Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-ia
August 11, 2009 - August 18, 2009
Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-ia
August 11, 2009 - August 18, 2009
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gene & Tammy
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat
different, I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine.
Photos would be a big help.
Thanks
Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't
do well in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
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Date: Aug 11, 2009
From: Matt Keyes <keyesmp(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: front cockpit entry
I just saw a video of Michael Cuy demonstrating the "proper" technique for
entry into the front cockpit and I no longer question the need for a front
door that might weaken the overall structure or add complexity (especially
if the wing is higher, like most of the AirCampers I've seen- at Brodhead
.)- I wish I had seen that video first.- It reminds me of learning to f
ly, it looks challenging, but with care, patience and proper instruction, i
t can be done with ease.- Thanks for all the great input on front door to
cut or not to cut.- P.S. my bride and I are expecting our first baby Pie
t copilot any day now, so I think I'll be renting Waldo Pepper to watch as
I wait for the contractions to come and go.- I'm sure it will help her ta
ke her mind off things, and from the sounds of it, there are some great lin
es I could try quoting during the delivery!
-
Matt Keyes=0A=0A=0A
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 11, 2009
Subject: front pit entry/egress and The Great Waldo Pepper
Now you're talking Matt Keyes-- forgettabout the door. Save weight and add simplicateness....
or what did Bernard Pietenpol used to say....simplicate and add lightness--that's
it.
You'll enjoy watching the movie but beware if your wife goes into labor while watching
that
movie--she may have flashbacks for the rest of your days saying "there I was writing
in pain
giving birth to your firstborn and you're watching that stupid barnstorming movie
!"
Keep us posted--congratulations !
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: metal parts
Date: Aug 11, 2009
Thanks to all who replied. Of course I knew about DJ's aluminum
parts and his experience with the online parts fabricator, but
I was looking for the one that Peter Johnson sent me.
Still wondering if the Cozygirlzzz are going to offer parts or
fabrications...
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Handheld Radio
Date: Aug 11, 2009
I'll mention Bill Rewey's packet of details and ideas
once again. Among the details that Bill's packet
includes is a metal bracket that he uses for his GPS
and another for his handheld. Worth taking a look at.
Maybe there is a picture of it among the pix of Bill's
airplane at westcoastpiet.com or maybe somebody took
a pic inside Bill's airplane.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: Re: Bear with me, new to the list & first time posting
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 11, 2009
Hi Jeff. It would be interesting to hear other views on the airplanes antics and
movements during my very quick side slide to the East. Just to see if they
parallel with mine.
And by the way the FAA has not kept my out of the air, I will take a FAA check
ride in a J3 Cub around the end of the month or maybe sometime in September, or
as they indicate ?????????. I will suggest, save our tax payer's money and just
default, don't show etc. etc.. I wish that I could give him a ride as shown
in the latest Vintage Kent Pictsch article. The truck top landing is a little
tricky with 25 to 30 crosswinds. Was there and done that.
Pieti Lowell
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257119#257119
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Subject: Re: Even the plastic model builders (like me) like Piet's!!
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 11, 2009
Hi Jody.
A great shot, that is just as the puff hit with gusto, Notice that the tail is
planted, the stick is full left and back,as the right gear cross bar took a (
Z ) shape. The photo also shows that the prop has not yet touched the surface.
The right wing did not touch until I had slid to the grass. and then just touch
the front corner of the end bow, with about 1/8 " scraped off the fabric'.
And you all might want to know that that B crank is well under .001 run-out and
Magniflux good.The crank extension will be replaced
Other photos are great.
Pieti Lowell
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257126#257126
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Date: Aug 11, 2009
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: carburetor
I am using the Aero Carb on my corvair, and I am trying to tune it up. Does anyone
else have this combination and, if so, what are your experienses with, and
do you like the carb? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message ----
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:15:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: front pit entry/egress and The Great Waldo Pepper
Now you're talking Matt Keyes-- forgettabout the door. Save weight and add simplicateness....
or what did Bernard Pietenpol used to say....simplicate and add lightness--that's
it.
You'll enjoy watching the movie but beware if your wife goes into labor while watching
that
movie--she may have flashbacks for the rest of your days saying "there I was writing
in pain
giving birth to your firstborn and you're watching that stupid barnstorming movie
!"
Keep us posted--congratulations !
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 11, 2009
Subject: photos posted from Brodhead and Oshkosh
Go here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41439316@N08/?saved=1
Hopefully this will work.
Mike C.
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Subject: Re: Bear with me, new to the list & first time posting
From: "Jeff Gaulden" <Dgaul94639(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 11, 2009
Pieti,
I did not get a chance to see the entire events transpire as we were watching the
lead plane ahead of you fight the same gusts of wind. We thought he was going
to loop and were concentration on him. But like I said earlier, my fellow volunteers
and I were glad to see that you were out and ok.
Last year I got my tail dragger endorsement and know enough to almost keep me out
of trouble and yet still be dangerous, and I would consider myself lucky to
have even a of the hours you have, but for those two days I thought that many
of the tail dragger's would have preferred 27 to stay a bit more into the wind?
Im remembering that the wind was almost due west. Even the spam can mass arrivals
were fighting it pretty hard. Just wanted to know what you thought.
Also, would you have any suggestions for a potential new builder with next to no
experience in building aircraft? I saw mikes post and watching the replies.
Also, Im reading Tonys books, went to the fabric forms at Oshkosh, and plan to
go to more next year as well. I probably buy the plans from Pietenpol family,
the whole set with longer fuselage, gear, builders notes, etc. I will try to
find the EAA video on wood aircraft. Other than that, I dont know really were
to actually start? Will it become clearer after looking at the plans? I would
like to start building some wing ribs or start on something, but I am on a project
in southern Indiana right now and am significantly limited.
I'm glad to hear you are still flying as I am taunted by crop dusters on a daily
bases and want to do something airplane related!
Thanks,
Jeff
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257177#257177
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Subject: Re: front cockpit entry
From: "Paul N. Peckham" <peckham9(at)countryspeed.com>
Date: Aug 11, 2009
Hey Matt,
No need to rent TGWP. Give me a call and you can borrow mine. Your wife is a
jewel to let you watch that! And yeah there are a lot of memorable quotes in
that movie.......and everyone on this forum knows it! In case it is an extended
labor (this is the voice of experience here), might I suggest High Road to
China with Tom Selleck and 2 very ratty looking Stampe biplanes. Heaven knows,
you don't want to run out of things to watch. Good luck.
Paul
P.S. I know I'll get flamed for this, but I always thought that High Road to China
was the better of the two movies.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257183#257183
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Date: Aug 11, 2009
Subject: Re: carburetor
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Gardiner,
The Corvaircraft email list would probably be a good place to get
information on the Corvair/AeroCarb combo. Every so often it comes up in a
discussion. You might try searching for 'Aerocarb' at the Corvaircraft
archives located at: http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/frame/index.jsp.
Based upon casual observation, it seems that just as many people have
trouble getting the Aerocarb to run correctly as those that succeed with it.
In one of William Wynne's posts he mentions Joe Horton (a KR guy) as a
person that has had plenty of firsthand experience with the Aerocarb, and
has been able to get it running well, and who likes the carb as well. The
last email address for him I can find from the archives is:
joe.kr2s.builder(at)juno.com. You may try dropping him a line. Good luck, gotta
get back to work. :P
Have a good day,
Ryan
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:52 AM, airlion wrote:
>
>
> I am using the Aero Carb on my corvair, and I am trying to tune it up. Does
> anyone else have this combination and, if so, what are your experienses
> with, and do you like the carb? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 11, 2009
Subject: Re: front cockpit entry
Waldo , they're smoking, don't let me burn, don't let me burn Waldo , I'm
burning, I'm burning Waldo
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 11, 2009
Subject: Re: carburetor
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Hey Gardiner
Bill Clapp has also had good luck with the Aerocarb on his KR.
http://www.billclapp.com/
Rick
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> Gardiner,
>
> The Corvaircraft email list would probably be a good place to get
> information on the Corvair/AeroCarb combo. Every so often it comes up in a
> discussion. You might try searching for 'Aerocarb' at the Corvaircraft
> archives located at: http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/frame/index.jsp.
> Based upon casual observation, it seems that just as many people have
> trouble getting the Aerocarb to run correctly as those that succeed with it.
>
>
> In one of William Wynne's posts he mentions Joe Horton (a KR guy) as a
> person that has had plenty of firsthand experience with the Aerocarb, and
> has been able to get it running well, and who likes the carb as well. The
> last email address for him I can find from the archives is:
> joe.kr2s.builder(at)juno.com. You may try dropping him a line. Good luck,
> gotta get back to work. :P
>
> Have a good day,
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:52 AM, airlion wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I am using the Aero Carb on my corvair, and I am trying to tune it up.
>> Does anyone else have this combination and, if so, what are your experienses
>> with, and do you like the carb? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
>>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Date: Aug 11, 2009
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Handheld for sale
I bought a brand new ICOM A-6 just for the big arrival into OSH only to-f
ind out that I didn't-need it after all. It has a rechargable NIMh pack a
s well as a drycell pack and the adaptor for a headset and of course, a cha
rger and a little leash and removable belt clip.
-
The only thing I have done is charge the NIMh pack and load up the AA cells
into the other back. It's probably been turned on a total of 20 minutes. S
till in the box and ready to go.
-
Read about the radio on the Icom website or any avionics ad. Seems like a g
reat little radio but I have no need-for one in the Piet. Make me (a reas
onable) offer.
-
Larry=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: carburetor
Date: Aug 11, 2009
Gardiner,
You heard some decent things about Aero Carb, but you may wish to contact
Brandon Tucker, btucke73(at)yahoo.com. I don't think he is such a great fan,
and in fact I think he replaced his Aero Carp with something else. Brandon
flies a 601HDS that I think he put up for sale before his latest deployment
to Iraq or Afghanistan. I would be surprised, though, if he does not still
answer to the above email. Good luck...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: carburetor
I am using the Aero Carb on my corvair, and I am trying to tune it up. Does
anyone else have this combination and, if so, what are your experienses
with, and do you like the carb? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message ----
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:15:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: front pit entry/egress and The Great Waldo Pepper
Aerospace Corporation]"
Now you're talking Matt Keyes-- forgettabout the door. Save weight and add
simplicateness....
or what did Bernard Pietenpol used to say....simplicate and add
lightness--that's it.
You'll enjoy watching the movie but beware if your wife goes into labor
while watching that
movie--she may have flashbacks for the rest of your days saying "there I was
writing in pain
giving birth to your firstborn and you're watching that stupid barnstorming
movie !"
Keep us posted--congratulations !
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: photos posted from Brodhead and Oshkosh
From: "TulsaFlyer" <gbloud1(at)netzero.net>
Date: Aug 11, 2009
It may be just me, but I couldn't get the link to work. [Crying or Very sad]
Jody
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257202#257202
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 11, 2009
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: carburetor
Thanks for the contact Gary. I replied to him and I will wait and see. It was nice
meeting you at C37 and keep at it on your piet. It will all come together`.
I am almost ready to fly. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message ----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:47:20 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: carburetor
Gardiner,
You heard some decent things about Aero Carb, but you may wish to contact
Brandon Tucker, btucke73(at)yahoo.com. I don't think he is such a great fan,
and in fact I think he replaced his Aero Carp with something else. Brandon
flies a 601HDS that I think he put up for sale before his latest deployment
to Iraq or Afghanistan. I would be surprised, though, if he does not still
answer to the above email. Good luck...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: carburetor
I am using the Aero Carb on my corvair, and I am trying to tune it up. Does
anyone else have this combination and, if so, what are your experienses
with, and do you like the carb? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message ----
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:15:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: front pit entry/egress and The Great Waldo Pepper
Aerospace Corporation]"
Now you're talking Matt Keyes-- forgettabout the door. Save weight and add
simplicateness....
or what did Bernard Pietenpol used to say....simplicate and add
lightness--that's it.
You'll enjoy watching the movie but beware if your wife goes into labor
while watching that
movie--she may have flashbacks for the rest of your days saying "there I was
writing in pain
giving birth to your firstborn and you're watching that stupid barnstorming
movie !"
Keep us posted--congratulations !
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: carburetor
Date: Aug 11, 2009
When I get that news I will toast a beer to you...!
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: carburetor
Thanks for the contact Gary. I replied to him and I will wait and see. It
was nice meeting you at C37 and keep at it on your piet. It will all come
together`. I am almost ready to fly. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message ----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:47:20 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: carburetor
Gardiner,
You heard some decent things about Aero Carb, but you may wish to contact
Brandon Tucker, btucke73(at)yahoo.com. I don't think he is such a great fan,
and in fact I think he replaced his Aero Carp with something else. Brandon
flies a 601HDS that I think he put up for sale before his latest deployment
to Iraq or Afghanistan. I would be surprised, though, if he does not still
answer to the above email. Good luck...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: carburetor
I am using the Aero Carb on my corvair, and I am trying to tune it up. Does
anyone else have this combination and, if so, what are your experienses
with, and do you like the carb? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message ----
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:15:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: front pit entry/egress and The Great Waldo Pepper
Aerospace Corporation]"
Now you're talking Matt Keyes-- forgettabout the door. Save weight and add
simplicateness....
or what did Bernard Pietenpol used to say....simplicate and add
lightness--that's it.
You'll enjoy watching the movie but beware if your wife goes into labor
while watching that
movie--she may have flashbacks for the rest of your days saying "there I was
writing in pain
giving birth to your firstborn and you're watching that stupid barnstorming
movie !"
Keep us posted--congratulations !
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 12, 2009
From: Jim <jimboyer(at)hughes.net>
Subject: Re: carburetor
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol builder with Corvair
HI Gary,
We are finally on our way home; now in Wall SD and heading for Montana tomorrow.
Gardiner,
Glad to hear you are so far along with your Piet. It was nice to meet you at Brodhead
and be able to put a face to the name. Gary is ahead of me but hope to
catch or at least keep the gap from growing when I get back home and start working
on my Piet again.
I have a Stromburg NAS-3 on my corvair; got it from Russ at D&G and it looks like
it is brand new he does such good work on them. I decided I wanted a reliable
well known carb for my Piet as there are so many other things that might cause
me to spend extra time. Trying to get myself to quit adding and modifying
and build it as much like Bernard as I can. Also the only way to keep close
to the speed demon Gary.
Cheers Gardiner,
Jim
On Aug 11, 2009, Gary Boothe wrote:
When I get that news I will toast a beer to you...!
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: carburetor
Thanks for the contact Gary. I replied to him and I will wait and see. It
was nice meeting you at C37 and keep at it on your piet. It will all come
together`. I am almost ready to fly. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message ----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:47:20 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: carburetor
Gardiner,
You heard some decent things about Aero Carb, but you may wish to contact
Brandon Tucker, btucke73(at)yahoo.com. I don't think he is such a great fan,
and in fact I think he replaced his Aero Carp with something else. Brandon
flies a 601HDS that I think he put up for sale before his latest deployment
to Iraq or Afghanistan. I would be surprised, though, if he does not still
answer to the above email. Good luck...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: carburetor
I am using the Aero Carb on my corvair, and I am trying to tune it up. Does
anyone else have this combination and, if so, what are your experienses
with, and do you like the carb? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message ----
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:15:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: front pit entry/egress and The Great Waldo Pepper
Aerospace Corporation]"
Now you're talking Matt Keyes-- forgettabout the door. Save weight and add
simplicateness....
or what did Bernard Pietenpol used to say....simplicate and add
lightness--that's it.
You'll enjoy watching the movie but beware if your wife goes into labor
while watching that
movie--she may have flashbacks for the rest of your days saying "there I was
writing in pain
giving birth to your firstborn and you're watching that stupid barnstorming
movie !"
Keep us posted--congratulations !
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: radio pics
Date: Aug 11, 2009
I have to apologize boys. I didn't realize those radio
pics hadn't been reduced to my usual 130kb.
I always take pics at the highest resolution on the camera.
This means that when I do reduce them they will still be
sharp in magnification. It appears I have been remiss in
my reductions.
Clif
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 12, 2009
From: "wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com" <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Subject: OSH Groundloops
Fellas,
It looks like that Pober Junior Ace with the Rotec didn't escape Oshkosh
2009 unscathed afterall:
http://www.paulonline.smugmug.com/gallery/9196500_fTdHx#616717492_2rZPS-X3-LB
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it sounds like a rough week for
a lot of folks.
Sorry about the misfortune at the Big Show.
-Wayne Bressler
wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com
www.taildraggersinc.com
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 12, 2009
Subject: Rotec Pober Jr. Ace accident
Wow Wayne, when Rob Busch and I were watching him land after Wednesday Homebuilt
Review
he did a good job of recovering from what looked like a potential problem with
the crosswind.
Any chance you might know if this photo was taken in the Saturday (a repeat-kind-of)
Homebuilt
Review ? The winds were not always kind at Oshkosh this year.
http://www.paulonline.smugmug.com/gallery/9196500_fTdHx#616717492_2rZPS-X3-LB
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Subject: Re: OSH Groundloops
From: "Jeff Gaulden" <Dgaul94639(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 12, 2009
Wayne,
Do you know when that picture was taken? Which day?
Jeff
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257265#257265
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Date: Aug 12, 2009
Subject: Re: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels?
From: Ken Chambers <ken.riffic(at)gmail.com>
Hey Mike
I don't suppose you have any photos of your axle? Love to see how it worked
out.
And have you figured out the brakes? I wonder what the radius of the 4-bolt
pattern is on that wheel. Maybe it matches some of the band brakes or drum
brakes on the market?
Ken
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Mike Tunnicliffe wrot
e:
> They look like the Chineese made wheels I'am using, I knocked out the
> bearings and installed bronze bushes with a 1" bore as that was the large
st
> size I could fit through the hub. Not flight proven at this stage.
> Regards Mike T.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ken Chambers
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2009 6:10 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels?
>
> Thats a sweet setup Gary. Never thought of that. I might be able to make
> something like that work.
>
> For tyhe dirt bike wheels I'm looking at, I've emailed the seller to ask
> the axle diameter but I haven't heard back. Also trying to figure out how
> wide the spoke is, hub to hub.
>
> Speaking of brakes, there is a flange with four holes on one side. You ca
n
> see it in the attached photo
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Gary Boothe wrote
:
>
>> Ken,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have no machining skills, or tools, either. Attached is a picture of h
ow
>> I made it happen: Just figured out a way to chuck the axle to one of my
=BD=94
>> drills and used wet-or-dry paper to remove the steel; took about 45 minu
tes
>> ' 1 hour per axle.
>>
>>
>>
>> A solid axle is being used by many, but you did not say how big of an ax
le
>> your bearings might take.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gary Boothe
>>
>> Cool, Ca.
>>
>> Pietenpol
>>
>> WW Corvair Conversion
>>
>> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>>
>> (13 ribs down=85)
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
>> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Chambers
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 8:21 AM
>> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Gary. That's a beautiful setup you have. I have no machining skil
ls
>> or tools so I'm trying to figure out a way to do it as simply as possibl
e
>> with the split axle gear.
>>
>> I wonder if anyone uses solid axles? Heavier, sure, but would it hold up
.
>> On a motorcycle it's supported on both ends by the fork.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Gary Boothe
>> wrote:
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>>
>>
>> You will likely get the usual discussion on the pros & cons of using
>> motorcycle wheels, so you will have to make your own decision on that. I
>> bought 21=94 Harley Sportster wheels with the bearings replaced to recei
ve 1=94
>> axles. I then used Dick Navatril=92s idea of an 1 =BC=94 axle (tube) wit
h
>> step-down tubes installed. My step-down tubes run in about 18=94 on each
end,
>> with the 1=94 OD axle being the last. I had to actually mil this one as
it was
>> .004=94 over 1=94!
>>
>>
>>
>> =93Wheels 1=94 shows that the Harley hub has 5 pre-drilled and threaded
holes
>> for the disc brake set up on motorcycles. I match-drilled this layout on
my
>> drub brake shoe and attached the shoe with a cover disc (=931187=94).
>>
>>
>>
>> The wheels you are showing have a very interesting spoke attach method,
>> and you may be challenged to find a way to attach brakes, either disc or
>> drum.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am certainly no expert, and mine is not flight-proven. Good luck!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Gary Boothe
>>
>> Cool, Ca.
>>
>> Pietenpol
>>
>> WW Corvair Conversion
>>
>> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>>
>> (13 ribs down=85)
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
>> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Chambers
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:59 PM
>> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone with motorcycle wheel experience care to offer an opinion on thes
e
>> dirt bike wheels?
>>
>> Think they'd be strong enough to handle the side loads? Any thoughts on
>> attaching brakes? Machining them for a bigger axle? Or could keep the
>> existing bearings with a solid axle?
>>
>> I've emailed to ask hub width and axle diameter but haven't heard back
>> yet. Looks like the hub width is maybe 3 inches?
>>
>>
>> http://contact.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ShowCoreAskSellerQue
stion&&iid=190248078501&requested=giovannibikes&frm=284&redirect=0&
noredirectfaq=1&SSPageName=PageAskSellerQuestion_FAQ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ken Chambers
>> 512-796-1798
>>
>> * *
>>
>> * *
>>
>> **
>>
>> **
>>
>> **
>>
>> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List*
>>
>> **
>>
>> **
>>
>> *http://forums.matronics.com*
>>
>> **
>>
>> **
>>
>> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
>>
>> * *
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Ken Chambers
> 512-796-1798
>
> *
>
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> *
>
>
--
Ken Chambers
512-796-1798
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: OSH Groundloops
Date: Aug 12, 2009
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
This was my neighbor Tim Gallagher. He stopped into the hanger last night. It was
on take-off on the last Sunday. What happed was, he was in the right seat with
his son in the left. After full throttle, they applied right rudder, and the
rudder pedal on his side broke off. Tim tried to tell his son but it was too
late. He said this was one of his first welds on the whole airplane. He has
it all apart in his hanger now doing the repairs, which you can see are going
to be substantial. Sad, but no humans broken.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
-----Original Message-----
From: wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:50 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: OSH Groundloops
?
Fellas,?
?
It looks like that Pober Junior Ace with the Rotec didn't escape Oshkosh 2009 unscathed afterall: http://www.paulonline.smugmug.com/gallery/9196500_fTdHx#616717492_2rZPS-X3-LB?
?
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it sounds like a rough week for a lot
of folks.?
?
Sorry about the misfortune at the Big Show.?
?
-Wayne Bressler?
wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com?
www.taildraggersinc.com?
?
?
?
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 12, 2009
Subject: direct info from Dan Helsper
Thank you for filling us in on Tim's situation departing Oshkosh Dan. I was looking
at
the historical weather data for Sunday at 2 pm (which was when the photo was taken)
and the winds were a direct crosswind from 270 at 15, gusting to 20 mph but evidently
they had bigger problems with that weld breaking.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: OSH Groundloops
Date: Aug 12, 2009
Dan,
I wondered what happened. I was driving home from work a few days ago
and the trailer with the Junior Ace on it passed me on the other side
of the road. It was a bit sad.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Aug 12, 2009, at 6:39 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> This was my neighbor Tim Gallagher. He stopped into the hanger last
> night. It was on take-off on the last Sunday. What happed was, he
> was in the right seat with his son in the left. After full throttle,
> they applied right rudder, and the rudder pedal on his side broke
> off. Tim tried to tell his son but it was too late. He said this was
> one of his first welds on the whole airplane. He has it all apart in
> his hanger now doing the repairs, which you can see are going to be
> substantial. Sad, but no humans broken.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:50 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: OSH Groundloops
>
> >
>
> Fellas,
>
> It looks like that Pober Junior Ace with the Rotec didn't escape
> Oshkosh 2009 unscathed afterall: http://www.paulonline.smugmug.com/gallery/9196500_fTdHx#616717492_2rZPS-X3-LB
>
> I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it sounds like a rough week
> for a lot of folks.
>
> Sorry about the misfortune at the Big Show.
>
> -Wayne Bressler
> wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com
> www.taildraggersinc.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Subject: Re: OSH Groundloops
Date: Aug 12, 2009
No, I don't know, but Mike says it was Sunday, and now Dan has
confirmed it. As Dan said, I'm just glad no one was hurt.
It's a shame about the airplane, too. A really nice bird.
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete.
On Aug 12, 2009, at 7:41 AM, "Jeff Gaulden" wrote:
> >
>
> Wayne,
>
> Do you know when that picture was taken? Which day?
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257265#257265
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Subject: Re: OSH Groundloops
Date: Aug 12, 2009
Dan,
Thank you for the full story. I hope I didn't contribute to any
misinformation being passes around.
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete.
On Aug 12, 2009, at 7:39 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> This was my neighbor Tim Gallagher. He stopped into the hanger last
> night. It was on take-off on the last Sunday. What happed was, he
> was in the right seat with his son in the left. After full throttle,
> they applied right rudder, and the rudder pedal on his side broke
> off. Tim tried to tell his son but it was too late. He said this was
> one of his first welds on the whole airplane. He has it all apart in
> his hanger now doing the repairs, which you can see are going to be
> substantial. Sad, but no humans broken.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:50 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: OSH Groundloops
>
> >
>
> Fellas,
>
> It looks like that Pober Junior Ace with the Rotec didn't escape
> Oshkosh 2009 unscathed afterall: http://www.paulonline.smugmug.com/gallery/9196500_fTdHx#616717492_2rZPS-X3-LB
>
> I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it sounds like a rough week
> for a lot of folks.
>
> Sorry about the misfortune at the Big Show.
>
> -Wayne Bressler
> wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com
> www.taildraggersinc.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: worst movie ever
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Aug 12, 2009
Crap! I thought someone was in my camp with TGWP being the worst movie ever, but
before I even read the post I saw the author and knew that wouldn't be the
case. Ok ,ok... before everyone runs out to grab their ropes and light their
torches... it's not the worst movie EVER... at least it's got airplanes in it...
but, well... awww geez, no way outta this one. Ha ha!
CHAPPIE!!
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257308#257308
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: worst movie ever
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Aug 12, 2009
I know, I know... don't disconcert the masses. [Rolling Eyes]
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257309#257309
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Aug 12, 2009
Subject: Re: worst movie ever
The worst movie ;ever is "Delta Force" with Chuck Norris. I mean it was bad and
then the motorcycle sprouted wings and took off.
Steve (now a movie critic) D
----- Original Message -----
From: K5YAC <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:11
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: worst movie ever
>
> Crap! I thought someone was in my camp with TGWP being the worst movie ever,
but before I even read the post I saw the author and
> knew that wouldn't be the case. Ok ,ok... before everyone runs
> out to grab their ropes and light their torches... it's not the
> worst movie EVER... at least it's got airplanes in it... but,
> well... awww geez, no way outta this one. Ha ha!
>
> CHAPPIE!!
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257308#257308
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: worst movie ever
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Aug 12, 2009
Yeah John, just what exactly does this have to do with building or flying Pietenpols
anyway? [Laughing]
Exhibit A:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Amsafetyc
Joined: 03 Nov 2006
Posts: 495
Location: PA
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:35 pm
Post subject: Lets clean it up
Lost the intent, what's this have to do with building and or flying a Piet?
Thanks
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257336#257336
________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 12, 2009
Subject: Re: worst movie ever
Absolutely nothing, good one though, thanks for reminding me Mark, now get
back to building your wings!
I bet you were just waiting to pull that forgotten jewel back up to spring
on me, and thanks great response. I am deserving.
John
________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 12, 2009
Subject: Re: worst movie ever
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: worst movie ever
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Aug 12, 2009
:D
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257344#257344
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 12, 2009
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: worst movie ever
Well, I don't know about the WORST movie ever, but I know my favorite
movie for this summer, and maybe any summer from here on out, is
Oh-fficially "Barnstormers":
http://www.barnstormingmovie.com/film.htm
Probably the worst movie this summer is one of the ones I made at
Brodhead when I was too hopped up on coffee!! >:-}
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 12, 2009
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: I'm an A65 oil change virgin...
And now that I have your attention...
;-)
I've changed the oil on almost every car or truck I've ever owned, so
I'm well acquainted with the overall process, but this whole oil screen
thing is new to me.
I've been up close and personal with an A65 apart on a bench, but at the
time I was looking at other things and not looking at the screen
location or the sump in particular.
The A65 Overhaul Manual shows that the oil screen plug/nut is at the
rear of the engine and that I need a 1"1/8 or 1"1/4 wrench to loosen it.
Looking at the following picture, it looks like there are 2 or 3
components to the plug:
http://picasaweb.google.com/TresClements/PietenpolTrip#5254281804407107426
What comes off first? The little nut(s) or the big?
I read Mike Cuy's comments on how to clean the screen in this thread:
http://forum.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=10662 so I'll follow his
instructions on washing it in a little gasoline, running that through a
coffee filter, and running a magnet over the screen and filter to check
for metal.
Is there anything I need to be careful of? In the manual, it looks like
the oil temp probe is close by... it doesn't go through the screen plug
does it?
Hopefully, my A&P friend will be around to help me do the first one, but
there's a chance he might be out-of-town tomorrow, when I want to get
this done.
Any other words of wisdom?
Thanks,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: I'm an A65 oil change virgin...
Date: Aug 12, 2009
Dan, as I recall the oil temp probe is contained in the small nut on the
back of the oil screen. You have to loosen that nut before unscrewing the
large on, or you will twist and damage the oil temperature probe.
Be sure you have a new crush gasket to replace the gasket when you finish -
they are not reusable. Aircraft Spruce sells them. AN 900-28, as I recall.
Those are about the only words of wisdom I can add to Mike's
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin...
And now that I have your attention...
;-)
I've changed the oil on almost every car or truck I've ever owned, so
I'm well acquainted with the overall process, but this whole oil screen
thing is new to me.
I've been up close and personal with an A65 apart on a bench, but at the
time I was looking at other things and not looking at the screen
location or the sump in particular.
The A65 Overhaul Manual shows that the oil screen plug/nut is at the
rear of the engine and that I need a 1"1/8 or 1"1/4 wrench to loosen it.
Looking at the following picture, it looks like there are 2 or 3
components to the plug:
http://picasaweb.google.com/TresClements/PietenpolTrip#5254281804407107426
What comes off first? The little nut(s) or the big?
I read Mike Cuy's comments on how to clean the screen in this thread:
http://forum.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=10662 so I'll follow his
instructions on washing it in a little gasoline, running that through a
coffee filter, and running a magnet over the screen and filter to check
for metal.
Is there anything I need to be careful of? In the manual, it looks like
the oil temp probe is close by... it doesn't go through the screen plug
does it?
Hopefully, my A&P friend will be around to help me do the first one, but
there's a chance he might be out-of-town tomorrow, when I want to get
this done.
Any other words of wisdom?
Thanks,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: I'm an A65 oil change virgin...
Date: Aug 12, 2009
Jack is correct. It is an AN 900-28 and is not re-useable. I bet if
you scrounge around the airport you will find someone with a stash. I
know I usually have 8 or 10 on hand to give to the "hangar door riff-
raff." Don't forget the safety wire!
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Aug 12, 2009, at 4:10 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> >
>
> Dan, as I recall the oil temp probe is contained in the small nut on
> the
> back of the oil screen. You have to loosen that nut before
> unscrewing the
> large on, or you will twist and damage the oil temperature probe.
>
> Be sure you have a new crush gasket to replace the gasket when you
> finish -
> they are not reusable. Aircraft Spruce sells them. AN 900-28, as I
> recall.
>
> Those are about the only words of wisdom I can add to Mike's
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Yocum
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:48 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin...
>
>
> And now that I have your attention...
>
> ;-)
>
> I've changed the oil on almost every car or truck I've ever owned, so
> I'm well acquainted with the overall process, but this whole oil
> screen
> thing is new to me.
>
> I've been up close and personal with an A65 apart on a bench, but at
> the
> time I was looking at other things and not looking at the screen
> location or the sump in particular.
>
> The A65 Overhaul Manual shows that the oil screen plug/nut is at the
> rear of the engine and that I need a 1"1/8 or 1"1/4 wrench to loosen
> it.
> Looking at the following picture, it looks like there are 2 or 3
> components to the plug:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/TresClements/PietenpolTrip#5254281804407107426
>
> What comes off first? The little nut(s) or the big?
>
> I read Mike Cuy's comments on how to clean the screen in this thread:
> http://forum.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=10662 so I'll follow his
> instructions on washing it in a little gasoline, running that
> through a
> coffee filter, and running a magnet over the screen and filter to
> check
> for metal.
>
> Is there anything I need to be careful of? In the manual, it looks
> like
> the oil temp probe is close by... it doesn't go through the screen
> plug
> does it?
>
> Hopefully, my A&P friend will be around to help me do the first one,
> but
> there's a chance he might be out-of-town tomorrow, when I want to get
> this done.
>
> Any other words of wisdom?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 12, 2009
From: "mksoucy(at)yahoo.com" <mksoucy(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: I'm an A65 oil change virgin...
Sounds pretty rgt. I usually reuse the gasket couple times but better to change.
Screen nut should be safety wired. Also like exxon elite oil very much clean
screen with avgas blow clean
Mike
Sent from my iPod
On Aug 12, 2009, at 5:10 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote:
Dan, as I recall the oil temp probe is contained in the small nut on the
back of the oil screen. You have to loosen that nut before unscrewing the
large on, or you will twist and damage the oil temperature probe.
Be sure you have a new crush gasket to replace the gasket when you finish -
they are not reusable. Aircraft Spruce sells them. AN 900-28, as I recall.
Those are about the only words of wisdom I can add to Mike's
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin...
And now that I have your attention...
;-)
I've changed the oil on almost every car or truck I've ever owned, so
I'm well acquainted with the overall process, but this whole oil screen
thing is new to me.
I've been up close and personal with an A65 apart on a bench, but at the
time I was looking at other things and not looking at the screen
location or the sump in particular.
The A65 Overhaul Manual shows that the oil screen plug/nut is at the
rear of the engine and that I need a 1"1/8 or 1"1/4 wrench to loosen it.
Looking at the following picture, it looks like there are 2 or 3
components to the plug:
http://picasaweb.google.com/TresClements/PietenpolTrip#5254281804407107426
What comes off first? The little nut(s) or the big?
I read Mike Cuy's comments on how to clean the screen in this thread:
http://forum.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=10662 so I'll follow his
instructions on washing it in a little gasoline, running that through a
coffee filter, and running a magnet over the screen and filter to check
for metal.
Is there anything I need to be careful of? In the manual, it looks like
the oil temp probe is close by... it doesn't go through the screen plug
does it?
Hopefully, my A&P friend will be around to help me do the first one, but
there's a chance he might be out-of-town tomorrow, when I want to get
this done.
Any other words of wisdom?
Thanks,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 12, 2009
Subject: Re: I'm an A65 oil change virgin...
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
That sounds right from what I can recall. The AN 900-28 is for the screen to
accessory case, but then don't you also need the gasket for the probe to
screen connection...AN 900-10? I think...been a little while since I had to
do an oil change on an A-65.
Dan, we're going to be out this weekend; if you wanted to wait until then we
can coordinate and come out and give you a hand. I may have some safety wire
left in my box, duckbill pliers to twist with, solvent, etc. I can put
together an assortment of tools to bring in my portable box if you need
anything. However I'm fresh out of AN washers, unfortunately. :P
Ryan
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>
> Dan, as I recall the oil temp probe is contained in the small nut on the
> back of the oil screen. You have to loosen that nut before unscrewing the
> large on, or you will twist and damage the oil temperature probe.
>
> Be sure you have a new crush gasket to replace the gasket when you finish -
> they are not reusable. Aircraft Spruce sells them. AN 900-28, as I
> recall.
>
> Those are about the only words of wisdom I can add to Mike's
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:48 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin...
>
>
> And now that I have your attention...
>
> ;-)
>
> I've changed the oil on almost every car or truck I've ever owned, so
> I'm well acquainted with the overall process, but this whole oil screen
> thing is new to me.
>
> I've been up close and personal with an A65 apart on a bench, but at the
> time I was looking at other things and not looking at the screen
> location or the sump in particular.
>
> The A65 Overhaul Manual shows that the oil screen plug/nut is at the
> rear of the engine and that I need a 1"1/8 or 1"1/4 wrench to loosen it.
> Looking at the following picture, it looks like there are 2 or 3
> components to the plug:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/TresClements/PietenpolTrip#5254281804407107426
>
> What comes off first? The little nut(s) or the big?
>
> I read Mike Cuy's comments on how to clean the screen in this thread:
> http://forum.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=10662 so I'll follow his
> instructions on washing it in a little gasoline, running that through a
> coffee filter, and running a magnet over the screen and filter to check
> for metal.
>
> Is there anything I need to be careful of? In the manual, it looks like
> the oil temp probe is close by... it doesn't go through the screen plug
> does it?
>
> Hopefully, my A&P friend will be around to help me do the first one, but
> there's a chance he might be out-of-town tomorrow, when I want to get
> this done.
>
> Any other words of wisdom?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 12, 2009
Subject: Re: I'm an A65 oil change virgin...
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Dan,
If I am not mistaken, Dupage Airport would be relatively close to you. If
you have trouble getting the gaskets locally you may try giving
Mukenschnabel a call; I believe they do engine maintenance on all sorts of
general aviation aircraft, so they may have them. Phone number is:
630-584-7570.
Ryan
(Olson seems pretty quiet, so just in case you can't find a hangar bum that
has any)
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:25 PM, John Hofmann wrote:
> Jack is correct. It is an AN 900-28 and is not re-useable. I bet if you
> scrounge around the airport you will find someone with a stash. I know I
> usually have 8 or 10 on hand to give to the "hangar door riff-raff." Don't
> forget the safety wire!
> -john-
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
> Madison, WI 53718
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: worst movie ever
From: "TulsaFlyer" <gbloud1(at)netzero.net>
Date: Aug 12, 2009
[quote="Amsafetyc"]Absolutely nothing, good one though, thanks for reminding me
Mark, now get back to building your wings!
I bet you were just waiting to pull that forgotten jewel back up to spring on
me, and thanks great response. I am deserving.
John
> [b]
In his hangar, Mark has a collection of no less than 14 bits he has chomped through
just waiting for this moment!! :P
Jody
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Subject: Re: I'm an A65 oil change virgin...
Date: Aug 12, 2009
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
The set-up is identical in my Cont. C-145 in my Aeronca Sedan. Yes, the screen
is safety wired, but I always thought it very curious that the nut that holds
the oil temp. probe in there is not. If that got loose/fell out you would just
as easily drain all the oil from the engine pronto. And another thing along those
lines, I have many straight-thread fuel line connections that rely only on
torque to hold them in too. If any one of them got loose it would not make for
a good day. Any thoughts on this subject?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
?
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: worst movie ever
From: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 13, 2009
As I have heard it said on more than one occasion. Timing is everything
John
------Original Message------
From: TulsaFlyer
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: Aug 12, 2009 7:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: worst movie ever
[quote="Amsafetyc"]Absolutely nothing, good one though, thanks for reminding me
Mark, now get back to building your wings!
I bet you were just waiting to pull that forgotten jewel back up to spring on
me, and thanks great response. I am deserving.
John
> [b]
In his hangar, Mark has a collection of no less than 14 bits he has chomped through
just waiting for this moment!! :P
Jody
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257373#257373
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: I'm an A65 oil change virgin
Date: Aug 12, 2009
Actually, I'm not. I've changed the oil on 41CC several times now.
What I have is a simple siphon pump that I bought at AutoZone, two
hoses, one goes down the filler neck into the oil sump and I manually
suck out the old oil into a 5 gal. transport container that I take to
the oil recycler. MUCH easier than unscrewing the oil sump drain plug
and then safety wiring it again!
The square head on your oil screen cover is probably buggered up
pretty well; all of these old engines have had the hardware buggered
up from years of working on them. I unscrewed mine and took it to a
machinist friend, had him clean up the flats and corners as best he
could, and made me a custom square-head socket for my 3/8" drive
ratchet so I could readily remove it without resorting to a crescent
wrench or open-end wrench.
Yes, the oil temp probe needs to come out first, then the cap is
removed, then you withdraw the screen and follow Mikee's advice by
cleaning it in gasoline or solvent and then running the resulting
liquid through a coffee filter to get a look at your engine's internal
health. Yes, you should replace the soft copper crush washer that
goes in there but you can also re-use them by heating them to
soften them back up. Or something. I use mine a time or two, then
replace; send the AC43-13 police to get me ;o)
My cover has a hole drilled across the flats to allow for safety
wiring it once it's back in place, but it takes more force to take
that sucker off than it looks like, and I think the safety wire is
more for looks than anything else. However, you will impress all
your friends with the safety wire everywhere. And no, it did not
make any sense to me why the oil screen cover would be safety wired
but the oil temp sensor, also screwed in, would not have any on it.
Except that you'd have to wind up the capillary pretty tight before
the sensor would completely back out.
The surprise to me was how black the oil can get in these engines
in just 20-30 flight hours. With no oil filter or cooler, I guess
they are simple engines but that oil is the lifeblood and the screen
does very little more than filter out the bowling balls, large
chunks, and loose hardware.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: I'm an A65 oil change virgin
Date: Aug 12, 2009
can't heat the AN 900 to reuse it, it has asbestos inside it. I think
you are thinking about annealing copper plug gaskets to reuse them. the
AN 900s can be reused a time or two, then time to replace. Technically,
you should replace every time.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga<mailto:taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
To: Pietenpol List
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:04 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin
>
Actually, I'm not. I've changed the oil on 41CC several times now.
What I have is a simple siphon pump that I bought at AutoZone, two
hoses, one goes down the filler neck into the oil sump and I manually
suck out the old oil into a 5 gal. transport container that I take to
the oil recycler. MUCH easier than unscrewing the oil sump drain plug
and then safety wiring it again!
The square head on your oil screen cover is probably buggered up
pretty well; all of these old engines have had the hardware buggered
up from years of working on them. I unscrewed mine and took it to a
machinist friend, had him clean up the flats and corners as best he
could, and made me a custom square-head socket for my 3/8" drive
ratchet so I could readily remove it without resorting to a crescent
wrench or open-end wrench.
Yes, the oil temp probe needs to come out first, then the cap is
removed, then you withdraw the screen and follow Mikee's advice by
cleaning it in gasoline or solvent and then running the resulting
liquid through a coffee filter to get a look at your engine's internal
health. Yes, you should replace the soft copper crush washer that
goes in there but you can also re-use them by heating them to
soften them back up. Or something. I use mine a time or two, then
replace; send the AC43-13 police to get me ;o)
My cover has a hole drilled across the flats to allow for safety
wiring it once it's back in place, but it takes more force to take
that sucker off than it looks like, and I think the safety wire is
more for looks than anything else. However, you will impress all
your friends with the safety wire everywhere. And no, it did not
make any sense to me why the oil screen cover would be safety wired
but the oil temp sensor, also screwed in, would not have any on it.
Except that you'd have to wind up the capillary pretty tight before
the sensor would completely back out.
The surprise to me was how black the oil can get in these engines
in just 20-30 flight hours. With no oil filter or cooler, I guess
they are simple engines but that oil is the lifeblood and the screen
does very little more than filter out the bowling balls, large
chunks, and loose hardware.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
on>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: front cockpit entry
From: "skybachs" <skybachs(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 12, 2009
I have Piet #3 sporting a front door and it looks like we're going with the bathtub
cockpit to boot. One big cockpit, controls in the back only, folding front
passenger seat, instruments up front.
Like an E2 Cub sorta. I have a picture of one done like this in the 50's and it
looks too cool not to try. She'll have the Corvair up front with a custom metal
cowl.
The only question I have is how much stability am I losing by removing the wall
between the cockpits and should I compensate for it?
Rob
--------
NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257435#257435
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Any Piets/Projects in the Freeport IL area?
From: "skybachs" <skybachs(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 12, 2009
I'm in Burlington (50 east of Brodhead and 30ish miles from Poplar Grove).
Come on up to the Miracle Aircraft Company and push some Piet parts around.
Rob
262-758-0894
--------
NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 13, 2009
From: "mksoucy(at)yahoo.com" <mksoucy(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: I'm an A65 oil change virgin
Better to drain get heavies out of sump. Get a quick drain plug with short hose
attached works xcellent. Go Fly, return push plug use old milk jug on stand quick
& clean
Sent from my iPod
On Aug 12, 2009, at 11:04 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
Actually, I'm not. I've changed the oil on 41CC several times now.
What I have is a simple siphon pump that I bought at AutoZone, two
hoses, one goes down the filler neck into the oil sump and I manually
suck out the old oil into a 5 gal. transport container that I take to
the oil recycler. MUCH easier than unscrewing the oil sump drain plug
and then safety wiring it again!
The square head on your oil screen cover is probably buggered up
pretty well; all of these old engines have had the hardware buggered
up from years of working on them. I unscrewed mine and took it to a
machinist friend, had him clean up the flats and corners as best he
could, and made me a custom square-head socket for my 3/8" drive
ratchet so I could readily remove it without resorting to a crescent
wrench or open-end wrench.
Yes, the oil temp probe needs to come out first, then the cap is
removed, then you withdraw the screen and follow Mikee's advice by
cleaning it in gasoline or solvent and then running the resulting
liquid through a coffee filter to get a look at your engine's internal
health. Yes, you should replace the soft copper crush washer that
goes in there but you can also re-use them by heating them to
soften them back up. Or something. I use mine a time or two, then
replace; send the AC43-13 police to get me ;o)
My cover has a hole drilled across the flats to allow for safety
wiring it once it's back in place, but it takes more force to take
that sucker off than it looks like, and I think the safety wire is
more for looks than anything else. However, you will impress all
your friends with the safety wire everywhere. And no, it did not
make any sense to me why the oil screen cover would be safety wired
but the oil temp sensor, also screwed in, would not have any on it.
Except that you'd have to wind up the capillary pretty tight before
the sensor would completely back out.
The surprise to me was how black the oil can get in these engines
in just 20-30 flight hours. With no oil filter or cooler, I guess
they are simple engines but that oil is the lifeblood and the screen
does very little more than filter out the bowling balls, large
chunks, and loose hardware.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 13, 2009
Subject: front seat back serves as a fuselage bulkhead
Rob-- I would at least reinforce the perimeter of your front seat area with say
something like
1/8" in plywood x 2" in an inverted U shape place perpendicular to the sides and
along the bottom
front edge of the pilot's instrument panel just for peace of mind--especially with
the longeron
having been cut for your door installation. Just my gut feeling, no design or
engineering
analysis to substantiate though.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 13, 2009
Subject: Greg Cardinal giving ladies Pietenpol flights
See-the Pietenpol IS a chick magnet ! Greg, you dog you. Great photo
s-thank you for sharing. Looks like they
were having a blast getting rides in your Piet. That's what it is all abo
ut.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 13, 2009
Subject: passenger criteria
It appears you are adhering to the Mike Cuy criteria for selecting passenge
rs, in that they must all be:
1) Female
2) Young
3) Pretty
There are times though when I breakdown and make exceptions to those rules-
despite my best efforts in trying
to be self-disciplined.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 13, 2009
Subject: Re: passenger criteria
Think about all those pretty girls you'd be missing, I'd try to cut down
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 13, 2009
Right down my ally, rides anyone ?
Pieti Lowell
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Subject: pFemale passengers
Date: Aug 13, 2009
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
It appears you are adhering to the Mike Cuy criteria for selecting passengers,
in that they must all be:
?
1)?????? Female
2)?????? Young
3)?????? Pretty
Order of this list is not an implication that one is more important than the others.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Landing gear strut design
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 13, 2009
I have looked very carefully at my gear construction that failed during the EAA
landing, the photo taken shows that all the controls were in the correct position
, and tail wheel planted. The side load that hit put a load on the right
gear enough to collapse the lighter than specified tube and the redesigned strut
was made to bypass the left strut at the cross-over.It was at this area that
folded,and dropped the right wing and prop,
The engine wasn't damaged after complete disassembly, and Magniflux job. The gear
assembly was NOT as per drawings, an item made, when I got the project. Will
be back in the air soon.
Pieti Lowell
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 13, 2009
Subject: pFemale passengers
Order of this list is not an implication that one is more important than
the others.
Exactly right Dan-- they are all equally important !
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 13, 2009
From: Owen Davies <owen5819(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: front cockpit entry
Ryan Mueller wrote:
> A double cockpit door would remove a tremendous amount of strength
> from aircraft. If you built from steel tubing, you might have a
> chance. In which case you might as well weld up an E-2 fuse. I love
> the E-2, and have had the chance to wrench on one. Pure simplicity
> from the genius that is C.G. Taylor. :P
So where do I get plans for an E-2?
Owen
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 13, 2009
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: I'm an A65 oil change virgin
Everyone,
Thanks for the feedback.
I got a local source for the AN900-28 and AN900-10 gaskets, Aero In
Stock in West Chicago (http://www.aeroinstock.com). The gaskets now
have new numbers: MS35769-48 and MSMS35769-11, respectively (maybe he
said 'NS'...).
My A&P friend hasn't replaced his gaskets in 20+ oil changes on his
T-Craft. Your mileage may vary.
Dan - as for safety wire vs. no safety wire on the oil plug: soft
metals, like brass, where the threads "move" every time you tighten them
down against a harder metal, like steel or Al, probably don't _require_
the safety wire since it's seated somewhat tightly. Of course, you
don't want to over tighten for obvious reasons.
From the picture, the square plug looks like it's in pretty good
condition - someone used the right tool when they loosened and tightened
it in the past.
Thanks again,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ray Krause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: I'm an A65 oil change virgin...
Date: Aug 13, 2009
My oil temp probe nut is safety wired, as well as the oil screen "nut".
I can attest to this because both are a real problem (bitch) to safety
wire! Maybe the temp probe was drilled for safety wire by a previous
owner, don't know. I safety wire both to the tach sensor just to the
right side (as viewed from the pilot seat) of the screen location. Also
note that the screen will not come out of the "nut" except with great
force and possible damage. At least that is the case with an older
engine; maybe encrusted with carbon and metal engine parts!
Ray Krause
Former J-3 driver, current Waiex player.
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin...
The set-up is identical in my Cont. C-145 in my Aeronca Sedan. Yes,
the screen is safety wired, but I always thought it very curious that
the nut that holds the oil temp. probe in there is not. If that got
loose/fell out you would just as easily drain all the oil from the
engine pronto. And another thing along those lines, I have many
straight-thread fuel line connections that rely only on torque to hold
them in too. If any one of them got loose it would not make for a good
day. Any thoughts on this subject?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 13, 2009
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: radio location-- cont'd-- and GPS location -- new -- center
wing mount?
We had some good discussion a couple of days ago about what types of radios and
where mounted. Some good pix, too. It seems like having a radio mounted low,
but at an upwards angle, as at least two recent pix showed, is a good idea,
IMO.
Two questions:
First how about the same on gps? What do you have-- I can't imagine popping for
the top-of-the-line Garmin, so:a) what do you like? b) Where do you have it
mounted?
Second, I am fooling around right now with my center wing, and thinking of mounting
space there. I recall some pix where folks had put some electronic components
in the lower part of the middle wing, so that the pilot can look up to see
them. I like the idea of this to a degree, in that the display will be "in
the shade" so that it might be more visible, and glare of sunlight off the screen
itself is unlikely to be a factor. I don't know if I like the idea of punching
keys over my head or not, as I have no experience with that. Maybe there
is not a lot of key input in normal flight?
I seem to recall that someone had a transponder there, or a more traditional Com
radio.
What does anyone have mounted in this space, and what comments do any of you have
about this mounting location?
[I am a long way from buying radios. Right now, I don't want to glue up or box
in some space for possible future components in the center wing. I'll wait for
feedback on that.]
Tim in central TX
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 13, 2009
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: radio location-- cont'd-- and GPS location -- new
-- center wing mount?
Tim,
You mentioned that you are a long way from buying radios, so the
input from the group about GPS units should be tempered with the
knowledge that things can change rapidly in the field.
Having said that, I think there are some things that don't change
quickly. Customer service is one of those. I have a Lowrance 1000
that has some problems. I received poor customer service on this. My
hangarmate has also had problems with them. I think that the unit
itself is great, but again, how good or bad a black box is today may
have little to do with how that company's black box is at the time
you're ready to buy. How the company treats customers is more
longterm.
I now have an Anywhere Map ATC. I have found customer service to be
top-notch. The unit itself, though, is challenging to use well. It's
absolutely stuffed with neat features and information, but not all
that easy to use.
I think for what you may use your Piet for, a GPS isn't that
important unless you fly near complicated airspace (as I do). If that
is the case, then the capability of the unit to clearly show
aviation-specific demarcations (e.g., Class B or C airspace, etc.)
and obstructions is paramount. Everything else is secondary (other
than the basic idea of "where am I" and "where am I going"?).
HTH,
Jeff
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: oil plug tool
Date: Aug 13, 2009
Couple of pix of the tool that I use to get the oil
plug off with a standard ratchet wrench:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/PA120001.JPG
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/PA120002.JPG
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net>
Subject: Continental Engines
Date: Aug 13, 2009
For almost everything you will ever want/need to know about your small
continental engine I highly recommend Harry Fenton's "Hints and tip for
small Continental engines." There is so much bad information put out
about the A 65 and others, that as far as I'm concerned, it's a must
read. And maybe best of all....IT'S FREE! (and you can even ask him
question, but it may take him a little while to answer as he travels a
lot). You can find him at harry(at)bowerflybaby.com The flybaby is a
great site to check out and follow as well, as it's a wooden airplane,
much like ours.
I hope you find it useful
Gene N502R
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 13, 2009
Subject: Harry Fenton on Continental Engines
I second the motion and know that Jack Phillips has high regards for Harry
as well. Both Jack and I have had Harry
generously respond to Continental questions via e-mail and were quite grate
ful for his sharing of knowledge.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental Engines
For almost everything you will ever want/need to know about your small cont
inental engine I highly recommend Harry Fenton's "Hints and tip for small C
ontinental engines." There is so much bad information put out about the A
65 and others, that as far as I'm concerned, it's a must read. And maybe b
est of all....IT'S FREE! (and you can even ask him question, but it may ta
ke him a little while to answer as he travels a lot). You can find him at
harry(at)bowerflybaby.com The flybaby is a
great site to check out and follow as well, as it's a wooden airplane, much
like ours.
I hope you find it useful
Gene N502R
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 13, 2009
Subject: Re: Harry Fenton on Continental Engines
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
A bit of an addition to Gene's post.....Gene listed Harry's email address;
here is the link to the text he referred to:
http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/fenton.htm
Ryan
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] wrote:
> I second the motion and know that Jack Phillips has high regards for
> Harry as well. Both Jack and I have had Harry
>
> generously respond to Continental questions via e-mail and were quite
> grateful for his sharing of knowledge.
>
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Gene & Tammy
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:40 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Continental Engines
>
>
> For almost everything you will ever want/need to know about your small
> continental engine I highly recommend Harry Fenton's "Hints and tip for
> small Continental engines." There is so much bad information put out about
> the A 65 and others, that as far as I'm concerned, it's a must read. And
> maybe best of all....IT'S FREE! (and you can even ask him question, but it
> may take him a little while to answer as he travels a lot). You can find
> him at harry(at)bowerflybaby.com The flybaby is a great site to check out
> and follow as well, as it's a wooden airplane, much like ours.
>
> I hope you find it useful
>
> Gene N502R
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From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: I'm an A65 oil change virgin
Date: Aug 13, 2009
MS stands for Military Specification. AN is "Army-Navy". Many of the newer
MS parts have an earlier AN specification for the same part.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin
Everyone,
Thanks for the feedback.
I got a local source for the AN900-28 and AN900-10 gaskets, Aero In
Stock in West Chicago (http://www.aeroinstock.com). The gaskets now
have new numbers: MS35769-48 and MSMS35769-11, respectively (maybe he
said 'NS'...).
My A&P friend hasn't replaced his gaskets in 20+ oil changes on his
T-Craft. Your mileage may vary.
Dan - as for safety wire vs. no safety wire on the oil plug: soft
metals, like brass, where the threads "move" every time you tighten them
down against a harder metal, like steel or Al, probably don't _require_
the safety wire since it's seated somewhat tightly. Of course, you
don't want to over tighten for obvious reasons.
From the picture, the square plug looks like it's in pretty good
condition - someone used the right tool when they loosened and tightened
it in the past.
Thanks again,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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Subject: Under wing float gauges
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net>
Date: Aug 13, 2009
Has any one made their own float gauge? The one that hangs below the wing...clear
tube. I am thinking about it.
I just finished building the last rib....waiting on Aircraft Spruce. How long
does it normally take to get a wood package? I still have work to do....sanding,sanding
and sanding ribs.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
using Lycoming O-235
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257549#257549
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Under wing float gauges
Date: Aug 13, 2009
Jerry,
Attached are the instructions that Steve Eldridge made available, using
everyday stuff. I haven't built the gauge, yet, but even I could understand
this one!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Under wing float gauges
Has any one made their own float gauge? The one that hangs below the
wing...clear tube. I am thinking about it.
I just finished building the last rib....waiting on Aircraft Spruce. How
long does it normally take to get a wood package? I still have work to
do....sanding,sanding and sanding ribs.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
using Lycoming O-235
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257549#257549
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Subject: Re: front cockpit entry
From: "skybachs" <skybachs(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 13, 2009
NOt a double door, but a single door on the front left.
Now imagine the bathtub cockpit...no divider in between front and rear pits.
I was thinking of closing the front door area to get the strength back and just
go with the bathtub design. With that configuration, I"m only losing the brace
in between the cockpits.
If it really bugged me, I could put a steel bar that is removable for entry and
egress.
Still kicking it around,
Rob
--------
NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
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Subject: Re: front seat back serves as a fuselage bulkhead
From: "skybachs" <skybachs(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 13, 2009
Or I could just glue a bathtub in there...
I like your idea: somehow I have to translate the torsional stress from side to
side. Re-enforcing the sides and bottom of the fuse in a U shape at the rear
crossbrace would probably do it...sorta like a gunnel in a canoe.
--------
NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
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Date: Aug 13, 2009
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: front cockpit entry
Rob,
I can see what you are doing with the door but don't understand "the bathtub."
What do you gain by losing a divider? What is your objective, if you are planning
a seat there anyway? Is it foot room, shin room, wiggle room, what-- with
the seat folded up or removed?
If both the divider and the seat are gone, won't you still have to place your rudder
pedals or rudder bar to situate your feet to fit on both sides of the seat
when it is in place? What are you after? What am I missing?
Moreover, if the seat folds up when not in use, where does it fold to? Does it
fold forward? If it does, how does that placement not interfere with dual controls?
When the seat is in place for a passenger, what makes up the back of the seat for
the passenger? Is that part stationary, or does it fold, too? If it is stationary,
you almost have a divider, in fact.
I must have missed the earliest part of this string. I'm not trying to second-guess
you, I just don't understand the goal.
If your objective is to get more foot or shin room, you can simply make bigger
cutouts in the ply sheet and braces. I have done that, for I had to. Starting
from scratch, you might fab and use curved diagonal bracings for more shin room,
for instance.
In any event, as Mike Cuy states, if you head in the bathtub direction, you will
need at least some orthogonal stiffeners in the area where the seatback and
diagnoals would have been.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: skybachs <skybachs(at)yahoo.com>
>Sent: Aug 13, 2009 7:20 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: front cockpit entry
>
>
>NOt a double door, but a single door on the front left.
>
>Now imagine the bathtub cockpit...no divider in between front and rear pits.
>
>I was thinking of closing the front door area to get the strength back and just
go with the bathtub design. With that configuration, I"m only losing the brace
in between the cockpits.
>
>If it really bugged me, I could put a steel bar that is removable for entry and
egress.
>
>Still kicking it around,
>
>Rob
>
>--------
>NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
>NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
>NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
>NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257585#257585
>
>
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Date: Aug 13, 2009
From: John Smoyer <mox499(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Magneto and prop for Model A
Will,
Thanks very much for your reply. It's the only one I saw, but it's very helpful.
I'll be checking with Cloudcars when I get back to work next week.
I'll check around some local shops for Mag info.
Thanks,
John Smoyer
________________________________
From: Will42 <will(at)cctc.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2009 11:16:02 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Magneto and prop for Model A
J. Anderson of Cloudcars propellers (325-356-2810) can recommend a prop and build
it too and he will work with you to find what you want/need.
As for the magneto choice; there are lots of good mags out there and priced right
if you look around (ebay always has lots of them listed). A four cylinder tractor
mag with the correct rotation is what you need; also whether flange mount
or base mount depending on your set-up. I would recommend a side drive rather
than the end mount; it's much easier to get to if service is needed. You might
want to talk to a magneto shop to see what mags still have service parts available
if needed.
I haven't tried this but I believe a nice side drive can be fashioned from a governor
drive set-up.
Will
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Subject: Re: Under wing float gauges
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net>
Date: Aug 13, 2009
Thanks Gary. I believe even I can do that.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
using Lycoming O-235
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257600#257600
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From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net>
Subject: Re: Harry Fenton on Continental Engines
Date: Aug 13, 2009
Thanks Ryan, that is the one I had wanted to post.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Harry Fenton on Continental Engines
A bit of an addition to Gene's post.....Gene listed Harry's email
address; here is the link to the text he referred to:
http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/fenton.htm
Ryan
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
I second the motion and know that Jack Phillips has high regards for
Harry as well. Both Jack and I have had Harry
generously respond to Continental questions via e-mail and were
quite grateful for his sharing of knowledge.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene &
Tammy
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:40 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental Engines
For almost everything you will ever want/need to know about your
small continental engine I highly recommend Harry Fenton's "Hints and
tip for small Continental engines." There is so much bad information
put out about the A 65 and others, that as far as I'm concerned, it's a
must read. And maybe best of all....IT'S FREE! (and you can even ask
him question, but it may take him a little while to answer as he travels
a lot). You can find him at harry(at)bowerflybaby.com The flybaby is a
great site to check out and follow as well, as it's a wooden airplane,
much like ours.
I hope you find it useful
Gene N502R
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Subject: Re: front cockpit entry
From: "skybachs" <skybachs(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 13, 2009
Single set of controls, removable or foldable seat (against the side of the fuse
or flat to the floor).
The purpose of the bathtub arrangement is to have a ton of room for camping gear
when flying single. With a hammock/cot sling arrangement, you could probably
sleep in it, too. When flying singly, a tonneau cover fits over the open front
area of the bathtub leaving the front (and only) instrument panel in view.
This is an Air Camper, after all...why not push its attributes to the max?
--------
NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
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Date: Aug 13, 2009
From: "mksoucy(at)yahoo.com" <mksoucy(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Under wing float gauges
Thanks for posting has definite potential on future project
Mike
Sent from my iPod
On Aug 13, 2009, at 7:26 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
Jerry,
Attached are the instructions that Steve Eldridge made available, using
everyday stuff. I haven't built the gauge, yet, but even I could understand
this one!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Under wing float gauges
Has any one made their own float gauge? The one that hangs below the
wing...clear tube. I am thinking about it.
I just finished building the last rib....waiting on Aircraft Spruce. How
long does it normally take to get a wood package? I still have work to
do....sanding,sanding and sanding ribs.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257549#257549
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From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 14, 2009
Subject: (no subject)
Pieters,
May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I
believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact
me off Piet line.
Thanks
Corky
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Under wing float gauges
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Aug 14, 2009
Hey Jerry... sounds like you and I are pretty close to the same area in our build.
You are right on the ribs... getting them built is one thing, then the sanding,
sanding, sanding. I applied the polyurethane in batches of 5 ribs. Two
coats on 5 ribs took two evenings. Yep, lots of work. I was all ready to hang
mine on the spars when I discovered that the rear spar fit was too snug ...
more sanding, sanding, sanding. I'll be glad to get the wing parts looking
like wings, but I'll just continue to take my time.
As for the wood package... I ordered mine in late May and received it in early
July. They claim that it takes a week to cut the wood and 4-5 days to deliver
anywhere in the country, so... 2 weeks, right? Mine took more like 5-6. It
didn't help matters that they kept taking stuff from my order to fill other orders.
One day they would claim to have certain items filled, the next they would
be on BO... once my wood was cut and ready to ship, the BO items caused further
delay. I told them, "cancel the BO items and get the wood on the way."
Kind of sucked because I was trying to make the most effective use of my freight
fee.
Oh well, surely not the first or last snag in this project.
Happy building!
--------
Mark - working on wings
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Subject: Re: Landing gear strut design
From: "TulsaFlyer" <gbloud1(at)netzero.net>
Date: Aug 14, 2009
Lowell,
Will the photo Slick took aid in your defense any with the FAA?
Sure looks like it was totally unavoidable. And apparently you weren't the only
one who was blown off the runway.
Jody
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From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date: Aug 14, 2009
Talk to Oiete Lowell.
He's the authority. his wing is the 612 airfoil.
On Aug 14, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Isablcorky(at)aol.com wrote:
> Pieters,
>
> May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil #
> 612, I believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you
> please contact me off Piet line.
> Thanks
> Corky
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 14, 2009
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: front cockpit entry
Now I see what you are trying to do.
Pro-- Supporting this goal... to max the space:
-- Use a rudder bar and heel brakes, to get rid of any rudder pedal height;
-- Assuming you are camping under the instruments, raise (bow) the cross-support
under the panel and the panel itself;
-- Consider that support a thwart (using your "canoe model"), and beef it up, and
add rib (canue, again) strength in the U-pattern Mike Cuy described at the
usual bulkhead location, and finally add gunwales by doubling up the top longerons
between and a few inches past the cabane struts. All this will restore the
strength you need.
But before you get that far:
-- Get out a tape measure and see what will really fit, using your NX29NX for reference.
-- Make some cardboard templates to see what the spaces between members will actually
be;
-- See if you and a hammock can fit. If in doubt, make a mockpit.
Con- speaking against the plan:
-- I don't think that you will find that you will fit on a mattress or in a hammock.
If not, you should plan to sleep under a wing (yes, either a R or L wing)
;).... thus:
-- In BP's design, you can pack a large 50 pound rucksack in the passenger's seat
and strap it in. This is everything you would carry on the trail for a 5-day
hike-- water and filtration, food, cooking, sleeping bag, 2-man tent, some
clothing change, toiletries. This is what many do for fly-ins and Brodhead, but
without bringing all the food and cooking stuff, allowing room so that you
can have clean everything every day (and remain a credit to your community).
-- In addition, without dual controls, you laready have a big empty tub under the
fuel tank and forward of the passenger's seat. You can screw down a box in
that space (removed, ergo, your seat at fly-ins), or put in a bag strapped down
to tie-down fittings. An aviator's kit bag (US military, 1940s thru 1960s,
that I know) is about the right size.
-- Finally, you can add another aviator's kit bag on top of that one. This can
hold a real queen size blow-up mattress with battery-powered pump. Strap this
to the lower bag and the rucksack. Cover with your tonneau. You are set.
-- Others have front tonneau covers. This is a good idea, esp. in cool weather
flying. Chuck Gantzer is fancier than that. He removes his front windshield
for long trips and covers the front pit with an aluminum fairing. When he gets
to the fly-in, he sets that stuff on the ground and re-installs the windshield.
He told me that his fairing is hinged in the middle, running fore-and-aft,
like the hoods on 1920s cars. [This was three years ago-- maybe he is doing
something else now.]
However you do it, it will be interesting to see how it turns out. You seem to
know what you are doing. Keep us informed. If you build it with a tub as you
would like, add small portholes on each side, like Buicks of 1940-60s. After
all, Buick started as a bath tub manufacturer.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: skybachs <skybachs(at)yahoo.com>
>Sent: Aug 13, 2009 9:42 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: front cockpit entry
>
>
>Single set of controls, removable or foldable seat (against the side of the fuse
or flat to the floor).
>
>The purpose of the bathtub arrangement is to have a ton of room for camping gear
when flying single. With a hammock/cot sling arrangement, you could probably
sleep in it, too. When flying singly, a tonneau cover fits over the open front
area of the bathtub leaving the front (and only) instrument panel in view.
>
>This is an Air Camper, after all...why not push its attributes to the max?
>
>--------
>NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
>NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
>NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
>NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257604#257604
>
>
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From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 14, 2009
Subject: Re: 612 airfoil advantages
Gee thanks. I'll have to try it.
BTW I'm reading a new book about some fellow born in Ohio, raised in
Illinois who ordered some yankee troops around during the dispute between my
ancestors and yourn. U S something. Seems he liked what I like at the end of
the day, booze not poontange you evil minded nawtherner.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 14, 2009
Subject: Re: 612 airfoil advantages
Yep, Piet #3, NX411CC
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Date: Aug 14, 2009
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
corky,
Lowell Frank (Pieti Lowell") is "the hammer" on Riblett. I'll send you some stuff
he sent me, if I can find it, in a personal email.
Here is what he posted a year ago on this board:
"
From: Pieti Lowell <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> [Add to Address Book]
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblett install
Date: Jul 30, 2008 8:57 AM
Hi Curious:
Couldn't help noticing your concern, I have been in touch with H Riblett since
the very early 90s and I sent him the Piet wing specs, he then gave me a complete
overview of, Piet, 4412(Luscomb) and two recommended Riblett designs, GA 30- U-
612, plus a thicker design, My second Piet had a 4412, clipped 2 ft. A great performer.
When I installed a Werner 145 on my Blue Piet it would only go 105 MPH @ 80% throttle,
I go much faster with the Werner in another airplane, so I decided to go a head
and build the 612,( not to be confused with the 612 in Riblett's book ) I clipped
the wing two feet, made a 3 piece, 6" hi spars, added the spacer on the spar
to rib, and built it the same as the Pitt. It is close to 5/8" higher and has
a 3/8 undercamber.
With testing the comparison of the Piet to the Riblett wings, using the Lambert
90HP engine, there is a very big difference. Even with the shorter wing, you wont
believe the glide ratio, 42MPH stall, 600 FPM climb, and flat out speed 108 MPH.
The Piet wing has an air separation on the under side at the rear 20% of the wing,
as per Riblitts computer read-out.
By the way the wing will pull close to 2.5 Gs at 120 MPH at the bottom of a loop.
Got a lot of answers, if you need an opinion.
Pieti Lowell"
=========
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Sent: Aug 14, 2009 8:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Pieters,
May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I believe
that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me off Piet
line.
Thanks
Corky
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 14, 2009
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Landing gear strut design
Lowell,
I finally ran into one of the regular crowd at Olson and he informed me
that the T-Craft I was referring to a couple weeks did not have a
Hamilton Standard prop. I'm absolutely horrible with names, and I
didn't write down what it did have...
Glad to hear your plane will be flying again, soon.
Cheers,
Dan
Pieti Lowell wrote:
>
> I have looked very carefully at my gear construction that failed during the EAA
landing, the photo taken shows that all the controls were in the correct position
, and tail wheel planted. The side load that hit put a load on the right
gear enough to collapse the lighter than specified tube and the redesigned strut
was made to bypass the left strut at the cross-over.It was at this area that
folded,and dropped the right wing and prop,
> The engine wasn't damaged after complete disassembly, and Magniflux job. The
gear assembly was NOT as per drawings, an item made, when I got the project. Will
be back in the air soon.
> Pieti Lowell
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257464#257464
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 14, 2009
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: oil plug tool
Wow, Oscar. That's a dandy oil plug tool. Musta cost you a pretty
penny or 2 (or a case of good beer).
The first 2 flights with my friend and CFI, Stefano, went
beautifully yesterday afternoon. This is a nice plane. I let him have
the controls and enjoyed the 15 minute ride (it almost killed me not to
drive, but I want him to be comfortable with the plane).
The oil change was completed with no hitches: I got some great advice
and "best practices." 8 turns/inch for the safety wire. The safety
wire should be the biggest that fits through the holes (but why
shred your fingers using .041 when .032 will work just fine). Wrap
right-hand turn between the nut and the thing you're safety-ing it to
and the left-hand turn on the back side of thing you're safety-ing it
to. Minimum of 1/2" of twists before cutting, then bend it back on
itself to prevent shredding your fingers on the sharp pointy parts.
All you A&P's out there have all this stuff down pat and it all makes
good common sense, but it's new to me.
*All* the nuts, brass or otherwise, are safety wired. Taking out the
oil probe wasn't nearly as stressful as I imagined - I thought it was
this little fragile thing that would break if I looked at it cross-eyed.
Now, to go fly...
Cheers,
Dan
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> Couple of pix of the tool that I use to get the oil
> plug off with a standard ratchet wrench:
>
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/PA120001.JPG
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/PA120002.JPG
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 14, 2009
Subject: what it looked like landing at Oshkosh Sunday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7HFBg6qFdU
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 14, 2009
Subject: beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH
A Piper Vagabond landing on the green dot on Runway 27 at Oshkosh. (or
near to it)
The controllers will ask you to land on one of several huge colored dots on
the runway for traffic spacing
purposes. It is not uncommon to have two or three airplanes landing on on
e runway at the same time this way.
Mike C.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bsBlVm9eTc
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 14, 2009
Subject: A question for Larry Williams
From: John Fay <jfay1950(at)gmail.com>
Larry,
Could you fill me in about your brakes. Where did you get them, are they as
light as they look, and how well do they work?
John Fay
in Peoria
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 14, 2009
Subject: Re: (no subject)
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
I too am hungry for some info on this, as I couldn't go to the presentation
Lowell made at Brodhead....
If anyone that was there could post the thoughts about this, I too am eager
to devour them...
Mark
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, wrote:
> Pieters,
>
> May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I
> believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me
> off Piet line.
> Thanks
> Corky
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: (no subject)
From: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Hey mark how's it going? Haven't heard from ya in a while. What's news how's things
peogressing?
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:35:40
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
I too am hungry for some info on this, as I couldn't go to the presentation
Lowell made at Brodhead....
If anyone that was there could post the thoughts about this, I too am eager
to devour them...
Mark
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, wrote:
> Pieters,
>
> May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I
> believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me
> off Piet line.
> Thanks
> Corky
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs.
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 14, 2009
Would there be a number of Pietenpol builders that might interested in a crank
extension for a Ford engine ? It will fit the standard 6 degree shaft, prop hub
, standard on all aircraft engines, I have used this extension on all of my
Ford and Funk engines. I will produce this item in a CNC, so the more made ,the
less cost. The thread end, is now a 1-3/8"--18 EFT , Thd.
The weight is 5.5 Lbs, turned from mild steel.
This is a standard design, and is out for bids.
Pieti Lowell
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257735#257735
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/crank_ext_185.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Subject: Re: beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH
From: Bill Princell <weprincell(at)gmail.com>
Hi Jim:
Here are some Oshkosh 2009 U-Tube landings. Thought you might like to see
them.
Bill -
A Piper Vagabond landing on the green dot on Runway 27 at Oshkosh. (or
> near to it)
>
> The controllers will ask you to land on one of several huge colored dots on
> the runway for traffic spacing
> purposes. It is not uncommon to have two or three airplanes landing on
> one runway at the same time this way.
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bsBlVm9eTc
>
> *
> ============================================================*
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Larry Williams-type brakes
Date: Aug 15, 2009
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
John,
There is some good information on this subject found at westcoastpiet.com. Look
under the photos of Santiago Morete. Under his pictures are three Word.docs that
I composed a few years ago. Not the final word, but I think helpful nontheless.
?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Fay <jfay1950(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2009 8:15 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A question for Larry Williams
Larry,
?
Could?you fill me in about your brakes.? Where did you get them, are they as light
as they look, and how well do they work?
?
John Fay
in Peoria
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs.
From: "Will42" <will(at)cctc.net>
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Nice drawing.
What advantage would an extension have; I can easily see that it would add more
costs, more weight and more stress to the, already prone to breakage, crankshaft.
I must be missing something!
Will
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257766#257766
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: what it looked like landing at Oshkosh Sunday
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Watch that video and look at ALL THE GRASS just begging to landed upon
by Pietenpols.....
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: what it looked like landing at Oshkosh Sunday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7HFBg6qFdU
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Larry Williams-type brakes
Date: Aug 15, 2009
John,
I did my best to copy Larry's brake set up, though I have a different drum.
The hook up to the heel brake occurs under the floor board as I have belly
formers that allow room for that. All of the adjusters to the cables are
home-made and I would be happy to send you more info if you wish. I even ran
the anti-rotation rod thru the blocks, like Larry's.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Larry Williams-type brakes
John,
There is some good information on this subject found at westcoastpiet.com.
Look under the photos of Santiago Morete. Under his pictures are three
Word.docs that I composed a few years ago. Not the final word, but I think
helpful nontheless.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Fay <jfay1950(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2009 8:15 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A question for Larry Williams
Larry,
Could you fill me in about your brakes. Where did you get them, are they as
light as they look, and how well do they work?
John Fay
in Peoria
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Ohio Event
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Hey Everyone,
One of our local EAA Chapters contacted me & asked that I post the
following announcement to the list. The site of the event, Clever
Field (PHD), in New Philadelphia, OH is the place where John Glenn
solo'd, BTW. The main runway (14/32) is paved, but if memory serves
me, there is also a grass cross strip (~10/28) as well.
I'll be there showing off some parts of my project & hopefully some
of you have not yet had your fill of summer flying & will be
interested in showing up. Pancake Breakfast starting at ~7am,
Kip Gardner
EAA Chapter 1077 at the New Philadelphia, Ohio airport (Phd) Harry
Clever Field is celebrating the 80th Anniversary of the Pietenpol
Air Camper on Sunday Sept. 6th, 2009.
We are encouraging anyone with a Pietenpol to please attend. This is
a Fund Raiser Pancake Breakfast.
Our Chapter is building a 50' X 70' X 18' high Hangar/Educational
facility starting Sept. 1st. The building itself will be built by
students from the local Buckeye Career Center.
Any questions, please don't hesitate to call me at cell phone
330-340-2999.
Terry Henry
Educational Hangar Chairman
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs.
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Will. Let me put it this way: The crank extension that was designed by The Akron
motor for the Funk served the following functions: It bolted directly to the
end flange of the Ford crank, It allowed any prop hub that fits Cont, Franklin,
Lyc, or aircraft engine to fit or be interchangeable It allows an oil seal
and ball bearing to take the prop thrust developed by the prop during full throttle.It
also saved my forged, counter weighted crank from damage during a prop
strike, It had bent over .125" on impact. It also counter weights that tail
heavy thing I keep hearing about. Ken Perkins moved his Ford forward a longer
distant than the extension's length. You will still need to fasten the prop to
the end of the crank with some sort of attachment, I call it an extension All
engines have them in some form or other. It doesn't add strain on the crank.
it may absorb torsion pulses that a flywheel does, as a heavier hub would My Hamilton
Al. Prop weighed 39 Lbs and worked very well.And very smooth.
If used for thrust it will require a housing to drain oil back to the pan.
If you would like to see an installed unit as I have on my Piet contact me on my
Email , Try to find a good shot of it.
Keep in mind if babbitt is used the thrust bearings are built in if you have inserts,
other thrust surfaces are required.
These are just some advantages.
PIeti Lowell
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257808#257808
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Subject: wood packages
From: Don Rucker <donrucker.ctg(at)gmail.com>
Hi All,
My 14 year-old son and I are at the beginning of our first Piet project. We
have decided to go with the extend fuselage, C - 90 engine, and Riblete 612
airfoil.
I would like to hear thoughts and experiences with wood packages from
Aircraft Spruce.
Thanks,
Don (Swamppilot)
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs.
From: "Will42" <will(at)cctc.net>
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Just bolt a nice light wood prop directly to the flywheel flange (drive spools
added). You or no one else can make an extension that is as strong as the original
"A" set-up is without modifications. Forget the metal prop, Cont, Lyc, Frank
prop hub, extension, thrust bearing and housing. SIMPLE, LIGHT, CHEAP was
the Pietenpol philosophy and should still be.
As far as saving you crank after prop strike; you will splinter wood props until
you go broke replacing them without bending the "A" crank if the prop is mounted
directly to the flywheel flange.
I've seen your extension and housing.
As for e-mailing you; how about if you answer my recent e-mail concerning the Riblett
airfoil?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257813#257813
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: wood packages
From: "Will42" <will(at)cctc.net>
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Save yourself some time, headaches and money; go to Lowes or some such hardware/lumber
dealer and pick through their inventory. you may not find what you want
at the first one; just keep looking.
Will
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257818#257818
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2009
From: "mksoucy(at)yahoo.com" <mksoucy(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Larry Williams-type brakes
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Subject: Gary Boothe's landing gear/brake photos/ wheels and new
Piets on the horizon
Again and again I'm am SO IMPRESSED by the fine workmanship that is coming out
of the newest generations of Pietenpol builders ! To me, in the old days,
the Pietenpols you'd see were generally pretty junky looking and unimpressive to
potential passengers and builders but in the past number of years the
quality of the Pietenpols coming down the construction pike has really set the
bar higher-- giving the design more appeal to new builders and I think a new
sense of pride and 'safer looking' airplanes attracting even more builders to this
type.
Dan Helsper's Piet appears to be a beauty in the making too and I will bet with
Dan's choices of colors he'll attract a younger crowd as it really is a wild
(but to me a very attractive and unique) one. Can't wait to see the newer Piets
at Brodhead next year. Gene Rambo said that he's coming along
nicely with his and might make it next year-- there are several others. Great
stuff-- keep them coming guys !
Mike C.
NX48MC, Old Faithful
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Subject: Re: Gary Boothe's landing gear/brake photos/ wheels and
new Piets on the horizon
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
We are all just trying to build to the high quality standards that you set
with your Pietenpol Mikey. And your video really helped spread the word.
Rick
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] wrote:
> Aerospace Corporation]"
>
>
> Again and again I'm am SO IMPRESSED by the fine workmanship that is coming
> out of the newest generations of Pietenpol builders ! To me, in the old
> days,
> the Pietenpols you'd see were generally pretty junky looking and
> unimpressive to potential passengers and builders but in the past number of
> years the
> quality of the Pietenpols coming down the construction pike has really set
> the bar higher-- giving the design more appeal to new builders and I think a
> new
> sense of pride and 'safer looking' airplanes attracting even more builders
> to this type.
>
> Dan Helsper's Piet appears to be a beauty in the making too and I will bet
> with Dan's choices of colors he'll attract a younger crowd as it really is a
> wild
> (but to me a very attractive and unique) one. Can't wait to see the
> newer Piets at Brodhead next year. Gene Rambo said that he's coming along
> nicely with his and might make it next year-- there are several others.
> Great stuff-- keep them coming guys !
>
> Mike C.
> NX48MC, Old Faithful
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2009
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: wood packages
IMO, the big box stores and most of the local lumber yards will be very unlikely
to have what you want or need. A few years ago I looked at over 240 Douglass
Fir 2 X 12 planks in my local lumber yard and only found one that looked promising.
I rejected it upon closer inspection. I believe such boards in Lowe's
and Home Depot are invariably yellow pine, a wood which weighs more. And they
will be graded for building contruction. For your plane you need better and
straighter grain than you are likely to find there-- it should be quarter sawn
and at least 16 grains per inch.
You would think that with the word "spruce" in its name, the quality of AS&S wood
would be quite good, but others have described quality problems. You can get
good Douglass Fir from a west coast supplier or Sitka Spruce from McCormack
Lumber in Madison, WI., and at cheaper prices.
Here is what Roman Bukolt did, and posted to our site some time back.
From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New guy signs up
I purchased (7) 1 x6 x 20ft. rough cut planks of Sitka spruce from
McCormick Lumber in Madison, Wi. Their quality is good. I chose the
four best ones and had them planed to 3/4" right at the lumber yard,
with Bill Rewey's help. Those will be my wing spars.
I would roughly guess that, the quantity that I bought should be
enough to finish the plane. McCormick Lumber is only 40 mi. north of
Brodhead. Drive up, enjoy the fly-in then go to Madison prior to
returning home. The planks you choose for Spars can be cut just over
14 ft. (before planing) The cut-offs would be just under 6 ft.,
perfect for slicing up for wing rib stick stock.. Cut one other plank
just long enough to get your longerons from. The remaining two planks
can be cut to some convenient length so you wouldn't have to be
hauling any 20 ft. planks home.
Roman Bukolt, Madison, Wi. NX20795
==========
So google McCormack and see what you get. In June I talked with one of the McCormacks
about picking up enough sitka spruce to do a set of wings, when I thought
I would be going to Brodhead in July. He was very knowledgeable and helpful.
They have an excellent reputation.
I just got some plywood from Boulter Plywood in greater Boston. I would recommend
them, too. I talked with the woner, Chris Boulter.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Will42 <will(at)cctc.net>
>Sent: Aug 15, 2009 12:43 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages
>
>
>Save yourself some time, headaches and money; go to Lowes or some such hardware/lumber
dealer and pick through their inventory. you may not find what you want
at the first one; just keep looking.
>
>Will
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257818#257818
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Subject: Re: wood packages
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Don,
Save yourself some time and headaches by not going to the big box stores and
picking through their crap wood. Ordering from ACS is the easiest thing to
do, but is more expensive. Figure out what you need, make a phone call, it
will eventually show up at your door. Otherwise, you could try to find a
quality lumber yard in your area. For example, there's McCormick Lumber in
Madison, WI that is known for having aircraft quality spruce and other wood,
it's just not certified. This means less money, which is always good. Where
are you located?
Ryan
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Will42 wrote:
>
> Save yourself some time, headaches and money; go to Lowes or some such
> hardware/lumber dealer and pick through their inventory. you may not find
> what you want at the first one; just keep looking.
>
> Will
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257818#257818
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2009
From: "mksoucy(at)yahoo.com" <mksoucy(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Carb heat lesson
Flew to millers field in Newburgh ME today for a flyin about 1.3 hrs. The first
hr I so smooth almost threw out the stick but lighter is not always better.
After I got there it got very hot and humid very little wind. Watched 2 champs
take off they did great then I think it was a sedan rolled he was not looking
so good he lifted off but you could tell he did not have full power drifted slighty
at a spot on the runway where crosses a ditch and is not much wider than
the plane it clipped a ten ft bush. Continuning to climb slowly and spewing
a rich mix from the exhaust he cleared the big trees ahead we where told he had
left carb heat on. Wow it was close.
Mike
Sent from my iPod
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: wood packages
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Also try Wick's Aircraft Supplies. I bought most of my spruce from them.
Cheaper and MUCH faster delivery than ASS. Wood quality was excellent.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages
Don,
Save yourself some time and headaches by not going to the big box stores and
picking through their crap wood. Ordering from ACS is the easiest thing to
do, but is more expensive. Figure out what you need, make a phone call, it
will eventually show up at your door. Otherwise, you could try to find a
quality lumber yard in your area. For example, there's McCormick Lumber in
Madison, WI that is known for having aircraft quality spruce and other wood,
it's just not certified. This means less money, which is always good. Where
are you located?
Ryan
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Will42 wrote:
Save yourself some time, headaches and money; go to Lowes or some such
hardware/lumber dealer and pick through their inventory. you may not find
what you want at the first one; just keep looking.
Will
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Gary Boothe's landing gear/brake photos/ wheels and
new Piets on the horizon
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Amen to that!
You guys have solved a lot of the questions. I'm just copying. The day will
come when a guy can build a top-notch Piet in 30 days! ;-)
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
_____
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gary Boothe's landing gear/brake photos/ wheels
and new Piets on the horizon
We are all just trying to build to the high quality standards that you set
with your Pietenpol Mikey. And your video really helped spread the word.
Rick
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] wrote:
Aerospace Corporation]"
Again and again I'm am SO IMPRESSED by the fine workmanship that is coming
out of the newest generations of Pietenpol builders ! To me, in the old
days,
the Pietenpols you'd see were generally pretty junky looking and
unimpressive to potential passengers and builders but in the past number of
years the
quality of the Pietenpols coming down the construction pike has really set
the bar higher-- giving the design more appeal to new builders and I think a
new
sense of pride and 'safer looking' airplanes attracting even more builders
to this type.
Dan Helsper's Piet appears to be a beauty in the making too and I will bet
with Dan's choices of colors he'll attract a younger crowd as it really is a
wild
(but to me a very attractive and unique) one. Can't wait to see the newer
Piets at Brodhead next year. Gene Rambo said that he's coming along
nicely with his and might make it next year-- there are several others.
Great stuff-- keep them coming guys !
Mike C.
NX48MC, Old Faithful
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: wood packages
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Will,
Just goes to show...a man with two watches never knows what time it is.
Someone mentioned 16 rings/inch. AC41.13 says 6 rings/inch, minimum. I
purchased all the wood (Poplar) thru a local supplier for under $300,
although I did buy a few Poplar boards from Lowe's; true, I had to look at a
lot of pieces. Obviously, plywood is not in that total.
Your mileage may vary.....
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Will42
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 10:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages
Save yourself some time, headaches and money; go to Lowes or some such
hardware/lumber dealer and pick through their inventory. you may not find
what you want at the first one; just keep looking.
Will
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Date: Aug 15, 2009
From: jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: wood packages
hi Im jorge from hanford and i jave very hart time to get a wood from spruc
e the tail saction cosmy 260 but the shiping costmy 160 so realy I need dif
erent sourse fro spruce wood you have some mail from that wicks company tan
ks
--- On Sat, 8/15/09, Jack Phillips wrote:
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Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages
Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 1:23 PM
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Date: Aug 15, 2009
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: wood packages
You are right, sorry for the misinformation.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
>Sent: Aug 15, 2009 3:36 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages
>
>
>Will,
>
>Just goes to show...a man with two watches never knows what time it is.
>
>Someone mentioned 16 rings/inch. AC41.13 says 6 rings/inch, minimum. I
>purchased all the wood (Poplar) thru a local supplier for under $300,
>although I did buy a few Poplar boards from Lowe's; true, I had to look at a
>lot of pieces. Obviously, plywood is not in that total.
>
>Your mileage may vary.....
>
>Gary Boothe
>Cool, Ca.
>Pietenpol
>WW Corvair Conversion
>Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>(13 ribs down.)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Will42
>Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 10:43 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages
>
>
>Save yourself some time, headaches and money; go to Lowes or some such
>hardware/lumber dealer and pick through their inventory. you may not find
>what you want at the first one; just keep looking.
>
>Will
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257818#257818
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: A65 to A75 swap
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Howdy, Pieters;
I got the cowlings fitted back onto the engine, confident
that there are no more leaks or loose things ahead of the
firewall. I snipped out a new opening for the oil filler/
dipstick and will fit the edge of that with some of the
same trim material that Corky used on the other cowling
openings.
The airplane flies MUCH better with cowlings back on, and
performs like I'm used to having it perform, except with
much more power. I am really happy with the additional
10 HP and the smoothness of the rebuilt engine. There is
much less 'buzz' in the seat of the pants, less shaking
of the cowlings and windscreens, less vibration in general.
Jeff and Doug are really good at balancing these engines
and I'm the benefactor of their overhaul/rebuild efforts.
I know my tach reads low but I don't have an optical tach
at the moment so the following numbers are probably low on
the RPM. Static runup on the ground with the Culver prop
is 2475 (and it starts to drag the brakes, which the 65
could never do). In level cruise at 3500 ft. and about 80F
at that altitude, the cruise airspeed was just a tad higher
at 72 MPH with 2600 RPM showing, but much smoother.
Climb is very strong, although I didn't believe the VSI
which was showing 1200-1500 FPM for awhile. The 75 seems
to be a good match for the airplane but needs a bit more
watching than the 65... I tend to overspeed the engine
at times and the airspeed runs away from me much easier if
I drop the nose.
Oil pressure is still fabulous, at about 42 psi at cruise,
with oil temp hovering around 180F but it did creep up to
about 190 after I climbed out after fueling at Castroville.
That's the highest I've ever seen on the oil temp gauge,
but to be expected until the rings and cylinders smooth out.
I think the mixture is a bit rich... I didn't touch anything
on the overhauled Stromberg... just mounted it, hooked up,
started up, and ran. Got a bit of stumbling at low speed
taxi and low power settings, and a bit of a stumble when
checking mags at Castroville. Deanie Montgomery knows how
to set these carbs up but I think I need to adjust the
mixture a bit. I now have 1.54 hrs. on the new engine and
only about 3-1/2 to go till testing is over.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: cowling metal gauges
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Closed circuit for Raymond Hanover: I checked the metal
thickness on my cooling eyebrows and engine cowlings. All
are .025" aluminum. Cowlings have stiffeners at the hinge
joints and a few other stiffeners, but they are pretty
solid just like that. Probably no need to go to heavier
material.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: Re: wood packages
Date: Aug 15, 2009
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Do NOT go to Lowes, Home Depot or any other store close to these. Buy aircraft
quality spruce from Aircraft Spruce, Wicks, or some other local source. This is
the gold standard and it will be perfectly straight/true. You will not be sorry
in the long run. Wait, save, and then buy.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
-----Original Message-----
From: Will42 <will(at)cctc.net>
Sent: Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:43 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages
Save yourself some time, headaches and money; go to Lowes or some such
hardware/lumber dealer and pick through their inventory. you may not find what
you want at the first one; just keep looking.
Will
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From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net>
Subject: Re: A65 to A75 swap
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Congratulations on getting your new A 75 up and running. I'm sure you do
notice the extra 10 hp. It does sound like your old A 65 was a real dog
with all the shaking and vibrations you've reported. Just so other builders
don't get the wrong idea about the A 65, I'd like to report that I
experience none of the problems you've reported. With my 76 X 38 prop it
climbs well, cruises between 72 and 74 mph at 2150 rpm and if I put the nose
down with power on it will reach VNE very quickly.
Having said all that, would I like 10 more horses to use on a real hot
summer day? You bet! (but only if I can get the same fuel rate). I'll be
watching for more of your excellent reports as you get the engine broken in.
Gene N502R
A 65
Jay Anderson prop
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 5:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A65 to A75 swap
>
>
> Howdy, Pieters;
>
> I got the cowlings fitted back onto the engine, confident
> that there are no more leaks or loose things ahead of the
> firewall. I snipped out a new opening for the oil filler/
> dipstick and will fit the edge of that with some of the
> same trim material that Corky used on the other cowling
> openings.
>
> The airplane flies MUCH better with cowlings back on, and
> performs like I'm used to having it perform, except with
> much more power. I am really happy with the additional
> 10 HP and the smoothness of the rebuilt engine. There is
> much less 'buzz' in the seat of the pants, less shaking
> of the cowlings and windscreens, less vibration in general.
> Jeff and Doug are really good at balancing these engines
> and I'm the benefactor of their overhaul/rebuild efforts.
>
> I know my tach reads low but I don't have an optical tach
> at the moment so the following numbers are probably low on
> the RPM. Static runup on the ground with the Culver prop
> is 2475 (and it starts to drag the brakes, which the 65
> could never do). In level cruise at 3500 ft. and about 80F
> at that altitude, the cruise airspeed was just a tad higher
> at 72 MPH with 2600 RPM showing, but much smoother.
> Climb is very strong, although I didn't believe the VSI
> which was showing 1200-1500 FPM for awhile. The 75 seems
> to be a good match for the airplane but needs a bit more
> watching than the 65... I tend to overspeed the engine
> at times and the airspeed runs away from me much easier if
> I drop the nose.
>
> Oil pressure is still fabulous, at about 42 psi at cruise,
> with oil temp hovering around 180F but it did creep up to
> about 190 after I climbed out after fueling at Castroville.
> That's the highest I've ever seen on the oil temp gauge,
> but to be expected until the rings and cylinders smooth out.
>
> I think the mixture is a bit rich... I didn't touch anything
> on the overhauled Stromberg... just mounted it, hooked up,
> started up, and ran. Got a bit of stumbling at low speed
> taxi and low power settings, and a bit of a stumble when
> checking mags at Castroville. Deanie Montgomery knows how
> to set these carbs up but I think I need to adjust the
> mixture a bit. I now have 1.54 hrs. on the new engine and
> only about 3-1/2 to go till testing is over.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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From: VAHOWDY(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Subject: Re: wood packages
It's worth the look to check out your local lumber company. I found the
larger boards 2x12x20 or 22 with the best spruce. I did have to look thru a
whole bundle to find two boards that had large sections of clear lumber.
Howdy
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: nicely finished Piets
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Let me start by saying that Mike Cuy's video has every bit
as inspirational to me as it has been to any of you, and his
airplane is a sterling example of the marque. Now let me
spar a bit with Mikee about his comments.
My airplane was initially a very nicely finished Piet, but
nowadays it is simply a sturdy, reliable, fun flyer. I would
never put it up for judging because it wouldn't win anything.
It has looks that appeal to some people, but not a majority.
Most modern pilots see it as an anachronism, a simplistic
means of getting in the air, and a bit of a cranky airplane
in that it requires hand-propping, has no electrical system,
has an open cockpit, is not padded and cushy, has no radios,
is a taildragger, has a control stick, and when you sit in it
you get the impression that it is an antique and a bit delicate.
The thing is, my feeling is that it is far better to have an
airplane that is simple and reliable than it is to have one
that is polished and sophisticated. I let kids climb in and
when their parents tell the kids not to touch anything, I tell
them there is nothing they can hurt in my airplane. I want the
kids to enjoy it. The paint has scratches, the fabric has
scuffs, there is oil mist and dust here and there, drips and
stains on the fabric, but to me that is part of the charm and
warmth of the airplane and it makes it much easier for me to
enjoy flying it rather than spending time polishing and
primping it.
The paint job is imprecise, colors don't match perfectly
where I've made repairs, and the paint scheme is an early
Army Air Corps military style. It appeals to a fairly
narrow group of people, but to me it places the airplane in
its milieu. The Air Camper will never look right with a
chrome and pearlescent scheme, in my mind. It will never
be at home with carbon fiber and microelectronics. It is
what it is, and I think that's part of the attraction to the
type of people who associate themselves with it. Not that I
don't want to have the airplane continue to grow in popularily,
but I don't want people to "pimp my ride" to make it popular,
if you know what I mean.
Nothing personal, Mikee... just a bit of a difference of
opinion. There is still something appealing about a simple
Piet with a red barn fuselage and silver or white wings...
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net>
Subject: Re: wood packages
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Dan, I don't know about other Lowe's but here in Tennessee I have a hard
time finding a straight 2 X 4 I'd use in rebuilding my old shop, let
alone something I'd want in my plane!
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages
Do NOT go to Lowes, Home Depot or any other store close to these. Buy
aircraft quality spruce from Aircraft Spruce, Wicks, or some other local
source. This is the gold standard and it will be perfectly
straight/true. You will not be sorry in the long run. Wait, save, and
then buy.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
-----Original Message-----
From: Will42 <will(at)cctc.net>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:43 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages
Save yourself some time, headaches and money; go to Lowes or some such
hardware/lumber dealer and pick through their inventory. you may not
find what
you want at the first one; just keep looking.
Will
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Date: Aug 15, 2009
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: wood packages
I bought the AS&S wood kit for the Piet and I really liked it.- It wasnt'
cheap at all and I had to wait a little while for it, but the quality was
very good and it had plenty to do most of the plane.- I had already bough
t materials for the ribs and I made the turtle deck from popular I had on h
and.- I think if I had it to do over again I'd do it the same way.- It'
s just easier than sourcing it elsewhere and sizing it, but you'll pay for
the convenience.-
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
--- On Sat, 8/15/09, Tim Willis wrote:
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages
Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 2:26 PM
et>
You are right, sorry for the misinformation.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
>Sent: Aug 15, 2009 3:36 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages
>
>
>Will,
>
>Just goes to show...a man with two watches never knows what time it is.
>
>Someone mentioned 16 rings/inch. AC41.13 says 6 rings/inch, minimum. I
>purchased all the wood (Poplar) thru a local supplier for under $300,
>although I did buy a few Poplar boards from Lowe's; true, I had to look at
a
>lot of pieces. Obviously, plywood is not in that total.
>
>Your mileage may vary.....
>
>Gary Boothe
>Cool, Ca.
>Pietenpol
>WW Corvair Conversion
>Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>(13 ribs down.)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Will42
>Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 10:43 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages
>
>
>Save yourself some time, headaches and money; go to Lowes or some such
>hardware/lumber dealer and pick through their inventory. you may not find
>what you want at the first one; just keep looking.
>
>Will
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257818#257818
>
>
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From: Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Subject: Re: nicely finished Piets
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Oscar,
The following sounds perfect to me:
"Most modern pilots see it as an anachronism, a simplistic means of
getting in the air, and a bit of a cranky airplane
in that it requires hand-propping, has no electrical system, has an
open cockpit, is not padded and cushy, has no radios, is a
taildragger, has a control stick, and when you sit in it you get the
impression that it is an antique and a bit delicate."
But I guess I'm not the majority, which is just fine with me. :)
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2009
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: taking the project outside
Sometimes it's fun to take the project outside and bolt it together.- I m
ade up some mock up struts and hung the wings.- Actually I had it out so
that a local paper could do an article on it.- Hopefully that comes out w
ell,... you never know.- A man driving by even stopped in to take a look
and talk airplanes.- It made for a fun morning.-
I've attached some pictures.-
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
=0A=0A=0A
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Subject: nicely finished Piets
Nothing wrong with a rode-hard and put away wet Pietenpol at all in fact some of
my favorite airplanes are the dented
and faded planes at the Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome. Being glossy with chrome has
nothing to do with the safety and quality of
an airplane if the guts are made of home Depot lumber and Elmer's glue. I think
what I was saying is that some of the Pietenpols
that I saw early on in the late 80's when I first got into this deal looked downright
dangerous and the workmanship was that
of a 6th or 7th grade shop student who still was using a hand saw and not sanding
out the saw marks. I wouldn't let my ex wife
ride in one of those airplanes and that, in my opinion, give the airplane a bad
reputation--in general and thus the reason for my
taking pleasure in seeing the overall quality of workmanship keep getting better
and better in the Piet world.
Now go get your plane in shape for the 90th Anniversary Oscar when we'll be hobbling
around a bit more and talking about what
prescriptions we are on and how this aches and that hurts. After all, I don't
want my plane parked next to just any old heap:)))
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: taking the project outside
Date: Aug 15, 2009
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Mike,
I really enjoyed looking at your photos. Very fine work from what I can see. A
very peaceful setting to be sure. Looks like you will be flying very soon. Good
luck, and hope? to see you and your airplane at Oshkosh next year.
Dann Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:19 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: taking the project outside
Sometimes it's fun to take the project outside and bolt it together.? I made up
some mock up struts and hung the wings.? Actually I had it out so that a local
paper could do an article on it.? Hopefully that comes out well,... you never
know.? A man driving by even stopped in to take a look and talk airplanes.?
It made for a fun morning.?
I've attached some pictures.?
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
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Date: Aug 15, 2009
From: <r.r.hall(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: wood packages
I bought several boards at a local lumber yard. They let me pick through thier
douglas fir until I found what I wanted. Just be sure you know what you are looking
for. One thing I haven't found is Sitka Spruce at any local lumber yards
or anyplace else.. Buying it from Aircraft Spruce might speed up the build as
you won't have to cut as much. As with everything else it is a trade off.
Rodney Hall
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Subject: taking the project outside
VERY cool Mike Groah !!!!!!!! BEauuuuutiful !!!!!!!!!!
What's that funny looking engine though you have on the front ? :))
Seriously-- looking good. Love wire wheels, love the wing CC cutout and handle,
love the wood gear. Nice windshields too. Good looking family. You're
the right age to be building too-- never too soon, also--never too late.
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From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: taking the project outside
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Looking great, Mike!
Jack phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Groah
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: taking the project outside
Sometimes it's fun to take the project outside and bolt it together. I made
up some mock up struts and hung the wings. Actually I had it out so that a
local paper could do an article on it. Hopefully that comes out well,...
you never know. A man driving by even stopped in to take a look and talk
airplanes. It made for a fun morning.
I've attached some pictures.
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
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Subject: Re: taking the project outside
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net>
Date: Aug 15, 2009
I am very envious of your project. I hope to be where you are in a year! Looks
great. Get'er flying.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257917#257917
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Date: Aug 15, 2009
From: jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: taking the project outside, exelente
hi mike i wish my proyect loocks like you museum pice but is bery far from
you and alot bigaing kepgoin you almost fell the wing in you face seyou nex
jorge fromhanfort
--- On Sat, 8/15/09, Michael Groah wrote:
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: taking the project outside
Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 6:19 PM
Sometimes it's fun to take the project outside and bolt it together.- I m
ade up some mock up struts and hung the wings.- Actually I had it out so
that a local paper could do an article on it.- Hopefully that comes out w
ell,... you never know.- A man driving by even stopped in to take a look
and talk airplanes.- It made for a fun morning.-
I've attached some pictures.-
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A
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From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com>
Subject: taking the project outside
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Looks nice Mike - I'm hoping to be near this stage next summer. Time will
tell.
Tom B.
Date: Sat=2C 15 Aug 2009 18:19:38 -0700
From: dskogrover(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: taking the project outside
Sometimes it's fun to take the project outside and bolt it together. I mad
e up some mock up struts and hung the wings. Actually I had it out so that
a local paper could do an article on it. Hopefully that comes out well=2C
... you never know. A man driving by even stopped in to take a look and ta
lk airplanes. It made for a fun morning.
I've attached some pictures.
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
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Date: Aug 15, 2009
From: "mksoucy(at)yahoo.com" <mksoucy(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: nicely finished Piets
It was those poorly built piets that helped the reputation by holding together
for years and lots of times on rough strips proved the design.
Mike
Sent from my iPod
On Aug 15, 2009, at 9:29 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
wrote:
Nothing wrong with a rode-hard and put away wet Pietenpol at all in fact some of
my favorite airplanes are the dented
and faded planes at the Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome. Being glossy with chrome has
nothing to do with the safety and quality of
an airplane if the guts are made of home Depot lumber and Elmer's glue. I think
what I was saying is that some of the Pietenpols
that I saw early on in the late 80's when I first got into this deal looked downright
dangerous and the workmanship was that
of a 6th or 7th grade shop student who still was using a hand saw and not sanding
out the saw marks. I wouldn't let my ex wife
ride in one of those airplanes and that, in my opinion, give the airplane a bad
reputation--in general and thus the reason for my
taking pleasure in seeing the overall quality of workmanship keep getting better
and better in the Piet world.
Now go get your plane in shape for the 90th Anniversary Oscar when we'll be hobbling
around a bit more and talking about what
prescriptions we are on and how this aches and that hurts. After all, I don't
want my plane parked next to just any old heap:)))
Mike C.
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Date: Aug 15, 2009
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: taking the project outside
Thanks for all the positive comments.- It's nice to have the ego stroked
once in awhile.-
My plane is far from perfect and I've seen pictures of so many that look li
ke fine furniture everywhere.- My philosophy is that first off it needs t
o be strong and safe... second is looks.- I also decided that it only nee
ds to look good where it will show once covered.- All of my wing structur
e is sealed with epoxy varnish but just to seal it from the elements, not t
o look good as it all gets covered up.- I'll spend a little time making t
he inside of the cockpit look good since it will show I'll have to see that
every time I get in.- I'm looking forward to flying this thing with some
of the other Piets one of these days.-
(yes Mike Cuy that's one of those silly Corvairs hanging on the front.- I
like to do things the hard way and a lot of my students did the prep work
on the engine, but I did the final assembly over the summer)
(Gary Boothe I'll see you at the West Coast Piet builders gathering)
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: Re: taking the project outside
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Very cool.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257949#257949
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Date: Aug 16, 2009
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly
do so.
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: William E RICHARDSON <ainslierich(at)msn.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:32:51 PM
Subject: Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly do so.
> : I
> was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly do
> so.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>WHEN
> A SOLDIER COMES HOME
>This
> email is being circulated around the world -
> please keep it going.
>
>
>When
> a soldier comes home, he finds it
> hard....
>
>
>....to
> listen to his son whine about being
> bored.
>
>
>....to
> keep a straight face when people complain about
> potholes.
>
>
>
>....to
> be tolerant of people who
> complain
>about
> the hassle of getting ready for
> work.
>
>
>
>
>....to
> be understanding when a co-worker complains about a bad night's
> sleep.
>
>
>....to
> be silent when people pray to
> God
> for a new car.
>
>
>
>
>....to
> control his panic when his wife tells him he needs to drive
> slower.
>
>
>
>
>
>....to
> be compassionate when a businessman expresses a fear of
> flying.
>
>
>....to
> keep from laughing when anxious parents
> say
>they're
> afraid to send their kids off to summer
> camp.
>
>
>
>....to
> keep from ridiculing someone who complains about hot
> weather.
>
>
>....to
> control his frustration when a colleague gripes about his coffee
> being cold.
>
>
>
>....to
> remain calm when his daughter complains about having to walk the
> dog.
>
>
>....to
> be civil to people who complain about their jobs.<
> /span>
>
>
>....to
> just walk away when someone says
> they
>only
> get two weeks of vacation a year.
>
>
>
>....to
> be forgiving when someone says
> how
>hard
> it is to have a new baby in the house.
>
>
>
>The
> only thing harder than being a Soldier....
>
>
>
>Is
> loving one.
>
>
>
>I
> was asked to pass this on and I will gladly do
> so.
>
>Will
> you???
>
>
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Date: Aug 16, 2009
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: taking the project outside
I'm no historian but my recollection is that the Pavliga piet was the first
that was made to a higher standard of finish. I recall a few new ships in
that era that were not too pretty but seemed to serve their purpose. Funny
but none of those seem to show up anymore. Might have something to do with
making something worthwhile rather than just scratching the itch.
-
On the other hand there have been a few museum-quality Piets that are so pe
rfect that the builder is-hesitant to fly it for fear of a ding or the da
unting task of dusting it off after the flight. No fun there.
-
Yep, Frank P. Sr. did a whole lot with his talents. Building an icon with h
is son and publishing the REAL BPANewsletter for years is still netting res
ults. Grant MacLaren is another giant in the Pietenpol progression whose ef
forts have raised the bar. Both are missed (at least by me).
-
The end result seems to be more and much better Air Campers for the world t
o enjoy.
-
BTW, I put a new carb on my A and the cruise picked up 2-3 mph. My new head
is in the mail!!!- Can't wait. Problem is, as soon as I can keep up with
the C-65 crowd, they all go to 75's and 85's and even 0-200's. Is this som
e kind of conspiracy??
-
"Grab your courage everybody 'cause this is flying weather".
-
Larry W. xcg, xcmr, epp=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: Re: Gary Boothe's landing gear/brake photos/ wheels and
new Piets on the horizon
From: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 16, 2009
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Subject: Re: wood packages
From: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 16, 2009
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________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: nicely finished Piets
From: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 16, 2009
During my travels I have always sought out builders and projects. I wanted to see
and learn from their work. Another of us builders had started that tradition
and I am proud to call him my friend.
On day we were both traveling and in the same area at the same time. I had arranged
to see a project at one of the near airports. My friend decided to join me(invite
himself) on the visit.
The builder showed us a fuse that was sitting in an obscure part of the hangar.
When our host was out of earshot my friend said " I came all the way here to
see this piece of shit" words I remember and use to motivate me to do better to
spend the extra hours to try to build better than I am capable of. I never want
anyone to say that about my project especially if I can do better.
Fortunately that wan not the work of our host just some guy who did poor work and
not capable or motivated to do better.
The work of our host was impeccable for which we were both happy to see.
I realize that the Piet I build is my Piet and I am building it for me but I would
prefer call it a nice build rather than a piece of shit.
Btwi that friend of mine frequents and posts to this board as a frequent and well
respected member of our community.
John
------Original Message------
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: Aug 15, 2009 9:29 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: nicely finished Piets
Nothing wrong with a rode-hard and put away wet Pietenpol at all in fact some of
my favorite airplanes are the dented
and faded planes at the Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome. Being glossy with chrome has
nothing to do with the safety and quality of
an airplane if the guts are made of home Depot lumber and Elmer's glue. I think
what I was saying is that some of the Pietenpols
that I saw early on in the late 80's when I first got into this deal looked downright
dangerous and the workmanship was that
of a 6th or 7th grade shop student who still was using a hand saw and not sanding
out the saw marks. I wouldn't let my ex wife
ride in one of those airplanes and that, in my opinion, give the airplane a bad
reputation--in general and thus the reason for my
taking pleasure in seeing the overall quality of workmanship keep getting better
and better in the Piet world.
Now go get your plane in shape for the 90th Anniversary Oscar when we'll be hobbling
around a bit more and talking about what
prescriptions we are on and how this aches and that hurts. After all, I don't
want my plane parked next to just any old heap:)))
Mike C.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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Date: Aug 16, 2009
Subject: Re: Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly
do so.
From: Max Hegler <MaxHegler(at)msn.com>
On 8/16/09 6:47 AM, "airlion" wrote:
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> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> From: William E RICHARDSON <ainslierich(at)msn.com>
> To: Ann & Jay ; Bob Welch ; Dick
> Bunker ; Bud Breault
> ; bud coward ;
> Dave Chamberlain ; Dick Caldwell
> ; Frank Adley ; Gardiner Mason
> ; Gary Banks ; George Rawlinson
> ; Pete Rawlinson ; Phil
> Riter ; Sir Richard Epton ; heath
> marsden ; joe richardson ; LuLu
> Richardson-Kramer ; Mike Tenney ;
> Paul Rood ; Rick King ; Steve Adams
> ; "McAuliffe, Wayne -W"
> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:32:51 PM
> Subject: Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly do so.
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>> This email is being circulated around the world - please keep it
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>> sleep.
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>> only get two weeks of vacation a year.
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Date: Aug 16, 2009
Subject: Re: Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly
do so.
From: Max Hegler <MaxHegler(at)msn.com>
On 8/16/09 6:47 AM, "airlion" wrote:
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> From: William E RICHARDSON <ainslierich(at)msn.com>
> To: Ann & Jay ; Bob Welch ; Dick
> Bunker ; Bud Breault
> ; bud coward ;
> Dave Chamberlain ; Dick Caldwell
> ; Frank Adley ; Gardiner Mason
> ; Gary Banks ; George Rawlinson
> ; Pete Rawlinson ; Phil
> Riter ; Sir Richard Epton ; heath
> marsden ; joe richardson ; LuLu
> Richardson-Kramer ; Mike Tenney ;
> Paul Rood ; Rick King ; Steve Adams
> ; "McAuliffe, Wayne -W"
> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:32:51 PM
> Subject: Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly do so.
>
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>> WHEN A SOLDIER COMES HOME
>> This email is being circulated around the world - please keep it
>> going.
>>
>>
>> When a soldier comes home, he finds it hard....
>>
>>
>> ....to listen to his son whine about being bored.
>>
>>
>> ....to keep a straight face when people complain about potholes.
>>
>>
>>
>> ....to be tolerant of people who complain
>> about the hassle of getting ready for work.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ....to be understanding when a co-worker complains about a bad night's
>> sleep.
>>
>>
>> ....to be silent when people pray to God for a new car.
>>
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>>
>> ....to control his panic when his wife tells him he needs to drive
>> slower.
>>
>>
>>
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>> ....to be compassionate when a businessman expresses a fear of flying.
>>
>>
>> ....to keep from laughing when anxious parents say
>> they're afraid to send their kids off to summer camp.
>>
>>
>>
>> ....to keep from ridiculing someone who complains about hot weather.
>>
>>
>>
>> ....to control his frustration when a colleague gripes about his coffee
>> being cold.
>>
>>
>>
>> ....to remain calm when his daughter complains about having to walk the
>> dog.
>>
>>
>>
>> ....to be civil to people who complain about their jobs.< /span>
>>
>>
>>
>> ....to just walk away when someone says they
>> only get two weeks of vacation a year.
>>
>>
>>
>> ....to be forgiving when someone says how
>> hard it is to have a new baby in the house.
>>
>>
>> The only thing harder than being a Soldier....
>>
>>
>> Is loving one.
>>
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>> I was asked to pass this on and I will gladly do so.
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Date: Aug 16, 2009
Subject: Re: Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly
do so.
From: Max Hegler <MaxHegler(at)msn.com>
Double oops...
Having participated in every conflict beginning with Vietnam, I appreciated
the support the troops are receiving from mainstream America. That being
said, I believe this type of emails should be sent to all your friends if
you choose to do so, but left off users groups like this one.
Take Care,
Max
On 8/16/09 6:47 AM, "airlion" wrote:
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> From: William E RICHARDSON <ainslierich(at)msn.com>
> To: Ann & Jay ; Bob Welch ; Dick
> Bunker ; Bud Breault
> ; bud coward ;
> Dave Chamberlain ; Dick Caldwell
> ; Frank Adley ; Gardiner Mason
> ; Gary Banks ; George Rawlinson
> ; Pete Rawlinson ; Phil
> Riter ; Sir Richard Epton ; heath
> marsden ; joe richardson ; LuLu
> Richardson-Kramer ; Mike Tenney ;
> Paul Rood ; Rick King ; Steve Adams
> ; "McAuliffe, Wayne -W"
> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:32:51 PM
> Subject: Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly do so.
>
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>>
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>> WHEN A SOLDIER COMES HOME
>> This email is being circulated around the world - please keep it
>> going.
>>
>>
>> When a soldier comes home, he finds it hard....
>>
>>
>> ....to listen to his son whine about being bored.
>>
>>
>> ....to keep a straight face when people complain about potholes.
>>
>>
>>
>> ....to be tolerant of people who complain
>> about the hassle of getting ready for work.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ....to be understanding when a co-worker complains about a bad night's
>> sleep.
>>
>>
>> ....to be silent when people pray to God for a new car.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ....to control his panic when his wife tells him he needs to drive
>> slower.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ....to be compassionate when a businessman expresses a fear of flying.
>>
>>
>> ....to keep from laughing when anxious parents say
>> they're afraid to send their kids off to summer camp.
>>
>>
>>
>> ....to keep from ridiculing someone who complains about hot weather.
>>
>>
>>
>> ....to control his frustration when a colleague gripes about his coffee
>> being cold.
>>
>>
>>
>> ....to remain calm when his daughter complains about having to walk the
>> dog.
>>
>>
>>
>> ....to be civil to people who complain about their jobs.< /span>
>>
>>
>>
>> ....to just walk away when someone says they
>> only get two weeks of vacation a year.
>>
>>
>>
>> ....to be forgiving when someone says how
>> hard it is to have a new baby in the house.
>>
>>
>> The only thing harder than being a Soldier....
>>
>>
>> Is loving one.
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>> I was asked to pass this on and I will gladly do so.
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From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: nicely finished Piets
Date: Aug 16, 2009
Just to clear one thing up: I'm not in favor of sloppy
building, hurried construction, lack of attention to
detail, and most of all not in favor of unsafe or
dime-store materials on airplanes. I'm also not in
favor of lowering the standards just to get more
airplanes in the air. Not at all.
They say that the best way to train people to recognize
counterfeit money is not to have them examine lots of
different examples of "funny money" but to give them
fresh, real currency and let them familiarize themselves
with the look, feel, and smell of the real thing.
Go look at, touch, smell, and take careful notice of
Mike Cuy's, Greg Cardinal's, Jack Phillips', Don Emch's,
and similar airplanes and you will get a feel for what
a real Piet is. From there, you will easily be able to
spot the counterfeits. In fact, the bad and the ugly
ones will almost jump out at you as you examine the
fittings, fabric work, and other construction details.
Then there's the lesson my calculus teacher gave us.
In explaining the concept of 'dx' and how fine an
increment must be taken as the increment dx approaches
infinity, he pointed out that there is also the matter
of practicality. He used the example of approaching
a young lady to give her a kiss. If one approaches by
half the remaining distance with each attempt, in theory
one will never actually get to the young lady. But, his
point was, you will be close enough for all practical
purposes. So it is with the fit and finish of Air Camper
41CC: close enough for all practical purposes.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Date: Aug 16, 2009
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: nicely finished Piets-- still WIP here-- help?
The Piet here is still a work in process, but speaking of finish... the under surface
of the center wing?
As many Piets as I have seen, I should be able to answer this, but I don't think
that I have ever looked at this surface. The plans call for a thin sheet of
plywood for the bottom of the center wing. How are you all finishing that?
Are you covering in fabric, painting it, or what?
I have varnish on my plywood already-- both sides-- to seal it from moisture, etc.
If I decide I want to paint it, say with spray Krylon, do you think that
would be appropriate; e.g., will it stick, if first sanded and primered? (The
varnish is glossy Ace spar varnish.) I know to try only a little spot, but I
am looking for opinions first. Have I screwed up putting on the varnish, if
paint is the final finish?
And what about finish and materials for the rest of the center wing? I am going
to have a flop and a baggage compartment. The lid for the baggage compartment
will be aluminum (not yet installed). I know how to finish that. For the
rest, I have a plywood leading edge that actually goes from the top of the front
spar to its bottom, and it is varnished. I am thinking of using similar 1.5
mm ply for the other surfaces on the center wing (the flop and the stubs), for
they will get some handling and maybe some beating up. While I'd love to make
my plane look like Dick Navritil's, an all-wood look, in fact most of it will
be painted a light color (TX sun).
(BTW, I know that if I head toward fabric on any of this, if using Polyfiber finishes,
I should likely put epoxy varnish on anything that the Poly processes
will touch. I have already done that to the ribs.)
Thanks,
Tim in central TX
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Subject: Re: nicely finished Piets
From: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 16, 2009
Oscar
I think the thread has gone a miss. There is a definitive difference between a
proven classic and wisdom wrinkles and slipshod workmanship and substandard
materials. One has earned its place; and for the other, there is no place in
aviation.
I suspect we can all agree on that point and from your posts I doubt anyone would
or could accuse you of poor quality materials or workmanship. That is with
the exception or fools that have not had the pleasure of reading your posts.
John
------Original Message------
From: Oscar Zuniga
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: Aug 16, 2009 12:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: nicely finished Piets
Just to clear one thing up: I'm not in favor of sloppy
building, hurried construction, lack of attention to
detail, and most of all not in favor of unsafe or
dime-store materials on airplanes. I'm also not in
favor of lowering the standards just to get more
airplanes in the air. Not at all.
They say that the best way to train people to recognize
counterfeit money is not to have them examine lots of
different examples of "funny money" but to give them
fresh, real currency and let them familiarize themselves
with the look, feel, and smell of the real thing.
Go look at, touch, smell, and take careful notice of
Mike Cuy's, Greg Cardinal's, Jack Phillips', Don Emch's,
and similar airplanes and you will get a feel for what
a real Piet is. From there, you will easily be able to
spot the counterfeits. In fact, the bad and the ugly
ones will almost jump out at you as you examine the
fittings, fabric work, and other construction details.
Then there's the lesson my calculus teacher gave us.
In explaining the concept of 'dx' and how fine an
increment must be taken as the increment dx approaches
infinity, he pointed out that there is also the matter
of practicality. He used the example of approaching
a young lady to give her a kiss. If one approaches by
half the remaining distance with each attempt, in theory
one will never actually get to the young lady. But, his
point was, you will be close enough for all practical
purposes. So it is with the fit and finish of Air Camper
41CC: close enough for all practical purposes.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 16, 2009
Subject: wing CC bottom material/covering
Tim-- I sheathed my wing CC in 1/8" birch plywood and it has held up well to the
tents, sleeping bag, oil, rags, and such that I've put in there on
trips over the year---including a nice folding chair.
I did the basic center section but cut out the center rib for storage--I left
the backbone of the bottom of the CC rib bottom in the CC to help glue the
1/8" birch plywood and keep it's shape but otherwise--cut the thing out for storage
purposes just like you would do if you were putting a fuel tank up there.
Mike C
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 16, 2009
Subject: John Recine's 0-235 engine tear down update
That sounds like very good news John about your engine and I think with today's
pilot and passenger weights that the 0-235 (approx 108 hp) would be a fantastic
choice (as is the 0-200) for your airplane to safely haul around yourself and a
passenger. I, am one, envious of your extra power. Good for you---great choice
of
engines.
Mike C.
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Date: Aug 16, 2009
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Gary Boothe's landing gear/brake photos/ wheels
and new Piets on the horizon
Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
> Dan Helsper's Piet appears to be a beauty in the making too and I will bet with
Dan's choices of colors he'll attract a younger crowd as it really is a wild
> (but to me a very attractive and unique) one. Can't wait to see the newer
Piets at Brodhead next year. Gene Rambo said that he's coming along
> nicely with his and might make it next year-- there are several others. Great
stuff-- keep them coming guys !
>
Wait... what? You've seen Dan's paint job? Where at?!?? Did I miss
something? Dang it, now I have to go search the archives...
Cheers,
Dan
PS - Dan H., I ran across something tucked away in a dresser drawer
yesterday that I want to give you. It's nothing big, just a little
trinket that'll go along fairly well, though not perfectly, with your
plane (it's only from the 1940's). I stuck it in the glove box of N8031
so when I come out to C37 to fill the tank I'll drop it by. It was my
grandfathers. I'll say this - it has something to do with your engine
choice and Minnesota... ;-)
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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Subject: Re: John Recine's 0-235 engine tear down update
From: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 16, 2009
Actually the 0235 c1b engine is a 6.75:1 low compression engine that develops 115
hp at 2800 rpm with a climb pitched prop I should be in pretty good shape.
Especially for those that are able to fit in the front hole.
At least that's the plan.
John
------Original Message------
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: Aug 16, 2009 4:19 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: John Recine's 0-235 engine tear down update
That sounds like very good news John about your engine and I think with today's
pilot and passenger weights that the 0-235 (approx 108 hp) would be a fantastic
choice (as is the 0-200) for your airplane to safely haul around yourself and a
passenger. I, am one, envious of your extra power. Good for you---great choice
of
engines.
Mike C.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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Subject: skid ball
From: "skellytown flyer" <rhano(at)att.net>
Date: Aug 16, 2009
I'd like to find a cheap? skid slip ball. not really interested in a complete instrument.just
the ball indicator.are there any real good buys out there? Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258067#258067
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Date: Aug 16, 2009
Subject: Re: wood packages
From: Don Rucker <donrucker.ctg(at)gmail.com>
Thanks for the reply but for some reason your email came across as code and
not text.
Don
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 16, 2009
Subject: Thanks
From: Don Rucker <donrucker.ctg(at)gmail.com>
Many thanks to all that replied to my question about wood packages. The Piet
community really seems like a great group of folks. Hope to meet some of you
in the future.
Thanks,
Don
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: nicely finished Piets-- still WIP here-- help?
Date: Aug 16, 2009
I covered mine with fabric.
Jack Phillips
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: nicely finished Piets-- still WIP here-- help?
The Piet here is still a work in process, but speaking of finish... the
under surface of the center wing?
As many Piets as I have seen, I should be able to answer this, but I don't
think that I have ever looked at this surface. The plans call for a thin
sheet of plywood for the bottom of the center wing. How are you all
finishing that? Are you covering in fabric, painting it, or what?
I have varnish on my plywood already-- both sides-- to seal it from
moisture, etc. If I decide I want to paint it, say with spray Krylon, do
you think that would be appropriate; e.g., will it stick, if first sanded
and primered? (The varnish is glossy Ace spar varnish.) I know to try only
a little spot, but I am looking for opinions first. Have I screwed up
putting on the varnish, if paint is the final finish?
And what about finish and materials for the rest of the center wing? I am
going to have a flop and a baggage compartment. The lid for the baggage
compartment will be aluminum (not yet installed). I know how to finish
that. For the rest, I have a plywood leading edge that actually goes from
the top of the front spar to its bottom, and it is varnished. I am thinking
of using similar 1.5 mm ply for the other surfaces on the center wing (the
flop and the stubs), for they will get some handling and maybe some beating
up. While I'd love to make my plane look like Dick Navritil's, an all-wood
look, in fact most of it will be painted a light color (TX sun).
(BTW, I know that if I head toward fabric on any of this, if using Polyfiber
finishes, I should likely put epoxy varnish on anything that the Poly
processes will touch. I have already done that to the ribs.)
Thanks,
Tim in central TX
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 16, 2009
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Anybody heard from the ATL gang?
-
Seems like there was a whirlwind of posts on the progress of the "Bunch O'
Piets" being readied in ATL. There was even speculation that they might dar
ken the skies for the 80th gaggle at B'head and OSH. Have I missed somethin
g or are they MIA?? Anybody heard-word on their efforts lately?
-
Larry=0A=0A=0A
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Date: Aug 16, 2009
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: skid ball
Just tape an 8 inch piece of yarn on the top centerline of the cowling. You can't
get any cheaper than that. Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: skellytown flyer <rhano(at)att.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 6:55:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: skid ball
I'd like to find a cheap? skid slip ball. not really interested in a complete instrument.just
the ball indicator.are there any real good buys out there? Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258067#258067
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Anybody heard from the ATL gang?
Date: Aug 16, 2009
They ain't ready yet, and I think they are smart to not have made a big push
and try to get to Brodhead and Oshkash before they were ready. My guess is
we'll see a big gaggle of Piets (or a gaggle of Big Piets) at Sun 'n' Fun
next April.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Williams
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anybody heard from the ATL gang?
Seems like there was a whirlwind of posts on the progress of the "Bunch O'
Piets" being readied in ATL. There was even speculation that they might
darken the skies for the 80th gaggle at B'head and OSH. Have I missed
something or are they MIA?? Anybody heard word on their efforts lately?
Larry
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 16, 2009
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: skid ball
The only one I could find is sold by Wicks.
>
>I'd like to find a cheap? skid slip ball. not really interested in a
>complete instrument.just the ball indicator.are there any real good
>buys out there? Raymond
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: skid ball
Date: Aug 16, 2009
I went to a salvage instrument/avionics dealer at Sun 'n' Fun and bought a
broken turn and bank indicator for $7.50. I took the back off, threw away
the broken (and heavy) gyroscope, and just mounted the face on the
instrument panel of the front cockpit, since what I wanted was just a ball
for the front seat.
I bought a serviceable vacuum driven turn and bank for the rear panel and
drive it with a 4" venturi mounted under the floorboard. It has saved my
bacon more than once when I couldn't outclimb clouds and I was IFR for a few
seconds. For that one I paid $22. Cheap insurance.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: skid ball
The only one I could find is sold by Wicks.
>
>I'd like to find a cheap? skid slip ball. not really interested in a
>complete instrument.just the ball indicator.are there any real good
>buys out there? Raymond
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: skid ball
Date: Aug 16, 2009
Raymond;
I've heard that you can make your own slip-skid ball
using clear tubing, a ball bearing, and kerosene. I
guess you could blacken the ball bearing using Drano
or whatever it is they use to blacken steel, or just
leave it shiny. Clear plastic tubing, or if you want
to get fancy, use acrylic tubing. You could probably
plug the ends by threading them and then screwing in
plugs, or just JB Weld it shut.
But the simple one from Wicks is only $26 and is a
"real" slip-skid instrument. Used to be that you
could get a simple plastic slip-skid ball from the
ultralight parts dealers like Lockwood Aviation or
LEAF, but they don't seem to handle those anymore. I
guess everybody is making coordinated turns these
days, or airplanes don't need rudders anymore.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: skid ball
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net>
Date: Aug 16, 2009
I think I found just what you and I are looking for..... check the attached screen
capture.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258120#258120
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/a29_180.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Ruse" <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
Subject: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake?
Date: Aug 16, 2009
I've got a question for you metallurgists. I'm doing some work on my
airplane's engine (A-75) and have the cylinders apart. I sandblasted a
couple of the valve springs today to remove baked on carbon...it really
isn't necessary as it is a very thin layer and doesn't affect anything, but
they look clean when they are done. Anyway, I started wondering if I could
have affected the fatigue strength (fatigue limit?) of the spring via
superficial work hardening, increased surface roughness or something else
that I know nothing about.
The surface of the springs doesn't appear pitted to the naked eye, but it
does have a clean but dull finish created by the sandblasting, so the
surface roughness has been increased. I know it may be impossible to say
without having any definite facts (type of steel, actual change to surface,
etc.), but anyway, what is your best guess? Would you say this likely
would, would not, or might affect the fatigue strength of a valve spring?
Thanks for any input!
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: TGWP on Encore
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Aug 16, 2009
TGWP is on the Encore Love channel right now. Hurry up and you can practice you
lines!
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258136#258136
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 17, 2009
Subject: wing rib jig belongs to some one don't know who
From: Robert Ray <rray032003(at)gmail.com>
Robert or Teresa B.
I have a rib jig that you used on your plane that I can ship to the some one
or back to you, don't know whether you'll still using this list or not if so
post
me an address to ship to.
Russell
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake?
Date: Aug 17, 2009
Depends on what medium you were using. If it was truly sand, you might well
have caused a bunch of scratches on the surface that would cause stress
concentrations, leading to early failure. If the medium you used was glass
beads or walnut shells or something like that, no harm would likely be done
and it might even have a benefit in that it would act like shot-peening to
create a layer of compression on the surface to prevent fatigue.
Look at the surface of the springs with a magnifying glass or microscope and
see if you can see any scratches. Or better yet, contact Harry Fenton or
Teledyne Continental Motors and get their opinions (Harry probably knows
more about the A75 than TCM does).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ruse
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake?
I've got a question for you metallurgists. I'm doing some work on my
airplane's engine (A-75) and have the cylinders apart. I sandblasted a
couple of the valve springs today to remove baked on carbon...it really
isn't necessary as it is a very thin layer and doesn't affect anything, but
they look clean when they are done. Anyway, I started wondering if I could
have affected the fatigue strength (fatigue limit?) of the spring via
superficial work hardening, increased surface roughness or something else
that I know nothing about.
The surface of the springs doesn't appear pitted to the naked eye, but it
does have a clean but dull finish created by the sandblasting, so the
surface roughness has been increased. I know it may be impossible to say
without having any definite facts (type of steel, actual change to surface,
etc.), but anyway, what is your best guess? Would you say this likely
would, would not, or might affect the fatigue strength of a valve spring?
Thanks for any input!
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake?
From: "SteveR" <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
Date: Aug 17, 2009
Luckily it was only one spring set (inner & outer of #4 intake valve). Possibly
an expensive lesson. The blasting media was plain white sand. I have found
several articles online referencing the use of sand to improve fatigue strength
via work hardening. I will pull out my old microscope to see what I can find
on the surface, but I doubt I have the proper equipment or knowledge to make
an accurate determination by looking at the surface. If I can't determine for
sure, then I'll replace the spring. If I bought some new glass bead media,
then re-blasted the spring, could it undo the damage potentially caused by sand
by peening the surface?
Now, my next question is, where do you get these springs? They are part numbers
21365 & 21366. The shop that is going to hone the cylinders for me does a lot
of work on these engines, maybe they have some.
Thanks for the help. I'll e-mail Harry Fenton in the next day or two if I can't
find definite information somewhere. I hate to bug him if I can find the information
by doing a little reading.
Did you ever have one of those moments where you wanted to punch yourself in the
face? That was me, last night.
Steve Ruse
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258158#258158
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Subject: Re: skid ball
Date: Aug 17, 2009
When I did the EAA's Air Academy as a teenager, we made slip-skid
balls just as Oscar described. A piece of aluminum was bent to the
proper shape, and a steel ball was placed in the tube with screws/
bolts sealing the tube and holding it to the aluminum at the same
time. I don't remember what we filled the tubes with, but it was
probably just water.
I still like Jack's idea of stripping a surplus instrument down for
just a few bucks. That's pretty clever.
Reminds me of the Navi-Bird somebody had in their Piet at OSH in 2001
(?). They also had a "moving map" sectional on two rollers with a
hand crank, and a pair of dice inside an instrument face with a
placard that said "Flying is a Gamble".
Very cool.
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 17, 2009
Subject: source for Cont. valve springs below- Fresno Air Parts,
CA
Steve-- Fresno Air Parts is one source for your valve springs. http://www.trade-a-plane.com/displaypdf?pdf_num=0000663775 fresnoairparts@att.net
Valve Spring Set, Complete (16 Ea. Springs) ........ 42.50
Fresno Airparts
Chandler Field
520 West Kearney
Fresno, CA 93706
USA
Phone: 559-237-4863
Fax: 559-237-2703
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: skid ball
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Aug 17, 2009
I believe that was Ken Perkins with the "navi-bird" and dice. That was hilarious.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258164#258164
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: wood packages
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Aug 17, 2009
Don
John's post came through on the web version ok. If you were to decode the message,
it reads (as you probably guessed), "Nice to meet you Mr. Brown."
;-)
[quote="swamppilot"]Thanks for the reply but for some reason your email came across
as code and not text.
Don
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From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 17, 2009
Subject: Re: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake?
Have to agree, according to the A&P I am working with on my 0235 sand
blasting has no place near and ac engine, the media is too destructive causing
real problems for surfaces and metal. Avoid it at all costs. Not too good
advice after the fact, however it may help in future considerations.
John
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From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 17, 2009
Subject: Re: wood packages
Stinkin blackberry
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Date: Aug 17, 2009
Subject: Re: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake?
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Steve,
Since the shop doing the cylinders does plenty of work on small Continentals
they probably have a supply of used serviceable springs that would most
likely cost less than new springs. When I worked in an aircraft cylinder
shop 'back in the day' we had boxes of serviceable used springs of all
kinds. I'd give them a call first, and see what they say. Good luck!
Ryan
P.S.: We cleaned valve springs by tossing them in a 'tumbler' full of small
shot for about 15-20 minutes. You might see if the shop has one, and you
could send them along with your cylinders and have them tumbled clean.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:33 AM, SteveR wrote:
>
> Luckily it was only one spring set (inner & outer of #4 intake valve).
> Possibly an expensive lesson. The blasting media was plain white sand. I
> have found several articles online referencing the use of sand to improve
> fatigue strength via work hardening. I will pull out my old microscope to
> see what I can find on the surface, but I doubt I have the proper equipment
> or knowledge to make an accurate determination by looking at the surface.
> If I can't determine for sure, then I'll replace the spring. If I bought
> some new glass bead media, then re-blasted the spring, could it undo the
> damage potentially caused by sand by peening the surface?
>
> Now, my next question is, where do you get these springs? They are part
> numbers 21365 & 21366. The shop that is going to hone the cylinders for me
> does a lot of work on these engines, maybe they have some.
>
> Thanks for the help. I'll e-mail Harry Fenton in the next day or two if I
> can't find definite information somewhere. I hate to bug him if I can find
> the information by doing a little reading.
>
> Did you ever have one of those moments where you wanted to punch yourself
> in the face? That was me, last night.
>
> Steve Ruse
>
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Date: Aug 17, 2009
Subject: Re: skid ball
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
The company that manufactured Lindbergh's slip indicator is still doing
business:
http://www.riekerinc.com/SlipIndicators.htm
No idea how you go about buying one, from what I can see on the website, but
it might be worth a phone call.
Ryan
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Wayne Bressler
wrote:
> wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
>
> When I did the EAA's Air Academy as a teenager, we made slip-skid balls
> just as Oscar described. A piece of aluminum was bent to the proper shape,
> and a steel ball was placed in the tube with screws/bolts sealing the tube
> and holding it to the aluminum at the same time. I don't remember what we
> filled the tubes with, but it was probably just water.
>
> I still like Jack's idea of stripping a surplus instrument down for just a
> few bucks. That's pretty clever.
>
> Reminds me of the Navi-Bird somebody had in their Piet at OSH in 2001(?).
> They also had a "moving map" sectional on two rollers with a hand crank,
> and a pair of dice inside an instrument face with a placard that said
> "Flying is a Gamble".
>
> Very cool.
>
> Wayne Bressler Jr.
> Taildraggers, Inc.
> taildraggersinc.com
>
>
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Subject: Re: nicely finished Piets
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Aug 17, 2009
John... your traveling friend is due to visit our field tonight... I hope he doesn't
have a similar comment for my project. I've worked really hard on the parts
that I've completed.
You know, I could totally hear him saying that. I'm sure that most here know who
you are talking about, and surely they could hear it too. How funny.
Hey guy... you know who you are... it's the third Monday of the month, are you
still planning to make it out tonight? Don't get behind the power curve today!
Ok, sorry for the hijack... back to the discussion.
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Subject: Re: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake?
From: "SteveR" <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
Date: Aug 17, 2009
[quote="Amsafetyc"]Have to agree, according to the A&P I am working with on my
0235 sand blasting has no place near and ac engine, the media is too destructive
causing real problems for surfaces and metal. Avoid itat all costs. Not
too good advice after the fact, however it may help in future considerations.
John
> [b]
Thanks John and everyone else, I really appreciate it.
John, you bring up an interesting point. Several people have told me to sandblast
my pistons from the oil ring up (not the lower skirt past the rings). I know
several people around here who do this, including an A&P. They tape the cylinder
with duct tape from the oil ring down so the skirt and back of the piston
are unaffected. Sounds like a great way to get them clean. Is this a bad
idea?
Of course, they would be thoroughly cleaned before installing.
Steve Ruse
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From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 17, 2009
Subject: Re: nicely finished Piets
Mark,
I hope progress is going well I may be down in September to visit the
plant. We will have to plan on a get together at your hangar to review.
I'll keep ya posted. By the way maybe we can have the new guy, George
Brown join us, assuming he's in town and willing to consume and imbibe of the
local fare.
John
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From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 17, 2009
Subject: Re: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake?
Steve, I couldn't comment on the pistons, my A&P cleaned them along with
the rest of my parts so I never did get that part of the lesson just the
part about sand. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Fact of it is I am more
adept to working on auto engines, so my favorite tool for cleaning is and has
always been the wire wheel.
Its a good thing I consulted my A&P and let him do the cleaning given a
chance me and my best friend the wire wheel would have reduced that entire
engine to aviation junk, Really clean junk! but junk nonetheless.
John
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Subject: Re: nicely finished Piets
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Aug 17, 2009
John:
Progress is indeed going well, and we would be glad to have you out for some Piet-patties
and brew whenever you are in town.
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From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 17, 2009
Subject: Re: nicely finished Piets
Incidentally. The story was told to convey not what was said or how but
more that people come away with a perception of quality and as such drives us
to be better builders. Nor was it told to embarrass anyone but and
certainly not Jim. I home the posting has not caused him any inconvenience or
discord as I shared it to illustrate a point and not to discredit anyone.
If it came out that way or was interpreted as such, I owe the group and my
friend an apology as it was and is not my intent to damage do harm or
injure anyone.
Again my sincerest apologies
John
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Date: Aug 17, 2009
From: Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
Subject: Re: source for Cont. valve springs below- Fresno Air
Parts, CA , Pietenpol-List: source for Cont. valve springs below- Fresno Air
Parts, CA
NICE! Brand new valve springs for $42.50. Now that is a deal. I was
expecting double that for a single spring. Thanks for the tip Mike!
Now, should I leave the NOS springs for someone in the future who
really needs or full set, and I'll just get a single new (used)
replacement spring from Gibson Aviation (small continental experts who
just happen to be local), or should I get a complete new set?
Has anyone been to Fresno Airparts warehouse? I find it astonishing
that they have this many NOS items.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
Quoting "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
:
> (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
>
> Steve-- Fresno Air Parts is one source for your valve springs.
> http://www.trade-a-plane.com/displaypdf?pdf_num=0000663775
> fresnoairparts(at)att.net
>
> Valve Spring Set, Complete (16 Ea. Springs) ........ 42.50
>
>
> Fresno Airparts
>
> Chandler Field
> 520 West Kearney
> Fresno, CA 93706
> USA
>
> Phone: 559-237-4863
> Fax: 559-237-2703
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thomas Bernie <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: skid ball
Date: Aug 17, 2009
Got mine from Aircraft Spruce
On Aug 17, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> The company that manufactured Lindbergh's slip indicator is still
> doing business:
>
> http://www.riekerinc.com/SlipIndicators.htm
>
> No idea how you go about buying one, from what I can see on the
> website, but it might be worth a phone call.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Wayne Bressler > wrote:
> >
>
> When I did the EAA's Air Academy as a teenager, we made slip-skid
> balls just as Oscar described. A piece of aluminum was bent to the
> proper shape, and a steel ball was placed in the tube with screws/
> bolts sealing the tube and holding it to the aluminum at the same
> time. I don't remember what we filled the tubes with, but it was
> probably just water.
>
> I still like Jack's idea of stripping a surplus instrument down for
> just a few bucks. That's pretty clever.
>
> Reminds me of the Navi-Bird somebody had in their Piet at OSH in
> 2001(?). They also had a "moving map" sectional on two rollers with
> a hand crank, and a pair of dice inside an instrument face with a
> placard that said "Flying is a Gamble".
>
> Very cool.
>
> Wayne Bressler Jr.
> Taildraggers, Inc.
> taildraggersinc.com
>
>
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Subject: Re: nicely finished Piets
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Aug 17, 2009
Way to go John. [Laughing]
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Subject: Re: TGWP on Encore
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Aug 17, 2009
I hate to be commenting on my own lame post, but I just wanted to say... perhaps
I judged TGWP too hastily. I actually sat up until 1:00 or 1:30 to watch the
entire movie again, and it really isn't too bad. I'm not a huge Redford fan,
but aside from his poor acting (settle down everyone [Rolling Eyes] ), there
were a lot of details that I missed in the first couple of passes. Perhaps
it has something to do with watching it real late when the kiddo isn't distracting
me every 30 seconds?
Anyway... I still haven't memorized my lines, but I will pop it in again soon for
some background noise in the shop, and to take a closer look at all the airplanes.
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Date: Aug 17, 2009
Subject: Re: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake?
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Steve,
I don't think I would sandblast (literally with sand, or even glass bead) a
piston, unless I was looking to make an ashtray or some decorative piece ou
t
of it. At the repair station I worked at we would blast pistons clean with
plastic media; that's probably about as harsh as you'd want to go. You don'
t
need to make it look absolutely brand new, you just need to remove the
carbon. I would take particular care around the ring lands; turn the
pressure down and keep the stream of media moving so you don't damage the
lands.
I would second John's comment about there really being no reason to
sandblast (again, literally with sand) any part of an aircraft engine.
Aluminum parts should never be sandblasted, unless you want to trash them.
Plastic media or walnut shells would be a better idea, and even then you
don't want to turn the pressure up too high or concentrate too long on one
spot. For removing corrosion on steel parts, glass media works well, but yo
u
still have to be careful.
Ryan
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:35 AM, SteveR wrote:
>
> [quote="Amsafetyc"]Have to agree, according to the A&P I am working wit
h on
> my 0235 sand blasting has no place near and ac engine, the media is too
> destructive causing real problems for surfaces and metal. Avoid it=EF
=BDat all
> costs. Not too good advice after the fact, however it may help in future
> considerations.
>
> John
>
>
> > [b]
>
>
> Thanks John and everyone else, I really appreciate it.
>
> John, you bring up an interesting point. Several people have told me to
> sandblast my pistons from the oil ring up (not the lower skirt past the
> rings). I know several people around here who do this, including an A&P.
> They tape the cylinder with duct tape from the oil ring down so the skir
t
> and back of the piston are unaffected. Sounds like a great way to get th
em
> clean. Is this a bad idea?
>
> Of course, they would be thoroughly cleaned before installing.
>
> Steve Ruse
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 17, 2009
From: <r.r.hall(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: TGWP on Encore
Alright does anyone have a copy of this movie I could borrow? I have not seen it
and everyone keeps talking about it. Barring that could someone let me know
ahead of time (a day or so not ten minutes :-)) so I can watch it.
Thanks
Rodney
---- K5YAC wrote:
>
> I hate to be commenting on my own lame post, but I just wanted to say... perhaps
I judged TGWP too hastily. I actually sat up until 1:00 or 1:30 to watch
the entire movie again, and it really isn't too bad. I'm not a huge Redford fan,
but aside from his poor acting (settle down everyone [Rolling Eyes] ), there
were a lot of details that I missed in the first couple of passes. Perhaps
it has something to do with watching it real late when the kiddo isn't distracting
me every 30 seconds?
>
> Anyway... I still haven't memorized my lines, but I will pop it in again soon
for some background noise in the shop, and to take a closer look at all the airplanes.
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258207#258207
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Aug 17, 2009
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: My DVD arrived today!!!
Barnstorming - A Documentary Film arrived in the mail today.....
It's GREAT! Fantastic....
Wow, a movie ALL ABOUT why I'm building a Pietenpol!!!
JM
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Subject: Re: My DVD arrived today!!!
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Aug 17, 2009
You turkey! Can't wait to get mine.
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Subject: Re: My DVD arrived today!!!
From: "TulsaFlyer" <gbloud1(at)netzero.net>
Date: Aug 17, 2009
Mark, I think we should take it from him......
You know, so we can watch it and make sure it's safe for him to view. :P
Jody
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Date: Aug 17, 2009
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: My DVD arrived today!!!
Good, ain't it?
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: My DVD arrived today!!!
Date: Aug 17, 2009
Just got mine today, too. I'm in charge of entertainment tonight...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My DVD arrived today!!!
Good, ain't it?
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Date: Aug 17, 2009
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: TGWP on Encore
Breakfast at Tiffany's? OK, I pretty much ignored George because,
let's face it, Audrey Hepburn can ride in my front cockpit any time...
I know, I know: TMI.
>
>That begs the question: In what movie can you stand George Peppard?
>
>Gary Boothe
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: is it really a Piet???
Date: Aug 17, 2009
http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_360434_Pietenpol+Aerial+.html
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 17, 2009
Subject: Barnstormers: same here: DVD arrived today!!!
Karen and I just got done watching it. What a great all-American story, wonderful
midwest farm family, great story about the pilots and airplanes
and giving rides to the townfolk and kids. Great stuff.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 17, 2009
Subject: Re: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake?
From: Lloyd Smith <lesmith240(at)gmail.com>
We strip paint off our Dash 8 wheels w/ plastic media and it doesn't even
remove the alodine/anodize treatment from the metal.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> Steve,
>
> I don't think I would sandblast (literally with sand, or even glass bead) a
> piston, unless I was looking to make an ashtray or some decorative piece out
> of it. At the repair station I worked at we would blast pistons clean with
> plastic media; that's probably about as harsh as you'd want to go. You don't
> need to make it look absolutely brand new, you just need to remove the
> carbon. I would take particular care around the ring lands; turn the
> pressure down and keep the stream of media moving so you don't damage the
> lands.
>
> I would second John's comment about there really being no reason to
> sandblast (again, literally with sand) any part of an aircraft engine.
> Aluminum parts should never be sandblasted, unless you want to trash them.
> Plastic media or walnut shells would be a better idea, and even then you
> don't want to turn the pressure up too high or concentrate too long on one
> spot. For removing corrosion on steel parts, glass media works well, but you
> still have to be careful.
>
> Ryan
>
> **
>
>
--
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British
publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954)
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Subject: Re: wood packages
From: "skybachs" <skybachs(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 17, 2009
Hey Don!
Glad you found the website. You and Peyton will have a lot of questions as you
get going and this is the place to get them answered.
I suggest you get all the back issues of the Pietenpol newsletters from the club
and/or from the AAA in Blakesburg, IA. On cold winter nights, they make great
homework.
Rob
--------
NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258327#258327
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Date: Aug 17, 2009
From: Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com>
Subject: Re: TGWP on Encore
OK, I'll say it again. "Only Angels Have Wings" is the best flying movie
ever, if only because it DOESN'T have George Peppard. If you've got
Netflix they have it there. If you don't, something might be arranged.
Cary Grant, Jean Arthur, Thomas Mitchell, Richard Barthelmess, Rita
Hayworth, Allyn Joslyn, Sig Ruman, directed by Howard Hawks, and it
actually has some real airplanes flying along with some pretty
"entertaining" model work. Snappy dialog and ahh, that Jean Arthur...
Darrel Jones
Pfeifer Sport
Sonoma, CA
Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> That begs the question: In what movie can you stand George Peppard?
>
> Gary Boothe
>
>
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Date: Aug 17, 2009
From: Owen Davies <owen5819(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: TGWP on Encore
Darrel Jones wrote:
> OK, I'll say it again. "Only Angels Have Wings" is the best flying
> movie ever ...
Hard to argue with that, though I might give "12 O'Clock High" a slight
edge.
Just so they aren't completely overlooked, "Island in the Sky" and "The
High and the Mighty" weren't bad. It's tough to go too far wrong with
Ernie Gann.
Owen
(lurk mode back on)
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol aerobatics
From: "skybachs" <skybachs(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 17, 2009
Wing-overs, hammerheads, spins, and a loop are all I've done.
Plenty of rudder for hammerheads and spin recovery...lots of elevator for the loop.
Three turns in the spin and she was happily dropping 400 fpm, recovered in
1/4 turn like a good airplane should.
Entered the loop at 90 and got a little impatient, so it was a little egg-like,
but fun. Wouldn't do any of this with a passenger on board.
If you look at the side area of the Piet, you can see why it slips so well: no
slab-sided fuselage to keep you from coming down.
Piet #2 has an 85 in it so it might have enough oomph to roll around a little...I"ll
let you know.
Rob
--------
NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258339#258339
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: TGWP on Encore
From: "Paul N. Peckham" <peckham9(at)countryspeed.com>
Date: Aug 17, 2009
Ok, let me commit some heresy here. I just didn't think that TGWP was all that
great. Its an aviation movie which makes it fun to watch but I never felt fanatical
about it. On the other hand, I thought High Road to China with Tom Selleck
was excellent. In fact, I liked Selleck's character O'Malley so much ,
I named my dog after him. O'Malley spends his time out in the shop with the
Pietenpol and so far he hasn't desecrated the project, so I take that as a good
sign. All right, you can start flaming........
Paul
The Pietenpol is slow, but the earth is patient.
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Barnstormers
Date: Aug 17, 2009
My wife is not that supportive of my project (my fault for starting the
kitchen remodel before the Piet), but even she liked Barnstormers! Guess if
I start getting cold cereal for dinner I'll get back to the kitchen..
.got the engine mount on tonight.permanently! Here comes the engine..
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 17, 2009
From: Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com>
Subject: Re: TGWP on Encore
> Darrel Jones wrote:
>> OK, I'll say it again. "Only Angels Have Wings" is the best flying
>> movie ever ...
> Hard to argue with that, though I might give "12 O'Clock High" a
> slight edge.
>
> Just so they aren't completely overlooked, "Island in the Sky" and
> "The High and the Mighty" weren't bad. It's tough to go too far wrong
> with Ernie Gann.
>
> Owen
> (lurk mode back on)
>
>
Own,
Those two are also on the favorites list. "Island in the Sky" and the
DC-3s in formation over the north country (actually filmed in Truckee,
Lake Tahoe) with the clouds is breathtaking. If you haven't read Ernie
Gann, hit the library or Amazon tomorrow. Another good one is "Always".
Holly Hunter and A-26's and PBYs. Yum!
Darrel
________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 17, 2009
Subject: Re: Pietenpol aerobatics
Down from the heavens just for your on his final tour of the United States
Earnst Kessler
In a message dated 8/17/2009 10:15:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
skybachs(at)yahoo.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "skybachs"
Wing-overs, hammerheads, spins, and a loop are all I've done.
Plenty of rudder for hammerheads and spin recovery...lots of elevator for
the loop. Three turns in the spin and she was happily dropping 400 fpm,
recovered in 1/4 turn like a good airplane should.
Entered the loop at 90 and got a little impatient, so it was a little
egg-like, but fun. Wouldn't do any of this with a passenger on board.
If you look at the side area of the Piet, you can see why it slips so
well: no slab-sided fuselage to keep you from coming down.
Piet #2 has an 85 in it so it might have enough oomph to roll around a
little...I"ll let you know.
Rob
--------
NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258339#258339
________________________________________________________________________________
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com>
Subject: rough sawn lumber selection
Date: Aug 17, 2009
I'm headed down to McCormicks Lumber in Madison to pick up some spar materi
al this weekend. Any tips for judging the rough sawn lumber? I'm just con
cerned that I won't be able to see all I need to see without the boards bei
ng planed or having clean ends=2C edges=2C etc. Out of the 4 boards they s
ent me for my fuselage=2C 3 of them turned out to be spar quality=2C so I k
now they have the right stuff...
Tom B.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: front seat back serves as a fuselage bulkhead
Date: Aug 17, 2009
Well, We do have bathtub races in this part of the world.
20 miles across open ocean.
Clif
Seneca: "There is no great genius without a tincture of madness."
> Or I could just glue a bathtub in there...
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 18, 2009
Subject: Re: rough sawn lumber selection
From: Robert Ray <rray032003(at)gmail.com>
I think they carry a boat grade I would ask them? The boat grade isn't as
good as aircraft
has a little more waste, I think the growth rings are visible enough whether
planed
or rough, pitch pockets pin knots I would say a little harder to detect.
my .000002 worth, also try to pick quarter sawn or the boards that got sent
through the
saw that come from the center of the log taht have cross grain.
Russell
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:25 AM, TOM MICHELLE BRANT wrote:
> I'm headed down to McCormicks Lumber in Madison to pick up some spar
> material this weekend. Any tips for judging the rough sawn lumber? I'm
> just concerned that I won't be able to see all I need to see without the
> boards being planed or having clean ends, edges, etc. Out of the 4 boards
> they sent me for my fuselage, 3 of them turned out to be spar quality, so I
> know they have the right stuff...
>
> Tom B.
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 17, 2009
From: Charles Tracy <charlestracy2635(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Engine Cleaning Methods
I am rebuilding a small Continental also. The post about sandblasting got me thinking
about cleaning the parts before putting it back together. The plastic media
sounds great but I don't have access to a blaster of any kind.
Do you have any ideas about how else I could clean the carbon or old paint off?
Charlie
________________________________
From: Lloyd Smith <lesmith240(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:16:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake?
We strip paint off our Dash 8 wheels w/ plastic media and it doesn't even remove
the alodine/anodize treatment from the metal.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
Steve,
>
>I don't think I would sandblast (literally with sand, or even glass bead) a piston,
unless I was looking to make an ashtray or some decorative piece out of
it. At the repair station I worked at we would blast pistons clean with plastic
media; that's probably about as harsh as you'd want to go. You don't need to
make it look absolutely brand new, you just need to remove the carbon. I would
take particular care around the ring lands; turn the pressure down and keep
the stream of media moving so you don't damage the lands.
>
>I would second John's comment about there really being no reason to sandblast
(again, literally with sand) any part of an aircraft engine. Aluminum parts should
never be sandblasted, unless you want to trash them. Plastic media or walnut
shells would be a better idea, and even then you don't want to turn the pressure
up too high or concentrate too long on one spot. For removing corrosion
on steel parts, glass media works well, but you still have to be careful.
>
>Ryan
>
--
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not,
diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British publisher
and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954)
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 18, 2009
From: "mksoucy(at)yahoo.com" <mksoucy(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TGWP on Encore
I hate to add to this but as great as Tgwp is nobody has mentioned Flyboys
Mike
Sent from my iPod
On Aug 17, 2009, at 11:05 PM, Darrel Jones wrote:
Darrel Jones wrote:
OK, I'll say it again. "Only Angels Have Wings" is the best flying movie ever ...
Hard to argue with that, though I might give "12 O'Clock High" a slight edge.
Just so they aren't completely overlooked, "Island in the Sky" and "The High and
the Mighty" weren't bad. It's tough to go too far wrong with Ernie Gann.
Owen
(lurk mode back on)
Own,
Those two are also on the favorites list. "Island in the Sky" and the DC-3s in
formation over the north country (actually filmed in Truckee, Lake Tahoe) with
the clouds is breathtaking. If you haven't read Ernie Gann, hit the library or
Amazon tomorrow. Another good one is "Always". Holly Hunter and A-26's and PBYs.
Yum!
Darrel
__________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 18, 2009
Subject: Barnstorming: DVD arrived today!!!
Thank you Ryan--- I called it Barnstormers incorrectly. I'm getting more and
more like
my father everyday. Scary.
Here's the link if any of you would like to order your own copy.
http://www.barnstormingmovie.com/dvd.htm
Andrew King, (who is on this list) is featured in the production as well as Frank
Pavliga of Sky Gypsy fame--now with the Lambert radial. (Andrew flew the Pitcairn
Autogiro into OSH
this year that was parked near the Red Barn and has been a long time Pietenpol
guy)
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: rough sawn lumber selection
Date: Aug 18, 2009
Tom,
If you think you may have difficulty seeing the end grain, take a sanding
block loaded with 60-80 grit paper.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Ray
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rough sawn lumber selection
I think they carry a boat grade I would ask them? The boat grade isn't as
good as aircraft
has a little more waste, I think the growth rings are visible enough whether
planed
or rough, pitch pockets pin knots I would say a little harder to detect.
my .000002 worth, also try to pick quarter sawn or the boards that got sent
through the
saw that come from the center of the log taht have cross grain.
Russell
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:25 AM, TOM MICHELLE BRANT
wrote:
I'm headed down to McCormicks Lumber in Madison to pick up some spar
material this weekend. Any tips for judging the rough sawn lumber? I'm
just concerned that I won't be able to see all I need to see without the
boards being planed or having clean ends, edges, etc. Out of the 4 boards
they sent me for my fuselage, 3 of them turned out to be spar quality, so I
know they have the right stuff...
Tom B.
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Date: Aug 18, 2009
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Cleaning Methods
How about oven cleaner? I've used it for cleaning table saw blades and it works
wonders.
Or check out Chris Bobka's very simple/inexpensive sand blaster plans on westcoastpiet.com
under construction. It's not much more than a couple of sheets of
exterior plywood. I built one several years ago and it was the best thing I
ever added to my shop. One of the smallest investments in my shop and one of
the biggest paybacks.
Gonna do some sandblasting and powder coating on jury strut fittings this week,
actually.
JM in HOT Oklahoma...
I am rebuilding a small Continental also. The post about sandblasting got me thinking
about cleaning the parts before putting it back together. The plastic media
sounds great but I don't have access to a blaster of any kind.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Engine Cleaning Methods
Date: Aug 18, 2009
Charlie,
For proof, my buddy, Jim Boyer, sent a picture of his wife helping him scrub
the case of a Corvair in their kitchen sink! Simple Green works good, with a
little elbow grease. For $10, a local transmission shop let me stick my case
halve in with their transmissions for cleaning.worked out great!
For small parts, I found a gallon can of "green" parts cleaner at a local
auto parts supply. It came with a basket large enough to fit in a 5 gallon
plastic bucket.let the parts soak for a few hours, then rinse them off.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Tracy
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Cleaning Methods
I am rebuilding a small Continental also. The post about sandblasting got me
thinking about cleaning the parts before putting it back together. The
plastic media sounds great but I don't have access to a blaster of any kind.
Do you have any ideas about how else I could clean the carbon or old paint
off?
Charlie
_____
From: Lloyd Smith <lesmith240(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:16:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake?
We strip paint off our Dash 8 wheels w/ plastic media and it doesn't even
remove the alodine/anodize treatment from the metal.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
Steve,
I don't think I would sandblast (literally with sand, or even glass bead) a
piston, unless I was looking to make an ashtray or some decorative piece out
of it. At the repair station I worked at we would blast pistons clean with
plastic media; that's probably about as harsh as you'd want to go. You don't
need to make it look absolutely brand new, you just need to remove the
carbon. I would take particular care around the ring lands; turn the
pressure down and keep the stream of media moving so you don't damage the
lands.
I would second John's comment about there really being no reason to
sandblast (again, literally with sand) any part of an aircraft engine.
Aluminum parts should never be sandblasted, unless you want to trash them.
Plastic media or walnut shells would be a better idea, and even then you
don't want to turn the pressure up too high or concentrate too long on one
spot. For removing corrosion on steel parts, glass media works well, but you
still have to be careful.
Ryan
--
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British
publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954)
________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 18, 2009
Subject: Re: Engine Cleaning Methods
I would warn that one must be equally as careful with chemical cleaning
agents. Products containing caustic materials like sodium hydroxide with a
basic Ph, aka lye, drano and other such materials are extremely aggressive
towards. Eating aluminum parts but may yield some really really clean clean
junk.
I suspect that when using a water based material and you want to add a bit
of abrasive action to your efforts that a Scotchbrite pad with baking soda
will also help as it creates a mild abrasive that is soft enough to not
affect the metals you are working with.
Other articles I have read indicate a combined petro based soak of kerosene
and varsal work pretty well also.
be weary of any of the hydro carbon cleaners Like perchlorethane (perc)
Methylenechloride are about the worst and are on the suspect and confirmed
carcinogen list. 111 trichlorethane (safety solve, brake cleaner and CRC 446
contact cleaner) is in the same chemical category as a chlorinated
hydrocarbon but does not carry the same warning. Many, if not all chlorinated
hydrocarbon materials require the use of respiratory protection and although the
odor makes them smell highly flammable they are not. They are however
known to produce certain side effects when used in confined spaces like
chloroform a old style anesthetic in high airborne concentrations in confined
spaces . When burned may evolve phosgene gas.
Any chemical washing should always be done wearing eye protection (safety
glasses or chem goggles or full face shields), hand protection and
possibly respiratory protection as many of these chemical substances are known
to
pose a skin absorption hazard.
Petroleum product cleaners, avoid neoprene gloves as they will absorb the
material grow and ultimately break down to a point of failure.
When ever possible collect labeling information and a search for the MSDS
before purchasing or before using the chemical as it may be helpful in
making your purchasing decision.
do not mix chemicals you are not fully aware of. combining 2 great cleaners
does not always make one super cleaner. the combining of an ammonia based
product with a chlorine bleach, (Clorox) a sodium hypo chlorate material
will evolve toxic gas, chloroamine, in a confined space can cause death.
My apologies for this dissertation, however chemical errors are like
departure stalls,difficult if not impossible to recover from.
The good news is that any chemical substance can be rendered safe or
harmful depending upon the users knowledge and willingness to follow the basic
rules of chemical safety.
Go forth and clean the sermon is ended.
John
safe in the morning
________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 18, 2009
Subject: Re: Engine Cleaning Methods
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 18, 2009
From: Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Cleaning Methods
Thanks for the information John...I think most people, myself
included, underestimate the long term effects. Probably because even
the glass cleaner your grandma uses has a stern sounding warning label.
Everyone here should take a minute and read this article. This guy
almost died after vaporizing a small amount of brake parts cleaner
with a torch. And it sounds like he is suffering permanent
debilitating effects. Serious stuff. Who here would've hesitated to
vaporize some brake parts cleaner when using a torch? It creates a
lethal gas:
http://myweb.cableone.net/pinkhamr/WeldingWarning.jpg
Now a question...what kind of gloves do you guys use when using these
harsh chemicals? I bought some nitrile gloves thinking they had good
chemical resistance, but they don't do squat when you get these harsh
cleaners on them...might as well not use anything.
Also, keep in mind that the effect of some chemicals is cumulative
over one's lifetime. i.e., just because a chemical you used yesterday
didn't appear to hurt you doesn't mean it is OK to expose yourself to
it regularly. I wear goggles but haven't been able to find gloves
that will keep this stuff off my hands.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
Quoting AMsafetyC(at)aol.com:
> I would warn that one must be equally as careful with chemical cleaning
> agents. Products containing caustic materials like sodium hydroxide with a
> basic Ph, aka lye, drano and other such materials are extremely aggressive
> towards. Eating aluminum parts but may yield some really really clean clean
> junk.
>
> I suspect that when using a water based material and you want to add a bit
> of abrasive action to your efforts that a Scotchbrite pad with baking soda
> will also help as it creates a mild abrasive that is soft enough to not
> affect the metals you are working with.
>
> Other articles I have read indicate a combined petro based soak of kerosene
> and varsal work pretty well also.
>
> be weary of any of the hydro carbon cleaners Like perchlorethane (perc)
> Methylenechloride are about the worst and are on the suspect and confirmed
> carcinogen list. 111 trichlorethane (safety solve, brake cleaner and CRC 446
> contact cleaner) is in the same chemical category as a chlorinated
> hydrocarbon but does not carry the same warning. Many, if not all
> chlorinated
> hydrocarbon materials require the use of respiratory protection and
> although the
> odor makes them smell highly flammable they are not. They are however
> known to produce certain side effects when used in confined spaces like
> chloroform a old style anesthetic in high airborne concentrations
> in confined
> spaces . When burned may evolve phosgene gas.
>
> Any chemical washing should always be done wearing eye protection (safety
> glasses or chem goggles or full face shields), hand protection and
> possibly respiratory protection as many of these chemical substances
> are known to
> pose a skin absorption hazard.
>
> Petroleum product cleaners, avoid neoprene gloves as they will absorb the
> material grow and ultimately break down to a point of failure.
>
> When ever possible collect labeling information and a search for the MSDS
> before purchasing or before using the chemical as it may be helpful in
> making your purchasing decision.
>
> do not mix chemicals you are not fully aware of. combining 2 great cleaners
> does not always make one super cleaner. the combining of an ammonia based
> product with a chlorine bleach, (Clorox) a sodium hypo chlorate material
> will evolve toxic gas, chloroamine, in a confined space can cause death.
>
> My apologies for this dissertation, however chemical errors are like
> departure stalls,difficult if not impossible to recover from.
>
> The good news is that any chemical substance can be rendered safe or
> harmful depending upon the users knowledge and willingness to follow
> the basic
> rules of chemical safety.
>
> Go forth and clean the sermon is ended.
>
> John
>
> safe in the morning
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 18, 2009
Subject: Re: Engine Cleaning Methods
Further more, hearing protection is highly recommended if you're cleaning
airplane parts around the house as your spouse, significant other will be
less than happy and let you know of her dissatisfaction and detrain for the
odors that have assaulted her olfactory nose. All of which can result in an
assault on your ears.
Help protect your hearing , wear hearing protection at home on a regular
basis!
John
________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 18, 2009
Subject: Re: Engine Cleaning Methods
Steve food points, thanks. Glove selections should be made by matching the
substance to the glove material you can go to the Edmont Wilson glove site
and there should be an application chart that will help with the selection
process.
Skin is a semi permeable membrane which allows materials chemicals to bass
through, that means skin absorption is a major route of entry to the body
systems as they pass through the skin the enter the blood stream and are
circulated ultimately cleaned out by the Liver they take up residence there
and do most of the damage in tumors that often are determined to be
malignant. Chronic exposure over time causes subtle changes that you are not aware
of until the damage is done, at which point it is typically too late to
repair or remediate but becomes a task of monitoring and maintenance treatment.
The problem with Livers is ya only got one and you cant live with out it,
the chemical toxin scrubber.
The good news is, there are several good sources for the selection and use
of PPE personal protective equipment and with a little research time you
can contact the respirator company, the glove company and the eye wear
company for access to their sites that all provided recommended usage tables and
information.
Anyone not familiar with the toxic effects of the chemicals they use have a
right, duty and responsibility to learn about them and take the necessary
precautions to protect themmselves.
John
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine Cleaning Methods
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Aug 18, 2009
Thanks guys... now I am thoroughly scared.
Gas welding rig and 28 1/2 wing ribs for sale... cheap!
Jusk kidding... thanks for the information. We could all use a reminder now and
then. A lot of these processes, techniques, skills, compounds, etc. are brand
new to some of us... a little fear might be just what we need to read the labels
or investigate more thoroughly.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Engine Cleaning Methods
Date: Aug 18, 2009
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
John,
Good points about being safe with chemicals. Some of that stuff is
nasty.
I personally can no longer use "crazy glue" (cynoacrylate), since I
developed a reaction to it. The fumes give me serious respiratory
problems. But, for the first twenty or so years of using it in model
building, I had no problems - it was a cumulative sort of thing. Just
hit me one day. Had I made a point of always using protective gear, I
probably wouldn't have developed the reaction.
Just be aware that Scotchbrite pads come in various flavors - some of
which are actually quite abrasive. We use them in the shop to apply a
brushed finish on stainless steel. I think as long as one uses the light
duty, scratch-free pads, they should be okay.
Bill C.
safe at various times throughout the day
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Cleaning Methods
I would warn that one must be equally as careful with chemical cleaning
agents. Products containing caustic materials like sodium hydroxide with
a basic Ph, aka lye, drano and other such materials are extremely
aggressive towards. Eating aluminum parts but may yield some really
really clean clean junk.
I suspect that when using a water based material and you want to add a
bit of abrasive action to your efforts that a Scotchbrite pad with
baking soda will also help as it creates a mild abrasive that is soft
enough to not affect the metals you are working with.
John
safe in the morning
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Subject: Engine Cleaning Methods
Date: Aug 18, 2009
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Steve,
Have you tried this stuff?
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/handinvisible.php
Bill C.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Ruse
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Cleaning Methods
-->
Now a question...what kind of gloves do you guys use when using these
harsh chemicals? I bought some nitrile gloves thinking they had good
chemical resistance, but they don't do squat when you get these harsh
cleaners on them...might as well not use anything.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
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From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <mushface1(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Cleaning Methods
Date: Aug 18, 2009
You can get the white, non abrasive scotchbrite pads at Home Depot in
the rental section. They come in 12 X 18 inches by 3/4" thick for less
than $ 6.00. You can cut to fit.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:32 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Cleaning Methods
John,
Good points about being safe with chemicals. Some of that stuff is
nasty.
I personally can no longer use "crazy glue" (cynoacrylate), since I
developed a reaction to it. The fumes give me serious respiratory
problems. But, for the first twenty or so years of using it in model
building, I had no problems - it was a cumulative sort of thing. Just
hit me one day. Had I made a point of always using protective gear, I
probably wouldn't have developed the reaction.
Just be aware that Scotchbrite pads come in various flavors - some of
which are actually quite abrasive. We use them in the shop to apply a
brushed finish on stainless steel. I think as long as one uses the light
duty, scratch-free pads, they should be okay.
Bill C.
safe at various times throughout the day
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:20 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Cleaning Methods
I would warn that one must be equally as careful with chemical
cleaning agents. Products containing caustic materials like sodium
hydroxide with a basic Ph, aka lye, drano and other such materials are
extremely aggressive towards. Eating aluminum parts but may yield some
really really clean clean junk.
I suspect that when using a water based material and you want to add a
bit of abrasive action to your efforts that a Scotchbrite pad with
baking soda will also help as it creates a mild abrasive that is soft
enough to not affect the metals you are working with.
John
safe in the morning
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Date: Aug 18, 2009
From: Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
Subject: Engine Cleaning Methods
I have not, but I think I'll add some to my next Aircraft Spruce order.
Thanks!
Steve
Quoting Bill Church :
>
>
> Steve,
>
> Have you tried this stuff?
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/handinvisible.php
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
> Ruse
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:51 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Cleaning Methods
>
> -->
>
>
> Now a question...what kind of gloves do you guys use when using these
> harsh chemicals? I bought some nitrile gloves thinking they had good
> chemical resistance, but they don't do squat when you get these harsh
> cleaners on them...might as well not use anything.
>
> Steve Ruse
> Norman, OK
>
>
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Subject: Re: Engine Cleaning Methods
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Aug 18, 2009
I must have overlooked the bit on Scotchbrite... what are the hazards? I use the
maroon (medium) and brown (coarse) regularly.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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Subject: Re: Engine Cleaning Methods
Date: Aug 18, 2009
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Mark,
The only hazard would be that you scratch the metal that you're trying
to clean.
It's not a safety thing.
Bill C.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Cleaning Methods
I must have overlooked the bit on Scotchbrite... what are the hazards?
I use the maroon (medium) and brown (coarse) regularly.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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Date: Aug 18, 2009
Subject: Re: TGWP on Encore
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Well, the family and I sat down last night to watch TGWP and I must say, we
were all entertained. I have a tough time sitting through movies these days,
as I think I have gotten Late Onset ADD or something... Can't just sit there
without my laptop or something else to do, but I did last night watching an
airplane movie!
I think I had seen it before, but don't remember... Some of the scenes
looked familiar. I was surprised at some of the darker sides of the movie as
I had pretty much expected a comedy.
However, once and a while I'd bust up laughing and my family would look at
me funny. I'd have to pause the movie and explain: "That's a line I
recognize from reading the Piet list..."
Fun.
Mark
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Owen Davies wrote:
>
> Darrel Jones wrote:
>
>> OK, I'll say it again. "Only Angels Have Wings" is the best flying movie
>> ever ...
>>
> Hard to argue with that, though I might give "12 O'Clock High" a slight
> edge.
>
> Just so they aren't completely overlooked, "Island in the Sky" and "The
> High and the Mighty" weren't bad. It's tough to go too far wrong with Ernie
> Gann.
>
> Owen
> (lurk mode back on)
>
>
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Subject: Re: Handheld Radio
From: "Aircraft Spruce Info" <info(at)aircraftspruce.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2009
We noticed Gene's posting to the group regarding Aircraft Spruce's advertising
price of $340 on the Vertex VXA-300 radio, and we appreciate him bringing this
to our attention. The $340 was a minimum advertising price allowed by Vertex,
but was incorrect and should be $220. This has now been corrected on our website,
and our actually selling price for this radio is substantially lower. We
apologize for the error in the price that had been advertised for this product.
Aircraft Spruce & Specialty Co.
Customer Service Dept.
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Subject: Re: TGWP on Encore
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Aug 18, 2009
I noticed the same thing a while back Mark... someone said, "don't disconcert the
masses" in one of my posts after I had riled up a bunch of low tech Internet
users (he he), and I really thought he was kind of coming to my defense. You
know, kind of to say... hey, there are a bunch of fuddy duddys here that wouldn't
agree with you on ANYTHING even if you were paying them, so just move along
now... but no... I later found out, after hearing it several more times that
it was just a damn movie line. LOL!
Gotta love it.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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Subject: Re: skid ball
From: "BYD" <byd(at)att.net>
Date: Aug 18, 2009
Here is a simple slip/skid I made for my project. It's a ball-bearing in a plastic
tube filled with baby oil and capped with bolts at each end. May not be
accurate - but I usually just want to confirm that I'm slipping or skidding and
don't care by how much.
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Subject: Re: skid ball
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net>
Date: Aug 18, 2009
BYD
I like those black on white instruments. Very nice!
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
using Lycoming O-235
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 18, 2009
Subject: some suggestions on where to buy avionics, headsets,
radios...etc....
but was incorrect and should be $220. This has
>now been corrected on our website, and our actually selling price for
>this radio is substantially lower. We apologize for the error in the
>price that had been advertised for this product.
>
>Aircraft Spruce & Specialty Co.
>Customer Service Dept.
Another reason I buy all my avionics from Marv Golden. Good prices (and accurate
prices), easy
to deal with and fast service. http://www.marvgolden.com/
Gulfcoast Avionics is good too--I've have excellent experiences purchasing noise
cancelling headsets
from them. http://www.gca.aero/
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Subject: Re: TGWP on Encore
Date: Aug 18, 2009
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Flyboys - Now THERE's a crappy movie (If you like real airplanes, as
opposed to computer generated images of airplanes)
What a disappointment that was.
Especially after all the hype that preceded it's release.
BC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
mksoucy(at)yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TGWP on Encore
-->
I hate to add to this but as great as Tgwp is nobody has mentioned
Flyboys
Mike
Sent from my iPod
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Subject: Re: TGWP on Encore
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2009
Wow, I kinda liked Flyboys. In fact, I thought it was really great! Probably
my favorite flying movie. Although there were many computer generated scenes,
there were many actual flying scenes too. Maybe Andrew King can chime in here
and say something about some of those scenes, since he flew many of them.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: TGWP on Encore
Date: Aug 18, 2009
Mr. Brown, anybody can supply accuracy. Artists supply truth.
Signed,
-The Mediocre Johnny Salt-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Aug 18, 2009, at 2:50 PM, Don Emch wrote:
>
> Wow, I kinda liked Flyboys. In fact, I thought it was really
> great! Probably my favorite flying movie. Although there were many
> computer generated scenes, there were many actual flying scenes
> too. Maybe Andrew King can chime in here and say something about
> some of those scenes, since he flew many of them.
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258496#258496
>
>
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Subject: Re: Barnstormers
From: "Baldeagle" <baldeagle27(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Aug 18, 2009
"My wife is not that supportive of my project (my fault for starting the kitchen
remodel before the Piet), but even she liked Barnstormers! Guess if I start
getting cold cereal for dinner Ill get back to the kitchen. "
Glad to be of help-- I sent a link to this to the producers, they'll get a kick
out of it-
-
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Subject: Re: TGWP on Encore
Date: Aug 18, 2009
From: "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
Well Don,
I think the thing that bugged me most was that I read about the movie
for a while before it came out, and one of the things that I remember
was a comment that although some of the flying scenes were CGI, the
viewer wouldn't even be able to tell, because they were so well done.
When I finally got to watch it, I thought the dogfight scenes were
cartoonish, and not realistic feeling. The planes moved around way too
fast, and there were way too many aircraft in a small space. I did enjoy
all of the "real" flying scenes, though. After reading about the
Nieuport replicas that magically got built in less than two months for
use in the movie, I was really looking forward to seeing the finished
product. I have a feeling that a lot of actual flying footage got
dumped, and replaced with the computer generated stuff because the
general (non-aircraft oriented) public would find it more exciting.
But what do I know about cinema - I actually like Mike Cuy's video.
Bill C.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 3:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TGWP on Encore
Wow, I kinda liked Flyboys. In fact, I thought it was really great!
Probably my favorite flying movie. Although there were many computer
generated scenes, there were many actual flying scenes too. Maybe
Andrew King can chime in here and say something about some of those
scenes, since he flew many of them.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: skid ball
Date: Aug 18, 2009
BYD (?),
I like that! Just where does one find one ball bearing? Last night I broke
open a spray can (cfc's flying everywhere...global warming an imminent
result), to find that the 'rattle' is marble that's too big.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BYD
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:28 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: skid ball
Here is a simple slip/skid I made for my project. It's a ball-bearing in a
plastic tube filled with baby oil and capped with bolts at each end. May
not be accurate - but I usually just want to confirm that I'm slipping or
skidding and don't care by how much.
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Subject: Dom Emch
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Aug 18, 2009
Don:
I've looked for a direct address for you, or some way I could contact you personally,
but I'm unable to find anything. Anyhow, I just want to say thank you
for taking my son (Tyler) for a ride at Brodhead. He is still telling people
about that, and I know he will remember it forever. We had a super time up there
and are already looking forward to next year. My wife (Theresa) and son were
both lucky enough to get rides (thanks Bill Rewey and Jim Markle for coordinating)...
I would like to thank Bill again personally, but I don't think he
is on the boards and I don't know how to contact him either. I know that those
rides definitely made a difference in my family's overall interest in my project.
Oh, they were both already pretty involved in the whole thing, but the
Brodhead trip and the rides were very exciting for both of them.
I posted a couple of video clips after Brodhead, which you may have already watched,
but I'll post them here again anyway. Your flight is in the second clip
I believe, but you will probably enjoy both.
Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohdPTXboIXM
Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOoEoHSt8tg
Several days after Brodhead, Bill Church forwarded me a photo that we just love.
He said that he wasn't sure who the kid was until he watched my videos. I'm
so glad he did... it is a great shot that will be framed in my hangar soon (see
below). Thanks Bill... and thanks to all of you who showed us that magic
of Brodhead and the Pietenpol community.
--------
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Subject: Re: Dom Emch
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2009
Wow! What an awesome shot! I love it! That is what flying the Pietenpol is all
about! Thanks Bill!
How about this. I talked to your son before the flight about things he could and
couldn't do. I didn't want him to get scared so I told him to just sit straight
in the seat and told him what not to touch. I figured he would be like
many other kids I've given rides to where they just kind of sit straight and are
obviously nervous. As soon as we broke ground his arms went out flailing around
and they never came back in until we were on the ground. I could actually
hear him up there yelling for much of the flight! Pointing at other airplanes,
pointing at stuff on the ground. He was obviously pretty excited. That
made the flight much more fun for me! When we got back to Mom, she said, "Did
you sit straight and sit still?" He said, "Yup." I love kids!
My cell # is (330) 429-5265
If there is anything I can help with let me know.
Don Emch
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From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net>
Subject: Re: Handheld Radio
Date: Aug 18, 2009
Now that is what I call customer support! I would like to point out that
this is not the first time ACS has responded to our comments here. I'm
impressed.
Thank you
Gene in Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: "Aircraft Spruce Info" <info(at)aircraftspruce.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Handheld Radio
>
>
> We noticed Gene's posting to the group regarding Aircraft Spruce's
> advertising price of $340 on the Vertex VXA-300 radio, and we appreciate
> him bringing this to our attention. The $340 was a minimum advertising
> price allowed by Vertex, but was incorrect and should be $220. This has
> now been corrected on our website, and our actually selling price for this
> radio is substantially lower. We apologize for the error in the price that
> had been advertised for this product.
>
> Aircraft Spruce & Specialty Co.
> Customer Service Dept.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258457#258457
>
>
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From: Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Subject: Re: TGWP on Encore
Date: Aug 18, 2009
$100 a pop? Worth every penny.
I think wife paid $40 for my copy on eBay about four years ago.
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
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Subject: Re: Dom Emch
From: "TulsaFlyer" <gbloud1(at)netzero.net>
Date: Aug 18, 2009
What a perfect shot of the future test pilot for the prototype of the F-22 replacement.
[Wink]
Jody
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Subject: Re: skid ball
From: "skellytown flyer" <rhano(at)att.net>
Date: Aug 18, 2009
well I e-mailed LEAF and they still have them but the correct price is 46.50 plus
shipping if you're interested. I'm not-guess it's home made for me. as far
as finding ball bearings almost any automotive machine shop or repair shop probably
has a collection of old bearings they have replaced.Raymond
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Date: Aug 18, 2009
Subject: Re: Dom Emch
From: Lloyd Smith <lesmith240(at)gmail.com>
Mark, I hope you don't mind me jumping on the Brodhead "brass" bandwagon.
This year was my first visit to Brodhead and after leaving there and driving
up to Oshkosh, I felt Oshkosh was sort of , well, flat. And since returning
home, I find I immediately filter the email each day to bring up the Piet
stuff first.
I had built the rib jig and ripped some clear pine to make a "wallhanger"
rib for practice but never glued it up.
While at Oshkosh I ordered my t-88 from Wicks and was planning on coming
back through Madison to stop at the lumber yard for spruce, but I couldn't
remember the name of the company and Mr. Rewey's plane wasn't around the
affordable flying exhibit by then, so I just came home. It's amazing how
immersion in a subject like a weekend at Brodhead sort of brings things into
focus.
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:24 PM, K5YAC wrote:
>
>
> Several days after Brodhead, Bill Church forwarded me a photo that we just
> love. He said that he wasn't sure who the kid was until he watched my
> videos. I'm so glad he did... it is a great shot that will be framed in my
> hangar soon (see below). Thanks Bill... and thanks to all of you who showed
> us that magic of Brodhead and the Pietenpol community.
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258524#258524
>
>
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>
>
> --
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British
publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954)
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From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net>
Subject: Re: skid ball
Date: Aug 18, 2009
Transmission shops have just the right size ball bearings.
----- Original Message -----
From: "skellytown flyer" <rhano(at)att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: skid ball
>
> well I e-mailed LEAF and they still have them but the correct price is
> 46.50 plus shipping if you're interested. I'm not-guess it's home made for
> me. as far as finding ball bearings almost any automotive machine shop or
> repair shop probably has a collection of old bearings they have
> replaced.Raymond
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258565#258565
>
>
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 18, 2009
Subject: judging videos/films
But what do I know about cinema - I actually like Mike Cuy's video.
Bill C.
Good Lord, I've always had such respect for Bill Church 0)ntil I read this above:)
Kidding Bill and thank you.
I guess I'm all about real scenes in any airplane related footage-- that's why
I like "Barnstorming" so well
and things like PBS specials on aviation. (History Channel, things like that
of course too)
What I really enjoyed were all the videos you guys so generously took and then
posted on YouTube---very cool.
I think my Mother has made those "number of view" counts go up tremendously if
I tell her I'm in the scene:)
Mike C.
(do OSH and BHD go by fast or what ?0)
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Subject: Re: judging videos/films
From: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 19, 2009
The good news is there are only 11 months till we get to do it again!
I got most all my plans made
John
------Original Message------
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: Aug 18, 2009 9:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: judging videos/films
But what do I know about cinema - I actually like Mike Cuy's video.
Bill C.
Good Lord, I've always had such respect for Bill Church 0)ntil I read this above:)
Kidding Bill and thank you.
I guess I'm all about real scenes in any airplane related footage-- that's why
I like "Barnstorming" so well
and things like PBS specials on aviation. (History Channel, things like that
of course too)
What I really enjoyed were all the videos you guys so generously took and then
posted on YouTube---very cool.
I think my Mother has made those "number of view" counts go up tremendously if
I tell her I'm in the scene:)
Mike C.
(do OSH and BHD go by fast or what ?0)
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From: Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Subject: Re: Movies / RFD
Date: Aug 18, 2009
Another great movie.
If you don't know about Rockford, or the early years of EAA, get a
copy of Duane Cole's "This is EAA". It's fun reading for people like
us.
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
>
> What you guys should try watching is Those Magnificent Men in Their
> Flying Machines instead. The aircraft are much closer in spirit to
> the Piet and the flying is all real. They used to show this movie
> for free in the campground at night during the Rockford flyin. I got
> to see it about six times. For those of you who don't remember
> Rockford that was before Oshkosh, the prices were reasonable, the
> people friendly and the airplanes were not plastic. Also they didn't
> charge extra for every little thing. There was even a Pietenpol
> there with two Continental 65 engines in the nose driving counter
> rotating props.
>
> Mike McGowan shadetree(at)socket.net
> building rib jig long fuselage Model A
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Date: Aug 18, 2009
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Pieti Lowell speaks!
Links are to the seminar where Pieti Lowell (Frank) chats about his
experiments with Pietenpols. Included are discussions of the Riblett
airoils, fuel injection of a Ford Model B engine, and other
performance tweaks. Video in five parts. Note that I missed about the
first minute - sorry! - plus, the flies were terrible, so you'll see
the video bounce around a lot as I finally lose it a couple of times
and swat at them.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unvGPeYrc3o>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unvGPeYrc3o
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHHnzw1V5FY>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHHnzw1V5FY
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYJ1QchJCeM>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYJ1QchJCeM
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLTDTEyhpGE>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLTDTEyhpGE
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNJI19K3POU>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNJI19K3POU
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: judging videos/films
Date: Aug 18, 2009
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: judging videos/films
Aerospace Corporation]"
But what do I know about cinema - I actually like Mike Cuy's video.
Bill C.
Good Lord, I've always had such respect for Bill Church 0)ntil I read this
above:) Kidding Bill and thank you.
I guess I'm all about real scenes in any airplane related footage-- that's
why I like "Barnstorming" so well
and things like PBS specials on aviation. (History Channel, things like
that of course too)
What I really enjoyed were all the videos you guys so generously took and
then posted on YouTube---very cool.
I think my Mother has made those "number of view" counts go up tremendously
if I tell her I'm in the scene:)
Mike C.
(do OSH and BHD go by fast or what ?0)
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Subject: Re: skid ball
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net>
Date: Aug 18, 2009
WOO HOO That set my hair. I 'm gonna try my hand at glass bending too. They have
made a change on their website.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258593#258593
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From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 18, 2009
Subject: Re: Pieti Lowell speaks!
Jeff
Thanks I really appreciate your recording that talk. I wish I had sat in on
that.
Thanks again
John
In a message dated 8/18/2009 9:43:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,