I'm
> currently working on m!
> y private pilots license as well.
>
> To sum things up I'm looking for any information, pointers, or any good
> places to find information that will help me with my build.
>
> Some admediate concerns are:
> what plans to use?, what do you guys think is a better route to go: Wood or
> steel tube Fuse? What engines can be used? Are certain grades of
> fasteners
> or hardware recomended or required for this type of build. where is a good
> place to find books / DVD's covering full scale aircraft Building /
> covering
> / certification? Are their any local Air Camper builders near the Chicago/
> Milwaukee area?
>
> Thanks In advance for any help. I plan to be a regular here on the forum
> and hopefully meet many of you in person "as or after" my plane comes
> together.
>
> Thanks, Mike
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256853#256853
>
>
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Hello I'm new here. I'm looking for a little help. |
Brown, new guy, I'll get him when he gets down........ Shake him Waldo
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Any Piets/Projects in the Freeport IL area? |
In their infinite wisdom, my employer has decided to have me do some consulting.....several
weeks AFTER Brodhead.....to a town a bit south of Brodhead, Freeport
Illinois.
Why they couldn't have done this a few weeks ago is a mystery to me! :-) Oh well.
So is there anyone in that general area? I'll fly into Chicago late Sunday, Aug
23 and drive back to Chicago on Wednesday evening.
Jim
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Enduring attributes of the Pietenpol design |
Oh I never take kids up alone, I just told you that so you'd work for me
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat
different, I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine.
Photos would be a big help.
Thanks
Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't do
well in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
"Tennessee is mine. I've been flying that area for 2 years."
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat different,
I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine. Photos would be
a big help.
Thanks
Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't do well
in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
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| Subject: | Re: Any Piets/Projects in the Freeport IL area? |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jim,
Poplar Grove is only a few minutes out of your way either going or coming from
Freeport. I am hanging around the house a lot lately and it would be great if
you came by here. Email or call my cell 815-298-5680. If your evening was free
it is not that far for an evening visit either after work.
Dan H.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2009 9:49 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Any Piets/Projects in the Freeport IL area?
In their infinite wisdom, my employer has decided to have me do some
consulting.....several weeks AFTER Brodhead.....to a town a bit south of
Brodhead, Freeport Illinois.
Why they couldn't have done this a few weeks ago is a mystery to me! :-) Oh
well.
So is there anyone in that general area? I'll fly into Chicago late Sunday, Aug
23 and drive back to Chicago on Wednesday evening.
Jim
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| From: | Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net> |
| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
Lowell,
in 2007 I had a right main gear strut failure and ground looped on the
09-28 runway at Morey.
Needless to say the FAA wanted me to prove my flying competence in a
certified tail dragger.
I took the failed gear to Milw. FSDO to show them the gear was
constructed from 0.058 wall tubing, not 0.074 as shown on the plans.
Only got a glazed stare from the guy, like he nothing about steel
strength. Also knew nothing about the Piet or homebuilts in general.
After several letters and arguements about having to train in a J-3
and then hopefully rent it along with all the paperwork that belongs
to the aircraft, he finally conceded and came to Moreys after I told
him I repaired the plane and had been flying it all summer. He ended
up standing out near the end of the runway and watched me do three
landings.
Then, lo and behold, one year later, similar incident! This time,
because the original shock struts had springs designed for a 2200 lb.
aircraft, one bolt retaining the spring, sheared out the end of the
tube. That was in June.
Finally in late September I received the same letter requiring me to
prove I can actually fly a Piet. Again we went round and round. This
time he said his boss wouldn't let him come watch.
So I switched to plan B. (I spent a lifetime as a Machine Design
Engineer), so I presented the FSDO with a detailed technical paper
complete with charts, and diagrams describing stress loads,both
static, dynamic, and impact and how they, over time affected the strut.
Weeks later, I received a letter simply saying "the matter was closed".
I wonder if he even had any idea what my tech report said.
On Aug 7, 2009, at 9:01 PM, Pieti Lowell wrote:
> >
>
> You fellows ,I don't think you know the half of it, I got a
> registered letter late Friday , dated Thursday, saying that I have
> 10 days from the letter's date to respond to FAA regarding
> practically redoing my complete Private License Tests learning over,
> from getting a tail dragger to be retested , check ride , Area
> operations III,, IV etc, Where does one begin ? so far dozens of
> phone calls just to find an Instructor with a conventional gear
> plane, and when asked if it would be OK to take my check-ride in a
> Pietenpol HA only certified craft with ALL paper work on the plane
> complete. and it goes on and on. Still no airplanes yet available
> and I don't blame anyone to get involved , what a hassle and with
> over 2000 tail dragger hours.
> Pieti Lowell
>
> Wednesday during the Homebuilt Review Showcase (where they shafted
> one of our three Pietenpol guys--Jack Phillips by cutting one of the
> Piets out of the event) the Rotec powered Junior Ace from Poplar
> Grove nearly lost it in similar wind conditions when landing. Three
> times he nearly had his wing tips in the turf--scary stuff but he
> managed to add power, continue down the runway and get a second
> chance.
>
> I was astonished at the ineptitude of the EAA/FAA/and law
> enforcement people who kept Lowell and his plane out on the runway
> for well over an hour. First off---Lowell's well being, once that
> was established to not be an issue they should have cleared off and
> talked with him elsewhere if they needed to. I should know better--
> if the gov't is involved they will take the least practical path to
> a conclusion.
>
> Mike C.[/quote]
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256592#256592
>
>
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio |
Longest cross cournty I've ever heard of! If you'd use a chart and a
compass you might be able to find your way out here. If all else fails,
look for a town's name on a water tower. The Mississippi flows South,
The Tennessee flows north, the Ohio flows West and if you reach the
coast, turn right.
Good Luck
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:21 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
"Tennessee is mine. I've been flying that area for 2 years."
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Tammy
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:59 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat
different, I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine.
Photos would be a big help.
Thanks
Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't
do well in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
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| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Which radio are you going with? I am currently trying to figure out which
radio to buy and the best way to mount it also. Also what kind of antenna
are you using?
thanks
Rick
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Gene & Tammy <
zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> wrote:
> Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
> mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat different,
> I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine. Photos would be
> a big help.
> Thanks
> Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't do
> well in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio |
Hi Rick,
Last night ordered the Vertex VXA - 300 Pilot III from www.skygeek.com
for $219.00. Aircraft Spruce wants $340.00 for the same radio. I had
read somewhere else, some time ago, that it was easier to use that the
Icom and it has a better battery, plus it comes with the headset
adapter. I mounted a 45 degree antenna under my cowling (using the
cowling as my ground plane). I tried it with an old radio I had and it
seemed to work just fine, without engine noise.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Which radio are you going with? I am currently trying to figure out
which radio to buy and the best way to mount it also. Also what kind of
antenna are you using?
thanks
Rick
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Gene & Tammy
wrote:
Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat
different, I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine.
Photos would be a big help.
Thanks
Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't
do well in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio |
Poath
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I am thinking about getting this same radio.... I think it would be
perfect for the Piet. You get anything done the wife's new car? Do you
want to meet to get the shear up to your place and exchange the $70? I
think we could cut up some of that heavy steal angle to send with you to
make a stand.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene &
Tammy
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Hi Rick,
Last night ordered the Vertex VXA - 300 Pilot III from www.skygeek.com
for $219.00. Aircraft Spruce wants $340.00 for the same radio. I had
read somewhere else, some time ago, that it was easier to use that the
Icom and it has a better battery, plus it comes with the headset
adapter. I mounted a 45 degree antenna under my cowling (using the
cowling as my ground plane). I tried it with an old radio I had and it
seemed to work just fine, without engine noise.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland <mailto:at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Which radio are you going with? I am currently trying to figure
out which radio to buy and the best way to mount it also. Also what kind
of antenna are you using?
thanks
Rick
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Gene & Tammy
wrote:
Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others
are mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat
different, I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine.
Photos would be a big help.
Thanks
Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy
doesn't do well in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
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Castle Rock, Colorado
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
I am thinking about getting this same radio.... I think it would be
perfect for the Piet. You get anything done the wife's new car? Do you
want to meet to get the shear up to your place and exchange the $70? I
think we could cut up some of that heavy steal angle to send with you to
make a stand.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene &
Tammy
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Hi Rick,
Last night ordered the Vertex VXA - 300 Pilot III from www.skygeek.com
for $219.00. Aircraft Spruce wants $340.00 for the same radio. I had
read somewhere else, some time ago, that it was easier to use that the
Icom and it has a better battery, plus it comes with the headset
adapter. I mounted a 45 degree antenna under my cowling (using the
cowling as my ground plane). I tried it with an old radio I had and it
seemed to work just fine, without engine noise.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland <mailto:at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Which radio are you going with? I am currently trying to figure
out which radio to buy and the best way to mount it also. Also what kind
of antenna are you using?
thanks
Rick
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Gene & Tammy
wrote:
Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others
are mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat
different, I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine.
Photos would be a big help.
Thanks
Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy
doesn't do well in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
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--
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Castle Rock, Colorado
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio |
IMO, the best handheld EVAH! was the Vertex VXA-150. Plenty of
power, easy to use, great battery life, no frills. For us Pieters, a
bonus is the display location - it's at an angle along the top edge.
Because everything is so close in the Piet pit (the instrument panel
is much closer to the pilot's chest than in many planes), almost
regardless of where you install the radio, you are looking more down
on it that at it. Sadly, no longer available.
I now have the VXA-220, which has the display flat on the vertical
face - much more difficult to read. One advantage of the 220 (and
300) over the 150 is that the adapter connection is much, much more
stout. But, oddly enough, if you use a headset (which requires the
adapter, of course), the built-in PPT on the side of the radio is
disabled. Instead, you MUST use a separate PPT switch. I cannot for
the life of me understand why they would design it this way. I have
always used an external PPT just so I could have the button on the
stick, but one time it failed. No biggie, I just removed that part of
the circuit from the set-up, plugging the headset directly into the
adapter and using the switch on the radio to transmit. Now, can't do
that. Cheap redundancy lost. Bummer.
The 220 and 300 also have VOX, which would provide a similar level of
redundancy in the case of the external PPT switch failing, but I find
that it can't cope with the noise in the open cockpit.
What is everyone else using and why?
>Which radio are you going with? I am currently trying to figure out
>which radio to buy and the best way to mount it also. Also what kind
>of antenna are you using?
>
>thanks
>
>Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
I have also been thinking seriously about the Vertex VXA - 300 or 220. Much
better prices than ICON. A question for anyone that flys with a portable
radio, have you ever needed or wish you had the VOR Nav capability on your
radio?
Rick
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Gene & Tammy wrote:
> Hi Rick,
> Last night ordered the Vertex VXA - 300 Pilot III from www.skygeek.com for
> $219.00. Aircraft Spruce wants $340.00 for the same radio. I had read
> somewhere else, some time ago, that it was easier to use that the Icom and
> it has a better battery, plus it comes with the headset adapter. I mounted
> a 45 degree antenna under my cowling (using the cowling as my ground
> plane). I tried it with an old radio I had and it seemed to work just fine,
> without engine noise.
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rick Holland
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2009 12:32 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
>
> Which radio are you going with? I am currently trying to figure out which
> radio to buy and the best way to mount it also. Also what kind of antenna
> are you using?
>
> thanks
>
> Rick
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Gene & Tammy <
> zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> wrote:
>
>> Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
>> mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat different,
>> I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine. Photos would be
>> a big help.
>> Thanks
>> Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't do
>> well in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
>>
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> Castle Rock, Colorado
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"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Any Piets/Projects in the Freeport IL area? |
Don't know if this fits your calendar, but September 11-13 is the
MAAC Grass Roots Fly-In at Brodhead.
>
>In their infinite wisdom, my employer has decided to have me do some
>consulting.....several weeks AFTER Brodhead.....to a town a bit
>south of Brodhead, Freeport Illinois.
>
>Why they couldn't have done this a few weeks ago is a mystery to me!
>:-) Oh well.
>
>So is there anyone in that general area? I'll fly into Chicago late
>Sunday, Aug 23 and drive back to Chicago on Wednesday evening.
>
>Jim
>
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Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Some are total idiots, some are wonderful. Luck of the draw. The guy who inspected
my Pietenpol
was wonderful. A private pilot who stopped flying to raise a family but he was
so pumped by
visiting Valley City Airport (Cubs, old Fairchilds, Stearmans, etc) that he ended
up buying a Champ
and getting back into aviation. I even went and helped him look at a few Champs
for sale since
I had owned one previously.
One local guy was pilot, IA/A&P and he was all anti FAA until he got a job with
them-- then it went
to his head and now he's a big shot moron who likes to point his finger at people
who do the same
things he used to when he was on the other end of the finger pointing. Moron.
Those are the ones
who give the good FAA guys bad press. Then there are the ones they hire who haven't
a clue about aviation.
Mike C.
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio |
Nope.
>I have also been thinking seriously about the Vertex VXA - 300 or
>220. Much better prices than ICON. A question for anyone that flys
>with a portable radio, have you ever needed or wish you had the VOR
>Nav capability on your radio?
>
>Rick
>
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| Subject: | Bear with me, new to the list & first time posting |
| From: | dgaul94639(at)aol.com |
Hi everyone,
=C2-
Oshkosh =93 Pietenpol Pilots: I also had the chance to see many of
the Pietenpols and talk with several of the pilots at Oshkosh this year.
I can honestly say in my almost 20 years of being a Co-Chairman of homebu
ilt parking there, the Pietenpol group is about the most down to earth bun
ch of pilots. Every pilot I talked to took the time to answer my questions
and encouraged me to start building one. Not=C2-always the reception yo
u get with other types of pilots.=C2-
=C2-I also want to thank Jack Phillips for his advice. The following day
after my conversation with him, I was able to drag myself and my father
away from our flight line duties=C2-to go to Polyfiber=99s forum
on fabric covering. Jack and=C2-the gentleman from Burlington WI (I can
't remember his name and didn't get his contact info)=C2-inspired me to
start right then and there! So now I'm looking for anyone who is building
or flying a Pietenpol near Elkhorn, WI. I would like the chance to gain
more information and experience in building one prior to starting my own
project. =C2-
=C2-
Homebuilt Review: I also wish the review was a bit longer and feel bad for
anyone who was cut due to time constraints. Every year I take part in the
recovery on 36L/18R and witnessed the Baby Ace=99s =9Calmost
loop=9D across the field this year. He did scrape the right tip a
bit but did a great job in recovering. During a homebuilt review about 8
years ago, I luckily avoided a
n Avid that looped and went right where I had been standing! The wind cond
itions were about the same in both cases.=C2-=C2-
=C2-
Landing on Sunday =93 I was upset to find out about Mr. Lowell
=99s current situation with the FAA and hope things turn out right for him
and he=99s flying again soon. The wind was strong that day as it wa
s the previous day when an RV-6=99s rudder cable broke / ground loop
ed right in the same location. I was training new point personnel at the
convention ramp intersection and saw both occur right in front of me.
=C2-
Not speaking for EAA, just myself, any situation that occurs on the field
is met with an array of flashing lights, questions, and subsequent delays
at the scene. When an incident occurs, it always reminds me of the scene
from Airplane when they roll everything imaginable, crash trucks, police,
Budweiser truck, ice cream van, a concrete truck, tractors, etc. But no
matter what they send or the problems after the fact, I am glad when that
people are able to walk away alive! I have seen the alternative back in
2006 with the TBM vs. RV incident on the taxi-way. Bent metal and splinte
red wood can be=C2-repaired, egos can be soothed, licence's reinstated;
people can't be brought back to life.
Fly safe,
Jeff Gaulden =C2-=C2-=C2-
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| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I have the Icom IC-A22 NAV/COM. I don't have a lot of experience with many aviation
handhelds, but I've used a whole slew of Icom, Kenwood, Vertex (Yaesu) radios,
and others in various hobbies or other applications. They are all pretty
good, but I've come to like Icom's robust audio and ease of use. I've got
3 Icom handhelds... one is an old IC2AT 144MHz "brick"... aside from the lack
of DTMF tones, it still works great. I also have an 8 year old 4008A FRS radio
that has been through everything (wet, hot, dropped repeatedly) and it too works
great. I'm sure other manufacturers offer a decent aviation product line,
but I can only speak for the ones I've used personally.
As for the NAV feature... it is a great backup for the VOR radio. I actually used
it on one of my cross country flights, just for fun. It works great, and
why not have a backup? Actually, it will be my only VOR reciever in my Piet.
Most likely I won't be doing a lot of cross country anyway, and when I do I'll
likely use my GPSMAP 195, but it will be nice to have the VOR in the event of
a GPS failure.
I've never used the Sporty's radios (not sure who actually makes them), but they
look like they operate real similar to the Icom for ~$100 less. Can't speak
for their performance though.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257003#257003
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| From: | Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio |
THIS IS MY ICON A24. I HAVE A PPT BUTTON ON THE END OF MY STICK AND
THE RADIO IS WIRED INTO MY INTERCOM ON THE LEFT SIDE ( SEE THE PLUGS
ABOVE THE WHITE THROTTLE BALL. VERY EASY TO READ, AND CHANGE TO ANY
OF 10 CHANNELS PROGRAMED IN.
On Aug 10, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Gene & Tammy wrote:
> Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
> mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat
> different, I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount
> mine. Photos would be a big help.
> Thanks
> Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't
> do well in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
>
>
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| From: | "Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio |
Gene, I use an older Sporty's handheld radio. The antenna is one of
those Cessna bent external ones which I straitened and put behind my
seat,.with a cable to the handheld. The radio is strapped to my left leg
with a velcro strap glued to the back of the radio. I didn't want to
mount it to anything. It works--Jim Lagowski
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene & Tammy
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat
different, I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine.
Photos would be a big help.
Thanks
Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't
do well in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio |
Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld RadioI second that.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Boatright
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Nope.
I have also been thinking seriously about the Vertex VXA - 300 or
220. Much better prices than ICON. A question for anyone that flys with
a portable radio, have you ever needed or wish you had the VOR Nav
capability on your radio?
Rick
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio |
Great looking cockpit and I like how you located the radio.
Thanks
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Roman Bukolt
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
THIS IS MY ICON A24. I HAVE A PPT BUTTON ON THE END OF MY STICK AND
THE RADIO IS WIRED INTO MY INTERCOM ON THE LEFT SIDE ( SEE THE PLUGS
ABOVE THE WHITE THROTTLE BALL. VERY EASY TO READ, AND CHANGE TO ANY OF
10 CHANNELS PROGRAMED IN.
On Aug 10, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Gene & Tammy wrote:
Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat
different, I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine.
Photos would be a big help.
Thanks
Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't
do well in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
The one I recall was a fellow that had his work done through emachineshop.com,
which offers a neat little 3-D drawing tool that requires you to draw all your
own parts, as they do not allow "second prints" so to speak for anyone other
than the original customer, or something like that. I actually drew some smaller
parts and priced it... very expensive.
I can almost picture the guy's website that had the work done... lots of green
in the color scheme of the airplane I believe... and I think he also has an R/C
model to match. I have it bookmarked at home, but maybe this will help someones
memory if we are thinking of the same guy.
I may know of a guy... well, shhhhh. I'll let him introduce himself if he wants
to offer services.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257021#257021
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Here is the thread I was thinking of http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=844&highlight=emachineshop
And this is direct to DJ Vegh's web site http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/06-10-03.htm
Hope this is what you were looking for.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
You are thinking of D.J. Veigh. His website is here: http://www.imagedv.co
m/aircamper/index.h
Stinemetze,
McPherson, KS.
>>> "K5YAC" 8/10/2009 4:16 PM >>>
The one I recall was a fellow that had his work done through emachineshop.c
om, which offers a neat little 3-D drawing tool that requires you to draw
all your own parts, as they do not allow "second prints" so to speak for
anyone other than the original customer, or something like that. I
actually drew some smaller parts and priced it... very expensive.
I can almost picture the guy's website that had the work done... lots of
green in the color scheme of the airplane I believe... and I think he also
has an R/C model to match. I have it bookmarked at home, but maybe this
will help someones memory if we are thinking of the same guy.
I may know of a guy... well, shhhhh. I'll let him introduce himself if
he wants to offer services.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257021#257021
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| From: | Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com> |
That was DJ Veigh, I believe.
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete.
On Aug 10, 2009, at 5:16 PM, "K5YAC" wrote:
>
> The one I recall was a fellow that had his work done through emachineshop.com
> , which offers a neat little 3-D drawing tool that requires you to
> draw all your own parts, as they do not allow "second prints" so to
> speak for anyone other than the original customer, or something like
> that. I actually drew some smaller parts and priced it... very
> expensive.
>
> I can almost picture the guy's website that had the work done...
> lots of green in the color scheme of the airplane I believe... and I
> think he also has an R/C model to match. I have it bookmarked at
> home, but maybe this will help someones memory if we are thinking of
> the same guy.
>
> I may know of a guy... well, shhhhh. I'll let him introduce
> himself if he wants to offer services.
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257021#257021
>
>
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| From: | "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net> |
Comandante Zuniga:
Can't remember anyone real recent posting such an image. At least not within
the last couple of years. Must be an other list perhaps? I know DJ had his
parts cut by Emachineshop, and I know that would not let clients use
previous job files but then most of DJ's stuff would not likely work for a
Pietenpol as his was a GN-1
su fiel corresponsal:
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>
> Not too long ago somebody posted a picture of their laser-cut
> or waterjet-cut metal parts, all out of a single metal plate.
> I can't seem to find that picture or the link to it. Does
> that ring a bell with anyone?
>
>
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
"Right after the War finished, barnstorming was like this all the time.."
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Longest cross cournty I've ever heard of! If you'd use a chart and a
compass you might be able to find your way out here. If all else fails,
look for a town's name on a water tower. The Mississippi flows South, The
Tennessee flows north, the Ohio flows West and if you reach the coast, turn
right.
Good Luck
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe <mailto:gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:21 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
"Tennessee is mine. I've been flying that area for 2 years."
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat different,
I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine. Photos would be
a big help.
Thanks
Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't do well
in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio |
Where are you located? I'm in Camden.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:02 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
"Right after the War finished, barnstorming was like this all the
time.."
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene &
Tammy
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:31 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Longest cross cournty I've ever heard of! If you'd use a chart and a
compass you might be able to find your way out here. If all else fails,
look for a town's name on a water tower. The Mississippi flows South,
The Tennessee flows north, the Ohio flows West and if you reach the
coast, turn right.
Good Luck
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:21 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
"Tennessee is mine. I've been flying that area for 2 years."
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene &
Tammy
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:59 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat
different, I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine.
Photos would be a big help.
Thanks
Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't
do well in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Gene,
I'm 3 seconds away in California (by internet). But a few of us have made a
commitment to fly our newly finished Piets to Brodhead in 2011. Don't worry,
I have your directions down.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Where are you located? I'm in Camden.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe <mailto:gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:02 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
"Right after the War finished, barnstorming was like this all the time.."
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Longest cross cournty I've ever heard of! If you'd use a chart and a
compass you might be able to find your way out here. If all else fails,
look for a town's name on a water tower. The Mississippi flows South, The
Tennessee flows north, the Ohio flows West and if you reach the coast, turn
right.
Good Luck
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe <mailto:gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:21 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
"Tennessee is mine. I've been flying that area for 2 years."
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat different,
I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine. Photos would be
a big help.
Thanks
Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't do well
in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
As many piets that are under construction, a group of you should get togeat
her and have 5-10 sets of fittings cut, divide the cost and it would be muc
h cheaper.- If there were any left over you could hold on to them and sel
l them at brodhead or to another local builder who came along.- It would
help offset the cost a little.=0A=0A=0A
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I'd go in on that
Let me know
Cheers
jon
In a message dated 8/10/2009 6:21:23 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com writes:
As many piets that are under construction, a group of you should get
togeather and have 5-10 sets of fittings cut, divide the cost and it would be
much cheaper. If there were any left over you could hold on to them and sell
them at brodhead or to another local builder who came along. It would
help offset the cost a little.
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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| From: | "Lynn Knoll" <dknoll(at)cox.net> |
This might be the solution for some of you new builders.
I just got off the phone with Ken Perkins who lives in Olathe, KS. He
has a stock of ready made parts ready to go. He mentioned wing fittings,
die spring landing gear shock strut, cabane fittings, lift strut
fittings, gear fittings, control sticks, all the flat parts, and
complete tail wheel assemblies.
His phone: 913-764-6949
His email: kenandveraperkins(at)sbcglobal.net
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| From: | "TulsaFlyer" <gbloud1(at)netzero.net> |
Something along that line may be happening [Wink] ...............Stay tuned!!
Jody
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257054#257054
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| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio |
| From: | amsafetyc(at)aol.com |
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| Subject: | Even the plastic model builders (like me) like Piet's!! |
| From: | "TulsaFlyer" <gbloud1(at)netzero.net> |
A fellow model builder who was at Air Venture took some good pics of the Piets.
And a picture of a now infamous Piet landing.
http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=190432&st
Jody
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257064#257064
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Any Piets/Projects in the Freeport IL area? |
They know you Jimmy, they know you. :-)
Clif
"I count life just a stuff to try the soul's strength on."
> In their infinite wisdom, my employer has decided to have me do some
> consulting.....several weeks AFTER Brodhead.....to a town a bit south of
> Brodhead, Freeport Illinois.
>
> Why they couldn't have done this a few weeks ago is a mystery to me! :-)
> Oh well.
>
> Jim
>
>
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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
18:19:00
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio |
I bought an old Delcom because everything is on the end.
It came with both a chargable pack and an AA pack.
Since the cockpit is small and crouded and I wanted to
retain as much antiqueness as possible I didn't want
this big black flat thing stuck somewhere.
Unfortunately, since I live under the busiest airspace in
all of Canada I now have to have a transponder. I got
one, a Collins, with sender. It apparently is the shortest
one made but it will still be intrusive. Oh well.
August 03, 2009 - August 11, 2009
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